18 Episode results for "Simon Wiesenthal Center"

Rabbi Meyer May 11-17-19

CATS Roundtable

07:22 min | 1 year ago

Rabbi Meyer May 11-17-19

"Good Morning America. This is the catch roundtable John Katzman. TD's here it's Sunday morning. What's going on in our country? Well today a good friend friend has stopped by his. Name's Rabbi Meyer. May and he runs the Simon Wiesenthal Center and the Rabbis Adviser Executive Director for short time. I think for forty one years. And it's the Museum of Tolerance Chow. All Americans what museum does what it stands for. I'm Wiesenthal Centre. beasely very aggressive organization organization dealing with the issues of emphysema and defending of state of Israel. But we also recognize that we have to educate people one at a time so therefore in addition to our vocal activities in defense of the Jewish people and against intolerance as it applies to all people. We developed a museum in Los Angeles. That is twenty twenty six years old. We've had more than seven million visitors to it. It state of the art. We've been replicated in terms of our museum. Algae by more than seventy museums museums around the world museum deals with the subject of the Holocaust and also deals with the whole issue of tolerance as it relates to Americans and wakes thanks to the kids to come to the visitor visitors to the Museum of which we've had more than a million and a half children in school groups come into the. Wow that's a lot of people. Tell us on the current state of of things in the world and we're all concerned would hate eight crimes. We're all concerned when Anti-semitism Chalice what discouraged eight of the world is an your is all the studies if you take a look at the. FBI recently released study shows that Jewish people are the victims of more than fifty percent of all hate crimes. That take place in America America and doesn't diminish the assault on others but we have to recognize that there's one group that seems to be singled about and it has a good reason that it singled out it goes. It's the oldest hatred of the world and you'll have people have trouble with the success of the Jewish people have trouble with the prominence of the Jewish people and in a sense have no trouble victimizing the Jewish people because they look at us as as being as being successful and and therefore it becomes the foil for those that atlas late me Viz been it. Semitism On television especially with some of the Democratic Party's some Congress people I mean I was very surprised that the moderates stand up and say it's wrong. I think that's Exactly correct this is not a Democrat problem. That's not a republican part prom. Everyone every American should stand up when the ear intolerance and if you're a member of Congress and it's even a member of your own Ari you must call it out the way it is. And if a if a congressman I'm from Minnesota says something that's outrageous that would not be tolerant tolerated by any other minority than hooves every member Verba Congress whether you're Jewish or not Jewish to say this is unspeakable and it doesn't belong here in our institution you know I in my functions with the Greek Orthodox Church. I wasn't in charge. And it's in charge of religious freedom in the world. Reporting to the patriarch out of Constantinople and under President Obama. Four hundred thousand Christians died in the Middle East in those six seven years. And and it's horrible. I mean how do you see the Jewish community in France in Germany they are having Improv for the refugees moving. Well we met with the President of France and we we asked him. We're of EMAS. We're on the he moms decrying and colon out antisemitism we WANNA see religious leaders calling it out listen. We pulled out on on numerous occasions the persecution Russian of Christians in Iraq the and others. It's it is it is a a Baris- meant for for us. Nice to see to watch how. How in the in the name of tolerance? We have become Impala yrant to Christians to you other members of another religious is horrible and under president trump of. They've accused him of being anti Semitic and I can't see how that can happen. Because his son-in-law jared is very very Jewish and he allowed how his daughter to convert to Judaism and the kids are raised Jewish. Listen there's no question that the president has been a tremendous friend Israel. Israel has done more for the state of Israel in the last Three years than his predecessors. He's kept his promises to the state of Israel and he's and as you point point that is his children are Jewish. Grandchildren are Jewish. But what you have is you have a you have a world. That's trying to divide us. You have a you have a progressive lip. That's trying to us and you have far-right bringing out all the hate in the world and we we have to recognize that you're ninety percent of Americans are in the middle and those of us who are in the middle to be able to stand up for justice and for the foot tolerance and whenever I agree with you one hundred percent we got a minute left. Tell me about. The center is located in Los Angeles US listenable centers located in Los Angeles its international headquarters of the Simon Wiesenthal Center. It was established forty two years ago as pointed out. I'm Mike I enjoyed. We did a second year of its existence relatively new only forty one years on the job. But now we're building a tremendous project in Jerusalem towards zero tolerance. The truce limits three times the size of our museum in La it's in the heart of Jerusalem and it will be a provide a tremendous source of education for visitors and Israelis. Now if people are in the West Coast and Mir Mira Ross Angeles should come visit the sector but if they're non west coast host is their website. People can learn more about your museum. I would say museum of Tolerance Dot Com or wasteful Wiesenthal dot com. But also. You should be aware that we're now building a bus New York and building a bus in Illinois and we have a bus center in Toronto. That goes around the schools teaching tolerance campus by campus. Rabbi Meyer may thank you so much for calling in this Sunday morning and let's catch up again real soon I will check out the website too.

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Tackling far-right activity in the Canadian military

Front Burner

22:51 min | 4 months ago

Tackling far-right activity in the Canadian military

"I'm tired host of ideas in this age of Click, Bait and online shouting ideas is a meeting ground for people who want to deepen their understanding of the world. Join me as we crack, open a concept to see how it plays out over place time and how it matters today from the rise of authoritarianism to the history of cult movies. No idea is off limits. Ideas is on the CBC listening or wherever you find your podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. There is absolutely no place in the Canadian army for those that hold hateful beliefs in. express these beliefs through hateful behavior. If you have those types of police get out, we don't want you. You bring discredit dishonor upon our organization. The Canadian military has a problem with far right extremism in their ranks. We've seen it rear its head before like when a former Army combat engineer from Manitoba was outed as an alleged recruiter for the Neo Nazi group, the base or when a Naval Reservist Alberta posted on White Supremacist forums about joining the military to get combat experience for the so-called race war. Now, the commander of the Canadian army left Tenet General Wayne Air says, he will issue a special order to specifically tackle the problem nine Leo my expectation the actions of needs to be taken the proactive actions, the decisiveness deal with these cases but will it be enough to damn joined by CBC Senior Defense. Writer Murder Brewster to talk about far right extremism in the Canadian Forces and what's being done to address it this is fat. Burger. Hello Murray. High. Be Before we get into the plan from Upton General Air. I'd like to wind back a little bit and talk about the examples of the problem he's setting out to address here. I. Mean you started looking into far-right activity in one specific Canadian Ranger unit summer after that unit was alleged to have crashed the gate at Rideau Hall his name was Corey Her and he's from Manitoba. Remind us of what he's alleged to have done police in droves Rideau Hall's wrought Iron Gates smashed by truck police say it was a soldier driving a search of the vehicle corey. HEARN is alleged to have crashed the gates Rideau Hall he was demanding to to speak to. People in authority. He is accused of of making threats against the prime minister and but he was at the time he was he was heavily armed had several weapons several more than one. The RCMP says Corey her and carried at least one of those weapons what appeared to be a rifle after he allegedly ran this truck through the gates of Rideau, Hall and Rome. It took the. A. Fair amount of time to to talk him down. And the P seized a letter that was allegedly written by Corey hearn where he expresses sympathy for a number of far right causes. But we've not been able to uncover any. Nation direct affiliation with any far right groups. however, the the the Toronto Star did DIG. Up. Examples of where he seemed to be subscribing to some Cuban on theories. But was in the letter that that the RCMP see torpedo about the contents of that. Well it wasn't. It was a rambling letter and I mean, essentially, what was it expressed disatisfaction an antigovernment sentiments and suggested that Canada was becoming becoming a communist state and but a lot of the language around that. Let her. Seemed to mirror a lot of what we see online when it comes to far right activity. So US decided to take a closer look at this ranger unit and you came across this member who caught your attention eric. Meighan his social media feed is full of anti-government rhetoric. One Post calls the Prime Minister Treasonous Bastard. Guy Served NBC and to clear that there's no evidence that he's connected in any way to corey her and but you and our colleague a Thompson dug through his social media, what kind of posted defined? We found a whole bunch of anti-government posts and. Perhaps, more disturbing, the his open affiliation with too far right groups. The soldiers of Odin, which is a white supremacist, anti immigrant or station that was originally founded in Finland but has made its way to Canada. Now in in fairness the Canadian chapters that have come up tried to cast themselves in the light of community organization. The Canadian to hate network says don't be fooled. It points out the soldier started out as neo. Nazis in Finland are known to conduct patrols in neighborhoods or even shopping malls where they hairs immigrants demanding ID. So that's one of the groups that that that he subscribing to online. The other is the three percent movement. Taking a good look at the face of the militia, the three percent movement. These are patriots that are not going to have the rice infringed upon and our way of life We'll be preserved and maintained. So help us God. Which is essentially an American militia movement, a survivalist organization which takes pains to. State that it is not. Racist however, in the states, the organization has been providing security against some of the black lives matter protests. Middle of. A little bit of like a standoff for several but. But he has been very. Vocal about his support and this goes back years and what really caught our attention was the fact that he had popped onto the radar of the Canadian Forces Counterintelligence Branch and he openly admitted this online and we had through our own investigation. Determined that they had the cane forces had interviewed him about this hand it struck us to be extraordinary that someone who is so openly supporting these far-right views was still a member of the Canadian Rangers Right. because. He has posted things like Justin. Trudeau is a quote treasonous bastard I mean this would appear to violate the military's own rules, right? Yes it would. Yes it would and that was one of the questions that we had been repeatedly asking the military was if the Canadian Forces Counterintelligence Branch was aware of this, then why wasn't some action taken by the unit? Because it would have been up to even if the Canadian. Forces Counterintelligence Branch had determined that Mr Wagon was not a threat. Then, it would have been up to the unit to discipline him, and when we presented all of this information to the Department of National Defence and two Canadian army, they began an immediate investigation a summary investigation into. The circumstances surrounding Mr Mike Lions case, but also at the same time what action the unit did or did not take and I mean that speaks to the larger question of how does the Canadian military deal with these cases when they arise but the investment, but the investigation is going to take probably until about the end of October was the the Department of National Defence says he hasn't been an active member since June of two thousand and nineteen. So as of now, what does this position within the Canadian armed forces while he's he's still a member of the Rangers? He has not been released as of yet, and one of the lines of investigation is why is that the case? We have evidence and the Army Commander has admitted that there was. An, effort to release him as much as a year ago and yet he's still a member and likely will continue to be a member of the Rangers although not an active member until at least later and later in the fall perhaps in November. 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That's what you discovered in this one unit that you looked at but clearly, the issue extends beyond that. We mentioned at the beginning Patrick Matthews, and many of our listeners might remember the story recovered it a number of times on the show he was an army reservist in Manitoba. He's accused of recruiting for the White Supremacist paramilitary group, the base, and now he's in custody in the states on firearms charges. The F. B. I. Alleges he and his co-defendants made a functioning assault rifle bought sixteen hundred and fifty rounds of ammunition and practiced at gun range agents. Say they talked about recruitment creating a white ethno state and military style training camps. There's also this naval reservist in Calgary Boris Malovic who's accused of having connections to multiple Neo Nazi groups. One of them has been identified as a terrorist organization by the Canadian government. He told the CBC, he realized that he was wrong about a year after he entered the military and that he has since tried to turn his life around. But what do we know about him? I mean how was his case handled by the Navy? Well. We do know that that he was he was investigated but then reinstated I believe in rehabilitation over retribution and it's the time now for that member to come back and and work with us again to his unit which caused a great deal of concern among his some of these union members. So I understand. That this entire situation has has created some incredibly strong emotions within our crew. There's some of you that have felt very victimized by this I hear you. And that's prompted the navy to go back and take another look at it in what's called the command review, and there is been an enormous amount of pressure placed on the Navy by outside advocacy groups such as the Friends of the Simon Wiesenthal Center which have have lobbied hard for this individual to not be reinstated. We. Of just how prevalent or widespread this issue is in the Canadian military. The short answer is no The long answer is that the military will tell you that it is a very, very small percentage. But what is interesting is that the military I don't think has a a full complete understanding of the extent of the problem itself. partly, because when incidents arise, they're dealt with through an administrative and disciplinary matter, which is essentially dealt with behind closed doors, and that's one of the biggest criticisms of experts who have been following right wing extremism in the Canadian military weather idiots the the friends of the Simon Wiesenthal Center where is Canadian anti-hate network whether eighties researchers such as Barbara Perry at all of these people have come out and said very clearly that the military has dealt with these things behind closed doors and that obscures the problem in it is obscures the the the accountability. Now, we are seeing some a level of change in the sense that. For example Barbara Perry. Has Been Contracted by the Department of National Defence to study this to get a firm handle on the extent of the problem but even still it's it's going to be a while before they they truly know. How bad it is, but they keep having cases popping up in public. I'm curious. What these experts would save a why the seems to be a problem I what is it about the Canadian Forces that seems to attract people with these far right extremist views or maybe I can phrase it the other way I mean, what is it about the Canadian Forces that may be incubating these far right extremist views in some people. Well, the Canadian Forces is not alone in this particular. Matter, there has been an enormous probable of right wing. Influence in infiltration in the German military, and this is where the experts point to other countries and particularly Germany say Germany has been extraordinarily. Open and transparent in their. Investigation of these matters and in how they deal with it and the American military and the the British military different militaries have have faced this and are facing this kind of problem. makes. It attractive for far right groups is if you are an individual who has far rate leanings and far right tendencies. You might want to join the military because of the structure but also to these groups are very eager to see their members get military training training, right? Now that that Calgary Navy naval reservists who at one time was frequenting neo-nazi forums he encouraged others to as well me he posted in two thousand and sixteen that quote. No one hates Canada and the Canadian military more than me, and yet here I am they pay you to teach you the methods you need to destroy them. Yes and it's chilling isn't it? That's that's utterly chilling but there is some additional research that is that is going on and it's only just beginning in in the United States but also in in Europe. About how not the ethos the structure of of the military, how the military essentially strips away individual identities and replaces it with with the collective and how? When silvers go through combat or situations overseas and then they come home and they leave the military, but there's no of deprogramming if I can use that word and in the United States the research focusing on what they call the warrior Bro Culture and how that focuses on a small group small units with like minded views rather than restoring the sort of. Sense of citizenship. That someone may have come into the military with so. That's just an area of research that's just beginning and it deserves a lot of attention going forward I believe. So I believe, yes, we have a problem with with far right activity. Across the arm, this all brings us to the interview you had with the commander of the Canadian army left handed General Wayne air where he forcefully condemned hate the army's ranks. And he told you his plans to issue a special order to tackle the problem. What will that order do? We haven't seen the order and General Air obviously wasn't prepared to share all of it in the media before he issued among the army. But what he is planning to do is to give unit commanders a roadmap map a framework to. Deal with. These individuals as they appear and we've got to do everything we can to to stop this toxicity from seeping into our ranks. So stop it by screening up before individuals hold these texts of belief police come in and crush it when we find it once they're in one cases too many it is harmful on so many levels it erode and that's very important in the army. What I think is most interesting is whether or not. The individual unit. are going to be given the tools and the authority to be able to monitor. Their. Troops and to be able to keep tabs on what's being said like perhaps. Social media posting and these sorts of things that touch on the very specific areas of of privacy. And it becomes even more difficult when you're dealing with reservists who are only part time members and they're still like the reservist have one foot in the civilian world and one foot in the in the military world, and one of the reasons that the army commander gave for not going after Eric migrant forcefully was the fact that he was reservist in his activities were taking place allegedly. Off. Army time or off ranger time. So hot like how do you? How do you police that? So these are some of the aspects. Of the order that that were waiting to see, I, suspect that the army will give itself full authority to be able to. Very quickly and very. Forcefully eject members, who have. Espoused far right views, but we're we'll have to see. Well, this order just covers one branch of the military the army is, is that enough? If. You talk to different experts in different advocacy groups. The answer is no and what has been interesting has been a deafening silence that has come from the navy and the airforce where this is concerned and whether or not they're going to follow the army. And issue their own orders. We do know that the federal government is working on some kind of overall strategy when it comes to far-right activity within the military. The details of which I'm still climbing away I'm still trying to to get a good sense of. a lot of it is going to probably be pooled around the upcoming throne speech. And me. There's been some suggestion that the Canadian military could pursue something like operation honor but operation honor against hate noperation honor is the five year long campaign that has been intended to stamp out sexual misconduct in the Canadian military my orders were clear. My expectations were clear. And those who choose chose not to follow my orders, we'll be dealt with through disciplinary or administrative action, and that's been very high profile has resulted in a number of charges. There's been mixed results with operation honor, but it is there is a very interesting possibility that the government could follow along with its own with its own version of operation honor but. But for for hateful conduct. Well. We'll be watching to see what happens closely Murray. Thank you so much for your insight into this. You're welcome. Home. That's all for today. Front burner is brought to you by CBC News and CBC podcasts. The show is produced this week by imaging Burchard, Elaine Chao Alley Jane's and Shannon Higgins Derek Vendor. Why does our sound design with help from Mac Cameron are music by Joseph Shepardson? Bloomberg, sound the executive producer of front burner is nick McCabe logos. I'm Josh Block thanks for listening back on. For more CBC PODCASTS GO CBC DOT CA. Slash podcasts.

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Culture Fit: Racial Bias in Tech #2 - Original Gatekeepers

The All Turtles Podcast

23:33 min | 2 months ago

Culture Fit: Racial Bias in Tech #2 - Original Gatekeepers

"The tech industry has an obsession with shaping the future in the future. I is going to change everything. What will technology be as we get closer and closer to twenty fifty futures using exciting to me. It's what i spend sent my time thinking about as much as we think about the future. For whatever reason we have a hard time reconciling what happened in the past that means text missing a huge opportunity to understand how we got to this current moment to recap the current moment in tech. It's one of iniquity as we saw in the first episode of culture fit. The tech giants have worked forces that are on average less than half a percent native or indigenous to listen five percent black less than seven percent. Latino ex how can industry amass such power influence without fully representing the people it serves what sequences of events brought us uncomfortable. Reality to answer these questions. We have to look at history. I'm darren boyd. This is culture fit racial bias in tech looking back on my past one of the first memories i have understanding race was actually through. Stand up comedy of all places. It was legendary comedian. Sinbad i had the chance to speak with some bad himself and his talented son royce together. We reflected on personal histories of understanding race. And it's going to be a starting point for today's episode. We'll go personal before we at the big picture sim bad broke through a segregated industry and he helped his son navigate breakthrough tech if a podcast together called blurred empire. It's about being black and being a nerd. Sinbad one of the first experiences. I had Understanding racism kid was when my mom sat me down in front of the tv. She had me watched. One of your bits It was the bit where you're talking about being a but in the in the plantation house. Now working fuel because your skin was light enough that afford you to work inside the house not outside the house. It's in the food. And all that i see this color ism and how you know if like i'm light skinned like light skinned. People think i'm late. I'm high yellow right so it's like no no no. You're you're dark white. We have another day of the dark. Why chronicles another level. We're dark white. You're born in the fifties and so your experience you know twenty thirty years old. Having royce was probably different times for different than could you talk about that. You've seen the generations and what we've gone through two was no different. Only difference is when i was fifteen and now to my mother so you think the racism by maybe. It's funny we see. We thought there was into it. This is out. We were to strength of racism. Simba grew up in segregated fifties and sixties. He saw progress and believes an equitable future was in sight but as an adult he witnessed his son get hit with the exact same discrimination. He faces a youth. Sindbad son royce was fortunate enough to go to private school but unfortunately the conservative white family that ran. The school didn't quite see eye to eye with rice that summer before school had started. I grew my hair out. I was in sixth grade when school started. I knew they felt some type of way about having an afro and just like long hair. In general so i was like. Oh you know what. Let me try. Cornrows have actually never done that before and then later i got called into the principal's office and they're like we don't want you wearing your hair like that long story short. I kept wearing my hair like that. I kept getting called into the office. And they kept giving me reasons i guess. They went home and searched on google. Or whatever it was at the time. And they're like yeah so you know we. We actually learned that. Slaves would braid their hair when they were planning to rebel against their white masters. And i was like well. Technically i am rebelling right now but not in the way you're thinking but literally. I'll just like y'all really literally just trying to find any reason to belittle what pretty much me as a person. It did end with me leaving the school at the end of the year. The kind of polite me politely asked us not to return. After numerous visits by both my mom and dad roisin sindbad's experiences reflect stoorikhel narrative of oppressive one side racism in the us. It's a story of progress but at the very same time. These patterns are firmly rooted in society tech. An industry is an undeniable part of this vicious cycle. Now we're going to jump into the way way back machine back to the beginning of technologies relationship with race the word technology for many synonymous with innovation. But i think what's generally missed. Is that the concept of innovation itself has racist origins. We have to go back to the question of what innovation is. This is chuck a nasa muga. He's the associate professor of science technology and society at mit was always from the onset. Every western in white phenomenon in this is not because the society did not create things it simply something that was bull arised because of imperialism and colonialism innovation was closely tied to the idea of civilization another concept propelled by racist ideas of who and what could be considered civilized. It was also called development. People don't often know that development is a very racist tim. In its origins. The basic philosophy is to why africans or black people had to be enslaved was they were rented in human considered inhuman and therefore of bed that they did not have feeling. Also here's where. The dehumanisation of black bodies began colonizers treated dark skinned peoples objects domination. The salau colonizers dakota fi who could be considered an innovator and so what we face is the persistent image of the black men as the visitor to the laboratory as opposed to a being whose knowledge knowledge that was stolen through media expeditions through colonial conquest in subjected to the reasoning of the quote unquote in light inment and contributed inau small cut to the production of watching. Now see is scientific knowledge so this lays the foundation for both technology and innovations deep ties to racism in episode will move quickly through a timeline of silicon valley from i level. We'll start before tech companies actually took root in silicon valley and we'll continue through the last few centuries occasionally aiming into specific stories. Start start by looking at the lane itself. The land silicon valley was built on five hundred years ago. The region was home. Saloon people the indigenous history of this area is very much a part of the history of silicon valley. But it's one that we don't often acknowledge. Here's adam recco founder. Of natives and tech native people are the indigenous people of this land. You know how are we forgot. There's history there. In terms of people not wanting to to recognize our claim to being the first inhabitants of the land that we are part of spanish missionaries arrived at what we think of as silicon valley in the late seventeen. Hundreds forcibly bringing learning people to their missions inflicted violence on the natives infected them with foreign diseases. What happened to the people is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the violence trauma and repeated treaty violation that indigenous natives face. That was the early history of the land that silicon valley stands on today. Now let's keep moving forward in time will come up to the mid eighteen. Hundreds when technological advancement was spreading across the nation the telegraph. The telegraph is often hailed as the first internet. In a sense it was the first electric communications network but who really had access to the tool. The first telegraph message was sent in eighteen. Forty four twenty years before the abolition of slavery telegraph reached. Its apex in the next several decades. The time when black americans were not afforded an education only twenty percent of the black population at the time could read and write a clear picture of who this quote unquote i. Internet was actually connecting the federal telegraph company. Eventually build a research lab in palo alto just down the road. Stanford university was beginning to take shape stanford as long fueled silicon valley and the founders of stamford were intentional about creating a space that supports local technology businesses. That is white owned technology businesses. Here's a direct quote from leland stanford. I am in favour of free white american citizens. I prefer free white citizens twenty of race. I prefer the white man to the negro as an inhabitant to our country. I believe it's great. Good has been derived by having all of the country settled by free white men unquote. No wonder the early. Racial makeup of the tech industry was just that free white men. What happens during the nineteen forties nineteen fifties is. The cult were happens in silicon valley kind of emerges as this center of electronics development. With kimberly johnson professor of social and cultural analysis at nyu. At that point lots of people are moving into the area. Another key element in the history of silicon valley. It's housing their teeth. Things that become really intertwined in silicon valley in. That's where people live and where they get to work and silicon valley. Has this kind of dark side of displacement of people of color displacement when a group is forcibly removed from one area and now must find a new area to call home. This is a reality. That natives in tech founder adam. Reckless knows all too. Well there's history of relocation native people being in cities in different historical things that have happened that have disconnected native people from their communities being displaced as a monumental life disruption about it. When you're squeezed out financially the affordable places you can live or limited and that impacts the jobs you have access to. Here's professor kimberly johnson. East palo alto emerged in the post world war two era as kind of the only really affordable place for working class folks to live african americans. Start move into. The area are attracted to employment opportunities but also in some cases. If we're talking about oakland and san francisco they are actually getting pushed out of the cities and encouraged to move to cheaper places like east palo alto. People of color are already sort of slotted into specific places on the peninsula. They widen the bayshore freeway. It really becomes a concrete curtain. Because of that highway there then april to reinforce school segregation and also create this zone of disinvestment that becomes east paolo alto but i think also there is in the same way that people were residential segregated also bled into a notion that well we don't see them in terms of where we live and so therefore it perhaps didn't bother people that they didn't see african-americans where they worked. The connection between housing and employment came into clear. focus with the wake of redlining. you've probably heard redlining lining its when surveyors great neighborhoods by subjective risk factors therefore preventing banks from lending to black communities. Banks looked at redlining maps and nine money to black communities keeping them in poverty and further restricting their ability to live in the areas where tech companies rose in the fifty some of the most prominent silicon valley figures began to make names for themselves. William shockley for example was a white physicist and inventor his lab in mountain view built devices for the transistor helping propel the region as a center for technological innovation also. Earning him the nobel prize. He's credited for bringing silicon to silicon valley. He was also a eugenicist and racist. Here's a clip of william shockley speaking at stanford in nineteen seventy four. The lesson to be learned from nazi history as frequently very misunderstood. It's not that eugenics is intolerable You programs are not inconceivable. They're not inhumane. Dr shock they do. You believe that black people are inferior in intelligence because their heredity. My research leads me escape to the opinion that the major cause of the american negroes intellectual and social deficits is hereditary and racially genetic in origin not remedial to a major degree by practical improvements and environment. That's confirmation bias for you. Scientists that believe black. Genetics were inferior to white genetics. He tricked himself into validating these incorrect and deeply bigoted views william shockley used his influence to intentionally inflict harm black people. It's impossible to grasp the enormous scale of impact. If you've never heard shaq lab. Maybe you're familiar with some of the white men that left his lap to start fairchild semi-conductor gordon moore and robert noise were among the men who left chocolate lab to start fairchild. They eventually founded until another researcher from that group. Was eugene kleiner. That might be familiar because he went on to found venture capital firm kleiner perkins one of the top of season tech today in total ninety. Two publicly traded companies can be traced back to the group of men who started chocolate was cohort of white dudes. The only demographic william shockley cared to hire the only ones with access and opportunity to create income town enormous wealth from their work. Despite the bears are in place preventing black people from becoming software engineers. Someone eventually broke through. Hi my name is clyde ford. I'm the author of saint. Louis which is a memoir about my father who was the first black software engineer in america. My dad was born in nineteen nineteen and that was really. The high. point of eugenics on clyde's father john stanley ford began working for ibm. He was stepping into a company that already had a troubling history is technology that so many of us love and use every day has in. Its history this really dark past urfi. Concentration camp had an ibm room. Ibm punched card equipment was used to identify who was jewish. Who was not the historical background that person the medical experiments. They might be subjected to how that person was actually going to die. Ibm knew what kind of evil they're building but they did it anyway. was not too long. After the war that clyde's father was hired by ibm it was the nineteen forties late nineteen forties post world war america. My dad was hired as a systems engineer and walked into an environment. Which in many respects was very hostile. One story that sticks out in my mind. Because i heard it so often was my dad telling me how the group of man we worked with had set up what appeared to be a meeting with a customer that turned out to be a meeting for him only with a prostitute that they hoped they would capture on camera and therefore forced him to resign. He struggled through people actually attempting to sabotage his work in order to show him up and show that he as a black man didn't really along a generation later clyde followed in his father's footsteps as an ibm engineer. Where he of course faced similar challenges. I would hear from him. The idea that as a black man you had to work twice as hard to be considered half as good as a white man. And i heard that many many times and while i grew to hate that phrase i also grew to understand he was saying in terms of what he experienced as a black man working at ibm but that was the burn that he and just about every wanted his generation who were first in their respective fields. Took on racial discrimination was rampant in the sixties the national zeitgeist at the time held martin luther king junior as public enemy number one black salespeople at xerox were fed up with discriminatory treatment managers. Set them up to fail by continually assigning them in fear sales territories only because of their race so group formed the bay area black employees in nineteen sixty nine pave the way for future workplace affinity groups and employee resource groups fast forward to the ninety s and early two thousands. We see current day. Gatekeepers of the internet emerge writer. Steven curious says examined one particular incident from ninety six. The simon wiesenthal center sent a letter to internet providers asking them to regulate white supremacists websites and the internet providers through the through. Like a tech lobby is essentially. They said something that you know is really familiar to us now. The way you can add speeches to let the communities figure out on their on their own so basically it was like very hands off. And that's something that we see with facebook recently not so much with twitter but just throughout the history of the internet. There's been this kind of belief that the bad self kinda just like go away or work itself out or the. The trolls will get tired. And we see now that that really allows problematic and like repugnant behaviour to fester. We fail to protect people from hate speech. And that's a dangerous precedent for online communication these platforms. They routinely repeat the harm marginalized communities already faced harassment. Bullying or trolling. The reach of racial hate has been amplified by the reach of the internet. That's what makes the lack of accountability from tech leaders so devastating essentially the leaders of tech companies have been absent and combating anti-black views this allows racial inequality to prosper through the technology that they create in addition to not calling it out. I think that they weren't thinking about their role in perpetuating it or accommodating you so if you have a moderator or if you have content guidelines these are all mechanisms that we use to regulate spaces and we do it for certain topics you just into wondering like to do these people know that they wrote the guidelines they enforce them in all these other ways in one thousand nine hundred nine. Reverend jesse jackson began speaking about what he called the digital. Divide the discrepancies and access to technology for women and minorities. That was twenty years ago. And we're still discussing it right now. Here's jacqueline gibson. Software engineer and digital equity advocate. I think one of the biggest problems in supplies to the black community but just really any underrepresented identity is what you were talking about access. So do people have the ability to use these tools as the same rate as their more privileged counterparts and there are a lot of problems late to accents like do people have high speed internet. Do they have limitations on their. Why do they have devices in their homes. But another thing. That i think is really important is digital and algorithms literacy so digital literacy meaning. Do you know how to use these tools but the algorithms literacy is important because this really pushes you to understand what's happening with these algorithms with the software etc under the hood. You may remember the hashtag. Black lives matter sprung up in two thousand thirteen. It was a response to the widow of trayvon martin's murder. The following year was a major turning point for the tech industry in two thousand fourteen giants from google to facebook to apple. They disclosed for the first time. How few women and people of color they actually employed that year less than thirty percent of google employees where women only three percent of the workforce was lat next. Only two percent was black disclosing. These numbers set off a frenzy of spending in twenty fourteen. Google spent one hundred. Fifteen million on diversity initiatives in twenty fifteen intel pledged. Three hundred million for diversity efforts over the next five years apple dedicated fifty million to diversity related nonprofits and yet as we know from the previous episode. These dollars don't equate to results. A wired headline from two thousand nineteen summarizes things perfectly five years of diversity reports and little progress and that brings us up to this year the year of solidarity statements. After the murder of george floyd voices advocating for black lives echoed throughout silicon valley. Once again a number of the biggest companies made promises to write enormous checks in the name of becoming more inclusive apple committed one hundred million dollars to hiring and retaining black employees google pledged more than one hundred and seventy five million to racial justice nonprofits. Facebook donated ten million in addition to setting aside one hundred million to support black owned businesses. This year big pledges gig big headlines. Big pledges also signal commitment to change. But what does throwing money at this complex problem really accomplished. How does money help us. Better serve people. We don't know. Here's clyde ford's take the reason to understand that history is so got a company now won't repeat the mistakes of the past now that we understand how the tech industry got to where it is today. We can start working to build a future. Thank you listeners. For taking the time to be with us during the episode and thank you to our incredible guests. They all took the time to record interviews with us. Sindbad voice adkins professor check nets. Ivanka stephen kearse adam. Recco professor kimberly johnson. Clyde ford and jacqueline gibson for the links to the work of our guests you can visit all hyphen turtles. Dot com slash. Podcast if your culture fisa far we would really love. If you took the time to write us a review it means the world to us and it also helps other people find the podcast. Thank you to the team. Behind episodes including marie mccoy thomson for producing editing and writing the show. Thanks jim messenger. He's our mixer as walls during love for the amazing music. And i'm daring boyd. We'll see it episode. Three of culture fit for all dive into the pipeline fallacy.

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White House official who heard Trump's Ukraine call testifies

PRI's The World

45:59 min | 1 year ago

White House official who heard Trump's Ukraine call testifies

"The top National Security Council expert on Ukraine testified in Congress. Today thank you watch Fox News you might think the army colonel is a Ukrainian spy on troubled by the INNUENDO in slander that I've seen ahead on the world I'm Carol Hills this is the world today in oh on October seventeenth and Sunlen confirmed many aspects of the whistleblower complaint says Margaret Taylor a legal expert with the law fair blog jerk on a political rival here at home in exchange for congressionally authorized military assistance to Ukraine the White House says it won't cooperate with the expressed an interest in getting American military equipment trump who decided to withhold military aid from Ukraine said Tis Alinsky quote I would Shington more explosive testimony in the impeachment proceedings Alexander vind men became the first White House official to testify about that now infamous July phone call the actions of the trump presidency revealed dishonorable fact of the president's betrayal of his oath of office betrayal of our national security and people knew it at the time because that's the day an anonymous whistleblower filed a complaint about trump's dealings with Ukraine and that complaint was forwarded to Congress the impeachment inquiry in the house but nearly a dozen current and former officials have already testified the US ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sunlen did between President trump and Ukrainian President Wlodimierz Alinsky on the call trump asked Ukraine's new president to investigate Joe and Hunter Biden is prepared I'd like you to do us a favor. Though and he mentioned investigating the Biden's at least four national security officials were so troubled by what they heard on the coast this but what about another pooch the one that was recovered in the rubble. We've got the scoop on Bob the puppy I'm Carol Hills that story and all according to The Washington Post they raised concerns with a White House lawyer a lot has happened since then but August twelfth is another key date even a few trail of the integrity of our elections on September twenty fourth just over a month ago House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced the impeachment inquiry the following in is July twenty fifth that's when President Trump got on the phone to congratulate Ukraine's recently elected president fled Mir's Alinsky in the phone call silence Gosh look at this sad old man But I immediately think about my grandmother also you may have heard about the American military dog that chase down the leader of Isis the actions toward Ukraine that were outside of the normal diplomatic channels Taylor says Sunland is also trump political appointee and he's one of the key people who have been involved with these efforts along with Kurt Volker and really Giuliani of putting into place day the White House released a rough transcript of that trump Zielinski phone call the president continues to say that this conversation was perfect and even the Ukrainian irks Vinson said I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a US citizen and I was worried about the implications for the US government's support of Ukraine gene with a timeline about what we've learned so far here's the world's Matthew Bell Strands of the Ukraine story go back to at least may of this year but a good place to start this timeline coming put out a statement that that was perfect there was no pressure put on them whatsoever but there was pressure put on with respect to Joe Biden what Joe Biden did I some aspects of his testimony now seem inconsistent with accounts from others who testified William Taylor the top US diplomat in Ukraine spoken lawmakers behind closed doors on October twenty second here's Margaret Taylor again no relation by the way his opening statement which was released provided a pretty unvarnished the whole Ukrainian security assistance was it more what Bill Taylor had to say or was it sort of equally who he is that view of the motivations that appear to have driven trump and others to push for these investigations into president trump's political rivals and these threats certain that something they should be looking others look at the transcript of that phone call and see evidence of a quid pro quo. President trump is asking the Ukrainian president to dig up career diplomat he served under both Republican and Democratic Presidents he is not viewed as someone who has some kind of a partisan agenda need so many people stand up and really listen to his testimony. I think it's definitely both Phil Taylor is a very well respected berry credible or anything like that Margaret Taylor says today could turn out to be another significant moment National Security Council official Alexander Vin men is testifying for US members he's an expert on Ukraine and Russia he was actually on the call one of the things that Republicans have been saying is that the one complain that the House impeachment proceedings are being conducted in an inappropriate even illegal way Margaret Taylor says she disagrees but she says that's an argument and might not hold up for much longer because the Democrats are now calling for a formal vote on Thursday on the impeachment inquiry everything that's been done until now is into the public view for the World I'm Matthew Bell and a quick detour here too it's actually happening in Ukraine and why the US sent nearly four hundred million dollars dollars in military aid there Ukraine government has been engaged in a five year conflict with russian-backed separatists in parts of eastern Ukraine more than thirteen thousand people have think political legitimacy and heft to this process it's also expected to bring more of the impeachment proceedings out from behind closed doors and perfectly fine and legally legitimate this vote also in my view from what I've heard of it we'll be perfectly fine legally legitimate it's more adding worked together and immensely sensitive time where we all had to trust each other I trust him with my life then I would now narrative here's host Laura Ingraham because Colonel Vitamin emigrated from Ukraine along with his family when he was a child and is fluent in Ukrainian and Russian been killed just today military forces from the two sides began withdrawing from the front lines which brings us back to today's testimony by Lieutenant. Colonel Alex Vincent in Washington our country so well and dedicatedly what is it about his personality or character that you observe that gives you such a great sense of him complain and a lot of this testimony is secondhand knowledge but it was actually on the call and he twice registered internal objections about what the president was doing and then the in these inner circle was doing and how they're treating the Ukraine policy and he says he's doing it out of a sense of duty Republicans have and the National Security Council top expert on Ukraine told Congress that Ukraine is a bulwark against Russia but just who is on Fox News they're spinning a judgment is lost and again I'm I'm doing this now and speaking because I feel that now people viciously gone after his reputation sadly I think it's moved from I think that the issues moved from objectively and have been come politicized and when you go that way I find preposterous the Innuendo that he somehow a double agent that was just fear in eight mongering and I thought reprehends and was listening in on the call that famous July twenty fifth call to the President of Ukraine many people listen when presidents are talking to foreign leaders Jim have impugned his character on I've seen him I've seen him for two years in difficult places at difficult times Ukrainian officials sought advice from him on Fox they accused of espionage Republican Congresswoman Liz Cheney background too so I I learned to rely a lot on his judgment absolutely what do you say to those who have misgivings about Colonel Kinman the US government he served under General Peter's whack the retired general says he's deeply troubled by what he calls Innuendo and slander directed at Colonel Veneman we were and is that he was on there he is the NFC subject matter expert for Ukraine and as such if there's a degree of trust environment they should want him to hear that discussion firsthand so they can parse out what exactly happened after the fact no lives on the line and it is shameful questioned their patriotism their loved this nation we should not be involved in that process when Alex Vincent worked in Moscow for I think it offended me enormously including I think a lot of other what you would call fair minded people especially that have known Alex as long as we have seen him when he thought I was wrong and often right but that's what you need when you're in a tight workings small organization where you have to trust each other and and I'm pushing back on his behalf I'm doing it because I know him a bit probably more than more than nine hundred ninety nine thousand people a Belgian Mellon Wa with his tongue sticking out but his name is classified because people might discover who is handler is while all the attention in Washington is on this brave dog talking about him he's a great American and I wanted to get on the record on it now this morning president trump tweeted that he was surprised that Colonel Kinman but in president trump's tweet he sort of was surprised that Colonel Kinman was one of the ones listening in are you surprised by that no I it is a fairly open what you make president whether we voted him or not successful that's our mission retired general Peter Swag served as the US senior ferried a horn the guy who found bob in the rubble furry is a Syrian activist and photojournalist he says after he heard about the administration you would have some subject matter experts somebody had to say he could be on the phone whether it was the NFC after the vote wants official and attaches to the Russian Federation thanks for speaking with US thank you very much for bringing you on who's a good dog the US military won't hey we're referring to the pooch that chased Islamic state leader Abu Bekir Dadi down a tunnel at his compound in Syria yesterday President Trump tweeted a photo of the dog under retired army officer thirty four years he was in doesn't matter if you voted for somebody and it wasn't the president doesn't matter because we work hard what general swag has curl inman ever said anything to you that suggested he was partisan in any way no I don't know how we voted it shouldn't matter pulling in one after another people insisted he should go back find the puppy and bring him to safety it did he says he wrote his motorcycle for four hours. There's another makeup in Syria that we want to tell you about here's the world's Sharon Jafari tiny fluffy and dusty left the site and the puppy that day but he posted a photo of the dog on twitter and of course messages started the way you found out that the pops mother had died in the raid you found her body mangled not far from where the dog loss the data bank both of acquired knowledge but also growing up speaking fluent Ukrainian and Russian and he has that exchange of worry and you're with the world I'm Carol Hills and this is the world in having it we need to show that we are better than that as a nation their their patriotism their love of country we're talking about decorated veterans who served this nation who Germany is racing to bring aging Nazis to justice before they're all gone one of those trials is going on right now in Hamburg a man named Bruno Di is charged with there's a graphic description of the concentration camp in the story earlier this month the defendant was rolled into the courtroom in a wheel poppy in northwest Syria here his running around in the rubble the remains of the compound where Isis leader lip mm-hmm he's a straight shooter and something I respected and it didn't matter refuse a young major and I was read your general he had the courage convictions a juvenile court because he was seventeen when he started working at the concentration camp if convicted he could face ten years in a juvenile facility it seems bizarre but the says a Holocaust trial and as the world's Sarah Birnbaum reports it's raising questions about accountability and whether there are better ways to pursue justice for survivors and a warning here and everyone staring and it is just so strange I mean you're seeing a former Nazi right there in front of you that's been cowan his swayed that killed Baghdadi rushed to the site to take photos and that's where he came across the stock that looked tired and weak the ferry sent us a video is the moment bob arrives at his new home transported NEPAD Use Fox the puppy looks confused that face chair the cameras were flashing like Crazy GonNa die held a red folder up to hide his face once the cameras left he lowered the folder gas chamber so she had very close contact with the guards but no contact that she remembers the defendant Puno die and actually order to prove a Nazi officer or guard guilty of murder German prosecutors had to show a direct link to a specific killing but that changed in the last decade involved in the killing and German prosecutor involved in Holocaust era crimes and heard about it and let's try to see whether we can apply that more than five thousand counts of accessory to murder he was a guard at the St Hof concentration camp in one thousand nine hundred eighty four die is now ninety three but he's being tried I immediately think about my grandmother Ben's grandmother was fifteen when she was deported to stewed half with her mother and her sister Russell her mother was murdered in the gas chamber saying that they thought it would be so nice for their child to have the hair for their doll she has talked about the guards in the camp accompanying them to the wars in the rain found up scooped him up and brought him to his friend's home in a town in Syria he says his friend has two dogs so he for her and he says seeing die for the first time was a little disorienting. You can't help but think gosh look at this sad old man Thomas Vaber is a German historian at the University of Aberdeen in Scotland he works on post Holocaust Justice and he says it was nine eleven case offers judy and rockall both survived but ben says his grandmother often talks about the brutality of the guards from day one the greeting they gave her was yours never getting out of here live and you're all to be doomed and then immediately from their their intake process involved two guards ripping her hair out of her head none of the witnesses remember him in this is important because up until a couple of years ago it would have prevented the case from ever going to trial it used to be against al Qaeda's Hamburg cell that gave German prosecutors a blueprint for how to go after former Nazis in the nine eleven case he says prosecutors her this precedent is opening the door to dozens more cases involving former guards secretaries accountants and switchboard operators simple guard in his opening statement he asked where do we draw the line where should responsibility and these people what is that the crimes that either they themselves so they left once we're subject to will not go unanswered but Vaber says too often the trial for the opening statement he doesn't find the defense's argument these people are not the masterminds of the Holocaust but they're the ones who had but soon walks over to the other two puppies you can see that video announced grand page PRI The world is a man or my wanted to make sure that people first of all remember Holocaust Victims Commemorate them on earth them talk about them I think we Mother Judy Meisel was a prisoner at studio concentration camp and the plaintiff in the case but because she's ninety nine can't travel ben is attending the trial later or Labor suggest a program where perpetrators are even their children or grandchildren would answer letters from Israeli and German school children you should be doing something different. Vaber is proposing something like the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa where survivors perpetrators come face to face through meeting people who are now in their eighties and nineties like glue no die dies lawyer Steffen voter comp says until a couple of years ago no one would have been interested in going after new cases as well and it worked under the new legal strategy anyone who helped and running a concentration camp could be tried as an accessory to the murders there are a distraction the focus turns to whether it's morally acceptable to try ninety three year old and juvenile court he says there's a better way if we investigators came to take her testimony was probably one of the most profound experiences for her as survivor to have German authorities telling her I had thought about how they could implicate people and they're basically just tried out this new idea of how you could try to link people to murder even if they were not directly unbelievable and it's something he says no one should take away from her for the World I'm Sarah Birnbaum back in the ninety pursues these trials in the first place says Thomas Vaber the history professor we as Germans a wit to the victims that we will bring just ninety s Canada's west Edmonton Mall was the place to be that there are perpetrators out there and we want to try to seek justice and we want to know from you what happened was just world Witchcraft has long been still he says the Bruno di trial has been powerful for his family and one moment stands out for my grandmother the day that the it's the largest mall in North America the Mezian family operates it along with the mall of America in Minnesota this week they opened another megamall the a boo Latin America even though it's a large part of religious practice but there's a new vocal generation of people practicing grew up hiding about what happened but even just drying to do something new here the focus would be on the pines at hand but also off retail traffic come for the water slides state for the shoe shopping will the Canadian bet payoff in Jersey holidays are just around the corner you're with the Arken Dream in New Jersey Development started more than twenty years ago back when Amazon only sold books and malls were in their heyday but now we are shutting malls oh I tried to like get rid of ignorance by just like being out how people say like the closet owning your richness coming up on the OH carry out the plan and if they hadn't carried out the plan the scope of the Holocaust would have been far less it's for the Holocaust survivors that Germany on how difficult it is still for Children Anti Gun children actually in both of the cases of detritus and descendants to deal with court TV he was so happy for it's now he's safe at his new home with his new siblings and family for the World Scott of legacy but would it be enough for the survivors Ben Cohen the grandson of Judy Meisel says there are lots of ways to pursue justice career in the information space in Germany a former Nazi concentration camp guard is on trial the grandson of survivor has been watching. You can't help it things I'm for waterpark. And a ski slope support the small Yup an indoor ski slope but the American Dream could become a Canadian nightmare world I'm Carol Hills this is the world where a CO production of the BBC World Service W. H. Pri and PR x t but each Delaney in says this mall is different entertainment drives foot traffic but I think the question in this wall is going to be does the entertainment traffic generate enough today's Nikki Jelena is president of Site Works Retail Advisory Company he told the CBC that the Canadian family is not just building any old mall but basically our building the grammarians put a lot on the line equity in half of their two other big malls they bet the farm and the through the kitchen sink at the mall itself the stakes are high ended of ceasefire is holding on the Turkey Syria border as various parties worked to negotiate so-called safe zone there a spur Turkish President Register type Oregon once had I am over adults that's obvious Zora the head Nazi Hunter Simon Wiesenthal Center in Jerusalem was in the courtroom in Hamburg How to take care of the unique show an undue undo Kayla being a lot more enough they want the Syrians to leave their nation as dirty Bruce Karen reports from Istanbul this leaves many Syrians with an impossible choice a friend to resettle some of the three point six million Syrians who fled to Turkey during the war plan has caused an international outcry but Turkish officials say enough is outside Sandwich Shop in a Tony Stumble Suburb Murat Gungor says the Turkish people do care about refugees they want to help when they can mint began to crackdown work is harder to find rules over residency permits are newly enforced this year human rights groups say Turkish officials coffee brewed on the stove drink that Turkey and Syria both share a Syrian businessman who fled his home town of Latakia with two young sons in two thousand eleven order government and any decision they take the do the right thing at a bakery not far away Jimmy Haji orders a thick sweetened As much as they want if I get kicked out let's say to the safe zone I can't imagine he began to send buses of Syrians who couldn't produce a valid id back to the border would be the amount of money and he says he has no doubt that people want to go back but not while the Syrian dictator but Sharla Saad controls the majority of the country his family from the southeastern city of Ghazi tap now he has to figure out how to get residency card for is tumble before an October thirtieth deadline he's asked the Turkish military failed to seize as much land as they'd hoped Omar Causal Jack is a Turkish analyst for Sita pro government think tank and Angara in order to where his family fled Syria seven years ago in that time Turkish public opinion has shifted after initially welcoming Syrian refugees the governor this office address online I was going to them because I have really complicated situation this situation is that he recently moved would save them from living in tent camps elsewhere since that speech the Turkish military and its backers invaded the Syrian border region but grand plans were cut short could be done at that point the government denies that it sent anyone back against their will but Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch say they have confirmed dozens of it's not to use his name because it's not going well if I really didn't had my Lego papers might Istanbul Kim Leak I would be deported God ed's but Russian President Vladimir Putin continues to chip away his country's democratic institutions take last week a shakeup of Russia's Human Rights Council a group that senators human rights abuses in Russia Katerina Schulman is an outspoken former member former because she was one of the People Putin removed last week she spoke about it with Assam even mops going after sooner features randomly on the street so I think if there isn't a solution in which the refugees can return back too soon injured thousand Syrian refugees and he thinks a lot of people do want to go back to huge tensions inside the Turkey society and that they were fighting the army only the desperate would go back to face these things Haji says but some people area marked with a thirty kilometer wide borders on that he says could house two million Syrian refugees in the accent after admit that the codes of Tokyo will not be achieved in full extent as it seems now even so he thinks there's enough land to support for him ars part of organizing public hearings dedicated to the rights of people in mental institutions so were you just pushing too hard people need to go through them they're people who returned to regime how the areas of Syria report being detained tortured or forced to the publicity and the moral authority attached to their council in making more visible those issues which thoughts important I was a member of Commission on collections rights and I was one of the CO cheers of the working group dedicated to the development of anti domestic violence legislation I if I feel safety in my village don't want nothing to dislike I want to go back on many important issues within an organization that does not have as you say any administrative power in other words did you become a nuisance to the human rights council presences happening any unnecessary words being spoken in the President Sepp presence which leads me to my next question does the human rights council in Russia be so nervous about some activists or some political analysts saying something but I think what they mostly wanted immediate it's whole gas work of course the so-called rotation of the Human Rights Council has to do mostly with the proudest wave of this summer we adkison WD Donaldson we don't say they have to leave but it's better that everyone lives in their own lands we Turks and I personally adding in its current states our political system works on a day to day basis they don't look too far in the future but they need to prevent and we were playing a row and again maybe it was permissible a year ago but now with this changes in public opinion in the public uses what are the bidding liberal George Colson last month Turkish President Reagan type air to one stood up at the UN with a large poster board map the council made a number of the corporations we were visiting police stations after the mass detainers after the meetings in Moscow my colleague Marco Werman at Kettering when you were appointed to the council what did you think were you excited by what you thought you might be able to accomplish I was surprised but if it were so the great what was the need to practically disbanded in such horrid manner it shows that mood taking place the system can no longer allow itself the luxury of dissenting Voice Katrina how did you feel when you got this news Korea or they can go to the European states that would be an increase of Sushi intentions inside Turkey the I've been left off free with my reputation which is about the only thing I have intact I couldn't of course help feeling really well I was presented with a very unpleasant alternatives if I were to stay in the county hey to prevent is his yearly meeting of the President with the council members and things that might have been sad during this the thought that to me a member of the body with such people in it will be a good thing and that it will be possible to use the I met him he makes an appeal for international funding to help Turkey build hospitals schools and homes in the zone to resettle refugees this he said all witchcraft or ru has long been considered taboo in many Latin American countries even though it's a big part of religious practice there but now the next I think old various jointly became in Europe sense not for the council but thread to the presidential administration in the situation when the public support so

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The FTC & the "Algebra of Deterrence"

Pivot with Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway

31:51 min | 1 year ago

The FTC & the "Algebra of Deterrence"

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That's how we're all becoming mayors of every city across this this fine United States of ours. If you've noticed, and there was another one in Florida, there's some new lesbian mayor of lake when it your big cities there. I forget which one ten Tampa Tampa. So I like to call them you're by Chicago, we're going on. Now, I have to run for mayor San Francisco, and then we'll have like a troika of lesbian mayors girding country. That's absolutely. Why you share what we're all brand tar? That's all I'm saying is that how to pronounce ever? Anyway, look, I don't want to speak of game of thrones this week because the only thing on my mind is n game. And the fact that I have not seen it. And it's all over the frigging internet. Do not tell the endgame do not say the end game. I'm so like worried about finding out. Anyway, let's start we're going to just go. No, we're not talking about the minor question. Question about endgame in the avengers. Do they make that movie for a man? Oh, yes, they do. And it's called game of thrones. And we're done and we're out with game starts. All right. Listen big stories are so many big stories. I wrote this week. There's Facebook finds we're gonna get Alon mosque doing his robo taxation thing, we've got deranged Donald there's so much to talk about let's start with something. I wrote this week. They got a lot of attention Sri Lanka banning Facebook bending faced with not just Facebook social media because of the trying to trying to get control of what happened in that country the terrible tragedy there, and they pre banned them. So that that false information. Wouldn't what did you think of that? I was I was a little bit. Actually are actually read your article. And most of the time I read your article, I'm sort of overwhelmed with one word. But this one this one, you know, you had. Actually, I thought it was an important piece. You had a term that I've co opted in adopted as my own he's used the term spinning up violence. Yeah. That perfectly describes what is going on here that these firms, you know, do they catalyze it are they responsible for it? No. They spin it up, and what you said about the notion that that you were relieved and a bunch of people kind of chimed in behind you thought, it was an important notion. What what what kind of response have you had? Well, is it a lot of people are relieved they admitted it they've felt good about it. Because these these companies couldn't get a hold of things, and they were worried for the worse than I thought all these people died, we don't need more of this. Because of you know, there were already had anti Muslim violence. They are and this is a country trying to push toward democracy. Unlike a lot of the other ones, and they were they, of course, did the, you know, if if countries can shut things down than dictators while I'm like, no dictators loved social media because they take over it. They, you know, look in the Philippines with duty day or in Turkey. And wherever they don't take it down. Actually, they abuse. It is what they are. They use it. And so that was there are questions. I wanted to get the debate going like what shutting down is the worst possible choice. But it's in some cases, it's the only choice. So what do we for all the rest? Yeah. Exactly. So it was interesting back and forth. I definitely got first amendment. You know, getting on their first amendment fading couches. But I and I'm like a backer as a journalist and someone who believes in the free thing. I just think these these platforms have not taken the responsibility that old media had in the past the standards, and they're not liable for it. And therefore something has to happen. They have to fix it. They just have to fix the situation. So that's what a couple of things might happen here. The first is so they shut it off. And this goes back to a prediction made last year. I think a country's gonna shut it off and not turn it back on interest. Someone's going to decide. Okay. My sixteen year old is angry. But other than that what what has happened. Here are cats. You know living with dogs says it started raining frogs. No, we're okay. Yeah. And they're gonna do the math and go, you know, what? Maybe we don't turn the switch back on. Right. Well, do you think that's the case and seventies countries? They just don't want to deal with it because they're using. That was Facebook's argument, and I would agree with them that it's used as a communications the ical. And the issue is, of course, it is. But then what like if they're going to have the responsibility of being that they have to have the responsibility of making it work properly at so they want all the good stuff and not none of the bad bad stuff. That's my feeling, but why wouldn't a place like a rogue away or stone, you go Chinese what I mean by that is China. Let's he's firms and long enough to steal their IP kicks them out props up a local entrepreneur and captures the value creation domestically yet. Why wouldn't someone say, you know, what are you destroyed? Our media companies. You have a habit of dinette denying and deflecting when terrible things happen. We're gonna kick you guys out. And if a couple local museum Linders wanna start a social network more power to them. I think a couple of these nations are going. To look at the western way and go you know, what we're going to use. Yep. Yep. It's interesting. It's an interesting. It's an interesting time. And I think will you'll see more of it going going around. And I think one of the arguments what if they did it in this country. I'm like, we don't aren't so dependent on we have so many outlets of media that it's a different story. But you know, of course, it's it's different from country to country, and it certainly if you worry of like, Donald Trump shut he of course, he doesn't want to shut it down. He likes Twitter screaming on Twitter. So it's a really it's a really problematic and confusing situation. I think. You have the best. You had the best sound bite of the week's meeting of violence being came in a close number do Bob Eiger who said Hitler would have loved social media. That's true. He would've he would've. That's true. I agree. And that's where did he say that? An event hosted by the Simon Wiesenthal Center that you know, this isn't about this isn't about first amendment proving to be pretty ugly. I mean. People don't like the move. Yeah. They're move interesting. I don't think it's fair to compare them to Nazis. I would just say it's sort of Nazi ish could've you know, to tarantula ish. Speaking of tarantula or steps to tyranny to do see who Facebook hired as their new county saw that in a PR person to that they hired a big PR person to replace Karen road. So this is replace Collin stretch. Yeah. This is this is an interesting character person. Jennifer new said, she's got she's got a history on her. She helped write the patriotic which is not John, you know. Go ahead, Jerry, right. I'm credibly. Yeah. Yeah. Credibly, I get the sense. You're waiting for me to go gangs ratio. You want to you want? And you want to maintain your credibility. You're like, no, you you jump on the fire here on stretch ever. So I don't really care. So go ahead. And I'm sure she's not going to go. Okay. So so mis- mis- Newstead is clearly a very talented person. Skadden Arps clerked for Justice briar and will be known as the individual that was sort of a tonic the wash down what ultimately legislation that was deemed is unconstitutional. And I would argue, you know, is the results are resulted in a a real loss of moral authority on the part of the US as we figured out a way to justify torture, and we call it came up with a new name for it enhanced interrogation, but this is an individual who is very good at washing down, very, ugly occurrences, and Sheryl Sandberg. Put out a press release saying that. Miss Newstead would help them fulfill their mission in my question to MS Sandra is what exactly is your mission? Yeah. The longest surveillance powers that was in that act are really quite extreme. I mean, I think a lot of people feel that was sort of the beginning. It's not you know, trying to extreme. But it certainly, you know, someone who's known for walking in with someone who gave law enforcement agency, greater surveillance power due to this thing. It's not probably the best. Look, I mean, not that they're gonna go for ACLU person a publicity. No one would do them. So it's problematic. Sure. We'll see. Yeah. I think it's frightening. And then they also hired actually hired a got him John Pinette who sort of billionaire whisper whisper, very talented guy. Yes, meant convinced the world who convinced the world billionaires are a solution to the problem not the cause of the problem. And I I wanna full disclosure. I'm friends with Sean. I like them a lot. I think he's exceptionally talented, and I think has gone to the dark side. And I'm just really I think it's. Terrible. I think he's going to do a great job for them. We're all going to be worse for it. Yeah. It's interesting. He was yes. I'm office Christmas Carlos. That's okay. He was he was worked for Bill Gates, Paul Allen. You know, he's Google for many years in the Asia Pacific. He's from Washington. It'd be you know, it's interesting replacing Karen Maruni who left an a for that Elliott trade. Karen's been there for very long time before that work for Facebook. So it's a new day for sure at this company. I think it's an interesting it'll be an interesting it'll be interesting to to. Oh, does he. Okay. All right. I really do you hoping he's hoping you'll be the forty fifth lesbian, man. Be all right and other stuff. Finalists get to the fine. Oh, gosh. In the parking ticket. That's what I just call it. I just finished a confident airtime saying that's exactly what I call it a parking ticket. Thanks, guys. This is big how much they. Why? Well, I saw. Okay. So think about what's happened here. Well, let's step back a fine. What's the point of government action of fines, the ideas, you know? It's a little bit of retribution. It's a little bit of a fundraising event. But mostly it's meant to serve as a deterrent in the algebra around. Deterrence is pretty simple. And that is the likelihood of the probability of getting caught times the likely fine is greater than the upside of continuing to engage in that illegal activity. Yeah. Right. So the chances of me getting caught doing something times going to jail scares the shit out of me. And I don't do a lot of bad things that I might engage in otherwise. And what has happened here is that Facebook has unwittingly co opted the FTC into what is probably the most value creative day in the history of Facebook. And that is their stock is up thirty billion dollars this morning. The value of Viacom plus throw in FIA Chrysler why because they came out ahead of the fine and said, hey, guess what in exchange we can? Continue to engage in this legal behavior. And it's going to cost us two weeks of income or seven weeks of cash flow and on hearing that the marketplace says fantastic, we're gonna take your market cap up. Ten x the amount of the fine. So not only is this fine, not a deterrent. It is in neighboring this type of behavior and Tim Wu. Professor Tim Wu Columbia. I mean, this guy's a gangster. He's written. I think really important book called the curse of bigness. Yes. A key point. And that is a key step to tyranny is that the government is no longer turns from countervailing forint force against private power to ah co-conspirator. And that's exactly what has happened here is that our government agencies are no longer countervailing forces there co conspirators and the FTC in the DOJ needs to do what happens when you see those signs. It says construction men and women working if you speed here. The fines are doubled they need to say, okay. When we're talking about media. And privacy in an instance, where might be spun into violence as as you have articularly said, then we need ten x fine. So my big theme today to the FTC is ten x zero to that fine and restore the algebra of deterrence. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I'll try sounded. So indignant and arrogant, right? He can that for the call. Algebra of deterrence. I'm gonna mention you love it. I'm writing it down with my dean. There's AO seniors AO d. Hey, we'll see what is air on the end of that. I guess I'm guessing I agree. It's just a ridiculously low fine. And you know, I it's there's all kinds of ideas to find these companies are things, but it's it must. They must have been like oh few five billion. That's all that kind of thing. And it's for what they've done over the past couple of years. I mean, they're getting off further behavior. It's like get out of jail free card less than Google walkout. Organizers say they're facing retaliation and Google saying they're not. And and it's, you know, it's an interesting problem when when people become essentially not wis there was there not whistleblowers. They're there they they want things to change the company are being public about it. They get impacted Scott. What do you think I've always thought, and you've reinforced those is that Google is actually a lot more tolerant of dissent than most companies usually. Yeah. But not in the back in the back part of it. Right. There like shirt, and then these the doesn't help you when you've done this. If you don't go along to get along. So there are tolerant, but should it. I mean realistically, should it help you because you're being difficult. Yes. Yes. He should be able to say we want company like Google, Google, always talks about they have these meetings. They talk about how everybody counts if they're going to do that. They should just say, no, we're just Microsoft. So just hush up and sit in the back. That's that's what I said. They just they just go on and on and how open they are. So they're going to be this way. And they want it to their way or the highway then they should say that. Yes. Okay. So we can have a conversation around what should happen. I think the conversations what will happen. And that is if you work for four profit public company, and you publicly shame them you better be willing to kill the prince if you're gonna stab him or her. And so you probably throwing yourself on the funeral pyre here because you're the CEO of a company, and yeah, you're going to give some lip service to it. But you don't need individuals going public with your dirty, laundry and more power tour. She might be. She might be right. I would argue personally she's probably not being that effective, and there's very few for profit companies that legitimately want to endorse this type of behavior. And I think a lot of them are open to sing. All right. How do we fix this problem? How do we how do we do it internally where we're very open at us. And my sense. From Europe porting is Google's actually quite tolerant or quite oatmeal. No, when I said is they have all these mechanisms which I now think are just to let off steam, you know, they have all these they have so many message boards galore. They all yell at each other. Other from everything from like, how the caboose tastes to, you know, more serious topics, and that is obviously a serious topic. But they talk that they talk about that a lot actually food on these things, but they argue with each other about letting and they dozens and dozens of these boards, and then they have these these meetings that they have every Friday these the with this used to be with Larry and Sergei where they get the people get to mouth off as much as they want. So it's a very mouth off culture. But it may be just to let off steam and like not you're right. I mean, you can't re once you start to really go down that road people really don't tolerate if you keep complaining, unless you are so valuable to the company that you can continue to do that until you are, you know, they are also they also covered up a lot of sexual harassment stuff like in paying people off and being quiet and quietly letting people out the door, which is very typical of every other company in Silicon Valley is that sh, you know, hush leave here take this bag of money and leave sexual harasser, for example. So. I don't know. Scott makes me sad makes me it. Does it does? It's just like, they should you should be able like this particular culture talked about being open, and it's not really opened his it hit. You're right. It's just they wanna make money and stop stop complaining and go back to your massage chair immediately kinda thing. Don't become a run for their. That's right. That's what I'm saying. For example. Yeah. But even at journal even companies if you complain too much I used to complain a lot about things at the Wall Street Journal, I can tell you. They didn't like it too much. Yeah. But I don't I just don't think. That's I don't think that's surprising. And I don't think I don't think that's going to change. And I think that's the world we live in and that's part of our economic model, and it sucks to be a grownup. Tar three tars wouldn't say this. She would go in with an that's unfair. You're right. You know, when you're right span of tar the're like in the name of truth in the name of the mother, who's the guy who owns all the horror houses the lately guy. What's his name? Oh, little finger little your little finger. That's what you are right now. Oh, sorry. Listen, we're talking. Now. We're talking my language. We're going to take a quick CAD break when we get back. We're gonna to the fails and predictions. You've probably heard about the crazy perk. 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She got fired is editor in chief before the thing even launched and we did a really really good podcast on on what she thinks happened. Obviously, they think that didn't happen opposite way. And it's gonna be really interesting because the funders are seemed to be taking her side, or at least looking over very carefully. But they had a break up between the founders before the thing this. This was supposed to be dated journalism in Julianne one's a very well known well respected dated using data to do journalism about the tech industry. And she's on some great pieces about how Facebook, for example, has racial does target your racial lines and things like that. And so it's an intra it was an interesting podcast this morning. I think it's a Wynonna fail that she did it. And then and that they they fired or I think it's a it'll be really interesting. What happens we we made her a win? For this markup thing that they were do this this data journalism things. So mostly it's hard to be a media company. These days Scott. I don't know. I think it's pretty hard to sell. This is compelling onboard listening to it care. What are we talking about data journalism? What is you are literally you just need like shiny object. What do you like who? Do you like watch? What I like vitamin water to poli nephew flicks. The Alice and what else and cannabis rooms of five generals. I'm not going to speak to you anymore. I think you're going to have to go like anyway that was a fail. I think in my win. And then we'll go to yours was George Conway again with deranged Donald house. You love him. I don't love him. I I have a complex feelings about him. But I do think he's very funny on Twitter. And I think he's using it beautifully. And so he started the hashtag deranged, Donald, and I think it's just it's catching on I have to say I hadn't even thought of that. It was demented. Donald there was you know, dorky, Donald whatever. Anyway, it's working perfectly his Donald thing. And I think it's, you know, George, Conroy is what what is he told me George Conway is the Melania Trump of. Of DC both of them are fairly unimpressive people. But when they stand to their spouse, they seem amazing. Well, okay. He's pretty funny. He's pretty funny. Now, here's funny. But there's a lot number two. We think he's fascinated because he stands next to his wife, and we're like, wow. What a neat neat decent guy. Yeah. That's true. But I don't know. It's more decent. He's being really quite invite him to code. We should roll it back. I have I have texted him. I have dmt him. I'm trying to get him to do apply. Everything George Conway, please, please. I will I would love to talk to you about your use of Twitter, and I'd be happy to talk about others to anyway. So win for me. Anyway, I'm keep trying. Anyway, go ahead wins and loses. So I mentioned one of my winds. Bob eiger. I think he's showing a lot of courage and saying things that's on everyone's mind, but sort of a different one I got off the couch this past weekend. And I went and saw my first Broadway show in a while. I took my boys to see King Kong, and it was wonderful, and I looked around and the thing that really kind of struck me was you have an orchestra of live musicians. Not something streamed off of Spotify. You have actors who are an actresses and dancers who are part of the union probably making not a great wage, but a living wage and ushers that are part of a union. And I thought, you know, this is just great entertainment. It's not about scale. It's not about a few people sequestering billions of dollars. It's about an outstanding medium that is supporting the middle class and creativity and a bunch of kids who grew growing up probably thought, you know, I'm different right? You just see a lot of people on stage. And you think all right that kid probably got a lot of shit when he or she was in junior high school, and they found a way to New York and they're doing something inspiring. So I just felt great about getting off the couch turning off net flex and watching my kids just in distant. Aw of what these guys these people were able to do on stage. And it was really it was just sort of an ice joyous dad thing. So my win is Broadway and their approach to labor their approach to wages and anyway, a brief mom. -ment of inspiration outside of Netflix or HBO. All right till we bear while I own everything now in entertainment like, right? He's pretty the now Marvel's opening with this movie. You know, it'll be enormous moneymaker. He's sort of got got everything he's got every and they bought FOX. He's got every piece of the at least the entertainment pie. He's got all the good ones. You just literally rolled over my King Kong. You didn't even hear it. I heard your you didn't even say, I don't like those big things. I didn't want insult your love of that. That's fine. I like the small shows which are now dying because those big giant shows roll through. But it's okay. I like the small giant they put this literally this gorilla on stage, and you hear this things breath. It was incredible little little cute shows off off Broadway. No, no. I like the big when I are doing an off Broadway show. We are going to sing God guitars, a lesbian journalist. He's an angry depressed professor with this function in their wacky. Neighbour is Evan Spiegel. Come on. You get to that. I don't think you buy tickets for that. The sad play. All right fails. Sounds like sounds very bad. It sounds like that's like Showtime failure still on the Showtime to Showtime giant overwhelming Broadway show. What's your fail? My fail. Seriously is in this goes back to a prediction as the board of tesla. Yeah. I mean, do you realize Ilan must admitted? Okay. But hold on. He's committed Markelle manipulation. Again, you nnounced a million autonomous cars within a year, which is his way of saying, my business makes no fucking sense. So I'm going to try and create a distraction and talk about something else. Which by the way is not only an exaggeration. It's a lie. It is physically impossible for a million Thomas cars on the road within a year from tesla. And what this is is a terrible head fake trying to say don't look at my core business. I've got invent something else and his board is so clearly out to lunch. They don't realize the SEC is about to make this market manipulation exhibit B. This board is asleep at the switch, and it's going to cost shareholders huge when it becomes clear. There's no truth. There's no veracity the statement in the SEC is about to go gangster on this guy. This is. Prediction and a fail the same time. Yeah. But I still have other predictions telling you, I will go ahead. Go for it. I think that's interesting. I mean, I I I'm not gonna comment on that move along go. So so look we've just to revisit I want to do a better job of holding ourselves accountable predicted that Twitter and snap. We're gonna declined dramatically. And I was wrong. They both reported fantastic earnings numbers. And they seem to be figuring it out. Just you look at the numbers. And there's no denying that these firms are doing well. Yeah. Except for that closed-door meeting with Donald Trump, send hellish we also we also predicted. We also predicted that Facebook. I don't know if you remember this I predicted when Facebook was at one fifty nine one hundred by the end of the year, it went down to one thirty nine and you gave me a little bit of shit for that. And now it's back towards two hundred. I think Facebook shows no signs of of of letting up, and then my my prediction is that by the end of this year of Facebook. Executive is detained in arrested, and it's on foreign soil. Oh, I think the rest of the world part of the world. I think the rest of the world has not lost the script. And they realized that the government is supposed to be a counter, you know, a countervailing force to private influence, and I think the rest of the world is is we're fed up. I think the rest of the world is literally throwing up in their mouth. And I think they're going to arrest. Somebody wasn't there. There was outstanding arrest warrants for some Google exacts in Italy and Germany a couple of years ago. So it was it was quite dicey. I remember talking to Google and others about it would what country what country for the Facebook say, oh, I have no idea. Although I think the country that sort of the Elizabeth Warren geopolitically, and that is the kind of the intellectual leader is Britain. If I were Mark Zuckerberg, I would not be flying. My my Gulfstream six fifty extended range plane over anywhere near British airspace. Because I think they will escorted down and put cuffs on the guy, and wow, that's interesting. You know? That they had they had they've they've wanted him. There a lot and there's been a lot of a lot of controversy of him not appearing to their committees. And everything there we have a CEO of one of the largest companies in the world and kind of the object of our affection, and you know, the the kind of Jesus Christ of innovation and the thing we point to the CEO of that company can't appear in front of parliament of an ally for fear that he might be arrested that that's literally where we are. You think that's why because he just doesn't want to go. He will be. He will be. I think the answer's yes. I think his I think he'd rather do other things, and I think probably his legal counsel who. Now, you know is is again, the enhanced interrogation lawyer is probably saying, no, you probably should pro. You know? See man you play in the Premier League some other time we don't need to be in Britain for awhile. Okay. That's interesting. And then I I we saw a Pinterest zoom ago out and all and did okay. They didn't pretty good. They didn't go down. And we obviously are about to see Uber going out, which we'll talk about in the next few weeks. I think it's the next two weeks you'll be going out and the of people by their their their story of freight eats and other things when they they're facing these exponential issues around drivers and pricing and things like that. Which an apparently there'll be a thousand what how how many cars million cars, you say that on the road. Yeah. He's hotel slow. So that there was going to be a million autonomous cars. But the Uber I Pio I call it. The I call it. You know, it's so nice to see the Lord's in America, taking revenge on the surf's. Finally, so nice to see the Lord's getting. There's finally finally so yeah, the twenty two or whatever it is eighteen thousand people at at Ube. Uber again so questioning one hundred twenty billion dollars in value from the foreign drivers. But anyway. We'll see the wards versus serfs IPO I want. That's my new. That's my new talk track. Lord's verse. The Lord's take advantage on the surf's finally back to game of thrones. Somehow, but let's not stay there. I'm interviewing the mayor of San Francisco. The actual mayors Francisco London breed on Monday there in San Francisco. So that should be an interesting question. There's all kinds of stuff around techies and money, and the idea of there's a there's a possibility introduced an IPO Tech's that people will pay one point five percent of their stocks, something I forget, I I have to look at it more closely before he talked to her on. It was introduced in the in the city council, the idea of paying more for these people have all these things because of the the the impact on the city in terms. I think probably the answered all of it is more affordable housing, but but they, but including homelessness, including everything I do think that'll be an interesting discussion with her where's Benning off on. I don't know. I got a call him. I had a call. He's in Hawaii right now. I think or somewhere whatever he's probably watching game of thrones too. By the way, Elon Musk likes game of thrones. Just like you to say, you know, oh that hurts. Long loves it. He loves it. Any case Scott, enjoy your time at Boynton beach. I will be talking to you. I think from San Francisco next week from San Francisco. Yes, I will tell you how that went and enjoy yourself, and I will see you soon where are you going this week? I don't know the only thing I know that's happening. This week is season. Eight episodes three other than that. 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S4 Ep. 3: The Nazi and the Republicans

