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 Introducing American Jihadi

Bad Batch

12:46 min | 1 year ago

Introducing American Jihadi

"Hey bad batch listeners. I WanNa let you know about a new podcast. Series called American Jihadi over eight episodes journalists Kristof puzzle tells the story of the complicated relationship he developed with American born she haughty Omar Hamami the FBI. Put Hamami on. Its most wanted terrorist terrorist list. Because of the years he spent fighting for Al Shabaab in his logic militant group in Somalia Amami ended up on the run hiding out from the very group he he helped put on the map then he reached out to Christopher in secret to see of Kristoff could help save his life. American Jihadi follows Kristof attempts to understand understand. How and why? A suburban kid from Daphne Alabama would transform himself into the face of terrorist group. Let him down one of the strangest this roads of his career as a journalist and pushed him to cross lines he never thought he would cross up next the first episode of American Jihadi. While while you're listening go subscribe to American Jihadi on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you're listening now there's also a link in the episode notes that will take you there. In the fall of two thousand seven. A video was broadcast on the Al Jazeera News Network. A thin man in his early twenty s sits on the ground in field somewhere in the east African country of Somalia. He's wearing camouflage. And there's a hand grenade strapped to his left front pocket. Fight those help both. He's looking directly into the camera. But his face is wrapped in a green scarf so that only his eyes and a flash of white skin showing America take into consideration the example of Somalia the man is the mouthpiece for new Islamic militant group in Somalia called Al Shabaab which means the youth in Arabic after fifteen fifteen years of chaos and oppressive rule by the American backed warlords. Your brothers stood up in order to establish peace and justice in this land. The camera cuts to dozens. Thousands of African fighters AK forty sevens and grenade launchers. Lombi video doesn't make clear is why they're spokesman appears to be a white American. The story quickly circulated online and even though the American had been careful not to reveal his identity and the small southern town of Daphne Alabama Emma they knew exactly was I came home from work one day in Varney. He was his wife as she'd what is always like mom. We need to watch this the minute we heard the boys when you did it was Mr now it all makes sense. He's over there fight he. He's not coming back. And Jason. Kao My God what is going on when it's going on the man in the video was Omar Hamami. He he would become one of the. FBI's most wanted terrorists. I would spend years chasing his story. Attract his life from Alabama where he attended a southern Baptist Church and his high school class president to frontlines of a guerrilla war in Africa. And then I heard from Omar himself over time the relationship that developed between between us would blur the lines between journalism and friendship and wreck the tidy story. I told myself about the boundary between good and evil. I'm Christopher puzzle. This is American Jihadi episode. One the Matrix I I became aware of Omar Hamami in two two thousand nine when he showed up in a propaganda video. That was put out by Al Shabaab in this video. There's no scarf hiding his face. He looks like a Skinny Che. Guevara let us. His Brown hair is long and much of his face is covered by a young man's first beard sincerity points. Omar speaks directly to the cameras. He's recruiting foreigners like himself to come join al-shabaab. Encourage more of your children in more of your your neighbors. Anyone around to send people like him to this would be a great asset leader. He appears to lead Al Shabaab fighters in setting an ambush in camping. Omar looks white and his accent is so clearly American ages and yet there he is sitting in Somalia with an AK47 surrounded by east African fighters hanging on his every word that the numbers. They're close to a thousand thousands. More try to me. They vehicles as we can and kill as many of cannon take care too much so his face cracks into smile as if he feels self conscious saying these things on camera picture cuts away to a shot of the Bush now the enemy approaches in the. US more story was quickly picked up by the media. Omar Hamami the US citizen born and bred in the American and south who is now a leader of terrorist organization affiliated with Al Qaeda. It's fighting in Somalia. What did you learn about this guy? Twenty five years old American. He's known jihadist circles as Abu Key or the American and I found his story fascinating. HOMER had grown up in a small town in Alabama Alabama going to a southern Baptist Church until midway through high school his life had been almost a cliche of American normalcy. He played soccer little league baseball. Even took the prettiest girl in school to homecoming. And then somehow he'd found his way to Somalia where he joined up with Al Shabaab Group designated a terrorist organization by the State Department's mets. He believes that the word of Dada I'd actually reported from Somalia in two thousand six just a few months before Omar had arrived there at the time I was a TV correspondent for Program called Vanguard on current TV. We were sort of vice news before vice news existed. We try to report on stories that we thought the rest of the media was missing. We interviewed cartel hitmen. Russian skinheads folks like that. I wanted to do a story about Omar. By the time has video