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Episode 58: Stronger Marketing with Data

Confessions of a Marketer

24:15 min | 1 year ago

Episode 58: Stronger Marketing with Data

"Episode fifty eight of confessions of a marketer, recreating stronger marketing with data. Hi, it's Mark eat Edwards. Welcome back to confessions of a marketer. I've got Chris Clegg of court my into chat on creating stronger marketing with data. We'll have that chat in just a moment. Next time. We'll have Eric Smallwood of apex marketing group into chat about the marketing. Value of Tiger Woods winning the masters and soon teasha Miller of crossing. We'll be into talk about the intersection of technology and marketing, then Avia will be back here to share his language. Manifesto? Corinne, Conroy will join us to talk about whole brain marketing and Josh Martin will be backed digging a bit more into product marketing. Lots more in store, so stay with us wanna invite you to have a listen to my other. Venture the innovation podcast the ipod with guard at Harriman, lots of fun stuff happening their head over to the innovation podcast dot CO two. Tune in. Okay onto Chris Clegg. Chris. President and research director of fort MMA, which is short for Portland marketing, analytics firm, works with some of the world's biggest brands on using data to drive communication strategies and make better marketing decisions Chris posted on Lincoln awhile back about how to create stronger marketing with data and that caught my attention. So I got him into come on the show to share his ideas with you. It was a fun Chen. So let's get to. Chris. Welcome to confessions of a marketer. Thanks for having me. Well, we had you on as one of the first guests on my other podcast with garnet Haruman the innovation podcast. And when I saw some of the posts of yours on Lincoln recently. I knew I had to have you on here on confessions of a marketer. That's so good to hear. I've been told I need to be more social cell. That's validating. It's great having you here those posts were about data and experiential marketing, and they intrigued me you said that ad agencies. And experiential marketers ask you this question pretty frequently. How do we use the data? We collect generate insights. So what do you tell them? That's a great question. Your insights are relative does the first thing to keep in mind is is someone will find data to be inciteful when it solves a problem for them. And and in business problems relate to the decisions we have to make as managers, and so if if I'm having to make decision in a void of information that's going to producing Zayed's, and that's gonna that's gonna be a problem. If data can provide me information that helped me make a better decision. I will I will label that data as being insightful. And so it's very relative. It has to do with who you're talking to. And when you're talking to people that are on the finance side has to. Do with dollars and cents return on investment. When you're talking to people that are on about logistics, and the like, and they're more interested in catering and and event sign ups in the lake so it really depends on where they're at in the middle. You tend to have people that are that are all about education. And does this does this activity solve the problem that we were we set out to solve and so they care about education internalisation of information. Those thing matter more, and what she get that out of the way that it really becomes a matter of organizing the information that you have into cause and effect buckets. And it's so important to think that way, and it's all the way any days data. Scientists is gonna think they're gonna look at you know, what are the things that exist that define an activity or an occurrence event. And then what are the things that define outcomes from that? And let me look to see how do I line those things up Causley? How do I know that when I do more of this more of that is likely to happen? And 'cause -ality is tricky causality is is a lot of fun to. It's it's about as academe IX three things that we we need to have in place to cause two things too. Because we need to have the the cause to happen before the effect. We call it temporal order in. So the thing that's creating the change needs to happen before the change in. And then we need to make sure that they move in in ways together that are more often than would otherwise be due to chance. And so if this happens than that happens, and that pattern is frequent enough that it's something other than chance. And the third thing is you've gotta be able to have a theory that justifies it they call it face validity in the textbooks. But you've gotta have a reason why it makes sense that this would cause that there's a great story in Chicago in the seventies. Where there was a social scientists that did research on the link between auto theft and cream consumption and everything led to that being. A very clear causal relationship and the more often that there were auto thefts. The more ice cream was being eaten and the trick in. There was that. There was no logical theory, and the chicken the problem that allowed that relationship to happen was that there was these intervening variable there is something happening in the middle. That was allowing those two things to be related and it had to do with whether it had to do with heat. And when there was more when it was a hotter day, people were more likely to leave their windows down in their car, which made it more minute easier for car thieves to steal the car and also people are eating ice cream on a hot summer day. So is that intervening variable because there was no theory. There's no face validity between the relationship there needed to be something else that was causing it. And it turned out to be the weather as data scientists call that spiritedness we call that relationship to be dependent on something else. But those three things are what matters when you've got you got causing affect is legitimate, and it's your data's organized in that context in. You're doing that in an area that is relevant for the person. You're trying to create insights for then all comes together that works very well friend of mine loves saying correlation does not imply causation it does not benefit. Did it just because it's sunny at three six pm on Tuesday doesn't mean that that is causing it. Absolutely. So you say the data can become insight when it helps decision makers create stronger marketing, how can marketers get to that point? And it feels like that's point is almost nirvana. Well, yeah, it is. But it's also it's also the reason marketing works when it works. And and so my approach has always leaned on the marketing theories of message market match. And I think that's so critical when I when I work with advertising agencies, and and marketers who really understand that. I see beautiful marketing. Out of it. That has amazing performance metrics associated with it. And it always starts with who are the people that have the values and beliefs they have the problems, and they have the need that align with whatever the product or services that's being marketed. And when you know who those people are, and what the nature of the problem is in where the barrier has been that has kept them from solving that problem before you can put together messaging for those people that highlights the unique value proposition of the service or product that your marketing, so they can see how it aligns with their lifestyle that the people that by this product are a part of their tribe that it's the very viable solution for them, and they will therefore act in. And there's this cycle of purchase that on the most simple level is this idea of need awareness trial in purchase and people are somewhere in that cycle. And if they're not buying it's because they're stuck somewhere in there. And simply good marketing Unst. Fix them it. So you need to be able to understand who they are. And then how to help them work through that process. If that's going to be appropriate for that that's going to help be relevant for them. And you know, marketing that is solid marketing that is good is going to be extremely relevant because it's talking to the right kinds of people. And when they're in the early stages of the process, the marketing is going to be very education based when they're in the later stages of the purchase process with their stock. The marketing is going to be more behavioral based coupons or or execution round usage scenarios things that are going to help them get over the behavioral issues, and when that's all in alignment things flow, and it kind of boils down to this example of junk mail, and we all hate junk mail. We hate the the physical catalogs that come into our mailbox and Philip recycling bins, but you know, unless that furniture catalogue that you that you get in the mail when right about the time, you're looking for a new couch, if it's highly relevant than it seen as being very valuable and all. All of marketing is like that. It's about targeting people with a message that aligns with what they care about. And then offering up a solution in that context. And when you do that it works it works, really? Well, when you're and what is not working. It's because you're bleeding somewhere in that process. You're you're getting to the wrong people too frequently we are not on message or you're not giving the face and they need to help the move through the purchase Eichel. And so it's it's a matter of deconstructing that and using that to understand why certain things work better than others, and or design your strategy out of the gate with those types of approaches in mind, I have a much bigger problem with direct mail that I get at home that sits on my front table. You know, it's just it's just inundates you, right? And you do wonder I'm in the business, and I wonder what is the logic for some of these marketers to send out the volume of material they send out. It's unreal. Yeah. I think a lot of it is laziness, I think they're I mean there is there may be snare ios where the spray and pray is still relevant. But there's so much of at our fingertips to target people with the right kind of information of mission that's going to be relevant for them that it's almost it's almost an excusable when you get stuff. That's so far irrelevant. You don't care about it. And it's sad because it wastes money and really puts a bad spin on what marketing can be all about. Yeah. And I understand a car dealer that I bought a car from three years ago five years ago, putting me on a tickle list and sending me mail that make sense short. But so much of it just isn't isn't even relevant. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway on a list somewhere. Right. That's then an unto. So so tell me in your writing you write about two types of brand marketing decision makers, tell me about those. That's that's pretty that goes back to what we were saying earlier about who's gonna find what insightful and why and. Yeah. So we do a lot of work in valuating, the performance of experiential marketing, and the are liable events, and and what I've found over the years is that on the brand side there tend to be more often than not two types of people that were delivering information to and understanding who which when I'm working with is going to directly impact. How valuable the information? I provide them is. And you have people that move up through an organization in come into a place of brand management because they've moved up through the media side of the business, and they've been buying media working with media or creating media and for them their life has always been about impression. It's about how many people did are each. What was the CPM, and what am I gross rating points, and is that hitting my targets for awareness? And so for those people if I'm not talking about awareness of I'm not talking about impressions of talking about the value of those impressions in the comps associated with them that I'm missing the boat, and when I focused too much on customer conversion or focus too much on future purchase intention or behavioral changes it seen as important. That's literally what the businesses about. But it's not relevant for them. And how they think about the way they're managing the brands and on the other side of the house. I could just as likely be reporting to a stakeholder who has come up through the sales side of the business. Maybe they worked in the channels. They could have been out distribution chain. They may have been directly in sales. But for them they landed into a brand marketing role coming through that experience and for them. If I if I open up talking about the value of impressions or CPM's that's not how they. That's not the way the businesses for them for them. The reality of businesses success is the movement of skews, and how many pallets did we sell right? How many new people we have walking onto the lot. What's the traffic in the store? Those kind of things with things that matter. And so I need to make sure that I've got answers to that as well. And so when we're thinking about the process of collecting data and reporting on that data and the analysis that we do on that information, we need to be thinking about those to stakeholders and make sure that we are providing both types of very legitimate perspectives on how you manage a brand. But both types of people are going to be able to get the information. They need to understand where this particular type of marketing and many cases experiential fits within the marketing mix and fits within the larger scheme of things are working with and that, and I find it very valuable to be able to make those stink shins and in our notes early on when we have a new relationship with somebody to kind of get a feel for that. And understand where they're coming from. Because it helps me understand and the team here port monitor stand. What? They're gonna find helpful and actionable because it is relative. It's very relative one thing. You know, people think that data that's generated safe from campaign is the end, right? And really it's kind of the beginning because we're inundated with data. Now, I think back to the early years of working in the web twenty twenty five years ago. And there was maybe one guy in the marketing group and manage the website, the webmaster and he'd have a connection to web trends. And yeah, you know, he'd he'd be able to show you a report every week. I will now everybody goes into Google analytics combs through the data. Yeah. But how do we how do we ensure that those mountains of data are being used effectively? Well, I think it's at the end of the day to be honest with yourself and and ask yourself. What did I do with this information to be smarter? A better at my job. Yeah. And if you can't answer that then it's not affect. And it doesn't matter how good or bad the data is intrinsically or whether it fits with a strategy that that is smart if you're not able to personally use it to make better decisions in what you're responsible for that is not affective. And so a lot of our work is as much education as it is getting good data analyzing correctly. It's helping people understand how do you use this to be smarter to make more money to reach the ends in the goals that you've been tasked with reaching. And that starts oftentimes with doing the mental work in the planning before any data's available. You really want to understand why you're collecting something, and what you're gonna do with it before you start spending money on collecting it because otherwise you get into this trap of being stuck with this volume of information. And no idea what it's good for. And what happens is if that process is not done where you're trying to figure out. What are the metrics that matter and why if that's not done early on the method that people tend to follow his they just figure let? Collect everything. But make sure we have all possible metrics, we can imagine. And then when the time comes I'll look back at it. And I'll find out where the meaning is where the value is. And we'd through it all and oftentimes that's the most expensive most time, consuming and least productive approach to any kind of project that involves data and so good team. A good process is going to be one that starts with the end in mine starts with thinking through why you're doing this. And what you're gonna do with it. And and then puts the process the dashboard the collection the tasks in order to make sure that you're getting data that you know, what you're gonna do with right for your before. You're stuck with it. And one of the things I love about following you on linked in and Twitter is the at the beginning of each week. And maybe at the end of each week, you kind of say, hey, here's what we're working on. So is there anything really cool that you're working on right now that you'd like to share their so much stuff that I get excited about. So this week there's a product that the client is kind of the flagship of the industry. So I won't mentioned too much about the product. But the categories a food product. And there's one city in the country that under indexes for this product more than anybody else before eating less of this in anywhere else in the country. And so they're going in there for six events to try and turn that around. And that's going to be fascinating. As it's always fun when you're working from the bottom up, and you can start to figure out, you know, why that is we also recently got engaged with a musical act that is touring the country, they're filling smaller venues, and there's a company that's coming in as a strong sponsor. And I'm always I always love researching the halo effect. So how does Vandam crossover into appreciation for what a brand has to offer? And so that's exciting. And that data just started coming in. And it's really interesting because it's the initial results are showing similarities to what we we see in the industry elsewhere that has nothing to do with music. And so whether it's a trend for the category. Whether it say, it's really gonna vary by event, we'll see because we've got a twenty four more concerts to go before we. We we start really diving in sled. Stuff's exciting. That's really fun for a long time. We've been using the approach that I've talked about here for about ten years. Now, we've done it for quickly approaching two hundred brands, and well, and we are organizing that data into benchmarking database that we have leaned on for quite a while. But you know, some of the current theories around AI and data lakes and data warehousing. We're starting to modernize the way we approach that internally. And I'm really excited about the insights and trends that are going to be more readily at our fingertips, so we can speak to that not only continue to do the work that we do in kind of the brand microcosm, but be able to at a higher level and more efficiently bringing insights from across campaigns across brands and across different types of consumer segments to see how they act in a similar way. So it does a millennial family do they act the same way when when talking about financial items as they do when they talk about ready to serve meals, they responding in the same way or how. Those categories differ. Right. I think I know that data's sitting at our fingertips matter making accessible, and we've been in a process for a few months now that I'm excited to bear the fruit from so it's so there's yeah, there's all kinds of things that are happening the industry's just getting smarter. The people marketers are getting smarter marketers understanding data and how to use it and had to apply technology to be relevant. And so stuff is getting cooler marketing, getting more awesome. It's enriching the experiences that we have at a higher level. And it's just exciting to see it be a part of it that you know, that experience that you're you're kind of gathering in your database gets richer with each interaction you have with the client and with event the track. And yeah that must as you look back on ten years of this. It must just kinda give you a shiver in a way because it that's so exciting to build that kind of knowledge base. It is it wasn't. We were talking about just the other day is so the the database. Is is hundreds of thousands of records and hundreds of thousands of consumer interviews. And and we've been talking about millennials so long they've gotten older, and so we're going back to say, well what who's definition of millennial ten years ago. And then what's that same person? Like now that same age group like now and are they acting differently and right? And so that long jetty is allowed us to start to track kind of these variations and consumer demographics. That are exciting for somebody who kind of lives in that that social world of of social behavior, and and how we engage brands and ways to make our life, more fun and exciting. It's fascinating to see your things changing or things the same. We're looking to talk more about that. So stay tuned. And I would imagine, you know, millennials were kind of cast in one way ten fifteen years ago, and they're growing up in their their tastes changing. So they're not it's not something that's fixed right out. Absolutely. Absolutely. And on the other side. I think about those that are in the sixty plus category. Those in the. Their fifties. And the like, and are those groups changing as we as we see the generation X grow older and the the greatest generation get more exposed to the world of marketing and technology as it's been more accessible are remedial in the middle somewhere. We sticking by our ways, it's it's always interesting as fascinating one of the greatest tweets out there as Carl Reiner ninety seven. So he's he's cotton onto social media big way. Absolutely. Absolutely. Great, sir. There any trends for the rest of twenty nineteen and beyond that you're tracking. You know? It's a great question. And I am so engrossed in the cut of the day to day things that happen. It's hard for us to kind of take a big step in and spot. The trends there's stuff happening with technology in the way of vents are managed in the way that impacts marketing. That's that so intense. There's there are things that I'm 'cause when we when we're when someone buys a ticket to a show they typically are buying two four tickets. I mean, they're buying. They're buying multiple tickets to give to their friends or to have with their family as a marketer with that sale. All I know about is the person that bought the four tickets, I don't know about the other three and just as an example there. There was some work that I was listening to and looking at that is using blockchain technology to better understand that transfer of. Tickets and who the person is that's actually tending the show versus who was the one that made the purchase. And it's it's changing all kinds of things about the way. We think about stuff about what we've how we've leaned on data with lots of known problems with the data but had to accept that. There was no way to get better information. It was the best thing we could have and the way that's being solved with technology. And with the most cutting edge tools. It's it's fascinating. And so the stuff that we had to work so hard to be good at and to get that predictive power out of that's becoming more accessible, and therefore it's being used in a wider array of things, and that's kinda making stuff better. And so we go back to that discussion around the junk mail, and how piles up because people are being lazy that's becoming less acceptable. Because it's easier to do that segment. It's easier to diagnose who is gonna find what valuable and not waste your time or my money to get that wrong anymore. And as all the stuff becomes. More accessible and easier, and it's gonna make things better. And that's yeah. We just we sit back and watch that we see that in lots of little areas all the time. And it's it just seems to keep surprising us and getting getting cooler, lots of fun stuff happening. Let's check back in again, maybe in six months or so and see what's going on. Because this is a fast changing area. I really appreciate you. Joining me, Chris it was a fun chat. Absolutely. It's a pleasure anytime. Chris being here. Next time, the marketing value of Tiger Woods winning the masters with Eric Smallwood. This episode of confessions of market was written produced and edited by yours. Truly t Jordan of A-Class productions wrote the theme music inventions of a marketer is a trademark of read Edwards. Guba? Lincoln. This episode is copyright and twenty nineteen. I'm Margaret Edwards. Cenex time.

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Part 4: Gospel Roots of Rock and Soul

World Cafe

18:22 min | 1 year ago

Part 4: Gospel Roots of Rock and Soul

"Support for NPR and the following message come from Amazon prime video with Llerena the new docu series that shares Lorena Bobbitt side of the story and investigates the headlines and press coverage twenty five years later lorraina now streaming on Amazon prime video pay its world. Cafe I'm Talia Slinger Saturday night and Sunday morning. The gospel roots of rock and soul is a six episode audio documentary we continue to explore right now, we are looking at the history and influence of gospel music on early rock and roll soul. And in be the documentary was produced by our colleagues at W X P N where we make world cafe it is hosted by Grammy award winning gospel singer, CeCe Winans. Okay. Here's episode four. Enjoy. You're listening to Saturday night and Sunday morning. The gospel roots of rock and soul. I'm CeCe Winans. Thomas Dorsey, infusing sanctified music with the blues. Sam Cooke milking is heavenly sex appeal to attract wide audiences sister, Rosetta Tharp, elevating her divine voice to stadium crowds in the United States and beyond from its origins. Gospel music has reflected sacred and secular culture, tradition and constant change. It does change because life changes culture changes. So you can expect the music the status same, Louisiana state music scholar. Joyce jackson. So it changes with the aspects of life. That changes very dynamic by the nineteen sixties gospel music had established a foothold in the American mainstream nearly five million African Americans had left the south since the beginning of the twentieth. Century day fled the Tara and tedium of the. Jim crow south to establish new lives and communities across the country. So Aren be and rock and roll all of which borrowed their musical gestures and personnel. From the gospel world were selling out auditory and dominating the radio waves, the passage of the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four promised a freer equitable society, a society that had seen impossible to many just a generation before. But the realities of persistent institutional discrimination and ongoing wars in southeast Asia soil that dream these realities also produce a counter culture movement across America gospel music, was ripe for a big new moment where it happened because I feel it was time to happen. Especially with the situation of the world today. Albums. This is Gus spool composer Edwin Hawkins in a nineteen sixty nine interview. They don't go to church and especially our youth with young people such as our group. We can show them that God get Liz. And instead of us trying to take the gospel to them maybe by preaching to them. Take it to them in song, maybe in with contemporary sounds new beat new rhythms and something they can understand something they can feel and express themselves in. The Edwin Hawkins singers number three from the survey doing their thing all over the fifty oh happy day. Oh, yes. First time. I heard happy day was coming home from a club record producer and songwriter. Boo. Mitchell the son of the late great Willie Mitchell who produce many of algorithms hits five in the morning in this song comes on. And it just freaks me out completely like, you know, I'm sewn on the way, I've never heard anything. This is close to heaven. Anything I've ever, and I'm like my dad, and my, you know, it's foggy and stuff. I was like I think I'm still alive with this. You know it. I don't know. I never heard it. From Duffy Marsan. Someone told me that at Winston for me. And at one told them tell dot to come because I will hurt to be in this choir chess. I know she can sing she's from the family. Call Colmes family. In the San Francisco Bay area three families dominated the gospel scene at the time, the Hawkins sly in the family stone. And the combs Dorothy combs told us Edwin had been scouting her for years. He said, I got this perfect song for you. And I said, oh, you do what's it called? And he said it's called oh happy day. And he pulled it. He said Walter give me that give me that old him book. And he got the hymn book together. It was written in eighteen something and in the regional, oh happy day goes oh, happy day, Anna. Oh, happy day. Dan, Atta when Jesus was and my sins away. Okay. Again, Joyce Jackson of Louisiana state university. Although everybody thought it was a new song. It was really a different arrangement from an old him. It really was like the transitional piece going from traditional gospel to contemporary gospel. He said, but I want to change it to that. And the downtown the downtown. Donald Dumpson, scholar and minister of music at arch street Presbyterian church in Philadelphia part of the gift of Edwin was that he felt called to bring that song fourth. It was the music the sound of that era that carried it through that made it approachable to the majority community Dorothy combs at put good God in there. And I got that from James Brown where I said, oh, good. Sometimes. This james. So our pull in some of the nightclub stuff when I did or happy day. So the next thing didn't frighten me, but we were we were tip come, you know, likely because we know the ladies on the on the front row in the white. You know, they might roll their eyes at us. They might, you know, say enough of this, you know, that kind of stuff you young people, you know. And of course, they had been using instruments in churches in choirs before. But in other things being used think, they even news, the sizing, and it was like everything goes now in in our home that was exposed to all this kind of music. Edwin Hawkins in a twenty twelve interview. I heard everything growing up my art cheese this to pop music, period, coamo, necking, code all those people the man Ludi. And the song gun. So we heard all kinds of music, including those which happened to be our favorite when I was time for me to start to rearrange in create. I was hearing these different harmonies from this different climate different genres of music there developed the sound of it. When hawkins. Hawkins. And there was a young man that was the worked at a warehouse with wreckage were being distributed from and he happened to play the album and played to know happy dates at the to friend of his that was underground rock DJ in San Francisco, and that's where the sun happy day hit. I again, Dorothy combs. So he called in all of his other disc jockey, friends and had them to come to his wherever he was in San Francisco, and they listened to old happy day. It was in the hippy days. So everybody kinda went on. And got you got stone. Got whatever you go to do and everybody brought pillows, and they were lying around on the floor. He explain this to me tell me, and I was like what? And he said when I played that song after it was over. Everybody was lying. Wow, all of these discharges. So they all got back to their radio stations. Start pushing the push in the song. And so the song stop playing every hour on the hour. Oh, happy day and people will call it me and said dot I heard your song. I heard hurt your singing. And I'm like, no you didn't. And then for I can finish. I'm hearing it myself, and oh my God. Happy. Like, oh, that's nice. You know? But at that time, it makes you kind of bouncing neck bop, your neck, you know, kind of get with the groove type of thing, and that was forbidden in the church you kind of on the line of being the center the age old story haunted it when Hawkins gospel recording artists. Richard Smallwood told us how he studied. Oh happy day with his Howard University classmate. Donny Hathaway, we went downtown brought the record and took it up to Howard music library input on the earphones. And listen to it over and over and the imaginative arrangements that Edwin had come up with the just you just didn't hear that in the church, and even though you know, Donna, and I discussed it in the practice room. You did not hear it at eleven o'clock on Sunday mornings in the church. Just did not end to see people actually dancing to the music. Sacred tans, but during the secular dances to music again. Joyce Jackson when you see dancing in church, you know, is like individual dances. And you know, you're you're having the spirit or choirs a swing, and and this is one that the status of the music. So it wasn't that. It was so odd that these things never happened before. But the main thing was the fact that he was going out to a wider audience, you know, and some people in the black community really didn't like that. You know, they really ostracize and when Hawkins and his group for doing that. Please welcome. Edwin hawkins. Here's wouldn't Hawkins with gospel recording artist Erica Campbell on TV in twenty twelve. Lot of criticism from the church for civil we raised in grand church of God in Christ. Yeah. Me too. And at very very very strict rules about everything everything. We pretty okay until we start to do the music that was a different from what they were used to hearing court changes vase. We we say gossip, but it was that the church. So while we do enough coming to church testifying to each other. You know, I'm saying sanctified who you telling somebody saves by the arena, those Jesus Christ don't know him in that what you taught us to do. So we got to reevaluate in. Chuck about motives and all that why we're doing what we're doing Richard Smallwood recalled for us the personal toll of this criticism on the Hawkins family. But I remember Ed when brother Daniel who is in another amazing new played for Edwin for years and played for Hawkins family. He said he didn't want anything else to do with church because he was so hurt by what you know. These traditional so-called quotes saints unquote, head saying about them, and these were just young people who were trying to take their music to young people. What are the church liked it or not Joyce Jackson told us this wurley gospel sound inspired and ushered in a new generation? But I mean, it made them famous to know a lot of people didn't know about it. When Hawkins Hawkins sing is except within the black community. But when that piece went out to the majority audience, they became well known and the numbers that it sold was just iced or nominal. Richard Smallwood maintains the success accomplished what the bible asked of its followers is go out there to the clubs go out there, and to you know, other places where it's not heard where it's not taking and seeing the message, and that's what they were doing. They were singing the message of the gospel. They was thinking message of love loving each other. Regardless of what your your culture was what your race was what your background was. And this is what they were doing. He really changed. He changed music the Beatles. Like, oh, happy day back singer Dorothy homes. They sent me a letter, George. He said he like my own happy day. So well, and I inspired him to do my sweet low. Now the door is open. You can you can think about, you know, mazing grace, and all of those kind of good old song, you know, that that you hear in and out of the hymn book, you know. And now they're going to the hymn book and spruce it up some of those songs just like oh happy day was from him. But although own happy day has become a gospel standard, some church people don't believe the wider world has a place in the sanctuary. No, matter Goss, spoiled, DJ and scholar. Deborah Smith, Pollard told us the world will always still in somehow and to point out to someone that a song that they love is built upon an R and B song or a rock song or a popular song from back in the day is to have people to sit there and stare you. Like that emotive with the big is is like that. Can't be true something about God's grace is built upon something in the way. She moves by the Beatles. And to help people that would just give you the look if gospel music's purpose is to inspire. People change is part of the natural order blurring boundaries and breaking rules made this music a vital part of American culture. A month after Woodstock in September nineteen sixty-nine Dorothy combs perform the song at the big surf festival in California with a few other singers. Joni Mitchell, Joan Baez Crosby Nash deals and young out by the ocean. And it was just wonderful singing. Oh, happy day to them. That's four of Saturday night and Sunday morning. The gospel roots of rock and soul. Thank you CeCe Winans for being our host coming up in episode five gospel music intersects with the civil rights movement. Dema gang say left together killed not to get. As a great camp meeting in the promised land. And this promised land is red here in America. I was bone here and ain't going expected. I right here. This episode of Saturday night and Sunday morning gospel to rock and soul was written and produced by Alex Louis. Thank you for more stories. 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Episode 06: Ongoing and Active

Your Own Backyard

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Episode 06: Ongoing and Active

"Note from the smart family the statute of limitations in this case has expired on everything except murder. Anyone who comes forward with information will not be charged with any crime. San Pedro known by locals as San Pedro is a harbor community in the South Bay of California technically part part of the greater Los Angeles area a waterway runs alongside the quiet neighborhoods and the air. Smells like a combination of car. Exhaust and fish market in the region is a haven for windsurfing cruise ships and seafood. And for the last nine years it's also also the home of Paul Flores who with the help of his parents purchased a house here in two thousand eleven. The destination is on your eyes arrived at six thirty. Am on a Monday morning thing. I find it street. I'm hopeful that I can catch him leaving for work so I don't have to knock on his door. The street is so narrow that parked cars ars have two of their tires up on the curb to leave enough road for other cars to drive on when two cars come down the street and opposite directions one of them has to pulled to the side to allow the other pass. I find a place to park and I sit. Sit for a few hours hoping that Paul will come out. Several neighbors move their curtains aside to look at me and occupant of the House. Next door comes out to water his lawn glancing over at me repeatedly before taking a seat on a large porch swing which curiously is turned to face. Paul's House directly across the street is a banner advertising at Home Daycare Center for children. I'm not the first person to come here to try to talk to Paul. All and the neighbors are clearly tired of it. I can't tell whether they don't know what he's been accused of or don't care. It's worth noting here. That in Nineteen ninety-six Paul Florez Attorney came to the smart family's attorney with an offer. Allow Paul the plead guilty to involuntary manslaughter with a six year sentence and an agreement not to pursue him in civil court and he would lead authorities to Kristen's body before the smart family could even consider the compromise. He withdrew the offer. The guy on the swing never goes back back inside and I finally decide to try knocking around nine. AM In old GMC. AMC truck is parked horizontally in Paul's driveway. Something I've never seen before and which I'm assuming was intended to block access to his front door. I'm just just able to squeeze past it and the neighbor watches me approach. Paul's metal screen door. I knock three times times and while I'm waiting. The neighbor says something that I can't quite make out before finally disappearing into his own house. I'm not sure if he's going to call the police lease or come back out with a weapon so I leave a business card and go back to my car. I don't WanNa wrap this story without speaking to Paul but I'm almost positive that he won't talk to me in twenty sixteen. He was approached at the same curb by a writer from the daily beast. But at the mention of Kristin Smart Paul responded no I'm good and retreated back into his house us. I'm not even that lucky. I wait for almost eight hours parked far enough down the street that no one in the house could see me without coming out but there's no activity tippety at all. It doesn't look like Paula's home and if he is he clearly isn't going to answer the door. I figured that trying to get answers directly from Paul Flora's was always going to be a long shot. He's learned that not. Talking is the best way to stay out of trouble. I think about Sheriff Ed Williams comment to the slow slow Telegram Tribune in nineteen ninety seven. Absent something for Mr Florez. I don't see us completing this case but personally I don't have any interest in trying to complete a case I'm only interested in finding a missing person and luckily I don't think that Paul Florez is the only person who can tell us where she is. ooh ooh On March twenty. Second two thousand thirteen residents of the five cities region of the central coast opened their mailboxes. To find a newspaper they didn't didn't subscribe to and in fact have never even heard of it's called the California Register and eight of its fifteen by twenty three inch pages. These are focused on the details of the Kristin smart case laying out an exhaustive chronology of events alongside childhood pictures of Kristen. The articles are thorough but also pointed and sarcastic it credits cal. Poly Campus Police with quote moving at the speed of light and pulls no oh punches with the sheriff's Department or the Flora's family taking them both to task with biting humor. The entire paper is the work of one grover beach real estate broker named David Smallwood. It was serendipitous. I put an ad in the newspaper and they wanted. I think it was three hundred around fifty dollars for four lines and no pictures. It was classified ad that is highway robbery. That shouldn't be fifty bucks. I was so upset about it. Finally somebody said wanted to just write your own newspaper then maybe I should. Of course I don't know about it had had ballooned in design. I wrote it. I did the layout design I did everything but printed. I had somebody else do that. The question was what's my first story going to be about. You know. Should I make it like travel thing on travel or talk about wine wine and cheese and all the vineyards or 'cause that's like everybody's doing that right that's passe. What is my passion Russian? It came to me one day when I had my little girl. She was on the monkey bars over a dinosaur caves park and shelby and I we looked down at the stanchion there. Here's the laser etched photo of Kristin Smart. I call my God. That's my story. I don't know anything about OUGHTA and I'll bet you a lot of people don't so I went home. I went to Kristin Smart Dot Com and Dennis man responded to me and I said I need to speak to did the parents and I traveled up to Stockton California and I looked at him right away. And I'm concede nothing but pain and aggravation like how many times. Sometimes we have to tell this story. Will it ever stop. David pays out of his own pocket to have thousands of copies of the paper printed and distributed needed on the central coast leaving stacks businesses around San Luis Obispo in a Royal Guerande. He even mails a copy of Paul Flora's and San Pedro after putting out his first issue though he doesn't stop pursuing the Kristin smart case a second issue follows and David starts to take more of an offensive approach with headlines like the cow polly cover up where he charges. That cal poly intentionally swept things under the rug to avoid a public relations nightmare. They're comparing the situation to Penn State's handling of the Jerry Sandusky scandal. He's particularly critical of efforts to clean. Paul Flora's dorm dorm room before investigators came into search it calling it a quote overt attempt to destroy potentially damning evidence. He also cites a line in the original cal. Poly campus police incident report. which blames the investigation? Slow start on Denise smarts concession that her daughter might have just gone camping it something. Denise flatly denies ever saying and David Smallwood sees it as a blatant attempt by CAL poly campus police to shift the the blame off of themselves after some digging. David learns that. Paul Flora's has most recently been working Coca Cola Bottling Plant in south central Los Los Angeles before being fired in March of twenty thirteen. Just a few months ago I was able to contact one of his co workers from the plant and she agreed to speak with me under the condition of anonymity So we were. He was working in the lab. He was mixing the ingredients and the sugar and the very back. He was always weird at the at the fat. He was always trying to flirt with the girls. He wouldn't take no for an answer. He was being rude every time we would tell him. No he would get in our case. You would just stare at US weird you know for a couple of minutes. He was down there and for a minute or two just staring at him and even me and I was like. Oh what what are you doing. He's like Oh and then you would walk away and it was like Oh that creepy weird stare and he would. She wouldn't talk. He wouldn't say anything down there and I'm just like oh my gosh and he did it to a couple of other women they would just be like what are you looking at are. What's wrong or you know? He always gave out that creepy weird weird by was always trying to tell me. Hey letting ya'll too. You know something. Let's go out and I told him I didn't drink one night he was. Let's go to the bar. There's a the bar down the street called Sam's he said you know if you ever get drunk. Don't worry I will take care of you. You could spend a night and I was like lean alone. He doesn't take no for an answer. I had finally told my supervisor and I said look you know what I already told Paul. Leave me alone. I'M NOT GONNA quality. I don't want to get a drink with you. He made a weird comment. Saying you know. If did you ever get drunk. Don't worry I'll take care of you and I to look he's harassing me and can you please tell him to stop. And I remember one day In the break Acorn we were on the break room and there was a show that came on about Khorasan smart and it was talking about what happened and then it showed Paul the TV when we were just like oh my gosh. Wait a minute and short a picture of Paul and a blue shirt. That was the last person that she was dealing with. And we all just like like. Oh my God. That's Paul. Is that Paul in the lab and he came inside the lunchroom and it was commercial and I took a picture of of him banning. They're making the coffee and and then when he left right when he left the show came back on and we were just like. Oh my gosh like would if you saw that he didn't I don't think he saw and then it turned out. It was tall. So they're worried for my safety so I had. I had gotten a police escort to my car. And I didn't WanNa Donovan Iraklis Paul. Every time he was high after that I was just saying. Oh I got a bad by him. My supervisor told me to sexual harassment case if I wanted to to do a case on him and I filled out paperwork can and I told him you know what happened. And what part said to me and they told Paul balloted and you just Kinda like okay whatever. Shrugged it off. Then I found out a couple of weeks later that Paul had got fired and everybody was talking like they said they fired him because he on the people work that he did for Coca Cola he put it under a different name but I think what it was as soon as that thing aired on TV and showed Paul's face. All over you know in the lunchroom. I think coke was like look. You know what we don't want everybody to know about it so I think they fired him because of that but they just said it was because of paperwork board to cover themselves when he's got fired People are talking about this other girl that worked in Downey she worked at Coca Cola. She worked the the same shift as Paul jewell thing the ingredients at night she's referring to Amber Lee Hill who was found dead in January. Two thousand seven after working in overnight shift at the Coca Cola bottling plant in Downey California newspapers described her as a potential witness in a sexual harassment case at the company Penny but it was unclear whether that played a part in her murder. According to the Los Angeles Times she was found in the wilderness still clothed her coca-cola a uniform and partially wrapped in plastic shipping material. Paul didn't start working for Coca Cola until the following year and at a different bottling plant eh but they both work the same position and the same schedule and ambers murder has never been solved. Somebody had mentioned to Paul about that. He just laughed it it off like okay like all right. Whatever if Paul Flora's was responsible for the death of another woman eleven years after Christian's disappearance whose conscience is that on back on the Central Coast David Smallwood continues to investigate investigate and make connections focusing on what he believes is the most obvious theory which he intends to prove? She's in the backyard. The hard you can't go burying people in the backyard. In the summer of twenty fourteen. A reader from task darrow sends a copy of the California register to her brother and mammoth lakes are recently retired. Police sergeant named Paul Dusty. And we go okay. I'll retails tails. Most articles are very short lack details and reading. David's article read like a crime report. I'm in it was in such incredible incredible detail and everything like a holy smokes and so she says well call that guy. I go countess call this news guy. It'd probably just blow me off but you just try everything and he goes. I'm available twenty four seven. You come anytime and I go. Wow that's that's interesting. Realizing one man is deeper. He didn't have a boss can do it every once. Paul dossiers background is in detective work but specifically supervising avalanche rescue and clandestine grave rave detection dogs in other words. Paul Dusty train dogs to find missing persons and went through. I was a canine supervisor. When we got our first dog walk and later on got Buster and he's also certified outlasted certified in Cadaver dog in two certifications for that in a retired and it all actually started with Manson case in two thousand eight dossier and his grave detection. Dog a black DOC. Labrador named buster joined a team of forensic anthropologists and archaeologists at Barker ranch the home of the Manson family in the late sixties to search for possible clandestine graves missed by the original investigators. Make a long story short. They did a little league and didn't find anything. We did soil oil samples on the sides and there is plenty human decomposition indicating there's even remains at all the sites. We've identified there so I guess I just wanted to prove proof that the dog is right and a friend of mine. She said she knew a guy that was doing mass grave work overseas. Would I guess tradition. You bet dusty tip buster Tarawa and a toll in the central Pacific hoping to find the remains of marines missing since World War Two in a search conducted by Mark Noah the founder of a nonprofit research organization called history flight so our first day on Tarawa. He tested the dog all day. Contested on sites for the humor means or recovery tests on sites. There's no debt people and one hundred percent accurate. The dog was one hundred percent accurate in Our last trip to Tarawa alerted and several locations can analyze and when they excavated the site they found Thirty the US Marines including Lieutenant Alexander. Bonnie men missing in action metal forty. That was I thought that might help. Never did as convincing people his credentials are enough to impress. David Smallwood though. And after obtaining the permission of the Renter's directly behind Susan Flora's house. Paul dusty brings buster down to a royal `Grande on June second twenty fourteen. They enter the yard that borders the back fence of the branch street home when we train the dog for the target odors human remains human gone human decomposition that that chemical signal changes over time he was a East trainer and all that stuff so I just lost them in the yard and then the weight you gotTa tell them how to tell you. So if he finds a target older he lays down and it was really quick back and the dog learner all around that corner of the property as strong there and of course subsequently it's a pretty strong belief that she's had concrete poured on her she's in in concrete. That concrete is porous. You have no problem getting detection through that concrete. I pretty much knew that we're getting through the wall. They're kind of like a big chemical Michael Plummer in the air that we can't detect and Buster is detecting parts per trillion. We're not searching rescue. They do a great job of finding like a big stinky. Ed Guy out there. We're looking for minute of evidence. Part of the skepticism that law enforcement occasionally has about working with cadaver dogs is that they can't speak to tell us what exactly they're smelling. So how do we know that. Buster wasn't alerting on some old chicken bones that the flora's family had buried under the concrete in their backyard. Or as Ruben Flora's tried to suggest that the cadaver dogs learning to pulse mattress in his cal poly dorm room could have been detecting a tri tip. Hip Sandwich that Paul had eaten there. What happens when a cadaver dog smells something that is not human? Because they're not there. One day I was working over in In London on the Sherman case. And there's dead cow about Haffey. Oh man extinct dead cow pasture there you know but I recognize immediately as a training opportunity and so I get buster out and he went probably within three feet of that cow which is big stink Lincoln massive decomposing cow. Like it wasn't even there. He just didn't even turn his head to check it out when he was looking for his target odor. His target odors orders are human specific chemicals that are released from decomposing body. Cadaver dogs aren't rewarded for alerting on animal remains so they learned to bypass them during a search so with a positive alert at the fence. Line of Susan. Floors is backyard. The next step is to obtain a soil sample to send to a lab for testing. But before they can collected the other tenant of the House returns home and abruptly tells dusty and smallwood to get out of his yard he was girlfriend from gave us permission and he freaked out. Thought he was going to be killed. And you're trying to get me killed and get this off the property so that was kind of a weird experience when he was screaming. Luckily they're able to get permission from the homeowner directly next door to Susan and they obtain a soil sample there to send in to be tested by a forensic anthropologist in Tennessee named are Pad Vaz. Dr Vos's best known for being a prosecution witness in the two thousand Eleven Casey Anthony Trial where he testified that the air and Anthony's trunk tested positive for both human decomposition and high levels of chloroform. A compound which is sometimes used used by criminals to immobilize incapacitate or murder their victims here. Dr SPLAINE's role in that trial. Casey Anthony was accused. ooh At the time of having a hand. In her child's death theory was the child was placed in the car trunk for transport somewhere and so they had five cadaver dogs alert on the talk of that vehicle but they couldn't determine what the compounds would that the dogs will alluding to they called. Call me in to analyze the chemical composition of the trunk and So it ended up being that there's a match of chemicals that should have been there if a body composed and what actually was there In addition they had a huge amounts of chloroform found the trunk vehicle which was a big spice. Everybody essentially that was the beginning of Oto analysis. Odor mortis in this country. Trial said a follow up on busters easters alert doctor vass analyzes the soil sample at Oak Ridge National Laboratory searching for compounds which would indicate the presence of human specific chemicals. Goals one of the samples from Susan. Flora's neighbor's yard tests weak positive for chemicals consistent with human decomposition weak weak positive essentially means that some but not all of the chemicals expected are present. Which you've asked says should be expected when the soil sample was collected from the yard heard next door excited by these results David smallwood brings Paul Dusty and buster back to a royal `Grande for a second search this time at the house house where the soil sample was taken from on August? First Twenty fourteen. Buster is let into the neighbor's backyard in. I don't tell them where to go. I just let him do his thing but it was. You know smaller yard and it's go find anyone out there sniffed around and right by that planters like little lemon tree right in the corner corner stone he alerted and it was that quick. I mean I I would say less than ten seconds just Bam and that's it and all points to that core after a week positive soil test and two cadaver dog alerts. David Smallwood expects the sheriff's Department to immediately apply for a new search warrant Warren. But they don't instead. They dismissed the results. Because Buster isn't certified. His license expired when Paul dossey retired a dog doesn't care about being certified. He smells dead Bait Ball. That's what he's trained to do. The next issue of the California Register dister goes for broke with a headline that reads Kristin Smart's body finally found question. Mark it's bold and it has has some unexpected effects. I it upsets the smart family. Who released a statement saying that? The headline is misleading. And that they asked for it not to be published published. Then some people in the community missed the question mark and think that the Kristin smart case is now closed a few people. I talked to early on on remembered seeing a headline in a newspaper. That said Kristen had been found and were surprised to hear that the search is still ongoing. Small Woods articles. GET MORE SARDONIC too. When he talks about the lost earing he puts the word lost in quotes any asserts that authorities quote really did not want to find Kristin smart he points out that if investigators don't trust busters alert they can always bring in their own certified cadaver dogs to see if they can confirm his findings? It's something that Paul Donosti suggested to. You would think that they would immediately get their dogs and reproduce it since let's go permission. You don't need a search warrant you know that you can get two yards at a right at that corner and worked at work. The dogs in never did anything in its first few issues choose. The California Register started out sympathetic to Sheriff Parkinson giving him the benefit of the doubt but after declining to follow up on busters alerts it. It seems like the gloves. Come off the next issue which comes out. On January Fifteenth Two Thousand Fifteen hits the hardest headline search dog buster detects human remains behind Royal Guerande home soil sample contains a human specific chemical. But Sheriff ignores it all so it bothers the sheriff's Department enough that they put out a press release about it the next day which reads in part most of what is published centers around Mr Smallwood bringing in a former mammoth lakes police officer and his dog to conduct their own investigation after several area searches including next extorted the home of the mother of subject. Paul Florez they believe they've found positive evidence. The Kristen was there. They believe that this possible evidence was ignored and discounted discounted. They were well aware of the fact that the residence has been searched three times. There are many facts about the search at the Arroyo Guerande residence that the publisher does not know and has only speculated about the search warrants were sealed by the court they were sealed because the disclosure of information contained within the search warrants. I would only harm potential prosecution. The California Register continues to publish information on this case which is not only inaccurate and misleading but it also damaging to the investigation while it's technically true that the branch street house was searched on three separate occasions. It's only fair to note that just one of those searches was conducted by the sheriff's department. The other two searches were organized by smart family attorneys and none of the three searches were thorough enough to rule the property out entirely but aside from that they do have some points. David Smallwood doesn't have all the information and headlines like Kristin Austin smarts body finally found are kind of misleading at a glance an charging that the sheriff's department is part of a cover up involving cal. Poly he's is only going to alienate both of them. Several facebook commenters side with the sheriff's department one going so far as to say that small woods should be taken out back. Jack Given a few swats on the ASS and thrown in a cell until kristen has found another commenter suggests that smallwood should be investigated as a suspect in Kristen's disappearance the sheriff's statement coupled with the smart family statement is a blow to David small woods credibility but it doesn't stop him from continuing his own investigation. Yeah it was a punch in the gut but you see I promise the parents when I spoke to him. I'm I'm going to raise awareness and brother. Did I raise awareness on January. Twenty six twenty seventeen. He pays to fly. Dr Arpad are Pat Vaz the forensic anthropologist from Knoxville Tennessee to a royal guerande with a new machine that Dr vast claims can detect. DNA matches With eighty five to ninety percent accuracy. The obtained fingernail clippings from Denise Smart and set out with the new piece of technology which Vasquez his coined the inquisitor. I don't know what to call it. I call it the inquisitor the GIZMO Essentially an instrument of my own design. It's not based on Oda Analysis. This instrument is based on Wasim Frequencies and all objects in the universe and made made up of molecules and all those molecules vibe waited a very specific frequency and so I found a way to amplify that resonance frequency city and beam it out into the environment like wait all gun and when it hits an object of similar composition it excites that object and beams back a signal to secondary antenna. And so then I look and then I can determine whether or not that object is present environment In this case will using Sheraton DNA as the source material for comparison that is Carrington DNA from Denise smarts fingernail clippings which should match Kristen's DNA without filling in Dr vast on the details. David Smallwood takes into the parking lot of last last-chance liquor and ask them to do a three sixty scan of the area and we got hit in the back of the house. The Floyd House of leave mother's all this House I was I was standing about half mom. Have Mall Quarter Mile Away from that house at the time and it was pointing right towards Susan's backyard. We are so we walked up the street here. We went into the parking lot of the condos right behind the do another three sixty dot boom. I got something right here. That intersected with the other line right over the rear left corner the house. Let's walk down here along the sidewalk care another three sixty. Once again. It intersects now. It doesn't necessarily mean that body could have been the body. was there as a control. They take the machine to the Cold Canyon landfill and the CAL poly P. But they don't get a hit at either location Asian they do get a positive hit at the red brick dorm buildings and another in the parking lot of the sheriff's department pointing to an outbuilding. They believed to be an evidence. Evidence Locker so is Kristin Smart's DNA in the sheriff's evidence building and in the cal poly dorms and Susan Flora's backyard. It's it's hard to know without understanding how the inquisitor machine works and Dr Vos's hesitant to go into details while the patent is pending. But he says that investigators don't have to take his word for it and even if they don't listen to me I mean or want to believe my technology and that that's what certified apponaug does something. They should listen to that they have to. They have to bring in the white dog for the job. So I don't have a clue why they don't Pursue that at all smallwood. Donosti Vaz are all Al- adamant that investigators could follow up with their own searches to rule out their findings but the sheriff's department doesn't seem to take the California Register seriously and neither does cal. Poly in Twenty fifteen a broadcast journalism. Major named Livia de Janeiro puts out a two part story on the case for cal poly's Mustang hosting news titled Where Is Kristin Smart. I was not familiar with the case at all and I think if you asked most people who were at cal holly with me. Most of my classmates they had never heard of the case. Either I actually during my senior project while I was doing research into the case I just did a video. Leo Walked around campus and asked people. Do you know who crystal smart as and people had no idea who she was or had incorrect incorrect information about who she was it. Just kinda struck a nerve. This blonde cowboy freshman goes missing and I had never heard about it when you run away and Teixeira Zhang on and a new student like they. Don't tell you those things. Obviously how I I learned about the case I picked up the California register she interviews Sheriff Parkinson Attorney James Murphy and Denise Smart. She's even able to obtain a copy of the two thousand search warrant template and in a video recording of Paul Flora's nineteen ninety-seven deposition which she releases and full. It's one of the most thorough and well sourced pieces that's ever been done on the case but the two part series was originally supposed to be four parts before faculty in the Journalism Department. Nixed the final two which featured extensive of interviews with David Smallwood my faculty editors at Mustang News got really nervous about publishing a lot of the stuff out editor was like in all caps. No not publish this now. It's just too too much speculation. I honestly never finished it the way I wanted changes because I got so much pushback from Mustang News. Not really wanting to put their own neck on the line. She sends me the Google doc which she saved saved and it's covered in notes from her instructor. One note reads. I have read his quote newspaper and see many red flags in his coverage. He highlights entire sections several paragraphs at a time. And rate's cut next to them every mention of buster. The cadaver dog every mention of Doctor Are Pad Vasan the soil samples Olivia defends her journalistic choices rating quote. I understand not wanting to attribute the California register but ninety nine percent of the people in the community I talked to about Kristen. Smart have read small woods publications. I think to be thorough. We should go into his claims and offer the sheriff's rebuttal of them in capital letters with period at the end her instructor rates. No David Small Woods charge that cal poly and the sheriff's department have both worked to cover up aspects of this case only gets more compelling when they avoid responding to his claims. David insists that they're both part of a conspiracy and they both insist that David is not a trustworthy source. So smallwood starts to file complaints in the grand jury. I put in a formal complaint every year that the sheriff is not doing his job. Here is one of those complaints right. There citizen complaints form and every year he receives a certified letter thanking him for his as interest in San Luis Obispo County last year. He finally decided to step away from the case citing his frustration with Sheriff Parkinson's Pinson's administration and the smart families continued. Supportive him no. I'm always interested in the final chapter of Justice as you see. There's a gaping wound for the smart family because they don't have any closer but I decided I'm not. It can do anything more with it unless you know if Paul floors says I wanNA talk to you. Well I'll say okay. Let's talk but you you and kill. The parents realized that the sheriff's Department has never been working in their behalf until they realized that. I really don't want to be part of it anymore. The blanket dismissal of busters alerts and the inquisitor machine isn't the first time that the sheriff's department has refused to follow up on a potentially promising league. Either in two thousand three Dennis Man's website son of Susan season gets an anonymous email from an author who calls himself Ben. Franklin the gist of his tip is that police should take another. Look at Paul's best friend. At the the time who may have more information than he admitted to Ben Franklin claims to have worked with Paul at the seventy six station over the summer of nineteen ninety six after four tips he disappears but Dennis finds an expert. WHO's able to track the authors? Ip address to the computer lab at Sonoma's no must state university. Dennis context the SONOMA's state. It director a man named Berry and asks him to cross. Check a list of students and faculty faculty with a list of pulse. Co Workers from the seventy six station Berry confirms that one of the names appears on both lists but he can't legally give the name out without being subpoenaed. He's more than happy to give the name to the sheriff's Department so Dennis passes the information onto them and waits a few years pass and Denise smart eventually requests that investigators follow up on the Ben Franklin lead when. She's told that they already have and that. It was a dead head end dejected. Dennis Calls Buryats anoma state to find out what happened when he informs Dennis that no investigators ever contacted him according to Berry even if the investigators contacted someone else at the university. That person would have had to come to him for the Info and that never happened opened from two thousand three to two thousand sixteen. The smart tally is kept in the dark about whatever. Investigators have discovered until Berry himself himself. Now retired and living in another state since denise an email confirming that he was never subpoenaed for the information and expressing his disappointment appointment. So what's going on behind the scenes. Do investigators have game changing information which enables them to rightfully refuse to follow follow up on confirming the alerts on Susan. Flora's backyard the tips about Ruben Flora's avocado grove emails from Pulse Co workers and numerous other leads over the years or has the sheriff's department been stringing along the smart family for two decades. I've talked to a lot of people over the last eighteen. Eighteen months and there are many strong proponents of both theories. My personal opinion won't have any effect on things. I don't purport to be any sort of authority on this case and I readily concede that the sheriff's department has far more information than me and it's information that they feel. They can't share without jeopardizing their case. Case with all of that knowledge they have to be closer to a resolution than I am but then I reflect back on all of the articles. I've read through all of the Times that the sheriff's department has refused to comment or share information with the smart family citing an ongoing and active investigation ongoing ongoing and active in articles from two thousand to two thousand three sixteen and Seventeen years ago from nineteen ninety. Six to two thousand and again from two thousand to two thousand fifteen. The smarts pursued a subpoena specifically a subpoena ducey's TCM which sought the disclosure of the Sheriff Department's investigative documents from their daughter's case they were denied access to the records citing an ongoing and active investigation. The basis for the denial is that the public's interest in protecting the integrity of the criminal investigation outweighs the smart families right to disclosure once a year. They had a standing court date to appeal the decision and every year. They were denied access to the documents. Talk Tober twenty third two thousand three judge. Roger Pikit denies the Smart Family Access to the Sheriff's Department's investigative documents citing an ongoing an active investigation. November ninth two thousand four judge. Roger Pikit again denies the Smart Family Access to the documents citing an an ongoing and active investigation their articles every year and the slow tribune about it in February. Two Thousand Seven Judge Charles Charles Crandall again denies the family access to the documents. But this time he agrees that the ongoing and active investigation is particularly slow describing describing it as quote tepid if not cold and calls for our view on September twentieth. After which the case will be declared cold unless there here is a quote unusual development before then the review is delayed but finally in December two thousand seven San Luis Obispo Superior Court rules. That the sheriff's Office must released their case files to the smart family before they received the documents though. The decision is overturned by the second the District Court of Appeal citing an ongoing and active investigation. How long is too long? If it's true that the the investigation was ongoing and active nineteen ninety-six and it's still ongoing an active now in two thousand nineteen one giant nagging question lingers. Here's where is Kristin then. I hope they have that answer somewhere in their documents. And I hope that they'll share it with the smart family soon. I don't want to be an adversary of the sheriff's department. I don't have the experience or the resources to accomplish what they're capable of. I just WANNA believe leave. They're doing it. Over the past six weeks the podcast started to have a ripple effect in the last episode. I mentioned a tip that was submitted back in two thousand four by an anonymous author who Dennis Man has been looking for for fifteen years the day after the episode was released. I got a message from Seattle Washington from guy claiming to be the author and was able to confirm through private information that he was in fact. The guy we were looking for earn. I did leave that tip. Two Thousand and four kind of figure when I gave that lead that it may actually turn up something and then I would hear about it and anything I've heard about the cases just been nothing but struggles in trying to dig up the yard but I personally believe that they're looking in the wrong yard. The fluted the central coast last week and showed me to the exact spot where he and his roommate believe. Kristen was buried. I think this is an important lead. And I'm still working on it every day alongside several others. I'm hoping to follow up with new episodes sometime down the road. The podcast also managed to reignite the passion of a fervent Christian smart supporter who had previously burned out after conducting several self-funded searches. Clark Baird was a year a younger than Kristen and sat behind her in a math class at Lincoln high school in Stockton after moving to the central coast and starting his own business. Clark slowly became came obsessed with finding kristen even seeking the help of psychics and researching real estate records until coincidentally or serendipitous. -Ly he ended up in a rural location. That Susan Flora's had listed at the time that Kristen disappeared. He took me to the spot just a few weeks ago to meet the property owner and caught me up on the way so I went to Lincoln high graduated in ninety six so I graduated the same year that she went missing. We had a few classes together. The one that I remember most vividly is that she sat in front of me in a math class of Mr Gray and she sat in front of means. WHO's really shy? Like you know like everybody sad. I think that was probably because And Panna Back I. I learned so much about her from listening to your podcasts. And it's fascinating like the very first podcast and listening to drive into my daughter's soccer game yesterday and I'm just driving on the road road like tears in my eyes. I'm like really emotional person. I feel energy really strong and I'd just like yeah. Hit home to me is almost like the same thing. When you said is like almost like a lawsuit has her and I were just an acquaintance you know we had a couple conversations but I don't think she ever thought about me? You know other within no one. I was in her class. Me You know. Kristen wasn't really a party. Person Percent High School that I knew of and I think that night that everything happens didn't it was almost like she was just his going out to just you know maybe she all. I wish I had this fun. In high school or Blah Blah Blah. It was almost to me. I had the sense of like first time of her like really party and I guess so. Yeah I mean every like did you know you. You know some so much more about this this than even I do but I think Caisley you know the community would start talking about the ks and then billboards would give up and I drive by and just how this weird feeling about man here. I have this connection. Because she's from my hometown. I had slow of class third now here. I am my own wound. Business Work Work with a lot of Haiyan clients in the area. Maybe I could do something work that I do so I reached out to the to denise and just told or at Hey I'm one I'm here Wanna be like liaison. What can I do run a golf tournament down or or you know do something alike help? What can I do to help on here? Clark put up his own billboard on the one and brought out a crew to search the rural area. He'd he'd found chartering a helicopter to fly over the densely forested surroundings and was convinced that he was going to find Kristen. Their clerks whole story needs. Its own episode but after finding some compelling items in the area which bustard the cadaver dog also alerted on. He passed on the information to the sheriff's Department along with the Flora's family's connection to the property he's hopeful to Ian Parkinson will be the sheriff. The Smart family has been waiting for. We're we're waiting for the hero. We're waiting for the guy that says who cares if somebody's hushing this or doing this. You know imagine you. You're the sheriff. It Finds Kristin Smart. I mean to me the if I was in politics which the sheriff is political. You know that would like skyrocket you to like the tops of everything to be. See the person so that's like I'm waiting for the hero to show up waiting for the guy that says I don't care we to start over Gather all this information you talk to the people that were involved and kids start. Let's go let's go look yes. It's been twenty three years but they they said those cadaver dogs and you know some of the other resources they have now in the technology. Maybe it will turn up something if they'll just do it in twenty sixteen. After the sheriff's Department announced their intention to excavate the CAL poly hillside instead of following up on this property Clark Baird decided to hang it up going so so far as to throw out all of his papers and files on the case another in a series of people who tried to help but became discouraged by law enforcement's enforcements lack of interest in outside assistance. But I'll be following up with Clark again and hopefully we'll have more to share soon in twenty any seventeen. The Smart Family announced that they intended to start focusing on the positive by launching an annual Kristin smart scholarship as a way to help. Young women like Kristen achieved their career goals. The scholarship is offered to prospective students pursuing degrees in architecture or international relations and because because of how underrepresented a female perspective has been on Kristen's case women with an interest in law enforcement or forensic science. The scholarship ship is funded by the nonprofit organization justice. For Kristen which you can donate to a kristen smart dot org at the end of our interview review. I ask Stan Smart. If he has anything he'd like to say to the floor as family but he affirms that they've given up on that tactic. I think it's wishful thinking on my part or your part to thank that they will change. I know in counseling people and working with people in large groups of people. Well Fortunately Professional. I've had that opportunity. Less people are ready to change. They WANNA make a change. They won't and so I think they're very Doug Dan and I think they Somehow justified in their mind that our daughter didn't count that she wasn't a human that she wasn't someone. I'm on loved that. We care miss her dearly a and we hold them accountable for it. I mean they feel well you know. She is been problem for Paul well. Would they care of Paul disappeared with care. One of them disappeared with care of their daughter. autre disappeared then it would become very personally. Yes it would care okay. That's very human. I don't know why they can't relate to us and they've shown no cause concern over the years they Actually I think probably of laughed about it so I'm not happy with someone. Bet I think they should be held accountable. And I think probably in the end they will be This point for whatever reasons I think Paul's got real lucky. And and people have not followed through on things maybe they should have through law enforcement and others To hold them accountable so at some point in time they will be. Is it something that you're looking forward forward to seeing you kind of resigned as well. I'm getting younger every year that I get younger. How's that and my wife's always concerned that we're getting older older and older survey? I don't know if we're getting a wiser and I don't know if they are I suspect they're not getting wiser. But anyway Yeah I would like to have a result in our lifetime I don't want our children to still be working on resolving it years recent decades from now. I don't think that's right. In the interest of positivity though clerk bear doesn't want to waste an opportunity to speak directly leader Paul Flora's for the first time I plead Paul Mountains just times this. Now's the time to come forward and to make this right to share what happened and to bring this thing to rest because you don't want to go on another forty years man. It's time it's time and you can get. This is behind you and feel so much better because I feel for you. I feel sad. I've struggled my own life and I've faced my demons and struggle with alcoholism and Substance Abuse News. And where your life set right now. I think that the higher self appall flory's is telling you that right now time for you to come forward and tell us what happened. I'll be there with you if you WANNA share your story with somebody and you want to confide in somebody. That's not your parents that are leading you in the wrong direction direction for so many years to keep this a secret. I'm sure they're not happy with where their lives are at right now because even though you guys aren't in jail you guys have been living even inhale for the last twenty plus years and I'm sure you guys are all tired of the fight and are ready to To try something different. So what else Chris anything else did okay. Sure while this case has had an overwhelming emotional impact on my life and the lives of the people. I Love I've tried to focus on the positive parts to this past February. I was invited to join Denise Smart and two friends while they sang some of Christians favorite songs on the cliffs Shell Beach near a spot dubbed the point of hope on what should should have been her forty second. Birthday a AH attack how do you conclude a story where a person is still missing at the end. Maybe you don't maybe we all just keep telling the story to everyone we can. Over the past month I've received over three hundred emails ranging from messages of gratitude and encouragement to people who think they know where Christians body is. I think I've shared shared everything I can for now but I'm still looking. The answer is in our community and it only takes one person to do what Paul Flora's failed to do On May Twenty Fifth Nineteen Ninety six. Let's bring Kristen home. Oh move listening coming to your own backyard. Episode six ongoing and active. Your own backyard is written produced and hosted by Chris. Lambert associate producer is Alexandra Wallace special. Thanks to Dennis Man. Peter King Nicholas Wintry Candice Vendor Place. Derek Payne Jamie Lewis Garin Sinclair Sandy. Arnold April chorley carry. Quincy's image Elissa. Brigham Keelan Poke Sydney Bryant Lydia de Janeiro Dallas Bronson Giovanna Nicola Matthew. Frank If you feel that you have information that could help law enforcement with their investigation. You can directly contact. San Luis Obispo Sheriff's Chiefs Detectives at Eight. Oh five seventy one forty five hundred reach out to us directly send an email to your own backyard podcast at g mail dot com or visit our website at your own backyard broadcast dot com To keep up with new episodes subscribe to your own backyard on Apple podcasts and follow us on facebook or Instagram Original Music is by Chris. Lambert WANNA help keep Kristen's memory alive you can donate to the Kristin and smart scholarship at Kristin Smart Dot Org a note from the smart family the statute of limitations in this case has expired on everything except of murder. Anyone who comes forward with information will not be charged with any crime

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10/09: Waiver Wire and What Happened to Kamara??? (Fantasy Football Podcast)

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10/09: Waiver Wire and What Happened to Kamara??? (Fantasy Football Podcast)

