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Land of Hopeless Tories

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Land of Hopeless Tories

"Hello and welcome back to remain acts the phone consulates holiday to seize control and get things done. Under alinsky joining me a couple of alberic named Smith is the CEO best for Britain hymie how you morning the end of Summer Durian Harry. Plus the only thing you'll morning in that south. The latest thing that. So in the weightless Sally Collier of call resigned. Gavin Williamson was nominated for an p. of the year award by the Patriots on. The nominee as the People's choice award include Jeremy, Corbyn and Steve Baker, do you know what this award is and who are the people doing the choice thing? Just, don't start me on this. The tone deafness of all of this is just unbearable. So. The award is run by a charity called Patchwork their charity that claims to want to strengthen our democracy. I really. I don't claim to know anything about their other work tool, but this annual award having nominations for people like Ivan Williamson. Surely in delegitimizes a lot of what else they do in stand for and I had a quick look at their website that says that cool believes include the young people have the potential to shape the president and define the future. Williamson. The Grim Reaper Review University prospects Gavin. Williams said Let's all live in the past people like. Frank Soi are among the Bustinza society who can help shape that prospects. They're just get get into see getting. To, a long list of Boaty mcboatface isn't it? Also with us is editor politics DOT CO DOT UK in Hallowe'en. Women. So. This. Week's cultural fabrication was the row over the BBC's fictitious plan to drop land of hope and glory. Now James. Cook. Obviously nonsense James Kirkman spectators suggests that the not this nonsense appeals to sort of Johnson's hack mindset. Do you said, you think that having a former journalist as a PM means you get more of a click bait government you get more application than it moves from the mail. You know actually to you to number ten do did that's part of the way that he thinks. It's a bit of it right? Because he doesn't see the need to talk about any of the other things that have happened over the last two months. You haven't heard anything from him on the level stuff for the face moss in schools or any of the other policy-orientated things. As soon, as as a fucking coacher war issue up fucking POPs jabbering away about it. So obviously it it. Obviously it is. It is a spectator article waiting to be Richard Right. You know this is the kind of thing he would have been writing about he goes comfortable with it. But also there is a structural element to the way the government operates where it is on as part of its electoral strategy. Targeting precisely this kind of values issue. So even if he was this journalistic about it, they would still be jumping at it. I I mean this like looking at that debate was like you know that means of Dr Manhattan when he goes to Mars. And of you know he's just I'm just so tired of these people and little lights I mean anyone now even like fucking brains Oh, and even. A trace element of integrity must feel that time. They see these debates come on. I'm so tired if these GOTO dimwit fucking ethical slobs with their Dick Measuring contests about patriotism that if I see them talk about one more time I think I am going to have to go back to bed and never return. So. If you had to invent a story about the left wanting to ban something, what would you choose the maximum irritation or it's fucking it's fish and chips isn't it but that's all this left I mean we've done. We've had ruber. Tanya. We had forty towers over the summer. Fishing chips this left at some point it will come towards the end of light. The brexit chats, right what people really find new raid is that British finish and actually that fucking away in Iceland and once that happens if there's any untangling, there's any sense that at banning British warships studying fucking exist in the first place. But there's gotta be fish and chips. Maybe. We could as a kind of Kronenbourg strategy to get rid of its opponents, we would just do it with fish and chips go for the culture war hard and just see if it makes fucking brains explode and then maybe we'll be right. Maybe everything will be fine for that. I've done with I mean just let fish so they care about. It's About Ready Fish I guess this week is many Rahman writer broadcast and public affairs and campaigns manage the Joint Council for the welfare of immigrants were. Many, how are you? I'm good. Thank you. Thanks so much for having me as a pleasure. You had an walkable on the BBC this week talking about the death of see Denise migrant I blue fatter Hamdullah the anchor Simon McCoy asked you. There was personal responsibility involved. Now I assume he doesn't believe that personally do you think the something wrong with the discussion of the issue that this is even a kind of a sort of reasonable devil's advocate position when these stories are being covid. Yeah I mean that was an incredibly hard question. I was really shocked by it although I think if you watch the clip back, I seem pretty calm but there was definitely a lot of internal screaming going on. So I think the worst thing is when she looked back on that day, I, did a number of interviews and I don't think that that was the hardest question I actually got through the day I had quite a few journalists like really try to dehumanize what had happened. So skip ahead three steps in the conversation and ask me how we should deport people faster and how we should. Introduce more detention rules and all sorts of things like that. An I think not really is. Who's all of many many years of politicians and some of the media don't dehumanizing migrants demonizing them and trying to use them as a bit of a scapegoat for things like. And funding cuts and and actually not recognizing boys actually happening to people on the ground and that's a real tragedy tragedy. I think really is a big problem that we're even forgetting that some one has has died and the young persons died and that they're trying to get to the UK and there is no way to do that safely and we're just talking about the conversation we're talking about in reedy in a really far removed way it's not reflecting what's actually happening on the ground. So you'll basically in a position because it's the idea of these interviews, the style is like on the one hand, there's an on one hand the other using this sort of center of this conversation is so far in one direction the that actually when you're doing interviews about it, you just have to kind of. It takes quite a lot just to sort of drag things that should be in the weather center really should be in this. Absolutely like the the narrative is so focused on sort of border control in taking back control that that's where you're starting the conversation you not starting the conversation on isn't it really Saad that someone has died and how can we stop this from happening again, you starting it as as this and is inherently Baden a problem for the UK. And we need to we need to find a way to make sure no one. Else can get in and when you're doing those interviews, it's often the battle just to get the idea out there in the first place at these are real people with once a needs and family and friends and people who love them. We'll be looking at the refugee crisis with many later and asking if at the end of the summer scandals, Utans Burs, Johnson is finding the job of governing just a bit too hard. Before that quick reminder of our next live zoom for patching backers on everyone who's got a ticket for a live show at Leicester. Square theatre which had to be postponed for various reasons. The Lives Zoom is on Thursday twenty, two September eight PM. So patron backers, what you inbox found to register. You can join us for an evening bliscoll compensation political drinking games trying to read the panels, political bookshelves and questions from the. Claudia's if you're not patron back a yet and you'd like to join, you can sign up for as little as two pounds a month. So it's patchy maniacs to find out more. Also, we can announce a rescheduled date for the live show. It will take place Friday the twenty first of January twenty twenty one at. Leicester. Square theatre. So yes, there is a reason for us all to carry on. June. Besley is governing too hard for Boris Johnson and his pals the government's efforts on. Brexit. COVID exam results in the schools have left a lot to be desired. Now, the PM is back from holiday and taking charge of schools. He says in order to restore confidence, but does he absolutely inspire any? So there's the actually want to govern will just look like they're governing and what does it mean for Boris? Johnson say he's taking charge of getting kids back to school shouldn't prime minister generally charged. You didn't get the sense that. You did use to have an idea that the prime minister was probably sort of a couple of grades above the level of that secretaries of state incompetence and inability, and you'd even have that you know someone like Theresa May. Even have it with someone like David Cameron, you know these figures I admire very much but you still saw that there was a distinction between them being away and then coming back I mean we abortions and you just don't you just like. I mean that made in his image, right. There will selected on the basis that loyalty rather than competence. When he comes back, it doesn't mean anything to. The only political implication I think because I certainly is in any kind of organizational implications and there's nothing that would that would reassure you that things would be better off if he happens to be handling himself the political implication is he has to own it a little bit more. It's harder for him to distance himself from it. So now, I mean given what's happened with a levels given the stuff around moss given even if you go further back, the promise kids will go back to school before the summer break which which they failed on the now making sure that it works with kids going back to school at the start of next time is this sort of quite is growing into quite Tamika issue for the government and the more attached to it. He is the more personal damage he takes from that not taking place. and. We've seen him all summit. Do you think that this is a political solution to let others take the blame or Idaho? No share the wealth of government. Or do you do you think perhaps there is to do with his his sort of recovery from covid nineteen and that he he just wasn't. He just wasn't up to it. No. It's I don't think it's either he's just fucking Lazy I. It just doesn't want to be more interested. And this and this. It's This stuff. It's. Celebrity. Have people wanting to be famous right like not started or people told me when I was a kid that has started from my generation ninety. You'd say what is it? You want to do when you when you grow up and then like, I, WanNa be famous or she I set my younger Quezon at Christmas he was I wanna be an influence. Which is the updated version of that like I want to be a celebrity I want to be famous and it wasn't I wanted to. Be Very successful at writing or music, or acting, and therefore be famous. It was I want the bits that come with it rather than the content itself, and that is basically what Boris Johnson is with governance like he just wants to do the governing, but he doesn't actually have any idea what the fuck it is but you know he doesn't have anything he wants to actually do in government and again that's not really something you can lay at the feet of any of the a prime ministers in my lifetime I've from arguably in this seems like a really unfair comparison arguably Gordon Brown who had. Just spent. So long wanting to be prime minister on the tiny bad that he forgot why he wanted to do it by the time he arrived there. But for Egypt Mesa them wanting to do with thing and bars doesn't really WANNA do thing he's not really interested in a prime. Minister Khandu he simply wants to be the prime minister. So here we are living in his fucking wheelhouse. One of our Edison reminded us on twitter this week that one of us on a show had said that he's just so much more enough with the idea of being prime minister than actually being the prime minister. So. Yeah. We we call it. The important relatable. Sometimes, it's more fun to be invited to a party. That's right. Sleep Goto the parts. As an example of him, not knowing what he wants to do. We had a u-turn masks for school children this week, secondary school children, I. He was against them. Then Nicholas Sturgeon said they used in Scotland which may Johnson say that he bring them in if medical advice chains medical advice did not change but there's an outcry from teachers. So then he changed his mind and said, yes, mosques this is my famously wrote columns in favor of both leaving remain. And then chairs leave at the last minute is this something? To sort of fundamentally indecisive because this does not look. You know you think one thing you'd WanNa do by Mr Sort of project strength and resolve. Generally not no. I think it's slightly different isn't the there's two things. There's scientific guidance as far as we understand it and it's always changing. You know even even with Vice Mosit- is legitimately changing urine international whatever your, and then there's the government's assessment of where public opinion is up. And the government's actions a based entirely on that latter category and they do this very well with have extensive USA focus groups, Po of internal polling that very very in tune with where they think the public. The public going to be that much lesson to with us on civic advice I'm and you see that over and over like I mean it's not just like with the World Health Organization. We took him out if you look at the reports, the Gavin Williamson ignored on levels now from six weeks four weeks beforehand. He ignored those Commons committee reports he ignored the things by experts to him directly, and yet when you look in another area, you look at planning, for instance, the government plans on planning taking almost entirely from policy action I mean they're almost copy and pasted from Policy Exchange's Oh papers. So essentially, then not listening to guidance the presents problems that doesn't play into exactly what they WANNA do. So then things happen we're looking at the guidance three weeks four weeks five weeks ahead of them having to do a u-turn you can. Spot the it's it's almost like you're fucking back to the future. You can. If you read any paper by scientific body or public health body or even a think tank, you won't be able to predict what the government's Utah will be in about a month's time because they will proceed to ignore that people then say you should it. They won't until they start seeing public opinion own corona virus is actually very reticent is very concerned about and then they will flip when they've got proof of the public opinion change. There's not. Arguments system it's it's pure pragmatism an and and it's the progressive left don't do so well, they will double down on an unpopular policy decision and try and believe hardens and sell it more whereas the Tories unless it's a very, very mission critical thing like brexit they they are perfectly happy to you turn onto enter, take the hit for that because actually they don't see it as being a hit and they say as a you know a bold move and one that their base thank them for having accomplished Jesus moment over. It practices them it doesn't seem to be hurting to. Tell my practically drag Johnson out of his Scottish tent and Into the boot of a car and drove him back to London. Is. This isn't a permanent declaration of hostilities or just a shot across the bows. What's to male playing when it does just turns on the Johnson like this. They have been slightly more critical. Of the government recently. But I don't think it's got that much to do with wanting to hurt him. I think it's this sort of permanent performance. Johnson where he goes away for a bit and then he has to come back and sort everything out. You know it's it's charade a FRONTENAC because that's what he's good. Dot A numb. SIS tedious pattern they now have on repeat goes off forbid ministers caulk something up. He eventually comes back saying some golf like he's now -posedly taking charge of the mass and will be well because Bach. And then the next stages to then fire and sometimes quietly rehire a senior civil seven or. They might an AB-. Or abolish a government agency or department or together rather than socks the failing minister signal any kind of medical whatsoever and I I'm just so fucking bored of it the whole also out if you want a job doing property vantage, just have to do it for yourself. What what, what, in to the prime minister and I just think that's what we've seen again this week with with with all of this. Choice of Dante there. Apply to Johnson many justine greening thinks the exams crisis is going to be Johnson equivalent of black Wednesday Albatross around his neck. So the rest of his term that people be able to look back and go oh, you know his administration was was never the same after that. Do you think it will have a? Fact. God, I think is really hard to tell whether that's right or not. I mean I look back at the last few months and there's been a whole cluster fuck of mistakes or Utans, and I'm points at which you fit. You would think that people step back and go faces the moment. This is the moment when people can recognize that he's not acting in the best interest of the country or you know he's disappeared for a few weeks thought to be. A got to be the moment when his administration is is clearly failing, but it just don't know whether that's happened yet. But why do you think is interesting about the the exams crisis is the the young people in students had an incredibly loud voice in the political space increasingly. So in the last few years on the incredibly well informed a lot of them were unable to vote in the last election and has been impacted by this fiasco and I don't think. That, they will forget aren't when it comes to the next election and I really don't think that their parents and their family members will forget it either, and so even though young people aren't necessarily the tores target market if you like I think that will come back to bite them. In the next time there's an election you know Y- similar thing happened to Nick Clegg Lib Dem's over tuition fees and I think students and young people have a lot more power. Than than the Conservatives account you recognizing. So I think that it will it will be a real turning point and we'll have a direct impact on the next election and labor are one of the reason opinion polls only two points behind the Conservatives. The right wing Pressler said not huge fans of Johnson at the moment. So do you think the scaremongering Iva refugees was was a bit of red meat to throw to the base to the to the timing of it? Seem largely political. Yeah I, think a couple of things she happening. So I think we just have to recognize that every year during August during city season people like Najah fraud like to turn their attention to the channel you know the weather is good as crossings. The news cycle is slow and it sort of any excuse for for Brexit Tin right-wingers to talk about you failures and borders and how scary migrant saw. Actually. Happens is that they draw the government into this game of cat-and-mouse where the government doesn't necessarily want to talk about the channel but ends up having to do it anyway. So they don't lose voter base that's that way inclined but then I think they also take advantage of the predictable nature of that conversation and what they do is they sort of get up rally up so they can look like they're taking a. Really. Strong principled approach when everything is falling apart behind them it's it's manipulative misdirection I. Thank you know they. They know the conversation is to happen. They know that they're failing at this point in time on a on a huge number of issues as a pandemic going on. So why not use that situation to their ever advantage and and try and look like that Johnson thing whilst also scapegoating migrants at the same time the. Johnson's goal was to get exit on. That was why he was elected I'm God even hearing now I'm still getting fucking horrible shivers up my spine I. Mean we obviously, we continue to debate what getting exit done a means but the next set of goals anymore defined this of this vague idea of leveling up this sort of civil service reform causing public health. England. But this isn't exactly thrill mania. Lebanon up stuff isn't I mean obviously, it's not based on what they actually believe in Ohio any interest in it it's again just electoral strategy, right? Like I. Mean The assumption is that we see space hit the spaces we will shift slightly to the left on economics which I mean. Current ivars makes it very easy because the only respond anyone used has been left wing economically I. It is worth occasionally we we might just take a bit of time to keep on reminding any sort of laissez faire economists you know. No one's talking about letting the market decide anymore radio to like. Keynes's. The only solution for fucking anyone. So you go left on economics and you grow down hard into the right wing sort of social stuff around nation and things that I mean that again, it's now there's no point thinking this is what he wants to do. I mean golden knows if if underneath that golf. There is any real conviction narrow tool on any subject I I I honestly don't think there is a it's one of it is an electoral strategy. So they're Lebanon up stuff is real in the it isn't electroshock chief. How do you keep the red wool seats? That's the assessment and really what they WANNA do is get on with it and get pasta coronavirus to to try and deliver on enough of it that they can shoot themselves up in twenty twenty-five but let's Into thinking that is because he believes in any of it because that is completely irrelevant to the way this administration functions. To this, listen every now and then to report, he claims to care about four people. It's traditional. It doesn't do anything namely, there's a pinch of salt story in the times diary with Dominic Cummings father in law. Has. been. Telling people that step down in six months due to health issues and then he did. Much needed. He has sort of enough ambition hubris maybe even talent at want to inherit. The throne of Shit at the end of the sort of covid winter just as heartbreak, it must be no deal breaks. It is kicking in he wants it. A God. You're so right to highlight like the shit thrown. Oversee besser Britain's so economic impact assessment of that double whammy of unity. Kerner session on a very hard brexit is truly horrifying in united starring winter flu season flood, second wave medical show changes, futures, ges, school closures, and be forgiven for seeming that they literally Honda the keys to number ten straight