started attracting attention the situation Kamalia had gotten worse wolf and six and a half thousand people have been killed in fighting in Somalia in the last twelve months. al-shabaab was in a running gun battle with Ethiopian and African Union troops groups American drones fired missiles at suspected terrorists and suicide bombers. We're beginning to target. The city's just too chaotic and dangerous for me to go back. Security officials implicate al-shabaab in the assassination of aid workers armed in a string of bomb attacks in Mogadishu still. I knew I wanted to figure out a way to tell Omar story a young American who had traded his middle class life for life of struggle and one of the most dangerous parts of the world. A Guy with something to prove chasing his ideals. There was enough of me in there to make me really want to understand the choices. He'd made him. I know where to reach Omar by knew that his family was still living in Alabama. So got on a plane I landed mobile and drove a half. Hour East Daphne. A small suburb mobile bay. That calls itself the Jubilee City. The streets are lined with massive. Live oaks the kind film directors put movies so that you'll think old south south. I found Omar's parents place. At the end of a cul de sac. Curtains were drawn tight but on the mailbox said in large white letters schiff economy and I got a quick glimpse of Omar's father Shafique when he looked at me through the window of his front door his glasses and a dark salt and pepper beard. I said that that I was a reporter. He told me to go away and he couldn't talk to me before flying down. I'd also reached out to Omar Sister Dean on facebook back at my rental car. I check my phone to see if she didn't back nothing on the highway fast and Applebee's in K. Mart. I pulled into the hooters because I figured maybe someone there went to high school with Omar. The bartender told me that while he didn't know Omar well in high school. He did just run into his best friend Bernie at Walmart the bartender even the street he lived on. I'm Bernie Street. There were names on all the mailboxes except for one. I asked him kids playing playing street hockey if they knew who lived in that house. You mean the Jews. One of the mast- Jews. Yeah the ones with the Star Wars outfits do you. You mean Muslims. Yeah them kid shrug. Whatever Bernie wasn't home later that night we managed to connect and he invited me over to dinner with his family? I lived with his mother. His wife and two kids dinner Thank you over. Servers Bernie was tall and slender with blonde hair and a beard. He and his family practicing Muslims Omar converted to Islam during his sophomore year and soon after inspired Bernie to convert as well. It's kind of hard for you to like envision the guys terrorists you know if you like lived with the Guy Alien. You're really good friends with the guy for so many years. You just when you see him. You don't see like the terrorist go. Hey this is my friend that I haven't seen it a couple of years but a Bernie's mother. Sharon had converted to Islam two when I met her. Her head was covered with black job added with tiny flowers for Sharon. Omar wasn't a terrorist. He was the person who started her on the path to. You're putting your life back together. She told me that before she became Muslim. She hadn't been the greatest weather to Bernie he saw me drove Kalat. which is very painful? You know had a lot of shame at felt. He didn't have a lot of guidance. He didn't have a lot of supervision. And I needed a moment I wasn't here was Mr. Sharon hadn't even harder order time than Bernie understanding how the machine Daphne became one of the. FBI's most wanted terrorists. He's the boy who helped me learn to coffee and I just can't wrap my head around thinking that he would be a part of hurting. It is a people I just I just can't I can't fathom that Bernie and I I watched the video. Omar the ambush as they entered into our ambush opening up with small ars fire. He's the guy that everybody uses omen SORTA Reiki. But I notice man Omar Jimenez Gateway Kinda like grew rope with in highschool is a kind of a normal dude. I mean kind of like a job. You'll really charismatic. Cool Guy Main. Main objective is to die as a martyr so the fact that we got to Martyrs is nothing more than other training of it. So if you mute the video and don't read the subtitles tails and just kind of like watching a little. Just like a seems like your old friend just with different very close on over the course of the next four months I spent a lot of time with Bernie. We went to their high school and the Walmart where they both worked. We even flew to Toronto to see where he and Omar had lived for about a year before moving on to Egypt Egypt. Egypt is where they separated Bernie coming back to the US Omar disappearing eventually turning up in Somalia. The in the long piece about Omar made for current TV. I try to paint a more complicated picture of him than just the American born terrorist. But I was never totally satisfied. So I was able to follow Omar's path from Alabama to candidate to Egypt and then to Somalia and Al Shabaab. I couldn't really get my head around though was why he it shows that path to answer that question or any of the others I still had. I would have needed to get to Omar somehow but not even. US intelligence seemed to be able to find them and it would take another two years to get my answer as it turned out. I had it backwards. I didn't need to find Omar. It was Omar. Who needed to find me? That was just a preview of American Jihadi to hear the rest subscribe. DESCRIBE TO AMERICAN JIHADI ON APPLE PODCASTS or using the link in the episode notes.

