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Have the Academy Awards Changed for Good? A Post-'Parasite' Oscars Mailbag | The Big Picture

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Have the Academy Awards Changed for Good? A Post-'Parasite' Oscars Mailbag | The Big Picture

"I'm Shawn Fantasy and this is the big picture. A conversation show about the wreckage. Kids left behind in the wake of the Ninety Second Academy Awards Manda we are diving deep into the mailbag today. How are you feeling good? Yeah are you excited to talk about Life Post Oscar. Yes yes okay such buoyancy. I appreciate that after our chat about mailbag questions. I'll have a conversation with the brilliant Salinas. Yama who you may have seen in some of the after parties of the big parasite win on Sunday night. She is the writer director behind portrait of a lady on fire a film that is without question one of the very best S. movies that's been released so far. This year comes on February fourteenth widened theaters released by the same company that released parasite it also premiered at Cannes and was acquired acquired by neon there as well this makes an interesting duo. Talking to Selene was A very meaningful experience. She is very talented and smart person. So I hope you'll stick around for that and speaking of neon perhaps Amanda we should go right to the mailbag. Bobby would you like to read us the first question. I'd love to really quickly want to say thanks to everyone who reached out after the Oscars. Thanks questions people are very nice Okay the first question is from Doreen. Will neon overtake eight. Twenty four the cool indie distributor in the twenty twenties. What do you think about this question? Overtake is an interesting word. I think it's nice to have another person at the table. And they are absolutely at the table in addition to obviously having distributed parasite and portrait of lady on fire which I saw the second time last night and just like knocked my socks off. I should've seen it earlier. It would have been on my list for last year. Like Dat movie is the real deal they also yesterday acquired surely which was one of the favorite movies that I saw. It's so they they're in in it to win it and in fact they did win it and I think it's this is a question for you. Do you think it's a good thing to have twenty four neon. Can they share that lane or is is it only to mentor. One Leaf or two distributors. Enter one leaf. Yeah I don't I don't I don't see it as that way. I don't see it as to enter in one leave. I see. It's it's actually fantastic. That there are two companies that not only are they both have the imprimatur of cool and hip and when they when they put their name on on a movie. It sort of means something to the the film Literati. It's also that they're fighting for certain aspects of the business that I think we care about out and you know seeing Portugalete on fire on a big screen is is big meaningful experience and Tom Quinn. Who is one of the CO founders of that company of of Neon has been interviewed interviewed a lot in the aftermath in the run-up to the parasite win and He had some interesting things to say about what his company means in the face of the oncoming net flicks afflicts onslaught into our lives which I have talked about endlessly on this show. And he is. I don't want to misquote him. But he essentially said that movies like portrait and an in parasite and you know the lighthouse in any of the other eight twenty four films. They just sit on the shelf differently. They find audiences differently. And you get to have a different kind of experience with those movies. And he talked a lot about seeing the Irishman in theaters. And what a big deal. That was for him now. How engaged he was and he sounded just like us talking on the show? Yes and I I think that when those companies like Neon like twenty four you know Sony pictures classics. There's still a lot of stalwart groups. That are still trying to do this. Bleaker Street is still out there trying to do this. These sort of either standalone loan companies or intentionally boutique companies I think to a lesser extent. searchlight is also like this which put out Joe Rabbit and hidden life. These things really careful movies. They really care the filmmakers. They're not just bottom line companies. They want to do good business but they are looking to let people tell stories that maybe wouldn't be able to just just simply by going through the Ip machine at the studios. So I don't think we have to choose between the twenty four. I think we can have them both wonderfully. I think it's also just GonNa really interesting to see how they develop their own identities. You know eight. Twenty four is relatively young but neon is really young was founded in two thousand seventeen and end. So I think you have a sense of a type of a twenty four movie at this point about which is not a bad thing but it will be interesting to see that develop how it responds to Neon neon starts develops types of movies. That are out in the world. It's I mean it's exciting. Their advocates for the types of things that we want to say eight twenty four is much much more in the game of developing new films in house and locating the filmmakers not always the case they they acquired boy state at southbound or excuse me at Sundance this year neon is mostly been in the acquisition game you know. In addition to parasite and portrait. They acquired Apollo Eleven. They acquired. Honey land They acquired a lot of films Over the last few years and they have they have produced and back to few films too but they have not yet to back a really really noisy movie from start to finish finish and I would guess that this will. That's come into. Yes yes exactly. I think that's the next face. What's the next question? Josh asked as well a lot of people don't WanNa know the Horse horserace Who Will Win an Oscar? I Sir Sharon or Adam driver what do you think I think a numbers game. This is probably Sir Sha Ronin just because there are still aren't as many great roles for women and the best actress category does tend to have a lot of repeat search run-ins already been nominated four times and you can see people are paying attention to her so I think best actor is filled with a lot of people who go twenty years and don't win and I don't want that for Adam driver. That would be a bummer. But you can see in terms of historically had those categories go that I would guess her. Ah There I ask you a question about this. I think what you said is really right do you think it's a bad thing to accumulate too. Many nominations like we talked about Glenn close a lot a year ago and how and she's a total accepted into what I said right she. She more closely reflects someone like walking Phoenix and it took five or six nominations to finally get over the line. But do you think there's a downside to just kind of always being there and people forgetting whether or not you've actually one or not we talked about those with Renee Zellweger to like a lot of people just forgot that she won for Cold Mountain rightly thought of Judy as a kind of a coronation for her. This is it possible that people because they've seen social ronin almost every year since she was sixteen at the Oscars. I I guess so. I mean you know. We talked a lot about trying to understand the psychology specifically of best actor in acting categories. And I think it alludes both of us at this point especially after Rozelle Zellwegger Phoenix so there does seem to be an awful lot of people just stuck in their ways and making one decision early and not giving giving a lot of extra thought and so if they're not willing to give someone extra thought then perhaps they do. Have that like two familiar. I think there's a Ronin will probably be nominated. I needed like forty five times because from that. Same Laziness of being like. Oh yeah sure but I don't know I think it's also about taste. You know both the thing that she and Adam driver share in addition to being young nominees is that they've made vanishingly few bad films and that in and of itself is a skill and it's respected by the the academy so we'll have to wait and see. I agree with you. I think Russia she's already got four two drivers to and she's not stop anytime site. What's next which actor and N- director or director that missed out on Oscar? This year will be most likely to get a makeup Oskar in the next five years. I think most people will think Quentin Tarantino Who who says he only has one film left who spring to mind? When you heard this greg as Bil- in what form do you think her makeup Oscar will comes a great question I could i? I almost certainly don't think it will be director but I could see screenplay and I could honestly say a weird thing happening where it's actress this. Aw Yeah I wonder how how and if she will get back onscreen because there's a universe now where it kind of regardless of all the awkwardness and difficulty around the best director. In Lyra women recognized category conversation. She's a thing like a little women made a lot of money and she's now she's a brand. Yes and that's exciting. That's fun for us because we like her stuff but that also means that she has a lot of power that actors actually weirdly. Don't have like there's a very small now layer of actor who can get a project made you know it's like Ryan Reynolds and will Smith. It's just a very small number of people. She's not in that stratosphere snatcher but she starting to become one as a filmmaker with that shift her attention away from pursuing onscreen opportunity. I have no evidence for this but my takeaway was that she was shifting herself in that direction and I think she has always identified as a writer and an aspiring filmmaker Acre as much as an actor. So now that you actually can do it. You know I don't know why would you give the power up. If you had a choice to be a writer director or an actor. What would you choose writer director actor absolutely put me? Let me in control of everything at all times. We all know this many. You've come to be unbranded this. What's the next question While I'm sorry for putting this one on here do you think that in the same way EMINEM gotta make up performance. Seventeen years after winning an Oscar Santos will be honored at the Oscars in twenty thirty seven inevitable. I I don't have a joke. I have an honest reflection on this question. I think that there is going to be in twenty or twenty five years a very sincere tribute tomorrow and I think the anxiety and resentment that a lot of academy members have towards these movies now when we get to whatever popcorn movies are twenty five years from now. The marvel movies will seem like deeply sophisticated. Works of great art told across a long period of time an incredibly difficult thing to have accomplished. That doesn't make the movies better. That doesn't make the more doesn't make you a bit more. But I think as time goes by they'll be more started the same way that all kind of like be movie. Entertainment over time gets more respected. Not Less we. Don't look down on Bud Becker Westerns from the fifties. Now we think that they're actually. It's amazing how good they are considering the constraints. I think that they will certainly be recognized. In the at the Oscars is in ten or fifteen years in some sort of self flagellating but also aggrandizing capacity. It will be interesting and I think they will also be remembered in fifteen or twenty years and I think your idea of we. Didn't we didn't understand what we had is probably true. I think it will be interesting. In how they remembered. And even if they're remembered like individual movies or if there are scenes or characters it is a it's just a different entity and they are so interconnected and in kind of a Blob of of big screen. Ip At this point. I'm curious what will separate out and how I think the one thing to consider consider that it is interesting especially the way that they have chosen filmmakers and projects over the years is when Ryan Kugler is no longer a thirty two year old filmmaker but when he's a fifty five year old filmaker with a Best Picture Oscar to his name and he's entrenched in the business and he's a significant voter he'll be ambassadorial and the academy and he he'll. It'll be a person who has made at least two marvel movies so that that in and of itself is going to change the perception of the likewise. The perception of things like Netflix. We'll change over time. When more and more people have been given opportunity to go to the next level because of these films they won't be as regarded quite so grumpily I think But maybe not what have you not. I think Josh Brolin also should be given just a standalone prize for his work. Okay maybe he will. It's not over. Is it if you think that bonus fantas has gone forever in the work in the words of the work is done and it always will be okay. I think that you have not taken any lessons from anything that you've seen onscreen but okay. I don't think you're telling me that does coming back. That's great for the bid so either way I win okay. What's next There was a lot of Roma walked. So parasite could run questioned Z.. so Bruno and Nicklaus asked did green box went over Roma last year influence parasites victory and Nicholas asked. Do you think parasite would have still triumphed. If Roma had one. This is uh-huh these are good questions. I think this the second one for me is easier to answer them. The I think which is I. I don't think that parasite would have won if Roma had had one just because I think there would have been a a reaction for every action there is a equal or probably an equal and opposite reaction. Sharon and I think that there are a lot of people who would have refused through subtitles twice or just wouldn't have taken wouldn't have invested vested in the significance of parasites win in the same way and I don't know if that was the deciding force and I my instinct again with no evidence. Is that parasite kind of one inspite spite of those roles rather than because of them but it takes a lot of votes and I think they're all kinds of voters and I think Roma taking up that narrative space. I wouldn't have left Elaine parasite in the same way I agree. This is a complex thing and obviously we'll never really know the answer to it but I generally agree that the the conversation that we had in the immediate aftermath of this is extraordinary foreign language films. Don't get this kind of respect historically at the academy If if we could have had it last year it would have obviated some of this extraordinary wave that we felt over the last few weeks that being said I think the Bongino thing transcends a lot and agree cuaron was still a Hollywood filmmaker. This is a guy would meet a Harry Potter movie. And even though as an immensely personal story sorry it was distributed by net flicks and it was it was different than parasite parasail was very much underdog and Roma even though a film like that it would have been surprising. I'm for two one. I don't think it was an underdog per se I think Green Book was actually the underdog which is a bit grotesque to think about but that was the film that for all intents purposes shouldn't have won and also shouldn't have won so it's hard to say like if I had wanted Def- parasite definitive definitively would not have gone forward as a winter. But I think the point you made are right on as well The other thing is the economy is just way more international. Yeah you know. Forty percent of the new members that join since the big pushing fifteen and sixteen are international members. So while. I don't think we we talked about this on Sunday tonight. I don't think a parasite kind of moment is going to happen again. And I thought Adam names piece on the ringer was very very incisive about this point. About how unusual and accessible parasite our site is yes and how difficult it would be a movie like this to come along and sweep again. I do think you can expect more foreign language films nominated for best picture because of this and I do think a consciousness about world cinema and even the way that we pay attention to cam like. What will you do on this podcast about Ken this year? We're not going but will we be significantly more attuned to the breakout films there than we were say this time last year. I think we probably will. This was the film festivals portrait of a lady on fire and once upon a time in Hollywood would and parasite are those are three favorite movies from last year. They might be so anyhow. I do think that there's no way to know the answer to that question. But it is just an interesting now. What on the International International Cinema Front? What's next Sean? You called parasite a quick landmark best picture. Jeremy Army wants to know what other best pictures would you consider landmarks kind of a vague word I apologize for my my inaccuracy. My ineffectiveness activeness I thought of a couple. I don't know if you have any you have identified. I think midnight cowboy is probably the most radical film that has ever won it. Essentially it kicks off the new Hollywood in a meaningful way. This is an x rated film about Essentially a a hustler turning tricks in New York City And is pimp and that's a lot different than the film that won the previous year. which was Oliver Right? Which is a very poor adaptation of the musical offer I you know I think we talked a week ago. About every winning the seventy s just the after year feeling like a wall up in how impressive. So that wasn't I guess. By the time the wanted probably had just been normalized. What jumps out to you as a kind of landmark win over the years? They're Kinda Sim memorable. Double Ones Shakespeare in love really stands out to me as Kinda when for better and really often for worse you become aware of the campaign and how these can be manipulated violated and it being A political event as much as it is a movie making about which I think was the case for a very long time before. I don't mean to say that the Oscars Oscars in Nineteen eighty-four. Were you know a pure expression of the heights of cinema. But that's really when it came to the The public view I think because obviously Harvey Weinstein was so involved in the Shakespeare in love. Win Over Saving Private Ryan. Soon that one is maybe a landmark in a more negative sense of the word I think. Crash is another landmark terms of. I think we have a way to address the the crash conversation and So I don't want to spoil too much of that okay. I absolutely agree with you About Shakespeare in love that would have been probably my second pick. Yeah I'm midnight cowboy and you know I think that essentially in the nineties the Oscars what an Oscar movie was Kinda calcified and then in the two thousand Kinda gets turned on his head. You get a different kind of movie winning every year in the two thousands which is part of what makes exciting but to go from gladiator radiator to a beautiful mind to Chicago to the Lord of the rings two Million Dollar Baby. Those movies don't have a lot to do with each other aside from the first two bulls starring Russell Crowe and I I liked that about the Oscar's during that time. I think we're actually in an interesting place. Where even though it seems like moonlight and parasite have a lot in common and the shape of water and green handbook? Have a lot in common. The truth is is that the last five or so Oscar winners all have a lot in common in terms of the size of the film the Oh tore nature of its creation. The WHO distributed the films. They're all kind of modest. You know it's not the same as looking at million dollar baby. And the Lord of the Rings I mean those are two totally different kinds of productions productions and stories and their politics are different and They're different in so many ways so it's possible. The best picture winners are just getting more Siemian. Less Land Marquee arche with the obvious exception. That parasite is from South Korea. And that just sets everything on its head yes Anything else you WANNA point out about it landmarks over the years wings. That was the first I best picture winner. That's a that's a meaningful one. It's a landmark unto itself. Why Okay I think we can move I okay next question Scott asks since Thakur seems to be bouncing back back and forth between inspired fairly surprising. Validating big picture wins He lives parasite in moonlight and boring. Uninspired Selections Ula Screen Book and shape of water. What's your irresponsibly? Earlier prediction for the Boring Uninspired Front runner of twenty twenty. I made a shortlist. This feels unkind to these movies. I think the all all of the films. I'm about to list could turn out to be the best movies of the year. Yeah but I would say that if you look at the slate of things that we know we're coming. These are as close as I can get too throat clearing. This movie is important. Oscar stuff right. The first is Steven Spielberg's west story which I don't what what else can you say other than it's going to be one of the big productions of the year and is adapting something that is a big time meaningful piece of Hollywood history. I am looking forward to this so please. Don't you know attach any aspersions to say this really does feel like the nineteen seventeen slot at the end of the year. Oscar movie big production. You know there's war movie and there's musical which have moreover left and you might think true And it just kind of waiting waiting there so that was A. That was a front runner. I think it's going to be a front-runner again it's possible. It's a complete disaster It's not like Steven Spielberg. I don't think musical legal when I think Steven Spielberg but I also don't underestimate Steven Spielberg's act that. You pointed out on our most anticipated movies of the year next choice which is the trial of the Chicago seven. This could go a lot of ways. It really could have an open heart until it's no longer open. It's a September twenty fifth releases is written and directed by Aaron Sorkin. And this movie I think is GonNa find its way into festival circuit. I think if you hear about it at Venice telluride or Toronto. Do not be surprised and the way that it has received will probably indicate what kind of chances it has in this kind of a race but it's a real life story about a big meaningful political social change in this country and those things tend to work well and it's got a big noisy cast over actors. All of whom will be no doubt great yum chewing on errands dialogue aggressively so we can expect to see that. Can I just do a quick side note yes one of the true red carpet highlights from the Oscars on Sunday. Night was Billy Irish was being interviewed with her brother and collaborator. Venus and they were asked about author favorite movies and Billy Irish gives her stock answers. Now which is like we need to talk about Kevin and the Bob Hook shot up billy. Bush keeps shining and then phineas shares his answers which the social network and moneyball really anything by Aaron sorkin shadow my mantras so in case you WanNa know how Billy Irish became so extraordinarily successful. restful all you need to do is listen to their. Inspirations as films which are incredibly weird fraud emotional quiet dangerous movies mixed aggressively with high. Hi Anna Lyrics because that's what billy Bush is truly another film that I'm very interested about and I heard a little bit about last week when I interviewed actor and writer and director named Michael Vino who made a movie called the climb with his partner Account Marvin. He's one of the stars of this news of the world. which is the Tom? Hanks movie directed by Paul Greengrass the last time they got together they made Captain Phillips. This is a period piece set during wartime coming out on Christmas. Draw your own conclusions. Yeah not unlike the nineteen seventeen. Yes west side story comparison. You're making this one has even maybe arguably more of a one to one comparison point there. We don't know anything about the movie other than it's based on a novel that I haven't read. Have you read this novel. I haven't so this feels. At least in sort of like is it an uninspired frontrunner probably not uninspired. I mean I'm stoked folks for another Paul greengrass movie I I really like his movies. And we're on the record about Hank's we are hex rules. So hopefully that will be something that we see you. I mentioned on Sunday night. The French dispatch. We gotta look at some posters and some stills today the New Yorker This connection for them yes. Well this appears to be a film based on the New Yorker so I can't say that that has me Has the hair on the back of my neck standing up but I also trust Wes Anderson. And I'm so excited. It just talk about in revisit. His work and consider him. This is a movie. That's coming out soon and July movies by soon. You mean July if assuming we're still live in July you know that didn't serve once upon a time in Hollywood well so I don't know what that means for this movie as well I wrote on PTA movie. You did You all caps were. It's just rude for that. To be in the boring uninspired front runner category well it collides a little bit with the I. It's time thing and it's at some point the academy will decide it's time on PTA. And I thought that the surprising and big support support for phantom thread despite its absolute audie it was a good sign that we're rolling in the direction of the P. T. A. Year and when there is the PTA year if you thought. I was yelling on Sunday night. Wait until that Oscars now I will be lighting myself on fire. Okay running nude through the streets and subscribe okay. Is that going to be eligible on twenty twenty one unclear. I it sounds like Production is starting shortly. Casting has been happening. I don't know how quickly he's going to turn the movie around this. This is apparently highschool movie a coming of age movie. That's pretty much all we know about it I don't know it'll come but I'm I'm putting it on the list because I'd like to will it into your breaking news there for us now. I don't know anything. Nobody tells me anything. I'm sure Paul Thomas Anderson finds me absolutely embarrassing. But what can I do about it. You know. Love is love there Which I mentioned on Sunday did I forget anything else? I think those are the major ones again. The question was boring uninspired front runner so I guess we've got Dune. Yeah I which is rude to say it for diva new of who I think is a tremendous filmmaker. I'm working through my attitude towards this upcoming thing. I guess I have most of the year to do it. Big Sifi rarely does well I guess Avatar is probably the only real example of big time science fiction getting acknowledged and James. I would say Denise Villanova's not quite at the James Cameron level yet. But it's possible that he gets there. I saw a movie Adam at Sundance called the father which was written and directed by the playwright flooring. Zeller that Sony any pictures classics putting out starring Anthony Hopkins. It's about a A father coping with dementia. And it's told in a very creative fashion and it feels very staged aged. It's very much a play converted to a film but that is probably specifically more along the lines of what the question is asking which is like what's an uninspired like very obvious showcase for an actor telling a story about a sensitive issue Anthony Hopkins is a nominated. I'll be shocked He's very very good in the film. The film's okay. It's pretty good. I'm I'm sure we'll talk more about it soon. And if you have a parent who is experiencing something like this or a grandparent. I think you will immediately identify with it. It'll be meaningful to a wide swath of people. That's closer oh Sir than news of the world which sounds like a good movie that I wanNA see right and I'm sure that more films. That seem a little bit more green bookie he will come along soon and we'll talk about when they come. What's next drew? Ask Switch Tarantino movie. Do you think he was deserving best director the most taking into account the field for those cheers as well what. What do you think about this one? Did you have. Because he's been nominated three times Ninety four zero nine twenty nineteen Which means they are six other movies that he's not been nominated for Should we talk through. What the nominees were? Yeah I think that would be so. I have a pretty clear answer. It would help to have the information so nineteen ninety-four he was nominated alongside Robert zemeckis forrest Gump Woody Allen for bullets over Broadway. Robert Redford quiz show and Krysztof Kieslowski. Excuse for Red Pretty Hallowed collection of nominees there yes that year In no chance of winning because forrest Gump was considered such a extravagant again triumph and he did win. Best original screenplay with Roger Avery that year pope continues to be my favorite and like the pinnacle and a lot of ways alongside aside the other film that he was nominated for inglorious bastards. So it's possible it could have been ninety four. I think it's not. It's who we think when he we. We think he should have won and giving these nominees. I mean my answer is ninety. Four thousand glorious bastards alongside Kathryn Bigelow for the hurt Locker Walker. James Cameron for Avatar Lee Daniels Precious and Jason Reitman for up in the air I'm not GonNa Complain About Kathryn. Bigelow Win I think that that was deserving. I think James Cameron also also would have been deserving I was gonNA say Anglers is my favorite Tarantino and I still think that either Kathryn bigelow or James Cameron. It's hard to argue against either of those. I agree that's tough. I mean Inglorious is probably the number two movie. I think it was number two when we did our listeners. Number Three by Jackie Brown Over the summer you know. That's not a bad third place when you're running up against the longer an Avatar which invented a new way of making movies You Know Twenty nineteen we do like sometimes you just. Sometimes you just get screwed you got. You ran into Kathryn bigelow one year and you ran into June Hoan. You're GONNA do I thought that the slate of two thousand and four nominees were interesting. I we watched kill bill volume one last week when I was ill you know when you get sick and you're like I just need. I need a a blanket a comfort and yeah I need I need a big bowl of Sup- do but I watch romantic comedies. You Bill I watched kill Bill and let me tell you something. I'll kill bill volume one. Yeah one hundred out of one hundred yeah absolutely kick ass movie. That is is inspiring to me that that year the nominees for best director. Where Peter Jackson for the Lord of the Rings Return to the King? Fernando Morales for city of God. Your Girl Sofia Coppola Lost in translation. I'm Peter we are master and commander of the far side of the world. Clint Eastwood for Mystic River. Also a good collection of nominees You can't really make the case to me that Fernando Morello's or Peter. We should've I've been here over Clinton like I don't it's just not I just can't get onboard with it. And and Jackson Tarantino would have been interesting showdown because it was both of them kind of at the height of their thing right. It's like the most fantasy Peter Jackson movie and the most Quentin Tarantino Movie So I thought that it would be useful to she released site that one. But I think you're right. I think ninety four is he just should've won then they we couldn't have known that he was GonNa get screwed in nine and screwed in two thousand nine hundred screwed but just kinda like run into an unfortunate circumstance. Yeah and I don't you know. What does that mean for? Let's go. Let's go to the next question. Caleb what are the odds odds of Clinton's tenth and final movie hitting big at the Oscars. Now that once upon a time didn't win. What are the odds I I I hope so? He's described the movie as an an epilogue. So does that mean it will be more genteel. Doesn't mean it will be crazier Will it be continent connected to his previous stories with that. There's a lot of inter connectivity in his movies. I don't know what to expect Competitive I think the Oscars do like this one on song. They do like being part of that narrative and I think even Oscar would know that to not reward Tarantino is would be would be a mistake would be something that reflects poorly on them fitted. I mean it really does depend on the quality of the thing if it's a more open accessible version of Tarantino with that slightly softer once upon a time side. I think he has a great chance. If it's like guns blazing literally and figuratively then. We'll see yeah. I mean there's no guarantee if you look at one thousand nine hundred the academy looked at raging bull and Scorsese and they said you know what I don't think so. And then ten years later they looked at goodfellas and Martin Scorsese and they said I don't think so and then ten years later they gangs of New York and Martin Scorsese and he said I don't I don't think so and that's a lot I mean that's an Tarantino is even though they're different filmmakers is in a lineage of a kind of Abrasiveness and masculinity entity in his filmmaking that the economy is not really usually on board with so just because he decided on ten doesn't mean the academy will decide. Now is the time. Which of course is just a complete crock? Doc of shitting me in general like. I think it's absurd that he doesn't have a best director Oscar. But it there's no guarantee that even if he tells the most beautiful perfect cutesy movie ever that that they're going to respect that because we don't know we're dealing with and also as we said he could just hit a bad year. That's right you can get unlucky. I like the Oscars occurs are responsible or make mistakes all the time but you can just wind up wind up in a year with parasite yes and we all like a wave. You know quintiles Tino's now part of the old guard. He's not new and exciting. Mum was new and exciting for people this year. It was more fun to do that. So we'll see what's next Alex asks if Leo hadn't won for for the revenue a few years ago and was still Oscalus. How would the best actor race of played out this year? When you think about this I think this is interesting but also wishful thinking? It obviously would have been different for everything we just said about Oscar's liking to right wrongs way too late but again the acting categories are so weirdly solidified. Now an actor loved joker and I just they're still seeing there was still a uniformity to to how akane PHOENIX Performance was received that. I think it's he. You still would have had a hard time. DID EATING IN LEO competing would've affected Brad's ability to win. That's a good question. But they've done actor supporting actor before to the same same felt. Yeah I just wonder if like if ever felt comfortable with Brad not just because he was Brad but because it was a way to acknowledge the film and it it was a way to reward that movie but People Thought Seriously About Rewarding Leo. And it doesn't it. You know I talked about this as we talked about it since talking about that movie. I just think it's it's Leo. What is best? I thought it was the most Lived in and funny and strange performance. He's really given I. I agree with you. That's an interesting question. Do you think that people title are rewarding films with the acting winds to me. It seems really separate you know and I am no that Brad Pitt. One for once upon a time in Hollywood and I know that Laura dern one for American story to movies we love that were otherwise kind of overlooked at the Oscars. But I don't get the sense that the voting bodies are thinking of it that way. I think they're voting for Brad ADENOID. Earn you might be right. I think there's you know it's a to counterfactual we'll never know the answer to I think Leo is the kind of actor who has the kind of track record. That should be a conversation for two Oscars if Nicholson was in streep was and now people like rails Renee Zellweger and Daniel Day Lewis. And you know there's that's that's a very exclusive club of actors. He strikes me as worthy of that conversation. You know I don't expect them. The next move is making sure. Sounds like an Oscar movie killers of the Flower Moon. The David Grand Adaptation with Martin Scorsese which it sounds like we'll go into production this spring. I mean period piece about an injustice. That has kind of like thriller thriller feel to. It feels very Oscar to me. Maybe we'll see him again. What's next Tim suggests that we should do our own. Preferential ballot at the ringer wants to set the ringer ablaze. And we should really suppose. Guess think about that. How meaning every single person on staff would vote and we would unveil the preferential ballot for each like the combined preferential vowed scores? I guess he says I can do this. have the whole ringer staff ranked the Namsan show the whole process. If the leader has less than fifty percent chop last-place reallocate et CETERA. This is not what Amanda wants. I think would win Tim. I appreciate your enthusiasm for the ringer but as someone who has actually seen the results of the ringer voting for thanks. Thanks I have to let you know that it might not be what you want. May I present to you. CHICK-FIL-A waffle fries waffle fries and Jack Horsemen are suddenly winning the Oscar Psych. Okay I for our CHICK-FIL-A waffle fries could've been it could've been among your cohort. Bobby of young carb rose owes you. Could've you could've literally roomed your way right to the top of the heap. I would have been really pushing for it in the office. You know like pulling people aside. Yeah I I think we can do this next year. I mean I. I don't think it would really mean anything about how the Oscars are gonNA turn out right And I think it would be funny to watch people try to campaign. That's kind of a good fit. And you know we famously. You did Campaign ads here a few years ago for MBA players for MVP. I would love to see our political ads for certain films. Maybe we'll put a pin in that and try to do that next year here to make this a little bit more fun. What's next? Mando asks should be boycott bio-pics to end the best actor and actress domination. Mando thank you Mando I did a little research here last ten years. Seven of the ten best actor winners played real people. Three of the ten best actress winners play real people I mean that's a little bit about history and we don't need to go down that road but it's a good point I still think. Roger Sherman's hottest take which is that we should just do the best impersonation. His nation of a person is is the best way to solve this. I agree I don't want to boycott by picks I really enjoy them. And this again is isolates another thing of how how we're talking about acting categories and evaluating acting is either totally broken or non existence like are we evaluating acting anymore. What not we? But the people people voting on the awards is a is a great question. You said this I think on Sunday and I think it's a good opportunity for a future episode. I think you and I trying to figure out. And maybe even have a guest on who can help us understand what actually is a good performance and what goes into a performance would be beneficial because a lot of acting and a lot of movie. Experience is purely emotional. Did I connect did I feel it but acting as a craft and I don't want to hear somebody talk about specifically how they act but how people identify what a good performances would be an interesting conversation. So let's do that down the road. We'll the follow up to that. The next question you kind of answered a little bit. From Noah have we reached the point where best actor and actress are defined by roles more than performances depends. Yeah I mean I think we don't know the answer to this question. I would argue that. They're defined as much by the personalities studies than they are by rolls or performances. Also you know. Is there a distinction between the role in the performance ultimately is a question that we could possibly discuss on that. The podcast on the future episode. I thought a lot when I saw this question of Francis mcdormand and three billboards two-time winner where I think think a lot of people just thought her character and three billboards was Francis. mcdormand if you watched her give speeches with that kind of you know sharp elbowed funny Brassy Philis style that she has. I think people were like I just like her. I dislike what she's about. She just seems like she's toughened. Doesn't take any shit and I respect like that and I want to get behind that and I'm sure that she has some things in common with that character but she's not the they're not the same person right and that kind of inflation. I think tends to happen in the same way that a lot of people after I I perhaps erroneously angrily lobbied against the the Renee Zellweger win. A lot of people are just like people just love. Judy Garland Garland and they just wanted to give. Judy garland something and this is as close as they are ever going to get. 'cause she's not alive anymore and it could be as simple as that. It could just be like I WANNA reward a dead person. Yeah Yeah and this is how I'm GonNa do it Who knows these are diffuse bodies? What's next breeze wants to know Netflix? Had An all time high number of nominations and still barely barely won anything. Is it just a matter of timing or are they doing something wrong as a studio and if so what do they need to correct. This is a tough line there in a tricky rickie spot. Am I a little bit of time for people to get more comfortable. I think similar to the Tarantino conversation. We're having I think a couple of films just got unlucky this year They obviously obviously released some of the very best movies of the year. And there's no value judgment laced into this. I just think that there are people that still resent it. And they just don't want to reward it and they WANNA reward neon for putting parasite and fifteen hundred theaters. They think that there's something noble about that And they don't WanNa reward. Everybody stays home and watches two the point. Six hours of the Irishman goes to bed and part of it is just whatever projects they have this year and what what other films are a big deal. I don't know what do you think. Do you think needs to change anything. Yeah I I don't know I genuinely don't know I love both of those movies And I think they definitely ran an aggressive campaign. They spent a lot of money. I do wonder whether there was a response. Not just to like the Netflix of it. All but the type of campaign which does feel feel From a different era as opposed to Bongino just rolling around being delightful. And it's a different type of experience that people are have as they're deciding who to vote for. I think some people probably saw net flicks executing a campaign. Yes as opposed. Hose to Bongino having fun and if you can see that. Maybe you don't like that. Maybe don't like feeling pitched to. Maybe you just onto love something purely I think that that is also circumstantial and it depends on whatever you're going up against. I'll never forget even just talking to some friends That were net flicks after. You're seeing parasite Italia Rod and all of those you'll be like wow. That movie is really good. Yeah and and there's almost like nothing you can do about. It's just like that movie is really good and it comes along once in every ten or twenty years and when it doesn't matter how long you spent planning your marriage story strategy parasite is parasite and sometimes you're on in fourth place and it's nothing against you. You just run in fourth place. I think that's really true. I do also just think again. It has nothing to do with netflix campaigns. How people respond to the movies? And I guess this has to do with the experience of watching Netflix on your home. But there were a lot of people who watched watched the Irishman institutions that. We don't normally associate with Oscar movies. And I think that affects how you receive the Irishman and I assume that that affects how you compute your vote. WJR and that. That's the trickier part. I don't know how you get past that long term and at the risk of corporate. Shell I just really appreciate that. They give a lot of great filmmakers money to make movies and at some point we're there there'll be a narrative that will calcified. It'll say like it's time now. It's time to do time to do it for an ethics point. Let me also also say this like thrilled the parasite wine and I hope at this point that most people listening to podcasts. have been able to see parasite but it was very hard for a lot of people who want to participate this in this to to see parasite for a very long time and everyone was able to see the Irishman and everyone is able to see marriage story and we all got to talk about that and weird emotional journeys about marriage story and not really that it has value and that's honestly like bigger than the Oscars. But I think it's possibly a bummer. If you don't get to win Oscars I got a chance to see Miss Americana on Netflix. And I hated it. Kathy hated it fully. That's that's great for your high. I I love doing this. podcast of the Manda and I respect your opinion but I think Miss Marikana is a pox on our society I think it should be deleted from net flicks immediately. Do you think if you keep going. Then I'll take this bait I I respect no matter what. Okay Great Five. What's the next question? Yeah well this is a question for me. Do you think they overpitched Roma because there was a lot of talk among people in the industry being like I just received a hundred page shot by shot frame by frame. Mm version of all of the shots in Rome. I got that for marriage story and an Irishman as well and they were very beautiful so I think that they they are definitely going big. I I think that a lot of people would not have taken seriously if they hadn't done that and I think that a lot of people saw Roma which was a tremendous cinematic achievement. I feel kind of bad that Roma has fallen to a little bit to the wayside. Because we got what we wanted with parasite and that's our beautiful shining child. And I think I would take over Roma one hundred times out of I was about the same thing but also maybe we actually don't have to juice. Yeah and and I think the fact that so many people saw remind argued about got it and that it was on a contender at the Oscars is still an achievement and some of that was a function of what you're saying which sometimes you need to Overdo it to get attention and Netflix from fifteen nominations last year to twenty four nominations this year and they had more films that were in contention and a stronger presence. Maybe they'll have thirty this year. I don't I don't know I don't. They don't haven't Irishman coming to the best of my knowledge. They don't have a movie that's just like look out because Mardi is making a gangster movie again so without that it's a little hard to say that's ten. Nominations is right there. But we'll see they're not to be underestimated by any stretch at this point. They are the biggest producer of original movies in America. Right now what's next Pinko wants to know which three actors today would you pick to portray young Sheeran HOFFA and buffalo no in the Irishman assuming. No de aging technology is used. I wrote down three names. They're not as flashy one of them already appeared in the Irishman. Bobby Kennedy Allah who strikes me as an adequate young Deniro K.. Maxell who you may recall from the Sopranos and I believe Doogie Howser md.. Right who who I think is a strong PECI. Standing has that kind of unctuous energy that she has and an acronym John Madero who people will be able to see in I. Cal- Kelly records new movie It also appeared in David Chase's film after the Sopranos Not Fade Away. which is one of my favorite movies of the decade which nobody talks about which nobody cares about which people don't like but I think he has has got a real knack and I think he would have been a very amusing young Jimmy Hoffa? Even though we don't really see young Jimmy Hoffa and movie very much. We need it more for for Russell and for Sharon. Yeah I guess that's my question to you is do you actually need it. Do you think this this is a good idea. I like I like what they did. Even if the aging is a little distracting I liked. What they you too? Yeah I I just think you need the continuity throughout this three hours routes. There's no reason for it to be that long. It's your experience with these characters and specifically these this old men over time I agree with you. what's next Mike wants to know is is the sound. Editing Mixing Mixing Split Award an attempt to honor two great works or just a fluke because of confusing distinction between these two categories. I don't know the answer to this. Do you think people who are voting on it. The answer to that well some do and some. Don't I think a lot of people I think. A lot of crafts people and blow the wind people see the key distinctions and there are distinctions are are definitional distinction between the two things. However you just made best sound you'd be able to incorporate all of those people and so you'd be able to combine the people who worked on both sides of this craft into one category the same way that? Oh you do you heard Roger Deakins talk about his focus puller and his gaffer and how helpful those people are how central they are to his process in his work but those people are not nominated for best intimacy talk graffiti. Even though they contribute to the cinematography I think finding a way to adequately pull in that entire aspect of filmmaking in sound is logical and makes a Lotta sense and would streamline the process and it would probably eliminate voters being confused. Yes and then weird things like Ford. V Ferrari are you winning at one category in nineteen seventeen winning in another category and just put the two together. But we'll see what's next Andrew wants to know why why there's an arbitrary limit of one entrant per country and best international feature. I don't know I mean. Obviously it was very bad for portrait of lady on fire. Yes I am. We didn't write these rules. And I think if I could just channel Wesley Morris for a second in terms of the the rules being arcane and super confusing and and and not really getting them. I don't know I I honestly don't even want to try to guess their intentions. I assume it's to try to get more countries represented. I think I think you're right. I think that's what it is. Unfortunately the filmmaking apparatus in France is more organized and they just produce more features than other countries and that's not should not come at the expense of Senegal or Turkey but if two French films. It's just stupid that we can't honor one of them. That just doesn't that's just not good for movies. It doesn't make sense. Yeah I mean I think at some point it just becomes a question about Phyllis this philosophical nature of this category and I think the language requirements requirements are also tied into this where the film has to be primarily not in English in order to qualify for international feature but that does exclude many any countries where English is the national language and there was a snafu about that during the nominating process this year so I think it is trying to spread the wealth it does also seem like perhaps the rules are increasingly outdated as we as we have more access to two more movies from around the world. I completely Louis Agree Let's try to go a little lightning round. What let's do? The last few Bobby Brad wants to know what's next for Todd Phillips Weird Career Keep getting them checks. Todd you did a man. Pride of Long Island is you are the most successful writer of original films. I think in in the world between the hangover movies joker I don't you know his his participation on hangovers legendary. I can only imagine what kind of participation yet on the joker. I hope he has a cool house. I don't want to the apartment. They'll make another move. He'll make whatever movie he wants now. which is Look I like todd. Phillips's movies I know. That's not a popular opinion. I I know that that's a in some them corners cancelable. I think he's actually now. We're officially in the like. This person's underrated Phase because people seem Politically distraught with with his work but as a craftsperson personal vision and you saw what Hilter G- wanted to tear said during her acceptance speech. She really respects him as an artist. And I think over time if he keeps leaning into this kind of a movie We made slightly changed the way we see him as a filmmaker. But maybe he'll make another frat comedy as well no insights Manda. Good luck to next question. If you were to win an Oscar. How would you approach your speech? That's from Greg Um Straight endgame quotes nearly killed me but the work is done always will be good. I like the speeches that start with an anecdote at you. Know there's like one tight focused hopefully with a little bit of humor not like totally self serious anecdote and then it leads into the. I'm so grateful Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah and also no agents show respect to agents. Good job at being agents. And you're getting a shitload of money and keep keep keep going with that then no more for you the Oscars there we go. I I will I will wolf. I will think Eileen my wife thanks. That's my only rule okay. She's the only person an ultimately deserves. Thanks in this world to me so And Bill Simmons. God bless him Next question Nick is representing the Christopher Nolan. He wants to know tenant is GonNa win. Christopher Nolan Oscar. Why I say it won't won't but I committed I solemnly commit on this podcast to reset my feelings on Nolan and to look at all the movies again and evacuate my my nastiness about it and try to try to see it as purely as I can because I like you know three or four movies a lot and I really don't like three or four movies a lot and I thought talking with Tarantino about Dunkirk was big and I saw that movie in a new way and I think you really like his movies as well? So it's it's kind of a good topic for us this summer. Yeah I'm excited. I do like his movies. I think that he is one of the few original minds. You know it's a classic thing where you have to separate the movies. He's from the fan base which is just increasingly the case for all sorts of things but I I do his work. I'm curious to see whether the Academy Adam you take it seriously. Yeah Crime Thrillers. Don't usually do well and neither do science fiction so TVD what's next to more. Kyle wants to know. We'll Shiloh. Buff Ever Be nominated for an Oscar Oscar. How can he do more in a movie than he did for doing? Connie boy and peanut butter Falcon same year. I've you this as the first step in the long road to acceptance in what he did and even just appearing. On the telecast which people loved and there's so much there's so much warmth in good feeling for peanut butter Falcon than a lot of people saw it and honey boy. Now that it's available on Amazon prime. I think a lot of people are going to see and his performance in both of those movies. Denial I mentioned on Sunday night. I think it's crazy. Easy was nominated frowny boy. I thought that was so I thought he was Sogang film But he still has his baggage. He does cheer point I think think showing up at the Oscars and being part of that moment indicates that he is willing to to do some of the work needed for Oscar acceptance to I don't that's those are the Oscars terms and not mind your but that it does require a certain amount of playing the game and Shah has not always wanted. Did you do that. And it seems like he might be willing to and that might go a long way. He had said that Zach outside and who he appeared onstage with who was his co star and peanut butter Falcon Birlik changed his life. And they're actually very close friends and it seems to have had a meaningful effect on him Since he was like sixteen everybody knew he was one of the best actors to come along the longtime he had like that James Dean Energy wars. We're like well this guy. Just got it he just just you just want to watch him so it was cool to get watch him get a chance to come back into our lives. I hope he's I hope he's well and it's just better for us if he's in the big important movies that get a lot of attention last question Andrew once you guys start discussing another pod allow the sense and sensibility spiders conversation. which just two choices would you give? I guess this is a little bit of a on the spot thing but people like to discuss tonight about it. I think Sean is going to pick an action and movie for me and I will probably pick a romantic comedy of some sort. Do you think we should let people suggest what we do. I'm open to suggestions. Sure her. Maybe we wouldn't guarantee it because I I do think part of what made that podcast work was that they were two movies that we both actually had personal connections to so I would love. We'd love to hear what you guys want to say just You know no promises. Yeah and I think you know on that episode. You were even more generous to me that I was to you. uh-huh and I'm I'm hopeful to be more generous to you on the next go around and more open minded as we figured out but the that episode was just an absolute blast and is also completely lately unpegged. And it's nice to do something just because we want to do it So if you guys WanNa make suggestions to US cool no guarantees. That will take it if anybody can find another another movie as ill as spider verse I'm on board with that This is going to conclude our mailbag. Bobby thanks for for helping out with this You know we have a lot of stuff to cover in the movie world in the next few months Our boss Bill. Simmons made a request to me yesterday morning. He said I need you to do a dump ury episode. Need you to look at all of the bad movies that have been released this year. Yeah I'm not gonNA say what movies are bad when we're good but let's just say we both suburbs pray the jam. We'll be seeing. Sonic the HEDGEHOG. I'll be seeing fantasy island. I won't be saying that one There's been there's underwater. That was a movie that was released earlier. This year. there've been some bad films so we'll talk about the bad movies next week and sometimes there's fun stuff in bad movies to explore floor and then they'll be more good movies and hopefully will be here every week for you to help you understand. What the what good movies are there? Are you ready for that. Amanda I am especially for the good months sense but you know we'll also see the bad ones yes so. Td on sonic the hedgehog could be good could be bad it could be something trump. Then how do you feel about Dr Robotic Ak Jim Carey. Is that a character in sonic. Did you play. Sonic certainly did. I wasn't allowed to why wasn't allowed to play video game in well. That's a topic of conversation but I'm familiar. I like the award but it was. I kind of different gaming system right. It was on Sega. Genesis and most people didn't have Sega because I would have to go to friends homes. Play Video Games. But that wasn't available to me so I'll be sort of an anthropologist on this upcoming podcast can't wait. I look forward to it. In the meantime please stick around for my conversation with portability on fire writer director sleepy. I'm honored to be joined via sling mud slinging. Thanks for being here. He's sleep. You know I noticed. This is your first feature length film that is not about adolescence. That is not centered around adolescents. And I'm wondering why it took this period of time to get to a film about this stage of womanhood. Yeah wanted to. That's it's something that you had been plotting when you started your work. I don't know over ten years ago as a filmmaker. Did you think I'm going to be charting the progress of a person's life over time and I'm going to be looking looking at the different phases of life or is this just something that sort of comes to you naturally. Organically I did. It didn't happen organically but I mean after girlhood I I. I kind of decided that this would be a trilogy kind of handed. It also depressing like promoting. Who that was like? This is the end of a trilogy Also because I wanted I wanted to depart and I wanted to actually like he was a way to make it happen But I do not have have noticed chemo where I would go through. Different the different steps of of childhood and teenage Jude. But it's actually the case because what lillies was about really beginning of adolescence. Tomboy body end of childhood end goal who'd was about deandre vital essence I think it has to do mostly mostly with the fact that the opportunity to privilege to make Feminine Very Young Age because I wrote Liza was twenty six basically was obvious obvious That would write about teenagehood because I wanted to write about something that I I knew. Do you think it's useful to have that. Like twenty year removed from the experience to be writing about it in that way to you are looking at things in that specific way. Did you think about this film in that way too. I disillusioned I mean well. I'm forty years old now and I was like I was really really. You wanted to add new experience. in crafting poultry heads with grownups character and wanting to Alibaba love story that was fully lived whereas the desire the rise of desire with teenage characters is mostly about discovering yourself and I really wanted to an about love that is not a completed And I wanted to do bathroom that frustration and go with with the full love dialogue and also work with professional actresses. Look it was a way also to I mean to depart from the comforts of in. You know you'll crafts. I think also was away. Working around coming of age story was away. Way To figure out what kind of director was because Not Enslave to casting. You're not you get more equal relationship ship with Your cast for instance And yet not be set into this idea that okay you make a film Elm and then and then you make a second one with more money. For instance Tomboy was cheaper than than what lillies Winstons. And those things I think about the Miladin are happening by chance. And like trying to not compromise ever and to build each film as a prototype and to be free so to make them not too expensive and also working with teenagers was also way to find your own way of directing understanding ending myself as a director and destroy films for film. I kind of like okay. I think now I'm ready for adults would even entering girlhood. You felt that way you felt like it would. It'd be almost on a more level playing field with your actors if they were not as experienced because by then I feel like tumbling water lilies very well received beloved by many people of course. So you have your reputational in the world at that point and even still you felt like it would be easier for you at that stage to work with more inexperienced people. Well I I think it's I wasn't thinking it was different for girlhood because The movie was more. I experimented it. It wasn't about yeah was kind of a confident now with with actresses andom and not being anxious at all But it means that discomfort discomfort I could. I could rely on that but to be more bold on a other other other levels of the films like narrative -Ly and make make bigger So goads welcome guarding scripts the construction And so was another form of prototype. I must say am and this time yeah I really wanted to. It's is kind of a paradox. But to focus on the fact that I wanted to make the most contemporary object was contemporary film New Barracks was that it was set in the the past. But that would set The mission and the bar like you colts. You called compromise with the fact that it has to be supercup contemporary did did you. Do you anticipate this being the part of the first part of a new trilogy anyway. No Okay just something you jerry rig to explain the last thrash. So why did you want to write a love story. Why was that importance Well because I think love stories is other films. uh-huh we that have the most impact on us And does not that many. I must say I mean here. That does Mr Romantic comedy as a showroom inference. We don't really. He didn't even have that. I think we're doing it increasingly lessons countries. Yeah to you know. And and it's weird because it's I mean we we all have big appetite and Sinophile I mean we'll have dispassionate. Four films that are not even Interesting in symptomatically speaking. But you door because An like if you look at the greatest is film history of cinema. Got The wind titanic and it's Love Stories Pretty Woman So I really wanted to yet to to confront myself To draw into intergraph film. That would really generous and and also love story. I mean it also lesbian love story and that hasn't been done much And and I wanted to. Yeah uh to give that also especially in a in a period piece like this so I'm sure there was a lot of attention around the time that this film is set. I was hoping you could kind of explore explore and explain some of that. Like Kinda right at the height of the age of enlightenment and what's happening in France at that time. And maybe you can help us understand why you want to set a film in this period. Yeah I mean I want to eighteen century for the enlightenment for which is a very very important moment in France in. I mean we keep convoking you today. regarding very political matters like the enlightenment's like the universality for instance False as Chong it really revenge against universalism you know and as whereas communitarianism and and this like it would be this ideal And we we keep living Every day it's it's convoked everyday. Even though I mean a president keeps talking about that So politically it was interesting to the movie at that time but it was mostly Also for of art history because at that particular moment the second half of the eighteenth century there was a very ignorant about that. Say there was a very strong Female driven odd seen Also with a critic seen And there were hundreds of Of Women Pinter in Europe and And then there was there was there was backlash and you know we keep being told that women's rights women's opportunities. I ah keep growing and it's not true. It's it's cycle And as we are going through today is some kind of cultural shifts around this question. We also experienced Dan stone backlash and resistance so I mean I was amazed to discover the body of work of these women that were you raised out history. It's glorious sits beautiful and it's it's missing it's missing to art history but that can be corrected you know but it's it has been missing from our lives. I mean I've felt looking at these images like this images have been missing from my life like I would have would have been better if I'd encountered about your work of this. This women would have less lonely Because you know that's what's the fact that we that we are missing women's perspective Literature in art in general. It means that we are now. Of course we miss Wind missing pieces of art. But also we're not given the transmission of our intimacies because you know that's what's literature is also sharing experience of a character and so that's the way to isolate women you know. We're not being given our history. The history of our intimacies of our desires and that was the project also report wanted to give back to this woman De Desire. It's not because you're a press that you don't have the desire because you're GonNa love we want that you get full of love for somebody And also can't imagine a more intimate movie. It is truly a movie between two people a secret unspoken in many anyway between two people the whole time very smart I I was reading that you write your films scene to scene. Yep but I'm curious especially for something like best which is a an invention in a lot of ways is a character. I is it setting in time. I is it story I like. How do you come to the decision? An begin writing something well. It is images and scenes. I have this I take a longtime buffering. A longtime having this reverie dreaming about things not trying to bring things together other for instance for portrait ahead like since the beginning. I had the final scene that we're not gonNA talk about but had no spoilers here. I had damage the image of Adele. NEL being really set on fire for instance not knowing. Why would this happen but had this? I ahead What do you do? You tried it in book. You opened up your computer. I wouldn't a computer I read it and I use only one file and put all the ideas and and dream about them Jim about them and and never give up on on the desire because those things that come to you I if you're not trying to put them in a storytelling telling you know if not trying to make them fit in this day. Stay as compass and they will be in the film you they will be you left you have to put them in the film And then begin to think about the storytelling And have but the unit is is always I'm always I'm always thinking about the scenes and not the plot for instance And trying to find solutions for the plots. What's within the scenes so basically when I have a list of all the scenes I into right descript but before that smuts the sometimes it could also be a line of dialogue for instance. I had Don't regret remember like a moto and I I didn't know it would be like part of the dialogue. Could be part of an idea. Could be of global philosophy that into my notes for a question later. So it's basically it's a puzzle that you've never seen piece together before exactly have all the pieces exactly. That sounds very difficult to to make make it fit together though that is challenging to actually construct a coherent story from that it is very challenging but It is very exciting. It puts Shuna dynamic where you're like hunting treasurer in a way. You like have yeah. It's it's it's mapping the film and it's actually fun. I mean it's challenging but I hadn't been always doing like this your other feel so naturalistic. I wondered if this is so so I mean. I'm sure you've heard it's very painter. Li The new film and very purposely. I'm sure but that the images are so stark in so defined I but your other phones don't feel quite that same way to me that so this is the this is the first time you're doing it specifically in that way. Well there's a reason for that I think It is that my previous films. They were no shot. Shot reverse shot very few very few you explain to the listeners. With means well it means like if we would fill out conversation for instance it would be a shot on new you and then there will be a shuttle me and we would edit this and basic cinema grammar every film as short research. You don't find them with other shelter let me otherwise otherwise there'll be conceptual And I'm all about long takes and trying to find choreography of the body frame so using the Dalai Ula and and when I say about the relationship between the patron model I thought okay but this is GonNa be film about shot reverse shot. I'M GONNA have to do this and I don't have the stone Ebonite for this so now how but it's like you know you'll students also when you're right. You're like a students with no teacher like is student studying Yom Tom Film in a way and so then when I decided to realize that it would be it would have to be basically about shots reversal because the model is in front of the painter. Then you begin to think about to reflect on that on different ways like how can you make shot reverse shot fun how And how can you even build a storytelling around This idea that one character will go in own gays is because like if show on inertia then you the shot of the other person then. It's attention it's a dramatic tension so you introduce the mirror are into the frame to. That's like that is the third level of understanding. Seen yourself in someone else quite literally as the most well. I don't want to digress too much that blows my mind and when you put it in that context and that's being playful and that's harvesting an idea ideas and So that's why I think this film is also quite different because it's not working the same. It's not thinking about the same grammar of cinema so you're thinking about exploding some of the formal dynamics that you had settled on from from your last week films to here without a very purposeful choice. They were making as you're designing the movie. No it was. It was a total A consequence sense of the storyline. I must say so. It wasn't about Hooky. How am I going to renew myself? It was okay. Have this Relationship is is based on on on model the painters who well how am I gonNa should this and so our case will have to reflect reverse shot so it wasn't about I'm GonNa make different it it it just so gangly happens and you have to be honest. I mean he just to be honest And I think you especially at the stage Egypt screenwriting the more honest you are. What's going to happen like with destroy your story boarding of the film the most honest you are about that then the most playful you? We'll be with this. You won't become the victim of which you've been writing because sometimes it happens can become the victim. What you've been writing is like okay painter and a model? If I didn't think shot shot reverse shots if I didn't went through with this idea through the process of screenplay I could have I would have had less desire for that situation because it's also very relative at the movies is about about reach is a lot of rituals because she's GonNa pose a lot of times. It is set mostly in one room which can be you can be. It can put a lot of pressure like how am I gonNa have desire for that room every day like I had a great man grip is were great. Yeah that was like an extra on the set and hadn't read the script in instead with us for the whole shooting like on the fourth day was shooting in the workshop of the painter was like when are we changing rooms like never uh-huh that's impossible. Well yes it is so one of the ways that you build anticipation for that shot overshot. Is this incredible able very patient. Twenty minutes before we meet Adele's character or at least see her face. And you just see the back of her head and that I encounter in that trailing trailing shot which is just an amazing. I love that sequence. Can you maybe explain what you're thinking was behind almost making us. Wait to get to see her. And to wait for Naomi's character took to see her. And what all that meant. Yeah it's a The character Lewis character doesn't want to be painted should and we we and the beginning of the film's about that tension but the attention that cinematic tension of having the desire to see somebody's face which is could be the definition of cinema introducing a character. How do you create the appetite for face and especially a face that you have already seen? Because that's the paradox because canals face is identified especially in false people know her. She's on the poster shows on the poster. So why would you. I mean like spoiler spoiler alert. You know we know what face like. How but how do you build tension around that Which is amazing question to ask yourself And it's very iskoe can move also I'm not a bid not a Biegel IGA. I'm not a SINOPHILE director. That doesn't I mean a lot of films and I have this culture but another scene of director in the way that I'm not trying to dialogue with pass filmmakers doing quotes that whatever its industrial. There's actually a quote from dog man persona. Addison does it zone as a frame that is definitely a wink or a Demise this film shares a lot with Persona two women driving home in an island. You know. There's there's something there that makes sense. Yeah otherwise I'm not into this referencing the but that moment felt yeah. It's it's it's going to be Kokin yes you. There's going to be a little rebecca a little suspicion a little bit of that in there. That's interesting so So many of the sequences of the film like I said feel so designed. Are you story boarding every single moment of the movie so not storyboarding In the process of writing I'm always trying to to be accurate. About where since about about the cuts for instance. I'm trying to edit the film within the script. The film has been an editing process. Quick quick from Sunday I mean The film has been hasn't been the scenes are in the in although the way they were written. And the cuts are basically the one that will written Did you shouldn't in sequence as well no not at all and I'm I don't consider the scrape down unless I can definitely see how each scene is going to be a story board I what did I say. Dick Pashmina Lucia that. We're like like the copayments cuts well anyway But Each day before should rethink. Its each day before shooting an icon on the set. An until about what we're going to do so it's a double process Thinking about it before and then we questioning it's every day which is something that A because you'll building the language of the film and I mean at the end of the shooting you're probably more in the position to invent than at the beginning. Which is the barracks? Also I think because you have your building that this language and you you being to speak it more and more you learn learn known language of the film and that's also something I always think about when I think about the origins I think the pleasure of the the origins should be that they get to speak pick the language of the film and get it and be more and more connected to the language that district like it would be a new language and then they will pick it like for instance speech. Twenty eight is definitely an idea. Like that's It's like you own that language a number can break your heart but that number and maybe that number will break your heart in knife you know. Hopefully it'd be now if people say and that's that's what I'm that's what I'm talking about when I'm talking about language so in the process of shooting the film I in the last days of shooting you. Can you know that language so well that you can play with it even more even more. That's the beauty of. I love doing that job I think. Do you have a meticulous level of specificity in the script. The dress must be green for example like ours. All of that. Very clearly demarcated Yeah I mean the Green Dress for instance. Yes that's a good example but the way Mayans dress but for instance there was no color involved so at said they are something that I'm very that won't compromise within their things that that are open so that you know because it's cinema is very collaborative so and I enjoyed that very much so who But for instance for millions dress I didn't know the colored another fabric would be the style but I knew that I wanted to have pockets for instance that was costume designer. Came up with to the the fabric this idea of this fabrics and also colored. It wasn't really part of my world because another very biggie. Red Person You know film very few very few warm color. You know a But I I went for it was like okay. This is new and the didn't compromise on the presence of buckets for so it looks like huge shot. This with natural light Is that is that all earlier. Film shot naturally No and it's not shut in Niger. Light I mean it is partly all the exteriors. Obviously I shot natural light and we begin with this so it was an eighty shooting in Brittany We were surprised by a An amazing son which is not the case in Brittany. Yeah usually it's gray and that gray gothic atmosphere And well then I was when I have no control over their Raji but we actually welcomed. This says good news but then we had to take that light from Brittany to the castle. Where we're shooting in the Palestinian periphery? It's a very engine castle that that was an untouched. For instance. The color of the wall was originally. We didn't paint anything within touch anything but we couldn't than hang any lights on inside the room for instance so it's all lit from the outside and we had this big was really like we put a lot of money into this There was this very big structure with a lot of lights. Be Really really accurate. would I use Actually did natural lighting so funny. Because I feel like so many of especially things framed in front of the window was like wow she really was like Barry Lyndon or something. Something really feels that way because like twenty spotlights over. There isn't doing the job. Yeah Yeah Yeah and denied scenes of course a with the candle Agenda which is really you could look at every period just at the Kendall's and that would tell a what about The direct choice That was something that took a lot of time in a lot of invention also because as we could put an spotlight in there regarding the candle like do the sauce into frame honored and And you have to invent a whole kind of whole bunch of lights. We'd rope lights mostly and understood would be like for just one. Kendall said would be fooled of rope lights very very strange shape and all the actresses will always Do you call that always followed by a guy who delights you know as they would be followed by the microphone for the sound. Wow so when it's long takes of Niane crossing the whole taking the stairs in in writing through the castle. She's basically she killed. Waste followed by your whole bunch of lights Because obviously the can deliver anything. But you could. You could also make that decision. It's whole Kendall. It's like as I understand that it's very hard to do. It is sort of. Why ask also that choreography that you must have been doing just to use that? Lighting rig must have been really difficult all to pull off and was under the most difficult part for me was awaiting because if you decide you know people as you make it beautiful while you have to give time you have to give time to deep into camera crew. So basically was a lot a lot of in. It's a kind of a I mean it's not that I'm a smoker so I can wait. It's not about the vote that have to wait in an on board. It's the fact that well it's time you have less time. We actresses it's strong decision Let him dead. We took it. I love the way that you've capture the act of painting in the movie. It's so tactile. How did you? Who is that? Who who is the painter in the film? I assume it's not Naomi had no okay So who is that. What how did that happen Yeah really wanted to show A painter at work. That's that's also why we chose to should digital we very very high resolution which was also a decision that had consequences wants is because regarding focus. It was very very narrow window. Actress would really can train them. Their whole body would more than focusing. It was like a lost. A lot of sweat sweated a lot some of your other water lilies on film right. I don't know if other films are also on film. No Eliezer was thirty five. Just tomboy was shot with CD CANNONS EVEN D.. Was One of the first film shot witness partially it's cheaper. I'm sure the water lilies and this one digital and was I talking to you about the elder painting. It was mostly about that because we wanted to have like to see the voice of the painting the colors the And so the painter I was looking for somebody who is able to do due to make to make it look eighteenth century but didn't WanNa go with a compass or a specialist wanted to work also because it was the film with A contemporary painter would be thirty. Would be the age of the character So encountered ellendale males work was the vicious painter. The film on Instagram actually Really fell in love with a work work to her she was she. Has shed been studying old painting in Florence in Italy with them. A maestro specialist of the nineteenth century that's why Orion is limited angled But it was mostly important to me. I knew that he was wasn't going to be like eighteenth century. Perfect but I kind of didn't didn't care you know it'd be modest in. Let's try to know the painting should belong to the film and so we work with a Weed Ellen with no interest or knowledge about cinema We were both ignorant of of how it was going to be. You know when you look at theme with painters it's like it's pretty rare that you get to invent a painter usually it's like the Bio Pico Letourneau Komo turnover of Angola. We know about your work. It's like about you know the pleasure of seeing it happening and I understand why. It's hard to inventor painter. It's super hard because you have to create everything and make it true Wondering if you had studied painting at any period of your life just to have access to that what what goes into that. I mean. I'm as I'm watching it as a know. Nothing I'm kind of blown away by the idea of someone just inventing a style of painting style on camera. Yeah it was crazy it was like the hardest job was like really the thing like luckily I was ignorant otherwise wouldn't have done it And it was painful also also because like for each of each painting it's Our job at cinema associated paint several several because there are different steps and we. We weren't doing this cornell logically That's amazing that's amazing Chichi. Nearly died and and chat to create several paintings the portrait on fired In the beginning and they're several paintings what we don't want that but uh-huh super hard but the beauty of it is that she would came on she would set and she would paint before we would do the Canada's whereas before we would do a numale painting but knowing he would look at her Sushi would see what the painter was doing and especially okay gestures stirs but mostly also the career graffiti the steps. How you look back? You can back in the gaze at the painter which is very very specific So there was a strong collaboration between Lewis beautiful to watch. Also how has it been to have your film kind of explode in a way. I mean this is certainly I feels feels like the noisiest reception. You've got in the states. Obviously you want an award a can and it was hugely celebrated. You know it's it's a big feels like a bigger amount of exposure to someone like me What what does it been like to kind of enter that realm as a filmmaker? It's it's full of contrast Say It's not one thing that's a I mean. The most the thing I enjoy the most is filling to lead processed Of the film on the fact that what do you mean by that well the fact that it does kind of a cult around the maybe. It's maybe it's not a lot of people but Stephan Stone I talked to. I talked to Todd Haynes a few months ago and I have talked a few times and the relationship that people have to Carol reminds me a lot of the relationship to the movie and not just because of the love story at the center of it but because of the Mount of deep like affection intense affection that people have for have seen it. Yup is really quite unusual. It is now and it is because it is a alleged enough story because he's been sorry it's because it is it hasn't been missing from the screen and so people get passionate about it. That's why we should make him very with. I mean that's why we we. We must be very careful because the passion will be bashing so we must make the most beautiful intelligent film you you know and that moves me the most because that reminds me of my own relationship with cinema was teenager or even even. What was the film that you had a built to her ability to Mellon drive drive for instance that is also a lesbian love story? That's why also was called for me because I wanted to see Zimin ges and the the fact that S- I've been liking lousy direct to DVD lesbian story having loving them. Because you know you I mean that to wait till I was sixteen to see two women kiss the onscreen but I never seen it in life other. Imagine imagine how lonely how ignorance of indoor talk how it goes but hackney ignorant of how you feel about this you are And drive was was kind of Oh Yeah totally from that film but mostly also because he actually It's crafted Narrative about love. Everybody seems to think the movies super mysterious. It's really simple and it's just like you stunning this half. The first half of the film is a dream about the sexy about the second half the reality. It's real easy But but what does he tell us about love. It tells US balloon drive says that I love you is always something that you say It the best like that's it because that's the most striking malone drive those two women it'll no other sin leader in bed and one of them's together. I think I'm in love with you and this this striking because it's mysterious but it's even more striking when at the end of the film because it's not mysterious at all is says that I love you is something always in the future and I thought a lot about learning drive. Why writing poetry? Because I I thought I have to find a narrative that will also say something about love. It's not about just Crafting lovers what's going to be the politics of love the philosophy of love that I want to hand to people and it's the opposite is that I love. You is something then you will always say in the future is is a census as always future. I can't target that anymore because I don't want to spoil the movie. You've mentioned it possessed from the movie. What other downsides to a movie like this getting such extraordinary exposure well the downside? Is that when when when it's when it's despised you very badly have you have you had it some complicated. I like most of the reaction has been so positive you. It's amazing but I've been the movie's been released done fifteen countries fifteen release of the film and From one culture to another say a French culture is resisting the film didn't do L. Infringe Mexico. I mean it did okay. But it's it's an international hit you know but domestically was Didn't felt quite understood. Msa what accounts for that. Do you think that's a totally about French culture. I think Like for instance to French critics. The film was gold was lacking flesh as the opposite of how Americans have received the movies. Actually so you know. I'm not here to comment on that. I mean it's it's feel it's a culture it's like But but It's it's it's troubling because I was I was really trying to make this combination. Hot like people do you. It's called it's like okay. She just I I mean it's kind of contrast sometimes stick it can be Not Hard to leave. Come on this. It's crazy beautiful life that I have the asking asking asking myself questions about Joe. The difference so beyond the obvious increased level of exposure in this country and elsewhere You mentioned that this feels like A. It is a leveling up in some ways. Do you intend to make even bigger films than this. Do you have a sense of what kind of films you WanNa make in the future while I'm thinking about it. Yeah My next dream so it might. That'd be my next film but my next dream is to make very very long foam like very long like television well. We're like an epic Phil. Not An epic film knocked television. I don't know that I mean I'm not saying I want to make six of Six mini series. Maybe a well you know I would have always wanted to to write very long form that I love TV series. I mean juicers of course but I mean it's been an his version of go. Go who for instance was built like a five five episodes of twenty six minutes right so it was kind of influenced by the rhythm of television but I'm thinking I'm trying to think of the boxing. Like I just can't tell you that I wanted to super long but maybe it will be eight hours of Streaming maybe we'll be but without episodes. Maybe it will be. I don't know I'm that I'm I'm buffering it's interesting. Each of your films I think feel like each longer than the last two. Is they feel. Do you feel more confident writing at length as well. Well when you're doing this. Yeah but the weird thing is that the scripts are always short for instance Portraits is only sixty eight sequences sixty scenes which I know can seem like people don't really know how many scenes filmed like a classic script would be nine hundred pages and one hundred dense in something like that poultry. It was like eighty pages hadn't so sometimes I don't have really the sense of because you know usually a pages as a minute so you like okay ninety page and a half you like those long shots. I liked slots job to find the rhythm. Also she get a sense of the rhythm life when you're on the set and it's like okay in continued a person is looking at you saying you're movies two hours. Why not just? It's not that I have in mind General Salim end every episode of the show by asking filmmakers. What's the last great thing they've seen seen anything especially haven't seen much because because mostly evincing the last two minutes of my film for learning work? But I'm GonNa say something that is maybe that step might seem conventional Especially these days around her award season but I must say that Phoebe Waller Bridge Fleabag as given than me. A lot of joy loves motion nicely. I think she's a great author. And I I I am just trying to beat her in the city. If you hear this Phoebe will abridge like let's hang out. What is it about that? Show that you responded to. I think it's Sir I I mean I feel connected to the project even I even feel like we have this kind of connection Regarding the philosophy of the gays and the representation and I just and I think she's a yeah. It's just presently direct too good comedy. I mean comedy. When is that goods? I mean as everything I want from fiction you're gazing into the middle distance looking for the right word. Yeah I think it's brilliant and I called wait wait. She which does next missile. I feel the same about you. Portrait is an absolute masterpiece of thanks for doing the show. Thank you to Selima and of course thank you to Amanda Dobbins. Please please stick around for the PODCAST. Next week we will be back to explore the film's Dump Ury and we'll have more conversations with great filmmakers hopefully talking about great films. We'll see that.

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Repodcasting 26  That Thing You Do!

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Repodcasting 26 That Thing You Do!

