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Can Having More Tech Improve The Travel Experience?

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42:52 min | Last month

Can Having More Tech Improve The Travel Experience?

"And I always do the same example, you know, when I started it back in ninety-nine as a receptionist. There was a lot of human connection because you had to manage such a low level of technology that all the time you've read was spent with the guests. I can tell you I still have friends that I met in your tail. They were guests of mine until like twenty years ago. Yeah and over the through the years we kind of lost that because receptionist and brought up his manager general managers. Well, they started focusing more on things such as taking care of reservations not inserting information into the PMS checking the channel manager checking the checking Bays, etc. Etc. And so I think we lost that human touch if you can remove the logistic of travel, like if you can have a machine taking care of the logistics of travel like everything from PMS to checking in checking out people excetera. You can get these people to do something. Better and something more useful. So I think you can actually bring the human touch back by improving your technology stack. Welcome to Slick talk the hospitality podcast where we discuss all things Hospitality hotels and business. You can find us online at slick talk the podcast.com and on every podcast listening platform. Staring down the barrel of a 60% permanent closure rate. It's time to fix what's broken. It's time to change the game the hospitality industry. She said a pivotal point and it's become painfully obvious the business Acumen strategic planning. Well matter just as much as resilience. There's no shortage of resources ranging from how to apply for loans to how to change date with your landlord. But at some point we will turn our sights towards the future and when that time comes we'll need tools and strategies to thrive not just survive in the hospitality industry. We fix our own problems. This is no different. We've created a group called the hospitality game changers on Facebook a platform you already used daily. It's a space just for us. We're we're tackling the most difficult issues facing our industry and creating Solutions. It's updated daily with the most compelling audio written and video content to make sure you're plugged into what's going on today and walk and help us tomorrow. Yep. Quick and easy and free to join just log into Facebook and search Hospitality game-changers in the search bar. And you'll said we can't change the cards that we are dealt, but we can change how we play the game. He's kind of like The Joe Rogan of the hospitality industry right now. All right everybody. Welcome back to Slick toffee Hospitality podcast. I'm your host will Slickers and today I have an amazing guest. We have some mutual connections. And if you're an occasional listener, you need to go back and listen to you know, how I met all these people but the end of the day you're an avid listener. You understand that a lot of my guests intertwined now, we have a pretty cool Network on the show here. And so I have with me today Simon a who is are you based on France? My friend? Yeah Paris Paris. Awesome. Yes. I have Simon a who's out in front and Paris France, and I'm excited to get to know you because I think you bring such a cool Dynamic to the industry. You're an industry expert, you know, you've done the GM stuff you've done, you know the leadership in hotel rules and now to find out more about what you do and who you are is really cool and for other listeners you've heard about bedroom. They were on the show their subscription wage. Is booking platform for hotels? That's how I met Simon a was through there. I meet Hotel program as a virtual online event. They're doing destination. Italy coming up right before or episode. So give it a listen go get free tickets. I'm putting links in the show below so follow along but Simon a is going to be a speaker there and I'm excited. So let's dive into who you are. I want to learn about your background and to really dive into like what the the journey was to getting you to where you are today. Okay. Let's let's a cool question. I was when I started back in ninety-nine so long been Twenty-One years of doing the stuff right now and I started as a funny story. I wanted to be a philosophy Professor back in the days. So and I studied she took a job as a night manager in our tail and so I figured okay, we'll give me some time to study philosophy and it didn't that I was so frustrated because it was it was dead. Is worst like late nineties? So they had no PMS they were doing everything on paper and honest to God we used to tape for a three sheets together and this was our parents and and I was so frustrated at one point that I just created something on an Excel file. And I said look, I think this is better than wage, you know, and and the GM was quite impressed. Then he said why don't you go and work at during the day and I said, you know taking this job at night because I want to study off at the end. I took the job and I do it pretty much everything you could do in you know tell so I did like some front office then front office manager. I did a lot of mice some Revenue management and at the end I was GM for a group of hotels in Rome and this was around 2009 2010. So it was like ten years after I started working in ourselves dead. I managed hotels for a little while. I think I got three or four years managing what else I started a new new little chain of of branded full dependent hotels and then I decided I had enough I wanted to publish a little more a marketing and then I moved to marketing. I started working with a french-american a company. That's why I moved to Paris and Back in 2017. I open my own consulting firm and here I am now three years later to anything else. So, where are you originally from? Cuz you sound like you're have a Paris accent. But are you actually from your from? We're not at all? I don't have a Parisian accent. No, not purging in a French a French accent. Are you from France? No, I'm Italian. I mean, okay and my French is really poor, you know, okay, I believe it in Paris for seven years now, but my French is so long. That you have no idea as I say, I'm your your basic American who probably can't pick up accents very well. So my apologies and that you know, that's really cool. And you have a you have a cool. I think, you know a lot of us kind of in the same way some, you know longer than others whether it's 20 years or five years. I think the people like you gave me and a few others that we've had on the show, you know see an opportunity to to Really create a our own space in the industry. And so with with your life your departure from you know, managing and doing marketing and stuff. What what was the biggest like Niche or like space that you wanted to go into with your consulting firm? I'm kind of curious about that space a little bit. I was always frustrated by the relationship that most of the years that with technology and you know, I always thought It's if there was these bad version towards technology to a certain extent. Yeah, and I think I told you when we first talked about that. I told you that we are young. It's true hospitality is people industry, but it's a technology industry as well. Right? Yeah. Yeah, even this the smallest BMB would have at least five or six ten different software running at the same time. If you think about it, it's quite unique, you know, if you're running a restaurant you don't need all this software. You don't need to be Ms. Your internet channel manager. You don't need a booking engine, you know, the scr em, you know, it's probably just need a POS and you ready to go? Yeah. And so I was always very fascinating about this off to me between the fact that okay. This is a very technological industry, but hoteliers are having this our time accepting new technology. And I always be in a geek when it comes to technology. So I figured okay, let's merge the two passions and let's try to create his firm that helps forty years to understand better how they can live with technology and how can they can exploit technology, right? Yeah. And so that it's the idea behind the firm. The name of the firm is strong Singularity for a reason, you know, it's the concept of Singularity but in travel and and that was pretty much basically the idea Yeah. No, I think it's great and you and I have the same perspective. I'm seeing I'm seeing it differently now with covet what? For so long and why would we change now and that just kind of in my head account was kind of like complacency, but then also just laziness and not willing to innovate but you said something and I know we're jumping ahead on kind of like our podcast episode outline, but you said something to me on our first chat that really I think you just like resonated a ton was dead. It's very unfortunate very sad that in order to innovate in our industry. We have to be forced to innovate and I think we we've seen it with with covid-19. More about you on the state of the hotel industry and the impact covid-19 is had you know, like I said, I think you bring a unique point of view and I just want let's hear it back in and lay it out later on us. Yeah. The thing is that a lot of these hotels found themselves in the position to deal with some level of new technology for the first time and we're talking about basic technology. I mean the need of doing a check in without human interaction. It's something that especially incorporate travel that's been around for a while now. It's nothing new nothing crazy, you know, we're not talking about robots taking over our our jobs and but I always say that coronavirus virus in a way accelerated the bulb adoption of Technology by some I would say ten years more or less. Yeah, and you talk to hotels that up until yesterday they were young. Running their own legacy bms's and they were safe in their bubbles of low-tech and now they are discovering of this new technology right because because they are divorced because the the the the the industry is is asking for it, you know users our guests are asking for self-checking keyless technologies that dress technology and so forth. First time, they are forced to innovate. I think we even talked about the fact that for the first time hotels are coming with like out-of-the-box ideas that are not so out of the box office like day you was for co-working spaces or or offices room used as offices. It's nothing new with something that has been around for a while now would change are using the trend. But again, it's it saddens me to a certain extent that in order to innovate we have to suffer like this, you know and birth It's so it's it's quite it's quite a bizarre situation where you see like your best dreams when it comes to technology adoption coming through but at the same time the the worst possible moment, right? Yep. I'm thinking if this hotels would have implemented this technology couple of years ago. Who knows what incremental Revenue they could have bought at right? Yeah. And so it's kind of the whole situation is kind of said if you look at it, you know, but but yeah, it's it did accelerate the process. Yeah, I mean wage for like listeners or anybody that on the show, like I've been saying that to like I think it has really accelerated the industry whether you're in hotels vacation rentals restaurants, it accelerated it to the point of fact, we need a solution that we need and now we can't no longer say well we'll Implement that and a couple of years will will do this and will do that with the technology was already there that excuse is no longer. Biteable, I guess not you can no longer say well, we've been doing it for fifteen years this way. We're going to wait a little bit longer and do it that way later. That's no longer the excuse. Well colleague told me I stormed and he was super funny. And so it was this hotel with the Legacy system right and you know here in Europe, we had locked down several of towns. So actually we could not go to the hotel right and even people working at your tell could not enter the physical building well and so one night yet to come to your health like a thief get the song ever bring the server to his apartment and then he was able to work on the PMS. Wow, and and what's copied basically did for in a guy he was that for the first time he understood that he had a problem. Yeah, idiot to move to a cloud system. Right? But it's something that I've been saying this guy for like like forever and so it's dead. It's pretty interesting what Corcoran a virus is doing two or three years? Yeah, I love that. You said that you know the co-working spaces cuz I've been saying that too. Like I think you and I are like the same people just in different countries, you know, we're we're got the same ideas but it's you know, the co-working spaces. I just read an article about subscription-based model business for hotels and stuff, but they're saying hotels now I'm not doing the co-working spaces are doing day-use rooms, which I've been thinking, you know, we need to do as well. But I'm seeing Studios people are there like allowing like hip-hop artists or musicians or even podcasters like us, who are you use these rooms and functions of like a recording studio. That was like, yes, finally now I now I can go to I can get a hotel in Seattle or something and be like, hey, I just need to record a couple of episodes and I'll be out of your hair and it's just like, it's finally I think a great as multiple streams our revenues what they need and that's cool. Well it looking at least something more before copied started most hotels in Europe. They didn't even want people in the lobby. And now it's like in the US it's it's slightly different. You can go back to whatever Hotel than just sit on a low P&M an appointment right or meeting or just a a video call and that would be okay and you try to do this in Europe before coronavirus. They kicked you out of the of the Catholic and if you think about it, that's crazy. You know, you can have these incremental Revenue if I sit by the lobby, I probably would get some coffee or probably have lunch, you know, and and you will make the whole lot look more alive. Yeah, I know and and but now they are struggling and there are trying to get all these people in co-working space near trying to sell pretty much every single asset in detail, right? So even if they don't have co-working spaces, they are using individual rooms or Studios that you said. And it's going to and again it's not rocket science. It's something that it doesn't take a word pandemic to think about that. Yeah. Well just I think it comes to changing the operations officer. So set on Revenue per night the nightly rate instead of day you straight plus and having to clean and disinfect it and then do X Y and Z all over again for another job on a nightly stay but I think what we're seeing is kind of like what you just said is really important. If you just allow the first step into the lobby for someone to do a meeting or appointment or virtual call, whatever it will turn it most likely turn into getting a coffee grabbing a lunch staying for dinner having a cocktail and then having too many cocktails getting a room like if there's so many little events that can lead up to us if you just allow somebody to book a day use for a couple of hours or as a day you just for a studio for a recording or whatever it most likely wage. All lead into well, I can I Justified spending the money for this little thing. Now, let me spend a little bit more stay the night get my money's worth and be productive and oh, it's just like the sense of value right? You're you're yeah, you're creating value. So really important. I think it's just and I was actually going to talk to you about that. The international travel has really affected obviously every country, but you said to me on our first call that Europe is very much based on international travel. And so what's it been like for you guys suck you you run a consulting company. So I'm assuming some clients and other things have been pretty impacted by the lack of international travel. Oh, yeah big time I do. Well, I actually I'm I'm lucky enough to not all the consult for hotels, but I consult for travel tech companies as well. So basically I do have that Revenue stream, but the problem with Iraq That's right. Now is that some of these properties are running at a 5% occupancy rate? That's great. Yeah, like berries where I do live like Alpha to your health are still closed and it's very us dependent kind of market. Right? If we don't have US Traveler's basically we struggle and and we are seeing I'm seeing but pretty much I think I can talk for pretty much every consultant working in Europe right now, especially when it comes to city city of art like I'm thinking about Rome Paris Barcelona Florence Berlin, you do have all these cities suffering a lot and running at 5% 10% occupancy rate. There are no events. So there is no way Travelers. There's no mice. There are no weddings and Leisure is down and we never really unless there's something else that is kind of said Always avoided local Travelers, right? So if you ask a Parisian Hotel, they like in 2019. They didn't want operation guests. Okay, because usually they have a shorter stay they spend less money on the minibar to spend less money on the bar. They have less money on on ancillary Revenue, right? So if they can have somebody from Texas like they will they will take the taxes one month in our feet but other struggling because you know American people cannot travel and so they're trying to open to this Market that they never consider that they kind of complicated, you know in a in a certain way. Okay and this and again, it's pretty sad that it takes up and damage to Open the Eyes of entrepreneurs. Yeah. Well, do you see it helping cuz like an for multiple conversations I've had with this topic of like the stay local be local travel local local that whole movement. I think, you know, we we've been seeing them. Huge increase in drive to destinations people driving within a 225 our radius of their home getting out enjoying hotels or vacation rentals and eating at the local restaurants because they're they're honing into that like local community right kind of like travelling in their backyard. Are you guys seeing that actually happening at all in the UK or anywhere in and off and just wherever like with your clients and stuff a little on the weekend over the weekend, but during the week it's brutal. So it's like you have you have pretty much nobody local driving around during the weekdays. And so it's quite it's quite bad. Why do you think that is? Well, because like local people they they just tend to take weekends break. So you got this occupation in charade that is like schizophrenic. You know, you got Friday and Saturday are 8 and then Sunday it goes down to zero and for all the week. There are no like corporate Travelers. There's no events. There is no international travel rates. So you see nothing and then you have again a spike over the weekend and and that is why you know, that is why you got this crazy occupation relate. It's really it's really it's really bizarre. And and on top of that we don't have them volume, you know, the problem is like you take a country like Italy you just don't have the volume to sustain all the different hotels and and bed and breakfast in apartments with local markets. Even if everybody was travelling. Did you just you just don't have the volume? So people aren't doing like work from home type trips and work at it. Like they're not looking like you're not seeing any is that the 5% occupancy you're seeing. Well despite percent is mainly as I told you it's mainly people working traveling or during the weekend. There is a little of day use that is you know for hotels that are doing this month. But other than that is just super last minute. I start some time with occupation of 2% in the morning and I end up with 10% commission at the end of the day of 15th. Yeah me percent occupation. So it changed the parity and completely because even it wouldn't like I always say I don't want to be a revenue manager now because I think it's a nightmare because you see down and you have no idea and they pick up is so crazy and you know, you start the day with zero and then you have some rooms coming in at the very last moment. So it's really dead. It's really a headache when it comes to trying to forecast and just doing some plans for the future. Yeah. Well, no, I remember that when I was managing that property out in the Oregon coast where like, okay, these are the days off. Have occupancy of you know, let's say 15% and they're mostly stay overs, right? So then okay, we're in put these X Y and Z rooms down we're going to do some maintenance we're going to do some projects are already some trainings. It's going to be great. And then it's noon and your occupancy went from 15% to Seventeen to then 25 to then forty then fifty. You're like what the heck and then you find out your Revenue managers over there in the on the computer just playing with the rates and getting all the traffic in and you can't do anything. Now, you're eighty-five ninety percent occupancy so long. Yeah, I feel that. It's Yeah, I don't miss it was days but and it's getting worse. He's getting worse. I mean with with with this with the fact that you have these crazy booking window that sometimes it's really 24 hours or just twelve hours. It's crazy. And on top of that there are not something that we we haven't talked about is the fact that there are no more not refundable rates and everything is flexible. And yeah, good point. This is Jake big problem because you know, when when you are ready to a manager and you have some not refundable rates, you know, at least that you have the brakes to survive the month. You have the brakes to pay the bills right now. You don't have that faith in Europe on top of that most OTAs Saturday founding not refundable rates. So it was like protests. This was the nail in the coffin. They could not survive without the cash flow, right? Yeah, and honestly, I think this will be like, I don't think we will see a non-refundable rate for all 2021. Honestly, I'm glad you brought that up cuz that's really interesting. We talked about fraud. Ability so much but we never talked about the non-refundable segment of rain. It's gone. I mean I had several colds weird even be gautier's to understand a little the trend. You know, I'm looking at my clients but need to know a little more about the trends and they're pretty much saying the same thing forget about non-refundable. Everything is flexible, you know, nobody wants and I think for the first time in a virus put a lot of guests and travelers on the spot because they had to deal for the first time with cancellation policies, right and like before coronavirus you brought a refundable rate and it was kind of like the bar. Can you take not refundable rate? That's it unless you die you go. Yeah exactly. Exactly and if you die, it's not your problem anymore. Anyway, okay and And but now they and I was one of those, you know, one of these people like I had I had one speech that I I TV in Berlin and I had to cancel my not refundable range and they didn't want to give my money back and you know, I can understand that and make sense. But a lot of protease started rebounding these rates. So you have this Revenue manager that overnight started with some level of a coupon C20 and now they had to rethink complete their strategies and they have to completely re-think the rates. It's again, I think this is the worse and the best time to be a revenue manager the best time because you see stuff that probably you will never see again in your life, hopefully and but the worst time because again, it's it's pretty it's pretty schizophrenic home. I was going to ask well cuz we've been seeing the flexibility Trend be a really positive thing and a lot of places at least here in the States, you know, people are looking for flexible when they're going to book right they want to log Just in case right they always have that just in case moment. What if the kids get sick or what if we possibly have so many that you know was exposed to covet or whatever. They don't want to be able to cancel and make sure we can rebook in the future. Do you think this trend is actually helping the industry of flexibility or like we know it's a pain in the ass for Revenue managers and stuff like that. But getting rid of the non-refundable increasing the flexibility is actually making people want to travel more or or no. I don't think so. I think that's just for a first-time Travellers had to deal with the fact that there are consequences if you buy a non-refundable room yet and when you look at it from the hospitality perspective that is just a just a pain just a painful experience, you know not to have this security that not refundable rates represent in a way right? And so I don't think Gets well, let's say let's put it differently. I would say that if you didn't have any flexible rate, nobody will be traveling right now, you know, of course, I am the first one I am booked not refundable rates, but I'm booking flexible rates all the time right now because I would not even think about booking or not refundable rate, of course just in case as you say, yeah, but it's not flipping the page Industries actually, you know, it's it's bringing a lot less cash flow to the hotels and these hotels are sometimes forced to bring down the rates to a level that we never seen that before. Yeah, and she been creating some bizarre situation where you have these hotels with guests that are not really there in a Target, right? And I'm and I'm seeing a lot of the pets complaining about that, you know, 4-star 5-star hotels, there are now getting guess that will book probably are not twist or two stars wage. And it's something and I want to be a snow but if you work in details, you know that there is a difference between somebody that is willing to pay full price versus somebody that is going on to offer a discounted rate. And so he does he does impact the brand as well, especially in the luxury segment. Yeah, especially in the luxury segment where you don't have a lot of domestic problems, right? So it's again, it's a bizarre situation. Yeah, cuz we're now doing anything for that cash flow and are barrier to entry office. So to say which is great and amenities and brand is now lower. So now you're kind of allowing that type of bad behavior or bad guest. I'm not a big fan of the Ritz-Carlton model, you know, ladies and gentlemen serving ladies and gentlemen, so I never put up with that kind of crap with my hotels whenever I was managing but dead. I can see that. Yeah, it's cuz we want people to Buck and want them to feel comfortable. We want transparency. But what's the costs going to be when you blower that entry level to that you got the anxiety on top of that. I'm pretty sure that this level of anxiety again when you have like when you start the months in Paris with 50% off coupon see, you know that you will end up a 90% Yeah, but fifty percent is is there you know, it's the bricks that pays the bills again when you start your when you start your month with 5% occupancy, that's completely birth story and he starts to panic and you start to have this anxiety rates and this anxiety rates will be seen by your competitor and your competitor will come up with some more anxiety rates and at the end of the day that you will be in this Vicious Circle where everybody's dropping the rates and you have situation like I'm seeing now with four stars embarrass selling at $40 a night that you never seen before wage. October is super dry. Seasoning Paris. Yeah damn well, so I've seen this before this was like on the Oregon coast just people dropping all their rates as low as possible in human life possible and then trying to get anything they can and it is at the end of the day costing them business than it is. They're not even breaking even they're not even breaking even some very often I think wage psychological motivation. I think people want to keep working. They don't want to close details and I can understand and I do truly respect that. Yeah honest honest to God and all my clients that stays open all the time. I have a true respect for these people. I have like general managers working double shifts. I have owners working at the front office. I'm seeing stuff that I would not think would have been possible and but but again, it's it's quite challenging. So let me ask you this kind of a hard question then what what's going to be dead? What's what do you see this happen? Like do you see their recovery happening in a certain time frame or do you see there anything being key to the recovery other than you know, like obviously I'm hoping for like a vaccine and for the world to open up again or something, you know, post covid-19 phir anymore, right? This isn't something that shutting down the countries but shut down the world, but what do you see that like something being really key for for the the industry to recoup well would say that the vaccine at least in the the eye of the month. There will be like a huge benefit and I think that will be the moment where everybody will say Okay, worst case scenario can bank I can get vaccinated. Okay, and I can try it again and I don't have a problem. I will get vaccinated today if I could start traveling again. Yeah, I think I told you the first time we met I told you look I usually leave outside of my apartment one hundred nights a year off. Yeah, I mean it's crazy, you know over the last eight months. I probably traveled a couple of weeks. So it's it's it's really almost an impossible like for me and said I think when we have a vaccine or at least we start having the first vaccine we don't we do not necessarily have to vaccinate all people but the fact that there is a vaccine out there will keep a different different message will give up different message of Hope what you need to understand. Is that what you guys are seeing in the US now, it's something that we saw in Europe month before and especially me being Italian guy. We we were the first country to fight this virus and I do remember like crazy stories. It was like the first months were brutal a lot of debts that fatality wage goes up 10% It was crazy. And so we we tend to take this quite seriously because a lot of people died, you know, everybody they know know somebody that had coronavirus read some kind of complication my fob. Hello has coronavirus Annette complication. So it's we feel very closely. But there is another aspect and that is the the media exposure of the virus. Right? And and of course we are very protective here in Europe, but I think the moment we have a vaccine we could all take a breed and think okay, we can go back to some kind of normality right now. Yeah, I think like twenty Twenty-One. I think we would have to deal with that Luke. Honestly, I don't think it would be much different from 2026 and I don't think I was reading some some some articles. I don't think we will be able to vaccinate the majority of people before 2022 anyway, so I think we will have to deal another year with this is very strange kind of distribution and then back to the 2022-23 back to almost normal. So we have a long long road. This is what you're saying. I think so. Unfortunately, I would like to be optimistic, but honestly, I don't see without a vaccine available for the majority of the population. I don't see how we can restore that trust in in travelling, you know, and and I can understand especially like with corporate traveler or media think Travelers older people travelling has not been safe and I do understand that respect that yeah, I agree. Well, we kind of talked about this in the beginning of the episode but to wrap this up. What do you be talking about? I meet hotel in Italy. I'm kind of curious to give the audience to sneak peek so that way they cuz I'm this is a great episode so listeners. Have you been listening and you like what's I'm Simon has been saying and now what we were talking about here's a little sneak peek of what you can tune into at destination. Italy virtually. Okay, I will talk about posthuman Hospitality. So basically I will talk a lot about The use of technology in hospitality and about this dichotomy between industry being of, you know, people industry and being a tech a tech industry as well. So I will talk about song fascinating topics at least four minutes while we talked a little about transhumanism and I will talk a little about you know, artificial intelligence machine learning to use of Robotics in hotels and I think it will be quite fun. You're the first guest on the show to ever talk about these things and even mention the word of like post humanization and all this other stuff. So I I'm not interested in I'm actually going to be tuning in so I have no no, I have to know more like this is a topic. I know nothing about I'm I'm all about humans people connections Community home. So thinking just the thought of the industry going away from that is like but I bet that is where there's where I think you're wrong because the thing is that the more technology I always home. More technology bring totals the less repetitive jobs, you need to ask to your staff and this stuff can be freed up and they can have the time to actually connect with with drug tests and always do the same example, you know, when I started it back in ninety-nine as a receptionist, there was a lot of human connection because you had to manage such a low level of Technology package all the time. You had was spent with the guests. I can tell you I still have friends that I met in you tell they were guests of mine felt like twenty years ago. Yeah and off the over the the years we kind of lost that because receptionist and prompt office manager general managers. Well, they started focusing more on things such as taking care of reservation inserting information into the PMS checking the child manager checking the checking Bays, etc. Etc. And so I think we lost that human touch down. Can remove the logistic of travel like if you can have a machine taking care of the logistic of travel like everything from PMS to checking in checking out people et cetera. You can get these people to do something better and something more useful. So I think you can actually bring the human touch back by improving your technology stack. So when I talk about that is the main idea of the of the speech when I talk about post-humans banality I'm talking about the fact that actually I'm putting humans again at the center of the ecosystem while everything that can be managed by by robots or by Machine learning whatever can be done and should be done by robots, you know, if they can do it better. Yeah, it's fine. That is what I was looking for. Mayonnaise is some good stuff. No, I now that you've when you phrase it like that that makes so much more sense. You're not taking a human out. You're putting it back in. That's that's some powerful stuff like that. Yeah. Yep. Listeners, you gotta tune in destination. Italy. You got to hear that because this is going to yeah do that just gave me you got me amped up like I'm gonna go to my next meeting right after this screaming and running a kid that just drink coffee for the first time. So, yeah. No, that's incredible. Dude. Yeah Simon eight. You're you're you're you're genius. So I got home. Well, hey man, I just want to appreciate I'd say appreciate you for being on the show for doing what you do really thinking outside the box in the sense of helping bring a new type of conversation to the song Dream. It's incredible. So for listeners, where can they find you? Obviously, I'm going to take everything in the show notes. But if for anybody that wants to dive in more learn more and of course thought maybe even reach out. Where where can they do that? Because we have a website is strong. You are ready. Com so you can get in touch with me directly there. You can find me on LinkedIn. It's quite easy. You can probably copy paste by name on the show and that will be easy to be easier to find especially for non Italian people and and I do have my own podcast. I don't know if I can talk about the competition. Of course. Go ahead. Go ahead. I love it. I do have a My Own Boss you Friday at 3 p.m. Central Europe time where I do go over its called digital I go over the best and travel Tech news of the week when I always have a couple of guests choice would be and I have several videos over the years. We just made the 1-year Finish Line this this October so we're we're pretty happy about the results so she can get in touch with me. It's basically drivers. You ready. Com drop me a message on LinkedIn or tuning every Friday to the podcast. Yeah. No, I just found out when I was doing research about and I told you this but for the audience I dead. Was doing my research before our conversation and I found out he had a podcast students like what the heck you never told me this like a tarp reach at this is great. And it's a good show. I'm it's a different state. I guess it's different. It's a different thing in Hospitality. That doesn't get covered by you know, the top Tech news in hotels and hospitality is is something that's covered on the sense of like everyone has to cover it, but we don't cover in the depth that you guys do and so it was really cool to like listen to a few episodes and get to thank you. Yeah. No, it was it was awesome. So definitely tune in a link in the show notes slow talkers tuning. I meet Hotel destination in early. Listen to Simon is talk and of course tune into everything that he's doing great stuff. I'm going to link it on the show notes Simon a you're the best my friend. Thank you for joining me on the show. And yeah, I'm excited to see more that you do this incredible. Great. 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Virtual Assistants In Hospitality

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Virtual Assistants In Hospitality

"Hey guys, big announcement here. I'm participating in the first ever return on rentals virtual event with some of the most amazing and awesome. A tree friends I've ever had this event is unique and different. We're aiming to shake it up and we love to have you there. It's all property managers talking about how they use technology to solve problems. There's even a virtual happy hour which is kind of like speed-dating but in order to make virtual connections conferences or canceled, but the opportunity to connect is not so please join us. I'll have a link off my show notes. I would love to see you guys there. I'm going to be a speaking on the power of connections with some amazing industry thought-leaders and let's be honest just some badass women. So go ahead join us as a free event hop on there. I look forward to seeing you there. And of course having a drink with you afterwards at the happy hour. And it's typically because they're not willing to spend the time, you know, creating a system and process for generating Revenue creating a system and process for generating leads creating a system and process for service your customers and doing customer support and service. Right? So in the we do at stage, it's a lot of documentation. It's a lot of training. It's a lot of teaching and that's what entrepreneurs get stuck at. That's where the hard work is. But at some point you cross that million dollar Mark you go from we do it too they do it and then they do it stage. Your team is primarily doing the production for you. Welcome to Slick talk the hospitality podcast where we discuss all things Hospitality hotels and business. You can find us online at slick talk the podcast.com and on every podcast listening platform. Staring down the barrel of a 60% permanent closure rate. It's time to fix what's broke. It's time to change the game the hospitality industry. Is that a pivotal point and it's become painfully obvious the business Acumen strategic planning. Well matter just as much as resilience. There's no shortage of resources ranging from down to apply for loans to how to negotiate with your landlord. But at some point we will turn our sights towards the future and when that time comes we'll need tools and strategies to thrive not just survive in the hospitality industry. We fix our own problems. This is no different. We've created a group called the hospitality game changers on Facebook a platform. He already used. I believe it's a space just for us. We're we're taking the most difficult issues facing our industry and creating Solutions. It's updated daily with the most compelling audio written and video content to make sure you're plugged into what's going on today. And what can help us tomorrow as quick and easy and free to join just log into Facebook and search Hospitality game-changers in the search bar. And you all set. We can't change the cards that we are dealt, but we can change how we play the game. He's kind of like The Joe Rogan of hospitality industry right now. Are everybody welcome back to Slick talk the hospitality podcast. I'm your host will Slickers like always an exciting week. We get awesome gas and I get to learn a bunch of new stuff. I normally don't worry. And so today's week is featuring a Daniel Ramsey. Who is the CEO and founder of m o d or f as in terms of my out desk. So it's a pretty fun and exciting episode. I'm learning a lot of new stuff stuff. I've been questioning for quite a while on will this work for me Candace work for young people. I know in the hospitality space and so we're going to be talking about virtual assistants and what that looks like with hospitality along other Industries out there that Daniel obviously has created his company for So Daniel, welcome to the show. I'm excited having my friend how we get woman. I'm good man. Thanks for having me excited to be here. Yeah. Awesome, dude. Well, you look great. I heard you just got done playing. Soccer so bring the fire. Yeah a little afternoon exercise, you know, it's always good for people and let's get let's give the audience a little bit of a taste of your background. Where are you based at home in Sacramento, California and our business is thirteen years old and basically what we do is we help businesses grow by providing high-caliber leverage to talk to anybody who's thinking about scaling and typically our clients come to us because they need to buy some of their time back. Yeah. That's the number one thing I get told and obviously, you know, I've had a full detailed conversation into this. Yeah buying the time back is really important. And so let's give the audience a little bit of a background of my desk what you guys do. Like you said is thirteen years old. So I'm I'm pretty sure there's a you know, a dope-ass background story going into how it all started what the kind of creation was funny really for it. I don't know if it's dope, but I'll do my job. Man here. So I mean here here's what happened. I was on my honeymoon with my wife. So we're like climbing through the jungles and Guatemala and basically, it's just beautiful Resort. It's the Francis Ford Coppola Resort. So, you know, the guys make makes movies and and hotels and you know, beautiful wine one of my favorite Wines By the way and and see where we're at. This Resort or haven't were a couple of days in and we're having beautiful food. There's monkeys swinging around and it's like one of those Bungalows that's like up in the trees. So our our room is literally up in the trees overlooking this huge Lake and I found myself like many entrepreneurs do in you know at the bar at 1 in the morning actually working. So closing a real estate transaction, I was just I needed to do it and at that particular moment, you know, the challenges that that it just kind of shattered my brain, right the The Bartender song. In there, he couldn't leave until I left cuz I was ordering beer and working right and here I am he takes my phone and starts making fun of me like stupid white guy, you know, beautiful bride back in the room, you know dumb Americans working like crazy what's wrong with this guy? Right? And you know, that's just the reality of being an entrepreneur and in that moment. I had an epiphany and I knew that I needed to shift the business to a more systematic process base thing something that I could hire somebody to do and I could take vacations. It's that's kind of the struggle like and I think we still realize that even with all the tools that we have today. You know, like I think I don't know probably is a little different for you since the, you know, run a virtual assistant company, but I think you know, we we always try to find this work-life balance and that's always been how can I achieve the financial success that I want to live the lifestyle that I am and then of course, there's give and takes there's personal relationships. There's business relationships. There's all sorts of, you know sacrifices that come and go with the whole the whole scenario, but no, that's so crazy though on your honeymoon. Yeah, so on my honeymoon and so in that moment, you know, the bartender's making fun of me and I'm thinking yeah, what is wrong with me. What what do I need to change? You know, and so I came back and really focused on you know, how do I get Leverage What do I have to build in order to not be in the day-to-day and that led me down a path of birth. Learning how to scale a business and we were rapidly growing at that time and we were crossing that threshold of becoming a million dollar business. So like and and so there were a lot of moving Parts within the business, you know sales support service and then you had to deliver something to the client and then all of a sudden there was this customer service need and so our business was growing and what I am wise I was kind of like a helicopter delegator. So I would give an employee something to do and then I'd you know verify that it was done exactly how I wanted to do it and or I how I wanted them to do it but I didn't take the time to actually write it down or create training videos or do real good training. And so part of what I did when I came back as we just started documenting everything that we did back in hiring specific specialist for those roles. So if there was a sales job the sales people only did sales after they finished the sale then it got handed off to a service person. And so we started breaking up our business hours. Us into this this model where there were highly specialized roles within the business then we hired a bunch of virtual assistance to support our us staff and we created something that we call a blended model. We're off part of your operations is us with U.S. License people who are you know, the experts at their role and they're supported with virtual assistants and together they build, you know, a lot of scale and red for a company. That's awesome. And that's a a topic that we discuss on the show a lot recently, especially with covid-19. I think we've we've seen in the industry, you know vacation rentals hotels Etc Hospitality as a whole a lot of companies are you know, forgive me for going off a little a little off the outline too, but it's we're seeing a lot of people are a lot of commotion. I should say that have scales really quickly and become like the the Highlight, you know favored child and the in the industry where you know, so and so, you know just got Sirius b e d whatever funding and all Right. We're seeing a scale to like an insane amount of proportion and then all of a sudden three weeks a month. Maybe let's say six or eight weeks and took Hogan we're seeing them go out of business out of nowhere. And so we're seeing a scalability but we're not seeing profitability. And so I think when it comes to scalability impact implying that those two kind of going hand-in-hand, right so with and this is something I'm learning to where you know young vacation rental company. Yeah, I would say young cast but not young podcast, you know full time within you know, the last two thousand twenty twenty year but finding that in between of how do I scale but Like you when you were in the bar at 1 a.m. On your honeymoon, you're the one that has to make the transaction. So how do you find the way to get out of being the one that has to make that Revenue stream versus getting somebody to make that day-to-day choice of this is going to better the business to get that Revenue. So I kind of want to dive into how did you get there with my desk? And what did you guys realize from your Dodge Journey and just from of course growing your own business. How did you realize the nice sweet spot the point that could increase profits while also scaling looks interesting. We'd like to give away a copy of our book later and we actually documented that entire Journey the company did and we wrote a book. It's called scaling your business with virtual professionals. And in the book we talked about the seven-figure business office map and it's really broken into three different sections. You've got I do it who are brand new to the market and they're learning and growing right? You're starting to figure out what revenue is your starting to figure out wage. Mark if it is what your model how to get how to get clients and customers and then how to keep them. Right? So in the I do it you're by yourself your solo entrepreneur, you're out there fighting to exactly you're right raising your hand. You're out there fighting to Define who you're going to be in the market place and who you're going to serve at some point you get lucky enough to figure that out. And you decide to hire something someone the moment. Would you hire someone all of a sudden your business has changed you move from an I do it to a we do it in the we do it phase. It's all about the system and process we get customers all the time. We come back and say hey, look I need somebody to help me make sales for my business and I'm like great. Can you guys do that? I'm like absolutely we can do that. Tell me about your system and process and that's when they're like, huh? What do you mean system and press I just called people and I just I just do this stuff. The thing is as an entrepreneur. It's all in our head and you just know how to you kind of got your way through it, right? Cuz you just know what to do, but the moment you hire something The moment you bring somebody into your world and you decide to you know be a we do it company, you have to start creating a system and process. So someone else can do a part of the job for years and that that is actually where most people get stuck. I mean 96% of all businesses are below a million dollars like 96. There's twenty eight million in the US if you think about that 96% to 60% of them tell the IRS that they made no money. So the more than half of businesses out there don't make money number one. Number two, ninety 6% of them never make it over a million dollars and it's typically because they're not willing to spend the time, you know, creating a system and process for generating Revenue creating a system and process for generating leads creating a system and process for serving your customers and doing customer support and service. Right? So in the we do it stage, it's a lot of documentation. It's a lot of training. It's a log Teaching and that's what entrepreneurs get stuck at that's where the hard work is. But at some point you cross that million dollar Mark you go from we do it to a they do it and then they don't do it stage. Your team is primarily doing the production for you. It's like finding that it's like that stage of Hustler to CEO. Yeah, because I think that's how I see it. I'm just like, you know cuz been on the hustle and bustle for a couple of years and it's just like wage. All right, I can't imagine somebody else doing this like in a sense of I have no idea how the hell the communicate what's in my head and put it on paper or in video or whatever and get them to understand it. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that's like the biggest hard part and so with with you and I I love your journey and like I said, I kind of read majority of your book. I haven't gotten all the way through it. But I love what I ran. I just think you're revealing a lot of stuff to those people that I think are going from that hustle and bustle to I need to become CEO. I need to become a like I need to they need help transitioning from the idea that we do it. They do it if the process, you know for the select audience. I want to dive into your real estate Journey a little bit. I think you're a background. To real estate will really help understand. We have a good mix of I also slick talkers out. There we have in the US 75% is my listenership in the US and then out of that song 5% in the US majority in California, and we're seeing a lot of these people are in restaurants hotels and short-term rentals, which you've had experience with and we've talked about so how long um when you were in your real estate business flipping selling doing whatever. Um, how did you leverage virtual assistants or virtual, you know helpers and cents with that and creamer do for a business? Yeah, my first step as a real estate guy was to get rid of all the paperwork I last night. I actually made an offer on a property and it's funny because there's like thirty seven pages just to write an offer, you know, and as a real estate broker, it's a little insane and and I was like cuz it's not my normal day-to-day business anymore, but I'm still licensed broker still a khong. Like they're still developer and so every once awhile, I see something on the market and I'm like, oh, I gotta go get it, you know and last night reminded me how much I hated doing the paperwork. Like I'm talking about page after page of just documents and and you know, you gotta fill in this and then you gotta look up this number and so my first Outsourcing kind of Soiree into the virtual assistant world was just 100% off leaving myself of all data all documents my CRM anything that was administrative in nature. I gave it away. And the reality is, you know, a gorilla state Hospitality short-term rentals restaurants. I can't tell you how many times people don't answer the phone like this is nuts to me like you own a business phone calls, you're busy, you know running the the business restaurant Hotel short term rental, whatever and nobody answers. Like I swear. This is a huge opportunity for a virtual Sim. The administrative side of just answering the phones doing the CRM following up with customers and clients filling out all the paperwork keeping track of who's booking or who's not booking making reservations like off of that stuff is not important to generating Revenue. It's it has to get done. It's important but it doesn't drive revenue or doesn't help you double your business, which is what we're all about. We're all about helping people figure out ways to leverage tasks off their plate and so 100% That was my first step is just getting rid of all the paperwork. And so with that what did that for you up to do? Well, that's exactly the point we call that compound leverage and in the book, we have an entire, you know section that is dedicated to how you draw revenue and scale within a business. If you think about everything that entrepreneur does I mean you wear like thirteen different hats there's like a bazillion things you have to do like you're going to you know produce this podcast, right? You're going to do the copy for it the graphics you're going to you know, break it up and and do all that although what your highest and best use is is probably booking great guess and get on other podcasts. So what we would do is we would take over the stuff within your podcast within a short term rental a restaurant that is just not Revenue generation, and then the owner can focus on like, how do I book more people? How do I get more Revenue? How do I find that other deal and really grow my net worth? Cuz that's what we're all about as entrepreneurs is time Freedom. We want to buy back our life. Right and be able to do whatever we want with it and then we want to grow our net worth and so, you know that that the best advice that I ever got was due the thing that only you can do inside of your business and there are multiple things, you know that that you can busy yourself with but there's only certain things that only you can do as the owner or entrepreneur or founder off and I was just saying this to my barber today and I think it's funny that you said it but she was had my hair and she's like, how's it feel to work for yourself? Like how does it feel not have a boss man? I was like, yeah. It was really good like trust me. I am now I'm young. I'm very young. And so I'm very honored and like very thankful for this opportunity. Right? Like I'm twenty-five and I'm about to go travel for 16 days. I'm you know doing all this stuff and I have nobody to report to other than like, you know, a meeting like this where we practice right? Right, but then I told her I was like, you know really been struggling with and realizing the transition from full-time job. Employment and working for a W-2 and training my time for money was that I had a job description. I had a day-to-day list. I had a week-to-week list or the month month list of what I need to accomplish has a faith. Yep manager or as a GM or whatever are certain Revenue goals for the hotel. I had you know training's I had onboarding I had inspections I had maintenance and like all these things right you get laid out grass what like the you know, I think that's a perk of working for somebody else is like you don't really have to tell yourself what you need to do. It's already there for you and you seem to go do it and so as an entrepreneur though, I've been struggling like wage. I was like I was I was one recording today. So I'm I'm pretty much just done and then I was like no no no, no no holdup. There's a lot more to do and so breaking it down to like actually laying out your life. So what do I actually need to do in order to set myself up? How do I free up more time for when I'm on that travelling for 16 days. How do I you know use my time appropriately in order to get this and so khong? Creating like a legit structure maybe not structure, but just kind of like a a duties, you know, I need to schedule the media and the social media and the editing and blah blah blah like, you know, like I'm kind of all these tasks that you're talking about finding a way to create that I think is the hardest part and so I don't know from your own personal experience and again Off Script, but what what have been the ways that you have been able to get into that mode of creating your duties like what you need to do as I sold entrepreneur to then like growing into that expanding scale. It's a great it's a great question. And again we go back to the I do it staged within the book seven-figure business roadmap there specific things that you have to focus on at different Revenue points. And so long in the I do it when you're building your own thing or you're kind of on your own for your first time. The only focus is on Revenue. That's it. The only thing that matters so, you know you figure out exactly who your Market is down. You're going to grow that market who you serve what they need and figure out ways to deliver that and really that should take you from zero to about a half a million dollars in Revenue. So until you're generating a half a million dollars in Revenue like your entire focus is on. How do I grow Revenue? How do I sell more of my product or service? Who's my target market? What do they need? One of my favorite stories? There's a tech guy. Who all he does is by failing tech companies and he buys these companies strips out all of the fluff and then he interviews the existing customers and says, what do you actually use this thing for and what do you need and then he gets enough of them to say if you built this piece in your technology. I would pay you more he presides all that then he goes to work and builds that piece. So you almost have to be a scientist or a detective with your clients to figure out like what are they willing to pay for? What can I get them? No to buy from me. And what does that look like and and you're really just simply figuring out your Market fit and how to sell and how to grow your Revenue. That's the only focus up a half a million dollars or so. Gotcha. Well see like and this is another part that goes into Hospitality for us is like creating value. Right? So like there's so many things I think a lot of short-term operators or hotel managers or whatever think that they need, right? Yeah. We need to get this we need to automate that we need to do this and blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah goes on and on so for Thursday, you know, the think that we need in order to scale. But actually what does it really take in like what do you actually need and then finding that in between spot and I kind of want to use that to segue into a Jeep from you know, for real estate and you're still doing it, you know kind of like a side and entrepreneurs always have multiple streams of income so we know that to a full virtual reality or not virtual reality. Yep. Assistant yeah firm. So let's let's dive into the property management side cuz you and I've talked about this a little bit off Off Script. I've seen em, um marketing a property managing the services such as reservations and Catering the experience and providing value. So like really listening to the customer Amazon does a really good job of this is why they become one of the biggest the biggest company in the world is because they really focused on the customer kind of you said they become the mad scientist that creates a Frankenstein of pieces and puzzles and all that stuff. So often does this work like how does a virtual assistant work for a business such as a vacation rental company we can use mine. For example, you can use any other ones that you want for example, but I think that's really I think the lawyers want to know. What is how like virtual assistant exactly? How like what? Yeah, actually yeah. Yeah, I gotcha. Okay, we've got this great client. His name's Tyler and I started working with him, maybe two and a half years ago and he's a vacation rental guy and you know, he had three Partners when we first started working together and they were very segmented meeting. He was in charge of Acquisitions one partner was guest services and then another partner was just kind of Renovations and getting the getting the properties like ready right to rent out and it was a really interesting life, you know bifurcation of the roles like all these different kind of jobs are exists when you own rentals or or our property manager and what happened was they wanted to 5 or get rid of guest services all of the booking stuff all the questions the calls. Hey, I can't find the lock box and you're like, no. It's pretty you know, we emailed you that, you know, like all the questions right? He wanted a dog. At off the office plate and then all of the bookings on in the inside of the systems and the responding to customer concerns and having a phone number for somebody to actually call 24/7. Like when I was a problem like wildly enough when they were looking at it they had three partners and the guest services was the lowest value thing. It had to happen but it wouldn't change their net world worth, you know, like it's not going to add more units to their to their company. It's not going to mean that they've got that deal. And so what what happened literally was the customer service person am a virtual assistant and they took out over for like want to say they had forty different rentals short-term rentals, right? And so our virtual assistant handled that we added another one so that they could have coverage, you know early morning to late night. So if there was an issue, somebody was always there on the phone to chat or call in case there's a challenge and the reality. Is that other partner dead. Then tried to step into Acquisitions like to help find property right find property basically, you know decide if it's a goodbye or not under write it down. It turns out that this this partner just didn't have the skill set to do that. Like it wasn't part of what you wanted to do. And so actually that one partner the original founding partner said well, if you don't want to do guest services and you don't want to do Acquisitions, what do you want to do and that guy actually ended up buying the other two partners out so our virtual assistant literally replaced two partners in this business and then we added another virtual assistant and this person now our client is just focused on Acquisitions and everything else about the business, you know, collecting the the credit card information making sure the system doing the p&l guest services. All of that work is done by a virtual assistant. Thereby freeing up our client to just find new properties and get them get them into the fun job. And get them, you know rented and grow their net worth. So our whole world is around enabling, you know, whether it's property managers hotels short-term rentals everybody in the in the business game enabling you to focus on what really matters which typically is growing worth and growing Revenue. Yeah, especially if you can do it at a scalable hospitable hand of there's you know, getting rid of two partners opens up profit-share for him. Yeah, right and then now having to Virtual assistants which he's paying whatever, you know, x amount of dollars a month in order to grow inventory. And then also look at his p&l which you can say. All right, we're paying too much for this we have cut this and grow, you know rates here or nightly rates are a minimum length to say like month becomes strategic right? And then to now not only does he have two partners is have to pay out. Yes raised His prophets and by lowering the cost of you know flipping a room or flashing. Property or whatever and then also creating this free time. So I think it's pretty incredible. And so have we have another client and he owns half a billion dollars worth of real estate and as a property manager, he had eight property managers and they each had this portfolio of of commercial properties that they you know, managed Covetous. It's an age, you know, thankfully we were already there. But each of these property managers had an assistant property manager one of our virtual assistants Covetous and they're just getting inundated with calls from their tenants. Right? And so the wrong idea is your best people can help you optimize Revenue within your business, you know, Revenue management is such a big deal in real estate and property short-term Property Management. Maybe the only thing but the reality is we just give our customers the opportunity to focus on what really matters and then we do all the they're busy work for them whether it's sales service dog. Getting or administrative tasks. Awesome. I love it. Well, I was going to ask also kind of like a side know like obviously my out desk you guys, you know service marketing and short-term rentals and stuff like that. But what other Industries are you guys in fun ones like insurance. We have a boat broker in Florida. I don't know construction companies. I mean if you're listening right now, I start off as a real estate guy. I was a mortgage guy. I'm conscious general contractor. We were developing properties wildly enough. One of the ads that I had early on in the business was I just needed somebody to manage projects for me. I keep receipts and time frames and copy of vendors. Make sure we have everybody's paperwork and contracts and wildly enough. That's a big deal when you're managing property tax, you know, and so, you know, and you know, we had complicated ownership structures. So somebody had to manage like this p&l is 50/50 and this 170, you know, like and just managing all of them. Is different from you know, once you've set them up, it's very easy to manage them and maintain them but the challenge is the time it takes to set them up. And so we headed virtual assistants that handled all of that stuff box cannabis technology companies marketing agencies podcasters like you I mean anybody who who is growing a business and you need to buy some of them I'm back. We we likely can help you. That's awesome. And I was going to go into I think that's a great way to segue. Cuz when we had our preach at you kind of gave me some tips right you said well most people when they get a virtual assistant, they expect to just like right here you go and walk away. So what are the top 5 tips you have for anybody considering a virtual assistant, especially especially in the hospitality space. I think you gave me some good ones and then I think there's definitely some you know top 5 that you can apply to this this song. Yeah. I mean, I'll I'll run through some of the things we help people with a consultation. So if you're listening right now off, We've got two things. We got a gift. I'm going to give away. I'm grabbing our book right here. I'm going to give away a copy of our book. I'd love you guys as as listeners just to grab it. It has spawned nothing in here like how to train them how to build a system in process how to launch them. What what tech do they need, you know, they're in in a different country. So what do they need to do to serve you here in the office? And then it has all all that stuff in there. So if your listing go ahead and grab your cellphone real quick and in the text message section just text SVP. That's the message scale with virtual professionals. So SVP the message and then in the number section, you're going to put three 1996 and you'll get a copy of the book and you know, I don't mind telling people how much you know virtual assistance costs. I think it's a good idea to give them a baseline, but it's about $430 a week. So about $430 but part of birth. Process is helping people discover what exactly they need help with so we do a consultation where we you know, basically we talked through like what your system's processes are right. Now, you know who's on your team today? How are you generating Revenue? What do you need to get off of your plate? And then we craft a plan so that there is a clear outcome for a virtual assistant, whether it's producing a podcast or helping with guest services or answering the phone. I mean one of our one of our big things is again, you know an HP AC unit off of our units or one of our rentals went out once and it was during the summer and so, you know, you're pretty motivated to get somebody to fix that for your tenant cuz it's hot in here in California. So it's hot you sure you got the fires going to so yeah exactly. So crazy stuff happening. So we called like four places and like only one of them ever returned our call and it took him two days. You know, I know that they're busy but like, you know having reviews online offering your phone making sure your website is clear like these little things that we can serve and support people in it's super important. So it's just one having a plan to change one thing that the book talks about is play pause do which is our version of doing a training manual for somebody. We're we're on a zoom recording right now. We're face-to-face. Well, you're actually hiring somebody to grow your you know, help you grow your business. One of the things you can do is just do Zooms in the morning with them say, good morning. I'm going to show you one thing today to handle a knock out for me and we're gonna do it together and zoom and then I'm going to talk about the how what and why of doing that particular task and as soon as you document something like that on video where you're doing it with them and they can ask you questions dead. The next step is just having them do the work document it write it down into a Google doc. And then you sign off and say yes, this is exactly how I want to do it for the rest of our career. And when you do something like that now you've started to actually create value inside your business and that's what makes it sellable to someone else. That's the other thing that's really important is as you create systems and processes off and you move from I we to they you can't sell a business when it's an eye or a we thing like it's not sellable. Nobody wants to buy that business, you know, but when it's a they do it business when you get a team that is in the production, that's when you can actually sell the thing. That's when it becomes an asset. So those are just some of the tips that we would we would provide. Yeah. No, I think took a lot of people especially, you know, people like me I talked like I said, it's it's a scary thing to start thinking about and be like, okay, how am I like just the thought of especially I think wage? How know sites like maybe 5 or up work maybe kind of brought in a bad kind of reputation for a virtual assistants. So I just because of the overseas thing and you know being you know EXT, but they're in the Philippines and they all speak English and they can understand like exactly what the goal is right and not that there's anything wrong with being in the Philippines and not speaking English, but it's it's kind of an important role of communication. And so when it comes to I think that it gets really scary for a lot of us especially here in the US are trying to grow and trying to provide value and trying to do this how have you guys with with my Odessa that's really kind of try to shift that that perspective of they're not, you know, just people in a foreign country, you know, they are just working for a small dollar or I kind of read a little bit about the book club. I kind of want to know your your opinion on how you guys have shifted that a little bit Yeah. So one thing I'm because I'm an entrepreneur I have I'm a little bit crazy and I have high standards. So when we first said this coming Thursday Thirteen years ago. I wanted our talent to be standout Talent. So I think of fiber and up work as dating sites and you you get a kiss a lot of frogs if you understand the allergy, you gotta kiss a lot of frogs before you find the the queen or the King, right? And so what we've done in our business, we we call ourselves a marriage site. So we're looking for entrepreneurs who need full-time help who want to drive and drive their revenue who want to give away, you know, half or more of their day so they can focus on you know, sales and revenue wage. Yeah. Our talent is is awesome. They speak English. We do an FBI grade background check. They have technology that they log into every day. We do a lot of verification of like their computer or their internet speed their communication style, you know, you get to work with our people every single day. We're we're a staffing company that specializes in helping people buy them. Time back. So and the other piece is you sign up you interview our clients get a choose the person so you get a vet. The person will help you through that process. And yeah, I think it'll be great. Yeah. So you're you're pretty much holding the hand to help like with the trust and confidence on that piece of of stuff cuz like I think it's the way you put it, you know, dating site for back up cell or whatever. It's called and fiber is a good way to describe it. But sometimes leading up to the marriage you need a little hand-holding and I think that is that is totally okay and I love that because like I said, that's the scariest part for a lot of entrepreneurs, especially in the vacation rental space right now just because a super relatable for me is that it's just boomed and obviously we've had a little bit of a shift with covid-19. Do then helping that bar that's being raised to the companies are holding that standard. So I think a lot of people are also starting to realize that and so introducing virtual assistance is really dead, you know, just kind of like that new put your toe in the water type type deal. So Daniel, I just want to say thank you again for being on the show and for you know, being of a part of the Slick Talk network. It's just kind of being a genuine dude and entrepreneur. I love it. Do you have any conclusion or final thoughts for the episode and for the slip type of stores out there? Obviously, we want everyone to text for the book and get you, you know, obviously that free download I think it's really insightful piece, but I want to know any final thoughts. Yeah. I'm excited about helping entrepreneurs. It's what drives the business like, we we are here to serve. So one of the things I would encourage people to do is if you've ever considered a virtual assistant, you can just jump on our website my out desk, we have a dog Tire section their blogs videos webinars podcast, we have a podcast that focuses on our clients and how they won with virtual assistants. The book is an awesome resource. But if you're even wildly wondering if a virtual assistant can help my suggestion is to jump on our website grab a consultation. It costs you absolutely nothing and you will walk away with a plan for launching it in your business whether you decide to hire us or not, you'll walk away with everything that you need in order to do so and yeah, we just be happy to serve and love to you know, help your audience out. Awesome. Well, Daniel, honestly, like I said, it's been a pleasure. I'm really excited. All you slick talk listeners out there just be aware in the show notes. I'm getting everything so you don't need to go, you know searching for my desk or anything. I'm going to link every single thing into the show notes. So you have it right at the fingertips if you listen on Apple podcast Spotify or Google podcast app You can obviously link it by the goes to sleep talk the podcast, everything will be there, too. So someone who's a great spot and a good resource. So, thank you Daniel for being on the show super excited to see what you guys are going to do, and I look forward to probably working with you because let's be honest. I made I need you need it. I need it. All right. Good deal. What will it was a pleasure. Thanks for having me today. My pleasure. Thank God. Thank you so much for listening. We love your support and want to provide the best we can to all our listeners. So, please find Us online social media and on Spotify Apple podcast and Google podcast.

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Building an Invincible Brand with Melissa Agnes

Slick Talk: The Hospitality Podcast

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Building an Invincible Brand with Melissa Agnes

"Everyone thank you for listening to my podcast today. I did WanNa talk about something really quick. Have you ever wanted to start your own. podcasting get a podcast. Cast a platform like slick talk the hospitality podcasts. Will you can is really easy and really simple and today. I want to tell you about anchor. which is the platform is used to distribute create? And Edit my podcast anchor is a free service where I'm not paying dime also is very user friendly. I have have on my phone. I also have it in my laptop I've been able to distribute over nine different platforms to have my podcasts. Heard all over the world and I'm super excited I to tell you guys about it today so if you WANNA learn more about starting your own podcast go to anchor DOT FM slash. Start and you'll join a great community entity an easy support an easy platform for creating a podcast like mine so join now and let me know if you have any questions. I'd love to help and listen to your podcast when it comes out. What's up? Everybody I'm your host will slickers guys for your patients for this episode. It's been awhile since I posted in episode. Just because of you know Thanksgiving and Christmas and all that good stuff but lots of exciting stuff happening this week so again. Thank you for tuning back and I WANNA editor. 's You and kind of talk about today's guest on the show. Her name is Melissa. Agnes she is an author a keynote speaker a strategic advisor to some of the world's leading brands brands to give you an example. She's worked with Hilton. I believe still does. But don't quote me on that episode. We talked about her book called Crisis Ready Building an invincible brand in an uncertain world. And kind of what that means on being crisis ready versus was an issue in a crisis and how can leaders and pretty much anybody in the community. Whether you're in a hotel a restaurant or anything else like that. How can we develop that culture from within from the leadership leadership down all the way to whoever and as a really cool conversation we had a lot of fun? I believe just talking into what it means to be good leadership along with problem solving and looking at a different mindset and I love the quote that or the you know the word that she used looking at different Lens and so in this episode. When I talk talk about that on what it means to be crisis ready how to define crisis and issue slash problem and so yeah? That was a fun episode record. I hope you guys enjoying tons of value and stick through to the end and you can find out more about Melissa and how to get her book as well as all the other. Oh cool information in the episode stay tuned to slick talk the hospitality past. Were we discussed all things. Hospitality hotels tells and business. You can find US online at slick. Talk the PODCAST DOT COM and on every podcast listening platform. All right. Thank you for joining Slick Talk Hospitality podcast again today. I'm your host will slickers. I'm I'm really excited to have Melissa Agnes on the show She is a crisis readiness expert. So Lissa how're you doing ending really well. Well how are you doing excellent really pumped to have you on the show We talk a little bit forehand and I really want to Kindai include Ludo episode entails as crisis readiness. which is what you're an expert on and Kinda tell about yourself and what you do and how you got to where you are as well as a little bit about your book and we'll dive in from there sure Okay so what I do. I help organizations I. I say that I help organizations build Brennan invincibility so in GonNa say. Invincible is another word but exactly that so build Brandin invincibility so the way that I do that is through my lens which is crisis readiness. So I hope I helped companies around the world of different scales of different sizes at this is it for different industries different sectors so public private sectors academia etcetera. I helped them understand. What risks what? What risk looks like to them how to prevent the preventable and then how to because we can't prevent every risk? So how do you make sure that in this uncertain world in this world of very dynamic risk that can kind of come from any angle. How do you make sure that your entire hire team from every department every region excetera understands three things intrinsically? Well they understand what risks looks like so so they can detect it in real time giving you the head start of a A proper response the understand how to assess material impact on the organization so in other words is an issue or is it a crisis because in this day and age an issue can go viral and feel like a crisis but not actually amount to be crisis level all and so your response to that issue needs to be appropriate and you don't WanNa add fuel to a fire. That actually escalates it so making sure that the team really understands split results like and then how to assess it and then ultimately how do you respond to any type of negative event be it an issue straight through to cash catastrophic crisis in a way where where you don't just you know mitigate for the revelation and mitigate long-term material impact but you come out of it with increase trust and credibility and goodwill in the brand that you work so hard every day to foster that brand equity within definitely and so this is on your book in Crisis Ready Building an invisible blue brand in uncertainty world WREC. Yes Oh yes. That book is literally the roadmap to how to do this stuff awesome. What's companies? Have you worked with that. Have seen successful results from this type of strategy and of course differentiating and you know between an issue in a crisis. Okay I'll give you a story. I work with so many different organizations. I don't I work in Very complex complex situations and very sensitive. So I don't like to say plant names but I will give you a story that I love so I had A. I have a client who called a few years ago like three years ago now because they had their venue. They're one of the biggest venues further type in North America. And they have over this courses sources a month they have about two point six million people on the grounds at any given point in time they can have about one hundred. Eighty five thousand is usually their peak at any one moment and they called me after they had what turned out to be a firearm discharge of a firearm. But at at the time everybody thought one hundred and eighty five thousand. People thought that it was a A shooting attack right like a weekly a violent Mass shooter and so panic ensued and they called me after the incident was resolved. And they said we're not sure that we took the right approach. We think that we need some training because they were tweeting as their form of emergency management emergency communication and they absolutely should not have been tweeting tweeting right like in in that type of incident Social Media and the media are the secondary music communication to let others know example sampled to let parents know that their kids are okay once their kids are okay but the primary means of communication needs to be to make sure those kids are okay right on the grounds So they they recognize that they didn't know really what they didn't have the expertise didn't have the training so they call. They WANNA training. What they got from me was a very strong response on why they don't need training right now they need? They need process and protocol and a crisis reading program and then we do the training so they were wise and they took that advice and over over the last three years every year we work. We increase their crisis readiness and about a year ago. I WANNA say or maybe at the start of this year which which is about a year ago almost they called me and they said you know Melissa. I don't think your definition for issue versus crisis applies to us and and I said Oh tell me why because I'm a very clear definition which I can share with you guys later A minute a man I said so. Tell me why they said well because we had an incident it was not an issue but it had we had to respond to it. I'm sorry it was not a crisis that we had to respond to it as though it was a crisis and so they walked me through it. And what what it came down to was there so crisis ready. That and I was such a proud moment for me because I got to say. Can we just pause and reflect on. Go three years ago when you called me. You had a potential active shooter and you were tweeting. And you knew that that wasn't the right approach and when you call to help and today you just had what was absolutely a potential crisis quickly escalating and instinctively you and the entire team were able to do exactly what was right exactly what you needed to do in both action and communication because both are required simultaneously to be done effectively in managing a crisis. And you were able to instinctively deescalate that down to an issue level and then from there quickly escalated down to a non issue level to keep me. That's like the epitome of I don't want my clients to need me. I don't mind to have crises. Crises I don't want them to need me when something happens and to know that just the one eighty. This incredible organization did because of their efforts because of their dedication and the trainings meanings and everything that they put forth And put time and commitment to and the people that they save the lives that they protect result of that is just is is is the reason that I do what I do exactly so they roy. We don't really need. You know you need me as you did everything that we've worked together as proven to work that's pretty exactly yeah well kind of what does it mean for an organization to be crisis Ray. We've been talking about it. We talked about a little bit on what issue in crisis means but how can the listeners. Because a lot of the podcast listeners out there is a very very very wide audience but I think the main thing ties altogether From me to the audiences that hospitality is about people's about the experience of gas. Ask and whether it's a restaurant or vacation rental or hotel or whatever the hospitality Is is the key aspect so we have anywhere from executives that listen in you know big name brands or small independent Boutiques as well as the brand new beginner. WHO's working front desk in housekeeping or for any kind of position like that along with a big vacation rental market area so for the listeners? I'm going to become crisis ready. And kinda define those terms for. Yeah absolutely and it's amazing that you have such a diverse audience as wonderful So becoming crisis ready really is cultural. It's it's not about having a plan that the majority of the organization does even know exists on a shelf which is typically speaking traditionally speaking speaking what crisis preparedness is which is why I don't call a crisis preparedness. We need to start thinking differently about it. So that's why I chose Crisis Ready which wasn't a term that was being very it will wasn't being used in the industry before and so it really is cultural so it starts? Its lead top down supported bottom up and so every single listener has a responsibility on care if you're sitting on the C. Suite if you are managing if you're at the front desk it doesn't doesn't matter if you're housekeeping. You have responsibility in the organizations prices readiness and you need to be empowered. This is to leadership empowered to you. Make that responsibility owned and for every employee to feel secure and confident and competent in that responsibility. Because let's face it a crisis assists for in the hospitality. Industry can be catastrophic right. It could be a fire that you know puts people in danger. It could be a terrorist this attack. It could be. It could be a terrorist attack outside of the actual rand but you just happen to be in the vicinity located in the vicinity. And now all all of a sudden you're either housing crisis peop- victims and working with law enforcement or you are just a part of it because you happen to be wrong place time unfortunately. Yeah absolutely natural disasters foodborne illness Pandemics I mean the risks that pertains to and then not to mention you know viral issues on. I don't know of somebody unemployed doing something ridiculously foolish and It being caught on camera. Because that's in everybody's pocket and it goes viral and all the sudden. Nobody wants to come to your. You know it's tarnishing. Your brand is tarnishing. Your names from Shane Reputation and trust and credibility that you've built so it is it's really important and so one of the first steps to getting there coming ready is truly defining the difference between issue in crisis which I'll give you in a second and then looking at your high risk scenarios orios because every business has a series of most likely high impact issues and most likely high impact crises that pertain to your organization. Dan Understanding what those are understanding. The thresholds of when does an issue become a crisis. And when does a crisis get you know. How do we determine that it's been de-escalated down to issue level like the case with my client instinctively? How do you do all of that? And how do you make sure that that's really known so that you can respond appropriately so let me back up and give you. The definition of issue versus crisis crisis is a negative event or situation that stops business business as usual to some extent because it requires immediate escalation straight to the top. It's leadership so in other words. This is an event that it doesn't matter what leadership is doing doing if they're sleeping if they're in a meeting if they're on a conference call if they're driving it doesn't matter they're going to need to stop. Whatever it is? They're doing because this incident requires requires their immediate attention directives. Their decision making because this negative event threatens long-term material impact on one to all of the following five things so people the environment if that's applicable the businesses operations its reputation and and or its bottom line so a crisis is a negative venture situation stops business as usual because it requires immediate escalation straight to the top of leadership because it threatens uh-huh long-term material impact on people the environment business operations reputation and or bottom line whereas an issue is also a negative event or situation but it doesn't stop business as usual. I see issue management as a form of business as usual on hyper drive. It's it's the part part of the job that is unpleasant but it's a part of the job it's a part of whoever's it doesn't require going straight to leadership and taking them out of that busy meeting about their end. Sorry to interrupt that like from the hotel operation standpoint being more like you know the front office supervisor or the housekeeping manager like somebody in that leadership role that is designed to specifically handle those Saisi instead of going up to the owner managing director at the GM exactly and the reason being because the situation doesn't threaten that long-term material impact on any one of those five things that I named and so that can be vague. So when you start thinking about that he started thinking through. What are your high risk scenarios and then you can start doing these exercises that look at okay? When would you know scenario? When would for example? Let's give an example. That is an immediate crisis. Doesn't get immediately lately escalated because there is no issue as you level. I don't know a customer. Go ahead from experience I'd like to use our our housekeeping team would always come up to me by this guesses and checked out yet. They're still items in the room. It's passed checkout time. What we do they kind of our little you know where either freaked out ask me is not a crisis issue? That's a definite just aren't we need contact guests. We need to figure out. Maybe they are applying to extend their stay. Maybe they're in a meeting going a little longer like that's a issue for a temporary time. I don't know if that's a good example. That's well it's definitely an example of an issue that's for sure let's take it up a notch. So let's let's say something happens with the guests that I don't know is garnering a little but of attention you know so and but it's not it's not being recorded it's not being shared about a dozen and you know that you can handle it. You know that you can manage it and you do. What's right you know by the people and you de escalate that quickly versus a similar situation situation that is really emotionally? relatable people are sharing the media is picking up people are talking about it and it risks having that long-term material impact on the brand On its reputation right like so just really thinking through the different scenarios and saying okay we are. We're in a tornado zone or or we're in a hurricane geographically the hurricane prone Geography those pertain or active the shooter or terrorist threat or just thinking through your different Hira scenarios and saying what are the most likely high impact situations that we are prone invulnerable to and then through through the crisis ready model. Which is what my book takes you through you? Then begin to do a deep dive into each one of those things. So you're GONNA look at governance right to who is responsible for what in in the event of crisis who is the decision maker who is You know responsible What are those processes? So if an incident happens how do you know that it becomes a crisis. Who is supposed to get together to assess the scope and impact of the situation to determine whether it threatens long-term material impact? DOC needs to be escalated to the top of leadership. I'm just taking these steps now. And then one really really one last really powerful thing is taking time to map out your stakeholders so saying who are the people that matter to this business. What are their groups right? So we have employees we. We have vendors we have customers. We have city-muncipality in the community. Who are those stakeholder groups and going down and doing an exercise on what did they expect in the brand in the event of each one of those high risk scenarios because each there's going to be overlap there's going to be overlay? But each one of those stakeholder groups will also expect something a little bit different and so understanding understanding. What's expected of you and putting your team in a physician so they can easily detect by because you've defined they can assess us because you've given those thresholds and they can respond in a way that meets if not exceeds the expectations of those who matter most your business that is where that magic of crisis readiness and Brennan invincibility really starts to form? Won't Again comes back to the. I think the overall all main picture is trust trust with your team trust with your guests. Trust with the brand trust the media and a lot of ways you know we have so many things that make us look like one thing on facebook or instagram or whatever but when it comes down to these crisis or issues that's when the brand really guesses show. It's true South Alpin away. I think that's where a lot of people get a lot of trust in that brand especially when something happened and it's known 'cause you know the power of cell phones and social media everything's very very well known pretty instantly and so I think again everything you just said really ties back into the trust of that brand absolutely and you know when it comes down to it people ask me often. How is it that you work in so many different industries and the reason being is that the common denominator in every every single business that exists is human beings a brand successful brand is successful because of the human beings that serves the way it serves them? It's relationships within with its vendors. It's relationships with its employees. So relationships are at the at the foundation of ever strong successful business and crisis management man is about doing right by those people by those relationships when it matters most and that's true across every single field so gap business and that still applies because even though your business business the marketing or whatever it still deals with people you repeat AC- like there's there's so many even if you're one specific quote unquote brand or type of business or market or whatever you have Then I think it's still applies to withdrawal dealing with people no matter what whether ECOMMERCE or hotel or whatever may be no hospitality people all the time for that. I'm kind of curious. So for the buying by leaders and members of an organization is pretty foundational to become crisis. readies from what we're looking at. So how can listeners gain buy in and support. They need to transform their organization to Nabisco brand and kind of WHO's responsible for the crisis ready culture so everybody is responsible for the crisis writing culture like I said earlier it I I believe that every person is a leader if they choose to be if they choose to own that That beautiful gift and I don't care if I don't care who you are. Or what your position is you have the ability to lead lead by example lead by choice lead by effort and crisis readiness. Ns about that. And so it's kind of twofold it's win in the sense of WHO's responsible everybody's responsible but at the same time it needs to be it needs to be led by the top in terms of You leadership needs to reward needs to foster that space for a crisis ready culture to existed listed needs to strategically and proactively lead by example with the right mindset. So all of these things so and then you know when it comes to who is who specifically is responsible for owning this. That's where it really depends on the culture of the organization so my clients dance the ones who come to me and to to work with me. They run the gamut in the sense of their position their titles. So maybe it's the C. o maybe here's to see I. Oh maybe it's a CEO. Maybe it's the director of marketing or the Director of communications or like it. Just it really runs. It depends on the culture of the organization. It depends on who has been tasked with it. And there's no conformity in that because it's so unfortunately still kind of new nobody really knows where to go with that And also one of the most beautiful things when I talk about everybody is a leader One of the things that I've seen within my clients consistently is there. There is somebody for whatever reason. Maybe they experience something and they thought Oh my goodness we're not ready and we need help or they saw a client or not a clan but competitor experience something in thought. Oh my goodness I could have been us. We got lucky. We need help and often times. Those champions are somewhere within middle management at some level and they have to then go and before they can hire me because they need the buy in they need to go and they need to sell this internally and sell the the value and necessity the core essential -ness of don't think that's the word but of of this undertaking and there are so that can be really challenging depending on the current call trivialization depend on who depending on who you need to sell it to so in my book In Chapter Chapter two. I provide three of the biggest that three of the most successful tactics that have undergone and that I've I've helped clients undergo in order to gain that leadership buy in so that they can actually start proactively investing in their crisis readiness and one of the things that I do want to say before kind of adding a full stop. There is that showing the value so their studies. There's research that just starting to be formed on the true value value of crisis readiness and it's it gives you a competitive edge. It gives you. There's so much value that speaks the businesses bottom line and its reputation and its operations operations and it's seamlessness internally and its cultural components that far that go far beyond the soul acts of issue in crisis management and an so grasping the reality of that the facts around that and bringing that to the table is something. That's very very powerful. In gaining thing that acceptance because people don't traditionally speaking human beings don't like to look at the negative where we don't we don't like to talk about what's unpleasant as human beings in general so if you can say yes we need to talk about what's pleasant and here is the R Y and the rewards that we're GonNa see on behalf of our brand or for brand as a result of doing that. That's a very powerful conversation. Conversation to have with leadership polygraph can't say it wasn't a two things that are really important. I think for any listeners from previous episodes of heard talk about this I am Melissa was saying is that It it takes two key foundations. I think in my in my head at talks about conversation. Listen and the importance of acting on conversation like so many times we think or talk about these things in closed doors or meetings or whatever but then we don't bring it outside to the people into into the culture and two. I think it comes to the point of when he said the buy in and added value in the Roi. That's something so huge we focus on the Roi the added perceived value for guests when they're booking but we don't talk about our employees and the culture that we're trying to create with inside those specific building or business and so that's superheated those two in my is really tied together. You have the open up the conversation. Even though we don't talk about crisis or issues or bad bad things we like to sometimes get in our bubble that we are our XYZ brand we are great. We are amazing. Our teams perfect like type of stuff right and then of course was lowest level person. Think to what the highest person you know think when it comes to the culture into bringing us into the building building in into the business because so huge have everyone on board and to be open with this because so many times like I said it can be talked about in closed doors right with all upper management and leaders and the owners. But then it doesn't trickle down and vice versa. So I think those are huge key aspects one hundred percent and it really really is it really does need to be you know mindset matters mindset is everything so and that speaks to culture so when I'm on stage I do a lot of keynotes and speaking think eggs in when I'm on stage one of the things that I always say is the Lens through which you choose to see any type of event and let's let's I mean. My lenses is negative events events right. She's in crazy. So the lesser which you choose to see a negative event directly impacts the actions that you take in response to that event which Im- directly impacts the the result of that event on your brand and that is I'll give you an example. I am actually this pertains to. It's not specifically hospitality hospital but it was a municipality so a little bit some similarities. There in the sense of issue price management and impacted scope and just different things so I had a client call me a few years ago. Now that they were in panic they called. They thought that they were in crisis and they saw asked what happened. They said Ed Wall they were tasked by the mayor's office to opt tourism and so they decided to launch a Hashtag campaign where for for their city and they wanted to they wanted to get. They asked their city their community to To share to use Hashtag to share all the wonderful wonderful things about the community that they loved so they figured if we could create some high on the community people want want to come and visit us and we will tourism. And like I'm sure you can imagine The response that they got wasn't all positive in fact it was primarily people sharing their grievances with the city so when the client client called me they thought that that was crisis because now they're getting garnering all kinds of attention and it's not what they wanted and they don't know how to stop it and so they came to me and they thought they had two the options ahead of them one of them they thought was either. They closed down the account the the Hashtag campaign or they focus solely on the positive and try to bring more light to that than the negatives and they were shocked. When out of my mouth was? Oh my goodness what. A brilliant brilliant opportunity opportunity to be in and the line just went silent. They just they didn't understand was going or where it was coming from. And I said so. One of the things especially with government right especially with municipalities is gaining garnering. Engagement is is a challenge for everybody never mind. Government government like people. Don't talk about cities they've got they'd love to talk about a million other things other than their cities and here. You have people who care enough about your city. They are doing what you ask them to. They're just may not be in the way that you expected or hoped for but they care enough to voice it and so if you shut it down or if you ignore the negative and only focus on the positive the response that you're giving like it or not is we asked for engagement. We don't like what you have to say. We don't care what matters to you clearly doesn't matter to us. We only want the positive. So we're going to shut down or shut out all of the negative anything that's unpleasant And that's a big big statement to an engaged community. That cares enough. To be engaged is a big statement period but never mind what a missed opportunity that convey and so my whole point in saying this was choosing your Lens because you're speaking of culture and leading it and all of that choosing your Lens is they had a lens of. We could do this or this. I came back with how. `Bout we switched that Lens and we look at the opportunity and we respond to everybody in in the proper way will respond sponsor everybody the good the bad the neutral. And then let's go a step beyond that and let's take. Let's you know accumulate top five grievances grievances that are shared. And let's put it on the agenda over the course of the next year and focus on putting attention those to try to do what you can. You're not gonna fix everything. But what can you fix. How can you use this as a way to connect with the community that cares enough about you to say it and not just take it and walk away and extend do it and then come back but you have engagement? So let's amplify that. Let's do it as a community with your community and so they took that approach. They chose to choose that Lens and and the response that they got was overwhelmingly positive and Hartfield and the community engagement just skyrocketed from there but not just the engagement but the connection the community connection and as indirect result tourism started to increase but as of more benefit as higher benefit of more value Was that they've created now. They have such a deep connection with their stakeholders colder with those who matter most of their brand which are their community members their citizens In such this powerful beautiful way all because they chose to change the lens it and that is cultural yet. No that's huge. I so often I try. I try the hardest. It doesn't work all the time for me with my team but I always like to say whenever they come to me with an issue we have a problem. I always like to say now. We have an opportunity. And then they're they always kinda give me like I roll or a day like oh the cast of back for a second about okay. We have an opportunity as yet anytime we come up with that you know that issue in our head we say. Hey we have an issue now we we just not only one have we thought about it. But we voiced that now we haven't issue which creates a different mindset a different Lens but when you try to switch and say no we have an opportunity it changes that and it can change your outcome with the guests or with the staff member or whoever the possibly the vendor that you're dealing with whether it's the community community as a whole like you just kind of gave an example. It really changed us into a more positive. I think from like when you're becoming the problem solver When you come in as we have issued the sucks I hate this or I don't like this? I'm uncomfortable chain to have an opportunity. You kind of get more positive about it which can lead into your outcome of being a little bit more positive as well and maybe unexpected. We handle situations a little bit better when that might absolutely do. Because you're putting people first I and you're looking for the silver lining and when an issue management is is a core core part of crisis readiness. Because issues are part of everyday business. It would run a business. Issue Management is a big part of what you run and every issue you have to pass to choose from in every issue the first is you can mismanage it or you could. Yeah you could mismanage it or just manage it. You know nothing special type thing and and what it will do is it won't amount to a crisis right away. It rarely will skyrocket into a crisis right way unless it really does. Have you know potential for mantra material impact but it will chip away at the trust and credibility of your brand over time and I see that as like. Is this giant iceberg. That on the under you you know under the water is just getting weaker and weaker and weaker. Until the crat it crumbles or the crisis hits and then it crumbles and or you can to exactly so your point see as an opportunity to choose your lens properly and choose the right lines. I should say lead. By example empower your teams to lead to lead by example than the right lanes and reward them for it. And every time you do that you make deposits in my captain Chris. Young of mountain view police department in Silicon Valley in California says that Everyday Mountain View Police Department works to proactively make deposits into their bank of community trust. And that's what you do in issue management. When you're choosing the right lens you were doing that? You are creating an experience that puts people first that is emotionally connected and not only. Does that give you so much value as brand equity standpoint or from Barend equity standpoint. Not only does it give you value in the sense of if you do that every day. Then when a crisis hits status ingrained in your culture that is the mindset that will be chosen naturally because that is what is practiced every day but furthermore than that or furthermore from that is that when you have have a strong bank of stakeholder trust and goodwill to US Captain Chris are actually a deputy chief now. Chris Chung's analogy allergy or metaphor. Is You gain the benefit of the doubt at the onset of a crisis and in this day and age when things escalate so quickly when things go viral and the media is hounding and just things spiral so quickly out of control if the people who matter the most of your business who are the people who actually matter better if in those moments they instinctively say you know what I hear it. I hear the noise here about what's going on but this company this you know hotel this brand has never done wrong by me so I am going to wait and give them the benefit of the doubt. I'm going to wait to hear from them because I trust that. They're going to come forth at. They're going to explain that they're going to do what's right by us. That is a very very powerful advantage. That is only earned by affective management. Every single day I agree totally agree. And it's kind of goes to the question of you know. Is there a social media crisis but for me kind of backtrack on to at that point you just made we always talk about you. Know you can for business whether your hotel or in the industry or not You you want return customers whether you're an online store or retail or anything like that like you always want repeat guesses easy instantly you know into your brand or into your store once right but engage them to come back and I believe a hundred percent in my bones that win US Go into guests and to the customer relations side side of it. Is that one hundred percent if you can make a connection with your guests whether you're are at the bartender valet attendant the bellman the front desk. Whatever I don't care who you are If you can make a connection with guest dat is one way of quote unquote making a deposit into the trust of that now. Now they're personally connected. They'RE GONNA go back ten years five years or just right back from the business trip or whatever they're on say. Remember that time when that Dataman went out of his way to go get this luggage that was lost and Blah Blah Blah and. They sent me a new shirt. Because it's one of those ruined or whatever there's so many different ways right now you build that trust on there so many huge important ways and like you said with your client with the Hashtag campaign that it just builds a deeper connection and I think again it comes back right around in a full circle where that's what we're looking for. We're looking for that connection we're looking at your community and to grow. That connection is not just that one time is that one times lead into many other times absolutely beautifully said thank you for making it real for me. I just this gives me it really excited because it comes back into the you know. There's I preach a lot on leadership in doing these things but kind of putting into a standpoint point of the conversation that needs to be had is that there are issues. Like let's be honest with any business any hotel any whatever There are issues that happen. You know I think this is a really important topic on going into is an issue. Is it a crisis. How do we handle it and wears a kind of stem from in this kind of culture that we're trying to create in so with that being said where some of the best practices for creating and kind of messaging to the stakeholders during this crisis? Like what is best method that you see so it's it really always falls back to understanding what's expected. What are the demands and expectations expectations? And when it comes to communicating messaging in an incident when you when you have defined issue versus crisis when you have identified your your highway scenario so the most likely high impact issues crises. And when you've done. Your stakeholder mapping you can then use that information to say in the event of crisis crisis scenario high risk right most likely high impact so high risk crisis scenario one. What will our employees expect of us? What will they think what? What will they think what will they wonder what will matter to them? What questions will they have? How will they expect to receive the answers to those questions in what timeline wear earlier? And then but repeat those questions for every single. One of your stakeholder groups in every single one of your scenarios you get the answers to that question that you you just asked me so you know it's it really. Is it really custom. But at the same time. One of the expectations today. One of the demands is that the brand is going to be present. The brand is going to be forthcoming. It's going to be timely And the longer you take to respond effectively to underscore the term effectively actively to a crisis. the more trust and credibility lose the more control over the narrative. Elusive becomes everybody else's story other than yours ores and the more what I call Crisis Response Penalty. You suffer which I go into further detail in the book So looking at the answer lies in in looking at in exploring. Learn all of these things but knowing that people expect timely communication is just a house so I talked about my client. That was tweeting. In a different type of crisis tweeting would have been appropriate in that type of event. It wasn't what does that. Look like for each one of those scenarios for each one of your stakeholder groups and then putting in your team in a position to know that intrinsically to empower them to do that but to teach them best practice when it comes to communication to have the right processes is in place where you were feeding them information that they need so that they can go out and meet those expectations on behalf of the brands. Doing all of this and I feel like I'm giving you a lot so feel free to just backtrack me that me up a little bit and say stop and dive into this But I'm trying to just kind of paint a picture of how the engine needs to work together and how to meet those expectations which it always just comes back down to going through the motions of knowing what you're dealing with and knowing who you're dealing for and and marrying those two things and putting your team in a position to be able to meet those expectations primary Centigrade like that is a lot. There's a lot of coverage in this whole topic by like you said it really comes in empowering the team and powering the conversation of the culture in to get to that sampling sampling. I understanding that something. That's going to happen. Be prepared US figure out the right way to act and not to act and keep learning and moving forward absolutely and no to that. It's it's not as cumbersome as it sounds as it makes me it may feel there is a model. There's a framework framework to doing this. That is the crisis. Ready Model is the framework that I've come up with through over my years of of doing this for so many different diverse organizations The steps that you can take. There's a process that you can that will guide you through to becoming crisis and building out that crisis ready culture Through the crisis Freddie model. That is achievable that you can do that. You know the book lays out exactly how to do and also how to think about things so that I'm not giving you the answers of helping you find your answers not only It's it's not like a copy paste. Scenario is going to be really unique. Every business business I think he s We're not all the same and we're all human so the cat goes really into that absolutely so I just want to get you know wrapping wrapping up the show. I really appreciate the awesome conversation. The the overall topic. It's been really cool to dive in kind of pull out some of the stuff that using mitral bells well l.. Where can people so? Let's talk about the book. Let's talk about working behind you. Working they find the book. What's the best way to get a copy all that good stuff and to give yourself a shameless shameless? Shattered is not for me. It is for all the listeners. Because I really I believe to my core that if every organization were crisis ready to what it means to me to be crisis ready for the work that I do that we would live in a kinder safe from her balanced owns world and so that is the thing that keeps me getting up every morning. That is always division. And how can I. How can I help us be more crisis? Ready for the people that it serves for society for all US And your listeners. Place such a massive role at such an important role in this So all that being said so. The book is on Amazon If you want a signed copy reject nameless sentinels DOT COM Amazon says crisis ready building an invincible brandon and uncertain world. I also have just launched an initiative that listeners might be interested in. It's I call it the crisis ready community and the community is a community of anybody that has any type type of touch point or interest in this subject from the CIO. 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Tank says 2 c**ks don't make you gay? Lisa Raye, and RIP Slick Ric