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Introducing AMERICAN JIHADI

The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

12:36 min | 1 year ago

Introducing AMERICAN JIHADI

"Hi I'm Danielle Robea. I want to let you know about a new podcast. Series called American Jihadi over eight episodes journalists Kristof puzzle tells the story of the complicated relationship he developed with American born Jihadi Omar Hamami the FBI. Put a mommy on. Its most wanted terrorist list. Because of the years he spent fighting for Al Shabaab an Islamic militant group in Somalia Amami ended up on the run hiding out from the very group. He helped put on the map then he reached out to Kristof in secret to see if Kristof could help save his life. American Jihadi follows Christopher attempts to understand how. And why a suburban kid from Daphne Alabama. We transform himself into to the face of a terrorist group. It let him down one of the strangest roads of his career as a journalist and pushed him to cross lines he never thought he would cross up next the first I episode of American Jihadi. While you're listening go subscribe to American Jihadi on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you're listening now there's also a link in the episode notes that will take you there. In the fall of two thousand seven. A video was broadcast on the Al Jazeera News Network. A thin man in his early twenty s sits on the ground field somewhere in the east African country of Somalia he's wearing camouflage and there's a hand grenades strapped to his left front pocket help both. He's looking directly into the camera. But his face is wrapped in a green scarf so that only his eyes and a flash of white skin or showing America take into consideration arisen the example of Somalia man is the mouthpiece for new Islamic militant group in Somalia called Al Shabaab which means the youth in Arabic after fifteen years years of chaos and oppressive rule by the American backed warlords. Your brothers stood up in order to establish peace and justice in this land. The camera cuts to dozens of African fighters. AK Forty Sevens and grenade launchers. Video doesn't make clear is why they're spokesman appears there's to be a white American. The story quickly circulated online and even though the American had been careful not to reveal his identity and the small southern town of Daphne Alabama they knew exactly who he was. I came home from work one day in Verney wide as she'd what is always like mom you need and watch this the minute we heard the boys when you did it was now. It all makes sense. He's over there fight. He's not coming back and we saw allow my God. What is going on when it's going on the man? In the video was Omar Hamami. He would become become one of the. FBI's most wanted terrorists. I would spend years chasing his story. Attract his life from Alabama where he attended a southern Baptist Church and his high school class president to the frontlines of guerrilla war in Africa. And then I heard from Omar himself over time the relationship that developed between us awesome would blur the lines between journalism and friendship and wreck the tidy story. I told myself about the boundary between good and evil. I'm Christoph Puzzle. This is American. Jihadi episode sued one the Matrix I. I became aware of Omar Hamami in two thousand nine when he showed up in a propaganda video. That was put out by Al Shabaab in this video. There's no scarf hiding his face. He looks like a Skinny Che Guevara. His Brown hair is long and much of his face is covered by a young man's first beard thirty points. Omar speaks directly to the cameras. He's recruiting foreigners like himself to come join Al Shabaab encourage more of your children and more of your your neighbors. Anyone around to send people like him to this would be asset leader. He appears here's to lead Al Shabaab fighters in setting an ambush in to come camping. Omar White and his accent is so clearly American and yet there. He is sitting in Somalia with an AK47 surrounded by east African fighters hanging on his every word that the numbers they're close two thousand and among try to blow up his me vehicles as we can and kill as many of the can take care of his face cracks into a smile now as if he feels self conscious saying these things on camera picture cuts away to a shot of the Bush on the enemy approaches. I can in the. US Omar story was quickly picked up by Media Omar Hamami the US citizen born and bred in the American south south who is now a leader of a terrorist organization affiliated with Al Qaeda fighting in Somalia. Catherine what did you learn about this guy. Twenty five years old American on Jihadist circles as Abu Key or the American and I found his story fascinating. HOMER had grown up in a small town in Alabama. I'm going to a southern Baptist Church until midway through high school. His life had been almost a cliche of American normalcy. He plays Soccer Little League Baseball. Even took the prettiest. Yes girl in school to homecoming. And then somehow he'd found his way to Somalia where he joined up with Al Shabaab Group designated a terrorist organization by the State Department. He believes that the reward of Dada at actually reported from Somalia in two thousand six just a few months before Omar had arrived there at the time I was a TV correspondent for a program called Vanguard on current TV. We were sort of vice news before vice news existed. We try to report on stories that we thought the rest of the media was missing. We interviewed cartel hitmen. Russian skinheads folks like that. I wanted to do a