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As a member of Louisiana's Republican State Central Committee she helped to manage the state party from behind closed doors. Ricky liked watching the action from a slight remove making droll asides about the frontline players. But sometimes she couldn't resist speaking a little louder here. She is a nineteen ninety-one in an interview for a radio documentary. I get really angry. If I think someone is getting stepped on but I hate to be. I hate criticism. I mean I'm like this real sensitive person, so it's like this is not what I should be doing. Ricky grew up in a big house in Lafayette Louisiana and she had the bearing in the booth on Hairdo of a southern debutante. She idolized her father Horace Ricky. Who died when she was young? Horace fought in World War Two and helped liberate the German death camps. He'd also been a key figure in the Louisiana. Republican Party back when segregationist. Democrats ruled the south. Beth grew up believing that the GOP stood for rectitude and morality. Before David, Duke got elected to the Louisiana State House of Representatives. She still believed it. In one thousand, nine hundred nine ricky was a thirty two year old graduate, student and political science at Tulane in New Orleans. She was also working dukes opponent in that. House race John Trine. During that campaign ricky spent a lot of time reading up on Duke and the two Lane Library. The material that she uncovered shocked her. I come bounding up the stairs with all. These book lists and ridings and And I said you know. My God the Nazi. He's not only ahead of the clan. He's a Nazi. The trine campaign presented Ricky's findings voters. A photograph of Duke Nazi, Regalia Dukes claim as a college student that Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf was the greatest piece of literature of the twentieth century, his long-standing embrace of eugenics. So, we thought that if you get the message out about David, Duke people would be shocked and they wouldn't vote for him. I don't think the strategy worked. When Duke won the seat Ricky felt shaken and discouraged, but she wasn't ready to give up her. Two weeks after election day in March nineteen eighty-nine. She followed Duke to Chicago. He was going to speak at the national. Convention of the Populist Party the fringy far far-right group that had backed his run for the presidency a year earlier. Ricky wanted to hear what David Duke said when he was among friends. Hanging out with a bunch of midwestern fascists was a surefire way for Duke to sully has cleaned up image. But these were the people who had rejuvenated dukes political career, and who had helped bankroll his successful run for the State Legislature Duke decided that he couldn't turn his back on them. Ricky had registered for the populist party convention as a journalist and Duke speech was closed to the media. To get into the room. Ricky went undercover as a member of the party. The guards at the door I found out later. They were with the American. Nazi party in Chicago. If I had none that I. Don't know if I'd be so brave now that they I pretended one 'em was a friend of mine and said Hey, how you doing. How's your family has wife? I'm glad he was married. Ricky got past the guard and found herself among skinheads. A Neo Nazis in front of this crowd David Duke felt comfortable talking strategy. So he said I may be a Republican by always be a populist and something like that, and then they all cheered. I felt like I, was in on dirty little secret ha, HA, ha! Liquid didn't Louisiana. pull the wool over their eyes, and he was using the Republican Party and that just made me mad. After that closed meeting Duke was photographed, shaking hands with a man named Art Jones. Jones was the vice chairman of the American Nazi. Party That picture would run in newspapers all over the country. This wasn't the image the Duke wanted to project. When he got back to Louisiana, he wind that the media had treated him unfairly. Duke said probably truthfully that he never met are Jones before and he called Jones Nazi Kook. Duke also claimed not at all, truthfully that the populist party was simply an anti-tax organization. And Duke said he repudiated any efforts of extremist groups to capitalize on his electoral victory. Beth rickey knew that last part was ally. She been there when Duke had told a roomful of extremists that he was one of them. She'd also heard Duke admit that he was a Republican in name only. Ricky had a clear mission. Stop the Republican Party from becoming the Party of David did. She had no idea how hard that would be. This is slow-burn. I'm Josh Levin. Episode. The Nazi and the Republicans. Billy non loyalty to the Republican. Cause was boundless and he couldn't help expressing it. Here! He is with radio. Reporter Gary Casino in Nineteen, ninety one three years after none Gasser became chairman of the Louisiana Republican. Party. Tell me with that big thing is in your parking lot. That's an elephant that. Bought some years ago? That is Life, size as you noticed. Tell it around. Yeah Yeah I told her I. Have Someone told to where we want? I bought it in a weak moment one time. None guests who grew up working class in New Orleans. He became a self made millionaire. The proprietor of a seafood canning company and a catering firm for oil rig workers the writer Quinn. Hillier says none. Gasser was the life of the Republican Party. So? He had this persona of this roughneck, and he was a burly guy in strong. But if he was at a wedding or something, you might see him in A. all white suit with a bright pink shirt and a bright orange tie. Very excitable. Very pithy very earthy. All in this one big package of energy, he was like like nobody I've ever known. When none Gasser was elected chairman of the State Party. He told his fellow Republicans. We are the good guys. David Duke joined the party less than a year later. During dukes race against John Trine, none gessler said that a victory for the klansmen would be a disaster for the party, the state and the nation. When that disaster came to pass, none guess her had a decision to make. He could either disavow in elected Republican officeholder, or he could embrace the most notorious Bigot in American politics. The Chairman of the National Republican Party Leah Water made his position on David Duke very clear. And this man's got a twenty year history of participating in Klu. Klux Klan Nazi activities. There's no place for this. Republican Party not as long as I. AM sharing. During the State House race at Water Ronald Reagan and the newly elected George H, w Bush all denounced duke. After Duke out elected, the Republican National Committee voted to censure him into deny duke, any form of aid and assistance atwater called excommunication. I. Don't care what he's been elected not. Is something I feel very strongly about. And I'm letting my moral compass takeover rather than my political compass, so I'm going to tomorrow coming from Lee atwater. This was an unexpected. Move a Little Lake Satan saying he was installing central air conditioning. At water was notorious for his vicious recycle politics. In a nineteen eighty-one interview released after his death at water, explained that Republican politicians hid racist policies behind race neutral code words. You start at nineteen fifty four by saying Nigger Nigger nigger. By nineteen, sixty eight, saying that hurts you back. Say stuff like a fourth buzzy. States, rights and all that stuff and you get so extract now you're talking about cutting taxes and all of these things you're talking about totally economic things in the five five. Get hurt, worse. At water had been George Bush's campaign manager in nineteen eight when he ran for president against the Democrat Michael Dukakis, that election turned on a campaign ad about a felon named Willie Horton. Who was black? Despite a life sentence Horton received ten weekend passes from prison. Ordin fled kidnapped a young couple, stabbing them in and repeatedly raping his girlfriend weekend. Prison Passes Dukakis on crime. The Bush campaign didn't make the ad, but atwater loved it. He said he wanted to make Horton. Dukakis's running mate. Before nineteen, eighty nine Beth rickey had never criticized the Republican Party's racial politics. But she told the independent radio journalists played a Robinson that the rise of Duke made her reevaluate her views. The Republican Party has had a platform for a number of years of being opposed -firmative action and minority set asides. and has appealed to the white southern voter in a veiled way. Willie. Horton Willie Horton is a classic example of that? But their greatest Maher was that some out and out racist would come along and say. This is the home of the Republican Party is for racist. For Billy Gasser David Duke was a different kind of nightmare one that was threatening to rip apart the Louisiana Republican Party. Elected officials in Louisiana had to choose sides very quickly. Just before Duke was scheduled to take his oath as a state representative, an independent legislator named Don Bouquet an objection. Bokke said the Duke had violated the State's residency requirements that he hadn't been living in Jefferson. Parish district eighty one for long enough that meant his victory was illegitimate. If the people of of district eighty-one want someone like that. To be their representative. That's their right. That's America. They can vote for him. As long as it is legal. And if it's not legal. And it wasn't. Than not matter how they voted, he should not have been seated. None of dukes opponents in that district eighty-one Ray said challenged residency. Bokke was raising the issue now because he hated everything, Duke stood for he was using parliamentary procedure to take a moral stand. And the Republicans in the state. House hated him for it. What did you hear from your legislative colleagues kind of behind the scenes? It was stupid that there was no way that I was GonNa, win the put them through making a vote if they have to vote. There on the record. As colleagues were right, he didn't come close to winning. sixty-nine stay representatives voted to give duke his seat thirty three voted against Duke, only three of them were Republicans. Duke was now officially state representative and a member of the Republican legislative, Caucus. It was easy to denounce dukes victory from Washington. It was much harder when his message was resonating in your own backyard. None guests didn't want Duke gather strength. But the Republican chairman also knew that attacks on Duke were creating a backlash in Louisiana. Because the press in every case. Comes on and says this Nazi this Klux Klan. and. People expect when they start paying attention. They expect him to talk about where they gonNa Lynch black tonight, and maybe where they going to Gasa Jew. And he knew that. And when they don't hear that. They almost receptive when he comes with a legitimate message. Say Hell this guy in. Bahrain in houses churches. You want about Duke. And then when he don't turn out the this monster, you give him more credit for not being the monster. Then you would give somebody who's never been a monster. If none, guests are excommunicated too from the. Louisiana. Republican party can risk losing. Every voter liked what was saying. and. That could be a lot of voters. All of that was a non gas head when Beth. Rickey came to speak with him in March nineteen, eighty nine. When Ricky told the chairman about David Duke speech to the Populist Party. He advised her to keep quiet. None Gasser said that making a big stink about Duke might give him the attention he craved. Beth rickey didn't want to defy billy Gasser, but she continued gathering intelligence on David Duke. She had help from a two lane. PhD Student named Lance Hill. Health had been monitoring Duke for a long time. In the early nineteen eighty, he started looking into Duke so-called Civil Rights Organization the National Association for the Advancement of white people. I subscribed to his paper under a phony name. and then I even went out and met him. He had two sets of literature one on one side of the wall of the W. W. P. The new improved racism. And on the other while was all the Nazi stuff. He kept trying to push the AA WBZ. Stuff on me and I'd say. What about this book over here, `Bout did six million really die? And he said well. Don't worry. The does just read this for now. You know kind of Bait and switch. Get hooked on the milk, toast, racism and the need. Drop the real stuff later. In April of one thousand, nine, hundred nine two months after took off as as a state representative help place the call to the N. W. W.. P.. The person who answered the phone said David Duke District Eighty one. I will ask odd. And so I called Bath and said I bet he still selling all of these Nazi books out of his basement there in Missouri right with his legislative office. To confirm their suspicions Helen Ricky started placing orders for books popular among White Supremacists. Here's how Ricky told the story to play Robinson. Lance call NASA the Turner Diaries and They said Oh. Sure we have it so I went and bought up. They know me at that point, then over a period of three weeks I sent in. I, had someone call and ask for. Do you have Hitler was? My friend had the book list and they said just a minute. Our out of that, but we do have mine comp. I'll never forget that I thought that was so funny, so we bought all these books, and then they gave us because we're such good buyers. bonus These little books on eugenics on breeding amass race. You know, so. It was kind of a lawn. Yob is called around here little extra. Ricky now had clear proof that the new David. Duke was really the Old David Duke. So, she reached out to billy non gessler again. But none geezers position hasn't changed. He said that she was stirring up a Hornet's nest and the going public would just give Duke Free Publicity. Ricky was at an impasse. She didn't WanNa add fuel to dukes movement, but she knew what she believed and she had hard evidence to confirm those beliefs. What Ricky needed was guidance and a path forward. She got it from an unexpected source, a Holocaust survivor who never thought of herself as an activist. Let's take. A. 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Flood lines the new podcast series from the Atlantic. It's about Hurricane Katrina in the city of new. Orleans my hometown and the birthplace of the season of slow-burn. Flood lines follows the lives of four people who lived through Katrina and its aftermath. And it reveals how government failures misinformation led to tragedies far beyond what the hurricane caused. Host van newkirk shows what we can learn today from that disaster fifteen years ago. You'll hear a sneak preview of flood lines at the end of this episode. You can hear more at the Atlantic Dot Com slash flood lines or wherever you get your podcasts. On June. Sixth Nineteen, eighty-nine and Levy got on a chartered bus to the Louisiana. State Capitol in Baton Rouge. I was there was a whole lot of people from New Orleans. Some survivors. And we just went there to visit to see the exhibit. The exhibit had been brought to the capital by Jewish human. Rights Organisation the Simon Wiesenthal Center. It was called the courage to remember in. It showed the history of the Holocaust and photographs. There were pictures of burning synagogues and starving children. For an Levy this exhibition was deeply personal. Leave. He was born in Poland in nineteen, thirty five. The German army invaded her homeland for years later. The Happy Time said I remember is right before the war a walking with my parents. Getting ice cream and balloons on a Sunday afternoon. And that stopped abruptly. Less than one percent of Jewish children in Poland survived the Holocaust by the end of World War Two the Nazis had killed at least three million Polish Jews. Levy, her younger sister, and her parents faced horrifying deprivations, but miraculously they all made it out alive. They may actually be the only nuclear family to survive the liquidation of the Warsaw ghetto. They lived in part because Levy and her sister managed to stay hidden for twelve hours every weekday for as long as five months. There was like a dower chest. So you'll lifted the top and you could store things in it. So, my father made a false bottom. And on the top, if you lifted the top or you so was old rags and old newspapers, and in the morning before they went to work. My sister now would go in there. And it was totally dark. Dark. And you spend the day just sat there. I don't know how we did it but circumstances. And A different time in the world. When you? We had to do what we were told. Leave he was a very small child during those years in Poland. People think that just because I was young. How could I remember? When I saw an with my own eyes would happen to people when they died in the street. For example if the head closing on them? It would be gone. I remember seeing these dead bodies naked. And Somebody Would come by and maybe cover that body with newspaper. How could you forget that? I don't care how old you are. Levy and her family gaped the Warsaw ghetto in nineteen, forty, two or nineteen, forty three and passed his. Christians until the war was over. But an still had to stay out of sight as her curly hair and olive complexion gave away her Semitic heritage. When she made it to America nineteen, forty nine. She did her best to leave the past in the past. You have to realize that when we came here as survivors. It was like okay. Forget what you experienced in Poland. And you put up this. Shade and you start a whole new life. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, nine and leave. He was a fifty three year old New Orleans Grandmother, and she owned and operated an antique store with her husband. She'd started to open up very tentatively about what she lived through during the Holocaust. But when she got on that chartered bus to baton rouge, she wasn't expecting to get involved in any kind of conflict. She was going to look at the photographs in the Capitol Rotunda, and to listen to speech from Louisiana's Governor Buddy Roemer. But then leave. He saw someone she didn't expect to see. But I noticed David Duke coming in. and. Couldn't imagine what he was doing there. The Wiesenthal Center had brought its exhibit Baton Rouge because of David Duke. The images on display at the state capital refuted dukes core beliefs. They showed very starkly. What exactly Holocaust deniers were denying? Duke had kept quiet about the Holocaust when he ran for the State House. But after the election, a New Orleans TV reporter confronted him about his views. Host of the twentieth century. Talking about the Holocaust, being a hoax. Saying that the that the atrocities were exaggerated in Europe. Do you believe a thing where? I think it's possible that some of the atrocities were exaggerated. An Levy had been following dukes rise to power with increasing horror. She wasn't sure why he'd come to the capital. Maybe he'd wanted to prove he couldn't be intimidated by a bunch of Jews. Whatever the reason she wanted to keep an eye on him. He was going from posted poster. Looking at these horrible pictures. And it was also his demeanor with his hands behind his back, like it kind of flashed back with the German offices you to walk around like. And He had the same mannerism. As headless henchman. and. Stayed in my mind and that's what came to my mind. At that particular moment, I thought I had to speak up. It took over my body and I just had to deal with. I tapped him on his show. And nothing happened He. He noord me I did that three times. And finally. He turned around. and. I just got to ask him what I don't know. Why are you looking at the posters? I thought you said. It didn't happen. And that's when he turned around and sort of A. Foul Mood. He said. I didn't say it didn't happen. I said it was exaggerated. Well! Lost, my cool low bid because for him to tell me. that it was saturated. I realized demanded what he was talking about. And when that happens, he started walking off. And I tried to follow him, but. His a much longer than mine and he just laughed. Press took notice of Duke skirmish with Holocaust survivor. Journalists Jason Berry was in Baton Rouge that day. He got out of that part of the capitalist as he could. And I managed to you know trail around and find him and I went up to him and I said. What do you think about all this? And He said well, I'm being accused of. Orwellian thought crimes. Which I thought was quite striking statement. When he was cornered by reporters. Duke said I know there were terrible atrocities against the Jewish people. But. He insisted that it was fair to question certain aspects of the Holocaust and he said that he rejected the politicization of the whole thing. If Duke had gone to the exhibition to show, he couldn't be intimidated. His behavioral proved the exact opposite. He didn't WanNa talk about the Holocaust he didn't want to talk to a Holocaust survivor. And Levy as a family friend I've known for a long time that this moment and Baton Rouge. Her. But didn't understand how important. I never wanted to be in the papers and I never wanted to. Make a nuisance of myself. But. It was something if behind baby myself. A Nuisance David took that I didn't mind I was. Very in the back person that doesn't speak up and really changed my life. It changed. In, away my children look at me differently. Because I did speak. Levi's encounter with David Duke wasn't just consequential for her personally. It helped shape the entire. Anti Duke Movement. Beth rickey heard right away about what Anna Lee had done. She thought that Levy had showed tremendous courage in exposing. David Duke and public. She wanted to back levy up. To summon the same kind of strength and conviction. Confronting Duke, directly also seemed like smart strategy. It, clearly through off his game, and it was sure to draw attention from the press. The next day. Ricky brought the Nazi book. She purchased to the state capital. She met the media outside the Louisiana houses committee rooms. Later she did an interview standing in front of the Holocaust exhibition absolutely outraged. This man has the gall to. Put literature that says the Holocaust was a hoax. The New Orleans media thought Beth rickey was onto something. Duke says the books that were available at his office. Don't necessarily reflect his views. This is not the issue what I'm doing the legislature. This is not the issue that that I'm. Standing up for? Sure it's. Again this book right here this weekend. This book right here. You can find that. Will they bookstore? Do, quit alternately vowed a stop selling Nazi books part of his never ending project to present himself as a changed man. But. Ricky's expose had worked. She'd embarrassed Duke and laid bare who he was. You'd think David Duke would have seen Beth Rickey as an implacable enemy. You'd think he might have worked to discredit her or maybe just ignored her. Instead, he did something surprising. He tried to win her over. Two weeks after Beth Rickey publicized David Dukes Nazi book-selling operation. She invited a couple of friends over to talk about where the anti-drug movement should go next. Around ten PM the phone rang. It was duke. Beth Rickey and David. Duke spoke for three hours that night. He told her that Iceland had a superior culture, and he talked about sperm banks and his love of nature. In the background, he played the song silent running by Mike and the mechanics on repeat. That was the first in a long series of phone calls in the summer of nineteen eighty. Nine Ricky thought it was bizarre. The Duke wanted to talk to her, but she saw it as an opportunity a chance to get them to open up and reveal his true intentions. Ricky didn't quite understand who she was dealing with. David Duke started working on her right away. He would do things that were very disarming. You know he would say. Hey? There's something on TV. I think you'd find interesting. And I would say to him on occasion. Please don't tell me anything that you don't repeat it. All I. Know You wouldn't do anything to hurt me. We're you know we're going to be friends? And non it was very clever of him. Ricky found that Duke had no sense of humor and that he only wanted to talk about himself. He saw ricky as a potential conquest intellectually and maybe romantically. Here she has with played Robinson. He was reading. His book finders keepers to me over the phone. I'm thinking I've got to do this for the sake of his street. And he's three leading this how to keep a man and how to keep a man interested in you? And he said Oh one way to do. It is to attack and publicly. At the state capital. I'm like I, said David I. Don't go out with Nazis or something like that. Duke and Ricky's relationship would remain platonic. That summer. Duke tried to convince her that he was a family man. One day night he showed up at Ricky's place with his two adolescent daughters, his children from a marriage that ended five years earlier. So He insisted he wanted to go to a bar. We had these two kids with us. You're like Daddy. We don't want to go to a bar and they are dislike. It was strange conversation going he'd say T- Erica tell miss, Beth about how I used to dress up in a clan. Rove is akin. She said Daddy. That embarrasses me, but. He kind of nor the children you know. I had to give him money to go play video games and it was. It was just a real bizarre evening. Beth rickey had been trying to evict duke from the Republican Party. She busted him selling. Nazi literature. The only reason they were talking was because she'd taken it upon herself. Mask Him. But. She explained to play Robinson. All these conversations were having an effect she hadn't. It's like being how captive by somebody you get kind of goofy and start identifying with your captors, so to speak and I would call people at night and say look deep program me. You. Know I've gotten all this stuff in my hat. Ricky was still investigating Duke digging into the identities of his campaign donors and his bogus claims about serving in the military during the Vietnam War, but she was also going on drives with him, listening as he sang along to the impossible dream from man of La Mancha. Duke told Ricky that he wanted her to call another press conference in this time. Tell the world she'd been wrong about him. That wasn't going to happen, but ricky still need debris. dukes spell to remind herself what she was up against. That reminder came in August nineteen, eighty-nine when Duke started chatting her up about the Holocaust. We had lunch at a Chinese restaurant in metairie. Here we are at lunch having lunch and we're talking about bodies at death camps and he was telling me how. In sort of Conspiratorial tone leaning over and saying you know, bet really didn't happen. and. Finally I one leader David he said yeah passes. Are you out of your mind? And whole Ram me. Life is going on. Here these. Normal people sitting there, eating Chinese food and we're talking about him going to visit one of the death camps in Europe, Mount House and I believe scraping the walls. Path. Talks like this leaned over this kind of breathy voice. There have been any gassings. There would have been a residue on the walls. Compression Blue I went in scraped. There wasn't a residue. And he's telling me this and. I wish I could convey to you this. Growing since of horror. Sitting, there, talking to this guy was just. I just found it so offensive, and that was the last time we had lunch. When Ricky went public with the Chinese restaurant story, a couple of years later dude claim. It was completely untrue. His denial is hard to believe though given what he told, the graduate student Evelyn reg just a few years earlier. Testimony? But it really is just. spectate survived themselves tremendous Arginine, but in fact the extermination didn't take place. Duke was always bragging to ricky that he had an IQ of one hundred seventy one. But for a guy who thought of himself is highly intelligent. He did a lot of really dumb things. He went places he shouldn't go in said things he shouldn't say to people you shouldn't say them to. Beth rickey at a theory about that. There's a self destructive streak and hand that I see. He has the sense of religious mission about his. His calling. He almost has A. You know. A Jesus Complex called or something like he's untouchable. As of the fall of Nineteen eighty-nine Duke had good reason to think he was untouchable at that point the Louisiana Republican Party done nothing to hold him back. For David Duke, the Louisiana State House wasn't a place to pass legislation. It was a performance space. As a freshman state representative do proposed a bill to require drug tests for welfare recipients. He also wanted to impose harsher punishments on people who sold drugs in public housing. These bills weren't designed to become laws and they didn't. They were written to get attention and to send a message about who duke wanted to see punished. Some of Duke's Republican colleagues helped show him the legislative ropes. Others found dukes beliefs Horri-. I don't want to be associated with the racist. Sob One Republican. Legislator told the New Orleans Times Picayune. But. That official wouldn't be quoted by name. Here's Larry Powell. He wrote a book about David Duke an Levy. There was hardly anyone who is willing to step up and. And speak out against him. They sense that his support which is growing statewide. With stronger for him than it was for. For them. I mean I had to do was go up there and I went up there several times and. And Watch, too can be at the back of the back rear seat. The state legislature. In. His desk would be piled with envelopes. and. He'd be there slicing him over why people are debating? And checks and Money was befalling out of it. As a member of the republican state Central Committee Beth. Rickey was still pushing her party to do something anything to condemn Duke. I was trying to compromise with the party leaders and Why don't you just say you don't like him? I, mean you know something so how `bout? You wouldn't have him home for dinner I mean you know? Ricky had one major ally on the state. Central Committee and Evangelical Christian. Name, Neo Curran. Father as a matter of principle we needed to. To stand against Duke. He really wasn't a Republican and hard. He was a Nazi. Ricky, and curren worked together to draft a motion to censure Duke just like the National Republican. Party had done months earlier. The resolution wooden do much. Practically it wouldn't take duke out of the State Party, but Ricky and current, Saad is a clear statement of principles, a line in the sand for Louisiana Republicans. Billy none Gasser didn't want his party to have to cross that line. When the chairman found out when ricky was up to, he flew into a rage. Here's Ricky described it to play to Robinson. I had no right. No right to do this I was. Grandstanding trying to seek publicity for myself. I was also writing a book and getting publicity for the book. which isn't was not true. I mean on. And I said look you know. I've received two death threats this week from people I had a particular specific threat, if I got up and said anything about Duke I was GonNa get shot, and when I said that to the state. Chairman I said you know I, think that if that doesn't safer you how serious this is! And how serious I feel about this, I'm going ahead in spite of that. And he's response. Well, you know he didn't want me to get shot. None gasser did allow bath. Ricky Neil current to present. Their censure resolution. said the duke was still associating with Neo Nazis and Klansmen, and that the Reagan administration had identified Dukes National Association for the Advancement of White people as a racist group. Koran was the one who stood up and read the motion. and. There must have been thirty television cameras there from all over the world. There were several from Germany I. Know and David Duke was standing in the back of the room. Just. His eyes burning. He was he was mad. The resolution came to nothing. Another member of the Central Committee an ally of billy non Gasser moved to have it tabled. None guests there had made a backroom deal one that ensured that the Louisiana Republican Party wouldn't have to take a public stand on David Duke. None Gasser who died in two thousand six argued that the committee had no choice. He said that current and Ricky hadn't followed the rules. We have a procedure that anything. That comes state. You have to give five days. Notice to have it go. Any resolution is no procedure for century. What would people realize? Is there were an are in this party? People who hate David Duke and in the past of Haiti, but legitimately think that when you start censoring somebody then you have to do it correctly. Beth rickey thought none Gasser was being totally craven the no matter what the official rules were. He clearly didn't have the spine to protect the. Republican Party from David Duke. When her resolution Guy Killed Ricky sent the chairman and note. Dear Billy, she said. You double crossed me. I will never ever that you forget this. Later Robinson interviewed ricky a year later. As I look back now. I see that they see. They are some sympathies for Duke? Also I believe party leaders. This has come out now. The party leaders have finally admitted to me. That the reason. They didn't come out against. Duke is because they don't want to alienate the duke voters because they may need them. Ricky herself began to speak out against Duke a lot more loudly. She became one of the leading voices in the Louisiana Coalition Against Racism and Nazism. The state's most prominent Anti Duke Organization. While Ricky criticized the Republican Party increasingly harsh terms. I don't believe she ever publicly renounced it. But Ricky said in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, one that our fight against Duke and against the party she grown up with took a significant toll. It's fractured many relationships I'm I'm having to find a whole new circle of friends, and it's been very difficult because I I don't WANNA lose people I've worked with for twenty years. And was. A lone voice you know in the woods. Here's Lance Hill again. And she was Vilnai's. An, she was not a emotionally. You know the most. Secure Person. Though he was capable of some very courageous things. She was vulnerable person and I believe she. She really paid a price. Ricky began to decline physically after she contracted an illness on a mission trip in the Mid Nineteen Ninety S. From, then on her life was marked by instability, she moved from place to place, struggled with money and was often in poor health. In two thousand nine ricky was fifty three years old and living in a motel in Santa Fe New Mexico. She told a newspaper there that she had been through a lot with the duke situation and that she needed to get away from the insanity. Her friend Quinn Hillier asked a woman in New Mexico to look in on Ricky. Not on the hotel room door. Nobody answered. She called nobody answered. And so she called the authorities in. They opened the door and she was famous for loving. Homemade instant iced tea and she had a pitcher of ice tea in her hand or spilled ice, tea. In her hand. She fell to the floor and she was dead. Rickey died of pneumonia and heart disease. In his obituary for Ricky, Hill your wrote that she was one of the bravest women ever meet. When it made a huge difference to a state gone haywire, he said. Beth more than answered the call. In nineteen ninety one. Journalist Gary Vino. Asked Beth rickey a simple question that she had a very hard time answering. Do Hate David do. I. I hate what he stands for I. I really hate. The fact that he has a High Q. and he knows better, he should know better. During the years she's been battling Duke Beth. Rickey was continually alarmed that other people were not alarmed by him. She knew how charming he could be and how ambitious. Duke saw the Louisiana Legislature Steppingstone in December nineteen eighty-nine after less than a year in the State House. He was ready for his next move. India. Re going senior. Point. Even at this point with Ducas Senate candidate, a lot of Republicans in Louisiana didn't think he was a problem. When Ricky spoke with Plato Robinson and Nineteen Ninety that campaign had yet to play out. What if he goes to Washington as a Republican senator? You know it puzzles me why? These people can't look ahead and see the damage I've heard Republican. Legislator. Tell me you know come on that. Was He got? What damage could he possibly do? In the US. Senate and I just looked at him like. Are you nuts? We've reached the halfway point of this season of slow-burn. Next week we have something a little different plan a brief interlude. It's a story from nineteen eighty nine when David. Duke just been elected the Louisiana State House. A black twelve year old girl in new, Orleans was writing about Duke for a Social Studies Project. So she picked up the phone and gave the white supremacist to call. And recorded the whole thing. Blossom be letting you in on a few choice excerpts from our sleep plus bonus episodes including some of my interview with Toepfer Grace who played David Duke in Spike Lee's Oscar winning film. Black Klansman. The following week we'll be back with episode four of our season that slow-burn season four episode for two weeks. Slow burn a production of slate plus slates membership. Program Slate plus members get weekly bonus episodes of slow-burn where we'll dive deeper into the history were exploring the season. On this week's bonus episode, we'll hear more from an Levi. The Holocaust survivor who confronted. David Duke in nineteen. Eighty nine. Head over to. SLATE DOT com slash slow-burn to sign up and listen now. We couldn't make slow-burn without support of slate, plus so please consider signing up if you like the series and you're able to contribute. It's only thirty five dollars for the first year and you get a free two week trial. Good asleep dot com slash slow-burn to find out more. slow-burn produced by me and Christopher. Johnson with editorial direction. Buy Low and LOO and Gabriel Roth. Madeline Ducharme our production assistant sophie. Summer Grad is slow Burns assistant producer. Are! Mix Engineers Paul Mounsey David Gross composed our theme song. The artwork for slow-burn by Lisa. Larsson Walker. The title of this episode, the Nazi and the Republicans comes from an essay by Beth Rickey published in the Anthology, the emergence of David Duke the politics of race. Larry Powell's book about Duke and Anna Levy is titled Troubled Memory. Special thanks to Jordan Hirsch Jessica Seidman and slates chat to Katie Raeford Laura. Bennett House, and Benedict jared homes. Thanks for listening. I've been a lot of time recently. Thinking about a man I don't know much about. I. Don't know what he looked like. I deny old he was. I don't know where he was born where he died. What I do know is his name. Richard. He was enslaved. And he was on last island in eighteen fifty six. Last island. Yield then yeah. Back then they spoke French in southern Louisiana and that island was about as far south as it got. Last island was a resort. Place where everybody who was anybody went for the cool, salt breeze. The wealthy of America's save accuracy. We go there in the summer to have balls parade down the promenade relax. Behind their leisure was a hand of slave power that ran everything. A little bit more about the man who owned Richard. Thomas Mill was a Frenchman. He ran a sugar plantation out in the by you. Mill family to their mansion last island that summer. On August ninth Saturday night, they danced in the grand ballroom the local hotel. But on Sunday. They look down into the waves and felt the bracing wins approach. The storm was coming. That night the winds grew stronger. The science of last island panicked impact themselves into a hotel. But richer was worried. He tried to convince a master in his family to leave their mansion and take shelter in a stable. But they refused. The storms I approached. Waves got higher and higher. The surge of water to storm pushed ahead of race to the island. It hit like a tidal wave. Through it all Richard Braved the storm in the stable. His only companion that night was an old horse. The next morning. The only building skills Danny on last island was at stable. Rigid and the horse it made it. Many other folks aren't so lucky. About. Half of the people known to be there died. Richard found his masters eighteen year old daughter bleeding from a head, wound and delivered her safety. She was the only member of our family on last islanders survive. As far as we know. Rigid was the only person in slave who survived. Everything we know about Richard Comes from a newspaper interview, but the daughter he saved. The story of last island became a sensation across America. Sensational in part, because, of who died. In the eighteen fifty s southern Louisiana had the highest concentration of millionaires in the country. Last island hurricane and killed a lot of them. The idea of doomed grand balls and final pageants at the plantation aristocracy. And was also tragic and romantic. But I don't really care about that part. I just can't stop thinking about Richard. The last island hurricane was a category four storm when it hit. It's been called the first great storm in recorded history of Louisiana. It seems like every generation has one. Eight eighteen ninety three. Thousand Nine Hundred Fifteen. Nineteen, forty seven. Each with their stories in their myths. With Richards. The last big storm in New Orleans Hurricane Betsy. Nineteen sixty five. Then for forty years. It was quite. Turning into a monster of a store in the very. It seems to be taken responsibility Georgia. About Black. Back. From the Atlantic. I'm Van Newkirk, and this is flood lines. Listen to all eight episodes on March twelfth. 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Holocaust Education and State-Sponsored White Supremacy

Never Again: a Podcast for Holocaust and Genocide Justice

1:01:21 hr | 3 months ago

Holocaust Education and State-Sponsored White Supremacy

"Hello everyone, and thank you for listening to never again Talk podcast for Holocaust and genocide Justice produced by I can't israeli-american Civic Action Network. I'm your host Dylan Hozier and with me as always is Grant caution. Hello Great Wok. Hello Dylan. How are you? I'm doing well. How are you? I'm good. Thank you. Great great. So so last well we missed last week, but the week before we we discussed some some kind of basic 101 ugh Holocaust misinformation disinformation perpetuated by choice and frankly Holocaust Distortion perpetuated by the Lithuanian government today. I wanted to talk about Holocaust Education and job Um, the new claims conference survey that just came out I guess about a month ago, but I thought it would be interesting to discuss that and then I guess you'll you'll surprise me with a story. This is how are podcasts. We'll go. We'll we'll come up, you know most we have scheduled guests will share stories with our listeners that that we think are important and we will discuss them in the broader context sounds good to me. Perfect Perfect. All right. So so like I said, I'd like to talk to you and can I get your sense of the the claims conference survey on Millennials and gen Z. Are you familiar with the survey? I am I am and it was very upsetting to read that. We're off the failing to educate the youth on a critically important subject. So it's interesting. The headline says new survey by claims conference finds significant lack of Holocaust knowledge dead. And States, so it says there there's this one fact, I didn't know it says there were over forty thousand over 40,000 camps and ghettos during the Holocaust 49% of Millennials. Cannot name a single one. That's awful because it was so many Americans were Rescuers and went in to liberate those labor camps and death camps Americans were were heroes in the war and we are ostensibly be the Guardians of the world against the next genocide and if Americans don't know about previous ones, especially be the biggest one what hope do we have of a preventing or be stopping the next genocide that happens wage well, and and that brings us to one of the other findings of the survey. It says seven out of ten Americans obviously at 70% Say fewer people seem to care about the Holocaust than they used to. In the majority of Americans This is 58% believe that something like the Holocaust could happen again. To your point. Absolutely the Holocaust could happen again. It's it's the the veneer of civilization in humanity is so thin and all we need do is let the genie out the box and and it will happen again. So it's never far off and it's a constant effort to prevent the next one. So if the youth don't know about the last one and don't know about the signs of to look for and the Soul precious to guard against the odds are we're going to face another catastrophe at some point. Read I just want to go through a few more of these these kind of critical data points that they that they share here. And then I want to look at some some state-level data off. I think this is the first state-level survey that that has been conducted on this on this particular issue is my says this survey also found significant gaps in knowledge about the Holocaust in that nearly one-third of all Americans and it and more than four and ten Millennials believe that substantially less substantially less than six million Jews were killed during the Holocaust should say were murdered during the Holocaust and while there were overnighted minutes before while there were over forty thousand concentration camps and ghettos in Europe during the Holocaust almost half of Americans cannot name a single one in this percentage is even higher among Millennials, but at the same time there were encouraging notes in the survey. In particular there are key findings underscoring the desire for Holocaust Education. So this is kind of a a bright spot more than nine out of ten respondents 93% believe all students should learn about the Holocaust school and eight out of ten respondents eighty percent say it is important to keep teaching about the Holocaust so that it does not happen again one one thing. I wanted to ask you just because we like to focus for good reason on Lithuania. The survey says there were over forty thousand concentration camps and ghettos. How many death pets were there? Do we know that number of death fits? Am I in Des away Nia? There's there's and and Lithuania is a very small country. And I mean before you mind is it important to distinguish between a concentration camp in a ghetto and depth it's it seems to me that it is important to distinguish what I mean, they they will distinctly different and yet they're all have similarities so they were lodged. Camps where people were staffed and and and beaten but they weren't gas Chambers. So the death rate was massive and the torturers massive, but it wasn't wage an immediate killing center, right? There was a death camps, which were the industrialized killing centers wage and then in Eastern Europe before the killing centers were invented. It was a Holocaust by bullets where it was one murderer murdering one victim one at a time at a time millions of times over and the Germans actually discovered that it was causing psychological damage to the murderers, so they didn't care if it wasn't about the victims. It was about protecting. The mental capacity and the mental well-being of of the murderers now you you can you can look at this in comparison. You can say, okay. Well, you know, let's let let let let let's take something truly innocuous. What what what is a minor crime that you can think of Dillon? Let's let's let's let's run and exercise pick up everything. Okay, so off the shoplifter goes and shoplifts once and they go home and they have remorse and they are introspective and they feel bad about it and they worry about getting caught but then they go out the next day. And they shop lift the game. And they get away with it again, and then they think okay well. There's no consequences for this and then the crime becomes normalized. So what happened with Lithuanian murderers and Nazi murders is they went up murdering and at the beginning they felt bad. It was to see to see a baby's brain explode in front of you like a watermelon to get splattered with blood a they didn't feel good about wage. But after a while it became a very normal activity for them and there was no remorse and so things like murder and discrimination become normalized within a society and You can see you you can see societies gradually normalising. Really sick behaviors. This is this is this is the basis of Stanley milgram's research on obedience and nationalization of following. Um, somebody in a position of authority and then eventually performing horrific acts against innocent individuals. Is that right? Yes, that's correct. And and and Even genocide is not uncommon in human history. It's actually a regular regularly occurring theme what made the Holocaust took French was the industrialized nature of it and the level of participation and the extent of the murder of Well, well, let's let's go through I want to look at this data a little bit more and I want to talk about Holocaust Education. So this is a claims conference survey says most Americans 80% eighty percent of Americans have not visited a holocaust museum and this to me means that our classrooms are often are places that need to become makeshift museums in a way or at least Learning Centers for this kind of education. I'm heartened by the fact that ninety 3% of respondents believe that all students should learn about the Holocaust in school disappointed that only 20% have visited a museum. Do you have any thoughts on on classrooms become a centers of learning about the holograph million forms of them, you know kids kids growing up conscious learn about math and science and and and geography they go home. Need to function for 1890 years in society and they're going to need your educate the Next Generation how to behave within a society so long. If you are not teaching about aberrant Behavior, then kids are not going to know that those are unacceptable or or they they're not going to know how to avoid it. I mean, let's let's switch to Lithuania again as usual for for a few moments. There is a Charming town in in in the area called McCoy and it's very small and there was a wooden synagogue and the village restored the synagogue and it's now the main tourist attraction for them for that Village. There's no other reason to to to visit our koi people go there to see this restored synagogue and bought this last week would have been the hundred and tenth birthday of the Lithuanian mass murderer Jonas America. So he came down where Jewish tourism is is one of the primary supports the local school had dead. A celebration of of noriko's birthday, you know, imagine a school in Germany having a Hitler birthday party off that is what this town in Lithuania did so the children are carrying tiki torches and marching up and down much like Hitler Youth would do unbelievable in this this is happening today. It happened last week happened last week unbelievable. It's unbelievable. And you know, I'm sure of all the teachers are really sincere decent people who have been miseducated themselves. I'm going on so they were taught false information that noreika was a good person when when in fact, he was a germicidal murderer home and they are trying to convey these values to the Next Generation. You know that that's a a stark I think contrast wage. Between what we expect in our American classrooms when it comes to you know, when I when I asked the question should should or should our classrooms in America being a shift Holocaust museums. It's eighty percent of Americans can't go to a museum where they going to be exposed to information about the Holocaust. Well, it's going to be the classroom off and then for older or adult Americans, you know, I I don't know what we do, but we need to find some way to reach adult Americans as well. But you know when I think about the the public school classroom being a place where our youth can learn about vital history and important facts related to the Holocaust and genocide and learning about these Just you know, these these dark moments in history and the decisions made by people in leadership. And like I always say the state wage being mobilized to eradicate a segment of society targeted segment of society just the the disgusting Twisted mind off belief and hate behind that that act and then to think that in 2020 today. Okay. We're just a week ago that a school in life. Has kids that are parading around and celebration of somebody who murdered Jews during the Holocaust is just how do how do we let this happen often? Because what is going on is that we've mandated education or or or they've said okay we need to educate would you say that you mean in Lithuania? Yes, but then the wrong people have taken control of the curriculum and teaching false information. So I have a feeling that's going to that's going to be your your story. Let's let's wrap up. Let's wrap up this claims conference survey real quick and then we'll jump into your garage door, except I have a space that is because it is extremely relevant to Americans. Yeah, absolutely and and and and what we teaching our kids, right, right, so so I just want to wrap up wage. One more quick fact about this this claims conference, by the way. Should we should we tell people what the claims conference is? Can can you can you describe you go ahead so long as far as I understand that the claims conference is an organization that is based in New York. Is that correct? I know what I'm not so with that based so I think they're missing New York will have to get somebody from the claims conference on the show. But here I'll just I'll just read what their mission is across six decades our mission. This is the claims conference. This Mission has been to provide a measure of justice for Jewish Holocaust victims and to provide them with the best possible care going forward. We must ensure that future Generations. Learn the lessons of the Holocaust to preserve the memory of those who suffered so much and those who were lost we know the horrors of the Holocaust can never be repaired and must never be forgotten and we believe that survivors of the Holocaust deserve recognition for their suffering and to live out their lives with dignity birth. Understand it. They are this organization is one of the primary of not the primary organization that is focused on restitution for survivors. And their families is not yes. I agree with describing. Okay. So for those those listeners who you know, we're referring to the claims conference. This is an organization that works to to find restitution for the victims and their and their own right and and during this time of pandemic. They've actually managed to obtain a good amount of money to help support survivors that are impacted are covered. Great great. So one of the thing that was interesting here is they did a state-by-state survey and I kind of wanted to look at this. I wanted to look at this because It tells a a bit of a checkered story about Holocaust Education in this country. That's kind of I wanted to it brings me to a question that maybe you can give her some perspective too. So there's several questions that were asked of gen Z and Millennials. So let's let's find a basic question here. One of them is can't name the percentage of respondents who can't name a concentration camp or ghetto. So I recently you know Holocaust Education at the state level has been an important mission of icann and we've been tracking the states that have passed mandatory Holocaust or general education across the country and what struck me first was those states that have mandatory Holocaust Education in particular, you know, we're looking at California. For example, California is one of the states that has had mandatory Holocaust and genocide education since 1985 is when California passed its law fantastic home, but 37% can't name a concentration camp or ghetto. Maybe that's not high and maybe that says something more about the educational system that does about the fact that the state has manditory Holocaust and genocide education. Maybe um, I mean, I feel like everybody should know Auschwitz, I mean Auschwitz is the most, you know, high-profile and I would argue highly recognized concentration camp out so that number, you know, kind of struck me then you look at a state like Illinois, which was the first state to pass mandatory Holocaust Education and that I believe was in nineteen eighty-one 54% 54 percent of respondents Millennials and gen Z could not fathom a concentration camp or ghetto Texas just passed their mandatory Holocaust Education bill. Just last year and Thursday. 5% couldn't name a concentration camp or ghetto and then you have New York, which is among the highest in in this on this particular question fifty 80% of respondents fifty percent in New York has had let me see if I have the data for New York. I don't have the year. It was pretty early on a bit past Ministry Holocaust Education package. Then the question becomes what are they teaching well, and that's my question is is is it because you know, what? What are the lessons of Holocaust Education right? I mean is the lesson of Holocaust Education? And I I don't use the word trivia, but because it's not trivial but is is the name of a concentration camp or ghetto important or is it important to know that there were concentration camps are ghettos and in and by the way, we didn't finish the the notion of death. That's I saw a map of Lithuania recently. The whole country is covered with death pits Grand off. Right? And so that to me is just as bad as a concentration camp or ghetto. So is it is that when we're looking at this date, in fact, in fact, if the two worse right? Cuz why they were worse is that Jews were centralized victims were centralized in the concentration camps, but those murders took place with very few people watching and with almost nobody that could intervene in those Mass deaths that were in The Villages. People would line the route and watch the Jews being marched off to be murdered and it was like a spectator sport home so they could have intervened and stopped it the the where there are so many death-beds means that there was a much higher rate of participation right of the population and the murders were that much more personal choice. I mean, you know, we talked about you you just mentioned earlier in the conversation about the role of Americans and liberating Jewish from concentration camps. You can't liberate somebody from a Death Pit know you can't believe somebody from Death fit and I mean to see to see the map was just it literally the country is covered in deathbeds. Well, you know, let's say let's go into let's let's let's Veer off into what you just said. You can't rescue some home remedies, but in fact, you know, the let's take a country that that that executes somebody give somebody the death penalty and if somebody was hung and the Rope broke then they didn't hang them a second time. Correct? I didn't know that. No, I have no doubt. It's not I don't know. So if I get another rope, I mean, what does it wrong on his name was I think in the wild west when we were dead. People in in the United States if if the Rope broke, then the person was set free surely not in the Islamic Republic of Iran. They don't do that. Right? I mean they get ropes that what you know what I know. I know. Okay. So there is you know, when they when when when the lithuanians will take the juice to the death, but thought they would just mess shoot them, you know, the amount of people just fell into the death, but that either weren't shot off was shocked and not yet killed. They wouldn't waste bullets on on children. They were just very the children alive. No foil. All these there's there's an investigation going on right now. The Simon wiesenthal Center is is trying to birth. Capture and put on trial a Lithuanian woman that would just take rocks and bass Jewish babies brains and kill them. So many thoughts went into neighboring countries to murder Jews in the in in the neighboring countries. It wasn't enough just to murder Lithuanian Jews. They they were so enthused about murdering Jews that they could go elsewhere to murder them as well. By the way, that was something that we were talking here in this segment about Holocaust Education. That was something I didn't know. And we may have touched on our last episode. I think it's it's Bears repeating lithuanians would go into other countries to murder Jews. I think they went. Mm Belarus. Is that right? Correct, Belarus and where else did they go? Ukraine Ukraine, that's right. Now Poland Latvia in in this in this happened with either before or just before or when the Nazis invaded Lithuania. Is that right? Well, when they would go into neighboring countries was uh home when the Nazis were in charge. Okay, these people would either volunteer or be co-opted but they would they would enthusiastically talked to foreign countries, right? I know of at least two cases where Nazis. Complained to the German government saying the lithuanians are so brutal and so enthusiastic off. About the viciousness in murdering that and and in the one case the Nazi said that he witnessed June who's digging themselves out of death pets and then the lithuanians would go and kill them. When when when they saw that they haven't killed them yet. And the Nazis said, you know after after putting something through an execution if the rope breaks or or the Bullet misses them, you know under under any traditional murder suck to speak that victim would would go free but the lithuanians didn't want to miss out on a single Jew and they didn't want to allow for a do to survive will also I mean the the scenario that you mentioned about the wild west and and hanging ostensibly off. That was because somebody committed a crime right? I mean, correct and this was and that was about Justice. This is not about Justice. This is about genocide. Well, you know the what was done to the Native Americans was also genocide great great and and and that happened throughout North and South and Central America. And you know, they they they they use chemical warfare as well because the smallpox biological warfare right biological warfare because they would put smallpox on blankets and then hand the blankets the Native Americans and you know it is that so different than then then putting a thousand people into a gas chamber and and and setting off the gas pumps. You know, if if we don't say to these kids in pakka Roy you are caring tiki torches and marching and singing songs for the murderers of the families of the people that are now supporting you through their jurisdiction hours. You know what lessons are those people teaching the children? And now as I said to you, you know, the teachers may not know the facts. They teachers may be very well-intentioned decent people that have been misinformed themselves. So Foreigner Acres Thursday, hold on. Hold on. Hold on before you get that don't jump there cuz I want to close out this one this one second here real quick. Okay, so so because I want to talk about facts and a little duck tail very nicely off into the norikoh story. And I want to get back to the original question about about is it important that 58% of New York Millennials and gen Z cannot name a concentration camp or ghetto and I ask this because that's what this survey says, right? So if I'm looking at the survey and it's a 58% of New Yorkers or New York gen Z and Millennials can't name a concentration camp, I guess not even not sure. That's a little disturbing. I'm not sure what we should draw from that. I want to go to another survey because I because I want to highlight that there is something I'd like to draw from bank once once once that's what I want to say is that Holocaust Education is important and there are some people who may listen to this and and I have and I had dealt with them in in some of these are legislators who I've dealt with who say Holocaust Education does not translate into tolerance. And so when I see that New York has mandatory Holocaust Education But nearly sixty percent can't name a concentration camp or ghetto that disturbs me. Now. I will say this and I started interrupt you but I will say this USC survey. I found a she released a survey just last month and it comes out with three findings. And here's the quick three students with Holocaust Education have more pluralistic attitudes and are more open to differing viewpoints which includes being more comfortable with people of A different race or sexual orientation more. Generally, they are also significantly more likely to report willingness to challenge incorrect or biased information as 20% more likely in there are more likely to change has been tolerant behavior in others and stand up to negative stereotypes that's important number to when presented with a bullying scenario students who with Holocaust Education reported being more likely to offer help and we're 50% less likely to do nothing and that's an incredible finding and finally students exposed to Holocaust Education demonstrate higher thinking skills in a greater sense of social responsibility and Civic efficacy if Survivor testimony was part of their experience. So I guess if we contrast those findings from the US you show off Vision with those from the claims conference. Is it important to know the name of a concentration camp or ghetto should these findings concern us? Cuz it say something about education or do we take what the Shoah Foundation gives us and say even though they may not be able to name a specific concentration camp. There are still major benefits to to studying this. How do you read that? How do you how do you process that long? So there's clearly major benefits to teaching about the Holocaust i instead of giving you a direct answer. Let me go in a more secure just route and answer differently. This is New York. So let's take the city of New York, which has a Jewish population of approximately 15% Okay, and yet 60% of people in New York can't name a concentration camp. So where is Jews are off somewhere around 2% of the US population and many Americans have never measured you in New York Jews or 15% So, everybody's measured you so let's take that 15% number and compare it to the city of illness with 45% off of the population was Jewish. Proportionately three times as many Jews lived in Vilnius as loved as live in New York and yet. Let's do any ins in Vilnius. Enthusiastically murdered the Jewish population of the city. Now these people were not unfamiliar because all she thought the city was Jewish and half the city. So so the non-jewish half of the city murdered the Jewish half of the city wage. All right, or or plug that they Goods or witnessed the murder without without objection. So, you know familiarity with a victory doesn't prevent victimization. education You've just given us the results of that education. Now if we want a peaceful Society that's going to be Progressive. Peaceful with human rights compassion less fossil abuse less child abuse less abuse in general have less abuse in general. We need education and if the education is so deficient that sixty percent can't name. A concentration camp and still has such positive results. Then we need to say perhaps the education is inadequate perhaps it needs to be more intense or updated email updates. And by the way, I'm not sure up. I'll say that in California. I don't believe we've updated the Holocaust and genocide curriculum since the eighties and I think that could contribute and in the findings that you have uncovered just in the time that you have done research. These are important findings that probably should find their way to classrooms, correct? Yeah, correct because it's not about it's not about what happened seventy-five years ago. Yeah. It's about what's happening in the world today, right? And what's going to happen in the world tomorrow and the year after that. These are lessons people need to learn to ensure that never again actually does mean something dead. Exactly. Now I've been holding up your story. I apologize. Let's do your story. Now. What have you got for us this week Dillon got back to the North Korea issue with us. Okay, you have kids porches in poker Roy in Pokhara. Yes, growing a genocide and murder. Yes, but it wasn't only that song on America's birthday. And when was his birthday, when was his birthday? I think it was October 8th. It was last week, It's just within the last few days. So it's absolutely fascinating because here is a a case study in Holocaust now for you. Last year a geologist that is a public relations consultant for the Lithuanian government wrote an entire life fraudulent report. That Nora was saving Jews. Do you say did you see a geologist? Yes as a geologist. Yes. What is a geologist doing doing writing a report about Well, if if you failed a geology and now he's a public relations person and he's pretending to be a long story and and the country puts them at the head of their historical research. I mean, it's to be kidding me who does this guy work you have a geologist and where does this guy work you work something with you in genocide Center in Lithuanian genocide Center is run and managed and governed by what by who by the Lithuanian government and its job and reports on on the history of of Lithuania. So just to just to repeat for a listener's the official government of Lithuania genocide Center. As a geologist in charge of historical research go on or he's he's not necessarily in charge. He's one of the people in charge. Okay, the person in charge said it affects and really matter to her. It was whether the person that was reporting them really believed them. Facts don't matter it's whether they're person reporting them really believe for them. Okay what I did with it wasn't an exact wording, but it was something along those lines got it. And this this is a geologist is is is a known to sort of history and he writes an entirely false report saying that that Noriega was rescuing Jews. Well, it was a complete absurdity and three of the top academics in Lithuania lambaste it with the government and said it's offensive. It's dishonest. It's absurd and the geology came out with a statement that said, oh people shouldn't take it too. Seriously. It was just his opinion. However, it was submitted as a finding of fact for the Lithuanian government and entered into the formal record as a finding effect now. Yeah, so so I sued the government twice just over that false finding effect and there was no possibility of having anybody review the facts in the case. So just just real quick for for listeners who may not be entirely familiar with the story. Can you just give a quick you know thirty seconds? Who is Jonas norika? Yes, you understand. Rekha was a mass genocide on off of juice. He was the one that wrote the mine come from Lithuania. He Signed the orders to get reduced to plunder their property to to wear the yellow star. He was a truly evil man, and he's been elevated to one of Lithuania is greatest national heroes, and he's honored and you know, they they have marches and sing anthems to him on his birthday much took like some Nazis do on Hitler's birthday. And how do you find how did you find out about this guy? Because he was the one that murdered my relatives think it's important for people to know God, right? So so in Iraq is responsible for the murder of approximately 100 of my own relatives. So we've identified him and exposed him and the government has engaged in in in wholesale Holocaust revisionism and fraud and there is no accountability. The a no path to truth within Lithuania. So in Dublin down on on their fraud this geologist rights as false report and when did this report come out? Oh just some time last year. Okay, the birthday was last week. The birthday was last week in the report was probably about a year old girl. Okay. So now did they did they re-release the report or was this was so after the scandal in in in Lithuania where personal historians lambasted this and and this geologist said, well, it was only his opinion it all inquired about but last week for no records birthday. The government issued a public statement that Noriko was saving Jews. Say that again say that again the genocide Center released a public statement saying that he was a savior of Jews, correct? Window just went their statements say exactly it was clausius. And yes, it's in Lithuanian. It's in Lithuanian. They said in his speech. Army was saved used spare time. He was having Jersey quite the words, but I mean essentially that's where it was in reality. He's a murderer in reality took approximately 14 and 1/2 thousand Jews unbelievable. But the less you were in government has fully engaged in Holocaust fraud so long as you talk about education, you know, so now the government of Lithuania Is taking deliberately falsified information and going out to children. In a city like per koi and saying to these kids. Oh you should march with tiki torches. And you should sing Anthems for this mass murderer and these young minds have absolutely no idea how they are being programmed. Well, it's exact same way as Hitler Youth was programmed. You know, when when I hear you when I hear you describe this and I and I'm envisioning in my mind what this might look like in in person and I think about the implications of this. I can't help but come to two conclusions. Maybe three one is why did we fight World War II then if if this if this is a this is what we're allowing to happen in 2020. What was the point of the massive sacrifice of World War Two not to mention the Six Million Jews who were murdered but the massive sacrifice of others who helped to liberate Europe from from Nazi Germany if this is what we're allowing to happen in a European country today number one, that's that's my first thought number to Thursday. No that in this country in the United States and in I guess and and in places around the world, especially in Europe white supremacy is one of the key drivers of domestic terrorism. Yes, and number three Lithuania. The government of Lithuania is engaging in state-sponsored dead. You know the state-sponsored creation of white supremacy in white chest ilysm. Yes and in Hawaii and and and that the United States allows this to happen with somebody who with their with a nation that is ostensibly our Ally. How does this happen today in in the year 2020. How does this happen often account onto the question for you? It's it's something I wonder about regularly where our public officials on this and why it allowed to happen. You know, Lithuania is is a member of the European Union the European Union 650 knows what they doing lithuanians a member of NATO. Well, I imagine our government in the United States. Knows what they're doing. So our our American soldiers going to go and protect this kind of ideology put our American soldiers and our tax dollars at risk to to protect a country that that does this. These questions are not able to answer. I hopefully I'll listeners will be able to to email us and then in and explain to us why why this is allowed to happen because wage well, yeah, but we what we should say that, you know, we we have done a lot of work together to try to raise awareness about this issue at least an hour local municipalities. And by the way, we encourage our listeners to view our landing page at Israel USA. Org forward slash Holocaust. And find out more information about this is to take action, but I think that you know, we we've hit on something that is absolutely critical. I mean, we we as a nation would prefer iced a great deal come to liberate Europe and to see the seeds of Nazism. That's that's really all how I can see it to see the sort of Nazi ISM being sown again. And to do nothing about it. Let me give you another example of of of what happened this last week in Lithuania years away Nia Allied itself with the Nazis and and and and much of their leadership were Nazis. So he could ask a quick question about that gives us the leadership today in Lithuania in the government today. I don't know who the president prime minister or other legislators are do they have do they have like our roots that connect to Nazis in other words where they collaborators or straight up from Nazi Germany, but what does that look like? Do you know how long you know there's there's people there that are still hold the Nazi ideology. There's people that don't I mean this this is rather decisions birth. Our descendants. Yes, you know, I guess we have to be they had an election. They had an election in in Lithuania last week know and a local citizen that saved me photographs of that. He took inside one of the candidates homes and it was a whole bunch of Nazi paraphernalia home. And he said, do you have any suggestion what I should do with us? And you know, I don't you know, it's it's for the electorate there to to determine what values they they want to hold and if that's what if that's what they're voting for. That's That's their ideology. Not ours that Progressive. Do you know I don't think it's pervasive. I mean, you know, even even in Germany that the it took the Nazis a long time to to gain a foothold and then they started educating with false information and proper wage and until they had a mess following. So at this point there's definitely a segment of society that if they were able to murder the Jews all over again, I believe that segment of society would but the majority of lithuanians are decent people and are either looking away as bystanders or off or don't know. So but but but think of this the many of the people that they adore as as they national heroes were not home. They don't feature them as Nazis. They don't point out there not see Heritage or adherence, but would Germany in Germany hold up anybody as a hero, that was a member of a Nazi party the answer to that is no would do United States hold off as a hero somebody that was a member of the KKK the answer to that is no but does Lithuania hold up? As Heroes people that were what they called White arm band has or or Nazis. And yes, it's incredibly common. It's absolutely incredibly incredibly common. So so in this may be a little bit of a dense question, but I bought it comes to mind and and to me it to me it matters, but does it does it if they're not promoting what let me let me ask it this way. What's worse than the fact that they are promoting false Heroes that they're providing false history. Or is the fact that they're promoting people who were Nazis and the public doesn't know about it. In other words. Is it is it as bad because they're they're not it's not like they have the the armbands with the swastika but they're distorting history. And so people don't know. I mean, what's what's worse? Okay, so let's take it from that angle and spin it around. It's pretty bad. I mean if I'm if I'm in Lithuania and I'm being brainwashed by the government to worship somebody who I don't I have not been taught is a Nazi it emerged Jews. I still think that's pretty bad. Okay. Yeah, so let's let's say in Los Angeles. There was a Hitler High School sure off and you send your kid to Hitler. Hi. And you said your kid? Oh, he was a great guy. He fixed the German economy. He made the trains run on time. So we naming the schedule for him because he did great work the new kid goes to school. He graduates from Hitler. Hi, he goes out into the rest of the world and they say, where did you go to school? He says, well, I went to Hitler high and they said well, did you know that Hitler was responsible for this that the next thing and the kid says no, but obviously my parents didn't think that that was relevant enough sending the getting the trains to run on time and fixing the economy was so much more important that all of those murdered people have zero relevance. Right? Right. So even if they even if they taking it from a banana fine Angle the inference is is leading to Future human rights violations, right? Because if your kid only if you could says oh murdering millions of people really isn't relevant. So, you know, if I want to find a a disenfranchised minority and murder them all well, you know, I can still if I get the trains run on time. Does that that Minority that has no relevance and I can kill them all off but I think the argument is is made to justify the murdering of that Minority to get the train strong and and and they own that or or or fix the economy or whatever problem. The state is facing. I mean anytime you I mean to me anytime. Weaponize the State against society and just separate the two and break that social contract. It's a recipe for disaster. And so, you know again, I just want to reiterate that that today at this time when anti-Semitism is on the rise again around the world that the bulb government of Lithuania a European Union member state is sowing the seeds of white nationalism and Nazism is unconscionable absolutely dead, correct, and we need to to show our legislature our legislators what our ostensible Ally is doing, you know home and and and ask the question if this is a current Ally and this is what they are teaching their youth. How long are they going to remain an ally how reliable are dead? And and what does the future hold? Listen? I'll tell you something my my grandfather I think both my grandfathers, but the one I'm most familiar with on my father's side. My grandfather fought in World War Two. He was in the United States Navy and he was very proud of that service off and it bothers me to my core to think that his sacrifice and the his service would be in vain if we offer this kind of activity to proceed today in in Europe and as an ally that we don't speak up and and I think that you know you and I have discussed this a lot. We've discussed so many brought different broadcasts. We've never quite hit on this angle before and I think it's an important perspective that we need to continue to explore. Okay. Let me just add one thing and then Thursday. Or next week. You got it. My grandfather fought or Lithuania in the war of independence. And what year was hated to him and his family. What what year was that? Took my grandfather fought for the Lithuanian war of independence and what year 1918 nineteen eighteen, okay. And look what they did to him and his family in reward for him having fought for National Independence home. So yes, what what what would our family say and what responsibilities do we have as Citizens? And when we say never again and you see Tikki torch marches in Lithuania for a mass murderer Antwi ridiculing the phrase never again. We're making it. We're making it out to be a a bumper sticker slogan. That means nothing correct and we can't allow that to happen. And I think it's it's it's it's slipped too far into that wage, um gimmicky, um, kind of space. Um, and I think we need to restore the weight of that promise and I think that's what again with with this podcast and with our discussions and the work that we're doing for those of you who are listening that that's really what our purpose here is there are ongoing issues that the Holocaust isn't just about stories of the past. It's about ongoing matters of justice and Truth today. And so I want to ask you just as a call to action as we close out this this discussion visit us online at Israel USA wage or forward slash Holocaust or just go to our web page at Israel USA. Org. You'll see the link and sign up for updates. You'll see future events and broadcasts and actions Thursday. You can take to make sure that we restore that promise of never again and make it mean something and for those of us who sacrificed or how family members that sacrificed in anyway, whether they were victims of the Holocaust or other genocides or like my family who served in the military the United States who fought to liberate Europe and and other oppressed of those around the world we have to do something this this cannot stand and it's Our obligation to make sure our officials in our leaders understand what this means to us and then it down again must must mean never again. So right so Grant I think that'll close this out for tonight. Any any last thoughts know Dylan, we we met can only make things better by exposing them. And so let's let's expose what these people are doing. And then let's get it fixed. You got it. All right, and and we will keep that promise have never again. So thank you all for listening to never again a podcast for Holocaust and genocide Justice. 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The Legends of Lost Nazi Gold