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Tank says 2 c**ks don't make you gay? Lisa Raye, and RIP Slick Ric

"Every now and again I'll inside the cave we put away some of the jokes in thought provoking ignorance and good kind of serious and today's episode in one of those days a week unkind series. If you're a day one listener you remember the name Slick Rick Slick Rick uses send feedback in welcome back inside the cage inside the Cave podcasts dot com gave crush dot com. It's just me we do got we got third monkey with this the firearm kill yourself and start over then age well. 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according to the way the Wayne was eager to impress mistake right just missed lie years ago now everything Shit Joe Spouse do you lis- pick your friends be more loyalty you is that what you're trying to the pocket right you say you got a girl and you get out of that you bring another brother if my wife Yeah pretty much I just don't get it don't be happy when Google went in on on your boy now on empty that you say Charlemagne should say disagree with that and you prime example now there's this pool occurred inside the Kate concilium women south women don't know man you sound great blame the Wayne might question the arden was the one bringing him home prime minister is also lectured he got a whole ACIS out in Turkson Keiko's food if nothing basically you're trying to say is if you've got a friend of the opposite sex does hanging eighty grasp the concept of this bullshit so these array and this Ainley Rahab the say her latest uncensored interview Teasha Campbell folks no one hundred percent truthful in video showing support teachers says I'm so I saw it was like you know they co workers we don't know what they do outside of work you know what I'm saying so I guess it depends on the level of friendship cool cool revisit the story to lease raid Duane Martin Schettino Calisi and and use me as an example in the store you know swap it out in cash you may you know I I don't I mean we don't really know level friendship I guess depends on on how good of friends they really were you know on your life right now you could be at work beside a Muslim every day and once you lead you ain't fucking with rain fucking don't bring holes round hole type Gotcha because I'm like you know we've been so you know I don't think you're gonNa tell me Lord this is something I really found respite he should Campbell close signs Lisa Reyes claimed about the Wayne mark the case down the all of Beta and though he got his own seek onto but I don't think they do too much us out of word yoke itself 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to like they boys boy today today man boy why a girl mood I'm saying hello note what say like if you listen to the show you always hear it dumped telling him about bit he's never there you see what I'm saying that you never put yourself in a position to where even the slightest possibility for somebody I mean I get it but the reality is most of the time female got understand is they probably going to be like the situation I got a I had a real situation like that still friends with both love and when she came to me trying to pull that card oh comfortable enough shit about Talk Shit about me you know what I'm saying so okay cool outside of work shit see we go back we'll make them die okay so I'm I'm married my wife and I my wife and we start hanging up get up it does sought up I would I wouldn't expect I would expect everybody to mind the adult as business that I knew from years ago that we we was already friends I had dated but she oh how highly relationship no I'm saying look I don't think they have the same got a wife on the other hand feel betrayed because you guys were friends before and she feels that you if you to hers you wouldn't allow that to happen dissipating would've okay I yeah that's and you know if you try and like I say I don't put myself in a position where you know the average guy just get involved I'm definitely not getting involved in about making your house and you not there would have always say you income I'll come back when he gives you hey that ain't none of plucking business like that it ain't none of my business you can't come to me X. Accidents Shit like that to whom net and and it was just we were just France Shit best know that we knew each other that was said man like I seen CB why doing something he's saying my wife doing so you know like I expect any of the ten April you might need gotta go to the both ways new female like still you explain C.. Be and then I know I know guys that we was we again nobody none of my information or no insulation shit out of me I I'm not doing no work you know goes back to their players like if somebody comes to me talking shit about sleeping and I go in his like so why does mother uh-huh girl big guys and stuff like that we might drink one do pass me in everything but I exchanged I will be in that situation you know what I'm saying because because you know if you if you keeping the one hundred you know what I'm saying that'd be and I mean how do you want to put it but there's a lot going on you would think that would you know if if me and her if you lingo wife and vice versa women women different from men like like finish up with my wife and meet some of her France and then laid on like I think we talked about this on the show one time that he introduced me to a girl I hate to use us as an example but we gotta use but if the four of you do enough to I mean but I still say is gonNA come down to the nature of relationships her bureau necessarily see women women women think they get all cool with each other and audit I wanted to buy you WanNa do that to her could a motherfucker step a slot as you say you him in Vegas and everybody else went to the room you're watching the strip could motherfucker step to sly and his and his he does web always told you like if I get let's say like pop up in the shot and you know I'm coming right and you get caught up in traffic and you ain't maintenance and crib yet it never happened whatever the loyalty those to you okay how are you I'm cool you got to choose you know I mean really awesome metal it was a friend opposite sex lot of saying relationships get broken up over that kind of it's come down to NATO relationship I don't think it's denominated is they they are cooled like I hit the situation they cool it's a mirror lover is now saying nerve might tell our secret were not related female see I ain't never heard females talk like I've I've seen I've seen it they should stay together you know you should you should talk to your friend 'cause she's call me I'm a scene having so many times situation okay yeah I've seen how things should like this okay tomato because of a friend opposite sex it just depends on NATO relationship layers girls you know what I'm saying is quarter I've been pretended for years at the man with on the side is related currently in very serious that could lead open tips and shit mostly revolts the Royer dove which thing shit is GonNa keep the quit but you can't ask me to be doing shit that say you yeah no numbers and all that kind of Shit you know what I'm saying because at the end of the day with only be cool with them because I ain't gonNA put audion scene saying that the liberal side level wants more level once more Man About a woman or man Omai I I really couldn't tell I never heard properly when your lover wants more would you do you're never once more I haven't pretending what's more jim quiet away from ruining my credit this woman I am telling you Nigga but if you get caught up you can't use me to lie then y'all it's about respect you know 'cause most of the time of warman layers for that how do I keep him quiet and away from ruining my credibility see years that the man Oh yeah I haven't pretended we have we not let me know made beyonce who has acted once more does trae and want more or you know she worried about him ruined the relationship she just fucked up right now I'm nervous that I'm never said he might tell C. Green that that were not related yell it all depends only invite a few people out colder they got this change novel changing numbers up email and shit I'm like it'd be like that I think that women ought to I think women ought to reiterate every every day you hope you is on this you know what I'm saying so I mean I don't know we'll see I'm kind of stuck fits on them that's a different that's a different see I hate every hookup session or once a month or whatever it is recurring they need to keep on saying hey don't get don't get too attached what type do deals right absolutely an in that my house is if he if he's a reasonable dude he angle say shit and he's exposed as they do anybody and he'll objected young fuck fill me how to fuck you tell me Asia social media handles shit you know saying just do a whole now control out delete start over white to marriage but my lover is now saying he wants more did sat four right Bruce do ya yeah yeah so my advice have a destination win approach this is this is what he is he keeps saying that she s only you start doing some besides fucking Oh say you can't tell and then the name is a man stands full sound like ride on Lou Lou sound like we related shit taking large out so damn my cv now not that foolish think my cousin okay oh willing it was the rule has been established relationship it's up to me to decide about play the game right exactly the woman after you get yourself in a situation guy when they go on through some let their independent show a shoulder to cry on becomes addicted is it because you start sitting around talking about problems and exchanging gifts exchanging guessing a and I'm I'm the same way what are you going to be all in the middle of France it what they do but but like I say you shouldn't put yourself message wished the Laura still should have ended up a friend got me some advice Sydney questions of problems to Catford yeah you said he was in another relationship yeah yes she is she's in a she's I'm currently in a serious relationship that Khalid Mar Lama caves grow up we need to get off the excess let's go to onto marriage is a chance to take rolling dice either way I sit unlucky are you really feeling like they lead Mercedes they told us dig on on the Robert Townsend Keenen Ivory Wayne's and hopefully especially Kanada Charlie's going you still gotta have that team around the world also a contender to the game as xactly so now relationship has changed because sold fills out here eh you taking the chance I haven't really thought though you know what I'm saying goal try to beat base during the food he knew it was getting into his he ain't got word about it right but if you fuck oh man you know my take on it got I'm young I'm your problem you can't ruin but then mull fucking widow you know uh-huh plenty of nights prep Herbie's crept out I'm not GONNA go to political keeping local with the Chicago Teachers Union on still striking the Braille fucking niggers down breath these these automobile friendly casualties of Shit into from school every day they need somebody to talk to because they can't even focus own work not to mention that this forty children in one classroom. CBS like that happens especially with the school with an a school situation in a somebody today said that go back to work but the hostess you chain letter we get asset wait till you data your own house still smashing but you know we paying out of pocket for things and not being reimbursed this needs to be addressed salutes and let me be clear they need these things meet these individuals for the the post traumatic stress somebody's children go through just walking it was oh well hopefully we have Birmingham eighty baseball to begin by got it on I feel that a lot of parents Sydney children to Chicago public schools are getting out of parenting right do you feel your he gives his voice he don't you voice a striking for smaller class sizes nurses of social workers in schools and would deal with your children when they come home I'm just going to feed them and Essex at bullshit because this want to get back out on the road standout do a couple of shows on is lousy to talk about this we show live openly he had the same writers and producers this show shall pass it's the teachers Pash and like the has nothing to do wood panel person what their works if teachers are uh they sent him off the school relocated Baker Daycare listen let let the teachers and staff Lamont public tax dollars deal the girl I say like what she data guy say she he adopted or she adopted your Damn family members it just stick up stick would stick wooded S- clone children haven't been back to school and about a week but the the same the same Steph curry hall of fame onto my stand up he said he WANNA get back get back on comedy against his key is key it's a good old they will tell cousins but able to play on the Fan Karadzic not is out of school and then like one guy was telling me David saying he coached football unclean do all do all today Desi like arm what's true stone you don't worry about sharing book they shine a dust alive really Begley this mold lesson he shit she told me she told the teachers they have live with they're dealing with forty children forty different personalities makes no focused but the parents can't grasp his grasp this concept because all they want peace because they don't know what to do would would I hang on around the team is just as simple somebody has to it has to start somewhere and why not Chicago there's no shave November already over there is is her shave November I got retire November break they next to take care of children when they need to be you know so it ain't get pushed us through and actually get a good deal to a city that can't even support itself already in south Chicago been a ghost town since Johnson you know maybe something positive will come out of this in the city of Chicago I'll lay blaming the mayor just got there they trying to blame in a mirror they won by I'm sorry for the for the stresses cause and on the bus drivers Park district's daycares took your responsibility at the Oh oh absolute absolute absolute and believe me that the rest of the rest of the country the CPU like for it to go you're going to see a lot of things changing and public school systems across the nation Um and I I agree with them I think that the nation is listening as bad as we talk about the violence in Chicago and all of that that aw or Paris looking for activities a children and do autumn set us up the sick time or vacation days stay International D- Man You woke up a mock known that man I'm busy over here man I got nice homes big beautiful home saying Nice Home CB CB I don't think we ever seen that in our life uh is focused on Chicago Dow focused on Chicago the rest of the country is focused and this goal of his daughters the way that the ed where do we use to go every time you came home for a New Year's Eve where do we go from New Year's Eve anywhere else out the we ever went to man I sat down Taylor ring a bell then you guys Pam Pam Taylor casement southside they never been safe as far as my lifetime. I'm sorry but I can't agree to that Melissa I'll mess with it you know that's money that could have went towards you know the students that could've went to us you know Chicago public schools and all the problems in an inner city but no we're going to try and bring the Olympics cool and then they get to school and then he teaches is not going to be providing them to quality learning that they deserve because you know let's think about it not even pay props adding on how by somebody got to be a scapegoat and she won't be in Iran this this this goes back to Mayor Daley selling out the city trying to get a damn Olympics I'd give up my life story over here how's everything going over here and a k now the one I met it's November it's no uh-huh speaking strikes I know a truck driver the neighborhoods around the country you know and don't have the same issues we have it all starts with the education and and coming from you know they got to worry about getting shot on the way the uh-huh I'm looking at pictures I got family there live on the eight hundred seventy nine still from something you know it starts with education if we don't have the education going on these giant been paid properly you've been provide quality education to these kids like somebody's these and now I was just listening to what you were saying with Slava's and I guess he was bitching about the strike on Chicago home with their with their children but it's as it gets rectify it needs to happen and the word sin your news-bad of Shit now now is is bad now I can't even them all and blog now without being I can't be recognized that he he's not really been direct saying whether he supports it is true but man that teacher thing for for the people that think that teaching is just a passion the day you know I got another woman that I really WanNa took home but I gotta be real careful by putting on this moon was my cousin Reno Bob Marino's grew in the big light and we use yeah you said game where we at where we at and okay so you can't you can't really support what was going on but one of those people occasionally need some from you feel and you go through so you need to you need to be careful choose your whereas wisely you must this you know I told I told you I was trying to deliver over that way owner whether you've closer to plant or to the plan and they should go back to work like same while visions of non thank you thank you I'm saying this and they want uh-huh was the one who comes sale Obama an eight yes you remember that yes where's he was recently okay so you would think would be a little better than them when you say so okay I'm just leader sending to prison embezzled funds so okay I'm GonNa just say this this time you ask them a tight and you'll probably get ain't straight all I it a would you guys lead out those the name can be open with now I want to emphasise on those people okay last I checked on those people right related warhead that conversation by toting mystique Chicago and the South side Chicago used a beautiful got a black but Funny now let me say this I in no way support R Kelly in whatever you say the protesters were blocking the way and he said I show hope those people get what they want

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Grace Slick Part 1  The origin of Jefferson Airplane and more

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Grace Slick Part 1 The origin of Jefferson Airplane and more

"Ladies and gentlemen records retired plate spinners and millennials who want to impress their parents with their record collections. Welcome to the Rhino cast podcast brought brought to you by Rhino records get ready for new releases detracts and conversations with your favorite artists and bands and balloons for the kiddies and now your host with the most which may and Dennis the minutes on this episode of the Rhino podcast. We have part one of our conversation with grace slick. Hey Dennis hey rich. I'M ON RHINO DOT com right now because I am checking out the album of the day which happens today the day were recording this to be todd rundgren Utopia. Pia Todd is God. He's awesome. I watched a documentary on him recently lot of interviews. I don't think people realize how many albums he produced anyway. I DIGRESS RHINO DOT COM. I'm has so much amazing information. I love learning about music. I signed up for the Rhino Album of the day. It comes into my inbox every day. There's links on aside. I can stream it right from my computer while working and listen gives me something new to listen to you every day and then there's a little bit of Info to read about with it. It's great. I love it besides that on Rhino Dot dot com of course you can listen to all of our past podcast episodes and their other great new releases that are announced for instance. The replacements deadman's pop up the four CD one L. P. Deluxe is coming. This fall and replacements fans are GONNA love. This one not to mention hint hint two part podcast coming coming up on that release but this podcast episode we have something very special you Dennis and the executive producer of the Rhino Dino podcast. John Hughes got to visit Grace Slick at her home. In Malibu digital eighty years old just turned eighty and she is still a pistol stolen then some and I'm told that the conversation went so well that we have enough for two podcasts on this indeed part one deep history Jefferson Airplane and a little bit politics. Let's get to the conversation that you and executive producer. John Hughes had with Grace Slick. It is time goes on aw grace slick. Welcome to the Rhino podcast. Well thank you you are. How do we know you actually are grace. Slick by the way because I swear on and you know what's podcasts casts. I think we'RE OKAY AREN'T I. We have the explicit language of thing on Itunes so we're good we're covered and this is this is this is interesting because this is Dennis and John Hughes. You know I just wanted to take a second and thank you for letting us in your house. This is amazing. I have to be honest. I'm a little star struck Tuck. This is really really cool. Well thank you but you know what's amazing. What people don't know is what all the discussions went on for fifteen minutes while we were setting up yeah. That's why I kept. Yep saying keep pushing me on your come on Dennis. You just gave away the whole thing. We'll give away the store exactly so I I only have the wikipedia version of your life before the airplane. I know Chicago. I Know College on and off. Can you tell us I don't want the Kapiti. I want the grace of PD. Can you tell us a couple of stories. That's going to kind of start to inform people as we launch into all of this people have come up a publishers and a couple of movie guys and I said Look you don't want to do it. It's too boring. I don't have any of these stories where my father beat me or or everybody left and went to Arizona or whatever happens to people. My life was literally. Leave it to beaver. You're but at a certain point as you're growing up and in your late teens for me some some people earlier they're smarter you go. This is diff-. It's boring. Nobody steps on align the closer ugly. We're talking about the nineteen fifties the closer stupid the my parents were Eisenhower or Republicans which means they were not crazy the way the Republicans are today now. If you're a republican listening you're crazy. Okay what what heart and God's name makes you stand up for. A Guy like Donald. Trump is a joke so anyway my early stuff was easy. Nobody fought. Nobody beat me. My parents didn't get divorced. I went to regular schools in Palo Alto. Nothing ever happens in Palo aalto. It's a flat college town. You can ride your bike anywhere. I mean it's just so boring that there's no reason to make a movie or for a book out of it so I have to lie a lot. If you WANNA make it interesting so so it's interesting because there's all these statistics that there was more drug used in small towns and there are in major cities right so maybe now but not then right so where Palo Alto. I know it well because I live pretty close. When did the hunger happen. What what I always ask people who grew up in normal places what flipped the switch. I went into into a store to buy a song called La Bamba. When I was eighteen hours in I went to the University of Miami. I didn't go there to learn earn anything I went there because it was called a fun college and it was but I went into by La Bamba and I was walking to regular record store we had stacks of records looked here and there as I walked by there was a picture of a guy having a picnic in a graveyard and at that the time you didn't have very many things like that and I look I what is this. It was Lenny Bruce so I bought it and I thought I was going to die. Laughing effing that flipped lenny bruce basically flipped a switch so when I went back to California after my sophomore year in college everything was changing and the rest of my friends had all had their switches flipped as well by one thing or the other so we were together and listen to new music which was Miles Davis Gil Evans sketches of Spain shorter era. You know all the jazz guys 'cause actual rock and roll rhythm and Blues was had had been happening but rock and roll in one thousand nine hundred fifty eight was US Frankie Avalon Geno. Sorry don't like it but then that changed as well so within a period of a couple years stuff was changing for everybody and we've all fell into it very easily. There was no problem going from really stiff fifties into under running around nude and Marin county playing rock and roll. It just was very easy move. It was natural. It seemed like this is what's got to happen oposite so getting to San Francisco. Did you wear flowers in your hair while wearing nice clothing I'm Magnin and Union Square. which is now a macy's by the way because you? You've said that it wasn't really modeling. It's more like being a live traveling mannequin well. I ah modeling it was live modeling not photographic modeling. I'm too short for a photo model but what I did was I worked in the Couturier Department apartment of I magnus which was on the third floor. Usually I can't remember my name. So how do I remember it was on third floor and you change your clothes close about every five or ten minutes and just walk around and they'd have you know shows occasionally and they used to hate to have me and their because because my head is very big for women's hats and they you get your gloves and your hats and some jewelry just before you go oh down the runway be going trending jam the hat on my head and too short. I was only five seven nine five shakes could you your back goes down when you get older but too short for a photo model so I was floor floor model which is what they called it and some Ol- fadyl woman. She looked like I do now came up to me and she fi fell my elbow. She should oh honey. You need cream on your elbows and I still don't need cream on my elbows. Okay who does and I. I don't know some people get gnarly boss. I guess but anyway looked at her and I thought you need cream from head to toe. Hold ladders productive. No he produces the finest stealth putting mystics on me the snorting none of it was stuff like that and at that time my husband had a time Jerry Schlick and that's where I got the name to real name weird but real. We want to see a group called Jefferson airplane play at a place. It's called the Matrix and I looked at that and I thought okay my mother was a singer and I can do that because I'm young and stupid and I thought I I can do that. So that's why you stopped modeling an Jerry Slick in his brother Darby who wrote somebody love and I and another guy named David Miner and couple guys more guys formed. A group called the Great Society. We're making fun of Lyndon. Johnson soon suit thing but it worked we would open for Jefferson airplane. was there any thought back then about you know how unusual it was to. They have a female fronted rock band. No because in San Francisco there was a female who used to sing occasionally with the grateful dead Janice was singing there was all girl group called called the ACC cups. The charlatans were usually have this girl so it wasn't unusual in San Francisco may abandon Kansas but Non San Francisco do. Do you chalk up your courage just to youth e yeah. I don't know I've always been fairly comfortable on a stage now. One of my best friends is horrified by that she she'd rather jump off the roof of this building then sing. I said really I said you ever seen in the shower. She said Oh maybe said but non front of people know and everybody has their stuff what they're afraid of and or not and I just don't I'm not afraid of stage. I figure you practice. Whatever the hell it is. You're doing and then go on and do it. Did you have any kind of resistance when you guys started touring to people when people were just like Oh. This is strange setup or was it just kind of off you go. No we love it. We played in Louisiana and I think it was morals and we showed the first year we played a sixty eight. Probably maybe sixty seven. They all had on fifties outfits. Little corsage is with big fancy. What's He dresses in here and guys with their Donald can suits on everything and we came back the next year they had totally changed. bell-bottoms guy tied. I guys with long hair so the the flip was really fast Take someone to love notice. I said someone to love that was out on autumn records and there was this Sylvester Stewart Guy who was sly stone was he involved we recorded at Golden Golden Gate in San Francisco which was a very it was a fairly small studio but we couldn't really play worse damn so he played every instrument and whatever that recording is I haven't even heard I don't remember mazing to find and I'll bet it's out there so big daddy Tom Donahue. I was just gonNA say Kay San. Oh my goodness here he was there too. He had something to do with either ownership in in golden gate records but sly was amazing but we were just people who thought enter. Brill be fun to have a rock and roll band Windsor uh-huh in take these were early versions of the song and we'll get into the newer versions but at that time these we're different versions of the songs that eventually became hits the do the became the big hits so Columbia offered you if I'm correct Columbia offered a contract but right at that moment you replaced the singer of the band that that obviously do the ban was weird because they got pretty much the same thing they're the girl that I replaced was a dark dark-haired Norwegian which is what I am and with a low voice now she is kind of voice and I'm more more of a stare at you and the audience wander around the stage entertainer. She stood very still would pat her cy so she he wasn't really into stick. I was more into the stick of it but it was natural and planet is just how I felt when when I was singing winging whatever song are saying so we're slightly different as entertainers but same genetic makeup and I don't think they did it on purpose. It's just our band great society was breaking up because the guys were going to go study in India which was very popular at the time and she signi Anderson was going to live in Oregon have a baby with her husband. So a Jack Cassidy who was bass player for airplane came up and said we're join to join you betcha basically because I loved his face. He's an amazing Bass player. So you join the airplane plane and arguably you brought them. The two biggest hits were they aware at the time they kind of say a we have to do no when none of us were aware. The record company picked his picture signals. We didn't have anything to do with it. We'd I'd like something and they'd say no. It's not a single angler. Okay you run in the show so the record company are she was very liberal and easy with us at the time. They let us say anything. I mean Paul Cantor in one of his songs says up against the wall motherfucker. They let us keep it. The only time the objective anything was Paul suggested very subtly the Jesus and Mary Magdalene were a a couple and the head at that time of our CIA they went we went through about five presidents of RCA but at the time when he right at the guy wrote wrote down the guy was a Catholic so Paul had arguments for hours every day for a week which he recorded with the head of our CIA talking about whether or not he could say suggested. It's possible that Jesus had a relationship with Mary Magdalene John Really up against the wall. Motherfucker is okay but maybe Jesus and Mary Magdalene were a couple is not okay either. You guys keep changing presidents so that was the only time they ever objected to learn the electrical dust. Stop and you rest or trapezoid. Mamata taste over red tape is mechanical rape on the TV program released Danna control the sciences mankind's but all seeds drain me ask in one of the things that you've said and I listened to see realistic pillow and I know every inch of it because I got a copy of for some hippies. When I was very very young there was a lot of substances in the in the session and a lot going on who so how does one of the things that you've talked about is that your producer was so out of it that you pretty much worked with the engineer yeah he was more inclined to be doing alcohol and alcohol alcohol is stronger than almost any drug. Most people don't think that Omar go hall resume. Its drug and it's really powerful four. Oh yeah so he was a little bit too loaded now. Marijuana is good with music. You you pay attention. You can hear it enjoy it. You can parse it. It's not a bad drug. LSD is good but it's questionable because you you might decide that the Walser GonNa fall on you any minute and the middle of a basal or something you know. It's it's it's not reliable label. It can be good when you're going up or coming down when you're not really out there. It can be good alcohol no cocaine you can be okay. I mean I. I'm not pushing drugs here. I'm just talking about what happened with us. Mainly as a ban another ban we'll we'll have other experiences but we didn't get that loaded to record that album maybe marijuana but that's mostly. Paul Paul Jack in the Arma weren't to that big on really were more. You were more focused than his storied. We we weren't that loaded for that record record and we had played all those songs over and over live so we could do the album really fast so you referred furred earlier to sketches of Spain which leads me right to white rabbit which leads me to originally having another title which I'm GonNa let you tell us and listening to music non stop to get to that song people just think it's this little drug anthem but there was a lot of sophistication and a lot of study that you did. Miles Davis and Gil Evans did a album called sketches Spain which knocked my socks off and I took acid and listen to that over and over again for about twenty four hours one time I was twenty I was before I was in a rock and roll band. I was modeling. I was about twenty two and that was burned into my brain and of course flamenco music. I made a record a soundtrack. Actually jury slick was studying to be a cinematographer at San Francisco State. He made a film called. Everybody hit their brother once and I did a Spanish thing for I don't know why it's because that's what I could play on the guitar and and then overdubbed another thing on top of that Spanish guitar is there's something about that that just Spanish just that I like edvard Greek. You don't get the duck but it's not Spanish Norwegian. I don't know why but that's partly why white rabbit your Spanish because I like and Allison Wonderland has been used by everybody because everybody has that experience at some time where they're living one kind of life and then something flips a switch switch and they go over here and go wow that happened with fifties into the sixties happened with me as an individual shaw and most of the people I knew had that experience at that time so the song is poorly written because I was writing it at the parents they said. Why are you taking these drugs. Why why are you doing this. They read us when we were little alice. In wonderland who takes five different drugs drugs in that book they read US Dorothy. The wizard loss they fall down in a field of opium poppies and suddenly they can see the Emerald World City. They weren't paying attention. Why do you take these drugs. Why did you read those books so I was writing that song back at at the at that time what we consider adults. Wong one roommates one's mother don't do anything the last scout when she stands tall twenty four hundred Fulton Street. I pass it every day but I kind of look at that house. Canyon seen not far from where we were yeah and I think that house was pretty much the center of the scene for a long time would you. I don't know about that. I think the grateful dead live Donna Funky of Victorian and that that was a scene too but you painted that house black and that came legendary we didn't do it because the Rolling Stones Song it was it was just let's paint this thing black because everything in that neighborhood everything is straight so if it straight like looking at us or the grateful dead or any of the bands at the time in a hotel lobby of a Hilton in New York City in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight people would look at us as if we had snot coming out of our nose you know we we were just like awful and we loved it. It's not one of those things where you're embarrassed. It's one of those things where you flaunt it. You know so we thought it was great that neighborhood. There aren't any weird houses except ours painter black. It's white again. I'm sorry to tell you yes because nobody likes anything goofy like that. Is there a Jim Morrison store. You've saved. Just tell us tell us. I never ah the worst part of it is. He never came back not because I'm so fabulous because I have short legs and no tits time now. I've got short legs in big tits now. I'm an old person no but at the time I'm not as spectacular looking. I have kind of bowlegs. They're they're kind of short. Not It's kinky black hair so I was always amazed when anybody did come back but as Paul counter we tried to tell China when she was a teenager he said don't get too excited about it. If they want to screw you mental fuck anything and I thought well. That's a little crude for for their kid but it's basically true they would prefer men would prefer to have something. That's really good looking but if there's nothing really good looking around they'll take the ugly one who wants to do you so that is a great segue to we're going to get into the believe or not. I am waiting for this. I have a segue really weird. I admit it that's why we're doing but but I do have a segue here. Do you think that you earned respect as a woman because you will willing to join in on the fun not I didn't care but the fact that you were willing willing to say I had fun. I did sleep with all these men. That's like the anti in today's age though it would ever admit to that. Oh sure sure it has come out in the laws. I'm sure that when they're not around me what a slut. I don't care what you think of me. I live my life. You live yours. I can call you stupid so what you are what you are and you can feel really good about yourself. You feel a really smart. That's just her opinion union that I'm stupid who cares so you've said. The volunteers was a blast to record with the results. Were disappointing. So where do you think where where do you is that an accurate record have to think. I can't remember the lineup. I guess what I'm getting at is as the airplane in progressed you know it got more difficult to have hits and yet. I don't know if the airplane was ever a hits top forty band because you know there was progressive radio bag but but radio and everything was also changing along with the Times Mardi wrote songs that were radio friendly more than we did notice was. Fm then they played albums but we just wrote stuff that felt honest from whoever honest for Paul on us for Mardi earners for of like embryonic journey it doesn't even have lyrics and it's a fabulous song and it's written by hi you're mccallion. That's honest from him. honest from me is probably dark. Sarcastic and Spanish honest from Paul is let's all go to the moon together and that's kind of the David crosby wouldn't ships. Were all leaving because you don't like us or we don't like you or something that's Paul and then Spencer Spencer did it right and Jack didn't write Yerma did I did Paul and Marie so we had four riders but they're all completely different unfortunately and this happens with a lot of bands members will take my stuff. I don't like their stuff. It's to something or it's not enough of Blah Blah. I liked liked it because I thought it was a SMORGASBORD. You could choose. He got something different. It's not all the same so I like the fact that it was all different yet blues she yet Paul going to the moon. Mars Love Song. I'm dark so I like that but the guys didn't Jack Nyama wanted to do their blues and be more honest Austin none of this eight by ten copies of you looking marvelous. He wrote a Song Yama Third Third Week at the Chelsea. We went to New York to do nothing but publicity and if there's anything Jack in the army didn't like it's doing publicity. They're they're musicians musicians. I'm not I'm a screw off. Who Got Lucky. It looked like hey that looks like fun. I think new that and I got I'm not a big musician musician. I can't read music about music. I just hear stuff in my head and go to the piano and poke at it till I get it. They're musicians and they're both very good at it so it depends on who you are which member the ban. I'm sorry that they didn't see it as a whole and I was just sorta okay. I didn't know where Jacking Yama work. We couldn't find him. They had gone to Europe the norse countries Finland Sweden somewhere. We didn't know which country to speed skate. They're both pretty good at speed skating. There were gone so Paul and I just started making records. Uh Shiny voice cuts even when it's stormy but she's yeah well. I didn't want that first half of the conversation with grace to stop next week we dig deep the starship her solo records her art and yet more Politics Grace Slick Ladies and gentlemen a quick note before we sign off Rhino podcast is the proud recipient of this year's Webby Awards honoree for best podcast arts and entertainment congratulations relations. Everyone involved and especially to you our listeners because we couldn't do it without you. 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In Loving Memory of Anton Zilberberg

Slick Talk: The Hospitality Podcast

1:02:26 hr | 2 months ago

In Loving Memory of Anton Zilberberg

"This is a hard episode to produce. I'm just going to jump right into it Anton zilberg the Creator and founder of Auto host about this episode is in memory of him in memory of his legacy. And in memory of his amazing family and business and just impact he's had on the industry wage. Unfortunately four days after recording this episode Anton unexpectedly passed away. And so if you're listening, we really wanted to get across this episode is in memory of him and memory of his family and the impact he's had on everybody. He's ever come in contact with Anton and I were just starting to walk. Get to know each other and really just had an amazing time with him on this podcast episode. So I'm honored that we get to show his his memory and in this forum. And so thank you guys for tuning in and just listening and yeah, you know really being a part of what his vision and goal was and if you're dead you are listening to this right now, we want to you know, send Love Prayer thoughts out to his family and team and so please enjoy the episode take notes because this guy was nothing but a genius an amazing guy. So this is this is for you Anton. This is for your family. This is for your team how to host and of course, like I said for your legacy, welcome to select the hospitality podcast where we discuss all things Hospitality hotels and business. You can find us online at flick off the podcast. And on every podcast listening platform. All right everybody. Welcome back to Slick talk the hospitality podcast and I'm your host will Slickers. I'm very thankful for zoom and all these electric ways that we can I use for meetings and all of this and exciting stuff that I've got swirled. So today I have an awesome guest I'm Anton zilberberg from Auto host. And for any of you walk out there in the Slick talk Universe. I've never heard about a host in a vacation rental world. This is the episode you need to listen to there's so much meat in this episode that you guys are just going to I think if like, I wish we can make this a two-parter this would be so sick to make I can do a series but yeah the day we're here for you guys. So get ready buckle your seatbelts. Welcome to show Anton home and my friend all rights. All right. Thanks for having me. Yeah, it's been it's been a while to making we've been putting this together for a little bit and it's been pleasure to get to talk to you and learn a little bit more about what you do and and you're busy. So I would love to just jump right in the meat of the episode and have you introduced yourself a little bit about your background. And the what Auto host is and does for the industry. Yeah, it's perfect. I had some back and forth trying to catch up, right? Yeah a little bit just a little bit so actually thanks for finally booking before the show and it's a pleasure to be here and hopefully I'll be glad to do educate everyone on trust and safety and the brief introduction Auto House is a risk analysis platform for fascinating Hospitality providers. We use behavioral analysis to increase the friction wage high-risk guests and reduce friction for lovers guess our objective is to get good gas into properties as quickly as possible seamless interaction and flag those bad gas or what you would need to be bad. You suck based on your rules Fest in preferences and stop them from entering the properties and making sure that you get paid and to avoid any unpleasant surprises like parties, which is a recent event has been dead. It's actually that's been happening across state industries know for sure. Well, I'm curious to to know I have so many questions. Where did this come from where this idea stemmed from? And really, how do you guys do this in the sense of really what shows like what do you analyze to show a potential risk or a non potential risk, so we actually started in property management and we quickly scaled the management company. We always me and my co-founder who's actually my wife within the property management company, we work constantly building and improving operational efficiencies. So we started by building different types of automation to streamline the guest experience automatic check-ins and different types of automatic Communications. They replies in the bunch of old that's in we're talking two thousand fourteen fifteen sixteen way before all of the automated tools that exist today and unfortunately, we got attacked after scaling quickly wage. Do a bunch of other platforms and we realized that we have a really big hole within our flow within a process flow and we got attacked by organized crime. They smuggled all types of bad behavior inside. They had escort services trafficking drug dealing and that really enlightened us that we said we can continue operations like this. We absolutely need to solve that issue for us. And we basically took everything that we were doing manually translated that into an automated way and now it's become a behavioral analysis product. We're we're analyzing different signals that are coming from the OTAs the reservation and we're assessing risk based on what you as a property manager would deem to be risky. We look for things like anomalies within the reservation process. So the number of guests on the reservation, that's just one example, if it's just one guests and you're booking a month. Person occupancy. Well, we know that it's kind of weird right one guest wouldn't need a 10% occupancy. That's kind of a giveaway. We also look at a bunch of digital characteristics. So there's IP address their geolocation. We're doing a bunch of correlations on five hundred different data points and data signals that come from the devices and the browser analyzing all of that and together with a bunch of dead and personally identifiable information. We're building a picture whether the guests are those who they say they are coming for the intended purpose that they're stating. So it was really dead came from a need within the space and I'm happy to say that we're one of the leading security companies and security vendors working with really large operators helping them solve that issue. Now this is kind of off-the-cuff question, but you know, you're talking about a lot of data points and and computer signals and other things like that is this safe in the sense of birth? Like guests as well as host or property manager. Yeah. That's an excellent question. We aim to build a product that is non biased non-discriminatory. So right now the way the world works and in overall for host is that you're getting an Airbnb reservation and you're seeing the name of the person their phone number potentially and the profile picture, right? And you're trying to make an assessment based on that in addition to their Revolt now about guests for me to live for example, somebody who had a meth lab exploded my house. Yes for you could be somebody that violated your house rules and walked off with shoes inside your place, right? There's also unconscious and conscious bias in the process and that is very very difficult to reboot regardless of where you are and it regardless of whether you are in the world off from a safety perspective and the Privacy perspective were aiming to provide the easiest way to interpret results by removing a bunch of those biases now for the guests themselves the nice thing about At this does that the entire platform is built by Professional Security Experts and we're very privacy conscience. So we're abiding by all privacy regulations around the world gdpr and just amongst the most strict ones of course and that is one of those factors that play a role in addition to that because we're using Dynamic analysis, not every guest is going through the same application process. So we'll if you're making a reservation. Let's say last minute you would go through a more stringent verification process. So we would ask you for more information like your credit card off, of course, it's processed by an external vendor. We never have access to it or your ID and if me Anton is traveling with my family and I'm looking at months and months in advance. The chances of me being a reservation is significantly lower. Therefore. I wouldn't need to provide so much information and that's a crucial part of the process. Yeah, I was going to ask that kind of goes into the what like the indicators were but I think this can be like a two-parter for for everyone who's listening. I guess. What are those key indicators like you talked about whether it's you know time of booking versus time of arrival and other things like that like one person for a 10% occupancy. And then also how long as the risk changed now what indicators have changed or in covet for Hospitality providers? Yeah, that's actually a super interesting question because what coffee brought is all of the sudden in faith in flux of demand of I must have housing right? I was either laid off from my job and I need to relocate to achieve recommendation or another way. We're home you or let's say You're A salesperson and you were constantly traveling cuz you didn't have a lease. It was see that frequency and all of a sudden you need a combination in your city. So what ends up happening is that we've seen an influx. Reservations being squeezed into a shorter lead time and that by default increase the risk some of the things that we've seen though because of that is we've seen security deposits fail closer to the reservation date month. We've obviously seen a high cancellation rate from leisure travel because people the borders were closed that's just a common Trend in our industry itself and we've seen a bunch of incidents of gas misrepresenting themselves. So they're trying to sneak in creating profiles for someone else. So let's say your cousin and la and you're trying to sneak into a party in Chicago. Yeah, some of those things that we've seen right those are actually really interesting things and really interesting challenges for houses a security company and for the industry overall to resolve I was going to say with with something like that with security deposits and stuff. Have you seen a shift at all with property managers going away from that into something more like a proper insurance or safely or even if I don't even know if you guys have something in that sense of kind of like a insurance safety net that covers more than what it would take for like $1,500 deposit versus $100 million, you know hundred bucks for the guests to pay for a million dollar insurance policy. Yeah. So we we actually don't do insurance at all. We partner with whoever provides that insurance whether a General commercial liability provider or other companies that offer travel specific insurance, right? What's what we've seen those in the security deposit front is that we use that as one of our ranking factors as well because we know that for example American Express has a very very good security job. On their cards and they would plug any cars any any transactions that seem to be high risk and they would flag out from they would capture pretty quickly. So we actually analyzed those then you would have the choice of other credit cards prepaid credit cards and cards that are marked as fraudulent or debit cards, right? So it's actually quite interesting for property managers to accept credit cards, not for the purpose of security deposit, but brother for the purpose of analysis analyzing the gas itself now on the security deposit front overall. I always like to walk recommend to all of our customers to charge some form of a security deposit. The reason for that is if you're allowing a person to enter into a property you want to make sure that they have at least $500 on their credit card. Right, you're the rights that they get when they're entering a property and the liability that you're taking is huge. Right? And if somebody doesn't have two hundred three hundred five hundred dollars on their credit card or birth. They have insufficient funds or they have a prepaid credit card or a debit card that gets declined. That's a risk, right? That might not be the person that you want. Now, it depends on the property itself. If you're a month also or three star property or whatever it is or a motel some sort doubt change, but generally speaking with in the vacation rental industry the more expensive the property the higher the wage the high there apart you want to have some form of collateral and what what better collateral than cash, right? Yeah. Exactly. I was going to say my business partners are probably going to hate me for this and thankfully they moved into the show as often as other people do but we had a couple of guests that very well checked out and I think most of the listeners know and most of the guests know that we have a a castle. It's a 12-month Thousand square foot like legit brick-and-mortar castle and these guests were lawyers. They were you know, kind of doing a staycation small little get together so they said right off and we always have a deposit. It's about 1,500 and you know, our nightly rates on the $1,600, you know range, so they're paying a good chunk of change in order to stay out our property and let's just say When they checked out we definitely wish we had Auto host at that point because we walked in on a pretty pretty interesting vacant property with some evidence of a little heavy partying and a few other things that were left on the counter if you know talking about and so, you know, we emailed the guest back and I said look this was unacceptable the way the conditions. Were you broke the guidelines and the contract and all the rules but unfortunately the $1,500 and their nightly rate didn't even cover the cleanup and the damage and all the other stuff that was going on. So it's interesting to see even though us as humans when we're you know, trusting a guess we're verifying or you know, sending a contract we're having their ID scan there, you know, we're checking out their business that they owned or whatever like there was still We you know, it was a safe in our head but at the end of the day with something like what Auto host does probably would have showed a little bit more risk than what we you know only saw on the surface a.m. Correct? And actually what's interesting there is that you what we've identified and our clients are reporting the same thing is that when you're holding a lot of information about guess about people behave better. So if they had plans, you know, they rented the castle and they had plans to bring 50 people and they advertise it on Facebook and it could turn into 300 people. Well, maybe they changed those plans and now they kept the twenties. So the damage that you have with a significantly smaller at this point, that's obviously an extreme example, we've also seen and reports in multifamily. We're home. There's a bit of a friction between the long-term and the short-term tenants and overall the long-term tenants are reporting better behavior from the short-term into gas a part of that is because now they're abiding by certain rules. A certain standards just like long-term tenants are right. Yeah, the transaction doesn't become anonymized anymore. And the property manager actually has a legal way to go ahead and charge the guess within your profile ID signing a rental contract security deposit, you're providing your email the names and everything else. You would think twice before you're going to have that party and that's something that works really. Well, you don't need all the hostages right? You can do it manually. You can do it by being super diligent you can do phone screening and some check in and just have that face-to-face conversation without having any fancy too long to do. So for sure. I was going to say what what what kind of goes into like the cuz we're talking about parties a little bit, you know with fraud identity thefts, you know credit cards all that stuff wage. We know we've seen this trend pick up from covid-19 specially with a lot of people getting out of there, you know, big cities like New York or Seattle. We see a lot of people going home. Outskirts, right? So the outer quote unquote Outer Banks of you know, urban areas and and getting away but also at the same time now we're seeing a lot of these properties become boss David party related or maybe you know, one of my favorite stories from noise aware is that underground strip club that the strip club owner, you know rented a place in Miami and got all hated. Yeah, you know that, you know, all the things like that thankfully, you know, that didn't continue on for very long. I got shut down pretty quick but I you know, like we've seen a trend we see the trend that people are taking I think we're all getting creative a certain ways of whether you're a strip club owner and going to an Airbnb to run your operation or if you're young, you know, a nineteen-year-old with brother. That's 25 and get you an Airbnb and you can go party with your friends, you know, there's a covet and I think we've seen that. So what do you guys offer? I guess in the sense of Auto host seeing with the the risk and not only the risk but the indicators for for these Trends. Yeah, so, there's a severity to everything right? So there's the general risk what we categorize General risk as it's they are who they say they are they're just not coming in for the intended purpose of their stage. So that's the party. I'll talk about the the fraud risk. The fraud risk is a whole category in its own which is the identity theft sex trafficking and trafficking drugs and all this that that shit. These are usually very organized groups who have a system they're sneaking in we've seen an increase in those because naturally when rates go down the those people actually are coming out of nowhere. I call them the traveling circus because they're moving from City to city and kind of hitting property managers who are unsuspecting and when it usually off As in the winter and the rest of the general risk overall increases in the winter because there's less demand property managers are $80 for that Revenue. So they're kind of cutting corners only to regret that reservation after birth. So we we're seeing that we're seeing a lot of stolen credit cards coming through skimmed credit cards stolen credit cards coming through and then they end up resulting in a chargeback. We actually bought a bunch of mismatching information coming. So we have a very Advanced location tracking with five different geo-tagging points where we Leverage The wherever they took on our legs wherever they actually opened up the connection to our system there IP address or browser as well as we're their phone number is located in registered and a bunch of other indicators to where they are and we've seen an increase in this notches, which is quite interesting right? Because it means that somebody was originally making the booking it could be from Seattle and then all of a sudden they're doing the verification in Chicago. And they're entering a property in Florida. And all of that is the same day reservation. Well, that doesn't make sense. Right unless there's something fishy here. There's something wrong. So we've seen an increase in that house regrets to the covered parties. I you know, people are taking to party clubs are closed bars are closed. Right? Like what else you gotta do? What are you going to find a bunch of people to your parents house? So hopefully not know write your parents will kill you, right? So what's the easiest way to do? This is just to rent and short-term rental somewhere and not suspecting project manager on a suspecting owner bring your friends there and just party there right the people who are doing it don't really care about any any of those quarantines. They don't write they don't they're not the ones who are law-abiding per say that yeah, you can say that a lot of fighting is a good term. My so my question is kind of off the off the cuff again this so Auto host like the way you guys do this. Are you mostly for property managers that have their own direct booking platform or it could this be anybody who has like four patients, for example, the you know, they have one property and they manage it just on Airbnb so would like Beth this be something that they can Implement into their their system as well. So the platform was actually designed should be before Enterprise clients hotels and high-growth property managers and we're optimizing your efficiency and accuracy of screening and collection of information and validation of that while decreasing risk right off. So the product is designed specifically for teams. It's not designed for individual homeowners yet. We don't have a product for that. You're actually better off doing it yourself rather than paying some form of a tool because you need to have a dog Insurance that you have actually gone through your sop standard operating procedure and you have actually seen the guest the way that people are asking me constantly. What can I quickly do you need to do everything within your power to feel safe that the person that's entering your home is in fact the person who's entering the whole right? Yeah. Yeah, if if you have any form of doubts or if there's anything that doesn't make sense, don't be shy to lift up the phone give them a call do a video call meet them in person. Do absolutely everything within your power particularly if it's your own home and an increase of threats that we've seen of people renting their own homes is actually identity theft because these groups they're renting was stolen credentials. There's renting airbnb's entering into homes going through the documents file their social security numbers and their credit cards or credit card numbers phone numbers addresses. They have a bunch of information and then they go and open up loans remortgage the houses open up steel dog. Cars, they do a bunch of crazy shit like just Embrace, right? The threat is endless. Well that makes sense too for the Enterprise side of thing. It's just because there is such an influx and high-traffic of information flow in I think front whether it's from a you know, Property Management platform or just from you know inquiries alone. You're probably when you're at that scale seeing a lot more of like a long hard to vet through a lot more information when you have a lot coming in versus one-offs that are just you know, on a weekend here one week. They're like my parents, you know, they're not swamped. They're not having a hundred. They don't know, you know, they can be much manage themselves versus like a company like ours where you know constantly getting you know guests and getting new properties up online and you know, all these other things so that makes a lot more sense. It's really easy to get things to slip by right when you're large property management company because you're optimizing against one metric which is usually Revenue growth or profitability or whatever it would be and then you're kind of neglecting your operating procedures right wage. It's very easy, very very easy to neglect and forget about that and the disadvantage that we have is operators against these bad people is that only takes for us is to forget something month and they would need to find an exploit once and there isn't right for us as operators. We need to cover our bases and cover kind of all of our walls and put cannons everywhere else to make sure that there's no holes in our security in our defenses for sure. That's how cybersecurity has worked forever. It's not something new it just the hospitality space. Yeah, I think you know, we're seeing such a huge growth in rentals, but especially I just got off the phone with a guy with Marriott and you know, they're obviously hotels are in a different position. They're you know, not getting as much occupancy if any occupancy at all and this is something that they've been doing, you know with they have front desk staff that can manage these types of things, you know, check ID and credit cards and all the other stuff off. But I want to go into how do you protect your business and your employees? This is kind of a big thing that we will talk about in the show is that you know, we're always about the guest experience for sure, but I think the team and employee staff experience and this is a big part safety, you know, we all want to feel comfortable on the guest side and on the property management side to feel safe that grinding not only a good service in a good standard, but our guests are also providing, you know, safety to the you know, the assets that we're managing currently for either other Real Estate Investors or ourselves God. Yeah, that's something that the feedback that I get. Usually when I speak to people and conferences as change your freaking passwords, right and and able dual Factor authentication check and make sure that you have an ongoing list and use like last a salon password or anything along those lines and feed dedicated logins or employee because you you never know when employees are going to be Rogue employees. You don't know off. And clients our customer will turn against you and try to hijack your business or whatever or anything along those lines. Make sure that you're securing your accounts. That's that's a simple security wage advice overall. You should keep doing that frequently and you should be securing everything you can the most important part is education get educated about the risk. I'm sure that everybody who's listening to this right now is home to learn and get some advice and figure this out. So that's the first step. The next step is to bring that expertise and experience to the rest of your team. What are those threats? What is identity theft what is a chargeback? Why is it important what to look for? What is the risk your reservation why we shouldn't have parties. Why are the risks to my business when I have a party the rest of the business overall when you have a bad accident could be huge. You can damage your reputation as property management company, which means that you wouldn't be able to acquire any clients if there's a bad news article that comes against you and you would lose your job. Potential operating license if you're in our heavy regulated State and you could actually get yourself into legal trouble if you actually don't take those things seriously, right? So getting educated is a very very important that the next thing is after you get educated you change your passwords and you give everybody their own credentials is to make sure that there's a standard Sops and instead of operating procedures in regards to account handling things that we do at our company because we're we're security company. Our CTO is cyber security expert. So we're super strict on which types of emails with attachments and things like that that we even accept right? Yeah. And when I started this I had a little heart attack almost when I saw that on one of the major OTAs, there are no permissions. So essentially that was a couple of years ago, they fix it now, but you essentially any time you create a new user you would open up the game. Possibility of that user changing the account credentials or changing the permission for changing where the deposit where the accounts are going to be the payments are going to be wrong relative. Right? And when you're a high-growth property management company to take even a couple of days of operations of the reservations being deposited into a different account that is a massive massive massive liability for the business go recover that it's very difficult. So a lot of managers don't realize that but it's basic security advice that comes from all the security companies in the world, right? Yeah, pretty much that is just I think you know, we have a like again it kind of goes back to the growth of the industry, right? There's so many old school ways that are now becoming like okay. Caught on to our old school ways. Like we need to up it and everything we do we're maturing, right? Yeah. The industry is maturing. It's it's a phase that happen. I mean before that I my lawyer actually was dead. I started using a renting his apartment on Airbnb way before it was saying before you and I even knew that it existed like 2010/2011 and he told me that he never charged anybody for cleaning for like two years and people left. The place is clean and they would leave the door open the keys inside and it was a complete trust system, right? Yeah, that's the people that we're using yet Workforce adapter is now when became a little bit more common hanging a lockbox on a fence in the middle of a park or a bike. All right to your million dollar apartment doesn't cut it off. Yeah, it doesn't so what are the trends emerged from Covent? Like we've said this is kind of something I think covid-19 Lee sped this up dead. And I also you know talked with Michael golden with noise aware and we we've discussed about a lot of stuff that you know, the industry was already growing and shifting and maturing kind like we just said dead. But I think this whole covid-19 really spend it up in a lot of different ways and did so what are the trends that have emerged from covid-19 and then did these changes or wage these change the threats faced by property managers? Yeah. So the obvious changes the move towards longer-term Extended Stays in midterm rentals right page. That's just the nature of the business and how it came to be. I mean, there's less staticy travel. There's overall less volume of travel. So that has moved that be kind of talked about everywhere right there beneath the program for that. I haven't seen that booking.com recently created a program for Extended Stays because they know that they need to cook given that the traveler Persona has also changed. So if before the it was a lot of leisure travel and some business travel where you almost have no business travel now so cities like Toronto where I live where we had a big chunk of our Revenue coming in for business travel that all of that basically disappeared. Yeah, very little you have a lot less leisure travel in urban cities. So you have a lot more patience type of things that people staying coming in and just want to relax or they want to place away from their kids. So the traveler has changed so they're a lot of locals are going through which if you ask any property managers, who is the most high risk demographic they'll tell you locals, right? Yeah, huh? Yeah. No, honestly. Yeah, so it means that by default everybody became high risk all of a sudden, right? Yeah, and if you were to even push that further you'd be like well is it locals or is it locals under 25 under Thirty? So that's that's kind of a change. It also brought you types of risks to property ma'am. So it before that you were a short-term daily rental operator, and now you've moved into an Extended Stay operator you are opening yourself up to squatters and people are taking advantage off. Offensive that murky law system where short-term rentals operates, which is between commercial and residential right and and we've seen that happen over and over again. Like we thought we as a company had to adapt to that change and we had to build specific requirements for creating long-term tenants and long-term guests, which means that we basically built Automation and we built things like Equifax and Transunion reports and build a nation towards that and we had to leverage additional screenings and we had to go through stricter requirements in the background checks and the ads ask a lot more information and sometimes even provide provide help our managers collect the show the ability that the tenant can actually pay or the gas can actually get paid for a couple of months going forward. So if they're coming it for three months and their rent is $9,000 a month, which is kind of City sounds City. Well, do you actually have that money in your bank account? Or do you actually have a job so those have became wrists which didn't really exist before to those types of editors, right? Yeah. So a lot of the things that we always recommend is to collect the payment in advance for sure. That's it the best recommendation I can have Yeah, I wouldn't say collect payment in advance. And you know, it kind of goes in a staycation thing a lot of people even in our industry that we we know that we're you know connected within our net worth applying to places to go work remotely just and change the scenery bring the kids bring the wife bring the husband whatever and they're getting up but you're you're also right, you know there that's a big chunk. You know, if you're paying $9,000 just to go to a new place to work. I don't know if I saw a $9,000 like let's say for my parents little property if I saw a $9,000 inquiry come in for three months. I'll be a little confused. I'd be like what my rent is a even a third of that. So why why are you going to pay, you know, five times more for this? So it makes sense and I think collecting favorite and screening for the proof of income is key. It's got like that's a must we we actually have an ongoing job. Is that you know, if you don't have $500 on your credit card, then maybe you should think twice before spending $9,000 on this reservation, which goes back to the security deposit question right off. Maybe it's not as effective against the $10,000 security claim, but at least you're verifying but they can that they're normal people who have a at least a little bit of money on the car and that really helps protect things off. The other part is that a lot of jurisdictions municipalities states have changed their eviction laws right for common now allowed to make so the people are taking advantage of. And those professional squatters is professional tenants. They are very well aware of those laws and rules, right? So even if you call up the Sheriff's Office and you say hey, I have somebody spotting here. They have a good thing. Well, nothing I can do about it. I can't bring you back them. So protecting yourself with the correct agreement drafted by a lawyer knowing your laws and hopefully avoiding any mentions of lease or anything you've ever resembles wage. Dential tenancy laws would be the best recommendation you can have right like commercial commercial agreements commercial usage agreement or we refer to it as a user agreement with overall. We're a used agreement is essentially a license to enter a real estate property. As long as you're paying to enter the property once you stop paying for that property, you lose a licence and therefore you're trespassing. So if you need to call up a the police, you can say I have a trespasser right or I have people who are unlawfully located in my property. Once you get there. Once they get there you can essentially you dissolve the drama. Yeah. Now that's smart slow talkers listening right now. You need to take note of that. Like that's so soaky have so many people in my life right now. They're experiencing, you know, long-term renters not paying because of those lifted restrictions on you know, squatter's rights and all these other stuff that goes with covid-19. Um, if if anyone is having issues or problems with in your jurisdictions or have any needs any advice consult a lawyer obviously and we have a lot of information on our blog as well as you can reach out to us. We'll be more than happy to help or we can provide additional context and insight from our experience will be more than happy to do that for sure and listeners. I will be putting that in the show notes just as FYI so we can have a actionable step for you to see it. So kind of back to the the flow of what we're young and what can property managers do to avoid these types of gas. Obviously, we've kind of talked about you know, Collecting payment up front or other things like that, but maybe it's something that's preventative maintenance type step. So the most the best advice I have is to essentially know who's coming in right? That's you need to know who's inside. Do they have social media accounts? You don't have to look at their social media accounts. You need to look at Thursday even exist, right? Do they have a valid phone number? Can they reach their is this a valid email address? So it's very simple to validate those things by sending them. They're checking instructions to their email address, right if they open it off while you know that they have a valid email at this and those are some indicators then of course signed up rental agreement provide ID provide a credit card to provide all of those major indicators to make sure that you know who's inside so essentially comes down to collecting information about the guest in a secure way and disposing of that information when it's unnecessary wage. Remove the risk of privacy violations within your country. And with that you're spaced. Those are the best. The best thing is managers can do particularly right now when everything is sensitive importance losing their jobs and contracts and everything is changing, right? Yeah. Well, I was going to say if you're so any podcast listeners out there right now, they're listening to this part. I think if you are at the state where you do not have a property management platform, so it's like, you know guess t or hopefully or whatever if you don't have one of those you should get on one because this is going to be something that's going to be really key. I think from twenty-twenty and forth, you know direct bookings is a you know, obviously a huge thing. But what Anton is saying right now with information knowing your guests these types of tools like a management platform and auto Auto host this like he's been saying is also been control you have now you're now taking back control, which is super important. I think we all thought in the beginning of covid-19 This I don't even know like it's just it's made a very difficult even with having software and all these other things. I want to I want to get your Insight because how I want to smoke houses affect the screening process. How can we overcome this lack of control that we now have from this this one platform? It's important to note that everybody has its own incentives, right and their own shareholders and their own stake holders that they need to kind of satisfy. And those are not their health their magic. Yeah. Usually it's their employees investors and so forth and those come first and why I'm suspecting the one of the reasons why everybody even created this policy is because the Airbnb it all the OTAs. I'm not competing on the supplies that they're competing on the demand side are competing on the gas and what property managers have been doing is using everybody is the first actual tribution to acquire a guest and every marketing them for direct bookings or across from bookings or whatever. It would be kind of stealing. So everybody created those policies to prevent Managers from doing so in reality what they've done is also created a very difficult process for managers to abide by from a privacy perspective because now they're not from a screening perspective and Assurance perspective because now they're taking the entire responsibility of screening on to themselves now dead. With the increase of it or BB incidents and the increase and we're using every bit as an example, but it's not unique to Airbnb. It could be an LT or direct bookings the increase in incidence. I got up and it's when something actually happens on your property. Airbnb doesn't show up at your door kicking people out. Right just like what happened, it's you it's you the manager wage and it's just like what happened to the property manager a couple of weeks ago that got shot and this is just an unfortunate incident. I've never heard anything like this. You got beaten up and shot. When you tried to dismantle. This is the rest of the managers are taking right the platforms are not doing that. So for us as a company is a screening company, we're actually in a fortunate position because we don't need to relax on a lot of that person personally identifiable information in order to make an assessment. So we have so many data points and none of them are dependent on each other per se and we can assemble a picture with them. Read and what we recommend to do is to add into your terms of service that for legal purposes and to abide by your insurance purposes and insurance requirements. If you go requirements within your contractual obligations, you need to collect certain pieces of information and list what those are whether that's ID whether that's credit card, whether that's your email address and both of those things because you actually do need that for insurance purposes over. All right and most contracts would state that you need to do some form of screening and that usually consists of collecting certain pieces of information. So that's kind of the the broad answer and why it's even more important is because when you're collecting those information this piece of information you're going through the cage, he process the know-your-customer process which banks and financial institutions have and that is a much bigger Assurance piece that you need to have as a property manager and just like a wage Kind of said before when you don't know those when you're new don't have that information and you don't know who's coming inside and you're uncertain of who that person is you're taking risk and it's unnecessary risk, right? So and that's not that's not a good thing that are being B has done but it it is for selfish reasons and I can totally understand why they do it. I don't have to agree with it off. Yeah. I'm in the same boat, you know, I don't agree with it. I you know, I think it it makes you know, we're already as an industry. You know a segment of hospitality that is fighting for the you know, the bad, you know, we're fighting against the bad name that has kind of come from it obviously wage were a new not a new but we're a new age of you know, a short-term rentals. So the Airbnb party is the you know, Neighbors being upset, you know, this is why things like noise aware of and create a new one of our companies have been created like there's all these companies that have been created because lack of control and lack of, you know, being able to gather information and regulate properly month. And so actually I do want to know that it's actually stays in the policy, but you're not permitted to collect. Yes information unless required by local laws or building management. So you're not essentially violating that would take that for those reasons. There's no way for or need for you to provide specific needs Airbnb that the contracts or your contractual obligations. You just need to stay those soldiers. Animal way to get around it consult a lawyer before you do that. Yeah. Now that's what I was going to say because for us even though we're in the luxury segment of vacation rentals. It's still you know wage is uneasy to have to reach out on a platform that screens, you know, what information is being passed along between property manager and gas so I think that's really good as some great tool. I'm definitely going to use that and get our lawyer pretty much on the phone right now. But so it's going to start betting you from the moment that you said that you're going to reach out. I know that's why I do more research. Like I have them mapped out for him like write fix it and then give me the lowest Bill possible. So how does security change in the hotel industry? What are hotels doing? Because I'm a hotel guy. I've never been a hotels versus vacation rentals. A lot of my listeners know that I I think there's a need for both and I don't think either one of them is going to go away anytime soon. Um, but hotels are really struggling right now like legit struggling. I just talked to like I said a guy in Chicago what they 1214 room Hotel. They are going to be they've been closed since they opened up a little bit and then they close again in March and they won't are they're not expecting open up until 2020 want so and even with them being closed like that. No occupancy. No guests. They're still operating about one point 1 million dollars a month for you know, employee benefits and the current employees that are working Plus off electric bill and all the other things that go into it. So I want to I want to see what you've got to say. I want to hear what you got about the hotel side. Well, I'm not crying over that because they're ripping. It's for the past like twenty years, right? So now I'm joking. Of course, I feel I feel really up here really bad. Yeah or hotels consumer Trends because of, does change. Dramatically and not a lot of people feel safe staying in sales from a security point of view hotels generally speaking. I have spoken to a bunch of general managers office and ups and things like that and we asked them what do you guys actually due for screening and the general consensus is nothing they don't do anything, right and that is going to change and that is good to change because there's now requirements for let's say covet screening so they need to have some of these some form submitted before you arrive at the property whether you are high risk of coefficients Mission or not having arrived from a high risk country or have you been experiencing symptoms and things like that and we're already seeing that right? So the next phase of that is to remove headcount from actual operations in the hotel which is going to be streaming with more technology, which is actually the opportunity for short term rental operators short term rental operators. If you you probably have this a hundred times on your podcast, everybody comes in and says you need to do more automation right wage. Tells are so much of this anti anti automation companies because they're so, such a convoluted process and they operate on men can write like a five-star hotel is essentially you have like a bunch of employees in the space serving you with very tiny rooms, but you have amazing amenities restaurants bars and all those crazy stuff that they stuffed inside to actually increase the value of the month in the state. So hotels would need to adapt it would need to have seamless check-ins self-check ins and all of those things and naturally from a screening perspective. They have different types of programs and they're usually around education. I can't tell you that they're effective companies like the Marriott of spend and have announced that they're spending millions of dollars education facilities about trafficking. Yeah, and they're actually putting that pressure and putting that responsibility on the front counter stats, which is very responsible. They are you dead. Very low wage employees. If not minimum wage employees, right? They're not trained to start very sophisticated cases of trafficking which is what caused crime units are actually going for and going through they are prone to again bias. Right and there's very little amount of mechanisms in place to increase that accuracy. So I'm very hopeful that we as an industry in Hospitality will be able to provide solutions for those big hotel Brands and chains and things like that. I'm really glad you mentioned that because you know, that's where I started out with friends desk five-star Marriott Autograph Collection, you know independent but had that flag and this is really actually a good time that you bring this up because there's another episode on the show that I talked with a lawyer from California because California passed a bill every Hospitality employee needs to be trained in sex trafficking and like what indicators are off. All these other things right and there's so many times like we see this is obviously an increased industry, unfortunately, and I just think about my times like back at the front desk. Like, how may times did I miss out because front desk agents, we are trained in a certain sense of make sure that the photo ID matches the name on the reservation that the name on the photo ID matches the debit or credit card and that you know, this information kind of checks out. There's a little bit of a, you know indicator of red flags like when it's a prepaid booking on booking.com and the name on the ID is different and you know, there's little things that you can pick up on in the sense of something's off. But like you said the Excuse me, the the sense of like the professional trafficking is very hard to pick up on and so getting into this realm of security that you're talking about. I think it's so neat it cuz this like sex sex trafficking in general is just skyrocketed hotels and even vacation rentals are the suckers that what you actually said is that when you're at a hotel in your checking the credit card against the ID is to actually prevent the chargeback, right? They care about their payments prior to their mission statement of fighting trafficking, right? Yeah. There are there aren't look these traffickers and these people these are very Advanced sophisticated crimes, right? They're very violent crimes. They don't cause havoc in the place. They're super super quiet. Usually they're Blended they look very normal, right they know how to do this in the victims themselves are also manipulated to some extent right they could they could also be a part of the of the crime of the Act without even realizing it because that they don't know any better and we've seen that time and time again of fake account or the victims themselves have been forced to headquarters to use their identities to create fake accounts. And then from that account it turns into an entire month. Escort ring or using the space for a brothel right and we've seen those incidents and that's very unfortunate. It happens in hotels more than I can even quantify probably. Yeah. It's scary like on how it's like right on the tip of your nose and nobody really sees it but you know, hopefully, you know as like we said that Cove it's really spend a lot of things up in the industry and hopefully that's one of them, you know as we're getting to you know through the episode. I want to know what are some like, you know, we always want to educate the the listeners and kind of give you know, knowledgeable action things what our main takeaways for property managers. So the most important part is of course education, like I said before but being proactive instead of reactive and constantly thinking about those threats is super important. It comes with education. It comes with building a good process surrounding it obviously enforcing that process and training and reinforcing that process is important. I'm sure that your time when you were at a hotel you constantly had training retraining trading performance evaluations and a bunch of those things. It sounds far-fetched, but for an organization that has you know hundreds of thousands of employees. It's the only way to do business when you only have a couple of employees you can let some things slip by but you still need to do that once in awhile, right? So constantly teaching your team constantly afraid of writing all of those things and running that into their heads off or super important implementing a good process from the get-go is also important as startups and most of short-term rental companies are usually startups and the ones that have grown at least it off. Very easy not to do those things, but the better process you build early on the faster. You'll be able to scale right without going overboard. You shouldn't be spending too much time and money on that. You should be doing a Justin a ratio of what your business is actually doing. So and the last thing that I want to say is you want to make sure that everyone understands your process. So it's kind of like a explain your thinking don't just say what you're thinking and hopefully everyone picks up like literally break it down. This is where I think a lot of guys especially I'm very guilty of this page where I am thinking a million thoughts in my head and I'll say one point but I don't explain it into details of which will understand the process of why I'm making this decision. Like that was one thing when I was a manager at a hotel job was I would say, okay so and so on front desk and need you to do this and housekeeping for this room. I need you to go grab this and do this one little thing for me and it's they don't understand why because they don't suck. All the stuff that I saw that and I thought it was like oh this is how we're going to make the situation change and you know, very easily like the, you know, the guest experience or whatever make it more efficient and cost-effective on us, you know, I'm not on the radio hollering every detail, but at the end of the day, like you said everyone does need to understand the process and so when you're able to take the time pull your staff aside and give them this is why am I said this or why I'm doing this this way it helps them cuz then it empowers them in the sense of becoming more Ambassador like for the brand for the company and for of course the gas operations as a home. It's one of the most important things in conflict resolution for kids is to explain to them the reasoning why they can do things in translates very well to employees. Yeah, since like dead, you know, you wonder why your kids ask why all the time they want to know so tell Mark perfect. Well, I just have a few more questions and I think this is always a fun one to ask all my guess is How do you see traveler Behavior changing postcode? Yeah as super interesting and I really don't have an answer here and I can only speculate but I can tell you from my perspective is that I am going to take a lot less trips by planes. So yeah is just what ends up happening. It's going to be a lot more driving. I think Brian chesky seem to be also affirmed that that the ultimate travel experience is going to be within like two hour drive from your home. Right? So that is for leisure for business travel. I am actually a little bit concerned wage and I think we spoke slightly about this before the episode, right? Yeah, and it's it's been capped and it's been very difficult to build those relationships where for businesses and I think it's going to suck back much faster than we expect. I just don't know when what type of format that would be. I think it also starts with the airports as well as with the airline's changing some of the Dead Policies and changing some of their even infrastructure to accommodate for that and the more we learn about covid-19 spread of covet will also help us kind of build the facilities around how to be safe around it right at first it started. We thought that the spread of covid-19. To fly a lot less at least for the foreseeable future because there's a lot less demand. The planes are going to be with less people. The hotels are going to change maybe the new hotels that are going to be busy. We are not going to be these hundred and eighty square foot rooms, but they are going to be five hundred six hundred seven hundred square foot rooms that will accommodate the full kitchen and will be built more of these Extended Stays maybe a lot of that inventory would be moved towards the longer-term market, right and you would have different business models like my faith example of the business of a business model is subscription-based living but independent of location, so you would those are innovative solutions that could potentially emerge from this web app. I would me as a property management company. I would be able to essentially create a Marketplace for long-term subscriptions where the monthly rate would be $3,000, but I would be dead. Poverty, but I'll be able to choose a studio apartment in Manhattan and lived there for a month. I'll be able to choose a villa in Mexico and live there for a month and they'll be able to talk around base wage. So those types of innovative business models. I I think are going to be emerging because they're a lot more economical. There are a lot more operationally decision. The workforce is changing the channels are changing off of that and you're going to see a lot more currency Arbitrage opportunities, right you from a software developer in engineer in San Francisco and I'm making $250,000 a month for me to have my quality of life in San Francisco. I would need to basically burn my entire salary then maybe there's an opportunity to live in Mexico or in beliefs or know even in Texas where the internet is like you better than that is very true. I'm I'm hopeful to I'm in the same boat. I think you know, I'm hoping to see more innovative business models. I'm definitely really wow. I've been preaching the last you know, five years about hotels being super far behind in adaptive, you know technology and procedures and other things. I'm really hoping to see the industry for the hotel side really turn hybrid, you know, remote key remote keyless entry, you know, obviously more screening of the guests in that sense of kind of like an auto host and then of course, I'm getting rid of the lobby as a center of the property in the sense to open up the rooms more give or a little bit more value to the the room itself off and the rates that they charge and of course then make the front desk into like a I would love to see like a Verizon, you know style to it. You know, it's like very relaxed. It's very cash personal battles at the same time. It's not going to be the heart of every issue you're able to solve things actually take care of the guests and different aspects. I think they'll hopefully they'll need to really change and wage. To figure their business models deal hotels, right? Because they right now when you walk into almost any hotel, like normal hotel in an urban area you walk into the bar, right? And and then after that you walk into an exception and after the reception you kind of go into a common area elevators and so forth, right? So I think we need to probably reconfigure some of that and I think a lot a lot more people and that's what vacation rentals are more popular because they're offer more value for sports footage. So the hotels will naturally need to adapt to that. I'm super curious to see how that will play out and how that will actually change and that's kind of yet-to-be-determined pressure. Well Anton, I really appreciate you being on the show. I just want to ask and we're can everybody find you what is maybe like last fine. So you may have for the audience and yeah, I'm just curious to see what you got to say for sure. Thanks for having me. Again. It's awesome talking to you and you can find me on LinkedIn and turns it off. Berg I'm probably the only one on with that name there you can reach me an auto host. 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Debate: Do Gods decrees violate Mans Free Will? Matt Slick vs. Skylar Fiction