"Podcasting is a proud member of the Alberta podcast network powered by ATP. Had you ever watched the movie and wondered while the cast that will men or that guy. Well here's our chance to give it a try but re podcasting happy new year. Happy New Year Lucia. Happy New Year from re podcast as well. It's not twenty twenty but it will be when Dan this airs and when people are listening to it or maybe it'll be twenty twenty seven or any time after who knows people go back through the archives Asking for a lot I have high hopes. Well welcome to another episode of Re podcasting. I'm Lucia and I'm Janet and today we are going to be recasting movie that I picked 'cause it's actually one that I really love So a couple of people have asked me. Why do you want to recast if you love it but I actually even from the first time I saw it even I loved it? I did always feel like a couple of the roles. Could of been cast a little better. A couple of people didn't quite fit what I would have pictured so then. What was it about the movie that you loved? So much I if you didn't live I'd sorry if you didn't really necessarily care for the casting of like a couple of the lead roles. What was it about the movie that really resonated with you or made you love in case so when I was this came out when I was sixteen and when I was a teenager I was obsessed with the sixties? I felt like I was born in the wrong era And so and I loved the Beatles and there's a lot of like similarities between the lenders and the Beatles so I think I just loved the story it was fun it was light. The music was great The color of the look the the era I just I was all in for that. Okay Yeah So we just finished just watching the movie I remember. We watched it together while phrase for this work is yeah. That's true. Yeah Yeah So I have to ask. What did you think seeing that the media for the first time? Well I didn't mind it. I mean it was okay. I don't think it's anything that I would necessarily you ever watch again or that I probably would have even watched on my own. It's an old movie like it's from Nineteen Ninety six so so it is pretty old But it was it was okay. I mean I I didn't hate it But I don't think I necessarily the Cher your appreciation for it Definitely I agree with you on the casting for sure. Lake by 'EM MM-HMM EVEN while watching it. I was really questioning those lead roles and how they came to be. Yeah means you so the rules that what we are recasting. I mean just throw that out now. Is the two leads in the ban which would be Guy Patterson Jimmy Tom Everett Scott and Jonathan check. And then just to lake balance it out and to capture like the the main characters we also decided to recast live tyler. A Fair Dolan. I thought she was good. I thought she fit the look and the feel of the movie. And so I didn't feel the need to recast her. Thought it'd be fun. Okay sure yeah so should. Should we talk box office budget so the budget was twenty. Six million which I thought was a lot for nineteen ninety-six considering that there are no oleg special effects or Superheroes in this movie like twenty six million seems like a y.. May Be Tom. Hanks gave himself a huge I. Yeah I don't know and the box office was thirty four million so. I'm assuming that this movie did well. Yeah when it came like I to be honest. I don't remember when it came out. It never pinged my radar for any reason so even in terms of A critical acclaim. I don't know much about this yet. You know what I'm realizing. I did not look up. Do you remember if it if it was critically lauded four. I don't recall and I meant to look up if it won any awards. I don't know because I certainly don't remember it. Making a big splash. Thirty four for million is pretty decent in terms of box office. Yeah but usually. The budget doesn't include promotion marketing. So I wonder if it made money or not at the end of the day so Tom Hanks directed and wrote. This is the last movie that he directed. It's the first movie he directed. I don't know if he did the others. Glenn let's find out and I imagine Luzia Lucius googling. All of this season directed eight things. Oh he has yeah see. I'm not not a huge Tom. Hanks fan so I really don't pay attention to what he's doing and then what he's up to. And so I said eight things. It doesn't really count because the first four or TV series. TV movie And that thing you do is the fifth thing he directed but the first film right then. He directed the TV mini series for one episode of from the Earth to the moon. He directed band of brothers. and Larry Crowne so oh yeah he didn't do much directing. Oh okay all right. So should we dive into casting recasting. Sure I I'll just give a quick synopsis just in case I mean as as you said it's an old movie and it didn't make a huge slash. Maybe people don't really remember it. Although I hope everybody watches it I this ops is a local Pennsylvania band scores. A one hit hit wonder in nineteen sixty four and writes the star making machinery as long as they can with lots of help from their manager. Yes I I like that. The manager gets a shout out in this office since the manager is played by Tom. Hanks of course. BSO We'll just take a break and then we will come back and do our recast tired of paying bank fees when you can't remember the last time you went into a branch you spoke. ATP listened and they've created a no monthly monthly fee digital account with a line of credit that makes banking work for you by doing most of your banking digitally you'll avoid monthly fees and get unlimited digital transactions. It's it's twenty four seven banking at its finest visit. Att Dot Com today to sign up for a no fee all in account and discover digital banking. That works for you and now back to the show. Okay and we're back Janet. Would you like to go. I think you should go first since you you picked picked the movie so you go ahead. Okay so I'll start with guy. Patterson played by Tom. Everett Scott Tom. Everett Scott has been talked about on re podcasting before Chris we recast la La land only because of him because other than that. We both liked the movie. Yeah I'm just going to interrupt you because watching this movie. The first thing that sort of went through my brain was I now understand why Tom. Everett Scott didn't the much of a career based on his performance in this role. This is kind of what I was thinking about him. Okay well well. I think he was kind of odd choice. I don't think he was that bad. I thought he was fine but I do feel like we can improve upon it. He's he's bland he is. He's a little too bland for sure. I always feel so guilty bashing anybody's looks or anything like that on this. It feels kind of shallow crummy but I feel like this role. He needs to be a little bit more like a heartthrob you you know why. Because he's in a band. Yes because people in bands are hot and even sometimes I find myself being like Oh that a guy looks hot because he's got a guitar drums or whatever and I did not feel that with Guy Patterson's character and here's the thing whoever. Whoever actually pays attention to the drummer? That's awful nobody. It's true though. I liked drummer. I don't know the drummer is not necessarily thoroughly someone that you zero in on that unless like he is lake ridiculously obscenely super hot. Because otherwise you're paying paying attention to lay. who sort of fronting the band usually? It's the singer or a lake. The you know guitar people or whatever a good Turkey lake. The usually the drummer is not someone that you necessarily check. I agree I don't know I while I totally agree with that. I think because Guy Patterson is kind of well. He's the lead character in the movie. That's that's true. He may not be the leader of the band but even some ways if they treat them like that but he is the lead character in the movie so I definitely want somebody a little hotter in that role so I went and with James Marsden. Okay Yeah So. And also he was in hairspray. He definitely sings. I not sure if he plays any instruments but he he definitely has musical talent. He also Do you remember the show ally mcbeal. Yes so there was a bar that all the lawyers would hang out in they were always be musical performances. He was a performer on. Oh really episodes. Yeah and you know. He's really handsome but he does have kind of like a boy boy next door so he felt like a good fit for guy. Yeah I like James Marsden funny. I often when I see James Marsden because I often forget about him and then when I see him in different roles I I'm always like odd James Marsden because he seems so underrated and I always wonder why he doesn't have more of a career than he does is like I almost feel like you know James Marsden kind of even though he were consistently it's not like he's an out of work actor not by any means but I always feel like he should be like a bigger deal than he is say agree and he to me has the look to like he has. He's very cute he's he's always good and everything I'd see his. He's very talented absolutely absolutely and so I agree with you. That he should be a bigger star than he. Yeah Yeah I'm not sure why. But maybe this could have catapulted his career ally. That's that's what I'm thinking into like. Maybe this was the thing that could have really lake jump-started him into being like a more of like a household name. Yeah more leading man and although he is the lead in the new sonic the hedgehog movie her okay so then the next role will but I cast was fade. Dolan played by live tyler Again I already mentioned. I think that I liked her in this. She was definitely doing a lot. What at that time? She was in empire records. She she had kind of like Armageddon would have been around this time. Maybe a bit later but you know she was. I think a household name for teenagers at the very least And I did like her in this but I think that reese witherspoon would have brought something something kind of fun to it. Okay Yeah Age wise. They're about the same age and re certainly has the like sweet good girl feel And PLEASANTVILLE was a couple of years after that but she was playing character from the fifties or shoot. It's been a long time. Since I've seen pleasant place. Either goes into the fifties. She was a current character going into the fifties or she was a character the fifties but either way She kind of fit that. Look of like that. Kinda teeny Bopper time and I think that she would have been and released. Sweetened funding that. Okay Yeah I could see her in that role okay and then for actually. I also had a second choice for a day Elissa Milano. I think I would have liked to have seen those really. Yeah the only reason that she wasn't my first choice is because I feel like around on that time she was more focusing on being the sexy bad girl. I don't know I feel like listen. Milano film career never never really took off. No like she's always and I'm not saying that she's a bad actor. I'm just saying that I think she I don't know like she never made that transition from TV film. No she didn't end except in little Italy yes and and I. I don't know I just have a hard time. Picturing her in film roles like I think of her always I associate her with as like a solid. TV TV actor She did get charmed like a year or two after this move became and then she was on that for a long time Okay so for the last role. Jimmy played by Jonathan Check again. I feel so icky saying it. But he's the lead. He's the lead singer lead guitarist he needs to be hotter. Really See. It's it's funny that you say that because Jonathan Shack was lake people thought he was really hot back in the day. Yeah he was pretty popular. Okay I remember he was kind and if a big thing or I don't know that's interesting because the first time I remember seeing him in anything was in that thing you do and I literally don't remember seeing him in anything anything else since. Oh really yeah no. He was a big deal. I just can't remember lake. But yeah because he was married to Christina Christina applegate he was yeah he was and he was like this heartthrob that everyone thought was so good. Looking okay I wonder if it's because of Christina applegate that I don't know we I like I can't remember exactly what he did but I do remember that he he was kind of a big deal and people thought he was like really hot. Okay well I met with someone who I think is better looking and certainly someone who like like I thought was better looking in nineteen ninety six. Okay I'm going to interrupt you so looks aside like why did you think of his acting i. I thought he was very bland in this. The performance was bland. He wasn't doing anything interesting being he was very obvious. I'm not sure what the right word is. But it's like yeah you're the bad guy. Okay like he kind. I don't know I didn't feel like he did anything special national okay So with Ryan Phillipi Philly O.. Rien Phil Affair. Yes so he did cruel rule intentions and I know what you did last summer and I feel like that he is good at subtly being a bad guy kind of thing like you can see where he can be where someone like. Fay would fall for him and stay with him as long as she did. Because that guy was just a dick the way that John will not honestly her. Yeah for sure but if felt like it was just way too overt and like just watching seeing them together unlike why would put up with this at all and granted. They've already been together for two and a half year so we don't know how he was during the first year or two ears. Whatever of their relationship but didn't buy it and I feel like Ryan? Fila Bay is a little more charming little more sexy and so I could see how somebody might stick around longer than they should. I think that's funny. Okay while it's funny that you picked Ryan Philip because he is reese Witherspoon 's ex-husband Shrek. And this would have been before they met. Actually 'cause they met I in nine hundred ninety nine due doing the cruel intentions all right okay. So yeah so they would have met a few years earlier. I it's you know it's funny right Filipi Lake. He's another one. I I mean he's had a career certainly but I always am sort of surprised that he's had a career sure because he's really not a good actor or at least don't think so. No I don't think he is like I've never seen Ryan Philipe. Do anything that has been interesting. I liked him improvement really. Yeah Yeah No. I don't know I've never. I've never really understood understood why I mean I do understand why he's gotten work because you know he was really early. Good looking back in the day and I think that steam certainly propelled him right into a lot of the roles that he hide but in terms of lake acting. I've never seen him do anything. Where it's like your I get it? I understand and I don't know how much of a career he has now. I don't know I think he was like on some TV show at one point recently. Okay I don't know yeah. I didn't look at his more recent rag rain but it also I remember not that long ago him having some troubles with the law. So I think that's why he hasn't been seen in much later okay so so You started with With Guy Patterson. who was Tom Everett? Scott who like I understand why he hasn't had much of career and it's funny because we talked about this a while. We were watching the movie about how he actually does. A lot of these hallmark Christmas movies. which is that is how Tom Everett? Scott career has sort of devolved because ESAT ESAT homework money. Yeah well I mean. Listen those hallmark movies have a huge rabid fan base so to lake. You know obviously really there. There is some money I guess in those. I guess. Those projects are somewhat lucrative. But it's interesting because like I don't know that much about Oh Tom. Everett Scott's body of work like I don't know if that thing you do was sort of his first major role but like I said like I I understand why perhaps his career didn't take off. It was his film debut he had done TV things. Because I don't know like I just don't think he brings anything really riveting to the table as as an actor like he's to me he's very bland and absolutely like when I see him in these hallmark movies. I'm like yes you found your home. That's exactly where you belong. Is doing that sort of work. Because I don't think that he has the ability to lake. Elevate anything so I didn't particularly securely care for him in this role and I don't really think he I don't think much of him as an actor so this is obviously obviously the the main role in the movie this Guy Patterson so I don't know I find it interesting that the budget was twenty six million and yet Tom. Hanks didn't really have any big names in the lead role. Yes I agree where that twenty six million so I felt like the guy. Patterson role should have had like a bigger name. So I went with Johnny Depp. Oh Yeah And I mean that would have been pretty early ish in Johnny Depp's career but he would have known who he was. I mean obviously. He didn't have like the name. Power her die. You know he does later on in his career but people would have already known who he was he was like starting to be Better known and Johnny Depp certainly is is lake. He definitely has a an interest in music. Like he's got his own band now and he's been playing for years right so I would have flake to have seen what he would have done with the Guy Patterson role I think he could've played it and brought Lak- a different sort of energy to it. He certainly would have been a more interesting guy. Patterson I think he would have imbued him with like a different sort of energy and I think he just would have done a better job like Tom. Everett Scott to me is just so bland and boring And Yeah so I would have liked to seen what Johnny Depp would've done with that. And then in say live tyler. I don't have anything against live tyler like I again. I thought she was fine. I mean like she was okay and she certainly. It's like you said Lake in the nineties. I feel like she was sort of everywhere aware and she certainly was popular with teenage boys. Yeah and so. She had lake that period. The ad where she was like in everything and she was like a really hot commodity but I've never really thought that she had like major ager acting skill yet. She's very pretty and you know. Obviously I'm sure that's why. She got a lot of the work that she did right. She's very attractive. But yeah I I'd have to agree with you. I don't think that she's she's not somebody who I would call out as a bad actor but also she's not someone who I would point to as like. Wow she's such a good actor no no no so I wonder if you know. She got the role because she she was just kind of popular at the time. And I don't know anyways as we were watching it and I mentioned this in I don't understand why Shirley elise therein wasn't cast as FE. 'cause I think like obviously Shirley's Sharon wasn't well known yet yet at time definitely so I guess maybe they wanted an actor in the role who had like a little bit more name recognition but I think Shirley staring rain is certainly a better actor. Kanter um when you can hear her to live tyler and I think she would have been a really good fe like I. I would've liked to have seen what she would have done with. I think she would have done more than white live. Tyler gave us. I think that's fair. I think that's so great So Yeah Shirley. Sharon is in this movie in a much smaller role as guys Girlfriend in Erie Pennsylvania and I did just want to mention Johnson to brought her up that because She hadn't been in much at this point right almost nothing and Tom Hanks wrote on her script that he gave her for this movie. No matter what I will always claim to have discovered you because he apparently when he saw she was the first person cast in the movie. Oh really yeah and I guess like when he saw her he was like. Oh she's going to be a big star. Well he was right. Yeah but Yeah Lake. I don't know I think she I think maybe she was a bit wasted in that role and I get it. She like she probably hadn't done much much And so she was relatively new on the scene. I I think she would have been a better fe your opinion and then for the Jonathan Shack role of Jimmy so. I didn't Mine Jonathan Shack in the role lake. I don't know that I agree with with what you were saying. I think the rule weren't certainly not supposed to like Jimmy. Of course Jimmy is. I think sort of that classic lake jerk of the band who has like the Super Big. He's the Justin Timberlake of the ban. Okay and so to speak. So he's like the guy who has like the really big ego and he's the difficult one and he's the one who you know is like from the start you know. Jimmy is GonNa be the one who has like the massive ego and he's going to be a problem the band so thought like he did a pretty good job channeling that because you're certainly watching it going. God I hate this sky earlier. Mattis this guy is a super jerk like I am not liking him so I mean in that respect. I think Jonathan Shack did his job. Because you're not supposed to sympathize with the character I don't think By again like I don't know I feel feel like it could have been a bigger. Maybe not a bigger name but like why Jonathan Shack it just seems like a random choice for that role. Yeah and I don't know maybe I fake. I didn't do enough research on Jonathan within check. I don't know what he was doing back in the nineties but lake the fact that he got the role I think is kind of of interesting anyway. Hey this is probably not an obvious choice. I think you're GONNA laugh at this one but I actually went with John. stamos I know Lucius face is awesome right now. Oh Yeah John Steam OHS does. He's he's a drummer's you lost him as seeing things 'cause John stamos has been in a A what is it it a beach boys cover band okay for. He's been part of that for many many years. litz visa uncle Jesse's to jam audible house. But you don't want it for some reason when I see these like super arrogant characters. I always think of John. John Stamos to me that he has that presence that that sort of he carries himself like that I could see him kind of being like a difficult eagle monster and lake. I don't know it was Jonathan Shack. Any more of a a star than John Stamos was in the ninety. Not at all so I don't know like John stamos. I know a lot. The people he's never really made that transition he's another he's never really made that transition from TV film but I feel feel like he could have played this rule but I don't know I for some raising money while I was watching it. I was thinking I could really see. Ah John stamos in this role. I don't know why I think we're I'm really struggling because there are like in some ways I'm like okay. Yeah like the arrogant part. Yeah and he is good looking and he was a bigger name and he can use looking. He's got good hair even dare even day. John stamos most still has an amazing like a head of hair. That people are jealous of. Yeah no the character. Okay so oh. At one point in the movie they lose their Bass player to the army. He rakes off. And they bring in a guy to play Bass Wolfman Wolfman Man Wolfman to me looked like he was fifteen years older than the rest of them and he just kind of like looked a bit odd but I know why they brought him in and it was lastman. Ray I feel like John stamos would look like Wolfman their league quite a bit older no Johnston. You would have to Google of it. I believe in nineteen ninety six. John stamos would have been the right age for this role. Okay I will not as old as I think thank you think he is okay. I know he's a grandfather but it's totally possible that he had kids. Young in his kids had kids young. I don't John Stamos isn't a grandfather. John Seamless just had kids. It's just make a show about being a grandfather because he is one. No giants team just had a baby like a couple of years ago. That's his first first child. No Oh yeah Ya. Wow okay you can google this shirt by. y'All let's John Stamos Amol. Congratulations John stamos. I'm pretty sure is lake in his if he's in his early he's in his early fifties design that so I mean nineteen ninety six. Yeah I think he he would have been. I think he would have been a little tooled but Jonathan Shack Let's see oh by the way. Jonathan check had not done much before that thing. Ray I just checked it out so he was born in sixty nine. Jonathan check okay. So there's a little too old for the role to if you so. I'm sure they're about the same age. I said sixty nine right yes. Lucia is Google laying. Being stunned. stamos is six years older. The is not a ton Ya not much of a difference. Okay while I'm you're struggling withdrawn steam. I am okay so I did find lake some interesting facts about this movie. Because the four or guys who were cast as the band the rehearsed for eight weeks before they started filming to have them feel like a ban. Ray have them know how to hold instruments. And this and that Tom Everett Scott had never played drums. Jonathan Check had never played guitar so they learned some basics. But then they don't play on on the actual soundtrack or in the movie or anything like that and they don't sing. Apparently oh I don't know because I read that Mike Viola Was the one singing lead vocals. Because I do think Steve Zahn was singing and I think he is a similar. I'd has sung before but yeah so I read. That might feel a didn't didn't get credit for singing because so he's listed in the credits with just the title additional vocals but he was the lead singer and he was mad about at that but they had wanted to create the illusion that they were like a real band. Awhile Tom Hanks screwed mike the Viola over sounds like a yes. Oh Oh and then one thing that I thought was just so cute and sweet is that Steve Zahn was the best man at Tom. Everett Scott sweating later so I guess they got along really well on this phone and then the title Song that thing you do the studio put out like they held a contest and asked songwriters to write the song. I don't know if they already titled it but anyway they were looking for songs and then Adams Schlessinger who is the bassist. Just for the Band fountains of Wayne is the one who actually wrote that thing you do. Oh Wow okay and then the the song that thing you do is heard eleven different times in the movie only twice in its entirety. But like you know in various clips and things like that. And I don't know about you. I find it super catchy. Well it is catchy towards yeah I mean after you've heard it like a million it feels like anyway will i. It is somewhat catchy. Yeah it's the song that is currently on my ipod. None of the music that is used in the film. Not just by the wonders. None of it is actual songs from the sixties I guess the rights were too expensive. Where did this twenty six million dollars? I don't know I feel like we need to audit budget agreed because layers years later. Yeah because it was a lot of like first time actors. There's no way they were getting paid a lot of money. They didn't pay for song rates. They didn't have elaborate locations. Wins or anything. It's very bizarre to me. One more thing did you notice Ethan embry was playing Bass player. Who is Ethan? EMBRY He he was also an empire records he also movie called own. Hardly wait okay. Okay Yeah So. Do you know what his character was named in this movie. No he had no name even at the end When it saying like Gui interface to do this it said for his title card? It said not be player. Went on to do this. The Bass player in you know I wasn't paying attention. Yeah I really love it. I think it's so funny I don't know I I know that it's not. This isn't some groundbreaking film. It's not I don't know for me. It has lasting lasting appeal but it kind of very much fell out of you know. It's not something that's really talked about. Ra but I find it so charming. I don't know I really like it. Well well I mean it's yeah like it's it's a cute movie like I just. I don't think it's maybe as popular as it is for you as it is for the rest of the world. I don't know I like honestly if you hadn't had this movie lake downloaded onto your laptop. I didn't know how I was going to watch this for the podcast because I couldn't find it anywhere like I'm sure if I wanted to pay to download it off of Amazon or whatever I could I would have no problem but other than that. It's it's not one of those older movies. That is sort of easy to to necessarily fine. I agree and even like I used to have a ton on of movie channels as part of our cable package and this is not one that would ever pop up like. I don't know there are other movies from that era that you'd see every once in a while. Even I watched empire records not that long ago because it came up on the these channels that thing you do never seems to appear anywhere. Yeah Yeah I don't know The other couple of things I wanted to mention is that the hanks most of the hanks family is in this right so a Colin. Hanks has a little can't can't not even a cameo because he doesn't speak but he's the usher Ushering live tyler into the Hollywood. TV thing and Tom Thinks his daughter. Elizabeth is also in this and then Rita Wilson isn't it to o n Tom. Everett Scott was almost not cast. Because when Tom Hanks was you know looking at people he thought Guy Powder Guy Patterson he thought Tom Everett Scott looked too much like him like who like himself L. Flake. Tom Hanks on the young man. Okay and so. He didn't WanNa cast him because of that. And then I guess Rita Wilson was looking at the different like the video auditions or whatever and she was like Oh this guy he's cute. He's good against him but of course she thought he was cute. He looks like in the Tom. Evert Scott lucked out with this. Roy and I mean he really wasn't able to turn it into like success successful himself. I don't know yeah he just to me. He doesn't really bring much to the table. No I get it. That's totally. He's easily forgettable. The Laura sure. Yeah he is he is were there. Did you find If there were any other actors that were considered for the role for no I saw I. I wonder if maybe they were specifically looking for someone without a name because I did watch a couple la videos of people talking about the making of this movie and no other names came up trust. Yeah so All I have left are the ratings decision okay so on. IMDB this movie with twenty two critic reviews got seventy one percent and and then on rotten tomatoes there are fifty seven reviews then got a ninety three. Wow obviously someone lake day. You're not alone lease yeah I am not at. I wanted on the record. I am not a critic on rotten tomatoes I but yeah. I think you've said it. Before that rotten tomatoes tomatoes feels like it's for millennials. So maybe it's like people who grew up watching this movie when they were. I don't know at crucial years. You know why it's funny because yes I do remember when this movie came out and I was probably I was no longer in college. I was done college already but I had a couple of guy. Hi Friends who Really loved this movie and one of them was a huge Beatles. Fan I and so I think that was one of the reasons that he connected So fiercely with this movie but also guys really seemed to be into. Is this movie because of live Tyler. Yeah like a live. Tyler was like a big deal. You know the guys loved her in the ninety s and there was no guy that didn't have a crush on live tyler. So I feel like she was certainly a draw. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah well I don't have a crush live tyler. I loved the Beatles. That would be where my connection is. Okay so we'll take a break and then we will come back into our final L. segment. Hi My name's Karl Marshall and I'm the host of putting together a show that's part of the Obama podcast network powered by ATP. It's a show that's going through. Stevenson SANTARPIO's entire body of work show by show and song by Song. Now if you don't know who Stephen Sondheim is. That's understandable. Not everyone is a superfan like me but you might know him. Am from this or this book or this ten I. We'll go so far as to label him. The Shakespeare of our time each episode. I invite on a guest and we discussed the lyrics of the song interpretations it's had and how it affects us as people keep all it's more than just a show about the knee-jerk so come along every Wednesday and new episodes released a can't promise you'll feel pretty afterwards but you will be entertained and we're back and it is time for John Town audio audio was working today okay. It's time for hold me close young Tony Danza. The segment where we cast Tony Danza into one of the roles in this movie so so I can go. I sure yet I actually had a bit of trouble figuring out where to put downs in this movie and I landed on a very very small role but I think it would fit him. He would be playing Freddie Frederiksen. Who is the singer at one of the Lake Fair that they go to any things the song Mr Downtown? That's great yeah. You may twenty dance performer. Absolutely so oh I cast Tony Danza. As the band's first manager yes the one with the Camper van who it was making he was making them Stu in his Camper van because I immediately pictured Tony Danza in not attornal sort of role fixing stew for these guys taking on like this leadership role. This mentor her role where he was. You know like trying to guide them. And I WANNA see Tony Danza in a camper van a That's a great reason but actually I really love that I love that casting because that guy nothing against that doctor but when he first comes on during the can prevent in their signing a for him to be their manager. If feels kind of like ominous ominous. No like. This is going to go badly. This guy's going to screw them over. I don't know and then at the end of the day he's making stew for them he brings them over. We're to a bigger name when he's like you guys have outgrown me so he was actually a pretty nice guy and so. I'd love to see Tony. Dan's in that role. While I would buy Tony Dances a nice guy. Exactly Nice. We'll done. Thank you okay so that would be it for that thing you do. Yes you never have to watch again Janet. I would not well. Actually you know what I would recommend. Did I mean if you are a Beatles fan if you're a fan of of live tyler. If you're a fan of Tom Everett Scott. If you're out there Tom Everett Scott fans than you should definitely watch this movie. Okay because you will you will love it. I would guess that anyone who is a Tom. Everett Scott Fan has seen this. Because it's his only major ager Roy. So if you're a fan of it has to be from this right but yeah I agree anytime. Everett's pants who haven't seen this do yourself a favor. Yeah Lakes. Stop watching his hallmark films and tune into this film that actually like could have been a career maker Acre for him but wasn't and hopefully you can find it to shoot because it's a hard movie to find so that's it for us and next month's movie will be a surprise. It's no it's not a surprise. Yeah worry Louis Well February will be our Oskar O.. Okay up Our Oscar episode because the the Oscars are actually earlier this year. They're owning in early February. I lean ooh So we are going to be recasting the lovely bones which is A Peter Jackson film I don't know the year but it's easy to find. It's it's not old the movie so Yeah Definitely Watch it. And we'll be recasting that for February case so before we sign off the lovely bones and winter's bone I always get mixed up. Is this one the one with Sir Sharon Sharon or the one with Jennifer Lawrence. No it's the one with Sertucha Sir. Sharon stars in it as well as says Mark Wahlberg no and regional vice is in this movie as well. So it's the lovely bones and it was directed by Peter her Jackson who everyone knows him from Lord of the Rings. Okay I look forward to recasting Mark Wahlberg in anything okay. Great well thanks Janet. I'm so glad we were like in the same room. Was this time. Absolutely all right. And we'll see you next six month watched the lovely bones and recast along with us by looking for tickets to major sporting events concerts or theater events in your area. Use The ticket. Resale site seat giant dossier seat giant. His Canadian owned and operated and the guarantee every ticket all of their ticket. Prices are in Canadian dollars even for events that are in the US you can use the Promo Code Apn all lower case at checkout to get five percent off your purchase. What does the A._p._N.? Stand for Alberta podcast network of course so find more than a million tickets at seat giant dot C._a. and use the offer code A._P._N.. To get five percent off at checkout.

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Greta Gerwig

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Greta Gerwig

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There's a little echo in this room. Isn't there Laura sitting actually on a giant stage in the middle of Iceland or not. I like that to be true. But it's one of those workspace places and so it sounds a little different than usual usual. That's why but if it sounds different than last weeks or next week. That's because we have Greta Gerwig here today right. I wasn't there last week and I know be there next week. Yeah I know upsetting setting but one time. I'm glad I'm here. I glad to hear too. I'm really glad that I got to watch you. You sitting at that table with Sir Sharon and yes amy basket hell everybody yeah exactly critics choice fixture. There was like the girl party it was beanie came over. I don't know if you saw that moment. A lot of what was it was very imperfect perch to just watch the crazy all around at at one point when Nicole Kidman walked past us. Oh Yeah and They were counting down because nobody would sit down. The thing about these awards type dinner situations is that no one in cares at the dinner because they just don't Wanna see each other right so excited to get to hang out that when the actual TV bit is happening and those bless those poor or managers like they just can't like please the duck. I know and are going to be the one who yells at Nicole Kidman. 'cause I'm not no. I know everybody I know. Well she can do what she wants. She's standing there going. That's fine I always feel like it's funny will. It's true the Golden Globes and true the critics choice that is True Academy Awards which we've been to one is That that Matt the at the I do sometimes feel like there is a mad dash to the seats though which is sort of like. It's almost like the teachers coming in and I was doing it. He was sitting here. Nicole Kidman did it look still standing almost childlike No one did it. schoolday flashback it. Is I work spirit. Awards every year talent and over like the cool kids smoking corner. Oh yeah all standing there and evidently Ashley own like forty miles away going. She's Taco you guys. I know she is really cool. She's she's intimidating very Especially in the cool kid smoking corner via just I can't but she's like a city cage group in New York she's she's she's got away. Yeah Yeah now you grew up in Sacramento. I did I did not grow up an exam. Not I'm not a city Sonic Sacramento. I'm exotic Louis. Normal yeah I mean I do truly feel that yeah I grew up in Sacramento. And what impelled you to go to New York go to school well I mean there is a lot of reasons I I. I had wanted to move to New York from the the time I was very young. I had a formative trip to New York when I was five and then another one when I was eight but the I wanNA five I went to go see a lot of Broadway shows other ones that go see. Forty Second Street with Jerry sure and I saw it was thanked teen eighty nine ninety. You know I saw a gypsy with time. Daily style I saw I saw cats cats both in New York and in and in the Winter Garden Theatre in in London but in any case they had this idea of New York I had an idea of New York had an idea of like wanting to get back there and I think I mean particularly forty second street from me because it was actually one of the last giant tap choruses. They didn't of that stretch of shows and it was just I I think for to be a five year old kid to see something like that was d- it was genuinely life changing so I always had that in the back of my head so then I I applied for schools. I was like I WANNA go to New York City so What I applied to Nyu as an actor? And I put to juilliard as an actor and I didn't get it but I- i- Barnard was Where I went to school women's College at Colombia and I was I hadn't known about it until I went to New York to actually audition for Nyu for theatre school and my dad said. Why don't we go look at Barnard and I was like no and then I got their noses love it here so then I kind of went all out and said I really go to this school and I was very lucky they let me in and then it was kind of life changing but I yeah I wanted? I went to New York for college and I have never left Except for to come to La occasionally and did you feel you fit in. Yes yes I mean. I felt like I felt like I fit in. Insofar as it was a bunch of people who didn't fit in anywhere else gonNA found their place and I just loved all those women didn't like I just they were all just so smart and cool and interesting and weird and I just was like oh no I want to be we just like them and then and then I it was like I found the group that did that. I didn't know I had well that's that's another life changing. Oh my God experience it was everything also I think because I was so I was always pretty passionate in an intense one. I was a kid like I loved things Li and I wanted to you know I had trouble not taking everything quite seriously. Louis and the hallmark. I think of most teenagers coolness is not caring. Yeah and all I did was care and I couldn't figure out how to not care and and then when I got to Barnard I just met all these people who you even. If it wasn't the same thing I was interested in like. Oh one of the girls in my hall is is she was she was astrophysics. It was a thing and computer. You computer hacking she'd hacked her boyfriend was that Syracuse and she'd hacked every email account he had which I was like. I think that the illegal but also amazing that you know how to do this like it was that level of just total engagement. That was new to me to be around people who were. That's just like just deeply into what they were doing. Well that's that's one of the things you capture so beautifully flee in lady bird is is that intensity of emotion yes teenagers feel and it's very real to them. Yes and you tapped into the. You're still young woman but still you have to be in touch with that younger self in order to write and direct. You know something. Actually well I think you know it's funny because we'll obviously the two films I've written and Directed Lady Bird and little women women I also equally felt that Lewis male caught who actually wrote Little Women in her mid thirties and published when she was thirty six which this is my age which felt sort of faded She also had a really clear line to that The those intense feelings and those kind of wild ambitious dreams actually one of my favorite chapters and little little women is Castles in the sky. And it's just them talking about stuff they want in the future and it's amazing and that's when they you you know they they lay out all their dreams and I was and it was willing. I grew up with his book. I loved this book but then it wasn't until I regretted that I was like she gives an entire chapter girl saying what they want in the nineteenth century and it reminded me of you know the work work eight already done writing lady bird like it reminded me of myself in the best way which you know and I it's just amazing to me how much As much as things change that that sort of that passion of us that's why you can read it and be like oh it's simply. We didn't advance dance beyond ourselves. It's everyone's been saying the same thing but because it's so obviously true that story and the way she set it out in the way she wrote it is still so fresh and no and I mean it's really. That was was the thing when I reread the book that I And I had read it since it was fifteen and then I read it thirty and I just I instantly saw it as a movie Instantly wanted to write it and directed and I. I knew how I wanted to do it because it felt to me as if I had never read it even. Yeah no way grew up with it. Yeah yeah and it had that kind of immediacy And it's Dad's it's it's a Sh- I don't even think she she. She really knew what far-reaching affect that book would happen indeed My Dad repeats. Often that you're not history while you're making it. Oh Oh you know. And that's a good way in the same way. Though that you know for you casting the people that you cast in both of those films and people saying Women Women Power and all that good. It's like yes but also you want the best people Oh of course and so the thought process is not. How can I make history? How can I do something that people will say ooh Shiny No? I want to make something excellent so I want to surround myself with excellent people. That's right no I. Ah I also think too I it's not that I'm unaware I'm very interested in the lives of girls and women and I'm interested I didn't putting them on film because When it is because that's what I'm interested in and and in some ways it doesn't come from a place of? It's not day tactic coming in in where lives in me. It's just out of interest. It's just out of I mean when you make a movie you're committed to being with it for at least two or three years and Longer really all the writing and everything and if you're not interested I don't know what you're doing oy you'd go crazy it's too much But I I mean you know in in so many ways when you're making a movie you think think okay. I'm in a movie theater. The lights go down the picture starts. What do I want to see more often than I wanNA see some lady doing some stuff? Yeah that's what I'm interested in. That's what I call them lady Gaga stuff. I mean it's just it's it's I mean I mean I try to be open to things changing and and like I. I'm not it's not like a again. It's it's not from it's not coming going from place for me where I'm like. This is what I am you know kind of committed to doing is a philosophical stance It's just what I'm interested in. And and and and if one day it becomes like Ono the only thing I care about is submarines then we'll start my submarine picture era. I don't know I know I mean don't know how much there is to do a submarine. Well now you're GONNA find out. Actually I think maybe there's like a discussion to be had about like of you in films like different vehicles have whole genres obviously cars. They are big in movies and Spacecraft's big but for some reasons. There aren't a ton of submarine pictures. o- thank start scratching that serve anyway operation petticoats five seven one. Oh Hey fantasy five seven one okay all right so we're so we're and then Yeah there's I mean there are some there are some but I mean I would say probably fewer fewer. Oh yeah well. I'm a documentary nut because I love that kind of Roy Juno. I want to know how everything was made right. I want to know how everything everything happened. Like what fascinates me right and so like you say if you're going to work on something for a given amount and it it is a chunk and then you finish it and you now have to do press death for months. That's where I am and have to explain at length why you made every decision. Why was her skirt read? It was a nice skirt. Did their time right. No it is a commitment in way it is it's Actually I heard Patty Jenkins describe it as being in Being in a relationship You GotTa know they want to be in that relationship otherwise it's it's go. You gotta get out unpleasant. Yeah except you can't get so now you're committed to the movie the movie now. No were you were writers as a girl did you. Did you write judy right fiction. Chirac a journal. Oh Yeah I was a writer as a girl but I was a I wasn't a pub. I wasn't a public writer. I was A. I was a note bookkeeper journal Keeper To be totally honest. Nobody ever said maybe I'd like to be a writer even though I was writing all the time time and I would right Anytime there was like in high school there was a like a Jew these homecoming rallies. If there was a sketch that needed to be written. I'd write the jokes for all this. I'd always do that writing but I was kind of like well. That's just something I'm doing I never thought it wasn't until Barnard until college that An acting teacher I was taking a class on checkoff Ibsen Strindberg checkoff checkoff and I had written a monologue. I don't know how and then she was like. Do you WanNa take a playwright in class. And I said No. I just write things for people to say. That's different than she was like. That is literally what plating is. You Might WanNa try it But yeah when I was growing up like I wrote all the time but MIA was all it was all for me I never felt public And so and I also thought everyone did that I I I mean I don't know if it's just a quality of being a kid that you you think everyone's kind of doing what you're doing but I thought Oh. Everyone writes for themselves all the time right. No I no. That's not what everybody does people doing across a until you ask somebody else. No because it's normal for you because it's normal wolfer you right exactly so that was I I mean I do. This is something that that I have noticed. I've said this. I think I've written this before I've said this before but I do think it's notable maybe it's less true now was true when I was growing up but I think you had. This was more gender thing but I think if you had a boy who was interested in writing you might say so you WanNa be writer with a girl who's interested in in writing very often girls are given a diary with a key lock and they're like like keep it secret. Whatever you said you just put it in this locked up book for anyone else? It's for your locked book and I do think there is something I mean. I had a little diary with the key for me But anyway well if I'm being candid so die okay. The key again. We just learned something that is also romantic this idea of having seeing being. It's so secret yet. It's for you. Yeah I know I. I didn't keep it up. Though at some point I just got. I wanted to go to sleep. I didn't yeah you didn't Wanna I didn't WANNA at first. I was trying to keep a daily record of what I wasn't. So much confessional. Yeah just Mr Day. I ate potato. I still right every day. I still keep notebooks and journals and all the good thing to do but I don't it's not It's almost compulsive for me. It's not what then it becomes habit. It's just habit and it's also just away processed the world it's not it's it's not even specifically like what happened what I saw. It's a I think it's probably now part of some Co Coping Mechanism for life But I you know I never. I do have problems while procrastinate writing as much as anyone but that writing it doesn't feel like riding. That feels like a different thing because it's now like muscle memory. You do it and I think it's a good and it's safer than narcotics well. Well that's right. I mean it's better. It's better than Z. And that's how they're going to start advertising diaries from now on Ben Narcotics. It's so hard I know I know where he's going. Oh now I'm GonNa ask how you fell in with those mumble Cork. Oh Yeah we you know what. Actually I had a very emotional moment at i. I mean mumble. Core I will say is not That was a name given host axle. Gasol nobody got together and said we're the mumble core kids because human history while you're making it not his rule you're making it but I had a very emotional moment actually with Josh Safdie at the critics choice awards. WHO's one half of the SAFDIE brothers Josh and Benny and I've known Josh and Benny since I was twenty one We met at South by southwest. They had a short film film. I had a tiny little contribution to movie giovane movie and we met we both still in school and and we realize we're both. We were both lived in New York and we became really good friends. We were roommates for awhile. I left on my couch like I mean very. We snuck into New York from last. Because they you know there were great movie makers there that we wanted to be and so anyway. We had this very emotional moment. Where like someone's like can I get a picture of you together and they usually? Yeah Music Roommate's like you know it's very so I'm in. It was a very special moment. And I think the thing for me about And those filmmakers in those films and it was It was Josh Penny Saftey but it was also I met Barry Jenkins and then time because he had made medicine for melancholy. An errand cats and reiver's so young and the dupe loss brothers. Andrew Pajamas Ski I loved the work they were making. We all took the work we were doing very seriously and I feel like as much as young artists need anything they need a community to bounce stuff absolutely. Because that's it that's as important as any other more I think marker you can you can have the dip further your career. But I don't think anyone does anything in isolation so to have a group of people that you know you. Could you know. Go to the movies as you all these different things or you all hate the same thing so you bond over that like you have someone to talk about the medium with on a consistent basis. Listen what you're trying out and anyway and it's very meaningful to me that like you know. Now we're in our mid thirties. And I can NC Josh Safdie at an award show I know well. They're riding the crest of the wave with the uncut gems season and which is a hell of a film. I loved it. I sat at telluride tonight. We saw him the the Verna Herzog and I was like back it blew ever wants lid off. I felt like fun and then tire theater with like what in the world is this and I was just delighted alighted the whole time I was also I mean I just had a sandler was incredible. I thought their filmmaking was just amazing and bananas and actually they where shooting uncut gems at the same time that I was shooting little women so josh and I were on the phone when they were in the casino That they shoot in with Julia places the Bat and all that and he was like yeah. We're shooting in a Casino Darius in their league and then I was like lakes in the rural Massachusetts and hey anyway I loved it. I thought it was a to me. It was the culmination of so much of the work that they've been I'm doing and and and and they're kind of particular filmmaking and it was It was just really exciting to see it and to see it with like no. Oh I had no idea what it was going to be. That's a fun of seeing things like at telluride which I see you guys at I love telluride I I just love it. It's what's special festival you know what's crazy is in looking it all of your films Greenberg is twenty ten down. I know so we we met you ten years ago. I know the how in the actual like I know. Where does it where does and of course my dad and I always joke about overnight sensation I think in the world? Yes you look and you go overnight for ten years yes it's true now it's crazy. No it's it's crazy I don't know I mean you know it's I. It's funny also because my my partner Noah who directed Greenberg Lindburg but Noah Baumbach some guys some guys you know. He's he's fifty and he's been making movies since he was twenty four. You're twenty five and he's making movies for twenty five years. He's made ten narrative films in that time and he and I. It was just the sort of realization relation with the did a retrospective at metro graph and And that's a body of work for twenty five years of filmmaking. And that's you know it's one of the wonderful things about filmmaking is that it's it's difficult takes long time time. which is wonderful because it's he? It's not like Tetris. You're never gonNA get so good at it. Then it gets boring like it's only ever going to be hard. Yeah there's not another speed it comes that it's just hard and it's hard on a new way I mean Tetris does eventually pretty hard. But like I got disturbingly family. Good at Tetris at one point But I that thing of you know even if you make movies your whole life life you only get a handful like an each movie you make. It's the only time you're gonNA make that one and it makes it very vivid. What you're doing while you're doing it and like I really always are human? I use when I'm up against it with something and I'm like I'm only going to make this movie once so I wanted to be right So give me the ball gowns. I heard her off your who imparted this. The nuggets not to me personally but I read it if you make if you shoot a film for sixty days fairly. I am vicious movie. And you make one compromise every day sixty compromises in your movie. Yeah and I mean that. That's a a AH kind of stark way of looking at it but yes it sort of underscores what you just said right now. The people I ah some observer might say why she being so stubborn about this way. What's the big deal? I know right then you have to fight for your belief leave for your vision. Yeah and also. You're the only one that knows. I mean you bring everyone into it and and an and ideally you have a team around you. And I had such an amazing group of artists with me on both ladybird and little women and that ideally and hopefully they're all kind of dreaming the same dream you are so that you know what the thing is before it exists. But like you've got to fight for it because it's not I mean no one will ever care as much as you so you have to. There's no cavalry coming and you're the one who has to be your own cavalry and that's I used to think that directors had a certain kind of personality and that's it's what made them directors and then. I realized that making movies gives you that personnel. That it's a it's a reverse osmosis in a way the yeah. Ah No actually no made a documentary Where you talk to Brian? DEPALMA is close friends with them. which is I I suppose not included in the ten narrative films but The eleventh But he brian said something at the end. which just I All all filmmaking is. It's just a record of your mistakes. Wow Record of everything you got wrong man. Oh that's a totally fatalistic. Wow is it but but I know what he means. He's saying it's a hard hard one you said to me when you publish the first movie guide all you can see his mistake. People were coming over me all my gosh all he you could see. Wow think like he was eighteen when he first published that Book Almighty particulars. But you know when you learn how young the beetles are what. I can't imagine making a film especially for the first time because you know my mom always says once you finish building a house you you know how to build a house right you know. I can't imagine you finish lady bird you go cool. I'm ready to make a movie now. Oh Yeah it's true the things that and also you only learn there is no one applicable lesson kept. I think on Lady Bird I was even kept looking for the one lesson and as soon as you think you have the one lesson you learn the op like like sort of like I see the thing to always do is to make sure you have them do it. You know really fast and or you know and then you'll get to the cutting room you're like oh no what I needed was them to do it. Release slow or like I dancing. There's no one there's no one thing and truly think so. Much of it is like why Building House or writing a book or making a movie. Were raising a child. Is You can learn stuff. You can talk to experts but there's no substitute for just doing nope because that's where you're going to get the knowledge that can't be satisfied because if it could be somebody would have codified it and everyone. Everyone would do it that way so it is. It is through the mistakes to talk about the experience of making films with Joe Swan Berg. Do classes in what came to be called mumble. Though that's a Glib you know catch tall but those were sort of semi improvise right. They were almost entirely improvised. Actually I mean we would have Outlines of we would have characters. We'd have sort of outlines of scripts we have outlines of the structure of the arc of a scene. We might right. Have dummy dialogue kind of like. We're getting from A to be deceived but the entire construction of it was we're GonNa there is. We're going to get there like that. That was the whole point of it and will was wonderful about. It was When you're forced to do something that's entirely improvised Yourself you're sort sort of self editor has to turn off so that that is good because it allows you to get out of your own way And it because they were so small it was also this all hands on deck situation so everyone was together all the time. So like we'll Joe. Would edit the the movies himself like we'd shoot during the day he'd added at night and you could just you know all sit together and we'd look at the takes and he so you know work on an on Final cut and became a way to learn how it was done. And and everyone if you weren't in a senior role in the boom it was not. It was but that was it was on a very bare bones level way to figure it out and even with the duplex brothers. They made a movie with him. BAG head which was shot in Texas and Yeah there editor. GDP was there like and he was working on things and cutting things and and figuring out what he needed and and it became like this makeshift foam school for me and Even though I just sort of went in a totally different direction in terms of I write these very intense scripts that need to be said exactly Ackley. I've written them. I very eight like that. And and that became much more interested in as my aesthetic depresses assists of making those movies as Coming up with them and acting in them and making them was probably one of the best things that I could have been part at that moment just in terms of developmental standpoint in terms of get figuring it out a little bit When you started working as an an actress actress for higher that sounds clinical? Yeah right what were you sort of. Were you consciously consciously observing Rebecca Miller Mike Mills Pablo Lorraine which Dilmun all these people. You worked for. Yeah Oh yes yes well. Aw yes I was consciously observing every part of it because they also felt like Even when I didn't get hired really after making the quote unquote mumble core movies and then getting An agent and which when I first got an agent it was sort of like I mean go ahead. I don't what are what are we do I. I'm making these movies with my friends. Runs out and then they started sending me out on additions. I mean that was actually even though I didn't get any of these parts. It was the first time I had real access to like. We'll what does a movie script look like before it becomes a movie. I have no idea what these things before and then I wouldn't get the part but then like power a year later. I go watch the movie and it'd be like Oh that's what it became. I see how you went from this to that like it became part of what I was doing doing and so I think for all parts of it whether it was not getting a job. I'm for or getting it And getting to work with people like like Rebecca acker like Pablo I I. I treated every movie like. It was an opportunity to learn as much as they could about what was going on. I mean I I mean even with Jackie when I worked with Pablo like I loved the way he worked but also I mean they had these incredible production designers because we shot got it all in Paris. And they've built this Jackie with Natalie Portman playing Jackie Kennedy and they built these sets in an. I'd never really been in this huge huge stage like that and saw the process of how that worked and And I was okay so this is what this is and I could see how this would work and And what are they doing about out the windows and then seeing what they did because they didn't do You know they didn't they had like the The painted back and but like that you can do it. Different ways so every films that every every interaction I had with the business of making movies became another piece of how I knew how movies were made And I think to this day. That's how I think about it. That's just because maybe that's the result of not going to school for it is it. You're always sort of half in school. Because you feel like you're a little underqualified. How will you had had? This is a great film school. Yes you had a replaceable to be because there's nothing theoretical about what you're we're doing. We're making a movie right. There's nothing zero radical. I mean I often think of like how many when you think of you know great directors and can you think of how I in different you know obvious in the studio system you had so many at bats And so you got better really fast and then you think of all the work that you know someone's like Steven Spielberg didn't television. Before he I mean he was wonderkid. But you know what I am uh-huh and I think I I don't know movies. Are you gotta just get in there and do but as much as you can be around them and But the nice thing for kids now an whenever people ask me what. What advice do you have? It's like I think it's even easier easier to make movies now than it ever has been because we and U. S. so much yet you have access to so much you can shoot it on your on your iphone. You can in shoot it right. Oh edited do all this different stuff. It's I mean and that's Sean Baker shut tampering on Yup and his turner his last scene of Florida project when they go to Disneyworld. Yeah shot on an iphone is it really is should the rest of it. Shot on fifty five right arrest of it's real life and then but for that because they kind of just needed to steal the shot and get it done. That's amazing that's amazing. That's a movie that people will a wonderful indie film. A lot of people wonderful kids. It was I felt. It was a real privilege to get to know him like a a couple of years ago. Florida Project Lady Bird with the same. He said he was talking about his process of how long it takes for him to write because he really embeds himself in a community and and I can't someone was like what are you doing next. And he's like I can't just go out and do this. I have to get to it in this way and Anyway I just think he's such a special director Darren. I'm so glad he's making movies but I do think he's one of the people who's proved you know you can be rigorous with yourself and and do this this It's even easier than it was when when I was starting out sure which is you know in terms of for? Ah when Noah's coming up film was expensive. There was not an another way to do it. And so the barrier for entry he is is different now. Yeah I mean you can it again. This is not theoretical. You can shoot a movie on on your phone. You can edited ended it and you can even post it online so you can distribute your own movie. Now that's right I mean and that wasn't available to know and he was starting no or anybody of a of a of his age ship bracket and This is just in the past decade or so that this is to pass right but what a sea change. I know I mean I think it's Obviously there's lots of things that are changing about filmmaking and the form itself of kind of everyone being a documentarian themselves in some level But then also you know how the form of what's captured on on a camera when there are new forms and new things developing. I always come back to is that. I do think that movies are durable form in the sense of like in one sitting that there's An experience it's somewhere between like ninety minutes and three hours or whatever it is that you have experience in a sitting and I think it's a I think as much as the everything changes in the way people see in the different things and there's a lot of talk about that and of course there should be okay and And of course everything changes but it's it's also people gathering together to see a story in one go. That's about as old as you get like that is. We've been doing this for a long time. I don't think that's going away. I think it and there's all these permutations offshoots in different versions but that. I think we'll stay. I think so too. I mean you know. Television Division is great and the new generation television. That's being that's being created now is understandably not only getting a huge audience. I put a lot of respect and a lot of engagement on the audience's part but it's not the same thing as what you just described. No it's different. It's it's different and that's better. It's just just different experience. I just think it's funny that the the idea that people believe that somehow movie theaters would go away way. You would never say that about a concert You would wear say they're gonNA stop touring because nobody goes to see them. No you want to see your favorite band or singer in person Ray. Luby's you know I I loved. I loved what Sam Mendis said when he won a nineteen seventeen one of the Golden Globes. He said I'm so. Oh excited because I hope that this will get. It opens next week in theaters. I hope more of you will go to the theater and see it and boy did then but that's what else greater full that's ideal because what he's saying is I don't. It's not not caring but I don't care about your water care about you. Go about film and then maybe going to see the way it's meant to be scene. Yeah I agree I mean I do think it's I do think it's funny. I mean I duNno no no I. This is a probably longer conversation than the spot. CASS gives credit like th that. I don't want to take over the whole thing but I do think I think what's interesting in an economy in in in is there's A. There's a tremendous amount of of convenience in terms of you know Whether it's getting an uber that plays music. Hugh have chosen already like this sort of seamless. Experience that you can have Or you know Being at home in the comfort of your home and all these things that do. Are you know amazing innovations and we have Ah the ability to take advantage of in this country but at the same time when you are when you go to museums uh-huh now How crowded they are and it's inconvenient to see like if you're GonNa go see Monet's waterlilies willies that's inconvenient? They are there they are there. They are not moving they are there and actually it's more or popular than ever. So maybe there's something swinging the other direction about it's it's this the sort of luxury of inconvenience which I don't know that's a that's a half baked? Thought Nobody I. It's an intriguing thought though and as you say it's a lengthy conversation yes but it's a but it's a really important one. Yeah now for instance. You chose to shoot Komo. thirty-five the luxury of inconvenience no. That's a very luxurious thing. I chose to shoot movie on film. I chose to Shuman Schumer movie on film for a few different reasons. One of one of the reasons was my movie takes place in a in the eighteen sixties and although they didn't have motion pictures than they did have taxi and it felt close to the closest to that medium so And I mean then. There's the practical reasons of in terms of the way. It looked it as they say falls off. The truck looks pretty close to how you want it to look so even though on paper it is more expensive or it is more complicated. It also needs needs less done to it later so aunts and there's another reason which is you know I can't. He uses an argument other than I find. I for many re film more emotional Israel for me for me. It is more not always not all the time not everything but like there is something about being on the set that shooting foam. But it's different it is different isn't actor. It feels different when they when they see. Check the gate something different right When you hear the film film rolling it you experience it as being on stage young? I'm sure because you know everybody's on their their toes loose Yup 'cause they have to be on their toes. You don't have an endless amount of digital Capacity so you can shoot something over and over and over again when you roll film it matters it matters. That's right it doesn't it's not. It's not the feeling that there's not that feeling of just analysts Endless Time Yup which idea of endless time is an illusion? Any Way Day on digital but Yeah with film. It's it's definitely feels more like that. And you know my DP. WHO's wonderful full? Yeah you're so who's shots. Just stunning movies for him. He was I mean the other well. He's he's barely worked on digital. He's like why wouldn't you shoot it on film. I was like Oh well welcome this is we now. We don't news like what. Yeah but he's French and he he works I mean he he shut Luca Guadagnino I am love and he works with. Olivia asked say us. I mean it's it's called the film we should say okay well elsewhere so yeah no but it but it was very. You're making a painting you use paint. Yes yes that's right But it ah but in any case. And he's very he's very that's that's that's the that is he understood stood that medium and you know it's funny to people say things like Now everybody's like Oh. It's so much harder to light. It's so much harder to do this. I'm like not if you know how to do it. I mean yeah they did. They did make movies somehow right now. They made movies. Like I want to ask you about this. Because it's a favorite brief encounter. Oh Oh my God. Could there be better movie. Could there be a more beautiful beautifully. Shot I know beautifully acted. Oh my God I love that movie so much also you know I was just speaking about briefing counter the other day and how much I love it and you know one thing. That's striking to me. Briefing counter. Talk is made by David. Lean and when you think of like be masculine filmmaking kid think of David Lean I mean he could really shoot desert's like you know like he was a big filmmaker and brief encounters so perfectly dictate human size and it's amazing to me that that I mean that truth that he finds in the epic he also finds lines in the intimate and I just I mean that's why he's such a great artist to me obviously but he I don't know I just just at. There's something emotional to me about like the the man who paints on the biggest canvas also took that talent to make the story. Yeah I mean I also just that you fall you fall in love with her and them but you fall in love with her. Trevor Howard Celia Johnson. She was married to a Muslim. She or is. She was an todd and Ann. Todd was passionate friends. Yes yes that's right uh-huh yeah passionate friends also very beautiful and painful But Yeah love that movie. Love that movie. What's not to love love? And you're and you're very fond of John. Wayne I understand. John Wayne's my favorite person who moves in the movies removed beautifully. He moved beautifully. Yeah I I love How slow he moves? That was always the thing that I just. I just like. He takes his time. The takes his time. Is this scene at Honda. Where he's talking to Geraldine page while he's making horseshoes? Oh yeah you know. He's firing up. Poor shoes offering awesome cool off and it's it's more than just a bit of business right. It's a it's a major bit of choreography right. He never stops talking ray. But he's he's it's movement this choreography. It's quicker famous put there's also Languid witness to him and he has the thing that I think movies can do which I don't know if he's handsome or not. It goes beyond on that. He's he has a Gra- There's gravity in a presence and a feeling and You know would say it's the thing that with movies were actors can become their own cinema themselves they can dictate the terms of it and in He had that I just. I think I'm also because I'm always interested in In in movement an and I think it's probably has to do with my background in dance. Just you know him anywhere in a movie. Yeah it's not you could could wear a mask and you'd be like no no that one is indeed now. John Ford Work John Wayne very often. They worked beautifully together together. So are you destined to work with Ronin a span of time or not. I don't know I ever ever play Irish in her entire career. Just one just just in Brooklyn No She no she and I have actually talked about the fact like You know I love her and I. She's my film making partner and I. I'm so indebted to her. Earn her talent in terms of what I am able to do as a filmmaker And we've explicitly talked about. She's like I know one day we'll have to make a movie movie apart and I was like. I don't like it when you were making movies. I I'm jealous. I am a jealous person. No but I I feel that way about all my actors but hurl in particular. It's it's sort of embarrassing to admit but like I have to. There's an overcome for me. I want them to do everything and I want them to be successful but part of me is sad that they ever have to act for anyone else but it's true you have a connection and something special now. How funny is it? Of course that Timothy Shallow may would go couple of weeks. You know I I know I know I know they I know that and also actually then Wes Anderson put both of them in his next Gabby eh which is really which is really great but yeah no? It's going to be well. We'll see we'll get there. I hope I get to make movies movies with her over the course of our lives like. I hope we get to do a thing like when we're in when I'm in my eighties and she's whatever however old she'll be I don't sixty how old she is Then we'll make some and they'll they'll they'll be like those old ladies they keep they keep that date the yeah and also whatever whatever I said. some ladies doing some some stuff. I'm telling yeah. Twenty twenty one oscars was registered with the writers. That's going to be like twenty whatever. Twenty Unease Fifty Oscars. Okay all right twenty fifty. How old will I be an old? You'll be forever young because you are in touch with your younger self. And that's that's what we'll keep you useful Yeah that and maybe the baby may be we got that is I had read someone. Said something. Similar to herald is like the indy dream. Baby Oh really Oh oh you together. Yeah he's making a tiny indie baby. it's Joe Swan about that. I just have kids to put them in your movies. Oh yeah that's true but it's a good idea you know. Oh Film. Was He what he came with his son. His son was in the film. And all anybody at Sundance all anybody cared about was his son. My son who's like Oh lovely little herald. I know actually probably he won't want anything to do with movies. I I the this. You guys joined the Peace Corps. I love math and football. Who are you a new? I mean maybe you never know Eh joke. That's what's going to happen to me. Ended with a kid who loves math and football and not know what say yep well we're about to get the hook okay attorney more than you wail pulled out. Greta thank you so much for being with us to really and we haven't said it's not doc. Needless to say it's needful to say congratulations on your film. Earning six academy award nominations including best picture up upcoming your second time. Achieving that writers guild the directors guild on Lady Bird. Yes no it's very. Yeah no and I was very I mean I mean I'm I'm so I'm so honored and I'm so excited and so he says you know for my actors there's two and Florence is just a florist. She's on top of thing now. It's while I know wonderful baby baby. A B superstar. I'm very proud of them. And I'm very happy for them and I spent actually yesterday social was in Santa Monica put. The baby in the car is like Santa. Monica got a hugger London than I saw. I saw Laura Dern who humans movie yeah and Shit was her than Florina is just like how amazing housing your workout recognized. Yeah so that's very nice so anyway. Congratulations Yeah you don't. I didn't even think about that. You that you and your partner are doing this together right now with your own. If each tried to up Laura dern having which which I get yeah buddy that she has so the best yeah why would. Why wouldn't you want lately? Why wouldn't you WANNA work with sir? Sha Forever who wouldn't in one have Laura dern forever what are the greatest actresses we have yup and also just and human beings yes social media. No I have nothing. uh-huh that's okay. You're you're far from nothing and that's fine. We just like to ask. No I have no. It's like they don't exist. You just have to follow her movies. I just wander around in a body. That's all I. That's my little diaries. And just start like sending the mountain snail mail. That's Gerwig there's only one and we're so glad that you are with us today. There's only one there's tigger you're the only one Jesse. We're the people find us at Leonard Maltin than I am at Jesse Multon on twitter and instagram and you can go to Leonard Maltin DOT COM for movie reviews book roundups and all kinds of good stuff all true through when also where I'm Patriot. We go to Molson Patriarch. Dot Com patriarch dot com slash. Maltin on movies. If you want to support what we're doing and keep us from going under great pressure guys no pressure no pressure. Thank you so much. Thank you against the next week folks. Today's episode episode. Maltin on movies is brought to you by Legion M. The world's first fan owned entertainment company. If you love movies as much as we do why not own a a piece of them find out more a- W._w._w.. Dot Legion M DOT com.

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Oscars 2020 Preview

Popcorn with Peter Travers

14:29 min | 6 months ago

Oscars 2020 Preview

"The HI everybody. It's Peter Travers. Here here with this special edition of Popcorn which we're calling the Oscar popcorn because this weekend on February ninth exactly everybody will be watching. Being the Oscar telecast on ABC and probably having their own little ballot. Like I have here trying to figure out who's going to win this damn thing and if the person I don't like winds pushed I put my money on. That's what really happens. That's what people ask me on the street. So I'm GonNa take you through these main categories and and we'll see what will win what should win and we can argue. You can find me somewhere and we can argue about it. But I'm going to start with with best supporting actress. Because that's how the Academy Awards those that's always the first award that we say Kathy Bates in Richard Jewel. Laura dern in marriage in story Scarlett Johansson in Joe Rabbit Florence Pew in Little Women and Margot Robbie in bombshell so look. There's it's a lot of good people here and I have to say right at the outset. That Scarlett Johansson is one of those rare actors that has a nomination as best actress. Chris and best supporting actress marriage story for Best Actress in here supporting which usually gets you to win one and that usually that it's usually that one but it's it's not going to happen you know I'm sitting here saying did I read wrong. What happened to Jennifer Lopez and hustlers? Hasn't she been in this game since the release Lisa Hustler she has and yet the academy you bad people have decided that J.. Lo just wasn't Oscar material while you're wrong but look we we have to deal with rats here and I'm going to say that the person who will win in this category is also the person who should win. And that is Laura Burn and Laura dern in marriage story plays a divorce lawyer and she's a tough one and let's think of all the Hollywood people that are voting for this award and how every single one of them I'll wager. A BET has their own divorce lawyer and has been through this process. Maybe more than once. Maybe two we're three times to do it. And they find Laura Dern Dunn's in this movie something spectacular it's also one of the few awards. I think that marriage story story is going to win. But Laura Dern has never won an Oscar. This will be her first time. Everyone loves her. We all love and big little lies and I think this is her time on so let her have it all right. I'm moving onto best supporting actor. Tom Hanks in a beautiful day in the neighborhood. Anthony Hopkins in the two popes Al Al Pacino in the Irishman Joe Pesci in the Irishman and Brad Pitt in once upon a time in Hollywood. Look you're talking to a big Irishman fan here so if it was me saying come up for the gold it would be Joe. Patchy I know Joe Pesci doesn't do any publicity. He basically sticks fix to himself. He's probably tough guy in real life as the gangster that he plays in the Irishman but that performance is amazing and won won his first Oscar for another score says he movie goodfellas where he was the most scary gangster. You can see here. He's kind of quiet dawn. So if I'm I'm giving them it would be Joe Patchy but the academy is giving this award and no one. No one can win. This except Brad Pitt. These other people here Tom Hanks Anthony Hopkins Al Pacino and Peci all have won Oscars so they already have the gold. Do you realize his full career. Brad Brad Pitt has never won an academy award game over people. This is it Brad. You're going to get in once upon a time in Hollywood playing a stuntman. It man playing somebody who's been around the business. I think it's irresistible for Hollywood to say I'm going to reject one of my own. Plus he was great in the movie. You seem to hear my voice that I have a little bit of a problem. Yeah I do. Because that's not a supporting performance at all that his part is the equal who of his Co Star Leonardo DiCaprio's WHO's nominated for best actor. So why is he in that category. I think they want to win. And Brad you might as well prepare repair your speech right now okay. I am now moving onto best actress. Cynthia Haribo in Harriet Scarlett Johansson in marriage story. Sir Sharon in little women. Charlie's Sharon in bombshell and Renee Zellweger in Judy. What Best S. actress award so far from the Golden Globes to the critics choice awards has it Renee Zellweger one? She's won all of them. So is there any possibility ability here for something else. I mean. Look what Charlie. Stern did in bombshell. She not only plays Megan Kelly. The makeup geniuses have made her look exactly exactly like her and Charlie's has talked exactly like are they love bio pics there so she should be really strong. Social Ronin is like twenty five years old. She's he's on her fourth Oscar nomination. This is incredible and Scarlett Johansson. Like I said nominated for best. Supporting actress and Best Actress. Cynthia revolt is playing Harry Tubman and she also wrote the song from the movie which is nominated. That happened to somebody last year. Didn't it yes it was lady. Eating Gaga Lady Gaga was nominated for writing that wonderful song from stars born and his best actress. But what did you win. She won best song and that was it so I have to say that again. I would give this award person late to search for Ronin just because I think to be that young and to be that consistently brilliant is amazing and her performance in little women. Is that good. But it's Rene as I talk about. How Hollywood would love bio-pics this is? Judy Garland that she's playing judy. This is one of their own. Did they ever give. Judy Garland her own Oscar Competitive Competitive Acting Oscar. Never and I think for that reason not only will renee Zellweger win best actress but she will win for Oscar. Judy Garland on never had. It's their way of saying Judy. We love you. We were so stupid not to give it to you. And we're going to give it to Rene in honor of you. This is how Hollywood works. It's really crazy. But if you're betting on this you have to bet crazy. Aright best actor Antonio Banderas in pain and gory. Leonardo di Caprio in once upon a time in Hollywood Adam driver in marriage story what came Phoenix and joker and Jonathan Pryce in the two popes. I look at this category and before I get into. Who Will Win and who should win? I've I've got to say academy what you have against Comedians. And what do you have against Eddie Murphy. That he's not nominated for Dole. Might as my name what you have against Adam Sandler who proved his dramatic chops in uncut gems. Like nobody can believe and yet they have it they only like to give Oscars to actors serious actors who played comic roles. Ause they hate anybody who's making a living as a comic to actually win this war so this year's been going along I've had this feeling that this was Adam drivers to lose that performance in marriage story is one of the best things he's ever done or that I've seen this year and yet there's this other guy and who's that other guy he's Joaquin Phoenix plane joker. Sometimes there's that kind of performance sometimes. There's there's one that just so dominates the screen. That is such an act of immersion of from an actor in a raw. Yeah Joaquin was scary. He was sometimes funny. He was always touching even though he's playing somebody who's totally out of his mind and a lot of this movie his in his mind. What Cain has been nominated several times before and never one Joaquin? This is yours. I can't believe any set of circumstances. Stances if you WANNA bet the whole house on something and somebody to win it's going to be Joaquin Phoenix as best actor for joker game over all right. We're ready now to move on. I'm going to best director now. This is one of the most exciting categories because these people will these particular men and save and because Hollywood as wont of decided that even though there were more women directing movies than ever before four last year. They couldn't find any to nominate which is of course absurd because Greta Gerwig directed little women which is nominated as best picture and they. I thought no I'm just GONNA do five men like we always do what happened. You people sort of learned a couple of years ago when you nominated Greta. GERWIG quick for Ladybird didn't give it to her. But you nominated her. The KADEMI is ninety two years old. Now how many women has given an academy award for directing one. And that's Kathryn Bigelow for hurt locker. Ninety two years one award hang your head in shame name anyway not knocking any of these men that did get nominated. But there's one in there that I would sacrifice for Greta Gerwig but you you try to guess who that is anyway. Here they are. Martin Scorsese the Irishman Todd Phillips. For Joker Sam Mendes for nine thousand nine hundred Seventeen Quentin Tarantino eighteen. O for once upon a time in Hollywood and Bung June hope for parasite every one of these guys you can make a case for. Martin Scorsese Z.. To me is a master the grandmaster who only has one Oscar for directing and then the Irishman is doing some of his best work. Ever Quentin Tarantino. Not No with once upon a time in Hollywood is also a peak form and yet I'm saying this category is going to between two other the directors one of them being the South Korean Vong June Hall for parasite a Foreign Language Film. That seems to have got everybody excited about what's possible and then Sam Mendes for nine hundred seventeen a world war one movie that is constructed to look like it was done in in one continuous. Take how do you resist that. You don't even though I think they would really like to give their best director award worked. Bon John. How it's going to be for Sam Mendes for creating a war movie like no war movie we've ever seen before so sam I think think it's yours but if you're getting out there and you WanNa go to Bung Jun Ho? You know you might do it because there's always a surprise in these contests we can't go. Oh by what the odds are we have to go by sometimes the academy saying I have an instinct for this. I have a feeling this is the right way to go all right last category. Are we ready best picture of the year Ford versus Ferrari the Irishman Joe. Joe Rabbit Joker her little women marriage story nineteen seventeen once upon a time in Hollywood and parasite here is is the one you know every year I do this. It's between one or two movies this year. I can't reduce anything to to the Irishman my estimation a classic one for the ages. Martin Scorsese. Ed Is Best Robert De Niro Pacino. Joe Patchy making a mob movie about old-age age about the end of a mobster. This is the punishment that they get for the lives they live. There's nobody in their lives there alone. It's a tragedy Quentin went and Tarintino. Once upon a time in Hollywood is writing about Hollywood in the sixties and about a time that he thought was the last creative burst of Hollywood Hollywood and doing that. Nineteen seventeen again the World War One movie shot to make it look like. It's one continue steak and parasite a movie about a Korean Rian family in which they exploited the people they work for and then are exploited by the people working for them it is a classic. These are four incredible classics. So what am I gonNA do. What am I going to tell you? What's out there that you have to say? This is the winner and I'm going to go with with all excuses. No excuses in fact to my love for the Irishman. But I think this is the year of Quentin Tarantino. I I think once upon a time in Hollywood being a love letter to Hollywood and being voted on by people who live and work in Hollywood Quentin Tarantino despite right brilliant work with pulp fiction inglorious bastards reservoir dogs Django unchained has never won a Best Picture Oscar or a best director Oscar. Never it's never happened. What better time than now? When he saying Hollywood I love you? I think it's time Hollywood to say to Quentin Tarantino. I love you back back. So you've got it watch the show and afterwards we'll have a discussion. ABC Oscars for Sunday. You'll be seeing stars. Leonardo DiCaprio Charlene Darren Tom. Hanks personal all League Scarlett Johansson. It's movies biggest night going here. Billy helped on the bell feed Margot Robbie Brad Pitt and Lsu Crew Timothy Shalam on who will win gold and the Oscar goes to be offered. Live Sunday eight hundred five Pacific on A._B._C..

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Little Women And What's Making Us Happy

Pop Culture Happy Hour

25:13 min | 7 months ago

Little Women And What's Making Us Happy

"Wow it is the end of two thousand nineteen guys the end of the year and you know what we like to do. We like to ask our wonderful pop. Culture have listeners for their help. We we need you to support your local stations so that you can support us and you know as I started to put this together. I realized something which is twenty nine thousand nine hundred big year. I figure I'm not kidding. You know here's I wanted. I want to read you just a few of the things that we did in two thousand nineteen on this show that we talked about that. We helped our listeners owners. We hope no a little more about superbowl. Oscars tonys grammys emmys Golden Globes VM. As that's just the events then you also have rekondo condo mask singer if beale street could talk parasites dolemite is my name Russian. Doll Captain Marvel Pen fifteen. Remember all that stuff about theranos that we do remember the Metropolitan Opera Book Smart. Are you guys happy at do you remember what a great year it was and you know what makes it possible for us to do this. You know who makes it possible for us to do. This does that Linda. It's our listeners. It's the listeners. They give to their local station and you can too at donate that. NPR DOT org slash. Happy that's donate. NPR DOT org slash. Happy that way we get to be supported and we get to beat all the other podcasts at NPR. And you know how we love that so go to donate NPR dot org slash happy. Greta GERWIG was nominated for an Oscar for directing 2017 lady bird. She's following ended up with an adaptation of little women that features two of her lady. Bird Stars Sir Sharon and Timothy Chaumet Ronan plays Joe. The free spirited March. Sister Xiaomei plays their neighbor Lori. They're joined by Emma Watson. Florence pugh and Elisa scanlon along with Laura dern and Meryl Streep Gerwig also wrote the script which makes some changes thanks to the story and the structure of Louisa. May alcott's book I'm Stephen Thompson and I'm Linda Holmes we're talking about little women on this episode of Pop Culture Happy Hour from NPR. Are here with me. And Stephen in the studio Glen Weldon of NPR's Art Cesky Glenville and in our force chair. Who could it be other than weekend? Edition Books Editor Berry. Hardiman Berry I'm so happy to be with all of you. If you're not familiar with little women and I will say. I don't think there are a little women's spoilers at this point I think it is such a an old book book which was originally by the way to books book and a sequel came out in the late eighteen sixties follows? This family made up of these four four girls and their mother who are home while father is off fighting in the civil war and then the sisters have various relationships and happenings wings. And things occur. Stephen What'd you think. The women are regular sized zero star. Very what did you think if I were an eccentric billionaire I would just keep Greta Gerwig Social Ronin and Timothy Shallow may on retainer and then every year I would call them all into my mansion and I would explain to them that they are to make a movie in which Sir Sharon is steely and Flinty an individual in determinant comment and Timothy Chaumet is huge disappointment. And I would just say go. Make me another movie just like that. I am so in. I loved this movie from start to finish my face just sort of leaked quietly throughout the film. I just loved swimming around with these characters. I am not necessarily a big little women person. I didn't spend a ton of time time with monk. I've seen an adaptation here and there I knew the basic contours of the story but it is not etched into each individual strand of DNA. The way it is I think for a lot out of the people who are going to flip their wig for this movie. I just loved it though I think first of all I have loved Sir Sha Ronin and basically everything she's been and she is perfectly typically cast here. I think almost every single individual piece of casting great there is one piece of casting late in the film that jumped out at me. aixing Xing Bob Odenkirk as their dad didn't but if you didn't know Bob own. I think he was fine. Oh God I love I love Bob. I think it's just I think it's resonating with your that someone else. You seem in mutton chops and you just go to Mr showplace I I really do. But otherwise Florence Pugh who was having herself off a year also in midsummer she is amy and just brings so many additional dimensions to that character. His amy is the youngest and she's often the kind of selfish unlikable one particularly when they're young she gets such in our. Yeah in this movie and her just her expressions alone I just. It's really like it's one of those movies. Where by the end I felt myself having an emotional reaction to knowing that it was about to end and that I wasn't going to get to hang hang out with those characters anymore? which is a reaction? I have to just movies where they have done such a beautiful job fleshing out the characters all right. Thank you Stephen. Bury your all your squeaking weekend with happy no I actually I. I love Stevens reaction so much like in some ways his reaction epitomizes the thing. That's great about this movie because I do have little women etched into have different places in my DNA. And I think the thing. That's so great about this movie. It's a great movie separate from that and Stevens Reaction Really. I think it also makes me Stephen when all over anyway while I do love little women it is a book that and I love all the and I actually have all the previous adaptations for different reasons. This Adaptation is head and shoulders above every single one. Because it's also a great movie about something else it is also just about the writing process about Joe is a writer later and and it's and that is captured in the book. A little more and no no movie has yet really plumbed that the way that this has in a way that I thought was was just brilliant. Greta Gerwig has done here is she's taken all the strands of all the stories and everybody I mean. Even if you haven't read the book everything you do. Sort of know these strands trans-translation amy's terrible lawry's like maybe he's hot. I Dunno all those Trans Exist. And she's reordered them in a very brave way. I actually got there just during the credits and I thought when I sat down oh I missed too much because they have reordered it to the point that it's actually maybe a little shocking if you haven't read the book if you have read the book but what it does it allows each character's true nature to come through in a way that is so much more true I think to the characters that Louisa May alcott intended right. I will tell you any burning. The book is something that has like lived in my soul in every now and then I'll just be out lake out and about and think amy like. Why did she save her? Like why did she go back in the river. This is the first adaptation or time. I've seen the story told where I thought he might actually picked her out of the pond. This is the first time I saw who was and a lot of. That isn't just about the amazing acting and I am such a huge Florence Pugh van but it is also just about poorly this structural change. That is a fascinating thing to look over the top of to be inside of I watched and I thought Oh my God. My husband's GonNa love of this movie. My eight year old child is going to have as many every. This is a great movie. Yeah and I wanted just to sort of scituate people a little bit in what she does. Structurally as we said the book was originally two books which is why it's made up of essentially two time periods. It's kind of a chunk of book that takes place when they're a little younger and then a chunk of book that takes place when they're a little older and typically when you have an adaptation it'll go and there are many including the for for a lot of people I suspect to listen to this will be the winona Ryder one. where she was Joe and Susan Sarandon was was Marmi and etc and usually usually? They'll just go in chronological order. You go through the young section and then you go through the old section what Gerwig has done. Here's reorganize it so that you start essentially in the older section and then she begins to look back on that earlier section Glenn. What did you think of how this went? Well I'd never read. The book. Never saw any adaptations So I went under the snowing only two things well three one. It's not about large men. got that from the title and to Christmas won't be Christmas without any presence. The first line of the novel learned a lot of first lines of novels levels at some point for some reason and three that at some point somebody burns somebody's novel which is the act of a monster but it also told me that this is that somebody the book is a writer and that Kinda tents me up a little bit writing about the writing process Stories about writers tend toward preciousness. Ten tortilla treating writing thing as more some kind of hallowed magical craft or something and that had me worried. There is no preciousness in this film. I mean there's some but there's not what I was expecting not having read the book I can tell. This is a smart adaptation. Why because the dialogue sounds so natural this this dialogue much of it lifted from the book is a hundred and fifty one years old which is not far enough way may sound like poetry Shakespeare and it's close enough to sound contemporary? It's GONNA sound formal. It's GONNA be stilted which puts a hell of a lot of pressure on your actors to make get sound real Used to some stiffness in dialogue from period dramas but there is none here. You can sometimes tell when something comes straight from a novel. But I'm I'm going to join the Florence pugh fan clear because she is. I think the best at it onscreen agreed. She brings this kind of clear eyed intelligence that makes what she sang sound considered but not scripted. If that makes sense you get a real sense that these are sisters There's something about that flurry three of activity in the house. The kind of musical almost noise that constantly goes on The time jumps didn't bother me because you know you're washing a different kind of lights on or yourself Very very well. I don't get I I want to talk a little bit about. I'm so glad you mentioned that kind of raucous nature of the activity in the house. It is very easy for a a little women adaptation to become very very like. Oh mother liked to to get like they're fun and they're having fun but they're having a very angelic Yelich polite kind of fun like oh I terribly want some breakfast like that very easy for it to that feel to it. It is a house full of raucous girls running around having fun together. They're not as attached to flattening out kind of MAG as the older responsible one. Yes affect affect the angelic saintly doomed one and or amy as the jerk they are much more able to kind of these girls all have different shadings eatings but they all have a great time together and they all love each other and they all play together and not in that sort of as. I said very polite kind of way if you compare. I happen to go back and look at the scene in the nineteen ninety-four adaptation with winona Ryder In which Claire Danes Plays Beth as a very and I adore or cleared aims but it is the very pure hearted saintly version of bath if you go back and watch the scene where the girls are all kind of doing theater together. They've got a little club and they go up in the attic or wherever it is and put on little shows it is in this adaptation such a fun loud sort sort of stomping kind of just really adventurous. They're having a great gig elite time. It's much more controlled energy in this. Nineteen ninety-four adaptation. So what I really love in the Greta. GERWIG ONE IS. They've really kind of let all of these girls be fun and interesting saying they don't focus on the idea that Beth has to be some untouchable perfect saint in order for them to all have the emotions that they need to have have about her illness. So funny that you say it. 'cause I actually. This movie was sort of advertise not advertise. Somebody said to me. Oh I've heard they're going to rehabilitate amy in this and to a certain extent what they do as they show you amy in the right order so you can understand something. But what they really do kind of his rehabilitate bath not to the point of living her first entrance is she's expressing addressing. I kind of wish I could eat this breakfast and not give it away. You know her shyness with Laurie's grandfather feels more like the kind of shyness. That doesn't come with like and beatitudes but more with a real pathology like she feels real and so as a result you know. It's the first time that I not an now. I sound like a monster. But it's the first time I was really sad. Yes right go well it. Maybe you know human being you're always sadder. Something bad happened to fully rounded person. I think that is our sensibility. I also WanNa talk a little bit about the love stories In this particularly the Joe and Laurie kind of the classic problem with little women to me. And then I'll ask you guys what you think about how they solved this. The classic problem to me with little women is and it's partly because it was two bucks that you spend a lot of time building this relationship between Laurean Joe and then she decides she doesn't WanNa marry Lori Jo so you get a kind of a it's all build up and then kind of it punks out and then in some versions of this you get an older guy. Sh- the jomie to was sort of a drip and they've made some changes to it. Here are welcome. Yeah and that I don't WanNA spoil. I mean obviously we some of this stuff. We're talking about one hundred eight year old spoilers but this moving make some decisions to upend some things and to subvert some things in really smart and contemporary very ways. Where you feel you feel the hand of Greta Gerwig exactly the way you would hope to? It feels like the kind of thing that Louisa May alcott like. It feels like the hand of get get Greta Gerwig is firmly in the hand of Louisa. May Alcott I think that may be. That was what she was trying to. Show us with the fred-boerre character. And I mean this thing. I was thinking these adaptations reputations. There are some things that were you know that react so well because you you can stretch fabric and not break it and she. This is a perfect example of that where she stretches that that but she doesn't actually render the fabric of the story and and as a result I feel like it feels true to the author I I do like the fact that Lori is allowed here to be kind of explored explored as they meet him kind of when he's a kid and he's he's kind of jerk undeveloped he's unformed because he's he's Timothy Sholomo. Yeah and I think you get that sort of. She's set it up so that everything that happens with him kind of make sense and has it has a wholeness to it The give him they give him an arc. I think this movie is so beautifully cast that we have been talking about it for as long as we've been talking about it and not mentioned the name. Meryl Streep Yeah like Meryl Streep Is March and you think like okay. She's coming in and she's going to be like Ooh Ooh and she does but it's dialed down where it really complements everything else. That's going on in the movie instead of like. You've got Meryl all street in your Arsenal. They're not over deploying her. They're using her. I think the exact correct amount and it is sometimes Meryl Streep can take me out out of a movie. That's a good point. Even though she is such a committed actor this I thought was a really effective way to use her agree. And I think that Laura Dern Lane Marmi me was for me a really a slightly different take on Marmi and I think it has to do with that raucous household of girls. Marmi has a little more joy to her in this version. She's a little less noble suffering than she sometime can be She can be sort of you. Know always around the fireplace fretting over. Oh my girls and all that stuff Laura dern has a real kind of she enjoys these funny weird girls that she's raising and she's kind of the neighborhood mom who everybody wants to kind of lorries very attracted to the idea of the house. She's running and you can and see how the warmth of it is so welcoming to him and see he's attracted to her not just the like the raucous of the house right but her and he likes your. I like sin in response to her kind of mother. Mothering Nature Sir we. We agree like two and a half star so much makeup bigger. I mean I do twenty minutes on just Social Ronin and how how wonderful I think she is to watch and this how just you know. She glows in the way that you want somebody to glow playing Joe March without being precious or you know. She's so appealing. And Shalam is so good in this everybody's so good in this deployment of Tracy Letts and you'll see who he is is playing when you see him Just loved it. I loved tonight. You can cut this this if you can. I do a PSA for MOMS that are trying to finish the book with their daughters before they see this movie. You're sure this is going to be controversial and I will be interested to see who agrees degrees and does not agree with me but a good friend of mine with a perfectly aged daughter is like out. Can't go see it this Christmas season because we're working our way through the book and I said to her I said guess. Guess what. I don't think it matters. This is one of the few times that I say. Go See this movie because it will. It will really sort of water the interest in the book in a wonderful way so if you are say the the mother of a nine or ten year old girl or boy who is who you really feel attached to let it go. Oh Yeah and go see this one. We'll tell us what you think. Once you've got a chance to see the movie find us on facebook at facebook dot com slash P. H.. Or tweet us at P. C. H.. When we come back it we'll be time to talk about what's making us happy this week? So come right back support for this podcast. And the following message come from the real real. 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Welcome back to pop culture happy hour. It's time for our favorite segment of this week and let's face it every week. What's making us happy this week Glenn Weld and what's making you happy? This week. doom patrol on the DC universe. Streaming Service is a show that I have held off on because it is based on my single favorite run of comics in history. The Grant Morrison run undo patrol under his pen It became a very weird Series about these misfit superheroes who have strange powers and battle battle these kind of existential threats. And it's just a kind of peyote weirdness at its core that is just fascinating and constantly unfolding unfolding. I just thought. TV couldn't capture it and they don't but they go off on their own direction and make it weird doesn't always work the characters bicker a hell of a lot and that becomes uh-huh kind of the entire show but every so often you know there's an episode set on Danny the street who is a sentient gender queer street that kind of can transport support from place to place around the globe. When I saw that happening I I wasn't aware it was going to happen then when I saw happening? It's like well. This is my favorite thing ever here on my television screen So there's something about that also Matt Bomer who's GonNa Complain Share. So that's doom patrol on DC universe. Thank you very much Glen Weldon Stephen Thompson. What's making you this week? A few weeks back. I got to interview Ben Folds at the Smithsonian a wonderful singer songwriter. He has a new book that came up this summer called dream about lightning bugs a life of music and cheap lessons and the book itself. Is this very funny. Breezy endlessly readable collection of stories. Each of which are kind of interwoven with little lessons about mistakes that he's made along the way it is such a fun book once again it's called dream about lightning bugs a life of music and cheap sheep lessons by Ben Folds. Thank you very much Stephen Thompson Berry Hardiman. What is making you happy this week? Well it is the most wonderful time of the year. So that's making me happy and I did try to tailor. My happy beat to the subject matter of little women because I figure there's a certain kind of person listening maybe her clicking on all the little things I had never seen the two thousand six Ruth Wilson. Toby Stevens Jane Eyre and I am a person that like little women. I've seen all the I've seen the Timothy Dalton in the mass banners and I've seen all of them this yes what is amazing. It's a great piece of television Iraq and it does something very similar to the little women. You know that we've been talking about in that. It has a very very clever use of time and flashbacks in order to solve some of the real deep problems with the book and speaking of those real problems that it solve. This is the sexiest adaptation. I've ever seen everyone is fully clothed the whole time. It is incredible. This one is just a great rape piece of television. It's really perfect for this time of year because you know Cornfield Hall. It's cold warm. It's all the things go sit by the fire and enjoy it and even if you are one of those. Mr Roth. Rochester Chester troopers. That's like well he really wasn't that handsome. Get over it because just go watch to ABC. News Roy Eggnog. Where do we find it so many places because I kept taking it to different from places you can find it on your on your Amazon you can find it on your brick box you in any of the places that you want to find it? Just find it and I'm GONNA get buried to save Brit box to me all right. Thank you very much very hardy man. What is making he me happy? This week I This is not a happy but I was sick one day this week and I stayed home on my couch and just like tried to get well and Net flicks suggested to me in the British drama series. Dr Foster and Dr Foster is there are two five episodes seasons The first one came out in two thousand fifteen the second in two thousand seventeen the lead character is played by a woman named Sarande Jones. And she is she is a doctor. She is Dr Foster. She is A woman who discovers what she thinks is evidence of her husband perhaps cheating on her and she goes down this path of trying to figure out. Whether that's actually the case. If you like killing eve you will see see young. Jody comber before killing eve. This central lead performances one of these really fantastic and Wadey eh anti-hero performances that are mostly men in prestige television. At the beginning she just seems slightly odd but then of course she becomes is more and more kind of obsessed with this idea that her husband is cheating. I found it so addictive and so just so watchable that I watched ten episodes of it in one day and I just gobbled it up. It is a journey. It is wrenching at times. It is is shocking at times It is incredibly satisfying at times again. It's called Dr Foster and you can find it on net flicks. I loved often all right. That is what is making me happy this week. That brings us to the end of our show. You can find all of us on twitter. You can find me at Linda Holmes. You can find Stephen that I dislike Stephen. You can find Glenn at G H Weldon and Berry at B.. Hardiman you can follow our producer. Jessica Jessica underscore reedy and our other producer. Emanuel Johnson at Emmanuel underscore speaks our producer. Merida's music director Mike Catt's of his Mike Pats if that's kt Z.. I. F. Mike's band. Hello come in provides the in and out music. You're you're bobbing your head to right now. 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Full Episode: Monday, January 13, 2020