"Fantasy football today from CBS sports. Email us at fantasy football CBS. I dot com. Let's hit the waiver wire. Here's some comedy of data. Jamie away rewire day show what's going on. Buddy. Welcome. Benazir football today at of named Jamie heath Tuesday, October nine and we're gonna give you our top waiver wire priorities. They're going to be eagles running backs on their, you'd better believe it could enga- ten percent when they'll Smallwood guys before we get into waiver wire, what happened? Alvin Kamara but a terrible game. Nine touches and what thirty nine total yards. Good math. Adam Begay what happened? Alvin Kamara we worried why didn't you start with the welcome back music. Like let's focus on the positive Mark Ingram is here on the positive breaches set an amazing record. I missed my opportunity. I miss my Kwan Smith established himself himself on the map, but no, we're just going to focus on the doom and gloom become they're the bad game script. I not any my opinion on what's going to happen with Alvin Kamara. The season did not change because of this game. The script was let's get Ingram involved early and then it was a killed o'clock game in the fourth quarter. I don't think mayor is going to be as good in games where they have to score leads in the fourth quarter. Do you ever leave a hot blackjack table. Now I tell you what I am read. I think I had my best fantasy week ever this week, right? I believe I went sixteen so you're not going to Syria, you're not gonna. Stop playing fantasy now at sixteen and one. That's pretty good. That is extremely good. How'd you doing daily? Nobody. Got it. I don't get it. Sixteen one all the sit. Like. Oh, the score, the baseball game Abby Judy, go sixteen in what you know. But the Red Sox did what I'm royals did. If I, as I recall. Groom was hot atom. Yeah, hear writing what other thing back. He really wasn't hot. They didn't exactly run the ball very well. It was, I think part of it is they've given Camaro a lot of work over the last four games they have there by we coming up. It was easy to lean on the other guy and just get chimera through the game, not have any injury concern, and he'll be fine in week. Six weeks Camaro also did have a lot of involvement near the end zone. Second quarter they had. I intend from the eleven yard line. He was in, he caught a pass for seven yards. He stays at the game on second and third down on third down, Washington gets a stop at they're called for defensive holding. Now, as I thing goal from the one and here's Mark Ingram, and he comes in and Tabriz actually through a touchdown to Joshua on that play later in the second quarter I go from the eight Camaro is in Tatum hill was the quarterback hail, carries it down to like the two yard line here comes Mark Ingram, and it gets the next two carries, and he gets a goal line touchdown, third quarter Kamera gotta carry on first and goal from the four. But the play was called back on a legal. Formation and he didn't score. So he had some opportunities. But if you go back to last year, it's not surprising that when they got super-duper close to the end zone, it was Ingram because he had more of those types of carries last year. All right. So they gotta by coming up and we'll talk more about that game a little bit later. I wanna ask you your waiver wire priorities, but it's going to have to start with the eagles running back situation and j.j is out for the year with a tornado c. l. Corey Clement practice in full. They are at the giants this week, which is a solid matchup giants have allowed nine or more fantasy points and non PR running back off five games, twelve or more non PR and four or five games. They also are struggling in the passing game against running backs, three receiving touchdowns allowed. It's a short week who do you want? Clement or Smallwood and where sproles in the equation. We'll sproles was going to be a distant third in the equation because we don't know when he's going to be back from his injury. I like small would a little bit better than Clement because add really just because he's a little bit more physical than Clement. Here's the deal Philadelphia's gonna use them both and they're gonna use them both a lot, even Jiwa. He was healthy, didn't have any more than maybe fifty one percent of the snaps when he was playing. They like using multiple backs. It's nice that they're down to three. They're down to four. One of them's hurt that sproles. The other one is this undrafted player named Josh Adams who has had moments certainly the preseason he did, but I don't think he's going to be a big factor. You're going to see a lob small wooden. A lot of Clement, it's probably going to be situational based on who's on the field when they can both do a lot of the same things. But I think small woods has got the edge when it comes to a healthy, south ear and be size, so, and he's more vailable. He's out there, ninety percent of leaks. So give me Wendo. Okay. One vote for small would for Dave heath. Jamie. Yeah, I I can't disagree with anything. Dave said, it's nice to have a running back, but ninety percent available that everybody wants dad. And he's the must get like I, it's been a long time since we've had a must add and we've got another one waiver on a different MAC. Yes, I agree. Dewey. So why don't we go into our own such a fantastic back who Alf itself, how you've got you gotta go get out. He's back. Yeah, but but Breda might not miss that much time. I, he's going to be must start this week and breed has been hurt almost every single game this. Yep, it's it's it's over for him to be the featured back in San Francisco when he Southie it's going to end up being kind of what it will be in Philadelphia fifty fifty split. There's also might sexually not a bad week for running backs. Now, that's I don't know that any of these guys are going to be stars except other than the ones we're talking about. They have great potential least this week. But if you are just looking for some potential or maybe someone get you like six points, it seems like one of the better running back waiver wire weeks that we've had. I think we have like six storable running backs on the waiver wire this week. It's phenomenal. So how much fab for your favorite running back? What percentage? I think you gotta get them if you're desperate for running back up, you gotta get him. I'd go with at least thirty percent for Clement would be your number one priority. I, I'm really having a hard time not with Smallwood clinics. I'm going gonna stick with Smallwood. I'm I kind of want elf. You can get them both. You can't you? Well, I don't. I think there's gonna be some teams that spend over fifty percent on these guys combined. No on one. Yes, of course. They're desperate for wins. You have to. I think you'll see some sixty and seventy percent bids. But I mean, is that a big mistake since we're talking about committee guys here? Yes, but people for weeks, you gotta look at small. What does the better of the two guys week seven could be. We come out of this saying, wow, comment was the head of him on death are reason than he's healthy now he's back to being the guy there. So it's it's risky, and then there's still the opportunity for them as they showed last year, they were aggressive, making a trade to get JJ. They can be aggressive, making trading bell or what it's worth. So I don't know if come, we tend we're saying small woodwork lament is the best running back filled up. Then let me bring this up about the eagles because this week you know, you'll start him. You'll start small would if Clemente's will discuss it, but Asia's he's gonna play. He's gonna play. So most likely. But after that, look at the schedule, it's it's. Tough, potentially Carolina, get Thomas Davis back. They could be tough. They always usually are at Jacksonville, then a by Dallas could have Sean Lee. At that point, you would think at New Orleans that clearly one of the better run defenses in the NFL. So it's not an enticing schedule coming up. What does that mean for you? How do you weigh that in with the eagles running backs in their outlook. I'm just I'm looking for a running back that I can start each week at this point. Yeah, we're not like schedule does matter. I'm not saying it's a relevant, but if you're making a big move to go get one of these guys because you're running backs are in dire straits. And so I don't think you can let that really have much of an impact you need to starting running back. It's also if you're under five hundred, you need to win now. And so again, just short week, small would look like the best of the group followed by Morris, followed by comment terms of what they can give Davis as well. If Daba cooks out yellow tape, Mary also you need to spend because I mean, what are you holding the money for? What are you holding your for? If you need it right, and you and your season's over, you know, you don't need it for weekend. So are you willing to drop Alex Collins Kenyan Drake. Tennessee running back jets running back. Maybe. I know they're coming off a good game, but they've been frustrating for small wood or Clement or or Morris, I'm probably not dropping those guys for them and ten team league if you need to win now. Yes. Several of them in a twelve team league at the union, rid of the Tennessee guys to. I hate to say it, but. They went the buffalo and they couldn't get anything going. It's over. Okay. And I also want to point out that if even like obviously the teams that are bad in or desperate for running back, they're gonna make a play for those guys, but the teams were good, should make a play for them to a because you don't know what small would could end up being. He could end up being the best pickup off waivers this year, the dishes, its trade, bait. And if let's say you're five zero, you haven't spent a dime on fab or very little on fab. This is a chance for you to really drop the hammer on the rest of your league and make your team even more potent for the rest of the year. The yet he's, he's going to be super popular. He is, I know you answer this, but why are we? Why are we convinced that small wooded not gory climate? I'm not. I think, honestly, for me, it's this week. I think small, what is the better of the two long term? I would not be surprised if commend his better than small would because he was better than small would coming into the season. Small was the guy they thought about cutting. But he's up. He's played very well. Yes, but so did commit before he got her. And so it's gonna be a frustrating, tandem. They're gonna split time than sproles gonna come back. That's gonna make even more frustrating. So for this week, that's that I would only approach this week small, what is the better of the two and just see what happens? Smaller, could be better. The wrestler very easily could be the case, but comment was the guy. We talked about him as a sleeper. He played great that week, two game win. A John was banged up and rolls, got hurt. He played okay in week three and then he got hurt and so small wooden in the small touches that he's got his played. Well, he's six yards per carry. He's caught ten of fifteen targets, but comment was also doing basically same thing. Four point, two yards precarious was a little bit less, but he also didn't play with wins. So I don't think it's a, it's a stretch by any means that commend is three weeks. Our saying what they've just said comment was the runningback above the year. Well, I was actually saying that about Smallwood. No, but I'm saying that could be that guy to. That's just what I said. Sure. All right. I, I wasn't sure what you heard me say, I. I just I like the fact that small wooden Clement can do basically the same things, and we've seen it small wit is a much better pass catcher than spin. They can both average nice number on hand offs, and they're in a really good Philadelphia offense, which that line would play a little bit better, but there that, yeah, it's definitely an issue, but at least they can make up a little bit with their receiving game. Feeling that by and large, they're gonna end up being like the falcons running backs where you're just not gonna know which one does what and what role they'll have. Inclement has been more involved in the passing game, but that's been without sproles. So sprawl. I don't know that anybody wants sproles right now. He's fifteen percent on, and I don't think you want him in a in a non PR league, but he might get you five catches a game or so on. That's a lot, but he might get you five catches he games if you look at it just from an easy comparison because we'll talk about them in a minute is Jalen restart right scored at least eleven PR points in three or five games rose about nine Heinz. It's same kind of right situation. SEB Hines usually playing from behind which helps, but I'm not sure the eagles won't be in terrible, terrible division. It seems. All right. So those are the eagles running backs. We'll get more into that later. We also have Alfred Morris who were very interested in. I'm going to say Greg Olsen. He seventy two percent owned. He's not sixty five or fewer, but Greg Olsen. Who's a bigger priority a running back, Greg Olsen. I mean, you've got a guy that we were drafting maybe a top five tight end. It's available in twenty eight percent of these. If you see Clement, Smallwood Morris and Greg Olsen out there, does it just depend on team or or is there an easy answer here? Who's number one? I think it's the running backs. I'm a little worried about Olsen and his first game back, and also there's another tight end who's going to be very good for the next month and better this week. That's twenty seven percent on camera break that is Cameron, bright other other waiver wire parties. I think this is going to be one of those those nights where spending like an hour and a half setting. My waiver claims last couple of weeks haven't really felt that way tonight. There's a lot of guys. I wanna get lot of wide receivers. Who who you guys gonna be prioritizing? Well, I mean, there's there's one quarterback that stands head and shoulders above the rest, and I write the streaming calm. Every Tuesday. I'll be writing set for noon and it's hard to find the number two number three streaming quarterback for me, at least. But James Winston is still owned and forty, nine percent of leagues. Here's a matchup with the worst or second worst, but probably the worst defense in the NFL he's going to be awesome running. Get him like you're trying to get your hands on some crab legs. Steal from your waiver wire in Chris Godwin is like fifty percent owner less little less than fifty percent. Another guy I'm going to be looking at anything else. Anything else? Moments, new. He's been going three games and he has the, I think, I think is opponent is the Tampa Bay, right? I don't know if they give the most fantasy points the wide receivers, thirty first. Okay, who's not who's Steelers may his falcons there? It is. All right. A lot appoints a lot of wide receiver production there it. What about Robbie game for a one week fix? I don't have much interesting. I love the matchup against Indy. I think he can have another big touchdown catch. Yeah. Yeah, he's like the sixth or seventh receiver for me. He he could. There's boom bust potential there, but he could get four targets and catch two balls for twenty ours as well. Could will also be looking at Mark has vowed this gambling and shallower leagues. We looking at Tyler Lockett and Cameron bright was mentioned, not sure it's a great week for DS DST, but we'll we'll talk about the Packers. Okay. All right. Get the Packers Packers. Fac- San Francisco. Yeah, just saddles defense stinks. So as Oakland's often, occas often stink. Dare you so up into how dare offer he dares? Not true. I mean there middle of the pack and fantasy points allowed to to DST's. The problem is that the teams that are the absolute worst give up the most points, the are facing opponents that have the that are widely owned like, so that's that's just like the Texans. Actually, I think are seventy four percent and they get the bills. So that could be one that you look at. But if there are not owned, you know, you can't get the best dreamers. 'cause blah, blah, blah. I don't make any sense. And I think it's tough to answer fab questions as you get later in the season because it really you don't have a full budget anymore, but people are going to go big and Dave said, like thirty thirty percent of your budget on Smallwood or Clement, whatever. If you put thirty dollar bid on small Smallwood, which would you would you put a thirty dollar bit on Clement two or twenty five or what? I just I don't think it's reason and maybe there will be some weeks where you can, but I don't think most leagues that's going to get it done thing. You think they'll. Be somebody in every league that just goes seventy said. Hog wild on Wendell small would do you know I cut him in one of my leagues on did, and I was gonna pick him up and I didn't so so screwed if for not helping me, screw me. Should've j. for his ACL. It's true. 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So you're gonna get qualified candidates and you're gonna get them fast. You can try it for free at ZipRecruiter dot com. Slash f f t that is recruiter dot com. Slash f, f t ZipRecruiter the smartest way to hire got a lot of news and notes. Let's get to it. Brandin cooks, and Cooper Cup have a chance to play this week, wonderful. If they don't play this week, should the Jared Goff owner sit Jared Goff at Denver and make alternate plans. James is out there. You can go get him. There's no other quarterback that's available and even thirty percent of leagues that I would start overall. Okay. We got Aaron Rodgers who came away from Sundays. I mean he's gonna play, but he had more niece onus. So that is discouraging at least my opinion because I was pretty incurring by his health. And now I, I would expect he's going to have knees soreness after every game this year. Adrian Peterson dislocated his shoulder. He only played two snaps in the second half. They got Carolina coming up Chris tops and hurt his ribs. We haven't talked about Somalia p. right. We did last week. He picked him up and a couple of our deeply. I did. I beat the waiver wire, you knew mention him and beat the waiver wire. Nice work. Is anybody looking to pick him up with both Redskins running backs getting in this game last night. Nope. They're playing Carolina with Thomas Davis coming back. Yeah, it's not a good match up at all. He's the consolation prize to the consolation price plus their fourth behind the heels running backs in Alfred more eighty. Fifth or sixth at Peterson, thinks he's gonna play a so we don't know what's up with Chris Thompson. Paul Richardson left with injury last night saints cornerback Marshon Lattimore level with a concussion as he goes into the by week map. Rita has amid ankle sprain. He's doubtful for this week's game at Green Bay on Monday night. Baltimore could go running back by committee could go, well, what are they doing? They, they. You know what happened? John John Harbaugh talked about giving possibility of doing exactly what they've done for the entire season. Yeah. Cool, but extending it for the entire season. It was good news for Alex Collins owners. And the Steelers according to the Pittsburgh post gazette is more like speculation. They could go more of a committee when Levy on bell returns. If he returns m. Mike McCarthy will not commit to more work for Aaron Jones, which is, would you drop Aaron Jones for an eagles running back? I would not know, but I would drop Jamal Williams or time Montgomery, yes, yes. Green Bay sticky with Mason. Crosby Leonard Fornet is expected to miss. This week's game at Dallas. Austin very Jenkins is on. I r Jacksonville could be on its third straight left. At a third string left tackle Jacksonville, guard injure norwell is playing through a foot injury and center. Brandon Linders blame through a knee injury. This team is extremely banged up. Evan Ingram has a chance to play this week. It seems unlikely as they have Philadelphian Thursday, but Ingram has a chance to play. He's like seventy three percent owned something like that. Darius Leonard Indianapolis, linebacker expected to play this week. That's great for you. ID peers and BUSTER screen jets cornerback left with a concussion on Sunday. He's actually Tremaine Johnson's replacement, so they're going to be thin at cornerback if he doesn't play against the colts, then recorder back Adam Jones has a leg injury. Do you expect the following players? Lamar Miller against buffalo. I expect him to be active. I don't expect them to start. I Blue's another guy could pick up Dalvand cook against Zona. Nope. Marla mce the jets he's practicing, but he practice last week. He was inactive. So no reason to think he's gonna play at this point. Mar, the MAC sixty two percent t y Hilton at the jets. Same thing. Let's see if he practices. I, I don't expect them. They're talking about this being a multi weekend. Jerry. How about Randall Cobb and Geronimo Alison, Monday night. I think Alison probably plays were not ranking of yet because protocol, but I don't expect Cup about George kiddle. George to play the game knee injury. So hopefully is. Okay. And Greg Olsen. Yeah. Okay. All right. To play. Have the get the rest game off so then he can be good next week. Quick sneak peek at the waiver wire, some quarterbacks that we're gonna be talking about. James. James Baker Mayfield. Yeah, maybe not so much for this week but, but after that schedule. So this I run away from this week chargers do allow the ninth most fantasy points quarterbacks, then it's at Tampa Bay at Pittsburgh, Kansas City and Atlanta. Are you serious? Baker Mayfield running back. Who else are we going to be talking about. Mike. Hines, Alfred blue Frank gore about Janta form. Players be stashing or starting. There's always running back to be able on the way. Wide receiver wide receiver. Envious. MVS. Robbie Godwin's new. Oh, KiKi q t Drake, one trae Quant Smith. That's another one by weekend. We'll be back. Hey, how we feel about. I feel I'm mad at myself for for letting you guys talk me into Michael Thomas over at Tonio Brown recipes. I mad at myself for should have done it. Yeah, you should have done it. Who would you guys take recipes at Tonio Michael, Thomas Brown. I'll stick with Thomas good conviction. Thomas will be fine. What else? Tight end who we looking at title Cameron break. There are a lot of good options tied in, say a name that's not on the list, but Niles poll Jenkins out for a while looks like will be the Levy Levy at nine targets against the chiefs. Everybody had nine targets against not US. How about save the drama for CJ Zomba. Nice. Yeah. There's also hookah going against the best matchup. Tampa Bay allows the fantasy points. The quarterback two tight ends. I believe if not banks. Quarterbacks. I saw that have screwed that I think might be tight ends as well. Let's take a look. Did I screw that up? Adam? Did you screw that up? Did the Vance McDonald play that probably the buccaneers do allow the most fantasy points tight ends. I win and Jeff Suame actually led the Cowboys in receiving on Sunday night with three catches for fifty five yards. So I don't know if they're a great options out there, but there are. The we're talking about Packers Seahawks. Also the Cowboys Texans and any ID guys for ya. You gotta get ward. You gotta get dens award. If he's available. Asked me five minutes on the base. All right, Dave. I will ask you at five minutes. In the meantime, let's preview new are, let's recap, New Orleans, forty-three Washington, nineteen. Jamie, what are your thoughts on the Redskins offense going forward? No, that's what they did in the game. Jordan Reed is the only one that you could feel comfortable with. If Thompson and Peterson hurt you missed your cell. Hi window on Peterson, because there's no more by weeks. No more arrests. There's no more opportunities where you can feel comfortable starting him as anything more than a flex depending on what the week we're talking about, but just a blanket statement, I think that's where fall and Thomson, I think will still have value in PR, but this receiving court. Thanks. No, I thought without dachshund playing what's lot receivers had done against the saints that James and Crowder would have a big day. He led them in receiving, and it was just another mediocre performance. So Alex Smith is -able easily all these receivers of job -able and you may not have Thompson or Peterson week, six. So we'll see what happens. But I have no interest. Brilliant p rounder bibs if those of the replacement options. Okay. As well. While said Jordan Reed though, I mean he's no one catch for twenty one yards on. Target at Terry's really having a bad year. He's having a bad year. Vern Davis got more targets for him and caught more passes. And I think he played more snaps in the first half in the second half read was in more. There are a lot of place where both of them were in. I don't understand it. I don't know if this is just like Alex Smith remembers his glory days with Fernan Davis in San Francisco, and so he's looking to him, I or what it is, but. I hate the whole Jordan Reed situation. I don't feel comfortable starting in this week. I'm going to have them in the top twelve, but I don't like it. I mean, I guess there's certainly potential for better. Look. Smith has good track record tight ends. He's probably the most talented receiver on the team. They've gotta get him the ball, and sometimes guys just have bad starts. So as Jordan Reed owner in several leagues, I don't wanna drop him, but I'm certainly sitting in for Ibran. Cameron break this week. For the saints. So do you think that they will? Okay. Like drew Brees had an amazing game, but he only twenty nine passes he completed twenty six of them. Did we get a glimpse into life with Mark Ingram in this game or or no, you know. 'cause like breeze with twenty nine pass attempts that's really low Camaro with a very, very reduced role tastes hill is going to be a pain in the butt for all of the saints that you own. If he starts taking, continues to take goal line carries away. Did we get a peek into what? What it's going to be like with Angra back. I mean, maybe, but you mentioned the schedule coming up. I don't think they're gonna have the luxury of just doing whatever they want to and playing with such lead against some of those teams that are clearly better than Washington. Yeah, so I don't. I don't know if I mentioned they have a bye. You said you said, I think in regard to. Ingram Camaro one of the this was well, let me give the schedule by at Baltimore at Minnesota Rams at the Bengals than the eagles. That's their next six weeks youth. This was a bit of a freebie for the drew Brees owner, because if you had told me was throw twenty nine passes against Washington, I would assume that he wasn't going to be very good fantasy. I do think think this was an exaggerated glimpse like this is not what we're going to get, but it shows you the floor in terms of passage hymns for breeze and touches for Alvin Kamara since you're saying, so do you think is a good time to sell ju- breeze or would you be free to do that since he's been just incredible this year, I think it's a bad time to sell them because he has a by I song because he has a by. It's a great time to sell because he has a by. It's a great year to sell people on buys now, heat it, this, you'll worry about what the other person's doing. You sell them. I worry about what I'm going to get him right. Well, easier to trade for a quarterback. You can use this. You're only selling issue. Getting something great for them. And I'll just go back to a point that I made a million times which is not everybody plays in a league with us, and there's a lot of people that see what drew Brees is done in. They're gonna go, ooh, that would look good on my fantasy team. I'll give you, you know, an amazing running back or a good running back into good wide receiver form and replacing drew Brees while in. I mean you take number wise AAC breeze. Take a hit. You take all day for breeze, went to there. Yeah, I going for hiding deal. I'm not saying you shouldn't trade him because he's got a by saying, generally don't get as much trading guy that's on a by. I okay. So take the buy out of the equation. And I'm in this kind of what I was talking about last week with our homes discussion on the Wednesday showed you Reza's the number two quarterback in fantasy right now. Kenny Goede is a wide receiver. Great, but is it really that easy of a call to give up the number two quarterback in fantasy for a wide receiver? I mean, I happily, I don't know. I'm not with. I'm not quite there. I mean the the same conversation we had last Wednesday. I know what I'm saying. Not you're getting a. Equally good receiver to what breezes as a quarterback you make that trait in heartbeat, I don't. I would say that golladay has receiver is as good AS Roma's quarterback. Mike, I think my question Adam would be because like if you looked at it last week and we got four or five quarterbacks that are scoring, thirty fantasy points game. I don't want to give that up and you look at those four or five quarterbacks this week. Two thirds of them were awful in terms of fantasy production. This, let me ask you this because this is based on the ownership. If you could trade, drew Brees for pick a player and pick up James Winston. So trading breeze to get starter capable star quality, starter superstar, whatever you level you're giving breeze for one for one or in a package deal, and then it just pivot to a guy who could be, you know, seventy five percent of what breezes. Yeah. I mean, yes, I do that. The thing is I also feel like breezes is not going to be the number two quarterback and fantasy going forward. That's that's the biggest part. Yeah, but right. That's the thing. That's why I'm asked about the sell high because I don't if he's throwing twenty nine passes, but if throw thirty five passes yet. But Mahomes Mahomes is not going to continue to produce the level you've been producing. So that's why you're selling high on those guys. I know. But I still, I guess I've always sort of felt like the the elite quarterbacks are more valuable than you guys think they are, but all right, who are the elite quarterbacks. To me, they are homes Rogers, Rothlisberger. Brady. I don't know about it a four point passing touchdown league. I'm not sure about that, but six. Yeah, he's just as good as robbers were should be. I'd rather spur the Brady in a four point for passengers routes. They're. I mean, they're the same. It's better a better player. Yeah, I don't know about that. Really hasn't been this year where all ready sour on Cam into Sean. By the way I step 'love' want this Watson on four point for passing. Touchdowns. Ease mazing. Yeah, Watson, in four point is definitely with Cam and that Ryan. I mean, I wanna say, but I got a good game on the road. I don't know. I don't know. The other positions are so I, I think the part of it is, would you put luck there too? I is. No, because he's throwing one hundred twenty passes the last part of them. He's not gonna throw sixty passes a game. I guarantee you forty five. Yeah, he is. And and if you through forty five, he'd be good, be good. Very good would be elite. I think part of it though is coming. We are collectively coming off a week where the streamers let us down the stream and a lot of quarterbacks lettuce time league. I know it was last week, I think actually fairly good all the guys that were. Yes. The guys that had been bad so far we're good. The guys that we didn't graduate is elite. We didn't have in our top live waterbeds guys. We had ranked, you're starting Rogers every week. That would be the point you're starting. Russell starting does other guys every week. Last week felt a lot like two thousand seventeen week to me. Last week was the first week where it felt like we escape the craziness of two thousand eighteen the bonanza two thousand eighteen to went back to the Costanza not the normal of the normal fantasy football weeks. So felt like to me anyway. And that's probably an anomaly of we'll get more scoring going forward. I Houston nineteen Dow's sixteen another overtime game. The Andre Hopkins, although spin moves entre fifty one yards. Very impressive. Yeah. What's your takeaway here about Alfred blue? Dave? I've thought he did a terrible job. Rushing the football averaging little more than two yards per carry, but he had eight catches eight targets. Eight catches for seventy three yards completely unexpected and really different like you don't. You'd never saw Shawn Watson leaning on his running back. So. Much in the passing game like he did and this one and sure plenty of check down, short passes, dump, stuff like that. They can't lock it all. They didn't do that for Lamar Miller. Like that's exactly what you're supposed to do with Lamar Miller. They didn't with him, but they did it without blue. It's mystifying another bad running run defense, fantasy wise without John leader. Yeah. And I feel like. Or your money back deep into. Yeah, I don't feel like they. They give up a lot in the passing the running backs. But let's let's see if I'm right about that. 'cause I think Barkley had like fourteen catches or something and well, I don't know anyone else. I wanna know how healthy willfuller was. Yeah, that's so that that's a big story here because Cutie had fifty one yards and a touchdown. Seven targets willfuller at two catches for fifteen yards on three targets and he played ninety six percents of the snaps. We'll four. Cutie played seventy. One percent of the snaps that's. For for me for somebody who's big on willful or has will fuller and some league's little nerve wracking that Cutie is now been good two weeks in a row hundred yards the previous week and could could take away. I mean, we just talked about Houston, can't block anyone. Cutie right now is running more of the types of routes quarterback would target and a situation where he's running for right, where you've got to go and work around that off next of line. He's going across the field work in the site and he's got speed to boot. All right. So that's yeah, that's our sorry. I do our we basically down on willfuller or we in the wait and see mode. Wayne's e okay. Yeah, I I think you're probably still starting this week. All right. Well, I al- streak is over them. Maybe the price goes down on fan duel. Maybe we'll throw will fuller in our lineup against the Buffalo Bills. Take look and now is your listen is important people. So last chance to get a twenty dollar bonus on your first deposit on fan dot com. Slash f f t. starting tomorrow, Wednesday, the tenth. It's gonna be a five dollar deposit, which is fine. That will still get into our weekly contests, which is back to a five dollar contests this week. But if you want that twenty dollar bonus, if you're new user, you haven't made a deposit yet on fan dot com. Go to fan dot com. Slash f f t make it a posit and get twenty extra dollars. Do it today or tomorrow get that five dollar bonus. But that's the URL you want go to. 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So while the guys that are available in two-thirds of CBS leagues. Defensive line. Leonard Williams said, good games back to back weeks jets defense during to play a little bit better. Gino Atkins is the one who we'll talk about who's the most owned at thirty two percent. He's typically good despite him being a defensive tackle, and to Shaun hand go take a look at him for Detroit. He's actually it's nice numbers for defensive lineman. Last two weeks touchdown maker. Jerome Baker with the dolphins. He's earned a bigger role in that defense. He's available in ninety. Six percent of CBS leagues should be good for the rest of the season. Divine Kennard in Detroit also is put our maybe Canard Canard you're right. I'm Markus may went under the radar because he was hurt to begin the year last week, huge game against Denver and colts up next at love him as a defensive back safety, the other safety for the jets and last, but not least dematei. Casey z. I think it's Casey, Casey, got he got a jacket earlier this year, right? He did get addicted early. Yeah. Mark you, he's he's lots of notoriety around him, but at least twelve fantasy points. Leaks tackles count each of the last two weeks available in eighty four percent of CBS's. Did you say Denzo word? I know I sent him earlier in the show now because you said him yet. Nineteen percent on this guy is a playmaker. I mean, it's tough with Cornerbacks. You know, you kinda need them to make a play, but he does make plays that. He's been awesome in three out of five weeks acceptable in one week and he had a bad game against Oakland in week four, but that's fine. Denzel were nineteen percent on awesome. Rookie defensive back for the Cleveland Browns and Avery Williamson. Did you mention every Williamson? I did not. He's actually thirty three percent. Oh, and so you might not be able to get him, but he is eight, six and seven tackles jets linebacker in his last three games. Eight, six and seven tackles. So a solid dependable ID player. All right now it's time for the quarterbacks. James Winston forty-nine percent owned. He's got nice weapons to play around with. He's got the falcons. They allow the third most fantasy points a quarter. Four straight quarterbacks scored twenty seven or more against the falcons in six point passing touchdown leagues, then it's the Browns. Well, we'll worry about that later, but we want Winston for the falcons. Are there any high profile for the falcons game high profile, quarterbacks you are sitting for James Winston this week. He, this is you. Most of them he's he's tough for me. I said to Shawn Watson, I'd sit Rothlisberger and Dalton. I'd sit Goff rivers, wince luck Cam. Okay. Yeah, maybe I'll work my way. I'm with you on all those two. Now, do you feel like Jameis Winston is a must own for the rest of the season or just for this week? I feel like you'll be a top two quarterback from this point forward. Okay. Okay. So now speaking about the rest of the quarterbacks, if you're desperate drew Brees on a by Matthew Stafford onto by, we got bigger Mayfield sixty two percent on, and he's got the chargers this week. And I said they allow the ninth wolves fan, sports quarterbacks. Then the schedule is just incredible for Mayfield at Tampa Bay Pittsburgh, Kansas City Atlanta. But for this week is may feel the top fifteen quarterback not for me. Ally manning with Philadelphia coming up Philadelphia's only two road games. They've been bad against Fitzpatrick and Morio those two road games there about against you. I left. They were bad against light twice, eight hundred passing yards into games against some lesser. Yeah, he threw the ball ton in those games, but yes that that is that I, I would rather have Baker Mayfield on my roster as a bench quarterback. But if I need to start one this week allies. My second favorite streamer. Yup, that's exactly how I wrote it, but I also don't want to stream. I mean, he's not a top twelve guy, right? No, he's thirteen. So let's say cook and Cup. Cookson Cup don't play. The Rams are at Denver. Would you start ally or golf aren't still start ball? I've got caught fire. Okay. Tribus seeing the Broncos run defense. Yep. Have you have you seen manning? Yeah. Twenty three points to last game he does. And you know, look through two picks last week, but they threw the ball downfield. He started taking some shots. I'm so happy that Odell Beckham called out called him out. Now we're gonna. It was a great job bio Obama Trubisky. They're still gonna win the division. Help. Yeah, it's a bad division Mitchell. Trubisky. Miami is his opponent this week. They allow the second fewest fantasy points. A quarterbacks butcher Bisky is coming off a fifty five point game before the by. He's forty two percent owned. Do you feel any need to own Trubisky recipes and no two quarterback leagues on well, okay, fine. But other than that one quarterback leagues now, yeah. I mean, if if you're in a league where Jameson and allies own Derek Carr zones, I would star in this week against Miami. If I had drew Brees on a by when she rather Baker, I'd rather have Mitchell Trubisky. I'd rather Baker okay. And we got case keenum again, like you gotta be. I don't know how that's because the Rams they've been terrible the last two weeks against quarterbacks, three weeks, three rivers at twenty one points. That's terrible. Well, I mean, just in terms of their overall production allowed to quarterback? Yes, it's eight touchdowns no interceptions last three weeks? Yes. I believe for the Rams it and CJ Beth has said to solid games, twenty three fantasy points, twenty fantasy points last two games. His Accoring bay on Monday night. So with keenum in Bethany, got guys are gonna be chasing points. But let's be honest. Most of our fantasy owners are not going to be relying on those guys drop candidates. Alex Smith, Blake Bortles, Derek, Carr. What about Carson Wentz? How drop Ables Carson Wentz you know, just playing it week by week. He's got the giants this week on Thursday. I'd rather have Jameis. Oh yeah. Yeah. All right. But let's say. Let's say you don't have. Let's say you can't get James or let's say you wanna get a running back. I mean, how drop -able is Carson Wentz in general ten team leagues. If you wanna drop, Utah, should've done that for the sorted, but he's got twenty three fantasy points in each of his last two games. Yeah, get better. I don't think you should. It's not one of those sick of looking at your face off. My team kind of drops. It's well. I wanna go pick up one of the stud running backs off waivers this week, and the most likely drop candid that won't get picked up. So fast would be my backup quarterback. That's went so by Carson and don't drop Andy, Dalton. I know he had a bad game against dolphins, but love the schedule Pittsburgh at Kansas City. Tampa Bay then a by then the saints. So four, good matchups. Next five weeks, of course, just in defensive. Any new didn't he averaged eight yards per attempt. He had a bad fancy day because his team score two touchdowns. Yeah. Two running backs. So there are three guys who are owned in more than sixty five percent of leagues that we haven't mentioned throw in nine high high sixty six percent owned, but the three that I was gonna talk about to us Allen seventy nine percent to Rico and seventy nine percent below Powell seventy seven percent. Who's your favorite there? If you saw divorce Allen to Rico ball, Powell on your waiver wire. I'd go after Cohen. I because I think he has the most upside from week to week go. Pile Powell, be third for me, believe it or not those Powell Colin to fourth Allen. I go Powell cone out the reason I don't say buckling by the way to sober it was just in case you're looking for him on your waiver wire and you can't find him. His name is Joris spelled Joris, but if they know that by now. So are any of those guys three cone or power Alan better in your mind, pick up then an eagles running back? No, maybe over sproles but not over Clement or small. I was just thinking of the top two guys. Right. All right. So small would Clement Alfred Morris. We've talked extensively about them other running backs, naive, high again when they trail. He said five or more catches in four or five games. He had one catch at Washington, and as I recall they were, they were leading. They were not playing from behind that game. Ronald Jones had ten carries in week three comes off the bye to get it Lanta this week on the road. Ronald Jones, Mike Davis, twenty one carries without Chris Carson two weeks ago. Twelve carries with Chris Carson sixty eight yards and a touchdown. This week. Last week's us me so Mike Davis is available. The tavis Murray is available. He's got Arizona. Alfred blue, I'll stop there. Let's let's talk about high. Ronald Jones. Mike Davis tavis marine, Alfred blue. Hines is a must start. PP are the probably falls behind a couple of guys from a non Pierre. Which ones. I mean, we're talking about a week to week basis or who's going to be good. The rest Jones is not somebody you wanna pick up the start jaundiced someone you wanna pick up similar to what you said about Baker Mayfield at somebody you wanna stash on your bench to see what happens. Because if they come out of there by week with a new quarterback and a change in some philosophy by any stretch, and he becomes a feature guy had a Payton barber. He could be better than the eagles guys be guys based on pedigree. It's a huge leap of faith to say that. But yeah, if you just looking speculate on talent and I, it's a good offense. They just have run the ball, any levels, a level of success. But if you're wanting to stash somebody after you try and get one of the eagles running backs, I would stash miles off. Well, that would also be beat the waiver wire guy because Lantis defenses, so awful. If he just catches the ball, he's going to be good. Can it be beat the waiver where a guy on the waiver wire show. It's kind of the purpose. Seventeen running back Jones is thirty three percent. Oh, not many guesses below forty percent owned going into Sunday. Yeah, I j Gye so I'm, I'll be dropping him for for small would for Clement if possible. But I definitely will put in some some claims for Ronald Jones. Like if I, if I don't need to start someone this week, I'm probably going to pick up Jones over certainly over the Avis Murray. But over Mike Davis. Probably if you need somebody for this week, you rather have Murray for, sir. If if cook out and blue and blue if Miller, but if we get to six, seven weeks from now, you man, I wish I Jones. I get, you know, maybe maybe might not giving Marie enough credit because like dalvin cook. Maybe he plays this week. I don't know, but maybe this injury stifles him all year. Is Maria must own guys think it's a great matchup form against Zona the Vikings of proven this year, that while cook is out, they're not giving Murray every single carry. They're using their undrafted running backs mixed in with them and I'll go back to what I said on Sunday all last week. I think Minnesota's a passing team now. Yeah, it appears that way. So I, I've liked Murray. I don't love him. Mike Davis also has a great match of the raiders allow five point one yards per carry. Two running backs and the fourth most fantasy points running back. It's going to be Carson who's the better one of the two obvious. Yeah, but you know, do you think you'd get twelve carries for Mike Davis? You could? Yes, eight to ten. All right. So look, you might get like a floor, four or five fancy points in maybe touchdown who knows. The forms stash Jalen Rashard how much better is naive Hines, Jalen Rashard NPR. Significantly because Hines gets that workload on a weekly basis. Yeah, I think there will be weeks where Rashard is very similar to him, but I don't think it's this week because I think it's probably a pretty close game with Seattle guy here. The catches by week for Jalen. Machar nine zero six, three, six for Hines. It's like five or more in four out of five weeks. Also Frank gore, I mean, Frank, or is he at twelve carry a guy game at this point twenty last week. We grade eleven. Frank? No, no one's excited about Franko leaper leagues if you're stuck. Yeah. The problem is the bears allow less than three hours per capita running backs. The few second fantasy points running back, so it's bad. Matchup Kyle use chick involved in the passing game. He's one percent own mar, the MAC, I, I don't know. I don't not sure if you're planning on writing about Marla MAC, Jamie, he sixty two percent owned. I wasn't to on purpose because he's thinks he stinks. If the help while he can't stay healthy, that's for sure. Again, I mean, that's that's to me is like Ronald Jones category type player, Marlon back. You're wishing and hoping. But if you just lost the JiJi and you need to burn a roster spot south the worst idea, I hope they wait two more weeks and then he's a full, go at Oakland and then he gets a bye to recover from that game. Well, I hope that place this week you can drop Gye. You can. I guess, if you need to drop geo, he's out one, two, three more weeks. Jamal Williams pain, Barbara, Duke Johnson Rashad penny these guys are drop -able to the wide receivers. All right. So I got three guys who are more than sixty five percent of leagues are. They must own keeling coal Dede Westbrook Tyler Lockett. They're not must owns lock. It has proven to be big player bust. I think you said the same thing for Westbrook. Cole has been a disappointment. I thought he'd be so much better. Just the target shy thought the breakout game was going to be against the patriots and that he'd be now floor of eight fantasy points the rest of the way shame on me for trusting Jaguars receiver. But you know, microbes had good games and. Davies had a couple of decent games along the way, and it's going to be a different guy each week Bortles. I don't think in support multiple receivers on a consistent basis. I still think. And there are some guys that I'm excited about having on my roster on the waiver wire for the most part, I would start these guys over the receivers you can get in the way of this week. You would start coal Westbrook unlock it over Godwin sununu MVS. I mean, I I'm excited about the potential of Chris Godwin, but we're actually we're going to have to see it after the bye with James to there's still three wide receivers Cameron break there. So. I don't feel comfortable starting this week. I want to own him. I wanna have my bench. I don't wanna start Chris Cullen. I do. I don't mind sorting them. How risky is it to pick up Marquez Valdez scantly. Ten percent. I lowered him a little boneless. I gave you that. And so he's like fifth or sixth, right? Because we don't know how long this is gonna last for he made good on this opportunity against Detroit, but Allison's on the way back, he'll play before scant Ling and cobble play before NBS as well. So if you're if you're prioritizing him, could be a waste of a waiver pick KiKi cutesy Chester, Rochester Rogers. Okay. Yeah, I think underrated here to strike very much eight catches on eleven targets. Right? So he's Indianapolis a slot receiver, but he's not a great one as you. If you watch the game against the patriots, you saw drop the big pass. Couldn't come up with a touchdown on another throw from luck. He's one of those guys where he needs to get that consistent volume and needs to make sure he doesn't drop asses anymore the way to lose his job. But as long as he's in that slot role again, another team with some offense of line shoes and Lux throwing a ton. So by virtue of those things, he's going to get a lot of work and he's got a great matchup provided he stays in the slot against the jets on Sunday. The jets have allowed a hundred yards to wide receiver in four or five games this year and yet Chester Rogers two straight games with eleven targets in eight catches sixty six yards last week eighty five yards in week three. I struggled when Ryan grant always better anger at the same exact number of targets. Same exact number of catches grandma's more yards this year and he's only scored touch the recent production that certainly started swinging Roger. Favorite grant had the big one. It's been disappointing since it. He had two more targets last week. I, I go back and forth a good chance that we're saying writing grants the better when a week. Six. It'd be Dante mal. Krief at seventy six yards on fifteen target. Six catches at Kansas City. They're Taoist this week is either best receiver not in terms of who he is, but production. What if he gets fifteen targets or tin, sin other week? What was it? What two weeks ago was five. Five cats. Third are my loan targets. He had five targets. Five catches one hundred nine yards in touchdown against the jets and week four Dante Moncrieff so too good games in a row to touch three or five games. I mean the last the last three games are exactly what Jacksonville is right now because three weeks ago Keelan cola team with nine two weeks ago. DD let him with thirteen last week. Moncrieff let him with fifteen. It's another week though where I think that there are these wide receivers who are just barely owned. I mean, seduce forty-one percent. Godwin's forty, nine percent owned, but Cutie thirty. Eight vow the scheduling, ten percent Chester Rogers, nine percent Dante Moncrieff sixteen percent. And honestly. All all many of the guys that we talked about last week. We're good at least usable. So other guys that we haven't talked about yet, we Dave lakes, Robbie Anderson this week, Christian Kirk is twenty percent owned. He's at Minnesota. I don't know. I'm not buying in yet or still deeply Kirk deeply. There's one guy forgot to mention just because a lot of guys, obviously Taylor Gabriel nineteen percent of I would in the rearranged order that haven't here. I would put him fourth on the list behind Godwin's new duty and ahead of now this gamble, he's going to be bigger NPR the non because of the volume that he gets a lot of short targets that if he can't break away for a long gain, he'll be disappointed with the yardage. So I like him better in PR. Targets have been fantastic. Targets happened in the catch us have been to. Target in that let every reason game and he was when he was Atlanta. The Garo gets like one maybe two every week, but most of them are short. He's also facing dolphin secondary that they, I thought the Bengals did a great job moving age, agree in the slot to avoid exhibiting our and you would assume Robinson get the most of our this week. Okay. We got Christian Kirk, Cameron Meredith by the way that whole last conversations about Taylor. Gabriel camera Meredith who had a nice game last night, but is on a by trick wants myth. Three catches on your eleven yards. Two touchdowns but outta by Antonio Calloway is fifty percent. You like him better than Rashard Higgins. Well, Higgins is probably definitely out already has an MC l. spring. The way that I'm phrasing it in the column, and I would just look at it this way is if you're looking at the Browns schedule and they do not add anybody, then Calloway is gonna get back in the good graces. I would assume of the Browns coaching staff, but they're most likely gonna sign retard Matthews this week. So if you wanna take a flyer on some receiver in a deeper league, look at retard Matthews in case he does sign by Wednesday. Most likely transactional happen today, though, Tuesday, Trent Taylor e q Saint Brown sharp Matthews. David Moore, Josh Reynolds. Anybody putting claims for Trent Taylor q., Saint Brown Rashard Matthews. David, Josh Reynolds, if cooks in Cup were both out this week that I think Reynolds would be a good guy to have. You have been on the Reynolds bandwagon and it's never paid off, but I still think he's good. Good receiver. I with a great opportunity ibis. The reports we got on Monday was neither cooks or Cup had any symptoms from their concussion, which makes it seem like there. Probably gonna get to the protocol tight ends evident David joking when Greg Olsen are owned more than sixty five percent of leagues Ingram. Ajoku Olson. Who would you prioritize their Olsen? Nope, angry. All these guys stink. I'll take the one who has played better the past two seasons than the over the hill tight end. They can't Ingham's play the past two seasons, Evan Ingram better than Greg Olsen. So in in his rookie, no, this year last year. Olsen Olsen was really bad last year when he came back from the foot injury. I'm good what's happening really to good games including the playoffs. But the other games like he didn't. He hadn't had more than twenty seven yards in his other like five games or something like that, but I would rather than all of these guys. Well, if you're streaming in I- tons of cents cameras rate over Greg Olsen was like, I, I was a little concerned about also coming into the year because they injuries and whatnot. But gosh, they're receiving core is so bad, and they've got a throw to him. I don't know if the have to. I I hope they do and I think I I can't start him this week and I don't like carrying two tight ends. We talked about seventy five wide receiver stayahead and fifteen running. Right, right. So here's the thing. We don't know if we can start Greg Olsen yet if he goes through three practices, then what's the harm we just it. It sounds like he could come back this week, but I'm not sure if he's. The more rising to do reentry risk in the fact that he has one game with more than thirty three yards since two thousand sixteen right? Which is why I'd rather have Ingram on my bench gave stack winning firm to come back because he did it in the play. He had a hundred yards of the playoffs. But if we're comparing Olsen debris this week, I think I like break better it. I mean, Olsen I don't think we can just write him off as a guy that won't play this week. I may you differently too. I is for as long as Jay Howard is out. I think he's a top ten tight end, regardless of who is playing sure. What about what about hookah? Would you start him over? Olsen Olsen plays, yes, I would Hooper we, we talked about it. You know, miss just misses touchdown. Two weeks ago had twelve targets. Nine catches seventy seven yards last week at Pittsburgh. He he is a guy that lets you down when you when you out. But tight end is tight end hated her CJ Zoema Jeff, Suame and Ryan Griffin are on this list. Discuss. This community Ozama now gets another tied another the way telegraph dessert. Yeah, he's my. He's my favorite of this group for this week. I, I hope that we see Hayden her secretary ramped up a little bit this week. Mine too. But I still like Suame. I like the role that he's gotten this Dallas offense. All right, DST's. So I mentioned Houston there seventy four percent on have the Niners been bad against the last two weeks. 'cause Beth has been a lot better. The charter nearly two defensive touchdowns against them. That's true. Okay. So maybe down Moncrieff down another running back. I mean, I, I know alpha Morris has this great opportunity, but it's offered Morse in Lamba. Yeah, Monday night has it Oakland Cowboys Cowboys. Jaguars pretty interesting to me without beat up the Jaguars line. Linus the number three. TLC NFC is still only forty percent. The Browns, the charters just been so efficient. They have been, but road game going east, maybe. But the charge know how many teams have had ten or more fantasy points. The TS ten charges this year. I would assume zero zero is the correct answer well-done IQ, but they play a lot of crappy defense, though the chiefs, the Rams. The Rams from the bra. The Rams were not a crappy defense when they played them while they were why crappy defense all season, the Rams the Rams can't recipes her. I don't know if they're crappy defense though. I mean they have a lot of big names. They just have been a crappy defense. I dunno, I thought the first three weeks pretty solid and then to leave got hurt Peter's playing her one game against the cardinals. Would you like to know where they rank. Because they were crap the last two weeks. So all I always Philp rivers had an okay game against them. They are ranked fifth among the with sixty fantasy points one point more than the Jaguars and I also think that they ram fourteen point four points against the chargers ESPN's played well, their defenses Guisti the last two weeks. It's been horrible, right? But they, but they that the the chargers Vikings daddy's such a useless. Speak of useless discussion. James three, kicker streamers or Ryan suck up Cairo. Santos and Cody. Parkey. Fair Bayer. Good every week you seem to like him. Nobody. I like Mason Crosby guys looking for the bounceback. Hey, yeah, you never can steal some points. Got revenge game for kicker to, oh, who's that? Cody? Parkey and Jamie writes five thousand words of week on kicker. 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Episode 181  Whats a Recreational Property Really Like?

Casual Fridays REI

17:38 min | 10 months ago

Episode 181 Whats a Recreational Property Really Like?

"Welcome to the casual Fridays. Rei podcast where you'll learn about the wildly profitable Mitch of Land Investing Active Lane Investors Adam Southie and Justin sleep while are here to share their experiences with you so that you can learn how to build a massive cash flow and huge profits from this highly lucrative niche so without further ado here your host Adam Southie and Justice Leva. Hey what's up guys? I'm Adam Southie he with my co-host Justin's Liba and this is the casual. Fridays are podcast. Today we're GONNA be talking about what Recreational property really is from the guys who are just out there looking at their land before. Do that though. The Plum Investment Group haven't talked about them and while so do you have. A property need funding for plumbing. Investment Group is your solution. Plum helps land investors. Grow their business by funding. Your raw land deal chilling awesome deal guys and just to be clear. It's not alone pummel actually partner with you by putting up the money for your project so do yourself a favor. Check him out the websites www dot plum investment group dot com. Hey what's up recreational property like? It's a good time to talk about. As far as I know. We're the only ones that in the podcast. Fear they get out and look at the property. Yeah I mean that's maybe there's a few that might in the podcast podcast beer. Yeah I think so I think on the Dome I can think of. I don't think some that do though but yeah I mean that's an interesting phone call with this yesterday. He called me off a letter but I don't think he knew that he called me off the letter. 'cause he called. Pat I and they gave me his number and then so I called him back and left a message and then he called me back and he went on and on and on about some deals that he done and it was really interesting to me because this guy had stories and he knew everybody's names and like it was just it was surreal to me because I felt like I was talking to Future Justin. So this is what it felt like. He was telling me about his first land deal with just to be clear to everyone listening. This is Justin version of Guacamole on pizza. Yes in this guy. He's a he's very successful. He had three public companies. Taking public sold them made Bouza money. But you know he was a seventy three year old guy that was just kind of made his way any always went back to land and so I've made him a letter on some property he had and he called me back from that and so his claim to fame which we he told me about and I could bring it up. It's not anything that's not public. He was the guy that started. The fire would movement at the seven eleven so him in another guy him and his brother actually went up to. They bought some property. They bought an apartment complex right next to DFW airport while it was being built when it was completed. The roof was leaking robot. And it's a flat roof. And he put a picture on it so he started going in and buying old flat roof apartments but embiid troops on it. Well he he had the opportunity by like eighty five hundred acres in the watch atoll national forests near it and he traded an apartment complex for eighty five eighty eight hundred acres up there and when he drove up there he didn't know anything about buying land. He just knew that he had eighty eight thousand plus acres and he was gonna be rich and he had to build a road so what he did is the road. They couldn't get eighteen wheelers in it so he started having what they call temperatures people that go on this middle of the night. Side of the road cut timber that they're not supposed to cut take it to the mill. He had them and he said Hey. Just cut the timber along this line me road and so they would go sell the timber and he gave me okay to do that so he had his road up there. He cleared off a bunch of other but they took that firewood made it firewood off. The smallwood made it firewood. Bundled it up and took it to a seven eleven. They brought two and a half tons of wood down like a week before Thanksgiving one. Nine hundred seventy one and it snowed on Thanksgiving Day. They were selling them for three ninety nine a bundle so small amount of wood and only his cost was labor and so they sold out in like three days and that blew up into them providing all the timber for every seven eleven in the country they took the public the company public in seventy five. They sold it. And he made twenty million dollars in the seventies ton of money back then so now. He's an oil and gas and he's in real estate. He'd bought a bunch of houses that were on air force bases chop them up moved them and put places that he had land that he'd already bought and turn them into developments. So I mean just really Cool Guy. We talk on of over about two hours guy. Add so much other stuff I needed to do but I couldn't stop listening to a story because he wouldn't give you a chance to say goodbye. Right he just kept talking he he did so when he first told me the first he went through it all once and it was like. Oh man this is pretty cool. You know Mike Man. Thanks for calling me back. You know. I'm like listen. He goes he goes so where yet. And I'm like wait. He's already asked me that and I go in Fort. Worth he goes. You're Dallas's you know anything about else. Yes Sir I do so. He asked me that question seven times and every time he asked me that was the start of the story again and but every time he told the story again there would be like an extra detail or a different person's name added in with a little bit more technicolor. And so I was like I. Don't I think I got other stuff I should be doing but I wanNA keep listening because it keeps getting better and better and better and better I just I gleaned so much information on this I mean? Guacamole on pizza is one that is one nugget of wisdom that we got to take away from that guy this guy. You know the things that he does how he buys he could tell me he buys a lot of stuff from state banks and then reduce the notes and then takes the oil the mineral rights and then die. He has the ability to drill. Shallow wells comes in. He works over with a workover rig so a ton of different ways but one of the things he talked to me about was how to make money five ways on your properties and that was one of his things is that you know you buy land certain ways you can to make money off of it multiple different ways. One of his things was under finance. You pay me cash. But I I'll hold the note and I'll I'll give good interest rate. You know things like that and mineral rights the overrides the the way that he does the wells buying pipeline production or whatever so just tons of information tidbits stuff. My mind was spinning. After this call I mean. Guacamole impedes our to shut it down quick. Because I don't I don't eat guacamole but you couldn't have thought that guy down but it was just. It was cool to me to see this because I felt like I was talking to future. Justin crazy old justin crazy just one day told me about when he met his wife told me about his first car. So I mean I I like it I like it was some What we experience all. Okay that's what the show. The show's about recreational land in kind of plays into that and say. Oh that's recreational land. You know there's only one way to get a cat but there's really not well. This all came to me because we sell this idea by the bass boat property but yeah we have a picture in our mind what that is for me one of the first questions. I had because I'm not. I'm not a hunter and that's one aspect of bass boat is hunting properties. Not only one but swan is. We're GONNA look at these and I'm thinking to myself who drives for miles down the dirt road that's barely driveable. Begin with and I'm like yeah. This is great. Yeah Yeah and you're like. Oh yeah these roads are perfect in my head. I'm going to really cause I don't get it and then you explain one hundred wants as far off as they could get with those less less people coming down there they can get so. I mean think about that if we four miles down a road. That is a lot of times. We'll say is it maintained you know especially on. That's a lot of people are like. Oh It's maintained. There's a may take a in certain areas. The road expectations are different. So would the. I'm trying to figure out articulate this way like in southeast. Oklahoma is a bunch of oil and gas. There's a bunch of timber roads oil and gas roads. That's deeded easement that says. Hey the person when they subdivided his right to ingress egress so you have legal access and the physical pieces is old oil and gas wrote in. Its kept up its driven down. Probably once a day the guy goes and checks all those wells so the idea behind that is chain those lock those gates up the owners can have a key to it but it keeps kind of riffraff and the kids from going back there and playing but like you said going four miles back into the woods. Now the pressure on the animals off. So you're going to get a better quality dear you're gonNA see more wildlife you put a feeder out there. Now they have a place that's got no pressure and food to go to and you do pretty well. They had the properties match. Exactly what we tell you to look for. We were getting a good price or selling the price range. That want very recreational. I'd just never personally. So that is on them after driving down a road like that. Yeah yeah in. I'll tell you on the trip. You know in my head. I'm whatnot. Nice either paved or very nice maintain dirt road to get to it. Yes some of these two miles back. Which God and then all of a sudden give its rocks floods. You name it. Yeah and that's I. Guess in my head when we there was a moment that we drive in by Mike. Well what did you think we were like going to buy? And you're like well that right there and it was a dirt road that had been cut and kept cut by the county and has a big gate and then fence around it and it was like meadow and tree mix. But you kind of see the house after you're like yeah this guy like that with no house and I'm like Oh that's that's really nice is Brab. That's like really improved because that's what I would have been shopping for. Yeah and that's the hard part is out of it because not what I would be. Wanting was the market want. Yeah and that's and that's the I think that's where a lot of people get wrong in the pricing. Because we say you WanNa shop recreational property and then we say go. Look at the as you're going through looking at your cops you're going to look at the pictures and it's going to tell you a lot of what you want to know because they typically put the best picture as thumbnail right so you see this property. Is You know two thousand dollars an Acre and it's cleared out and you could see metal. You see trees but it's really clear underneath and you probably see a bob wire fence. You're like well. They're probably run cattle on it so it's got a little bit more of a value than it would be just thicket. Yeah I haven't had a Mexican obviously about a lot of property never looking at it. I think it made me more nervous to go. Look at it after seeing that. I remember driving to brewster and getting sick. Feeling as we're coming into it but then coming out of Alpine and going down the hills on this really Nice Alpine on that road of the highway there. Alpine runs in detail lingua and seeing the mountains that she's most mountains of me net to me as like okay. This makes sense now. Yeah I wouldn't let my kids playing Mercer County by themselves at six may be two different levels right. We were looking at properties that we're buying for fifty thousand. Yeah the big difference between that and a five thousand dollar. Yeah but also brings on the other type of recreational property because we saw this awesome. I don't know how big the parcel was. But let's just call it a forty because everything else out. There seemed to be a forty s. Twenty or forty with a brand new metal shed house. Yeah with a patio overlooking the mountains. It was probably the best view of anything out there. It was yeah I mean that was a that was a prime example of who you sell this property to and what they do with it and we got an a picture but it was a Okada forty on the side of the mountain about that point was really good access to it. Yeah the home was on stilts it was probably one bedroom or just kind of like studio setup with the bedrooms in the living room. Yeah Yeah so what I want you to. Picture is a metal storage building that goes in like a backyard or you can call it a barn but metal storage building that they finished out and made a cabin. But since it's on the side of a mountain and it's not perfectly level there and it's probably pretty rocky we don't know for fact we didn't go out and do a soil test but the assumption is. It's probably pretty rocky. So what they did. They put it on peers or still if you will. And they custom made it made the House level. Put a deck on it at a picnic table up the deck and. I'm like see that's exactly what I think about when I think about one of these mountain properties and I think about what might my family comes out there on the weekends we get out there Friday night. We Say. Be Two and a half three hours from your house you can drive from. Fort Worth up there and two and a half hours. Get school at three load. 'em Up your there at five thirty. Six o'clock you got everything opened up you start cooking on a campfire and now you're sitting out there watching the sunset over the mounds. It was that perfect property where you sit out on that. That cabin still overlooked the mountains. And the fog role in Agra coffee or something yeah beautiful. That's the dream we've talked about selling the dream and that's it and that whole thing was probably had for price of the property plus that building. They're probably all in under seventy. Oh I if they bought the land for forty five fifty and yeah so like. Let's let's go because we actually look at a property right next which we could do. We could do the same thing to it. There's GonNa be a little bit clearing. I'd say you know and you probably do it yourself if you wanted to. If it wasn't like you were going to buy this property and you didn't buy a retail but the way we buy it think this property were in it for our seventeen five. That building was probably. We have quotes up in that area by somebody will build it for us at would for eighty five hundred bucks turnkey but let's see. Let's say that they had that delivered and they put electricity in it and did some up per so they're probably in it for say fifteen so the way we buy you'd be into this dream property for thirty two thousand bucks the way we buy. I'm talking about at so add. Another twenty thousand fifty five sixty thousand bucks low end for low end. Yeah if you don't double a triple your money you sixty to ninety. Yeah I agree those great. That was a really good one to see because given that view I think it would have been a no brainer to throw a thing on it. Yeah a cabin on it. That's the other part of microbes property because also could never had a cabin on it. I could have been a good hunting property. Yeah one thing for me that I'm really starting to dig and I started to see and we talk about this. We talk about the recreational piece but I think a lot of people forget is a sprinter van or the RV or the camper. I mean an Rv your camper. We saw it on the property next to they had two of them so you could have backed right and just had enough spot to park straight back right in hung out there and have the same view. You just put your picnic table out. Yeah Yeah you've talked about that life. I are that experience. Yeah that was a time where I thought that'd be cool now. I don't know maybe maybe we're shifting roles in our life or something because that's been on my mind like I think if anything were to happen and I had to just like I just decided to fade to black. It's GonNa be me and being maybe the kids and the wife hopefully hopefully them often just enjoying that live just a little bit quieter. And kinda run through that. But I'd say what is recreational property and I always loved answers like well the stuff that you go to recreation. And they're like well. Yeah obviously but he hit you. You go spend time outside you kinda unless you get one in nature because it sounds. Kinda Hippie dippy but you know that's really what you're doing you're going to be one with nature. You're you're hunting you're fishing. You're you know you're riding. Ut You're riding your four wheeler you're getting out of the rat race in the concrete jungle that is our everyday life and he cities INEX- inexperienced in the steam rolling in the sun setting the the the rain on a metal roof or the rain on the tent. Whatever that is experiencing all that and then the only thing that only other thing that stood out to me which I have gaining interest in the last property eighty acri when looked at had a ton of really tall trees. I thought immediately was timber. Yeah yeah I mean eighty acres? There's plenty of tall good looking trees and kind of looking at how much people are getting for timber and how many trucks are running around town. You know I'm interested in Tim for awhile. I just haven't been patient enough not to sell the property. Yeah I I don't know maybe that one if we end up with it just had them come down. Just look at it. Have a timber cruise done on it. Just it doesn't hurt someone. Come by and say yeah okay. We'll do it. It's GonNa be worth this much money to you. I agree with you. I. I'm not disagreeing here. I'm just like yeah I agree. I agree if I'm using your money. I'll just sit on it all day. I'll wait to listen to what I don't know. Is that a long. Is that a long term play. You don't just say hey. Come on give me a look at it. And they say oh. Yeah that's worth a thousand bucks tree and you got two hundred and they say okay sign and they show up the next day or do they have a year or two years worth of due-diligence so I believe everything is a little bit different. Because I don't call it due-diligence diligence because it is a commodity so they may look and say okay. Hey we're at a high market right now. We want to cut it and get it to timber that could be a premium on the type of wood that we have that. They're getting from the mill at that point because they need x amount of this type of wood We have a listener call in case he's his family is in the timber business and you know. We've we've talked about it back and forth and there's more to it than just saying. Hey Yeah I wanNA cut my timber you know you may have pulpwood in there there at a surplus pulpwood right now like we're not touching it but we will cut it but it'll be a little while In different regions the timber. The timber demand going to be different So that's the closeness to the mill. The there's a ton of different things come in there and that's why it's good to have a professional in that area that you can work with but I I do agree that. Yeah it's if you're going to hold it for a little bit you know. I have seen timber rights reserved on properties for two and three years especially in that area to where they'll say. Hey we have from December first of two thousand and twenty until December first of two thousand twenty three to cut this and if you sold during that time you sell it knowing that those timbers reserved maybe collins come on and talk about it. Yeah Yeah I think about sums it up I mean. I think everyone knows recreational property was wanted to really said is on it kind of get a feel for everything that could be done really opens up a door. Sounds good. I guys Wednesday. Hope you enjoyed it and as always go to facebook instagram youtube growing seeing that so go check it out like it was followed in facebook instagram. Leave us a review like subscribe to us all that good jazz and we'll see you Friday.

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In & Out of the Classroom with Dasha, The Curly Clinician, SPT

The WoMed

43:12 min | 4 months ago

In & Out of the Classroom with Dasha, The Curly Clinician, SPT

"All right everybody welcome back to the WO MED this week. I'm speaking with David Smallwood, a physical therapy student at Duke. She is the first PT Student Grace the woman, and this is a great episode for PT Students and anyone considering the physical therapy pathway. So. If you know anyone, send them this episode. We talk student life all things, physical therapy and mental health, and I really hope you enjoy. Has Always it's time for that nursery. Energy and I do have a doozy for y'all. This week's nursery energy comes from student nurse Murtha she writes in so I'm just a nursing student and had an insane moment tonight driving home that I really wanted to share. I was on a four lane freeway when all of a sudden I heard a bang, one car smashed into the other and flew three lanes to the right. The other car was smashed half I immediately through on my hazards and dialed nine, one one, I ran out of my vehicle to get the victims out of their cars in two of them were bleeding from their head. I did a really quick neuro assessment in stayed with them until the paramedic showed up, one girl was beside herself shoes young and terrified, and had a big Gash on her upper eyelid. I offered my hand to her and helped your breath slowly in order to calm down, so the paramedics could check her vitals. Thankfully everyone survived the crash as grateful to have been there and help these girls in a terrifying moment. By the way, a couple of minutes after this happened, nurse drove by and offered to help, I was beaming afterwards, because this is why nurses are awesome and inspire me to keep going in nursing school. Marissa, you are going to be an incredible nurse and I. Don't you ever doubt that? All right well DEJA, welcome to low MED. You guys might recognize her as a curly commission on Instagram and you are very first physical therapy student to join the wall med. Yes, I'm search cited. Thanks for having me I'm so excited. You know I'm like a little extra special excited because I I've always loved the human body. It's so cool and I've always admired physical therapists I've. Dealt with my fair share of them with. Injuries ballet injuries in the whole gamut and surgeries and I was actually between nurse. Ballerina and physical therapist with Lake. I wanted to be. Along. The Ballerina you know from all the physical therapy that I needed kind of. Kind of went away. We're. Okay Hey. We're we're still happy to have you guys nurse. We're all in the medical field together. It's fine, yes, for sure so deja tell me a little bit about yourself. You're a physical therapy student. Yes I am. Between a second year and third year we have our white coat ceremony in about two weeks and we up classes this week, so I mean I guess. Technically a second year, but I'm calling myself at third year, so you know I just am finishing up our first too didactic years, and then next year will be all clinical so. into you know being with patients every day and Being out it out of the classroom in in the hospital or an outpatient setting, so I'm looking forward to that, and then I really have known I wanted to be a physical therapist for a long time ever since I was in high school. My mom worked in a physical therapy clinic. helped. Yes, she helped me. You know. Get with therapist to shadow. I always knew I wanted to be in the medical field, but I did a lot of research into you, not going to be a nurse repeated attrition or pharmacists. I went through a bunch of different. Grew says but once I shadowed the therapists. It really stuck with me once I realized. How much time you spend with your patients. Get to build. Yeah, and you get to. See People reach goals and do things that they never thought. They were able to do so I think that's what really drew me to the physical therapy profession that's amazing and an honesty one of the greatest moments, and it sounds so silly and so small, because it's such a normal movement, but I had a patellar realignment done in high school. And my knee was in mobilizer for a month and for anyone that doesn't know like I could not bend my knee. He could not do anything with it for a solid month and additional member like cheer like my physical therapist, cheering me on when I got on the bike and it was like. Is probably a week or two into physical therapy and I finally I mean it was my seat was pretty high is finally got it to like Ben Enough that I could pedal and it was just it was. Monument is for me and just having my physical therapist there, that was like. Yes, you did it, you buy. The cheerleader I love that. Yeah. There's just there's there's so much that physical therapists can do so your mom worked in a physical therapy clinic. That's amazing. Did you have anybody else in your family? That was in the medical field that you know you kind of like looked up to idolized. Yeah, I have an aunt that is a nurse. So that was really it and my mom. She works in medical billing saw always knew about the medical field and I just knew. I wanted to go into to help people. It was just a matter of. How do I want to do that? Like what does that look like me? Nia So tell me a little bit about physical therapy. School like is that? Is it a doctorate program? It. A most. Almost all the programs right now I. Think are have moved to the doctor so traditionally it's on a three year program, and the first two years are usually strictly didactic in the third year is on all clinical, but some programs vary where you can have some clinical sprinkled into your first two years like I know, we have clinicals in my program while ones, but our main like terminal clinical experiences are our third year. Wow, instill are all the classes focussed around like anatomy, and like how the body moves, or just so I'm just so curious on what the classes. A lot of classes are i. mean pretty similar to you know what A. Physician would learner PA or a nurse or ot or anything like that, so you know we take anatomy first year we take his Yala genie we a bio mechanics, those are the basic classes that we take like during our first semester, and then after that Kinda gets more like into PT, so we take a bunch of interventions courses, we take like pediatrics and narrow, and like older adults so basically any population that you could work with pt we take. That's cool. Yeah, we take. We take basically a little bit of everything. Feel like it's a good. It's a good setup. sloughs going my another question was if it was I mean clearly like now. I know you guys have these clinical sessions, but if it was extra specialties that you had to go through like more schooling, if you wanted to work in the Nikki versus you know like a neuro, ICU or something like that? Yeah, totally so there are. Society that you need to take become certified so just a few different areas you can be certified in orthopedics, pediatrics, which is something. I'm really interested in elvic floor. Neuro, just to name a few, and you can either do a residency program, which is usually a year program through like a hospital system. it's a it's a mix between clinical work and a little bit of like schoolwork, but you're just. You don't have to pay tuition. Usually you just get a pay cut. You can either do a former residency, or you can some of the residency. Some of the licensure exams require you to have worked a certain amount of hours in that setting, and then you could sit for the exam. Oh, WOW, yeah! So what fields are you most interested? So I came into the school. Being really interested in pediatrics still am right now. Pediatrics in women's health are my to like. Go To's and thankfully got clinicals in both of those settings. Yeah I'm so excited and then actually today or yesterday I talked with the pediatric therapists, and I was telling her about women's health and she was. You know down the line. It would be good if you could do. You could do like both, so you could do like mother and you could do baby and I never thought about that, and like now that's like a seed planet in my head and I'm like ooh. Lake long-term goals maybe. I love that that's so fun. You never know lake. Or what advice they're going to instill. That's literally going to. Change Your career path or change your life. Bad like I am really thankful that my program like even though it's been online, they tried. Their heart is to still get good guest lecturers and connect us with so many people in the field like. Immune it's Kinda like we are still in school. We're still getting to connect with them. Meet so many people so I'm just grateful that we still have these opportunities to network. Our classes done then for the summer or right now electives. Second Year so we'll finish tomorrow, and then we'll get a week off. Have White coat, and then we'll be done in. clinicals will start August third. Mike Byrd, the current first years. I'm not sure I think there's a similar to ours bill. Finish up soon and get some time walk for the New Year starts, and then the new class will start as well. Man They just roll you through that. Doesn't stop no and I'm just wondering. I feel like I've been out of college for so long now. I'm like. What are our colleges changing their courses, and like how often people are in classes, 'cause we always you know. We started after Labor. Day and we were done in May, and then we have a whole summer off is starting Labor Day and. Then you're done. Now, everything to ship is so much especially with Kobe like some schools are going back to in person at all, or they're doing like a fifty fifty S. Oh, wow, interesting to see like how each school's choosing to handle. So are your clinicals going to be affected at all like? Do you guys go in with like a your whole? Class for each clinical or is it? A. One on one place in different they clinical settings. Yeah, so these that we have during our third year one on one, so my first one on. It wasn't jeopardy, but they confirmed last week that they're going to be able to have it. Which I'm so excited for. Because it is an orthopedic Public Health Split. It was one that is really looking forward to so I'm glad that back out confirms right now. Feel like the only thing that's going to change is that NASC precautions and having to wear in. Sanitizing and like how many patients are in like a clinic once is really the only thing that's going to be different, but other than that. Everything's the same, which is good. Yeah just taking time and cleaning up cleaning equipment and bolsters and. STRAPS and your bikes and all that stuff I didn't work specifically with physical therapists on an in the nick. You. Just because they were always on day shift, but just looking at like the splints, like following all the directions and stuff for care and stretching and positioning it just it was so fascinating like I just loved that. How just worked so well with what you were trying to do for the developmental care of of new? Yeah we actually got to speak with. One of the leaders in Nicu cared therapy like two weeks ago, and just like hearing her talk was amazing all the things that you can do in the nick you. Of course you have to observe, and it takes a lot of work to be able to get there and a lot of trust, be able to work with those types of patients, but it's just amazing at giving. These babies are like so fragile and I know you worked in the Nicu is just crazy. It like how much you can do, and how much you can affect their lives so early. Oh, yeah, positioning premiums is like my favorite thing on the planet. Nurses she was like I. Have to tell you one thing like the nurses are bomb in. You need to respect them and they not. Like Nikki. Nurses are great. It's just so fun like you. Just you know we have. Little Snug Leigh's and Lincoln roles or positioning beanbags and you just you know you can make it so like you're not like restraining them by any means, but you're making it really difficult for them to get their arm up to their t two or something like. Grabbing things and I mean. All Day like that just sounds like the greatest that. I definitely miss it. Those little on my gosh. Leaders pop though little is open at cheer in there like. The time to eat yet video. But. Now the health the hospital setting it as much as it's. Amazing and I love. Loved my time like working in the Nikki. I'm like. Yeah that emotional toll is. Oh, yeah, L. There. It's a lot and a lot of people. If you haven't worked in the hospital slower as a healthcare provider I feel like you just don't really get it, but once you have you understand NIA so. Are you hoping like with pediatrics to be in? Like working in the hospitals then as therapist. Yeah, that is my goal right now. My third clinicals actually inpatient pedes in they have. A history of hiring their students so. New in that setting, and it's my last slide, so that's that's the goal right now, silence. Across my fingers and toes for you. Sending out all the positive vibes Te'o. What is something about physical therapy that? You know the normal person might not know about it. The fact that you may feel like like a counseling therapist. Patients will open up to you about everything and if you. Make that good provider patient relationship with them. They will tell you things that you probably don't even WanNa know so. I think that that's one of the things you will. If you make those relationships patients, they will trust you, and they will tell you a lot and they will. Like you to now, keep their secrets than. Just like. Listen to them, yeah, a lot of people think that like pt is just all. Let's do these exercises I'll get on the treadmill. Like is just so much more than that. What's your favorite part of physical therapy? So far? I love to talk so just talking to patients is like my favorite, my favorite part building relationships, and you know finding similarities that we have. I asked my favorite part just making those relationships definitely. And to counter that what's been the most difficult part for? In school and about pursuing this pathway. I guess 'cause I tend to be very type A. Just. Being. Okay with the fact that I'm not going to know everything and I'm not going to get it right first time. That was really hard to accept especially coming from like. In High School, where always got like as like didn't really have to study then coming to school in England. Oh, there's all his information and I need to try to get you know the basics like I'm not gonNA know every single detail so I think that is something. That was the hardest the hardest to like a big heart bill for me to swallow. Man I. Bet so I'm sorry I'm just like figuring this out now. You had to do Undergrad and then like applied to PT School Yep. You do four years of Undergrad and on a lot of students apply during their senior year of Undergrad, so they can start pt school on immediately after graduating I applied after I graduated, so I took kind of a year off. And started school after being out of Undergrad for like nine months then peaking programs are another three years so. It's a lot of schooling. Wow. What did you have to study UNDERGRAD TO BE CONSIDERED? Yeah, you can study anything as long as you get the pre recs. Most people study like. Or Exercise Science, which is what I did. I actually enjoyed PC. All G not new sent me well, so that's what I'd said Major and you can literally like. Some of my classmates majored in communications or like neuro me. Honestly I would say to major in something that you think you can accelerate and you bike, 'cause you can get the recs done. Wow, that's so cool. It makes you more well rounded person like you don't want everyone to come from the same background so. No, and then I mean they can all bring their insights from their Undergrad, and you know it's just A. It's like a more well verse meeting Melting Pot of. Of Mines, Bagley! Yeah So. What did you do with your year off? Yes so I moved home, and I just worked I worked retail, which is a job that I had since sixteen, but I was like I need some time off, so I just yeah wome and worked a little bit. I started my blog in my instagram account and you know. I edited essays for Pre PT Students, but mainly I just took the time to rest before school started because I knew that these three years. We're going to be hard and they were GONNA fly by. Cut so important. I feel like as high schoolers graduating seniors are. At least in America, we are pushed so hard down the. The college path like right away you know, and in so many different countries. It's like Oh, you can take a gap year like go and travel. Go Work for a bit. Earn some money. See what you WanNa do because I mean I I feel like I'm. One of the few people that was like now. I know what it'd be nurse. This is my path I'm GONNA. Go right to it. But, then you know I burned out a bit and I took a year off in goalie switch I. Mean I'm still an interesting field, but I switched directions there. I just think it's so important to. Like recognize that you know and take that space for yourself. Yeah, and I feel like a lot of times in healthcare profession medicine everything bills like competition and a race like you have to get it done as quick as you can, but it's going to be there. You gotTA. Do it. You feel is best, and if that means taking a year or two or three off like do it. Yeah, like your credits aren't going anywhere. Your school mindset might take a minute. To get back into. I've toyed with the idea of going back to school, but part of me is just like. do you really want to? Like okay I'm done with school like this. The last time ever going to be in school and I'm like. Let me not say that. Because Watch some happened and I'm like. Oh, I want a PhD. Even though that seems not like something, I WanNa, do but I just I never wanna say never because the I. Don't know what's going to happen in the future. To be out of school for a while and into the workforce. No I think that's awesome, yeah! All right, dear ones believe it or not. 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So I did that so yeah? My blog has tips for preview tease I share my experience through PT school are so dabbling a bit a lifestyle, but I really WANNA help students that don't have the resources maybe to you know, find mentors in their area or a lot of UN. Is. Berry are very white. There are only five percent. Are Black so really. Yeah, we're very under represented. So that was another reason wanted to start. You know my platform and my blog. Yeah Up, find those students and let them know that like you can be a pt like it doesn't matter. Just let them know that their opportunities there and just because. They don't see someone that looks like them like they can be that experts, and so I just want to be like a source of would vacation and representation for increasing diversity in the field in an healthcare general. I love that town. Gots, that's so important and I've I've said it before on the podcast like we really need to to start. Diversifying, healthcare and amplifying these voices because it's just there's just room at the table like every like. I don't WanNa. See People held back. You know I want people to see themselves in well especially on the podcast and anyone that comes on here. I, want them to be like Oh. Hey, like me and I've really been thinking about physical therapy, but I never saw someone that looks like me. Wow, there's stage. Oh, man, okay I can do. This guy asks the drain. Yeah, and just like. Are you wire your providers to reflect your patient population like our patient? Yes, Asians are so diverse, so you know. Healthcare providers should eat as well. Yes agreed one hundred percent. Because then you're you're therapy is going to go that much better. You know like if you don't have these if you're comfortable, if you if you see like a piece of yourself in the person that's caring for you like you're. You're. Healing is going to be like that much better. Yeah, it really does make a difference. I think that's so cool that you're offering all these services and stuff on on your blog. That's. was like writing always kind of like a passion for you to that. You're that you excel in that area or yeah, I think. I didn't realize how much I enjoyed writing until I started. I started instagram and my captions just became too long and. Why is there a limit? I'm like okay, I should probably just tried to do this block thing. It's something that all always been in the back of my mind. I was like okay. I have a year off. This is my time to. Commit to it and really see if again do so. I started and I, don't know if she's crazy. How? I start like okay. I'M GONNA ride a block about this, and then how can just start writing in the words? Just come and. Like I don't have to do that. Much planning is just like in my head, and it just comes out so I really I really enjoyed the writing it's. It's nice to. Just. Tell my story and you know. Let other people know what's going on in my life, and it makes me feel like I'm not so alone in this in this world. Yeah, so I feel like I'm hearing a lot of hats right now with my blog, my instagram but I enjoy it and I'm so glad that I took that leap during my year off to start. Well from the outside, looking in, it just looks like you're thriving and so. And I feel like. Everyone that I've interviewed or you know talk to in the medical field. We all have these side hustles. A lot of people are blogging or their. embroidering things in there have like an Oetzi shop of this or they're. Completely switching gears everyone's. Everyone's got something else, and it's like yeah, physical therapist, but I'm not just a physical therapist. I can also do this. There I'm not a nurse I can also do this. No one in the medical field is really put themselves in a box at least that I've spoken to like everyone's. got another hat that they wear. Yeah. I love it too I mean we're all multifaceted individuals like were not just our profession. We have lives outside of that, so it's nice to be able to explore that and share that people especially incoming. Students that want to join the medical field. Just knowing that like you can still do other things like it doesn't have to be your whole life. Yeah Yeah and I think that like when he focused on something too hard. It just becomes your soul identity. and. You can get really stuck in that like and if that doesn't work out for you for whatever reason. Ami Like I face that a bit after I left Nikki Oh and I was like people be like so how does it feel unhappy in nursing more and I'm like? I'm stolen hurts. Working in Nick you. Just switching career paths. So hearing you talk about writing. It's just I. I'm very similar in that. I love to just word vomit when I'm when I'm writing. If something needs to come out, it'll come out, but I envy you in that like. I have to like set up. Topics and then like really just cleared all the distractions and be like okay. This is what I need to write about right now. I've never been. The like super like free flow writer. It's always been if something has. Affected me and I'm like writing as my first Goto to to try and get it all out. Yeah. It's definitely the more I've done it. The easier it's become, and it's like a nice outlet just to. Get my words out there, so get my feelings out, and then I'm like. Oh, I feel better like wrote it down. It's fine. It's not I'm ahead anymore I. Don't have all these tabs. Yes. Oh, writings great totally recommend it for anybody out there. journaling all that could just started gratitude journaling, and it's the best thing I've ever done. Oh tell me about. This is like a prompt or So I don't know if you've heard of the five minute journal I. Really like it. I got it off like Amazon and they had like a website and every day they had like a weekly challenge monthly challenge, and like like a quote you can read, and then it starts with like I'm grateful for then you have three spots right that what we're make today. Great response stroke that than daily affirmation, so you would say like I n blank, and then ask for morning, and then at night You have a spot for three amazing things that happened today and Ben. How could I have made better and I feel like when I'm consistent with my gratitude, journaling and just. Being appreciative of what is going on in my life, like are just a much happier person. Oh I love this now now it's it's my favorite thing. Is You've got me hooked I'm about to go and Amazon this book right now. I love it. It's called the five minute journal also the. Journal Okay Free Plug. If you WANNA sponsored, the podcast to that's great. was giving something she's. This is not an ad this is. Just is just what we like. Mandala just that could be something could help with burn out to our. Yeah, actually it was suggested by my counselor I think I mean are started with anxiety, but it really your. We had during my first year PT School, and one of the things she suggested was to journal, and I tried it was just like an empty journal. Just like free. To right, and I wasn't successful with it, but once I got this like prompted journal. It really helped me stick to it. In note I needed to write down. That's awesome in you know. Don't please don't feel ashamed of that. We have therapy here. It's a good to know yeah. There were an are I mean especially for me. A lot of moments of you knowing city with nursing because it's like you're, it's a life you know you're. You're holding life in your. And, even I remember being so scared to win at like a parent would call and to give updates, and I'm like why. Why was I so terrified of? So I think that's great that you reached out to a counselor in to you know, take care of your mental health and stuff in school. Because I think it's, it's just so important. Yes, actually even got on medication for the first time of day, and it has been a game changer and I've not shamed about it. No I just feel I'm such a better person. When I am you know gratitude, journaling and doing what I need to do, and taking my medication regularly I just feel like everything is balanced Oh. Yeah, and there's no shame that I mean like meds the. meds work great and especially if you're. Working with. A doctor that you trust in New Your Agree with her prescribing styles, and you know it's. It's a work in progress. He might not find the right mad. Right off the bat, but like once you do get really. It helps kind of balance everything else. You can just function better nuno. In your happier your healthier. Yeah, that's that's the biggest thing. I was like so afraid like not to take these pills. It's okay if I have to have a little help to get everything together like there's nothing wrong with that known expect you'd be able to do everything on grown so no and nobody does do everything on there. There are always people helping or things helping yes. No I love that I. Respect you for that and thank you for. For sharing that on on the podcast 'cause. Well Yeah I I've definitely sought out counseling. I have a therapist I have been on meds before. Will, I got on the master. Fiance had passed away, and I was like I. Just I couldn't function you know and I. Knew I needed something to help me so. You know taking. Taking care of like your mental health is just. It's so so important and it. Should not be shamed at all. Yeah so so for like you said Yeah. I interviewed a girl in the podcast. That nurse Sarah said it. She's like after you know. Towards like the nursing school I started preemptively seeing a counselor therapist to help me. figure out ways to prevent burnout, you know, do like self checks and stuff with myself and I'm like that's amazing. That's so so forward thinking I love that. Get it before it gets bad yes. It's just checkups. It's great. It's going to the doctor. Yearly, physical or whatever I mean, don't make therapies yearly, but you. Check in when you need it. So data, what's next for you like what? What's the next big thing you're working on? Honestly don't know I feel like right now. especially with you know time off from school and like just working from home with school I've been just really trying to pour all I can into my blog, my instagram account and just redesigning people as I can so rudely just like taking my eye. Blogging to the next level is something that I really want to do so that that's what's next for me. Hopefully, I'm really I've been doing a lot of research and listen to allow podcast reading. Just how to grow in impact where people? Well that's amazing I will definitely be sharing this and linking your website and instagram handle and stuff in the show notes and. Share it on the Willamette I'll share it on my personal pages well, too, because I just I really believe in the people that I've had the pleasure of speaking with, and I want to see them grow and I. think that's part of what women need to do is as far as empowering each other. You know there's. Like I said earlier we make. There's space for everybody and. We're ultimately going to be a stronger force for good if we're all trying out each other out, don't like there's room for everybody and Mike, every different people resonate differently with other like everyone follows for different reasons, so as someone follows me doesn't mean they can't follow you to like might find. They might follow us or similar. Things are different things, but like it's okay like we all win here. Yeah, you might offer a different perspective than I. Am able to you know, and I think you've done. Iztok, everyone's instagram really hard, 'cause just a great way to get to know people nowadays. It is. But you're you're pages so good? It is so filled with like. Helpful Tips I love that like you know with the with the writing program in helping people out with their. Essays and stuff like that and. You're like no. These are like fair prices. This is what I like. My time is worth because. I. Know this field and I know this writing so. Now's really nervous about that. Because there's so many people that are overcharging and I'm like he's pre PT. Students don't have like a lot of money like understand like you know. Your time is valuable, but again over on them is. They're going to trust you and. Yeah it's just it's just like a fine line to. Balance on the well. You're doing an amazing job of it and. I I love that. That's out there and available because I've obviously never. I have yet to seek out advanced. degrees. But I love that, that's something that people are sharing now and have as like helpful resources, because some people aren't aren't gifted with writing. Some people don't know how to start writing something and to have someone like you there that. Has Been, there knows what people are looking for, and can offer like timing advice, and you know editing and stuff on things is it's invaluable. Well. Deja, this has been an absolute pleasure. Oh, yeah. I very much hope to meet you in person and get to talk with you more. Let's see what last physical therapy. Piece! Can you give wh? What advice do you have four physical therapies people thinking about physical therapy and. Yeah. What advice the offer for people thinking about the physical therapy field? Yeah, just say the best thing to do is shadow shadow in more than one setting, because every sending is different, and if you just look if I would just shattered an outpatient Ortho, I've probably wouldn't have gone into physical therapy, so just like know that there are so many different avenues and ways to be a therapist, so try to just find different settings to shadow. St Research in yeah. You'll, be, great. That's really great advice, and that's something I tell a lot of nursing students to is that. They're like well. How do I know what field I WANNA be a really WANNA be in the nick? You and I'm like. We'll shadow in the nick you. Like well, how do you do that? Well? You dig around on the Internet and find emails for. Managers on the unit. See One at checkout and and. Inhabit Whoa is that similar four people looking into physical therapy lake for shadowing. It's about the same you just find a clinic or a place in. The right contact, and if not bill directly to who you know you can speak to. It's a lot of a lot of trial and error like some. Places have like a like a program shadowing places on get a lot of people that WANNA shadow, but other smaller clinics. Just you can go in and asked or call or send an email. Yeah. I think a lot of people are like well. Can you do for me like I think there's a lot of people that? Don't realize that. You still have to put in some legwork. Yeah, and you want them to know you, so yes, yeah, and and people especially if it's a place that you might ultimately want to work at. Showing up like meeting, people leaves a better impression than just sending them an email and be like. Hey, can I come in and shadow? You know like now. Take the time go in. Put some legwork in. You'll be better for it. Yes, cinema resume. Tell him a little about yourself like you got to humanize your spouse. They can know that this person behind this email Israel. Yes, I feel like. People are just losing that human element. Yeah reach out to people and thank you cards. Thank you good. See you cards the. Notes are the best. They really are like L. Woods, and like her like you like spraying it with perfume gives extra. It really makes drew. You stand out in. You remembered he neuter. Hey, you like Ping, do it. If you like green, do it. But either way just like finding away for yourself to stand out. And but like authentically you know you wanted to be like. Oh, yeah, here's the thank you. Card will sup. Leaders and Yeah Yup. It's the right opportunity you know it'll work out, and if it's not right opportunity you'll find. You'll find the right opportunity for you. Yes? Ideas, or why don't you tell everybody again like where they can find you and connect with Ya? Okay Yeah so you can find me on. INSTAGRAM is probably the easiest at be curly clinician, or my blog is the curly clinician dot com, or if you'd like to email me, It's just the curly clinician at gmail.com. Perfect. Well these, thank you again. It was so nice speaking to you. Yes thank you for having me. This was a good time, and it was just nice to just sit in. Not Be schoolwork and just talk in not have. An actual. A business new get done, just be able to. Flow be free. I love that. Everyone make sure to check out. Her website instagram all the good things. Down clearly like a very open person and Here to help people I I love everything you're doing I want to see you succeed. And Yeah I'm just I'm just grateful. These conversations are so great. I know that you're helping. A lot of people who come to the podcasts looking for. You know. Just seeing themselves represented, or you know information just on on school, so that's I was really excited to have a PT student on just to kind of talk through that experience because we do. Have people that listen that are like you know undecided about clearly WanNa make. So. Surrounded I could be that resource. I'm so glad you reached out to me. Me Too I'm glad I found your page, and now hopefully more people will to. Yet. So that's that's plan. That's what's GonNa Happen. Things again, thank you. I hope you'll have fun learning more about physical therapy. Make sure to follow along with Deja on Instagram at the curly clinician and her blog, the curly clinician dot com for all the resources for PT students in lifestyle. Keep sending me your nursing. Energy moments and moments that make you feel empowered and moments of self, work and discovery. Thank you for tuning in and listening every week I love you guys. TILL NEXT WEEK WALL MED out.