to Tom Themselves. I mean it it's. It's really interesting when you say he wants it but then. You. So I think the talent and and capacity. Than it becomes much harder question to answer. I think the current cabinet minister, the An icee this bloody got begrudgingly the takes all of those is probably goes, but I think hunt probably still fancies the top job and probably couldn't do us any of the current cabinet lot because they are. Awful I mean, there is very, very little brilliance in covenant. So who actually does have the? Who? Can You understand why they're in government. I Ms Moore you just go this person has like some kind of missions. Why would say you know the Cummings get? Definitely come. Pretty Potala sort of get evil plan. I sort of understand why she's there. I mean he he also to? Do you actually get may not agree with you mentioned g-o-v there. Are May not agree with what they believe. And I may want to stop them but I least respect that they have a kind of ago of the traditionally associated with different government. I mean I think that's the problem. This current Conservative Party isn't like one we've seen before in just touched on it with the whole sort of. A less on economics much in a more socially conservative can those issues than we for? Several rounds of conservative administration on holding together. This very odd coalition in the one hundred go English negativism to shore up on on the other part of the coalition under the Conservatives are the British imperial. On. So you see things like the refugee crisis reaction is being red meat for for the nativist, and then on the other hand you appointment of people like Tony Abbott on Australian being brought in to distrust on the trade advisory group as being a thing that's meant to shore up those much more. British imperialists on a hawk backs they stays vampire many finally. It put on the spot to say something nice about a conservative put. But is there anybody on the on the Front Bench Mamiedov the very front line that may be kind of a little more blade radar the you do the way you say that that thing I'd I'd agree with you but your there's something going on is there any anybody that sort? into a respect from the current crop. I I I would have to say probably not really I mean it might be unfair but you know there are some conservative MP's who we work with on certain issues. He do take very principled approach to certain bits of migrations. For example, David Davis has a really strong and principled approach to ending detention and I can I can of agree with his rationale behind not he's done enough work but in general at no one really strikes me as someone who. Could get through this crisis and through this pandemic and would have the charisma. And Fair approach to policy that is the first time in three and a half years someone of his Polka said something is Davis so. Now I. Could regular. Spin Amerique on like Hong Kong, Vienna's, but then definitely know sewn in A. People that come from middle, East and Africa. They're really. In clay off gay when fall between. I will say out. Amid distressing signs of refugees in the channel, pretty potatoes making the inevitable tough noises about strong borders. But with Britain's final exit from Eve mechanisms fast-approaching is dealing with this issue going to get a lot more difficult many when the UK was in the year. It was subject to something known as the Dublin Regulation can explain what that is. Yes, Oh tried to do this in a way that that simple and easy for people to understand because I'm sure you can imagine e you processes are quite complicated, but essentially, the Dublin agreement is an e you wide agreement, which determines which country has responsibility for looking at someone's assign him application. So it's based on this principle of shad cooperation, and they're supposed to be a number of criteria that assess which country is responsible for about person, and that includes things like family ties or relationships but more often than not the criteria that you hear about most often is the entry criteria or the fast country that the person entered into the EU so often. You the country that is determined to be responsible is the country that the person is entered into and I think this is where it gets confusing. Honor just want to be really clear about something because it comes up quite often the just because the EU has the system in place doesn't mean that you have to apply for silom in the fast same safe country that reason illegal requirement to apply for some in the fast safe country you enter notch lead. The way that the UK go by using not bit if the Dublin system could actually be an is actually quite country to to refugee protection. So you know it's quite a complicated system that is used differently by different EU. Depending on this sort of political inclinations. So it's flawed in itself. Yes. Absolutely I mean I think that there's definitely room for reform in that system, but let's just have an example. So you know in principle what should happen is let's say you enter into Greece but you've got close family in Germany in Dublin system should allow you to get to Germany for jam meter up processor asylum application and you to get on with your life there. But in reality, what happens is the EU member states use the returns criteria more often than the family one. So you have the system where asylum-seekers making their way to their family members or to to country that they feel they would be able to build a life. On those member states stop that system. They stopped their applications in return them to to another part of the EU that they can that they say they've entered into a that's obviously mostly places like Italy and Greece, which already taking the largest number of people or so you've got the system of cooperation which is actually being used in that way. Actually, the UK government has taken the most advantage of that situation because clearly most displaced people are not entering the UK is the first country, and so what we often do is is people get here in them. We just immediately use the Dublin system to return them somewhere else in the. Because I mean a lot of people who sort of a hostile to refugees. They're thinking it's all about. So to safety in the once you're out of your. Country that you'll fleeing It really doesn't matter whether you're in Britain own or Greece or Italy in the because because you're sort of because you're safe. Airing the tree in a win in these ethical treatment of refugees obviously safety from persecution or war is a major factor. What are the other What are the other factors are the are taken into account senior as is really valuable and y? That, it's not just sort of acceptable to leave people in the first place they they land. Yeah. So I think you often hear this thing from people about. Well, you know. Fronts is a save country in an. Ex countries safe and they should just stay there Evan but I think what they're doing is really simplifying what is actually happening to people on the ground so I mean. Most people do apply for asylum in different. EU countries. Like France takes three times the amount of salt that we'd that masjid on we'd we're taking very few. So it's just a small proportion of people who was sort of trying to get into the UK. The majority of those people have family and friends here have existing community here. Maybe they speak English more often than not they come from countries with historic colonial relationships with the UK. So they you know they have a connection to this to this country and have a reason to want to come here and as in the case that happened last week when. The young man died he had actually had his asylum claim rejected by fronts. He was he wasn't trying to get into the UK is his fuss country. He had been rejected by floor disarm system in front. Some was was left with no options. So again it's it's you know we have to take into account who these people are and why they're traveling and we don't often do that because we just narrow them down to two numbers essentially an how does Britain compare to other countries in the you mentioned the France is you know flawed system and rejecting claims. Is. Britain one of the one of the worst one of the harshest lease cooperative or is it a fairly widespread? Yeah absolutely I think I mean the UK has very specific and fundamental problems with the asylum system. We have some of the most draconian treatment of Zaandam seekers. So you know festival, we don't have a safe and legal way for them to get into the UK that is fundamentally different from the rest of the EU in some ways will. The same week that someone crossing into the channel you had forty five people I'm dying in the Mediterranean. Chunk to get into the new in the first place. So those problems to solve replicated, but the UK's is particularly harsh. The ROB possibly to brutes maybe three routes to get into the UK safely, and that means that people are often pushed into the hands of people, smugglers and traffickers, and then once they are here, the system is so it so harsh to people I mean I can't really describe the experiences of someone who goes to the asylum system but you know the bud and of Pref- show that you're asylum-seeker is really really high and you often have really detrimental impacts for lgbt people who asked to prove that they're. Gay or to to prove what kind of relationships they've taught. We. Often refuse in countries immediately as just a high really high threshold for which countries. Redesigned are not safe. Any more people than we have this whole system of of deportation in which? We decide that people are not asylum-seekers. They don't have proper access to justice because legal-aid is incredibly hard to come by for asylum seekers, and then we just deport them to countries where I potentially not safe. We don't track them when they're afterwards. So yeah the really fundamental problem Sierra in as well as all the things like you know signed him seek is only get the chief that seven pounds a week to live off asylum accommodation has been shown to be absolutely appalling. Really inhumane conditions on the fact that they're not allowed to what while they're while they're claims being processed. So yeah, the UK has it as. A particularly bad system in place a narrower. There are other countries which have equally bad systems, but I would say the artist is notorious for being one of the what asked namely, the brings it party currently on a split two percent in the polls wind does Particu seem to be taking garages lead on this aw all the conservatives in fact, just sort of exploiting him and using him as the as an outrider. I mean I think this is pretty similar to you know saying in the last segment about this odd coalition, the Conservatives failed they now have to hold together I think Farush is never fall from your reemerging and reigniting bliscoll party. So I think it is very much about them wanting to shore up all of these English nativist. A making sure that they stick with the Conservatives and I think this is part of the problem that Labor has we often talk about on this show is that some of these redwood voters that have switched away from Labour to the Conservatives the danger? For the Conservatives isn't that they make Iraq to Labor is that they may go even further to the right. If they are disappointed by this government and You know. See. That red meat those more nativist an incredibly say she conservative Voters so Yeah. Yeah I. Mean I think just while I'm on that point I. Have not. Really touched yet, but I'm I'm pretty disappointed by the underwhelming response from Labor on this certainly from the Shutt- cabinet precale has actually been fairly. Sound on on her interventions and that on the left of the past, you have people like, Clive Lewis Narnia widsom. Making making good interventions but the shadow him sex sheet Nick Toma Simmons Stop Short of the government over this and he had pretty mild. I'd say relatively mild statement about the government lacking compassion incompetence on this issue and. I think I think that's pretty sad to see a but you have groups inside Labor during more on you've got open Labor the Labor campaign free movement and momentum themselves civil. Quite, Bissett pressure internally on the leadership to take an angriest stunts on all of this but as yet we haven't seen that. GonNa wonder about the two percent of people who is still supporting the BREXIT party? Sitting sitting home fiercely downloading land of hope and glory. Stuffing housing out stuffing fiction ship since their mouth. Taking away. They just holding out for like seat in the House of Lords based. It's all the faithful that didn't get bridges. In last year, the declared the refugee crisis, the beginning twenty. Tens So. Is What we're seeing at the moment it is that deemed by you a new crisis, a win new phase No? I. Mean. There's no never was a crisis in. No in terms of what's happening for the new and there isn't one now. Like I mean at the height of know in two, thousand fifteen, now we're getting about three hundred thousand people now sounds like a lot right but you're talking about an entire continent if that burgeon was shad. On the continent then there was no reason that Neville of of of intake could not be handed because remember, of course, not order the movie granted. Refugee status what it required was was a bit of how about him but instead we saw I think I talked about this couple of weeks ago you know the condom while there was some sort of vulnerable examples McCoy. Letting people, we fundamentally continent except the narrative from Victoria. Band of you know this is a part of needs to be sorted and adult. What was essentially a security responsive essentially trying to push the offshore the problem predominant needs to Libya into Turkey now. The continuation that we see is that there are of countries experiencing war experiencing society breakdown experience me collapse in a let you look at the gration observatory looking where the asylum-seekers to the UK from it's from countries like Iran and Iraq retrial Stone Neha. Things Great. On the response to that is like one of those really tedious sort of. Pragmatic practical, long-term liberal responses of from first of all, you have to make sure they're safe passage for those who need to fleas and violence. But then you need say what is it that we can do in these countries? How can we help these countries for these kind of flows do not replace in the first place with these? No, it's not either southern sparks of crises that are happening. We have an unstable world we are affected by other countries when things for the partner countries it, this is the result of what takes place many finally just on on this sort of technical. Aside, what will reduce withdraw from the you mean the treatment of asylum seekers and would there be A. made a difference if they you left with a deal all with no deal. Yes, so I mean at this point in time, we just don't know what agreements will be in place last week the EU rejected the UK's proposal to to stay in Dublin I mean I think you know the the EU disingenuous that we want to leave the EU but but keep the bits that the benefit us in the sense that the government likes the bit that allows them to not take refugees into return them to to other parts of the. I mean realistically whether we are not we with the do makes no difference because the U K still has international obligations to take asylum-seekers to take. To assess their claims, it's just about how we will cooperate with the EU and that could be an opportunity to be a lot better but doesn't look likely under the government. But I think the one thing I will saints last week the government indicated that they want to put in place a new they're calling it a fair borders bill, which I think will be the furthest away from family it could possibly be but bats the place where they will try to realign this system. And make it more difficult for people to apply in the UK they will probably frame not around what happens with brexit whether or not we have a deal and I think they'll use it as an excuse to to change the asylum system essentially for the West rather than than taking opportunity to reform in a very practical logical ways that that they could do. So I think you know it's all up in the air at the moment and we're just waiting for more details from the government and from the negotiations, the government will do the right thing. Hello. It's other Harrison. The Sahara. 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So he is misogynistic him a phobic he thinks climate change is made up. He jokes about people that have committed suicide. He's fundamentally incapable of grasping even extremely elementary political ideas ads. When interviewed I remember seeing once he got caught out saying about the death of an Australian soldier Shit happens when interviewed I would encourage anyone to look this up just look up Tony Abbott complete emotional breakdown. On Youtube and you should find interviewed about it. He just suddenly fell into silence wouldn't respond to questioning and started nodding his head like some kind of broken toy. and he does this is again with looking up when offered onions seemed to instinctively try to eat them including the skin as if they were an apple. So even on Very Academy of life invokes, he's completely unable to understand what it is to be a normal human fresh less than famously. Well that is a very ten in comparison. So given the those root of his qualities. I, think you can see already what would make him so suitable for job with this government on Brexit because of course, we have on the other side is he believes brexit and there we go. So now he has that job nothing we can expect from him the level of quality. And sophistication that he demonstrated when he was in Australia name, he pines brexit until it happened a which point, he suddenly became big Fan I'm sending out the moral fiber that we expect from a Johnson appointee is there anything you'd like to add to this? Rogues Gallery of traits ends offered. In St Louis Right this is such a Trumpian move to hire him because he is a sexist He said Oh straightens should vote for him because his daughter's a good looking he's a musset homophobia campaigned against same sex marriage. and. Is All of this really about. it reminds me of a cult. T. Do when you realize that everything you're critics predicted comes to post which is looking increasingly likely in the situation we've now go with this incredibly hard brexit essentially no deal brexit. Oh well, you know if you're a cult leader, you just double down and tell people to believe harder. On. Ya is exact same tactics as Colt. All ideology is now conflicting with real life just making the coats more desperate and I think it's a big sign of weakness actually that they'd given him this role you know, look we all global. I mean, we haven't actually got any trade deals, but we cleveland off the Australian wants to work with us. A spades fucking pathetic. Humiliated. Thirties impressed. PINAL straighten. Ache. I didn't mean in principle being Australian is not. From as many. Australians including Sunday K.. Could cause he's Australian so in Cleveland. Doesn't this just take us back to our first conversation. We sit there looking at the government and just going how can they be what the fuck is how can this be happening and then you look at his track record look just take your pick just honestly google his fucking name and look at the videos of him being interviewed. So I mean forget the morality just look at the basic capacity to operate in politics or Even. In the world as even vaguely competent human being and this is the guy they picked. This is the guy they pay for his not and that's how you end up in government one. We've got right now just to end on an even higher note, a Cabinet Office reasonable worst case scenario overlap of a second wave of coronavirus and a new deal brexit leaked last week and the style of children of men fan fiction. POWERCUTS, petrol shortages, public disorder, local authorities going bankrupt the spread of animal disease throughout the countryside. And in a fun twist, the area RAF airdropping food to the Channel Islands. Many. This perhaps was not as big a story as it might have been. Do you think any of this is shocking? We sort of become immune to bad news of this particular stage in the game I. Mean I find it shocking but. I kind of the British public is is still so in a constant state of shock and disbelief and I think people just they hear the news but they just don't think that it's going to happen they just maybe. Kant, believed actually we're going to be in such a bad situation I would have thought that. Living through pandemic would maybe say to people actually really about things can happen and they they are going to happen. So maybe Maybe people will start to recognize that but but I am shop that it wasn't a biggest story is because I was pretty scared. Yeah the the answer to what's the worst that can happen. We we've thought motions. Naomi Michael. said. We didn't think people happen which is exactly what you would say about report like this. I'm position that somewhere in Whitehall someone is taking these possibilities seriously so that they they sort of deny in private but the preparing public was wishful thing I think Whitehall are taking it very seriously I think g-o-v is taking it very seriously We know from operation yellowhammer law she just how much they did prepare food no deal. And is no small part why they were able to actually quickly with some of the corona related measures like the fairly scheme up because they actually had had to do an enormous amount of preparation ahead of Nigel amount of stockpiling of of certain things, and they now have to replenish or if they stokes So I think, I, think there is a pretty a pretty seismic amount of work going on in. The background I maintain that they probably would prefer to get a video which is probably the best we can hope for at this stage and hoped it. It is something that we can then use a framework to build on over the next five to seven years and clearer way back into something much more sensible but I I think I. Think they are I have no reason to believe that they are now. Putting an enormous amount of of government resources into ensuring that the there are some mitigations ready in even of no deal. But you know there is there is a limit to how much they can actually do. We know we've talked about on the show before there are some medicines who have shelflives that are measured in hours rather than days that we do not and cannot produce here. On, so those kinds of supplies. Copy copy stockpiled. So it it's very worrying and I think we should be we do. have. The specter of new deal Brexit to thank for some of the more successful emergency measures during the pandemic. Thanks. To deal breaks. At the end of this week for maniacs. Thank you. Special guests, mini Rahman thanks so much for having made in dont. And Amy Smith. 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#278: Fighting Spirits, Pt. 2: Mortal Kombat (2021)