World News Tonight with David Muir

21:03 min | 7 months ago

Full Episode: Monday, January 13, 2020

"Tonight the unsettling move us now expelling within twenty Saudi military trainees right here in the US. The Attorney General is now out calling it a terrorist. ACT The deadly shooting at a US naval air station. In Pensacola. What they've now learned the move tonight to expel the Saudis who came here to the? US US to train. Also images coming in now confirmed tornado hitting high school cars on top of each other more than twenty tornadoes and severe weather killing at at least twelve and now to new storm systems. Moving in one right across the country snow and ice in the east ginger time this out it could have been much worse. That deadly the attack outside New York City. We have alarming new reporting tonight. The bomb in the car the shrapnel that could traveled five football fields outrage the streets of Iran tonight after that country admits to mistakenly shooting down that passenger plane news tonight on the pizza'd showdown win. Will the trial begin. And is there any chance it could be dismissed in the Senate the key meeting tomorrow. The candidates dropping out of the race for President Tonight American family swept out to sea. Right off the coach of the US that desperate. Search the queen tonight allowing Prince Harry and Duchess Mega. Create that new life but the clues and the Queen's own words the major league cheating scandal the Houston Astros general manager and manager. Both fired officials say they pulled off their feet before they got caught the volcano emergency the evacuations underway tonight and tiger. Woods ten year old son at his golf swing this is. ABC News Tonight with David Muir visiting in his started another week with all of you at home and we begin tonight with an alarming development this evening the US now forcing out at least twenty one Saudis who had come come to this country for training some of them flight training but tonight federal authorities say they're extremist views were discovered in the wake of that deadly attack at the US Naval Air Station. Pensacola we reported here on the Saudi student armed with a handgun going on a rampage. Just weeks ago at that base and tonight the attorney general now calling it. An Act of terrorism quote motivated divided motivated by Jihadist ideology. Three young sailors were killed. Eight others were injured before. The gunman was taken down tonight. What was now discovered and why those twenty-one Saudis bodies are being kicked out of the US ABC's chief justice correspondent? Pierre Thomas Leading US off weeks after that horrific mass shooting at the Pensacola Hola naval station. twenty-one Sally nationals are being sent back to Saudi Arabia this after authorities say they made a chilling discovery. At least seventeen military trainees. Rainey's were found with Jihadi literature and fifteen with child porn on their computers. I do think it's clear that we have to improve our vetting procedures a sensitive issue for the US considering fifteen of the nineteen hijackers in the nine eleven attack were Saudis that Saudi pilot who gunned down three sailors and wounded eight others was a radical radical who the FBI says was secretly planning to kill his American colleagues for months. Just two hours. Before the shooting Lieutenant Mohammed Sayed al-Shamrani was was allegedly reading and posting jihadi messages on social media he harbored anti US military an anti Israel sentiments and then he thought violence was necessary to defend Muslim countries. New evidence revealed today suggests al-Sham writing was planning a large scale massacre. He had more than one hundred and eighty rounds of ammunition for a handgun which had an extended magazine so far the FBI has no evidence. The gunman killed at the scene. Had others others helping him but agents are scrambling to access his too badly damaged. IPHONES authorities say apple so far has been unwilling to help. It's the same problem. Investigators his face after the San Bernardino terror attack in two thousand fifteen call on apple and other technology companies to help us find a solution. We have heard that question before. And Pierre Thomas with us live again tonight from the Justice Department appear authorities do believe that these phones could be key to finding out whether the gunman had any accomplices. His that's right David the FBI says they found no evidence of support but it's clearly extremely frustrated. They don't know what is on those two phones and David the FBI says the suspect intitially shot one of the phones before he was killed but right now they have no evidence that any of those trainees knew about the plot beforehand. Dan David Alright. Pierre Thomas leading us off tonight Pierre Thank you. There are new images coming in tonight. Another tornado this time slamming into a high school cars on top of one. Another and e F one one flipping these cars and Laura South Carolina Ninety mile an hour winds a severe storm near Fayetteville North Carolina. Blowing the roof off this gym. The numbers tonight are staggering. More than twenty. He confirmed deadly tornadoes. Now this devastation hot in the West and tonight a series of new storms now moving in one right across the country snow and ice eventually right here in the East we time it all out. ABC's box bore in the storm zone tonight tonight. A powerful storm striking the Carolinas confirmed e F one tornado with winds of ninety miles per hour. Touching down this afternoon in this high school parking lot east of Florence South Carolina. We were in class and we went under lockdown and nobody really knew what was happening. Cars tossed on top of each other windshields shattered. There was no tornado warning thankfully no one was hurt and in North Carolina part of the roof an elementary school gym blown off east of Fayetteville. A blessing it is. Our only three students were injured and those three students are going to be okay this after that multiday severe weather outbreak claimed at least twelve lines east of Shreveport Louisiana and e two tornado with winds of up to one hundred thirty thirty five miles per hour destroying the home of Jerry and Mary Sue Franks. They did not survive and in Lubbock Texas icy roads claiming the lives of two first responders ponders police officer Nicholas Raina and fire. Lieutenant paramedic. Eric Hill were on the scene of an accident when they were hit by a vehicle. A third first responder was critically hurt. David another look at the devastating scene here in Louisiana where that e F two tornado brought one hundred thirty five mph winds at lifted a mobile home into the air and sent tumbling across the land. Here a married couple that lived in this house did not survive today. Their adult children were sifting through debris looking for pictures of their parents though now l.. Chairs daily David Steph horrific weekend. We're thinking about those families and it continued right into today. Marcus thank you. Let's get right to chief. Meteorologist Ginger Zee because we mentioned two other storm systems also also on the move and Ginger is tracking it all for tonight. Hey Ginger Hey David. To six inches of snow shutdown. Some schools and delayed universities around Seattle Seattle. That was kind of their suburbs ended up having the first part of this but these storms are going to bring winter weather all the way down into the Sierra of California. So let's go through the timing this first one is pretty much through and it's much weaker than the next one. That's coming in so I want you to focus on the Wednesday night into Thursday time period. That is the storm that not only could impact everybody from Portland Oregon. Who now has a winter weather advisory down to Santa Barbara and Los Angeles even some snow in the mountains there and that is the storm that could bring snow and ice parts of the northeast by this weekend? David Lauder weekend and some tough weather but I still wanted to wish you a happy birthday ginger. Thank you some nights. We move on to other news this Monday night and we have new reporting here after a deadly rampage. Right right outside New York City police now say could have been much worse in fact. You'll remember the surveillance showing the attackers getting out of their van. Walking toward the Kosher Grocery store in Jersey City where they they would open fire. Tonight what was discovered in that. Vat a massive bomb that could have sent shrapnel five football fields away. Here's ABC's chief tonight the FBI revealing the suspects behind the rampage inside a Jersey City Kosher supermarket may have been plotting and even deadlier attack. We know now that they planned greater acts of mayhem. Authorities say inside their van was a bomb powerful enough to scatter shrapnel across five football fields fields along with materials. For another device David Anderson and Francine Graham killed three innocent people in that market and terrorize the neighborhood for hours in the FBI believes when a detective spotted the couple in a nearby cemetery right before the attack. It likely through off a broader plan Dan and probably saved dozens of lives. That detective was also shot and killed by the couple. This was in fact a hate crime. An episode episode of domestic terrorism the FBI saying the suspects were motivated by bias against the Jewish community and Law Enforcement David the FBI says the the suspects research a nearby Jewish community center in Bayonne as a possible target authorities say given the Arsenal. They had David that could have been catastrophic. Ari'el Russia tonight thank you overseas now into the protests on the streets of Iran after that country admitted it accidentally shot down that passenger plane. Protesters turned their anger away from the US back to their own government. Many now avoiding stepping on the American flag painted on the street for that purpose the protesters turning on their government and backyard. Home tonight new questions is about all of this. For President trump the initial strike down that drone strike. Here's chief global affairs correspondent Martha Raddatz now tonight Iran in turmoil after thousands Rosen's flooded the streets outraged over their governments admission of the shoot down of a passenger jet security forces cracking down using tear-gas gas and reportedly live ammunition against demonstrators some chanting for the removal of Iran Supreme Leader for three days the Iranian government government claimed the Ukrainian jet crashed because of mechanical trouble. Finally admitting they had mistakenly shot it down killing the one hundred. Seventy six civilians only as video and witness evidence mounted the commercial jet struck just hours after Iran attacked two American backed military bases in Iraq today. US military crews sifted through the wreckage at Ala Saad. Airbase the attacks retaliation for the killing of Iran's on top military general Qassem Soleimani the country initially united against America's targeted killing demanding. Revenge Dan but tonight a complete reversal. These crowds avoid trampling on images of the US in Israeli flags painted on the street. President trump calling that big progress but on the targeted killing of Sola money president trump's secretary of defense appearing to contradict the President President that four embassies were under threat. Today have large scale attacks plan for other embassies and if those were planned why why can't we reveal that to. The American people wouldn't help me your case I can reveal that I believe it would have been four embassies. I didn't see one with regard to four embassies. What I'm saying? His I assured the president skew that probably my expectation was they were going to go after our embassies tonight. The president pressed on the inconsistencies. First of all I think it's totally consistent assistant. But here's what's been consistent. We kill salamone number one terrorist in the world by every accounts and Martha Raddatz live in Washington awesome tonight. She's just back from Iran. Martha sources are telling you the. US intelligence community had actually been watching Qassem Soleimani since last spring exactly David and that coincided coincided with an increased campaign of violence that Sulejmani was planning against the US to try to counter the so called maximum pressure campaign on Iran. So they we're tracking his movements. In the event he became a target of opportunity but killing him was ultimately the decision made by the president. Of course David Arthur thank hugh. We're GONNA turn now to impeachment a key meeting tomorrow when the House Speaker Pelosi now prepares to send the articles of impeachment over to the Senate setting the stage for the trial of president trump. Let's get right back to Mary Bruce. She's live over the hill tonight and Mary House Speaker Nancy Pelosi Holding that meeting tomorrow. What's expected all David tomorrow morning? The House Speaker will be huddling behind closed doors with all house Democrats. What's discussing which members could be prosecuting? The case in the Senate and deciding winter finally send over the articles of impeachment. which tonight we are told could happen as soon as is tomorrow and very president trump is now suggesting the republican controlled Senate should dismissed the case against him when they get the articles speaker Pelosi with a strong reaction to that? It David. The speaker says that dismissing this case would be a cover up and even top Republicans. Tell us they don't WANNA dismissal here. The Republican leader is making very clear. They want a trial trial. David Mary Bruce with us on a Monday night Mary thank you and out of the race for twenty twenty with the Iowa caucuses just three weeks from today. Hard to believe Democrat cory booker announcing he's bowing coming out suspending his campaign. The New Jersey senator ran on a message of peace in unity but he failed to qualify for two debates in a row former Massachusetts governor duval. Patrick is now the only African african-american competing on the democratic side next Queen Elizabeth's historic announcement tonight agreeing to support Harry and Meghan their request to become part time royals the queens new message after a high stakes summit acknowledging their wished to quote create a new life as a young family. Tonight everyone looking at the clues and the Queen's words and here's James James Longman from London Prince Charles Prince William and the Prince of the center of a royal crisis today emerging from talks aimed at finding a way for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex to step back from royal life. Tonight the Queen is voicing her support but admitting it was not what she wanted. Although we would have preferred them to remain full-time I am working members of the royal family. She said we respect and understand their wish to live a more independent life as a family while remaining valued part of my family atone less less likely sovereign more like a grandmother using the word family. Eight times a naming them like the rest of us. Harry and Meghan have made clear that they do not want to be reliant on public blick funds and then you lives. It is therefore been agreed that they'll be a period of transition in which the Sussex's will spend time in Canada and the UK. She's absolutely the practice pragmatist. She would not be looking at coming in. They're pointing fingers. Look back should be looking forward just ahead of today's meeting a glimpse of Unity Prince William and Harry pushing back against rumors that Harry was bullied out of the Royal Family for brothers who cares so deeply about the issue surrounding mental health. The use of inflammatory not language in this way is offensive and potentially harmful and David there is still so much to work out. Will the couple keep their royal titles. Where they're we're gonNA live and crucially? How are they going to pay the way the Queen has said she wants this sorted in days and not weeks? David James Longman again tonight James. Thank you and next tonight. The Dangerous Volcano erupting in the Philippines. Look at this tonight. The tall volcanoes roaring back to life spewing ash and steam lava high into the sky will connect lightning illuminating the the night the effects felt forty miles away in Manila where the airport was temporarily closed homes caked in Ashton. Tens of thousands already forced to evacuate next tonight here. The Major League bombshell the Houston Astros severely punished tonight for cheating stealing signs during their world series season with help from the camera trained on the field. Here's we'll clar bands tonight to two thousand seventeen world series champion Houston Astros revealed to a beat cheaters team hit with historic punishments. We broke the rules. We accept punishment shortly after Major League baseball suspended manager. Aj hinch and GM GM Jeff. Now for next season the Arizona fired them. I've had a lot of tough days over the years. But yeah this is. This is tough one. Commissioner Confirms Team Stole Pitching Signs using a camera in the outfield stands at conceded catcher signal to the pitcher in Astro would allegedly sit at this table table. Just feet away from home plate with a monitor of the camera feed and bang on this garbage can to let the Badger no the signal the astros face a record five million dollar. We're fine in loose. Several top draft picks of the next two years the investigation now turns to the Red Sox. The two thousand eighteen champions in manager Alex Cora who played for the Astros Astros in two thousand seventeen here in Los Angeles. The dodgers lost the world series to the astros in two thousand seventeen and to the red sox. Twenty eighteen one dodger says they may have lost but they did it. The Right Way Devon. We'll car tonight. Thank you when we come back news tonight about. The American family swept out to sea off the coast. There is news coming in on the desperate search when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste. You need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. That's why you need indeed dot Com post job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates using an intuitive online dashboard. And when you need to hire fast accelerate your results with sponsor jobs jobs new users can try for free at indeed dot Com Slash David M. That's indeed dot com slash David M terms conditions and quality standards apply offer valid through March. Thirty first twenty. Twenty if you don't know your numbers you don't know your business serious entrepreneurs and finance teams run on net suite by Oracle the world's number one in cloud business system net sweet offers a full picture of all your finances all in one place in real time right from your phone or desktop schedule. Your Free Demo. Right now and received received their free guide seven key strategies to grow your profits at nets we dot com slash event. Set Up Your Free Demo and get your free guide today and nets we dot com slash event to index of other news tonight. The family swept out to senior organs. Cannon beach authorities say Jeremy Styles was holding his two children when they were hit by a rogue wave rescuers pulled him in his seven year old daughter out of the water. She didn't survive his four year. Old Son is still missing tonight. The Coast Guard has suspended the search the the alarming news tonight on Earth's oceans scientists saying two thousand nineteen was the hottest year for the earth oceans warming at increasing speed scientists say absorbing the equivalent of five or Shema bombs uh-huh every second the study published in the Journal Advances in atmospheric sciences and an image tonight like father like Son Tiger Woods on the green is a caddy for his ten year. Old On Charlie and South Florida. Charlie didn't end up winning but the swing their got. Everyone's attention is formed. Many saying looks a lot like his dad's funding tonight here. The Oscar. Nominations are out the most Oscar nominations. The joke led a nominations including being best picture. Best actor Joaquin Phoenix. Can you introduce me as joker. Martin Scorsese Irishman ten. Nominations would have to two two nods in the best supporting actor category for both Al Pacino Higher Frank because of Jimmy Hoffa and Joe Patchy at watch this read tough guys around here. I you know compete with Brad Pitt. Once upon a time in Hollywood stomach Tom Hanks in a beautiful day in the neighborhood lease Scarlett Johansson with her first ever Oscar nomination and make that two best actress for marriage story. You wouldn't even let me as much did I loved you reporting for Joe to rabbit okay. No more politics is neutral grounds table. Switzerland also supporting actress. Laura or Dern I want you to listen to me. What you're doing is an act of hope as Zellweger a best actress Judy Doc? Heresay made Oscar history. The first Korean film ever to earn a best picture nomination there were no women nominated in the directing category and it didn't go unnoticed. Little women up for best picture up for best actress Sir Sharon and Florence Pugh for supporting actress in Little Women's director at a Gerwig upper best adapted screenplay saying tonight I hope our little women does for another generation of girls and women what it did for me. Light liked to fire to write your book. Make your movie singer Verse Actress and You should have a life on the stage. The Oscars Sunday February ninth right here autopsy. And I hope to see you right back here tomorrow. Connect hey everyone is. ABC's Paula Ferris. I'm the host of journeys of faith as you know all too well. We are in in an election year so on this season. We're talking to twenty twenty presidential candidates and other political figures about how their faith and religion influence their a person and their politics. 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Around the Horn

21:56 min | 8 months ago

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"The Albright Knox Gallery Buffalo New York hanging this inspired spoiler Josh added piece entitled Selfie With Bins Mafia. This disc- theft off this guy. I want a better than that. Should be hanging. Thomas Jersey up there I prefer Bruce Smith. Okay Oh hello guys have been doing of all the headlines. That don't say much on Williamson fully. Wait Barry but no return date said says L. Lot. So how does that strike you. And what are you doing with that information. Frank Guy Sola you know what. I didn't say six to eight eight weeks. The PELICANS said six to eight weeks and here we are also excited about the back that you just standing there shooting the ball. He's not even practicing yet. So the Pelicans right now. Thirteen Thirteen Game Losing Streak Zion. All these doing shooting in the corner. You know what's going to happen the same thing. That happened Ben Simmons and Blake Griffin. They didn't play their first year in the NBA. That's where we're headed. Do you think New Orleans is regretting saying six to eight weeks. Initially I think they absolutely are especially where they sit right now. Thirteen game losing streak. Think about this. They they could be sitting on a sixteen game losing streak on Christmas Day when they play the different on national television do exactly Kevin Blackstone of full weight bearing was was was said in that headline. How does that strike you? And that's a lot way too late weight to bear by that young man. You know what we were talking about him coming back for Christmas I was going to be the big gift of the NBA all the NBA basketball fans out there and it's not going to happen in francs absolutely right. You know what no shame in this game. Sit At this guy for this season. The examples are out there. They didn't hurt Blake Griffin. Didn't hurt Ben Simmons but to play this guy with whatever is ailing him. That he can't can't get healthy is only going to hurt you. Going into the future too much invested into Zion Williamson to have in play like he is and so that's two panelists who say shut them down on Israel Gutierrez. Are you a third. No No. I'm canceling this cancelled culture here because I'm tired of it. Like Lake Griffin had a second lease surgery the January of that year he needed to sit out the season. If scien- Williamson's I mean his recovery is going along slower than we expected of course and I'm with Frank. You know the the Pelicans talked early about not putting too much pressure and even put out that six to eight weeks is clearly putting pressure on him because now he is not ready but if you look at him and say okay if it takes another a month for him to be ready you got half an NBA season there. And it's not just about protecting about getting his body ready. He obviously has not played in this mini games in the season. He's never even played. What forty forty five games in a season so having done that for the second half of the season even though it's a team that's not going anywhere there's still a lot of value to that so it's strictly about getting zay unhealthy? How they manage whether went until he gets there? Well that's the Pelicans doing. And so far probably not probably not bill. Plaski where do you come down on Zion Williamson. It is he. So you're talking about being slower than his recovery. Slowly that people thought there are celebrating the ward weight-bearing. Suddenly the word weight-bearing is what we're talking about that insane that was star that knocked me over. I'm like wait a minute. This guy's just now weight-bearing. He's not playing this year. What are we kidding ourselves? The team is terrible terrible. There's no reason for him to go out there he's again. You know because you only play when you're in college. He's still just a kid there for the long term for the long game let him sit out again and I thought it was gonNA come back. Christmas GonNa come back in January. But now they're saying they're they're throwing a party because he's weight-bearing he's not coming back. I WANNA go back at bill if there is no if there is some sort of condition where you're saying. Oh if he plays now it will hurt him in the long term. If it's Greg Oden situation how do you know course you. You should be concerned if it's just a torn meniscus for a guy that's a little bigger takes a little longer to heal. Then he should play this season. You should just set them down for fear everything you said true. How do you know if history is anything? We don't know anything about anybody's body at any moment. Frank are you at some level. More Concern About Zion. Williamson's health going forward now than you were three weeks ago re months ago now. I think they're just being extra cautious but the pressure that's going to be on the. PELICANS will be this. You remember all the fanfare about getting you. Oh you you traded away. Anthony Davis they've already come out and said he's not gonNA play back to back. I wonder how much pressure could be on them in late February and March especially just to play him in own home games. I get it not back to back not going to want to play. You know maybe three games in a week. But at least nothing is going right for this franchise right now how they lost off their thirteenth in a row last night look at this is three seconds left. No shot clock. Violations called on the floor on Spencer Dinwiddie shot and play was not reviewed viewed because played never stopped but everyone can see that did not touch the RIM K B. How are the reds blow? This they blew it again. Seems like we talk about this every week. They make some sort of mistake and that seemed to be clear as day. Something that everybody could make a ruling on you know what what we have to get to the point in this in this season where we stopped saying how do the rest blow it. And why can't this be reviewed here is yet another. Yeah no I think you get off the case it's about somebody New Jersey needs to push your button to be watching this to buzz the rafts to stop this. The League has got to have oversight especially the last two minutes of the game. That's Sola ISOS upset that somebody New Jersey has to go to world. That's what he's upset about. Won't broadcasting teams nets. TV Nets radio PELICANS. TV Pelicans Gins radio they all said live. That's a twenty four second violation. How can they see it in three referee's not not right but you're shaking your head no no no New Jersey cannot get involved vulgar? I got these no show jobs. I got no work jobs. Hopefully we're moving coal. Anthony Worn meniscus and this gets arthroscopic surgery Monday. That's typically four to six week recovery. Here we go again talking about other people's bodies what we know nothing about at other people's bodies if he were to come back in February there will be plenty of time before March for UNC to make a run in the NCAA. However from Anthony's perspective respective projected top five vic rare? Should his thoughts be via coming back now or getting prepped for the draft blackstone and you want to start well if you say four to six weeks for his injury and sometimes that meniscus can be two to three months but if you're saying four to six and yeah you can bring him back gradually but once again again. I'm coal anthony. I play for professional basketball player. I've been watching this. I'm in a League in which we play against Duke which had a guy named Kyrie Irving who had a serious injury played. Just eleven games at Duke still came out and was one of the number one guys despite the injuries that he suffered so. I think I would look at that as I don't even a big Kevin have to go as far back as Irving doesn't he have Zion Williamson last year. We just talked about him. Five seconds ago Gutierrez's how about you And what happened with Zion. Tony came back. And he was the absolute sure thing number one pick Cole. Anthony is not look at Anthony's shooting numbers. He's had great games but he's shooting forty percent right now. He's projected as a top five pick but how many times have we seen players be projected as a top five pick early in the NBA. Season Fall. Automate I think he needs to show more on the basketball court still to prove his position. Now he's okay dropping so okay you don't have to play. I don't think his father by the way Would be somebody who would recommend that. He's a drug by you. What I WANNA know is? Is he weight-bearing. When will he baby weight bearing cares about? But but you know what the guys played nine Games nineteen points. I've seen enough. I think when when when you're unpaid like he is when you have a chance to make a lot of money take care of yourself. Don't play the rest of you. Yeah and he also has his Dad Greg Anthony. That's a pretty good resource. Unlike most parents. He's got a lot of connections to the league he'll know exactly whereas Sun's GonNa go. I think he's even if he doesn't play this year. I think he's GonNa come out. He'll still be a top fifteen fifteen weight-bearing from working with you guys is bearing a weight that I can't handle the pro bowl Ron Rivera girl real bad one reveal all right. Look at all the list of names who will probably find a way to not play in three months and then new names will be needed to unseat numb the snub. Start with the fact there. There are twelve ravens on this list for the second most ever built many not enough. We're strike the mostly signed human football the best team in football. I WANNA see more ravens. They got six on offense foreign defense and special teams. They they they they did it perfectly. What but I want to know is how his Dak Prescott not on this team and Aaron Rodgers is can I just over four Dak Prescott as thrown for a thousand more yards than Keren Rogers? He has better numbers. Virtually every statistic and Aaron Rodgers. Why is that? Where's that Prescott bearing weight? Just hijack the question the ravens go ahead. Ed is real. If you WanNa talk about that you can would you. What struck you from the pro bowl roster? Well I'm not sure people complaining about the Ravens are going to look at that list and even know what position L. S. S. is much less name a better wondering season. Okay so the complaining kind of ridiculous. It's been the most entertaining team to watch football if you look back. I don't know how it's GonNa work out in the playoffs but if you look back on the season they will probably be the biggest story. And Lamar Jackson go ahead and celebrate that team like we really care about pro bowl integrity at this point. It's all about four the payments and the incentives of the Kaby. Well is amazing. Long snappers getting in there. I don't know how you judge them other than getting the ball to the guy. I was kicking but you know what yes. We're trying to how offensive lineman for the Ravens. Didn't make making given how well they run the ball. They've got pickard in there for as a fallback position. two-way guy. So what good for them but to answer bills question maybe because Dak Prescott is thrown. Eleven interception was about as many as all the other quarterbacks and that side have done combined. If you're going to talk about somebody got overlooked. I would even throw kirk cousins out there for the season. He's added even Joe Out in San Francisco that next joe or Jimmy G.. Whichever one you want to throw out John Prescott oh come on. I don't know what Bill Stockman Aaron Rodgers first of all it's a little bit. It's going to be based on reputation mutation. Look at the record of well. Why starting quarterback for seven and seventeen bill in a terrible division? So why are you gonNA put. You'RE GONNA put him over Araj. You honestly believe see. I'm basing this on win total when you're a little bit that you have something to do with it. Absolutely why not cab alb- cowboys packers Rogers Prescott on a neutral field cowboys win. That game nearby panel knows that. I don't think anybody in the world what the cowboys are GONNA do didn't didn't we meadowlands. I appreciate the spirit and vigor. You have here but I'm not sure if anybody knows anything about it. He's okay I since you argued for Aaron Rodgers. There's getting a legacy spot here. What about Tom Brady? Yeah radio when you look at the court well hang on a second quarter backs in the AFC. Lamar Jackson accent is a definite To Show Watson is a definite and then Patrick Mahomes so I think there are three. Okay I thought I thought Aaron Rodgers having feted season then Dak Prescott. That's why he's ooh Tom. Ready Question. L. Statue looking at in addition. What are your next drew? Brees is better than Dan. Marino empty Z.. Standards that can yes. This is why solar he he wasn't on yesterday's show hot taste. He wanted to breathe. I'm taking a break right here. Fire cells on the other side. You might not have time to talk about this today. I want some more hot takes on Kevin Garnett talking about breaking Lebron and the NBA suggestion is go ahead. Yeah he's really broken game where you have forty five points fifteen rebounds I say that again say that again we have. He's talking about game. Sickly had forty five four hundred fifteen by the way I think Lebron worst. Title's the commercial break that's absurdly inflatable. 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Yeah I think if you listen to dock and watch him there you realize realize he's saying yeah you know. This is the philosophy we're going with and we'll see how it works. I don't think he's in love with it. Even old school guy probably wants to go out and play every single game if you've got blackstone absolutely but you know what it works. We saw at work last year. It's working this year and it's going to work in the future. Thank you very much break. Popovich and frank also. I like the way that Lebron handle that. Because he didn't mention by name. DOC COME and call out. Lebron come on Terai in Toronto called the shot. He's calling the shots like bill set in la he decides when he's GonNa play well it worked full Stanford cinema of a season and led to a championship. Didn't work for Joel. embiid Joel embiid. Though he's still playing today I mean he could have been Greg Oden at some point. We'll move on by herself to Jack. Limited limited in practice today throwing shoulder which happened versus the rams Sunday and it's Clay Matthews. He had an MRI. Everything seems be okay Jason Garrett says but then he said he just banged it up and it's hard for him to function right now and quotes. Okay coach thank you did not throw did not jumping Jack today by yourself concern Israel Gutierrez I mean. Kb just blew my mind. By the way will load management fee Gregg Popovich lasting legacy. That's interesting take no. I'm super careful with that when you talk about the shoulder throwing shoulder mind you and Tony couldn't do jumping jacks hard for him to function. Yeah I mean come on. You have to be super careful with Kevin Bucks absolute. Because they can't they can't afford to lose a game right. I mean they are. They are in it to win it right now now and they need this guy who we talked about earlier this year whether or not he was the most important player Other than Zeke Elliot on this team right. Now he is the most important player You're if he's hurt right Guy Sola perfect example of why when you're running quarterback these things can happen. I don't think that should be in the pro bowl ahead of Aaron Rodgers. But I'll say they just about A. He'll be there on Sunday but the game remember though the game is outdoors so that can have a factor on his shoulder in terms of actual plash Franco. Franken Artie won. That argument stopped bringing a no trouble. This is this is big trouble for the cowboys. Because he has not been Zeke this year and they're going to need to win this game. Looks like and that's that's real dicey It's I think they should worry very very much. Fire Sell L. Three. Let's talk about the Yankees Introducing Garrett Cole today coal in their stocking clean-shaven slick and with the same side they say Kohl Cole held up as an eleven year old fan eighteen years ago. You believe that Kevin flagstone no not even the same at the same poster ones in in what was it in the in a garage or stumps in some light got in and faded the blue to yellow stop it. You're not buying that guy. I sold it to you. It's like that Academy Award Dress. I'm seeing blue. I'm not seeing yellow but I cannot help the call for battle. The last big number forty five at the Yankees brought in through a lot of money. Let's hope that garrick caused a better running raschke crop. Profound Scott Boras has done a lot of great things gear cold. This is not one of them. This is obviously obviously boards. His idea he obviously did this. Because there's no no eleven year old draws assigned debt neatly keeps it for that long seen signs all reporting is from from the yes network that it was in the Parents House that it was tucked away jellied and that brought into dinner Israel Gutierrez. Tony Tony you think the Yankees brass negotiated deal. We're probably thinking man if I would have seen that picture of a All three hundred twenty four million. Exactly you always. He's going to be a Yankee Fan and player. I'm with you on percents. Sports is selling that mutual. All Right Kevin Blacks Frank. I saw this now. We no show job for you right. we've got a down for bill platform as Ruben Sierra's where we hope the energy matches the arts arts energy we hold and that is the energy of the story. Dr. Next look at this. Look at this these these televised sport around. We're all missing out here. What would we poker for the last two decades? You'll eat sports. Look at Dr Bill Flash KEY ISRAEL GUTIERREZ FOR THE second time. This season Lacrosse goal from Andrei Bench to call. His teammates are calling get the suspension to call our two goals enough for all across schools from this day. Forward to be named Nicole. Israel well the NHL says there's nobody else has done this before and he's done it twice now really hard to catch on though if you can't actually say it easily though. The move was originated by a Michigan player named Mike leg in nineteen ninety-six off the leg. Lift the leg Lynch. I always called it the Michigan because I remember it. Ab from Michigan. Good Research. Bill laskey. We'll move on to the Buffalo Art Museum yes Hanging that frame photo the tweet of the photo of Josh Allen Selfie with the bills Mafia bill it is this art absolutely. It's all right. I saw it on twenty five degree. Temperatures at two o'clock in the morning after a regular season game all those fans at quarterback it was art. I mean it's not quite a banana duct taped to a wall. But it's pretty nice. I'll take the Selfie wing of a photography museum. Of course sir. My favorite twitter handles is this art. I think we would all agree. This is well Movado. Showdown Three Arts World Championship. Get excited Sir Sharon. She's wins this. Ah I mean so. That's an incredible headline and then look at this celebration. Here is possible is it possible darts is the best. TV Sport Ever Israel. Well it's the best sport to experience in person that wasn't even a championship that was just a match and they are going nuts. uh-huh Great. TV's over the fact that of ninety six spots in that tournament only two or allowed for women. Women aren't allowed equality that thing. How did this soon? They created the glass ceiling. Shame on Falun Sheriff okay. She won that first round match first time ever. She won more money winning that match than she would had. She won the entire women's bracket he. That's not great showdown wind today. Thirty seconds of facetime our dress. There's a raging argument in La Right now. Who would win a two on two game Shaq and Kobe versus Ada? Lebron the answer is easy obviously. AD would move around shack for Neshat. Lebron would push around Kobe but there's no way Kobe. Bryant's GONNA lose that game. There is no way in hell. Kobe Bryant Shaquille O'Neal they won three titles in hated each other. So throw out all the physical and all the all the match ups. Kobe wins at and chat win. That everybody's weighing in Israel when you got match I refuse to argue Blackstone Ron Magic and Kareem. We'll see tomorrow.

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Rise of Skywalker Tracking Behind The Last Jedi at the Box Office - Movie Talk

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Rise of Skywalker Tracking Behind The Last Jedi at the Box Office - Movie Talk

"Thank you for listening to this. podcast one production available on Apple podcasts. And podcast one. Hey guys it's Perry and I'm here to let you know that. This edition of Collider movie talk is brought to you by DC universe the ultimate D. C.. Membership where you can watch read shop and connect catch on original series like Titans and starting November Twenty Ninth Watch their newest adult animated series Harley Quinn visit. WWW DC universe dot com slash. podcast one and use. Use the Promo Code Collider to start your free trial that's www dot DC universe dot com slash podcast O. N. E. Use Promo Code Collider to start fourteen day free trial and this code will be valid for you through December thirty first twenty nine thousand nine. This episode of movie talk is sponsored by one or brothers digital networks works the operator of DC universe which is only available in the US on on. Today's movie talk. We've got rise of SKYWALKER boxoffice projections. Then we're reviewing the upcoming little women movie directed by Greta Gerwig and Elizabeth banks banks as a brand new at directing gig. Apparently it's invisible woman. Hello everyone welcome to collider movie. Talk this wonderful Wednesday. I hope you're ready to sit back and relax hereabouts movie news while you plan for your holiday. Are they safe travels to all out there. Hello Hello and John Rocca after. Never ask ask you how you're doing you walk into the studio glowing time because I am happy to be here. A lighter is my happy place. 'cause I love I love everyone. You're all my friends and we're all like minded are passionate about movies. What's not taught either because of that adults because of whatever roka's drinking I don't know what his mood this morning it's raining? It's pouring. Get ready because this show ain't could it be boring in the holiday spirit Russia. Let's get into this first story. Here is is a box office projections for star wars the rise of skywalker. This report comes from variety and apparently the movie right now is on pace for start between one hundred and seventy five million dollars and two hundred million dollars. This is according to early tracking and you know we know sometimes tracking 's right great. Sometimes it's not of late. It has not been right. So you guys here this number. How much weight do you put in it? Do you think it was too high too low. You go well I think for me personally I. It struck me as being a little low and be like what's below but everything to take in context and that is force awakens with what to forty five forty two something like that. Last shot is twenty railroad there and this is coming at one seventy five to two hundred which means you could go to one seventy five that to me speaks volumes about how fractured the star. Wars Fan base is and how they're not as excited overall. They have been in times past to go and see these kinds of movies and this isn't just another installment. This is wrap up and as the wrap up. I believe there should be way more buzz about in terms in the box office in the early tracking this in the two hundred and fifty million dollar range in my opinion because I mean you look at what events endgame. That was a two forty something to sixty sneak. Something a three three. Sorry five I remember. We were all going crazy. There was even come close to three hundred three whatever it was it was pretty incredible star. Wars there's has been around much longer than the marvel and has been in our lives for so long that I'm shocked that it's kind of this low. Okay I agree with all your points but right you also have to keep in mind that when the Force Awakens opened the two thousand fifteen to two hundred and forty seven million dollars. We hadn't had a star wars movie in ten years. We hadn't had anything being in Star Wars in ten years but we had a couple of star trek movies that JJ directed so it was new product but it was also the return of Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford it to the franchise of course also Shibata are three. Po It felt like a star wars movie but now so between the disappointment of Solo and divided fan reaction of the jet I Star Wars has been taken down a couple notches in terms of expectations. But you also let's not forget. Forget Ladies and gentlemen you have on Disney plus the man delorean which is amazing. The Manta Laurean. It's the best thing to happen to star worse since the empire strikes back it is that good because it is different it is dark it is mature it is daring but very much feels like like star wars which is all the things that I loved about the empire strikes back. But I digress. The point is is that there's more star wars products out there so the anticipation isn't as high having said that two hundred million that bad opening by any measure sure even a star wars one and I actually think that you know what because like pointed out China that this is the last of this Saga Saga that started in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven and the payoff could be really really big. I think that these numbers are conservative and low sink. The movie's WHO's GonNa get closer to two hundred and fifty million domestic. That's not worldwide. Okay now that's a big number bringing up a conservative number here I. I think it's important to read this piece from the variety article. They're saying Disney is aiming to manage expectations since tracking has been unreliable in recent weeks the X. box office watchers are optimistic. That rise skywalker will end the year on a high note overall ticket. Sales have plunged over seven percent from last year. According to calm score so considers in studios alike are banking on especially lucrative holiday movie going season to help close the gap. So that's why we might be seeing a number that looks like this right now and and as we always say whenever we cover box office tracking. That's right now as we inch closer and we get more marketing and the hype continues to build. That number will change when reviews reviews. Come out that number could change fairly significantly and just so you guys have a very clear picture of where this rain stands in the latest star wars releases. Here's a chart chart of all of the openings. We had force awakens open up with two hundred and forty eight million dollars last Jedi kicked off. Its run with two twenty rogue one opened up up with one fifty five and then we had solo open up with eighty four million so you know admittedly when I saw these numbers and I noticed specifically that it was lower than last S. jet. I I was thinking. Oh you know that. That sounds like a little bit of a bummer. Could that reflect the divide in the franchise. But I think there's even more to it than that because because was looking back and forth awakens in particular and looking at the release calendar and I think you know most other parts of the year were saying things like Oh avengers endgame just obliterating all competition around it whereas it seems like in December as of late some of the wealth even with the Juggernaut like star words in the mix. Some of the wealth is getting spread around the little. It's like we have a movie like Jumanji yes opens the weekend before but the last installment proved that that's a series that could have have legs so I think there are opportunities for something like Jumanji and hats to make money and we saw that same thing happened with last Jedi. And it's competition. I I think as far as like the box office projections tracking a you're right tracking has been off but in most of the cases where the tracking has been off the tracking. The projections had been conservative. Live low ford versus Ferrari which is right. riffing movie was projected to open in the low twenty s and opened with thirty one million dollars and everyone one loves this movie. Everyone Must Ford versus Ferrari even in. Its second weekend when it got obliterated obliterated by frozen to it's still held on less than in was a less than fifty percent went with this same path with projections with frozen those numbers those expectations as projections lower and then frozen it out and it surprised everyone with higher number but we have seen a lot of expectations. Come in way above what movie was GonNa make like. Let's say doctor sleep or Terminator Dark Fate. The at Charlie's angels. There's a whole bunch of studio releases that turned out to be major disappointments well under tracking. What's always good to under promise and over deliver right and I think Disney's playing that game with frozen and they worked out for them you know it's all about looks to all about brandings about how it's going to look overall Perry you bring up an interesting point? Would you mogae and with a great show as we saw that. That was the year of the jet. I I was a big fan of showman. But of course they don't open for. I think only open at like ninety million that we never ever number one it was never to one and then you look Jumanji. Nobody expected that thing. I mean I was there for that. I don't get it and I remember the all the representatives from Sony. You telling me we would just be happy if we came in at number two. We're not expecting acting and then it just really blew up so you talk about this. But here's what helped. That situation happened was the divisiveness of last Jedi. That has to be factored in. It's not about just the competition competition. It's the fact that the product you put out was divisive if this comes out and divide is divisive than yes. I think everything you just laid out will absolutely happen to the arises skywalker as well but if he comes out and it's incredible than I think you will obliterate whatever the competition is no matter what they did two years ago and I think I do think that there's something to be said about after the mixed reactions to lash and Solo. Of course you have your fans who love those movies and hats off to them. I mean I I think both movies have their merits rights but of course both movies also had their detractors. Critics really like the last. I like critically drew on rotten tomatoes. That actually had a really positive score it was the fans. It's like a lot of the fans not all but but certainly a lot of them were burns but again going back to the mandatory in here I think because the Manta worrying is a weekly show. Not just one thing but people are watching the man to Warren episode after episode there going. Wow this is a really great show. So all of the burn burn that some of the fans felt with John Solo. They are getting one over there. Getting back to the store series because of the greatness of the Manta I love I love it. I think the fact that men delorean has arrived and it is it. It seems to be very widely loved right now. I think that that actually. I don't think it's necessarily going to you. Know bump it up fifty million or something but I do think the Mandolin is working in rise skywalker favor a little bit. I thank personal baby. Yoda I cannot get. It was waiting for those words as many wonderful things about Mandal Laurien and it took not that long to bring up. Okay now you mean to tell me so. Mantle oriented just to sort of where we're rises skywalker cookie going so you're introducing baby. Yoda in the mantle. Worry which takes place five years after. Return the jets. Spoilers NUSSBAUM warning out there engaged engaged if what if the mantle worrying is tied to the rise of skywalker. I've thought about that. I believe I want to throw out a name and give this theory. Put this theory on someone shoulders if it didn't come from them but someone had pointed out because I believe that week the episode so to the man delorean hits on Wednesday not Friday and yes that might be because rises skywalker is in theaters. But I just wonder if there's going to be something in that episode. That had you need to be really could but they really could have just moved the release of that episode to ensure people have time to stay home and watch it because everyone's going to be going out to sea rise of skywalker in theaters. I don't know it's a fun thing to think about this enthusiasm a little bit all right. Here's the deal. The mandate is made by Dave Baloney. Jon favreau it has nothing to do with the rise of skywalker. That people could have resigned. Walk that is important to understand. Fans we'll disseminate the difference between the two and we'll suck was why she writes. That means they're going to get this thing right now. It just means I love this. I really hope this works. That's what what I think. Most of the FANDOM is approaching this as two separate things just because Black Panthers. Good doesn't mean Captain Marvel's going to be good. Just it's all you gotta take on. Its own one thing. They don't necessarily it's going to be truth to a franchise building momentum with good things but it is. Yeah well possibly because it's like this. TV show. That's a movie wants to get to different things. Like I guess they are two different things. I mean this. There's never been a live action star. I TV series and it's been so far I've seen three and episode. Three episodes are posted. I've loved them all especially the third one was using but I don't think the idea idea that the Manza worrying as a standard thing that doesn't tie in at any way to the final installment of epic Saga Episode Nine. I don't think they were just sort of make it stand alone and not have tien at all very smart. It would be very smart for their service that they're putting a lot in right now especially when you look look at that same company is doing with Marvel where they are purposely trying to others so strongly possible. I'm just saying I wonder if this is cool. I don't know about this. There's a track record for this. That isn't one hundred percent positive while there's a tracker for mandatory and that is one hundred percent right now so let me get this straight so the last episode the Milan mantle warming is gonNA throw plus. It's after Christmas. The last episode Amanda Lorena. Okay Okay Gotcha. But the with the weapons. So she's talking about will be the week of okay. The week that rise of the jet I opened on Friday that episode of Mantle worrying. We'll drop on Wednesday and then I walked her open on a Friday and then the last episode will be the the following week. All my gosh so I am dates right now. We're talking specifically about episode. Six I drops on December thirteenth which when Jumanji opens opens but then the next episode of the man delorean hits on December eighty and then after that we get another episode that's the takeaway. Td episode and that drops on December twenty. Seven Kevin Hart So. The question is for everyone. Watching question is forever watching and listening. Do you think that the Mantle Warren will pay off in rice at the jet. I asked ask the questions which is all right but I think you might you might you bigger point period. They may it may be one of two things one. Are they dropping just to kind of clear that weekend or are they dropping it because like a lot of series we've seen recently the panel to meet episode is the episode to to watch not the finale necessarily of a season. But the one right before. The finale surely happened with game of thrones almost every season. So maybe they're doing the same thing here with Mandalay. Same formula and they're connecting something into the rise of skyward. I don't think it'll be integral Pi to rise but surely have something for fans Hans to kind of pay off watching this bet on it at this point and I think it might be more so coming from wishful thinking because I think that would be really cool and I really really enjoy. I've been really enjoying mandatory in general but in particular I love the mandatory culture and Lore. I don't know even if it's just a sliver of representation take on the big screen. I KINDA WANNA see that pop up inside I. It's definitely wishful thinking. And I and I hope that you know that. I hope that does happen before we move on to a little women quickly around the table. Where do you think right? Now rises skywalker. It's going to land. I know you already said to fifty. Okay barring if it's good liberal views to fifty mixed reviews one ninety ninety five Perry. What about you? You're kind of cheating the system my wanted you to pick one number. I can't pick it a vacuum. I think I'm coming in right around last Jedi right now. I have a feeling I have a feeling saying that and again this. It's wishful thinking. But I can't help but I like looking on the bright side I do think that. Jj is going to deliver a crowd-pleaser things up. I think at the end of the skywalker. Saga is going to add. Some added hype that maybe last year I had a little less love. I'm coming in right around two twenty right now. People complaining a lot about that clip already ready like oh they fly now fly. People are complaining about that already. People are waiting. There are some plain about it but I fully admit it's a thirty second clip that's taken out of context within the actual film itself. That could play better last person. Maybe some of the fans are y'all sell for those of US old enough to remember who are actually there. Hello when the empire strikes back came out in one thousand nine hundred ever complained that it was too dark. Return of the Jedi came out. Nineteen eighty-three everyone complain about the walks. And they're still complaining about the walks. They always find something about e walks by me for ever in the end is a star wars. Like you belong now now looking at serious even leave it to you or something in return of the Jedi. We'll see how these predictions pan out love. DC movies shows and comic books while we have good the news for you. 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Know like schmaltzy multi romantic piece type thing. So I never thought I would like a movie like this. I fell so hard for it. I was like in a a puddle of my own tears through a good deal of this movie. Wasn't that you connect the two. I think the thing that I connected to more so than anything was was the sister element. There's there's certain things things like I don't want to spoil anything for folks who don't know the story like I did because a Lotta things did come as a nice surprise to me. But you know there's instances of you know let's say Sir Sharon and Florence Pugh may be butting heads at point and then seeing them come together at other points just so much of that ring so true as someone one who has a sibling that now. I'm very close to and I don't know it's just. I found the emotion of that part of the movie almost overwhelming. But you think I absolutely loved it and I wouldn't like this. I wouldn't like a dude going into Gobi like I don't WanNa see these four girls do whatever this all about but I have to watch it because I have to vote on the voting and I was like okay but I thoroughly thoroughly loved it and I was inter- I was supposed to go to another screening. Missed that excreting. Because I wanted to finish watching. The movie was two hours and twenty minutes long so I I stayed the whole time and absolutely loved it like way better than that nineties. Version version one owner rider and Susan. Sarandon I thought this what Greta Gerwig did here was leap to the next level. As director from lady bird to this is almost a a S- like flying to the moon her. I is so smart now. Her ability to pay so film correctly her genius to do the time jumping thing that she does in. The film is incredible. Incredible as well and the performance is that she gets out of this phenomenal cast. From like Chris Cooper to all the way to starchy. Ronin is incredible Tracy Letts who has is a has a fun. Little has a few scenes in it is incredible but more than anything else. It's the way she paces the film that get you excited interested and the way she kind of massages some the harder edges of the characters to make it fit within the world of the story. She wants to tell With this version of little women I was incredibly surprised by all by the and like you. Perry was in tears but certainly loved with the characters I saw on screen and wanted like an idiot. What a sequel I legitimately wanted a sequel? I want to watch that. I disagree with everything you've said. I think that credit card where you get to say. It is a more ambitious film film lady bird. I mean related mortar lady bird just because it was more contemporary and modern Little women I've Al- I've ripe was the book when I was when I was a Kim school by I really admire the way. She took the source material state. truitt stay true to the to the time setting but there were still elements of the story of the relationships of the way the characters thought especially Joe Marsh. Play by Sir Sharon. WHO's looking at an the Oscar nomination for best actress? I felt like there were elements of the phone the felt very current and contemporary and modern. And I think it's a wonderful wonderful film series. Your Ronin is just the definition of a lead amber. She is such a strong anchor for this movie. And I feel like that's a very difficult role to nail nail in a sense especially you know watching this and seeing her opposite Florence Pugh who deliver she is. She's having quite the air. I I think of the entire cast. I might be rooting for Florence. Pugh the most but I think it's because that role is I guess I would describe it as like a little show ear ear in a sense there. She is certain moments in the movie. That feel like you know. Sometimes you walk away from these things in your like. That's your Oscar clip moment. That's what they're gonNA ration- and something thinks something with the the role that Florence pugh has makes it a little easier to picture whereas you know. I don't want to necessarily call. Joe Like the straight woman of the bunch but she. She's the heart she's the foundation nation. And you know with with the endeavors that she's trying to achieve. I feel like You know hitting peak emotion with a rolex that is very very challenging changing but she navigates that path so well where especially with the time. Jump thing it's all over the place but they hit the climax for that character at just the right point and it really like felt like the ultimate punch to the gut to me and it was so well earned. I think the time jumping really does help volume a give. How can I say this? I think the time jumping really helps floors pews character helps you to appreciate who. She is as an actress while what she plays in one section of the movie versus what she plays in a later section of the movie. And you're just like this is incredible. And you're twenty four to me and I'M OUTTA my fricking mind for saying this this. But this is akin to Orson Welles and what. He didn't Cain. She has talent at such a young age that I can already see four Oscars in this woman's future from fighting with the FA with your fam- family to mid some artillery macbeth to this. The woman is an absolute powerhouse. And she's only twenty four years. Later pacifist cast was terrific. It's mind blowing me. You're right it has been a lead since like twelve years old. She just has this energy of hers that she's going to go forward. I don't want to give a little love to Laura dern. I like this role better than the marriage story role. I think she should be nominated for this for best supporting actress that marriage do do. I think she had more to do here. Then she did a marriage story. So I'm happy to see Laura dern getting back into war is again as even corrections himmy shallow vain relevant who season it. Because he's he's got quite the load to lift in this as well and I think what you bring up with With Florence Pugh and just showing off her skill set with time jump and seeing the to contrast contrast as to where that character is at those points in our life. You could apply the same thought to Tim Shallow May to and what he does that. Rel only the only flaw with the film and it didn't ruin the movie but I was definitely noticeable. was that the two hour and twenty minute running time. It just feels a little long. You definitely you know like like towards the end felt like it was going to rape and it kept going and you know that's okay because I'm an I liked were went certainly liked. Were when But I think it's a wonderful film. What's a ravishing film and Yeah I think far as pew really stood out among this ensemble and an and along with Social Ronin and amazing year. She started movie fighting with my family. She sort of ended the year with another version of fighting with my associates Too but it's a wonderful show. We don't want to completely overlook Emma Watson and Elizabeth Scanlon. Either because even though everybody's talking about search around and and Florence Komo deservedly right now. I thought the two of them made the most of what they had. And I don't know I'm just very impressed and again. This is coming from someone who has no familiarity with the source material era whatsoever. I do I will say I do feel driven now to actually read it after managing to avoid it throughout my entire school career but The the two of them and especially the way that Greta Gerwig gives every single member of the unsolvable a very full arc. That is not an easy thing to achieve steve even with a two hour. Twenty minute running time and you know that's part of the reason why I was glad the movie was as long as it was. Because you know no one got shafted. Everyone got a very full foale very human story and I think you already brought it up. Roca the pacing of this movie never made it feel that long to be the only thing that made it feel long was the fact that I got exhausted from from crying at a point now like oh I need to go to bed while the the book by Louisa May Alcott. She did right by the book she also made a movie that what the read the book or not. It's so wonderful movie on its own terms to see any of the other versions. Just see this one all right. That is our review of little women. We have one more topic to hit today. And it's the the invisible woman story but first we've got some stuff to tell you about good thing manses on the table for this one because we have some great arc light. FIC screen two of them coming up first of all we're going to tell you about. Is this joker screening. If you want to get tickets to this you can find all the information on collider dot com. It's happening on Tuesday December third. So so you're going to want to check that out it's GonNa have a Q.. And A. With the Director of photography on the movie and then on top of that we also have screening for rocket mad another another. QNA for this one on Saturday December seventh. And we've got Taryn Eggerton. Jamie Bell and Dexter Fletcher on board for this one. A lot of good stuff stuff coming your way for collider. FDIC the screenings just with the show in general. It's been a good season. Thus far excited so now we have a little video. WE WE WANNA share with you because it's something you know. I recently went off to Kabo for the Jumanji the next level junket and I got to tick off an item on my a bucket list bungee jumping. Now you could see it for yourself. Roll the video. What's up guys? Perry here in Kabul for what is essentially my junket dream come true talking about movies specifically typically Jim onto the next level and going bungee jumping. It's no big deal can be fine. It's good it's happening. We're making our way out right there and this is what we're jumping into. Hello Camille Lucky. I love movies so much otherwise I might run off and become a professional bungee jumper but this whole thing was incredible writing a ut across that bridge is there getting to Bungee jump getting to talk to the cast of the film Jumanji next level in theaters December thirteenth. Hope you enjoyed this video seek. I can't stop smiling watching that. That might be one of my favorite moments of all twenty nine. I was so excited to go bungee jumping. You probably know I didn't stop talking about a couple of days before I left but I I think was it looks great it looks fantastic and the rock re tweeted you. I know the rapporteur so cool. This is my first time meeting dwayne Johnson and you know in the reputation is totally true. What's cool cool passionate kind guy? Would you ever bungee jumping really now. You would. Oh yeah skydiving though. I would rather go skydiving the Bungee just this. I really yeah. FIC skydiving okay. I'll ah can. We just make that thing for no reason or I would absolutely bungee jumping. It's weird because you know bungee jumping. You're not too far to drop but snaps but then we'll parachute doesn't is an open. So extreme sport I think the big difference between the two is that so skydiving. especially if you're new to skydiving having you have to go with like an instructor you have to go tandem. So you're attached to a pro. They can kind of nudge you out of the plane a little bit. I think the only point where I actually felt nerves bungee jumping was totally fine. And then all of a sudden when you're on that platform that Gondola and you step and I was the first one to go so I step to the edge and that's where it sinks in that you like all you have to fling yourself off the platform into like the abyss. That's where you're twinge of because you can see. When Pera gets very nervous? She has to settle into our core. And you can see her legs. Cut US flare play out a little bit and then she goes F.. Here my like twenty questions to the guy too because it was a very straight form you had a jump off with in order for the experience you for you to experience to its fullest. And it's safest and it's like you're supposed to go out superman style and like keep your eyes straight ahead and I must have repeated like superman straight ahead like twenty times over before I actually jumped off the ledge. Wow that's so awesome. Good job all right. Let's roll into that final topic of the day. We're talking about a new project for Elizabeth Bank. She set to star in and direct invisible invisible woman for universal. So the deal is with this one because we also have Leeann els invisible man coming up so Tom This is all information about the previous versions. We're hearing that the invisible woman movie will not be linked to Leonov upcoming the invisible man but that the movies are inspired by the same story. Presumably that story being nineteen thirty. Three's the invisible man movie so you guys hear this. I have so many questions first. Let's start with Elizabeth Banks. I'm not sure who here saw Charlie's angels but do you have faith in Elizabeth banks as as far as her being a director going. You know the fact that this news broke after Charlie's angels underperformed big time with a with an eight million dollar opening and the reviews. Were not kind but yet the studio is still moving forward with our starring and directing the movie that they could've looked at the opening of Charlie's angels have been like let's dodge support and get someone else but they still showed faith in Elizabeth banks to direct this movie studios showing faith in them after. Charlie's angels I'm showing faith in her to. Oh also because you know what. Charlie's angels fifty million dollar budget and it looked like it had a lower budget and it just didn't have the cast of the cast and half the gravitas of in the first two movies did what Drew Barrymore Cameron Diaz Lucy Liu and the MC g directed those movies didn't have the style it didn't have the strength of it. Those movies are are in two thousand and two thousand three. Charlie's angels had a lock going against it. But I still feel like if the studio was still banking on Elizabeth. Thanks what big or go home If they're still GONNA put the money into banks Roy Roy Moore. We need one more around the drink. If they're willing to not go bankrupt Tayo. Oh ooh okay okay enough seriously. I like Elizabeth banks ally. I deliver us an actress as a producer as a trailblazer as a director. You know look. So what's Charlie's angels didn't do. Well the students still moving forward there for for invisible woman go for I liked. Charlie's angels quite a bit. I had a lot the fun with it but I will repeat what I said in my review is that I think a lot of my enjoyment came from cast chemistry. I really liked that trio and while I think she did did a fine job directing the movie. I didn't see anything. That may me CEO red flags here and here and here for your directing abilities. I still get no sense of style from her. I want to know what you're capable of that. I'm not going to get from another director and until I see that I'm not going to necessarily see a breaking news story like this and be super pump for Elizabeth bags directing another movie. I hope that maybe this will change that. But I don't necessarily think that even though I like Charlie's angels that changed. Just how I feel about her behind the Lens Love. DC movies shows and comic books while we have good news for you. DC Universe the ultimate DC membership is offering a special fourteen day free trial to our listeners. Visit DC UNIVERSE DOT COM slash podcast O. N. E. and use Promo Code Collider to start your free trial. DC Universe has so much to offer including in their action packed original series like doom patrol young justice outsiders swamping and titans season two. It doesn't stop there. The highly anticipated adult animated series Harley. Quinn premieres November twenty-ninth tune in to see Harley voiced by Keiko break things off with joker and attempt to make it on her own. will she be the newly liberated Queen Pin of Gotham city catch new episodes besides every Friday if you want to experience more. 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But you can't deny what you didn't box office pitch perfect two. But that was K- cannons thing right and she took it over in the second film. Directed made all this money. Great but perfect one had been sensations. How much of it was Elizabeth Banks? How much of it was the IP? Then we get to Charlie's angels underperforms forms but once again that source material just like pitch perfect and now we're into a source material. So I think there's a great point you bring up. What's her style all we? If we're not seeing her style off of source material we have to ask ourselves. What is her style? What is the draw here? It's interesting. They announced right after the fact that sank. Charlie's angels interesting move but look how many years in Hollywood have we seen men do well then then not do well with their next movie and get another opportunity so to me. I have no problem with her. Getting this opportunity my concern is what is she going to do with it. And those comments whether taken taken whether misconstrued or taken out of context. How does that affect the movie going audience? Who might go see this thing because remember the vegetable? The original visible woman is kind of comedy so it she going to do comedy this and if she does I'm all for it. If you know drama and put herself in it as the star that to me unsettles me a little bit. Because I didn't like does she put herself in. Charlie's angels you don't need to. There's another actress that could have played that part. So there's a little ego working here as well which is okay. It's Hollywood male a female. There's goes she. She wasn't post but also when it comes to her talent as a as a dramatic actress. What was the movie she did last year at the dark version? Superman car grand. Breitbart was great in bright. Burn a guy who was really good under under appreciated under senior. The it's a very good was this year earlier. This yes that's the point. Yeah came and went so bright. Burn definitely worth seeing but you know when I saw that she was directing a visible woman. I went oh okay interesting all right well they must really have faith in her. As far as what is her style in order for her to define her style gal she needs to direct a movie that is not based on an existing. I certainly possible. So look at Ryan. Johnson did looper and then he did last jet I now. He's back with nights lights out which is very very much but a great movie nights out but it's also the movie. He wanted to make it as his style so I think in order to find out what her style is maybe the maybe she said at some point maybe before invisible woman. Rafter make an Indie make a movie. That's an original film where she can really put her style into it but having said that. Definitely on T. banks so I think an excellent example of what you just said because I was desperately trying to think think of a director who burst onto the scene with a you know an adaptation are sequel or something that came before that wasn't an original Ip but then. I started to think of the example apple of Leon L.. Who made his feature direct Oriel debut insidious three? I'm a huge fan of that franchise. I Song Lee disliked installment of the IRA really do not like that movie and then all of a sudden he comes back. With upgrade and upgrade changed the game for him. I'm in my eyes as a director. And now I have all the faith in the world in him four invisible man so maybe I mean it still doesn't officially really fit. But like maybe maybe. She does need her upgrade in order to really make the most out of an opportunity like this. But you know the the other reason why I emphasize style is so important is just because of the visual challenges of making a movie with an invisible character. It's like part of the reason why I have great faith in Lanao now working with that concept one that we trailer now the place very well but also look at what he did with upgrade with a character that was kind of inhabited by another being and just the visual visual style and what he was able to achieve with. Something like that. That to me paves the way so obviously to invisible man whereas she's got nothing in her wheelhouse. That would suggest s to me that you could do something interesting with that concept. Why haven't you live your wild for this? That's a woman who comes onto the scene actress. She's working on soaking well. We'll figure it out well. Books has style book. Smart has a style bookstore. petsmarts a terrific movie also an undersea movie appreciate a movie. A drop the ball on that by releasing that wide made that they should have held that back for like October or even November were select cities and platform but also directed like Todd Haynes who does movies that are very much his style like on not there You Know Velvet Goldmine by Bennie mixed the movie like dark waters which is is very sort of contemporary. But it's broad and dark waters is a great fan Santa's Gus Van Sant will when he started out into dipped into the dipped in the the mainstream stuff then back out whenever he felt like it so to me. I'm just I'm concerned here. Also because she she is Very powerful woman. She wants to push. She is very much a feminist. And I appreciate that because that is something that she wants to accomplish in this world and you gotTa respect that but women didn't come out see. Charlie's angels what is do we. You have to understand. We have to figure out what Elizabeth banks power is or attraction is an if the fans are if movie going public want to go see her material. So I think we'll we'll see after visible woman with her a very hard time believing that Charlie's angels as a box office failure is her fault or any member of that casts fall. I I think we are in a very best the cost and no. I don't think it's any individual like like. I don't think you could look a movie like that and say this failed because of you. Nobody wants wants to see your movies. No one wants to see ladies that has nothing to do with that. I think it's more of just a landscape concern. We happen to have been in a major Lal at the box office end of October beginning of November. You had something like joker sweep the box office so many weeks then all of a sudden you've got people saving their money for frozen to the holiday movies coming up. We were just in a crappy time at the box office. I think of that. If Charlie's angels again had been released any other time of year maybe it would have had a better chance. I'm not saying that would have been a smash hit. But I don't think it was any individual's fault where I will think about that and say you know the next time. Elizabeth Banks Directs Movie. It's probably going to be box office bomb because people didn't turn up for last one. Why wouldn't you why do you have to? Why do you have to cop out by saying you know people come to see whatever they want to come to see and what they don't WanNa come Z.? And if they didn't want to come see it that says volumes. It's as a female that action movie. That was touted as such so. If people didn't show up it can't just be where it was released. There has to be more involved here it catches up yours. There's always a million factor. There's always talks about the I would put i. I mean there's there's tons of things Luke in marketing and say that studio cut shitty trailers for that was a maybe. There's something to the fact after you're talking about when you have a property that hasn't had a theatrical presents. A very very doctor sleep which I loved doctor. Sleep was great. Great and it Bob. Well Bob do well. Charlie's angels. Yeah he he goes through a look. Charlie's angels the last two movies the last one. Charlie's angels full throttle came out in two thousand three I loved. Charlie's angels does full throttle. I thought that was an awesome. Great time at the movies but that was two thousand three this another thing. You can point to write bright burn leisure go. Who who's leading that her her or and the kid is attractive from that was a smaller release? That wasn't that wasn't missing. Track record. I don't understand his. We would analyze any other person. This way there's nothing to do with tracker. Then I can make the exact opposite argument with her involvement in the pitch perfect franchise which was what ten fifteen ten years ago. She hasn't like we're a little bit. What do you mean the second one? Or the first one she owned the first and the second and even the first direct the furniture he was she was still a big presence. That that role has higgins right because they were essentially the same character essentially the same character. They will do all the whole time. I don't know we're GONNA talk and we're GonNa talk in circles interest. We keep this up but I still think the Charlie is in a good example of saying like you're box office poison for anybody. I think that's more of a of a landscape and a and a branding issue. I think people just weren't into another Charlie's angels were not into another reboot remake sequel. Whatever you WanNa do it would do the same at eight point? John John If if John if Emma stone and Jennifer Lawrence we're going to be in this version choice angels. which is they were going after? That would have been a different. The you agree. There's the difference released. Well it's attraction with that in mind then go back to I mean Zombie. Land did fairly well but Jonah Plant Zombie. Land had Jesse Eisenberg Woody Harrelson. Ms Shown it had loopholes. And Thomas meant you could go on and on about all the famous faces and that still wasn't necessarily like a smash hit you know what I mean. Yeah I didn't expect it to be anyway. Don't hear the question. I mean we talk about this all the time the the value of a name on a poster and is that changing with the times and you know the value of a brand name on a poster. And how much will really interested in seeing certain successful franchises come back to the big screen and that conversation is GonNa continue because those movies aren't going to stop having anytime soon. A couple twitter questions before a live chat questions before we say good bye Ono I see it like a message from Dorian here wait. Let me read this really quick. Look at your name in it Roco. Uh Do mail back. You'd better be able to do mailman. Dorian wrote I haven't seen Rocca this positive about a review since the transformers former movies Rambo Ninety fifth and better paid the first transformers. Or bubby I love all all the transformers was the first one I've loved Bumblebee. I hate everything while. You're a shame because it made four and a half billion dollars is not everything. Well all right. Here's the Hollywood thanksgiving question for you. D. A. N. G. M. Q.. Asks favorite Thanksgiving food favorite Thanksgiving food. Oh mashed potatoes Tawfiq natural to me I would probably eat nothing else on the table. Just eat go for this potato. Turkey's already Turkey's already given for all of us I think Stuffing would be much stuffing with great coke No but I eat the cooking. Yeah cooking I eat the food that my family ordered it because my family cooks you. You knew it was going to be true. We're GONNA ask what your favorite Thanksgiving movie to watch on Thanksgiving. ooh Well we've discussed that a little bit. But what's your. I Love Santa Music. The the you know whether it's Thanksgiving weekend or Christmas weekend it's time was time was class. You know what my pick is for favorite thanksgiving. No it's final destination because nothing brings my family together faster than mine on this. I never would have guessed that exactly asked ask three football games the NFL. On Americans. I have to watch the bears game. All right let's see how many more we can get in right now. Jonathan Caro says if you have seen the the macy's Thanksgiving parade or any any other parade. What's your favorite parade float? Also what character would you create for your own parade flowed baby freaking Yoda. Aw Aw is the answer I think I've been to the Thanksgiving family in New York so I've been Thanksgiving many times come. What's a Thanksgiving parade without Spiderman? So would float Spiderman is New York City spider-man's the I think the ultimate ultimate big balloon float at a at a parade and especially at Thanksgiving. I like a homer Simpson. Whenever he's afloat or is it Bart whenever either one of the simpsons because there's always some interesting cracks they make whenever the simpsons come rolling by with their thing? It'll be your favorite. Yoda Lifelong New Yorker. You know. I've never actually seen the Thanksgiving Day. Parade live the only thing I've ever. I've steered clear and also because one of my first jobs out of college was working for local news there New York one and I always like purposely obviously wanted to take thanksgiving off spent with my family and I usually work on Christmas but I did cover the night before when they blow up the balloons. And that's that's really. Could you could walk right up to it. It's like I have a picture of myself standing like right in front of it and I'm like this teeny little thing in front of you know that that part was very recall but I like watching it on. TV Thanksgiving Parade Rose Bowl parade. Go to Times Square in New York. City status experience. That I've done you guys do that at least once once. What's his leg? I didn't even go as low as like a like a person being corralled. That's that night I went for work and even just being there with a press badge being able to go in and out to an extent like I mean we were there for hours and hours and it was is in bringing in two thousand nine and it was something like the coldest new years on record and something like decades. It was freezing at the very end that night I was assigned to film the cleanup and they have like big tractor thing. He's pushing stuff around and one rolled over a full bottle of water and it popped opt all the by the time I looked down. It had all frozen over my coat. It was cold it was cold. It was weird. It was crazy night but it was good experiences. Yeah all right one more holiday related question before we go Oriented more so I lost the one I wanted. Oh here it is Fillmore pockets is asking which three props from all of the TV shows and movies in twenty nineteen. Would you wait in black. Friday line signed to purchase. Jesus it's a good question. I Love I love props forty four. You'RE GONNA wait in line for an animated. I just want a real forty. Just want a little four key to sit with me. I would wait in line to steal something from the mansion and knives out. Oh okay one on one one piece of of decoration. I don't know specifically what I would want. I would want the clock in Christopher plummer bedroom. There's just like a really cool old school looking clock. I think I would take that. Would stand in line for captain. America's shield from vendors. Endgame site by Chris Evans. Oh wow you just like raise the bar. That's that's that's like peak purchase. Stand alive or stuff anymore you just. It's not worth the hassle so it was like if there's one thing I'm Gonna I'm GonNa make it a big thing and just one. I would stand the the mind for film TV for a uniform. Full uniform shirt pants boots from star trek discovery. Oh wait a minute the crew at the enterprise. Oh Nice happened. Pike's that from the enterprise with the gold shirt and black ants announce uniform. Yeah I feel it. I feel like my mind goes to more practical things. Like what can I reasonably put in my apartment. I'm thinking like I'd probably wait in line even for a pair of screen scissors from us. I would go for all my favorite my favorite movies with all the stuff that we're getting you know with all the year that stuff that could be coming. Do you know how many pairs of scissors we already have in the studio. You know for all the mailer since the very beginning of his office dressed up as someone who is tethered because we have a million scissors floating around the sad thing is. They don't actually cut anything they don't they don't work. You don't give a pair of scissors in in the collider office or like gold. Can you buy a pair of scissors. Someone we'll take them put them back or if you want to buy them reach out to me all right guys. That's it for today's movie. Talk so we will not be back back tomorrow. I hope you enjoy the holiday with your family. Your friends your loved ones but we will have an episode special episode for you on Friday. Stay tuned for that and as far as live live movie talks go. I'm missing the beginning of next week because I'm going to go do some coverage of the Marvelous Mazel season three guests who is in charge and read it right here in good hands at Roca. Man's thank you so much perspective really. Is Adam in the booth door and in the live chat you you guys rock. Thanks so much for everything to everybody out there. Do not leave without liking and sharing this video and also don't go anywhere else after this except for clatter live have have a wonderful holiday. Everyone see soon.