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Episode 59: Marketing Tiger

Confessions of a Marketer

09:41 min | 1 year ago

Episode 59: Marketing Tiger

"Episode fifty nine of confessions of a marketer, the marketing value of Tiger Woods. Hi, it's Mark read Edwards. Welcome back to confessions of marketer. I've got Eric Smallwood of apex. Marketing group into chat about the marketing. Value of Tiger Woods winning the masters. We'll have that discussion in a moment soon. Teasha Miller vie crossing will be into talk about the intersection of technology and marketing benefir will be back here to share his language. Manifesto careened Conroy will join us to talk about whole brain marketing. Josh Martin will be back into dig more into product. Marketing Chris Daly will be back to figure out how to convert social media traffic and Ricardo osteo will be into to chat about the role marketing plays in the customer experience. Lots more in store. So stay with us on invite you to have a listen to my other venture the innovation podcast the ipod with garnet Herrmann. Lots of really interesting interviews so head over to the innovation podcast dot CO two. Okay. Onto Eric small. Would Eric was quoted far and wide about the marketing. Value of Tigers masters win. I got in touch with them to get to the root of those numbers. We had a great discussion about it. And he shed some light on the way, he calculates the value. Plus, we discussed his other focus naming rights. So let's get to it. Eric, thanks for joining me. Appreciate you being here on confessions of a marketer. They for having me looking forward to it. Like scores of people. I was glued to my TV. The other day watching the masters early on it seemed tiger could win. But maybe it wasn't likely then on Sunday became inevitable. All of a sudden, you were quoted all over the place putting value on that win for Nike. Can you? Tell me what the value is. And how you determine that is the value for what tiger received for Nike during that final round on CBS about twenty little over twenty two million exposure value. He also provided value to monster energy and Bridgestone, which is the golf ball uses. So those opportunities that Bridgestone was a one hundred thirty four thousand and monster energy was a little over nine hundred thousand in value. The way we track it is. We watch where he appears on the screen what part of his body is appearing on screen in where the logos appear. And we track those logos bridie different ways. But one of the ways is that we track for the length of time, it appears on the screen where it is on the screen. How big it is on the screen for instances Nike logo? If the camera shot was of his hat in the Nike logo on his shirt. His hat logo is much bigger. We would give that more prominent exposure. How do you think some of the sponsors dropped tiger back eight nine years ago? Feel now that he is do you think there's going to be a resurgence in interest in being aligned with him? There's definitely going to be a resurgence in the there's probably a waiting list already of sponsors wanting to be a part of it. But tiger can be selected. You just don't know how big these deals. Get Nike, for instance, is exclusive in terms of his uniform. Yeah. So you don't see any other logos. But if you see Fowler. He has Puma, but he also has Mercedes in Majorca in in three other sponsors on his shirt alone. Not to mention his hat. You know, they kind of looked like NASCAR car's NASCAR the golfers. So you know, there will be brands that step up you asked how do those brands? How are they feeling nine years later that they dropped them? If they would have stuck with them. What would have cost them internally? What would have cost them financially to stick with them? So it's really didn't make sense for Buick in in their brand exposure in how they were going about their business and who they're marketing to to stick with at the time. It would have been mid thirties delay thirty golfer. Maybe they wanted to take their marketing a different direction either way. So there must have been some convenience for leaving some their contract expired. I think Buicks actually wait until there is expired. It's just kind of interesting to contemplate how Nike probably caught a lot of flack. For staying with him. And yet it's paying off for them in the long run being patient. Absolutely. And you know, they created the Tiger Woods logo. Yeah. Which is the T W logo. Lebron has one Michael Jordan, obviously, jump man as Michael Jordan logo. So they invest a lot of money into the market marks and logo. So they've invested interest to stick with it. Kind of an interesting storyline about the power of redemption of, you know, working your ass off for the number of years as he did while he was battling mainly I think his physical issues over the last few years and just sticking with it that to me is the message that Nike has wanted to communicate to people since they came up with the just do it tagline and Nike has proved they're not opposed to getting partnering with controversial situations. Sure. So but yet it's take a risk and Nike took a risk and it's paying off in dividends. So imagine if tiger. Wins the PGA championship the British Open, the US open any one of those or maybe even all three of them. What do you imagine the windfall would be for Nike hundreds of millions of dollars? I mean, it's gonna be a windfall. In a lot of different ways. It will be a windfall and branding in advertising. Marketing it'll be a windfall in product sales bewing fall for Bridgestone 'cause they they sell more of the golf balls. It would be a windfall for tailor-made who makes his clubs which they've already started to see an increase in sales on Sunday. You think Nike might get back into Gulf business bit more than you know? I know they kind of backed out of it after Tigers downfall. And you know, he changed golf balls from Nike to Bridgestone. Do you think that they may get back into that business if they see numbers tick up? No, no, no. I don't think they will. They learn their lesson stick with what you know and focus on that. And make that the best. It can be a one interesting thing, you know. When when I read about you and saw your quotes, I looked into what your company does. You also manage naming rights is there anything really hot in that area. Trends in that area that you you see happening naming rights is still growing a lot of the major league stadiums have names on 'em. There are few like Soldier Field that do not for the reason that they don't want to rename Fenway park in my area. Right. Yeah. So Wrigley field. A law though. Some people say that the original naming rights, and what we're saying now is smaller venues, but also convention centers getting into it more Detroit just announced they had secured a naming rights partner. So you're seeing major markets convention centers getting involved also smaller markets, so there's a lot of BNC's size markets that are selling naming rights to their minor league baseball stadium. They're convention centers or minor league arenas as well. So on all of this. You know, the value the cruise to brands associated with. Like tiger naming rights as you look ahead over the next few years trends, are you following what's interesting in your area that that you think is going to happen in the next few years. Why think it's how branding athlete endorsements? I think it's gonna get bigger. It's just going to be more creative because you're gonna say more like the tiger set up with his Nike only. That's the only brand it's where they take it off. The course off the court the field the ice and integrate those partnerships. So you'll see a lot of more integration with social media more opportunity. So whether you know, you'll Bridgestone has been very effective in doing post master's communication on Twitter as they all have monster as well and Nike's really maximizing the use of that right outside than necessarily the plane area plane. Surface. So it's making more of what happens between the lines. I mean social media's such in, you know, that's gonna be the next demographic large demographic does their day to day communication. You're going to need to expand that marketing. I mean TV I think about it sitting in the living room. Having your TV set up. That's gonna go away as the millennials get to be adults in their forties. You're gonna see more. Everybody's got their own TV on their which they already do. So I mean, the TV in the living room. I think it's gonna go away. And so that's that's going to be the creativity with two with the broadcast and getting in front of the audience be interesting to watch Eric. I really appreciate you. Joining me. Thanks for. Eric for being here. Next time. Teasha Miller of I crossing will be into talk about the intersection of technology and marketing this episode of confessions of a market was written produced and edited by yours. Truly T Jordan of A-Class productions with emusic. Confessions of market is trademark of read Edwards. Global lincoln. This episode is copywriting twenty nineteen. I'm Margaret Edwards. See next.

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QUARANTINED COOKIES

Free Cookies

1:01:47 hr | 8 months ago

QUARANTINED COOKIES

"I'm Katherine Beauty Vega and this is free cookies humorous podcast philosophical embassy offering delicious quiz and today and today this is where we normally say really weird things start out with a plan and then we end up talking about Dinosaur Erotica We're going to try to claw back to last week today. We're going to curb it real- it in because obviously there is a lot going on the world today and we've been worrying about the independent businesses and our friends who were involved so we've called Several different people we have of an independent coffee shop a clothing store. We have independent yoga teacher and also astronomy food and Bev. So yeah we were curious over the last couple of weeks as like all of you. We've been quarantining and we've been hearing so much about the impact on small businesses and we brought up so many questions like well. What kind of resources do they have in the bank to get through times like this? Like what does their bottom line. Look like how. How can they survive for a month? If they shut things down just we just want to know what's really really happening to so many of the small businesses we love so we thought we'd go directly to the source and as a side note for those of you living in northern California notices thing that's happening at eight. Pm and Northern California where everyone's howling. It's they're they're they're being like Italy except instead of singing there and it's a really amazing a couple of friends of posted videos online. And you just hear the Steve Howell. So I kind of feel like cookie. Monster's perhaps eight PM wherever you're APM. Is y'all open box of cookies? Or maybe you made some fresh cookies and open up the oven to some lucky enough to be able to do something like that we all dunk. Apm Open up your windows and hear the sound of a cookie dunking into Kotel grinch. No a two week okay. You said that you weren't going to be incredibly funny. It's not the episode for that. Humor is always important. All right but let's let's let's chat with some of these folks so we can get the answers to him assuming questions that a lot of our listeners have had as well we're joined for the second time on free cookies by one of my best friends and one of the Best Yoga teachers in the World Gene Budo. It No hey do you know we just really wanted to talk to you and get the perspective of a Yoga teacher who travels for a living also someone who is to us before you know what this pandemic is doing for your career. That sounds like it's helping career. That's definitely not the rich do you? You first and foremost is putting my practice to the test in an all new way and I've been thinking a lot about how you know. This is a great time to assess how how much further than skin deep your practice goes. You know And so I'm I'm taking refuge in the what I would call the deeper dimensions of the practice I'm so grateful that I have a daily meditation practice. Because it's letting me track on a moment by moment basis. How I'm feeling what's arising and I can just be more proactive. You know so like if I notice just out of nowhere. I'm feeling panic. I have disability now to be like I I am witnessing panic arising trusting and then I can just take some measures sooner than later to to do something with that So that that's on a personal level but professionally. Yeah it's sort of like. I have to have a sense of humor about it just before we hopped on here. I got another gig cancelation. And so I. I did the practical thing of writing creating a spreadsheet and and I'm looking at my financial twenty twenty four cast. God it's like I hope I like Robin One ball. Wonder it's called. I know you're the new Robin. My one boy wonders all ROM. But so it's not like it's so much laughing matter but if I don't keep a sense of humor about it and I'm GonNa get stuck in panic mode and so you know to your point of this helping me. It was a kick in the age of less. You know it was a kick in the butt since two. Okay now. I WANNA be of service and I'm GonNa have to take that into a place that I I don't have the most fun. I have the most fun in person. But you know being on camera. And you know we've talked about this before it. It's it's not where I feel my strongest. You know because I let little things get in the way of just being myself and for this has been a real kick to like okay. You can stop worrying about that now and get out there. So it's been great in that regard to focus on the service at a time when I think people are in greater need than usual and in terms of service you've been doing you're doing daily instagram lives. Is that correct? Yeah and I've never done that before because I thought. Oh Gee you know who would really? WanNa listen to me and because they feel like miniature talk shows you know and I'm like I know Ellen I would sign it. I would be the first time I saw excited. I gave him say your name me up show. Yes but you're also doing. It's through not then move but the video not to be confused with the cash where people can actually purchase classes from you. Yeah so I kinda I wanted to to to make an offering and I wanted it to be smart and respect Mike Craft and my colleagues so when this all started I said to myself what do I wanna give away because I know that there are a lot of people that are now out of work and everything's turned upside down financially. So what do I want to give away? That's why I'm doing these. I G lives every day where I'm giving away. What I think is most valuable. Which is you know the the teachings of Yoga that you know all of the stuff that's been twenty plus years of practice. You know how that shows up in our lives off the mat and then to sustain myself so that I can keep doing this. I'm putting on demand classes up on video as you said and they're either for rent or for download and bat just felt right to me. You know where it's like. This is what I'm giving and this is what I'm asking for you know and I think we gotta play the long game with this one. Y'All don't you agree completely agree and so is that your is that your advice to other. Yoga teachers listening right now I mean. Do you think everyone a lot of people doing lives now. And a lot of people putting up content on websites I mean is that the way to sustain ourselves right now. Do you think that is the ultimate goal? I think if we're looking at this as like a two week problem which up until Sunday night. I think some people still were. There's like short term idea of how are you going to put yourself out there and be of service and I think that's why in the first two weeks you know everybody was giving things away for free and there's something beautiful in that generosity but in terms of okay? It's not two weeks you know and we've got to think about how. We're impacting our craft. You know where it. It's like yes. Let's give some things away for free. Let's do it be of service Asia you know but at the same time. Let's play the long game here and think about like after the big surge how how is how our choices now going to impact people's perception of yoga teachers and Yoga classes in. It's a big question mark and there's no right answer but I'd just like to feel like my colleagues are considering that the long game and not just the short game because I don't think it's GonNa be. It's not you weeks. I think we all know that now. Karen I've been talking about. How is how on Instagram in particular? You've gotten millions of people on there. Some of them pretty well known and even ones that are world famous and before this pandemic they had dozens and hundreds of outlets to get their performing nature out of their system or to have that shine of relevance. It'd be like all right. Well we're going to go on Jimmy Fallon on the tonight show or they've got a movie coming out or they've got that opening now. They're stuck in a house but they are still the same person craving real relevance. And so now you're seeing all of those people popping on instagram live. And you're seeing because they can't. This is not like a judgment on famous people but I think all of us are kind of like. Oh we want that little. We want that little burst of relevance or whatever it is. It's not really connection that we used to get just from like nodding to somebody at the coffee shop or whatever but what we're seeing is like an inundation of instagram lives and stories and videos and some of them are cutting through the noise. But it used to be that. If you were GONNA teach Catherine was gonNA go or Gina. You're going to go teach in instagram live class. You have a lot of people being like. Oh Okay Alive Jin. Oh someone's going live. Not that many people were going live all the time. And now we're just inundated with people going live and Chrissy Teigen performing a wedding ceremony for her daughter's Sater's seriously took twenty five minutes and I'm sure it's beautiful. I mean they were. They were in love. I heard they were truly in love. Get here's it's like it's making it so noisy for for the folks who actually are trying to translate this medium to like make some level of income to be able to eat something more than Rahman so there's no question in there other than this observation of like we're while we're really getting peek behind the curtain. About what some you know about going live in their own homes. People that you would never see do that before. Because that's where they wanted to be private well. I am so glad that you brought that up. Because I've been thinking a lot about this the same concept of we're in an attention economy right now you know and you know I. I was quick on the draw. Man I it's like I was like I I didn't go. Oh Shit and freak out for a while and I think there's absolutely nothing wrong with that approach so if anybody is still freaking out. I see you and support you. But that's not how I roll personally. You know I'm a I'm a quick responder and you know there might have been a few days where I noticed the exact same thing. You're saying where I was the only live going on at nine. Am Mountain Time Right. And now it's just like I can barely scroll without going live going going going and I've also seen you know the my numbers in terms of viewers change for exactly the reason that you just because you have stuffed animal weddings and yoga classes and meditation and cooking classes and Qwest's love do DJ sets so. It's yeah we're in an attention economy and I witnessed myself have a like well damn it you know I was. I think that that's a little bit but I did. Witness a feeling of like oh no and then I was like Oh look at me getting all ono and then I really think it's important for a yoga teacher anyway. The people that really need to hear you are going to cut through. They're going to wade through all the other stuff and be there you know. And and and that may end up being five people and nine hundred people and and that's what at this point in my life. I'm like look if I'm getting some of the sweetest messages from people that are saying like the consistency of our morning. Since we call it a workable day in the neighbor that title title. Thank you the consistency. They're saying is grounding them to make it through and these some of these people are like healthcare professionals. So that's what's like in this attention economy when there's so much now pulling on people's attention I'm just. I'm just kind of relaxing into like well. I'm not going to worry about how many people I'm going to worry. More about the authenticity of the offering. How genuine it is and really reflect on some of the things that you were saying like. Is there any part of me? That's doing this for that. Little shine for that relevance hit because when that starts to happen then I need to be done. You know move on do softball. It's actually so similar to for Yoga Teachers. When you're teaching a live class and you get the endorphin hit because you have twenty five people show up or whatever numbers high to the individual and then the next day you have to students and all of a sudden you lost your Mojo and when it's like but those could be the two people out of your entire city who need yoga the most and they showed up for you to to request what you are known for giving and are you going to drop it just because you don't feel shiny enough because there's only two people. I'm so glad you brought that up because I think for anyone doing what you're doing right now. Who has an important message to share and wants to put it out there in this format on social media like fuck those numbers. You cannot look at those numbers you have to just lean into their even there. I know but go live and just go live. I mean not that everybody needs to be going live but again. Yeah yeah weird freeze I just said you want to you. Just go live. Well I know what you mean about that little ticker the numbers like it. Because I'm a human being it hard to not see while you're mid sentence saying something so potent and helpful. Of course Mike dropping the go down and you're like hey hey it's actually as distracting as if you're speaking and someone leaves the auditory as someone who's speaking it is incredibly incredibly jarring when somebody leaves in the middle of speech the you help but just get shook. It's very similar feeling when the number drops maybe they have like diarrhea him. We're lame but what what. I've been doing the tape. Maybe Gina. They thought you're so amazing. They had to go tell someone else. They got so excited. They had to go downstairs and tell their significant other going down to wrangle. Yeah no yours. What I've been doing is I end each of my morning sessions with a live meditation and as soon as I go into it or begin it you know that you see that number going to you. Know they were there for the other part but you know what when I opened my eyes back up and I see the people that stayed. I'm always like hell. Yeah you know like that's that's the if you're gonNA care about numbers look at that you know they were. They just dedicated like right. Now when people have kids running all over the place and stuff like that and there there. It might not be a huge number. But they're they're they're the neighborhood you know totally workable day and the neighborhood. Jeanette tell the tell the people where the people can find the GINA working. We find the goodness well. The central hub though is my website. Gina CAPUTO DOT COM but. Yeah on Instagram. Yogi on the loose. Which I've been thinking a lot about now that we're like you know guineas in quarantine like on the loose is going to be on. The loose has always meant. It's been a it's a mental state you know but so so we're still on the loose but I am are ready excited for like the childlike. Wonder that I anticipate people are gonNA be experiencing when they're on the loose again going to be so we're already planning a trip to Disney world as our first step out into the real world whenever that happens so we're going to be like I can't wait to see the photo with the ears. Get carried away okay. All Right Gina Gina. Thank you we love you. Thank you so much for committee. We'll see each other's faces some day soon in person on the risk green partisan inter than later. Let Me Mama Bye Bye. Thank you all right. We are joined with stacy smallwood who has been free cookies before she is the amazing wonderful lovely owner of Hamden clothing Anderson South Carolina. Also James also small Stacy is just. It's so difficult to hear your voice like this because you were seriously one of the the bubbly EST humans I have ever met before you were like an actual animated sparkle in my mind and I know you were going through credibly hard times right now and can you just Kinda give our listeners and idea of what it's like you have. How long have you had had Hampton for now Thirteen years thirteen years. And you have amazing dreams for where you want to take the store. And and what has this just few weeks? How has that changed it for you? I mean it is a devastating. I would open in. Oh eight so I definitely around for the crash and this is so much different So different because there's so much unknown in the unknown of win. We're going to reopen. You know just the physicality I have ten thousand square feet of retail space on King Street and just Having opened our brand new forty two hundred square foot store on Friday March thirteenth and then we closed all ten thousand square feet on Monday march. Sixteen though one of the most unusual things about the retail industry is that we order merchandise five to six months in advance so we unlike a restaurant cannot make change as to that inventory Most of it already had shipped because March and April are our two biggest months of the year for spring goods so the decisions I made back in September I mean September two thousand nineteen are what I'm living with now and the landscape was so different in what I was so excited about the expansion of our new store about Even new brands that we were taking on you know coming into such beautiful time in Charleston when it is area and there's a vent and people have a good energy. And there's so much positivity and and so much tourism I mean we have four million tourists the year and to watch all of that go away is like watching your dreams. Go Away so right now. My store is full of inventory that I have to move through and is my liability. You know I don't get to call back in and say you know this didn't fell or you You know we we're closed. You have to take the merchandise back on. The designers day themselves are hanging on by a thread. You know so much about. This industry is unknown. And it's something we spoke about on our podcast with you guys before and it's not just about buying address for me. It's like you come in and buy address and I use that money to pay my employees to pay my rent. Pay My lights to pay for the merchandise that you bought And then from there once I pay the vendor for the merchandise they pay you know their sales people who sold it to me who the people who bought it up in shifted to to the woman who sold it to the woman you at the factory workers in Italy like every person is touched by. It has a huge huge industry Such a trickle down effect by people not purchasing Address which right now for some reason retail is looked upon as this like grubby industry. Where we're all trying to sell you something you don't need right and that is just so not the case. I think we all need to completely alter our perspective in that sense because I think when this first started a lot of people are like. Oh don't can't spend money on anything frivolous right now because the economy's going to crash and we don't know what we're going into war it's like you have to remember that things that are quote for this are also the businesses that are small and independent. And you buying those quote for things are keeping other independent businesses alive whether it's face products or address or something that you know. It's it's in so I would really like listeners. To kind of really if you have been wanting to buy address like now is actually a good time because you're going to put money in the pockets of someone who is struggling to keep their business open that you've loved for a long time and I mean how how have salesman doing on the on the website. Is that continuing to trickle in at all? Yeah we people are like. Oh you're so lucky that you have a website. Now we're not lucky I've invested in it to diversify and grow our business so every single piece in the ten thousand square feet of retail space is on him including dot com and it is on it. Is that image style on a model you know. We're really putting our efforts towards the website because that is what we can control. We can control Talking to our clients via instagram trying on clothes for them and keeping Some sort of beauty and positively in Dhaka. And you know the crazy thing is we all do get dressed everyday. I mean whether it be pajamas or are you know if you're feeling. Yucky challenged a lot of people to say. Go take a shower put on makeup and put on your favorite outfit not for anyone else but for yourself because it can change your mood. It can change your energy. It can change your attitude that Gosh. I remember who I was before all this started. You know. Fashion is a art form and it is a powerful thing that again we all act like. We're not part of but we are now Stacey can you can be something say motivating. Can you share with our listeners? Just like the nuts and bolts of what? You're going through right now. Like a lot of people you'll have that phrase like the lean times or the hard times or this idea of like hibernating in then gathering so that you can get through a harsh winter. They got what what does it look like for you on the ground and I can you can. If this goes on for six more weeks. What happens like what do you do? You have those equations in your head where you're like. I need this to stop by this date or I don't know what I'm GonNa do I mean it was pretty devastating to hear that probably I had kind of April fifteenth in my head and I was like okay I can make it till then and then when you. The government came on or present came on and said We will probably be quizzed until April thirtieth then that was just like the one that blow that just killed me you know and it was like how am I going to do this for another month? and so for me. What I've done is the first week that we were closed. I used all of those sales to put in a fund or put aside to make payroll for the next two payrolls. I'm very committed to the idea that we are a team at him. Then all of my people are on salary and not commission. And I can't do this without them. So I have not laid them off I think most retailers have and believe me getting so much pressure to do it to lay them off but I just don't think it's the right thing. It's not the right thing for me. It's not the right thing for my business long term and the people that make my business run every day is dumb and how I look in the eye when this is done and say okay you ready to come back because there would be so much resentment there I would. I wouldn't be ready to come back full force so I've put money aside for two more payrolls so the idea of having one more actor. That is scary as hell Then I've gone some landlords and ask for only. Most of them have not given me relieved. They've really just dave stead. You don't have to pay now but you'll have to pay later so that scares me in the fact that now in September October November and December. I'm going to have to add on those payments and pay them back so on this idea of the SBA loan. I mean I can't. There's so much information out there and if one more person since linked to the SBA limiting. I might scream because it's like. Oh my God you guys. I know like and you know with the right one to do. How do you do it? So I'm trying to talk with many different accountants or Different consultant from Berkeley capital to You know a hedge fine to all different kinds of places to figure out what what's how would you this. And how do I make it through this? And what what they are. They really going to cover because a grant is what we need. We need forgiveness is not to be drowning in debt. When we come out of this you know I am every single day. All Day on the phone with my vendors and asking them for discounts on the merchandise that I have now and slashing away at my fall by Just to give you an idea. Golden Goose producing all collection Most of most of my vendors are not going to do a resort collection at all Factories have closed down at this point. So there's nobody even produce them. Yeah well So they resort collections. Wooden ship until October Novem- are really late. November December January. So what does that mean for my business like so the goods that we have coming in for fall needs on those last is through January and then so how much merchandise do I need. What is the customer even GonNa want? Then are they gonNa want basic. So they're gonNA want emotional. Are they going to be ready to shop? How many employees do I need then? you know and to to skip an entire delivery that we typically spend like a million dollars on and just not have that merchandise come in at all so now what what is that you know so. I'm not I have to look at now. Merchandise the have on hand the merchandise. That's coming in for pre fall. Which now we're shifting off deliveries into July and then the merchandise that will now come in for fall which is going to be like September and October which typically would have been late July and August and then when will the markdowns come the department stores dictate so much of the conversation that day. Just start slashing away at prices. If we don't sell merchandise at regular price when we market down to forty percent off all were doing is making enough to pay for the merchandise not enough to pay our employees or pay for rent or pay for expenses. I've noticed you've still been generous to give everyone ten percent off on your website and for everyone listening it's Hampton it's h. a. m. p. e. n. clothing dot com and again. If you had that to get something or you have the financial means to do a little shopping it counts. It truly truly counts. Stacy we love you so much. We will continue to sports you forever. We will go screaming and kicking with you and we encourage everybody to check your sight out and we love you. We also encourage everyone to listen to episode we recorded with Stacy so you can learn more about her industry as likes to say all the nuts and bolts and nuts and bolts nuts and bolts. Live together so we love you so much. Thank you for taking the time to come talk to us. Okay names I think We are joined now by John Etcheverry. Who is the owner of paper plane coffee and you guys roast in Brooklyn but you have your brick and mortar in Montclair New Jersey? That's right John. Right actually plenty enough. I started the company in Brooklyn and I moved out here to Montclair and actually it just moved the whole company out here when my wife and I figured out we were we were gonNA parents so are we. Were going to have a kid So in planning for her arrival. I didn't want to be two hours away from either of my babies so the whole company from Brooklyn to Montclair and as you can imagine. My commute is so much better. Yes yes I've I've been there and it's a beautiful coffee shop in New Jersey. Which is where John and I met and John. Correct me if I'm wrong but your wife takes Catherine's yoga glow classes. I believe or Taser Yoga. Yeah no I mean like in far more than that I I have to say Thank you Catherine Because even though we haven't met Your influence on my wife. is huge She had a lot of body. Image Issues Several years ago And you are one of her personal heroes so much so that when she was going to Grad school they had this Dress up like a hero day and she just like you know really. I mean. I actually told Kate that my wife was a huge fan but Yeah that's she's she loves you and Because of that I love you as well. So thank you for that. Oh my Gosh I love you guys do I have to ask. What did she wear you picture? No but she always. I mean like you know. She says she's GonNa listen to your podcast forever. She's been taking the classes. She was a young mom So you know all these compounded issues Kind of up to gravitate towards you because you had this positive Message and after I I can dig up the picture. I'll send you that all right. Let's let's jump in on on this cove nineteen and how? It's impacting so many small businesses. John Wall. Can you just give us the lay of the land of going into the start of this pandemic like where? Your Business was in terms of you. Don't have to give us actual numbers but like how did you feel on solid ground. Like how many employees can you give us that lay of the land? Yeah absolutely I mean just to give a little background to the People. That are listening Mum Clear is in Essex County It's right next to Bergen County. Both of these counties are essentially suburbs of New York. is the hardest county hit Outside of the epicenter of New York followed by Essex County so we have a ton of cases here. I actually just this morning that our neighboring shop It's two sisters that run it. I believe one of the sisters passed away on Friday. Oh my God from this So it's it's been really crazy. I mean we we really kind of hit the ground running on this I I've been kind of paying attention to it for a while And I made the decision to close our shop before they they decided to do a shutdown of New Jersey. So it's been about a little over two weeks and I close the doors to our cafe We actually opened up in September of last year And things have been going great. I've got six employees You know most of them about half of full time But I told everybody they home. I'm GonNa pay you like you had been working these next two weeks we can see Kind of what? What's going to happen And since then since we're Caucasus I've still been roasting coffee in house Doing doorstep delivery for for any of the local people I guess pretty much within a five mile radius but I mean we went from you know seeing over one hundred people a day in our cafe to nobody two zero and I mean it's it's it's really scary I myself I'm I'm trying to stay positive I donated any perishable things that I had here. Because you know I mean milk Is GOING TO GO OUT. But we have soup. Kitchens that are really close to that that are in need. That are still feeding people so I made sure to donate that. Reach out to some of the The local Chris Responders to see if this If they're in need of any latex gloves we saw latex gloves here so I mean that's that's pretty much it I mean you know on today's Kinda gloomy and cold so you don't see that many people out Yeah it's It's it's been kind of. It's been Erie. I keep on seeing mean that says. It's someone holding up a sign that says this episode of Black Mirror. Sucks and it's true. We love that show but maybe not so much anymore we we were talking with our producer. Lindsay before we got on the phone with you and she's comes from the Food and Bev Industry and and obviously you're part of the industry but I know a cafe has very different overhead overhead as opposed to what it would be for a restaurant so since you didn't open that long ago do were you in a good place before you had to shut down. Do you have any buffering you know like? What do you think timeframe is have a freakout date on your calendar with a little minion screaming on it or something like that night? I mean so essentially my background like when I started this company. I took every bit of money that I had I'm an actor who voices And so luckily enough. I got a pretty nice job. Being the voice of friskies completely right right time to do about it interviewed coffees your side. Hustle on could just different note. Kermit the progress on my first voices that I ever learned and that became shaggy criminals. Pretty easy you can kind of. Hey everybody loses kermit the frog and then you put a little bit of Casey Kasem in there. And it's like the leaks crudely. Go for like butter showing amazing. Turn that I really like. We needed. Thank you so much did you. This whole thing's pass and I don't know if you guys watch a gold swam but one of my favorite shows used to be aqua teen hunger force all the the little ball on October fortunate enough to still have some paying gigs and put everything that I could into really starting this company but for a whole year. I slept on a couch in my office and I made it work and when I got my small business loan to finally open up. My first brick and mortar. I made my goal to pay off the small business loan within a year and I was on track to do it Obviously until this hit so staying fairly I'm in a very unique position which most other people in the industry aren't where I was incredibly. You know I just. I pinched every penny that I could. I worked most of the hours just to save myself on labor. You know I pay my employees a living wage And they make tips on top of that so but even with that I mean well before my freak out they. I will have probably created a lemon lemonade. Stand with like a six foot distance for people only instead eliminated. Pays man. Yeah so what is the. We're currently drinking your your DECAF and I made producer. Lindsay one to choose. This is amazing DECAF and it is meant to sent you. Message John that it's the best office shadow. Passover is when we said DECAF and then she started drinking. Oh but what is what is most helpful to you right now. What what has the best margins like? What can people do to help you through this time? You're funny enough. I mean a lot of people locally Have BEEN PURCHASING GIFT CARDS You because they'll go then surely come in and be able to to send that But when people ask me and I said you know I want you to be able to enjoy like get something that you're going to be able to you're gonNA need and you're going to be able to enjoy and that's you know. Get some coffee. Get some coffee for yourself You know most people are working at home My wife is still teaching at home. She teaches second grade. Kids with autism. So you know. We've been making videos for for them and things like with sensory And she needs all the Kathy can get so you know. My margins are still great with with coffee You know we have a bunch of different options available online Granted you know I. We sell specialty coffee so it's step up above from you know your folger's Shanksville House. We do things a little bit differently than kind of like the traditional roasts But Yeah I mean you know if any would you like to support us You're more than welcome to check. How PAPER PLANE COFFEE DOT COM Check out some offerings fabulous mugs. Also I have to say. And if people go to the inky PHOENIX page. I have a post of your Mug. That says fly sitting on top of station. Eleven seemed appropriate so last question John Donald Duck. Are you going to go into your what do you do Donald Duck? What Katie saying. She wants to share. Donald always really hard. I can do the intonation of I just can't speak we're doing it Okay I for a while there I do a really good Big Lebowski I every once in a while especially if I've been drinking I can. I can have a nice jump. Bridges intonation is where they would do older canoe. They're gonNA kill that poor man to do. It is good. Yeah so the dude comes out. No I'm sure they're all they're all kind of funny My parents have a really funny accent because they are Columbian and it blows my mind because they came to this country Late twenties early when they were in their late. Twenties and early thirties and learned a whole different language from scratch My Dad never finished high school and I'm on never finished middle school. So they came and they can right. They can read. They can do all these things but they live in the South and my dad has wildest accent I've ever had and I'll never be able to replicate it because he sounds like a cross between Wambo says and Yosemite Sam so you've lots of inspiration on all right we'll John. Thank you so much. And thank you for the levity to at the segment. Thank you and much loved here. Thank you all for reaching out. Stay safe and keep inspiring people. Thank Selena we'll talk to him now. Joined by Melody and Michael. Show improv owners of butchering in Charleston South Carolina as well as the daily in Charleston and they also have restaurants in Nashville as well so abutting restaurant empire and we they go. Thank you So we we would just wanted to hop on the phone and really get some insight into how this pandemic is truly impacting. You guys so if you can just give us the overall like lay of the land before the four day one of this pandemic in your mind like we're were you guys in terms of like how you were thinking about growing and what the kind of day to day operation looked like. Yeah well I would say. We had a buddy restaurant in fire. We you know. Interestingly we've been talking for about a year about quality allies and how you balance and sort of like what number of restaurants is the right number and I we were already feeling somewhat spreads over it. Really we were thinking about going from ten restaurants. We have now over the next year or two down by one or two or three stores and then starting to rebuild in a smarter way Obviously so we. We'd put growth on hold already. I I really feel for anybody building restaurant right now or was getting ready to open one given the amount of uncertainty about the future. But okay I'm GonNa take a crack at the answer. Thank you melody bringing those good answer to it in mean to judge the answer there. I realized yesterday that it's been twenty five days until we took our son out of school in one days since we've had childcare and I really thought it had only been about a week or a week and a half. It completely lost track of time but during the week when everything happened we were opened on Monday. We were on crisis mode on Tuesday. I thought we should close and Michael. Thought we're going to wait it out and see at that time. We were in conversation with a lot of other restaurants tours in Charleston and I told Michael. Let's close we have to close and Michael. Texted group chain with about fifteen other restaurant tours on it and he said out of curiosity how many of you are planning to have your dining rooms open tomorrow. This was on a Tuesday every single. One of them responded that they were planning on having their dining rooms open so that fast forward twenty four hours to the end of Wednesday. That was the end of Tuesday. The of Wednesday every single one of them had decided to closer dining room so in a matter of twenty four hours we went from. Let's plug all the holes. Let's get in crisis mode and try to keep the ship afloat to the ship thinking we have to close and that means we have to lay everybody off and in order for them to get unemployment. We have to actually fight. Lay them off rather than furlough them. Part time them decisions were being made on the fly. That usually would take months if not longer to make decisions about staying open decisions about whom to keep on staff and who not to decisions about how to safely execute dining delivery dishwashing food handling food. Prep and all of that kind of thing happening moment to moment. And within a few days we had gone from fully operational across the board to fraction of that. Yeah that was one of the things as as it was getting closer. It just thinks change so quick. I mean we would conference call and have a playbook and the next day it was obsolete I mean we. We wrote a. We wrote a letter to our like newsletter subscribers detailing all the steps we are taking the keep. The restaurants safe sanitized and within a day. We decided not to see people in the dining room anymore. So there's no playbook for it. I mean there will be now but there's no playbook for it. There was no playbook and we were trying to figure out what was happening in the public in the greater world in the dining world in particular and trying to make the best moves for US. And of course it's preservation. You WanNa Save Your Business so you know all your thoughts are on aiding the business and saving staff and keeping the staff on and making sure they are getting paid. A lot of people rely on paychecks and they work for us and with us and it was really a desperate attempt to try to figure out all the moving parts. Well we'll speaking of your staff Michael Melody I know you both incredibly proactive with paying it. Forward and and helping support everyone in the food and Bev world and we were just talking before we called you with our producer Lindsey Collins and about how letting your workers go is actually a kindness because then they are able to get unemployment but I also can. Can you talk a little bit about the pay? It forward that you've been creating in that people can go to and on the daily and to learn more about that and contribute if they want to. Yeah thank you. We're just about to actually brought in that initiative quite dramatically so timely question We have we've had to re interpret with supporting our staff means As Nelly said you know initially we're trying to figure out how to keep everybody on the payroll and we realize actually the best thing we can do is move everybody to get on unemployment. It's quick as they can. Because it's not gonna be a week or two weeks events and so we pivoted to really focusing on lobbying on our staff be half Lobbying for more on insurance Unemployment insurance lobbying for the paycheck protection plan that allows us to hire them back in Funds that we use to payroll get converted. Gran but one of the first things that we realized that we had Purveyors cling small purveyors and especially are the personally by extra been working on. Scaling Up to meet our another restaurant needs then. All of a sudden southern market evaporate. Seventy eighty ninety percent of restaurant. Demand disappeared overnight so the initial thought was. Maybe we can buy eggs at the Jahnke. Lamar egg person. Who's going to have a spoiling and give them out. Dr Staff Free But a conversation that we had with a with a mutual friend of all of ours. You know he's sort of told us two ways to think about this crisis. One is through the Lens of scarcity and Wednesday Plenty and think about what you have plenty of and so we thought if there's a way to bring plenty to the wider community. We should do that so we created a program where anybody can donate as low as ten dollars. Although a lot of people donate a hundred several donated five thousand and That money gets used to buy groceries mostly from small local purveyors of but we're also buying things that larger purveyors have that are going to expire soon honoring those products keeping them from spoiling them And then we're putting those groceries in people's hands. We went from one hundred people that signed up in the first few days. This is now. We're at day ten We just hit seven hundred fifty sign ups now for grocery bags raised over ten thousand dollars and we are Actually now on this show live announcing that. We are folding our efforts in the feed the need the wonderful nonprofit that already exists in Charleston will be raising funds through that and we'll be going from One we started with Bush. Turnby is the only distribution point this week. We'll have four or five by next week. We'll have ten scattered throughout the city and we should be doing a thousand or more bags a week by next week. So you Michael. You corrected me at the top. Where a budding restaurant empire said maybe four formerly because of everything that's happened as as honest and open as you guys are willing to be about the numbers. Because I'm a numbers person. Can you kind of take us through? So if you have ten restaurants like how many employees are we talking about like? How long could you keep restaurants afloat without actually making people and having customers sit down like what does what do those numbers look like? Is there like X. amount in the bank and it can keep things going for a certain amount of time like how does this work? Yeah great question so so one thing is it depends on the timing of this could not have been worse because most of US experienced our slow season some roughly September through February. So we're just coming in to our busy season. Most of US use march through September to try to put money away to get us through September through February. I have talked to a lot of restaurant tours both in Charleston and outside of Charleston. I have not talked to any that. Don't have a significant financing and liquidity issues. I mean I talked to one restaurant or who had a million dollars in their operating account on the Tuesday that we all decided to close and he was worried about having enough money to reopen his restaurant with him assuming having included a lot. So I mean just one data point the last payroll that we did. But you're in be which was a national Charleston Taco shop in Nashville and the daily was close to one hundred thousand dollars and just wasn't an idea. How many people do you see EPA turnby? We See Eighty V. So yeah and the thing is payroll. Was We pay weekly? A lot of restaurants pay weekly. Some pay biweekly So your payroll was you basically had a full payroll with not more the U. Owed when you revenue went to zero and typically restaurants. Most restaurants work in a way that this week sales tastes her last week's bills. The last week payroll was paid for by the sales coming in this week. So when you turn the spigot off and your revenue goes to zero and you know people. Some people are doing a little bit of takeout business. They're still open. Some are doing a brisk takeout business. Even brisk business looks like maybe fifty percent of your prior sales so no. Nobody's really making money doing takeout. They're just trying to hang in there. A better place to reopen Yeah so yeah Kate. Typically restaurant is not going to last more than a week out of funds in the account that they have so without money. If you think like a very successful restaurant runs in ten percent margin in order to have a six month or a four months sort of like reserve of savings you would need to be running at a very healthy ten percent margin for four or five years and in those five years like no water heater breaks you know no damage no electrical fire and it closes down Tornado. Hit US in Nashville. The closes for a week. You know hurricanes you have to have basically four or five perfect years which doesn't happen in order to be able to save up four five six months you know and I think that in a place where people look is businesses like Boeing and the airlines that have access to capital markets can sell stock. They can borrow billions of dollars. You know they're in bad shape and so the local corner restaurant and I'll say melody and I thankfully are much better shape than most restaurants. Were more resourceful. We have banking relationships. We have multiple businesses. We've been established you know we're really fighting for alongside fighting for our staff as for the neighbors that we have down the street and across the street and around the city the Charleston. A great restaurant community and help make it arrest great community. Because they're the ones that are going to need the most help They're the ones that we might be able to put debt on our balance sheet. Go Out and borrow money and get re open. They might not be in a position of anymore debt on their balance sheets they might not want to take on so just last question when we hear so much about the bailout and the money in these loans that small businesses can get. Does that actually help restaurants like if someone takes out a loan? They still have to pay back that loan. Even if it's interest free and they still have missed out on a month of or more of the restaurant actually being opens like what actually exists now in this bailout to help our restaurants. Yeah IT'S A. It's a textured issue. I it's very well. Intentioned is a good start the Stimulus the what they call the three point. No has a program called PAYCHECK PROTECTION. Plan THAN LESS BUSINESSES. Borrow money Hire their employees back. As long as ninety percent of your employees are hired back by the June you qualify to have the loan get turned into grant. You don't have to pay it back idea what we push for was let us keep these people in our carols instead of putting them on unemployment if they're going to get paid anyway so let them get paid through US. They still work for us Unfortunately what happened was that got passed along with an increase in employment insurance which we're very happy they pass that increase in employment insurance but now everybody that's on unemployment is getting an additional six hundred dollars from the federal government for the next four months. There's so there's really not any reason for anybody to come off on employment and come back onto a restaurants darrow. Unless they make roughly sixty five seventy thousand dollars a year or more. And there's not a lot of those people out there if you make more than one hundred your salary over. A hundred isn't covered so they basically created a very narrow incentive that the only people who who have any motivation to come back to work or for restaurants or does making between seventy and a hundred thousand dollars per year and so. We're lobbying now for that to get fixed either in the guidance or as part of phase four. We certainly WANNA help employees as much as we can and we want. We don't want to do anything or advocate for anything that will take money out of our teams pockets but this bill unfortunately is has two pieces that are in conflict with each other. I love how practical and before we let you go. Can you just let us know? 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3x3 BTG E(Bridging The Gap)Episode 7: 1989

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3x3 BTG E(Bridging The Gap)Episode 7: 1989

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Don't know if it's eighty, nine or eighty eight, but I know A A. prior to this coming out like NWF easy jumped off really big people to really like I like these guys and. They, they came up with that. Classic EPA Police Anthem. That unfortunately I haven't seen. Me and others like ourselves at that time was like. This is our imitate life I. You, know like we do. Like if it hadn't happened to you by the time you own when it did happen, you no longer felt like they were making it up use. A this real like. And so that was big, but another thing that You know Kinda jumped off. Resign the stop, the violence moving. Relied on. A. Hip, hop was kind of you know we seem to go from. You know like DMC like daynard. Those guys and it was you know people forget. You know those early years you had these one off hit saw love You know some other people and but hip hop had this disdain of When there was a show it was it was followed by. Some violent. Something jumped off. And so they could see it kind of expand on. You Know Oh! Females. Pepper kind of be. They had done things. They run, but. They had that. They decided that label of it. Almost kind of one came with the other a hip hop so okay guaranteed fight. For Hip Hop! You know guaranteed incident I don't care who was it? Nowadays they could be the most mainstream rapper. There will be some jumping off you know, and then you know they weren't mainstream. All of them Kinda got lump did not mainstream at all. Yeah, and and so unfortunately you you just had. Those elements. You know kind of gravitate to that, so you know. The New York emcees. Massage. Don't think people really get enough credit for what they did. was kind of like you know you, you know. I I keep hoping like you see men today with everything going on, they will come together. And kind of do something, but in jobs is out for self. An. Daddy Oh daddy o from stet sonic. Who's who really orchestrated the first stop violence? You know you know he's been out of his has great relationship grown folks musical shot out home. 'cause that was that was a powerful Tunisia, and he's he's out. Here is trying to stop the violence to and You know I think he's trying to bridge the gap. What we do here you know trying to trying to bring. Different generations together, but like you said Yeah well everybody I mean of course. Obviously, we can't do so much just because of why everybody's at home. Yeah, but but. You know I think I think it would be great to see you know. Let you said the. Commission. Yeah their spin on it, so yeah so Dan. You know end. Towards the. Eighty eight also saw the emergence of. Late eighty s all I think emerges of new Jack. Swing is starting to really. You know gain some traction, so it brings us to eighty nine hundred. Eighty nine is good year. Man Said you know the eighty nine saw I know a lot of people who had. Least Eighty eight. Saul some a lot of dissension in eighty nine new additions heartbreak. Any heartbreak never heard of those guys. So. you know and it was closing the decade like say you know I know for US Ivan home. That was. you know like we with air for seventy nine eighty, but remember the actual ride shift and everything you know this when we were kind of like Oh okay and so You know MTV a station at one time rarely showed like video started. NTV RAMPS Thirty minutes a day in and again it was must see TV and so Oh rob city star, and eighty nine red say stars fall nine. With the Mayor Ed bt turn. So, and you know a lot of people who had a Mona owner. I mean we've talked about this before. January nineteen eighty. This are Senio Arsenio like. That that that was his. And Dad! Let me stay until like twelve. Lucky a enforcing. The I was a senior right. So my class schedule wasn't that strenuous. you know years prior, but yeah man like that happened. You know, so. It was like you know this was. You know you get by. This year was kind of following that come into America. Hollywood shuffle all those things Oh black film was. You know kind kind of blocking spike. Lee was the a cutting edge. Cultural Mike Relevant. Do like you know who's must see TV. You know like I know for movies. Everybody had to go. He came with a Banger. That year like do the right thing like? I don't think any of us were kind of like ready. You know like they were. Ready for it was. Funny because you think about that was like thirty years ago in the. It's like thirty one years ago. You like snow most the same thing. But. Saying Kinda summers yeah, but But musically you know stuff was. It was kind of I. Think auto place whereas pop was growing. I. Think some of the more traditional things like. jazzy R&B. and. Even some Gospel you know trying to figure out. How do we give to navigate this new decade? And so. You heard. Like a lot of machines in music that you normally didn't use to here again. You know. A lot of people who were. Strong singers! Found success, you know whereas you strong kind of. They didn't image packages. They what have you? been kind of failed by the wayside and. You know it it. It was an exciting time to even though it was a close at a decade, you knew something was about to start, but we just in no. You know what they was an You know. I'm I'm I'm a prevalent now. I probably make a lot of Acolyte, hip hop preferences, but hip-hop changed as I n W A was like okay, they switched from. The subject matter of yet my goal chains this. Less than what six months you dave also. Completely. Completely was like. These dudes. rappers like you know. They got own Paisley shirts, said he, you know the African medallions were be everyone handed you. African medallion and stuff like that and it was just. So you know it was just different Michael Jordan's do wanted to. Championship was still like the guy. Up That's right. Let me you know. That was bad. Bad Boys for life era yea. Detroit ones. Detroit was. Yeah, so so it was It was coleman like you know I i. mean it's funny. And, I'm sure you guys can save mayor related. Most people can't win your seniors in high school. That year like musically coach is divided into two parts for you. It's like that last part high school. If you go away to school, is that part? Would you worlds apart in? You look back and you're like wait. What Snow just told me? Our just. This hour's like completely completely different, so it was A. It was A. Different because you know it. It was just at I think it was a lot of pro-. We love to coach going on. Came across in the music and TV and Don't think that nature's. Miles, Davis autobiography came out in nineteen eighty nine. Best. Best musical bio. Good possibly ups. That's awesome. I would. Ransom on. Your? Feeling before we launch into this. Games so what Let's, let's let's. Let's flip it up so okay what you have for us. Is your first. A Lamb I I. Believe that I've probably made some people mad because you didn't pick this, you didn't pick that. Is like a lot as I could pick some stuff I made sure that you know. Pay But I'm get this brother some love because he lied, he had a short career, but he was Tokyo man he was. A, he was the. Next up out of the. camp. And My Man, the deal see came funky enough through a man in his mind because. I know what you about the. Naval that AGLIETTA's are, but you know some of us for like. Wait a minute S. That's over in. Misdemeanors! And and I remember once again. Maybe like a few years ago, I was have my students working class, and I played it, and they were like new songs on grand theft auto. But. Yeah, man, but yeah sat out. I he got some loving. Sporadic onto movie. Did. Goes Riding Jury and. Chronic type stuff may of course he had accident. Cut, his career short, but. On? If you ask anybody WHO's probably into hip, hop the that. A lot of love on both coasts. And North from south and he was. Like you know, I, guess when a little kind of divide kind of creep in because I'm gonNA. Do Jerry Girls in. A Bud. He got a Lotta love man Sir. Shot the drink. That was a great use of that sample man So. Yeah, let's take a listen to the do see from nine hundred eighty nine. Underline sample? Overs Misdemeanor which you know. I mean he's. Leon Leon is a genius Genius Leon. Straight up, so let's check it out. y'All ready for this. Aspen. I'm making. Written on. Could. You. Talk. Didn't Place. Game. Of. The and On a Off. Interest. Same! After. As. A. Day. So we're going man. That was that was other. They say about that. Not The other thing you can fall. That was far eighty nine right. Summer summer late summer. And I'm thinking more about the video. Yeah very stark, black and white video. Angling. Because it was it was oh well I'm thinking about the FA. No I'm thinking about the formula. Okay yet for that, so everyone was this one black notice. What was the color? Can I, was in black and white. It was a black and white right. Yeah okay I tripping. Okay, and they had the so I'm just talking about ICONOGRAPHY really quick, so the black and white you know the the raiders You know kind of shot out to the Raiders of course, which was a? Intentional because of you know, you're not wearing red or blue. Because of Gang Culture So, that was something that that became very very prominent in eighty nine vary. Already started it. Very. But this was like these guys took it to a whole. RAIN IS LA kings gears. You know the La Gains Word. had. La. Is You. Yes so that? That was big. I remember seeing this video on. What. That was my life I tell anybody that was my life as A. As a nineteen year old. Woman Got From School College. I'm at home. Do the homework or whatever bus videos? Yeah, especially on bt Oh. Yeah, there won't want. I didn't know just. Fly Young people who may be I'm reading. This is not with strictly known for a video station meaning station like it started like at noon maiden. In Go to lie six in you get like screen. Senior were bad Smith. Either man to go to like eleven at night. Yeah, like they were strict on strictly video strictly videos and I can tell you what they work. I was a nurse, so. Noone. You might catch a replay of video soul you might, or they might just do randy ideals the. or New Taping. Me Right that's right. There was a new tape it and then it you taping. Yeah, you did in the afternoon video vibrations and these, and that was Alvin Jones unseen VJ and on Monday. Okay? Mondays, you would get the Monday music marathon and they were playoff. Block of. Videos. You. Joining five o'clock with Sherry Carter An. Video L. P.. B. A down user with one artist on a year they were through, and then like you said you get to break at six o'clock with sometimes ahead what? They had a news unseen. Eight o'clock and come back with Donnie Simpson, and it would be. All, but you know what no, in eighty nine I miss something because eighty nine. At four o'clock, that's when they premiered rap city was the four five o'clock. Yeah, we'll. We'll yet at four here I. Rap me starting starting on I, four or five and go for like two hour block. into our. They go to like six six would be like the news in order. sprains ain't or something. And Eight. You'll be like bad Smith. You know some little talk. Show you know type thing and then. It would be Dadis. You know from what was played in twelve. Twelve they were replaying not a man, so he ends in my favorite. My favorite at midnight was. Nine. I'll be on the phone. Watch a midnight. Olek year. Actor goes off the city Jackson. Ohio you'll saw? Joins ban but but. I. Mean You know would? You. To say they were probably more diverse then. Oh! They're saying. You. Know Y'all notice because students of the cane. But do you know how many how many white artists bt broke? Paula. who was on bt a year before? She got on MTV issue lab. Yeah, Yeah Oh, yeah. They was on. Please don't go girl. You could just run it down the line, and not only that, but but I know rick noses in the mornings if you got up before if they weren't showing the infomercial. They'd be showing videos. Grover Washington Junior. Concerts or something like that? Yeah search! Bt Jazz, thing would where they would show like. Yeah, you're right like grover Washington Off I mean just. At the, he received concerts. There's something like Andy Jordan, or somebody joys, and it was wild wildcards. Yeah, like you just. You know I mean honestly. That kind of put me onto a lot of people 'cause like I. Haven't said like you just WanNa like. If you got a job or something, get up in the morning I mean. You sixteen seventeen. I stayed up all night anyway, so you kind of groggy him on. TV beyond like you've answered. Go gophers to be cartoon. Because I mean. There was no cartoon network and then. You'd see somebody that okay, he. Okay what's this all? To get ready you fixing breakfast using their eating out. And then you know it, Kinda stays unit. You see like grover Washington concerts, and or you know the Algebra won't. New. Ab like well. I, mean I mean I mean he's a, but you knew those names, but now you got a visual represent. Okay, but. I do remember De, 'cause they they they really. And let me by divers. Nobody thank I'm. Just being funny, but they really would. Like celebrate the coach Meeting R&B Moment they had two hip hop moment they had their jazz moment, and then on Sundays. They had their gospel moment, so they covered. You know the basis End Jazz piece you might see a blues artists I. Robert cray album came with somebody. Thought they had the annuity spectrum of black music like when they say a black entertainment. That's what they were in. And I think we're black entertainment around this time and I get out, so we're going reverse order so I'll go, and then I'll get so wrapped. Go what I was GonNa say I think at this time late eighties is also when bt Mater they made a valiant effort to show hbu sports so. There yeah. Football Games and of course that's banned culture like we talked about last episode. So very. Disappointing. Really important. Yeah, that that that was on. Yeah because David, do they? They were you know on your body occasionally? But you know they were still infants because they didn't come around to eighty. Eight. Eighty eighty. Eighty. Years Yeah so so they weren't. They were Kinda getting their footing. But they did do like you said yeah like. I'm doing a fall. You would see some black college games. You'd see a few basketball games. On. Time on. They got better I mean like I said like a standby. They were more diverse. Then you know then I. Man! That's only challenge. Watch watching now. destroyed. They were they were? In in and in. You know I don't know what's so. While they were members, but they had on Saturday senior summit. T something was like. I mean you know that will I do the college teams on it? I mean it was just the cultural. Eastside to me I mean. I'm young kind of a change a religious way from. I mean eighteen some really. Spoke to. You know because I think it started eight hundred eighty nine right like teen. Some came fall eighty, nine eighty. I don't these Johnson. On their. I mean. I? Mean imagine a platform. I say today where kids could talk about what's going on. Amazon that. That's what teens somebody was new. And now you know like they don't have an outlet other than will goes as some crazy on me. Can over man as a political tick, Tock? A. Voice in that now take time, okay. so. You. All are not going to believe this so I I. Lose a ricker setting the stage. Of the tone, today's episode with it's I feel pretty confident in this. Let me tell you are some nine hundred eighty nine. I was due to hip-hop. I'm looking which is like you wouldn't think that I know I know, but. I'm still Diogo, deepened a hip hop and I can really. Go, go records. Kinda sucks so I couldn't really find anything. Yeah, he hit a here tape off the radio. Most people like play, but anyway. I'M NOT GONNA. Say anything about this, but except. Summer Eighty nine. This was my attitude. If you were riding with me in the Ford Mustang. Run. You probably want to hear this because the Ford Mustang in the fall in that turned into a Nissan Maxima, but we. We ain't GonNa talk about ball and. balling out! But. Here's the attitude. Yeah. I think we're finest record. The employer of a year, we're back to work outside sombor for the. Joke, due to the fact, they wack and they're trapped. They go back and stack because they lack the ingredients. He'd be MD scratch. They have popped bus bus the so shop Tim. Phone. One rex the other. You raise a mess. For Mommy jump. Back Mapping all pat away for soccer, the talk but beat a mass in AMC field. Seventy. What's up. Jack. Some. Up when it's time to show. Dr Don't. As a glance, double Michael Foale wreck to McAuliffe singing mic check. Until the ladies. Go some. Call me the number. Slow Moa brothers on my job. pull the way you hold up. Kick. That is the wrong. Man stews upon this. That's the wrong bravado to give to a nineteen year old black. Massive. Many Gate! They use overlooking hypocrisy. Is So for the Camp I've met. People forget just how consistent they were. With. A nice run, then they may man's run I. don't I don't i. don't think like. I think whenever I see these things on Netflix sometimes about email that. EVOLUTION OF HIP HOP Things of that nature. Is. Never, but people forget man I. Like. From the first one I mean just on aw man, and in the style with the fishermen, cavs, m saying and and audit type stuff man day day they were. Air Compares Make Dollars Man. I. Am, I mean I mean like you said like if if if you knew anybody that within hip hop did and they didn't have in these one air cassettes. You like met. You Ain't in hip hop. You, Ain't you? Yeah, I mean because I remember like when they came out because that was my freshman year Phone And Is when you say that because this was after the incident Light Virginia Beach Greek Chris Sale and and Not Anybody. Who wants to know what I'm talking about? Check out the beginning. Of the brothers work it out. Yours truly was there I saw i. was there through all that footage? that. That was the fault I came out and like I remember like you know when you're on campus. As big as it is, is kind of you know music kind of? Feel the buzz in. Catch divides. Everybody's feeling so that was I. Remember cash from New York Band all year Louis Pierre is out. Bravo. Yeah Yeah. I love. I reached him a bag. I had e PM These Song Royal. Aged. I'M GONNA. Go hang daylight out of the way. Had To be played so I couldn't pick a song. I think I want to do must do do buddy just so we can use to. Be Shifted in. Five dog. Oh wait. They took. I don't know how to pull. Might be able to pull audible. Let's see I forgot. You can't find that. Really kept. Streaming site. Be Beefing with Tommy boy. Contract contractual stuff. Well Hey man, I, get it. Like my run me. My run me my dope. Muslims other database. Yeah I. DO remember them having some issues with that man, or or you know them kind of. That's so unfortunate man. Music businessman is. Asked. All right, let's see let's see. Let me let me know if the. If y'all can hear this. Important. That Ha-. That's hard. To. That, yeah, beginning, okay. Well as soon as A new way for the little skip. Putting vinyl on and you know. You know. Piece Principles the name. I'm here to break down the definition of buddy, but he doesn't mean girl or sex for that matter. Buddy simply means body bodies of all kinds so in that. Video. Why. Soon. The soul. Now. Wait a minute. Quantity. Makes you levels straight? The brothers. took. Dang. Our. Face. With a cab. Off Dan! WHO said? Before he was known. Cat. The. Dancing. Africa. Turns. Got Smile. Buddy. No Pun intended. CanNot. Just say some. First of all. Thank you so bra for bringing that. Ricker alluded to it. I'm going, you know we can all chop it up and say. What are we whatever we have to say about it, but I just had to say something. Really quick. About that. That music that group that whole movement like you mentioned Rick, that is so important to me. GonNa tell you why because I feel like. We talked about four the culture. Talk about certain things land up. Think about something for a minute real quick. As far as prominence. Mars. Who has platforms at this time and so the message? That's going out. You have public enemy. You have daylight. You, you have. Certain extent and I mean, of course you have what was happening the bubbling of gangster, and whatever on the West Coast, but let's just deal with native tells de la. In Alexa public enemy, Pe and all this. And a show on television. About Black People in College? And in a a a network. That's black people. that. I mean I'm saying is to say by US. And? It wasn't wasn't that they were. It wasn't that they were glorifying. The worst of us. Is what I'm saying. No, no, no. We're still in A. we're still in a time period if you think about it. Especially we'll probably like say you set the tone rick because cause. Is? More hip hop joints coming. Because I know I got one but. This is still before hip pop becomes corporate. This is still before. Tommy boy. Daylight. Tommy boy. EP is on other jams. Dash, Cam. You got job. which is a little job RCA? Coal Chilin. Even though it's the deal with want brother I'm saying to say. Dat. Uptown Recipes to. Entree Entrepreneurial Andrew. With. This is not major mainstream. Corporate. Product now is not there. It's you know I. Mean You said it best of? I think probably I would say eighty nine could be summed up with when There was a you saw. As a raise the coach, we will put best foot forward. And and so when you look at the fans that came out when you look at the music came when you look at the military works and stuff on TV. There was nothing. That could even be classified as being phone it was. It was groundbreaking in provocative. I mean so you know alleges transcended even with Arsenio you. You know what I'm saying. I E he was. Staying in and like you had. To keep him nothing at this time, you had the cosby show. Him in a different world I family matters I think he even come out maybe. Before yeah I mean. Yeah I mean you know we had? You know the top. You know. I think back like literary publications Ebony Jet. Black Enterprise Ebony man. I make or you know like we had. You know things that data positive way. So you're right, man and I think you Weren't I. Don't think they also use their initiative. I saw I. Actually read whilst the tribe documentary the other day. Concerns. And each time like I said this when I documentary again when I saw a man by day, law sold needs. I'm like this could say like you know I. think There's something there that we don't know. Story just hasn't been told we guide he. You know what I lo bits here and there and so you know that's that's maybe on them, but Yeah I think somebody needs to so any aspiring filmmakers out there. You, you hit it. You know I. Mean From Potholes in my lawn checked out buddy. Me Self and I. You know I mean like the whole thing. Was it was a? It was a culture shift like. The yeah. Yeah I like I knew. That loved them and I knew they didn't they hard enough because they weren't like you know like I mean starter jackets and saggy pants. Have you and Shouts at him, man, 'cause. That'd be myself an IPO like hit a dead on the head. I use that. I use that as a video lesson, my some of my students and they. Have watched it and I'll be like idea I'll get it. They're kind kinda like. Now let me start again and again, and then they're like then I explain to him that the you know. MINU celebrating being. You don't have to conform. Russia's have You're like. Oh, it makes perfect sense now. So you know just the context, but you don't see them video like that today, you. See in Hollywood shuffle when he goes for the audition. He's like yeah, we need. We need to Chris Brown type Okay Really Nikki Moniz title. Only need this and it's like everyone. I just remembered because like I've man. I, we knew in class with the change in the girls. The door knocker earrings. Dues where Cain goes like this, make you ale and. You know like you don't like to be boy stands I'm just saying i. just do in the cafeteria. Lower. Hallway at school come you know excuse, yeah, A. You know it was those things man while but I. Do have a funny story to tell you of. It is for us. Oh, Bob because you chose that song. My freshman year at at at at at. And I state, university we have these LAN parties every day like the first week. Nobody Student Union Bill. Is August is hot out there. You know they play music. Da People today is king mainland in so coming across the lawn. And, I notice it must. Shoe was untied so. So. You know I kind of like detour somewhere where you now that. dropdown. Trying to cool as a freshman, so tell us you. And I see People Amino people all around me, but. And I see this brother like standing next to me and I'm like a scathing on asking what time busy. He was like A. And I look at him. As a you know, excuse me bonuses time is it and I stand up and look is true boy. From. A. Girlfriend was. His, some girl he was Dana. Time would ever was a freshman at gene steak, so he? Radius as crazy. Remember when I saw him I was just I. Don't think. He was just telling my. He was amongst everybody. Know Bodyguard, no entourage, knowing how you see them in a video does is exactly how they look. It was no. Oh Man. Any discipline. You avid fast forward. Today November. I'm flying home for Thanksgiving. And then the Richmond area. I have to use the pay phone. Only Armando. Phone on one of those. At home. And if. They take my quarter. In somebody's next to me I'm a band I. Say same. A quarter. On, may you can swap. Big Taller Dude. He's I. Don't is pairs for EPS. Just done a show erase. My is is like. Around winter. It was like. Painted around, you man. Able you might I you? He's The forest couples hip hop got. I had known what I know now. I'd probably get a come. And Say I. Need a Bass Player. Yeah. So we're up to NO NUMERAL DOSE OF A. Soon as back to you, the rigor I bet you. Know. I'm not gonNA guess, but I'M GONNA. Keep it to myself and see if I was right at the air. I think I think I know one thing I know one of them Oh of our no man 'cause I, 'cause I was on I was back and forth with a lot. On this when this one I know? It came out on album in eighty, nine on did become popular until ninety, but it came out of eighty nine. GonNa go with. An I'm giving a shoutout to two people on this. Because the the man producer on it is like. Dude this nasty funky is, is I. Is like people like cats. No like you say, his name will be like. ooh, NS chucky booker. dougie bucket. Yeah, like Chucky Booker in Bandhu. And he he had A. he had a solo come on eighty nine. which city did. But I didn't pick up, but I didn't pick that I'll be a. he had a dope sold out, but song that I'm picking this on that. He did for the car true. I. It was a remake. The is. A remake of a Jackson Edsall now. No Yeah. That's so you know. You're not going to say the sacrilegious thing that I always think. was that the the remake was? You know. Let me say this. My Dad. been. You, know I. I was resigned to for years saying that Lewd markets, mother would king of. Oh they could. Do you know like outside at home? You know creeping. You know If anyone had heart, you know, they would've king, and then you know of course in later years Leyla you know, became she kind of took that man to Iran with but in nineteen eighty nine. chucky booker and the guys from trump took this. Probably. Like the unknown giants advice on. Like literally a no, Jackson APPs on you know to the masses, I'm not gonNA, say Jackson. Demand and breathe new life into a man and. You know like whenever I listened to it I'm listening to light that harmonies and. Everything, man, it is all do. And as you on his like move. To your story after. This short one. owns. Jail. This late. In the. Take the long way off. Aw. Could. Keep going on that and yeah. I'm. One of these days we're going to have to sit down and really revisit. The Jackson, five catalog post. Like the love you save, and Oughta hits teenage years. Have Revisit that. Moving violations and now. Man Yeah I. Mean You know what? I'll be honest with you. Attlee by. The Jackson Five Song. Not A. Year I didn't I didn't know to a DJ quiet own. He's a he. He played it. He played the true version. Of Jackson. On Jamaica. We lost you. Asia muscle okay. jemaine Jackie talking in this on a hey girl. They you know, be teenage, Mike. A man, but you know does I mean again. Man Sound. Like you I miss that about me is that was a very well written tune? Oh goodness! We'll see. I don't want this too far. But I was just gonNA. Say that use what you just said right there, and that's like my big complaint all the tab, not all the time. Listen can I say this out offending one? By. Now you put this back on me to. Who knows I? Write sauce. They might not be great. Whatever my point is this? That era of motown. Very tightly controlled. Good, and bad with that there's good and bad. There's something to be said for when a songwriter is just focusing on writing the song you have a producer. This just focusing on producing you have artists that are just focusing on. You know. Privacy. and. That's. You know, but he's hearing. But now because you can sit here and do everything. People think they can do everything right. May. That's rare prisoners rare. You know some other nameless people that we won't name. Can Fly drayer. Or they thought they could fly. They believe in little talk about him shock. But you. Very difficult thing. Right and to produce yourself, and like you said so when it comes down to is like the quality of material like we live in an era, nat people get gassed. Offer a track sounds like but the song they name. Garbage, but my because the song was written so well, you know. What was it twenty? No, not twenty. It was what fifteen years later snood. He Yeah. Yeah and you're like. Think the ritual, seventy five or something like that, so you get this and you go like for our generation. I'd never heard of joint before and. Contain later. They released it again with the B Five, group. and. You know just testament to. Choke you booker man in his position ship. Because that you know. I just recently learned how to play that and just like the based on thing. Is I missed? Thing is like doing all types of that. You can't hear hooker. Here like initially, but when you get into like me. and. Say before Rick's because he stole my thunder. Last but shot out to Chucky book. Who actually accepted my friend request? Man He's a good to. Tell anybody I'm put up on game. All you cats out here. Who thinks nothing? But you know you produce or you want to be what was? The hot thing now down the streets alarm the MD okay. Cool this what I need you to do not what to do this needs to do. If, you can see chucky Booker's fees. facebook. Hair over there as much as you can. And he always puts up the clips of when he was MD for Lionel. Richie Janet Jackson T. L. C. when he was MD. and for award shows, and that dude is the king of segues his. Is. Out To you can't. So. If you want to do these things, man, that's shows. That's what your school. That's when you textbooks. GO CHECK OUT TRUCKEE book. And you will learn and I mean you know. I mean the fact that He. gave up his Solo Career And became strictly an MD materials you. And before some other people that will name and shame, that's no shade on there. I think these guys. Doing it now, but he was at cat. I Yeah I mean. Yeah and also I think Richard is putting a Lassie D.. Oh, I wouldn't. I wouldn't live at Vegas or something. That's yeah. That's where I live at Vegas was. Some. That's a heck of A. Lot. More every night for the hits. His catalog and the commodores cataloged. Also Man you know practiced chucky because? What a lot of people I remember I'm, so you remember Ivan? You know later. In nineteen ninety, because nineteen nine Janika with the nation, and it was so big. You know following controlled. People were like you know back then. People aid is great. We love it, but we need to see you on stage. Oh, yeah, rhythm, nation, world, tour, and all, and so to duplicate that you know. Of course. She went to jam and Lewis. and. You know like she has some people in mind and the only the only person that they co-signed. Was Chunky Burke. And this is Terri. Lewis and Jimmy Jam when he talking about. You know I'm I'm no offense to the other guys that came later, but to duplicate debt stuff that time. No easy task and he had he put together phenomena Obama. Some of those guys do studio work stuff now like Diori Allen above. The people managed alone. I caught that show I caught when those shows man. It was out. I was eight is I primarily went to see chucky. Could me and my man went drew me Andrew Laszlo. James. So. It was like it was like a day before. Everything when you like. It was man. I'm sure seeing Janet was okay, too. Think. Was It, you know. You! VICHY use. Jefferson. Eighteen fourteen, but around here somewhere. A from this show. As? A world didn't make her eggs. So. I have to I have to stop. I will segue into my next pick. And I will just say this. Yeah, thank you offer helping me. This is therapy for me, this is. You know. This Cathartic because you'll give me permission just to say what's on my mind. So what's on my mind with his next cut is that? When these folks came out. They might have been the. Second or third group that I kinda. Knew about and there's another person who's floating around at this time and the first time I heard her speak. I was just obsessed, and I think I'm probably obsessed until this very day with this Mon Johnson, who you may know as mony love because. I had never heard black. Friday, From Britain grading. And then I in my math class in college was a young lady from London. Sister and she was simple, sat me and ask full papal. Like, Joe. Do you know so so yeah? I didn't I didn't hit. WHAT THE IGNORANT JOINT! Did she know anybody from this group. No I'm not playing I love mony, but She wasn't in one of my picks. She had a birthday just recently. Welcome to the club. Mony shows. He did welcome to the club, but this right here. Satellite Chat, Williams right here. I'm not going to say. What? He would usually say right here. I'm of to this day. Obsessed with this woman's vocals. The production of this is awesome. Now let me shut my mouth up. Play the track. Do! Jazz. either. All the tension with the strings. I just got to get to the top of the bridge. I've just say something. I'm always just saying something sorry. Just positive vibrations. Cool joint but I. I don't know if people can understand like what the kind of does to the psyche and the reason I say that is because I remember being a nineteen year old kid in a party with that job just rocking. People just Dassen my. You know what I'm saying, but it's like the message. It's like it's like felt light musically and what they're talking about, and it's just like people was just awesome. Just. You what it is is vibrations. This is just also we just tuned into a different side. Do No matter man 'cause because I remember when this song hit and it was You original light remember it. It was acapella. So I know I know for those if you'd be like Admiral, did you talking about seeing openness belly? Movie Belly. Fat was met with the original song. I remember cats just playing that part. Doesn't little. Killing me and it was A. In it's funny, 'cause. I always. Brits sold you know like when you think of Brizo I mean like now. You know like you think of the income needles generic. And let you know like before that. It was brand new heavy before it was sold out so. Was Said Five Star and So. Like the breeze always. Are Our brothers sisters over there. New Calling it. Had A A GREAT REVERENCE FOAM So music can. How did a music man and is like you know like initially? Of course, it was the beaten. Beat kicking. The year get can't He would come to find out that. Yeah, you know again. She worked with jamming on a more money soundtracks eight right? So. Hit with something, they are more than what. You never. Maybe what Jazzy beat Newton he had all she. Phenomena which and yeah. I can speak to my generation on this one. The first first time I heard this song. The fresh prince of bel-air was mathematics. That truly. Culturally. Episode one of the Freshman. Sabella. As you did. After this all comes back. I mean in the context. I mean I think it was. They might have put something out before cheaper moving, but keep on moving. Was the smash like I? It was like everybody was on moving and all of a sudden when when they dropped the remix to. Back to life. So rap, you don't get you. Don't hear people moving as much as you hear back to life. Now! We're Nana's. You hit a that like original. No, you keep on moving was senior. Sure were chemo. Tonight, you don't back as head like the infamous album version with the drop. Oh, man that. Five people put that in the party like everybody stops in the rockets. Beat comes in Oh. I remember when it came out like people thought Teddy Riley has nothing to do with that. So you're up. All Right? Yeah, so that's another song angst. Bag there all right. Luckily I. CAn't spares okay. Tear today okay. Let's see I said this song I don't know why I'm drawn to it. But I. I come back to it. You know every couple years or so this is. Stephanie Mills something you made me feel doom. Nineteen eighty. WHO. Ever. Sir. Maybe, it's rain. You know for my ears, pleasure but like. I know you do the research so bra of. Is this honorable wimbush joint to? Good I'll look it up. They had a stringer. Stringer collaborations do hits. Sounds like but but continuing I'll look it. You Yeah Yeah I don't know. I. Don't know what happened happened in Y. I'm drawn to it so against. It musically makes sense in my head. But but yeah. Mother's well. She loves it song. So that's that's why I take. This went after stole to my tracks. Good and similar tastes. Are Man and you know what we're going to do so brave. You're like batting a thousand and I'M GONNA. Tell you why because what we're going to do once. I stopped being lazy in our. Edit this episode. We're going to send this over to miss meals. Because she's very active on social media, she might even follow grown folks I'm not sure but she's. She's like super, cool and active on social media and we're GONNA chop this up and we're GONNA send it over to. Because we're celebrating her musical. She's dope. I saw mills if you want to. Waste. That sounds like Wimbush. Thinking that. Inshore sound. Right. It it makes me feel. Off. And I'll send. Until you? Thin! been. In you showed me that. Send the fast paced. GonNa. Expect Cabeza. You've always been. Two Style. and. Me Into. Don't. came. To What a great choice! I would never hurt movement in a video. Was Not expected that. that. Deep in the bag man! Moving. Out Load Up. Hold Up Komo now. Up to say because of. Not because. I. Know Okay Me, can you tell that? You what? Happened In two thousand five put a post up. Around, the grandma was a big cassidy fan. Hatton, whatever and Kathy had punch line in the Senate was like. It's something about the way of making me feel like Stephanie Mills. Dues Dude get into certain songs to win immunity further girl is sounded. True. Okay all got special meaning. Do If. I mean you know like I listen to astronaut by Angela? Bowl failed at Gandhi. It'll be. Yeah. She was seventeen years old when she wrote edge. Fini's. Measures you. Don't play that song on this show. Even the wheel down and covered. Don't play it, yeah. Nothing feeling. was great choice man man. I folks listen producer people. Songwriter. You got two things homework. You Got Chucky Booker. Booking, Chucky Bugger, and now you got Angela Bush and let me tell you. You, there's so much you can learn listening like listening to that. There's so much space with the vocal, but then there's like everything else is happening around and then it just they know. Win The right right, so you like stick. I'm sorry. I'm being a geek, but like the chorus. The course is going on something in a way. You make me feel no I can't say. Feel and in inner space right and the base of the accident bound won't answer. A conversation and then there's another conversation that's in the back there with the UH high part is going that that that so as To it's. All these things talking to on all our still just. Check. Their. You know man to and we've had these discussions. Several Times over the years in rehearsals and gigs and after gauge. Abattoirs was You know there's a lot to be said for. You know funding the arts in school. And, so say you know I know a lot of people you know not to step on. Anybody sold out. Out there now, but you know you can't be a doctor just by. Practicing at home. You know you can't be a lawyer. Just 'cause you got some. Goal you put down. You know so like music is Kinda the same way now what that means is that say you know? Do you necessarily have to go to school for Music Oh, maybe maybe not. No, but you do have to have some type of training. These people. Who are at a certain echelon level, you know we know checkbook as one Bush prints. Was He domes whomever? They spent a lot of time. gigging. Working you know doing stuff playing in church. You know like those type things and when you you, you know. They got outside of their their bedroom with their pants room The ones. Have you and so when you marry music. You learn what's going on in this on this on has a bridge is song is a two five. One know thing is on, has this? Oh, these are what the background vocals doing. This is what basis during an end as you? Know, take apart song, learn you know and learns what makes it work and play it and play to play it. You begin to add those things. To to what you do and what you said earlier. You know. Like a testament to to you know like there was a time period where Okay Clinton. Davis of Amen Fame before he was actor, he was a song. He wrote never changed. Never has now come home. Did you to him. Play it only piano. WANT TO CHECK No. wrote the song each wrote the song I'm. Like Quincy Jones you know. He knew had to pull Kika rights of report on landing, so to answer the Wimbush Testament. Say you know she knew from her training. Okay Stephanie Let's do this. Let's try this here. Let's do this. Let's do this here in, so you kind of see those things so I'm just saying that's a you know this. If, that's what you're calling is in. That's what you WANNA do. You know that keep that in mind. Doctors learn to be doctors in their room. Thank. You gotta get out and do themselves on. Roy is not going to be lawyers in their room and I'm not trying to beat a dead horse I'm Jay. Z goes to it I. mean you got to get out in Canada? is ways ago about it. You don't necessarily have to go to school, but you have to get some type of formal training or drain to kind of. Help make yourself better. That's Amino. Say in my opinion. That's a large megyn wise. Like, people have these things like with music. Nearly you know not really finding it at enjoyable well. It's because what we've done. Is We've said? And especially social media amplifies Max magnifies. We've we've said. Everyone has an opinion which is true. Everyone does have an opinion that that is. True. How ever what we don't do, is we? We don't make a delineation, or we don't do a good job of making the delineation between an informed opinion. You're just. Don't do well nowadays is we? Don't deal with criticism. Right so everything is everyone's hating. Everyone's a hater and it's like no. You do realize that a Lotta Times sometimes when people are given critical analysis of something. They may see something in you, and they're trying to make it better, or they're trying to say. Have you thought about doing it this way or have? You tried doing you know and we don't people? People nowadays just say hey I, made this. It's great. Support me. It's like what sucks. Any I. Musician friend of ours on. If you know Kevin Simpson Place. Gansel, I haven't years ago. We were On my son like movies or something, then I think we would biker Boyz was coming up. After boyhood is go ahead and. And I remember I. Remember asking him and Crai- Craig's. Asking him. To support black, Negoti biker boys or like. Upset. And they were like. I'm down for the COSBY. Doesn't need. It you know support, and not that of film that need support. I answer. They were saying was at. You. Know like we as people have to get to this point of no, you need to give us. Standing a this is the standard, and this is what you need to give because I see people. I mean not like I always laugh when I see people talking about. You know like they were talking about the Tyler period movie on Netflix's the bad weeks and stuff on that and so I might okay will eat amino in rightfully, so come on. I mean you got? You know like this. I mean you have enough to kind of get some quality. But on the other end. Of the consoling. Outright okay whale. You know if you say that to you know, speak, speak with your dollars in that with your. Voice. Is Not, I mean so so and I think absolutely right I then. We've got to a point where we we. We! Don't I mean how do you go from? Songs I. That's the way the to. You know despite my baby, daddy or something. And, so and so, and so now we blame artists, but sometimes they're making popular. Yeah! I don't think artists fault. You know what I'm saying. Yes, I mean that their fault, but it's like I. Think you know when I mentioned about like? Just talk about music as a commodity and corporate dynamics. Sad to say, right is sad to say, but you have people in and all that stuff about we stand we you know black lives. We all these corporations optimum new business there. Yeah I didn't even try to hear that okay because. There might be a few people in their sincere about it. You know, but the bottom line is if you really WANNA, make a difference if you really wanNA show the black lives matter. Let's start a being careful. Let's be concerned about what we're putting out as content and I'm not saying that to say like on some censorship stuff. That's not even. Say whatever you want to say. But why can't we? Why is there not a balance? So if there's no balanced, then then you start to say Oh, well, there must be an agenda here because it. There's no balance. But the other thing to your point, Rick one of the things. I think about. With this especially this great last. Example and we're talking about songwriting production. Here's the thing that people don't do or some people don't do they don't do enough of. I said I said it. Go do your homework this is. Angela, Limbo! Adore I like seriously like this is? ABC saying I just something about her spirit, and she writes on which she sings I mean you could hear Stephanie's Ad Libs. That's that's a answer. So, she probably. Just the demo learn joint whatever but. My point is why yelling in my house. I don't know my my point is that. You then you go deeper right, you say okay Rene and Andre. You study that, but then you say Oh, wow! She's a product of Howard University. Music School. went to music skin. She was in school and in a group with Richard Smallwood. Yeah, yeah. Okay like say. To AG. Who goes on to do you know? Juicy two may sing background like. You could name. Serious I mean same music program did okay. Donny hathaway and murder flat canes and Donny is from where Saint Louis and where's Angelo limbers from Saint Louis and they both go to Harold Wheeler who did dancing with the stars as well as? The conductor for the WHIZ. Howard University, so you start to make these connections and you say to yourself. Okay? There's something here right, and it's like you said you have to go to school you. Don't have to go to school, but. You have to do the work well. You know it's like what is. Is something like kill Mike? Say Once I, heard him say about. Schools Atlanta being named after. A famous black people. Saying when you, you have a school named by person. Honestly realized that like you're walking in greatness. You know you is Anthony with our music when you do this, you know realize that. You are in greatness. People came I. mean before you all you gotTA. Do is look like you said to do your homework. Just I'll. Your. Show your work? That's cool like. Greatest math student. But. I'm like I'm I'm more of I'm more of the variety of. Oh you got the right answer, so you must have you did something to. Point. At this point. Yes so so yes, this. Man This is this is great. Farce saw. Make sure the clip that up and send that over to to miss meals. That really wow like and again. This is so. It's like you say rick this year so interesting because you have all these things swirling around at the same time so like you talk like diversity like diversity of thought so Stephanie Mills is not new Jack Swing. saw. No. No. I mean you know like that was It was I mean we joke about it now. The New Jack, swing Oh big like every. Right I think by fall eighty nine hundred everybody. I mean trying to duplicate that song. Everybody had like a one hit wonder. Haggard new new jet. He did I. Tell You. Why did he sure did I mean? No, so it was out. Don't take my mind on a trip or something like that, yeah! So. It was a a an email like everything that trump overran beat was kind of. You know. I mean label unfairly lie new Jackson. And so. It was just huge man like that. That was a total left. Of US that. Total. Total left so so yeah, so we now have arrived. In my last three on billboard, but I'm saying honorable mention one. Man. I'm torn between your last one. because I was GONNA. Take like Big Daddy Kane smooth operation snowball. That's. Okay, but then I pick A. Tone from Batman Soundtrack because he anna's. Helped with the sales of that. Is A who did descend. So shot out. MANJULA announce our go pick a tune. But And then I but I, but I would be remiss man. I gotTA give it up to my. To my other two. Two favorites. Man They. They they they are you know probably? I would challenge. Anybody came up during era. They have a song written by these two guys as part of their. Childhood Teenage Soundtrack. And so that fall they did arena Janney. As people now think Genitalia Jan Jackson, but let me tell you some. You Know I. Tell People all the time. I don't get fazed by nothing. As a beyond, say does 'cause I lived Jane. Old. Brompton warning about the HIVE, yes. I mean. I mean you know? A COM check this out. Beforehand Day like was. Teens. And so you know like online available so. I, mean you know Janice and say Madonna do the? Female Pain. At. The same time, so they were really you know. Kicking doors down. I know that would be really easy. Real easy coming behind him but only. The corner. And so I. Amy Listen Treasury. I'm Chris Rock State about the time when he saw. Insulted Atv Awards you the things I know how this story. One was anyway. That'd be. He's dead. You know a joins me. People like data's go calm when you're chosen, Rancho. About somebody. I! I will say you know you know I'd rhythm nation what made it work? and which avenue that you know we all know hits, but the first part. The album was like straight social commentary absolute. You know limited world that they didn't make you know about school shootings in kids man. They had a you know it was just. In the knowledged you know auto at banks and so You know shot out to jam Lewis for that because they because you know. You Know Imbaba janitor because she never really was I hate. This is just me or to take credit for those years. I always loose guy. And so they? They did a great thing that song I picked man was probably you know whenever I showed this video to like students they are just is is is like interesting. Showing kids videos that Li- like. We saw too much. Elvis when they see it. In just like. Is so foreign to a my wow and it was the. The alright via the heavy duty. and. And so another monitor. As I wanted to. I collaborate with hip hop and. Rb because everybody was you know like believe it or not? You know was A. He was considered at this time. Probably, the best season hip hop. Oh, absolutely an inch. 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They just different like you know we just try to. We try to be better. We just trying to show our best sales. We just trying to have a good time. Is Positive is divide. So again like I said not perfect now I'm not saying it, but I'm just saying I. Just be on it. We just. Having a good. And so now I gotta do to make more work for me. Journal I'm Lazy I'm lazy. I gotTA. Do to now because I know for sure. Than ample Jimmy Jam comes on the grown folks site for. An instagram! Yeah. To You know you have to do that so Somebody stole off fire. Oral Man is. They didn't steal a fire. By. Plane Song by this artist. But. They did mention this artists which we appreciate because. That's what this is all about so I'm just gonNA play this joint. This is one of my. This is my this might be one of my favorite. Join Spider on. This in something else that I'll be quiet in plant. Oh. uh-huh! The ended. Taps is woman running man and video? Do! Secure. Little, eight. Pack. Bill Horse. Around? 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I got hold on I. I was GONNA. Say they're like Oh and. and. Sorry. Exciting? Woman chest One of my favorite. What is one of my favorite? Andre Lewin Bush tunes. Treat you right. WHO PRODUCED IT? Irish. Place. To to them on one song then you gotTa. Check it out nineteen ninety four. And? Rights Houdini righteous sir. And the thing about what I was sitting over here, smiling like listening to the song I listened to it all I mean you know every couple of weeks, but what I was smiling about was I was like sitting here like you know you see people on the U2. They've doing on his because I'm going to. Do. This was doing this thirty some years ago. He was so far ahead of his time. Since yet anybody that was If you enter the Minneapolis thing. I'm in A. He was on your radar because I remember when the turned away video came. INTO UNINTENDED IN A box. That's my attention I. Get, so he must be. Do. I mean he must be worth taking on many. Purpose alone. Okay, he's panic. 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SCOPE very thing What what often gets looked will know what all gets overlooked in Spike Lee's classic I. Do the right thing. Is that Sam Jackson? He's where he's the DJ And he does this. We love like music. If you remember, he shouts out all these people. He needs and all these people in is. Is is is is not one particular, John Is. Jess follows the booth. You Manley's liberties. You just summed up. And so I think. I mean. We missed that you know all over. The Johnson missed despite Lee for that. 'cause 'cause he kinda covered. The basis of a you know these people have given a culture so much. You know he's going to say look. We love appreciate before in, so that's my went the other one. Also because Out saying this. But I didn't know that he was go pick this on. He picked. By bed. Not. With with? With everything going on I. I know a summertime, and so I know a lot of people do not traveling enough for some of US may get to go home, you know, see family in France. I`Ma can't travel this restrictions so and. In nineteen, eighty nine, Stephanie Mills. She be visited because it was twenty five years. The twenty five. Twenty five year anniversary I think know the guy that did the with passed away. Oh Charlie smalls and she revisited as she redid home did on there. Yeah, it's on and Take six is doing background. And all types of so, that was my honorable mention tuneful. Favored by man, so like so like you know like you missing your family members May Kengo say Kate hugged him. Type Stassen and which which I think, if I'm not mistaken Charlie smalls. From Yemen. Ta Cross and you need to check him out on instagram due to stow. Okay music. Common Chair in the history. I want to try. He said. Charlie smalls is from Queens Bridge. Yeah I. Know somebody that was. In her life Mr Wiz had passed away. And sold sold. Version man so 'cause like you know prior to that time if you didn't have the. You know the diner version in you had heard version on style. On a cast I'm yeah, budge they that that that remake will take singing. Background was just like. Beautiful and and and I have to say this now. This is eighty nine on into ninety, so it was really ninety, but again it talks about the tenor tenor of the time, and says none of us graduated in ninety, but anyway so it happens. Is You have that? With home being revisited revisited. Then you have. Melba Moore Jenning all these artists together to do a version of lift every voice and sing. It was cool, but I mean Bobby Brown on. You know what I'm saying. Around at the height of Bobby Brown them is. Saying He's. He's bobbies. Which honorable mention shadow to bobby. Brown because. Even those don't be cruel was released an eighty eight. He is still in eighty nine. Commodity. Fan He did. Go Sports Bus ghostbusters. Oysters ghostbuster sue on our own. You know he's what was he? Missed it was he the first musical guests on Arsenio? If not the first, the first week of the show I WANNA say. Because when he comes on our senior. That's the first time we see the Gumby. He had he had got the Gumby together and. Of course I. Don't have a Gumby I. Don't have anything but league. Whatever! Yeah. I didn't know that okay. Yeah one of the first one and I joined so. And just my. Honorable Mention mentions shot out to the whole year. Eighty nine I think it was A. Great Year of music because. The music was so. Diverse if you wanted to go into some stuff of like, you say like kind of a a chilled out nature with the Stephanie Mills Anita Baker giving you. The Best I got was still rocking eighty nine. If you wanted to here and now is that right? Yeah. Double he won't say anything. Join the mobile. Let me wait and all. Yeah so you luther, you got. All the new Jack Stuff I mean you guys guy and like all the. Groups that are like Gallo. BASIC BLACK AND They knew. I think thanks come out there. And then everything that was happening hip hop. And you still had the residuals of light chats. In the jazz world lots of. Jesse was on. You know. Went and all the We got the last Last album. With Amanda I. Mean You know? Like I said earlier man. Your. Main especially like if you're in college. You know. I mean music hit. You differently 'cause you're you know in in? A in a setting that's not as in unlike high school. Where everyone's kind of on the same by you know in college. It's like multiple. And so you know depends on just what you pick and choose in so It was interesting man like I just remembered You, know I think musically. I didn't know what was coming next. I was just Kinda like okay. Well, let's see what happens in so You know that's that's kind of where we were like I thought it was was. Seen, as Amino I was with the moment like I wasn't fully in. The? What was having I was just Kinda just riding the wave of okay. Yes, EPA begins big daddy became yes okay. You know. What I W A. Ban Public Enemies in trouble with the Jews. Wow, okay. Gene Yeah. Just a lot of stuff I mean he's. Just like? Oh, wow, okay? shoots. People were. You China College Michael Cultural, appropriators laying wrongdoing, but I. Mean just just in in. You know in addition to this. Is Music Changing you know stuff on TV, and you know media and everything. We were getting Nikes can I rap city star like I mean who donkeys? And I Y to two major video networks showing rap videos. Our is the I mean you know who knew. You know and I think Arsenio had US I. Think being represented night. Donnie. We come in and yeah, you know dinosaurs. HAD PEOPLE COMING IN? So I mean it was literally like I. Mean You know? Like I laugh about it because we would always like if a cat went home for the weekend, he recorded videos in. His. He came back Sunday night. We'd like jam packing their own in. Video? Latest and we just watched like two hour. Taper just musically. Same record because on campus. They didn't have cable, so see don't. Stay. or or or or or like you know somebody from somewhere ahead of you know like an advanced copy a sophomore. Or something. So I am. Very cool man listen. I cannot thank you all enough. Hours, thank other has. A highlight of the week for me. To speak out into just I'm always trying to figure out what you're going. I'm kind of. Stopped trying against. It makes him more point. But? For our one that we would be remiss without playing. Do have to set the stage for this. I always loved to tell this little anecdote. Thirty seconds, but imagine if you will I have the cassette single of this song, and with a friend of mine, and we're going to see another friend of mine in Richmond. WHO started vcu Now island Charlottesville. Seventy two miles. Seventy two miles from here to Richmond. When I tell you. The there is no exaggeration. There from the time I turned left on the Fifth Street exit. To sixty four. This song played. The entire trip? To. Really two miles now we had a cassette, so we get to the end. rewind. The whole way, and when I tell you when. We got to Franklin Street. We just jumped out to call. So I. You know if you at home and you want to rise with the national anthem or whatever. They take a knee. Hey, Hey! Have you want to express yourself? But piece to brother brother. FLAV. And also Branford Marsalis, who's. Away again. Brand for playing crazy tenor on this. James Brown sample. towel. Need Funky. And the entire bomb squad squad. YEA, an. Hey Teeth. Timer UGH. Ovidio Spike Lee for that all. Even kill. Them. When, I I saw an MTV, as he was filmed video, because they did have a little behind the scenes, thing, and I remember as I. He's got. The store go. african-american figures on postals has like. I mean now like when you see Jesus Audience Cliche, but. Nine hundred and May June of nineteen, nine nine fantasy that. and He. Would this person? Who is this person who is this? Doubt Man. Yup. And I know the whole joint just like all of us here we go. Best. Best educated best equipped best. Treat refuse to fight. This to say that they would rent a switch. One. Your Heart y'All. kittens. Romantic. Number three. Walk. Switch. I I. Realize the. Back. To. Say. There's all. On the. Cake. The roster. A. Part. But I. Got To get to this fine. I'll leave it alone. Thank you. Again. This is the album version through day Oh yeah. An album of version vital. It's. Our Job. whereas. You know we still here. You know what I'm saying. We still dealing with with the same stuff and I just WANNA. Thank you all for for not being here today. I was doing this. I, also want to say to the audience. I hope we gave you were able to give you a little bit of a slice of what nineteen eighty-nine felt like. From my own experience that to twenty twenty me and nine eighty nine me, as should be very different. And and and I will say that. I see chess out on the streets, man and I feel you. Like one hundred percent like I, don't want anybody to take from. Your older you on your part of the limitations. That right there. And as Ricker alluded to Greek fest, which I was supposed to go to, and didn't last minute. That's where we come from. We might have different ways of doing things but. Same Struggle Man, saying so we got changes things for real like and not even playing. So. Any final words from from anyone I do. I got A. Some that I gotTA share with. You edit this out if you drive. On 'em, but I? See. No. I Fail You A. STORY OTHER! Data her, so I had to share this with you because you're not alone. Virginia State My. Dad Knew I was like you know like really into music and stuff so. I packed my guitar, my aunt and on time and been like if you remember at the time, this is when CD radio's just come out. And I got like a graduation gift a CD. BOOMBOX, so who? Killed Eighty, nine eighty. As! Kill them in the own. But my dad was like your first semester on once you take. He's like most you focus on school and. and I had just switched from. My vinyl to CD over the course of the year owned mostly stuff I had was on CD I still had a few. Some stuff about on like believe it or not. I bought a lot of hip hop. Tastes 'cause they're tournament each. Like the routes, it was Kinda like disposable. Didn't know I was going to be. With my tape collection. I get to the dorm and so my roommate. Of course you know, learn how to like live with people that you did know. Heating particularly. Want me touch radio. The problem with that was he only had two takes. Switch first album. Straight OUTTA COMPTON! To savage spectrum. So. So so. And I'M GONNA. Go ahead and say that so for music like me to every day from August. To like the number. He played a key switch on every night. and. Play the Indian. And then he played that he played it in e play the NWEA join now of course when he left I don't know I played. Full Confession. I mean you know because I had a TV in say, he didn't so he would be like you know. He tried to give me with one. Watching TV and I was like. Do you don't want me touch radio? Your? Compromise, so we did but man I. Had into breath. I feel you're paying their bus ride. Congress you? I promise you and this is no life I. Listen to either one of those two albums. This was eight I. Promise You I did not listen to either one of those two, absolute, eighty, ninety, four, ninety five. It was years before I could matter of fact I still to this day. Have not heard without accounts all the ways. Is already. down. To this day I have not heard like. Make it last forever all the way through to this day I, still haven't. Like when I hear a song that go. Yeah, that's that, but he played. All. The. F.. Night I don't. Even WanNa just bores I once. You guys a mother tapes. Those I. Like all the time man. I have I had to deal see lack. In heavy's second one in I has stuff uses it. Just I. I feel your pain. Brother man like. Anybody did man listen and Mutasa? You, if anybody out there statement, don't let Y'all know. Hey, you know from August two. Times. Hall! and. Shot to a man like you know like it was a marrying experience. And so. You. Go through those things you know I. You know I think he picked up some stuff. Like Hey I need to diversify music collection. Man, but to this day. But I have not listened to either one in A. Matter of fact. To be honest with you, Yeah, it's like like I would do certain songs like Nwea maybe. As as a teaching lesson, but I wouldn't I, haven't I haven't played strata content from start to finish I'll go. In there. Eight mass it is you can, but. Shared Eddie terms of the context. So. No No, we. Entertain anything that was that was done i. mean that's real life and those things that we face and so it's good to hear that because that informs you know your musical sensibilities next. Next week. Is a special week. We don't go too far. Afield because we're going from ninety. To Ninety Eight on Bhagwat! Shoot so. Shoot Let's just say. Bet You. Some people are going to be going in others bags, but You never know. eighty-eight was eighty eight was a great year for hip hop as well as music in general and so I'm very excited to see what people. Come to the chamber table and yet that's my. Year of of graduating from high, school. I haven't reducing that. No one is going to pick bobby mcferrin story. Not. Happy with the number one. Yeah. I don't think anyone is going to be taking that one and you know what? I'll end on this note, and no, this is no shave. My fellow Virginia brethren, brethren, but when they redid. Fighter, power. GNAWS and all these cats bt awards. I was and I, didn't see it, so I can't say maybe they did do this, but I I wanted them to revisit the song. And like where he says the land don't worry. Be Happy was a number one jam even. Some. Just one of them say happy was the no. We're. Sorry. that. It. Would've been I don't know. I mean it would've been. It is kind of like you. Were Eighty eight eighty eight. So. I guess. We're Kinda close you. You have your Sergio to chains. you Switzerland's. Fee Laws and you're. A within radius nights. Snakes British nights. True outfits. So for all of us here grown folks music. This is the three by three bt G BRIDGING THE GAP PODCAST rate. Subscribe to your friends. TELL GRANDMA GRANDMA Grandma might be peace Wefan, you know. So. To next week to time, this is your loved man or by government name is there? So province middle. Ricky government name. IS THEY'RE? All. So reshat you taking the time to share with us and I appreciate you. Gentlemen for joining us in doing this one wants to Jan and we will see you next week. Always a pleasure way? Death.