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1:58:32 hr | 11 months ago

Debate: Do Gods decrees violate Mans Free Will? Matt Slick vs. Skylar Fiction

"The politics why would you deport assist with all right. We are live apologize. Live here survey nights to answer your politics questions but not tonight tonight. We have a formal debate every once in a while we get a debate going and therefore we don't to open up the questions Sion's however if you are watching whether on facebook or twitter or youtube you can put your questions. I will try to watch them in the feed need. We're trying to put them up on folks can see so. We're going to be able to basically see some of the questions we'll see if we have time at the end end to interact with any of those so Just some housekeeping before we get started Just want to let folks know We are this. This is a live. It's part of the Christian podcast community Twenty one plus podcasts. Out there we do have a contest going so if you go to billy dot com slash. 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Dealing with bench appears interview of Gloria Aldridge dealing with feminism marriage bridge and abortion It was a very enlightening Discussion that they had and we would. We basically commented on that so With that way we're going to do this tonight. the basically. The debate that we're going to be having is a formal debate eight so with that said you're not going to You're not going to be where they're just having a discussion topic. Nick is do. God's decrees violate man's free will okay and the way we're going to do this. Debate is Scholars going to start off with a ten minute opening. Then Matt's a ten minute opening Schuyler is GonNa do the first of fifteen minute rebuttals than Matt. Then we're going to have to cross examinations. That'll be twenty minutes. Each each person will be given one minute to ask a question the other personal of two minutes to answer and then closing ten minutes each of Schuyler then met so that is the format before get started. I'm GONNA I bring in both of our both the debaters here and let us start with you matter if you want to go and introduce anything that would introduce yourself and then after or actually I should start with Schuyler. Since he's speaking I that is true. He so Scarlett. Go for anything that you want to do. I know you gotTa Youtube Channel or anything that you want to promote her introduce yourself go for okay. Everybody I'm scholar fiction. I'm super excited to be here tonight. I have a youtube channel called scholar fiction. Show if you type scholar fiction with an ar you will certainly find. Find it out there. I host discussions debates with theorists We do Biblical commentary I gotta go his name. Dr Josh Bowen who runs the Digital Hammurabi He's a biblical scholar. He goes to show with me and is my partner in crime and of course all hill rapid. Jesus so thank you for being on your snack. I really appreciate the opportunity. Merry Christmas happy the New Year to all my friends out there. Matt you want to introduce yourself. Yeah I met slick the founder Director of Karm Dot Org Christian apologetic I research ministry but doing it. For Twenty Four Years Christian apologist fulltime and Websites had over one hundred million visitors Karm Dot Org crm dot org going. Get this radio five days a week Monday through Friday for fifteen years today. Today's the fifteen year anniversary and Praise God for that. So hopefully we'll have an interesting discussion tonight. we'll see how it goes all right and so folks what's going to happen is when they get down to about a minute. You're going to see that clock pop in I. May I probably won't leave it up the whole time But just so you guys know that will give give the idea. So we don't have a or anything like that I think these guys boasts have been doing enough debates. They'll stay to time so Schuyler you're GONNA you're gonna a start you ready. I'm ready when you are you. All right let me get a clock going here all right so all right. I got to go all right. Hold on one SEC clutch. Not a UH starting. Oh it's the wrong clock that's why held on to do all right so Let me say that. I am super cited excited to have this debate tonight because this is a topic that I've talked with Calvin EST quite a bit with on my channel talked a little a bit with about With a little bit about it with Matt Slick in our last two debates wasn't of course the specific topic we were discussing. But it's been a struggle for me to get a calvin EST to actually articulate how people have free will with the concept of like Gods decreed if well so one of the things. I think what we could start with is and by the way everything that I am going to go over. And all the information that I'm going to give you definitions. Wise is all come from dot org these are all match slicks definitions. I didn't get them from anywhere else. I didn't go to other calvinism. I literally took everything off his website. So all of my arguments will. We'll be focused around those particular definitions. So let's talk a little bit about what What about God's decrease and perhaps I'll just go right into quoting his website so the decrees gob are his eternal purpose according to where he has four ordained whatever will come? I'm to pass now. What does it mean to foreordained something on on metrics website and says it is the same as predestination which means that God ordains what what will happen in history and in celebration so I think it's It's very important. Start there so keep in mind that anything anything that happens throughout history. I don't I'm getting a lot of feedback. I don't know if maybe some meter might keep hearing feedback from somebody other But anyway it doesn't matter the thing is is there there is anything that's ever happened throughout history is preordained by God. Don't no matter how awful how good the fact Saddam having this conversation right now preordained by God and just let's again. What is pure pure definition? This is the same as predestination which means that God Edward Gains. What will ever will happen in history or salvation? Now last conversation I had with Matt. I gave some very explicit Questions I said. Hey you know when children are molested is that ordained by God if God decrees childhood molested let me say that Will it happen happen. And he said yes but this is the only thing. It's any type of terrible awful thing that's ever GonNa Happen. Nine eleven you name it you you can fill in the blank. Whatever whatever awful thing you can think about within human existence that's all preordained by God because of his wills now now how is it if Yod but we think about it? Let's use an analogy either. God like a architect or computer programmer. All right God rights out the blueprint or programs to code now. People can't go against God's will because he's already preordained. It I mean you could use particular scriptures like and he quotes. He's on his website. So let's do you Fijian's one eleven. All things are done. According to God's plan in decision and God chose to use it to be has got show has to be his own people in Union with Christ before because of his own purpose based on what he's decided from the very beginning so all the things that I had mentioned nine eleven and you know this is all because this is what God wanted. Everything's exactly what God wanted. In fact let's look at a couple other definitions here sort of I want to get into Oh here let's do the decree if wolf got the decreed affoil of God is that which God's sovereign will that we may or you may not know depending on the weather or not God reveals to us the decreed if wheel God's direct will he causes something to be so God causes in these things to be not only does he 'cause it you actually planet so I mean well that makes sense if you were to plan out. It's all opinion existence if you would actually plan out all of human existence. Obviously and people can't go against his will. It's going to happen exactly the way. God's plan because you know God is sovereign and what does it. What does it mean for God to be salver? According to Matt Slick sovereign is sovereignty. Is the the right of God to do as he wishes. This implies that there are no external influenced our influences upon him and that also he has has the ability to exercise its power control according to spill so everything is according to sell now thinking about it this way. If if God wrote the blueprint and everything's everything's GonNa go along his blueprint. How could it be possible that people could have free? Free will defined by mets liberals website is the freedom of self-determination. People don't have self determination under calvinism. It's already predetermined on predestination. It's the ability to make choices choices free if it is consistent with a person's desires in nature real. Actually it's right there So how can someone freely choose to do something if God is already preordained it. He wrote the blueprint. Now what you'll oftentimes here from cavernous. Is this idea that somehow people freely choose to sin. Now this is the the aspect I've never actually been able to hear. Calvin EST articulate and this is what I'm going to be looking forums debate and I hope that I'm I've talked to a lot of them. I had like a cabinet last week. And no no one can seem to say how can preplanned something with this decree will. He's got a couple of different wells But how could preordained everything thing and at the same time someone can freely choose to do something at best. What you're going to have is some kind of like allusion of free will where the people boy involved think they're actually committing free choices especially once again because people cannot go against the wheel? God if God decrease something nothing it will happen just like the example that I gave and the question I asked Matt and our last debate if God decrees a child was going to be molested. It is going to get molested now. Calvin will oftentimes argues like indirect decrees and direct degrees right but but the the slight difference is is basically with an indirect decree as stead of just making man X.. Do something which I would argue that. You're not extra thing. That's basically integrate. Degree would just setting up the pieces so something happen so so that's going to be. I think the challenge for doing this debate is how is he going to articulate freedom away from a blueprint or computer computer program. A computer program can't rewrite the program. A loop rid can't rewrite itself. Make sure I got to cover Robert. For degrees of God's sovereignty decree will. Oh Yeah let me let me do this here to This is a really good part so this is a part were we kinda goes from article from car or maybe it was a document Exactly it talks about predestination and election right so what is it. Election election is the sovereign after God where he chooses. People are individuals to carry out his purpose in world. God Direction is not based on the quality and equality in the individual or groups people nor is it based on any foreseen ability in them It's not about what they're gonNA the future. It's not about just who chooses Our Group of people nor is it based on any foreign foreseen ability in them. God is the one who likes people out of his sovereign will whatever he wants for his good pleasure. That's what sovereign means. As I read earlier he won. Who chooses the people people do not elect themselves? Okay so right there well actually let me add this on. This will really kind of nail down here and then I'll wrap it up. You're probably right about ten minutes time here. So this is from. That paper was saying on the bit. You must note the Gods predestines people as an Fijian's eleven one five demonstrate that this is however controversy the nature predestination in the reform. Calvin this camp predestination includes individuals in other words the reformed doctrine destination is the God predestines whom he wants to be saved. And that without predestination none would be saved. The `non-reformed camp stays the God predestined to salvation. But these people freely choose to follow follow God on their own now. What is it? So the people who aren't Calvet's non reform position say that they would freely shoes to follow God. That sort of sounds like free will there. But that's not what Galvin's believe but these people got in other words. In the non-reform perspective God is reacting into the will of the individuals. This is do they. Are they going to accept God. Are they the one who initiates the will that would be that. Using the portrait talked about Free Wheeler God is reacting the will the individuals and the predestination them only because they chose got using their will where by contrast contrast the reform position states that people choose God only because he predestined them. First so certainly in that sense people all don't have free will in the idea of Your election now election Style vacation. So you don't get to their freely be elect you. Don't get the freely freely. Choose God God has to elect you part of these wills. Actually part of these bills funny enough is that he puts everything anything you desire. What's GonNa Happen? All these things are all built in. It's all part blueprints. Exactly what's happening now thank you. I appreciate the opening statement. Give right on time to good job all right so I will bring in all right. I'm looking hold on those open. Where am I where is where is it? It's right over there to the left. You can see that on the left right left. They say it was down to the bottom was windows open to help me bust on Matt like double teaming there it is there it is okay okay you ready. Wow yeah like. I got three large monitors at a budget. That's a windows open. I was taking notes. So all right all right you can hear me okay. All right well first of all. Thanks Schuyler I appreciate your website and using it as a resource that's good and I do appreciate that. You're seeking to try and build a case Ace I will still urge you. I'll say this again that you're welcome to Sit with me sometimes when I explain how these things work together better to take more than just ten minutes in a heated discussion but nevertheless You just go through my notes from what you said. How do people have free will? Along with God's creative will of because God decrees that they have free will and that may sound like a you know verbal juxtaposition here. But it's what it is three will. You didn't didn't defy what. Yeah she did actually did you to my site free well as the freedom of self-determination so that's good That's that's is what it is and in reformed camp camp and I believe the biblical camp. We don't deny free will. We don't say that people are are forced to do anything By God we don't say that he puts their hand on a gun and pull the trigger and says see. This is what You did so. Therefore you're responsible for it and this is a common objection at our minions make and it's a common injection that atheists make atheists in the Armenians frequently arguing the same kind of sense because they're man centered not God centered nevertheless. So you misapplied some stuff. In God's creative will regard causes things to be misapplied the issue go to create a will but misapplied it in the sense that Fail to understand that. There's there's also in the decorative wheelers the permissive will God permits people To be able to do things against his is what we call. The prescriptive will got got says. Don't lie don't cheat. Don't steal permits them to lie cheat and steal. They have their freedom to be able to do this. He's not forcing them to lie to cheat in the steel steel he he does not want them to in the sense of his prescriptive will but in another sense it is within his will to ordain their permission or give them that ability. uh-huh freedom to be able to lie to cheat and steal this has within God's ordination and is is what we say his decrease in that sense to be able to provide the circumstances by which people are freely able to rebel against got A. You may say well. They're not free. If it's decreed need nothing at you have said means that they cannot have freedom if God is decreed something to be if God has decreed a free will choice. It's still free by the very definition of it. Being decreed to be free will so for an example. I can cause you to freely do something now if I can demonstrate that I can cause you to freely do something and still free will be at. You've been caused to do it. Your whole objection fails so let me give illustration of something so Schuyler if I was sitting being in a room with you and we were discussing this and you wear a hat And I wanted you to take your hat off and I didn't tell you that I want you to take your hat off. But that's what I want you to do. I could do a number of things to get you to take your hat off to cause you to take your hat off freely rigs ample I could say what the heck is on top of your hat things not going to sting you you could go thing and look now. There's an example if if I were to say that does it mean then that though. I caused you by my action to do something I wanted you to do. Does it mean you did not have free will in the process. Of course not you freely chose to do what you desire to do in light of the circumstance that I brought into existence and I said this is what I want you to do. I could do all kinds of things. So we'll just call that the take your hat off your head illustration but I could cause you to take your hat off of your head but the causing of it is not forcing you to but it is causative in that the actions that I put in place. We'll bring you to your free. We'll choice to be able to do what I want you to do. Your free will is not not violated. You have free will. I have caused you to do what I want you to do. So you see it is certainly possible to have someone because to freely. Act Your criticism. Is that God if he decrees somebody to do something that means. They're not free to do it. Well first of all you have to understand. There's what's called a direct and the indirect decrees of God the direct decrees of God are the direct causative decrees of God let there be light etc where when God decrees and declare certain things to happen. Because that's what he decides and his by direct action that's what occurs. You can have an indirect decree for example in the garden of Adam and Eve where he allows the enemy the serpent to come in and deceive eve and by that Adam and Eve disobeyed him. It was not God's prescriptive will that they disobey him and that he he prescribes them or moral fidelity to him but it was within his permissive well to allow them the freedom to be able to do that and they certainly freely chose chose to rebel. Now you might come back and say well wait a minute. God put all the pieces in place he did. Undoubtedly it put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They're the tree of life. They're allowed the serpent to come in. He allowed the discussion to occur. Well then God responsible no. He's not responsible for the the moral failure of Adam and eve and the reason he's not responsible for the moral failure of Adam and eve is because they freely chose to rebel. God did not force them. mm-hmm if God had done some chemical thing in their brain that force them to be able to say something and do something then God would have been directly responsible for their rebellion. But that's not the case what we do have their as the scriptures of self teaches that God arranged and allowed allow the circumstances by which adamant he freely chose to rebel against God by definition. It was free if you say again. And just to reiterate he put the pieces in there. They had no choice. Well there's a sense in which they had a choice. There's a sense in which they don't have a choice. If God for Danes whichever's will come to pass. Why is it that is for ordained is it? Because he knows what they're going to freely choose that's one position their minions tend to go with that and I had problems with that. That's another discussion. I would say that whatever is potentially existing God out of an infant number potential possibilities brought into existence. The actuality swells that he chose and actuality includes a free will choices of those individuals so therefore he knows exactly what those free will choices and he caused just so and so to remove the hat by saying what's on top of your head to. That's what God chose to happen. And yet the freedom of the one who removes the. The hat is still in place. Dot Concert do this in creation. He is the sovereign king. He is the one who can work all things. After the counsel of his will as officials went on eleven says now there you said the reformed doctrine predestination God predestines. Those whom he wants to be saved aft without this none will be saved. That's correct Jesus says in John Six sixty five you cannot come to me. Let's have been granted to you from the father. That's what Jesus says if you don't like what Jesus says you don't like that doctrine well then you could just take it up with Jesus but that's it. It's not just something that Calvin teaching. It's what the scriptures teach and that's why I hold to what we call calvinism because it agrees with the scriptures and that's the only reason so people who are not Calvin say that people can freely choose to follow. Follow God all right. Well that's rather a humanistic idea in that. They think that man is somehow free in and of himself in in an independent fashion from God's sovereignty and control in spite of features one eleven which says God works all things after the counsel of his will. Even the free will choice at their minions Indians like to argue on the same side as atheists about this issue against the calvinism in God's sovereignty. They certainly can argue but they have to argue against the scriptures pictures and with the scriptures. Now if you want to have it on many discussion as you brought up we can discuss that. I could discuss. Why their failure to understand the biblical position is apparent? And and I have a I would invite a are managed to commit to discuss this with me. We go through the scriptures but you don't affirm scripture Schuyler so I have to use logic and scripture as well so nevertheless. I don't know how much time we've got left but I would say this that I have demonstrated logically. Thank minute left. That God certainly can bring about whatever he desires and still maintain the freedom and the free will of those individuals who are made in his image. Just as I can cause you to take off your hat in any number of ways Schuyler by saying there's a Scorpion spider a Bug Doug whatever it is on your hat and you take your hat off and I can cause you to do that and yet your free will is not violated and God who is a sovereign above of all. Things can certainly bring about circumstances by which free will individuals will certainly do whatever God decides and wants wants them to do and to call it. A computer program is a misrepresentation of the issue to call it. A blueprint is a misrepresentation of the issue. God allows us our freedom but he's above our freedom on nonetheless and is proverbs one. twenty-one says God moves the heart of the king where he wishes it to go. God is a sovereign this. This is consistent with Christian theology and the nature of God himself man. All right. That's time right so bring Gather in and we're going to have fifteen minutes for rebuttal. Let me just reset our o'clock here. Are you ready Schuyler ready. I don't know if you've made it yourself. Hold on sorry about that. Yeah Yeah yeah good. You're talking for ten minutes on your rebuttal known. Here's now that would be good. All right. You got the floor all right man. All right so I guess now so far. I haven't actually heard that mechanism yet. out people have free will and God can preordained. Everything right. Just simply saying Let me see God odd decrease they have free will doesn't mean anything because it contradicts. What's actually happening? Let's let's once again. Look at what it means. When God predestined things predestination is the doctrine that God has for four ordained? All things that which will come to pass that what does it mean to. Fourteen is the same as predestination which means that God who is Ordain what will happen in history history. It's a key and salvation. He's written like blueprint. I don't know why said it's not a good analogy jeep. But it's exactly what it is. You can say written a book. You could use a computer program but everything is pre ordained by God. Everything that has happened is exactly clear the way it is supposed to happen. It's not a matter of like him allowing things to happen. They're going to happen because he he he used just will to make it come and his will must His sorry he what he decrees. This must happen. People cannot go against his decrease as I said before like in the last debate when I asked Matt if God decrees is the Child Get molested that child is going to get an unlisted. It cannot go another way so what I haven't heard at all during this is it's how besides you're saying people God decrees. They have free will. which doesn't it's meaningless because they don't have a way to go against it? If you don't have a way go against free will to make another choice. The only thing you have is the illusion that you're actually choice in the situation because once again what what is free will will the freedom ourselves of self-determination. You don't have self determination. Things are determined by God as I read earlier. in Let's see here other pays up here. inefficient want eleven as he quoted. All things are done. According to God's plan and decision a and God shows us to be his own people in crisis because of his own purposes based on what is decided from the very beginning. He's already decided all this now. If you're arguing that people can go against his. Will you have an argument. But that's not what you're saying you're saying the will has to be followed and according to your website that's exactly what you're saying So I'm having difficulties. China like this is the same thing I run into all the time when I talked to cowboys. Nobody seems to be able ticky late. This is different. I will say that you've given a different answer but I think it's less satisfactory than the answers that I get. Most People Calvin will just point the Romans nine and say hey you know who who were you the clay to tell the powder basically how to what to do with it and once again like we talked about free will listen. Yeah of course minneap leaving your religion. I'm a raptor bait all refugees but the thing is it can still show. How what you're saying you're saying that the difference between Armenian and a cabinet is that people freely? I choose to accept Jesus and that they on their own volition can make that choice under calvinism. They can't make that choice. You're the only way that they can come to God. If God offers grace and isn't based on anything it's up based on you're going to act or anything that they've done it's just predetermined before they're even board right. Of course. God knows what's going to happen the future because he he wrote out exactly what was going to happen in the future. Let's talk about the hat right. If God preordained. That my hat is GonNa come off my head. It's GONNA come off my head under your belief system. It doesn't matter the methodology. How you choose to do it right? The point is is. He's the ultimate 'cause he's the one who caused it to come off my head and there's no way I could have kept it on their doesn't matter interest whether you like you're trying to take it off you lying to me and pretending there's a bug on top of it. Whatever you said there which we would lie of course but ah the point is is that he preordained? The hat will come off and there's nothing I can do to stop it. You'll now I I really. I'm not I'm looking for the mechanism here and just telling me that. Somehow that God would decrease free will but then free will's not actually happening. It's confusing and it's frankly I don't think satisfactory answer by any means so now you said something nothing. I'll be interested later on when we get to the back and forth about in one sense they have a choice in one sense. They don't so I'll be instance. I'm interested to see what the choice in. What sense since they have a choice of? What's the sense they don't? I'm GonNA imagine the sense. They don't have is they can't go against the will of got what else I got here to Freely choose to do something. Oh I was Gonna hit on your permissive will. Let's go and I had the pull up these. That was something I did not have for your her. The permissive will God. Is that which God does not decree to occur nor is it his will since it is not in accordance with his law gods permissive will is his will to permit Sinn to occur. Now this is once again a contradiction. How are you going to say? The God permits something to happen but got plants it out because as you websites at once again eight he is planned out all of human history. Everything that has ever happened is because this is exactly either way that God wanted it. So how is how can one permit something to happen. Well I mean I guess in the sense you could write out the plan. Ryan the the blueprint or the computer program. Whatever's going on here? He could ride out and then he can sit back and let us plan through like in that sense he could permit it to happen but in the context and what we would use like I permit it my child the play video games or I permitted my dog to go outside. We wouldn't use permit in within that kind of context here so I I. It doesn't really saying that he permits was permissive. Will I I really. I actually think this is a direct contradiction interdiction Frankly I mean. That's not the top of the debate. I'd love to debate that another time but it's it's frankly just. It is a contradiction. Let's go back. Let me just make sure I haven't don't miss anything here I mean the one more second. Let me just make sure I got everything that I wanNA see. Here for instance if people could do otherwise. Then in God's plan would be contingent on MANCON decisions and mankind would have to get some kind of glory for God's plan in succeeding God would be depending on mankind. So it's obviously not to their decision. This is. This is God's plan here so the God's plan would be contingent if it was up to to them it would be contingent on them and obviously under your theology. I don't believe that. What else do I wanna hit here just to go over some of these terms once again just so? It's very very clear for the audience. What is the decrease of will three or four guys that which is God's sovereign will that we may or may not know depending on the on whether or not God reveals it to us? God secretes will is his direct will where he causes something to be. He is causing everything thing to be. He is the ultimate cause. He's the one planned it out once again. What does it mean to be? Sovereign softeners the right of God to do as he wishes that implies that there is no external influence influence humans are influencing. There are no external influences on him. This is all part of God's plan The decrees of God. Our eternal purpose. Everything that what is happening throughout history is his eternal purpose according to his will whereby a he four or deigned whatever will come to pass for deigned gene which means that God ordains what will happen in history and in salvation not your salvation in history. The Holocaust nine eleven whatever whatever think about whatever awful things he planned it out for his glory and then he holds people responsible for the way they can't go against so I would just say that these are some things we really think about. It wants to what is free. Well free wills. The freedom of self-determination human beings don't have self determination and and actions independent of external causes. Well how are your actions. Independent of external causes. If God's decree was was for you to do action ex. How could how could anything? Human beings do be independent of external causes. If from the very beginning God has planned out everything now. The reason God knows what's going to happen and it's because he wrote the plan so I think that there are quite wait a bit of problems when we get into this idea of free will and predestination election and capitalism that I think biblically. I think that it's more consistent the Calvin theology than I think some many physicians are. But it's a whole whole separate topic. I guess what else do I want to go here. Don't talk about sin. Let's talk about what sin is sin in his that that is contrary to law or will got okay so if sin is that what is concert contrary to the will of God how is gone causing as we see with the decrease will says God caused how is it that God is able to cause people to sin. Now when that's website to be fair. He says that basically ad within these contexts. He'll be well. It doesn't mean that is causing the sin but how could you say that. He's not causing people to sin when he predestined everything. That was going to happen in history from the very beginning. It's another contradiction so I think we could wrap. It all concede the rest of my time. We'll get to like the last four minutes. I think I've said everything I want to say. Thank you I appreciate it. All right bring met in all right. Let me reset the clock here Matt. Okay you ready. Yeah I guess so. Go ahead that could use some ice cream right now. We'll chocolate nice. Oh that's my time is not going Schuyler said that have not revealed a mechanism of how people can have free will in God can ordain everything. Well actually I did I I gave you an illustration that remove your hat illustration that I can I can cause directly caused you to free Lee. Really do something. I can predetermine that. You will freely do something you and I were to ever meet. You probably would make sure your hat was on real touchy. We never remove it in my presence. Who knows but I could certainly cause you to do certain things? They were not met for coffee. Like I did a friend of mine once. Yes I did this I had a ball of. I said what am ice cream. He says yeah. I was GonNa Smash Kitchen Plastic Bowl at vanilla ice cream and I put a white Napkin in it and what I wanted to do was to cause him to react with a mild panic when I dumped it on him and so I came out there and and I was this is my desire for him. And he's a good friend of mine and so what I do is i. I handed to tripped and this bowl of ice cream comes tumbling into his lap. And he literally flinch backwards and try to crawl backwards up in this seat and I'm laughing at. He called a couple of names and stuff like that and we both laughed about it when we were done. I directly caused him to do something I wanted him to do. I didn't make him. I didn't violate his free. Will he freely chose to do what but he did. Just as if I were to say what's on your head. That is really interesting on your hat. You might very well you know. Just take a look at. What is whatever? It's not a problem. Awesome mechanism that God can certainly bring circumstances to bear by which people do those things which God wants them to do freely just as I can cause you to bring your take your hat off the circumstance that there's your mechanism you say no mechanism there. It is and you didn't refute this by saying that. Yes I can certainly bring a circumstances to bear to cause you to do certain things but you're doing it freely. You have not refuted that anyway. So my notes. Ah Yes everything that's supposed to happen will happen. Just as God decides what will happen Yes. That's true just as God as I said in the opening statement can work circumstances by which a person can freely do what God desires to do. Just like I illustrated with you. I did it and Yes if God desire to child get molested lasted will occur. But you see the problem with that kind of a statement is what it is is a half truth kind of statement that has this thing attached. Hashed you're not being very clear and so when we say that that God decrees it. Well what do we mean that he directly causes it by what he wants. I really want that child raped or molested no but in another sense which you win later the indirect decree which God says I'm going to permit to Out People they're sending rebellion to be atheist. agnostics be Muslims to be whatever in their rebellion against the truth of what he has revealed and so it is his desire to do that and his decree is to desire to do that as well but he's not causing them to do it nor does he 'cause people it'd be molested now. Yesterday I did a two days ago. I did a Patriot video on the issue issue of suffering. And I've been thinking about this. Why does God allow so many Christians to the centuries to suffer unspeakable horrors burned alive skin ripped from their flesh ripped and torn apart by animals? Put out on frozen lakes naked to freeze to death and they pray for deliverance and God decides not to will he decides not to and I could give various reasons why that might be the case but it is the will of God that they suffer. Why would it be the will of God that they suffer to glorify his name to receive greater reward in heaven to demonstrate administrate the sacrificial nature of love to emulate the sacrificial nature of the sacrifice of Christ himself as he submitted humbly to others? Your could be a multitude of reasons. My which God allows bad things to happen and by him allowing them doesn't mean that in his prescriptive will he desires evil to occur her but in his permissive will he does and is permissive and his and his prescriptive will both work within the sovereign will of God his sovereign predestination decrease decrease to allow these things to happen by the free will of these people who choose to rebel and act in a manner contrary to what he has revealed revealed he wants for the morally and then you repeated that I did not present the mechanism. Yes I did the removed four-seater move your hat analogy is that and you said that we don't have self determination if God determines it. Well let me ask you if I determined that you do something like remove your hat by saying something and you remove the hat. Does it mean that you did not determine it yourself. Does it mean that. If we say determination the nation is that thing which we want to occur. If I want you to move your hat and you freely do because I say something's honor I pour something on it or I do news something. Whatever you know a whole host of things that could cause you to three really do that? I have determined that you do that. I have in that loose. Worst sense of the Word Ordain Deign that you do it very loose sense. I have free will chosen to have you do sending your free will to do what I want you to do. You've not refuted that. You have not refuted that ability and that reality in that illustration right there if you can refute that then we can move on. But if you can't refute it than the mechanism which you are asking for has been laid out before you in the sense of an illustration I have shown do that. Logic allows someone to cause another person to do something freely without forcing them to do it but yet they're caused to do it. I've demonstrated demonstrated how that's the case. You've not refuted nor have you given me. I'd like to see if you could. I don't believe you can do it right now. And I don't believe it's it's fair for me to ask you to do do it right now because I think these kind of things I'm GonNa ask you about. Take time to think about on your own but I could say to you. Could you please give me premise. One premise is to or premise. Three with conclusion demonstrating the illogic of why decree does not work with our free will. Now I'm not asking to do that right now. I honestly don't believe that's a fair thing for me to do because it takes time to work those things out but if you would be so kind as to do that if you said Yeah. I'm going to try that and I'll email it to you okay. And if you don't want to that's okay as well but I think that what's necessary is that you present some logical problem. Just saying it doesn't work doesn't mean it doesn't work but nothing in God's self-determination determination means that we cannot also be determined. It's nothing God self-determination doesn't mean that we can also accomplish what we desire. Just as I have have shown you repeatedly with the force you to move your hat announce those call it now the hat illustration. I've shown this to you and you've not refuted did you just have continued to say not possible and the reason we calvin is only Or believe what my notre correct here. The reason we calvin believed. I believe that we can choose. God is Oh is because we believe that God first regenerates us a lot of our minions get this wrong and this is just a theological focal point is to say that at God changes US internally. Mix US born again and we freely choose him he can certainly in this logic. Bring anybody to freely choose and trust in him by his regenerative work his genitive gracious work upon their souls else as he causes us to be born again. I Peter one three were born again. Not Grown will. John went thirteen and we are changed setting prince five seventeen made new creatures etc and go through the scriptures on this. But that's mainly for the Armenians they wanted to discuss that with me but the idea here within the biblical perspective and particularly the Calvin one is that regeneration precedes face. The free will ability to choose. God which has enabled by God's freely acting upon us freely changing us and then that changes salts in our free will ability to choose him. Now you may not Understand that don't mean that in a derogatory sense please understand. I'm not saying you don't get that you're stupid. I don't believe believe that but sometimes concept just take a little bit to understand it. I've had debates with people. I don't understand the concept or getting a and ask them to repeat it to me so I don't I don't mean anything condescending coming to you whatsoever in that but if it is confusing me go over it again and again and so let's go to my notes In one sense people have free will to do something and there since they don't is kind of a thing that's not the exact wording go with but I'll use it as a springboard one of the discussions I remember hearing or reading about was the man who nailed a Christ risk to the to the cross. Did he have the free will to say no in one sense yes in one sense no but it has to be yes and the reason it has to be yesterday because he was freely doing it but yet God ordained that he'd do it. Ah God certainly ordained all the circumstances by which he would freely act and that's the thing you gotta understand that God can certainly ordained the circumstances knowing all outcomes and possible outcomes of any individual. I'M NOT GONNA GO MOLIN INSECURE. But he could certainly do that and bring about whatever he desires and he can certainly bring people into a place of having a free will desire an action based on something he knows about them. It's certainly possible. I'm not saying these. All these things are how things are doing. I don't want to get in here and used us. Because that's another discussion. For their time. I have reasons against modernism. But for now I'm GONNA use this illustration here. God can certainly bring certain things about you know. I don't like clowns for example. He does not like cloud scare me. I don't know why I think I got an idea. Why so my friends know this? And if they were to bring a clown in my house I'm GonNa react negatively and they would get a big joke out of it out the back door. I don't like them there's freaky clown movie to watch clown horror this and that and just the way I am now. God knows that can eat caused me to walk left instead of right by bringing a clown down the the street yes is it mean that I have not acted freely. Of course I acted freely. God of Dane that clown who to be where he is that certain place and time of course or a picture of a cloud to move. Yeah there's a thousand ways which God can bring me to walk left rather than right. Maybe he can bring us a moment missionaries to my left. I'M GONNA go that way because I'm GonNa go talk to them you see. There's lots of ways if he would bring Mormon missionaries by on couple of bikes. He knows I'm GonNa go talk to them. Because that's where I'm put together Y- Medicare to cloud that's right for and so you know he going to do that. He could certainly or Dane my turning left by turning rights by saying yes my saying no and the countless number of ways by bringing circumstances to bear in which I will freely act according to his ultimate desire. You've not refuted that and and that certainly is a mechanism by which God can do that. So you've not demonstrated logically that God's decrees means were not free within those decrees as you've just simply stated it. You've implied that we're not free because he decrees. I'm showing you how you can decree and we can be free. You've not shown your case. How much time do we have left? Just incidentally I don't know how much time two minutes all K- and so well let's see looking through some of my notes A. You may not like the idea of the He asked how could any human being do. He's as how could anything anything. Human beings do be independent of external causes. If from the very beginning God plan out everything That was an interesting statement. And I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt Schuyler cuyler in that. I don't believe you word it properly and when we're talking we don't often don't say things perfectly but that statement doesn't make any sense Because we never we as Christians do not say that he beings can act independently of external causes Because all things that we choose are dependent some way to some effect on the external cause for one thing God brought us into existence were not Eternally independent of him so there are Eternal external causes by the very nature of God's decrease decrease as redeeming us is creating etc.. It's a poor choice of words but I'm not GonNa Harp on you and that I think you could do it better as I said. Had you know we we often will say things that we going to rephrase that and that's okay And oh by the way to predestined. Everything doesn't mean he Directly Causes Everything to predestine people to do. Something bad doesn't mean he's causing them to do something bad. This is something you have to understand and You have you made the the mistake of thinking that predestination means in every case direct causation. And no it doesn't and I can give you versus that. Show the revelation of God where people are predestined By God yet they're responsible export twenty seven respectively with extra twenty three. I guess my time's up are you. I'm good that's all right. Okay all right. We'll reset the clock clock to twenty minutes for the rebuttals section. And just just give me one second to get the clock set right so I'm going to put myself out. I'll come in when it gets close to the twenty minutes Schuyler. You have twenty minutes Again this is You will get one minute to ask a question Mac. It's two minutes to answer if you feel Matt Does Not Answer Just wanting to know we re we stopped the clock and we give you a chance to ask the question all right so your your time starts snail. You're muted reset the clock. Sorry about that I keep thinking next. No worry about that because I just put you in the in the timeout. So okay perfect you call the time out. I did reset the clock. Oh thank you okay. Is there anything decreed by God. That won't happen. No does God as as in predestination it's actually Sorry for ordained it's as is the same as predestination which means that God ordains. What will happen in history and in celebration is everything that has happened throughout all of human human history preordained by God yes can anybody go? Against God's will which kind of will educate yet you got your questions okay. I can't answer the question properly. Unless you define find your terms more precisely any will it will go against any will of God's can it go against this prescriptive will yes so anyway. That was my question gets any will. Yes okay which will can they go against the prescriptive will of God was the was. The prescriptive wills the setup I recall election. So can you explain how can oh actually let me ask you. This question is human desire to create by God. So what I desire is that part of the predestination what is ordained gained so the desire to stay in is preordained by God in the broad sense of God allowing both direct and the indirect causation of those things. Yes so God we've already we've already said God already plans out everything throughout history. Everything's exactly the way it's supposed to happen. According to his will your desire to do something like on desiring to hold my phone right now that desire to hold my phone is because because of God's will correct in the broad sense yes into broad but okay can i. Is there a possibility that I won't hold this phone right now. Yes yes how can I if it is ordained and I can't against God's will how is it possible if it's the will of God for me to hold this phone right now. And how could I go against his will. It would be impossible if God ordained at you go against his will but that would be going with his will would be to have me hold the phone. It wouldn't be me going against his will is will would be me for me to hold the phone. Isn't that correct. Well if God has the prescriptive will in a moral sense then he can certainly allow you to act in a manner consistent with your own immorality and and work against God if God desires that you hold the phone and he what he'll do when he desires that you don't hold the phone. He will arrange us. You don't all the phone but he will do all of those according to the freedom that you desire you want in your rebellion against him and that China demonstrator. Sovereignty isn't true is my desire to sin part of God's plan. Yes it's part of God's plan is Sir can I go against God's plan yes and no depending how we define our terms as I said what what your problem is. You're not being specific being general and far too general. And you're trying to imply certain things without specificity. So you need need to be more specific you just say is creative will. His direct will is indirect. Well prescriptive well because this is where the the issues need to be discussed. Which is wider past past discussions? I've brought these up and our discussion here tonight. I brought up. You have Understood to some degree some of them having to find them and and now what you're doing is abandoning them. And you need to use them. What will is what what will is Falls under predestination. Not sure I understand. The question in different wills right yet permissive will create a will right right when God. What if God predetermines that? I'm going to sin predestines. Easy plans it out from the very beginning. What will is that falling under? When God preterm predetermines at you sin what he's doing in what you're talking about what he's doing is pretty determining that you have the freedom within his sovereign decrees agrees you have that freedom to rebel against him? That's what that means by that. So you can like you to answer the question. I know my question was one will win God decrees than ongoing to sing and I'm going to act against him. What will would that fall under? That would be. His pre permissive will. So isn't the permissible that allows me to send but what I was saying that he directly He wrote that I would send so he actually preordained. That I would sin. Okay now. That's an extra what you're doing is you're kind of adding adding something here. You're saying well also your freely sitting but I'm trying to stay this how I can freely do something. How can I freely do you something if I can't go against his okay? We're having a problem here in the problem. Is that what you're doing is you're conflating. Predestination assignation decree free will permissive. Wilda creative will answer my question. You're not answering my questions are I'm trying to get get you to ask a question. That is answerable well. You can try. But that's not the point of what you're doing here my year here answer my questions point. It's like I'll be there to answer your questions in just moments now. I think you're very much aware now. Is the decrease. Will that causes everything to be what will is under predestination. Secretive woke wrecked their different senses. In which we can say decreed of will and predestined well. So I'm not able to answer your question. Okay I'll leave that if the audience with my hat analogy in your scenario would I had the ability to keep my head on if I wanted to keep the hat on if if God had decreed that my hat would come off. Is there any way that I could keep that on. Except for God's green that I would keep my head on if God decreed you keep the hat it on and you would freely keep it on because decreed freely keep it on. Well I mean adding the word freely to it doesn't actually mean anything I mean does all. This isn't for you to ask you. I'm saying I want to say here. Feel free to say as much as you want to say when you're asking me questions here so saying something like I have freedoms but you're not actually articulate with the freedom is because the problem with what you're arguing is that people can't go against God's will they can't go against God will what God has already destined will happen. You've already admitted to that. So I'm asking how I could if it's predestined. If it's God's will and I can read I could read what predestine means once again. Predestination is the doctrine that God is four eight. Ford Ford ordained is the same as predestination which means God ordained what will happen in history and salvation people cannot go against his his predestination. Sure so when if God were Danes that my hat will come off. How can I my hat off? Keep my hat on. I'm sorry unless God says the only thing you could say is that unless you've got tells me I can get my hat off. I keep my head on so I'm trying to understand what is the. What is the mechanism which I could go against got well? I'm not sure understand your question. It was a long question. What is the mechanism in in which I could go against? God's will to take my hat off if you will by God that my hat will be removed. What is the mechanism in which besides just saying that well the mechanism would be got allowing you to take it off because he's not allowing the the what he's predestined? Is that my handle the walk. What is the mechanism in which I could keep my head on if I will? You cannot go. Against God's will if he has decreed that you take your hat off exactly so I don't have free will in that situation allowed to respond to that statement. Actually I just wanted to. I mean sure articulate how I have free will and that situation free will is the ability to to make choices that are not coerced so you have not established how God is coercing you to do anything. Okay that's good. Well I'm forced I can't go against God's will so how do I have the choice to do something if I can't go against God's will I n being coerced I am. Hey I am a following exactly literally everything doing every word that I'm saying is exactly as God is planned it out and exactly what he's wanted me for his pleasure. So I'm asking you how I could go against you. You're actually answer questions that I can't go against as well so I'm trying to figure out how I have free will if I get go against his will well. You don't want me to explain the problem you have. You only want me to answer questions in a certain form form so if you give you the freedom to explain it as I did before we could go over it again. It's up to you. I just like the know how I ah have free will. If I can't go against his will not allowed to ask questions so I can't answer that question. That's my question. How can I have free will if I which and you define on free will again for everybody free will this is your? This is your website. This is your definition freedom. Afrita free will is the freedom of self determination and action independent of external causes. God is the external cause of me taking off my hat. If I've got decrease it God is the ultimate cause of everything he wrote out everything. So how is it that I have self determination Shen and acts and actions independent of external causes. If I can't go against his will I'm not sure which will you're talking about censor- to decrease prescriptive and permissive. So I'm not sure how to respond to your question. I'm not talking about the permissive. Will I'm talking about the will like I said you said leave it was the decrease will is what you said in which everything is preordained. Actually me just look real quick. The degree of wheel is that which God's sovereign will that we may or may not know depending on whether or not God reveals to us. The decrease will is God's direct will where he causes. There's something to happen. Is it the decreased. Actually you answered you told me that it was decreed that causes everything to happen. So I'm talking about the decree of well. Okay so decorative will how is it that you can have self determination. If he has his decorative will yes because part of his decreased creative will is as sovereign is a sovereignty. Samiti is right to do what he wishes. And what is preordained. So what I'm asking is. How so if I can't go against his defeat of which is to take off my hat? How can I keep my head on? If he's preordained that I will take get all the decrease of will example that I gave you were such things as got signature be light and a and he directly causes a direct action by his will. So when you say taking off your hat this is an issue of your free. Well I believe that you are misapplying. The issue is decreasing will to something else and making an error in so dealing when in God says don't murder is that as prescriptive will a is prescriptive. Well it's called a prescriptive. It released posted. That may have missed type that some place but his his prescription don't lie don't murder etc so his prescription okay to see him Would there be sin in the world. World had not would there be sin in the world if God had not planned out the world exactly as he had planned it out now or not so God is the author of Sin. Nope how is God. If God planned everything out. How did he not planned out? That people would send how did he not create sin. If sin is that what we don't get definition but if God preordained preordained that people would sin and he actually created these sinful mechanisms like child molestation rape genocide. How is he not responsible for it? If people who commit genocide rape children things like that can't go against his will if he's already can't go against what he's preordained. Dan Let me put it that way if God is preordained what she has everything. That's happened throughout history. God His preordained. That people will less children commit the genocide. How how is it that people can go against what he ordains or can they go against what he preordained? You kind kind of switch back and forth between terms demonstrating that you are not using them properly and in so doing your failing to understand the argument and what you I know. You're talking about me and what I'm using what I WANNA. I'll repeat the question for you if God if God has foreordained everything and I'm GonNa read the definition Ford Dan again once again. This is the same as predestination which means that God is doing what will happen in history and in Salvation Ovation can human beings get can any human being do otherwise than what God has preordained. No I've already answered op Ed. So exactly so God is so people can't go against God's preordained what is preordained is that which has happened throughout history so people we're only doing what is ordained them to do. Is that correct in one sense. Yes us another sense. No can you explain in one sense how it is what they're doing in the other sense place depends on what you mean by priore donation and I'll give you the definition once again. I read it. That's why I gave it in the same as predestination which means that God ordained what will happen in history and in salvation allegation so whatever happens in human history is preordained by God. That's the sense in which I mean. It is planned out pleased doc so as I was about to say before I was interrupted yet again was that in God's for ordination there are direct causation nations and indirect cause Asians and so we can have the indirect causation. Within God's permissive will so when we say that God ordains whichever's will come to the pass officials went eleven. It does not mean that he causes people to sin but that the ordination that he has and he has allowed allows people in the freedom of they're will to rebel against him. That's the whole thing and you keep misrepresenting that when you're questioning okay. So God has three or Danes. All that's happening he preordained. People would send. I'm still trying to figure out how if people oh can't go against what God is preordained. If what people do is preordained got it's written by God. I'm still trying to figure out how. Oh there is some type of way that they could do some difference and your definition of free will is the freedom to self determination and actions independent of extra causes well or would you disagree. That God's wills are a our external causes God's wills are external causes uh-huh re word it is God's This teach things that are Four Day by God. Those are trying to say this. Those are those are external causes is for like if you foreordained something he ford in. Hold everything that was going to happen. Look the reason people are doing is because God caused it. Is that correct in one sense. Yes percents no. There's direct and indirect causes so all you mean when you say indirect indirect causes just one which I don't even know how you can make honestly distinction. I'm here to be frank. Because he wrote out exactly what was going to happen like a book. Or blueprint all. You're talking about indirect. Direct is just nothing. It's GonNa happen either way. Exactly how he does. It is is actually somewhat irrelevant. Because what we're talking about is in the end matter. What the methodology is? People can't go with what he's already four date he's written exactly what's going to happen within human history so I I find it difficult to try to understand how you're Y you're even making this. Because it really doesn't matter the methodology whether he's personally causing it or sets up the pieces I mean weather. He makes a person molested child or he sets up the environment to where we'll get molested. I I think in the end. It doesn't really make much of a difference now doesn't that's a question along question is what wasn't all question. Question was some somewhat of a statement the beginning but the end of it was my question. rephrase the question. Please absolutely it. Doesn't it really make a difference whether he directly causes something or indirectly causes something if the outcome is exactly the way that he wanted to happen in the end whether he indirectly causes something here are directly causes it. The people involved can't go against or he's preordained. So really we just telling me that. Hey it's indirect or direct decrees isn't really it's not dealing with the issue and that's what I'm trying to. I just comment on that. If you'd like I've already gone over. That wasn't a question so okay I'd like you to answer my question. It wasn't a question you made a statement. He said it doesn't make any difference if the cause of his people against it. Does it make a difference. There's what make a difference whether you if the outcome is going to be the same. Does it talking about the difference between direct and indirect decrees doesn't really make a difference if the outcome is the same. Because you're all you're doing is talking about methodology actually. Don't even worry about question. I'll talk for nineteen seconds. All you're saying is about methodology. Right right you're not actually dealing with the idea that people can't go against what God priore dates all you're talking about is how God gets it done and how God gets down as irrelevant relevant to the actually okay. Did you WANNA ask the one linebacker. Oh okay all right. I met your turn whenever you're ready. That's C Are you able to lay out a premise and premise logically on why God's decrees at work within the permissive will of God awed means. You can't really choose to do something within the minute or two. I have the answer no I would. It would take me some time to be able to lay out that I think human through her to. Would you be willing to do that and email it to me. Sure do that absolutely good. Could you do it by the say next week. Friday next week from tomorrow I can try. I'm starting a new job this week but I'll definitely put attempting to put them in premises. I just got a lot of things going on on to be honest with okay. So Do you understand Dan. D- could you please explain the difference between direct and indirect cause. Yeah so this is actually more. I tried to look it up on your website. I say. Find the places that indirect indirect. I've found the direct calls but direct would be as you put on your website that which God sovereign will May or may not be known bidding on whether God reveals a degree will is God's direct will where he calls is something to be decrease it for example Goddess Caused University Exist El L.. As well as Christ's incarnation indirect degree would be basically sets up the pieces to wear something will happen. He sets the environment up to where particular her will will will come to fruition. That's my understanding of it in the indirect decree of God. Are People still responsible for what they do you. I don't believe in Calvinism. So are you asking me on your position. Like what do I do. You guys believe that we're going with what has been stated so far two definitions conditions you're giving in God's indirect decree or you can bring things about by using circumstances and various things is he causing people to send his indirect means. I don't have a definition of indirect up here or at least I didn't find it. I will say that I would say that you would say no. That's what you've told me before I didn't ask you to say what I said. I asked you to say what you know. What the the issue on your physician? Now you are arguing against my position. I ask you a question about logic and ask you to to demonstrate straight something so you didn't answer the question as I say the question of can you explain. Okay can in in the indirect costs which means that God is not directly causing something but allowing people to freely act in that Free Act and they sin is at God's fault or their own. My opinion is it's all so you're saying I think it's God's fault when people freely choose to do what they want to do. I don't believe they freely choose to do what they're doing according to your definitions you say the God preordained. Everybody to do what they're gonNA do. They don't have a choice and my definition. I said that they do freely do this. I said this specifically I said God indirectly brings about their free will choices stated this before God brings about circumstances they freely do something I said they freely do something is God. Dan Responsible for their sin in their free will. In my opinion yes but under European you know I asked You Is is not an opinion. Just show me the logic of how it is such that a that God who are Dane's at someone freely does something by definition means. It's their own. Well that they're choosing. It means that God. Can you explain how that's possible. What I'm saying is what's being ridiculous? They aren't freely doing it. That's what I'm saying. You could ask them by you could say they are. But that's not what's actually happening. Well that's what you're asserting but this is what the debate is about. And I've already shown you as an example of the hat analogy that I can cause you can directly cause you to do something freely so let me ask you if we were sitting in the same room and you were unaware of this line of reasoning about your hat and I said. Hey what's it on top of your hat. What and you took your head off to look at it? Have I forced you against your will to do anything in that. Specific scenario area where human being is tricking me to take my hat. No but this is different than go dancers. No so have I violated your free will know because but you're not God and that's not the answer is no no. I'm just I'm just giving libration the answer when I try elaborate. Great you cut me off the man here. So in other words you're saying that I can as illustration cause you to really do something now if I caused you to free your hat. WHO's the one responsible for removing the hat? You or me. Sure a human scenario that you're giving it would be it would be you know you are the cost to some degree. Actually he would be the cause because you basically tricked me into removing my hat now on my own situation the nation. I removed the hat. But but this is a human snare mystery clear so you admit of your own free will so admit area. Yeah you're admitting that I can cause you too freely. ACT human scenario. Oh Yeah and since we're humans and God Jesus also human in his sovereignty and the human thing of God and his knowledge he can certainly work circumstances and caused you to do something. So let's say that you didn't know that it was Jesus according to Christian theology that Jesus himself is the one sitting across from you. You don't know that I don't know if you're listening to to me or not. And if Jesus were sitting director mistaken nukes and if Jesus were a sitting directly across from Uni said less on your hat and he's got in flesh. Who are Dan? What Chevy will come to pass? If he were to have done that. Would you have freely removed your hat. No because he decreed that I remove my hat if he was Jesus so in the exact same circumstance circumstance when the exact same sentence is offered. If Jesus does it you don't have free will but if I do it you have free will. Would you like to know what please yes I would like to know why because with human beings we have free will towards each other. Under God's theology is I've read read your website we don't have free will so whatever whatever decrease s not I did not say we don't have free will on my website. Never say that on free. Well you said on my website. I said we'll have free will. That's not that's not that I misspoke. No you did pitcher so in other words if I say to you what's on top of your hat your move your hat. That's your free will if Jesus sitting there and he says Western top of your head right and you remove it. That's not free. Well that's what you're saying is that it'd be talking with Jesus Smoke. Well yes because Jesus would be decreeing that I would take off my hat. I could not go against got Jesus decrees could find clear that I would be up. Yeah and that's what does it mean That would fall under. What would fall under? Let me say like this would fall under four or gaining something. If God the Jason or Dana I was going to take my hat off I. I don't know exactly. What will it would fall under four ordains that I would take my hat off? There's no way I could not take my my hat. I mean I mean. There's no way I'm sorry. So as I explained before the decree of will of God is such things as let there be light the direct causation. Causation of of God. If Jesus were sitting in front of you and said what's that on top of your hat. Is that a direct decree if you asked me. What is that a dirt? No he just asked me what I wanted. I and so it's not a direct decrease so you should not say that it's a direct. Doc Decree is an indirect decree if he asks you. What's on top of your head while it's not a degree always asking me a question very good so it's not a a decree? It's a question so if he's asking you a question. Is He forcing you to do anything by asking you a question. So it's not a decree I mean if you're just asking if someone one assets if someone had a degree but I think this so you said it's not a decree if he were to ask you a question and yet he ask the question and because of it you take off your hat but yet you said it's not a decree so therefore without God's decree have you been by His will cause to really take your hat off in the realm of is. We're not talking about decrease right now. You're just talking about a hypothetical where Jesus tells me take off my hat. This has nothing to do with our actual topic in. I just disagree. Hold on what's your questions. I'm asking the questions. You already stated that the question is not a direct or indirect decree. You've also stated that if I were to ask you the exact same question your free will is not violated and you have have been implying that since it's the by God's decree that violates our free will since he further said that it's not a decree to ask you the question and you really do it then logically. You're the one supporting my case by saying such a question which would bring you to the place of taking off. Your hat is not by the direct or indirect decree of God but is in fact. Your own free will yet. God has required required it of you at the same time by your admission of these things you have inadvertently supported my position. If you want to refute this. I'm going to ask you right now. Please refute it from what you've already said that it's not a decree of God if a question asked and you take your hat off where when I ask it. It's your free will but I've got Jesus asks you suddenly not your free will explain how that will work or sure. Yeah so when. We're talking about human beings in analogy God's out the picture we're not talking about some kind of ultimate purpose that's planned out There's no kind of predestination none of oh that's included when we're talking about human beings tricking somebody into taking off a hat. Now if you if we're talking about God getting me take off the hat he's preordained that I'll take off the the hat and I can't go against God priore dates because he already planned it out from the beginning and you've admit to that earlier that I can't go against what God house or preordained Because that's exactly what's going to happen step by step. So that's why I would say these analogies that we are making it doesn't connect because it's completely different scenarios. There's one of them doesn't involve any type of predestination any type of wills at all talking about human being tricking somebody into talking taking off your hat so you admit then that you took off the hat under my which I was preordained to ask you if I ask you was top of your hat and take off your hat you freely have taken off your hat so subsided by Jesus asks you to take off your hat and you take with an head and you take off your hat. You're the one saying it's not your free will but the situation and the questions are exactly the same since you have already stated it's not by his decree what you've earlier stated i. I remember correctly it is decree is the same as as predestination. And you've hinted this essay misses his four ordination that he's the one who brings all this by his forte nation by his predestination by decree. But you've yourself upset if he were sitting there and asking you it's not a decree therefore it's not predestined in that sense that you're using it. It is it for a day and in that sense. It's just a question. Is that correct. No I think we're maybe I misspoke. Maybe what what I was trying to get across didn't come up as clear what I'm talking about when I was saying Jesus Asking me to take off. My hat is not necessarily a decree. What I'm talking about is the bigger picture is the decree right The the preordained. Something would be that it was preordained that Jesus would What I would not use the word trick game to take my hat off it would be preordained by God and his plan? That Jesus would get me to take my hat off and because has got preordained it therefore I have no option but to take my hat off. That's what I was trying to and I may have misspoke there but this is the big a little clear. That's what I'm saying. And that's the difference between the two scenarios a human being has nothing to do with God one it's preordained. The other were just talking about a hypothetical human beings tricking each other. If a person does something according to his will it is not forced is it a free will action in. What's what kind of scenario we talking within the calvinistic worldview? We're talking about like how I would define free will within like a secular type free free. Well I'm the post to be the one asking the question. I don't understand your question. We haven't got into a secular secular free will view so it's not Germane to the topic here. You're talking about Christian Theology Christian decrees I asked you if a person does something according to his own will it is not forced is it a free will decision. I don't believe so under calvinism. No I don't think you have three well. No no question. The questions are free to answer for different position. It's you've got to answer what Your Business try not to use my position the secular because he said thought he's going to use the calvinistic position now so we're we're arguing with N.. What we have been discussing so your answer is no what you're saying then is you are denying that if a person does something of their own will? That's not forced that same decision. That's what you just said. So is that correct. You're saying it's not free. Will if a person does something according to what he or she desires. That's not forced this force because God as you said earlier causes the desires for people to do those things so they didn't really know but that it is answering the question not desired because God for gain they would desire it. There's nothing free about if desires. They have or have the question Russian and ask the question again if a person does something according to his will. That's not forced his Willard. I said his his will well Schuyler Schuyler if you do something according to your own will. It's not forced is it. A free will decision that you've made without a god. Yes okay so you admit then that free will simply to be able to make a choice. That's not forced by your definition. Free will is the freedom of self-determination actions independent of external causes broke without external causes within your worldview. I'm asking I'm asking you a question. I'm trying to determine what you understand free will to be. You understand. I understand writing. Then what you you say. It's free will to simply bill to make a choice. That's not forced out of your own. Will that free will is using your free will. The free world is the freedom of self-determination in across the nation. He's asking you. You have to give what you believe not all. You're asking my definition if I keep asking asking the same question I think you're stalling so let me ask you this again if they if you Schuyler said you Schuyler number Oh talk with you know if you do something according to your will. That's not forced. Is it free will I. I haven't really. Yeah sure I'll I'll under that definition of free will would be actually. Let me take that out for a second. What I consider it free will I would consider consider free will uncoerced? I would consider free will not adding the ability to do otherwise I have the actual ability to do as I will it's not predetermined from the beginning. I have a choice in the matter. Against God's would consider free so is McKay. Is Your answer to my question if you sky there. Do something according to you. Will that no one's forcing you to do is it. Free will yes or no. Yeah Yeah Yeah well. That's what we agree. We agree that free will is. I agree even as a Calvin Calvin Stephen as a Christian. That is what free will is. I agree with that so now we have the same definition. Can you please explain to me how God God when he allows you Schuyler to rebel against him by your own free will is causing you to rebel Against Him. I think that's what the issue is. I don't agree that you have free will the way you're you're defining it. I'm a stock for second because as you are wrong I just went with what your definition I said. It's the same definition we have and then from that definition. No I said it's the same one. I same so what I was saying to answer the question. I have a minute to answer this. What I'm saying to you is that the way a you were defining free will but the error and where there's a problem is that in my definition of free will I can? I actually have a choice in your definition finished. Free will even though you say that. You have a choice when I'm articulate as you actually don't because God has four ordained but whatever is going to happen it's is GonNa happen so if if God four Danes that I'm GonNa Punch somebody in the face. I don't have a choice on whether I can punch base. I might feel like I have a choice. But there's no no actual way I can go against God's for ordination. I resent that you took so long to answer eating up my time I do now look I went with what you already agreed. Free will was and then you say that's not what it is so you're being consistent. Free will definition that you gave me is that you make a choice. That is not forced. That's what it is as I said. That's exactly what we teach as Calvin assists as what we teach as biblical theologians as Christian. That's what we teach and then I asked You I ask you questions regarding that. How is it that God ordains that you freely? Take off your hat because you freely. Choose to asking you a question it. It's somehow means you're not free since you're the one freely doing the answer. The question is thought that was a statement. And ask you the question. We're out of time so I asked me just to show the contradiction contradiction real quick once again. People can't go against what got is preordained. So you have to be able to go against what is preordained. In order for you to actually have a choice in the matter. That's how I would answer that question. Why said my statements okay? That's time all right. I'll reset the clock for closing of ten minutes and scholar. You'll go I absolutely to get this right. You're ready yeah So I think it's been pretty clear here. I mean the only Matt Answer Zermatt has throughout this whole debate is that God gives us free will but then when we look at the definition of free will these giving it doesn't apply to if we can what's gives definition of free will again. This is the freedom of self determination and action independent of external causes. Well how how is it possible that I can Do any action. Without the presence of External Causes Yock is written it out like a book folks he wrote the blueprint everything the oldness phone be sitting. God bless rafter. Jews like that's all preordained by God. There's nothing I can do according to Calvinism to go against what is preordained. Now over over and over and keep saying well they're freely choosing it. What the the idea of having a free or a certain type of free will include the idea that you have to be able to make another choice and you can't make another choice because if you were able to make another choice You would be going against dot is already preordained You know I find it funny I you know. I think one of the things in good sharing. We shouldn't try to think that people were trying to run out the clock or things like that. I think it's just kind of bad. Had A debate to get so frustrated. Upset with me. I've been very I cut you off because I want it direct answers to my questions but I didn't really appreciate that. Whatever to debate the heat? It was much better than the last debate so like I said exactly what I thought would happen. This debate happened there was no articulation of how I have the ability to freely. Choose something in the ability to be able to freely choose. Something means that I have the ability to go against it. I can't go against God's what he is preordained. And what he pure Danes is through his wills everything that has happened from at the very beginning. I'll say it again because I think is so important. Like what is predestination is the doctor. NAGATA's foreordained all things which will come to pass the when I sin. It's because God is four engine. Now how do I have the ability to not sin if I I can't go against what God is four deigned. How is that possible? All you're gonNA say well he gave you the the way to freely choose it now so you noticed with this hat analogy but it's conflating two different completely topics talking about what human beings can do and shook each other in this idea within a world view that human the beings have an idea. Free will and what he's articulate is completely different than calvinism in human scenario with the hat like things are written from the very beginning these things weren't for ordained by God in the scenario with the humans. This is why I made a point to actually were wait. What was asking me questions about things in my secular world view? It's completely irrelevant. It doesn't matter my secular view how I view things. He's the one who's making the argument. That people have free will my idea free will or my definition of free will. Hey I could be. Somebody who doesn't believe in Free Wolf off. Matt might argue that. I'm just I'm just chemicals in my brain. I'm just chemical reactions happening everything you just determined because of the way that we're made I'm not saying I agree with that but I don't even have to believe in free will in this scenario but this is a tactic to distract distract from not having to actually articulate the mechanism in which somebody can freely choose to do something while at the same time time not be able to go against it. What Matt saying really is that within? The blueprint God pre desire for me to sin. I can't go against that desire. I have in the blueprint yod said that I would commit sin. I cannot knots is in because I can't go against the blueprint and then he wants to throw on top of that but you freely choose to do so so the only thing I can translate. Translate it all kind of makes sense would be the concept that I just feel. I'm making a choice. Because if all of my desires and choices are predetermined. How is that as he defines pre will the freedom of self determination and actions independent of external real causes if he creates desire? How is that independent external causes? He's the one who caused me to desire to send. How is it if God caused me to sin? How is it that if I don't have self determination I'm not determining my future I'm not determining what I'm GonNa do? Everything is written out in. Frankly I don't understand how like calvinism thinks this isn't all rational. This is at least At the bear he bare minimum contradictory. What else do I want to talk about here? Simpson Dome predestination and decreased will free to fill compatibles election. I think we have a moment. I'll talk about elections a little bit because this goes the idea of free will also so I don't have the free will to choose to worship God. God has to give me that grace. God has to offer me that Grayson. Es to write it in to the blueprint he has to predestine me in order to for for me to choose to accept. Jesus I can't do it on my own. This is the whole thing. I was reading earlier with your million calvinism thing. That's really yeah. I wanted to really be clear. There's controversy as the nature of predestination in reformed Talbot's camp Predestination includes individuals in other words that reform formed in the reform columnist. A camp predestination includes individuals in other words the reformed doctrine of predestination predestined. And not not and that without his predestination none it would be safe. The non report care for AMPs says that God predestined people to Salvation Forget states that God predestines people's ovation but they freely choose to follow God so under calvinism. I'm not freely choosing to follow. God back what you guys believe as galvanise gives him the priest and some of these people freely choose to focus in other words in a non reform respective God is reacting to the will will the free will of the individuals and predestined him. Only because they choose got where by contrast the reform position states that people choose choose God only because he predestined them to. And what does it mean to predestine. I'm GonNa just nail this down as many times as possible. Is it so important it means which is the same as a preordained. Major at this is the same which means that God odd or Danes. What will happen so just basically your Danes? That they'll that he basically was the prediction. He chooses that they'll have. The lovers wants to get what they do choices. I mean but what they do doesn't matter anyways because got anything else. I think. Now wrap it up here. I just want to say. Thank you for hosting the debate. Tonight this was a fun time I had a good time. Thank you for hosting. It was pleasant respectful fool and I. I think that we had a good conversation. So thank you. All hail refugees meadow reset the clock. And you can start whenever you're ready. You're you're muted there. We go all right right. So this is this is we're done after this Schuyler has a better than average understanding of a lot of atheists might have love predestination for donation election things like that and I will say that because she's got my website and does some homework but there are other issues worth discussing. cussing and worth going through which repeatedly brought out in our debate which he has repeatedly failed to really differentiate him but in them sufficiently when we talk about the issue of free will I specifically asked him In our conversation if free will was that unforced choice that person just does allies. He said yes. That's what we calvin teach is. Free will what's interesting is to say that me. Calvin is who defense GALVEZ obsessed. That's what we teach. He just cowardice. It is free. We have freedom we. We Act according to our nature according to our will and we act in a manner that's consistent with our nature. We're not being forced to do things that that's what it is. That's what he says it is. That's what we say it is. We also say as Calvin EST that God ordains our freedom that God can certainly worked within circumstances to bring about what he desires. And I gave illustrations on how this kind of thing could be done I talked about removing the hat illustration. I talked about making me walk. Walk left or right. There are various things that God can do to bring about the will that he desires by freely working within or working. I should say within within my free freedom of will in order to bring me to do what he desires. There's no logical impossibility there. There's no logical contradiction there not a problem. This kind of illustration is what we use. When we discuss the issues with God? Certainly God knows all things and he knows exactly what circumstances dances to bring to bear in which certain people will do exactly what he desires them to do. And in so doing it's freely done just as God could ordain that I turn left or right by bringing something to bear in a certain position knowing. This is how I'm going to be. This is how I'm going to react. This is what he will do and you can do that. There is no problem there and this is something that Skyler has repeatedly abandoned and repeatedly ignored and a repeatedly Veasley just basically I think what you're just basically dismissed for the most part. He's ignored it. Well God has how's the ability to ordain what we do and he does. Because in the Christian Economy The Christian theological perspective. God works all things after the counsel of his will all thanks biological necessity within Christianity. Means that God is able to bring about even our free will choices to the ultimate end of what he desires will occur. Only if you think in a less than Christian perspectives regarding the nature of God the Omniscience of God the sovereignty. The of God the will of God as it respects the ability of God to Ordain what we do in our freedom. Only if you fail to see those issues as they relate also to due to creative prescriptive permissive wills of God and direct and indirect causation. That God can have when you fail to see these. Then you have these problems and I'll admit that there are people. I have to discuss this with at length in order to get them to understand certain things because they don't have the expertise the training to build. Go and see how these things work but it does simply ric like this by definition a choices free if it's not coerced if it's consistent with a person's nature's essence essence of what causes it whether it's not forced Schuyler has admitted that I've admitted that that's what we hold to and it's certainly possible that God can range Raines assertiveness and says by which person freely chooses to do whatever he wants to do and is because God has ordained that the person who choose to do it and here's the catch God freely ordained that they freely do what he wants to do. Is that possible yes. Is that a contradiction. No it's not because because nothing in logic says that God can't bring to bear what he wants me to do freely as I've illustrated with a hat with a turning left with various things. It's certainly possible that it can be done as Schuyler has not presented anything to refute the logic of the position. He says there's problems and hopefully what he'll do is present a logical premise. To me in an email to which I will then respond and maybe I'll even publish it so I hope that he would take this very seriously. And we see my notes so when you say that God is for a deigned he has fourteen at. You'll rebel against him in prescriptive will well. Yeah God ordains. That people will rebel against him against his prescriptive will but for donations nation does not mean direct causation. It means that God is four deigned by getting permission to people to to act and decide and two well to do things in a manner inconsistent with his revealed will morally is prescriptive. Well God says don't lie. He permits people to lie so he ordains that they lie but the ordination does not mean causation. And this is where Skyler really misses the issue shoe because he conflates the issue of causation in one sense with indirect not causation and another and tries to imply that one means the other. And that's not the case and as I've had many discussions with some very competent theologians and read many many pages on this. This is differentiation that we repeatedly see and are bringing up which he repeatedly fails to bring into the conversation and I know why it's because he has an agenda. The agenda is a demonstrator. Tried to demonstrate straight. At the idea of Christian. Theology is incoherent and that God who knows all things trees all things ultimately in a broad sense I said earlier is the one who does these things and that we are able to do that and we see this in acts four twenty seven. Twenty eight were Gods predestines people to bring Jesus to the Cross and they did desks and yet and acts to Twenty-three it clearly tale tells us that they are the ones who are responsible for the actions that they did now. We can understand their culpability in their own actions if their actions are free now win Schuyler says well. They weren't free to choose contrary. Well that's not really the issue the issue is this is what they truly chose to do if they don't choose to do something contrary it's because of their own free will they choose not to do something contrary it's not that they would. They would have a desire to do something contrary and then they couldn't. That's not how it works. They freed to do this. That's what free will list. If they wanted to do something else they would choose do that. In when to say therefore danger freely choose left. Music can't choose right. Is the wrong question it. It means that they're freely chosen to do. This is what God knows in the circumstances situations. Let's work it. That way that they will choose they will freely choose if they're gonNA freely choose something else that's how that's GonNa work too so what Schuyler is doing is actually failing to understand the chew issue and making it what's called a non sequitur and and building something that refutes itself ultimately now if he wants to articulate A. I'm trying to read my notes here and how much time we got left. Also two minutes okay. So Schuyler is failed to demonstrate how one issue of God's Sovereignty Auburn teams contradictory to man's freedom. He has not demonstrated at one logical statement or one statement of truth means an understatement. Of Truth is not possible possible. And I'm going to really stretch this that I'm going to ask Schuyler to lay this out not an opinion but logically the best. He can step by. Step why this and I'll offer to publish that on my website with my responses and you can respond to those and then I'll respond to those the couple of three times if you're so interested to do that but I wanna see the logic of what it is that you say I've demonstrated from to you. What free will is? You've agreed to do. It also demonstrated how God can work in our freedom and that our free will is not Denied or violated in God's sovereign works. Someone's with I'm hearing voices voices coming and you have not answered that challenge. You've not shown how that's not possible and I want to say bliss. I believe you have failed to understand the proper relationship between predestination election for the nation and decree. I think you've given it a good shot but I don't think if you have done a very Sufficient particularly in this kind of a level and without God's predestination none will be saved. That is correct because it means that God predestined destined the elect into salvation by granting them belief and he does this flipping twenty nine but he also does it by regenerating them which is God's free Act To work upon them which changes them internally whereupon they freely choose to believe and trust in God this is not not a violation of free. Will it's a sovereign work of God where he works with people changes them and they acted a manner consistent with their nature and they freely really choose to believe in trust in Christ otherwise they could not be held culpable for anything with do right or wrong right a time. I hope that was sufficient efficient. All right I will bring Sarah back saying it wanted. Thank both of you guys. Don't if you have any any any other closing comments that you WanNa make you know as far as anything. I don't think you guys are working on you. Want to promote and everybody for just a good debate and having me on injury was a pleasure undisclosed appreciate it. Sorry somebody would if the Russians Hack God's elect Srb me laugh and be preordained to as it would be that's right and so that was really did it so anyway. Yeah thanks for the debate and I appreciate it and I got a lot more stuff going on of this month I posted the base. Somebody else calvinism. Later this month on free wealthy really habit. It'll be interesting so anyway thanks. It was fun. It was enjoyable all right so let folks know next week. don't know Mad and I are probably going to be why no I will be out in Pennsylvania with just Peter so probably be bringing him in so I don't know what we'll we'll figure out this week. What the topic will be Matt we should do Give you a review. We got I should have done this at the beginning but someone had given a review for the podcast. Five stars love this so much. Thank you guys. Hope you guys will be around for a long time. Love how you're striving for eternity. That's from Ethel fourteen I think so Give that again. We we just want to thank everyone for Thank Matt and Schuyler for for doing the debate. Hope this was helpful for folks I know that Schuyler is probably GonNa be doing a response on his Channel Mad. I don't know if you WANNA do one on on this channel. We could do that. Maybe next week Or afterwards if they want to do a I don't know from the council wants to do a an after show but Just to to let folks know good Dot Org C. A. R. Dot Org. That's where you're you're seeing. Most of the information for this show was was coming from and Again I'll remind you guys about the contest that we have gone so if you want to get in on that contest Just go to billy dot com slash. CPC contest and subscribe to this channel. So that you can can get more of these. We do these every week if you WANNA come in and give challenges if you're interested in a formal debate we can try to set those up as well and that is it's something we look to do. So but we're here Thursday nights two hours answering any questions challenges that you may have and so that's something for you check out my podcast. The rap report this week is going to be a good one with responding to Ben Shapiro Gloria Aldridge. Also be listening to Matt Matt. Slick live five days a week Monday through Friday. And that's actually a podcast that you can just go search for Christian apologists research ministry or search for format slick. You will find those and so that is all you offer this week. I hope you'll join us next week. I don't know what we'll do. We might do it open Cuna which means you can ask anything and we'll see if we can answer it. I'm sure we can And we again just wanted to thank Matt and Schuyler for this. We look forward to seeing you next week.