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Greta Gerwig Couldn't Resist 'Little Women'

The Frame

28:19 min | 6 months ago

Greta Gerwig Couldn't Resist 'Little Women'

"KPCC's supporters include searchlight pictures presenting Joe Rabbit nominated for six Academy Awards supporting actress Scarlett Johansson adapted screenplay by tyco. I T T film editing production design costume design and Best Picture of the year and Twentieth Century Fox presenting Ford Versus Ferrari directed by James Mangold and starring Matt Damon and Christian. Bale Ford Versus Ferrari is now nominated for four Academy Awards including Best Picture of the year frame fans. This is Oscar Garza senior producer of the show. You've probably noticed that our broadcast schedule has been affected by the impeachment trial. And that's it's the case again today. So we're bringing you this encore episode that originally aired on December seventeenth featuring John Horn interview with Greta. Gerwig the writer director of little women and she has since received an academy award nomination for her adapted screenplay enjoy and thanks for listening from the Mon Broadcast Center at KPCC. This is the frame. I'm John Horn on. Today's show a photographer. Artfully documents. Personal belongings taken from detainees at the US Mexico border then writer director. Greta GERWIG explains how she made a version of little women that felt modern but also faithful to what so many readers loved about the eighteen sixties. Novel there's a long list of women for whom this book meant very acidic freedom and ambition and what I wanted to do was make a film that was in the tradition of why that inspired them all that coming up on the frame. KPCC's supporters include searchlight pictures presenting Joe Rabbit nominated for six academy me awards supporting actress Scarlett Johansson adapted screenplay by tyco. Itt Film Editing Production Design Costume Design and best picture of the year. Now playing being in theaters nationwide for more than a decade photographer. Thomas Keefer worked as a janitor at a border patrol station in southern Arizona. He'd often find personal belongings from border. Crossers that had been confiscated by agents and tossed in the trash Kiefer began taking photos of of the discarded items and now they're being exhibited his photography show currently at the screwball center in West. La Is titled El Sueno Americano. The Frame Contributor Marcos has our story too small chairs and two pairs of headphones are stationed in a corner. Kenner gallery slip on the headphones outcomes. gwen Stefani And even a little Marvin Gaye says one thing and Maya while you're listening to the jams. You see a large framed photograph showing rows and rows of CDs on a hot pink background from South Dakota Soul. This music belong to a woman named Cynthia Goggles. Lucas photographer Tom. Keefer foundered trash collection in southern Arizona. He took a picture of the set and shares it now in his ass. When you America no show the as for Cynthia? We don't really know made several years ago. Tom Keefer ran an antique shop shop in. La Silverlake neighborhood. The share and Bette midler reknowned poppy and now and again but when times got tough he moved to the small border town of a Ho Arizona. Kiefer took a job as a custodian cleaning the local. US Border Patrol station. It wasn't long before he noticed a troubling trend. It was summer of two thousand and seven that all this food perfectly good canned food was just being thrown away and it just it bothered me deeply. That food belong to people. People like Cynthia Guy Goes Lucas trying to make their way across the dangerous Sonoran desert border when federal agents capture someone most if not all of their personal belongings longings including food water clothes cash condoms and toys even fortune. Cookie papers are trashed. But Tom Keefer says. It wasn't always that way in auto when I started working at the station more. My first memories was of the agents collecting food and taking it to our local Food Bank Inc.. And then there's a change in leadership and when the head chief found out what was going on with the food he would immediately a halt to that. I mean there are people out there to arrest and that is how it all started. I couldn't take it anymore. And so I went to one of the supervisors Risers and I said Hey. Can I bring this food to the food bank and his exact words to me. Were bless you but when Kiefer would sift through through the trash bins to pull out the food. He's started finding lots more than canned tuna. Oh my God. There's a Bible here. There's a rosary. There's a a family photograph. It just instinctively struck me as this is not right so whenever I would see something like like that I would just put it in with the box where the food he'd smuggled out larger bulkier items like backpacks and blankets in big trash crash bags shoes. The genes anything that was considered non essential or potentially lethal was taken away confiscated and then just thrown in the trash. I met up with Kiefer recently in Phoenix. Learn more about his work. We're to frame. Shop is getting some prince finished for upcoming shows and for clients like Chapman University in Orange County Keefer had not initially planned on taking pictures of the personal treasures from the trash but here in Phoenix. Excuse me brainstorm with fellow artists and shared some test shots. I have to admit I was one of the skeptical people I thought. They're a little too. designee Liz Ellen. His his head curator at a gallery in Phoenix. But I knew because I've seen this happen before you see early work of someone and you realize Oh this is going somewhere somewhere. Eventually Allan featured Kiefer's growing body of work at North Light that show Kathy I of L. A. Scarborough Centre and the rest is history but far away from the pristine halls of high end. Galleries is the harsh reality of the people who owned the objects and Kiefer's pictures. I read before I met the photographer in Phoenix. I went to a gathering where people were writing Christmas cards for for migrant families who were incarcerated at immigration detention centers here in the Phoenix area. But at least we can do is send them a little card and let them know that at least were still thinking about author. Esther Doron lamb is with refugee aid group called. I'm caged and reunite families. She works directly with the people that most of us can only imagine when we look at timekeepers. There's pictures I showed her some of his photos including one of a single eyelash curler is just a little something to say. You know what I still care about myself I care hi look I haven't lost my identity. Durant lum was also struck by the portrait of dozens of confiscated cell phones. She says the picture tells only part of the story of someone seeking asylum so she fills in the rest when the court would send a message to their cell phone that you know the court date was such and such. They're never GONNA get it. They have have no phone. They have nothing so they miss it and then they say okay. You're not eligible. Estrogen lamb suggests that Tom Keefer to visit the refugee welcome center near the Phoenix Airport Airport before he heads back to our team will guide them through the Roper Room. You're saying like close close. We quickly realize keefer connects with people. When they're stripped of their belongings? Here new versions of those items are restored. That is at least for those lucky enough to make it this far. I keep on discovering things I realized. Oh my God that hair of coveralls someone who worked as a mechanic or I mean as when you have a medico account for the frame I'm Marcos Nafta Thomas Kiefer's exhibition is at the Skirt Ball Center through March eighth coming up on the frame how Greta Gerwig willed herself onto the remake of little women. KABC PODCASTS are supported by twentieth century. Fox presenting Ford Versus Ferrari directed by James Mangold and starring Matt Damon in Christian. Bale Ford versus Ferrari was named best film of the Year by Kenneth Durant The Los Angeles Times and now nominated for four Academy Awards including including Best Picture. KPCC PODCASTS are supported by Warner brothers. You're listening to the Oscar nominated score from Joker Todd Phillips's oscar-nominated vision of a man struggling in a world without empathy varieties Owen gleiberman named joker the best film of two thousand. Nineteen calling it a movie that can and will stand the test of time. Walking Phoenix Mesmerizes in the performance of the Year now nominated for Eleven Academy Awards and eleven BAFTA awards including best picture director. Todd Phillips and Dr Joaquin Phoenix. There's a new film adaptation of Little Women on its way to theaters writer director. Greta Gerwig take on. Louisa May alcott's eighteen sixties. Novel comes out on Christmas Day and yes you should take the family in this version of the beloved story. The March Sisters Meg. Joe Beth and amy are played by Emma Watson Sir Sharon Elisa scanlon and Florence pugh Laura dern plays their mother and Meryl Streep is they're wealthy aunt march even before she knew that film producer. Amy Pascal was developing a new adaptation of little women. Greta GERWIG had thoughts about how she'd tell the story on film. Her connection to the book started a long time ago. Little women has been a book that I have loved my whole life in a very deep way to the point where my memories and the memories of the March sisters were intertwined. In that way that I think books of your youth can mean something thing even beyond being books because They become part of your family. I think that's that's the magic of Reading when you're a child does the the distinction between fiction and reality is thin for you or it was for me anyway But I hadn't read it since I was about fourteen or fifteen and then I read it in my early early thirties. I think when I turned thirty and I All the stuff came out at me in the book that I it not when I was a child like Aetna passion get so savage could hurt anyone and I've enjoyed it. Your remind me of myself how you're never angry. I'm angry nearly every damn I reading it in as an adult old. I heard all of these different things. I saw it as much spike gear and sadder and stranger and almost almost more triumphant in a certain way and also just this kind of being aware of an author was another layer of it for me that Joe Both wants is to be an author but then Louisa author and so even though Gel march by the end of the book says she stops her ink well and stops writing writing and gets married and has children opens the school the Louisa though wrote and she wrote that book and we know it. Because there's the book you no. I just sort of had an idol saw about well if I made this I'd want to center on this. I'd WanNa Center on all these themes that I felt I hadn't really Seen yet about it which was ambition and money and women an art and I heard in passing. My agents Said added a dinner. Oh they're interested making little women again and I was saying we have to go. I have to go talk to them. I have an idea and I hadn't made anything at that point. But he got me a meaning and I I went and I talked to them and I told them some version of what I wanted to do and And I said that I want to direct it and they wanNA write in direct and I hadn't had nothing to really show that I could do that so but at the very luckily hired me to write it and then I wrote my draft in two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen and then I went away and I may lady bird and and then by the time I was finishing that up they said well what would you think about making little women and I thought I said well. I knew you'd ask. I'm ready but it was It was one of those fatuity turns of events. I want to ask about that perspective that you had had of reading the book as an adult versus as a young woman. Sure and the perspective you have as somebody who is a creative person deaths writing in movies and making movies because so much of the movie and it certainly in the book as well is about the challenges of being creative person and how you value your your own art how you compromise with people financing it and how you find your voice even in those parameters. That's right now. There's Uh you you you picked up all the cards I put down. No it's a it's funny. It's that the the opening scene between Joe March and her publisher Mr Dash would which the majority of it is actually word for word from the book when she says I took care to have a few of my centers repent and he says people want to be amused. Not Preached preached morals. Don't sell nowadays. That could be mean talking to studio head about about something. I WANNA do but I it was. It was all there for me to be discovered. I didn't invent it like I said that scene is a scene from the book but it felt so relevant to right now and then beyond that when I was researching Louisa May alcott and it became clear that that who louise male caught was was equally the subjects that I was interested in and it was the subject I was interested in. Because it's embedded in the book. Look at yourself theory. Someday you'll need me. You'll wish you have behaved better. Thank you so much for your employment in your many kindnesses but I intend to make my own way in the world. No one makes their own way. Not really we all woman. You'll need to marry well you you are not married because I'm rich and then when you learn about her life is you know. Unlike Joe. She never got married she never had children and but she kept writing and she did keep her copyright of little women. which is you know? Huge thing that she did and I mean there were so many things about her life and what she did. That felt eerily familiar and I think even even in the fact that a a publisher and even herself but her publisher truly didn't know what a hit he had and I find that happens all the time time that there's a constant underestimating of audiences that are not the same audience of the the people who are in charge of publishing or whatever for that maybe the first half of little because it is really to books as written ends so group. The curtain falls upon Meg. Joe Beth and amy whether other it ever rises again depends upon the reception given to the first act of the domestic drama called little women. Yes it's almost like she's saying I've got a sequel but I hope people by the I know she's She's a business lady no she and and and it it. It's worth saying in the initial printing sold out in two weeks and it has not been out of print for one hundred and fifty years in nineteen eighty four. There was a story. Little women leads is poll novel rated ahead of Bible for influence on high school pupils. Yeah that's nice. I mean I mean it's just nice for her and it raises other questions like what people take away from the book because you can interpret it in very different ways. I'm going to give you two prominent Senate women who have thoughts about it. The first Gloria Steinem who said in nineteen ninety-two. Where else could we have read about an all female group who discussed work art right and all the great questions or found girls who wanted to be women and not vice versa? Oh that's beautiful found girls that wanted to be women vice versa. And here's the author Camille Paalea who says the whole thing is like a horror movie. I know that that that take his I think they're really I mean there's two books as published. There's this first book that is I. Think what if you have an idea In your head of the iconography of little women. It's usually from the first book. It's the kind of Christmas to Christmas structure. And the you know the second half of the Book Louisa May alcott joked. She should've called the wedding marches because they all got married and truly British version is called good wise exactly zoo you know. It wasn't this to book structure which is part of why I structured the film as I did starting with them as adults Because I wanted to start with the second half but I also think there's two books embedded headed in it because if you just read the book on its face value with this kind of pre Victorian morality of You know domesticity city in virtue tied to femininity and all of these. You know these kind of tidy Bos Put on each chapter then. I think you miss yes. What's really roiling underneath? And if you read it that way of course Camille Paglia is completely right. It is something that would be a horror show if that is all you're seeing but the way I look at it is if you can take the ending of the book where she felt she must marry Joe off to someone because that's what the readers demanded and and she made this economic decision that that's what she would do Because she had so books then if you if you read everything through the Lens of will she had to make it all kind of tidy for the time then if you just take away the tidiness what's left is a whole bunch of ambition and mass and anger and lust and craziness craziness and things. That don't fit neatly into any box. And so what I wanted to do was not update the text. The text doesn't need updating. I wanted to take away the constraints of the time in some ways. Because that's what was interesting to me and even in those constraints Louisa. It really did do her. Best to try to imagine what what would in a gala -tarian marriage look like would something that was not essentially Indentured servitude. Be as a marriage and I feel that you know Gloria Steinem being one of them but with Simone Tip Avar or Patti Smith Orellana Orellana or JK. Rowling there's a long list of women for whom this book meant very specific freedom and ambition. And what what I wanted to do was make a film that was in the tradition of why that inspired them. Because it's there's gotta be a reason more than she got married to professor bear up next on the frame more of my conversation with filmmaker Greta Gerwig she explains how a pivotal title seen in little women was influenced by a sketch on Saturday night live. KPCC PODCASTS are supported by Warner brothers. Presenting Joker From Academy Award Nominated Director Co writer and producer. Todd billips see Joaquin Phoenix's this is Golden Globe critics choice and screen actors guild winning performance. You're listening to the Oscar nominated score varieties gleiberman named joker the best film of Two Thousand Nineteen in calling it a movie that can and will stand the test of time now nominated for Eleven Academy Awards including Best Picture Best Director and best actor for your consideration Russian. Let's get back now to my conversation with Greta Gerwig the screenwriter and director of little women. Sir Sha Ronan plays Joe March in the film she also we started Gerwig 2017 directing debut lady bird which brought them both Oscar. Nominations with little women Gerwig says she and Ronin both felt felt incredibly close to the story. We had a kind of mystical connection with the material with the with the book with with the character of Joe and with the person of Louisa May Alcott and I remember the day on sets when we were doing this long pushing on Sertucha and she just suddenly sat in this particular way and cocked her head in a particular way and I almost lost gasped because I thought Oh my God that's joe that's Joe March and then we rolled out and I ran out from from the other side of the camera and then she looked at me and she said I know I know and I thought Oh my God she no. It's like Joe Kane. Joe came to play with us so I feel like the connection in that I have assertion is so deep in. We both were waiting for the person to arrive. That was Joe Slash Louisa and then she came and and it's both both of us in. Its neither of us. I'M GONNA play a video which doesn't really translate well on the radio. You'RE GONNA watch it and you'RE GONNA know why it's important. Yes Oh my God. We're watching Steve. Martin Gilda radner dancing together on Saturday night live and it's one of my favorite things on television or film and in a way this was us. Oh my God I love it. It makes me laugh and cry every time I see it. But this is something I showed Timothy. Insertion did their dance outside. The Gardner Party and and this was an inspiration for it. And it's it's a combination of a kind of it. Sort of looks like a sit Sheri's Gene Kelly dance number that then they go into this silly dancing which is amazing and I have to say it makes me laugh because it's very funny and also makes me cry in the way I I I would hope maybe people if they see a little women would cry because guild is gone and she was one of the greatest ever and I I think we see it. I I feel that like you know that her her funniness her humanity her beauty her elegance. Her you know taking the Piss out of herself all at once and I I think we're the lesser for her passing and I I think In some ways that's also what I wanted to capture in little women with this structure of We start when they're adults and and really those four sisters are never altogether again which which they don't know that they'll never all be together again and I think I don't know that ache but I feel it when I watched. That isn't one of the best things ever put to the idea at. They're confined by a Dan style that is prescribed by using and they start doing crazy dance because they're not going to be limited by what everybody else wants. uh-huh do in some ways. That's not only a good definition of what you WANNA do with little women but also that idea that you can take something that looks formal. Yes and make it fun. Yeah well I mean yeah I think also what I love about that and what I wanted to play with in in this is when you have a shared signifier shared iconography. You can have a lot of fun playing with how how you want to shift off of that or comment on it while it's happening and so one of the great pleasures for me as a filmmaker making this is is these signifier Xichang of little women of gathered around the fireplace reading the letter from father. I have to have that and I want to have it and I want it to be as beautiful as we all remember and and then also it's gone existed Joe's memory so being able to kind of do that and even you know the big romantic ending of like I got got to have you know rain machines and can't run a crane and when I had was working with Alexander and saying right the cymbal crash Alex Yes yes and then I get twisted so it was always like I was getting to play with what is so iconic about the book and then what is in the filmmaking language we've ascribed to these kinds of stories and then how can I introduce something different. which is what this clip clip does exactly? So it's funny. I mean I guess I would say I was really heavily influenced by this. SNL sketches but. But I do. I think you know you never know where your your your inspiration comes from that I remember watch- being shown that when I was a child and it really made an impact on me because I also I loved those Gene Kelly movies and So I knew exactly what they were referencing and I knew exactly why it was funny. I'M GONNA ask you one last question. I remember seeing a tweet when the trailer came out and said this is my star wars. Oh it's so lovely and it's really lovely but it also means it's also important that you come out a week after Star Wars but that this movie and this book means so much to so many people and I guess it sounds sounds like a A superhero line with great power comes great responsibility. It's scary about what this means to. So many people and how you honor that and then make it something new and that is yours. You know. Definitely I mean it's it's a responsibility. I felt which is why when I was writing it and preparing to direct it. I really had a it had a real long talk with myself in the woods about whether or not I was up to it because I don't come at this material lightly and I don't come at People's calls love of it lightly and it's something that I needed to do for myself in the way that I that I understood the material that I was hearing the material will new and that I was honoring everybody's collective love and memory of it so it's a balancing and I mean in a way it's not unlike star wars in the This this memory you have of every child and then what how do you honor that and then undo something new and by the way I also do love story so I I feel like we can have it all of it so good to see you. Thanks for you you. That was really fun. You little women on Christmas Day and that'll do it for today. I'm John Horn. Thanks for listening. We're back here tomorrow at the Broadcast Center

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Spirituality Without God; Making Smart Financial Decisions In 2020

Here & Now

41:32 min | 7 months ago

Spirituality Without God; Making Smart Financial Decisions In 2020

"From NPR and WB. You are tiny Moseley. I'm Robin Young. It's here now. After weeks delaying the move speaker of the House. Nancy Pelosi may send articles of impeachment to the Senate this week could a Senate trial before behind presidential candidate Cory Booker announced. He's dropping out of the twenty twenty race as the Democrats debate again this week and and into the mix this week mixed messages about why the US killed a top Marine general triggering a cascade of events lots to talk about this Monday morning with NPR congressional reporter. Cloudy Ghazaleh's Hi Claudia. Hi there so start with the articles of impeachment were expecting a speaker Pelosi to send those to the Senate next couple of days just briefly. Is that still still on track. So that is very possible. We could see. Those articles of impeachment moved as early as Tuesday is our understanding. There's a caucus meeting that morning for her party and she could name house managers. Who is the prosecution team that will present the case in the Senate and they could do these articles and move them that evening's earliest earliest evening? This this could pick up speed. She's been criticized for taking this long though and yesterday on. ABC's this week she defended her approach. Let's listen I've always said I would send them over. So there's no there should be a mystery to that what we did want though when we think we accomplished in the past few weeks that we wanted the public to see the need for witnesses witnesses with firsthand knowledge of what happened. Well they did former national security adviser John Bolton emerged to say he wants to testify defy Republicans have been saying no firsthand knowledge and he has that can they really not call to testify. That's very possible. Senate Republicans have been very strong for the most part led by McConnell that they are not as interested in calling these witnesses now there is a group of Republicans including et Maine. Senator Collins who is working she said with a small group of members and looking at the potential of calling some witnesses and this could be through a deposition. This may not be witnesses. Testifying live in in in the chamber. But it's very possible though with some senators pushing for are no witnesses that we don't see any but that all is remains to be seen. Now I want to switch gears for a second and go to the White House's changing rationale now for the killing of the Iranian General Qasim Sulamani. The president trump telling Fox News on Friday. He took the action because there was an imminent threat of four four. US embassies being attacked yesterday though. Defense Secretary Mark Espera had this exchange with CBS face. The nation host Margaret Brennan when asked directly about about this intelligence of an imminent attack for the president didn't say it was tangible He didn't say the specific piece of evidence. What he says he probably he believes? Are you saying that one one. I didn't see one with regard to four embassies. What I'm saying is I share the president's view that probably my expectation was they're gonNA go after our embassies this morning the president tweeted Out Imminent doesn't matter you know this General had a really bad history. I it's just hard to hear a defense secretary. Sorry say I didn't see the evidence but I shared his view. Possibly how's this going over. Yes it's been a very confusing and shifting being message. That's come from the administration from the president to his top officials such as Marquess spurts. It's hard to keep track of the reasoning joining that. Fueled this attack and it's it's causing a lot of confusion. What was behind this the four embassies that detail that wasn't in the Intel Esper- made that clear her and now trump is shifting away from saying you know imminent Is Not as critical here. So it's it's making this very confusing conversation to follow. We'll I'm wondering cloudy you've got your ear to the ground there. Republicans have been burned before by false information leading to war the weapons of mass destruction. That were not there That led to the war in Iraq. That some say is still a part of this cascade of events what are you hearing from Republicans in particular accuser while there are some Republicans that are speaking out in the Senate. Mike Lee of Utah in rand. Paul of Kentucky Mike Lee in particular he left left a briefing last week really frustrated with the details they weren't able to obtain related to this attacking concerns that they were being misled as to the reasoning running behind. What fueled the killing of this Iranian general so other Republicans are still defending the president but there or is there is some concern among some of their members? We just have a few seconds here but New Jersey Senator Corey Booker Is Do you think he's completely out of the picture or might he be on the radars a a second. I think we could see him again. He showed a lot of potential. During this run it does leave less diverse group behind for the Democrats. But I think we'll see more of cory booker in the future ahead. NPR Congressional reporter. Claudia Grew Saleh's thank you as always thank you for having being me. People in Iran are protesting their government after the country admitted to shooting down that Ukrainian jetliner last week killing everyone on board Iran. It had initially denied shooting down the plane before changing its story. The downing of that plane came after Iran fired missile strikes against basis in Iraq where there were American American troops and that action was in retaliation to the US drone strike that killed. Iran's top military commander who was in Baghdad at the time or do adare guy he is an international correspondent for the Independent. He's joins us from Istanbul and where zoo described the reaction Iran to the admission that it shut down this issue cranium airplane I think I you have to kind of understand who was on this plane. These were not like average humdrum people. These were people mostly who are graduates. So it's many of them of the most elite and prestigious universities in Iran in a certain circle in Tehran especially this is just causing a a massive wave of grief across a very large swath of people of an influential people. And so on and you can see that. The regime Ashim is rather frightened and flustered a little bit intimidated by the wave of grief. That has been engulfing the quarter of the country. That's affected by this. Yeah we're we're seeing lots of photos and video of people out in the streets. What are people asking from the government? They're asking the government to show some more accountability. They're asking for resignations and prosecutions real explanations. But I think it's also sort of fused with a persistent anger anti-regime anti-regime sentiment that has been prevailant for years. Now and so. I think that you know what you're seeing is a lot of grief of course a lot of anger at the government but you wpro allot also of people just not wanting the regime and seeing this as an opening to retake control of the political narrative in the country after the sort of surge of nationalism and pro regime sentiment that followed the US assassination of RTC commander Kassem supermarket mark asking for resignations. Are they also asking for the resignation of the supreme leader. I think that there's a certain portion of the Iranian population that includes and straddles over the people who are angry about this plane crash. That would definitely like the resignation of the supreme leader. But I don't think that anyone anyone has specifically called for that. They've called for the death of the supreme leader. But I haven't heard anyone saying you know we want to resign. They just want him gone. Yeah you mentioned the discontent. I mean all of us were watching late last year when thousands of Iranians took to the street and those nationwide anti-government protests tests that were sparked by high gas prices. Can you put this in even more context for us How these particular protests are connected to that? They're or not and that's part of the problem and you can see the way that the government handle those protests which were largely lower middle class and poor people in Ethnic nick parts of the country I e Arab and Kurdish and the the regime opened fire on them and killed anywhere from three hundred. Fifteen hundred. Now you know when it comes to ooh this particular crowd of protesters the elite the regime is teach treating them with somewhat kid gloves. You know yes. There's been a couple of reports of shootings and so on but by nine large the response has been restrained no kind of ferocious gunfire and so on against these kids. You never know whose kid they could be. He killing it could be the son or daughter of one of the regime elites it's worth mentioning that the US Navy shutdown and Iranian plane back in nineteen eighteen eighty eight killing about two hundred ninety people on board and that was during the Iran Iraq war In the US later admitted that it was a tragic and regrettable edible accident. I'm wondering of that at all is are on people's minds as as we're talking about What happened just last week? I think it should be just from this point of view. I'll make kind of a rare kind of a bit of moral clarity if if possible. You have these people belligerently deliberately yelling at each other. Firing rockets n each other and so on and who suffers the consequences innocent civilians and it's happening over and over again and and you know maybe the the leaders of both the United States and Iran and the Gulf states and other Arab states in the region. Just have to recognize that. It's it's just too tight Height of a planet for these kinds of games. And there's no way of having these kinds of nineteenth century style Imperial Ariel brinksmanship type conflicts without bringing completely innocent civilians into it. They're the ones who pay the cost. they are the ones who pay the cost when the US Navy accidentally shot down the plane in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight and they're the ones who paid the cost when the Iranian armed forces accidentally shocked on a plane in two thousand. Twenty that's zoo Dr Guy. He is the international correspondent for the Independent. Speaking with us from Istanbul. Oprah Zoo thank you thank you so much long. According to the global research firm YouGov one of the top ten resolutions Sion's for twenty twenty was to be more spiritual and to illustrate that they used an icon of a person. Meditating not praying all this week will be taking a closer look. Look at secular spirituality. It's not religion. We have deep respect for people's faiths their choice of a personal God and a set of agreed upon tenants but but you can be religious and still yearn for more connection with the human spirit and according to the Pew Research Center. More Americans now say they are s. b. the and are spiritual but not religious. Maybe you've seen that on dating sites then there are the nuns when asked religious affiliation. They say none. There's a yearning for a deeper way to live and to interact with people. We disagree with in other words for a way to be more like Krista Tippett. I'm Krista Tippett and this is on being Krista is creator and host of Radio's on being which has become as the New Yorker said of full blown multi armed cultural institution and the ongoing project the civil conversation project people with opposing views speaking with Krista. There's also the people suppers communities with opposing views. Dining together together will link you up at here now dot org it's pretty amazing. And KRISTA launches our series today from her mother ship in Minneapolis. Chris so nice to speak with you. Well thank you. And how would you describe spirituality to me. The root meaning when we speak about spirituality is interior life last year scientists at Yale and Columbia said that they located the spiritual part of the brain not necessarily activated by religion. There's a region of the brain. You can Z.. Where people's religious feelings light up their brain but they said you can also see spirituality? This is when people turn their attention to themselves. Offs or other people spiritual experience can be a feeling of communion with God but it also can be a feeling of being one in nature or when one embraces humanity. It can be as simple as being elated during sporting events which is also again points at how broad this is. I love. I love the way you're framing this series series that you're doing because we are a culture that has for a while now really only rewarded and privileged exterior. Are Your accomplishment. Not Too long ago just about everyone had some religious identity that the inherited like the inherited their hometown in their hair-color nine and ten Americans nine and ten and that may have been a good experience it may have been a bad experience but there was a place given to each of us wear where reflection was invited. It's hard to carve out space for it right in the way we live now. Young people in particular are making the politics religion or work. Their religion spin class their church. What are you hearing the original report from Pew that that coined this phrase the nuns? No any S. it. We still a very very tiny percentage of people who said that they don't believe in anything you know. We've had a huge inflow of young people into the media listening space that is on being in recent years and I experience that especially among some of the people well who call themselves nuns. There is a real spiritual curiosity. I would say a fairy passionate desire ear to be of service which in my mind I kind of liken the nuns to the early monastic movements it because the monastic movements were spiritual renewal movements around the edges of religion that they experienced who have grown cold into going distance from the deepest reasons it it had come into being and so I can see you know. The people who don't identify explicitly with traditions are calling themselves and in some sense the traditions back to really go back to their core interesting one of the scientists at Yale again. who found that the spiritual experience lives in the parietal Cortex of our brain? They a seat light up They define a spiritual experience as being a robust state. We you've spoken to so many scientists neuroscientist Richard Davidson Davidson botanist. Robin Kimera what. They say to you about spirituality. The questions that the new technologies like brain imaging and and just the way we're understanding the ecosystem of the natural world for example they are now illuminating our understanding of ourselves in a way that used to be reserved for theology so I see scientists as really deep companions in these ancient animating existential questions Einstein. Aw wonder and reverence for mystery. There's so much more fearless about using the word mystery than most of the religious people I know well speaking of a religious person you know one of those popular episodes. You've done feature John O'Donoghue. He was a former priest and spoke about beauty and nature as a way to access the spiritual. Yeah and here I just want to listen to a little. He's drawing on his childhood in County Clare Ireland. I often think that the forms of the limestone are so abstract and aesthetic and it is as if there were all laid on by some wild surrealistic kind of like a huge wise food. Invitation to extend your imagination. We're talking about stones there and suddenly you know we're plunged. I don't know if you know. The work of Decker Kellner at Berkeley. So he's really delving into the notion of all and not only is a real thing off is a life giving health giving thing which I think is fascinating. Aw would be a term that most of us would I think historically have associated with belief in God but when I look at his research and how people describe the experience of soul much overwhelmingly is about an experience of being in the natural world. And it's so interesting that we're getting in touch with that in the same moment that the natural world is changing. And something like whether that's been something of small talk that we've taken for granted is suddenly the stuff of the news. And what about in this time in history. When people people want to hold onto their spirituality which they may also define us? They're goodness and yet they may be very very angry at someone on the other side of the partisan divide. I'm thinking when you spoke with poet and playwright Claudia rankine about race. She says I spent a lot of time thinking about. How can I say this so that we can stay in this car together? It expanded the things that I want to explore with you. What have you learned about bridging? These divides more kind of in this stuck in outrage which is actually terrible for us right. I mean we've talked about ought ought to go. It's the absolute opposite of that and I'm sure they could demonstrate the terrible effects on our health and well-being we're trained to fight and we're trained two-wheeled our opinions and let's just not accept that these chasms are forever right and this is one of your projects you get people to sit down and talk about their opposing views. WE WE WANNA listen to a little. The topic is abortion. US each side. What they don't like about their side? And let's start with antiabortion activists David Gushy what the main activists activists in the Pro-life Anti-abortion community want is an overturn of Roe versus Wade. I am not at all convinced that if that were to actually happen that they would like the world that they would see because. I'm not sure that it would lead to fewer abortions. I think it might lead to more than we hear from Francis Kissling. Now she she didn't like when the pro-choice side dismissed the fetus. I think fetuses have value. And I don't think you can make the fetus invisible in the abortion decision. What I like about the position of people who who are very strongly opposed to legal abortion is that side of that movement? That really is troubled. There are many many callings for this time. And yes there are people who are going to on front lines of battling and there's also room for some of us to be commerce of fear and as a room for some of us to be bridge people to start widening that space in the middle between the polls that are in a battle that they can't get out of letting yourself take seriously precisely what you care about and what you love and what you want your children to be seeing and factor that in to the equation enough how you live in this moment a spiritual move would be. Can I get as clear. Anna's passionate about what I love. And how do I work torch that even in very subtle ways. Well here's a little bit of another. You know beloved episode of on being this Rene Brown research professor at the Grad School of social work at the University of Houston and. She's talking about the spirituality of relationships how you can speak to other people and we're we've talked ourselves into ideological boxes which has caused. There's a lot of loneliness when you are really struggling with someone and someone you're supposed to hate because ideology or belief move in get it curious. Get closer ask questions. Try to connect remind yourself of that spiritual belief of inextricable connection. How am I connected to you in a way that is bigger and more primal that our politics Krista Tippett the wise people I speak with people say you know? We're relationship with that person on the far side of whatever vexes us and I think that that is the kind of challenging challenging insight that the spiritual traditions invite us to. We are defined as much by how we treat our enemies S.. By how we treat our friends that is working on us from the inside and shaping or character and so really doing this hard messy uncomfortable comfortable work of figuring out how you're going to be humane in the presence of people who feel like enemies not talking about people who are going to hurt you that is work that is it's also about your soul that's just a huge thing to chew on and kind of walk through a lifetime. DARNOLD KRISTA tiffany. Thank you so much. Thank you all the the news about impeachment and Iran. You can be forgiven if you didn't notice that the stock market is near all time highs on Friday ever so briefly the Dow Jones Industrial Average average surpassed twenty nine thousand during trading a record that came despite those tensions with Iran and a survey from Deloitte showing ninety seven percent of chief. The financial officers think there will be an economic downturn this year so how to decipher these mixed signals as you make your financial decisions in two thousand twenty Joe Slesinger lesson has given that some thought. She's business analyst for CBS. News host of Jill on money and our weekly visitor. Hi Jill Hello and how do you read these signals from the stock doc market but from CFO's who are worried. I think cautiously and I think what's really interesting is that really does plug into the two sides of each of us as investors and human beings. which is we want to think about the best case? That's ideal right. Good times we'll keep coming. But we can't help at these times where we are making new all-time highs or that you get a good jobs report that you start to say well. How long could this go on it? Should it should change soon right eight and we've got to be balanced in our approach. Well and you said it before. So let's say it again. People want to try to time the market they WANNA ride the wave up and then try try to get out before things had south. You say no come on to it you know. Look I think what's amazing to me is. Is that when you try to time the market you essentially have to make to perfect decisions when to get out but then also went to get back in and I get that it so alluring. I mean you want to be that person or at least higher the financial professional who knows the exact moment but what we know is that over time. It's nearly impossible most of the time when you make a good market timing decision it happens by accident. Oh I had to sell vis in order to buy my house or a head to do something because of what was going onto my real life. So let's get that off the table. You actually don't have to be a market timer to be a successful investor or just successfully navigate. Gay Different choices in your financial at the thing about the stock market's is right out right out right out. You always tell us you always tell us by the U. Curve. What do you think I mean I you? However many years ago it was? Hey how could anybody think that. Was it pets dot com or something with the sock puppet. That had no wasn't making any money. How could we think that that was is worth investing in and then it was? How do we think that those horrible loans? You know those a terrible home loans that they were gonNA last. Do you have a sense sense of what might be now. There's a lot of theories on what it would be now. But here's the good news. You don't have to identify what it is. Now here's what I can guarantee you. The good times will not last forever. There will be a recession. There will be a bear market. How can you prepare for it? You could simply take steps that will see you through do bad times so right now. It's the beginning of the year. Did you look at your retirement account last year. Have you made sure that things are in balance the way you feel comfortable. Are you actually looking towards the future and investing or making a decision with a goal in mind. These are the things that definitely will keep you on track trek in other words a mix of stocks and other things about taking some cash out. If you think there's GonNa be a recession. I don't know when the recessions to being this Rodman. I know that you think you do know and all of you listening. You don't know when it's going to be either. Here's the thing if you need money within the next year free up that money tuition home down payment do that now. Don't look back. Do not try to time the market till slesinger. That's IT business analyst. CBS News hosted Jilin Money. Thanks as always take care in the Oscar. Nominations were announced this morning in Los Angeles and leading the way was joker with eleven nods including best picture closely followed followed by nineteen seventeen and once upon a time in Hollywood with ten each new films. But a little deja Vu at least when it comes to the makeup of the acting nominees. Nineteen of the twenty are white joining us to talk about all of this is John Horn host of the KPCC show the frame and John. Give us your first impression. Shirow this year's nominees. Well I will say it started well. And that is actor producer. John Show and producer actress and writer Ray made the nominations and and that was about as diverse at the Oscars were it was all downhill from there. I mean a couple of notable things. There are twenty acting nominations. If you count actor actress supporting actress supporting actress. One person of Color Cynthia Areso who played Harriet Tubman. Harriet was nominated. And if you look more closely at some of the categories Greta Gerwig was not nominated for directing little women and there were a number of other slights in different categories. The academy has really really wrestled with the idea of Oscar so white. They've tried to diversify their membership and yet the results to me were invisible this morning. Let's talk a little bit more about the nominees You mentioned Greta. GERWIG did not get nominated for director for little women. But Martin and Scorsese did for the Irishman well. I think that's kind of typical of the way things went. If you start looking closely at the films that were nominated for best picture almost all of them them. Outside of little women was made by a white guy for versus Ferrari the Irishman Joe. Rabbit joker marriage story nineteen seventeen once upon a time in in Hollywood the one outlier outside of little women as parasite which was directed by Bong. Jun Ho the Korean filmmaker and I think the real notable absence in in this category is the farewell. A great movie from Luang which not only wasn't ave for best picture aquafina the star of the film. I think everybody. Everybody suspected that she was going to be nominated for best actress. She wasn't either. No member of the cast from the farewell or parasite was nominated in any acting category and that is also remarkable because Aquafina won a golden glow. Well Aquafina has won a lot of awards and while predicting Oscar. Carnations is a very inexact science. If you look back and I did this morning. The people that a lot of these prognosticators thought would be nominated. Didn't make it and some of them were people that were kind of surprising. Taryn Edgerton. Who Played Elton? John and rocket man didn't make the cut. But if you start looking more closely a lot of the people who didn't get nominated were people of Color Jamie Foxx from customers. LUPITA neon go from us. I mentioned the actors from the farewell. I mentioned the actors from Parasite Jennifer Lopez from hustlers. A lot of people thought she would be nominated and instead you had people like Kathy Bates who was nominated for supporting actress from Richard Jewel. Nobody saw that coming and some really good performances like Florence. Pugh one who plays amy and little women a lot of people then thinks she would make the cut. She did so there were some good performances that got in but one out of twenty of the act nominees a person of color. Well you know I mean we've we've been talking about Oscarssowhite for what feels like so long several years now. What is the disconnect you between The nominating committee. And and and and what we see and what. The general public believes is a noteworthy movie. It's a complicated question. But here's the shorter answer when I was a film writer at the La Times Along with a bunch of colleagues spent a year investigating the membership of the academy and this report came out in two thousand twelve. We found that it was ninety. Four percent Caucasian occasion seventy-seven percent male and the median age was sixty two. Once you're in you're in for life it's kind of like the mob you don't get kicked out so all of those members unless they die stay in so even as the academy has invited hundreds upon hundreds of newer younger more diverse members. You have six thousand members who represent kind of an older generation. So it's very hard to move that and I guess if you look more closely really at some of the nominations a movie like parasite which if it wins the best picture. Oscar will be the first foreign language movie ever to do so. I think Bong Jun Ho is GonNa win the Oscar for directing it. That's the kind of movie that maybe five. Certainly ten years wouldn't be in the race so I think parasite is a reflection of the changing demographics of the academy. But if you start looking at other selections like Quentin Tarantino once upon a time in Hollywood joker which lead with eleven nominations. Those movies to me represent kind of the old guard old way of kind of traditional thinking and very traditional movies. I WanNa talk with you about the one. Woman of color nominated British British actress. As you mentioned Cynthia revox she was nominated for playing. Harriet Tubman An enslaved woman who led dozens of others to freedom and Harriet. Let's listen into a scene where she responds to concerns that she doesn't have the skills to help others escape. Don't you tell me what I can do. I made this fall. God was watching but my feet was my own running bleeding climate and nearly drown nothing to eat for days and days. When are made it? So don't you tell me what I came. Do other nominees for best actress. Scarlett Johansson for marriage story Sir Sharon for little women. Charlie's the road for bombshell renee. Zellweger for Judy. Your thoughts in the significance of Cynthia arrival. I know that she actually turned down performing at the British Academy due to the lack of diversity among those nominees. I think it's a great performance. It's a movie. They got pretty good not great reviews. I think it's remarkable performance. I think she was also nominated need for original song because she is that talented This year I mean it's a amazing story. The great thing about Harriet Tubman is that Frederick Douglass is like a background player in this story. It's a remarkable story that even though it set a long time ago feels remarkably contemporary about standing up for what you believe in and risking your life and Harriet. Tubman naughtily was an abolitionist. She rescued slaves repeatedly at great peril. It's a remarkable piece of history. It's amazing that it hasn't been told hold in a movie before. So it's totally deserving but it is as you mentioned and as we've talked about the outlier it's the only actor of color who's nominated mandated. And I guess. Maybe there's a parallel between what Harriet Tubman was fighting for which is treat us all as equals and that we are no different from what is happening in Hollywood today. In addition to the talk about diversity or the lack thereof in this year's nominations there was also a lot of talk about the influence silence of Net flicks ahead that play out in this year's Oscar. Nominees I played out. Well I mean. NETFLIX has three movies. That are in contention. The Irishman German two popes and marriage story and certainly the fact that they are in the race for best picture with Irishman and marriage story I think is a very good sign nine. I still think right. Now if you were handicapping things you would say and it sounds a little surprising because I would have said Joe Rabbit a couple of weeks ago. Nineteen seventeen that's a movie. That's coming on really strong and I had a really good chance of winning best picture. I think Bong Jun Ho's could win for director so yes net flicks is well well represented. I think it might be hard for them to win. More than one or two Oscars but the fact that they are competing with you know warner brothers. Sony and paramount I think is a sign of how things have changed not just the Oscars but certainly in the emmys as well YEP and no host this year again your thoughts good or bad for the show. It worked well enough last year. I mean why. Change something if it ain't broke. Don't fix it. They obviously were forced into that decision. Based on the multiple the problems they had with last year. Show Kevin Hart. I think it worked well last year. It's a thankless job. I don't know anybody who's done at that well in recent memory so why why not. It's still inexplicable to me. Why the show is more than three hours long? But maybe maybe they'll figure out a way to speed it up remember last year. They tried to put some categories in commercial breaks. And that didn't go over well so they're kind of stuck and I don't know how they're going to speed it up but let's hope they do that somehow this way but again the this story of this year's Oscars is going to be Oscarssowhite again Oscars almost completely white except for one person. We've been talking Oscar nominees with John Horn in host of the KPCC. Show the frame. Thank you so much for joining us. My pleasure the Oscars on February ninth. Let's see what happens then. And by the way Cynthia Cynthia Areso is up for another Oscar for Harriet. She Co wrote this song. Stand up with Joshua Brian Campbell and performs it as well avenue walking with must face to wait almost show And a question where should registered child sex offenders be able to live. It's a question that is center stage in an Illinois courtroom today a group of men in Aurora Illinois about forty miles outside Chicago could face felony charges. If they don't move out of their home by Wednesday it's a legal fight over housing housing and redemption. NPR's Sherwood Corley reports in downtown Aurora. McCarty park takes up a full square block. They're walking paths. Count like splash pad and the center of the park and two small rocking horses further. Back a couple of blocks away as wayside cross ministries. It's a Christian based group group that's been around for decades and provide shelter and faith-based Rehab Services for people who are struggling with all sorts of problems including transitioning for prison prison. Ninety men live at one of the organizations buildings. Eighteen of them are registered sex offenders and whether they live too close to the park has been a recent source of conflict between the mission and the city. My name is Marcus. I'm forty eight years old. Marcus Sabo served two years in prison after he was convicted of possessing child pornography as he leaves the way into the building. Savo points out the library chapel and some classrooms. He's been at wayside cross laws for five years and is now on staff. He says the Structure Program for men with its daily Bible classes religious services and work assignments transformed formed him. Therapy didn't help. Medications didn't help even being locked up and you know so called corrections didn't help anything. It wasn't until I came here and started reading what the Bible said And seeing what Christ has done for me that you know my mind third of the wake up and completely changed my life. Since I've been here but now he may have to move last month. ROHR's police chief sent letters to Sabo. Most of the others telling them they are in violation of the state's residency law. That law law makes it illegal for convicted child sex offenders to reside within five hundred feet of a school a daycare center or playground and the city says that includes mccurdy the park. The letter came with the deadline. It said if the men are gone by January fifteenth this Wednesday they could face felony charges sample says he was shocked because because he's never had any problem registering before and he and the other men fear they will be homeless in recent months. The mayor of Aurora and some residents criticize criticize wayside cross when it provided housing for an infamous convicted murderer who completed his prison term. The city says that protests has nothing to do with this latest scrutiny instead it blames faulty measurements police chief. Kristen Zemun says the city realized. It's old mapping system measured some boundaries incorrectly. So last spring hiring they make corrections and took another look at wayside. Cross that is when we determined that That the people who were living there were were actually near a playground. I don't think think that having too little rocking horses that are used for kids converts entire Broad Park with benches and lawns and picnic tables balls into a playground solely for children's recreation attorney a down Nicholas represents the eighteen men and says the city is misrepresenting the state's residency residency law. The city says the distance from the men's housing to mccurdy Park property. Line is five hundred feet. Nicolas says any measurement at the park should start where the fountain and rocking horses are located and the distance would then be five hundred fifty feet. It's a mathematical squabble with profound implications but Nicolas says has another Illinois Law. Protecting religious freedom is also at play since the men are part of a community where daily religious services and Bible studies are paramount and forcing him to move out of that would disrupt those programs disrupt the progress. They're making through their faith even so at the men aren't out by the Fifteenth Kane County State's attorney attorney Joe Mcmahon could charge them with a felony. He seems reluctant people need somewhere to live. They need a safe place to live the work that they've Done there at the mission has been remarkable for really for decades. We've got to find a way to resolve this where the people who use that park on a daily weekly basis especially during the warmer months can use it and feel safe and and comply with state laws. Well the eighteen men who live at wayside cross ministries industry's say regardless of what happens to their request for a temporary restraining order to halt in ouster from their home. They'll push for a final ruling. That makes clear. We're how distant should be measured and where convicted sex offenders in Aurora can reside Cheryl Corley. NPR News Aurora Illinois. And you. I heard her on. NPR's here and now when less story to note in remote Alaska a man who survived for about three weeks in sub-zero cold is now talking. Alaska state troopers found thirty Tyson Steele late last week next to a makeshift shelter. An a big SOS signs stamped in the snow. He told Katie. UTV In anchorage. He woke up to find his cabinet on fire. He got out. His dog did not horrible to watch. The fire destroyed his home. Most of supplies. I just I sat down on on the on the ground for a while. Like just was cold. I didn't have any socks in my boots and I was just wearing Pajamas at that point and a t-shirt not hearing from steel friends and family asked a police check on him. He'd been living alone in the wilderness about fifty miles southwest of Denali since September. He says he will rebuild some resilience to end the hour here now is a production of NPR WR in association with the BBC World Service. I'm Robin Young. 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Let's Discuss The 2020 Oscar Nominations

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Let's Discuss The 2020 Oscar Nominations

"Hello everyone and welcome to slash on daily for Monday January thirteenth. Twenty twenty on today's episode discussed the Twenty Twenty Oscar nominations. This is the last home editor in chief Peterson. Joining me on this podcast slash weekend editor. Brad Omlund hey that's me it writer widely everyone one okay. So this morning everybody got up early to For the Oscar nominations. Basically you know in advance of the Academy Awards they announce all the nominated films. This is you know a big Shindig that happens every year and always there surprises there snub. CBS we'll get to that But I guess let's let's go through the main categories I guess actually itchy. What what is the big story? GotTa this is a joker. Yeah Joker is leading the pack with a lemon eleven nominations and that's the Muslim nations of all the other films though. Irishman Irishman wants part. Time in Hollywood in nineteen seventeen trail closely behind with ten nominations each but it seems that joker is the front runner for this last year and already earning a lot of ir amongst film twitter which I hate to say that word but yes. It's it's become this year's years green book I I think it's safe to say way. What is becoming? The joker has But it seems like the academy likes it a lot. You know after covering this industry for fifteen years I've I've really not care about the about award season. I used used to be so into it before it got into writing about movies. I you know the Kaddoumi Wardrobe make my super bowl. Like I would be so excited. Sit Down that night Mike. Watch the Academy Awards and I don't know what it is after. You're discovering I've cared less and less but why should we care of the Academy Adamy. Words is it because I mean obviously there's some financial Stuff here right like if a film Win Academy Award. That means that more people are go to see that film and also the people involved. Methadone won't get a better chance of making something cooler and better in the future and in addition does that. I think it's a barometer of history right like we look back. Probably wrongfully like what films were you know nominated won the Academy Academy Awards in years past. Is that why we should care. I think yeah you basically said it. All it's still an industry benchmark and despite spider grousing about what films got now made. What films didn't it still is? A big barometer for. What movies mattered that year and has been a bright launchpad ad for rising filmmakers? The reason that Greta Gerwig and able to do Vernay have such Standing as they do now because they got nominated for a best picture sure and I don't think that if they had if they hadn't gone those nomination I don't think they would have quits the club. They have now And but you know the Oscars often. It didn't more often than not get it wrong. I saw a tweet. Today's comparing the eleven nominations that joker had versus the four nominations that texture ashtrays had and zero nominations. That King of comedy had which is hilarious since the since Joker is very heavily inspired by both S. T. D.'s. That is funny. Brad what do you think like. Should we like. How much do you care about the Oscars? I like watching them. You know I enjoy the movies is that I really love Also championed by the Academy But continuing I'd just wish that they would get a little bit more diversified both in the nation of of underrepresented races and also just different kinds of stories. They're they're always obsessed with certain kinds of movies every single year and I wish they would just get a little bit more Bold and brave and really recognized movies that deserve to be recognized simply. Because you know like the the biggest bummer about you know things like female Directors not getting recognized in the best actor category at Saks because Continues to keep you know directors at a distance in the overall industry. You know the reason that Someone said this on twitter and unfortunately I forget who but like the reason people know more about Greta. Gerwig in Asia do Rene. Today is because they've been nominated for Academy Awards before and so then with the more you nominate funeral directors more. You'll get to know them. And the more they'll get higher to be able to do high profile projects and you know produce that get nominated for more Oscars. It's interesting a few years ago. Oscars there was the whole Oscar. So white thing to happen in social media and it seemed like the kind of responded to that in a big way but it it seems to have kind of gone back. Yeah hasn't it like like it seems like there's some notable filmmakers of diversity in both sex sex and color that like miserably missing from these awards. We'll get to that okay. Let's talk about the best picture nominees. We'll just talk about the big ones here Best Picture We have a longer. We have four verse. Ferrari the Irishman Jeju. Rabbit Joker little women marriage story nineteen seventeen once upon upon a time in Hollywood in parasites. So what do you guys think about. What is are you excited about any of these like that that they made it in? Are you upset that anything everything did make. I'm quite excited about a few of these Parasite for one is a major Nomination because not only is the first South South Korean Films Ever Get nominated for an Oscar. got both a best picture nomination as well as best foreign language film which makes the six films ever get Both those those categories Be Nominated for both those categories and It was kind of something that was expected. Because parasite is one of the most Acclaimed Lane films of the year and spinning nonstop. Positive buzz so people were really gunning for that best picture nomination but one that I was really pleasantly surprised to see nominated because has it hadn't been getting any awards. Buzz Was Little Women and this is the film that I absolutely adore door and it's getting a lot of critical praise as well but there was that story a couple of weeks ago I don't WanNa see little woman who was talking to Academy voters Male voters specifically clea who talked unanimously. But how they didn't WanNa see little men because they they didn't think it was for them and they didn't want to put in the time to watch it and it was something something that I think was really stacking the odds against little women Because a lot of people hadn't seen it although I do think that it was starting to gain more exposure and buzz after its holiday release and I was just so happy to see its best picture. Not because it gotten the shaft and so many of the previous Awards the ceremonies except for Sir Sharon For Best Actress but like all the other nominations even Greta Gerwig didn't get a lot of best director. Nominations Ashi doesn't here but I was really the happy to see a best picture nod for little woman. I still have not seen little women. I'M GONNA have to see it. I I know but I've seen like two of the film adaptions today. I'm not a big fan of the the story. I'm not a big period. Drama Kinda Guy I I used to. I grew up in Massachusetts. Actually not that far I mean You know a drive away from the little women House the House That I guess it was based on none I wanNA. I don't even know at this point so sadly I I I don't hate little women. I'm not a guy that doesn't want to see a movie about little women. It's just I I've never I like Greta Gerwig so much so I'm going to have to give it a chance now but I think that she has such a great modern approach to this film. I think he would really like it. Even if you don't like period films but also you didn't like the favorite so I don't really no but I encourage you to give a chance little woman because it is so fantastic and the Portland says are all stellar. So it's just a movie that fills your heart though I highly recommend seeing it before the Oscars at least a. I'm excited. That marriage story made it. I knew that it was probably going to get some nominations. And in the acting categories but I'm glad it was one of my favorite films this year. And I'm glad that it's a picture bread. Do you have any surprises snubs. He's here in the best picture. Category Well I'm very excited. The JITTER AVID got nominated I. It seemed fairly likely Even though it wasn't necessarily universally Lee received by people in the critical community and in the film community some people. Just don't Accept the stat tire and how it approaches World War Two when Nazis in the Holocaust. But I love that movie so glad that it got nominated and yeah. I think that the one problem I have with this Run since there's only nine films uh-huh is that there should have been attentive nominated since they can have ten films and that final movie should've been the farewell fair enough okay. Let's best director rector actually bread if you had to pick not what you want to win but what is going to what is going to win. Best Picture I'm honestly fleet not entirely sure but it's it's tough because we're basing all the love for the joker today. It seems like the economy is really in for that but the academy also loves movies about you know old Hollywood so once upon a time in Hollywood is a front runner too you so if I had to guess for sure I would probably say joker or once upon a time in Hollywood Scorsese is like on the in New York that he rarely early gets dominations gets gets the statue I should say I I think I think you're right. I think it's it's probably be joker. Okay who who do you think it's going to be I. Am You have a hard time like what you want into win if it. If it's joker I will riot but I get the sinking feeling that it's joker but I do want to say one great thing about parasite is that a lot of the Oscar Academy voter buzz around it From what I've seen on twitter and people who report it frequently on the Oscar trail is that parasite is one of the films that hasn't gotten any detractors yet. From any of the voters like their films that people say. Oh it's great but this like Like once time in Hollywood. It's great but this violence or Irishman is great. But it's long but parasite according to the the. The buzz has not gotten any of that negative reactions. It's going to get the It's great but we're GONNA vote for that for the foreign though. I mean probably but let you know a fine joker. Whatever I don't care I will say best? Like a joker is an exceptionally well made film and I think in in every single category except for story like it is firing on all cylinders. It's just unfortunate because you know movies are storytelling media so so I think that script is pretty weak. So I think it's probably GonNa be joker sadly But Yeah I. I don't want to be down on joker because because I I do think there is You know it is a well-made film Okay let's talk about best director We have Would we have five nominees air. We have the Irishman Martin Scorsese. We have joker Todd Phillips. We've nineteen seventeen Mendez. We've once upon a time in Hollywood Winter Tino and Parasite Bong Jun Wu. Oh and What here is there any? I guess there's a bunch of snow here. Hd You mentioned earlier little women as a surprise is in the best picture category. Yes Greta GERWIG 's name is missing from this director list. I think Greta Gerwig far away. Deserves that best director slot that taught Philip says and I think that she directs little woman with such confidence and precision and such modern it modernity to it that She if if it's going to be best picture nominated it should definitely be a desert Does is definitely deserving that best director nod and it would break up the sausage best that is currently inhabiting the best director category. I I just I do think that Greta Gerwig is one of the directors of this generation and It's a travesty that she has been nominated for this film which I actually liked even better than lady bird and I am. I'm upset about it. I am in a rage. Well you know what Brad. You're you're excited. That Agigea Rabbit was nominated for best picture. I actually think it should have been nominated for best director and Best Picture. Are you upset that takeaway t t is not getting credit here. I wouldn't say I'm upset necessarily because it is a category where you have have the nominations for best picture. So someone's got to. You know get snubbed. But I would much prefer That take ahead the nomination that Todd Phillips God for everybody's throwing taught off the boat you know they were on the lifeboat and we're trying to get the shore and it's too heavy. Who Do we throw off odd Phillips? Yeah it's a pretty easy quick answer And Yeah I just think I think we'll take okay. Did is so much more impressive than what. Ty Phillips did with jokers since type Phillips mostly just copied camp comedy and put joker in it and took a had a much much more challenging Film to make by delicately balancing satire and hard hitting drama During wartimes. And he did. It may never certainly emily and he even started it as a goofy imaginary version of Hayler so seems like a win to me. Yeah in one film isn't here and isn't on anywhere anywhere. Actually is a film that I know Ben was champion each like this portrait of a lady on fire. Yeah I absolutely love this film and It got completely shut out of the Oscars which is again just absolutely enraging because this is one of the most beautiful and one of the best of the year Selene Gamma should have gotten a nomination for best director. She should have been in the in the intoxicated at least But particularly on fire kind of had its chances stacked against it because France Manson nominated for. It's a best international film contender. It said nominated Les MIS A lab and portrait on fire. It's unfortunately just Hasn't really been given the awards campaign that parasite has like they're both under neon neon kind of Fully Double Down on parasite Deservedly so but it's sad that fortunately on fire just kind of got left to the wayside because of that and essentially just got the shutout of everything including best director actor but as costumes mottaki everything. It's beautiful beautiful film And really just a big shame. I don't know oh how much the people listening to this. podcast know about how these award campaigns are run. I I assume that everybody's in our same bubble but it's probably not the case hates You mentioned you know award campaigns and it should be mentioned that to win an Oscar or any of these awards for that matter. You really need to there needs to be some money thrown at I. It's almost like marketing. The movie like there. Is You know events that are held around Hollywood. They're like two smooth and get people excited about champing. Certain film there are like in in Hollywood. You drive down the street and there's like billboard campaigns campaigns for for your consideration and stuff there's marketing like in. You know all the magazines and you can go to like IMDB. There's like four your consideration ads since like that. So so it's it's very tough when a distributor or studio isn't positioning a film for for awards. Because you're ah you're kind of at a disadvantage not to say that hasn't happened but you can't fully blame neon either because they are smaller distributor but so they had to put all their cards in one film. But it's just a it's a real shame. Okay let's talk about Best actor we have Intent in Tonio Bend Eras for painting. Glory Leonardo Dicaprio for once upon a time in Hollywood Adam driver for marriage story Joaquin Phoenix for joker in Jonathan Pryce for the two popes. Whoa what's funny? Averge out of the dress the two popes coming in at the last minute and taking a bunch of nominations like it was the same with Golden Globes who I haven't seen the the two popes yet but It's a I remember wondered Covering this morning Chris was particularly angry. That Jonathan Pryce came in and took Deniro's spot for the Irish. Then yeah for sure Eating they're eating Oscar. Nominations like pizza. This is one category. I think even you guys that you know you didn't you have a distaste. For Joker you have to admit Joaquin. Phoenix earned his place on this. This I dislike right. Yeah I I would argue that this and the score or the two Oscars that it actually deserved to be nominated for. Yeah yeah that's the one this is the one nomination that I'm okay with joker. Having 'cause walking beans I think is one of the best actors of the generation. Although I do think he should have gotten this award buzz for his role in. You're never really here. Basically saying the same thing. But I'm fine with this nomination. There's a couple comedic actors Who who were kind of snubbed? Here Brad Do you are you upset that Eddie Murphy did not make it. I'm not quite as upset about Eddie Murphy now making. I think that dilemma is my name is fantastic career comeback for him. It's easily the best movie he's made In in at least a decade if not more it's an outstanding performance but ah it's also not surprising because the Kademi typically doesn't recognize a lot of comedic performances. It is extremely rare. Consider comedy to be on the same plane of existence existence as drama which is ridiculous to be. Comedy is equally as hard as drama. If not more so because of how sensitive sensitive humor and proclivities are in that way But I would have painted that. The movie might have gotten a little bit more attention simply because it is about the power of filmmaking and kind of tips tipped attend into what the Academy Kademi usually does like in those kinds of movies. But they're just to any other Powerful dramatic performances. It seemed Unfortunately it's also not about old white people so that is true unfortunately one of those other performances That was a dramatic one. That didn't make it because of Jonathan Price in the two. Popes was Adam Sandler for uncut gems. And that's a real disappointment because man he this performance if his was fantastic i. It's probably the best of his career so far He had tons of awards going into this and he was so excited about it he even started wearing not sweat pants and shorts to event sorta wearing stupid stuff like that And Yeah so is a real bummer. That he didn't he didn't get nominated But I guess to kind of Save the day he he did have an a a really Museum cute tweet about referencing waterboy because being excited that his Mama Kathy Bates got an Oscar nomination and she had a really funny response to him as well. Yeah that was funny. I saw that Another I guess for this category like if we're in the lifeboat I guess the two popes Jonathan prices. We're getting thrown overboard. I Guess Yeah Yeah. I know you wanted rocket man for this category. Yeah this is a nomination. That is a real absence because of how Taryn Edgerton really represented at the Golden Globes. He was campaigning so so hard during this past year for his role in rocket man. And it's a big slight especially after last year. Romney Malik one for his role in Bohemian. rhapsody doing basically the same thing but in a lesser movie and with a lesser performance. I I think you could argue because tearing. Each attendance does so much such as Elton John in rocket man. He does all of his own singing and he does. More than just a give an impression of the character he's embodying and But you know now you know the Oscars they just love their impressions and their prosthetics. So it's probably why he didn't get the nomination but I just wanted to give it got it to him. Because it's funny to me that Rummy Malik one for a role just last year that tyranny juiston Did so much better at with rocket man though so do we just assume that that walking Phoenix has this or is there possible upset now. It sounds like there's no yeah. I think it's walking. I do want to give a shout though to Antonio Mendez who I'm so happy got a nomination for painting glory. He just gives a career best performance in this film. So Hurt and painful and regretful. And it's all very Quietly done and But you know I I'm okay with Joaquin. The joker has saw so much louder. Performance as the ones that the Oscars like to reward. Okay Best Actress. We have Cynthia. A reveal. A reveal. revile sorry yeah revox For Harriet we have Scarlett Johansson for marriage story we have sear show Ronin running for little women we have Charlie's therein for bomb show. And we have Renee Zellweger for Judy. So I guess Who What what is the? What are the big snubs here? Brad Well the Pitney Ongo For us both our collective group and for the movie She she she gives An incredible performance Jordan peels movie Mostly because she delivers two extremely different performances she puts on this extremely Croaky and creepy voice to play read Who is one of the tethered? And it's it's editor voice but it's her facial expressions and her her physical. It's just the way she moves. It's all very unsettling and scary. And then she plays the the wreck of the family gets terrorized and I says well and and there's a certain nuance that performance based on the twist of the movie an email. It's been awhile since it was released. I won't say it here just in case there's some people who haven't seen yet and might see it now for whatever reason But because of that I think that this performance especially deserves a nomination and it's really disappointing that she didn't get one in us as a film was completely snubbed. Which is insane? I didn't even get a screenplay nomination or anything like that. which which is Upsetting but but the movie did come back in in February and granted. The same thing happened with get out but sometimes movies get released that early often Don't get it's not notice by the academy I think it should also be noted that The one actors of color nominated for best actress. Cynthia revolt for Harriet. And a lot of people have been talking on twitter about how The Academy likes to award black actors actresses for films that generally we are you know slave rolls or something that is kind of what's expected of like black actors but luke young gives such a dynamic and compelling performance performance in a film where she's not. It's from black directors filmmakers and black actors and it's something that takes a breaks that status quo now that we've often see if what you know are are considered award worthy in black performances. And while Cynthia revote is good in Harriet which is a nod. aww Great Movie I really think that like the the black performance of the year that like Lupita is Putin Yongbo gifts like such a great challenging performance and yet it's it seems like the award is in theory to just felt like that diversity. We have to get a person of color in in here. We'll give it to the one role of a slave and it just feels so demeaning in that in that regard the other snub here in everything the farewell yeah. This is a huge snubs. The farewell completely shut out. We talked before about how to get a best picture. Nomination Luang also a fantastic director could have broken up the sausage fest. Monotony of Director of the best director category didn't get a nod Knows original no screenplay nod either which is baffling because it's fantastic screenplay based off of Lulu Wong's own life and Aquafina who won Golden Globe for best actress in a musical or comedy Hasn't even been nominated for best actress and that is a huge A loss loss on the The Oscars part it would have been chance for the Oscar to give their the second Asian American Ever nomination for for a best actress the first nomination was Merle over on In nineteen thirty five in the dark angel and aquafina would have been the second Asian American actress of Asian descent to be nominated for best actress and It's a it's just seems so typical. This actress You know the category and I I'm going to going to insults again. The whole offers really love a good impression. And you know Charlie's therre Tehran and bombshell is basically doing a Meghan Kelly impression in SNL skit and the prosthetics are doing. The most of the work actually preventing a lot of her work. A lot of the time. It feels like her facial expressions are are hindered by those aesthetics. So the fact that she's here at all if this was real life boat I would toss her So who's GonNa win this category. I mean I. Admittedly this is the category. I've seen the least amount of films from I've only seen marriage for Scarlett Johansson but I imagine that probably someone else on. This list is better than her. Here what would you think. I actually think that it would be really okay all right. Yeah I mean renee. Zellweger has has been getting a lot of buzz for Judy. But also no one has seen Judy It is also like the most typical of Oscar film the bio-pic the impression again And people have been applauding her for that performance all year. But I don't think it's getting like enough is on it. I think marriage story Scarlett Johansson with the to punch two of her to Actress and best supporting actress. Nominations she possibly could get that win. Brad who's GonNa take this one no. I agree with everything that age she said I think it will probably end up being Scarlett Johansson as well. Okay we can't go through the entire list of nominations because there's so many categories and like the Oscars take four hours or something like that but we do have linked to that in the show notes if you want to see the full list nominations you could see that there we also have a list of snubs and surprises. It's not all bad guys like sometimes we're surprised and happy for things that were unexpected You so you can go there and check. Those is out really quickly. Brad what is a snub from that list. That you'd like to highlight Let's see one of the. I think one of the more surprising ones uh-huh is that frozen to didn't get nominated for best animated feature offroad frozen won the Academy Award for Best Animated Feature Back in twenty fourteen And it was a big hit. You would've thought it would have made it but it didn't get nominated at all which I'm sure is predisposed appointing for Disney granted. They still got a nomination For for toys story but I bet Disney was would have been a little bit more happy if frozen got. That's Actually Walt Disney animation studios. And personally I actually think two is better than the first one and I wouldn't have minded if it got a nomination I disagree there but it's beautiful We should say I'll say really quick. Best animated film category is how to train your dating the three I I lost my body clause missing wink into a story. Four and I know there's an animated film there that was missing that you were really hoping for each day. Yeah Yeah Weathering with you. which is the new film by Makoto? Shen Chi who directed twenty-six hit your name got completely snubbed. From best animated a feature. This was actually the film that Japan nominated for their best international film category. which is a first time? They've done that for an animated film since Nineteen ninety-seven it's been smart and okay. So there are definitely putting all their eggs in their basket with weathering with you but it didn't get that international film nomination nor did he get that best animated film Not Either despite the critical raves around it and ching-chi being sort of lauded as the next Higher Miyazaki so It's it seems and g kids to put a little bit of a a campaign into it by putting an Oscar qualifying run but they're a bit of a smaller studios will probably couldn't Campaign as much but Yeah it's it's coming out in theaters in wide this week actually But it's a it seems like it's lost out on all the Oscar buzz that could have gotten off with with one more snub Brad gives us one. Yes I did. Get a number of Oscar. Nominations But sungho did not get a nomination for best actor and and he is the one number who probably deserve to have a breakout nomination and the castle. Everybody in this movie is fantastic but in particular He just as the family's Patriarch in this movie. He gives an incredibly subtle performance of somebody who is just on the verge of having a breakdown or just getting pissed off. You know with everybody and like there's just this subtle Expression of pain and desperation on his face whenever he is you know mistreated or disregarded as just you know Somebody who doesn't matter but you know by the rich family at the center of the story and he's I just think that he's outstanding in this movie and the fact that he didn't get a nomination obviously because because the academy again continues to ignore a lot of performances of people and Actors of color that he doesn't get to run with a lot of the other big performers. This here okay that brings sent of today's slash on daily. You can find more of all the work it's calm you can find links to the two stories we mentioned on today's podcast there as well. 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like such a story does calling you literally calling you to leave messages saying how good you are at acts but even before that like when I always on freaks and Geeks and we would there be there were a lot of like parties at the time it's good and and then and classic busy I like fell down four stairs inside the house not drunk just like yeah that's what I'm trying to say we were not the popular kids I didn't say that that's not what I said I said I went in they were in the same class we were like the kids do the world's foremost I guess dialect coach so she works with a lot of Hollywood stars to like Rachel McAdams Ricky Martin Gerard Butler Rosie O'Donnell the list goes on and on so gov crab cake with Roma lob sauce on my back my hair and all if with but it was disgusting and I smelled like crab and and then she was like we were leaving and mystery Matt Damon that's just the next time how's it feel he doesn't he doesn't I'm sure he doesn't remember I should ask I should next time I'm GonNa say Cheer member me falling got to like make it anything so I was just like Oh my God I'm always falling by like you know those those ups and downs and that was that guy that was my one my one like a good acting job in something real I could hire this woman to help me with my voice she's the best yeah just do it today Boston accent so I was like not getting in this fucking guys car and this is way before uber and way before I mean I don't even think taxis existed in Los Angeles I don't know watch the taxi commission comes Free Oh you did a clear and I thought do you remember this I called you you were doing Dawson's creek which is called you and left a message because we didn't have the Internet at that time but I basically wanted to write I haven't had that many auditions that have called for accents I mean I remember auditioning Edison for Sofia Coppola for What was the one with point I had been on fixing Geeks at this point like I was like a working actor and point us and like 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It's you know we're we're so mad and we're doing we're basically doing the PODCAST is a way to support our wives roffe habits still true all right so someone and they have a very particular way of speaking I can I mimic as I do not have that ability you're talking about or I've wanted back in the late nineties early two thousands any period pius movie or any movie that took place in another right like I mean we all have sort of I like to call like contemporary American quote Unquote Versus Standard American Standard American is Let's light this candle Laura I like your shirt tree but was being shot here they would ask you to do a mid Atlantic accent for I mean heart of dialect coaching because like sometimes they do one on and they feel great 'cause they're comfortable and now we gotta buy them we're out to dinner last night with our wives we're going to double date last night and we're dinners just shoe hell this story in this mouth of this actor without them suddenly super sucking as an actor right it's not just the the actor learning to apply for this job so what happens is I just put it out there and immediately in my inbox I get the best candidates so it's so easy for and I wish I had this for other things like groceries it's going to be one or the other exactly Sim and I can take you to dinner where we went to dinner last night it's kind of expensive place it's a very nice place where we can get you the shoes roth these are made we start getting really self conscious as an actor and are like okay and I have to also emotionally connect in this moment and so part of my job dialect coach is really not just that linguistic Connectik alphabet which is really amazing dorky symbols where at least my way of like decoding anybody's accent those are the sounds of was talking about bringing that to the human experience of being a person who's trying to communicate in a moment right so that it can be as real as let me and they're like Oh yeah she fell my knees so banged up from a from that no from this summer off my I fell off my bike and Charleston we're talking about the nuance of what's what's his character dealing with in this moment there's not one obviously there's not one right American accent but even a single person like you will because it you know same thing you drive into Tesla doing something good for the planet and we want to give this guy compliment or this woman who owns it it between friends because you know yeah like there's definitely a way of looking at dialect to be like Oh that's a linguist and there's definitely an overlap in terms of like I know the Internet as I've gotten more attention or whatever people have done their impressions of me and here is an and I'm really bad at everyone notice from my filmography of never played someone who doesn't speak do so I I'll say this once you start doing anything new and weird in your mouth or you're wearing weird shoes that you've never worn or you know whatever there's we can come with metaphors then of course we also suddenly switched to a more formal sound if suddenly a lawyer calls and says I need to sue you or and then we'll switch to our Oliver starbucks voice especially you know there's a story and I think this is crazy I truly called her and gave her notes because because here's what people do a lot thank you thanks for joining combined some of these adventures some of them like good at and some of them really bad and this is the one here's here's what they're missing they go straight stereotypical valley girl and what I am is a much deeper comedian friend who I love I was just a fan of her her but she wanted she wanted to do an impression of me and work me into her rotation possible integration of technical to the emotional is the actual work which is obvious wow I know there are two different ways of speaking meaning I I'm sure eight from quote Unquote Standard American which is made up accent by the right standard American right now no I'm not I'm speaking me Am I speaking standard American her but I have heard as from my parents I have Chicago so people always miss the mid us where to where everyone can buy Rossi's for and by the way guys great gift great gift for your white or just by girlfriend and it was a fan by some send them to us it's like a funny I think it's a thing that it always bugs me when I hear people try to do imitations or impressions of me because a straight valley girl is not as nuanced as how deep my voice actually is plus the plus the midwest literally made up accent Atlantic I it's it's not quite that's actually like a dialect if you have a movie Atlanta yeah we were joking often when I'm teaching the foreigner especially if English is first language like British or Australian and they're just working on American they were really often talking about but even English as a second language within the way I speak which is the only way I speak there's like a comfortable way of speaking and then like I'm on a job interview as I tend to use formal and informal but I almost over that's right that's right that's right Well actually I brought you guys some options and I went with specific people rather than generic accents for this reason hey guys like Oh my God I'm busy Phillips and it's crazy yeah I'm so excited to be here you guys mine Mr or one onto as I have the honour doing and sometimes it's like Ana show on a movie on the show and I'm kind of problem solve and the problem that we're solving is how do we hard as much like my person I am very nuanced and I'm not just all one fucking thing got it right difference we'd be that's different I don't know what it's related right I mean it's like doing funny things in your mouth right right right and being like how does that make you feel different which is by the way like literally in my own voice I can't even hear myself on like an answering machine really yeah I'm I I'm not good at that but I'll say people's coaching it yeah no no funny things in your mouth and then being like oh how does that character write that down his job description up and what our parents sounded like what era we were growing up in but also like who we dated we sent time even if we spent like weeks in someplace I say I say I have an accent I didn't know that I say water because I'm from the east coast but someone just told me that I'm forty years old someone just told me say that word weird whatever that's worth you're only asked to play people may beautifully put and be generic there is no generic as we just said reckon right well one of my favorite things about what I do is that the voice reflects life experience right right so like not only the obvious things like where we it was like super formative to our ideal rights we like picked up a little something but we choose a of all the people you've met I'm the most generic sounding astern Twang when they tried to do an impression of me because they just go straight valley someone else you think I haven't fucking dyson a busy doesn't know how to do vocal fry well I mean obviously I can do buckle okay there's a thing that drives me crazy because people have done okay what what do you like touched now what would you say to the question a busy Phillips I've known her for at least fifteen years and one of my friends in Hollywood actually not taking anything away from your friendship or my friendship with her but I bet a lot of people would say that because she's so what do it it's also you working around the limitations of the actor does looking but no your because that's right and you know I teach so many foreigners so I teach a lot of Americans to sound foreign and I teach a lot of foreigners like fun facts of Hollywood right but gown Oh my God I have what I have great kids great impression busy was right he was here in the room I was driving his well speaking of having adventurous attitude what is that what is that but you know we do here so we're actually going to go on a dialectal trip around the it's just it's just vanilla vanilla so like I mean what you're hearing right now is like could you please me I think I'm just like like milk toasts all right I want to hear US maximum only accent I have what please my small grew oh my God it's Christmas morning said you know like if someone I would call a blank canvas to part yeah just a blank like whenever I hear myself even when I was like that's just kind of like yes go like I am so sorry would it be possible right the vote has gotten along or if we're talking to people than us the worst the clothes I this is like now dow doing well I do think that listen to it back though it might sound great we know I hope it does it sounds fantastic what you're doing now there's some caused some crumbs from the crump it's what I really like I love this place to your body contemporary like Adele Irish and I have southern southern Australians are really hard me a real kind of homey feeling and you know what's your soup I'm minestrone what are you I like the chilly chilly it's delicious promo codes for this thing but we're giving you one right so here's an actual on adventures communiqu let's let's think okay so we're talking about Daily Harvest Today Adventures to get twenty five dollars off your first box that's Promo Code Adventures to get twenty five dollars off your first box daily harvest dot com this always happens the better than actually buying it a store and taking out of the freezer at any point and it's always ready to rock tougher tell us where to get daily Harvest Gouda Daily Harvest Dot Com and enter Promo Code I was GonNa talk about how because you wouldn't think because we're in La maybe we don't need soups as much getting really into the soups. I'm happy for you man yeah thank you early harvest Dot Com Adventures type daily harvest dot com right now and now back to the adventure accent super super hard I actually avoided it for this because like in this format we would all just feel really sad about ourselves it's real hard it's literally every vowel sound changes yeah so Okay so here's some options I have German I have Ice Lynn did I have upper-class British I've lower class British the ice this what do you call it the dry ice right packets that it goes from a free it comes in a little freezer basically you yes you put it in your freezer it's it's amazing maybe this was like something that was happening years ago that I wasn't aware of but I don't think so I think it's because it's all available with the Internet it comes in this take the one part he played in elementary school and he's just trying to relive the fuck you yeah I played Oliver Okay Confidence Right and consonants are the things that shape those big open sounds right cook slip on beautiful you're like wrapping over there funds US I already love this I'm already excited to build the movie around the character and then I'm GonNa be fine you know what I mean yeah I also forty I was go to the place you know you're getting something interesting they say any promo codes and I always go by the first couple of times happened I looked up on the Internet okay this is my my segue in basically vowels and consonants not something we think about in our day to day life right unless we're maybe learning foreign language but what's the difference between a consonant basically Avowal your mouth is open the technical definition is an uninterrupted flow of sounds we can hold the opposite I always preferred which feels like flowing Staccato I prefer to call pop music folk music get really lean into that L. so when we talk about foreign accent we can talk about both of those factors right okay I'm wiping out my notebook here just to get this right but so we've got some go She has this great merckel audition I'm GONNA I'm like it's like down to me and whatever I was born to play puberty a little late I was a kid who had and Oliver name is perfect get Outta here waiting for guy playing this character I liked by work here is done it's just sim it's Christmas morning just a fat goose the sequel Oliver Oliver Stitcher up's still off in a never found the parents awesome but what I wanNA talk about is some they have these amazing bowls are really into the bowls they send us these and soups and say Yeah I mean then you get to get into like that was beautiful as just a general sort of loose weigh-in and then and then to the extent people want their little quirks like the beauty she says that so what does that bent for me you have to have both you try that you have to have both you have to have both right you have to have both same as quite but also like let's let's try aggressive not aggressive but like grounded in Vance food like fifteen years and they were all like with drums bass and guitars I don't know stop that was good already that was not a competition pace let's bureau more time are like very simple things Assu Hugh Grant Oh my God that's perfect how do you mean that because I love his accent and it's like very slanted thing I gave you guys it was more just my method of interacting with the environment right so it was more just my method of interacting ranting acting EFFEC- The way that Hugh grant speaks is the way hugh grant speaks right okay it doesn't mean anything not me no no no no I just I love Doobie brothers crawl out of her goal busy Philips display convert this moment until like busy hiring me say like she has this bit where she says Oh my gosh it's adorable she says I had no idea that anybody would ever hear it when I used to sing walking to school right in Iceland and she says music I really like it's the music off get a new I've music the p the people yeah well I also Bjork's I would love to like I mean you know what's crazy similar there's somewhat I got you guys doing right legally roller at the end of a word the reason I say that's rare is if you folk music so I voted versus gorgeous I is they loved ellison if it's in the reward and God blessing silent starts to it's now it's quiet quiet quiet quiet quiet I want to play you a different section that maybe feels a little bit more like yes Musa Cup News do you WanNa do I love her we could do Iceland you WanNa know yeah maybe ice landed one is an offer like not shorto sound no long a sound like the same in general American aw all and both of those become this the home alone films and all that Homeland Mardi hang on hang on all right this is a long haired of both I mean yeah right it's how you are the person that you are because of how you grew up where and you know it's both right or foppish whatever they what do they call that the Brits are all into the mid nineties which is frightening because I mean with track record like that the tunnel very very dark A. W. Sound all on not all all and not no I'm not I'm not all not all of the combines I and like I like like it's it's not two separate word that's fair that's fair I think there's a lot of short sound rape and so instead folk yeah like at that becomes less voting yes thank you for us yeah and then Music Zan in the moment affected comes s music with the environment you twist modern methods of indirect ninety S. I didn't get it at the time but now I get it he had a he was dating supermodel yes he was everyone's favorite son romantic I was in bands and a lot of guitars drums guitars but something we didn't even get to hold our it's like one of the only places in the world besides is your start with your okay I always prefer to call pop music like folk music because it's the the music of the People Rome calm guy and then it was too delicious he was caught on sunset boulevard getting a blowy and there's two nights later so the answer is he's very he was already intent it's like a little Q. on C. D. to do you have a dude is there a man thrice land for guy in something remember that defined ground define while we still remember all right it was like it was like the first sex scandal Hollywood sex scandal of the Scotland where there's a roller at the ends of words so we do a rolled are that way it's era gorgeous that one you need those more than double moot back it up training in home alone films and all that stuff oh boy whom films and all of that stuff so so so a classic British thing they make much more of a tunnel with their mouth all metaphor because how do we talk about this stuff right but so the the sound all which for us the open open a sound all all Dr Today of energy going out or do they energy kind of getting stuck in because what you were feeling was there was some stuck in stuff this Guy Jay Leno clip where he was caught getting a blowjob now I'm Jay Leno no one can use an accent as I could I it's the same director who did Mrs doubtfire doubtful so that's I think that's truly like what you're saying is that freedom is what will set you free and not just a good lesson for Life Tale you're welcome you're welcome and right over just yeah ooh yeah a not mold yeah thought about that and then you get to is doc I guess only if you've gone onto to confront the public about this thing because I remember nine months terrible the studios Brits or the stereotype is that it's crisper but that often means is also frontloaded like the energy the beginning of thoughts is big category is Ken Popping USA Click folk so what does it do right when you get that heavy l. fuck that's already what are you doing you okay was it you know this is the interview yeah for nine months so he's probably very it just seems like he's like swallowing the back half of it yes you know I I I hope it doesn't sound immodest but the studio was uncorking champagne studio studio I hope this doesn't sound all the things like he's coming out you real hot and then swallows it back we joked a psychiatric that's what I can't divide it was terribly frightening it was frightening the track record that now what am I doing tell me what I'm doing wrong I love it track record obviously the pronounced record right it's it's all about the at the beginning so hugh grant is this way but he's that way because he's British but he's he's speaking that way because he's British not because he's him or it's not you Graham but like Hugh grant story I I mean has anyone done someone did it was for sure I made for TV movie but like I think you could play like a British guy in a movie don't you yeah that's good I like that keep going what am I doing frightening frightening with WHO's a track record like that he's also hesitant but but is it because he's hesitant or the photos that was great I also think Oliver just just grew up just bringing it back around but it is and I shutter to think what the sounds like it's funny it does something to your acting by doing an accident it changes you as a person to yeah Zhang and the thing that I'm telling you is like you there is you have to go through the thing where you feel like a robot and like Oh shit I'll never act again car tries to get to the other sound like whereas those chameleon actors we don't even really you didn't know for sure that Margot Robbie sounded that right because right there is a lovely sense of of real revealing it's real scary revealing for somebody who's voice we know to shift it they that is ripe for trolling everyone's going to be like I heard a sound because I know what you normally for sure one hundred percent of the terrible accents I believe in you keep trying which is frightening because I mean with a track record like that recco that kind of hidden in their public persona right I think though also with Mugabe we should just assume everyone's Australia's moving forward correct like we should just every actor it isn't gender specific I mean and good friends with a with a man whose Russian I it's I can't forgave let's both try Irish can I try to get his accent one hundred percent trying to her sneak previews news-wall this But new I love liquid you straight Line Ben you knew all this laugh in my face it when I'm trying something new it was all just WanNa help tie just because you're time hi my name is Sir Sharon on today I'm going to teach you America Ho to make the Perfect Cup of tea right record record completely it's still had there's a placeholder for it strikes along with the track record recold track record luck that I'm Gonna I'm going to her accent is so light it's not impossible to understand right yeah I don't think a little accent I know I don't think I can do it well that's a great starting place she's never using her actual accent is she yes I had to let off some and now okay so I'm GonNa really try to channel this let's see this is the home alone films and all that yeah I don't know why that blowy now hasn't bs right how I'm doing my doing a bad impression I get so in my head about this the Irish accent Irish accent you know what I maybe is that a thing do you ever use that with people like people who are insecure don't want to yeah time I'm you most today the studio uncorking champagne to the studio by the way who says this on a talk show there is no way around you know find was the core of his first failure failure with what you say the home alone films home alone films and all that kind of stuff you could do this like I think you could play this guy not this guy but like emphasis on the difference but also argo we're so used hearing it but it's worth mentioning the are at the end of that word recco if we said it with an r record record early grew people people in Ireland probably thinking she is a very big American accident rate uh she's been in the US what if you're playing nervous about it like do the most ridiculous version possible I love that I actually literally say let's lovingly I lovingly ask you to do the big loud bad version yeah right so America out of a good day gorgeous got Irish we call broke Scottish only have virus broke I dunno they virus how thick so also the right right up the top that sound is also huge when you think of a pint if you can say a point it has more of an oil equality and equality his wife's accent stronger but he's a musician and travels all over the world and I feel like his accent is much less what you consider like skype who interesting right and very consistent I know out to teach you Mirka no America America I don't know that was right right this is the thing lasts a just want to see amount to start a moon news it's easy busy how would you say busy busy busy busy the at the end thank you so much this is great great I feel confident that your movie about Oliver and my movie about the Ark is Kirkwood to cook yes that's Okay I rarely had someone over the hair effect it's perfect and the big hair down for Irish is the cup sound like Dublin becomes an book so you get Duplin do blend coop and we thank thank you so much more thing I ever say how do we say how would you not that far from one another average person in a story that's going to be for an American audience what which accent are they gonNa want you know we'll also interesting my friend James who still lives in Dublin the You rock you're one of my favorite people my favorite route here how do you feel you did how do you feel I did I mean uncorking champagne my cigarettes lovely studio was this news on corking champagne and then tried again royer desired newt amount how a moat amount stunning desired that we that is getting all the parts should be just a fact that's actually GonNa Bjork she's saying she got the bug both did well I guess for me I do think and I'm going to say this for you too I do think because I could hear it that if you got a job now we've really we've really done it we've traveled the world well just to one specific area we'd like to thank all of our sponsors today including candid Goto 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FFR 110: The Mandalorian - Season One

Feminist Frequency Radio

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FFR 110: The Mandalorian - Season One