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ARP 163 Germantown

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ARP 163 Germantown

"Lou Thank you for joining the American Revolution. Today episode one, sixty, three, the battle of Germantown. Two weeks ago general entered. PHILADELPHIA CAPPING A months-long campaign that began in New York. Then down to Maryland than overland March to Philadelphia. How had outmaneuvered Washington's army and taken the city without any real last stand after defeating the continentals at brandy wine. Now, we moved away last week where we caught up with what was going on with Burgoyne Army in New York during this same time. So today, we're going back to Philadelphia to see Washington's response to house capture of the city. Although the British general had reached his goal he had left General Burgoyne swinging in the wind without any support in upstate New York. But that was not a primary concern to general how of primary concern was the fact that he still had not opened up the Delaware River meaning his invading army could not link up with the navy and reconnect with outside supply. Lines. General Hal left the bulk of his army in Germantown. Today Germantown is part of Philadelphia, however in seventeen seventy seven when the northern border of Philadelphia was Vine Street in what is today center city Germantown was still several miles north of the city. As, you might discern from name it was settled by emigrants from the Palatine region in what is today southwestern Germany. By seventeen seventy seven the Germans had lived in the area for several generations but still spoke the German language rather than English. Most of the German people who came to Pennsylvania were members of pacifist groups who had fled the nearly continual state of warfare that defined much of Europe at this time. They had no particular affinity for the militaristic Henson's who were fighting with the British. At the same time though as pacifists most did not join the armed opposition of the Patriot, movement either. Some had fled the area in advance of the army's occupation. However many more stayed put and tried to make the best of life under military occupation. General Hal with General Cornwallis went to Philadelphia with nearly half the army. How would end up occupying a house on market street which had once been the residents of Lieutenant? Governor. Richard. Pen and most recently that of Pennsylvania's General John cadwalader living there before the British occupied the city. However at this point, how maintained a headquarters at the home of James Logan well north of Philadelphia at about a mile south of Germantown. A House first order of business was to open up the Delaware. River. So he could reconnect with the British navy and the outside world. He had to deploy a brigade of three thousand soldiers to March all the way back to head of elk Maryland and escort more supplies back to Philadelphia overland because the Patriots still controlled the Delaware River. He also had to prepare for an attack by the continentals which expected because most likely from the north at Germantown. In Philadelphia, how made attempts to prevent looting or plundering by British soldiers. He still wanted to win over the locals and be accepted as a liberator, not a conqueror. How needed to establish local support so that he could at some point, move his regular army onto other cities in north, America. Almost as soon as how marsh into Philadelphia Washington was planning to attack. On. September twenty six the same day how March into Philadelphia. Washington moved his continentals to penny backers mill today. What is called Shrinks Ville. Just a little over twenty miles from Germantown. There he consolidated his forces reporting on the twenty eighth that he had eight thousand continentals and another three thousand militia at his camp. The next day, the continentals marched about five miles closer to the enemy and a few days later moved another three miles closer putting them about sixteen miles away from the enemy. Washington's intelligence indicated that less than half of the British army was camped at Germantown. Actually it was considerably more than half. But Washington's total force still slightly outnumbered the roughly nine thousand enemy soldiers camped at Germantown. The British had laid out their camp in a line forming east to west. On the east or British right flank camped battalions commanded by General, James Grant, and Edward Matthew. On, the British left flank where battalions under the command of generals cray agnew, Stern, and knipe thousands, Haitians. The line extended all the way to the Schuylkill River where Hessian yonkers held the far and of the left flank. Washington, as he liked to do developed a rather complex plan of attack dividing his forces into four separate divisions each approaching the enemy from a different direction. General. John. Sullivan. who was still awaiting court martial for his actions on long island and brandy wine commanded the first column supported by Anthony. Wayne's brigade at least those who survive the Paoli massacre. Lord Sterling and General Maxwell would follow Sullivan's column as a reserve force. General Nathaniel Greene commanded a second column which was the largest battalion of the group containing about two thirds of the total continental army. His force would attack the British right flank commanded by General Scranton and Matthews. The. Third Column made up of Maryland and New Jersey militia under the command of General William. Smallwood who as you may recall had lost half of his command due to desertion and failed to engage the enemy at the Paoli massacre. Would march to the east et attempt to move around to the rear of the British right flank. A fourth column commanded by General John Armstrong would march to the west to try to move behind the British left flank. Washington ordered all four columns to engage in a night march so that all would be in position for an attack beginning at five am on the morning of October fourth. From there the forces would converge from their different positions on the British camp with a bayonet charge. Before I get to the battle itself I wanNA give a quick background on of the generals it just mentioned. I, mentioned William Smallwood a few weeks ago during the Paoli massacre. Smallwood came from a prosperous Maryland family which owned a plantation. As a boy, his family sent him to England for his education where he attended. Eton. And we think he may have actually been a classmate of Barry St Leger, while he was there. Smallwood returned home to run the family plantation. He also served in the Maryland, assembly like his father grandfather and great-grandfather before him. Coming from a family of wealth and status within the colony small would also served in the colonial militia and during the French and Indian war served as an officer on several campaigns. In seventeen seventy, five small had attended the Maryland Convention and was an early advocate of armed resistance to British policies. When Maryland sent soldiers, smallwood was among the first to go to New York as a colonel. He served on Long Island and was wounded at the battle of white plains in seventeen seventy six. After that, he returned home to recuperate and did not rejoin the army for some time. During his convalescence Congress promoted him to General. When the British landed at head of elk in. Maryland in August of Seventeen, seventy seven. General Smallwood decided it was time to get back into the fight and raised a regiment of two thousand Maryland militia. These were the troops that scattered when the British attacked General Wayne's continentals at Paoli. He recovered about half of his army that had not run home and joined up with Washington's continentals for the continuing fight. Washington then ordered smallwood to take his division on the far. American left to go around the British right flank and attacked their rear. The other division commander that I hadn't yet mentioned was General John Armstrong. Born in Ireland Armstrong was educated as a civil engineer. He came to Pennsylvania in seventeen forty as a surveyor for the Penn family. One of the areas he survey became the new town of Carlisle, Pennsylvania. And I. Guess He liked it. They're so much that he settled there and started a family. During the French Canadian War Armstrong served as a colonel in the Pennsylvania militia. He had led twenty seven hundred militia soldiers during the Forbes expedition to recapture fort to Kane in what is today Pittsburgh from the French. During this expedition he served alongside fellow militia colonel, George Washington. By Seventeen, seventy, five Armstrong was a brigadier general with the Pennsylvania militia and an outspoken patriot. When Pennsylvania joined the fight in early seventeen, seventy six Armstrong received a commission as Brigadier General in the Continental Army. He put his engineering experience to work setting up defenses at Charleston south. Carolina prior to the British attack on Fort Sullivan. Armstrong then resigned has continental commission less than a year after he received it to become a major general in command of the Pennsylvania state militia. He the left flank of the American line at Brandy wine. Since the British tack the right flank at Brandy wine. He didn't see much action that day, but he did have to retreat with the rest of the army after the American right flank collapsed. At Germantown Washington gave Armstrong Command of the division on the American right flank with orders to get behind the enemy's flank and attack. That night the troops struggle to get in position over dark and unfamiliar, terrain. The first, American to make contact with the enemy were from the head of General Sullivan's column led by French General Thomas Conway. The Americans began a firefight with British pickets who did have time to fire a signal gun and warned the British army of the attack that had just begun. British Colonel Thomas Must Grave of the fortieth regiment of regulars commanded the defense against Conway's attack. Both sides poured in reinforcements. Anthony. Wayne's continentals reportedly fought viciously and shouted remember Paoli as they ruthlessly cut down the enemy even men trying to surrender. General Hal personally rush toward the sound of gunfire confronting his retreating soldiers. E ordered the men to form and told them that it was just a scouting party. About the same time he said that an American cannon hit the tree under which how was sitting atop his horse making clear that this was no scouting party. At Sunrise, a dense fog remained over the battlefield preventing Bo. From determining where anyone was and leading to great confusion. As must graves regulars fell back against the much larger attacking continental force he ordered six of his companies to take shelter inside a large stone house owned by Pennsylvania Chief Justice Benjamin Chew. As the rest of the British line retreated the British inside the Chew House became isolated. Initially several of Washington's officers proposed leaving one regiment to keep the defenders of the Chew House from moving and continuing on with the main attack. General, Knox however objected. He thought it was an error to leave a force in their rear. He proposed taking the house before moving on and Washington agreed. The American sent an officer under a flag of truce to demand surrender of the home's occupants. The burnish defenders fired on the officer and killed him. Next Knox brought up several field cannons that could smash the doors and windows, but we're not big enough to penetrate the thick stone walls of the house. The Americans charged the house but were shot down. A few did make it to the housing got inside but were quickly cut down by the defenders. During the assault. Washington's aide Lieutenant, Colonel John Lawrence the son of Continental Congress delegate Henry Laurens was wounded. Another officer John Marshall, the future chief justice who had received a minor wound at brandy wine. A serious one in the assault on the Chew House. The attempt to take the house went on for over an hour. More American regiments drawn by the sound of gunfire march toward the house. General Adam Stephen who was the advance of General Greene's main column marched his battalion over to the House as well. General Greene's main column of continentals was behind schedule and had not yet reached the battlefield. General Wayne had advanced beyond the Chew House but hearing the firefight continuing their believe that Sullivan must be having some trouble and turned his men around to assist. In the Fog Stevens Regiment and Wayne's Regiment saw each other thought that each must be the enemy and began firing on each other causing both brigades to flee in a panic. As Sullivan's division continued its frustratingly ineffective assault on the chew. House. British generals gray and grant lead their regulars to attack Sullivan on both his right and left flanks. Hololens continentals then feared they were being surrounded in the fog so they to panicked and fled the battlefield. When grains force finally arrived, it struck the British right and forced back the defenders. The, American soon, found themselves in the British camp as the regulars retreated in the face of superior numbers. Grains men had smashed the British right flank with fair. Success. But with Sullivan's divisions or dispersed the British who had deployed there now turned on green's flank. Some of grains force at fallen out of formation as soldiers took the opportunity to loot the enemy camp. When the British counter-attacked, the men were not in their lines and ended up fleeing the field as well. One of green's divisions led by Pennsylvania's General Peter Muhlenberg push deep into British lines only to find himself cut off from the rest of his own army. His division then had to turn around and fight its way back through the British lines to join the rest of the continentals. Of Muhlenberg, regiments the Ninth Virginia found itself isolated and surrounded by the British counterattack. Forcing almost the entire four, hundred man regiment to surrender. The remaining bulk of Greens force retreated to safety. Colonel Polaski who now commanded a cavalry regiment that was being held in the rear when the British attacked is men fled on their horses and ended up riding right into Greens retreating infantry. The infantry thought the cavalry were British soldiers and scattered. Green then had to struggle to restore order and continue the retreat. By, this time British General Cornwallis, had brought up even more fresh battalions of regulars from Philadelphia. Cornwallis pursued the retreating Americans for about eight miles, but gave up his pursuit. Their Training Americans marched a full twenty four miles back to Penny Bekker's mill where they had camped two days earlier. Most of the army between the march to Germantown and the retreat marched over forty miles that day and night in addition to fighting the pitched battle. Many. Of the men had not slept for nearly two days having marched out the previous night to get into position for the attack. To give an example of how tired they were, there's a story of General Muhlenberg during the retreat. He tried to get his horse to jump over a fence, but the horse refused. Asthma Lemberg paused for a few minutes while some soldiers broke down the fence to let him pass actually fell asleep in his saddle in the middle of the battle. He woke up a minute later when a bullet whistled past his ear and he heard the screams of the enemy charging his position. Over the course of the battle General Stephen was found at one point nearly passed out on the battlefield. He would later be accused of drunkenness and actually ultimately lose his command. As a result. He would face a court martial and be cashiered short time later. It's not clear if he actually had been drinking but probably not to excess. is condition probably had more to do with exhaustion and sleep deprivation. And he was not the only general in this condition general conway was found asleep in a barn and General Pulaski was also caught napping in a farmhouse during the retreat. Now also as part of this retreat, Continental General Francis Nash Used His Reserve Force as rear guard against the advancing British. I haven't mentioned much about Nash before, but he was from North Carolina and had only received his promotion to Brigadier General a few months earlier. He had a long history though of supporting the Patriot cause. He had been an officer at the battle of alamance before actual outbreak of the war back in seventeen seventy one. And he also served as an officer in north, Carolina in the early years of the war being present at the battle of Moore's Creek Bridge, and also at the attack at Fort Sullivan in Charleston. South Carolina. After his promotion to general, in February, seventeen seventy seven nash remained in the South China to recruit more volunteers. However when the more senior general from north, Carolina General James More fell ill and died in April. Nash Took Command of the North Carolina regiments that were fighting with Washington. He had committed those regiments at Brandy wine and as I said, had been held in reserve at Jeremy Town. But as the continentals were treated, Nash saw his chance to get involved. He advanced his men to buy time for the rest of their treating army. It is attempt to slow the British advance. A British cannonball struck Nash in the hip while riding his horse. The same ball that injured him also killed his aide Major James. Witherspoon. The son of a signer of the declaration. General Nash was carried from the field, but his wounds proved mortal and he died a few days later. The British also lost a general that day about the same time as Cornwallis as divisions pushed on the American retreat in American sniper shot British General James. Agnew. Who fell from his horse and died. I've talked about the main divisions that fought Germantown. But remember General Washington had also sent to other divisions one to march around the British left and the other to march around the British right in order to attack from behind. General Armstrong's Pennsylvania. Militia were assigned to attack the British left. They ran into a group of Hessian yeager ze near a Hicken Creek. The hashes pulled back across the bridge. Instead of charging them no the militia just brought up their cannons and fired from a distance. When the Heche charge back across the bridge toward the militia, the militia pulled back even further and ended up retreating from the battle. General smallwoods, Maryland, and new. Jersey militia had been assigned to attack from behind the British right. Now they had the farthest to march of any soldiers and they took so long to get into position that the battle was over before they made it their. Small would join the continental retreat without really engaging the enemy. Overall, for the battle, the British suffered about seventy, killed and four, hundred and fifty wounded. The Americans lost about one, hundred, fifty killed and over five hundred wounded plus the nearly four hundred fifty that were captured mostly from the ninth, Virginia. The attack Germantown showed that the Americans were still ready to fight even after the loss of Philadelphia. But beyond that, they accomplished little else. The continental army pulled back about a day's march from the British encampment. Jeremy Town. Washington established a headquarters at White Marsh while his army nursed its wounds and planned what to do next. They would remain there until December when they would eventually pullback into winter quarters at Valley Forge. The British remained in possession of Philadelphia and Germantown for the next few weeks. General Hal then decided to abandon Jeremy Town pulling all of US forces into entrenchments closer to Philadelphia. It was there that the British and Hessian settled into their winter quarters Some military analysts argue that the battle of Germantown very easily could have been American victory had Washington, not got hung up on the Chew House and instead at taken most of Sullivan's division forward to meet up with Greene's division. Many, also blame the bad luck of the fog causing confusion on the battlefield. Others argue that Washington drawing up such a complex plan of attack that required for too much coordinated action without communication was doomed to fail. I think much of this comes with the benefit of hindsight. continentals did not get the victory for which they had hoped, but they were able to retreat with most of their army intact and prepare to fight another day. Next week, British General Clinton, which is in New York City ventures north to see if he can help with Burgoyne army, which is by this time getting into some really serious trouble. Hi thanks for joining the American Revolution podcast after show. Thanks as always to train and George Davis for their support of the podcast at the Alexander Hamilton Club level on Patriot. As well as Mike Hager at the Robert Morris Circle. level. Thanks also to John mcinnis for his support via paypal. I also wanted to know with sorrow the passing of Bernard, Belan a couple of weeks ago. Dr Belan was a noted history author who has a long string of books written over sixty years. I've used many of them in writing this podcast. He was a history professor at Harvard for many decades and won numerous awards. Even though he lived a good long life passing at age ninety seven, he was still producing books as recently as five years ago. He contributed so much to study of this era and I just thought I should note his passing. This week, we heard the battle of Germantown as the continentals attempt to hit British occupied. PHILADELPHIA? The battle at Germantown was one of many of what I would call successful losses for the Americans. The British held off the attacks for reasons I covered in the main show but failed to do anything about the continental remaining in the field. More importantly, the attack was a key event for the French. The British capture of Philadelphia caused some in France to fear that the British might be able to wrap up the war despite the loss at Saratoga. The attack at Germantown made clear to the French Shantou the rest of the world that Washington did not consider himself to be a defeated general and that he would continue to fight. This is actually what the French wanted. They were in no hurry for American victory. Any more than they wanted a British victory rather they wanted Britain entangled in an American quagmire while France attempted to recapture colonies in other parts of the world. Germantown made clear to France that the fight would go on between Britain and her colonies, and that's exactly what France wanted to see happen. There is a fun story about after the battle. The continentals found a small dog, a Fox terrier. It had a tag on it indicating that its owner was none other than general. William. How Washington returned the dog to British lines under a flag of truce. It's a nice story about an act of kindness between two men who were at war. There's even a whole book written about the incident called General House Dog, which uses the incident to look into the personalities of generals. How in Washington? You can find that book by Caroline, tigger on my blog for this episode but that's not my book recommendation of the week. Rather, that honor goes to Germantown a military history of the battle for Philadelphia October fourth seventeen, seventy seven by Michael C Harris. You may recognize the name Harris since his book on the battle of Brandy wine was my book recommendation a few weeks ago when we covered that battle. I'm actually taking a bit of a chance on recommending this book about Germantown as I have not read it. The book is due to be released next month in mid September twenty twenty and I have not yet been able to obtain an advanced copy. Even so given his other works I, very much look forward to this one. It is reportedly over five hundred pages long. So there should be plenty of details about this important battle. Harris's writing style in his earlier books is very narrative, driven and engaging for the reader. So as I said, I'm looking forward this one and pretty confident that it will live up to my expectations. So for most of you by the time you're listening to this, the book should be available Germantown Military History by Michael C Harris. My own line recommendation. This week is a really old magazine article called the Battle of Germantown by Alfred C. Lampton? It was written for the battle centennial celebration in Eighteen, seventy seven for the Pennsylvania magazine of history and biography. It's about forty pages and a good summary of the battle. So despite its age if you want to read more about the battle but not a whole book, then this is a good option. You can search for the article on archived dot org or find it on Jay store. I have direct links to both locations on my website or on my blog at blog dot Amr podcast dot com. Finally before leaving for the day. I. WanNa give a shout out to founder of the day. I recently did an interview with the host talking about how I got involved in podcasting and my interest in the American revolution. It should be available by the time. This episode goes public and you should be able to find it on founder of the day's Youtube Channel. In addition to his youtube channel, he has a website called founder of the day dot com. And every day he produces a short video biography about a different founder usually only a few minutes long. What I really like about founder of the day is that most of his picks are pretty obscure but interesting individuals from the time of the nation's founding. I've enjoyed short informational talks and I've even heard about people that I didn't know about before be brought them to my attention. If you want you can even catch his interview with me on the channel so I suggest you give it a try. Search for founder of the day on Youtube or go to founder of the day dot. com. Well that's offer this week I. Hope You will join me again next week for another American revolution hide guest.

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Week 6 Waiver Wire Pick Ups

NFL Talking Heads

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Week 6 Waiver Wire Pick Ups

"And. Go to the NFL talking heads, fantasy football podcast, show here your hosts, Jeff carrier, and Seth wall. Hello, everyone and welcome to the NFL talking heads, fantasy football podcast show. I'm your host Jeff carrier. My co-host Seth lull as well. We are back heading into week six, I can't believe or already heading into week six. It is career z. some of the highest scoring so far in the NFL and some time and also some of the closest games they said. So kind of interesting Nair said, I wanted to kick off the episode with a quick question on Alvin Kamara fans are, what is the panic a meter at zero through ten, ten being very high. This. This is a tough one. I would say so ten is really high. Right? And then one is obviously no panic at all. Right. I'm going to set it out around three only because it's not like this is a new, a new variable. There were adding into the equation. We saw him play with Mark Ingram last season, and he was still a stud. We, you know, the only question people have with Alvin Kamara is okay, Kenny in a second year, can he do that? Was that a fluke while we saw him do without Mark Ingram? So he still a stud his, you know, you're just going to see his floor is a lot lower now. So without Mark Ingram, he's his floor is basically twenty points again, all touchdowns all the catches. So now you know worst, the worst case scenario for Kamara is a week like or or a game we saw. So I'm not panicking the sense of trying to trade him or or anything of that sort. But if I'm a Alvin Kamara owner. Then I am not happy at all because he went from being not human to human. Yep. And almost like the rest of the team while I guess the only other part of that team that could fall in that category is Michael Thomas who had a ridiculous I three weeks. I mean the fact that Michael Thomas and I guess probably most of the saints receivers are catching the ball at like ninety five percent rate specifically to Michael Thomas is absurd, but that that means also that Michael Thomas, especially if the saints playing better defense and have a better ground game, then he doesn't need to be utilized as much on week basis. Right. I guess you can kind of draw the same conclusion with him. Yeah, Yep, absolutely. I think when you Mark Ingram into the equation, everybody takes a slight step back on the saints. The only person that may and even drew Brees. I mean drew Brees had a great game, but I think we're gonna see a lot more rushing touchdowns probably from the saints, maybe not as much as last year, but. Yeah, I don't know. I wish I was marking Mona. We'll say that, and I'm glad I am at least a couple of weeks. So let's move from the panic meter to the hot seat meter. I want to run through the teams here real quick. And some of the more obvious ones will spend a little bit of time on. Let's start a head with the AFC east. Give me a number one through ten in terms of this coach being on the hot seat. This is kind of where this kind of starts trucking along in terms of, you know, the season's not over yet, but we start seeing indication of what type of season some of these teams might have. I think that the most interesting one might be if there is an interesting one in the AFC east is Adam gates, the Miami Dolphins. Starting off three didn't play any real opponents losing to and row one in an embarrassment to New England. One losing from behind to when there were ahead to Cincinnati, Adam, gays, hotseat meat, or one through ten. The again ten being he's probably getting fired. I'm gonna say probably a four or five. I think he has this whole through the end of the season, and I don't think he has a lot of work with Miami and they start off hot so that by some a little bit of a little bit of time with that being said, though, that also means that if he goes on prolong losing streak, it looks much worse for him. Then if they started like Owen five, and then he wins three games in a row is how you're trending. So I still think in terms of him getting fired before the season's over, I think very low and say, you know, four at the highest. But not very good dolphins team. So you know, I don't think you can place a ton of blame it on gays. Okay. I'm gonna have follow question after he's next to teams to just because I feel like they're in similar situations, but let's go next to Buffalo Bills and McDermott. I'm going to say eight eight. So you think that even though you know you can kind of draw similar conclusions with Miami and we haven't talked about, you know where your hotseat meter is before getting on the air. So I think I'm a little surprised by that. Give me your breakdown. I, I mean there they were just complete Bockel last year, so I think he has that going against him and I guess he has a rookie quarterback. So he has that working to his advantage, but buffalo. That's that's tough. I, I think that I don't know. I feel I think the buffalo, I think he's in a worse position than I'm gays. I mean, gays has a better record. I think you could say they don't have lots of work with and and. At buffalo, even one two games. I mean, my only has one more win. Buffy the fact that even one two games is kinda surprising to some degree. I mean getting blown out by like what? Thirty or forty points against Baltimore week one wasn't wasn't great, blew out Minnesota in Minnesota. They did blow Minnesota in Minnesota. Yeah, I, I don't know. I could be wrong. I feel probably more strongly on gays, even though Adam gates did have a worse record last year, then. Then in buffalo did so, but I put him, I'd put McDermott probably may range. All right. And how about the jets Todd Bowles? I think Todd, so I'm gonna say to Todd Bowles. Okay. Only. Because so am I sound like I'm talking on both sides my mouth, which you know wouldn't be the first time of me doing that, but he's got a rookie quarterback the jets, the expectations for the jets were pretty low coming into the year. He is in a second season as well as bowls. The second or third season. Third, I believe right think it's his second. Good if we knew this, oh yeah, we can look. We can look it up. So and the jets are gonna have a ton of cap space next year. I think assuming the jets can just hover around five hundred finish like seven and nine. I think he keeps his job easily in now if they finish six and ten or five and eleven, then all bets are off. But. Todd Bowles. This is his second third season with the jets. You're right. So. Yeah. I mean, I think in order I would put Todd Bowles fourth season. He started in twenty fifteen. He was ten and six and five and eleven and five oven on top bar. Game of, I mean, who keeps track of had the jets coaching. The fact that he's Bennett for four years almost makes me want to think that the the hot seat meter is even higher because he's he's been giving more time. Here's here's kind of moving along here. Here's my question to those three. To those three specific, hey coaches, but a lot of them kind of fall in this category. You know, two years in and Todd Bowles. Now in his fourth year, where do you start? Where do you just kind of start drawing the conclusion of, hey, they don't have a lot to work with, but from what we've seen as a head coach, they're not getting more out of their players on accomplishing more. Than what they have. That kind of makes sense. Like there's nothing there to lead me to believe. If we all of a sudden got better team that they are the championship winning type of coach. Well, I think I think it's tough for for the bills and the doll will really all three of them. Because the I mean, we we say the jets probably have the most talent of the three, right? Maybe none of the three really have a ton of talent. And as long as this is a crucial season for all of them. But as long as they're being competitive. I mean, I know what you're saying, but you look at Jason Garrett and look, Marvin Lewis. Probably two coaches that should have been fired five years ago still have jobs. And I think overall, I think Adam gates has done an okay job working with ways to work with me, MC Dermott as been up and down, but they have nothing in buffalo. So I think you have to consider that when you when you assess them. But you know, are they getting the most out of what they have is tough to say when they when they really don't have a lot to work with at all? I mean, maybe throw the ball to maybe give a total pass on buffalo because again, like I'm surprised even one two games at this point. But I feel like with Miami and Adam gays, they've been there long enough. They've had not the greatest of weapons, but they've lost games in fashions that you, you know, they've had game plans, Frank Gore's somehow still like leading carrier. They're kind of like head-scratching decisions up and down the roster and. Play calling that. And I know they haven't had great quarterbacks. I know that always hurts and can cover up things. But we've seen people with great quarterbacks that we could still like my Tomlin's not the best coach and he has a quarterback so we could still see the faults even if they had a quarterback, a great quarterback. And I still think that like Adam, gaze of the world has an false where maybe they should plan on moving on so that we can try and find the right guy hit on Todd McVeigh of the world. I think the reason I ball's been there the longest, but I also think the jets have been the most even though the two and three, I feel like they've been the most surprising of the buffalo. I am toss up because no one really expecting anything from buffalo. Buffalo also has the worst point differential in the entire NFL at negative fifty five. So outside of that Minnesota game and its top this say, okay, besides that one game, which was a huge win Minnesota. I mean, buffalo has been abysmal, and I guess all depends on Josh Allen. 'cause he's raw. He wasn't considered necessarily pro ready to step in day one. So he's already shown some really good signs, but it's tough. I, I guess I'm coming to to your side on gays just because I don't think he's done a terrible job, but he he's goes ten, sixes. First year, they flip that around goes six and ten the next year. And now they're three and two. This is a maker break year for Adam gays. I think he has to have finished with a winning record, but obviously an and I just want to backtrack. Obviously, when I said time, McVay have really meant Sean McVeigh. The Rams which you know when he comes in, it's almost like an granted. He has had much more talented teams. He's able to kind of flip that switch a lot better. The same way that Jim Harbaugh did when he took over from Mike single Terry, but it still feels like, you know, like the first couple of games when even Chicago laws like, okay, you know, they're not winning. Do they have pretty good Mantell. Yes, so they have the best talent, not necessarily. They have a young quarterback, but it looks like they're being a lot more creative and moving the right direction with my end. Do they do? They do. They have an identity, all these teams just like, what's what's their identity, you know what they really have to hang their hat. So if a team's underachieving and they're not winning games where they haven't identity like, I think this year Cleveland kind of has an identity, even though they're losing a lot of games they are. They're, they're very competitive. They are. Their offense is clearly improved in their defenses. Improved Myles Garrett having a great year. They're getting after the core back forcing turnovers. So that's a good example where you know, at least we're seeing something from them. But in, you know, to China McVeigh definitely not a Mahad seat. No, of course not. All right. So let's go ahead and move to Cleveland. Then you know what is Jackson's hot seat number. This is going to this is gonna be surpri. Well, I would say in general, I would say his is around for and I say that because. You're listening right? And you're like, not not for you, but just not realistically because they have Baker Mayfield and now they're winning game. So I think ownership is gonna say, okay, Hugh Jackson finally has quarterback. We, we basically tanked. We sucked for what two straight years. We finally got a core back and now he's winning games. You know, I, if Cleveland finishes in right now Cleveland's two and two in one, right? They have the tie if they, if they, you know, star going in the tank, the rest of the season, and they finished with four wins and they go foreign twelve. And then I think he's probably gone, but there are right around a five hundred team or they're seven and nine and Baker Mayfield is showing signs of being the franchise quarterback worthy of the number one draft pick. Then I think Hugh Jackson safe. Which crazy to me if no-one no-one should go one in. Thirty, whatever he went in those last two seasons. When one game over two years for my right. So here's what I always said, said I, this was I thought, you know, this is what should have been the plan or was the plan. I was saying, this is what Cleveland's doing this reason why they don't fire. So Mathur Owen sixteen record, which is just blasphemy that they didn't do it after the, you know, the one fifteen on top of it is that they couldn't hire a real coach anyways because at team was disastrous. So they would have to hire new coach, pay him all that guaranteed money. It wouldn't work out because he wouldn't be a real coach because it can attract anyone. Now they've got Baker, they spent some high draft capital seemingly in the right spot. They brought in some free agents Jarvis Landry. Now they have a fairly quite attractive team. This is when you boot the guy, I don't care if he goes nine and seven. It's still Hugh Jackson, we all saw the HBO hard knocks, he's, but now but now is going to be now. It's going to be tough for them to fire him if they have and let's not forget to. They waited to start tyrod Taylor. He didn't play in hidden. They didn't start Baker Mayfield until halfway through the third game against the jets. I mean, we're talking about Cleveland could very realistically be five. No. I mean, they tie Pittsburgh won that probably would have won that game with Baker Mayfield under center. They lose by three points to the saints. I'm gonna say they probably would have won that game. Tyrod Taylor is awful and they lose to the raiders because of terrible terrible call. So you know, we're probably looking at if you keep that raiders loss because those bad call, we're looking at foreign one. So I think the worst move that Hugh Jackson made or didn't make was not starting acre modules Jackson, that's exactly, but now they're, they're kind of in a pickle. Like I think is long as they show improvement. And I think this Cleveland team is a very good shot to win the division with Baker Mayfield. This where this is where bad ownership is going to step in again, because you call it a pickle which I mean, I could see where that perspective can come from, but from my perspective and I'm sure a lot of other fans out there, and I hope Cleveland fans, but no, go out there and get a real coach. They clearly can wing Hugh Jackson. So I think even do even more with the better coach. I don't know what great assistance. They're all right there. You agree. But as plenty of good assistance. I mean, there's anybody's better than than Hugh Jackson. Okay. Someone like many, let's finish up the north because it's taking a lot longer than we thought that will go ahead and move over to the to the waiver pickups here. Is Marvin Lewis still in the hot seat of ten? What is that scenario now? I mean, the guy agrees to step down, not get paid anymore, and then Cincinnati welcomes back now. They're foreign one. Talk about a tricky scenario there. Well, I mean Barbie for me to try and predict with on the hot seat because he's been here forever. He's been Cincinnati forever on ten is he still attenders the actually somehow earning himself off. I just gonna soom. He's not until until he gets fired, right? I mean for me, if he doesn't make, if they missed the playoffs, he has to be fired would have to think he's fired. If they lose in the first round, he's fired. They have to win a playoff game. The has to be the minimum standard, right? They have to win a playoff game, but if they make the playoffs, you know or they or they missed the playoffs. But they end up being, you know, ten in six, nine, seven with a winning record? I wouldn't shock me. In fact, I would expect that he will be back. Okay. I think we can all agree that might Thomas probably safe even though that even if we don't agree with that statement, Pittsburgh's loyalty is too strong for that. You're in agreement, right? Yep. And Baltimore, which are bar. What do you think there? I think overall, the loyalties there, but I think he's getting on thin ice. Yeah. I think a lot of that, you know equity that he's built some bit has eroded a little bit, but I still think three and two as long as they're competitive. I think that he keeps his job. I think it would take, you know, maybe a six and ten seventy nine season missing the playoffs for them to even consider moving in different directions for him to leave. But I think he's probably safe very similar with Mike Tomlin. I mean, I I don't really know who you know regardless of what should happen if I was to pick one who I think is a better coach for that situation. I don't really know who I think is better. I lean towards John Harbaugh, but I think they're pretty much the same thing. It would agree and probably easily lean towards a, not maybe for the right reason. But nothing I'm right or I think that's the best choice. But I think easily I would lean towards. There are, let's wrap this up with a since we didn't cover New England, which is obviously no brainer, but give me a one through ten that you know, Tom Brady retires at the end of the season zero. All right set. Now we're just gonna kinda jump right into this and go into the waiver wires segment of the episode before we do that. Let's go ahead and thank our sponsor my bookie. That's right. Ever since we started the podcast, people always ask us, you know, four betting advice, where should they start placing their bets who has the best website out there. And that is my bookie. They've been in business for years. They've got great reviews online. Their mobile site is easy to use. You lay some cash down and win. 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As anyone out there south for us, pick up there are there are there are. So let's start with running backs and it just it is just not a very sexy crew this week. It hasn't been very sexy past few weeks. It has not. Let's start with with Seattle, the running backs. I mean, poor all those poor fantasy owners that that drafted Rashard penny are really just he's on the waiver wires. We're not talking about him. I was one of the ones that had him, but Chris Carson owned eighty percent, but there might be some people that dropped him. Obviously, you're picking him up. If he's there, you can get him. But Mike Davis, actually, I probably put him ahead of Chris Carson only owned in fourteen percent of leagues and he's coming off to really good weeks, three touchdowns in the past two weeks for Seattle, pretty maddening situation for for running backs. But when running when this running back Ville waivers, that's coming off back to back games in which there they had a touchdown and fifteen or more fantasy points, you have to scoop them up. So so Mike Davis is on this list for me. He's owned in a couple of weeks that we're in, but he's only owned overall, fourteen percent leagues probably available to go scoop them up. Any any thoughts, quick, quick thoughts on Mike Dave's or that whole situation in Seattle? Yeah, I would have to have someone like a Jalen Rashard on trying to think of someone else to pick up my Davis. Here's a question for you now with that Braida being potentially hurt here or doubtful for next week. Correct. Do you drop Alfred Morris for Mike Davis? Because personally, I not. Not with Matt Braida out in knowing that they got the whole Chris Carson, Mike Davis. They run a little bit better, but it was what your thoughts on that. No, I'm holding onto Alfred Morris for at least one week to see what it looks like without Mabry too. Ambika, like you said, was Seattle. Mike Davis is not even like he's a change of pace guy. He is someone that's going to pound the rock just like Chris Carson is supposed to do. So yeah, I'm staying away. I'm I'm not going to be dropping. It's gonna take a lot for me to to have to find someone that I really wanna get rid of to pick up Mike Davis. Even though I think if you can roster him, he's worth a pickup is just I'm not wasting fab budget on them. I'm not dropping somebody that you really have to depend on home, dropping the fat budgets gotta be guys. It's got to be absolute in the one to two percent range seizures throw up to five percent. If you can look, if I have an open spot, maybe you have somebody you can put on your spot or or whatever. If you can pick somebody up a roster spot to play with, go up to five percent if you need a running back or if you have Chris Carson, for example, arguing team. Okay. Fair enough. Number two, I got Wendell Smallwood and talk. Going from one maddening running back situation to another. JJ out for the year. Right? So Philadelphia, assuming there's been talk about maybe Levy on bell or Leshan McCoy. So trades trades aside if they have to stick with the group as currently constituted. I when let's mall in Corey, Clement have to be the two you look at right now. Clement only twenty eight percent of leagues. A lot of people have picked him up and probably dropped him. Because he hasn't done anything zero point each last two weeks. And when the small wood. Coming off another really good game to really good games out of the last three eighteen fantasy points. Three catches forty four yards and touchdown. You know, we know that these running backs every game. Somebody's gonna have a good game. We just don't always know who it's going to be so with no j. j. moving forward, I think Wendell Smallwood if I had to kind of look into my crystal ball and predict future, I'd want Wendell Smallwood. He's only own in seven percent of leagues out grab him and I put him above Mike Davis in terms of, you know, my priority. I would agree with that above my Davis. I would tread carefully here. I think anyone who's been listened to podcast knows have been burned by this backfield few times light Smallwood last year I put the trade target curse on him. He got hurt light, Corey climent mean you both like him going into the season looks pretty good week, one than kind of took a back seat. To whoever they want. Corey hasn't touched a ball in two weeks. So I think you have to go with malware just for on that nature. But what is the prize? Any of us if some guy named Josh Adams who's apparently listed as their fourth running back starts getting touches because it wouldn't surprise me. It wins apprise me, but I'm still I had to pick one. I'm still going small would. I mean, Josh Adams did get six carries for thirty yards. I guess this was the week before last when they played Indianapolis so long that was so he's clearly somewhere in the rotation and obviously moving up with Darren sproles being energy jibe being injured. I don't. I don't know that they picked up anyone else on the roster, but I would literally be looking at their depth chart which doing now and I, I'm sure it can be maddening though regarding when we're not spending more time talking about anything here running backs beside from aside from Clement and small would even though the other running backs, vulture touchdown or get touches it just, you know, it hurts my brain to think beyond Smallwood and Clement is just, we don't want to hurt your brain anymore. So let's keep on. All right, tight end actually really liked Cam break. He's only own in sixteen percent of leagues and OJ Howard for the next. Two to four weeks. So he's in a heavy brace has the MC l. sprain. So he's out. Cameron break has posted back to back. Games. Touchdowns three catches thirty four yards. Three catches twenty nine yards w fantasy points each of the past two weeks and he's facing Atlanta, which just bleeds points, no matter who they play and he has by coming off a bye weeks. You're able to get a touchdown who has a really good report Jameson Winston dating back to last year, coming off back to back games touchdown. Great matchup in Artie has the by week out of the way. So Siamese upper Cam break, probably if I'm in a bad situation with regards to my tight end spot. Cambric is my number one pick up this week. Cam break is a must pick, especially if you don't have one of the top tight ends. I think you hit hit the nail on the head there spot on, go after them. Quick side note. I'm just kind of looking at projections here in ESPN. Sometimes he kind of pick up a player or two. You should be keeping an eye on and how bad or some of these projections. I mean, they have Derrick Henry who's playing Baltimore, like one of the best rush defense is second best against runners projected at over nine points and the guy hasn't passed five points all year. That's bad, very bad, but I'm all about making America great again. So Cameron braid is my number one up rate tight end, which we know it. We need to tide and pick up a solid tight end of pickup. So maybe this is one of those you kind of overspend a little bit, right? Just to make sure you kind of locked down the position. Exactly. I mean, if you have a tight end, let's say, I mean, if you have your tight on by week, we'll see a tight end who's on by or you are starting like a Jack diamond. I don't even know if you're starting terrible, tight end. Then? Yes, I like him break because it is is a, he's double digit fantasy point, tight end weaken and week out without Jay Howard, and he's has a great match up. So there's not much to to not like with Cam break for wide receivers. Now, like first of all, there's a couple of receivers that we're not gonna go crazy about. I'm going to avoid like David Moore in Seattle, in my opinion, kind of a flukey game. Two touchdowns three catches any receiver who comes out of nowhere with two touchdowns when he only had three, three total catches on the day. I'm staying away. So David Moore, I'm staying away from trae conce myth. I'm completely staying away from only three catcher. Only three catches on the day to them happen to be for bombs with absolutely completely blown coverages. So I'm staying away from trae Kwan Smith as well. Plus Ted Ginn didn't play that had a little bit to do with that and they're on by so that gives Ted Ginn time to get. Healthy and comeback. With both of those. If you are a trae Kwan Smith dynasty, you know, keep her holder there. You like him, at least getting involved in the offense, knowing that his time will come. But as as probably the spot that you should be considering him in, is those dicey long-term leagues. Yeah. I mean the only two receivers that I liked this week. I mean, let's start with one receiver. I like and then two that I kinda like if again, if you have a free spot to play with, you know, go have a ball. First one is Marcus Valdis gambling for Green Bay. You know, kind of trendy pick or pop pick daily with drama Allison and rental missing Sunday's game against the lions, but seven catches sixty yards and punch down. You know, like is always the case with Green Bay receivers. It's worth owning as many as possible because they're always injured like rental cod MRs time it seems like every single year drama Alison was in the concussion protocol. So I think scanning is worth a pickup because he's proven that he can. He can have a big game like you down Sunday. And if either devante if they're Alson Cobb or even Fonte Adams MRs time, he becomes somebody you can plug in your lineup. He's owned under one percent or three percent of ESPN leagues he's available in just about every league. He's somebody that I do like based on what I saw on Sunday, and I would pick him up, especially if you have one of those Green Bay receivers, like an albertsons or a cop, you know, kind of fits are combo wide receiver strategy, except I guess he's more of a handcuff in the sense. Yeah, he's, he's, I think worth keeping an eye on worth probably picking up, you know, if someone's not perform, we. Week out for you. Go ahead, dump them move on. Here's a injury potential play for you as well. I don't love it, but if you're streaming, you know if you're been getting upset by Kenny stills the last couple of weeks, if your net kind of scenario, I wouldn't drop anyone big but keep an eye on the Rams receivers. Hopefully they come back from concussion. Brandin cooks, Inc, Cooper Cup. But if they don't, you know, you might wanna take a look at someone like Josh Reynolds, who's going to get thrown into the mix in terms of increase, snap percentage. And then most certainly get some targets. Yeah. I mean, yeah, we are in the with all the by weeks coming up. I mean, you're going to have to be when you look on waiver wires. Now with by weeks, you're looking at matchups looking at, you know, dwell like the player not, but okay. I don't mind crazy about the player, but his mash up is incredible. I'm gonna grab him. One player that I like and he's in fifty percent leagues, but I feel like he's, you know, he's available in half the league's out there and good chances Ville when you're league as well. Peer Garson back to back. We talked about our Ben strategy in, you know, having those players that have a very solid consistent floor back to back games with with nine or more fantasy points for peer garso's home. MRs again without a touchdown doesn't catch touchdowns so somebody PR leagues they can get you closer double digits. When you know the touchdown becomes bonus. I like it. He's got Green Bay the Los Angeles Rams Oakland, Arizona. In the next four game CJ Beathard has been airing the ball out the past couple of games in relief at Jimmy g. so if peer Garzon is available, he is a guy that you can plug right into your lineup. If you have a receiver like a golden, tater Marvin Jones or golladay this week that are on by, that's not going to kill you because he's gonna. He's gonna give you seven to ten points. I mean, I don't love it. But if you're the type of team that is more rock-solid than anything else and you don't necessarily need a ton of upside, your team is good. Well rounded up someone on by, okay, I would probably use that roster spot for someone's got a little bit more upside if I can just knowing because that's going to be probably, here's, here's a good thing though. Here's about bureau is he plays on Monday night. So depending on the way that you're Lee set up the settings, if you can pick players right up until when the game starts, you can have peer GRA own, maybe a player with more upside. And if in kind of figure out how you're feeling, how your matchup is going, if you need the upside, start the other player. But if you've got a decent lead and you just need a receiver this not going to be a complete bust, plug peer Garson in, you know, you're gonna get, you know, seven ten points. That's true. That's that's good strategy. There. It was at the last person you had. Yeah, I I had. I'm well. There's going to mention the when you talk about him real quick. Specifically, if Lamar Miller is not gonna play. Yep. Alpha blue in a regardless of whether or not in Lamar Miller was what technically active right in the. We, we all can knew going in that he wasn't gonna play. I don't know if they had too many people that they couldn't put inactive or what or vicious an emergency thing. But yeah, he was he was technically active with the issue. So bottom line offer blue looked a lot better than Lamar Miller, and I don't know. I mean, I would I put him in the Mike Davis category just just because if the mar- Miller is active and healthy and ready to go, it's going to be with alpha blue. You need the volume. If you're not getting the volume from alpha blue, you can never start him because he's not. He had eight catches for seventy three yards this past week, but he was really the only show in town and I don't think you can expect that very often from alpha blue. So I put him in the same category as my Davis. Maybe a little bit above my Davis just because at least if Lamar Miller can't go, he is going to be the guy. Whereas with Mike Davis, even of Chris Carson can't go. They still have sharp penny. They still, you know, give carries to a bunch of backs. I like alpha blue little more. Yeah. And I am reading because of not looking at Lamar Miller news every day, but it is saying that he Bill Bryant expects him to play week six, but we know how these things are, so keep an eye on it. But to your point when not not willing to really roster and start mo- certainly start over blue if the mar- Mila looks like he's going to play. Yep. All right, everyone that's going to wrap up our episode for the waiver wire for week. Six pickups best of luck. Everyone in your fantasy leagues and we are the NFL talking heads. Thanks for listening to this episode of the NFL talking heads, fantasy football podcast show. Try saying that three times with your hosts, Jeff carrier, and Seth while weld catch you next time.