Stuff You Should Know

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The Legends of Lost Nazi Gold

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Hey welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, Clark Nurse Charles W. Chuck Brian over there. Jerry somewhere we lost. I think she wandered off. Yeah, but this is stuff you should know regardless. Lost Nazi gold addition. The legend of curly's gold. If curly was a white nationalist. WHO's to say, wasn't I I? Don't know Jack. Palance seems like the kind who had a beat up white nationalists for fun as a hobby. You know what I mean. Yeah you know we. We can't get into the Super Ins and outs, but as you know, my brother worked on the legend of curly's gold and Jack Jack. Valance was a tough SOB. Yeah I, hear you used to do shots of nails. Yeah, he I mean he wasn't a jerk. I wouldn't say, but it just sounded like he was just sort of a a very cantankerous old fella to work with. That's so funny man, because I mean if you at the end of the day. He's an actor. I know they. Asked the earth. In weld machine, guns or something like that. Give me a break. You're an actor. Yeah, like Clint. Eastwood's really tough. Well actually. That's not true. Is He. Sure probably he's got. He's got to be at the very least. He's been acting like it's so long. He's developed. Yeah, yeah, it's probably like a callous. You know what I mean. where it's kind of forms and stays. Callous it's the callousness of toughness that I don't. I don't think clint would winds about hangnail. Let's just say that no. We do that'd be pretty disappointing I. Actually was whining about hangnail the myself the other day of course, but I'm not. I'm a podcasters. No, we have a TV show. That proves that and I'm speaking for both of us out. I. Thought I did some good work I thought. You did a better job than I didn't actually I. Think we both did a much better job than you remember all right so if you hate Nazis, and you're like spent a while since I was given a reason to hate Nazis a new one. Rejoice because we're about to give you another one. At least I didn't really realize this to this extent. Did you. You know I knew about Nazi gold and that they took things. But I didn't know that it was almost one big people killing and world robbing. Action Yeah! That's the thing that's the new thing to hate them. For not only were they murderers, they were also just common thieves, as well I, mean thieves on one of the greatest scales. Anyone's ever seen, but thieves nonetheless. Exceptional thief, because who was that Michael Cain. No. Diehard they called him a common thief and he goes Oh. Right riding. Imagine. I can't wait till always. Like advanced enough that you can just insert whoever into whatever character and they'll say the same lines and everything. That'd be great. That's the first one I'm doing is Rodney. Dangerfield is Hans Gruber. You would've been wonderful that scene where he He's fooling them into thinking he. He was one of the party goers. He goes. What's your name? Bill Clay. What it is! Don't shoot me. Come on. Nobody shoots me. I got no respect. That's pretty good, pretty good now. Boy Okay so the Nazis. Were Thieves, not just because they they looted and plundered like the countries they occupied, but that they did it because they were broke to start off with. That's what truly makes them. Thieving SOB's. Is that their whole jam? This whole war world war that they started. They didn't have the resources financially or industrially to actually carry out this war, they had to steal to fund their role in World War Two, which they started. That's right. They you point out you put this together. Good stuff. Thanks that in Nineteen twenty-three. They had hyper inflation such. That in November of that year, it cost eighty billion marks to buy a loaf of bread. Is that right? Yeah, which sounds like a lot on its own? But if you consider that earlier that year in January, a loaf of bread cost two hundred and fifty marks, yeah, so the price of bread went from two hundred fifty marks to eighty billion marks in less than a year, but isn't that just a way of saying that nobody bought bread? No, it meant. It's a way of saying that their money was totally worthless. Remember it happens you Zimbabwe. I remember what episode was maybe. How much money is there? In the world? We talked about hyper inflation. I think so that was staggering. It was agreeing the same thing happened in nineteen twenty-three in the Weimer. Republic Republican this is the the state of the German economy that the Nazis rose to power, and because you know, that's one of the reasons they were able to rise to power, and fascism was able to take over because the country and the economy is in such dire straits that this idea of like. Hey, everybody getting behind. Behind this guy because he's going to lead us out of it, that's how that's essentially one way that Hitler and the Nazis were able to rise to power, but that also means that he inherited a terrible economy, and he had to figure out what to do. Not only a terrible economy took, but they ll Germany lacks natural resources that you would need to to to start a war machine to yeah, they have no oil. No, they don't have mineral deposits that you can make really fine metals out. Of Yeah, they've got SAUERKRAUT. They have Sauerkraut they have a lot of beer to in their to their credit, but. You know if that's all you got. You need more to fight a war with. Yeah. So what happened? WAS THEY They had what was called the Reichsmark, which was the the monetary unit of the Third Reich and they were five. Neutral countries declared during World War Two like we're not going train reichsmarks. So Hitler in Germany, said well. You know it's always valuable anywhere is gold. and. Let's start taking it from anywhere and everywhere we can get yeah and gold in particular. It's what's called. A very fungible commodity like you can. You can trade just about anything for Gold Right? If you have gold, people will give you whatever you want. You can used by oil. You can use to buy guns. You can use it to fund terrorism. You can use it to you back your own currency. There's a lot of stuff you can do with gold, but in particular in World War Two if you're the Third Reich, the Nazi regime. Regime. You needed to use gold because these neutral countries couldn't accept reichmarks by agreement, but also the right reichsmarks were were worthless. Anyway, so if you wanted to buy a bunch of guns, you needed some gold, and because Germany at the time only had about twenty five tons of gold in its reserves, which sounds like a lot, but we'll see is a paltry amount of gold, compared to what they looted and pillaged and took They they needed some golden, so yeah, they started looting it. In the first place. They turned chuck was Austria. Yeah! How much skull did you say they had? They had twenty five metre from what I understand. Twenty five metric tons of gold in the reserve Germany did at the outset of with war to all right well, this will drive home. How much that is! They looted fifteen tonnes just ten tonnes less from the citizens Jewish citizens of Vienna Austria from from the capital city. Only they looted fifteen tons of gold from Jewish citizens just. Like. You said Oh yeah, and that's Those are just people so that the Central Bank of Austria they got one hundred tons of gold so right there four times what they had in reserve, and then they said Hey. You know that six tons of gold that you're trying to send away to England to keep safe from us Bring that back to we want that. Yeah, they did so just from Austria loan. They got one hundred and. twenty-one tons. Yes, to add to their existing twenty five tons. It was a huge deal that kick started the Nazi war machine into high gear. It was a big coup. Austria wasn't expecting. Dome was expecting it and so other countries in Europe. Suddenly like gold and they were like we need to. We need to take this as advanced warning. Basically, we don't want to become like Austria and they triggered chuck the largest physical transfer of wealth that the the world the planet has ever seen. Yet because I didn't know this, and it's Kinda cool that you know countries that are are friendly to one another. We'll help each other out like this. You can say hey us. You've got Fort Knox thereof her. That's a pretty safe place to keep gold where England so can we send you a bunch of that to keep for us, and just you know we'll make a receipt out, so we know how much there is I owe you and you promise not to spend any of it. And the the US and Canada early on at least did things like this. They accepted huge gold shipments. There was a operation in nineteen forty called project fish where the UK was sending or Britain was sending fifteen hundred metre metric tons of gold. to the US to store in Fort Knox yet in in two thousand nine hundred dollars, the amount that they sent on slow boats through the Atlantic which by the way were infested with you? Boats by nineteen forty. was worth a hundred and sixty six billion dollars in today's dollars, and it got there somehow yeah, not one of those ships was sunk astoundingly and then. while. They didn't know clearly so they they sent so I sent that fifteen hundred metric tonnes, Russia. They're like we're just GONNA take care of ourselves. They evacuated a bunch of stuff from their stockpiles they sent twenty eight hundred tons of gold from its banks to a location in the euro mountains for safekeeping, they also sent to other national treasures to the embalmed corpse of Nikolai Lenin. And artwork from the Ermitage Museum, those those were the three things. They praised the most to to transfer by train to the euro mountains to stash until the war was over. So all told if you want to add it up during the course of World War Two the Nazis stole at least that we know of four hundred. American dollars in gold from countries they occupied, and another one hundred and forty million dollars in gold from people largely Jewish people from their homes people that were imprisoned in concentration camps. They stole. It was a very meticulous thing that they did. They would raid their homes. They wouldn't just round people up. They would go to their safety deposit boxes. They would rip their. Dental fillings out of their teeth such that it even got the name tooth gold on gold. and not that didn't covered everything that they stole from people. Not just the gold from teeth covered people's wedding rings jewelry in there parts of eyeglasses and other things like that. It's just unbelievable. How much gold they looted from concentration camp victims. Yes, especially, when you step back and look at it like that. Germany really needed the money the third. Reich needed the money. They were just robbing robbing and murdering. That's what they were doing. You know really Kinda puts it into perspective more. I mean the Nazis were the worst dude and still are Nazis are the worst. So most of that gold that was stolen from occupied countries I didn't see how many tons it was. But what did you say? Generally? The figure I've seen is about five hundred six hundred million dollars in nineteen forty dollars. stolen and most of it was put into the Reichsbank which is Germany's central bank kind of like it's federal. Reserve and there are different branches throughout the country and you know the goal was kind of distributed here there, but as as the war kind of moved on it was moved more and more into the central Reichsbank in Berlin until nineteen. Nineteen forty-five and there was a bombing raid on Berlin Germany and they said we need to get the gold out here in into secret locations, and so the gold from the wreck spank hundreds of millions today, billions and billions worth of dollars. Worth of gold was moved to places where no one had any idea secret locations. That weren't banks in Germany. Yes. This would set off I mean. People are still looking for Nazi gold today. Not just walking around with a metal detector, but people are some people are putting a lot of money into looking for Nazi gold and one of the big reasons is a like you, said they. We know that they moved it at some point, right? And be in April, nineteen, forty-five. There were some military police patrolling around the town of markers. They questioned a couple of French women who had been displaced. And they said in French, I would imagine. that. They saw gold being stored in potassium mine near the town and the. Soccer blue I mean holy cow. And the army investigates this and they found the it's it's famous now. The Merkel's mind treasure which was a hoard of gold? There was a room. Covered in seven thousand mark bags of gold coins, gold bars, gold jewelry valued at about two hundred and thirty, eight, million, nineteen forty five dollars. So this was a signal to everyone like a while. The legend of curly's gold is real, yeah. This is only about half the money so. Let's. Let's get our metal detectors out. Yeah, I mean this idea that the Nazis hid gold in mine shafts. All sorts of different places was proven by the. Mind treasure that they did this and there were substantial amounts to be found. That was two hundred and thirty eight million dollars worth, but they stole five hundred to six hundred million dollars worth, which means that there is a substantial amount of gold unaccounted for, and that is what has fueled treasure hunters to look for what today would be billions of dollars worth of gold that was lost in scattered in spread after World War Two and I say chuck I have a proposal for you. I Bet I know what it is. Lie. What. What's your favorite kind of Pie? Oh I. Really love a key lime. Yeah, it's hard not to go with key lime. Okay, but what about just like a standard traditional fruit pie? They're really tough to beat like a good Cherry Pie. If I'm going through. It's going to be an apple. Crumble for sure okay I used to be in that same group with you. Until you had the sweetest Cherry Pie? Warrant Warrant talked me into trying and I loved it Cherry. Pie is actually as good as the song makes a town. While all right, we'll be right back. At a terrorist! US. Everything. Shit. Jerry. Know folks we all shop online at like a lot, but did you know that you can make online shopping even better? Yeah, you can do it with honey. which is the free online shopping tool that saves you money online? Honey automatically finds the best Promo Code and then applies them to your cart, which makes online shopping finally feel as easy as it's supposed to be. All you're doing is shopping at one of your favorite sites. Sites like you normally do like best buy or macy's or Ebay then at checkout, a little box drops down and all you have to do is click apply coupons you wait a few seconds for it to scan for every Promo Code on the Internet, and then watch those prices drop. 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Your water is the sweet surprise Yep I've tried it with a cool drink of water to it's good. It's better with just water. Then say like coke because cokes. Sweet taste competes with the sweetness of Cherry Pie, so they're. They're pretty much on except for the cheese. They say it'll make a grown man cry. I'm here to tell you the truth. Oh boy that song that video so dumb, but also very titillating for a very young chuck, you know. Have you seen the rush? Documentary. Out sure. Did you know that Sebastian Bach from skid row? It was right. He was well warranting Cherry Pie, but yeah, bashing skid row okay. Just a huge leap from skid row to warrant, give me a break. But, Sebastian Bach was from war, right? None of that. He was skid row. That's what I meant. Was Jamie Lane. Mistaken. Yeah, you're right, man. You got the poor man's Michael's. In a way so in sorry Johnny. I didn't mean that. I couldn't leave it. the the but Sebastian. Bach from skid row is one of the greatest and longest standing rush fans of all time. That's right. He was all over that. Yeah. I think he was. He joined their fan club in like seventh or eighth grade, he said. And I love it right now. Somewhere. Bret Michaels is walking around playing that on repeat to his family. Did you hear that Josh? He he thinks I'm better than the skid row guy. No, you mean warrant it doesn't matter. All so we're talking about Nazi gold, and we were saying before we started talking about warrant and everything that there is gold that is unaccounted for that was stolen by the Nazis that just kind of vaporized after the war goals supposed to do that. It's one of the things that people love about. Golden doesn't just vaporize into the Nair. It's very easy to keep track of if you want to. And so people started looking for gold or looking for clues and one of the big clues that people started following was local rumors and legends like in markers there were plenty of rumors and legends that there was gold hidden in a mine nearby Dr Hills exactly and they. This are the people people. Hearing local legends has really kind of fuelled hunt for hunt for Nazi treasures for almost a century now. Yeah so. We're going to go through a bunch of these. There's one called Lake toplitz yeah. It's a very lovely place. I'm sure you looked up pictures. but people and treasure hunters have been looking for this Golden Lake Toplitz. Ever since and this is very much fact, a bunch of Nazis retreated there in the Austrian Alps in the final months of the war. US troops were closing in fast and. Germany was about to collapse, and so they transported a bunch of boxes to this lake. Military military vehicles, and then horsedrawn wagons even and they dumped them in the lake. So I think that part is definitely true, right? There's yes from what I could tell. It was reported on like that is fact. Roy was in the boxes. Yes, what's up for for debate? Exactly some people say. That's the Nazi gold out five and a half billion dollars worth other people said. No I think some of this stuff are documents Um, where they They were basically confiscated from Jewish victims about where their assets were hidden. WHAT SWISS BANK ACCOUNTS! They could loot. Maybe Yup. I saw and I saw also artwork. Or they think that was sealed artwork also. There's a rumor that there's three hundred pounds of morphine. In. In those boxes that was contributed by I think Albania's president. Because, he didn't want it to fall into the hands of the Allies Well one thing they know is down there. Because they actually found some of these a lot of night. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, three was Hitler had the idea at one point. Hey let's sabotage various countries by creating counterfeit money of those countries. Yeah, it's a pretty smart plan for dirty Nazi I. Know So. They created just hundreds of million dollars worth of British pound notes, and in nineteen, eighty, three, a German biologists by accident discovered a lot of these British pounds in the lake. What did we talk about that in like how counterfeiting works maybe? Maybe it does sound familiar. Though for sure, we definitely talked about that plan. Remember there was like a a Jewish printer who was a a Holocaust prisoner of a prisoner of the concentration camp can't remember which one who turned out to be like this master counterfeiter. Yeah, like because the Nazis trained them to or forced him to. As if I remember correctly was counterfeiting episode. Yeah and in nineteen, fifty nine, I talked about the nineteen eighty three, but in fifty nine they recovered seven hundred million pounds of these counterfeit notes from that Lake. So some people say that's all that was down there. other people say there may still be gold down there and Austria. Still to this day has a problem about ten divers a year illegally dive in that Lake, looking for that treasure, and what's interesting about this lake aside from the fact that there might be Nazi treasuring which is interesting enough to make the lake remarkable in noteworthy, but in addition to that this lake has a kind of strange hydrology in that the top half of it is freshwater, the bottom half a saltwater, and they're separated by density, and in the middle of these two layers is A. A like a layer of floating layer of ancient logs that have fallen. We Are Lake and been preserved over time, and so you can only dive so far before you hit this layer of logs and some divers I think five divers have at least have died in this lake, looking for Nazi gold, and at least one of them got tangled up in this layer of logs. It's a really dangerous place to dive, but the fact that you can't really see past this layer of logs. Is One of the things that keeps people coming back and keeps this legend alive because they can't thoroughly searched this Lakensha showcases. No. There's no gold here. Leave this place alone. Stay away. Amazing. It is pretty amazing, and then the other thing about it too is this is a really remote location that was used by Nazi officers, high ranking Nazi officers and for missile testing. It seems like a really odd place just to dump counterfeit pound notes. Yeah like you could dump those just about anywhere. So I don't know. Maybe there is something to. Get your scuba gear ready. Got, my flippers on already. You can't see, but I've got him on. All Right? We're GONNA move now to an eastern German town along the Czech border. called Deutsche Catherine Enberg Nights. It's sort of looks like the alphabet when it's on a on a page. It's a lot of letters in a row. But there are people there that think not only. Is there a gold here? But possibly the amber room, which was this? Just look at pictures of the amber room. It's pretty amazing. This chamber of honey and linseed and Cognac infuse amber panels, a gold frame mosaics, marble, precious stones, and it was a gift of Prussian King Frederick Ville home. The first to Russia's Peter the Great. Once called the eighth wonder of the world and it disappeared during World War Two, yeah, the Nazis plundered it from Russia from the USSR. And they took it back to Germany back to Konigsberg or Koonig. Berg which was I, think now a tie or part of of Russia again, but at the time during World War. Two was part of Germany or Prussia. And they had an on public exhibit for like four or five years, and then at the end of the war, it just vanished, and no one's seen it since and there's a lot of people who say well. It was destroyed an air raids. Other people say it was sunk on the show. You know on a ship that was secretly carrying it It's just lost, but there's a pair of treasure hunters. At Deutsche Catherine, Enberg who searched in the area because they were sure that among other things. The room panels were were buried there in that town. Yeah and this is. This is probably the worst ending to A. Potentially, cool story ever. Those there was a pair of searchers. Searching for this stuff. One of them's father was German Air Force officer in World War Two. And in his personal notes, this son thought that he'd found the exact coordinates of this treasure, so he got together with another treasure hunter, who was another German? He was a mayor in fact, a nearby town and they thought that they had discovered three radar this big rectangular underground space about sixty feet down. and. When I was reading this dude, it was so juicy. I was like Oh. Boy What happened. They didn't ever tell anyone. The the no one knows if they found any treasure. They didn't say anything about it. Apparently, they had an acrimonious split in two thousand eight. Yeah, and that's just sort of the end of the story. Yeah, I guess. The other treasure hunter was staying in the mayor's town in the mayor kicked them out of town. It was that acrimonious. Wow, so that's it last I heard was that they they didn't find anything in two thousand eight, or they didn't never search for it. Right so, it was a little lame worth putting in there I think. It's worth putting in there. It's just Has No good resolution now? It's the yeah, no, but you read a lot of fiction, so you can deal with that right. That's right. Okay, so in Poland south southeastern, southwestern Poland in a little corner down there there's something there's a range of mountains called the mountains. And there's a long standing in widespread rumor. That's that's been there for a very long time. I would say roughly since around the end of the second. World, war, that would be my guess. That there is a ghost train Nazi ghost train loaded with jewels, gold weapons art, basically everything you can think of that. The Nazis would have plundered or pillage loaded onto the train, driven into a tunnel in the mountain, and left their hidden that it still there and people have been looking for it for a very long time against. It's probably about the end of World War Two but the thing that's kept this treasure hunt alive chuck is there really is a vast unmapped network of tunnels in the our mountains that the Nazis dug there in world. War Two. Yes so again. Some of this is based in fact, so that's what will keep any sort of urban legend alive if part of it is true. And they did. They dug these tunnels of mine shafts between forty, three and forty five. It was called the racer project, which means giant in German. And no one knows why some people say it might have been one of their weird secret weapons programs. some people say it may have been a potentially where Hitler was going to hold up for his last stand, but it was very very secretive, even among the SS because. If worked on this tunnel, you had to sign a competent a confidentiality agreement, which just sounds funny for some reason. Everything about the SS. Secretive, it would just be implicit but William. What are they gonNA, do like take you to court that you violated your NDA or something. I! It's it is odd, isn't it? You know what they would do. They shoot you I wouldn't need a signed agreement for that. The Nazis. We're talking about you know. Yeah, so they were not allowed to have their family members within forty kilometers radius of this area. And these tunnels were dug by forced labour from concentration camps nearby. And it might have been a place for gold, and may still be, but the Soviets ruined all that in nineteen forty-five when they came knocking at the door, and the Nazis fled, and basically blew up their own tunnels behind them. Yet and I want to say there's a really good New Yorker article about the hunt think it's even called the hunt for Nazi gold about this particular legend and people looking for and they they take a second I. Think it's really worth rum. Pointing out here, too is You know people who who are looking for treasurer. Providence of the treasure is Just get so wrapped up in the Treasury in the legends of the myths and everything that allows you to forget things like while you're running around the tunnel network that was dug by people who were literally worked to death over the course of weeks. They were worked that hard they died. Digging these tunnels that hold maybe this legendary treasure. There's the only thing you can focus on. We're talking about that and and that's definitely like a part of the. Problem that comes along with the job is. You know forgetting like look having blinders on you forget the reality of the situation. It's definitely. It's important to remember this that you know. Some of this gold we're talking about was pulled from the teeth of dead Holocaust victims, you know. That, too. It's like Bill Paxton Titanic. He needed that reminder from the old lady like you're all pumped up looking for this jewel, people people died here, man. Yeah, let's get it together. Paxton R. P. Yeah, that was so jarring when you told me that that first time few few months bag. Did I break you that news you. Did you broke it hard? So according to this legend as far as the L. Mountains go there was this ghost train like you said, and it was a freight train loaded with all kinds of valuables art work, jewels gold bullion bars of gold, and they have that thing in this thing and it never came out in those tunnels. and. The other part of this story that is rooted in fact is there were Nazi trains that carried tons and tons of gold and valuables and jewelry paintings There was one in particular, called the Hungarian gold train that was intercepted by allied forces in nineteen forty five, so you got a real train that happened right? You've got these real tunnels that were dug right and all of a sudden. This rumor of the ghost train takes root. Yeah, the idea that those two things are have come together in the Al Mountains though that's the thing that's never been shown to be true. That's right and not from a lack of looking. No, not at all. No, there's a lot of people looking for that. There the This one's actually my favorite. weirdly probably, it's a shipwreck I'm just so fascinated by shipwrecks, so the the ship I'm talking about is called the SS. Mendon and it was a German merchant vessel and back in I. Think Nineteen thirty nine. It was disabled by the British Royal Navy off the coast of Iceland Right. And what? What's so mysterious about this? Is that the the Mindan's ship register shows that it was just carrying. Resin from Brazil at NC. What kind of resin but you can do? All sorts of industrials over the resume for making adhesives to plastics to whatever. and then that was it right, but the thing that makes the sinking of the men in some serious. Is that the ship's captain? Rather than let it fall into British hands, sunk it himself, and he sunk it in seventy seven hundred feet of water off the Icelandic coast, and that's where it lay undiscovered. Believed two thousand seventeen, when a mysterious ship showed up and started looking around the Icelandic coast in it believes that it found. Yeah I mean it's a little odd to sink a ship full of resin only. raises a little bit of suspicion like you said even though he can do some things with it. It kind of stuck out to me as like what else is on that boat but yeah, in two thousand, seventeen, the coastguard and Iceland bordered a vessel. Of the seabed constructor. unnervingly bland name. It's so boring. It's not like the well now. I can't. All Boat. Names are kind of dumb. Of the see. That's what I needed my boat. Sure. So. They intercepted a, they said. Hey, what are you guys doing here? And they said Oh well This boat has been leased by a of British folks who are such searching for the wreck of the SS Mendon. and. They were like what. Haven't you heard that that was just full of resin? And they said clearly not because we're spending one hundred thousand dollars a day to least this boat. Frankly is not that great of a deal, but we couldn't talk them down any. So that I mean if someone is spending one hundred thousand dollars a day that means that makes me think they know something that we don't know. Yeah, and the Icelandic press actually reported that they think that the the you know something. We don't know so much, so that they they interviewed the crew in the crew said the official story is that they're looking for a couple of hundred million dollars worth of gold that they believe was hidden in the safe on that ship, but that the real story the real prize for what they're looking for is only known to a handful of people high ranking people on the boat. That man left at that which man the Iceland press knows how to how to spin a mystery. If you ask me, yeah, I mean that really added this extra Arab mystery on top of everything else which is oh sure. We think there's one hundred million dollars plus in gold, but we're really there for another secret reason. Yeah, if a one hundred million dollars worth of gold is your decoy cover story man, you're onto something. Impressive I can't wait until they raised thing because from what I could tell everything everything pointed to the fact that they did successfully find the Mendon that that is the Mendon they found, but as far as I know, they have not gone down in salvage at all. Get James Cameron on it. Who knows maybe the amber room was sunk, and maybe it happened to be on the SS. Mendon so maybe we'll have the amber room back in the next ten years. well, Hey, man, you said today's magic second ABC Break Word James Cameron which means obligated to take our second message break. Do you want to take it now or shall? We taken it three minutes ago now let's take it now. Okay, we'll be right back, everybody. Learn about. Getting gone. Wrong. Jerry. Tax Season can be a real pain. Am I right? 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You can also just enter the international goal trade, and you can turn up. Alarmingly Nazi gold that was kind of lost. You could put it after the war. Yes, this is really interesting in nineteen, forty six as part of reconstruction and restoration all over Europe. There was a committee forum called the Tripartite Gold Commission so Gore the Tripartite Commission for the restitution. Of Monetary Gold and this is formed and by the US by the French and by the Brits. And basically the whole jam here was. Let's find all this goal account for all this gold that we discovered in his allies, and let's redistribute it back to where we if we can trace it such to where it was alluded. To the banks and central banks, and even if we can find out human individuals, even better that and the it was strictly to I, believe strictly to the European central banks that had a claim to having been looted from after the war, and then in the late nineties there was a real push to try to compensate the survivors in the heirs of the Holocaust who also had been robbed too so a lot of gold that some countries still head claim on as part of this London conference on Nazi. Nazi gold that was held in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seven, some some of the countries that said well actually. We're still odorata this goal. They said okay well. We'll take a portion of this gold and diverted to humanitarian groups who will use it to to for reparations to Holocaust victims, which is pretty cool. The big outlier in this was a little tiny country. There remained neutral during World War Two at least on paper Switzerland who not only it turns out was secretly assisting the Nazis in laundering. Gold in exchange for money that the Nazis could go use to fund this war machine. They hung onto this Nazi gold, and from what I can tell still have all of the Nazi gold that they had after. World War Two including gold that was made from that Zahn gold meltdown. Personal effects in gold teeth that Switzerland apparently still hasn't its gold reserves and is not willing to give up. That was really surprising. This all came out because of a historical paper. That was part of that conference. It showed that US had a lot of this gold that they melted down after the war, and did return to the central banks in Europe as part of an effort to stabilize their economy there right but finding out that Switzerland did this. And that Switzerland was neutral and that the Geneva Convention with which explicitly bars. This kind of thing comes from Geneva Switzerland right is like the irony here and it's. I JUST WANNA. Know if there's more to this, there's got to be something else right they're. They're good people. Sure but I mean. Countries do bad things for sure you know even if there are good people that live there there's. I mean from everything I could tell. It came out in the nineties that it was pretty clear. Switzerland had served as money launderers for the Nazis without anybody realizing it for decades. Wow, yeah, it's it is pretty shocking for sure I think the thing that gets me. Though is the idea that there's a lot of gold in the international gold trade today. That can be traced back to missing Nazi. Gold that is not necessarily buried in the side of a mountain in Poland or under a small town along the german-czech border that it's it's out about it's being used as currency, or as a commodity today in the in the International Gold trade that to me is the most astounding part of all of this. Yeah, how do you trace gold? They have a very strict system for it, but it's only as strict as how it's observed. Okay, so like for example in two thousand and nineteen, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, which has spent a lot of time hunting down Nazi war criminals In the I think starting in the sixty seventies and eighties They accused of Venezuela and specifically the administration of Nicholas Maduro of trafficking in Nazi gold that he sold over the course of his administration so far something like seventy seven tons of gold, and they're like you know what. We're pretty sure that that was Nazi gold that was transferred late in the war to Spain, and then on to South America help fund a Fourth Reich a rebuilding of the Nazi regime among the war criminals living there, and they think that this was some of that gold and Medeiros been selling it to kind of bankroll his his country, and his his his regime. Wow. Isn't that nuts? It is nuts, they also. This whole thing is nuts. Yeah, it is absolutely the the like. I can't remember how I came across. I think it was a how stuff works articles a couple on them. And it started digging further and further, and it's just one of those things where it's. It just takes such a great left turn, great meaning like just surprising and expected where it's like you know you're going from treasure hunters, arguing in kicking one another out of little towns, and in kicking around mountains in Poland to the International Gold trade trafficking in Nazi gold. Still it's it's just. Crazy story. Yeah, it's it's pretty mind blowing and disappointing and a lot of ways. Yeah, for sure because again. Remember a lot of that goal. Those gold bars are melted down gold teeth taken from Holocaust, victims or gold wedding rings taken from Holocaust victims, and now they're used to as as part of international form of currency. Yeah Boo Boo! well, let's it you got anything else got nothing else. If you want to know more about gold, there's a lot you can read. It's quite rabbit hole. You can go down if you want to so you start by going to how stuff works dot com, checking out their articles on it, and since I said how stuff works, it's been awhile. It means it's time for listening mail. Right I was thinking that would be a good movie. About World War Two era Nazi, gold hunters, but It's sort of like three kings already did that, but that was the Gulf War. Yeah and then also there was that one museum men I. Think they were brought in to. Make sure that the paintings that were looted. We're not. Whatever I didn't see that. One called museum. What was it almost positive? It was museum. Look that up while I read listener meal all right because that's a terrible name. I agree I call this We cited someone that we probably shouldn't have cited and this is from anonymous. Hey, guys really enjoyed the show this week on universal basic income, just a heads up. You cited the conservative economist Charles Murray and his justifications for introducing UB to the American economy. I'm sure you didn't realize this. But Murray is a particular favourite of white supremacists of boy for his views on genetics in their contribution to social inequality between whites and people of Color. Yeah he is a book, called the Bell Curve that is often cited as data proven evidence for white supremacy It's also largely been debunked as pseudoscience. Wow, he links to a southern poverty law center's right up for our own reference. And he says I will no doubt keep. Listening is I'm sure it was unintentional. Please take more care though and your sources especially if it might throw your narrative for a loop, and that is from anonymous in boy anonymous. You're right. We had no idea I'm sure done a little bit more digging there, please everyone realize and anyone that listens to the show probably realizes we certainly did not mean for that to be the case when we cited Mr Murray now kind of biff to that one big time no offense intended. Hopefully you didn't take it and thank you for a very measured and level and handed. Correction that's right. It was very kind. By the way chuck, it's monuments men. Yeah. I knew something about it. That didn't sound right, but there is a show called museum that's been on since two thousand fourteen, but they add these docents, they kind of they make displays for museums their craftsman craft people. Okay, okay, so museum monuments men two different things. Right and IF YOU WANNA. Get in touch with us. You can join us on the Internet. Sensiti Male, rapid up spanking on the bottom and send it off to stuff. I HEARD RADIO DOT COM. Stuff you should know a production of iheartradio's how stuff works for more podcasts. 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You know it's like the biggest thing in the world so then somebody got run over because of that the the Vegas shooting were fifty six people sixty people died committed never really got to the bottom of that dude and what he was doing up there and then his house I got robbed and there was security on the floor but they're waiting it out this this notion of like we got to solve this with more security yeah but if they're hiding a mop closet it's not really. GonNa Health investing like four Ninjas yeah take care of Shit. I'm sorry but back to the Jews as we need some Israeli type yeah sure someone who makes a judgment call life with saving the always know so also what what'd you think about your free speech guy. Oh I I am so up first off. I am so over Comedians Sean's being held to some sort of standard like they do. They influence kids words. I it's just words in their cat. Damn comedians. They try to say out there things and also everything is context. Everything is context so like if you find find someone who's black and you call them the N. Word then you should get into trouble theoretically can't work here if I said I guess what are used the N. word and I said the whole word now. You're in trouble too and I'd be like no I didn't. I'm telling you what he did like this notion of Dick contact ever Louis when they were like those park land jokes say those who survivors and he'd be like yeah of course not right raising. That's not what was was forced for a club in Albany right like you out of your mind the show we'll say in from your mom also you can say to somebody. I'm I'm going to kill you or you can say. I'm going to kill you in a joking fashion to your son or daughter. Now it's all context if you are planning on in fact it killing this person then there's this situation if you're doing it as a joke then it's zero and it's not just based on the words if I if I am your enemy and I'm like I know what you lived at word that I'm going to kill her going like I'm GonNa. Kill you if doing that of course needed all the time I got on twitter was for like four months. Burke ratio is going to kill them in home invaders family if it talk by records like it's a threat of violence. I'm like I can't express how non-violent this threat is. Bert like he didn't mean it. Burns your throat my buddy yeah so it's weird way and also. I just hate the what it does to young commerce coming up where it's like. Oh I can't even walk. This line 'cause seven years from now. It might be the end of my career. I'm also not down with removing people from their livelihood livelihood. I feel like I say weird punishment. You know get them to do. PUSH UPS are pick up garbage by the side of the freeway guys with the orange jumpsuits. There's some they sing you. You cannot work now kind of kind of an all encompassing attack on anybody like you're not allowed to have a livelihood first things first. I don't know I kind of like the guy paying taxes number one as a citizen of this country. I like people paying taxes to I don't know does he have a wife. Does he have kids as you have a family like who else who's he taken care of. Maybe as an elderly mother who he needs to take care life. I know what you thought of that before old. Everybody's got just chat. I never saw the bridge to this behavior to. You have to lose your job like if like if you go against your job if let's say you work for like I don't know the Simon Wiesenthal Center and they secretly Nazi like this really goes against what we do here yeah but it was like an unrelated related thing. That's like this has nothing to do with it. Yeah I honestly I'm a JU. If you work for me in a non like Jewish aspect and you go go clan on weekends I'm like that's your business your time but also it's sort of like going out on a Friday night that he's a Jew giving on on a non Sabbath Day and getting into a fight or bad at a bar or something and then you show up Monday the GM factory and the hold on not no. You're not working what happened because you said some ugly words to that chick at the bar that you got in a spat their old man on Saturday night yeah no no work Monday. What's what's what's one have to do with the other. I never saw the coalition was just coming up really blood lusty time right. Now we're like Oh. I think I can get this guy in trouble even even if you don't care it shouldn't feel good to call the cops on your neighbors who are having a party. It shouldn't feel good like do you know all the guys anyone who ever gets busted by the building department when the building inspector shows up it some neighbor that call and this wasn't a patio on and he didn't ask permission care. Who are these people that are just able. You're dropping dimes. Why does that feel satisfying for no reason. It's the same old people people like you should wait till the light turns green before you cross the crosswalk simple. I'm like you should my own business but the fuck you talk about you. Make August would make a great traveling partners because Mike Mike Yells at strangers myself starting to fight for no reason did Artie Lang performed. That night is well. possibly the stand comedy club. It's just fun. Nightclub Comedy Club goes up all the time. It's not like a big moment. They making these big moments but it's now twenty five shows a week. I think we're all happy I think in CA- report that are on on the road to recovery et recognize him. He's thinner than you are. Wow It's unbelievable. All the nose is gone. It's never coming back like the rest of them is like she's after the first time I've ever heard him say. I have no desire to us again. Wow I've never heard him every time he's got a rehab. It's never been. It's always seems like this was forced. I have no interest in cleaning up. It's like well. He such a great force. He's obviously a great comedian but he's also just a great dude and a good clean thin version of already lang going to beep Deepak. What's the fucking awesome pictures old clothes that don't fit anymore yeah to himself in that well. I'm I'm I'm happy for the guy and I'm glad that Shane's Nice Guy. I went on the night he was like I guess that he was thrown off. SNL realize allies funniest shit we just talked about the crowd was all just a wreck. They weren't there for him. You know so they were just like they're there for like the general comedy and they're just having a good time. We're all laughing and enjoying enjoying herself. Well you know what I find problematic. Everyone is well acquainted like the same people the same ain't people that are trying to get tossed off of SNL or everyone removed from their jobs. Never Stop Bellyache and bitching and yamen about about McCarthyism Number One and look at your your your mort Saul so you're Richard Pryor's. Here's your Lenny Bruce constantly percents that shouldn't be anywhere outside those basements they they look at them with reverence so it's like okay okay so this guy from the sixties was talking about smoking weed or having sex with black checks or or doing whatever he was doing and he's getting arrested and you look at him as a deity like. I'm I'm here as a hero and then there's other guys we're trying to get people removed from their jobs now. You can no longer work in Hollywood because we suspect you're in the Communist. I mean is her Socialist Party. Whatever you hate those and now you want this the rapture from the same stuff. This is the thing you hate. You're engaging in and you're shutting down the thing you love. Which is this free speech? Freedom are these comedians are oftentimes on the vanguard of speaking the truth or speaking their mind and you WanNa both from the same person what how wildly inconsistent argue it out. Can you talk talk about. McCarthy is an and trying to get some shit can from their job for words simultaneous at some point out of you. GotTa realize most people are Morons and yes to him and it sucks when they come at you and you have to lose your job over but you're never gonna get through to them. Solicits talk about gross pussies all right. Let's just back. You know what I mean. Yeah No. I it's like I've had conversations are enough heard conversations where people are like but aren't you for free speech on campus and they're like yeah yeah one hundred percent but you gotta understand that kind of speech dangerous and you're like who's GonNa decide. Well let us veteran and decide whether it's like okay. You're all about free speech except for after run it through. You and you have to decide whether we can do it or not just you. It's only if this percentage apple. It's wrong but like it's fucking weird this with a straight face but anyway fringe on someone's rights than say whatever the fuck you want so are a you you roast. The roast was was good rose felt kind of liberating because it was like an environment where you could say context context context context if you had just sat next to Caitlyn Jenner on a bent abandoned. Its alter said those things you'd be the worst person in the world but this has contents. This is a row onstage or it's a podcast or he's trying to make people laugh or think or cry or whatever it is the worst I things in the world were said with the the easiest context. It's a roast and thus no tears well. That's the thing about those podcasts and the regular stand up like the comedy store or the standard of the seller words like the context is guys real signed up for this. We all came to to listen to grow stuff and you're giving it somewhere else right. It's like if somebody's served a search ham. No none of the Jewish thing it's like well. Why don't you bring my fucking hand buffet to the Jewish thing now. Let's you've never supposed to be supposed to hear that shankill painkillers stuff except it's fucking three thousand PAS listeners who signed up for it. You know again most of the time people don't even hear here it to get on board with it. How many insane would you have had the drink to fuck Caitlyn Jenner. Oh my God well. What's the number I'll Tayo. I'll tell you what Caitlyn cadence with. The heels probably six okay that's all the big hands people forget athlete hands before javelin hands went to school on a football scholarship as a linebacker as reminded to me on the road with Mike August who played linebacker so at the college level. I think had a a knee injury or something and coach said you ought to switch to to Catholic. has a interesting voice but we both share Aaron intense love of cars and racing and I feel like that would draw me a little over two actually into her between time one in time to talk here and and we would definitely talk cars and rubbing the hair stroking draft draft straight down yeah you just gotTa pick your angles and I'm assuming we don't know but I think Caitlyn's got her chunk right. I show up to ninety percent of the jokes were that she does not well and on surprise surprise. Jesus quarter now well. The the jokes are really based I don I don't know what is what is the definitive definitive piece of information we have on has undergone yeah surgery her word. I mean that was one of her big jokes during the roast when she said you know you all say I cut it off. I cut it off. I didn't cut it off. I retired got it yeah but I don't know I every once or twice a year. We look this up. I I happened into seventeen off. Chop right the champion version yeah they. S- play it and open it up butterfly food things like that yeah plan appealing Stena yeah but I would I would consider frying it up and that's how but that's how it works. Two thousand seventeen it was it was a done deal right who said that starting January ah various publications some tablets but US magazine she confirmed that in April that she went underwent gender reassignment surgery starting in January two thousand seventeen gender reassignment sounds like she gave the Dick to someone else who signed it yeah. It's it's not saying much about it just that it happened. Didn't we get a we got a call all at a like I duNno Utah Denver. Something is dead or week where they're saying that it's there. They don't Oh call it gender reassignment anymore. They call it. Talk and talk no confirmation. It's gender confirmation richer may Chabad Kabar Mitzvah. Wow this was always supposed to be surgery to finally corrected just hanging over shaft. Pay Us all right right. Let me his Tuck it as opposed to having to form a Dick. That's the way harder to go. Female male right to go female harder had to go through a male. It's harder yeah. How how does he just very enlarged? Literates got to blow it up with air air something. I think you go China the wrestler. How's that GONNA look well. She had called Quatorze. I may or something like that. Oh yeah image search not I grew up. We called it a rape clint. Why Yeah where. Where did you grow up in prison. I mean you could do something with it. Oh yuck use it as a weapon. Yeah Yeah Yeah never thought about that checkout he wins. It's tough to year. We gotta tell Ya so I'm sure they've made a lot of strides although would you. You're good form of peanut butter like cadaver tissue right. I remember yeah I remember. I remember hearing how it went once there. There's no fast and easy and fun road to kidding either direction action on this. Whatever if I get into detail about what it takes to do this. You'RE GONNA slide your lasagna plate in front of your own. Fold your arms. You're you have to ask the doctor. I see some of your other work. I don't know if this patient client privilege but like I'd love to see what you've done. Yeah I've done that. I've gone to the plastic. Surgeons surgeons just the ones who do breast reduction and just went kinda see some before and after like yeah. No stop coming. We I want to look at your book. Show host all right. Let me hit the bed online dot. AG Weekly Pick 'em contest NFL college action. Uh on the way man we're right in the heat of thanks visit bet online dot. Ag Take Advantage of best bonuses in the business use Promo Code podcast one for a fifty fifty percent sign up bonus match matchups week four and we got we got Philly Green Bay. WE'VE GOT Tennessee Atlanta Cleveland Baltimore Baltimore. I'll tell you my picks and a second got. Five hundred bucks rewards give out each week to five listeners five thousand dollar season-long long charity contests join the conversation on twitter with Hash Tag sports net challenge. I'M GONNA go for my lack lack of the week Kansas City chiefs vs Detroit Lions and my score is twenty eight to thirteen so check that out that you bet your house use Promo Code podcast one and receive a fifty percent sign up bonus today bet online dot. Ag All right. Let's take a break. We'll come back with Ari and do the news with Graf rat brake five all those crazy trump tweets. G. Grant trouble leave in the news with Gene Grad well the early metrics were not great for the seventy first. Primetime Emmy awards watched by just under seven million viewers from eight. PM Till Eleven PM Eastern turn the host Louis Ceremony pulled the smallest audience for any me's ever it was thirty two percent fall from the Monday airing of the show on NBC last year and a thirty nine percent fall from the previous Sunday airing on CBS in two thousand seventeen on there. You go faceless. No one cares. That's that's what gives it the fucking cachet well. Nobody wants because it ruins their careers when you dig up an old tweets idiots. I know you fuckers unhappy. Is this what you want. Michelle blessed also I don't know is this progress. You know what I mean like. I keep telling everyone like like okay. The rest I phone and then there's iphone three and then there's the Tan and whatever I get it like progress like your cars better than your parents car was. Do you think this is progress toward the light it is. I don't think they're gonNA watch in the first place because people were never going to watch going like it this way I I don't again my problem with the progressive movement is they don't know when to fucking stop. They just have the Word Progress S. in movement and they just keep going and going and it just we're. GonNa keep fucking going. I've drives me nuts either theory about it so you're like American sports. Fans are Kinda dumb. American political fans are also kind of dumb that really know what they're talking about this here. We're built on this like you know we can do whatever we want kind of thing even grabbing a stick when he did that and our feminists are the same way are liberals is same way we're just dumb ones. We have feelings so we thought it through right. It's one of like Yell Shit out the YEP. Feminists are dumber than our sports fans dumb yeah right. We're listening to now. Just idiots untrained. Go find a professor listen to what they're saying yeah yeah. He'll definitely get fired. If you listen to him yeah so now we don't have a host. I miss a host and also watch the EMMYS. Well host also gives gives you something to kind of. Hang your hat on. You know what I mean like you guys hosting. Oh yeah once he the monologue whatever like right it comes and goes now. You never know it's happening. It justifies the winters then right which is basically all they did. I got a couple of them. Were interested your question. The the ceremony happened last night or was it tape delayed Sunday night yeah. It was actually happened. Okay I mean I think they were holding onto it for a day. No idea I literally that the vet all the winter soon I'll give you a couple outstanding supporting actor in a comedy series. Tony Shalhoub is Great Marvelous Mazel. That is a great show. Adams Favorite Alex Boris scene for marvelous. Mrs Mazel she won for outstanding supporting actress in a comedy series known her for millionaires is good on that show yeah bill. Oh hater time she she was like yelling at me my kitchen my apartment and I just want hey. We're my apartment like for fucking out alipay and the sidewalks yes. She married a friend of mine who she married. Doug Jackson who changes just named it Jackson Douglas Confusing for me but anyway outstanding supporting actress that's what she won for outstanding lead in a comedy series Bill Hader for Berry outstanding lead actress. This was a big deal. phoebe. Waller Bridge for a show called fleabag does sweeping sleep in the nation but the big yes and the big deal about this is Jill. Julia Louis Dreyfus didn't win. She always wins every year for this last season and she did not run a perfect table I'm surprised that I could not care less part of that story. I one eight hundred nine wins them. All Wow you did five non story. Here's something that everyone needs to go ahead and pay their reverence to outstanding outstanding reality competition series Ru. Paul's drag race wins again. They WANNA creative. They're on a regular emmy. Nobody cares for sure because that the costuming that goes into that show super woke or is it saw both I mean it's not really woke. It's it's well no not woke. It's it's the whole premise is what we love it down for you. There's two kinds of drag queens. There's comedy Queens and there's pageant Kriens the pretty girls against the funny girls and they all have to do things and they're all different shapes and sizes but the hot skinny chicks always win and at the end the last two on the pecking order lip sync for their life and Rupaul says good luck and don't fuck it up up and then one of them sachets away okay so you've seen the show several times think of once or twice yeah and fleabag which I'm told from Mike August is funny shows to be excellent. I've not seen it couldn't tell you a show and it's on the ring doorbell network network collect ever along an APP so in shows on your porch and does a sketch. You can watch it on your found. Stay away from the Blue Apron box sketch like I just feel like they're more outlets. Now there really are there's just can you just get every mind everything just send me what I would like and leave. Everything else out is there. A Computer Program does that. I think we're GONNA GONNA. Get to some chip. You put in your head. It'd be Nice so this is supposed to be funny show but I haven't seen it on Amazon right. I think it is now on Amazon but it's originally a BBC. Three right pedals on accent always wins yeah SNL Now beat God at home with Amy Sedaris drunk history documentary. Now I love you America's of men WHO and who is America Outstanding Talk Series John Oliver and of course game of thrones swept all their category. That's bullshit because the worst season special effects. They should win for that but everything else maybe cost him. Those people should be shot for their writing. How dare you take our ticket thing and just ruined it with your fucking garbage. Hollywood would interpretation fuck. You both guys what are their names. I WanNa say what were their names. Lindelof and whatever no he's lost. You should say that because that was also the worst ending at what happened a game of thrones stop trying. They stopped killing off main characters. US got really predictable. You Dave Ben and off are any off off dude. I wouldn't hire him as an extra on anything. I've ever got TV wise yeah. They got aww Shit for that. They had people got death threats they they did. They had petitions. You have to do the last season over again. People are passed. They went to go work on Star Trek Second. They just like We'll just phone it in talking ten years. I've been watching faulk. You stroke them. Is that from just you get busy. you start farming things out out and you know you can farm out ironically almost everything on a farm move that hey mail all right all right. Let him do that. No one suffers but you can't farm out the super creative shit really now. It did not as a fury like it's happening up. I guess like that like one decent episode out of six minor. One minor character got killed one heroic a character that we've all been rooting for how many seasons turn bad. It was just made sense off the next episode. They have their full army back again. I have the same relationship relationship of game of thrones which I do with my kids which I keep a long. I take emotional. Distance knew it will never be disappointed. Shred idea listen Kevin Hart updates. Your Son Rob the liquor store there. You Go sure rob that's right stories yeah well. Kevin Hart and the two people in his car that crashed September. I have all lawyered up according to. TMZ everyone's is expecting a big lawsuit so sources with direct knowledge say the driver which was not Kevin Hart who sustained serious back and chest injuries has an attorney as the passenger and is back in the back seat which I think was wife Hussein only minor injuries Kevin as a lawyer. TMZ is told that Kevin is in the crosshairs of the two people in the Nineteen Seventy Wendy Plymouth Barracuda because the car didn't have safety harnesses or airbag crosshairs because he's rich. That's anyone's in the crosshairs. It's Red Cross air canned on the the road to because the company that customize the car could also be looking at a lawsuit because the argument says that the company is the expert and even if Kevin wanted a custom job without safety harnesses they had to do the right thing and make sure the car was say their little empty baggie whereas Kevin has millions of dollars. They're they don't have millions of Adaza. Their insurance look out the seven fifty whatever but they don't have deep pockets finding money also. I love any lawsuit where the argument. AM is basically like look you know Menendez all you shouldn't allegedly drive this car. You shouldn't be your gun. You know the fucking S- path right. That's the fuck. I'm doing right as long you. It's your fault for thinking. I was competent in doing something. That's on you yeah yeah. You should have known. There's no way I can operate this motor vehicle because I'm a fucking spas like I love it. We have to make that argument. which by the way people happily will to get paid sure you should've fucking known? I didn't know it was doing it just because he's rich if that same guy wasn't Kevin Hart and God. I want to speak English and you'd be like fucking. Get outta out of here. Then right I agree and also was it his trainer or who is friend. Do we ever figure out what I think. His wife wife is a trainer right. Here's what I couldn't figure out weird that we train animals and then we train people. I don't like that so the tricks. Trainer used to work. Where's your pissed off broth. That's not really trying to get a trainer to listen the attitude you have when he comes home every day. He pays for all this. We need to like come on. Let's go awesome reassignment surgery. You're probably wondering why I'm wearing these knee high black boots leather bruce I train but this ain't happening and fucking Jim in the kitchen it just as you come home and she's like hey like note. Spray with water up you get up when he comes home. That's right and I'm going to put bidders on the Dick of his boyfriend. You're blowing a negative yeah so that's all I'll hit you with the squirt bottle. If you're not on all into bat it'll be like the opposite of the dog being on the path so there is this part to been able to figure out who the guy is and who the girl is but they're looking for deep pockets and I was talking about this on car cast my car. Show saying you know Dodge sells these these crate engines in the crate engine as a crate engine for the demon or the hell cat or or whatever it is. It's an engine. I got seven hundred and fifty horsepower us bite from them in a crate at some point. They're going to go after dodging go. Hey man you can't just sell selling a Bazooka uh-huh to somebody like this thing is a weapon. They're going to drop you. WanNa take this thing and like just drop it into this car from the six. Of course this is going to happen. You need to vet who you're selling this to like. Are you a drag team. Are you certified. Who are you to buy this engine. Sort of. I guess like if I sold my neighbor neighbor gun or somebody sold. Someone gun wasn't trained or didn't have a background. Check or whatever that's interesting. I wonder if there's some law because otherwise for mass shooting they'd be they'd be suing Smith and Wesson Jason Forever drunk driving accident. It'd be Heineken. Try Try try. Manufacturers should be liable but then Bernie no make it illegal but don't say you can legally legally sell this and then later say in trouble but yeah but it's something that Tattoo Parlor Guy Drunk and wants to Shitty Butterfly. You got human-to-human. She'd be like No. It's not a good you're welcome yeah yeah so they'll probably put some restrictions on who gets these engines but I imagine when they start looking for deep pockets. It's the start looking everywhere jared black actor producer. He was driving and Rebecca Brock Sturman. who was the girl the girlfriend or they're engaged? Okay okay. She's a personal trainer who trains Kevin's wife all right. That's what that's the connection so the stories not leaving the headlines. Anytime soon speaking in which there's an active warrant out for Andy Dick's arrest after an uber distortion doesn't fifteen where he allegedly groped Zuber driver according to TMZ he was allegedly allegedly riding in the Uber back in April twenty eighteen when according to the driver. Andy reached over grabbed his crotch. It's unclear what led up to the incident but the driver did not take it well the very same rating given you one star they went to the. La County Sheriff to file report COPS completed their investigation and the DA's office decided to charge Andy with misdemeanor sexual battery. Apparently warrant the arrest warrant was issued back in March but the actor hasn't been detained yet and and we know it's not the first time he's faced this charge. TMZ broke the story back in July two thousand eighteen the LA city attorney slapped Andy with a misdemeanor sexual battery for allegedly really groping a stranger that time it was on the street and then he got knocked out recently we should hold cock and that guy says he was groped by and and eat seem weird to say that guy just out of the blue punched. Andy Dick when I heard that I was like some doesn't quite add up but what you just said that was like yeah could be more believable. I he well the guy who they caught up to and you shouldn't Kohl-kok people but when they warm Cocu earlier that night then it's easier to cold cock but hub punchy. I never got the groping part because it felt like you're really it's like all the calories and none of the satisfaction you know like a lot of potential lawsuits and slaps in the face and boyfriends punching you out shit like that without a lot of sex. Zack's what what can you really get out of a grow. What's your risk. It's not worth the rest but it happens so much that in Japan they come with that Anti Groping Inc yeah trains. I mean look at the guy look. The Guy who grabbed Terry crews junk got run out of Hollywood it. Just it never really pays the bills the groping you imagine if you said like okay this guy grabbed. Terry Terry Terry crews junk and something bad happened to him like he got shipped out of them by Terry crews right now run out of Hollywood right crews went to Congress to just say like my job. It's weird that everyone has to speak like I don't know by the the way I was it. Fun Budgets little clips of it must have been fun. I didn't need to speak either. They just they call you to speak. What are you GonNa do like my dance carts full. I I gotta go down to Portos and by flying SORTA like law making Yeah No. I didn't actually know what was going on. All I knew is that they wanted me to speak on free speech and and in that that Dick General subject and I just feel like okay you have to go you. GotTa go who limitation Yeah No. I had to do it just so I could tell my mom and she could go. Oh well there you go so. I guess I was wrong so I did it but I don't know what Terry crews is talking talking about like probably like you know when you're in a big Hollywood party and there was like no oh well anyway you know when you're a huge black man no okay eh well you know when you're a huge black man and you're at a Hollywood party and some skinny. Jewish guy grabs your Dick. No no no well anyway. This is an epidemic proportions. I mean this is sweeping the nation ask any NFL interior linemen who said their Dick grabbed by miniature Jewish skype party if he doesn't feel I don't even know what this is. That's my favorite thing about the time's up movement. You know the pre metoo movement when actresses. Salem told but we need to get a job right women and women at home. We're like no this. I already don't want to do my job if you add to suck Dick for the paralegal I'm just leave. Take a position like you. Actresses are working to make ten million dollars if he'd do it yeah sad sad state of affairs so wait who was doing what what what story was this. Andy Dick Andy Dick Grope in is not. It's it's it's like groping is great for summer but it's not a lifestyle of molestation. Yeah you get a little too much. You get beatings. You get cold cocked sued. You know what's it. There's too many cameras and we've got a phone with a with a camera in it. Just don't Yeah Brian. I would love to do a Germany or Florida. If you had a moment right. Godforsaken landing is this fucked up story from. Let's play Germany all right so a woman who wanted more tomatoes during dinner is facing criminal charges after allegedly assaulting eller elderly relatives over the incident. She's nineteen years old. She became incensed when she was denied. Additional tomatoes tomatoes that she asked for during supper so she allegedly threw a bottle at her grandfather and a pack of cigarettes at her seventy three year old female relative who was struck in the eye hard pack doesn't say tell a lot when confronted about her behavior when confronted what about her behavior by non filtered allegedly grabbed a knife and began threatening him with that because could narrow it down aren't even more like witnesses told the authorities she then chased her grandfather with the knife and poked the weapon at his face until authorities arrived WBT happened in. Germany is an American. We hear their relatives yeah. This feels like Florida. It'll take visit Florida me too. It feels just Florida have to go with everyone else's Florida I duNNo. I felt the tomato dinner might seem a little European but yes this did happen in Florida. She said she quote wanted her fair share tomatoes and she didn't get him so she started throwing bottles at grandma and trying to stab. GRANDPA that same person two days earlier. I'm sure starting a rage online about somebody saying the wrong word right so like that's the type of person everyone's listening to this. Shane Shane Kid needs to be dropped from. SNL Come on people by the way he's handling great but I and also did he do a lot of characters voices and things like that. I mean just doing stand up new rural town too. It's like you. You know. This isn't the right show for you. I mean he'll be trying to write sketches for the first time he doesn't do. Impressions doesn't do character great audition stand up in addition to the great thing about the Special Olympics. How how is that so you don't really do characters. You don't right sketches. You're essentially a standup. Why is that even if you have a killer five minutes set but you still stand was he. GonNa Be Weekend Update. I'M GONNA give they give you parts on weekend. UPDATES like every third week and something to try to get you going. I don't really know how well you know that move like and weekend update where they slide drunken girl and they do whatever whatever slide Inigo guy who's bitter that he's thrown off of SNL guy. He's just slides in every sense of humor about themselves and he explained like well. I'm living at home and having trouble getting getting day. Stigmas kind of follow me around and I'm pretty pissed off and by the way those jokes that Colin just said I could have written much better but you guys. They don't have a guy who's like kind of Republican. Go in there and try to like offset the liberal thing there with just funny yeah yeah it'd be. It'd be nice every once in a while. They do get off that SORTA. They do zig when they normally say like every once in a while. They'll make fun of I duNNo. It's like you know eight hundred trump jokes which is fine but every once in a while they'll give like a hillary joke or something and they're putting yeah a little more a little more or that would be pro this just from this point of view yeah no just like. I don't I don't know I don't know what it would be. It'd be it'd be nice because that show is like it's fun to go. Oh live. It's fun to be there. They put on a good live show but some of the stuff is so intentionally unfunny Mike. What have you remember after Hillary Funny Eight. Yeah after Hilary Clinton lost their own trump won they just had someone dressed up as the Clinton McKinnon seeing Hallelujah Louis Malone and I'm like you guys are sketch show. Yeah you've lost your way. What could you doing do it through sketches. It's an make some funny jokes. I totally agree. It happens when you comedians like comedians become serve activists comedians or whatever and it's like look say all the things you want to say but say in a joke form I was I just did the rose and I did a joke where I said you know Hollywood. What a fucked up town. We're insane. CAIT- CAITLIN Jenner found out WANNA cut his dick off and everyone like applauded it and thought it was awesome found out. It was a Republican. Everyone went not cut your Dick off. Hero cut taxes Hitler and it was like all right so you gotta you you got a joke and it was like within the confines of a joke. Get up there and say. Isn't it crazy. How someone who says cutting taxes worse than coming. You're right yeah. That's always my thing which is put it in the form of a joke or like different meet a Christian like a good Christian. WHO's not today just lead by for example. There's always helping homeless. People like giving you a hand up and they don't feel like you should accept Jesus in your life. I it makes me as someone who sees that more likely to be like a Christians. Aren't that bad yeah so make it you're right. I think it's just weird and also also I do also feel like when you are. SNL We get it that you lean laughed but you're not supposed to make proclamations. Here's where we stand what you're supposed to know if trump fucks up will we'll be on him and if Hillary fucks up we'll be on her like that's the that's sort of the way sort of truth. We kind of want it. I want I want it. I don't I don't WanNa just is no. You're all in on one side of that. I'd like to think that you have an equal chance. It's tearing both sides new astle. I I remember before the election and all these COMEDIANS COMEDIANS in general pre left wing. You know pretty liberal most awesome like four gay marriage and stuff like that for the right to it anyway but like all these comics were like well trump does get elected. I'll have a lot more jokes. They all just stopped making any jokes right and they started making proclamation. It's not like executive munition bucket right a bit joke about it. I look the tweets are ridiculous the whole point of comedy and the reason why it works. It's effective. It's sort of like a good good jingle or good slogan for company like Oh you get your point across. It stays in people's heads and it makes you go. Oh yeah yeah it kind of makes you do that. You just just going on long winded tirade about how much you hate this guy or that guy doesn't it comedy and it also doesn't really make the point. Can you imagine agit other forms doing that. In the middle of a novel just chapter four guys is the author here. I just want to say that I stand for the middle of a song just like hey stop. Stop the music for second. I just want to tell you I'm for gay marriage. Well also will know what you stand for by the joke you you make oftentimes. Roger Waters put on a show. I was on acid granite grain of salt but he does a lot of anti trump stuff in his fucking live act but it's it never stopped playing music. It's part of it has giant inflatable pig with like a baby trump writing. It and it's just like man I'm in this. This is great. I was at the DMV. Ah Did you see the duration p Van Yeah. No I just I just fucking stupid song and knock the wall down to the giant inflatable pig. I mean massive the size of this room. Tom And you're like Oh. It's a piggyback deterred and it says the top it's. Oh Yeah we follow the other side of goes taxes go in here and then the acid goes guns. Bob's and death come out here in Dallas going like is that it works. He's done building the wall better aurore crash through like kool-aid with three maxine on his shoulders yeah all right. Let me hit Oracle call net suite here with a growing business well. They got a hodgepodge business systems one for accounting another for sale and other for inventory. 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Lenny went on Howard Stern Monday morning to make the official announcement his attorney issued a statement in explaining dykstra pulled out to focus on preparing for his upcoming trial stemming from a malpractice suit bullshit three days out preparations are going to do S. GMC previously reported Lenny fifteen million dollar lawsuit against La County and several deputies claiming he was beaten badly while serving a jail sentence in two thousand twelve now he's suing the Boucher law firm which represented him in the lawsuit from the water tank in Lake laundromats and south his car wash car wash and his new attorneys believed the boxing match will be just to distraction with all this legal stuff going on and the fight will not be rescheduled. Oh kick it by the Fuko to a step in well. Bagel guy wants to opponents so somebody's gotta step in on their long. You know those boxing matches and they have like seven fights on the card. There's always a fighter or two. That's just sitting back there waiting just waiting the fluffer. If there's first round knockouts in the first three you know the first three fights is scheduled for eight rounds but if they go two rounds diversity you're fighting tonight. Oh yeah which is kind of being the most it's nerve wracking job in the world with a gentleman drops you show up at the Olympic Auditorium and you may be fighting tonight or you may not happy fighting and then it's like the first fight goes three rounds and you're like all right rooting for the second one to go long yourself in a friend of mine do Tobago Guy Corolla Gina. Ub Manager Elizabeth Elizabeth. I would love to see that you fucking trip that Bagel Guy. He's I feel like the guy already fought in the Bagel Star this job all right so lenny's out doubt and WHO and there's nobody nobody you gotta have someone on speed dial. You gotTa have somebody there. Just go to world star hip hop and find. That's all right. Let's you got it. 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GSMC Television Podcast Episode 275: Ru-Paul Rules, Ben Affleck Flaps Back as the Bat, and Nick Cannon?