"We Love Recording F. F. R. and bringing you are fresh feminist perspectives on pop culture. Each week please help to keep this little morsel of joy in our lives by going to Patriot on dot com slash FEM freak and joining our podcast community women should be everywhere like amongst amidst the society and in which liken normally lake in life. Yeah right but this is star wars. How dare you interject lights are worse? Welcome to WHO FEMINIST FREQUENCY radio. This is the show that asked you to be critical of the media. You Love I'm Anita Circadian accusing and I'm joined today by someone who is far too critical of the baby yoga that we all love and because she's too critical of the media. We love she might have to get banished. Yeah that would be caroline petted. You know if that is the price that I must pay for I will. I will die on this hill. I mean well we might talk about it. I don't actually actually hate baby iota that much. I guess I just love that we give you shit. For being critical. We are also joined by Very special guests to our friend and songwriter. Jonathan Man. This is the way the way all right this week. We are revisiting the Mandal Mandalay Loria and of course back in November episode one. Oh five we were joined by Jessica's Ullman to talk about the first three episodes of the show but we wanted to revisit it now that the entire hire first season is complete. So we're GONNA do that. Maybe maybe baby baby baby owner. Hello friends were so excited to have Jonathan Mann on this episode. He's been writing a song a day for over eleven fucking years. What that's over four thousand songs and he joins us today for our conversation about season? One of the Middle Orien- and our guest today has an interesting connection with the show. Jonathan your song number three nine seven seven seven four is an to baby iota and currently has nearly four point nine million views on youtube which by the way is a song that you just heard so dude what's been like it's It's been wild. You know like back in the day of Song Day back back in the early days I used to have a song go viral. Maybe like once or twice a year and and for a while Navin thinking like songs just aren't going to go viral in the same way like the Internet has changed change and it's like it's just not the same anymore and it seems like every time I really like have that thought in a in a real way something blows up and that and that's it's like literally what happened with this one and this is by far the most views of ever gotten on a song ever and like but speaking of how the Internet has changed. which you know? You're not wrong about that. Like and I mean it seems from me following you on twitter and stuff like maybe tick tock has played a pretty big role in the in the way. This has gone viral. This is true. Tick talk is entirely responsible for the blow up of the song in fact Tick Tock is gonna I mean I'll talk about more in the freak out because that was going to be my freakout as tick dot because I really. I want to go deep with you guys because it's really interesting like young people. I mean it's it's it's like a literal children like like we're talking like seven eight nine years old on Tick Tock and they you know when they they get their hooks into a song that they really like they just listen to it over and over and over and over and over again I mean like I search i. I'm not maybe I'm revealing feeling something about myself but like if you search twitter for if you put it in quotes baby Yoda Baby Yoga. which is like the lyric from the song? Literally people are tweeting. That like every every hour on twitter just tweeted tweeting from the from the thing so you know. It's like a confluence of things right. It's like kids on Tick Tock love of it. The song happens to be. This is definitely not true of all my songs but it happens to be like a pretty good song and then you know and it's also about baby yoga like You Know I. It's about about this this cultural moment right this thing. So which a lot of your songs are in by contemporary events very much and so you know and and and there's no like I just do that when I'm when I'm particularly moved by something right and and you know car I was listening to your your take on the last episode and I totally get where you're coming from with like this sort of the the corporate you know so. Yeah Yeah I mean let me say real quickly about that. You know like my issue with baby. Yoga is not at all like kids loving baby yoga and getting excited by baby yoga and the kind of in one adults no so my issue. Really it's actually not even so much about baby yoga at all like I think what my issue with baby Yoda is is when I see so many sites and things like see I feel like like Fan Fan. I feel so much coverage we get so much pop. Culture stuff now is totally rooted in Phantom and not at all rooted in in like criticism. And I think there's a difference between being a fan and being critic and so when I see like every site like Polygon Polygon and like whatever always say it's just like baby. Yoga is the most adorable thing ever and like you know even one person say hey. Let's stop and talk about how Baby Yoga Ota is this thing. That's like designed in a laboratory to evoke these feelings like like. That's you know it's like people I mean you. Obviously people can say that and they do say that but that kind of criticism is so the home market doesn't even we're on it anymore and I think that's right. Yeah so I think that there is a deeper problem in the way that so many of our media sites sites that are designed to cover television film now do so not at all from a critical perspective and almost entirely from a fan perspective. I think that's a problem for me. Hey Baby Yoda just kind of like. Just put that in my face so much that I can't make it and that's where my my ambivalence around baby Yoda comes from like within in the context of the show and the adoration from from young people and everything. I think it's great like I don't have a problem with. I WanNa add this though Carro is that I think I think that what you're getting at is. What am I trying to say here? I think that the criticism of baby iota is rooted in capitalism. Right it is made you factored in a capitalist environment to elicit the exact emotion that we're all feeling yes and so it feels a little like dystopia and future like everyone one is going to feel this way and we're GonNa do you all into whatever but I think what you're getting at two here is a little bit of we. Our critics are historically our criticisms and our sites that have provided criticisms in the writings that have provided. These kinds of critical takes on media weren't really really criticizing capitalism. They might have been more critical about the actual like content of films or movies or TV shows But that now there is a bigger space to talk about capitalism openly in America. At least that I think you now want to see more of that even though it didn't really exist before right but I mean yes and no I mean because when I you know I wrote a piece recently on medium that did fairly well. I cited like doc an Old Town Creek from the New Yorker Pauline Kale. who kind of this old guard critic? who very much had her distinctive opinions? And I just feel like I feel like so much like. There's there is a larger issue. To of in terms of how we engage with certainly video games movies television Etcetera Cetera. Where like a particular kind of deeply subjective deeply personal criticism is increasingly like frowned upon and and and ostracized in favor of like you know that comic that that mean comic of like short people enjoy things like and how that's been weaponized like like you can't like there's there's really so much pressure to just kind of fall in line and like the things that everyone else likes and Bristle at that and I object to to that fundamentally even when I like the things that everyone else likes like I bristle at the the the lack of like more like the more I want more people out there saying? I don't like saying just because I think it's good to have a diversity of perspectives. I guess is what I'm trying to say I would say to that if there's like a there's just a basic internet thing of consolidation and you know social media taking over things and blogs dying all the time I'm just a pussy consensus and right you know all of those things that I think are not healthy in a larger sense I would say like also I just I wanna say on on on that take like I you know struggling with with loving corporate stuff you know is like is something that I think about a lot because you know it's it is manufactured and it does elicit the response that they mean for it to you and this is a and so you know when I'm writing a song about baby yoga I am. I am consciously at that moment like thinking to myself man and this is really kind of dark in a way and like I think of it as analogous to like my love of apple and this is really stupid but like I'm a total apple fan boy Oy and I can at once be like a total lefty like abolish ice and there should be no borders and private property. He is theft and at the same time like idolize apple and like drool over their products. And like I don't know how those things exist at the same time within me but like that's where my baby your love is for me too is like I love baby iota with all every fiber of my being and I think Disney is like the most evil corporation and the shipping. It should be wiped from the face of the earth. I think that there's something around entertainment about mainstream entertainment. That is very different than like hating a bank. Thank right that's hitting like other kinds of institutions that are very rooted in our capitalist system wherein entertainment we are. It's that it's that mix of intersection of art and business. Yeah and the thing is that like art is very meaningful to us as human beings whether it is attached to business or not and the fact that we have these large-scale scale massive stories that we connect with and these characters that we connect with. That's also rooted in a capitalist machine. Makes Expat really complicated and I think it's it's not it will never be easy for us to work to separate those things and I think it reminds me a lot of when I was like a young activist activist and the communities that I was a part of like hated TV hated. Movies had nothing to do with any of it and I was like you're missing out on like the one the joy okay and the connection that stories bring us but also you're missing out on what everyone in the fucking world is engaging rate like you're you're you're you're totally cut off from like from Africa. What else it's not? I think it's really and that's why I think that there's been such an explosion of criticism awesome of like progressive criticism of the mainstream media. Because we find so much value in meaning in seeing ourselves represented seeing these stories seeing these people that we connect with and identify with But it's all created through machinery like through corporate machinery. And that's really hard our two to remedy so but great but having said all of that. I WanNa Save Jonathan. I couldn't be more thrilled for like the success of the song. Thank you then I think it really is a great song and it really is like heartwarming and sweet and wonderful to see the ways that young people too because I've seen in some like the tick toxin stuff take it and and you know cree do create new things with it right there about tick tock. Three thousand kids like making making their own little music videos for that song. It's crazy fantastic. Well why don't we actually get into the main segment of the week. We talked about the mandoline back in November and the last episode that aired was episode. Three the sin in which are mysterious. Hero mysterious here goes all John Wick and daringly rescues the child child from the clutches of the imperial warlord who he delivered to in the first place. The as a whole thing anyways a lot has happened since then. We were all surprised to learn that some some women do actually exist in the Star Wars universe not a lot but some so we wanted to revisit the show and talk about the season as a whole and where we landed when it when it all When it all finished so yeah I was I was a I may talked about this with the witcher because I had the very very similar feelings to the mandatory in the winter as I was watching them where I was like? I don't really like this. But it's appealing like I can't really stop. Stop like yes. I have to watch for work but also I don't really want to stop watching it like I'm I'm curious and engaged in. They're like well enough you know they're done well laughing Cetera et Cetera. And then I get to the end of both of them and I'm like Oh what's GonNa Happen. I've a super invested by the time it ends and they are both shows where I like I think about them or they randomly pop in my brain occasionally so clearly. The show got hooks into me even though I have enormous where Miss Criticisms of it even going past the third episode A. Yeah I mean something that I think is really interesting. Just structurally about about demand Laurean Laurean and I have mixed feelings about it. Myself is the way that it's it's. It's kind of this interesting. I mean none of the episodes are what I would call entirely tyrod quote unquote self contained in the way that some old TV shows were but yet they have these like encapsulated story lines and not even just storylines things but like like in a way reference to sort of entire like John Res- or or motifs of storytelling. So for instance like episode. Four sanctuary wary is totally like it's the seven Samurai episode. Like it's a we all know this we all know this story of like Warriors Years Teaching the kind of salt quote unquote salt of the Earth. People to like fight back against you know some some oppressive threat and then like episode. Six is so much like like it's an interesting. The Sci Fi horror movie episode right where you have only only the delorean is the like stalking killer. THREAT IS ECE host to as opposed to it being an alien. And like we're you know we're our loyalties are kind of flipped. But it very much puts you know it's all the close cramped corridors ores and like the kind of Moody Lighting and I. It's sort of like that one more is like a prison break one but that actually is a much better. That's better but that's much that's better is of is of sort of like space horror kind of thing that's that's true and like personally like so for me. Like episodes seven and eight eight where the storyline kind of. Yeah comes back to you know where we were earlier. And it's like okay. The team gets back together and and the stakes start building up in terms of. What's really going on with baby? Yoda and you know. And all that stuff back on Navarro like I personally got more invested invested and engaged at that point win it got back to that as you know as opposed to what sort of felt like these one off like side story episode. I think that is a question. brings up some context in contemporary the contemporary. That we we engage with media like. Yeah the man. delorean Laurean is week to week. Right where most of our media we get all the episodes in one go and we get to binge them how we want But we know that it's only eight episodes from the beginning winning. It's not a twenty four season arc or whatever and so I think that the fact that there are these standalone episodes are a little bit. Like just we just can you. You're just spending get to like this kind of fill icing surprising to see such such self contained things in a modern show. Because that's just not. It's not out how people do it anymore. It's it's it's very old school in a way. Yeah there's something about and I feel like the production values and the writing and everything tap into this is that even though it's a star wars worth showing its quote unquote big budget. It does have a little bit to me of that like be tear you know purposeful episodic TV vibe and yeah probably and I'm sure I got the sense that it was leaning into that like I got the that that a lot of that kind of like rag tag. Yeah vibe is is is what they were going for. Yeah totally so I you know in in terms of that larger structure. You know I so May- maybe we can get into some of the episodes specifically here. I overall like I critiqued very heavily the lack of female characters in the the first three episodes as should have been done. Yeah I stand by it over. Even though I'm still getting tweets. I'm he's still mad at me about this. But here's the thing it didn't get great like it wasn't it wasn't like people were like just wait. It's coming it's coming. It's coming. Karen Dune was in three episodes. Like let's be honest. She was in three eight episodes. It's not even half and the the other thing you have of is spoilers Episode Five. which is you know the the young bounty hunter coming? And he's helping him out which was not a good episode. That was yeah. That was my least favorite episode except for their loved except for who amy sedaris. Who Else so you've got Ming? No win and Amy Sedaris. Who Appear in this episode? Who are both wonderful and they were they were both great but Amy Sedaris is a glorified babysitter and and Phoenix? Shut Shand and who's played by Ming. Now when dies so like you got that happening right in episode four all of a sudden you get tons of women because you have a village and you know we meet Cara Dune you meet this other woman and that like that is the exception in the whole series of like the amount of women that were allowed on screen at once. I got to say the episode reminded me a lot of Zena and I was here for it like it wasn't necessarily a good episode. Not that any XENA episode was ever. We're good and like the pacing was off and all of that but I just it was so refreshing after the last three episodes to like see people working together to see he come rotary to see like you know women to see like a real environment in some ways I I appreciated the timing of where they appeared. Yeah and I mean the conversation around women in the mandatory and like the people who there are people out there who are like well you know I mean we'll care is is a tough you know what more do you want period or whatever and kind of weaponize these these like little details to gloss over into office skate the fact that yes but still like as a as a universe like I don't know how to how to make this succinct and clear right but as a universe it is eight is still largely right a universe of men in which women play these smaller roles whereas opposed to you know when we talked about like wanting women in on screen and in you know it's not just like wanting the one like female character or whatever we want WanNa see like background characters like the crowds like all of this like women should be everywhere like amongst amidst the society and in which it's like this late normally late in life. Yeah right is our worst. How dare you interject life worse Yeah and from that Lens like just taken as a whole while acknowledging that it does it does get better than the abysmal first. Few episodes like it still still does not pass. Muster you know by that kind of searches come close to two Bechtel passing. I don't know I I don't think it does but yeah so Episode Seven. That was the prisoner one. Yes no no sorry. My computer fell asleep right. Condit episode six was the prisoner. I hated that episode the most out of all of the episodes like aggressively. I was watching that and just raising the whole time and part of it. was you know. Bill Burr is not a good dude and so he was bill. Burr like the guy with the gun that came out of his back thing. Bill huge the main white guy that was like on in the crew on the prison ship. And then you also have so so. This situation is a very much a summer. Fete Right which which is a crew of entirely men with with one woman and feminist frequencies made videos about this. Feel free to go watch them but the female character. So sorry I'm rambling I blame the B- it's bad enough that it's Murph at in this universe where women are not included But you also have the way that that character was written was excruciatingly painful to watch like just she was such a she was a Harlequin rip. Off such a stereotype of like hyper sexualize actualized. But totally psychotic like blood hungry but like you know God is it was it was just. It was very frustrating and and addition to everything else. It was talks from from the Harry Potter movies to which was like come on. Let's give let's give tonks something a little bit more interesting two two n no this really lame. Yeah no that episode definitely did not. It didn't it didn't it was one that landed the least for me. Yeah but so all the story all kind of comes together in seventy eight right and like how did you feel about the arc of the story. I so I'll just say that like I I loved this show Maybe maybe more than you than you all did Although you know when when I saw you tweeting about it of course like I was a little embarrassed that I hadn't thought of that you know it wasn't watching it with that. I and then I was like. Oh yeah that that's kind of that's pretty lame And then of course it's like one that's like you know then. I started to ask the question of well. Why why did they? Why couldn't the Laurean just be a woman anyway That's a question that that shouldn't could be asked like there's no reason. I don't think why that shouldn't have happened. But overall all I will say all that aside like from a from like a star wars nerd from a young age kind of thing I just love SP spending this this kind of time in this world and You know I just noted out really hard on I I loved it pretty much. Top to bottom aside from you know a few of the episodes clinically landing. I'm really excited to see what happens next though. That's that's sort of the if we want to talk about we're things ended an episode seven and eight and where it's going that's that's to me. What really got me? Yeah I feel like there's some really interesting you know raising the stakes toward the end. I I mean I feel like I feel like what the show does best. Is that kind of the kind line of Space Western vibe and so when it gets back into that rhythm. I bit that it often works. It often it fires on more cylinders often than when it's trying to do other things and so like the siege in the in the sort of town square the building as much as I'm sort of like there's a part you know I I wish ah that star wars show didn't love guns as much as the this show really loves guns toward the end like i. I also sort the found it more effective and engaging than a lot of but it led up to it and you know and I mean I think Giancarlo Esposito is a i. I mean I'm always happy to see him in things. I think he could make for a very interesting villain figure. I'm I'm a little frustrated by okay. Okay so so at the end. It's revealed that his character moth Gideon wields the dark sabre which is a big deal. Apparently which star wars nerds nerds is like a big deal and and that to me. I'm I'm frustrated with because I because I'm now at this point where like and look I grew up with Tolkien. I grew up loving Lord of the Rings and lending like Oh objects objects of power and things that have legacy and dynasty and everything but the past last few years have really. And the way that there's so much cultural conservatism around like stories. That are all kind of inwardly focused and like where there's just so much potential for `gate-keeping and stuff around like well the dark sabree. If you don't now you know who wielded it originally in its history for the man delorean people and like this and that and it's like I don't WanNa have to keep track of a million different sources of Star Wars Lord understand like or to be to understand what's happening here to get the sort of depth of it. Yeah I'm I'm just frustrated with that kind of interconnected storytelling fundamentally at this point. Like I just I just you. I'm not here for that. I'm here for these characters and their stories and I don't care about like the Lore so much But but at the same time like as far as you know I thought a lot of the stuff with g eleven was interesting and good. I liked a lot of what happened in the in coming up becoming a caretaker and that whole that whole turn Yeah you know it puts a different spin on droids in general. Well just just how in Luke Skywalker this idea that like all the storm troopers are are brainwashed. Babies essentially and so killing telling them is morally a little. You know much grayer than yeah thought that I would say you know with same goes for for joy. It's if they can be reprogrammed programmed so yeah but there's also this it's so interesting to me ethical question that's raised where idea Levin tells the man delorean I I am not a living thing or whatever so that so that he and I'm like okay are droids really really not alive or we really meant to think of them that way or it. It didn't strategically that. I then more demand Lauren will let him save his life by like he has the kind of I mean. I don't I WANNA say dehumanize but like deep you know purse down devalue himself in order to in order to do that it's just this fascinating kind of ethically thickly like thorny moment also in that moment I'm not I'm not convinced that like I'm not convinced that I g eleven actually had the die there because is there was there was like maybe like eight stormtroopers which I feel. They could have handled but he did have to die for Storm Mendoza Windows character development that his his entire center so that we can get back story and see his growth and his humanity. Come through in this environment in which it's been stripped away right like he really serves as a as just A. Yeah A yes. I just said what I said. Well yes I think something that made me. EXC start appreciating the show a little more than I had before or in a different way than I had before was like a little twitter thread by the critic. Matt Zoller Sites Where when he he was watching the show and he was like? Oh it's really interesting like the Mando. laurean is is protecting baby. Yoda because baby. YODA ODA in a way represents like his own child self right and told him like. That's obvious and it's obviously so true. But it just hadn't really thought about it in the before and in like. Oh Yeah like there is definitely something going on there The flashback and flashbacks. We get to demand Lorient's childhood or in the final few episodes kind of bring emphasize that quite a bit. So so I'm with you on the lower thing like because because as much of an I grew up watching the films and I watched all of the prequels in the theater and I watched all of the new ones in the theater. And I'm I'm I'm I'm really into star wars and but I but I will say I haven't watched all of clone wars and I haven't watched rebels like I'm not like and I haven't read all the books I'm not you know but my perspective on the Laura is like as I watch these things and I see someone say like oh the dark sabre is like a big deal. I kind of honestly like my response to that. Is I kind of enjoy going. And reading away. Kapiti article about a million and and I'm like an and another aspect of that is like learning about the history between jet is and mandatory right and like very viable ry and there and and then how that brings a new depth to their relationship. Obviously Yo Baby Oda and Mando and yeah yes and then I'm like and I'm I'm like is going to become a man. delorean is like that is that sort of is the man Laurean of the show not actually Mando. But it's actually baby iota is the men delorean The title of the show. Right as someone who's not a hardcore star wars fan and has no idea what you're talking about with the light saver or the dark whatever the doc sabre whatever you know the thing is that a really good and this this definitely comes up with the rise of skywalker. Yeah a good star wars or a good piece of media from any huge franchise should stand alone own it to some degree right and so like that didn't change. That didn't change the experience for me whether I likes right not no. It wasn't like there's this thing I don't know about it. It was just like cool. You don't even think about it and you're still deeply engaged in the conflict which is one hundred percent and I read it the yeah I read. Oh had opportunity right to. You can dig in deeper if you want to my issue and so to be clear like my issue is not even so much with. It's not even like the show itself bringing dark sabre for in its more and again. This is all like residual just anxiety from the past few years of the quote unquote discourse is like the ways in which other other fans latch on. You only to to those kinds of things and to them like that is what's in all of its important are like the Objects and like the totems of and like knowing them and their history and like the legacy and the dynasty and like the `gate-keeping that happens around that like. I'm just so wary of that. Now that when I see the dark sabre show up here. Where like some years ago have been like? Oh that's kind of fun like they're pretty they're pulling in this thing from elsewhere. We're now I'm worried because I've seen how other people think about things like that. Then I get I tense up and I'm like Oh fuck. Is this going to be like like the thing that divide the true star. Wars fans Noah. What the dark sabre is in? Its significance like I'm just so tired of that shape than I almost this knee jerk reaction now when stories introduce opportunities for that kind of acting around around a story. Okay and what makes it good or not good that it's not even about the story itself and that's not fair demand Laurean like my reaction but it is based in things that I've seen happen Lot over the past few years why they hated less jet I so much because it was so much about burning down all that stuff exactly literally and figuratively Eh. Yes yeah there's one tiny thing I wanted to point out just in relation to Way Women are represented. And like it's not it's not a thing worth noting except in the context of a show that just doesn't particularly value women when Mando and Oh my goodness what's his name that they're in in episode eight. They're they're being. They're stuck in that area. Cargo the call Carl weathers character character. Yeah so they they go out to fight the storm troopers and carriages stays back and provides cover. And it's one of those things where I'm like well. Wouldn't she be more capable like she's she's younger and she's very well like the whole show has taught us that she's like very capable and very strong and very together and and it's just another way that I'm like oh they like a removing the woman from the action in this particular and again it's so minor that most of the time I wouldn't bring this this kind of thing up but I think it's worth mentioning in terms of like how repeated this like how repeatedly this happens and I think that Cara Dunes characters really appealing really interesting and I think that Gina Carano you know she's not the best actor like but she's so appealing medic. Yeah she's yeah and I think that she's GonNa get better right like she's an MA fighter. She used to compete. She got into acting. She's she's learning and I think that like they they. I don't know how she got the role but giving her this chance. I think that they did. I think that they did good like by allowing her to be in this role and so you you know maybe there was some of that. They're trying to like not give her too much or I'm reading. I'm being too generous. You do it for sure but but you know yeah just another example of how like Oh the show which again. I don't like when I think of the show is a whole. I'm I'm not like oh that was garbage like it was. I was very engaged with it like I was actually travelling and I like went out of my way and used a VPN VPN and like watched episodes while. I was on the road because I kinda wanted to see what was next like. I clearly gave a shit and was engaged even though I have so so many criticisms about it. So there's something magnetic about it and I I like I also am like Oh cool. What's going to be next? You know like what's going to be season two you know. There's there's a way in which the show this is just another random thought. There's no way in which the show is is operated as simply a machine in which Baby Iota was put into peril. And we we react to that. You know what I mean. It's just like every single episode. It's like protect baby. Yoga wire you not doing why. Why did you just do that thing? That put baby Yoda and apparel. Please stop hitting baby. Yoda why are you hitting. Oh you jerk I hate you now and which which on the one hand like my nervous them doesn't like but on the other hand from a story per interview I was like it. Just really got me feeling that about Bibiana everywhere and there's something interesting about baby yoga in the sense. That baby ODA is not helpless. Baby Yoga like we know that baby. Yoda harbors tremendous power incredible. And we do see that on occasion Asian and like apparently babyhood occasionally like miss misuses his power like this choke care. Yeah almost four shows Karen Commander Manders better no. She's a friend she's a friend. Like this is just a game we're playing or whatever So maybe is interesting in that way of being like like yes. Obviously we're concerned about his wellbeing and everything we want him to be protected and yet we also kind of wondering like well. Well what is baby. Yoda capable of and like you know what is baby yoga going to do next hour musket in want with baby yoga. Yeah and what is yeah and also like there is so much like what you were talking about Jonathan with the like. He's a young something in training. I like whether it's a mandatory or whatever like or you know all of the above kind of thing I will. What's interesting is they? Don't gender iota except for like once or twice the whole show or should be clear about that I really Oughta they I remember distinctly Mando calling telling him he like once every other time was very general like it was the child troy the assets of the baby. Yeah so you know. I suspect. Act that that's not necessarily intentional. And that the baby Yoda's going to end up being male with the way that the show is going but I think at this point it would be. It would be a weird swerve. 'cause I mean it would be so delightful though wouldn't yeah but I mean they must know because they have to I I mean do they have to change his diapers. I mean they must do that. I'm anatomy whatever assuming that that's all I don't know I I mean yeah it's a very loaded. Conversation like can choose their own gender enough okay. That's another yes. Another another really exciting thing about about the end of the show is that and this is another thing that I didn't know ahead of time and I looked up. You know as people were talking about it you know so We don't know we know nothing. We know nothing about baby. We know nothing about Yoda's species their planet where they come from anything about them. So and we're were what were sort of tantalizingly at the end. They're given a given a clue that like in in the future of this show potentially Salihi. You'll Amando is tasked with bringing baby. Yoda back to its people. So that is a thing that might happen where we might. We might finally after years years of George Lucas jealously guarding the secret. Get some clarity about like and so and so. I'm not not even sure that we know you spoke last week Last time with Jessica I think it's Yodel and Yadel Jato was other one from the prequels calls is like the female iota but but I mean I wonder if I wonder if all of that I wonder if even like the gender stuff they might even then changed possibly like You know maybe maybe it's going to be something totally different than we're not even aware of their seventeen genders right the right of that species or something. Yeah it's pretty. It's pretty exciting though. I don't know yeah I yes as the one who didn't know any of the lawyers like how much do we know about the Yoda people down. 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Imagine that it is it is a new and it's not super new But it's it's it's new in the sense of like there aren't a whole lot of new social networks right because we have a few of them and it anytime a new social network tries to exist facebook either copies it out of existence or you know otherwise finds a way to crush it But Tick Tock talk came from China and and in in in that way. Sort of like more untouchable by Facebook Kim by it in the way that they would and it's not easily replicable. What they're doing so tick tock if you haven't seen it it's a bit like vine so if you remember vine from back in the day was owned by twitter in that it's like short form videos vine I think quiz six seconds? You could do talk as up to sixty and the real sort of like to me at least the real kind of deep innovation here. I think like tick tock used to be called musically musical dot L. Y.. And the music aspect to what Tick Tock does does is I think the most important feature every single Tik Tok has if it even if it doesn't have music music The audio from every tick tock can be used and remixed into the into someone else's talk so the bottom of the screen. There's a little thing that either either says the song that is playing and and side note. It has an APP from China and like. I think it's like legally. It's very gray. Ah like how they're using all these songs like like actual people songs on Tick Tock like I'm certainly not get paid or anything for any of the plays that happened on Doc. Let's put that aside for now on on on every single Tik Tok. There's a little thing that says either the songs playing or it just says like original audio by the user who posted the video and you can click on that audio and you can use that for your own video so people go viral just because the audio oh from their thing is funny or something and people take it and they do their own things with it and that's like this really interesting it's never existed before this kind of like very very fast. remix able audio video thing. It's really like it's wild and I don't really you know what else to say about it. It's definitely worth if you haven't like if you've heard about it and you have like just download it and start watching. It's a very It's one of those things like when snapchat came out and you're like Oh my God I'm old. I don't know how to yes. Take talk is very similar in that. It's like a meam factory like shit goes viral on on that so so quickly. It's hard to find what like you're like. Where are the things what do they mean? And if you leave if you stop looking at to talk for like a couple live weeks you're just out of the loop like you don't understand with avenue anymore and my experience was exactly as I've only seen it a handful of times because I have one particular friend friend that lives in another continent and when we're together we get high and I watch him. Scroll through it and it's just it's so it's so fascinating and I'm like what does that mean. Where are you finding these? What's what's your feet? Did you subscribe to these people. I don't understand very it's very different. So they have a thing called the four you page aged and it's so this is what they call it. They call it the four page. It's not a page. There's nothing page about it. It's just it's just you're just scrolling. It's just like there's too there you untitled two things who you're following the for you page and if you're if you scroll through the four you quote unquote page. It's just you're just seeing things that tick tock thinks. Thanks that you're GonNa like based on what other people are liking what other people are watching. And when you first log into it can actually be very off putting it certainly is was for me because the things that it thinks that you're going to like just off the bat that everyone likes. Are you know the lowest common denominator is like like pranks and and you know scantily. Clad women doing dances. And all this kind of stuff. And you Kinda just have to tell it that you don't. Someone taught me how to do this because because baby yoder went viral carol. I wanted to understand it so my friend who also went viral on there awhile ago was like no no no you have to go through and you tell it that you don't like all that stuff and you're just like you can download it or say that you don't like it or whatever and eventually you start teaching it what you like and your four you quote unquote page it like. I think it'll just start showing you stuff that you like it. It's it's I don't know there's a lot of like curated at now to where like pretty much. Everything I see is just like teens like leftist teens making memes about like lefty stuff which is like Super Fund and like other adults on the platform. Her like I don't know what I'm doing I'm an adult on tick tock and like and like so you do have to sort of like it's weird and I've I've tried posting on it and sort of trying to figure out how it works and stuff by by doing that and it's it's just it's a very different two very very different. What kind of platform and I I guess the most exciting thing to me about it is that it is a new social network? And I don't think that it can be can be you know ruined Or bought in the way the instagram was or the way that snapchat that instagram's copied snapchat and everything like that's probably not going to happen to take any time soon. Although it probably has its own set of issues being chiming. That's very true. Yeah yeah all right cool Carolyn. What are you freaking out about? I am freaking out about the film. Little Women So did I did. I went to see all night and it is in my view. It is a a magnificent film like just absolutely like brimming with life and energy and beauty and like and and real ideas. Like you know I mean and The characters it really engages with even though the characters exist in somewhat of a position of privilege relative to their time and it acknowledges that like it also Oh acknowledges the ways in which women's opportunities to live their own lives and to make their own money in the world and all these things are so so so limited But but it's not it's not just like all part of what's wonderful about it. Is that all of its sort of ethical concerns in its concerns about these larger larger issues. They don't feel like they're kind of grafted on in some way as like artificial lessons or whatever like it all at least to me as if you are felt very much organic rooted in their lives and their experiences and their struggles. So it's kind of fascinating and regrettable to wake up this morning Oscar. Nominations where little women is nominated for best picture and social SOCIA- Ronin is nominated for best actress and Foreign Pugh for best supporting actress and so on but like this is a bad. The film making in this film is masterful like this is a this is a film where you feel. The directors stamped the director. Greta Gerwig and I mean everything about this film is distinctive. You have so much so many scenes of like overlapping dialogue and so many things happening. Where a room just feels bustling and alive with energy for instance in a way that is so unusual in in contemporary mainstream filmmaking? And that's you know that's Greta Gerwig like like a vision and her filmmaking and the lighting in this film is beautifully naturalistic. I mean just looks gorgeous too beholden all these things that really set it apart and said as a film you know. It's infuriating to wake up today. And Oh Todd Phillips is nominated for fucking Joker ochre for best director by Greta. GERWIG is not and you know. There's a really interesting little exchange in little women that I mean in some ways kind of cuts to the heart of a lot of what what we do here. So obviously the main character played by Sir Sharon and it is a writer she or she dreams of being a professional writer and she's writing a story about kind of her And autobiographical story right about her. And her sisters and things like that of course and and and she's like Oh but very important like our. Our lives are little dealings. Our lives are not very important and one of her sisters says well but by in writing about it you make it more important in and Joe the search around and characters like no no. No writing reflects importance. It doesn't confer it or bestow stowe it and and the other sisters like no no like you like win. The stories told like it makes that matter more. And it's just this interesting thing this kind of interesting acknowledgement of how the stories we tell matter and representation matters and all that in this philosophical little little moment that happens in the film anyway on Timothy. Shallow may just you know so good in this as as in just about everything I've seen him in any way a truly like I walked out of this just feeling so alive and And just so good. It's it's it's really a really a wonderful film. In my opinion opinion nice. I cannot wait to see it me neither all right. I am freaking out about a book called the shining girls. Girls by Lauren Mucus. So Lauren is a friend of mine who lives in South Africa. And like I've been there twice and every year I go there. She gives me another one of her books physically. Read a book of hers a year at this point I was familiar with her work before we met I had read her book Moxie Land and then last year I read zoo city which I don't remember if I talked about in this podcast which is very good and so this year I read the shining girls. No Lauren is pro like prolific creative writer and I. I can't really categorize her writing. Because some of it is like dystopia and future some of it is thriller. She's written for animation and and and comics and games as well as being a novelist So the shining girls is about it takes place in Chicago ago and there is a guy who finds a key to a house that opens to other times and he is a serial killer so he goes and murders women in across time and becomes obsessed with with these women and he called the shining girls because he wants to to he only kills women that have the shine that like he sees a shining. It's really intense and because Lawrence work is rooted. Did in feminism. It's not just like you know this because it is partly from his perspective but you you see you really get into all of these women like you see from their perspectives and their lives and their experiences and the crux of the story is that one of his victims actually survives vives and so she is determined to hunt him down and figure out who her murderer is. And so you see you see kind of both of these perspectives effectives as well as the perspectives of people in the orbit of these characters as well and it's quite it's very intense and gruesome awesome but also pretty pretty smart Especially dealing with a book around extreme violence against women so yeah that that is my freak out this week we also have a guest freak out by Alex Pereira in this frequency is next radio sued. I am freaking out about the two books. By ngelo saying they are called inferior and superior via those books are not fiction unfortunately they talk about how women have been victims of spread this this medicine in biology that the the inferior book and in Superior Chinese tackles race his targets. It's a great read as a biologist myself. I think we must try as hard as they can to who avoid our biases to influence or work for count awesome. 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I'm doing a podcast where it's called as it happens and it's a it's a it's sort of real time songwriting. So you hear me write a song from the beginning to end and it's like it's it's mostly about kind of the messy process of creation. It's sort of like you know there's a little bit of Nitty Gritty like song writing stuff in there. But it's mostly about like me being interrupted while I'm writing a song and like failing and messing up and you know and it's just like I wanted i. I sort of like my ongoing quest to uncover the mystery of like you know creating things as not a straight line. It's a IT'S A it's A. WE'VE IWO Andy every which way thing. And that's sort of what the podcast is in under twenty minutes or less every week amazing. That actually sounds really cool. I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago and we talked about your baby or a video without you and that you wrote a song in my house ones and watching can you do that was fascinating. So podcast oh that's exactly right. Yeah I remember and I would just like watching. That process was I was just like Holy Shit. It's like like it's quite incredible and I think it's very different than a lot of other A lot of other creative ventures so I have not listened to it yet but I'm going to Tillis near podcast because it sounds great. All right you can find US everywhere. Great podcasts found. And if you haven't yet go to eighteen subscribe at rate and review us you can also follow twitter instagram. And all the social media's at FEM freak although I think our youtube channel is actually feminist frequency written full but whatever it's easier to just say could figure it out how this show is engineered by Rob Pera Kerry Stimson provides technical artwork by Jamie Faran and our intro. Music is by Phil Circus. Join US next week for another. They're famous dive into pop culture by later.

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#739: The Blair Witch Project at 20 / Dietrich-Von Sternberg #1 - The Blue Angel

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#739: The Blair Witch Project at 20 / Dietrich-Von Sternberg #1 - The Blue Angel

"Thanks to grammar leave for supporting film. Spotting grammar is a communication tool that helps people improve their writing to be mistake free clear and effective start writing confidently by going into grandma's dot com slash film spotting to get twenty percents off a grammar lee premium account today. <hes> l. had its premiere back. In september at the venice film festival played sundance earlier this year it also played here in town. We didn't catch it. Unfortunately at the chicago critics film fest back in may. It's about a young irish convict her name's claire. It's set in eighteen twenty five. She follows a british officer through the tasmanian wilderness set on revenge inch for a violent act. He committed against her family. Monica castio over at the rap gave it a very positive review saying it's complicated and divisive movie movie viewers might find difficult to love but slow to forget sam shared with me another bit from monica's review in our slack channel that i kinda wish he hadn't yeah i was going is just stop where you are well. I'm just going to say it just made me dread the film seeing it even more and i say that were dread because anytime i know i'm going to watch something. It's gonna be pretty heavy yellow -cially no matter how excited i am to see it or to see what a certain filmmaker will do. You just know you're in for something. That's going to be potentially potentially overwhelming and same share with me makes me think this is going to be especially intense well. The baba you know was not exactly an easy go so so i would expect no less than something about the historical period setting yeah it makes it seem like it could be another level of intensity emotionally. Intense dread get excited excited for next week's film spotting. We're talking about the nightingale. We do occasionally here on phone. Spotting have giveaways usually advanced screening or run of engagement passes. You can find those contests tests over film spotting dot net slash events this week. We've got ten digital passes to give away to casey affleck new film light of my life this i had not i even heard of before but before we got the email i hadn't it sounds pretty fascinating setina post-apocalyptic world a father played by affleck fights to protect his daughter. After a deadly virus chris wipes out nearly all the female population so affleck in this also he wrote and directed this it is now available via digital on-demand and if you wanna watch it for free you can get one of these ten digital passes. This is first come first serve so get on this quickly by emailing feedback at film spotting dot net with the subject line light of my life include your name and mailing address in the body of the email because those are digital passes. They're going to be sent through old fashioned auctioned male indeed okay now. This will be very confusing because i'll see that subject line and think you're just sending me a message. Josh you get a lot of these. Don't you well from you in light of my life yeah more info again at film spotting dot net slash events but all you gotta do enter send that in the subject line and if you're one of the first ten you will. We'll get that free digital pass. We also wanted to plug our sister. Show the great podcast at the next picture show. It's a man of double feature pairing. The new black comedy from director director riley stearns the art of self defense with david fincher fight club. You've heard me recommend the artist. Self-defense currently out in limited release you can hear my interview with riley stearns in enter feed or over at film spotting dot net really fun conversation with him and the art of self defense is definitely a golden brick contender this year also in the film spotting outing feed. If you really want to do your homework our recent nine from ninety nine sacred cow review of fight club resources there especially fun to listen to the next picture show group after we adjust dug into fight club the different directions they went and the things they pulled out of it. I'm gonna have to hold off on that other episode about the of self defense till i catch up with yeah and also all struggle with their next episode we wanted to plug their new pairing will be once upon a time in hollywood and hal ashby shampoo shampoo a blind spot of mine one of the reasons. Why we've we've considered a hal ashby marathon here on film spotting. It just might happen at some point last week on the show. We played massacre theater. That's where we perform a scene from a movie and you get a chance at winning a film spotting t-shirt in case you missed it. We're going to give you just a little taste of last. Week's massacre seven wives time sub forty nine with seven cats seven times. Forty-nine is three three right you asking me or telling. I'm telling you three forty three times. Seven is in case. You're still confused even after getting that little little clip. Here's a clue from rob macgregor. He said people generally hold this movie in high regard. Some mouth breathing philistines will even say it's the best in the series. My guess is that these saint people haven't watched it since the nineties when we were young and foolish the best part about this right after rob sentece mail the next to mask or theater entries they came and and said this movie was the best in the series offer another clue. I'll give you rob's email. If you want to send him any hate mail. That's insanity this opinion. It is in season sanity agrees aclu and this movie is in bad. I think on our last show. I may have joked that it was a bit of a train wreck. It really isn't it's okay. Hey but it's definitely not as good as the first film in this series no. That's what i'm getting at okay. If you know what film we massacred email the movie's title along with your name the location to feedback at film spotting dot net your deadline. Is this coming monday the twelfth hello the goddess of death is invaded. God help us back. The nascar already ready lowest. I'm going to stop alone on put together team. It's me you the big guy. No not talk to me. You don't do these listen time for some poll results. That was chris hemsworth. Tessa thompson and mark ruffalo was hulk in thor ragnarok a couple of weeks back. We asked you what marvel phase for film project are you most excited about among the options is takeaway. T._d.'s followup to ragnarok next year's four love and thunder your options black widow scarlett johansson of course directed by cate shortland or the internals else angelina jolie kumail nangiani in that directed by khloe jiao who gave us one of the best films the last year the writer your third choice shanxi and the legend of the ten rings starring aquafina and tony leon directed by destin daniel cretin who made short term twelve doctor strange in the multi-diverse of madness benedict cumberbatch of course along with elizabeth olsen scott derricks and back as director of that the aforementioned thor love and thunder and blade which sam kind of cheated here. It's officially phased five we think but we're including it because marshall ali has been named as the star and we love him as do i think most most of our listeners so how did this one come out probably good we included blade because it fared pretty well starting at the bottom though here is shanxi and the legend of the ten rings which received seven percent of the vote black widow maybe a little bit of a surprise only nine percent here in second to last place blade comes next with fourteen percent doctor strange in the multi verse of madness received received fifteen percent the eternal sixteen percent but yep a big jump to the winner thor love and thunder thirty nine percent of the vote we heard from cormac reorient reorient and i'm sorry cormac for how i butchered your last name while face for actually looks pretty exciting. I'm happy to see i._t. Returns thor three remains my personal favorite favorite marvel picture in between my love for the writer mahershala elise career and the prospect of a real horror flick in the m._c. You with doctor strange too. I think i'll at least be enjoying this new wave of the a._n._c. you at least in concept we also heard from robert louis being a comic nerd. I mean a collector for love and thunder is the one i am looking forward to the most that's based on how much i enjoyed the thor comic series which began in two thousand fourteen written by jason aaron with art by russell doubt herman here we have thor odin knudsen. The original thought are are now unable to lift the hammer mule near without getting too deep into the story. Dr jane foster is worthy enough to lift the hammer and becomes the new thor yes there were a lot of fan fan boys upset and trolling marvel and anyone associated with the title but this was a well written storyline and this is not really a new idea what if number ten which came out in august of one thousand nine hundred seventy eight asks and answered the question what if jane foster had found the hammer of thor spoiler alert another story line also written with jason aaron as part of that team. I'm now has jane foster as the valkyrie. The series valkyrie jane foster will be out later this year. Okay reg roberts a little more pithy. It's thor for two reasons tak- y._t._d. Fair enough dylan dom from lincoln nebraska said literally all you had to say about the eternal which i know nothing about is that khloe jiao is directing can't wait to see what she does. Mitchell bo pray wrote in the combo of destin daniel cretin tony freaking leong and some serious asian representation in superhero movies make shanxi a close close second but it's got to be the turtles for me. It's really exciting that marvel's finally making some real impactful pushes for representation these flex in the industry at large such a diverse cast the first death superhero onscreen played by an actual deaf actress and a female asian-american director to boot nice to see them making the push for female directors and movies beyond exclusively wli ones with female leads is taking them ten years to start having the kind of representation that they should have had from the beginning but better late than never and the attorneys is the kind of wild and weird property three that they never could have gotten under the screen ten years ago plus. It's got kumail nanjiani and brian tyree henry one more common here from james fahey. I would never have expected good to say this but blade is my most anticipated m._c._i. Film this is for one reason alone. Mahershala ali the best actor of our generation taking on a seminal m._c._i. Role role has me excited beyond belief yeah. I'm there with you though it's not two reasons mahershala ali james can do math. We're just going one okay our new poll question and and it is time for a patent i mean this really should be trademarked at this point deeply flawed full question from producer sam. I'm glad he's willing to accept the blame. Totally who who is the decade defining actress of the two thousand ten's. Oh this is going to cause problems inspired by all of the best of the decade writing being done over an indie wire. We'll provide a link to that in our show notes ville spotting dot net but also inspired by our planned review right now plan review a richard linklater's. Where'd you go bernadette. It opens wide on august sixteenth. It starts keep blanchet certainly one of our very best actresses ever regardless of decade according to india wire. She gave the second best performance performance. This decade of the twenty tens the title role and todd haynes carol but his blanchet the decade defining actress of the two thousand ten's. Here's sam's criteria that filled up our slack channel over the weekend the i couldn't keep up with this but thankfully i subscribe to the film's body newsletter adam so i got a hint of all all of this. Y'all ready this week. Sam lay this out. Here's his criteria one sustained commercial and critical success throughout the decade guy to the twenty he tends is the first decade of that sustained commercial and critical success so consider blanchet twenty tonnes not the first decade of her success accessory so she has been deemed unqualified. How about that vote for her. So who does that. Leave us while sam putin amy adams. She's got four oscar. Nominations in this decade arrival probably big starring vehicle. She's been in man of steel and the justice league movies also been in american hustle and the master now. Some people might point going out that adams has two other oscar nominations back in the two thousands for june bug and doubt plus. There was the commercial success of enchanted so i'd we're already off wrong. Path deeply flawed remember that or you've got jessica chastain to oscar noms this decade zero dark thirty probably really her big starring vehicle also in the martian interstellar tree of life take shelter and the help no one outside of n._y._c. theater circles by notes. Tell me had heard of chastain before two thousand ten so she's all good. There's no complaints about whether or not she fits into. This deeply flawed poll question okay jennifer lawrence. Let's see four oscar nominations nations this decade. She won for silver linings playbook. She's also been of course in the hunger games and in the x. men franchise no one had heard of her before twenty she tends winter's bone so i think that you know that really meets the criteria and probably spoiler are going to get my vote okay scarlett johansson also in contention attention no oscar nominations ever not even for under the skin key roles of course in the avengers movies and the lead in luke basan lucy memorable voice work eric in her and i love dogs but she's been acting since she was a kid in the nineties and had some notable roles in the two thousands lost in translation in the prestige so she's getting the flawed tag the we're including her yeah flawed. I don't hold the kids stuff against her. Necessarily lost in translation. That's yeah that was made breakout right up about lupita yongbo auto more recent breakout. She does have one oscar nomination and a win for twelve years a slave. Perhaps she'll get another one. I really hope at least nomination next cheer for this year's us. She has been in this latest round of star wars sequels of course she was also black panther shouldn't even graduate from yale drama school until twenty anti twelve so she is clearly in kristen stewart also in the poll no oscar knobs but notable performances in the clouds of sills maria personal shopper certain women among others started the decade as the star of the twilight movies three of the four of which came out this decade though she likes scarlet has been acting since she was a kid and was in some notable movies last decade so maybe debatable on the flawed front maybe debatable in terms of whether or not you accept that she is truly a great actress but hell we devoted an entire top five to her best moments so yeah. I think we can say for sure yes. Including emma stone do include emma stone stone three oscar nominations this decade one for la la land co star of the pretend they never happened amazing spider man films also she had these hits the help crazy zi stupid love and easy a no lead roles really until the twenty one so. I think i'm as good absolutely qualifies. It's a very tough one and you mentioned jay. Law is probably getting your vote is that because of your deep appreciation for winter's bone mainly yeah for me. It's it at some point. You just got away the talent to and who you're most excited to see on the screen. I know some of these fit the criteria better than others so it's not just that she is a perfect fit. I also like the balance of the work that she's done from something very small like winter's bone to something big like the hunger games and i think her performances there. Ah reason that those movies one of the reasons are as good as i think they are and she can just do. I just about anything so the ranges. They're she's. She's my vote. I think i'm going other and i don't really have the foundation meaning. I haven't looked through every film she's made in which ones came out in which years to see whether or not this is a flawed choice or not but just in terms of who i think of as an actress i wanna see on screen more than any other actress. It's other. It's michelle williams. She's my favorite actress going right now and unfortunately she didn't fall into the other category so yeah this poll questions deeply deeply flawed sam. How dare you some other ones that he felt though had the critical award success like williams but maybe not quite the commercial or wide cultural impact to match the others carey mulligan viola ella davis rooney mara octavia spencer sir sharon elizabeth moss and greta gerwig so of any of those strikes your fancy you vote other or write in someone else people along long with blanchett who might have been eligible in the two thousands of better fit. Their saint has charlie's therapy and natalie portman. I love this one tilda swinton. She's probably not human definitely bentley not here so you can't counter no in early voting. Josh's choice jennifer lawrence has a pretty healthy lead over amy adams but it is early emma stone and jessica chastain with respectable numbers. We would love to hear your thoughts on this whole. We'd love to get your votes. You can vote now at film spotting dot net if you leave a comment and we hope you do. Please let us know where you're listening from. I will tease that. I'm pretty sure we're gonna take all the work. Sam is done on this whole question and use it as the foundation china's flawed as it is used as the foundation for a top five or ten at some point in the near future thinking about maybe early next year as we're looking back on this decade and we share maybe our top twenty films of the decade just as film spotting did for the past decade but maybe we also share our favorite performances or go ahead and do a more traditional split the top five or ten actresses of the decade top five or ten actors of the decades so we're gonna get to all of this and a lot lot more detail. I think at some point down the road you can look forward to that and again boat now spotting dot net lula. You're not sorry that you'll have to talk my language unless you act test. You're like police officials mike. The name is <hes> lucas. He ought to know enough to take off your head marlene dietrich and amila mill jennings in nineteen thirties. The blue angel directed by josef von sternberg. It's the first film and are dietrich von sternberg marathon and the first collaboration between the iconic actress actress and director of course you heard those words in english which tells you we pulled the clip from the english language version of the blue angel it it was not dubbed but shot simultaneously with the german version though the german version is definitely longer ten to fifteen minutes and is also. What's it's available on amazon prime. Which is i think how we both watch the movie indeed the blue angel is the story of a strict and scolding professor played by jennings who becomes uh-huh obsessed with dietrich's nightclub singer lola lola because this is a foam spotting marathon we of course have to get the conversation started with the help of our friend. The professor sir nathaniel myers in south bend indiana hello adam and josh the impetus of every film spotting marathon is i know to remedy filming blind nine spot but i suspect i'm not alone on your listeners and feeling that between joseph sternberg and marlene dietrich one name and face is considerably more recognizable than the other other even as von sternberg himself supposedly always very happy to remind people that he played no small part in engineering dietrich's mystique nevertheless it's dietrich herself who the american film institute once counted among the top ten greatest stars that lingers most in our cultural memory therefore went into this week's film nineteen thirties the blue angel angel excited to get a chance to see dietrich and action but also curious to see the work of the director who at least ostensibly made her a star to that end and while watching the film dietrich appeals an actress was almost immediately clear to me even if her character in her actions remain a bit of an enigma as lola lola dietrich impressively navigates and reconciles seemingly antithetical character traits alexi temptress domestic siren callous adultress maybe even world-weary world-weary child nowhere is the actresses heavy performance lifting more clear than in her starkly different performances of the song falling in love again the first sts seductive flirty gregarious and inviting so the second almost confrontational exculpatory confessional but in its final moments. Maybe self-reproach ing so beat. An estimated von. Sternberg is on the other hand. Maybe a bit trickier for me. He was clearly effective in creating a gauzy fetishistic glow around dietrich and i appreciated his other bolt visuals such as his use of expressionistic long shadows and repeated long take in the classroom of professor manual rut a visual book end marking the the beginning and end of his social descent. I'm less certain of what to make of the story of that descent particularly in the heavy handed moralizing of what can be red is a cautionary tale of feminine wiles that threaten the dignity of upstanding men. The story of on starboard dietrich will include as farren smith nebi notes in her criterion essay a much greater cast of characters once they get to paramount in the marathons next film but for now in this first outing. I'm wondering wondering from you guys who are two key players must excited you for what's to come our hollywood superstar or the self-described puppeteer pulling strings. Thanks guys no surprise the professor coming up with really i think josh the perfect question to embark on this marathon with and to discuss the blue angel with it is pretty rare thinking about film spotting marathon history to have two collaborators now we can go through some of the filmmakers because we've covered like cavities and bourbon and others and point out recurring stars they use or other members of their kind of troop but other than herzog kinski. We haven't really joined to artist together like this and if your answer to nathanielsz question is von sternberg you have to somehow forget the way dietrich pretty pretty much glows on screen every frame that she's in. If your answer is dietrich you have to forget that it's von sternberg who gives her that glow through his handling of light and shadow and how he emphasizes her in the frame. I would love to give the answer that i think would defy conventional wisdom here but i can't despite how excited i am to see how von sternberg evolves as a filmmaker. I'm really excited to watch how dietrich really owns a movie b basically owns this movie even though she's really playing defense towel roll too jennings an early screen fem fatal but von sternberg at at least in this film isn't very interested i don't think in her in her life and lola's in her life and her wants and her desires really until the end anyway we get a glimpse of it through some of her actions actions and through dietrich's performance. I think it's dietrich mainly though making lola feel like a more richly developed character than she is right. I can't wait to you see more from her because you said earlier in the show not familiar at all with monster burbs work and really with dietrich think i've seen her in one other film witness for the prosecution with billy wilder otherwise a total blind spot for me. I was very excited about this marathon before even more excited after seeing the blue angel yeah i haven't seen any of his films and i've only known her from touch of evil much later incarcerator and representative really at all of her screen presence from what i understand <hes> yeah. I can't separate them either. That's the point of the marathon but maybe if i was forced to. I'd pick dietrich just because and this'll be interesting as we get into this review and talk about how we read the dynamic here. You're in how it might represent. Maybe the behind the scenes behind the camera dynamic. Her cultural impact overshadowed his eventually in the sense that from what just doing some background reading these are mostly considered by most people his best films the one he made with her certainly certainly later in his career a few titles that get noticed as well as interesting pieces but reading like david thomson for instance on the both of them <hes> and a few others it seems like like she almost made his career through these films and yet was still able to work beyond him in in ways that built upon her ledge. Okay hold that. I don't know if that's what i'm really eager to find out as this progresses is this marathon progresses says. Do we see that seesaw shift. I'm just speculating because again. I'm all new to this but i'm really excited to see if we get any sense of that seesaw shifting fifteen and i hope we don't overplay that and try to over interpret these movie strictly through that lens but it's definitely going to be fun to have that in the back of our minds and specifically when it comes to the blue angel thinking of dietrich obviously lola lola but also von sternberg eric somewhat as the professor and how the movie i think does make a significant shift about halfway through so that its sympathies lie with the professor in many ways and it's as you suggested much more interested in his interior life and his situation than it is in lola lola's and yet because of her talent. She yanks that movie back towards her whenever she can yeah she really does and maybe well. We could probably hold off a little bit. I suppose before before we get to the ending in the implication of that the professors downfall here but i do want to acknowledge as good as dietrich is i had almost as much fun fund watching jennings another actor. I'm not familiar with at all and right before we started recording. You touched on how much this did seem like silent film which is fitting as it is. Nineteen eighteen thirty in some of those techniques are still being employed. This is a very early sound film but the early delights of this movie for me weren't dietrich. They were jennings. They were his face now for. She's in the scene to she's making the scene happened. She's making these moments happened but it's jennings face for example when he's the guy who is scolding his students for succumbing to this kind of sorted lifestyle but then as soon as he sees her for the first time he almost literally can't stop looking at her and and the face he makes when they're sitting next to each other and i love the way it's framed to where he's such a big hulking presence but he sitting on a chair that makes some almost like a little schoolboy next to her because that's what she reduces him to and she says that he's quite handsome and that face jennings makes is one that just absolutely cracked me up josh and i would go back and watch again and again and i mentioned that he can't stop looking at her when he's walking to his reserved seat after one of their encounters he walks down into the audience of this nightclub and he's being taken to this balcony seat and he knows if he just walked there in twenty seconds he would be able to stare at her all he wanted to but he literally can't stop looking at her as he's walking it takes them like two minutes to get up to the balcony because he has to look at her face and we see it when they finally do have an encounter where he ends up staying at her place and he staring at her over breakfast breakfast and even then at the end of the film. There's some symmetry and there's a lot of symmetry in some parallels that are used in this film at the end when he hates her and is being fueled by his rage jealousy. He can't stop looking at her then either as he's walking to the stage. He's still constantly looking back at her so i really enjoy watching him as well yeah. I think that's silent. Film background really helps because as you're describing it. This is a performance of reactions. It's not it's all in his response and it's better to get that non. Verbally i was familiar with him from w murnau's the last laugh which is a big silent performance <hes> and so i was a bit especially at the beginning where you get some of that with the comedy a bit taken aback by it but i think he tempers it and he taps it down just a little bit you know moving forward into a different kind of filmmaking while still retaining the last laugh this underemployed doormen who loses his job and he kind of boroughs real heavily into to the sorrow of that and i think that's brought in here where it's a very sad performance. This is a guy who even when he has the public reputation and the stature atucha at the beginning of the film. You could see that <hes> he's not entirely fulfilled. There's something else missing. It's part of the reason why he goes to the blue angel under the guise of tracking gene down his students and reprimanding them were because of jennings. We know there's more going on here right at the beginning so yes. He's very good and i think you do need that up to balance dietrich's star wattage a little bit <hes> but it also makes it easier for the film to sway more into the profess busters point of view and getting back to that seen him as a sympathetic figure. I think a little bit at her expense when we do get to that ending but before we get to that we should talk a little bit about the just the the theatricality of this which i think is something we're going to spend a lot of time talking about from what i've read about sternberg films and here. It's clear like she's she's. She's center stage for a purpose but i like how he transferred the stage to almost every other seen her so her dressing room very much becomes a stage aged or even that room after when they eventually get married. I think this is on their honeymoon. There's a very thin gauzy curtain in their room and she seemed threw it changing in silhouette and it's she might as well be on the stage at the blue angel there and this is more performance than von sternberg but also the moment where she sticks her head out and then wraps the curtain around her body like its address. That's fitting high love that. I love that moment though it's interesting that you credit her with that and maybe it it was a choice but maybe was him as director giving her that note and there's a little bit of symmetry there too i would say they meet in her dressing room with her disrobing disrobing yeah and here it's kind of interesting that even as they're now married and they should be very intimate not that i'm suggesting she being prudish in any way or covering up but that is essentially what she's doing. She's wearing that slip and she could be more exposed in that moment. She feels compelled to draw that curtain over her just like it's a beautiful gown on. It's part of her teas as well. That's the primary persona the movie gives her and we can talk about the performance more than the other layers. That dietrich brings because i think that's important but the primary persona tone of the movie gives her is definitely that of tea so that moment captures that quality <hes> i liked how this movie also leaned into and we'll see if this is something that you know vince sternberg continues when he goes back to hollywood the german expressionism of this film. There's a direct lift speaking of her now from nosferatu of a cripple boy when they go to beat up their classmate right that what you want to talk about scares i said blair witch didn't scare me. Just the callback to vampire movies always terrify. I mean just the callback to it that oh my gosh really really scared. Even though it's a it's a steal it it works really great and just we don't get outside of the club or other buildings very often but when we do these the rooftops how they kind of we see them through the smoky gloom and they're sort of looming over jennings and when the professor goes that first time to the club through these winding alleys. It's they're just like these dens of sin team to devour him very expressionist mystic different from the theatricality. I was telling you about but the two the two styles work very well together i think yeah and with some of those nods to expressionism there are some more perhaps subtle flourishes as well and this is the problem with including nathaniel in our marathon discussions that almost invariably he points out something in his voicemail that i was going to bring up and feel very clever about and it's that moment where he has now decided he hasn't proposed to her yet but he goes back to school after their night together and the students all make fun of him. A colleague comes in dismisses the students and says you can't give up your whole life for this woman for a woman like that and he says in that moment you're talking about who's going to be my wife and i think it's him. In that moment. Recognizing fully the feelings he has for her and the decision. He's made by even uttering that outlawed. The guy leaves says he's gonna have to report him. In that moment his life is pretty much over and he kinda kinda sits slumping at the desk reckoning with the heaviness of that moment and fun burg's cameras very slowly tracks backwards pulls back away from him almost like the camera's doing the leaving of room and the leading sidoti ashamed of it is for him in that moment as has he's actually slumped over and his motionless at the desk. If i had just seen it only once there i would have thought it was a beautiful rhetorical touched by the director <unk> but then we get it again at the very end of the film suggesting the same thing just as he was in some ways killing version of himself. A version of himself was dying. The one that was part of genteel society here he is at the end of the film literally a dead man yeah it's pretty devastating and in a great book and touch at the same time so let's get back to detroit and talk a little bit more about her performance because what i liked about this teasing nature she has is that let's replay off the playfulness. That's certainly part of this. I i'd also like to touch when she's in her dressing room and really exaggeratedly adjusting these elaborate britt dresses that she wears these costumes <hes> she she gets some humor out of that so there's a sense of humor there but what's striking is also how much this frivolity can quickly shift to boredom boredom and when that happened i saw the dietrich face that i'd seen so many stills from other films that was an interesting move for her to make aac there because it was almost like oh that's her that like at least that's the one that i quote unquote. No <hes> and it happened so quickly that is just go dark with disinterest and it's also again part of the tees. She's doing with him yeah that she does with the audience for her act. It's always about how available she is. In these songs she singing in her facial features capture that as well but the thing that's really interesting about her is that you get snippets and she even says at one point of how she considers herself an artist and a wanted to throw this at you just because it's marathon related at any point the movie character she reminded me a of the most for some reason is benghazi sarah's artistically ambitious stretch on the killing of a chinese getty. I mean it's the right mill you totally and she really doesn't seem maybe that talented quite that talented to take on the mantle of artists but she does seem to feel that way she considers herself that and i think that and and i think the performance believes that as well <hes> which goes a long way from again letting her simply be this some sort of sinister figure that i think the movie really does want her to be by the end okay well. Let's go ahead and go there because i think we have to talk about those sympathies when you discuss this movie and i guess i wanna give von sternberg a little credit for being more deliberately ambiguous us. There's no doubt that the movie suggests that she is his downfall though i think you could argue and you've already hinted this the life he's leading beforehand and isn't exactly the most fulfilled life so he doesn't fall maybe as far as he thinks he's fallen. Yes right. I think that that's very clear and way berg establish. This hypocrite is the key word and this is why josh i don't have actually much pity for him at all why i think think von sternberg manages to play both sides of this pretty capably yes you have to on some level have pity for the man he's a completely broken shell of himself at the end and he is obsessed with her. He does love. I guess if you wanna use that word of sespe probably is more accurate word but he does love his wife who is someone who oh seems like she's hell bent on betraying him so absolutely understand his jealousy in the moment and like i said you can pity him but lola is never or anything but exactly who she always says she is. Yes she might be a little bit of a tease but she says in that signature song that we here at one point earlier in the film and then we here at the very end of the film that love is a game. This is the rate song fallen in love. Again can't help it. She says love is always been my game. Play flay at how i may i was made that way can't help it and she's already told us who she is and she only lives up to that billing and that's the difference difference between her and the professor character. He is a complete hypocrite. He's someone who lives by a certain code or suggests he lives by a certain kind of moral and ethical code but of course finds himself completely drawn into this lifestyle so much so that he's willing to completely throw all that away and follow her and then when he does that he's not satisfied or fulfilled by that either and he's so embarrassed about who he is and what he's become that he doesn't want to go back to the hometown. It'd it'd be one thing if like her. He actually embraced his new lifestyle and said okay. You know what i'll be the clown at least i'm with her. I'm in love with her but he can't do that either. He's never comfortable comfortable with who he really is early in the film or later in the film where is she really never changes so. I don't really have sympathy for him. Even though that's kind of the tragic tragic comic arc no doubt of the material. I think he's being actually pretty subversive bungee jumper so we should say just in case. There's anyone listening hasn't watched the film tom he does marry her joints follows her. He gets fired so he doesn't have a job. Follow her in the troop as they travel around to other nightclubs and after a while eventually eventually at first he has to sell postcards of her to try to make money as part of the troupe and eventually takes the part of a clown where he is kind of reduced to the bottom rung of the ladder with the the troops so that's kind of what we're talking about. <hes> okay so here's why i read it differently. I think the movie is much more subversive. I would go that far but much more nuanced onced an ambivalent about him at the beginning that it is at the end and that's initially what i really liked about it. Is that moment where he the postcards that he takes from his students. He confiscates from students and we get shot. These are really interesting. There postcards of her pictures of her but actual fabric makes up the skirt. Oh yes columba show on strings of the fabric you can see under her skirt the first thing he does when he's alone back at his house blow on the post. It's really funny. I didn't see that is really sexual or erotic roddick at all. I just saw him feeling like he had to interact with her. In some way i see it as you did when you're probably completely correct yeah either either way if if he was just confiscating them to confiscate them whatever the motivation is he would've tossed him away. Okay so right there. We start to see okay this guy's kind of he he he is a hypocrite and when more anger he sends towards his students we see that he's really just dealing with his own repression so very early on how about the scene with the sailor who it comes in back stage to lola's room and essentially tries to buy her for the night and the professors there and he stands up to defend her honour will the way that von sternberg it also gives the shot of him looking under the desk at her legs so it's not that he really wants anything much different than the sailor. He's just being more delicate in fact. Let me say that. I'm glad you brought up the captain and that scene because i think that's another parallel that he deliberately draws. Remember how that whole scene culminates. He basically feels like he owns her. He should have. I've heard us and it turns into a fight in the police. Come and the captain wants the professor character for standing in his way wants him to be put put in handcuffs or whatever well how does the film ultimately end it ends with him the professor putting himself in exactly the same position as the captain and now the one demanding that she behave a certain way causing a huge ruckus there in the theater and ultimately ending up in a straitjacket jacket. He's ellen who is essentially arrested in subdued back there yeah so there's not much difference between those two but i would argue that once we get the marriage and i think it would've gone a long way if we had a better sense of lola's motivation for even bothering to marry because i understand completely what you're saying about her not being a hypocrite and saying here's who i am deal with it but the decision to mary is saying something else and i don't think the movie ever really tells us. It's not for money because he loses his job. Bob <hes> i. I think we had a sense of that. We would have had a better sense of her character but i think from that point the shift begins towards the professor and and we unrealized. There's that very early moment where he has a songbird in his apartment that has died the first time he goes backstage to her. She has a songbird and suddenly finally we get this sense that she is his songbird in a way which allows the possibility that it's just not some sort of lost or infatuation perhaps happen in fact. He does appreciate her on some level as an artist so all of a sudden he needs comes a little bit more pure in his intentions and i think the more touches like that we get of the professor. The less we get of lola when she's on stage singing that song we get hints of how she she might feel but otherwise we see a lot of her just acting sharply and cruelly to him. Those are the scene she's given in the second half of the film. That's all she plays them with nuance but that's what she's given. That's the material she's given where i think he is giving a more sorrowful notes all the way to that tragic doc finale where she's nowhere to be found and he's forced on stage back in his hometown to quote unquote perform for everyone who is just there to see his downfall. I mean that's that's just enormous shift in narrative in pure screen time and in depiction of character and i don't see this as a huge failing of the film i just. I just think that it's very i could totally understand a reading of this film that sees it's more of a moralizing <unk> effort than any sort of even curiosity exploitation piece of the time i think at ultimately does fall back on this women are are there a couple of things there domestic servants we see the professor servant right there nags we see the magician troop owner's wife wife constantly berating him or there's these seductive siren's who are going to take you down. That's really what we get in the film again. Good good film enjoyed it quite a bit but that reading. I can understand if it would bother someone into for all the reasons you mentioned. I don't put much stock in the songbird metaphor as as you do. I saw it more as a representation of the repressed unhappy life he was leading and the unrest life that she is leading the he is whether he's consciously doing or not that he is drifting towards and it's just a representation of how different they really are and i think obviously i'm putting more stock in the hypocrisy that i think bounced arberg wants us to be keenly aware of but you're talking about the roles of women. I joked on our slack with you and sam about this before the show. Oh sometimes odd little connections happen completely unplanned between the movie we discuss in the main review and the marathon and the moral of this show if you're a total idiot is never follow a woman because it will only lead to your downfall. It's in the blair witch project heather exactly back to heather joking aside though both movies josh i should do culminate with a woman's confession a confession that is notably being made to the audience both times being made to us heather talking to the camera in the tent the blair witch project and dietrich. I would say her. Confession is her singing that song falling in love again can't help it at the end of this film and i'm definitely putting a lot of stock in the way dietrich performs that number the way von sternberg shoots her the way she's sitting in that chair so powerfully and so in control of her body in the moment and she's expressing exactly who she is with no sense of guilt whatsoever and it's easy to think about this movie in relation nation to cabaret because of course the german film or a film set in germany of course in a nightclub sally bowles a very similar character to lola and a lot of ways and i don't think that's by accident. I think fossey actually had to be influenced by and was very much paying a little bit of tribute with sally bowles to lola lola. I love because of the black outfit. She's wearing the kind of slinky innis to the way she sitting. She seems like a character straight out of fosse musical completely in charge urge of her identity and her sexuality at the end of that film even though we don't get any of those fossey characters for another thirty five or forty years yeah. That's definitely connection. Even though i haven't seen the movie myself i could see the likely influence that it had. I'm going to make a connection again back to kind of what i said. At the start now that we've gotten through to the ending and i do think it's interesting to keep in mind as we go forward in the marathon just how might be parallels between the professor and lola law and dietrich von sternberg in terms of their careers because essentially you could say you know quote unquote von sternberg found her here even though she was a star already in germany but he founder under in a way that's the myth that the professor finds lola and we'll see but maybe both men are ultimately defined by by her according to her terms you know when you think of where their careers go and and we'll see what these further films reveal but i do ask you one more question to it has to do with the really unnerving clown we meet early on by reinhold bernt who just got to find his way into shots. What's random were always in the background and he's watching. He has this grim face very sad eyes and he's emaciated aided silent. He never really says anything so maybe this is obvious but the professor is putting on that exact clown nose towards the and and i'm thinking that clown the earlier clown was a former lover could have been lola's should have been went through the same cycle because once i think once they get married i may be wrong but i don't think that clown played by reinhold bernt is seen again. It's almost like the cycle he's been shifted out and she's moved on to the professor and to complete it. It's not done 'til he puts on the clown outfit. I like that. They're a lot as i said i think were meant to see a parallel. Even in that captain character that suggests that if given the chance almost any older man at least with any kind of money or standing thing is going to try at some point to own her and will be driven to rage jealousy by her yeah yeah. That's another parallel. That's there for sure the blue angel so as we said is available right now on amazon prime or you can get it via your local library. If you are lucky enough to have a local library that traffics it's in movies like these that is the place you're going to have to go if you really want to follow along with the rest of this marathon and we have talked about behind the scenes whether or or not this was truly a marathon to embark on or not when the movies are this hard to find but whether it's your library or if you have the means and can get the criterion collection edition shen that has all of their collaborations not the blue angel. It's their hollywood collaborations. Then obviously that could be route you go as well but if you see this one and have thoughts we love to hear them feedback at film spotting dot net next week we will discuss nineteen thirty same year but going to hollywood morocco starring dietrich along with gary cooper. 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I think i'm saying that movie correctly josh. It's l. u. C. e. them them that follow is also out starring caitlyn deavere olivia colman and walton geoghegan's out in wide release. A golden retriever learns the techniques techniques needed on the race track can also be used successfully navigate the journey of life. Josh the art of racing in the rain the only title these days i find more cumbersome than whatever that doctor strange in the mouth of mad mouse versus whatever it is you forgot to mention who's in the art of racine in the rain. I did kevin costner haas ner yeah. Wow i love kevin coster. I'm not going to see you know. I'm not going to see that amanda freed also also stars. Brian banks is outdoor and the lost city of gold and the kitchen great cast in that one elizabeth moss melissa mccarthy and tiffany haddish. It's the directing acting debut of andrea berle off. The oscar nominated writer of straight outta compton next week on the show. 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BONUS: Your Very Merry Christmas