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Podcast Collaboration From International Podcast Day

Slick Talk: The Hospitality Podcast

21:02 min | 2 months ago

Podcast Collaboration From International Podcast Day

"Welcome to Slick talk the hospitality podcast where we discuss all things Hospitality hotels and business. You can find us online at flicked off the podcast. And off every podcast listening platform. In honor of international podcast day September 30th. I thought it would be a really good idea to get a few Hospitality podcasters together to just talk about what we're doing some of the benefits of podcasting. We are met actually through podcasting. None of us. I don't think I've met face-to-face yet. It's all been going to zoom calls and and and recordings, but the world of hospitality pause casting is surprisingly small. It's not a lot of us doing it. And so I don't know well not doing about do it well, and so I mean myself included I'm still learning about 100% done. I do everything. You know, I booked the guests. I do most of the editing I do all the promotion for the show. I have somebody that helps me put together the final mixing and out of the shows but took everything home grown on my end. And so I thought it'd be a good idea to talk about podcasting the hospitality space how you got started what you learned and and maybe Inspire the next job? Action of pocket casters to come up and also some Shameless plugs or not. So Shameless plugs of your other shows will do you want to you want to jump off dead sure. I can definitely do that. You know, I started podcasting especially in the hospitality space just because I like you said, there's not many podcasts in the hospitality world that are doing it. Well and I woke up to do it. Well, you know, I'm young. I'm hungry. I'm passionate about what we do. I love every aspect of hospitality. I've touched on it every segment. I can little, you know career I've had and so I think just that was my main goal was like I want to get people my age excited about Hospitality. It's not just looking at numbers and checking people and it's a lot of extra cool things right? There's more to it. There's more Industries involved than any other industry, I think in Hospitality, right? You have Finance you have security you have customer service you have wage. All these extra, you know segments. I just go into it. So I really want to inspire and that's how I got into it. I moved to the Oregon coast saw Gary V. And Tony Robbins say use anchor create a free podcast by $20 bike and that's what I did. So did that and you were my first guest on the show and we you know, I think did really well. That's what got my podcast on the map was our episode of how to become a home manager. Lots of killer feedback from it and never look back since that's amazing. So your select talk the hospitality podcast available on every platform wherever you get podcasts. It's out there everything and Amazon Prime now. Oh, yeah, right. Yeah, they're doing podcast now to this is the space of podcast and where the distribution is happening is interesting to watch I've seen a lot of or lately about Spotify and Joe Rogan and you know, that's that seems to have just renewed a lot of visibility. It's going to be, like me the new the new music industry in a sense where people are dead. Yeah, yeah people are going to be licensing content and all sorts of management stuff is probably going to happen and yeah, absolutely crazy. I your show what time you're trying to convey through the show. What do you want people to know about it? Just that, you know, you know, it's hospitality such a big world, but we're all intertwined and connected somehow like you've been on this call you're in Seattle. I'm a little bit outside of Seattle. Michael is in London like, you know, or you know, at least in the UK, I'm not sure exactly London, but you know, let's just we're so interconnected life is such a big world. There's so much to learn the conversation is always ongoing no matter what I can talk about Revenue management with 10 guests in a row and we'll talk about something different every time. Yeah, and it's it's just really super unique and so that's why I try to convey. I don't stick to one particular segment. I just love everything involving team culture guest experienced wage. And overall how to thrive as an industry because that is where we are at right now. Yeah, you're are you put the show together production and all the stuff that goes off the back end that unless you get into podcasting. I don't think I certainly didn't know how much work goes on behind the scenes. Who are you a one-man show or like a 1 and 1/2 man show wage, uh, one married show and like I I schedule I create the content I do the photo graphics. I do the social media. I do the editing. I do literally everything and my show off not like this is not an any like away like but it's booked out like till December, you know, we have a line of people that want to get exposed and want to talk and educate and inform and do like what option is and so it's it's it's a full-time job, like literally, I woke up at 6. I got to my office at seven-thirty and I won't be out of here until probably 8 tonight. Yeah. Yeah. It's a long a lot of work log. And it's amazing. It's not to say Michael tossing our Hospitality Mavericks. Yeah, it's a happy International podcast day. So so so are we were brought together as well at him and I and we'll over the podcast has already been mentioned off for me. It came as a natural involvement being born and raised in hospitality and spent my life. I'm a bit older than will. I wish I was in that age again and could do what we had able to change today. But you know age is not a blocker, you know, there's a bit more gray hair, you know and just remember man. Oh, no, we're coming in strong. Now the gray hair off, but I have a very bit by bit like will I big passion for for hospitality and it is bit of like a Marmite industry, either you you love it or you you hate it and leave it and not stated it for forty years and I was on this journey of trying to you know, it was a find out you never done learning anything about things in Hospitality. You you have to be a student all the way through because I am Become arrogant and you know growing and we were advising clients and we're meeting all these great people and from a very early age. I was very interesting to understand what the best of the best of doing. So when our office manager the restaurant want to work and look at mirroring the best manager and that became a Fascination all through University and good to Great became a very big part of how I operate as needed. But also how I advise clients and thinking on that and then suddenly on that Journey about two and a half years ago. It it doomed to me that also when you you you cannot just consist industry and take things from you have to give things back to it. You have to be part of making it better because on over the maybe the last seven to eight years started to asking myself questions. Are we doing things as we're doing? It doesn't really make sense, you know, maybe maybe not as you know, we working hard but it's not smart and you know looking at other Industries what they're doing and why we not digital. And all those things that's all. Okay, how can we do that? And I'm having with lots of great of conversation with like-minded people that was asking question why we operating a social March and try week except in that and then I thought you know what I'm having coffee with these people are anyway or assume call or Skype call or whatever. What if you could share those conversation and one of my friend was not I didn't go to the Tony Robbins song Gary we even though I've been to China Robin as one of my friends who said Michael you should do podcast in you you love to ask questions. So you'll be brilliant at it. So just start it. So it was not like I'll have some luck kind of strategy just went out found a local person that can teach me this and she got me up to speed very quickly and we did the first couple of episodes and people seem to like it and it was not planning to do this. We had a consumer the business of that time and and we still have that but Cloud was not to do it at any other thing than just hear interesting story and learn from them and the suddenly we found out lost much more a month. This and now we're done almost about a hundred shows including bonus episodes and we launched fully into podcasting mode off on that. Anyway during the pandemic. And yeah, so so that's that's the journey and now it's just about trying to create more Hearts ended and profitable Hospitality businesses out there. And that's that's our mission in general with hospitality Mavericks, but through the podcast we can read the global world as well as that and I think that's super interesting. Cuz what I've learned very quickly having these conversations across the continent is that we have the same problems. We have some systemic problems as an industry doesn't matter if you in the US or in Australia, Japan or you're in Russia month, you will have the same systemic issues around how we run and operate our industry hotels are not hotels restaurants. Qsr. Are is all the same all the same challenges. So I thought it was I thought Podcasting just as the way to us to get smarter about what we do in the industry. Yeah. Yeah, I agreed. Yeah interesting. I talked to I talked to more International people from because of the show that I do enjoy my hometown or like where I live, you know. Oh, yeah, that's why I think like sort of realizing. This is not my community is not my neighbors as literally people around the world and it's all because of a podcast well in the hospitality space, I mean I counted the other day. I moved 28 times since I started in hospitality and I've been in the industry twenty-five years so that kind of gives you some context about you know, how much is going on. I mean, you're kind of all over the place and you know, Michael to your point. I mean the it's so Global page. It's it seems like such a large industry. I mean it is to some extent but once you get into certain circles, it's really small and you come across the same names and the same people again, and again, how many times are we off? And hey, that person's been on my show and they're showing and your show and yeah, yeah. Yes, exactly and and and it's to be successful in Hospitality at a certain level. You do kind of have to move around to go where the work is be sure people stay where they're at. And and that's fine. But you could climb the ladder a lot quicker if you go somewhere and then you go to the next job you go to the next job you could transfer to be promoted and that brings this for those of us that have done it as a Global Perspective little bit of experience in a lot of different markets many different types of hotels and thought that was there was a point I think for me a couple of years ago will when you and I got connected on the podcast on yours and then Michael not long after I was on yours, I thought to myself this is this is something that uh, I should be talking about I'm sharing with the world doing my own podcast and that that's how the proven principles got podcast came to be through this realization that there there are these prints birth. Is that all great hotels run on and they they're not always obvious but the best run hotels in the world all have a similar way of doing things and if I could find a way to share that with people in the space that maybe that could bring some value and so now the show started I would say, well it really started year-and-half ago, but it was earlier this year were things really kicked off and I started having a lot of content in time into this show. I initially started just doing me just talking off so I would come up with you know, what should I talk about this week and I try to put 1500 minutes man. It was impossible very quickly ran out of things. So pivoting two interviews. I mean, who am I I like this is it was just my opinion. Why would I just blab on and on and on about my own experiences when there's so many people in the space that have great experience that could come in and share their knowledge. And you know how they operate their hotels and and it's turned into this really interesting eclectic group of people that have been on the show and they continue to be on the show me covering everything from you know, housekeeping to your Revenue management. See I even had an attorney on not long ago talking about, you know, the law and and p p e and mandating mask-wearing off because Hospitality. Yes, it's there's a nucleus of staying in a hotel eating in a restaurant, you know? Yes, there's that but there's all these offshoots that so many different interests have their hands in Hospitality that it's kind of a subject matter that you can just go on and on and on about and and so that's that was the Genesis of my show and that's that's how it came to be and hopefully we're continuing go now going forward. Yeah Zone going conversation and its International Community. That's just like Michael said like-minded people and we get literally it's just crazy. To think of like if you were doing the show by yourself, right? I can't think of anything but then you sit down with somebody and you just feed off of each other like even and I think the coolest part about podcasting summer International podcast. Did everyone has pivoted to zoom or Skype or some kind of video meeting space right virtual work. We've been doing this already. My work life has not changed at all in a sense of I think like we've already been at this pace of back-to-back some meetings back-to-back emails like this is what we do offer. Like we're this is what we live in front of a microphone and a laptop, you know, and so it's kind of cool to see not cool. It's just interesting to see how podcasting is prepared. I think at least me for years for this new pandemic world that we're in right cuz if I wasn't doing this or if you guys weren't doing this, right how how hard would it be to adjust to a constant Zoom life right dead? Oh, yeah. Yeah for sure. So when I also think that something I don't know if you felt this guy it's been a bit like my you know, you know call it even though the the pressure pressure relief in a way almost therapy to have the podcast because she just need to do it. It's just gives you that momentum a feeling you are actually contributing to something and sometimes you comes out unexpected responses from people where you you know Summer by episodes people have emailed me and said actually that idea that person talked about I create a improve my business or solve the personal problem or whatever it is and think that's so interesting and it's been so interesting. What I've been doing myself is actually a gun, you know, maybe bit off off track from industry, but actually taking people from outside the industry into the conversation and I'm surprised about how people how welcome people have been for that in the industry off. That's going to turn people off of it. It's a bit of a trick. So that's been people on Mental Health that's been people on solicitors, you know, people are just things differently and and it's been really interesting to see actually that actually boosted the podcast against sometimes to something do something. There's a bit out of your Niche is actually very powerful as well. But I think the most important thing in this message was to put their appeal of you actually have to deliver something as you say will some really good quality over week else people is not going to tune into it. Yeah, cuz you guys can I ask did you guys in the beginning of your shows really just like I'll take anybody and now you're at the point like I'm going to be picky because we have that like accreditation in the audience that is wanting certain things. Like we can tell when somebody reaches out that is oh I'm just going to promote this product or service. There's really no value to it. They're just kind of trying to pitch versus when you actually are like this is innovative. This is creative this Thursday. Inspiring yes is something real and you can be more picky on who your your guest is or your content-based. Yeah, I mean in this initially for me. I didn't know what I wanted to be. It was kind of hard to articulate. I had a vision but it had to do some shows to figure out how that was going to come together that said it didn't take very long to figure out that to your point having people on that just took it to promote a book or promote a business and not really provide any actual value to the show bring something to the to the table. It didn't take long to figure that out. Yeah that that's what I didn't want. Yeah. Exactly. I think it's a relevant question will especially when you are podcaster, but I think also what I've read and stab because also it's a bit like hiring people. You can't know from the email you can't know so I always say to people okay what's happened? What's the first step is if I have minimum wage? Invited them into the show is saying that there's there's a conversation because you need to understand what the expected what what preparation you need to go into wage. Also. I want to hear that story because sometimes they they're telling the wrong story and maybe you can actually help them tell a better story. So some of them especially ones so we Henderson also I thought this is a bit of a pub and we're very good friends now so I can say that so but she's been one of the most downloaded because she just had like such an authentic story and she just lives that live there was no doubt, but I thought I was almost reading in our writing it off before so I think you need almost like any business you need to have your your processes and systems in place and Wells L. Sometimes maybe you miss a good story wage is my learning from it, but I'm definitely more picky. You're absolutely right will I would not you know, you can hear when people are saying oh I have to say we launched in this great product. It'll be great to get on your show. I found it is very long. Inspiring. Yeah. Yeah. I hope those Founders on that or else it's going to be very difficult business, you know agreed. I was like I always do a pre-recording call. I think that's like become practiced like, okay. Now you have to chat like for 13 15 minutes, you know, just make sure there's Rapport. There's yeah, it's not just like a sales pitch to your audience that you've taken x amount of time to build and form relationships, right? That's what we're in route Hospitality relationships. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So that actually in that if anybody wanted to be a guest on either one of your shows I have that first conversation. What's the best place for them to get a hold of you? How should they do that? Michael you go ahead first man. Yeah. Yeah, they can email me on Michael add Hospitality mavericks.com. They'll go direct to my inbox. We have a website you can go through as well or you can just reach out on LinkedIn nothing. That's where most people reach out. So yeah, just type in my name my dog Things there and you will be able to to to to get in touch with me and we will have a chat. We are radical open-minded to have conversations. That's what it's all about. Awesome. Well, how about you? Yeah, same thing will with one L open road Hospitality, that will be my email and then select talk. The podcast.com is where I lived and breathed as well as LinkedIn and so yes, we'll Slickers will with one L. Of course and then yeah, that's that's basically it nice and then Adam at knowing Hospitality, The Proven principles podcast reach out to me. If you want to be a guest love to have you. I'm sure all three of us would love to have the same guests on cuz what's funny is that I think people sometimes think I shouldn't reach out to a different the same or different podcasts to be the same person to be a guest on but the fact is that each one of our shows covers different topics. So it's totally fine to do the rounds of the the podcast dog. Cuz you know each episode is going to be different. Of course. Yeah, I agree more. Yeah, perfect. On cool guest so podcasting day here you go go out. Listen to hospitality Mavericks listen to us talk. Listen to the preparer suppose podcast. Let us know what you think. Thank you guys. Thanks everyone. Thank you so much for listening. We love your support and want to provide the best we can to all our listeners. So please find Us online social media and on Spotify Apple podcast and Google podcast.

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Adam Knight: What Can Hotels Learn From Vacation Rentals?

Slick Talk: The Hospitality Podcast

53:54 min | 2 months ago

Adam Knight: What Can Hotels Learn From Vacation Rentals?

"All right everybody. Welcome back to Slick talk the hospitality podcast. This is a cool segue intro to the episode many of you who have been following the journey since the beginning. I'm talking almost three years ago when I first started select talk my guests that got me on the map. His name is Adam Knight and this is our fourth time we've ever done together and it's a co-branded podcast episode So Adam Knight has many titles as well as he said on his show that I have many titles. This guy is a twenty-plus year back in the industry. He's really has been, you know all over the board. He I think when we first recorded he was in California, and then he moved to Seattle near where I lived and so he and I have stayed good friends over the years and become close colleagues and done a lot of other projects together involving the podcast and Hospitality space, but those guys just thought In the hotel space who is really making some cool moves and just overall great guy to talk to so he is also now the founder of knowing hospitality and it's a construction company here Basin the United States was specifically Washington and so I'm really excited to have him back on the show for the fourth time that co-branded episode he reads I launch it on his podcast The Proven principles podcast. And so if you are a Hospitality podcast Enthusiast listener fan of podcasts in the hospitality space check them. I'm super excited to have him on board and to have done this episode together. So you can check them out at The Proven principles podcast as well as knowing hospitality, I'll link everything the show notes and now welcome to the episode. Welcome to Slick talk the hospitality podcast where we discuss all things Hospitality hotels and business you can find us online at home. Like talk the podcast.com and on every podcast listening platform. We're doing this. This is just we're recording this is it man. Good to see you you too. It's been way too long. But I'm glad that we've kept in touch. Yeah, I'd say welcome to the show, but I'm also on your show right now. So welcome to the show each other. Yeah girl. Both of us. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah this I lost count how many podcasts are we done together. Now? This is really worried off early days though first like yeah. Yeah. You were actually my first official industry guests love ever ever and look at you now. I know right you put me on the map. I'm just saying you suck. Your episode was so good. You're too kind know. It's seriously, like that's the comment I get a lot as a lot of people that listen early days or like oh, yeah what I'm like what episode got you know, like, oh, how did you become a hotel manager is what that was like, oh, that's like the best episode. Yeah. Yeah. That was a lot of fun. That was that feels like a lifetime ago. I was I'm in Seattle now. I was still living in San Francisco at the time. And yeah, that's that's a couple of years ago almost now. So almost three and the the question is still relevant. Why do you want to be a hotel manager page especially in these times? But you know, I guess we'll get to that in this show. Yeah for sure know in some point such a such a good series. And so yeah, I'm glad and now you're in my neck of the woods and yep, we're we're closer. So definitely think a beer or coffee is needed any time as soon as we're allowed to get out of our houses. Yeah, you know, we'll just stay like twelve feet apart. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Hey, so I want to kick off my life portion of the show and for sure for for the principals podcast you you developed something earlier this year called the destination error and you put together devastate Choice Awards and I think without stealing your thunder actually, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to Preamble it at all for anybody who doesn't know what it is and how it came to be once you give up. Background story on it. I will try not to go super long. It's kind of long. It's a been a flirtation of like events and stuff that have happened throughout the years. Obviously. I started out in the hotel industry like you it was a young ambitious Hotel manager love Revenue operations marketing you name it guest experience team cast took off and started a luxury vacation rental management company here in the Pacific Northwest. And so what that turned into was a big shift in my podcast when it came to content regarding hotels vacation rentals restaurants, you name it? And so there's a lot of conversations that have been happening throughout the industry. A lot of people go hotels versus vacation rentals. I'm not that guy on the guy that's very much we can learn so much from each other. And so I I am very neutral on both. I love um, I'm always a hotel guy like Bob Boy, I always ask me to do you stay in vacation rentals or hotels in like depends depends on my budget and usually has a bunch of other things but I like hotels and I like vacation rentals. There's a good time for both dead. So long story short with my company. We were coming up, you know with the marketing and branding and stuff like that and like what do we really do? You know, we're we're not going to be like every luxury vacation rental company out there that says we do this and blah blah blah blah. So I found the commonality of what our properties have and they are in a weird spots in the Pacific Northwest that you would not consider at destination home. So I said, you know what we we exceed Expectations by creating destinations, and and we loved that model and so, you know rewind a few months maybe a year. Uh, yeah Year back. I did a series 10 episode series vacation rental Mastermind series and talked with the biggest industry heads Pioneers that you know have been in this place. And there's a lot of conversations that happened and of course covid-19. So definitely made a lot of other stuff, you know going to into play but one conversation in particular was with Jeremiah gal who's ahead of breezy way. He found Flip Key was sold to TripAdvisor. So very very knowledgeable smart guy and he goes, you know property manager or you know vacation rental managers not as sexy term. It doesn't really describe what we do, you know, like Hotel manager that you manage a hotel but it doesn't really describe what we do on a daily basis, right so long and I were like maybe we can come up with a word for this episode that will better describe it and we tried and we can really think of anything but that never left my mind like at all like I was like what the hell is it? Why can't I find a home for it? And then I had another conversation with a mentor of mine a buddy who old employer when I moved to the Oregon coast. He hired me at his hotel and a manager's recipe. And other stuff like that, we became good friends after I left the company and I was talking with them and he goes, you know, we are wired to create remarkable experiences that are anticipated and shared and when I heard that I was like, holy crap. That is something like I just like fit everything. I've been thinking about like what we do, you know, we are people on a wired to create a remarkable. Yeah. So it's like that got me thinking the wheels turning and so I sat down with my you know, trust in pen and paper and I just started writing down words. I just you know, what I thought I wrote down experiences moments and other things that kind of made this term and I was like destination and I really loved it the word destination. I was like, okay and then goes with our model anyway as long story short. Yeah destination are was created. And so a destination are for all the listeners is a person or company that is wired to create wage. Experiences are anticipated and shared and so instead of just giving it a definition. I broke it down into multiple segments. What is the destination here do and so, you know bills direct brand loyalty definitely puts the team and guests Safety 1st and the experience first and Lead selflessly and and does find things that are unique and different and showcases them and then he leans into their local community. I think that's so key and we're seeing a lot of success within covid-19 is the people that have built local ecosystems are thriving wage because they're keeping each other, you know, say not safe but they're keeping each other, you know United in a in a big Forefront and so instead of and took up the story instead of saying this is what we do, we our destination areas. You should look at our brand and blah blah blah our company. I said, you know what this Theory this concept has to be there. There's got to be people dead. I just don't know of them. Right so I put it out there. I couldn't connect it with every single one of my biggest sponsors on the show and just people that have really gotten connected there deep in the industry and said this is the concept of what I want to do if you know anybody that fits it, please nominate them share it do this and we launched the award and Jose March April May June in June, July and ended in August and we announced the winner August 10th, and we had over 50 nominations around the world Italy South Africa Spain London. America All Over America just crazy places that I've never heard of too and I was like, okay the concept is real. That's a real. Yeah. So that's kind of like a long story short. I love it. I mean, it's it's not such a it's a it's a title. It's a mindset. It's it's something I think in these times that are so hard and hospitality and when you're talking hotels Rome, Vacation rentals. Yeah, there's a lot to be down about right now and we need things to celebrate and to remind us you know, what it is about this industry that that you know, frankly my way to keep you in it, right as we've sort of go through the next you know, who knows how long all this is going to be going on so I know I I mean big hats off team and for creating this I think there's there's a huge amount of value to it or thought you said I think when covid-19 alot of us got hit pretty hard a lot of hotels a lot of vacation rentals tons of restaurants. Everyone has been hit but those who are still you know, thriving and surviving right now. They are putting their head down and hustling and bustling they're not getting that Spotlight and I think you and I both know this from being a podcast or especially in hospitality is either ourselves or our guests on the show gets spotlights all the time and they're big companies or big people in the industry. So it's like they're always in the spotlight versus these guys there in the trenches right now and they never get it as much and so creating something that really dead. Animate them see like Hey, we're watching you. We see you. We got you like thank you for dealing what you do and setting that standard and really helping us be encouraged. So you you've chosen the winner. Yeah. We there are you and your do you want to talk about give a story a little bit about you know, who Who Rose to the top and it was a hard decision. It was a very hard decision. I think after I meet so I asked a couple of guest judge just to help me out and kind of give me their nominations of who they thought how the 50-plus that or were submitted and they did and they gave me the reasons why and I considered it but we delve in deep into every single, Google reviews Airbnb reviews listing reviews, like I got in like I found I found the way it's yeah, and so we we pick 5 winners off and so when our number one, excuse me. Winning number one is Kim from mobile network and their base out in the French Alps and they just created remarkable experiences for their guess. They're kind of they're not kind of there in the luxury segment wage. Um, so obviously it's a little bit different than your you know, Mom and Pop type of property management company, but they just they every standard they built their own software that really is all about getting their guests to come back and book direct and and be loyal to the the brand and the Holy Grail of bells. Yeah, exactly and then second place we had hella pagid wage Arizona who I'm actually going to fly out to tomorrow. I'm excited. Yeah, and she just is an amazing badass woman who has been through a lot and she's had a very extensive career and being a chef and all these other things going into hotels and and she created this amazing company that has all about being a slice of home she wants every month. Single property that they bring on which they have over a hundred fifty and she wants every single one to feel like a slice a home and so she just really fit that guest experience expectation. I think we should all be you know, observing number three was Bob Garner in Italy they have six luxury Italian apartments with pools and farmland and all sorts of cool stuff. So they all these people have the same things in common. They they fit the standards of a destination are you know brand loyalty guests reviews all this all these things right? Nice. Yeah. And so Bob and then there's Robin Craig and out in Colorado who I just got off the phone with as well before this interview. And again, that's just amazing places and spring boat, Colorado and Veil and just amazing shallots and Villas and stuff like that. And then there's Jessica out in California who wage Was a single mom she just got married actually single mom of two girls and she had their her girls involved in the whole company, they fixed fridges and take guests reservations and bookings and just the whole Community aspect she nailed and so it was just really cool to get to know them and to talk to him and see all this stuff coming to fruition, you know, so inaugural year off. Yeah, you're too. Yeah, I mean, you gotta start ramping up. Yeah since the bar system are really high. It was really hard to decide but then the day I'm super thankful for the Innocence we have yeah, I used to say, you know, when we would go through in hotels the employee of the month or quarter team of the quarter, you know, whatever. However Hotel does it. I always liked when we had a lot of Foundations a lot of really good nominations, right? It's a good problem to have they have all these amazing stories of these people going above and beyond and really trying to figure out you know, who embodies wage as many of these things that were about and sometimes those are intangible. You can't hard to Define ether be the model. Yeah. Yeah to be the model by which you know, you want other people to try and walk emulate themselves. I love exactly. Yeah. It was awesome. And I can't I can't speak highly and you know more highly of these people that just have taken the time they're you know, just yeah, for words are just so you've had a an interesting Journey because you started in hotels and you still have a foot in that world, but you've never did towards vacation rentals. Yeah, I'm purposefully yeah purposefully why which out about well it's again one of those long story short situations, but even when I was in the hotel world with money and then of course going to the coast and working with boutiques and and stuff like that my parents, you know have you know properties and they had a unfinished apartment above there. Garage that was attached to their house and they just said look we want to turn it into an Airbnb we heard from a friend of a friend of a friend that this is really good. So they did it but they're not Hospitality people. They didn't think about amenities and how to describe the listing and you know how to give the pictures and blah blah blah, you know, all the back end stuff, right? Yeah. Yeah, so I helped him out with it and not really successful. And so that kind of got me into it and then the podcast it was weird cuz I was doing all hotel and restaurant content in the beginning and then I woke up one day and I had Google alerts for whenever the podcast is mentioned on Google and I woke up to a Blog on the best vacation rental podcast listen to and mine was on there cuz I did one episode one episode off vacation rentals. Yeah, and and apparently it was a good one. And so I reached out to the company and got to know them and you know, so thank you for mentioning the podcast and they're based on the Scotland which then was a whole snowball wage. To the introduce me all these other people that created the series and I did the 10-episode series and then I was already starting a business with my business partners on vacation rentals. So it just kind of all fell into place naturally home. Yeah. It's an interesting progression. I mean, you know, we talked before the podcast about vacation rentals and what's going on right now the industry at large, but you know, I am when when covid-19 the most most interesting not just not just experiences right because you can find cool amenities and design a great guest book anywhere. If you put a little bit of thought into it a little bit of a Google search just about anybody can do it. Right but it's more than that. It was this purposefully built really well designed space it took into account all of the things that you might need to do while you were staying there for a few days off more than just sleeping and showering and making food and had a little business center and they had a little you know an area where if you wanted to do some yoga or stretching you could and they activated the outdoor space around there and edit it struck me at that time where I never thought before that stay that hotels could learn a lot from the vacation rental industry because there's so much cool stuff going on up there and then obviously this code things persisted but I can't get that out of my mind that hotels those that are going to survive are going to be the ones that complain. That and not necessarily pivot towards vacation rental platforms or the way of doing business, but getting inspired by the interesting cool things that are going on in the vacation rental space too long to come out of this in a different way a hundred percent and that's why I like talking with you because when we did have that conversation, you know, you're a 20 year veteran of the hotel space. And so you've seen the evolution of that segment of hospitality, right? You've seen how what works and what does not work especially for specific Brands and markets and stuff like that. And so seeing that and then taking that experience that you had in Idaho. My thing is like did you automatically go to did you see a hybrid solution ahead and hotel? Yeah for sure, you know, we started seeing before this all kicked off, you know Airbnb started letting hotel is another Network and that was dead. Hotel Mai hotel in Oregon was one of the first ones to get on the platform. Yeah. So I mean it's I think you know from a if you're looking at it just from a business and a distribution perspective, right? You want to have your hotel on as many sites as you can have it on cuz you wanted in front of as many eyes as you can get it so that people book it and that's part of the challenge and running a hotel especially with Revenue management is just managing all the channels out there. Right? It's just it's a it's a nightmare but more than that though. I think the pivot that airbag be was making into the hotel space and that's probably slow down. I'm sure that's going to ramp up again, you know down the road. I think it's awful. I think they're the ones that are going to drag the industry kicking and screaming in that direction and the hotels that are going to be successful are the ones that recognize this is an opportunity for us to place. And do things a little bit differently. Yeah, I will tell you though. I'm a little scared and this is something like Insider not Insider stuff, but this is just some like vacation rental is some talk behind the curtain talk and talk is that Airbnb, you know has made a lot of mistakes with covid-19. Plus what they did with allowing full one hundred percent refunds with know like obviously in the beginning. It's kind of expected but no like option to help, you know, guess want to get a credit for another future stay or helping the host that are depending on this like paying their mortgages with these revenues know, you know regard to to them and really kind of like left burned the host like side of the things, you know, there's there's a bunch of stake holders in this industry. You have hosts owner's property managers guests Airbnb Etc. And I I'm fearful that they may have burned too many bridges with that and so getting into the hotel world and we've seen this, you know, and I think you have a lot of insight on this too. But like the hotels aren't even opening. I have a guess that's coming on the show and they're not expected to open till two thousand a month. He won like after February 2021 and their bill a month and just what just running their normal property the way it is with no staff. No, nothing. No guests with a million dollars. Yeah, Karen, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but you know, they're they're twelve hundred rooms. So my my thing is, okay. Hotels are already paying a ton in OT a commission's not that it's bad. Like you said we need to be on every platform against many eyes as possible. But it's our job as hoteliers as vacation rental property managers is dead. And there's is to get them to want to come back Direct. That's her job. They were on the site for maybe 20 minutes or maybe they spent a week planning their vacation but there with you for a week or more often whatever, you know, it's our job that make the experience so good that we avoid having those commissions continue in that makes sense. Yeah, it does. I think it's interesting that that is a recognized need in both Industries, but nobody's really cracked the code yet and my evidence for that is the growth and proliferation of OTAs. Yeah, if anybody cracked the code, they wouldn't have a business model. So it's it's one of those things. I think you're right. We keep evolving. We keep trying new things. It's Our job to try to stay ahead of the curve when it comes to that. We'd hotels pay insane amounts of money to not only not like honestly not only commissions which can be like, you know in the teens to in the 20% Yeah, huge amount of money, right? So, you know for those that don't totally get the way it works. Like if you sold a room for $100 on Expedia and you had a 20% commission, you're not getting a hundred dollars you're getting like four costs before cost. So that's really it could really affect profit but they're also you know in their bid to try to generate more direct bookings to spend a ton of money online marketing for their hotel or their destination against the OTAs. So they're paying commission and they're paying to Market against the OTAs. Yeah, right. There's a it's a just you gotta figure out like where is my money most useful exactly and I don't know if you log Episode with Sean and Australia with Open Pantry podcasts. Yes in that. Yeah, just adamant. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so you know who he is and he and I did a similar thing like you guys did we did a crossover podcast like this one home and and at the end of the day, I think we came to the conclusion where like, I think we overcomplicated the whole industry without a doubt. I think we accomplished overcomplicated something. You know, you have you down PMS then you have a channel manager and you have a CRM and all these other things like there's some something there's a little chunk of Revenue going out to all these platform was just going to say so at the end of the day, it's just fighting profitability and sustainability. I've always been amazed and you know, I mean, this is I guess this is a house vote for capitalism. I don't know how we don't we don't need to go down that road. Like it's always amazed be that there's someone who comes up with a business model that finds a way to siphon off a tiny percentage right off. Between what's going on between you and your guests coming in and you know, five ten years ago. It was a couple of different companies you had to pay and then suddenly, you know messaging platforms come in and you know, you know different what what there's all kinds of them. So yeah, I mean kudos to the people that are clever enough to come up with that stuff. Yeah. There's there's a lot of air in the system still seriously and that's what I'm curious to see. I just had a guest on my show. They're based out in Poland called bedroom and they're pretty pretty they're growing pretty. Well. I know a lot of people are connected with them from the vacation rental and hotel space and I'm curious to see they've been operating for on say a little over five years. So they've comfortable Mark or not like a startup anymore, but they are on a subscription base, you know for the guests Sonos commission to the hotel, but they off. For more value, that's where I'm starting to see the success is that the guest feels like they're getting more but the only paying $29 a month or whatever the monthly or yearly fee is so they've not only that but they're also saving they're getting discounts. They're getting extra perks and packages and stuff like that low. It's like a I would say if you're an independent Boutique Hotel. This is like your customizable Rewards program in a sense. You know, there were they've been about five years. You said they've been around I think it's I think it's 7 but I think they really peaked in in five. So they've been around longer than all of this has been going on but it's an interesting thing to note that when 2008/2009 happened. There were a lot of things came out of that time right obviously social media kind of exploded after that, you know, you got Uber lift off and be all the all the meal delivery apps like all that sort of sprung out of that time. We're going to have that level of seismic shift after this is all said and done cuz I I know there are a ton of people behind the scenes. Just trying to figure out like, how can we morph our Industries to replace the business? That's not there anymore? Exactly. It's we find the Gap in the market and this is another not to Pivot back to the destination everything. But the there's this guy wasn't involved in the destination are awarding, but they have a vacation or management company in Georgia and they looked at their biggest Gap in occupancy and revenue instead. Okay, where when when is this time which a lot of failures do a lot of vacation running some companies do they found their Gap? It's like the last or second week of September and they said okay. We have a 7% occupancy across all our office know hundreds of properties or whatever. We need to find a way to fill it instead of finding, you know other companies to do it. They created their own barbecue and blues, you know, festival type deal. So the whole downtown all the shops up-and-up start barbecuing play music and dancing and all these things right these cool festivities. Yeah. Sorry just advertising and that's for the community aspect came in dead. They provide a value to create something cool that they're they found the Gap they filled it. And now it's one of their most booked weekends. They ever have outside of and even on top of their busy season of like summer and other things off. So I think what you're saying is why I bring that up is just because with the Cove it I think right now A lot of people are finding it works as Gap. I see a gap here. I see a gap there. Is there any connections? No, no conditions next next next and they're just trying to find ways to fill it and just like you said, it's going to be big part of that Cosmic shit. I think it will actually that's interesting. There's something I want to get your take on on the show regarding wage rates and revenue Management in the vacation rental space what's been going on in the hotel space is you know, that's if you look at the star data through the last quarter, it's been you know, it was slowly jumping up kind of as we left Memorial Day at the end of May and got through to the end of August to sort of slowly bounced up and it got a game Above 50% nationally occupancy wise two times in August. I think it was the second and third week of August or might have been the first and second in any event. It's it's now it started to decline again. But if you dig into the numbers the top 25 markets in the country, so the big Urban course, they didn't even touch 50% They were still in the thirties through the summer here. Now that summer is over and that Leisure Travel is declining it's not getting replaced by business traveling Group Travel usually goes into these Urban centers, right? So we're going to I think I want to get negative on this. I've talked about it enough but too much but I think it's reality is that you know, we're I think we're in for whatever whatever positivity and delirium occurring in the industry as these numbers started to go up that's going to start to fade off now that we're after Labor Day, so we'll see how people deal with that. Anyway long-winded way of getting to the point that I'm curious to know off. Vacation rental owners and management companies are coping with that that shift in business and how you're tackling rate and revenue management. That's a good question. And we've seen a lot kind of like the, you know Starr report. That's the bigger cities New York Seattle, you know, whatever the a lot of the majority cities aren't seeing as much traffic and what we have seen begin with a lot of extensive data come out from like companies like hair DNA and all these like platforms that a lot of hosts used for their direct bookings and stuff. Is that the drive markets off the drivable, you know staycations 40 mile radius or more type deals are being successful because people are just tired a lot of people are working from home, you know. Guess she lost a lot of jobs in the United States, but I think the majority of people or companies have been able to find ways to cut costs AKA offices and keep employees and so I'm just wanting your scenery and they're working from home but wanting to have maybe a nice lot more than go out to Nature or take the kids out on a walk in the evening or stuff like that right off. It's not as scary to you know, you can go with you and your wife going to go, you know to Idaho and walk a park without having to wear a mask because there's nobody else there right wage. Um vs. These big cities, there's people all over the place and you know how it is. So we're seeing a lot of that but my biggest thing with rates is, you know, you can't you can't you can't create Demand by dropping your rate. You can drop your rate to the lowest dollar possible. Even if it meant you paying a guess to come in to your your your property and you still won't fill it right wage, but I think we we've seen a huge growth, uh with vacation rental markets. We've we've seen as a proven method a lot of people are just getting out or just tired of it off. And so yeah. Yeah, a lot of companies are actually coming out on top there hotels. Unfortunately from what I've heard. I had a buddy who manages and does this kind of, you know, short term rental our birth. And gets all these listings and does really well for himself. They actually bought a hotel during this time. Yeah, and they went they renovated it and they created a hybrid no front desk know. Nothing is just housekeeping a main Steam and it's very personable but not personal. It's kind of like that hybrid again and they're doing successfully. Well, they've had over a thousand reservations and they launched they've watched uh, not too long ago while them a couple of months, but you know, they vary got over a thousand on the book. So we're seeing a lot of markets do pretty good and increasing like knowing this has been a huge topic and I'm pretty sure you can touch on it too High Rev part and ATR does not equal profitability. If you are not operating at a cost that is substantial and providing still a good service. Then there's still no point. I can have the highest rev power in my city against all my competition. But if I have a ref bar 190 and it cost me 160 a month exactly. My my opponent is costing them seventy and they're getting a 180 they're winning. That's right. So yeah, exactly and I think we're seeing that red pickup right now. I think the the the next interesting place that could could be marketed to especially these Drive destination, you know, 45 4500 mile away from where you live, you know, wherever everybody in Seattle goes to vacation that kind of thing. Where does everyone in La go to Vacation everyone in Atlanta where they go to vacation package is the school keishin. Where you know all of the kids are doing stuff online the parents are working online that you know, it makes perfect sense. Well, why don't you all just go to an Airbnb or not? I'm not too I'm agnostic on the vacation rental platform. Airbnb is like Google right at this point like it's a very much and a noun but you know you go get a vacation rental somewhere and you all can do work from this cool place and when you're off you're in this, you know, great place you can go, you know do barbecue and blues or whatever wherever you're at. You know, I think that I think that's the kind of thing that we're going to see over the next 6 9 probably 12 mm. Probably through the school year, honestly. Yeah. Well, you know, I talked again off of record about you know, the hybrid model and competition like Lodge that I was telling you about. Like, I think we're going to see a new age of hoteliers from this to your right and not to be on vacation with what they're going to start going toward, New Jersey. Door entry and instead of instead of mobile key and more Community again. I can preach this enough the community aspect. Yes, we can't, you know do big group events and other stuff but building something that gives people to do that. They all love, you know, it comes back to anticipate in and shared experiences. Right if I book a large Hotel. I know I'm going to have the opportunity to go home going to go bike riding or to skiing or kayaking or you know, there's all these activities that other people around the world love doing and they're they're they're doing very well at that. And so I think we're going to end their young the coolest part is like not enough people in the industry are getting into it because we don't I don't think we've portrayed the cool stuff that is actually going on. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's true. You know the other the other big element right now in hospitality and travel is cleanliness and safety harness and yep. We've all seen how hotels are, you know, they're advertising it and press pushing it and they all have their own version of the exact same program trying to score marketing points and and you know mines are in in their customer base around safety and cleanliness which in my opinion has a limited run way, you know, you can only talk about that for so long before you got to get back, you know what you're all about. But how are vacation rentals coping with the need to be out there talking about cleanliness and the safety of the the whole nation? Yeah, that's another another good question and it makes me think of a couple of people specifically in the space that are very much preaching trust and confidence right transparency. We've had so many conversations. I'm pretty sure you heard of Josh couple who's been on my show. We're talking about transparency in the industry dead. And and with each other, you know being honest like, you know, this month is really hard or you know in April we lost $124,000 from our main vacation rental. I'll just say that aloud like yeah like transparent about this site is not easy. But what can we do with this transparency when it comes with each other and with the guest? Yeah, I think we're seeing a lot of cleaning certification stuff come out which was one of the sponsors of the show, you know, Jill Maison with our scheduler. She create a cleaning certification teamed up with all these companies and the space and you know, create a housekeeping Relief Fund them all these things to portray trust and confidence and instead of like hotels, you know, creating ads and videos saying, you know this cleaning program and this is how we are going to do a code in it a long, um, you know vacation rentals don't have common spaces unless you're like a multi-family home building but a lot of those aren't doing very well right now for obvious reasons, but single family homes and urban areas job. Side of cities are are doing better because there is no, spaces but then at the end of the day we've seen people that display that on their listing like we're cleaning certified by following the CDC guidelines or blah blah blah. This is like they just portray what they do and how they do it and maybe update some pictures and stuff like that. They're they're bookings are actually doing better than those who do not portray that interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I think just kind of being upfront and transparent about it is really what you have to be are there any tools or Services out there that vacation rental owners can can go after two. I guess the the subtext of the question really is more about in hotels. Yes. Okay. They're always clean. We know they're not always clean but like, you know, it's it's it's implied that they're clean right? Yep. There are such protocols they did. Yeah, and yeah, they they're not Hospital cleaned. Maybe maybe some of them are getting close to that, you know fish now for a while back but there are trading protocols and there's Partnerships with chemical companies and you know, you have somebody maintaining all of your equipment and they buy these $800 vacuums and like gosh it's expensive to run housekeeping in a hotel which is all the more frustrating when it's not done well, but anyway, they spend a lot of money on this stuff what's going on in vacation rentals. Is there a place that like owners can go to a gym emulate that a little bit actually that's a I'm glad that you brother cuz I don't think so and not that I've seen when it comes to, you know, like chemical Partnerships and and making sure that you know, these are a lot of The Operators are property managers really are those type that they they order a lot of stuff themselves. They're you know, very independent as a very, you know, it's very odd. Greater. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah finding there's not really any companies that come and say, you know, like when your friend for an office manager or whatever and they come into lobbies say hey, I'm so so with so-and-so a Compaq. I want to you know, give you the exact. Yeah, we don't have that. So I think we're just what we've seen really is just the back-end operations like softwares and platforms really developing a better system and creating these ways to get the cleaning process standardized and you know, not automated but very detail-oriented to then, you know, cleaning certifications and other things like that that are really just kind of taking off with with that side of the industry. Yeah when this all kicked off, I learned something that in, you know, almost twenty-five years in the industry. I never knew until six months ago and and that's that there's a list of chemicals on them. Epa's website and I actually what I can do is link to it in the show notes that shows you what every commercial grade chemical is are quote approved or am I able to which viruses and bacteria they are able to kill I had no idea that this database was out there. But when this all kicked off were all you know, there was a lot of discussion about you know, is the whole whatever thing that we're using to clean our bathrooms. Is that going to kill the virus you got to think early days. Everybody was freaking out about it. We thought it lived on surfaces for days and you couldn't touch anything and we all had wipes everywhere and then a new if the whites did anything, you know, and that that update or they started that database as just constantly getting updated and that's a pretty valuable resource for people if they're looking to see what they using is effective. Agreed. Yeah, it's I think it just comes into right now. There's a over population of tools and resources right now. Everyone's pushing content with everyone is, you know, coming up with certain things, you know, cleaning programs and XYZ that it just is is really going to take about finding the right thing that's going to fit you guys and just feeling safe and comfortable with it yourself, right? What exact quote and like knowing that it's not all surface-based and it's are based. Okay, what can your housekeeper when the cleaning with each other? How can you keep your team safe, you know cuz gas take on that rest of travelling with their family or whatever. And so, you know, as long as they're keeping themselves safe, but keep yourself safe and how can they you know proper do when I was on the test sites for covid-19 for the garden the biggest thing so I've been trained in this for a while, but the biggest thing for people is taking off. Is appropriately so whether it lives on whether it lives on surfaces or not, you're touching people with test swabs and noses and stuff and who knows what who coughs spits bleeds whatever I'm taking a class appropriately and especially with cleaning you're dealing chemicals you're dealing with other bodily fluids and maybe in the property. So that's just kind of my biggest rent is like just learn how to take off your gloves appropriately and I do that and standardize it don't be afraid to say something to something like hey, you're not taking your calls off appropriately. You're increasing a risk of exposure. Whether it's Tacoma. Something else. Yeah. Yeah, I'll find something. I'll throw in the show Notes too. I think that's that's super helpful. It's basic things you take for granted exactly. What's oh you're throwing viruses everywhere. Yeah wage. So what's what's what do you thinking for the next? six to nine months I don't know part of me has been I don't like being negative. But I have a feeling, you know, wave number two and there's going to come which is going to suck but then I also feel very strongly that at the end of the day. We're going to see the same thing that we saw with April and March, you know went to a low but we we picked back up home and I'm hoping the same for hotels me that's like my biggest prayer, but I'm also thinking of hotels this is the time like this is the pivot. This is the time to really rise to the time like Get over those old mindset in a ways of well. This is how we do business. And this is how the industry is and getting that our heads and really focusing on all right this down to shake up the industry maybe uncomplicated a little bit Yeah along the way so that's my goal. Who knows man. It's just there's so many stakeholders and companies involved in dog. Street, you know different segments of hospitality. So that's kind of where I'm at. What about you? What do you think? You know, I've been struggling not to get negative on it to be honest with you. And I don't want what I'm about to say to sound negative. But I just think it's the reality. I think it's important to look at what the current state is home. And I think the next six to nine months vaccinations or no vaccinations. It's it's there's a lot that's still yet to shake out. You know, I I do believe there's there's a pretty big financial crisis coming. I think you've got a lot of hotels that can't pay their bills and at some point that's that's going to come home versus going to come home to roost. Yeah, there will be Fallout from that. There's no doubt about it. They're can't not be I think the I think the fact that all of these there's a lot of businesses in downtown cores are saying go work from home. You don't need to come back into the office and that's going to be the case for the next year or more. We're already seeing, you know, if you come to downtown Seattle you're already seeing off. For lease signs on storefronts on busy streets that had thousands of people going by every single day. You have restaurants that had essentially Fail-Safe business models survey thing everybody that works in this tower that has you know, four or five thousand people in it every single day serving soups and sandwiches National chains gone and gone like a while ago when this was just kicking off right so that all still needs to work through the system. So, you know, I think as that stuff starts to happen exactly what you're talking about. Now the innovative ideas that's that's the The Crucible or the stuff is going to go to come out, you know, and then you know, who knows what's going to happen next summer. I mean, hopefully we can start getting to a little bit of normalcy. But yeah, I think it's going to be a rough couple of quarters. There's no doubt about it. Yeah, and I just might again and on top of what you said. I want to see I want to see the industry unite and come together and dead. Has put put Brands aside put loyalty programs aside put Boutique not Boutique luxury, non luxury, whatever you decide and let's come together and figure this out. Like let's stop hurting each other by dropping our rates and saying well I'm going to get occupancy and I don't care how low I make my competition drop rates or whatever like we we gotta at the end of the day. This is an industry and I think we got a fight for it says this is probably just brings the show Full Circle and I know you gotta run but you know, it's about it. If this is about the destination right? It's about everybody banding together to support a place that not only you know has you know businesses and and and jobs, you know hotels vacation rentals restaurants, whatever quality Hospitality but it it's it's about the collective and communal survival of an industry town. In all of the regions around the country and it's going to take everybody coming together to make that happen to come up with the ideas of of different thoughts that we could put on for our locals, you know, it's time for hotels to embrace the five feet around them and not say hey locals know you can't come in and use our gym because you're not a baby bad example. Now if you're nobody's using James, but you get my point. You're not a guest so you can't come into this building that it's the neighborhood around you that's going to keep your doors open at that's where your revenues going to come from cuz nobody's flying here off any appreciable numbers and that number is going down not up right now. So yeah, I I think I think destination support is where it's at. Yeah. Yeah exactly. I kind of said it better myself. That's the perfect way to describe it and just the You know, there's a reason why we live where we live, you know, there's a reason why you move to Seattle. There's a reason why you're staying in Seattle. There's a reason why people live in their city and the biggest thing that I've been saying is like off your favorite places in town your favorite coffee shop your favorite special place to go take your wife or you know, your favorite place to walk your dog. Those are going to be your guest favorites too. If you showcase it and showcase your neighborhood or community. And so yeah, like you said this it's all about the destination and supporting each other and just kind of saying all right. What can we do love? It should start with destination are and with destination air, but look at that and that wasn't even planned that just happened was great. I love it. Yeah. Hey, well if anybody wants to find you a job, where do they go since we're so so this is for the proof of principles podcast will Slickers where can people find you? Yeah, they could find me at ww.w, You'll find me on Facebook page. Talk to the hospitality podcast Instagram at slick talk pod same as Twitter. And yeah, I'm also on LinkedIn so we'll Slickers well with one L. I'll send you all my links. But I'm yeah, I'm everywhere anywhere. I love this conversation for all my sleep talker's out there. Where can I find you Adam cuz you put on the show now four times now four times. Yeah for 10 guests by the first four times. You're the first just going to be like like an SNL Club where you know, and the number of times you host was going to say not to even kind of go off topic again, but like we started with the destination area with the destination everything we're talking about community and people really embracing their neighborhood. I'm seeing the same thing in the podcast World, especially with hospitality. This is the third cross third crossover. Yeah. I've been on with or done. You know, I'm Josh Global you myself Sean and I think we're going to see a big increase in that too. So I'm actually yeah, it's about support for everybody in the network. Yeah, I think yeah. Yeah so all wrong. Principal listeners and Slick talkers out there. I think you're going to hear a lot more of stuff like this sales. So I hope so. Yeah, I mean if anybody wants to find more about the show just go to you principles. Calm down. You can find everything about the show past ones show notes me and my company you can find me at knowing Hospitality, That's my official company Hotel Management Consultant, But yeah, we're we're online where every where you type in one of those things in one of your services, you'll find me. Awesome. Yeah, and I I want to do a more diving on unknowing Hospitality off once we get a second opportunity to record, but I've got I'm excited to have you back on the show and to be on yours you to you too. Well, thanks so much for this. This is great. Of course, my pleasure. All right, have a good one. Thank you so much for listening. 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"The apologetic wise switch and and you rappaport part of the Christian punk has it's <music> all right. We are live apologists. Live glad to have you you with us but we are minus one the slick one <hes> folks be praying for Matt Slick if you don't know any any beans but <hes> his sister are sorry his brother-in-law his wife's brother <hes> passed away this week and so <hes> I don't know if that's coming in or not I have not heard from him in like actually couple of days since <hes> I think yesterday so I don't know if he's coming into not of but if you start on time airs a chance we won't have been here just because well. He's got a lot to be planning <hes> they're. They're not quite sure what's going to be on <hes> funeral roller what he's actually did his <hes> his other brother-in-law's funeral <hes> folks who who know you listen regularly you know Matt's wife it has a very <hes> very rare disease and actually her and her siblings or the only ones in the world unfortunately that they all have this disease so she lost lost one brother already now she lost a second one and so that is why we are at least minus Matt for now. Maybe he'll come in later later. I don't know so I am Andrew Rappaport from striving for Eternity Dot O._R._G.. If you want to join us here in the discussion you can go to apologetic. Politics Live Dot com apologize live dot com. There's a link to join in there and it is right now. Just just me which means we're going to end up doing well pregnant do a Bible study. 'cause that's not here for me to ask him lots of questions so <hes> folks. If you have questions we want to join and I guess what I could do is look at some other questions that we do have in our politics live facebook group. I do know there is one. We did an answer from last week as I pull this up and look but one of the questions we had in apologize live from last week that we didn't get to <hes> is I'm going to try to find it but it had to do with whether <hes> <hes> tournament Oh is salvation. A conditional gift is how it was worded is salvation conditional gift and it's sort of a trick question. I think many people there figured out the trick question. <hes> my answer is my aunt was only if God is a liar according into <hes> according to Romans Chapter Eleven in verses twenty nine because he says he's not going to take takeaway salvation there but <hes> actually many people said yes conditional on the work that God did so <hes> singing the chat someone from Jersey Z. Kelly. You're from Jersey well. That's where this is being done at live right now so <hes> I'm going to bring in cody came in. I'm GonNa Bring Cody in Dan since there's no no banter this week was between Matt and I or whoever would be our guest apologist because I don't have one so maybe cody's our guest asked apologised cody. You've now become the guest apologised. I'm honored but I'm Kinda in the country so working so I don't have much of UH signals. I don't know if I'm breaking up or not. You sound fine so far okay Texas though right yes sir yeah we it. There's an inside joke. There folks <hes> How many times cody did did you introduce yourself or reintroduce yourself to Matt and in and have to explain it. You met him at the debates in Texas. It's an exhaustive process that I'm a little sympathetic Carr's Atta band for a long time and a whole lot of people and heard their stories and then the next time I saw him. I don't remember grandma so I I can empathize extent and then he's really old too so that you know we too hard on the guy so yeah yeah. This getting old stuff isn't fun. I'm just saying so so. Did you have any questions tonight. No I just want to <hes> not not yet. I may think something is a conversation develops but I'll tell you <hes> James James Watkins. I give a shout out to him for he sent me a scripture alone shirt brown five Solis and asking tracks in I'm forgetting on a thing that he did just WanNa get shot after that. He's here right now and so. I said he can just respond to you himself. Glad you're right now. Thanks thanks for thanks James. I got the shared I just add <hes>. I've been too dirty to put it on yet and take pictures and uploaded to facebook Chris Looking all that stuff shout out so so this is thing cody. I love this. You know if you know James. James is like all over the place posting promoting that he's given money to Karm for the cert say sells you know all the proceeds are going to help out how Karm and all this and then you get on here and it's like mentioned the website. Maybe no nothing nothing how about about Promo there the the obvious man James how to a promo for five solas ministry. Yes sure so sure month month of July so that means that there's only what I don't even know what day is like. I guess we have six days left in the month now. <hes> we're donating fifty percent of all of ourselves the Gospel try it's t shirts cases all the car and you can get all of that at Zola's ministries dot com. That's the number five solas ministries DOT DOT COM. What's the website again FAB SOLAS MINISTRIES DOT COM instead of plural ministries plural? Yes okay just checking. Just checking was five solas dot com taken it was we we try to a bunch of different ones actually <hes> the number five solas number five solo at first we were like maybe it's just like too simple of a web domain for them to sell often but yeah they were all taking a one of the domains they actually don't even do anything with somebody's vaulted it yeah well. That's what a lot of people do they actually buy domains and then try to sell them there. There's actually there's actually a guy I know that that's what he used to do. Like back when he saw people are starting to become famous he bought like Bill Clinton Dot Com and he sold it to Bill Clinton you know so they'd have all these people would do this and and for some of the people that are really well known that have the money. I guess pay very well for that stuff. Hey it was no one's GonNa pay a lot of money for five Solis well. Somebody's holding out hope that they will. It's all right. I ended Andrew. Go ahead. You have a question Andrew. I was talking with a guy the other day who <hes> would identify himself while he grew up southern Baptist right but now he identifies himself is no hide provide some type of Judea stick belief is basically what he holds do now. He says in his in his main argument comes from and I can't give you those specifics but maybe you're familiar with it and you can address it but he talks about. I think thank it's in Daniel Chapter Eleven. I think he says that <hes> or maybe it is when he's talking about. <hes> attack is epiphanies that he was the one that fulfill this particular <hes> prophecy not Jesus Jesus didn't fulfill so this prophecy and he's not the Messiah and that was the argument because that that this particular prophecy was clearly fulfilled the next period of time. Have you heard a similar argument well he yes and no whether it was held in that time one of things with Old Testament prophecies it is most of them especially the ones that have a long-term fulfilment something hundreds years later they have a near end near terminal in a long term fulfillment so you you know what a lot of people think of with Isaiah saying virginal conceive and give birth to a son right it will call his name Immanuel. Well many people think that he was speaking of a virgin at that time not that she he would be a virgin virgin conception but so some see that as being something where there was a a meaning of it at one point and and then later a later fulfillment of now that is common with prophecies. Okay <hes> do you think about the book of Daniel and you have this law fulfillment that he's he's saying is four hundred ninety years it can we would we be able to say that Daniel was a false prophet until that was filled. No you can't how do they know he wasn't a false prophet. Because with that long-term prophecy he gave a lot of short term prophecies which a you know a tie Fisa tiffany's can but he actually did fulfill some of those prophecies that was also prophesied of Messiah but he didn't complete all of the prophecy okay and you'll often see that like for the people who say well there was a virgin in Isaiah's time that it gave birth to a son and they called him a manual but that's okay that doesn't you know the that wasn't as fully complete complete as what it is with Christ so you'll often see that because how else do you know if you think about it. How else do you we know that a prophet is a false prophet unless the prophecies are fulfilled in his lifetime it? You're not going to stone him if he's already dead right <hes> <hes> if you have a a profit from that says okay two thousand years this is going to happen that prophecy stays true until all two thousand years and so <hes> you know that would be the way to to examine it is to have a prophecy see that you can compare against look these these prophecies were fulfilled literally than those would be so. I don't think it's a problem well clearly. I didn't think about at the time I was trying to listen and understand and I was doing something but <hes> you know I still thinks this is going wanted to come. I mean if that argument regarding that prophecy he's still got the same problem if he believes that's a messianic prophecy. Any believes that Fini's fulfilled that then then wouldn't entice nice kiss be the messiah well or you know or or you throw it out as a messianic USS gannet prophecy but another option but that doesn't negate all the other prophecies regarding Christ even if you did that. I don't see how yeah I guess now think about it that doesn't it's not consistent but <hes> but it it brings up another interesting thing in regards to what you said just real quick and then I'll let meals go in regards to Herman Article Interpretation Interpretation We see <hes> your your stock about the different proxies in how they don't mean they mean something then and then they mean something in the future future it got me thinking about when Paul references repeatedly different scriptures in the Old Testament out of context <hes> and throws them in random areas and and it makes sense in the context of what he's saying but it doesn't make sense in the context of what he pulled it out of a a lot a lot of times out. How do we reconcile that yeah and there are? I don't know which ones you might be thinking of with Paul but if you look in the book of Matthew Matthew gives a number of references to the Old Testament and some of them are a really problematic okay and you know so some would see problematic where he says a virgin shall conceive embarrassed assigning calls near manual 'cause some would see an issue there and <hes> but the one that is is more interesting with it is in Matthew Chapter two it says in verse thirteen gene now they went into part of the beholden angel of the Lord came to Joseph in a dream said rise and take the child and his mother and flee to Egypt and remain there until I I tell you for Herod is about the search for the child and destroy him and he rose and took the child by night and departed to Egypt and remain there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what the Lord spoke had spoken by The prophet quote out of Egypt left I will I called my son now. That's really interesting why because if we go to Hosea chapter eleven in verse one here's that context when Israel was a child I loved him and out of Egypt. I called my son and so in Hosea this is referring to the nation of Israel and in Matthew. This is referring to the person of Christ Christ. Now this is this is one and by the way I mean like if if the people who wanna say there's contradictions in the Bible and stuff like that I always find it interesting take ones. They're so easy to answer like a one verse. It says to you know to blind people were healed and the other one. It's one blind person salutes contradiction no this one's mentioned too and there were two and the other writers only focused on the one of the two like that's not hard to answer. These are actually the the ones if if I was if I was a professor gay theus these are the one side co two. These are a little bit harder but because there's this is the thing that you end up seeing one. There is we do see here that it seems like you said out of context K now. We're going to say okay if if God is going to give this new a new meaning he can do that if he if he understood a meaning. We didn't know he can do that but when we look at this passage is like this I and this is where we get into some of our differences. If you're dispensational covenant or or wherever you may be on this because some of us are going to interpret these things a little different based on backgrounds so I believe that you interpret first so we're gonNA take who's Ahah passage we I interpret that in light of what he's saying here and so here he was speaking of Israel and if we keep reading they're they're talking about sacrifices and things like that so clearly. He's speaking of Israel calling them out now. How do we reconcile that with? What Matthew says well? There's a couple of ways to reconcile this. That are kind of easy to do. One Matthew doesn't tell us which prophet he was referring to and not all of the Prophets for example Matthew. Matthew is going to refer to it. AH PROPHECY THAT JESUS WOULD BE NAZARENE. We don't have that in the Old Testament. What profit was he referring to so there were profits that they knew of oral prophecies that weren't part of scripture or prophets that may have said way more than they wrote wrote in scripture and people know what was attributed to them and so that is one possibility in some of these okay and the one where we don't have any record in the old testament well that that would be the assumption is he's referring to a prophet that they were aware of having said that and by the way that one is a little problematic because it's referring to a Nazar right versus a Nas- right vow and so he's a Nazarene because he was born in Nazareth but many would think of it that he's a Nas- right because there is a Nazareth vow that you look at Sam Samson as an example he held to the Nazareth vow he so worried was supposed to and so the Nasdaq vow had a couple of things? You're not talk to drink anything from the vine so no no wine. You're not to touch anything dead and you're not to cut your hair now. Most people didn't do that vow for Life Paul all did that and you know Samson we see so it was around back and Samson's time and he was a nas- right as well. Jesus was called Nasr rate for living in Nazareth. Maybe I mean that's the context there but he probably we think was also Nazareth. Vow <hes> which is why the pictures you see of Jesus. He has long hair so I would say with this one it is it's a little bit harder to reconcile reconcile a unless maybe out of Egypt I called my son is something that was commonly known by one of the prophets that didn't write that down or one of the other prophets that didn't read scripture not sure 'cause here. Matthew doesn't tell us and so these are ones that we he ended up saying okay. We're GONNA take this. We ultimately we look at this and say well because we we accept that the New Testament is inspired by God then with God writing inspired scripture then it is going to be accurate because God can't lie hi so we may not fully understand it and so that's how I you know. Each one of mine have to look. I don't know which ones from Paul you're thinking enough but I know the ones in Matthew are an I actually knew someone he did his doctorate thesis on <hes> just on these prophecies in Matthew and he he went through each one of them and had had given a lengthy lengthy like each one of these he had books worth of <hes> explanation for and he sent me the full document his full dissertation was like Oh like nine nine hundred plus pages on each one of these so I could go. Try to look that up and get an answer but I don't know I'm reading all nine hundred pages cody during during this time of the show just saying does that help you at all or did I just get even more confused. No no that was great. That was helpful. They're Nice New Year outside in nature. I hear the birds indeed thanks now all right Andrew. You're next in here didn't know if you have any questions for us tonight or for me. Since it's just me I do actually could I have you. Your volume is up. I think right note isn't there we go. I'm sorry I'm trying to think of the phrasing watching another of events clips with the ammon-ra or aronoff demanding scientific evidence for God and then losing his mind. I guess I was wondering what scientific evidence would why he would mean by scientific evidence into seems to me. That's a word you can just throw something behind the evidence so there's a reason that you get people like him doing this one because it is an impossible question. It's a logical fallacy man therefore it sounds like we have science on our side and you just have faith faith and that's how you want to sound but let's break down the question and examine it so I I defined science while science is the study of the material world the natural world right. Yes let's define God. God is a spirit sure it that means he's immaterial is not made of material things therefore it is impossible to use science chance to study anything that's immature. You can't use science to prove. I love my wife. Yes that science has limits for example. The example I always give is say we could use science. The prove everything I say okay crew meet scientifically that George Washington was the first American President and they have to appeal to history well. That's a different branches study. you see though I try and guys myself yet yeah and so we're we're gonNA use for for something like that. We're GONNA use history well. If we're going to be the nature and the the the immaterial will now now. We're going to get into philosophy because that's that's study. If you WANNA be again do of God then we're going to get into religion and we're going to use that branch of study because each of these branches study now when we get into religion can I from a religious religious studies show objectively that which religion is true. Yes I can objectively and you may have heard me do this before Andrew but for for maybe some new listeners viewers there's only two religions in the world. There's a man made religion in the divine religion case dot setup in the one that men's set up and so the question is how do we judge which one is manmade in which one is the one that God wants us to do and the way to do that is to recognize one simple thing about human nature. We always add our efforts to everything so we can get claim some credit well. That's what we have and end up. Having is the fact put that the you can you can look at any religion and say okay if you add human works now. I know we have our Catholic friends. Who are are watching? This is where I'm going to say. They have a man made religion because they have faith faith plus works once you add that human work that's manmade. If you have Islam one good deed counts for <hes> <hes> ten bad deeds well then you have works. If you WANNA do Second Temple Judaism the you can look at that and say okay that is doing Torah doing the law so you end up having these different things that you look to say. Is there human effort it added any religion where human efforts added manmade done. What's the only one that doesn't have manmade? That's in that category. It's biblical Christianity Org. God does all the work at the cross again. Now I now objectively examine this and abjectly say which category every religions in now that tells us which religion is true <hes> you could argue from philosophy and the the philosophical argument would be to examine Ken you even reason about there being a God without first having an ability to reason no you can't you need the ability to reason I <hes> okay if we we have an ability to reason this is what he'll donor stand of the cart when he said I think therefore I am he was being the ultimate skeptic. Any people should read the history of that. They we know that quote and quote proves that God doesn't exist and they don't even know that's that's a faust it's wrong because that's the thing he was trying to prove off in his skepticism is that God doesn't exist and in that what he ended up realizing his I think therefore I am. I think the fact fact that I think means that I have being the fact that I'm being means. God exists. I think R._E._M.. Was the carts argument for for the existence of God he the fact that we have an ability to reason requires God yep right because chemical reactions cannot produce then ability to reason chemical reactor are right right now if we're going to argue from a creation science perspective <hes> and now this isn't so much an argument for God. This is an argument against <hes> evolutionist view of a big bang. You only have a couple options for the beginning of the universe either. The universe always always existed the universe created itself. I'm one or something created the universe those three three options Einstein proved that the universe had a beginning so it could turn okay so that's science proving that <hes> logically it couldn't have created itself because to create itself it. I must exist. This is the reason that anytime talk to an atheist and they want to argue they always argue from the the beginning of the universe having already existed or life already existing they don't ask question of the origin of it because that's where they have a problem when you get into the origin of the universe it did have a beginning and it's logically impossible that created itself off because I have to exist. So what do we have well. The only thing we have left is someone or something created the universe and the question is what is that someone or something well. That's where we're going to look into philosophy. We're GONNA look into religion and realize the only plausible answer is got because <hes> whatever created the universe is what we're calling God because that is the Creator Ultra Okay so which God God that's where we go into religion and we use my to religion argument so it's pretty good yeah so that's how I would I would do that. He James Watkins. Are you seeing the chat in here. No I don't see the Chad breath because someone's telling you that there's a website. That is available for you to go grab right now is it. Is it five Sola Five Solos. Yes it is I'll I'll send it to you. Okay we're going to have to we got to purchase another domain name <hes> because we got our glory to God alone tracks today and shelby typed in the wrong web address so I've got to go purchase that domain so it wasn't that right before I had so okay you know you know the CDs that I used to have that they say <hes> <hes> <hes> most important message over here yeah so when they first reprinted it was done incorrectly someone put striving for eternity unity's ministry fraternities dot org and so I go by that domain as a lot of eternity yet there there were a lot of eternity yeah well. She put five Sola ministries and not five Solas so I was like well I guess worse signs of happened happened in the world would as long as that was available. Hopefully you know and so not somebody will be getting In someone know who's calling me and should be actually in here so I'm just telling him. Hey don't be calling me gay person talking about Arnold Ross <hes> the whole issue of he won't scientific evidence to the thing about that is whenever you ask them for the origin of wife itself they never can tell you where it originated from rather they go ahead and start with life itself so whenever they can give a scientific explanation for what actually calls life in general without appealing to life I then I think we can get on the same level of Plainfield. Oh that's good to know that you're paying attention when I said that he was busy printing t shirts. I'm planning a trip to Ohio right now so yeah all right so actually why you eat together that shied the clip that was the I'm talking about say that again. What do you mean the evangelist T._V.? It has okay yeah. It's not that clips. If you WANNA get on watch sky watch it. It's on Channel <music> Arn raw is <hes> the there's some atheist I I don't mind debating <hes> I mean there's <hes> <hes> Matt Matt. We're going to be doing it with the the death in in mass family. He and I are supposed to be in Texas <hes> this weekend and you know the we're going to try to set up to meet with <hes> Matt Dillon honey which would be great fun. <hes> Nedal Matt Donte. I'd have no problem having a debate and dialogue with <hes> David Smalley. You know there's a lot of guys like that but are in raw is just he's not. He's not reasonable. He's not he just he. All it is is an a lot of emotional appeal and talking over for people as definitely what it is a grid and the is yeah and the guys who follow him love it but there's I mean there's people look there's some Christian. I'm not going to make excuses. There's some Christians that do the same thing and and there's people that just throwing me you know <hes> before the Tigers you know or or put blood in the water they just they think that's the best and they think someone make great arguments but the people who actually debate and they listen it's like so you didn't actually make an argument there you just really loudly and with a lot of emotional appeal and and wouldn't let anyone else talk and that's actually not debate while he gets really suppose like unlike moderated debates to where he can't mental rupture talk over he really gets -sposed hollered L. had had one win. That tyler did really well in where he couldn't interrupt him every two seconds. That's the thing and do that. I'm going to be having a debate with a guy and it's coming up in September twenty ninth and that debate is going to be and I love this. I mean I. I was thrilled that they asked for this to be the topic. <hes> is secular humanism humanism better than Christianity. I was like no you think about it right now. I'm not gonNA give away well well. You know you have to define what better is because there's a delay with you. Andrew Sorry Yeah sorry <unk> getting with you to just had my line fixed. It's because it's going all the way down under in Australia and coming back and and you know it's amazing that something we've got the N._B._A.. With amazing with the flatter because I see the light coming in through the window over you and near the earth is flat so it's a house that do that. That's amazing. The district without the Russia national is taking up people in big thirty one in going right up into the thing and you actually see the coast yet well well there. Are there are some ways. Actually I had a guy in church. I used to attend he got really into flat earth and he was all in two of the other pastors. Just said they were like Andrew. Can you 'cause I was I was on my way out of the church and we're going to another church hurts to help plant one and I literally two of the guys who are like. Could you talk to this guy. He's starting to get into this and he wasn't starting he. He was full on. I mean he convinced his cousin and so he was full on and I was like Oh because usually when they're full on it's hard but this guy was. He's a he's a teachable guy. which is the main difference a lot of the guys who believe that stuff just aren't teachable he he is and he's just got a sweetheart and and <hes> so he doesn't WanNa be deceived? He wants to know truth and so I gave him an experiment he could do to show with the earth is flat or not. It's very simple things things that you could do anywhere if you have a mountain range by you just go to the mountain range at like sunrise because if you think about America range if the if the sunlight is coming in a circle okay then the light is GonNa hit us hit the mountain range on a vertical and come across vertically so so we've got to do is go to the Marines watch sunlight if the Sun Co if the light comes from the top of the mountains down horizontally then it's coming over a sphere because it's a rotation if it's going in a in a promotion over a disc then it's going to be vertical so you can do that. If you want another experiment you go to the Ocean Josh at Sunrise and is you watch the sunrise standing up and and you see you go and then quickly fall to the ground and Eric Snow. It's reversed watcher from the and then you stand up. If you watch it when you're low and you stand up you get to see to sunrises I actually did that because I was in Florida and trying to get a a sunset trying to get the picture of the sunset and I I'm sitting there at the camera and I realized I missed that there was this great spot papa. They're a cloud just kind of got in the way so what I did was I quickly fell to the ground and took the picture from there another second or so to get the video that I wanted so simple experiment you know and you their argument. They usually have for flat. Earth is the fact act that way you could do if you go on like a day over water is only works over water by the way but we can only see I forget how many miles six or seven miles because the curvature of the earth and yet there are times when we can see further you know like fourteen miles. How do you explain that or the actual thing is and you watch any of these flatter things explaining this? They will always say you could do this. Experiment do it on a fall day day. Why does it have to be a full day though I mean because if the earth was flat we should be able to get any time not just first thing in the morning on a full day but see on the thing in the morning on a fall day with the water temperatures because that's what it has to do with when the water temperatures are warmer than the air temperature temperature as as you start to see you see the light actually Benz and reflects around the curvature of the earth and you can see further you do that same experiment that a different time of the year or different time of the day and it doesn't work if it was at if sorry go ahead if you're still there is if the disc it's GonNa not gonNA knock at enroll guy like that finger? It's not gonNA go disc. It's GonNa go like this with no see the the flat Arthur's believed that the earth is is a disc that doesn't move at all. It's the son that moves around not the earth and it doesn't spam yeah. They believe the earth is destroyed. He was Catholic so that doesn't count right. Oh No. I just said that far Catholic traditionalist that's that that got him in all sorts of hot water with the Catholic Church didn't it did because because of the fact that you know when against what they thought what the what the present day scientists believed Yep okay conflicted Catholic traditionalist is giving us a question and let me answer. I didn't see this earlier so forgive me <hes> his question is you said you'd be debating some ju by by the way <hes> Catholic traditional stuff. I forgot your first name. Sorry but the term Jew is actually a derogatory name casino <hes> so so many Jewish people don't like being called a Ju <hes> just just you know people don't always know that <hes> so <hes> he said when will when will the debate be. I watch it live <hes>. Would it be a next week on apologize live. It will be done here in politics live when we have that debate. <hes> haven't set up with him. When <hes> and I emailed them haven't heard back <hes> he did ask me to give a phone call so I guess <hes> when I get back from Texas I will be looking to give them a call aw and try to set that up that will be an interesting debate? I'll I don't like that's one. I it's going to be hard for me to do some of the prep for that. I just don't we know how to prep for that and one of the things is that we've you know if folks who who are familiar who follow Lemay on online <hes> on facebook and stuff twitter <hes> I put out on twitter and facebook that we're having we're moving our email and and so <hes> from one G. Suite account to another and so we have no email which means I've you know if you've been emailing any of us at striving fraternity fraternity. We didn't get <hes> so <hes> we got someone in chat saying he's got a question on believer's baptism well the thing to do you is to join us and ask and so I'll I'm going to drop the link right in here but you can always go to apologetic live dot com. That's the link to were you find the link to join and what I'm looking for is to answer. Our Catholic friends debate <hes> question about the debate. I'm looking looking for the email so I can tell you what the debate was supposed to be. What is what is supposed to be about <hes> Um and I'm just trying to go through mail but we have a ton of mail here and so this is William who are contacted to try to debate Matt Slick <hes> he wants to debate on purgatory purgatory okay so this was the debate topic? This person wants to debate Judaism versus Christianity and he said Rabbinic Judaism <hes> <unk> side would argue reincarnations true is a truth while there were going to agree so I don't think there's much debate and and then the other is that there's no eternal hell well. I've debated that topic before we could do with that. I could argue from the Old Testament now the one I don't know and this is where if we're debating this I don't know how to answer but he says we come back as animals. I don't even know the context there to be able to say yes or no to that <hes> and then he wants to argue Isaiah seven hundred fifty three is not proved does not prove Christianity <hes> that'd be interesting because no one said that that's proof of Christianity we would say the resurrection is so yeah. I don't know <hes> Jason. I've taken out of fifty three five <unk> yeah well that would be that. Would that would prove that the new testament you know that there's prophecy that was fulfilled but I think the resurrection is what crews Christianity <hes> you know as as Paul makes the argument bear they are in <hes>. I WANNA say Romans Fifteen or first Corinthians fifteen forget which a Jason Manning is asking. Where is the slick stor <hes> so a Jason you you came in a little bit late but if others came in late <hes> and Charlie's here maybe he may know more information but <hes> Mats Mats <hes> brother-in-law a law passed away this week and so he is <hes> wrapped up? I have not spoken to him. I talked to him yesterday. Forbid have not heard from him at all today so I we we started the show not knowing if if he was going to be here not <hes> I didn't want to wait around 'cause he may not have his phone on him. He hasn't been sleeping much this past week so and then he had the death of his brother-in-law so <hes> he he's. He's not doing well. <hes> Charlie is came in. I don't know if you have any more that you know if you heard more from that no I messaged him and I called him and went to voicemail so I've had the same four four messages voicemail immediately no response to texts next so yeah we did it a little. Maybe keep praying. They send him a letter rise snail mail you sent him a letter by snail mail and you're expecting a response back. No not at all no we have I seen at the other day when it his wife posted about the passing so we sat down and wrote wrote a letter notice trying to be a little bit more personal about it tough loss okay so <hes> we have. I am not sure from going to pronounce the name right in in chat a really oh think is your naming. You're saying that you're <hes> you're not sure how Google hangouts works <hes>. You said you're reformed baptists. <hes> you love the ministry grace and peace. I'm trying to look what the credit you said you had a question. I <hes> believer's baptism. I just don't know what the question is so. I can't answer it <hes> but if you do want you to join you just go live dot com. There's a link to join you. Click on it. It brings up the Google hangout and if you know if you're on a phone it automatically I use your phone and often the camera and the Mike from the phone if not you need to have a mic of some kind not necessarily a camera but something that to talk through yeah so so someone is saying that I would not be post mill <hes> I think I don't think and Mr Slick is I'll so <hes> I would be pre. Tribulation Pre <hes> supreme millennial pre tribulation is my position. I'm not dogmatic on a lot lot of these things. Matt has very interesting on mill view. So if you're familiar with Matt Slick he's got <hes> on Karm and I'm sure Charlie's going. I pull this up before I even say it because Charlie's just that quick but he's got a a an article that he often references on <hes> the to to this world in the world to come and so that's where really that article helps in understanding his where he came about in his view view his arm Mellberg what throws a lot of people off with Matt's view of mill is he has some pre millennial views as well mixed into in other words Matt believes a future for Israel and that is something that most all mills do not <hes> and so met comes to the Scriptures and he sees that and and with a lot of stuff. It's not so easy to work out his future to us and we think we got it all figured out but we don't always and so <hes> <hes> just like the first coming everyone thought at that time they had the first coming as the only coming and it turned out that there was another and so oh yes yes so charlie posted that it's a it is dot org it is an examination of this age and the aged come on millennialism. That's the title of it so if you WANNA go search that that will give you matt's view clearly. I disagree with that but you know it's a thing I have more concern. I mean Matt Ni- disagree on that. You don't see us have a problem with it and this is the thing a lot of people they just can't get along with people that have different views if an in time seriously we don't get along on that. That's not a big like yeah. There's bigger bigger issues like different houses but I didn't hear you Andrew. I'm sorry sorry different tests split different hairs to split. Yes no no no I was agreeing with you just like bigger fish to fry like <hes> like where these people are going to spend eternity. It's a little bit more prominent than me than antibes not saying I'm not saying it's not important but I think too. I think we make it a very traum airy a lot of times when it was very secondary we Louis James can you can you say that again. I think it sounded like folks. Maybe you could tell me it sounded like James said he agrees agrees with me on something that James See again. I agree with you on a lot more than I than I admit that is going to B.. M. Clipping that. I'm grabbing that James. You're really going to enjoy <hes>. What are we even doing here podcast and <hes>? I think you're GONNA enjoy my my next podcast that I did. I had Jamal on your two guys. Who are who've been on your show regulars and dinner we talked about your five Solas podcast and you know they they've both have been guests on there unlike me and well hey I I do need to have you on from series for August at some point on evangelizing the colts you know I think the first guy you you said you wanted to have on as a guest so I was like the first guy you said you wanted to have on as a guest waiting just Edward? Which one do you WANNA? Do you WanNa do you WANNA do. cadillacs look will look well. I think for Catholics you get traditional Catholic Catholic come on what he believes. You guys could just like okay there. You Go folks works aviation there you go but but I mean you we did schedule for me to come on and use some. I mean some lame. Excuse like deathly grandmother. I mean yeah I wanted evidence like I'm like an airline like show me the proof Gimme obituary you know will hold on just a second okay just just took a picture of it is coming to you coming. I thought you were going to put it on for everyone to see here well. I'm on my phone so I don't know how to how to use it. How do you use your phone really know how much you just let me know whenever you get? Nobody I haven't gotten I even opened up the open it up so that way you can see that I was officiating. Why also done there how you sent it so well? It's over yeah okay well. I didn't get probably text the wrong number the number of the second ago saying five Solo Dot Com Ville and now that you said that someone's going to grab it and then charge twice well. It's not letting me you james hold on a second. I just have to go to my can't over here and I mean real quick filming that I need to get to a link to the Gospel tracks so all right so that came through you know there's there's a grandmother other. The only problem is I find it hard to believe the actually be related to her. She looks like a very nice nice looking woman and then there's you well she. She's about she's about ninety well. She was not a euro ninety years old so she aged very well so well all right so Melissa. You're in here you came in. I don't know if you have any questions I edited you to the idea of question. Can you hear me yes we can. That was your question. That was easy to answer sir. I was thinking about <hes> well. It says you shall not kill in the <hes> in and <hes> taking on the Senate but then in the Old Testament got toast before they kill fee for us. I'm like isn't that contradiction. No it doesn't a vashon knock. Hill is not murder for there is the difference between murdering and killing so you you can kill someone. Capital punishment would be killing <hes> so when you have a case of murder it it. Is You know th there's it. It's basically whether it's just killing or not adjust killing so their capital punishment when got were or warfare so y'all just looking. I'm glad she asked that question. Andrew I was just looking at my Hebrew Lexicon ex-con and it was showing me there that the Hebrew has thou shall do no murder <hes> and then the explanatory note would be the unnecessary taking king of an innocent life would qualify as doing murder and that was forbidden yeah and so the difference is the motive in warfare affair that that could be adjust killing in capital punishment that could be a just killing in self defense that is just killing but when you take a life in an unjust way <hes> so it comes down to the reasons why the motive then that becomes murder so it's that distinction that makes and you'll hear this often Melissa by people that are <hes> eight professing atheists and like who are trying to argue against <hes> <hes> UH argue against Christianity they they say oh see got bills and yet he says that shall not kill he says <unk> murder right. That's that's an unfortunate English way of putting the expression which is a lot more precise when you look at it. They had the ASO's stakes good question. Thank you all right so anyone else here have some questions tonight and folks those who are watching live. If you have a question just go to apologize live dot com you can join us in the hang now. I know some people had some questions in the chat and you can certainly do that. I still never got a a real question about he said city had a question about believer's baptism but I never saw the question. If any of you guys saw it just let me know I've I've got an observation on believer's baptism. Okay yeah I know for one thing and an unbeliever river gets baptized will end up all wet and that's about it. Let's so let's deal with one thing <hes> as folks know who watch regularly met slick would be a Presbyterian. I'd be a Baptist we would have a differing view when it comes to baptism on the mode of baptism and who do get baptized now matt would be in favor of infants being baptized. I would not however her. This prizes folks. There are some people who say to Presbyterians what you don't believe in a believer's baptism false mats for example is most Presbyterians all presbyterians. I know do believe in a believer's baptism in other words. If you have an adult who who who becomes a Christian they would get baptized as a believer not as an infant in so there there is distinction that people I think believer's baptism as a bad name for it okay reasons because the fact that's really what people are trying to make a difference of is the infants being baptized as part of a covenant relationship. They're not being baptized is to save them. They're not being baptized in Presbyterian view. They're not being baptized. Infants <hes> to to wash away sin the baptism his view of the Presbyterian such as like Matt would have would be that they are baptized into a covenant relationship with God's not that they're saved but they're part of a family that of believers and they're they're going to reward you. Get the some of the benefits of that and it's just a covenant sign of that and that's not salvation now there are some who would say that that child would go to heaven if he dies up until some age of accountability and then he's on his own okay is that there would be some differences but when we say believers back his them it would be a baptism that is for people who are believers will presbyterians withhold to that as well and and so really oh says well. I was just wondering how does a dispensationalist analyst come to Credo Baptism just asking out of curiosity in a friendly manner which is good because sometimes you know when we talk about baptism. You can't really talk about that in a friendly manner with some people <hes>. I'm trying to look on her. I like debating whether are WanNa say what I'm looking for in Karm to see if I can get there before <hes> my friend Charlie because he doesn't know what I'm looking for. Okay well aw I did get to it. I I was looking for Credo Baptism on Karm to see if he had something and I figure Charlie now give the links and he has one paragraph. That's it so third enough. Credo Baptism is the practice of baptizing. Only those who are are able to make a profession of faith the word Credo comes from the Latin creed which is right Credo Baptism is also called believe Baptism Credo Baptists maintain that it is improper to baptize infants since there is no account in scripture where back infant baptism are infants infants baptized Creole Baptist would also practice baptism by immersion now. Let me point something out with you. If you take a look at that Article Matt has anchor what what I've just said Matt's view would not be in Credo Baptists and yet he can accurately re explain what it is now. He doesn't doesn't give a whole lot of detail there. I bet he's got a link. Here also related NATO Baptists. If that has more yup there we go. There's like what three eighty four five five paragraphs so too much to read but he might be a little bias there but a couple things to point out one. His definition is accurate. I prefer the term Credo Baptist or credo baptism because of the fact that what you see see there is as Matt says it's based on a cred- a profession of faith and so the baptism is not to save person. It's not too. It's not even to bring them into a covenant relationship with God. I would say that happens when the Holy Spirit into the minutes of that covenant so I would argue that baptism is an our site when an inward change and that is why we ended up having people give their testimony. That's the creed. That's the announcement of what happens. If so it's their testimony and now in a Presbyterian church I can't speak for all Presbyterian churches but at least the one that I was in when someone had a believer's baptism in other words they became a believer and was baptized <hes> Be Clear on that and so that's something that you want to be clear on with with the terminology so I would hold to Credo Baptist. I actually like Credo. Baptism is a better term than believer's baptism if that answers the question really oh <hes> and so that's where I would end up holding <hes> and I'm glad I'm glad this is a good example where you could see you know just because Matt doesn't hold to a position on his website. He can accurately define fine a position he doesn't hold to this is hard for some people to do. It seems <hes> but yeah it is good to do that so a really. I hope that answered your question. I don't know I'm GONNA look into chat here to see if the head anymore I guess you're you said you're wondering does it. dispensationalist does come come Credo Baptism <hes> I. I'm guess I'm not understanding completely the issue <hes> dispensational Elizabeth is a way of interpreting scripture and if they coul- method and therefore it's it's not like most people think systematic axiology so Andrew. Just GonNa meet you because we're getting feedback from me. If you WANNA meet yourself later that's fine but <hes> so I hope that answers your question Charlie really do you have any questions came in. I should've asked you if you had any questions I know and you did a fair representation of Matt's view of the pitcher baptism as well yeah I. That's the thing that I think people tried to do that. I pride myself on pride in a good way not a simple but I try to <hes> to represent other people's position well. I think that's why Matt and I can get along. Even where we disagree is. There's things we don't agree on but we understand each other's definitions definitions and how we come to those conclusions <hes> insert really Oh is saying <hes> me too but but no it doesn't see okay. Thanks a lot like your <unk> harmony video so all right well. That's good we have mentioned what he's referring to. We have classes on how to interpret the Bible that you can get at striving for turnage yet or Gee. If you go to the Academy Academy page <hes> we have the mall on Youtube see quantum for free. We have twenty lessons on how to interpret the Bible called the School of Harmony Ethics and that's what he's referring to that he enjoyed enjoyed and that helps people to understand how to interpret the Bible just some basic tools to help you with that so you can check that out. I've just added Chad print more. He is one of our newest podcasters. He's actually was had to his podcast around for awhile on on the Christian podcast community he just wasn't putting out episodes for all but not not to worry. He still beat Justin Peters. WHO's had the podcast casts up for like a year almost in hasn't started yet but he's starting sued so Chad Welcome? Thanks Andrew. Can you see me. I can't tell if it's working working right now. Yeah we can see you. I mean there's light behind you and so you you look a little bit more money. You know that's good. That's good effect for you. It's better than if you making your head glow and then it would look like you're an angel. We wouldn't want that right. What's up so Chad? You're you got a new podcast. You've just dropped three episodes on the way radio. Oh it goes subscribe to that. Why don't you want? Let's talk a little bit about your podcast. I was I was thinking of bringing needed up. I was had someone on my on one of my podcasts the so you WanNa be a podcast or podcast and she's very involved in celebrate recovery three and I was just like Oh. Here's a new podcast. You should check out and not geller. What do I tell her what it's about <hes> and that I don't want it to be a lot of what the podcast addresses because <hes> my hope in this podcast is to really provide inspiration from God's word really edify you know the saints to Share The Gospel with people that don't know the Lord <hes> but obviously we do have to engage age in a apologetic when necessary unexposed the unfruitful works of darkness and <hes> Aydin this Recovery Ministry for ten ten or twelve years now and it's just amazing how many Christians think that alcoholics anonymous and celebrate recovery <hes> while they think alcoholics anonymous was Christian Christian in its origins <hes> because somewhere along the line? Somebody said it was and nobody ever really checked but if you really look at how it was founded it was it was founded got it through a lot of occult practices a lot of <hes> spirits spiritualism just strange stuff that the founder actually communed with demonic demonic unexperienced via Luigi Board so there's all kinds of weird stuff and in the writings of alcoholics anonymous directly contradict the Gospel Jesus Christ claiming that as you work the day program and the staff you'll receive forgiveness of sins. You'll be reconciled with your Creator but Jesus is no part of it so it's <hes> it's a spiritual train rack and then celebrate recovery came along through Saddleback Church fifteen or twenty years ago and they took the twelve steps of alcoholics anonymous try to make them Unchristian by mixing in some Bible verses and the beatitudes from the sermon on the Mount and then marketed as a Christian recovery program but it's still just the twelve steps of a it's void of the Gospel and and my opinion celebrate recovery is actually more dangerous than A._A.. Because with A._A.. <hes> you know what is celebrate recovery is claiming to be Christian but it's actually not so you know I've had people that have contacted me who are Christians that have gone through a period of backsliding. They've got a D._U._i.. And they've had to go to the court in the court has demanded that they attend a twelve step meeting program and they'll say hey listen either go to a or celebrate recovery. What should I do and I go to A._A.? You know it's evil. It's right there in front. It's very the easy to see what's going on. It doesn't have the sinister subtlety it celebrate recovery has and <hes> yeah. I just had to show that with somebody this morning morning on facebook is trying to promote CR somebody that was looking for help yeah. So you know the thing is you're. You're also pastor there in Idaho Oh and so you know you have your messages and your sermons things like that so and maybe I'm going to throw this question out to you as well we got someone gave a super chat so folks that may not not a super chat is a super chat is folks who are watching live on the video on Youtube. There's a little dollar sign button. You Click that and you can donate money. That money goes to Karm Dot Org I want. I want clarity so people know we we host this arrangement. We have with Karm <hes> they get all the money and we pay for the show. That's sort of how it is but no the wait is as we <hes> we wanted to be able to monetize and because of <hes> something that we had we can't on driving fraternity we don't monetize monetize and so calm does so we do the videos on there so that the money can go to Karm. I say that to say if you want to help striving fraternity attorney who actually owns the shown pays for the show <hes> that you could do if you go to striving for eternity dot org slash donate and donate their and that's how you could get money for for us to help put on the show but Justin gave ten dollars and I love this first part of it. He goes my wife. The four week old son and I are watching tonight who needs cable okay. We could just stop there just in an agree. You know it's so much more stimulating than the Kardashians. There's just there's just a little more depth. I don't even know who they are. You're okay so so okay I forget where I was and someone like sets me. There's so so Kardashian Mike who's that you know who the Kardashians are no no. I don't and they said there's some reality TV show. I'm like well. Why don't so yeah I? I'm pop culture alert. What can I say but the thing is that we end up seeing is <hes> you really don't need cable T._V.? To get good wholesome family entertainment you could you could just come here and so we're here Thursday nights eight o'clock eastern time to ten so <hes> so here's this question and he says is there scripture that we can reference for the activities we will participate in in heaven as we worship the Lord and so I don't know where you go Chad. I'm thinking I'm just looking at revelation twenty one and twenty two and looking at those the idea <hes> also that we would see where Christ speaks of a marriage feast <hes> there are some references throughout scripture that we see both old and New Testament meant that we would see some references <hes> but I'm really thinking that if we look at revelation scriptures that talk talk about what we will titties will participate in in in Heaven when we're worshiping the Lord I know <hes> I'm. I'm just trying to look because I forget where exactly is is. I know that it says that we will work that may be to some <hes> so work isn't necessarily early bad. It's just that because of the curse it was changed but there is work that we would do with their work is i. I don't know of of that Mansell. I'm drawing a blank looking for the scripture verse that refers to that. I just read it. <hes> I forget where it is yeah see. This is the thing like you know unless you have the mind like Matt Slick just remembers every little detail of everything you've ever read you know yeah it helped me write the statement of Faith Church a few years ago and we're like writing these his paragraphs explaining what we believe in that he's just providing being the the supporting scripture out of his mind yeah men. Are you even men yeah yeah. It's a question but I agree with you. I think the wedding feast is is the best picture of it <hes> but I think it's one of those things that the Lord left open because in my opinion I don't think are are finite limited. Human minds have the ability ability to comprehend what we're going to be like are glorified state is going to be. I you know when you look at you. Look at the description and it's it's describing what Heavens GonNa look like and I don't think that's what I mean. I think that is the best that God can do you through John to explain it right. You know I don't think he can really put it into words well enough for us to understand it but to think of heaven as really says there's going to be a new heaven and a new Earth Heaven here. The Earth is going to be what it was designed to be before corruption before the fall Paul and I think it's GonNa be fascinating to see 'cause 'cause creation is so beautiful and so amazing in so overwhelming the the creation that we see now that's in a fallen state and that's what I consider quite often what really bums me out being from Southern California growing up surfing as it says there's not going to be a C- see so okay you hit right on the one that my my wife one day I. I don't know if she's in the other room or not. I could get myself in trouble. My wife one day was reading revelation and all of a sudden she goes. Oh like what's wrong. She goes. I just was reading that. There's not going to be a C in Heaven. I'm like okay. What's the big deal about that that she goes? No see means no seafood. Obviously she's the Seafood Lover Youth Soon it the surfing aspect of it which we see the surfboard over your head there but yeah north was very upset but but maybe this will that maybe maybe this will put U.. Es Chat Okay. Maybe because my wife said she realized there may not be a C. But there is a river so she's she's holding out hope that there will be river food instead of seafood yeah and it's the river of life so it's GonNa be massive and so I don't know if you can surf it you know may be really cool waves that you can surf one side and go up the other side and I mean back in heaven to a surfer you just go back and forth yeah. It's it's a that's one of my favorite things just to sit in sort of think about todd friel actually had a he did about fifteen or twenty minute talk a couple of weeks ago on working in heaven have working in eternity like you alluded to what is that going to be like. It's really a fascinating topic to consider and I think it helps a lot of people because I know so growing up in a Christian family. I used to store to get bummed out because I thought heaven was just floating around with angels and how are we gonna do that that forever and sometime to with them <hes> you had to be floating on cloud to yeah okay another question from Jess. How do you respond to a Senlis perfectionist so you've seen this perfectionism? actionism is an interesting one. The book that most of them go to is a very book. I go to when when talking to them because it's the very book that it actually reminds their argument. They go to first drawn now the reason they go to first John Because I john makes it seem pretty clear you are either in sin and you're doing or you can't have any sin. There's you they would they would look at this and say that there's no Easter should be no darkness in you at all and so when you look at that <hes> the the thing you end up seeing is is that you have to. I asked the question anytime you study scripture. You must ask the question of the the first question is what what type of literature the other questions who's the author writing to and why so this is instructional literature written by the Apostle John for the purpose of answering a question of Nazism and narcissism was this this belief that you could anything physical was evil. Anything spiritual was good so nostitz actually didn't believe Jesus Christ came in the flesh flesh. That was one of the problems that's why so many of the writers have to say that Jesus came in the flesh. That's why Jesus had to remind everyone he was the son of man and he was human because they doubted his humanity at the time and so that is something to keep in mind in this book now what were the narcotics dealing Nas were believing that they could do they could there is the arguments they'd make that they could actually go and be with a prostitute and as long as they didn't give their spirit over they were okay. It wasn't sin 'cause they're flesh was doing it not their spirit and they felt that that was not a sin within this is what you end up seeing with the narcissism so he's answering that and if you look at John Throughout the this book of I John He's making everything he speaking speaking of a pattern of life and everything is clear cut. It's either there's all light or darkness. Nothing in the middle and people will turn to Angola see here. This is what he's sang and therefore if you if you say you have sending your life well then you you're not saved but then look at what he says to new believers here this is in first John One all actually so we have context context is always important. I will start art in verse five but the focus we want is eight through ten. <hes> this is the message we have heard from him and proclaimed to you that is God is light and in him is no darkness at all. If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk doc in darkness we lie and do not practice the truth now that stop here in if you remember I I've done this here on this podcast this show I've also done this. I did a episode on my rap report podcast which you should go and subscribe to there's two of them daily and a weekly go but on the weekly one I dealt with the losing your salvation and Idell James to and I go through when someone asks a question and you're going to look at what an answer to it. It's good to know what the question is that they're answering. I mean just basic thinking right. Here's the question John is answering Kay. He says if we say that we have fellowship with Christ and yet were practising were walking darkness so we're saying we're believers but we're walking everything we do at the practice of our life is of the world old then we don't practice the truth. That's the question right that's what he's answering but if we walk in the light as he is in the light we have fellowship fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus. His son cleanses us from all sin now breaking this part down walking in light. This is the pattern so we have a pattern of being with Christ. Okay then what we're GONNA have. We're GONNA fellowship with one another because of what Christ did well the blood of Jesus that cleanses lenses when did that blood get shed back at the cross that means all of its future to over sin is off future to that event vent all for us and so back at the crosses win. The blood was shed so back at the cross is when we are cleansed. I'm from all sin you say but I you know if I sin tomorrow yeah but it was paid for back at the Cross now when when you look at that passage when people try to argue well. It's you know I used to send but now saved. I don't sin the issue. Is that send you used to do in any other. Sin Was all future to the cross when it was paid for but let's move onto the versus we need to look at versus eight I John Verse Chapter Chapter One Verse Eight Nine and ten. If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us if we confess our sins his faithful Nathan just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness if we say we have not sinned we make him a liar in his word is not in US chew categories because this is what they tried to the second category if we say we've not sinned. They'll say oh so that's someone saying they've never sinned. That's who he's speaking of well. He is speaking of that but he's speaking of people who are doing sinful things but justifying those sinful things and he's and they're saying we haven't sinned and make it more clear verse eight where he says if they if we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves. That's Kinda clear a Senlis perfectionist is saying that they don't sin than what scripture says that they deceived themselves and the truth is not in them because we still sin. That's the point of that. That's why we still confess our sins now. They would try to argue that this is dealing with salvation that would be really strange strange when he's speaking to people that he calls in the very next two words from this my little children he speaking to believers why why would he tell believers that they would you know they need to confess their sin and be saved or to make sense so this is the book they go to because they don't understand its context its purpose and why it was written and those are the verses that I would go-to Jess so I hope that answers since we have our pastor here. I'll just ask him if Chad how would you deal with syphilis perfectionism. If if if differently I think you just nailed it beautifully and we actually being here in <hes> the boys year really close to the Northwest Southwest Nazarene University and they have quite a few professors out there that claim that they've never sinned. It's part of that denomination <hes> but I think your explanation of it was about the best that I've ever heard I always I like to go to Romans three to three twelve known seeks after God known no one understands. It's such a great picture. The fact that we're all sinners we all sin <hes> but I I usually just go to the versus that you just spoke up right there and just try to break down on the way that you broke it down and show that and I it's one of those arguments that I struggle with because I don't want to sound arrogant but it it just seems like such a ridiculous statement for and I've I've dealt with within the last couple of weeks with someone who just they said. I don't send anymore. You know when somebody tells you that it's like. Do you even realize what sin is. I mean even grasp. How prevalent sin is I mean? It's in every fiber of us. It's it's constantly Louis attacking or not attacking something. That's always we're always wrestling with like Paul writes in Romans consent yeah no and what would a lot of them try to do is they wiggle around it by saying it's it's no willful sin and they add this word willful and so the issue is it's not a willful sin in which always gets always puzzled me because there's a question I asked what's in. Were you forced to do right right. I mean every sin that you committed is willful exactly it's. It's not like someone made you do it. You know in God's law is so perfect that and that's what we really got to get across people that one little transgression Shen of that law is a horrific sin in on one one thing that I've I've I think I talked to a couple of young Mormons about this one time. I almost laughed at him because they were claiming that they hadn't seen because I I asked him well if you died right now are you going to heaven what your condition now. Have you done what you need to do to to go. Go to heaven. Have you seen today and these kids are eighteen years old. We've if you'RE A guy you've been eighteen years old. You know how messed discuss your mind can be with. Lust you know so if that kid happens to knock on a door and pretty woman opens is the door that kid just send that you see the argument on making <hes> and I brought that up to them and you could tell that sort of that got them because I told him I said listen and if you've lost it after a woman you've committed adultery in your heart you've committed the sin of adultery and that that has helped me get through to those young Merman missionaries because you know that their minds are very susceptible to lust and the willful argument just to me. It's absurd yeah. You're up in that in Mormon country up there. That's you know so there's a lot of Mormons there who also would would believing this you know I think the kind of funniest as Matt didn't debate with Jesse Monroe and Matt Slick and which was very funny in the sense funny and sad at the same time Matt that was saying that he sends every day and they were gassed and you know I I was watching the video so I couldn't see the audience I saw Matt and that was just like what I mean. Don't you sin and I couldn't see it and I couldn't hear it but Matt said this one woman got up and it was like I don't sin and he's like and he said the whole room because they're all Senlis perfectionist. They were like all claiming they never sin and the irony. Here's the irony of it. They're claiming they don't sin and in in the in the Q._N._A.. There was they were taking questions from the web right. So one of these Senlis perfectionists Skyes who said he doesn't sin is taking questions from the Web and I'm commenting that he's not asking any questions from anybody anybody who disagrees with his Guy Jesse Merle. He's only asking questions from people that he agrees with the question that he they kept wanting matt to answer. They wanted to answer the question of whether Matt Thought Jesse was saved a clear they asked it's three times and they asked asked twice and matt brushed it off because that wasn't part of the debate and so it's very interesting because I'm asking them. I'm challenged him. I'm saying you are being being biased. You're only asking questions that support your guy. I said we have dozens of people here asking questions. You need to ask one of our questions. I I kept asking a question over and over again and so he ends up saying <hes> we have a question here from Andrew Rap report so knowing that Matt knows me Matt's more likely good answer. Do you think Jesse Merle save that was not my question. He lied as telling that he's a he's never that he doesn't sin <unk> Sin. He lied to him and ask the question I did not ask and see online and so I told Old Matt and Matt couldn't believe it. I was like I forget the question now but I said this is the question that I asked and that was like that's not what he said. I was like yeah now. They're being consistent based upon Hebrew sits. He lost his salvation. It can never get it back well they. Some of those guys are because Hebrews six Hebrews ten the the issue that people when they say that those passages are speaking that you can lose your salvation the thing is that if you read those passages if you lose your salvation you you can never be saved again. It says it is impossible if you once tasted of the light to get so if they believe that speaking of losing your your salvation and once you lose it. That's it you're done you can never get it back exactly right Andrew the same word impossible is used of God in that it is impossible impossible for him to lie so yeah they're they're done. They're cooked yeah now. Now what that does is that's why they say they never sin because they'll say once and that's why some say well Wilson the they play games with it at different times why because they have to try to excuse it away. If they're going to hold to Hebrews six he was tend ASSUMPICO. Just ignore that part of Hebrews six ten they say yes. That's speaking that you can lose your salvation but you can lose it in gaining and losing and gaining loosening gain it but there's at one point there will be a time time. You can never gain it back again. What's that time we don't know but that if that's what that pass through speaking of that would say you can never get it again? I think with that passages just speaking of clearly when we look at the context I have a paper on this. If you just do a search for Hebrew six striving for eternity <hes> Dot Org I've a paper on this passage about losing your salvation and I've done a podcast episode with with <hes> John Who's in here <hes> he and I did this <hes> we dealt with this topic and we went through that passage in Hebrews six and what you ended up seeing is that in the context it's talking about false believers much like we're we're seeing I john here people that are in the church claimed to be believers but they're not and they've tasted of the truth because I've sat in Church but they reject at that truth and that's where if we look in in the same book here in First John and we go a little bit further a passage bring up often is i John Chapter Two nineteen which says they went out from among us because they went out from they went out from us but they were not not of us for had they been of us they would have continued with us but they went out from us that it might be playing that that they were not of of us so in other words they went out from among us because they were not believers. There were false converts that stopped pretending and they left us to expose the fact that they were false converts converts. That's what I would say you have there and that's a consistent message. We see in scripture. We see it right in this book that we're looking at earlier so I mean that would be the thing I would see there so I think that I hope that answers that just for you <hes> I'll ask John came in. I don't know John If you have And again it's it's it's it's ridiculous. You know that they don't take the simple words of Christ and say you know we we are secured in our salvation. You know and it's so annoying you know when when you're confronting news kind of people <hes> yeah I I was so frustrated when I watched that Jesse morale debate with Matt and yeah it was it was heresy Galore yeah so just ask the follow up question on on this and it was asked just says do we have to confess our our sins to others. Now are are Catholic friends. Watching here may get a little bit upset with this because <hes> no you don't have FDU unlike with Catholic churches so let's look at the passages that deal with that <hes> James Five sixteen therefore confess your sins one to another another and pray for one another for healing now. This is <hes> James. Five eighteen is one that a lot of people would look to and there you can some people will see <hes> glaciers Zik. If anyone is caught in an transgression you who are spiritual restore him <hes> keep watch over yourself that you're not tempted bear with one another and so some of this is if you're if you're corden transgression. Russian should be confessing it the James Passage when we look at James Again. This is dealing in a passage the James Five Live. When we look at this we're dealing with people who are struggling in prayer okay and <hes> there are times as this passage passageway end up dealing with that and his mind reputation on? Chad may disagree but what I think you have people who are being so spiritually week that that they're in a point. They cannot pray for on their own. They're just so so struggling with <hes> whatever it is with the suffering suffering. Maybe they're sending their life and he goes through. This is where he says. Call Your elders to pray for you. Put Oil on you. The oil is is municipal municipal so if if there's you've been being beaten you're GONNA rub oil into two for the muscles <hes> they were being beaten as Christianity was was being outlawed so there's some of the suffering that would be that way. That's what it says in verse fourteen words. Are there any sick any among you sick. That word actually would be week. Is there any among you week seek so. Many people say oh. If you're sick you call the elders and they they pray over you and input oil. Yes they do that but it's it was the idea here. I think is is that they were they were weak and I think the idea that I see here is that someone was so spiritually week. They can't even prey on their own. I don't know if any of you have experienced yeah. I know I have and I know others who have where you're just. You've gone to a point that you're just you know. I think I actually think I I don't know for sure but Matt Right now is under so much stress. He may be at this point where he's just so weak <hes> I it. There is a point where you can't pray. I've had that happen you just I it's hard to even pray because you're just so so weak from suffering and turmoil and in trials and things like that and so sometimes it is sin though and that's why I think he says therefore confess your sins one to another because in this case if this is your weakness if your your spiritual weakness that is keeping you from prayer is something that's because of sin than than yet confess it why to others we always confess to God. That's what I would say but here confessing to others because the others are coming along side you to pray for you. The whole idea here is that they're gonNA come alongside you and impre where you cannot and I've I've been in the situation where I was just under such <hes> just a very dark time in my life where you know I had I had to leave a church help plant that as in the beginning I was in leadership there and we made a mistake a calling a man who's not qualified and I was just crushed crushed. I didn't want to have to leave and I remember being so weak. I just I literally was with a friend and I could would not pray. I couldn't and I just was like we got together for prayer and I'm like I can't pray. I just don't have words and I said I need you to pray for me and as he started praying for me. I actually felt strengthened when he got done. I was able to pray and I think that's what you see in this in this passage that this is dealing with people who are struggling so spiritually spiritually through suffering turmoil through trials all this tribulation and just completely worn out. I've called it a spiritual depression Andrew. This really helps me because <hes> I know. John's heard me talk about this before but one thing I always tell people about the ministry I run recovery. Reformation is it's an attempt to wake wake the modern church up to the fact that the church in in most instances in the majority of instances is not being the church if the church was being the church search and reaching centers the way it's supposed to reach dinners and acting out prayerfully the way that's talked about here in James Five Thirteen th through twenty. My Ministry wouldn't be needed what happened. The center comes in in a drunk comes into a church. A DRUG ATKINS INTO A church goes up to the pastor says I can't stop shooting heroin snorting coke drinking whatever it is can you help and they said Oh yeah. We've got a twelve step meeting right down the hall. They take him into the twelve step meeting. They never hear the Gospel they may or may not rockets sober. If the church was being the church it would do exactly what talked about right here in this portion of scripture I mean I was writing this down as you were talking about because I thought I need to implement this. This helps explain it. It's amazing how often you can read something in scripture and then it just clicks but this really helps me explain to people what we need to be doing to reach centers whether they're saved or there's somebody like you said that's going through a period of <hes> a prodigal oh period or or a time of backsliding just like you said at time of struggle where you can't pray and I can relate to last year was one of my worst years. I had just to horrific. Nick Situations Happen with with people that just got me to a point that I can relate to what you're sharing. What what I think Matt might be going through as well where you just. Let's get to the point where there's so much going on. You can't pray. It's like you become locked up but this is one of these thing. This is one of the parts of the church. That's missing some much nowadays. <hes> I tell people you know. Alcoholics anonymous does one thing very very well. Embraces Racist People and provides fellowship and churches aren't doing that enough and I think a lot more people would would be set free from sin the depression or the struggles that they're going through. If we acted out James five thirteen through twenty like you were just talking about. It's a beautiful portion of scripture yeah yeah and and we need to you know to that if that's what if it's not okay I'm kidding cody. Hey what's up dude. You say I was GONNA say glorified bodies to have talking about that but you know I'm pretty sure that they probably look like jetted head whenever he was a model in the early nineties but it was an international supermodel but regarding that asking about that later but anyways what I was going. GonNa say about what you're talking about. Confessing your sense to one another. It makes me wonder in in not too thin. My Catholic grants <hes> or this endless perfectionist how serious you agreed you actually are over your personal sense because you gotta understand confession for the Believer Confession for the believer there there is no greater freedom than being known truly no to the heart art level. <hes> your desires all all this week. Thanks it'd be able to to express in a community of people that will still love you. Accept you and and then walk alongside you to to to fight those battles with you like you. Don't you don't know freedom if if if if that's all it is you still in regards to that so like we're the trap was mentioned in twelve steps in and you know were they get it right is that biblical concept of doing that however in that environment the shame and the guilt that comes with those sins <hes> is not absolved and I would argue for that for the Catholic. It's not absolve either right <hes> because you're still gonNA Russell with with shame and guilt inside. If you are truly threes over your sin as a regina person is right the you'll be degree over your sin in such a way that <hes> <hes> that there is no there is only absolution absolute forgiveness in Christ absolute total complete forgiveness. There's only freedom from that shame in that environment <hes> and again I bring it back doc to how serious you take your sin. I mean if you're not you know if if you're holding one of those belief systems and you're not like Luther was was in regards to climbing when he got to that whatever that church was a chapel is going up the steps to the to the tower and he was crawling on his knees. I took as some kind of punishment for himself because he knew how wicked leg. If that's not your thought process regarding your sense I would argue. I bet you don't take the mysterious. God does and I think it comes down to. It's obviously comes comes down to a worldly grief versus godly grief. I preached on us a couple of weeks ago and I saw this or code. He's talking about. I saw it. I heard about it very vividly from my uncle. My uncle is he's Mormon. He's very high up in the Mormon Church. He's been clean and sober for like I don't know forty I five years. He helped me get sober. When I originally got sober Bryant guy he was an admiral in the navy and it was so sad because my appearance went down to Utah to visit him a few months ago and he kept asking him about what I was doing. What church was doing <hes> because him and I have always been pretty close this but we sort of had a distance come between us since I've really gotten into ministry the last ten or twelve years and my mom told him he said we'll just chat still go to meetings. My mom goes no now. She said Chattanooga in a meeting like fourteen or fifteen years you know he's he's rejected all of that. He set free in Christ. My uncle told her he said I still carry around around all the guilt and shame of my drinking you know because he committed adultery. He did a lot of really bad stuff. That's forty five years in the Mormon Church and being sober and the guy still carries that that worldly guilt around you know what I think cody. I think that really it's sort of exemplifies what you're talking about. If I understood you correctly in you know that's the the thing when I when I do open air. I I talked about that guilt because this sund- we don't often talk about how so many people with commission. They know it's wrong. What do they do turn to drugs. Turn to alcohol turn to sex turn to work. Turn to a whole lot of things I try to forget about that you know they turn to religion mormonism or others and you have that because because people are trying to get rid of that guilt that only comes through forgiveness which Jesus Christ. That's how you have it. That's why you don't have that guilt anymore. Are Because Christ forgave you you know this is what the you know folks like this don't understand and is why we we go out and we we do in sharing the Gospel. Preaching is so people can have the forgiveness of sin and experience what Chad you're talking about now. Don't need to go to a meeting anymore. Don't need to worry about this because I'm free in Christ exactly so with that anyone have any other questions for tonight John. Actually I was I wrote. There's something inside there. Oh you did okay so you got topic change so go for slightly topic change. I just want to go ahead and actually <hes> stare with people <hes> how helpful <hes> Andrews Book what do we what do they believe. Believe really helped me a lot and it really you're breaking. Maybe say you're breaking up. Maybe turn your video down okay. Let me turn my camera. Maybe that'll help dragon because I didn't hear what you're saying. Yeah let me try that again. <hes> so many ways. I just want to hug and let the other the listeners dear no that <hes> i. I really recommend if you have not gotten the book. Get what do they believe of. They really helped me out. That book particularly help me out here about three weeks ago. I had G._W.'s <hes> Jehovah's Witnesses come to my house <hes> and it hasn't been there for quite a while and and ever since <hes> the first time they came by <hes> I wasn't prepared it just was not prepared and so so what happened was <hes> they showed up and I for the first time I felt like I was. I was totally prepared to actually confront them and actually talk to them and really get eight of what they were saying <hes> and I it was just such a great conversation tation because once they realize that you know they're dealing with someone who knows the scriptures. They really don't want to be there and so it was just a really great experience. I got to tell them about the Gospel <hes> you know I asked him very pointed questions. I even asked him. I goes Jesus God and they straight up for the first time. I've I've never never ever heard them ever say this but they straight up said no. Jesus is not God and you know and then the immediately I thought about well. What do you think Jesus meant when he says that he <hes> he has the I._m.. You know is like a before Abraham was I am I mean what do you think that me and you know they were. Just completely unequipped even answer that question <hes>. I did share with them. The the Gospel I pointed to them to <hes> First Corinthians fifteen one through four and had them read it out loud you know and then as they're reading they were like just completely like you can see the wheels turning their heads. You know that because as I it's funny because I I asked him. I go what's Gospel and when I look I couldn't believe this. They literally said Matthew Mark Luke. John was like you've gotta be kidding me. You're breaking breaking up a little bit but I think we got. We got that <hes> I appreciate that you had in is breaking up the book your book. I wrote called. What do they believe you can get eh. What do they believe Book Dot Com and to me. That's a great testimony because I and you and I were talking about this earlier. I think last week and I'll let you share what you said but you know I wrote it in such a way that it is something to be a quick reference but you have them. Come to your door. You don't have to read a whole book. You could pull that out and deal with a small section at a time you could read it with them and say. Is this what you believe. Is this what you're and I and you have all the references there to to look at and that's kind of so when I hear testimonies that it really it really makes me feel good that you know the the what my goal was in the book was accomplished and Chad you. It's a things earlier as well yeah I have. It's right here my ounce always keep it out and I had just I had just read it and I had a couple of J. or I had J. W.. Combine a a few weeks ago and same kind of thing I just I had read it <hes> when this guy knock on the door and we live in a neighborhood right. Honestly I rarely answering your because because we have people selling cookies people selling cable. I mean I I can't get anything done but I felt like I needed to answer it so I talked to the sky and and I just asked him I said <hes> how do I am. I reconciled to God if I'm a sinner you know that's why I started the conversation and then I asked John I said do you believe Christ is God and the same thing he said had no so we spent quite a while going through scripture and I was refuting that but what really stumbled the guy I was talking to him. We talked about forty five minutes at the towards towards the end of the conversation. We had a decent report on. I said listen. I don't mean to be insulting but I'm trying to get my head around. How do you accept the fact that in the seventies they changed your number thing because you guys had been told that the hundred and forty four thousand in the book revelation where the Jehovah's Witnesses that WanNa Heaven and then when you got so so far over that number you guys had to change that and he goes well you know our religion was started by such and such and then some of the stuff he did wasn't exactly writes. We've had to change it over the years and I go. I go man. That's sad because they could change it next week until you guys that you're all going to hell you know and I said I look at my Christ Myra. My faith is the same from the start of Genesis to the end of revelation. Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever. I can have faith eighth that it's never gonNA. Change you know and that's when the guy got real uncomfortable and I gave him my card. I said I'd love to go to coffee with you. <hes> you know we could talk further but you could tell all that sort of made. His faith seem ridiculous. I mean how are you having faith in a belief system that they can change when the numbers don't work anymore in our like mormonism when you're pressured by the N. Double A._C._p.. Or whoever it was to allow black people to hold positions in your church all the sudden. You're changing the way you look at black. People but Andrew's book definitely helped me a lot because I had a basic. I had a basic understanding of what questions to ask them because I knew you how they're going to respond and that's and that's what I want to do. I want to tell you what they believe not how to refute him in in that sense because then you know so you have dialogue and look to having the answer key to a final exam address you know. Andrew also has a new one in <hes> out called. What do the left disbelief and yes ask ask to do <hes> after you have to subscribe for because apparently there's new updates every week? They're always changing Tony. Do you listen to the rap report this week. That's GONNA come out on Monday. I was I was joined by Jamal Brand Bandy and yeah. That's exactly what we discussed. We've talked about definitions and how the left just they use the same words like racism and they just keep changing the definition definition of it to fit whatever they need it to be and you. You're always racist because they could just to change the definition so yeah. I guess the I got interrupt for real quick on this. I know you're limited time. He's the guy he's the black guy with the cool hair that on the podcast community right yes my friend. This happened today. My friend Todd who you've talked to. He's designing the website for me for the podcast. He sends me a text. I'm out driving around with my wife and he goes do do. We need to talk he goes. I don't think Andrew realizes who he's associated with. He goes. There's this black guy. That is the most racist guy and he goes. You need to check this out so my wife goes in a store so I pulled this video and I'm like that. Is this guy saying is it a is it. His woke brother Mess Yeah. I'm like this entry. There's no way that he's agreeing with this guy so I taught I said I said I'm not. GonNa call now. I said I gotTA get back to my office and I'll pull up the video can really pay attention and then when I got back by the time I got `Bout Todd texts me he goes do this has to be a parody he goes. There's no way anybody believes we talk on the podcast of parody because he it was hilarious areas he he basically was doing a message of the way the the woke people are but he did it with these things like he. He ends up explaining that. He saw some article that they said that you know. Black people are take like thirty percent more time to cross the street so he was like complaining that that the traffic lights the you gotta you know it shows the white white privilege that they don't give enough time for blacks to cross the street or even see this because you see it is you're racist not because of what I eat he goes. It's because of you I mean it was. Oh so you you've asked for. Let's let's do it. Let's AH. I don't think it's that long of a parody. Let me bring up prescribed truth and if I could it tight correctly so his his his show is prescribed truth. I prescribe truth but it still came up so let me see if I could find one of the A two. He's got two of them. Let me let me bring this one up big and then I will share my screen green and what I gotTa do though is changed the audio see you guys can hear it and this is <hes> what four minutes long so it'd be a great way to end the show. I don't know what he has to them. I don't know which one I'm grabbing here so will just watch with Trevor One. It is so this one I think was titled a message from Awoke Brother. So do you guys in in here. Just give me thumbs up if you can hear if you can hear it so y'all been thinking is a game the whole time <hes> you didn't get the message the memo sent last time now you'll keep asking. Where's the injustice Ace hotel you. I'm going to reveal it to you. y'All are trying to go across this bridge on our backs x and they happening. This racial. Injustice against my people 'cause blackness is whereas sex set whereas always been at Toho wake up we ain't taking no Komo of your racism and your Whiteness and what I've come to realize is that this has been going on for years and is showing up in many different ways. I told you we woke is a reason why y'all sleep. Now must show you something. I'm GONNA show you. Some more proof that you're whiteness is perpetuated in an evil there to whiteness is hurting us in many ways a y'all need to be held accountable and that's what I'm here to do. Black men who experienced racism age quicker quicker than those who don't evidence see you know what you can't even see right now but I got gray hair growing in my head it s because of Y'all I'm losing quicker. I'm thirty. I shouldn't have this gray hair in my head but we age a cook and I know other black men who got got gray hair at a younger age in is because of the racism having to struggle in life because of y'all causing a stress dress. Toh Jiao Black people have to wait thirty two who percent longer than white people to cross road already two percent longer. I I can't cross the road because of your racism man. Let me cross the role imaging across the row. Stop your car so I can walk. Walk across you do for them. White folks roll up your car. Let me pass your racism and easing affecting us on the row racism among drivers so you one more thing was so you something racism making people fat look this this ain't this ain't from eaten everything over in this is from your rent. Frank is making people overeat. y'All realize accountability forget white people. We're sick and tired. y'All finding ways to kill us off and that's how doing it well. Give us all these diet plans. No don't kill the more diet plans. Stop your racism. Stop Hating on the black man then we'll see change then we can lose weight. Don't walk gnarly and craps. All you gotta do it stopped in. Oh my scheme so I told John we have it in. Oh Mo we done with this. You got a decision to make. I told you next next election. You better vote different. y'All voted whiteness down with whiteness with blackness. This has been another message from awoke brother that that is all parody it. It's funny because he had like. Chad said he had some people who took them serious. He had people did feel then think he would far enough. That is Jamal Bandy from prescribe the prescribed truth podcast so yeah. He's he is that that was. He's got two of them out there. I think he's planning to do another one it so he's got to keep. I would love for him to call todd feel awesome. If you right set that up your your friends your in the in the group with them go in the secret message them I will if he call todd and just started going off on him about that okay. This is todd watches. This were trouble work but go get him to call up todd and say you know it's because you that I'm on weight watchers uh-huh exactly you need to membership membership. This is reparations. You need to pay my membership to wait once. You're making the need to pay my bills to twenty four hour fitness the work that you're doing it right now yeah so <hes> so with that. That's a great way to end the show so be checking out my podcast. Andrew rap reports rap report. 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David Grossman: Facing a Pandemic in Hospitality