story about Omar who by the time video started attracting attention. The situation in Somalia Malia had gotten worse than six and a half thousand people have been killed in fighting in Somalia in the last twelve months. Al Shabaab was a running gun battle with Ethiopian and African Union troops American drones fired missiles at suspected terrorists and suicide bombers were beginning to target cities who is just too chaotic and dangerous for me to go back. Security officials implicate al-shabaab in the assassination of aid workers and in a string of bomb attacks in Mogadishu still. I knew I wanted to figure out a way to tell Omar story a young American who had traded in his middle class life for life of struggle and one of the most dangerous parts of the world a guy with something to prove chasing his ideals. There was enough of me in there to make really want understand the choices he'd made all the way to reach. Omar by new family was still living in Alabama. So I got on a plane I landed mobile drove a half hour. East Daphne a small suburb. On Mobile Bay calls itself the Jubilee City. The streets are lined with massive. Live oaks the kind film directors put movies so that you'll think old south I found Omar's parents place at the end of a call to sack. The curtains were drawn tight but on the mailbox it said in large white letters schiff economy and I got a quick glimpse of Omar's father Shafique when he looked at me through the window of his front door. He had glasses and dark salt and pepper beard. I said that I was a reporter. He told me to go away. He couldn't talk to me before flying down. I'd also reached out to our sister Dean on facebook back on my rental. Oh car I check my phone to see if she'd written back nothing on the highway fast and Applebee's in K. Mart. I pulled pulled into the hooters. Because I figured maybe someone there went to high school with Omar. The bartender told me that while he didn't know Omar well in high school. He did just run into his best friend Bernie at Walmart. The bartender even knew the street he lived on Bernie Street. There were names on all the mailboxes except for one. I asked him kids playing street street hockey if they knew who lived in that house. You mean the Jews one of the mast- Jews. Yeah the ones with the Star Wars outfits. Do you mean Muslims. Yeah them kid shrug. Whatever Bernie wasn't home? Later that night we managed to connect and he invited me over to dinner with his family. Lose his mother his wife and two kids dinner Become thank you. Servers Bernie was tall and slender with blonde hair and a beard. He and his family are practicing. Muslims Omar converted to Islam during his sophomore year and soon after inspired Bernie to convert as. Well it's kind of hard for you to like envision. The guy's a terrorist. You know if you like lived with the guy and mule really good friends with the guy for so many years you just when you see them. You don't see like the terrier show I go. Hey this my friend that I haven't seen it a couple years Bernie's mother Sharon had converted to Islam too. Yeah I think when I met her her head was covered with black job added with tiny flowers for Sharon. Omar wasn't a terrorist. He was the person who started her on the path to putting her life back together. She told me that before she became Muslim. She hadn't been the greatest mother to Barney. He saw me drove a lot which is very repenting full. You know had a lot of shame felt that he didn't have a lot of guidance. He didn't have a lot of supervision. And you needed a moment. I wasn't here was Mar Sharon hadn't even harder time Bernie understanding how the Marshon Daphne became one of the FBI's most wanted terrorists. He's the boy who helped me learn to coffee. And that's just can't wrap my head around thinking that he would be a part of hurting innocent the people I just I just can't I can't fathom that Bernie and I watched the video. The ambush as they entered into ambush opening up with small arms fire black. He's the guy that everybody knows is in Ricky I noticed a Omar Jimenez Gateway. You know Kinda like grew up with in high school is a kind of a normal dude kind of like a job. You'll really charismatic. Cool guy main objective right and so the fact that we got to Martyrs is nothing more than if you music video and don't read the subtitles thousand. Just kind of like watching a little bit just like seems like your old friend just the different period close on over the course of the next four months I spent a lot of time with Bernie. We went to their high school and the Walmart where they both worked. We even flew to Toronto to see where he and Omar had lived for about a year before moving down to Egypt. Egypt is where they separated Bernie coming back to the US Omar disappearing eventually turning up in Malaya the long piece about Omar made for current TV. I try to paint a more complicated picture of him than just the American born terrorist but I was never totally satisfied. I was able to follow Omar's path from Alabama to candidate to Egypt and then to Somalia and Al Shabaab. I couldn't really get my head around though was why hit chosen the path to answer that question or any of the others. I still had. I would've needed to get to Omar somehow but not even. US intelligence seemed to be able to find them It would take another two years to get my answer as it turned out. I had it backwards. I didn't need to find Omar. It was Omar needed to find me a that was just a preview of American. She haughty to hear the rest. I subscribe to American Jihadi on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts.