GSMC Television Podcast

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GSMC Television Podcast Episode 275: Ru-Paul Rules, Ben Affleck Flaps Back as the Bat, and Nick Cannon?

"Watching TV has changed over time streaming has become the new norm. That's why golden state media concepts television podcast dives headfirst to the world of cord cutting wants to be on. Bloomberg. What's hot and Netflix or if it's not a preference what about original shows in Hulu, we've got you covered join us as we fill the blank and talk about movies to stream and what show you should be binging. This is golden state concepts television podcast. Yeah. Crazy Jack. Hello and welcome to the G. S. MC television podcast reported the mighty. GSM See podcast network. And I'm you're trying to keep dry host Howard Fletcher. I'm joined his always well, my trusted engineer Jack, the Black Pug, and we are positively honored and thrilled to be here with you. Once again, if you're new to the show, we'd like to give you a very warm. Welcome. Thank you for giving us a try. We know there's a ton of media out there. They're unbelievable amount of podcast you can be on Youtube or Streaming that I'm about to to you about. So we appreciate you chanced choosing to spend a little of your time with us. Let Me Mumble in your ear we aim to please. Stick around I'm sure you'll hear something that you like and we want you to keep coming back and if you're one of our loyal listeners, you know how we feel about you. You're the reason we're here. So let's have some fun. We have another jam packed show for you today. Bats lack. That's Ben Affleck as Batman well, he might be back on your big. Little screen. Soon. Southern charm. That's not so charming anymore Bravo. I've got some more nick cannon stuff. I like talking about Nick Cannon not always in good way. I'll always have news breaks for you and Rupaul. balling out of control a gain. But first let's get started with some breaking Broadway. News. Organizers of the Tony Awards have set a plan for a virtual presentation of this year's awards ceremony to be held in the fall. The seventy fourth annual Tony Awards ceremony had been scheduled for June seventh at Radio City. Music Hall, but Broadway's big postponed because of you know what Corona Virus Twenty and nineteen twenty twenty Broadway season was abruptly cut short by the shuttering. Stem theaters in March as the covid nineteen outbreak worsened and New York state imposed strict social distancing requirements. The specific date and platform for the virtual Tony's will be announced quote unquote soon, according to the statement that was. Released by the Broadway League and American theatre wing which administer the Broadway Tony Awards. And I got a copy in my email box. Which I was very surprised to see but I guess they thought I needed to know here's a quote. Though unprecedented events cut the twenty, one, thousand, nine, hundred, twenty, twenty Broadway seasons short. It was a year of extraordinary work that deserves to be recognized said Charlotte Saint Martin President of the Broadway League and Heather Higgins President and CEO of the American theatre wing in a joint statement issued Friday which I picked up. They continued we are thrilled not only have found a way to properly celebrate our artists, incredible achievements this season, but also to be able to uplift the entire theater community and show the world, what makes our Broadway family? So special at this difficult time, the show must go on no matter what and it will end quote. Questions of eligibility in a shortened season will be determined in the coming days by the Tony Awards Administration Committee. Given the unexpected shutdown Tony administrators are likely to face numerous questions about the criteria for contenders in this year's unusually short season. Tony nominations announcement had been set for April twenty eighth the eligibility window for shows to compete in the Tony's still closed on April twenty third according to playbill there were sixteen shows set for the twenty nineteen twenty twenty season that had yet to formally open by the time Broadway went dark and March. The Tony Awards among countless events on the entertainment industry calendar that was disrupted by the onset of the pandemic in the United. States now why am I talking about this on the television podcast for two reasons one The broadcast rights to the Tony Awards right now are owned by CBS and CBS Viacom has been really pushing trying to get all access in the mix to be a bigger player on the stage in fact, a couple of shows ago. At a story about how they have a plan to really try to make that a big international platform. We'll see how they do with that 'cause nets pretty much has a chokehold on that but anyway. This this is something that I think is GonNa go on CBS all access rather than going on regular broadcast television whenever it goes on why? Because I think that's where they would eventually like it to be, and because it's going to be such a, it's such a condensed showing such A. Abbreviated Tony Awards that if it doesn't work out, they can always bring it back on broadcast. It's not this is the one you're going to experiment with doing something like that. This would be the one to do it with also. And I mentioned this on the show Beckmann, Broadway went dark, and I just want to play at the C. to bring it up. Again, Broadway needs to team or some of these theaters I just think Broadway in general team with a streaming service because Broadway shows just like movie theaters in their old paradigm or no longer going to exist I. Think. I think going to a Broadway show. It was going to be an it was already an exclusive situation. It's going to be extremely exclusive. Now, because Y- I love any view have been New York to a Broadway show. It's tight. Think of old movie theaters will all those Broadway. Theaters are old movie theaters. Well, they're staged. They're saying they're that that time. They were seats that are literally they share armrest they are really tiny. No one's going to sit like that anymore, and if they space them out, the tickets are going to be extremely expensive. And if it's the right show. I think they can possibly make give it about money I know the Broadway experience something that is very much romanticized and a Lotta people like. Talking about money, they can make star wars money if it's a show like wicked or Hamilton, or you know any of these big name shows that people traveled to New York for if they put it on a streaming service or a video on demand service and open it up worldwide. They're gonNA start approaching the hundreds of millions two billion dollar level just like star wars or just like some of these others plus they have multiple show. So I just think it's a better business model if they go to streaming. That's for me. Outta Broadway here is Southern. Charm is not so charming news. Spokesperson for Bravo. They said the four episodes of southern charm. which is a show that I've not watched ever. In fact, I would barely aware of its existence but it's on Bravo it were taken down from the channels video on demand services because of racially charged moments within them. Three of them have been put back up on Bravo TV dot com into the Bravo APP, and they will soon return to video on demand. Reloading something on the cable and satellite on-demand services takes longer though. The fourth episode will also return, but with the scene set at at a plantation removed from it. tiktok user at Taco. Shame I notice the missing episodes of the Bravo. DOCU SOAP as they're calling it, which premiered in twenty fourteen and follows the lives of socialites in Charleston South Carolina. On August eleventh and three part Tiktok series see pointed out that an episode of southern charm season one episode two was missing from Bravo's on demand services. She had wanted to rewatch the episode and discovered it wasn't there in it former cast member. Thomas. Ravenhill has launched with his father ex Congressman Arthur Avenue Junior. In the scene which Tiktok user apparently played in part of her series, Arthur tells Thomas he likes to get. He'd like to get rid of the five dollar bill because Abraham Lincoln pictured on them smirking Riley at the camera. This was aired primetime on Bravo. This is what the talk of shame set. The following day TACO shame discovered that more southern charm episodes are missing from Bravo's video on demand services episode one from season three episode one from season four in episode eight from season for. Pravo spokesperson confirmed that the episodes had been taken down as part of a review. The network is doing to flag potentially offensive content. The black lives matter protest that arose earlier in June. Led to a cultural reckoning that has caused media companies to examine a practices that were once standard. In the wake of this recon Textual Ization, in June Bravo fired vanderbilt rules, original cast members, doc- Schroeder and Kristen doubt. No. We talked about that on this podcast along with two other cast members. Who remain nameless because I don't care Bravo also fired below deck. Mediterranean I didn't even know that that's another shouted. Below deck. Colon Mediterranean. If you've heard of that show and you want to tell me what it is, please email me podcast our edgy mail dot com I would love to know and I will read it on the air. Anyway, this cast member on this show that I didn't even know existed was fired and these unnamed anyway fired for genetic and racist Instagram Post. It's not the first time Bravo's taken down episode because it's offensive he transphobic first season episode of the deck was not only taken down from with video on demand services. But it's disappeared from Amazon itunes as well. Bravo spokesperson said, many shows have been under recent review, but these southern charm episodes are the only one so far that have been taken down for further examination though three of the episodes redeem to be okay. Season Three episode one of the show will be edited as a result. And a scene when southern charm star Catherine Dennis gives a tour of her family's plantation to an occasional guest star k coop array will be excised. It was this scene in which two of them casually discussed the slave cemetery on the property. That talk. Oh shame highlighted in her tiktok. Talk of shame his like investigative reporter for Bravo. Now, here's a question that talk of shame ask her tick tock at about why they took these particular episode down. Quote isn't the casual reference to you living on a plantation on top of a slave cemetery before you sit down to drink mint. juleps with your friend is that the reason or is it that every plantation? Really just a giant slave cemetery end quote? Well, when the episode returns the Bravo's video on demand channel, that scene will be gone. Well, it's good to know that television executives like the ones that Bravo were deciding to go through some of their old content and maybe clean it up a bit how ever and those of you who listen to me know that I am a black American descendant of slaves. In this country. So I think I can speak experience on this. Do I find this. Offensive yes. But I will say this I thought that was part of the the the point of reality television I don't really watch it so I don't know. But you know I thought the reality part of it was the fact that these are some people who do some pretty offensive things. Now Bravo doesn't want to be in the business of doing that then get out of reality television. you know the it didn't sound like these people were using epithets or something like that. But the fact that these people live on the plantation that's real and the fact that people have weddings, plantations that's real. So the take it out of the episode doesn't eliminate it from life I. Think people need to see that stuff that's what I'm saying but I don't. That's why I'm not a television executive. However I think there's value in seeing that some of these folks. Do have some. Thinking that. Is offended it is offensive to some folks and especially the comment I thought the comment was worse about the guy who was smoking about Lincoln. Being on the five. Dollar Bill. Than the fact that. They're. Sitting there on a plantation where slaves were buried because that place is always going to be there. and. They're going to have that land. That's not going to change that history isn't going to change. So I think exposing people that history is, of value. No matter how much we may not WanNa look at it I wish people would look at it for so that when people talk about the repercussions of that, if not like it's something we're making up that's all I'm saying we want to get to political but I get upset when they want to strip away the value on in a in a John Rao television that this person in my critique. Think there's very little value to. So, so I mean I think they're one of the valuable things and that is that we got to see slum of southern life from that particular perspective and how they interact with each other from that particular perspective. Then you can judge for yourself. And if the show offend you don't watch it. Maybe. Then Bravo could get with the program start putting together some prestige shows, but that's asking too much short. All. Right. So That's my rant on Bravo and something charm and I've said about every show that I talked about in this on this program. I'm not telling you not to watch it though I'm the selling my opinion about it. You might like reality television and. You're not alone if you do. My opinion of your first time listeners is this hour will highly recommend the show for you to watch, but I will not disrupt amended show for you to watch I'll just tell you my opinion of it. But if I don't like it, I think that's my obligation to do so but I never we'll tell you not to watch it because as I've said before there are people who are employed putting that show together and they're doing the best they can putting that show together and they think they're doing a good job and for those people who are fans of that show they are in agreement I just am not. Next. We're GONNA talk about somebody else who gets judged rather harshly. And that's my man Ben Affleck. He might be putting on the Cape in the cow again. Believe it or not, and we'll talk about that when we get back. So go get some refreshments do whatever you do during the break. We're pay some bills. Thanks again for listening. Be Right back. Plantation. Really trying to go back. All right we're back. In a surprising turn of events. Ben Affleck he's GonNa. Wear The Cape and a cal again. Yeah after making a very public split with the character, athlete will reprise his role as Bruce Wayne. And Batman in the upcoming the flash movie. Filmmaker Andy Machete. Who Right now is that the helmet the flash I imagine my changed hands, a couple of times he revealed that yesterday. It the twenty, twenty, two film. See. How much time we have before that happens a lot can happen between now and then the twenty twenty two film stars, Ezra, Miller bad choice in my opinion as Barry, Allen the flash who last appeared opposite. In. Twenty. Seventeen. Justice League. He's A, here's a quote. He's a very substantial part of the emotional impact of the movie interaction and relationship between Berry and athletes Wayne. We're bringing emotional level that we haven't seen before. Machete said in his article that. Was in Vanity? Fair it was written by Anthony Brazilian by the way and I hope I'm pronouncing your name correctly Mr Bresnik president can't believe how he pronounces his name nothing that a reporter. And Lucia continued. Its berries movie it's Berry Story. But their characters are more related than we think they both lost their mothers to murder. That is like. A running motif in superhero mythology. But anyway. It did happen Berry Allen Antidote happening Bruce Wayne. It's one of the emotional vessels of the movie. That's where the act like Batman kicks in and quote. The thing about the motifs But the anyway he says, you know this relationship between Jerry. Allen and Bruce Wayne is what is going to be so profound in this movie I hope it's a little better than the connection between Clark Kent and Bruce. Wayne. That they're both their mothers renamed Martha Hope. It's deeper than that. Affleck at one point was set to write direct and star in the Batman. It's the upcoming DC movie The now stars Robert Pattison as the Cape Crusader. He's stepped back following. Justice League in the pressures that put on his personal life, here's a quote. I somebody the Batman Script Aflac told The New York Times last year. And they said, I, think the script is good. I also think you'll drink yourself to death if we go through what you went just went through again. And you know for those you don't know. An athletic infamously had some. Problems with alcohol. After, justice ously. Athletes Batman is not the only dark knight set for the film Michael Keaton. Who played the role in Tim Burton's Batman and nineteen, eighty, nine and in Batman returns in one, thousand, nine, hundred two is also back from the movie which will involve. Travel between two universes. So I guess Michael Keaton might be the older version of Bruce Wayne. Because it would make sense. I think one of the problems of the DC universe one of the challenges that the DC UNIVERSE HAS I won't call it a problem -sarily but it's different than the Marvel DC Gama Batman guy although I like a respect way the marvel universe was put together because I think it's tighter it's just better crafted. The DC universe and the comics and in the movies to spread out. They had the problem in the comics crisis on infinite earths and they're doing it again in the movies we got four jokers and now you're gonNA. Have all these batmans understand you're doing a time jump thing with the flash point thing I understand that But? I just don't think it's very good for the brand and for the audience. This one might be cool I. Don't know. I think you need a better. Last keep that together Ezra. Miller is, at least as he was portrayed in Batman v Superman while you've barely in that and in the Justice League is just too spastic. The way that characters is portrayed Assam Barry Allen. As like Ezra Miller. So I don't I don't get it but. Anyway. That's what's happening. With. The Batman Universe. I told you all I will bring you Batman News as a comes. That's the latest on the Batman seen. Let's see what happens like I said we got a lot of time before that one hits the big or little screen here is some nick cannon makes good with the Canon News. COM CBS has opened the door to working with Nick. Cannon again. More than a month after the company severed ties with them over antisemitic comments. He made on his podcast. Speaking at a town hall with employees, Monday Chris McCarthy President of entertainment and youth brands at Viacom. CBS praised work the Canon claim to have done to make amends for his comments to gain a better understanding of why they were offensive. McCarthy described himself as hopeful that the company and cannon would find a way to rebuild their partnership. If I calm CBS source told variety that mccarthian cannon have spoken in recent weeks but added there's no plan right now for cannon to work with the company. Again, a spokesperson for the company declined to comment here's a quote. I struggle with the fact that nick a longtime partner and friend of ours is on this journey and we're not part of that journey. McCarthy said in response to a question about cannon. He added later talking about the media companies ability to connect storytelling. Social issues. Quote I'm hopeful we will find a way to bring these two things together, and hopefully we'll have the opportunity to do that again with nick end quote. On the June thirtieth episode of his podcast cannons class cannon asserted that black people at the true Hebrews and made reference to antisemitic conspiracy theories, regarding Zionists and the Rothschild family. Quote it's never hate speech and it can't be anti Semitic or we are the Semitic people cannon said. When we are same people who they wanna be that's our birthright. We are the true. Hebrews. End quote the comments triggered public outrage and a decision by Viacom CBS the publicly sever Taj of Canon host and creator of the longtime MTV comedy show while out. And longtime creative partner of the company's Nickelodeon kids programming unit. Cannons initial remarks after being fired by CBS Viacom were combative. Demanding an apology from the company and full ownership of wild and out and insisting I will not be a quote I won't be bullied silenced or continuously oppressed by any organization group or corporation. Cannon later issued a statement offering quote my deepest and most sincere apologies to my Jewish sisters and brothers for the hurtful and divisive words that came out of my mouth. Concurrent to an announcement by Fox that cannon would remain as host of the mass singer. Canon. has since been publicly engaging the Jewish community hosting rabbi Abraham Cooper of the Simon Wiesenthal Center on his podcast in appearing in an hour long video interview hosted by the American Jewish Committee and conducted by Rabbi Gnome Moran's. Who wrote in a column for the Jewish Post that Canon quote understands why his for lately and Antisemitic? Has Begun. The process of the undoing the damage is caused quote. McCarthy on Monday said, he wished that he had at the time of candidates. Comments already developed the entertainment. And Youth Groups recently unveiled Culture Code. And set of guidelines related to inclusion and diversity. Quote it's a shame that it took an incident like this for us to take a step back and have a clear process in place to address issues like this McCarthy said and quote. Well I. Y, y this on the podcast. Again, I don't like bringing up bad things and I'm certainly not I am not a cat cancel culture type of person I believe in British for people who sincerely are. Regretful, remorseful apologetic about what they do. I just I bring it up because nick is about to resurrect again. He is he is. The is the JC of television. He's about to resurrect career again. then. I'm somebody who? Famously. I admitted on this show I've counted the cannon out all the time because he's not my cup of tea stuffy does is not the entertainment that I necessarily like And so when the mass singer when I saw a promo for the mass singer and it was coming out, I said band this has gotta. Be. Garbage. Massing or was the number three I believe rated show all of last year on television. And I'm not saying necessarily that ratings equate equal quality. A lot of times they do not. You know ask the makers of masterpiece theatre but. It's still very important to generate money for television and there is some you know I have. Nick Cannon. His projects generate dollars. Even though I don't understand it. I. Don't understand the criticism that I had for nick cannon were renewed things and it really had very little to do. I didn't like what he said. Let me get that clear. It was blatantly anti Semitic I don't agree with it and totally wrong. The is judgment. That's all I just he had professor Griff from public enemy on his podcast that was the podcast where these comments were made. Now. I don't know if they came from his statements afterward and from a reception that he's received from the Jewish community, I have to believe that. He has made it clear that he had no idea what he was talking about I think he was. Fed into some of these things that professor griff has. Famously said, it got him kicked out of the group public enemy for saying back in the late eighties or early nineties one of the two. But in order for you to get kicked out of public enemy, you got a net I love public enemy. That you have to, I mean flava Flav hasn't been kicked out of public enemy. All right. And so. You know if you're going to have this on your show. And you want to apparently nick wanted to seem like he was on the same page is he was well, that's what you're going to have that's going to happen. If you have somebody who's racists on your show. If you have somebody who's antisemitic on your show, you have a misogynist I on your show and you want a bond with them on the show. Well, guess what? You're about to get at the perfect mix for trouble and that's what he did. And that's what happened. And looks like he is doing what he's to do to get out of it. And I guess he should. He should thank his lucky stars because nowadays in twenty twenty. In this and I hate using these things I just used it in this cancel culture that we find ourselves in its that's a it's a monumental task to crawl up out of that hole and it looks like he's going to do it. So. I'll tell you this for those you listen to podcasts or least listen to my podcast shows. If you ever hear me say if it's possible to buy stock. In a broadcast company or anything. That's connected to Canada. I would look at it I as a possible investment but if you ever hear this guy say. This undertaking that Nick Cannon's about to have with this company whether it be Nickelodeon or NBC universal or anybody. I say it's not gonNA work. Go Buy that stock because I guarantee I'm one hundred percent wrong with about it all the time. All the time. He's about to have a talk show. I've gone on this podcast saying that things flop. We're ever that thing goes on if you guys are looking for some sort of entertainment broadcast media company to invest in. Invest in that one because I'm sure I'm wrong. Next. We're going to talk about somebody who I have. I really have any opinion about him. I'm just very impressed that this guy has been able to maintain a career. I did was critical of his show. He did have a show those on Netflix canceled. But it should have gotten canceled a bad show. But rupaul. This Guy He just keeps coming he keeps on coming with the heads. And he is balling out of control. Once again, you re upped on all the shows and I'm GonNa talk about that. Along. 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Whatever it may be visit us at www dot gs MC podcast, Dot com follow us on facebook and twitter download us on itunes soundcloud and Google play. All right at the moment Kaelin, I'll tell you. What I mean Paul. Calls on the come up y'all it's a lucky thirteen for Paul's drag race. VH1 is renewed the Emmy Winning Reality Competition Series for the thirteenth season the network announced. Thursday. Paul's drag race allstars was also renewed for six season and the unstructured after show on. Tucked. which depicts the backstage conversations between contestants during judges deliberations was renewed for the flagship series in all stars. Here's a quote. Drag Queens have been on the front lines of many challenging times in our history said host and executive producer Rupaul in a statement. Paul's drag race thirteen all star six and new seasons of untucked will offer more opportunities for our Queens derisively occasion and spread the love and quote. The renewal comes as no surprise though I'll tell you. Given. That drag race that drag race franchise has arguably never been stronger. Now. I'm one. oftentimes, you hear me on this show. I'm one who hasn't watched drag race. And I probably should since it's been on for so long maybe I'll check out this season season twelve. Paul's drag race was the highest rated season in the show's history. And it was recently nominated for the best reality competition series ratings for all stars was also up nine percent from the previous season. So it is not slowing up y'all. Now. Since the season twelve premier in February there hasn't been a week without drag race content on vh one that. That's awesome. Including all stars group. Paul secret celebrity, drag race, and the ongoing debut of Canada's race. which is first airing episodes on the crave network in Canada before. Delayed debuts on vh one. The Canadian spinoff is one of several international versions of drag race already running Rupaul is worldwide. There's RU Paul's drag race UK. or in the worked, there is drag race Holland. We will premiere in. The Netherlands on RT L. Netherlands video in the US on while present plus the streaming service drag race production company world of wonder. On August, twenty first drag race franchise. We'll step out of the competition format for Ru Paul's Race Vegas review a limited docu series. Let me repeat what is being called limited docu series Crown chronicling chronicling the production of the drag race live show at the Flamingo Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas which had to cut shortage on Doodoo Kobe nineteen well. rupaul there's somebody who I've never underestimated and he continually surprises me although I will say that series. Aj in the Queen which I reviewed. Actually, I reported when it got cancelled from that's and you can't win them all. So I'm not throwing stones at Rupaul thought that it was a show that I understood why got cancelled because it was pretty formulaic and it was it was unnecessary. I'm glad to see that all these other interational drag race even though to show I haven't watched are thriving because. You know I think the guys talented anybody who can market themselves as a personality is talented. It's a talent you want to admire not. It's a talent. Okay. Just like Kim Kardashian who I do not like however I can't. Props on self promotion. She is the queen of that tees a master of that whole her whole family. All right here is the breaking comedy Central News. tosh point zero will end its run on comedy central after its upcoming twelfth season. The cancellations come despite the fact that comedy central picked up the show for four more seasons back in January. Be. Repeat that. Comedy, central picked up the show for four more seasons back in January but it's been canceled series host Daniel, tosh signed an overall deal with the network at that time, but it is unclear if he will remain under that deal now that the show is ending. Season twelve point Oh is set to debut on September fifteenth at ten. P. M. Eastern time. and will consist of ten episodes as usual. According to an individual with knowledge of the situation that's a source. Viacom CBS. is working with Tasha and his team to shop the series to other outlets. Here's a quote. I look forward to doing an animated reboot of my show on MTV in twenty five years toss sadness minute and quote. The series features tosh commenting on social media in internet trends and features popular like like. Quote Unquote Web Redemption. and. The. So web not profile which gives subjects of embarrassing viral videos a chance to redeem themselves. It first began airing on comedy central in two thousand nine. And we'll have run for over two hundred and fifty episodes upon completion. Task is also one of the executive producers on the show, which nowadays is par for the course for stars who successful show to also be an AP. As I've always said on this show if you're not an executive producer by at least season three, you're not a player. Although, I must say that appears that Daniel Tosh is very involved in this show's content. So he it's very appropriate that he is an executive producer I. Don't think he's executive producer in name only. News of the shows ending comes just one day after it was announced that drunk history was ending its run on comedy central after six seasons. With that show having been renewed for a seventh season last year. The end of both shows marks the end of an era at the cable network as it shifts its focus from live action scripted shows favor of adult animation like network cornerstone. South Park. The only remaining scripted live action shows on comedy central is Aquafina 's is north from Queens. And I guarantee you that that show was only 'cause Aquafina is there what this is what one of the the the the record Sion's of what's this pandemic? The only show is that we're able to stay pretty much. Up and running, we're animated ships. Like the Simpsons Family Guy, etc. Why? Because you don't need to be at the set to do those Either to set the record voices, which you can do remotely, and then obviously the artist can work pretty much socially distanced. So you so those things kept up and running while the other shows the live action shows the scripted shows they all had to shut down. So a lot of these networks that have high rated. Animated shows like comedy central looked are looking at this and saying, we can just run all animation. We don't need to have a live action show or at least the core of our programming doesn't need to be live-action Aquafina they're not going to shut that down because alcohol CENA's hot. Vena represents a demographic that they definitely want to target and good. So I mean I'm not taking away from her talent. Her show is probably pretty good because she's pretty talented. So while that one's GonNa stay relatively new all of these other long running shows with CBS. Viacom has been doing is selling off their. Stable of shows even star trek everything is going and they're just GONNA do these. On some of their smaller. Boutique I would say more specialized. Channels like comedy central, they're doing more either reality television or animation. The show corporate quote unquote named corporate began airing his third and final season in July. The network also airs the rebooted crank Yankers. I didn't even know that was even salon and the late night series the daily show with Trevor Noah. Last. Week, it was announced that the live action comedy central shows the other two and south side will be moving Hbo Max see what I'm saying. It was recently announced that comedy central was rebooting enemy shows like beavis and butthead Ren and stimpy show and the Doria. SPINOFF? Jodi. So there. You have it. Get ready to, watch a bunch of cartoons fans. Because that's what's going to be coming up and watch that the DC universe especially probably more than marvel it's going to really be up there animation especially on Hbo Max. Watch, for that. Here is some breaking television city news. MISSTATEMENT, Hackman capital partners stated that three individuals have been sent home after testing positive for Kobe nineteen. Those who are in close contact with them were also self quarantined the company said quote. The health and safety of the individuals who work in television city studios is paramount. The company said we are complying with all requirements and will continue to evolve our protocols to ensure that our operations are proceeding in the safest and most sponsor manner possible during this challenging period end quote. Now, the bold and the beautiful. Which is filmed. In Hollywood. Restarted production there in mid June shortly after the country allowed TV and film production to resume production was briefly halted on this show that same month after a number of false positives according to Bell Phillip Television The show's production company so They had to stop. But it was. The young and the restless also returned to production there and the late late show. James Corden resumed shooting there on August tenth after several months of at home production. Sources said, the bow shows were not affected by the outbreak. Film and TV. Productions are supposed to hear district guidelines that limit the number of people who can be on set and mandate testing an predictive gear. Now Tuesday. The county, which is la. County amended those guidelines to mandate that Craft Service dining beheld outdoors and to recommend not require that any audience segments be taped. County also required that hired audience members sit six feet apart. Demanded orders also banned any rehearsals that are not tied to particular production. The reasons for the new rules. Rennell. Explain. But I'll explain it for you. They don't want people to get sick. So. Anyway I, I got part of this from a an article that was in the Hollywood reporter. So being an ex reporter myself, I know you have to explain these things but Or, at least. Gave, let the people the readers know about information you were not given so they didn't give reasons form but I'll tell you the reasons because I'm not working for the Hollywood reporter. WESTBROOK INC and TV production company. Founded by Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith reported significant covert outbreak two weeks ago in Calabasas the outbreak initially reported as infecting ten people. was later cut to nine people halted the production of an unspecified project. Could it be the principal? Maybe. Workplaces in Los Angeles County. Are. Required to report outbreaks of three or more individuals to public health officials. Now. CBS used to own that studio anybody of a certain generation that remembers shows like the price is right and all those game shows used to come on it in the morning when we were home from school sick from school but always say they were found that television city in Hollywood. Those are all CBS shows anyway. CBS sold that Studio Hackman Capital in twenty eighteen and Hackman capital leases it to people like will and Jada Pinkett Smith so That's kind of like an update on what's going on out there in La with or at least in television city with some of the Cova things there was a while on this podcast. There was a lot of it's Kinda dying down. And everything everybody's trying to come back. But what we're seeing more often than not these adjustments like in the in the previous report where people are changing their programming or networks are changing their programming. To animation or two UNSCRIPTED, which is I e reality. Television. Next. We're GONNA be talking about. A show that fifty cents or fifty cent and TI putting together for WHO CBS all. Access. CBS All access is going to be a player. or The all like it or not I give it to them. They keep on swinging and putting stuff together. So we'll be back with that. Go take a break or whatever it is due in these breaks we're GONNA play some ads very good at you should listen to them and I'll be back after this. Thanks for listening. I know it's sad. All access. Now that. Streamer has been in the news on this podcast for quite a few weeks. Are, making moves it they are developing a series with tip. Ti Harris he's attached to star. Yes. The Atlanta Rapper is attached to star with Curtis Fifty. Cent Jackson. On board as an executive producer although I imagine fit he's GonNa show up like he didn't power. For this new show, the project is titled Twenty. Four. Seven. They didn't have to think twenty, four, seven, they come up with that one. It is based on the book notorious, cop. The inside story of the two PAC biggie and jam master Jay Investigations from the NYPD first hip hop cop. By Parker and met. Dale. CBS All access declined to comment on the project when asked by variety. And the Hollywood reporter. Dallas Jackson is attached to be a writer and executive producer on the project. He's going to executive produce under his G unit film and Television Banner. Harris well, you know he's got to be an EP as well, and he has a production company because he wouldn't be a real player if he didn't, it's called Grand Hustle Entertainment. Brian. Share and Tom Sullivan will also executive produce CBS television. Studios. And lionsgate television will produce. In, addition to his music career. Ti. He's been inactive. He's been active as an actor for several years. As feature credits include ant man. You he did a little comedic turn ant man I was surprised to see did a really good job I thought. And he was on Dolemite is my name the Eddie Murphy. Film, which was also very good ti at a very small role in that but I thought the movie was very good. He was also in American gangster would denzel. Who is I? Think you know he in my lifetime not all time in my lifetime he is on my mountain rushmore actors I think he's like the by Paul Newman personally, and he held his own scenes with Denzel and if you cannot act next to Denzel authorities. Denzel. He's go. On the TV side Ti has been on shows genius. which I believe he's going to be in the aretha Franklin genius which has not aired yet the brakes and house of lies. Fifty cents previously, executive produced power, which I mentioned earlier it ended its run earlier this year after six seasons didn't watch power lot of my friends did. Many of them were kind of stuck on like the crack those being sold by ghosts on the show. But. You know it's it was good tv I mean as far as entertainments concerned, you know obviously power wasn't. Pulling. Down a bunch of awards. That's not unusual for productions with that many black people involved unfortunately at this point in Hollywood. For Power spinoffs had been ordered by network that tells you about the power of power. POWERBOOK TO GHOST is set the launch in September. Fifty cents will executive produce all of the Spin Offs. Fifty is a good businessman. If nothing else he will also executive produce the ABC drama for life. Well, he is the executive producer firm for life. which was recently renewed for a second season I have not watched for life. Can't watch everything like I say on the show before I mean and and have a life and feed your favorite. He's Got, it's impossible to do that. Unless I pay credit if critic than maybe are good. But for life I was the actor whose name escapes me right now the British actor who is You. Know he's been he was on Marcello. He was very good. All of Marcello BBC. Series by the way. Nicholas Pec is his name I just took a break to look it up on grow wikipedia and I wanted to mention his name because he's a very fine actor I've seen them in a lot of BBC productions. He was also in the series was on stars I believe counterpart J. K. Simmons did another turn in. TV. It did not get renewed not because I think at least for me. I don't think it got cancelled because of the bad series I think unfortunately, there is just too much television out there to watch and it got caught in one of those cycles where it just was not. It was on during the same time game of thrones. Last season I think westworld was just ending its first season. There was just all too much television to watch for counterpart to really getting audience. But. It was well made and he was on that. He was also Marcello. He's good. He's a good actor I was taken aback for life because once again, and this is my pet peeve. Once again, this was a British actor. Who was taking a role that I was better suited for an American black actor that's all now I know that sounds completely. Petty Stupid. especially coming from a black person and it is there. Is. However. Any I'm sure he's fine on the show. But. I just whenever I see that I'm just like why we're this guy come from I mean. Until I start seeing a lot of American actors on BBC television. Playing things other than just plain old I'm now granted I understand that Americans can't do British accents as well as Brit can do American accents. That's a fact I just have to live with that fact and that probably answers my question right there however I sometimes. It seems to be especially on television to be rampant now that. If. There is a black lead who is a relatively fresh face on television. When you see them in an interview, you best believe they're going to British accent. And I'm not quite sure what that is all about. Anyway. That's what's going to happen on a CBS. All accidents you'RE GONNA get. Another fifty cent production. Good for you. Fitting. Here is some more. CBS All access news. Real. CBS has become the latest network to concede that it's fall twenty twenty schedule or not look anything like normal. The network has unveiled premiere dates for September and October none of which include the originals touted in its previous gansel announcement over three months ago, which I went down on this podcast show by show what a waste of time that was You probably thought it was a waste of time while I was doing it. Instead. CBS's thrown the first season of Star Trek discovery and the fourth season of one day at a time into the broadcast mixer for the first time. That's a big statement. CBS. Is GonNa Take Star Trek discovery off of all access and put it on its broadcast. Television. That's why I'm wondering what is Stevie CBS all access doing I don't understand what they're doing. Although it said the first season of. Star Trek Discovery. So maybe they're trying to get people hooked name, go get CBS all access that's what they're doing. In addition, big brother and Love Island. which began their seasons later, than usual will now be extended further into the fall airing multiple nights a week to help plug the scripted content gap. The network also acquired spectrum original series manhunt, deadly games, and is set to air on Monday nights after Love Island. This this represents a second broadcast acquisition of of a spectrum show after Fox snagged Elliot's finest and programmed it for this coming fall. We also talked about that on this podcast. CBS Entertainment President Kelly Call. Has Previously, said that he was hopeful that the original series such as Chuck Laura's comedy be positive and the equalizer reboot with Queen Latifah with start shooting this summer I know I wanted that to happen. But. that. Most of all of the networks new and returning shows would be ready at some point this show however, this latest announcement indicate the CBS. is now looking later in the year, which is a disappointment because this guy wanted to see Queen Latifah out there kicking some ass says the equalizer we're going to have to wait to see that here's a quote. This is hardly a traditional fall season, but we prepared with strong slate of original content while our regular scripted series begin production. So call. He continues based on a current timeline. We hope to start rolling out our previously announced Foale series as they become available in November and quote. Fox in the CW had already announced Aquisition unscripted and animation heavy scheduled for the fall wall, NBC ABC are still counting on the return of their biggest scripted franchises. Whether they are eventual fall schedule look remotely similar to their plan one remains to be seen. While the first time that an entire season of star trek discovery has aired on broadcast CBS did air the first couple of episodes of the show back in twenty seventeen to get viewers excited for CBS all access debut I did watch the first. Star Trek. Discovery on CBS. which was interesting. I didn't get all access. It wasn't enough to Hook me but I'm sure it did for some others and I would imagine now that I just thought it out on air in real time. That's why they're doing this because they're trying to get more people on all access. So they can be there to watch twenty, four, seven starring Ti when it gets on the air. As, for one day time, this continues the shows wild ride, which is taking it from streaming on Netflix? X., to cable, which was on pop TV, and now to broadcast CBS the scheduling of one day at a time season four in fact, comes as part of the original pop pickup deal from June last year, the series is scheduled to hit broadcast following its run on pop. 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Hr: 2 Do you like the New Rule in Baseball?

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Hr: 2 Do you like the New Rule in Baseball?

"I'm a literal Brownie I. Don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing but I will take the the title for myself I. Am Jubran Mason Ireland Seven, ten espn it is time for the scoop. And John the Great Tom Seaver passed away yesterday at the age of seventy five. He's just a little bit before my time. Do remember him getting traded to the reds but that's about it and I don't remember much of his career. Who is the greatest pitcher that you have seen in your lifetime in your lifetime? Easy Nolan Ryan. When Nolan Ryan was at the peak of his powers, you would go to the Angel Games in think that he was gonNA throw a no hitter. Yup. Every time he pitched and statistics aren't that dominant I think the most dominant pitcher I've ever seen as Roger Clements maybe Randy Johnson but Nolan Ryan had this star quality about him that anytime you went to a game you would actually pay attention when the other team got his first hit because you knew he threw so hard that he threw one hundred miles an hour you could hear the capture Smith pop from anywhere in the stadium to me Nolan Ryan was my favorite pitcher of all time. I Love Nolan Ryan but I think the greatest pitcher of all time is Greg. Maddux. It's funny last night, Orel Hershiser on the dodger game, which by the way was a spectacular dodger game that I've got a question about it coming up next. He said that. Mathematics could say something like this this guy is going to ground out to shortstop. Pitch. And he would set him up and sure enough he would get that guy to ground out to shortstop. On the third pitch he was just he was a professor when it came to pitching and no one Ryan was always a great thrower, right? Even into his forties he was a great thrower through a No hitter when he is forty-six but I think matic's was a a pitcher even when his skills were eroding, he still knew how to get out. So I'm GonNa say Greg Maddux, Lindsey what about you your big baseball fan. I'm going to go with. Come. Back to me, John. Hoary he's not listening to the. It seems. It depends kind of when you grew up to, of course, watch games in the sixties would say sandy cove extra Bob Gibson. People that watch games in the seventies might say Steve Carlton who was like Super Dominant in the seventies games in the eighties you'd probably say clemens. Would think clemens, our Pedro Martinez Your Pay Pedro. Reyes used Pedro because he was just I mean, he he tortured all the other teams in the American league including the Indians. Was He was unhittable. Sheridan yeah. All right. Here's my question about last night Yup. Last night at Dodger Stadium. diamondbacks starting pitcher Zach gallion was fantastic. He was unbelievable final line on gallion. He pitched seven innings. He allowed one hit no runs only two walks and seven strikeouts. Yeah. He was spectacular. Throw Ninety seven pitchers. So they took him out they hit galleon allowed was on the first pitch of the game it was a single mookie Betts. So he was basically throwing a no-hitter except for that one pitch. If that's doesn't single on the first pitch. So gaillon is actually throwing a no-hitter Zach Alan Serrano had to right the d-box leave him in. Ninety, seven pitches like you just said, you just mentioned Tom Seaver. Take Tom seaver out if he was in the seventh inning and allowed no hits, Right One hit a single Tibet's, and by the way when they took out the dodgers came back and win the game met yesterday didn't Bets hit a home run to tie it. Each team scored to run in the tenth and then the dodgers won it in the bottom of the tenth it it seemed To. John here's here's my here's my take on this. He's twenty four years old. He's the future of the Arizona diamondbacks. If I've got a pitch count on them, I've got a pitch count on him. I would have pulled him at that point anyway. I think that's the new way of the World Tom Seaver never had a pitch count. And Either Ryan those guys just if it was their turn to pitch, they stayed in the game by the way on a related note, the era leader in baseball right now is six one with a one point four, seventy are a you know who it is Shane beaver no Lindsey it is. nope. This surprises me. It's Yu Darvish. I knew he was going to bounce back this year. I knew a six in one with a one point four, seventy. Hey Darvish, where was that in game seven against the Astros? Yeah. The funny thing is last year you darvish had a terrible first-half like seventy are a for staff right and then if you look at just a second half numbers, he discovered what he used to have. He had a tremendous second half and so he's just carrying afford. While it is the other team isn't paying and trash cans. Let you know what's coming still Yu. Darvish. Part of one of the worst nights of my life. All right. The Boston Celtics hold the too old to Toronto after beating the raptors Tuesday night in eastern conference semifinals. They got a game later on tonight Celtics having a great year despite the loss of Kyrie Irving gone to Brooklyn and Boston has Kemba Walker now in his place at point guard. John are the Celtics abetter team with Kimba instead of Kyrie, and what does that say about Kyrie? Well wherever Kyrie's been it always ends badly. Even ended badly in. CLEVELAND. When he kind of forces way out and then he went to Boston and it ended badly. I, actually think they are a better team I think kemp is a better fit I think that means more freedom for guys like Jayson, tatum and Jalen Brown and Hey, don't look now but the Celtics could be going to the finals and him very well how would it be if it was Lakers Celtics And in a year that that everyone hates twenty twenty and the Lakers could catch the Celtics. You know the Lakers have sixteen. A world championships, the celtics have seventeen. If the Lakers could beat the Celtics in the bubble, it would almost save twenty twenty, which is already the worst year. In American history. If the Lakers beat the Celtics, they'll save it. So I knew imagine I'm rooting for the Celtics if their last eight wins or against the clippers and the Celtics hallowed. Main Sese. Yeah. To you all right ESPN. NFL Analyst Day in Rossini appeared on get up last week and had a very unpopular take. She thinks Tom Brady Rob Gronkowski Leonard Fournette and the Tampa Bay buccaneers won't make the playoffs this year she pointed out the saints of Three. Straight Division titles, the Falcons finished six and to to end last season. She also pointed out that the QB's who play in Bruce Arians system get hit a lot selling brady hasn't faced much recently she's being killed on social media. But do you think she's right? Do you think there's a chance Tampa Bay misses the playoffs this year one, hundred, percent a chance. Sometimes we get suckered in by these all star teams these let's just sign everybody in, throw them together and see how it mixes. Really sad and Kobe into white powder saul. Right I mean I know they just signed Leonard for Ned and that's great. But they're just collecting talent which which can work. But I think that could be a nine and seventeen and just the cost of missing the playoffs. New. Orleans will win the division I. Don't think Tampa can play with New Orleans. Tampa can be a nine and seven, maybe ten in sixteen. But I think it is possible that they missed the playoffs I think they are oversold. They'll be fun to watch but I think they are oversold. I would sell my stock in the Tampa Bay buccaneers right now sell it to me I'm buying I think there might playoffs for sure good are dancing with the stars is returning on September the fourteenth in the celebrities were announced earlier early yesterday and Good Morning America some of the names include Nelly. Vernon Davis Charles. Oakley, and most importantly Carol Baskin from tiger. King now, there has been debate legitimate debate about whether or not ballroom dancing is a sport and it is being considered potentially as an Olympic sport should ballroom dancing being Olympic sport. Well. Ice Dancing Anisa an Olympic sport, right? Yes it is. You're just taking what they do in ice dancing in moving into a ballroom, right? Yes. Exactly. Yeah. I have no problem with Rick. Fox. told me. It's one of the hardest things he's ever had to do when he made the final four and dancing with the stars. He said it was working out four or five hours a day and it became really difficult and hard I. Yeah. I'm not against it. I'm completely for it. I know that my mom would watch it I know that everybody's mom would watch it. That's the big thing. I don't really care about it like house is dancing was total BS. When I when I was at Olympics, it's it's all rigged and it's it's it's just not an exciting sport to watch ballroom dancing could be really good at attracts older people all those subjective raise a score thing. I can be really fun to debate amongst the the women who watched that thing and the Olympics are supposed to be for everybody if they add snowboarding aerials for younger people why not add ballroom dancing for older women? Sure Going to be hating on ballroom dancing, I wouldn't be any good at it. But why not and go Carol Baskin go care about the women's of all you cats and kitties you win that sucker federal ex husband to the Tigers how can you support this woman? She murdered the guy feeding them to Tigers John don't you believe in second chances? No not. Steal. All right Denver's fourth radio host Darren. McKee is the latest sports radio personality to get himself in hot water over what he says was an inadvertent use of racial slur in a tweet McKee? Who Co host the afternoon show with former Denver broncos player Tyler. Columbus posted a tweet when he was watching the Denver, Nuggets playoff game on Sunday night. But the word nuggets was replaced with the N. word. Oh, Jesus exactly. The same thing that happened to a Hornets announcer in Charlotte the Hornets fired that announcer today. HOW DOES SEEM AUTO CRAIG? That works same mistake same we're now am I right in assuming That your phone auto corrects two words that have already been used in that particular phone right for example, I'm typing texting you guys right now just nuggets I'm writing it again, the the suggestions that come up our numbers nuff. NOG- but because I've never had the N. Word in my phone sure it won't auto complete. That is it is it possible? This is an honest mistake. Okay. Happened twice. So I'm looking at my computer keyboard right now. And is on the bottom you is right next to I. G G. E and then t is right after are right next to our think it is possible that these guys are absolutely they're missed typing this miss todd who it's not autocorrect it's a mistype. Misguidance. And I feel bad for the guy if he had no intent in an ended up in his phone, but like the. A fire did it because he's an NBA announcer and the league sent black you can't. I. Mean I just don't. That word I. I can't imagine that we're ever going out on my phone and I can't I I'd what are you looking at? Are you looking at your computer keyboard keyboard? A Yeah. You're right. All those letters. Next are really close to each other, but there's no way. There's no way. Some sports guy in in Denver is going to tweet out that word. Purposely. Yes, such a weird thing to happen. Now, what happens to him apparently all the all the people he's worked within the past used to work with the different Bronco Player. Alfred Williams who is a black guy and said there's no way. This guy did that on purpose I with for seven years I know him really well so I think he might he might be able to survive it. but it's a weird thing to happen exists the same word twice? Yeah it's terrible. It's terrible. All. Right. The Cincinnati Bengals. Signed running back Joe Mixon into a four year forty, eight, million dollar extension. Is this a good deal Cincinnati. He's been productive now remember. It just goes to show you. It depends where you are and in what stage of your career there is a tape on the Internet of Joe Mixing doing exactly what we're rights did when his girlfriend in that elevator mix in a restaurant and he's having an argument with some girl and he just cold cock ser and it's all on the restaurant security tape. But at the time he was a top rated prospect playing Oklahoma. And he's now did you say four years forty, eight, million, four years eight, twelve months a year he's completely survived it if you're willing to forgive him for that he's actually been pretty productive on the field. I'm not sure I'm the owner that could forgive him for that I think. I would probably let him go to another team. The you know Jim Harbaugh has a has a pretty black and white policy with this. He says, you hit a woman you're done with me that right? Obviously. That is not Mike Brown's policy because he just gave forty eight million dollars here's maze if you base it on his numbers and what he's done on the field he he's a good running back and he's been he's been helping them. You know moved the ball. So, territory. Issues. Aside. It's a bad deal. I would never SI- especially after the Todd Gurley experience, I would never sign running back to a four year contract a contract for that much money making third ranked back Eilly girly got even he got even more. But there's there's no way I'm investing running back I if there are any running backs out there I apologize but running backs have become very replaceable. They've become replaceable and they've also become specialists. You've got a running back to do one thing running back to do another one's a receiver. Once a third down back ones Abell cow you've got all these different kinds of running, but I would not invest for years in a in a running back knowing what I've seen with other teams, specifically the rams and Todd Gurley. That's a good point. And long-term deals Kinda of starting pitchers long-term. Beal's. Live up to the deal the UP. So I. Mean we'll see it. I just don't think mixing is the type of Guy I would build my team around can't trust them. You had to put her in perspective by the way way in the face girly got forty, five, million guaranteed. And Mix and I don't know how much is guaranteed. He's four years forty eight. I don't know what is guaranteed in that deal. But I just not in. I'm not a buyer when it comes to running back if I'm an NFL executive. Van Morrison the singer yeah is performing socially distant concerts amid the coronavirus pandemic. But in a post on his website titled Saved The music, the singer Songwriter declared pseudoscience is to blame for Covid nineteen safety measures. Any urged other artists speak out Morrison said quote it's not economically viable to do socially distanced gigs and quote. Also, added, this is not the answer going for we need to play a full capacity audiences going forward. So two questions here yet let's say they open concerts backup. Is there. Anybody you've said that you'll go to the RAM cowboy game. Ram, cowboy game flop if there is anybody who would go see in concert if there wasn't social distancing, do you think people would show up for any musical act would have to be an outdoor concert right but let's say it is okay it's an outdoor concert. To Hollywood bowl no social distancing Mumford and sons you would. You would say screw the virus I'm going no no, I wouldn't I've seen. Mumford and sons. I don't think there's a contract or an act that could get me to show up in the age of Corona, virus pre vaccine. There's somethings like going to a brand new opening of a stadium so. That is worth a calculated risk, but I can see Mumford and sons the next time they come through and van, Morrison. Brown eyed girl aside. A. Learning. Song. He sings you've heard it before moon dance. Great Album. But I'm not showing up for an outdoor concert with Van Morrison in the of coronavirus. But understand there are people doing the drive in thing how are people doing? It'll be before we attend another live in person concert. Well, it's funny I talked to ANWR moines. Who is the head of epidemiology at UCLA on my culture podcast and she says, she thinks things can become somewhat normal as long as a vaccine comes along by next summer. So we gotta wait till next summer but at least there's some light at the end of the tunnel. Once we start getting vaccinated. So I'm going to guess by the end of next year. By the start of football season next year I think we're going to be in a different world and fans will be back at Games. I. Hope You're right. That'd be great. I John last night during the dodger game re revelation at an absolute revelation. What is it? I will tell you. Next Mason Ireland. Seventeen? ESPN. I seventeen ESPN Mason Ireland Hey, it's like we're just want something. We're hearing the song what is going on? Thank you very much for being out there. Thank you very much for listening last night John After all the wild basketball two games last night both going down to the wire I flip over to dodger game I slipping over to it all night long. They were a pitcher's duel the ended up going to extra innings tied at one. The diamondbacks scored in the top of the tenth then the dodgers in the bottom of the tenth did this Mookie Betts? To Fly Ball to center field sends show back Zapped. Saves. The nineteen. Now. It gets really good. Now, I'm excited right now I'm worked out where tiger to to bottom of the tenth dodgers still rallying here's will smith to unpick. Is doing the dodgers shows. Tonight so what three? there is courtesy spectrum sports net I. Guess It's Sports Net la Joe Davis on the call along with the Orel Hershiser John Made, I've I've come to come to a conclusion Giradi. Yeah. This is going to be surprising to you. I think we should keep the extra innings format. Okay. It's interesting that you say that. Because I don't know how long you watched but I actually wrote this. I just never got to it I wrote this as a possibility for the scoop. Did you hear hershiser talking about this at so weird I'm glad you mentioned this so I say to Juan. I really love this new extra inning format I. Think they should keep it and then two minutes later or Hershiser says I, think this extra inning format is here to stay. I am surprised that I thought I was going to have to talk I, was gonNA, bring this up I thought I was GonNa have to talk you into this no. I hated this I when I brought it up look I keep my baseball scores open all night long so I can see what's going on if I see something to extras I'm going to switch over to that game on MLB I think the extra innings starting with traffic on the basis is really really exciting. Well, her said did Joe Davison. It brings instant energy to the extra inning. Right? He said if you would've told him before he watched it this season or would said, that's a bad idea me too. But he says now that he's seen it, he's all in on it I don't know anybody who doesn't like it. Latest Gentlemen Larry present half to be flexible. May I present Lindsey who does not like it lands? I said, I didn't say I, didn't like it I said that I don't think that they're gonNA keep it next year. There's a whole bunch of reasons why and I don't think the players association would ever agree on it why? Because I think that. First of all the stats and the way that it can skew stats. pitchers that have incentives built into their contracts based on wins right but. Just, just making it unearned run but Kenley Jansen. Got The win last night right. But I'm I'm just saying in that case it worked out for him. But in most cases, it's not gonNA work out it's going to work. It worked out negatively for the other pitcher because basically you're GONNA get wins and saves. Easier than you would if it were if you didn't have the runner on. Talking about true. But I think what you're talking about is a statistical adjustment in terms of how in terms of how the game plays out don't you like it better? Yeah. I never said I did and I just don't think that Mason said he wanted to keep it for next year and I just don't. Keep it. GonNa out taking a step further I think they're gonNA keep it forever. I think it's permanent also I just like the NBA All Star game tried that crazy Wackadoo doodle format at the end where you share but everyone liked it the players hate this. Last night I. Yeah. I don't I don't know fi find look around a little bit because I'm not heard any players talk about hating right a lot of players talk about how they have you. Yeah I think you'd have trouble finding one somebody now. I've definitely heard it before anyone. Might Clovinger. For example, he's that he's been asked about it. He doesn't like it. When I think about the top of my head, well, he's pitching tonight the. Game makes his debut for the PADRES. Right. The reason clovinger probably wouldn't like it is what you read reference to earlier Lindsay the fact that you could get a loss when you really didn't deserve it but I think that's my whole point. Making statistical adjustment there though it doesn't count against your earned-run average well underrun. For now, you have to have a winner and a loser you have to winning pitcher in a losing pitcher. Necessarily have to do that. You could make it a team wrote. Rid of wins and losses for. Pitcher. I think that is that's a reach I. Don't think you're going to get rid of, but if that's the only thing holding it up. The eleven doesn't like it I. I mean my argument would be there still hold saves blown saves. It's just add HAP- wins. It just happens in slightly different way but I get your point Lindsey. I actually. Do. We have a minute here. Yeah I'm curious what baseball fans feel about the new extra inning format 'cause I I was sold as of last night. If you're a dodger fan obviously worked out for us last night do you like it? Do you like the idea of starting every inning? In extra innings with a runner at second base. For me it's unbelievably dramatic because you're basically joining a team in the middle of rally in extra innings runner at second base. So I'm I'm Kinda sold on it and I think they should keep it I think they should keep it. I. Am a huge fan of it. Now, the thing I'm not a fan of is the new playoff system where eight teams from each league make the playoffs in it opens with four three game playoffs that I think is going to survive too I think that will wind up coming back even though I think it's really unfair to the best teams in the League's. Do you think that survived John The new playoff system. No it's a lot of money. Yeah a lot of money I think again, I need to see it play out. But. My. Guess is that it's you could add more games to other series or maybe you cut some type of of middle deal leading sixteen teams into the baseball is a lot. Yeah. Devalue the regular. It's totally especially one hundred and sixty, two game season. It's weird to say this team is going to the dodgers are going to be the one and the floodway who knows we? Maybe we may start watching it and I've said many times I watched some regular season games but I, watch all the playoff games. I'll be curious to see if I watch all the playoff games this year I think they will be really interesting I think they'll be really interesting and dramatic. All right. So do you like the extras format the extra innings format eight, seven, seven, seven, ten ESPN especially from. I consider myself to be a very traditional baseball fan but I'm progressive when it comes to adding things to the game that other people would like to see I want baseball. They have the broadest possible audience and the one way to do that is to add exciting elements. They're not necessarily things that in my bones is a baseball fan and somebody who's been around the game for a long time that feels right and I can't wait now the now that I've got to agree to this, I'm putting the Bulls eye out in right field you hit it you get a free steak. Get. How about? The How about free pinch runners anytime you get a fat slow guy. You get to take them out and put them back in the game later and then he stays in heck. Yeah. No, the pinch-runner only runs. That's all he does. The other guy stationed again the fat guy stands again. No I mean there are there are limits. There are limits eight, seven, seven, seven, ten, ESPN that's eight seven seven, seven, ten, ESPN also coming up Linda's got radio tinder force stay tuned Mason and Ireland seven ESPN. Seventy ESPN. Mason. Ireland. And quick. Reminder. Tomorrow. Tomorrow streaming for the first time as Milan, it is on Disney plus and It's available to premium subscribers. So Tomorrow Mu, Lan, upgrade your Disney plus membership, and be able to see one of the biggest movies of the year. All right. So I've made my case that the new extra innings format is plus for baseball even though it's a gadget, a gimmick I say if it makes it more fun more interesting, more engaging for fans I'm willing to sacrifice. The traditional baseball. Feel that I've always grown up with. Let's go to the phones and see what you guys think. Here's ride in Westwood Hey rod you're on seven yes. Right. Hey. What's Nice. All's good I am I do I do like the rule? You know I'm the old school baseball fan I don't like any changes. I hate the buster Posey's rule I hate the I am second base I don't want people to get hurt but that's just part of the game. You know it's a contact sport. That's why we're getting too soft now but as far as this will I do like it. The only thing I don't like is they can figure out a way to. To I gotTa put you get a lot so easy. Maybe there's a way they can figure out or in the playoffs is just going to stick in the world series like I shared it's GonNa. Be Very controversial. If this happens in the world series and I don't know I just feel like that's going to be virtual. Okay thank you I mean that's a fair point. It's easier to get a loss. Could you're starting with a runner at second base? I. Here's check in Long Beach Check your on seven ten. ESPN. Hey, guy. I liked the rule like like may says it makes them more exciting. I mean. What more can you ask for and for the whole staffing just like in hockey when they go into overtime if the team loses, there's a separate call for overtime losses. So the pitchers could they could have for extra any unlocked is they can look at it different or whatever they want to do that they keep it. Up Keep It. Here's somebody who doesn't like it may not. Surprisingly it's Jeff in Tarzana. Zana I don't think we've heard from Jefferson and Tarzan in a very long time. I was in a motorcycle accident. Done I'm so sorry her them now fine getting a little better. Good. Well. God. Bless you. Guys should be serious. You don't earn it. You didn't earn that if you can't beat somebody in nine innings, why not try to beat them ten and I don't think it's fair. I think it's a stupid rule. Well, the reason they're doing this year jeff trying to jam so many games in that they don't want any like super long games but in the future when you don't have the corona virus to navigate your your points easier to accept I still think it adds excitement what Do you sit through three hour baseball games and you're willing to sit through another hour and a half if you have to well, you know what they can do what they do in hockey how Thai? Yeah, they could yeah to me that really skews the game if you have a tie, no, I understand that. But the point of it is you're not earning something by putting somebody on. Second base. You didn't earn is not like Jack Petersen the triple the lead off the inning. It's like it's like it's a little bit like a two point conversion. Kaput. A position where you really should score you really should score with a runner on second base. and. And three outs to play with. The two point conversion where where all the pressure and all the focus is on each of those at bats just like it is on each of those moments on a two point conversion and sometimes they fail sometimes two point conversions don't work. Sometimes you don't get that runner home to me. It adds element a layer of drama that didn't exist before. Here's how thanks Jeff by the way, Jeff. Good luck to you. I'm sorry to hear about thirty August accident. Here's Al in Long Beach Hey al you're on seven ten ESPN night. Yeah. Well. Jeff read my mind. If you don't earn, you don't belong on their no way and I'll never want it. I'll never accepted I have to that's the way it is the other thing if you really WanNa, make a good change Yup if you hit the batter A guy who was hit he should be on invasive earned it to the game will be a lot more exciting and there won't be no baloney throwing these balls at the guy's head into story. Interesting. So Mace make make a hit by pitch to to base air A to base just any hit by pitch regardless of intent. Yeah. You get to basis instead of one Ooh that it really does change that probably would curtail it. Would absolutely would you can't afford to put a runner at second base? That's that's an interesting idea. That's an interesting idea Thanks Al here's Chris in Riverside Chris. You're on seven ten ESPN. Hey. Guys. How're you doing today? Everything's good man. Good. We've actually taking calls what what happened Mason. I change of heart because our big boss in New York says, take calls. So I had a total change of world. I totally get that I used to do radio too. I worked down at extra long time ago. We work together. John. I know John. You know. I used to do weekend still in stuff and I I worked for the jazz and sons for a while. So that's what I cool call. Anyway. I got a quick way to fix all thing. It sounds like everybody's worried about the staff from the pitchers and such they change. So many things in baseball stats. Wise I. Mean nobody knew what war was five years ago nobody knew what whip was just add to new staff. Losing pitcher extra innings winning bitter. About any win. Any. Lots it solve all of that. That's an interesting idea. So you just create different statistics. That's an interesting idea man. Thank you very much for that. That's good. That's good. Yeah See. So you know how I feel about baseball John Alone Baseball your rugged traditionalist and I've always been a traditionalist and if if it was just in my heart was up to you, there'd be no lights at Wrigley Field. I wanted to. One hundred years ago I'm I'm completely in favor except you would let the black guys play of course of course. Yeah. So But at the same time I, want the game that I love to have the broadest possible audience, and if that means a gimmick to settle extra innings because it adds drama and. Drama for me than I'm for in the end if this three game playoff situation if the eighth three game playoffs that are played in October are dramatic and drive ratings and get people excited I'm probably probably going to come around to that idea too because I want the game to be exciting I wanted to be relevant I wanted to skew younger and add to me all this drama adds to that these wrinkles that are new add to that. It gives people a reason to go back and check out a game that they might have checked out on a while ago. Right and I think it provides like last night I was thinking about turning the game off. And then I feel Oh, they start with the runner second okay. L. Hanging around because I may be getting conclusion in did it was over in less than an hour? So it was good. All right. So we have radio tinder coming up. Yes Radio Tinder, and then at some point, let's get into the Steve Nash Higher Oh. Yeah. We got to. We got to talk about with Steve Nash. If you missed it hired by the Brooklyn Nets as their next head coach He will be coaching K. D. and Kyrie next year, Mason Ireland. Seventeen, ESPN seventeen, ESPN Mason, and Ireland is going on. It is a Thursday after a couple of dramatic. NBA Games. We now know who the Lakers will face in the western conference semifinals. It will be the Houston Rockets defeated. Okay. See last night in a dramatic game. In the meantime it's time for some radio tinder lenses got a bunch of stuff for US Lindsay up. Raw Rapper Snoop Dogg has announced his own liquor brand Indigo Jin described as being made with a back California style in Doug. GIN is made with seven ten foals including Orange Coriander and cashier in also infused with strawberry flavor it's been distilled five times and has made with no added sugar. Sounds Great. Stoop dog has also created signature cocktails for the new Jin including the laid back, which is made with indigo of course, pineapple juice soda water, and garnished with strawberry slices. Do either of you guys have your own personal signature cocktail and if snow. So what's in it? Whitewater Swipe Bright. Mine is. What we call the Mason Mule it get served at all of my parties it is Bourbon and Ginger Beer Bourbon and ginger beer. It's called Mason Mule. Yeah. I don't have one I'll. Have like a cocktail that would create but snoop dogg having his own branded gin is smart Ryan Reynolds came up with the GIN and he sold it for like six hundred million dollars. Well, that's not actually what ended up happening if you you're aware of the story up. He thought that when he was selling it. Six hundred million off of it and it turned out that that wasn't the case it was like a small fraction of that and he had a senate apology email to everybody in his family that he basically told the F. often joking way. So that's why he didn't get as much as he thought he I don't know the details of it. I can look it up. I saw them like entertainment tonight. If Snoop Dogg I think, for example, a genie bus has own brand of Tequila. That she co owns with Michael Jordan and wick gross back a bunch of the right Cinco. Tequila, who's one of the sponsors are laker broadcasts on the radio and the reviews of this Tequila are excellent and I was just thinking you know. What if snoop talking developed this brand into something tangible it could be a really good business. Let me take some snoop. Dogg. Can do most anything he is like he's become almost an iconic figure. Everybody's the new spokesman for Corona Corona. Yeah. He I mean he he owns everything on instagram. He's all over social media. He's all all of his stuff goes viral snoop is just an iconic figure right now in America. So Yeah I. I say he could probably develop that into something. So John Back to the question. You don't have any type of like signature cocktail. You don't have a drink the you always drink. Drink whiskey wherever I go. But mostly judo have you ever particular whiskey I like maker's mark but sometimes they'll get Irish whiskey. Bushmills really good. That's what comes from the north. Jameson comes from the south yet. So those are already good whiskeys, but that's what I would drink probably more than anything else. But no, I don't have like lease it as my wife does she she gets this crazy thing where she orders. Tito's soda. So Tito's vodka with Soda and then she has put lemons and limes in the drink like two two lives in the drink it takes longer to order than it does to drink. But that's her signature whenever we have parties I I gotTA. Make sure that that's one of the things that's available. So I guess some people do what about you who I do? You have a signature cocktail? If. This is considered a cocktail but I love me some Mitchell, Mitchell's my buddy. Lilo makes some Great Mitch Lowers I. Got the recipe from the Guy Lemon Juice Chili powder and two beers and you nice mutual other Nice Nice. All right. That's just Drank Lindsey what about you do you ever drink? I don't drink but if I did I would you. Does know maybe like once a year. Because Israel is that because you don't like alcohol or is it because? What's the reason you don't drink I just don't like to drink just not your jam. Okay cool. Next one, the man Lawrence season to release date has announced by Disney is set to arrive. October thirtieth. The core of the man alluring season to look set to revolve around Muscat in dark sabre and his hunt for the child. Aka. Baby. Oda who is like the merchandise craze of Twenty nineteen and still in twenty twenty so had me thinking had any of you guys ever purchased any baby iota or man delorean merchandise wipe left or right? I have not. Going to swipe. Left, I haven't bought anything but I and I and I don't have kids. So it's not really a thing but I love the man to Laurie and I think it's fantastic John I think you would absolutely love it. Giancarlo Stanton is in it. It's got baby Yoda, it's just a really fun show and it feels sort of vintage star wars. It feels like seventy star wars a little bit as opposed to the last six star wars movies that have come out which have gone. All CGI. This is very low on the CGI. And doesn't have crazy big battle sequences in space it mostly happens on the ground I loved the mandatory I don't own anything from it, but I will absolutely watch it John You. Jack's not really mandatory nature. You know here's the mandatory age I don't have kids and I have tons. Amanda. Laurean and baby YODA stuff. Do you have got? Yeah. I've got tons of baby stuff. I've got a baby. Oh, to mask I've got a baby t shirt I have to baby. Oh, to t shirts I've baby plush is so durable. All right. I want to. Come. Back. Cover, thirtieth. Horrid. You Watch them into Laurean I've seen three episodes of it. That's it oh. It's John. You should wise. It's a really fun show. I. Watched all the original I guess it would be the original six star wars movies once it that George Lucas did are you talking about? Talking about sixty order or they didn't they didn't go in order right? They went. They went in the original one came out in one thousand, nine, seventy, seven right Donald Trilogy that how is four? Okay. So I saw those. So I saw four five six and then I saw one two three but I haven't seen anything since I haven't seen anything with Daisy Ridley, Adam driver or John Bodega or any of. The central phenomenon I know all those guys are in it and I've heard of mandal oriented a baby Yoda Bill McDonald swears by those things and watches them the second. They come out like weights line at Movie Theaters Sodas Adrian Garcia Marquez. Those guys love that stuff but I for whatever reason got off the right after the original six. Yeah. I Love The star Wars I you know I like I like all the big movies. All the big blockbusters are fun to watch I. Don't want to miss out on him. Star wars is something really cool. Really Special I by the way, I like the last three star wars movies way more than everybody else did star wars people seem not hated them do you. I guess my measurement I went to see I. Think it was the second of the most recent trilogy with Gregg Bergman who stormed out of the theater saying that's not star wars. So he's Focus Group. Small Group of like which I consider myself pretty hardcore star wars fan like I get dressed up in character and go at the night. It comes out every time I even did that when they re released the original ones back in like really. Grown human being where costume and go to percent. We'll do. Wow. Wow. Thank you. Dress us. I'VE BEEN IN E Walk I've been Trade. Off. So where do you get a costume that you could dress up as an e walker? You just make it up I just make it. Okay. So you just get something that that will. Be in the spirit of it you don't have to go special order in E. Walk Right. Whore. Hey. What Star Wars character do you dress up as when you go to the movies man I've never dressed up for a movie man that's. A you and me. Right there with I don't think I've ever dressed up for a movie either Lindsey you're going to have to do it for all of us. That's right. You guys are too cool for it. To cool. All right. A twenty year old woman who has declared dead by paramedics in Southfield Michigan, then placed in a body bag and transported. Funeral home was discovered to actually be alive one. That's crazy. She is transported to James H Cole funeral home in Detroit, and that's when things took an unusual turn. Somebody realizes she was still breathing and called nine one one ems crew arrived at the funeral home. They found out that yes. She was indeed still alive and transported her to a local hospital where she laughs last published was doing. Well I. lived fascinated by this who declared her dead in the first place like how did the funeral home get the body in the first place and that was a really bad call. I don't know she was declared dead by paramedics. warps. Again I'm open those guys aren't working the night I need help. Wow I mean. There's been times where people stop breathing for. Yeah. Yeah. No looks through long and then they start eating again do you what do you think of when you think of the I'm going to the light kind of thing and you see everybody that you used to know do you think that's proof that there's an afterlife? If. There's proof of it because people make stuff up all the time but I think there's definitely an afterlife which leads me to my question. Are you guys afraid of dying? But I I'm not at all I it's so funny. You bring this up today I had this conversation we were talking I was talking to somebody today about the kirk cousins thing and I don't fear death at all. If it's my time to go, I'm ready and Faggot to live another thirty years I'm good with that too. But no, I have zero fear of dying. I am going to be with John this I have absolutely no fear of dying whatsoever. When the time comes, the time comes, I'm very comforted by the fact that I do have this very strong feeling that there is an afterlife and that there is something beyond this and I think that that's comforting when you think of of. Dying I. think There is. Somewhere we go. So yeah. I'm not afraid of dying. Are you afraid of dying? Lindsay. On Yup. Nervous about it not going to lie. I just think start thinking of things like the other day I went to. The museum, the Natural History Museum in Cleveland and. My nephew started at he's eight or nine. He started asking me all these questions because there's this exhibit with the dinosaurs about how they became extinct in the Mesnier will what about before the meteor and then what happened after the and all these things about like where we came from, and then my friend was like, well, what about earth? How did he? Ever get there in the first place. How did any of the planets ever get there? It just gets you thinking down the rabbit hole. Yeah, and it's kind of like terrifying. If you really think about by the way, let's he didn't know you were into that sort of thing. Do you have you ever been to the Natural History Museum over by USC? I went there one time when it was I just had a quick renter because it was towards the end of the day when they were closing is pretty great from what I saw but I had awesome and then the best one I've ever been to the one in Washington DC but the one beauvais US's really cool to. I've got to be museum nerd I like all that stuff. So if I love her, if you're into that stuff, then then go check out the one over by USC. Yeah. Is that where they get the space shuttle? They had it. No, that's the. Spades that's a Science Museum. Science Museum, right right there. So many gradual history museum is the one with the dinosaurs. Carpet stuff to the art museum I've been to the space museum like I said quicker the natural history. Museum. There's so many museums in L. A.. Auto Museum that's really good which awesome. Yeah. Really cool right down the street from there is the Simon Wiesenthal Center, which is Jewish Museum. By the great that is I don't know if it's still there. But the last time I went through it, they have exhibit at the end of it. That is basically the exhibit was to show that you shouldn't stereotype people and shouldn't call people names and you walk through this hall where there's all these names that are being yelled at you to show that this is very hurtful and the guy went with was kinda overweight. And Right. At the end of it they go. Hey Fat, ass. My friend just starts laughing hysterically because they were trying to show how it can be mean it goes. Did They Did they put that in there by No I think it's the point they're trying to make his don't make fun of people. By the way and and you walk through that thing, my dad was blown away by that thing. My Dad was he came out of that like Oh. Yeah. Because they basically yell every slur at you right possibly can and you get to feel what it's like to be the other the minority. It's a real if you've never ended the Museum of tolerance, it is a fantastic. Way To spend your time. 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#1279 - Jessimae Peluso