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#278: Fighting Spirits, Pt. 2: Mortal Kombat (2021)

"We keep the line between the past. You believe there's someone out past and enter turn take possession of living through the past but the is not through with us to the next pitcher show a movie of the week. Podcast voted to a classic film and the way shaped our thoughts on a recent release. I'm tasha robinson here again with keith. Ups scott tobias and genevieve custody on last week's show. We talked about big trouble. In little china john carpenter's nineteen eighty-six fantasy which updates a weird western into a movie. That still feels a lot. Like a weird western. Even though it swaps the familiar hero and sidekick roles the other half of this pairing is pretty shirt on sidekicks. Here there are just antagonists and protagonists warriors. Monsters it's based on a fighting video game so all we characters are pretty much equal until they start to face off. And in this case level up the twenty twenty one mortal kombat directed by simon mccoy drops former mortal combat star johnny cage in favor of newbie. Coal young played by louis tan and small time. Mma cage fighter. Who actually isn't all that great at fighting that becomes a problem when it turns out that he's the last of the line of grape japanese warrior. Hans has sashi and he's marked with a single that means he's been chosen to represent earth or indus mythology earth realm against the fighting forces of a mysterious place called out world if earth realm. And i'm going to try to keep a straight face as explain this. If earth rome loses one more fighting tournament against out world than out world will invade and conqueror earth based on this movie we know nothing about out world except that it looks like a pretty dang place to live and it produces all kinds of weird warriors with wings for arms or acid breath. Super speed by comparison earth realms warriors. Look pretty puny especially since most of them haven't figured out how to tap into secret hidden powers their earth round warrior. Schedules give them. That's why the new mortal kombat which premiered simultaneously on. Hbo maximum theaters does and therefore for actually get around to the combat tournament. This entire movie is just a prologue with the earth fighters figuring out their identities and their powers while a bunch of dirty out world cheaters trying to murder them. Get into the weirdness of that dynamic after this support for this podcast comes from invent together according to studies less than thirteen percent of all inventors who holding. Us patent are women. Black and hispanic college graduates patent at half the rate of their white counterparts. But we can fix that by increasing participation in innovation and patenting by underrepresented groups. It would quadruple. The number of american inventors and increase annual gdp by almost one trillion dollars. Invent together is a coalition of organizations companies. Universities and concerned citizens committed to ensuring that everyone has the opportunity to invent and patent because the more diverse. The american patent system gets the stronger and more successful. our nation will become. What can you do to help. Divers inventors patent and unleash economic opportunity. Find out at invent together dot org. Learn more and take action. Today i learn about this seven years ago on a mission in brazil to capture a wanted fugitive unit and second target has superhuman abilities marking you. It's a birthmark. Raymond is born with it. Worth more coal instrument chosen throughout history different cultures all over the world reference a great tournament of champions dragon markings. I think it's an invitation to buy for something known as mortal kombat. Okay so i think the big question with mortal kombat based on everything that i've been seeing online at kind of based on my own reaction is individually for everybody here. Is this movie dumb. Fauner's it just dumb for me. It was mostly dumb. And not all that fun and i've been told that a character named keno would fill me with comic delight when if that i found the church keno repulsive from the on the screen. I don't want it for while you know he dies But i don't know what i watch a movie. I watch a movie. i sit down. I focus on it when it play a video game. I'm less likely her. Specifically i downloaded the most recent mortal kombat game not that long ago at in playing the story mode and destroys. Not that great. I use to check my email or do check twitter or something. While while those those cuts. But i'll i'll i won't skip them out due. Diligence wish. I could have done that with this. I don't know to me. I guess there was some ways better than than you might have expected. I think if you go into this wanting all kinds of references to the mortal combat game if you want flawless victory if you want at least a couple of shots for people's square off perfectly symmetrical compositions before they start fighting one another. You're probably be fine with us. But i was mostly. I was mostly what i did. I did confess. Because i am a horrible person. My favorite part of the movies were the credit kills. And i look forward to those. And the rest. I kinda typically to be honest. Yeah the thing about kaneohe. Because i've definitely seen like a a similar argument that he's like you know the highlight or whatever like i don't disagree with that but also i don't like knows a character i i think that is just how bland every other character in. This movie is especially coal. I guess our main protagonist is just a kind of a a a big old. Nothing you know. I am going to perhaps surprise some of you and agree with that. Might era parts. Were also the the grody hills particularly the the ones that were a reference of some sort to the video game. And i say that as someone who has not kept up with the mortal combat game franchise since probably the late nineties. So i don't. I don't really know much about its. It's modern iterations. I'm i just know the classic One in two arcade version. And that's it. But you know. Like i think one of the more gleefully audacious ones was a jackson's arms like an origin story for jackson's arms mental arms. And it was exceedingly gory. So there were occasional moments like that but even still even if they were like i guess inventive on paper there. The cgi of this movie is just so weightless. And i actually found myself thinking of you keith. During this because that's what how much more fun with this movie be if it had like seventy style paint blood and just leaned into a kind of what we were talking about with big trouble and we'll china like more presentational performative aesthetic rather than attempting something like realism in a scenario where realism like has no place being. Yeah i did not enjoy this movie. I don't have very strong recollections of it less than a week later but you know it's it's a movie. I watched one of the elements that i sincerely thought was pretty good. Which had to do jackson how they treated his use of his his robot arms as it played out. It's basically as a soldier recovering from two. You're just into prosthetics story. I thought you know. I don't think it was particularly. I don't think it was deeply no but it was. It was something you know. And then of course grows super super powered extra extra awesome robot arms at all those problems go away but still there was something there. Yeah i you know. Sometimes we choose. You know we have some really good Contemporary with their classifieds. Sometimes we don't. And i. I have to say i was really kind of psyched about this movie. Because i where it was in the calendar was was right where i was going to get the second shot in potentially add. See it in theaters. I was i always imagine my first movie back was going to be. You know something stupid in gratuitious. The seemed to kind of fit the bill. I did not see it in the theaters. But i i did kind of have that in mind. When i kind of sat down on a friday in front of the largest tv we have and turn the lights off the volume up. And i was ready to go and to have a good time and just doesn't provide it. It's not fun. It just isn't in the violence which i would enjoy like good explicit violence and there are some moments that referenced the video game i the one kaneohe moment i did like was when he said qena wins. I think so. I would like i like theoretically movie. That was done in that spirit but like even that opening conflict that you know that you've got to see the first however many minutes of the film on. Hbo maximum afford actually got there on that. Friday sort of was deflating. Because you think like. That's not a proper branding. You know like the blood is the blood digital that blow people getting I really want to hear you know the see something. A little messier. Little like little suction e sounds or something. They were just felt very cold. And we all video game e in a in a bad way. Where were you in the nineteen seventies when Fangoria was looking for you specifically as a writer. Scott i know or or twenty twenty is i guess. They're still around. Yeah yeah a little less focused on Here's exactly how this breen exploiting practical brain. Exploding effect would've liked more of that. But i think just generally nothing has been done on a script level on a performance level to bring these characters any kind of life. I mean they're just kaneohe. We're focused on keno. Because he's at at least has a personality that we can react to even if that reaction is repulsion. I don't think any of the other characters even make it up to that standard of being memorable or being. You know being having any kind of hook that you could grab onto in any direction. Not sonya blade. Jack's not our special forces blah blah blah. It's like i've seen these. I find those characters to be pouring. Sonya blade was really disappointing to me because i typically played as sonia when i when i did play but also that character and that actress jessica mcnamee get saddled with so much terrible exposition dialogue like explaining what mortal combat is you know and like their research my research and like you can see you can feel the attempts at humor or cheek or levity like trying to like claw their way out of the script like when coal like makes it a little joke about you spelled combat wrong or like k- know make some comment about how sony can't pay him two million dollars shithole she lives in a few beats later. She's like the shuttle. I live in you know like there's these beats these comic beats that are clearly intended to up the sort of like meta comedic quality of this whole exercise. But they don't deliver whether it's performance or just you know there are too few and far between but there's a version of this movie that is like kind of gleefully reveling in what is ridiculous about mortal kombat and it just never gets there you know there's flashes of it. What's your you're you're finish him jokes or whatever but everything around it feels way to self serious. I think that may be kind of again. Comes back to the sort of very cgi world that we're in that is like striving for some sense of realism. And i think that's like that's the wrong choice with the with this movie. You know i think probably the wrong choice with a lot of video game movies. 'cause the video game the modern video game. Aesthetic is striving for like super realism. So i think if you wanna differentiate your movie as a movie you need to do something aesthetically different in order to not just make it look like that video game translated to the screen or the tasha love this one though right i mean. This is honestly. This is the best movie. I've seen in twenty twenty one. Maybe my life. Gosh there's a bunch of different things to unpack there I laughed when honjo said get over here which is a video game references. It makes perfect sense that the ancient japanese warrior. He's been in hell for four hundred years or whatever. It is would would speak in english. Which chinese hell was he in the japanese. Sorry that's right. I think you'll find that he was actually in the nether realm which is a separate round from birth air thrown and at world Somebody somebody might have done her research to make sure getting out world rights to she was afraid it was actually out realm and getting it wrong in the script. My big feeling with this movie was that i was fine with it for most of the movie because i was intimidating. Payoffs that never arrived lake so laid. A the my letterbox review is basically you know negative eleven million stars. No actual mortal combat with a k. And it was a joke but at the same time. It's not a joke. You know the setup for this movie is the big tournament is going to decide whether our world lives or dies and we don't actually see a big tournament we don't ever get there the big setup for the the supposed heroes are is. Here's a guy who's not very good at fighting and not necessarily great at being a father and not necessarily good at understanding himself or why he does what he does but he's gonna figure all that out and then he's going to become like cool in interesting in a way he's not and he sort of figures it out but he doesn't become any of those cool things he still kind of bland non entity and then when it comes to like facing down the big enemy he. He doesn't even really get to do it. He spends most of that battle sidelined and this is after he says like. Here's how we're gonna play this. We're going to all have a big like gang up fight on the the supervillain it. It's going to be really cool because we're all going to get to show our stuff and then that doesn't happen either so like i kinda cruised through this movie in no brain mode on in okay. Invisible acid spitting lizards monster that they have to fight. That's kind of cool. Excuse me his name is reptile. Doctor didn't have formal introduction to reptile. Thank you you know just like that level of engagement like i recognize that reference. Oh yeah here's that character Yeah that that's what he would look like in. Cg or whatever but at the back of my head. I was like all right. We've placed all of these bottles up on the wall and eventually this movie's gonna shoot them off and it just ignores them and with the movie with them. Just sitting there. And i was like really. That's where we're going to go with all of this you know sonya. Blade's whole arc is. She isn't a champion of earth for some reason and then her payoff is a are now. We're done with you. And the final fight is the least Involving of all the fight scenes in the movie i thought and it just feels like it has got what i'm at this point. Thinking of patty jenkins wonder woman disease like a bunch of the marvel. Movies did it before but that was the movie where it really hit home. Because the characters are dynamic and interesting in human and then the end is the to digital effects wailing on each other in what feels like. It just doesn't have a whole lot of steaks and here in theory. You're getting the payoff of this gigantic grudge match. That's been going on for centuries over like the slow accumulation of power but the motives for both sub zero and hongo. Apart from you killed me. No you killed me are on both of them. Say like on behalf of the group that we're not going to explain and that you know nothing about whatsoever unless you're like people steeped in the lore. Maybe both of them are motivated by things that are entirely off screen and that we don't see or feel and by the end neither one of them is human and the way they physically respond to damage. Your pain is completely unpredictable because the The movie doesn't care about anything except keeping the battle going so there was never sense of esscalation. There was never since stakes. There was never a sense of people there and that was where i got to the point of okay but i don't about any of this. I think we care about keno. Even though we all hate keno hating is an emotion from actual ville in this movie that we can relate to the horrible mistake because blake. We've all dealt with obnoxious people and like he gets a payoff for being obnoxious. The real villain in this is somebody who has no human motivation no reliability and just no interest level whatsoever. I am going to disagree with you albeit without any real like enthusiasm or investment in this argument but as far as these like. I'm just kidding staying on theme but as far as like us never actually getting the tournament. I'm willing to read that as sort of clever and there's already been to mortal kombat movies made that i didn't see the second one is really longtime I but like they do the tournament thing you know and i feel like at this point. We don't necessarily need a tournament Narrative in a mortal kombat movie. It's like okay that it is sort of like the background context and like at one point. Lake sung makes a comment about basie. Like we're cheating you know we're we're we're not gonna have the nine hundred we're cheating we're taking over earth realm you know ten. Sorry it doesn't matter. The only value is the lower end of the The recognition stuff. It might matter. I mean it's not that the tournament this. It's just that the story here isn't about the tournament that said we do still more or less get that dynamic toward the end where they all are sort of shuttled off to their own individual fights a couple of which i think are like actually on like locations from the video games like direct references to video game locations and we get like these one on one fights that i feel like that's where we get our sort of tournament dynamic but spitzer also rushed though there so perfunctory. Yeah like as a build up to that point like the movie just kinda completely sells them off but if we did actually like go through the whole tournament would we not just have a bunch of short perfunctory fights as well or like a montage of a bunch of fights. I mean when you have this many characters that said like. I don't want to sound like i'm like defending this choice too hard because like i don't think it would have been good one way or the or the other but it is. I guess i recognize the instinct to this in two different kind of mortal kombat story. One that i guess is an origin story for this character. Who is not who is new to the franchise This this coal person and like using that as a way to like do mortal kombat movie in a new way. I don't think it succeeded in doing it. But like i said. I get the not doing the tournament thing. He's my new favorite mortal combat. Eric cole i would agree with you if it was done remotely. Well not hear me say. I'm not enthusiastic about this. You've been talking chest out and it's all right. Finish me scott's heart out his chest and stick in your chest i power. Here's the thing though. I if it was done well or if it was done definitively i would agree with you like i like the conceptual idea of this isn't going to be another tournament film. But if they were gonna do that they needed to commit to it on both ends of the film they needed to commit to another one end by. Not saying we've won the last nine tournaments and all we have to do is win the last tournament and earth is ours like why setup that dynamic if if they're going to go through all this trouble to cheat it's lake but you've already basically one like earth champions are lame. You keep winning tournaments. You've got this in the bag. All you need to do is show up and it's still going to a lot more trouble to cheat and it ends up not going very well for you. It's the tournament that happens every thousand years and we don't want to risk it the one tournament so we're not going to have it then instead of this this weird sense of there's a whole bunch of important stuff that you didn't get to see and it's all going to culminate in this one important thing that you're also not going to get to see that just ends up being a really weird dynamic trying to dodge a prophecy though i mean. Isn't that the whole point of. Just not waiting prophecy. I it makes it makes sense defending genevieve on this one. This it makes a lot of sense if they wait. And of course we know that these flab or hammocks whoever that you know to use a from saturday night live or all with the ponds and franz flow anyway. they don't. they're not at their best. They haven't come into their powers. It's time to eating kind of undercut them before they realized this prophecy By gaining their power is in being in good shape when they're actually at the official tournament. I get it. It makes it makes sense. But i mean just having prophecy prophecies a license to do whatever you into the store a little one of your podcast is the flop thousand and one of the coasts. Co-host your wellington is is It's only turned off when it film opens with with a prophecy. And i sort of liked i. I think you've got a point. You know it is. It is sort of the here. Let's just lay out the rules and allow us to do whatever we want to right away you that alone in the dark Girl or whatever the are throw suggest the idea of if this tournament was mandated by the gods and the gods are lazier absent or whatever and aren't actually enforcing anything. Why bother with the frick tournament in the first place like just go invade earth if they don't mind you showing up on earth and murdering all of earth's champions it just doesn't seem like they're gonna rise up if you just do the thing that you wanna do in stead of the thing you're doing so you can do the thing you want to do. And then at the end like the whole subversion of war just not going to have a tournament we're going to have fights is kinda lost when we get to the end and they're like okay. Well you you won that. You didn't really win because we're just gonna reser after everybody and have the tournament and then you're just setting up a sequel. We don't want based on how poorly paid off everything you promised us in this movie. See all all of that just keeps leading me back to like the idea that this film was attempting to do something real meadow with its video game origins that he just like didn't achieve you know because like the like the prophecy in the opening text about the tournament. Whatever like that's that's a video game opening you know and you know everyone gets resurrected. That's a video game you know like there's all these like sort of plot mechanics that are lazy or annoying or don't make any sense like if you squint. They can all be sort of presented as oh but were just like commenting on the video game format in movie form. You know again. I don't think this film achieves that. But i think there are seeds of that idea sprinkled throughout. Well we want more than a sprinkling of ideas seated throughout we want a. We want full bore ideas so maybe in order to get them. We can look back at big trouble in little china. And we'll see how the two foams compared to each other When we bring up connections in the next segment miss episode is brought to you by xfinity. Do you like free. Stuff will listen extended. He flexes a four k streaming blocks. You get free with xfinity. Internet plus peacock premium is included at no extra cost. That's a win win. If you have xfinity internet entertainment starts at free with flex sa- go on get really into your shows xfinity. It's a way better way to watch. This is where we keep all. Learn about the drag markings. I learned about this seven years ago. Jackson we're on a mission in brazil to capture a one a fugitive when we got there. The target had superhuman abilities tore throughout unit and seconds. The target had the same market. You do call. Jax finally took it down the dragon marking transfer directly onto his skin. I've spent years trying to figure out what it all means seems throughout history different cultures. All over the world they reference a great tournament. My research shows that there's realms in species that we didn't even know existed that dragon marking it signifies that you've been chosen to fight for earth. It's an invitation to fight for something known as mortal combat. Did you make that last part up just kind sounds like you made it up and look they spelled around. You listen to me. I think there's another tournament coming now. It's time for connections when we bring these two films together and talk about all the things they have in common. I if you wanna kick off here Sure let's kick off by talking about My beloved violence wait. No that's wrong. But i did to the heart outages. No but obviously these are both movies. That are very violent and gory to different extents and serve with different intent behind him but they're also both movies that are who kind of stems. Out of the martial arts tradition and sort of a blend of you know actual martial arts style fighting with special effects both practical and digital and obviously. We're looking at Over three decades of film making changes separating them so they're the they look a lot different in how they present that violence but I guess as far as the filmmaking instincts in the or i should say the storytelling instincts behind the violence in these films. Do you think they are similar coming from different places. I've you can some way. They're not as similar as they might seem at first. And there's much more explicit violence in mortal combat but it's not like in whereas become a little china pays more direct to the classic arts films that preceded it but those could be pretty violent too and we talked about seventies blood and how stage blood of older films as more evidently bought in some ways. I almost feel like a without giving it any more credit than it deserves. I almost feel like mortal kombat doing the digital era equivalent of that sort of violence. There's never you never really. I think genevieve can can enjoy those. Those wholesome people getting sawed in half because it never really feels like someone's getting taught her. There's a celebration to it that there's a distance that they can both ways both these films violence. Well there's definitely more of a sense of suffering mortal kombat. There's a especially in the opening sequence neatly. Really feel honda's pain as he gets repeatedly stabbed and as he struggles and struggles and struggles to survive all of those stabbings on behalf of his wife and children. There's certainly a sense as we're we're watching somebody be chainsaw in half with a hatch as she's like fighting and struggling but she's she's feeling it all like all the way down to her midsection She still fighting. So there's a lot more of a sense of pain. I think There than in big trouble in little china aware you know. It's the kind of martial arts films where people can get stabbed. People can get run three. Were or have body parts cut off but there's not really an emphasis on the the drama. Detour the torturous aspects of violence. I think we also have two films with different audiences in mind the big trouble. Little china is kind of shooting for that ghostbusters crowd. Or whatever is shooting for earnings indiana jones or whatever of just a general audience that it's not so the violence is is not a lot of blood. It's silly it's you know it's of course you know. There's a lot of practical effects in kind of fun visual effects. But there's not a great deal of emphasis on the kills. You know as there is of course the border combat which is proper with mortal combat. I think it was the thing. I was kind of excited about. When i sat down to watch mortal combat was the kills to dec- to try to see it was like the big thing. 