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The Matrix

American Jihadi

29:18 min | 1 year ago

The Matrix

"How do you take down a criminal network? That's hidden in the shadows. How do you rescue child abuse victims? Who could be anywhere in the world hunting warhead and new investigative eight of series from? CBC podcasts Norwegian newspaper VG follows journalists and police on global mission to expose the darkest corners of the Internet and what they discover shocks shocks them. Listen to hunting warhead at CBC DOT CA slash hunting warhead. Or wherever you get American Jihadi. Hey guys this is Sammy. Alison managing producer of American Jihadi. If you're liking this podcast I'd like to talk to you about another one. You might enjoy Epstein Devil in the darkness Ah Shocking Investigative Series that reveals for the first time the full story behind the life and death of Jeffrey Epstein. The man who had allegedly abused hundreds of underage each girls while entertaining some of the world's most powerful men. The season finale is live now so listen and bench. The whole story was shocking interviews and expert insights. Listen into the entire season free. Right now apple podcasts. spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. In the fall of two two thousand seven a video was broadcast on the Al Jazeera News. Network a thin man in his early twenty s sits on the ground in a field somewhere in the east African country of Somalia Himalaya. He's wearing camouflage. And there's a hand grenades strapped to his left front pocket fight. He's looking directly into the camera but his face is wrapped in a green scarf so so that only his eyes and a flash of white skin showing America take into consideration the example of Somalia. The man is the mouthpiece for new Islamic militant group in Somalia called Al Shabaab which means the youth in Arabic after fifteen years of chaos and oppressive rule by the American backed warlords. Your brothers stood up in order to establish peace and justice in this land. The camera cuts dozens of African fighters. AK Forty Sevens and grenade launchers. The video doesn't make clear is why they're spokesman appears to be a white American. The story quickly circulated online. And even you know the American had been careful not to reveal identity and the small southern town of Daphne Alabama. They knew exactly who he was. I came home from work. One day in Varney. He was white as she'd what is it always like mom. You need to watch this the minute we heard the boys we need that it was Sanmar. Now it all makes sense. He's over there fight. He's not coming back and we thought. Oh my God what is going on going on on the man in the video was Omar Hamami he would become one of the. FBI's most wanted terrorists. I would spend years chasing his story. Attract his life Mala Bama where he attended a southern Baptist Church and been his high school class president to the frontlines of a guerrilla war in Africa. And then I heard from Omar himself over time the relationship that developed between us would blur the lines between journalism and friendship and wreck the tidy. Heidi story I told myself about the boundary between good and evil I'm Christopher puzzle. This is American Jihadi episode one. The Matrix I became aware of our mommy in two thousand nine when he showed up a propaganda video. That was put out by Al Shabaab in this video. There's no scarf hiding his face. He looks like a Skinny Che Guevara. His Brown hair is long and much of his face is covered by a young man's first beard insincerity points. Omar speaks directly to the cameras. He's recruiting foreigners like himself to come join Shabaab. Encourage more of your children and more of your your neighbors anyone corner and to send people like him to this would be a great asset leader. He appears to lead Al Shabaab fighters in setting an ambush camping. Omar looks white and his accent is so clearly American you do and yet he is sitting in Somalia with an AK47 surrounded by east African can fighters hanging on his every word that the numbers. They're close two thousand more. I try to his me vehicles as we can and kill as many. You can take care too much so his face cracks into a smile as if he feels self conscious saying these things on camera. The picture cuts away to a shot of the Bush allowed the enemy approaches in the US more story was quickly picked adept media Omar Hamami the US citizen born and bred in the American south. Who is now a leader of a terrorist organization affiliated with Al Qaeda? It's fighting in Somalia. Catherine what have you learned about this guy. Twenty five years old American known Jihadists Turco's as key or the American American and I found his story fascinating. Omar had grown up in a small town in Alabama going to a southern Baptist Church until midway through high school his life had been almost just a cliche of American normalcy. He played soccer little league baseball. Even took the prettiest girl in school to homecoming. And then somehow he'd found his way to Somalia Aulia where he joined up with Al Shabaab Group designated a terrorist organization by the State Department's. He believes that word of data at actually reported from Somalia in two thousand six just a few months before Omar had arrived there at the time I was a TV correspondent for a program called Vanguard on current TV. We were sort of Vice News. Used before vice news existed. We try to report