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BGN Radio #75: Hugs Are Bad, Handshakes Are Good

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BGN Radio #75: Hugs Are Bad, Handshakes Are Good

"Hi this is jim from the step over the radio ballers podcast talking seventy sixers tune in this off season. Season is my co host. Maximize talk next steps and solar recovered from sixers raptors game seven over a span of many many months were listened back to old episodes and make fun of how wrong we were it to be confident only on the nation podcast network. You're listening to be two in radio. Why would you listen to any other eagles with john. Stolnis homeless and randomly welcome into b._g._n. Radio this episode seventy five brought to by the fine folks s._p. Nation shen and bleeding green nation on filling john stolnis. I am today. Michael kissed here joined with me as always talk about all these training camp. Practices is the man with the boots on the ground the supreme leader of leading nation he is brandon league out and follow him on twitter at brandon gout and build g how you doing brother mike glad to be back with you here you no it's been two preseason games. It's been seventeen eighteen something training camp practices but today might it finally turned up a little bit a gallon more interesting than it usually does camp camp at this point because like you segel's practice each other for a billion times by now. The ravens came to town on monday and it's exciting yet. There's a lot of new faces assists. I feel like our old faces. You recognize that you see kinda. Come out to these things like tri-colours at practice today to join narrows their quake. <hes> larry came out to the field like a bunch. There's a presence obviously extra presence with all the guys in town. <hes> the ravens so that's cool to see you get some more national media there. She'll patio friend of the podcast mr national n._f._l. Guy now <hes> he was there so it's fun yeah and those reps today like they might be the closest that the first teen gets to real action throughout this process before the season in starts in its against some unique challenges. The ravens defense with these joint practices. Today is one of the best in the league bearing third and football outsiders devi away last year so it's a good challenge and also on the offensive the side of the ball for the ravens lamar jackson you know he's entering his second year in an offense that will be more catered to his strengths which includes his dynamic movement ability so they're in pads not tackling to the ground today but like the first of two practices between the two and only there's pretty open for you like what what was the feel compared to like a ten ten ten practice as <unk> as opposed to what we saw today so ten ten ten practice which is what the eagles had on sunday originally they weren't even scheduled to have a practice open to the media but the eagles let us watch that that didn't really make sense to cut the day off and then have monday and tuesday open so practice is boring because it's usually their shorter just a little bit over an hour. The the ten ten ten part is like ten plays are for the offense like kind of script defense giving them certain books that they wanna see not necessarily things that defense would actually run unlike a real game where things like gym shorts actually really wants to do just kinda more about like giving a look <hes> and then it looks around for the defense the offense doing some stuff they might not usually we do and then ten minutes special teams is that final ten so that kind of practice is boring and it's also kinda hard when you do training camp notes like i do because you don't always know what is forced or not like carson kind of like force throw on sunday that like it wasn't there at all but he made that throw anyway. I kind of wonder okay. Maybe see that's just what he's supposed to do. In that situation there are some things you can see still in case in point carson was making some real nice touch throws to some of his receivers around the field so that's good to see excellent defensive supposed to give those up. He's still making a good throw. You can tell that that kind of practice environment still is just not super exciting contrast that to the ravens coming ryan to town and all of a sudden now you know like you have the first team. Offense eagles offense going up against the first team. Ravens defense in the ravens are making it challenging for the surly on <hes> and same thing on the other field really with us defense kind of giving the ravens often some trouble. Maybe that was also part of the offenses on both sides not looking like sharp and like like functioning at the highest level in the defense just being ahead of them made that look even worse for offenses to start out <hes> but yeah there's so many things to watch and then in addition to that too especially in some of the seven on seven work and you also have the you know the offensive line and defensive line drills going on which i can honestly. I couldn't even get over there because i can't like. There's three different fields that i can't see. I don't really tall mike. I can't see everything always all at once so <hes> a good action though yeah we'll get into more of those notes about the training camp there but i do want to lead off the individual analysis as we usually do with the quarterbacks and bill you recently recorded the josh mccown emergency podcast heavily requested did by the gentle listeners here at b._g._n. The that dropped on saturday after the news broke so gentlemen. If you haven't heard that yet go back and give some attention from your ear balls to that show <hes> some notes on mccown i went back and looked at a couple of games of his from two thousand thirteen and he and alcyone jeffrey when they were with the bears together they just had a connection man he really trusted alshon to go up and use his wingspan his catch radius and go up and get it and also did not let him down. One game. I watched was against the vikings. Things were out sean had twelve catches for two hundred and forty nine yards and two touchdowns then followed it up against the cowboys where you went up against current eagle orlando scandic hendrick five catches for eighty four yards and a touchdown in that one in a forty five to twenty eight win where mccown threw for four touchdowns and three hundred forty eight yards so that was an incredibly fun watch coach and look to count the one veteran name that i did mention when i talked about bringing in another quarterback after seinfeld went down. Apparently the eagles had interest in him before that too and i think he's going to be a fantastic locker room. Guy can really help once as an eighteen year vet all of his old teammates and i mean all of them literally every single one of them just absolutely loved the guy so so as much as we joke and are hyperbolic approach to the news here and looked at forty years. Old mccown might not have left in the tank. I think all of us recognize this but i put put this up on twitter today and i thought it was interesting so curious to look at this. The last time account had significant playing time was two thousand seventeen. He started thirteen games. I compared the box score stats and some p._f. Analytics between him and dak prescott from two thousand seventeen and beauty. Let me tell you if i took the names out and you didn't know the stats that's offhand you would be really hard pressed to figure out which quarterback was which and this goes into my argument that for all the bokor stat tweets that shit a favorable light on tack doc propped up by one year back in two thousand sixteen three seasons go and anytime i mentioned that cowboys you know the the cowboys fans will groan about context injuries and suspensions and all that but honestly try to make that same supporting cast argument with the two thousand seventeen jets because that doesn't hold much water am i is that that was a whole side tangent bill g. any follow up from you on your thoughts is on mccown and how'd he look today as new eagle first of all mike. I'm going to need you to tweet that out. You decide those stats. You need to you need to do that. The thing people do on twitter where they're like play these stats and then player b these stats. I i did build g. It's on my timeline right now. I've got the comparisons up there so you need to check that out because i didn't even know it was going to be like that. I came into this completely blind and i was like whoa if you didn't know there would be no way for you to know that it's crazy while i love loved so you're you're yet raised. My hands out works here. You just say things that i like and just working for you. Don't actually eateries. That's anyway u._s. Art <hes> with mccown you know i said a lot in pretty much what i had to say in the podcast for the most part <hes> i will emphasize again like the fumbles thing concerns me a little bit he has. It's like eighty eight hundred ninety nine year. Games are like eighty one. It's a lot yeah and he had a bunch of need eleven and as recently as two thousand seventeen in that season he did start so that's kind of an issue <hes> we we know carson has the same issues. That's not amazing but he's a backup you get it. I really did like going back looking at his jets highlights. I think think more so to from two thousand seventeen and i just like the weight there was the ball. There's something about it like you dislike especially when he was chuckling at deep and i was talking to <hes> <hes> michael noneya from gangrene nation our estimation jet site and he was saying that was a real strength of his that year like just chucking deep laying <unk> league no fear. You're throwing it down. The field <unk> dislike alright single high boom just checking it down the field so <hes> i like to see that he hasn't really taken a ton of reps and practice so far obviously on me sign on saturday. Sunday was his first practice in those shortened practice the only relate to some reps in seven on seven. I believe you got a little bit. More mixed in today ain't needed some eleven on eleven work. This is a guy who is just coming in still he's learning some obviously is n._f._l. Experience so it's a shorter learning curve for him than others but you know he's still needs to kinda get some reps in here and really oh pearson didn't even like fully commit him playing on thursday night in the preseason game. I think i would guess we will see him but he's still learning is my point yeah. I could see them setting up a script for him. You know one or two drives. This is what you need to know right now but this is a conversation that we were having win. The eagles burr may be needing to bring in a quarterback. We were saying who is going to come in here and learn this offense so quickly that they can be an effective backup for the time period in which we might need them which is early on in the season. An account gives you that as an eighteen year. Vet mccown could be probably if kellen moore is an offensive coordinator. I really think mccown could be offensive coordinator so i have no issues with him being able to pick that up. He's gonna need the mental reps first and then followed up with some game time but he i don't think the knowledge of the system will be a problem ultimately for him so maybe he does get some playing time on thursday. We'll see mobile. Gee you know i gotta follow up with wentz here. Held the franchise quarterback perform over the past couple of days and especially against the vaunted ravens defense and joint <unk> practices today definitely look good on sunday. I really liked specifically like these touch throws he was making. You're not something we've seen carson struggle with not like he can't make them at all but just as being inconsistent with that and on sunday he had a nice touch pass to josh atoms made an over the shoulder catch on the sideline he'd another one deep tha collins who dropped it unfortunately that he had another one throat to lower and also wanted to sean who also dropped it which is a very rare sight to see this on java pass but still like carson look good on sunday and then today. He got off to a great start. You know working in the red zone. He was going for us on a lot and it just wasn't clicking <hes> some of those. I feel like all sean could have done a better. Your job like these were contested catches in to his credit marlon humphrey on the ravens. You know former former first round pick. I pick yeah he's. He's a very good corner very underrated outside of baltimore. I think yeah so. He was making some place like credit to him too. He's a good player but carson did have some highlights as the practice started to go along. Throw the day the play of the day. I think think for really both teams and i was watching everything such as i could and i don't think i'm just being biased. Here was carson hitting sean jeffrey deep which is nice to see. That's something something again that they haven't always been clicking on and earl thomas during a name you might recognize eagles fans <hes> i don't know how but for some reason that guy who whose name rings a bell the eagles are carson completed a deep pass jeffrey with thomas kinda getting beat so that was really nice to see carson to was looking a little a bit better than the red zone drills by the end practice where he connected with the aforementioned mac holland's hula better today actually made a couple contested catches also broke out the floss a little bit for the fans that you wanted to celebrate a little bit so nice to see mac feeling himself there and looking healthy again and being back in the swing of things so overall. If i the grade the practice kinda give you some perspective. I would say in especially the past two days i would say we're at like a b plus more good than bad again but some things you still wanna see cleaned end up like he did overthrow. I think both sean sean on deep routes a different point and another thing like where used the timing get. There and accuracy pure see be there. <hes> i think one thing that carson look doing well on sunday with those touch fast as i talked about was like floating up there to wear his receivers i can run under them and make them way as opposed to you know like trying to force it like this force. Force it down the field so that's something i still think like can be afforded to be cleaned up going into the season. I i like that and i like that. Mac is breaking out the flaws. That's the moment that's the moment when we know he's back when he hits the floor so it's good to have mac back and you know let's talk about some of the other playmakers maybe under the umbrella of clayton thorson who apparently had a had a better is starting to look like he might eventually one day many an n._f._l. Quarterback like peyton manning yeah yeah. Clayton's looked a lot better man. You know we were really hard on him. Not only does everyone else but seriously though like you know he so. It's it's bizarre to me because you know he has that bad preseason game. He didn't even look that great going into the second preseason game. Honestly barely practiced barely got any practice reps which is interesting because then he took pretty much. Almost the entirety of the second preseason game reps in any each hamas back on sunday in the practice any makes his best throw. I've seen all training camper all offseason even going back to the spring practices where he just hits <hes> the andre tompkins in stride on a deep deep bombed down the sideline and thorson struggled a lot with like those wobbly passes unsown is deep attempts on even not deep attempts just like really throwing a ball at does not look pretty at all. This is a perfect chris spiral. Oh my gosh like who is this like. Who is this guy that was nice and today in the red zone. I thought he really excelled. He had two to rose back to back. Plays was fade route to your boy mike j._j. Arteaga whiteside mennonites catch but also the throw. Is this like perfectly. Put it right up j._j. Can kind of make that jump ball cats in the defender really can't and yet another one marketing michelle where michelle was just diving a bounce. I'm pretty sure it gets feed in so that looks. It's like a good throw to you know only what to wear michelle could get. It couldn't have been picked off or anything so see that from clayton thorson for him to make that progress. It seems like he's kind of building on takes tacking these practices now after that encouraging second preseason game which is funny to me might make the team right i. I don't think deals are keeping four quarterbacks so it's kind of a it's nice to see him. Look good. That's ideal but also like you know. You don't want him to look too good because you don't wanna get coached so weird situation yet but i do think it's good that he's looking better story more catchable balls because this is something that me and so like were talking about like j._j. Is really good in the air and he's not getting the opportunities to like show off that skill set when guys are just like straight up missing him so at least we'll be able to evaluate the wide receivers a little bit better in some of these preseason games if he's a little more accurate with this ball so that's one plus that you can take out of it. I don't think he gets stolen off the practice squad or anything like that so i think the eagles will be safe. Platinum there at this point with mccown and the building sud fields going to recover cover kesslers there. What's the difference between kessler thorson. I don't know but it is something to track. As we move throughout the process didn't get himself knocked out of the game but not throwing the ball. That's right that blitz pickup those entirely on. I'm not saying that jokingly either. I think we've talked about that here on the on the show here a lotta people blame that on dillard but players former n._f._l. Players current players and doug have all said that that was not andre villas wall depict up the right guide kesslers hot get annoyed. He had to get out he did not and he got cracked for it. It might cost him a roster spot when you think about it but let let's switch which side over to the defense side for the eagles ravens offense had some struggles in the red zone three straight red zone trips where they were denied by the eagles defense. If there's one thing that this schwartz defense does it is clamped down inside the twenty. Last year playoffs included they were number one in the league for touchdown frequency for offenses they were facing which is shocking talking considering the injuries on that unit that they dealt with throughout the year who was out there making plays for the defense today <hes> so the defensive line. I think deserves a lot of credit here. Every time i feel like i would look over on ravens. Rushing attempts like that was going nowhere. I was getting like stuffed and that's significant. The ravens like to run the ball. They pride themselves on that so oh that was nice to see the defensive line being stout there in the red zone. I did see result. Give up a touchdown on a slant to <hes>. I think really need i did see sidney jones. Who i feel like hasn't it's been as great as he was early. On training camp like the past two preseason games an even in practice recently he disliked hasn't been as lies didn't necessarily terrible all all. You need to have a bad practice last week. I know it's hard to believe mike. He was better today so that was nice to see bounce tacky he had to pass up was in the red zone so that was good to see <hes> really as a whole <hes>. I just think that defense like look pretty solid they did have one busted coverage on that. I saw where humans receiver running down free in the mar- mar <hes> just hit him with the starter students. That wasn't great. There was another play where mart has made a really nice. Throw really threaded into the defense so <hes> buying some mark jackson stock. I i would say not the craziest idea. He looked good today. He had some good moments <hes> where it wasn't just like the defense looking bad for the eagles. It was just like him. Making some nice police please <hes> not only as a passer is athleticism as well over although i still think the eagles defense and where the ravens defense like the defense today as a whole many they probably won the day they like they had more good reps than offenses. Did we'll see if that's the same case tomorrow. Maybe offense start to figure things out a little bit after seeing these guys and i want to recalibrate some of your thoughts on some of the positional national ballot battles for the eagles defense and get some injury updates for you as well. I'm sure we have a ton of those to get to get to those next year b._g._n. Radio right after the break. We'll be right back. This episode is brought to you by c._b._s. Sports h._q. So much of sports t._v. nowadays full of made up trauma. It's a bunch of hot takes from people who only believe what they're saying just beating the same topics into the ground but c._b._s. Sports h._q.'s hit change all that it's a network that streams live twenty four seven in their coverage. She's just focused on the game. They bring you the latest news highlights previews and reactions to all the onfield action fantasy sports experts will give you the info you need to make the right calls for your lineup. 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It's on the the injury assefa. Let's brain brooks ronald darby. You've already mentioned that collins. Maybe some derek barnett nigel brat him. Richard rogers had an issue today. Just give me the full rundown on down like your doug at the podium and also note that there seemed to be a lack of what our end or proper hydration today. Maybe some heat exhaustion what what happened today with the injuries the take a break for like thirty minutes. Mike as i read all these meticulous injury notes that i have yet <unk> decent size list. I'll start off with brandon brooks was supposed to tensely tensely be reintegrated to team drills. This week is he got checked out and wasn't fully cleared for that just yet calm so so he's not doing that just yet but i think he is starting to to do more on a one on one and individual work so he is ramping up a little bit here and i think this week here on a. b. key for him in terms of at some point. He's going to get evaluated it again and it's going to be determined if he can rejoin those team drills so maybe we'll be seeing that either like soon or maybe next week. I don't know hopefully he's back sooner than and later brandon brooks still thinks he's gonna be ready for week. One crazy the more while the more it takes him to get back into the team drills though the less optimistic that's looking. I saw it'll be you. I don't like early could be week two or week three but we'll see how that one goes. <hes> ronald darby is the other significant one i would say with him really returning to eleven on eleven for the first time on on sunday and he was out there again doing some eleven on eleven not like fulltime yeah. I don't think he's out there for every single defensive first team eleven on eleven but he is mixing in there. He is getting getting reps there so that's probably looking good for him playing week one as far as who's been opposite of him. It seems like they're splitting with russell and sidney on the outside so it doesn't seem like it landed on a starter there. Maybe that's something we see even regular season them out like we've talked about before mike with rotating guys madison the slot so he's there <hes> josh sweat a knee issue which is not great <hes>. He must practice on sunday. He was back today which is good but anytime you know you see da sweat with anything it's like that's a little dicey because we know he has those knee issues in the past. Hopefully it's just like a blip on the radar and it's not anything too bad neither batum in seven on seven for the first time this off season on sunday so that's good to seize kinda work in his way back in there. I'm guessing he'll be ready for week one. We'll see how that goes as well richard. Riders riders is the big one from today in terms of he had to be carted off the field after previously missing a couple of weeks with a foot injury. That's not looking good for him. I would say mike that's not what a great development for him. It seemed like he was pretty frustrated to an. I was all that to make minutes said like doug gave him a hug getting carded so that doesn't seem the best sign hugs are are bad in that situation how bad while they're good but you know they're bad bad signs a good thing. It's a bad sign yeah. It's weird too because like rogers had never been hurt prior prior to last year in terms of like he'd never missed. A game seems like he joins the eagles and all the sudden. He's this injury prone guy so that's him that could be really good news for josh perkins tensely remaking the roster <unk> returned to practice. That's good for him. Nice high should know that cody kessler was practicing again today the p._r. Team said that he's not fully officially cleared through the <unk> this yet lake so he can do certain things but he can't contact things right now. I think we're the stays yes yes so if there was a game today he couldn't play so i guess he might be cleared by thursday but we'll see <hes> nate seinfeld apparently had his cast off today. You got out of his heart cast so that's a nice progress for him as she tries to come back and probably the third quarterback with dust mccown being the number two that's just about it is gonna have injury. I have i have a follow up question for you and some news with the eagles as well. We'll just do some regular house cleaning and then i wanna projection from someone to see the fifty three man projection for linebacker according to one of the top five great players for the eagles in preseason has been cfl stud alex singleton ranking second only behind day sean hall who has had a massively productive preseason so you gotta. I think it's brattle brown camus fort in that fits spot is the one up for grabs both me and ben think the nate gary experiment it should be over keyword should be over the eagles also released veteran linebacker paul warrilow recently which creates an opportunity for both singleton and undrafted free agent t._j. Edwards from wisconsin as a side note. The eagles also signed linebacker chris wurley. He went undrafted in two thousand eighteen despite getting significant playing time at all three linebacker spots at highway state for the bengals he played in two games with only two combined tackles. He was cut in late july that he was picked up by the seahawks briefly subsequently cut a few days later from my understanding. He's a super high character guy that lacks the athleticism to crack a rotation or even a a roster spot outside of like a special teams player so he's almost assuredly assuredly just a camp body bill five the right number to keep on the fifty three for linebackers and if so who is the fifth linebacker if you had to call it right now i will leave you in suspense mike because i finished up one more injury thing on to say that under dillard notably left practice early today seem to be to me my i am now a no medical expert here urban seem like he is austin. Just didn't seem like he was feeling great same thing with nate erg who was really gassed in that preseason game of kind of highlighting that on the broadcast <hes> so just another another small thing and also charles johnson day with nickel <hes> but to answer your question eagles thing to happen during the show right tech it really is i think i think it's pretty he cut and dry in terms of the five they're gonna keep. It's going to be nigel brad him. If he was healthy. No kamuyu j. he'll be starting but and i don't think he's going to go an i._r._a. So on the fifty three but obviously he might not be back to like. I don't know week four or whatever active forty six i for a game day for for at least a comfort a couple of weeks so those are the two starters when they're healthy eljay a for a while i would put zac brown above eljay for backgrounds making this team. I think pretty sure <unk>. It's gonna make steam seems like a pretty obvious candidate. Just in terms of us some experience. They can count on special teams yeah. I think you're fifth guy while depending how you wanna order <unk> jerry is gonna make team wants to the grin of many yeah. I just think the coaching staff they really talk him up and he's also gotten like a ton of first team reps so just kinda surprising if you got like cast aside all the sudden. I don't think think gary should be kept around. I'm not a gary ban by any means but just in terms of looking at what's realistic. I think he will be on the roster then when you're talking about like a t._j. Edwards or a singleton. I think either of those guys i think at least one of those guys will be on the practice squad. I don't think you really have to worry about them clearing waivers. I don't think teams are like desperately. I'm trying to get those guys be wrong by. I think we tend to always think like almonds catholic in good definitely in the lane and unlike usually doesn't happen the worst thing that about like braxton miller last year when he got added to the practice squad n._b._c.'s court sophea or like an article about like oh man like you know some teams in assign him soon and then rex miller just kept putting one just become you get into a like a local philadelphia training camp bubble right and it's hard for you to see what's going on around the league and i see well who would pick them up and why and that's the big question and look like these guys are getting claimed like they have to be on the fifty three so someone else's fifty so you're putting that guy i like and he might need to play tensely if you're putting him in the fifty three and he doesn't know the playbook so like it's just at that usually doesn't happen might happen. Sometimes definitely does happen sometimes times. He looks like a danny amendola a greek salad or whoever set failed earnings fell whatever but like a lot of times it just doesn't so i would worry about not too much. I think those are your five linebackers. That's that you guys are gonna rope. Let me ask the same question about running backs and you can kind of add any notes from the practices about them in here. If you want to buy you gotta think think that if the eagles go for running backs and i think that's the number i think they will that fourth will have to add special teams value and i'm not talking about just as a returner but on the other units as well the punt the coverage units and all that stuff and the most proven out of the rest on special teams has got to be quiet in fact. I thought he was one of the best special teams on the squad in two thousand seventeen and still played well in that area in two thousand eighteen despite his struggles and compared to a guy like window smallwood who is awful in that regard and not special the other wise. That's a huge edge for clemente in my opinion. What about you acor is getting league. First team reps he was today <hes> he wasn't the red zone on sunday the guy in also this is a very important thing everyone might yourself include like make sure you really listen to what i'm about to say all right so during sunday's prac- we laugh mike. It's not it's this super serious. <unk> pretty say attorney. Cab is a super serious defect into this bit rate here and that's just the emphasis that you don't have. I'm gonna i'm gonna do the rick and morty from the indicators episode. Associate corey was doing like this choreographed handshake with doug peterson during practice on sunday today. I mean i'm just saying. I don't think they're working on that. If like corey's dislike easily gonna get cut i don't. I don't think that's again. I've said like a billion times. I know for a fact that eagles those were hi. I'm corey heading into two thousand eighteen so just be weird to me like all of a sudden. He's going to get replaced. I know he hasn't been playing and maybe some of that feels like knowing. He's going to make the team team anyway. There's going to be extra cautious with him but i think we might see him. Play this week like he's really seems like he's kind of ramping up this workload in practice. It'd be great to see him out there for a little bit and see what he can do you. He looks healthy. He looks fast. I've said like multiple times before. He looks faster than i remember somebody. That's something kinda. He's been working on lost a little bit of waiter or whatever he just looks. It's a little bit more faster than i remembered him. Being so <hes> yeah i think corey is going to be on the team as fourth running back and you need to keep for running backs again because kazakhstan's rolls thirty six years old nine games in the past two years like you can't just go three and he's one of your three and also mile sanders is like a rookie. What if he just has rookie struggles <unk> dislike with all this pressure on them. The the thing that concerns me is i'm looking here. The screen shot. I talk of like this question. Answer session on reddit eagles from dave sparrow bureau who i know a lot of people are like oh days. There says everything positive he doesn't know anything. That's not true like dave knows things in sometimes he like jumps hints at things when he knows thanks so that's how it kind of makes me concerned when i see him say in the quote here. I think this is interesting to watch wendell. Wendell smallwood for example has been really really good and i think he may very well. Make the team when most thank you will. I don't think spuds is saying that in his leg all he's just clueless by the way i totally disagree with them. In terms of smaller as the good he looks exactly like would expect from windows smaller like the no more orna less <unk> perfectly whatever perfectly replacement level player just a guy so that's concerning to me. I feel like they're gonna keep five and i would hate that very much especially because it's just like the team is so much talent on the roster. You don't need to be keeping by running. Backs and you don't need to be swallowed. Who's on the free agent after this year. I hope it doesn't happen. Mike you could claim a window smallwood at any point in the season from literally anywhere that i think that's my big issue with it. He is the like the definition of of a replacement level backup so why keep him specifically round like how much does deuce like this guy. That's that's that's wild to me so it. We'll see how that plays out regarding the comment. Thing man like i was already thinking of the episode titled hugs are bad. Handshakes are good because i think that handshake that's special handshake as a sacred bond that you recreate right there. I agree with you. That's super serious so that's something to keep an eye on his well bill any other notes from the practice today before we before we kick rocks <hes> round darby did force fumble during team joe so that was good to see nice also saw no snyder get the ball punched out for sitting completion by again humphrey so that humphry guy not too bad. I think that just about does it for the most part from what i see here i would say if you're really looking for a deep dive of a note here matt prior who i feel kind of as having a horrible summer but might make the team anyway. <hes> notably on the first team field goal protect unit. Maybe that's something like. Maybe that's a sign that he is in good standing. It is going to be interesting to see here. You know we're getting into the the heat of things in terms of like okay. This is your third preseason game this year last chances to really impress in kind of if you're one of those guys is fighting for on those last roster spots really like make your case. I think mccown's is going to make the team in that regard. You know there's been talk that he won't because you're seeing greg word and marking michelle l. make some place but you know with max starting to come on a little bit in practice in him having a reputation for being a good special teams player and he did look good on special teams by the way in the asking you to great reps. I felt like on the punt coverage unit where like he got down. He affected the returner immediately and that's important like as much as you might like like mark and michelle i like mark and michelle and i like greg ward but those guys i know you can get on the practice squad or at least i'm pretty sure you can and those guys who aren't going to contribute the way mac collins's on terms is a special teams like those guys are gonna play really on special teams so that's kind of what matters were those bottom roster spots so that's something to keep in mind one last injury. No i guess i'll touch on is that i did z strap at practice today. He was wearing boots still on his right foot. What about hey. What about jalen mills that that makes me think like where. Where is he in all this. I think he's going to be on pop to begin the regular season which you would miss at least the first six games and then he would be eligible to return seven at the very soonest doesn't mean in he would be backed by then and i think i was thinking about this too mike because i saw him at practice again on sunday and i was thinking like it's a tough spot for jalen because he's going to be a free agent agent after this year so he's gonna wanna get back on the field as soon as he can. I feel like you know because e you needs to reclaim his role and like be able to do his best asked to kinda get playing time and being a spot where he can try to make a nice money in free agency next year but if he's thinking about it maybe a little bit more like patiently gently and building okay but i don't want to rush out and get on the field and not get healthy and i'm kind of struggling with injuries all year and then i'm going to go into free. Agency values going to be really low. 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BGN Radio #48: Recapping Day 2 of the 2019 NFL Draft

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BGN Radio #48: Recapping Day 2 of the 2019 NFL Draft

"You're listening to be in radio. Why would you listen to any other eagles test with John Stolnis in randomly gal? Welcome into BGN radio. This is episode forty eight. I'm your special host for this episode. Michael cast follow me on Twitter at Michael kissed NFL. Joining me today here to recap day to of the two thousand nineteen and fell draft, the master of ceremony may rain forever. He is Brandon league. Alan follow him on Twitter at Brandon gout in all of this. Of course, I got a positive this. Brought to you by the five folks at Espy nation. Beal g how you doing brother, Mike. It's good to be here with you lot to talk about with a lot of moving parts with the eagles and what they're doing in the straffed. Yes. Speaking of moving parts, there is a lot going on. And because of that we have some quick housecleaning to do that we didn't get to previously. And that's the news of TIMMY, Jernigan the defensive tackle signing a one year deal with the eagles. I don't think that changed the draw. Strategy at all as we heard about a lot of interest in Christian Wilkins, the eagles possibly moving up to thirteen which also means I don't have a ton of confidence. He even makes the roster ultimately. But it's news. They got lost in the shuffle of reacting to the draft. Of course, we're going to cover the draft that they two picks all that here. But before we get to that. Is there anything you'd like to add about the TIMMY Jernigan signing back when the eagles had that decision to make to you know, whether to pick up to me journey option or decline in obviously, we all knew there in decline that you weren't going to be paying whatever it was. I mean, they saved like seven million by declining to pick it up for a guy who only played forty five snaps last year at headed potential career ending which was by the way, like his kind of words, not just speculation. Like, he said his he thought is career might be over when he suffered that undisclosed mystery herniated disc in his back last offseason. So I thought was kinda weird when he like I felt like TIMMY journey. What was best for him was to come back to the eagles before they kinda kinda option in like be willing to take a pay cut? I think him making it to the market only hurt him because he what was he gonna find out there? Nothing. Like, you know, it's a it's a draft. It's loaded with talent. There's a lot of defensive lineman talent and freezing as well. So in the fact that we haven't seen these contracts. Details come out yet for two Jernigan probably tells us that it's not, you know, a a great deal for him. I to win your deal. I think he's gonna be on the team this year, especially because right now, you know, on paper fudge Cox Malea Jackson to me journey in even Trayvon Hester. Looks like a pretty good group of offensive tackles in. Then again, we'll see what the do here still on day three of the NFL draft. But yeah, I'm not I'm not shocked joining in his back. You know, I thought it made sense to bring back if you could get him on this kind of probably cheap low risk deal that I'm assuming you've got him on. And it's good if he's healthy. That's great. Definitely annual be interesting to see just like you said with Dave. Three though ripple effect from that if they still have faith that Jernigan will be there, if not if they're still fine with the current rotation that they had again, we mentioned the interest in Wilkins, a lot of my favorite darlings from the interior defensive line class are off the board at this point that let's talk about a guy that's not off the board before we get to the eagles selections because this is a guy that that jerk Benjamin. So lack was trying to sell you on to select it five Chauncey Gardiner Johnson has seen a massive slide. We're recording at the very end of the third round. So if you get selected here, we'll try to update you, but we might miss this. As we go through the last few picks around, but a Bill G what's wrong with Ben. What's his deal? How did he not know? He's supposed to be connected to these things. Very disappointed going to have to seriously consider firing Ben from the podcast, obviously. Yeah. But speaks to how unpredictable everything is right. Like, you know, we we go into the draft. We all think we know what's going to happen to some extent. And then feral gets taken at four and. Gardner Johnson slips out of out of potentially until day three. If he doesn't get tonight. So like, you know, who knows what these things. It's unpredictable. I mean, I guess, you know, in eagles context here, Mike, how surprised are you that none of their first three picks are defensive players there. It's all often so far yet. They're really loading up on offense. I'm fascinated by that because it seems like, and it's not like the manner that we may have thought would like the speed threat. But we'll talk about that. And yet they haven't even touched the defense position. We know that they had replacement level starters that they could probably upgrade the linebacker position. We know that safety is something that we're we were looking at before the draft. They brought in a ton of official visits for like the top tier type of guys at least. That's what we thought. Anyway, I mean, darnel savage was one of the guys that we brought in. And he went twenty first overall, you know, opposite story for garner. Johnson weren't lawn Thornhill win day to but they had a lot of interest in the position is like a long-term feel. They must have really. I loved the guys that were there and had them high on the board for them to go offense offense offense like that. And let's get into some of those offensive players will start talking about the picture mile Saint there's running back at fifty three overall in the second round, you know, Beal, I was really hoping for one of the safeties that we've been trying to the table for right here at fifty three. I thought the board was falling perfectly. There. We've been told by several people that the eagles were in love with Sandra. So it really wasn't a big surprise. When we productive player one thousand two hundred seventy four yards last year in the run game added on the one hundred thirty nine yards receiving so you hope to more there. Maybe it's one of those what can he do versus what he was asked to do type situations because he certainly has the ability to improve in that area. He tested pretty well one thing that has to clean up, and we talked about this with Benjamin soul. Ackerley? I did I know fumbles aren't necessarily sticky from year to year, but his average of two point six fumbles per one hundred carries was a big red flag for me. And a lot of them came again. Contact overall. There are a lot of players I had higher on my board, including Durell Henderson of Memphis. But if you wanna keep it in the same position group there, but he was really tough to evolve for me Sanders was I went back to his tape. A few times to see if there was something that I was missing. And I still like the prospect. I just didn't like him necessarily in that range, and I'll place my faith in how we induce daily to prove me wrong on this one build you. What was your reaction when the pit came down? Oh, I think Howie Roseman reactions said a best he trolled the eagles media tonight. And he's like, hey DJ after running back. Finally, we did it, and I can stop asking us about it. So very strong move there by Roseman. But I mean, this is, you know, this is a significant thing like Howie Roseman until this two thousand nineteen fell draft had never drafted a running back before the fourth round. And we all know who they took in the fourth round a couple of years ago. And I very sorry. Just another missed by then come on anyway. Yeah. It's killing me. You're. Gonna have to discipline. He's still in both of us were mile Sanders. I just the cell on him to me looking at this from my standpoint here is that like untapped potential here because of the whole him sitting behind saquon Barkley at Penn State, you know, you look at the athleticism. He tested, you know, not amazing. But like good thing about him. I guess to me is that like I'm gonna redo here from what Thore Nystrom from rota world wrote about him. I think this kind of sums up mile cinders to me, and the quote is if Sanders hits his ceiling he's going to become one of the best backs in this class, perhaps even the very best. If it turns out that this is just sort of who he is than be solid enough committee guy eminently replaceable, and from you know, that seems kinda spot on for what I think of mile Sanders there, and that's kind of like what? So I don't think it'd be this horrible player for the kind of I kind of worry what if he's kind of just like window Smallwood, you know, in that sense of like, okay, kinda fine and probably. Than window small. But he's just not like the dynamic guy that you want him to be definitely needed to address this position in some kind of way in the draft. They needed. There was obvious need for some kind of pass catching running back who can make people miss to some extent in has some kind of allusive ability in me, no mile Sanders has that somewhat amazing PF had him thirteen in terms of yards after contact per attempt. Skillset he's able to kind of make some people miss sometimes. So I get it. In theory to some extent in Jordan Howard is a free agent after this year. So it's not like he was fully anyone as some kind of long-term answer here. So mile senders can be part of this rotation. He can potentially guess the hope would be, you know, take over as the one a guy in the rotation next year moving forward. But yeah, I don't know. I'm kinda I don't know how to fill this. Tell me more on it. Like if you can't. Yeah. Let's go through some strengths and weaknesses that. I have laid out here for a week and kind of get more full picture of what I. I saw from my evaluation which I worked a ton on Sanders because it was a very hard back to figure out maybe because of inexperienced, but some of the strengths. Let's talk about that. So he's a coiled up runner, right? He gets good power out of his cuts from gap to gab, very springy type guy. So I like that aspect he can get from one side of the gap to the other side of the gap. And then chain another cut together with it without losing speed. Which is a very nice trait to have a he payers that with really good balance. He keeps his pads over his knees. He's got a fishing footwork. He's ready to cut at all times favor that power that's fantastic. As he presses the line. He's ready to go. I would have liked to have seen better results in space in terms of making guys miss. But he definitely has flash in you, you quoted the staff there he is flashed the that ability because of the bursts that he carries into those customers it's not just at the line when he gets in space. He can chain those cuss together he can set guys up at speed, which was one of the more attractive traits of drill Henderson's game that I really liked. So they kind of have that in. Common which is nice. I mentioned his receiving production before being a minus. But the film shows in limited exposures that he's a guy with good hands that can make that can take some slot reps. If you need them to we just didn't get to see a whole lot of it. So you can have to see some improvement a fuller route tree on check downs. He was nice. And again, you get him in space and he's fine some of the weaknesses. I think he can be a bit impatient and get tunnel vision as he's pressing the line, and they get perhaps that was just inexperienced one year of starting experience. And that thankfully, also comes with low tread on the tires, but I feel overall that his vision as a back was lacking fumbles. We mentioned have to take care of the ball. You're gonna stay on the field. They're not gonna put up with that long pass, bro is my big bugaboo with him. Luckily, Howard's very strong in this regard. But I it's got to be improved upon for Sanders. It's a hole in his game. And I know people that are hearing that right now are groaning to themselves because of the issues that the eagles have had in that air. Area recently. So he has to have to clean that up. He's got to get better with his depth away engages with his hands dips his head sometimes and could get blown by. So that is one if I had to pick one area of his game that I would say is weak is trait. I would say it's his pass, bro. But as as far as what Thors said, I really liked that assessment. Because if he is just who he is right now, you're looking at a solid one b and that's okay. But really what you're looking for in the second round from from the running back position, which has a lower value than a lot of these other positions is just a higher impact build you. How would you say that he fits in the I if you could predict do you think he gets more carries than Jordan Howard this year? I don't think so I think you know, you have Howard here traded for him, especially if he's not going to be around long term one not run him into the ground. No. I'm not saying, you know during our twenty Gary per game guy. That's just not how eagles run their offense. Let's just you know, we haven't seen that you're in the Doug Peterson era. And I don't think we're out. To. So I still think Howard leads the way unless he struggles, you know, in in my house enders, not really come on as the season goes along the kinds of becomes a situation where you have to play him more. Mike clay from ESPN put out projection for miles. Anders the season. He has him at hundred seventy carries for seven hundred sixteen yards five touchdowns thirty five receptions for two hundred seventy nine yards one touchdown. So like, you know, a pretty that's pretty I think optimistic a little actually a little bit. But kind of their overall for what you can expect out of him. It's going back to what I said about small would like some of the things you said, isn't that kind of small issues like lack vision, fumbling issues Hasbro? Yeah passer. That's it's almost like you're describing announcement saying there is this player. But I'm just saying some of those things a little similar shin my head, and that's that's the part. I don't love the part of you love again, the part where I think eating try to sell yourself on these some myself on that the untapped. Henschel thing. You know, he's only twenty one. You know, he was sitting behind saquon Barkley, which is not a slight. That's you'll be the you can be incredibly good just because he's there like you're not gonna get that chance to shine because it's saquon Barkley it's kind of interesting evaluation because you look back to the two thousand seventeen draft in. What did we all think was put into the eagles production to a fault? You have to done on Humphry most productive running back in college history. So it's kind of interesting that they would go the opposite direction in this way. But apparently really loved him the short a lot of interest in him. They had him on a project. Visit do Staley apparently really liked him. They also talked to him at the combine Pol dumber. Which from the daily news that you will really liked Sanders lot leading up to the draft. So there's definitely a lot of smoke here around this one turned out to be true in this guy again in this the guy who they're taking, you know, this is the earliest running back. Harry rosement has ever taken. So I just think that's interesting. You're you're really putting himself out there. And be like, this is our guy. We like this guy a lot. And I just I hope he can meet up to the expectation because like you said like he can be this fine running back, and that's okay. But this is the second round pick. So that's a significant resource. So I hope he's pretty good. Yeah. Fans will not be happy with that. And you know, obviously, we have a lot of Penn State fans. That are also eagles fans that are probably hate, right? A right now saying you can book it he's star. I mean. Yeah. I mean, we all we're all rooting for this guy v if he's good. It's better for the eagles. You hope that's what it is. But you know, you mentioned small some some of the traits that are lacking. There. I will say that the defining trait between the two is that ability to cut because I think Smallwood like corners like dump truck and Sandra's able to get in and out and kind of has that slalom type footwork raking carry speed. And and it's real nice. There's a defining traits. Make you feel better. If you're worried about the Wendo Smallwood, comparison Beal g any last word on Sanders. Maybe you wanna grade. Pick before we take a break in go to our next election. Yes, all give you the grade from bleeding renascent that come first we did a poll as we always do in our articles on BGN and with just over three thousand votes. We have fifty three percent checking in a liked it the Penn State fans baby there represent lot of vans. Thirty five percent of the B. So it's eighty percent. Total beer better. And eight percent. See so people like to pick for me. I have to give it a be just from first glance. There's some things maybe that's generous. I don't know. I really don't know how to feel about this from from my opinion, this is not going to be a popular opinion. And I hate being negative. I'm probably going to give it a C. Just because there were so many other players of Vail lable on my board where the eagles could have gotten contributions from including again, another running back that we mentioned before Durell Henderson who I think is already a better receiver right now than seniors. Obviously Sanders has that ceiling that he could possibly reach as far as being a receiver goes of. I mean Henderson's got that one point four to ten yard split. But the bursted he's got I would have been more. Okay. With him there. I'm not gonna lie to anyone about my valuation and make you think that you know, everything is rosy right now. But I think we we've spoken honestly about Sanders about her his about his evaluation that I have on your opinion of him. I gave him a C you gave him a B hopefully process all wrong, and he is an a plus running back baby. Even. One. So when we come back, you're on bleeding relation BGN radio episode, forty eight we're gonna talk about the next selection at pick fifty seven in the second round right here on lead greenish everybody. Neil Patel editor and chief of the verge and this is the verge cast. I is the flagship podcast the verge every week. We cover the latest Intech news reviews. We took a critical look at what is going on now. And next in the world of tech show hosted by me, our executive editor debone, not your friend and Paul Miller. It just feels like there's something wrong with all computers, though. Don't you think that sometimes we do that on Fridays and on Tuesdays interview episode IV in talking to all kinds of influential people in around the world attack. 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And we are back here on bleeding relation for BGN radio episode, forty eight myself joined by Beal may forever reign. Let's talk about this selection at fifty seven here. It was a surprise pick JJ or Sega Whiteside. The wide receiver out of Stanford six to two twenty five bigwigs span seventy nine seven eight inches. That's ninetieth percentile got long arms big catch radius. And I've said this on other shows I can confirm that at the Stanford pro day at least two scouts had him better than they reported four point four nine forty yard. Dash they had him at under four four. We're talking one Hatem at four three eight another scout had him at four three nine. Now is so lack has pointed out that's partly due to his track background. But the dude isn't slow which I think is the impression that a lot of people will get from him when they see a big wide receiver that they don't know much about. So let's dispel that. Rumor right now, this guy is not a slot. Out there. I the way this whole thing works out in a lot of people asked about the fit. Right. So it kinda reminds me of the pairing of maybe Mike Evans, and Chris Godwin or out, Sean, Jeffrey, and Brandon Marshall and that worked out pretty well. People forget that that tandem existed. I've had a ton of people asking about how he fits as you know. Bill g I wrote this article for bleeding green dot com that talked about what happens if they draft a big dude like JJ as tight that they were bringing in for official visits. They were bringing in like shiftier speedier slot type guys, including me, go Hormann who we can talk about what happened there. But my guess if I if I say right now that dishonor Jackson gets kicked into the slot more. Maybe I'm not saying like a whole lot maybe about thirty to forty percent. I think Nelson Adler is definitely on the block. We keep an eye on that moving forward. If Agla is gone that makes six hundred ten slot reps that left the building this off season. When you combine. Them with Tate and everybody else. This is a midseason herky-jerky transition style that we went through with Tate. We got a whole lot of time to figure out how all of this gels together as they work in JJ, and he's not expected to be a starter right away. And you just hope by the end of the year that he's giving you a contribution and showing some of the dominance, especially in the red zone that he showed in college g your instant reaction to the selection of JJ are cigarette side, you're the fifth thing. I guess was kind of where I added question about when I saw this. Because in kind of contrasting that to the mile Sanders thing like, I know why mile Sanders fits in on this team. Like, I know will start him. They had that need the wide receiver thing they didn't necessarily. They didn't have to get this guy. Right. It's not like they they have this leering need for exactly what he brings the table. At least how I saw it. So that was kinda made me curious about this one. So you look at who he is player and the talents. Clearly there you look at how you know, he. These third overall wide receiver. He was tense in yards per route run he had the third highest passer rating when targeted last year, and you are not about the speed thing there might in. He was tied for eleventh explosive place last year watching the sky, you know, he's definitely to be in the al-sham Jeffrey mode of throw up and let him catch. It figure it out. He is that basketball background and really kind of interesting to me. I'm wondering if eagles are kind of zigging or zagging, everyone say it when the rest of the league is beginning smaller in in China to find these guys who are quicker getting bigger like you have Zakar it's and Dallas Qatar, and I'll Sean Jeffrey now J J A W, which again, that's a whole another thing we need to figure out by the way at the day. I don't know what we're doing the nickname thing. It's too confusing. Some people wanna call him jaws. We can't call him jaws. Where do you have jaws? You can't you can't have Rhonda worse. He I'm reaching out searches. So, you know, I'm reaching out to my Stanford guy having heard back from yet. But I'm wondering a nickname. We don't necessarily know about this is the most important thing. I think he definitely needs to be asked about this. When he has project media post draft media here yet. So a lot of size with all these guys that's kind of interesting angle to this and just going at a larger thematical angle here are loading up on playmakers or helmet for Carson Wentz supporting cast call it what you will. And that's probably not by accident. I mean, I think they probably definitely want to surround personal with a lot of talent especially going into such a key year. Like he is this year. So I think some people will be like, hey, why are the you'll getting another guy who's kind of a jump ball receiver win? Carson doesn't. Always do that often. Jeffrey now, people are gonna question that I think people are gonna question, you know, the the athlete you said the speed was there, Mike, but you know, you look at the scouting reports. And they're like he's nothing run by defensive back. So in especially just because some of the other receivers they were looking at like, a Miko Hartman or Hollywood Brown. These guys figured, okay? They kind of want someone who's gonna have that deep speed any still, Sean, Sean also turns thirty three this year. And he's probably only going to be on the team realistically for one or two more seasons you signed through three more years. But you know, who knows if he makes it to the last year. So another interesting kind of thing here again, I'm not really sure had feel about just because the fit is interesting to me in enough Nadler angle is a big one. Obviously that we need to talk about. Now. Harry Roseman was asked about Adler and the rumors that have been out there to be clear. I guess we should say it's not that the eagles necessarily. Want to trade Nelson? I've lower in in terms of how these rumors have been phrased it's always been like they're open to offers. And even when Adam Schefter said tonight after the eagles drafted JJ here. So we'll see how that goes still. You know, I think it's still hardly lock that at Lord's going to be on the roster. Just because how he says it on a draft night press conference in April. So a lot of off season still for the season gets here. You know, there's the trade deadline in late October early November whenever it is. So so a lot of time for that to happen. If it does. So it's interesting I just into fits interesting here. And I'm not totally sure about what to make. I think your point about the brand Marshall awesome. Jeffrey thing is very interesting. I mean, all Sean head some of his best years there working across from Marshall. So I'm intrigued, but you know, I'm kind of also in this kind of wait-and-see mode. Yeah, that's fair. And look this weapons for Wentz partout when you really think about it with all the offense. Talent that they added not only in free agency. But now in the draft is well in all kinda give you my rundown on jayjay. I guess is what I'll call them for short right now, cigarette. Seidman you talk about his strength. So there's so much more to route running than typically it's talked about bullets get into some of that number one. He's got typewriter feet. They are quick. And he uses them really well to get in and out of cuts at a faster pace. A lot of big dudes uses his hands wealth throughout the route dumb, though, I'd like to see more of that to keep himself clean. He's got surprising lateral agility on film, and I all lot of that too technique, which doesn't lock his athleticism. So he gets in and out of his cuts doesn't really waste much motion the stacks and tracks with the best of in this class is all aided by his releases, which are super super clean. So, you know, we're talking about you know, he might not blow past the guy, but he's going to beat them on the release and then stack them, and then that is his world you combine all of that with the ability to create space act, the catch point he's. As a jump ball demon. He's a serious weapon in the red zone. I'm telling you if this guy is going to put himself in the best position to go up and get it, and he's going to be aggressive about it. So I mentioned the lateral Jillian goaded some weaknesses some of the hard Ingle cuts. Some of the comebacks curls. There's going to be a little extra step in there. And I don't know if I describe it as as a gear down, but there is an extra step there. It's just a product of the body type. But it's there these that and all and this is the biggest weakness he's not going to be a yards after catch wizard. It's just not his game. And it's probably is worse. Trade is kind of really like L, Sean in that regard. So overall, you're getting a guy that that's clean at the line. A dominating presence downfield in the red zone guy works on his craft. I love the players thirty eighth overall my board. He was my fourth wide receiver. I was pretty high on him, and I can pound table and prognosticate as much as I like, but we won't know until the rubber hits the road. And we understand how all of these different moving pieces right now throughout this draft process going into training camp preseason as a season starts how. All that meshes together. So the question is definitely out there. It's definitely warranted. I understand it. But from my point of view right now, the eagles got a really good football player at a great value. And I love it. So I'm gonna go ahead because of the concerns with the fit how it all works in. I'm going to give it a be even though it's a really good value for me Bill. Gee, what say you? Yeah. Wanna go again look back here at the leading green nation ratings. We have so far. And again, you can go vote for this yourself on in Greenwich dot com. Look for the articles with these polls in them, though with just over three thousand five hundred votes only eighteen percent say so pretty much the least popular you'll picked so far. Yes. Forty six percent say be so it's not viewed as some disaster pick. But there's twenty seven percent see, I guess we'll be minus for this one. Yeah. I just the fifth thing. I guess that's what I can't stop thinking about like, especially if you're is here. Still makes it. Weird. I guess I of get it in a long-term because also Jeffrey getting older and for as much as I love him to be around forever. You know, his contract. Also, pretty big one in the if they wanted to move on from that. I guess you know, there you have. I mean, how we Roseman is also talked about to that it takes out a develop these wide receiver. So maybe saying, you know, that's a big part of it. That's a great point, Mike. I think that's that's definitely something to consider. But I guess between this and the Sanders thing, I guess my overall take away from this night is like I'm not bummed in the sense of. I think these are terrible picks like would be the near chance at number six are the home runs that I wanted I guess not. And I think one of the biggest concerns one of my biggest annoyances with us last year was their lack of explosion. And I just wonder did that get better. I think it's not I already said cited that that about JJ's explosive plays. But is that going to translate to the NFL the yards after the catch isn't there, which I don't love because just last year felt like, and I said it multiple times you'll have the most tackle -able off. Offense in the NFL someone catch the ball and nothing's going to happen after that. There's just no or you know, someone gets out into open space running back and there's one offender needs to make him. Just never do. So it's just frustrating watch. I want that explosion. I want that speed. And now look deals got Sean Jackson back. But that's just one guy. You know, what it strong gets hurt? Like he's he hasn't played sixteen game seasons very often in his career. He hasn't always missed a ton of time. But still like I don't want him to be the only guy who can kind of bring that dynamism to the offense. So I guess that's kinda what I'm just kinda not thrilled about the fact that leading get these necessarily homerun hitters, you would have had in Miko Hartman or Anura Anderson. These guys who have a lot of speed. And I guess that's kind of why I'm a little bit disappointed in that way. In a dispute the B B B, minus for JJ as a whole over being this whole thing, you're including Dillard that was going to ask you about him. He is a slam dunk a for me. Yes. So overall. I guess I'm giving it to be as a whole Dillard in there a love the Dillard pick. So you didn't get to chime in on that when me me and Stolnis recording. But yeah, we were talking in this lack obviously made a lot of sense to both of us. Do you wanna cheer the listeners up say goodbye to them and professor love for Dillard and the listeners at the same time. I think that's a good way to start to move out of here may be some ratings out is. Yeah, I feel bad because people are going to don't man that podcasts with such a bummer. I didn't mean. Not our goal to bump people out. I think and again, I don't think I'm like, I'm not like all all hope is lost fire. How is not what I wanna give off? I'm just like I'm not as cited as I thought I might be which kinda has me relatively disappointed in that. I thought like you'll make it a guy that I was just going to be over the moon about and I throw a fit, and it was just like, oh, this is a no brainer. Like, these aren't that? For me. I'm kind of having to like think about them more. Maybe that's because I'm stupid. Offense, really doesn't I'm over complicating this in my head. But maybe it's just because you know, it's not the most obvious fit on paper and we'll see overall. But as always we appreciate you falling along here on weei nation dot com. All the written content, obviously online everyone's doing a great job with that you Mike Ben both end. Thrilling time select Alexis league Tyler everyone who's helping out the doing a great job on the site and the podcast as well. So definitely continue to fall long hair. We have a big day head of us Mike year in day three you'll may of two more picks though, so down how that goes. They potentially have nine picks next year. So they could they could always heavily dip into that. If they wanted to trade up into this year, or they trade or the trade big. So there's options, but yeah, we'll see with just two more pigs potentially to go. We'll see what they do here. We will catch you next time on BG radio. We appr-. She ate you. Tune in for the draft special. 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Uber for Pets (#87, SpotOn)

The Pitch

34:16 min | 8 months ago

Uber for Pets (#87, SpotOn)

"Uber they used to be the start up. Everybody wanted to build the Uber for something. You Know Uber for sea lions or Uber for Zucchini bread. But in the past year or two investors woke up to the fact that ridesharing on its own is a pretty unprofitable business to be in today's founder. Aparna screen of Austin is trying to build a business on ridesharing for pets but our investors wonder if being pet friendly is enough to bring in the big bones and if it is. What's to Stop Uber? From offering rights for pets to putting her company spot on in a tight spot from Gimblett. This is the pitch. I'm Josh. Let's meet the investors. I'm Charles. Hudson Charles started precursor ventures where he's invested forty five million in over one hundred startups to date. I'm Sarah Donnie Sarah's a partner at accomplice and they've invested six hundred million in over two hundred startup so far one example a company called draft kings. I'm Michael Hiatt. Michael built and sold to software companies for over five hundred million dollars and now invest from south. I'm Jillian minus. Jillian is an angel investor and partner at Structure Capital where they've invested ninety eight million in startups like the aforementioned ride hailing giant Uber. Unfil- needle fills companies have sold for hundreds of millions of dollars now he manages forefront venture partners one of the largest syndicates on. Angel List will the pitch for spot on be spot on. It's coming up in just a moment. This episode of the pitch is brought to you by Asana. Asana is a way for teams to manage and track their work whether it's on a new marketing campaign or a product launch a sonic and help plan organize and execute everything that needs to get done. Try It for free. Visit Asana Dot Com to get started. That's an A. dot com. This episode is brought to you by the think with Google podcast. I'm tests viglant the host of the thing with Google podcast and in this show. We're bringing you inside knowledge to power your marketing. We'll discuss the tools and strategies to make meaningful connections with a consumer while also growing your bottom line. The thing with Google podcast is out. Now you can listen on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. This news I Phil Aparna steps in the room wearing a light blue polo polyester golf shirts. It's that kind and where a pocket should be. Is Her company name spot on with a cute little on the logo quick question? Who'S THE PET parent? Oh I am. I have a Chihuahua. Who thinks she's my other daughter. I have two cats In their names are princess. Gigli puff and Mr Polar bear so first of all I am the founder our CEO. Krishna my dog and he's at home you know I started spot on for him. One of the hardest things to do is getting around town with your pet without actually driving yourself. And there are Uber's and lifts out there and it's very inconvenient because it's to the discretion of the driver whether they're gonNA take your or not. I have the problem because at two big dogs. One of the biggest challenges was taking them to the airport. I begged my friends for rides. Pay My car service. Three hundred and fifty dollars to six miles. I had to because we have a plane to catch so Stephan spot on. We're the solution. We ride hailing service for people in their pets. Aparna says spot on has groomed at service just for pets. There's harnesses for dogs carriers for the CAT's seat liners to keep accidents and check and the drivers are happy to have Mr Polar bear and princess. Gigli puff along for the ride. A year in spot on now gives five thousand rides a month. We're actually revolutionizing pet mobility we have unaccompanied PAT rides. Which were piloting. So if you're a busy parent you simply request a ride. We'll take your dog cat hamster to destination of your choice without you actually being there. Can you take us through? How much are you raising in? What have you raised today? Yeah Raising seven fifty. I've closed about two hundred and fifty thousand of that. Seven fifty would probably wish at three million valuation. Do you have a version of the APP that we could see? Yes I do yeah. That'd be amazing. Yeah so basically loaded up on your smartphone like so and the map comes up shows you drivers and obviously you'll be APP. Looks like Uber or lift? Except you either choose people in dogs or people and Catholic and then you choose your drop off location. Let's say let's go to Central Park Zoo. And then you choose your time so it's not on demand so currently we're not on demand We have a two hour booking window. And that's because we have to get enough drivers on our platform in order to our booking window. Yes that's a problem. It actually hasn't been a problem. Because a lot of people schedule their their animal's visits wh- they know when that's true. Wonder do on demand. We're still going to have this booking option. 'cause everybody seems like our drivers like it too. So tell me a little bit about you. Could you please and your team sure? Where team for I'm the founder and CEO and last company that. I started a boutique. Marketing firm ran that for twelve years. My CTO and co-founder John. When told him about this idea he was like you want to do what it's like Like Uber for pets and then three months later he calls me back and he was like. I've been an uber driver for three. I kind of figured this out. I think we can do it. We can do it better. So that's the kind of team I have we and actually we did a pilot in La. I printed up some fliers went to the dog park. We started getting calls. Hey can you come pick us up? Sure I was never number one. We took over five hundred writes. My friends were driving for me And that's why I knew I had something I like your moxy and actually to go even further. I stood outside. Lax Talk to every dog cat person. That was coming in. Ask Them. How did you get here? Do you have any idea if there's a convenient solution and I put all this together and now we have spot on. That's humming here in New York City first of all. I am so impressed by you. I just have to say Jillian loves a good founder. Back story on the flipside. Ladies and Gentlemen Money Man Michael. Hyatt's give an example of a Ryan. How much money Jacob paid like. Let's get let's say it's someone from downtown Manhattan to one of the airports and they didn't Newburgh. Would they pay? Then what would they pay with you? What's your cut absolutely so we're actually the most profitable ride hailing company in New York. City are rides are very similar to your uber and left but we are a little bit more expensive. Because we're premium service. You're so we we're more uber. Black range as far as what you'd pay to be in one of our cars average ride is about thirty five dollars. We take fifteen percent of that fair and then the remaining eighty five percent is given to the driver. So that's kind of where you realize. Uber left or more like twenty twenty five percent. Exactly we actually give our drivers more of an incentive to take pets with Uber and lift. They're not gonNA take you because we're offering that financial incentive. What do you see? They're not gonNA take you. I being in those tons of times with animals. Yeah no you're right. You're right there are drivers out there that will it's just a hit or miss ours is guaranteed. Just get into a newborn hand. The Guy Twenty bucks or fifty bucks extra. Just say okay. I'll say I was not aware that they had the right to turn you down if you have a pet absolutely. We've actually been getting a lot of your allergy. Yeah exactly. That's the exact reason to somebody solve that problem again. If you're old problems for twenty drivers dog it does. Wouldn't it also be easy for Uber to have a pet option in the APP and to say you? Can't you just have like a feature in the settings options to answer that question? Uber has recently added Uber. Pets yeah they realize shit for the fourth time it's not available in New York City. They've launched twenty thirteen in Dallas. Twenty fifteen in Turkey twenty seventeen in Singapore and now twenty nineteen every two years They've expanded his Austin but philly. Let's sing your success during you think Uber would then see this as natural because you've already primed the issue with with how Uber's doing it is that they're basically taking the existing human formula and laid on top of a pet formula. So what we're seeing coming out of Austin Philadelphia and the markets are in now Nashville. Is that yeah? They're clicking Uber. Pet drivers aren't available. Drivers keep counseling. It's not a guaranteed service. They're still not finding that strike. Anybody that Uber and lift struggle to do that no to make any money. Yes of course so wait. I guess what I'm struggling out if you're thirty five bucks a ride to set and you get fifteen percent on a five bucks to you. What does that represent in revenue? Revenue is odd close to about one hundred thousand dollars a month in in in in gross ingress. So you're fifteen percent fifteen percent of that. Yeah can you move that fifteen percent twenty five? We make more money. This is our testing phase. I was just GONNA say like. Rex is a tough business Who will black not a tough business correct? And so if you're doing uber black pricing you can avoid the bottom. Fiat pricing competition for that tracks. That's a good response margins and more price sensitive specific liking it but we're going after what your customer acquisition cost if you make five bucks so currently our customer. Acquisition costs are under a dollar. Tell you why is our strategy? We've partnered up with several partners. They're bringing in over sixty five percent of our rides which is lowering our cost of customer acquisition. Google we work PETCO many vets in the city. Google and we work were servicing their pet friendly office spaces so you would get a discount on our rides for being an employee. Google my question was what percentage of this is repeat usage? This feels so make the kind of business where if you find. If you tap into those people it becomes a habit. Yeah right I mean right now. Our usage a repeat usage is close to. I'd say forty five percent wasn't use once they're hooked because they know that we have a service that is not just guarantee but we're safe. Our drivers are amazing. Bust Trust is built. Trust all right. The investors are getting passionate here which is rarely a bad thing in the pitch they just want spot on could be less like Uber. The question is can pets. 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Michael Hiatt is wavering. Back and forth. He likes it. He likes it not he likes it. This is not typical. Typical Michael has a point of view. Any stand by it like man's best friend what comes next is more true to form. Tell us how. How does this become a big business? I'm struggling because I like you would like to pitch. I Love Charles. Had to say which. Kinda got me off of the UBER. Axon onto the Uber Blacks. And now I'm thinking how does it become not INITI- business? How is this a business business if you look at the pet landscape? There's nobody that's in pet mobility right now. We can harness the power of the pet market by groomers daycares. How many daycares are there here in New York City? Oh but gazillion. We can essentially become their transportation to them. We are currently talking to them. And that's why I said our partnership with Petco is actually going to really take this to another level. I'm sure what is the deal with that? What what are they doing for you? And so we're basically going to be servicing their union square location so bringing pets to and from Union square with or without their owners depending on what kind of if they're going for grooming or otherwise. Can we refrain that a little bit though? It sounds like you have a couple of different services you have like Michael. Said you have to like it's you and your dog going across town right. Maybe Uber can easily. Yes but then you've got the unaccompanied pet going to the fat like a training water. What percentage of rides unaccompanied so? We're just piloting that with our partners. So what we've been seeing is probably about Close to about one hundred fifty coming in a month as very limited because we wanna make sure that we perfect it before we release its partners to have over twenty in New York City. First of all I am squarely in your target market. Like I pay a vet to come to my house. I live in Boston and I have two cats who hate to be in the car. I would pay so much just for the peace of mind like if I can't be there in the unaccompanied visit that's a skill. Imagine like a baby carrier in a case like every level there so highly in this business. I really like I do too. I think I'm GonNa take you to our really like the business to I am not gonNA invest yet. Something Michael said. I think we need to run down and I don't think we can do it in this room. Which is let's assume that the ham just going from central park back to my house with my pet after a fun day out assuming that business gets commoditised is the remainder of the business interesting. It might turn out that like for unaccompanied visit. You could charge way more anymore right so I'm gonNA pass for now but I would like to spend time with you and see if I could get convinced that assuming that that business gets commodities minimum. Gets more competitive. What models could you use on the higher and things that are more difficult to replicate and does that yield an interesting in my hunch is the answer is probably it does thank you? Charles is out. He might be interested if Aparna can convince him. That spot on is more than just a mash up of Uber and Fido if spot on can do a lot of things that Uber can't do then he might invest. What's the biggest thing I need to do with this product? The biggest thing we need to do is expand our footprint in New York City and show the scale ability. How do you do that in order for us to do that? We need to really pump more money into our marketing. What we've been doing right now is relying heavily on our business partners which is great but there are a lot of people out there that don't know about us and we really need to not. You're not focused in endre percent on the B. B. You you want to expand the Dec- marketing channel business at the end of the day right. It's just we yeah exactly. It's just how we acquire customers so absolutely. We want to expand the B. Two B. but in order for us to really show the full width and breath of what we do. We really need to get the customer directly. I'd be much more interested if you were focused. Strictly on be be aggressive to see doubling down on that and not the focus on direct A. B. C. So I I think that for now on the pest what did you call the company spot on your carpet cleaning leg. Why not pet rod pet right? Why WOULD YOU BE? You're spot on because that is actually what I was thinking to spot on. I have zero. It's easy to spell easy to remember. But what does it have to do with the service? So spot is a common name for a dog cat and hop on a cat. There's no casting spot but okay so would you be opened to rebranding this so that it has put Roy Moore of pet on something that people would associate. We're new enough that we can. Oh this is our only market right now. Yeah so as far as rebranding it would be very easy for us to actually let me just wrap. You've gone but look I'M GONNA pass. Let me tell you. Why Twenty nineteen very specifically said one thing to investors which is user economics matter very much and I think you're great. I think this is a very cool niche business but as soon as you actually start going wider and actually start putting marking money in one thing you're gonNA find about a beat AC- you will drink capital marketing this business. This is going to be horrendously expensive to scale so for that reason. Amount thank you. I'm I'm gonna cut to the chase here. I'm just GonNa put twenty thousand end of my own right now. Okay and I do think there's a lot to be proven out here but I actually believe you are going to get big margins. I know that pet owners pay soon much and they really don't care about cost they care about trust thank you. I also for Twenty Five K. We sit here and we wait for something to grab us and I come from a family of crazy. Pet people like my first job. Sixteen was up dog salesperson. Like my mom's a fulltime cat adoptee. She basically facilitates the adoptions between the shelter and and the people I think this could be really big and I like Jillian. Still have a lot of questions but like the fact that both you and your CTO went out in droves as cars and waited for people at the airport. Like that is what I want to see in founder and like you just have it so under thank you. So I'm Anne thank you very much. Thank you thank you touch rethink spot on just a little right. We'll talk about talking about outright pat. Reid might be might be already used. Loaded scully yelp away. Well after par leaves the room. Michael is like a dog with a bone. He just keeps making his case against spot. On the biggest companies on the planet that are into ride sharing struggle with unit economics. Now sure that you know it's niche and everything else and has a premium but I I suspect what will happen is that she's going to try to launch and you didn't find it very very expensive to add clients this is. This is why I'm focused on the B. B. Opportunity where she's now I I disagree. I think that this woman is coach of oil and I think just in the time that she was here. She says she was starting to rethink this. And I do think that I mean this can be entrepreneurs. I want them to run the company you don't want to be in the business and entrepreneurial that's not what we do why. I want them to run. The company have vision and I want to support them but she has taken them in the schools. Doing hotel or you get. You can only get on the phone so busy. I don't have time to coach. Bill is one thing but I want I agree with my I WANNA see. Mission is if she said our vision is our differentiator from Uber. We were not going direct to consumer. We're focusing I would be. I would be done. Well I WANNA see. Before I invest I wanna see what percentage of that seven fifty they're going to be using partnerships for B. Two B. and what percentage they're going to use for consumers. Yeah like this. Is this risky. How Ya but like willing to take a risk on somebody who who will jump in l. a. In a car off out. There's no agree to disagree. There's no money away. I can't wait to eat those. But Will Michael have to eat those words? That's coming up after the break. Hey when you hear from science fasces how show takes on the messy world of news and Internet fights to find out what's real what's not and what somewhere in between and the season I'll show is all about the corona virus. We're answering questions like should we be wearing homemade mosques like from teasha all those properties that we like are t-shirt make them problematic to us as fast. Listen FOR FREE ON SPOTIFY. Or you get your podcasts to search for science the S. A. Welcome back in the monster followed Parnis pitch a lot went down producer. Heather Rogers got her to tell the story and the first thing that happened is APARNA got on a call with Jillian and right off the Bat. She began fielding questions about the competition. Uber is so huge looming over US. That it might just be too big for us to overcome. It's always a question. It's always something that looms heavy. I've put it in many different ways. Yes Uber's out there and I know you're concerned but guess what this is how we're GONNA be able to fix that after the call. Aparna wasn't sure which way Jillian was leaning but soon enough one unread message popped up from. Jillian minus. Here's heather. What did that email say The email basically said. Hey I've thought about this and I think Uber is just too big of a hurdle to get over and I'm going to pass a few days later apart gets another email this time from Sarah and she passes to for the same reason as Jillian Uber. These two people from the pitch room were so excited about spot on like in the room. They were super excited about it. Can you describe what it was like to read those emails? Yeah honestly it was a blow because I just thought that these two amazing women are going to be supporting another woman and I was like. Oh my God. I'm in a close out this year with like two major investors that are gonNA jump on board awesome to know both of them are out and then what what did you do next. Did you email them back? Email them back then. I thank them for their time but then I did when I add that yes. You're worried about Uber. But if we think about it tweet. Dot Com is in the world of Amazon. They're doing amazing. Rover is in the world of AIRBNB. So if those guys can do it then yeah spot on has a space in. Buber lifts world as well. So that's that's basically the way I ended it and then I went on holiday and then About three weeks go by and Jillian sent me a message and said Talk Talk. I said sure. And then the next thing you know my phone rings and it's a call from California and I'm like okay and she's like hi. It's Jillian she's like look. I can't stop thinking about you. I can't stop thinking about what you have and how much you've done. I mean she was just like it's it's searing in my mind and I have to help you. You're stealing. I kept thinking okay. Let me see how I can make it work. I mean see what comes I can get partner with her. Let me see about investors? Let me because I could not let go. That was exactly the thing that you couldn't let go of her I think you said she has everything founder needs and she was like. I'm going to have a look again at the investment. But I also want to help you in other ways and this is basically how she worded it. I think you need a behemoth to go up against a behemoth and I was like okay. I mean we're you know we're ready for it. Let's go. I mean this is what I need. I thought that if I could get the best partners for her like a wag and some other ones actually had in my head than I could create pilot for her That would definitely shows some validation. She was like the first thing I'm GonNa do is email garret the CEO of wag. And tell him to get on a call with you so I mean that's and she did. She did because the very next day I get an email from Garrett and literally a day after that email I get on a call of Garrett wow so Garrett smallwood is the CEO of wag which funny enough people often describe lag as the Uber for. Docs if you need a dog walker or a dog sitter you pull up wag on your phone and you get one stat. And as an investor in the company Jillian saw obvious partnership potential between spot on and wag hence the introduction Garrett's now to put that into perspective. That's like introducing an aspiring singer to beyond say to Aparna. Garrett is total celebrity. Can you tell me a little bit more about the call? So the call happened in my cousins. Tusla so as actually sitting at the mall charging the car while I was talking to to Garrett and he found that very funny I mean I'm bold I get right to the point. I'm like dude I'd like to partner with you and he asked me. How do you think that would look and I was like? Hey you guys have cats and dogs that you have to send to their boarding places why not have a quote unquote delivery system where we can pick up the pet? Take it to The Borders House and then once the the stays over we bring the pet back or excursions. Now you can offer wag excursions Yo. A Walker can take ten dogs from New York City to the beach or hiking in the mountains or something like that in a spot on exactly. I'll mazing without be and he was. He was really liking that he'd like the direction he liked and he was really excited about our numbers and You know the general direction that we're going in one downside was that you know we are only in New York City yet. We'd love to partner with you but you're only in New York and I was like. Yeah but new. York's really back so exactly. How did you leave it with him? Yeah I mean he actually said you know let's talk about this further along let's get through your co-pilot let's see how that goes and then let's really sit down and develop what we need to to see a partnership come out of spot on and WAG. Wow Yeah let's see where everything goes okay. So you talked to Garrett two days before Christmas yeah and then you hear back then tell me what. What's the next thing that happens with Jillian so it was a couple days after I think it was just after the New Year? She said I'm going to invest. I WanNa put in twenty five thousand. So everything was all set. I was just waiting for her to sign the documents. She said she was sending it to our legal team so they can review it really quick. We're all thinking. Yeah it's green light. Let's go a couple of days before we were supposed to close. She came back to me and said I just heard from legal and there seems to be a conflict of interest so I was like. Oh Wow dot socks that totally sacks yeah it was a real big blow allows like shoot man wow But I did respond to her and and I basically you know said Fleet says illegal says it right? It's like she said like I really WanNa go out with you. But my parents won't let me do it exactly. It wasn't that she didn't believe in this wasn't that she didn't think that we had what it took. It was just unfortunately there are certain things that you know lawyers say and do that is in the best interest of their client. And I understand that it wasn't me it wasn't spot on. It wasn't our team so it really makes me happy to know that we're doing something right and we're doing something that people want to be a part of mom and and that's what's going to keep us going through everything I mean. Of course we'RE NOT GONNA be as big as Uber. That's not our market. Our market is much smaller but that smaller market works well for us because we can dominate that market and we can show that we are the best. We are the best at taking you. Your pet. Just your pet However it is around town in a safe convenient and reliable way now everything you just heard is where things stood for a part in January before the corona virus took over our lives as you can imagine. The virus is hitting her business particularly hard. People in New York. City aren't traveling with their pets right now but APARNA moved quickly to make a change in business to keep drivers busy now. People use spot on without their furry friends yes spot on has become even more like uber because the pandemic but one thing they're doing that uber is most definitely not he's aparna is giving a hundred percent of the fair to the drivers and when I asked her how she could possibly afford to do that she said and I quote. This is a time for leaders to step up and do what we can to help. A few weeks of zero revenue will not put us out of business. A few weeks of zero pay for drivers will hurt them tremendously. The pitch is hosted by me. Josh muccio produced by Heather Rogers and Chris Mary. We're edited by Sarah. Arison t music by the Muse maker original compositions from brake master cylinder. Peter Leonard so widely and the Muse maker. We're mixed by Enoch Kim Lisa Muccio coordinated the recording of this pitch. And here's a quick disclaimer. No offer to invest is being made to order solicited from the listening audience on today's show. Thank you so much for listening. We'll be back with a brand new episode in two weeks on Wednesday. This is an embarrassing question but I desire to understand what's happening is stronger than my embarrassment. Every little thing is the podcast that answers your burning questions like the one caller Lisa. Add about a mysterious pain. She feels when she sees other people in pain. 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BGN Radio #18: Mid-Season Report Card

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BGN Radio #18: Mid-Season Report Card