Slick Talk: The Hospitality Podcast

43:02 min | 8 months ago

David Grossman: Facing a Pandemic in Hospitality

"Adrenaline has been happening for number years already. But I think it will be accelerated. of the Trente outsource services the specialized services particularly in and cleaning Of will as I mentioned I think have more of A. There'll be more of a heightened awareness not to say it was neglected before but I think he'll be more conscious of it now both to protect to help their customers but also only to help their employees. Welcome to Slick Talk. The hospitality podcast. Were we discussed all things? Hospitality hotels and business you can find us online at slick top the PODCAST DOT com and on every podcast. Listening platform was up on. My slick. Talkers has been way too long. Since I published an episode and I'm glad to say that I currently have some free time For a lot of my listeners. I don't know I am part of the army. National Guard in Washington State and I was activated and got called up to help with support For the state Regarding covert nineteen and just the pandemic handwriting. Now and so. That's why I've been a little bit a little absent little quiet but I'm excited because this episode was recorded right when I got back from London and this is something that I think definitely comes into play when it comes to covert nineteen and a pandemic and how the industry's been affected. So you'll hear myself and David who is the president of renew systems based on Chicago Discuss What they do as a company but also how as a cleaning company one of the biggest ones in the hospitality industry for hotels and all that type of stuff is that Howard. They expecting to come out on top where the things are in place now and of course is getting to talk about future processes and kind of expectations of what's to come after we get to a more calmer normal so. I hope you guys enjoy the episode I'm still working on getting more guests and more episodes published. So thank you guys for your patience as I'm currently In and out of missions I was just out in Bremerton Washington assisting a testing site for about two and a half weeks so we were in full gear testing patients and citizens in the county of Bremerton Washington and so that was really cool to be a part of and to assist the community. But if you WANNA follow more Seymour. You can go on facebook instagram twitter. All that good stuff and I'll be giving updates again so thank you guys and enjoy this episode. He's kind of like the Joe Rogan of a hostile industry. Right now are right. Welcome back to Slick Talk Hospital podcasts. Everybody I'm your host will slickers and today I have David Grossman from renew systems out in Chicago. S Right. We're just outside of the wonderful city. Excellent wall go ahead and introduce yourself Who are your background and what you are what you what you do currently avenue. Well we'll thank you nice to be here to all the listeners of my name is David Grossman. I company called renew systems that is been in existence since nineteen ninety one. We started out as a general cleaning company Outside of Chicago and one day came across a hotel and ever since then in our primary focus so we handle deep cleaning services so typically not the the third shift janitorial or housekeeping but rather than the periodic More intensive project-based cleaning to dress almost any need inside and even outside the hotel ranging from the carpets in the hallways drake's the furniture and the gas rose grout and swimming pool decks. Were good at restoring and polishing marble and other stone and then so many specialty needs now a tells odors and stains cooking issues a smoking issues and then we Over the years broadened our service go a number of specialty needs whether they're stains in the carpets or chandelier cleaning mattress cleaning A new services replacement of mattresses recycling mattresses so a very wide variety of services that we take care of me. Now have a thirty locations across the company Across the country and in five other countries we operate primarily as a franchise model where we have one company locations leverage a one in Chicago. So we use that to test new services and to have a real good pulse of the business and in the other offices are owned and operated by a buyer franchisees. You come to us with a wide variety of backgrounds but We think they have the right skill set and importantly personality that fits well with our culture in providing a lot of training and ongoing support. So that's what we do our preferred vendor with many of the big brands. So we take care of limited select service in in a number of the The full service properties In the Throughout our thirty offices the big brands as well as a lot of independent boutique properties too. That's awesome. I love the the fit of the cleaning services that go into stuff that obviously housekeeping and maintenance can't hit all the time has really hard especially when you try to do like stuff like that yearly or bi yearly so. I think that's pretty awesome. Because I just sends off that that relief of extra duty for the staff and so Have you been with the company since Nineteen ninety-one or what's your kind of a start with renew no I I joined in in twenty ten. There was one time a change in ownership so I came in then That the the with passes Boehner left by the founder on remained in the rest of the team and south minute that quite a bit prior to a two thousand ten I was. I spent time in management consulting and then in private equity in for many of those years. I was looking for a company that I could get involved with. A very intensive AH level ownership in operating and Was Very Selective. Took the better part of ten years in eventually found renew and then just put my head down along with our management team and we just got to work doing a lot of little things to support our franchisees and try to keep relative business. And now we've had some good success since then some of it for reasons beyond our control but I think the the teich focus has been a critical of factor in our success in that. There's lots of cleaning companies when we started out as a general But we but we found it just being very focused knowing their customers. Incredibly well been has been very important. I agree on so you probably have to learn a lot when it comes to brands and The typical I guess you know soft rans underneath those brands like Marriott versus a courtyard and a residency in all those type other stuff In order to probably I guess. I'm just spitballing here. But to really fit the the current need of that property. That's right there definitely are some yes. In general principles that apply across most of the hospitality industry but then there are some brands specific as well. So we win in and we try to do our best to keep up on the hand we do that because presence in many the individual properties or we also maintain a good relationships at the corporate levels. Now awesome awesome. Well this question's kind of out of pure curiosity for me. What's what's been the major difference in running a company that doesn't have franchisees. And one that does have franchise Franchisee so like any major lessons or experiences that you pass down Dan. That's a similar position because I've heard all sorts of different stories but in the hospitality sector. I don't think I've actually gone to hear You know the perspective of You know a president running a company with multiple multiple locations multiple owners at a franchise level. Yeah IT'S A. It's an interesting way of doing business. And of course there are many franchise system out there in in a lot of restaurants and retail a but a number of hotels certainly operators franchise systems as well certainly the brand so Operate that way primarily and As as to we. So there's there's some trade offs to everything in life as opposed to having everything company operated or having franchises but we think the franchise model fits very well for a few primary reasons on one. Is that We we we. We our customers benefit from both from the fact that they are gonNa have very attentive of response and service from their local offices because the person in their team is. Is there the owner right? So they're not necessarily just employees that may be carrying but not as carrying someone who's known her so our owners are the ones that are interfacing with our customers. They're not necessarily doing the work but they're but they're managing it there overseeing it managing customer relationships so our our hotel customers aren't GonNa get very of do get very responsive in individual and high quality treatment but yet we support our franchisees. We we help will add on the sales support especially when they're starting out reuse our relationships to open up doors and create a create awareness and we do provide a lot of other sales support As well as the preferred vendor partnerships that we have but but the other big benefit is is the training. I mean we've we think we've claimed Moore hotels in anyone of considerable margin so that experience that we can impart even in our newest franchisees when they're just opening up Here's all years. All the protocol on the systems for cleaning hotel. Weather's doing wool carpet. Or whether it's restoring marble we've done many many times so we can help them learn that fairly quickly so so we're getting kind of individual customers are getting the individual carrying treatment but yet the work is being provided by someone who's done entity that's done clean. Thousands of thousands of Otello over are nearly thirty years of of existence. Yea I like the the I guess the example of having I corps hearts out in Chicago where you guys are and then it pulses out to all the other individual operated branches. I think that the super key like you're saying just because you get to test out the new services plus as well You give that support is just as a as a good way to have that operator level like you said the owner is usually gonna be the one that's going to be very much involved with the client and and set up some having somebody. That's just a manager. Obviously they're getting paid. But when you're the owner. I think there's a lot more at stake. And so that with that comes a lot more involvement a lot more heart and passions less kind of like the cool way to look at it. I think Mike you guys do that for me. I WanNa Kinda go ahead yet. I guess comment make that will Interrupt his at. It allows us to have more offices by having franchise partners because if we would open offices are on city which is take longer to to do. So if and when we find a good quality of entity or person or a group of people that we think could be good franchisee in a city than You know wait we can get up and running fairly quickly that allows us to service more hotels and it makes Iran even more valuable and And more important to our hotel customers because we can service more of their properties across the country in and even now more and more around the world exactly at. You're able to conquer those hurdles. A little bit faster than the average business like you said having a way to open up new building and then versus having a Franchisee that you're able to pretty much pass down the gauntlet to and really empower for for that movement to go a little bit faster. It's I think just. The overall efficiency is is well. Thought out with that model for me though. I WANNA ask an shift towards the question I think and the topic of what's on everybody's mind in today's world as we're all going through it and we're all facing this pandemic and crisis especially the industry Whether you're a restaurant a coffee shop a hotel vacation around. Whatever across the board. I think we're all experiencing some some traumatic times with this whole corona virus. And so I wanted to ask and have you drama cleaning cycles. Obviously this viruses something that gets passed down through services and then also through touch you know when you shake hands and touch your face in all other type of stuff. What do you think In your experience what do you think we can learn from the corona virus and the impact? It's had on our industry and the world is a whole. Obviously I think you have a unique perspective when it comes from the cleaning side of Of the industry where you're facing a lot of different You Know Chemicals and and you know fluids and all sorts of stains in damages and smells and odours and all that type of stuff that GonNa go in To the whole cleaning aspect I think it really will shine some light. So what do you think we can learn from this whole pandemic? What's going on and especially with our industry as a whole. Yes it's a it's a loaded question in and certainly I think this is kind of a once in a generation radio longer event. A not that we don't shacks door system but certainly this one is is very few people saw coming until until very recently or at least scale that is coming in. I think because it's so Do an unusual Maybe not so new whistle unusual in our in our world interconnected now. It caught a lot of people off guard and really not sure how to handle that of but trying to bring it down to a more grassroots level. How does that affect cleaning house that affect hotels it right now since it's just a few weeks into at least in in the states and a few months across the world There's just a lot of indecision and a lot of Rightly so a theater and So when that happens. People are paralyzed in their actions. And name we don't have time to think clearly as to I. How do we put out this major fire and then start recovering and then later you know. How do we address doesn't happen again? Or if he does. Were better prepared in the future They're An certainly any great answers on on those big big questions but I just maybe teaches us to try to have a plan in the future. I mean just look at my company is over the last ten years we've tried to diversify our customers diversifier services so that we are prepared for when there is a downturn. We didn't see one nearly to the extent this but we knew the economic downturn Tried to prepare for that but but you can never fully prepare for dates like Smu You try to put a lot of different scenarios and planning but you can never fully prepare so And and so. I think there's some things we can do But but for major event like this. There's just not a lot we we can do. We just hopefully can can think clearly an react swiftly and efficiently so that we can get up and running again and and try to put in some lessons learned from that you know in this case of course lessons learned. Maybe now going forward. We think in our big customers told us you know that. That cleaning will be more heightened not just for our guests but also just to make their employees more comfortable of course. Yeah definitely and I I am I. I love that because it is a lot of people that are still working through this. They obviously every time I go into work. Now everything is heightened when it comes to hygiene right because we're always thinking about you hear a cough. You're going to be looking around like. Oh my gosh like what was going on. They have grown virus. Or whatever in I WANNA go back to the the downturn aspect because I was talking with a couple of friends and colleagues and other people have had on the show and I know for myself. I'm twenty five and I didn't experience the two thousand eight thousand nine crash as much as I was a kid so I didn't really understand fully the the effect but talking to friends and family and colleagues. I said We we all know downturns happen. Where y'all know there's GonNa be some sort of crash Obviously we don't want it to be huge and to hit hard but for me I think going through it now. Being Twenty five and experiencing this at this age especially being a business owner and a person that is self employed to an extent where I you know I am Foley depending on every single action I take in order to make an income and so I think it was just so fast that that's the thing for me is like I knew had discussions with friends like I said that we're like Oh. Yeah it's going to happen some point but knowing that conversation was two months ago three months ago and then all of sudden here as kind of for me. That's I think the biggest like shock I've had and And I just don't know from I guess your experience of life if has always has anything like that like downturn been so fast See coming while probably the two most recent ones were of course the two thousand eight of financial meltdown. That happens very quickly indoors some similarities because it was a lot of panic and a lot of fear and uncertainty as to how we how we get out of this but we did of course and Some very quick movements. And then you know. Just lots of rebuilding. And then the one before that Was Nine eleven which had a very immediate down Impact and also a lot of uncertainty. Take out of fear that this could happen again. We could Have another attack in in the coming days But the recovery. There was was a lot quicker than than than now. We'll be and two thousand eight hard to say how we're going to compare with that but It definitely was very scary at the time but but once we got our arms around the situation we had passed the rebuild. This I think is very uncertain when it will end and And said I that's the The real concerning part yeah not not dimension of course not dimensioned awesome of lives in that Which is tragic tragic enough and then Talking about the rebuilding our our society. Our economy agreed. Yeah is is. I don't think it's it's hard to compare the two thousand eight and then to now 'cause I think like you said there are a lot of lives have been impacted you know through health and death and and the unfortunate events that a virus can do and then of course. I think that question is huge. Is that we don't know or that now. The question that size he on how we don't know how long this will go. And so that is to me the the you know the uncertainty. That's where the fear. Kinda COMES IN IS OKAY. I know how to You know how to get back to what I'm doing right. We know how to get our businesses back usually on on on track. And that's a that's a nice thing of being a business owner operator. You get to really be the guide on the steering on that but with this is always kind of backing. How will we don't know when this is GONNA be over? Obviously I was telling you earlier before we start recording that and Washington State. Just shut down yet as of yesterday so we got at least two weeks of a block. Down and than other states are still operating at a higher function than that. So you know the spread of the viruses continuing to happen and so I think Yeah that question for me is or that thought for me is really what's kind of lingering kind of adding the stress by Kinda WanNa go into For for you guys at renew. How has it impacted your company and Your Business? Are you seeing an increase in in getting cleans done and to have your franchisees really you know? They're they're probably are seeing a pickup or are they seeing less traction just because I know for for where I'm at a lot of hotels I've actually closed their doors temporarily due to either city regulations or or the state itself. So I'm kind of curious to see from your standpoint. What what's the impact for you yet? We good question in. It's been changing the bit when it first happened the first week or so we were very a very many calls from customers wanting to help them or see if we can help them in Once the hotel started closing Andy in Laos yes things really slowed down quite a bit now. Of course The stay at home. A situation has not helped From our perspective it's made more challenging. Although we are considered essential businesses we are. We are able to help our customers in a even today in pretty much every state and even the other countries that we operate. But there's just a lot of indecision of course a lot of cutbacks on on spending so things have slowed down significantly right now and At likely will be the case to the hotel's closed opening up. Now we do have in some of our offices in are working on getting our others up to speed. We do have a nice partnership that we have with Clorox. The utilize their Clark's ry sixty system. So that can address. It does address a number of passages including the coded nineteen other. That services is quite a bit in demand but And we think when the hotels we've been giving good indication that when the hotel start doping up again and of course the dates not completely certain that we will be on the forefront because properties need to Many of them do a thorough cleaning before they can open up and let guests in again. So that's our view so things definitely slowed down now and we're taking care of customers where we're we can and then we'll be prepared to ramp up in offices is that are available to work in doing some work a One of the Nice things that helps us to these slow times. We work hard on. This is to try to keep low overhead so we can We make it easier to get through the time period of just because there's not a lot of a fixed expenses in our business the peace of mind when you know things do start to open up pick traction again the peace of mind and the thought of you know people are still going to be a little cautious You know once this is all Kinda over I think The importance of what you guys are doing is going to be you know significantly huge into the transition from when we start to get out of this and especially for hotels you know they are the number one thing I asked you know from being a hotel to then opening up a vacation. Rental Management Company. Is You know what's the biggest difference for me is when it comes to properties? You're able to hold so many more bodies occupancy right when it comes to a hotel I think with that you're able to obviously increase. Revenue has a hotel but then also as well you have such a significant traffic amount of people different backgrounds different cultures different you know countries even and so with obviously cleaning and sanitation is significantly a big part of you know providing good service and taking care of the guests and not only the gas but the team and so For me I just think you know coming out this is going to really shift towards that and I think companies and hotels are going to look at it a little bit different but I wanted to see from your perspective of being a business and doing what you do in running renew How do you think this is GonNa Change the industry for the long term In order to recover in in order to recover avoid as big of a hidden feature. It's a good question Glad you said how do I think as opposed to know because certainly I think it's a lot of uncertainty as to how it will be but I but mice? My my sense is that while will slowly start to dig out of this hole than tre and travel start to pick up again but Hotels will will ramp up. Accordingly when they see that thought that the economy is more stabilized and travel starting to hook up and probably opened in staggered. Some hotels hole faster than others and Probably with a smaller crew at least initially and tend to outsource say our services and other services as much as possible. I mean that trend has been happening for number years already. But I think it will be accelerated of the trend outsource services the specialized services particularly in in cleaning Of will as I mentioned I think have more of a little bit. More of a heightened awareness not to say it was neglected before but. I think he'll be more conscious of it now both to protect to help their customers but also only to help their employees. Give them a more confidence in our comforts that they have a nice place to work where they don't have to be so concerned about their physical health any knows things will be in in a think Hotels will not will promote that more and use that as a marketing advantage As well to to to show that they're The Dave learned in your. They're here to to provide a better environment again for not only their employees but also for their For for their guests so those are some of the sense that I haven't you know some of the cleaning elaborate cleaning. We had done that. Most in demand is the cleaning or you actually see a physical improvement meaning There's a stain in a carpet. So go in and and we'll go in and make disdain disappear or at least lot less obvious joke. Everyone can kind of see the value for that type of work? There's less value in doing a service could be a great service like helping get rid of pathogens or I should say trying to prevent them. Yob But but there's no physical evidence of that so there was less. Maybe less of a premium on that. But I think going forward that may change I think so too because the current virus you know such a for me is unseen thing. You know everywhere. Everyone that has a cough or a sore throat. You know automatically now is going towards okay. Could be a possible symptom. You know this is. Something is not like Any other virus or Outbreak of some sort where there's major physical Notice you know not Buddy. Call Him Signs and symptoms where This is a pathogen that is unseen common cold with a little bit of a kick to it and so For that and I think on the Now correct me if I'm wrong. But on the on the boutique side of the hotel industry. We're GONNA see like you said this is going to be used in my opinion and if I was running an independent Boutique Hotel I would use this as a marketing and campaign. Type deal like you said for using the cleaning stuff that you're talking about like you know taking extra time and care into the property not only for the guests but for the staff and use that because I think there's a little bit like I love like big name brands. You know. Is She mary all all the above But I think when you coming from like working in a boutique style hotel. There's a little bit of a different feel. I think when it comes to your gas because when you're repeat guests continually comeback. You get to know them on a big deep level you guys early become a family and some sort From my experience you know we've had guests that come every year or multiple times a year or all those times in a certain season you name it and you really get to spend time and on a more. I guess not big brand name level. You're able to kind of drop those Uniqueness I guess of the property to them saying you know. Obviously they're always you build a relationship you start talking about things like this and I think that's when He really gets it started saying. Oh Yeah we are taking extra precautions because we do care about you. Not only do we know that you and your family come here. You Know Multiple Times. Read this time but we also know that for all our guests. This is something. That's impacting everybody. In so we WANNA take care of you guys as well as our staff at think just on that personal hospitality level. That is where it's going to be mostly used in my opinion on the Boutique side and so I'm kind of curious to see how that plays out from from the aftermath of all this stuff. But that's just kind of my thought from from this perspective but I was GonNa say for you on in your opinion. What do you think this is going to do for the service industry in the future? You think this will change how we operate in a sense of. I think one of the big predictions I've had is that we're obviously going to see a big increase in remote work right zoom and Google hangouts and all these you know. Webinar meeting type services Argosy a big increase during this time. But do you think this will change? How hoteliers and hotels operate for the future when it comes to operating on on this virtual level. Yeah it's a good question My general beliefs is that human behavior does not change very quickly or very easily. So while I think there may be some Some movement or or increased activity of remote meetings in remote working of an a trend has been slowly growing. I don't think it's going to or night now changed drastically and And it may in the short term or maybe some pent-up travel needs both business. Travel Needs Pushed off for six months. Conference travel needs and then of course. Leisure Travel Needs Leisure. Travel has been growing sizably over the last ten years. I don't see that changing going forward in adult. Probably pick up first because Less planning is needed to do that. So I think that'll pick up first and then The business in the convention travel will will continue but I remote may have some more traction but I don't think it's going to have a huge impact from from this From this situation I do think I do think that maybe the they'll be more back up. Contingency plans put in place of for disaster preparations like this on behalf of now. Tell Yours. Unique companies. Lot Dash. Certainly the heightened as a result. Agreed Yeah I think that and it kind of goes into the because I I I. I guess I'm a believer. That thing is going to shift a lot of ways with this but like you said it also doesn't happen overnight and then also with the I think obviously a lot of jobs in hotels restaurants you have to be present you have to be hands on you have to be at the property so that will never change. I think the industry but just an operation level from the you know up. I think we'll see maybe a slight shift but I want to ask now for kind of a wrap up on the on this episode. What are two to three things that you are currently doing Doing during this time in order to keep pushing forward for yourself and for your team yeah it some yet. There's certain a number of things that were were were were doing. Some live. Things are beyond our control at this point. But we the first thing we're doing were we've increased our communication. I think we've generally been in good communication with our franchisees and our customers That's how we operate but we've we've increased a lot especially with our franchisees and also our employees so even if we don't have a lot to say and and certainly predict were still just trying to communicate and reach out to them not just me but the but our team is there any special help we can do on the side or whatever it may be more and we're doing our best on that and Just be listening voice and as we get some information from one of our locations that can help the others. We send that out so we've definitely increased The communication and We've tried to be very honest and the I think we're generally that way but particularly now is we're not painting a rosy picture where does saying tomorrow not going to go back to things how things were You know three months ago but trying to tell them what how it is trying to offer encouragement but not not colluding to to reality in. They realized that also they see it on on their own but we're also trying to give out all been a lot of them. Do Apple that you know this will be a period of time and then And then we'll we'll come back and we may come back stronger but there will be a lot of work that used to be to To to rebuild and You know our franchisees our understanding and they're and they're willing to do that And and even though it will take some time and effort and down The EX really. What we can do offering courage might be very honest and give our game plan going forward In very near future and then also to get through the storm and then also when we come out of it you know. What's our plan how we're going to try to help them at that point? So those are the things in just a lot of reassurance to our employees Not that we have a lot like you say crystal mall and to see what's going to happen in the future but were were. Were trying to give them as much reassurance as possible. Yeah I love I think you know when one store or when location learn something That can help the others and increasing that. That conversation is huge. I think is GonNa be the key thing that gets us through as an industry especially for you. Guys is point of cleaning and sanitation. Ed just really upping that type of service is going to be huge and it's going to unify a lot of the I think renew as a whole and then of course from the customer's standpoint. That seeing that Mike we learned this from our property in New Orleans. You know we're GONNA. We're GONNA try this over here. This is something that can benefit us. Let's go ahead and implement this plan of action and you know obviously like you said there's a lot of stuff out of our control. We cannot control the government you know puts a lock down or does whatever but we can control how we you know we react. I think A friend of mine says to me earlier yesterday. She's at a life is eighty percent of how we react and say to certain situations in twenty percent is what happens to us. I think how we take that as huge so implementing. You're moving forward continuing to do what we can when we can. You know. React in a positive way Will be the majority of what goes through great. Yeah I I think we just have to sense. Call like it is and do our best and realize that. There's some things that are out of our control. Well Hey David I just WanNa say thank you for being on the show. Thank you for doing what you guys are doing in the industry and you know stepping up in the way. That obviously is much much needed during this time. Obviously it goes without a doubt to say that you know sanitation and cleaning and all that type of stuff that you guys are doing is really important for for any of the operators that are open and currently still allowing guests and travelers into their property. So I think Just being that being that In that role is is huge. 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Another Kingdom | Season 2 | Ep. 7: The Secret of Horror Mansion

The Andrew Klavan Show

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Another Kingdom | Season 2 | Ep. 7: The Secret of Horror Mansion