on stories that we thought the rest of the media was missing. We interviewed cartel hitmen. Russian skinheads folks like that. I wanted to do a story about Omar by the time has video started attracting attention. The situation in Somalia had gotten worse than six and a half thousand people have been killed in fighting in Somalia in the last twelve months. Shebab was in a running gun battle with Ethiopian and African Union troops American drones fired missiles at suspected terrorists and suicide bombers. We're beginning to target. The city's just too chaotic and dangerous for me to go back. Security officials implicate Al Shabaab in the assassination of aid workers. `and in a string of bomb attacks talks in Mogadishu. Still I knew I wanted to figure out a way to tell Omar story a young American who had traded his middle class life for life of struggle and one of the the most dangerous parts of the world a guy with something to prove chasing his ideals. Were there was enough of me in there to make me really want to understand the choices he'd made and I know where to reach Omar. I knew that his family was still living in Alabama. So I got on a plane I landed mobile and drove a half hour east daffy a small suburb mobile bay. That calls itself the jubilees city. The streets are lined with massive. Live oaks the kind film directors put movies so that you'll think old south. I found Mars parents place at the end of a cul de sac. The curtains curtains were drawn tight but on the mailbox it said in large white letters schiff economy. I got a quick glimpse of Omar's father Shafique when he looked at me through the window of his front door his glasses and a dark salt and pepper beard. I said that I was a reporter. He told me to go away and he couldn't talk to me before flying down. I'd also reached out to Omar Sister Dean on facebook back in my rental car. I check my phone to see if she didn't back nothing on the highway. Fast and Applebee's and a k mart. I pulled into the hooters because I figured maybe someone there went to high school with Omar. The bartender told me that while he didn't know are well in high school. He did just run into his best friend Bernie at Walmart. The bartender even knew the street he lived on. I'm Bernie Street. There were names on all the mailboxes except for one. I asked him kids playing street hockey if they knew who lived in that house. You mean the Jews. One of the mast- Jews. Yeah the ones with the Star Wars outfits. Do you mean Muslims. Yeah them kid shrug. Whatever Bernie wasn't home? Later that night we managed to connect and he invited me over to dinner with his family only lived with his mother his wife and two kids who've been Thank you cover. Version Bernie was tall and slender with blonde hair. Earn a beard. He and his family are practicing. Muslims Omar converted to Islam during his sophomore year and soon after inspired Bernie to convert as. Well it's Kinda hard for you to like envision the guys terrorists you know if you like lived with the guy and you're like good friends with the guy for so many years you just when you see them. You don't see like the terrier go. Hey this my friend that I haven't seen it a couple years Bernie's mother Sharon had converted to Islam too. When I met her her head was covered with a black job added with tiny flowers? Eh for Sharon. Omar wasn't a terrorist. He was the person who started her on the path to putting her life back together. She told me that before she became Muslim. She hadn't been the greatest smothered Bernie. He saw me drove a lot which is very painful shame. I felt that he didn't have a lot of guidance. He didn't have a lot of supervision and he needed a moment. I wasn't here and there was Mr Mhm. Sharon hadn't even harder time than Bernie understanding. How the machine? Daphne became one of the. FBI's most most wanted terrorists. He's the boy who helped me learn to read. And that's just can't wrap my head around and thinking that he would be a part of hurting is the people I just I just can't I can't fathom that Bernie and I watched the video Omar. The ambush as they entered into. You are ambush opening up with small arms fire. He's the guy that everybody uses women sort of Reiki but I know the Omar Jimenez Gateway Kinda like grew up with in high. School is a kind of a normal dude. You mean kind of like a job. You'll really charismatic. Cool guy named objective is to die smarter so the fact that we got to Martyrs is nothing nothing more than other tearing of itself if you mute the video and don't read subtitles and just kind of like watching movies just like seems like your old friend friendship with a different very close on over the course of the next four months I spent a lot of time with Bernie. We went to high school and the Walmart. Where were they both worked? We even flew to Toronto to see where he and Omar had lived for about a year before moving on to Egypt. Egypt is where they separated Bernie coming back to the US Omar Omar disappearing eventually turning up in Somalia and the long piece about Omar made for current TV. I try to paint a more complicated picture. Sure of him than just the American born terrorist but I was never totally satisfied. I was able to follow Omar's path from Alabama to Canada to Egypt and then to Somalia. Oh Yeah and al-shabaab I couldn't really get my head around though was why hit chosen that path to answer that question or any of the others I still had. I would have needed to get to Omar somehow but not even. US intelligence seemed to be able to find them. It would take another two years for me to get my answer As it turned out I had backwards. I didn't need to find Omar. 