"Hi everyone do we sound good to we sound good. Yeah I hope so. You hear us in our heads. Oh Yeah I'm wearing headphones. Why they never wear headphones? Yeah I'll need to as welcome to Ashley the last podcast in the last podcast of two thousand nineteen just you guys. No one is not coming out next week for new years. We've never ever taken a week off since we'll last year last year in a row podcast company. They like didn't air it during that week because we act similar so we ended up getting extra week off but so we did technically have one week off off last year but you we've never like thought in our heads we're off next. We've never physically taken a break. Yeah Yeah did you guys. Have you been reading getting the facebook group. Occasionally I was on there. Were Noida Some people were annoyed at our catfish episode. Now why why I did see some people have to say about that and then some teachers can't wait to go back and read. 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Obviously I don't get is a major party in my like what I'm saying is if it was my only job like it is for some bachelor people and some other people. Then it'd be weight easier easier for me to vet through thousands of stories as opposed to like. Does that make sense. Well it always see it also comes down to we ask our fan base for the stories and it's kind of way they you deliver. Yeah but if you guys want us to make the executive decision if we don't think stories are strong enough to not do that then just be like. Oh we truly truly don't care if you guys do it or not. It'd be an yeah well. If I'm a avid listener of a podcast I guess I would be annoyed if if one like a wash in a waste if I'm getting them once a week you guys I'm just being honest. I haven't heard one where he sat and passed three minutes. Why what do you think about a meeting even discuss this? We're done. I think this conversation's over okay. Well now I'm afraid how they're going to interpret this conversation truly. Why because maybe they're like? Oh you guys we about ideas. No what do you mean I think every I think literally the facebook group is so fun to read through. It has been the inspiration for so much shit that I feel so lucky to have it as a resource like love the vinegar I want them to interpret it any other way. Someone message me today from the facebook group and was like what are you guys. Doin' surrogates and I was like fuck. Yeah that's such a good idea. The twenty twenty half of our ideas come from facebook. So yeah you're always looks so good. I know Kelly Baker Browse. Wow the best to browse. Not sure. Good let me you know. I have looked so big game. Eyebrows aroused on. Yeah this entire years since the last pockets of the year I do want to do a little reflecting. I feel like you warn the lease make this year. I think you're every year and I would argue that almost every time I've seen you. You have not had makeup on well. Well almost well which is crazy from when I I. I went on stage the other day without makeup on just Mascaro I feel like it. I know Victoria's secret model. No I look very aren't to ruin it by makeup. That's amazing what are we going to talk about. I feel like maybe we've just talk too much about our own selves the pass law. Okay I was GONNA say I can't wait for this holiday break to now we're any makeup Then you always make. It's the worst I need to give my hair and my face a break. That's what I was saying was last time you smiled. Why why did you say that? I don't smile when I have full full-face make a one. Because I feel like I can have fun with you today to make sure I I don't move. I don't I don't drink get so dehydrated. We have ruined my lip. Guys make make sound like a death sentence right so I can't look and see you Ashley Christmas trees in the way. Okay are we in little women comes out silly I it explain the fact that WanNa rider and Christian. Bale never be topped as Laurie done a great. They did a great Rachel. I'm just saying that those were always my Joe. You guys introducing a little woman remember. Oh yeah that's awesome. I feel like I'm nervous for you. Guys Yeah I remember our star. Wars Ole. She's great my headphones on and I can't hear what if it doesn't live up up to the hype it's not going to. I always know that the the the it's actually not the original one thousand nine hundred forty one was also a remake of whatever they made in like the seventies or something but but the nineteen ninety-four one. I saw in theatres as a six year old. I know that sounds ridiculous before like. Oh she's exaggerating her age. I was born in nineteen ninety. The eight I saw in the eight nine born in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight. I saw in the theater with my mom. I'm in one thousand nine hundred ninety four years old and my mom was like you were in total. Aw like it's a two hour movie set in the a civil war era. I waited so dislike. It's yeah it's at a lot of weight with casted flawlessly. Really as well. We'll everybody was cast from a mid Somare and she just has a perfect round blonde beautiful face about Claire Claire Danes as Beth. Could it be better to who was. WHO's better than this one? Oh and we're talking about this one Sir Sharon does she know. Joe Yeah you know about but Susan's oriented as Marmee couldn't probably be either who's Marmi uh-huh from big little lies. Laura dern is large earn a fucking love Laura dern up totally made it up. I had no excuses. uh-huh Ronin Yeah Laura dern unless Shutt- Emma Watson is meg. Okay lorries chaumet. We know that Beth is Elisa scanlon. And Yeah Laura dern is Mary how terrible cast tastic. Has I know this. It's just like I. I am Florence Pugh. WHO's in everything? Isn't it Florence everything that's her. That's her emmy. Yea Yeah me and her were at a basketball oh did he is he. Not Dating Really Rose Stephanie. More I loved them together. Yeah yeah they're they're so hot. Speaking of people who are like Tim these Alman or like little androgynous Get the Harry styles for a second new music stuff. I just can't deal with his beauty and so fucking but it's not that it's his personality. Yeah like even jared wants to watch Harry's speak Yeah Jerry Jarrett's like he has a man crush he when he was on. SNL JERICK retweeted. I have like Okay Harry styles. You're good at everything you own accent. It's a hair. He's just a modern modern. Elton John in like it's such a different way was mixed. With Mick. Jagger Freddie Mercury Jagger hopefully no substance yeah I know but that's what's so nice about it doesn't seem to have any sort of thing. He's so smart. I love the way he can carry a show. You did you. You guys see him. In Kendall referring to the fact that he was able to carry like the the late late show unreal the host of it took Over for a day and taken over. He took do you remember when they did. It is all one direction. They're on there and they're like if you do you get a tattoo a two it says lately and he got lately Tattoo Long lately. So He's just I just love hearing him speedy okay. So did you see this skit with the cat. I know I know you're GONNA be doing a car or a cat. Oh Di doc stop right now go watch it on that we stop right now. Okay Okay and how I watch it okay. Well if you guys talking about. It's a good one another thing. I like to talk about. Cats cats cats has like a really bad tomato. When I heard I mean passive cats I was like Oh this is going to be amazing? I thought it was going to be another holiday genome. Roulet take Jason Derulo. Come about our park. Oh yeah she strolls coming through. I heard around the officer. People have already seen it is that you should definitely get high if you go to watch it. It's just too much. They tried to do too much much with technology and cats at the story gets lol guy and the last thing that I heard was that Taylor swift song is really good at it but I don't think it's going to get nominated for anything which it's kind of a bummer for her. I want I was WANNA see like the stage performance of cats and make up. I remember ever seen it. Have you seen it no. I Never Talk I. It's actually nineteen percent tomato meter bell. I I wish they would've just worked cost. And that's what I mean like make up and costumes not digital digital are also when I saw the trailer it was so weird and I was like. Why does this cat have Dan shoes also like like as a cartoon? Yeah I don't know why they do the most cartoons Stanley where it takes place. It's so computerized are you guys in a gutter. There's no there's no plot line. The two cats song is the song that is known for is really great song stunning. If there is a big I don't get it out of the year. I've never understood cats. Sir Why people like every rail says and I think the ultimate I don't get it a Broadway for a lot of people you know. You're like Broadway Cuiaba. I've I've never. I've never seen him in seventh grade. But I got sick really. Yeah there at the Kennedy Center. Oh Okay God. I ll always remember at Zany brainy rainy Zany Brenna educational store. But like it was like a crafty. You know what I mean. They had a lot of strong strong AMIS. He had like a lot of costumes things like that. So in one of them there was like stage makeup the stage makeup book. And there's a picture of the face of cats and how to recreate. It will using the paint that the book came with. I was horrified. I remember I also remember being a kid just seeing the commercials commercials on like whatever like obvious worded I see it. Maybe I saw. Maybe in school they played it or I don't know I saw it somewhere. Okay maybe it was in a trailer. It doesn't make sense either. Why have I seen cats but not seen cat? I'm sure on TV at some point. Yeah there you go sure there I was. I remember thinking while these cousins are crazy. Yeah Yeah Okay so moving onto another movie. That just came out God the movie we should just to be like shows until she's just entertainment today after we got a fine. I wasn't even going to talk about stars. Ars was gonNA talk about Harrison Ford so to me. Harrison Ford as make Hollywood's. I don't get it like I. Just don't get it. I was listening. Listening to podcasts. Jared together it's called The rewatch ables and in one of them. It was about pretty woman. Losing them on. And they're like Richard Gere here in pretty woman or Harrison Ford in working girl and I never seen working girl. Okay but I've seen Harrison Ford plenty of places in my life like like like my Indiana Jones. Yeah Yeah So. I don't need to like see him in that. And all the girls on the panel were saying Harrison Ford and I am so mind boggled by this hairs has never done for me. He is the most monotone voice. He looks like he just wants to get out of wherever he is. And I just don't think it's that feeling I would pick Richard Gere over here dummy dummy dummy he's still with what's her name closer flockhart. Yeah Yeah I think so how. That's a long long relationship. I know right twenty five now this woman this I feel like my mom. I'm like Harrison Ford. And maybe do you think it's maybe like an old. My generally my mom gets your Harrison. Ford either I think guys get it more than anything else. Maybe guys get him because he's like Joel. Let's say sorry we talk over. Look we talk over each other so much. It's like so funny. We're all digesting that everybody's saying but we all start. The sentence of them are just before so yeah she married Goes Avar. Here's forward in twenty ten but they have been together since two thousand and two long time. I was right as long twenty-five years. Yeah that's a good. I don't get it actually. Yeah I mean the US let me know if you guys millennials out there. You Understand Gen Z.. Yeah Gen Z.. If you hear center is let us now. What do you want for Christmas? I don't know I hate when my dad asking I. Christmas is so not magical anymore. Marlin you grow up. Because I'm like. Oh what do I want to do. I own computer. It's so fucking boring and then to the point where like my dad's a great. Well do you want to go to the mall together and get it. It's like no I want to open a present and I want the night before and some prize and I want something colorful and nothing has color in it anymore. Well you want something that you want though but you also wanted to be surprised so like really. Just tell them what you want to wrap it up. I know but that's so unmeasured. No I know but at least you're not getting junk you don't want to do with it so I think you know I've been dying for new computer shifting to come here that's bad offering. That is so lame so when I wake up Christmas morning it's like you could wear off your computer though. So that's my only now. No My dad was like you could put on your credit card and then I'll give you money. Yeah no big right then then somebody gives me money for beat by exactly. What are you guys getting Chris? We just ask for money. I got Arteaga money. Money money the money so boring. It's not boring. I could do you want with it. Lizzie and Mora career learn was Texan either to every year. And so I'm like I tell that bitch I I get every Christmas podcast on the same page when it comes to receiving gifts from our elder parents. I camman I'm not gonNA wear this fucking purple sock. You've got on clearance from target. Just save your three dollars. I don't want mom is she tells me and she's like can you. Can you figure out what Lauren wants. Don't ask her. I just figure it out. I want for me from everyone. I could screen shots from texter. Burma what do you want them. Links to turtlenecks else. This they have at least you ask them instead of being like yeah. Don't tell her swear to tell her. What is something something non basic that you guys would want for Christmas? What was annoying? I don't need anything I really. Oh boy anything. That's the thing is we don't need anything really. Nobody I the other stuff I want. I guess there's no stuff there's up. There's an image bless so weird. There's an image of Freddie Mercury on Darth vader's here's shoulders and I think that would be a dope poster to have in place. That's pretty cool. So Oh my dad won't get that for to we'll now all all get it for you. Yeah but you'd have to make it. You know what I'm saying exists in the world like it's an image in the world that you'd have to agree. That would be so cool to have well if you send me the image. I'm been done I know I know you're right and you know what's even funnier guys. Is That my dad. He when I asked my father what he wants or craisins. Tell me what. You're never responded like nothing. Nothing your presence. Your project auto real mother fucking president. Dad says US every year in my dad is so hard to shop for the giants have all the time He. The giants are horrible. Well he does not want that anymore he also like my mom just gets them. What's his clothing brand favorite with rating? So he gets like a new new like load of clothes for the year through my mom and Dad. I have nothing to give you so because my dad doesn't listen to the podcast I'll tell you what we got for him. Barn let her finish her thoughts. I want to hear your guide. We thought she said this is what my dad us every year and then you saw that that was a summarizing the yeah my dad was really weird. I got it for him like this laser stupid military weird nerdy science thing and it's not coming. Ah It's so weird. It won't come until the end game so I printed out a piece of paper on putting it in a car and I'm like this is the lamest curtis she's GonNa Open Up. Aw I've done that before. I dare lost year. 'cause we what are you gonNA. You're done okay so this is also kind of imprinted picture thing. The new thing and I was like is there like a box. I can get on Amazon to wrap up the piece of paper opening something if you get them Lauren. I do all the Christmas shopping for our parents thing right there I send them home up. So that's good when we get down. Okay so I just went over to bark bitches. I got him matching sweat. Shirts with Ethel that say I saved a human dog. Save humans or something like that. How did you get that? That is the most genius gift box. I made a donation of three hundred dollars to a dog adoption charity so on and so there I was just like you know what he loves his dog. Ah Rescue dog more than anything. And it's better. That doggies out there reminding. Thank you wrote the side on my mom's gift. I thought I was going to be able to like secure up by Christmas because I've been working on it for like a week now but I found out that I can't secure it by Christmas but I can do it by her birthday so I told her I was like You're big gift is gonNA come for your birthday thirty one days later. Okay you know no big Dale. And then she'll have things like Other things that my mom listens to this broadcast on market now never really hurt. She listen sometimes so choose. Can I tell you guys what I got. Jared tell you exactly what book I feel like. That's more exciting. So can you tell you I got my mom. My mom wants help with my mom has been. My mom is no eyebrows therefore I have no eyebrows. My mom is like dying to get micro bleeding. All that's Great Gif. It's a great gift by Ashley. I'M NOT GONNA be there with her and she was in Florida and I'm terrified that I'm GonNa pay for the fuck up of her face now. I'm so oh scare reliable place. I don't I haven't gotten it yet. I'm still I figure out from your friends. What's a reliable Orlando now your parents. Yeah Uh my parents moved wait all of the House with the move. I told you this long time ago. Okay they moved. Yeah months ago like summer like after the cruise anyways I did not know this child at home. We still have not so mytalk mytalk home because I knew that they moved housing. Bogut but they live in Orlando now anyways Q.. Magic my mom gets in my girl bleeding and that show really bad and then it's like I did that my mom. You can't go with her to the playoffs. Because it's like Christmas out here and you get it for out right here and you know. Why don't you look at all the reviews and rhythm very in depth on yelp really good gift though? Shot out to anybody in Orlando area listening to this guys know of a good place in Orlando micro plated. Yeah actually. That's Gregory Gregory Natural. Everyone's okay with jared. I also not on this. PODCAST is in case. Somebody says something on the message boards and he reads message boards all the time and all that stuff but I got him something very cool but it's also print out because it's like it's less of a it's an experience say ah that's always print out so it's an experience and He's going to like it more than anything. I could wrap up for him. I might like to like Jack. She'll tell you after and then are you yesterday. Are you taking him in the plane. That goes up no no. He doesn't want anything like that. That's it's not. He's I want so should ask for that. I gotTa Kylo Ren Mask that makes the voice turns lay dob. They have thirty five dollars on Amazon. Could be a piece of shit who knows that it's amazing song on going to place it in a box and like maybe like have a blackbox red tissue. And then he's and then I'm going to say put it on and and then when he puts it on. The paper is taped up in there with the whole gift giver. I love it. This is my favorite thing to get things for people that I know like is really going to excite them day. You know they'll like it. Yeah but then why is it so I'm the same way as you. Why is it so easy for us to give cool stuff but not for people able to get us stuff that we would have Because remember when you guys got me the Larry David stuff and I freaked out. 'cause like no one had ever really got me something that I was was like. This is something that I want my household. I don't know on everyone's like that. It's a very special guest that you have to give a gift. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah I don't have that gift. There's a gift of giving the road on a couple of other. I don't get it. I saw this thing thing. I've seen it for years now but I just put my head. You know at home alone when mcallister's go away and he spends he buys nine flights to France I tone yeah come on And the MEAM is the older. I get the more like how did he. Yeah and that house and that how did he do. Do we know what we know right outside Chicago. We're bringing that up. I don't know I don't get mcallister's nine. Oh it's an trip. Was it the whole time we had a whole family. Yeah but who is in that house there. It was the mcallister kids and there was like three or four. There was a fifteen hundred zero. Hey no that was like two cousins and the rest were all his brothers and sisters sir. He goes picking the whole family to Paris for Christmas. Oh well I mean that's something. They flew I clan. They did they dare insisted. The parents said the kids are in the back. I remember this. That's so funny okay. So since since it is the end of the year we'll do some end of the year and we're not going to have a podcast on the first of the year the first week of the year. Let's too many. Where's Lois Oh laois allowing us? She's right under. She do a mini retrospective on the year. And then I'm tired by Lauren. You had the most transformative. That's what I have learned this year. I'm exhausted ragged. Run Myself. Ragged crowned around. You look like you're tired right now. Thank you ma'am. That's so nice. Look at her circles of also Nice Ashley. People won't fill them for me for Christmas television. A big screen TV. I need them filled. They're not from okay. You don't need you definitely don't need them. Okay okay. Well then that's it so Lauren has been tired yet. She has expanded expanded her career. which we're all very proud of you? I got married and I don't think anything else changed besides that cool do you and you live with him now. Lord I mean the Dow a whole year and the whole. Oh Yeah. We'll learn down so regretting every moment of it. Laura's regarding every moment you're not lauren misses US super cute. It's East River dinner all the time. Zahn Komo for dinner. If you'd you'd like to join us for dinner tonight we're GonNa make the fresh pasta. If you'd like to join them I can I can you can. Oh that's on so good. You've a pasta maker. Now Jane policymakers must mazing thing ever. I do very huge career still have not found love in my life But I got to working twice. Yeah you met gala and hosted daily walk motherfuckers. Best Actor winner done. You've I've had the most impressive twenty year wild. Yeah I and I have a new car now so I do all my goodness some really happy but I just want to lose the fifteen pounds and get a boyfriend and dodge drive now. I've never driven a new car. Ever how nice those nice but yeah. I'm excited for twenty twenty. I like the number. I feel like it's going to believe evens. Yeah you guys. I'm very proud of now. Is like nobody has a better job and nobody. I mean but but like as far as well that'd be like truly you do get to interview like a listers on things and I mean you really have achieved ultimate goals. You know. It's funny after I did daily early pop remember. I always wanted to work for E.. You're not sure anymore. And then I think I realized I don't get fulfillment talking about celebrity gossip. Bachelor's like different because bouncers. Yeah no that's exactly how I feel. I liked bachelor different but like no. They asked me to talk. You don't think it is. I don't think it's that much different. Which is why I do it? All the time starving for for like fulfillment in that area too. Because I love doing like indepth interviews and when we do like the I don't when we do the almost most famous interviews and we sit down with somebody for like an hour and a half and they really get to know their soul that means fulfils my my career bank far more than just gossip and I do feel like easy just more of like. Oh we're talking about like hot topics but like I love how you get to sit down and really get to know their thoughts on thin. Yeah it's cool. I think I think I like I like covering movies TV and I hope to do it more in the future and I'm happy that I found this like thing that I really like. Yeah not to say. I wouldn't go on if they call not not to say that. I don't like episodes in depth. That's where when I leave feeling like I did like I work today. I worked in like I feel good about myself and heartbroken also jittery well and Lauren helped me out. We filmed meeting new cities and filmed a heart covered a heartbroken meeting. You weren't here. Oh that's all you're in Iceland. I believe Yeah it comes out tomorrow. UH-HUH UH-HUH I cried did UTAH. I did Oh yeah anyways. I think they're gonNA take it out though. Yeah I hope so it comes out tomorrow Charles. Yeah I can't believe it's been to in some years since I want to the heartbroken meeting. I like sobbed. I just wanted sex. I I know it's crazy. And tears seen it and then you guys got married. Yeah then jared went to Bergen meeting. We can share that but we just offered again but actually did tell me that. If I spent New Year's by myself this year that I would find my person and and she goes inches. It's okay I still think that you have. I really like the one. No okay. Okay guys as well episode should we should. We were up right now. You have some good. I don't get it I mean I do have to ask you guy too much for me to handle I o on past decade podcast. Yeah and I mean you probably so many memories from the decade like how much have view changed since like two hundred you guys. I what Jack has been using my computer later for like the past two years and I had him bring it back here that I could like copy and paste old diary wrote a diary on. I wrote a diary Grad School school years was like two thousand twelve through my last Andrew is two thousand fourteen and I was skimming through them and I truly wanted to kill myself. Why like I really? I really like it was so embarrassing them. Like I can't believe how much of matured over the past decade. I watch myself I. Can you read one for us. Actually there are going to die for this. This message is like twenty three twenty four when I wrote it when I wrote it and it's just like it sounds truly like a four. We always knew that about you. But I don't know if you knew that like like definitely did but every time I wrote in a diary I was like when I look back on this one. It's not gonNA be as little women Joe's thoughts. Yeah there are some entries made more sense than others but I I can't I don't know how you lived with me learn. Oh what do you mean. I was so obsessive and I was delusional to a certain degree. Also like I had enough support in the real world to to show that I wasn't delusional. Because I was reading it and I was like you're fucking crazy and then I was like. Oh Yeah but then that happened as you're you're crazy. Oh you more like you mean like evidence evidence evidence that I wasn't like you are dealt with you between the whole jared saga. This guy was star. Wars Saga of jared and Ashley Right. Yeah every episode Tube. Apparently you weren't i. Didn't I always knew you weren't no because in this diary so what I did. This is my time with big guys. Let's we'll reveal it so I basically copied and pasted my diary of big. Not because like I need to have it invest part of my life but because if I write this chick flick look that I say I'm going to write one day. I want to have like this material. So I'm copying pasting it and I totally lost my journos thought. You're coughing pacing about big. Yeah and you felt like L. so I was reading. My reaction was like my heart was like Oh you know just like I described what my body was going through like my like soul and like my chest and like all the feelings that you have when you're like literally going mad about somebody and then I like reading this. I'm like Fuck Save. You were in Sade. And then I would read because I wrote all the quotes. Let's see I would transcribe our conversations and then I would read the quotes. I'd be like. Oh they're warranted to beat US crazy crazy. I think that's very normal. Feeling even when people talk about like heartbreaking stuff and they're all over it like remember I always talk about the guy I dated and I'm like I can't believe I felt that way about yes that's similar feeling. It's not that it's just like it's love wraps you up in the moment. Sort the thing and I it blinds you away totally. Oh my God. Yeah yeah thicket just but you all have matured on top. Yeah overthinking thinking is like I could also go back to two weeks ago and I was like in a spiral of overthinking. I'm like wow. That was crazy that you thought wrong terrifying the mind. If you just let it keep going going you gotta look in the mirror and be like stop exact like that's crazy. I'm going to take a walk outside. That's not how I wrote in the diary. I go like there was it was. It was New Year's Eve was New Year's Eve turning two thousand two thousand fourteen and turn to Turkey along thirteen. I like just like did like a couple of paragraphs about how is feeling in that moment and how I was wondering wondering how I would feel just a week from then and then I read back a week from that and then I was like I feel better like thinking about what I was like last week is like not night and day but like I am. I'm really glad that I've like gone out of the dark hole that I was in just a week ago right so anyway. It's really fucking crazy and I know I'm GONNA say F F F but diaries are so Kanji Irish great to look back so cool you have them. I wish I would have written down down. I don't I don't have anything. From like jared like from jared I have like an entry from paradise and that was my last Irish. have it recorded on tone. That's L.. Silly yeah I feel like I was. This is gonNA sound really weird but I feel like I was for different people twenties. Now that I'm approaching twenty twenty gonNA turn thirty thirty. I think your twenties are the most transformative decade of life. Like it's crazy when I think of who I was when I lived Warren just going out in La partying all the time. And then I worked on bachelor and that was I wasn't even in. La and I just became a family with this group of people for a two and a half years that some I barely talk to anymore met you then became this person that stayed in all the time then like try to be host. Then that's all they cared about remember and like cried. I need to get this this and now. I'm like a well rounded like fell in love. I've gone through all these experiences and now I'm like okay. This is now's has now. It's so weird you're right. I think if I went to twenty two different people for different people to is crazy lauren. In your last year to people I've allows people to until I really started thinking about it. Yeah yeah that's pretty crazy. Two to four people mine was like my absolutely I lived in my head. Stage of Jonah's LANC young. Just like everything was is. I don't know you know xeres well time. No well. Yeah but you know we should do next year on a podcast. We should before four record. Listen and one of our old podcast and then like literally right. Yes I bet you so many of our opinions of changed about so many anything. Yes okay fun. My twenties was kind of like before heartbreak in heartbreak after that like and then like love happily ever after. Yeah Yeah I love that. That's a great twenty S. You can die tomorrow. Everybody should Ktar. Everybody should be heartbroken. I it was just thing that ever happened to me. My mom has never. I think we've talked about this on the podcast with but like my mom is literally never been heartbroken and her life. She doesn't doesn't even know how that feels. It's truly the most personal growth comes out of her bag. But don't you also morning is kind of like the same thing. It will obviously sleeping the founder of heartbroken anonymous. Yeah it's all it's all pain. It's overwhelming distress. Yeah but I'm not sure that morning is like I mean all of this is someone that's a loss you know your dog dies. It's a laws. Yeah if you lose a job. That's a loss morning as worse. Absolutely I mean it depends it is obviously. I don't know I would argue that being sad over someone that's gone it's still on earth. I was GONNA say that's why that's why I think there might be more growth from like a romantic heartbreak. Because you have to like deal with the fact that that person is in existence and we'll be in your life and then you kind of after does except the other one. I think you can accept the other one mentally. I don't know from somebody who hasn't mourned big lake. Yeah and do you have to create your own closure for almost all of them. Yeah sucks on that somber note. I'M GONNA I'm not gonNA leave on his new one I don't I don't get it. Yeah Yeah I have. Two one is pads versus tampons. I'll never understand he talks. About how long ago was that link to podcasts. So I didn't across off my list. Yeah well memory loss but my but the big one that I didn't address and as its phone keeps going off say Ari now. She's yelling it me. She yelled at you. Know she's a friend. Not My family knows in a way that I'm not gonNA like yell. You WanNa take a knife back do you. Okay okay. Now's is family. But she's friend family. She's not family So I don't get that we will never be able to listen to our own American accents from years of a foreigner. Oh that's a good guy guys. Good I don't get it. We will never or be able to hear what we sound like two other people other cultures other languages but I was talking specifically about the accent like I do we sound as actually as a British accent to British. No I think I don't know I wanNA hear. We should like put it out there. There has to be like something like entertain new guys. Think of would you is think of of the American accent if you will everyone listening in international. Yeah tell us what like. What are the adjectives is it? Is it fine fine. Is it pleasant. Way More tolerable to listen to as a foreigner than a normal American person listening. You know what I mean. Yeah to have an accent you know because like at least with Birdie Bull. It's like they like Kinda say. There were the emphasized some certain things we have some. We have some letters there you know but also there isn't one American accent America. America's like yeah that's true southern earn Baston or the California like Val. I would argue that. We are somewhat valley girl sounding. Well you we yes and I also had an. I don't get it on language. Which was oh you know what I don't get how come I think when we watch movies from back in the Fifties Day spoke so frontier frank? That did that evolve like no. We speak so ugly. Now tell me darling. Everything does has a British hint to it was I. Don't tell no Barbara Walters. I'm like Barbara Walters your voices like not American. So how did we go. Did our parents our grandparents talk like that when they were back in the fifties or did they just was. Is that the way they talked on in movies movies like soap. Yeah Funny Ashley and announcers like tonight you on the show and like I need to know the answer to this. Like did our parents talk like this. When they were with their families in the sixties? I don't you gotta ask your parents mind. Spoke Spanish so will you ask them for me. But I think that they're going to be like you're talking about an who sounded a little more slaying and then there and then ever pick that up and then there was even cooler a person that up and insurance And now our way that's a good point. I bet you when Elvis was elvis people really. Oh I won't talk like him much closer now. Yeah exactly is what about like the fact that the the women just always sounded so light and fluffy and like everything was just like this. I'm so happy I don't talk thank God like Katherine Hepburn. Yeah Oh and then Katherine Hepburn was cool and then we started talking and three of us have voices. On that no the very happy Hanukkah kwanzaa happy new year. We also thank you for listening to is we're mustangs for you. I know thankful was last month but I truly thankful goes everyday through sixty five love you very much bye.

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We PREDICT the OSCARS' Biggest Winners and Losers! - Movie Podcast

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We PREDICT the OSCARS' Biggest Winners and Losers! - Movie Podcast

"Well guys it's that time of year where we say goodbye to the film's twenty nineteen and hello to what's to come in twenty twenty. We'll be talking through the latest looks. We're getting at this year's biggest films and making our Oscar predictions in a fun house film House awards showdown Oscar Spectacular Awards for the Arts and Sciences. I've got a very special surprise so make sure to stick around because you won't want to miss it. I'm joined here by my guess. Adam Kovic I saw the most. I'm your host this week James alums and And I want to quickly shout out our sponsor manscaping get twenty percent off a. and free shipping with the Code Film House Twenty at Manscaping Dot Com. So what do you mean by saying hello to what's to come in twenty twenty we just. It's reasonably the Super Bowl. Just happened. Pat Diana's guys The Super Bowl just happened and with the super Welcomes not really so much football but lots of talk about halftime shows and and you and trailers for movies that are coming out in the not so distant future because this is like the last huge marketing push you can five million dollars per thirty seconds believe it I mean I can. Oh I can mother of God there has to be some a better way to reach people. Anyway we're doing a podcast on it so I guess yeah that's worth their five million I wonder how they count this in their. PNL's PNL'S I am they don't have that new Billion dollars if it failed So I went through and I gathered the all the trailers for the movies that I could find that air during the super bowl super bowl and again these are more like some of them are longer But most of them are like thirty second spots. I did leave out. Sonic because it wasn't even really a trailer for. I don't know if you guys saw it but it wasn't even really a trailer for the movie. It was a bunch of athletes tricking. You into thinking that they were talking about like Kobe Bryant and then it was like actually sonic explicitly explicitly but it was like it made it sound like they were talking about this lead. Who so amazing and so great and just so memorable and inspire China turns out? It's sonic normally has bad the timing more when you hit that button jobs at least what you're saying no it's the moments past. Okay no no. It's totally it's totally past. Stay tuned to the uh-huh well the first thing that came up was Milan That is sorry which channel Jimmy Wong's in Milan Mary weeknights. He's a friend of mine. Yeah by proxy. Because he's friends with Freddie. I'm sorry friends I would say. Yeah Jimmy as an excitement for me that Freddie lax how they related brother brothers never did you guys. Did you guys get a chance to check out any of these trailers. No I am boycotting China these because they have not returned any Amazon patching. It'd make him sick living giving me. I beat SARS swine flu and and now you want to give me a corona dairy. The first thing I noticed about this trailer is no mention of Corona virus interesting Which I thought was bold a bold? Take the next thing it about the trailer with the super wide screen aspect ratio in which it was being displayed. You WanNa see at all Not a lot of new information from this Shoo no mu. No sign new. No sign of that puzzle. They have to solve CL- climbing the poll with the weights. And do the thing you tie them off on. The other side goes through which is very hard So it does sell itself very much as like an historical action fantasy epic. Pick the best of the live action. We talked about this before but I think we know so little about are we. We have so little care for the original Milan. I love it no the issue I love anyone remember I like it. I think Milan's really good but it looks like they've changed this one the most. So that's why it's like okay. Cool it looks like it has more of a serious co action movie but Matt Damon's Miss. It looks like they said well. What if we made new lawn as an epic Chinese fantasy you know like and so it does feel a little different so much actress? She's she's a new character so much. Yeah I feel like there's some history there I think that maybe that's our sister just saying the trailer may may have hit that or they're related in some way I'll see yeah it's Disney The interesting thing about this. You know this movie comes out in March Ray. James Yes March twenty seven. There are a lot of movies that got their theatrical releases cancelled in China because of the Corona Virus I guess because it's like well people aren't going to Congress in public places right so it's like a movie the second release there so I mean I know what you're saying what. This was a ploy by Disney current virus to bring the people back to the theaters. No no no. They're trying to get them center for Disney plus so they give everyone sick. Stay home and watch Mulan leading the TRAMP and all the other wonderful offerings like bring a boy and his rollerblade. That's exactly Lee at you. Cracked the case your regular info. You are the hero of China. Me and Dennis Rodman wait. That's North Korea. Well I haven't uh haven't heard anything yet about Disney canceling any screenings of this. Because they want a billion the first live action Disney movie. I go to a theater to see. Are we not seeing any of them. Oh I saw him. Yes Oh yeah. I guess I did Emily for work But that's the only one. Well this is the only one one since a while where it seems like they're doing a new take on as opposed to just making it again so when you make it again only worse. I'm going to be less interested interested. Think Mulanje kind of came out in that post Golden Age. It was still really good but it came out in that post Golden Age Disney animation. Era Okay so can I change the tone a little bit real quick. I want to just get a little serious okay. What do you have a bigger impacts the Beijing beef at Panda Express during the Olympics in two thousand sixteen or the Shenzhen Sauce? That McDonald's had that we only found out about later. Because of Rick. And morty I'm going to say neither the answers Beijing beef something about something about getting like anything other than a burger from a fast-food place. Any any beef other than a burger from fast food would places like ooh right but like panda. It's like you like chicken or doughnuts wine on both well. That's actually a great segue because the next trailer we've you've got black widow me figure that one out. This is a relatively short. One is a thirty second spot for scarlet big year for scarlet bigger year for Francis. Pu You know China close to Winnie the Pooh Ooh full zingers today. WHO's the other one pretty mean? It's Rachel Weiss. Scarlett Johansson Francis Poo. Do and boy women with similar bone structure. Disney you've done it again while they may all be from the same. Remember that ballet school that took Goya's ovaries and then turned her into a spy Jar Sweden's J. O.. Fantasy or whatever Russian so there they do have that kind of Slavic facial structure Russians Russians though. I mean it's they're all Russian saying they're all American. It's a melting pot over there literally melting may belting wax hovering covering the land and I liked that we see a little bit more taskmaster. Pretty bad ass captain America thing he needs he fought captain America at some point. I'm not starter. I'm going to say this too much of this movie. Visually seems tactic cool. There's no distinction. Like part of the best thing about for me about avengers was the fact it was like Captain America was blue. Ironman was read Like this other character was you know. Black is other character was yellow like it was all this stuff so when you see them together it felt like something all of them are like a Rob Lee Feld in the modern age covered in patches with parachutes straps. Even they're not parachutes on and on their back kind of thing. Okay we'll take you to see gi. Joe I just wish that we could go for something. I hope that when the movie actually comes out it's it does have a visual identity to it because right now it doesn't like taskmaster is just a guy in a ski mask for now. Where's when he falls into a VAT of yellow pain we've been so spoiled by the The guardians the galaxies with Oregon rocks. The what do they call it. The the era of one division. Talk about that because I'm with you. We've been spoiled by that T- The they call it tier of the Marvel Universe. The Cosmic Universe trapper keeper. Yeah yes that. It's hard to sort of go back to this radio realism supposed to be a spy movie. No one has superpowers in this other. Other than maybe tests master scheme pull the pitcher of taskmaster Comic version just so at least has some reference. Please of how cool he could. Look Yeah you you have. You seen them prepared to be run away now. I don't imagine imagine the coolest do earth the skull face skelter. He's got a skull mask and then and then he's got a hood. Click that really colorful like this is cool. That's okay what he looks like that by the end though we're okay I don't care. I know I'm tired of movies going and at the end then he looks the way you want them to Harrelson. In the whig in frame one he was filming the table out and shakes microphone. Well that's I'm sorry but I just get very impassioned like I think that's like I don't know get you a cool concept. This is a cool taskmaster. Look okay like it pulls it in this to me is not cool. That's okay. We were very lucky. He's got. We're looking at a still from from one the earlier trailer. That's an air soft player and then the one you're looking at looks more like a transformer. Looks like some dude who has access to some really killer gear so are they they they upgraded the the design since thoroughly trailers. One out. This is what he looked like and what we just watch even notice them but the thing his whole thing is he so unnoticeable missile he well he yeah. His thing is basically he fights or scan someone just wants and then he can learn to fight the way they do. Except for deadpool. Orson though nights can the thing is he can do it if he wanted to unite. He chooses not to to because he'd be too crazy. He get himself killed if he even thought of trying to do that. As Moon Knight but Munai fights the way moonlight fights. It's and he's okay. Well because moonlights crazy. You'd be crazy to do that. I don't I can't wait for that show so I don't know I'm I'm sure I'm sure that black widow is going to be good. I'm sure it's going to be entertaining and fun I hope it isn't like a low tier Civil war or or you know Winter soldier like I hope we don't look I hope we look at this and we go. This is this is an even better extension of that vibe. That Marvel Marvel spy action. That you got From those movies not one that seems subpar that they just felt bad that they were killing off black widow. Oh Hey I'm just happy. She finally got a movie. Took fifteen years so the character death yeah and putting a younger woman opposite opposite her in it. Hey We want you to meet your new friend who interesting. You're getting a lot of buzz. I've noticed. Oh Yeah I saw bitch they get alarmed. We're positive on in the trailer. He has a shield even if it's like such a dull. He Co variation there was bug men to look stupid but at least stood out amongst the background. It's very this he looks like Chris Taskmasters there's a crisis suit. Looks like Captain Asthma. It is it's weird because like even if you do that whole like aesthetic color wheel thing You know like blue. And Orange are opposites fits right right hot and cold kind of thing and it looks like they were like we'll keep half of that right then you're not on the color on the Davinci resolve deck like D- Saturate more. Don't please color greedy. Yeah we'll see we'll see how plays out Up Next I just WANNA talk not too long again very short trailer for Spongebob Bunge Bob. I'm not a spongebob guy. Missed it same. It's I was renting stimpy so I was part of the rent degeneration. Spongebob came out and it was like all right instead of going. Full crazy for the kids. We're going to have our animators. Only go half crazy half weird half crazy and so. That's where spongebob landed that being said the animation. This is fantastic to Klaus ask. What a beautiful beautiful look like? I might see see this just because I want to look at it. It is spectacular looking. That's a good man. Snoop Dogg Senate to and can't spoiler but is this the the thing that everyone's upset about because the creator. Dieting said. I never want spongebob to live on. Pass me I think so or something so like basically Nicholson's like we'll never do anything over your dead body a bit funhouse threaten me with the play by. Give me the little one not the big one. Because I want my servants to have among the pyramid now Yeah I didn't know because I'm with you James where like I was a little too old for spongebob. So it is sort of like a generational thing I remember. Remember being like talking to a group of kids being like do you. What do you want to John? What are you watching these days? You Watch invaders Emmerson. I think no too scary. What Spongebob fucking children? Yeah I it was not on the spongebob train. Another record I was talking to a helper a second and third grade class. Your answer has been questioned good. The comments can rest case closed. Your honor was one guy. Does Adam still alive. I do think James I might see this. It's purely based on the beautiful animation. It looks really good. It's just three D. though right or is it. This is computer animated but in a very in order reminds me of it reminds me of the peanuts the movie. Oh I remember that might be the only one who saw probably why you know I saw it but I think you like I did like oh But it is like it's garbage beautiful like when you think about translating something into the the style Mike is opposed. I was just going full. It's all from the same perspectives as the comic strip and the cartoons but it is three D. and so it's like has a very unique style link's awakening sorta thing like A fresh new perspective on a garbage Sunday comic book then. And why do we still care about it in this year. Just go to Knott's Berry farm if you love it so much God let it die slice of life okay. It's not supposed to tell big stories uh-huh peanuts is about bring back Marmaduke and Beetle Bailey. And the rest gave us the ziggy movie Kathy. I I used to watch a cadillac. I used to watch it. God I remember going through ninety nine percent of the calm Sunday comedies. Going no bad you know who would be the first first ago in the quiet place universe. Kathy maybe he doesn't shut my he'll bro- broken. There's a quiet place to Trailer this movie comes out March Twentieth. Soon this coming out very very soon We've talked kind of talked about this before on the show and I don't think any of US watch the first movie and more we want. We want more the fun idea. I thought it was a really well made fun movie. The viewing experience was one of the worst of my whole life because the movie is almost entirely silent so so you can hear all of the bastards who are sitting around you not even just talking i. I had to tell the people next to me to not talk and they looked at me like I was stupid and I was like. You're the only people talking about him in a movie. That's about not talking I. It was opposite camp stupid for us. Because I'm usually usually movies are just a dude is doing a an instagram story. Throughout every moment of the movie and forever forever and this one as soon as the movie started dead quiet or like like wow people were on the edge of their seat actually shut up. It was like a shitty. AMC theaters sound was bad and people are like perked up and just like I think even one time someone like I was like Oh awesome. Thank you this. Movie is unrealistic for me. Because there's no way that emily blunt could be keeping her hair color that blonde and those highlights highlights like how how she's not emily blunt. She's playing the character wife. Don't remember always do the thing where I was like. Well let's see. If there is an apocalyptic type situation and it all became days gone survival of the fittest kind of thing. What would I really have to worry about? I don't have diabetes Eighties Mike. I don't need the the only thing is I'd have to make sure. I had a Satchel full of context context contact lenses like just things like that because if I lost us that then I you know I mean you. Wear those like those visors the football players where he's a permanent glasses on your helmet or something like that. You'll you'd have to get that manufacturer to something but either way that would be my greatest weakness. It wouldn't be finding food or water. It would be make sure I could see the food or water so you wouldn't go to a lake lazic place and try to give yourself Lazic Lazic like he has on the laser. You would like read the like you. How electronic come with like the quick setup and eh you would read the quick steps the only time for the annual and you would read that the quiet are on their way and they're like lasers amid a certain frequencies a certain certain hung in there like direct tasting the laser? And then you get some of the alien is and you can see the same way. Charlie Day saw Pacific. I hate this movie that we're concocting anyway. I was just GonNa say maybe Emily blunts character. That's her priority is wearing my. That's a that's a different sponsor. So yeah this movie's coming soon. It looks like we're going to get a look at acquirers well it looks like we. We got jamming Hans. Who in their right and it looks like? We're going to get a look at what happened before the fall. Because anytime a compelling post-apocalyptic movie well show me what happened before fear the walking dead. I will say no. They minded joke. I WANNA hear. Here's everything we Mike. My question is I I I WanNa see the movie about the guy who sees the apocalypse and he starts jumping up and down like finally started. Get the people and it's okay. I get to be weird. One German Cannibal fell into the lucky say of his leg. Just the guy who's like just one. I just want to invite someone in and get crazy. You know Robbins or the world exactly. I WanNa see that that guy story like what was his life so mundane he hates it. He sees quiet place monsters dropping out of the guiding as yes. I'm going to survive and be weird. I was going to disagree disagree with James that I do like when when a movie or book tells you and shows you the the especially when it gets on a jeep geopolitical level. Where it's like this is what happens when everything fell apart? That's what I love about world. War Z want. To start in the book went to starts telling you like. Here's how it all Kinda started to crumble. Do Place in need that no now. I don't think it did okay if you've done it in the first movie if it was going so yeah that's I should've clarified. That's what I meant like once. You already have a satisfying movie. That ignores all that and focuses. This is on a small thing. Then they make the new on their well. Let's let's show you that time. He ran away. Prove me wrong quietly as to prove yeah I mean I'm not dismissing this movie. I don't think it was needed needed. I will say that being said the closest thing I can think of is twenty eight weeks later it was actually a good twenty twenty twenty eight days later is like a pretty a pretty classic Zombie Horror Movie And then twenty eight weeks later I would say the second half of that movie is is. We're is a little too actiony but that for opening scene is fantastic. I think most of the movies pretty good like it shouldn't have worked as a sequel. This milwaukee an ongoing didn't hate it. Yeah pretty and it's got a pretty bad ass ending here like the helicopter. Thing is a little much but other than that no I. I like the what's his name. Hawkeye's in it. When he's when he's he's pushing the car? Oh Yeah ours pretty bad. It's not a cool. There's a lot of bad ass moments in it. It does go. Oh like pretty off the handle when you think about how. Small and contained twenty eight days later is you were talking about top gun maverick. Well we are now lease. Topgun on maverick had a little spot. There doesn't really show anything. It seems it this it would appear. This movie is about nothing other than Tom. Cruise going and flying fast like jets which this movie is like the equivalent of what we've been saying about funhouse Hawaiian style. Okay like like hey you pay pay to send us to Hawaii. We'll come back with something we will. I mean we'll come back with something but I mean let's face it. This is just so that way we can all go hang out in Hawaii. Wii this appears to be that Tom Cruise the actor with a death. Wish say Tom Cruise Line that jet. It looks like somebody farted into his mouth stuck in his health does he's trying to get away from it the whole time i. I think it's a buzz I've been going to my favorite Topgun Hopkin website daily to get the INFO. Oh yeah no Kenny blogging. Oh okay down for. It's called what it's cold. You like Maverick. I took a bet and I said no. Don't bring the woman back. She's old. Now gimme someone half my age No sign of ICEMAN. Shout out to maverick for not changing his helmet. I think thirty years Mercedes in it. Yeah I think he is but they're not showing them. I think Kenny loggins also did say that. We haven't contacted him. The songs already made. He made it thirty five years ago. It's highway to the danger zone. We added we cleaned it up in addition or something. And we're done. Yeah but it does seem like like Tom Cruise he takes. He's like one for me one for you. Except all of them are for him I'm excited I'm going to be weird though. Because because he is sort of this weird you know he's aging pretty damn good for what a fifty five year old. Whatever he's almost sixty but it's going GONNA be him into they're going to do like the review? Reuniting sort of thing like gesture comes out and goose and all the POWs and then I spend comes out of his games coming out in this. They bring up the casket. Ask US man. You got a new. Throw Meg Ryan's in it. Who Yeah Oh oh? She was wife of a What was the other one the Charlie Sheen knockoff? hotshots almost better for top gun. They definitely didn't ask Kelly mcgillis. Gillis come back. She said she was too old right. They said we would have called you but we assume you can't pay the bills so but I mean we're GonNa see I have a feeling that they'll they'll be like gestures dead man died in action like the what about Merlin dead to Mike. What about that rising sun or whatever that guy's name was that was mildly offensive also volleyball Jabber walkie that one? Yeah it's GonNa Crash Nitro in lace on Bubba. Well we also have another very intense movie coming. No time to die to me. This is James. Bond is like never the pure excuse for action. It's like the movie that's franchise that's an action movie. That still feels like it has to come up with a plot to get us to the action. I appreciate that about it Again very short trailer. More like teaser. Just showing us a few things but we do know that. WHO's in the back of the plane? That Mavericks Flying Tena Craig so Craig Topgun Situation Napa. Let's call double seven. Shouldn't it be called the last time to die in time today. Did I know but this is the last time he's GonNa die. He's not going to die. What if he dies? They don't kill them off because it doesn't matter because they just passed the mantle to someone else doesn't it. Yeah but at the very end rhyming. Malik sitting at a cafe in France and he looks over and he nods. That's that's all. I needed to go real quick. We're shot and there's no one there he's he's not an Air France Hotel Paris Texas. Oh I can't wait for this. I didn't WanNa see this because I'm already sold the trailer. Yeah just because of Mike. Okay I'm into it. I almost didn't either but then I was like thirty seconds. Yeah you're right. It is mostly mostly reused. But I wasn't. It's crazy. It's crazy how they've transitioned this like like. I said what I liked about the Craig era is that it's transitioned most of them. Go from being like Oh like an action movie to being a parody of itself by the end of it the Daniel Craig Franchise maybe maybe the only run of this that hasn't become a parody of itself like it'll and also it moves a plot forward so you know you think about ray finds as now new 'em Judi dench's where we started you. Have you have been wishaw is the new Q.. Like you have a lot of like transition. They've have added a whole bunch of new agents. Moneypenny is started as just some Rando and now is like field agent who works with the relic outstayed made his lingering. Love interest is one thing. I knew I wasn't going to help. Plot was weird. We're sick killed my father's I I'm GonNa what a bang you. Yeah and she goes cool. Well wins that she has more secrets to because it looks like it looks like in the other trailer that they're like broken up. Oh Oh yes yeah. I remember that so he goes. I don't I don't know what to do after I I stick it in you like do we talk or do you want to see a movie. So so then they also had a spa. This isn't necessarily movies but marvel studios released. Its Disney plus super spot. Which shows Falcon Winter Soldier Wanda. John Division This the first time anyone's been excited about more from Wanda envision yes. I was excited before when they said that the the vision family comics with sort of the source. Because I like those comics and has a stylistic choice which I appreciate stylistic choice being. Please don't cancel. You've seen the man Laurean. We have more Yeah I know they did a good job. They re this for years. I really like it. All kind of started Garza Galaxy where it's like okay. I mean Disney didn't do It's all Kevin Feige in the Marvel Marvel team when they made iron man like worth worth his own like basically a household name and then they do the guards galaxies. Like all right they can. They're gonNA make it work with anyone. They're they're actually making people excited to see Falcon and winter soldier a a show together. Yeah the the thing that stood out for me most the whole trailer Other than Wanda in her cheesy x-men scarlet witch Crown Was this shot where it looks like captain. America's at some sort of avengers captain America's celebration Except it's clearly clearly not It's clearly like bucky. You know I know who it is. You know who that is I saw. I saw the leaked photos of who the actor Joe L.. Say his father's name rhymes with Her Cross Oh okay. Don't know who you're talking about So so but yeah. So it's like you know obviously there's GonNa be some politicking over who's going to assume the mantle right Steve Rogers Captain America. Eric decide captain. America was property of the US government because he was pumped full of all those steroids. Any sign of the military and basically signed his life over. Yeah I'll take it more suited for one vision though. I don't know if I'm excited I'm excited for looking like it's crazy But I also want it to be entertaining like like for me if it gets into some sort of a sort of the the dark aspect of the vision family comics Then then I will I think be more into it just doing schtick the whole roll. No I think I think it's obviously to me. I'm hoping it's going to get as crazy Z.. But it's GonNa be like a Don't hug me. I'm scared. Sort of where PSYCHEDELIC trippy brain. Like fuck right. Well it gets you in with this sort. Would've I look how wholesome ingredients but it's breaking down because it's in her brain trying to deal with this thing that she could never get division family comex where they're like. We're we get envision perfect nuclear family but then like everything starts cracking and it's great and that's what they've done a really good job of not adapting things one for one. They've pulled the best parts of it. And then it's also leading into Doctor Strange in the you know multiversity madness which was going to be a part of so it's like okay. Cool this this is this is actually a really interesting cool lead up to a another thing. That's also going to be tricky and weird so Disney plus also is experimenting with the kinds of content that they can get away with that imagineering documentary and then also sparky shorts contents content. Maybe we can just get something up here so like characters picture streams forty four forty right It's working. That's his brother or sister. I don't this isn't her girlfriend But yeah so it's like you know. I hope that it is a coherent thing. And they're not just like we're just basically doing like thirty minute. Vignettes of what if's Wanda stuff. They're doing the what if series but it seems like with all this also lucky that it's they're trying to find trying to do what they said they were going to do with agents of shield and this other stuff like it's all connected except like no no one's talking to us on the decides. Okay well screw it. We control the platform. We control the content. We throw the now now they can actually write it on a whiteboard and say we can actually execute on this stuff and that the show will actually influence the movies and vice versa. That's that's sort of means all becoming unusual anyway so it doesn't really matter like a twenty four episode TV season either. No it's just like little little bit little mini series. Yes which which now it just seems. It's so labor is to do and to watch Labor's laborious both or except they do. Okay good I actually don't even know. I just WANNA sound cool at dinner parties Well this wasn't on my list but it's under recommended videos so I'm going to go ahead and play minions the rise of grew trailer. Came out yesterday We'll give it one watch and then move on with their lives three minutes. I'm going to keep hitting the fast forward so it looks like a millions crews got hair you guys as the kid. Now don't forget. The millions movie grew appeared at the Villains Festival in the background and then he's yelling at them they're smashing stuff and that's that awesome. Sonic Super Bowl. TV Spot Adam. You mentioned it earlier but Sam Raimi's in talks for doctor strange to which we're GONNA touch on briefly after this word from landscaped support for this episode of Film House is brought to you by Manscaping who is the best in men's below the belt grooming manscaping offers precision engineered tools for you. Were family jewels. All right guys listen up. Valentine's Day is just around the corner in you. 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That's twenty percents off with free shipping at MANSCAPING DOT COM and Use Code Film House Twenty. Stay sexy this Valentine's Day in manscaping and we're back thank you man scape for your sponsorship ship I just want to talk about one last little story here. Sam Raimi may be returning to marvel to direct doctor doctor. Strange in the multi-diverse Scott Erickson was the director of the first movie was supposed to come back for the second movie but decided to not do that. Didn't want it did want. And he's eighty. You want no part of it except for being an EP Yeah it'll take the money. Yeah what do you got Dirksen do before he was like a horror film right I think. So yeah the story. I heard he he wanted to do more of a Hor- thing with the next Dr Shrinkage ceremony. That wouldn't let them do what they wanted to. which is weird because then they will they ramey? He's also a horror director but he does it mean very similar done from the same cloth like horror director Superhero movies. Some sometimes people wanna find drama in this and other times. It's just listen. I had a vacation schedule. The Lakers like sometimes is really simple explanations. But how do you guys the about same Ramey. We don't have to dwell on it but I just thought it was an interesting piece of news. I'm very interested. Yeah the the the Ramey meam Community entity is ablaze. Can't wait yes. Do you remember Spiderman. Two they mentioned doctor strange. Wow Wow guys is a look at it go. It's all it's all coming back. How many Finally he's getting tie all tie off. Well here's the thing. It's the multi verse of Madness. Sam Raimi Directing. Are we gonNA see toby. Maguire spider man in that day when he showed up on set and he rattles the cage and goes get out toby potential naked in Hungary The series are pointing that that doctor strange is going to be the turning point for the next M. C.. You course thing. Because it's going to just say and now all is fair game x-men everything Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. Everything that you've seen before that we own now is all cannon but but it's also not Canon we can do whatever you want to. Alfred Molina returns as doc ock woman who played his wife returns this her. I don't you're gonNA say Freda here. We are yeah. No that's it would be curious more than anything. I WanNa Spiderman multi-diverse movie now after Into I know yeah well I thought it was kind of cool kind of interesting thing out of all the movies that are coming up in this list. This is one of the few view that I was like. ooh This basically thore love and thunder and then this and I didn't really liked the first doctor strange all that much. I thought it was a cookie cutter. Marvel movie and I thought his personality was a little too much like Tony Stark He's like I'm a cool surgeon. I drive around mountains fast for no reason. My hands like Google visuals And I was like I was like I wish we had a different take on it but doctor strange as a character really grew on me the other films and I really enjoyed him and so when they he said. Oh we're going to go. His sequel is GonNa just unlock all this potential and then it doesn't have to be standard marvel story. It can be the Ragnarok of doctor strange films then I said cool. Yeah well he's how do you feel about this. Wasn't he. Like the best hand surgeon in the world could need to start doing normal surgeries on people. Again it doesn't seem like the best you you have the best surgeon then. He shattered his hands. Now because of magic can you just help. People on a one to one level is more important I think now his hands create a circles with rooms upon them and then he can call a long. You see a bunch of people from all over the planet it trained at this monastery. None of them could learn how to do it. Well until the white guy showed up and he did it in like a week and when he he showed up they said no and he said yes and they said fine and more does like Desta Wi fi password. Same Professional uh-huh he's in the skilled director. He's got speed own. It's GONNA be Great. Would you say is one of the best of the best. Yeah he's a great director. Well well if we really want to find out one of the best the best time for minions it's time for the fun house annual trying I annual. We do it three times Award Show Oscar Film House awards showdown Oscar Spectacular Awards. George show this is an award show for an award show where we are GonNa talk through some of the categories for the Oscars because the Oscars this weekend. Or if you're watching this any other day then right away they already happened By we are going to make our predictions for some of the bigger categories. Who we think's going to win? It's okay if we haven't seen the film just make a guess. That's what the academy does Educated guess is what we're going to be encouraging so So yeah let's you guys. It gave you guys your sheets there. Let's kick things off. This is very exciting. Let's start out with the least important aspect a films in the year. Two Thousand Nineteen the writing is the bottom bottom right there where you were just gonna go ahead and combine both of these real quick adapted screenplay and original screenplay hooker. So just to just to for you guys to listen. We're going to sound off the nominees. We can give a little bit of a discussion in an ultimately decide and then surprise surprise. I have the winners. Oh I got a new guy. gave me the this is. She didn't have to say WHOA. Thank goodness quietly gone. I have the winners right here in this envelope. Okay so we can see if our predictions are correct and then you at home can impress all your friends by what saying well because they do they do stuff stuff you know how they do the stuff right anyway. This is on a hollow chip that a a sentient eight after the world has been bombed out. Yes that's a great premise. For a movie but not as good as these original screenplays knives out marriage story nineteen seventeen once upon a time in Hollywood and parasite Also adapted screenplays. We'll go ahead and do at the same time. The Irishman Joe. Joe Rabbit Joker little women. The two popes oops joker I was like I mean I guess the character and they went. Oh right it's based on The King of comedy That Hollywood boom boomed yeah. Yeah so what do you guys think. Where are you guys dropping on? These two categories Because I think I know where I'm leaning that screenplay for me is going to be little women Eh Okay original screenplay for me. It's GonNa be parasite I'm going with the two popes for which one Eric Story of okay. is two popes. Also the new pope. No that's different we too. We change my answer. Well there's young pope pope pope then. There's two popes young pope pope same. Caribou pope's new popes different. This isn't the same pope cinematic universe they do. They're in the pope who POKU. I'll change my answer to. What did you I said little women. Because that's does that adapted from Nazis. Yeah it's adopted from its adapted from a book or is joker circles adapted from Com. I've always joker Gioja rather listen James. I'M GONNA go Joe Joe Rabbit and and original screenplay I'm going to say knives out just because it it didn't really get a ton of recognition anywhere so that'll be my wishful one. I I would also accept parasite though or once upon time in groups wins so all right this is this is the this is the document Judas the one they have both adapted and original in herself sealed. You can see it sealed care. It was was it is swag. This is James Now opening the envelope. Ladies and gentlemen and the winner is you sit down. Oh my gosh adapted cats write in vote. cavs wins and this and original goes to you transformers the last night. Okay all right two years ago. How shocking wow? Oh my Gosh axiomatic or a shot of Mark Wahlberg in the audience. We go now original song all right all right guys. I for nominees are. I can't let you throw yourself away with Randy. Newman or yawning again. It's kind of one story for. I'm GonNa love me again for rocket man. Elton John I'm standing with you Breakthrough into the unknown frozen to as performed by Dell and then stand up from the film. Harriet Aw I heard three seconds of on the radio. I'm going to go stand up. Harriet can't think Harry it's GONNA as it's only two nominations somewhere in this whole thing this whole thing. So that's that's how you should vote. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa love me again. Racket man okay. I'm going with the Can't let you throw yourself voice. Okay her through all right here here we go. You already started opening. You know this is a new one. Oh okay you can see okay. That's the Song Gay. Though axe narratives popped open and the award goes to S- Kimball shanks railway. Cat write in vote House that Songo. S- Kimble Kimble. No I kept playing that one over and over so actually no it is a cat is. The cat. Didn't win. Didn't win and actually maybe it's because it's split the vote all right. Let's move on into a best actor in a supporting role. Oh man not editing not editing. No we'll go there but I feel like editing innings more important that we started with the least important part of a movie and now we're moving up to the most important part of movie so we went from writing to the song. This whole paper is like a or your fantasy football league draft paper. It's circles in random places no intention actor in supporting role. Tom Hanks a beautiful day in the neighborhood. Anthony Hopkins options from two popes Al Pacino. The Irishman Joe Patchy competing against Al Pacino. The Irishman Brad Pitt. Once upon a time in Hollywood they WANNA go to pitchy Joe pecci okay is. This is a tough one because people get good acting. Mix Up with charisma they say who did. I like more I I hated Anthony Hopkins in the two. Popes really did such a good job case like sometimes in Meryl Streep we've actually like. Oh Yeah Ooh I hate you just surprised. Gop She's nominated Janas back. I thought he was goodness. I think there's just like please never leave as again. I actually thought they got this right. Because I thought Robert Deniro the three of them was the least compelling nominated Christopher plummer from knives out of course. Yeah but he's not so I'm I'm so you're so at least at least you went Joe Pepsi Adam you're going Anthony Hopkins Anthony Hopkins just to mix it up. I'm going to say Brad Pitt. Okay because I love seeing them be cool pretty STOIC. Seem be cool. Let's check what the envelope says. I've got another right here. Could it be sealed signed signed sealed delivered and rip that get these great seats at the Oscars all right. Oh my gosh. Another write in vote Idris Elba Affirma- cavity cats okay. I'd say the name of the movie because some people might be confused with no And he's GonNa what's that it says. They're going to accept the award in his CATT. Form orm best actress in supporting role. Kathy Bates Richard Jewel. Laura dern for marriage story Scarlett Johansson for Joe Joe Rabbit Florence Punahou for for little women or Margot Robbie bombshell thoughts. Here guys I mean women should go first. She gets gets a Lotta from her association to Woody Allen and appropriating and appropriating different cultural roles. But what I'M GONNA GO Laura dern okay although herself I'm going with Florence Poo from little women scholar. Johannesen doesn't get you comfortable on. Starts watching her back okay. All Right I'm GONNA go Scarlett Johansson for Joe Joe Rabbit. I thought she was really good in that. That was my actual vote. But I just wanted to make the turn. Well I'm being serious okay. So let's see who won. Oh my Gosh Kathy Bates one. Oh but for misery serie. So that's weird that that happened and it had a second place. It says Scarlett Johansson but for Ghost in the shell. Oh so she convinced me that she was an Asian woman who died and chose to become a white woman. This is like when You Know Martin Scorsese one for departed. It was actually for taxi driver. So that's crazy though you know that's the academy that's how they work Let's keep going Let's jump to costume design. Yeah the Irishman Gioja Rabbit Joker little women once once upon a time in Hollywood. I'll just start this off. I'M GONNA go Joe Joe Rabbit because the costumes. Such an important costuming is such an important part of that film. The execution of that film Because if they if they weren't dressed as Nazis how would I know which ones were the bad ones so I'm GonNa go with Once upon a time in Hollywood okay I was just say I was the television show. Yeah okay I thought I liked the way. Brad Pitt Ah to wear his own clothes. Nice that was cool. He brought his own son and they said taking off no you. Don't you see how scary is no hot fifty year old. Louise always little women. I really believe they were full-size. They had to scale down. All the sets scale up all the sets the the larger than life women littler. Let's see you what it goes to its. It goes to Cats because for what about the cockroaches they also got the accepting accepting this award on so the cats is behalf are the cockroach women okay. Let's move on to Cinematography and other very technical award. The nominees are the Irishman Joker. The lighthouse nineteen seventeen once upon a time in Hollywood I'm GonNa go the lighthouse Because that's cool. How the shot for by three in black and white in today's climate? Are you worried that that it makes the perception that the movie was easier because they dealt with two hundred dollars that makes it harder no black and white. And then there's lighter black and lighter no uh-huh that's hard you ever go on instagram. You take a picture and the swiping through the filters and then you see one that's black and white and like this looks better because it's easier. Yeah so he's making my balls better so all right so You're voting for the lighthouse. Yes right okay. I'M GONNA go the Irishman. 'cause I was impressed by the way the DP made Robert Opportunity Robert Deniro. full-size great great. Wisit Robert Deniro. Yes it was. I'm going to go one thousand nine hundred seventeen because how did they. How did they get that camera on the truck? Also that far back in time when only Peter Jackson was filming it it should have been black and white but they made it color and I respect that right and then why did that kid. From game of thrones look fat. He had a lot a lot of things on He's wearing a lot of close that film and the winner. The winner is Right there on the page. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah why are you looking off to the right. The winner is why were you looking at how to train your dragging which one the second one cool that one. That's a shocker. You're okay let's go to animated feature film how to Train Your Dragon the third one. I lost my body. Klaus Missing Link Toy Toy story for. I lost my body. I haven't seen it yet but I think it's got potential potential missing link. Everyone said it was good. I and it's it's a shame that no one shame on all of you for not seeing it I'm going to have to go how to train your dragon the hidden world only because it has an Oscar winning reputation for having one for cinematography anti-graffiti in this previous iteration of the franchise. WHO's The guy in that movie is named doesn't sound Real Jaber? She thought it was Jay Burchell. Yes next is it not. Are you sure it's not pronounced Punahou and J barge Gel moral all right All right the winner is open and every time that means trailer that we saw earlier risa grew are gonNA jokingly call it the rise of grew it is called. The rise of grew isn't on it. I duNno I duNno okay. Let's go update our film editing. We're almost there guys are almost to the end film. Editing Ford versus Ferrari They call it in Italy. The Irishman Joe Rabbit Joker parasite. This is my favorite category. Because no one knows it. Editing is right. I like like the editing and parasite I thought it was well done because it crafts a very interesting story With its editing dynamics. Okay Great Nice well this for versus furry all wheel close up me too. I was going to say the same thing. There's never to wheel close ups in a row. It always goes bill close up driver. We'll close up. That's that's the sign of good editing. Doing so I'm also going to go forward versus Ferrari on that one to done it. Ford versus Ferrari. Oh one that's cool. Best editing reading and it says for you know two wheel close ups in a row now how they do it they I mean they edited it. Okay so so that one was right is that we have one point. So do we all right. Let's do all the best actor best actress at the same time. Okay all right Best Actor Antonio Banderas Painting Gain Caprio once upon a time in Hollywood Adam driver for Star Our wars Joaquin Phoenix Walking Phoenix for that movie. Where Casey Affleck assaulted women. Okay Jonathan Rice for two popes. Oh and then win- best actress cine IRV IRV. Oh for Harriet. Scarlett Johansson Ferguson. Shell Sir Sharon for little women and for the gray Shirley's their own for the one with Seth Rogan and Renee Zellweger for Cold Mountain. Would you who is your vote so we have to give them at the same time. Well you just give me both your answers and we don't have to. Discussions is just actors pretending. I loved Adam driver and Renee Zellweger performances. norgay Adam driver Rene though I I didn't say which movies but I loved it Great Okay Hollywood Darlings Symphony or Yvo Jonathan Pryce Okay Great. Everyone's lips all right. I'M GONNA have to say Searcher Ronin but again for the for the one where she's in the snow right. What was that one called killer in the snow Hanna? Hanna Yeah for hand the TV show Amazon. And then and I'm GONNA go Adam driver for star wars is my favorite all right. Let's see who wins it. So good best actor her on probably walking Phoenix because he pulled his face apart and on the best actress Scarlett Johansson. Wow but again for ghost in the shell carry a little late but there is so and it also says it's okay. She can play whatever she wants. Okay which is a weird thing for the academy to sleep when when she's accepting the word can be the part where she's ripping her body apart pulling the spider tanks headed out like she pulls the brain out that they'll show okay but it's from the anime. Yeah Okay but they'll show that All right we're going to. So here's the thing. Best Directing and best picture two different categories. That barely makes any sense. Most of these these cases because And a lot of times the director on these films there's also the producer which makes it even make even less sense like the director was mean so the nominees are Ford versus Ferrari the Irishman Joe. Joe Rabbit Joker little women marriage story nineteen seventeen once response time in Hollywood and parasite got to give it to the Irishman. He got all thirteen back together. The longest of the movies so theoretically you've got the the most movie the most the most best and then best pitcher Same One Irishman Irishman. Okay all right. That's how you have to do it. He did the most directing. Yep We know that put in most hours release directing giving it to I I wish man good superior and then he got those guys up before eight and said it seven. I was just impressed. He'd new to start filming. When Robert Deniro was in his late twenties? KNEW HE GONNA make the movie and he worked on it. Yeah because obviously because he looked young suck boys always life all right so picture boyhood picture elise giving it to Paris say parasite for best picture. I'm all I'm going to go. Best Directing once upon a time in Hollywood best picture parasite. Let's see the winner. Green Book Greenberg wanted two years in a row to get rigged rigged. Naby the movie down Naby the movie also one so yeah. That's pretty exciting. Thanks thanks to Fred Red. For these months ago I said Boo the academy because they would never nominated moves like parasite for best feature And it is they prove you wrong. You prove let me wrong. They saw our episode and said despite nomination. Yeah so you know. Don't let it go to your head. Bong Bong Chew on what Tong Jun Ho. Jun Ho. Give him this wrap it up anyway. That's our show. Hope you guys enjoyed it Make your bets. Let's remember rewind it. Watch it again and against that we can make sure you get all the nominees. Impress your friends this year at the Oscars and Thank you to manscaping for your sponsorship. It's our ship for this episode. Guys any closing thoughts on how to pronounce Francis Pugh. Who's last name Adam? I think we're just RADHA crossroads. Few view we'll never know thanks. Thanks for watching. No it's Po- WHO's.

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Has '1917' Already Locked Up Best Picture? And Is That Bad for the Academy Awards? | The Oscars Show

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Has '1917' Already Locked Up Best Picture? And Is That Bad for the Academy Awards? | The Oscars Show

"Welcome to the big picture brought to you by. At and T.. Reminding you that when it comes to wireless networks just okay is not okay I'm Sean Fantasy. This is the big picture conversation show about what has become an absurdly predictable. Oscar season. Amanda were here at the Sundance Film Festival. We're joined by our PAL Chris Ryan. Hi Chris Thank everybody city on Reddit. Everybody on twitter. Who's been demanding that I returned to the big picture after my terrible unfair banning following the Roger Deacons podcast? It is with great regret that I have allowed Chris to return to this show against my better judgment. I I was telling Amanda I had the over under my return to this show at Easter much. Like Christ I would return to this pod Chris I think if you like the podcast Shembe you know. Sometimes you just can't see out of your glasses and what you need is a soft rag to clean it up and you are the soft rag of the big picture so I appreciate you coming back here. Later in the show we're going to talk about Some of the important movies released this weekend and maybe we'll talk a little bit about some of the movies at the Sundance Finance Film Festival. But first we need to go through the pictures signature problem in the big picture. Do you know what I mean. And of course we're talking about the Oscar race and the awards happened this weekend and dumb. I'm feeling a bit disillusioned about the Oscars guys because Sam add Sam Mendis one and that's boring Amanda were you surprised at all by the results of that win. I was just slightly because I think again. We had all convinced ourselves. That Bongino on June. Oh really had a chance at the. Dj's which he might have you might have been the second place both vote-getter but we really thought there was momentum basically because there was one cool. We'll party the sunset tower that Sean and I both really wanted to have been at. We were like oh great now. Talk to WHO's going to win the highest turning alas that was not the case but I think so so that is surprising in the sense of we let our feelings and hopes and expectations and party aspirations. Get in the way but in reality no. It's not that surprising. Yeah I'm fifteen of the last sixteen winners of Dj for feature film have gone onto investor actor. So this is a pretty. You're feeling or being locked down yet. Well well the one exception that happened in the history of the. Dj's is when Ben Affleck for Argo and then very oddly he was not even nominated for an Oscar. That's in twenty twelve. So so this is you know we talk about super-duper Laki locks on the show but at this point of salmon is doesn't win will be stunning. I think yes the question is are we a double block for nine hundred seventeen for best picture and statement is for best director. Was the last time that happen. Picture director it's happened to out of the last six times. Okay and for the last six minutes split. So Damian. Chazelle won for best director but moonlight onto in best picture. Things like that happen. Frequently Afonso quarrel and one for gravity but did not win for best picture so it happens the split is common. It's just I don't feel like any of the other eight nominees feel like they have enough. Momentum commend him to break the the nineteen seventeen wave obviously it just won the PGA to like PGA DJ Globes. There are just. There's too much math at this point. And it's really got me Kinda Crestfallen. I don't WanNa be melodramatic on a podcast about the be meaningless Oscars. But I'm pretty bummed. I am as well. It's it's boring in two ways. It's boring in the sense of it's January twenty sixth or twenty seventh and we think we know exactly what's going to happen in every one of the major categories Oscars with A. That's just boring at some point. It's just a professional the problem we gotta make a podcast and we're sitting here to Silken and you know God bless you for listening to US Salkin. Thank you for sharing in our Sata motions but there is. It's it's not fun and exciting. There's no anticipation or or mystery. The other is just the nineteen is such a classic best picture. Oscar thing thing and I am on record on this podcast somehow being like I didn't mind nine. Hundred Seventeen is very effective. Yes Amanda Reply Guy Dobbins bit it again. It's the thing of the the actual great feld never wins best picture. And it's always something kind of predictable that feels influenced by certain older more traditional additional members of the academy. And it's it's not fun in a story level either Chris. You don't pay as close attention to the stuff as we do on a regular basis so but I was wondering if you guys could tell me if you feel like there's a little bit of an issue here with the bumped update of the Oscars like there's not enough runway for any of these other movies to tell a story. Perhaps nineteen seventeen was released at the exact right time at the exact right moment. The exact rate cut a pitch. And everybody's like yes. I do not have to rewatch the Irishman Richmond. Is You the best movie. I do think that that's exactly what happened. I think it frequently we talked on the show about movies getting released. In December being a hindrance to its awards campaign I think because of the he incredibly multifarious nature of the the the nominees this year. The fact that it's Kinda seemed like there were three to four frontrunners at any given time a movie like this coming late. Actually benefited in a big way. Because no no there's still no real kind of like negative pitch on the movie. I guess the biggest criticism the move getting and I should say I think all three of us really liked the movie. It's it it. This isn't really like a value judgement on nineteen seventeen but the biggest criticism is just this sort of the video game esque quality storytelling. I think but otherwise this were not not in the hatchet job days of the late nineties and early two thousands where you'd drum up these incredible negative campaigns against movies. Most movies have not come up against it. But we've lived. Lived with all these movies for a long time in nineteen seventeen still feels fresh to people and I think the freshness of the film making style is what winning people over. Someone mentioned something. I can't recall who said it but the DJ win in particular is notable because that prize doesn't just go to Sam and it goes to the first unit directors the second unit directors all of the people who work on the crew of that film in that capacity and all those people vote sure and so all of those people sort of below the line folks who work on a film want to reward and achievement. Like this movie. So I think that that's also a significant factor if the movie had been released on November twelfth. Maybe it would not be getting here with such such stride yet. But I don't know this is the great divide we have to negotiate with the Oscars every year is that the Oscars. We want them to be a a mile marker for cinematic achievement and movies that we're going to remember for very long time. And sometimes they just reward the things that people who worked on movies are really into and this was an achievement movie. It's an inspiring movie. It it blows people away. It's a movie to see in theaters. You know and and against a lot of different movies that you know for his great marriage story isn't for great as Irishman. Is You know you see see people come out of it and they have sort of diffused takes on it. It's like they come out and they're like maybe it was very thoughtful. Made me think a lot about this stuff nineteen seventeen. There's actually not a lot of thinking that goes into. That is the feeling movie. It's a real like I am being might my feelings of my my heart or being completely played by the director and the cinematographer in the editor. So that movie actually historically doesn't always win you know I mentioned gravity before I think if you think about Avatar Avatar was that movie which was just an amazing achievement at the time he kinda make fun of Avatar so now but when Avatar came out it was it was a very big deal to people who make movies. That people couldn't understand how Jim Cameron did that. Didn't best picture her locker one hurt. The parasite is kind of the hurt locker of two thousand twenty except that her lockers movie in one thousand seventeen is also a war movie and I really do think it's Saturday. It's a it's a combination of what Chris. It's three things it's timing. I think best picture is always a case of timing and somebody just finds the right spot in their particular year and it changes from year to year and UN. Think also. Chris's point it just. It is a technical achievement in every single person from across level. Or who understands what's going on behind the camera in that movie Israeli responding to it and then it does also hit the the kind of serious NASCAR center of of a war movie. So let me ask you this. We have two full weeks until the ceremony. What are we supposed to talk about? What is even the nature because we talked about this shortened season? I can't even imagine if if the awards were on February twenty third and we still had this sort of fade accomplish feeling about nineteen seventeen. What would we what is is that? What is the story line? What is the narrative? I mean it's up to us. I guess to invented in some ways but I don't I don't I kind of don't know what to say about these awards right now because everything feels so locked in I do you wonder if it were February. Twenty third whether all of and thus the guilds and everything was a bit more spaced out whether there is a little bit more room to move. And you do see parasite when I mean you. You did see parasite winning at the SAG words but you see something other than people just kind of scrambling for nineteen seventeen. Because it's right there. I so I think in some ways the fact that we don't have anything to talk about is the result of the compressed season it just kind of everyone's like well we ran out of time. This is the one next year. It's not even a frustration. One of a binary this year although I will say yeah obviously people are going to be disappointed. That para say probably won't win although it was such a long shot. I think it's fair to say this is just such a rich move. Revere it's not like nineteen seventeen is going to be four versus Ferrari. It's going to be Irishman. It's going to beat once upon a time in in Hollywood is going to be these. Are All movies that I think we'll be watching for years to come. It's hard to imagine. Be linked to fire up nineteen seventeen in five years. Maybe but right. Now it's hard in a weird way. Nineteen seventeen for all to chievements. I also think is The candidate with the lease with the least amount of negatives like I haven't really read very I. I gotta be honest. I didn't even think my case against eighteen. Seventeen particularly compelling it sounded more like whining and most of the pieces. I've read that have taken issue with. The movie are kind of like. I just didn't like this. You Know I. It's not really like nobody has been able to unwind that movie or really poke a hole in it in a way where I was like. I hate this now. Thank you for articulating. What it was it was bothering about it? That's happened in years before where I've been like that's why I I don't like la La land. Yeah you know what I mean. But that didn't happen this year. Nineteen seventeen. I think you're exactly right. I think they're actually hasn't been a compelling case for it not. It's just that we've seen something like it win so many times that were almost conditioned especially when we're making a show like this to seek something new and also to convince ourselves that because the academy has this kind of awful history of rewarding not the best movie as a Mendez saying that at some point because of all of these efforts that they've made in the last five years to change things and all these efforts in the last ten years to expand the best S. picture pool to all the things that they've done to change things they're still just kind of doing Oscar e things and we saw that this year with the sorts of people that were nominated for best director the lack of people of Color being nominated for acting prizes like it just kind of feels like everything that happened in the last five years just Kinda got reset for some reason and maybe that's just the function of where the industry is and what particular movies. We got this year but I I don't know I find myself in a kind of intellectual quicksand with this so I can't. I can't figure out why this won't change. Well it changes slowly which I think we talked about with. I think it'll take decades engage rather than years for them to fix the female directors problem were the actors of color problem or in and those are just two of many because you ad number slowly and they have added a lot of members and they have taken a lot of efforts but it's still a tremendous voting body with a large history. Who's going to to outweigh the brand new people people you know everyone has a vote but I think also the reason we're upset is because we actually do get invested in this and somehow we believe that maybe one year they will pick the best picture and they did with moonlight? And I think that gave us a lot of hope which maybe we've invested in and also what is the point of talking about all this if we're just going to accept the fact that they're doing the same stuff. I think the thing that annoys me a little bit more than even nine hundred seventeen and I don't mean this to come off the way it's it's going to sound is Stuff like Renee Zellweger for Judy. where it's like that just seems to exist in an aquarium that is only being viewed by awards voters orders and I? I would at least like the movies that we talk that they get talked about for awards to feel like they are somewhat part of like the real world conversation of people saying like I saw this. I I saw this movie eat. Maybe it was on Netflix. But I saw it. I'm not really I haven't seen Judy. I'm not trying to knock the performance which is by all accounts really great. I just mean like that to me is like old school Hollywood like how did that even happen happening right. You mean like. Where's Brie Larson for her work in endgame? That's what you want to know. Captain Marvel and I'd appreciate it if you'd stop worrying that performance. I'm sorry I'm not trying to erase it she. She captured the nineties. In a way that has to your point about Judy and roller conversation. I did get a text from one of my closest friends this weekend whose parents see a lot. The movies and parents are older and the her dad's favorite movie of the year. was I believe the Irishman but anyway mom's favorite movie origine and she wanted you know and and the Dad's complain about once upon a time in Hollywood was that it's cinema not movies and I like movies and I it was like wow. That's a tremendous encapsulation of how other people think about movies so we just have remember. We're not the only people I've never heard that uses a pejorative word of. I've heard the opposite. I've heard it's a movie. It's not cinema felt that it was self aware if Crotchety yes. Yeah Yeah I don't know. Where are these people? What state do they live in Thailand cargo area the answer? I'm racing from my past return. I live in Los Angeles now. So yeah well. There are some other awards over the weekend. Obviously there are other awards at the. Dj's standing outside the ARC arc. Light being like Jessica only the Long Island New York well. The good thing that's happening here is when the parasite went happens. We'll get to be exultant. There will actually be eruption and I didn't didn't. I don't have that power if I did. I would use it much more frequently on this podcast and elsewhere for example. I would've deleted Chris from existing. Says I don't I guess so. Oh yes I not really not in the sense of. I'm wearing the same clothes for week. Grayer you know. I will when watching sports. If I'm sitting at one place and things go well then all all kinds of areas I do believe in that. Yeah there's no such thing as Jinx's okay. At the Alma Hurrell won for outstanding feature which ages a new word that the Oscars needs to add immediately and for documentaries Steven Wagner and Julia wrecker one from Ercan factory which you know. That certainly feels like we're that award is going to so even even now. Some of the secondary categories so very predictable. Right is the what is the the one category. It's either up in the air or you feel like is vulnerable for upset. Well well it's a good question there. The USC scripture awards also happened over the weekend. That's a screenwriting awards that are given out by an interesting array of people. It's something like fifty people. Some some screenwriter's some academics Some men and women of letters are involved in giving out the awards they give you Greta Gerwig for little women and it. It seems like Greta Gerwig is going to win. Best adapted screenplay that is just like please don't jinx situation. I'm very angry at you right now. Possible it's possible. It's possible anything's possible. We haven't I could win best adapted screenplay not even nominated. Don't count me out. You don't think that you could but I don't think you could. I mean maybe in the future a lot of ghost rating on Captain Marvel from me. I'm ready to come forward so if not Greta than many people seem to think. Many people are saying that's td for his work on. Joe Joe Rabbit is is in the running. The one award that I don't have a feel for his original screenplay. Wait said Tarantino's not lock for once upon a time for screenplay. I don't think he's a lock I think he's a favorite But I don't think he's a lock and now with the idea that he's not GonNa win best director and once upon a time in Hollywood is maybe running in fourth place like I don't even know where it is in the hierarchy which I I genuinely find shocking. I the fact that it turned out this way. I really thought that it would be coronation time. Two months ago for him they did to. They did a lot of work on them. July fire something which was extremely wrong of me. I'm wrong but I'm also should win. Yeah Yeah Yeah I mean it it. It checks a lot of the theoretical boxes but it also has been around for a long time in that. May maybe working against it. Nevertheless I don't know I mean Noah Baumbach could win Dongjin-ho could win. Yeah you you also have to wonder if best picture and best director are both trending nineteen seventeen than are they gonNA use. Obviously parasite will win in foreign film but will they use the screenplay spot. It's it's hard to say that to me. He is the hardest one to predict believe at the moment. Because we know foreign films going to parasite I seems likely that it that documentaries going to American factory I I mean you know everything else is sort of the much more technical awards that top eight is really what we talk about on this show all the time and I don't know this feels unusual. I know the acting awards are always very predictable. Ebel but if you guys had to guess what your one surprise would be what would you guess. Oh I mean I I. It's hard to even imagine walking or not winning Yep Katie I I feel like I. It would be shocking. If walking fixed and win I agree. I don't I don't see that happening. I don't see that there are some people who think that there's an outside chance. That driver conjures the power. But if he feels much more like Chino in the seventies right now where it's like they're GonNa wait twenty easy actress. Nominations Sir Sharon for little women. Charlie's Darren for bombshell Shell. Cynthia Repo for Harriet. And what's the fifth. Wow this is so rude to whoever is story. Yeah so what about Scarlett Johansson Awesome for and Games at not. Yeah she is also actually nominated for Dodo Rabbit. She is already dominated friend game now. No neither is I grew nominated about baby. Did they had to baby group on route in. He's in the Arbor Union right right but we haven't heard about that yet so we haven't really gotten into the union who grew up against like obviously like with group. No next week is the abuse. That's the last year versus the tree tree of life the ants from Lord of the Rings. So they're in there to those guys are phenomenal. There are a lot. There are a lot of there's been some good performances over the years. Okay name three mark. I just named renamed three just now off the top of our heads that tree and forest. Gump that forced Jenny hang from that was was a really good tree. That tree that Kevin Costner dies on a perfect world. He leans up against it and then of course the tree of life. which is the creative? Life did already say that. What else come on? Come up with a tree doctor. Strange move any trees around like we'd know. Does he do anything anything. Sikander anything. No I don't think so. You can't think you're just staring at me because you're just like I know that he went out on this plank this now. He can't think of any more trees. Is that what you're doing. There were some other awards this weekend. The AFC awards for cinematographers. Over the weekend of course Roger Deacons the subject of a previous pod that this trio recorded was awarded that prize. He also is almost certain to win. Best him it's Haggerty yet another award. That feels very locked up right now. I really thought the short season was going to mean more unpredictable choices. But but unfortunately that's not the case you'd think also can ask when we're inside baseball question sure but we are only in the dugout. We aren't playing the game. Are People pressed for time watching their screeners owners. Like it's like I feel like I've anecdotally heard a couple of people say like. Oh yeah you know. It's like doing due diligence to watch all this stuff that I'm I'm supposed to be possibly voting for but with a shortened season like the people maybe not even seeing his but stuff. Yes I yes yes I mean. I don't believe that people see everything that they're supposed to see a normal year with the two extra weeks but I think certainly very rushed and people I think that is somehow how you get to consensus faster because people are like oh well. I hear that it's going to be you know Renee Zellweger so I should watch duty. But maybe maybe I won't watch anything outright. That is definitely thing that happens for sure that kind of consensus building. That happens early on takes place but that runs counter to the nineteen seventeen percents. We're having that's why it's such a confusing using state of predictability for me because he can't draw lessons out of it exactly. There's no real takeaways here. It's more just like if you have the right movie at the right time. You're likely to win unless you run a damn good campaign that starts in August August. Yeah which is what she did. I would love to rearrange the the calendar a little bit and see what would happen if for versus Ferrari thousand seventeen and swap places like eight. And what would happen. If in nineteen seventeen comes out in the fall people really into it but then it kind of fades a little bit and then maybe four versus for Arias. The Christmas Dad movie that everybody goes to as a family during the holidays and gets a little bit more momentum. I don't think that that movie probably ever was in real contention given the quality of the year but I I would love to have played a couple of what if's out with us. Well it's ironic that move has been dismissed as kind of Old World Dad. Kind of movie that the academy is quote unquote moving on from only for nineteen seventeen to really slide into place. Yeah I mean it's functionally. They're doing the same movies. Yes exactly like World War One I want to talk about one more awards that happened over the weekend. But I don't want you guys to talk about it at also. Please allow me to monologue briefly about the anti awards which took place over the weekend. These are of course the animation awards I mention how predictable all this stuff is right now the Oscars because apparently the enemy best animation feature is not predictable because movie called clause won for best animated feature. At the Annie's. I know neither of you have seen it. I don't want to hear your commentary. I saw the title carnall net flex about Santa Claus or something with close. It's about legal documents. It's like several clauses in the salt. No it's not it's about Santa Claus What is Santa Claus? Get up to in Class I. I'm just I'm not going to recap clause here on this show interest. I know there's no chance to work. Close Yeah Yeah Yeah. He shot the whole thing. Well he he drew all of it. It is hand-drawn which is notable. Not that you guys care the Indie film category at the lost. My Body want which was also nominated for best animated feature so no consensus here and did not win. which is what I thought? Previously it was GONNA win. Best animated the feature at the Oscars. Td Looking blankly. which is what I wanted out of the segment? Thank you very much to both of you guys. Should we go to stock up stock down. It goes bust if you can make ten to one twenty to one return and it's already slowly going bust so let's talk quickly about the box office huge. Damn hit like a mega hit. In fact bad boys are back. They are the bacchus they've been in a long time and I'm trying to figure out why and I can't totally figure out even no I liked the movie and we talked about last week It's very fun and very effective. It's not significantly different from a lot of other franchises like this that they've tried to bring back now in a lot of the recaps of the box office this week. People of noted that Terminator men in black also Wilson Vehicle and Charlie's angels did not work. I still have not seen the Charlie's angels the movie so I can't testify as to why that's the case. The terminator movie is okay. It's not bad. It's definitely not as good as bad boys for life. But it's not bad men. In black international a apocalyptic is not good but still like this is just wh- retread territory. So why did this work others. I do. You have a theory. There is one thing that's different. which is bad boys for life is about Will Smith and Martin Lawrence and their chemistry and it's about people as much as it is about like the actual franchise. Ip He is in a way those humans right so and that's rare. You don't get that many things it's like. Oh I love seeing that guy and I still have a connection that guy and I would like to go see 'em so is there another franchise out there in the world like that that you'd want to revive. That is more focused on the people and not on because there's no mythology behind Mike lowry. We're not we don't need to dig into the similarly in of Mike lowry. Well there is now but that's true that's GonNa Create Point. There's a witch in this movie right. Yeah I haven't Ziarat. Yes by Kate del Castillo. Do you know what she's most famous for She was she's the Sean Penn woman. She's the woman who Sean Penn El Chapo apoe. They broke bread. Yes she led. Sean Penn to El Chapo. Yes which is one of the best things that's happened. The Senator Guy was absolutely incredible. It was great when Sean leaned over to me during bad boys as for life was like. That's the woman who jerk. Sean Penn to El Chapo. She is El Chapo fixer. Truly was I mean. She's obviously an actress in her own. Right who has done a great many anything. But that's who will always be except now. She's she's La Brouhaha labrum and turns strong performance in the movie. Nineteen seventeen obviously doing well at the box office. Do Little surprisingly did not die this weekend. It actually did okay. Kids love it like you suggest that I suppose just people have to take their kids to see animals animals talking. That's my understanding parenthood in a nutshell. Well that's that's troubling troubling for all the parents around the world. The reason that Chris is here in the room is because because of the next film. Oh I thought I was here to talk to you about the downy appearance on Rogan. Will you can speak on that for this very highly of do little on that that I watched that appearance I they do little. Ip or of this film of Stephen Geoghegan and his work in Syria on Syria. And that's that's what drew him to the to the doolittle story yeah. Reportedly Stephen Geoghegan had some troubles rebels. On on the set of doolittle city. Yes that's what I heard. It couldn't work with penguins. It was the problem I think. He struggled with the concept of humans interacting with digital animation. He wrote the screenplay. Ah Yes he did okay. Nevertheless making movie like this is hard. You guys may mock me for my interest in animation. But it's not easy. I don't think we're mocking the effort. That goes into animation Asian were mocking. The idea that it's meaningful is movies. That are about real people. Sometimes you do market. I mean it's all in the game. Yeah Chris you're here to talk about the gentleman I sure am when saw this last week by myself. I'll also say I've been thinking about having a segment about this movie and trying to figure out what's the right way to couch this segment. Because if I'm being honest the movie is very regressive Kinda Racist and pretty stupid however I really really liked it and I don't really know how to reconcile that but I was hoping that we could talk about it because this is of course Guy Ritchie's new movie V.. After being in the in the Ip Gulag for the last five years making King Arthur movie and then the Aladdin Film and Sherlock and before and Sherlock Holmes films for years before this is the return to the kind of lock stock and two smoking barrels snatch we original rock and roll of the British gangster movies that he made his name on that. I really like and also not stupid. But also think are wonderfully stylish and entertaining and weird and they're the kind of smart dumb movies that I really wish there actually were more of uh-huh what did you guys think of the gentlemen because looking at me I you know I really really enjoyed myself during this movie. It's strange how unlike Guy Ritchie movie. It is and it's filmmaking. It's essentially like almost like a stage. Play there's lots of long to person dialogue scenes where that are very dense dense. Like I can tell that I've become way too dependent on subtitles on all all of my television and Netflix. Viewing because what he's saying By it features some of the wildest performances from famous people that I've seen in a really long time most notably Hugh Grant And is about a lot of stuff that I'm very interested in like British tabloid journalism and the International Drug Trade and Michelle Dockery Being a cockney gangster moll who also has her own encarta detailing shop for women women yet. It's a car distinction. That must be a booming business. Yeah I thought it was like really entertaining. I thought that it just really lacked a lot of the filmmaking panache that you would expect Guy Ritchie to bring to something like that felt like a little tired in that sense like it was like. Where's like you're slowing down the film and then like throwing the camera on the other side of the room and then going back in time and we did some of that stuff but most of it was in the screenplay what did you what did you think I would say that? I spent at thirty five percent of this movie imagining you. Chris Ryan doing the voice of the various characters in well con- Farrell Hugh you grant. Can you do Charlie. I have a real well Charlie Hunnam. I would like to know what Charlie Hunnam was kind of aiming for their cause. Is He Irish. No okay no I think he was. I think he was going for. This isn't country specific but its performance Pacific. I think he was going for like a Robert Duvall ask I am even keeled. Sure throughout your puts on the voice of British rule boys at the Council of State when he shooting Tuesday off. Yes that's I guess. That's a spoiler or of some kind of enjoyed that. Yeah to say and I am a great fan of Charlie Hunnam and I relate to his character from triple frontier. The most of any character I was his character's name. I don't remember but he chucks lawn. Yeah well also hotline person who choke someone out in public because they wouldn't move their shopping. PTSD's this deeds relating to him because you also have PTSD or just. Because I show people out at supermarkets specifically public's can get quite fraud if you're from the south I feel that he's always doing weird. Voice Work Eight. And he kind of always thinks he's in a Shakespearean play and I think it's something about his actual the projection of his voice. That it's always really booming and Kinda controlled in a strange way in movies. I felt that in law city also so I don't don't really think yes. He often has the textual choices. The guy playing a guy playing another guy out to quote Robert Daddy from Tropic Thunder. He's like I'm a British man who's pretending pretending to be American who's playing a role of British man. Yes but it's gone. It's like paying at a satellite on the other side of the world and then come back all that being said. I thought he was quite good in this movie the indefinitely this movie needed someone like him because everyone else is like. I'm working at scale so I'm GONNA do whatever I want. That's that's exactly where I wanted to go with this conversation. So there's an enormous amount the famous people in this movie Matthew mcconaughey you already mentioned you gotTa Hey thinks he is in a Lincoln commercial this entire movie just sits there drinking scotch going the king of the jungle lion unless unless he's also the movie also features Henry Golding crazy rich. Asians yes now star I. I suppose they'll perhaps not after this movie unless Christmas. Maybe things are not going as well for Henry Golding as vice made a lot of money and it. Okay yeah okay. So I think he's still hanging on. So then he's doing we find an and frankly might like my absolute favorite Colin Farrell thing in a long time so good who I guess plays how. How can we describe as an Irish boxing coach? Who has a gym somewhere somewhere in In London who I thought although I could be ensured some eagle-eyed listener will appoint me out that. I'm wrong I thought he was wearing during a red bull. Salzburg tracksuit the entire movie. But it could be like a kappa. Like just usual. British street wear brand but is dressed like a guy wears British street where from nineteen eighty eight. Yes and Has An incredible scene in a chippy. Where he beats up for guys Using vinegar mostly It's just like an incredible performance from him. But in the way that McConnell as run DMC in this movie head to Toe Tartan Plaid Jumpsuit. It's a it's a very strange strange. And and frankly I think he's pulling off I think he looks actually weirdly. Good hats not so much started. GIGGLING does now. Because I was imagining Chris in the outfit which that was my expert Komo glad right now. it's a very strange character. He's the kind of guy who think was is in the Mafia at some point or was just an enforcer at some point but and has been wrong really really all about clean living now. But I don't really know yeah. And then there's as you grant yes so he plays the aforementioned tabloid journalist. Amanda you're a Hugh Grant allergist am how do you feel about him inserting himself into this rough and tumble world. I I. It's great for him. I think it's what he wants. He Hugh Grant is famously Ill at ease with his romantic comedy. History he I I believe it basically started he was friends with Richard Curtis Who wrote for weddings and a funeral and And they wrote the first Hugh Grant Rom Com character as a as a joke. Okay because you grant is not like that and wrong in real life. And then he's been typecast as their ROM com lead for twenty years and would really rather just be an actor and be saying wild stuff in a Guy Ritchie movie and I thought the voice was a choice but I was pleased that he seemed to be having so much fun. And and you know good for him. The the combination of his and Jeremy Strong's fluid sexuality was a lot this movie. It was real choice on on the part of all the people here. What did it ignites something in? You know I was just like I feel like I'm watching like a Bruckheimer Simpson movie from the Nineteen Ninety four as did the lot of Miramax Sinek in this movie. Yeah Yeah it was like did this movie. Like just get shelved and then like they didn't take a look at it until it came out like was shot in two thousand and five and then it just uh well I think it was independently financed in twenty eighteen. Okay in part by Miramax which is not the Miramax that we know of old obviously has changed hands a few times now and S. T. X.. Bought it last year for kind of for a song I think for like seven million dollars. Okay this is a movie with Matthew mcconaughey and Colin Farrell and Hugh Grant and Charlie Hunnam and Henry Golding and Michelle dockery like six really famous people and also six people in the UK who are very famous for seven million bucks which means they made it pretty cheaply which might be why. It's doesn't have quite the whizbang. Expect like lock stock was made for a ton of money. No it's true it's true but maybe I don't know maybe Guys just luxuriating at this stage of his career. Last time I spoke to him on this show He seemed to be essentially one of his characters actors like he seemed to have evolved. I think he was wearing a tweed suit. It had been tailored just so. He's a muscular gentleman. Sort of sort of like compact powerful and having a conversation with him as kind of like having a conversation with one of McConnell Hayes like right hand man okay So maybe he was was just making a documentary about his car. Detailing good for him It's a very weird movie. It feels like a very not twenty twenty movie out. That was the one thing that really sticks out. Let me about it. Did this movie make any money this weekend. It made eleven million dollars which is okay shouts. SDS It's probably not what you want with this kind of star power. It's also ah hard movie to recommend. I Don I imagine. They have like huge expectations for movie. Like this in this day and age because it's pretty unabashedly like groff you know it's not like Ocean's eleven where it's like. Oh these guys are being super charming and they're like swearing and Cockney for two hours your business opens also with the character getting his head blown off while enjoying a pint and blood splashing splashing into beer which I saw as the really like low rent version of the PEPCO business going into the whiskey and first reformed that was the starter order kit version of of that. Then you think Guy Ritchie has seen first reformed probably too yeah. I wish we're talking about first reform this year and it's a real ashamed or not though I mean that didn't that didn't have agreement so we would still be disappointed. How many Amandas did you give that out of? Five Gentlemen Gentlemen Wow Invented a rating. 'cause sometimes a man does like she's a little opaque you and I need to know. Just hard facts. I think it's probably like a three out of five five. I think I had sean together and that was fun and I had a nice time. I like all of those people. I thought that when it was funny it was funny and when it was racist store politically incorrect. It was self aware and I agree with you. I wasn't like a memorable piece of filmmaking but sometimes you just want to go to the movies reason have fun with famous. People struck me as the kind of movie. That isn't actually racist misogynist or any of these things but is also very romantic about a time when movies could be yet and that seemed to be what he was trying to catch it. Is the movie version of the community. You can't say this anymore but Blah Blah Blah like the acknowledging the. I'm not I don't WanNa get canceled or everyone gets cancelled now. But I'm just putting it into movie right but not even in like an intellectually curious. Dave Chapelle way where he's like. Let me see if I can really get under the skin of everybody in the way that they feel about this. It was just like I'm just GonNa say you're not supposed to say who's better when we were able to make movies right after pulp fiction and that was it exactly did have that feel any any lingering thoughts no I mean. We'll be talking about this for twelve months to come. Do you think they can do. I actually can't do cockney. Thanks for asking so I. My Dad did an amazing cockney accent and I just could never pick it up. I could probably do Colin Farrell but I can't remember any of his lines off the top of my head but I'll I'll I'll I'll workshop. Okay thank you. That's really disappointing. That you came here with nothing. Nothing paired circus here just like you know like oh the monkeys on a UNICYCLE. It's like I know a lot of movie you're seeing is as you're not a circus animal. You're you're do little. You can talk to the animals and you can talk to the to the English and I were stars of Hollywood. I my Irish I it Colin Farrell Irish accent from this movie would would not differ at all from my Social Ronin accent so I am just saving time. Can you do sir show playing in Matthew mcconaughey as character in this film I was. He say he's like the lion. The Lion. The law of the jungle is. I don't even know if he says that that was good. Thank you Chris. Thank you know Social Socia- and and Colin Farrell same person saying it. Let's go to the big race. The Momma look at me now. I'm a star. I don't really want to talk about any of the Oscar races. I WanNa talk about Sundance. Okay I mean how are you finding it. I it's good. I think we figured out the shuttle's as mentioned on the first podcast it got a lot more crowded so that was interesting and very crowded crowded. People I'm kind of navigating how to get into things and try and I've just spent a lot of time with that booklet. Just like my nose in the booklet looking at the Times of all the movies and the maps being like what can I do and what can I not do. But it's fun I've seen some I've seen I have seen at least one movie that I thought was very good. Why don't you speak on right now? Oh okay it's called Shirley and it's directed by Josephine Decker and we talked about it a bit on the anticipated podcast. So we do know who Shirley Jackson's because really axworthy ex- Murtha lottery. Yes okay. Well I I had to put. I hadn't put together in my head and then some between we did the podcast and when we when I went to see this movie famed famed American Twentieth Century short-story. Yes but did a lottery is kind of the first thing that happens in the movie and the most basic description of the movie which I'm really not GonNa try to spoil is that it's about a Shirley Jackson writing a novel and kind of where she gets her inspiration and this this is a. This is a comparison that I thought had actually has nothing to do with the plot. But if you're familiar with the felt the book the secret history by Donna Tart. That's a book that is set at Bennington College in Vermont and is about a group of Literary Academic People Who get into some hijinks and this? This movie is also said College. Because Shirley Jackson's husband was professor Bennington college it's in the sixties and is about a similar literary crowd who gets into some some hijinks hiding says not quite word but things get weird and it is not an adaptation of the secret history in any way but I was like Oh cool. They figured out how to make the secret history into a movie but about women. That's interesting and I really responded to it. It's also just excellent filmmaking great performances from Elizabeth Moss all the way down. It was fine and I was excited to see it. I like to. I didn't love it. I liked it. It's very it's in the tradition of Dekker's other movies which is very claustrophobic. Very intimate on every actor's face all the time and I was unfortunately and this is really one of the The vagaries of Sundance it does. I'm not a complaint. It's really my fault but I got there a little bit Layton right before the movie was about starting and I sat in front row when you sit in the front row looking up at a movie. That has shot this claustrophobic. It's really disorienting. And it's really. It overwhelms the experience in some way so so I look forward to seeing it again. Not looking straight up into the sky through Elizabeth Moss's nostrils. Yes they do spend a lot of time on her face and its Various anxieties dieties and issues. I did think that this movie. Without spoiling anything had an absolutely incredible ending it just an awesome ending Chris what you've seen anything so I. I saw her phone that I liked a lot called the night house. The other night. stars Rebecca Hall. It's directed by David Bruckner. Who did a movie called the ritual which came out on net flicks? But you're when you'RE GONNA have to go and the jumped out at me. There's some really great scares in it. It's basically A woman grieving the after the suicide of her husband and sort of trying to piece together the mystery of his life in this House that they have on a leak in upstate New York and it's very atmospheric and Rebecca Hall. Does some really incredible stuff in this movie. I will get to insulate. I like the twists and turns of it. I I I would recommend it for people who are fans especially but I did notice that you know we always talk about this You know the the under appreciated created middle ground of movies like these genre movies. That Hollywood doesn't really make any more. So maybe they'll start winding up more on these streaming services or they go to television and this was a movie that I did feel like was trying trying to do like three of those genres at once. You know there was a time where I think this movie would have been much more straight up scary or much more straight up a thriller and this woman trying to lay. They kind of investigate her husband's past but it almost it almost felt like a product of of like wow. I can't believe we got to make this movie. Let's bring all of this stuff fan. Let's bring like the Pacific Heights element in but also bring into shining element and also bring in some like incredibly intense jump scares and screaming and loud loud score so it was an interesting experiment and seeing where we're genre movies are at right now to see at Sundance like this. I'm looking forward to seeing that one. I saw this morning. I is definitely the best thing I've seen so far. It's called Dick Johnson's onces dead. To documentary would not would literally not be shocked if we were talking about it at best documentary a year from. Now it's my woman. Kirsten Johnson who's a longtime cinematographer documentaries. She made a documentary in two thousand fifteen called camera person which many people say is one of the best documentaries. The last ten years but as much more impressionistic doesn't have really narrative through line. They this movie is her essentially documenting the waning years of her father's life. That sounds very grim and gruesome. This is one of the funniest and most exciting and inspiring movies. I've seen it a longtime it. The way that she chooses to talk about these ideas with their father and then consistently consistently put her father in situations that would provoke emotion is so interesting an unusually peppy. But also insightful and and heartrending and all the other things that you want a movie like this to be it's also eighty nine minutes just magnificent. It's a perfect time and it's going to be on Netflix. Like in two months and it is a little bit of like this is what documentaries can be. They don't just have to be these. STODGY deeply serious kind. kind of like archival driven like there is a huge like a wave of creativity in the movie that I'm just not used to seeing so I would highly recommend that to everybody who watches movies on Netflix. When it comes out in a couple of months Any other sonnets thoughts that you wanNA share you. You got a good look the ski lift yet. The chairlifts I've been walking by it a lot and I still have not remit. Although there was a very kind person who listened to our podcast and said that I shouldn't be afraid I shouldn't listen to you and I should buy a pass. Ask Go on the chairlift. And then I could see on the other side of the hill. You deserve to the mountains beyond that. Sounds like the sequel to the movie. Christmas just driving Burger. I will fight herself herself on the other side of the of the mountain. Do you remember the movie frozen before there was a frozen Disney movie when they're stuck in the ski lift and the Wolves and they're like wolves that there's movie now but you know what I did once. You actually might like this one. I when I went to visit Disneyworld as a child got stuck in one of those like the Gondola Rides. That goes over Disneyworld for like an hour and a half so I don't want to be St Gas. Oh no I'm I'm fascinated by them. I WANNA be a part of it. Just it's so close to the town town. It looks like such a fun. Ride Chris Getting into any other fund journeys here at Sundance. No I've had a little bit of a hard time acclimatizing. Oh really yeah like my I feel like I'm I'm out of breath frequently. which is weird? I stopped smoking only time ago. Have you been greeting the people in the street all of the fans of the watch and the ringer NBA show. Are you messing with me. No some great fans out for all their products. Yeah it's been really nice to talk to them. And what do you say to me. Shake their hand and I say what's your name brings you to Sundance. And then what you slink away quickly I would like what's your next move. You engage them in conversation. Say I say to you. What would you like to go? Get a meal with me. Has Anyone quoted your famed moment from the Sky Fall. PODCAST DOC estimates. You called yourself the best. Nobody knows nobody knows what people really cool. They've got a lot of rewatch bowls in big pick fans. Listen and watch fans. Thanks everybody who has checked out overdoing really appreciate it Amanda and. I'll be back later this week. Talking about all the great stuff we saw Sundance and God willing Some News on the Oscars Front. I wouldn't hold your breath by you know you guys got to do something to create the news like what can you do. INDIES Downer peg. Like you want us to assassinate him bill but he'll definitely win. You GotTa do something you got to do something you got to keep it fresh for yourself. 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070  Mindful Moments with Michelle Amussen