"What if all you're breaking news alerts had a voice what would that sound like it would sound like today? Explain its daily news podcast from vox. I'm Sean Ramos grim every day my team, and I take one essential news story, politics, two movies sports science, and we break it down into twenty minute episodes. Perfect for your ride home subscribed today. Explain on apple podcasts or wherever you listen from Stitcher, and the vox media podcast network. Ladies and gentlemen. Can I please have your attention? I've just been handed an urgent at horrifying news story. All of you. Stop what you're doing. Listen. Hello, bleeding, green nation and welcome back to another edition of BGN radio. This episode number eighteen it may sound like a different voice. But this is John Stolnis from bleeding green nation dot com. You can follow me on Twitter at John Stolnis. You'll have to forgive me. I'm I'm battling something of a chest cold or something going on here. So I'm gonna Michael kissed the podcast a little bit here today gonna take down to the lower registers as Michael does. Maybe we need to use Michael St. music. Well, we'll leave that up to him. But we got a buy week special here for you myself and the brains behind the operation, the great b- LG Brandon league out in is joining me once again, be Eljay. Welcome to BGN radio episode eighteen how you doing man done. Thank you. First of all, I think we all need this by week because I've been sick. You clearly whatever you have going on Michael kissed has some kind of shoulder thing going on. We saw that. All man, the BGN crew is just like, you know, we're we're banged up to apparently. So. I think we need to use this by week to get better. That's what will do after this podcast will kind of have a nice weekend here to cut into relax hopefully in Watson football. And then I'll get or get already for the second half of the eagles season. I told him fight club was a bad idea may. He just does his own thing. Michael kiss likes to do his own thing. But no, we got a great. We got a great show lined up here for you. We're gonna get into where the injury stuff stands here with the eagles coming up in a little bit. We got the midseason report card. Now the eagles season is officially halfway done. We'll take a look at the schedules for the NFC east teams coming up here over the next all the teams except the giants. Because really, you know, who cares. And we'll give you our picks. We'll do a couple extra games this week because we don't have an eagles game to talk about. But obviously be LG. The main thing to talk about here to start off as you, and I have not had a chance to discuss the golden Tate trade, and I know Michael and band did a great job on the kissed and Solex show. Breaking it all down where Tate fits in on this year's team where he fits in as far as the future is concerned what it means for other wide receivers. But. And so they broke down some some really great Xs and os, make sure you check out those podcasts, but you know, for us. I think you know, we'll start off by asking the very simple question. A third rounder for golden Tate. Was it too much be Eljay? I don't think it's too much. The question right because there are. When you look at this move. I think it's easy to be like, okay? You gave up a third Rumbek, which is very valuable considering the eagles are going to be tight on cast face in the future for a player. Who I mean, he probably doesn't make the difference between the eagles winning the Super Bowl this year. I said probably I mean, there's a fancy does. But I just you know, you look where the team is at four and four I think they currently have a twenty one percent chance of making the playoffs per football, outsiders metrics. So it's not even awesome chance, you know, your foreign Ford Washington's five and two so they're in the division lead right now. So I mean the eagles, you know, they they have their work cut out for him in the second half of the schedules. Are that you can take the side of you know. It was too much to give up. But I think that's not my take on it. I think my take is when you are foreign for your at the by here, and you have this opportunity to make a run in front of you because you have five division games. You have games against the saints. And the Rams which are very big games. Obviously, I think and most importantly of all when you have a quarterback like Carson Wentz who is playing as well as he is. And look, you know, some some people are I feel like weirdly down on Carson Wentz. Like, that's crazy. That's a crazy. The fumbles. I get like that's that's a mild concern to me. It's not a major issue. I know he's had what like six loss in seven games here. I think that's a little bit. You know? I I don't think I look at that. And like all man that's going to sink the season. I think that's kinda something that's been in the shoe, but will work itself out. And like, I'll take those fumbles considering how good is passing numbers are. So the way Aaron Rodgers was a very big fumble earlier we are because both were play. Makers they they waited too long. They were trying to make plays in the pocket. Yeah. If you can be frustrated Harsono in Sunwing. But then like you also if that's the case you also have to look at those big plays. He makes when he's extending the play on holding onto the ball. And take those two. I mean, you know, used to take the good with the bad. So right. But the overall point they're just being I think he's playing at such a high level. And he's shown that that's not just a fluke. You know? This is something obviously did seventeen before he got hurt that you know, like he can get hot. And I think based around that this team can go on a run late in the season. I mean, we've seen plenty of things that should give you legitimate pause, especially, you know, the offense aligns banged up here, and you know, in Johnston tensely miss a month. You know, the secondary allows to any big plays like their issues here. I'm not I'm not trying to make you see there aren't. But I think the overall point is when you have a quarterback who can essentially be elite leading Carson Wentz can be. I think deals. Aren't allowed to delude themselves a little bit. Now. This ability different case, you know, if had Sam Bradford or someone or even the falls at this point in the season like starting for the rest of the year, then they're making this trade when it's like, okay. They clearly don't have a real chance to contend. So I think, you know, even that they they have a prayer at least of a chance to compete with Carson. And you have a you're getting a player who directly helps him which is how can that ever? Really be too much of a bad thing considering you know, he is the franchise. And what did we say we want? What has been one of? This team's biggest issues this year. We've been saying they don't make enough big place, and golden Tate isn't your traditional deep threat guy. That would have been great to get like if you know eagles could have gotten the Sean Jackson that would have been great. But clearly he wasn't available. So what what did the yet? Probably one of the next best things they could have in that regard. And a guy who makes big plays after the. Gets literally the best player in the NFL at that. Right production-wise. They think about that. They didn't get like a solid player. They got a guy who is elite in a certain category that was a big need. So when I look at it like that as long winded answer, I think it's a totally unacceptable trait. It's a little rich. I guess I would say for my taste. I if this is a two thousand nineteen fourth. I think it's kind of like a an amazing traded. Great trade. Perfect trade in the third round. It makes it sting a little bit of the fact that you could potentially get that common story pick back, you know, or not really back. But you know, you get something back on the it's not like pennies on the dollar. It's probably like two hoarders on the dollar. Maybe depending what kinda comp pick you get back in twenty twenty if he signs the team next year, and then just like in a very basic like fan level. It's just fun like it. It's the team's going to be more fun now. And I'm all for that. Like, here's the thing. Like, I know we're we're always gonna break down. On moves here from like, you know, quote, unquote, objective standpoint, you know, and. You know, we get into the analysis of it. But sometimes you just want to be a fan, and you wanna have fun and gonna take makes this team more fun. And we're all going to have to watch this team for eight more games. So anything that makes them more fun. Maybe yes, there's going to be a cost of the future. You know, take my time and enjoy it right now. You know, I gotta say it didn't occur to me until just now. But you know, I'm a baseball guy as well. As being an eagles guy. And I host the hidden season podcast for the good fight. And you know, we were talking a lot during the trade deadline in baseball. When the Phillies were buyers, and they were in first place when they were buying different players. And you know, some of these guys that they were buying. I didn't know if they were really gonna make the difference or anything, but it was fun. Just like you said, it was fun to be a buyer at the trade deadline, if you're eagles fan like you said, you you should be allowed to delude yourselves a little bit you are the defending world champions. And you still have a lot of talent on this roster. A third to me is a lot. I was really hoping that it would be nothing. More than a fourth because I'm not convinced that this team can match up with the Rams or the saints or even the even the Vikings at this point given the way the Vikings beat the eagles earlier this year, but they this team is going to get some guys back, which we're going to talk about here in just a few minutes as well. I I will note the difference between third and fourth rounders. And in recent eagles draft is is pretty eye opening. I was I was looking this up because I thought initially it would be a fourth in looking at the past fourth round picks of onta- Maddocks from latte from this year. Looks to be a pretty good pick. But I- Josh sweat in the fourth round last year. Mac Collins and Donell pump Frey fourth round. They had no fourth round pick in two thousand sixteen or fifteen and two thousand fourteen they drafted Jaylen Watkins in the fourth round the in nineteen in two thousand thirteen drafted Matt Barkley in the fourth round Brandon boykin was in the fourth round in two thousand twelve he was a decent defensive player. But you know, not a star. Alex Henry and Casey Matthews in the fourth round in two thousand eleven. So again, these are not big name players. But when you look in the third round, you see you see some some better talent Curtis Marsh. Okay. No, not in two thousand eleven. But Kerry, I'm sorry. Nick foles, obviously in two thousand twelve we weird one. They're weird one the judge. Yeah. That one is kind of weird to judge me. Benny Benny Logan the next year in two thousand thirteen was a productive player for a few years. Joshua was trashed two thousand fourteen we'll just move on past that. But Jordan Hicks in two thousand fifteen is a star is a Malo again and up and down guy. But he's providing some good Artor Iranian started for you right now in the third round in two thousand sixteen Russell Douglas in two thousand seventeen can't get on the field. But has looked okay. When he's been out there this year, you know, I mean, so again, I think there's a little bit more value. When you're talking about that third round pick obviously years around higher. But even in recent eagles drafts you've got nothing from that fourth round pick, basically. Whereas the third round you've you've got a Super Bowl winning quarterback out of it and all pro caliber linebacker and some. Pretty good pieces. Yes. That's the the the I think the the difference right there. If it just been a fourth, I think who kind of would have been a no brainer. But it wasn't. And I think how rose when he said it very bluntly. It was like it just the price is what it was at a certain guy in like it's like either were getting this guy. And we're not or we're not. So hey, did Amari Cooper, screw up the Asia f? Yeah, you're right. I mean for for the whole league, I mean, maybe I'm not gonna say like the Cowboys were actually secret geniuses here. But it's like, maybe maybe that was the unintended consequence of trainings. Like that's dumb. You still hurt them more than us? But yeah, I get what you're saying. And give up something so much that like all we're just going to screw the whole trade market by giving up way too much mean that's still stupid because he gave up way too much. But it it. I think it definitely did. I mean, 'cause I think it just for trades. It didn't even happen. Like, you know, you look at like the Patrick Pete. Persson whole thing. Like how could the cardinals possibly trade Patrick Peterson for anything less than a first at that point? If Amari Cooper is getting lately like so it kinda did throw things at a whack, and it'd probably raised it. But I mean, even still you look at that. Even you bring up Amari Cooper. I mean. Would you rather give up a first for Amari Cooper, who you know, is obviously under contract for the rest of this year. Then he has that fifth year option next year, although it's at a high cap number. So you're you're n he's only twenty four. So, you know, he's young and he is upside in theory, but also he's just not as good of a player as golden tail for immediate value. I mean, and look at the fact that eagles only the a third, and, you know, they're going to get a compensator, Tori, pick back that you that's another again part of the equation there where the Cowboys aren't because Hooper's on his fifth year option here. So right, right. Right. So and they're probably gonna try to I would imagine to sign him long term. You know? So I think you put it in perspective. Then you also look again at the the Damaris Thomas trade, which is a like a fourth and swap seven. So I believe and again, if if I'm the I'd rather have golden Tate for third. Yeah. Then Damaris contracts or Demetrios Thomas's muffle contract and the ability. He. He rings, which I don't even know what really it is at this point. When especially when you're like all Sean don't need that. So I'm I'm excited legitimately excited to watch golden Tate. I have a alliance fan friend. So I kind of probably a little bit more tuned into the lions than your average eagles fan when say expert on him. But you know, I have a little bit more of an eye on them because of that. So and I know he's made some big plays. And I love I love that. You know, he against the Cowboys this year earlier this season he had a big huge game against them. And the way he's I think he'll fans are really gonna love him. Just the might you might even only be these eight games, but just like the swagger he plays with you know, you again you look at that Cowboys game. He's like taunting Cowboys players as of the end zone. It's great. I if he does that here, and let me tell you. He will awesome. I saw him. This really looking forward to that. I think you know, you don't want to base your the whole. Entire trade around it. But when you look at the bonus factors like he's gonna be. I think a great addition for this locker room, that's a nice little bonus too. So very very impressive. His first press conference and everything I'm just I'm really looking forward to watch him play of the locker room was really important last year too. So it's great to get a guy who can add to the locker room as opposed to, you know, they'd gone out and gotten shady McCoy or somebody like that or, you know, even who knows it might not have been as good a fit. So I'm excited about it. And I I kind of wonder what this means for the the the snap count moving forward. I mean, this is a team that played a lot of two tight end sets here through the first half of the season. Do you think we're gonna see more three wide receiver sets now moving forward? Or is it going to be some combination of empty backfield to tight end three wide receiver? I mean, obviously this gives Doug Peterson. And this would move would not have been made if Doug Peterson. I don't think had an idea how he was going to be able to use Tate and coordination with all of his other players. But what do you think this means for player usage for the? For the second half of the season. What we know Doug Peterson does love his eleven personnel. The heat of the best teams things last year in running out of three wide receiver sets, you know, spread it out and then run. So that's certainly something. They might be a little bit more. Now with that. I think overall I mean, obviously, all Sean is going to be impacted. The big thing is Nelson Lee. How has Nelson Ag lors role going? Yeah. Hanes not only in distance of the playing time but usage like are we going to see him more outside? Maybe we should because he hasn't really done much at the line of scrimmage this year. You know in the eagles are trying to get to the ball to him there and make guys miss. He just hasn't been that kind of guy hasn't had that great of year. Meanwhile, when we've seen him get deeper down the field on some of these opportunities. I mean, we saw against the Jaguars you in this this past week and those great to see can ask you a little bit more effective in that way. So that'll be interesting. I mean, I it certainly pushes. Jordan Mathews down the depth chart after him having the the best game of his season in one of the better games in his career. Honestly, so far, and then it's interesting too because I don't know for sure and we'll touch on this little bit more. If Mike Wallace comes back, but then you have to consider how that plays into things too. But for now, I mean as simple as you're you're getting an offensive weapon, and I'm very confident in Doug Peterson since ability to incorporate him here, and it should be fun because just to end very important to in talking about you know, what are some of the biggest concerns with this team still going into the second half. Again, like lane Johnson could be out for a month apparently with this. What was being called against an MC L tear sprain? Whatever it is some kind of new. So that'll be concerning. The eagles protection in theory will be much be you know, a concern. So to have a guy. Who you can get the ball to out quick. And then have him make plays as opposed to. Okay. Let's you know, drop Carson back and have them hold onto the ball. And and hope someone can get open deep in. Now, you can you can still go with this quick passing offense and still hope to generate some big plays out of it. So I do think we're gonna see you traded for golden Tate. So you'd better use them a lot. We're going to see a lot of eleven I think we're just going to see I think anything's gonna see a lot of targets to because he should again traded firm. Get some use out of. Yeah. And I think that obviously that means maybe a little bit less Dallas Goddard, but certainly got Tate you wanna use them anymore. Only having for eight games. Because like you said he is a free agent at the end of the year. They do have Nelson Aguilar on that fifth year contract. But they could as you've heard Ben and Mike talk about on their podcast as well. They they could let Nelson go and design trying keep golden Tate. But you know, obviously, you're going to have to see how this all plays out here over the over the next few. Weeks weather or not Tate is a fit. I mean, it's it sure seems like he's going to be a fit. And I you know, we knew that the team where we at least we suspected after the win against the Jaguars on Sunday that Howie Roseman was going to make some kind of a move. It was just a matter of what he get himself a running back what he try and gets himself some help on the defensive line may be in the secondary or wide receiver. He went with wide receiver be Eljay. But no help was added at the running back position. So it looks like for the remainder of the year. We're going with Corey Clement who has underwhelmed here this year again playing with some injuries when Dell small would who is extremely limited in his effectiveness in his ability and Josh Adams. He's a guy who showed some ability last week against Jacksonville. But again is is unproven. So you know, it's it's a backfield that could have used some help. I guess the thinking here is we're just gonna pass all the time. And we're not really going to focus on the run game as much I I hope people. Remember how? How many big plays the running game ripped off last year? How many long runs Jay Ajayi had even even Lagarde blunt had some big running plays during the course of the season last year. Some of those big plays last year came from running backs running the ball out of the backfield clearly something's up there. And Corey is he's averaging one point zero yards per carry in his last twelve attempts as well rushing attempts in the last two games for for twelve yards. I mean, that's not very good. And it's not just the offensive line. Because when you look at the other players, like when they'll smaller isn't producing awesome. But he's at least three yards per carry. And he's had some important runs. Like he did to ice the game against the Jaguars on that second and nine way runs for ten yards. And that was just, you know, really good play by him to to fight do contact and get that first down and then again, Josh Adams undrafted rookie free agent. I mean, he's coming out and he's been the most efficient runner on this team has two games and as a small sample size any of that fumble. And he's kind of. Limited in his usage because it's not like you're going to put him out there and the defenses I go, man. Are they going to throw it a Josh Adams? I mean they did last week getting a six yard game. But you know, it's not going to be like the us is not like they're going to give Josh Adams like five targets in the passing game in a single game. So it's interesting because we had heard the eagles. You know, we're looking into running backs and not just Livia Mbale and the Shawn McCoy some names behind the scenes as well. So it's definitely a position they were looking into with Clement being disappointing. I mean, you have to all right. I mean, like, I don't I I hope he's hurt basically. Because if if this is who he is. And that's a big concern. And I'm holding a hope that you know, it's not the case. But it's just it's not really encouraging right now, I'm still not a big window Smallwood believer. I don't know how you can be these been fine. It's just like you're not gonna get anything special out of him just in my opinion. And again, he's only averaging like three yards per carry here in these. Two games. You're is just not and more than that. It's just again like the thing that gets me with him is you'll see these big holes open up for him at times. And he just turns twenty are gains until like five yard gains. It's just it's frustrating. You're not getting that big play with him. So why he's he's a fifth round pick for this guy. He's funny. He's not like I'm not saying he sucks, but like he's just he's fine. He is what he is. He is not a needle mover by any means and to count on him more than that the frustrates me. Like, he just he is what he is. Let's call it like it is and Josh Adams. I mean, I don't think you know. I think I kind of joke when I say he's running back one. But I mean, if he's going to produce like this get him some carries against the giants a couple of weeks ago. He didn't play at all. Let's not do that. If he's going to be productive get him in there. And let's see if he can continue to do that. I mean, the the biggest X factor. I guess years, obviously, you know, how does Darren sproles impacting. Is he going to get? I forgot all about exactly's and added. Since week one. I had kind of seen it floated out there. I don't remember who said this. But they were the kind of feel like they've been holding him out intentionally thinking like, hey, let's not rush him back. Let's legitimately get him back healthy. A let's not let's not force them to come back and work through this hamstring issue. And then he's you know, he's trying to play on a bad hamstring in these out for the year. Like, let's try to get it. Right. And hopefully, I guess he can potentially be ready after this by week. And that would be a big boost. I think to the backfield, I know John you, and I have talked about it. How people kinda like all the offense has better without him. I mean, not really not to me. I mean, I I don't see that's not the case. I'd rather him get some more touches than you know, give him to Corey Clement is not doing anything right now or or Wendell swallowed is still isn't super impressive. So if you get him back, you know, NF, he can I it doesn't even need to be like, you know, vintage Darren sproles he can just be like give you some some juicier in there. And we saw that against the falcons. In week one where one of the more I think underrated plays of the season lay in that game. When follows through the short of the sticks, and he made a couple of guys missed and got a key first down like that's all we need out of him. Yeah. Now absolately and hopefully this hamstring will get better. And now with the by week he's had two full, you know, another extra week to recover awfully this is just kind of what they were waiting for. But we'll wait and see how that all shakes out. Let's just talk about a couple of other teams here at the trade deadline. We saw the Redskins get an already good defense. They got another weapon. Ha ha Clinton Dix to play safety for them. Obviously the eagles were kind of sniffing around the secondary market. But the Redskins went out and ended up getting ha ha Clinton Dix was for a fourth or I think it was or. Yeah. Fourth-rounder for Clinton Dix. You know, it's kind of interesting. I have kind of the d the defense points wise has been doing a pretty good job this year. It's when they've been giving up points that has been the big. Problem for this team. And in sports, I know that you look at the you look at the final stats, and you say, well, the numbers are with the numbers are. But really how you go about accumulating stats are sometimes as important as the stats themselves. And so I was just thinking would you rather have strengthened your secondary, especially the safety position with a guy like ha ha Clinton Dix Frei fourth-rounder would that have been more beneficial to the team than improving with golden Tate at wide receiver for a third rounder? I'm not so sure I wouldn't have rather had Clinton Dix for a fourth rounder. But you know, it's probably six one half dozen in the other. It's definitely a trade that interests me if if the account given up before for ha ha now, Tom tough, let's be real are these I'll be real like I haven't seen how hot Clinton Dix play a ton this year. I can't do. But from what I can tell and they're kind of a disagreement here. I mean like. PF apparently has them as their second greatest safety. So that's good. I guess, but then you look at Packers beat writers. And they're like, no, he's actually been pretty bad this year, and you know, he's made some place. Yeah. But he's also blown assignments. And it's been really bad and some regard. So that's kind of interesting to see and we'll see how that goes. It's interesting because the eagles were interested in ha Clinton Dix back in two thousand fourteen the Marcus Smith draft he was one of those. I think it was six players that they wanted like it was how how Clinton Dix it was CJ Moseley. It was Kyle fuller. It was Oto Beckham junior. I forget a couple of the other names in there. But it was like a group of guys that they wanted at pick. I think what were they had like twenty one or twenty two that year, and then they were all gone. Ha specifically went picker to for the eagles got a chance to draft him. There like Brennan kooks was in there to the Packers had I think traded up for him. So use we're interested in back, then so I don't, you know, I don't know if that was chip because he was still around on that was Howie. So you would think you know, my point there is that you would think they might have made a move for him. If that was the case, and if they were still super high in them, and they knew they could get him for fourth. But I just think it really says I think it speaks for their confidence in Avantis Matic's. I think the coaching staff has clearly praised him time and time again, and it's not empty words. They they truly believe in him. And I think that's good and look Fonte Matic's made arguably, you know, one of the biggest plays of the season when he. Yeah. Tackled. Keelan coal did a great job of putting getting low getting putting his helmet on the ball enforcing that thing out. I mean that set up that was huge because that's the Dallas. Yeah. Another rookie from the two thousand eight Jeff last mcgavin each play. And that really like that the game was almost kind of like, you know, I wanna say it was one, but it was shifted right? There was huge. So I think they they really like him. And you know, they they have some issues and injuries in the secondary again as we'll get to here. But I'm not gonna like totally kick myself for that. But it is kind of it was a little frustrating to see that to be honest because it's like, okay, we get this. All right. We got going Tate. And then like, I'm in Washington got a little better too at the deadline, and they're obviously already had of the eagles in the standings. So that was a little bit annoying to see what kind of interesting how all four NFC east teams made a trade, you know, with the giants selling off ally, apple and Damon Harrison. And then you know, the Cowboys giving the first two still very dump amaze euchre and then heels making their move wash Washington making their move. So there's there's an NFC east arms race here. And obviously the giants a little bit different. Because they're in cellars moat yet. One team is Lou. Using arms. The other teams are trying to get some more weight on. Yeah, absolutely end. I want to talk about the Browns real quick at the a little bit later on in the podcast, but the Browns had an interesting week as well. But when we were just talking about the secondary little bit. Let's just talk about kind of where the eagles stand on the injury front because we're in the by week. We're not getting the practice. You know, who's who's been in practice who hasn't been in practice this week because the players have the week off. So we're not really getting regular updates on the status of certain players. But we did find out Jalen mills could be out for potentially. If you games with an injured ankle. And you know, it's I think assault tonight that he's walking around in a walking boot or something like that with a low. Yeah, I forget who tweeted that out of the series at the Sixers team. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Somebody tweeted out that they saw him in a walking boot kind of limping around. So who knows I mean that just could be, you know, Twitter reporters, but at the very least it certainly doesn't sound like mills is, you know. You know, ready to jump back into the fray who knows what it'll be like in time for the Cowboys game in a couple of weeks. But it's looking like they could be without Jalen mills for a little while which again, you're dealing with the secondary here where you're already trying to figure out how to deal with a bunch of injuries. You've got Sidney Jones who has missed the last couple of games. Do you know where to where things stand here with the secondary with mills and Sidney Jones and the rest of the puzzle they're trying to put together? Yeah. I mean, Ian Rapoport had said that Jill mills is considered week to week from what he heard in any way to take that with a grain of salt because injury reporting has kind of been in this reporting in general, and I'm not trying to pick on Ian here. I'm just like calling for what it is like some of it's just been wrong. So we'll see I think, you know, for hearing that specific designation week-to-week, you know, is vague. But he probably heard that, you know, like, we know the eagles coaching staff, especially Doug used likes to use that term. So I'm assuming he had heard that. From you know, eagles internal sources. And if that's the case that miss that means jail mills it's going to miss at least one game. Because that's usually what that week to week designation means that usually means multiple games. So if that's the case that means, I assume result Douglas will be starting on the outside. But you have to consider what Sidney Jones is able to come back right after the by which I don't know for sure we don't have a good indication on that. Because he was also described as week to week back when he first got hurt after the giants game. So Sidney Jones might not be ready. But if he is it'll be interesting because maybe it's him on the outside in base defense. And then you're shifting him into nickel as the flat corner. And then you gotta have result come into play the outside in those situations. So I'll be I'll be really interested to see what that configuration looks up. Our looks like because if you don't get Sydney twins back, then all of a sudden, you have Dexter McDougall who look. Looks like a guy who has signed off the street playing nickel. Is your slack Horner? You have a rookie safety, you know, who an amount Matic's who's playing out of position on the back end. Then universal Douglas your backup Cornerbacks starting on the outside. All of a sudden, so. Not the best potential configuration you could have their. So hopefully, the big thing is there if Sydney can come back, though, it'd be the be pretty important for that that lineup there. It sounds like, you know, mills will be back at some point doesn't sound like it season ending clearly it's week wing. But we shall see here. The the you'll certainly have more configuration and lineup things to work through their absolutely. And one name one name that we heard kinda get floated around this week by Howard Eskin when the team traded for Tate, they waived defensive tackle Bruce sector, which you know, if you're looking at the roster and they release it defensive tackle. He mentioned the fact that maybe we could be nearing a return from TIMMY Jernigan at some point this year. What are you thinking about? I mean, it didn't it kind of felt like Jernigan what turnings was basically kind of persona non grata for this year. And you know that. But now I starting to be a little bit of a a groundswell that maybe we might see him again here in two thousand eighteen I mean, it's pretty interesting that Howard Eskin would say there's a good chance. Psych an. Yeah. That's pretty strong. Yes wrong. It's not like, oh, maybe he'll be back. He did say it was a quote unquote possibility. So he kinda feel he heads the little at the end there. But I mean, that'd be huge Tim journey him back on this team. That'd be a pretty big deal. So I I sure hope it's true. But it's hard for me to count on it just because everything we've heard behind the scenes hasn't been very optimistic. I mean, he's been at practice not practicing, but he's been out there. So, you know, maybe that's a good sign. I don't know. It's very hard to tell all this Tim during in situations kind of been really big mystery. I mean, honestly, we don't even know how yet got hurt. This whole thing has been like a big kinda. And I've always said like e kinda almost have to treat it like like money in your pocket. Like, you know, don't expect it to be there. If you get great awesome. What a good surprise. But I just don't think you you'll be able to count on it. The only thing I can go back to the only time line. We got was when he first gotten hurt and Schefter had said, I think four to six months, and that was back around may. So we're nowhere nuts about six months right in November. Now, maybe we are approaching that point that would be huge. The only thing a little skeptical of here is that when you're on NF, I wake he is. You're eligible to start practicing in week seven as soon as we seven that doesn't mean you have to start practicing then, but you get this twenty one day window where a player can start practicing. And then at any point within that window, you can activate them. Or if the window expires you shut him down for the season. So that window hasn't started. You know, clearly 'cause Jernigan hasn't returned to practice. So it'd be kinda weird to me. If all the sudden like. All right. He's back right before the Cowboys game. Like, I don't I don't I just be very surprised if that was the case, but maybe potentially he returns to practice leading the Cowboys game, which then means he would have a couple of weeks to kind of get back in gear up and get into shape at little bit here before maybe returning later November. I think that's like to me. That's that is the realistic best outcome. But like if you could get him back Bahij because right now this roster this defensive line the only defensive tackles on the roster right now are Fletcher Cox. Hello de NADA who came back which is good to see the Jaguars and then Trayvon Hester. And then I'm sure they'll try to bring Bruce Hector back to the practice squad. Miss of Winston Craig on the practice squad. So they've guys down the line there. But you know, you lost Derek net than the way I think one of the under reported or things we're not really talking about doubts a lot coming out of that game is the ios didn't really move. Josh wet up the pecking order, he's still only played force defensive snaps. So what that means excuse me. I'm losing my voice to oh. My dad they just played everyone else. More like Chris long, Michael Bennet, Brandon Graham, they also more workloads, and that's concerning because they're older players. And this the straits of this defensive line in part is supposed to be they can rotate these guys and have them be fresh that wasn't the case against the Jaguars. They kind of just gave every all the vets more playing time if you can get TIMMY Jernigan in here, all of a sudden that kind of takes the burden off of you know, guys like, Michael Bennett and Brenna Graham having to play in the interior. So it would be an and just the fact that Jernigan assuming even he's the same player after this injury, which we don't know for sure. But if he can come back, and he could be a guy who pushes the pocket from the interior. I mean, that's that's awesome to have that to have him to have Fletcher Cox in their McRae's in creating problems for the other offense like that like that would be huge. Again, I'm not like I wouldn't say count on it. But the fact that there is some kind of some kind of optimism or it's being talked about, you know, I think it is fair to get like a little bit hopeful about it. Yeah. The fact that it's not that it's a non zero chance I think definitely leads one to be a little bit optimistic about it. But again, certainly nothing you can count on. And last thing on the injury front. We're coming up on the time. When the eagles off to make a decision on their guys who are on injured reserve whether or not to they can activate any two of those players and right now, it's looking like the first two they'll have make have to make a decision on his tight end Richard Rogers in a wide receiver Matt Collins on a little bit after that Mike Wallace. So basically two of those three guys the eagles could pull off because any player on. I are starting in week nine wouldn't be able to play again in the regular season with the addition of golden Tate, one would think that one of those wide receivers either Holland's. Or Mike Wallace might be in some trouble. Although I could also envision a scenario B L G wear if you're gonna play a lot more three wides. Maybe you don't need three tight ends. And so do you end up looking at which guy will work better for you on special teams and making your selection that way yet it's an interesting decision. So before we get even into like who they're gonna activate. As far as eligibility goes, MAC Collins, and Richard Rogers are going to be there. Eligible to come off. Like right now, like they've missed the eight games that have been required for them to come off the I R list. So if the eagles wanted to they could activate them leading up to this Cowboys game here a little bit of an interesting thing that I guess I forgot about was that these players can actually return to practice six weeks after so after six games. So we haven't seen that quite yet. But at the same time, if they do that you like if once they returned to practice that mean, do designated them to return, you can't an practices then like, they're not like, that's what you're making the decision of the point. So I think the eagles are kind of like holding off on here because I don't think they want to commit to early right? 'cause like what if God forbid, you know, a tight end suffers an injury. Then all of a sudden you're going to need to activate Richard Rodgers. But right may be you know, if it's everything's looking fine. They're and they're not looking as good. Receiver than you, activate McCollum. So I think they're kind of like holding on pretty much into the last possible moment they can to activate that. And I think that's a good. Yeah. That's fine. But so it's those two guys who are eligible to be activated this week. And we did hear Doug Peterson mentioned. I think he mentioned Richard Rodgers. I actually when he was asked about these players ready to return, and then he mentioned MAC, and then he he said Mike Wallace is a little bit further off. I don't know if that meant in terms of his actual injury recovery. Or also just the fact that he got hurt after those guys, but it was only like a week after he only got hurt in the week two game. Right. I think he's eligible to come back after week ten in the case. So that's still he's still a little bit away here, but he's should be eligible to practice now. Because he's missed six games. So we'll see he intentionally he could be back if he's healthy enough, which I don't know. But he could be in theory, if they want to designate him, and they've kind of talked about that coaching staff has been. And we've seen that reports to the team is kind of optimistic about Mike Wallace and even with getting Tate. I don't think that necessarily rules him out because like you still need that vertical guy and take you know, that guy and Mike Wallace's. So I think you can still kinda we'll see on that one. We don't know for sure. But the fact that it sounds like they're gonna get two of those three guys back for sure is still a good sign because even if it's not Wallace. And it's MAC Holland's. I mean, MAC has some deep playability and like you said he helps out in special teams. I mean, I know that's not like the most exciting thing. But it's true. So support it's a nice little bonus. So we'll see here. I still don't know for sure I don't really have a great sense right now. But I think those those three guys are clearly the options, I think after the bye here should have a better idea of where those things STAN I well, let's let's kind of move on. Now, we're midseason. Let's one of the fun things to always give a mid season report card, and we'll kind of will knock these out quickly here. B L. Jake's want to get to the NFC east schedules. Looking ahead kind. See maybe you as the easiest who has the rough schedule moving forward in the NFC east, and we'll give you some pics. I have a five games that I pulled out. So we'll we'll do that. But let's just let's just knock out some grades here for for the eagles here through the first half of the season. And I when we gotta talk about his Carson Wentz, you know. His accuracy is the best. It's ever been. He's on pace for thirty touchdowns at five interceptions this year. He missed the first couple of games of the season because of the injury, but has come back looking like the type of quarterback, we were hoping we would see, you know, you're kinda hoping last year wasn't a fluke to me. I I don't think I don't see any other great for Carson Wentz. That makes sense anything else other than I would say give him a b plus at this point. The only reason why he's not an eight territories. Because of the fumbles what do you think I would give him an a just because I get the fumbles and you look at those and that's frustrating. But you just look at it supporting cast, and the fact that he's also coming off in a C L injury. And for him to look as good as he does. Despite all that to me that. Oh, yeah. That's what bumps it up because I don't think that gets talked about enough. Like he like, we're we're comparing all these guys like Patrick Mahomes in Jared Goff and all these young quarterbacks. Like those guys are in great situations. They have a ton of offense gosh. And for Carson to be in the mix with those guys despite you know, some of the adversity he's had to deal with. And again, those guys aren't coming off ACL injuries either. So to me, it's an a out and say eight minus for Carson. But I was like, you know, what? No. Because Carson Wentz is the second quarterback in NFL history with at least thirty pass attempts and a passer rating of at least one hundred fifteen for consecutive games, and the other one is Peyton Manning in two thousand twelve so you look a lot of these numbers in the context that he's in. I think he's been very impressive. And I'm gonna give Carson in a all, right? Let's look at the running backs, obviously, we're not going to great each running back. Let's talk about the running back unit as a whole obviously injuries have decimated this unit. Jay Ajayi who was lost early in the season. And when he was healthy he was. Running. Well. But now you've likely said got the the triumphant of Josh Adams, Wendell Smallwood, and and Corey Clement who have really had a hard time getting the running game going. You know, this is not as talented a group as we had last year. But they haven't killed the team. But they also haven't really done a whole lot to help. I'm going to give the running backs to C. Plus. Yeah, I'm I think I'm gonna go to straight. I'm go see minus just because know court Clement has not been, you know, very good at all. While swallowed his these fine. He's he's definitely excelled relative expectations. But I mean there were so low on the we. Yeah. Right. Wouldn't even think he was going to make the team for sure I mean, he was battling for the fourth running back spot. So it's just not saying, much and dot Adams has shown some promise here. But it's too. It's really too small sample size for me to give a high grades based off of that. And then Darren sproles injury there and again that day John injury kind of just being disappointing on surly their faults. But overall just haven't been super. Impressed. So I'll say C minus. I'll let you start off on the wide receivers. All righty. So what do we have here? We have a wide receiver core. That was looking terrible at the beginning of the year here when you're playing Kamar can like almost the whole game injuries were tough there. But look all Shawn's come back. He's looked even better than last year, which has been great to see. Unfortunately, nothing Adler has not look very good. You can kind of question usage. Versus is him to me. That's more. What it is with him. Just to kind of interrupt you for a second. You know? I I see you know, they have been trying to use him to help out the running game or at least to provide deception for the running game with all of the jet sweeps that they're running with him. I mean, it I know it doesn't I know they're not actually running him every other play on a jet sweep. But it almost feels that way the amount that they're doing it. So I think that's part of it is he's just he's not going down. He's he's playing horizontal. Yeah. You know? And I don't think that's him at it's too much horizontal. You can't get into a flow that way, I think a little bit him. Just because when you look at how bad the numbers are gonna have to give some of it to the player. Oh, absolutely. And I I don't think he's been as loose of. Maybe I don't know. But I think that's true. But yeah, I think I think he can go on both sides. So you look at them. Jordan Mathews has come in here and been pretty good for what you probably like realistically would've expected. I don't you know, I still don't think he's this great player. But I think he relative expectation. He's performed pretty fine. Pretty well. Certainly better than like, you know, if you had kept Kamari can around. So that's good Shelton. Gibson has been a huge disappointment. The fact that this team needs big plays. And he can't even get on the field is like I mean, I don't even it's a point where you can't even fully blame the coaching staff because you have to feel like he is just not doing something. That's giving them the confidence to put him out there. So that's very disappointing. So overall, I look at this group, I probably say. Maybe C plus just because I really like what all Sean has done. And I feel good about that. But you know, if I'm adding the golden Tate trade, and I it's not it's not what we're doing here. 'cause we're doing report card of projecting the future. I mean, I'm willing to bump that up till like a B position getting Tate. I think that makes this difference. But for what we've seen now, I'm just gonna say C, plus. Yeah, I think that I think the future is definitely brighter for the rest of the season with the wide receiver core. But alshon Jeffery gets an a plus, obviously. So that will bring up the overall grade, but I'm gonna go with the C for the wide receivers for a lot of the reasons that you just mentioned right Biaggi offensive line offense of line. You know, been a tough year in terms of Jason Peters constantly in. Now. The lineup lane Johnson now is being up. You had a left guard who got Ben st- couple games into the season with wiz new ski out of the lineup and now back in but at times with Isaac Somali having to shift out to tackle Jason. Chelsea has been awesome. Arguably still the best center in the game. Despite the fact, he's clearly dealing with some kind of groin issue. Brandon Brooks has been solid as ever. Peter's isn't what it used to be. But I still think he is clearly a at least scenarios starter. I would say even though summit not feel that way lanes been relatively disappointing. Not a total disaster. I think you know, the strips asked to make it look a little worse than it's been. He was still playing in a very high level overall. And the fact that you know, he had that high high ankle sprain on the short week against the giants knee, and he tough that out. And he did it again on the panther's game. I gotta give him some credit for that. So overall, I guess I'm going to say b minus for that unit because it hasn't been great. But I don't think it's been downright terrible. And I think honestly after watching rewatching the Jags game a little bit. I I was talking to this about to kiss on the post game shows like it wasn't me too often to line feel like they were getting some good movement in that game. And they were against a tough Jaguars front in playing with guys out of position and the line shifting all around. So overall, not great, and maybe it's a little high. But also be minus. Yeah, I'll go a little lower. But I'll say C, plus I'm kind of in the same area as you are. I think we expect a little more from Jason Peters. Although maybe our expectations were a little bit too high for a guy who is getting much older, and obviously dealing with the injuries that an older player would have to deal with a man that guy's a warrior just gotten it out every week and same with lane Johnson who again dealing with a lot of injuries. But he. Hasn't performed quite as well. Lot of that is probably due to the injuries. And Jason Kelsey PF has him as the number one center in football so far this year. So yeah, I think they've done a good job in in the run game at times, but not all the time. It's just been inconsistent. So that's why I'm going plus with the offensive line and just has not been the unit that it was last year. Even though you return, basically the entire offensive line. I'll let's flip the script. Let's go over on the defensive side. And obviously one of the strengths of this team be l g the defensive line. What's what is what is your grade for this unit? It's tough Brandon Graham has been coming back working off that injury. He still is ranks high in the league in terms of pressures. But you're you know, we're not seeing that necessarily manifest in the form of sacks, which is always important Fletcher. Cox's been a beast in animal probably one of the best seasons. Arguably he's ever had. He's been awesome. That's great. You getting nothing else of the fence. Tackle position, which is a huge, you know, Mark against them in that regard. It's been a tough defensive line situation. You know, obviously, you're you've been missing Derek Barnett is out for the season. Now that kind of affects the rotation again brand Brennan Graham was late dirt, you know, to come back into the offseason here as he had that ankle surgery. Chris long of been relatively quiet. I think like not he has been not like he's terrible. Now, he sucks, but just like, you're not. But again, it's it's tough though because he has to play more now. So it's kind of just a tough situation. I think Michael Bennett has been really good. So I can't give this unit less than a C. Just because I think he's been so good and Fletcher Cox's been so good. But I guess I'm kind of just going, man. I guess I'm just going like be straight up be here. I don't think they've been the total difference makers that they need to be in. It's been tough for them. It's tough degrade them. Because I think quarterbacks are just getting the ball out so quick against them. And I think that kinda should be. A, you know, a notch in their favor there clearly effecting the other offenses by that token, so they should get some credit for that. But I guess we just haven't seen the dominating pressure. Like the dominating defensive line that we were used to seeing last year. And again, the fact that you're just getting literally nothing at defensive tackle had a Fletcher Cox's kind of disappointing. So maybe I'm being tough grader here. But I guess I'll just say be not I'm gonna go even tougher. I'm gonna say be mine is because I do think that we have seen especially in the fourth quarter in games. We've seen the pass rush disappear at times and at the worst time when you need pressure on the quarterback the most we've seen teams have way too much time to throw in the pocket. You know, we saw it in again ten against Tennessee. We saw it against Carolina is just at the defensive line has not been getting there as as consistently as they should late which is again part of the reason is getting the ball out quickly. As you mentioned the eagles playing softer coverage, and you know, making it easier. For quarterbacks to get the ball out. But also when you're using a rotation like the eagles have likey granite, the defensive tackle position does not have a whole lot there. So you're not rotating a lot of guys in their Fletcher. Cox's just having to play all the time. But in the fourth quarter. That's when your defensive line should be eating a lot more than it has been so going to just dig him just a little bit less. I'll start off with the linebackers here. And you know, I think we've seen from Jordan Hicks over the last three weeks. I think he's been much more active, but I will say to that I know teams play more nickel now than they ever have before the but the eagles just the linebacking core is invisible. A lot of weeks be Eljay. We talk a lot about the defensive line. And we talk a lot about the secondary. But we never say anything about the linebackers because because they do play in a lot of nickel. And I realized that, but I just you know, aside from the occasional Jordan Hicks play. There's just not a lot happening from the linebacker core. And we saw what a guy like Leuke can do how much he can disrupt the game in the eagles. Obviously don't have anything like Leuke Klay. That's just not. That's just not a position may never. Yeah. Right. Exactly. But the eagles have also never been a team. That's put a lot of emphasis on the linebacker position. They focus on the defensive line. And you know, on a set one on a secondary that you basically hope the defensive line is not having to force your secondary into doing a whole lot. So I'm gonna give the line backing blind back in chorus e plus here, just because I think they've been largely invisible here in two thousand eighteen what about you? I don't think that's necessarily the worst thing because it's not like, you know there. Oh, man. They just they can't cover anyone and we're seeing them yet burned over and over, and they would be much further from invisible in that sense. But I get what you're saying. I don't think they've been anything like super exciting to write home about Hicks that really big play in week six to you know, to force the interception early in the giants game truly set the tone for that one. So that you that was a big play. He was also pretty good week one too. I remember, you know, obviously sacking at Ryan. So he's had some moments. He had a couple of Saxon this past. Game. He also gave up that big play later in the game on it was like pick play kind of tough spot there. But I can't say they've been terrible. But I also can't say them in great. So I was thinking like B B minus C, plus like, I'm in that range with you. Okay. Secondary real quick legis. What do you say about the secondary? I mean as man that listen, this is a Di unit right now. I mean, just they don't have. They don't have the talent. I mean, that's clear. They don't have talent back there. I I don't know that the scheme has helped them out at a lot especially late in games, but I have zero confidence in the secondary. And a lot of it is injury related, but you know, they're not making they're not getting turnovers either be algae and some of that's luck. But some of it is they're just not making plays on the ball. They're not they're not getting their hands on the ball. They're not getting interceptions in the defensive line has been doing a good enough job. Or at least in the first three quarters of games to tell allow the secondary to kind of make some plays. But it's been an unimpressive unit. I gotta give the secondary de the I think I'll go deep plus just because you know, Dale knows how to get a against the coats like the secondary has had moments. I think round Darby overall on the whole is actually having a no k here. I think he's had some he has had some good moments as well Malcolm Jenkins was huge in that titans game. He was I mean if they won that game. I think that game would be like, wow, look how dominant like Malcolm Jenkins was it's kind of the same. They wasted his performance there because he was so clutch. And he was a big reason they were even in that game late. So there's been moments. I don't wanna say like it's just been like a disaster. And they've never looked good at all. And the fact that you're getting like competent play at Montana ISIS impressive, and Ronnie McLeod, and we got hurt what leak three. So it didn't play very much. But he was hoping you'd having a really good season. I thought using the cloud with such a killer. I mean that just really submarine everything. So I can't say like Kinko f for de minus. I'll go deep plus all right. That's fair. And let's real quick. Let's do Doug. And and Schwarzer we'll start off with Schwartz. What what is your grade for the eagles defensive coordinator hot? It's tough because it's such a nuance conversation to talk about this eagles defense because I mean, you know, pro football focus comes out, and it's like, oh, they're they're the fourth best defense. And it's like at doesn't. Feel right because you look at how they've given up some big leads here in these games. And you know, you can't be like, oh, yeah. This is definitely the fourth. This defense is great. They're awesome. But when you look at the context of the league, I mean, they're they're not a terrible defense in that sense. And even I think Devi away they're like sixteenth. So there, you know, middle of the pack. They're not not flat out bad defense. But I also don't think they're I don't think they're a top five unit. I don't think they're that. Good. I don't think they're an elite defense by any means. So it's tough. I just feel like overall the discussion on him gets a little too. It gets a little too harsh. I guess seeing is sometimes people all firearm. Now, like, I people realize that again like that defense for this clearly not easy to play in the NFL, especially like how the game has gone. And when you look at Jim Schwartz's past thing five seasons strictly as defensive coordinator not talking about as head coach to strictly as defensive coordinator says top seven unit all those five years. So like, how can you just be like, oh, this guy sucks? I know you get frustrated at the lack of blitzing or whatever. But like the results are there to to a large part. So I can't say he's been horrible at the same time. I don't think like how many games have we seen here were were Jim Schwartz is just totally out scheming the other offense. You know, like oh man now towards just has he's in their heads. You know, like, he he we haven't seen that. So I can't say he's been this master coach. I guess I feel like for him a C pluses fair. Yeah. I think that's fair to I I would say C, plus as Well, I I don't, you know, one of my criticisms of Jim Johnson back in the day was that they couldn't get pressure on a quarterback other than to you know, they blitzed too much. And so when teams would would be able to pick up their blitzes like going guy like they facing Peyton Manning when he'd see every blitz coming a mile away, the eagles defense would get torture. You've got the exact opposite. You've got a guy who won't plants only once they get pressure with the front four and a lot of times that burns him to Andries in the secondary of really hurt this team really hurt this defense, and it's affected. How Jim Johnson can scheme. I will say though that I don't know. I agree with you. I don't think he's been overly inventive in trying to figure out ways to be teams other than with the scheme. He's used his, oh, I think I'll go with you go with the c plus and real quick Doug Peterson head coach of your Philadelphia. Eagles four and four to the first half of the season. What's your grade for Doug? He's had a very interesting first half. I to be minus. I think it's offense hasn't been awesome. But is that really because of Doug? I don't think. So I don't think it's been just play calling year. I think it's I think playcalling especially in the Jaguars was actually looking better. And when you consider that the eagles got at least a thing that was three it was at least three chunks of thirty plus guard gains against the Jaguars defense that was allowing the fewest in the league. So very encouraging to see they're heading into the by. And the fact that you know, early in the season the eagles are working again without their top two running backs and Darren sproles JJ missing Mike Wallace, and all Sean, Jeffrey, and even mcallen's is out. So there without three of their top four wide. Receivers is obviously been some offensive line issues in here. You look at all those things you have a quarterback coming off in the ACL injury. There's there's certainly been moments where you've questioned would Doug is thinking the Tennessee came six out still where he is not he runs the ball late in the first half instead of taking the end zone. There's don't get me wrong. There's definitely been moments where. Doug hasn't been great here. But I think overall I still feel good about Doug. And I'm going to give him a b minus because I think it's kind of been a tough situation here. I still have a fairly good amount of confidence in him. Yeah. I'll go a little bit higher. I'll say a B for Doug. I I am. It is interesting. I think he hasn't been as aggressive as he was last year at certain times. But you know, again like you said personnel injuries. Play a big part of it. And I also think this offense has been forced to score on long fields all season long. The defense has not put them in positions to score easy. Quick touchdowns on short fields for much of the season two which happened a lot last year. And that's why the offense was able to do what it did. I I don't I don't know that they're scheming Nelson aga- lar- exactly the the best way. And obviously there is no way they were going to be able to maintain the third down conversion rate in the the red zone conversion rate they had last year. But it also has slipped a little bit more than I think I thought it would. So, but I think over. Doug has done a good job. And he I think he's you know, you look at some of that you look at Carson's numbers and alshon snappers in Zakar its's numbers. And you know, this is this is a unit that Ken scores points. And I think Doug has done an okay job there. As gave him a be as well. All right. Real quick. Let me just run down the NFC east schedules. Looking ahead here in the second half. The eagles will start off with the three and four Cowboys. Then they get the saints at six and one. Boy, that's that will be a tough one giants at one in seven after that. Then the Redskins at five and to the Cowboys at three and four the Rams, of course, undefeated right now at eight no they get a revitalised Texans team at five and three and then the Redskins at five and to be L G that's one two three four five of their final eight games against teams with a winning record. However, you compare that to Washington just one of their final eight games as against the team with a winning record. And that is the Texan who who they play in a couple of weeks. They have they get the Jaguars and the titans. Still end the buccaneers still in their schedule. And hey, listen, the eagles lost to the bucks in the titans. So we can't complain about schedules here. The the eagles blew their chances against those teams. And maybe Washington will do the same. And then finally looking at the Cowboys. They have the eagles. Falcons redskins. Saints eagles colts bucks and giants. So just two teams left on their schedule with a winning record the Redskins and the saints. Although hopefully by that time the eagles will of course, have a winning record as well. But definitely looking at that schedule. Washington seems to have the easiest road ahead. Although, you know, I'm not convinced Washington's gonna go, you know, what I am not convinced are gonna go six to five and three in the final eight. You know, I watched this team play almost every week beyond jacomb offense. Doesn't score the eagles offense. Not scoring. Washington's offense doesn't score here. They're not a juggernaut by any means amount. Alex Smith, again, he's he's he will raise their floor like we said going into this year. But he's he's also limits their ceiling like he's not he's not going to just turn into. MVP player down the stretch, right at least based on his career this far. It's not going to happen. And look this is not an easy straps at all for the here down here. But I mean five to say how many games they win out of these final eight year. I think I think they can win. I think they can win at least four the point here. Eight eight, but you know, they get Washington twice. So if you beat them twice that huge. Yeah. You might win. It hit the nine and seven might be enough. If you do that you have the head to head tiebreaker at that point. And that's that's big. So I I mean is very simple to say. But that's what it comes down to here. Like, you might even be able to lose these saints in Rams games. And that'll be fine. Like just take care of business in the division. And you know that Texans team comes in the town. I don't think they're what four or five game winning streak right now. Five game winning just like it's that's such a weird. They're not that good, man. They're they're they're playing better. But like that perplexes me there. This is not an I think they play a bad team this week. They could easily advanced six wins. So anyway in that game will be in Philly. So. A lot of worry there. Yeah. I think they can I think they can win five here. Maybe I think they I think this eagles team has the potential to sweep the division link. I know that's not Jimmy. But I think I just don't think anyone the east is that unbeatable. I the Washington game will be hardest to do that in clearly, but I think it's on the table. I don't think it's out of the question. Now, it's definitely on the table at this is not a strong division by any means. But and just another thing quickly. The good thing about where the eagles are. If you want to spend it this way is that if they make the playoffs they will have deserved it. And that's kind of cool. Yeah. It's not like they they can't back in the not gonna back into the playoffs. Like, if they do they make this thing they if because they're going to be playing well, and they will be a hot team. So that's something to look forward to going into the playoffs. It's not going to be like the playoffs all around. And like like it's even last year when they had a better record. It was like, oh man foles is not looking good. I don't know how I feel about this where. Wras like, you know, you go into this year if they're gonna make the playoffs summed it. Well, the goes through the so hot in the second half, and they're going into the postseason, and they're the team that no one wants to play. So you can kind of like that. Yep. You don't have to be the one seed necessarily getting that first round, by sure is nice. But you know, we've seen lots of teams win three playoff games to get to the Super Bowl. Real quick. Let's run down some NFL picks here to wrap things up. We'll start off with the two NFC east games because he had the giants on the by this week. Although, you know, really who cares about the giants point. But you've got Atlanta at Washington Washington is a one and a half point favorite against the falcons who do you like in that one, man? Be sucker and take it Lanta because I think the cold or the falcons are more desperate, you know, to stay alive in the in the NFC south. They're very tough with the saints in the in the Panthers ahead of them. But I just think they're going to be the more desperate team. They're coming off their bye. If I'm not mistaken. Maybe I am. I'm not sure this stuff up but feel like they played last week. But I'll I'll double check. Yes. So I just I think they they have what it takes on the road. I think they've been a little bit unlucky to start the season here. They did know. So they play they last played on Monday night football against the giants. So they didn't have their by. So that that's another thing working in the favor. They should be well rested here, and I just think we know Washington's one three in a row, I think they're kind of do for loss. Sierra leone. I don't think they're as good as that five and two record makes them seem to be. So I will take the points here. I will take the points as well. I agree with you for almost exact same reasons. I don't think Washington is as good as their record. I think they've been kind of doing it through mirrors a little bit here. So I definitely agree with you. I think the falcons coming off the bye goes into Washington. It's about Washington's overdue for a crippling home law. So I feel like this is going to be that loss. Dallas also plays at home. And this week. They host the titans Dallas is a five point favorite to maybe L J. You know, why is it that Tennessee played eagle so Tomba just lay down against everybody else. But Dallas has a five point favorite. Do we think that Dallas is backed? We think that Dallas might actually be decent now. Because I gotta tell you. I feel like Dallas can cover this. I would have to probably take the Cowboys in this one. I to me it's not even about that. I think the titans are just they're pretty garbage, man. And they got shut out only lost to this team throwing lost to this team. How any like they can't even score any points in a game. And you expect them to come in. And and you know, keep it within five years. So I mean, they do have a little bit of fight in them. But man spunky. Yeah. I just I don't see it. I think I think the Cowboys they're gonna win. Unfortunately, set up eagles and Cowboys both being four and four heading into that week. Ten eagles Cowboys skin. Oh, that's gonna be such a big matchup. Let's run down three three other games. Real quick. There's really good games on the schedule here on Sunday at the Steelers at the ravens ravens favored by three points. The ravens pretty good football team this year here. So far Bill G? Joe flacco seems to want to keep his job. And you know, you've got the Steelers who I think now resigned to moving on without Levy on bell for the entire season. Maybe that's the way it was anyway. But you know, I these Steelers ravens games are always really rough match ups. And I think this is game Steelers Ben Rothlisberger? They just don't play as well on the road. Tough to go into Baltimore and beat the ravens in this matchup. I I like the ravens too with the points. What do you think I will ring the bell? Because I feel like the ravens aren't going to sweep the Steelers bought. Comores been struggling a little bit lately. Joe flacco has kind of lost a little bit of his luster recently. Okay. Steelers kind of have their Mojo back to. So I'm gonna take the Steelers with the points. And that'd be great here. If the the ravens lose again because the ravens would be four and five at that point be tougher for them to make the playoffs. That's important with eagles owning their second round pick. We want the ravens to pretty much as they can here because and especially stay away from the playoffs because that helps that second round pick be better. And it's even more important now, I would say with the golden Tate trade and having that third round pick. So I'm hoping right here. I'm hoping the ravens loose. All right. Go steelers. You've got the Rams at the saints. What a game this is going to be later in the day. Rams are one point favorites at New Orleans. I feel like the Rams are due for a loss. Here this team. I don't they're not. I don't think they're going undefeated. This feels like a great spot for the Rams to lose their first game of the season. Biaggi? I'm gonna take the saints. I agree with you. The Rams are undefeated. But. They're not invulnerable like they've come close than some of these past for a month. Now, they played some them close games. They actually got very lucky that Herron Rogers didn't get the ball. Lastly, varied disaster. I mean, come on. What are you doing time? Montgomery take a knee have of the distracted him at a spite. It was like I now writer f that. I feel like Rogers was definitely the driving force behind that trade twos. At this. He's gone. You you mess with me you're out of here. So I like the saints home to and it's basically a pick on. But you know, they're getting a point. I mean. Yeah, I'll take visit tie. Who knows? Yeah. I think the saints are honestly, just you know, they could be the better team here. Yeah. So okay. Last one Packers at patriots patriots favored by six playing up in Foxborough. I really feel Jay like the Packers lost their chance to really make some noise last week. And I don't know that they'll have a whole lot left. I mean that was a tough game to lose that game against the Rams against an NFC opponent. Now, you gotta go into New England take on the AFC champions. I mean Rodgers versus Brady I think it's going to be a good game. But this feels like a game where the patriots pull away at pull away in the end. So I'll take the patriots and six points. Yeah. Man. It's a big line. It is you know, Rogers Rogers getting six points. It's. Tempting. Yeah. I mean Rodgers getting nine points last week was like crazy to me. This is right. This is that was an easy as walks to take the Packers. He's at least a heave it a one possession game. Like come on. Right. So I will take the patriots here. I agree. I just I don't think like I think it's gonna be tough like back to back weeks to to go into LA and to have that game. And then to to to dingo on the road again across the other side of the country up in Foxborough where you know, it's tough to play into let stadium typically for those row teams in those time spots against Hamburg, you know, Tom Brady extra juice or this game as Aaron riders. But like come on like Heenan Brady has to like cement his legacy as the best year Rogers come into town. He's going to be extra amped for this one. And I do think the patriots win. It's don't know outside a Rogers clearly the Packers just aren't very good. So that'll show itself. Here are it will be L G. We don't have an eagles game to look forward to on Sunday. Right. I think this is a game a week where we can all just relax a little bit. 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Back In Black 40 - Dissecting AC/DC's Masterpiece

Talk Is Jericho

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Back In Black 40 - Dissecting AC/DC's Masterpiece