"Hey, everybody. This is Andrew klavan. You're about to hear the second season of my fantasy suspense story. Another kingdom performed by Michael Knowles. I think you're gonna love it. He sure to head over to daily wire dot com to get early access to our episodes last time on another kingdom using a phone number his sister Riley left foreign Austin made contact with Jason broad street at tech billionaire broadstreet told Austin, it he'd fed Riley information about surgery Roz goes seven thirty club that she had embedded in her videos, but when Austin went to broad streets estate to hear more he found the billionaire hanging from the ceiling dead Austin recovered broad streets phone and left but not before seeing the police arrive in the person of a Roz goes assassin slick using a motel computer for research. Austin found the seven thirty club was a club of billionaires met yearly in the Oregon woods to discuss their plans to improve the world by destroying religion, freedom, and democracy and replacing. Them with rule by experts namely themselves in a photograph of their forest mansion Austin saw the shadow of curtain the wizard was so shot he stumbled out of the motel right back into the mansion Mazen Eshelman, they're confronted curtain himself who offered him a chance to escape the mansion, but led him instead into a small room with the door vanished, and he found himself trapped and now another kingdom episode seven performed by Michael Knowles. For a moment. I just stood there staring at the place where the door had been my pulse was hammering so hard inside my head that it drowned out my thoughts, I felt it like the ticking of a watch every heartbeat. A second lost morning coming tick talk. I turned back to the room, my heart sank, I knew this place. It was familiar like everything in curtains, maids. It was a small space narrow the walls were would the floor was would with an oval braid rug covering part of it. There was a small bed against one wall. A small window above the bed a shelf set just above I level a lantern on the shelf the shelf the lantern. Yes, it came back to me. It was the scene from the movie from horror mansion the one scene I half remembered, I moved to the little bed. I knelt on the mattress and looked out the window. I saw the square down there. I saw. The horse and buggy come out of the fog. I saw the woman in the bonnet the man with the stick the witchy krone. It was the same scene the same loop as before except now I was watching it from the other direction. Of course, I remembered the square that was from the movie too. That's why it never changed. That's why it kept on repeating. I was trapped in a scene from the movie. How would I ever get out? I panicked them. I lost control. I tried frantically to open the window. It wouldn't budge I lay down on the bed and tried to kick through the pain once twice again the glass wouldn't break down deep. I knew it never would fighting pure hysteria. I stood off the bed. I looked up at the lantern. I knew I had to take it down. That was the next part of the scene. I had to play the scene out. I didn't want to I would be part of it then caught in the loop. But I couldn't think of anything else to do. I reached up to the shelf. I thought. The bird dead bird. That's where it is. It's up there. The image came into my mind. Clearly now, a dead Sparrow with some kind of ceremonial knife. Stuck through the heart of it only. It was not a knife. That was the twists in the plot. I took hold of the lantern. I drew it toward me as I did it bumped into something the corpse of the Sparrow, a dead bird fell off the shelf and landed on the floor at my feet. I knelt down beside it to get a better. Look the bird was stiff and staring. The narrow knife was stuck into its breast. The handle was etched with mysterious rooms, I gazed down at the creature. I remembered the scene from horror mansion, there was a woman in this room. A woman doing what I was doing. Now, a blonde in a black skirt and a white blouse. When did I watch the film? Why did I watch it? I couldn't remember I didn't want to remember almost without willing. It I knelt down and set the lantern on the. Floor beside me, I took the bird into my hand. I remembered the woman in the movie holding the bird as I was doing I remembered how it had dripped blood it dripped blood as I watched. I saw the warm fluid run out of the bird's body and dribble along the length of the small blade. If fell onto my fingers and leaked through pattering on the floor. The woman in the movie had pulled the blade out next. I pulled the blade out. It's stuck just at the very last. And I had to turn it to work at free. That was when the plot was revealed itself. The knife wasn't a nice it was a key. And the moment I turned it and pulled it out of the bird. There was a click. I looked up a rectangular portion of the wall. Swung open a secret door more of curtains. Maze. I held my breath staring through the doorway into the darkness beyond more darkness. A sound came to me people chanting murmuring some cultish plain song in low voices far away. The song was rhythmic ritualistic, Saul. Them it sent a chill through me. Something terrible was in there. I could not remember what. But in the movie something terrible happened next. I did not want to remember. What could I do? There was no way out. But in I heard the bell tolling in the church tower five AM time was passing faster speeding up at this rate. The sun would rise in mere minutes. I sit the bird aside picked up the lantern rose from my knee. I wiped my bloody hand on my leggings. I step to the door. I stepped through suddenly lightheaded. I saw the stars. Spinning around me. I dropped onto one knee again feeling not would now but the rough asphalt through my jeans. I was back in the real world back in the parking lot of the motel near Half Moon bay. I could hear the bay water planning and the traffic wishing and the wind whispering through the branches of a nearby. Tree. Reality blessed reality reality had never seemed so sweet and yet still haunted by. That ghostly room by the knowledge that any moment, I might be flung back there imprisoned in that movie seen again, I felt I couldn't bear it. I felt I might lose my mind something fluttered then against my thigh. I was so disoriented. It was a moment before I realized it was the phone in my pocket was buzzing Jason broad streets phone the phone. I had used a call Riley. Was she calling me back? I dug into my pocket quickly. I worked the phone out rising to my feet. I answered eagerly Ello Ello, no response. Silence. I stood in the chill night listening. I was afraid to speak afraid of who might be on the other end of the line. Then came the broken whisper, Jason Riley, I breathed she gasped loss. Yes, me she began to whimper like a child. Where's jason? There was no hiding it from her. It would make the news soon if it hadn't already. They got him baby. Oh god. It's going to be. All right. Oh, God hang onto yourself. Hang on. Oh austin? I'm in so much trouble. I know I know you and me both I began to pace around a lot as I spoke just hang on. Okay. Hold it together. I'm going to help you how she wailed. How can you help me? They got Jason. Oh god. I know. But I'm still here. I'm coming for you, her voice rose to a high crazy note. Don't let them get me off. Don't let them I won't. I'm so scared. Oh god. Jason. I know I could hear her crying over the line. It hurt me inside. Just like it used to hurt me when we were little where are you Riley? It was a moment before she could speak. I can't tell you. I can't say it over the phone. They might hear me. She was probably right. Look what had happened to broad street. What about your phone? I asked her is it. Safe, and they trace it she came out of her hysteria. Just long enough to get petulant with her annoying. Big brother. I know how to hide the phone from them Austin, a not a baby I smiled. It was good to hear. There was still some spirit in her. But she broke down again at once. You're all around me OSs. It can't see me. But they're everywhere. They've been all around me for days. I could feel her terror. I could feel it inside me. It was incredibly frustrating. You're she was on the line. And there was no way to reach her no way to help her. I ran my free hand up through my hair. I had to stay calm, stay focused. Do what I could do one step than another. If I kept moving maybe the path to her would open up the movie ri-. I said now what tell me about the movie, the one you left for me at the house, the movie, she cried, you know, the movie you watched the movie, don't you? Remember, I stopped pacing tried to think that I remember. I wasn't sure I reached into my shirt to touch the lock at there. There was no warmth coming off at no magic power. But it didn't matter the memory came back to me. Anyway, I saw myself lying on my bed as a kid my laptop on my belly the headphones in my ears. I was glancing from the monitor to my bedroom door afraid someone might come in. And catch me. Sure, I told her I watched the movie I remember. But I don't remember why. Because daddy made me watch it Riley, cried out sobbing harder. He made me watch that scene again. And again, and again, I screamed and screamed us, but he made me. No daddy. No. I don't want to see it. Again. I won't tell I promise. I remember. I said softly, I remember that high pitched little girls shriek of hers. I remembered creeping down the hall to see what was happening. How had I forgot what my father had done to her. What I had let him do. You were just a child. I told myself you were a little boy there was nothing you could have done to help her. But it didn't make me feel any better. I was choking on guilt and pity poor Riley were a little girl for me or boy, or everyone Riley was flat out sobbing now. Oh awes-. She just managed to say. I'm next. They're going to kill me next. I won't let it happen Riley. I told her my voice was trembling. I won't tell I swear I won't tell I won't make any more videos. I swear tell them us L, mom and dad my breath came out of me and long angry, his mom and dad, dear old, mom and dad, I stood in the parking lot. My head tilted back. The phone lifted to my ear. My is lifted to the stars the stars were only dimly visible above the light of the motel sign. I stared up at them. And listen to my little sister crying, all my life or tears had fallen on my heart like acid, all my life. They'd scolded me inside. So that I could hardly stand it her tears her shrieks of terror. I made myself forget them because I couldn't stand the pain my eyes filled the dim stars blurred, a clenched, my free hand in a fist and raised it to the sky, tell them us Riley went on sobbing tell mom and dad, I won't make any more videos. I swear never tell you'll tell I said I had to force. Words out through my tight throat. We're both going to tell we're going to tell everyone. No, no, no, no. She cried she sniffle. She sobbed. You don't understand their to powerful they control everything they are everything come on Riley. Don't get crazy on me. There's got to be a way to stop them. We just have to figure it out. That's all we'll expose them to the news sites on social media to the police. They write the news sites. They run social media. They are the police still looking at the sky. I brought my hand down on top of my head. We'll they can't be everybody. I told her there has to be a way broad street thought there was he was one of them. And he thought they could be stopped. He thought there was a chance at least or he wouldn't have called you in the first place broad streets. Name seemed to have an effect on her. I heard her ragged breathing. Get steadier. He said Jason told me he told me everything was at the seven thirty house. He. I said it was right there in plain sight on the wall. All he had to do was take a picture and bring it to me. He said, I was the only one he could trust I rolled my eyes terrific. I thought if crazy Riley with her band videos was the only trustworthy news source in America. We were all in big big trouble. All right. I said, do you know where the house is Jason told me it's in the woods somewhere near some town, bend Oregon, I told her. That's right, bend one hundred and thirty miles northeast of bend on some road, route twenty seven I think, that's it the trail at the top of the mountain. All right. I told her I'll find it just stay by the I heard her gasp what I said, what is it? But the line was silent for a long moment. A long long moment. She didn't say a word, then came her squeaky whisper, they're close who who's close ri-. I have to go Riley. I. Said that there was a click and the sound of the line changed. I knew she was gone a cursed. I lowered my hand slowly slowly, I shut off the phone. I stood there in the parking lot, and drew in breath and smelled the distant bay on the night air. I felt my sister's terror in my heart. We'll get back to the story in a minute. If you're enjoying another kingdom, please be sure to give us a five star rating on itunes. It really helps. And then go over to daily wire dot com and watch another kingdom are incredible art animation and dramatic footage brings the story to life. Enjoy the rest of this episode. Long night not much sleep in the first dull light of a gray morning. I drove away from the motel. I went into the little city. I drew out a long breakfast at acquaint diner on a corner of main street as I ate. I watched the electron store across the street waited for to open. I had made my plan. I had to find the seven thirty house. The mansion in the Oregon woods I had to get into the house and find the information broad street was hoping to pass onto Riley. It was in plain sight he'd told her right on the wall with that information. I would expose a Roscoe, and whatever he was up to it'd be arrested or at least disgraced and that would take the heat off Riley. So she could come out of hiding. I know it was a crap idea virtually guaranteed to accomplish nothing and get me killed. But hey, every plan has its flaws, right? It was the only thing I could think of before I did anything else though, I had to watch the DVD horror mansion why because any minute I could walk through a door and find myself back in the mood. Stuck in the loop in the horror mansion of edge with time careening toward on. If I could just see what was in that scene. Maybe I could figure a way out of it. Maybe the electron store didn't open until ten as soon as I saw the store clerk unlocked the door across the street went in and bought an external DVD drive and a headset. I asked one I've got the store clerk mused aloud. He was a toll overweight red haired nerd with wireless glasses. No one uses DVD's much anymore. Well, I'm stuck in a horror movie in an alternate universe. In danger of being devoured by a dragon every night for the rest of eternity. So I've got to watch the DVD to find a way out. I actually said that out loud and the nerds. So help me not at thoughtfully as if it made perfect sense to him hard to know who was crazier me or the rest of the world. I carried the DVD drive down the street to the library. I spoke with the librarian there a short squat lady who looked like the old made on kids playing card. I told her I was a film student who had to watch a movie for class. She sent me up at a computer in one of the carols against the windows. I sat at the Carol a desk surrounded by three wolves made out of something meant to look like wood beyond the Knotweed wools, the Florida ceiling windows looked out on the bay. If I tilted back in my chair. I could see it the water appearing. Metallic under the low clouds, I plugged the DVD player into the computer. I slid Riley's disc into the player. I started the movie the credits were like, my dream, swirling mist condensed to spell out. The title words. Went the music horror mansion spills the missed. The story begins with a creepy little scene that takes place in the puritan passed a mob is burning three which is at the stake in a square of the small New England town of Wildwood, the mob is screaming the witches arriving in their bonds one which offers to expose the which leader in exchange for her life. It's the judge. She says the most respected man in town, the mob only mocks the witches shrieking agony. Is they set them ablaze we pan away from the field to horror Manch, a spooky old house that overlooks the scene lots of Gables and peaked roofs like the mansion and edge. There's a light on in the window of an upstairs room, we zoom in and interest study decorated with a desk, a globe, a leather wing chair and shelves books. There's a shadow on the wall the shadow of a man we never see his face. But we hear his voice. It's the judge is daughter comes in a suite virginal girl in her twenties. The judge thanks her when she serves some t- she leaves unlocks the door. The judge rises to his. Feet. And yes, it turns out he is a witch the last which the chief, which whom no one suspects. He's desperate to avoid the fate of his followers. So he conjures the devil the devil arrives another shadow darker, but shape, it's the chief which makes a deal with him. The deal is this the chief which promises he will sacrifice an innocent victim to the devil once every year as long as he supplies. The victim the devil will let him live shortly after the mob carried away with bloodlust storms. The judge's house. Calling for him to come out. The judge does come out is dragging his daughter with him by the arm. He denounces her to the mom. She's the witch. He says as the daughter screams piteously for her father, the mob carries her away to be burned at the stake. She's the first sacrifice. I sat in the Carol watching. I felt a tightness at the pit of my stomach the movie's production values were garbage and the acting was hilariously second rate, but all the same. It was a scary scene convincing. Disturbing. Now, we cut to modern day Boston College classroom. The whole opening flashback turns out to be part of a lecture. That's being given. We see the professors standing before blackboard talking about witches and superstition and the paranormal. And so on the professor is a tall lean man with a widow's peak the scene blindsided me it was a real shock my stomach. Lurch? I felt my breakfast surge up into my throat. The professor was the guy from the house and on the servants slash priests. The dark man who was really curtain the wizard must have found the repressed image of this character in my mind and used it as a disguise. I swallowed my bacon and eggs for the second time that morning, I forced myself to focus on the movie again, the professor finishes his lecture, a pretty young coed approaches him, she's the woman I remembered the blonde and the black skirt and white blouse, she's the professors protege inspired by his lectures. She plans to go to Wildwood to do research into witchcraft. She will write her thesis on what she finds the professor is pleased with her decision. So off she goes, she drives to Wildwood in gigantic old American car. It's the size of a dirigible must get half a mile to the gallon. She reaches the town at night, of course, because it's a horror movie a blonde park Sircar steps out. It's dark. It's foggy and weirdly Wildwood looks unchanged since puritan dates it's lit by torches instead of streetlights there's a line of old buildings across the street, including tavern is in the distance and gravestones under a silhouetted tree. There's even a horse and buggy that passes in and out of sight in the fog. There's a woman in abundant a man with a crane a which he krone as I stared at the computer monitor I felt sweat breakout on my forehead. It was the same scene scene. I'd been trapped in an edge. And I had to lean back in my chair and look out the window to assure myself. I wasn't trapped there now. I ll. I leaned forward to watch the movie again, the sweat on my forehead beaded, a bead ran down my temple by breath, grew shallow and quick the girl turns around and they're behind his horror mansion the spooky old house from the opening sequence. It's the Wildwood in now, she goes inside. I watched sweating. The spooky old woman. Innkeeper shows the blonde to her room. It's the small bedroom the same room I had been in the blonde finds the lantern same as me. She finds the dead bird, the key the secret door, she hears the sound of distant chanting same as me carrying the lantern. The blonde goes through the door and down a flight of stairs. She follows the chanting sound down a narrow corridor. The corridor is draped with cobwebs. There are statues gargoyles in niches on the wool of flickering light of the lantern makes the statues seem alive and some of them are alive. Some of the statues are really people people peel off from the wall after the blondes gone past them. It comes sneaking up behind her one of them passes a gargoyles that is holding a long dagger in its claws. He takes the dagger and lifted the shadow of the blade wavering on the wall, I was frightened. Now, really frightened. Not just because it was a scary scene. But because I knew that in education, I was trapped in the scene doomed to play it out myself. I kept thinking they can't kill her candy. She's the story of the movie she's got to escape the blonde reaches the end of the whole she steps into a final room. Here is the source of the chanting a group of cow old witches men and women standing with their heads bowed. They surround a large stone altar table a table of sacrifice as the blonde enters the chief witch standing at the head of the table lifts his face to her. It's the professor her professor from the college in Boston. The dark servant priest. He smiles at the blonde and welcome you, see my DEA. He says, it's all true. The blonde's eyes. Widen in fear is she understands her professor is the chief witch who made the deal with the devil all those centuries ago. He's still alive because he is still sacrificing innocent victims to the devil. He has lured her here for that purpose, then they grab her the people who have followed her down the corridor. They seize the blonde by the arms and lift her off her feet and carry her to the altar table, the blonde shrieks struggles. But it's no use they lay her screaming and helpless on the stone surface. They hand the long dagger to the professor servant prese chief, which blonde begs for her life twisting uselessly in the iron grips of the witches who holder down, please she shrieks, I won't tell I swear I'll never tell please, my eyes filled with tears, the blonde was screaming. The same words. My sister spoke to me on the phone. And I remembered that was why my father had made her watch this movie this scene over and over. She was a four year old child. Shrieking in terror. I promise I won't tell daddy. I won't tell but he made her keep watching. So she would learn what happens to bad little girls who climb around in cramped corridors and learn secrets, they shouldn't know the sweat ran down my temple, a tear ran down my cheek. The witches hold the shrieking blonde on the altar table, they pull her white blouse open and give us a thrilling horror movie. Look at her lacy bra the professor lifts the long dagger high. The camera follows the dagger up into the air, please please no screams, the blonde wildly then the dagger plunges down out of sight, the screaming ceases abruptly the camera pans away and down down to the base of the altar blood pours over the side of the table into a gutter made for the purpose. We follow the blood along gutter and through a hole in the wall. The whole leads outside into the fog, the fog swirls around or mansion. Sick and pale. I sank back into the Carol chair. I stared at the monitor with hollow is is the movie continued. There wasn't much else to see the rest of the picture was dull standard B-movie stuff. It was just that scene that truly horrifying scene at seen. My father had made Riley watch again, and again, and I had heard my little sister's pitiful screams of terror I had crept into his study later that night and swiped the DVD and watched it for myself. And then I had forgotten because I couldn't bear what I knew I couldn't bear the facts that Riley screamed in hysterical fear at night because my father had subjected her to that mental torture in order to terrorize her into silence. But silence about what what had Riley learned what did she overheard? When she was sitting in the air duct where all the whispers of the house collected. What lay hidden in her crazy videos that made a Rosco feel he had to kill her? What lay hidden in her broken mind? When the final credits rolled I blinked back into awareness like coming out of a trance, I wiped my face dry with my palm. I reached out a shaking hand in unplugged the DVD player from the computer. I sat there slumped in my chair with the Gizmo lying in my lap. After a while. I sat up straight. I leaned into the keyboard? Again, I called up the old feature story about a Roscoe in the New York Times a scroll to the photograph. Again, I gazed at the wide angle photo that showed the club members standing in front of the mansion that's where the answers were in the seven thirty house in the forest mansion that looked so much like the mansion and on the mansion where I was trapped inside the movie the answers. St. told my sister were written in plain sight on the wall, I had to go and find them. I was about to close the page on the computer when I remembered what I had seen last time. I felt compelled to look again at the photograph to look again at the mansion to look again at the upper window where the cowl figure of curtains stood draped in obscurity, I did look at the window was dark all dark curtains figure was gone. I drove all day all day and into the night on freeways up the coast, then on back roads into the interior. I had stopped in San Francisco to buy supplies food. Clothes a backpack a flashlight a canteen, a handheld GPS and some tools for a break in I even ditched broad streets phone and got a new burner a memorized Riley's number and through the old phone away. Then I was ready. I drove and drove through northern California into Oregon an indigo. Dusk spread from the empty east where the sun burned fiery behind the clouds darkness fell. I drove midnight. I was on route twenty seven winding up a mountain with nothing outside the windows, but a jagged black treeline a frowning forest of Ponderosa pines at the peak of the rise. I saw the fire trail Riley had mentioned I turned off onto a broad, but empty dirt road. The road went on a long long way deep and then deeper into the woods it grew narrower. Rougher the trees closed around in the middle of nowhere. I passed attornal. It was blocked with a metal gate and marked with a sign that said private property. I took that to be the main entrance to a roscoe's land. I went beyond following the GPS to the end of the dirt road s to walk in through the trees, I thought and avoid any gourds or cameras I pulled onto soft Duff killed the lights and the engine got out of the Passat worked my backpack over my shoulders hiked into the woods. There is no night like night in the forest, no, darkness darkness. There. The autumn moonlit silver through the evergreens has to pale glow. Over a landscape of hunkering mystery. There was a frac like sameness to the tangled. Depths receding from me in every direction whichever way. I turned seemed a fantastic mirror image of every other. It was immersive disorienting after a while. I felt there was only this this forest no world beyond the wood. The sky was clear now through the treetops. I could see the stores of the Milky Way spilled carelessly over the blue black expanse, a Gibbs moon bobbed in and out of view among the branches I headed slant. Wise back toward the main entrance. I picked out the path with the flashlight Trump's slowly under the majestic and silent. Treats, they seemed to glower down at me and watch me pass. I couldn't begin to describe how fantastic and grotesque fell to come suddenly upon that mansion I spotted the hazy glow of it through the leaves first. And then reached the treeline and saw it in full it stood in a broad clearing rink with small spotlights turned down dim their beams. Cut into thin forest missed and filled it with off white illumination after the dreamlike darkness. It seemed a dreamlike light. But to see the house itself it felt so impossibly strange, strange and frightening to see that place almost exactly the same as the house and Eshelman which was almost exactly the same as the man. And in the movie site said off a starburst of agitation inside the movie, Edmund Oregon, it was as if I had reached the junction where the three worlds met hidden just within the trees, I lowered myself onto one knee the cold of the forest dirt seeped through my jeans, and chilled me, I stayed there. And watch the house awhile most of the lights in the place where out interior was dimmed gray. But at a window here, and there the outlaw of a lamp was visible as I watched. I saw figure pass across a second story. Pain a guard. I cursed beneath my breath. I wasn't sure I had the courage for this. If it weren't for the pitiful memory of my shrieking, baby sister. If it weren't for the sorrowful sound of her voice on the phone. Oh, never tell I might well have run away. Instead, I crept out of the woods into the clearing abroad. Dirt and gravel driveway surrounded the place dead leaves tumbled over it in a soft night breeze. The leaves clattered. Stones beneath them stirred rattled, I hoped. Those noises would cover my crunching footsteps as I approached there was only a pint or two here to hide behind. I hid behind one and scoped the surroundings abroad dirt road, the main entrance. I had passed entered the clearing from my right there were two jeeps parked along the side of it did that mean there were two guards inside or four or more. I crouched low and crossed the rest of the distance to the house until I was pressed close against the wall. I rose up to peek through a first floor window a single lamp was lit inside in. It's dull yellow gleam. I made out a rustic reading room bookshelves and stuff chairs side tables for wine. There were no guards in there. As far as I could see I took a chance switched on my flashlight shown through the glass and examined the inside of the window frame. There didn't seem to be an alarm on it. I couldn't find one anyway. So I switched off the flash slung my backpack off my shoulders and rooted inside it for my two. Tools, then I went to work on the window. It was remarkably easy to break in a small Jimmy pride the upper and lower frame apart a flat head screwdriver worked through the gap between I pushed the latch aside. I held my breath as I lifted the window waiting for an alarm to start screaming. Silence. No alarm, so easy as I climbed over the bottom frame into the reading room. I thought again of the New York Times article a listener finds himself swept up in the sheer prophetic scope of a roscoe's vision. Right. Maybe a Rosco didn't need fancy locks and alarms to protect his secrets. Why should he if he wanted to take over the world and put an end to the fiction of human rights, the most powerful newspaper in the country seemed to feel hey, go to it make the world a better place? You wise old billionaire, you I crept across the reading room, the floors were made of old would but rugs covered most of them and muffled my footsteps, I peeked out through the door. And so a long shadow. The whole a running to the foyer no lights only misty glow. Leaking in through the windows. No guards and site. Just a few stands with busts, and vases on them, some paintings on the wall, an indentation that might have been a doorway that was it. So all I had to do. Now is find the writing on the wall afford, the guards found me I started down the long hole and just as I did suddenly light bathed me. I froze too bright beams passed over me headlights coming through the whole window from the outside. I dropped the floor like a sack of cement and lay there as the beams crossed the wall above my head and the corridor grew dark again, I crawled to the window and slowly lifted up until I could peek through my breath came out of me and a horse rasp the Cadillac Escalade just pulled up at the front door. It's headlights snapped off and slick in his musclemen Moses rose out into the spotlit missed now, I heard footsteps inside the house. Someone was descending flight of stairs. A guard came into view in the foyer at the end of the whole he was dressed all in black lack slacks and a sweater that I could still see him in the dim lamplight. I lay pressed to the floor and watched another guard came into the foyer from the hallway on the far side. Gord to was carrying a small flashlight. It's thin beam danced over the black figure of guard. One iheart beat hard against the runner if that beam flashed down the corridor. It would pick me out easily. I looked for an escape route and saw door right across from me. But I didn't dare try it the risk of drawing the guards. Attention was too great now anyway gorge to doused his flash the whole was dark again, I lay and watched as guard one opened the door to let in slick and Moses I saw the foremen gathering the dark foreshadows, I could hear them. Speaking clearly, anything said slick, he sounded brusque and relaxed a competent professional at work. No Gord one answered him. We came out as soon as you. Called. But there's been no sign of him. You sure he's heading this way slick made an uncertain. Gesture. We picked up a search for the place out of a library in Half Moon bay. They were using one of our man's search engines, anyway, the librarian described our guy, so we thought it was worth checking why don't you just put out a bolo on him guard to asked at this point? It'd be best. If we can keep him out of the system, he has a lot to say for himself and not everyone is on our side. Our man would like him dealt with privately if possible slick side. All right. He told the black clad guards. Let's just go through the house one more time and make sure he's not here. Then you can go home and get some sleep Moses. And I will take the second and third floor you guys split up and cover the rooms down here. They almost caught me right then. And there I was listening to them thinking about what they said not only was there. No alarm here. There hadn't even been any gourds until. Slick called them out. Now, they were going to search the house and leave. Clearly, my best move was to crawl back to the study escape out the window and come back later when the guards were gone, which was exactly what I was about to do when they nearly got because just then the shadow of guard to move to the wall and lifted his hand, I guess what was going to happen. One split second before it did I rolled frantically across the floor hid myself behind vase stand inches from the door. They're gorge to flicked the switch on the wall and the lights came on all over the ground floor. No shadows left to hide him. I'll go this way. Someone said I couldn't see them anymore. The vase stand blocked my view. But one of them was going to come toward me for sure I had to get out of sight fast. I drew my feet under me rose up on a knee and reach for the doorknob right by my nose. I could hear footsteps coming down the hall. Now, I figured I had about ten seconds before the guard. Reached me saw me if the door was locked I was finished. I held my breath. It wasn't easy with my pulse pounding. I turn the knob is slowly as dared slowly enough. So that the bolt came back almost noiselessly the door. Swung open the gourds footsteps grew closer, very close another second and he'd come around the vase stand there. I b I slipped through the door and holding the knob tight, I closed the door silently and silently rolled the bolt back into place. I was in a stairwell now back stair rising up word. I heard the guard as he continued his approach would he pass by? No, he stopped right outside the door. Of course. He was going to check the stairwell. I flew up the stairs on tiptoe. So as not to make a sound the stairs wound around in a slow arc that ended at a door on the second floor, just as I reached the landing. I heard the door below open. I pressed against the wall breathless the guard shone his flashlight up the stairs at me if the beam had been a bullet it would have left a scar. That's how close it came. But it didn't touch me. The guard. Didn't see me they're trying to melt my body with the stairwell wall the flashlight beam swept away the door below click. Shut I stayed where I was a long moment. Trying to will my heart to slow down as I stood there on the landing. My cheek pressed close to the wall. I heard a soft jingling noise below keys guard locked the downstairs door with allowed snap shit. I was spurred if the second story door was locked as well, I was trapped in here. But even if it wasn't locked I couldn't carry out my plan of escape I had to find another way out. I tried the knob to my immense relief the door opened easily. I pushed it out about an inch and peeked through the gap. There was a short stretch of wall in front of me a corridor of doors. I could see off to my right. There was a railing to my left running above the foyer the gallery lights came on slick and Moses were just coming up. The main stairs just coming into view. I watched through the narrow opening as the two men paused on the landing to consult. You go up stairs slick said I look around down. Here. He brought a flashlight out of his pocket and switched it on. You got it said Moses, he wound around the stairway Newell post and headed up the next flight to the third floor. I drew the stairwell door almost shut and watch to see which way slick would go. I gotta break there. He turned to his left away from me and went down the hall to the last door at the end he opened the door and went through out of sight into the room beyond. I saw his flashlight beam waving around in there. There was no time to date. If I stayed where I was it would find me eventually and with the door locked below there'd be no way out. I had to get to the front stairs and go back down to the ground floor. Then maybe I could dash out the front door or out a window and get away. I hurried down the hall toward the stairs. I past one door and another then another I was almost there one more door away. But now I heard a noise from the farthest room. I saw slicks flashlight moving back toward the whole. He was going to come out before. I reached the stairs. I did the only thing I could I pulled open the nearest door the last door, my heart leapt with hope there was a stairway inside a stairway down. I was about to step over the threshold when I realized it wasn't a stairway in this house. It was the stairway in the house and Edmund the stairway out of the small bedroom with the dead bird in it. If I went through the door, I would pass through the veil of transition. I would be back in the wizards clutches back in the endless nays back in the horror movie heading down into the cellar where the movie scene witches were waiting to grab me and carry me off to the sacrifice. I froze where I was and slicks flashlight hit me. Hold it. Right. There punk. He said with a laugh, I gave a second thought to going through the door going back to the wizards mansion, but I couldn't quite bring myself to do it. And anyway, the hesitation cost me the chance it was already too late slick had his gun trained on me. He'd have blown me to kingdom come before. I could take a step. Well, well, well, he said gun in hand, he stroked toward me is tall lean frame in its blue suit was relaxed and casual is long cruel handsome face was smiling. He went on smiling right up to the moment. He struck me down. Next time on another kingdom. Slick straddled a chair and looked down at me where I lay on the floor grown, my boy, he said to me this is not going to be a good day for you. We're going to torture you, and then we're going to kill you. Okay. I rolled my eyes toward him. I could see he wasn't kidding. He was telling me exactly what he was going to torture and kill me. Okay. Not really, okay. No. I sit. This has been another kingdom by Andrew klavan performed. By Michael Knowles. This episode directed and produced by Jonathan hey, produced by Mathes Glover executive producer, Jeremy boring, associate producer Austin Stevens. Edited by Jim Nichol sound design and mix by Dylan case audio recorded by Mike Corinna music. Composed by Adrian, Sealy hair makeup and wardrobe by Jessica Olvera de IT by Scott keen and our production. Assistant is Colton Haas visuals. Supervisor Jake Jackson lead illustrator Rebecca Shapiro illustrations by Anthony Clark animations by John dread, ska coal Holloway. And Ye Hon shoe. Another kingdom is a daily wire. Forward publishing production copyright, forward publishing. Twenty eighteen.

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How to maintain a live performance career when venues are limited

Marketplace Morning Report with David Brancaccio

09:07 min | Last month

How to maintain a live performance career when venues are limited

"This marketplace podcast is supported by we work today takes new ways of working new measures toward health and safety flexible terms for how you work spaces designed with your purpose. It takes a we work office to take your business where you wanted to be we work that's how tomorrow works visit we worked dot com slash tomorrow. Marriage is all about trust. So what happens when you find out your spouse has hidden thousands of dollars worth of debt from you. That's the part that hurts the most is you didn't tell me it happened and you got caught. So? How do we? How do we do it? I mean I've never been cheated on I don't think. that. I feel like that was like twenty times worse than someone cheating on you. I'm Eddie face of the marketplace podcast. This is uncomfortable and this week on the show keeping money secrets from your partner also known as financial. Infidelity. You have. So drops Thursday you can listen wherever you get your podcasts. In a few minutes how to keep a live performance career going when the venues are so limited. I'm David Brancaccio good morning to you. Tesla's quarterly results guidance about what is ahead or do after the market closes today. The company's been delivering a lot of electric vehicles lately and not just in the US marketplace's Samantha fields reports fill last seven months have been tough for a lot of businesses including many automakers but not for Tesla says Michelle Krebs of auto trader Tesla has done really well, I'll even despite the pandemic one reason for that, it is easy to buy a tesla from home says, Daniel Lives of Wedbush securities you could order of the Internet and. The course of two to three minutes. So the fact that many dealerships had to close for a while during the pandemic didn't matter for Tesla. The way it did for many carmakers and I've says one market in particular outside the US has been huge for the company. This year demand has skyrocketed in China. Tesla has dominated the electric vehicle market for a while, but that could be changing says, Michele crabs. The big challenge for Tesla is that they have a lot of competition coming from some of the major automakers like GM, Volkswagen and Ford. I'm Samantha Fields for marketplace. Now for many companies adding two million new customers over three months would be a laudable achievement, but it Netflix's expectations were higher. Still its stock was down in early trading today on news of slowing growth in new sign ups and its weakest quarterly gains in four years. MARKETPLACE'S NOVA SAFA JOINS US here we're generally stuck at home a lot these days maybe more time for watching streaming video right isn't Netflix's supposed to be benefiting. David. It's possible. We hit peak net Netflix's at least in the US or subscriber growth was essentially flat in the last quarter ending in September the company is still growing its audience overseas and for the year Netflix is ahead it's had record subscriber growth already and the company expects to hit two hundred million paying subscribers the world by the end of the year still David it's a question of expectations even Netflix in its previous forecast had not expected subscriber growth to slow down as much as it did in the last quarter. So what's Netflix saying about the road ahead? Well, over the long run, the company says it's still thinks there's a lot of room for streaming services as a whole to grow, but in the short term it signaling that yes perhaps, it won't grow as past especially if more people are able to resume normal life next year and Net flicks does have a lot of competition to. Just. In the last few months, we had two big players, enter the field comcast peacock at and T.'s HBO Max Disney's reconfiguring itself to prioritize streaming. So it was comcast's NBC universal. So the competition is getting hotter Netflix's did say it will finish one hundred fifty productions by the end of the year. So it won't be lacking for new content anytime soon to help with that competition. Novus off old enough to remember when Netflix's mainly sent plastic discs in the mail. NETFLIX's stock is down five percent now. There's news today that pay pal. The electronics payment system will now allow people to shop using cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin as well as hold digital currencies like this in their pay pal online wallet, the payments will be settled in regular currency. So you pay using bitcoin on your end, but the seller receives don pounds euros et Cetera in return. This marketplace podcast is supported by transfer wise. The smart new way to send and receive money. Internationally. Transfer Weiss gives you the real exchange rate every time you said money abroad you can even get an account that holds up to fifty four currencies at once and convert between them anytime join over eight million customers in more than eighty countries who are already saving. Try them out for free at transfer wise dot com slash marketplace, or download the APP. I've been enjoying zooming virtually into performances by my musician friends instead of a tip jar, there's van Mo, right but with live venues, staying close things are very tough. Even bars when they're open have limited capacity artists trying to adapt. Here's marketplace's Jasmine garst. As bars and concert venues shutdown this April Rene Clouds Eq, and her music label we're deciding what to do with her latest recordings. Released them on a new album as plan in the fall or hold off. We discussed a lot like whether it makes sense to try to hold a relief until it was the tour because it's just. So, much harder to sell records and to. To break even on A. Tour it things are also complicated because classic had lost one of her side gigs waitressing because of Cova. And even though music streaming has gotten more popular during the pandemic, it's not like a lot of that revenue is reaching smaller artists like her. Doctor Dog Eric Slick is the band's drummer when the pandemic hit he also went on employment. So he turned to something he hadn't done over a decade teach music over zoom, which he says was really hard to get used to with drumming in particular. It's very hard to diagnose issues with people's playing techniques through a camera screen. Some artists are starting to play live outdoors. The band smashmouth played a motorcycle rally in South Dakota back in August the rally has been linked to several hundred Cova. Cases. Slick says, Dr. Dog is not trying to court controversy with an in-person concert most he's done some live virtual shows mostly for charity. UPS and downs. There's days when I feel I don't know if I will ever have a career in live music ever again. Rene classic release that album after all last month it's called true romantic. She's just not sure what to do with it. Now, she's not going to tour and doesn't like the feel of virtual shows. Clouds does have a new job writing for the news site El Paso Matters. She says she feels lucky to have income at all music will always matter to people and. People need music during the global pandemic. Maybe more so than under less stressful circumstances, but at least for now, it will be how she pays her bills. I'm Jasmine Guards for marketplace. The. Associated. Press is now reporting the maker of the Painkiller oxycontin will plead guilty to three federal criminal charges as part of an eight billion dollar settlement of fraud and corruption charges. I'm David Brancaccio marketplace morning report from APM American public. Media. 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GSMC SciFi Podcast Episode 141: Harrison Ford

GSMC SciFi Podcast

1:16:23 hr | 10 months ago

GSMC SciFi Podcast Episode 141: Harrison Ford

"Golden state media concepts side podcast. Together we dive into the World Scifi science fiction from APSOS Star Trek Star Wars to the resident evil all the science fiction movie from the factor marvel or DC golden state media cuts sets Cy. Five cats you'll never put get sized stations. The same way again spent inside that brought to you by the GSM Z podcast network. I'm your host Alex you guys. It's been a pretty exciting day so far for sci-fi if you're avoiding stranger things spoilers well they're not really spoilers. They netflix released a new short videos under a minute. Long letting US know what is going to be happening a little bit in the next season so fast forward right now about thirty seconds. You don't WanNa hear it. Five four three two one all right. We've found hopper alive in Russia. He appears to be building some type of railroad system and he is in a very snowy part of the globe so pretty much everyone at the end of season. Three of stranger things was like. Hey looks like hoppers. Probably still live in Russia. He probably got over there. And he's he's alive over there it'll be fine and net flicks went ahead and confirmed that today. So I'm really excited about that. It is really cool hopper still. He's one of my favorite characters. So if you WANNA check that out they have that on Youtube now okay. We're done talking about the new stranger things spoiler now so if you were fast forwarding. It's safe to come back now. All right so I want to talk about a couple of different things today Most of them are going to be related to Harrison Ford because Harrison. Ford is bay. He was my very first crush when I was four years. Old as Han Solo on silo is my first crush. I wasn't really into actors at all growing up but Han Solo. He was my fav- used to walk around pretending to talk to him on a little. Pretend flip phone way back when and I always made my sister talk to luke if we were pretending to have boyfriends or a little Mike. I'm sorry Moluccas your boyfriend gross but I I WANNA talk a little bit of about Cynthia. Arenas new upcoming movie so if you are familiar with Cynthia Rios previous work. She was in Harriet recently. And was Oscar nominated but what you might be more familiar with if you are a big sci-fi fan is her. Podcast called carrier so in Carrier Cynthia. Areva's character raylene is a truck driver who discovers that her like her. Current cargo is a huge threat to the planet and these creatures and suffer coming after her while she's transporting it in her truck cross country they. This was originally a podcast with q code and Dan Blank. They created it and she was a main character. Now they are writing and directing the movie so Cynthia revolt is going to be the character raylene. Again on screen and Steven Spielberg's company Amblin. Entertainment has bought the rights for it. So this is very exciting. Both for her. I love her. I follow her on Instagram. And it's also very exciting for more Sifi. I love that. This character is a truck driver as well. And it's going to be really cool for everybody to to really become more familiar with carrier as we go along. A lot of. Podcasts are big deals in their own right now. Especially with a lot of the horror type. Podcasts I follow some that are like Appalachian Stories. That are really fun and this is no different but with Steven Spielberg's name on this. This one may be about to blow up so if you want to get a better idea of what carrier is going to be about. And if you if you don't mind spoilers or if you're like me and you're a fan of reading the books before the movies come out sometimes then you might really enjoy listening to the PODCAST I. I'm really stoked to that. All of the original people who were involved with it the creators and the actors will be involved in this as well. So keep an eye out for carrier in the next couple of years it was just recently announced so it may be a little bit before we get to see it. But in the meantime you can check out the podcast. All right. I also WanNa talk about Harrison Ford today. Just because he's the best I have always loved his work and I've loved him and pretty much everything he's ever been an even the non Sifi stuff. I'll watch something just because Harrison. Ford isn't it. I'm also very excited about his upcoming movie. Called the wild. That was one of my favorite books growing up. I read it so many times. Starting with the great illustrated classics for kids. So for him to be in. This movie is really exciting for me. And if there is anyone who can carry enough gravitas to pull off acting opposite of dog instill shine it is Harrison. Ford you guys. I am so here for it. I loved him and the New Star Wars movies as well. I mean. Of course my he's my I went on Solo so he did such a great job with that. I was really sad about you. Know his his final scene and the force awakens. That made me cry actually. I'm not a big crier. But they watched that opening night at seven PM and had also bought tickets for the ten thirty showing as well so I was watching these back to back and the first one I went to with Lake my best friends and stuff in the second one I went to with my co workers and I was just like. I'm not ready to watch this again. I was so upset because I was going to have to watch on die again and was just not prepared for it. I did not know when I bought all those tickets that I was going to have to watch that I thought it was just going to be really exciting to watch it two in a row. I mean it was also exciting but I cried both times and also a lot of the dudes that I went with cried when they lost on so I really enjoyed how wholesome that was in that I was not the only one crying. But it's very clear. How much Han Solo and Harrison Ford means to a lot of people my age. So you know in our thirties and stuff who grew up with these characters as well as people who are older than us who got to actually see the originals in theaters when they first came out sieber jealous but It was it was quite an experience getting to see him back on screen so I am stoked to see what all he does now and I really enjoyed his cameos in the other star. Wars movies really you know. I'm talking about before. Awakens is love Harrison Ford. No matter what he's he's awesome. I even watch that Anne Heche movie he was in. Were they get stuck on an island after their biplane goes down literally. I I will watch anything with that man in it. I'm not even that into romantic comedies. I've never seen the notebook I don't want to so I'm not a weepy girl. I'm not into like Marley and me. I haven't seen that one either. Never watched up. I don't feel inclined to so this was a big moment for me Losing Han but I enjoyed the movies regardless force awakens was not my favorite. Neither was the last Jedi. I really enjoyed rise of skywalker though which is funny. Because he's not really in it that much but it was. It was well done. I think J.J. Abrams did as good of a job as he could. At repairing the chaos essentially that Ryan Johnson left in his wake by making speed to in space. I'm still grumpy about that. But I still went and saw it to support star wars in general and I totally understand a lot of different people liked it and I'm glad if you liked it but I didn't necessarily I had a lot of problems about it but then again star wars isn't really Sifi per se. It is a fantasy space opera. There's not really science in Star Wars. If you sit back and think about it you know as we go back to like anikin referring to the lightsaber. A laser sword at one point and that kid is sitting there as like an engineering savant. And he should know the difference between a laser sword and a plasmas word and that in order for laser swords to exist. You'd have to have a cap on the other end to stop the laser from going on in perpetuity. But you know I digress. We're mostly here to talk about things. Have Han Solo in him and he was not in episode one so we are going to go and a quick break and we come back. We're going to talk about more things. Harrison Ford related. Here's an honest question. How are you supposed to know what to do with your money? Very few of us are exposed to meaningful advice on how to manage our finances. Even fewer have the means to get professional financial guidance. Betterman is a platform that was built to do something radical to give accessible financial advice. That puts you first. If you're like most Americans. Your money is probably sitting in a savings account. Likely earning you next to nothing. Maybe you have an investment account that you're not really sure what to do with Betterman can help you make sense of what to do with your money. Investing involves risk. 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Don't forget to like them on facebook and follow them on twitter visit. Gs MC PODCASTS DOT COM for more info took soon just before the break. We were talking a little bit about Cynthia. Rivas podcast coom movie with Stephen Spielberg carrier. And how that seems like it's going to be pretty dope. We are also talking a little bit about Harrison Ford and his new movie called a wild Harrison. Ford and general has been a big part of my childhood when I was little my favorite movies. Were Star Wars and Raiders of the Lost Ark? That's really my favorite of the Indiana Jones trilogies but I remember just vehemently hating Marian. Because she was not Princess Leia. I was so little time. My mom had a hard time explaining to me and really helping me grasp the concept that he was actually an actor named Harrison Ford and the princess lay could not be in this movie because it was a totally different universe. Now I knew that he was going by a different name. But I feel like Indiana Jones. Han Solo are both kind of scoundrel types so it was really easy for my tiny little child brain to go. No is the same person and you know those were filmed not too far apart from each other so he looked pretty similar in them too. So I just I was not a fan of Marian. I still don't like Marian as an adult. I did. Not like her and raiders of the lost Ark. She just yells all the time but I love the actress in Scrooge. So it's not her fault really. It's just A. I don't know I didn't like that character. I guess I didn't really enjoy seeing her comeback for the Kingdom of the crystal skull either. I've recently re watched both of those and I still don't like it but no offense to the actor's leg I totally can separate the actors from the actors at this point in my life. I am no longer for years old trying to Parse that out but I really enjoyed raiders because all adventure in it. Now you can say that about all the other Indiana Jones movies too and I do love those as well. But raiders was my favorite it was so mystical and wacky with how the Ark of the Covenant Actually Opens Up and amidst all the spirits that are you know torching these people to the ground essentially. I love watching people melt and watching. That guy's face mel off in raiders. Always stuck with me. I was also a huge fan of who framed Roger Rabbit and Robocop as a small child. I don't know why I liked watching. People's faces melt off so much. I think it might have just been like the Wax Component. I also really enjoyed house of wax later on. Yes I mean the one with Paris Hilton and Alicia Cuthbert. I really like that movie and watching. The WAX melts off of people's faces. It's really cool. I really WANNA go see Madame Toussaud's Wax Museum. I think we have one in San Antonio so I'm going to have to check that out at some point but I think that was kind of just born out of my love. For Harrison Ford and raiders. The Lost Ark is one of the first times that I saw that happen so I love that part and I love the scene where he falls down into the crypt and it is just absolutely full of snakes. And he's trying to take that like I of raw symbol and find where in the city. They should be digging really by focusing the light through it and we see echoes of that and other stories as we go along that feel very similar. Like in the mummy where they're using the mirrors to bounce the light through everything and I loved those types of concepts. We also have some that in Stargate as well with the mythology of raw and the Egyptian gods so a lot of that for me started with my love of Harrison Ford. I really also enjoy how he plays off of other characters and other actors. He's very funny. And he's very good at sarcasm. Oh my God I love that man sarcasm. I think that's where a lot of mine comes from. And a lot of my love of sarcasm in men comes from. Is that healthy or not? Who's to say it's just sarcasm. It's not necessarily hurtful. But I do love some solid sarcasm. Indiana Jones was a big part of that and so it was on Solo. So with raiders of the lost Ark. I really love the beginning where he is going in to obtain that little gold statue and he goes to put the sand on it. And you think everything's going to go great. And then everything starts crumbling around him. And he has the run down through the whole labyrinthine type tunnels that he got into obtain it anyway and was running from that giant Boulder. That is the MOST ICONIC SCENE. I swear and any Indiana Jones movie. And it's what I think of. When I think of Indiana Jones you can also see how how much it's impacted the rest of popular culture in video games like in crash bandicoot where he is running from those type of natural elements or he's running from a creature. That's barreling down after him. Those are really fun and it makes for a really great side Squirrel game as well so far. And it's really everything goes back to Harrison Ford. You guys everything. So in that movie he goes and keeps obtaining throughout all of Indiana Jones. He goes and tries to obtain these objects and it keeps yelling. They belong in a museum. It belongs in museum a couple of problems with it so one. Indiana Jones is the worst archaeologist and the history of archaeology. I swear like before I even went to Grad School for anthropology and became best friends with all of these archaeologists. I was like really this. This man is really bad about bringing these back like who who is funding him. I'm not even sure at this point. Who would continue funding him because he doesn't bring back any results. He just creates mayhem and kills a lot of Nazis are anti Nazi Groups Funding Indiana Jones. Who knows maybe one of my friends. Ask Me that the other day on my twitch stream and I thought that was hilarious and a good point so maybe groups like the Anti. Defamation League are Funding Indiana Jones rather than it being from like the National Institute of Justice or the NSF the National Science Foundation. Because Lord knows he is not bringing back anything he's just going out there and fighting so he's also not participating in his classes. So how is he a dean at the end of Crystal Skull? That man does not put in enough work and academia to be able to be the dean he would have to buy out his classes to go and do all these shenanigans or are we meant to believe he is doing this all during summer. Break or winter breaks. I don't know a lot of my professors do a lot of stuff during summer breaks. It's hard to get a hold of them if you are wanting to talk about your project or your thesis or anything because they are on digs of all types of different digs so maybe archaeological in nature and might be modern humans and exclamations other than excavations it just depends but this man does not have any results we never get to see any of the papers they. He writes about him if he is writing. These papers I'm assuming. He is though if he continues to get funding to go and do these shenanigans and is able to leave the classroom for that long and still get paid and still be at least on the roster. Professors does Indiana Jones. Just have tenure and they just can't find a way to fire him maybe. I don't know the other perspective that I think is interesting for. That is him arguing that he needs to go to all of these places and remove these artifacts to place them in a museum is a pretty colonialist mindset so Indiana Jones is fighting against the Nazis because the Nazis are wanting to use these different artifacts for you know as weapons for the most part the Nazis in and the last one. I believe she was Russian they wanted to do. Some PSI OPS with it but the crystal skull. So he's going through and he's he's finding its them because he thinks they're doing something wrong with them but also Indiana Jones cognitive. Isn't that much better? Because he is taking these artifacts from their natural areas and he's not working with local institutions to make sure that they stay and their cultural settings or that their culture is benefiting from it. It's really like how colonial England went and took all of these artifacts from the African continent and from India. Just really all over the world wherever the British empire was and house them in their collections. So if you're not familiar with a lot of archaeology or anthropology nowadays we have a big movement towards people wanting these artifacts returned to the areas they came from. They don't mean necessarily into the tombs per se but they do mean they want them returned to the people to which they belong. So if you are on the African continent and your artifacts from your specific country are being held in England. A lot of people are saying. Hey those need come back to my country. You don't have the right to that and you took that from here through colonizing and that is largely what a lot of Black Panther is about that movie so that is a real movement that is happening today and so anthropologists in general and archaeologist specifically were very excited to see that pop up in Black Panther. Because we've been seeing it in Indiana Jones this entire time so that's something to think about a little bit. He's kind of fuzzy on his ethics. In my opinion then again. A lot of this took place. I think around the forties or so so I think at the time line for it so Indiana Jones. At the time it was fighting also against tomb. Raiders like Lara Croft. Who were just taking things out of there? And we're going to sell them in another manner so they thought that maybe museums were the safest place for that does not mean that they are morally right just that history is complex and you can really think that you are the one in the right but you are still in the wrong from a different perspective. Something interesting to think about that. I enjoy philosophical discussion. All right. I'm going to go in another quick break. And when we come back we're GONNA talk some more about Harrison Ford this. What's This uploads about express? Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts. 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That is not going to let him go the spy his shenanigans all right so we talked quite a bit about raiders. And how I don't like Marian although I do appreciate the scene at the beginning where she is able to out. Drink the other person at the table. I'm always here for a strong female character and how she is able to use her wiles in the tent later on and then go to stab that guy. I'm here for it. I'm here for women using all the resources at their disposal to be a strong character. Then that includes sexual resources. I love volume elder on just as much as I while now not as much as I love Sam Carter. That would be alive Samantha. Carter is my favourite character in stargate. Her and Jack O'Neill or both my favorite. But I also love Vala and I love how they did not make them antagonistic towards each other even though they take two very different approaches. But my point is the Vala is more hyper sexual and she is more likely by far to use sexuality as a weapon towards men in particular she the first time we meet her and Prometheus unbound. She's using it against Daniel Jackson and he is so confused because she's alternately coming onto him and then also trying to knock him out so she can steal. But I love both of those characters and I liked that element of Marian. Even if I don't love her entirely as she is I do like certain aspects of her. Marianne is very much a never say die type woman and is going to do anything that she can anything she can think of to solve these problems even if she essentially gets a piggyback ride from Indiana Jones while they're going through the sewer because of the rats and stuff I mean. That's Kinda girly in silly but again not really girly innocence. Because Indiana Jones feels the same way about snakes so I also enjoy kind of the gender parity in raiders of the lost Ark. I think it's really interesting and fun. I love the little monkey in that show to the little monkey is so adorable. Makes me sad? Every time he eats the date and dies. But you know there's that there's also the whole bringing a knife to a gunfight scene where the guy comes at indy with the sword and indeed just shoots him. That is very funny to me and I really enjoyed that scene a lot. It always sticks out to me every time I watch it I also think that Kingdom of the crystal skull is not that bad you guys. I'm going to come out and say it. It's really not that bad. It does not make as little sense as a lot of people like to say it does so people who are really against the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull because of the Alien Component. I mean come on. We have the whole chest rate the Arca covenant carried throughout like the last third of that movie and Raiders of the Lost Ark and then spirits. Come up out of it and like meltsa people to death and burn them up. That's not weird but aliens. Being real would be weird and following the Nazca. Lines and stuff. Which are actual interest to archaeologists and the crystal skulls which are actual interest to bio archaeologists as? Well as just biological an apologist in general. Now as a biological anthropologist I will say that the prevailing hypotheses for that. It's just you know cranial modification. There are so many different types of cranial modification. That different cultures have participated in over the years and they have different names. There is one that's referred to by Lopate because it makes it look like you have to big brain lobes on the back of your head and it makes you look a lot like the aliens from Mars attacks which is really interesting to me. But there's another one where you know you buy injure your cranium your skull as your your cranium pleasure your mandible your jawbone so that's skull but if it doesn't have that part of the job part than it's Just a cranium so when I to it that's why I'm calling it a cranium. 'cause you're not binding the jaw just finding the cranial vault really. So they would bind it and a lot of South American and Central American groups with cloth and would wrap it in such a way that it would along gate the cranium upwards and towards the back and that's really cool and that's really what we're seeing a lot of in the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull with that Crystal Skull. Some folks also use some boards to go with it and would bind it in combination with boards and something Soft Lake. You know rope or some clause in order to get into shape that they wanted it to be so you can actually really do that to your cratia. I have a depression fracture in my great on the right side so ever meet John Real Life. You can come up and asked me if you can touch my the formed cranium. Make sure you get permission for so and make sure you know actually say yes before ended up but I have a long depression fracture in their from. When I was a child I fell off of the bed onto a radiator when my mom and I fell asleep both of us on the bed. She woke up crying so I've had fallen off the bed and I hit my head on the cranium on the the parietal so you know the big round Lobes side and they told her that it would go away in time but it didn't on its own so it's about two or three inches long and probably about a quarter of an inch deep or deeper and probably about and a little over an inch wide so this thing is is pretty good sized one of my professors who knows biological anthropology. He talks about it and his classes to indicate to people. You know you can live through something like that and still have this giant dent in your head but be a relatively normal person. I don't WanNa go through far STAS. Al Normal. I am per se but I am able to commune function. Just fine in that manner so I did not intentionally perform that cranial modification but I did study cranial modification in school so I had an entire class when I was studying anthropology and Undergrad on bone trauma and modification so it was not just diseases and trauma but also how people intentionally modify crane Lia so that is something real that people in different cultures used to do and crystal skulls are also real. They do an episode of stargate about it where they're also totally real and Nick Daniel Jackson's grandfather stairs into the eyes of this skull for a long and then he ends up transported to this other area so they've used that a lie in a bunch of different. Tv shows and movies over the years and that episode of Stargate came out before the Kingdom of the crystal skull. And it's not that weird to me. I also just think okay sure. It's aliens this time instead of spirits. Why is that that weird? I mean they also re somebody's heart out of their chested another point and it's like beating in his hand and there is another Indiana Jones Movie Temple Temple doom the last crusade where they have some guy who has lived in there as the guardian of the Temple and the chalice that Jesus was postive used to drink water from and that is supposed to help you live for a long time. I don't understand like why those things are supposed to be real but the others aren't. I think a lot of folks were just grumpy about the new one coming out and weren't happy that shy la Balthasar net. But you know what I like style too. I think he's really interesting as an artist and I liked his music video he was in his well for elastic heart. With Maddie Ziegler the song. So if you haven't seen that go check that out. It's pretty cool. It's contemporary dance. But it's also really weird and it's symbolic about the different parts inside of ourselves. That may be at war with each other so. I think that it's fine. I like Shylock off just fine. I did feel like it didn't flow the same as the old Indiana Jones movies. It was a little bit catchier and you know I like Cate Blanchett. But I didn't really love her in that role per se. She wasn't like as scary to me or is convincing of Avila. And she was when she played Galadriel or is any of the other villains from the Indiana Jones movies but I did enjoy that. She was playing a Russian character who was trying to participate in Cyrus because that was very much a real thing and history. And if you've played the command and conquer red alert games then you might already be familiar with that because the character Yuri is the special character for the Russians and he does psychic stuff. He does PSI OPS whereas the Americans Have Tanya and she just blows things up. Because I mean that's Super American Tanya like dual wields firearms that you cannot really do a willed as somebody Tanya size like in real life with any type of accuracy or precision or also without just the recoil breaking your ribs. But that's that's what Tania's thing is supposed to suspend your disbelief for a little bit because you have eerie on the other side doing the cy off stuff but that is what was going on. During parts of the Cold War they were trying to research all kinds of stuff and that included not just nuclear weapons but also stuff that we might look at today and go. What bit of true. They were doing psychic stuff so when they do the. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. If you know your history when you're like okay. Yeah it's not that weird where they're coming from with US where you're GonNa go another brink and when we come back we're gonNA talk some more about hairs and Ford movies. 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There's many many many different sub fields actually and when it comes down to it it really is dependent upon region and the timeframe that you are looking at and the specific context of the type of archaeology are interested in the type of human history that you're interested in so it's not surprising to me that somebody might say okay. I'm going to study the crystal skull in this particular culture. I had professors in college. Who specifically studied cultural anthropology of the Yana Mamo so they studied like this one particular group in depth and that was their thing they would do a couple other things here and there but when they were going down for the summer to go and study something that was their pick another archaeology professor studied strictly in Belize for the most part and another one conducted a lot of work in South Africa. So it really just depends if you are actually archaeology student though an anthropology student you get to this point and you're like hey that's not that weird people want answers about all kinds of things and you can find funding from someone for it. It's still a mystery as to who is funding Indiana Jones but Overall you can find someone who cares about that. There was a big crypto zoologist. Study back in. I WanNa say it was in the twenties or so in taxes and his name was Tom Slick. He was a millionaire. Who was really interested in the concept of big and the Yeti so he would fund all of these expeditions to Nepal. And all of these other places around the globe to try to find the Yeti and that was just his thing. It's very interesting to me how you can get money for these different things. So even if it's not a funding agency per se. You really might have some form of Rich Benefactor. Who's like yeah? I want the answers to this. I will pay for you to go and conduct the study. Give me your budget proposal and I will get back to you on how much money I can give you for this. So he was a real person and he founded the Southwest Research Institute. So this guy's from San Antonio. I read a book about him called. Tom Slick true-life encounters in crypto zoology. Before I moved to San Antonio but he is a big name around here as well and spent a lot of money in looking for crypto animals and also for were looking for world peace to the US and the USSR were on a nuclear collision. Course at one point and in nineteen fifty eight slick wrote a book called Permanent Peace about the slow reduction of armed forces to be replaced with global peacekeeping forces. Now that was one of his successful ideas but it. It is admirable that he was trying but he existed around the same time. That Indiana Jones is set so he was born in. I WANNA say like nineteen sixteen and he lived for quite a while. He was really inspired by Teddy Roosevelt in his expedition for finding and obtaining the first Giant Panda Nineteen Twenty eight. I think he killed it though but Tom. Slick was looking for a whole bunch of different animals. He looked for Nessie for some time. As well and Loch Ness and was a really big proponent of research and development focused scientific nonprofits in the country. So when you think about a lot of these different movies and these TV shows that talk about you know these rich people rounding these scientific institutes or even like in the venture brothers where the dad is running his own institute that his father had created and his brother also has one. It's really based on reality in a way it's really funny in some ways but it's awesome slick also met a man in India once who said that he could levitating teleport himself and slick really thought that that could be a huge boon to the construction business so he was merging creativity with practicality. And he's like hey if this man can really teach me how to levitating teleport stuff. Can you imagine what that's going to do for the construction industry when we no longer have to create these long railroads to transport all of these goods and then later on you know planes and trucking industries? So here's a really cool guy. I encourage you guys to check him out. A lot of SCI FI and speculative fiction in general particularly. The fantasy type is really associated with Tom. Slick it's really base in real life. Tom Slick also at one point went to go to Arkansas. And by a barnyard creature called a hoped that looks about half goat half hog and he read about it. And the Ripley's believe it or not comic so he purchased this creature and then tried to breed it with both hogs and goats. He was not successful in that attempt. But when you watch Ripley's and you think about these other types of speculative fiction as well it's really fun because he this there was a real person who really tried to go out there and in the fifties the government stopped letting him go to Nepal a lot because they were afraid they were going to kill a Yeti so that's really interesting and then in Nineteen fifty-nine State Department memo made that the official position of the US too so the US was like. Hey you guys can't kill Yetis so were hadn't even found a Yeti yet but they wanted to make sure that no one killed them so we've known about Yetis in the West since the late eighteen ninety s and you know we have come up with our own studies of that sense then and I think that they are really fun. My hometown has a big festival each year and is really fun. They do like a bigfoot calling contest and all this other stuff and it really cracks me up. A lot of people are over there and they sell bigfoot juice when my friends does that alley and it's really awesome. She says it can help you. Smell bigfoot from up to our big that helps fix that smell you from up to a mile away but also it doubles as bug spray. It's essential oils and stuff so I think that that is really fun and I love that. People are having fun with crept. Zoology and speculative fiction more and more as we get further along into the two thousands where people are just more open minded. Think about having fun with these things and about not making fun of people for loving DVD or video games or other Geek and nerd things so they have found some parts of what they believed to be yetis the time but I love. The analysis of those bones was inconclusive. Some people were pretty sure that they belong to Homo neanderthalensis. So you know they consider it to be debunked but overall it can be really fun and I see a lot of that. When I'm watching Indiana Jones? Well it reminds me of Thomas like he did die in nineteen sixty two. When his plane crashed in Montana he was going to hunt and Canada and look for sasquatch probably and was only forty six years old so he died a little young a freak accident but he did create a lot of strong studies or steady attempts. He funded a lot of studies in different types of paranormal things. So I also think about him when I think about dark angel and heroes or sanctuary. A lot of those shows really. Have you know a lot in common with with that? And what he was trying to do he was he tried to breed that hope creature as well and he was just a kind of eccentric millionaire that. I would aspire to be if I were a millionaire at. I think it's it's really fun. And he was living his life to the fullest. Like at one point. Nicholas Cage was almost in a movie about his life called Tom. Slick Monster Hunter. So they ended up not making the movie but it would have been really awesome and he was really the Indiana Jones of crypt. Zoology minded rich people at the time. It is a blast to read his biography as well. So I encourage you guys to check that out and that way you can also talk to me about this. Most people haven't read that book and I have met only the only person I know who is read. It is one of my professors in Grad School. I went to take her book one day because we both love reading about bigfoot and stuff we don't necessarily think he's real but we enjoy reading about it regardless and she had already read it so that was exciting but she's the only person I know who's read it so I need you guys Scott. Read that book so we can talk about a little bit and see how much he is like Indiana Jones record. We're going to go on another break and when we come back we're going to talk about blade runner the GMC life and happiness. Podcast TAKES YOU ON. A Journey of exploration. 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He did not get to do a lot of the oversight for the director's cut because he was working on Thelma and Louise at the time so he was never really happy with the director's cut. So here we cut it later on to be his director's cut for since the name had already been used director's cut. They called it. The final cut so that movie is about an hour and fifty seven minutes. I do believe but it's on net flicks right now. If you guys want to check it out it was really good. I enjoyed it. It's kind of really long so if you're not into something that's that long than you might want to watch the original. Although the original has the voiceover it has decades voiceover whereas the final cut does not have the voiceover at all. That was a little disconcerting. If you are familiar with blade runner so you're used to seeing at the other way and then it's just it's like a totally different movie almost at that point especially since it's so much more extended the theatrical cut. The original one in theaters was really good. It was absolutely a really great movie but really Scott was not a fan of that because they wanted him to have a happy ending and he did not enjoy the idea of having happy ending this. I mean it's a dystopia movie. I totally get where he's coming from with that but that undercut his intention to leave a lot of the film ambiguous both about philosophy and in regards to the narrative he was really looking for more of like a lady and the tiger type ending. Where you have. Somebody opened one of two doors on one side. There is going to be a tiger another side. Everything's GonNa be fine and you don't know which door does so. The person goes to open the door and then the story ends. So that's more or less the lady and the tiger type storyline and that's more of what really Scott was wanting to go for. He didn't want us to know weather. Decorated and Rachel ended up. Okay so the ending is different for blade runner. The final cut. It also has a lot more outright questioning whether decker is even human now. I did find myself wondering that and the original as well because he is like Rick Decker. Almost like a classic. I N T J. He's like I. Go and hunt replicates. There are good ones and there are bad ones or rather he frames. It is more being some that are problematic and ones that aren't problematic. And he's like if they aren't problematic. It's not my problem now. My pig not my farm. My job is just to find out if they're replicant and take care of them if they are a problem and I enjoy that aspect of it as a fellow. I think that that makes a lot of sense. He's like why fix something that's not broken more or less. Which is how I feel about my car windshield. But also it is broken. But it's not obscuring my line of vision so I don't think that that's a problem in my personal opinion. Is She a little bit ugly? Yeah but that is why I named for the Falcon. She's the fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy. So take that as you will but I think that Rick Decker really approaches being a blade runner. Or He's like he's like a kind of a cop. It's meant to hunt down replicates. So these replicates are sometimes really crazy like they're degrading biologically and it can be a little bit nutty and hyper aggressive so in blade runner. He's hunting down like four of them and he finds that the person who originally made these replicates also had been toying with implanting memories and certain people and certain replicates and so he wants to he wants decker to check out Rachel who is his like secretary more or less and so Rachel gets tested and Rick's like yeah. She's a she's replicant and he says it takes them about twenty to thirty questions cross reference to find that. So if you've seen that memo on the Internet but you haven't seen bladerunner where the meam says that you know you're a turtle on your you know you're you're in the desert and you see a turtle on its back and you're not helping it. Why aren't you helping it? Oh it's because you're also a turtle or whatever that's a big thing in bladerunner they ask you a lot of these weird questions to try to elicit emotional responses to differentiate between a replicant and a human. So that's what decker does he's Kinda reckless though he's running around this dystopia and future shooting at these characters when he shoots press. I believe he's in a very crowded area like outside and just running around shooting wildly and then the regular cops come and he's like. Oh yeah here's my a badge number my for being a blade runner and they're like okay. Cool you can go. They don't even get a statement and everything. He does wonders often the night after shooting somebody on the street. So that's really weird but I also love that. It's a very moody movie. It's like Kinda like a neo noir. Detective style especially with his voice overs in the original whereas you're missing that in the final cut so it does change the tone of the movie too. So if you've watched one but not the other I do recommend you go ahead and watch the other one. It is a lot of fun to see the differences in them and it was set in the dystopia. Future of twenty nineteen so we are now in a post blade runner era. Now have to for twenty forty nine to roll around about twenty nine years. So that'll be cool that I get to live through that as well but Hopefully hopefully fingers crossed. But it's really fun. How they tell the story and they added a lot of violence back into the movie that was perhaps shown in other countries but prohibited in the US when they did the final cut. So if you're here for you know really bloody violence and stuff and you didn't love the voice over so much maybe the director's cut is for you. It is a little bit. Listless how he delivers it in the theatrical cut and it doesn't really bother me though but the happy ending is a little bit confusing in context because it doesn't fit the tone of the rest of the movie but the director's cut does also pose the decker question. Where it's like. Is He also a replicate? And you're like wait a minute. You know he acts like really robotic in a lot of ways he's just like this is what I have to do. This is these are my parameters et Cetera. And he's really good at zeroing in on information we see that when he's talking to the computer and he's telling it to zoom in to get a specific picture that is part of a reflection in the background of another photo. So that's really interesting to me. And I liked the type of technology that they were using four it and how you can do some of that stuff today. When I used to work with Google glass we could you know? Say Okay. Glass take a picture and it would just go ahead and snap the picture for you. Okay glass take a video. It wouldn't let me zoom in like that at the time but it was really interesting to see that you know what they thought that twenty nineteen was going to look like in nineteen eighty two so with the final cut. It's kind of. It's pretty dark already darker but We have a longer version of the Unicorn. Dream some extra violent scenes as well and you know. The whole movie was restored and digitally remastered to feel like new. So I really like how it works and how it feels. If you didn't like the voice over it's gone at that point and this is the version that Ridley Scott really loved the most. It represents his original vision for the film and it was really awesome. They played it in theaters. And then release it in a multi box set. That had all three major versions of the film plus the international theatrical cut and the original work print which was what they had shown to test audiences and what was release in ninety and ninety. One is a director's cut without really Scott's permission so there are a couple of different ways to watch blade runner and you can really check it out right now. They have him on. I think they might also have it on Amazon right now but I watched it on Netflix. The other night while I was taking a bath and it was. You know. It's maybe not the most relaxing movie to watch. I was trying to relax. But it's a good movie and it has a lot of my favorite themes of you know dystopia and elements and also you get to hear Harrison. Ford talk really funny because he's trying to pretend that he works for a newspaper and he doesn't impression at one point so I thought that was really hilarious and adorable but you might not describe it adorable but I think he's adorable so he did a really great job in this and it really leaves us with a question of whether Rachel and decker are really going to make it out okay. We're not sure how that's going to end up. And it still has that classic. You know everything is going to fade like tears in the rain kind of quotes in there and I really enjoy that ending. I'm still a little bit confused by because you know that guy just worked so hard to kill him and then just kind of seems to can give up and just releases a dove but I mean it's whatever. Does it really matter in the end? Maybe he realized that deckert is also a replicant and so that guy at thought that they were the last four and so he was the last one at that point of their little group anyway and maybe recognize it in his eyes that he was a replicant. And that's why he decided to save him. I'm not sure maybe I missed something when I was watching it but it was overall really good and I recommend you guys watching the blade runner final cut if you have not watched it yet all right. We're going to go on a quick break when we come back we're going to talk about. You guessed it. We're going to talk about star. Wars the golden state media concepts travel podcast. The show that gives you advice on everything travel weeks or places. You've always wanted to go as well as giving tips for traveling in those places. We'll give you advice on the best sites for travel. Tips Information and discounts. Join US AS WE TRAVEL. The world explore cultures and meet New People the Golden State media concepts travel. Podcast got you covered. Download the GMC travel podcast on. Itunes stitcher soundcloud Google play or anywhere. You find podcasts just type. Gmc in the search bar just took best. We were talking about blade runner. The final cut in particular and the differences between the three different cuts. The final cut the director's cut and the theatrical version. So overall I really enjoy blade runner. I mean I watched that movie when I was a kid and some parts of it were dark. I do want to mention that. I feel that the relationship between decker and Rachel is a little dark and it seemed kind of abusive to me. It was it was upsetting to me. The way that she runs for the door and then he shoves her backwards and it's like no but calm down So there's that because they have not established that they have a media type relationship and that she understands she's in scene or anything in fact they barely know each other and we know that they barely know each other so it comes across as really weird and the consent is kind of dubious at that point. We see that she's still there when he comes back but also Rachel has nowhere else to go really because she's a replicant. So there's that there are some ethical considerations moral considerations in bladerunner that I meant to mention because it did make me uncomfortable watching that part as well I was like Ooh this kind of takes me out of the movie a Little Bit. Because it's like we haven't gotten to the point where we have established that decker is super brutal or anything in fact he seems like he has a pretty good head on our shoulders like okay. You're not a problem so you're not my problem. And then he gets physically violent with her so I got a lot of feelings about that. I have to watch it again and see if maybe I missed. Something can textually. That was supposed to make me okay with that or make it make sense before I you know reserve final. I reserve final judgment on it saying but don't have to check it out and see because it would just kind of was confusing and a little off putting for me now. I WanNa talk about star wars though. Let's Talk Hans Solo He's so dreamy now. Hans Solo is one of my favorite all-time characters. Now that said I did not like the Han Solo movie. It was not the worst thing I've ever seen but it was also not great in my personal opinion. I was actually upset by it When I went to go see a I saw solo but by myself at the theater and I went outside and sat on the hood of my car for like twenty minutes with my head and my hands going like what did I just watch. What was that day and I was just not a fan of it. I get it supposed to tie in with the you know the cartoons and stuff but I did not enjoy I thought print. She's or would have been a much better villain to go into it with that. But you know I get there wanting to leave some things in the e U and. That's fine but I just know. I don't care about Darth Maul. I don't want to bring him back. I thought he was really cool when I was a kid and now I'm just like really more darth Maul. So that Kinda me out and I also just did not like the choice of who they selected to play Han Solo for this. You know I I know that guy is a great actor in his own right and has been and some really great films where he really shown. This was not a good fit for him. In my opinion I was against it from the very beginning. I wanted Anthony in Gruber. Anthony in gruber does a fantastic Harrison Ford impression but he can also bring a lot to the movie himself. I think a lot of people were afraid that he was going to just do an impression upon so low but we see you know with childish Gambino or rather Donald Glover how he did such a fantastic job. Playing landfill risen where he brought in a lot of elements. There were associated with Billy Dee Williams but still made this younger character his own while keeping him true to the original source material. It is possible to do it. Anthony angry were also played Harrison Ford's younger counterpart in the movie age. Adeline I want to say. I haven't seen the whole moving again. I'm not see branch chick flicks I do like some chick flicks but I just never felt drawn to watch that one but I have watched the clips of it on Youtube of him helping her get her car going and then riding in the car with her and talking and he does such a fantastic job he even looks like him a little bit and he has the swagger down whereas Alden Aaron Rick did not have any of those things now. That is not necessarily completely on him. That's also in the casting director for that. That's on a bunch of other people for selecting him for it. However I feel like that movie could have been a lot better if we had had anthony in Gruber in it. I did like that. I like the character of Kira. I liked how she reminded me a little bit breath. Barron from the original Han Solo origin stories by crispin but overall you know a lot of the story I was just like. Why is this happening? That is happening. And I you know that that might just be me because a lot of a lot of my enjoyment of star wars is related to Harrison Ford. So in that way I just wanted more Harrison Ford and obviously he be in it and he's not interested in at that point he wanted to be killed off for a long time and I think the way that they decided to Kilhof. Even though I was really bummed about it eight was emotionally evocative and I will give J.J. Abrams credit for that but also especially Harrison Ford and Adam driver the way that they play that. And the Jason Sumitomo. I believe who plays Balk? At that point. It was so beautiful and upsetting and it should be upsetting. It really makes you like literally made me cry so I really enjoy how they did it. I know it was. You know a little bit. After when Harrison Ford originally wanted Han be killed off but they did it in such a powerful way and it really took his character arc kind of to the next level so I very much enjoyed that aspect of it in the original series. The original trilogy. Oh Man Han Solo. Absolutely slayed me. I love that character so much he is so Sassy and so arrogant and a lot of ways but you really see his heart kind of unfold as time goes on and so it was really sad to see that in the force awakens about how he in Latvia just were not able to be together anymore at a certain point because what happened with their son was so painful and they both dealt with it by essentially throwing themselves back into their work what they knew best and for lay that was the rebellion and for. Hahn going back to smuggling because it was just too much to be around the grief all the time and that happens to a lot of people who have degree for their children. And you know. They didn't necessarily lose Ben to death at that point but turning to the dark side for them that is like a death and it's super upsetting for layup because that happened with her father and the whole reason why she decided not to become a Jedi was because she was afraid of how that was going to impact Ben because she had seen into the future and solve their. She finished her training. How that would end for him and so it's just so heart wrenching. But the two of them do such an amazing job. Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford and really bringing that across even with something as simple as that hug where they're holding each other in the force awakens and that was so sweet and it also just divorced goals as well was. I really sad that they weren't together anymore. Yes I was very upset by that and I'm like how could you do that to me? That's the one thing I wanted. I just wanted them to be together forever. But you know it's not about me. It's about the narrative and I even though I I think there are other ways. We could have seen that Goto. I respect the way the narrative win and aspect because losing a child can really ranch families apart. No matter how much you love each other it can be incredibly difficult if you for whatever reason feel like you're unable to lean on the other person so. I thought that they did a fantastic job and I love that they still have it after all these years and Harrison Ford's line that's not how the force works so funny especially after you know all this time before where he's like. The forced doesn't exist despite the fact that his copilot and bff definitely new iota and was around during the clone wars and saw all that happened. So I mean I don't know did they. Wipe Julie's mind he's sworn to secrecy or does Shawn thank the chew. He's just old and superstitious. I don't know but you know Hon- went a long way and his character arc from going you know. Hey Yeah I don't think the force Israel you know it's it's luck and then really believing in it as his best friend and his wife developed or his partner at least develop their skills in it and he needs darth vader himself when he is on cloud city and tries to. Shoot Evan. Darth vader. Like rips the blaster out of his hand like at a certain point on cannot deny it anymore. And I really love how he is. One of the most well-developed characters in the entire saga in my personal opinion. Y'All know I love a good well-developed character and Han Solo is right up there. Even in the books to one of my favorites was the courtship of Princess Leia by Dave Wolverton and in that when they're trying to establish this new republic and they're thinking of marrying lay off to the court hates and hates are like it's like a system really and the prince in them will govern over the whole system and so they're like okay. That could be a really powerful political alliance and Laya having grown up on all their on is a princess and in politics is considering it and she's like. I don't really want to do this. But prints is lawyers pretty. He's pretty chill. Maybe it'll be fine and then Hawn like panics. And ends up kidnapping her and she balk about beats the crap out offense for kidnapping her shoving her into the cargo. Old along with Lake and oxygen masks and stuff is really messed up because like an oxygen tank down there and when she wakes up angry of course because it's and she's been kidnapped Chewbacca. Here's her banging. On the cargo hold area the smugglers area and goes in pulls her out. And it's just like what the heck man and it's it's just so good and a lot of the. The writers have really gotten a good grasp of Harrison. Ford's portrayal of Hawn in Osvaldo those books. And if you haven't checked out the extended universe I really recommend it. Harrison Ford honestly really set the tone for that character and you can hear him in it like how they have a lot of the phrasing in it and Harrison Ford was known to have said to George Lucas. You write this George. But you can't say it and it's very funny to me because that's so Hans so Indiana Jones and that's because even though these things are written by other people and there are directors involved also guiding the process and there's also editors in the cutting room floor deciding what stays and goes you can really feel how much of Harrison Ford is in all of his characters and I absolutely loved that he went from like set carpenter to this amazing actor. We know today who has influenced my life and I'm sure a lot of yours especially in you know. Asai fine. Speculative fiction context in such a deep and impactful way. So I owe a lot of who I am to Harrison Ford my taste in men and also how I act myself is my taste in men me. Maybe I don't know maybe I just want to Harrison. 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Android Phones are for Bad Guys CONFIRMED - WAN Show Feb 28, 2020