The Joe Rogan Experience

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#1279 - Jessimae Peluso

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My guest today is a hilarious stand up comedian good friend of mine from the comedy clubs of Los Angeles. And you might have seen her on girl code and a bunch of different things. She's awesome. Please give it up from my friend miss. Jessie may Peluso. The Joe Rogan experience slowing Joe Rogan podcast by. Alive really centered. Sean Senator made it happen. We've been having problems with our try caster doesn't wanna try. It's like no today every third show. Oh, won't go live. I centered. The though I sent the energy, dude. Let's rare wake and big day. I do this. You don't know gets shit done. I usually can you not get you done when you wake and bake. I kinda fuck off things if I get a hit high clock in the morning like I what's what's important. Really? I get stuff done ruined. Yeah. I had like, you know, I'll do like my Cup of coffee and a joint and I'll get some stuff done. I joke that it's like makes me super motivated to do not a God damn thing. But I get stuff done. I mean, all the stuff I get done as I like vacuum seven times. My apartment like four times the other day to meth thing, you sure, someone's not slipping into your let's not put all the rumors out there now. But you got any brandy. Bravo used to say that about girls like he if he was dating at east to work at a strip club, and he dated a lot of the gals that were warmers there, and he said, you really know one girl's meth had 'cause you go over house. It's always clean. He's always cleaning clean enough. Maybe I'm a method or just a Virgo apparently speed freaks not methods. When people are on speed, maybe coffee is the thing that does it to me. And then I just get focused from the we'd there's not one ounce dog hair in my house fresh. That's crazy. You have like fifty dollars. You're crazy dog lady. I do I have three dogs. We don't you have like a pack of chicken in your backyard to happy too, long coyotes got them, all I thought you were up with the bow and arrow we we had an issue where chicken coop burnt to the ground. Oh, fuck journals? Fires you lost. You ladies know, we didn't they they managed to fly out and they were in the yard. We lost two of them because they wouldn't we couldn't round them up to get them into the chicken pen. And because we got a new chicken pen. Would it wasn't as big. And then they were too good for these eight those two, and then they realize that they're all in this one pen in one day. We were gone the opened it up and got in them killed all nine of them. How they how they opened them on hold it apart with their teeth. Yeah. Dogs are listened domestic ones domestic dogs. But they're smart the difference between a Coyote and a domestic dog is like the difference between a hardened criminal on death row and a baby. Now, you're hundred percent, right. And experience. And what you had to do to survive at all the done survived an order. They don't have a house feeding them food. I mean, they're fucking little wool. Yeah. And it's like literally doggy dog world out there. Yeah. What was the gentleman, Dan? Coyote, America, the the author. God damn it was he like a dude lived amongst the world's. Yes. Dan floors. No. He's a wildlife biologist and historian. Yeah. He was talking about the history of coyotes and wolves in North America. Apparently all wild dog species came from North America, even like jackals shit like that like they made it across over there somehow like during the pan Jesus period or sunshine. Hanjin? It's an era. No, it's well when they think that all of the continents were connected together. We are one. We were one flat earth thing. Flat table. No, no, obviously, not a giant chunk. And then the rest was water. And then it spread out which is fucking weird is happening. How did that in like also is that happening on our insides, unlike it's obviously on a cellular level of the things just splitting and being torn the fuck apart. Is here's the the modern pan GM apples modern the modern country separations and all that because oh this is what it looked like I thought this is there's more pinch. America. What is that? I thought there was some knuckleheads thought that is that really all of the continents together. It shows you how much goddamn water there is. That's a mind. Fuck. Yeah. Because you really like to think that we're all dirt and not as much water itself. Much water. It's all water. It's like a little spec in a hugest ocean. Does who's really crazies ground? Dwelling, motherfuckers figured out. How suck all the fish out of that water? I know it's green that just to be able to get those suckers out with your bare hands. And then they're like, yo we need some we need a smaller situation. I think until the came up with nets and stuff like that. I don't think they were real effective. I think they just got what they got. And they ate but the populations were fine. But in the last whatever hundred and fifty years they've been using nets. They just Jack that whole ocean. What do you think happened to the due to figure it out like the hook? You probably got all the pussy in town, the due to cook the fish. He was getting all those fishy. He was getting the ones that were way deep to what the kind of pussy, the you get back when you invented you don't want it. But. In your modern mind. You don't then you're like, yo this is fresh fresh it only smells like must in Denver. How'd you become American something to you? Another level for sure. Yeah. I grew. Let's guess how long ago. Do you think they invented the fishhook? Do they even know I'm going to say, it's a really old invention old? Arrowhead time. Yeah. Exactly native native before previous American toes bitches would just break. If you think about a big fish hooking like a little thin. Oo they make it up bone. Probably must be bone. But you think to be too heavy. Just thinking would also break. Yeah. Wouldn't be able to hook it. Well, it must have been bone about. It was bone. Yeah. But bones get brittle especially after like off the body, and they start to calcified and all that. Look, I how old are you think it is really old? Juniper wood was the first one twenty three thousand years ago. She. There was no regions. Yeah. They'll push looks. There are made from cease nail shells. A bunch of information. I'll put together in Okinawa island data between twenty two thousand three eighty and twenty two thousand seven seventy I isn't that crazy. They get it that close to basically in inner, you know, overtake eighty ninety years one hundred years. It's like the is it carbon dating. I mean, that's the only thing. I remember from high school. How do you even how do you date? It back. Do they is it like a forensic thing where they grab a fly in? They're like, yeah. This was six years ago because of the juices on the wings, I think it's there's like a bunch of factors. Like, one of them is the dirt that's around where they like if they find it on the ground, and it's covered with dirt over hundreds and hundreds of years, they could take some of that dirt. And last it. The senate. They're trying to test. I think that's crazy. I want those earrings. Is that official click the that's how the show those are fresh. Those are really nice, I would rock those would you? Yeah. Store fishhook found in Okinawa. Wow. Twenty three thousand years ago. That's crazy. And so they're saying that the oldest fishhook is linked to the Norwegians. I would say Japanese says Okinawa thing was saying that and up until the nineteen fifties. There were they were losing would. And oh, I see. See added fact. Yeah. Japanese makes sense. I wonder if the all figured it out the same time different spots in the world. You know wonder if it's one of those things like, you know, like they there's some weird thing who's that. Is that Rupert Sheldrick? It's the more Fiqh residents theory. He's got this weird theory that I think the idea is that have some Ararat learns amaze on the east coast rats on the west coast will learn that maze quicker. What how like a like a no consciousness amongst the rats as weird as it sounds. There might be some sort of strange connection that all rats share and not just all rats, but all living beings. His argument was that if this is demonstratable with a rat in a maze that if they did something like with human beings, if they could figure out a way to to prove this it's likely what's happening is it like he he brought up a bunch of different factors like inventions that are simultaneously taking place like all over the world. What strain attribute some of that's education, right like education. What's going on? Like, the the trends that are happening and -cation. But like the also think there might be something else going on underneath the surface like on a different realm. Like, if you learn if we're all species, and you're on one side of the world, you learn something the people on the other side of the world have greater access to it. In some weird way. That's really bizarre. I don't that freaks me out. That's like matrix shit right there. It's also unprovable and you bring it up real scientists. They get upset with you is. Puts. The map thing the maze thing with mice and rats because I think that's safe. That's been proven a pretty sure thing that if you show a may be on one side of the country. They learned quick on the other side. How I don't understand how that can even be thing. But there's another one that's really interesting. But I don't know how much of this just because they didn't observe it before. But they've noticed that apes are starting to use tools like cell phones. Text each other. No not that yet. Weren't monkeys using tools. No. But apparently they use tools like to get like they'll stick Stick's into ant hills ants, but they're also use rocks to break things open or doing that before. I I would imagine apes would follow suit a think they've what they're saying is they're saying officially that. They've entered into the stone age. Oh, boy, if we are watching if you saw a human Volve from being a person that you know, what we whatever the fuck we used to look like when they I figured out fishhooks graduating today, you know, this many many generations of change and all all sorts of different shit that we learned that we are watching literally the birth of that separation between like the regular champs that are just chilling in the forest to the chimps that are starting to figure out tools and weapons right? Like the first day. We see a champ make a fucking spare. Sharpen it up and stab another chimp to death planning to the chimps are becoming woke is that what's happening becoming an enlightened and smarter. Just chimps. There was one with an Iran content. It was amazing Maranto spearfishing. Oh, no, dude. You gotta see nightmare. It's really great. But like it's a beautiful it's going to be walking down the highway with a briefcase soon. I don't think it's going to be there. Freaky, man that freaks me out. But it is. So we're witnessing evolution. They're learning things in this one. I think the issue was that this Iranian ten had watched fishermen do this. So he had apparently watched some fishermen like STAN on a ledge and stab fish. So he decided to try to figure it out himself that makes sense. I mean, that's how all creatures essentially, I mean puppies kittens, they all learn it's just it's to a limit. They don't get past that sort of being able to use tools to the picture that's wild bringing video too. So I thought there might have had video of it. But my dog. Opened his dog food container when I was gone. A twist twisted. Yes. I did it. I gotta get a camera. But I came home in that top was twisted off. And his belly was like. Picture. Rang Tang spearfishing. I mean, that's crazy as you saw that in a movie, you would say that it's fake that is so that looks like a still from jungle book. It's amazing. It's an amazing photo photo framed. Jimmy, get a photo. And let's do that. That's really cool that fucker. Framed. I talk about this picture all the time that is so wild. So fascinating. It really looks like the jungle book, you know, have you ever had you twenty three and me done. I'm I don't want. I don't want about about it. But like how accurate is it? You know, what's with the science? You're just gonna trust a piece of paper that comes back. I wanted to go to the lab and see who's doing this like how do you know? You're not just getting some like, you know, general packet that they're sending back to you. How would they do the because they've got your money? Why would anyone do anything? Why our mother fuckers throwing fits in grocery stores. People are crazy. No, we're talking about if you get high. Yeah. Get a little bit just a little bit psychotic like there's something. Yeah. Something happens, and you really do like entrant the world schizophrenia. Yeah. You just did it. How do I know? Good. And what did it say all kinds of stuff mostly stuff? I knew that I'm mostly Italian and Irish, but they they put Irish English together. Which I thought was interesting of one point six percent African fifty seven percent more Neanderthal traits than the average person. I could've told you that I could've told without even the blood work. I saw that. I saw the paperwork, and I'm like I figures. Wrong. Look at that. Look at that face look at that head. You're definitely Nandor thal your linking your link. That's missing for. Sure. Notes talion 's in general and don't be angry my Italian people because I'm Sicilian was strange monkey folk. Right. That should be your next special title. When I was in Italy. We had a cab drivers in the cab drivers would like to stick their head out the window at someone's ass. Like, we'll good as a Motte on slowdown. They are smooth. But it's just it's just their savage. They're like, and then I thought about I was like, well, of course, they are like they used to be the Romans used to be everyone up here. Magin how gross life must have been like back then with people growth, it's gross now, but it's really gross then went out plumbing, and I will say your toilet seats, or the warmest. I've ever sat on. Thank you very much. So compared from here to Roman-era. Yeah. I'm nasty. What did they do? They are their oil their shit, though, went through the streets, right or the problem. That's why everybody was infected in sick. I mean, there's no system they've couldn't mulch, you know, maybe like fertilizer to pore over it. But that was it was like is like people throw their cigarette butts on the ground like someone will clean it. Yeah. Someone else clean it. Some little you know, some little hand will grab it some little poor kid. But I mean, there's no perspective. They were just in their own little didn't know, they didn't know they were living as sophisticated as anybody that ever did. Shit holes is that where you shed in. Let's shuttle and year round a bunch of other people, Shannon. Do you put in your toes, and you get a pedicure? That's at that little thing. Do you think that those folks had like curtains in between them when they shot? That corner seat. Neither one upper. Yeah. Right there that will knees, touch and everybody's touching schinder year. Yeah. They were all they were all just in having a conversation talking about the latest gladiator sports. Can you believe the Tyco guide them? I don't know. Why sounds? When we were there. They were talking about the front rows the front rows where all the rich people sat to watch the call Siham. And that was when if tiger did get out. That's what they usually got to those people and kill the bunch of them. That's ironic. Just there to get a front row seat, and then nature's like cow. Gotcha kits. Partly these look at that. They're all jerk each other off shitting and sandals. Of course is everything in sandals. Who's the guy with a satchel all the way on the left? Okay. Come from his cock. Okay. I get it. There's this dog shit. I bet that's not true. But dogs in shouldn't hold all this shit on the floor on the thing. So. There were like what are these spoons for shit scoop in the poop out of your butts spoons to in case, it gets all Padalino scoop the water out of this cutting facts. Hollywood scoop water. Oh boy. Who's this guy? Some guy with a video on discussing things with poop. Yeah. You guys have the nicest toilet here ever. I can't imagine. I mean, what was sex like back, then even though they're in their own era. Their perspective is limited because of you know, just where they're at it. Still must have been gross disgusting. They must've smell terrible. There was no, soap, there's no soap. No. Well, they must have had. It was like, you know, it just wasn't as fancy as our soaps. There's no deodorant not owners oils and water. What is going on here? Jamie. They. Or they're sharing that spoon thing. I can't tell. He's in a real moment wipe with or if they're. That looks like little Dicky in. Cosby? Here's the other thing too. Why not be a little further apart, boys? Yeah. Why are they so close? Hey fell with the robe. How about you scoot over? There's a couple of extra stalls here that spoon. That spoon on your. But to break loose. He was down a couple of seats. But homey needed a hand to hold. I think what that was is. They would take that spoon and they would wash their hands it use their hand to wash there. But that's so bar Barrick. You're not supposed to shake hands with your left hand in some cultures. I think take but wipe. Yeah. So you would take the water poured in your hand, if I had to guess, you lather your butthole. That's disgusting. Me why not grab a leaf those fuckers or wearing Leafs. Anyways is outfit. Why don't they come a point? A couple of dudes are around with only shirt and a leaf outfit. A think the Leafs is something the added to those Roman statues. When people got mad about the penis to got a little weird. They got a little modest they were sensitive. They're modest then without any plumbing. I think they they just decided to dick for bad. So I decided that a long time ago. So they had a sponge on the end of a stick. They would wipe them. Shared a sponge, you share, you know. Oh, man. No, no, no. But sponge since we got these toilets that actually clean your, but with warm water when you press a button nicest boats, also the cleanest like what are we doing smear and shit around. All you're doing is like smear everywhere on your on the handles if shit came out of your nose. Would you be comfortable smearing it like that under a good wipe? Are we in Rome or are we in right now Ventura kill for? No, I'm a very clean person. I wet nap that bunghole whenever I can all day long. Keep it crisp keep it, crisp and clean. Do you think that you would use one of those toilet things? Hell, no. You wouldn't absolutely not you'd see me crapping in the woods in this one the one we have. Oh, are you kidding me? That's the most luxurious he ever taken in in life. There was like a remote control. That's like the upper echelon of society crap right there. It's very fancy sometime expensive. Really? No, it's not. I mean for what it does. It's a very very valuable at first. I was confused because there was a couple of what's it called Braun L, Ron Bronco. Give give them some love. I think it was for free to there's a remote there too. With a bunch of settings Brundle. Yeah. It's a very nice toilet. And that's like a model for many years ago. They haven't nailed they had it nailed like. Oh, no, no. These are recent these ones that we bought when we got the studio, right? Yeah. It wasn't too hot. Either didn't feel like someone was just sitting there. You know, you ever have that experience where it's like there's a there's a, but just here there's a pleasure that you don't want. Feel good rather uninviting stay here. All the back tears. All the crabs. Do you? Do you like only crap in certain places, or will you go like because on the road you travel a lot like you just gotta go. Do you do what you gotta do. I'm not scared aiding in public not even just being Joe Rogan and like being next to the person who's like booty gonna do. I heard shitting. Yeah. Have you seen the bathrooms like at Venice beach, though? Are you going in there? I want these public toilets. See whenever you deal, then that smell of homeless that wino- peace Rome that is Rome this thing where you got pissed so close that people wearing forever, you know, that super ripe pungent homeless crazy person smell. It's it's the most fix smell ever. It's a weird smell. But then you get you to m ller, but it's real similar like this is what what you hit. It's usually a person that's got mental illness, and they piss themselves shit themselves, and they get this really deep horrible odor to them. Doesn't they don't even know? But it's so similar it is similar to same. It's like the same smell like B O like really bad. Beal is almost always the same kind of smell. Right. I mean, that's the main reason why I've never been fiscal. Terrible. I would imagine. Yeah. We're just using salt rocks to clean our pits found out that. Modern industrialized Yoder. In is really just a plot. It's just a plot. And you know, what else? Like Furthermore to your point. They really abuse chemicals and ingredients so this is like cruelty free free. Nobody's like offended while they make the product. Yeah. You either get it all natural, which is like rocks. Verve. Seeing those mineral rocks. I used to work for work at all. Smell like a salty homeless person. What is this salt in your pits work is that what people do, you know, what works if you don't have deodorant or anything lemon citrus. It's a, you know, anti bacterial natural motion. Yeah. That makes sense some oregano oil on that. That's an also anti microbial natural innocent intas antiseptic eucalyptus oil and put some oil some. Don't put in your another region. So that went hurt my hurt the Kuku Kinney a soap called defense, soap it's all made with natural oils. The best the is designed for grapplers because grapplers get like skin scrat-, scratches and infections and a lot of ringworm and shit rows. Have you had ring a bunch of times I've had ringworm about staff twice and ahead. Ringworm? I think three times isn't that basically when three times because I've had it on my feet, which is basically the same thing. You put your finger and poop and scratch. Right. That science. You are a doctor. Nearly fuck is wrong. Ringworm like from like. Put bacteria. How think so I think ringworm is just a parasite, and it's what happens is it gets through. I think it gets through broken skin scratch skin, and then it forms this weird ring a bullseye. Fucking gross. I can't I can't deal with it like shows like the monsters inside of me. I don't wanna know someone sent me a link. It was Josh Wolff sent me a link about the the little like mites that are in your eyelashes. Nice handle people in their cars in the four. Oh five. I don't want to know about fucking mites in my eyelashes, if you could just see on the four zero five as you drive, and how many people have lice lights on the car. There should be. That's the future. That's what we need. I don't want to know your followers. I want to know how many license you have in your fucking a weird one because license around when I was a kid. I I can't get any more. Thank you know. You're you're your you're immune freer impervious delays. But when I was a kid. I was like one are they gonna figure this thing out because apparently adults don't get it. It's one on this really know hardly ever have those last time you had your hair check for lice. I'm not hanging out napping in kindergarten where children are riddled with it. But if I did how are the kids getting it because the roll around going head to head talking about, you know, just gotta be patient zero with the folks going on with page stations zero. So we'll kid probably some rich kid was parents neglect him and he's had him in there for a long time. Yeah, he's got rich lice rice. It's funny marijuana. It really does it does. It's kind of. It's an amazing Tomase. Ing medicine for your brains super weird when you're not high and you want people that are. This trick to what's happening right now. No, we're both of us. Oh, that's right. Jamie's high to very responsible those oven mitts on your shirt, Jamie. Oh that makes me want like a grilled cheese sandwich. I don't know why. Yeah. What is that Johnny cupcakes? Oh, cool. Wouldn't it be amazing of grilled cheese sandwiches were super good for you? Oh god. It's my one thing that I just it's my food like the one thing French fries. French fries were the shit. It's like they've found out that it actually turns your age back sweet potato. Trick is that work because it's the fry part. That's the worst. If you just had the sweet potato fries Begum, you're good. It's bad. I don't I think it depends on what kind of oil you cook it under. But I think whenever you cook anything in hot oil. There's something about the way the oil breaks down your body's like what agenda doesn't it? I don't know. But I like when you use big words. Can you pretend? Talked to doctors like, hey thin. Do they eat French fries doctors? I think it's carcinogenic, right? Goddamn this health plan for you. Obama fucked your cigarette pay care, you know, you can't afford healthcare. Come over my house. I'll let you know if you're carcinogenic or not do something real gross about people. We'll get better healthcare. Go get better healthcare. It's just readily available. That's one of the grossest ones when you don't. You don't feel for fellow citizens in our community that don't have healthcare. Now. I I've I didn't have healthcare forever. Just gonna go. I got it a week ago and booked all the appointments. Did you everything I got the kitty cat checked got the teeth? Check size. Were you worry about the feeling like you have a cavity phantom cabinet like shit? Yes. My tooth hurt. A fucking cavity. Definitely did might teeth for like crevasses OJ bunch cavities. She filled me like four times because I haven't been Healthcare's ridiculous. No, I wasn't eating candy food. I don't know. I think like, you know, changes in my life. Maybe I got ringworm from usual. Changes. Little kids. Get it all the time. Do oh do dirt. I'm gonna blow your way bull your mind away. Okay. Hookworm is was super common in the south, and it literally diminishes your capacity for thinking. So the idea. Jawed southern dumb person. Theo now. Sorry. I didn't know she's going to do that. I would never have Ron. Oh, you know. I love, you know, maybe people feel no his relative. Have you had to say? Theo von say, maybe a few people that I know. Yes. Yeah. There were all hookworm victims. What? So how do you get hookworm walking around barefoot? I mean, there's just too many opportunities to get these worms in your body. Oh for sure it's so gross. When you see dues who go to like some foreign country, and they get scratched and they come back on bought flies Glowna belly flying. Buying a kid just died recently in India. I think it was India. He got a infection. He who's having headaches. And it turns out worms from pig feces. Had they made it all the way up into his brain. And they were making cysts all throughout his brain. They said it was so bad. They couldn't even give him de worming medication because of they did a worried his brain would start bleeding, and that it would suffer from a stroke. What time not gonna sleep tonight all is worm talk. That is Tim here. The psoriasis pull those pictures from the pictures of the dudes brain filled with SIS God you looking at. 'cause we're tying. It's like ten in the morning. Oh, you know, what I was saying before I forgot to bring my fanny pack buke game me one of your fanny packs, and I travel with it everywhere. Thank you very much from glad you enjoy. The most trying to spread the resourceful thing. This is my fanny pack can wear this for the same one in a couple of people of talk some shit. And I was like you better. Step back step step back pharmacy in. There have got my whole thing. So I can be a doctor on the road of scope, I got a scalpel. He's he complained of having pain in his groin and swelling in his eye. And then they found out he had Cecil over his brain. I mean, I have pain in my groin every week. But. Brain on the on the right? I'm assuming is the result both of them. It's different views of they're both different. Use those little holes are all cysts inside of bronc-, his brain is literally imploding, although those little spots those little white spots. Those are all little cysts inside his brain that must've been painful fucking pure agony. It must be pure. And this was in India. You said what country was man? Yeah. Fuck that. I just imagine like people having not the access to healthcare in this country. But at least we're a little bit modernized being in one of those countries and being poor. You're. Your so fucked by swallowing microscopic eggs passed in the feces of a person who has intestinal pork tapeworm never going to brunch again. But think about that's not even just pork tapeworm. It's the eggs in the shit of a person who has the tape. See what? What? Jesus try goalie Helms get in your mouth, I suspect joint before this. I am in a pure panic. Don't eat as India unless that person is on anti tapeworm medication. Also, never e asked again, I mean, this is a PSA for antiacid eating this. I told you I had e-coli a few weeks ago that was my life, Jamie. The there's been a change in the way that the pork industry is going to be doing inspections at the government's gonna stop doing it. Apparently as early may and the industry is now taking over that'll be true fair. That's just that's exactly what you want. This is one of those things where people that are all in favor of deregulating everything you need to understand this shit. Like this happens if these people cut corners, and we know people cut corners before maybe it's not all of them. Maybe most of them are going to be great people are gonna die people sick. They're gonna get e-coli. They're going to get all sorts of fucked up things forty percent and replacing them with employees. My cutting the number of federal inspectors by about forty percent that is such a bad idea. Well, looks like America and everywhere is go. To get a whole bunch of hookworms. This is like having the mafia police the streets taking away would be no. Slaughter line speeds who that is so gross. Nobody's trying to make it quicker. Pork is a weird. One weird one is too risky, man. It's way too risky, even that. I mean, they're they're fucking smart. Yeah. The one of the weird things like smart like a dog. They're like a five year old, aren't they? They're maybe not viewer kid like a five mile. Ow, shots fired. Dr. Fired right into my reproductive heart. Your five year old pielach. What do you think he'd be like Stoner? Good point. See you probably right. Great five year old Mike it'll be chilly. You know, what he wouldn't be beaten up your kid? But he made it very nice. You'd be surprised my parents are hippies. I know it's true. I do know that. Yeah. My mom's a super hippy. So. But port. Yeah. Eating pig is weird because they are very intelligent creature there until but here's the other weird part about you gotta kill them because they breed like crazy. And in a while, they go nuts are everywhere in the wild tusks grow very fast. They become very barbaric tusks. I see that little tray right here. Yeah. Those pigs. Are they look like? Wild-boar? Oh, that's from my from Adam green tree he killed that in Australia. They have a problem with them in Australia too. It's wild. How how hollow it is? But it's so it's so strong even still. Yeah. That's a big ass hook. We should go fishing with us and see what we can catch up with. Yeah. We we could definitely cut catch like a humpback or something with this puppy. It's a weird thing their their teeth or they're shaped like these weird swords that is crazy and they grow so fast. If you're Lisa pig that those these things pop out in a couple of months. Awhile. They start changing when they're not taking care of. It's like it's like remember that movie with Howie Mandel walk like a man, do you? Remember that where he was like a kind of vaguely he was like raised by wolves or something that's kind of like almost the equivalent of him coming back to society is releasing a pig, and it becoming wild not that I'm calling Howie Mandel pig, but he's a nice Houston. The opposite of a pig. Very nice gentleman. But he's also like a super clean. He's not getting ringworm or hookworm. There's he's not getting any of the worms, but he might because you like washes his hands a lot too much. You can do too much and you kill your skin. If up your phone on flora Indian balance going on here. What do you show us? Oh, man. That's how he's like a dog man was like raised by creatures in the wild in this lady because women especially a white ladies trying to like, you know, save them. She wants to save them and do good for him. And so he's just trying to acclimate to. Great stone or movie, by the way, this was the eighty nine seven eight hundred seventy seven. Yeah. Always moving Dow's been around for he's been around. And he looks younger now than he did. Then do you fucking dudes that maybe it's washing your hammer? It was a good move washing your sheeting Washington's. Yeah, it probably is crazy. Maybe now, we're very clean in this society. We, you know, we we can't handle like natural bacteria that exist in nature at FOX us up. We're going gonna we're going to end up just murdering ourselves because of how clean we are. I think much more likely we're going to develop resistant strains of bacteria that a murderous. We already have there's new one that they did just did you see that flu virus? That's like that article. There's an article that just came out about some mysterious infection. That's been merkin people because we're too clean. We keep we should have. We should bring back the Roman toilets just to level it all out. Have a couple of sprinkled around. I don't think that's good. Just a couple of them. You know, like they do wanna parties what's the difference between those in a porta potty? If you like working on a construction site. I can't hold a hand in a porta potty. Do you ever go to a music festival? Fuck now news one of them in the shit that blue liquid doing that too low point. I'm not doing that. So I can get that worm that feels cousins have I'm not doing that shit. Don't do. Barefoot, jamie. What festival our people at that? Art barefoot. The deadly fungal infection resistant to treatment. That's what it's called. That sounds bad. Yeah. All right. Sounds like a new solar system. Unstoppable. Fungus killing the world's bananas supply, man. Addicted to sniffing separately. Lissette van addicted to sniffing inside. Severe fungal lung infection. This is real. This can't be real. This is like stone or news. Here's another link. Socks aren't sexual says key schools. Click click. In writing these like Gary Busey who's writing these headlines this with Tim pool told me ready for this. You know, those click bait sites we go to and it's like you won't believe what she looks like now. And then you click on that. And then you go to another one never ending quickly cook, they get they gather up all these cliques like they have a site. That's responsible for like four hundred thousand unique clicks a day if they have something like that. Right. They sell it to another company. Those clicks, another company 'attaches those clicks to their site and says we get one hundred thousand. Day. So they're not real. They're bought clicks. You can buy clicks, dude. What world are we in right now by clicks? I don't have time. I don't have time. Please find out. That's true. I think it is. It sounds about right pulled us in lie. He's an a lot of people right now who believe it. Everybody long people buying likes people have done that or like followers. It's the same. It's the same. They definitely do that internet way to do that people get busted because like they don't have any interactions like, so they'll put up something and put up a video and the video gets like thousand views, but they have like a million followers that doesn't make sense. There's no that that doesn't make any sense when the engagement doesn't match up with. I watched people all kinds of dumb shit the mountain time that have wasted watching people's internet videos, those little Instagram videos. They make. Yeah. Talking about their morning. The thing you posted today about the the Florida headline. That was like the Florida headline for sure that was like what you said in the caption that was legit. I was I'm writing this bit about exotic pets and when I'm in the middle of this bit. I just saw start researching Florida what inspired you to write something? I'll tell you. I don't want to do the bid right enough to says a Florida man tries to start naked by club at chick. Fillet? A Florida man was arrested after he challenged others to fight and to stare at his genitals outside a Chick-fil-A. Why did Dan Bill Therion say people from Florida just can't act right? Trust me. That's a good job at himself points points to bills Adrian, or at least come and correct. With those particular headline also where can I sign up? It sounds fun. It's like game of thrones for meth heads naked fight club. Yeah. Why not you want to go to watch from like a neighboring parking lot with Bernard. Hell, yeah. Do. Wanna do you wanna be far enough away? So if they start running at you balls out swinging dream, keep your hobbies do keep your car in park engine running. And then use those by knows absolutely. You know, I shut my not me. Professional Chamie with your oven mitt t shirts or video of that. Right. If someone was out at a fillet. There's not video. That's very depressing. Fact there had to do some video video of almost any kind of interaction. It's people create interactions. So that they can video tape them. Parents man, they gotta stop putting their kids on video. We gotta stop. It's enough. You say that. But there's a little kid. It's like six years old at reviews toys, and he makes twenty million dollars a year twenty million dollars a year. Disney toys, just looking at toys hundred bucks. I'll open up a box of you know, toys, I'll do it hundred beans. That's it. Nobody wants to see you open up. But I'm gonna find something if wanna see little cute kids up in a in a diaper. What has this? I'm going to help us back. I'm gonna find another gotta find another thing to make money. Angle. Yeah. That kid he's making a lot of money going to be the YouTube, toy guy. There's a lady who does it with just her hands a grown woman? Does she do with her? And she opens things up same thing. I don't know if they're beautiful. I don't know four feet out and start using it for what I gotta do. I'm going to open children's toys and my feet is that weird. No, you should do and see which one gets better views do it with you with painted toenails and doing you kind of like, neglected toenails. Neglected toenail little chips and your paint. You know, this is the thing sadder than collected toenails. It's also kind of hot because it's kind of chick. They'll take some chances. She's like bay doesn't even never toenails at order wherever she lives. So move the across the country. She's crawling which do enter into a Bank robbing scheme with you should've taken care of herself. She's got chip toenails. I that's a pitcher puts people first. Neil. Check just can't get it together. Some people just never quite get it together. They. Right. Yeah. And then you see their toes in it's a reflection of their own, downfalls. They're their own worst enemy or they have a job yet. Too. Busy too busy mom with a job in a couple of kids who's got time to do nails. Then unless you, you know, you're rich wife doing yourself. The nail thing is interesting. Why is that? 'cause here's why because it's like a service thing that people love right love going and getting pedicures manicures people that are into that shit. New love it they love Dunkin their feed in the thing. And then they get to talk to each other. But they would never wanna do that. Yeah. It's one of those weird things. It's like. If you found out your mom was given strange dudes pedicures, look, that's our new gig. He'd be like, oh, Molly guy. Go to therapists. What's going on? Well, we'd say why why do you have this job on a clean people's feet? What what about it brings you joy because if you need money like you, you might as well just slice mangoes on the side of the highway or something different. Visit on weird that that's one where people love getting it done, but to do it. But it'd be like, well, I get my nails done regularly. I love it. It's very relaxing. But yeah, it's it's weird thing where you know, saying this. It's like it's one of those jobs that's worked by, you know, non white people for the most part, which I think is interesting don't you think that's interesting as a woman who cover nail entry level jobs for people that are first generation immigrant that. Like, what would happen realistically if all immigrants removed from his country? Everyone's nails would look like shit and your clothes. They got rid of all the legals every every. Nobody who barely speaks English out restaurants would fall up. We know delicious food there'd be no fun music. There would be fun music. I mean, some, but like, let's be honest. But there's a lot of fun fun music. There's a lot of fun like, you know, wasn't their idea. That's true. Yeah. That's true. Not many like songs in like, our culture can do one of these in it fits, you know, especially like a wedding. But yeah, everyone would be jacked up, no food. No, no nails kings. I don't know if I know. I hope it sounds very familiar put it on. Are you kidding? There's some can't wait to it's too expensive. No notes. Well, this yanked from YouTube. Oh, that's right. You can't put any music on. Anybody's. I think I'd just somebody sent me a song of gypsy kings, recently, they've been around forever. Bad ass Latino band. And what I love it is because I can't speak Spanish. So when they're singing it's just beautiful like, whatever they're saying. It just sounds great. It doesn't have any like, I know there's a motion I can feel the guy's a motion when he's singing. But I have no idea what he's saying. So I don't I don't need to hear it. I just love the sound of it is nice. The the language is like very melodic. Oh, yeah. Like Spanish Italian heels. Eight Latin based language is very pretty to listen to this goes Lagos, a musical flow. You ever hear people from Brazil, speak Portuguese. I mean Affleck a bean to it all the time this meant that should sexy. Did they have a way of talking is up and down. So you'll dance it is a little dance in people were I'm from like Syracuse key guys went to go get a sandwich. It's like you just don't want us to talk. You don't know what it is? It's actually trying to keep people from breeding that it's like the input that sucked the most of the shittiest accents. Because. Trying to make everyone disgusting. Well, I guess I'm not supposed to have a baby. Then. Just trying to limit the numbers. They don't want over populations in places that suck. There's probably some like you mosquito at you're saying, do you? Dr neuroscientists anybody who needs some advice. Just call us at one eight hundred good look say a new documentary by the guy wrote copay cocaine Cowboys did cocaine Cowboys and a bunch of other documentaries. Billy core. Yep. Billy court. Corbin got it. Don't why don't choke on his lane. Smarter. Anyway, Billy has a new documentary called screen screwball. It's all about Alex Rodriguez and the steroids scandal and. One of the guys in is a fake doctor who would wear stethoscope around his neck like he got his degree some Janke overseas university and wasn't legal to practice medicine the United States, but who called himself a doctor, and he had like the stethoscope that he'd wear it will in his office. He'd walk around with a stethoscope around his neck and neck hanging. I just think he's got to check your heart. Meanwhile, always doing this describe with steroids. It was amazing. He's got this kid that was walking around. He posed as a doctor and had multiple patients. I remember this is in Florida. Simply I guess in Florida too must be pretty, of course, it's Florida is this name does his name say Malachi. Creepy name. That's like children of the corn. How do you pronounce that Malachi Malachi? That's that is ballsy do wait a minute. This is real name Mair Malachi. Love robinson. That sounds like a character from like some sort of porno theory is Dr Mao as fast D H H P dash c AMP TV Dan, all those things HIV. What all those other things that is healthcare proxy. Maybe some bullshit AMP. I don't know what the hell that sounds like a gas station in Kansas. Let's read his his thing was AWS is is a well, Dr Malachi love Robinson is a well rounded professional that treats and cares for patients using a system of practice at basis treatment on physiological functions and abnormal conditions on natural laws governing the human body that doesn't even that's a run on nuts. Sentenced to as missed it. Hold on. Dachshund? Love Robinson, utilizes physiological, psychological and mechanical methods such as air, water, light, heat earth, phototherapy, food and herb therapy. Psychotherapy electro therapy, physiotherapy McKenna therapy, natural path corrections and manipulation and natural methods or modalities together with natural medicines, natural, processed foods and herbs and nature's remedies. I'll let you just said the only thing that was true about that was manipulation. How is this guy who who read that and went all right grin? Yeah. Who read that was like I need to make an appointment. Immediately found the real Dr. Doctors that don't use manipulation. What doctor goes like this in a photo all of them. Now. Imagine that became the new thing. I would not go to that doctor offices. So someone had to like rent him the spot. So they believed him to not just the kid multiple offices. He at least had an off a office like off, you gotta think guy who's dot good of a bullshitter that pretends to be a doctor actually gets patients got a stethoscope gotta lab site. Isn't that good? It's good enough that he's got patience like it actually worked like imagine. Being so crazy that you tell everybody, you're a doctor, you don't know shit about medical medical practices. You know, you read his little bio there, and you get offices. And then you get patients you treating patients it's the same. As like religion too, similar a similar approach. You just find people who are go need in who needs something, and they're gullible and they're vulnerable and the follow you anywhere or religion is either that or it's a part of your culture. Right. You're born into absolutely. A cultural thing for sure it's when you hear about a forty five year old dude becoming a Mormon or you're like what what what happened? What are you doing your lost? Maybe just have a great group of people. That are also Mormons. Fuck it. I'll join would happen. You know, maybe even like with Scientologists. What happens if people like especially in Hollywood, they just get so desensitized or like, they get everything they want and they're looking for more. I need purpose. If I was jaded, I would say that they think they're going to enhance a career, you think so are used to think that because there's a lot of like there was at least a lot of people in the film industry that we're Scientology, right? You gone to a meeting. No. But I did go to one of those the head like a conference tables a folding table setup in San Diego, and they had like the the two coffee cans with the strings on them that you hold onto God. And you know, they ask you questions about your childhood and weird stuff. And then you say it into the coffee. Can you hold these things it's called? It's what's it called an e meter snorting? Starting so loud. It's called an e meter you hold onto it. And it it it it gives you some sort of a reading on this fucking graph. That's it's totally nonscientific torch shit. Right. But you know, the guy who was really interesting because the guy who was doing it must be just like some regular, dude. Who's in the church that they make do it. It's not like he wants to do it. Nobody wants to do that tell he was like a volunteer because you will. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe maybe a problem with your dad or something. He was really selling it at all. So basically how I am a doctor is what he was selling the Scientology eating dishes. See what it's like just out of curiosity. Just to be in there. You know in that moment and see what the hype is about. Well, there's a lot of money, right? You have to think that they their massive real estate holders. They they've earned millions of millions dollars and they have tax free exempt status because it's over religion tax exempt. That's taxes. That's crazy. They sued and won it. Yeah. They sued the IRS. See this is the problem where on one side of the coin like people are good manipulators on the other side. People are idiotic to believe in deal with half of the shit that they believe in deal with. I think they're they're they're a bunch of different things at once. You know, there's the wacky beliefs that L Ron Hubbard all that stuff that he created. But then there's also the clan mentality like. Plan right tribal mentality. Absolutely. It's funny that the Ku Klux Klan, they kind of stole the word clan. Right. Like, the work you say get self conscious. It's the correct word for like a tribe of people. Right. And it's not it's not reserved for just a group of white supremacists. I mean, it definitely indicates a whole bunch of groups of people look I used to play quick competitively. If you tell people how quake teams are that their clans the quake land people like what? And then they were like you mean like the KKK K. No, just a group of people quake you fucking idiot with a common mentality. That's it a group a band of people banned. Yeah. Brothers that happens. People just take over something. And then that's something becomes negative from then on well, then they have a platform as well. You know, they they can then they're like social social Justice warriors about it. You know, they're like chairing it from the rooftops and making tweets about it. And how how it's a fucked up situation. Other really doing that? If you if you were to say any word people like omega this person said this it's racist. It's like I was just saying clan. I wasn't saying anything else. It's like the Hitler moustache just got away. Suit. Tricky. It is. With a Hitler moustache. Now. Like, you can't really you can't who wants to wear it is there is somebody wearing it for a while. That's right. He did God he did playing basketball. That's kind of fun. He was playing basketball. He wasn't. He was retired Hanes commercial or something. I think. Oh my God damn Hitler. You can't brazen. You can't even like when does it become a Charlie Chaplin? It starts as a Hitler. Like when it gets to the outer edge of the nostrils is Charlie Chaplin, Charlie Chaplin had a Hitler. He he molded after modeled after Hitler pity. Yeah. Hitler was huge fan of chaplain. Absolutely. There's there's some crossover chaplain was of huge fan of Hitler. Hitler was a fan of Chaplin in Chaplin. Just kind of chaplain was a little bit of a rebel, man. So why chaplain whereas most I think hung in cheek Michael Jordan, the mustache boosted sales and Hanes. Let me see that photo. Wow. Larger is so crazy that is so crazy that is wild even he had to give it up, even Michael motherfucking Jordan. What is that second paragraph say Jordan camouflages the mustaches to a small extent with a corresponding? Soul patch under his bottom lip but the lip beard appears to be exactly that a beard trying to disguise the teutonic neighbor upstate great sentence. That's a great sense to tonic neighbor to tonic neighbor. That's really tonic means do you know, what to tonic means. I've never used that word capitalised. I would have hit it hit it. Maybe like probably because it's not a real word motherfucker thinks it's a Dame or something like some until tune says. Towns relating to two towns. Denoting Germanic branch of the Indo European language. Family does definition. So go back to that. Go back to that statement again. The statement. We're just reading from. Yeah. Okay. Choose a beer trying to disguise his teutonic neighbor upstairs Hausa. So maybe those people wore those stashes, maybe Hitler got it from the Germanic, right? Yeah. Like who's maybe it was a dramatic mustache. Maybe it was all a mode of the times. I mean, maybe a bunch of people at Hitler's kind of like how there's full beards. Now this like as a full beard, the Hitler of our society, just like a common beard think. So can you imagine if somebody wrote will rolled around with Hitler stash today that'd be really wild began. You can't that's too much. Right. Here's what's weird. And I've talked about this on stage to why is it, okay? To dress like Gingas Kahn whose dressing Gingas Kahn. If you want to do it for Halloween. Why is it? Okay. Yeah. What do you mean? Like, it shouldn't be okay to be a Nazi. You can't be Hitler. Yeah. That's I mean, that's just won't let you well. It's also kinda lacking creativity. Like you wanna be Hitler? It's like dress up like a sexy, baby. Are we really doing this? Is this necessary? No, one needs to see sexy babies. No one needs to see a Hitler. Well, slow your roll, some girls should definitely dress. Like, a sexy babe so girls can just like sexy babies, but I can't dress like a baby and open up packages on YouTube. You could just like a baby and open a package on YouTube on stopping you. Invisible, foes because you just said that it would be Q. And now before it wasn't when I wanted to do it. What you think you're serious? I wasn't. Cut to this afterwards. And it's just ten videos of me opening up packages of toy. Cereal. Yeah. Your underwear in my underwear? Opponent. With my terrible terrible chipped toenails. It's amazing. How many people have created a career just reviewing stuff on on YouTube like those tech review guys? They make shitload of money even have to have like degrees in electron IX, or an engineering or anything. They just have to have a love of tech like our friend, well unblocks there. But first of all Louis like think about how many views those videos, get his videos. He's one of the top ones, but there's Marcus Brownlee. Who's also been hearing guys on there. What are people saying on Dunkin? Yeah. It's what are they? What are they like as a viewer to watch somebody else open gifts? That's like that's like the worst part of Christmas morning watching other people open gift, you're like where the hell am I told people get really into it? They do czar. Don't you think it's bizarre flossy Carter's my favorite? There's a things knowing this Jack black guy who looks like a like a powerlifter. Tattoos on his hand. Nice like full out. Right. And he uses like. He he uses technical terms mixed in with like slang, and he has cat. He's got a cool little cat. That's always like in the videos nagging, and he opened he's an unblock cer-. Yeah. He's super knowledgeable guy. When he when he reads like when he's talking about like the different details. What cameras do and don't? But he does it in a funny way. Right. Like, he's very funny. Yeah. In it's like, also knowledgeable. So if you're a dork like mean, you're into like phone technology into phone technology most fascinated by innovations and phone technology because it's like I'm watching someone build a bomb. Stand back like where the fuck are. They going next next. This is ruining us. Now, they wanna make them faster better and more see all hands to. Yup. So this is this Fossey Carter shadow to flossy as far as the feel lightweight super comfortable. You can easily wear these all day and for the look this. They're gonna look like when you wear them neck tattoo, but some people like them some people don't these really ate my Cup of tea. Not what I got big hands mainly hand. There's pictures of Montezuma. He's jacked like he he lifts weights. He's huge what what's his background? I don't know. That's. Million seven hundred and fifty three thousand four hundred ninety five us, whereas top ten truly wireless earphones. He's got a huge following. But it's because of that because he knows what he's talking about. But then on top knowing when he talks about it's kind of fun to listen to voices. Interesting his voice room. Yeah. Full powerful voice. You do at Ted talk. The fellas out there that are carving their own niche and gals reviewing things talking about things like there's so many different people doing shit like that. Now, I guess it makes sense because there's such a huge space for the techie nerds to indulge in that stuff and become fans of that sort of also no one would have ever made that a television show and even a television show. People might not have watched it. Yeah. That's one of the air on on YouTube or you can just clear at your at your leisure. Does the beautiful thing about the on demand? What's tech TV, though, which wants this this sort of just replace whatever, you have a tech TV was never this in depth? They would go, you know, they would gloss over things they would have like a synopsis TV. They still had they commercials. I guess they were they did everything. Like does. It was great. I loved remote control. I mean, not remote control. What was it called on screen? Savers remote control is MTV show. I was I thought that was. Kartini and Chris Harvey Hardaway Chris hardware, hit a couple extra LV on them. Yeah. You need a soul patch. Then as well. Yeah. He had like a downstairs Hitler Hitler in the basement is what? The basement Hitler in the basement just not in the attic. It's too close. But isn't it weird though that I mean not saying that anybody wants to dress like a Nazi? I don't I don't want just to say that I have to say that. But that if you dress like a murderer from the past like Gingas Kahn or something like that. Well, you actually get in trouble now for cultural procreation, you know, where you wouldn't get in trouble is that the renaissance fair when they have like heroes and villains day goes on what you're doing there. Some squinty is going. Too far, we're taking it to that. But why is it weird that a physical characteristic like is like cl- small is is like offensive to discuss. Is that fascinating. It is fascinating recreate. I think is it offensive or is it people? Enjoy the feeling of being offended. I think there's a there's a sweet spot in the middle there. I would beg to differ that some of the people in society who are offended by words. Terms sentences aren't necessarily truly offended as much as they want to say, they're offended. All right. Am one hundred percent on board with you. So. Puzo? Sorry. Thank you. Dr puzo. I have HP. PHI ABD. I can't I mean people get off. They love it. They let's offended in in. What they also love doing not doing shit about it. But in their defense, if you see like a movie where dude is playing an Asian, man. But he's a white, dude. And they do some malarkey with his eyes mother fucker said malarkey is what did he make them into leprechaun something Irish Charlie Chan monarchy with your book? Who's that special effects? Monarchy had changed him into a chinaman. Oh, goddamn, leopard Condit fucker. You could be an Englishman. No one has a problem with call someone Englishman. He calls him at a chinaman. Oh, you're getting weird there. It's just weird, it's exhausting. When people are offended, and then it's like girls being offended and writing articles about guys that are doing me to moments, but they're not going to the vet the rallies. They're not involved in the community. They're not really like moving the needle there. Just screaming is a good good rallies. I think it's good to be also actively physically involved in whatever movement you believe in. I think just saying posting on Twitter is a facade. But it's good for Largs. You can get a lotta arts. Boom. I mean, I guess there's some eyeballs on it. You're you're creating a conversation. But I don't know. I just believe in like living walk in the talk a little bit more with the fuck where we just talking about that gangs comes oh Chinese actors that get fucked out of roles by white people. They don't do that anymore. But they used to one of the big ones was Charlie Chan Charlie Chan was like a famous detective show. Remember that show was it was. Casted as a white man was a white dude playing a Chinese detective that was like super wise detective busted, but he looks like a white guy eats good like Matlock? Like, the commission know like that's doesn't there. My holy hell Trojan. I'm offended. Yeah. You should be. He looks more. Like he looks like a shitty magician. Looks like chewy from the comedy store. You don't you guys? Don't remember chewy that is offensive at the same thing happened with let me see that picture that shit is ridiculous. I can't opening their these. He looks like he runs a casino in upstate New York. You ever heard talk. Can we play some of the need to hear it from Trojan? It was very offensive. Oh my God. Dont? Let's listen this, Charlie. I'm shook right now. So Jimmy, what do you think? What year? Do you think? This was nineteen forty five. It says doesn't say fifties. Scarlett Johansson, Ed that whole issue member she was cast in that movie, and it was supposed to be an Asian role. And people went crazy over she build. Let's hear some of this who he goes. I can't. Wait a minute. I got your telegram. I started watching all train you contact mysterious. Mr. Shaw pick him up. He got out the training Hodge. That's one of my main over that. He and I have trailed him plus seven hours. No you follow him. He could help it. I think it ju it about Harmon. So we've got toast to look his face. He doesn't even look remotely taped. His is for sure they did some weirdness but not much because he looks like every housewife and Bev hills minus the facial hair. The pullback face where you're like take off ten years, but back then, you know, this guy could get away with that. You know, what's his face? John lady in the Saran wrap. She's a ghost or some shit, dude. What's happening to her? That is bizarre around back. Then. A bubble inches. What you would do to wrap up food. This thing legit and take it home after the party. Food inside. Jin's itself. What is that? She's wearing like a glass Vail Shiloh booth. Luis Gomez and Shiloh booth through time travelers this is I mean, isn't it great to live in this time where movies are so much better. But we're going to laugh in the future looking back at how stupid things aren't today. You just can't see it coming when you look at that guy. That's a cool chair. What is that dude? So another Chinese guy that dude it's not really Chinese think he's got some terrible face makeup. I think added to I think that looks like a like Joey Dee is on acid look at that head wrap that's failed tape. It does look like take a regal Tate. Your. Eight on ask. Yeah. Take on acid ruling a kingdom after a couple of divorces eighty year old Tate. Yeah. That's where. Well, that's what they used to do. But look up John, Wayne as Genghis Khan. That's even dumber because they didn't even didn't even change anything, including the way. Talk like, John, Wayne, we're gonna go out there. We're gonna fuck up these Russians. He talked literally like John Wayne, but he was dressed like a for fucking hat on. Oh, so dumb other. See it. How how when they made that movie where they like this is it this is it. They didn't know everything sucked. I'm everything did kind suck a few la- gone with the wind like, whoa. What did they do? They're a few movies. Citizen Kane like you're like, wow, this one doesn't suck. Yeah. I got lost in the fill there. I guess I mean, the the likeness is a little thing to now. Imagined look at that beard for playing like a fucking sheriff and some wide west wild west town to Gingas Kahn Hollywood was so whitewashed. It really really was. Well, they knew back then if they did a John Wayne movie, they would sell a million tickets. You know, that's really what the what the thing is aspect of that is still going on and go on, you know, and I sort of I don't know if you feel the same way, I get it to a certain point like when you go out in the comedy clubs, and there's like a YouTube influenced her booked on a weekend. You're just like f Chuck, but then you're like, well, I kind of get it from a business standpoint. If they're filling the rooms I did a gig in Arizona once and they had a daytime gig booked from YouTube influence her they packed this place out at eleven AM with like twelve year old kids as fans, Bert Kreischer. Yes, it was it was a Bert Kreischer day show. He didn't hold shirt off. It was a crop top a halter birth. Does those day shows he he'll do radio. And then we'll do a show like noon for people that don't have jobs. It's like work call in sick to work or something else. They call it something like that. Yeah. Call in sick to work day. Yeah. Yeah. So funny that ladies wanted to to him. He's looking slim. Yeah. That is slim for Burke, that's only like nineteen months pregnant. Yeah. That's a protrusion in a smart eight-year-old in valley eight-year-old inside of them to take his shirt. He takes his shirt off in the OR. Now every time I used to take a shirt off only in the main rooms like, well or assured. Now, I know decided no more of that. Does it come off all every show? Right. Went on. It takes his shirt off decide when that happens. I wonder like is there a moment. Just right. That's how you do it. Pre pre Mike grab or grabs the Mike. Well. His body is a source of pride. He enjoys the fruits of his labor. Yeah. And his. Appetite for indulgence. I don't know if it's body as much as it is a building. It's a body. People know what's his body? They know is the party animal. And they go. All right. It's bert. Fuck. You is he's fun. It is a lot of fun. It's article that was written about that like talking about. I was reading these. This guy was like talking about how hilarious it was it. It's a party definitely has a party. He is an animal. And sometimes, you know, I mean, there's the opposite. Where people are just kind of quiet on stage. Laugh, just by taking off my shirt. I think I'd go for it. Why not start off with a? But now, the problem is I think Bert owns it. Which is weird. You know, like he's like you think he should have some like a little bit of a feeling about it. No lucky owns it. Like if I wanted to go up and take your shirt off people go, would you copying? That's a good point. Doing. He's the only comic de robing every time. But there's some weird ones like that. Bobby Bobby Lee takes his pants off. I mean, I've seen that that weenie weenie a few times winking at me from the green rooms of the companies probably not tell people that we're stopped doing it people. Probably get mad. Yeah. He can't you can't not do it. They're like take off the shirt jump on a month stage tackle. Yeah. But I mean, there's there's a couple of dudes go clothes clueless their pants in their shirts. But the, but it's weird that that's Birt's thing. It is weird. You're right, though, anybody else were to do it. They would know that that was a Burt situation. There was another one like that. We were just talking about the other night at the comedy store. Like how crazy does it? Someone like took over like a thing. Yeah. A stand up comedian think so does remember remember? Well know what it is. Well, there's like a. There's a comic in New York. Snaps a snap every time. It it. You know Frazier Smith. I love watching Frazier Smith when he's like come on people, these are jokes and he likes. Yeah. It's like a it's like a timekeeper. I like that right rhythm. Yeah. It keeps you in rhythm. It's musical up there. Sometimes if it's going. Goes. Well, it's weird. How people can become like a thing. Like, this is the guy talks about food. I was thinking about that. Like. How what what what comes first in that scenario does it naturally evolve. Or does it happen once and then the person builds around it because it's a crutch? There's there's a fine line between the art in the marketing exactly in who. You know, do your thing. Like, it's a short life. Why not find that little niche that works for you and fucking make that money and have fun and bring some joy to people who gives a fuck. I have a problem with people who talk shit about people going after what they're doing finding a little trick to it who cares. Is it what everybody's doing get tricked? God. That's true. That's true. Fucking trick. Can't believe this shit. I'm not. I remember those this lady who reviewed video games, she was like talking about video games, and they found a video of her from years earlier saying that she has the play video games. They like. Don't even play video games. You're like evidence. I was like this is this is this is during that whole gamer gate thing might this is evidence that the world has gone mad people arguing over whether or not someone is a real video game player. You're not even a real player you fake play too much time on their hands man too much time, and they get stock in that the stuck in that like web universe will not just out like, yeah. People change like I wasn't playing video games just three months ago. Now Jamie, and Jeff, and I would playing them every we play this quake game. Oh that's game. Jamie. Fuck me up yesterday. He beat his ass in the last one. I did that feel does it feel good is listen, we have fun. We have we talk a lot of ships just going to say, you probably talked a lot of ships loss. No, did you cry? He did fucked me up on this one map that I was very angry at this map because keep falling. That's so what you fall off these suicide. He did a much better job than may. He owned me on the other. I just certain degree when the electoral that one map that we play on. Because when you you do go out you do suicide, but it's not that common that other one is just like every time. I if you're jumping and you don't look behind you. Fuck you, watch yourself fall. Yeah. Explode when you hit the rock. How many times how many times? Fall is some some of the range of thirty not joking. You really are doing it. And here's befallen fuck. Got timid. Fuck this map this map son of a bitch shit, suck godfather suck. What the fuck? And then Jeff's getting good to become problem to fuck me up history too. I think it's good to have like I wish I was good at video games. I'm not I'm not that. What do you wish? Why would you want that skill because I think it's good? It's good like the hand eye coordination and just like, I don't know being able to relax league game fucking Chinook, drone pilots. I do. So what do you think about UFO's one hundred percent real really ever, see one? I did actually see one really I did in New York City. This was years ago. I was walking downtown. I used to bartend at this place called puffy tavern in in Tribeca walk in downtown beautiful sunny day, and as I'm Carson the street. I'm just looking at everybody everyone's looking up like what are these people? Can I look up and there's this like I don't know like a weird oval chrome thing in the sky pretty far up. But you could see what it was. And I was I remember talking to you don't like what is it? And he was videotaping it like, I don't know. We've all been standing here hasn't really moved just kind of suspended in the air. Not a lot of sound at all. And I had to get to work. I'm like, all right. Well, I gotta go make Cocker's for investment bankers. So let me know what happens and I went to the bar, and it was on the news at the bar. And it was just this weird. It looked like like that bullet a little bullet vibrator thing or like a little suppository in the sky. It was like a like a balloon. Yeah. Like almost like a balloon, but a little bit more long gated. Very quiet. It was bizarre blimp. Nah, not like it set upright. It was almost like this was oval shaped. Exactly in the sky, right, but up. Yep. Bizarre. But that was like the only real time. I was like what is that? Huff I've met remember being a little kid thinking that I might have saw something, but I might have just convince myself to SOS board. And also as your memory recalls you recreate doing it was. But what do you remember remember anything? Really? But it was going to say is I've watched this Bob Lazar and area fifty one documentary boy holy shit. If really interesting it's a lot more interested than I thought, I always like to like dismiss a lot of the UFO stuff because the most likes is nonsense is so silly. But my friend Dave Foley, who I treasure. And I value his opinion, very highly. He told me that he started getting obsessed with you, foes, he's at thanks to you obsessed with. Thanks to me. I'm not even a lot of sessions. I'm sure, but when we used to work together on NewsRadio. I was deep in my obsession with UFO's. I was convinced what kicked it off just tearing people's stories if you only had one experience as a kid, I don't even think really did have an experience, I think probably saw jet fly overhead, and like I think that might talk to myself weird that you had an obsession not based off of your own experiences are yeah, I've always been super super obsessed with space. Yeah. I had a really good teacher in seventh grade science, and I remember he said if you really wanna make your brain hurt just look up and try to imagine something that has no end. Ravers has no end. Just you. Can't you want to hurt your head? Just look up at the sky and understand. There's no end to this doesn't make any sense as McGuinness because everything else in life and existence has a finality to it. Every single thing we think, but this guy when he planted that shit in my head. I remember thinking, wow, I never even thought of that before like I just looked at the stars. And it'll be like, oh, there's a stars. They look cool. All there's the moon. I I want to go to Connecticut. Don't kid the perspective of like, the vast -ness of. But when I was thirteen this guy said that thirteen maybe fourteen no twelve twelve somewhere in that range seventh or eighth grade. You just starting at rain remember him saying that to me and then being obsessed with space after that obsessed like one thing that that the teacher said I was immediately. Like what like there was one of the first cool things ever heard at school. Someone cool when he was a cool teacher. He was a Vietnam vet. There was a couple of guys that were Vietnam. Vets that were super scary. They're scary. It's good to have a teacher like that though. So many like that whole thing like, our our education system really feels a student sometimes, but have teachers who invoke curiosity out of children who actually care and have a, you know, interesting curriculum that they bring to the table. I only had a couple teachers like that that I can really remember. But I think three the three teachers really remember like. Wow. That lady was so nice to have your entire schooling. Yeah. Same really cool misled one was my first grade teacher in she'd have as lineup outside of her door. And she always at a pop collar, shall we smelled good always at a pot collar, and when you'd walk in her classroom, if you had a collar she'd pop it everybody's setting class on the puck collar. Larry brought this like challenge like it. Just we felt like we were little clan in there like the misled win clan. That's what it was like when did you know that you wanted to be a comedian early early on like eight years old? I was young. It was entertaining. My sister, no show. But I didn't know that I could make a career out of it. Because where I grew up. There wasn't those like outlets. You know, we didn't have like a theater or any sort of cultural exposure that I could, you know, adhere to and just like, okay, cool. I'm going to be no gay people. Thank you know, gay people. They were hiding because they didn't want to be murdered. L O L L O L J K. How old were you? When you first went on stage nineteen. Oh, yeah. I was nineteen years old. I thought you had to wait until twenty one. I didn't realize afterwards that you can get into a bar as a performer you don't drink. Yeah. There was this cool place called the Cantabrian which is a Boston right Bill. You know, you know, about about it Cambridge area had this bar called the can tap lounge in downstairs there was this little performance space called the third rail. And I used to do improv for like six months, and then one of the is like you should try stand up. You might you might like it interested in Cambridge. We're doing. Yes. That's right. Started stand up. And this was an a I was nineteen. I'm thirty six now doing them. I can't do that Mathis would your the scientists. I'm the doctor. I don't have time to do math after two calculations about the size of the stethoscope. I can't do the math. Nine nineteen eighteen I don't know what year it was twenty nine thousand twenty twenty two years ago two thousand six holy twenty three years ago. What eight years ago fuck you were bad at math, just like me. Well, it was whatever that movie counting just making number was. So you're thirty six now as an HR stand up when you were nineteen almost twenty years ago almost twenty. Yeah. Yeah. And my dad was actually have on tape. You have it onto the first time. I ever did stand up. I did I fucked me up for months to to fuck me up for month wanted. I think I could do this. In like, it was just everything you could imagine. It was new was. It was all the things. It was just all the little glimpses clumsiness fast in not rooted in like a narrative about my life. It just was sort of a a reflection of what I saw essentially you go up there, and you imitate something until you have your own voice for the most part for sure, but I have it on tape. And I'll never forget, you know, we even videotaped afterwards. My dad came out from Syracuse to watch it my dad, he's he since passed in October when he came out and user for my I stand up show, and he's like babe, you're going to be fine. Do my dad's not in the industry. He doesn't know shit students. Like, you know, he sold real estate in bartend like he wasn't like in the entertainment industry. But he's like babe you're gonna be fine. You're great because you've got high energy. He's going to be fine because you're up there, and you got high energy that's on the people like all, right? Okay. Dead. So I just kind of always thought about that like aspect of it like just my physicality and not feeling embarrassed by it. Did you ever said your dad? Hey, what about Steven right? Yeah. You know, he definitely he liked comedians like that my my one of my dad's favorite comics was a Stanhope. He loves Stanhope on forget, I did a show a Stanhope in Syracuse actually in my dad was sitting next to me will we're watching Stanhope and he leaned over. He was like man the mind on this guy is like one of the brightest brightest people I've ever heard in my life Dutch, get out more. He well, he's he's in a grave now. He's only a ghost. He's probably a drunk ghost at some girl's house right now. Because he can't find mine Stanhope is getting ready to film, another special. Yeah. Very excited watch. Yeah. It's going to be great. Santa was he's he's like, the I don't always like the equalizer when it comes to what's going on in society. It just has a way of being like, boom. This is what's going on with gun control? And with people being offended, by terminology and words, here's why it's ridiculous. He's good like that. Well, he works. You know, me he's a guy that he and he works on his own schedule. He decides when to write when to perform when a tour went to do and his always like, I might just fucking retire. And then right back at it. You special coming out next year? He's always he's always working. He's always working. He has his own doctor. Yeah. He's he's amazing. I love watching him. Glad he's out there because he's like he's basically an older version of the guy he was like twenty plus years ago. Notley his not changed at all other than like become more wacky. Yeah. Was fucking goofy. Suits. Fucking suits every time. I see. But here's the thing. Like, that's one of the things. Like, he owns the sucks. Just gonna say. You can wear the suit you wear goofy suit like a really shitty suit like Stanhope. Peach-colored suit with ruffles. He wearing right here. Loafers like old man from Caddyshack. He looks like he used to sell cars twenty years ago and kept the outfit and Frazier. Smith's long lost cousin? He looks like a toast. Toledo. Cousin from Toledo sells cars, he looks like a ghost from the Titanic. He rents out clowns. Shoes. Either rockstar shoes put near right? That's his. That's his thing. Yeah. This is look no one can suits, and he's been rocking. This look for quite a while. Now like he used to dress like a normal person semi. I mean, there was there was always a level of of eccentric. Replace his entire wardrobe for forty dollars. Three. Yeah. I mean, you could get that jacket for two dollars. It's amazing then finds a mall that seemed to be tailored. Like he gets a fraud. He takes these things. He'd takes these shitty fabrics to like a real high end Taylor, and he has them like swim fit it, and he gets them for ten z finds them. He find someone will be definitely get some nice tailored. Sure. A bum jacket. Sure. It's not bombed though. It's all nice, and no, it is nice and clean. But I'm saying it looks like a bum that struck it rich real quick like he got money fast. Didn't know what to do. So we just bought the same suits but cleaner Nova bum struck routes. They'd be wearing like the finest things really on the windows. Those department stores are on the outside. If you go in a garbage bag to Prada. Yeah. Yeah. Once you got on your feet and cleaned up and stuff days to get used to the fact that you're rich. Now, I don't know if I'd be able to obviously, I don't have a knack fashion. I'm in like king, stir hillbilly overall outfit works. I don't know if I'd be able to like just know what to wear after being homeless for so long. I you got to kick the heroin and the piss stained shirt you to kick all that. Yeah. You gotta clean your body up. You got two hundred billion dollars in the Bank now Claude. Let's I'm saying there's a little bit of a process, you know, you're not going from like shit stained shorts to Gucci pants while most people don't even make it. You know, like when when people win money in a lottery down, always spend it, all or go crazy. We I don't think people get adjusted to that idea that all of a sudden boom, somebody just drops off a giant chunk of change. If you got inheritance money from grandpa. Yeah. Million dollars. Like, you're going to burn through. Most people don't even think it's reserved for homeless people. I mean like rappers athletes comedians. It's it's like it goes back to our education system. We're not financial responsibility in high school. We should be it doesn't matter. If you teach comedians financial. Most of us are not going to follow cloudy. Cloudy. Also, I wanted to just at least have something save for the future. Because I knew that about myself that I did not know enough. So I started a save some do a little bit of googling for every Kevin Hart who has like real knowledge about finances as like four dudes like me. What's going on like a custom Jim in sixteen cars on the way? How many time for but do you like that? Like what as a woman are indulgences are like going to the spa or maybe shopping like what's your thing? Like on a day off. What do you do that brings you joy? It is a is a commercial legal material material thing, obviously like your cars cars, but I enjoy I'm a big fan of engineering like I love mechanical things like thing. My favorite car have this car that doesn't have any power steering doesn't have air conditioning, and it's got an air cooled engine. It's one of my favorite cars. What is it what? Which the nineteen ninety three Porsche are s it's a really light car. It's not really even that fast is fast like a modern. It's definitely not fast compared to my tesla. Tesla is the craziest fucking car I've ever driven by far every other car seems stupid dumb. It's the model. S? I was just one that. Yeah. Well fucking. Preposterous. How fast cars and just technology on it? Does it also have auto? Oh, yeah. Already drives does everything. How does that work? Like if you're driving down the highway if you set up auto does it legitimately go to your destination? You have to hit this little thing to switch lanes to see that you wanna Switzerland's middle. Switch Switzerland's for you. We'll drive with the speed of traffic so to slow down when traffic slows down speed up and traffic speeds up it turns. It makes perfect turns. It's crazy. So could you just be now let it go really shouldn't. But just as you probably could you hold your hand on the steering wheel. Like, you're supposed to have light pressure on the steering wheel. Apparently, some crazy fucks have. That's what it looks like on the screen. Wow. They just updated it like last week. Yeah. The updated to recognize stop lights that is. So I mean, the future is now that is so why bun Anna's, but someone told me, I don't know if it's true. And it's responsible for me to even say. It. But I'm gonna say it do it. This is your podcast. You're looking at your go. Crazy. Someone said that you can bypass the touch sensors on the steering wheel. That knows if you're holding onto the steering wheel with a tennis ball these shove a tennis ball in there. And if you do that, you just go to sleep and the fucking. Well, you know what? Modern Darwinism we'll take care of the rest. I hope not. We'll do dine his either. But people do dumb things all the time. But there's a difference between those kind of cars in the cars that I really liked. I like these mechanical cars, they feel you feel the gears like see. This guy's got a tennis ball always gonna to orange. Oh shit in there. He's got a little citrus. See citrus works for driving as well. As getting rid of bacteria. Yeah. He debunked Tesla's autopilot, orange hack. Oh, he debunked. It. Oh to see if it worked or not. I see it seems like it's working. It does look like it's working. So they might explain it makes you hold onto it like every now, and then it doesn't make you hold onto it all the time as it should failed failed. It actually does work that way. I mean, how on in your life that you can't I enjoy driving? I enjoy the mechanism of it. I enjoy where my mind goes. I like blast at my music. I may or may not hit a joint may or may not allegedly probably not. But you know, I enjoy driving. Well, I do too. But I think if there was a button that you press. That you and say you drive, the car just drives you hit that all the fucking time. Most of the time when you're in traffic, you just don't wanna deal you especially in L A airport. I get up in the morning, and I just hate that hit that button. Let's go bitch. Plus at button, barely pay attention tap. Dash it. Yeah. See that's there's certain situations where it would be useful. Definitely. But when you're driving like say, if you're driving in a canyon, and you know, like you're up these hills and driving around these like, beautiful scenic places you want to be driving like a little sports crawl the manual transmission? We feel it grabbing the wheel and hugging the corners. Person feel like he he can add that to the tesla. No, why not feel the gears. You won't feel the finding you won't feel the shifting of the oh, the gear yourself doesn't have any gears like there's so many oral experiences you'd have to be lying to me about first of all here's one the revving of the engine like when you get up to red line when you're shifting gears like by. Dan, is it sound that a especially a really well engineered German car has when they hit those high revs, it's just a it's a symphony of coordinated mechanics as all bland man and shifting and then you really the fuck and you blip on the downshift like on the downshift. You do what's called he'll Toan. Will you got one foot on the brake and you go like this wrong? So that as you're going from third to second you give it a little extra juice. So that your engine rpm catches up with where the gear is going to be when you get into second gears going Rev hires. What? And you're all this like a coordinated effort. All these things are happening. It's not just like sitting there with an orange on your steering right now and around is there something else going on? I just came in my pants from that whole description of. It'd be made fart sound. But here's the thing. It doesn't matter. If you make the sound, I I wanna feel the shift take push the no Jamie, Jimmy, you're pushing your foot into the clutch. You're putting the thing into. It's a mechanical action. You can't fake that. No. You can't LAN. I bet you could face not going to listen, if he did it would be less. Good than what he has what he's got is better than any other car. Right. Because it was a basic level of driving. It's not, you know, you're not interactive with shifting and everything which is probably the fun of having a car where you can actually drive it manually while there's feeling. Things first of all with his car. They don't have any gears. It's just one gear. It doesn't shift. It doesn't change. Bizarre. It doesn't hit a red line. And then you have to move to third gear. Right. Or does it self? It just has one gear. And then on top of that, it has his giant navigation screen. I mean, it's huge fucking thing. You've ever seen in your life. It's like fourteen inches tall. Right. And then on top of that. It's got like all these safety features. It's looking at things and warning you about this and shows you all the cars are around you as you're driving like having my mom in the front seat. Sounds like just get something over there. Something here watch out for that hunts. Like, all right. Shut up your mom was psychic. And she just sending it to your brain. That's what it's like showing it, right? It shows. It doesn't like say everything, but doesn't have like a fart machine in there. I read that there's like a fart machine in the in the Tesla's what you should read more. Well, what what because it's a fart sound that it can make if you want it to right? So when people fart machine do pharmacy would make actual farts. Well, it makes a fart noise though. Right. Yes. Right. So I mean, essentially, it's a far machine just not like a well known defect mechanics machine. It was machine, but there's like the yes, that's great. That's there's enough for me to tesla kinds of farts. What you can have like wet farts short little tiny, farts, hookworm farts. Hookworm for far would smell like rotten fish it. Carcass, some dead worms inside your body. But like a river soaked carcass, have you ever seen an animal? You have a lot of dogs he ever seen animals shit out worms. No. And I definitely don't want to. But now the images just vivid in my mind of many times like how many firms are we talking all like worms coming out of there. But like you look in there, but you see like little worms. Yeah. You ever seen that it's super communist crazy? They have they have pets so many dogs in my life. That's what is that mean that they're like not normal dogs. I haven't had them crap out worms. Well, they probably didn't get de wormed. They didn't get there. Right. Right. Rescue dogs for you know, the de worming stuff takes place when I was a kid dog had it, and I remember watching like little worms come out of her. But I was like. Little white worms wiggly. Our butts house. What in the fuck is this? Well, nature's weird man. There's something feeding on everything there's an organism feeding on an organism. That's all. This is just organisms feeding on each other one big fuck fest organisms, we're Leach fest. Yeah. It is a Leech fast. These things fucked. You think those parasitic worms fuck? No. They just probably separate. They probably just, you know, they just divide themselves. There's no sex happening there. Like it's leaking. Fuck did you see the python that they found in the middle of the Everglades? It was seventeen feet long. My I was so I grew with it. I saw this is one of things I was talking about exotic pets. I googled it. They get to thirty feet long. I understand that. That is ridiculous. This that I went down a hole. Oh, I did. I saw python. Whole the wreck records seventeen foot long python carrying seventy three eggs caption floors Everglades. Another reason we should just get rid of flu. Snap it off and push it into the ocean. There's too much craziness happening there. The fucking snake. Now, here's the thing that freaked me out a fan of those snakes get twice that length. So this is only been going on apparently for like the last fifteen or so years they apparently didn't have a real population of pythons in the Everglades fifteen years ago. It's somebody's pet get loose that thing at seventy Seventy-three exit. Oh, no, it didn't get loose some asshole just released his snake. Right. I'm gonna just chucked it out the window. And then it fucks up the balance of the ecosystem the escape from a breeding facility destroyed by hurricane. Andrew nineteen Ninety-two that makes sense one hundred percents. Our movie starts. That is great horror movie. Somebody write that script sins of thousands of Burmese pythons estimated now be living in the area. And that's just now they've completely wiped out all the raccoons all the skunks all the rabbits. Yeah. They're eating alligators. Now. Nice those things eat alligators dance video to see. The dude naked. There's a photograph of one that died because the alligator chewed its way out of its body. Nature is so Maruto nature is so damn ruthless. But there's some beauty in that ruthlessness. Just just that like undying desire for survival that exists in creatures like that that can't. There's no empathy. There's no sympathy. They're just going to eat their way out of you to survive. There's something cool about as long as it's not your five year old kid gets snatched. Absolutely. That's goddamn nightmare this show. This. But this is for you guys. So is this one this is this is eating video look at that one. I think this is an Anaconda and Cayman says python eats alligator alive. It's the whole thing alive. Is that a python for sure? Yeah. It seems like it is it seems like it is that's actually a video of me eating grilled cheese. Into a look at. It is sped up. A look how it gets all the way down to the fucking tale. That is amazing. I wonder if snakes have taste buds, or if it's just for pure hunger to just stop and think about what we're looking at here. This fucking snake just ate a whole alligator there goes a tale. Oh, my body. And it's just God it down look at that. It's got to go away chill because they're vulnerable when they eat that he's got to go and just hide hide under a canopy. Well, that's why there's snakes everywhere on earth. Well, now there are in Florida. You have it. I mean, they're not everywhere because if they really could just eat and then go out and eat again like real quickly what how a line could. Right. It would be. It would eat all the ecosystem would be destroyed everything where the alligator chewed its way out. Also, kind of bad acid that alligator looks like the tail popped out. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe the tail because those tales are very strong in there. So thick armor, go to that website. That's why. She's is really wild. But that's just shows you how hungry these fucking things. Are they've eaten everything that's out there. But also their masters their their ability to capture something and then kill it that that vicious Brennan alligator like those are kind of hard to sneak up on and capture and hold onto a don't think they are. I think that's one of the reasons why it could get it. So quick I think they just lay around most of the time. I think alligators don't tweak because they don't have any natural gas until the pythons came along because there's bad ass. Yeah. I don't think they're equipped for this. Yeah, they probably not equipped for your pyrite, whether just their the the snake found of owner ability in the system he like I'm gonna snack on alligators. How long it? Takes a snake with this nasty gut juices to breakdown alligator hide three three three days three to four days. That's my guess I'm gonna say at least a week to break down all that. Maybe even longer. Yeah. It's got to have some. Charlie lake acid acids and its stomach to break that down some shit like from the movie alien, yes, like battery acid just burns right through it. Why aren't we using snake acid to breakdown rust on cars and stuff? We should be looking into that would clean up everything up everything and the animated recreation of the python alligator battle suggests that the python might have survived its massive meal. But that a second gator came to the rescue and bit off the snake's head. Oh was that. The alligators bitch being like, no before of the tussle. The new theory says is what caused the python. Whoa. So alligator came fucked him eight alligator homey came in rescue any homeys, really no assholes, they're assholes with tiny little brains, and they just chewed things and suck them down. They just fuck reptilian style. Did you ever see that video of the crocodiles, and they go to feed them, and it was on my Instagram Jamie that one with the crocodile? This nation goes to throw some chicken out for the crocodiles and crocodile snap up the chicken and one crocodile reaches over to the guy next to him and bites his leg, but it's the crocodiles leg and his roles. Snaps it off and sit down swallows it and the other alligator the other crocodile, rather doesn't even budge you got his arm. Bit off is like what happened? Oh, my fuck this. You realize what these things are? They don't give a fuck there. It's so crazy to watch. Their dining doesn't even freak out that it's armed got bitten off and swallowed by his name. I will say if I mean and really delicious sandwich, and someone bites me I'm gonna be like, I'm just gonna finish the sandwich. I have to be honest. How long are you if you're very hungry? Well, he's not even finished. He's lying there and the other allies or the crocodile bites his leg, and then rips it off watch this that shit just watch it boom now wash they run in see this one's snacking up grabs it watch gator rolled snaps. It off. Talks down go. But look at him. He doesn't even do anything. What the fuck, bro? He just lost his leg. And he's like what the fuck, bro. I mean, those are not regenerative. Right. They can he grow another Pau. Whoa. Yeah. They they grow other pause all the time. That's that is so wild when some gator DNA face. I bet you that's really good for just like keeping your shit fresh or you look like scales. You want that that'd be kind of cool forever scales? I'd be a superhero, I could probably capitalize on it. Does what you look like. Right. Just skills to your face into their right now. I'm not gonna wear any Rouge. I got scales. I'm gonna go out some girl had to be the first girl to get a face tattoo. You could be the first girl get scales. Probably some probably a really longtime ago. Somebody's got a face tattoo. Well, mostly tribal most likely tribal, maybe like one of those pollyannas tribes. What is this, Jamie? That looks like a snake alligator inside of it. It does take three days for it to break down. Scientists doctors coming into your lane better watch out. I'm Dr Anna scientist. To know about gut acid. I know about acids because I'm a talion. I've got AGA. Ogden forever. He does a real thing. That's science. That's the science was good. The fucking on genetic know. You know meatballs. They give me the Geneva. You know, what's crazy about the Everglades is if this is how it is. Now, imagine what it's going to be like twenty years from now on these things. Just keep breeding. Yeah. It's gonna take it's gonna take a few generations for that to balance back out. They need to put some wolves in that area and get it all back to where it should be have crocodiles in their no two. There's been confirmed sightings of Nile crocodiles not American crocodiles Nile crocodiles for the same reason. That's wild or the alligators are that's fucked. Yeah, it's fucked because those are the ones that eat zebras and shake everything. They're going to be watched. Hide your kids. Hide your wife. They don't definitely they'd be raping everybody. Remember that guy? He I mean, he is. I'm saying he found a lane. And may he capitalized off of that little moment. We differ a little bit. Yeah. For a hot minute. And now, we know who he is by just saying phrase, I met him. You did one of the US's. Oh, that's wild. How was he a gentleman or super confused about his life is going on here? And everybody knows me like. He went from being just a regular guy talking about a break ins. Yeah. He was on the news. They interviewed a dude on the news. He was so funny that became a viral star and the Knicks. Dana white flew him out to the UFC hanging out with a backstage. That's hilarious. Like, what is this life? Wow. How about that cash outside girl? She is a she's rapper. She's like twenty million followers on Instagram toot, and she's rapid because giant billboard on sunset buildings where they of the whole thing about body. Bad baby, bad, Bobby bad city video. Video blue. But you know, when I sometimes when I work out, I put female rapper station on Spotify. She pops up look it here. It was here. Living your truth. Hold on a second, formerly gay. Yep. Antoine dots. And announces his baby boy's birth after expressing his desire to get married. Confusing headline but live it do it formally. Well, you know, he looks great there. You should be open to change people who should be. Do you think that someone can be gay? And then that it could switch over. Absolutely. And they stop being gay and they start being attracted to women. Absolutely. Why not we're we're on a dot suspended and nothing that's expanding. A why not not so stunning to think? Right. Like, what is that possible? Because I think what you just said people exist. Some people exists in these comfortable bubbles, and they have the routines, and they fear change because of the exhaustion because of what it takes. And then when they hear somebody else live in a life that's outside of their little bubble regimen. They freak out because maybe it reflects their own inability to change themselves or their fear of changing. So I think a lot of that where people like, you know, look at someone like Antoine Dodson who's in a wig, and whereas glib gloss or like what's that? I don't know. That's a wig. That's hurtful real hair trigger. You harrison. Same here is beyond say. Real. I think the same thing when I wake up his real too, by the way, that's a real woman. Okay, respect. Yeah. Better watch out. Those hips will snap. You can you can turn on people that way by bringing something up that they didn't even say and then saying don't ever fuck and say anything about her, right? But I didn't like what are you talking about? All of a sudden, you're on defensive be careful people like that. I know what you're going to say next. You're gonna say, yes, that's mental. Illness are going to say that Donald Trump is a strong leader. I'm going to say that you're like, wait a minute. You're going to say that we need border security. I know what the fuck doing racist. Like, no, no. You're just trying to have a conversation. Here. We need some port security. Don't we? Got to go down that wormhole with crazies. Did you ever see what the border looks like in Canada the middle of the forest? I would imagine like maple syrup fountains. No, that's paved. It's like not paved. It's it's like trimmed all the trees are trimmed and. Concede wide. There's like a path that's one hundred yards y that is like the border between us like say. If this table was like barren right forest on this side force. And that's that's what the path is like the entire length of the connection between the United States and Kansas. It's tricky that's trippy. Also, did you just call me paren-? No. It didn't say it's barren. Like true, probably that's wild. Have you seen it in person? I just found out about two weeks ago. That's really cool crocodiles apparently can't regret their limbs. Oh, that's a bummer. You sure look that even other fibia NHS Cambe crocodiles. And alligators can't I guess they're gonna live without a limit to it says, but they can't regrows tens of you would think they would because you would think like genetically similar like salamanders? I'm not the scientists here. Well, well, we we knew art because he said you weren't here of scientists either. Of something though. It sounds good. Your doctor of comedy there's a path that just looks like a power line to now looks like cocaine it like a big line. No no touch zone. I have no touching zone zone right there. That's my that's all my zones. Isn't that? Crazy. That's the border between the us. If you go up there that is God's country that is spectacular. I would love to blaze a blunt and walk that whole fucking thing. It'll freak you out. Do you ever go hiking deepen where you got no cell phone reception? And you get to not like where it's that deciduous. But like in you know, like chew deciduous second big. I am somewhat. Well, read I'm fucking doctor forgot you were a doctor doctor doctor of something. Your doctor of I feel you're a doctor of comedy for sure. We'll have it though. There's no there's no, I know there's no mastery you and I've talked about this before. And you know, I said something like, I don't know you were like house comedy. I'm like, I'm just trying to figure it out. You're like none of us ever will. I I'm not saying that like you're the end of it. But I think I was watching you on stage at the comedy store in Hinchcliffe was next to me. And you know, you're doing your set killing and having to have a great show in this woman yells out in the middle of joke, and you just kept fucking going. You are so disciplined you didn't miss a beat. You didn't acknowledge her? You didn't give her any sort of energy attention. You just were so like in your joke, and I just looked at Tony. And he was like, I know everybody else would have went to her avait know, totally just like abandoned their joke in messed up the flow. But you just in that day. I was like damn I need I need to stick to my jokes. More than like indulging people who are yelling at me from the south. Sometimes you have to go. And sometimes they are also going to ruin it for the people around them. That's number one thing to like people go, you you just can't fuck can hang like people have said that Krista Leah this lady called him. What did she say? She goes, you're a planner not a comedian a real comedian can deal with someone yelling something out. Like, okay. Let's shut the fuck up and get out there, and they kicked her out. And that was her thing that you're a planner that I'll text Kristalina nowhere. You're fucking planner, bro. He's such a planner comedians of the most unorganized. People ever anything. They're the worst planners. Sometimes you have to address them. Sometimes do the real problem is that they're they're fucking it up for the people around them. They think they're just they're interacting with you. But they not take into consideration. The fact that even if you don't like what someone saying let them say it because there's three hundred other fucking people in the room, and you don't get to the site. You're not the program director, right? Don't get to decide what you like don't like just because you're in front of that person. Yell something out if the whole audience is sitting there watching the performance and the guys working his way through some material there or the woman, by the way, sorry. Let them fucking finish their shit, man. Do you find you have which gender yells out more? Or is it equal? Oh, it's equal. It's just dumb. Equal men to women. Almost women. Yeah. I'd say for me it's been like ninety five percent women. I think I'd probably say. Maybe there's a little bit of a an advantage in a little bit of a number difference in favor of men doing it. Obviously, you probably have more male dominated audience than I would guys bring their girlfriends girlfriends like fuck him. You listening to always listening to him. He's a fucking it. He asked what he really believe what he's saying Nuff people. Just listen, you can get confused and think you know, what the fuck you're talking about. That's what he is. That's exactly what he is just because a lot of people are listening to him. 'cause I mean, he knows what the fuck. He's talking about worship. And like, oh my God. Do you love him? Are you in a bromance going, you should be embarrassed? I don't give a fuck what Joe Rogan a man bringing that up. God. He's anything. Disgusting. He's very angry. He looks like a man ape. Also, the appeal is that you look like a Manny. Well, I'll get it CAL's. I don't wanna listen to fucking Taylor swift songs either. I get it. My car. She's like haters gonna hate you rock out to tailor a few songs that are not bad. You've got daughters in your house. I know you dance swift. I probably have been hammered. The thing is it's like, it's not my thing. It's not like what I would listen to all the time. It's not my go to you know, and people have different go To's doesn't make it right or wrong. But if you get dragged into someone else's Goto, you got a grand Barrett ever anybody ever take you to a musical Jesus fucking Christ. It's it's it's a thing. I went I went to like three musicals one of them. I only went to stay most was in it due to do. Josie may might have a bit of a stock issue. John. Stalker. I am not stalking is a very nice, man. He reached out to me when my father passed. He was very nice to me. He sent a message. He was very very nice all joking aside. If you do about one hundred Photoshop of you with John stamos in various positions in bed all a plane together on vacation. I'm sorry. Caitlyn? Hugh. My fans my fans make you know, they superimposed me. I find a photo of his it's funny. And I'm like put me in this. There's what he posted a picture of him on bed like from like full house era house like somebody put me on the bed. To I always apologized to his wife child. I mean for the most part joke. Joke. But it's a long running joke that you've been doing for years. Now, you kidding me? Like, I loved him as a kid, and I told this story before, but I have I had a poster of him above my bed as a kid that I literally kissed so much. I wore a hole in his mouth. Don't you be? Joe rogan? Completion. Did you eight through the paper? You looking at. Doing all of the things in kind of the things. Yeah. But I went to a musical. He was in. Bye, bye birdie, very delightful, very talented, man. And then I went to a couple of others, but they are I fell asleep and the other one's the ruthless. They are it's in the intermission kills me. It's like why don't we just get it done? Let's just go straight through. I think I would have liked to see the book of Mormon. That's like. Oh, yeah. You know? That's that's the that's the exception. Arsov is awesome. Yeah. I would imagine they're geniuses. Those guys are geniuses. Just really well. Read to a really well written rather? It's really funny. It's a really good story information in there. They obviously did their homework, but I saw cats once when I was on a date. I was pulling nineteen fuck that fuck cats in general who I guess they're scary in real life. Why you want to go see him sing? And they're standing upright. That's a nightmare. You're a dog person. Not a campers. I I would like a hairless cat thinks. I think they're cool the shit in a box in your house. Perfect. So do I I'm I'm gonna change my toilet to be Roman fucking shit book. Yeah. They shouldn't have bucks. But that's. It's a great thing to grow. Sometimes my dogs crap on the carpet, if they're irritable. But cats are weird man cats. I don't know if you can trust a cat. You some cats? You have a couple of cats you you got a fucking zoo. I'm so jealous. I wanna come over and just everything in your house dogs died recently. Oh, I'm sorry. I guess it was probably almost a year. Now, it was Marshall said he didn't understand what was going on. He looks like he's just pure joy in happy all the time. He's the happiest arguments. He's so he brings me joy. I just started following he's so happy all your dog on Instagram. He's my buddy. He's it's so weird. Like, you could see you guys bond. See so affectionate. Do you write them off leash in the morning when you go? Oh, yeah. Yeah. No tickets. You know, he's been he's got take medication taken. But we have caught him with a couple of ticks on them with all that luxuriance hair ticks are probably like. He he loves it though. He never seen anything in his pure joy as that dog running through the canyons. He just loves it. He's so happy. So how do you keep him so clean? I know. You've got that. Like Joe Rogan experience money, but he luxuriance cold water. Well, I mean, everyone else haircut owners have water and I've seen these mangled. They've really don't. And they wonder why they lash out marshals not like for cats when you die. Cats will start eating your face in like sixteen hours dogs weighed about a week that long wait that long about a week. They love you little bit more. They won't you right away. I don't even know if Marshall would eat you. I think you'd wait wouldn't even know what you were probably wouldn't understand it. He would just keep throwing balls at you just rolling them over to you wine. My woke me up yesterday. It was fucking really knowing whining you decides to get up. I got home from the comedy store. I'd like to and then I watched some goofy. I've been on this UFO documentary kick watching you documentaries told you is David dose. I'd say started talking about. So we were talking about that. What were you? Did you have something specific that you saw recently documentary? One of them is air area fifty one Bob Lazar alias area. One and flying saucers it's a some documentary on this guy who claimed that he worked on these alien ships in area fifty one in the nineteen eighties gave bills as time's gone on more of the things that he said if proven to actually be true like what cluding an element that he talked about element one fifteen. I think it was called like organism from outer space Dono an element like a man created element at this carbon. Right. We'll there's an element that they created that he talked about way before it was ever publicized. And he talked about this thing. And then it turned out to be true. He talked. These there's these. Hand monitors that you would put your hand on this thing, and these lines these metal lines would detect the distances in the bones of your fingers the exact distances in everyone is different. It's like a signature thing. And that they could find out if it was you or not you it was trying to go through. So the way they would scan people the bio scan would literally measure the bones and fingers and people said that was worship talked about this in the nineteen eighties. People said it was horsh it, but then later on turned out. No, they did have that in Los Alamos. They did have that in area fifty one. And that this technology was very very advance, very not just very advanced. But very nut. It was not well known at all like very few people did. And this guy was creator of this documentary was very difficult for them to get photos of this hand scanner. But this hand scanner did exist and existed. Exactly as this guy described it in the eighties. I mean that's super progressive for that time. Also that did approve as top secret. Clearance to get to this place. They know that he actually worked there. There's people that worked in the same Los Alamos lab with him. They tried to say never work there. But his names on the manifest, it's very strange. It's like they've tried to erase parts of this guy's past because he he filmed a bunch of their crafts as they were flying around. He knew what days this is the thing that thing right there. You put your hand on that it actually measures the distance of the size and length of your bones that looks like something that's inside of an escape room in LA. I went into this documentary skeptical should I am so done with all those things. But listen to this guy talk for a while after a while. I was like what if he's telling the truth like what if he's actually telling the truth because if he's actually telling the truth, there is some part of the government that had access at least in the nineteen eighties to alien technology. I mean. Is it probably is some truth to that crazier things have happened in. Also, like just your mentality of believing him is probably the same thing that made Dr Malachi Lovejoy Robinson, the third become successful call artist. Yeah. I mean, either this dude there's validity what he's saying in this documentary, which I can't wait to watch. Or he's just really great at painting a pitcher some people are so good at convincing. You of truths. True. There's, you know, people with like borderline personality disorder in every sort of spectrum in between there. They become really good manipulators. That is true. However, usually they do that in more than one avenue absolutely in. This guy's not doing that. Yeah. A documentary. Then also hasn't varied a story. I mean, he might have changed. The way says things in terms of like the words each uses. But the actual story is exactly the same as he was telling a long time ago is the self produced documentary or is there a production company? Oh, that's where he was like, okay. There's probably some validity to this. This guy's been around for a long time. I remember reading about him and watch videos about him, you know, twenty years ago. I mean, don't you think you're somebody who you said, you, you know, and I noticed about you, you you love space. You're you're obsessed with that the idea of what we are in in the solar system and beyond like, how impossible's to think that there could be a creature that could breach our atmosphere with some advanced technology and be able to sort of chill. You know, scoot around scoot, scoot, Sma gut's, check us out and fucking piece out backup to wherever they're. That's how they do. What you're saying? Exactly. They scoot, schools moods. Yeah. They just kind of cruise around, you know, they're looking at us what he had an interest in college since he said if you brought a. An atomic engine to these people that live in the Victorian era and said, hey, this is this is a nuclear power plant like here here check this out. They would fuck with it. They'd wind up getting sick from radiation. They'd wind up dying. Noah would understand what it was or how it worked? They would never figure it out. Right. He goes, why would we assume that this is only from that one time with this one device? Why would we assume that there'd be some other technology that maybe we'll create some day in the future? I'm paraphrasing him, very poorly or someone else from another planet would create that we wouldn't understand at all. And he said, that's what we were dealing with. When we're trying to back engineer, the propulsion systems that these things use the they use some gravity based propulsion system. And it was something that would manipulate gravity in front. It's very like, I don't I'm too stupid to know the science of it. I don't know if he's like if you scientists you're supposed. To know these. Joseph Rogan degree. So I can call. You should just want to get an honorary one. Let Cosby head. It's gone. Now, he doesn't have anybody. They can take back. Back. You can't keep those. He can keep that. Actually, I think he wrote an essay. And that's how they gave him his doctorate. I up more than one doctorate. I'm sure he did. And he didn't it didn't deserve them. But I think I mean, there's gotta be stuff out there on the percent. One hundred percent. I I like to say there's not it's like stop. You think? There's just no, no. I don't think it is. But it is entirely possible. I use that phrase too often, it's entirely possible. You gotta get a mash up of all of those. Four hundred fifty thousand eight of them. Possible. Where the where the most advanced that's too because something has to be the most advanced. Absolutely. And something has to be the least we could also be on that part of the spectrum. Or maybe we're the last two we've all one hundred percent one hundred percent possible. If there's if there's an infinite number of life forms out there like there's an infinite number planets and an infinite number of earth-like planets that can, you know, have beings like us on it. Who's to say that we're not the most advanced maybe they're all like people from the eighteen twenties. There's still caught up to link shit. They're still doing, you know. Chiseled tone in chisels, but I'm talking like old old shit. They don't even have pens and papers, yet, the Iraqi tank fishing with a spirit. Exactly, there's just a bunch of advanced a ring attains that are like, you know, putting hieroglyphics in caves, it's possible. It is very possible totally possible. But because we're just we're just basing it off of our own experience. And perception of what we have been exposed to. The other really interesting scenario is that their time travelers. Oh, really? That's exciting. They are is some being from the far distant future that understands that it could come back and observe us. And see like where things went wrong where things went right, but do so in a way, that's is minimally intrusive as possible and occasionally interfere. That's things that gives me chills. That freaks me out. Once you start fucking with time in our perception of it, and how it exists in like being able to hop along that spectrum it freaks me should the fuck out. There's this movie I saw called a ghost story, and it's not a horror movie, it's kind of about Patrick Swayze. It's the Casey Affleck in Ruina Mara, I think Rooney Rooney Mara. It's. So let's go st-. I miss Patrick Swayze so much. I miss him. He's one of those actors I love if you could bring Patrick Swayze back and take away your full house. Boy. How dare you? What's his name? Again. Joseph Nathaniel Rogan. I don't know. I mean, that's a tough call. I mean Swayze gave us he gave us dirty dancing. He gave his look. What a beautiful man he could move those hip that was when he was a surfer member that was quite break. He was the rebel surf do you? Remember the video on Saturday Night Live of him and Chris Farley doing the Chippendales audition iconic icon comedy that is like such a great crossroads between beauty. Chris farley. Chris farley. Put it all out on the table during the sketch. It is so funny. I miss I really do miss Patrick Swayze created that he was so fit. But yeah, he smokes. He did. He really you probably have cancer. He probably smoked cigarettes to stay fit some people. Get stuck in that, you know, they are frayed of letting it go because they think it helps with their physique and in maintaining the look on a models do that staint skinny. Yeah. Because you know, it's a it's an upper creases your heart rate and all that and whatnot. It also kills your appetite. I think totally kills your taste buds. You can't taste anything. Everything is destroyed us maybe you should smoke. That's the only way should look asses by smoking cigarettes. They don't it and getting those brain cysts like you have to choose God. This is brutal. Do you're making me loose stamos and get hookworm. I'm just saying stay mostly Swayze stable salt day, bro. Sorry, sways see on the other side Whoopi, and I will be messaging you later stop for a moment, really reconsider. What you're saying? Think about the great films Swayze provided us with. Okay, I will. No, all of mankind's entertainment falls in my shoulders road house. I I know and like also, you know, I know now, I feel bad. Well, when you look at his IMDB. Posted for roadhouse. Bruce, you're either going through ten seasons of full house approved house choice, either full house or ROY. Oh, dude. I mean. Okay. It gently and selfishly it stamos spit on overall spectrum. It's Swayze all mankind for mankind. I will. I'm sorry. Caitlyn? I'm going to have to go with sways sways all day. That's what we said. We're going to start doing Jamie is doing. Like fight companions for like terrible movies. Do that stamos? We should get barbecued and play showgirls. Twenty-fifth anniversary. You have two people. Don't even know do the cult classic. It's an amazingly bad movie it it's so ethically. Bad. It's kind of like what what how I felt when I watched the dirt recently it ended this gal's career it did it, basically. No, not at all. Didn't it? No. Did she take off after that? She stayed she stayed pretty flat to, but she was she was on her way to being a gigantic superstar the star this movie, she's super hot. She's half-naked thinks she took this movie. I'm speculating, but I thought she took this movie because because it was going to be the next thing and ended up being such a such a a brutal failure that maybe I don't know. It's so good. It's so bad. It's good. It's crazy. And it's got great actors in a to Kyle McLachlan called cuckoo clock. Log Tom com. A great actor. She's a bad actress, Sean. Sean Gina Gershon. She was in. Bye, bye birdie with stay on on Broadway. She was amazing. What's the cast scroll? Back all the way up to the top. That is a great cast all not just images. I mean, her body amazing in this, obviously, it's kind of like number to me more when she did that stripper movie as well. Jane? She was amazing, Jane, but didn't Demi Moore a stripper move to report. Judge Elizabeth Berkley my favorite part in GI James when she says suck my dick. That's a need to put that on a t shirt. Now, just she said suck my dick Novi. She was like on her way to be a navy seal. That's great journal Jane's going for bootcam- mart. Remember those like suck. Dick striptease. Dude. Demean Moore's body and strip tease was all the things. She was so bang in that movie, she's beautiful number. I I mean movie burn near head. It's just one of those movies that I I remember she's she was like Jack in that movie in dancing, very awkwardly. The very awkward stripper dance that happened. Outfit. Looks like she belongs on a wedding. It's like something on a television show tonight show Telemundo. What do you think she's doing these days some people get super super famous whether everywhere, and then they go I'm done. I think she's just challen- you think so I hope so hope she's just chilling. And just kind of you know, what what what she can do in other movie. Maybe maybe an indie. We absolutely she. Maybe she should do. Maybe I don't know because it would tap into a different era. We haven't seen. Manage give me where she's good. Where she is. I should take an appraisal. We got a couple of projects on the table. I don't know what she's gonna do. I don't know either who didn't expect you to like defend yourself. I don't know. Like, no one's pressuring. Jesse? May who's marijuana? You're still high timing. All I've been high for four days who's your celebrity crush. We'll have one you don't know. I'm good. You don't have like a like a fantasy a fantasy chick. Maybe Madonna from the eighties. Wow. Young bold choice pointy bra. Also, you know that she was never going to get hooked on. You should take off. Yeah. We built go. Okay. Commit because I knew she wouldn't like me. She would let me for long. That's a real strategy that men some men employees like this one is not gonna last. It's great that. That's an honest answer. It really is. Yeah. That's the that's the allure of the positive independent woman. Powerful positive independent woman is like she's not knee gonna need me not needy at all. She's like. Yeah. Well, see there. She is dirty. Look at that from the that's all real to from her closet for sure she's in like dudes breeze in some like doilies on her legs. And apparently, she won't fuck and we actually smash Warren Beatty. Sean Penn bad, boys. See this movie that these this is the three identical. These are the three these are the twins the documentaries about you haven't seen the identical strangers. No fans brought up the other day because you got to start talking about something. I forget which podcast. It was that this movie sort of bleeds into not spoiler alert because it's moves we can't spoil it, right? Genetic testing type shit back in the. Back in the day. Like in the in the fifties. Right. They were doing it like in the fifties and sixties in in like an orphanage. Yeah. I need to find some time to watch that everybody. Interesting just when you think like a revelation happens in you're like what the fuck. And then another one happens you like this has got to stop. And then you're just like holy hell. And then it's just a thing where if somebody wants to get something done sometimes they take really drastic measures it selfish in it's terrible in it breaks all ethical rules. But I don't know there. They do it. Well, we're spoil. It's been out for a while dude as an experiment these guys on purpose. Yes. Psychologists wanted to find out stuff who Christ? It is running an orphanage in non in withholding information from the family's just a far to find out. How it would work out what they were doing nature versus nurture? They were they were seeing what? Affects it has a child based on how it's raised by also by the socioeconomic status of the family about the neighborhood. It's in about the type of unit the love all of those factors in what results it has on the individual. Right. Wouldn't you say Jamie, that's kind of data? They have a bunch of data apparently somewhere, and it never came out. It's missing it's gone. The files are just gone disappeared years of them b- basically ruining the lives of children in the effects of that is just dissipated into thinner. It's such such a heartbreaking story. But it's also very interesting. And that's what I'm saying. Like, how would you ever not that that needs to happen? But there is a question. I mean, your father don't unless someone did something. Right. You just guess I mean, we could look at like all the things that are happening in society, especially with like mass shooters and people who commit these random acts of violence and go back to their upbringing in their rearing. I'm pretty sure I would take a gander and guess that they probably weren't raised with the most amount of. There's certain things that you don't really know how it's gonna work out. Yeah. Till you experiment. Yeah. And that's what I was saying like, it's a little brutal. But well people are scared of that kind of thing because that's where Hitler came from. Yeah. Dot kind of thinking mean you hear about some of the experiments they did on people, man. That was just scary. Dr supposedly, I think came in with operation paper clip. That deep into. Oh my God. That's it's pretty fucked up. It's it's it's, you know, do you know, what operation paper clip was wasn't that something like a Hitler thing. Back in the day with babies. Scientists that were taken from World War Two. So the United States took Nazi sign to including Werner von Braun who's the head of NASA. Right. A bunch of other scientists in all these Nazis that were working for Germany making rockets and involved in like high level science them over to America, and sort of whitewashed the whole thing the call the operation, hyper clip, holy at were Werner von Braun when he was at the head of NASA. He was a fucking legitimate Nazi like the Simon Wiesenthal Center. So that if he was alive today, they would prosecute him for crimes against humanity. I feel like there's still there's still a they've got rankling of people in there from that sort of they've chased guys down to the foreign of the earth. Those are very powerful positions to be in to have that sort of mentality driving it. That is scary as fuck for sure. You know, what's really crazy Argentina Argentina in South America? A lot of Nazis went to Argentina and South America. They fled Germany and Tim Kennedy. Who's a good friend of mine who was a former fighters soldier. He was on a show called finding Hitler. Where there was there's been speculation over the years because so many Nazis landed in South America that Hitler had escaped and lived out his life in protected by these other, Nazis and the South American towns, there's towns out towns in South America, where they all they do is speak German. They they have October fast. They have photographs on the walls of their grandfather and SS garb. That is very very scary, dude. It's crazy. Very scary. Blew me away. When I when I when he was telling me about this, and he's a no nonsense guy. So when he's explaining he's like, you gotta understand you're coming to these towns, everyone is German. My God, you'll look like Germans, they all talk German. They all have German like houses and German like the German style stuff in their house. That's bizarre. I mean, crazy. Can be what happened. I I'm only. For maybe not what happened to Hitler. Right. Pretty sure the Hitler died. But I'm sure they relocated. That's definitely what happened. Yeah. See if you could find that Jamie will find. That is. So this is this is South America. Look, it looks like a Germantown doesn't like Germantown. It's crazy. There's a whole village these fucking people. I mean, and there's not just one there's many many of these little little pockets that looks like an October bar. That's really bizarre. I mean that one looks a little Japanese that will there's videos, though, it's really crazy. They're drinking out of Stein's, and like the whole deal Nassar, really wild. It's crazy. Well, obviously, we couldn't get them. All I mean, they had a flea somewhere. And they're going to set up shop make it there. You know, make it they're homogeneous. They saw the shit was about to hit the fans that listen, I know a place we can get some cool Margaritas. We can catch some fucking Toshiko waves. Daydream? That's why I never knew that. Yeah. I didn't know it either. It's crazy. That is really crazy. It's too much to know. There is too much snow, but that's one of the great things about the the stuff. You talk about on this is you got some logistic a plethora of information. Most of most of its useless useless wasting wasting time and anything with it w taking CBD with THC. Oh, that's great see delivers. It got a bit of a problem with a matter been high every day for the last six days. Same pop these little tablets in the morning. It's CBD, and it's not a lot of fun to one. Yeah. It's one to one perfect. It's amazing. Yeah. That's you know, the the they work with each other. And they help the THC helps deliver the CBD and vice versa. You feel great. Yeah. You feel balanced to feel like energized cla- clear. I don't know about you. I clear no problem in terms of like feeling foggy or fatigued. Now, just the right amount. But I fucked up and took one an hour before went to bed last night and went to bed a sensible time. I knew I was going to do a podcast with Jesse may as well. I want to be awake and fresh. And then I got you, basically. That's fine. But I I went to bed and I take in one like an hour or so before I woke up to o'clock in the morning, bang, ready to go right train, fill of ideas. Plant was it. Did you write some stuff down wrote? That's cool. I keep my laptop right now by the bed. I started doing it to just near near in the bathroom next to the bed. Literally, if usually everyone's asleep, a grab the laptop, and I just go into the other room, and I start writing. But I keep it in the bag. I put it right by my bed. So if I have an idea in my head twice of written bits that came out to be like real legitimate bits because an idea came to me while I was lying there. And I said, I gotta just try this just run in the other room, and I start writing and then boom it becomes a bit. Not at all. Sure twice over the last year like legitimate bits have come out of just a random thought that it was popping through my mind wows laying in bed. Now, were you were you on the marijuana's both times? I mean, there's something to it. Definitely when you when you have a moment to escape because our brains like in on your day with information all the time just daydreaming being bored. That's where the creativity for me is the most active like getting a good nap. Or even just in a dream, you think of something like in the shower driving. Those were my ideas, I've had the similar situation where I'm like, oh, this might be a good joke. This my ornament for phones to the allow yourself to get bored. And when you allow yourself to get bored. Then that's when these creative ideas, come if you're in your car, like that's the other thing about that little car that I was telling you about it doesn't have a radio. Ooh, that's great, no radio. So you have to daydream not just your. It's like the you're tuned into the thing as you're doing. Yeah. And do you think about stuff like I used to come up with some best bits when I first started doing comedy when I was delivered newspapers delivered newspapers in the morning in out of my car. Chuck him out the window twenty one. Well, and when I was doing that I would come up with some of my best bits when I wasn't listened to the radio. I was just driving around. And then I have an idea. What why is it that? We what the fuck is this. Yeah. Just be thinking to myself almost like those hours became productive. They are. Yeah. It's it's daydream is probably one of the most important things you can do for your brain. Especially for creative people and people in general, you know, I think when you're doing something that requires you to do something mechanically driving, even just washing your body paper row, anything that you sort of have to do this like regular machine thing, your brain sort of just can roam in the woods and just pick off little ideas off the trees, and you know, you're able to sort of give your brain abroad. Break. Your brain doesn't always need to be stimulated externally fuck now. That's that. That's probably one of the causes of mental illness that probably it is attributed to a lot of neurological issues down the road. Your brain needs a break. You know, those synapses can't be firing all the fucking time to do give them a nap. I'm exhausted. You know, the brain needs a break. But yeah, I definitely I think of random things sometimes in the shower. Yeah. You can you can do that while you're driving. You could do that. While you're in the shower running like I like to run and listening to books on tape. But sometimes I just like to run and just listen to my voice, just the breathing. And then you get into this like meditated state. Yeah. That's deep deep, bro. So it is to fuck. Yeah. Three hours of hanging out with you. And still it's not an started literally because we had some try crash caster. And we also started late because you had me on these these Moses machine, that's the sponsor the so right? These these are mazing I have like chronic stiffness in my neck from travelling and sitting awkward and Jamie was nice enough to give me one of these. They're awesome. They're they're great for look releasing the weird hard to get muscles in your back you lie on that thing digs in. And it's it's like real light to can carry it and take it with you some who's the first one was it Michael Chandler told us about it. Yeah. He was the first guy that it's for the so ass muscle to target it. Yeah, we're the we're girls who like that v formation that muscle down there, the due to have the V, you probably don't get it. Because you guys yet. Jamie was talking about us that not let's just go with your. Into sears. I thought you were a scientist studying. I haven't been fucking podcast is this. I am God damn doctor. Jesse may tell everybody how they could find you on the internet's you can find me my websites Jessie may dot com. I'm at queasy may on Twitter on Twitter, make fun of me because of that Instagram is estimate Peluso, and you can check out my tongue podcast, and she's touring all over the country hilarious stand up comedian, my friend. I love so much favorites on this was such an honor. Thank you. Bye fuckers. I'm a scientist. Thank you, everyone for tune into the podcast. And thank you to our sponsors. Thank you to mushroom coffee from four Sigmatic mushroom elixir mushroom coffee. 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250th Episode Special: Spike Lee - 'BlacKkKlansman'