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In March of two thousand wasn't twelve. It had been two years since my piece on Omar Hamami had erred. In the meantime my network current TV I decided to stop making documentary features and laid off almost everyone who worked on my show now instead of getting on a plane to go off to a war zone I was supposed to be finding an angle for a story about the upcoming presidential election. Eighty dollars but then at the deal popped up on Youtube Shit Adl said but again it was Omar Hamami. This video was not al-shabaab propaganda. It was titled. An urgent message was fun sitting on the floor alone in front of a black flag with White Arctic script. He looks thin and scared. Remember and they reach on the westbound I recorded in my life may be endangered. The rest of it is an Arabic but the video is a cry for help. Omar Hamami the poster boy for jihad is saying that he thinks his life might endanger. He's worried that people are trying to kill him. And that those people are fellow fighters and Al Shabaab. The story only got stranger from their rumors started floating around online. Domer- had been killed Omar Mother. Deborah even called me for years. His parents refused to speak with me but now she wanted to know if I had any hard information about her son I didn't I spent days combing online. Jihadi forums trying to make heads or tails tales of what actually was going on and then I got an email. I admire your work. That's my producer Brent Renault reading email. I have a copy of an autobiography written by Omar. Hamami should I send it to you. Whoever wrote it didn't sign the email and honestly journalists get a lot of weird emails? I didn't think a whole lot of it but I wrote back and told him to go ahead. And Send Me Autobiography. I asked if it was Dammar. Omar who wrote. Oh good the next morning I got an answer. It was definitely written by him. It's an auto biography. I stared at my phone trying to make sense of what I was reading. Either somebody was messing with me or they had somehow gotten their hands on a book. Omar had actually written or the person emailing me was Omar Hamami back from the dead. I called back Omar's mother Deborah I asked her for details tells about Omar's childhood things only he would know. I didn't tell her why I was asking. She didn't cry. I then asked. Whoever was writing me the emails for Omar Sisters Mental Name Name? Dina's Middle Name is looked via. I asked for the names of his family. Pets growing up. Willie Polo freckles goals. Hobie and Haley. Every answer was right. Omar was alive and even though the person writing the kept insisting assisting that he was just Omar spokesman I was almost positive it was actually Omar himself. I send another email okay. You're the real deal. Wow I was just talking talking to Debra yesterday. She misses Omar with all her heart. Omar says you look like Dina's husband and thinks you're promptly a cool guy. That's why I decided to contact contact you. You'll really break my heart. If you're some kind of closet neo-con over the course of several days and dozens of emails are mostly refused to answer my questions. Well the first first thing you should know is that this conversation is one hundred percent watched by the whole alphabet he meant the CIA the FBI the NSA. I downloaded tour. Oren started using a VPN to block my ip address. But I knew that I had already left a huge digital trail. The second thing is Omar doesn't have any people on the ground anymore. The situation is best described as a power struggle where Omar is caught in the middle clan. Lewis misunderstood and yet still adamant about his opinions. It was the same story he had hinted out in the mysterious video he posted a youtube. It appeared he was endanger because of some disagreement he'd had with the rest of al-shabaab by the way when you get in trouble for having contact with terrorists. It was bizarre to be trading emails. With Omar one moment he would tell me about how his life was endanger. The the next to be complaining about how hard it was to find free books online Amazon is sucking. Everyone's lifeblood and I don't know where in the world I'd find a kindle fire or he'd asked me personal questions you know Mars deceased dog's name. He should probably get to know at least something about you as well. I told him that I lived in in. La With my wife Julie who is a humanitarian aid worker but she was the love of my life but we rarely saw each other. I get the feeling you guys. The nonviolent peace love harmony type. I hope you enjoy grow old fat in toothless together however friendly market be. He got impatient. If I didn't reply immediately really it's helpful when you give me a heads up about when you're next reply will come when you don't. I sometimes sit for like an hour. Staring at the screen L. O. L. Silence silence is not the expected result of such staring. It's all good though. I'll be dozing off in about two hours. toodle toodle I. I tried to convince Omar to let me come to Somalia to interview them on camera. He wasn't buying that plan the only thing that could come view trying to link up with Omar is getting auctioned off by the Shebab and Omar might not come out of that