'cause like the other mortal kombat movies like you didn't get the fatalities. You getting the fatalities here. Yes so it's the core mission of the thing. In the film had the rating in have the latitude to present that kind of ultra violence and that was going to be kind of this really exciting. And i think it really just dropped the ball you know. Does it almost immediately to my mind. I didn't feel a whole lot of pain. Maybe in a couple of moments you wince a little bit but it would have been. You know a lot more fun if they had if it had done what it seemed to promise to do. In terms of delivering you know the old little ultra violence in that was more satisfying. I remember running across a quote from carpenter when i was researching the out where he talks about managing the fight scenes in big trouble via what he called it. Something like using every cheesy trick in the book you know using smoke bombs and trampolines and reverse that kind of thing in order to create the effect of dynamic fighting. You know dennis done the kind of the martial arts star at the center of it. All didn't know martial arts. He was he was not a martial artist. He was not trained in that regard at all he chinese opera training very much makes me wonder if he actually was the one doing all those backflips assume. Not because we don't see his face but there was a lot of cheating involved in making that violence happen and when all of your violence is digital digital creatures getting their hearts ripped out their arms cut off getting bladed and half or whatever. You don't have to cheat away from the camera and you don't. You don't need trampolines. Although i do find the the flying trampoline bodies during various explosive moments of big trouble like took pretty charming and a ridiculous sort of way. One thing that stuck out to me Immediately in big trouble in little china because it's in the first big fight is a the guns. There's a shootout you know right at right at the top that gives way into a different sort of action scene. Where like the supernatural kind of invades. But you know there are. There are other gun moments throughout the film and that's not something. I typically associated with kung fu or martial arts films. It's definitely something associate with westerns. Which you know as we've talked about big trouble in little china is sort of merging those two forms so so it absolutely makes sense and i guess kind of maybe into another connection. We had down here which is sort of the east meets. West quality of of these two films and sort of the hollywood is asian of martial arts That both event represent so. Yeah the fighting. A big terminal china just kind of like sticks out to me as i kind of an capsule of the meeting of east and west in both of these films. I think it's i think big little little china's such a thoughtful meshing of these two worlds. I think that was an opportunity. I think carpet or wanted to seize on is like okay. Let's those really mix and match these things. Let's have elements of the western world. We're going to have guns. You're going to have a lead character. Who is kind of a buffoonish. Twist on john wayne. But then we're also going to have you know characters and supernatural events in fighting that that are familiar to you know traditional martial arts films and pay homage to that those traditions as well so I think there's something kind of thoughtful in fun about the mix of east and west and be trouble china even if it might have us think about maybe when the phone might stugotz tone a stereotype or something like that at least is or if it's appropriation. Sure exactly appropriate. But at least at least it's trying something at least starting to make the effort. I i feel like mortal kombat is doing that. It's very flat or the doesn't seem to be any kind of knowledge or understanding of the martial arts movie tradition at all. It just seems like a an attempt to the tradition is all coming from the video game back story of these characters well out there elevating the ip the phrase by the screenwriter their elevating. The is an interesting aspect of that. Is that in big trouble in little china. Like almost as if carpenters trying to work against accusations of orientalists. You know the idea that all these people are chinese so like of course they live in an exotic world full of the ghosts and the supernatural and dragons like that just makes perfect sense instead of taking that approach. We actually get the scene. Where wang explains to jack like we all grow up with these myths serve. They're kind of a part of the culture but like were modern people. We we mostly don't believe in this stuff and it's just as weird for wang to like see some of these things going on as it is for jack. It's just that he has kind of a cultural mythos to have some idea what he's looking at. Where jack doesn't and i think what becomes really interesting is in mortal kombat. You sort of have the same dynamic with a bunch of westerners who are completely clueless about all of this magic fighting stuff meeting up with a couple of asian characters who have been training their entire life to activate their arcana and understand these powers and accept their responsibility to the world and their need to fight for it and it just goes completely unremarked on like the fact that they come one of them comes out of a a literal shaolin tradition of using superpowers to save humanity. And it's just it just completely blows by in much the same way it kinda blows bhai of it. You know at a shaolin monk with literal superpowers has to kind of try to get a bunch of like no. Nothing westerners up to speed in a month or less. That's just. It's a lot of training and discipline in philosophy to try to cram into somebody in three weeks but of course it's a western chosen one narrative so of course they eventually outcome like pop into their powers one thing. We didn't remark onto with big trouble. In little china's our quite literally tourists into this. That egg is driving this tour bus and he's kind of giving you know there's some kind of an inside joke there about you know sort of brief history. He's trying to give people on this tour. Bus of chinatown and how it was founded and everything and i think there's that implication i guess the movie itself is an active tourism as well that we can't really that we're outsiders this world that we can't know as well as the people who actually live there and live this history there's a deference to the trouble in little china that's winning and again i just don't think any of this stuff is thought through and mortal combat at all. Just the whole thing is so flat and hard. It's almost hard to talk about moral other than just hanging on kaneohe because there's something to hang onto. It's so hard to like think about that. Anything was done with much intentionally or passion. It's very flat right. You're talking about east meets. West in mortal combat. What are we even talking about. You know it's almost like you're talking about a to d game and how turned into a three d. experience without a particular it doesn't take on a third dimension but the thing is i think those ideas are there i think introducing western warriors. You know a. M a mixed race person and a couple of american army combat veterans. You know they're both coming out of very different martial arts traditions very different warrior traditions. And they're beating a couple of a very very old school very traditional trained people from martial arts traditions like the roots of it are there. It's almost impossible not to talk about how much this is playing into. Just the idea. I'm thinking about for instance Gina prince by woods. The old guard and how it kind of did a similar thing with this handful of people who had been warriors immortal warriors down through the ages and they could come from different. That could come from different warrior traditions. So they were going to have different ways of fighting different ways of thinking about fighting but you know they all eventually kind of like train down to become these perfect warriors. That's a sort of a thought through version of this and this is just kind of like. Yeah you know it would be cool if we had like kind of loud white guy with an accent and like a super cold chinese dude and like a bad ass. Black dude and hot lady. Let's just throw that together and then didn't think about it. Any further than that than those like really really superficial. What looks bad ass. Onscreen this and now we're done. I think it's also notable. I guess that mortal kombat denies us johnny cage. Who is a character that is a. He's a he's a hollywood star. He's a hollywood. Would martial arts star a white man and instead we get this this new character of coal and the implication that you know will meet johnny cage a stand or a sequel or some sort of standalone origin story for him but like please home not wait equal but like you know that's a character who kind of you know theoretically encapsulates a lot of these ideas about you know east-meets-west the martial arts tradition in hollywood. And he's he's just not there. Maybe it'll it'll happen. In the johnny cage sequel come on. Simon mccoy kept saying to myself so disappointed us. I'm in mccoy so honestly watching these two movies. This is not even a connection. This is more like a big existential si- it's like what. What are we doing like honest. Like what are we doing. This is what is hollywood idea of fun in one thousand nine hundred six compared to two thousand and twenty one. I mean what what are we doing. This is not fun. Show me on like the big little china. I mean you know even if you hate big trouble little china you know it's at least you can at least acknowledge it's trying to show you a good time right at the movies. You're having the it's trying to do something to detain you like. Where is that here. it's not fun it's like it's so cold all the all of this this revival of ip. It just feels like there's so much stress involved in paying that off and just making that possible that they forget about like why we would want to watch a movie to begin with it's just it's joyless if he wasn't supposed to be turned into movies it's almost almost as though You know reviving the ip without carrying about the contents has been a problem with booby since the beginning. It's it don't blame it on. Twenty twenty one scott like eight bad movies. Coming out of series or franchises are sequel. A good movies like have been around since very close to the donna cinema. It's not just a twenty twenty one problem it's a sequel itis problem. It's a reboot remake problem. It's while a familiar name gets butts in seats problem and it's a problem that's never going to be solved until people stop going to things just because they recognize the name right like i'm going to say this in watch Scott mount maybe all of you just like triple into a ball. When when i when i do but i think for a lot of audiences seeing. Ip on screen is fun at the movies like that recognition of the thing. You like in one form. Showing up in another form is exciting. You know like. I mean i. I'm not trying to put him on blast because he didn't actually like the movie very much at all. But like a steve. My fiance was very excited for this. Because like mortal kombat. Was you know a bit of a formative experience for him. Growing up in the you know the original movies to like it was. He was very excited to to watch this movie and You know the parts of it that he was most engaged with were like. Oh that's a move. I recognize that's a reference to the franchise that i that i get and you know that is perhaps a distressing way into to think about engaging with film but i think we have to be realistic that to a lot of viewers. That is fine and appealing. I'm not cringing. Down to the soul of mir shriveling up into a ball at that at all. I think you're exactly right. And i guess what comes to mind. Is i have a friend who was a huge fan of the mortal combat games and when the first mortal kombat movie came around. He went to a theater to see the movie very excited and he sat down near somebody. He describes as a kind of scrawny teenager. Who lake wasn't vocally reacting to the movie much at all but whenever a new character appeared. Onscreen this kid would start like obsessively whispering under his breath. Johnny cage johnny cage. Johnny cage sub zero six zero sub zero scorpion scorpion like an tipping. The movie eventually naming that character. And when i think of mortal combat to this day of voice whispers obsessively in the back of my head johnny cage johnny cage because i mean to some degree that is the audience. The the There's an audience that's lake okay in this version. What a scorpio. Look lake onscreen. What does it mean to be scorpio. Onscreen what does it mean to became. no onscreen. what does it mean to be. Jack's onscreen and like just seeing thing that they love in a new form is a thrill it may ultimately be like a hollow. Disappointing her empty thrill. But it's enough of a thrill to get them through the three fourths of the early movies that we found tvs while we were waiting for something to happen. I don't know what to say. I just ripped scotts hard out of his chest and show off podcast for hearts. That's been tough actually believe. I don't really think anybody should my who knows what kind of shape my heart. So anyone wants to trade. i'll do so But yeah. I don't know in front of middle ground here is that i think we are going to have to live with ip been elevated and there are good ways to do it. There bad ways to do. I think we all that we had a lot of fun with With console says kong Which one well as a certain amount of fun. Yeah there's war. We could add more sure. But i just saying that that that this kind of like fairly like algorithm slash spreadsheet driven version of a of filmmaking where you combine certain certain elements or Adapt certain things because their market testing shows that people wanna see it is always terrible is not always mortal combat. I guess is what. I'm saying very choosing the worst example. Sometimes it's on sometimes. It is mediocre. Sure sure wanda division though that's some elevated ip sort of such another can of worms. I'm going to steer out of the skid as rapidly as it can because before they would all agree that the falcon and the winter soldier handed a lot better than the began waiting for waiting for speech to kinda tile games together in the most ham. Promised you know they'd been nine big speeches so far at the tenth one was the one that was going to convince us so to get there and instead they subverted that before we wrap up with connections one thing. I really wanted to get to that. I thought was a really interesting. Contrast between these two movies is the presence of its babble he motormouth characters because we keep returning to quesnoy is the only character in these films that stand out and i think keno and jackie burton actually look a lot like each other. A script like one of them is kind of a monster of a human being and deserves what happens to him and the other one is kind of our hero in a cheesy distance. Not actually be hero kind of way. But they're both like arrogant motormouth that talk nonstop. They both are a little baffled about what's going on. They're both a little dumb. And i think it's interesting that a film of the nineteen eighties like considers to kind of clueless hapless dork carpenter described him as an idiot. Who doesn't exactly know what's going on but won't ever shut up the guy that can't stop talking especially when he meets a girl his mouth just runs over about how much she likes him and how much she wants him around. That's just his way of interacting with people like he starts off the movie babbling a mile a to his buddy he's just talker and it's meant to be endearing you know it's to be a little bit of an indicator of his idiocy but also of his charm but by moral combat talking a lot is just it's kind of the ultimate vice you know it's the stuff that he talks about the fact that he can't stop insulting people the fact they can't stop using slurs and stereotypes the fact that he's arrogant and he doesn't have the fighting chops to back it up and on and on and on all of that stuff is obviously bad but he's so clearly being thrown in contrast to all the strong silent types of the movie. You know your your hero. Call barely talks. You're super like god. good guy. raden barely talks either except to insult people. Silence is a virtue in mortal combat. And it's it's kind of how we indicate heroism. And i just think it's really interesting. How quickly moved from the idea that the hero is the guy that gets to talk. Because he's the one we wanna hear talk to. The hero is the one that was like nose to shut up knows that nobody wants to hear him talk. I mean that was kind of one of the things that one of the elements of mortal kombat that had me thinking about big trouble in little china's being a good pairing was the keno burton connection the. Because i don't know necessarily it's not necessarily clear at first that keno is going to turn into complete. He'll in a bad way. I mean he's hanging out with them for a little bit and he's going to be maybe a wildcard. But maybe maybe somebody who's gonna be on the side of good but he does give us that element of commentary and fun. I suppose until things change as you describe another way. These kind of marriage a little bit is that they both have crazy creatures in them and embiid trauma little china they're pretty much extraneous but awesome. You know. I don't know that the big creature or the flooding is or whatever. Millie ads contributed to narrative in any significant way. But they're cool and they stink. Stick with you if your apparently mortal kombat learn correct me if i'm wrong but basically just has the one there's goral cora corals four armed wizardy thing or whatever I could use more of them. Frankly you know i At least it's something it's less boring. When there's like a forearmed creature doing the fighting you know fairly would nondescript characters. i don't know i'd say most. I think i think the takeaway here is that. Most movies are improved by having we're creatures and the Double down on that a little bit more. It really depends on now whether those weird creatures are truly weird or are cute to antibiotic and there to sell like. I'm still not down with porguese. Like police can go cliff. As far as i'm concerned bringing in something from another movie the point p one of the one of the things that i find fun about the weird critters in big trouble in little china is the thera- unnerving the big ant kind of thing. Whatever it is that just lunges out of a wall and eats them gang member lake. That's kind of disturbing and jeff burton's response to it of just this lake mortal terror of who knows what's gonna come out of the wall and and eat me. I think is ends up being much more interesting than something. That's just hanging around in the background in order to sell toys. Which is the way an awful lot of movies. These days use their digital creepy. Critters is just well. You know we need. We need something that we can bacon demerge. speaking of. I think like goro in particular and immoral. Comeback is just like sort of like almost uses iconography lately. There's a early shot where there's like a giant know if it's hammer or like a statue of him in the background you know what i'm talking about an outer world there's just like a massive coro with like on the horizon arms i. I don't know what that's about either. Yeah cool image. Which i guess you could see a lot of mortal combat Right and and it's also kind of interesting in contrast to big trouble. No china 'cause both guru guru. I say grow again wrong ip Speaking of critters to sell toys. Yeah right. I mean delightful critters but both gouraud and reptile are. They're kind of humanoid they're monsters clearly. But they're like their bipedal. They have arms they feel west uncanny. I guess than you know. The i monster the first suit creature in big trouble in little china so i think maybe that's why they immoral combat. They don't like stick out as as weird the way that the that the ones in trouble tightly just feels like okay. That's this is more like. Cool looking mortal kombat stuff that we're all of familiar with and like looks like the characters from the video game reptile. I think in the video game. Like i think he's made more more reptilian here unless i don't know maybe there were later. Iterations of him but if he was more of a like ninja and the sub zero scorpion. Mold is far as design in the games. I could be wrong there. You better expert. Because he got his heart ripped out and show to him while he was still alive which is really all we should care about in all of this that and the fact that keno wins We're we're just being picky by wanting more out of this movie. But you know we have what we get and I guess we'll reconvene. When the inevitable sequel comes out. 'cause you know. This movie did well enough to justify another movies. H biggest debut ever. Now the question is just gonna be like. Are we going to get to the fireworks factory on the second movie or is it going to not be till the third museum. We have if they had movie after movie promising. Never show. it's going to be the The road to movie series is just gonna be the road to the tournament. That never happens though. It would kind of be amazing. Well it may be a decade Down the line before we find out whether that's going to come to pass or not and in the meantime you can find big trouble in little china on blu ray from shout factory and you can find out like widely rentable on a digital streaming platforms mortal combat is in theaters and it is streaming on. Hbo max exclusively until may twenty third. Every day can bring changes challenges and opportunities that can also change your personal business financial goals and priorities as a true partner. Sandy spring bank can make it all a bit easier. Someone who really listens understands and then create solutions in hard times and good times we will always strive to be your advocate today. And every day that's real banking for real life and real business visit sandy spring bank dot com slash real member. Fdic finally it's time to catch each other up on films or film related items. We recommend especially in this age of widely available digital media that we all need to catch up on. We call it your necks pitcher. Show in the hopes. It will put something interesting on your radar. Jeremy who in the film world is. Good for you Well it's actually not in the film world i'm gonna do a film related item That is a book. But one that i think is very relevant to bob. Both of these films particularly big trouble in china. It came out last year. It actually was the winner of the national book award for fiction and it is charles us interior chinatown a novel. Charles you has been a writer on a bunch of tv shows. I think like westworld lodge forty-nine legion so he has a background in television. Writing and interior. Chinatown is written in the style of attila play. But it's also a first person. Narrative about willis. Woo hoo like basically he is. The non protagonist protagonist. He's sort of in this role of background actor. He's an asian obviously and through his story. And how it's told in the context of sort of a police procedural called black and white. That is sort of like perpetually filming in chinatown and he is like sort of this rotating cast of background chinese characters in this tele. Play the book just in really like personal and very funny often way. Just how hollywood and beyond not just stereotypes Asian men in particular but just sort of like creates a hierarchy of value. And how that is kind of internalize. It's one of the most unusual approaches to storytelling. I've i've read in a long time. I actually did something that. I normally don't recommend especially for fiction but i listened to it on audio book and i actually think that is. Maybe how i would recommend experiencing this book. I can't say i didn't. That's the only way experience but because it is written in the style of play of a script having it read that way. I think really kind of adds to the effect of that. It's a book. I recommended to many many people in the like or so. Since i finished it and i definitely thought about it pretty much constantly while doing this pairing. So if you haven't checked it out. I would definitely recommend doing that. Especially maybe after the despairing. I've literally checked it out in the sense that i have it from the library. I have already out. It's too it easy. Read to scott. Let's get for you so this has. This is just out of nowhere. But i had occasion to revisit. The blake edwards. Peter sellers movie a shot in the dark. The just an absolute masterpiece of comedy in in an example of film direction. That i think so. Many directors of comedy now should study closely because it is so beautifully staged sort of a combination of whodunit and sort of downstairs comedy and into puhl those things off. You really need a lot of careful orchestration from direct to'real front so it's got that it has a really wonderful opening. It was a film that i think was not intended to be a pink panther movie but was sort of reworked until until it was. It was a second pink panther movie in the in the best buy. I think a pretty good margin in my opinion The best of the pink panther movies and this one has got. This one is where. There's a chauffeur. I believe murdered. And the woman who was discovered with a guy with a gun in her hand and A clue who is very attractive woman is just cannot be convinced that she's responsible for this crime is so she she she gets booked e he's releasing her and other people other people die and she's the one who seems to be the one responsible for all of these murders and it's just. Everything's sort of escalates. In that at a very very funny way and it's done full of great bumbling -clusive 'isms and i think a wonderful time piece of comedy orchestration in fond. Just i think it holds up really well and so if you haven't seen that particular movie or maybe you've seen it before. I would just see it and then just pay attention to what blake edwards is doing with cameron with the way with the staging of it. Because i think it's it's a role model for how wrecked comedy a shot in the dark people. This time of. I really loved it. I commend is hewitt. I'd like blake. Edwards in general tends to be a masterclass in cinema night. Ever really feel like. I should go back and revisit work more often than i do as good what was what about you. Utah recently logged into netflix. And had blast at me about this movie called new gods nasa reborn which is a chinese animation like a falling. Cgi animated film out of china and it turned out. It hit the surface that day with absolutely no fanfare whatsoever. Didn't get a press release about. It wasn't on any other release list that i saw very very strange in. It's a pretty enjoyable. Cg film about the rebirth of reincarnating. God's in new bodies it was Entertaining to watch very flashy very chosen. One kind of thing but in kind of reading up on doing the research kinda fell down this little hole of like i reading about these chinese myths the investiture of the gods and journey of the westlake these kind of traditions that crop up over and over and over in chinese mythological stories and just reading about like nasa and the different ways. He's broken into stories like literally over. The course of centuries was just really entertaining and really interesting. So i went back to look at the directors other work which is a twenty nineteen film called white snake with also a big like sort of historical fantasy epic in this case about a race of snake. Demons and a human sorcerer. That's accumulating power so they attempt to take him out and it doesn't go well and the assassin ends up meeting and slowly falling for a human boy and then human boy has to make terrible sacrifices for their love. It was when the first films. I've seen on a small screen since the pandemic started just deeply regretted not being able to to see on a big screen. Certainly not the only one but just very very intense feelings of wishing. I could see this in a like a giant projection. It was clearly meant for. It's a movie of images. It is a movie Of just like spectacular environments and spectacular action sequences it just kind of a feast for the eyes and it goes into some very unusual directions as far as a kind of like a western animated fantasy feature would be concerned. It's coming from a very different set of expectations that make it very unpredictable and exciting. So i think for people who like animation and are adults and are sort perpetually looking for something that suits and adult palate but isn't what people mean when they say adult animation in america which is usually kind of like you know ralph. Back she fritz. The cat stuff is trying to mess with and break taboos. This is a very different kind of thing. This is just an animated story. That's aimed more at adults than children. Even though it's drawing on a like a mythic resonance that you know in a the words of wang in big trouble in little china would go back to childhood stories of people growing up in china. So it's just it was really interesting thing to experience but it's also man. What a gorgeous lush ridiculously over the top visual movie. I recommend that people look it up. It's called whitesnake keith. what about you. I've seen a lot of strange movies in my lifetime. But in some ways i have never seen i've always. I haven't seen many movies as strange as when i watched last week. From nineteen thirty seven called. History is made at night direct by frank for such Starring charles boyer whomever for episode of gaslight and the great agena arthur and strangest isn't necessarily readily apparent. It is a delightful film and one that takes all kinds of twists and turns. And i don't really want to spoil them by will say this it opens with jean arthur's character tried to divorce her insanely jealous husband who keeps insisting that she's cheated on him even though She hasn't to prevent this divorce. He hires someone his chauffeur to kind of Invader how her hotel room and kind of put her in a compromising position away that was covered by private detect thus preventing the divorce at which point the handsome frenchman play patrols way breaks in and fights. This man is all the first five minutes from there. There's there's there's restaurant drama. There's a shipwreck drama. International travel and also If features a cameo by the puppeteer sagar events is so. It is as i'm as i suggested and an unusual move also very romantic movie and one was some some great performances that never really acknowledged the absurdity the situation around them to the point where they ended up Feeling that much less absurd. You're really do capture the drama of this peculiar a story. I it's very much worth your time. Is currently it just came out on criterion blu. Ray i watched it on on the app. But i'd like to dig into the special features to learn more about the film. Which which. Maybe i'll do after we're done taping tonight it so it's definitely worth checking out. It's also one of the another circulation for a while. So i feel like you know there are other probably others out there like me. Who will be happy to rediscover the cell. Wow that sounds crazy. Doesn't give the folks the name of that movie again right. It's history is made his night address by frank for sasha who knows rhetoric all quite on the western front and many other films. I'm excited i mean. I saw all quiet on the western front for the first time about a year and a half ago and completely blew me away. So that was. That was the first time i i. You blew me away about that. This is a sound design it is. There's an intense sounding movie on top of everything else. Yeah well that doesn't intense. Lola hope that two people check it out and see if it is as intense as it sounds. Thank you everybody for those recommendations. And that's it for this edition. The next picture show our next pairing will drop on may twenty fifth and june first keith. What do we have on tap with their next job and says we're going to be top into one of the primal pleasures movie going by peering into places. We're not supposed to look. We're drawing inspiration from joe rights new through the woman in the window. In which. 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Movie and TV Talk: Mortal Kombat and The Falcon and the Winter Soldier