"Talk. Ricco. Talk is Jericho. It is the of thunder and rock and roll, and it's all about the rock today celebrating forty years of possibly the greatest rock and roll record of all time ACDC's back and black. The album was originally released on July twenty fifth one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty years ago hard to believe it was produced by Mutt Lang and was the first feature new singer, Brian Johnson who joined after the death of Bon Scott, and since back blocks release sold over fifty million copies and is now the second best selling album of all time behind only Michael. Jackson's thriller. So in honor of its fortieth anniversary, assemble the biggest ACDC fans I know to talk about back in block I got. Ray Bully Ray. Debris Hall of Famer Anthrax Drummer Charlie. Anti and Fuzzy Guitar Player Rich Ward, we're doing the track by track. Sharing Trivia and stories. But he's DC Bon Scott, Brian Johnston, the recording process with Lang, and how we all discovered the album and the band. It's a tribute to ACDC's back in black coming out today and talks. Jericho. And coming up this Thursday at nine episode. Two of the Winnipeg irs Dave stood back and rival join me again on Youtube for another hilarious thirty minutes that we titled When Nature Calls You gotTa Watch it on my official Youtube Channel You'll find out. Out Why lots of great stories on including the time, I threw up over myself on a plane ride with Hulk. Hogan and Kevin Nash can want to hear that, and of course, we'll be with you live again. This. Saturday. For the Saturday special nine pm Eastern on facebook live and official Youtube. Channel. Bring. Your beverage of choice, your questions, your suggestions for the sing along. Come. Hang out with me live for the Saturday special nine pm Eastern on facebook live and on Youtube. Lots of stuff going on lots of Chris Jericho during the pandemic. I'm here to help you if you want me to forget of course of dynamite on Wednesday. meets. Avenue. Between let's go back and block the fortieth anniversary celebration with bully Ray Charlie and rich right now, talk is Jericho. Let's get into it here. We we all know everybody here, I. Kind of assembled in the biggest AC DC fans that I know tross section of musicians, wrestlers, and some of us are both and. It's amazing. Everybody that I've said that I'm doing a ACDC fortieth. Backing Black podcast. It's hard to believe that it's forty years old. But yet, it seems like it's been around for one hundred years. It's just that type of record. You talked about it being forty years old and to me the fact that stands the test of time is that whenever one of these songs come on either terrestrial radio on satellite radio? I feel like I'm hearing it for the first time and and I and I know it's not been listening to. To these songs for forty years, but it's just that ACDC groove and vibe that just catches you from the very first note that's played, and that's why to this day the this know the whole album is part of like my my top twenty five. I. Just keep playing and over yet, Charlie you mentioned that this is even higher. You said, this is top five for you back in black. Easily. It's like in my top five records of all time I mean I love a highway, the hell. that record to me. What Mutt Lang did AC DC was pretty much said. Okay This is the way. It's GonNa be now and they completely like change. I thought it was not not. They were writing songs that were just so clever yet heavy, but then what was to come after that back in black man, it just took them to another level. It's such an interesting time because. With the death of Bon Scott, you're in a position here where there's a band, it Kinda reminds me a lot of of with cliff Burton metallica. Or the REV in avenged sevenfold, we have a very integral member of the band passing away just as they're on the verge of making huge. But obviously, Bon Scott's wants to further because he's the voice of the band and to me, that's why it's such an interesting rock n roll story that they were able to become. So big as result of losing basically the most important part of the band at that point in time in the seventies, it was really interesting. I watched a couple of interviews with Tony Platt who was the engineer on the record. He also did Highwood L. with Mutt Lang and he he made of an interesting point which was that That Bond Scott's appeal was never going to be as big as Brian. Johnson's it was something about Brian Johnson's kind of working class and there was something about him that. They may have lost some of their punk rock sensibility and there was something about bond. Scott. That was that quintessential chaotic star, Brian Johnson, kind of brought them into the face and the voice. That could be what you hear on what you would kind of become the voice face of American radio rock of that era, which I thought was interesting because I never thought of it. I was always thinking. Bon, Scott was the was the man, but Brian Johnson's appeal was just more open to more people and I I don't know if that's true or not. But I thought it was at least an interesting point that he from his perspective. I can definitely see the point of view of Brian Johnson, having more mass appeal, and I was probably nine or ten when I heard back in black for the first time. So my introduction to ACDC was Brian Johnson and I loved him as a singer for ACDC. It's all I knew the first voice is heard, but once I got older and I discovered some of those bond songs while the the pull, those songs is incredible for me, I, I really love those bond songs and I. I mean, I mean Chris, we know from the wrestling in a point of view when somebody passes away, you know like you know like animal could not replace Hawke in the road. Warriors. So how do you replace you know Bon Scott in ACDC, almost sounds like an impossible task and there they go. Get Brian Johnson and pull off one of the biggest feats in the history of rock and roll with what is it still the number two best selling album of all time it is. Yeah. Thriller. Well, at that. That's insane to me. Just that Point Chore. Let me ask you this. Were you a ball? Fan Prior to back in block. So does it for you when you were a teenager I'm assuming when when you know one of your favorite bands, the singer dies and they get this new guy, all I knew was that Bon Scott died in Paris, you know what? I? mean. There wasn't a lot of information coming out about it. You know it was just like singer dies in Paris and then later on, you find out what happened and everything like that But the weird part about him passing away was six weeks later, Brian was in the band and didn't bond. mentioned. Brian to to the management of something, you're introduced them. It's funny how that whole thing worked out. It was almost like he knew and he was like setting it up. Like I'M GONNA go. But here's the guy. That's GonNa take it to the next to the next level for you, and then what five months later that record was out is funny because we're all smiling because I don't know if it was in like cream magazine or Circus magazine back in the day, they had the cartoon and the cartoon was bond went to a a a working man's club where there was some band on stage and this guy on the ground, just screaming and screaming and Brian. Johnston, and his band just screaming on the ground on his back, and then he found out that he was his appendix had burst. Exactly why I was laughing. So. 'cause Brian tells the story about what bought saw. Many said that Vaughan's initial reaction to him was probably not an honest would because he thought he was putting on a total iggy pop performance is he was lying on the ground agonizing in pain and. Bay. Stretchered him out into the the added the GIG and thought that was amazing. PUNK rock theatrics. He really sick. and member correct wasn't in the name of the bearing Jordi. Yeah. It's funny because they actually did A. Version of a house of the rising sun, and I remember hearing it on the radio once, and I could never find ACDC's cover of house of the rising sun, and it took me years to figure out. That was an AC DC song. It was a Geordie Song with with Brian. Singing we they something, Charlie. was just laughing at the whole thing. But like I said, I think it was Maybe bond saw that St- and was just kind of saying. This is the guy for you guys but. The one thing that always struck me was that. for the most part I. Think ACDC fans accepted Brian, Johnston, I mean, I know a lot of people who still to this day won't listen to anything past. And I never understood that it's like look. It's not this guy's fault that this happened, you know I think he's a perfect perfect replacement that Bam you know I agree with you on that and to this day used to go and I get it to an extent. If somebody's still alive, you know never know never accepting Bruce Culic and kissed because as freely should be the guy or whatever. It may be. Tommy. Theater. But in this case, the guy died, you know it's like getting mad at newstead cliff died or getting mad at Jackie. League is Randy's dead. It's like either they get somebody and continue on or the band is done and that. is terrible for everybody. Another thing I want to ask you guys. It's a lot like I was going to mention this earlier to. It's a lot like, David, Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar in that. They're both unbelievable singers. But two completely different ways. I find the same thing with bond and Brian to separate singers and ACDC instead of getting somebody that sounded a lot like like bond. They went for something completely different, still the same. But much more of a powerful singer than bonds, Scott was. You're right bottles, a character to right I mean, and again I guess Brian had a little bit of that where he had the kind of Cap Gimmick that he kind of adopted. I guess on few months after you've been in the band, but it's like you said, you couldn't replace. You can't replace David Lee. Roth? You can't replace Bond Scott and I go back to what you said I. Think one of the cool things was the guys I think the the young brothers at some point. Point. It said that bonds dad approached the guys at the funeral said you gotta continue on and then you get the blessing from the family and there's this sense of we're on the cusp of something. Great else. I. Saw that was it was interesting. Was that highway to hell wasn't a commercial success right after back in black came out, and then it was kind of discouraged that once back and blocked became this massive record started to pull all the old kind of back catalogue with which is Great. It not to say that bond's achievements were worldwide. or known worldwide, but it was kind of cool how his back catalogue of those lesser known records, kind of like what Bruce Dickinson did for that I iron maiden record once made into became a huge ban. All of a sudden people start date can discover the back catalogue of the stuff that wasn't hit the first time around which school. You know when you look at ACDC now, the four of us, probably all older, forty, fifty, whatever. Look at a CD from its inception until until right now, and you hear all that bond stuff, you almost eighty yourself. How is this guy? Even replaceable like his his swagger, his sound, his voice, what he brought to the table by giving ACDC, that edge in that gritty dirty, sexy feel. It's like sometimes I say to myself. Wow. How were they able to replace them? But in my mind they made never replaced him. Somehow they found a I, don't want to say better version, but a version that could take them to the next level which if we were if we were in our twenties when bond passed the way, we would probably all be like, no way. This band can't. Can't carry on because we were. So yeah, you know. So into bond as a lead singer. So when you sit back now and you look at it to see what they were able to do. So would they have been able to do with that with Brian from day one and would they have been able to do that with Bond Fund was still around? I don't think. So but you know one thing, one thing that I think rich shed, which something that I, remembered when they put out back and black I, don't think the record company in the US was ready for that to explode the way it did, and if you remember, they put out dirty deeds after that. Goes because. There was nothing it had nothing and I think that confused a lot of people because it's a totally different singer. So they put this record alcohol dirty deeds, which is just old stuff. Basically the first and second record like combined. With different things and I think that was really confusing for a lot of people because they weren't going to get a new ACDC record for a while after that. And she had to your point, I saw that like it took a long time for the chart position to catch up. So back in black, like you said, I don't think it was an electro said who put that out or Orlando Atlantic dramatic Atlantic. had their expectations kind of based on what highway the hell had done and and it just took a while. We all know in this business like when when, when the sometimes the wave is ahead of the apparatus trying to catch up with it back in black number one right it, but it took a while, is that correct? I don't know if it went number one but. Never four, I. Think it came out like people really into it right off the bat, just kind of scanning here. But one thing kind of to back up what would bubble is San is that there's a great book. If you guys haven't read it or people listening is called the last highway, it's the book about Bond, Scott. In the guy's name is Jesse. Think that Moore I had him on talk is Jericho a few years ago, and he said that ACDC was not a success. With highway to hell it wasn't it was not. You know the story that we've led to believe they were poised on the brink, but they really weren't, and when bond died, he had thirty three thousand dollars in the bank. Like he was not privy to the success of. And it's one of those stories that you hear. That Randy was about ready to quit and go play classical music or that you know James and cliff for ready to fire Lars, and all these legendary things that the band was already discussing getting rid of bond because the record company didn't think he'd make it to the next level. But more importantly, he was starting to cup his Gig by being messed up all the time, and if there's anything we know about. Steve. Harrison. Iron. Iron, maiden and the young brothers, Malcolm Angus Casey. DC's they don't the band comes first personal feelings and problems aside. So it seems like that could be a possibility that they were ready to get rid of him. I don't know if that's exactly true with the fact that able to find Brian and like Charlie said put back and blackout basically five months. Later, I, mean nowadays, you have to submit the album mark five months. And the Masters to seven. Buddy. In a weird way like with with them being able to release an album only five months after. Bonds death, it kind of gives me hope that if we ever get one last ACDC album, it's going to be like epic because it seems like you know Angus was able to do his best work despite the fact is lead singer pass away, and now his brother passing away just might have him that you know that inspiration to write that one last great ACDC album that I think every single one of us would love. Okay. So there's there's moments of the ACDC years that I love. I love those about to Rock I. Love I I. Didn't I wasn't crazy about fly on the wall is at that one. But the last two that they put out I thought were great. You'll really out rocker bust at block sue, but they both got some great stuff on it for sure. Now. But but you bob bully said that back you block went to number four. You. Nailed it number four. It did go to number one in Canada which wants. Canadians are much smarter than Americans. Number. One of the. I, got. What number one in the UK and I look what what it looked up. It said it was on the charts for hundred thirty one week straight. So wow. Yeah. But just thinking about you think about the cover of the record I, mean we laugh about it now because of spinal tap and then obviously the black album probably the most famous heavy metal. But but back and blacks the first of this and I wonder what the record company I thought when they said here's the cover. It's none more black. was rejected. They said they were going. With the rubber, stuck to it. Yeah. I saw do an interview about it in basically they said it was basically a wake and all the awake for bonds life. That's and they wanted it to be black like the arm black the Latins Armband in the record company said, no, they're like, no, we're sticking with it. So you know, I wanna ask you guys a question because I find essentially you guys being in your business. I'm I'm the fan here. So this is this is really cool for me. Chris you talked about how Steve Harris and the young brothers ran such a tight ship and how ADC is well oiled machine. What does it say about ACDC an out, angus young if you can get axel to be onstage every on time every night. I mean you guys would know better. Shows I think the fact and that's another thing that Charlie was saying before about how people were complaining that Brian Johnson was in the band. It's the same people that are complaining that axel roses in the band. Does it take a step back? Guys, what are you complaining about? This is like if Paul McCartney joined the rolling stones like the to put James Hatfield on Rhythm Guitar and you've got the ultimate rock. Rock and roll band Charlie been on drums. I. Mean What more do you guys want, and so by putting axel in that position a, he sang it great. He had so much power brought back some of those songs like problem child that they haven't done in years and he showed up on time and stood in the back, and that was the thing that I noticed was that what he's saying he'd stand. Parallel with Angus never crossed in front of Angus, and then once he was done, would go back to his little table back by worse. TV was cliff in the in the back line and I do your boy I think dead on. I think no matter how famous somebody is. There's always somebody who is the true Yoda that you know at that point? You you bow. Bow Down to I think I think the legacy of AC DC in having angus up there really demanded. If you're gonNA take that had so much reverence and so much responsibility that came along with you just didn't WanNa, screw it up, not not for your own reputation or or not for h`angus. But for the institutions, let's light. It's like it's like subbing for the pope. You're hanging at six months A. You better be on time on. Sunday. The thebault too is that you know I love the fact that people always say like ACDC. This bans got this gimmick and that just give you know. You just put on jeans t-shirt and I'm like bullshit AC. DC has the biggest gimmick of all time. Angus Young. I mean, come on. Right. That's as big as is kissed with their makeup in Nineteen, seventy seven as far as I'm concerned gimmick like that I. Think it says a lot about the band that they were all smart enough to stand in the back. Because if you had five guys doing with Angus was doing, it would never work with the magnet an entire. You know rhythm section holding down for him and Bon Scott or him. You Know Brian Johnson obviously to go out, there was the perfect balance and in Chris Oh, right? Because schoolboy outfit running all over the place I. Mean, he could have been a cruiserweight you know. W. The thing. I just WanNa I, just WANNA. Throw you mentioning before about Axel? Being ACC. I was talking to rod smallwood years ago and. Picking his brain a bit. We went out for lunch and we were in Place, Brighton, down by, the by the budget. Do you the concord ever played the Concorde to Charlie and Brighton. Oh. Yeah. By the rocks, so he came in sauce and. I was just picking his brain like. Someone. Iron, maiden, how big day I said, well, WHO's bigger than? You are all springsteen or? U2 or Metallica in some countries, other countries we kill them, but he said, I lay awake at night trying to figure out a way to get bigger than ACDC, and that was like there you go. Right there. Rod Smallwood saying it. Did you ever see a? With Bond Charlie. None of us. What was the first year that you saw the band? I saw a nineteen eighty one at the palladium DEF Leppard, I believe opened up. ACDC, was it from me at that point I, I learned how to play every Song Guitar is when I was really learning how to play guitar and I played every one of those songs because they they were. They were infectious. You couldn't help but trying to figure out hells, bells and back in black. One thing about back in black to this day, it still gives me goose pumps when it comes on, I have to stop whatever. I'm doing just listened to it. Okay, good. Let's go. You know what I mean. It's just has that thing about it and it's just that funk. It's crazy. You say that like the first two records, I ever learned to play guitar to were highway to l., and back in black, they were like the templates for the ABC's, and if you listen to almost every files riff completely ripped them off in that. Their. Patterns of four over three as my template on everything like they're the only ban that the drums are constantly on foreign and Angus and Malcolm were constantly on threes grooving those upbeats and it was. That's what that's where that stadium head bounce camp because people always say you know the drummer is kind of responsible for that big pockets, but it was their relationship between the four on the floor, and then you know, and then obviously cliff during those courses where he would just kind of do the drone open note while the cords changes. But if you always think about like shoot to thrill. But God. Dot Dat three one-two-three one-two-three one-two-three. Every guitar it like let's go down. What did you for money honeys but down. It's all three. It's all guitar in three in droves on four, but the drums were always hit on the downbeat of that the guitar. And that's where that little kind of pick up where you every time, you see your the basketball game in back in black comes on Bayada. Guitars threes and everybody the hopeless aerodrome begging. How many bands can do that like in any environment and the one thing that? I remember back in the day. People like all that. So easy to play. It's like No, it isn't it. You try and play an AC DC song that you won't get. It started with Phil Rudd and his UH. Unmatched drumming style and he CDC because they know what a fan you are Charlie we all are and we'll do that. But I WANNA share message from my friends at I. Hate Stephen, Singer Dot com, I know you guys know. Stephen. Singer's famous gold-dipped roses. But did you know that America's most hated jeweler as action selling diamonds and bridal jewelry for four decades so whether you have someone or something to celebrate Stephen, Singer is there for you. He's got the perfect piece of jewelry to say I. 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What he was playing was he was so locked in with cliff and that's the one thing I. loved about those two did the brothers replaying their thing like rich said? They're on their threes. You know we but cliff and Phil Man they were locked in and we did a cover. ACDC. Saw One time with DC Snyder. Dude that was tough, which was A. what song was. Walk although Wachovia that's log. So amazing. Yeah. And Oh, my God, you know it's like you know I, I could play fast stuff poker beads. But when you're just relentless playing that, Song, dude it's you can't like tire. You're you gotta be up the whole time you know and it was It was very intense. So when I went to see them on the black ice tour I, went on stage and everything and sat behind cliffs Kit. It was it wasn't. It wasn't fills quickly and it wasn't anything great. It was an old kit node sonar kit. The heads needed to be changed and I'm like this is it. This is real right here. What I'm seeing. You know we've the heads on a sound good. I. Think to Kinda saying to you and Bubba in relationship. I Bet Ramos Stereo Steve's hogen dropped the leg. The big boot instill POPs because the artistry of simplicity. You know what I mean. There's something about like the master inveigh Still Watch Angus and Malcolm, and still loves it if the same way that I can't play like England. But anytime, you see someone master something. So specific and something. So brilliant and so a, and it's such a signature like that's the one thing about a C. D. C.. C. Right. You never mistake them for now, there's a couple of bands that come out in the last ten years who kind of have that sound. But still you know the real for MEMOREX ACDC has it's such a definitive thumbprint and I think there's something that all of us whether it's slayer anthrax or with is easy. Top racy DC somebody that has such a definitive sound. That's you know that's kind of defined in entira genre. Everyone in everyone the business looks up to them. What do you think? Chris it was interesting listening to you Ash Charlie about the simplicity of the planning and why he appreciates it. So much as opposed to you know the going crazy and Phil Rudd, you know he keeps it simple. You know what? It's like to grab a headlock in the middle of rain, which to modern day wrestling fan can seem so boring. But if you worked at headlock the right way, you're gonNA get more reaction than wrestlers who out there, and do you know four fifties in supermarkets and everything like that, and I think Phil Rudd is is a perfect example of somebody who could keep it simple and so exciting. But I wanted to ask Charlie like what always amazed me was Phil. Rudd's ability to hold that beat for like fourteen minutes when they played. Let there be s to live yet. I how difficult is that to do? That's what I was saying. You have to hold it down. You can't Oh my God. You can't weaken or anything. You have to keep that level up all the time, and it's just like watch- watching dude back in the old days just ten. At flawless, and that's why I said man people don't think Phil Road. Good Drummer you're wrong. He one of the best, and that's my point to keep it simple. But there's nothing simple about that I challenge anybody that just like this one, two, three, four, and hit the Beethoven chat to to do that for fifteen minutes straight, and here's the cool thing about it obviously filled. Did it for years, but I don't know feel I do know Chris, Slade, who said? They did a bunch of those shows like ninety one with Pandora and metallic, in Russian, front like five, hundred, thousand people or whatever and Lars and Tommy Lee's stand on the side of the stage and bet each other how long until Chris made a mistake on the left of Iraq on I guess whatever it was a fourteenth on this on the. Job to the. Asked. The only time we made a mistake he he would not a mistake, but to make it easier instead of hitting eight, he would hit seven and keep one up just a little bit of A. And you're talking about that also with banana. Nanna now do that for forty minutes, Guitar Player, and then the whole thing. ACDC. Is the greatest rock and roll band of all time. Because There are well oiled machine because of the young brothers and now because of Angus and whoever he chooses to play with them, but it's not open auditions. It's Steve Young. He's in the family. It's Chris Lake because they played with them before, and that's the way it is. You're not gonNA get Dave grohl coming in and plan for the for as much as people wanna see that one more thing about Phil Rudd. The other thing about him that I love is the restraint. He most drummers would want to do a fill. No, he's just keeping going keeping going, which is to me is like one of the greatest things because like I said most dramas would wanna do a phil and stuff like that. But still just keeps his straight. Sorry, he's not. He's. Road. I was GONNA. Say that I think part of fills magic is well from my estimation is to is that we all know is as. Musicians, we always talk in terms of the note, but it is obviously, it's the space between the noteworthy pocket happens and fills his ability to kind of create that space, and he knows that Malcolm swings everything. So as those guys swinging things in thirds, it's like it's that relationship of how those guys play together and it's like a basketball team of them. Kind of. Of knowing each other so well that they know how to play with each other in in they become one organism and I think it's that kind of feels ability because he's not spending all that time showing you his vocabulary, he knows his job and his job is that space and creating that pocket for those brothers a team. We all know this we always. So. Easy to get caught up in. The Greatest Guitar Player of all time. Look at him. He's amazing. But Paul Gilbert in the right band is it could be the greatest band or Paul Gilbert, it abandoned the play. Well, it could be the worst band of all Time Eagle with the greatest guitar player and I. Think. That's the thing that we all we all get whether it's wrestling rock and roll. Right. But the thing is too. You know those guys rhythm and Blues. If you look back to like the James Brown ban, those guys really never took. Took Phil until James told him to take a right. Right. So it's like they would just kind of play play watch James Watch games I think that's what those guys do. They watch you know and Malcolm is just popping up and down just feeling like there's a pulse to ACDC that I think if you're not nee CDC you don't get it. Let's. Let's talk about the album will go into a little bit of a deep dive here. We'll talk about some of the songs and that sort of thing. So. In Black, which by the way you guys were correct. The top five selling records of all time. Anybody cared guess what number five is? Is it rumors? No, it is Whitney Houston, the bodyguard soundtrack. Wow. That's my number one and. Number four dark side of the moon. Three is. You'll never guess number three either and. Or you know what's up there know what I had him on. Talk is Jericho he told me come on. Your your buddies father-in-law, Meatloaf, Bat, Outta, hell, the third highest last record of all time. Good for him. Yeah, and then of course, you got back and blocked at fifty million, and then you've got Michael at sixty, six million, which will never be touched. So I'd I'd say that's a pretty good track record to be number two. I thought, I thought the eagles greatest hits scores in the top five. Yeah. I thought. So also eagles number six at forty, two, million and then rounding it out is BG, Saturday's fever, fleetwood macrumors, and Shania Twain come on over. That's that's according to wikipedia which, of course. But must. To. Wrestling fans. and. Got The bank Nyah Twain. So nothing wrong with that July twenty, fifth one, thousand, nine, hundred. So next week is is the fortieth anniversary. It was recorded in compass point studios, which all of us. Hey. Charlie, you recorded a point studios Yep. I was there was talked about ACDC with the people well I. Mean, that's a famous one because the police record, their iron maiden recorded their you to you to. Record you guys do their? Living. Wow living. So what did you? So how was it being in that? In that studio? We're back in black was recorded. Funny Story About a week we flew into compass point we got set up in like these condos and everything and right next door was Robert Palmer he lived there. and. We would. We would see Robert Palmer every day taking his boat out and waved and everything. But funny story that first night we got there. There's this bar down the street little little kind of dive bar take. It was called sugar sugar sugar shacks, something like that. But anyway. You to just finishing mixing there and Bono and the edge where at this bar. Just a funny story, just coincidentally his U2 finishing the finishing the Joshua tree as we were going into start that. Zip across passes them not no, not then no. Later on we did and we told them that story and and Bano looks to edge out was the Bahamas. But New York's. It's still it's still my favorites. Favorite stories when Adrian. Smith Paul McCartney is like. An. Iron Maiden the OH. You're the you're the guys with the monster. So. Saying, Oh you, New York street thugs. So. Let's look at this record. Well before we get it, I want to do a little bit of a track by track before we get into it I, mean, what's the first time you remember anything about this record hearing about it, seeing it. Charlie might be you because you probably maybe bought it in the stores. When it came out I, don't know I. Did I got it? I. Didn't get it when I came out I got it like in the fall like a few weeks after because back then I didn't have any money So it's like mom please get this record anyway I don't remember just putting it on and just being totally taken away every song on that record to me was amazing. It wasn't a bad song on that record by only complain about back in black is that the record should've started off with back black interesting. That's right. It does not. It's not. My first memory of it I went to. My Mom's side of the family's Ukrainian. So we went to Ukrainian campus Cap Chaban with my cousins Chad and todd, and you learn how to like. Ukrainian dance Russia and like make little. Crafts and arts and stuff, but it was right in the middle of I think it was eighty one pros, eighty two because A. Number of the beast was out. So we were really freaked out because Ukrainian Catholic are very much like Catholic like don't touch. You're you're going to go to hell sort of thing and everybody when the when the council's went to bed, the council's teenagers would replan number of the beast and I remember that scared the Shit and the other one that scared the shit. It was els, bells I remember because of the bell and. And the rain coming down I literally with my cousin childlike, this is too scary for me like just the sound effect in the middle of the forest was freaking me out and then it comes in. So literally the first, my first impression of ACDC was I was scared of them. 'cause they're singing about, hell. This is in sales for as long as we've known each other I. Don't think we've ever talked about this. Same. Experience. So my cousin Joe is a huge ACDC fan and I think that probably ten years old I borrowed the cassette from him and I remember being at my home in my family's kitchen and my mom died must have been outside or something, and I was babysitting my sister who is in her crib and I put the cassette on and I remember hearing the gongs of the bell for the first time and being terrified. I, remember my. Inner. Like, just laying there and I'm like looking around. So if I see my parents outside of this, I was. Scared. From here in that bell and every time I hear that bell I brought back to that spot in my family's kitchen watching my sister I, it really was gelling. Scare. The hell out of. Rich Yeah I. Mean I think Hell's bells has the most of evil lyric of any record and that includes. In King Diamond and decide. which is if God's on the left than I'm sticking to the right, right, it's like. I. I'm just so heavy because it's like you know a lot of the other stuff was kind of imagery and spooky. But this was like this was none of this. This was just no nonsense if God's on the left that sticking to the ride and I just and they didn't look evil like I remember the first time I saw you know kiss alive to, and I thought this band is so evil in the heard the record it was like this is not as nearly as evil and. And then you see the CDC, they seem like guys like you know like hang out with your dad at the motorcycle shop, and then you hear the record in its, they come across like you guys said, Hell's bells is a very dark, and as the guy said, he was it was there kind of sendoff to Bonn? Which is I? Think they captured that you know what? Let's talk more about it work though? Well, here's the thing because they say that that the there's no bonds. This is where the. Legend, goes different ways. One is that they use no bond Scott lyrics because they thought it would be. You know taking advantage of the dead. And there's other people that say there was a book with lyrics in it I don't care what anyone says if God still left them sticking on the right, that's Bon Scott, it'll rock and roll is noise pollution come on who would come up with that other, the Bon Scott. I mean it seems pretty obvious. They have admitted wrote down here that have a drink on had already been demoted with Bonn on drums and I read that yet, what do for money honey had been a leftover track from the power age album? So we know that some of this material had existed those the two songs. Songs that they acknowledge were previous tracks. They brought forward. Kind of like Van Halen does had previous jams bought full or he's the woman or whatever. That's right. But so we just don't know how much of it was fully realized or or they were just like little. You know ideas in a notebook that they wrote down on tour and I don't think anyone's kind of top to that. Right. Here's something I love in this day and age. If we needed a bell sound for one of our bands, we would just find one online or we would just manufacturer one on a on a synthesizer. Here's how they found the bell. They decided they wanted to bell. So Ian Jeffrey, the manager located a foundry to produce the bell, but it took seven weeks. So he suggested that Tony plot recorded nearby church bells. The recordings did not suffice due to the sound of a flurry of birds flying away at each bell it. Those birds. Are Corey. So they waited for the foundry to finish and when they when they got it was tuned. So there you go. They dropped it down an active. So the original bell, they recorded it and then drop the speed of the tape by a half. That's nice. The so that they would have a bill, the size of your living room. and. Apparently, that bill hungover Malcolm, Malcolm's outdoor kind of courtyard at his house, the original bell, the thing. The thing about that song to before we move to the next one is one thing I really noticed when. When Axel took over, for Brian Johnson and they did hell's bells and I remember some interview. One of the rare interviews that Axel did, what's the? Or. What's the hardest thing? And he said Thunderstruck and Hell's bells and I was like Hell's bells really when you listen to it as a singer and really get into that song is hard hard hard and to hear Axel, do it with his full power. It made you remember just how crazy Brian Johnson's range was when he was, you know that agent one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty. 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We move on to second. Guess probably up Bihar, we all do it's shoot to thrill. which thoughts on that? Charlie. My favorite song on the record like back in black. Every time I. Hear the Song I have to stop, and just I have to just play along to it. There's a section in that song where it's just angus and Phil. And Phil's laying into the Toms and as it goes, and it's building to like this crescendo, he's laying into the Tom. You could hear the mics open up and you just hear this. brilliant of a recording and to this day. I. Still Get goosebumps when I think about it, because that's on to me, is a CDs manages starts and it just doesn't stop you know and I. I hear a little bit of stones that Song I hear a little Gimme shelter, my favorite song. Do you think? I agree with Charlie. If the theme from Rocky makes me WANNA out and fight shoot to thrill me want to go out and drink and have a great buying. These want to dry fast. It just makes me WANNA do something. It's got that that driving fees like like you guys hear these songs. You know as professionals. You know you know what it takes. Right US all like this performance online. But as fans when we hear it and like I said earlier when I hear shoot through in that oath. Shannon and now it's like it's Like you said, we're back in Black Charlie, everything stopped shooting thrill everything stops. Let's run as fast as we can and put our head through a wall. And let me just say shoot the thrill is the opening track for every busted open show. That's the bullies show that he hosts serious every day. So there you go rich when you think about the shooter, throw to me I I agree I mean I would. I would probably say back blacks, my favorite song shoot to thrill is is. Just behind it, and one of my favorite things is guitar if that kind of a after the data add APP. But when I. Get it. It's actually a drumbeat right I. mean it established like you could still start to Bob your head just to the rich is like the fills not even in, yet we're already on board and has the cool thing about those guys. Just like every guy, there is a frigging riff of rhythm machine and there's so many sub hooks. It's not just the vocal. It's the drum part is the is the Qatari. There's so many hooks at. So brilliantly put together, and one of the things that is the best is at Mont Blanc trying to push the band into this kind of commercial radio thing and and the band is trying to push to the heaviest rock and. And Roll Band of all time and in the middle comes like the perfect storm of the heaviest greatest radio rock band album of all time, and if you listen to the lyrics like what's Brian comes in, you will and like all of a sudden, we're like like drawing almost kind of James Brown d Mick territory where it's got this, it's got bombed. That's ready to blow. It's got this kind of Bob to it. It's not your standard kind of rock and roll. It's got a rhythm and blues by to its Salt I. Love about it. We're we're talking about Phil, and once again he's he's a lot like Ringo and Lars is adopted this to this. Day. He plays what's right for the song and the beginning of that that too don't do. The Just comes in with the perfect Phil. That's not gonNA nick another thing. I love about that too. Once again, like choice, it's my favorite song on the record. It's definitely the best ACDC song that was not a hit. They play it every show in concert though. So to me, it is a big hit and I just I. Love One little part of it is something that bond never saying about. Shoot to thrill play the killed too many women too many pills. They never talk about pills, the AC DC it's only about drinking and whisky and and have a drink me, and I thought that was interesting because we know that bond had a lot of pill issues to the point where the rumors that died from drugs. But they they hit that because they sit easy is a drinking man's band not a drug taking band. So to hear that lyric. So prominent I always thought it was interesting to me gene and. A good, good. No. I was just going to talk about the performance. Of that song, it's like to me. There could never be another performance on record like that. Song it just the way it all came together, each one of them. It's like I. Don't know if they recorded live altogether of each one of them did their parts, but it just sounds like it was just a moment that was captured and I'm so happy about that. Tony the engineer. He actually said all the albums record live. The only overdubbed a little guitar lead bits, and then the vocals and he said that we just kept doing takes until we got the the right energy, we wanted we got the. His exact eroded actually down because I, thought it was genius. He was looking for feel technical accuracy tuning and attract that captured the spirit of the Saul. So like those were the check marks, they would just wait until the stars aligned and they got that take and then angus would come back and either do some lick stuff or whatever, and then Brian would do and he was actually saying that Brian Working on lyrics and they didn't have the lyrics and melodies written while the music was being cut. He was. Read that to your. Funny. Funny. You said that because if they did take after take than are those takes because if there's going to be a fortieth anniversary than your these. Stories for being. So lockdown though you know what I mean, they can't see CDC do any bonus tracks or any. They did do the bonfire box that. So who's to say Chris? One that tell you one thing I Brian Johnson, did he somebody asked him about the pills thing to ask him if that was a reference and he said that he eroded about society about society was numbing, themselves allied Oh. Exactly. I think that was his chance of kind of these rhinos society would be here. To taking too many pills. All. The women in the psoriasis, take your. Right what do you do for money honey about a girl who has a job at the grocery store? Series many. Think of that one. I. Bond. Probably. Walked up some girl in a bar said, what do you do for me? What do you think song? Every single song on this album is either good or great. This is a good one, and this is one of those songs that I can just groove to, and you know I just I just think. This nothing that really particularly stands out if somebody says, Hey, what's GONNA listen to off back and black I'm not gonNA listen to what are you gonNa do for money honey, but I'm definitely not turn it off. Right. I. Feel the same way because I think. We've we've heard it so much. Back Black record that when you hear, what do you do for money honey? It's one of the few songs you're like another song, which one is it? Oh, it's what did you so in that respect, I, always appreciate hearing it. But if you're talking about your top ten songs on a perfect record by the way, this would probably be number seven or eight for me but still. For. Any other band. If this was like a dirty look song, it'd be their best song ever. Charlie, but what do give money? Love Great Song in context of the record. That's where it works on its own. Maybe not you know not. So well as back in black or you shook me but in context with the whole record, which is something about ACDC. Remember. They were the ones didn't want their record up on itunes for single. You couldn't you had to buy the whole thing which makes total sense to me. Yeah. Yeah. This part of the sequencing of the record back in those days is so important. This is a perfect third track. What do you think of of? Rich. Same thing. Perfect. Formula. Charlie place four Richard plays three that got done. Get got, and it's it's the thing is they sway it? They got it. They know it, and that's the things we nobody sits around counting that stop until you start to really dissect it your that mechanic you trust to figure out why this car is so much faster than everybody. Else's than you realize that formulas just genius and they'd they had. Only Vance, you really did that so well, and it's it's almost like a thumbprint on every song is perfect. So. Is as a fan when I hear ACDC. It sounds simple. Are you guys saying that it's much more difficult to play or right than it sounds I'll say it, I say it's harder to play than that. It seems to really lock in with the band and get it right? Yeah. I agree with that. There's little. Dizzy little nuances that each guy puts in. There's a part and what do you do for money honey during the verse where Angus and Malcolm just let the e ring out. It's so amazing that they didn't bother with the riff. They just Dan Dan Dan. Bow? And back. Bomb. Just. Let it go. Just. Let that earring out. It's an awesome. You know little things like that. That's right. Charlie. He's doing the beat on down. He's doing the guitar is on the up like that, and those are the things they they do it. So flawlessly it, you just take it for granted, but it is. It's a thumbprint that it's not that it's necessarily difficult to do. Technically, it's that to do it as efficient. To do it. The way they did is what is hard right? I. Heard. Keith Richards say once he said he's never heard rarely heard somebody is stones cover properly because he plays in that weird tuning with five strings that he said, there's just nuances that unless you know you know and most people don't know and I think it's the same thing for Frac-, DC for sure given the dog a bone. This one is one of my personal favorites. Once again, it's not a hit but. It's another one that I would have to think, Bon Scott had something to do with in one way or another, but just. It's such a killer tune and they still play it live once in a while they did it when when Axel did it, I just love that she's using her head again she. Again, so high and. It's great. Great tune. It's just another one of those songs. It's the fourth song that you When the one, the one before it ends. You just immediately done. You know go right into it. You know and you could not write a song like that nowadays either given the dog bone. Aka. Smell. The glove, what do you think rich animal could do it. Yes. I, love all of these songs like they're literally like all of the songs could be in my top twenty favorite songs in all the time. It's so funny when you take them all for granted. Until you say, let's glistened. Let's do this podcast and you listen to the album kind of new ears thinking, Hey, let's talk about it. Then you just how how does anyone say there's a greater rock record even if you were to say appetite. Yes. How could you even say it? Even the guys in guns would have to say now it's back in, black? And give it a dog a once again, trolley four drums guitar. allowed. Just Off on another thing, I want to point to for it to mention that this these two records and to lesser extent. For those rock. These are the Mutt Lang getting his hooks in AC DC. No. Pun. Intended his background. Vocals are all over this record. But most specifically in this, she's gave it ahead. Again, there's not angus and she's given ahead again, it's all. With. His Vac, you could take that and stick it in a DEF LEPPARD sticks tonight at. Sick in the Bryan, Adams at all, it's like touch too much. It's the same thing. All outlying on the on the on the background vocals for sure. What do you think this tune bully it same thing. It's another good song. You know when when it comes on, know all the words to jam into it. I'M GONNA agree with all you guys all right now, here's the one son that was a little bit of a of a curveball. Let me put my love into you basically ACDC ballad which ride on notwithstanding which is more of a kind of a slow blues. So I've never heard an ACDC ballad before and it. took. A while for me to get into that one. Isn't this kind of similar to Lick my love pump by spinal tap the same. Sentiment. This on for me is probably my reese favorite record, but it's still great. Let me give it all. Away that I I, think I think right after bond walked up to that girl in the bar and said what he do for money honey and she looked at him. He said, let me put my love to you baby. Yeah. You know. It's funny because we had a, we always have a debate especially with the guys from events. What's the perfect record and? Every has to be a minus or better, and this one teeters on the line of a minus for me. But I'm still going to give it a name minus 'cause back as black is the perfect record for sure. This song is amazing. It just surrounded by like Olympic. Athletes. It's suffers from like olive. It's cousins. You know just did better I. Love this song I think it's a great song. I think it's again, this album is definitely would not survive canceled culture. It's Never Did. You imagine the executives in HR, the labels like making notes on this thing. Dan. Now the only band that get away with the title data's Steel Panther. Always because they they, they have the the ability to play off at the as it's supposed to be comedy. Right? You're playing. It Straits never gonNA happen. I do think it's cool though because I don't think that any of these songs were meant in a like even when you listen to some of these kinds of. Dr, Hook. Songs like spending the night together, it sounds really rape on. Like. I don't know man that songs really not rights. And somebody had that thing. But I think within the context of the time, and also the sense of like this is kind of pub rock. Right is his guys being guys in the locker room laughing. It's never meant to be taken at face value out of the stuff's tongue in cheek. Just kind of locker room, fun. blue-collar humor stuff that guys would say on a job site and I don't think any of this stuff is ever meant to be demeaning or looking down at anybody i. just think it's kind of a sign of kind of coming out of the late seventies, early eighties in blue collar. Working Class people, and you know so as much is it may be shocking to you know to someone who's twelve years old figures out who got away with these lyrics will aged and it's just because it was just a different time and different mindset You can't. We can't judge. The past by the sensibilities of today, right? Absolutely. I mean the ACDC were notorious for these kind of like sex rhymes and stuff like that. But they have the songs like sink the pink. I. Remember once reading circus magazines like ACDC. Again, the kings of the Double Entendre I. What is it on? Tom, Drei Entendre? Go on. wikipedia. Encyclopedia or dictionary or some shit to figure it out. But let's go to what could be possibly. ACDC's best long. Charlie. Mentioned it earlier, title track back in Black, which starts off with the great. About like what the Best Intro? That's not even an intro. You know what I mean like. You could take the drum intro for. Aftershock or one world or whatever thought the issues. What do? We think Charlie. It's such a hook. Get you so excited for what's to come. You know I mean I've spent. Years Listening to that would headphones on if you listen closely. You hear Phil Go. To. And you have to pull at song way back. If you push it. Does not work. It's gotTa, have that funk that Greece. Anna. and. If it doesn't, it's just. An right since Gong anymore and those guys I wonder how much attention to that was was put on Phil like pull back. It's too fast. You know and that that song all the way through is just that it's so off. Let me throw this at you. Though we talk we get into the Beatles discussions. How much that was left on. Phil. How much was it just natural for those guys to play that way. Did they have to sit. There you go you. You play really laid back fillers that just how he interprets the song because that's the type of player. He is a Feminine Model Song Prior to that I would probably say highway to hell would be closed back in black, but the heaviness of back in black was something that they've never done before. So I don't know maybe maybe it was much saying you know pull it back to you. Know we think billy, I remember one time in the gym I skipped over back in black on my Ipod, I immediately dropped the weight I went to church I, went to confession and I said ten. Alfonse. Otherwise, I thought I'd burn in Hell for skipping back. It's like, what are you going to say about this song like Charlie said in the beginning, everything stops when the song comes on. Much like shoot to thrill. There is no not listening to back in black when you when you go to other concerts in, they're playing songs before the band goes on you back in black and almost get you as Pu-. The first song for the band. It absolutely. Yeah. It just it's. Really. It's. It's back and black period end of story. That's the great corridor is and black period we think rich. Greatest Rock, Song of all time I've always said it's my desert island. One, one song ipod. I'll take that one and I'm good forever. I think it's a perfect song every way I mean I think to to jump on the back of? Charlie. was saying is that feel had a great responsibility in I? Always wonder because most of the time we'll call it ninety, five percent of the time is always. Driven by the drummer setting pocket and I always wonder Evan's like that. If it's Malcolm or I'm excuse. Yeah, it's Malcolm or if it's still the same way that you wonder if it's lars if it's head field like there are certain anomalies were, you know there's a guy 'cause you can always feel it. You can feel at the beginning of Hell's bells way. Malcolm. Is playing the guitar part. You can feel him dragging so far behind the beat and you can feel him establishing this thing. That's it doesn't sound like they played these songs to clicks although they could have a I don't I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. But you can definitely regardless, we all know that if even with the click, you can still play you drag behind the click like you would ups of a skier behind a boat. You can kind of hang behind the kick drum, really dragged your eyes and you can really feel that in even in the Guitar Solo, Adonino out on who would play that solo like there's nobody who would have done that they would have liked there would have been another thing. But the fact that he chose those little those little holes to kind of poke through introduces solo piece. It is like to me into a flaw as. We've got the versus this big pocket, and then when they go to the same same formula, go into that pre chorus data. Adult but the base is riding on the drone notes with the kick drum on the floor and the guitars doing these up, and every part is a signature part in everything is a hook. The whole song is a hook. It's just. Hook be exceed I. wanted to ask you a question of rich and Charlie because listening to break down the songs and you know, Oh, he must have been feeling this at this moment and he played it like this and there was some drag you guys being the musicians. Is there a chance that if you would ever ask angus discretion or Phil Rudd, these questions that are just like now that just what felt right at the time and there's absolutely no thought put into it. Absolutely. Back and black could have been a song that was just like. All right. Let's get this done, and then they spent more time on You know have a drink on me. You know who knows but. Back in black. It just sounds too perfect. Yeah. That was the one thing that I will say that I've heard Malcolm young talk about why he calls ACDC rock and roll versus rock or versus hard rock, and he was saying that rock and roll has a swing to that is more in line with old school music which talks about how he likes to play behind the beat, and he was talking how they have way more in common with the rolling stones because of that like that. That tip of the hat to old school rock and roll. So if I had to guess, I would say they're very aware of it like just like all bands, she's like one of the things that makes thrash music. So aggressive is I'm sure Charlie could speak to this way with other than I can is the acknowledgement of where they're playing on their toes on the front of the beat in order to create energy. So there's places in the song at were doing in. In create anxiousness. You're. You're actually rushing to beat just slightly and then maybe the course to create more of a release than that's when you get behind the be, and that's where the groove opens up and so as as musicians were were constantly aware of where the down is and where we play around the downs is what determines are kind of how we're creating energy in the song to say whether it was a Beatles or whether it's pink, Floyd, all I think that. that. Most everybody's at least has some awareness and their foam print may be more connected to playing behind playing in front where James, Hatfield, you can kind of feel. He has anxious down picking right hand, which creates that energy where I hear Scott an anthrax. He has that same thing. But I feel he grooves differently because his pocket assist different the technique back, the same they're playing in different spots at the beat which gives them. They're kind of signature sound Richard Music. which is funny because so and I never would certain bands. I'll always talk to like, Hey, what are you putting your monitor like? Here, to get you through the show you know and they'll tell me i. hear this I hear that. But for me, it's like I don't hear any base or anything I hear Scott and Scott usually push push me. You know what? I. Mean. So rocking out on it and then and then. I hear him. No, you know. It's like there's this tension that that is building and. I. Think that's that's music right there. I'll see two things backing black though the one I think it was the ball breaker tour. When you're when you open with back in black, you know you've got a lot of can hits because they opened with back in black and I was like Holy Shit like every other like, but they got they kept going up and the other thing is this song features a rare base Phil from Cliff Williams right at the fate out when he goes doodling. Dalil. You really gotta pay attention for that. I remember listening to that as a kid and turning up the Stereo as loud as you could. Lean. Delina. Illness. And then of course, their biggest, it's there. It's there. Stairway to heaven. You shook me all night long and I'll start with this. Well, this is a song like Inter Sandman or. Name. Any any huge Beatles? Song. I, WanNa hold your hand or stay where the heaven or the classic of Classic songs where you're like I never have to hear that song again until it comes on somewhere, we don't expect it. You just like this song is amazing. My brain. and. The one more thing I love to say is that a local Brian. Whatever the doctor with those if it's if it's not America, he's in. Canada, it's those Canadian. Thighs is those Swiss thighs. It's those Lithuanians. What a great way to connect yourself as a lead singer to the country that you're playing for. Bully you take over on going along. I thought I was going to be the only one of that opinion like I don't ever have to hear the song again because I've heard it so much and I remember the first time I heard. It played it a wedding. I was like, Nope, that's it now. I lifted ACDC at a wedding crossover too much, and you know and everybody ops for the song because you know is the only frigging. ACDC. Song that they know nobody at that wedding would really be listening to ACDC so. Right every does come on, it's against all rules and regulations. You can't. You can't turn it off rich to jump on the back of both you guys. It's like Hotel California, and that you think you've heard it too many times until it's two, am you're driving down the road and it goes on your? That's one of the greatest songs ever written i. think it's crazy how that is every banned that song it you feel like is overplayed in. But what makes it great is that everybody still wants to hear it and it probably is her greatest quote unquote song that My. My wife likes it. You know my mother-in-law probably likes it and and those are you know it's universally love because it's of degrade jam and it I think it's probably the only saw in the album that doesn't have that darkness kind of heaviness to Ryan because the whole album has a bit of a brutishness, a hint of agro, and and this is the only song that feels kind of more long could have been on an older ACDC. Album were has more fun. Bullet more playful. Is that? Is there any other songs that could have that kind of playful thumbprint this maybe? Like you mentioned this is this is a tribute to ban a enshrouded way. So this whole record, but what do you think Charlie I love this song, it's like Stairway to heaven to me, but if you break down the song for what it is, it's Almost. Like a rap song. He's just wrapping over beat the verses, the other guys that just waiting to come in, and then there's that chorus how catchy chorus course, it's a pop song, but it's way better than a pop song. You know it's something that your grandfather could dig or your little two year old gets into, you know it just it just has this thing about it and it. It is a bit kind. kind of up than the rest of the record. I don't know man. This sounds like Bond Scott where to me too. Yeah, and I'll say one of the things I, mean. I, agree with you on the Bond Scott lyrics another one. I. I always call this the karaoke killer whenever you go to a karaoke bar or someone's doing karaoke at a house or something much like rich taught me about singing. Happy Birthday. Everyone starts to high whenever you go see happy birthday. Happy. That's the same thing with you should have. Seen this and you get through. Okay. But there's a lot of lyrics in a short period of time, not a lot of air and then when it hits that. Chorus. Yeah. You. GotTa be ready to go. Are you going to be up to going hold? Times man, did you ever hear the story about how much tried to change how the the song structure? That story is slow right. Seen. That out. Bata, she kept mode. Queen, on and Malas like now. It'd be hard to sing I. don't care. I. Don't Camp Brian do it. Let's go to a song whenever I hear it. I feel like I'm late to get on stage because we used have a drink on the intro music as our one before the show. For years and whenever I hear have a drink, I mean by force by stage gear. Once. Again, another classic non hit from the record, but this is probably the strongest non hit on the record for me. And once again, I don't care I in my little fantasy world. Let. Me Just read the lyrics to you right here. Don't worry about tomorrow taken today. Forget about the check will get held to pay I mean that's got Bon Scott written all over it. You know and if he didn't write that, Malcolm wrote specifically saying what? Don. Rich. Or BUBBA. Go. That one lyric don't worry about tomorrow. You know take it today especially in the world we live in right now. So much uncertainty. It's like that lyric just rings true and I'm into death like I always ponder like what if the grim reaper tapped on your shoulder and said, you got five minutes left? What would you do? Who would you call it? What would you say so that that line right there don't worry about tomorrow rings true for me. It's. It's all about you know enjoying every moment. You guys right now and enjoying it for everything. That's worth because I walk outside of my house, you get hit by a bus, it would be buses because I'm not selling. Her I. Really Love that Ler. Rich Yet, I love the song is Great. I. Love How it's a, it's same. Same kind of structure. A. The only difference is is that there's a lick of, it's like Azt. She always has like one or two songs on the album. Dat Gatt were on. Now Wild. Yes And it's like the thing is even swings a lick like. Eddie van Halen or maybe the only two guys on the planet who can make you Bob your head to a like a solo. Lick the just swing everything. It just feels so good I, love the lyrics love destructs everything about this song. It's like a ten for me and like you said, he used to love that was our one to go. Off just such a great song fills playing genius to Phil's plan on. Can Awesome and. My favorite moment of the song is the end when it comes back in after the break down, have a drink on the ground Hannah. Great, GonNa Roll around GonNa hit the ground, take another swing. have another drink. Get the fights broken out baby. What if Brian Johnson is like a serious lyrical genius in wrote most. Hold Top. Sandbagging. been. My only out. My only thing is. Maybe. He was into the into the GROOVE, but after blow up your video, they relieved him of his songwriting duties after that record from raises as on. It's all songs and lyrics by Malcolm and Angus Oh. That's the only reason thinking, maybe he wrote some of this and maybe he was influenced by bond, but that only goes so far you either it's like trying to write a David Lee. Roth lyric, you might be able to get one or two. Right. But after a while you gotta be inside guy's mind to really get it. But but like I listening to every interview, you've ever heard. Heard. Brian. Johnson doer any interaction. Any of you may have had with him. Do you think Brian Johnson wrote any of these lyrics? He's a pretty funny fun guy. So yeah, I can see that and maybe he was influenced by bond to try them each bond you. But some of our pretty hard to to think that it could be anybody with bonds, I think shake a leg. Could be a Brian Johnston term because I don't see bond Scott ever using the term, shake a leg. Many. Like Alice Cooper, he's great lyricists. I think some people role play. In the question is like some people like athletes to have this this period of time or they make that make great art in somewhere along the way whatever the Mo Jo for maybe the restart. Because, they're raising kids or they're picking out tile for the swimming pool and they're not as hungry as they used to be. There is certainly a case to be made that a lot of those lyrics written because the lyrics on back in black seem. From from my opinion or from the outsiders you to be more in line with what ACDC was doing previous to Brian Johnson. But I always think is funny it. What if he's just sitting around, say sort of a bitch. Got Nobody's giving me love. It's like everyone just to see that. Stole it. Here's the best line from this magazines, wet dreams, dirty women on machines for me. Big Licks, skin flicks, tricky dicks, or my chemistry going against the grain, trying to keep me sane with us to stop your grin and drop your linen for me. S, either. That could be gene Simmons from the asylum. Back. Yeah. Shake a leg. It's got a good chorus. It's fun. I I, think, this is the fastest Song Record Yagi points. vars in tempo goes if not the only one. I, mean, the fastest song on highway to hell was beating around the bush. Right? Right. Maybe the. These long to date, this is faster. The beaten around the Bush, isn't it or maybe not? Beating around, Bush's a little faster, but this is kind of fast too. But I always loved the song and there's if you listen to the song, it sounds a little different than the rest of the songs. The, drums a little different, just listen to it. The snare drums a little tighter. It's not as fat. Maybe recorded later on those, Gillette of a mutt laying in the chorus. Do shake leg did ever tell you my story really quick. Are we doing a photo session in Manhattan and there's like this gourmet cafeteria? We took a break and we all went in, we all want a jumba juice. Juice. So we're sitting a JUMBA juice and at the corner of my eye Shania Twain, waiting online with mud lying behind her. So I said everybody could his and we were like, holy, Shit. There was no place to sit and I guess Shania saw a sitting there. She comes over and she said she sits with us in such talking and everything and mud comes over and all of us. Feel, bad about it now, but all we wanted to do is just talk to Mutt. Editor. It was kind of weird, but it's like dude, I just had so many questions about this specific record. He was awesome. She was awesome to did you ask him anything about the record oh? Yeah. We talked a lot about the record, but he didn't give away like any liquor any big day you know? There was a notebook that was left and safely On the cover and is filled with. The first thing I would have said to like like right now, he was sitting here like where are these outtakes? Were they living in? Know while they put them out because it's always been a weird thing for me like with led Zeppelin. They have so much stuff, but they still have yet to put out a lot of the cream of the crop like what are you waiting for? You is interesting which are always said, which was he noticed that the song sounded differently and. And I noticed in a couple of interviews that Tony Platt. The engineer said that he used to like to wipe the console after every song and mix each song for the soul. So where most bands back in the day for for the sake of continuity, they set the console for the album and they may make tweaks based on each song's, but he said they because the each song had his own identity in its own kind of energy in different tunings, they would intentionally wipe intake. Take all the Q. and everything, but it back to zero and mixed from scratch song so that they were influenced by the mix of the previous ones so that each song got its own individual best effort and he said at the end, they remixed the first song. They did because they were making such improvement. So they realized, Hey, the first one as sometimes happens, but was Austin said that because he said, they were treating every saw like it was on a separate record listed certain delays as the song ends you know Dan. You'll be like a a different milliseconds delay on certain things on his voice. You know it's always these little things that I pick out like Oh that's strange. Different than that one you know. So that totally makes sense I just wiping it. All cleaned starting fresh every day, which which is crazy. That is crazy actually. Yeah. Right. Especially for a pro record. All right. So we bring it to the to the last which always confused me when I was a kid rock and roll ain't noise pollution. Growing up in Canada. had no idea what noise pollution was maybe the New Yorkers here a little bit more familiar with that term, but I'd never heard before. Is it. All you middlemen? Is that what he says I'll I'll you middlemen opening opening lyrics to that? Yeah. Didn't Wang ask him to say something on the intro and actually came up with I? Guess I just did not middleman was like a soldier from the confederate confederate war something like that. But I think the middleman is like like drug dealers, right? Like the guy who buys from the vice from the big. Yeah. I always thought it. Any way you slice it. It. This is a grower not show, but but what a great tune, what a great way to end off this record because as a kid, you always wanted you know we're all the same. You gotTA. Have your album closer, which is a fast one or a thrasher. You'RE GONNA open hot. You gotTA close hot. These guys did none of this, the open with the thunderstorm and the bell and the and the slow riff in the ended with this this classic Blues Song. But I love the final line rock and roll is just rock and roll. Yeah. How you later guys? Great tune. Might Drought Lyric. Exactly. Exactly. Thoughts bully anything else on that one. I. Don't reminds me almost like God gave rock and roll. Do you by guests? It's got that Kinda and them feel to me. It's quintessential like rikstag throughout how it's as easy as always rock and roll you know and not rocket heavy metal. ACDC occupies this certain spot and I like this song because even though it does feel like an atom at times, it has such an anthem type. You know you can almost see you know Brian Johnson standing at the top of a mountain holding the rock and roll flag of ACDC. Top of his lung rock and roll. Ain't. Noise. Pollution. Charlie this song, I love the intro in it, what I always pictured as Brian sitting in like vocal booth, but the store would a pack of cigarettes and a lighter, and he just gets a sugar out lights up. In any close it out, and he just says what's on his mind and and since his part and he goes, let's go and then when they all come in together, it's so awesome and fills just hitting the accent. Is this fucking brilliant in? Just only they can do this make A. Van, Halen to their records captured this party type of thing this this this mood, and when I hear this song, it just puts me in the mood. You know heavy Rich it isn't it ironic that we all probably agree with Charlie, said that ACDC advantage alien probably envisioned or made the most classic records and it all came down to those guys playing so well together and cutting live in a room, rehearsing the songs over and over working them out with the producer talking things through cutting in a room and even Tony Platt said the engineer he was saying, he didn't know Bryan Johnson. But what to what your point? Point was like, Hey, you could see sitting there the vocal booth with this you know is ashtray and he said they spent a lot of time getting Brian, Johnson comfortable enlighten whittle really didn't know of so the idea was created. So we worked on the lighting worked on what part of the room he liked to sit in week you know we just kind of made him gave him his area where he felt like he had atmosphere in vibe. That was interesting because it's I think most people walk into studio, the microphones already kind of set up. Little stand for lyrics and stuff in a guy cuts whereas for this record, they thought enough of it. They thought about the esoteric side of things since like. Let's. Let's let's where do we need to put this guy in his best position, and that's what Tony saying over and over again is like we wanted to make a record that was special and it wasn't about the, but it was how the band played the notes and it was about how to put these guys in a place where they could create something that was magic. Yeah, and they did it right? I mean I can't name a record with the exception of maybe that and one. That amount of magic that you just here on every track and just go down in think it's a full lawless performance by flawless band. It's like exactly what you said it's magic. It's it's lightning in a bottle. It's like you capture something. Also one thing I wanNA point out this record. Would you say it was the top four top five with number two out of the top five? It's like nowadays. So many people think you have to make record data is the drums are just Is. Everything's gotTa be mechanical and this record, it just breeds and it's the number five. It's number two. So so to me, it's like when people wanNA quantify drums, it's like dude, just just rock and roll don't change it just let it go. And to at how interesting is it? The didn't go number one on the charts. But did, but was a number two bestselling Sullivan time, which means it's all about longevity which says even more about the album that he wasn't some bank to the top. No disrespect. It wasn't like mental health that goes number one, but doesn't have the staying power. But this also to like I bet you there wasn't even really the maybe maybe you shook me. Me All night long on the radio. We could probably go through and find out, but it's not like they is now are they're releasing three or four singles. This is word of mouth and touring and the amount of goodwill and the fan base. They had prebon Scott that just exploded with these songs, and with this record, you know to make them into the biggest rock and roll band in the world today. Do you think that when? People who come after back in black and they find them on. I, don't know the ball breaker record or whatever. You think it's like people go well dude, you got to go back and black because that's the city of ACDC so. Do people say that what other bands like people go? Oh, you gotta get that blackout and by Metallica or do they say that against that master puppeteer? That's? Like led Zeppelin, do you go get tipline four? You have to have that, but I can tell you that my experience with kiss and we always make jokes I got into kiss on animal is and had no idea that they'd even taken the makeup off vaguely knew of them with makeup, and then went back and discovered kiss alive to you and kiss alive even though eighties kisses the best kiss era, we can have another. As, just jokes as we start to wind down here. Once. Again, the you'll never hear another rock and roll record like this. They'll never be a rock and roll record made that influential this big. That's not to say, there won't be a record that every kid has on spotify or gets you know via streaming, but to sell fifty, five, million records for rock and roll band with no frills. No gimmicks minimal push at the time. This is a product of era of its place, but it still holds up today. You could play this for any kid that's into rock and roll, and they will decide that this is a tremendous classic album. The sound of this record needs to be spoken about two because. Whenever you go you hire an audio guide, do your sound. What do they eat you the system to pack and black? You know what I mean. It's. Every one of them. It's like if you put on back black, you'll be blasting out of that in A. and it's like Yep that that's how you do it. You know this worker just amazing. Yeah. Final question because what's your favorite song on the record shoot through? Yeah. I gotta go shoot the thrills. Go through the throw. That's a tough room. have to go back and black just. Yeah, just to be different. Yeah. But de, but I will have to say when you throw came out on the iron man and I, I saw in the theater didn't expect it. It happened in nudged towards shoot to thrill US number one. And Tony Stark's theme song a thrill. You're good when when me and Bubba went and saw them unbeknownst to each other we went to the garden to see. Axel had no idea that we were literally in the same row at the garden. You were there to Charlie, Jack Slade and Paul Heyman. Offered Concert Goer ever when they started with rocker bus because it's classic case or is it easy what we start with our new song and then the second song in the set was shoot to thrill? That's. That's what I want. fricking crazy man. That was the best me too. I said after after the show we all went went backstage and we were talking and we all had this Kinda. We had this glow about us that we were just so happy about what we just witnessed and to me I still say it's like one of my top ten shows axel was awesome as it should was wait a minute frogs. You guys went backstage after that. Yeah. We were there your addict, Chris, you said, you went home. Past. Say What do? Ya GotTA. Train later. Different Chris. Chris, he went to see Chris Slade. Is would a what a great time celebrating the greatest rock and roll record of all time and one of the biggest drags of as we wind up, here was the rumor. I'm sure you guys the furthest. Charlie, you probably know more than me was that ACDC was going to go out on tour this summer with classic drop the record with minimal notice, and it was going to be with, Brian, was going to be with. Phil, riding and cliff. Kind of the classic lineup is classic as you can get hopefully Cova didn't kill the rolling stones. Novakova doesn't kill. ACDC and the both back touring next year we gotta go. Yes. Thanks, guys. Every day. Thank you.

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Steelers Touchdown Under: Steelers rookies are generating excitement

Behind the Steel Curtain

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Steelers Touchdown Under: Steelers rookies are generating excitement

"Pittsburgh steeler fan. Welcome to the second edition of steelers touchdown. On that payroll and I'm joined by my. Mock Davison. Tonight. I Bet I don't. Can you believe we met the second second type? We medicate with the cat and that's We'll be talking more about cuts in Charlotte on show today. We've made the caught wheels. So fate should really heavily on. O'Brien's to I. Am Tokes Lost Weight. So that was right to join join you listeners live on Youtube in on out was a great experience Amok in officer listening to the show fit the several posses. So we've really roaring ready to guard guards I really came to getting talking steelers. Today. We're going to give you a bit of a discussion around. Bit of a recap of the off season, obviously a couple of weeks out before the season. With three train almost through training camp roster cuts coming up on Saturday at September five four pm you're hearing is live from from the future from fourteen hours in the future on Friday evening time. But we're really glad to join you on Saturday morning over there in the US and and around the world whatever time zone that might be. Different. It'll be a bit of a recap of the off season Some Kate highlights food for the to this. Day that means obviously that that's today as we go away. But Look Martha would settle for the few. I. It's been about saw that how good is documented series that we've now got two pots with with Big Ben It's. It's awesome. So it it gets you really. As a steelers fan educating educating for the season, it's been a really long love off season. As Jeff mentioned by in one of the previous shows. this this year has been. Up and down with everything else but you gotta be positive. So we big Big Ben Coming back this for his comeback season like the first episode was. Released last week announced the second one I think there's one more guy. Destroys decide to which you know like I said not previous podcast like he's got two more years to go independent seventeen as of now go stop the thing. Wide. The Video Diaa on Youtube I sorta. Zing down the slide to June like we need this backside, it's it's really good to test Surgery went as well. Yeah I agree with you and I think the way getting an insight into Ben. That we don't usually get nothing that's spokesman really exciting for the fan base is really saying these are the sides Ben obviously saying the first episode we had a lot from how he's family a lot of the criticism on how it's being touchstone by some of our fellow valid pulled costs. On from Betas say it's been covered also on social media that really you ought starting to see the insights into what it's like for planning this family in the end, the the stress that they go through when when the, when plays a taken through the major and and families feel it Now, of course, there's the counter argument that the plays a well remunerated to that that I just in some ways someone quoting by Cygnus, the depth of the public gets into the private lives that. I think that that's been really real semaine sort of saying how you know his wife and kids have taken it. I think in the second episode to. Really documenting his journey that he's been getting an insight into how these teams of doctors work to get people back the idea that a quarterback lead on an NFL players never really come back from this type of surgery and ended. So different person to person I mean many listeners on the listening to these podcasts. Why? Or audio recording will had some sort of injuries on Tony Myself in Ankara total of US three, hundred six. You've got down there and the work required to get back that if you think about been coming back, throwing the football that passion for that sevens and he said, mom, not seventy one body, he said multiple embodies. That's why he's back. That's what he's looking to would shave it's finishing. There's the paycheck that Humi- The history books it's the whole thing that he's talked about it's about making payments that. Are A. that's what I've been really most impressed by these by by the documentaries so far I'm really looking forward to rainfall. But look let's kick him to the pots. We're GONNA cover today eaten shark. So. What I tackle cat He's really around what has bane the highlight of the off-season fee mock. What's in that memorable moment that that just really typifies of saving between Twenty Nineteen, twenty, twenty, and our next step in chasing. that. Seven Lombardi. So it's you know as everyone knows it's been quota quad strange. Off Season like it's the first time, we haven't had praising games in Audubon Day There Oklahoma Nar that but I'm not even show when Voss on that said. With everything going on we need full forbid distraction as well. But like one of the highlights off improving across patio is is one of the players who we we got. A residency, which was Aric Apron so He's coming in Newton and with this off like new offense with the offensive big bend now gingy say Washington, he's GonNa. He's GonNa feed well, we've got you non stop stuff started to see what he can do as a football player and maybe in the red zone to help us out a little bit more like we should be really excited. For Him. He's he's a big physical threat six eight or something that would wouldn't you side? Yeah. Yeah. Hundred percent and. I think it's really interesting when you talk show man as well. Eric Bruin is that getting through from colts now we know this. Injury. History there, but getting tied in at twenty seven who's go proven production when he's now that's the question is easy fake that we've got the same question with the animal. We've got a couple of developmental plays that we've brought in like Zach gentry's of the world. But for me getting someone in, that's twenty seven that's quite Goofy says weighed that Ben can have a bit more in we know that when the rookie wide save come into the league and come into the steelers Ben Tykes water clements is we saw that James Washington. In twenty eighteen struggled a little bit debt expected. We know twenty nine despite having average quarterback play at best compatible ben gets that you sold Washington really stopped to wadded up and obviously the season three's massive on form the off season so for me. This idea that you'll getting someone that's experienced but still young, he's got some Mehta's left on older model. Sorry. Down here in the metrics got some. He's got some miles left in the tank. The tank. And as she know mock as well because when we talk about these of the off season for made. Utah Abraham which I think. For me he he represents a big hotline of the off season for me and that was really around how the steelers have approached free agency. I have been really impressed with the way we've handled this now. I think we'll parking things like sign ray signing dance where we would win. We had poor debts the tight end position. When you look at it, the steelers obviously bud depressed franchise tag counts as how you've played out free agency as well. The main. Bringing is like Stephan was new ski trading for a guy like Chris womanly Obviously it was very sad to juvenile hall grave go. But on a C. that was not gonNA line for what he be was, what he is with the new Ye. So that would what angels offering him? And bringing in like you. You're not thank you say race on you not file you Mike Helton's bringing a guy like Derek. Bringing that to US skippers well I thought that was really the bringing a window smallwood to shore up at Ave room in that that's to meet you one going forward as we approach pot day. Live detecting this afternoon on from a going it really really interesting what we have done that leading God's like Audience Guard letting shown David Scott. He was always going to get a bit more money to more prepared to give him. I am styling the bowl camp. It says that it was the right thing. Not It was the right thing to cut mop baronet was also the right brain that as well on family in that part that. It's about the approach it's about the players we boarding like you was new skis and you derrick. Watson also steelers think. We know that Kevin Call Normal concubinage that manage the player whilst that I love that we can bring back 'cause like Tala Medicare, which he wasn't worth the money. To pay him. We didn't as we didn't try and raise sign Sean Davison Iva for that. You know we didn't. We were small John. Highgrading said, don't offer. It wasn't drawn out in the media. We didn't give boons and other million. When we know he's not going to be the ride Playa. I have questions while. Love that I chewed of Joan Dangerfield I've got some questions there are going to be have to be honest I. got some questions they oversee was great interview when he when he joined invade TSA but dirty, he's got to prove somewhat I watched the ad go spend overspend on on. So mainline number is how approach the whole thing I think as you said, Abrahams, the icing on the cake getting someone he that he's ready to sort of fill the tape, the titan role in a way that we kind of haven't seen seen since taste. And bad about these talking March when he talked about a similarity, you know in one hundred, twenty gains Mila had. Two. Hundred Ninety six catches three thousand three hundred thirty three yards twin on touchdown in Nineteen Games and obviously that brings into this injury situation with with Abraham Abrahams had played eighty three games to ninety three catches three thousand one, hundred, ninety, five yards, and twenty seven touchdowns. So we have had similar production through six agents again, obviously, the health issue but sometime, he hasn't played twenty gang. So he's almost whilst he's been in the League six as is only five seasons of mileage on his body and at taught in ways guys play willing to that early and Mid Thirties. Despite, well, despite its wealth and attain. The GEICO hit. Say I. Think we've all we've all gone crazy. This has been the longest off-season ever like you've despite a brilliant pitch out to what happened with their off-season needed. The cake is like one of the big thing is you bond autograph he's GonNa be. Very. Much Sun. but the people who name delay by the Burns and Davis they had the guy there Thomas upside. Yeah. You said you said it brilliant. So the female the next part of rate half of the osage not thought we'd look at he's very much round. The rookie that you expect to Now we've heard a lot about quite Quite from big band, we've heard him mentioned by the coaches even Joe Haden who knows. It and he's coming into play pool that knock. WHO's that rookie? You think he's GonNa. Excite the steelers the steelers fan base comes as in Twenty Twenty So I'm thinking all not going to be awesome for show as a stop. What both? You know on the school of the jets. I will. But I'm looking to Alex lockout football from two dozen full. Colonel Steele is have they have a used their linebacking? So hopefully with Alex classmates his production, it may be limited, but you'll get all that training in his reps in practice in high fifty three. Then he can progress fold in some games coming fourth quarter and the guy. He might get a secretary here. Hear there on the side to see. He's development will be a lot of fun to watch once if. But goes away next year. But yes, just save what Alex Hospice into much like the first time I think with the linebackers. Bush had the best chance Austin. Yeah I'm excited just to see what he can do. What your thoughts quite pool or anything in someone else's well yes it's actually Will be controversial. Potentially because he may not sale snaps. I think it'll be anthony fallen. Now we said who we expected to excite not necessarily the most production and not necessarily make the most impact. So for me I think that. That that full forty, four seconds in forty odd time. Now, there's a lot of full as Nassau guy back that McDonald's forty odd time is four point four seconds now we talk about Klay Puma plane to restate. On the flipside make Falon plays foster. The he on camera you saw is obviously that tight Mary's playing Maryland where he just absolutely tore apart higher state. Unbelievable performance that I think obviously, we know the steelers like to ride await way back in I think A. Quite high on. For me. Macfarlane will excite They will give him the ball and he will go hot and he will cost and I'm really excited to see what he can the season if when used in the rottweiler young needs United States to twelve carries a game once the season starts to roll like a not inaugural sit here and say needs carries a game stocking needs to acclimate as they say and really get used to the NFL but I do think. Cease to twelve carries a game on average the him down the stretch of Games is going to make a big difference and he will take him airing football in this wolf station the box he onions aligned to open up and he's GonNa Tikey Foot fifteen twenty odds very quickly, and it's going to scare you know we sold a difference that karat white made while season when he came in and provided that change of pace and I think you're GonNa get a think you're to get a better experience atomique. He's done really well through a you know he has been brought up in a lot of the retraining reports as well as doing quite well I think there are some concerns of loss two weeks. Some temporary injuries or what have you but yet in terms of someone's who excite I think it'll be a few splash plays from fallen off season. That leather using as as a wildcat, all similar similar players like that yet potentially United encounter on plays this outside runs the again and I think we need looking at seems like RPM up throwing out of the backfield. If he's if you off during day down the field and your leading, you'll leaving that short yardage Arpan I think he'd I think there is going to be opportunities where he's going to stop. His with his pace, he only needs to have one gone means and he's GonNa. He's GonNa take five yards so he's going to be incredibly helpful. I'll be size is coming to us a little bit, but we know that steelers running backs going say`since tune three tend to get a bill. So really I, think the meat fallen we've really talking twenty twenty one whether it's GonNa be a big save him oversee of coming off contract. Began May McFarland. McFarland is the one that's GonNa was going sight. But look with that. We are going to go to break here on steelers radio and we'll be joining him back soon to talk more about the steelers rape in the off season and what what? And we're back why dealers podcast touch down onto the newest poll cost in the Beta safe family of podcast on everyone I'm joined by my co host and we're talking everything steel is on on Saturday the. Tamba, where day's coming up in just a few hours for him they sometimes. So look really looking forward to getting into getting stuck in the second half of the show into what we can expect today. So mock roster cuts as I've just mentioned that coming up full PM. Is You'll miss? For the full roster cuts who in your mind, he's not going to make that that fifty three man squad as we cut down from eighty plays Yeah. He's. He's GonNa, make it in Ali out that is that player even make the scored All these you know as a big Fan I wish we can have them all I would if the money is law goodbye all the. but the thing I. Personally I think, will happen by. A big shock to the steelers and the steelers fans if. Per Se Jalen Samuels was cap as saying the first pot with cone snail. Window smallwood. The guys that want to carry the the football. So way does. Does Jalen. Had A lot of Scott Back Joaquin. got. The power rounders with if he stays healthy we go. Benny. Benny debts. If they didn't go really well. It. It depends like I. Think he will maintain, but it'd be. It'd be a big shock for everyone you got up we would wake up and say it but the guys from four pm you would say giants I'm years team. Money honey. Big Wire. Thought about this. Is a if he wasn't on the team, I've got feeling the somehow the Patriots pick him up. United like they will just get on apply on. You know that would use that would use him against us like he was fun of watching the. Allusive Khanna God. Young. He's guy that I. that thought about but I, it's. It's it's from a fifty three. Now is a new. Six people for a practice squad. defense offense. Yes I will. Johnson was interesting. One right there and it will be interesting because obviously not Canada has a history with with Samuel Sarr you the idea of bringing that candidate in losing samuels. Now, even when a crowded Albay Room is he's going to be an interesting. Of. Semi running back on soil yet minus. And Look Ariz bulked up on Ben's best friend I know he's A probably Myers. Ben's lawn probably has a bit of. Carries the water for ban you know probably. Jokes, the kids off off at school picks. When not needed For me by this, I think Ron Suissa Anna look. Likely he might make the school, but he's the play that I would prefer niece the scored we have caused that can run that full backing. You don't Johnson unarmored fallen can do it there few other specialties as well obviously steals in Brooklyn last couple of weeks. Raymond Club. On. That I would prefer someone like a day on Cain. Number Wide Receiver Project we can shift on the practice called when needed makes it the ideal of having April's to score tied up with someone like weeks up when we have fast running backs who can catch out of the backfield whether that he's someone like a samuels. Windows Wendell smallwood can do it as as well way where required Cornaro Veasley does it. You know we we've got all the plays that catch out of that role and play more of that. We saw off Derek Wall is a much more pass catching full-back than what we had Roosevelt. Knicks I. I personally think it's expendable and for me, it's an east I would like to see whether that happens a whole nother. Question but I don't think electronic football man just because he spends the off season getting swale is enough to justify why we've got. We've got the race's there that we need. We do not need to keep him in whites in my mind what is valuable salary cap that we could be putting in to a project? The twenty twenty one when we know the caps going to be tied and bringing on A. A younger position there. So talked about niece. Anne repeat mommies. The Mask for you mark who's that? WHO's that played? The scored. This. Of thought about a little bit side just from a fan perspective in a personal. Decision I thought about. This this is ninety journal but Like to say, because that's a fun where decided what A. Tuesday skip. Let him have another guy I know we had lost in the preseason he went off he had about six fumbles folding interceptions. He went crazy so you'll obviously you won't be A. Big, Guy, he won't be at the very front, but he won't play a key role in special teams you might help out with. Medicaid is role. Yet it'd be good to see him have a bit of a guy but of ten because Last year I think the Neal John's actually picked him up afterwards. Bit for them to come back to US side. Skipper. He'll be like what shot outside. Yet this if into. It definitely definitely and I think think of right I think that skipper skip bring something different and obviously he was the dialing loss preseason and I think. That's something that we can laments a little bit the and it's very hard to talk about cuts in in Russia Mrs in to when you do have a situation where we haven't had an off season this why is that? We probably ideally like to say you know in applying getting those threats and playing against you know obviously the generally playing against the ones over the first team. Across our competitive bit. Opponents. But we do have a situation where you can save him in game like situations and. And the walls steel is enduring probably an excellent job replicating down there at Heinz field et these different to gain in compete against is and the realities for the preseason. There plays there that it's not about necessarily Nike in the team that you're you're playing with for example, before the steelers, there's someplace that no, they may be caught, but they will get that contract with another team in the league that. The might be going through rebuild. The might have salary cap issues themselves what have you so? I'm ready to take that looking chasing that one Lombardi steal his arm can afford to to develop that place. I think you're right there to gives an interesting one obviously having this is a prudent year for him as well but certainly look, it's it's definitely interesting to say what he can do this year agree with you. We don't have a lot of depth there and so these most for the roster with the depth that I'm I'm really hopeful about when he might be able to do. So, if you look at Living Luca Dom Mock Hilton of years ago he said the pricing games. Like they have. Quite a bit big impact in I for the fan base in America. Over the world we haven't seen that it's been very hard to watch side. Sometimes even People going to do about by disease ago it was a camp down as well, and now he's in the squad side yet just get this showed Oregon. Hundred percent one hundred. so you mind must play. For these team, which probably isn't surprised hugh mock because. Because I talked a little bit and. Plays out there as well. He does offer really good value at he's writing and. A. Now being about. Madam Twenty One. I've never played as much as I would like to Um. WE'LL GIVE YOU A. Bit, later, on Charlotte. The development there is what with these writing any any can improve quickly on how you gonNA play in how you use the my flavors, Isaiah bugs and the benefit that he brings to that defensive. Line. The idea that he can play across end position defensive positions where an online age where we've got. same time, but to play that interior defensive line as well. The versatility that he provides that position we've obviously only seen him through his rookie year is coming into. When we look at what Formulates say Kosta Lance Williams often talked about which was around Gina Pedigree befall months. He has that performance he's second year, but he does have that pedigree He's he's next Alabama Playa Nolan for the defense he was drafted in second in the sixth round that that's starting to see some of those. Potentially less Aotearoa West Productive Defense College Defensive Lineman, come in. You know he's sitting there at ninety, five pounds. So he's a little bit lighter than than something about offensive lineman. What that ideal is that keeps them a bit more judy in an accused Nazi this as well. and obviously. Obviously that visibility we sold that jive on hog drive benefits that that guy is well. So yet the made it's definitely around is boggs unexcited for season two. I think he's got an extra reason to compete. You've got Chris Warmly coming into the tain they're adding to that they can pay increase willingly is gonNA give him. He's pushing brought to the UAE. So I'm really excited for what for what that competition looks like. Again, for the steelers we nor the CAP, he's going to be an issue and on Wigan appropriately. Kate saying it because beginning be thinking is it is going to be an issue in the next couple of seasons particularly next season and with bogs he's got a four eastbound at four year deal g two, point six, million dollars contract. You know if we can stop getting that productivity out of him, we're to be in a really really good position for the defensive. Lineman. Yet that would be deemed. It surveys breakout was hidden lost year as a rookie didn't it didn't get too many snapped so. You know he didn't get too much chance apply on the Mark Tomlin side, it should be incumbent swinging Really too much about to be honest as a steeler Fan another little bits here in them on the field utahns bought is this second in we'll. We'll see what he can do. As we as we always do, we've taste we've sort of teased out when we're on Bads podcast live youtube loss wake we're GonNa Bring Thirst Jordan Berry. Stout of the week it's going to be a fact of the wake this give me a regular segment that mocks going to bring to us So. We're pretty exciting because pumpkins don't necessarily a crazy amount of different stats sold stat categories h wait. So you know we're GONNA save it mocks creativity creativity made segments. So he just with it. That's our second show and we're kicking off Joel Berry stats where have you for the listeners today? Yes. It's still a second choice to like I consider outside I rookies in a big family of. Football Pi it's about for Jordan. Barry. I thought I think what we should try and do is audit. Dimmer phone call eight, mile instagram something like that and see how well we can get. But we're GONNA capability that will affect every week until he comes on the shot. And then then we have. Three likes football. But one of the start with the Dick set foot. In probably he's. Post. Positive one out there some starting Jordan Berry like in Twenty fifteen. You did a seventy nine yard punt. In you believe that a seventeen yard punt knock seventy nine ads. Donna plus seventy, eight, seventy, nine. That's. Side. In like you know a little. Bit of bad but in that year. Twenty Day that was actually the longest punt the. Really. So you know you're GonNa, get the Guy Medal like six years and he's doing is he's banging out big punch like that like that's unreal. So we'll not with that and we're trying jump into things as it say applaud podcast progressives would knock that. 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We look forward to continuing to bring the segment to you and continued of inside some. Crazy woods down on. Sire said with that mock. That's that's a lot of our regular pots the shy but look. Obviously. Next week we'll be wrought before. The seals I gotta means new John's. Give, some gives them thoughts about what might be coming up in the next week relating to that game. And, just yeah. Any any any predictions about started seizing anything? We haven't covered on today shower yet. As. A lot of football fans around the world Dry America I. Think we're just really excited at full-back. So your therapist game coming back we've. Petty my Holmes and Watson Act at chase versus Texans aquatic salting like we need for bowl with football fanatics out to starting for that would be awesome to watch. I'm. Not One for that stop but hitting the. Better Waco saw why we've got the steelers, but it's Jones. steelers troubling to the giants fans in the state must be quite strange But yeah, like this like I said another podcast I think it's a big thing. This this year at defense is probably one of the best has is top five. Outside. The body go came middle stiffened this to a few PUTTS iphone Bay Tsa. I didn't hear anyone talk about stuff on to it like he's back. He's as a monster in the middle side that front full the bush in the middle are roaming around. It's like the back like I could talk forever about the statements. It just depends by turn up and play Some people are calling this on the giants game at trapped in by. Be a truck game was we don't know. Yet. but yeah, I'm looking forward to just of safer bowl again for us, it's going to be not am on Tuesday at pretty chosen I am. Yeah I want to say What Rush Daddy Dance to save up all. Voting point seventeen points you know we wanna see you run. It's going to be all the off Satan's put into action. And we we need to start one. Like as a fan base, if we don't stop one and I. Know. That's right and the but those pressure on Ben will stop. We'll start to go up. and. I think it's ruined to the neal because we pride ourselves on on a very, very good rush defense and you've got saquon Barkley coming off. You know what? He's the best season where he had a few injuries and he was back and forth you know while dimes get sees. Trotted acclimatize and get comfortable with with the start of Sei's twenty twenty he is going to be throwing a lot in the backfield So I'm really looking to guys like as you say, like normally don't WanNA privy to months ahead of next week's show, but it will be very she say you guys like Mike Helton's Coming to play and really could stopping that run. So gimme really really interesting one. We these day. Or a couple of hours from day now. The other one that I that. 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Whats it like to grow up in a town with only seven kids?

The Big Story

21:01 min | 1 year ago

Whats it like to grow up in a town with only seven kids?

"This one story about students who attend vasko more which is a kindergarten to grade twelve school located in a little place called red bay labrador. This is a story about those kids all seven of them. They are the only kids in town. The school they attend has if necessary a room for each of them. The town of red bay itself is small and and it's shrinking and while this story may be on the more extreme edges of the struggle that communities in newfoundland and labrador are facing it is by no means the unique and its challenges but it's also not without benefits especially if your kid who enjoys the doors enjoys freedom or if you're someone someone who could benefit from some one on one work with the teacher every day or if you're a kid who isn't really picky but their friends because you're probably only only getting one so what is lifelike as a kid in a town where there are seven of you and what is life like for everyone in a town that might or might not be dying but isn't going to turn into a ghost town without a fight <music>. I'm jordan heath rawlings and this is the big story. Katy dobbs is a reporter and feature writer at the star. I katie jordan. You went out to <music> red bay labrador. Tell me about it. It's a beautiful community. It's on the south east coast of labrador and to get there you have to we flew into deer lake <hes> and then we had to drive three hours three and a half hours north to this town called saint barbe newfoundland on the north coast and then it's a two hour ferry the ride <hes> across the strait of belle isle and when we were there in may there was still some ice coming down from the arctic that basically made that ride about three rian half hours because it was impossible for the ferry to get in for a while. It's all i'm saying is that it's very far away remote and once you get there across you land in long long sublime quebec and then it's an hour north there on the road and it's this really rugged part of the labrador coast <hes> lots of rocks lots of hills also a few trees but mostly it's quite baron. You can kind of see everything <hes> in this town. Which is the thing that stood out to me the most. You cannot hide from anybody here if he wanted to. How big is the town so it has changed since i started reporting on this story. When i first started making my calls there were one hundred forty nine people who live there <hes> as as of the summer there are one hundred and forty five and the mayor of red bay <hes> it's so small that she knows every single one of those people and she knows why they left <hes> she she knows all the statistical information she can assign like personality to it so when i did find out you know we're down for people. There were a couple of deaths. A couple of people moved away. What drew you to read back. It was a story that <hes> the started a big series on climate change this year and i was going to newfoundland to see how l. a. Historic site was affected by climate change and in doing some of that reporting i had learned that this community that i was going to read bay <hes> that has this great <hes> basque wailing site from the sixteenth century was it had some erosion there so we were going for that reason and as i was talking to the mayor head of time she just told me you know about the the fact that there were seven kids in the school and right away. This was not what the story was about that. I was supposed to be writing about but i was really fascinated by this and so i thought i if i have time on there. I'm going to try and do this so that's kind of what drew me to this story but the actual reason for going to red bay was a different story altogether well. It's funny because you mentioned the mayor arnott's everybody by name so tell me about all of the kids so unfortunately when we were there several the kids i think it was two out of town for a wedding and and i knew this that's like almost thirty three percent of the kids exactly and i it was funny. Once i knew this conversation i could drop this with other locals like oh yes of course so and so they're you're out of town for a wedding and of course to show that i can kind of fit in and i know what's going on but the seven kids in the school i met three of them and it was quite by accident president. I mean you can run into these kids at any point really when you're going around red bay we had seen <hes> so i was there with tougher from the star richard lawton's and every day when we were eating our breakfast we would see these two boys waiting for the bus outside of our window and so there is a bus that takes seven kids to the school and these two kids were there and we would see them on a._t._v.'s after school kind of had the run of the town the mayor told us you know if you want to talk to these kids. There's this <hes> great girl named tiffany pie. She's she's very smart. We'll go meet her so we go to the park to go meet tiffany and these two kids on atv. They're already so they come in and they talk to us it. It was interesting because i'm sure i don't know about you but i've had a lot of chances to interview kids and it's hit and miss right <hes>. You never know what you're going to get and sometimes people are just shy. These kids were very. I would say like mature <hes> and i think maybe it's because they're surrounded by adults. These great conversations about what it's like to be a kid. There and i just didn't feel like i wasn't pulling teeth. It was happy to talk to me and i found that really interesting why we wanted to talk to you too because when you learned that there's only seven children in a school from like kindergarten to grade twelve. I want to know what that schools like. I do too and i tried to go. I wanted to go into the school. That was my first instinct. Ankle was not in session nobleman. We were there. It was may so the school was in session but i got in touch with the school district and they just said no. That's not going to happen and so. I said that's fine. I can get that would be disruptive especially flake even just for these seven kids right lake so it's funny. A lot of people are fascinated by this people. I've talked to and that's the first first question they always ask and the kids that i talked to love it there. <hes> they have this freedom they have this sort of old fashioned childhood that i i mean is is not old fashioned to people who are living in small towns or rural communities where you do have this sort of trust within the community that people are looking out for your kids and you know everybody and you can kind of let your kids go out and play. That's what this is and these kids like. The two boys were ten and eleven years old so that's really nice you know they have. Each other is each other every day. Eh they play playstation fortnight the typical things you might do even in a city but then you know they go berry picking in the summer and you make jams it to me. It just sounded like it was. It was a time warp in some ways <hes>. It's just very quaint they're also. They're outside all the time you know on their a._t._v.'s on their arrest mobiles. So how does the town end up with only seven kids. I'm assuming it used to be larger what happened so it was never a huge community. He like many places in newfoundland and labrador. <hes> it started out its history is <hes> you know once. The settlers came efficient community so it's the the cod fishery was a big part of the industry there and even before the cod moratorium in nineteen ninety-two the fishery was on the decline and people want better for their kids. Kids were leaving going to school and saint john's never coming back that sort of in the story of a lot of towns in newfoundland and labrador. I think that population in nineteen eighty-six was about three hundred and fifty people that was the peak so it's about half of that now so a lot of those losses started coming in the late eighties early nineties and they've just not stopped so it's just mostly opportunity. There's no industry to bring people back although they do have a tourism industry there in the summer yeah because of that historic site that i was i was going to visit that provides some jobs in some some businesses but it's so seasonal. What do the people who live in red bay feel about kind of watching. The town shrank around them or they used to it. Are they just accepting because i was there talking about climate change like the historic site for the most part i only really i talked about this issue with the mayor and some of these kids and the mayor is very much used to this. She knows she's not in denial at all. She would say to me. You know we're an aging community. We're we're dying community <hes> but she never could see a point where red bay wouldn't be there. She said i can't imagine it and i don't want to people love this town. There's a reason that they live there. They love the you know the serenity the ruggedness of it but they are very aware of how isolated it is and how you know the opportunities aren't there for young people so it's something that is part of their life but there there are a lot of things to be positive about community because there is the tourism there and there's lots of other things going on but it's it's something that i think is in the background of of everything right like this place is aging <hes> and it's it's data day. It's something that if you're growing old in red bay you know you have to be very aware of your own health because your health like the hospital if you're having chronic issues or anything that would involve golf surgery is over a newfoundland. You know there's a health center nearby but you really have to be careful of that and i think it's it's something that the infrastructure concerns earns are always kind of top of mind for them. Will what do the kids think of that. You mentioned him at the two boys be also mentioned tiffany who she so tiffany is the only fourteen year old around the community. She was one of two grade eight students. When i was there and the great eight year <hes> the other student was at the wedding so so they are they are and like she said to me. We are all friends because we have to be. We all get along. She said you know it would be nice to choose your friends but i i can't and so this is just what it is <hes>. She did tell me though like one of her closest friends is her cousin who's twenty one years old and lives in the town so that's quite an age gap fourteen year old and a twenty one year old <hes> but you know tiffany loved it and i i was kind of surprised because i thought you know being teenager in an isolated community that might be something thing that that that would make you think i wanna be in a city. I want to be near the action but <hes> tiffany said that she just loved the piece of it and you know she's been to bigger places and she said eh. I don't know if i was in a school with lots of kids like i wouldn't get the same sort of feeling that again red bay you know there's no stress here <hes> and that was a huge thing that they talks about in the school. There's only seven of them so it's it's kind of a collegial atmosphere like no one has to put up their hand to go to the bathroom. How do they handle that like can practice. Do they tell you how it works with. You know different learning levels obviously yeah so. It's like if you've ever been in like a split grade class right. You know the greatfloors yours. You're gonna work on this. While i teach the great fives this lesson it's like that but writ large over right from kindergarten to grade eight so you you know you have to be good at being an independent learner but i also talked to one of the parents who said her son is really flourished in this environment because it's like private school. You're getting like one on one you you know help but then there's problems too because you know if you're teaching sex education to a grade eight student and you got a kindergarten you know in the class like it right there. There's this practical practical. Problems in gym is a problem same same issue with age gap. Tiffany told me that when they have jim days or gym classes is where they're going to do something. That's a little more intense. <hes> you know the <hes> kindergarten student would go out with a student at a student assistant. Just bounce a ball. What one the moms told me that. I kind of want them all the play together for the record. It's it's really funny because when i was in the park with them it's it's very cliche but i'd say like you guys. Don't even have enough to feel to baseball team right right. <hes> as i remember being a kid and you know that was the fun part of jimmy. Go play soccer baseball. You can easily make two teams. I never it's something i just assumed i just assumed every kid had <hes> and so and i grew up in a small town so i get it but nothing like this. This is just it's a whole other world what happens when tiffany finishes grade eight and the other great to. I guess it's interesting. This has changed since i was there but when i was there in may they basically weekly told me that after great you can only do your high school courses in red bay online through this distance learning course that the school district has and so you log in when you go to live courses on the internet so there's a teacher there okay and you're kind of plugged in <hes> through your computer and you can do this. You go to your you know red bay. It's called basque memorial school on you. Sit at your computer <hes> so there's that option or you could move actually kind of reminded me of the end of green gables books sort of series where like kids go away to school. <hes> you know and leave communities but that was not something she wanted to do. At that point she said i want to read bay <hes> and take the video cloud video video classes. This is home. I'm going to do it but since i've been there <hes> the t the parent community has kind of come together and said you know we think it's better if our older kids ads bus over to another community. It's about an hour down the coast in las lou where there's a school that has more kids because maybe the one hundred fifty kids <music> but there's like you know high school teachers right so we bust three of them down and that has been approved so red bay this year and the school there will be four students so it's going to high school yeah. They're going yeah. It's like actually junior high so there any babies that are gonna join school. Yes i've got it on good authority that there are about seven children in the pipeline which is huge huge. I was actually surprised by this just to hear that yeah yeah doubling the population so that's in the next few years you know things could change and i know like in talking with the one parent who kind of spearheaded this plan. She was inspired by the fact that that one student had moved away to this other community for high school and you know they they were hearing about all the opportunities she had she was playing sports. She was joining academic clubs. You know she had all these friends and they wanted that for their kids. You mentioned that the mayor can't imagine there ever not being a red bay just to ask the question what happens if it keeps shrank. Is there a threshold beyond which town becomes unsustainable and what happens then yes i i spoke with the <hes> the provincial department of municipal affairs and environment and they the are the department that is in charge of community relocation and what they do is they wait for a community to come to them and say we can't do this anymore. We're interested in moving and it's it's done on a case by case basis. This has been historic precedent in newfoundland labrador just because of the way the community has been scattered <hes> <hes> it's a it's a province that's been known for fishing and it used that was the the way that you did it. The economy of scale just made sense to have many people scattered around and have big families families <hes> and so much has changed since that was economically feasible so now it's it's a huge problem and it has been for decades and premier joey smallwood was kind of he's kind of synonymous with this idea of relocation a lot of it started happening in the fifties and sixties and seventies and and it <hes> i mean even the mayor's husband in red bay is from a relocated community just off the coast henley harbour which was longer there so it's interesting. It's like a ghost town. It's there you can leave your buildings and it's changed in the past in the fifties and sixties <hes> people actually would move their homes so there's these incredible images <hes> in the archives of people putting their homes on like barges and floating them away <hes> somewhere else but now the government says you know you can keep your home. You can go back. Use it as a cabin but just know that we're not giving you any services. There's no roads you know the healthcare. There's no garbage. There's no electricity and yielded. Stop living on the land. Can you live on the land so this is you know something. That's been going on for decades now. It is a process that has so many hoops to jump through takes years. You have to get your community unity onside yet to meet a ninety percent threshold jump through all these hoops so what char <hes> if anything i guess the people in red bay doing to ensure that it won't get to the a place where they even have to contemplate that it's a question of attracting industry and it's a question that's really hard. I think for them to answer a talking to the mayor. She said that that's what we need but because of the remoteness of that place <hes> it's hard to attract industry there is something that so many towns are grappling with and some of the geographers as i talked to said if we knew this answer you know we would happily give it out. Immigration is obviously a solution but i think in the so the economic mike region where red bay is. It's called a labrador straits. It's about sixteen hundred people and as of the last census geographer told me there's about twenty to thirty people. Oh there you know who have come from another country so it's not you know a booming place for immigration. There's it's it's hard. It's hard to it's hard place to move to write because you are so far away and if you're looking for those supports as a newcomer joe you know you can see why city would be more attractive. I don't know it's something that i was thinking. It was all the time when i was there because it's this remarkable landscape like really nice people <hes> just beautiful place and it reminded me of kind of well we were there when game of thrones thrones was ending landscape looks a lot like the north of game of thrones like you could see it. You know i was even saying this to the mayor afterwards being like you know i could just see this as like you get a film board here you know just in my own mind. Diva period pieces are pretty popular right right now but you know you know. She's just kind of chuckled at me because i you know i think all of these ideas have been looked at probably by people <hes> it's just there's the forty first person to suggest that to mayor after game of thrones. She was like i get it. Yeah we could be yeah. You went on a hike up that hill and we get so no. It's ah tourism is a big part of the solution. I think to <hes> but it's so seasonal that it's a problem when you were there because i know you went there to cover climate engine and this this story clearly. We made an impression on you. Did you think about what your life would be like if you live there or moving there or any of that yeah. I think it's human nature every time you go somewhere to picture yourself there. I would love the serenity of it but i don't know that i could live in red bay first off. I wouldn't be able to probably find work their local newspaper. There are local newspapers papers <hes> for the region so maybe i could you know maybe i should move to read. It was really beautiful but <hes> for me. It's just so far from everything i i no and it's so remote that i just think i would be. I think the isolation is kind of appealing in some ways but also kind of terrifying to me just being that far away and also it's it's it's interesting all the things that you do take for granted even like amazon delivery charges <hes> to a place like red bay are out of control of course <hes> <hes> and like they all walmart has like a flat rate delivery fee so you know there's there are ways to live there in two thousand nineteen that are very you can get access a lot of things that you couldn't you know in earlier generations but i i did love it like i doing the interview having an interview with the with the kids in the park that one night i went on the swings with tiffany and i just had so much fun and i kind of felt bill of freedom that i hadn't felt. I don't wanna say in years because that sounds very sad but i just is felt very at peace. There and i think a lot of people feel that <hes> it's just whether or not i can make that work long term. I'm not sure what terrifies me the most about it because otherwise otherwise it actually sounds like an idyllic lifestyle. I don't think i want to live somewhere where everybody knows who i am. This is the thing tiffany said to me. You know news travels fast here. If you screw up up people are going to know about it. <hes> you know there's no hiding from things <hes> you do have to kind of get along or if you get mad at your friend. That's that's that's your friend. I guess you'd have to you know make up when your friend pretty quickly because everyone has to come together and help out. Thanks katie no problem. He dubs reporter at the star. That was the big story. You can find us at big story podcast dot c._a. That was our first episode assode ever on newfoundland. It's better late than never thanks for your patience. You can also talk to us on twitter and complain about how late it was the big story f. p. n. 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The Kist & Solak Show #65: Eagles Upset the Bears!