The WAN Show Podcast

1:07:25 hr | 9 months ago

Android Phones are for Bad Guys CONFIRMED - WAN Show Feb 28, 2020

"Yeah Oh Dang it I knew was forget. Okay intro the show. Hey how's it going another another one show going to be great as per usual? We've got awesome topics. No not as per usual actually got a lot of great topics that well no but the show is always awesome. Point all is it. Yeah okay even when it's bad it's not that bad see other works anyways. Iphones are apparently not for bad guys. So only Only Evil People. Use androids is what? I'm differing from that. That doesn't need to make sense. Don't worry about it. Microsoft drops xbox series x techs specs. And they're actually pretty exciting. Slick raps apologizes to customers after comically bad data breach essentially. Just everything th wow. That's great yeah. Let's just stick with that. This is the last show. Now I look at me. I'm your captain. Now that was that was what the streams and the US Senate is going to give small. Sp's one billion dollars to remove while way and Z. T. E. Network hardware exciting interest green. It was just. I didn't know those cattle shed on the outside this all right so I have an exciting announcement to make. Okay a fourth one. I'm kidding a fourth tech. So do you remember the very first piece of Merch we ever did? You still have you still have also. So this is the classic. The classic Bro Fast. And this the shirt I'm wearing is actually the first ever. Lt March shirt it was. It was super weird we. I think it's still on cafe. Press actually hold on Cafe Press Dot Com cafe press still exists apparently all right in a long time but Linas Tech Tips. Let's see no matter. Okay Linus Oh stop sites that take over your fricken per sir are bad. Why is that? Why is it gifts? Does the bad site. The bad site just puts in gifts man Linus unblocks. Maybe oh it's that's true. Yeah okay well. Whatever it used to be on Lt March but not yes. Yes so. This was the first ever L. M. G. Shirt. We are finally updating. It not really updating and it's completely different but there is a new shirt oh my dot. Com. This is a cool way of doing. That's what I had forgotten to putting. That's pretty sick. Yeah and so for people who don't for weekly analysis and news. There's some of that and also wide area network because I love double entendre so it was an actual reason. Why that's the actual reason. Has that that name. I was just trying to come up with something that sounded more professional than the wide area network show so it was just supposed to be like the Internet show like the show on the Internet. The wind chill get it because it's streaming on the fan. Tell people right away. I feel like we told people later. On what is said. I'm not I'm not sure we. We might not have told people right away either. Way What stands for non important so yeah new shirt. Ltd STORE DOT COM. Let's jump right into our first topic of the day. According to Director Ryan Johnson. One quick thing just for Nick. There's relatively new shipping rates so shipping is a lot cheaper now especially outside of Canada. If it's been awhile since you've checked it maybe check again cheaper now. I don't know the exact prices but there's a long story but basically we found a whole bunch of stealth hoodies at the warehouse. Yes I'm yet. Nick was like hey good news. We have way more stealth hoodies than I said we had. And I'm like okay. That's good news for out of stock yet. But that's really bad news because it means we're not tracking our inventory properly so we need to crack the whip on that a little bit so you can pick up the new shirt steady all that good stuff all right so toasted by Phil One. Oh four on the forum. The original sources from BBC DOT CO DOT UK. According to Director Ryan Johnson. And you didn't even get as far as letting me say his name without jumping in when we were chatting about this pre show. What is your deal? Really? You're just GONNA talk. I'd use your words. You need to use your words. He he hurt. He hurt me. Did he touch you in my Star Wars? I personally I know there's different opinions on this and I don't want to start a war. I personally do not appreciate star war the I two. Oh that's brutal. I personally do not appreciate the things I was GONNA say contribution but I was like. I don't think that's a worthy word. The things that he did to to Star Wars Star Wars universe. You're just because Mark Hamill. That's part it wrong wrong. You're not wrong here. I don't know I don't want to get way too far into that. Basically I find this part of something that he had to do with kind of Hilarious for his latest film which is a crime mystery. Wow surprising there's one character who couldn't have an iphone because they're like a bad guy. Yeah so I actually watched this movie like a couple of days ago. It's called Nightingale so this would be assuming lead whatever knives out to is going to be. I'm assuming I guess. Because he he was talking but like no. This seems to be past tense. Yep seems okay. So here's the funny thing. I remember running into this quite a little while ago. So in Apple's TS AND CS FOR THEIR PRODUCTS. You actually agree by opening it. And by clicking I agree you actually agree that you will not show. Their logo is one of the things you agree to and you agree that you will not use it for video production purposes or something like that like. I remember reading through it. And it's like you're not allowed to show the apple logo on a thing. You bought like individually wave that for good guys but they will in their terms of service that they can come after you for it. But they for the most part. Don't enforce it because I was looking at that going. I only ran into it back when we were trying to do a review of like the iphone. Se or something. Like that was when I became aware of it because I just like I saw it there announced like what. Yeah yeah without. Live to tape over the filming a on it. Yeah EXAC exactly no went pear-shaped fast. So I was slanted up looking into how someone can possibly enforce what you can or cannot do with an object that you buy. Because it's really it's a really grey area so on the one hand they own that logo like that's their trademark and copyright and Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. But on the other hand. It's not my fault. They put it on the thing I bought. I'm not going to be like. Oh no sorry hold on hold on Yeah. We can take the family picture. Let me just put my phone away. So the logo is not showing. Because I promised apple I wouldn't show it to anybody like and it's not even apples. Best interest to have people hiding their apple logo specifically isn't even want that unless they're hiding the apple logos for bad guys so in knives out. I think I'm not really spoiling anything because it's a murder mystery. Someone's got to be the bad guy. Apparently apple has a policy so they did not allow the bad person to use an iphone. Because they have a policy where you're allowed to use iphones and movies. Oh thank you. Thank you Grayson apple we promote your product for free. Oh yes thank you. Please join me more lessons. But only if it's a good guy so it seems like if I were to watch another murder mystery sometime in the future. I could now have the movie spoiled for me by APPLE'S INANE POLICY. So there's like a bunch of people with iphones and one person with not an iphone. You're like oh well okay I just. This is one of those things that I don't go as far as some of our viewers do on this where there's people out there that don't understand why brands don't want their their product running as a youtube pre roll on a very controversial video for example. You know like why I'm not I'm not. I don't know that this is their policy. I'm just going to pick a name. You know. Wall store DOT COM or whatever. Okay it's not a real company unless it is okay. Hold on a second real. Fake WELLS DOT COM K. Wall store DOT COM is this. The thing camped domain has actually kind of expected that to be a thing. All STORE DOT COM. Hold on a second. Please tell me please tell me is available. I Want Wall Store Dot Com candy. There was a domain purchased on a Friday and the accounting department came to me asking if we bought online show because they couldn't forget who we do that something like that they would come to you if we bought this one no problem. I mean some Canadian rubles. That's like forty grand so sorry what we're talking about again. No yes right so I get it. I get. Why a brand wouldn't want their their name and their logo right before you know some very graphic or disturbing video wall store. They spent so much money on demand. Yeah or one that or one that expresses views that you know some people might associate with their brand in that they consider a dozen represent their brand values. I understand that sort of like on the one hand see the Oh man I see both sides of this one because on the one hand I can see why a brand doesn't want their logo right next to you. Know what if the first frame of this video is like someone screeching f words about you know some ethnic minority or something like you. Don't you don't need that. It's kind of like when people take out of context. Well I'm not saying that that guy whose name starts with an H. Was Right where people. Just take that clip like. It's not helpful. You know what I mean for their image But I also see the argument where people say look who was stupid enough to think that some ad running on Youtube somehow means that. Yeah that data sources you know baby slavery or whatever they some stuff that's a little funky with that though because is because you can buy ads and target so like when you said something that could be stereotypically related to a brand. But they don't want it to be there because they don't agree with that association. If they just spread video randomly it could land there. And then people could think that it was yup targeted for that and that reinforces that idea because there is manipulation behind the scenes. It makes it a little bit worse and people could assume that it was on purpose is what you mean. Yeah so that's a fair point But I also think that some of it gets to the point of being kind of irrational so we had a recent episode of Tech linked where we discussed the ongoing health problems thing in the world and we got We got a yellow dollar sign instead of a green one which meant limited advertising and less ridiculous. Well yes no see I don I see it from both sides because don't touch your eyes by the way that's bad. I was touching my eyes. Don't do that The boy okay. So on the one hand that seems ridiculous just because someone is talking about. Let's say I have a video coming out tomorrow. Online tech tips channel. Where I'm going to be discussing. What think are going to be the effects on pricing and availability of computer hardware due to the manufacturing shutdowns? And I I end up tiptoeing around naming the issue that's going on because if I talk about it directly. I'm afraid that my video is going to get to monetize. That seems absurd. It feels like a monster station version of like speech control to a certain degree. But the flip side is I can see how I find an advertiser or if I'm the youtube platform I don't want everybody in their dog jumping onto the latest viral spread or the latest mass shooting. The latest you know genocide or whatever it is making you know that video this thing was so bad and just talking about nothing for ten minutes so they can cash in on keyword. I also have a pretty strong objection to that behavior. Just making sure that you're the first to make a video about. Yeah I to tweet about how bad something is. We know it's bad. Thank you very much for that. We have brains. We can think it's hard to know. Automatically differentiate between the content that has that subject in it that is quality and the content that has a subject that is just a waste of space and time. So let's let's try to come up with the right answer to this one if you're apple. Do you allow bad guys to use iphones? Knowing that is it is within your right to control how your trademarked and or copyrighted imagery is displayed in a commercial production like Hollywood film. If it was me Yup without the context of you potentially countering I would now. I am considering that like what does that bad guy do. Iphones are for Douche. Whatever's bags is on a bad word? Whatever is like a thing? If you're bad guy is that you're reinforcing that stereotype so it is stereotype so I could see if that starts becoming a problem for their marketing department right. Their Marketing Department might not might WANNA counter that. But there's also good guys that are deuce bags so like. I don't think you're I don't necessarily know that accomplishes any the right answer is because honestly if it was me I would probably care a little bit lake when we distributed lt water bottles and underwear and all that kind of stuff to influencers. That's yours when we distributed a bunch of water bottles and stuff to influencers. It's not like I went out and found people that I think our heads and like racing. This isn't apple distributing the phones for the movies. That's true this is this would be like you telling influence or that. You'll sue them if they use your water bottle. That's true but I guess what I'm saying is if I if I have the ability to have my merchandise be in the hands and on a rumps of people that I think are coup versus. If it's on someone that I think is not cou. I would definitely choose that not that. I not that I actually think any of our viewers are stupid enough to think because some butthead actually whole okay maybe maybe this matters more than I thought they think about supreme. Yes see someone wearing a supreme hat for. I thought go rich. Really bad with money Douche. Okay so maybe this matters. I wonder if this is a policy that came about because apple had problems with it. Because you think about it if they recognize that perception like nowadays android phones cost as much or more than an iphone. But in the early days of the iphone it was very very expensive and like a status symbol that could have potentially been utilized as a way to portray someone as snobby in a film some. Maybe I think eras stereotype came from. I don't really think it applies. Well anymore I mean that would be that would be like the early like three four five era but that's when those types of things get establish rain interesting one that would bring up is in terms of like association that you don't ask for and it goes really poorly is. I'm going to use words that sound like I'm not serious about it but it's just because I don't want the video to get in trouble that hugh thing that was really bad. That happened in New Zealand. Yes he named pupae. Yes and for some reason even though Felix had nothing to do with it all of a sudden there's this association so we can say our audience is dumb enough to do that but people as a whole clearly have trouble differentiating and like I wouldn't really. I don't to be very clear. I don't care what they do because who cares. What person uses a phone in a multi-million dollar movie production like yeah whatever? Whatever I don't know it just it just it's so like I can't imagine someone on this where they're like infuriated. In my movie everyone would use rotary phones. I actually watched actually be Larry. I've watched honey. I shrunk the kids with my kids the other name for another one. No NO RICK. Moranis is coming. Uh I mean I wouldn't have picked the shrunk the kids franchise if I was to. I'm pretty lights. Hey Ricky come on back to do a movie place Rick Moranis to make honey. I shrunk the kids review after twenty-three year break wow actor in. Oh my God. This website is horrible. Look at this viewpoint. Yard and privacy is very important actually you know what it's okay when you click. It goes but but look at this look at this viewpoint. I know just click click. You're okay with that. It's okay it's okay. No why would he come? Back with a reboot though he did so much original stuff officially returning. I'm actually I'm kind of jazz though I'm Gonna. I'M GONNA go see that. Yeah I think that's really cool. You know what? That movie is extraordinarily poorly rated on rotten tomatoes and stuff. Yeah it's it's funny seeing it's funny reading critics reviews of kids movies. Bet You watched when you were a kid right because you've got that established filter for it where you appreciate it for what. It was a movie for kids whereas they're going in and talking about how the narrative flow wasn't this or the the acting of the kids was not that or whatever and I'm looking at it going dude I was like six. It was awesome. What are you talking about? My kids loved it which is surprising given how out of date a lot of things inherently are about it like the idea that you would need an intercom in your house. Talk to someone on another four. You know just and that that was like a Gooky your high tech idea okay. Business Idea yes spoiled. Candy Review Waiting Webs Review Rating website. Just for kids movies and stuff not based on professional critics based on case on kids that just press the button as they leave the theater. Did you just call it a theatre Cinema Theatre Theatre Canadian? I don't know But you just press the button I like it and you could maybe even have like the attendant guy that's board anyways at the whatever. Just make sure that they don't like. Yeah Yeah Yeah but like things just press the button. And that's all the input. Are you allowed to collect data from kids? Would you even be allowed to collect so this is why this is my kids. Don't know what to watch in the name. Yeah I like that one. I'm going to call it that but maybe of the parent president But like if it'd be cool is that yeah. That would be bad. Wouldn't it because that would be collecting data from kids? That's quite all right well. I'm excited to see Rick Moranis. Come back he's a Canadian. Treasure Team stepped back to take after. Take after to look after his family after his wife unexpectedly passed away if I recall correctly and I really respected that decision also been twenty three years so I respect. Yeah that's cool. I think kids are probably slightly ten grown up at this point for not in which case. I guess he wasn't doing a great job anyway. That's not a nice thing to say but I I know I know nothing about his family life. And that's been kind of the point is he's just the fact that he made that move and the fact that he dedicated to that move makes me assume that he's probably. I respect it. I respect just like I respect my transition Vesey foot. Where can I get you to hold this water for me service? Why thank you Anna Vesey? Footwear it's waterproof. Check this out. No water at all. No I'm just kidding. You can't actually pour the water into this show. Best Foot wear. The shoes are super light. They are waterproof. You can walk through the mud. 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With a single accountant we are gonNA move on to the rest of the show. Microsoft drops the xbox series ex tech specs. And they're actually looking pretty good but nothing really that unexpected so they're confirming the consoles. Ap YOU IS USING. Hindi really really wants to take off. They try. They're still trying. I love it thousand. Misshapen heart let me see if I can do any better than that would have been more accurate though. Yeah it's like perfect so the US using amd's our DNA to architecture for the Integrated Graphics Amdi previously disclosed that Rda to would include hardware ray. Tracing functionality The GP alone will have twelve zero flops shooting power twice as much as the current xbox one x okay I mean. That's not that fast. That new horsepower will be used to drive framework up to one hundred one. The new council support each to my two point one something that no consumer graphics card does. Yeah now I mean. The console is not coming up for another eight months. Whatever by the time I'm pretty sure and videos Three thousand series is going to be out. Okay variable rate shading will also feature okay on the new console. It is a good feature. I'm I'm happy to see that feature will be supported especially because even if this. Gps is not going to run next generation games at like eight K. Sixty F- ps or whatever HD? My two point one means and it will have enough power to decode video for example. It should my two point. One means that this will be Edward future-proof or your sixty Hertz AK TV that you upgrade down the line as content eventually rolls out and it's nice that they're forward thinking enough to be pushing something that's going to be like very very new at that time because people use these X. boxes for very long periods of quick resume. Sounds pretty cool sweet so this feature saves the state of Multiple Games so that players can jump around in apps like they do on their phones very very very cool if you are like a caterer something in a family in your share of the xbox and it's like adults in a family and you share the consulates nine that's right you know it pretty much. Yeah I mean say stage states I. It's not quite the same as safe states for. You could save it and come back to it later Monday. So many games have auto save now. Save states aren't really a major concern. But I could see this being great for just like the kind of person who kind of jumps around from one thing to another like if you're into single player games and you just like you know what that's enough tomb. Raider Finale on board. I'm going to switch over to you. Know I wanted to say uncharted but yeah I can see that being an absolutely fantastic feature. Another thing is audio ray tracing okay okay okay. Can everybody just chill lacks a little bit on the whole audio ray? Tracing thing audio retracing the feature the future is described as as raised that would broadcast from the characters ears and then be traced as the announce off and interact with the environment. Okay this is called. What was it ex. I think environmental audio extension. Hold on a second x five. Let's see little pure path shoot. Hold on Oh you know what I might be wrong. I've heard it called this before creative. Creative might have never had a like a ray traced style of audio bouncing. I thought I've heard I caught this not within the last bit. I've heard it called this like year two ago. Well I think the win. Amd LAUNCHED THEIR HAWAII series of. They were talking about this Hawaii. Gpu audio well I think. Vr works audio. I'm trying to look it up right now. I think the audio also works kind of the same way. True audio is what? Amd called this thing. True Audio MD just trying to think. Gpo pinch through audio dedicated co-processor. How'd that work out for you? Expensive advanced audio signal processing lake collusion reverberation effects video effects. So in video was calling it. Path traced audio like a couple of years ago or a few years ago. Somewhere on their sorry. We're like doing research for the show on the show. But you guys knew what you were tuning into. Creative path traced audio. Hey I was sure they did something with their like hardware. Audio processors like way way back in the day. Oh well I I I could be wrong. I could be wrong. Yeah there was a reddit thread. There that's had traced sound and it was a post from two thousand eighteen so it's been a I don't know if there's been a super established term but people seem to be sticking with the story no one seems to How this line is still look straight out of two thousand eight. But he's still fly af one hundred. Hey I'm not a hundred okay. Jeez anyway that sounds super cool. I guess sure playstation five has been hinted at having this as well. I wonder if it actually uses the same like some successor to true audio. Although I thought they killed the true audio processor on on a subsequent. Gpa maybe they're bringing it back or something or maybe they're just doing it in compute slick raps. This was epic unbelievable. You did you follow this whole thing. Did you read the whole article on medium? I did not read the whole article. Nine was taken down. Probably mirrored somewhere. But I didn't I found here okay. Yeah it was never get back up on medium. Not as far as I know how interesting I haven't been following this way too closely. I looked into it a little bit kind of laughed and then moved on leaks are so common. These days like have been pony has so much stuff on it. Yeah this is hi Larry so slick raps as a maker of vinyl skins for phones tablets and other electronics and they announced last week that they suffered a data breach the announcement came after many customers received an email from slick raps that appeared to be sent by a hacker who was inside their system claiming to have stolen customer data. The person who sent this email said they learn how to access craps data by reading a now deleted medium post by an individual that goes by the alias. Links zero x zero zero links. Claimed that the slick raps phone case paid vulnerability the loud someone to upload any file to any location in the highest directory on their server. They said they used the vulnerability to access resumes of current and past wraps employees. Nine gigs of customer photos uploaded to the case customization tool all slick raps admin account details including password all current and historical customer billing addresses shipping addresses email addresses phone numbers and their customer transaction history. They even had total revenue numbers for the company. They had everything. They even got access to the company's content management system. The best part is the twitter. Dm's so this penetration tester attempted to reach out to slick raps and get them to fix the issues. Starting with of course looking for a bounty. Which would be great. And then eventually settling on you guys just need to like actually fix this slick. Raps was as spectacularly unhelpful as. They could have possibly being happy to help. What's your number or are you looking for a bounty unblocked me done. Then they say hello. We're not looking for a bounty. We're not looking feud actively we're looking for you to notify your customers of the data breach Blah Blah Blah etcetera etcetera etcetera and. They claim. The account was run by a third party. Where are you doing this? Are you able to help? We're just a social team K. And then they just like blocked him so he said so. Oh yeah this is great. Found the email by looking through the company. Records access through the vulnerabilities after sending the email he was blocked again by AD. Slick raps within three minutes. Like just the amount of trying. I wasn't screen sharing with you. Guys the amount of but covering that was going on here was just amazing. So did he did. He inform them before this. Yes yes so. That's that's really the crazy thing to me. So if you run anything on the web you will very likely at some point in time. Be contacted by someone and they're gonNA go. Oh Hey I know you should probably update these things. They're not great. You should probably do that like immediately. Yeah or at least like look into it and make sure they're not dating you into zero day or something like that like just do a little bit of research make sure it's not nefarious but like there's a lot of people out there that are really really good at stuff and they will often try to help you and it's very very nice when they do so don't don't just like block them and treat them badly because they probably all already know how to screw you up so be nice like. I don't. I don't understand how that's difficult logic to to comprehend. I just I don't know they`re. They're doing a really big favor. He here's the archived medium article payment gateway logs in the news at this point. I deleted their entire company So they sent them a couple of tweets. The first one was less obtuse than that like. It was a little bit more specific. Looks like your customers aren't happy. So they posted this as like a screen shot. They took from the internal system and then slick tried to reach out being like. Oh what's the problem with your case? Like not that like the whole thing is just so much fail and they went back and they went in and they were trying to fix things internally but they fixed it all wrong. They didn't fix the actual exploit that was allowing this penetrating tests. Whatever they wanted X. Oh okay well rip slick raps. I suppose Once again I have dodged a bullet to my. Yeah I don't think we ever worked with slick raps. Oh Yeah I think. The brand shop from From zero so they get ya. I just want to call attention to like the sheer amount of data breaches and remind people to just try to have been phoned dot com. This website is actually pretty awesome. Hans Amazing runs. It really cool setup like I mean you can see slick raps accounts right here but there's also lots of other breaches recently added and has one for like twenty sixteen but I'm assuming a adults finder. I pay those can't be real. There's no way to love how if I had one hundred and seventy million users real love one hundred and sixty nine adult friend finder exist. I used to see banner ads for it all the time back before. Like banner ads for people. Yeah I have no IDEA I. My favorite one was that was that a cheating on your partner website. And Ashley Madison. Yes that was when they got breached and like you had to have some real incomes. I wonder how many relationships ended because of that breach. I don't know I would say dot -nificant surprisingly quiet right afterwards which I found interesting But yeah there's tons of breaches all the time. Update your passwords all over the place. Because you don't want like you're I don't know you're ready to count to get breached and then allow that to make it so that people can get into your bank or something like that so just just try to try to separate your accounts get a password. Managers split everything. I had the big announcement tickets. Lt x twenty twenty are going live next. Friday march the sixth that noon Pacific Standard Time. Wow so there's a news post with ticket pricing. We'RE GONNA go ahead and pull that up for you guys. But I'm past thirty five bucks Sunday past thirty five bucks to pass sixty bucks deal be while C. Pass. Ninety five dollars also includes a two-day pounds dream happy while C plus past. Wait hold on Plus Pass Pass plus today. What what. I don't understand that okay. We're GONNA have to work that. Don't worry about it. Fortunately the ticket sales are not live. So wait plus. I don't know about B. Y. O. C. Plus Plus K. We should use the word plus my goodness. Yeah I will let I will let chase no That we should use the word plus. Actually he'll probably hear it through the grapevine at this point Yeah that's really. Unfortunately misleading. But yeah no sales yet. So plus dream plus this year we are expanding the Bureau C- TO FEATURE. A bureau obvious. Byu PLUS OPTION WITH AN IMPROVED ONE GIG. Uplink increase connection speeds and an exclusive dream. Hack ex LT X. Merch ITEM COOL SO FAST. Internet and merch sweet. The office tour is fifty bucks and limited availability the VIP passes five hundred and limited availability in the merge. Pack is thirty bucks. I don't know what's included in the merge pack. I guess we'll find out shirt. Oh Yeah it looks really sharp person. That's really cool. Yeah so one thing I will. I'm just going to throw a note in there because some people might be like. Whoa the Bureau C- plus passes like real expensive getting faster. Internet in one of these situations is real freaking expense and very important. Forget to download some like. Let's say for example call of duty. Modern warfare download that before. I actually get into that game so the first time that I installed it was yesterday and I was like I says. Pardon Trittin Sixty gigs for a game. I'm telling you we shouldn't have abandoned the discs disc would you put that on many Blu rays? Dvd going back to remember when far cry came on five. Blue Five CDs. It's still easier to manage that. They have they have Multi-layer is there one big enough? They can hold the no two hundred eight. I can't remember it ever get to relevant for awhile patches. Anyway what can I do for you? Did you figure out the list of that you were confused by the? Oh Yeah we did. We're just saying really dont Portland. Njit pass shouldn't look different than all the other ones. Why is it in the middle of the thing and just looking different than I thought? That was a category. I didn't see it before it went up. So let's get change it. Let's get those. This looks great. Yeah no it's awesome. That whole thing looks great. And the whole picture APPS commercial pact looks good job good job. I know you didn't do any good job overseeing that. Yeah Yeah Yeah Guess. You can buy a ticket and of Yankee ticket without having to pay the extra sixty dollars for tickets. How they're setting that up if you can afford a VIP ticket. It probably doesn't matter but I'm just saying some people off because they like you. I don't think they like me. I don't think they like me. Excuse to katzman person can't be rate can't be right. Also we. I think we talked through the confirmed guests last year. But we do have some attractions. Let's see here we go. This is screen. Pc build workshop beginner's guide to water cooling my first three D print soldering one. Oh one don't worry I won't be teaching. It vintage computers courtesy of Tex engines a previously known as a coup. Oh that's probably a better name. Find your favorite mechanical switches. So we're going to have thirty-six keyboards that appear identical future range of tactile clicky and linear switches under the hood. Very cool you guys. So one thing about this is actually really liked one of the keyboards in that test. That I tried to look up buying one afterwards because mikey boy still doesn't work and I have no idea how to fix it And I can find any so you guys should have like one. Here's an affiliate link down. We should do that. Yeah we're getting rid of minesweeper. No more minesweeper challenge it's going to be space cadet table this time. That's super cool. Yeah that's really cool there will. There will be prizes. That's awesome. We've got a thumbnail editing. Challenge Haidar thumbnails. Let's see how you could do a better We're going to have swag mountain. Get BOULDERING PARTNERING WITH PROJECT. Climbing to bring a twenty five foot portable climbing wall to lt x this year because why not single player. Vr ESCAPE VR. Oh they're going to be back. Oh heck yeah up to six players simultaneously bring your friend. Old School One v One. Oh dislike so this was at lt x twenty eighteen. Remember that just like stupid randoms like one V one ED I played quake three in someone. One Gucci Sandals off me. Oh so yeah. We'll do prizes and stuff great. We're GONNA have a free play zone. There's GonNa be a lounge with arcade games retro consoles a Console Land Party just to arrest area and just like lots of. There's going to be so much stuff. Yes MODs GUN BS. My own heck yeah of course but like. I'm still excited. There's GonNa be lots of special guests. I mean we've talked through it last week but we might as well have a look at it again. Low SPEC GAMERTAG TANGENT VENOM AUSTIN. Heavens jeeze cents schemers taxes on here. Yeah gamers nexus. David Mel Bit wit strange parts. Greg cells are from. Oh No not science studio anymore. Sorry sorry not. Science Studio Greg. Cells are e PAS. Vox Do we does tech stuff. I'm sorry anyone that I didn't name. You're all cool too. It's GonNa be great and there's more that are not on there yet that actually hasn't been updated in a little bit. I plan to blow as much money as I can. On bringing creators to lt x so anyone who is willing to come assuming like they have enough of a following that people will recognize them there. That's sort of my bar Hey it doesn't cost anything to reach out and we can see what we can do for you. There is a finite amount of money. But I WANNA make sure that this is like the gathering for the Tech Creator community. David and I went scuba. Diving together hardware connects confirmed. Oh that's cool. I just heard from them. So they're going to be there. You End David Melt. Yeah Oh really cool. He's a nice guy. We were hanging out at compufacts and we were discussing like what we're doing afterwards and talked about how I was going south in Taiwan I was gonNA go scuba diving. And he was like sure that it was actually really fun. Yeah it was. It was a very fun vacation thing. I've actually got one more announcement as well. Okay Carpool critics is getting a youtube channel. Not Getting Cartha. Critics has a Youtube Channel. So we just joss launched it so we're hoping to have one hundred thousand subscribers within the first couple hours just like just like how we do you know. This can be the first button that you use for the case. That's probably a bad idea. You probably WANNA keep out. So the last four episodes were betting on the Oscars featuring brandon. Sonic the Hedgehog the Matrix so like it's it's going to be a mixture of new staff. Old Stuff is spirited away the matrix on the hedgehog and Brandon. I don't know if all of them are here. But that and Brandon Brandon Brandon. Yes so the first one it only goes back to Episodes from about two months ago but knives out which is the movie river actually talking about earlier in. The show is one of them in here. That one was pretty good. I haven't it's a surprise best movie of the year and then that's the thumb now. I haven't seen knives out yet. I hope it's great. I hope it's so great that he never returns to anything. Related to Star Wars. That's what I how how I wish him. The best of luck with anything unrelated to star wars sick. Burn all right last big topic of the day. This is posted originally on N. Gadget this car. This car apparently can be driven without a license and cost just twenty two dollars a month. So does it classified as like a scooter. I think that has to be what's going on here. Tiny two seater as long as you are. Fourteen years old in France or sixteen and other European countries. It's called the me and you do not need a license. Five and a half kilowatt hour battery under the floor forty four miles on a single charge. You can plug into any standard twenty volt outlet. It only goes up to twenty eight miles an hour. So yeah you can only really this is basically like a glorified power wheels. Yeah power wheels for big kids and that seems pretty cool. Because I mean if you were already able to rip around on Your Electric Bicycle which fundamentally as a motorcycle. If we'RE BEING HONEST. What difference does it make if you're ripping around on your electric thing with four wheels and like you're more protected from rain? Yeah I don't I don't see the difference here. I think it's pretty cool. It's like crazy like I'm amazed that regulators allow because for some reason. We've just we've always had this this this line how many we also have hold on a second. That's bad yeah. No no more of that so Twenty euro per month for a long term rental of two years with an initial down payment of twenty nine hundred. Us dollars or twenty six forty four zero down payment. You can also buy it outright for six zero six thousand six thousand Euros. That is pretty cheap depending on the kind of. Yeah so if you're never going to go on a highway because you can't that's probably fine and that might actually be a really good. I don't know if kids in Europe want me to encourage but that might be a really good solution for some parents. Here's your car. You can't go on the highway and you can't go very far in can't go very far so have fun. Driving around very locally. I will always know where you are. It's funny like I would have hated it when I was a teenager. But like some of Tesla's features for example that allow parents to put it in kid mode and like limit the speed and know where they are and stuff like that. I am super into that for when my kids are teens like I had a sports car convertible. My parents pro calling that a sports car. It's technically sports car. I think technically it's just like the PT Cruiser is technically truck. Okay so guys. This was his money. Wait no no. You didn't have a son knows it? bird suffered. Whatever I think those. Yeah that's pretty close not. I don't think that's exactly but it's pretty close what this is so useless. Do you remember when you read the Old Google Images? Do you remember when you could just click on the picture and end up looking at the turn so mine. Mine was three years older than this. This is actually. This is the one. I rescued him from the bridges. Like blue in the middle of the bridge if you WANNA go watch amazing content on my youtube channel. That I haven't uploaded anything. It is there Luke I dislike it ever had by sharing it on this show over here. It is here. It is So this is the video you know. What don't copyright strike me please. That's so brilliant. So this is Luke Having people drive around him on the bridge into Richmond. Oh this worked though and I had the radio on and they even talked about how like it was actually working. 'cause I was at just before the crest of the Bridge. So you could see me like way down the road so there was actually like you can see. Traffic is actually flowing pretty good. And there's a huge gap behind me because people are splitting way ahead of time and it was actually. Yeah it was. It was going okay. Yeah why did I? How did I get there so fast? Motorbike Oh oh yeah. That's right. 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The video is full of factual information about five G. And T. Mobile's network and their competitor's network because I would never upload something that wasn't tuna best of my knowledge even if it is sponsored words that I believe I didn't watch it but everything they just said makes sense. There's a lot of energy around anything that says five on it these days and anything sponsored and there's a lot of negative energy around both of those things yes some cases but like a lot of what people were. Matt bows like. You're not even addressing the like the the the fact that five G. Weapon of course. Not because that's stupid like all. I can do is talk about what it is. I can't I can't address everything that it's not. It's not going. Turn your skin blue like like. Do you need me to say that. So technically not proven. Technically not proven. Thank you for that new perfect. Thank God so yeah I mean the thing is people are people are Super Mad. A lot of people are misunderstanding. It's hilarious because Yvonne even told me I don't think that your intro to the video where you start out by saying. I want to address some of the questions or misunderstandings. People had last time she was like I think that was a bad foot to lead off on but that was the video like. That's what I'm trying to do. And in spite of me going straight at that the directly hey guys. This misunderstanding that low band five G. is the same as low band four G. That's not correct and yet people are like you didn't even address that it's using the same Benz and it's the same thing. Yes yes I did and no they are not the same thing and no there is not going to be an immediate benefit where you should run out and throw away your literally said the show but it's more about what's coming down the pipe. I also didn't say. Go and buy these five g phones that don't have full support for all the different bands. 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The Way Radio Podcast

"Aw Hey everybody this pastor chat and this is the first formal episode of the new way radio podcast on the Christian podcast community and I WanNa thank Andrew and Colleen Choline for doing so much and helping me to bring this to fruition what I wanted to do. In today's episode is just briefly explain a little bit about the way radio podcast and what the purpose of this podcast is the main topics fixing issues that we're gonNA cover in the podcast our inspiration from God's word something called breaking through recovery which I'll explain in more depth <hes> society in moral freefall and then secular humanism humanism in the modern church but before I get into those wanted to explain a little bit about myself if you're not familiar with you I am <hes> or my ministry the Ministry I run and the Church that I pastor. I just wanted to share a little bit about myself itself. <hes> my name is pastor. Chad Prig more pastor a small church here in the Boise Idaho area called the way ministry church. We've been around for I believe about four and a half years now. That ministry was founded through street industry <hes> we were feeding the homeless we had a nice group of people that had come together that the Lord had joined together and fellowship to help feed the homeless every Sunday afternoon and to provide them with close and the the Gospel Message and by God's grace that became a church. It's just been a blessing ever since I also run a ministry called recovery reformation and that came about because I have been <hes> by the grace of God freed from severe <hes> Alcohol Addiction and drug addiction for I I think it's about twenty seven twenty eight years now and the Lord has just blessed me richly <hes> through that ministry so explain a little bit more about recovery reformation as we go forward as well <hes> we are a conservative conservative nondenominational church <hes> reformed very passionate about the Gospel and the Authority insufficiency of God's word in scripture and if you'd like to learn more about myself my testimony testimony we actually have a video on our website if you go to the way the letter R. Twelve to or the way the letter are one to two dot O._R._G.. It will say chat pastor chats testimony is on one of the pages there and you can watch youtube video <hes> that we recorded it'll get into my story of drug addiction alcoholism how I came out of that how I spent thirteen years <hes> in the cult of alcoholics anonymous and the twelve steps and how the Lord so graciously freed me from that hat and led me into ministry <hes> about fourteen years ago so check that out again on our website at the way our one to two dot o._R._G.. And as a podcast goes on I'm sure you'll hear more about <hes> how this all Kim about my story and <hes> what I went through in addiction but I don't want to get into that in too much detail today so in these topics that I mentioned at the beginning starting with inspiration from God's word if you look at Psalm Tom One verses one through three. It's one of my favorite portions of scripture in it's just so beautiful in what it teaches us about how were blessed to abide in God's word says blessed as the man who walks not in the council also of the wicked nor stands in the way of sinners nor sits in the seat of S- coffers but as delight is in the law of the Lord and on his law he meditates day and night. He's like a tree planted by streams of water that yields holds its fruit in its season and it's leaf does not weather in all that he does. He prospers to me that is one of the most inspiring lessons or promises that we get from God's word about about his scripture and if we abide in his word if we're meditating on scripture for striving to be conformed to the image of Christ in all that we do we will prosper and I'm not talking about worldly prosperity. Obviously I'm talking about spiritual prosperity growing more in the image of Christ being conformed to him and yielding fruit for the kingdom you know <hes> working forward in the cause of the Gospel Jesus Christ and I'm going to get into that heavily in this podcast one of the things I really pray the people take away from each episode of this podcast is inspiration from God's word inspiration in their walk with Jesus Christ that it's exciting. It's fresh and it's inspiring <hes> there's a lot of negativity out there. We live in an age where there's so much apostasy the in Harrison the church <hes> true biblical teachers are being ridiculed and attacks right and left persecution in different parts of the world is <hes> just growing like wildfire and I believe that we need to be uplifted hosted inspired by God's Word and nothing is going to do a better job at that then God's words. I really pray that that is something the blesses everybody that listens to this podcast now the next point and made was breaking through recovery and first of all let me explain the name recovery reformation the name of of the ministry that I run the thematic Reference Bible defines the term reformation as the process of bringing religious practices and beliefs chiefs back into line with the word of God so that's why we use the word reformation and the mission of recovery reformation is the abolishing of non-christian concepts in returning to biblical principles when it comes to Christians dealing with the biblical sense such as alcohol and Drug Abuse so when I'm talking about Biblical principles I'm talking about returning to solid biblical Christian doctrine the perfection of the Gospel The power of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and then two things that are so neglected if not forgotten in the modern church the sufficiency of Christ and the Authority and sufficiency of scripture so that's what we really depend on and we point two in recovery reformation but the the reason we chose that name also is what were referring to in the abolishing of non-christian concepts is getting world getting rid of humanistic secular influences that have infiltrated the modern church through the modern recovery movement movement or recovery industry and those came about I've come about predominantly through the program of alcoholics anonymous and the twelve steps which as I mentioned I was a part of for thirteen years and if you listen to that Youtube Video I'll explain that led me to you. I'd say probably one of the darkest points in my life. I literally lost my mind. I went insane. It was it was horrendous and I didn't realize until I came out of it that I had been trapped in a call to all those years I was involved in something that was in direct contradiction to the Gospel ospel Jesus Christ. I was claiming to be a Christian was not attending church. I was worshipping at the altar of sobriety and alcoholics anonymous <hes> and then that also extends to <hes> the so-called Christian Christian twelve step programs house which just take the twelve steps of alcoholics anonymous put a Christian label on them mix in some Bible verses and sell it as a Christian recovery program. The most well known of those programs is celebrate recovery and I'll get into that a little bit more as we go forward as well but what I WANNA do because if you've listened to any my podcast before I used to do an actual radio show here in Boise is covered for Matt Slick. If you're familiar with his show Matt Slick Live <hes> he's the founder and president of Karm Chris Apologetic and Research Ministry when I've been on his show and and spoken about this ministry you might have heard me talk about alcoholics anonymous the twelve step celebrate recovery. I'm going to address these things in this show but I wanNA focus. More on the only tree solution for any sin that we suffer from is the gospel of Jesus Christ so many go through a few points today that make very clear that alcoholics anonymous and the twelve steps are umbilical that they are directly contrary to Christian Doctrine in the Gospel Jesus Christ. There's you won't have any question about that. I don't think after share this with you but I don't want to spend a ton of time on the podcast debating these things it's too negative. <hes> it's really nothing that needs to be debated because their air teachings as you'll see directly contradict Christian teachings <hes> I wanNA focus on the Gospel and edifying equipping the saints in any way that we possibly can so. I'm just going to give you a few examples here of the heresies that are taught right by alcoholics anonymous and a lot of people will tell you well. Alcoholics anonymous was started by Christians is based on Christian concepts and principles. You'll see as I share this that that is definitely not true. <hes> these quotes that I'm going to show you and I just picked a few. There's hundreds hundreds that I I could share but I just picked a few and they're from mostly. The book alcoholics anonymous which in the program of alcoholics anonymous is known as the big book. It's like the Bible of A._A.. And if you look at that book on page twelve well it says why don't you choose your own conception of God and one of the things a really pitches is it's not allied or feel affiliated with any religious belief or denomination and if you have any type of of an issue with accepting God or believing God you can just make up your concept of God and believe me being in the program I saw people that carried rocks and their pockets that's what they looked at as God <hes> doorknobs their dog or cat whatever so you can make any concept that you want of God now many Christian listening to this obviously realizes that that that's idolatry and it's an absolutely horrendous and destructive idea Colossians one versus fifteen in nineteen. Tell us he is the image of the invisible God speaking of Jesus Christ the firstborn of all creation for in him. All the fullness of God was pleased to dwell so as Christians because we know that if we want to know God if we wanna see God it's through in through the person of Jesus Christ. Jesus is the manifestation of the father he is the only way that we can come to know God John Fourteen six as I am the way away the truth and the life no one comes to the father except through me. Another example is from the same book alcoholics anonymous page thirteen which says there I humbly offered myself to God again a god is they understand him as I then understood him to do with me as he would. I place myself unreservedly under his care direction. I admitted for the first time that of myself I was nothing though without him I was lost I- ruthlessly faced my sins and became willing to have my newfound friend. Take them away route andbranch. I have not had a drink since now. This sounds really nice but again. If you're a Christian you're saying wait a minute. This is teaching that you can have forgiveness of sins through this program but there's no mention of Jesus Christ. There's no mention of the Gospel so obviously you've got a huge red flag here <hes> page fifty eight of another book. There's two main books in alcoholics anonymous the book alcoholics anonymous or the Big Book and then twelve steps and twelve traditions which is like a guidebook of working through the steps and on page fifty eight twelve steps in twelve traditions says our moral inventory pat persuaded us that all-round forgiveness was desirable but it was only when we resolutely tackled step five that we inwardly new we'd be able to receive forgiveness and give it to so you got the teaching of forgiveness a sins in both the big book of Alcoholics Anonymous and twelve steps in twelve traditions. Obviously that contradicts Christian doctrine at its core Romans three twenty three twenty five says for all have sinned and fall short of the Gory of God and are justified testified by His grace as a gift through the redemption that is in Jesus Christ whom God put forward as appreciation by his blood to be received by faith this was to show Gaza righteousness because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins and then acts for twelve tells us and there is salvation in no one else for there is no other name meaning the name of Jesus Christ under heaven given among men by which we must be saved so you've again good. You've got a direct contradiction of the Christian Gospel. You've got a false gospel on a false salvation message that is conveyed through alcoholics anonymous in the twelfth steps the same book alcoholics anonymous pages thirteen and fourteen says my friend promised when these things were done I would enter upon a new relationship with my creator that I would have the elements of a way of living which answered all my problems belief in the power of God plus enough willingness honesty humility to establish publishing maintain maintain the new order of things where the essential requirements so here. You're told that you can be reconciled to your Creator have a new relationship with your Creator. It's based on works belief in God plus enough willingness honesty and humility ability to establish and maintain the new order thing so that's a works based salvation again. Jesus is no part of it and John Fourteen six Jesus said to him. I am the way and the truth and the life no one comes as to the father except through me Second Corinthians Five Twenty Three Twenty one tells us therefore we're ambassadors for Christ God making his appeal through us we implore you on behalf of Christ be reconciled to God on behalf of Christ be reconciled to go for our Saiki may him to be no sin who he made him to be sin who knew no San so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God so you've got another direct contradiction. These aren't minor issues. We're talking about out the atoning sacrifice Jesus Christ being left out of the alcoholics anonymous message but them teaching that you can have forgiveness since you can be reconciled to God without the Gospel Jesus Christ so obviously you've got huge addictions here <unk> huge issues here that directly contradict our Christian faith another point. I WanNa make is alcoholics. Anonymous teaches that addiction is a disease it says in the big book or the the book alcoholics anonymous that <hes> those that are alcoholic have an allergy of the mind and the spirit and the body <hes> they're born with and brings them into alcoholism makes them alcoholics. It's a disease that you can't help and you're never healed from now probably probably discussed that in more depth in another episode. <hes> that is a flat-out lie. There's never been any proof of that medically and if we're going to rely on the authority and sufficiency of Scripture both alcoholism and drug addiction are clearly identified in scripture as sent glaciations chapter five versus nineteen through twenty-one tell us now the works of the flesh are evident sexual immorality impurity sensuality idolatry sorcery enmity strife jealousy fits of anger rivalries dissensions divisions envy drunkenness orgies and things like these I warn you as I warned you before that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom the move God so we'll notice in this long list of since the Paul gives us here the word sorcery sorcery in the original language in the Greek is Pharma Kia where we get our word pharmaceutical gold so drug addiction is clearly identified as sin drunkenness obviously as alcoholism in the scripture identified as sin so it's not disease it sin had we overcome sin only through the atoning sacrifice. Jesus Christ he sets US free and we repent believe and trusted him so repentance is the key there now a lot of people will ask me okay so what about celebrate recovery they use scripture with the twelve steps and then people and celebrate recovery. I will say well. We don't use the same twelve steps we we say that Jesus is are higher power <hes> that gets into all kinds of trouble because if you need a program how can you claim that you believe in this efficiency of Christ and the authority and sufficiency of his word in scripture and and and we'll get into that more later but regarding celebrate recovery and that argument that it's Christian and origin it's based clearly on the twelfth steps that I just referred to alcoholics anonymous in fact. There's a Bible that is an absolute train wreck. It's called the celebrate Recovery Bible where they took the twelve steps of alcoholics anonymous <hes> tried to blend in scripture to market them as Christian and now they sell it as this celebrate burt recovery program that that's all over the world I it's it's grown like crazy in the introduction to that so called Bible says the good news is that the familiar twelve steps remain intact under the celebrate recovery free model so they are still there these apostate heretical teachings have actually arrogantly been added to God's Word and if you're not familiar with celebrate recovery. It's a product of Rick Warren's Church inside about California was started by him in a guy named John Baker and I it is in my opinion. It's more dangerous even than alcoholics anonymous because it is marketed as Christian but when you really look at it you study what it's about what it's founded on. It's not ought and again if you need any program. If you claim to be Christian you claim to be faithful to Jesus Christ and you claim you need a recovery program. How can you ever at the same time claim the sufficiency of Christ and the sufficiency and authority of Scripture you would be hypocritical to do such but what it really comes down to the fact that addiction sin and addicts don't need recovery they need repentance and faith? They Need Salvation in through the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It is the most perfect powerful and beautiful gift that's ever been given to mankind. Why would we ever add subtract or play down that Gospel message message in any way and it's being done in churches all over the world through the modern recovery industry right now? The Gospel is being pushed aside in the name of recovery because people do not have faith in the Gospel and really in the sufficiency of Christ so that leads into secular humanism in the modern church <hes> and that is exemplified by the presence of the modern recovery industry in the modern church when I first engaged in this battle after I came out of the A._A.. And years ago what shocked me is the more I studied what I had been involved with and the more heretical it clearly was shown to be to me. It eventually led me to realize that it's a symptom of a very severe problem in the modern Christian Church <hes> and we tend so often in the modern Christian church to focus on man and the inventions in the philosophies of man rather than focusing on Christ his his gospel and his word because the the recovery industry is so successful and so it's not successful. It really doesn't have a good track record the recovery industry in general of of people being freed from their addictions. The reason is so prominent in the modern church is because we've become so humanistic focus and that's why we use that term secular humanism in the modern church. If you look at the Mega Church movement you look at the new the New Apostolic Reformation Movement they're aimed at giving people what they think they need giving people what they think they want tickling their ears and that's what the recovery industry thrives on selling people on recovery getting their life back together but it ignores the big most important picture eternal salvation and the state the eternal state of someone's soul so when it comes down to and these are things that we will address again as we go into further episodes is no understanding on and or lack of faith in the sufficiency of Christ priced in much of the modern church and no understanding and or a lack of faith in the authority and sufficiency of scripture in the modern church because if you truly have faith in this fish sufficiency of Christ and you trust and have faith in the authority already insufficiency of Scripture and Christ you would never entertain the idea of needing anything else Psalm Twenty three the Lord is my shepherd. I shall not want I wouldn't want or need anything else beyond him. So if you think you need a recovery recovery program and you need to add it to your Christianity Christianity you really need to sit back and examine yourself and why not just have faith in the word. Why do I think I need something else? Second Timothy Three sixteen seventeen tell us all scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching for reproof for correction and for training and righteousness that the man of God may be complete equipped for every good work Paul's telling us you've got everything you need in scripture now the next point what do I mean by a society immoral freefall the point of the matter. The fact of the matter is folks. We live in a post Christian culture. If you listen to Todd Friel he uses that phrase quite often and <hes> moral freefall. You'll hear Justin Peter's use that phrase we live in a society. That's in moral free fall and we live in a culture that is post Christian. If you question that at all consider that as I record this we are in the midst of pride month. Our country is celebrating the sin of homosexuality and actually taking pride in it it Sodom and Gomorrah in a modern context really is what our country is celebrating right now and if you look at just the other major issue abortion we have slaughtered multiple times more innocent unborn children than Hitler did during his time of slaughter in World War Two. It's horrendous those are just two examples of a society and mortal moral oral free fall now. This is where it's interesting because another thing that I'm going to cover on like I said I'm not gonNA spend a ton of time on this. These podcast not going to spend the majority of the time talking about how a is heretical how celebrate recovery as heretical and all that I think I'll put enough out there that the argument will be made. You really can't argue those points biblically. You cannot defend those programs from a biblical perspective. You can't even defend the recovery industry from the biblical perspective. What I WANNA do is focus on living in Christ living joyfully for him? You know we're told in the Bible to rejoice always pray without ceasing. Give thanks all circumstances for this is the will of God for your and Jesus Christ. That's what I just went. I just want to inspire people with that so much through this podcast and part of that is going to be done through something else. We're going to address called healthy living living healthy vibrant life for Jesus Christ in something on very passionate ended about and if you consider the fact that obviously if we go back to the addiction thing drug and alcohol abuse for that as far as one can get into unhealthy living addiction destroys spiritually mentally and physically and a big part of being sober and free from from the sense that were killing us. If you're an addict is to live as healthy lifestyles we can spiritually mentally and physically so the healthy living part of this podcast will address all three of those things and this podcast is not just for people that dirt in recovery supposedly or have or trying to overcome in addiction this is for any Christian that just wants to be inspired motivated and learn how to share the gospel learn how to be enriched by the Gospel and make a stand against. It's the false teachings in our midst and like I said just beyond fire for the Lord. That's really striving for in this. If you look at John Eight thirty six assess the sunset you free you will be free indeed so we've been born again and we bet spent set free by the blood of Jesus Jesus Christ transformed by the renewing of our minds through God's word then we'll strive to live in gratitude to God glorifying him and enjoying him forever consider John Ten ten that says the thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly think of that blessing Jesus Christ he doesn't just save us and give us life. He gives us life abundantly and I believe when he says that it's it's beyond anything we could ever even fathom so to me. I believe the part of living in gratitude to God is carrying for what we have been blessed with life and a healthy vibrant Christian will be effective and fruitful in the cause of the Gospel as a servant of Jesus Christ. If we're taking taking care of ourselves we're striving to be healthy and vibrant spiritually mentally and physically now. Obviously there may be people listening to this that have physical handicaps you can still be healthy can still have a clear mind and and be focused and beyond fire for the Lord there may be people that have mental issues. I believe Christ can overcome those things and he can bring us to mental health through the power of the Gospel and his word by striving to be confirmed his image and I and striving to learn all we can have him and obviously spiritually there is no spiritual health outside of Jesus Christ. That's a no brainer song really GonNa talk about all three of those aspects and a lot of different ways but I don't want anybody listening this to think while gotta got a handicapper. I've got this issue or that issue. I'm not talking about bodybuilding and <hes> you know magazine cover health here. I'm talking about an inner attitude of health that pours forth from us from the heart in all aspects of our lives and the healthier we are the more the more effective we're going to be in the cause of the Gospel of Jesus Christ <unk> address things like diet exercise. I'm fifty five years old and I basically <hes> I've been a runner for fifteen or twenty years. I always into working out. I I love the feeling that we have when we're constantly exercising at least part of the day but not obsessively that is recommended often and a lot of channels now so soggy into healthy exercise the importance of peace and quiet and stillness especially for Christians. God says be still and know that I am God and are really this is one topic. I'm really passionate about. I'm convinced that because of of our technology smartphones the Internet <hes> the business that we're surrounded with Satan he uses that to keep us from focusing on cries from meditating on the word from communing with him so I really WanNa get into <hes> things we can do to have peace to have have quiet to have stillness and truly commune with God and being his word discussing toxic tech what I was just referring to the technology that we're surrounded with that were involved with is often extremely toxic to us physically and mentally spiritually richly distress caused by social media. You know if you look at the effect especially on younger people of social media they're they're taught making a direct correlation between the prevalence of smartphones facebook all these other social media avenues and and instances of depression and now rapidly increasing suicide rate that I believe is across just about every demographic and they're tying elect direct correlation between these severe societal issues and social media media and technology so I really WANNA get into how we push back and we combat that and then having a proper attitude living with an attitude of gratitude that sounds so cliche sounds like Tony Robbins pitch but we are told again to live in gratitude attitude to God if you consider what we've been blessed with what we've been saved from through the Gospel Jesus Christ's totally by God's grace as a gift. How could we not WANNA get up every morning and do the best we can to have a clear mind focused on the Lord abiding heading in Him abiding in his word and living gratefully for him Gan Day out? What an awesome goal that should be for US and again? I'm not talking about anything worldly here. You don't have to have money. You don't have to have all the worldly stuff if you have gratitude and Jesus Christ and that's your attitude you've got more than the world could ever offer use. I really want to dive into that and I just leave. That will be a blessing for everyone because it's something that has blessed me richly. I JUST WANNA share that with others so when it comes down to the core of what the rate way radio podcast is really all about is really. It's Jesus Christ if I was going to somebody said well. What's your podcast about? It's about Jesus Christ. It's about his gospel. Jesus tells us again and John Fourteen six. He says I am the way and the truth and the life. 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Atheism Answered with Eli Ayala & Tyler Vela