Why Watch That Radio

32:42 min | 3 months ago

Movie and TV Talk: Mortal Kombat and The Falcon and the Winter Soldier

"On this episode of why watch that. I'm not back like show me the. Give me the kills. That's it had every major characters in honored all of their signature moves. Yes if you wanted somebody to get up in the air and kick somebody in the face. It happened expense. And all this other stuff. We all saw commercial. Everybody in the world saw it and everybody went. We're going to see it and we were disappointed. Alright hello y'all one about that now. The reason why. I have such a problem with this. In addition to everything that you said is that they have ignored a l l of the work that the russo's russo brothers did in defining the worse of of the winter soldier. Why watch that isn't podcast. Between the critic and referee who go head-to-head on a quest to discover the best movie and tv shows. Hollywood has to offer expect the unexpected from critic clone. Nothing gets past the rat. We do all worse so you don't have to welcome to. Why watch that this episode of. Why watch that is supported by entrepeneurship meal plan. It helps leaders and professionals feed their bodies and businesses. Well you know critic. I got a chance to attend a wonderful event by em p los angeles and it was so amazing because brandy cochran was able to gather people all sorts walks of life. We're able to gather together. Have real talk and some real good food. It was a hit. Its food for the soul and the body which is so hard to find so if you wanna learn more about entrepreneur meal plan whether you're entrepreneur or not go to entrepreneur meal plan dot com the y. Watch that talk each each. Oh now listen we have to say goodbye to a show and we wanted to put a tv goodbye to a first look of a hell out. What we believe isn't going to be the last not going to tell. Exactly why but bri gather from that. We're talking about say goodbye to be falcon and the winter soldier talking about that finale and saying hello how to mortal combat the movie. So get over here. S what i do you know if anybody knows anything. I do that to the critic of i. Just take my purse with adam and i bring an you know just with them to means a girdle were and then. That's how we have to do these recordings so we throw potatoes at him and don't get over here. No no no. We don't do any of those things now. Listen we've covered the falcon and the winter soldier from the start halfway and now we've made it to the end along with many of you listeners. I'm sure no one is waiting but there may have been some of you who wanted to bend instead of of watching it. So i will have to say we will spoil this so if you have not seen the finale watch the winter soldier you can skip right. Onto mortal combat we will spoil the falcon and the winter soldier. So we're gonna give you a second to forward and for those of you. Who are staying here we go. The mini series has concluded six yards total on disney plus. We have found some revelation of sam's character. In fact if you go to the end it is no longer a certain. Something anymore is it. So that's the plaques. I know it's it's terr- we already know. We had you know we have tough head time that we don't have to act food because there's a lot to talk about. Let me get this straight. We start our at a series with sam who can't get alone and bucky who has mandatory Therapy to get over. What happened him when he was meant to soldier and brainwashed and so on in order to fulfill his partridge. Let's yes get that. Yes yes they come upon this group of miscreants who get the sarum that created winter soldier. You know can't american. All of them and native turned into super soldiers. They wanna you know i don't know turn the world to some sort of marxist vision and So they gotta stop them. Then who captain america. Because he's dead while we get a new one play by wyatt. Russell john walker And you know he eventually takes the serum tube. Because why not. He's right there as well and that leads to problems you know. He leaves his good buddy dies he gets upset and you know he's fighting same bucky and somehow winning. I don't understand how that happens But then he's dispatched and you know since we're giving away sam becomes a finally becomes captain america could have become that from the beginning though In all of a sudden he can push brink's trucks up in all kinds of stuff and There's bucky just. I don't know what happened to them. What we're doing bucky now in the end you know basically told you what happened. You know that the kids got the serum. They don't win out now. We also have other people coming back. Who have been exiled and you know they have certain agency but are they going to do something you know they they are in the lineage of agent carter and all of that stuff who how exciting is that and what we did have that i did like was julia louis dreyfuss who just showed up of the second to the last so fun zone up i would have watched her show. That's what i thought. So for me. total problems here are joking or not. I can't tell the final. Three episodes did not click it all not even much of the action for me clicked. It was awkward. They were writing problems. They neutered the winter soldier. They dropped those problems from the beginning. That started the series But there is captain america for the movie in the works. And i said we're gonna spoil. So i don't mind spoiling when you get to the end. The title changes from the falcon and the winter soldier to captain america and the winter soldier so in other words that four the that is happening in the works cannot be with chris. Evans it will be with a you know in the comic world. There are many iterations of captain america. There's even a female captain america. So we don't know what's going to happen. Here's here's my response to it. And i know you didn't kinda give yours i'll go i. It's so you could clean up the mess. I've said it a nauseam. it really should have been the falcon. Just call it the falcons. Because they didn't say the falcon and sharon carter. They didn't say the falcon zemo. It didn't say the falcon and any of the other Any of the other people who have showed up. In the captain american franchise the reason why. I have such a problem with this. In addition to everything that you said is that they have ignored a l l of the work that the roussel's roussel brothers did in defining the worse of of the winter soldier. And here's why the worst of the winter soldier as an enemy and the worst of the winter soldier as an ally an event at eventual frigate bender. They ignored all of that and bucky. Who he was fine in the first movie like it. A fine side kick to the story. I just don't care enough about bucky to want to sit through six episodes of him fighting like bucky with an occasional like fighting like a regular guy who couldn't maybe punch a little harder. You can forget you. Forget about the people. You've killed your memories not gone. So you're fighting technique is it and you have one of the other rights. He's in he's in therapy to work through all of therapy but then he's going center of a gift. But could you have someone who hasn't forgotten every single kill and that was his driving force and we won't ruin this but he. There is a moment in the finale. where you know. He really drives it home. Let's say and to the point where fluffs up stuff you know. He's trying to get you. Don't forget the kills you don't forget gills. Well apparently you forget how to fight like the winter soldier does. You're just fluffing around. Let people kick your butt. The winter soldier is a soldier who is resourceful and an assassin. Who has and. i don't think. I said this last time if i did. I'm repeating it. who moved. think about it. Winter soldier was used to move the entire franchise forward. Not just the style. But the story he killed. Tony starts dad. Every single which boop that hotline ford to create a civil war which ended a sign the accords which made divided the. I like you know what i'm saying. That one character shifted the entire storyline. So you know when you go back to bucky who maybe will or won't throw a punch. I'm not here for it. I'm not even going to address. But captain america stuff. I'm not against do that's for you. You can have a menu of that snow though. What's this. I've said what i said. How could you let me hang out there you have to. I took care of it. Well i i would. I would say is if they give you are an -ticipant in captain america. Four and you want to see this. Just know that you won't be getting much development an explanation. I mean all of a sudden. Sam gets a new suit because he decides captain america. I don't know why. I don't know what it does i on gave it to him But well what kinda did you know. That was the that was the He asked for the favor and in the soul the took the minori not her name but gave him the suit will condon's gave him the suit We know that weird looking suit but he does. So if you just want this and you you've seen one division you now have this and you just moving forward through the marvel experience you know i will say the first and third episodes for pretty good well. There were six but okay all right. Let's move on to a first look because we need to move on speaking of supernatural beings and franchises. We have mortal kombat and this is not its first feature mortal kombat if you go back through some of your like yes it is and obviously you weren't born in the nineties Shortly after the video game came out not too long. There was a series of movies. That if you really go back and watch movies were xiao lula jig We just didn't have the tech now back then. So warner brothers decided to release this on. Hbo max as they do with all their releases as well was in theater. So it's out right now. simon mccoy was the director for this. But we have A handful we have a lot of people putting their hands in this We know that. John tobias is famously and edward famously came up with mortal kombat and the storyline that you if you play the video games now. The story lines have developed over the years. I believe there are eleven it rations of the game and within they have actual stories so by the time we get to this particular movie. It's a conglomerate of those stories in addition to something so in addition to obviously john and ed's work greg russo. Along with ohrid. Uzis lucielle or ozal dave callaghan and greg also so greg david the screenplay in or and great did the story and we have a cast that for the most part you will not know except for the two image. There's some people you know. I mean there are some people you will know. But let's start with coal young's played by louis tan. Who to me is for me. He's new to me. But maybe not for a you critic. Because i know you really love that world jessica a name namie along with john dos lawson joe. Tesla's i mean there we go and then i'm going to i know there's chin-han who is in this and is it chin if i chip ingram chin has been in so many movies lately. Like he's just loving him more. And more and i believe you know i'm sorry not chin on that. Es chit harm that guy but also high throw any cure yuki sonata sonata. That i was going to say that what he's been. I'm sorry he's been in so many movies lately that you just come by you. Do you remember wolverine me. Do you remember just a lot of things. I've been enjoying his work for quite some time. along with other people that we can just go on. You know max long We can go on and on about some of these people. Now mortal kombat. Let's just be honest. The critics hated it. But my question to you critic we both saw it. So i'll and at some point but the question is why do you think they hated it. And is that accurate Is it really accurate to hate this movie. Well it it always takes me back ref to win the matrix. I came to us I remember the critics reaction to that. And i remember going there wrong before i even saw the movie. Their action was they hated it. They they hated it. You know it doesn't make any sense and all this stuff. We all saw that commercial. Everybody in the world saw it and everybody went. We're going to see it and we were disappointed. Hello y'all which all want about that now so the point is in my opinion. If you're a critic you'd give your honest opinion but what we try to do is also give listeners. Whoever's listening to us enough for them to make their own minds up and we do try to think about who this was made for. Mortal kombat is made for fans of mortal kombat and fans of just kicking butt. Okay that's what it is because they go largely fans all those video games. It's you like kicking but then you'll like this as well. I mean silent. Yes exactly killing yes there okay stylistic killing okay so that's what this is about. I mean i played mortal combat in the nineties. Now i i did too yes. It's one of my favorite games. I shouldn't admit that in public. But i didn't. I didn't say i'm with you. And i would use sub zero scorpion right now. I would i would use sub zero scorpion annoyed me every time tried. It gives you too many tricks. Yeah he like he was just like. I can't remember all these things like. I can't remember all the the things but i did. I like sonia out you know. Sometimes she was was fun to play a girl So we have those memories now at the beginning of moto combat. Release in twenty twenty one. We have hanzo sashi and its the seventeenth century into pain. He's there with his family. His wife his young kids one is a baby. And you know they're out there enjoying themselves. They are paid a visit matteo of act by econ and behind his going to kill him. Why why why. How did we get there. And he gets very cold okay And what happens with honda. How does he fight back. he's got. He's got nagel like a gardening too. That's right you could imagine. And then we shuttled forward to present time and we're introduced a cold play by louis tan. You know he's a fighter. But he's kinda fledgling and not doing well so on and so forth but he has a wife he has a daughter his daughter is almost like you know is manager. I mean it's kind of like what birds stay for. Rocky you out of the caught exactly so okay. So we see him and what we find out is. There's this marking certain. People have different places of their body. Now hanzal had it. Cole has it and coal is rescued from an attack. And who's attack is the question. And he's rescued by jack's we've loved. I liked playing with. Jack's chiro heated. I like smashing people's head. Yes exactly yeah if you want all the bisco stuff that's and be caught brooks place him. He's tells the family guarany. Everyone say your life. He doesn't get over here. So what does he know that they don't well. There is of course mortal combat. It's a tournament among and between realms if you lose enough the other round that beach you will take over so the out world has nine wins. They need one more to take over. Earth ralph an earth realm is protected by lord. He didn't so lord raden he's a god the don't interfere but they just make sure that everything goes hair. It's fair according to mortal combat rules if not they will step in and make sure everything's okay but you gotta know that dirty stuff is happening to step in and this is what you've got. So what the rams talked about his shame song play by chen. And chang is in charge of the out world and the lead fighter. There is sub zero among other people. You have molina in there and you know all these other okay. So then what happens. Chang sung is going. Let's make sure we win this. We're so close. We don't have to play fair. Kill him all subsequent before the tournament for the tournament and lord rating these guys. They don't pay package. Is that true now. Everybody has to gather at this mystical place of law raisins and you have to find your inner force. Because these people have these markings on them. They don't know what it needs. So you know in order to get your true power something has to be the cavaliers so we see all of this happening. People are picked up along the way. Sonya blade and jack state you know they were in the military together We also have kaneohe. You'll see how he pops up so yeah has him in her clutches. I'll put it that way. And they all go and so the question is is sang. Sung subzero at all. Are they going to be able to get rid of the need for the mortal combat or not. You know that they won't and what are all of these powers going to manifest as you also have other people popping up you know kung lao was showing up and and all of the o'kane all of them in there and then in the end the question is what happens. What happens in a video game. You can play again right. So maybe a fatality. But you could you know so. I say ref is win. It was what we remember from video game. Even like those things i was saying over ear. Soften kato wins. You know that kind of stuff. We'll find victory. Yeah it's fun. it's fun but to me. The movie that i wanted to see was between two characters. Elia yeah zero in scorpion. No i did not give away. How scorpion fits into the story. But it's the two of them. And i think they did a lot of good work in developing that relationship was use. It starts in the beginning at it. Ends with sub zero and scorpion. And you'll see that play out. The two actors of perfect for those rows. Fighting was exciting. I was quizzing. It was just wonderful. The whole the whole they should do. Mortal kombat sub zero scorpion. All i need. And i know they have to do all of these characters. Never forget. I never remember his name. I whatever but that was it to me. The problem for me was in the middle. The really the the the person who turns the plot is cain up and and you'll see what that is an kaneohe to me. This is and this is a legacy of marvel where everything sp funny. It wasn't funny to me. It was annoying. See that's the difference. So i was annoyed throughout the middle of the movie. Even though some of the action was good. So that was my knock on it Because it's like this if you watch masters of the universe this is not great filmmaking. however it's campy and fun to watch it's fun to watch franklin jealous kaldor. that's fun it's from the sea grill door. Who they again is to bring it up. They tried to give him a razzie. Billy barty does not fair not fair. What is the man supposed to do. How are we digress. You have and all of them. I remember them. 'cause it's fund that middle. They were trying to do that. It wasn't fun to me. But i think raff that if you're a fan of what we said this. You don't have to go to the movie theater. You can't if you choose. People are people are once again. Hello hollywood would tell you all about this. What i tell you about. Hbo max staying now. They're saying oh it's working so far but it'll catch up to them. Maybe you should be quiet. Maybe you should because you can go to the movies to see if you like you can watch it if you have. Hbo watching on each field. Max is available for thirty one days. I was fine doing that. Rewire go back and watch those fights once the beginning of you. So thank you for that. And it a sequel. What i watched that. I watch sequel. H backs again. That's how i would do it. Here's what had to say about mortal kombat simple The forty four score from thirty six critics. That's a low score it. It takes a great effort to get forty four out of one hundred to me. I don't know if everybody knew what they were going to see. Noten this is not something that you go to see. The story line get pushed so we do know in this iteration. We can give this away. Cole is a character. It's not in the video games. He's completely new. So what are his powers. What can he do does he make it through the movie. What is his part house. He connected that was something a little new to push the story forties his story. Really you know we were seeing it through his eyes and learning. what combat is. I'm not back. I'm here for the like. Show me the. Give it to kill victor. It had every major older characters in honored all of their signature moves. Yes if you wanted. Somebody lakes to get up in the air. Kick somebody in the face if you want. Somebody's hands to smash buddies head open. It happened if you want. Somebody's hat just saw somebody in half. It happens if you wanna see. Somebody's soul sucked out of their body. Oh it happened. So i mean what are you complaining about. This isn't shakespeare. it's not like this isn't star wars where you've got this story moving it along. It's called mortal combat. Yeah it's what it gave. I would see it again. I didn't back i did. I did race through the middle. But all of the fight saints. They were like every it literally was like a john wick. Kind of saying maybe john wick was way more style stylized but john lick is about getting from fight to fight. How can i get to my end result. I gotta go through these eight major fights and that's what world combat was. It was like you know. We're walking along somebody says. Hey you're jerk. No you're not all cabinet. Beat you up bloomberg of show you what i do. That's why we're here. i'm not. I don't care about that. But i will agree to those two actors along with those character sub. Zero and scorpion. Thank i watched that it A two to three times. I mean anytime you punch someone and this is in the trail. So i'd give it away You punch the one. Blood comes out of their body and that you freeze it and brought back and turn it into a dagger. Yeah i mean. Zero was so good it was good and these actors. I know we need to prevent. Please play homage to the. I mean we know joe from Many of his movies that you've seen him in Is he's in you know he's shown up in fast and furious along with warrior. An all of the movies are yawned. Yes you know. Yeah and the ad. The director said we. He was the only person to play subzero. There was no one no one else. And then of course chen a. I'm sorry not chin hero your key. I mean we've seen he's just love him we. We've been around him for for many many times. So mortal combat is in theaters. Now so the question really becomes. Do you see it in theaters or do you take advantage of your hbo. Max here's what i say and critic you can throw in your one. Are you already said. Look if you want an experience of mortal kombat no no story. I mean you know what you get when you play the video game. You're playing a video game for the story. Lines in this movie will not work for you but if you believe the video game or just want to see somebody head fly off and all that other stuff's stylistically and you want to be around others to hear that reaction do both goat if you need to get out go to eater and then go home and rewatch your favorite scenes or you could just stay at home every. Watch your favorite scene. Thanks for listening for additional resources. Visit watch back dot com good idea and we'd love to hear from you so go ahead and leave comments feedback and you can read us semi. I see next week seeing cook.