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070 Mindful Moments with Michelle Amussen

"Get A and welcome to occupy your fortnightly podcast for all things puck you patient and occupational therapy this episode. I reconnected with an old friend. Michelle Emerson who is an OT and yoga instructor and teaches mindfulness. We want to have a discussion about mindfulness. But first we had to reconnect for those of you show used to back in the day. Have probably the very first. Ot podcast so we had a quick catch up and then we go right into the meat of the discussion. Look out for more. Michelle in the podcast in coming months but for now enjoy month from this. Howley. I'm good. How are you pretty? Good is has been a very long time now. Really Really I was trying to think about when we did our interview. How long ago was that? I think I think when a found that twitter stuff to the other day think it was you released it at the start of two thousand thirteen which means we must have recorded it like the before like a couple of months before now tunneling so it would have been the end of two thousand well. Hey that's what I was thinking. I'm thinking two thousand eleven. Probably two thousand twelve. Yeah those remember. Yeah and yeah so you release the end. The January two dozen today. I'll my gosh. Hey an hour interviewing in January shrew. He only been what seven years tons of change? I think podcasting is a little bit easier nowadays Chris to chat with you about that because I think even like social media so different I mean like I feel like you've always been really great at that like twitter and all that kind of stuff but I mean like instagram is so big now is just so such a different world and I'm sure that editing is a lot probably a lot easier in some ways. Polio has been good or just stupidly addicted to with things just s myself until I learn how things work so I definitely wouldn't say that I'm like good at it but I've been exposed to it enough to now a couple of things right so it even even that when we record that. I don't even think instagram thing. Trying to think that guy obviously twitter was 'cause that's where I found out message but I don't think instagram was like an actual thing when when we recorded that because I think it went out such strict when you posted it like I remember you have a facebook page. Was it was good to. Ot Goto even tried to look website. But it's gone. Yeah that was part of the downfall. Was the website. Got a virus and stuff like that. So yeah I still have all of them and I I. I haven't started on my hard drive so I was like I should go back and listen to. I would be terrified to listen to that really so I have no idea actually I would. Actually I would be curious to listen to it just to see like how things have changed. Early I think it'd be interesting to see. Yeah just like where you're taking you obviously now. You have the occupied podcast. I think it'd be really. I think that's a cool thing about podcasting that you get to like. Have these glimpses back in time? Where a lot of us. We don't really remember a specific details or things like that so if I might send it to me because I want to have a listen now now I'm curious you've got me curious. I think I might. I might be horrified to to listen to myself like also naive. Remember remember we did it over skype and I remember. I think you had to do it at your dad's work because he had some setup program I remember it being like a really complex thing and I had no idea what you're doing or how it was working. I didn't think that was when I actually listened to a podcast before offend you on twitter and then I was like exploring Micah. These things are pretty cool right. Yeah but I would think that you would probably have been the one of if not the very first. Ot podcasts. I think so I think I was. I mean to my knowledge at the time. Yeah because I think when it's amazing to me it's amazing that does more and more starting right now but that seven year gap. There really wasn't the oldest one that I know of now probably delayed me be a maximum of three years old. Our really of the ones that are at the moment and I know there's been a couple like sporadic Lonzo air-to-air tried to put one out and I think they'd put out an episode like once a year or something. The British Association did something very similar. I put out like once a year. I think a lot of conferences or different things but on tons of like regular episodes with regular therapists. There was like this big gap of nothing off the finished until I'm trying to think of who of the ones probably seniors flourish would be close to one of the first ones of our law that would be. I think Mandy started that in kill me Mandy but I think two thousand seventeen. So let's talk a pretty and when did he start? Occupied US started this in Mayo March two thousand eighteen. So it's not quite to use. Mac thank you like I said like I said it's much easier. I feel like it's much easier prices nowadays than it would have been back in the day. I think that makes it a lot more convenient to be able to see each other and like you can record it from there. Yeah because we didn't have video or anything either. I think humor. I think my video works. You were just talking to a blank screen up yeah yeah. I don't think that I had any of that video equipment so I was just recording your voice and so you were just staring at like are made me. Do I think South? 'cause you sent me a photo ofter of like this is awesome. You like the setup. Look like and you sent me off to so yeah. We wouldn't have had any video which is Kinda top. Just be staring at yourself. Donald since it is it's much it is different than being able to actually see each other which is which is much easier being able to see and even like a little behind the scenes. Podcast thing like stuff goes wrong and you can like sign so the other person keeps talking like being able to do that. Have that interaction. You couldn't do it before because I that's the other thing that happened. When we were recording was there was a storm and I have a feeling either dropped out or we had to reschedule because you had a massive storm and worry about a massive storm January. Yeah good memory for random things not for things that are genuinely important. I usually will forget those immediately but random facts and things that happen. I tend to hold those things like the treasurer impressed. So who so much? It's actually the other thing I was going to ask because I couldn't remember this. You still a student when we did that so I started the podcast when I was in my final year of graduate school getting my masters degree. So Yeah I. I don't even think I had done. I think I'd done a level two. I don't know if similar to How the curriculum works out there. But like our primary internship along one. I don't even know. I think I started after a level note. I did start it after one of my level twos so it was like right after that. I decided to do a podcast. I I and I remember sending an email to my professors like. Hey I wanNA start this podcast and I had to do this long description of what a podcast was and I think even handsome from. We're like I have no idea what she's talking about and she's going to do a radio show because that's not what they're like says. She thinks she's starting radio. Show us so it was so new and but then after I graduated you know it started taking traction. So they were like. Can you come to an article harass and talk about the podcast things like that so so when you finished in middle doesn't the in like April two thousand now? And where did you go? Where did you work? What did you do after that? Did you move? So I started work at Children's Hospital and at the time when I graduated. I wasn't really sure what I wanted to do and I always. I initially thought that I wanted to work with patients Like on TV. I team I've done more like inpatient and I didn't necessarily think I wanted to work with adults But it's just kinda crazy. The the path life takes you on an so. I ended up interviewing for children's hospital and I really fell in love with outpatient working with kids. So I started there in two thousand thirteen as a full-time occupational therapists. And I had never done level to an outpatient. I'd only done like early intervention. So is like a totally different world to me. The outpatient pediatrics. Set A. And how the Hell did you say there is still a so? Yeah like I said a kind of life just takes a crazy path so I started the Ot Goto as a student than I graduated. I continued the podcast but like I mentioned the podcast. Scott are my website. Got A virus. It was just too much to maintain and to be honest at the time because podcasting with so new employers felt like maybe it would be a conflict of interest. I think at that time it was so new that they were afraid of me. Giving advice than parents take and there's no way to really control how advice was taken or you know it's like the whole spiel. People say like you know seek a medical professional. You know you're really. Sometimes you need to say that the beginning I have I have put warning. It might my cart episode that. I've just release about colonized thinking I had to put a a warning saying like this is not If you use this as a learning to elect you need to use it in conjunction with something you cannot just use this episode as not not far enough. It's just a conversation like yeah so yes I definitely have an of trigger warnings and that sort of her definitely well aware of that for some things. I was thinking you have you. Put the like swearword explicit. Like what kind of crazy stuff for you. Talking about now have dropped some trigger. Tops Donald Duck's on just thinking next year. Podcast that one. I think I'd do that once funny but at that time. Yeah there it was just. Yeah so a they said you know. We're not sure if you can keep it out the podcast. I got a virus inside just kind of let it go which is looking at me now would be. I mean at becoming up on what a million episodes of the Joe Rogan And so I jumped into full time and I actually something that I kind of that would be interesting to talk about is actually got major burnout and I think I think that's something that probably a lot of therapists can relate to. It seems to be a hot topic especially in the states. It's happening everywhere but I think the states actually talking about it right yeah. I think that I was Kinda unprepared for the amount of workload that it was gonna be ammunition patients every hour on the hour We do ten hour shifts and so you sometimes have nine patients in a day You know an hour week and it's a lot of paperwork and things like that so that's been a big mission of mine now is actually helping on some of my coworkers and just trying to create that work environment to help with the burnout. Because I think it's a huge issue that we're really facing in fact they've done a lot of research on. Ot's having a really high or not rate Sir Sharon so you'll been like what what what was the head of the present headed. You know like burned out like what like what happened. Toss and sure it. You know maybe can relate to with that. I think it started with feeling missiles bad too but I think a lot of people probably can relate that like a patient would cancel and you would feel a sense of relief and although you I adored my patients And I really feel like I gave them my all. It was like I can't do all this. I need a break. And so when I started noticing that I Was Really my day when it was a good day it was like. Oh you know. I had three cancels which is horrible because I genuinely cared about my patients in. It's why I do what I do but I was so drained and emotionally by the end of the day that I couldn't keep it up and I mean there are a lot of other signs like Not Sleeping while or staying staying up late. Not Eating healthy. I mean I think carried over probably a lot of the graduate school habits of just like this over achievement all and then into into work where it just really started to wear me down To the point where I actually ended up quitting and is kind of to the extreme. I not only quit. I sold all of my belongings. All all my belongings. I moved out of my apartment. I got a storage unit and I bought a one way ticket to Europe. Sounds like a movie right while also. Oh it kind of is so and. I mean there were a lot of other things going on in my life at the time I was I was going through a divorce. I was a new student. It was a tough time so we called it a I call it love. Prog book okay. Somebody else wrote it. You could adopt so and I'M GONNA one way ticket and I told my boss I don't know how coming back and I don't know if I want to be not. That went from like this one extreme of like I love how you WanNa do this again and I I think important to point out that obviously a lot of other things going on at the time but I think what it really came down to as I was carrying for myself so I couldn't really care for my patients. Fulltime so Backpack for probably. I think it was until my visa ran out so like three or four months a backpack to alter your up and then came home because my visa ran out and it was kind of like. Oh what do I still have student loans? Yes I you know. I spent eight years pursuing a career in one of my going to do and so I ended up doing a lot of pure on work. Like transitional care facilities and stuff like that but then eventually I just I made my way back to pediatrics. Actually the exact same hospital that I got hired the first time and they let their like totally welcomed me back like arms wide open jazz. Feel a bit hesitant going back to like the same situation I did and I think kind of my toe in the water so I started at like I'm GonNa. I'll do one day a week. I'll do ten hours and then I'm GONNA do. Prn a bunch of other places which Also a stressful. Because then I had six different out. Perrineau teach bill so I did I ten hours and I worked up to twenty and then anyway now and up to thirty six so almost a full time I worked. I worked my way back up but along the way I had to make a lot of changes and really that's been Michael. Coming back is how to change. This won't work culture that we have working into the ground. And how can we take care of ourselves while still taking care of our patients so it's kind of interesting how my role's evolved without to with your Kazai expecting around the house before I've also been through that sort of thing and As we speak about fola will by many means a guy like really involved in promoting the profession just absolutely in love with it and one of the things that I noticed When I got burned out and I sort of made the conscious choice like I have to pull back from a lot of these ice cold extracurriculars so like not related things. That aren't much job. How one of the things. I noticed having to do that it was almost this like I knew that I had to do it to look after myself but almost had this like guilt on top of all of the other stuff that was going. Did you find similar because I know you begin? Like really passionate about T. and then all of a sudden having these feelings copter. This don't WanNa do this is your. You have a similar thing on top of that. Luckily I did I guess right. Yeah I absolutely agree. I think the guilt kind of compounds the whole situation because I was feeling burned out. And but then on top of that I was telling myself like well You should be better at this like there's other people that are doing it. What if What if you can't do this or you're not meant to be a therapist? There's a lot of dialogue. That happens and that stinking totally wears you down and it continues to impact how you feel about yourself. And then how How you are how you behave as a therapist because if you're feeling rundown you really can't be one hundred percent present either. That's one of the things I've noticed too therapist. That guy is a lot of the time pretty much exactly like you just described. They internalize the issue instead. All because a lot of the issues are emperor and out Systemic the outside of our control. The Ju two systems putting precious and deadlines and KPI's and all that stuff that we're trying to fit into and when not equipped. I guess to either do that. Much work will do it. That rapidly all do with that much pressure etc etc. But I've heard a lot of ot you know when the hit that point a lot odd. Contra this maybe it's not for me maybe they'll stop blaming the profession as like. Hey not it's all this online. It's hard to see right now but I can guarantee you. It's not the profession. It's not you. It's full of these other things but yeah just an observation. I think I was making. I think it was something that I've also coming back with my just new perspectives so to speak of in returning back to profession and at the exact same place that I thought I was gonna live forever It really made me. WanNa reach out to my car hers as training a new employee. That's one of the first things that I talk about is or a student is like okay. This is this is what it looks like not. This is a lot that maybe we don't talk about in school as much. The productivity demands the short time between patients a really hard patients that you're going to see an end pediatrics. Do and I I think. Probably across the Board. We see some really hard stuff and and then you have to pick back up in the next patients there at the top of the hour. You know And so I kind of said that a that understanding that there will be times when it's hard and what can what skills can we set in place now to help you restore and So that when you start your day your next patient you feel like you can and that you can Be The therapists that you want to be instead of just the survival mode so we have A. I think I've really tried to create a place where people can talk about it and in doing so. It's kind of an interesting. Is that not only have? I created that culture at work but also it's translated into the parent the parents of the children that I treat. And that's been one of the coolest things is that we can kind of. Have this open dialogue of they also get tremendous for now with a child with a chronic illness. I think Although we're treating the patient which is the Child. The parents are dealing with a law. And I think that's something that I didn't really acknowledge early on because I was going through my own burnout and now I get a CNN apparent. Were Oh wow I see those signs a C- I understand an a an a different way what that feels like. I think when you when you're in the thick of itself like it's hard to see that P- hang out with other people like it's hard for me to be able to identify that this parody is bad out all they need a break. Something needs to give their if your at that point. Yourself like it's kind of almost your. Brian goes into survival mode. Where to slaughter? Like protect yourself. Protect yourself and you're not seeing as much whereas now shoeing that you are in a much better place and you can actually step back and see this situation a little more objectively For what's actually happening with them. Not that that view isn't being clouded by you. Know what's going on with as much right right and I think we have better outcomes when I can really relate to the parents and we can They feel that trust with me and we can really talk about some of the hard stuff. I think that the outcomes do improve too. So that's something that I'm in the work of his actually creating. This'll be the first time that's ever offered at this. Hospital is a parent Apparent kind of like Resiliency Stress Reduction Program or children with chronic illness or chronic disabilities so speed starting at a program for them so not only a retreating their child but the hope is to make it a free service that they can come once a week and there will be a mindfulness practice or meditation practice maybe even like some yoga or movement but they can take some time for themselves and learn How to cope with with what they're going through? Instead of always focusing on the child what can they do to heal and Although we may never be able to change their child's diagnosis says we can Really changed the way that we react and we can can heal. So that's my big thing is starting to help with the parents as well. That's awesome. Yeah that's working so one of the things. I WANNA do a deep dive in. Because I feel like you're the right person to do this with is mindfulness. Now it's something that is I think even five six years ago most people would have gone on. It's like hippy stuff. Whereas it's like making this. Massive sunny been a resurgence assist surgeons into healthcare and particularly it. Because I do think it fits really well. We're not. Let's start with the basics. What is mindfulness? You're right yes I think. Mindfulness is such a buzzword. And I feel like you see mindful everywhere you know. Everything has mindful on my own groceries though seen that like a brand of butter something elsewhere that I saw that was like had the board mindful in it and like how does that. How is this butter mindful So we see it everywhere but some way the I define mindfulness is job as in the way that he defines it is. Mindfulness is paying attention in a particular way on purpose in the present moment so it sounds really simple and the definition that I really liked that I give kids is. It's mindfulness. Let's pull on. Mindfulness is paying attention in a particular way With kindness and curiosity and then choosing our behavior and that so that was amy saltzman definition so mindfulness Israeli If we break it down in tension all so we are intentionally being present and aware what's happening in the present moment so most of us spend our life on autopilot. We you know the best definition is like a driving to work in some that you pull up in. You have no idea how you got there. Your mind's totally somewhere else. Beaumont which is worrying do are then you miss your exit? Like how did I ended up in this totally other area on and fortunately that's how we live. A lot of our lives is that we are just jumping from thing to thing. We're so preoccupied. And there's really this distraction all the time there and you know. Social media is a big one of those big distractions. I know for myself included. And so we're we are acting in this autopilot. A lot of the time. We may not even be realizing it. So being mindful means intentionally coming back to the present moment and one of the ways that we can do. That is our senses so noticing breath or Things that we see around us the sounds the smells really tuning into the present moment. That's one of the easiest things for me is to really focus on my breath kinda house. Bring me back to my body or like feeling the soles of my feet on the ground and it sounds silly but one of the things that I am notorious for doing and I do work at an outpatient hospital at luckily to have like beautiful grassy areas. But sometimes you'll see me walking in the grass with my shoes off in the summer and people are probably like who is a strange late but you know like sometimes we need something to pull us out of this like constant news in our head into the present moment and so for me. It's kind of a a lot of it is being outside so it's intentional. We talked about autopilot and then a big piece of it is this curiosity and kindness in the words of Amy Saltzman. It's being really curious in. That could be curious about the world around us But it's also been curious about our thoughts and the way that we respond or react rather so the more that we can be curious about. Ha I do. I always have that thought. Or why does this bother me or noticing the thoughts that come up before we have a knee jerk reaction if we could be curious about them than we can change them? We have the power pop positive between two like the side. What am I going to do? So this curiosity to an non a non judging and that means non judging ourselves in non judging of others as well so that's kind of the long version maybe really clear that's probably the clearest I've ever had it explained I think one of the things like one of the ways I've have explained it but also had it explained to me is it's about putting space between thoughts and decisions side. I think you not instance people. The person was explaining that we have these thoughts that you know would generally Informed decisions but then the spacing between is often filled with thoughts the future thoughts of the possibility of what's going for ten thoughts of home running late when the bus coming all these other stuff. That just happens random. Yeah Yeah I mean sometimes not even helpful quite often not even helpful so it was there was about trying to clear the space between I guess the useful information that you're thinking and being able to then make better decisions because it's not all muddied up and cloudy in the The other thing the Sakaba things. I want to clear up because I've heard of heard lots of things. I speak to lots of people and I've heard lots of things and one of the thing that I think with regards to mindfulness. That often gets grouped. Together is meditation. Right what would you? How would you explain? The difference like different is the same thing and so I think the way that I like to explain it. Is that so meditation hand? Be a mindfulness practice. You don't have to meditate to be mindful if that makes sense so like we talked about with mindfulness. That could be as simple as being the crazy person like me walking out on the grass with bare feet. You know or sitting outside and listening to the birds or you know just being present in your body but it can also be are actually so those are what I consider an informal practice so informally being mindful. Opt Out in your day to day which is kind of the goal for a lot of US old. There's a formal practice and former practice is traditionally a seated meditation practice so when we meditate on that can be a part of our former practice in it can be sitting can be lying down. It can actually be walking. There are some walking meditations as well so a lot of people think that you have to be sitting crosslegged with Nansen Mood Dra and that's not true. You can really be a really any way that comfortable for you and for you sitting or lying down or even walking meditation. Dozens speak to you in. That's not if if you doesn't resonate with you then. You can have thousand formal practices so timmy. They're not exclusive. You don't have to you. Don't have to meditate you. Mindful that makes sense. There's lots of other can be mine. Faw have done a walking one before I remember doing a like a staff awning die like a team team building. Day thing that we had one In an old clinical team that was in And This guy was running. He is a mental health nurse. But still to this day still now. Amy Still probably one of the most amazing mental health. Clinicians Bet But his really his his Buddhist maybe misquoting him Really into mindfulness really into substance and commitment therapy that kind of stuff and he got us doing this exercise where it was kind of and I'm sure it has a name but I know it but it was like a circular maze saying new walks slowly on your walking to the pace of your breath and you were essentially try. I think this is a long way back. Saw maybe butchering this. But the idea was to like think all of your thoughts whatever was going in your head like take note of everything on the why in because it kind of went into the middle and then back out and it was and then on the way out was to okay. You've already thought those things that's all the day to day stuff that's going on your head on the day out. It was to set an intention full for us. It was like the it was like at the start of the year for the team. Likewise get all of that stuff out of the way and then it was almost like the physical act of moving to the center of this maze. almost I guess put like a physical deadline on okay like you've you've thought this you've acknowledged these thoughts now on the way out you don't have to think them and you can think about what you want to get what you want to achieve this year. What you wanted to with with The physical one that I've ever done but it was. I found it really. It was an interesting experience because I was a little bit at the time. I was quite skeptical of it. And I'm like this just seems weird. It's like a bunch of adults standing in a park walking around in the evening when it was really good. And that's one of my. I come thought bubbles like the thought the pots and ahead his legacy people would have. I think we're doing just a lot of it's walking back and forth and you're in a group just silently so I still think it would be funny to see somebody's reaction well. That was one of my thoughts going into the maze was looking around to see if any watching us because I like this would ever onto looking at the ground when they're walking because they're following the lines on the ground almonte. This would look like some kind of weird cult or something. Just what she all of these people walk around this maze but it was very effective. I was pleasantly surprised at how effective it actually was And his thing I guess. Pot of his lesson with that is the integration. All Physical Movement with mindful practice He he was gonNA pushing that. It was made more effective. Some people found it easier than just Some of the like you said like more just sitting there going on three different practices. I think it can be a lot more comfortable especially if people have back pain or knee pain but mindfulness has also been. It's also practiced to help people with chronic pain. But it's something that you you mentioned about your thoughts is like you were aware like. I'm having this thought people probably are you know but how long did that last was at like hallway around or did it kind of come and go ou- because I think all Alexei the walk in. May We would have been So it wasn't like for me anyway. It wasn't like one the whole time. It was like all of these. All of these different things. Oh popping into my head as I went perfect example as I think. One of them misconception as as well as that with mindfulness response to be controlling our thoughts so one of the things that I hear a lot is like what tried meditating but I have thoughts. That's like well. Yeah toward failing part of what we're here for and what. Mindfulness is that you know our mind is never gonNA be completely blank for a moment. But then another thoughts GonNa pop in and so. That's what we're doing with. Mindfulness is were noticing. Like what's going on in my head. I'm outside I'm walking. This amazing having weird thoughts are you know or I'm stuck on this thing. So we're noticing what those thoughts are but the key difference is that we're not getting attached to them We're not trying to change them. We're not getting overwhelmed by them. And we're not even avoiding just kinda notice you like I was interesting thought and allow it to pass. So it's kind of like you're seeing a movie of all your thoughts and feelings happening as without having to be controlled by them. And how amazing is that if we could live more of those challenging situations in our life where we weren't so overwhelmed or avoidance of our thoughts and feelings but we could just kinda notice it like That's interesting that came up is interesting. You know our thoughts on our thoughts aren't fax definitely sometimes laws. My brain trust the trick. Me Us is one thing I have noticed specifically with regards to that is how and this is gonNA cheapen when I said Atlanta realized now how I process those individuals it might be affecting so now how I process those individual thought is very much how I operate day to day and I was just reflecting on this justin as you were talking because my issue with regards to Like noticing a thought letting it poss- is every thought that comes in. I want to action it right there and then so I'll be like you know might be something like a wonder what's for dinner not and it'll be like okay now right now because that thought has popped in. I need to work it out. Planet out work it out. What am I going to do what I need to go? That kind of thing. I struggle always always was easily able to acknowledge that the thought existed but she was not actioning it immediately like as soon as it popped in my head. 'cause then I get distracted from what I was actually doing and I found I found the same thing with my workflow at work And something that I'm currently working on A new way of operating is not an action. Every single thing that comes into my office or into my email box immediately and putting everything into y essentially like a to do list type program and it might not get action for a couple of hours and even but that's okay. No one's GonNa Work University. No one no one's GonNa die reply to the email immediately bought. What I found is is it has created the space for me to actually focus on what I'm doing and I'm not trying to multitask on things and I'm getting soft on soil much quicker by not doing things immediately. See how dumb. That's what I say. That live law should be mindful. Your brain isn't inbox respond immediately to every email you know like I think. Sometimes that's face of maybe waiting. You have time to also process. Like what do I? WanNa do that task. How do I WANNA respond? Orson instead of the first thing that comes to your mind so ya allowing space. No I think that that totally makes sense and I think I think we need more of that more of Being intentional instead of reactive and that could be our inbox. Or you know the way that we treat other people are are treat ourselves one of the other things. I want to hear this confuses me a hill. Lots of people like you were saying at the start like one for this monster. That everything's mindful. Nowadays is mindful eating and mindful walking in Montville talking and probably jousting somewhere and me. This is costing right. Now it's common and you've already sort of highlighted and I have experience in some of those issued. Call THEM EXERCISES. That might say meditations in the example that is sort of designed to snap you back into more of a mindfulness state of mind. So it's designed to help bring you back to the president. Okay how does that differ from something like mindful eating all? Let's see these mindful eating as an example. Because I've heard that a lot recently. How does that differ from actually doing something mindfully? So this to me. It seems like a lot of things with regards to monitor this or in two categories either designed to bring you back into being mindful or you'll design or it's designed to train you to do something mindfully if I if that makes sense. I don't know if I'm making sense is that he's going so I'm wondering I'm wondering if I can tell by the look on your face that maybe you don't see these as two different things so give me give me another example. Like see said mindful. Eating thinking about eating mindfully is different than eating mindfully. Like no yeah explain. Give me another example. A meditation the whole purpose of meditation is to bring you back into that mindful mindset. But other than that. There's not much purpose to it like. I know one meditates just to meditate. I see what you're saying whereas things like there's like say mindful activities where you are during the activity and trying to be mindful wall. You do it so if I'm walking I'm trying to be mindful while I'm walking like I'm paying attention to like the feel of the ground the pressure my fades the wind the sun. Whatever is going on and I'm trying to be present in that activity but the parents of the activity is still whatever the activities as opposed to mindful as opposed to meditation. Which is the purpose is to bring you into a mindful mindset is probably a better way of explaining why. I think something that also that came to mind like as you were talking. It's like I think it's a really good point like if we're if we're thinking about like. I need to do this mindfully I wanna I wanna be walk mindfully but then turns into this whole thing of like. How would I do this nicely? Is this my volt like mine? My really I really in the present moment or my preoccupied on line Hollis is in flow. Mindfulness as it's really being being in the present moment and I'm thinking about am I doing this right and my being mindful than the present moment really not here and judging how I am doing my mindfulness practice so I think that can show up to is like I for sure. Have that setting in on my matt or during meditation. I'll think to myself like oh you should be doing this like Oh you need a unique. Set up straighter. You needed to do that. All have some internal dialog. Show up as soon as that happens. It's the realization of like okay now thinking about being mindful. That's not really being here. I don't answer your question I think. Sometimes we make mindfulness more complicated than it really. Is We get so caught up in like am I doing this right? How should I do this or you know if you feel like that you feel present in you Feel like you're acting with intention than than you're doing it. There's not really any other magic thing you know because I think that's one of those and another. That does because I think one of the issues that I've always found in trying to implement more in my own life is it ends up being more of a almost like a commodity where I'm like I'm GonNa do fifteen minutes. Mindfulness and on why why like what what am I being mindful about like my just. Brealey that I'm sitting in a room doing nothing like what one of my actually and that could be depending on what? I'm doing it full but I wonder how effective it is. Just do that and I guess but probably does. It probably depends on why you're doing it you know. I don't even think that you always have to go into a mindfulness practice with the goal. I think that that's one of the big things we think we always have to do. Something to achieve like. There has to be a reason I exercise because I want this to do 'em Duke. Mindfulness I need to do it for this and Interesting thing with mindfulness is that you never really know what's going to show up. So if you're sitting in meditating or your just being going on a mindful walk like you spoke to. It's really about just being in the moment so you might be interested in like wow all. These thoughts are popping my head that I've been stuffing under the surface all day. Long like for me. My something I've had to realize his mind need to achieve achieve achieve you know Starting ot go to like building all these programs for the hospital having my own business incorporate. Mindfulness also I achieve a lot for myself worth. I WanNa do that so I feel good about myself and I feel successful and all these things but when a slowdown and I'm just kind of still with myself I can kind of realize what am I. There might be some things that I'm trying to do to Achieve are there might be some reasons that I'm over achieving or doing these things because deep down there some other thoughts feelings so it's really kind of about appealing these layers that we do throughout our day that really kinda cover what might be hiding under the surface that makes sense. So it's being like I kind of created like just hanging out with myself Okay Michelle what's really going on? Now that you have nothing to do but set here what is GONNA show up today? Are you thinking about? Are you planning for this? Are you worried about this and just kind of taking an inventory of what's going on with me and yeah so I don't know it's not? It's not necessarily. It doesn't have to be goal. Driven just can be kind of trying to figure out what's going on in our heads and all that because I think one of the things one of the not a big misconception by one of the misconceptions that I see is that. Mindfulness is full relaxation. Right and it's not necessarily the kiss that some people may use it for that if they thought like I've used it for that Usually before bed if racing and I can't stop a lot of thoughts or I'm thinking about too much stuff is Guinness stopped me from Garner Sleep. Then I will usually I do it with some. I need some order tree and party. Some sensory input. Because I'm not sitting still so it's usually something like ray noises and it's just almost like white noise to try and stop me from being distracted by other things Not Music or anything. Because I just end up getting singing. All getting distract by the lyrics Yeah and using it to acknowledged thoughts. Let them cost. And I find that off thrive. You've done that for ten fifteen minutes. Something like that then. I'm mind is racing as much and I can go to sleep so I have used it for relaxation. But that's like one specific instance. It's not the whole I think a lot of people think that's the whole purpose of monitoring Mus and maybe that's just that's the experience I've been exposed to but I think a lot of benefit just relaxation And I think you're exactly right. You may not feel relaxed. I remember the first forty five minute meditation. I sat through. I was sitting in a chair in a group format so I just kept having these thoughts like Oh. I can't sit here any longer. What if I need to stand up and walk out of the room and I need a stretch and you know like best thought that like I'm losing it? How are people just sitting here looking so calm? I totally had all those thoughts. You know it kind of get interesting in my like will why you know. Why am I thinking about those things are or were why am I having a hard time? Sitting? Still what kind of things trying to avoid. I don't know if it was interesting but I I totally agree. I think a lot of people. Don't give mindfulness a chance or think they're doing it wrong so they stop and and whatever you're doing is enough honestly if all you make it to like two minutes in you're like okay. I'm done and that still to answer. You sat with yourself and you just did a check in so and if you fall asleep that's the other thing people ask me like well. What if I fall asleep than you had a great now like a very tall? Yeah there's tons. I still fall asleep. You know it happens every it's all it's all good so because I think one of the things one of the Times I have used. It was really successful. Was cheering really high stress periods at work and I set out a number of on Casey Call Them Healthier Habits type things that I wanted to do each day to try and literally. Just try and manage What was going on at work like it was only a set period of time but it was really difficult And of them was. I can't remember exactly. I think it was only five minutes but I had to go and sit outside for five minutes without any time. Nothing which is my big downfall. Because it's usually always find anything. I had the final. Was the five minute timer other than that. It went in my bag and that was it and I didn't intentionally set it out to be like a mindfulness thing but what I found myself doing was just because these were places like bench outside the office or something like places. I've walked off all the time. And what family's doing was just looking and listening and taking in more detail around about those different areas that. I was seated at that day than I'd ever even so nervous. Like one of the places. I will cost it every day for a semester and I'd never actually when I sat there for five minutes. It was literally only five minutes. I took in more detail heard. Noises found birds that were nesting there. That all this little stuff that seems fairly insignificant in the Bustle of the DIA hadn't even noticed so much of this stuff so I wasn't intending it to be a mindfulness thing. It was literally something that I started doing As a I need to get outside five minutes to just break up the wedding day but are found doing that and observing the environment as inasmuch details. I could especially allman environments stuff that I'd been exposed to fairly regularly before I found that really. It wasn't relaxation. It was a comedy but I found it really head clearing. If that Kinda makes sense Still couldn't explain it to but I know it works but it works. I had a cat and one of my groups say that mindfulness is like screen saver mode. Like a lot of kids are like. What's a screensaver thing anymore? You I mean the screensaver thing where I mean. I don't know because we're always on our phones but like it's kind of like let's give our mind arrest for a moment and just put those things like what you're saying with the INBOX. Let's put them into a different folder for a moment to allow a reset and that can be five minutes. And you're doing mindfulness and it didn't have to be goal there no you weren't you weren't like my intention is to be mindful. You were doing it. Not just found a different place to sit each day. Just had something different. And that was like I said five minutes a day but the the benefit in even say if you WANNA measured in productivity for five minutes out of the office was exponential like massive difference on how how much longer I was able to focus how much more I was able to get done by taking five minutes away and I'm really bad for that on. The dude will hit up his launch. And eat it while I keep working kind of thing like I'm not good at taking breaks out of the office But discovering that was Kinda like and it seems really obvious to some people maybe but it was like game. Changing Familia y this. That was one of the first time I went like this off actually works. I'm lovat yeah exactly. Yeah I do the same thing. I'll I'll go sit outside for five minutes or take a moment to reset anything. It makes a huge difference and they've done research on this too so I mean it's for those people that are like scooby in based practice. It really is so For Brent burnout for stress reduction for helping with Even attention and focusing in things like this. I mean taking five minutes for yourself. I think it's worth it. Absolutely what do you think is easy it all probably the Lowest Barrett entry? What's the best way for people to start to incorporate some of this stuff into the allies like? What do you think needs to happen for them to do that? To start incorporating mindfulness into their. Yeah I think one of the easiest I think. Sometimes the seated practice the formal practice can be intimidating. Just like we talked about. I mean they're certainly accident. Can recommend insight timer is one of my favorite. I don't know if you've heard of that. But they have thousands of free resources. Yeah could send it to you as well but All the medications are free and you consider by topics. Say you're like I only have five minutes you can put in five minutes You can search by like stress reduction or sleep or even Kim Meditation so I think that is an easy place to start but also with the understanding that the seated meditation may not be for everybody just like we talked about but there are a ton of resources You know I think different things speak to different people. I really like movement so I let. Yoga is one of my mindfulness practices. I'm also a yoga instructor. So moving and stretching. That really helps me be present in the In my body so that's one of my very probably one of my first mindfulness practices yoga and I didn't even know that that's what I was doing but after I realized I'm like wow that whole hour I was just I was. President was in my office focusing on my breath and thinking about all these other things and you think of her that before about IAGO specifically as a bottomless practices it because obviously not a big yoga person myself but is it is it more because of the concentration in the focus that is required to control your body through some of those poses. Is that what makes it such a valuable? Mindfulness and I I think it's a lot of it's focused on the brats. So you're bringing your awareness to your breathing and how you're moving You're bringing your attention to the sensation of like your hands on the Mat The way that you're balancing these yoga poses it does require you being really aware of where your body's at and really president and if your your mind starts wandering which it well you know. Sometimes you fall out of oppose. You know. It's 'cause your your mind go somewhere else. So I think it's bringing it back to the body the senses and there's a lot of other things with yoga different practices as well that kind of bridge that mind body and spirit so depending on your Yoga instructor they May. We've been helping you be aware of your breath the movement and then Spirit like how meeting religion necessarily but just Your higher self. How how am I feeling today connecting with yourself so But Chancery Question. I would have somebody I would say. Maybe checkout insight timer there's You could try like Yoga Thaddeus. That is interested in something interesting for you. There's youtube or all sorts of things like that We're just like we spoke about. I think taking a five minute break or even three if all you had and putting your phone down and taking a walk in your office or going outside but I think even just putting down your phone and just seeing. What does it feel like to sit without a distraction such as my phone? And what do I notice? What can I see? Smell here You might find you appreciate a lot more things that maybe you didn't notice before I know that's the case for me for sure so i. That's what I have my I tell. My coworkers is like take a five minutes. Walk before lunch. Or when you go fill up your water bottle on your lunch break Like don't take your phone walk and just walk of no other job but to walk and you don't have to be thinking about something you don't have to be planning. You don't have to be stressing about the future. All you have to do is walk and go fill up your water and see what you noticed. You're walking but like Mixon's amazing to just allow yourself to have only walk now a planning to do list. And all the other things on the flip side of that is how that is that. We've got to a point where that doesn't right. I I mean some of them walk in the hall and I am as anybody on that. Bought MY PHONE OUT. Yonder. Did you find out. I'm like Lori bad for. I wasn't even doing anything with it. I was just holding. It selected comfort blanket. It's your comfort totally will now see your mindfulness practices to see blood. Casting did it. And that's it. I think one of the things I did with the five minutes thing is for no other reason than I thought it was a good idea. I just went through the senses. What can I feel? What can I smell? What can I see? What can I hear why? How do I feel confident? Like a MA in meditation. They look like a body check in type thing. Like start at the bottom toes feet knees legs also Blah Blah Blah Blah And jus- guy from there and I found looking at the observations through some structure obviously like the senses that some structure for my very logical brain. That Kanda that worked for me anyway. That helps that helps me. I some can. What else do I want to ask? This happens at least once the plug us. Forget or not all like something that came to my mind that I just thought of as you were talking like kids are neatly mindful really. I do feel work. Getting our culture's getting more and more distracted and kits. You know better barely walking. Have iphones but you know. They know how to navigate knife own. Probably they if you watch them. They are like you go outside in there. You know they're interested and they find all sorts of things to play with that you never even thought could be something to enjoy you now so sometimes I think of mindfulness. Seeing the world threat child's I is of what can I see in appreciate and be curious about the day-to-day moments instead of constantly? Looking for the next thing the next thing that's GonNa make me happy. The next thing that's going to entertain me Because really all we have is like is this moment and And then that moment slips away so you know you're looking down at your phone instead of playing with your child and and and enjoying that time with them well then that moment taxes in moments gone so we can put away our phone and really and be present than we had that moment that we can ever get back. What are the things and I've always loosely linked with money from this just in sort of everyday life A practice I picked up a few years ago with minimalism. Where I was finding is what you say just then reminded me. Was you constantly looking for that next thing in for me? It was like you're my slack off by this thing like Then I'll love that. That'll make me happy. And that happiness loss of forty five seconds until it's out of the box and then it's okay. What's the next thing kind of thing and being able to shift my a? One being out actually recognize. That was a patent was happening. Was a big deal for me but then shift my attention away from things and realizing that the stuff that I had more than likely was more than adequate to do what I wanted to do. Didn't have to replace everything in have to buy anything. I found that very freeing on terms of and I've read one thing on this but essentially like the mole possessions the more I guess clotted. My head wasn't he didn't. There was no direct relation to it. It was more a patent but Look Correlation but clearing out a lot of the junk that I had stuff in draws stuff in Kapisa and look at us forever closed that would probably not fit for a ninety. Sitcom stuff that I just had just because stuff that I had the incase kind of thing and opening a draw that was just full of rubbish would nowadays already but it was almost like it took up too much Brian Space and I found that the physical act of decluttering a now. It's a big buzz thing now. The whole Marie Condo and all that kind of stuff but this was before that a promise that really helped clear put some space so like I had if I needed something I had one on own. Maybe two options for what I could actually owned to do it. Like I took away some of the the searching in the decisions and that freed up so much more space to feel like I was enjoying them island or in the present all rather than forever looking for something all wanting something different because even having multiple for example. Even with this podcast like I had one. Point four microphones all four modified far people over to your house to do an interview sometime. Not Us never going to happen and know that many people die it just like everyone. I interview for most part. I think one in person interview in the hold on zoomed because most people don't live in Australia especially to what was that even if they do they don't live in my tiny little city so everyone's a long way away from me so even just that on my case of well mark I am I gonNA use like. Why do I even need to put thought into that? Why why does that need to take up my valuable time and the valuable space that I have between my ears. I I think that's exactly right. And I think it was interesting when I sold all my belongings and And I just had a tiny storage unit. Which was you know I kept like a few close Items but I got rid of all my furniture. I never felt freer in that moment because it was. I don't need anything really and I started looking at all these things. I bought like decorations and things that I really thought would make me happy and when it comes down to it. They didn't make me happy. There were just things and and so when I got rid of them actually felt Franken then. All I had was the back end so I literally circulated through the same. I think like four five outfits for three four months. Look you still and I quote what there was never the things like what am I gonNa. What am I gonNA wear it because I was like well? I only got you know it's going to have to be this you know. They're just a lot of that. That pressure off and the other thing that I learned is that that you can go anywhere you can do. You can travel all these exciting places and love traveling. I've been I've traveled at times. It's one of my passions but when it comes right down to it you're still with yourself and so although I was travelling on this places are still with my thoughts. I was still with those same behaviorist. They didn't stay home. They came the trip with me and when I was alone sitting on the train it was still there and so. That's what my my thing with. Mindfulness is you. Don't need to sell all your belongings and move to another country really movie. Yeah except for. Maybe I should do that. Do it probably pay a little bit better. But anyway you know it's but happiness is really in an internal thing it's not external and that's I think that is when I was talking before about why doing I think that's the ultimate reason is people want to be happy. And if if you'll identifying that you're not in the president all like I've not I can't think of a time when someone would stop wonderfulness or engage in some kind of mindful practice where the ultimate goal wasn't happiness. Like if you're not engaged in the president's you missing like you said before like you kids lives then. You're going to do that to be happy and to connect better with them or if you not being productive at work or you're not enjoying you work anymore because you know being productive central like the ultimate goal in the end. I think is to be happy even even though we often even like. You said we don't do it for a goal. I think that that's a fairly broad one. We can fly nice byproduct. Yeah there's that book ten percent happier like sem her remember people be like. Why are you meditating? You know it makes me about ten percent happier. He would literally Spain so people are like what I you know. I would be down to be ten percent happier you know. I think that that's true. So if there's anything that can improve your life even a little bit and make you ten percent happier. Why not try it? That's how you it's five minutes style with five minutes find something that you WanNa do Whether it's sit outside go for a walk. Whatever you do leave vying time Or in the car wherever? You are Do something that you can focus on salt with something simple sought with focusing on you sensors all like you said that the spotlight focus on your breath. That's something that works really well for me with regards to. Meditation is is focusing on my breath. Because it's something tangible and I can actually do it. I'm not a big fan of the whole Body scan but the focusing on breath I quite. It works for me. Say Start with this. There's a ton of things I'll put some links to some apps and different things in the show nights But it's a matter of describing a few things I think to find. What kinds of software fee and I think one of the things that I found when I first started getting into this kind of stuff. Many moons ago was once I started getting into it myself. It seems it was. It became something that I could then help Mike. The clients that I was working get into as well and it was the same process in in a way. We probably learned a lot about it together. As opposed to being like the expert and giving them the skills. Because I definitely want wasn't an I still am not even close to anything like that but it's something that you know you can share with other people. You can share the learning of the process with other people. I've done various. Minimalism challenge in mindfulness challenges. With with friends of mine. Where it's almost like we're GONNA learn this together. We'RE GONNA learn how to do this and accountability where I go for a walk in on. I get a message to check if I had my phone. Various xeres okay. If you responded they knew and they'll come up with saying Boston like you can learn these things and it's so is going to be harder for some people another some people. It'll be something that they probably already do. And it just didn't have a name for other people. It'll be really hard and it'll take time but saw small sought small build up where we should be good at that town after the great thing for us. Ot's I think it makes a lot of sense. I think if he just as to if you don't feel like an expert I think probably you are. You're really present with your patients in the way that you respond to them and treat them and help them be more aware of how they're thinking or feeling or or their goals. I think that you're you're probably putting more mindfulness into your own practice. And you realize and I think sharing in the human experience to that none of us are perfect and we're trying to figure out what this means together so really sharing in that experience. Together I think can be really bonding for Co workers and For patients alike of this connection like raw China while trying to do this thing together re trying to get through this. We can help each other so Rossouw. Todd raises all ships. Yeah I think that's the that'll be the key. Takeaways I think is one. It's it's GonNa be different for everyone. It's not just for relaxation. It's something you can incorporate into your life anyway any any aspect of your life you can probably find a way to be more mindful in And it's it's GonNa be very individual to Ye. Some people will need that structure of united say guided meditation. Other people might just sit out sodden. Look at the trees and listen to the buds. What is Guy Within Boparai? Mindfulness told me about that. I Know How many times have you said how? Can we incorporate mindfulness number like this? Is the perfect it? Just it's amazing so good it's like we've we've given so many plugs without even know aimo select plans that name well so Mindfulness ed started out really as a website for me to be able to share upcoming roques that I have so I am in salt. Lake City Utah at night primarily have been doing kids. Mindfulness groups so far for children ages eight to twelve. And I used Dr Amy Salts. Men's still quiet place curriculum. I'm trained in curriculum but it's also a free are not free. It's a book that you can purchase if say you have a child that you wanted to try some of the things that has a whole eight weeks laid out So it's something that F- people are interested they can definitely look into. It's called still quite a place But I'm certified actually to lead her programming or I took her training. I should say and so I teach as started out the website just as a way to let people know what groups I was running and things like that. But then also it's really evolved into. I have just had so many people reaching out to me asking how to learn more about mindfulness and mindfulness resources so I have just started recording more audio content coming back to my old podcast routes. So I don't have a podcast yet. My hope is robustly. I know we talked about mindful. Podcast it's GonNa be me but I started recording a different lessons. Basically that Different topic every week. So there's a topic on noticing your thoughts and feelings like we talked about There's one that talks about noticing positive events in our lives Or responding how do we respond to negative things happening in our life and so all that's available on my website incorporate mindfulness dot com? And if you go under mindfulness resources you'll see some audio content and that's free for anybody to listen to if you are interested in mindfulness or interested in and teaching your child. Mindfulness a lot of the audio content is tailored more to how to teach mindfulness to children. But I personally find that teaching it to mindfulness are teaching. Mindfulness to children has made the concepts a lot. More clear for me. I think that you just even adults. It's a lot more sense. That's really clear simple. Sometimes we just need some and they're typically not more than twenty minutes. I think is the longest. I have some audio content there I do retreats and And Different Lake work to building stuff so I have Resources there and things like that so but really I mean the my mission of incorporate. Mindfulness is My one of my sayings is creating positive change through more mindful moments. So that's really what my mission is that I truly believe that we can create positive change in our lives analyzed of our family members or friends or coworkers or patients through having more mindful moments and And that can be simple as just being present with that person or listening and talking and having a conversation instead of looking down at our fallen. I mean there's some many ways that we can have the mindful moments like we talked about and I I really do feel like there can be a ripple effect and a change. So yeah that's yeah that's kind of my hope is to Fred Mindfulness 'cause it's changed my life and I really like it can help others to vessel awesome. 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26: The One About Jim Carrey and Ariana Grande: Wednesday, February 12th, 2020

The Morning Toast

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26: The One About Jim Carrey and Ariana Grande: Wednesday, February 12th, 2020