Apologetics Live

1:54:58 hr | 10 months ago

Atheism Answered with Eli Ayala & Tyler Vela

"There's a large grant your question. Your own striving drive for A. We are live apologize. Live glad to have you with us. This is another Thursday night which means eight o'clock eastern time. We are live on politics. Live to answer any questions. You may have any challenges. You WanNa give tonight's topic if tyler comes in that this will be the topic of atheism. Actually we'll talk atheism either way but tyler. Villa recently did a debate on that topic and we were going to just have a panel all discussion about that. We do have ally who will be. WHO's already in backstage? So we're going to see we wondering where Mr Slick DOC is. I wonder if I could find where slick is. Oh look there he is. He's fishing no wonder he's not here yet. Whenever matfield getting done not catching the look at that pose? He has there he he looks quite lazy. Actually as a fisherman. I mean most people actually are fishing and they're looking like they're catching fish. He just looks like he's resting against some rocks there and uh not catching anything. I guess. That's why fishing is so relaxing form. He doesn't actually do anything. Yeah well maybe he'll come in here himself and defend Bring Allied so. I could get myself in trouble with him too. So we'RE WE'RE GONNA plan to try and do a panel discussion sort of thing on atheism tonight. That's the plan and We'll see if I did. Send it to tyler. Because he's the one that was on the debate If not I didn't say I don't have it ready. What I wanted to do actually really was The I wanted to I recently listened to a gender podcast. There's a bunch onto them. They're really painful to listen to but I I did find some. There were some interesting things that they found very kind of interesting. This whole podcast. Eli is about trying to help those of us. Who are you know binary nine area we think that gender is just binary it's male or female we don't understand the fluidity of of genders and and that we we gotta figure it out and just people can? I should be able to identify any way they want and we shouldn't let stereotypes interfere with that. The the reason I thought it was funny as the host was was talking about how he she recently got breast surgery. Because you you know and explaining how you know feel so much better now that he looks like his gender and I'm going wait a minute let me think about this. So genders what you identify. But yet and shouldn't be stereotyping yet. You WanNa look like the opposite. Gender almost makes me think that they know that there's a second gender one and the other and they're trying to look like the the the the host even complained about Her her man feet and I'm like Manfried it's it's just that there is no man right by the way folks if you're if you are looking at if you're watching on Youtube or on facebook there looks like he's in a crib if you look at people that's actually a chair. It's actually a chair. It's not actually a crib. Just Yeah you look at the show. People I'm just saying so tonight is We WanNA. We wanted to talk about atheism. I I wanted to talk about Tyler's Tyler's Appearance On the Gospel Truth with another debate. They got a ton of debates. Have you done. You've done a couple of debates right. Yeah and I have another one coming up On June second Debating the topic. What is there evidence for the god of the Bible so well I we did? We were sitting another for me. Someone contacted I did Marlin and said he wanted to debate a topic. And some Marlins said. Would you wanNA debate this topic. I said well since he's the one that wants the debate. I mean he should argue the pro right so we I wanted to reverse the question so that he would have to actually defend his stance. It's because this is the thing that I find with with a lot of these guys at debate you look at Matt Slick when he debated metal honey one of the things that you matt and I were talking passing. You were involved in that too. We had decided that You know it should be where mental hunt. He actually had to defend a claim it. Because it's easy to attack a claim defending it's harder and that was the thing is that when he was going out and having to actually defend a claim he actually Sri said he in that debate he said this is the first time I'm having to defend a claim and then by the cross examination he actually says that this is hard Matt let off the Hook and let it be discussion. I think he should oppressed it here. We go humble clay. Says Eli can sit wherever he likes. Thank you humble clay. Yeah well it could be an adult criminal. Does that what they call the man caves cribs. I don't know what all the lingo nowadays do not have the luxury of a man cave used to have An office in my home a couple leers back which is something like a man cave. But well Ethan Ethan says let's let's overthrow Andrew but unless Ethan comes in here he can't do that so just saying so. You know this was the thing so I assume Marlin sets up this debate. I I said Okay how about you. I mean this guy's we're in a three way conversation and I said we you're the one that wants to make the debate. You're the one that laying the challenge. Why don't you take the PAS? The pro side of this so I- reversed the question so that it would be appro and he'd have to defend it and basically he is responsible as well. I think Marlin can find someone better for me to debate and left. He well I he asked me for. He needed he wanted me. Email him. me speaking on the topic and so What was the? How did you reverse the proper the debate proposition well? I can't say that for one reason. Why is because I'm actually going to do the debate anyway without him? All the Bait Him Marlins gotta we gotta we gotTa plan you. You've seen me debate. The the Black Hebrews relates. It didn't show up right right. Debated the empty chair. I did not I did. I miss that some other guy who uh-huh yeah what it was for a year and a half. I'd have these black humor. Israelites now called Hebrew Israelites because they they dropped the black part but like the they would challenge me and then when we'd set a time they would like you couldn't hear from you. Send Them A. Here's nope and so. Last time we did it we had three guys. There's going to be three on one. And then they blocked Tommy and so what ended up happening was I told Tom. Let's do debate anyway. And so he's he's like what are you GonNa do. I said that we'll do the debate. Just introduce me. I'll do the opening. Then you introduce the the people that show and he's like who's GonNa show. Let's just do it so when it came time to introduce the black you're is relates. I was debating. I just put up an empty chair. Who one well I guess? Well the counter. Yeah well I guess I guests. The empty chair lost. I actually one for this reason. The goal of it was to actually get someone a black. You're Israelite that would be so embarrassed interest by the fact that no one would show debate me that they would show in debate me and he did and the reason I would say I won that second one. Only for this reason. One Way. You could tell that you've wanted to be is when you start getting tons of comments from people saying that the guy you debated isn't a good debater. He's not he doesn't know what he's talking about. You should debate that person and I had a ton of people that after that. We're like telling me that they all said that. That guy that debated wasn't good. You know I needed to be a real black you israelite and they were that guy and you know we've invited all of them on the show and the only one that showed up was a guy named Ben Israel and he showed up. When I wasn't I told him I won't be in this week? So show up next week so he showed up and wanted to debate matt. So I think William Lane Craig is. He did a tour in England some years back. And he left an open chair on on the stage for Richard Dawkins too. I mean Dr Craig is is quite the gentleman really known for trolling the the chair there on stage and he debated as though he was debating. Richard Dawkins utter pretty funny. That would be. I should go look for that. Excuse me so the I was actually add Richard Dawkins House. And if I ever told you that you are. You're out here. We were outside a whole hug group of us. We prayed outside of his house for him. we did we. We did discuss whether we wanted to go. We we were actually thinking of knocking on the door and inviting him to. We're doing some open air and we wanted to invite invite but yeah. We were over at Oxford. And so we were. We had We're doing some ministry over there and when we the professor whose house we were at Said Richard Dawkins lives right up the street Ed. So we're like okay. We got the live in a big house or no. It's actually his house. His housing was provided by Oxford Yes when you when you teach at Oxford. They provide all the housing on campus. So it wasn't a very a big house so but you figure he's making millions and you know he doesn't have to worry about housing. So hey you now he could he could put it away and it's you know this is the thing I noticed that people can be very when they live in a comfortable culture and they're not having to struggle they have the ability to kind of sit back and criticize everything. Kinda like all the Democrats. Let's do right now right again. Trouble on twitter. Did you see Nancy. Pelosi tear up the speech It's all over the Internet. Yeah yeah that was. That was exactly I'd like to. I'd like to the beam there was created. It's her tearing it the three times and that thing says what women do women preachers do and they see I timothy two. Yeah now that was an interesting thing because here. She's she sang that he somehow snubbed her in not shaking her head no she did. There's some Peo- trying to say. She didn't actually offer a handshake now. She did but he didn't shake his own vice presidents Indi- hand either. If you watch that I don't think he even saw her put her hand out because he turned his back but she's complaining leaning how he's you know. He wasn't doing proper etiquette and things like that and went. Wait a minute You didn't introduce him the way you're required. I mean there's actually a correct fail to the and and when Barack Obama when Justice Roberts who swore we're in Barack Obama he screwed up the oath. I don't know if you remember that the first when Barack Obama's first elected did he He had said something in the wrong order and first time he's doing it he is I'm sure or he was. He was nervous right Ethan saying there's an Echo I don't know where it would be coming from. But with my Surrey. Are Your Voice saying with years earlier. Oh look out is a little look look who popped into say howdy. It's Justin Peters Ministry's WHO's Justin Peters. I've never heard of that person before. Oh it's and it's his his youtube so it could be. It could be but my my guess is people are saying. Hello Justin Peters. But that can't be just and he's not that technology. Yeah Yeah I. I can't see that we'll have to see Maybe seeing them Saturday. So we'll see eh but look. Should we put mets click on Metzler calling so hi Matt. Welcome to politics life. Sit Get ready to get on the freeway. Spent almost eleven out how Hamas eleven hours at the hospital. Yeah what we do you. You're saying that but but you know we're we're showing. We're showing a picture right now. What you really really were doing? You know we really don't we. I have a picture of you fishing lying leaning against a rock here not catching any fish. Mind you. So that's that's what we're saying that you're actually doing but I wasn't going to share where you where you work because I didn't know if you WANNA that known but my daughter had a Martial arts injury and a search to surgery on her clavicle so fairly tough on her so nascent came and got her in his truck because his truck is smoother than my little tar and so less nausea issue so cameron called Leeann talking smack about my that Andrew says that's all me so yeah you know. Look if you're not gonNA GONNA come in and defend your fishing abilities next time you I'm on right now. You know. Catch Fish Right Cameron actress. Oh all right well when you get when you get back we'll You know just go to apologize live dot com and join us and get a prescription for my daughter. So we'll get to know and for the record for the record folks Matt was not sparring with his daughter. There wasn't him actually. What happened was a new Joe? Jitsu arm bar honor and through her without letting go and Broker clavicle yet and this is this is why our Jim. You're not allowed to do like leg locks or arm bars as a white belt. That's right Hannah said she was working with her and she told her not to do that. Yes he did yes so and they said that the sense they heard the boat's Mosley. Someone says what that picture that. You're rock fishing. Yeah that's that's believable rock fishing rather you guys are blabbing OK. Allies realize he lies relying on to me. So it's like I'll repeat it sometimes With the guy who said was there but I thank God bless okay bye bye I android you. Do you do martial arts. I do kind Well used to do karate now. I haven't done in a actually now. It's probably like two years since I've done. Eighty Jitsu okay now so according to this. Ah this this Justin Peters Ministries says Yup. It's I checked the driver's license well. I don't see a driver's license to you. I mean how can we check that. I mean I think he's checking his driver's license. That can be okay okay. So who's the mets selected selected debate. This was classic this was. I don't know if you saw this. I forget who he was debating. The Guy was telling Matt the guy was telling about what he believes. That's like I don't believe that and the guy goes. Are you sure mattress looks up in the air and go just asks himself he goes. Hey Matt do you believe this. No I don't okay. Thanks and he goes nope I just asked myself. I don't believe that I was cracking up so hard. I didn't even get to listen. The guys response was classic. I remember back in the day when used to say. Put your hand up in front of your. Your face is to get people that all the time we actually got. Yeah but we actually have people that slap themselves. That was the best part. Yeah so so there is so ethan is asking asking Yes talk about mormonism so you and I like that topic so we we can talk about that There was someone one that watches your show all the time and wanted to discuss Partial Predator Ism as well so I don't know if that's if that's way off the Dome I mean if there's really no topic I mean we're GonNa do atheism but you go on. Maybe you can suggest you talk a little bit about it. You know that's up to you. Let me let me bring John in to see if he has any questions and no actually. I just wanted to join in and see. What's what's going on but Matt and Tyler. Well okay. You really shouldn't use your middle finger to play with your camera just saying I just so. There's there's were Matt really is if you look in the picture there mets really leaning against a rock pretending to fish it. Looks like a retirement Tirmizi fishing. That's it that's Matt has retired from Karm. He's he's he's in retirement. Host host of Karma Dot Org modelling for Wallet Photos So. Yeah no tyler. I don't know where Taylorville villa is But you got your check out that debate though he killed it okay. So let's let's start with the. We'll start with that with with the debate because that's really what we did want to start with so Four although Let's See Saints edified says Andrew Esque ally if infant Kim baptism is biblical no I prob- I'm more baptists than my position. So I don't know okay moving on Okay so Put on the back until you. If you have a question come on are just some things so all right. Let's let's deal with the the debate here is I. Didn't watch the full debate. I watch tyler's opening I watched I don't even remember the guy's name now Eric Eric. I watched Eric's opening. Here's the thing. The the the the topic was atheism. What is atheism in Tyler? Did an excellent job of explain the fact that there's different definitions for atheism that you have to understand when you're talking some of what the definition is and he went through all the different definitions has they've changed over time he he explained. I felt very well. Why they're changing the definition? Take it from no theism to the to know God does not exist to really. What is agnostic system to not to not know if God exists? That was really agnostic schism but they changed that and then to avoid having to give an answer to have a claim to defend they say well the definitions. I lack a belief and so he he went through all those different things and the thing that was interesting to me was as he did that. He's he's giving the definitions. He's giving the arguments and then the guy he's debating debating comes in and just goes basically ignores everything he had said in his opening. Didn't deal with it just basically was poisoning the well I mean just right off the bat he he he started out with saying that Like Tyler didn't notice or the people don't know what they're talking about with it it. It's like an tyler. Just gave definitions Mrs He. He actually allowed Eric to maintain the tradition not listen to the traditional definition of atheism. Affirms that there is no God and that positive claim that the positive positive claim you need to defend it. There's a burden of proof when you make that claim. And so in modern times atheists have changed the definition subtly so as to not have a burden of proof so it's kind of like a linguistic Strategy so as to reframe the discussion and put yourself in a more safer position of having to just hear what the media says and you can just sit back in rejected. The he he allows for the atheist defied atheism any way they want. And so if you define atheism as a lack of belief in God he said defined sure but once you start arguing and making claims and then you're shifting he. He did a very good job showing that the definition of atheism as being a lack of belief belief is not a neutral neutral claim where many of these atheist try to make it appear as though they're being kind of this neutral person that just needs to see the evidence and when you define find atheism as a lack of ironically I I felt like after listening to that. Debate writing Article Entitled why I think Atheism Atheism is true. Kind of because when you define when you define atheism lack of belief in God what you're doing is just describing your psychological state and so it'd be true by definition if you lack belief in God and so if we were to say for example theism is that you know I believe that God exists. Then that's true by definition but that's the definition of so you. Ironically have atheism. It is being true at the same time because in a trivial way you just defined it as a psychological state eight and I think that's not how atheists have traditionally defined their their own position. Even though you have different variations in there I think the atheist of the past I've had a little bit more Gotz than the Than many of the modern it is. They're willing to put forth arguments. And I think a Lotta people today like to play the game. They will my thinking my feeling. Is that the the eighth theism of today. is is an attempt to avoid debate debate but it is an arrogant way of doing it. It's just we're right because there's enough of us that agree with us or that was my debate with on When I did to debate on Gospel Truth and a guy that I mean? That was his argument. was you know he just says. Atheism is or secular humanism superior to Christianity. Because it's better But my what standard right. And they don't WanNa get into having to defend their their positions. This is the problem that I see with it. Instead of trying to defend their positions they want a definition that avoids. Any kind of. You've positive they'll say I can't. I can't argue a negative That's not true. I mean you can argue negative. There's no there's no golden China I find peace of gold. I've just proven it The debate that we're talking about that the guy that wanted to debate me. It was very easy all I did was I took it from. This is the case to changing it to. This is not the case. I think the real reason he didn't WanNa to do it is because I would I sent them video of me and I think he realized oh he can easily prove because I only need one example to prove the negative and therefore the positive is true. If if it's a true dichotomy right if it's an and and or so the thing is is that's what they WANNA do. They want to avoid having to really defend their argument. Why because they can't I'll tell you why they can't? I think they can't because Christians and apologists have gotten better in their argumentation. And when these new atheists came out there were things that just like. We don't know how to answer that. Sure but as presupposition apologetic has has kind of spread. I think that the the new atheism realize they had no answers and they couldn't defend their case and so are they start redefining things and I always find it interesting. I mean now. More dictionaries are doing it. But every one of them quoted. It was the the Oxford Dictionary which was the only one that would define atheism as a lack of belief. Like every other dictionary had I have. I have in front of me right now. At the Stanford Encyclopedia a philosophy which defines atheism. In the way that is traditionally defined If you don't mind I can just let me just read it. People can see this is Is it says atheism is typically redefined in terms of theism visit turn is best understood as a proposition. Something that is either true or false is often defined as the belief that God exists. That's the ISM but here belief means something believed it refers to the proposition content of belief not to the attitude or psychological state of believing. So it's not this Olack of belief idea. This is why it makes sense to say that that theism is true or false and to argue for or against theism it however aid is defined in terms of theism and theism is is the proposition that God exists and not the psychological condition of believing that there is a got then it follows that atheism is not the absence of the psychological condition of believing. I think that God exists. The in atheism must be understood as negation instead of absence as not instead of without therefore in philosophy at least atheism should be construed as the proposition that God does not exist or more. Broadly the proposition that there are no gods that is the traditional definition initiative to make that assertion and now people are using the more of the psychological distributor. I lack belief. No it's interesting because there'll there'll they would say that atheism is not a religion but yet it falls in the camp of Deity Deity. Now there would say it's not a religion because it's it's not organized as such but if it's not a religion than it would have to fall into one other camp philosophy sophy therefore the full philosophical definition is the one that should be used right and so you know no and that's that's the thing that you end up seeing is they don't want to They don't want to actually have have to defend a case because what you're seeing nowadays it's more about trying to push a political agenda with with the because now the the scary thing is the arrogance that I see there. I mean we. We see arrogance on both sides right so we need to really Check themselves especially are three supposition guys because the presupposition argumentation often comes across very aggressive. Because it's kind of a worldview go for the jugular kind of methodology and. I think well online apologists can have an overconfidence and arrogance. In the way they go about it so we need to careful on both outside especially from the Christian perspective. We're trying to defend the faith. Gentleness and respect of course the other side hopefully they're trying to do the same thing and that's not always the case. So I I you're right demi anyone can have that but this is what's what scares me. Is that when you see people who don't have a avow logically valid arguments but they're arrogant. That's ignorance and arrogance mixed together. I I am ignorant arrogant. It's it's an ignorant arrogance and it's and that's scary it's dangerous so That usually usually comes Andrew in the form of the atheist claiming that that We shouldn't believe anything on evidence. And it's just so simple if you give me having its believe And they're completely ignorant of the fact that Evidence has various presuppositions that when we come to the table with various presuppositions in standards of what constitutes as evidence and a lot of eight who claim they want evidence. Think US Christians especially presupposition lists are avoiding the issues by asking what you mean by evidence. There's almost this naive perspective from any of these atheists. That evidence is just this thing that you can just show it and it doesn't matter what we assume evidence to just evidence and that's not true through it all. I think it's a perfectly valid question to ask. What do you mean by evidence? And that's exactly what tyler does tyler kills it. The atheist says you know a talking snake make would be evidence for God he says all right. Let's go with that if you saw talking snake and he goes well. I have to ask myself and my hallucinating and my drugs. Eventually I would believe it. It's like wait. Wait a minute so evidence. For God's existence would be a talking snake but then talking snake where to appear to you and talk to you that you would raise yourself out of it. It was clearly the case of he wanted evidence but he had a standard of evidence that he himself did. Not all to the. I which I thought Tyler did a wonderful job exposing that I've one the point. I think Eric suggested that the conversation was a waste of time because of going back and forth in his opinion was and I was thinking to myself I self. This conversation is so useful because it exposes the this almost complete ignorance of one's own presuppositions and one's own old standards. They just take it for granted. The way I think of things. This is the way that it is silly to question. Yeah near Ny. Chris is asking is is this live the answer is yes and if you want to join go to apologize live dot com and you can join if you have questions for us now. Someone is is asking and see who was it was John Wayne was asking They must be talking about Air Hernandez no we are not but every murphy. Yeah but we. We may start talking about Eric Hernandez if we switch topics so all right so question for Eli from humble clay. What are three great books for apologetic? Okay the first one is the generic Christian answer. But I'm totally serious. The Bible. I know I know that kind of generic thing to say. But if you're not familiar with your faith you're not going to be able to adequately defend it so you WanNa know scripture scripture inside and out I really For people who are starting off because I hold to the priests oppositional meth apologetic strongly. Suggest always ready by Greg. Johnson Johnson. you can check out Scott elephants book cover dental apologetic which is on Theresa physician. Apologetic says well so there are different entry level books that you can that you can kind of be gin looking into if you WANNA study. The methodology of apologists also wait groom systematic theology. There are a lot of systematic theology. Which is out there? But that's a simple one and it covers all the basic doctrines and and if you're know you're theology well and how the different aspects of the algae interconnected intertwines you will become very sharp apologised because you'll know the relationships between one belief and another believe how it fits together and how it relates to your broader worldview. So many more but yeah yeah let me give you two. I'll give you two better ones for entry level. I think one is Jason Lyles book the ultimate proof of creation because he lays it out very. It's very easy to follow. The second one is called the fights the rights fight and actually just seeing that. There's John Malone making him read that Ah I told him. I read it in one sitting so he tried He didn't get halfway through But it's the rights. Fight is an excellent book I'm got to I was over at Jay. Lucas Church got to meet him and gave me a copy of his book literally. I started on my flight home and I couldn't put it down. I came. I'm home and just I kept reading. I finished most of it on the plane but Tyler says I can't hear Andrew just ally well that sounds like a problem that tyler has. That's good I can make fun of Tyler. All I want tyler sort sort of inherent. It sounded like he was in his car. He's probably Angela while you're working on that if people are interested on. My Youtube Channel revealed apologetic. Cy Actually really do screen. Share where I scroll through my kindle library and it's just a bunch of apologetic theology books if People WanNa get ideas as to what. What are some books? That might be interesting to them. So I don't know if this is tyler hearing can't hear me that won't be so good but Up He went out so he's probably GONNA to try to come back in all right. So if Tyler is gonNA come in and we want to switch topics to Talking about Eric Anandas for folks. Who Don't know Eric Garner and is believes in I was gonNA say now now I'm going to say it wrong because I have it mon.? Mon Molin Molin ISM instead. WE'RE NOT GONNA end up talking a modal ISM. I I have difficulty with those two words all right. So here's this is Get Danny coming in. So let's see Danny has any questions tonight. Danny looks like he's in the dark spooky and he's gone okay. This is the thing that you know. We used to have with Here's Tyler Tyler Tyler your sideways and you are driving. I am driving. Yeah he he looks the right way to me. Oh really yeah. He looked weird things here in California. Yeah yeah the weather's nice well. What's the temperature? Drove there right now. sixty degrees. Now I hate you. What do I don't know what what what do we have here? I don't even know what the temperature is right now. It's a Oh yeah he's he looks fine on That's interesting yeah. He looks fine on Youtube. So all right. He just looks sideways to me. I in California. I've often thought that you know Tyler's Tyler's theology sideways so it's fitting we could talk. We could go back to talking. Infant baptism so tyler. We were we. Were talking about the debate you you you had to give a quick synopsis of what I had said earlier and then we wanna WanNa talk to you about that debate. I thought you did an excellent zone job in the opening and as I told you I only I only watched the the openings. You did a good job explaining all of the the different views of atheism How it's changed over time? Why you think it changed to what it is? And he's he did his opening as if he didn't hear anything you said almost blew you off and it's just like oh well you know people don't really know what they're talking about you know like poison the well and the Ad Hominem right out of the gate and I was like okay okay. This isn't going to be. This is not even going to be a debate tonight. I but it stayed that way. Pretty much the rest of the time where He didn't really handle or address. Anything that guy actually argued or said My my friend. My friend Mark Lambert. Actually he had probably the funniest synopsis of the entire debate. which is that Eric is trying to refute. My views decided to give decided to give examples to prove my point. Yeah Oh yes oh yes yes you have the edge you watch the rest of it is an. I was telling Andrew Before Tyler that some people suggested that we'll this conversation was a waste of time. I know I was listening to it and I was thinking to myself. This conversation is not a waste of time. It was so useful he literally fell into everything. You would hope that opponent with around on Ev- every point you were you. Were trying to make it at one point. It almost seemed like he didn't have a response almost kind of tried to turn the conversation to so you're kind of being condescending kind of bullying him and I'm just like dude. Come on stay on topic. You did an excellent excellent excellent job I think you. Yeah it's I think at that point that was the end of the open discussion before Q.. And A. and I you know throughout the entire discretion. He kept trying trying to demonstrate my point that the the entire rhetorical move is to try to shift away from having a burden of proof which he just kept doing over and over over again. We're trying to shifted to me defending Christianity. theism or something. I kept having to remind him. Look at look at the top. That's not the topic of the debate. you know repeatedly over and over and at the end of that section I I would just ask him what he was trying to say. Well if you listen to understand they my position that's it. Your world view is is still naturalism with you know a a a pretty strong dose of materialism am I wrong. If if I'm wrong then what's your worldview and he he basically turned it back into. Wow you're being you're being condescending and you know just it just turned into kind of an emotional collapse at that point all right. We do have a question. It's coming in for ally ally. Do you remember remember when we we were the first time we met it was at the South Jersey Apologize Conference I was speaking Matt was speaking. You met you met John Malone there. I don't know if you remember member. He came to dinner with us so John's John's Eski back from that debate. He says he eli. Who Do you think? Won The debate. Uncharismatic yes back in South South Jersey Apologize Conference Matt or Andrew so quickly on his. I don't remember the details. I do tend to resonate resonate with Matt's position and that doesn't mean I think it's true automatic. I mean I grew up in a pentecostal church. I very much mm sympathetic towards that understanding when I say sympathetic I don't mean I mean that I understand where they're coming from It for me the. I don't know where I stand on the but that's that's not the question though well and even John John's saying what what a cop out a long time ago. I have my own position on that and so I was listening to you guys. I don't remember the specific argumentation. You guys using. But I was almost kind of like agnostic towards the sway me one way or the other I just tended to resonate with what Matt was saying but really didn't come to recoil so I I don't I don't know There was a guy there that actually agrees with Matt's position but admitted needed that. I won the debate at this point. That's argument was first. Corinthians one seven okay where. He says that the Church won't will not lack any charismatic gift. And I said Yeah it's not lacking because there's no need a lack requires a need. He's wiesel lack require need and I just read the dictionary definition for lack. And that's when he goes. You won the debate at that point because like you know that I mean that that was that was funny so many ears. How many years ago? That was probably like two three years ago. Now you guys had multiple like every time on here. It eventually will go back to charismatic gifts. No it doesn't got it no. It doesn't it doesn't always go. It was I was gone for what two weeks. And you and Matt. We're like in my absence. You guys are doing charismatic gifts. So but there's John Trying to get us off topic as usual so okay bacteria theism look at look the the sun is is just sitting there in California as good as he wears a light jacket. You know the windbreaker. Yeah that's horrible but I'll be out tyler out to see in a few weeks so yep I'll I'll be out there so we'll have to do our annual dinner all right so what's going on. What's going on over by Tyler conference or something? Yeah Shepherds Conference all right. We got a question coming in for Tyler from atomic apologetic question for Tyler Ketchup or barbecue sauce accused off picking up is what evil taste like. Okay so I mean. I like barbecue. The Saints Saints edified said this Eric De atheist quote. You believe in magic because you think God created everything unquote so I guess. That was a quote from the debate will do you remember the context of yeah. I mean he was he was largely just trying to Again he has no frame of reference for when he's making a claim versus when he's not he kept sliding back and forth between the autobiographical Sense of atheism and the philosophical sense and he kept you know. I'm not making claims. But you believe in agic and I'm like I mean you're making claims that are out within your the presuppositions of your worldview You just don't you just don't realize it but he he was trying to say that that That I believe in magic because because I believe God created everything is that I don't I don't believe in magic. That's that's your own pejorative definition and use of the term magic which is ironic. Because because he's you know he he wanted to continue to fall back and say well you know you guys. You can't define terms for us and I was like oh I mean I'm not trying to defy you can you can call. You could say atheism. Atheism means a slice of roast beef. If you want to. I don't care if you use it that way. I'm just going to point out when you were going to be inconsistent with your on rhetoric but the irony is when is when he continued to go back through and say okay. Well this is what magic has to meet and so there you have to believe it means whenever you have to believe it I mean it was just the the inconsistencies were glaring. Someone's asking where was the debate. So folks came in late. That debate could be seen on the Gospel Truth. Youtube Youtube Channel and Marlin is is in here now sitting youtube so We were talking about earlier if you weren't listening Marlin Joel but but cahiers let me run this by you guys and see what your thoughts are because this is an argument that I'm thinking of trying out. Next time I get an atheist tells me I believe in magic agic. I want to ask them. What kind of magic like how? How are you defining magic? Are you defining magic as something that has. That's a it looks like something is happening when really. It's it's an allusion you it's there's a slight of hand where looks like you're pulling a rabbit out of a hat. The rabbit was actually in the hat. You couldn't see it or are you using magic as something that was that just POPs into existence. Because they're going to mean it more as the latter I think which is exactly their positioning. I think they just collapse it into eight. Because they're anti supernatural. They just collapsed magic to mean any supernatural explanation right if supernatural explanation that doesn't it years. Exclusively natural causation magic. Okay but here's the thing if they're going to say that because that's going to be the the popping into existence so how did matter begin because that is magic their their definition that that there was something in that something something was nothing in that nothing became. Everything will do magic like like like Eric. I mean he's going to. He's going run full steam back into saying well you know. I don't have to say what brought the universe into existence. I you know I can it. It's more intellectually intellectually honest to say I don't know Then then to say an answer you know if you genuinely are not a question. Sure sure but if you're if you're you know if you're if you're natural severe materialist. You're not agnostic. You have beliefs about about what if when it it came into existence you. You're an anti supernatural is for a reason so therefore you think it happened naturally but then then so all nature came about naturally because nature. Naturally I mean it just it becomes incoherent. Well here's here's the thing. You take Richard Dawkins in his his book. I think it was divine divine watchmaker. He says in the beginning that though the universe looks like it's designed it has the appearance of design he then says but it isn't well that's illusion right so he's arguing allusion. It looks like it's designed but it really isn't. That's magic agic. or You want to go. With Stephen Hawking's that there was in the beginning. was nothing in that. Nothing was something that something exploded into everything. That's the magic that they try to say with supernatural either way. They're the ones that have the magic. We don't have magic. We have a creator who created. That's magic that's something. We see creators creek things. He created out of nothing. But he's a different kinda creator now. If they're going to say well that is by that definition you have magic. They have the same thing and they're never going to go down the road right. They're not going going to sit there and argue because this was done. We've said before you came in there. The whole thing you did with the definitions shows that what you have with the eighth atheism today is. They don't want to defend their arguments. They're looking to debate with what we came up with a new term. These new for for US ally and I came up with the term ignorant arrogance. Because that's really what it is. They're complete ignorant. They don't want they don't want to to educate themselves on it but they have to arrogantly and they think they're arrogance gives them the answer. Met yesterday who you try to stay out of the College of it. I mean it is. It is a big appeal towards kind of I would say maybe like a dogmatic ignorance. Ignorance We we saw this in my debate with Tom. Jump and every debate that advertiser where he said he thinks basically well if I can appeal to any type of external are how ridiculous The nats from our is a viable petition as an excavated the were you can't exist because I can just PA. Okay you having having some I can deposit civil works. Yeah and and again. There's this this rapid shotgun approach of a suggesting Other explanations like in your discussion. Tom Jump the whole flying spaghetti monster and he could list all these things as though they're genuine options. But when you actually analyzing the concepts aren't even cohere it or they'll have to look something like what we would understand Stanford God anyway but you just want to call it the flying spaghetti monster or the the Unicorn or whatever the case may be which which proves that they have a science silence of the gaps. Right I mean they claim all you've God of the gaps but they can't explain this they have they have the in the argument. They're making may have the same problem. They just want to ignore their side of the problem. Let me they that John Asks this. How do you tell the difference between design and the appearance of design? What do you say ah question that I that I bring up you know? I brought up in the debate Because when I was asking him for for for what evidence he would actually except to falsify his view that and come to believe that. God this He he couldn't he couldn't do it. He couldn't come up with anything. That would falsify view. There's there's nothing there's there's no possible evidence that that would have him believing God was was the outcome of that of that section. So even when I said okay well You know what. What if the stars of the Sky Rearrange and say y'all way made this he? Initially he tried to say well yeah. That'd be evidence but then when we tried to explore it he said well you know I'd have to make sure you know my mind into Saturday forming we'd have to just because the statistically improbable and all this kind of stuff and so the question becomes I mean if you're GonNa do that then at that level does evidence evidence ever served for design. Because I I always say okay well you know. Someone claims that they that they wrote a book. I mean great but how do and how do I know that I mean it. It could be A. How do I know that I'm not being deceived by? Aliens are not loosening. How do I know that you know that randomly appear in my mind is I mean you could do this for literally any explanation? Any claims explanation it. Just we'll no explanation explicable when I'm on the street. It's a little different than in a fall debate and so you have to be a little bit more creative because you have a crowd there as well right. I've done this. I've done this a couple times and it's always funny I'll I'll get someone else okay. What what evidence would you accept that God exists you you tell me what evidence would take? I had a guy. Once he goes he puts his hand out. Goes if God puts a hamburger in my hand right now I believe I said what if God puts the money for a hamburger in your hand right now we about your knee and believe even Jesus he goes yes so pulled five dollars out. I walked over to. I slept it in his hand. I said there you go about your knee. And he's like you that I'm the vessel that God used used I got I got up on. I got my box anyway. Folks a Jewish Christian giving away money. That's not a miracle which of course got Pity laughing but I said I let you define the miracle but any way. It doesn't matter what the miracle is. You'll rationalize it. The parting according to the Red Sea. You'll go see it. It was just. It wasn't perfectly dry. They're going to because they have a confirmation bias and for folks that don't know what that is. Let me hold on let me defined confirmation bias. Real quick confirmation biases when people start with the conclusion they only accept information that that agrees with the conclusion. Anything disagree seclusion. They throw out. There's a way illustrate this. That's a refund way but I'll get to it after Eli well. I think what people bring up also is like if there's an event that's miracle well well can we test it Kennedy repeatable and they start making these qualifications which just diminishes the miracle from being a miracle if it happens regularly and you can test to predict what what prevents you from positing some other naturalistic explanation for it. And so I think Tyler Tyler might have brought out. I'm not sure if it was in your discussion with Eric Ore someone else. But it was the talking snake portion. That's right that's right so like miracles by definition are not you know nope. They're not things you just commonly see you know all over the place and if you do see them then you you know. It's not miraculous. It's just a normal thing. Then you come up with another natural naturalistic explanation to explain it away. So Again I tyler did an excellent job exposing the insufficient I would say self-contradictory standard and what constitutes evidence and Marlin Greasy. He have his court up. Here you know tyler can read this soul read a tomb. It says Tyler did a great job at Ed Exposing Eric's biopsies thus Greg Monson is correct. There are no neutrality. And it's a good thing that Tyler's not reading because if he did he would have seen this one earlier that we put up from John Malone that says pay attention to the road. I don't want you to run over rate comfort. And it's cool dog. They walk across dead. Stop traffic on on a one. I doubt traffic in. La Is is a different animal and marlins votes are saying for you to come on if you want but you know here. Here's what I do to expose confirmation bias and I don't know if you guys have seen me do this before but I've done this on the street. I did this at the reason rally was the first time that I did this. I had a guy that came up and he I was trying to explain to him because no matter what arguments pure giving. He's just making excuses. He's just writing it off. I ended up saying to him. I said look. Let me expose what you're doing. I what I want you to do is give me evidence. Said Your name is Steve. You're born in Italy in Nineteen fifteen proved that I'm wrong and no matter what he gave me. He's he's like he goes. He goes looking my driver's license. I was like Steve. I had a fake one of those when I was seventeen and of course I have to keep calling them. Steve I I forget his name now but you know. So he's like well look at my birth certificate. This is back a few years ago like you can have a fake one of those even Brock Obama has a fake one of those which I was glad he actually left that. I couldn't use my grandmother who had fake birth certificate to get into the country but You know he's like well ask my parents. I'm like Steve. They've been lying to you all your life the not going to tell you the truth now and so he eventually like throw his hands and he's like there's no argument I can make you can't make an excuse around it. I said exactly. That's exactly what you're doing you. You're not looking at at what I'm saying to you and giving an evaluation you have confirmation bias. You start with that conclusion and then you you look at that as we. We do have an atheist though it's in here or at least it's watching what you can join. If you want easy rider just go to apologize. Live Dot Com. And so you could. There's a link to participate Onstream Yard so he says though as an atheist I already know what will convince me. I I want Paul had on his Damascus road conversion special revelation combined with a form of the US so you have special revelation. It's it's called the Bible. Listen you don't need anymore. And he says if it was good enough for Paul why not good enough for me. He's speaking to eighth at Ethan. But the issue is Paul all didn't need that polarity new God existed just like you do easy rider. I mean the only difference between Paulin him as Paul wasn't suppressing it on the question for easy rider be I mean if if any natural explanation is intrinsically more plausible supernatural one and Why why would why would that convince them? The lie would. Why would that experience convince him to believe in God like why? Why wouldn't he go get his his head check? Why wouldn't you think that he had a hallucination? Why wouldn't he think that that he had been temporarily drugged and under came? You know Suggested recommendations I I why wouldn't again. Why wouldn't you think aliens strict? I mean what. What about that piece of evidence would lead him to then and say therefore there is a transcendent God and creator of the Universe who exists and I must worship see? That's the reason why it's not. It's not about `bout evidence per se. I mean evidence does play a role but it really is an issue of a change of heart. And that's something that God's GonNa have to do on. We hope that God does something like that. When we're discussing the Gospel with that person or giving evidence but it's never just merely you need evidence? It's something a says it has to do a lot with the heart and I know people who I I need evidence I need to have it. It's either front. I used to be in a band a long time ago. I need evidence of that I actually. I actually say I used to be in a band for quite some time. And My Guitar Player We were strong Christians and Years Past and eventually I found that he became an atheist And I met up with him and we. We took a nice long walk. And he's like man I just don't see any evidence evidence. I don't see any evidence that we kept talking talking. Eventually when we finished our long long walk he looks at me and says you know what even if you give me evidence. I wouldn't believe in God bowels like well. You could have saved us the walk if you admitted that towards the beginning and I knew it wasn't just an issue of evidence it's it's it's a hard issue there's much more than just show me and then l.. Believe Yeah and this question. I'm GonNa ask you so easy right to ask something then. I'm going to ask be better if he comes in here because it's a lot easier. There's the delay that makes it hard but He he ends up saying this if God cannot make the if God cannot make the experience revelatory to the point that it would be undeniable than it's not revelation relation is it is undeniable. You already know God exists. You suppress that. But here's here's the question for you easy rider. This is the question that when the first reason rally when we went out that we were asking all of the professing atheists if I gave you that evidence to your satisfaction action would you worship God because the thing that amazed US person after person after person that we asked to hundreds of people every one of them at the reason rally no so then. It doesn't matter about the evidence it's not about evidence because the evidence isn't going to convene because most these guys already. We asked that question of earn raw. You know okay would you if we if we if we satisfy to your satisfaction that God exists. Would you worship no okay. This isn't an evidence issue. It's a spiritual issue and I and I think that that it's interesting that he says well you know if God couldn't make it so that it was undeniable. I mean you could suppress it. Paul's experience was deniable. He could've sued elucidating waiting You know he he could. If they conserve aliens he could have said. It wasn't God it was it was ancient aliens. You know he should have been the guy on the history history channel. I mean He. I think easier You know an experienced by Paul well all could have if he was suppressing. The truth drew he could have denied that so not idiot. Runner is already changing. The he's okay. Let's let's let's let's take a look at someone that did did have the same evidence even more so than Paul Judas. Judas saw all the miracles he saw he saw all the claims he saw. Jesus do all that. But it wasn't an evidence issue could example. Okay question came in for you here tyler from saints edified. Don't read it on the screen. You keep keep your eyes on on the traffic in front of you. That's like dead. I know you're probably only doing like five miles an hour because that's La but yeah tyler in in the debate I can't read. It says Tyler in the debate you said that you would believe in evolution or something to that effect. If the evidence was sufficient. Do you remember that. Can you explain what I what I basically said was I. I don't really. I don't really know I'm agnostic caustic. I haven't studied it. It's you know it's asking me about evolution is like asking you about the chemical composition on the third planet orbiting Alpha Centauri. I and I don't know I I don't know I understand that it's the majority view I understand that there are there are people who are for it and against it then have degrees the have relevant Chiro idea I have a hunch that From what I know of the philosophical considerations or something like the neo we are winning and synthesis that that's almost certainly false Because then you're getting into issues of of Information Theory and creativity and of complexity and getting into your getting into the realm that I do things about which I just find that improbable But as as far as as some of the other issues I just have no idea and and I just I mean those that no my Mo- my view on on Genesis. This is the section even. If you disagree you know I just. I don't think that it's hopeful. Relevant topic really that much So yeah well e- easy rider said this and I still challenge easy rider to come on in and You know have a discussion in here. But I- pro. He probably won't but easy rider says apologize. Doesn't convince me you're right and you can quote the scripture until the cows turn blue. Do I have no reason to believe that. The scriptures are true. I think he was trying to get something to rhyme. Yeah says St. till the cows come home but But notice but notice what he says. This is going back to go back. I mean the the initial reaction that I have to to his original. Well gutted this romy as point eight hardy shadows a bad disposition of the heart that you don't want to believe because it says it it doesn't say I gonNA. I'm GonNa try to live in God added to it. Says God need to come to me on my all. Believe when you bow down to me God and you do what I want right if it already shows that your disposition only opposed believing in God as God but beyond on that I mean notice what the answer is the the answer is well. He's had experience like Paul and help you out that Absa. Let's use that data. Paul can falsify wine and believe the Bible anyways. I mean okay but this is like this is like when I asked Eric what evidence would count. Brevity UNI start. Oh well talking snake in a party in the Red Sea and I said Okay Okay okay. Let's let's start with the talking today. Five brought in a snake in San down in front of you started talking. Would that be evidence for the guy you know. I WANNA see under what conditions accord Mike. Well but if all of that happened it happened under repeatable conditions right I think conditions like I think it's a great point a great point if we stick with Easy riders standard says. If that happened to him he would he would believe it's easy to say that over a tax But when that's examined I mean we have to convince you just by responding to attacks. What if we or a conversation? We'd have to press that and see if that's actually the case because from our experience and from the experience with Tyler's interaction with with Eric and in my debate eight with Eric It's the same issue you can say. All I need is evidence. And here's what it would be and then when you actually examined that it's actually not the case that that was the thing that would convince you. So yeah we can convince you here. talking on a three face. You know three three windows greed but we were having a conversation we we'd want to explore that a little bit to see it actually the case anything people in the chatter exposing the fact that they're asking them. Have you read the Bible. He hasn't unless I missed it. I don't think he answered that that some people are saying that he hasn't read it so maybe he did answer. And I didn't see it but my guess is he probably hasn't read the Bible like most that say that the Bible's full of contradictions. Haven't they haven't researched it. That is the rate there when you see people that do that. That shows you the amount of convincing convincing. They really need right. They know the Bible can't be trusted but they haven't actually researched anything of it right. They haven't no no we don't but we don't know unless unless he said yes. So the question for easy rider did you have you a read. The Bible Have you studied the Bible. If you've read it if you've read it and studied it to what level have you studied have done textual criticism things like that. Because what I find with most professing atheist is they say that. The Bible can't be trusted but they haven't studied it at all they haven't they haven't even read it for many of them and so what you find is. This is the level of convincing that they they they have winner comes to the Bible. They have a conclusion Asian without any research but then they say but you have to give them convincing evidence will you. Didn't you don't need convincing evidence. You believe leave. The Bible can't be trusted not not based on convincing evidence because you haven't studied that so therefore the the it's on either what someone else says or just what you want to be true. Yeah or or they've read it purely to prove texted and try to pick it apart because they have a motivated. If I asked to try to find things this is why you get things like the Bible is false because it says boxer birds and says pie is exactly three and you just get you get silly nonsense like that because to be honest I mean I'm trying to be as nicest charitable like just they just don't know how to read literature well And and and they come with this kind of anti intellectual. If I give us the most the most cursory Serie I add show reading that I can possibly give to it then I then I read it and therefore it's stupid and halts search. Yeah we WANNA be careful to. There are very educated people who have studied the scriptures and are very acquainted with how the Bible came to be and still reject it but we still argue that their rejection is not justified because oftentimes there are some philosophical underpinnings. That prevent them from coming into positive conclusions that bibles true sometimes their standard of evidence of what the right back to that conversation against. What constitutes evidence that would demonstrate straight? The Bible's true. What do you mean demonstrations? Are you saying that the evidence that we provide must must prove that the Bible is true with one hundred percents certainty or are you trying to ask us to prove that the Bible is most probably true. I mean you're different. Ways that people can their presuppositions will affect how they interpret the evidence provided and we'd have to examine examine those it's not an issue of just merely laying out evidence. You know that the person's asking for and taking a point that humble clay says he he says there's a lot of quote Christians actions on quote that haven't studied or read the Bible and and that brings up son. I WanNa say with that because a lot of these professing atheists say well I read the Bible or you take like a hunting i. I read the Bible when I was Christian Right. So there's there's people who grew up in a Christian home and may have read read the Bible once in a while maybe even read it cover to cover. Okay let's give you know here. We go here. I seen answer here. Easy rider saying I've spent the better part of forty years studying the Scripture and still love studying it from a purely historical perspective today. And so you know now that would be you. You know the the what level of study. There's there's those who can it who can read I can. I can sit and read the book of Mormon and I could read doctrine and covenants program price. Those are the three works that you'd have three of the four of the of the Bible in Mormonism. I can read the Koran. I just read them. But I can tell you someone who's written a systematic theology on those religions. There's a big difference between just reading the Koran and reading thing if for the purpose of understanding what they believe now I could read it to nitpick and it would be much easier because I don't I wouldn't have to try. Try to make good arguments. And that's what most atheist do they read it to nitpick and that's what tyler was. Thank but if you're if you're studying it to see what the proper a position is and this is the issue I have with a combat. Go hunting. He says he used to be a Christian. Well then he didn't really study the scriptures because if he had studied the scriptures then he would have known that the position that the Bible teaches. Is that if you walk away from the faith like he claims he did then. He was never a Christian but he still. Bill claims he was a Christian. Well in my in my debate with Eric. We talked about the trinity when we talked about internal worldview critiques and I invited neither do internally critique my worldview and he brought up the trinity and he says well you believe this about the tragedy and he flat out wrecked it. It was kind of like God is three beings things Three persons he had this weird convoluted definition of the Trinity. That wasn't the case and I was amazed if you grew up as a Christian. How could you not properly properly understand the basic concept not the INS and outs in the philosophical issues that you can get into the basic definition of the trinity so saying that you are wants wants a Christian doesn't really say that much unless you're able to demonstrate you know? This is what Christians believe represented accurately. So let's see question came in is why doesn't why does nobody respond to the confirmation bias question so I'm not sure which by which question So if he could put that. Maybe I skipped that so. Just put that in there If anyone wants to come and join join in. That's that's the best way to do it. You can ask any questions or give challenges I would. It'd be good for easy rider to come on in and just go to apologize. Live live DOT com. Click the link to to participate. John Malone here says I tried to pick the Bible apart then I became a Christian. Uh happens to that. Does atomic apologetic says I keep waiting for a police lights to light up behind tyler. I'm I'm complied. Yeah Yeah you do. Video Matt Yester- He's a I think I was trying to click on different met yester- after one but Anyway he saying easily answered neutrality is a myth regarding the ultimate issue Matt Yester- you have not been in here in a very very long time. You you should get on here. By the way Matt Yester- is one of my favorite presupposition analysts questions on apologize. Yeah call that Dan. I know for three hours. Come on the Mass Matt is really smart. Really good and I don't know why he doesn't incoming here more often I think maybe because he doesn't WanNa scorch rocking on this course. I don't have time for discord and and I guess this is to John is saying you can even join by phone own. See so there. You Go All right so so. Let's let's deal with the you know on the area of atheism. You know the atheist thing that they have really good arguments for atheism. So my challenge is what is the best arguments. You guys have heard Word for atheism. Because I don't typically hear arguments for atheism. I hear arguments against Christianity. And that's not actually an argument for Korea. theism well me personally the big thing I keep a good. It's a good tyler. I I was just Kazam and I think that's I think that's largely right and that was the point that I was making. Is that when when they say things like you now. Eight theism as evidence day today. DEISM is true. Atheism is read fall. I mean they're they're they're using atheism in philosophical percents which which can no longer me. I'm merely lack of belief is because nearly lacking a beliefs description. It's like saying I have brown hair. I'm five foot ten. It's it's not. It's not a statement of fact about my person not a metaphysical claim about the way the causes. Actually is this assay. Atheism is reasonable or atheism is evidence based just eight years of his lack of leaf than all. You're saying thing is evidence based at Brown okay. Goal that's But that doesn't really help anything. That's that's right. And then they shift this other philosophical definition really is the there is no god position in my correct right and then they're they're colloquial commission as belief so they'll say when you ask them. I lacked believe but then when they interact with you they'll shift from that that popular is definition to the more philosophical the definition and then jump back into the more you know the kind of the psychological description which we were talking about before you came on Tyler Which if atheism really it just boils down to a lack of belief that is true by definition here just defining you're just describing your psychological state? Well that's easy rider saying he says. What makes you think we need an argument? I'm unconvinced for the claims of Thatcherism. Makes that's what I was gonNA say before there. You Go. Is that the the most the most common thing that I hear from the atheist. Is that the strongest reasons to be an atheist is that they're unconvinced of the arguments commits but see. That's not proof of atheism though I because that's just the arguments fail. That doesn't demonstrate that God does not exist correct so so if if so let's let's take a different some if if you're arguing I was gonNA use football teams but I don't know any okay If you'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA argue that it Roger fetters the greatest tennis player of all times we. You don't do that by saying how bad and dollars right because that doesn't prove that Federer is great it just preussen dollars. Not This is what they're doing they try to say. Well there's no there's no good arguments for theism okay. Then that doesn't prove atheism. See that the only thing that if that's the case that would prove that there's not a good argument for theism awesome. That doesn't prove atheism NAF- they're going to say it's one or the other I got to be one or the other okay. Then they're saying that they do have a positive claim that God does not exist not that they lack of belief but now they're easy. Rider is stuck in a in a positive claim therefore he does need an argument and does need proof well but it was easy rider. Say Right Right. That's what I'm saying is even saying that atheism. It was true. Maybe he doesn't say that maybe says identifies an ATS. Because I haven't found kissing arguments so but that'd be awesome. which again notice see if he is but this is the point if you knock theism down right? That doesn't prove atheism is true because you can have agnostic. This is A. B. C.. It's unless you can unless there are only two options so it's unless it's Kadhamy that you have either a orbi and there's no possibility of any other options. Then what he has went in. His argument is a logical fallacy. Elsie called the fallacy of the excluded middle. Because he's he's laying it out as if there's only two options there's either theism or atheist. He is a false dichotomy. Well it's also called. Yeah I never knew that there was the fallacy of. It's it's actually it's false economies same. Same the you'll hear both ways so but the idea of it is that there's a third option in his in his analogy that he laid out. There's only only two options and yet what we see is there's a third you have atheism agnostic. theism you if you disprove fee ism you having proven atheism. And that's the thing if you have to have a true dichotomy t- to use that kind of rationale goals. So He's saying he saying here a little bit. The apple I give is of Galileo. Some people think that Galileo like proves heliocentric didn't Galileo's conclusion Liuzhou ended up being through his arguments were terrible I mean like we know this. We know the attempts that that cow amazed the heliocentric were false. They were really really bad and they were known him during his lifetime to be really really bad and so during his lifetime said okay well we can we can prove the Galileo's arguments are calls so so therefore yeah well that that doesn't follow right just because the arguments for something. Our phone doesn't mean that the conclusion early fall or if they said about because his arguments are false. Therefore Jason Jerusalem is true. That doesn't follow why you can't actually make those claims when the atheist says something like well you know this is false or this stupid or theism is irrational them. mm-hmm they're not merely lacking belief they are presupposing the truth of their own believe It is and this is why Eric and I was like. I'm sorry if you don't like how this feels but your claim to neutrality. Right you make you might in autobiographical sense lack of belief that God exists like if all of your beliefs are marvel at a box. There's no marble in your box that corresponds proposition proposition. God exists great. You lack that marble. But that's not the end of the story. You're you're not neutral right the problem with defining thing eight years in that way is you're either an agnostic and you're this or you're you're staining humility that you don't actually have. You're not actually neutral because you actually possess believe that God doesn't exist that we live in God s cosmo. Yes you're just you're you're being disingenuous right well. So here's here's some news. Here's some news. He's here Matt Yester- There he is all right right and so matt. I'll let you I'll let you sell different. Yeah I'll let Matt met you. You can meet yourself and then There while this is the first time I've actually seen Matt actually shown on camera live the house. He ever see your camera on the metal. Let you respond to this one Easy Rider says this either a God exists or it doesn't that is a true dichotomy. I put my bank on either proposition. As there is no proof either. Way Withholding belief is perfectly reasonable position to hold. You know there's no truce yeah so what do you think. Is it a reasonable position to hold to it. Because there's no way to prove either side but I haven't really proper standards his. I can't hear them. I don't know if you guys I here here. Let me see me try now okay. Test his mouth. I hear my wonder if folks feel excluded. I'm the only question is are people on Youtube hearing them. Uh So folks on Youtube enough. You heard Matt Yester- he's Matt's also sideways for me. I don't know why it makes me have in. Turn my head to read the books over his shoulder. It's really a bummer. Now you're upside down my mind. I don't know your upside down on mine now. Let's see what that actually doesn't you too so I mean I would argue my position with that would be that. He's he's really not he's really not having a reasonable position because he's trying to say that he doesn't have to give of an answer in he can just. Oh I just watched on Youtube that when you turn your camera. Youtube fixed it even even though you're upside down on mine So I guess I guess somehow yeah that's neat it just. I don't know my screen. You're completely Louis upside down right now. But whichever way you want yeah now you're wide angle on Youtube. So here's the thing I would argue If you're trying to say that it's a that there's no way to prove that God exists or doesn't exist but you think think it's a reasonable argument to say that you know he doesn't exist. Why based on what and in that? Why would someone think they don't need to to actually make an argument to me? It seems more like easy. Rider is like many professing atheists. He just doesn't want to have to defend his position while he's got a proper standard Peru. What would that be? I still can't hear earm- he asked what would be the standard of proof. Yeah but notice what he said he said there is no proof. And so how can you say to me. God exists assists. When you're ready convinced that there can be no proof that seems that seems problematic? They are I'd have to ask him to expand on that bit. That's why he should come in here in defend himself so I mean this this is the thing yeah visit Matt. He would argue. He's not making a positive claim while we say there is no proof that he's making obviously philosophical position about what proof is. Aw that there's a lack of it would that be okay. SERTA's the other things so he. He says he's totally lacked liking improve and other things he's just saying for particular things God yes so he says I've never stated that God does not exist. I just don't I believe the claim that he does again. What would you call that person? The full. According to the Bible Guana gossip I would also had been up here in a bad area. Oh Oh you send them better now think of an analogous case right so if some one says well there there's no evidence for evolution and so therefore I lack of leaving evolution right easy rider going to be like okay. Well you've been approved then that's okay you know I I you know I especially if I win around saying oh well you know. evolutionist are irrational and stupid. And they have you know they they believe believe nonsense. Let's say oh well that that jives or is it going to say well one There is all kinds of evidence. You're making a false claim out the state dating evidence. You need to defend your claim and to you said two contradictory things you just use it that you lack a belief but then you also went on a positive Aug. statement of negative leaf saying the position is full right. They're just they're all over the map. They want their cake and eat it too. It just doesn't work that way. That's exactly it. I mean they they wanna be able to to not have to defend their claims but you should have to defend yours in fact you should have to defend. There's there's really not there's really not much we can do uh-huh with someone who's texting in. I mean we'd have to press. Yes see if he's really Would make good on what he says he saying. And what he thinks is actually the a case in regards to one's ability to prove it or not. I mean the. There's really not much eight. I'm not convinced of arguments for God's existence and you text it in like okay. You can't really do it. Yes there's no there's nothing to interact with You know we have to press his worldview And and show 'em I know you said it in passing Andrew that that that all men no God exists But we have the press that to actually demonstrate that not merely to make the claim which I think a lot of people think when we say all men no God exists that we're just merely making a claim but actually make Within the context of worldview opposition to world is against. It's each other. We WanNA press those issues to show. This is why we're making that claim and this is how that can be demonstrated so there needs to be a little more interaction than just you know a text here or there. That's okay he doesn't WanNa come in that that's fine. I mean doesn't it would just wants to listen and share thoughts there but It's very easy to throw. Rocks walks from faraway. Yeah well this goes back to what we said about about. Tyler's debate right and what we see these debates with with professing atheists is the fact. Act that they just they have they're ignorant arrogance and they think that's sufficient they don't WanNa have to actually defend anything they just WANNA throw rocks Card card was says this. Here's some questions for us He says he she should be correct. I don't know who card whizzes. Why does the the eighth easiest utilized reason? When only matter exists in an atheist worldview or am I mistaken rush? Who wants to answer that? It depends you'd have to really talk to the eighth the specific atheist I mean I know some atheists that don't automatically commit it themselves to a sort of metaphysical naturalism In the sense that all that existed purely matter I mean you could be agnostic. In the sense. You can be agnostic in regards due to the nature of reality perhaps there are some immaterial elements to to reality and they can just refrain from making a belief in that regard so it depends who you're talking the at least in my experience. I'd have to be careful not to assume the halls baggage of the person you know claims media atheist. Do you have anything if you put. Though if you push mostly star metaphysics push the the buttons and you kind of remove under layers of the onion out then. Eventually you'll get to the point where it's like well. Yeah you know I kind of believe we. Now it's mattered motions type deal but it really does depend for. You're talking with Matt. What do you say yeah degree? Yeah when pressed against the wall the layout there view reality and now the knowledge from that. So that's trying to you can't talk about one field without bringing in the other goes. Metaphysics exhibits Symbiotic in that in that way One depends upon the other For intelligibility you WANNA claim regarding this category category so Heavier grounding knowledge from that view of reality and because you're making knowledge claims about that rally so they're they're super cool and symbiotic in that fashion. Now he says this to lay out there at the latter. The reality easy rider says this and this this is good because this shows us why it's important to get two definitions since he says I'm not throwing rocks nor my denigrating anyone for their beliefs. I'm not convinced for the claims. That's all but yet. He made claims that the Bible isn't true right. That's a claim that is something that he he what what what because I made the statement what I meant by throwing rocks. I don't mean that he's trying to be insulting correct. It's easy to throw out the statement through for God or I'm not convinced it's easy to make that statement if the person's not willing to step out and actually will let's examine that and that and that's why I wanted to bring it up. Because what what he did there is he changes it to say. We'll see I'm not I'm not you know denigrating anyone's beliefs chiefs as if that's the meaning of throwing rocks right so it's a it's a change which is exactly what I thought. Tyler did brilliantly in the debate with Eric is to give all the definitions so that really. Okay choose a definition and we'll stick with it right but then that's all. I think he doesn't want to do that. And I think that's that was beautiful. The way that tyler did that was to lay that out because it all comes down to definitions and they don't want they don't want anything they just they just want to keep throwing darts thrown rocks. Whatever you WANNA say to say you're wrong you're wrong you're wrong? You're wrong long but I don't have to defend why you're wrong unless you have the rest who holds two eight theism and just doesn't want to argue about it that's fair. I mean there as his who like. I don't want to argue about it. This is just what I believe. But that's not the atheist we're interacting with when we're directly with youtube atheists or people who are actually engaging you know you are actually remaking claims and so let's interact a little bit you know what I mean. Yeah and this goes back to the the thing I said I. I'm not. I'm not trying to be condescending Aruba but when he says you know I. I'm merely unconvinced by the claim. No you're I I just. I just don't believe you if you're self identifying as an atheist. Listen you're coming in this group and you're saying things that you say. I have a hard time believing that you don't have the positive belief that we either live ever probably live in God less cosmos that that is that reality is God less I just i. I'm so I just I I just maybe maybe I'm Scott. I'm unconvinced by your claim. I laughed I believe in your objectivity I just you know I I give this clause example ice. I could say oh well. I'm just unconvinced by the arguments of Santa Claus. Let's just disingenuous because I positively disbelieve any being such a Santa Claus exists. I think we live in Santa. Santa Less Cosmos Destroy People's worldviews. Right now come on February December's task because they've been the house we'll get we'll get we'll get the LEPRECHAUN allies. Kids are so upset with you right now with everything you know. It's so easy writers. You did that easy saying I never said that I that I don't trust the Bible Unfortunately I couldn't go put his. You know his quote backup there but it's not. I can't go back that far but he so here's thing he's is now saying he never said it yet he said that there's there's no evidence you can quote the Bible until the cows are blue. I don't believe it's true. That was what he had said. He then defended it that he studied it for forty years. And now he's saying I never said that and there's the issue of we. We were never suggesting that quoting the Bible is the way we prove the Bible requoted until the cows turn blue. I mean well. That's not were trying to do is try to prove the Bible by just quoting it We have arguments. We have things that we understand evidence and then those things needs to be hashed out in more detail detail. Okay so all right. So he's he's saying here's he. He's here for conversation. If he was here for a conversation he'd actually come in all right. So Jess Jess asks this question. She she saying Andrew. Can you guys. Can you discuss partial Predator ism almost over so we okay so since the show's almost over Any of you guys WanNa take a shot at at partial predators interests of. I don't know I think we all are some culture. Read on yeah. I got introduced partial tourism through Gary's of ours book last days. Mattis Mattis the obsession of the modern church and that was actually my entrance into apologetic. Because it was actually through Gary Jamar okay. Learned about this guy named Greg Johnson. So we'll the real quick to allow your your end times you would be. I'm a partial prejudice hoogly aligned with Gary Demar nobody of a would you be mill. Would you be see now I leave. I lean towards post. Okay good reason for doing it I sure hope that you're stuck in traffic there. Tyler that your arms are folded. But you you'd be partial printers personal park. Yeah you're so only two hours for him to get home and it's only a five minute. It's only a five mile ride. So you're in times you would be what I'm your meal. I would be premium so we kind of have pre meal mill post mill and yet. We can all hold to. Do you know a a partial view. So the partial view would see that that there was some some of the fulfillment of those prophecies but not all full of full pressurised view would be more problematic because it would say that. Every prophecy that we see in scripture has been completed I think they almost all would say at the in seventy ad at the you the destruction of the temple. that we wouldn't we would disagree with. I think all of us disagree because we all hold to a second coming we. We just would have differing views of whether as millennial kingdom weather's not when the rap shrewd occur if there is one things like that but but notice and this is why I think the question was kind and good. We have three different times us all of us. I don't know where Matt where you're at with your times you. You may not be here because he turned his camera. I think meal if I remember. Yeah I couldn't remember so but you see the everyone thinks that it's one camper the other and yet partial Predator ism is something I think everyone's going to hold to unless they unless they're going to say that there's there's no none of the the Prophecies have been fulfilled yet. And I don't know anyone that hopes to that I think in a sense everyone who holds to a second coming still. The future is a partial predators. But I don't think that's a cheap is meaning. When she asked the question partial tourism can refer to a specific view? And then if you want to push the the phrase a little bit deeper than yeah we can make the qualification that all of us who believe in a in a second coming in the future are a partial predators but I think by a dispensationalist dispensational premium person Although technically yeah partial prejudice. But that's not how they would identify into five cells within the within the discussion the debates you know what I mean but by the definition by the by the by the definition but I think someone who's trying to look for differentiation between the different views I think it can be a little confusing to say well. Most Orthodox Christians who believe in the second coming are partial prejudice. Okay the the partial predators position that I think people usually associated with that phrase that there are some distinctive that set it apart from say a dispensational perspective or something want and this is where it's going to get hurt so she says so. The son of perdition has been revealed. Well if you take a look at scripture The major tax that are discussed within these ecological discussions. You have Matthew Twenty Four Luke. Twenty one in Mark Thirteen. And then you have I alone in revelation things like that a partial pressurised. Who takes that many of these events You know in indeed chapters and sections scripture took place during the time leading up to including the destruction of Jerusalem Even though we hold to that understanding that doesn't mean we are necessarily able to identify in what ways each of those prophecies worth it does. Get a little confusing. I think what a partial fighter is does is try a to Keep very closely to understanding the context and the time texts that give us an indication as to when something might have been filled how it's fulfilled necessarily you're going going to differ depending on which with partial riders who was the son of Perdition Judas or was it some future. You know antichrist's coming. Yeah I look at the specific specific verse. which which I is she referring to that? I'm not sure Yeah Jesse should come. You should come in here jess I could I could. I can help you You could hold this on like a recapitulatory view like Like Hendrickson view And you could argue that at a bunch of these A bunch of these positions are a bunch of these These types have have multiple archetypal fulfils throughout throughout history So that way that that's why John can say many many antichrist's come and yet kettle talk about the coming of the anti because you could. You could have archetypal type of film it so you can have the first antichrist's being someone you know possibly Caesar Niro Who who John would be referred to as the Anti Christ you could also so Have kind of a a recapitulation or reiteration of that type throughout history as the persecutor of the church the one who's out trying to seek in disturbed bride bride of Christ but they're still be a final Worst version of that comes about about so it's not necessarily darty came or it's going to come back you know it doesn't have to be that I agree with you there but we do want to be careful will with the double fulfilment concept running amok. I mean we can't take that and just run with it. There are limits. We don't WanNa just assume well I'M GONNA hold to this specific position position. Because it's still possibly true that there could be another fulfillment so I agree with you. There there has been doubled for filming in scripture. And but I think taking that interpretive principle we need it'd be very cautious again is e. Are you saying that my neighbor is not film of Perdition. You're trying to say your neighbor met him. You don't know all right so so oh John. John Left John and will consume was in here. I was going to play something I wanted him here for. But we get to two things to wrap up. I figure you guys can enjoy this This was one time. I'm going to play two clips for for those that atheist. This is listen to the logic that that this is the logic of atheists when you you tried to get them to actually pin them down on things even if it's simple things they have a hard time. This was a discussion met head on the show with an atheist. So let's listen to this issue statements. That are true or false. I gave you a statement and you said it doesn't apply to that it's not only statements would be south. So is it true that I'm talking to you. Is it true that is true saving. I'm talking to us at drill. Yes okay is it true. That babies exist Well I mean how. ABC exists babies exist. Babies exist true or not the case. That is true. I I mean come on down. The won't be very strict about it. I would be school. Okay we're done talking. That caused this response from John. Wilkinson in writing. This was good. No sense of having a conversation with someone who who just can't even recognize the statement that babies exempt. Well you can give me a break. We're never going to get anywhere. He's not He's not having a normal conversation. We're going to move on to something else that's ridiculous. He's not interested in a conversation. He's arguing. I am an infant. That's just trapped and find out that I already decided. As soon as I said you know Housing Angeles would babies exist. It's hard time moving on you. Know John You headstone. Yeah I was going to say he doesn't want to have a compensation you ask them Over a simple question do babies exists and he has to dodge APPs. Yeah it's freaking question. Come on John's little fighting games in all the prepares. Did you not deny vacant. You'll do anything to do. You really think he's saying all right. There's any chance to play that John Clip. It's it's like the Greg Clip. It's it doesn't matter how bad of mood I am ever in and we just gets me laughing. It's my favorite part is. There's no there's no babies all right so we'll wrap. We'll wrap up with this. This came in from Cameron. We're talking about magic earlier. So he he he sent in a definition for magic case. As for us to US so here it is Definition of someone who believes in magic quote a person or persons WHO believes Jeffrey seen killed himself unquote? There you go. There's there's a definition of magic all right. Well thanks for coming in so maybe next week tyler. You'd probably enjoy this too. Maybe next week will will pick up the topic of You know going to say more Molin Ism as going to say it wrong again. So maybe we pick up Mona's next week and nets won that Tyler you've dealt with on your podcast on on the free thinker freed thinker. That's a D at the end for folks the freed thinker podcast. You D- You. Don't I think three episodes at least you did three in a row I think the on with modernism there were pretty good You know you and I had an exchange here on politics live with AIRCR Anandas that I thought that that wind will And so I know you've dealt with your your. I don't know if you dealt with it on your podcast you've done dealt with it on on your your channel but unrevealed politics right yeah. I interviewed Dr James White where critique modernism and then I had tyler on and he did amazing job. No not not tyler siler. who was it I had someone else I we're GONNA I'm GonNa have yes? Tim Stratton went on. And then I'm trying to set up a discussion or slash informal kind of debate sort of thing with with Tim. Stratton and Tyler okay And so We'll try to make that. It happened but Yeah we've had a lot of discussions question. Tyler is one of my regards to the way he criticizes and critiques. I think he does an excellent job. So here's here's going to be my claim a made this. Maybe this will be the We'll put this out and we if we get some some Molin is to come in. I'll put this as As the title for for next week I get check. Make sure it's still going to be here next week. the the will put in. Molin ISM is determinism determinism. I think that would be a fun. A fun discussion. Because I think it actually is. I think that it proves determine as more than it you know. They're they're trying to get away from that. And that's what I think it actually proves so but I do thank you guys for coming in. I guess I in light of recent recent news I had gotten this and so for those watching. We'll have to you know it's a trump fan the case I need to fan myself. I got a a trump. Oh eight I got it backwards. That's why it's a trump fan twenty twenty so there you go all right so Close Out We have Just given a quick announcement of things If anyone wants to join us. They're still they're still a few spots left in our Israel trip It is filling up. I think I think I was told there may only be six six eight. Maybe ten slots left. I'm not even sure I I know it's single digits. I'm pretty sure it's single digits. So if you want to join us us will be going to Israel March twenty twenty one Just go to 2021 Israel trip dot com if you WANNA check out all the details. We're going to be going. It'll be a striving fraternity along with Justin Peters and He was here earlier. Some folks were asking and Some folks were asking where Matt Slick is so so. We'll just put Matt there. There's there's were. Here's where Matt was the whole time. We were recording here. And he was out fishing That's that's the claim claim we're gonNA stick to Actually he wasn't For folks who were here He. He had called his His daughters in the hospital she had gotten an injured and so he was taking care of her. So that's where he actually was. But we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA claim he was not actually fishing because that picture didn't look like he was actually catching any fish. He was just kind of leaning against a rock. It's more more I don't know what would you say ally was more like a Posing for something posing for photos Wallet Photo there. You go have the there you go. That's GonNa have to watch this later. Give us grief. Well we appreciate everyone. That's that's been watching checkout. We mentioned the free thinker. podcast with Tyler Villa Ally has a new podcast called revealed apologetic. So check that one out You could check out my podcast. Andrew reports rap report Also have a daily two minute one We've been the interesting things on that dealing with some logic how to apply logic to Arguments for gender issues. 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"Hey all my slick talkers. Thank you for tuning in every week. You guys are amazing. I wanna make this episode really quick. I'm going to try to explain everything here. Briefly what. You're about to hear a second part to another show that i host and as called good morning hospitality. I have to co hosts who've heard on the show before on slick talk. I'm michael golden from noise aware and mike ross from bedroom dot com we all three just loved our episodes together and felt like we should continue so we made this other show And and just really wanted to bridge that gap between vacation rentals and hotels but we talked about industry insights. We have to morning segments where we jump into the bid ruction report with michael ross who talks about startups of the week events in the industry and all sorts of crazy innovation that is going on top news and then we have. What's with all the noise. Where michael golden will jump into certain topics or articles or other discussions going on in the space of hospitality. And then of course we talk on everything together and collaborate and put our minds together really on everything going on but What you're about to hear is a second. You know half of the episode that we just did with leo walton from guard hog here guard hog on slick talk again in the future but we decide to bring them on to talk about trust and safety and how this is going to affect Going into twenty twenty one. So i'm putting it on slick talk for a reason and i want you guys to know. See other contact going on in the universe of you know pretty much everything slick talk and what i'm doing But i would just love your guys support and just going to like and subscribe. See the youtube like us on facebook. You know all that good stuff if you're not already following Slick talk in general. I put everything on all our social get daily content weekly newsletters all that good stuff. I really would appreciate any feedback and you guys. You know to go ahead and share the content. That's coming out so speaking of You know feedback. I created a slick talk audience survey. If you could briefly it takes two minutes. I think less than two minutes To answer six questions. I've put together just to kind of get more information on what i could do better or what. You guys are liking on the show. It's really important for me as i'm doing this full time for my day to day job To to really understand how to provide value to the show and to you guys as listeners now rambled on for about two and a half minutes so bear with me but it really means a lot. And i am super just yeah. I'm just super grateful. You know we've been having the holidays here and It's just it brings a lot of gratitude to be able to do this and to be able to work with amazing people in the industry that just love. Doing you know what i'm doing. And being a part of this whole contents of media that we're creating so thank you guys of for supporting this and and being a fan and subscriber and y'all just an avid believer in what we're doing here so it means a lot. You could fill out that survey. So i can get more feedback and to you know amp everything up for you. I would love it. Thank you now. Enjoy this episode. You know you're going to hear the last half so just kind of if you wanna see the beginning go ahead and just go to the links below and you guys are amazing too slick. Talk the hospitality podcast. Were we discussed all things hospitality hotels and business. You can find us online at slick. Talk the podcast dot com and on every podcast listening platform. Welcome leo how're you doing today. Hey guys i'm very well. Thanks thanks for having me on how you will good good. I i like to say congrats to leo. You just got engaged a week or two back taking the well. I mean look someone said to me you know. You picks costly the best time to do it because you know you will just been through six months of lockdown off one of the worst of all time and treatments just just meet. Hang out with the six months. So you know i think you're gonna pick right and the best ever. Yeah yeah now. It's history with the. Thanks very excited about it when thinking to do something. Small covid compliant in the spring and then probably have a big polity in eighteen months. Time where. I fully expect to see michael golding dancing on tables in the morning and then about you guys but i just think is going to be a collective rush to just party so and i don't know if it's gonna come next year or it's gonna come. The after. Who ever gets married. Yoko who has a christie or abiomed. The hoover knows right. I think that just going to be wild way long. Would use social gatherings for sure. Couldn't agree more could not agree. More than marley. Party is the biggest muscle toys today. So somebody van scientists having a drink and enjoy right and let's have this constant fear we are looking looking for this a lot. I think i think that's it is now. I mean we're we're seeing in In all sectors right you know there's a lot of pent-up up energy around coming in having trips all of his saying that hotels short term. Rentals you guys but every conversation have with someone else on zoom which is just so boring now speaking to your relatives in the evening. Sorry if any of my relatives listening but it is oh my. Why can't wait to go. I can't wait to come to come to. Your report is actually and you know. We just know going to be discussed this complete explosion and i kind of leads me on to say that you know michael knows this but well i've actually never been to the united states of america Unbelie wow okay. We gotta change that. We've gotta changed once. Everything opens up. You're welcome. I'll i will be fine. Radio yeah well. this is my way of saying. We'll michael can you. Can you guys put me up for free. You know. I'll see when you count here. Yeah no that's awesome. Well i wanted to just bring you so we're talking about like parties and the pent up like building of travel and so like obviously noise aware with the noise detection and sound monitoring Well let's just jump into what guard hog really isn't what you guys do. Because i think there's a a a good correlation there between you know noise aware and guard hogging super hog and all this stuff that you guys are doing. The vacation rental space and And how kind of plays into the partying and all that good stuff does it does sure thanks and again i have. I have the great fortune of getting. Spent a lotta time with with michael gordon because all businesses lap. Wait we see risk in the short term. Rental industry is being Out business right away go. Technology is in the risk mitigation business. How can we make sharing transactions safe for all all property management partners for a house and for all guests so the covert house policy phenomenon has shown that actually the the risk that everyone talks about the headline risky is policies. I don't say this you know. There's the risk of personal injury in homes and these properties setup for personal injury claims just on normal home insurance. So that's i think where the to come in is that there's an extreme poverty risk which is definitely some of the tax that we've built is trying to get ahead of of michael's businesses were noise. Aware is and then there is actually the liability. Which is the big which you which is the big one on those things. I think have been increased during covid times especially because people are drinking more that the club is now the abbey based now the booking dot com expedient all people all be able to go ahead on so that kind of doing hind close does and god hooked text about four years ago. My sort of romance with the short term rental industry goes back a bit further to two thousand twelve. I was paul at the team out. Build grow and sell on fines day. So i kind of knew instantly joining going home where we needed to be in terms of making sure we eating with risk but we see all principal fight because it's being a protection so that means paying out claims for damages liability Just removing risk factors in the first place so problem with people like noise and also creating our own tools which is a super hulk to make sure we can reduce the risk by basically getting old guest to go through an id verification database check before they book to make sure that not a problem guests. That's had a policy or kohls. Liberal damage will trash vacation rental place before they come and that's awesome Does god how tech is the company sits above it. that's the insurance risk management sue balkans the product the idea being that we can help property managers endara host. Get ahead of things by saying. Don't take this guests. Because they had a policy in atlanta coming through the same thing in new york so reject the booking so z. Guest is that michael golden the one atlanta to new york impossibly. Say well i. I wouldn't wanna i think i've been told to sign something so that tells stories but yeah yeah i was gonna say you're talking about him dancing on tables until two so. I figured i'd be there. That'd be the part of your quicker atlanta. So he doesn't know. Great knowledge is Our products bitten together. One another it can do the guests screening on the front side of the booking before the guests arrives. It's not a hundred percent certain you're gonna catch the person trying to throw a party or even it just gets too drunk and makes decisions that they wouldn't normally make. That's where movies were comes in. Is we're actually able to monitor the booking while the bookings your property. And if that guests doesn't comply with rules or the property manager reaching out to guests even when they know something's happening where they don't get out to the property fast enough if this argument from zero to a hundred is brought the club back with bin. That's where their insurance these comes in and they're able to cover it engaged. It might happen so it really overs the booking from start to finish the kind of talked about ready. You know we're seeing. The codes changed how people travel. So you know people making their bookings Very last minute. Which makes everybody nervous slightly different. I think for you. Michael ross bedroom but you know it. It certainly makes vacation rental people nervous when they see a last minute booking because the reason that sorta check in present so there isn't someone to like Check your bags. Take your passport on site as a business as a vacation rental business or a direct host. We're in uncharted territory. I think because the time. I've been in the industry. I don't think the guest has ever been the commodity. I think actually vacation rental managers and hosts have been desperate for properties at now that you have to look after that gas because certain this really acute situation of the last six months. You don't wanna lose that. Guess you want to take that last minute booking but you may you may be coming from a more localized source. So that's also another potential. Risk factor is that. If you you might be staying in new york but actually living on living in the and i completely made that up. An unbreakable mental manager traditionally have looked to that and gone. Hold on a minute. They're only coming or eighty miles into town. Vaccine a bit scary while traveling. Such a short amount of time is for a party so we all those things happening. You have to have technology and devices like michael's and an insurance to make sure that you know. Which are the right bookings take. And you can mitigate risks but still take bookings to to make sure you make or the us strategy. So i don't know if you have this grading kind of pros of people's okay. I know this is a good gas for for a while or whatever's x. Money times already and there was always went. Okay so can you do revenue revenue based on the profile or more on the potential risk. I'll take this line. So yes and no. I mean you're not changing the price of the booking because they've already A you might insert a customer's city. I guess you would say for example when he creating loyalty could think about low the opposite right and this is still we've repealing hotels or properties we get the other side. I'm still curious why. Properties don't few guests so when you have a specific profile whatever could be in our black from whatever even on airbnb is okay. This guest always taking care of the property etc. So you kind of a batch or level if you reaching this level you getting discount there. You're saving because you prefer that those people in your property could be also a batch for example like for example don't waste of the titles or whatever they can kind of agreeing batch because it increases the something extra few extra points of loyalty. I'm just thinking. How can he used his date. For example also just to dry specific gupta people by surprising. Whatever to your property looking at rental thing but the other hand you would say. I will do everything to leave this property like bits clean or keep it they of it because no next time i could get another property may be far better if our better price might think is great i think we we always try and encourage aw partners to put off his own as well You know to to incentivize guests that all super hog members. Because you should. you should But i think the more general point around loyalty is we as an industry of people within the industry needs to do mole. Also to feel safer with direct bookings and knowing your guest is is has been verified or is known to us or you've contacted them and you've made an effort to turn them into a repeat guest means you then can start to discount them as well because you'll moving them off platform so that for you manage that that's also another way of doing it. But yes you're quite right when it comes to sort of being able to give people the benefit of all learning than than we always encourage people to to sort of make available to people because quite right like if you've state five times and you've been the mobile guests if you haven't still towels then you deserve that money back as like leaving people taking maybe more serious. He noted some people when they go to a property or in the hotel to making a massive. I think will be cleaned anyway. And there's no difference. And maybe when they see a difference later in the packers when they getting discount because they are creating more loyalty points could be anything. Rights can be also at the hotel looking at this industry. And it's okay. I intend defy for example guests to care of it. Then use a little extra loyalty points. But how can you incent defy behavior of people during the stay i. It's it's interesting. I think it's a lot easier to tells them. It isn't rentals You if i stay at marriott. Nine times out of ten. I say in an area. I'm traveling for work. And i'm there for a night or two not making a mess. I'm not staying for long greeted. i'll have four. People packed the room by fifty fifty rental am either traveling for work or traveling with friends family and you know i'm usually on books because everyone assumes that i need to be six. I'm in the industry. I like to take out since stands. I try not to be the one that books it but depending on the group in what you're traveling for and how long air i one side of my family is terribly messy and one of these teams were arrested. Might you send people that are staying house. It aren't as as i am. And that's where it gets a lot more challenging in the rental side in outside. Now i was gonna say as like a previous hotel manager. Were so used to those. Like last minute bookings. Like like i know when i walk in and the day we have. You know twenty arrivals atkin change anytime. I will go up to like fifty you know. And so with vacation rental management like that that mindset that understanding For me like shifting into vacation rentals wasn't like be like oh we're getting a booking tomorrow like all these questions and concerns red flags that people vacation rental managers haven't been hotel side Red flags to me because at the end of the day. Like i'm used to all that so it's interesting to see how vacation rental managers are actually looking at all the stuff as in if it's within forty eight hours it's kind of concerning When in reality. I think as cove it like. We said a spent a lot of things up and we talked about flexibility in all this other stuff. I think we're gonna see that to be a very common thing like people are just going to say. You know what is going to be. There's going to become a very good like hybrid. Model like hotel style. Transactions and looking like patterns Is how i see it from being on the hotel signing vacation rental side. But i'm kind of maybe a question for for you will end ross. The booking window is compressed by many many weeks in tremendous when people are in rentals. They're winning out three or four weeks in advance sorely. Now eight ten bookings are coming within a seven day period. What has the booking pattern changed much in hotels. You guys now. Here we saw before like people were booking an average like months. I think it was two months up front saw a of people booking and now like just talk about one year ago. David was happening now. It's everything is so last. Minute is all flexible. Just cancel people just booking multiple property multiple places. It's it's changing a bit So you can behavioral change. I mentioned already. In previous episodes. You see the length of stays changing so if people travelling actually made a move somewhere else you can see. They're also want to extend their stay soon. Dairy just say displays is good. I'm staying for a few days. Actually i need enjoy it. You can see they want to stay longer and this is fine for us. We don't take in any way you can deal directly with the out with the With the property owner. That's fine but this is what you see what we can see. Disavows people i they making. Maybe i first small state to see everything good and then the next ended for a longer period is a calendar. Stay here for coming weeks. Because as you i'm settled here it's fine doing home schooling remotely using sumo teams holiday with their with their class. It's fine we can also be nice Different environment by people. Want to be somewhere else. So he still people travel. But it's just of course is the booking window. It's it's less minute for sure. And i'm even doing the same thing with vacation. Rentals you know. The girlfriend and her family wanted to go to leavenworth for the weekend. So like we're randomly just picking up last minute days and times to to go do these things so I've got yeah like hotels constant like it's never been for me. It's always been like there's always those spur of the minute trips as a traveler. You're going to see but Going into the vacation rental side too. I think like i was captured on airbnb. And we're like all right. We're gonna go for this day. And i'm seeing a lot more properties even now except like one night stays there was a lot. They're like oh do tonight minimum or whatever so now but now. Hey we'll take anything come in for the night. They're starting to let their guard down a little bit but It's been interesting to watch like both being in the industry and consumer Bastard they had a question regarding for leo in a golden lab for this pent-up like party anticipation right. Where that we're expecting i like. What are you guys expecting like predicting anything for like win. Like vaccine is open or like the government is like all right. We're we're going back to normal in the sense of not having to stay at home and be locked down. Are you guys expecting a big I guess anticipation. Or even i guess. A big amount of activity going on in the industry like are even prepared for that. That's why i'm wondering like an industry prepared for these millions of people that are locked down. And like i know people that haven't laughter for like nine months like they've been at all and maybe they've gone to the grocery store so mike. I'm curious to see so. Are we prepared. I would say customers. Leo's in ours are much better prepared than others. Yeah me saw after the first lift lockdowns over the summer like a refunder to acts of moi's events of nine ways events happening and you're over year the of was like almost fifty percent increase which is a decent chunk. But that's that's not even a full of lockdowns and that's not even with everybody's doing all so we we have started to see a little bit of a in the noise events. It really started september october Which is very slow season in almost every market. But i. I'm super curious. You have new years like this year. Bye bye new year's people are pretty much either had it or Just ready to let loose and have a good reason. Good excuse so and then once the vaccine comes out yemeni you'll see people haven't traveled in nine months typically take two or three trips a year. Who have now a lot more money in their pocket as they've been saving it just doing things that they may not have normally been doing as a just feel the needs it to let loose so bad you guys see in a lot on your end. Yeah we seminar you. Hey when when we when. We got a summer off so to speak the glorious days of july Sits sit inside places. Well we we definitely so huge jumped in bookings and then. He's jumping in attempted claims issues that we had to get involved involved in People getting carried because again. This is this thing of yes. There's the flashpoint has been party. Lockdown parties for abby but the volume hasn't been anyone so like i said earlier those people are saying look. I can't wait to be. I'm going to get group from my friends together. We have gone group holiday in three years. And we're gonna rent ibiza. Beatha on we're going to let loose because we have policy together for a couple of years he's going to come with a lot of accidents damage. it's gonna come with a of liability claims people trip over slip on in germany using properties in a way that the weren't designed to be used and i think collectively i've been beyond vacation rentals. I think we all going to see a big reaction of people. Just gonna love freedom back. We send easter being in chains. As as as people that you know we will just adapted sure. What's the what's the positive side of it. Well i always. I hear from everyone. The positive side as the. I've got my savings in order. The positive sign is. I'm always on top of my washing. Well i tell you what. I isn't going to cut it as soon as we're allowed to go out and have some fun that's not going to cut it people. I want to spend money on. I wanna catch my friends. I haven't seen properly and we all know what it's like. Now have freedom taken away from us so we you know we. We know what might happen again in two three four five years. So we're gonna make all the sunshine so yes it's gonna come doubtedly at and it's it's going to be welcomed because that means bookings so that's the thing about like i'm sending not fun place. You know like i won't bookings to happen. I just wanna make sure there is this sense of community which is what home sharing is all about is is the fact that people respect other people's homes and there's ways that you can do that by making them do. Id verification and certification and join your club. There's ways to keep them in line through annoys. Wear box just remind you of. Maybe the noise is going to be like the things we can do to make the whole thing safe and make sure that everyone's having fun in logical ways at the but again it's making sure that people realize that the hall vacation rentals is staying in another person space whether out be a managed by manager all all through entire toast to the point where they shouldn't they shouldn't be trashing it and it goes for hotels to write my. This is the same thing is that it's you want people to be respectful and so we walked out because we want a volume but which happened in safeway while i'm curious because of course one of the most things to people decide now he's a safety but also of course is like the people who stayed before you they were not like having a garden. Party darrow. They're worried in covington or they were had grown before so it may be the touched everything and cetera so this is still an initiative temperature jackson everything before he arrived indication rental property etc. It will be of course of course noise and everything can be can be measured. I'm just thinking. How are you going to for example or just check for example the aca temperature or check the people staying there are where there were saved. They didn't around. The people said before you because i think holding other people right when talking to my wife she would go somewhere even vending something she to clean everything because maybe people before and this guy they they they might be kovic so this is something awesome. Plays like okay. How can reduce this risk. Yeah i think there's two ways of doing it won. A lot of managers are already building in an extra day for their turns because extra cleaning and then another simple thing that i've heard people doing is leaving a box of lysol out in wedding guests. You'll have high touch surfaces. You don't know if you wanna make sure hundred percents in glade like a been cleaned but to to put your mind at ease will use this. Yeah just like i think. leo when we were talking prior to the this episode going live. Was you know we talk about trust and safety and i think we talked about you. Know buried entry being a little bit higher with just verify verifying. Id then of course as a like. I think of my clients like homeowner themselves the the people that own the asset right that we to us make a lotta money on You know there's a big trust side of things when it comes to you know saying we do you know verify. Our gas properly and use resources like super hog and noise wear in the property and this like we have all these certain barriers In there and then of course now like we saw in the very beginning You know a march april and may the case rentals. Not only hotels like helton did their super clean Like verification like seal on the door like whereas like you know you just now open and it's You know you're the first one to enter since housekeeping left and we're seeing vacation rentals. Do that like michael is. You're saying you're doing extra staff adding a day between bookings and then of course for your own safety and comfort as a guest to say you know. Here's lysol just in case. You really just want to have that peace of mind for yourself. Which again goes back to the same topic that we bring up all the time flexibility and comfort and safety. I think they all kind of tied together of you had a threatening those words in line. You could really connect them with just understanding that Trust safety and then of course peace of mind that they all kinda plant together with flexibility for the guest in for the client who actually owns the asset whether it's the vacation rental company or the actual homeowner completely right. Well it's a. It's making sure that you're doing enough at the business to make your host comfortable making sure you're doing enough to make guests feel comfortable on that you all taking your responsibility seriously in two thousand and nineteen. That weren't that was that was just policies and things like that now An extra element of that s. It needs to be something I know there's some good businesses in the space helping people right cleaning checklists and protocols and things of that nature i think all of that is is really really necessary because yes. It is all about if you are property manager. Especially you're the you're the point inbetween guest host so you'll trying to make both of them feel really comfortable because comfortable house. Unlock new supply and new supply opportunities. in growth areas supply position traditionally always the biggest hurdle for any growing property management company. And then i as you say making sure that guest feels comfortable. That sorta seal of okay. This is this is approved. And i know. This listing is real. I know that the host is not gonna turn up in the host is say actually. It's a container ship outside the back in the in the fright i it's all part of the same game and it builds And that's what all of his stunts about building. Authenticity and building professionals I agree awesome. Well we're getting to that that time in the episode where We wrap things up. We throw out any you know. Shameless shot up plugs of upcoming events. Or you know stuff like that. So leo i'll let you take the lead on this one and i want to show this audience. This awesome christmas version of guard dog logo. Because i think it's great but Leah we'll let you take lead. What's going on with guard coming out in you know. We're getting close to the new year and christmas and all that stuff. So i'll let you go ahead and take take microphone from their stein's well yes so i'd say we know it's been a rubbish year to to to say the least so we're we're offering ten thousand pounds which is In today's money about thirteen thousand dollars over who knows when we finally leave the european union that catastrophic catastrophic era. It might be. It might be ready thousand dollars a cereal. Well then we go ten thousand pounds full in all promotion cold boost twenty twenty so offer to property management companies to give them a hand getting back on their feet after covid so it's Basically which just looking for people to email us and tell us why they think that business is worthy of getting the boost. I think there's also some smaller packages while you get. The big prize is ten km but the small ones to we want to hear from you. We know it's been a budget and We've got a budget to to to give away a prize. So we're we're really happy to do that. And another thing that we did as well just to make things a little bit easier right up until the thirty first of march. We offer anyone who joins super hog. The first sixty days of membership is free. that's for directories. Ofra property manager My shameless books as awesome awesome. I'll let you take it away. Michael from noise aware yes. We're coming off a record black friday or noisier enrolling in Cyber monday and it's already a off to the races which is really good to see So and now is the perfect time to before new year's especially yeah alluded to earlier so Historically one of our best weekends and it certainly proven that again this year awesome and ross. Perfect well i think i always say that we are the good guys in the industry helping everybody but leo seems to be a good guy as well so i think is nice would just see just shared less. I'm already a promo code. I think it's still funded so people don't have a bitter membership and they wanna travel again and yes we also have occasion rentals and hotels. We have it all am are. Fb twenty So he can still use promo code. I think today so be quick. Allergists extended for weeks people listening a few days late and wars and murphy twenty so free membership forbid room But yeah. I think it was a nice episode. Great leo thanks for for joining and the the thing i would apply. Thank or. I can't apply you write a good enough case. I'll consider so thank you guys for You know obviously taking the time on awesome monday. Thank you for being on the show and just talking about all the things guard. Hog guys are great. Love working with you guys and yeah. We'll see you guys next week do.

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Grace Slick Part 2  Jefferson Starship, Starship and her solo works

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Grace Slick Part 2 Jefferson Starship, Starship and her solo works

"Ladies and gentlemen records retired plate spinners and millennials who want to impress their parents with their record collections. Welcome to the Rhino cast podcast brought brought to you by Rhino records get ready for new releases detracts and conversations with your favorite artists and bands and balloons for the kiddies and now your host with the most which may have and Dennis the menace on this episode of the Rhino podcast. We have part two of our conversation in with grace slick. Hey Dennis hey hey rich. What are you up to. I checking reiner dot com before we start this next podcast as I am wants to do not surprised. I haven't run through all the content yet I'm trying to. I'm trying to get to the point where I say well. That's it I've done rhino dot com but it doesn't happen so much to learn as well as you know. Drool over the Woodstock fiftieth anniversary it just happened and it's kind of apropos since Grace Slick did perform with Jefferson airplane at Woodstock but the massive thirty eight CD box set did sell out however however they're still ten CD box sets three CD sets as well as a five L. Payback set of Woodstock. There's so much good music stage banter enter. It's still available folks and speaking of Grace Slick U. And executive producer of the Rhino podcast John Hughes visited grace at her Malibu to home and had quite the conversation. We were there for a couple of hours. In this part do covers the starship her solo records her arch and as we said before a little bit of politics after all this was the lady who tried to spike the punch bowl with acid at the White House showed up with Abbie Hoffman and well. Let's get to it because I really WanNa hear the rest of this. Combo anyone uh so I kind of have to go into this in the most noncontroversial way. I'll read you just a line or two from your book. Why not be controversial. Come about two. That's more more way more fun. you called you said one band was a circus physical shopping mall so the starship hip. You've talked a lot about I understand me. You wrote that I know what I'm talking about. You had songs like run away miracles which I think are fantastic. Songs obviously still being streamed millions of streams month but it wasn't the airplane rain. It was different well a miracle in my Marty Yeah Right and he would've brought that song to airplane really L. Surena. Oh sure I'm just talking about the radio hits. There was a different approach the starship you know you did once call it. A sellout band and the thing is that that's that's an eighty. S. Yeah that's eighty starship which has but red octopus songs. Yes that's octopus. That's okay right but eighties. That's a sell out in this sense. We didn't ride to songs Diane. Warren wrote one of the songs big monster songwriter. You're Bernie Taupin wrote the other Song Peter Wolff. WHO's a producer wrote the other song what I was trying to do an eighties unfortunately fortunately and this is all my fault is I'm a big sarcastic. Dr One hundred twenty five miles an hour drunk drunk. My daughter's a wine was she sober but she was a young pour me drunk. I'm a fuck you around and I was trying trying to behave in the eighties so I would do what the producer said to do and when they brought we built this city on Rock and Roy. That's the stupidest. Damn Song I've ever heard rolling stone centers dumbest song ever written their right. Unfortunately you even people like Bernie top and write songs that gag me and he's a really good songwriter lyricist yeah. I think it's shocking with people here that he wrote that's on what and he was a stupid. He which everybody thinks we were talking about San Francisco no we've aren't we didn't write the song what's he talking about. We built this city out. There's no city built on rock and roll rock and roll to new London has been there since Roman Times Times. LA's bill on oil and oranges and Motion Pictures San Francisco Gold Rush Commerce New York. All these cities are too old to be built on rock and roll so what are you talking about. He was talking about the club's closing briefly in La Hi. What what do we care where San Francisco ban. I don't care what happens in. La What what does that have to do with anything but our producer liked it and he was right went to number one but not for US Bernie Taupin gets that money and I get to stand up on stage and act like a fool. We'll singing this stupid song and I'm sorry Bernie but it is stupid. I don't care if it went to number. One Frankie Avalon went to number one two and I don't like that either. I didn't even like Elvis Presley so I'm way off in left field for stuff It's interesting how you say you wanted to play ball. I wanted to be nice guy because I had left. We played journey. We are playing Germany and I I decided I'm just GONNA leave. Fortunately we could do that because we had two singers Amari balance on me so it. It doesn't hamper the ban. If you only have one singer then then you're screwed but you know leave in the middle of a tour. That's not cool so I'm trying to make it up by being sober which I was all during the eighties to bad I got awful should've been drugged but are sober all during the eighty s doing what I'm told and doing these stupid stupid songs and they want three of them once a number one but they're not ours Diane Warren wrote one on. Nothing's GonNa stop us now. A fifty one percent of the people get married also get a divorce re junkie about. Nothing's not a mack truck. Stop you right now in your tracks. When what do you mean. Nothing's GonNa Stop US Now. Slump we can stop you I didn't I can either songs that we were seeing but I did them because I'm trying to be a nice girl. Stop I it. Was it strange to be there without Paul. After all those years yeah just moving on yeah well I had married skip guy who's probably here in the house pro. He's coming in today from he lives in the East Coast but I was married to skip so wasn't weird is not even in a CO worker sense like you're used to seeing this guy at the office every day. Oh no not not really I can't remember Britt being where'd he was annoyed with us because he wanted to put an eleven minute song about outer space on on album in eighties. I'm sorry they're not buying the record companies do it. Nobody wants an eleven minute song. Sorry sorry so he was mad so he left the band he would say every place. We played hotel before we he got in whatever rooms we had. There'd be a copy of a bad review of something. We're doing and you do that for every town. It got bad reviews. He was mad so yeah a little dumb stuff like that and go on. I WanNa go backwards just for me because I don't want to skip over it back. Two songs like plan love pretty as you feel. How do you feel those word different because they were really close to the airplane. They had your voice but I think it was instrumentation. That was more synthesizer where how did that kind of occur. You're only pretty issue. Feel was written by Choi Covington. I think I think who was one of our drummers. It was a bridge period. I think between airplane and selling out the starship in the seventies was not necessarily sell out. That's a bridge. Period is pretty is in in the eighties whatever the producer says and he knew you know their number one songs. He wasn't a stupid super producers round medicine. He's very good and he has almost perfect pitch. If you sang slightly flat on one word half the word was flat he could say do it again and punch. You in a guy was just amazing. I don't know what he's doing now. He's amazing producer and he knew the number one songs so he's made a lot of money for songwriters. The artists don't get money for that stuff. We just have to get up and look stupid singing hanging it so this group of Solo albums which Rhino now has you know is is making available to everybody you know why Hedley for the first time but it's such a mix I went back and I listened and oh my gosh software was right of the Times. It was new wave David since sounds it fit right in with you know with with with the bands of the time I know so I will defend all the machines a song you wrote on record well. That's real though I very real I had had a physical and it's a echocardiogram echocardiogram echo all those and they all said Oh. She's okay so all the machines say on okay but it's interesting how you predicted automation mation back in Nineteen eighty-four predicted. They already had happening right. They already had it was already gone. It's just most people don't sing about their medical checkups cups. Okay it off. You can't then welcome to the wrecking ball that was sunset strip that that was like full on rock and roll welcome to the wrecking ball. I think is round. Frangipani producer and Scott Zito is the guitar player who kind of organized the song and it's hard. It's heavy metal yeah and it's it's fun to try out different stuff so I don't know who introduced me. I cannot remember who introduced me to run Frangipani or Scott. I think Ron on brought in Scott but it's fun to do different stuff and since I have a big attitude I can sing hard rock. If you want hard rock yeah I can do that the songs they weren't that good great at great album cover though I actually got on a wrecking ball. Did you really wow so. That's an actual shot yeah. I know miley Cyrus get that years later. I thought she's over. There copied me. She wasn isn't copying may she didn't know I'd done it. 'cause nobody paid attention and all of them and then there's dreams which has a lot of ballots except for Angel of the night in the middle and that was like so it's like Ballet Alabama. Oh this was like heart. This was like full on again in the middle of ballot. So how does how does things like that. They just pitch you on songs. How does that how dreams is actually fairly good so welcome. I liked it for me. It is the the the song dreams is written by a guy who was a explosives expert in Vietnam. You know you'd think what but it's a good song. It's weird and I liked it. The and there are other other songs on there and the children dance and sing Russian almost eh in the season they both sole pads the same thing and then there's fifteen minutes of the theme manhole talk about Meatloaf had nothing on you I mean that's a that's an anthem. Well it manholes kind of a drunken situation. Where do whatever you want and you don't either that or it's too much cocaine and you keep mixing it over and over again. You know thinking this is better or we got to do another one crazy stuff but but I'm surprised. Rca Let me get away with that. I use the London Philharmonic Orchestra something I mean what you know and I didn't know what I was doing. Stephen Schuster wrote some of the stuff for the London symphony for this man who but I can't remember manhole. All I can remember is is asking the janitor at night who was Spanish how to say certain things in Spanish and I'd write them down phonetically. I can't speak Spanish so I'd write it down phonetically. I'd say here's what I want to say and he'd say oh that's one of the seizure viral whatever it is and I just stewart fanatical enemy. You just escaped out to modern time didn't you. I guess yeah because we were in a helicopter and Paul was looking down on at the stage. He said it looks like getting killed down there and he's right. did you after that. Have you watched the film. GimMe shelter and just Kinda had a tingling just said wow this yeah. It's spooky and people say well. That's the end of the Hippie or whatever the end of the sixties sixties nine hundred seventy S. He's right the end of that era rhinos about the put out and you're we're going to tell me exactly how many CD's is putting out nine thousand nine hundred and sixty nine copies thirty eight CD box set of Wire Woodstock Festival. All the airplane wasn't really featured heavily in the film and now there's going to be an opportunity due to things like this coming out for people to really here the performance everything that happened but the tale is told that you spent a lot of time trying to be pretty for Woodstock. Oh God we'd been no. We've been up all night and I can't remember going to the bathroom and the problem was is what they had to do. Because of the weather because of the amount of people is we're in a hotel the bands and they would get a helicopter half an hour before you're supposed to go on pick you up. Drop you backstage. You go up. You'd play you get off. The helicopter takes you back to tell but when they picked us up as backstage. We're supposed to play at night but things got screwed up either mechanically or something. I don't know what it was and we were onstage all night so we played at dawn and if there's one thing that's weird it's rock and roll at dawn you so. I wasn't trying to look pretty. I was just trying to stand up. Sorry about those you got the we got a whole lot of orange enj and it was fine. Gael is fine. Everybody's there weren't any bathrooms terms there weren't I didn't have a mirror. I had no idea at all like no. I wasn't trying to be pretty. I was just trying to be we sing the song right. Hello so what what can we learn from things like that. People are trying to today in our society. They're trying to go back and you know what John was just saying about. The popularity of people wanting thirty eight CDs of every inch of an event that now people today hey have tried to revamp at are realizing that you can't go back. You can't really that lightning in a bottle still remains in the bottle no matter how many many times you tried to open the bottle again so what so what kind of learning do you think we we're living today. What can we learn from that as far as making our own our own own things that are just as captivating that time don't know you've got to do it. You don't have a generation. That's together as a generation and now we didn't do it on purpose and say well. Let's everybody in New York and San Francisco and La in Chicago. I'll get I mean there was one Blues Band Guys Grace Slick cancelling our way out of a paper bag so it's we weren't all get together in lined up but pro primarily for some reason our generation was of a mind of a similar mind and and the younger people now are not they have different. There are some who are really talented some who are unlike others say Alicia amazing worker and very bright and some are slobs. Some are mechanical panicle some are but they're all they don't have a single effort. I would think the single effort would be trump the hell out. Are there one way or the other not Republican. I loved my parents. They were Republican there Eisenhower Republicans. They weren't crazy. There are different for my opinion. I'm democratic socialist. I would like it if somebody like. Bernie Sanders could win younger because the guy to get in and then die in two years as good but I'm different from my parents but they weren't crazy. These people are nuts. What should we go in and try to dose trump. You think it would work. I couldn't even get there Richard Nixon. Let alone what I'm getting at. That's what I'm saying you to try once. Maybe we can. I tried and I try again. They wouldn't let me in right. They said No. You're you're on the FBI list your no you can't come in and I I was standing there with Abbie Hoffman and they didn't know it they would have let Abbie Hoffman but not me. I'm just as rock and roll singer. Yeah I'm standing naked off or whatever the matter with you but they wouldn't let me in. I said I've got an invitation. Do you want to kind side of the ever woke up one morning. I wanted to train somebody to be younger me and start a revolution again. Do you think it's possible to take today's generation and and reconstitute the level of passion and Power and Energy and affecting thing happen then you can't teach somebody to you kind of you can't teach somebody to sing either or be on a stage. You can hone whatever it is. You got and make that. Eh better like over the years. I've been painting for the last twenty years. I learned that this color if mixed with that colored produces this which she's very good with black or something like that you learn your materials what materials do or don't do. I haven't found a good good red bright. Marlboro red in acrylic yet. Maybe somebody makes one. I haven't found it so it's stuff like that that you no and there are certain songs that I couldn't possibly sing. I very limited voice. I can sing for notes fairly well. They're all low. Oh I can't sing high. I couldn't sing to my daughter when she was baby because I can't sing high but I can sing high loud so but I can't sing softly so unlimited. The instrument is limited. Thank you so much. This has just been wonderful. Oh thank you uh-huh Dennis. What was your biggest takeaway from your conversation that you and John Hughes had grace slick. I WANNA be as aware as radical as opinionated talented. She is at the age of eighty. She's a sharp as a tack. Yes she is folks if you could take a minute to write a review on the Rhino podcast wherever you listen we greatly appreciate it. Thanks very much for tuning in. Don't forget to listen and subscribe on Itunes so you don't miss the next Rhino podcast executive producer for Rhino Entertainment John News Produce for Rhino entertainment by pop colts and Richmond Promotions. All rights reserved aw.

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