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Spoiler Specials: Mortal Kombat

Slate's Culture Gabfest

42:52 min | 3 months ago

Spoiler Specials: Mortal Kombat

"Charlotte what's hello and welcome to slate spoiler specials. I'm karen hans staff writer at slate. And i'm joined by matt desam browbeat and weekends editor. Welcome mat hello. Thank you so much for having me. Now that i've said. I almost feel like i should have had more of like a fighter intro. I haven't played any of the combat games. But i know like whenever you select a fighter. Matt yeah there are a lot of gongs and we're here to spoil the new moral combat movie directed by simon mccoy and it's on. Hbo max right now so you can go watch it. You can also see it in theaters if you can manage to do that safely and you are comfortable with going to theater. Currently i guess before we jump into it. Are you a big mortal kombat head. I've just. I've never played any games so i'm obviously not but i am. Not if you ask me like twenty five years ago longer than that. Now but the original game like the arcade console the first one. I was obsessed with in high school specifically the one sir. Goonies golfing games and There still you know half my college tuition. In that thing. Since i haven't played any controversial. There's a lot of lot of characters in this movie i hadn't met before. So this is the third mortal kombat movie. And as far as i can tell as someone who has only seen clips of the other two mortal kombat movies than most successful of the three. I have a review currently up on slate dot com in which. I said that. I really liked the movie matt. What what did you enjoy it. did you hate it. yeah. I read your review. It's just great. I more or less agree with it. I would say it delivers exactly what it promises and nothing else. And if that's what you're looking for that this is what the lincoln quote or whatever. If you're the kind of person who likes that sort of thing and i do you know in most cases so i did like that one i have never seen the second mortal kombat film but i saw the original or that you know there are tv series too. Apparently have oh. I did not know that i mean obviously my knowledge of mortal kombat. Laura's obviously not up to snuff. It's one of those things. Where like the less of the lower you know. And lord of filmmakers the better because it's so ridiculous the more you would engage with the sillier everything. Yeah i mean. That's kind of the overall thing with the movie where it begins and there's immediately a title car that's like that introduces the concepts of out world and earth rally. Which on their own are ridiculous words. just generally and even more. So when you think like these are the like regions competing in a tournament known as mortal combat with a k. Which is never explained in the movie copyright mortal with the they discovered when they were making the videotape. Wow i had no yeah. So let's get into spoiling it so it begins with a flashback in seventeenth century japan. We see the renowned ninja. Honda hisashi played by here yuki sonata and his family beset upon by an assassination beyond who is part of the lynn quay assassin clan. There's some beef there that is never really explained but all we need to know for the movie is that behind kills honda's wife and one of his children and also leaves honda for dead and the child that survives ends up being an ancestor for the main character in the film. Coal young played louis tan. Who is a new character made up for this movie. So do you want to set up. What's going on without world and earth round. 'cause we mentioned that but i guess not necessarily what's going can. I can set it up exactly as the movie. Because i thought that was. So ridiculous. I transcribe it. So here's here's the mortal combat lower that you have to know. Earth realm is on the verge of catastrophe. Should it lose one more tournament. The savage realm of out world will invade but an ancient prophecy. Foretells that a new group of champions will be united by the rise of hans. Has sasha's blood that's all you gotta know. So earth's champions are all marked by. They have like the if you're familiar with the bottle. Combat like logo. It's a circle with a dragon head inside. All of earth champions have that somewhere on their body The difference being that cole young was born with it as one hundred hisashi descendants and everyone else they he meets who is a nurse. Champion has basically won it in combat from somebody else by proving themselves worthy so almost immediately just launch a straight into another fight after introducing coal young basically now like kind of a dirtbag boxer after being a former mma champion so he meets subzero again. Bihan has become subzero because he has ice power. We seemed to fight and in the locker room afterwards. This jack's played the macabre shows up in an asylum about the fight end. Just try to stack up compensation colder than interested and then after the fight he's having burgers and then somebody just starts snowing in the middle of july. He's out with a family like a burger stand and And sub is here. I don't know if he's tried to kill jack's or he's trying to kill cole. Because spoiler alert they're both chosen ones or whatever but there's this there's this giant ice fight outside of the burger joint in some You know small town account. Yeah i will say. It's a pretty cool. Seeing li like one of the highlights of the movie is just the fact that everyone has these kind of crazy powers in the way that the movie shows them off. Subzero can just make everything into ice and snow and as soon as it starts knowing. You're like oh yeah. I know exactly what's going to happen. Sub zero is gonna show up and then for fans of the game are familiar with what jackson situation. Is you you also. Immune like yeah. Can't wait for his arm to get frozen off because he shows up with both arms intact. His whole thing is that he has metal arms which is part of the trailer. So it's not a huge spoiler but some does snow piercer on him freezes his arms and then just cracks him off. Yeah i mean that was pretty cool. Yeah when jack shows up for the first time and they they're just a bunch of glamour shots at the guy's arms to post like flexing his arms. You know whatever it's like that's not good. He'll be real. Pity of something happened to them. Yeah well no. It's like meeting the hayashi family or whatever in the in the opening like anytime you see somebody who's having a good time or have something good in the first third of the movie lookout. So jack mentioned to cole before he gets blasted that he's working with someone named sonya blade and gives him her dress part of the funny part of this movies that coal pretty much takes us on stride. He's like yeah. Okay i'll go find blade and then later when the mortal kombat is a thing people can shoot fireballs he's like okay sure Which is a very flexible people. There's no question the reality of this thing. Yeah in fairness. I almost think that makes a better version of where he's like. What oh my god like. I can't believe this is happening is almost like more boring. Yeah no you don't have. You don't have a choice with that. Like i think. I think with this kind of story. Where the the law in the backstory is. Just you know i. it's not poisonous. But the more you engage with the sillier movie is gonna get you have to just you. Basically basically they did here. Which is you take one character and you make that sort of han solo figure in. That's the person who gets to be skeptical in this case. That's know who we need shortly after this. So cold like like fleas. This fight Jet in sub-zero jax fight in jackson gets killed presumably and then they go back and he goes off to find. Sonya played In gary indiana. He drops off his family at home and And goes out there and then after she needs her In the junk yard for boats where she lives You know just a lot of random. Industrial decay in this. New realm is on the verge of catastrophe and not because of more. Yeah no there's a lot going wrong here. Long there at a burger stand there eating beef but yes. So when colorizing. Gary indiana you meet sonya. There's sort of introducing they discover that he she is keeping this guy like chains to chair in her house know Played by josh. Lawson is sort of the locus of the audience skepticism And he is a mercenary who also has one of these champion marks. He has it because he slipped throat of a champion that you know had it before him who sonya blade was tracking that captured him and has him chained up there. Yeah k- know kind of the comic relief for the movie Which i think half works half dozen josh lawson like is funny enough to carry a lot of it but perhaps because of i have no no real perception of character on this movie again as someone who's not familiar with the franchise but a lot of the jokes that he's making are a little misogynistic or racist. I would say generously asshole this. That's very true. The first movie as well as they don't If you're supposed to dislike a character that's that's pretty pretty clearly. An obviously telegraphed rain like he's not a hero movie to make to be no. He's not he's like the video games he's part of the team. Bad guys i can honestly and in the first one he is Just yeah he's just a bad guy he's part of the. He's already teamed up with but we need them here. He's hanging out with these guys as the prisoner and well we talk about. What the the the ultimate plan of the villains here is the Birth realm out roller supposed to compete in these tournaments to determine who controls what realms or whatever but chang who's the leader of out world doesn't want to do it anymore so he is planning to kill oliver world champions before the tournament happen and as a result of that. He's you know the will win because no one will be able to fight. So that is why he'd sent subzero about zaire was and that's why sub-zero kill jackson trying to jackson so that having not stopped coal that they send another guy a reptile. Who's also from the video game but in this case is like an actual just reptile guy. Almost in the games. He's just sort of like this green in. But in this case he's the cgi repti- invisible reptile monster that they send after Collision yourselves. i actually had no idea that he was an actual character. I just thought that he was some goons that they've made up for that is because his presence is so negligible. He's i mean so the thing about mortal kombat is that in the first video game. of course we've got memory or anything to work with so like half the characters are just the same as another character except the color of their outfits and that's and that's reptile that that was him he's sub sub zero scorpion. Reptile are like the blue yellow green and joe with all the same powers. Clearly the same thing. So i guess somebody was like yeah. We can't have three of these identical looking and they reimagined him so yeah so this this invisible reptile attacks. Well sonia and colder talking and in that fight qena manages to get free and Is actually the guy who kills the reptiles invisible smart enough to Jam like a road flare in its back with a knife At which they can see it and then slices the hell out of it and one of his signature keno fatalities from the video game. By reaching into the things chest and ripping out its Ripping out its heart winds exactly like thirty different times of this movie. Some character will duplicate the announcers from video time. I thought i cheered. I thought it was incredible. Every time it's like oh you can do here his test your might like they were missing the part where they look at the camera and wink before they say there's there's a lot of that and it's pretty sad i gotta say i I got a huge kick out of kennedy in the heart rhythm. Move as a quick aside speaking of test your might I must mention that. Matt rowe a very very good Piece for us honestly dot com interviewing the guy who does the yell kyle Kyle wyatt you. Thank you Yeah really nice guy. Just was sort of an extra in a commercial at the right time in history to end up being the guy who yells mortal which he nailed yeah i would say icon part of all cultural history at this point so right. They managed to kill reptile and then travel to rate and temple. So raden is the guardian of earth world in the same way that shang song is the guardian. I guess of ono sorry. Earth realm an outright. Yes i can't get those wrong so already has two the champions of with him the king and kung lao and they're sort of skeptical of the new champions but take them under their ramos. Start trying to train them. With the exception of sonia who they're like you don't have a champion mark so you can't really train with us Which will become a plot point later. Obviously yeah this is. This is one place where i thought this was like demonstrably worse than the first one because the first one redden's temple is shot on location in thailand. There's just a lot of very bad color timing ninety to it just like a lot of beautiful scenery. But in this case they go to like the middle of nowhere and then the temples primarily underground and entirely you know. Cgi painted styrofoam or whatever. It's not a yeah it's pretty cheesy. Yeah yeah i mean there's nothing in the original mortal kombat that isn't cheesy. But i was a little disappointed when they got there. I was like oh man. I thought we're going to get some nice location shoots at least but but no such luck so once they arrive the temple. We're sort of through the first act of it and then begins the training. Yeah we should measure that. Jack's is also there. He has metal arms now but they are bad metal arms. He does not like them. They look bad and he's having trouble getting used to them ass. He tries to train with the rest of them. So liu king and kung lao already have kind of superpowers that they use lucane can shoot fireballs and kung. Lao has a giant circular hat that he can throw around kind of like captain. America's shield and those powers are called their arcane a- and the idea now in this during the training session Kaneohe cole and jacks will hopefully have their akina awakened because of how intense and cool the training is it does not work really well except for with keno. Who gets so angry during an argument that he shoots a laser of his one of his eyes. Which i do feel like is a relatable feeling for most of us. Yeah we've all been there. Yeah but he doesn't learn at in fight club jurgen set like over dinner. The training is is just a disaster. You know colgate sliced up and That has the best joke in the series. Actually i think when luke hang fights Kaneohe sweep doing leg sweeps. Which is like the classic. I don't really know how to play mortal combat. I'm going to be really annoying to my opponent's strategy. Just doing that kick. And they literally pointed out right. Because cain like do you like that one move. Yeah exactly well and they also did the thing on the third try. Does the thing that you try to do to avoid it. Which is you. Try to jump over the leg. Sweep and just walk. Which is what you do with the video but tons it wrong gets knocked over anyway. I i can't think it's pretty rare that a video game movie will actually engage with the experience of what. It's like to play the video game. That i really liked that moment because they did. I think that's definitely the most kind of direct translation of the game play aspect. At least like there is a bit where liu kang does his signature. Like air kicks in the same way as well. There's a lot of. There's a point. I think in one of the fights where if it's i don't remember who does it but somebody does that johnny cage. You know punch to the balls thing but it's not cage thing in the video game of course was anytime you pulled that off the other character would scream in pain and a high pitched voice and they didn't go that far but there are a lot of people mimicking the exact moves of various characters which is cool to see so as training is going so badly shank song once again tries to do something devious and shows up at the temple with sub zero and a new character. Name my li well new as in. We haven't seen the movie yet. But not near the franchise named my lena. Yeah well that's no. But i what happens is shown shows up at the temple with his new assassins with his new team of assassins but riding directly. It doesn't work but the reason it doesn't work is because k knows switches sides. He has some kind of passed with one of chang's assassins. This guy named cabal. Who looks like a fallout three characters. Power i'm wrong. He's just the game cover. Yeah but those to make a deal whereby came joins their team and takes down the shield and then they all show up. And then we get the i kind of round of round of fights and that's cold versus goro. Jack's rico sonya versus molina. Lou is cabal and Rico is just as big tall guy with a with a hammer. Molina is Has these jaws I think in the video game. She's the part of some genetic experiment or other. I don't know anyway. she's monstrous anyway. Molina hixon his ass doesn't kill her because she realizes that she's not one of the chosen ones which leaves keynote to try to do that. And he drops a statue on her head uses lasers to cut off at you and then and then collides Tara who is this flying like vampire thing and that's another one of those reproduce. You know perfectly video game fatality. They just yeah. They didn't try to do it anymore. Like it's exactly as cheesy not accurate to human like. Yeah they hyped an atar up so much because she's introduced shortly beforehand like. Here's my newest fighter isn't she. Beautiful immediately gets wiped out because Kung lao throws his hat it turns into basically a circular saw. He throws her onto it. She gets vivid and then obviously he says flawless victory. Lay a finger on slice. It's a right in half and that was also a that was a good moment those movies where they just usually. I'm like Not a fan of you. Know too much Fan service or whatever. But but this movie i thought did that part of these various wealth i found i found the satisfied and i haven't played this video game since you know twenty thirty years whatever but anyway so well this is going on. We're also intercut into a fight back at a courthouse house because he has been sent back there because he failed to find his arcana news up on him and that is where prince. Goro shows up. And he's that four hundred s right for him so forearms clemson. Four arms grow recipe. And they have this just probably one of the worst fights in the if not just i mean gore. Cgi and it's it's it's as good as you could do a fight between kirk character. That's not yeah like all the fights between people are great. Especially because i think a lot of the cats are doing at at least most of their own stunts but when you're fighting basically cgi creature that's not really there. You can kind of the weight just kind of disappears from the fight right but what happens is cool. Actually in this courses fight discovers his which is some sort of bizarre. It's like armor that absorbs blows and the lexin punch back with them or something if it looks like it's not really clear how it works but his entire upper body gets a case in this weird metal stuff and he what causes him to do that is about to kill his wife. He stops that and just sliced the guy Gems blades through his eyes. I think in the old within an end and kills him. So now. everybody's got are kinda except for jacks who just has robot arms. But he's about to get those two because he comes back to consciousness after getting thrown in knocked out by radio. I don't know why you know They didn't finish people off but they didn't and he sees he's right next to sonya who is trapped under iraq. He tries to lift the rock offer and has a moment of. I don't know his his arms get gigantic and successfully does that now. He's jackson the video. Then i will say like power is like the ones that jacks and now have are so strange to me because it's like a power array where it's like you haven't there's you can't shoot fireballs or anything it's like you just have more buff metal arms in case it's like you can just throw your hat really good. Well that is true. There's well it's i mean. I think this is one thing. I think you're. You're a lot better off making movie like this about a video game series. When there's just one game ben when they're like eleven or whatever because you know you're looking at the last twenty years if these developers trying to come up with mildly different ways to play the video game whenever you know like So you have all of those innovations. i mean. This movie is full of characters that we don't know a damn thing out except that they appear in the games. And i think like if you had a smaller group of fighters in on either side as they did make the first movie you know you don't have quite as much exposition. You've gotta dump about these. But yeah i mean that seems like it seems like some people got a bad deal with the Their secret powers jackson particular. It's like just redesigned the arms dude. Like that's not something you had to find a secret power to get like you. Just go to someone and be like. Can you please make these arms. 