situation too well himself at least for now if we're lives through the next a few months which has a lot to do with getting this bio out. Things could become more flexible again. In the meantime Omar wanted something from me presently. Salihi Omar is dead to the world and has no voice if people see Omar as the good guy in the victim and they know that he's still alive it means having him disappear here after that becomes that much harder. Omar's plan as far as I could make it was for me to be a kind of megaphone. Could shout through to keep himself from being killed. You look at it this way. It'll help your career and for Omar it might save his head. I didn't WanNa be Omar's megaphone and I didn't really understand how the release of his autobiography could save his life but at the same time I didn't WanNa miss the story. He awaits your input. And like I said there's as little time so the sooner the better eventually we settled on a compromise. He would send me the autobiography he'd offered with me but he would also answer a long list of questions I had for him except Omar was done with having our conversation over g mail like I said if it gets in the wrong hands it could be Omar's ars death especially now without encryption. Omar wanted us to go dark from a hotel room. Where I'm staying in New York? I begin in trying to follow his instructions for how to download al-Qaeda's secret encryption program. So what's going on here man Invite a friend of mine. WHO's a TV? He produced a record. What happens the only camera I have with me as an IPAD? My friend starts to shoot. Who are you chatting with No I On the shaky video is a much younger version of myself. Sitting at a desk in a room at a downtown hotel next to me is a half empty bottle of red wine. I have cheech opened on one laptop where I'm talking to Omar. He's insisting that around the encryption program a different laptop that's never been hooked up to the Internet you look exhausted and confused Amar's reached out to me Or somebody claiming to be representing Omar and and my heart is pounding rain. Basically going feel like the police or the FBI will kick down the door at any moment descending here as Omar or claiming to be Omar are is writing and trying to describe to me how to do encryption on my computer and going on and on and on and on and on do you think it's really him. Yeah definitely makes you say that. I've asked him all kinds of questions that he does. He does reference that my documentary at most of right right. No kidding he saw your doc doc guys a fam- that's scary. How did he see you? Guys clearly got access. Do you feel conflicted as an American now. mm-hmm because my job is to look at the world is good versus evil. Look at motivation and I believe that this is what I wanNA know. L. Never trying to find out with him is what went what went wrong. How did you end up in a situation where smart kid and I still believe incredibly smart and you go? Do you really believe all this stuff. Because part of me I think he does. I don't know what's going on. That's what I need to find out but before you can do that. You've got to jump through some technical hurdles. I've got to basically try to get off the grid as much as possible and block. I pee addresses start using encrypted code start storing things on flash drives. He's been a good teacher. So far I'll be plugged into the The underground network in no time. It takes all night but suddenly my computer screen goes black. The answer what I got myself into a green door appears on the screen the logo AK47 with a key on an English it says Mujahedeen secrets. I type in a code code. The key is giving me. The screen is flooded with lines of Arabic script. I know what I want from waiting waited for this guy for so long I finally got it. I'm like fun and then I'm in. Omar greets me with a reference for the Matrix. Well Mr Anderson Smith is waiting. How does it feel to be chatting with one of the world's most wanted men oh it's totally surreal? But at the same time I feel like I'm talking to a friend of mine that's the weirdest feeling about it. The American Jihadi is produced by endeavor audio and to to to productions it's hosted and executive produced by me Kristof puzzle of Pindar media our producer. Julia Tarot Zach Hirsch with help from policy cut him. Osu and Ashley Click. Our senior producer is Brenton Renault. Our editor is Keith. Romer are managing producer Samantha Alison. This episode was mixed by Hannah's ground with sound design by Hannah's Brown Zach Hirsch Business Affairs Shoshana Jakov Doc. Above fact checking by Laura Boden executive producers include. Adam Levine Josh Gomersall and Adam Harrison of two productions Dave Eastern of Endeavor Audio and Jonathan in Hirsch of neon Halloween special. Thanks to Erin Kelly and everyone else commander show possible. If you're liking Americans Jihadi you should check out a new podcast from recode called reset. It's hosted by Ariel dozen Ross former science reporter for the verge and the first climate change correspondent on American nightly news. Reese explores the unexpected ways. Technology is changing humanity humanity from authors using ai to write to bio hackers altering their own DNA. These days every story is a tech story and reset explores why the first episode sodas out now subscribe to reset for free on apple. PODCASTS stitcher or your favorite podcast APP.

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