Awards Chatter

2:15:39 hr | 2 years ago

250th Episode Special: Spike Lee - 'BlacKkKlansman'

"Each. I ever wanted. Thank you for tuning into the two hundred fiftieth episode of wards chatter, the Hollywood reporter's awards podcast. I'm the host Scott Feinberg, and this ups owed marks a pretty special milestone for me, Matt Whitehurst the records and edits the vast majority of our episodes and really all of us at the Hollywood reporter. So thank you for joining us. This episode is presented by the HBO limited series sharp objects starring Amy Adams, Patricia Clarkson, and Elisa Scanlon, the New York Times has called this summer smash hit a mesmerizing meticulously constructed entrance fixing thriller for your consideration in all Golden Globes and sag awards categories. As our regular listeners know each episode of awards chatter is usually comprised of an opening segment in which I speak with someone smart about something. Interesting going on in the biz and then contender interview in which I spend on average bet an hour interviewing someone who is in the running for an Oscar EMMY or Tony today for the first time that opening segment is going. To be just me talking to you about how this podcast got started and grew into what it is today and white means a lot to me, and apparently to a lot of you. But then we will go to our usual contender interview. And we made sure to secure someone befitting such a special occasion. Namely, one of the most influential controversial prolific and distinguished filmmakers of our time or any other a small scrappy toughest nails New Yorker behind such films as she's gotta have it school days. Do the right thing, which might be my favorite movie of all time. I have it's poster framed and hanging on the wall in my bedroom. Mo better blues jungle fever, Malcolm X, crook, l'an four little girls. He got game summer of Sam the original kings of comedy bamboozle, twenty fifth our inside man miracle at Saint Anna Sharak and this year black klansman for which he might land his first ever best director Oscar nomination, the iconic Spike Lee. But again before we go to my conversation with spike. Recorded yesterday at his production company, forty acres and a mule in what he calls, the Republic of Brooklyn. I'd like to take a walk down memory lane and reflect on this podcast, two hundred fifty episodes, which have resulted collectively in ten point eight days worth of content. Thanks a lot of hard work by not just myself. But a number of other people who I want to acknowledge and well over eight million listens. Thanks to you in a way. It all really started with my friend, Jesse cats. She was the assistant to the Hollywood reporter's at a to'real director and was in is a very creative person who wanted to branch out beyond that job. Even if it meant staying after hours Jesse was into podcasts as they were just becoming a big thing and figured that. The Hollywood reporter really ought to have some there was not a lot of interest from others here at that time. So she just went about gathering the equipment and software necessary to do it on her own and grabbed a few other people who worked here in various, capacities are social media editor and others time and together they made are. I pod cast here which involved setting episodes of the TV shows girls and madman starting early two thousand fourteen and then airing those conversations as podcast known as girls on girls and girls on men. These were done totally independently. I don't know how many people even knew at the Hollywood reporter that they existed Jesse coordinated not only the other staff members and the content of those podcast, but also they're recording editing. They went up the soundcloud, I was even invited to participate in one as an honorary girl for the day. I guess, but it really piqued my interest that this was maybe where things were heading. And so with jesse's help and encouragement I went about recording several interviews with people at the TC 'em. Classic film festival. Shirley, MacLaine Christopher Plummer. Am betting. The audio of those interviews into articles summarizing them. I also did this with tab hunter who was promoting documentary in which he appeared I. Did it with a number of the best original song Oscar nominees and early twenty fifteen? These were just standalone podcast, they went up under the banner of T HR podcast. I think, but it was all sort of laying the groundwork for what would come later, really. I think a big turning point for a lot of people was when President Obama while still in office went on Mark Marins podcast schlepping all the way to his garage in the summer of twenty fifteen and giving him a good chunk of time. I think a lot of people at that point heard about it and said, wait a minute what our podcast, and why are they important enough for the president of the United States to do? And so there was greater and greater interest here on our end. My original attempt at a regular podcast was one that I did with my now nonagenarian friend, Marcia Nassar, who was the first woman ever to reach level of vice president at Hollywood studio, we always had fun discussions and debates about movies. She's an academy member and was game to record these with me. And so for a brief period we had a pie. Cast that was called at her suggestion the Geezer and the kid that was fun. All of this was just sort of getting us into the idea of how to do a podcast and how they worked and how much work went into them and whether or not anybody cared, and we found that people increasingly did, and I must give credit to Melanie who was back in two thousand fifteen are deputy at to'real director. Now is our editorial director who really at that point again to egged on that we should heading into the two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen award season have a podcast that was throughout the award season. And specifically just me doing what I've always done during award seasons interviewing the top talent who like to avail themselves to me during that time of year because it's advantages to them. Let's take advantage of that. And not just do those as written interviews, which are fine. But also capture audio. This was not something that at the time. Other people were doing. There are now tons of these podcasts where people try to corral award season talent to come on. And do interviews. And I'm thrilled that that has happened. But at that time there really wasn't one in fact, one of my colleagues slash competitors. At another outlet heard that we were doing this and thought at the time that a podcast with somehow threaten his video series. Obviously video has nothing do with podcasts. And that was a deliberate decision on our part from very early on. Because we felt that based on our prior experience with podcasts. Introducing video could really throw things off people sort of with just a Larry King style microphone in front of their face looking across the table at somebody else tend to open up to a greater extent than they would if they feel they're on camera and they have to worry about in the back of their head. How they're looking and things like that. So with Matt's encouragement, we decided to start a podcast with that format. He was adamant that we call it awards chatter, which was a title that. I really resisted because I was concerned that. Having the word awards in the title might dissuade some people from being guests because it would seem to overtly about campaigning. But I lost that battle, and I'm actually happy to have done. So because I think more and more that the titles acute one with a bit of a double meaning, and we really grown into it. We also had a logo design in the early days which remains our logo to the stay designed by product designer here named Andrew elder are launch was coordinated by Dan, Strauss and Nathan gallon, Dan's no longer hair, Nathan stella's, but it all lit up to nine forty five AM on September six twenty fifteen in a bungalow Intel, your Colorado of all places where I was covering the telluride film festival and retained a freelance recorder, and we met up with three people Danny Boyle, Kate Winslet and Seth Rogan who were there with their new film, Steve Jobs, which had had its world premiere the night before and we sat down and did a nice conversation. The episode posted with edits by. A freelance guy who I don't think I've ever even met named John McDonald? And it went live on September ninth. Twenty fifteen that was the beginning of a ward shatter soon after that the format began to change the focus on just one individual's life and career with the exception of a few roundtables that we did for various reasons song nominees we could get a bunch together or Tony nominees. We could get a bunch of the acting Omni's together. But also because it's tough to coordinate multiple people schedules and really most of all because I find it more interesting to do a deep dive into an individual then to do a deep dive into a specific film. So the bottom line was that we ended up adopting this approach where you're only gonna come on by yourself, unless your life really has been inextricably linked with someone else's for most of it professionally. So that was the case with for instance, Michael Barr and Tom Bernard. The two guys who have run Sony classics for many years and worked together long before that. But we also. Sided let's make this an all encompassing interview to the extent that we tell people we're going to have you on once and never again. So let's make sure that we make a count because to have you come back after we've been through your entire life and career just seems like it would be unnecessary and repetitive. We'd rather do it really well once make account, and you know, not retread the same territory in the future. Maybe that will change in the future. Maybe we'll say, you know, after five years of past or something, and you've accumulated a a batch more work than will come on and focus on that. But as of now, I think it's a pretty reasonable rule. And there are sort of carve outs where you have somebody like lady Gaga who's been on our podcast twice once with Diane? Warren promoting a song that they did together back before we had our sort of hard rule about solo people. And then also wants with a group of Oscar nominees for best original song. She would certainly be welcome again as a solo guest, and hopefully that will happen before this season is over she certainly worthy. But this whole enterprise has taken us to a lot of different locations. We try to do many of our recordings at the offices of the Hollywood reporter either in our atrium conference room or in the office of Tom Sealy, whose supporter of the podcast also coordinates a lot of our digital efforts. We've yet to actually create a studio here for ourselves. We're hoping to get that soon. But we make do often were heading out on location as well. Can't tell you how many different hotels and conference rooms we've been in throughout the cities of Los Angeles, New York, probably more than just about anybody else. I know also we've ended up in some pretty cool places. Whether it's Warren Beattie's home library or the offices of Lauren Michaels and Ryan Murphy, Kris Jenner, Chuck Laurie. Smith be Mike listener Marta Kauffman. Jay Leno Kobe. Bryant William Shatner. Dana Brunetti, Michael Keaton, Aaron Sorkin Judd appetito the living rooms of lady Gaga and Jill Solloway, the dining rooms of James Lipton. John stamos Sally fields. Kitchen. Barry Jenkins studio apartment, Adam mckay's pool. House Jimmy Kimmel guesthouse Jj Abrams editing, suite Billy Bob Thornton movie trailer, the Retha room for Jane Fonda show, James corden shows conference room Keenan Thompsons pot smoke-filled thirty rock dressing room snoop. Dogg's pot smoke-filled recording studio and the list goes on. We also done these in cities beyond L in New York. We did Eddie Redman Ruth Negga Benedict. Cumberbatch rob Reiner. Rasmin pike in Toronto, sir. Sharon and miles teller in savannah, Lenny Abrahamson, Tom McCarthy, and Sam Rockwell and Santa Barbara debt costal, and Justin Lin and San Francisco and the list goes on sometimes when we leave our Homebase we have little control over the situation. We tell people that we need to do it in a place where we can control the surrounding noise. But sometimes you can only do that so much to give you a few examples with Lauren Michaels. We did it in his office at thirty rock, which has a window looking down onto studio. Eight h where SNL is recorded. And where on that particular afternoon? The SNL band would occasionally burst into noise rehearsing in the background on top of Lawrence cell phone going off and other things kind of going awry, I had to pretend that I was staying cool, but I was panicked beyond belief that none of the audio was actually going to be usable at the end in the end. It actually added quite a bit of ambience. And you really felt like you were there in the belly of the beast. Where Lauren does what he does. So it all worked out. But that was certainly a stressful one we ended up with a little table in the middle of giant sound stage to record lin-manuel Miranda. Kate Winslet solo episode. She had originally as we said done our first episode. And then we brought her back for Sola one was done in Santa Monica and just as we were about to begin across the street. We hear horrendous noise turned out to be a machine either cleaning carpets or sucking sewage out of an apartment or something. We had a similar issue with Jack hammering across the street from the four seasons when we were sitting down with Glenn. Close massive construction. Started in the middle of our interview with Aaron Sorkin, we had wedding music playing outside of the room as we sat down with Melissa McCarthy with nowhere else to go. And when we did our interview with Barry Jenkins just days before envelope gate. There was pouring torrential rain on his entirely window enclosed apartment in downtown LA, and we just had to make do of it. And I had to have great faith in our editor who I think for each of the examples, I listed was Matt Whitehurst, and he has always come through with God knows what kind of software whatever to clean up the situation, but he has had a lot to clean up over the years. So plenty of strange situations of that nature, but maybe nothing was stranger over the course of this podcast history. Then what happened on June twenty fourth two thousand eighteen in response to our June nineteenth article in which are Jimmy Fallon episode was embedded that podcast. Mark val. I interview in many months, he had sort of gone quiet in the aftermath of the Donald Trump hair ruffling incident on his show, which had been widely thought to have cost him an EMMY nomination and his spot atop the ratings and just generally a lot of unpleasantness. Well, Jimmy was good enough to have us to his office at thirty rock and really opened up about that topic. And understandably became a motion talking about how painful the whole experience had been for him, particularly the aftermath of it. When he felt that people were trying to kick him while he was down. So we had this very open moving conversation, and then five days after that article posted on our website who tweets about it. But the president of the United States himself Donald Trump who tweeted quote at Jimmy Fallon is now wimpering to all that he did the famous hair show with me where seriously messed up my hair, and that he would have now done it differently. Because it is said to have humanized me he is taking heat. He called and said monster Ray. Eatings be a man Jimmy close quote. So that was a little weird to have the president of the United States tweeting in reference to our podcast. And he certainly was that was the only interview Jimmy Fallon had done at any time in recent history. But you know, if there's anything Donald Trump's good for I guess, it's calling attention to things and that podcast traffic exploded in the aftermath of that. So that was that I felt sorry for Jimmy. But we'll take the clicks, some other fun facts. Looking back over our two hundred fifty there's only been one episode that was tied to a project that never wound up seeing the light of day, the one with Benedict Cumberbatch, which was tied to the current war film that had just premiered in Toronto where I sat down with Cumberbatch, and that was to be distributed by the Weinstein company, but actually never was after the revelations about Harvey Weinstein emerged that was obviously a unusual situation there. We've only had one father and son both appear on the podcast, Carl Reiner, and rob Reiner and one father and daughter appear on the podcasts. Separately. That was Rashida Jones who was part of the opening segment ahead of the Quincy Jones episode, and we may soon add to that list that looks like we might have John David Washington on here soon. So along with his dad, Denzel who has done this podcast that would be another father and son. We have had one set of spouses, Justin Timberlake, and Jessica Biel and one set of Expos is Billy Bob Thornton. And Angelina Jolie. There's also only been one episode of this podcast that I myself actually had nothing to do with. And that was when in the immediate aftermath of Oscar. So white exploding Janice men are at a to'real director at the time sat down with the academy's CEO, Don Hudson, and then president Cheryl Boone ISAACs for an interview that resulted in a cover story, but that was also recorded. So we decided to air that on this podcast as it was our only real podcasts at that point. And again, our podcast was early enough that for many of our guests, it was and may still be there first podcast experience. We can say that was the case with. Will Smith Meryl. Streep Barbara broccoli and Eddie Murphy. Oprah had participated in a podcast about her shows impact. But ours was her first encompassing her whole life for some of our guests that may have also been there last podcast experience we recorded up with Harvey Weinstein and Louis C K not long before their misconduct was exposed by the metoo movement. And we had Kevin Spacey scheduled to come on and talk to us about all the money in the world that date was about a week or two after the date on which his career fell apart. And then on a happier note, we did have one guest who appeared on our podcast as the final interview that he ever did while he was still considered the biggest loser. I'm talking about. Kevin O'Connell a sound recording mixer who had lost twenty Oscars over thirty three years but week after sitting down with us one and Oscar for the first time on his twenty first nomination. That was terrific. I'm proud say that our guests have been very diverse. At least one guest was a person of color in fifty four episodes. And at least one guest was a woman in ninety two. And we've also had transgender transsexual and gender non binary guests. None of this was conscious or deliberate or trying to meet numbers. This was merited by the talent of our guests. And that's the way the cookie crumbled. Some other interesting stats are oldest guests at the time. We sat down with him was the writer director James ivory who was eighty nine. When he did it. Although we also sat down with the great songwriter. Burt BAC who was actually born before James ivory, but was younger at the time. We spoke with him our youngest guests ever was the wonderful child. Actress Brooklyn prince who was speaking to us about the Florida project when she was just seven our longest up sewed at two hours and thirteen minutes is the one that we did with Marvin Hier. The rabbi who runs the Simon Wiesenthal Center in the museum of tolerance, and who has won two Oscars for documentaries. And so we obviously had a lot to talk about with him. Meanwhile, are shortest episode at just twenty three minutes is the one we did with Hugh Grant, he is indeed a charming guy. But it turned out. We didn't have that much to say to each other. Meanwhile, unfortunately, we've lost three people who have appeared on our podcast over the years, the actors, Robert Vaughn and tab hunter, and the producer Craig Zaydan, something you might be interested to know is that our ten most listened to episodes at this time. It's always changing our counting backwards number ten Jake. Jalen hall, number nine Angelina Jolie. Number eight, Rachel Brosnahan number seven Samuel L. Jackson number six, Allison Williams, number five, Jerry Seinfeld. Number four, Kate Winslet number three, Jimmy Fallon, number two, William Shatner and number one Will Smith in the run-up to this two hundred fiftieth episode. I asked our listeners via my Twitter feed to let us know what your favorite episodes of our podcast have been and a great many of you responded, which I really appreciate and we'll share your picks counting down backwards number ten. Matthew, mcconaughey? Number nine gal gadoe number eight care nightly number seven, Denzel Washington number six, Jennifer Lawrence number. Five Aaron shorten number four, Emma stone number three, sterling K Brown, number two, Judith light. And number one Oprah Winfrey. So thank you for letting us know that it's very nice to hear that episode. Spinning our entire podcast history. Have apparently resonated with you that survey is obviously not entirely fair to our most recent guests, probably to forty eight thirty to fifty or so that Steve McQueen, James Burrows and Spike Lee, but they'll be considered in future surveys, my own top ten I wanna talk about because I think I can share a little bit of a back story about each of these that you might find interesting, and there is some overlap with your picks. But also, some others for me number ten is also Matthew, mcconaughey. It was just such a fun relaxed wide ranging conversation. He came in with nothing else on his agenda that afternoon, his publicist was lovely. It was the afternoon of young Kapoor. This most recent Yom Kippur we were heading towards break fast. I had. Had a little liquid. I will admit, but not food and Matthew came in with that knowledge and was kind of teasing me about it. We just had a nice report right off the bat. Matthew. Thank you so much for doing this, really. Appreciate it. Absolutely. We always begin with just a few basics where were you born and raised in. What is your folks do for a living while we're on the basics today as young? Yes. And it's about five forty five and you're supposed to be fasting crack, that's true. How's it going? Well, it's gone well up until about a few minutes ago, but I'm gonna break my fast with you. You have a absent. Okay. And then he really opened up in a way that I think you rarely hear star of his stature, do there was a lot of prep that went into teeing up some great stories, and I think it helps that he is such a folksy likable. Great storyteller. But it all came together in a way that you always hope these do. And so Matthew mcconaughey is number ten for me. Number nine is rupaul something I never would have imagined would be the case when I was heading into that not because I don't admire rupaul, but I just really didn't know that much about rupaul until I started prepping for that conversation, and to be honest, I had a lot to learn rupaul was very patient with me took a lot of time to kind of walk me and listeners through what drag is how came to be a big part of rupaul life, white means so much so many people and kind of talk about something that is only recently reaching a large segment of our culture here in America. I'd seen drag in media. I mean, Bugs Bunny was my first. Suctioned to drag even his approach to it. Which was a tool to get what he wanted out of it and mostly it was he was winking as he did it. He was being funny where someone would be chasing him. And I guess it was Elmer Fudd is that chased him Elmer which would open the door and books bunny with turnaround covering his breast and and groin area and go, you know, scream. All the while winking knowing that that would make Elmer Fudd close the door row quickly and go, oh, I just done something wrong, buying bunny, more time brilliant, and you know in cartoons. Traditionally in our culture might try have been able to sneak in subversive, wink, wink, ideology into pop culture because the unwashed masses a few set a two point Blake. They would burn you as a witch. So this is the way we've been able to get that information into pop culture rupaul was just such a pleasure to visit with opened up in a way that many guests don't even when we're talking about less personal things. And I think chose to use this as a teachable moment for a lot of people in for that. I was very grateful, and it's been actually lovely to occasionally run into rupaul since then at the Emmys or actually even once during her mission of a Broadway show. Oh and find that that really solidified a I wouldn't say friendship because we're not hanging out at each other's pools or anything like that. But I think mutual respect and appreciation number eight for me is Eddie Murphy. It was again at his first ever podcast. He rarely does interviews of any sort particularly in recent years. It doesn't have a reputation of being a particularly easy person to deal with he became a star in the eighties. When stars were treated as infallible demands were met a little easier, and egos and diva type behavior was more tolerated. Well, I knew that that was potentially what I would be dealing with. And sure enough Eddie came in with a bit of an entourage who than sat down behind him. Kind of looking at me as I conducted the interview, and I think within a minute or so we came pretty close to having any walk out on me. I asked him up fairly personal question about his early years and some stuff that he'd had to deal with within his family. And I think he was not necessarily. Rep to know that we were gonna go all the way back to the beginning and go deep into things, and he literally turned around to look at his crew as if to say, what is this? But thankfully, he decided to roll with it a little longer, and I came to realize that there were no ill intentions here was really just kind of learn what made him the great artists that he is there were some tough times in your childhood. And I was, you know, learning about your biological father and some time that you and your brother were way. And I just wonder, you know, do you think that really? The reason I asked though is like think that's where the interesting comedy comes from is that out of a desire to either make others or yourself laugh or happier. Whatever. I don't think so now. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it had anything to do with it. I lots of times we'll be saying stuff like, you know, paying comedy comes out of pain. And I don't subscribe to that. I think that's you know, this. I mean, some of the best comedians had doc stuff. But the people that don't have doc stuff at all really funny. Jerry seinfeld. You can't get brighter than vet raise wanted to funniest people varies, you know. So so I I don't think that that pain. I don't know if that's came out like like, I was trying to fill some whole funny. Sure enough he began to open up and have fun with it and joke around and to be honest was a delight even saying afterwards to chat a little more and take a photo to promote the episode on Twitter and all of that. So again, I think preconceived notions. Being overturned is something that I really am particularly touched by number seven for me is Jennifer Lawrence who really. Think at the time you could argue was the biggest movie star on the planet, and may well still be and someone who on the one hand, I figured would be wonderful podcast guest because she is so off the cuff and loose in just a fun person. Based on everything we've ever known about her, and I'd done some QNA's and things with her over the years in group settings. I'd actually interviewed her once back during the winters Bonar. But that was over the phone. So I don't think that it was a matter of any of that making a difference. But one thing that I think did help is that her best friend and now producing partner just the impulsivity is actually also a good friend of mine and a big supporter of the podcast. And so I think she had kind of given Jennifer heads up that this was a podcast to take seriously and make the most of and I think that Jennifer took that to heart and really came and engaged totally and was open to an extent that few people allow themselves to be as I mentioned. Jimmy Fallon, and then also, Tracy Morgan shed, some tears during their epic roads. So too did seize on sorry, lady Gaga, and as will come to a moment. Stephen Colbert soda, Jennifer. I asked her a little bit about celebrity. I the downsides of it. And then also the upsides of it the things that allow her to do good for others. And I think it says a lot about her that the part that made her cry was not talking about some of the terrible things that have happened to her with her personal photos being hacked and spread on the internet and things like that. But rather when she first realized the power that she had to do good and help others as a celebrity. I read about something that happened during the first hard games, which was that you saw that. I guess it's like the Spiderman line with great power comes responsibility here. I guess the first time that you realize the positive things that come with this. Where was make a wish visit to the set. Yeah. Yeah. There is a make a wish visit and. I had up until this point only thought about myself. How is my life going to change when I become famous with wonder how many clothes for free, and I met a girl who had been burned all over her body. She said won't still make me cry. And she said that when she read these books, she finally felt proud to be the girl on fire like she she owned it, and she was proud of it, and she didn't feel embarrassed anymore. And it changed the way that she looked at herself. Sorry. And that was fuck. Sorry. Sorry. And that was the first time that I realized that. It's so simple. And it's something I love doing, but it can actually help people and -portant people. You know, when I go to when I go to the hospital at Christmas to sign posters in and visit the children can't be home for Christmas. It's like, you know, three hours out of my day that can go, and it's I don't know. It's just such a gift that I get to do what I love and with it people who really really matter me can make them feel better. You know, you can sign something for them and make them feel better say Hello to them and make them feel better. So that was first time. I realized that scream why you have to bring sorry. Again, she couldn't have been lovelier big hug at the end. Very appreciative of I think of the opportunity to not talk about fluff. But to really go deep number six was a very different experience. And some people are gonna wonder why would even include this person on the list? But again what I'm rating here are the most memorable episodes for me. And this one was certainly one of them. It's Harvey Weinstein. We had him come in during the two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen Oscar season, he somebody that I dealt with quite a lot in the course of my work covering awards over the last decade or so and he had agreed to come on. And I held him to it even though his movies that season had not been nominated. And the nominations had already come out. He came by. He did pull some shenanigans as far as committing to be here for I think it was forty five minutes or an hour. And then saying that he actually had a little bit less time. So the pressure was on to make the most of it. But I also had done a lot of prep and was very familiar with. History in an impact on the business. And we got into a lot of things about his early years and about his childhood and his influences in his approach to choosing and working on movies. It was all very interesting. We've talked about the span of your time in the business many of the people who you interacted with your friends your competitors. Some of these guys are gone now, the Anthony Miguel's any politics Bingham, raise list goes on why do you still work and not just work, but we're very hard. And what do you have to prove at this point? Are you going to do this forever or retirement something that crosses your mind since I'm not on as a reader quote from NICO's Kazakh asus? Or the Greek he goes into the marketplace. Or with young English engineer is building a bridge across creek. And he looks at this guy. And he says see guy over there moss. He's been selling almonds every day in the same market space year after year after year. He just says this guy lives like he's never gonna die. He says me boss. I live each day. Like, it was my last. So live well, and it was a real time capsule. I think you will never hear that sort of an all encompassing interview with Harvey Weinstein ever again because his lawyers will never again allow him to do an interview in which anything can be asked of him. We talked about a lot of things we obviously didn't know. And therefore didn't ask about a number of things that have come to light in the years since that podcast. But I think going back and listening to it now as I have done looking for any clue or hint or reference to some of the darker stuff. I think you do hear certain things that take on a different. Meaning it's a little haunting to hear this person talk about his life in a way, referencing sort of future. That would never happen for him, obviously, his life and the industry will never be the same after what has come to the surface number five for me. This is a little bit more fun with snoop Dogg again, somebody who I had been aware of throughout my whole life and kind of got a kick out of. But always thought of as. Sort of the comic relief of a situation. I knew he'd made an impact in music sort of before I'd come along. I knew some of songs, but I didn't really know his backstory, and I didn't know how deep he would be able or willing to go talking about it. But I wanted to give it a try seize that opportunity I fought for that one. And in the end, it was a surprisingly, honest conversation. And I think not just because we smoke weed together during the interview, which will open up anybody. But I think he was appreciative of the opportunity to be asked serious meaningful questions and not just have things teed up for him to say Schiller. Whatever people like to hear him. Do we did that as well? There was plenty of time to talk about all that stuff. But it was really a chance to learn about somebody and find out there's a lot more to him than one might have assumed. When did you first meet her Seattle show? Does she do? I was a fan. Always what the store fuck with her. She was always does. So I asked to be on the show, and she led me come on the show, we cooked low some mash potatoes. I think you're not took our numbers. She took mine, and we'd just I would texture trip because he would ask somebody try to translate. What I was saying. Because I went techs. No, no regular side was handing what to do. What did he Thome bout of what he's trying to say is how are you? Why does he say on that? That's how he talks, and then was the next time that you actually saw her at the twenty fifteen I did too. I was on our show twice on show in the Christmas special idea to okay. So you've had those experiences then you both wind up roasting Justin Bieber, and we sat side by side. And yet and what I'm doing what you right now. Yeah, I'm just casually smoking blunt a two or three or four am blowing smoke writing your mother fucking face. So you got secondhand smoke. The best in the world while firsthand smoke. Yeah. Man. Thanks, indulge. That's what Martha didn't do. She didn't do I and she did second. It actually set up an interesting after noon because after that podcast ended we had to quickly rush across town to record our episode with gal gadoe and met way. Hearst. Again, our recorder editor was upstanding enough. Not to join snoop myself in partaking in Snoop's, very strong. Product. So I was not driving that was driving. We left that smoke filled room in the dog pound as it's known where snoops recording area and hang out places over in Englewood and headed back to Beverly Hills to sit down with gal gadoe, and when we got there. I think it sort of sunk in that all of our microphones and are sound blanket that keeps noise from being made on the table and ourselves everything really smelled of weed, and we tried everything we could from trying to open windows to breeze ourselves in our equipment and everything to deal with the situation before gal gadoe showed up at our room. Alas the clock ran out gal Gadot knocked we opened the door. And I felt compelled to sort of say to her look we've just come from doing a podcast with snoop Dogg as you can imagine. He was smoking a lot. I I have course, deflected any responsibility for this myself. And she looked at me and just broke into laughter and said, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what they all say. Let's order cookies from room service and had them sent up. So she was a great sport. And that was a great capper to a very strange day number four for me is Barbara Streisand. Someone who I never thought I'd get the chance to interview at length because she really has. So rarely done long interviews. She is someone who doesn't seem to like that process. And when she has done it, even in brief sit downs is generally known to be very controlling and guarded and not the easiest person to interview. So I figured it was worth taking a shot at asking her to do our podcast when I realized that she was in the running for an EMMY for her latest concert special, which was on Netflix. And to my surprise. She ended up agreeing to do it. And it was a whole back and forth about the amount of time that we would need and she was willing to give but it all came together on the Warner Brothers lot where she was in the process of re editing. Her nineteen seventy six version of star. Born ahead of its release a net flicks. And she agreed to take time to do it. Just an hour of I think only two hours total that she had given net. Flicks to us as it felt best in terms of promoting that concert special the rest ended up being divvied up between a bunch of phone or so this was a really rare special opportunity, and I prepared accordingly. I don't think I've ever prepared more for any episode. I had a folder that I think was probably three or four inches thick of material that I was reading on top of books and other things to make sure that again, I made the most of this chance to to really pick the brain of a legend who hasn't done and isn't likely to do many more of these sorts of interviews, and I was also very worried going into that in a way that I not often em I'm not intimidated by somebody's starpower anymore. I've dealt with enough people that doesn't really get to me. But what gets me is the fear that something could prevent us from having a really quality. Eighty conversation, and therefore blowing our one shot with that person. And I knew that trice N is known to on a dime, get bored or controlling or change the topic or insist on doing things like that. And I felt that I needed to be absolutely ready for everything. So that we could kind of keep things on track in and cover so much of an amazing life in. I think forty five minutes is what we've been promised. And we ended up getting even more because it did go very well. There was a moment or two in there where things nearly went off the rail. I think the biggest issue was at one point. I mentioned the fact that she had played a number of characters in films that you might describe as ugly ducklings who then bloom into something other than that. And I think that's a term that she has maybe heard in other contexts over the course of her life and therefore feels a little bit uncomfortable with. And so in this case, it seems that she heard me sort of insinuating. Which I did not that she herself was an ugly duckling who had bloomed into other things. And so it took a little steering to get that back on track and kind of win her back over to the fact that I wasn't a of jerk, and I think that actually did happen. And she was incredibly forthcoming there were some things that were tough with that episode as well where there are other people in the room from her assistant to multiple publicist to a friend who I guess goes with her to some places to answer questions if she happens to forget a person's name or something like that. And so occasionally she would turn away from the microphone to look at these people, and particularly that friend, and I was just worried that that might derail things. But in fact, it really exceeded all my hopes last question is if you could only sing one of your songs for the rest of your life. This is gonna tell us which one you have real feelings for the most. Which would that song be that's like Sophie's choice? Number three is Stephen Colbert somebody who I have loved for many years and had the chance to sit down with at the offices of the late show in New York. Just ahead of an Emmys, which he would be the host and was also nominated with a chance to win just a year after he had not even been nominated and was almost being written off as late night host because of poor ratings allot had then changed because of political things in the country and suddenly his type of intelligent humor was in demand again. And so this was a very exciting one to get to do with him. What a lot of people do not know is that Stephen Colbert personal story, which is obviously something we were going to get into on this podcast. And that I learned a lot about prepping for it is not funny at all. He's had a terrible tragedy affect his family when he was very young. And a lot of ways it shape. His future. I don't want to ask you to talk anymore than you want about what what happened when you're ten. But it just seems like it was clearly as it would be for anyone instrumental in shaping the person who you became and the it seems like also the interest in making people laugh, particularly your mother Orna. Can I ask you just how you think as a person you were changed by that tragedy when you were ten? The scope of how would change you or how someone is changed by tragedy at a young age is so broad. I can give you some things that are different. But I don't really know. How it changed me? I have this recurrent image in my mind, sometimes when I'm driving down a highway, especially lonely highway someplace in the high mountain west where it's just you the road the planes in the sky, and when I look forward, I imagine that the blue sky in front of me is actually not blue sky. It's a mountain so big that the edges of the slopes as they come down to the horizon or beyond my prefer vision on either side and then actually driving toward a mountain. I can't see. And in my mind, what happened to my family when I was child affected us to a degree that it's a mountain. We can't see you know, what I mean, you can approach it and see sort of part of the slopes, but I have. I've said to myself more than once gosh, I hope I live long enough to figure out what that did to me were who I am as a result of of many things in my life. But obviously, I mean for years, I have jokingly thought my secret name was September eleventh nineteen seventy four because I was the day they died, and that was my, you know, they say you can't control a demon unless you can name it. It's real name. I've always thought will no one will ever be able to control me because no one knows my secret name and my secret name is that event. And that is it's almost like that event created a labyrinth in my mind in which I could hide when I was younger. No one could find me if I went into the labyrinth of that experience. But I was also lost in there. You know, I thought I was the mentor, but I think I was just lost without a Bali yarn for for many, many years and comedy was a relief. And then just as quickly as it had all begun it ended and he. He ran off to go prepare for that night's up soda the show. Number two for me is Jerry Seinfeld. I'd had a bad experience with him on a red carpet once before it's not even worth really getting into. But he just was somebody who clearly wasn't someone who was that enthusiastic to deal with press of any sort and doesn't like going through the motions of having to do things to promote work. And you know, that's understandable enough. He's been successful enough that it's probably annoying to have to do some of the things that everybody else has to do to raise awareness for his projects. But I nevertheless reached out to his team about having him. Come on to talk about comedians in cars getting coffee, which I knew was a great passion project for him and was in the running now for an EMMY and hope that he would be willing to engage in for whatever reason he did agree to sit down for an hour. We met up at an apartment in New York that he sometimes uses for writing. I got there before he did. And was there with his publicist and we chat. And we had even arranged to do a Facebook live conversation after the podcast. So he knew coming in that he was going to be there for a little while. And I think he just made a calculation let's make the most of this as long as we have to be here. Let's engage. I think he did appreciate that right off the bat. It was pretty clear we were gonna be talking about things that he doesn't always asked about and that we would be getting deep and really teeing things up for him to share his incredible expertise and knowledge, and that is to remarkable extent. What he did by all appearances everything that you've said and done you're a comedian who acts not an actor who does comedy, right, right? But if I don't even know how anyone could make that consumer. But I wonder though, if you were to get a call from somebody who, you know, like Steven Spielberg or somebody said we'd love for you to be in our film. It sounds like you would do it. I might do it. I doubt it a guy like that is going to be smart enough to know. No, no one's putting me in Star Wars. Nobody wants a character in Star Wars that says, you know, all the back flipping doesn't really hurt the guy that you're fighting. We could just lose the back flipping and just get on with the laser fighting. You know, you don't want that that would be my character. And nobody wants that star was a guy who's logical on the side. Yeah. Like my kids. I watch a lot of my kids. And I thought maybe if I wasn't Star Wars said of Darth city as I could be are you serious? That'd be your you want to tackle entire planet. Seriously. He was incredibly candid and interesting and willing to share some of his tricks for doing what he does including the secrets of success for creative people and things like that. Which I had never heard him talk about before. And which I know resonated a lot with our listeners, many of whom have said that that is one of their favorite episodes as well. But number one for me is without a question Oprah Winfrey. She is someone who I have admired and marveled at for as long as I can remember, and who I kind of didn't even regard as a human being because she's almost like a a God amongst men just someone who has lived such a remarkable life and overcome so much an inspired and helped so many that the idea that it was even possible to sit down with Oprah for this kind of an in depth conversation lasting an hour. So was almost unfathomable to me. But then Oprah did something that she hadn't done. Many years, which is returned to acting in a TV movie for which she started to get very good awards buzz. And I thought what the heck let me put out the ass and contact her Representative and the worst thing that would happen was she would say that she was unavailable. But pretty soon after I sent the request. I was sitting in New York covering the Tony season. And I got an Email saying Oprah is willing to do this. If you can be in L A on whatever day, it was a couple of days later, and I couldn't believe it. But I quickly booked a flight, and I told a lot of people around the time there, aren't that many people that I would be willing to get on a plane for fly across the country. Spend just an hour with them and then head right back across the country. But that is exactly what I did for Oprah. As anyone I think would and it was incredibly well worth it. It was an intimidating room to walk into not because Oprah is one of the most famous recognized people in the entire world. But because she's one of the great interviewers of our time. And so two. Then go in there with someone who knows all the tricks and techniques and secrets and methods of coaxing a great interview out of others and try to do that with her. That was intimidating, and you know, we had variations of that on our episodes with Dan rather and dick Kevin James Lipton and Marc Maron all of whom have greatly influenced me as interviewers as well. But Oprah was the different story. Just intimidating but also intimidating in the sense that she's the guest who probably lease needed me or my podcast for anything in her life and could've phoned it in or been rude or dismissive. But who was actually not only totally present and engaged for the full hour. But also opened up about really deeply personal parts of her story that she had never really shared before. Even in decades of talking about her life and lessons from it on television, and in magazines, and in other interviews, and so it was just a very special hour that I think sets the bar for us as far as how to come. Mm in prepared move on the fly as circumstances dictate and try to make the most of your time with your guests. Can I ask you? Well, thank you. I mean, we have an hour. I love it. And and you know, reading value life. It's I think it just makes it all the more amazing. What what you college? When people realize what those first few years were, you know entailed? There's a reason that you were moving around and things were chaotic bit. So and also informs a lot of what's happened since including I think Henrietta lacks and Deb relax this carroo shared some similar experiences. So I just wonder to whatever extent you're comfortable. I mean, what was what were those early years like, well, that's nice of you to say, whatever extent, I was comfortable because I think people watch the Oprah show over the use of heard be say just about everything I don't have very many secrets if I have them. I haven't discovered them yet. And one of the reasons for that is that I learned early on in the process of interviewing other people that wet really connects you to another human being is you're willing to open up and be vulnerable as Rene. Brown has written about endearing greatly. That vulnerability is really your greatest power, and before people researched it and studied it I had come to know that naturally that Volna r- ability is your greatest power. I would say that that's been my greatest gift in connecting to the audience is just being open and willing to continually be myself. It is not lost on me what a rare privilege it is to get to spend an hour or so with these great artists of film, TV in theater, or as as also been the case music or amazing people from walks of life, totally unrelated to what I usually cover. But who I happen to have an opportunity to speak with because of their sociation with something that was being promoted for an award. That includes people who are heroes to me, and so many others like Gloria Steinem, Dr Jane Goodall, Dr Neil degrasse Tyson. Dan, rather Kobe Bryant Shaquille O'Neal and even Vice President Al gore because. It is such a privilege and responsibility to do these. I won't do them unless I have the time to do them, right, which means spending a bunch of ours locating and printing out and reading every other important interview with or profile of our guest crafting questions in a way that conveys knowledge, but also curiosity, you know, we always begin every episode where we born and raised in. What is your folks do for a living? That's obviously something that we can Google easily enough. But I think that asking it subliminally conveys our guests that we're gonna go back to the beginning. And we're gonna go deep, and we value. What you have to say. We also insist on doing every interview in person because they think on top of all of the preparation, the importance of icons cannot be overstated a guest can look you in the eyes and see whether or not you're engaged or interested or genuinely curious or if you're just looking ahead to the next questions. And if they see what they hope to see it can motivate them to open up a lot more. I'm not someone who lives with the illusion. That might guests are my friends. Very few of them are actually people who I know and socialize with outside of work. But I will say that when you spend an hour excavating someone's life insult the extent that we do on this podcast. They tend to remember it and you in the future, which has resulted in some very nice, well acquaintance ships, and I hear from some of our past guests that they are now regular listeners themselves, which is the greatest compliment they can offer by the way. You're incredible interviewer Mike, you are really good at this ache. You really I've been interviewed by lot of people. But you're very so nice of you. Thank you very much. I want to close by thanking the people who I work with and whose contributions to this podcast are every bit as important as mine have been again, it started at the beginning with Janice men and map felony. And I think them for believing in the possibilities for this podcast. I wanna thank our first recorder editor store to cash who was terrific through dozens and dozens of our first episodes Dennis Schweitzer who has filled in for Dora and her successors over the air sense. Ryan Gabe who has handled a lot of our episodes in New York and most importantly, Maui. Hearst who has been our principal recorder since we first try them out as a freelancer on the James corden episode, and who had even been editing a little for us before that. And who is now a fulltime teach our employees tasked with overseeing not just this podcast. But probably a lot more than he bargained for at the beginning. Ours is now, but one of three podcasts that comprise the Hollywood reporter's podcast network. The others being it happened in Hollywood. On which Seth Abramovitch and ship. Pope, take deep dives into major pop culture moments in Hollywood history and behind the screen, featuring Caroline GR. Dina's conversations with artists who work behind the scenes in the business and stay tuned because there are other podcasts coming soon people like Dora and Dennis. And specially Matt have at the put up with a lot of OCD type stuff from me over the years. There's a reason you don't hear us and in the final edits of our episodes. I think Dora had to cut something like five hundred instances of like, you know, what I mean from the Harvey Weinstein episode and Matt has encountered many other similar situations. But I think the thing that makes it worth the time and hard work for all of us is the knowledge that we have created something that people seem to really enjoy and learn from and feel inspired by and to be honest, the knowledge that so many people are listening and the occasional positive feedback that we get via tweets or emails or comments on I tunes, or whatever really means a lot to us and keeps us going. You don't get that same kind of a response. When you write up interview without the audio. There's something about being able to listen to great conversation, which I think people are maybe more willing to do in New York and LA where we all have commutes. And a lot of us are busy exercising and trying to make the most of every minute. This is the kind of content. The people seem to enjoy and we were just lucky enough to figure that out early on. And have a lot of other people publicists talent and others. Help us to make it possible. In my experience every person is endlessly fascinating. If you take the time to learn about them and ask them questions, but show biz people are, of course, particularly fascinating a lot of people. And so it has been and will continue to be our goal on this podcast to work with them to tell their stories in a special way. So again, thanks for your support through our first two hundred fifty episodes, please subscribe and radar podcasts and tellers about it and God willing, we'll make at least another two hundred fifty and you'll stick with us through them as well. And now for my interview with. Thank you so much for doing a spike. It's our two hundred fifty of sewed and we wanted to make video show. So you're helping us to to do that. I really appreciate it. So I guess to begin with can you set the scene of where we are right now. We're at the world headquarters forty is in the mule for green in the People's Republic of Brooklyn, New York. Let's right, and how long have you been in the space of the twentieth. This used to be garage. So now is museum. Yeah. So amazing. We're surrounded by stuff from all of your movies. And I think moves you love, right? Yeah. A lot of stuff assigned to behind. You is the French h sheet for on the waterfront sign to me twice. That's awesome. Yeah. And I see main streets and all kinds of stuff. So and then over there behind you is the post for midnight cowboy assigned by John Slesinger? The only x Ray film won best picture deaths. What is the slogan for this company by means necessary? You dig show enough. And then one other just setting it up kind of question. Why are your films called Spike Lee joints, grown up a joint was just a term? That was like men be some list. This good, you know, fly as you say, that's the joint the joint, and that was what you call them from the very beginning from college. We wants college Atlanta, Georgia. Yes. And I'm going to I'm going to ask more about all that because we're going to if it's okay Bill to the president. But I guess starting at the very very beginning. You were not born with the name, spike. Can you share? How you got the name spike as they say my government name Shelton Jackson Lee, right and Shelton was my grandfather's last name. And Jackson was my grandma's last name. But my mother the late Jacqueline Lee. She gave me the nickname, spike. She said the baby so is is stuck. Where were you born and raised in Atlanta Georgia March twentieth? Nineteen fifty seven and would your folks do for a living. Whoa. My mother taught. My father's a great jabs. -sition compose done a lot of the scores my film. He also went to Morales. Uh-huh. As in. My grandfather, my mother grandma with the Spelman to dominate African American schools across street. Three point other. So my father did the scores for my student films, and she's have at school days. Do right thing. Momentum blues at that s-. It's been terrible. Yeah. Grownup where movies a big part of life in the householder. No. Because of my father hated movies. So I was my mother was center follows Allah's my mother's movie day L on the oldest. Yes. But my father loves sports. So my love the sports came from my father in love sports n music. Yeah. From my mother too. But and my mother was film, your education beyond high school and your early career, I know was made possible by grandma. Can you explain how that came to be the case, all my grandmother was a teacher and she commuted between making Georgia and Atlanta Georgia, and at that time in the state of Georgia school the segregated. So fifty years that she taught should have had one white student whole lot of white students missed on green teacher Van Gogh was her favorite painter. And fifty is my grandmother is Zimmi Retha Shelton. She. Save the social security checks for her grandchildren's and to -cation SS hours. Eldest, I got for dips. So through the security checks which acquired interests over fifty years. She's help me get through Morehouse in. Why you grad film school? Also, gave me to seed money for might these film. Joe's Bissai bother shop which one student Cammie ward nineteen eighty two. My class artistic and who. Yes, great DP show. All my film in why also shot in order. She's have it school days. Do right thing mode better blues and Malcolm X at the knock mex- he went on the direct to pock in juice. I mean earn his came in. And and why you Greg films to be directed. But he was so vast Taga for it. He used at route to being sympathy. Get to be director his first film back in the John sales for breath from the planet, and he showed Joe's bests, I bother shop to get the job. And so was really helpful that he shot in a feature before we did or for speech together. She's going to have. Yeah. My gremlins gave me the seed money for she's gonna have it first film will I guess. The whole idea that you would even want to make a film really happens only in summer of seventy seven but before that something else happened. This is in seventy six year second year Morehouse you were just twenty very tragically. You had a great loss. And I I wonder how that if you can share with that was but also how it may have shaped you moving forward. Because again, you said your mother was the person who kind of lead you to fall in love with movies. Yeah. It's crooked. People really see if crooked, which is a satisfied graphical film and fill out the great alpha would, please. My mother is star like disco. My first two years it Morales hours like d plus c minus student. It was because I was smart not motivated and before going going back home to Brooklyn for the summer seventy seven my via the toll went that. Choose a major I said why? And my said because you auto Alexis. The came back in Brooklyn, and it was infamous summer nineteen seventy seven they were no jobs before that. I mean as long as you work card, you get a job doing something for the summer. But there were no jobs and have a friend. Her name is via Johnson. Grew up with. She went to Stuyvesant is coming very far smart. We she knew showing me a doctor early age with the Princeton Harvard med school when she she knew it right away. So anyway, one day, I was doing anything sitting my stoop. Again, didn't have a job and went over to our house or apartment and in the corner was a box of soup rate, say western Bach. He said super camera as it wasn't other boxes film. I said you have it gave it to me. And you'd never prior to that even thought about making movies. No. So I was making movies just made to do. Right. And as before is if the summer nineteen seventy seven why that because it's one of the hottest record in York City. Consequently had the blackout that was the first somewhere disco the Anki won the World Series and the David Berkowitz, right? On the Sam site spent the whole summer shooting a block parties shot a lot of footage during the blackout blacks employer. Ricans stealing shit color, TV's, Nick. And this news is like the phrases Christmas in July. Right. And then went back to school in the fall with all this footage and had the inmates. I chose mass communications the more often had that may to that across three o'clock calls professor, they're still there today has named Dr Michael Virga, courage me to make documentary out of the stuff that got all this footage on what to do with these white make Documenta so entitled last hustle Brooklyn as HAMAs last Tango, parody and dot com Beykal burqa. He really really took a keen interest. In me, mass cases first film. Radio television print journalism, and our film class. Only MIT three times a week. I think Monday with front is. But he would come in on Tuesdays and Thursdays because he had the key to the the lab, and he would come in not even getting overtime. This kept. It opens like a work on the film. So work in offer Samatha second semester showed and people liked it. He showed it in class showed in class. Yeah. So that's when I said this why wanna do right? Well, when you graduated in seventy nine I wonder if you can talk about what you did between then and going off to NYU grad school. I read about a few weeks you spend in LA eight weeks. Somehow I applied and got into Columbia Pictures inter ship and every week put with different department. So is really a I open to be on a studio SEO this thing works, but I've been accepted to in y you for the fall having applied to. To all. Yeah. Well list. Also, they remind also applied to three schools and why you AFI UFC the get into USC a fire. You had to get a. A certain score on. Yeah. SAT which I not get. And luckily that more forward thinking PY. Talking about the film school, right? Who thank God said that, you know, whether the people we exception not accept solely on your test scores. Right. And it's been proven those scores can be slanted. One went on a give you that. So I got NYU you started there. Just after the com- brothers graduate from the undergrad program rate while Jim Jarmusch is they're part of the grad program and in the same class as another Lee, no relation hang right Ernest Dickerson. Anglian same class with you. Amazing. And John was. I worked in the Clinton rooms. I check women not the gym. And then he made it while you guys were still in school while the rest of you are so yeah, he's he's still our hero. 'cause we were two young have been there. They all Oliver Stone, and and scores safety, you know, we were too young three. Yeah. Right. So we knew we NYU. But this somebody that will slow in the hallway and stuff. So even today he's a hero because he he really everything did with strain in paradise did what she's gonna have it. You know, the the can you know, all the festival circuit. You know, he he set the the roadmap for Indies in the eighties for sure we'll definitely for his fellow students who in grades below him. Yeah. It seems it's maybe in your DNA to question thority a little bit. And it sounds like even within your first aired NYU you did that too. The point where it almost got you booted. Can you share what you did that riled up some of your professors in why grad fill is three program and back then they had a policy the end of the first year to get rid of half of the class. They don't do it anymore under the Lee regime. I am. I mean wanna talk by ama- ten now grad also tar tick director, right? So very early on. I mess ter- class with shown Bertrand nation is seen clips by never saw the whole thing. And at that a class discussion was solely about all the innovations that the father of in quotations father sins cinema had come up with. But as far as the social political stuff aspect of the film that was not brought it all and Ernest. And I you know, we were having as I say they will feel certain type away. Will you guys were to only five people of color, red, right? Yes, we were only to the finish all three years. Well, so I'll just sensed film school you agreed on your films. So the ended semester and the year the faculty sits in data was called the Bijou the film school, then dead film school, then was on e seven three and the faculty sits in the Bijou in a your film. And my film was film called the answer by young African American ride director who's given the chance to direct a remake of Berta of nation for studio for studio, and he takes the job thing that he's gonna have control, which is not way stools work with the first time right direct, especially after American erector. And we had a lot of clips from some of the most demeaning clips for the nation in the film. And the faculty they voted me out. But they fucked up though to help supplement my tuition, I was a teaching assistant and I worked an equipment room. I was a hardest worker in the room. So because at work ethic, they slipped up and made mistake give me ta ship for second year before the valuations so you already in. But they throw me out. Somebody say we can't kick him out game a taste ship foot a sick. He'll ready, right? Chew story saved her. That's house able to stay net finished, my tea is NYU grad film, and that third years when you completed your thesis film that you referenced earlier which Jo's bedside barbershop we heads just to again, kind of remind people about a barbershop that's actually a front for a numbers game. You were just twenty five when you made that I read thirteen thousand dollars is all costs 'cause you were using all the equipment and student labor and everything we had to get it done. Right. That's what it is. And get it done. And it winds up at film side of Lincoln center's new directors new films festival. That's a big deal. Then the student Academy Award and eighty three that you talked about what was the biggest takeaway from completing that it was a struggle. But that was good. You know, you know, this good find out early that. This is not easy and everybody. Monty Ross help earn who used got anger. Impor- hang did sound. So we just had no yet come together. Everybody's a meal you help each other on their films, and you said shot by Ernest Dickerson scored by your dad. Yeah. My father's Billy score. So when you graduated having done that when you graduated in eighty two what happened between then and some are eighty five when you started on your first feature. She's gotta have it. I know you were taking the film around a little bit trying to get a job. Yeah. Or had agent. I couldn't even get ABC after school special. You know, just and then because Miana's I thought that me very naive thought that with me winning to Cami war. Did my phone ringing? All duck. Why do you think it wasn't book? It doesn't matter now. But all I can say is that, you know, Ana get new jobs, Donna, Guinea work. Ever move. Was that a factor that classmates were getting works? Yeah. Mean the phone was ringing and then a phone got cut off. Yeah. I was not gonna move up LA at that time, no black filmmakers work as up in the mail room. That was not going to happen. So again, looking at what Jim Jabir stood independent cinema. That was will be the way. All is gonna make us through film of that to beat start out in the film ago. So the first feature she's gotta have it came out on eighty six film about young black women's relationships with three two for men. It was promoted as quote a seriously sexy comedy, close, quote, eighty six minute Runtime black and white except one color sequence. When they say, Spike, Lee, independent filmmaker they may not realize what that actually means in that case. Can you talk about the schedule of the shooting and the and how you came up with the money for it? Which was only one hundred seventy five grand we shot into days to six day weeks July first to lie fourteenth, nineteen eighty five and the money was done in stages. So the first amount was gotta shoot it. The second out was raised more and get the film out the lab, right? The third mount was have money to live on like edit the film, right? So we can show it to. Potential investors. Who were Laurence Fishburne and Nelson, George who still collecting checks, you know, meant thirty his later on it. So. And then good a festival route. So the world may was that the San Francisco film festival and from there, we went to Cannes where we won the digitize records for Nyra it was. But I mean is it true? It got to the point where you guys were collecting bottles and cans and stuff to to redeem nickel deposit. Yeah. Guys. A couple of rolls of film. Why did you act on your first ten films? But never since well is Dr she's gonna have it be conformed to pain by. So did that and then but never really wanted being actor. No, no, no, it was just circumstance and MAs black may, you know, to relations with Michael Jordan Nike today because of performance and really cuts the film caught on not just the performance of. Nobody saw it wouldn't matter. But here you guys started out. It was interesting the kind of roll out because now I think it's maybe a little more common than it was then to start in just a few theaters or in your case. One theater, and you're literally standing there ending out pins and selling shirts, and like just getting the buzz going to the point where it could then spent there was one theater and performance as packed p line run a blog. So it was a miracle. Yeah. You know, you work ends up making a point five million. How did your life changes a result of that? I mean there had been obviously black filmmakers before from back to Oscar show, and I guess all the way through a few people who were on the scene a little bit before you Melvin van Peebles Charles Burnett. Larry Clark, but these guys had not Dave Davis. They'd my shots who directed a lot of the hit films of Richard Pryor. What were you able to do that? They had not been able to before was it just kind of progression. You know on their shoulders black will make you know, taking up after me. So is progression. Yeah. And then come back to that relationship with Nike. So the movie does well. You're suddenly on the scene headed you. Come to be involved with Nike. Well, two gentlemen who work at Wieden Kennedy, which is Nike's advertise as ni Jim Davenport. And Jim was his wall to call me up said they sought a film, and they wanna pair. Mas Blackmon what Michael Jordan? Somebody's one cats. Michael sign is deal. And he has a the wreck approval, and he hasn't he doesn't know, you know, of you has not seen the film. It was only two years ago at the NBA all-star game Toronto where finally Kerr's as Michael why did you choose me? Because at that time yet big time direct is like Bob drawl deeming people get anybody. Yeah. Big time mass now directors, and he chose me say why said motherfucker 'cause you wear my shoes. So the basketball love though, preceded your success you were into I mean 'cause on a knick game way way before I mean, do nice cool seats just got better. Not not not right away. Right. It's a couple movies. They moved me down every movie, right? All right. So the follow up to she's gotta have it with school days. Nineteen eighty eight a musical which kind of in some ways surprise people. You've always kind of kept people of balance, wait a minute. I don't want to how they I only want film before that right prize. Okay. Well, it was not like that. It was very different. It was. Well, I mean. Repeat myself. Sure, especially because people at office ducey's have a tooth for the second filler, you even back then they were onto sequel. So that's been around. Yeah. Well with school days, it's about these competing, the allergies on the temps of an all black college missing college. Yes. What are the last words of that film Waco? And then the first words do right thing. Also, do you think that woke comes from that the idea? Yeah. No one was saying woke that's new shit. Right. So, but I say wake up at eight. So that's what I'm saying. I feel like it's got to trace back to this. Who else was saying wake up in that context pairs getting the kids out of bit in that? It was a us that context, I guess with school days, though, you were a little frustrated by the lack of promotion of the film by Columbia was a sore spot because it was a great movie, but it didn't get seen as much as others right on think that A Columbia Pictures, do what they had and then they were or gene change. So that's never good thing. No films have yet to come out when regime chain, right? Just a year later, though, is when you put out what I think might be my favorite movie of all time. I have free time felt no say, I'm telling you man, I've watched and I'm that's not because I haven't seen, you know, classic movies. I I'm telling you are you all time films driving daisy. Shit. I don't we're gonna talk about that. Come on. Give me a little credit. So a somebody voted for win. I wasn't diaper. So a me, but what you gonna be like like, saggy wasn't me. I wondered if you've ever had this out with Morgan Freeman. That's what I wanna know. But we we've never know. That's never come up between. Right. But do the right thing Hotta stave summer on one black and Brooklyn, what was the seat of the idea and after writing script in eighty seven how challenging was it to get a studio to actually make it wasn't challenging it wasn't. I that one studio it wasn't paramount gonna do at one. But they they wanna do it. But the last minute like week before going to production. They wanted a script change. They wanna Mookie and south a hug ending the movie. And then play on the boombox what Sinatra or something? It would be Frank notch and be that coke zone ally. The. But anyway, right, and I wasn't doing that. So I called my friend Sam kit with executive at a universal got that Friday. He got it to Sean Daniels got at the Tom Pollock and couple of days later, we universal you go to work. Tom Pollack says you could do it for six point five not a penny more not anymore and make the film you. So that means shoot it in Brooklyn, do some of the cool technical things that you like to do. Right. So there were some of the looking at the camera face off stuff like that. I guess the biggest thing here maybe more than anything up to that point. Is that you're working with this large ensemble of actors from the veterans like Ozzy Davison ruby to the newcomers like Rosie Perez, and you said rose I phone Rosie's. I foam also Martin Lawrence the first phone. Yes. Lay? Great, rob Howard's, I film. So we a lot of I will you said, quote, do the right thing was the first time I really felt comfortable working with actors. It took me three films to get me to. Point close quote. Why was that? Well, film school, you really more proficient behind the camera was my experience and also you not paying the Actes and the act is no that. So once they get today's in then they know that you can do. Yeah. They can't be replaced. So they just act the fool, right? But again, the learning process, and so I was learning how to deal is the first two films. And so you have the final language to communicate to active all so I was better at that with do right thing than the previous two films. She's have at school days. The subject matter was pretty prescient is in one way appropriate word, but it was not that the stuff hasn't hadn't been going on all ready. But with for instance, radio Raheem, the idea of a conflict like that between an unarmed black man and the cops. Who are reacting to perceive threat. It's almost exactly two t-. What happened with our garner? A no. But in want PD who murdered Ray or any was based upon somebody else. Michael Stewart who is a feet artist. Okay. He has strangling little guy like my size. He got strangled deaf. The us square subway station for doing Fiji. So that was based upon somebody was that what made you wanna make that movie wasn't the incident. But I want to be that time Yuxi was racially charged on the leadership the not leadership of at Koch and live stuff was between time erica's African Americans had the central park five just happen. I think there's a whole lot of stuff going on now at that time, and you felt that making a film about this could have what was the desired effect. I wanted to put a light on you know, what is happening. One very delivered thing was that the primary was coming up in September. And did not want ad Kosta again. Yeah. How David that was the beginning thing is. Yeah. Curious over the years, what have your own interactions been with the NYPD cordial? All right. So this movie goes the can and did not win the palm even though it had gone over tremendously. Well, there I read the Sally field who was on. The jury told you that it was been vendors fault that he was quote hating on the movie, and I mean, no, they weren't using the term hating. There was okay. Sally fields and the late. Great hectic by Benko that let you know how this went down. And they told me and even today Venezuela's that. Still denies that. The president of jury has any doubt is not that is not does not chew. It'll make this clear. I never had any beef with steam somber because his film sex lies and videotape. Did get the pay was. I mean me have always been cool. Yeah. Really want state that that those those never been friction between us, right? We're cool. Still cool. My things with them Benda's. Think did you say you were you'd be waiting for him with a bat in an alley or something? Louisville slugger. I think he's still scared. But so I mean because the issue was that, you know, that thing about his thing. Again, I'm not trying to bring the stuff up which happened eighty nine and fact June third this coming June thirtieth is going to be the thirtieth anniversary do thing. Yeah. And people get it open the same day timbers Batman allow the same day. But when Ben then asks why the Digital's made he said because mckie's character was not Heroux ick because he threw the trash cancer of the window. Right. I know he that he just has roic and like James betas character goes right again. Eight Danes beta like that's not a standard for judging. Yeah guy. I mean, the that James spader. But his character was masturbating, and you know, Jones shit on with video camera. But that was just a lame excuse just said, look, I don't like the movie, you know, we'll say, and then which has been something that's been talked about for years. Why no at chimera or personal ever asked me why Mckee through the governor's window. Ever ever EV eight? No, African americ- person has ever asked me. Why Mookie thought a garbage can through the window, south Vamos pizzeria? Well, so I've read a lot of other people's takes on this. And there are some people who say that he did it to diffuse the situation. Now, look that might be there Pinon, but as the author. Yeah, Mookie through the governor's candid win because he saw his best friend with his own eyes strangler deaf and chokehold, and he just broke. Also, he screams hate too when he goes to and again going back to the knuckle rings war was comes from nine of the hundred nine hotter. And that script written by James AD, which we have some of that, that's beach. Love hate speech. Great performance by Robert mitchum, Drake. Vai chose lot only directed this. And I saw that film school. Okay. Well, meanwhile side from the insult of how the canned Jerry process, the movie in your in your view. It sounds like another thing that wasn't very helpful. Was that almost immediately? You've got a lot of the press. David Denby, Joe Klein, people are saying watch out this movie's gonna cause race riots. If it gets in theaters, I think that's where Tom Pollock needed bodyguards and other things because they said, we're putting the cell, right? Well, we gotta go back a little bit to this day. It was Denby. Joel Klein another guy, Jack Kroll. Thank is that his right foot. Time magazine all said that I think it was David Demi had the quote lip. Please hope that this film does opening your neighborhood. Wow. Go back, and look the purely racist the white both go crazy at the scene at the source Negga films are coming at that time. I mean, he was toll races that black people had the capabilities the intellect to discard a difference between was a screen and like automatically this civil right. Black folks, go insane. And that became a big thing. Will you said, quote, some white movie goers were scared to seat in theaters because they might be filled with crazy people close quote. And actually, I I don't know if this is true. Maybe you can clarify something. But I know for a fact that was right around that time late eighties that screeners. I started going out to kademi members as VHS originally. And one thing that I heard was that part of that was because even academy members weren't so sure they want to go see this movie theater. Do you? Remember anything about that? No, not me. I just remember that it was really despicable there. Right. Those words that basically saying don't go the movie because black people in a crazy as start rights, which never and then blood will be in my hands on your hands. Yeah. Jack, Kroll KO k-. L David Denby and Joel Klein. And so now comes to hero this which is Tom Pollock. Tom Pollock who's been. President of Universal Pictures was on the tremendous pressure to not at the least doll releases of attack. Yeah. Yeah. Release back. Yeah. And it was very understand at Mr. Polly done that because he just got to hell with last. I'm tasting Kreis. He had to have bodyguards his family was affected. So he ease. His spike. I can't this just hurt my family, walk run a fear. I don't wanna have bodyguard with me. I just went through this with mardi. I can't do again and as back to back, but he didn't do that. He says bike when put the film out. So it try give low. The Tom Powell says he's on sung hero Duda right thing of -solutely could have been very different if he would just delayed the release or also not put it out. Because they was again, you know, they on his ass. Yeah. Industry-wide well to do not release this film, one byproduct of the fact that they did release it is that Barack and Michelle Obama are together that was their first date. So thank you for that. All right. So along eventually come the Oscar nominations you were nominated for best reginal screenplay Danny yellow got nominated for best supporting actor beaten up by Denzel glory. Ultimately. Right. But you not nominated for best record. The film was not nominated for best picture and the eventual winner as we referred to earlier was driving mistake soda. Yeah. Dr his mouth. Now, just to just in fairness for to present all the facts, Bruce Beresford was not nominated for best director one of the few times the the picture winter. The director of that was not nominated who want to rector eighty nine was what it all do that year. Yep. Born on the fourth of July. But that still pisses you off you told Charlie rose in two thousand eleven quote, do the right thing was not even nominated. What film won best picture ninety-nine drive in miss mother fucking daisy. That's why Oskar is don't matter because twenty years later who's watching driving mistake he in twenty nine years later net. Well that time now I'm saying today still. Update. Two thousand fifteen you. You said, quote, are they gonna choose a film where you have a relatively passive black servant, or they get to choose a film with a menacing radio. Raheem a lot of times people are going to vote for what they're comfortable with and anything that's threatening to them. They won't close quote at that time you'd to suit an Academy Award. But this is seem like the movie that would have been your first mainstream. Only bothered you right? I mean bottom of people bring it up. But again, you know, do right thing is in the library congress. Yes. No. I'll show you my my plag- of stare elaborate congress and people love that film. And this is the good shit doesn't get old and on nothing. People steeping film. We've there we had the crystal ball this eight you talk about global warming. We talk on justification a whole lot of stuff, and that film, inspired, so many other filmmakers who have talked about its impact. I just wanna get one example, John single. Tin sought the summer before senior year at USC and has said quote after the movie, I just went to my dorm feeling intimidated but excited, and I was like how am I gonna make it in this business helm? I gonna have some type of voice, I roll down to my neighborhood where I grew up, and it just came to me. I said I got to do something for black south central LA close quote. So he began writing boys in the hood for which he became at twenty four the youngest filmmaker and the first black filmmaker ever nominated for best director at the Oscars. You know, how to similar impact on the other black filmmakers who have been nominated for that award Lee Daniel Sima Queen Barry Jenkins, Jordan Peele. They've all talked about it. So it's not only black directors. Of course, of course, not. But I just want to say that there have been now kind of new generation outrageously though, not not yet, Spike Lee, but this season, maybe that'll that'll change. All you mean as a nomination for best director, not even DJ also. Well, all right. So people should note that so I guess all this along with other things that have happened over the years. Such as the what's become known as Oscar so white. It's all left you feeling pretty conflicted about the academy. Right. Well, sure is the former president of the cabbie Motion Picture Arts and sciences. She did a great job behind. The hashtag ask why he really took that to board. Members say look, we got a open shoot up make diverse. I know for sure that had not been done open up the voting members the black people won Oscars since then would not vote not been there for them. So you think like moonlight wouldn't have happened before just to state the facts the year before the first of the two years of Oscar so way was an Oscar ceremony that you attended because you felt it was important to be there the night that twelve years a slave became the first film directed by a black filmmaker to win best picture. I want to be there. So the dilemma that internal debate. And a lot of Hollywood is if they weren't racist that year, then the next year when there. Aren't people of color? Did they here's the thing though? Black people have won Oscars is not like the nominees never happen. But every ten years seems like there's a slew black films in. My phone's ringing off the hook. Because people want me to come it on this rate, the the new renaissance of black cinema, right massive problems. Like every ten years some on the air in the next nine years famine. So as this one of those years, we got Black Panther black klansman if Bill SRI could talk green book, you're not gonna put that in there with those. I'm looking at your face. All right. Okay. All right. Well, let's say films directive. Okay. Directed by about black subject BRAC related subject matter. Okay. Well, I guess another one we may not you may not want to include in their sorry to bother you. No, no. All right. Moving onto the next Spike Lee joint here that we got better blues tribute to your father and other black jazz artists who had not been portrayed the way, you felt they should have been up to that point. What did you feel needed to be corrected or just felt that in some of the films previously? I just didn't see the man the new tragic figures, you know, that drug addicts and stuff like that. And not to say didn't happen, but join up in the jazz household, I mean, I just wanted to film to see the life, the joy that these great musicians have music that was mobile booth and had a budget of nine point nine I think gross forty eight jazz Artis played by Wesley Snipes and Denzel first time with Denzel of four. I think so far. How did you guys? I connect live in New York just knew each other. But like the ads that when Denzel is playing the trumpet. That's tears Blanchard. Okay. And Wesley Snipes is playing the sax that's breath from ourselves. Got it got it who start out playing my father scores. So the rampart and Terence reference. In fact, this featured on the score for do right thing. Well on that one mobile blues you and Dickerson patented what is now known as the Spike Lee signature shot the double dally that makes look like someone's floating when they're walking I guess by putting both the camera and the actor on Dali's, how did that become the Spike Lee shot I like to stay I vibe that I did not invent that shop become my signature shot at that time, or as an I still weren't out of film school. So we're just doing shit film school stuff. Right. But then earth night came decision net. We just can't be sticking shot anywhere. It hasn't really. It was not going to be helped store it move forward. Then we're not gonna use. It examined was at the first time Lee use it in that way was Malcolm X doing the research for the film on became very close to delay. Great, Dr Betty Shabazz mountains widow, and she can provide it to me that she felt that mouth of news going to be assassinated that day as it came off on Baldwin Harlem. And that he wanted to be mater, and so once Dr bass told me that told that the RSV saying way that now what she just told us to find a place for this. So it made sense. Yeah. Let's put that Dodi shot right before into to give his last speech at all autumn bowl. Definitely. I want to see if we can put to bed once and for all something that you started to be asked about I guess starting with mobile blues and people have brought it up with other things over the years. And I think I get you have a dry sense of humor. I think I totally get it. I am Jewish. I've never been really bothered by anything you've ever said. More jot flatbush didn't bother you the capital of the carry by Nick, well and Johnson. So that's where I want to just go with this because you had some people that said, hey, you're making the to club owners in this film, Jewish even though they're played by the taros who I don't think are. And so the repeal. You were saying that's anti-semitic, then they got angry when four little girls was nominated for the Oscar, and I think in the commentary, you said what chance does my film have when it's up against the holocaust documentary, which is also here's the thing that leaves without a film about the holocaust will like nine times in a row. That's no, I don't dispute that there were a lot of Hollick. So, but I mean, the notion that Spike Lee has a problem with Jews look black people promise bike lease. Let's let's go through the history. Right. She's have a misogynist freight school days black postman because I'm Aaron dirty laundry. Do right thing that films, the cause riots all across America black both Runamuck mobile blues. Antisemitic jungle fever anti-taliban Marican avenue death threat. I'm on the code and daily news cops guard, Spike Lee, we shooting Benson Hurst. We leave the gory. No. So, but here's the thing though in the history of the news business. There's never been any Jewish managers or whatever you wanna call it that exploited black artists who had wreck labels that will give people like Chuck Berry Cadillac for their royalties. I mean documented well, and when you show a minute. And it's nobody's saying this is every club owner or just the same way that nobody saying every pizzeria owner is racist or every, you know, whatever. So I, but I just wanted to address that because it I'm sure I know it's probably not in the same way. Nobody who isn't racist likes being called a racist. Nobody I'm sure likes being called antisemitic. So well, his Aleve. Something out my lawyer lay greats. He's a little league rates seems art decline Jewish the top entertainment lawyer, but Chanal lament who's my also, right? When this whole they came the anti semitic. He told me and this Gaza on shoots, his spike. If you don't write an op-ed piece, the New York Times saying at that's medic, you will never work in holiday chain. You're not anthem medic-. Yes. And do you research? There's a up. Ed piece ahead the right saying, I am not anti-semitic in my Jews. Lloyd told me it, right? This you will never work in Hollywood. Well, but even that could be you know. You know, what my Lord, of course. Yeah. Yeah. How this up in New York ties? Don't worry about it. He'll you ride it. Right. I'll get it in right? It's ancient right that. Yeah. But he says, spike if you re because you don't write this. Well, but I mean, I would think more than anything. I don't think you probably like being called antisemitic. But his thing though, if you look at the history of cinema. Yeah. All the UN is images of black folks, I'll pick out for but trail of to club owners who own this club. And if you look at the history of the music industry, I don't think that was an inaccurate. Let's go onto the next one. Let's go. All right. Thanks jungle fever. Another well because interracial, right fever. I'm the guest interracial marriage. I mean, every film this something we'll jungle fever though. So it's not like Newt is always going to be something every film because I think last do the subject matter, the subject matter this inefficient, and you know, how we deal with some issues that people. Yeah. There's issues and and make people uncomfortable journal fever. This was the first one that was scored by turns Blanchard who had been working on your films before that but not as the primary composer. And now has done it ever since what makes him. So good terrorists. I mean, he's a great musician. First of all a great jab position. He's trumpeter composer and his knowledge in music is so vast that wherever the film needs, you know, he he could deliver right now. It's amazing dozens movies you guys have done. I think together, but you're after jungle fever just to it's amazing the Tut Tut Tut these coming out right after each other, Malcolm X, second movie with Denzel. But in the run-up to that. I just wonder if we can set the scene because in March ninety one when Rodney King happened, April may ninety two the LA riots. How did those events shape your? You're thinking in the run-up to getting involved with Malcolm X that was worked out where it's got to be Norman Jewison, directing it. And you felt it should be ahead of me on Denso's attached to it. Okay. Did the only had was on just wanted to put that the beating Rodney King during open credit sequence. In a similar way to having Charlottesville at the end of black clansmen, just speaking to the president. Yeah. Well, that comes from my, you know, my documentary mind. I'm not saying you're wrong. But I'm asking you. Why was it not appropriate for Norman juice into direct, Malcolm X? I would not use the word appropriate known as Houston has said earlier that you know, there was a block the rector who do it. You know, I was step aside. Maga worth the producer film arranged in meeting between Norman I discussed it, and no juice, very gracious to step aside because he not he did not have to do that rose. His it was his film. Right, denzel. He did not have to do that. Banca fat. It was his film when you got involved, I think thirty three million dollars budget movie upset point working again with Denzel enough. What's was still? Well, that's where co two here, but Denzel by this points now and Oscar winner, you're part of this is being shot in Africa. You're trying to tell the story of the guy who I think you've said is maybe your greatest hero live the huge life. And then you're told the sped or not go over three hours. Right. Even though there's so much life to address what we're the financial implications of you wanting to keep it over three hours. Well, from studio standpoint three are film gives you one let screen at the movie theater, so oneness clean. It means that this. Less morning to make right. We felt that we need for hours is based upon. I mean, we want this be like that big stones David lean lawns Rabia, Dutcher Vago, rich, requi- epochs. And ethics. Can't do a big in two hours. Malcolm. Let's so many different lies. And we felt that when he's at time the show his evolution and Warner Brothers. They didn't want to do that. So was this your first time really, I guess with big budget working for studio. I mean, we do before. But now its biggest budget you had. But at the same time it really wasn't enough. Yeah. So all refused to cut the film and the studio let the bond company takeover the movie in so all the people doing working on post would got red lettuce, and you fired. Had to make some phone calls and got the money to continue editing. But that at that point there was no interact with twenty myself and steal because as far as legally the steel did not on the filming more is is under the bond company owned and so on a list of prominent African Americans they wrote a check Jackson Oprah Winfrey. 'cause we prints Michael Jordan Magic Johnson, Tracy Chavan. You got a all star team. And a woman named just recently died. I didn't know she died. Piggy. Kupa K Fritz. And on Malcolm's birthday. We had a press conference this Schanberg library in Harlem. Yep. We made the announcement that is prone after Merrick's written a check. So we could Tina film in the next day. Miraculously back work, warm weather. Start took the film back from the mon- company starred the finance post production to finish. So that film did farewell like all the other up a little controversy. But that's good just to very quickly hit on a few of the others. That are some of the most important ones crooked ninety four was at your most auto biographical the car Michaels in that movie like the lease family in Brooklyn semi or by graph some out. No, I mean, that's I've said that from beginning outs. My family in the movie for boys and girl. Yeah. Yes. But my sister's while my brother Sankey, they written at Spitzer and tie was called hop. Piece of butter which is name of mainstreet game, you play here New York City, and then I came in and we wrote it, and so that's that's not really, but it's added stuff, and that's crooked Clockers ninety five sort of the wire before the wire in a sense. I guess originally was going to be score Stacey into narrow. So how did it become Lee? Of course, acey had universal by the novel. Richard price clock is big amount of money for Robert narrow starring as something happened and he wanted to casino instead. So might wanna leave universal holding the bag so he called me look Alexander produce, and I want to film, and they went off into casino that year, I guess ninety seven first time outside of college that you did a documentary four little girls, which we mentioned earlier you ended up getting an Oscar nomination for about the sixteenth street. Baptist church bombing in Birmingham, nineteen sixty three that killed four little girls. What made you decide to do that for the first time, and we should just before you answer. I should just know you've done a lot of them since then ridge kings of comedy in two thousand when the levees broke which was so great in two thousand six to Michael Jackson one's bad twenty five and Michael Jackson journey from Motown to off the wall two thousand twelve in two thousand sixteen but this was your first interview George Wallace, you you've got these guys finally brought to Justice. I mean, what was the driving reason for that my family's from I'm on. My father's side, my family's from Alabama and snow from snow Alabama, which is not that far Montgomery. So I've always been interested in that. And went to HBO is let's do it chilling Evans. Yes. She'll Nevis the great. Not late. No, not all around late of HBO, though. Yes. Yes. She's retired. She's all the documents. I did HBO. For her. Yeah. Man and the president Richard clip ler. Yes. So wanted to tell the story and speak to the parents, the friends say what would the question will who would these young black girls become who they become at? They had been given the chance to live now J who was not a friend of black folks, he was not a friend on the to rice movement. The FBI knew that week. Who did the bothers the guys nickname was dined? Bob, his nickname is dynamite. 's Birmingham, had the nickname bombing ham and black homes being bombed. So those murderers in not good jail. Fulla girls opened the film form I think like a two one and before I got a call FBI. They want to see the film. At the at the open, the FBI press charges against those guys as one of the things, I'm proud of that. But they died in prison. Right. Yeah. Now what you was that ninety seven ninety seven okay and did nineteen sixty three for thirty four years later. So those modify. Clam focus murderous terrorist, walk free all those years. The thirty four years the day at this open the got him they got him. But the crime is that they knew whose mothers were the week of the bombing. The guy's name was nicknamed Donna my bub yet. But I hate to say it. But like we got a woman in Mississippi right now who's going around saying she loves to be at a public hanging on and on and on. And she's about to get elected to the US Senate, Mississippi, people know this they're still parts of this country. Right. This is this Alabama. Well. Well. Those are those are two states. I don't imagine you're vacationing in anytime soon. In fact, the character Alec Baldwin plays black based upon that governments simpy well governor Mississippi 'cause I wanna ask you George Wallace to look George Wallace in the is the man who was the architect of all the bullshit that you're racist had to deal with for your lifetime and Welby for his thing known our shocked when he agreed to do. Yeah, interview. But and understood he was not long for this world right in. So what is trying to do with revise his narrative? Right. Revise his history of hate. 'cause he knew he's going sees maker. Did you want to expedite that process? When you were with them. No. I mean, it was really pitiful. I mean, I'm not because I felt so I form, but he was like a sale of the person. Quest felt saw a photo is black Bill nurse. She's we would die laughing. Like, spike. He gave me a look like why you've got me up in this. All right. And just said Gration now Secondly, I mean who stood in the door on the Alabama. So Vivienne Malone would not tend. I mean, it was a surreal moment interviewing George Wallace. All right. I'm going to go quick as I can't get to the present. But just how can I overlook for instance? He got game you're third with Denzel plan. The felon Ladda prison for a week by the governor to try to convince his son top well player. Yukons own Ray Allen. I'm Connecticut guy to go to the governor's alma mater your first screenplay since jungle fever seven years earlier. I original screenplay while tell that one. I'm a basketball fan, right? People always make about basketball. So by know, what the story was. That's why that Wyndham prior. Right. But it came to me, and, you know, people love that film absolately summer, salmon, ninety nine a film about the summer, you became likely, the filmmaker ironic, and in this case, not actually really even those called summer of Sam. It's not even really about the killings. Well, it's the backdrop yet. Now's the craziest. Yeah. That's some. It was insane. So his house some Osam happen. Vic Joe Michael imprio- league gave me that scrip malls working on clocks imperial have been Malcolm X, right and also appeal from depths pronto later. Yeah. So the scoop was called anarchy in the Bronx. And I liked it a lot so do it. And so we wrote it. Not really, but just add stuff. Yeah. Yankees Yankees all that stuff because I just remember that summer so memorable but them their viewpoint was is a town America neighborhood. You know, aren't the avenue and destroy actually happen. You know, where this God's accused of being the Sani be. He was might say was weird. Right. And so that was reason Nuff beat his ass. Right. As really about visit lanting mob. You know is horrible where the Lanta mom. You know, they gotta have a scapegoat. You know, a lot of times people get strung up to well. Yeah. Many Mott's Boisson it, absolutely Levin. Henry Fonda bamboozle two thousand black TV producer Damon wayans hoping to get five from the job. He hates puts on a mental show. But it becomes a hit sort of the producers model definitely that's where it came from a musical in a sense of backstage musical shot on digital for the first time. Why that Ellen curious DP we want and most TV shows were at that time with shot, you know, digital. So that was our decision twenty fifth hour drug dealer on his last day of freedom before beginning prison sentence. I post nine eleven Spike Lee film, made two thousand two it was a I deal nine eleven period. And so. So you felt that you wanted to. L knowledge been a great not late. Yeah. Yeah. Future game with own right and the novels written before nine eleven so the film, the idea was to preserve what I want to make this don't take polls eleven nuke city was dealing with nine eleven got it in two thousand six I think you had your most commercially successful movie ever with inside man back with Denzel for the fourth. Most recent time kind of no MAs in some ways to dog day after noon, which I know is one of your favorite. Yeah. That's that's secret. You're watching film several times in pre production. And I just wanna mention for listeners because I thought that I got such a kick out of this. If you pay close enough attention the same after who delivers the pizza in inside man is the guy delivered it in dog afternoon, except this time it's got cells on the I love, right? And while always get her name one of the hostages yet is hostage from that. Yeah. Oh, my go- one. That Clive Owen says taking clothes off. She was a hostage not Doug afternoon. Also, and you've done other links like that just for people want to go back and look again bugging out from do the right thing jungle fever as a homeless guy the cops who killed radio Raheem and do the right thing rests Wesley Snipes jungle, fever, right? I'm sure there are others that I'm not even aware of. But that's just kind of your wink to your loyal audience. Yes. You know, connect the world the universe, right? We'll coming off of inside man, though with that big of a commercial success. Did you figure that the next movie you can kind of have a little more freedom to make it about what you want to get the money? Wanna do it always had the freedom to do what I want? Whether I got that financing. That'd be the case. But I'm gonna make the film. I wanna make because my sense was you thought now's the time when they're gonna give me a little bit more financing to do one of these movies. I really have always wanted to do Joe Louis. Jackie Robinson, whatever. And it just didn't happen right now that that's not the way work crave. Differences. Jackie robinson. I wanna tell his whole life. You know powers. Be this wanted pick one year forty seven. That's not the story wanna take because he just show up forty seven use grandparents were slaves, right James Brown. That differ, viewpoint. You know? This is all about how you wanna tell that story. And I'm not gonna do some that, you know, I don't think. At this best for me. Right. Joe? Louis was going to be with the bud. Schilberg scrip. Yeah. Delake great. Yes. But should we very good friends? Yeah. We wrote a script called saves Joe Louis about the friendship of hey champions match melon. And Joe Louis, and you still wanna do that? All yeah. I made a promise to but of the one that did happen after inside man was miracle. Sana two thousand eight volume four members of the US army. Segregated ninety second division the buffalo soldiers fighting the Nazis in Italy at the end of World War, Two first film, and the fascist and the fascist first film that was made about them. Really? I read that one of the people who was kind of helpful in terms of providing viewing ideas of things to see before that was one of your favorite filmmakers and fellow New Yorkers Martin Scorsese, I guess that he kind of opened up his library. T- of older movies that might be worth looking at before that. Yeah. The time near realism films, and that was helpful very much because those films was shot shortly after the war. You can see the rubble end industry. I guess, you know, one thing that I always thought was kind of interesting that movie miracle San came out September twenty six thousand eight just over a month later November fourth two thousand eight Barack Obama becomes the first black person ever elected president. I guess just the contrast of the history, and then that moment help install. I'd never connected to now that I'm not my mind. Okay, there I was gonna just sit parked rain. So what did that night mean to you? This is that you had to have thought lap right ever happened. And this guy in the White House has really got a lot of the stuff got done got rid of will. So that's that's when Obama gets elected. Did you believe we turned a corner and then? You didn't I did not drink the post racial Kula who late right wasn't doing. And so then when Trump comes along the person more than any other prominent person who tried to de-legitimize that first black president, and he gets elected, what did that tell you? I knew way before we took it a full page ad central million dollars reward for clues leading to Commissioner page at New York Times. And this is a guy who doesn't spend money on any they'll Steph anybody, so he really had fashioned out. He might guessing wheels to pay. That's true. Never know. Definitely with him to sweep letter Jesus two thousand fourteen and then Sharak two thousand fifteen I one people see spike Lee's raising money for a movie on Kickstarter. They thought you'd fallen upon hard times. Like, what was the reason to go to Kickstarter is thing. I've always been a independent film have never, you know, I go back and forth where the money is. And with the film. I wanted to make this film and stills did not wanna make it. So that's not because the wanna make it is not a reason not to do it. But cow say this also our Kickstarter effectively. Megaphone calls the bottles and cans. Letters write host card, right? The principles of kickstart. I was doing in eighty five they owe you royalties. So is technology makes it right? Put you in touch with fans. So right. That had no problems doing that. No, no. It got it. Got the job got the film. All right. Black klansman true story. Ron stallworth black cop who in nineteen seventy eight infiltrated the KKK just to against seen here. The showdown between the racist and the anti racist. Charlottesville took the right to unite. Yeah. March summer of two thousand seventeen that resulted in the death of Heather higher on August, twelve twenty seventeen. How did that whole episode impact you and where you already at work on black klansman? We have pre production was a modest vineyard sought on CNN. And I knew that this had to be ending so aptly finish shooting. I got Susan, bro. Number. She's mother of heaven, and she gave blessings to include her daughter who's murdered in homegrown red wine and blue apple pie cherry pie active American terrorism, and that was a terrorist act, but the right people on both sides. Yeah, I do hope that people start on the stand this false narrative terrorism's only by ISIS or some Muslims more terrorism. By Americans anybody else is you look at the numbers. And also if I might add that hate crimes antisemitic crimes gone way up since this guy's been the White House as my belief. I'm not saying everybody else was my belief that if the president the so-called leader free world has says of different words at that press conference. If he would we aided hate if we had repudiate his active American terrorism. Repudiated the clan. All right. The nazis. I don't think we've had this. Great surge in hate crimes because is my opinion. That press conference was the green light. Yeah. Came permission. They had like the approval good housekeeping seal of approval. Yeah. Now, you got high school kids in Wisconsin, giving the Heil Hitler in photo. They're not even barest all this stuff. And then I mean who's to say with that act American terrorism and instant gone, Pittsburgh happened, right? I mean, that's death with letter bombs have gone out a me he was really what he did. That's wind that footage in there that press conference he was preaching to his. Hey, choir to me that if you still supported him after Charlottesville. I've ended friendships over that. I don't see how you can possibly justify continuing to support him after that whether you're black Jewish or anything else. Well, when money's involved when people pray amended knee at. At the alter the almighty dollar debts. You get this say fuck that guy got cut up. Oh, yeah. 'cause Shoji, you know, we have a great later with Saudi and Lord the oil. So one guy asked the die breaks Kerr's. All the. Isn't that funny? Because it's sad. It's is not making please audience. Totally emails not making light. Now. A brutal assassination. Yep. Both the point trying to make is that when you pray at the altar almighty dollar. You don't care can harmed hurt or killed so them price doing business is I got some. I gotta die. Elliot. Well, that's for Indies. And he's out think this guy's being bash about that to know he said, look, maybe. Talking about the maybe they did it. You did. And then the CIA, oh, even before that he knew that they? Saying the guy did it. He's like well unbelievable. I mean, he's the stuff is done to do digital system. Yeah. At the I CI everything I mean, well, so in the context of the Trump era where you kind of amazed to learn maybe you knew it already. But that forty years earlier a black guy had managed infiltrate the KKK. It's like a Mel Brooks movie. Join appeal called me with the pitch. I never heard of. And joining you how come you have to ask him okay to ask him, but he called which Cassie wanna greatest steel pitches. Six words ever of all time. The pitch was six words, black meant traits klu Klux Klan. Now you've worked four times with Denzel Washington. How did you in this case say not even auditioned on anything? I know the right guy for this is John David Washington, his son, our new ligon, do it. When did you first meet him for was born? When did you work with them? When you I work with him, Malcolm X, he's one of the young kids at in the film, the stands up in class says my name is Malcolm X, he was six at that time. And then you got to connect, you know, really back to history put in there for one of the most mazing monologues. Anyone ever see Harry Belafonte? Did he get his honorary Oscar same night, you got yours that was a different year different year. But why was important to put Harry Belafonte in this movie, we need someone who is a certain age because he's playing someone that I witnessed to this act of terrorism. Yeah. And also the weight he brings I mean, he's been a freedom. Fly all his life. He was their next king. And nothing like the say is that people forget, you know, there was a Hollywood that was really radical. He looked Dr king pictures, Paul Newman. Yeah. James garner. Even. Charlton heston. Yeah. They were they Burt Lancaster. Yeah. They were there marching with Dr king. No, and Marlon Brando very much, they'll write checks to. So I don't think we should get that. No. So to bring it full circle this movie premieres at can backing competition you'd been there over the years since do the right thing with jungle fever, which was in competition. Ninety one girl six out of competition ninety if the jungle fear is amazing sand did not get Oscar nomination because in can they gave award they made up an award for him. Yeah. He's so good. We don't have. We gotta make up award to give it to them. Supporting a word. I think I mean. Jack's performance and jungle fever is gator. Oh my God. Amazing. Yeah. So then you were back with girls six which was out of competition. Ninety six summer of Sam part of directors fortnight ninety nine but this time in competition. They applaud your signature shot, and you actually take home, some hardware grand prix. How did that all feel just kind of full? I would imagine a full circle moment. Novem vendors on the jury. And again, I like to say this. I've no problem with can. Yeah. I mean that thing then Benda's is not will never diminish the good times I've had there and and as honor the accepted where the income tissue not to graze what I feels the greatest film festival. There is always have a good time. Right there. And I've come to learn that time in has lot do everything. And sometimes it really gets over the hump things hat the stars had to align and the stars line with this film, and it started it can. Yeah. You know, this very timely film. And just one of those things that you sit back and just enjoy. It is interesting that you told people before the premiere screening, I think, and then also I think before the first LA screening at the academy, which I was at and you made a point of saying, it's okay to laugh lies that important to tell people I have experience in bamboozle aware of. There's a scene bamboozle with something funny. And the white always members turned the breakfast. Like, my lab, I gotta get permission right and blackboard fill out. Right. I said that because sometimes always don't know how to deal with the film has Umer with very serious subject matter. I understand that. So I wanted to give going members permission is okay. If you laugh, but the same time saying is still verts through subject matter. And so we do film like that. All comes down to balance to get the right balance between the tone and the serious subject matter. Right. And that's something that my man, Barry Brown. Great job in doing and getting the balance in this film, absolutely longtime editor school days. Do right thing. Better thirty years. Yeah. Malcolm X inside man to close which I know it's been a long one. But I so appreciate it. What keeps you doing this? The only other person who sort of has turned out as many good movies over as consistent pace as you is in its own way, the other New Yorker Woody Allen who I don't think it's going to be keeping his Clint Eastwood Clinton. Yeah. But not even at your you're talking like every year every other year with you. But look at Clinton, I'm easy. How old he now? Just got a call them. You'll know it's amazing. But he hasn't been directing for thirty five years or whatever every year. Well, all right. So what keeps you doing it? You could slow. You can relax you doing what I love. Okay. Last question you and your family, I believe something like twenty years ago, moved to the upper east side. And yet you still keep your production companies offices here in Brooklyn and come here from what I understand almost every day. Why you don't have to live where you offices make your life? Lot easier to have your office near where you live. My my wife said we leave Brooke air by in Brooklyn New are lift. Ringing a Bill four o'clock in the morning. Saying spike was my second cousins third grade class and my wife had enough to we gotta go, right? But you didn't wanna leave. I wanna leave wasn't gonna choose broken. My my wife and my daughter who's a year old. Does it tell us something about you? That Spike Lee may live in on the upper east side, but he is not left Brooklyn to be honest. Don't give a. Could be the answer to most of this. Right. People live what they wanna live, and I was not gonna Brigham family. Right. The live. Just didn't wanna move all this coal memorabilia. But now is not good Tien said, look, she said gonna make a choice right year old daughter me, Brooklyn. Great. And it was like the Jack Benny thing. What is this? I'm thinking. Well, this is such honored on this. Thanks very much for tuning into awards chatter. We really appreciate you taking the time to do that. And would really appreciate you taking a minute. More to subscribe to our podcast for free on I tunes or your podcast app. And to leave us a rating as well. If you have any questions comments or concerns, you can reach me via Twitter at Twitter dot com slash stop fiber. And you can follow all of my coverage between episodes at T HR dot com slash the race. Until next time. Thanks for joining us.