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And now back to mortal kombat round too but the arms are strong at least because he just ruins is still radio is it is it is but before he does that like after he lifts the rock. We gotta get some right. After after his victory Pretty much immediately gets gets killed by. Chechen like just It's a good death. Oh yeah you to soul. I think it's i think it's one of the soul is my love that shit so good so yes. King tries to save him fails and riding warps everybody away before she finished that. The the The battle so this went. The surviving fighters are in the void of brian Which is an area washington. Can't follow and i'm not sure why they weren't training there but they weren't so know exactly and hear writing gives cole his ancestor hunzas weapon. Which was his garden. Trowel that he improvises into What's it called the kunai. Or whatever during his original fight in scorpion. Has that trademark thing. He shoots out of his hand. And it's cool. Yeah and that's what that is but anyway but the important thing is now cole. Has that item. And then they come up with a plan. Which is these guys. Don't want to have a tournament. They're trying to stop this before this before. They're trying to kill anyone before the tournament can happen They set up sort of their own tournament. Although it does not seem to be the official determine the fate of world earth realme tournament only in so much. Let's not die before the tournament. Yeah no exactly so. Essentially reading uses his ability to teleport anybody to teleport pairs of characters into mortal combat levels. Basically where they can do one on one fights like in the game so we get our final match ups here and that is sonny versus kano back at sonya's place and they have a fight sort of a prop fight. I guess it's it's one of those fights where they are using the environment in every hit. Yeah it's a pretty good fight because they're basically just ruining her trailer and everything inside and outside of it as they just tried to kill. Yeah yeah lots of laser blasts ultimately. He gets a chokehold outside in the garden and she mentioned to kill him by getting your hands on this garden known that in an earlier scene kano hip just sort of disgustingly spat upon. And you got the spin off of the thing. unstaffed through his eyes. So tony wins fidelity. She gets the dragon. Mark is laser arms a while she gets his dragon birthmark whatever on her shoulder and then later once you disrupt. Yeah she gets those like power rings. Or whatever yeah. So that's that's that's one fight. The other one is jackson reiko fight in somewhere. And jack's wins with. Jackson uses his robot arms to clap together over his head and smashes into oblivion one of the grocer moments of exact. Well it's one of those things where it's like. I mean you you dealing with the video game. That's like using whatever sixteen bit graphics to do the grossest things that they can imagine to get you know. Teenagers like me to keep pumping quarters. And that's not really an aesthetic translates too much when you're trying to do like photo realistic I like the the thing. I mean the original photo comment if you if you did one of the things where you got to reduce somebody to a skeleton like or they're a bunch of italians where basically bones would go flying everywhere and they're all femurs they're all like leg bones and then there's like a ribcage as one entire because they didn't have the graphics and like you can get away with a lot more than you actually trying to say. Well what happens to the human skull and titanium impacts of that. When you just clap exactly. I mean it could have. I don't mean it's not a gore festival it's not. It's not as great as you think. Mortal kombat movie would be. There's not a lot of body or or stuff where it's just like. Oh no it's just a lot of sort of you know painless a two second flying. Yeah exactly all right. So and then The other fight is molina is fighting. Coal is about to kill him. But then sony gets teleported back and discovers for our economy. Which are these energy rings. She can shoot from arms which pretty good power all it is. Yeah it is so she does that to molina. And you know rips wave torso and that likely giant hole. Enter chest that you can see through your spine through. I think which is also something. That's what i was wondering about whereas like so is the idea that it would only dissolve but not bone because there's the whole and then just the spine going from my understanding. I mean i don't have a deep understanding of it. But i have seen that image of the whole with the spine stale visible in some compilation of mortal kombat fatalities or or wherever. But it's not sonia as her in the video game. Her fatalities are all like military stuff like she summons drone in the head a million times or whatever well actually in the original game her like she blows kisses that like then turn into fireball things that that that have good for her. That's exactly exactly but in this one. I mean she has those energy beams but they're just like a regular move not like her her big secret so i think there were awkwardly combining a character with saudi. Who wasn't hers without really thinking through the actual what effect energy rings have on university. Bray thing you research is needed. Basically i think before they citation. Yes exactly exactly. yeah so. They've had these one on one matches and now they are. They decide that they all wanna team up to take on subzero because he's the strongest one and the biggest threat to all of them. Yes but they don't get to do that. Because of zero sets up his own terms basically Subzero goes to kohl's house and does we don't know what to his wife and daughter sierra arrived but then he shows up where cole is with his a strength bracelet that his daughter had made for him and coal infuriated follows him and gets worse off without anybody else and where they end up is cold jim from the original fight. But now it's frozen. So subzero almost kills cole in this fighting this ice realm then stabs him with honda's blade which still has late right. This is the best seat in absolutely the best thing so good and when he does that i should add that throughout this movie coal anytime he looks in the mirror has been having visions of hans. Heaven hell no yelling engineer. Whatever also awsat real real. Hamlet much shit. We forgot to mention that we also do see The fallout three man. Get killed by legal. Yeah that's right. King does both his like flying kick and his dragon thing or whatever and and pretty cool. Yeah that is the end of him but but not as cool as cool as s with hundreds blade. Scorpion arrives or i should take. Hans arrives or whatever but at this point. He is scorpion because he spent the last four hundred years in hell and then we get the fight of the game. Which is scorpion fighting subzero. Yeah it's such a good moment because We've discussed the mortal kombat theme a little bit. But it's really such an iconic song. Like i think any everybody knows even if you haven't played the video games and this is the one scene in which they actually use it and it's to such good effect because it's right bef- right before slash as you're seeing scorpion. That you really exactly what's happened catchphrase. Don't yet but but at least in yells good over yet. We got zero. It's so good. And this is the game where they this is the fight where they pack in as many animations from the game as possible like subzero does all his best moose like he does. The is already does a wall of icicles. He does the thing where you leave an statue of himself than the person that's about to slam into and vicky but But none of it works Scorpion no those game things. They're pretty cool. Most of them. I think from fatalities not like typical moves. I know that the one where you set up a wall of ice and then impale the person on it is one of his game enders but they don't work in this case because scorpions been dead for a long time as scorpion. Says i have risen from hell to kill you. Which is the coolest line as entrance. Line adopted myself also like here you sonata as like totally committed to it. He is a legendary actor. He's so cool. And he's also giving it ten thousand percent as scorpion which makes us really elevates this movie in my mind. I don't know if i go. So far as elevates. I'd say it maintains its hover or something but yeah no absolutely. He's he's great in. This fight is great. The best choreographed one of the most interesting one. Because it has a. I mean i would say like half of the trailer is taken from the sequence. The thing with making a sword a dagger out of ice way makes a dagger out scorpion zone blood and stabs him weapon. Yeah a lot of great stuff but it doesn't work get emails after this being like you said. That's so cool to. It's i mean it's worth it for something. You're so cool that you can only express their coolness by repeating so cool again and again and there's a we'd say that this movie is very much constructed to make you say that is so cool so it seems like we'll say yeah. When scorpion showed up more combat the kicked in. I did jump up from my seat and yell uris and start laughing because i was so happy. Yeah no it's a. It's an conic conic moment so many the spirit of sunni golf in the nineteen. So yes so scorpion. Scorpion kills subzero. He says you thought like i would die in hell in the fires of hell but it still learned to control them and he takes his mask off and then just breathes fire at subzero and just scorches. Yeah gonna say this for the ninetieth time that is also the thing from the video games. I guess we should mention this whole time. Subzero has basically frozen Kohl's wife and daughter in a similar way to what he did to hans owes wife and child And coal spends most of the fight most of the time while scorpion and sub zero fighting. He's just trying to punch the ice away from his family. Which is one of the weirder sides and this. I don't know what he's trying to do. And i don't know why he thinks it would work and i don't know i mean I i thought they were dead. Yeah it it's poor craftsmanship by subzero like he killed hunter without trouble. Made a little. Cobb this in this case he somehow has not killed them. He's just is keeping prisoner. I don't know maybe the thought is that. If they're still alive he will go and if they're not he wind up anyway doesn't make any sense. But there's a lot of very civil shots of cold just punching a wall of ice to no visible effect but once subzero is dead scoring those back to hell or wherever he is and colin stanley reunite. And somehow the gym thaws without any explanation. Yeah it's a very much like the curse. Lifted kind of hanging be right after severe showing some shows up in the gym. Well right and sonia king show up via lightning and they're all celebrating this observance de ching soon arrives and says death is only a portal in that the next holding art armies instead of fighters and writers like you you'll go back to world dude and zaps them away but then riding says that they have to make a sequel. They have to find champions. And then we somehow cut to the gym which has thought without damaging anything and cole tells the guy who was nothing. It's just it's clean. They had a. They hired a declining team. Or whatever without anybody knowing because the guy who sets of fights and his. Jim doesn't seem to know that. The fate of earth realm was just decided there. Yeah and he tells the guy that he's quit fighting he's not gonna take two hundred bucks lose fights anymore and he's going to hollywood and as he leaves. We see a poster for a movie called citizen cage starring only character from the original mortal combat. Not in the movie Johnny cage And so apparently he's going to assemble another team and ask us for another Fifteen bucks or months worth of hbo max to find out what happened out happily pay that for another model combat movie. If it's like this. I will happily continue subscribing to. Hbo max there. Who would you wish that they would cast as johnny cage. Well it's sort of the thing where the fantasy casting is. Just i mean johnny cage. I think was supposed to van. I think was the first one. I'm not sure but like like in the movies. They sort of have modeled after tom cruise. I would say either. One of those guys would be fine twenty years ago. Yeah for now. I don't know you'd you need somebody who has like a movie star when we listen to be talking about like the johnny cage. You need somebody who looks like sixteen bit video graphics and wear sunglasses really. I don't know what about you. Do you have a fantasy cast for johnny cage. I feel channing. Tatum i feel could do also was thinking about jimmy. Tatreau from american vandal. The first season He has made most of his career out of playing charming meat heads. So yeah no exactly. Yeah it's kinda weird. I don't know i. It was nice to see that thing or whatever but again this is just another movie. That's trailer for the movie that follows it sort of and that i wasn't crazy about. Yeah i love that aspect but everything apart from that was like just good enough for me to be like. Yeah that's pretty good attacks. My friends about it yet. Know exactly. I would say if you enjoy this you you should check out the first one. It's terrible i mean it's a terrible movie but it is very fun and it's kind of interesting to compare them because i i mean. I think they did a really smart thing with this. Which is that they do not spend a whole lot of time trying to make you believe any of the mythology around it like they because it's just it just doesn't stand up to it and the same thing is true with the other with the other one. There's less to do so they just don't make any real pretense of coherence or some kind of structured backstory. Because there really isn't one and this one. They have more of that to do. But i i. I was thinking about in terms of like. Did you see. God delivers his kong. Yeah i just watched it actually. Okay so that one right. You've also got like all this crazy backstory from the com- movies and the godzilla movies and all of that stuff that they're working into it but i think they took a different approach there which they they really try to explain all this stuff. It doesn't make any sense at all like that movie. Just one nonsensical explanation for what godzilla or up to after another and this just like. Oh yeah ancient cultures. Ancient whatever long running who cares for relatives and chaos. We'll just start with this. But we're not gonna make you believe in genetic memory or just and i think that's that's like you gotta keep in your head. What kind of movie you're making and if it's a ridiculous movie just just lean into that. These guys did yeah. It does a very very good job of that. Which i think is why successful like i think of the summer. Quote unquote summer blockbusters that we've got delivers con Mortal combat and also to a degree monster hunter like this one is the most successful out of the three. I would buy that. Yeah i I i think that's probably true. I mean i think it's i haven't to monster hunters i can't speak to that but But it's definitely a better than congress godzilla. Just because it's not trying to be a very good movie. Congress's occasionally isn't it doesn't work out. You know like this is where you wanna see scorpion. Y'all get over here and that's you do that completely deliver. That's what you gotta do. Yeah that's that's it. One of the things that i sort of liked about. This will sound extremely silly. When i say it out loud is that it was nice to see like so many actors of asian descent like put in main roles movie. That isn't like we're this is a movie about the asian experience like it's not crazy rich asians or the farewell or minority or anything like that And the idea that a movie doesn't have to be anymore. In order to have a more diverse cast was kind of heartening to me like. It's incredible to me that here. Yuki sonata and todd. Who asano are in this movie. Because they're like they're huge. They're legendary japanese actors and it's just fun to see them in like chin-han joe taslam lewis tan. They're all great lynn. Now i'm just trying to blame everybody so i don't leave anyone out point. Yeah it was a good cast of of fighters or some people are doctors. I mean jay baldwin was thought it was a pretty good. I mean. it's one of those things where it's like. How do you need. There's something for whatever be movie star you can. I mean the ninety s approach is not. There's no not a lot of racial representation in that also cool secondary cats like some of the people that we don't get to see Front and center both damon. Harriman and angus sampson very good australian character. Actors are in do voices in the movie which is quite fun. I like both of them a lot. Which was damon. Harriman is ball the fallout guy and angus sampson is guerrero. Got kabbalah is one of the ones where yeah of course the less they tell you about them the better because he's got like a new york accent and knows can't sense know he's gonna go. That far were brothers. And they're to do it. That's true. I think all the spoiling that we have to do or mortal combat so that our show. Listen so fun. Thank you thank you revenues. Great talking about please. Subscribe to the slate spoiler special podcast feed. And if you like the show please and review in the apple podcast or or wherever you get your podcast. 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The Flintstones, Varsity Blues, The Eternals, Mortal Kombat, Paper Girls, & The Mandalorian