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41:46 min | 2 years ago

The Kist & Solak Show #65: Eagles Upset the Bears!

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Good. Smallwood decides to superman leave for two point conversion on fake fully special that probably was correct. But was right after golden eagles traded third pay for scoring four touchdowns went back of quarterbacks who Phoenix falls like what do you what do last sixty seconds of that game were psychedelic? They were trippy. I was hallucinating. It was the intersection of forty five cosmic realities don't eight. Eight galions. It's the only way we're all going to live forever and Ben alluded to it. But the eagles win because they're up sixteen fifteen and shreve on Hester partially blocks that ship shot field goal from Cody Parker survive and advance parkey bang. No his name used to plant doing brother. Is every day. Is this a good day to be alive up? Great. I am also in shock. This is amazing hair. Here the candidates for highlights of my day. Number one, Cody parking missing the field goal to may be eagles win number to go on and Tate touchdown on fourth into number three. Mike quick never one recognizing me in the guts of Soldier Field. And like stopping may be like who are you? And I was on bed. So I I really love your podcast when I was like, what did you just say out loud to me? I Mike you been so proud of me. I did the tool like all. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. For sure like people like my podcast habits in my head. I was like these hands caught footballs. And then number four for the potential highlights of my incredibly, very good fantastic day was walking into the locker room and hearing vaunting Matic's, Corey Graham and somebody else linebacker. I can't remember moving their minds over the fact that two nine to Rico in was talking apparently an insane smack after that that kickoff return about how the game was over. And how Valey Joe boys about to go home? We'll guess what tunein you're going home or five I just remembered five which is tweeted about was Brennan Graham was asked what did he like mess with Cody bark at all like in the interim between the first the vice kick that made it and the mistake and Brennan was like, yeah. Bearing grabs a super happy guys always lives. Joe? I thought Cody Cody like don't over. Thank you manage just the game winner. It's all right. Take your time. You know what? I mean. I was losing brand Graham was still have Chris lungs dying next brand Graham, hold time. I'm positive. It's true. I've no doubt in my mind cause brand grams a huge, smacktalk, right? Meanwhile, Jake in said that he was talking a ton of trash just trying to get into his head. So Brandon grandma's like, though, worry both overthinking, you'll miss boy. The best quote about Cody parkey came from Jason Kelsey who apparently allegedly claims did not even know Cody buddy was the kicker of the Rams, which I do not believe. But if that was the case in and of itself Mendes, dude, it was a stellar experience that game from stem to stern, and here's that. I said this on the the preview podcasts for the game. All save here. Again, I really don't care very much. What the film looks like I'm probably picking the eagles to be the saints at this point. I don't know how you can expect this team to lose. I mean, I'm not likely am I saying they're gonna win the Super Bowl kind of like, that's how that works implicitly. But what I mean? More more seriously. Yeah, they're nine point underdogs to the saints. Does anybody think that means anything other than the fact that Philadelphia's absolutely going to take that to heart for a whole weekend to make a narrative out of it? Timmy journey was a spouse in this massive like we've been under dogs all season narrative. Is like objectively not true. But more interestingly just speaks to the fact that like this team is so comfortable in so welcoming being the six seed going into the one senior all like last year they had home field advantage here. They don't honestly it makes it worse. It makes it worse. It makes them nastier. Because now the point spread is even bigger, and they they experienced the antagonizing of the home crowd. It's it's ridiculous. At this team is so tethered to two ideas one that they are underdogs only the people in that locker and believe in them in that makes them strong number two. And this is the big in that Nick foles is winner. I have no idea how you're gonna convince this locker room that letting Nick foles walk slash trading. Make foles is the right idea. I've no clue and it's nothing against Carson. It's just you have to take a team that has at worst finished foreign one in the playoffs with a quarterback at their helm that he is in. Going to stick around. Like that's impossible. You're going to lose your hold on the locker room when you do that as a GM slash coach lash owner slash whatever it is. And then if you come out with Carson twenty nineteen and you start to struggle boy can get real very quickly this team, and you can tell it in the way, they talk about making you can hear it Nick when he talks during his press conference. I sappers press conference. I can't imagine what like anybody who'd be more empowering the play for the Nick foles like it's just when he speaks with so much earnestness, and he so genuine, and he's so interested in the people team like why did you throw the golden Tate forth into I saw Gordon's body language. And it seemed like he was really ready to make a play like how would you not want that? That's extraordinary, right? Just the amount of faith at that is up then I played a whole press conference from Nick foles for BGN radio special because the press conference was so good in. It didn't have much to do about football animal. Like, that's the one thing that Nick foles that has always stood out about him. Just him the purse. And of course, his teammates are going to respond to that only that like like you alluded to they've done it before since his second stint of EBay since being Philadelphia eagle. He is four and one of the play offs not to mention Doug Peterson by the way is four and oh in the playoffs. And I thought he did another masterful job tonight. Let down by some of the execution in the first half. There were five plays that I saw in the first half that were turning points in the game with be third down conversion or a drop in reception by trae Sullivan. They're five points in the game. That didn't go the eagles way that wasn't because Doug you dugout. Coach Neg Doug has never been out coaching playoffs. What to write wit? Like this game ended sixteen fifteen in my opinion should have ended eighteen fifteen confortably. I do not understand the window Smallwood confirmed or stand. Whatever was the ref is unclear a default. Like we were told from I'll always buy every commentator if the front nose of the ball touches the way touchdown. I mean to me I was very clear, but whatever Shelvin eighteen fifteen youth on the fact that trae Sullivan drop. What was the easiest interception of all time as eighteen twelve. And Nick foles, Chuck's a very dumb prayer into the end zone into quadruple coverage. I mean at eighteen six this is what we're talking about here. In terms of like the eagles outplayed the bears significantly end the scored as reflect that but this team in the playoffs is very very good. They execute incredibly wealth so many clutch play so many clutch receptions off of line is clearly taking a step forward in endure die games because you can translate it back into the end of the regular season. No team gets up for them like kill at all. And they're about to get a New Orleans Saints team who embarrassed them the lowest point of their season New Orleans coming off of a bye now going to be doing with the ex Super Bowl champions on a four-game heater six of the last seven being at their best. We have played their best football when they are underdogs. I I'm not ready to say yet. 'cause I want to. Into the film, but Mike I could easily see a game not dissimilar to the Vikings game of the playoffs last year. I could very easily see the eagles walking into New Orleans and only beating him. Panting him for four fours to me. It's not even remotely out of the imagination. I think the twenty seventeen twenty eighteen eagles ever got his hot as this team. Is right now they broke the barrier of the playoff win. They did it. They are now one of the four teams remaining left the NFC when the eighteenth remaining left who would want to play them at a lot of people said that Seattle was the most dangerous like wildcard team out of the four wildcard teams. It's obviously Philadelphia when they believe in themselves like this, how can you how could you want to play the defending Super Bowl champion when they just came out and outplayed the bears for sixty frigging minutes when nobody gave them a chance on the road. And they're gonna keep doing it. It's it's incredible. What this team has become since week fourteen when they were all but declared dead with a point six percent chance to make it's improbable. That were here. This team knows it's playing with house money. This team knows that everyone is doubting them. This team has been in this situation before and that means a ton for this team moving forward. Nobody on the eagles team right now is playing better football. The recycled Ugglas, what am fricking game was what that you are know how good of a gamer so had think about the times Douglas targeted. That's how goodly you can't think of it. Right. And Trubisky was looking at why they tried to go that way so zone, man. Coverage was fantastic quiet game for corners of the strongest gains corners like Mattis had allowed game. See you have some good blaze any ads mad blaze. Why gave us Douglas rule out of his mind Nigel Branam who started the season poorly index will game flying around the football. And Brad him. I didn't realize I was watching is their dime. Linebacker there. One linebacker sets. He is the linebacker on the field. He plays that roll over does. They said that's been going on since Hicks back from injury. So like Rodham was taken. That role when Hicks down. He's kept its six game back. Yup. Fantastic. Play in that regard. And then I think you had Brennan grim had several pressure something like that. He writes, I think that you have a little bit too much right now going into the like Ling Johnson. And and Jason shot Khalil Mack down. I don't really think they did. I think Khalil Mack had some winds and the ball got out. I think had some wins. And the, you know, there was an escape or whatever got some Wednesday led to like quarterback hits in like, you know, affected balls or whatever generally MAC didn't have a statute filling day, whatever. But I think the lane Johnson Jason Peterson gets a little bit bumped up in that regard. But it's what the what we talk about. All the time. The eagles a very good job of taking your best guy in limiting him through one way or another whether it be through security, whether it be through lane Johnson doing well against him Jason Peters or just by getting the ball quick or rolling away from him or like for instance, they did on that slice Zakar. It's having Erz block him for doubt use his yard them. Right up to quote, the me. That's that's bad way of saying that what we said. Podcasts. I'm very happy to to lockdown Cleal MAC and make a keen Eddie Goldman beat us and listen Hicks, did his darndest to beat us Hicks played out of his Ma. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He makes Akeem like Fletcher Cox had a great game mechanics. Had a better game better player. Akeem heck's was the best defensive lineman on the field tonight for either team takeaway MAC, you make akiem Hicks beach you and then it keeps. Yeah. Sure. He stuff in the run of the eagles are very unproductive in the running game. But he's not a guy who's going to have the same password. Perfect. That Khalil Mack is. And now all of a sudden, you have the ability to work the football. Yeah. There were times were Nick foles couldn't step up into the pocket earlier in the game, especially because it came Hickson Eddie Goldman. We're getting such good push. And just a quick shout out to this eagles defense as well. The bears early on his game. We're trying to attack the seems against cover one in cover three and they had some success, but crave on the Blunk a dog on good game. Had that big rebound at the end of the first half. He played really well the defense played really really well against those concepts. It wasn't till later on where the stuff that the bears had said up then they started running the the slug oh against it. Or they would run that bubble right? That fake. Bubble where you get the ending behind it. Right. And I'll tell you I'll tell you what the number one from them with that sort of thing is not trying to defend Maddox here or call back to a trope, which is really is the way that I think has work in regard. You want your corner to play aggressively into a ghost screening one in the playoff field into like if he died noses it great. But generally you just wanted to key in play on otherwise they're gonna pick up four yards on the bubble screen every plane, you're screwed because you want the vice tackle situation went inside outside leverage. Right. When you when you when you've got a slug. Oh, will you want your off corner? Who's a smaller guy to have to play grass if into that that's his strength. Listen, if you like Maddux having that near pick on the sideline where he should have caught it incredible play great Clinton close. Then you have to be okay with him giving up the touchdown gave up because it was very similar outbreaking route concept Mattis went to go close on it. And then once he felt the out on upcoming you tried to recover got the whole bassin appearance and it was a touchdown. Obviously. With time you become better picking your spots become better at situation understanding when it's going to be album out. But I'm just saying like, you know, you have to live and die by the sword a little bit. But when it comes to a lot of those isolation multi break rows, those go screens all that outside stuff. It'd be really really really helpful to have a free safe. You can take angle and Corey Graham can't take angle. I mean, they tried to play with trae Sullivan high for as much as they could in the second half. But eventually they had to be putting Graham up there and let LeBlanc play on the on the on the field in in nickel sats. They started. The game off LeBlanc off the field three safety sets, but Sullivan is such liability as a tackler end in coverage that they had to go back to the Blunk came out in the second half. And they're trying to leave trae Sovan single, high Graham jank is up in the field Maddox, and and what's his name Madison pursual and that'll be our solution. And they're not able to do that. So they gotta get Sullivan off the field. Put Corey Graham back there in Graham, just for the life of. Him can't get to the sideline. He just he's not at this point fast. He doesn't take good enough angles. You want your corner to play tight into that. Like go screen, for example, two verticals coming up. The field man's goes to split them. Which is a good way a protein that and then obviously behind him. But when you have a more proactive free safety can get connected to the sea than your corner can drop off their to the boundary vertical. And then you can make a better coverage opportunity over it. And they simply don't have that range of free safety right now. The biggest issue on the defense right now is is their ability to play single hind who's who's gonna be out there? That's obviously going to be something that you have to watch against the saints in the saints have a wide receiver. Michael Thomas that nobody has the bears don't have should say that being said Philadelphia went up against you under Hopkins. Anything a fantastic game plan for him. It was not dissimilar to the game plan. They had against Michael Thomas. However, they were much much more willing to code bracket. You know, top bottom Michael Thomas against the saints. And then also they wanted to double in bracket album. More on that left them one on one everywhere. Little safety help. I think they have to bracket. Thomas Nafti, more comfortable blamed, Kamara one when we when we move forward. Yeah. I mean, the the problem was and we can talk about it. As we go into the previews. But the problem was there was you bracket these two guys. And then the other guys don't win their match ups because at secondary was not with that secondary. Looks like now and Brad him was playing like he's playing like now as far as linebacker plays in coverage too. So the guys were able to win their individual matchups. They want a lot of their individual matchups this game. And I was watching the game with south galena. We were doing that booth casting where we basically the booth for the game. They were saying there's not there's not a whole lot there downfield for Trubisky right now. And he's anything that is there. He's really not saying and I wanted to kind of dial back to because this game was about two quarterbacks being put in bad situations. The eagles ran twenty three times for forty two yards. The bears are in eighteen times for sixty five yards. Like there was nothing there on the early downs especially for the running game for either team. And like you look at the stat line for Mr. Bisky, and it looks okay. Twenty six. Or forty three three hundred three yards and a touchdown. But he for very long stretches of this game was not throwing it very well and should have been picked off. And which should have been picked off a couple of times. And what's crazy is the eagles? And this is something we did not expect I said Trubisky the the eagles absolutely one of the keys to the game. Have to take advantage of the fact that Trubisky is going to throw them a couple. He threw them a couple. They did not pick them off. However, the eagles turned the ball is bears. Two zero tides in the eagles win. What what world by the way? How was your your broadcast because I didn't get to listen to it, obviously guitar. Oh, dude. It was amazing, man. Seth we. I thought we crushed it, man. I I had a blast doing it. And getting to announce the game losing field goal double poster. A just fantastic experience. I had the time of my life. I was letting 'cause I was in the slack channel. I was hitting veal g in re probably the channels while. I don't know if you've seen folksy revisit just say, man, I can't imagine kiss, right? Outgoing nuts over these interceptors. It was. His number one thing coming into the game was like listen. Why Trubisky gives them to you catch up and they drive out to Hugh ones. But it seemed like Maddux is like his left. Everytime said I keep seeing the replay. And I keep wanting to see that left foot. Just just dragged into foot. Never came down and trade, celebrating his chest rain is chess. And I'm thinking you this is on the first half these or the plays. You absolutely have to make a now you're trillion halftime you have to put your Bisky behind because you wanna put it on him. And they didn't make those plays in the first half in it cost them and they were down at the half six to three. And I'm thinking this game should be totally different right now. It should be totally different. Now L things turn out. Well, but mandatory Bisky give us some chances. And he was not good Trubisky through some seeds. Right. He had some great rose to there was some in for sure now. So he had a third along third-down comeback that he put in a really good and Corey Graham collision but the ball rive on time. It was a catch. That was Taylor. Gabriel. Right. Yeah. That was the next play was it was a downfield route down Robinson where he had huge window. And he was put it in there to me. It's not really a high quality throw. And then he had the touchdown on the hour enough to against Mattis, which was a fine throws through again into space, and you left it a little bit behind that CRA. Von the blonde pass breakups should have been. Touchdown that ball was last a little bit behind. He had another pass breakups situation where he left the ball a little bit behind. And then on the the penultimate drive for the bears as well. He had our notion me the drive the final drive. He had the one good throw. But generally speaking he was inaccurate. He was he had poor placement. He was thrown cashable balls. But he wasn't have great place. Relative to coverage for the entirety tonight. And not unlike Shawn Watson with whom he came out in the class. If he's in his I read a little pump fakes multi break routes gather protection. Great when he has to move his fee and adjust to a second target. It's really just not there for him when he has to think right completely freezes up. It's and it's why this we we've complained about this many times. Nothing drives me crazy when eagles defence is playing. Well, and the second is getting pass breakups in this pressure. And then there's some easy completions. And offenses to move on the eagles and played people. Ask for the past brushes nine times out of ten the pass. Rush is exactly where it's. Did. But the I read is being taken away. Like if you want your team to be a pass rush successful team who wins on defense because of the pass rush. Literally. Like, the what's the number one thing you need to pass rush. The ability take with I read because that's it sense teams know that the Philadelphia Eagles are going to try to beat them in the past rush. Then try to get pressure on them. They're trying to win with four trying to rush the quarterback. That's how defense wins. They're going to try to feed the ball of the first have a low time to throw we've talked about this thousand times, so bash rush was there for four quarters fashion. Never went anywhere of automatic started getting burned and again a vantage of applying stellar football rookie fourth round corner. Who's out there playing outside corn after you played free safety after his supposed to be a slide in camp? So like, it's okay. Those shots were really well set up by Nagy like they really push those slight. They're hitting them slight flat, slam slam flat getting them getting them to bite on them. And then they hit him over top. I mean, they really that those up. Well, but now, I fully agree in the sense that you're Bisky had the flashes that excites you. A lot of developments left there to be done. And if we flip it now foles I thought this was probably the worst game Vos is played in the second half of the season. In terms of his chargers game was better Houston, Texas game was absolutely better the Rams game. So Rams game Texas game Redskins. This is worse. Game. Eagles one does great situation is really right. When your team can win when your quarterback doesn't have a great day lake now, a foles plays better the rest of the team places way. Sick. The eagles are going to be like a continually stellar dean, which they have been there were five legitimately five plays that turned this game. They got to a first down conversion the bears did on a penalty. There were two in one drive or drop interceptor five point to that could turn the tide. And at the very least turned the game script in this game for that to happen in the first half for a team. That's a big underdog and to still come up with the win if they play clean game. They can beat a lot of teams in the NFL right now. I would say just about all of them again. Like, how could you? I. On page turnovers. Two turnovers Ealesy loss turnover battle by two. How dare lost to turn over and law lost turnabout law won the turnover battle and lost all year. I that's crazy. They were undefeated. We're gonna turnover battle this year. And as you mentioned they were the best defense in the league creating turnovers. So like. Why don't we will never die like invincibility? Turning from from Zuhdi at Trubisky to foles the offensive game plan wise, I was ranting a little bit about this during the game worth ranting about it here. Mike, we love twelve personnel. And always when we talk about personnel. It often gets conflicted with formation like, oh, this is like a twelve percent formation. You don't have to have certain formations out of twelve personnel. Why that important distinction because personnel in and of itself is indivisible. It's not like. All right. Twelve percent of the is gonna win. It's twelve personnel. This is generating the matchups that the eagles want. The eagles played very little twelve personnel tonight, which we talked about the bears being a team that face very little twelve persona as we said could be good because Phil if you come out and give them a bunch of looks. They don't know come out force them to stay in base. Keep third linebacker on the field, which number forty seven. They're outside linebacker, Isiah Irving was the guy who came out quite often for them. And then they can attack him that regard or maybe on film. They've seen with bears doing is twelve personnel. That don't wanna go out there like that. We talked about. Alshon Jeffery me have a big game because the bears are gonna give you backside man coverage. And if you can take advantage of that win those one on one match up, you can move the football. And we saw some of that. Yeah. So Philadelphia won that match very clear. The entire first drive was backside man beaters Hofer strive which was really cool to see because I was like, yeah. That makes sense not they ran the whole drive out of eleven whatever it was that. They wanted to get on the field for the bears a team that lost their slug quarantine injured. Reserve team who was putting out there, you know, charity McManus was out there for a little bit. He went down John who's Houston. Carson fourth safety added come out there for a little bit play some coverage reps. He was able they're able to pick on him eleven personnel Gotha the match if they wanted the backside man coverage and after that first drive was the bears had stayed in one one coverage on the backside constantly they started leaving the safety on top of that not true double coverage. But instead of rotating to cover one rotating match coverage to like three. Reside. They stayed in true split field. So they had a little bit of help over the top of that one receiver. Philadelphia responded with a few more outbreaking rows of humour just like little quakes last stay in front of that safety. But Philadelphia was able to get that backside matchup for the whole game in a wasn't just differ either. 'cause I mean, they saw with no sin to on that on that comeback for the first down as well. So they were getting it with guys Zakar multiple times. Acuras back. There is an isolated flex tight end. And then you have them doing that. Then Philadelphia on the final drive comes out significantly more twelve personnel. But maybe running for the whole game. Right. When they're when they're down by five and they're coming out with nub tight end sets, which means three wide receivers off to one side or was in a tight end off to one side off the formation. And then one time end in line on the opposite side, no wide receiver outside of Minogue tight end. Very very very very very frequently forces teams into coverage because it's truth run and pass strength reads. The running back on the same side as that. Now, you've got two receivers potential to that side. And you know, you're getting usually cover through look to that side and Philadelphia walked up the field. They had the little screen completion. Dallas Qatar incredible cash. They had insane. Zach earth's catch as well. On that drive where he caught it when he was in traffic, and he was dealing with all that nonsense. And then they also have the Nelson galore catch run, which was a little flat. I a flat ideas. Well, they very heavily leaned back on the cover three curl flat conflict. Concepts that we've been talking about even writing about from bleeding green on that final drive out of personnel. Look like what they done all season because they knew they could get the match ups. They wanted to in terms of forcing the bears into that zone. Coverage. Eddie Jackson, playing was absolutely huge in that regard. So personnel is valuable in that it dictates matchups matchups are team specific they are game specific Philadelphia's twelve personnel numbers likely for the first time in five weeks will be going down into the game. They will be they will be on the decrease. But Philadelphia got the match ups. They wanted with six three Sean Jeffrey against five eleven six foot. Kyle fuller and prince amukamara, and they want them in here able to move the football in that regard. So yes, we can't be twelve personnel. Because we love the match of nightmares. Creates the match of nightmare for this game. As we discuss on the podcast was that backside man coverage Philadelphia identified it and attacted that's great offense game planning like we said, baby. Doug Peterson doesn't get out coached the playoffs. At a lot of those who tight end sets. We saw the why wing double wing that like the running. They were trying to punch of runs of the middle. All of those were just getting stuff by game Hicks, Eddie Goldman to relate than had a good game. Roquan Smith with the interception, which wasn't fulls as fault. Like, you could nitpick and say he could he could put it out a little bit in front of Smallwood, but roquan Smith came in rip the ball at the ball. Just lands in his in his laughing. That was a I thought that was foes fall for sure foles luck. I read saw the God. It was capped going down the scene and immediately turn to his check down burp the baby which basically bra roquan Smith right to it. And then through an an Acura bowel was inaccurate. But it was like an egregious throat in go right to Smith. It went to Smallwood first roquan Wintel rip it out. And just so happens that land on front of you know, in him. It wasn't a interception worthy. Throw in my mind. I didn't like the whole process, but you get what I'm saying. It's not I session where. Session where they find some really through throat right to win into small woods breadbasket. Then I'm just saying like it was it was I compared it to the earth's interception three against Houston where he just led the seeking to his check down over a it was a more accurate throw. Absolutely. The taxes was more. Inaccurate. I'd go whatsoever. But if you're gonna lead the linebacker down to the check down to lead him down to the curb. I'm a hit clear where you're gonna go better ball. That's all I'm saying on Bono. Yeah. No. I'm not saying it was perfectly accurate. I'm saying if you wanna make picket than yeah. It wasn't a great throw. So fun fact. Yeah. Philadelphia ran the exact same route concept. They ran against the bears in twenty seventeen scored touchdown and is on a game twenty eighteen spot the spot concept with the comp around instead of the quarter out which would normally come this concept. Yes. Which finding on my time line, we we can describe it or you can find on my time. I one of the two whichever you wanna do I retweeted as well. On my time line to great job Dallas gutters at the top of that route. So what you have is those two short routes spread out and you get that horizontal stretch. And then you get the vertical stretch you've got the match up with Goddard and Adrian MO's. And of course, we're gonna you know, this is a little all twenty two that we usually save for the all twenty two show, but it was awesome. Play by Goddard at the top of his route being physical turning his man Amos towards the outside. And then having access to all of that space to the inside good trust row by by foles. I think he let it go before he got out of that break. So really awesome to see Dallas Goddard coming through in a big moment in the playoffs. And also the eagles using concepts that have worked for them in the past that they used very sparingly. I will say you see the pop up every now and then but Doug Peterson dialed that one up, and it was a winner for him again as it typically is with that concept. So Ben anything else you want to get to before we go to three words ninety why they kick the ball. To to recount made. No sense to me at all. And it was short and was high and he caught on the run. And I'm thinking that's not a great idea. The last the opposite of things you want to do a day. Sean hall had had them and just completely whiffed on them. But then having to Recode in is that really often, you don't, you know? Right. I think that what did what did you think about this? The before the eagles scored the touchdown going into the phone good. They call a time out. They have three time out there on the two yard line. They have three timeouts if they don't make that fourth down conversion they still have three times to us to try to get the ball back. They said note, they call a time out. They were all in on that and committed from that moment like this is it sure. But if you feel like you don't have the play out up, right? And you want to have a conversation about what your veteran quarterback is seeing the call the time out. I mean, we're talking about tailgate you the fourth down you get three stops you. Call three times, I'm out probably get the background your own forty. With less than fifty seconds left with no timeouts trying to score touchdown again. You know what? I mean. Like, I it was very in the spirit of the Philadelphia Eagles under Doug Peterson to call time out and win the game on four th to like, that's what you do your down. There. Most score. You know what? I mean, the first and second down runs two things number one. Yes. You run on first and second down. Absolutely to me. That is an on question decision force the bears. You there timeouts if you can't score and third in two fourth day. You suck you should lose. As never to foles had the option to kill kill to a pass. If you wanted to it might have even been a pass originally he'd kill kill to a run. He was unclear in the presser, but he had the option to run or pass depending on the defense of look and both times he wanted to run and that was the best luck. And also it's worth noting. It's only a kneel down you can score on a running Blais. They didn't which is rising bears run defenses. Fantastic. I'm on. I'm not saying that. But you absolutely run those place and shortly after the third. Down failed score. Yeah. Everybody was getting a little skittish about that. I'm sure if they had us go forth out there have been huge question about it. But ninety nine times out of free. You absolutely run Navan for second down. You have to take the bears timeouts away. And they got down to thirty five and take the time to timeouts definitely not at all questioning the first two runs for this for the reasons that you stated you let the clock run. Let them use their timeouts. I mean, I was wondering at a minute thirty of the bears were gonna start calling their timeouts, and they let it run down even more. And I was like, yeah. Absolutely. You run the ball for the first couple of times there to take that time down make them user timeouts. Put Trubisky in a worse situation and put on him. And I agree the faith that you have that you're gonna make it on fourth down is incredible. So yeah, if you wanna have the right play call in there for foles, and it was really just a matter of Tate's on McManus. Tate's got leverage on throwing it's nice easy. Half field. Read the ball's gonna take him into the end zone by. Nature of the the Canucks everything. So. Yeah. Agree with that. I just thought it was strange when they first called the tight out on like, well, this is it right here. There is no second chance. There is no coming back from this. You're gonna have to live or die by this decision. That's what Doug Peterson has always done. So I agree with you there. Ben. Let's get to three words, obviously, the first one from Joe hashtag grow gotta go at show g for three the double dunk. Then let me tell you my butthole got so tight when it hurt it when a halo I post, and then I saw it hit the second one. Unlike the camera did like like a jerk thing, you couldn't tell which way the ball was moving with was going forward or backwards. And you just see it land in the grass in front of thing. Wouldn't incredible experience? Oh my God. Trayvon Hester, the second highest graded defensive player in the second half of the season for some rally death row that bag. Jamie FOX at Gerry, and then a bunch of stuff who's our our friend military friends says join doing game, which is a very good description because that kick took a year and a half the fall serve. And especially when I was watching when when when it hit the crossbar. Oh, it's going off the crossbar. Why do enough across bar one hundred going by Ronning gyro who's become a favorite? He was funny joke. Agile what Greece the polls, which we don't have any home playoff games this year, but Greece polls, anyway, we're probably gonna cause problems of and then also which is wonderful to me are cousin Vinny at the big kit sleeper agent Codey, which I really wanted. Chase Daniel's the end of this game said it could have been chase. Daniel Cody parkey, paying back the eagles for their misplaced faith in them. And losing the game for the bears parking was enough there to in here with pictures attached. That are pretty funny. Rodney Jackson at buffalo. Bernie. Looks so familiar in. It's a picture of Sean McVay with his mouth like wide open in amazement as we're really kick. Things off for the eagles. Al filling ham at L filling ham by bears, and it is a picture of everyone's celebrating. And also Jeffrey is looking to the crowd waving to them his former Lana place of employment. But when you another good picture what Mattie France, seventy seven Matija franscisco. No one no words. It us zero to three words, but he's got Sandra Bullock's per box blindfold recorded Parke's on fair to Cody because the ball was tipped. But it doesn't change the fact that it's kind of funny Ridgewood at teddy underscore Ridgewood tickled SCR abyss. That's interesting. I like that mesh toys, really, what was the name that. You're all. No. Yeah. No. No. That was. Yeah. Till new brisk. That's what it was. Now, he's not at full Ticha level yet. I'll be to see what happens has there. Been some who've suggested that the bears are gonna follow a similar trajectory and twenty nineteen as the Jaguars twenty eight. Eighteen in terms of they have an inconsistent quarterback behind them. Right. Got a lot of their successes. He's was predicated on defense, which is not a super sticky season to season strength. Like defense doesn't always carry into the next season as well. I would argue at the biggest difference. There is going to be the play designs of Matt Nagy who I really think is tremendous young coach that's gonna make a difference for the bears, but tickle tickle has not yet into existence. He still Mitch Trubisky. Only barely he is not yet risky think about this. This is still goes we talk about Mr. Bisky allot McGee him some crap. This is still Mitch trubisky's to sophomores campaign. It's his first year with this new offense and less in which I talked about I playoffs star quarterbacks. I plas advice for three this year. I mean, it's very very listen. You wanna who else losses? I playoff start. Nick foles. Von hasn't lost a playoff start sense. Nick foles. Hero. Oh, man. I'm telling you. It's really hard not to buy into this team. Even as a fan, not gone Lee man is covering the seem is an amazing experience. There's so many surprises around every corner, and they make you they just pull you in dude, they pull you in. We thought this team was dead dead dead. I tell you and yet here we are going into the divisional round playoff game against New Orleans. Saints van Admiral cramp is poor kids at frozen with awe. Instead of an says Brent this is Owen the birds Runcie's go marching in against the rules. I knew to kid against this every time none has no messing around. I lend for me syllable slide sometimes, but no don't you dare. That seven words UNIFIL. Anybody by changing how you presented it. You watch yourself. Mitchell at I'm not Jeffrey brings this up which I think is is crucial talk about the new norm. Doug Peterson such good head coach. So good for no else. Baby team is impossibly. Well, prepared right. Like you. They talk about what went into that fourth to call in the amount of work that they went into that call and the the relationship he's got with foale's out there in the belief that he's gonna Tate who obviously hasn't had a great tenure Philadelphia. I mean dogs just stellar stellar head coach man what a fantastic coached game from Monday to Sunday. You know, what I mean, just like in terms of preparation execution in a moment, man. It's fun watching this team. It's on watching Doug go, a member member many people were positive he sucked like a month ago. But it's fine. What's crazy is? This is the second time. He's done this with his team. When all was lost last year after went down. The one consistent strong voice was Doug Peterson. And I was shocked with how calm and cool. He was about everything. It's just who he is. Emotional in. Let's go Ben. He's a chip Kelly with a heart. Thank you as always for listening. So I show here on ESPN radio the Mike quick approved syndicated PGN radio guest. And so like show shut out. What a tremendous game. What a tremendous time. 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Episode 222 | We All Have Statues Of Each Other

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Episode 222 | We All Have Statues Of Each Other

"Aw this is the podcast. I'm your host for this week's episode Paul. JC once again filling. In for the magnanimous Mike Rapin. Who is back from Japan who back to the show shortly? But until. Then I'm in the captain's chair with my co pilots for this episode Kerosene Barsky and Brian Ryan Murray. Welcome to the show guys. I'm excited for this week's topic before we get there once again. You have to answer the questions that the listeners. I want to hear every week how you been. How Comic Book Spin? And how was your Halloween Sir with you Carol. How is my Halloween so a few of my friends were asking could be like? Are you doing anything for Halloween. And I had to reply. I work at an elementary school. The entire day is Halloween. Why would i? I have energy to do anything else after that so it was. It was actually such a mess because So the little the little kindergarteners were doing their little costume parade for their parents. But I had already spent the whole day like going to like all the classes and taking pictures of all the kids and like going to multiple class parties. His life is hard sometimes and then it was like the end of the day and the kindergarteners were parading around our field for their parents to take pictures and I sat down on the field to take some pictures like at their there I level and then I was like oh no. I don't think I can get back up again on this field now. No it was just like sitting on the field and I was like Cara. There are literally one hundred parents behind you with their phones out taking pictures. You cannot just sit on this field so But I was. I was dressed like ray from star wars and half half a ray costume from what I went to Galaxy's edge over the summer and I did my hair with like the three buttons and Which is actually a simpler hairstyle to do when when you think you just have to be willing to compromise structural integrity of your hair and use like actual plastics to hold everything in place? Break a lot of hair strands when those come out but like it held all day and Nobody knew who I was like. Some of the teachers did but all the kids were like. Who are you and I? I was like well well thirtieth child today. I've seen dressed as ELSA. Let me tell you all really. Oh yeah because the frozen to is coming out and Thanksgiving so dizzy was like oh This movie is coming out in a month. But you can still wear the Halloween in costumes so like literally. Every girl at school was a Disney princess and most of them were also of course. So that's that's how my Halloween was And then in terms of of comics this week I've had a book sitting on my shelf for probably three years now now and haven't gotten to it but this week I was like Cara. This is the week you have to read this book to see if you even like it or not and it was teenage mutant Ninja turtles volume from one. Change is constant which I guess is the latest Start the start of the latest Teenage mutant Ninja Turtles ongoing being from ID W and I had like read some some micro series and one shots from this story line but didn't realize is that it was part of a larger story because I think I talked about one of those on the show a few months back and I was like I am confused worse. Rafael and Nick was like let me tell you and I was like Oh okay Missing like fifty issues got it got it got it. So this is the start of all that and it's basically a reimagining of the origin origin story of the teenage mutant Ninja Turtles where they get commuted but Rafael get separated from them almost immediately immediately so the first two years of the turtles being sentient is them looking for Rafael in Rafael is like off somewhere with Amnesia and almost immediately meets. It's up with Casey Jones and then they're just like knocking skulls together because of course and It was interesting seeing such a thorough thorough reimagining of the story and done in such an intentional way. Because I'm used to the origin story. That's just like the parody riffing off dare-devils hovels origin story. But I guess can't keep picking backing off a marvel thing if you're publishing from a different company so But yeah like if you if you like. The teenage mutant Ninja Turtles. I think it's worth a read I they definitely had a lot of references to characters where it's like if you know stuff about the teenage mutant Ninja Turtle mythos. You're like ooh that dude that dude go on but if you don't you're just kind of like there's there's a lot of names in this and we get no explanation but April O'Neil's not a journalist in this at least yet. She's an intern at a science lab or the turtles are Being created which For for me was entertaining. Because it's a riff off of the Recent recent teenage mutant Ninja Turtle Movies which I am on ironically obsessed with and Megan Fox's April O'Neil oh neil is like talking about how like her dad was the scientists working in the lab where the turtles recreated and she's the one who named the turtles so they have like when they realized who she is. Is there like. Oh like you're the one who gave us our names in fed US pizza the first time and I was like guys know this stuff. It's yeah yeah so I'm glad I finally read it and when you're reading it it's one of those stories where you can definitely tell like. Oh this is not a self contained story. You're setting this up for a really long run. which they they have now done so right? Yep that's me. That's so interesting. You know the Tunisian the region in Ninja Turtles. I was the right age. It was the right time I was obsessed with the cartoon had all the action figures and I've never once a single comic book featuring the teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I've just never had any interest in it. I think that you would like their their first appearance because the whole thing started as a comic book parody right so I think that you would enjoy. Enjoy that in that The creators were like hey comics are nonsense right now. So let's make fun of that and go real hard on that so I think you you would like the one shot start to their adventures. Read the really original black and white and keep your eyes peeled for daredevil because you definitely see him nice okay. Yeah I wanNA have always been meaning to try so anyway. We'll check it out. Frankly though how I have had to concentrate on saying teenage in each mutant Ninja turtles this entire paragraph. Because one of my favorite post on. Tumbler ever is just text. Post where someone says to me needle. Titles and that's all I want to call them now this whole time. I was like to me as needle. Tito's means needle Tito's so I'm very proud of myself for not doing this whole explanation and now everyone else just heard that it's going to be doing that as well so perfect so yeah Brian how about you. How is your Halloween? Know what comics have been reading. Well Halloween for me was fairly non. Existent I didn't really do anything for work because I work for a giant corporation and we don't really have little kids running around in costumes. Actually there was was one small trial dressed as captain America. Who stole the hearts of my entire team? All this is Caitlin is first. Halloween is homeowners years and so I went whole hog on buying Halloween candy and Lake Getting Ready to hand it out and then it snowed all day on Halloween. Do we did not get sick. Trick or treater so pounds of Halloween Candy. Is it return of the worst thing. well wait a minute before I opened it eating. Oh man my mom said that she and my dad didn't have any trick or treaters either and she was. It's like really funny. The way she framed it to me she was like I missed a pilates class to come home and no one can ride and I was like Bob just watching star wars in my armchair waiting for kids show up. I mean all the side of bad way to spend a an October. Yeah that was. That was a great Thursday remain comics. Wise I stuck with the Halloween theme and read. Something is killing children number one. It's a yeah it's from James in the fourth with with art by Werther Dellera I think it is and colors. There's Bhai Michaela Muerto. This is a really cool book. It's all about it. Starts off of this kid. At a sleepover sleepover telling a scary story to friends. And then we cut to him being interrogated by the police and him just like repeating that like you. I made it all up. It wasn't real monster wasn't supposed to be real. And then we find out that all of the kids. He was having a sleepover with were murdered in the forest. Orest and the store the issue ends with the strange young woman arriving into town. WHO's like? Hey Kid you got a monster and I'm here to kill it so so perfect. Yeah Yeah it's it's really interesting. The the art and the colors especially do a really good job of conveying that sort of creepy oppressive feeling of like a small town in crisis. That doesn't know what's happening getting. I remember seeing this seeing the previews for this and for some reason I was more of a detective fiction type stories and realizes ahead this sort of supernatural horror film. And that's kind of interesting. Yeah and it it definitely does not pulling any punches on the Gore front very very clearly see you know kids who've been ripped them half of their guts hanging out and stuff so fun for the whole family. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I would highly recommend and our our listeners with strong stomachs checking it out okay. That's not me. I'm getting out just hearing the description. All right that's my level yet. Yeah I mean I think the title alone is pretty much a big red flag. So I know you're getting into and you're going to be buying a book called something that's killing the children. Yeah there's A. There's a huge two page spread Red Lake where afraid after we get the kids out the sleepover and then we just cut to two black pages with scraggly white tax. Just something is killing the children. Thank you it's it's really cool if you're in a horror it yeah honestly I have someone that recently. You been binge watching all the old Halloween films and came in that mindset right now so it might be something. I'd have to check out so yeah for sure. How about you about well in terms of Halloween again and I had to work all day? I work second shift so I didn't work until about ten o'clock so I spent how at work so that very exciting. But they're like there was some leftover Kenyon go home and I got to enjoy my dog. Phyllis was a very excited to see me when I came home. So that's a treat in itself. It feels a cost to. She did not have a costume. I thought about I do heavy Macho Man Randy. Savage Dan Dan that I bought for her. I was GONNA put it on and maybe get like a like a replica wrestling championship belt to put on her but she was too small all for it so maybe next year maybe next year in terms of comics I read a few marvel comics this week. Which is kind of big change for me? I read Spiderman Full Circle. This is a kind of a surprise. I'd forgotten that I had pulled this so showed up in my pillbox this week I was pretty surprised and it was a pleasant surprise this very fun Spiderman Story the Gimmick cure that you have seven different creative teams basically doing as game of telephone where one team starts. It's a story we need to be cliffhanger and passes off to the next creative team who has to take the ball and run with it so to speak and the story gets out of control to the point where everyone in New York gets turned into a Werewolf There's a plot involving a childhood Like a children's amusement park has been taken over by aim Spider Spider Ham shows up. It's a pretty bonkers and eh someone that loves the character spider man but very rarely actually read and spider man comics. This was a blast. You know it's just for some reason. I can't bring myself to read this of regularly but I love the wise cracking Peter Parker teenager in over his head. And that's exactly what this comic is so bonkers over the top and yet throughout all what grounds it is. Peter Parker. Just willing to Kinda Shrug and go along with everything no matter how ridiculous because it is so there's a whole slew creators here. I mean. The writers include Jonathan Hickman. Gerry Duggan Nick. Spencer Kelly Thompson valuing ships. That are ski. And Jason. Aaron you have artists like Michael allred. Greg Smallwood Chris. SPROUSE Rachel Cameron Stewart Mark Bagley at a small army of inkers and colors lers columnists. It's a really fun book. It is ten dollars because it's like an oversize probably eighty page issue but if you want a good spiderman story they can just read an on its own. It's it's a one shot. It's a lot of fun so highly recommend that and I also read fantastic grand design number one. This is the Tom Ski Ski. Only riff basically retelling the events of the first forty eight issues of Jackson stands fantastic. Four run if you read Ed Piss cores. x-men been grand design. You know the Gimmick here is that it's taking all the events that of a franchise and kind of retelling them chronologically so this fantastic four comic starts with who wants to the watcher witnessing the birth of Galactica you get the whole history of the crease. Go Scroll War you get all of the sort of mythological. Underpinnings of of Marvel comics with the turtles and eventually get the fantastic four showing up. It's incredibly fun. I love Tom's art work. And he clearly loves the source material. But it's so so incredibly dense at Piskorski when he did X. Men grand design. He worked in like an eight panel grid and kind of. Did this encyclopedic explanation of the history of the X. Men topsy only is more visually it doesn't more visually like there's much explanation of the stories. You kinda see what happening entity to shoe. But he's working on twenty five panel page grid so the pages are just jam packed with little tiny panels. And you're getting a little snippets of of fantastic four stories but I thought it was so overwhelming in that sense that I really enjoyed it actually read it like like three chunks. Sit Down Three several times. I'm just Kinda read ten pages at a time to get through it but which really funny is. Silly has a ton of little visual gags and Easter eggs. Like there'd be a panel that basically is him mimicking an old Jack Kirby like cover like both different characters. There's one panel where you see two characters kissing but it's it's it's clear refund the Gustav klimt painting the kiss knows exact same composition and stuff so if you give if you have the time and the patients to get through twenty-five I pit panels a page. It's really rewarding and I can't wait to see with the next issue is I think he's doing it in two issues. So this issue ends with silver surfer showing up on earth. which is I think? Issue Forty eight of the fantastic for the original run. So it's an amazing visual accomplishment. I'm not sure it's for everybody but if you love Tom Sawyer holy or curious about the history of fantastic four. It's a lot of fun. So that's what I read. This week. Sounds pretty intense. Twenty five panels and the mind boggles cancels. It really does. I mean if you've read his I mean if you read skiles transformers versus Gi. Joe He did a lot of full page composition not a big action and this is like like this is like the opposite religiously. Let me get everything I can get on the page but just do it in like panels and just tiny little panels but there are certain moments where he does like a bigger page age. There's like half a page of a half a page in such a visual like relief at that moment if you're interested in like how panel size in number changes here's the reading. Pacing and experience is a really interesting visual experiment on top of being a very fun comic. So I don't know I enjoyed it. Would that said what's look ahead to the future. Let's look ahead to November sixth. This coming Wednesday new comic books will be in the stores. Cara what are you excited for this week. Okay hear me out me out promising star. My my comic pig for this week is is the latest addition to the minions series. Yes the same minions that are the little yellow pill guys is from despicable me and go around saying book page and I realize that I know what you're all thinking you're thinking but carry the minions are appealing to the lowest common denominator of humor and to which I say uh-huh so oh man. When when despicable me I came out I I saw that movie thing I remember it so vividly because I thought it was like this really sweet story about parenting and and I saw it. I think right before I went to study abroad in France and then I saw it again in French so I was like in Perez the only adults without children in that theater because I was like this is my level of French and I am practicing my French by being here seeing a film. I've already seen in English and The I think. The voice actor for grew in Frances Gada Malla. Who is like this really famous French comedian and he did superb job but the minions like they are funny? I realized they've been over commercialized. But what isn't these days so The minions comics are actually really good I've read a bunch of them before they're done by a French creative team because because actually most of the I don't know if illumination The production company that does those movies is French or if they just have a lot of French inch people working on those films but if you for at least for the first few Despicable me movies if you look at the movie credits a lot of French people apple so for the Comex. They have a French creative team doing the stories and so they really do. Bring this rich bombed us in a sensibility to their storytelling. And all the millions comics are silent or they have like a few lines of gibberish from the minions doing that like made up language which they made for them but the The like getting visual gags done well in comic book form arm can be really difficult especially if there's no Words backing up that action but the minions comics are consistent like one or two page age just like gag strips with really rich coloring. And the really. It's like I'm I'm sure you're thinking like well. It's a million comic. Obviously it's the cash grab grab and they're going to be like movie stills with words or they're going to be like they got some like cheap artists trying to get something On their resume. Doing it no no. These are like really really well done pieces of art and I know you're all rolling your eyes at me right now but I I'm serious. These minions comics are very good and the the one that's coming out. This week is called minions number one paige and it is being billed as a culinary adventure were the minions go around the world trying different foods around the world and reacting to them and I can honestly honestly think of nothing better. Because I know how how beautifully well-made these comics are and like short the millions is our silly but you know what twenty nineteen is garbage fire of ear and I'll take my happiness where I can get it and if that's watching a bunch of minions scream for like thirty pages I'll take it. I mean there's there's a time and place for silliness and if not now when so true. So that's that's my pick for this so he could minions number one pay. Okay well care. I have to admit I was skeptical when they sell you. Pick the millions. Because I wasn't an admittedly I I wasn't quite sure. What minions were they're like sentient twinkies that I see everywhere right and I know came from I saw something they were everywhere but your description? The comics actually has me intrigued. So congratulations. I might actually flip through this one. Yeah they're super cute and Yeah the millions are there. They're just minions like I. Don't I'm assuming then you haven't seen the despicable me movies but I miss the I miss those. Yeah well well the first one is super sweet. And it's this really heartfelt story story about Parenting and being An adoptive parent and the minions are just like the the comic relief on the sides. They're like the minions for this evil mastermind and They're just kind of like bopping around doing their thing and their their humor is largely either silent or they're like speaking a kind of gibberish language to one another so having a comic book interpretation of their adventures be largely silent or maybe having a few words here and there is the right choice. Yeah Yeah Yeah. And I'm I'm a fan of that ability to convey stuff purely visually. I mean it does. Remind me of more gag strips and Sunday morning funnies and South and I love that style of cartooning are tuning so it actually is. Yeah pretty intriguing. So who knows. Maybe it'd be billions fan. Stranger things have happened this year. Dare you to pick it up. All challenge accepted Brian. What are you excited for this week? This week I'm going to be picking up. The magicians number one which is set in the same universe as the magicians like the TV show in the book series and all that stuff But it sounds like this actually is not going to involve or maybe it will only indirectly involve the characters from those existing media. And so I'm excited to that. Get a better look at this. Weird like Magical Grad school world This is GonNa be the the. This book starts off with the first class at the break bills school for magical pedagogy that will have hedge. Magicians which are basically people who learn magic on the street as supposed to in a classroom somewhere I'm looking forward to that. Sort of You know the the conflict that inevitably comes from mixing the other two wildly different world views. Two different sets of people Mostly I want to see the private school kids get kicked around a little bit but I think that's not appropriate channelling something there yeah But I'm a big fan fan of the show so I'm excited to to see what else this can do. They actually have the the author of the books. Left Grossman is involved in the production of this comic Dominic. So it'll be interesting to see what his influence brings to the table. That sounds familiar. Is there another franchise about a school where people learn magic. This sort SUV ring a bell. I think so. Okay sorry. Sorry bringing slithered energy though whatever that means he's Serious Zahava pop and we all know it. Well everyone except me. So what's the Harry Potter. Look as the host of the show. Once a Harry Potter talks starts. I get to stop it immediately so Paul to this week. I'm looking forward to undiscovered country number. One this new series from image comics written by a really all star tag team. If I was putting together a a comic book writer Wrestling Tag team these would be the champions Scott Snyder and car and Charles Soule with artwork by gazette be. Couldn't come a minute wolf with work by come and coli and Daniel Orlandini with colored by Wilson and I the advance buzz on. This book is that this is kind of going to be images next big series since sagas on hiatus. This'll be the sort of the replacement book that everyone's talking talking about in buzzing about the premise is that it's set in the near future about thirty years from now in a world where the United States of America has essentially walled walled off from the rest of the world and become an undiscovered country like an unknown wild place and the into this book. Are that a team of scientists who we're trying to find a cure for a worldwide global epidemic have breached the wall Internet in the United States. World they know nothing about so. There's obvious schism pretty strong Contemporary Political Influence here with current events. I also I also really like these sort of escape from New York walling off a section of the country just letting it run free vibe them getting from that so and again like I said Scott Snyder and Charles Soule or to great writers. I'm kind of curious to see how they're going to work together on this type of material. I'm pretty safe as book. I think that's an interesting concept that is well suited for some sort of uh-huh maybe not overt but some interesting political commentary as well as a good solid action story attention. I hadn't heard about this before today. So she's a documentary. Check this out. Yeah Yeah I'm pretty excited so cool with that said. Let's take a quick break. We have a big topic coming coming up here and the second half of the show will be discussing the quote Unquote Trinity of DC Comics Batman Superman and wonder woman what that means and what they represent so stay tuned for that as many of you who listened to this show might know we are fans of star wars and as anyone who has access to the internet or any form of media probably knows by now star wars episode nine. The rise of skywalker is hitting theaters. This December and Brian and I are so excited about this. That have so excited excited that we have committed to making nine shows just about star wars comics called. I read Star Wars Comic Books and the first episode of our Special Series Drops this Thursday for Patriots subscribers and Friday for the rest most of you wonderful people We are so excited to be exploring the world of Star Wars Comics. We are focusing on the comics that have been published by by Marvel since the Disney acquisition. In two thousand nine. And we're just having a lot of fun getting hyped for Star Wars. We're reading really embarrassing. Embarrassing amount of comics. I actually went to pick up a pile of star wars comics at the library on Halloween dressed as ray and that was the day the machines were down so I had to go to an actual person to get books check and I was not embarrassed I was just like well. What were you expecting? Who else would pick up this many star wars comics in one go and with that? Let's get to our main topic This week as I said we're talking about. DC's Trinity of characters that Superman Batman and wonderwoman and we're sort of talking about what that means to be a trinity why those characters have endured for so long and we'll get some feedback from Brian. Who apparently just these characters existed today? So he's a man but he's a bad. There's a lot there won't pack it for you. Okay no a carrot. You suggested this topic and maybe I'll just let you introduce it so to speak what he wanted to talk about Chad. Mind about these these particular characters and their are relationship to each other. Thanks Paul I will do that DC comics has this like they. They know that Batman Superman and wonder woman are there moneymakers kind of the core of who they are as a superhero company. And they also kind of self perpetuate that myth and self reference it a lot to the point where they've done. I think thank a couple different comic series at this point. Explicitly called Trinity some variation of Trinity focused on these three characters and I think that they're over. The decades there has been sort of this effort to make sure that the general public public knows who these characters are even. If they're not reading the comics I think Batman Superman and wonder woman are the most merchandised characters. There's and you know it was quite a while before. Wonder woman got her own movie. But Superman and Batman movies have been made with regularity celerity since the seventies and eighties. So and it's a very few DC characters have hit the big screen but these characters I keep hitting the big screen increasing public knowledge of them and hitting a window. So so and I think Like for example Brian. You're not the most you haven't read. Probably really as many DC comics as Paul and I have but you are aware of these characters because you're a human being in America media turn on the TV in the last thirty years right so it's like d. c. like you know for better or worse puts the bulk of their marketing and and other media efforts behind these three characters in particular kind of open the conversation by asking why these characters occurs. I mean the obvious answer is that they're the most popular and there the longest running character the characters that survived the claps of the superhero genre in the late for details of the oldest published characters at DC has. But I don't remember them ever being referred to as the trinity or that phrase phrase being used until I came back to comics about two thousand eight when that miniseries came out called Trinity but since then it's become a regular thing I'm just curious what the characters represent that gives them that sort of that reverence other again other than their mark ability and their popularity. I think I'm kind of riffing off of that originally I. I think I think you're right. It was like two thousand eight issue in that first. Trinity series hit They kind of explained that these characters it represented sort of a balance like so. DC COMICS HAS WE. I mean we could talk all day about their their philosophy waspy but in the shortest possible version I can think of is that the DC comics superhero characters are modern gods. They we are larger than life. They're supposed to be aspirational and since marvel. Comex did their whole superheroes are people to thing in the sixties. DC has kind of tried to do that but it doesn't ever quite work because that's not what their characters are at route at route. Their characters are are the the gods of old reinterpreted for the twentieth century. So they they do use I. I think I don't think they originally started out that way but over the decades as they've had a more and more more reinterpretations and I think baggage is negative word. But there's a lot of baggage for these characters. Doctors sure that they do reach this larger than life status. especially if it's just these three characters that you're continuously re Releasing to a non comic book reading public and I think that if you think of these three characters as trinity in the in the religious sense and not even just in the Catholic or Christian tradition of the Holy Trinity but in terms of three being considered a sacred number for a lot of cultures or A number with magical meaning for her More Pagan traditions that it's kind of undeniable that The grouping of things in threes has a lot of significance for for a lot of different people around the world for various reasons so If you look at it like that and want to say alright so this makes sense that these characters are continuously kind of grouped together either consciously or unconsciously Superman represents the the light he's literally powered by the sun is good. He's as like he's got this reputation for being like good and wholesome a Batman obviously represents the dark as saint as every single time he says is I am the night. So we've got. We've got our light and our dark and I would argue that wonder woman is the balance balance because DC comics has never known quite what to do with wonder woman but they've toyed over the years with ideas of her being being a little bit more gray area than either Batman Superman In infinite crisis. She's the one that snaps Maxwell Lord's neck and the these three characters were seen as Like no we don't kill that's not us but like wonder woman was seen as the character who could be the person to make that decision in some interpretations interpretations. They've made her a goddess of truth. she's been like a representative of justice like she does the right thing but she's she's a warrior there's always this exploration of her Being on this island of peaceful warriors which what and I forget what story this was in but I think like one other characters has her like oh like Amazon's are all the same like preach peace. He's teach violence. So I would say wonder woman is more like the balance of the scales whether you want that to be justice or just the the manifestation of the balance between these opposing forces around the world She kind of represents that so to me. It makes sense that these three three characters are seen as this trinity at the top of this modern pantheon that DC has created. Yeah Yeah I think that's it's a fair explanation of how that that works and I think that's the way there was presented in the comics. Is You know you have the rest of the justice league like deer see list characters show up but that's always fun like you know I've always going to metamorphose shows up in the comic randomly but when Superman shows up it's a big deal ever looks up to him. The rest of the characters in the universe recognize that these are the three most tenured of characters of superheroes you know and when they show on the scene or and they're giving orders. That's that's something important so not just. It's a weird sort of almost Meta textual explanation of why they're the most popular bler characters. So yeah there's a characters are showing up on t shirts and You know on the lunchboxes because they're the most popular characters in the universe itself. You Know Narrative Leonardo fictionally what. I also think it's interesting because I always like stories. Wear these three characters are are presented as being friends even though there's moments where there's tension between them but they may not get along but it's always a weird thing for me when wonder woman refers is to Superman as Clark or cow or. Did you call Soup Batman Bruce. I'm like Oh these are people who have known each other spent their whole lives fighting side by side and that gives them. I'm a sort of connection and a depth. I think a lot of other characters might not have that makes sense. Yeah Yeah and I think part of that connection is this more modern in that like As as longtime readers of DC. No there is a definite shift shift in the eighties with crisis on infinite earths and ever since then they've been a little bit more like we are one unified universe and all. These things are happening in the same space and we're redoing redoing and even when they did like new fifty two or how don't even know what it is now they they're constantly reexamining their whole universe the universe as a whole and making a conscious effort to have these stories be connected for better for worse. Brian I want you to maybe jump in here here maybe as someone not familiar with the DC universe. What is your interpretation may be of this idea of them? Being mythological gods as opposed to you know marvel superheroes this is that something you see just as an outsider. Yeah absolutely especially I mean. My my biggest exposure to the DC universe was always watching the Justice League a cartoon on cartoon network and I was a kid I yeah when when they literally lived in a satellite orbiting putting the world like they were in the heavens so young that that day fide sense of them beaming down to save the day wherever they're needed. Yeah and you mentioned Wonder Woman Calling Batman Bruce Man. It's so almost upsetting for me to hear Batman referred to by a human name. Because you don't like Bruce Wayne and sounds fine but it was like Bruce. That's not right. His name is Batman is named his Batman. That's right yeah. Dr Point though like these characters are larger than life like. It's it's nice to know their back stories. But you know that the the there's so many Batman stories where it's like well which one are you are batter. The man like that ideas that the only people that can understand and what they've been through our each other since where it's like. You know sure Batman probably gets along with the flash just fine. But he's going to have a deeper. I think connection to Superman Bruce Clark. Our good friends I don't know about Bruce. In Berry or Bruce and volley you know Yeah can I I'm not sorry for where I'm about to take this so in the DC trinity entity comic from Lake around two thousand eight like. There's this scene were wonder woman just kind of like looks at the two guys and she's just like I've have dated both of you. Stop it because like she. She has at some point. Because you know comics and everyone's like there no relationship his permanent except for things like you know Barry and Irish and stuff like that but Alkyl not where I was going but like you know like it's it's twenty nine thousand nine hundred wonder woman's the state of both the guys one or the one of the guys going to date each other. That's my question Paul. Saying there's such good friends I'm like are they. Just good friends Paul. Are they just good friends. Answer could be something more. Well I think you know. I don't like the idea of there needing to be a serve romantic relationship. You can have other types types of deep personal emotional relationships between other people and like you know one of my favorite superman comics is from the I think early fifties. It's the Super Key to fortress Superman. Were you find out that Superman has a statue of Batman in the form of solitude just because the good friend of his like. I'm just give stashes with my friends so I can hang out with them even though they're not around and exactly. I definitely have a statue both of you guys in my room. I was going to ask ask you about and then of course. The story goes on Batman actually breaks into the fortress of solitude and plants and elaborate certified detective game puzzle for Superman to solve to find out who broke in in the end. Batman just bakes a giant birthday cake for Superman to celebrate the anniversary anniversary of him landing on Earth. And there's just most like these guys are such good friends that you know. That's a deeper emotional connection. Most relationships are in the wildest Batman Story. I've ever heard incredible. I need to read this immediately. Well I think I want to say it's action comics to forty one might not be correct on the issue number but yeah the the superfortress superman is one of my favorite of all time because of that. That's so adorable. So that's I mean that's would I like the idea of the one of the bigger sort of the unfortunate result of Frank Miller's Dark non-return does that people always WanNa see Batman and Superman fight to me. They would never fight their best friends. And that relationship I think extends to the trinity the idea that these characters getting the might disagree but they sort of form the sort of moral or ethical core her that the rest of the superheroes in the DC universe and me as a reader look up to you know Oh yeah undoubtedly which I think. I think it's interesting to also look at the history of these characters to see how we got here because as we mentioned before it wasn't always like this in the DC universe and and part of that is because These characters have gone through some slight changes. I mean when Batman was first introduced as a character search for the first few issues. He's straight up. Shooting gangsters like though Batman we know and love today is very different from the original interpretation and then of course in the fifties and sixties he was like super wholesome. They were building this whole bat family around him. 'cause they're basically like okay well. Batman needs to be more kid friendly. So here's a kid's sidekick kick robin the boy wonder we promise they're not gay. So here's some girls for them to want to date who are also dressed as bats except with skirts. Here's here's a carousel Salaam. Robbins enjoy And then you know superman it's always been kind of seen as like you know the big blue blue boy scout but he had. He had a mullet in the ninety. S He's your changes and midlife crisis. There is it'll and then of course wonder woman changes just about every decade because I don't know if DC ever quite knows what to do with her. Well it again Brian. Maybe you could be sort of Less entrench DC voice here But I think the reason for that is at one room and doesn't have a very quick explanation like Superman's pretty easy to get strange visitor from another world powers beyond those immortal men easy Batman strange creature of the night avenging. His parents death breath quickens. Simple wonder woman she's made of clay and might be the daughter of Zeus. Were not sure she comes from an island of you know peaceful warriors. It doesn't she doesn't have the quite the same sort of immediate explanation is easier to interpret. It really just depends on how much detail you want to get into because you could just say Alec. She's a warrior from the island of the Amazons and call it a day. Sure Yeah I think. I think that she's an interesting character her to me. Because you know Batman is definitely driven by. This idea of this terrible thing happened to me into my parents and I don't want anyone to ever have to to live through something like this ever again and I. I am the person who can fix it and Superman's more like I was raised just to do the right thing and I will do that right thing and wonder woman's more like I think she he's more like raised to see like. Oh the the world of men is kind of garbage so the Amazon's kind of sealed herself off but I do think that what people can do better and be better and I want to go and help them. Because that's the right thing so in that sense she's more kind of on the Superman track of. I'm going to do the right thing. Because it's it's the right thing as opposed to Batman had kind of like a like a personal thing happened to him and that's his motivation. Yeah Yeah I think in her. Her motivations are less clear cut because she is from a place that is separated from the rest of the world gets she. She had the option of just not getting involved oft would the world of man and so. I think that it's interesting that she chose to. But it's not as clear as like Superman who grew up around around all this stuff so of course he's going to get involved right. Yeah that's interesting. You know. It reminds me of one of my favorite moments in The new frontier. The Cook Miniseries where which I was GonNa say if we wanted to recommend books highlight these characters. There might not be a moment. Where in them book where they're presented as a trinity but I think it's the best interpretations of all three characters in this in Brave new world but or new frontier. Sorry there's a moment where Superman confronts wonder woman because she had led a bunch of kidnap women have been kidnapped in a village to kill their captors and they're sober afterwards like what you're celebrating like murder so bring the death of these. These people and woman gives a speech about how they're liberating themselves themselves. And they're standing up for Truth and justice and all this and the way. Darwin Cook illustrates her. She's clearly taller than Superman thinking. She's intimidating him. I'm to appoint and the last Pan on the page is if you don't agree with this she points and says there's the door space man and it's such a 'cause it's a wonder woman just saying like look you don't know who you're talking about you know you might be. The big boobs govern. Looks up to but then this moment you don't know what you're talking about the fact that I guess three characters can kind of put each other in their place even though the strongest longest of the whole universe kind of brings them together in a sense that you're talking about them being the strongest characters is just making. Can you think of the whole like like you're right. There's this continuous like since the Eighties Batman Versus Superman thing that is is just like why but also I I think in the mid two thousand. DC did a lot of reminding the readers that Batman has a Kryptonite ring in his belt. At all times right in case Casey needs to use it and like I forget if he just like had that made 'cause he's paranoid an awful if superman gave it to him because he trusted Batman to do the right thing but I mean either way it says a lot about both of their characters but but also I agree with the people who are like okay. Let's say for a minute that Superman really is being mind controlled or just like snaps APPs and decides to take everyone out and Batmans the only one who could stop him. You really think that Batman a mortal man with just a lot of money and some good training is going to reach that pocket on his built faster than Superman who is like consistently testing his speed against the flash the fast fast running alive. You really think that is GonNa get to that pocket before Superman again. That's one of my favorite jokes is always like whenever you have the conversation. Shen of who would win in a fight Batman acts. The answer is always well. How much prep time is Batman? Have exactly. Yeah that's what it comes down to so I guess I'm curious. Now they mentioned. Are there particular stories. You might recommend a camera that would highlight this relationship or thinker is a good example of that. I mentioned new frontier. I think kingdom come by Mark Waid and Alex Ross's and the good one boom if you had another one in mind to recommend little. It's it's been so long since I've read kingdom come I actually did enjoy reading the Trinity Series when it was coming out and that is I mean. That's an endeavour. That's that was the fifty two issue series. It's a quick read but I would. I would also say like it's not comex but I agree with Brian that some of my my formative impressions of these characters was watching the Justice League. The animated series that was on cartoon network as part of the timbers and One of my favorite episodes is the one where wonder woman turned into a pig by Percy and it's like Batman and she's like I think this is all the same episode it's like she It's like wonder woman and Batman are on this rooftop staking out something and and she's like kind of flirting with him because like in an earlier episode he had like saved her or something and she kissed him on the Cheek and the producers show runners were surprised surprised that fans were into that idea they were like. Oh we got this reaction that we did not happen. I mean we just had this throwaway moment and now people are clamoring for them to date and I was like yes. What did you think really you clearly? Have No women on your writers cartoons to Chris so So so then they were just like we decided to have them like flirt. A little bit and so wonderful is like no no dating for the Batman. It would cut into your brooding time. And he's just like continuing continuing to Brood while she's saying this so then things happen and wonder woman gets turned into a pig by Sir C and Batmans trying to change her back so he he enlists the help of Satanic and WanNa beast which like talk about a-list character. Yeah we're doing deep cuts here but so that it's like wannabes is using his leg talking to animals powers to try to find wonder pig and and so then like that. Men's trying to figure out how to change her back and he's just like making sure she stays safe as a pig the whole time and it's like weird but really cute and the episode kind of like ends with him being sursee. I need her to be swapped back. Like what do you want from me. And she just like gives his like evil smirk and the next thing you see. Batman is singing in like a Blues Lounge Orange Microphone and when that episode first aired I could not breathe. I was laughing so hard. 'cause it's Kevin Conroy. Roy like voicing their Batman basically like they learned he could sing and then they're like. Let's write an episode with this so he's just singing am I blue for like and everyone's like no he's he's he's he's done. Now we've changed wonder woman back and then the girls are like no no no let let him keep going. And so like all these heroes watching Batman saying and like I think I was. I rolled off the bed that I was watching. It was just like I was done. I was like that and say this everything thing. That's amazing after look. I don't remember that episode so fantastic. So yeah I guess maybe to kind of wrap the things up here. I wanted to pose this question to so we conclude Brian in the conversation. If you had to put together a marvel trinity three characters. I think would kind of fit the same mold as this trinity. Who would you pick for your team or is there or is it? The universities are so different there might not uh novice comparison there. I think because the Marvel Universe is a little more like our characters are human and therefore flawed. There's less of an obvious comparison send that said my like growing up in the nineties. My understanding was that storm was was like the wonder woman of the Marvel Universe. Sure yeah that makes sense. Yeah Yeah because my my immediate reaction was due to the movies. The popular of the marvel movie so did seem to be Captain America. Thor and iron man would be obvious trinity. But it's like you'd have spiderman in there too and I don't know who spiderman would replace in that in that group so yeah there's not really a not really a wise. Cracking humor sometimes wonder woman. The Spiderman would probably be the counterpoint to superman in that you know superman never had a whole like you know with with great power comes great responsibility but he does embody that constantly. So He's been those spider-man's a little more like we're going to lay this out for all of you like Superman lives that all the time and has prior to the creation of Spiderman grow all right so I've I've got I've got two of my three. I've got storm and Spiderman and is there. Is there really a Batman character. Who'd be like the darkness in the Marvel Universe? Well see I don't know if it's darkness as much as the sort of strategist angles. So I put captain. America would carry my analogy for Batman because you know oh Cap is willing to fight in the trenches. He's he's done the hard time there in in World War Two. He's willing to do what it takes. And he's kind of the guy who's can plan things really well. So I think for me captain. America's kind of the Batman analogy there. I'll take that argument on note that we're we're talking about character archetypes than not necessarily necessarily pick up public awareness right. Exactly yeah okay. Yeah but again like again with these characters. There isn't that that unusual understanding that Paul. You were referencing earlier. Where the the DC trinity like? It's very clear that the they've been working together for a while and they know and trust one another the Brian. Do you have any insight here. No three be my pick was actually the same as yours Chris. Paul was thinking of like the the three like most known characters since the movie started coming out. It's definitely those guys. Oddly enough I think you could make an argument that four marvel instead of being a trinity of character to give Trinity of teams. I think the avengers the X.. Men in the fantastic four would be covering all the bases. I know that's kind of bending the rules a little bit but if you think about the way the universe work when there's something big going down the team show up you know in mass. Instead of adjusting the Justice League you know so could be interpreted that way. That's definitely an interesting way to look at it. Because I I think the way that the DC universe was structured is so it can be about these individuals stories of these characters ensure that might be on a team but those rosters are are always changing whereas with marvel there generally is those the the core members of those teams that you mentioned who you ah like. Shore Wolverine has been on every team ever circa. But you know who you're like. Oh warring he's an X.. Men Right yeah. I guess if we're going to put together. Our favorite characters for marvel might trinity would be Ben Grimm she hulk and Captain America both olds. Leave it at that. Yeah I think that's a good group. What honky group really so any final thoughts before we wrap it up banana? Get on our way here. I I want to have just like a super brief tangent before we wrap up so the movie suicide squad. Nothing that happened that happened. But what I think what is also undeniably true. Is it kind of really elevated Harley Quinn as a character that the public was aware of to the point where she became a moneymaker for DC. At which point I forget which higher up in the DC comics organization was like. Yes Harley Quinn who knows our fourth pillar of DC comics up there with Batman Superman and wonder woman and I was like is she go. Well I gotta say every time I go into into the complex shop the number of books I see with Harley Quinn appearing in them that's maybe not not the worst argument to make you know. She's a pretty popular character these days. Sure but what does hoppy Larry and commercial viability. Put her at that Same Level as those other three characters. We've been talking about this time right cynically. Yes but but I know my wallet says Yes but my earned it all to the ground perfect. Yes exactly yeah I think that's I think again if I'm being purely cynical sometimes it's hard not to be talking about mainstream comics and I can see what they're getting out with that argument but she would not be in my wouldn't be in my top ten. I'll put it that way. So now she's definitely like the she's the DC comics. Wolverine is is what she is writers. Don't know what to do. They just throw Harley Quinn analytics and we would have gone with deadpool these days but I can see what you're getting at so a two thousand nine perspective. Get with the Times Brian. Oh aw anymore well tell me. Well Brian I want to thank you from me a good sport in joining the DC central conversation so listeners. If you have any thoughts on who would be your trinity for Marvel or if he has thoughts about the DC Trinity. Please let us know. Oh you know where to find us. We are all over this thing called the Internet. You can find us. All on. Twitter Bryan is at Brian Head. Cara is at CARA HAS ZAM. 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