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#1299 - Annie Jacobsen

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You can't get twenty percents off batteries. So everything else though. Twenty percent off with the code Joe Rogan. That's S T. I is E Y dot com. And the code is Joe Rogan four some fantastic. Top of the food chain CBD products. I'm a big fan of their stuff. It's really excellent. Okay. My guest today is a journalist, who has written several fantastic books that are really interesting. And I really enjoyed talking to her. We talked about area fifty one the CIA and she's got a bunch of great books. She's awesome. Please. Give it up for Anne Jacobson. Joe Rogan experience. Podcast. Hello. Very nice to meet you. I'm excited to talk to you. I'm super excited talked to you about several subjects, but this one, thank you very much for this. I addition copy of your area, fifty one and uncensored history of America's top secret military base book. I'm super excited about this. I heard through the grapevine you are a fan. I'm a freak when it comes to this stuff do what do you think is going on up there? I mean, same thing that's going on all over the place. When it comes to military secrets, which is stuff that you want to know about very few people know about an every now and then a journalist gets a hint. Right. Do you think there's any alien stuff up there? I write in the book all about. We'll tell them twelve pages you want me to. Think so area. Fifty one was this secret test base where the CIA was running spa. Spy plane programs. Right. So interestingly my new book is about ground branch guys on the ground that's about air Branch What we were doing in the air. And it was this idea that we should spy on the enemy. Okay. And but if you go back in time, why area fifty one really started you learn that it was a base hidden inside of a base nuclear weapons, and it was all about beating Stalin at his black propaganda campaign. So right in the book to hoax Americans in a war of the worlds type scenario, whereby little men, who looked like aliens would get out of an aircraft and the government would go crazy about it, and then stolen would say, look, we have not only do we have technology better than you. But we have a better propaganda department than you route that Joe you gotta read the. Whole book. This is a tough opening. You got me. But it's a good spot. Right. Good. So Stalin just hired short people really do. All right. I'm gonna make you save that I'm gonna make you earn. Yeah. I mean you want me to talk about that right now. Right off the bat. I'm sweating. We're gonna get to surprise kill vanish as well. I want to just yeah. Why it make use what? Oh my God. It's such an incendiary topic. I mean, people people want to believe there early. Right. Okay. I mean, I've spent five books dealing with the Batholomew of area, fifty one, which is phenomenal in its own way. Because it speaks so much to power to morality, too information to. You know, people's desire to know what's going on and, and the government's desire to keep things hidden. So this topic is always coming up because a lot of people want to believe that there were aliens in that craft and my source who I write about in the book told me otherwise that they were genetically, you know, that they will. Because when you say that craft which you mean is the supposed you have records a crashed in Roswell New Mexico in nineteen forty seven. That's what you mean. Right. But that was never supposedly taken to area. Fifty one was supposed to be taken to Wright. Patterson air force base. The legend has it that Truman flew there to meet them. And right, that's one legend. So in my book, I interview a man who worked for the atomic energy commission who tells a different story tells the story of receiving that craft at area, fifty one in nineteen fifty one, which is why the base is called area. Fifty one oh. And that inside the craft were humans, who had been altered surgically altered to look like aliens in a plan for Stalin to sort of twist Truman's arm because at that time. We had the atomic bomb on Roswell happened. We had the atomic bomb. And the Soviets did not. Because when you say humans that were surgically altered to look like aliens, d does de mean so this is nine hundred fifty one so you're talking about four years after this supposed crash. So what? They kept the body bodies in what from behind us, and also because the idea was and remember or I can't say, remember, because you haven't read the book yet, and I wrote this book eight years ago, but it did really impact a lot of my of my thinking, and working on, on government secrecy projects, because it makes you really consider what a hoax means and what it means to a population of people on how the government begins to work with disinformation versus cover stories and all of that. But going back to answer your question that is what I was told by the source that, but how reliable is the source. This is a very incendiary idea to rely upon one individuals recollection of it. Which is why the book went through the roof in terms of people being upset about it. I mean we're oh my God. I interviewed Seventy-nine CIA guys air force guys. Spy pilots, engineers. I mean. The conspiracy, theorists were mad because they said this woman is bananas. They were aliens. Well, even if they weren't aliens, right? There's also there's accounts that it was some sort of test vehicle, and that they were actually just dummies inside their crash. Test Dummies of the us, there's been a bunch of different versions of it. But the most compelling version of the area, fifty one alien meth to me is Bob Lazar. Did you get into that? He plays a huge role in area fifty one. I mean before Bob Lazar went public. No one even knew about area. Fifty one people knew people. It was it was common folklore, but there was no definitive proof that there was something going on over there, other than some weird VHS footage of things flying around in the desert that seemed to be behaving in a way that modern aircrafts are not totally capable of at least modern piloted aircraft. Not totally capable of. I mean, which brings me to another book, I wrote called the Pentagon's brain which, you know, sort of off this idea was like, wait a minute. What kind of technology is the government capable of? And we have it whole department for that reason called DARPA, which looks at weapon systems, twenty five years out. So the idea that you and I don't know what the military is capable of in the air underwater, wherever it may be is because we're not thinking twenty five years out, and they are, and they're developing weapons systems, the great weapons systems of the future. That's what they call them. Probably developed a stealth bomber Lincoln, that was all out an area, fifty one and groom lake and. What do you think of Baba's, our store because baba czar story? What's it? Really there's some fascinating aspects to it. But one of the most fascinating, some of the things that he's said that people said was horsh it has told has been proven to be true like one of the things the, the biometric reader that measured the, the length of the bones in your hand and that they are unique as unique as a fingerprint, and people like what are you talking about? And then they actually found out that this was something they really did have, and they have photos of this thing. Now, this is something he talked about, and they claimed it was science fiction. I mean, it's fascinating when someone touches upon a subject that the government does not want known about for any reason, and there is a campaign to discredit that person is no doubt that that happened to him. I mean it was remarkable, and I write about him in the book, because if you follow the logic that my source told me that these were modified human beings as part of a hoax, and the reason that I trust the source is because Joe he told me that he also. Oh, worked on the program. So he had like a burden to unload. Right. And so if you follow that logic through, then, the Bob has our story is that, Bob, when Bob Lazar said, I saw an alien it looked like this, it was small. It had big is it's yes, those were the Jeannot genetically. I mean, those were the surgically modified humans that the government was doing experiments are think Bob Lazar exact, quote, was he walked by a window and looked in. He saw two agents that were looked there were looking down at something that was very small and looked humanoid. But he didn't know if it was a dummy or anything and he wasn't even supposed to be looking in there. And it was a brief like one second look that he has bounced around in his head back and forth has it ever occurred you that maybe the guy who gave that information? Did work there. But is also feeding you horse shit. Well, the source was a major player in the Manhattan project. He went on and worked in the atomic energy commission. I mean there's a wing of a museum named after him his accolades his awards were. So extraordinary would never said name, although I will say this, you're giving away giving away a lot of the stuff of easily died. And he didn't give me permission to tell his full story after he died, and I'm circling around that circling around that. But he was absolutely a. With a q clearance. That's what you have when you have access to nuclear secrets. So if someone has a q clearance for decades, and they're full of garbage, you really have to ask my God. Should this guy have acute Clarence? I mean, that's reverse engineering his credibility. But I think you should read the whole book, because, you know, it's shocking what he says, but it does make sense if you can get through four hundred pages of, you know, the CIA's is idea about information disinformation. Why we need to cover things up. Why? That's why I'm asking. You think that he's he might have been lying to you? I don't believe However Asian. No. I don't believe I don't believe so you think that the Stalin that the Russian government definitely did surgically alter people to make them look like aliens. I believe images. And they believe what he told me. Did you see photos? No. I did not see, here's the rub ready. When I was writing another book called phenomena, which dealt with the guy and the Pentagon's use of psychics. Okay over decades. I mean this goes back everything, right about pretty much goes back to post World War when remote viewing style. Yes. And it's all about government US government takes pole position after World War Two and we now need to always be ahead of the curve. We must lead we can never get beaten by the Russians. Now it's trying to okay. So the psychic program had a lot of people who really believe in aliens, or, you know, other Intel intelligence from other worlds, and when I was. Writing the phenomena book. I learned a whole bunch of new information about how upset they were with my story because they and they all knew the source by the way, they knew the source, and they believed that he was fed misinformation. So these are two sides of the coin which are super interesting. I think if you can look at them with your own biased turned off and not have a desired outcome. I wanna believe this. I don't wanna believe this speaking of I want to believe, you know, it was working on a project with Chris Carter, the who is the x files creator. And the one person I took the source that I wanted to meet the source was Chris Carter. And I we went out there together and sat with a momentum and it was well, because the source had never even heard of the X files at it was like, oh, I know, I'll be talking about baseball, you know, real. Yeah. Yeah. See, I don't have a desired outcome. I mean I would love to failings. We're real, but when someone starts talking about disinflation and propaganda campaigns, but they want you to believe them. Right. But don't listen, I'm here telling you the truth. I'm here telling you. I'm not saying I'm telling you the truth at all. That's why not know let's wait. Sure. Our three because it's too explosive people have such a horse in the race already with aliens. You think well of I mean, maybe you are neutral. I don't know. I know I'm neutral. I will listen, I absolutely want aliens to be real hundred percent. It'd be interesting. I'm not neutral. I am neutral in my perceptions. And when I look at things I go Hm I don't know about that me to see a picture. Like, what are these, what are these guys looked like I mean, what did they do to them? Did he describe what kind of surgical alteration stayed with a source? I mean, after the book published I would go and visit him. We'd sit in a Chinese restaurant and eat and talk. And I would try to get a droplet of information out of him. Oh my God. He avoided. I mean, look, here's another thing when the book came out his wife of sixty five years knew it was him. Okay. And I went out to Las Vegas and sat there in a room with the source and his wife and she said, tell me this isn't true. Tell me you made this all up to her husband, and he said, it's the truth. I mean that's a triangular version of getting at the truth. But again, to reiterate, I believe he believes what he told me was the truth. That was the truth. He was told our think through certain agents that think it's fun to fuck reporters and journalists and make things up. A really do. I think especially when they're talking about secret information that they were sworn to protect and then. All of a sudden they want to talk to someone that they don't even know on the sneak tip. Let's meet at diner. I'm gonna tell you every not how in that. Well, I mean, I mean, what however you met, we met because I was interviewing nuclear weapons engineers, who are setting off nuclear bombs in area, fifty one mushroom, I mean, in the Nevada test site area, twelve area, twenty three and they all said to me. You've got to talk to the top engineer of all this weaponry, and they gave me his name. And we talked for days hours about nuclear weapons, and then in one conversation, he began to cry. And told me this story that I was like what was a crime? He was crying because he participated in our version of the human experiments, because what the Russians do we do look at books about them altered people to make them look like alien, according to him, we had a small program in nineteen fifty one where we wanted to see how the Russians did what they did, how they made human beings. Look like this where they do take prisoners or something, like what who they alter? He said they were handicapped children. Oh, jesus. And he told me that he participated in this. So again, I mean, unless you have someone that lost their mind at age ninety and was willing to tell their wife of. Sixty five years. I lost my mind. So he's saying that he participated in something that altered handicapped children. When you say handicapped me, like down syndrome, or something like that, and they made them look like aliens, and then killed them. What did? How did they what did they do with this is where we get into drops of information? But what I can say is he had a grandchild, that was born that way. And, and the grandchild did not live long. The grandchild died and it made him feel so guilty about what he had done that he felt compelled to, to confess if he will. And I remember saying to him, why are you telling me this, why don't you tell a priest and he said a priest would judge me and I can tell you won't why wouldn't you judge them a judge them. Well, I guess that's why I'm born journalist Joe because really try not to judge people I mean my new book surprise kill vanish. It's about assassins. It's about people who work. For the CIA who do what needs to be done on the ground in the name of national security. I don't judge them. This is why, you know, what's really at issue, here is morality. Right. I mean can I tell you how I got the idea for this book? Sure. But let me before we go any further that. So you let it say. Was he saying that there have never been a name counters with Ilian spacecraft's? He was totally neutral about aliens had nothing to do with aliens. He could've cared less. He didn't watch the X files. What was his take on? Bob lazar. His take on Baba's are was that he probably saw something that the government had an extension of the program. I mean he didn't know that was speculative. We didn't talk about that. I mean, you know, other than inference he was very limited in his and the information that he would get out, but I mean I used Seventy-nine sources in that book that all went on the record in name, and he was the one anonymous source because but like I said, you know, he told me after he died that I could tell the whole story I am. I going back, only if you give me a break and back off the subject. I might come back and tell you and you're on his knees your book. I want to promote your book. I know you want to promote your new book, but I want to promote this book as well. I mean, I'm teasing you. Right. But it's, it's like it's an astonishing story, and I think the best line of all, is that people read about that. In the very end of what we did they go. I wish they were alliens. You know, so Stalin created some sort of a craft that mimic, you're going to read it is what you're gonna do the afternoon. No, I'm gonna come back cast, and we're talking. I think we should probably get into this a little, okay? Come on with the question. I'm used to asking the questions. Are you over journalist now Stalin? And the Russians created something that mimicked a UFO something that looked like it would be another planet. Is that what they mothership in those days, drones were, there was a mothership and a drone with attached to it? And it was jettisoned off. Okay. So in those days, well in nineteen forty seven forty eight. Well they didn't. I mean, that was drone technology then. Okay. All right. So there's a mother a mother craft like aircraft. And then the drone is like a small aircraft under it, and it gets jettisoned off and that was what the craft was. It was Jetsons off, so that so stolen, actually, according to the source, invaded our airspace, which was the deep embarrassment to Truman, so invaded our airspace. And then let this drone crash land on the ground with these things that turned out to be human. They looked like aliens with a turn out to be humans that were manipulated surgically out. Yes. As a way to and remember, I mean, not remember, but where where this was was, you know, very close to a nuclear weapons base to our Whitesands military base. I mean, this is like not a place. You want the Russians to be able to get there. You know, I mean what was interesting is at area. Fifty one we then went out and mimicked all of those one of our early drones was a mimicry of that it was the. De tw-. There was a m twenty one which was the mothership in a twenty one which was the daughter ship. So how them was Mara, Leslie, what we do now know now, then it was like, there was a pilot in the mother ship, and they kind of let it go and it flew off. I mean, there's incredible stories of what they see I was able to do out there at area fifty one with their air branch. You know, the technology they're always ahead of technology. That's remarkable. Well, what Bob Lazar did film? That was really shocking was the film, the filming of these drones flying around and performing these really. You've seen those videos. Sure right in the eighties. It gets really crazy with what they're able to do there. But I mean why I like looking at history because you can see the progression. You know, you see how science evolves bit by bit. And then there's these great breakthroughs because what the government is always looking for is called a revolution in military affairs. Right. And that's certainly what drone technology did later on as drones became developed after the Vietnam war. So in the nineteen eighties when Bob Lazar was filming all this stuff. You think this was similar to the technology that we see publicly described today, in terms of, like, what drones are capable of. Sure. I mean that's something like that. But then there when, when the F one seventeen was revealed during the first Gulf war that aircraft was being developed for twenty twenty five years out at area, fifty one actually at area, fifty two was where the had it set up to develop that stealth technology think about, and what was amazing talk about keeping secrets they had something like ten thousand people working on that no one knew about that story was never broken by the press now by anyone it just suddenly appeared in the Gulf war, and took out, Saddam Hussein's physician. Ladies. That's a revolution in military affairs. What becomes interesting is then it becomes obsolete. Because now everybody knows about it. And everybody's going to mimic that, and now you have to have a new weapon system. And that's the military industrial complex, so was this drone aircraft that was released from the mothership was this capable of autonomous flight? Or was it just they just threw it out there and let it crash? The latter rain and remember that information. I am very limited to. That's why it's Dr pages. It's the source gave me these little bits of information, which I felt I felt was important to include because it speaks to the big issue, why is area fifty one classified. I mean, now it's not President Obama was the first president to actually say area, fifty one publicly some people say, because of my book right, meaning it was out the secret was out. But before that I went through ten thousand pages of documents from the national archives and every place you see the word area. Fifty one was actually redacted, right? Why would you keep that so secret? I mean all the guys that I was interviewing say, could call it, you know, groom leg. They could call it the test facility, they call it paradise ranch, but they couldn't say area, fifty one why and the source said will because we did this horrible program out there and the government doesn't want. Anyone to know about that after I mean, their stories of, like somebody asking Bill Clinton, you know, about area if one him going white, I mean, human experiments who wants to be part of those horrible. But the human experiments were were, they limited to this mimicry of the Russian experience where they were trying to get people to look galions, or there's something else, going goodness. I mean you read now declassified documents, tell us how many different human experiments were going on around nuclear weapons. Okay. Horrible experiments where they were subjecting people to radiation, because they wanted to know they felt well it's more important to know what happens to people, then to not know. And so they would take groups of people that say had cancer or something and test them. So there's no doubt that the government has experimented on humans. It's just is that something that is wise to make public. And you know there's two sides of the coin on that. I mean you, you when you reveal the. Kind of things when you write about them. I mean people get really upset and, you know, vilify the government partially with good reason and partially. It's like bad for national security. So I think that's the justification on the part of the fence department to keep things secret. While it's a it's an interesting tank that I never thought of before. But if I was stolen and I was trying to air quotes fuck with the Americans that's maybe way, I would do it. Hey man, you got problems aliens to come in. And there was if people it's hard for people that live in two thousand nineteen especially if you're young to really imagine a world, not only without the internet. But with two television channels right and radio, which was where people got all their information from. I mean, was there to channels, how many channels where in nineteen forty seven maybe three? Maybe three. I mean it was radio in World War Two, right? Most. Yeah, mostly radio and newspapers. And that's where people are getting their information. And there was a mass hysteria where people were absolutely terrified that we were going to be invaded, which is why when Orson wells war of worlds, which when they released it when they did it on the air. They were very clear that this is going to be a reading of Orson Welles were of world's book, or that HDL's, excuse me war, right? Was h g wells book and Orson Welles read it. And when they were talking about this on the radio, a lot of people missed that part. Right. And so as the radio went on as the broadcast went on, and people were tuning in later in the day it erupted in mass hysteria. People were freaking out, hundreds of thousands of people really did think that it was. And it was also something that was recreated in other countries. I don't know if you know that they did that in other countries in different languages, when they saw how cute it worked in America. And so you see you can see the logic. I mean at first, it sounds absurd ridiculous. And that's why I was sweating. Because it's like I know Ryan, but when you think it through and I challenge you to read the whole book, because you start piecing together, these various ideas, and disinformation becomes less vague and more specific, and you go, that's how it works, and you begin to see how people's perception and how they're easily manipulated factors into national security, just like you just described Stalin knew about that. He was a master. He was the master of propaganda. He invented it. He didn't invent it, but he invented it in a on the political stage to be used to mass with another country's perception of things. Think of what he did with brainwashing. Right. Okay. So like in the fifties. And this is journalists, you know said, so there was a journalist who is putting out stories about brainwashing. And there is this idea, which is well taken that to Taliban, governments, brainwash people, and this became a big code word. It was introduced into the American lexicon in nineteen fifty. Well, then we're in the Korean war our pilots start getting shot down there, put on TV by the communists, saying, terrible things about America, the American pilots, and suddenly it was like they've been brainwashed. It was very convenient to have that story. So these things work part and parcel, and you've got all kinds of smart people behind the scenes knowing this looking at it, examining it, and using it to their advantage to stay where in the pole position. That's the goal of the US government. So the propaganda that we did that sort of copied stones were kind of playing catch up in that sense. I mean, we're playing catch up, then we're ahead behind is it. It's always a it's a game. It's I mean your competitor. You know, this crazy thing to do to make a fake spaceship and just let it slam into the ground with a bunch of people that you cut up to look like aliens. Did he say, specifically, what kind of modification, they made people that made them look galions I got drips drip, needed in those on with this twelve pages, I'm telling you that because you're asking me these questions, as if I spent, I mean, look, I did spend literally hundreds of hours with a source we sat there and talked about everything, and I would try to squeeze out, just like you're trying to squeeze out of me. And that's what I'm saying. Read it because I literally tell you everything that there is. I think what's most interesting about the source and why might come back and talk to you about it and tell you who is on your show. Is because because of his back story. Right. Why he did what he did how he wound up in the Manhattan project? So I was like he was probably Jewish from Germany. No. I'll try. Okay. Morality talked me, our morale talk about why we can't talk about certain things while we're would what you were saying before about being competitor, the United States is competitive, obviously. And when you're playing the ultimate game, which is war. You have to be very careful about what you reveal what you don't reveal and this is where the conversation about surprise. Kill vanish comes in, because the CIA using these covert operations to SAS innate people, and whether or not that should be allowed or not allowed, whether it's good or bad. Whether it's necessary, whether it's like if you want people to be safe over here. There's certain people you gotta take out. And sometimes you just can't follow the rules. And why why are we not supposed to know about that? Should we know about that the way the story started for me? I'm at my house in two thousand nine a source is, you know, calls me says, I'm on my way back from the Middle East gonna pop by the house and say, hi, he brings me a challenge coin. On that says, Kabul Afghanistan State Department. I'm thinking Kay, he is not a diplomat. I mean he's weapons trained at the time. My boys were young. There are lots of GI Joe's and the garden and they had little weapons right. And the source is showing them about the weapons and they're like, so into it, because they know he's military trained, and then he says, if it's okay with your mom and dad, I'll show you some weapons boys are like, please. So he sets up the sniper rifle in the living room and I live up in the hills, and you can look across the canyon through this scope, he sat up and I can see the veins on the leaf across the canyon. And I thought okay. So now I know what he was doing. In Kabul, Afghanistan, he's taking out al-qaeda with this. There's another case on the ground that he never opens. And when the boys go off, I say to him what's in that? And he said he opens it up and inside there's a knife and it serrated, and I said, what's that, for immediately realizing, you know, my ni- every day, and he says to me, sometimes a job requires quiet. So why that became interesting to me was because of my own thoughts and perceptions about what he told me. In other words, I could I could deal with him with a sniper rifle. I could may like, okay that's what he does. But the knife gave me pause was like see slitting someone's throat is it in the ribs. And I thought, why is it that I am willing to accept sort of the clinical nature of, of a sniper rifle? But I can't I'm uncomfortable with that close up hand-to-hand killing and that led me to surprise kill vanish because that was the motto of the precursor agency of the CIA. It was called the SS the office of strategic services. Their motto was surprised kill vanish because they would jump out of aircraft land work with their French partners and kill Nazis. With a, you know, a knife to the throat, and I thought, okay, that's considered. Okay, because they were Nazis. Right. But we can't we're not supposed to do that anymore in this world we live in why. And I spent the whole this whole book, researching and reporting is about that sort of conundrum, if you will them, moral puzzle, you know, why do we? Why do we differentiate? And who are they willing to do that to where do they draw that line? Like I'm sure you're aware of the story of Jamal kashogi, the journalist who was assassinated by someone some group of people on the he entered into Turkish embassy, and they, they wacked him in shop them up and carry them out and boxes. And it's a an international. Is Wilson huge incident? Right. This supposedly was ordered by who was. It's supposedly by the head of Saudi Arabia be asked Mohammed bin Salman. I mean that's the ideas that their head of state wanted him kill because he was a threat because he was a reporter because writing some things. Yeah. And that they this is how they did it. Yeah. I mean. And there's that's a great question. Because what you're saying is like, okay so but we all think of that as reprehensible brought. Right. Right. Why? Because let's who's a journalist may on our side. He's delivering information to people, but the government of Saudi Arabia disagreed, though, like that information is our information he's a threat by releasing it. Yeah. He's a threat to our livelihood. Yes. Yeah. And who decides who's a threat? I mean a lot of this book is about who's on the kill list. I mean, there is an actual kill there always has been and the euphemisms involved. I mean I write history as I said. So is in Howard called his assassination program, health alteration. I mean literally in the classified documents. L vaulter. She had a health alteration committee. Whoa. Kennedy had an executive action committee, right? It's also clean my aunt. Guess what? Reagan's was called. Super wonder boy power up. Close preemptive neutralization, preemptive neutralization. Wow. Why do they keep switching the names for it? They're bearing the right and the keeps switching around the they switch around, who has a thority too. Say, yes, let's go ahead and put this guy on the kill list. I mean that was fascinating. I mean I interviewed a guy named John Rizzo, who's a decades, long CIA attorney, I was stunned that he was willing to talk to me, and he explained to me, how a presidential finding also called a memorandum of notification works that gives the president the authority to put an individual on the kill list that job is then given to the CIA as paramilitary army on operator or their assassins, because the CIA works under a code called title fifty of. So it makes it legal whereas the defense department works under what's called title ten so in other words, and they can't their rules of engagement are totally different. So the misnomer is like, oh, the seals killed bin Laden while they were seals trained, but that was a C I mission because. Pakistan is a sovereign nation and the military can't kill people in countries were not at war with. So those guys all became essentially CIA operators for the night. Whoa. Right. And if you look at photographs as I have seen you'll notice that they have no markings on their outfits, so that if the job went south it'd be like, I don't know who these guys are. And if you look back at Vietnam photos of the MAC V SOG teams which I also write about in surprise kill vanish, because that's the precursor of that. You see no markings, right? Then that will you can go into you can go behind enemy lines. You can go into Laos in the Vietnam war, you can go. Now you can go into Pakistan, what I learned reporting this book is we're in a hundred thirty four countries doing title fifty operations. Think about that. Government wants that to be kept secret. So in all those countries, they're doing things that don't fall under the normal letter of the law. Not yes, not under the rules of engagement of military, but the CIA works at the president's behest that, that was one thing that really blew my mind to report to research to understand, I talked to forty two guys who have direct access to this who are in this world. You know, from the knuckle draggers on the ground as they call themselves to the lawyer at C, I a senior intelligence staffs equivalent of general at the CIA those guys explaining to me, Anne, this is how it works. You know. And again, to your question will why, why does someone get to know that why does the government want? Why are they allow that information out is super interesting? And I believe that has to do with a certain climate, we're in right now about military might right? In other words, what the CIA does is called Tertia opco. It's the third option. You've got the first options diplomacy. Second option is war. So if diplomacy is not working and war is on wise. You go to the third option, which is the CIA's. Paramilitary. And they're in one hundred and how many hundred and thirty four. Well, if you wonder why the military budget, so big that's what it is folks, gotta feed those folks while work. I mean what happened and you is a competitor would be fascinated by the kind of training they do and what they do. I mean so many of these infiltration techniques are mind boggling, you know, they've got halo jumping, which, you know about right where they high altitude low opening. So they jump out the, you know, free fall down terminal velocity, pull, the Ripcord really low, so they're not detected by radar, and then they meet up with a team on the ground and go do what they do, and they also have Heyhoe, which is high altitude, high opening and that way you can fly over airspace, where we're allowed and float into let's say a country like around. And land gather your team and do it. You have to do, but, like, so much of what I report, I get information like that. And then I ask a million questions like you've asking me and it's like can't talk about that. That's classified. You don't you your journals? So you're trying not to judge. But. Is it your belief that this is a good thing for America? Meaning having a third option. Well, I mean, I write in the book that that's in the prologue after I tell that story about the source with a knife is e I wanted to know. And that exact question like, is this, a good thing and my answer at the end after it's complex not to be. But it is really complex is also that well if you're gonna take that pole position. You must accept rivalry. Right. And also after talk do, I think it's a good thing after talking to a lot of twenty year old soldiers who come back from the war theatre missing a limb with intense PTSD. And who essentially serve as cannon fodder, I would say my opinion right for the Pentagon. That's the second option war. The forty two guys that I interviewed, you know, they're like, send me they are professional. They are tier one operators, their green berets their seals. They're building. They retire. They joined the CIA so they're like perfect at what they do. And they're saying, I want someone has to do this job. We've been doing this, since the end of World War Two, I want to do it. So do I think it's better? I mean, I think that, that concept speaks to. Choice. Right. Because I'm not so sure that the twenty year olds know what they're in for and the forty year olds know what they're in for and are willing to do it. So that it will also the difference between a specialized trained individual with very specific task versus someone who is sort of following orders at the front of the line. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I mean and also has a you know, a lot of times I talked to these young kids who go to war, and they tell me one of fascinating detail is that they talk about movies that they see in whether it's saving private Ryan or Black Hawk Down. Even right where the outcome is not necessarily great, but they talk about the romanticism nation of war, and of camaraderie, and of brotherhood that comes from that, and then they have their experience in some of that does give them that sense, but not always whereas the operators are much more about, you know, getting the job done. That's what I was fascinated by these guys are really clear their their competitors. They're like top tier competitors. They have a job they do it. They get it done. And they asked for the next job. So is the oversight when it comes to choosing whether? Or not this operation takes place or not. Is it do they have moral guidelines? Do they have ethical or moral guidelines where they say, like this is the, the president is requesting that this person, get taken out the Chiesa staff, whoever it is that we do? They have to make a an ethical distinction. He mean they like kill him nicely. Like, don't make it. Do they decide like is this make sense? Or like what if the president is like Rosie o'donald? She's been talking pig out. Out like you know what I'm saying? Well, I mean, that's you know, that's a big issue. But what I try to write in what I try to report surprise kill vanish is the idea that the people we take out maybe are bad guys. Right, one one guy, right about his check of our okay? Because Chile is often portrayed in the press, as you know, this amazing hero. And that he and we, you know, I don't know if you know, but he was he was killed by the Bolivian Rangers. But it was a CIA operation, and I interview the man in charge of that operation in surprise, call vanish. His name was Felix Rodriguez. Okay. Long-serving CI paramilitary officer, so but I also report, why the president to your question wanted chega, Vara debt. You know, he was really advocating for nuclear war, and I and I show them. Yes. I mean he spoke publicly about, you know, if we have to have an atomic war, the Cuban paraphrasing the Cuban people will be happy to have sacrificed themselves. I mean chain was also J killed anyone who betrayed him. He killed he writes about it in his diaries as I write in the book, right? So, but on the morality question who decides I don't have that answer? But I will tell you what I did I went with my main source. Billy wall who uses a eighty nine now and he was he's been with the CIA for sixty years, okay? I mean he went. And he and I went to Cuba for him to do a halo Jim with Che Guevara, son. So we were a guest of the man. Whose father was killed by the CIA. Okay. And we had this really interesting discussion in the cigar club where Chatchai and Castro you know smoke cigars and plotted the downfall of the United States. And that's what I try to give readers a sense of. The long lens at history. How time changes all things and. Maybe leave with them them with this idea, which they can come to their own conclusions about what you asked me of is it, right? Or is it wrong because really what you might ask is? Is it necessary, right? I mean I could moralize right wrong, but it would just be my opinion. But when you see, I went Billy wa and I also try out traveled to Vietnam because he was supposed to kill. He was tasked to kill the top commander of the North Vietnamese army a guy named general shop and wa- didn't kill shop. And we had this incredibly this terrible mission. That went awry that I write about in the book in the Vietnam war, so fifty years later wa, and I go to visit the son of general Giap are sitting there in jobs home talking about these same issues. Right. And my conclusion of that again is not is it right or wrong? But is it necessary? I'm in, we have these wars, we keep having. These wars. Is it necessary? Dea. What do you think? Well, I mean. My opinion is that the defense department is far too concerned with. Vast weapon systems of the future which is its mission statement of its science department. And so you create what's on at the Pentagon. Call a self licking ice cream cone, or the military industrial complex and there's a lot built into that. There's a lot to be said about that. And there's also probably some concerned about other countries getting ahead of us, so you have to do what you have to do if your if your job is to protect the American people, and to keep the military strong. You just have to operate with that premise that there's a bunch of other people out there that are doing the same thing for their country and trying to take down the United States, and we gotta stay ahead of the curve, make human eating robots that can shoot missiles. Absolutely. I mean, when I was reporting the Pentagon's brain, which is about DARPA, and I was sitting there with scientists who are working on limb regeneration, right or. Oh, right. Or yeah. What do they do? God. They have these little salamanders. I mean, they're showing salamanders can regenerate their limbs. And so. Human their idea. They're down at UC Irvine have this incredible lab, and they're funded by DARPA because it's where the money comes from right? And their idea is that he should be able to regenerate their limbs and, you know, fifty years out, we'll be doing that. And they're working on the science for that. Well, that's the same science that allows for cloning. And so, in our discussions, because that's how I try to report is like really asked people what they think about future consequences. And they said to me, your exact question, which is will Anna, what if one day we wake up, and we find out that China has cloned, the first human or a dark horse like Saudi Arabia? You know, the American people are gonna freak out and go, where the hell was DARPA. Why aren't we head of the curve? So it's that there's a chicken in the egg problem with that of like. Well, we have to stay ahead were we're on top. We won't be on. I mean, everything I write about is terrifying. Well, do you have to take Ambien? I'm more worried now. God now, I'm, I'm more worried about coming on your show and being asked tough questions. Then I am about. No, but then I am about. I mean this stuff is informative. It's informative and it's a longer conversation. It's why I think what you do with your podcast is awesome because people can really get into the thinking about things, right? They can really and they can move away from their own preconceptions their own biases. They're bringing into it, and they're stopping for a minute, and they're going. What do I really think about that? And to really think about something you need information and information can be boring. Unless it's interestingly presented through conversation through, you know, uncomfortable conversation also uncompromised conversation where you don't have a certain time period that you have to smush something into a four minute segment on CNN or something. I mean that's impossible so difficult. I see people have these conversations about books or something trying to complex very nuanced subject that the trying to discuss and, you know, and there's another person on the other side like that's not true. And they're shouting over each other. Like, boy, just the pressure, the people have to understand that. People do understand, but you have to reiterate it and it has to be kind of drilled into your head. You're when you're pressuring someone and you're yelling back and forth. You're not even gonna get a good version of whatever this person's argument is like you should have the best version. I want, like if I'm going to have a disagreement with someone I want the best version of their, their point. And I want them to get it out with no pressure. I want to help them get it out. I'd like to reiterate it with them. Give them plenty of time. I wanna know how you think I wanna know what you're thinking about. I would love to talk to these guys. I would love love. But the thing is I they can't tell you a lot of this is a, I mean for national security reasons. There's a lot of reasons. I sure if they want to keep their job and stay alive. They have to have to shut the fuck up. They can't just talk about what they do and how they do it now and decisions that maybe they may that we're on. Comfortable with killed somebody that didn't think maybe needed to die. But, but the that's the reporter's job or at least my job. So in other words, okay, so I go to visit Billy wad, is home. And I knew I heard stories about he's this legendary operator. Right. And he's also what's called a singleton so he works alone. And when I was at singleton, right? Which is like he's got one guy giving him orders. Right. He's out there all night, God. I mean Billy wa is right? I mean back can we back up for going to give you this? Okay. So. Okay. So here's this guy. He's in his in Vietnam, and he's part of what was called MAC v SOG. Right. And they're doing cross-border missions until house, and it's so dangerous. It's like it's, it's the CIA program that soggy stands for studies and observations group. I'm as supposed to sound like a bunch of guys in Ivy league tower with bow ties. Right. But the guys on the ground called it suicide on the ground. That's how dangerous a hundred per cent of the people had casualties. Right. Billy wall has nine purple hearts from the work. You did nine. Okay. I mean they get shot. They bandaged themselves up there. You know, they're up in an aircraft because they're limping instead of on the ground, you know, viewing the, the missions, the Warren's everybody's furious with the government with the military. There's no room for special operators. I mean, everything it's called the time of troubles by them. Billy was working in the post office. And he gets this knock, you know, and it's like he's back in the CIA now in nineteen seventy seven so he was out for it was over Vietnam. I mean, he was he was, you know, it was over that was working in the post, office is working to some movie. It's. Right. I mean news. You I mean, but he said, the most incredible thing to me, because he said, I n he doesn't ever talk about fear, and he said, there was only one time my whole life I've ever been afraid and that was in the post office, because he was getting back into probably like recycled, his mind and put himself in a place. I'm just a civilian now. And he said, I'm gonna wind up being one of those old guys drinking beer at the end of the bar talking about the war. Right. And instead, he gets called up by the CIA, and they send him to Libya in nineteen seventy seven and his cover is that he's training Qaddafi paramilitary guys in paramilitary tactics. I mean that's the beginning of his career, and it goes on all the way until we were in Q by think was actually some kind of a mission, because it was like, what are we doing here in Cuba doing infiltration and exploration techniques allegedly with Jego Vara, son. But in any event, you know, when I went to visit Billy while the first time he's got this, you know, he's got certificates and awards and medals all over the walls of his home. But there's one framed. Item that I'm looking at, and it's a knife. And there's a seal from the CI, and it says, in appreciation to the assassin. And I said, Billie, tell me about that. And he said, you know, I can't talk about that. So I you know, stayed with them for two years. I mean stayed we conversed we traveled I interviewed him, you know, hundreds of hours and I kept asking him about that award. And he kept saying, you know, I can't talk about that. But as I write in the book he couldn't talk about it, but others did. So that's how a reporter works, you get introduced to enough of his friends enough of the others who are involved, you make sure they're a legitimate source, and you begin to find out what he can't talk about. And that's what I report in the book, and that is very explosive because President Bush right after nine eleven created, what was called a stalker team. And ironically, you know, people have this idea that we've been, you know, sending a team of assassins around the world. In NATO partner countries. And that what I learned had never happened until right after eleven with his stalker team, twelve men and actually one or two women, the fem fatal, and they would go after bad guys and they adopted the term from the Reagan era. So it was called preemptive neutralization, who's who are the women. There's always one woman on the team. That's what I was told by the guy who is in charge of the soccer team. And well, I mean, he, he gave me this great example. I don't report in the book, but I'll tell you. Right. He said, so. Women have different presentation. And this like, he told me a story of a woman sitting on a bench. You know, in embracing a man, right? And no one thought anything of it, and it allowed her to spy on someone in a manner that would a man would it would have drawn attention and then the soccer team could go. So what their job would be is to conduct surveillance of a target, and they call it making book they have to make book on that individuals. So they know exactly where the guy is, and they're waiting on the president's orders, whether or not, they should take action. And you know, that's where the that's where the information stops, right? Well, then what happens well flow, we can say any God must be so exciting to live like that. Like all cloak and dagger. Got to be so exciting like it's I would take that over a cubicle every day of the week a really would. Well, you might get killed. Am I dying that damn cubicle too? I think. It's why so many of these operators. Stay in it long term. Right. Did you ever see the television show? Showtime show with the hell's it called with the FOX show called that the, the homeland, you've lost. Yes. Well, that's the whole premise like she's completely addicted to being in that world. Adrenalin. That's what that is imagine joining out of an aircraft landing in behind enemy lines, and then your work begins, and then you have to get out. That's why surprise kill vanish. I mean, you got a surprise your way in kill them and then get out, and if they frame, your knife give you a plaque, Jamie. I'm gonna get you a knife appreciation of the assassin. You're a killer. It's just such a crazy way to live your life. But, you know. I'll take that over a boring life. I would take that over a boring like every day of the week. It's like the Pink Floyd line. You know living life of quiet desperation. I mean, that just terrifies throws quote that most men, live lives of quiet desperation, it's one of my favorite quotes ever because it's true I've Jin that guy. You just you're just in this world where you just can't wait to just run away. And how do people get stuck there? How do you think they get stuck their bills bells like finance? Yeah. Elson commitment. You have an apartment, you have to pay for you have a car. You least you have a wife that you have to feed you have a child. You have to raise you have to you have. You have your mortgage. Have you this? You have you that, and that's where it all comes from? Where do you think opportunity plays into that? Well, the opportunity takes place, usually when you're young and you don't have any responsibility, though. That's when you have your options will your options. Are severely limited. The more you gather responsibilities. Like, if I had as a fifty one year old father of three married man pays taxes has a house in a mortgage business. And all that jazz, if I had quit everything now and struggle the way, I struggled as a stand up comedian, it would never work, but the only way I could be this person. Now is if I took that chance when I was twenty one when I was dead broke and had my car's repossessed and all that stuff. That's the only way you, you ever get what you want to go. You have to you have to take a path. It's dangerous and most people want to take the safe path the safe path leaves you stuck in. Quiet desperation almost every time. It's hell, it's hell, you sell them insurance or some other shit that you care zero about, but can people just make that change? I mean, you believe that you have to plan it out the way you can change is you have to put aside enough money to give yourself a window and then you have to have a plan, and you have to spend all your waking hours outside of whatever shit job you do planning your escape. And you have to come to the realization, very clearly that you fucked up. You got yourself stuck. So whatever you're doing. You have to do it like your life depends on it. And whether it is you're trying to be an author, and you're going to you're going to if you're going to try to be an author, and you're working eight hours a day, plus commuting plus family responsibilities. Or whatever else you have whatever time that you have you have to attack like you're trying to save the world. You're trying to save your life. You don't want to drown that one and a half hours a day that you have to write God damn you'd. Better be caffeinated, and motivated you gotta go, you gotta get after it, and you got to have discipline. That's most people don't have those things. Most people don't understand what it's like to, to really go for something and know that the consequences of not doing that are horrific and you desperate. But I do think there is something to be said for fate, and circumstance. Sure. And I always ride. I mean, people in these military environments that I write about, and in these intelligence world environments fate, and circumstance plays, a big part because they too can even get complacent. You know. But when your life is on the line, right? A lot of times, they have these experiences where they're like I must change. And that's what I find really interesting n people four does Brayshaw. Yeah, the, I think fate, and circumstance of giant fortune is giant. There's no question about it. Some children, get shot and drive bys, you know that's just horrible. Horrible luck, and unfortunate circumstance, a lot of lot of it is fortunate fate. How about people getting lost right almost house? So the book that I told you I wrote on the psychics phenomenon wouldn't believe about that. Again. I'm neutral, right? You're not telling me, I want to hear what you believe there's a lot of people who are full shit. Absolutely. All people that are talking about being psychic or full of shit. But I do think that there's a strange connection that we have with each other. That's intangible, and I think that some people have better connections and others just like some people more intelligent. Like we were talking before the podcast about Ilan mosque and it's painfully aware when you talk to him what a champion for the, he's so fucking smart and his brain. Is it just it's built different just like some people have defective hearts. Some people have a heart like Lance Armstrong credible. Huge of an anomaly, some people have giant hands big heart literally. Yes, he is literally, and they don't know whether or not, that's from training or steroids EPO and, or whether or not something he was born with they really don't know. But yeah. As an unusually sized heart, usual. The large. But what was my point? They circumstance getting lost though. Psychics psychics? That's what it was. I don't I think that most of the people that can tell you the future full of shit. Most of the people that are I think people get feelings. I think sometimes you think about someone and they call you and I don't know what that is. I don't know if that's just complete fortune. Like how many times do you think about a person when they don't call you? That's the argument against it. But how many times do you think about that person? They don't call you but they're thinking about you as well. How many I mean how how often is that was star crossed lovers? They find show two years later, and they tell you that they've been thinking about each other all the time, they can't believe it. That's, that's when you get that text from someone maybe that's just someone prone to action. But maybe there is some sort of a connection, some sort of quantum entanglement between you and someone who spent time with or shared energy with it's possible. It's possible, but the problem is, you have these mediums and psychics and those people are just assholes and I have a friend. His name's Bana Chac, and he runs a Las Vegas mental assed show where he shows you how he does these tricks, but he'll tell you absolutely these are he's been on the podcasts brilliant, brilliant, man. But he'll tell you these are tricks. I'm showing you how I do this, this. I mean, I'm, I'm gonna tell you trek and give you the how I do it. But I'm gonna tell you while I'm doing this is a trick. But he's pointing all this information out of people about their past their childhood. He's guessing people's ages his guessing where they grew up. I mean, and it's, it's all we'll sneaky shit. You know it's the way they do. It's a skill as much as anything. And so, when you see these people that are Chandler's or, you know, psychics, they're telling you about someone in your pass trying to contact you there. Con artists almost exclusively. I mean, maybe there's like one lady in Tibet that has a broken gene, and she could tune into the next dimension and pull. Some extracts information from. It. But in my experience, the vast majority of those people that I've talked to that claim to have psychic ability were also it least partially full of shit. They had weird ego problems that were glaring that they didn't notice, you know, like I could see it that this is a gross way to behave, and they don't see it. Their interpersonal relationships the way they communicate with people was like an agent like a fake Hollywood person, or something, something bowl shitty about them and people who lie a lot. I think if you lie a lot, it's very difficult for you to tell what ally is. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. I think you lose your connection. I think when you when you bullshit, I think you also bullshit yourself now think these psychics are one hundred percent honest, even with themselves. I don't think this, I'm gonna fuck this lady over stinks. She's gonna talk to her husband, ammo towel or some nonsense. Take your money. I think some of them actually believe they're getting information. You know, my grandmother used to believe that my grandma. Was she was a very eccentric lady, and also Cillian lady, and she would tell you about the like all the talian, ladies all, like wanna play the lottery, the numbers, and she was playing the numbers wasn't even the lottery. It was like the organized crime numbers racket, and she would always I was gonna pick this number. And I just add up the last minute, I changed the number of what you know what the first one came in and she was so mad. But it was always that, that I had a dream of this, and I had a vision of that, and it was all visions and dreams and psychics, but everything worked out horribly for her. It always did. Like if like you were really psychic he would have better instincts. I this is just this inclination that people have, there's something special about their perceptions, and that their psychic, and it's always really wacky people that believe psychics in my, my experience, which I mean, it's you, I think you're talking also about what some scientists call the self filling prophecy, you know that if you. I believe this things happen. Manifest themselves, and you can convince yourself that you believe this, but for me, I'm super interested in. People who really believe in psychics. Right. Like that's what and the military, for example, and, you know, the most talked to add Danes you've talked to those guys remote viewing guys, I talked to a lot of the scientists who taught the remote viewing and I talked to a number of remote viewers in for the book, but the most interesting of all was the astronaut, Ed Mitchell. And he was so, so I'm interested in the psychology behind. What are you looking for in that? And I saw that I was doing some research in an archive and I came across a photo of what turned out to be Ed Mitchell on the moon, reading a piece of paper. Okay. It's this extraordinarily image because you're like, wait a minute. He's on the moon and he's reading a document. What is that document? I found out the document was a map of the moon. Okay. Mitchell got lost on the moon and literally pulled map out of like okay. Got I'm he was trying to get to a certain crater and they had a very limited amount of time. Right. Okay. There is. I mean, think about it, like the, the most advanced technology of the time. With a camera. Tell them where to go. Picture. Hey, bro left. Let's just Fowler footprints. We're the only ones walking. What are you stupid turnaround? Look at the ground. See those things that's where you walked. Let's go that way. Jesus christ. Had be so mad at him. I'm like, bro. You pull out a map, who wrote that. Matt, who's, who's no one's even been here. Come on, man. They had little maps, folded up in their in their pockets. In case they got lost. They were on the way to this crater. And in that crater they were gonna find allegedly rocks that we're going to solve the mystery of the moons creation, the origin story said like all this pressure, they couldn't find at the heart rates up. The guy's a Houston or like you gotta turn back, your heart rate's going crazy. And think about it, Mitchell tells me, I went to interview him at his house when I think it was his last interview before he died. And he said there we had gotten two hundred and forty thousand miles to only to get lost. They missed the crater by, like, you know, nine hundred feet or something so he never forgot his devastated. And on the way back from the moon he has this what he told me was a psychic change. Right. He his his consciousness, flipped and he became convinced that psychic powers were real and that is really the beginning of his four. I mean, Mitchell became a huge proponent of psychic warfare of, you know, the, the, the idea behind, what you're talking about what we spoke of as being sort of charlatanism he dedicated the rest of his life to it. Some wacky beliefs about aliens as well. And I think we're definitely in contact with a millions and that comes from, like he was so vilified by the scientists, and by the astronauts, by the kind of military men because this was just he told me the story of when they were in quarantine after they came back from the moon, right? He and Sheppard were sitting there eating breakfast, waiting and shepherd. The, the stories story broke that Mitchell had done some ESPN experiments on the way back from the moon and shepherd said to him, like look at this nonsense. The newspapers will do anything to sell make a buck and Mitchell said, I, I did that I actually did that. And what experiments he, he was doing ESPN experiments on the way back from the moon. He had a psychic in Chicago. A Swedish psychic that he was sending messages to like she. It was an old Swedish man right named Olaf, right? But I hear sweeter side. My psychic. Can we say my clothes off? Yeah. I'll introduce you to Olaf. Okay. Okay. I saw the movie frozen. I didn't see that one. Oh the little snowman. You, you've got younger kids, miss that one are older anyway. Sorry. So Ed Mitchell was talking to this hot chick in the hot old man in an and the story broke because the, the Swedish, psychic could not resist telling leaking to the press that he had done these experiments. What experiments weather? Well, psychics train on these little cards called zero cards. Right. So, like you have different symbols on them and, you know, one, one person, that's how they decide whether or not they're being psychic like there would be a veil between us, and I would say, what are you seeing right? And you would call it out. So it's like a control system and Mitchell had these items with him on the way to the moon and did these experiments to try to see whether you could have a psychic connection with someone back on earth? I mean he that was, you know, get work. Well, no. And he took notes. I showed me the note. What's it was so wild to be at his house in Florida? And he pulls out this old spiral notebook with like water stains on it. That actually went to the moon. I was like, wow. This is really something else. I mean it was one of those moments in time where you're just like and another is a feel. There was a feeling of sadness around all of it with Ed Mitchell sitting there and his, you know, his chair and talking to me about what it was like to be an Apollo astronaut on the walls. I'm not with a lot of these sources with, like incredible amounts of awards on the walls. But what does that mean after time pass it? Right. So his experiments didn't work, but he's still believed in psychic powers. Yes. I mean, and that's and he was he was ridiculed, you know, and he had such a tough time with it. And so the people who propped him up, and the people who gave him a lot of encouragement had sort of more radical. Ideas as he grew older, and, you know, conspiracy theorists who really kind of used him because he was an Apollo astronaut. And so he was so much more famous than any of them would ever be. And they really took advantage of him. I think so. You think they manipulated him with information and tried to get him more and more enthusiastic about their? I mean that's speculation on my part. But you kind of go where the love is right. It was an older guy, too. I seen some interviews with him as he was getting older and older. And he seemed to be having some difficulties thinking about things clearly, and people take advantage of that. Yeah. He was really obsessed with extraterrestrial life was really interesting because didn't he claim that he had seen something while he was up in space? I think people helped him make that claim. That was my understanding of it of reporting it. I mean I stayed away from some of the crazier speculative things about him because what I was really interested in, when I was writing that book, was how his authority and power allowed the program to get funding. Right. So much of this, it's, like who's funding this stuff and why? And it really does come down to authority, which is always, which is always a narrative that I find fascinating, right? How do people get the authority to say go on these programs or you know, we should do that? I mean, the question you asked of like how who's in charge right, right? And in all of this, at what I learned more than anything is that the office of the president has a lot more power than I think any of us are aware. I'm sure what did you find about admits did he say anything about seavy said and he? Thing about seeing a UFO or seeing extraterrestrial life. But the problem is if he believes that boy if he was talked into saying that he got to wonder about allow the other things that he said as well. The other thing is guys get older, that becomes their career the career becomes discussing their experiences, and the more outrageous. Those experiences are the better the career as it's, it's absolute change their stories. You know, Michael Collins changed his story, his story when he just got back from the MO, excuse me, when you just got back from the moon historic was that they couldn't see any stars. But then as he got older, he wrote in depth in his book and things in the nineties, you know, decades later, how vivid the stars were, and how incredible it was out there with no atmosphere. But there's a press conference when he came back from the moon right off the Apollo eleven moon launch he was talking about. He couldn't see any stars. So everybody was like, well. What, what is it did you know, they, there's they get lost right there? It's been so many years since whatever they did when they were working with NASA, and really, it becomes, that's their focal point of attention, like the where they get their attention from and where they make their career is from their attention. And so they start telling these inconsistent stories I'm in one of the great perils of living on your laurels. Is exactly that. And it's why I mean like a guy like Billy wa I was so intrigued by that he was constantly reinventing his own role within the CIA as he talked me about at length because he never wanted to just become one of those has been right. So his cover later became just another old man, which is like super interesting like he was in Sudan, in the ninety s and he actually took the first reconnaissance photographs of OSA. Alma bin Laden before bin Laden was on anybody's radar, except for the CIs and his I mean, how do you run? He, he said to me, how do you run around, Sudan, which is a country made up of like really tall black Dinka tribesmen? If you're a five foot eight old white guy who seventy two, you know, it's supposed to get reconnaissance photographs of bin Laden, right? Where golf shirts? You know, I have a photograph, he wore like those socks like the go all the way up to your mention dork. Yes. And little shorts and a sweatband over his head. And he said my cover was that I was an old man on a fitness craze, and there is running around, Sudan. I'm and there's no sidewalks. Right. And he's just jogging away. And he said bin Laden's dogs used to come after him. And so he would have to run with a lead pipe whack the dogs on the nose. And he said they stopped coming after me. Wow. Jesus. I can't find any evidence that he says that he saw aliens. But there's I'm seeing different reports that based off his conversations with lots of different people. He believes that aliens at some point visited earth, and that it's being covered up. Don't don't it's an easy narrative. Shwain. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. And I mean, how much they tell at Mitchell. I say thank you, thanks for going to the moon. Well, look, one of the most interesting things about reporting, this is that you find out, these people that you think have access to all the information, right? Only know there a piece of the pie how much they Trump knows do you think they keep stuff from him because I would say like he's kind of a loose cannon. I wouldn't tell him about the. I mean, everybody I often wonder that like Ken, the president be like, I demand to know about them. And then can they say, no, sir? Or they say as I write in one of my other books is like you don't wanna know about that, because you don't wanna have to lie. Well, that's nonsense. I definitely want him. I would want to know that'd be the only reason to become president of figure out why you have to lie like whether or not if you have to lie, make sense to you. Right. There's some things that, you know, that were done like the Tuskegee syphilis experiment where you go, what the fuck are you doing, like? No, you can't do that. But then there's some things you go see why how to do that. Yes, you know. So it, it would have to be like, which one of those things is it is it one of those things where it makes sense where you had to go and assassinate, someone who is plotting, some sort of a nuclear attack on Chicago or is it some nefarious plot to turn down syndrome chill? Children into surgically constructed fake aliens and crashed them into the earth. And the curiosity factor would be outrageous. I mean, can you imagine being the president and saying, I want to know about, you know, JFK and they're like, sir, you don't wanna know right, then you would go. We'll of course I wanna know now I really wanna know. I mean that happens to me, as a reporter, all the time when the I can't talk about that, that just becomes the obsession. It's like I wanna know about that. Yeah. That's the first thing I wanted to I'd almost run for president to learn about aliens in come on bro. But then if I found out there were nothing, I believe fuck this job. I quit. I don't want. I don't want to run the world. Just wanna find out about the aliens. And then there's all these things that you find out, Jamie. Now we're talking about that before. It's like, you know, James obsessed, but well is obsessed with Chicago rather Columbus, and we. Well, we were talking about Nazi. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I wrote a book about operation paper clip, and my God, talk about a rabbit's hole, rabbit, hole, serandon. Let's explain to people that don't know what we're talking about operation paper clip was when after World War, Two the United States gathered up a ton of scientists from Nazi Germany brought them over to America, and even Warner von Braun. They had Werner von Braun, run, NASA. He was a Nazi like a hundred percent Nazi fence Hitler-type, not say, yes, he was he ran a Berlin, rocket factory where they hung the five slowest Jews, they would hang them out front. So everybody would know like this is what happens when you work slow, we'll hang you. I mean, the Simon Wiesenthal Center said that if Wernher von Braun was alive today would prosecute him for crimes against humanity and that was the head announcer. That was the head of NASA. That was the guy who got us to the moon that was the big cheese guy. Yeah. So we were willing to put a lot of really dark things aside. Side in order to gather up the best scientists of the Soviet Union couldn't get them all, and they got a few of them as well. But we got how many more than one thousand right allegedly fourteen hundred. But I would not be surprised if you know. The story changes in one more. Right. But that goes back to our discussion earlier about being in pole position. I mean that's why we grab those Nazis. We were like if we don't get them, the Russians, but I get an, you know, and I'm sure the Nazis could say didn't want to do it. They made me. I'm a nice person. I love juice. You know that was part of the mythology was like, we got the good. Germans didn't we got the we got the top Germans and who do you think the top Germans were? They were coveted by Hitler, Himmler goring. You know. I mean these guys were I mean, there were guys that we grabbed out of the docks at Nurnberg literally to come be part of our program. You know, one of these got Mark, you're an asset right? I mean that's what Gingas Kahn used to do. Take warlords from the other side and captured I'm gonna listen come over here, bro. Come out for me on the mat? I mean, you know, ideology aside, I'm super smart. And I want that to be known. That's that's, that's the competitor. I mean you can't you cannot be the best rocket designer in the world and not want those talents you know demonstrated that's worn around Brown story. That's the story of all of them. And that was, was so shocking writing that book because it's a. It's like wow. You know, huge amounts of talent. But how far will the competitor? Go to see their baby come to fruition. What are they willing to put aside? Did you pay any attention to the other places were Nazis went when they escaped Germany, like Argentina in particular, you ever seen any of that stuff entire German? Towns down in Argentina. Right. They do October fest down there. They wear leader Hosan they drink out of Stein's. It's crazy. They speak German. And you're like what the fuck is this, like, my friend? Tim Kennedy went down there. And he said he was literally talking to people interviewing people, and they had photos of SS soldiers on their wall, and they would talk about how grandfather was a hero and the like. Like. Like you are, you're the descendants of escaped Nazis, and they put together a town down there. I mean, the way the Nazis were able to flee is X. I can't read enough of that. I mean that's Jamie now we're talking about. It's like, oh my God. And it it's endless I mean there are so you know, the ones that we there was a famous guy that we got. He was the surgeon general of the Third Reich. I mean think about that. Okay. Dr Walter Schreiber. I mean he was such a bad dude. He was in charge of the vaccine program. I mean you just put those words together in your mind goes, really dark. Right. But we wanted him because he was an expert in vaccines. And we brought him to the United States. He was the only Nazi I found of the ones the paper clip. Scientists cysts who came here that, that was actually outed. Right. He was outed as an OSCE, and that's because one of the investigators at the nurenberg trials wreck. Sized him or Jews. And we he's the only one we, we got out of here. And guess where he went Argentina lived out the rest of his life. There. The the show was called finding Hitler. There were trying to find evidence that Hitler, somehow escaped is really a bullshit, premise of the show. But was interesting is that there were thousands and thousands of Nazis that made it to Argentina and set up shop sue out South America. It's a lot of Germans down there kinda weird. If you can imagine me on book tour of like the kind of questions I get because we're talking right, having written books about area fifty one Nazis disaster. I mean just last night, I was at a at a, a book, giving it signing, and people are like, Hitler really dead. You know are the. Right. He was alive. The oldest man alive. Imagine he was probably like, how old was he during World War Two he had to be in his forties? Righty, hundreds. But right. Or the he cloned himself and six years old hundred twenty now. Oh, jeez. Jamie knows. That's an old man. I mean there's been a hundred twenty year old people, but it's fucking pretty rare. Yeah. So operation paper clip was not even publicly acknowledged until what was it like the nineties, like when did they when did it become public for. I think it was through the freedom of information act was, it was very intrepid journalist named Linda hunt hill. Shot out the window. Yeah. I mean, she, but, you know, she broke the story. That's what's amazing. I mean as journalists you're always writing on the shoulders of those before you, right? And she had it really hard because she did a freedom of information act. Request got all these documents that no one had ever seen. And then the government sent her a Bill for one hundred twenty five thousand dollars. And she had to spend a lot of time. This is this is what I understand. I never interviewed her, but for for xeroxing fees. What I just love that detail because it's like it's such a covert way of getting someone to stop. It's like okay. Here's the information. We had to give it to you. But now here's your Bill. Imagine if the government's coming down on you for one hundred twenty five grand. Yeah. See wanna call bunch of rich people and go. Hey, let's all just donate a thousand dollars this lady. And it's a different world. Now you could do that. You could do a gofundme campaign. Mike God in the eighties and the nineties, your just like out on a limb. Yeah, they would crush you financially. We actually had this very same discussion yesterday with my friend, Phil demos, who's being sued by Marineland, and because of he was a walrus trainer and trained orcas, and, and he's showing how horrific it wasn't Blackfish that SeaWorld. But let's see world is actually the way he says it's a day in the park compared to marine Marineland Ariffin place in Canada. And anyway, they have been trying to squash him with legal beats by dragging out, his legal fees by dragging on his case, but he we set up go fund means and all his legal bills get paid for from people that want him to win the good fight. And this is a this is an option today that wasn't available. The Linda when she was exposing this twenty five thousand dollars you assholes like you she should sue them for misappropriation of funds. Like does. Is it cost? You really one hundred twenty five thousand dollars a print those things out of it. Does you guys should be in jail like that's like with, like those ten thousand dollar hammers that they have, and the Pentagon. Yeah. So she gets all this information, and does the government immediately acknowledged that the importance Nazis that now I mean, she wrote the first book and it was just stunning. And, and you know, it it was late eighties early nineties, okay. And, you know, then more gets reveal because they gave her a certain amount. I mean I filed a bunch of foyers there was releases I went to Germany, foyer, meaning free to information act, then I went to Germany and looked in their archives with, like a fellow Iger, men PHD, who had, you know, real access to stuff and was able to translate for me. While we were there, looking at this stuff I honor viewed a lot of grandchildren of Nazis, and children of Nazis. And, you know, I mean this one extraordinary. Oh my God. There's a guy I told you about Schreiber. Right. I'm on the narrative level humans acting I'm so interested in rivalry and competition. Right. As a concept, because this is what America does to be the best and also as humans. Right. Because gore like that. They're built like that. So the Nazis had rivals amongst themselves, and Schreiber's rival was Dr Blom, who is in charge of the biological weapons program for Hitler. Okay. And Blom had a son and Blom was prosecuted at Nuremberg you can see a picture of him with a big dueling scar you know, he was bad, dude, he was a dueling, scar dueling scar, we'll lug a sword sword fighting. It was like among the Nazis. They would they would duel with one another when they were younger students, and then they would pack, the wound with horse hair to make it even more pronounced because it looked for Rochas. Reman pull up Jamie poll up. In what is what's his name? Well, you can pull up Dr Blom be. Oh, L E, but also scar on his and also, you can pull if you put Kurt debuts who was the director of our JFK center, he was he was Knossos von Braun's number two. He had a huge dueling scar. And yet, when you know, look at there is right there knowing what we know now, it's like, come on. You're trying to tell me that guy's not a hardcore Nazi. So those guys had dueling scars on their face. See him. How often did they do? Well, when they were calling the death. No, no, no, no, no. Like on God. You know, then they wouldn't sink venting fencing this guy had it too. Yeah. How did they not get the is? Oh, I guess that was the gentleman's rule. How you listen, you going for the cheek you hit the island. That's happens all the time. I mean, they must have cut a lot of eyeballs out. I haven't seen any photographs of missing eyeballs, but there's a lot right on the cheek. So maybe that was the whole point it was actually just a bit for. Show. Oh, weird. But, but it was a it was a badge of honor. Yeah. And and, but I also they all had on their face. It's all in the same spot doing scars. Why? So imagine like wanted to have the scars. That was a Jesus Christ. Oh, the goggles on. Oh, there you go. That's how they didn't take academic fencing, it says academic fencing. So what they were essentially doing having fencing matches with real swords. Not with ones with tips. Wow and cutting their faces up fuck man. Oh, jesus. This guy's face. Yup. Why? Wow. Doing cuts cults that is crazy. So when you consider like that people people do not know about that. And then you've got these Germans walking around America as part of our space program in our science programs. And oh, these are the good Germans. I mean, now you really have to say to yourself. Come on. Ryan scars in the face. Ooh. That's dark man club. Yeah. Right. Gene, super OJ. Yeah. God. That's crazy. Wow. So I go to interview. Doc. Sometimes you as a journalist, you can get amazing information from these guys. Oh my God. The sliced up. Badgered, RPM martial arts. Yeah. Well, I mean, that is a martial art means an art of war really is sword fighting martial art. I mean many martial arts have weapons. Sorry. So you got two interviews people. So to piece together the story right? I can't tell you others can write sometime in to find out more about the Nazis, I went to Germany and sought out, some children of these top top Nazis to see if maybe they didn't have journals or anything, they might share with me, and one of them was Dr Blom, his son. I tracked down. I found him and he said, yes, you may come. Visit me it was such a remarkable journey was like he lived in the Black Forest. I take a taxi through the mountains up over the hill down through the valley, you know, into a courtyard behind a church to Dr plums house. So he was in junior to his father, who was this horrific Nazi? I mean a top Nazi had favor of the Fuhrer were what was called the golden party badge. Right. Hitler gave out these little buttons. Blooms was, I believe, number six. So that's how. Favored, he was and his son, Dr carp Blom whereas the father was in charge of the biological weapons program. So his plan was to murder people with biological weapons from nature. Right. The son had been a medical doctor, but had left the profession to cure, people with flowers, it's called Bach flower therapy. So he was this very interesting. Individual who had never given an interview before and he agreed to let me come to him. So I go on that journey, I go to his house, and he was remarkable. I mean he was so interesting talk about the sins of the father. You know, I mean my God, what he what he had what he had as a burden. Right. And he and I asked him to tell me everything he could about his father, and he did. And then he asked me to tell me what I knew about his father. I had information from the German archives about his father that he did not have. Like that. His father had given something just come from this archive and found these documents. Dr Blom ordered that six thousand to Berkeley Jews be given saunder behind Ling. That's the German word. What does that mean? Special treatment, there is a euphemism for you. Those kill those six thousand two Berkshire juice. When you say to Burke, you're is up people to Berkeley, and they were suffering from Turkey Lucy's. And he Dr bloom worked closely with Himmler, and they just decided to kill them in, you know, sitting there talking to this man telling him about his father at his request was remarkable. And then he's telling me what he knows. And then as I'm getting ready to leave. He says to me, I'd like you to have these and he takes down from his incredible bookshelf. He himself had written eight bucks. Right. And he takes on these books and he hands them to me, and they're in these rappers, and I can see that they have. Nuremburg nomenclature on them, and what they are is there his father's documents from his Nuremberg trial, any, and I'm like, I can't take these. I thought he meant take them back to my hotel room. Look at them, and then bring them back the next morning when we're doing the next interview, and he said, no, no, no. I want you to have them. And I was like, I can't have them and he said, I don't want them and you should have. Them to me. So I had this stat. So I was like on my trip home, it was so perplexing. Because I threw throughout all of my clothes, I was like, screw the clothes. I mean I just carry. I've traveled with the carry on, right? So I in my carry on bag. All I have is this Nazi paraphernalia. In, in Germany. That is Dr blooms all market deputy surgeon, general of the Third Reich documents from Nuremberg covered with swastikas. He was acquitted at Nuremberg based on all these documents. Okay. And by the way, based on human experiments, and I'm at the airport. And I realized suddenly, oh my God, swastikas like this is legal if they go through my bag, I'm going to be arrested. I'm carrying. I mean, I'm carrying these incendiary Giovanni crop of your book on you. So you hadn't written journalists. No, no, no. I was just like. About one Joe. I was sweating almost as hard as I was sweating at the beginning of this interview. Right. Carter. I. I went because you know, as like, wow, I went through no problem got home office now. You're lucky didn't go through Israel. Well, you know what? It's not this stick is not outlawed there. But it is in Germany. You may not have any Nazi paraphernalia whatsoever. In fact, my paper clip book, which has a swastika on it had to be redesigned, the cover for the German publication, and it just has like broken up images of the Nazis, because you cannot reproduce that image in Germany. That's I mean, I'm not pro swastika. But it's so strange that we've given so much power to this design that you can't even see it, it used to be. There's a there's a temple out here that I think is a believe it's a Hindu temple, and it was a part of Hinduism that this swastika predates World War. Two it predates, the Nazis predates. They're, they're sort of reclaiming of it. And the this building that was built out here in the nineteen. I think it was built in the nineteen twenties has swastikas on, and there's a big plaque explaining why they're swastikas on it. I know a different angle. But I mean talk about brandy, right? I mean my God, that was end the Nazis were kings of that. I mean they were up the mustache the guy killed up. There's not another thing like that, that he didn't kill the dueling scar. Right. That could come back. You know, not enough, not after your show. What do you have four million viewers? Probably. Right. And people don't think about it that way. They don't think about the dueling scars being a Nazi thing. No, no. That's what I find remarkable. Right. They really don't. But the Nazis did to Nazis did in the new, there's an amazing photograph of JFK Lyndon Johnson. Kurt Davis sitting at for a launch a moon launch, and there's Davis with his huge dueling scar. And I'm like, and their position was oh, he's one of the good Germans. Well, that culture was a culture of ruthlessness. I mean even the good ones. Very is. Yes. Yes. Good job, Jamie. Look at that car on his face. They still give out an award, by the way, that's called the curt Davis award. And I rang them up and said like, why are you guys giving out this award? He was a hardcore Nazi. With this. They were like they've hemmed and hawed. And I finally said, well, it least tell me what you say to people who ask that question, you know, they said, well, no one's ever asked us that question before Anne. Well, they will now. Jeez. It's. Well, when you really stop and think about the horrific nature of what the Nazis did. I mean how inhuman it was? How, how crazy it was like that had to permeate the entire culture? There is no good Nazis. There was not one even one of them that was looped into that had to be responsible for some awful, awful shit. I mean Ironside said it the best when he said, you, you know, you could have left like people who could have left should have. Right. Well, do you know the story of Fritz harbor, right? The go s I mean, he wound up having to flee in, he's the guy who created Zyklon gas. And he's, you know, he created Zyklon a which had smell built into it so that would warn you when you were using this, pesticide. And then the Nazis turned it in Zyklon b where they removed that element that added the smell and just this odorless horrific poi-. Business gas they used to gas the Jews and he was a Jew. I mean, I you know, then when you think about he became he was no longer useful to them because they've figured out he really was a do well, once World War, Two came around, so he was a part of World War, One when they first started using gas, and he was, there's a great radio lab podcast about it. I think it's called the bad show. But anyway, what essentially says that he was winning. He was up for the Nobel prize at the same time he was wanted for crimes against humanity because he was up for the Nobel prize for creating the harbor method of extracting nitrogen from the atmosphere, which was used for fertilizer, which to this day. They say fifty percent of the nitrogen and human bodies was created by the harbour method. So what you get from food from vegetables like that nitrogen, fifty percent of it at least is coming from this guy's method who was a scientist, who was a Jew, who is working in Germany, before became Nazi Germany, and then was the guy. Who figured out how to use gas on people, it's a dark historic listed story. I mean he died looking for medical treatment, because he had to flee Germany, and he's had a bad heart. He died on the road trying to get to Switzerland, Switzerland. Yeah. It's I mean Nazi Germany is like the pole position taken way too far. And that's what's remarkable that the Pentagon was like, okay, but we can learn from this. And there, there are elements that are dark in that. Well also comes out of the devastation of World War One, right? The economic devastation the defeat. The Germans are in this terrible state overall in terms of their morale, and then along comes this, charismatic psychopath, that is really good at screaming to this day. I don't speak German. But to this day, when you watch that guy scream, and yell at all those people, and see them responded, gives you chills, like that kind of charisma that kind of influence at someone has where they can do that in front of thousands, and thousands of people. And everyone's goose-stepping so roof to see we're very fortunate. There's not something like that right now. And our forefathers and our grandparents, and whoever fought in World War, Two, the if it wasn't for them, who knows. Where this world would be right now because that was a literal evil empire straight out of Star Wars. I mean, that was like the Lord, they were they really were, they were human beings who were doing some of the most evil shit that you almost demonic, if you really stopped and thought about it, if there were demons pretended to be people that would do the same thing. I mean it that's why I think it's a rabbit hole because it's so hard to comprehend that like a culture of educated individuals. In that moment in time that you talked about between World War Two World, War One and World War Two could could completely become Monette malevolent. Yeah. That's one of the more disturbing things about the Nazis was that there were so many of these people that they did extract through operation, paper, clip, brilliant, engineers, and scientists that were also evil like those two things are very uncomfortable for us. We like to think of our scientists as being the people that are out there, trying to solve the mysteries of the universe and provide us with the technology to make our life better here on earth. Not the Nazis. They were trying to figure out how to kill people better. They were trying to figure out how to use rockets to shoot them at Europe and blow people up. And it is a, it's one of the more telling and horrific times in our history, when you re because it's, it's one of the one of the more horrific ones that we have footage of because we don't have footage of Gingas Kahn. We don't have footage of Alexander the great. We don't we have stories and tales of Napoleon, and some photographs and drawings of dictators past. But we have a lot of footage from Vietnam. We have a lot of footage from World War, Two, we have a lot of footage from modern wars, and out of all of them the one that scares us. The moat scares me, the most is World War Two. Do you think those scientists when they came here because this is this is I could not figure this out. Even after writing that whole book is do you think they came here and actually thought about what they had done or they? We're able to convince themselves that they were the good Germans that they were part of it because I never saw a single bit of remorse, ever, like no one ever acknowledged what they had done. So it made me wonder results vary. Right. I mean, I think this probably two people that go through the same thing and one person has no problem with it, and the other person literally can't sleep. On now. It's a good question. It would be interesting to interview them. The, the ones who've been caught who've been prosecuted and have been chased down the they've got one fairly recently, the caught a Nazi, like just a few months ago. It's one of the last ones he was in his nineties. I believe the ones who survived. They all tell different stories and some of them say they just following orders and, you know, some of them say that they didn't do it. They're being framed. They all have different stories. It's. One. You write a book about that. And, or you think about it, and you kind of have you go down the rabbit hole. And then you have to you have to ask yourself, what does this mean or you kind of it's too dark, right? And then, so I asked that question to a Auschwitz survivor. Okay. Who I wrote about in the book is name is Gerhard Michelle ski. And he the reason he was he survived Auschwitz was because he was taken over to the labor camp, which was called Buna. So it was a rubber factory. And it was led by this truly evil man named auto Ambrose who became part of operation paper clip. Okay after being tried at Nuremberg and being convicted of mass murder and genocide. Right. We got him out and he worked for us. I gotta read the story of. I mean, it's just it's just astonishing auto Ambrose we extract, the chemist. Oh, Mark, right. But he was so so Gerhardt was at Buna this factory this rubber factory and. And he lived and I did an interview with him because I was asking him. You know, the flipside of, of all of that, and his whole family was killed at Auschwitz. And I said to him, what does any of, you know, we went through all these questions to try to get some closure to this, or some meaning and I said, and then I Louis land. And I said, you know, we couldn't we couldn't answer. What does this mean right? What does it mean for today couldn't answer we? So when I asked him what matters about all this he went like this, he lifted up his sleeve, and he showed me, his tattoo, and he said that matters. And I have that image seared in my mind, I had never seen a tattoo from Auschwitz before, and I have not since. And it also made me think because I thought he's gonna die soon. He has died since. And then that data is gone. So all you have is the exchange of information and people talking about the eye witnesses die. How did they get that guy out of Nuremberg? How did they get them to release him? Well, okay. So he was convicted Nuremberg. Then he went to prison. He went to the prison where we had all the, the didn't execute them. Now, obviously they executed like the top Nazis, and then a lot of these guys went to prison. So there was a bunch of trials. And so I went to the prison, I saw his cell. I mean in Germany was intense Landsberg prison. And then we because we were sort of policing Nazi Germany, after it was not a, you know, after the war was over. We are policing Germany and then can't and a guy named McCoy was in charge. He was kind of like the governor general of Germany and the Germans wanted Germany back, and they were like we're tired of you guys, policing us, the threat from the Russians was very real and so- deals were made. I mean I write about all this paper clip. You know, based on the documents and one of the provisions. Was we want our guys out of prison? We want them back in society, and that was arranged. And again, you don't even know these things, you know, they're like, but that was, and then auto amp, and the even gave him his money back, that was astonishing and the family's still has this villa in Switzerland. I believe or maybe it's the, the Bavarian Alps that had been in the family, which is money from, you know, from from Nazi Germany, and I, I called up the sun to interview him. He was not as forthright as Dr bloom, son. And, you know, he hung up on me and said, if you, if you ever contact me again, all they have very serious. Privacy laws in Germany. I thought about going and knocking on his front door. My lawyer was like Anne, do not do that. They have very different laws in Germany for privacy. Yes. Even issues like the son of amounts. Yes. Absolutely. I would imagine the if he didn't do anything. He. Shouldn't be responsible for what his father did know. But he has the villa. That was the point had all the money, right? And he got that money from his father who got that money from stealing it from people during World War. Yeah. Like what happens there? Yes. But if you go back to that, like we should really find out who had the plantations in America, and who benefited from that, like go several generations from there. I mean you could get weird with, with war reparations be deeds where people profited. Yeah. I mean, which is sometimes a reason why you I realized in looking at these in reporting these books, which is why certain things are kept secret. I mean, they opened up a whole can of worms about reparations sure, you know. Yeah. While was operating operation paper clip writing that book was that one of the most disturbing ones present. I mean, that was so dark. My husband is amazing. He's Norwegian, right? And the nore Norway was occupied by the Nazis for five years, people kind of forget that, but he he grew up there in his mom was a grade schooler and was really impacted like didn't go to school for five years while the Nazis were there. They were going to breed with the Norwegians because they were such lovely air. People. Right. So my husband, having a Norwegian mom was, like, when I was writing paper clip, I would be so dark, sometimes I would be like down in my office, like a can't, you know, Honey. I can't you need he'd be down there with a sandwich, or coffee and say, but are you throwing another Nazi under the bus, and I would say, yes, and he'd say, keep typing. Right. And then I realized, well, wait a minute. The neutral journalist has to really make sure that she's not just throwing Nazis under the bus without really good reason. And so when I was in Germany, at the archives I went to dock how the concentration camp, and I asked the lead archivist, if I could come and see the worst possible photographs that no one wants to see and he said, absolutely. And I didn't write about them in the book because I didn't want to subject people to that kind of horror, but I looked at them, and I watched I saw with my own eyes people moments before they were killed, you know, and then the bodies. Afterwards. And these are in human experiments to, you know, to see whether or not pilots could survive height, or they simulated different things in chambers out high altitude or speed. And I saw I saw photographs of freezing people to death. Right. Because they were trying to develop programs where they would they wanted to see at what temperature humans actually died? Right. And so they experimented on Jews. These are these are some of the doctors that came on our programs. And I looked at those that evidence and I that blew me away. And then I knew when I left there. Okay. I can I can throw these Nazis under the boss is such a crazy time in history where you really stop. And think about all the different experience they did do. It's almost like they just opened up the vault of evil. And said, listen, we have an opportunity, these people aren't people do whatever we want. So they're fake people. It's like like there were an invention. I mean the perception really played into it. So gross. It's so scary to think about that humans just, you know. Oh, a generation to away capable of doing that. Yes. And so, I think what when it all comes around full circles all these government programs, I write about is that idea of an evil enemy, right? I mean, we talked about that earlier when you brought up kashogi, right? I mean, you know, people often say to me, and these are sources, they're like, Anne Saudi Arabia's the root of all evil. I mean I hear that constantly and why are they our ally? Why are we protecting, you know oil, right? Yes. So influence on the Middle East and to have an ally over there. And it's, it's why I think peop- the benefit of, you know, people often say, to me, why do you write these five hundred page books? Well, because I mean, hopefully they're interesting and I do know they're interesting because I got this great Email, Joe the other day from a reader, and he said Anne, I'm a truck driver and my whole life. People have tried to tell me, I'm stupid, but I drive around in my truck, and I listened to your books, I, I read the audio on my books and he said, now I know I'm really smart. Okay. He's stupid MacOS ridiculous. Your whole life. Everyone's telling you, you're stupid and then you read some books go. Now I know smart like, well, he come on giving some space right now. He says they're smart doesn't get any space. I think he was making a point that. He has the ability to listen, right? Maybe he's not the world's greatest reader. That's how I took it. Are your book Seville? I'm just joking about this guy. Obviously, but are your jokes of your books available in audio form. Yeah I read all my books. Oh, that's great. I love that. I get bummed out when someone reads a book, that's a but my friend Graham Hancock had a really good point east, like, not my fiction books because he writes fiction books as well. He's like my fact books. I read myself, but fiction, I hire an actor Mike. That's a good move. Then you gotta do voices inflection of the stuff, you know, it's amazing to read them. I mean because you, you really also feel like later on down the road. You connect with, with people sure. And then people that are hearing you right now. The, the hill, the hill that same voice when they get your audio book, and because I write things that are so at the edge of conspiratorial thinking right, right? There is a certain sense of others, a real human there. Right. This is not government propaganda. Right. And I can relate to this, and I can hope. Really, I don't want to say trust, but I can recognize an authenticity right of. Working with sources. When you're done with the paper clip book, and, you know, you, you published it and you have to live with all the information that you had to gather and, and run through your mind. Did that book was that the book did that change you? That book was the most altering of the different subjects that you covered. I mean each book has a huge impact for different reasons. But when I think of paper clip, I think of this one saying that was over the gates Buchenwald. And it was it said he Adam daas Zaina, and what that means is everyone gets what they deserve. And that was horrible. And I still think about that because it's such a piece of Nazi propaganda. It was like saying to the Jews you guys deserve this. And so I know much of my reporting, and my general just way of being as a human is. There is no such thing as what you deserve. Right. There's what there's what happens. And there's what you do. There's what you're responsible for. And there's what you can change. But there's that idea is reprehensible for some reason that really stuck with me, as the as just the worst possible thing that I could think of to because it's the psychology behind why they did what they. Us this the dehumanizing. But the weird thing is that, that was less than one hundred years ago, that seems like that should have been something that took place if you hear about the inquisition, you go. Okay. Well, that makes people that know any better back then. But nineteen forty five is not that long ago. It's just not. Do. I mean, people people just read and read and read about World War. Two for good reason, you know, and everything I write starts, it all goes back to the Nazis and every book, I the, the trail, the paper trail, the national archives or individual university, libraries and people's papers, where I go, they all refer back to that because it was so remarkable that the Nazis lead in weapons technology, and they almost took over the world because of it. Right. And that is the premise of all of this. I mean in surprise kill vanish. It's like these are the guys on the ground in the Pentagon's brain. It's this is the technology in the sky. But we must we the government's position, whether it's Pentagon CIA is always we have to stay ahead because the next Nazi Germany is right around the corner. And that's a that's really something to think about is out alarmist this history repeats itself. If we went and stopped, and looked at all the instances throughout history of people being evil dictators there's quite a few and there's you know, we've we look at North Korea right now. And that guy assassinated his own call. Right. With a boat. Was that with a missile coming out of a helicopter? I think put him in a field. Yeah. I mean that's straight up messaging. Yeah. Right. Which is another thing. I think is interesting about the CIA is paramilitary program. It's all meant to remain plausibly deniable. It's supposed to be secret, like we're not supposed to be giving out the message that we have these teams you know, that go after high value targets. They're just supposed to disappear. That's the vanish part of the so that, and that as someone who is really interested in transparency and people being educated in having information that always puts me in conflict with, you know, the government in essence because I'm, I'm like, we should know. But then you think about it. Well, the whole thing is you're not supposed to know because it's supposed to be just the hidden hand. The president's hidden hand, they call Woodhouse to be this distinction that they have the ability to break the rules because it's how they protect us. Then that that's, that's the rub. Right. And the stories we hear are often the failures because those are the ones that get reported in the press. There is a sense under girding, this narrative, which I really like an interested in and intrigued by is that the, the successful operations you don't hear about because they're plausibly denied, right? Yeah. There's gotta be a ton of them that went through that. You don't hear nothing about, and your kids will hear about blowing. Maybe when you think about protecting us from something like another Nazi Germany. That's when people are willing to give up some of the freedoms, they're willing to give up surveillance willing to give, and this is this worth things get real slippery. Right. I mean, also when you think about Russia, because all of this, Cold War. Science technology operations all of that was to beat back the Russians. Okay. Then the Russians go away. Now they're back. You know, the Russians are the master assassin's and they do it through poisoning. I mean, look at scruple right in, I write in the book about a defector, who came over in the fifties and said, I was an assassin for the KGB and gave us all kinds of information. It's fascinating to look at the documents and realize like this is how it works. This is how it worked, you know, sixty years ago. And then you kind of see echoes of that of how it's working today, and you can only imagine the defectors or those who come over from the other side who we learn from, and they just disappear into him and they disappear as sort of the CIA's version of witness protection. Wow. Do you because of the subject matter, the each to write about does this affect you as a human, like a USA spacious of everything. Now, do you look at everything in terms of like things that are happening in the news to try to look at the, the hidden mechanisms behind the scenes? And I think the opposite. I, I really believe that information gives you a certain understanding of like the long view. Right. It does not make me paranoid at all. In fact, the opposite people often say, like my God. The world's about to end, and I say, well, wow, you should really read about what it was like in nineteen fifty nine or nineteen sixty two when we were really almost at war with Russian thermonuclear war. Right. That is essentially at bay for now. Right. So I don't know. Maybe it's my personality, but I actually take comfort in the fact that what is happening now is sort of as you. Said it's a it's a bit of a re branding in the modern era of what has always been there, which is rivals seeking supremacy over one another. You know, people trying to outfox the bad guys, what I think, has changed is that the desire to prevent war has shifted. And that makes me. That makes me upset because we used to sue for peace. We used to want a peaceful world. I mean war was outlawed in nineteen twenty eight. Right. And now we just the military industrial complex is such that it's really a lot better for the defense department to be in a state of constant war. Because then you're in a state of constant weapons production, and you can always be creating those vast weapon systems of the future for the next four that comes along. An and that's troubling because those eighteen year old kids are the ones who get sent into the light line of fire. What if any research, have you done on artificial intelligence and robotics, and autonomous weapons, and the, the future of warfare, which a lot of people think it's going to be like, what we're seeing now in Yemen, with drones that we're going to be seeing that with robots on the ground, and that this will be the future huge amount for the book that I wrote called the Pentagon's brain. Really impactful moment was going to Los Alamos when I went there to meet a DARPA scientist, who was working on an artificial brain for DARPA. I mean this stuff is way brain crew trying to create a system of free thinking system and what his name was Garrett Kenyan. What he told me was just utterly fascinating. Because again, that human thing I'm always after. It's like what are you doing? We leave the science you've had lots of guys on here. I'll talk to you about the high technology elements but I'm interested in who's doing that who's creating that science. And why and he said to me. This is like like where artificial intelligence is right now with scientists who are really looking into this. It's like Magellan you know, like, who will discover the new world but on the on the idea of frightening artificial intelligence. He told me an interesting story about his daughter, and he said, people seem to think like facial recognition software, like telling us that we're one step away from a I try and he said, if, if he's he was, he showed me on his iphone. This was a couple of years ago, and he how much trouble the iphone had recognizing him like if he put a hat on, or if he made a funny face, and he said my daughter can recognize me from across a baseball field. You know if I have a hat on just by the way, I walk, right? And he said, if if she couldn't, there would be something really wrong with her. In other words, her human recognition abilities. Are truly intelligent, and that is a system of systems a biological system of systems that no scientists has, you know, the algorithm for which no one has ever been able to figure out yet. And he believes that we're far away from that. But the defense department on the other hand is moving us in that direction, and absolutely wants Thomas weapons to be fighting wars. Look, there was a program that said, I quote is in the book. It says the, the battle place is no place for humans. So drones are the way of the future. Right. But they're used to kill people, which, which also means that the enemy is creating drones and pretty soon that's going to be a big big issue. Do you have the, the big fear the big fears that they're going to be the first ones implemented? What scares you about AI everything DARPA thinks AI could help troops telepathic control much machines, of course they do. They probably can. I mean, they've already got cursor is that people can move around that are paraplegic. They can move them around with their mind. There is. Yeah, I think there's going to be quite a few of those things. What is going to be a distant? This is called the synapse. This is. I'll read this thing that's though, DARPA funded program to develop electric neural more Fiqh machine technology that scales to biological levels, more simply stated it is an attempt to build a new kind of computer with similar form and function to the mammalian brain such artificial brains would be used to build robots whose intelligence matches that of mice and cats. Jesus Christ robot cat's robot cat's coming to get us. Well, they created something called the, the robo rat that was the first bio hybrid. Right. So bio hybrid is when you mix animal and a machine and DARPA was doing that, right? Before nine eleven and people freaked out. They were like you cannot put brain chips in rats and make the move through a maze by a remote control which is what they were doing. And I interviewed the guys who are all working on this. Program before nine eleven and so the, the, the morality of the of the citizenry was, like, no, then nine eleven happened. And suddenly all this money got pumped into DARPA to do anything. They wanted the morality issue went out the window, and they started creating all kinds of bio hybrids, as I write in the Pentagon's brain. So they put they, they now have pigeons that are mixed, you know, animal and machine. They created something called there's a moth. So there's a MandA Sexto moth, that's what it's called large moth and science DARPA scientists put brain chips into the larva. Okay. So that when it cocooned and became a flying moth, it had the. The chip built into its system making it easier to integrate and they could fly the moth around the lap. Now that was a huge step and this is now for years ago that I was interviewing these juicy any of this stuff I didn't see them off. But I, I told you I saw that the, the limb regeneration lap was a trip and this is all going on there. Well, they were just cutting limbs off of salamanders and watching the limbs grow back. Right. And examining that and saying, will if a salamander can do this. So can we one day and I said to them? But wait, that's impossible. You know. And they said, well, it's not actually because he men's have they broke? I love scientists who break it down into terms. I can understand it's like what Ilan mosque didn't know right because and they said to me, you were once a single cell in your mother's womb, and then you were too, and the newer. Right. So you can regenerate. And that's their premise. I mean these are the tops on the world's top scientists in regeneration. What is this, Jim the moth being stimulated by electro currency in its abdomen? So the stimulation of the electric currents, they can cause it to go left or right. Is looking up these bio hybrid moss. Who is the thing. These three your hands. You're freaking out MacAulay Culkin at home alone. This is reading something he went typed. Visit I started typing bio hybrid stuff in this the first in the popped up was this shrimp, article, yet says through, they're going to test them through Olympic themed events. Oh my God. Look at this DARPA MTO seeks innovative proposals for the development of micro to Milli insect. Scale robotic technology shrimp, were developed will okay. So shrimp is the an acronym. Okay. Okay. Love an acronyms will develop and demonstrate through a series of Olympic themed events. Multifunctional m m to see 'em scale robotic platforms. So I guess that's millimeter centimeter scale robotic platforms with a focus on untethered mobility, maneuverability, and dexterity to chief this goal shrimp, also provide foundational research in the area of micro actual actuator materials, and enter energy efficient power systems for extremely swap capital letter s copy level, w lower case, a capital, P constrained, micro botox systems, expected, such advances. We'll be enabling for applications, including search and rescue. Yeah. Right. Search and rescue disaster relief. Yeah, we're gonna help people. Hazardous environment inspection or killing motherfuckers with a with an evil nuclear b. That's all you need is always the search and rescue that goes in your mouth and blows up fuck. That's crazy. I mean they do all kinds of planning for the future. Search and rescue thing is a it's a great sort of way in which to present DARPA as doing all this great stuff. I interviewed DARPA scientists who said, look Anne, we've got we're able to send robots into Fukushima to twist. They right then. And yes, that is great. But that's far from the only thing. Yeah. Well, here's a trip you want to hear. I mean it gets. There are rabbit holes there because. I sourced all these documents and also interview generals at the Pentagon who are like, we don't like a we want, like we want this. We want our guys on the ground. You know, we they believe in the human, the warrior that concept. And so the, the generals were very opposed with the DARPA took a of a vote, and it was like no way I we want humans in the mix. And so what at DARPA start doing and they oh, the generals, they said, why don't you? Why can't we go more autonomous? And the answer was we don't trust the machines. Okay. So right around that same time, what a DARPA start doing it started looking into and hiring scientists who were working with how trust works in the brain, specifically with what is called the moral molecule, and it's this molecule in the brain that mothers emit when they're breastfeeding. Okay. Oxytocin. Yes. So think about that. I mean that's like the ultimate going way back by. G like you have to have a mother, a trusting mother to breastfeed in prehistory, or otherwise, you'd be eaten by you'd be like this is a bad idea. I'm stopping to do this. I'm gonna die. Right. So they examined that molecule, the, the m- the brain's moral molecule, and they began a program to work with that, to be able to give that to soldiers so that they're that they trusted AI machines, and that's where I think you're getting into really spooky dark multi levels of manipulation about what humans want versus what the Pentagon's while. The worry about trusting the machines cares shit out of me. Because that's what everyone's worried about when it comes to a I like that's what he LAN must keeps warning people about that these things are going to have superhuman capabilities, and they're going to be sent you and it's a matter of when so I as the journalists said to myself, well, wait a minute, if the generals at the Pentagon, and that's a, that's a euphemism. But the meaning that the actual oppor the guys that are in charge, don't want the who does want this, and where my research took me to was the group that wants that is what's called the defense science board. And those are the individuals who are counselling, the Pentagon in the manner in which they should proceed. And now those individuals are all sitting on the boards of the defense contractors. So you can really see how money drives the rubric the generals, don't want it. The humans don't want it. But guess who does the people who stand to make the mu-? Money, creating the autonomous systems, and that's exactly what Eisenhower warned us of, in his farewell speech. You know, the military industrial complex and the other part of that speech, which people don't don't know as well. Is that what he said his antidote? Eisenhower said this the antidote to the military industrial complex is an alert and knowledgeable citizenry. It's why I write my books because an alert and knowledgeable citizenry has the ability to kind of push back and go, but we don't want that or think we were worried about his Pandora's box, right with when it comes to a I and we're worried that first of all, if we're not the ones to open it would've they open it. Right. What if the Chinese open it, and obviously, their technologies super super advanced their electron technology particular their cell phones are cutting inch apple and all these other companies are struggling to try to keep up with while way in, these one f c or one, what is the fucking one s t? What does that one? The what is that big company? That they just released some. They've just hired Robert Downey junior to gave him millions of dollars to one plus one plus seven. They have this new phone that doesn't have a front facing camera button, it slides out of the top. They figured out a way to make the entire phone all screen, and they're incredibly advanced in terms of their electron IX. We, we deeply are concerned that they're going to be the ones that implement military autonomous sentient robotics before we do. Because then you can essentially, you can launch them with no physical human costs on your side. And I mean they they're literally weapons of mass destruction. If you have robots they can go over there and just kill people, and what they need for. That is the world's fastest supercomputer. Right. And what's interesting is that we, we America just overtook the Chinese in having again, having the world's fastest supercomputer. But they had it for a couple of years and think about this. Okay. Because you were saying hard to believe the Nazis were only, you know, not even like just in just in our grandfathers age. Right. So go back in time to then, listen to this about this really freaked me out in terms of progress, right after the war guy called John von Neumann got a grant from the atomic energy commission to essentially build the were world's first computer. I mean, they existed but he built the first computer that could actually do calculations okay before that calculations were done with like by calculators computers were humans. But there's this amazing story of annoyment in the basement of the Princeton institute for advanced study, where he built this computer with government funds, and he because he was brilliant polymath. He could add faster than anyone around him. Okay. He's also the guy who calculated at what level the atomic bomb should explode over Hiroshima for the most blast. Okay. Because it didn't hit the ground. It wouldn't kill as many people. Right. So this is how his mind work. So he's faster than the computer. He has a pen and paper in front of him. And he can outperform the world's fastest computer with his own brain two and a half years into it in, like nineteen forty nine the computer beats him and he made a statement then that said, one day artificially intelligent machines, will be the ruin of man. I mean, I'm paraphrasing. That was his prediction. But that was in nineteen forty nine in the fifties. Marshall mcluhan said that we are the sex organs of the machine world. I'm going to have to really think about that. That's a deep one. That is very deep. Oh, we are the propagators where were the ones who progenitor. That's, that's our baby. We're gonna make that baby. And then we're going to die most likely that's going to be the new living things that Marshall mcluhan. Yeah. That stop and think about that. Figuring that out in the fifties looking around going, oh, we're giving birth of these things. But I have a question for you then on that morality issue. Right. Which is. If man has always been a warring animal, right? Why do we look so down upon the throat, you know, the knife to the throat, and why do we as a society except drone strikes because that's the whole question. I asked in surprise kill vanish. And I'm not sure I answered it to my own satisfaction because it's such a complicated question will one of them is very personal. The other one is like a video game you know, to, to stab someone to look them in the eye and Shelvin ninth through the rooms. That's a takes different kind of person. And we don't think we want that person around us. Interesting. You think it's a proximity issue. It's. It's just different. You know, one of them is throwing a rock at someone that's nowhere near you. The other one is beating got death when he's right in front of you want. It's very personal and you see someone struggling, and we don't like to think that someone can put that aside and still twist at blade. We don't want that we don't want that on our side. We don't want our people to be noble injust. And but meanwhile, when it comes to civilian casualties drones are one of the worst invention ever in human history, if we really want to examine ourselves in terms of advocacy, and the moral moral, high ground terms of engagement, like launching missiles at apartment buildings because you found meta data in there that indicates that most likely an Al Qaeda operative has a cell phone in that building like that, that's shit that people have done. I mean, that has been done and the casualty. The rate for civilians when it comes to drone strikes for innocent civilians is stunning. I think it's in the high eighty percent. I think that's we've done this before. Right. Have it we I think it's some it's, it's a disturbing I might be conservative by saying it's in the eighties and might be in the nineties. It's a disturbingly, high number of people who died, who were not the intended target, which would which would be an argument for the Belaid for the blade. Yeah. The blade is, you know who you stabbing. And that, that warrior is going in there aware that he too might die. What are you, Jamie? What's up face three percent three percent? What, what this says that's worship. Now who released that maybe three percent accuracy? No. I know there was there's been some serious discussions among scholars about this. That's not true. Whatever you read in the can't be right. Yeah. Just one operation was three percent just to throw this out there because there is that big debate. I mean CI paramilitary army tiny defense department, huge CIA using either ground operators. Or drones defense department. I read the statistic the other day seven thousand two hundred and change bombs dropped on Afghantistan last year. I mean, people don't even realize we're still seven seven thousand that's other just practicing. Here goes President Donald Trump provoked a requirement. The US intelligence officials publicly report the number civilian kills in drone strikes. Other attacks on terrorist targets outside of war zones. Oh, so we're going to shit information now but pull up two thousand seventeen. You have to well, you got to really look hard to get that statistic. There's an inspector general who covers Afghanistan right for the government. He he looks at all the statistics. And by the way, this administration, just cancelled his job, so we will no longer have that information. But he's the one that is in charge of reporting that because it's called the reconstruction effort. Right. But that number of bombs really makes you think long and hard or at least me about, you know, the big footprint versus the small operation. And I can I think this is why most people don't want to talk about this because it's dark rabbit hole to go down. You know, people prefer to believe that we're just safe and sound here and not not at risk. And I mean, that's, that's the endless question of are these are these threats, real and must be dealt with was very hard for people to explain to be a hundred percent aware of something. They're not experiencing right? And right now, we're not experiencing a war currently in our in our neighborhoods. But yet it is happening overseas and the United States technically involved in these wars. And I think that right now we're not experiencing sentient robots running through the streets murdering people. But that could happen, we're not experiencing Nazi Germany anymore. It we got past that we'd like to assume that that's in the past. But if you just looked at the vast amount of history that's dedicated to atrocities that are committed by armies against their enemies. It seems like that's just what people do. It seems it's a part of what people do, and if there is a real technological race in order to develop autonomous Cenci, robots that are capable of killing people, we should be fucking horrified muster fate of China, China one hundred percent. Well, the you know, they keep they keep outperforming us in that supercomputer. What do you also have a total integration of their? Government and their industry. You know, everything's connected. It's not like us. You know, like the gut like they like, they'll play the long game their strategic in their ability to plan for things and not have them be currently profitable. They don't have to operate on a bottom line like someone who's beholden to stock owners and eight don't have an informed public. Yes. At all. I mean they have Google censorship. I mean they've, they convince Google to go over there. I was talking to a an executive Google and they were saying, essentially, we're willing to let them censor, because we know we're going to they're going to just they're going to do what they wanna do. Anyway, they're going to copy of our information and just redo goule in like, we think, at least this way, we will protect our interest by being over there. My do not crazy. That sounds you going to let the Chinese government help. You're going to help them censor people. On an interesting note of that in the mirror. All my books are published in China. Whoa. Like the DARPA book they were right on that. They had that translated into Chinese. I have a copy of it. It's spooky it's like you see the Pentagon all this Chinese writing. I don't understand a word of it except for my own name. But it's like, wow. They're reading their reading us of anything. I mean there's listen, it makes us look up. There is an interesting story about the freedom of information act and Iran, which came to mind with this new activity in Iran, which is that they filed a foia to get all the information that we had on Iran and the government went to when very high up in the judicial system to say, we're not going to release this information to them, even though they had the right to have it, because it would benefit them, we booked, I found a couple of better information. I might have missed read that it said the something I just found showed something like only two percent are the high target strike are the targets. That's I'm the rest would be Seville children, civilians. But other combatants to they might be other soldiers. Part of the reason I got to get rid of that. Sorry. Part of the reason on why the strikes things has changed. Because the Trump administration is carried out way more than the Obama administration ever did over eight years, that, well, I think Trump basically told the military you know, it's doing these go do it. I mean, basically let them just run the military instead of having the same sort of oversight that other presidents insisted upon and the military people like him for that. And people aren't focused or interested in drone strikes me more. They're more interested in the wall. In watching the the battle, and the, the conflict in the name calling and the shouting, it's like it's like throwing rocks without warfare. China's making robots to kill us. Absolutely right. Chinese people please be nice thing I was okay. US Jones trikes fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria killed at least one thousand two hundred and fifty seven civilians, according to the Pentagon air wars, estimate the number to be as great greatest seven thousand five hundred. Year only. Yeah. Just this year. Yeah, they are they're doing a weird thing. They are shooting people from a remote location with a robot that all came to be, by the way, right after nine eleven. I mean, when whenever we get attacked it's like Pearl Harbor, you know, suddenly there is a massive swing of what civilians what the citizenry will tolerate and I apprised kill vantage. I interviewed I told you lawyer, John Rizzo who wrote what was called the seventeen September seventeenth memorandum of notification, and it gave presidential powers to the degree, which had not been seen since, you know, the worst part of the Cold War, and congress road off on that. In fact, what Rizzo told me is the gang of eight that are in charge of, you know, the intelligence committees in congress said is this enough, and that's where the drones became such a big issue because the? The idea of preemptive neutralization the idea, we're gonna take out bad guys. You know, we should've taken out bin Laden, and we didn't we're going to now do that preemptively, and it set off it set us on this entirely different course, which continues to this day, although it's fallen out of the news, which is, let's strike someone before they strike us, and it's such an interesting chicken, or the because, you know, yes, you have civilians dying. And yes, you have more terrorists being created on the other hand, you really want the Pentagon, dropping seven thousand four hundred three hundred two hundred bombs on Afghantistan in any given year. It seems so detached whereas, if you sent someone over there to assassinate these guys with a knife. You would think of that I don't want that person in my neighborhood person person's willing to stab somebody, and what are the unintended consequences of that. And we never even know you know, I'll tell you an interesting story that's not in the. Doc, which is at Billy wash showed me, a number of plans that he had presented. Because sometimes the operators are asked like what do you think we should do? And it doesn't mean we do it is just that those plans get sent up the chain of command. And then it comes back. So he said he showed me these drawings. They were going to go kill Chavez, right? This is when Bush was in power, and you know he was like teaming up with Almodena jhad and he was really bad guide a threat to us. And so the plan was to halo in take the team down. Go kill Chavez and vanish. And the plans got rejected. They were like no way. We are not doing this, according to Billy wall. We'll Billy Waugh said to me recently. I mean thank God. We didn't do that. Can you imagine if we had, we would be blamed right now for everything that is going on in Venezuela? It's a really interesting point, I mean who has to make that decision. I'm glad it's not me. Can you imagine? Yes. Kill this guy. But don't kill that guy. That's a good idea. It's intense, and it's the world we live in that we don't discuss. And we don't think about because it doesn't affect our daily lives in terms of like it's not something year that's unavoidable. But I think it's super interesting because it also comes back to your own humanness me. What are you making judgments about what are you for against? And why are you really are you really do you, do you want that opinion? I mean, I think that's so interesting and important and, and discuss it with your children, you know, and let people have my favorite expression is just as long as you don't make me do it. You know, I'm pretty tolerant of other people's opinions about this show force me into it, but this stuff impacts all of us, it really does really does how the robot's going to be taken over your show Joe. No, no. Well, they probably could. To a certain extent. I don't think robots are currently capable of spontaneous humor. Right. That's the only thing saving a person like me. Oh, there's nothing funny about a drone. No not yet. But what is the difference, too wet ware and hardware and silicon based, you know, interactions, like if there's a computer that can beat the greatest chess masters, and they they have, and then the greatest goal master now to which they thought was even more complex that people just get destroyed by these computers, now like, what would makes us think that creativity is so unique and special, I think, what separates us really is our biological instincts, and that these are things that are programmed into our DNA, over thousands of years of survival, that this is these are the things you have to worry about this is the information we have and act on that intuition trust. You know, should I trust should I not? And you got out of the equation, really bad things could happen. Yeah. I warned I worry, I worry that we're creating a thing that's going to surpass us. But I think that that's inevitable. I mean if I was a champ. And I was worried about becoming a person should pro, you know, seem silly. It's inevitable the scariest AI story. I know it's old right? It's like doom alliance Cantillon, but it's from, like early day, it gathered around children. This is like early days of DARPA. Okay. And this is when we were really seriously afraid that the Russians were going to send you know, a hundred thermonuclear warheads at Washington and take out the whole country again. So DARPA sets up this station at the top of the world to monitor the Soviet launch so that, you know, because it only takes twenty four minutes for ICBM to get from the launch pad in Russia to hit New York or Washington. Okay. So we set up the station up there and to monitor this, so we will have some kind of jump on this k- like we'd learn at about eight minutes. My God, you know, was a radar station that. Station called the B moose site or j site is connected to the no Rad's station in Cheyenne Mountain. In other one from the movies, right? Okay. And it's like the first week of business and the guys that are sitting there in the station. Looking for the alert are sitting there and they've been trained like alerts. Never go off and all of a sudden the alerts go from one two three four number five is game. Okay. So the information that the technicians are getting now one thousand Soviet thermonuclear missiles are on their way to Washington DC with ninety nine point nine percent, certainty actual story. Okay. The guy panics, but he trusts he says, wait a minute. You know, because he's supposed to now give the launch coat let's try and get the generals on the phone. They can't get the Pentagon, general in charge of no rat. They get a Canadian guy named general slamming and slamming. You know, my God, we should we launch should we launched Slim's, like, wait a minute. Human thought he. -membered that the night before he thought he saw Khrushchev on TV at the UN him. He's famously banging his shoe. And he says where's cruise Jeff right now? They check he's in New York City. Why would the Soviets send a thousand nuclear weapons are way while their own leaders in New York, they said, I don't know sir, but the radar returns are reporting this, and they're so someone had the idea that be moose site to go outside. And lo and behold, what was there a big full moon. The system was reading the moon moving, and misinterpreted it as a thousand nuclear thermonuclear, ICBM BM's Cummings. Crummy didn't launch. So we came that close to the end of the world. I mean, in it's an astonishing story, the documents are now declassified, but is an actual indication of why that element of human inter Ventian why trust why other information like, oh, I think I saw Khruschev on the TV last night is so important because the machine said with ninety nine point nine percent certainty. This is happening, you Yuma. We must launch and retaliation true store, anti freaked me out. Thank you. Thank you for everything. Thank you for the books. Thank you for your talk here with us. Your new book, which is surprised kill. Vanish area, fifty one, which I will read, I promise you, I will read it, and if people want to get a hold of you on social media. What is your is it as well on? Okay. All right. Thank you, Anne. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you, everyone for tuning into the show, and thanks to our sponsors. Thank you to Stevie checkout. 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Ep 182: Babies, Apologies, Entanglements, Housewives, Kourtney + Addison, & More