"Good morning welcome back to the morning toast to day is sunny for the first time in New York in one week. The Sun has come out if you're watching live and you're like having a stroke literally. Something blue into her I. The second stream started Pinkai. It's like my worst nightmare is the worst thing you could possibly passively contract like second Karoon virus right in the world like in td. I actually think of all the things you could contrive. Pink is not that bad. I think I'd rather have an a CD then guy yeah well you're on the road at least in STD's like private and like you deal with it like pink is right there right until you take you take off from work. How can we was so common? When we your kids just because like kids are just got staring farting on each other's pill like wiping our asses and touching our high? Well I think is a thanks. Everyone for watching today. I hope you don't get it from the Youtube Stream We've got a busy busy show. Did you pump roles. I watched vendor pump rules. I also watch last night mick. Millions have you been hearing hearing about this documentary literally only you. Yeah because I've been seeing posters for it in the branding anything with McDonald's I will. A winner is a winner so I started to watch it. It's an HBO documentary about Out Do you remember in the nineties. I D I barely remember but in but like McDonald's used to run yes huge monopoly game in their restaurants I thought it was a monopoly board. That was like McDonald's brandon a worldwide thing where you got all these appeal golf club actually remember that so it turns out that in all of the AH eleven years that this program ran every single winner was actually related to one another and it was a legitimate and it was this whole scheme. Be How much money do they win. Like hundreds of millions of dollars. So the documentary goes through the FBI investigation about what. That's interesting. Is it a series or six part series. There's only two parts out so I wish I had started it. Because I'm binge watcher in the age of net flicks you can't. You can't put out a documentary that I have to wait week to week. It's a marketing thing like they remember the release. It's the first episode of Glee like six months before this everyone was singing. Do do dude stop believing they do it. To get people excited no and it's episodic it's not like they teased it. It's like a next week. One comes out. They released to in the beginning. They released one. Last week was week. Oh switches the regular. TV show six part series. This other about. I don't know documenting as I want to get the answers in one that was like the jinx that HBO did. It was a six part series. Also I couldn't get through the first three parts. It was so dense. HBO NEEDS TO. Ed like get off the series age of binge-watching also like with the jinx thing. The rapporteur story that was like one of those famous crimes like they were too many movies made about it like by the end by the HBO documentary. I'm sure it was good but like I had seen enough about it. I watched Ryan gosling movie. I watched the other documentary Mongolia. Whatever I saw practicing I never saw one what? Oh my God. That rubber story was actually super crazy. That's what happened with Ted Bundy. It's like all of a sudden. We were inundated with ten bundy stories. That's also having with snow. White remember. They made snow it at the Huntsman. I mean at the same time at the same time. They made Miramar that was weird. It's weird it's like. We have hundreds of thousands of years on this Earth GonNa release to Snow White movies the same year very strange inge but when it comes to certain crimes some some them get beaten to a pulp that it's like we don't need another documentary on Ted Bundy no matter which celebrities playing Ted by the I don't need another move except that the jinx chinks was incredible because they got him to admit on camera to what he did right and it was like a series of events. I never got to that point because it was so boring. Yeah yeah that's also like OJ. Simpson has now been beaten to a pulp. And I watched the thirty for thirty series and it was so boring. Like at least the Ryan Murphy was sexy celebrities John Travolta Kardashians. Oh my God. That's thirty for thirty. One was so boring like me and my girl literally fell asleep watching it. It was so so far. I think I watched that one. I don't know. Oj was just like such a cultural phenomenon. That I don't think it can be ever spoken about it too much because it was like so pervasive. Yeah but I need a break for sure I mean I could always go first more Jon Benet especially if. Hbo Once Capture Someone saying that they did it. There hasn't been like a dramatized version of Jon. Benet where like you know. Just Jacob Tremblay please Johnny's best friend or something. There hasn't been that yet but I very much. I'm looking forward to that possibly happening. I think they wouldn't do that until they know what happens until we can cause and they have to take a stance dance on who they thought it was. Yeah who would play Jon Benet though he maybe Juju days is that we're gonNA see trump late and I was actually thinking which young kid and all I could think. Was Jacob Tremblay when I was trying to make the Joe. I think that's it like do you remember susie salmon the lovely bones. Yes Sir Sharon iconic it grow people like you know Love Term Brooklyn. They loved her and little women but like I loved her. I in in the lovely bones which was a book right. It'd be good for your book club. I'm ready read it. That was actually a fucking amazing movie and Stanley. Tucci played the kidnapper murderer. When I sat next him on the plane I was like kind of talking to him about it? chugging never said ecstasy on the two channel played you know what did set sat sat next to Family Fuji. No you know I think I might have been sitting next you just regular baldness. Oh the guy from the kingsman who sings John Denver. The Bald Guy Galahad Oh had chucky. You Sat nobody Stanley Tucci. I sat next to him only two gene next to him. Jogging bald man like I hate to break it to you with Gaza's his after the Oscar's coach it was the next year round. Oh my God that's so funny. Okay I'll let you live in your fantasy. The taxi hat next to Galahad No. You didn't but by that character was iconic in the second kingsman iconic. I love the kingsman. I can't wait for the next one to come out. I can't believe I lived like five or however the long since been since the movie came out like without knowing I am like so into spy movies. Yeah the Kings in is so good both of them and I just love tagger. Ten love love. I Love Piers Morgan. Morgan it's Amanda bines. His Dad from what a girl wants Hugh Grant Colin Firth. Okay not to be confused with Colin Farrell. Not to be confused at all so all look like Piers Morgan Anyway. Today's also do your toaster. So we'll recap then appropriate. Then we'll jump into dear toasters which is our advice segment and we are looking for more submissions so mls dear toasters achieve dot com. Try Keep it interesting keep it fun keep it. Light will always keeping automous dear toasters a g love it. Sign on get advice. I think it's time to get into the stories that you yes you need to know before. Are you wake up and take a bite out of your morning toast. And that's definitely true and you know. Jackie I've nothing to say about that. You're for the first time in your career. You'RE RIGHT NO I. I was like back in the day before we had to work with us. Yeah but no Jackie. You're totally right. It is time I I have for the first. It's time in my life. I am not really speech. We actually have a great batch of stories today. Love Up to Europe and it's not every day you get great batches story. It's not every day that is for sure the damn you. What do we do yesterday? Oh my God we were so busy. was yesterday a busy ceremony life. Yeah meetings meetings meetings ooh bloggers with our meetings. I did a workout yesterday. That was just so hard to and but I do feel better about it today. Speaking of workout. Actually the great call upcoming project. I hate to be so annoying but the toasters are going to be so excited about it and I'm really excited about it and I know it's like speaking in tongues but it's annoying would you you say it's a secret project. Yeah I I don't WanNa you know. Would you say it's a special project. No I would say it's a secret project and I think the only people who could ever figured they want it to be the kings when they have their entire agency are the Statesman. They're pretty you know I'll do a little charades. Okay no you so hard for. We'd walk on three things right now. I just want to scream from the rooftops but I won't okay first story. Jussie smollet has been indicted in Chicago over allegedly stage twenty nine thousand nine attack who must see small okay. I remember him. He was on empire musty smell at on Tuesday was once again indicted for allegedly staging a hate crime attack against himself nearly a year after charges. In the case where abruptly draw if you're new here to the toaster fandom I suggest you just said maybe you after this episode go back and watch our episode. When this whole Jesse thing was happening because line of fucking crazy we really? We really highlighted how the story was so weird. Made even weirder by the fact that his name is Jesse and that his name should actually be Musi instead of Jesse. Because he's the Musi Bitch I know. Yeah or you know the French call him just as small. EA This this is been like the weirdest series of events because he was like the victim and then he was the criminal then they just dropped it and then they picked up and now we get back up like a year later and now he's indicted and I'm not mad about it. I just think the time line of events is incredibly weird. I don't know how the justice system works but it just seems like it. I wouldn't have guessed it works this way. Cook County Special Prosecutor. Dan Webb revealed the former Empire's star had been hit with six new counts of disorderly conduct accusing me of lying to the Chicago Police Department about the January. Anyway twenty nine thousand nine incident webs investigation revealed that smell at quote planned and participated in a staged crime attack and then quote made numerous false statements reporting reporting a heinous crime that he in fact knew had not occurred website in a news release. I mean that was the weirdest thing ever and when we think about this crime it's like well there's no victim like it's technically is a victimless crime. But it's like when you think about all the resources that police Chicago Police Department was putting into this like high profile investigation and that very acute head sheriff who got on the TV every every morning to talk about the case. I just justice for him. That's who I want. Justice for the crime was against the police departments since time and resources and intelligent taxpayer money. I mean when you come to the tax payers. We have no choice but to fight back choice but to stay on. Yeah I I know like I technically maximum the Jesse SMELLY 'cause I'm a tax paying citizen even I don't live in Chicago. I'm still tax. Payer Yeah Yeah. We're all victims of this crime. We should all riot in the streets. Okay this is just the craziest story. I can't believe it's back in the headlines. I know you know what I kinda missed it. Is that like fucked up to say it was so funny to report on because like the series of events was so strange like this thing happened and we reported and everyone had like the same tone in their voice about how a horrible this act was and like the real story that he was was was telling everyone was so unimaginably horrible like the hate crime and it was just. It was a sad day for everyone. It was just a roller coaster of emotions. But because they had like a little something in their head but no one was going to be the first person to say it. I didn't know and and not that I didn't want to say I had no clue. No all the borders in all the reporters do something is wrong but nobody wants to be the first person to say it never crossed my mind that that someone can make to bridge which forms such like a somber place to like a shocking place. Now it's like a joking play a joke. It's it's crazy also if you're new here to the I toasted you haven't seen Dave Chapelle special where he talks about. Who's you say smelly? It is one of the funniest things ever and I really think you should go watch it. Yeah French camper loves to say smelly well fringe campers also very much looking forward to justice being served. She's always looking forward to justice being served and the case. You're new here. I don't know why we have a million new subscribers. I just feel like we haven't done a recap like I like to talk to the toasters there new here but even though I know they're not I must be really frustrating to the people who actually live so totally. But if you're whatever I don't remember that's why justice being being served no I was going to explain What we say right Camper No? I'll explain her one time. I went okay ready for our next story because MacAulay Culkin is back in the news. This esquire article and it was asked buyer. Also he goes by MAC now. Did you see that no Kokin. It's on the cover top left in Makoko. Yeah love it. He wants to be known as Mac and I have no choice but to respect that. Okay mccully sorry Matt Culkin and and Brenda Song are trying to have baby now. I just needed to remind everyone that mcquilkin and prentice song are dating and we can never forget Jackie I needed absolutely we know reminder. Do you WanNa know why that I hung out with them at the. WWe Summer Slam. This says sound familiar then in I got invited to the WWe Summer Slam. which is not really anything I would would normally go to but then really wanted to Barclays Center and they were offering VIP experience? And I was like that's cool. We've got to go behind backstage. Trion all like the costumes and then there was like a little green room for celebs of wwe which included me and in walks macaulay culkin and Brenda Song. And I wasn't sure who to be more. Shukor London Tipton and or Kevin. mcallister so I think it was more shook at London. Tipton she really shaped me as a woman Back in the day so I did know that they were together and this is not shocking but I do feel sad for trace Cyrus Brenda songs one true love and I do feel bad for meal. Kunas MacAulay culkin's one. True love they used to do. What a weird couple big time? Odd couple UH-HUH I kind of ship these to just watch doll face in front of Song. Is Everything of this sort in it and I love the cheese back on the scene. She's in a that thriller movie on Netflix. That people love yeah where her husband like. Her cousin brings her home from the coma and like then she remembers that. It's not her husband. Oh I didn't watch it. I heard it was horrible and buzzfeed article but he did a hilarious article pointing out all the inconsistencies in the plot. It was so funny. That's the best part of the movie. That sounds really good. I don't watch scary movies. But maybe I would watch scary movies interesting factoid. In this article is that his brother. MacAulay culkin's brother is in succession. And now that I told you that do you know exactly who he is using. I walked you. Don't have to even watch the patch. No I've literally never seen a single person. He's going to be in succession. And I would have no idea no claude. You've seen this much we're gonNA show so you. I'm sure he just other stuff to go. Of course that's brother. Yeah and now you know exactly why they're the same. I'm GONNA totally was he in secondhand lions also so a great movie hold on. I'll find that's that's other hillel. Osman I get him confused with Macaulay. Culkin like young child stars. Secondhand Lions is such a beautiful movie like a cry every time is he oh I feel like he was. Oh God he's the brother and she's all that he's the brother inches all that yes rather in. She's all that cooking family. Hollywood royalty loyalty could all these credit. Second Brenda Song. I'm I just want to say I really respect a Hollywood couple. That just like states together very quietly for long periods of time. You know that's a you know it's real when they're not like shoving your their relationship in your face totally and the more like shoved a relationship is in your face to me the validity that has and that's all I have to say about that. There's something that I didn't use a story because it's not really news yet but you saw that Arianna gratin. Day was like making out blurry photo of her making out with someone in a bar in Florida or something. Yeah in California but then I heard a rumor that it's Jim Carey. Excuse me yeah and apparently like. That's what the blinds have been saying. The toasters posters like said that they think it's Jim Carey. Then I googled Arianna Guerande Jim. Carrey had just worked together and they were raving about each other now like thinking that they might api hooking up like it all makes sense. Okay just pause for five a pop star I did. This is not like blowing my mind on because I just saw a picture of them. He is like a kid's show or something like a weird cartoon something and she just did like a cameo on it so I didn't know that they had been like in the same road risk. We got there and like she loves him she is such weird tasted men. That like. This doesn't surprise me not at all and you remember his last girlfriend very very sad. She ended up committing suicide. We ask very young. He loves a young woman so this is like I kind of ship. I Dunno it just grows because like so old and she's so young but like I don't know it's it's Kinda cold like Arianna grenade could have any man in the world like literally athlete Popstar Rapper. Like she could have anyone no matter. How rich how poor how hot? How tall are short? And she chose Jim Carey like the funny guy. Here's the thing it's unfounded. This very allege may not be true but who would make this up no totally now and he says you better look at the picture even though you really couldn't see that it was him At all there's nothing that makes me think it's him other than the fact that I read it in a comment. No it now now that you told me that conference it's one hundred percent true. Yeah I feel like. That's so our East vibe. No totally. She has literally the worst taste and Manu no worse just strange. It's strange or the place rage and Chevy obviously likes a funny guy she liked. Pj what she makes like not conventionally hot guys hot like no one really w Davidson. Was that Jim Carrey. The only reason I think this is like so crazy because if it was like a woman of course and in the roles were reversed we would not be saying. This is cute so to be fair really. I think that when it comes to age. I'm totally impartial. Like I think like Samantha and Smith Jared so cute and I think if it was reversed I love it too but like we can't get over Sophia Richie and Scott. We Love Them. We Love them but every time we say we love them we have have to say the age difference. And so I love Jim Carrey Guerande and I will mention the age difference anytime we talk about them in the future okay. I think that's fair. Totally impartial when it comes to like cougars. Verse Bachelors Okay. Hey I would love to. I would love to be impartial. Society hasn't caught up with me like a modern woman but I think personally when I speak on age relationships with huge disparities in age I speak about it the same whether whether the older person is the man or the woman I would love to get to a place where this show is age blind yet just like shark tank and we just know they are very age aware. No I don't see age I don't have you seen my talk. I don't see age okay. I'm really people. Were leaving the meanest comments on my take to instagram like co being linked to trends sounds like so many o- could be worse video up of that. Rachel Song which I love. I just have a racist for Rachel. You big wine nasty smell and fat bitch why you took me up the motherfucking schedule with your tribal dirty white racists ask Big Fat Bitch Blue Body yes bitch. I'm coming up there and I'm going to beat the fuck that bitch. It's like a it. Was this voicemail. That went viral woman. Remember when people were like dancing to voicemail yes so this. This girl left a voicemail Rachel who allegedly took her off schedule and left. This is really nasty skating message and some turned into a song they put a beat behind it. And it's actually a Banger at the club. I'd be like this facial you big Fat White Nazis Ledge Ledge. Maybe it's like an old trend for the youngsters before the Ulster's like me I'm just the it sounds a little bit familiar but it's not over to me yet so I feel like you're really like bringing in a new wave of yoga and that's why they hate me. Yes what were we talking about. Jesse Jackson Perry and Ariana Grande Day carries also just like an interesting felling accusing fever. Comedian growing up. I really love him. I want happiness or him. I loved his episode. Comedians in cars getting caught me to have his Ferrari and like I really have. I no choice but to ship. No common crazy like I don't think it's that weird even though like if you had told me like hypothetically these two people would maybe allegedly be getting together like you would think it's so weird eared but I don't know I think it's kind of cute. Yeah I like the most so much metoo. Jim Carrey seems dark though the teams but all Comedians do Ari right anyway. I think I think you sharing that with me. I hadn't heard that and I love like an unfounded like random rumor that never ends up being true but we could hypothesize about what it would be like. If Arianna Grad the Jim Carey didn't date for just a minute but it could happen. I never thought she would be with Pete Davidson ever like. It's not that crazy like their age appropriate. When when I heard it I was like? Oh this isn't true. I believe Jim Carey quicker than I believe Davidson. She just has such an ECLECTIC taste in men. That like. This doesn't surprise me like you could tell me she was dating like pee. Abi Herman and it'll be like so cute. You know. I just don't think it's weird okay. Well next story switching gears a little bit Kobe Bryant and his daughter John. I have been caressed two weeks after the tragic helicopter crash. Oh I thought they were gonNA televise it or something. Certain high profile celebrities have televised the Franklin. We're on our underground. They saying they have big because so many people were like one more part of it. Yeah I thought they might do something like that no the NBA Legend and his thirteen year. Old Daughter had been laid to arrest. News can confirm the private Los Angeles funeral comes just two weeks. After the pair along with other passengers tried to pilot. Charlie passed away in a helicopter crash Though the ceremony was held privately public memorial will be held on February twenty four th at the staple center in downtown. La Got Giving fans an opportunity to pay their respects we. We are one city that believes in each other believe in something bigger than ourselves. The mayor said we will absolutely do everything to make sure that this is done so that everybody can come to it as well. Then that's that's really nice I'm so glad that this was private. And that so far. I haven't seen any Paparazzi pictures like when proxy goes go to funerals. I think most inappropriate thing like. I'll never get over those pictures of Bethany crying Brian. When at the burial site for tennis like some fucking respect is there no line in journalism? None so I'm glad that it was private actually like like we're able but I'm like living for Vanessa. Bryant like really being so public about her like she's posted a lot on instagram long captions about how she's struggling. She can't even begin to mourn Kobe. She doesn't even realize that he's gone because all she can focus on the fact is that her daughter is not here and she's like I feel so bad because I'm not giving proper morning but she's like I know that's just a part of grief she just being so open about it which I think is really cool. Yeah I I I think it's. It's nice and I'm glad she's able to talk in like to process. Yeah just continues to be like the craziest story. Like I don't know if I'll ever get over it now. I don't think you're ever supposed to. I think it's one of those things that you'll always think about. I don't just make you think about life differently and make you really realize there are certain things that make you realize like life is so short. Yeah and like really anyone diet any moment like they always say like you know. Will you smoke cigarettes. But I could also get hit by a car actually could actually get hit by a car. It's taking Jessica Simpson's book Which I did start last night so I would absolutely adore? If you could stop spoiling it really yes so I was actually reading and like I read one thing that you had mentioned and I'm like Oh you know what I would have loved to have read that with a fresh mind. I don't remember something interesting about Because the beginning all that childhood. No it's just in the intro like it's really it was like a small thing but would ruin it and you're making me not wanna read it so if you could just stop. Well if you could speed it up so we could recap party of one is is such a good song that you love her so much. It just like can't believe how can actually was to Jessica Simpson as a child and forgot about her for the last ten years like I feel bad but she wanted us to to forget about her she did it. She such an anomaly to me I know and like I just wanted to know what the inside of her house looks like. I'm dying to now. Yeah I'm sure it's beautiful. I know she's so wealthy and she's like so still like southern which like she's lived in La for like thirty years and it hasn't changed herself even in her book. You know the way that she speaks. It's like like she's still asleep. That same girl. Yeah I like that pay next story. It's what they say about us like they're like the biggest podcast in the world but they're still just those regular Jewish girls from Long Island. I hope that they say about us. Like Oh my God. They've grown so much they don't even say like anymore. Even though I got a bunch of messages about the hypocrisy of US talking about how frequently they were using the word like on the Bachelor yesterday when apparently yesterday's episode that was riddled with likes from us. Okay Talk to you all the time and yes we say like in conversation station just like anyone. Our Age does the level that it was on the bachelor is not comparable agree. It's not it's on a different level tele. I'm not saying that we're perfect ached. Were not even good to go. We're not bachelor level K Have we indicated A. Oh and they're edited. We're right imagine. Imagine like say cut out because they know how torturous it is according to Jimmy Kimmel yet. Monday night's episode of the Bachelor had like two hundred and twenty nine times. which honestly I didn't think was so bad? No that's not imagine how many they cut out. How grateful conversation? How many left on the cutting room floor exactly yeah? I don't think we've given a programming update that we are not going to be left morrow or Monday. We're not live tomorrow. Say Sorry Friday. no-show Friday Monday because we are taking a long weekend for Valentine's Day. Sasha my anniversary slash Ben's going to aspen with his friends so literally home alone and a third trip honestly. Yeah like I was thinking maybe going to La but like every time I go to La. But when I get back Galway's regret going to La without me because it's my favorite place you're going to La we have to make a week of La. No I just like doing like little trips. LX I feel really famous in La. And I needed I and you look a little bit of like a boost in confidence. Yeah maybe if you move there for six months like you would feel amazing. Maybe but maybe not I just feel like La has such good coffee Offi and like you know we're has disgusting Coffee New York New York City New York City. You like why is New York known for its coffee. I didn't Dan do get arrested here for a cup of coffee. That was good. What are they talking about when they talk about New York coffee? Do they talk about it. The pizza in New York. Maybe they don't talk you. Don't talk about coffee. I feel like La Coffee Dallas coffee simple girl when it comes to coffee. I and I think that if you actually went to like those carts like the HAL carts like did those blue cops that are like so by. Connie I actually think you might like it. Okay I'm going to try it. Go on like a coffee tour New York. 'cause you guys have really been struggling in our new studio to get location wise. I'm kind of over the KEURIG machine. I use one at home but everyday we day I just like I hate drink it so glad that you made us by one and unlimited Scott asks. Nobody's that liberty. It's nice to be able to offer someone a cup of coffee. Remember that timing of those as resume favorite story about Claudia. You had like you were doing a shoot. We embedded series for snapchat and they wanted to film in our house so we did a whole crew Mahara hair makeup. I'm like does anybody want anything like water. I really nice apartment and you wanted to be like the house where there's everything and I had everything. I had the chargers. I really wanted to be the house. It's like everyone could come over and no one would have to leave. I got you. Yeah you any drink you want like it's just great to me. That House like Soda snapple. Water Seltzer FRESCA. Everything and it was offering everyone. My drink sent a couple. Maybe some of the hair makeup people were able to get coffee and I was like okay. I'm like I don't have coffee. How do you how do you make coffee? I don't I don't drink bring coffee and I guess like you put a pot. I literally don't know coffee machine. Yeah I don't have that I never have those really funny story. Maybe had had to be there. Yeah you definitely okay next door latch talk about takes talk about your roles Gabrielle. Union introduces twelve year olds Zayed to the world quote. She's whip smart right and we are so proud on Tuesday Gabrielle. Union shared a series of heartwarming tweets raving over her husband. Dwayne Wade's daughter. Ziya quote meets Iowa. She's Compassionate Loving Whip smart and we are so proud of her union road alongside of video. Zaia who can be heard stressing the importance of being true to yourself quote. It's okay to listen to love and respect your your children exactly as they are love and light good people so this is so sweet. Dwayne Wade was on Ellen. Yes that's how I heard about it. Oh I saw the tweets leads even though I follow Gabrielle Union on twitter and I don't know why I wouldn't have seen this but I saw the way he was speaking about how I think it's his child from a former marriage. Career Union is not his biological article clear yeah drain. Wade's daughter so I saw him speaking about it on Ellen and I thought it was so sweet like I feel like like this is new territory for a lot of parents and I think this is a shining example of how you just embrace. Your kids coming out is themselves. Yeah it's really beautiful. He said me and my wife Gabrielle. Union are proud parents of a child in the LGBTQ plus community and we are proud allies as well we take our roles and are responsible responsibility responsibility as parents very seriously so when our child comes home with a question when a child comes home with an issue when a child comes home with anything. It's our job as parents to listen to that to give them the best information formation that we can to give them the best feedback that we can and that doesn't change because sexuality is now involved in it totally. I think that this was like so. I was like getting choked up watching the one thing. I just thought it was so great. I have seen on both Gabriel unions. And Dwayne Wade's instagram. Pictures of their family. And people say the meanest were like saying the things about their former son he was like crop tops and he was so cute and like so like himself and Dwayne Wade Gabrielle. Union like never waved in their defensive him and like we're always standing up for him and I would just thought it was so cool. You know you don't see that every day and two. I just think that this is great to really beautiful. They're beautiful family and I actually have absolutely. We literally like GonNa have no choice. Yeah none none whatsoever but but to stand and also they're younger baby. Is The cutest little baby. Yeah I've ever seen in my life so they've got it all going on. I'm quite happy for them. Yes me too okay. Through the final story speaking of coffee. Your caffeine fix Pepsi's new product. His nearly twice as much caffeine as regular soda. Thank God but Mike. It's rival coke. Pepsi is launching a new coffee. Infused Cola you guys. Oh my God what are they do do that. I could use diet coke with more caffeine me too. But here's my logistical question. Obviously this is something people want. Because Pepsi and coke are the biggest brands in the world and they didn't not not do mark. It's like a chocolate home. It's like somebody wants it but when am I supposed to drink. I drink coffee in the morning but why would I am. I going to drink soda. First thing in the morning rots your teeth. I'M GONNA wait till three o'clock. Yeah I know that like there's probably someone who's looking forward to this but I just have to say this is a product that nobody needs and while Pepsi and Coa in their labs like making new formulas. I would really really eleven appreciate a diet coke with caffeine. That actually has kept the like. I know some people like Ben's mom like we're out to dinner. She loves dike. But you won't have to. I Cook dinner because she won't be able to fall asleep when like what are you talking talking about like Jayco midnight and falsely twelve one. I just can't relate so I could really use. They need caffeine free. Diet coke regular coke with caffeine and then die cope with actual caffeine name. Well I mean the Guy Coke. Caffeine is seventy milligrams. That's it's nothing I've never felt more awake because of diet coke in my life because you drink too much and they've never been able to not sleep because I had a coke recently. Yeah I wouldn't even know I wouldn't. I would have no idea that DIKO COD caffeine. If somebody hasn't told me that got a few years ago and I know that you gold and silver diet coke like silver doesn't have Kevin. It's a new. I know literally there the same day interesting. Well I'll try it because I'm on this journey to try every coffee America yet you know where has the best. Where's the best coffee you've ever had in the POCONOS? Oh Yeah Boris right by toews. Those tickets are sold out. Sorry should we do roles Yes okay I had a really interesting time watching approach because they watch it later and and she was live tweeting and I found it really interesting to see. She defended her imporant behavior. And oh I can't she didn't. She literally was responding to people being like. You're so embarrassing. She's like. I know I was like in a really bad spot like she does it every season I know no one will season have to respect someone who publicly like owns their shit and doesn't defend poor behavior. Will I think when watching it. Back like her behaviors indefensible. At least like yes. She's smart enough to know that she's not going to like defend that but next season's going to be the same bullshit literally been like this for eight seasons where all of her behavior like is immature and embarrassing and there's no growth. There's no Aleutian okay. So we had pride tom-tom end sir. Tom Tom the shiny new toy like nobody wants to go to it. Like so dirty like I would have rather been atop time. And that's where all all like British saucy we're up because they didn't have to work la La James. Dj He's soldier gang. Was that across Amigo sponsored cup. ooh I don't think so. Maybe Castle asked me go sponsored. Spies time because they have those cups right. It's US those cups Tom. Tom Is really like for the alumni and Sir is for the freshman totally. They were both behind the Tom Jackson bartending. Oh the suspended manager like literally running around telling Jackson to chat about the bar like I know everyone probably thought on twitter. Everyone's like jugs is he's not going to help. Set up this girl. I totally got why he was being dicky's ignore. I don't do that like I'm literally not not even being paid to be here like I'm here so that people will come to sir. I'll stand behind the bar but I'm gonNA fucking cutting lemons. I actually totally understood. I completely understand him in like they were one person down in every every category when it's like this suspended manager is the manager and it's her job to make sure that they're overstaffed not regular staff and then some people don't show up every single person working like that's on the suspended manager and also serves a shit show where the fuck was Lee sound like it was such a mess added to bartenders. What the fuck and Jackson? You can't count checks as a bartender. Tender he's a celebrity. You Know Jack is like a like a show pony for prize mannequins not there to actually be slinging drinks so suspended manager talking to him like I guess technically she's the manager but like talking to him like she was his boss. It's like girlfriend. No that's not how this works. No that's not how any of this hierarchy is so interesting because technically the manager is above the bartender. Jack Is. That's her boss. But it's like no that's not. Actually how work Halloween at this event right so it was just so funny to see like her being like all pissy you see that he wasn't going to get back in like start prepping literally not what he's here to do no James D jade. They said he did a great job. Katie being so funny I mean like yeah it was actually my idea the have you. Dj delirious she hear him he in law had a conversation which I found to be so interesting. I've forgotten about all that stuff and I didn't realize that James Like Hop on the bandwagon to get likes and honestly that pissed me off to yeah and lawless. Just to forgiving know what. She's so smart because it's like she's not going to wage world war three with James like she's just telling him like you're still not grown. We can't be friends. I can't wait around for you. Wish you the best rate like she gave him the chance. Yeah no she's being so mature about it yes. She looked sick. I can and I think also for her to be sober and then be friends with someone whose behavior is so up and down due to alcohol like it must be difficult for her. Yeah Yeah I actually who's grown on me in the last three seasons more than any other person on the show is Arianna like she's on the right side of history when it comes to like Tom and like the drama but it just really like her and I thought it was cute and she was like getting all like email about the fact that surfer I pride beaming openly blocked by and she brought her little by flag and I just like her. Yeah I like her too. He's like woke woke person. Yes she seems like a good human yes and when she's in her own situations I I do enjoy her story. But sometimes she like with Tom. Sandoval whose Madonna Madonna apparently. Yeah it's he by the he's out of control and his EGO is so big like it's really affecting the show and he brings her down a little bit talk to me Tom. Sandoval is like really nothing of the sort. He's a cast member. He's been there from the beginning but the success of the show has very little to do with him right and so for him to like think I think that he is Marilyn Monroe. It's just Ireland Sandoval. It's nothing of this sort. No He's the definition of Tom. Monroe you know what you know. What actually happened? Somebody I to him and told him that he was really like the protagonist of the show and like he put the whole trauma and he's nothing like that. He's literally nothing of the sort when like Tom. Schwartz is the perfect example. Sample of how you should behave. Like he loves it he feels like a Rockstar. He's having fun but like he's not it's not going to his head he doesn't take it too seriously. Like how many times Thompson of all GonNa Literally Stop. The pride partied. Make an announcement that he was so glad everyone could come. Oh my God more than one. Any speech so unnecessary Do not show up for her Sir Thing I know that like it's so easy to hate Marquel and she should have shown up but I thought that the way that she reacted to exactly how you act like if he was james he would be like. Oh Oh man. Lisa told me to come yet but I work all night. I feel like she was really sorry. Jackie I agree. I think she missed it on purpose. But I think and when you're talking to your boss she had respect. She was apologetic. I totally agree and she she owned it but in my ability totally lost me last night when she kicked Matair appointment like what. You're going to come to demand. Here's the thing I I agree. And she never really had any so I didn't especially spineless. She is someone who is like teetering on the edge of being on the show. It's really Sheena show when it comes to the freshman now and whatever she says goes for her because she's a follower I don't refer back to you believe she's a follower and that was disappointing. Because I love Dana I loved eight conversation in the back. Alley was everything. Are you thirty five or are you sixteen. Yeah and she says just talk about it you know. She wouldn't let her off like she just kept giving these bullshit excuses and Tena wouldn't let the conversation and it's like until Sheena was broke down crying right and she was going to do better right like this. This conversation was the combination of a bunch of bullshit all. She thought she could get away with it just being like you know like they got territory. I'm really sorry. That's not enough. She it's not fucking enough. No not at all and I I. I'm sure she is going through a tough time. Making life is a tough time. It is but they're open up and share with us. I can't I can't and they're having really tough times that she's been going through and also with friends one fucking time with the comedy club like that that one situation warrants a whole pack when she was saying she was like. I'm not jealous about about Max. It's like no I'm jealous about a million other than Max and Dana are so cute like waking up in her apartment together. I love them and I hope that it doesn't turn out to be like he's fucked boy walking around on her because it'll make her look so stupid but I love them together. I don't even think would make her look stupid. Like you have to be able to try and open up towards electronic suspended manager. She we know like pulling her over. Like I'm just looking out for you. Then it can be like we really were looking out for you. I just don't want them to win. Yeah because I love Danish litter my favorite character and and you know what I like. Her conversation pursue journaling. And I was just GonNa say that rejectly backed she literally won him over in two minutes totally. Because she's just she's not she's gone she's really really not trying to like ride anyone's coattails like she just on the show and she wants to make it on her own volition on her own like being funny and and I think Jack's respected that because I think Jack's doesn't like all these new the people coming in just like trying to become famous for show where Jackson really bled out for like he's been the villain like I totally get why he hates the new people but I think he immediately respected and I didn't fault him for not remembering bring her from the Montreal either outside the whole time yeah and I to him. Those were just random girls. Yeah I I don't know that I would have remembered either. No me neither. I didn't even remember until she saw that. I thought that was just a little petty but it was funny. Jax Barely remembers anyone. Anyone let alone actual people. He's not expected to remove. I'm so glad you thought that was a memorable moment because I thought that conversation was like my two ships coming in. Yeah next week. Looks show interesting where it's like. We're getting into political correctness where it's like cancel culture because we all know what happens now but there was a backlash about Britney and taxes pastor that they chose from I think he was from Kentucky her church he had said some crazy shit on facebook about gay people and they didn't end up canceling him until he said something to them and launch pass ended up doing it which I thought was hilarious. I was wondering who roundup marrying them ask you. I just can't wait for the wedding episode because I need to see if I'm in the background like Julie like an animal. They cancelled that pastor two weeks before. And that's that's what they were saying so the Family should probably be the wedding or we could you right. You know. We're getting close. We are how many episodes INA ray. I don't know I was wondering that too because it's still feels like this season hasn't started. I know I get so lost in a bravo season and then all of a sudden. It's like we just started. Or sometimes it just drags on forever. I feel like this season of Atlanta is dragging on so along like it started out so strong and I can't even finish episodes now. I spend Kenya to be just the most imporant. Like she's just she's horrible like I just. I hate her. No she's just so unethical and I know that's weird like pull out ethics on reality show but these align there's a lion down the road but there's line and everything she does is just so terrible she called Tanna who's by China's what's annoying on planet earth but she's one of those girls that knowing but nice she's overwhelming with her kindness and her like giddiness that you just WanNa be coders seaward at lunch for pulling out Kenya's wig out of a bad like it just didn't weren't being called the c word and I just think she crosses the line and I'm really over her like she's just she's not she's nothing of the sort. I wouldn't even give her that complement. She just really not even like part of the sort. She's a bad person like that's crazy to San Reality. TV when like nobody's really like an angel. Yeah but she's a bad person and she tried to ruin her friends engagement on purpose. And I I can't I need to talk about one thing. Sheena on that man shoulders and then refusing to open her leg and head locking him into thighs on the sweaty Serras de kept La when this sheriff had just carried Lisa an apparent down the street and then put she literally on his bat. Yep I just went you absolutely right that up open. I'm so glad you brought that up because first of all I want to talk about that man for a second. The hero of pride legally sent her broken toe not just like an old woman. She couldn't walk. Ah Yes and. She's like a drama queen but I thought he was so cute like she made a joke to one of the police officers about carrying her. Then here comes this big strong man in the character and then carry and he was just like an unsung hero of the episode but when she was being like oh the legs with her with his head coming out of her legs. I let them add up. I WANNA say like that's harassment. Like I amended that to a woman I would do if I somehow found myself in that position. He signed a release because his face was blurred yet. Nuno I would sue her her. Of course that was caught terrible and her like giggling looking at the camera I had to pause because they couldn't get over it because it was so everything I've seen on reality TV. That was the most shocking thing the group and the terrible terrible liberal toasters. Yes our advice segment please. If you want any advice from us we always keep it anonymous. Toasters gmail.com story number one. Do your cloudy and Jackie Doc as the subjects has my best friend's seriously smells. The smell isn't but something else. The best way to describe the smell as dirty clothes that had been sitting on our floor that are animals. Have Pete enrolled around on that. She doesn't Wash Josh but she keeps. Swearing is unlike anything I've ever smelled before and I almost gagged just typing this because I feel as though I got a wolf of the stench. I've I noticed when friends were out of town. Visiting brought ended up to me. I then started noticing when she would get in and out of my car when she would give me a pair of pants tomorrow and they reeked of dirty clothes that had been sitting on the floor while animals peed on them and possibly Shit Question Shen is how do I tell her. Can I tell her. How can you not know it was honestly? It is honestly become unbearable to the point where I can't stand too close to her. I don't want people to think it's me that smells when we're out together love you both. Okay really awful and like if okay if she's not just if you're not that close with her. I would just end the friendship but if you are close with her and and you WanNa make it work. It's possible that she doesn't have a sense of smell and not so i. She doesn't know we have a friend like that. Who is always asking if she smells because she can't smell Redo? Yeah we do we tell me who it is later. Yeah I mean it's and she's always overcompensating for it because she knows that she can smell interesting to me so I would. Just if it's really that rancid I would be straight up. Maybe right in anonymous letter like you have to tell this person or else. You can't be like God forbid someone thinks that you smell like animal piss honest smell like be oh honestly I always put myself in a position of the person who's being told that they smelled. It would be so grateful and mortified that. I knew that I smelled for so long but that I won't smell in the future. Maybe she doesn't know someone came to me and said like listen. I I like this like an interesting intervention. You Know Me and you're you're listening to this and I ever smell. Please tell me yes new or other one time. Cut me a break. But if I if I am the smelly friend right downing you tell me that I would change everything about my life would be so grateful I would be overwhelmed. I would be the best person you ever met so gipper that chance. If she doesn't take the date then you know what. I think. There's something wrong there but like you have to think. Maybe she doesn't know I don't know how she couldn't but maybe not yet no. Maybe she doesn't have a sense of smell. All right next up high quality and Jackie recent toaster. I told you their new toasters and I actually haven't seen just found the toes I know so I just want to want them to feel left out when we're talking about like we're Chit Okay Fine. I need some advice on how to approach my sister to give a little context. I got married last year to my high school sweetheart after planning for a year and out of nowhere my sister who was my maid Bonner calls me a month before my wedding to ask me if I will go to her elopement in Vegas. I didn't go yes. It was upset but we also couldn't afford it so we found out I'm pregnant and we're so excited but when I told everyone she she became salty that I didn't tell her I was trying. We weren't now every time we hear news about my sister's about my sister. It's it's about how hard she is. She's trying to get pregnant now. My my question is am I thinking too hard that my sister my thunder in life. I can't seem to get a little spotlight especially when it came to my wedding. My first pregnancy. Now how do I build a better bond with my sister. My Jealous Jealous One. I'd love to hear about how wonderful sisters think. Love being toaster and Lovey. Both that's interesting Chelsea so weird seeing as how everyone is jealous of me. Well I know things literally jealous of every time. I think I can speak on this better than anyone. You know what you just gotTa let go like. I'm jealous of everything that everyone has. It really ruins my life like I feel like I'm not happy about the things that I have because I'm always looking over my shoulder about what my friends and family have and it's a terrible way to live so I think that that you need just like absolve yourself of all this Chelsea whether whether it's like you think she's jealous or you're just think what you just gotTa let go. They like being jealous. A little bit jealous of someone when something good happens for him. I think that's human nature so of course so I think it's okay when something happens you can have a moment of jealousy but then over like acknowledged to yourself that you're jealous and then be happy for this person also. It seems like she does all these things to get attention. But it also seems like your life is wonderful and you had a wonderful wedding and you got pregnant ignition unexpectedly in like you just have all. rivulets a clamoring stealing her thunder gives her a little bit of happiness. Like let her have it because it seems like you have a lot cecchi Jackie. That was literally. I think to say some of the best advice you've ever given thank you. It's hard to not see. It's like the girl who wrote in like can't see that but as is a third party perspective just the way she describes. It seems like she really has her life together and her sister's kind of having a harder time give it to her jell together. You have the dream wedding and and the pregnancy and all that happiness and you don't also get adoration album. Everyone needs a little something. If that's what she needs she just feel okay. Let her a habit that was in such good advice shook. I'm okay our third and final toasters so about a month ago my dad and my brother down to tell us that when he was a medical school he made money anybody being a sperm donor. He explained it as something that was normal for guys back in the eighties. They were promised absolute anonymity when he met my mom. She asked him to stop and he did thirty years later. Thanks to twenty three and me. These children have began tracking down messaging my extended family in attempts to connect with their biological father. This is my dad finally told me and my brother he was worried that we would find find out somehow if one of them message us on social media basically these companies screwed up the whole anonymity thing. That's terrible by the way. One of the donors contacted. My Dad threw his cousin since the donor children grew up rush live in the same city as us. She asked to my dad he met up with her and they couldn't believe how many things they had in common and how much she looked like me. They kept in touch after their meeting and she told my my dad. There were more kids that she had found. It's so weird to me that they want to meet him because they were all coming from families with parents and other siblings. But I can't relate anyways. Here's my question. Should I go with my dad to meet some of them. My brother and I are not interested in taking it to that level because it's all just so weird and uncomfortable task however I do want my dad to be going through this all alone. A lot of these donor families keep in touch by creating facebook groups on my God where they post pictures of themselves as kids compare similarities etc.. My Dad made one of these and the New People are fully rolling in posting actively. He seems so happy. Despite my brother and I wish he would just chill forces situation help. Please wow this is like. I've never felt so complete vince. VAUGHN movie the delivery man I know and you know what I really feel like. Not Enough people are talking about. How twenty like companies like twenty three and me are ruining those anonymity like clauses when you donate sperm and if someone was generous enough whether they were doing it for for money whether they were generous enough to help another couple of children like I feel like this is so fucked up like we'll get to the house she should have the basis of this man not being protected acted anonymity wise when he was just doing? Like a charitable cause. Yes who's being paid for it but like your promised that anonymity and you don't have that anymore. I think that's really fucked up. I shouldn't be at he and and his kids should not have to be dealing with us because when he signed up it was under the pretense that this was all completely anonymous. Yeah I feel like we should have figured this out like nobody thought of this. It's DNA it sucks. It's fair yeah this should have to be dealing with this. No but also like these kids deserve. I don't know do. They deserve to meet their biological father other when they come from loving parents who uses farming. I don't know I don't know either. These are I've never thought about these issues. I don't have a imagine if we found out like our dad was I. I just can't but like I think for us. If we found out that we had other people out there with our DNA were our dads biological kids. We would be so excited because it would be like no I would not be excited. Oh my God I would be so excited. I'm GonNa be like Ju stole my DNA. Get here no I WANNA be excited. Oh I think I would view weird. I only conflicted but I think ultimately it would be exciting to meet someone. WHO's so similar to us in like a piece of our dad? No deal like not alive. Yeah but I feel so fulfilled with my family. Don't need more. I'm not looking for new family members. Like if you discover take yourself that I do think like because this is such a big thing in their family. It's not really something that they can ignore especially because it makes their dads so happy so because it makes them so happy do not feel obligated to go with him and make him do it alone because he's happy he's doing it alone just choice but I think they need to figure out this relationship where it's like their family members but they're not siblings know. The facebook group is weird. But it's like a big family reunion. I don't know they seem I if this was happening all the time I I don't know how people should handle it but because it's like a one off crazy situation and it's like three identical strangers it's like there's these people out there who aided in their case there are one hundred percent you yes and how can you grow your whole life not knowing them. It's just free this. This is something like I can't relate to anyway but I just like to think like if I was in that situation. I don't think I would be so mature. No I think I would be really conflicted on the one hand. It's like no I like my life. I want to keep it this way. I don't want New People but on the other hand it's like these people are fifty percent. You know how can you turn your back to yourself. I think I could I really do. And and maybe would love them because they're so similar to you like more Claudio. God Ma. Maybe it's Chelsea kicking in but like I'm completely uninterested. I would feel I think it would be very normal to feel like get the fuck outta my face hoe. Nobody asked for you right but when you take big picture look at it is kind of a cool. We'll thing as long as they're not asking for something or want to be ready money. No I'm not interested but I wish you luck in this country. Cernan Eagle Case. Yes biological logical children if you want to get some advice emails. Steer toasters at Jamal Dot Com. That's got you guys. Thank you so much for listening to the morning. Does the millennial radio morning show where we where we go live Monday through Friday ten thirty. 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Michelle Williams on the Best Day to Be an Actor

Little Gold Men

1:16:02 hr | 1 year ago

Michelle Williams on the Best Day to Be an Actor

"Hello and welcome to little gold men the award season podcasts for vanity fair. It's such an honor to present this next award the nominees and the uh scrupulously and i can't deny the fact that you like me on the mistake like you guys won best picture. I'm katie rich the deputy editor of vanity fair dot com and i'm here with our chief critic richard lawson hello and are seen redder joanne robinson heike any this week we are thrilled to have the first installment of our little goldman book club and we have a really special guests guests for it. Vanity fair's editor in chief <unk> jones is going to join me and joanna to talk about louisa may alcott little women which is going to be film this christmas directed by greta gerwig you may i have seen a feature about it with a lot of i look photos in vanity fair recently and in the end of the week's episode we're going to share interview that richard did with michelle williams who is in a movie he called after the wedding that is out this week and also is emmy nominated for fosse verdon. We've talked a lot about her recently but i just going to catch up on the bits of news that are out there about the movies we have our eye on and i it's been kind of a big rush of fall movie trailers lately that quieted down a little bit but there was this pretty impressive trailer thought for nine hundred seventeen <hes> world war one movie by san mendis. It was kind of one of the question marks we had with all these fall festival since it hadn't shown up anywhere now. There's a trailer. Would you think of it. I think it's interesting that there's dunkirk prequel. I mean boys running around in the mud. It's a strong genre yeah exactly. I mean i joked because the trailer is cut in such a way in scored in such a way that it's clearly trying to draft off of dunkirk. I mean even kind of a ticking clock sound in the nine hundred seventeen trailer which was a huge part of <hes> dunkirk <hes> oral aesthetic <hes> other than that. I mean it. You know it looks interesting. I'm a sucker for war. Movies movies weirdly even though there's a lot about movies you know that i shouldn't like but yeah i'm curious to see what mendez does now that he's <hes> free of the the bond world yet like they the way they emphasize like he is the director of sky fall and then move on that is the only thing that they wanna talk about him and he's made. I don't know if you know this about me katie but that i really enjoy the actor richard madden and we've never talked about him yeah. This is the first time that i've ever mentioned it. I believe <hes> and he is in this film and i think what's also got a tomen breath. Ian who's dean charles. Chapman is his name the dean charleston it does unlimited at cumberbatch. A former british internet boyfriend now replaced by richard madden probably apparently into scots in there too. I'm now looking at the listen realizing. There's a real murderer's row in here yeah but then like a whole bunch of anonymous yeah very dunkerque. It's true it's true yeah. I'll be i'll be curious. George mackay who i think is kind of the lead the sort of gain a higher profile because i feel he's someone who's been simmering for a while. He was the kind of eldest son in candidate like and he's been a few other things where he's the lead in pride which is a great little um gay rights but also labor politics <hes>. He's he's hamlet in daisy ridley's affiliate. That's so i don't know be interesting to see if he can finally crack through the american consciousness <hes> with this movie which you no promises to be pretty big yeah. There's also a colin firth in what from the trailer disappear the kenneth branagh in dunkirk role. I mean i like dunkirk a lot so if this really is just trying truly trying to be dunkirk and not just market from the trailer. I'm kind of find with that. I've question has there ever been a bad coal miner movie. I don't think he thinking of billy elliot and pride and brassed off and then whole and isn't the full monty coalminer anyway. I'm a fan of the coal miner. The coal minor subplot in <hes> is is having colin firth and then they come back and then richard madden just like generations of internet boyfriends and inter scott and strong. There's certain corners of the internet. The take marshawn internet boyfriend sure interesting thing that someone has finally produced a movie. I thought so harry sales just not make it into this version like he accidentally got casting dunkirk instead and the tumbler war movies when when he belonged on i'll ask but he's running an errand so he'll be back in the trailer i wanted to get into i think it really only has has in common with nine hundred seventeen that it's all men trailer for the lighthouse which just looks like the oddest duck movie in the world. It's willem dafoe and robert pattinson with elaborate accents cents a lighthouse <hes>. This movie premiere can't so we know a lot more about it richard. I believe you've seen it. It's pretty striking trailer. Do you expect this to be part of our words conversation at all senate and reviewed it even <hes> i think the biggest chances are willem dafoe in supporting <hes>. It is a really wild movie. You know i think it's it i i respect the moxie director like robert egger who had such a huge acclaimed hit sundance the witch in two thousand fifteen and then didn't follow it up with jurassic world three or whatever he'd actually kind of doubled down on the weirdness and made this very esoteric inaccessible the black and white movie with crazy intricate dialogue <hes> that isn't really about anything. I mean it's it's sort of minute sort of is it's about madness. Essentially it's about two men kind of driving each other to to appoint of <hes> almost inhumanity <hes> <hes> you know that said i think it's going to have a pretty limited ended audience but defoe is doing this incredible shakespearean turn with these towering monologues <hes> that you know he's been sort of back back in the kind of awards consciousness recently with the florida project another thing so <hes> i i would be curious to see if that movie can push him into that kind contention with the fact that fresh off a nomination for editors gate which no one expected as far as i can tell was very under scene. It's an odd thing he is a great the performance that he goes and i think probably more relatable than what he's doing in the lighthouse but he is kind of in the pocket with the oscars and away that means you can't count him out. Yeah i mean people at least know who van gogh. Was you know this is a real lighthouse captain. I mean if it is <hes> hats off to eggers but i <hes> you know it's it's. It's an odd little carryover movie. <hes> the one that didn't really i didn't really connect with <hes> on on a sort of level beyond appreciating. It's very meticulously crafted aesthetic <hes> but like i dunno i again. I respect that that <hes> this is a very singular vision that <hes> someone who could who presumably had a lot of opportunity set before him <hes> and he chose to kind of to to do this thing i mean i it's comparable way to r._e._i. Following up hereditary with midsummer and even more alienating movie and even more daring movie you know so it meanwhile i love the lighthouse <hes> in many others date by the way from can i'm it made me that much more curiously what robert agostas max well the wrap yep our kennedy's ketchup segment of the show. The full new york film festival lineup is out. We've talked previously about how the irishman will be opening it. They'll have also marriage story and motherless brooklyn closing it out which makes very nice <hes> new york trilogy. They've got for the for the big three slots at this year's festival. A lot of things in the lineup are things from ken <hes> like pontoon host parasite which one the pump door. The one thing that i notice on there that is new is eating from kelly reichardt who made certain women most recently in meek's cutoff off. I'm looking at the m._d._c. paid. There are no really big stars in this. I'm not sure it's going to be something to talk about oscar wise but i wanted to point out her work. <hes> anything else strike you richard for people who might be in new york to see the festival or anything like that well. The kelly reichardt movie. I kau is interesting because one the lead of the movie the character their their name is cookie cigarettes which like schorr great name on board for that but <hes> this is. I think it's an entirely male cast it's about trappers in oregon territory in the early nineteenth century so a departure from the female centered stories that were inserted that made up certain women but a return in a way to kind of pioneer days of meek's cutoff another. She did <hes> with an actress who we might be speaking about soon. Yeah the fact <hes>. I mean kelly record. Michelle williams have had such an amazing collaboration that it's almost disappointing that they're not working together in this but it does seem like she's got. You know something specific in mind here. I just want her to to pop up in one scene this movie and say cookie figure what's cooking. Did you ask for that in your interview because that's a request you had the opportunity and so before we get into our book clubs segment spoiler warning for little women book that is almost two hundred years old and i believe spoiled on friends friends among many other places but if you don't want to know the details of the plot a little women please come back and listen to this later so we'd like to welcome you to the first installment of our four part little goldman book club. I'm here with john. Robinson and then joining us for our first installment were so excited to have fanfares editor in chief for deka jones higher deka. Hi thanks for having me on yet. We were thrilled when you basically <hes> you know cornered me and joanna and and said i need to come talk about little women. Were obviously so excited about <hes>. What was it that made you just feel strongly about coming in joining us a little women well. This is a book that i feel like i've held close to my heart since i was a girl and my sister and i we literally had little women dolls we. We had these dolls that we collected. There was a little quartet of them that were maggie. Joe and beth and amy and i don't know about youtube but i i i. It's like the beatles. You have to pick your own right you like are are you a paul or john. It's like i i'm going to confess. I always identified with beth but i want to die. <hes> an and i had got a lot of i know as a i was sort of introverted child so i had a lot of sympathy for her. Her shyness and i feel like the victory that she the wins over it. When she goes to thank mr lawrence for sending the piano is to something that always stuck with me <hes> how she finds the courage in herself to do that so i have this very sentimental mental attachment to it but then i also studied literature and and i think this book has a really important place in american literature just in terms of the way that embraces a work work ethic <hes> and also certain picture of femininity that is i think a little broader than we might expect an even looking back and i hope we can talk about that yeah joanna. We've talked about this much ourselves a little bit and <hes> not to link you with your name but it does seem. I think you've pretty clearly have identified with joe. Since you also read this book for the first time yea i mean i think everyone thinks they're most people. I think think there joe because joe is the center of the book right. I kind of wanted to be bath because everyone loves beth breath. The most you know what i mean. She's this precious object that everyone loves and if truth be told like now. I'm a bit more of a jo. I think because you know she's a writer all of that but when i there's little i was probably also a bit of an amy because i was the youngest so i get that youngest child babies and the great thing about amy's she's so ambitious you know she r- that really is what she brings to the table and she finds a way to channel it. In ways that are interesting. I should say also um with regard to my beth fixation that my i had an older sister who was very clearly the joe in our family so when joe was taken so if take your lane that's great well yeah. That's the thing is like. I people tend to boil the four little women down to essential characteristics which is understandable. If we're going to write like a buzzfeed quiz about it or do you try to describe it quickly to people but i've been bristling recently reading various articles. Calling amy is the spoiled brat and i'm like no she. I mean she's the youngest she's a kid when this story starts and there's a whole stretch of the book where she's older and she's not a spoiled brat so <hes> yay justice for amy. March is my point yeah. Amy i think goes through the most interesting transformation over the course of the book like she goes from this spoiled brat who like it's her pickle limestone out by the teacher feature to have kind of putting laureate has placed when they're in europe. It's a really interesting transformation and you think about in the nineteen ninety four movie where they had a young amien an old amy kass. I think that's the only character that had younger and older versions and in the greta gerwig movie coming at christmas which is the reason this is in her book. Club is going to be played just by one actress by florence pew which is going to be really fascinating waiting to watch. I think it's interesting because you and i were talking about this a little bit katie. You have to cast these women's carefully as as we do you think about them growing like thinking about emma watson being a young mother is something left to think of as she's she's playing yeah and the about floors lawrence pugh is such clever casting because i could really see her like being convincingly quite young and then convincingly older. You know what i mean and i think that's really really smart castings and i'm interested it. I think we can all agree. That timothy shalam was born to play laurie. Oh my god his hair alone is essential part of the care. He's gonna break all all the hearts out. It's going to be well. I had the idea to go care by character which is sort of how the book goes you get joe chapter amid chapter to talk about both of the book itself and then what we're expecting from the movie and i think it makes the most sense to start with joe who's going to be played by sir sharon in the upcoming movie and join as you pointed out she's kind of the central figure she seems the most clearly based on louise may alcott the way that she is coded as a tomboy is really interesting to read now in this time of year more l._g._b._t._q. Representation you kind of wonder about who joe might be the if she were born in two thousand nineteen join a you said you related the mortgage over deke. You said your sister was the joe. I mean reading this now as adults do do we all still feel that you know that central hold to joe as the character in this book and imagine her as the heroine of a movie i think i mean i think the way ms joe sticks out in terms of her being so rough and tumble bowl being so awkward but so loving all of that she's she's just so compelling. It's not it's not just us as readers but louisa may alcott puts that into the book everyone's like she describes joe's commanding a room and all this stuff. It's impossible to look away which is a little what slightly conceited if this is the character whose coated is her komo scotus meeting march sisters obviously joe but yeah and then there's just all this long stretch to the book about her trying to be an author wanting to be an author author wanted to be a young published author wanting to support her family her talking about the pride that she takes ridiculous talking to us a little bit about this fair but i wanted to highlight it is well. This pride that she takes takes him being able to support her family is such an interesting story to read about that time if you're more used to you know british literature of this era you don't don't get that same story as much and i think it makes it really a really fascinating read riddick. I'm curious to elaborate on that as well well. I i think i find it really interesting. You know the book is obviously focused on young women and i find it interesting that joe exists in a commercial space in the book. She is making making a living as a writer and we we see that in detail she talks about the process of publication and she receives her check for one hundred dollars in the mail she immediately sends sends marmion beth to the seaside with her money that she's earned and that's her first big check. She's been earning money along the way and i i find it really interesting that in this book she and not for example her father and not lori and not even john brooke. She's the person and <hes> who kind of drives the economy so to speak <hes> she's. She's that's where we see those kinds of transactions happening. We know there are men of business in the book. There are soldiers mr the marches a soldier <hes> john brooke to fight in the civil wars while they are doing men's work as as we think of it but joe also is doing work and being rewarded word for it and and as we know from both a real story and the continuation of this series becomes quite successful and even famous so it's interesting to see the seeds at that very american quality of making your own way in the world wrest- in joe the other thing i would say about joe is that you know on the one hand. She is the most fascinating character in the book on the other hand. She does it part of that. A big part of that is because of her flaws. She comes out flaws first. She's clumsy. She's always spilling things on herself. If you know she's <hes> indiscreet she makes trouble for herself <hes> because of her temper and because of her quick tongue those those flaws are are actually i think meant to attract us <hes> even even as part of the plot for all of the girls is about. They're trying to overcome their particular faults. I think that louisa may alcott has an understanding that joe's flaws are also endearing that they they give her a kind of. Maybe maybe we would call it today and authenticity <hes> that that we all respect and i think that comes through in the whole book not to jump too far head but <hes> as you say like all the all the young women have their vanities or whatever it is they're obstacles and they're written so lovingly because male pattern them on herself and her three sisters easters and you cannot as you say beat that authenticity that's why like i think greta gerwig is being such a such a good match with this because because the authenticity of lady bird which is so based on her own experience growing up is part of what made that film so powerful so potent to me is you can't fake that and i think the same is true of louisiana. She's painting this accurate flaws and all but loving portrait of her sisters and i and what what i think that accomplishes with the book is because there's these different forms of femininity right now more domestic more artistic more what have you and they're all all depicted in a loving manner that it makes it okay for any young woman and young man <hes> if you identify reading the book to feel like it's okay to a. b. How i am there's a sister who will love me and write a story about me. <hes> in a in a glowing way and that's that's why it's so powerful i think or or a reason why that was one of the great quotes from greta gerwig in the future. We did about the movie where she talked about. How ladybird was based on her life but little women as her agent pointed out to her apparently was is also personal to her and because she read it as a child as we did i she said this feels like autobiography. When you live through a book and almost becomes the landscape of your inner life it becomes part of you in a profound way <hes> and joanna you and i talked about kind of reading books about heroines like joe and like young enough that you wonder if you modeled yourself after them and i see that as such as encouraging aspect for this movie that she feels that personal attachment that you were mentioning yeah it's interesting but it is interesting to read the book now into the nineteen and there are things that worked so well for for me as a kid that work less well for me now like i was. I'll admit and once again kid. I don't know if i'm going off script but i'll admit that i was frustrated by beth's death this time time because <hes> like her her initial illness is still very gripping and emotional but the death comes in the second act it's sort of like unexplained and it's like why and she wastes away and is barely in the book at the end and and you know i was i was like i wanted. I reason why and i guess that's that's the truth of life. You don't always have a reason why but i wanted. I felt like i couldn't grasp onto it the way that i could as a kid when i was just sort the floods of tears reading it so <hes>. I don't know no let's talk about. Let's talk about bath. I mean it does seem like she goes by the end of the book. She is kind of there. Is this emotional fulcrum. In the polls. Amy laura together and you know gets joe kind of motivated to start living her own life again so it is interesting but i think i agree with you joanna that it because she disappears so much as a character because she's an invalid and kind of fair <hes> mostly to motivate joe <hes> where where does beth's death strike you now well. It still makes me cry. I will say there's some in this. There's a lot in this book that still makes me cry and the proposals. Still you know it's like he still dream about them. I don't know <hes> look. It's the nineteenth century <hes> whatever beth died of it's possible. There wasn't a name for it. You know it's it's not i think this is is very common. In the literature of the time it is a little frustrating to come at it does a modern reader and think like. Why didn't they work harder to save her or you know if it if only they had the robust wellness culture that we have so but i do think that her presence is there and i think you're right to call her an emotional full come she. She does act on the plot even after her death in very specific ways as and just as we we real people might have a symbiotic relationship with these characters like we don't know where we related to joe or beth or amy <hes> <hes> because we are like them or or did we become like them because we related to them right. It's a little symbiotic. I feel like beth kind of allows space based for those relationships to happen because the way that she interacts with everyone is so subtle and i think also that there's a way in which the book deepens because there is tragedy in it. <hes> you know i think about the near misses that happen. In say jane austen's ends work which is earlier obviously but also very tied to <hes> the bonds between sisters and and you know those are domestic comedies more or less but it is true not to bring everyone down but it is true at the beginning of pride and prejudice that that jane bennett riding out on a horse in catching a cold you know might have ended badly because that's how things went <hes> in that century and and a lot of our attachment to the book i think think rests on the attachment that we feel between sisters and among the sisters and so- beth's death kind of accesses emotions that otherwise wouldn't exist in this book and and i think for that reason it's obviously very important i also think that she just represents this moral that recurs throughout the book and it's really interesting thinking about morals because joe strips them all out of her her her click bait collins to try to sell them but the book is really insistent on kind of returning to the idea that marmi gives these lessons of be good to your family to other people like there's some amount of self sacrifice their which i think post feminism maybe reads a little bit differently but beth dozen body at and is so loved for into so satisfied with it like she she says by by the small small domestic light that she has a joke kind of wants that to be enough for herself but can't get there and i and i like her as a character for having that maybe in a way that doesn't feel quite like anybody i know but it does feel true to that character issues written <hes> the i guess the thing that i'm missing for beth in the back of the book is this relationship with mr mr lawrence which which is such a huge thing at the beginning and then just disappears like mr lawrence's out of the country when beth dies and it just doesn't seem important to him at all well and that's like i was just like you you went to the trouble to forge this really interesting friendship in the first half of the book and then these two whose actions were published separately like the back half is really a sequel published. Sometimes is good wives like a different book entirely titled. No no. I feel like i feel like she kind of forgot about that. What does your since you're since. You're an expert on on literature of this era like do you see louisa may alcott lifting it off from other books or my being uncharitable. I was thinking of when am march comes and basically says to make like you can't marry this. John brooke fellow and i'm like isn't that a pride and prejudice plot with spurs meg to be like i'll marry who i like and then she does and i was like that's just and then i was also thinking i mean louisa may alcott's <hes> young sister did dies. Beth death is based on that but i was thinking of the death of little nell which is this <hes> this literature event from the charles dickens novel the old curiosity shop when he killed off this little girl now and his book and it was like people were like weeping on the shoreside as the installment of the old curiosity shop came in and little nell like didn't make it and it was like basically the death amid stark of that time we're. We're like a little girl like how good he was like. If that was like the fashion <hes> not deny way flip about something that happened to her but the reality this is what i'm saying i mean reality and i think you know to your point about. I mean statistically weekly. If you had four girls you know i i mean i couldn't tell you exactly what it would have been in the midst in mid century america but statistically i think beth's death is not you know it's not a fabrication and to your point about mr lawrence. I have to wonder whether he's older and he's philosophical and remember that the the roots of his attachment to beth. I have to do with a little child that he lost. I think i suppose grant. I suppose a granddaughter but possibly daughter. I uh i can't remember but you know he's granddaughter. He has processed loss in his life already and i think then that that maybe you know the kind of grief that we we see from her sisters from laurie even sort of tip my hat to him. I mean it is one of the the benefits of age. Is that you you can put things into a different from perspective. I i just i wouldn't fault him for not being so effective no thing but i think and i know you're not. We love you but <hes> but i do. I think that i think that the death in these novels yes they are dramatic events and yes in the case of little nell they became <hes> you know <hes> transatlantic sensations and it wasn't even one of his better books but but i think that they happen because <hes> because those were the mortality rates and those illnesses and and they're really you know there. There wasn't much to be done at a certain point about them but but as you say like i think austin wouldn't because you know maybe it was considered third not of the fashion to like she's reading comedies as yeah well. It's it's an i've actually written about this about the fact that no one dies in her novels. It's it's a very it's very specific choice <hes> that she made and and probably too much of a rabbit hole for us to go down but it does it. Does it means that eh you know we're we're just spared readers from having to go down those paths <hes> we can we can focus on the future and not on dashed hopes hopes or expectations but i think i think in the case of beth you know it is obviously based on a real death so there's there's that <hes> the the line that always strikes me when i reread it about beth is when joe and marmi are talking about her condition and <hes> before they even have realized i think how weak she feels and joe says as you know she's eighteen now and we still treat her like a child and you suddenly realize oh yeah they're growing up but we've kind of stunted her she is. She is almost like the girl from the t._v. Show who kind of never gets to grow old in our minds <hes>. There's something very poignant about that that her death allows. Why do you think it is. We don't see any as far as i can recall any mention of of men dying in the civil war. We've got both john and mr march go off to war an obviously. Mr march has a close call but <hes> we don't we don't they're not grappling with any death of soldiers <hes> that i can recall this book. That's an interesting question. I think the as you say there's a close call and we have to assume that that dangerous everpresent <hes> not only do we not see we never the war is never named in the book. I don't think around yeah you know. It's not it. It is a historical and political event of the book but it is in no way our focus and i think that is just a little bit. Maybe i'll cut benefits from you know geographical distance they're they're living in concord massachusetts <hes> but we don't get any of those specifics actually we kind of know that from from her experience but <hes> but the book just doesn't traffic in any specifics with regard to politics or the larger world around this domestic world and it's always interesting i think to see who in in terms of writers who makes those choices about specificity <hes> <hes> and and you know who chooses to include those kinds of things and who doesn't and why <hes> and whether you know it would be a distraction to be thinking in about president lincoln or president johnson when we're reading little women <hes> or not i mean it's kind of similar to little house on the prairie you know it's it's happening very specific moment in american history and we all know that and we can bring that context to it but the books proceed without without direct direct reference to more or less <hes> so it doesn't feel like an absence to me. It feels like a choice. Actually maybe a transition into meg because there's a point where she's he's trying to <hes> be nicer to her husband because she's been tied up with her children and is trying to talk to him about politics. Even though i think she says like it seems like the whole point of politicians is for them to call each other names <hes> so it's one of those same as it ever was history and i do think part of the secret sauce of timeless classic is that you know you can. You can always say that about politics. It's always and and sadly you can always say that about war and it's always true yeah. The timelessness for meg really came up for me when it gets onto the chapter about her being a young mother and i tweeted the section where she's trying to get her child go to bed so she can spend time with her husband who she feels like she's been neglecting mother and he keeps getting out of bed and then eventually they just kind of have to let them cry it out which is a phrase that parents of babies are very familiar with now <hes> and magazine character who i kind of struggled with for a lot of the book because she's the oldest and huge responsible and there's this one chapter she goes to the ball and gets drunk on champagne but otherwise she's just very steadfast presence but when it got into the chapters about her as a mother and her trying going to like make time for her husband and the kind of progressive advice she gets from army which is not just like dress up and be nice to your husband this old fashioned idea you have but also to make efforts that he's interested in her and to keep her own interests and make time for herself. I was impressed by how relatable that remain even though some of the ideas for what women rules should be especially when it comes to meg can feel old fashioned. Oh yeah i love the part where mommy's like let john do some of the parenting. You know what i mean like her husband saying like our or marriage got stronger when he took over for me when i was sick or something like how them co-parenting made them a better partners which was great. There's there's also as as i was looking at the book again in advance of this conversation i was struck by how much anger management is yes is in this novel and it's like on many any level so between couples <hes> between friends between sisters <hes> marmi talks about it was interesting i think i i feel like i'm bringing something of the spirit of our age to the novel when i noticed those things but it is one of the rewards of rereading <hes> because that hadn't stood out to me before and it's not about would i want to know what you guys think about it but i was struck by armies. Marmi is never saying you won't have feelings of anger. Don't have feelings of anger stifle them. She doesn't say that she just says you have to learn learned cope with them and manage them <hes> and i think that's interesting and that's in some of her marital advice to make sin some of her advice to show <hes> when she gets into two fights with lori or with amy and i <hes> and it's in her advice to herself yeah. There's this one she. Has you know she talks about it. Openly then there's this one like almost throwaway line where joe observes a tightening of maris mouth that now i understand what that means march said right yeah yeah laura dern and meryl streep are gonna be playing them. You just imagine this big little lies reunion screen. I feel like that nuance is so so perfect for someone like laura. Dern who who who really i think can communicate that range of emotion. I mean i think of big little lies and i think enlightened to decision such such an amazing experience to bring to this role but it was impressive to me because of course none of the sisters perfect but you do kind of feel when you're young mommies perfect. If only my mother were just like marmi our best you know she's always knows the right thing to say and and the truth is she works on herself to and that's kind of reassuring yeah yeah. It's it's impossible. I think to not keep comparing this pride and prejudice because of the story of the sisters despite the difference insulation dave and <hes> countries but it's impossible to for me to not compare marmi to mrs bennet who you know is so famously interested in in her daughter's getting married because that is the best avenue forward for their success in life and marmi has multiple times in this book says stuff like yeah if you get right. We want you to marry for love. I don't care about if he's rich to you. That's great. We want you may for love. Love is so important and also she gives us one talk. I forget if it's two major joe. Oh about like how it's important to learn like the domestic arts not so you can build a home for your husband. Just like any home you live is comfortable even if it doesn't have a husband and you just want to be able to like have a nice home. Even if you stay with us forever. That's fine too just like yeah mommy okay. Yes and i feel like she would say that. Two sons is to hope she yes. Sir sons would also have to learn how to make jelly like make. Does maybe never wanna make jelly. That's for sure it ruins time. Consuming yeah talk about amy. She's looking at the last sister we haven't gotten into and as i said in the beginning and joining you put it out that she does has had this interesting transformation the back half of the story i mean i definitely felt frustrated with her in the beginning and really sympathetic for her in the end. I felt like her development played out really beautifully on this on this revisit. Yeah it's interesting. I think the two big tragedies going to quote of little women are beth's death you you know and as <unk> says that gives it half and then this joe and laurie don't end up together like frustrated roman. We're we're expecting it. Everyone's expecting expecting it and shirley and gilbert blythe eventually get together even though she turns him down like why doesn't work out for for joe and laurie and and the added indignity the <hes> of like oh and lorries with amy who essentially who burnt joe's manuscript tile was the justice in this world and i think a lot of that comes from you know i've been talking about this on twitter and u._k. Debating a lot of that comes from any film adaptation we see you know by necessity has to condense a story and then waits it more heavily on the girlhood did the adulthood and amy suffered the most from that because she is young in a little brat when she was a kid but matures someone very i think interesting <hes> and and so when you miss that when you just yada yada yada all of a sudden samantha morton and yes she chides laurie a bit but you barely know hurry. Are you barely a no adult amy and so it just it does it seems wrong and unfair and then also that joe ends up with professor bear when you're just like what's happening and i was interested to sort of a dig into the you know the real life story of alcott who did not get married who according to some pieces that i read wanted joe joe to not get married just like she did and then there was just too much pressure from readership and our editor to concoct some sort of romantic ending so from some. I'm quick. I read. It seemed like louisa may alcott concocted professor bear sort of like a like a defiantly unromantic choice for joe to be like oh you want romance. Here's this study old bearded german professor like he's not stars. He's lovely. I actually really love professor but like here's here's the opposite of lori. Lori and you're just going to have to deal with it and emu gets lori. They're suck on that so i don't know it's. It's interesting to try to defend this ending when i'm not even sure louisa louisa may alcott herself buys into joe lives happily ever after with this professor so i don't know what do you guys think well for me. It always eases my mind to read little men and jo's boys not to <hes> not to attach sequels to greta gerwig already scheduled but i think it's just helpful because i feel the same a little bit that same residual frustration of course i know as a sensible impractical person that joe and laurie should not be together but they kind of should anyway so. It's hard hard. It's just hard to accept every time but it makes me feel better to see joe so in her element in the later books and also amy by the way. Who is i agree with you. It's hard she a lot of her development. Maturing happens a little bit off screen <hes> just because our focus is not on her and so when when she and lori come together it does again make a lot of sense but you kind of don't feel it strongly <hes> later in the books you know her. Her character is interesting and she really grows into herself. <hes> i feel almost like that. Role of amy and a film has interesting potential because it's not necessarily there in the plot a lot of it will be through <hes> florence pews ability to kind of draw the viewer in two you more empathetic relationship with her yeah. I really am curious about how social ronin and tim show is like well established chemistry from lady bird will play <music> out as joe and laurie because you do feel their relationships so immensely in the books and it's k- it's this relationship of the boy next door who is in love with you even though he won't say anything anything that repeats so often throughout movies and literature and i fall for it every single time but i do i i did like lori and amy's romance as it developed like you you kind of really lean into chapters in europe and watch her kind of tell him how to live and kind of watch her development which i think the most interesting example of it. This is a segment. I don't that i would expect to make it into a movie but when she's decorating this table for a crash is a little hard to actually understand what is going on in the situation but some kind of thing where all the women are gathering gathering together and she just takes the high road on these people who were trying to you know one of her <hes> which is a so wise and the thing that we all wish we could do in the face of people trying to take down <hes> <hes> and i it's very katie. Rich kill people with this is the best way to get out of it kiddyish. I also so think michelle may will have chemistry with anyone so i think you could watch both of those relationships flourish but you know he's has said the beginning. He's gonna break a lot of hearts. I look forward to it eagerly. I can't wait and the last thing the last year that i wanna mention is <hes> mister march. She's being played by bob odenkirk correct and it's it's funny to realize how much of the book mr marches actually therefore because you don't remember that you remember him just being gone but you know he comes home home at the end of part one and he's there ish in the background all three part to you and <hes> i almost wonder once again this is louisa may alcott having her own personal revenge because her father author bilal like he's a progressive transcendental as a feminist like all this all this stuff but also made their lives difficult they were for impoverished because of sort of the way that he led his life and <hes> did not have a great relationship <hes> sort of by what i read with with his girls and so for her to kind of a race him from the family a little bit he comes he comes in through the end as as grandpa as a bad dad sometimes do make great grandpa is but like but he's sort of absent even though he's home for the war for a long stretch and so <hes> i don't know that those and i'm i'll be interested to see how bob odenkirk burke whether or not he's essentially a cameo in the film or if he has more to do i love the idea of kind of a warm background presence behind all all of these women who are at the center of the store. He feels like great casting to me. I've been trying to figure out who's playing mr lawrence based on. I'm debbie and chris cooper's in there with listen next to him so i imagine imagine he's mr lawrence which is also really interesting. Casting doesn't seem old enough to me but maybe that's just my own age showing. I'm ninety it. Just mr lawrence is probably fifty and it was it was a great moment of shock when i realized <hes> at a certain point that mrs bennet bennett to go back to pride and prejudice is probably around thirty six or thirty eight. I just throw that out there for some perspective <hes> goodness the league my older not as old as we you think older than they are and that's a whole other thing the maryland my bones just turn to dust. I i think we're maybe a good wrapping points. Maybe we should just conclude by anything else that we're hoping to see from this greta gerwig adaptation. I think we're probably all fans of lady bird. There's a lot to be excited aided for. I think i've i've played in my flag on joe and laurie and wanting to see that play out. What what are you guys must eager to see. I guess the maybe i tweeted this early on on <hes> when i was digging into the cast-list louis guerrillas playing pronounce that correctly dashing french blue hill is playing a professor bear and that's just a little more dashing professors usually allowed to be no knocking gabriel bernie's just like a little a little older and bearded by the time he was romancing went on a writer but i think this might go some way towards healing that sort of laurie joe wound when you have this very handsome frenchman waiting in the wings things though i don't know maybe it's better that professor bears older bittered and not conventionally attractive and maybe that's more challenging thing but i i feel like greta is like let's go with the french the handsome frenchman <hes> some excellent hair according to lane. Oh it's so good. He's he's. He's you you know he's the dreamers like he's been in a million great movies. He's fantastic so i'm excited to see him in the role while i'm definitely looking forward to <hes> laura dern smarmy and and meryl streep's on march <hes> and i think that the great balancing act of the book is that the sisters are so individualized and yet so much depends upon their reporting in relationships with each other and when we have such terrific actors playing the roles of those four sisters so i'm really excited to see not just how they embrace their own character but how those characters <hes> play with each other on the screen yeah the the fact that one of our first photos that we rented magazine was of them reenacting plays which feels like something you could easily cut. It's not essential to the plot but show so much of their relationships with each other. I got really excited to see how their imaginations play out in these things they do have children well right and they go through a lot of hardship but they also have a lot of fun and it's very apparent in the book and they and they really find fun innovative and creative eight of ways to do that so i'm looking forward to seeing that on the screen well we will continue looking for too little women <hes> all the way to its opening in december and then we'll in the meantime. We'll continue. You are book club next week with how to build a girl in the meantime rodica. Thank you so much for joining us. It's so exciting to finally have you on the podcast and then you talk about literature. It's like a double whammy total dream kareem thank you. I hope to come back and we happily anytime okay richard. Let's go now onto your interview with michelle williams yes. She's in a movie called after the wedding that is a <hes> an english language remake of danish film directed by oscar winner says is in a beer this time it's written directed by blake who is better known as mr julianne moore and he has once again tapped his wife to star in the film alongside michelle williams and it's a it's <hes> it's a melodrama i guess about <hes> secrets family secrets kind of thing <hes> you know coming to terms with things that happened in the past but but also has this interesting layer of class politics <hes> sort of milan therapy the politics of philanthropy you know so it's an interesting kind of superman movie and i think that michelle williams gives a really nuanced performance in it which is something we talked about <hes> and then we just talk doc more broadly about her craft and how she makes choices and prioritizes things in her life and i don't know i found her to be really disarmingly friendly and <hes> thoughtful and yeah i feel it gives a coup for us. I mean she's a four-time osram actress so i'm glad to be able to show what's interesting. Well just really quickly and i'm so excited decided to listen to this interview. <hes> what's most fascinating to me about this after the wedding remake is that i believe michelle williams is playing the mads. Mikkelsen gender swapped it. She's playing the role of ads mickelson. Listen played which is just like. What a fun active follow. You know michelle doing a man's role so i'm so glad to see that until listened to your interview well. I've always sort of michelle. Williams says the american men's medical so well. I have the distinct pleasure right now sitting across the table from one of the stars ars after the wedding michelle williams michelle. Thank you for being here. It's my pleasure. Thank you for having me so. I've i saw this movie in very different <hes> climate it was at sundance in the snow and and the cold <hes> back in january and now here we are this many months later with the release of the film and i'm curious to go even further back. What you're sort of story with the movie is is <hes> how it came to you. What made you sign onto it. I was working <hes> when afternoon on janice i which is a movie within a very much wanted to make and i don't really know if it has any hope anymore but i was. I was working away on one afternoon at home. When i got an email email from julie and more saying hey take a look at the script. See what you think barton. I really want you for it. And so i put down my javascript i immediately picked up the script and and when it closed it i wrote back to her and said i'm in and i'm going to start working on it now. Because genesis genesis maybe just a a kind of pie in the sky wish and this is real and so. I'm going to flip my focus to it. I find that you have this. There's a reaction that happens between you and a piece of material. It doesn't and i was drawn to it. I had that reaction action that thing that i look for where i go <hes> <hes> there there are certain things that i understand that are literal that i'm drawn to and then there's a kind of more mystical quality the things that i don't understand why i'm drawn to it and that's what i've sort of set out to investigate what it is that i'm going to learn from it. <hes> uh-huh. How often does that happen where you have to put down. The pie in the sky thing for the thing that's ready to go at the moment i mean is that kind of constant process of of being an actor sometimes sometimes the one of the things. That's hard about being an actors. There's no certainty and there's no. I always say the best day of being an actor as the day that you get the job because is other than that. You're either looking for a job or you are anticipating how you're going to do the job so there's one day of rest and peace which just when you have something <hes> but other than that there's just so much seeking and searching which must be something that i enjoy doing because because a lot of my life is spent thinking what's gonna be next or how am i going to do the thing that's in front of me <hes> but janice has just this funny thing that just sort of resists being told hold something that i've been thinking about and <hes> working on in my spare time for years and it just refuses to adhere kind of like the woman i'm in herself so there's something metaphorical about there. Yeah there might will be <hes> with after the wedding <hes> what was the dynamic like where you're working with. It's a married couple you know <hes> who've done several films together <hes> and obviously film on their own <hes> did that change the dynamic of being onset in any sort of noticeable way from other. I stuff you'd work on no the no the only thing that the thing that i noticed about it was was the equality that exists in their relationship. They could have have health disagreements. You couldn't you know you can't detect who holds the power which was very impressive to me. <hes> have you seen the movie v since they with the music. Oh <hes> i watched it this week but i don't know that if i didn't pick what talk about that i don't know i've only heard i'm. I'm not able to watch for the most part. I don't watch my work because it isn't helpful to me. It's it only puts me in my head and i really try and be on the inside head of the characters experience instead of on the outside of <hes> the audience's experience so i don't know per se but i what part was telling me is that they they worked on the music music lot in that when it screened at sundance what he realized in that screening was that the it was too heavy handed the music was really enforcing in the audience to react in a certain way and <hes> so they stripped it back lot and the experience of the film is is different. Now that's interesting. I mean i did. I think just as one does with any second viewing. I picked up different things and and and i guess yeah the music that doesn't make sense now that you kind of lay that out another thing i noticed that i really like about your performance. In the film is isabel is such a complicated character. You know she's doing a lot of good in and <hes> calcutta with working with children orphanage and the stereotypical caricature of that type of person would be very sort of flow e and wu and and in kind almost sort of superhuman league but isabelle has an edge to her. She has reserve prickliness. Can you talk about calibrating now so well. I'm i'm i'm happy to hear you say that because sometimes things that you think that you're working on you just never know exactly how they're going to come out or if they're gonna come out at all so that is what i i was hoping would come across that. She was engaged in this kind of work not because it was her nature but she but because it was working on her nature. It was something that she was doing not because she was such a good person but it was something that she was doing as a kind of penance or to believe herself to be a better person. <hes> there was something in her past that she a decision that she made that she was so painful and and caused so much shame that she ran from it and invented this life for herself as a way to do. I think unconsciously or consciously make up for what she had done and i wanted her to feel. I wanted her to feel like somebody who who used to be on fire and she learned how to put herself out. I called her old tattoos. I wanted something. I wanted her to feel like somebody who was living with a lot of mistakes and was trying to trying to forget as much as she could and so that there was a kind of and that she was a new yorker that she said there was a kind of edginess or brittleness at the same time well. There's a natural in this. I wanted her to feel relatively at home. In india you know <hes> <hes> of of the place like she had re acclimatized and that when she came back to new york it was jarring like a like a deer on the highway or something you the she just didn't belong anymore. Yeah i think that's really palpably realized in the film. <hes> there's a a quick scene but when isabella i going to the meeting with chilean worse character and she's just walking down a hallway and all these buildings and she just seemed so it just feels wrong. You know i'm very very happy to hear you say that thank you. That was the exact feeling you know that i remember that was actually one of the first things that we shot and when you're working without dialogue but you know that a lot is being communicated because of the use of space and because of the you know that's a very long tracking king shot and so there's so much that i want to be able to communicate in that space and time but i don't have any words to do it with and so how do you take these things that are intangible these things that our thoughts and make them available in a way that can be viewed or aspertain so i'm. I'm very happy to hear you say that because that's what i wanted it to feel like like she was out of place from an outsider's perspective someone who's not an actor someone might look look at this role and compare it to say playing marilyn monroe or gwen verdon and those those were performances that required certain changes in voice and bearing that would seem technically trickier. You know again from an outside perspective. What makes playing someone like isabel hard. So what i what i wanted wanted to do what i saw it. When i read the script i thought was oh. It's an opportunity to do the kind of work that i feel in some ways the closest to which is barebones independent cinema but to attempt to bring to at some of the things that have been working on and like the last five years five to seven years or so. There's an attribute of of film this idea of stillness that people are really drawn to watch a performance has stillness to it and you can attribute tribute a lot of depth twitter you can you can really overlay it with a lot of impressions and at a certain point that kind of lost interest to i lost my own interest in that because i don't necessarily want to be overlaid on i i want to have a point of view and present something very specific and thought out and i i don't really wanna be projected on that much and so i kind of lost interest in this <music> stillness and i moved into a did plays in the last five years and i and i i've studied and i've trained and i've <hes> tried to to bring a kind of changeability and kind of like full bodied nece to the work that i do and i was curious if i could relate that to this sort of like channel that through stillness because what these indie films these humanist sort of spare this world of naturalism i can. I bring something that i'm is everything that i've been working on in stage age and <hes>. Can i bring that into this. Can i put that through this medium <hes> and so. I thought that would be a nice. This would be a nice place to sort of experiment with that yeah. It's interesting you bring up that that's stillness. I i'm not gonna name names but there was another movie that i saw its onto ancestor here and it was a young actress who i think is new to the industry and i i was just asking her to do nothing. It was just like she just wanted her to be a blank sort of thing. That light was projected. You know and i can understand the appeal of that but it's also like i you could see also being like no. I want more want sort of. I guess what the theater offers really because it's so visceral and immediate yeah and you're and you and you have you have a view of somebody's entire body and so these so the thought of you know. Sometimes you feel like a little bit like a head in a box. When you're in a movie you're kind of trapped so much of your work exists in a close up and that's you know that has its own qualities benefits but i became more and more interested after playing maryland. About how do i make my cells calls over from like the top of my head at the tip of my toes to the ends of my fingers. How do i remake my cells in a complete level so that i'm not bound to being michelle over and over again because i'm going to do this for a long time i don't want to. I don't wanna keep replicating myself. I want to be able to slip up these skins so that it doesn't get old for me or for anybody who's watching and that for me requires a kind of at different approach <hes> so there is obviously that emotional human drama aspect of after the wedding but there's also a political political dimension to the film you know in terms of what it's talking about class and in particular and just the function of money with bell's character you know she's doing all this good work in india and i think eh a sensitivity that that people i think increasingly have about narratives about white western people in countries that are predominantly <hes> the people of color and and you know certainly socio-economically not as good shape as maybe the united states. This doesn't feel that way doesn't it doesn't suffer from from a white savior a complex or anything like that but i'm curious when you were making the film what your thoughts were in terms of that political discourse. Was that in your mind when making the film or can you do you have to kind of push. I got away. No it was very much mind because it was you know. It's something that we deal with as new yorkers. I don't know where you don't deal with it at this point in america but it's always on my mind as a new yorker because these two realities abut each other <hes> <hes> constantly you're constantly presented with like why why am i able to move through the world in the way that i'm able to and and why is this person having to ask for a dollar <hes> and how do i continue you to move through the world when it's really hard to ask for help. I always say that to my daughter. You know if they if if if somebody has to ask the need more than we do. It's it's really hard to put yourself in a position where you're asking and basically hearing. No you know people walk by you all the time <hes> so it was very much on my mind just just in terms of our experience of of being new yorkers and it was on my mind because i had been to india and when you've been exposed to that kind of poverty already it shatters your tolerance for <hes> so much of what's stands in for conversation so many sort of western complaints it really shatters your tolerance <hes> for that and i and i i wanted to see if there was a way win. When isabel was in new york. I wanted to see if there is a way that she could always have india on her mind or always. Have you know that you can't unsee <hes> that she can't unsee and so that's the lens she experiences all of new york through and you know all of her interactions <hes> with theresa yeah. I was thinking king watching it again. <hes> about the movie that was pretty under seen last year a private war with rodman pilots where she's not to compare india to a war zone certainly but like that she's she's drawn back to this difficult place and when she's not in a in a when she's in relative lap of luxury. It's just like itchy clothing living on her like she can't. I feel is similar like i feel like i got that energy in your performance again thank you i was hoping that would would transmit and i'm very happy to hear that you think it does so i knew that i feel that way that there are certain things that you experience and and you can't unsee them and and you take them with you in your day to day interactions and not necessarily in a bad way i don't. I think it would be such a bad thing if if we if we all went to a third one was i was glad to be able to have taken my daughter to india twice now so that her sense of reality is expanded because i think it it makes it possible to live a deeper and <hes> <hes> more grateful life and to realize that to be able to help is actually a privilege and if you're in a position where you can help. It's really your duty and your your your privilege to be able to do so yeah yeah <hes> wall switching gears a little bit you know you're talking about wishing skins and re growing and and and and i think we see a lot of that happening in <hes> fosse burden which congratulations by the way in your emmy nomination. That's very exciting. I wanna get into the gwen of it all but i i'm. I'm just curious like what was it like kind of going back. I mean this is a limited series but going back into that. The television sort of model was a big shift after doing so many years a film it was a big shift for me mentally because spent six and a half years on television series and that was twenty years ago or something and in in those days it it carried a stigma and i spend a lot of time trying to get that stigma off of it's been a lot of time trying to wash that off and work it off and so i had this kind of <hes>. That's a place that i came from. It's not a place that i i want to go back to <hes> because it was difficult to to work to separate myself from that early t._v. Identity and people kept telling me it's different now. Television is different and i didn't believe them. <hes> and then something that's true about me is that i'll do pretty much anything to work at home and so this shot in new york and when they came to me about it i thought well this is that i would go back to i would i'll try television for this because it combined so many things that i'm interested in in terms of song dance and theatre and <hes> and working in new york and what i found found was what i found was that it's really nice to make work where you're well supported not just with words but with money and that made a huge huge difference in terms of my process because often my process is limited by time and money and f._x. Six when i would say you know what i thought it was gonna be ten dialect lessons. It's actually going to be twenty dialect lessons. They didn't blink an eye and when when <hes> salmon i felt like we weren't exactly ready to start shooting because the first thing that we started with our very first shooting was that breakup breakup in in my orca on the beach and we asked for another week and i said sam they're never gonna give it to us that costs money and they're not going to pay to accommodate us and they said yes and they pushed it by a week so at every turn i was so surprised to be respected in this way that if i if i said something they took me at face value and that makes a really big difference to the the product that you're able to turn out in the end the support that you get in the beginning yeah yeah. I mean you guys. I mean i i think it's worth the wait because you sam rockwell who plays <hes> bob fosse to your gwen. Verdon have have that that chemistry that is <hes> is feels very hard one you know because it's so exact and this is a unique relationship. One that begins romance then becomes creative collaboration. I know you don't go back and and watch your work after the fact but did you feel that energy <hes> when filming with sam i mean is it is it. Is it clear to you or is it only something we can see after the fact it it was clear to me salmon. I we always say that. We're so surprised that this was the first thing that we ever worked on because we like to make similar things. We work in similar worlds. We we have some of the same friends. There's so much crossover in our interests that we were surprised that this was the first time that we were ever paired together so i think we have a real affinity for each other naturally and a real respect for each other inherently and so that all came with us when we started working and we were also bonded by terror we were both. We both felt like it is the most challenging thing we'd ever tried to do so we were completely in that together and you know my struggles were his struggles in terms of how are we going to do this aging and how are we going to capture their. They're they're the dancing and the singing and their voices and the how we're gonna do the prosthetics and so we we shared the same worries and anxieties and so we we're really we were there for each other in every possible way did stoke an interest in doing more like dance kind of stuff down the road. I i wish that god had made me a better dancer in a better cook. Those are the two things that i wish that i was like truly excellent at <hes> i would love to keep singing and dancing for the rest of my life because it makes me feel happy while i'm doing. It makes me feel like a kid. I feel joy. I feel freedom mend and so i i noticed that i keep finding these ways to sneak it in. Even though i'm i'm not a dancer <hes> but i keep finding these parts where somebody will let me dance a little yeah. That's a good thing in the script make note. I get the dance dance <hes> so you know talking about your theater. <hes> you know you did a blackbird and you did cabaret so that's really intense to hinder you know contemporary drama and then you know classic mid-century musical. You've done tiny tiny kelly reichardt indies. You've done venom which i loved. What a fun weird movie that was is there any genre form. Whatever that you kind of haven't tackled yet that you want to or is there one that you say never going to do that. I'd like to you do more theater. <hes> i think the learning is it's. It's very painful because you are doing it. In front of people and there's no stopping it. There's no sort of pulling the train back into the station but the growth rate that you experience there is nothing else like it and so two to make a long life in a long career of this you have to get better add to go do the next thing and then the next thing and working working in theater is the place where i know that no matter what happens i will come out of it better so it's worth the cost and how excruciating excruciating it is to <hes> perform something eight times a week six days a week in all kinds of weather. Somebody went said that to me. You know to get better at something he was talking about surfing and he said you have to do it every day and all kinds of weather and i think about that all the time that that's how i practice the thing that i do is that i try and do it every day and all kinds of weather yeah so you're someone who i mean you. It's sounds like you kind and of thrive on being busy. I mean you like to have something in the works at any given time or or you someone who takes chunks of time off. I take chunks of time off like right now. I'm in the middle of one a and i. There's nothing that i want to do or think about doing. I'm really enjoying undoing fossey. Verdon was a big commitment that started the year ago. I got the part in july and i started working on it. Immediately and we've finished at the end of march and i was ready ready for a break when it was over and it needed a break because the the off time is actually like the refueling time and where you sort of pick up little clues on what you might be interested in next <hes> so right now. I'm very happy to be doing nothing well up. Some press like a little bit when you have that downtime <hes>. Are you watching things or you're watching other. People's work or does that kind of like like too much like work no no. It's a really nice time to be able to put stuff. You know you're you're in this period where you're just out putting all the time while you're working and so these rest periods are important to do input in put so you need to like fill yourself back up with things that are beautiful and things that are good and things that make you think that you you want to try making something again again. You know the the feeling of being inspired so it's actually a time of yeah i've been watching watching things because you don't really when you're working at ti show is such a huge commitment and it's too difficult to watch something while you're working on something else so so now i'm watching and reading but it's really all kinds of things it's it's not just like a direct connection to <hes> watching movies or t._v. Necessarily it's really like it's it's daydreaming. It's going on a walk. It's having a conversation it's thinking about. It's like a line in a poem. It's it's like all available material that you kind of stuff it all in and then you wait to see what's gonna come out in the next bit of work that you decide to take on yeah yeah and you're you're not someone who stresses yourself out about like social media and all that kind of because you have a good friend. Who's a very good at social media busy phillips. I'm referring to <hes> how about yourself. I mean are you. Is that kind of like something you won't you won't really dive into too much or i don't think it's no i mean i can barely keep up with texts and i feel like i'm on my phone too much as it is and the only thing i use may phone force texting and food delivery and i still feel like i'm overly attached to it so i can't really imagine a world. Where a double down. I asked because i've i've found in recent years that my sort of downtime when i would normally you know be watching stuff that they didn't have to watch for work. You know catching up on that tv series or watching that that the little tiny movie i missed i i'm finding. I don't have time for that anymore. Because you're on twitter. It's terribly time considering. I worry about it a lot. I think about it a lot and his and as little as i use my phone which i think compared to a lot of people because i don't have any social media isn't that much. It still feels like it's completely taken over in my life. I have a hard time sitting down to commit to a novel. I have a hard time saying i'm going to give myself two hours to just watch a movie and to not not trying to do two things at once the shame about these phones that they promised to make our lives more expedient and to save us time but they wind up taking all of our time and they're so hard to limit because they're they feel great yeah. There's always something it's like looking at the horizon and you're just always see these ships coming. You know it's just like this cycling like what's next. What's next so <hes>. I'm trying to do less on my phone. Not i'm not more yeah. I'm kind of hypocrite because i'm a co host on two different podcasts here at the f. <hes> and yet. I think podcasts have ruined the subway. Read you know because now i listened to something and i don't read the new yorker. Don't finish the chapter of the book and it's it's <hes> it's too bad but i love a podcast. You don't get hired yeah they. They're they're. They're good for their good for people. I know but now when you see somebody with a book. It feels like you're watching a movie about the past. You know you're like what a time traveler or is it being deliberately showy it's like are you really reading the stranger nine a._m. So you know in your in your consumption of other people's work books poems movies movies t._v. Shows after the wedding is is a remake of a of the susanna bair film <hes>. Is there anything that you've come across that. You're like i would love to adapt. I'd love to to remake that at and work on nothing that shoots to mind necessarily but i'm not much of a producer. I guess it would say i. I don't really think about making things from scratch. I think of myself as very much being kind of like a worker kirby. You know i get my task and i set to work on it as opposed to kind of conceiving of something from the ground up that feels <hes> like too much to me. Honestly i feel like i can just sort of barely play these characters and then do my life as a woman in a mother so a to kind of be with something at its inception. I don't think i've ever really truly been a part of that. I've never thought that big right right well. You know maybe maybe janet will come together and then you'll have been with that since the beginning right yeah yes maybe although at some point i'm going to get to who old although she looked she looked forty seven when she was twenty seven so and also all that new technology and i just saw clips the cricizing movie where they make robert deniro look twenty five years younger so you've got plenty of time. Does it look pretty good actually yeah yeah i mean. Not you know you can notice a little bit but i think if if you didn't know it was there you might not notice so well. In the meantime i think people go and watch <hes> after the wedding michelle is terrific in it if you haven't yet watch faucet and go and watch that and cheer her on at the emmys <hes> in the meantime michelle thank you so much for being on. We really appreciate it thank you. It's my pleasure that does it for this week's episode we'll be back next week and again if you want to read along with our club are book next week will be held to build a girl by caitlin moran <hes> so please join us for that in the meantime you can find us at vanity fair dot com and on twitter at goldman and on our own i met katie rich richard at cookie cigarettes and joanna jared this week's episode it was edited and produced by brett fuchs. This week's award for the best extremely niche podcast spinoff goes to joanna robinson there. Has there ever been a bad coal miner movie we.

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