"Hi Guys. I'm Nonjui and we're the girls behind comments by CELEBS and welcome back to another episode. Hey Joel. Hey I mean. I doing and I feel like you kind of had a day. A. Yeah, a kind of a long week like. You really did. Do you want to share your experience. no I had a little bout of lyme disease, but we're okay now. They caught it early. Everything's good. She thought it was a hernia. It's not. Like in retrospect now that we're talking about it like I thought it was a hernia, and despite her bite, which they're like, you just have a swollen lymph node in a very obvious bullseye and I was like okay, relax relax. On Julius her. We were just kind of in disbelief because there was. It's not even like there was a little bit of a physical activity that we kind of associate that with you know what I mean. Typically Hernias come from some sort of strenuous activity there. There was nothing there wasn't even like one stood up. You know the only thing that we like the on the the most radius thing that I'd done that we have connected evacuate even probably was. Singing no air. That was the only for what I can think of I. Genuinely thought that's what happened. That's what happened. Isn't that was like Julie like I? Obviously, you know I'm so. Like I'm so upset, the earn paying shoes like if you go to the doctor and they figure out that your it was caused from you belting no air like we will never not tell that story. Down, but no just the very soul in lymph node. Yeah, but she's going to be okay. They caught it early. She just a little tired, but that's okay, okay. Okay so I WANNA. Say as always is GONNA. Come in for the Bravo recap and I'm going to put the time stamps for the Bravo recap in the kardashian recap in the. Descriptions I know some people aren't so into it, but I gotTa tell you if you are. This was quite the week to be Bravo Fan. When Kris Jenner came out in. That house is episode. I just lost my mind. I cannot wait to talk about that but I as you guys know every week we highlight a black owned business. And this week, and this is one that I have probably had this product since I was a two thousand ten. It's called Spy Bell S. P. Bell and the woman who started her name is Kim Overton, and she started this because she was jogging, and she had her keys in her bra would like. We've all been there and she was like. There has to be a better way. Like doesn't need to be a fanny pack. It doesn't need to. To be you know sort of bag thing on the arm, so she created this thing called a spy belt, and the best way that I can kind of describe it as very thin material that goes around your waist, similar to a fanny pack, but far smaller, and if you look at it, you think like what is this GonNa fail just GonNa chapstick. No, it stretches. You can fit your phone your money, your chapstick your keys whatever you need. My mom, whereas the podcast in her hawes, it and like when she was alive people, she was known for these. She I'm looking at them national probably twenty them. She had so many that we will be like walking somewhere and if someone would like you to give it to them, because she knew that she had one at home like it was her personal mission to share this company with everyone and I saw Harry styles wearing it like last week on. Instagram and I was like Oh my God. That's five. Five out, and I looked into it and I realized this was a black owned business. I'm so excited I've wanted to share this company with people. It's amazing like it will change your life if you're Walker. If you're a runner, I couldn't speak more highly sti belt. I feel like I'm doing an advocate I'm just so passionate, but it's not actually you know how much I love. These I know also that is the most your mom thing I've ever heard of my life to just hand them outlook. Somebody complimented it's. So Classic! If you're listening to this podcast and you knew my mom, I'm sure is giving you on. It was her thing. And then the other thing we wanted to mention this is honestly just like a very full circle moment for us so last year, Julian I did this event and Creighton cultivate, and it was like a women's empowerment thing and we were on a panel with Becca. Tobin, other really incredible women, and after we were sitting just with my dad off to the side, and this woman came up to us, and she was like. Hi, I'm a longtime follower. I'm a loyal podcast listener. And You and I were just like to talk to us him. I was like who who else is here. That doesn't happen to us. Obviously you know. No, we're not. We're like relatively faces and stuff, but I guess she gets enough speak. She was so sweet I. Dad was obviously like. Emmy she wants to talk to. You like so. anyway. So she email manchus like is I know. Hiding black owned businesses kind of wanted to shamelessly pug myself, and she launched on Friday her own line of swimwear. It's called nomad swimwear. The head on Instagram and waste described as destination inspired size inclusive brand that creates chic high-quality swimwear for bodies of all sizes, so goes from sizes small to four X, and I mean to me. I feel like it's such an honor that we are able to highlight a business one of our listeners so Taylor I'm really excited for you. We both are I. Hope You have so much success with this and definitely check it out. I just I'm really excited just launch on Friday so I feel so happy that we're like you know one of the first people to kind of announce it. You know that is so exciting I'm so excited for you truly when? That was such a moment for us. We're like WHO WANNA talk to us. Zero. Your Dad was like so what she she knew she. You, know her I was like. Go Steve Don't count. It was a really cool things. We're happy to We're so happy to highlight that. Okay. Leery about to start I. Just want to say I know some of you like us are losing your mind over this coordinate addison thing. We're going to talk about it in the crash recap, which again Bravo Times, damn crashing Johnston. We're GONNA. Put in the in the description. Know not everybody's into it, but I'm sure we will get into a lengthy discussion on that one because. I have so much to say Julie. I know we will get into a lengthy discussion. If there's one thing I know to be absolutely true in this world, it's the we will get into a lengthy discussion about it. That's why that like reason, right? There is why I feel so much gratitude, genuinely from the bottom of my soul for having this podcast, and for every single one of you, because it's not just the three of us in a group chat talking about how obsessed we are with this now. I know that there's this entire. Large Community of people that needs to talk about Courtney Addison. As much as we do, and thank you for every one of you for giving us the opportunity to do this. It's so exciting an incredible and I just love you so much. I'm so excited you ready on my God. I am so ready I feel exactly the same. I know okay. I think we're GonNa talk about today is Jessica Biel and Justin Timberlake having a second child totally randomly. So basically news on Saturday that. They welcomed their second child this week. They have one son currently. His name is Silas. He's five years old and you know. Neither of them have been publicly photographed since around March but. Because of the pandemic, that wasn't weird like. I don't think anybody was thinking anything of it. Because realistically like you said if you're not athletic and added, the arm is like. You're not really photograph right now, you know. Yeah, it's it's them in Shawn, Mendez in Comilla. That's pretty much it from. Joe and Sophie and you know we've pretty much created the perfect climate to have secret celebrity baby Ed. I was waiting for someone to do this, you know. Vote yes, because it's like so impressive. Secret and like secrets, celebrity babies almost like an oxymoron. I know I mean we even I know what you're talking about. Kylie in the sense of when Kylie was pregnant. Even though we didn't actually see a picture of her pregnant until there was same as TMZ shot of her in the black shirt, black sweatpants like they were rumbles. We kind of knew it. We knew that it was happening with this one. It was a complete shock. Nobody had any idea we didn't know until we got that email from like the Daily Mail. Pr Thing of like just in case you didn't see it like what the fuck you know. I will never never as long as I live. Never forget the moment of seeing that picture of Kylie. Julia I have chosen I think about it. That was, it was because at the time. It was one of those things. Where like you hear this rumor and. A rumor, and then you hear that they're not denying it and you're like. Wait a second. The KARDASHIANS are very quick to deny, and then slowly slowly, and we saw that picture. We were just like. Wow, this is happening, you know. The? Only God like the time line of finding out each one of them was pregnant. A brings me back. He gives me literal chills all of our body. You know you can't compare these type of thing. This one really came out of the blue, and they also haven't posted anything on social media that could you could kind of tell that she was pregnant, but a friend of Justin Justice confirmed it to the Daily Mail and said she gave birth earlier this week. which, of course we're so happy for them I. Only reason I'm going to mention this next thing is because I could tell from our DMZ everybody was going here like. Let's just take the elven out of the room which was. Yes, they've been married. Since two thousand and twelve, they had their first son in two thousand fifteen, and it was back in November. Which yes, as as all the Internet detectives trace. That was seven months ago where that was an incident when Justin was seen in new. Orleans with his co star Alicia Wayne rate kind of being a little bit touchy. He then posted that apology on his grade, which I will never get over the fact that Justin. Timberlake was posting a note apology to his grid instead of PR statement, but that's another conversation. And, so yes, if the timeline is correct, Jessica would have been pregnant this time. Only reason I mentioned that it doesn't take away. Anything from the pregnancy is just because so many people message you know. Yeah, it's actually funny. 'cause when I was doing the outline first of all I went back on his actual instagram to find that apology and I could not believe he had an archive debt like I if I was opposed in like two three months later when you know when when everything was Kinda gone, and your feet have gone back normal enough to just our private and known of notice. So that I couldn't believe and again when I was like trying to get the time line of what happened, I was looking at the pictures again and I was like Oh, God. Those are still some damning photos. I'll tell you that much, but. Are Wary. Happy for them regardless, it's interesting with the archives thing because on one hand. It's like I. See that, but also you know how people are. If he archive that now when he didn't do before if you are of that now or even if he did before, people only realize it now, the headline would have been like Justin Timberlake Archives Cheating apology amid Jessica Biel surprise birth announcement. I mean even though it wasn't even eating. Like I just think that. You can't win in that situation. Maybe he's like listened. Part of my story I'm just GONNA leave it up. Fuck it. Yeah, or maybe forgotten holiday. Honestly I almost forgot until until we were redoing this to talk about the story, you know yeah, definitely. Yeah, anyway. Congratulations to them so exciting assured is absolutely horrible. I can always say. The next thing that we want to report on I know. The news broke right after we had released last week's podcast, but this was just. So upsetting so since our podcast last week Nyerere's body has been found and her causes. Death death has been determined to be drowning. Her body was found on Monday July thirteenth, which very eerily was the seven year anniversary of Corey Monte Staff. I mean. This was just terrible like I. You know seeing the. Glee cast mates post toward her in the tributes. Which I'm going to read. One really really was emotional. You know yeah, it was really it was really emotional. Saying I have to say also what got me really emotional was? A people really flooded twitter with their accounts of like what like fan wise I mean of like what Nymex them because there really wasn't entire generation of people who watched her on Glee and their courage to come out, came from Ny, and there were so many people talking about that recounting that and influence that she had on tire. Generation of people that I don't think anyone really. Like the impact that are character was like so special this. Yeah no it. It's so true those I. It's such A. When someone who was so beloved passes away. It's a really touching experience. Just scroll through twitter and to see. Like the tributes from people never even met them, but we're just so touched and so moved and like so impacted, because we wouldn't have necessarily heard those stories you know, and it's done to take such a tragedy of course for that to be the case, but like it's just to me. That's the there's no more powerful tribute than being able to like. Explain so So poignantly exactly the impact of that person out on your life for never been meeting them and it was just an. She, really left a legacy. I WanNa read this. I WanNa read this post so. This is from Kevin McKell. And he said Maya Mice Snicks may be I legitimately cannot imagine this world value seven years ago today she and I were together in London. When we found out about Corey, we were so far away, but I was so thankful that we had each other. A week ago today we were talking about running away to Hawaii. This doesn't make sense. I know probably never will. She was so independent and strong, and the idea of her not being here something I cannot comprehend. She was a single most quitted. Person I've ever met with a steel trap memory. That could recall the most forgettable conversations from a decade ago verbatim. The amount of time shoot memorialize all those crazy model memorize all of those crazy monologues ugly this morning, the morning of and would never ever mess up during the scene I mean. She was clearly more talented than the rest of us. She was the most talented person I've ever known. There's nothing she can do. And I'm furious. We won't get to see more. I'm so thankful for all the ways in which she made me a better person, she taught me how to advocate for myself and to speak up for the things at the things and people that were most important to me always. I'm thankful for the Times. I grew in AB muscle from offering so hard at something she said I'm thankful. She became like family I'm thankful that my dad happened to have met her weeks before I did and when I got glee, he told me look out for a girl named Maya because she seemed ice. While Dad, she was nice. She became one of my favorite people ever. If you're fortunate enough to have known her, you'll know that. Her most natural town of all was being a mother. The way that she loved her boy, it was truly neither most peaceful. I'm thankful that I got that beautiful little boy back on that boat. I think well, he will have a strong family around him to protect him and tell him about his incredible mom. I just want more than anything that her family is given. The station time to come to terms with this for having such a tiny body Nye had such a gigantic presence avoid. They will now be felt by all of us those of us who knew her personally and the millions of who loved her through? Your TV's I love you be. My Garden far crime in her bank now no Julie's. It's really such a heartbreaking thing in like. A. According to the investigators you know apparently what happened, was her and her son were swimming. They! You know the the published too strong. And she managed to get him back on the she wasn't able to. which like when you think about like a mother's final acts of. Bravery for their child like there's no, you know what I mean like. That's just can't even comprehend it. You know worse, and that's kind of what we're saying last week. When I was, we were talking about all the conspiracy theories within all the. Things that people are coming up with and posting on Tiktok and posting on twitter on instagram and. The thing the the problem that I had with it and especially you know finding out about her being able to get her son back onto the bone her. You know everything that happened was like. This little boy will be able to hold onto the fact that his mom's like last dying act was an act of just pure motherhood, impure bravery in like saving his life, and the idea that anybody would kind of use some conspiracy theory or some investigation that they kind of conducted on their own. Not Purposely, but that can even have an effective taking that away from him was just show heartbreaking to me and I was like I. Just think that we need to let the dust settle before we. Talk about it now that we know what happened, and now that we do have the facts are most of the facts. I stand with that idea of like. There's no need to bring conspiracy theory into this. Let that little boy have what he has. My I totally agree that is like. You know he was four years old. Of course he. He remembers his mom to have that I mean it's hard. Obviously heartbreaking in her wrenching you along for for the rest of his life, but like to know there. There's never a question in his mind. How much Islam walked him. He did the she did like the ultimate sacrifice. You know it's really It's an unbelievably. Tragic Story and specifically happening on the seven year anniversary. Like is just it's just heartbreaking and I just feel for everybody that knew her in those who just touched by air throughout their lives and of course we send so much left to her family. Absolutely yes. The next thing that we wanted to quickly touch on. This isn't really a story, but we just felt we had to update you guys since our discussion last week regarding the whole Jada and will thing so since the red table talk episode came out. August Alsina dropped new song. Featuring Rick Ross called wait port entanglements. I mean like. You know. I mean this was one of the lyrics. This song is quote. The definition of entanglement is when you tangled in the sheets. I I. Don't know if to say like I just. This is too much for me to handle. This is too for me to have gotta tell you I have been thinking about this story so much and like I can't believe we're living in this world where this is. The transparency is beautifully overwhelming. I celebrate I celebrate. This is art imitates life. You know. I'm overwhelmed I. I don't know this. This is one of the stories. We're like I'm going to remember this year in terms of like celebrity stories. I'M GONNA stick to this when I think this'll be a classic I think we'll go back on this back on this back on this like it'll be like. Yeah, that was bad, but remember Jadon will read table talk you know. We always say that, and then we care remember anything. I will tell you exactly how this conversation will go. In December, we are getting ready to do our recap of the whole year and our major events, and we can't remember anything and I will be sitting on my phone and I will be going down the list of them like on news or whatever and then I'll get to Oh. My God I forgot about will Smith, and Jada and you're gonNA. Be Oh my God. Me Too I really. How so crazy jury wasn't so crazy? That was so wild that isn't that. Thing I would I know for a fact. That's hilarious. Yeah, no, I don't know you're probably right, but in this moment I feel that I have this. Just real real deep interest in the story that I don't think it's going away anytime soon, but you know I'll come December who the fuck knows the way this year is going I I can remember echoed. Forget it next week, you know. That's the beauty of Hollywood and our jobs is that we think can't get crazier and it always always always. Does he just always exactly? If you are a fan of the office, which I'm assuming that a large portion of our audiences. It is so essential that you was about to say. There is a new podcast called an oral history of the office, and it's hosted by Brian Baumgartner. Who obviously plays Kevin Malone and basically the series kind of goes inside the making of the office in it. Almost examines how it basically overcame all the odds to really change the face of television sets honestly what it did, and it has interviews with the cast and creators. There's never before heard stories from those who were there from the very beginning it I can't even believe this is real I'm so so check out an oral history of the Office for free only on spotify. Okay. The next thing that we wanted to talk about was the whole Meghan the stallion Tory lanez situation. People were understandably so really confused first. Let's break down what happened, and then we'll get into some of the aftermath. So basically, what happens is reports. I circulate that Toyland Lanez was arrested on gun, possession charges and revealed that Megan styling with him at the time of the arrest that was nobody had any idea what else happened. Then fans started to speculate about the role. That Megan had an incident whether or not you know she was arrested. People really didn't know. Twitter was going wild with all these different theories. So? Nagin and following all the speculation released a statement on Instagram, saying that she actually was the victim, and she was shot and this incident, so I'm going to read her host and her caption. says. The narrative is being reported about Sunday mornings events are inaccurate and I'd like to set the record straight on Sunday morning I suffered gunshot wounds as a result of a crime that was committed against me and done with the intention to physically harm. I was never arrested. The police officers drove me to the hospital where he underwent surgery to remove the bullets I'm incredibly grateful to be alive and then expected to make a full recovery recovery, but it was important for me to clarify the details about the traumatic night. Currently focused on my recovery, so I can return back to my life back to making music as soon as possible. And our caption was I was never arrested. The whole experience was an eye-opener and a blessing in disguise a hate that it took this experience for me to learn how to protect my energy. So. Once, this came out. People were like holy, Shit, you know. And a source told page six quote. Tori fire the shots from within the vehicle. Wamegan was outside, trying to leave. There was a video they should. Police are investigating that she said this is a case of a man physically harming abusing woman. So two things I WANNA mention. Previously to this happening, there was. instagram videos of Kylie Meghan stallion and Tory Lanez at a Hollywood party. It's unclear whether that was Kylie's house. Nobody's really sure exactly what was going on. It's Kinda speculated that this was this happened before the incident. So. After this happened, and clearly, this was a serious. Emmett needed to be met with a lot of I, mean series. Is this woman was shot? She was rushed to the hospital like she said she was lucky to be alive. Yes, she was shot in her for that very easily. The bullet could have gone somewhere else. And what started to happen, was people started to kind of like I think because it was known that she survived. People felt like it was fair game, and this really sick twisted way to kind of make light of the entire situation. And specifically fifty cent posted this like very fucked up me with the caption run. Ricky! Run what the fuck is really going on. I'm not sure if it was that post or just the entire kind of. A lot of the twitter community banning together to make the situation, but Meghan tweeted. Lack, women are so unprotected, and we hold so many things into protect the feelings of others without considering our own might be funny to you on the Internet and just another messy topic free to talk about, but this is my real life and I'm really hurt traumatized. Truly this was a really fucking scary situation. Yeah, it was, and it was very confusing. I think piecing it all together, and not to excuse the Internet but I think that's kind of where some of it came from in terms of like memes, tweets in jokes was because this wasn't a situation where you know something happened and then right away you got all of the news and the incident and what went down like even after Megan Post, that instagram? There was still like a period of time where people are like okay, but who shot her? We didn't know it. It was Tori right away like it was it was there was a lot of confusion about this event and again not to like excuse the internet or make light of what happened, but I think that we see a lot of times with celebrity incidences like this when things start to slowly come out, and you start to get little pieces of information and the Internet. Does this thing like as we were just talking about where they kind of piece together the information on their own and come up with their own sayings. Then turns into memes and it's just kind of the natural cycle of the Internet. And I think this was just a really really specific of this, but it was also a a really scary situation and Like. I mean our hearts goes out smelling. Obviously, you know as long as she's okay. Hey, you know that's amazing news like that's a very traumatic situation. We put it and leaves a lot of like very damaging long-term effects and I. Don't think it's a situation that we can just take lightly. While no, of course, not an also. What's really crazy is like again. We don't know exactly what happened. I don't know nobody knows the conversation that went on in the car. We don't know why she's trying to get out. That wasn't released yet, but. What's? Scarier! When like they knew each other they were in the car together was not like this was some stranger wasn't like. This was some drive-by shooting, and she just happened to be an innocent bystander that had nothing to do with this was someone who she trusted who she was in the roar. So that's what makes it so scary. I anything that that's why this is such. I would imagine for her like almost particularly jarring, because you place your trust and someone and the last thing you're expecting is they're going to pull a gun you again I have no idea what transpired He was released on thirty five thousand dollars bail, and he's scheduled to appear in court October thirteenth so. I don't know I'm sure more will come out about this but it you know it just scary, and also you know. People were really kind of clinging to the Kylie Jenner aspect of the story because I guess. Meghan and Kylie no longer follow each other. I can't say with certainty that they were ever following each other. Kylie only falls one hundred forty nine people. Megan follows over a thousand I. Don't know if something happened that then caused them to after that night. I really honestly don't have any idea, but to me. That's like the least significant part of this whole thing you an interesting anecdote. Kylie happened to be there, but like this woman was shot. You know right. Right and also like no matter what went down no matter what happened like. The only thing the only blame that you can put on another person is the fact that he shot her. It doesn't matter the argument. It doesn't matter what highly role in it like she was shot. There is no excuse for no reason for it so to like bring other people into it and trying to I. Don't know what happened, but I know it's Kylie's. Kylie's fault like it's not Kylie's fault. She got shot. It's not Meghan Fall. It's not about is no inventories fault because he shot her. If that's the case again, we don't have one hundred percent confirmation certainty that would happen, but I think that based on the reports and based on the evidence in based on what we're understanding. We can piece that much together, yeah. Yeah No, it'll be really interesting to see what comes out I. Just hope for her. Yes, she'll make a physical recovery but I just think it's you know if you don't need to be on Tiktok to know this, but specifically, if you're on talkie realized Megan, this Dahlia was having a fucking moment like she was really really ramping up in a way that. That she I don't know to me. I felt like her career was on this insane trajectory every single song she's coming out with his hit. Every single song as top of the charts talk wise, and you know it's scary when something like this happens in a kind of jokes, you back to this really scary reality of how human we all are. You know yes. Just like one thing can happen, and and it just like rocks, your world and I, just you know mentally just hope for her. She really takes time she needs. It doesn't feel this pressure like immediately jumped back because I think that's really scary, so of course we'll update you guys once more, but we're thinking about her and I'm really genuinely sorry. She had to go through that he can't even. Also G. Hadeed revealed her baby for the first time on instagram. Live on Wednesday and two things I want to say about this. Obviously, I'm thrilled I. Forget every single week that judy is pregnant. Until I either she something someone posts something I remember, and then I freak out again. Because I cannot wait to see that baby will be the most beautiful baby I've ever seen. I think in my life. But like if you wash the live, she's like you know. People were saying that I wasn't showing. People were saying this here. You guys go and it's like. Can't women just catch motherfucking break one time one time? No matter what it is, you're finding. Era. Lost Weight. You're not that enough. You're this. You're not like cash. She be pregnant in peace. People show differently. Some people don't show it all like Jesus crazy. It's like either you're invalidating the pregnancy or then you're criticizing for weight gain. It's like let her be fucking. Happy the fact that she felt she had to do that not because she was excited to, because she was like defending herself. Just makes me so mad. On behalf of all women we are carry like you realize. These people are carrying children inside of them. You're so concerned about the fucking size of their bump. Yeah, it is. It is weird when you really think about it is weird. Julie it's it's bizarre. Fascination that people have with like. Meeting to kind of decode exactly. I can't handle it. I hate that. I think it's like I've obviously I have never been pregnant literally I. Tell You I took the test before this. ruined. Literally grave I'm not proud. Are you going to talk about having to take a test? Will you guys? I really try to be super safe, but you never know what I'm just terrified. And I'm not on birth control, because I'm terrified of the Hormones Unite Others Horn anyway. I never been I've never been pregnant and right now. I do not plan to you, but. You know I can just imagine like you're already going through so many changes with yourself emotionally with your body, and it's like the last thing they people need. Is these people coming at them? I can't really bothers me. Really. Well there is. There is such a fascination with women being pregnant Hollywood. I can't say that like were exempt from that, I think that like for example like when I saw Sophie Turner's baby for the first time in like actually saw it I was like literally took my breath away because I, like I kept forgetting like wasn't one hundred percent sure, and then we saw like there is the fascination that whenever somebody in Hollywood is pregnant, and there is a fascination with celebrity kids there, so many aspects of it that I think just a lot of the times, our fascination, our our excitement for certain celebrity turns. Or crosses a line, and then it becomes like okay listen. This is her journey to be on like. This is not our journey like it's enough that you know. She's choosing to share whatever aspects she is with us like we can't. You know what I mean like. We can't cross that line into expecting certain things from celebrities who are pregnant are expecting them to look a certain way or share their body with us. It's not our business. No we are. We are all guilty of it. We really not exempting us at all. I mean I'm exempting us from like the shaming because I just think like as fellow women. That's not something that we want to pay. Take Part in, but like this. This real kind of you know. There's nothing wrong with being fascinated, but I just think sometimes we can momentarily forget like they're dealing with process themselves I don't know I think I. Don't know why took g g from you to like? Have this whole moment? I just think I still can't believe that. It came as such a shock you know. But I just I. Don't know I'm just I'm really happy for her and I cannot wait to see that child. I just can't wait like. I can't wait. It'd be lying if I said I could wait I physically can't. I can't even tell you how excited I am to be doing this Ad. Because genuinely I cannot speak more highly of a company being a member of something. 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Heavy it's the nick cannon situation, and before we even start I just wanted to really really from the bottom of my heart. Thank everybody who deemed US Imelda's. commented, just said something really kind of about our conversation last week because the amount of Terrifying, anti-semitism, I think fair to say that we were met with after that not as much publicly mean. There were some comments, but not not as much publicly as it was over. Dm Because I. Think the meanest people tend to hide behind a computer was was really alarming against something I've never experienced, but it was so countered with the love and compassion from both fellow Jews, but also people of all religions at said, thank you so much, and I really really appreciated that I just wanted to thank you, because it's really scary when you're getting such hateful messages, and then it is such a breath of fresh air to get such kind notes and I. We couldn't respond to every single one of them, but I just want you to know that we both appreciate it. From the bottom of our hearts really made the whole process a lot less anxiety provoking. Don't you think that's say Julie? Definitely definitely fair I think it also, it wasn't even just that it made it easier I think it really made it worth it to see that there were so many people that message saying. Thank you for being like one of the only people to speak on this like it meant so much to me and I think that was a really rewarding experience for me at least. Yeah I totally agree and also I. I you know I personally felt like. I had anticipated that I would ever share my grandma's story on the PODCAST. You know and to be able to do that I don't think I realized in the moment. How connected I would feel to her. And after I just felt this real sense of like connection I felt like it was such a powerful way to honor her and so Just thank you for giving us do that, I just really appreciate it. And before I start this. What I want to say is again. It's less of course we're GONNA get into all of the details about what happened, but similar to the Sean. Jackson thing different because I think this was definitely. A different type thing, but I don't want it to be so much focused on the person and more about the. You know the the what was said in the conversation. Like as we say, our goal is not to like canceled at cannon that that's not helpful for anybody involved so I just WanNa. Make that clear off the top. So this all started when on Nick Scott cast cannons class, he made several very antisemitic comments during his conversation with Professor Griff. Known as Richard Griffin so professor Griff is a rapper who was formerly with the group public enemy, but he was actually fired from the group for making several. Deeply kind of scary, anti-semitic and homophobic comments. And so during this interview Nick said a lot of things including telling the professor that he agreed with the comments he made in the past that black people are the true Hebrews. Quote is never hate speech. You can't be Semitic when we are the people when we are the same people who they wanna be. That's our birthright. We are the true Hebrews. He shared a lot of kind of alarming conspiracy theories, which he. Is Important to hand these conspiracy theories were facts you know that Jews controlled the banks the media in the world which? Are just very common antisemitic tropes that are constantly said and. You know of course when this came out, it sparked. Again, not as much outrage as it should have, but a lot and. Viacom! Nick has been working with them for over a decade and. They ended up. Ending their partnership with L. Reader statement in a minute, but I want make it very clear. It was after he initially refused to apologize. They gave him the chance to apologize in here. REFUSED TO DO so they're statement is quote we can with Nick Hannah about an episode of his podcast cannons class on Youtube which promoted hateful speech and spread antisemitic theories. What we? We support ongoing education dialogue in the fight against bigotry deeply troubled indicas failed to acknowledge apologize for pet for perpetuating anti-semitism, and we're turning our relationship with him. We are committed to doing better in response to incidents of anti-semitism racism and Bigotry Viacom, CVS will have further announcements on our efforts to combat hate of all kinds so nick I demanded that Viacom issue. Issue having apology, he then eventually apologized himself, and I'm going to read his payments, so he I posted on Instagram, said first and foremost I extend my deepest and most sincere apologies to my Jewish sisters and brothers, the hurtful and divisive words that came out of my mouth during my interview with Richard Griffin, they reinforce the were stereotypes of a proud of magnificent people. People and I feel ashamed of the uninformed naive place that these words came from the video of this interview has since been removed while the Jewish experience encompasses more than five thousand years, and there is so much I have yet to learn I've had at least a minor history lesson over the past few days to say that it's eye-opening would be a vast understatement. I want to express my gratitude to the rabbis community leaders and institutions who reach out to me to help enlighten me instead of chastising me I wish my Jewish friends, new and old. This is only the beginning of my education. I'm committed to deeper connections more profound learning in strengthening the bond between our two cultures today in every day going forward. He then posted a picture of himself in a conversation with rabbi. Abraham Cooper of the Simon Wiesenthal. Center and he also posted on twitter. I heard an entire community. Pay Me To my core I. thought it couldn't get any worse that I watched my own community. Turn on me and call me a sell out for. Good night enjoyer. There's what do you WANNA start. There is a lot Yeah I'll start. I I don't even know what I want to say about this. Because you know the conversation we had last week was like. I had a moment before we had it. You know weeks before this ever come up where I was like. Very aware of you know the fact of anti-semitism being on the rise, and possibly even the fact of anti-semitism in Hollywood being on the rise. You know there is the issue with Chelsea handler. I'd seen up. You know celebrities posting Louis Farrakhan spoken about before an ice cube, posting things on twitter, and there was a moment that I had a couple of weeks prior to what we spoke about last week where I was like. Are we doing enough or am I. Doing enough to really talk about these issues given the platform that I have and there were so many times. We're just didn't feel appropriate to bring it up especially in light of everything going on. When it came time to last week and we spoke about it. It was like okay. You know that conversation I felt was not done with, but it happened. We can kind of move on from this happening, so then have moved on from that conversation to see an entire group of people so hurt by what happened with Sean Jackson, quoting Hitler and the antisemitic tropes that he was kind of putting forward. To then have that happen again was like. This issue is bigger than I think any of US realize in this issue of anti-semitism, rising and especially within Hollywood is something that needs to be addressed, and then again it felt like it just wasn't spoken about and again it was the same feeling of like. Not so much. What about us, but like does anybody care like? There are such deeply deeply hurtful things being said, and there's no reaction and and I said this last time where I was talking about it like. The Jewish community in its entirety and I mean worldwide is so small. It is so miniscule compared to so many people so when somebody is doing. Hey, on these platforms, and they have the reach. Their reach is larger than the entire Jewish community itself and you know there's a part of me that like when I was trying to think about how I wanted to talk about this on the podcast and what I wanted to say. would be lying if I said that. I wasn't struggling between the idea of like. Do I want a reply or do? We want to reply to what Nick candidates saying the fact that you know did he is backing him up the fact that ice US backing up and the fact that it seems like there's just so much anti Semitism in Hollywood right now or do I want to respond to the fact. That I spent so much time looking through the replies on these pictures of Nick Cannon of ditty on Instagram, and seeing the most hateful things I've ever seen in my life because I would be lying if I said that that didn't affect me, And I. Think it's really word. To. Read all of these comments and then feel like you can't respond and the thing is. Is that you know these comments were all perpetuating the same thing. Nicanor doesn't have to apologize. He didn't say anything anti. Semitic nothing he said was hurtful. Everything he said was true. It's all fact and it's not fact. None of it's fact it is all propaganda, and it is all lies than it is all things that are being said from. Possibly a very informed uninformed place, but still a very hateful place and Ignore the fact of the Jewish community being so hurt by what's being said. It's just shocking to me like at a time where we're all banning together and we're all supposed to be fighting this. Hey, to have it then turned on us for what seems like. No reason is just very confusing and it's. I don't even know how to begin to address it because. It involves having an understanding of where this is coming from and you know. When you're looking at the world right now in the current political climate everything that's going on and you have people you know white supremacist groups in Charlottesville. Chanting Death to the Jews or burn the Jews you have white supremacist groups blocking around with Nazi flags, painting Nazi flags on Synagogues Nazis side swastikas everywhere, and then you have a group of people saying there's no place for the Jews in our en-. This progressiveness because they're the ones that are the white supremacists like. It's just so confusing to be in the middle of that when you know so certainly who you are, and you have a group of people trying to deny that and take that away from you. Julie so beautifully said. That was so beautiful, perfectly said, and specifically your point about the reading, the replies on his on his post was actually far more damaging than what he said resonates with me so much because it's not that like you said it's not the we had. We were naive as to the hate, the Jews experience, but if I'm being totally honest with you I was naive to be. Public Nature with which people felt comfortable spewing it. I, don't think I fully understood that I. Don't think that I. I Made I knew that there was always people would say things behind closed doors I got that you know as Jews. You just grow up knowing that as you know, you're walking in here. Put Your Jewish Dr Under your shirt. You know that you know that there's hate in the world but I I didn't recognize it was going to be. It was so public. And the comparability with it, because of the lack of consequences is buying its terrifying. I just so resonate with what you said. It is scary because I think a lot of the times when people speak, they say these things that they think are so rooted in fact when they're so rooted deeply in hey and just. Lies. that. There are no consequences to that and. The fact of the matter is is there are consequences. There are hate crimes that are on the rise there is I mean if you look at the FBI statistics, it'll be I opening for you to see you know just the amount of hate crimes against Jews. We you know we account for. Less than two percent of the population and yet Jews account for nearly sixty percent of religious based hate crimes, I mean those numbers should be startling to anybody and the fact of the matter is. Is that when you're spewing this hate of? Everything's the juice for blamed the Jews. They did this they did that. They control the media. They control the banks. They control the world like and you think you're just saying these things in there. They're just waiting. Or they're just. You know conspiracy theories. But then people are getting attacked and physically attacked graves, going desecrated with with swastikas and synagogues are being shot, and it's like you have to take a step back and realize the power of your words and something that I was really struggling with in the context of this conversation is like. Jews should not have to prove to you. Why your words matter, they shouldn't have to prove to you that there are antisemitic attacks on the rise. They shouldn't have to prove to you that they don't control the media or that. They don't control the banks and they shouldn't have to. Tell you what resources to look at that are based in fact and not based in live for you to be able to understand that if somebody says it's racism is racism, you shut up and you listen if somebody says it's homophobic, you shut up and you listen, and then for some reason it seems like when somebody's saying, it's antisemitic. You have a whole comment section in a whole group of people saying we'll shirts antisemitic. But why is there a, but there should never be a, but if somebody's telling you, something is anti-semitic. There's no reason to attach to that statement it just is. No beautifully said. It's exactly true and I wanted to read this because I think that is really important. You know something that wasn't. Discussed enough was that. Nick Nick statements completely. Don't leave any space for lack Jews Ethiopian Jews Sephardic Jews. Any non white Jews which there are a lot of in. There was this article me undefeated from this woman Sarai. McDonald's and it was entitled. I'm a Jew of color. I won't be quiet about anti-semitism new cannon's comments, and he's public support for him brought us a million paying of the trial, disappointment and anger. It's a really long article. I. Highly Recommend you reading it, but I just wanted to read these closing paragraphs because I think they were very powerful. So, she said this week in the wake of cannon, statements and subsequent firing did he's rush to embrace him. My stomach turn to new when I saw messages like this one on social media says she was referring to was tweet from a black woman that said on behalf a block. People like to say. Fuck Anne Frank and her whole squad. And Sarai wrote it was genuinely chilling this time. The Anti Semitism was coming from people who looked like me. The people who attended the same historically black universities knee, and reveled in the schools, a place of black pride and intellectualism, just like me, but unlike in that long ago, journalism class now's not the time for me to shrink back to remain quiet quote surviving something obliged you to carry on the knowledge. My mother told me when I facetime her this week I remember someone saying never think it won't be so bad. We thought that in nineteen, thirty six, and it was late in the game. I thought that was such a powerful statement because there's this real lack of acknowledgment that it completely disregards the intersection analogy between. You know. Black people in Judaism which exists. Yeah, yeah, it does exist and there it comes in so many different forms in terms of intersection out in terms of you know. Some people are black and Jewish. Some people you know there's just so much of that. You know not only did nick cannon's comments leave that entire group of people out of the conversation. It invalidated. It literally attempted to invalidate everybody's Judaism Black White, whatever you are just attempted to invalidate that and I think that is just such a disheartening to hear our end. You know there's this idea what she said in the end that fought in that lasts you. You know a paragraph for thing. where she said like we thought that nineteen thirty relate to the game that I think people don't understand the concept of intergenerational trauma. And you know I saw tweet recently. That's that's like a famous story. Where somebody was talking about their grandfather, who had been kicked out of like six different countries for being Jewish. There's because there's A. If you Jewish there is a good chance that your ancestors were kicked out of almost every country that they were in prior to the Holocaust after the Holocaust wherever and this kid tweeted saying. My Grab, who had been kicked out of six different countries asked me once like American I, said, yes, and his response was good. Don't get too comfortable, and it's this real idea of intergenerational trauma that I don't think a lot of people understand, but and this is what I said to you like. If you look at the history of black people, and you look at the history of Judaism, I can promise you. You will find far more similarities than far more things that link us together than separate us. You know the idea of. Being Oppressed and and you know hated for who you are is. There constants for both of us, and I'm not trying to compare oppression. I think they're very different things that we go through. I think that you know black people in America right now. Our focus is on you and with you and I just think there's no place to tear anybody else down in the process of building it up and I think that as Jews we have a responsibility to you know. Take these comments and understand that. They're not true. Do our best to inform people and help people in on and allow them to understand why they're not true, and in the process of doing so continue to do what we've been doing this whole time, which is supporting black lives, matter in standing up for people and doing what's right because you know if the recent anti-semitism that's come to light has given you a reason to stop supporting black lives matter. It means that you probably had an agenda beforehand. So all we can do is to continue to do what we've done and continue to do. What's right and hopefully people will realize that. This is not you know the things that they say about us are not true and when I say that. We have to continue to do what's right. That's not from a point of like. We have to prove ourselves. It's wrong point of like it's what's right. Exactly exactly it's it's. It's such a true point. I. Know that he's totally longer than we wanted. But there's just there was so much to stay in still left to say but I feel like. We covered a lot there. No that was perfect I'm so proud of new. I think with this subject you I I always will defer to you not because I am not as passionate about it, but I think that like we all kind of know we know our strength and I think that your knowledge in the space is greater than mine and I. I. Just I like here. I'd rather listen than speak on this as much. Listen to you because I think that you really kind of from a really good angle. I appreciate that Is Von. I think that I might have a bright future as Judaism's Carl lentz. Yeah I I, so could see that I. really could but yeah. I totally agree I just like. My heard is equal to yours, but I can't convey this subject in the way that you can. Because I think I get you caught up motion, aspect and I really appreciate you say next such an important message and. You know I just. Weight loss that I that I. quickly want to cause you had said earlier in. It's very true it was like. Nobody, Nick Cannon is not being canceled Nick. Cannon was fired from one of his jobs. He's still on the I can speak only for myself. I cannot speak on behalf of all Jews. I'm not looking for him to get fired from everything. That's not what I want. I think he. was given a chance to apologize. He didn't and he is now taking accountability for that to me. I I. See nothing wrong with that I think that was what should have been done, but no part of me thinks that like this man. What are we doing if we are canceling someone who is actively trying to learn? What are we doing? We are really shut education process. Nobody wants that nobody wants that. There's a difference between accountability and cancelling, and you know similar to Jackson like sitting down with the Holocaust survivor students sitting down at the rabbi. Those are good tangible steps I am not one to criticize with this type of thing because I can only speak. Like, if you are the group that is being attacked, you're the only one that can accept the apology right so. We are personally I can only speak for myself in terms of his apology. I'm not one to like. Look at that with kind of a fine tooth comb like at some sort of Hollywood divorce statement. I take people for their word initially and like I. Don't want him to I appreciate the steps he's taking. Myself. That's how I. That's how I. Will. That's I think that's. The issue was canceled culture that nobody has able to. Properly explain is that. First of all, if somebody does something, that's genuinely bad. If there is a sex abuse, if there is sexual assault. If there's anything of that nature, it's not cancellation. It's holding somebody accountable. They don't deserve to have a career in Hollywood or whatever if they are doing something that is that awful in that disgusting and I will always stand by that in terms of people, saying things, and in terms of people you know. Know making missteps and miscalculations, and saying things that are genuinely wrong a lot of the time. I think that what canceled culture fails to take into account is the fact that people can change and I think that if you don't believe that people can change than its much larger issue than canceled culture but I think that we have to give at least give people the opportunity to like with Nick Cannon. He wasn't. Wasn't canceled. He was fired from a job and it was accountable and the issue that we were talking about it in that firing also is that the problem is he was held. K. was given the opportunity to apologize. He didn't apologize. He was fired and then perpetuated the stereotype of Jews controlling the media. It was like see he was far from Viacom. Jews control everything, and that's not the case. It's called accountability. Accountability, but his apology that he then released afterwards, and the things he said, since has led me to believe and I think a lot of people that he is sincere and this and that he's doing the work, and I do believe that people can learn and grow from their experiences in learning grow from the things that they say and I believe that all people have should have the opportunity to do the same. Absolutely absolutely and like I said we. I think we as Jews have the right to evaluate his apology. Whereas in other cases, we just don't have that. You're white person. You cannot say no. That wasn't racist. No, if a black person is telling you, that was racism. Black person is telling you that that. Apologize polly. Suffice we are. Who are we to? Even comment on that? You know what I'm saying. But in this particular case we do have that ability and I agree with you. I always will give on the benefit of the doubt that he is that they are trying, and so of course we'll see, but like. Please know that our intention is not like down cannon doesn't it doesn't help anybody in my view is my personal. I think that the most important thing here that we can do is to bridge the gap and allow people to. Understand and see where both sides are. You know are connected and just take it from there to lot of education that needs to be had on both sides. You know the Jewish community is not perfect by no means in this place is saying that like we are exempt from any conversation we're not. There's a lot of Jews that need to you know. Respond better in terms of racism and the things they say in understanding that and the and the same as with the reverse, so there's a lot of education a lot of conversations that needs to be on both, and the most important thing is bridging that gap. Totally agree totally agree. We are about to ring is literally thirty seconds I. Just want to quickly comment I'm not GonNa get into a discussion about if it's so many people message us. Yes, I watched every stars video I have genuinely nothing to say when I tell you I am so done with this like this entire thing I just. I can't handle. I'm over it I'm done with it. It's like. You know. What do you want me to say about Jeffrey Star? You want me to evaluate his character. We know his fucking character. You know he didn't release forty minute video. Yes, he pushed the black lives. Matter Agenda Black Lives Matter Movement for his personal agenda. You're asking me my belief then again if he if he did a video. With kind of Talking at length about the situation, he would have been accused. It was a lose. Lose situation that he fully created for himself. Let's be honest this. Come on. Let's not when we all know who this guy's character is. I think there's no debate about that right. Oh, you know I? This has been my thing for a while I have absolutely nothing to say on the topic of Jeffrey Star and I I. Don't think I've ever really have don't fucking. Come out now when you are trying tight literally lasting, don't come out now when you are trying to deflect from the fact that you were a manipulative mother fucker and now suddenly speak up about the Buckeyes matter movement when it fits your agenda. It doesn't work like that. No, sorry, not. Taylor's name your video like I, literally it disgusted me I'm sorry like. Maybe, that's not true. I have a lot of things to save Jeffrey Star but I don't think any of them are. Worth opinionated right now, but. I agree with you, it was. Not a pleasant situation for me to have watched the video. No, it was. It was just I agree. Okay I. AM so excited. Holy Fuck. Is there I'm here. I'm ready I'm so excited. This is like. I am so excited. I can't go Julie. We'll see you in literally twenty minutes. I love you so much. Make sure to meet yourself okay. Go get a nice drink relaxed. Chill this. Yeah? I want to just quickly say because I. Want you to meet it, but I want to just say I swear if you guys are tax, you had believe US Isabel and I have not spoken about this. She watched the episode right when it came out. Both Beverly Hills New York. I washed them on Saturday and I started to text her, and she was like Emma stopped. Save it, so we have not spoken about one thing and I'm just bursting at the seams. Let's get into it. Okay Yeah I. watched them all live, just because like I cannot. My family basically is on my schedule now where we have Monday night below deck Tuesday night. Million Dollar listing Wednesday, night, Beverly Hills Thursday night New York, and it is like all day every day I am so excited for what's on at night. This week's house is specifically were. For me personally I know there's been a lot of like split. discussion on twitter were both a ten out of ten entertainment looks. Fights, conversation topics everything for me. It just I was entertained from beginning to end. Do Grande across America tens across the board. I couldn't get enough. I was I was salad. You should see in the voices. I was heading Grad Gretzky I'm not I can't breathe. In Oakland right? You're it's honestly even with my favorite shows. It's so rare that you're entertained from minute one minute fifty nine and I was for with both of these. Okay, let's start with that for listening. Showy. I-, dining never asked yet, okay, this episode was literally everything like skip the bullshit in first half. Whatever is great, you know things are happening the the party a kyle's house. Let me just list a few names for you. Some of them you may have heard of before. That made cameos at this party for the Children's Hospital at Kyle Marissa's has. Kim Richards Eileen Davidson Camille grammer and her friend Kimber. Who I think we've seen before. We'll get into that brandy motherfucking. Glanville Faye Resnick Adrian, Maluso Kathy Hilton. Corey Gamble and Kris Jenner. I can't I can't I can't like. It was it was one after other for you know. Listen and not even talk about the actual housewives. Comes in looking better than the next I mean. Listen during have I had my problems with the past. Yes, totally redeeming herself. Yes, when she walked in and address I was like girl. You showed up. Oh. My job is fully on the floor. For every single one. Yeah, they were there ever looked amazing with fabulous by the way as the daughter of my mom used a party planner just looking at it from that perspective, the money and detail in the piping in draping and the. fucking lading chandelier dance for led lights food that Kyle put into this party was like on another level like this is the level of class, elegance, and honestly rich that I wanNA seen every city. No else like. No because you know what Jersey when they do it, it's. From Jersey, it's just Gotti. This was not Gotti. This was so classy and beautiful quite frankly, if Chris wasn't as a casual, I could have seen this being a Christianity party, so not only dramatic to say no one hundred percent. I mean it might as well been so. Let's get into it like this party. Just had everything I wanted. It had all old housewives. It had the glamour. It had kyle's house. It had everyone dressed to the nines. My God first and foremost to me the thing that stood out the most that I just could not get enough of was seen. Brandy and denise interact so organically basically before we are introduced to this potline, because let's say you're a Martian. You don't have any social media and you're just watching this show like. Don't know anything, but it's those little foreshadowing of them being so touchy. Brandy like you know saying her boobs look so good and saying she wants to be a throttle people with her and Aaron. It's like Oh my God. I, it's so funny. You mentioned that because I was really trying to think about how I would have interpreted the scene if I knew nothing which was in today's age as physically impossible, but like if we really knew nothing I was wondering if we would have still been like. Is this. Is this just brandy? Being brand is? There's something going on here because. The Way Denise was reacting was different than normal. You could tell she was a little bit uptight. She wasn't fully comfortable. You know yeah, like she had always had one eye on either Aaron or the camera to see like world. War were they picking up like stop like not here, not in front of people. You know I don't know. Honestly. It's so hard to say whether root of notice anything because. Like yet. It could have been taken a playful girlfriends like brandy is kind of like that with her friends, but I don't know I. Just I loved every second of that. Oh my God renee, coming in to Camille and saying. Like good to see you. You're an asshole on twitter, but you know it's really good to see you know. When fucking calls it like it is more than Rena I. Just you got to appreciate it. You just have no matter what you'd have to say about her. You have to appreciate that. Because for all the people that come at Lisa like say what you want. This show would be significantly less enjoyable if she wasn't there she is. She was made for reality television. She is so much fun. That doesn't mean that you have to agree with every single thing that she does every way she handles the situation. That's not what I'm saying, but to say that she doesn't make everything. Significantly more interesting is just a lie in my opinion, a totally. I think it's a common. Thing across all cities is that. The House is all they say this repeatedly. I would be shocked if there's ever been a season that someone doesn't say like. Speak what you're saying. Say what you're thinking like. Be Real with me. Be Honest with me. Say it to my face like. That's what they all preach, and then when it actually happens when you have someone likely Serena really will sit. You know she's not trying to come up to Camille and give her this week. It's so good to see you. How are you look gorgeous and walk away like she's really going to be like? No, what's fucking? Address the elephant in the room that you've been an asshole on twitter to me, I've seen the mean things you've tweeted. Re tweeted favored about me like I can't just kiss you walkway. Exactly exactly I love it I. Lift for Camille was understandably blindsided. Let's be honest you out of the game for a little while she comes in. She's like this is not off to a great start, but I get enough. I can get I. Always has a fucking sidekick with her like she just always a best friend or a friend I feel like we've seen kimber before whatever last thing about this party I wanna say is when Kris Jenner raised her paddle to donate twenty five thousand dollars like I just like had tears in my eyes. I just love and friendship I. Love Her and say in Kyle and how they really have each other's backs in help. Christmas, light can do twenty five dollars the way you put suck in five dollars in the Sadaqa box at your temple like. I you know. It's about when you texted me this before. I washed it as you were watching your like I'm not gonNA. Say anything but I WANNA. Tell you watching. This episode is like injecting dopamine into my veins. I didn't fully understand what you meant. Until I saw Kris Jenner raised that twenty five thousand dollar paddle as if it was literally raising her hand, ask if she could go to the bathroom and class. It was the most casual thing I've ever seen nothing. I felt like I was watching. Somebody dumped their extra change into the What's it called the at Christmas when they ring the Bell? Yes, that's exactly how I felt You mean it was just everything I, couldn't i. I don't know I was salivating look. I don't mean to sound dramatic I know this is. We've seen these people before. We've seen these houses before. We see a lot more glamorous house on crashes. I don't give Shit. This was ten at ten. I. I just can't I can. What can I make one comment though I don't know you almost feel like what you you. What made it so special for me? If Alex seemed like an animal in the wild like we're so used to seeing Chris on her terms on her show with her family, like doing things her way, but like to see her out and about at like a real regular party that she's just at felt so good to me. It felt so good. I completely agree I also. WanNa say I don't know if you have this on your. On your list, but can we very quickly for like two minutes talk about the Lisa Denise lunch with the skinny fries. Oh. Yeah I just wanted to say I. I like lovely. Saigo, so hopefully I. don't agree with the way the Geneva's handling this spot. I felt in this particular moment that denise was coming at her not. Know it was almost like taking away from the rest of the women is like as my friend for a really long time and Lisa was kind of an understanding, so having a hard time getting there and more, so you know focusing at it from a group aspects, which I totally understand her frustration, but I feel like they were really misaligned, and that's why no resolution was was gone to. Do you know what I'm saying like? Denise was coming out of her like asthma than years. At least it was like this. This is how you are to the group, so I just felt that they weren't on the same page necessarily. Yeah, I mean I think there's like a couple of things I think. Denise probably values like the long. The longevity of the relationship and Lisa's like doesn't matter how long we've been friends. If we don't see eye to eye on something, I'm still going to call you on it and we're still allowed to disagree I. Think Denise also was using that to try and get a little bit of sympathy like. You you know do this to me when we've been friends this long which? Is Fair, but also sometimes it doesn't really matter how long you've been friends. Sometimes like there are people are better friends that you've met recently. WHO'S GONNA Other? She sees it. You can't listen. You can't hate her for if you like are doing that. You can't kind of differentiate when she does. Okay let's get into some real real time. Drama showy so. First, of all. It was weird randomly. All of them have birthdays within the same week. It's so crazy. I looked like so confused because it was like birthday post after birthday post for the whole week, and I was like what the fuck is going on. But basically it started with. Three it was therese's birthday in Kyle. Did a post for her. Let me just pull it up. Okay, so it a whole of her degree like all these rape pictures whatever and she wrote Happy Birthday Hoping this birthday brings you continued happiness in good health. Here's to celebrate after lockdown reunion, and when we're talking again and like a bunch of funny emojis. Andrews like Hi AL, whatever? That was one thing which was interesting. Kyle injuried are not currently on speaking terms that brings me to next point, which is that the Beverly Hills Reunion Zoom was filmed yesterday. And after it was filmed. Lisa wealthed okay. Oh my God. This is so much Oh my God okay? Hold on hold on I need to say this to you because I think it's important, so you don't foster. I'M GONNA. Say the same thing I said last time. Anybody who doesn't WANNA listen is already fastforwarded. I quite frankly i. don't give a shit if the of being an hour and forty five minutes or listened us, week. No I listened last week. Where like the highest we've had in two months. So you know what just let's time this this week deserves our mother fucking attention. If it doesn't we would, we would speak for the purpose of speaking yeah. and. You tell them girl. Okay 'cause. This is really good, so it was disgust and I guess rumored and Brandy had said she was one hundred percent going to be part of the reunion. So after the reunion wraps. Lisa puts her story in taxed. Reunion was bullshit today. I've never said that in six years I guess he's in desist work. There's been a lot of talk that denise has sent. Cease and desist to brandy. Brandy has said it all over the place that she's ended I don't know if this means that. She said Moore to either Bravo to the housewives, whatever so brand new supposed to be on reunion, and than she like was posting all this stuff. Officials statement about why. I didn't attend the reunion on my podcast. Okay, great, so we all tune into the back cast and this is what she says. Production called me the day reunion. We both mutually agreed that it was best. If I didn't attend. They wanted the other woman to hash out their differences without me being there had been there I would have been. The Camille of last reunion would come in at the end, and I would end up being the focal point, even though I wasn't a full time, cast member. The woman need to hash out their differences in air their grievances. And what what went on the season? As it pertains a fulltime cast members, I'm going to be doing a one on one with Colin separately from ladies. Wait. Can we also talk about when she was on? Whoever's podcast that she was on, and she was saying like you know I kind of realized. I'm getting paid a lot less than these women. Let them work for their paycheck. Wise, let me handle. because. It's the same thing like lot. They saw what happened last year. And they bring Camille in, and they just dump all her issues on her, and they are interesting issues, but like we didn't watch a whole season of you is going through stuff just to talk about this one singular pollen has the third part of the reunion. Be Only focused on a WHO's not even a housewife, even if it may be the most interesting story. Oh I totally agree. It's like can I be honest to talk about something that I'm having I'm having a little bit of an internal dilemma and I'm not sure if you are but I can imagine other people you know. Maybe it's like an again. We don't know exactly how this plays out I mean we know in terms of off camera going on behind the scenes, but we don't know what's going to happen on the show necessarily. Necessarily exactly like on one hand seemingly. What's happening with? Denise kind of wanting to shut this down right? We know that as as solely a fan like Somalia watcher. I had this mounting frustration like. Are You fucking kidding me? You can't do the most entertaining thing and then refuse to talk about it right? That's my one hand. My other side is like, but also this is her real life. She also is a family she also has. You know whatever it is a. she feels for whatever reason and she doesn't owe that explanation to anyone of like why she wants to keep it private why it's upsetting to her for her kids. Whatever she kinda said they went through enough with me Charlie. You don't need this extraneous dramas like I can get it, so there's a party that feels guilty for being pissed at her for not sharing, but then I understand it, but I'm like, but you're on fucking housewives. You signed up for I. Don't know I don't know how to. Write, so that's like the major discussion is that everyone keeps using the point of? Of You signed up for this that means like you share your entire life, which of course is true, but at a certain extent like you look at it like okay. Do I care about if the. Fans aren't happy with me. That I didn't do my job. Maybe this is my last season. I learned my lesson because I did something off camera that I didn't want to be discussed and I think I get like viewers frustration, listen of course I would love to hear all the dirty details that the end of the day. This is going to ruin her life in her marriage in like really affect her kids. You have to do what's right for you and I think she just gets in that fight or flight mode of. Like I don't give a fuck about the show anymore like whatever my responsibility to the show, versus my responsibility to my family, and my image, my real life and custody of my kids and my marriage. I think that's kind of the mind that goes into which like I can't blame her. You can't let them saying you can't blame her. Like I know, it's so fucking annoying for us, but like she could I get it. You know the counter-argument is like. Will you did something you knew you were going to be on the show like you? Can't. You can't only. Forward with the most. Controversial controversial banking controversial. CAST member of the show is not like. It was some random woman. That has nothing to do with the franchise. Exactly, exactly. Yeah. We'll see how that plays out. I mean listen I. I, at the mindset of like whatever you're gonNA to give me. I'm going to enjoy like I I'm always happy to watch any event and whatever we get, we will enjoy. We'll break it down. It'll be interesting and you know what I'm sure. We'll find out the details one way or another, because brandy cannot keep your mouth shut so. We'll see what happens. A. New York. McGraw, it's okay. Do we want to start with the? The Cameo at least cameo I do WanNa. Talk about the episode. Episode. Okay So this answer was like I would like to say the exact polar opposite of Beverly Hills if there is a spectrum of like their actual activities and behavior. Would you say that they're opposites? Absolutely the Beverly Hills we were watching a very pleasant, calm lead up New York. We were in the heat of the motherfucking drama. And Beverly Hills were at this glamorous six-figure backyard party black tie everyone's drinking paying the big bucks to the charity like. It's a swanky as against and in New York were at during the BERKSHIRES has which don't get me wrong. It's gorgeous, but everyone's in like they're drunk. sleepover Lux. And I honestly I wrote this down in the middle the episode because it was just I was having flashbacks to like sitting at the table in our sorority house after all getting background party and being so drunk, and just like the food in the middle ever so sloppy like yelling at each other. into makeup is smeared. The food is flying. No one knows that they WANNA laugh if they WANNA cry. That's what. What this episode felt like to me. That's a beautiful way to put it beautiful way to put it, and also you know the fact that we know there's nothing really happening at the Berkshires. There's nothing really happening in. Syracuse New York how much you when you are in that house. You are in that house. That's what they said. There's maybe a couple of mini bars. It's not like they're in new. York City so there are really together. It's like this intense togetherness. Togetherness Yeah and something I really admire about the New York women, and this has been a consistent theme like all the cast, even when they changed Andy His said this multiple times, many of the reunions is like their ability to kiss and make up after saying the most brutal and hateful things to each other over like a drunken night is absolutely mind blowing like the fact that Luanne given. She was obviously under the influence. The night before you know, they're drinking so much Roseanne like the funniest I love these cameramen because day no to get the B roll of them like speaking so fucking drunk and the new C. to render in her little, her gorgeous wet bar in her kitchen, like pouring a full glass of and you're like Oh. My God like you're going to drink more like it just unbelievable question. Question, not interrupt. You did I miss that it did. Land confirmed that she was drinking like did she break her sobriety tonight or did I? Miss that I? Don't know if that was the official break of her sobriety. Someone message me last week and said like no. Don't feel bad for like speculating. She said she was drinking and then when she ended up going to the hotel this night. And she. Called render the next morning. They were like you know what it was just too much. Rosie like battle due to a crazy night. And Luanne. What I was GONNA. Say What so yes, she I guess she did. Break What I think she may be has been drink a little bit I. really don't know the deal, but what? I was GONNA say was the way that they can like. Save the most vicious mean things to each other Lou literally storms out. They go out to a bar. She stays at a hotel and then during the culture. Culture the next morning and she's like. Let's just kiss a makeup. It was just a drunken night and she's like okay. Great I'll me while you're shopping. You're like. Oh my God. The bounce. Back is unbelievable. It's crazy and I love it and you know what honestly shows that like. They're actually friends. It's not just superficial on like they really care about each other, and they are accepting that they all. sleigh mean things and do things in the moment that they don't really mean. WELL NOT TO MAKE A. Sweeping generalization, but generally speaking, that's kinda difference in a lot of ways between New York, and La in the sense of like talking about these casts like. Not that not that a New York doesn't hold grudges, not that only does like they both have the ability, but I think if we're speaking generally New York can go at it like viciously and the next morning. It's kind of over wears tends to drag out in my opinion, a little bit more in La you know in Beverly Hills on site. Yeah, no! And I also think it has to do with like the the history of their relationships to me. Almost it feels like these women have been friends longer New York they kind of. Each other differently wears like Garcellano, Kyle, or not friends at all, and Garcia solely basis her opinion end like evaluation of her friendship with Kyle on a few very service level interactions, and then can be nitpicky, whereas like you know Giralda and Sonia Ramona been friends for like x million years that it seems a little bit like it's small little things that they don't care about. Totally agree, and also if I didn't say it earlier. I just every episode I will just preach this like. Ourselves the best night ever have beverly hills housewives she adds. Accessible side note, but I just say. Oh my God, only God and her showing up in that fucking glitter jumpsuit to the Party with that hot ass guy I was living for. She's having best side of life and everyone here with. All the other has like Oh. My God who is a sky like I. Literally Thought Doritos GonNa Leave PK on the spot. I know he was so handsome. I know I know there are beautiful couple. Okay? Sorry, keep going I, keep. You up so much I am getting so overwhelmed. Okay, you guys. I don't have that much else to say except that I am SAS with during this housekeeper len. She is the cutest little mush she's like hoping. Sonia makes her nipples aren't sticking out Colin Cowie. Being that's like very elite. shows her real. Like money and connections side of her life which I feel like we don't see that much of. Her old life with her husband, and she was positive in that social eighty circle of entertaining things like that, and so to have Colin Cow. WHO's a big fucking deal? Personally come to the House Cook dinner set the table like be there as a friend was really amazing you know. These girls like are not acting how you should act how he's probably used to like. Is Dinner parties acting but? What are you GONNA do? Now I know I just. I just want to quickly say I, don't I? Don't WanNa you know I I don't want to. If they're over, we can fuck and be over it like it's not. We're not going to be the ones that are going to graduate but like. Just because everybody else excusing Verandah and I understand they're doing it because they understand the type of place that she's in I will stand by this who has dealt with a lot of death in my life. Regardless of what you're going through. It's a make sense as to why you are acting out like that, but it's not an excuse, and it's I think it's. I go back and forth and thinking like. I get it and I think that they're being like a good friends. In the sense of the day recognized. She's going through a really hard time, but also that's not okay like you, don't you? Just because you are grieving, you do not get the ability to treat people viciously. It's one thing to have a little bit of a blow to be so mean the way she was to win. I, don't think that's acceptable. I think in my darkest moment of when my mom died, I would never have spoken to someone like that. You just. There's certain things that you don't get a pass for you know. Know what I mean. Yeah, and I think she like knows because to me. A stir renders contrast of sober and drunk is so stark. It's literally black and white, and I think a sober arinda would say too drunk. Durand like this is not a healthy alligator anger, and by the way some people are just angry. Drunks like I'm sure we've all had just like bitchy angry drugs in that does happen. That's fine to an extent but to use that as the outlet of your entire like grieving anger you know time of transition, outlive is so unhealthy and I honestly think she probably had knows. Like I think she is so smart and emotionally intelligent when she's all within two like self reflective like okay, this is not healthy. This is not who I am. This is not who I WANNA be. This is not the role model I WANNA be for my daughter, but sometimes I think in heated a moment completely escapes her and she it. It just gets to the best of her. Yeah no I and I get it. I understand it. I just think it's alarming as as all yeah. Yeah I mean I think her friends are. They probably too sensitive to sign anything. I guess about you know like analyzing her like that, but it is a really good point. Yeah This the cameo that shock the world. On my God okay, so let's start. Julie if you're listening, I promise. This thing that I'd like to really quick news points to hit on. We'll be done so. On what day was this a couple of days ago three or four days ago? If anyone doesn't know a cameo is quickly. You obviously shed, but it's this website where you can pay to have like celebrities, reality stars podcast hosts, athletes, all different types of people record a video a one minute video I like you your friends, your family like saying congratulations happy birthday, whatever so the house is a lot of them. Have it at least has a cameo and some girl Heather received a cameo from elise and nee I. Guess the prompt like you can ask what you want them to say happy birthday. Emma whatever they had said like. Give us the T on Ramona. Can we can't stand her anymore. At least video basically said like you think you can't stand. I can't stand her, you know. And Leah Italy's his house this weekend time in the Hamptons and Lisa's like you know you want to hear the reason that she says that she can't land a man like Leah Chimera. Come tell them. and Leah comes in the screen and says it's because she shits during sex. And only. Lia Lee. No, because we come to later find out one of the reason that remote claims that she can't find. A boyfriend is because she is the one percent, and she only will be in the one percent in that. It's really hard for her. She even was saying this of the dinner party on the show, which was so funny because it, it brought full circle the real time, saying on the one percent everyone Dayton the one percent. I can't a man who has less money than me. He's my home. We travel bubble. Blah like talking guys. You're off, okay. So Bravo historian post the cameo because everyone posted the cameo. It was just too good to. Ramona commented. There's absolutely no truth to this. These girls are blatantly lying to create fake news in order to try and gain their own fam-. It is very sad, immature and quite frankly mean girl behavior. The bows have They both have daughters and Nicole slain at Nikki's slain I. Guess at least his daughter is a family friend. What example are they sending? Data Dot that bullying is acceptable and Leah responded, but then deleted Okay Geriatric Regina. George Aka miss all lives matter. Don't worry about the example that for my daughter. She isn't open. Minded heart treat. All people were at the stacked. Doesn't see people tree people as quote less than seize every race religion sexuality as equal. At least was your actual friend parentheses no idea why you don't deserve release. Oh Hell no bitch. Owned by God then. Someone responded to this instead okay Ramona, but do yourself in. Did you see yourself in Newport? Ramona goes no dot. All cast members had problems because we parasites going to Carnahan. Yeah. Everyone had a problem with holding their bowels. is about. Seems like what I was like. We are in two D I cannot believe we are publicly witnessing Ramona to justify bowel movements. This is too much like I I got. I gotta take a step back. You know I know it's like you just you think you've seen it all then. Elise responded. Saying on the Cameo is actually referring to Ramona saying she can't meet a man because she. She is the one percent. The rest of the cameo was a surprise. AMAS never meant to be seen by anyone other than the person who bought the cameo, which by the way every was coming like Oh poor little elise like it's so your first season. You don't know how it works around here like we share everything. which did you do I send you Theresa's Kanye. She did today. I. Thought, circulating all my God. Theresa is. Someone Rotor Cameo in was like my best friend sleeping with her fiance's brother and he has Clemencia now. She has committee. Like what should I do and theresa literally without like breaking at all just like I would go to the doctor. Make sure you get that. Check Dow you know like beyond about the situation like during the. Like Cameo, the gift that keeps on giving because. They're just like yourself video. They'll say whatever the fuck is. On their mind. I saw that one. How funny was. Oh my God, I would crying. It was so funny I didn't think it was Reno. No, it's fully real. People just get these in their inbox in there, like Oh, my God. What do I do with this gold? And then they go viral and this pammy of if if the girl who got this cameo for Melissa never shared it like this was never. We would have never known this, or this is the thing you know. Debut at. I mean just the General Psa to any Celebrity Reality Star Athlete, etc on Cameo consider anything dude it not that it will be which you know, consider that it will be seen by the entire world. You have to know that while recording. You can't think that it's just going to their scipion. Have that in airlines are one hundred percent? So, that was absolutely amazing. You know everyone was just making hilarious jokes. Then because that night in the episode remote literally clogs the Toilet at horrendous house in I think she was probably cringing like of course this. Like in the episode after they're all talking about my fucking bowel movements on instagram like it's just too good right now it was. Only got him exhausted Julie. Necessary was that though I feel like I just lost ten pounds, like I've been holding in Mason's Wednesday and Thursday like waiting to just explode, and I'm so happy going to sleep so soundly tonight. I know you know you're like you're like a guy. Like hasn't had sex in two weeks. He finally comes in. He's just like only God. That's. All all week I know I'm going on Sunday on that midnight, so it's like okay five hours like. One less thing to say really quickly decide. On them for. This session about. Pregnancy women and how like incredible? What they what? They do, obviously Zhijie and everything. I watched Amy Schumer. Three part Docu series on Hbo Max Expecting Amy. It is like you guys. If you think you know what being hard pregnancy looks like you have no fucking idea, if you. WHO has resources? Yeah, no, she says that consistently throughout it like. The fact that I. Can you know get an IV at my house and I can be driven places and she can take off work if she needed to. She literally like. This documentary was such a great act, just a first step to like opening people's eyes into what can happen if you have I. Forget the name of what the. Her diagnosis, but like when you're just basically throwing up from day one of your pregnancy the day you give birth if you are sensitive to vomiting, I don't recommended, but otherwise it is so raw so eye opening, and like it was really brave of her to show that unlike incredible just to see how what she was going through how she recorded her Netflix's special in the midst of like basically dying sal yeah. Definitely? Go. Julie. That not literally Isabel laying. Thinking like American Guy Coming is talking about Bravo. That's the best compares ever thing. It's the. Ones. Yeah. No, it really is anyway. I love the Gada ULC literally fifteen minutes love. It love. Okay. How you doing welcome back what I needed that little break. Did you get? I'm so love you I'm proud of you when you are speaking so beautifully about anti-semitism. It's like we all have our thing and I just think that you convey a message so powerfully and I'm so proud of you seriously. Thank you? Okay guys. We've all been waiting for. We're going to get into the CAR GNASHING RECAP, and obviously the first thing that we have to talk about and by way when I talk about I. Literally Mean Just talk about because we have no information that you guys don't have about Addison Ray. Literally moving in to Courtney's house to her world, the amount of Hilarious tectonics I and I also want to start by saying like. Sorry I'm sober. Well. Give me a second. Way. She doesn't mean literally moving into her house just. No let me start by saying okay. Let me let me try to approach us a little bit professionally. So over the past couple weeks wanted two months. We have seen addison increasingly hanging out with Courtney and I. It was just her than it's you with the kids to be at the House and most recently this past weekend. They were seemingly in Malibu. Not sure exactly with all of the kids. Kendall was there. But you know, Shit really hits the fan when Addison posts a tiktok with Scott disick. Let me tell you something that was the Tiktok heard round the world to me. That was more impactful than her TIKTOK. With Mason I never thought. I'd see Scott Doing. TIKTOK dance. Definitely never thought I'd see him doing with Addison. It broke the Internet. It really secured Addison's place in his family and I have so many thoughts. Julie I'm like I. can't even express you. Make statement about this first things first. How do you feel what's your initial reaction a? There's two things that I have to say. The first being. The one. The tick that I thought was actually crazier than the one she made. A Scott was the one that she made like in the middle of the House that there with like the kids running around, and everyone walked out of the background, and it's just her alone Tuk Tuk in the reason that that one was crazier for me is because I, do you know the level of comfort? You have to have somebody to be able to do a tic TAC alone in their house without their involvement. The do you mean by that? That is so much comfort. One so much comfort, and to also so much comfort on the crashing part that Kim. Let me tell you something. North was not in that Tiktok without it being approved like let's just call. Let's just be honest here. Saying goodbye to get Kim's approval to put up one hundred percent. There's like I. Don't know how it happened, but she like bypass this level of typical security. They have an seriously from the bottom of my soul. I'm not like I'm happy for her. I think we're met with like two major reactions that we seem to be getting. collectedly from our followers, which is some people be like holy fuck, what is going on Mrs the craziest best thing ever, and then some people being like. Don't you guys think this is a little creepy and I have had so many conversations with my friends with you guys ever. My general stance I recognize Addison in nineteen in is like you know forty one I get. There's a big age difference I get that. It seems really quick. What I will say is. As? We know in Hollywood there is you know increased level of comfort when both are at a certain level of fame. No Addison is not as famous as Corny, but she's definitely on the rise you said fifty million dollars and Tiktok. She's definitely in the top five most followed people on the entire APP, and so there's already this level of comfort you know. She recognizes that like Addison, not fucking around here. She is a career at stake, etc. She don't out to get them the age difference thing again. The reason it doesn't feel weird to me is because it's courtney. Courtney because her friends have always been Fi. Harry Hudson etc I said this last week. You can't compare it to Kim or Khloe. Courtney has always been different this regard i. just there's a part of me. That just isn't as as shocked as everyone. Else's I'm shocked at how ads just made the jump like you're literally just a Talker, and now you're like in Malibu, the six and more power to you. I'm thrilled for you but I don't think it's as weird as everyone else does. Do Am I alone in that. No and I'll tell you I I of. Of the part that I find is nothing to do with the age and weird is even the right word I guess interesting is just like how quickly it happens like the fact that they went from like making tectonics, going out to eat to the fact that like they're out of vacation house on on the beach, hanging out. Addison's just there with them as if like. She's been friends with them. Their whole lives like that is the part that's a little bit confusing, and that I don't quite understand, but there's no judgment in that and I have to say in terms. Terms of people thinking into weird or people judging them or focusing on the age difference, the one thing that really put it into perspective for me, and I'm so sorry that I can't remember who said this because I don't remember our patron group, or if it box, but it was the best point that I heard was that somebody said I. Don't understand why it's weird. When Addison Courtney hang out, but when David Dobrica John. stamos hang out all the time. No one thinks it's weird at all, and that was the best perspective I think. Anybody's giving on the situation. I didn't even see that that's amazing. It's so true we spoke about. What we found, it was afterwards focus podcast that somebody said like Dave Logan John. stamos hang out all the time. I don't know why. That's not considered weird. If you're going to consider Addison and court in that the what is the difference? Truly will. And also I mean I know. She's not a sister, but At accord constantly concentrating out with Kendall with Kylie. They're the same age I. DON'T I. Don't know I'm just I'm not as. I'm more I'm far more intrigued than your average person, but I think far less weirded out i. just there's something about it. That just seems and I gotTa tell you not to sound like like so myself year meeting today there are nothing this is the case, but. There are some times when you just meet someone and you just have a soul connection and you're like we were meant to be friends. Not that's what's happening here, but it's not the craziest thing. There is a girl. have to just use the. Girl Hannah if you're listening who listens to our podcast religiously. Listening. Listening. Hi Listen repack s religiously like message us. One time she messaged me on. My personally didn't get into your for like a month. I ended up answering a never seen ESTER's. They're normally I ended up. Answering and we have become literally talk every single day. I feel like we were you know law kindred souls another life. I can't even explain it you. You were like soulmates, and it happened in the course of three days. I. I never normally do that. People I don't know what I mean. She lives in Chicago. It's not even like the something about our connection that like we were meant to me. I'm not saying that's the case with Courtney in Addison. But like who the fuck arena say, it's not. No I don't think so either and I think another really interesting point that comes into play a lot. Here is the whole idea of people being frozen at the age. They got famous. So like while we've you. Courtney is forty like. If. We're talking about AIDS. She got famous out. Which is twenty seven than like an her being kind of stuck in that place, and not in a bad way at all. I'm not saying she's mentally immature. I'm just saying that. There is a lot of you know fact in you know the age people get you know frozen out when they become famous. If we're looking at it from that angle and how? Addison's kind of maturity growth being skyrocketed based on how quickly she was. Put into the spotlight then that age gap seems to get a little bit closer when you think about it in just in those terms. Absolutely, absolutely, and I also say weird I too weird thing that everyone is so I think the the the Like the quickness of their friendship is is interesting I. Think I would love to know what they talk about like how they became so close, but the age difference is there is not the thing that I find. We are personally I. Think there's a lot of different friends in Hollywood and I think that in this business is. Can you like scary very lonely? And if you find somebody that you connect to, that can help guide you through it than who the fuck cares. How old or how young they are! Definitely the part of people that nobody seems to be talking about is exactly what you decide. According has been through swim in a way that most people have in Addison is experiencing right now. I'm not again. I'm not saying she's as famous as dashing, but she's experiencing that type of like skyrocketing growth so i. do think that there's a part where like courtney wants to kind of protector. She knows what that's like she wants to. Look out for maybe serve as a mentor I don't think there's anything wrong with that I. think is actually kind of warming. You know in in a lot of ways. I also think that Addison has a star quality that not all of them have, and like I mean a genuine star quality not of Tiktok Star Quality. She does Julie also I watched one of her lives when she was talking, and she was saying how you know she such an extrovert like to the point where? You know quarantine and some could argue. She was never really like fully quarantine because they've always been touting together but like. I I don't know. Like she was saying it's it's. It was so isolating for more than your average person because she can't not be surrounded by people like she really thrives on that and I think that. that. Now that that accelerates your fame, but it can make it a little bit easier. Not being overwhelmed by constantly being surrounded by people. You know what I mean like. I couldn't imagine like I value my alone time. I mean I'm very much extra. Value my alone time so deeply, and she seemed to not and I think that like that contributes to the growth the rapid growth because you can say yes to a lot more things when you don't need that time to individually detach, and so I think that's part of it. I think there's so much there. Her parents being supportive whatever it is. Just like. This is so knocker, national related, but like this really fucking pissed me off. She posted. What is kind of conditioning relate? She posted a video of her dancing in a bathing suit. It was at their house with Malibu House nobody was in it except for her, and she fucking comments on her own take fort like right after she posted it being like I know I'm bloated like you don't have to comment on it like. Please comment on it. You fucking watch this video. This girl. I was. Doing that. I'm just saying like I. Hate the fact that she felt the need to do that at and that's what I'm saying I know nothing against her I hate the fact. She felt she had to say that. Because if you go to the comments and you really scroll, of course, there's the thousands that are like it's so fucking that she has to say that people would agree with us, but then there's plenty of they're like. Wow, look in a little bloated. It's like. Are you kidding me like? The willingness that people feel to comment on other people's bodies anytime, but specifically publicly I like it makes me sick. I can't imagine being her like I can't imagine that I none of the same to me would be worth that that like intense I couldn't I couldn't. Person couldn't handle economic either I mean. Any of it. Is there anything else he wants to say about the Courtney? Addison situation before move onto rob and close interviews. Nothing other than the fact that they look like they're having the time of their lives with that whole group. And I also have to tell you it was. It was Simon Hawke was there with his fiancee fill and. They look like they were having so much fun and I have to say like. Simon. We've had the pleasure both we've the pleasure of getting to know personally and. I really trust. I really trust their judgment of people's character like they are really good kind people and I. Don't think they would just like to Addison if she sucked. You know what I'm saying like clearly there. Is. An end also I think that. If you're listening to this podcast, you obviously care enough in no silent enough to know like him and I think that you should all take. take comfort in knowing like with absolute certainty that is good of a person as him and Phil seem like that's exactly who they are real life like they are just genuine. Good people I can't even like say anything more than that. No like yeah, really unbelievably so okay. Let's how chloe of sorry long. To our sort of sorry. I can't Julie you know something, I used to be so apologetic, but then the because the nicest. GM's I. Surely If you don't like something, they can just fast forward, you know. Yeah exactly fast forward. I I. Really don't take any offense I totally get it okay. So. chloe to this interview address Silvester Adjusted fucking killed at ten ten got a lot of information so on rob she said quote him and I have always been so incredibly close. He's he's. At things a lot. We just always respect his privacy. And he just was feeling himself as he should. At my birthday, he was fine with US posting a flick of him. He's so handsome. He's such a good person and I just love him. I love that he's getting a positive response gassing him an him more. It makes me feel really good and confident. That's all I want for. My brother is to feel good about himself. And she then told people he's filming more. We're filming more within our homes. He is right there with us. I'm excited for everyone to see that he such a good person. I'm just happy. He's coming back around camera a little bit more. Help me! I know I'm so happy that he's traffic i. feel like no matter what you think about a person like all you could want for them is to just be confident and happy. You don't have to like them, but I that at the very least. You should want that for them. Yeah and also like watching. How Happy Khloe which I'm sure is a reflection of the way the rest the family feels about this is like very It's really beautiful to watch. Like route went through it and again he fucked up bad. We have we have called him out. Repeatedly that being said he did go through in terms of like a self hatred that he felt and the fact that he's feeling more comfortable just makes me feel so good like for our sake, but also really for his sake, but our are. votes. We were not gonNA live. We're not going to sugar coat things definitely both, but like yes. Also in our interview with Justin shoes mattress in and she said we're doing a great job, and I'm really grateful that we're able to talking about co parenting I. Come from a family that you know my mom and Dad. They would have dinner once a week and my Stepdad and my mom play golf wants to be together so I come from a family that just because people aren't together doesn't mean you have to be rude or out of your life you share children with them, and you want to kind of have this blended family. Some just use to that. I'm sure it's so weird to so many people. He's been so amazing during this quarantine has been so helpful, you know when you can reliance on many other people's help. It's so great that you have like. Essentially. He's your partner. He's truth at out more. Like. As if we you know, we knew that you know nothing new. It's only knew her point in saying that was to emphasize the fact that they weren't together and like I. Believe you. If you want me to believe you all, believe you. Right of Lear you do I. Do I truly believe it? No, but like for your sake will I absolutely. And the last thing she spoke with Justin was kind of just came in and Courtney's fight and she said like. They had it out. That's what sisters do you know she was like? We're not used to physical confrontations, but clearly they had to get that out of their system in were closer as a result. which like it's not that we didn't know it, but it is nice to hear her. Say it because listen Khloe that mister clean on that wall at the site I will never get out of my mind I think she was traumatized is like the rest of us, so I'm glad to hear her from her perspective that she thinks like actually had a positive impact. You know. Yeah, it's a little release talking about Bravo. Is there anything else in the world's anything Kardashian anything you want to mention yes, but only briefly because I. don't WanNa get into it, but I wanna say I just WanNa say before we end because I think people would be annoyed if we didn't call touch to the whole Kennedy thing that. My thoughts this week are the same as my thoughts were last week. I can't excuse or ignore the things that he says I can't. Justify them but I also think that there's just no way that we can ignore. The fact in the role of mental health is playing in S. And I think that? It's just. To me, it's just sad to watch just sad to see I. Don't get enjoyment out of it. I. Don't like I don't I don't know. I don't think anybody should be getting enjoyment out of this. You can judge him if you want. To. I, can't stop you. I think you'd be angry at him if you want to. You have every right to be, but I just don't think that we can ignore that. We're watching something like very sad happening before our eyes. That's all. No, I totally agree this. This literally broke as we were recording. Which is why we didn't have a about it, but you're right. There's not even so much say because our thoughts are exactly the same as last week. The anger is that anybody may feel an ourselves included totally justified, but also like. Is this clearly someone that is in the middle something very serious, mental health, wise and I just hope he can get the help that he. Needs and I also hope that the people around him and. I'm not saying that they are, but can contribute to not kind of an eight. Is the word I wanted to like enabling this behavior because it's. It's alarming. It really is and I just. I just It's it's sad you're you're absolutely right. Yeah. Okay well guys. I love the fuck out of every one of you. I'm so grateful for this. Thank you. This was such. A release I know I sound like as well, but it really was. I just. I don't know I'm just so happy. This is so great! Julie, we're so lucky. We are so lucky. You guys, you have to understand. We wait every single week just to talk about these things and again I say with visa feel like you're here. When I get messages, saying like we feel like we're here to I'm telling you. I WANNA. Do till we can no longer podcasts anymore because it makes me so happy and thank you to everybody listening just the best. Thing ever were so lucky. Love you. We'll see you on Thursday for bonus. Show season two episode one recap.

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#1449 - Bryan Callen

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Today and Brian Cowen learn the INS and outs learn how to lean forward navy. Seal instruction as well how to hold a pistol trailer. Yeah I love it fun right. I've been doing it in my head forever. And your head doesn't really work. Because I I've rehearsed killing a gang many times sure. Lean and when I go like this. Don't you shoot him in the knee and rehabilitate them? I think because they don't have any targets if they just a bunch of little tiny targets on the ground I hit. I don't like because I'm like what am I shouldn't say they're the size of a toddler. It's weird I'm like all right so I gotta kill the toddler with one shot kid with a missile i. I was pretty accurate with that. That's kind of sick but Yeah that's a good idea. I could either waste them or wing them wing them and then take them in and it's teaching error of their ways the end. There'll be loyal to you. I tossed them an herbal an herbal remedy. An herbal rap like Steven Seagal had that one movie. Where is in a coma for ten years? Who's kicking everybody's ass a couple of days later I don't care says that she was factual well. Do you remember that movie very well On. No no no. You're way out of line. Well above laws the first movie. Yeah this was deep his nurse Yeah. He already gotten fat by this time. Hey that's where he ran terribly. He always runs terribly but in the early movies. He was skinny above the law. He was skinny but then by the time we got this other movie where he's in a coma forever like like his fingers. Moving he's waking office actually wasn't too fat wasn't too fat. He looks great there but he'd already you know starting to fill in his hair and so then he was in a coma forever and gets out of the coma remember. Starts doing all sorts of Chinese herbs and shit become a Ba-? I'll say he was pretty skinny back. Those early in the career he heals himself would throw them an herbal rap and tell them how to wrap it and then say training begins tomorrow and then you wake them up yeah they may have full Q. Fuck you fuck you and I'd be on horseback for no reason really. Why why do you because there's something very masculine you have where you're on a horse? It's my entire it's direct. I I just had this there a couple things I want to do before I die. One is two toss somebody in Erbil rap and say training begins tomorrow. Or be there tomorrow and I want to rehabilitate at at risk youth. But they're like twenty and then I want to Rear up on a horse Harir opponent worse but I want to appear out of nowhere rear up on a horse and rescue a group of Women in the Wilderness. A group of Women in the Wilderness whether they in the Wilderness for they got lost hikers. They were they're playing went down. Nobody got hurt but it skidded along. Lake Down Glue. They said we fight. It's impenetrable and then you go and they go fuck false attach. Feci fetch the man panther the man. That's my new should have Do you know about this guy. Name is Dick Prone ICKE and He was a guy who lived in Alaska by himself in a cabin that he built for decades and he moved out there when he's fifty years old he got tired of life and just the way everything was the fast pace of modern life. So this guy decided this guy amazing videos on Youtube. This guy built his own house out there in Alaska of fashioned logs. There's like a video of him doing the whole thing filmed everything filmed all of his interactions. With animals birds would come and land on his hand and he would really. Oh yeah he was you he literally. Is You split and STOIC? Yeah by himself and wrote me STOIC and real solid area and you know real measured with his words of course and everything you WanNa be and he would sit in every night he would write and he would write about his experiences and the deep satisfaction than he got off a living. That kind of a life doesn't make some amazing videos pulled one of the videos. You Watch how this guy's live his life out there but you know he would only see people like once or twice a year when they would drop off goods and things that he needed but this guy was you know. It wasn't a spring chicken. He moved out there when he was in his fifties. Wow Yeah it was say. He had ten ways back back with his brother. I want to say in the early two thousands somewhere around that looks like sixteen millimeter film. That's yeah I'll duty lived out there for decades like I said. Yeah by himself and know your shit to be out there by yourself. Well I think most of the you learned once he got there and he talked about. He talked about what the experience was like about. Just you know learning how fatigue in his to hike learning. How fatiguing is to gather up your own firewood. And he made most of his own tool right there. He's making a mallet himself drill drills a hole in it with a hand. Auger and then he makes his own peg and he only brought in tools to make tools and the big tools like that he made himself and mazing do. What did you live on? Just deer meat elk meat deer meat berries. He got some oatmeal and stuff. You know some dry goods that he would. He would get in large coming in touch base periodically. They would come to him. People would fly out to him with goods cat but I mean he built all the ship by himself. He built his whole cabin by himself. And he documented every step of the way mazing. His name is printed P. R. O. E. N. N. E. K. E. Dick Prentice alone in the wilderness is the whole series on Youtube. And he's on the side of a lake with this this cabin that he built live off of animals that he hunted and firewood. And you know whatever food that he gathered. I'm obsessed with this now. Is this corona thing called me with my pants down. I want. Here's what I want. I Want A. I want a substantial cabin made of thick logs or stone and then I want it near a lake or a water source maybe preferably a well era gate. My own crops crops. I need chickens Zilina Guard. You don't Cry Issue Garden was it just you yes well. It might be me and my my several several friends. My Lady Friend. Because I'm going to start my own colony so I have to breed you understand. Okay I need I need a lot of hair and a beard dyke because I wanNA stay looking young. Whatever they come up with something that reverses you an age. Now you're talking my language hold. Do Jason Clare will actually have a cabin on the side. He'd be right next to you experiment. I'm GONNA have his fucking lab and I'm going to be as Guinea pig. Yeah you'd be the guy. Yeah David Come out come on out. And with all the girls. He kept while he's not into that he's married man. Leave him alone all right but he'd like to come out. Hang out in Powell round for a few days fun guy. He's he seems like a good guy. He's a great guy he's brilliant and he's brilliant in the field. That's very important. He's what do you mean you're getting old. That's right yeah that's right. You WanNa be Dick Priebke. We had to escape your your wilderness again. Old couple of things. One more thing I want to do is I'm going to split worst shirt off while I have women. Watch me through the window of my log cabin as their baking me a pie and I know this is a chauvinist fantasy. It sounds like don't worry you selling Real Chevron the other thing I wanted to I wanNA have a horse. I'm so attached to that I can go and it just shows up so like Brad. Pitt's pit bull in once upon a time in Hollywood correct. I kill for one of those. The pit bull was fucking great. That thing just fucking knew what to do when to do it. Yeah yeah they don't use cops I heard. Don't use mastiffs even wireless because let go. Yeah they don't like to let go. Then you've got a major lawsuit and bite your fucking. I was watching a fucking video of a guy in San Diego got arrested. Cops and COPS couldn't get the German shepherd off his arm. The German shepherds clampdown guys forum. This guy is screaming in their pulling on the dog. And the dog's pulling on the talk you don't pull on. They were an indie. Shouldn't choke in the dog. Apparently they thought this guy was a bad person and they were letting his dog chew guys arm up and you get permanent nerve damage. I mean it's just devastating to the tissue and your four. I've seen video of it where I said the COP shows. Why didn't that guy was this giant Awol? He May Wall China. He used to be a special guy and he just went crazy and they let that dog loose on cops by they. Let this this wolf. This far can't wolf loose and grabbed the dude on the top of his army. A huge arms like Brennan shop like big on grabbed grabbed the guy and the guy just in the middle of his craze. He looked at the dog and then just went day. Frozen went down and I said why. Isn't he punching because because you shut down because when he bit? That arm arm went numb. You can't use. That aren't the Hain. Oh the excruciating pain German Shepherd. Biting your arm. Yeah Oh not good or real wolf that will. That's you can't train them naked self a problem. Of course they're not interested in listening. They're not getting a wolf to attack fucking peep out of a wolf and I'm talking about timber. Wolves not people. Who is Mr Mountain Lion K how that works Mount Lines versus? I'll tell you exactly how ready the wolf dies really. That's right have you ever seen it. There's a video of it first of all really. Yep adversary by the way wolf. Trust over at mountain gets under that under the old the neck and by the way got his whole town with those claws. That's right they have claws and it's more athletic. It's one hundred fifty pound hundred and forty five hundred hundred pounds. Good luck with that. And there's a fight so low they don't need a bunch of pussies you know they go fuck in low like a lion. There's no and there's no sound is a great video of a water. Buffalo charging a lion a male lion and the male lion literally waits until the water buffaloes closing the distance then ducks under and grabs a hall of it by the neck and just hangs on. Yeah wow actually might not have been a water. Buffalo might have been something else like a cow some some other rugged animal is a rugged animal. I forget which animal was to animal makes a rush at the line. Like hey fuck you in the lines like no fuck. You Thunder one of the problems. We have a game reserve. If you have a proud alliance you're going to pay so much money keeping that that reserve stocked because a proud lions goes through. You know crazy amounts of meat every single day every other day so they will decimate. They'll go through a whole herd of Buffalo. Well that was an issue after the dentist. The dentist shot that line with the name. Yeah remember that line was T- so and then Do you know that they were worried? That ceaseless brother Jericho was killed but no worries. It was a line. That didn't have a name so so close literally. I read an article that were being serious about that swimming sears. A real concern that ceaseless brother Jericho had also been killed but turned out not to be dragged as if it's the real lion king anyway when when they killed that Lyon when the dentist killed that line will they then after that had this this thing this international outcry or nobody wanted to go there and hunt lions because they didn't want to be the next guy that gets targeted dentist so because of that they had slaughter a large number of lines of finding out how they all? Do you have any idea what it is to sustain? The number was crazy. Something like I remember. It was fifty or five hundred. Yeah but it's like they had to kill them and instead of getting fifty thousand dollars per lion like they're accustomed to getting when bill because they have all these lines the lines of decimated the population. Of course there's no one was killing lines anymore. It's like elephants so now with elephants. You can't move one or two. Elephants have to be moved as hurt otherwise they go nuts right so they're the females ruled the roost. But you can't just take like a three elephants from that heard and move them over to the you gotta take them all otherwise they really get fucked up. Yeah they love each other. They love each other. But then also when you call elephants which you have to do in Kruger National Park and things like that because they get to destructive. They'd just get too many of them and they just wait. Lay Waste to. The vegetation becomes amount. So the problem is that they were like you can't helicopters anymore. Gbs whatever because you know that's and they would kill the whole herd because you can't just kill a couple right because they go and then they can't do anything with the ivory because I retrace illegal correct and then they store that so then you make you Jack Up. The price of ivory do the same thing with Rhino Horn. But but so what they do is they. Try to sterilize. The females right. They'll try to good luck with that. That's a lot of fun. Yeah that's really difficult to do as well you know. They're trying to do that in the Hamptons. They're trying to do that with deer. They're trying to give the female deer. Birth control just can shoot dead loads into them. Shoot the deer all well. That's what they should do. Yeah I mean but they didn't. They decided for whatever goofy reason that what they were going to do is try to give them birth control and they were going to spend countless amounts of dollars to get birth control into deer. Like how are you going to? What are you GonNa? Do you know how many there are apparently? It's their infested out there after watching tiger king. What is your take on keeping tigers? It's ridiculous first of all. I only watched one half of one episode. I had a pause pause Jamie now we're getting an A. D. I V. Drips which is pretty fucking amazing. What does that's the stuff that David Sinclair was talking about? Letting anti-aging O'Brien might be a little cheap. It's expensive yeah. Yeah Cross costs a pretty penny. I WanNa live forever okay. What's afterwards okay? I don't know I've done two and I feel pretty good. You feel any different Jamie. I could buy staff feel pretty good inside. Yeah but it feels like the second one really took it over the top more energy. I feel like really vibrant but feel great. But it's hard to tell. What does that mean? I'm sleeping eight hours a day. I'm staying at home with my family. Not Traveling on the road. You know I mean it's like how sure this is it but apparently scientifically provable lengthens. Our telomeres decreases your biological age. Wow It's been proven David Sinclair said that any D- Hgh and there was one other. Dhea those three things in combination returned to reverse your biological. Yeah crazy so we're try- I'm like look while this shit's going down. I WANNA keep my immune system at fucking tip top. Magoo joy would say tiptop greatest ever but it's just one of those things where there's you know there's a few different scientific advances that they can absolutely show that will decrease your biological age and show that there's an increase in your vitality your ability to recover all these different things so I'm getting into law that well. The tire came back to that. Two hundred twenty seven tigers as pets. They live in a fucking cage and And then he had chimps chimps should never be kept in a cage. I'm not funny by says. Yeah I think so I just don't think should be If you're if it's a professional zoo like San Diego and I agree minutes disturbed at least get to see them at educates. You know the general population but when you've got ten thousand tigers as pets you know. I don't know management remember my bit from triggered two thousand sixteen. I loved your original tiger. Bit Tiger Tiger greatest bits ever make the argument for two tigers. Fucking was one of the greatest bits ever. You should do it you do. It's on. I don't think that that is raising. You should do that bit. You should revive that bit and you should. You should tape it and you should put it out there. It's let me say it again. I've been I know comedy Dunes Longtime. It is top three bits of all time. The very nice of you but it is. I think it's might be on an audio recording. Ma Is there was a first time I saw it on. I'M GONNA be dead someday. That bit gets destroyed in Audiovox. GotTa see the fucking visual. You have to see the visual dude. When you're making the noises. That was the first bill that ever did where I realized like. You have to kind of become the thing. Yeah like you gotta become thing like I would make as they try to be me still but then I realized oh I just got to become like tiger fucking. That's what I love about certain beds like for me I. I just think about having abusive father who was a piano teacher. Don't ask and I talk. His Moustache Moustache belong bristles was so thick they belonged on the back of a born romance knows and I go into this whole character and I love to lose myself into character that English English Super Villain. Yes I just fuck in. It's so fun to get lost in that character because you could think like that personally. Must be the appeal of like a guy like Daniel day-lewis or of course you know someone who can really encapsulate. You know they do something where they become that. Yeah they become that they're not you know in some people never do that. They're always acting like. Oh here's that guy acting in a movie I know who is yeah there? He's acting and then some people. Just become Jeffrey tambor. Who's won a bunch of Emmy's for transparent? He said that he for him. It was about shoes. He have to figure out what kind of shoes he'd have to feel it. I in his feet. Which makes sense when you wear sneakers or you wear leather soled shoes. You feel different. You're not as secure leather social as you become more formal when your toes are pushed together. You know when you're constrained like that. It's a weird thing thing but it does change you. Yeah you can't even move good. Shot soled shoes if slippery correct so if you see people I can tell a lot about somebody by their footwear. If they're wearing sandals typically. I can tell you what they're politically so those are those are those are dad sneakers. I don't give a fuck game over and I do what I want. Joe Rogue Check Shit. Now I know what they are. What are they? They're trail run. These are Salomon's they're excellent shoes. I know all about 'em because I see that we were going to go hunting with Rinella. I know all about those traction. They're awesome says tread. Yeah so if you'RE GONNA go up like slippery terrain this gives you grip. I'm all I'm trails Bro. But also you're like I don't care I'll just wear this. Also there's no shoelaces so I like this. I sent him title. Put It in here very easy. I tuck it in their She'll go to the airport with these onto you know there's never get all those never getting caught. Brian Count. Nope I'll do it. I don't give a fuck. No no chance. I showed him Tim Watson. You almost threw up. Yes I wear these all the time. I can't handle it. I wear the Tux. But when I if I'm doing anything in dirt there like a middle ground between wearing a boot you know like if you're grow wearing hunting sometimes those I looked at those found a lot of guys in elk hunting in particular. Because you're so mobile you constantly chasing these massive herds and you're moving around going through come out hunting with. Never Been Elkins. I need to urban to me. Well I have plenty of meat for you. I have the meat for this. And you've seen me shoot. You see me how targets just just a couple of hours ago. You seem like you were born for it. Now that I get down as part of your plugs in I was radio. Get down also you have a you say things in a in a way that only people around you can hear you have the right amount of projection. So the enemy. Never here's speak cryptically Andy stuff. And he's down for me. He wants to see what kind of tactical asshole I am. Watch video shirt. Cleared cleared. Hockey was on last night. Podcast I love him. The best the best and he had me like look at like different movie scenes and breakdown. What was wrong. I was wrong. I was completely wrong about everything I thought I thought that when you shot a gun with suppressor it was pretty loud. Pretty that you've never shot a gun with suppressor. I HAVE ACTUALLY IN UTAH. But it's loud. It was wearing earphones. Yes but it's nothing like a rifle like when we were hunting in Prince of Wales. I had that gun with a muzzle brake so loud. Yeah that's a seven millimeter remington ultra. It's a very loud that's outside it can hurt you. They say they save your to close. You can damage is permanent. One hundred percent. Yeah my one of my friends There was a guy who Shot near him shot to close to his ear. Some he was. He's a guide. And this guy apparently like went to swing. The the animal was close by like he's here. The animals close bar something something happened. Were shot really close to his head and blues years out now has a hearing aids. Damn yes we're hearing AIDS. 'cause you're you're that rifle. That trigger is so sensitive Oh yeah the ideas. They don't want to pull in hard but different people have different theories on that. It's the same with archery with archery Some people like a very sensitive trigger and some people like a trigger that it's very hard to pull so that you you can't just jerk on it because you have to pull Popo Bang and then it goes off when you when you shoot archery. It's very interesting but you would think like say if you have a restrict with a trigger on it you would think that when you draw back you go like that. Yeah but you to use your fingered hit the trigger. I actually don't some people. Do some people actually can do in shoot campaigns does it that way should very well that way but campaigns is a psychopath is the different human being most people. There's something about that thing. That starts a Flinch Anticipation Flinch. It doesn't with him but some people they get called target panic so they get away from target panic. What they do is instead of pulling the trigger. You wrap your finger around the trigger and the trigger stiff and then you use your back muscles so then you aim and you go like this you just pull with your back muscles and it goes off without without you even moving your finger So once I would hook my finger on it my fingers in place and then I'm just pulling in a pop. It goes off. It's nice yeah is a is a crossbow does have more range. Crossbow is basically shitty gun in. It's just get a gun. Yeah what are you doing? You're not an archer. Now what do you do when you gotTa Shitty Shitty think you walking dead you do? Go to motive ds this whole walking dead things so fraught with peril. First of all. How come there's no pass throughs? You're shooting into these mushy Zombie heads. It goes right in there. Why hasn't blow out the other side? Yeah it would. Wouldn't it fuck? Yeah would blow through an elk. Really yes percent. Those things are going fucking five hundred feet of SAC. Which is why I told Hanney's Tom they should. The Special Forces should have a cross divisions they should not the should not but also these doesn't even have real tips. Those crossbows easing field tips. It's basically a pencil point. It's like poking you making a hole in you gonNA kill you. Oh it's what I mean those crossbows not GonNa kill you. What those tips on it. It's a little hole. It would make a little hole that will go through you and you buy seal up. The wound is that true. Yes so you could shoot me with a crossbow. Was One of those arrows fucked up but you would live But if I show you my heart yeah that would probably kill you but like one of your lungs. He'd probably live. But if you shot someone with a crossbow that had a real grat head on broadhead with slice you wide open like a Samurai sword right near your whole body got. That's what it's like so easy to kill. Why are human being so easy to kill well because we're smart? We have nuclear weapons nature balances. It out right. Turtles are stupid as fuck. That's why they have that. Awesome cage over their whole body true. That's true and that's what it is. Yeah look there's a balance to things and we respect that balance and we also we want that balance to exist in everything. That's why we see a hot girl. We wanted to be stupid correct. That's why people get caught with their pants down when you think a hot girl stupid and it turns out to be very intelligent. Perhaps more intelligent than we speaking of that. When I saw that we met the director of John Today yes and he's a handsome athletic. Look and Fella. He's a good looking guy doesn't look like a director used to be a stunt man. He was a kickboxer guy. But he's he's used to be canneries stunt double. I guess down but I looked at him and I was like well. This dude looks like a stud. He's kind of like a Silvery Fox. He's getting older like my age but I thought to myself guy looks like a real athlete. It must be You know you definitely fit while fuck a big director. Yeah he comes there and shoots all the time part of the time they twice a week to. It's such a great thing to have and it's also really fun it's like you're shooting medal targets and everything but it's it's fun it's there's something it's the same thing with archery. It's the same thing with a lot of stuff you have to focus on you focus and then you execute and if you do it properly there's like sort of the meditative aspect to it which sounds crazy to say that shooting guns earplugs on very medicine. Yeah there is the because because it's like anything else. I like getting comfortable and familiar with things that scare me getting comfortable and familiar with violence. I actually do what I mean. Yeah because whether it's hunting whether it's boxing whether it's Jujitsu I like I like working at those things and putting myself in uncomfortable positions because when you go to a shooting range like it's your first time like with me with that kind of tactical thing. It's always going to be a little uncomfortable because you're the new guy you don't know what the fuck you're doing. You don't know how to magazine. It's it's going to be mechanical and and this is going to be a process but there's something about being in this strange location with that those loud that you can become very familiar with and pretty soon you get good at that. Shit and now. You're now you're actually. You don't look like a complete idiot. At least you can kind of start to you. Know be familiar with that language. I think that's an personally for me. I think it's important it's important to. It'll definitely make you less scared There's one of the weirdest things as watching. An altercation breakout and then watching men get scared. Like men who don't know how to defend themselves or men that are not used to being around violence. Getting scared that's right. Yeah and that's going to happen is exactly like getting punched in the face of you. Not Boxing getting hit. I promise you I don't care who you are when you get hit. You Usually Get Jab. What you're going to do is you're gonNA look down and you're gonNA bring your hands to your face. That's what you're gonNA go shit or you're going to do this or that. And then you're then you're yeah and it's not until you really practice. Whatever it is that you can see and I'm not saying there but that's your at least less apt to less likely put yourself in a position of danger. You know exactly like what you Jitsu right wants when you grab somebody. What do they do like grabbed? Boxers have never had any rest and CREPE box spit banana they turn they turn their back or like I was. I'm sure my friend. He's a great box about showing them. How vulnerably with even idiot like me grabs him grabbed him? Took him to the ground. And I rapped I put a body locker on his body and what did he do he we stand for my ankles and I just wanted to see what happens. It was so why I think it's good just to learn because it's difficult and because it tests you emotionally and physically and and even the shooting stuff does especially because we're around these guys. Who are you know turns a real world class competitive shooter? And he's showing us the stuff and then we go to do it. It looks so awkward. Goofy like when you put yourself in a situation we suck at something. It's really good for you. It's good to suck at things and try to get better at them anything. Whatever it is whether it's learning how to play chess with its whatever. It is learning how to do some. You learn how to play tennis. Whatever the fuck it is when you learn how to do something he's sucking it first and you have to concentrate on getting better that thing of getting better translates to other aspects of your life and it's a skill getting better at stuff as a skill. It doesn't mean that because you're a mindset. Yeah but it's it doesn't mean too because you're good at archer you'll be good at learning how to play the piano but if you can get good at learning how to play the piano you can get good at archery because there's a thing in their learning how to learn well that's that's learning how to learn. A lot of times is as simple as once. You learn how to do one thing. Well that's why one thing informs the other. I think what happens is if you're in a new situation like we were today you get better. At least I'm better at getting out of my own way. Yeah you get better at not overthinking. Get better relaxing. It's the same a lot of times. It's the same body position. It's the same weight distribution sometimes. It's it's very similar like a lot of these things have similar language but mainly there also a similar mindset and you just put yourself in that softer that softer beginner's mind that idea of kind of like you know. Just just don't just open up. Open your mind and just just let it come well. It's also accepting that you don't know things a lot of men in particular a really bad at learning stuff because they all they want to think that they know already so even when you tell them stuff they wanna think they know. Yeah I got it I got it. Probably because men are natural problems. I have a joke about that where I say. I don't know anything about cars. Nothing but if there's a woman on the side of the road with her looking at her engine I'll make suggestions and it's and I've done that I'll be like well. Check the spark plug well today with engines. You Good Luck. No one knows what's going on in there. You ever see what it looks like when they opened up a brand new nine nine nine to two thousand twenty Porsche. The hood pull up opening up the hood on a two thousand twenty Porsche. It's the most ridiculous thing ever really have no idea what aging is. You know like you have no idea what's in there. I have no idea anything you get you. Get this much of a view. Why the end? Oh yeah the the view into when you open up the Becky as a rear engine car porsche was most probably one of the most sophisticated technologically advanced cars ever built right. Because they've been refining the design since the nineteen sixties pop up the rear trunk and look inside the engine. Or it's not truck it's the hood whatever. Look inside the engine. You don't know what the fuck that is to fans you see to fans. Jeez let's see see see to fans. She's what's going on there. I don't know better ticket to a place with computers. We need software two hundred much India. You have to literally. They have to plug a machine into it with which analyzes the system and then the machine's GonNa Handle. This is Fox. And that's fucked and this is falling apart. When are they going to do that with people? Yeah so really. Yeah you have inside Info. Well here's the problem. Once the first guy gets his legs cut off and gets awesome. New LEGS PUT ON. Then we're going to have a real problem because people are going to take all that. Or Legacy Rogan better legs. I can't wait till I get to call in. You're eighty get new legs dude. What got him cut off? I don't mean Joe's fuck off like a Turkey leg pop. Got His poem off. Put some new ones on there. Well I mean we were talking about this guy. Did you see any photos of it? I found a video and nothing was new at all really old old. It's a nine nine two Porsche. Nine nine is the two thousand twenty model if nine nine two Porsche under the hood. All right what Gitonga Porsche. You should really. Police have been trying a begging you for near. I survived a real car. Yes I mean. I have a tesla. That's a real car. Yeah that's that's new for you to say I love you still drive your love it here. Driving ozone great car. It's the fastest thing I've ever driven by far. I have a bunch of sports cars to make a lot of noises. Like they'll let guys who put like fucking headbands on weight lifting belts and then some girl who's across fitter goes right next deadliest twice the weight. That's what the that's what the Tesla's it's it's soft and subtle in twice as fat. I Love I love your whatever that is Land Cruiser. Oh yeah the grants. Toyota's yeah it's almost drive really well. Oh Yeah. It's got a supercharged corvette engine and Oh okay. That's that's a side section of the car though. Yeah that's different because that's actually there. They cut the car in half so that you can look into it. I think that's actually even artist's rendering it's okay. Jamie we're never gon