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24:31 min | 2 years ago

The Flintstones, Varsity Blues, The Eternals, Mortal Kombat, Paper Girls, & The Mandalorian

"Whoever when a welcome to slash home daily for Friday July Twelfth Two Thousand Nineteen on today's episode we're GonNa talk with the latest film and T._V.? News this is slash home editor in chief Peter Surata during the Spycatcher Slash Film Managing Editor Jacob Hall Elo in Weekend Editor Brad Omen me it writer Chris Evangelista. Hello folks it's Friday once again happy times <hes>. We have a bunch of news to get to so what cooler it's been pushed back till Monday. Hopefully we'll get got to then <hes>. Let's first start with the foot stones which is getting a new animated series for adults Brad. What do we know yes? There's a new flintstones adaptation that is in the Works Warner. Brothers animation wants to bring the flintstones back <hes> they've really been pushing to bring a lot of the Hanna Hanna barbera cartoons back in a different way and this one will be <hes> working with Elizabeth Banks Production Company to make it happen. Unfortunately that's really all we know at this point. There's no network attached to it. <hes> and it's just a apparently some kind of original idea to make a new primetime flintstone series that will be geared towards adults now. The idea of gearing towards adults isn't necessarily a new concept because the original flintstones was essentially geared towards adults back when it came out it was a prime time animated network Sitcom it was intended to be kind of the spoof of the honeymooners <hes> I would imagine that in this case the idea of making for or adult means it will be a little bit more edgy and probably not for kids. The Classic Clemson's cartoon is Tame enough due to the time it came out that it's works pretty well for kids essentially since the ads for cigarettes that came out during the time are no longer attached tested those episodes but yeah other otherwise you know there's no specifics about what the idea could be. The one idea that I thought of maybe a new approach to the Flintstones is taking that family and somehow bringing them to modern day. I'd say that seems kind of of a departure of what the Flintstone is but it could still be an interesting approach to kind of make it a little refreshing but I know I know. Jacob has hasn't thoughts on this yeah a couple of years years ago D._C.. Comics ran a twelve issue limited series of a review of the flintstones written by Mark Russell and those traded by Steve Pugh and it was a deeply unusual and many of the panels and pages <hes> were shared online viral because out of context incredibly strange <hes> but even in context strange and it's a really fantastic <hes> cover book that uses the Flintstones iconography in ways that are very surprising rising and very adult oriented definitely not for children and to me if it was like the last word on the flintstones if it's like such a brutal inversion dissection of the Flintstones as a concept that I don't know what is left to say with these characters I mean talking about comic series or the gist. The gist of this comic is that the funds zones are from the first generation of Caveman cave people to have civilization they grew all grew up is traveling nomads bads their grandparents. All don't like the idea of settling down there the first people to have homes in the have cities and about adults trying to create civilization and the <hes> trying to grapple with the crisis this of being a human being in a civilized world at it is incredibly unsettling and funny and timely and I don't know what else is even left to say after that if the flintstones was originally meant to be a parody of of television at the time <hes> that comic took it to be a satire on human angst in general. I don't know what jokes are left. I don't know what references are left. I don't understand how you look at the comic and say Yeah. There's more to be done here. In any way whatsoever occur many people have not read this comic. Do you think this could be a translation of that comic in some way. Oh no I there's no way to make this comic. It is so specific and so strange doctors issue the funds. Don't always had the joke okay how have animals that are like you know. The washing machine is an animal. The vacuum machine is an animal undulating subplot about the two tools which are baby dinosaurs who live in the closet and struck up a friendship when they're not being uses tools and it's tragic and heartbreaking and really upsetting anders no way it's made and there's no way anybody has the nerve to <hes> take a fun zone comic series typing official zones product endorsed by Hanna Barbera. It is a eviscerating the hake down on the flintstones. I there's nothing left ear. Peter is is there anything left here the vitamin their mascots and I don't think you can have people take them seriously him as jokes anymore beyond beyond being either amass shelf or being like a really profound comic satire. I really don't know I don't know what the take is here. I do know that I grew up watching the flintstones and the jetsons and I enjoyed them a lot and I feel like there's nothing really on T._v.. Like that maybe I don't watch enough animated stuff like I know everybody says the simpsons but I don't I I think the flintstones had a quality to them that the simpsons don't. I don't know I suppose there's I suppose there's always a chance that maybe making like shift the rules. A bit with the family where we're like Fred isn't the one going off to work and we'll ms especially with <hes> someone like Elizabeth Banks on board as a producer Chris. Do you have any thoughts on this. Is there any way to do the flintstones for adults nowadays <hes>. I don't know they can they could like the flintstones is making that bedrock yeah. I don't think that's going to happen. It's never know stranger things have happened speaking of which they're making a Varsity Blues TV series. I guess but it's furthest new Q._B.. Network Chris voted me now. Is it Q._B.'s at Qube. I say quitting clubby Q._B.. I've I've got to go because it sound stupider. I like to say that the worst thing possible must be short for quick bite and that okay qube so quimby which is short form content streaming service coming out next year where instead of traditional thirty minute or hour long shows the shows are going to be broken up into sort of ten minute blocks. The idea is to appeal to people you don't have time to sit down and watch such a full show or and people who watch things on their phone you know stuff like that. So if that appeals to you you might WANNA check out qube and they're going to have a varsity blues show on there which is based on the nineteen ninety nine in <hes> football drama about high school football players. <hes> James Vanderbeek was in it. Paul Walker was in it <hes> The foo fighters music was in it. It was a big thing in one thousand nine hundred nine the commercials were were. We're on all the time for it and they're turning it into a show. I don't really know how I guess. They're going to do it like they did <hes> Friday night lights which is sort of like the same idea. I guess I guess I'm going to go for that and <hes> yeah what is what is the purpose of Versity Blues T._v.. Show nowadays in a world that we have had Friday night lights. I feel like that has captured that world in a better way yeah but Peter this is shorter so. It is it's going to be in quick bites so Chris. What if I don't want your quick bite TV show no boy but also Doug Doug Limon's involved with can't like write that off completely well? He's not doing the he's doing a completely different show yes doug. Lyman is doing a show called <hes> crazy talented and the basic premise is it's people in a mental asylum who might superheroes which is also the same exact plot as glass so <hes> I don't. I don't really know how that's going to turn out yeah. I'm not sure maybe maybe I'm really wondering if we're going to subscribe to this I mean you own when you run a streaming calm or streaming columns for slash film. Are you going to subscribe to Qube. Oh no probably I can't see that happening but like think about it Chris Crest you you don't have to invest our of your time. You just gotTa invest like what what is it like. Just a few minutes plus didn't Spielberg doing something for Quincy. I my plan is whenever the Spielberg thing is available. I will email qube and say please give me a screener of this. That's that's my opinion qube. Okay let's move on to marvel of rumors. COMECON is gearing up next week in San Diego and a lot of people have been speculating on what kind of announcements are going to have including casting rumors for the internals Brad what we do yes people can't wait until COMECON happens next week to find out all the news that Marvel Studios has plans <hes> and there've been some rumors circulating for not even just this week but just kind of over in in recent months about certain cast members joining the movie the eternal which is will help expand the cosmic side of the marvel cinematic universe. There's been reports from trays. There's been rumors that popped up online elsewhere from <hes> less reputable readable outlets to the biggest ones have been rumors that Millie Bobby Brown and reports that to me on Yanni will have roles in the internals <hes> with Millie Bobby Brown this rumors been kicked around for a while but it only recently recently became reinvigorated because variety did this whole spread on maybe what to expect and what might happen at Marvel's comic con panel and all of a sudden people started running with that like oh I'm going to be in the journals and we got so big that she felt that she had to address on her instagram and a live video that it wasn't something that she and her family knew about so if that's happening than it's maybe it's like a last minute deal that Marvel's going to try to do but it sounds like unless she's very good good at lying and keeping a secret that Millie Bobby Brown probably won't be in the internals Kumail Nangiani on the other hand that was a report that came from the trades and he was recently asked by variety as well about his potential involvement. He did the standard. I can't really comment on that. But of course it'd be excited to be in a superhero movie. What gives us a little bit more evidence? That probably is going to be in the journals is there was a recent men's health profile about him and he's been working out and working with a personal L. trainer because he realized that the the one thing that was keeping him from getting <hes> bigger leading man roles and like doing more action stuff was the fact that he was not you know in super great physical shape not that he was out of shape necessarily but he's not toned isn't a lot of muscle work so it sounds like he's probably doing the same kind of thing Chris Pratt to get in shape <hes> for guardians of the Galaxy and then Kevin Feige he was asked about these two and he also said he's like he's like those these great actors that ain't GonNa firm right now. The additional name that he was asked about was Donnie yen who has also been rumored for this movie by the same kind of thing where they're just not ready to announce anything yet and really basically we just have to wait until comic on to find out what they're gonNA tell us. I think maybe all your Brown's. Liar I think she'd give me onstage comic with you. We'll see we'll see <hes>. I'm really curious what they're gonNA show us a COMECON and I think I finally realized Brad that the only thing that's keeping me away from being in a marvel cinematic the University of them is I'm not working at so so media doing that debt salads okay. Let's move on to mortal combat <hes> they once did a mortal Kombat movie. I think some people consider sitter it to be the best video game movie of all time. I'm not sure if that's true or not. No no no way no way people consider it to be their favorite like if you go most of them. If you look at this on the Internet it is up there that resident evil level and I think like maybe tomb raider. I think the top three I think it's just thrown them all. Even that's not a great movie yeah <hes> well looks like they're gonNa make another mortal Kombat movie and this was GonNa be rated R. Jacob. What do we know yeah? We know about this mortal Kombat reboot for some time at James Wan of conjuring command famous producing and commercial director Simon McCoy is making his directorial feature debut at it and it's still a little ways away. I think we're expecting a twenty twenty one release date but screenwriter Greg Russo tweeted since it's already been stated by other members of the team. I'M GONNA put us on the bed. Mortal combat will be R. rated for the first time ever fatalities will finally be on the big screen. You have the movie and see so those we don't speak video game fatality refers to combat fighting game where two players face off you know pummel each other bits and once you get a player you enter a series of button presses justice department before fatality which is an incredibly gruesome bloody. <hes> spines being ripped out heads being knocked off people being skinned alive brutal way to declare the me is world famous was put on the map and competed the P._G.. Thirteen Birla combat and thirteen sequel annihilation are very much children's movies whereas the whole appeal of moral combat in the nineties when I came out is that if transgressive it was saying kids could play it was so gruesome hardcore over the top that Congress literally used as a whipping boy for the beginning ministry it was it was played like literally in front of Congressman to try to explain why videogame rating system so we've come full circle here the game series known enforce violence is finally getting violent adaptation that arguably deserved more combat unless you being edgy and his violent as humanly possible I'm wondering is this a problem with video. Game movies that you know Hollywood is wants the I._P.. They want to they want the fans that are excited about these properties to come over and buy tickets but they end up at like adapting these things into things that don't it closely resemble the original product and <hes> you know I think we had that problem with comic book movies and the earlier days and <hes> video game movies like you know you're getting stuff. That doesn't quite capture what what the video game is like. Are we finally getting around to the age that that Hollywood is getting it like the reason why people like mortal Kombat was the fatalities and stuff. I hope so I mean real combat is the appeal of it it is that it's incredibly violent. Take stuff incredibly seriously but it's also incredibly stupid knowingly so and it's such a bizarre combination and something that I really hope they can pull off. I'm not sure the exact approaches reboot is taking but if you can capture like the most recent games especially have have really leaned heavily on story and character in a way no one expected and away that are actually pretty satisfying so I think there is actually a really good movie mind here. You take the enter the. Dragon format of fighters from different from around the world entering a tournament some fighters alter dimensions. There's a big fantasy twist and you played all straight faced <hes> but knowing the <hes> but but be aware that is all very silly. I think they see the capture that balance which is tough and I am curious to see if they can pull it off here but you know what I hope they do. You know what they need. They Need Zach Snyder. I feel like he unknowingly pull that off like you know he wouldn't think he's making a a silly movie. He'd be pulling it trying to make it seriously and I feel like the result could be exactly what you described Jacob. I mean I have no idea I've always acted humor whatsoever but I think the accidental one so yeah you know what bring it on <hes> you know and also I hope this filmmaker <hes> McCoy D- <hes> David fincher may commercials before he directed good so you know what Mr McCoy. I'm ready for you to impress me. There's a lot of filmmakers that started out in commercials Ridley Scott even a Dan Trachtenberg who is making the uncharted movie so there you go <hes>. Let's move onto paper girls offices a comic book series Bryan Cave on <hes>. It's very popular in the age of stranger things and now it is getting TV series from Amazon Chris. What do we know <hes> yes paper girls setting the eighties got kids kids on bikes so even though the comic series predates stranger things I am almost positive Amazon who now have the rights to a paper girl series sat around and said we need our own stranger things? What can we get and they they went for this sort of similar to how they sat around saying? We need our own game of thrones. What can we get and then they they spent millions and millions of dollars on Lord of the rings so I haven't read paper girls because I had this weird thing with comics where I don't read them until their run is finished? I don't know why just like an O._C._D.. Thing where I don't Wanna read if it's ongoing I want like I think one of them is coming though tumor issues almost Chris all right well when it comes to an end I will finally read it but I just don't like starting reading something. If I it's not finished I just have a thing about that but but everything I've heard about it has been really good and really positive and even though it set in the eighties it it's not like nostalgic for the eighties stranger. Things is <hes> you know it's more about showing that the eighties weren't as as good as people seem to pretend they were <hes> so everything I heard about it is really cool and it will probably make a good T._v.. Show if you know in the right people are involved Stephanie Folsom who co wrote tour story four is is writing the script so i. I don't know if if she's the right person for this or not but I guess we'll say I would stranger things came out. A lot of people people that were not a fan of that first season. Were like you know if you didn't like stranger things you should read paper girls and I read the first <hes> volume of this and it is great it <hes> is it a spoiler. Ah Jacob to say that this involves time travel or is that part of the premise departments by wouldn't say how time travel is involved yeah <hes> but I you are a big fan of the series right. Oh it's phenomenal. I'm all caught up on edge. My seat the final few issues it is. I like strangers there. I see stranger things. I'm not caught up but <hes> paper girls is everything. I want stranger things it'd be. It's assaulted right way. It's critical in the right ways. It uses his eighty setting to critique the past the future future and the present the sci-fi concepts are wild all four lead characters. These peop- delivery girls in the eighties are instantly like wonderful and they're demanding make sense if they can pull this off they can capture the comic. This could be like the next big thing I'm. So excited about this I love everything that Brian K Vaughan rights so I mean if you have not gotten into comics and you're putting off because you don't like the tights like I feel like he's a great entry point into that kind of stuff like Sagas so we're if you like sci fi bye bye you want more Weird Star Wars. You want more weird. <hes> I suggest Saga I love you know y the last man which Hollywood's been trying to turn into move your TV series for the last you know what six seven years now and <hes> paper girls is fantastic. What what else would you recommend from Bryan Cave on X.? Mocking is a series about a ultimate history where a superhero prevents the second tower coming down nine eleven and gets elected in your your elected mayor of New York City <hes> based on celebrity liberty after that anti political series where a guy superpowers tries to keep <hes> New York City you know head to head above water post nine eleven and it is maybe one of the best pieces of art ever seen the deal with the aftermath of that of the timber beloved tax it is is that finished because I immediately went to read that to finish it's done. It's available and widely. It's wonderful all right. I'm going to get that now. There's also I remember reading a book from his but it was more like artsy in poetic. Oh etiquette was called like <hes> pride of Baghdad is that right yeah probably back to real good yeah that was about. I think it was based on a true story where this lying escaped on the streets of Baghdad and like basically imagines the story story of that is that is that right because I think I read this like over a decade ago. Yeah the American invasion of Iraq and <hes> the Baghdad Zoo <hes> is is hit an abandoned and falls a family of lions as they escaped from the zoo and wander round bombed out city trying to survive and it's heartbreaking yeah. It's really good. It's not one of those things that I think could be turned into a movie or TV series perfect as it is a comic but I would highly recommend that as well okay our grasp of news the men delorean <hes>. Is it going to get a second season. Brad apparently Disney things it will or is hoping it will <hes> Jon Favreau is making the publicity rounds because he directed the lion king and it comes. There's two theaters next week and while he appeared on Jimmy Kimmel live this week <hes> there was a brief discussion about the man delorean which John Forever executive produces and also wrote and even though the first season doesn't come out until until November when Disney plus makes its debut as a new subscription streaming service. Apparently he's already working on a second season. He said that he's writing it right now and that that does give some hope that Disney's confident in the series <hes> you know the reaction was break from Star Wars celebration earlier this year where we saw the first footage from it but at the same time this could easily just be you know planning ahead you know just in case it is I I would imagine Disney's probably still waiting to see how audiences react to the first season of the man delorean before they really officially give the green light but they probably still want to know what Jon favreau has. <hes> you know I in store for the the story as it would continue beyond the first season what we do know. Is That d twenty three next month. We're I'M GONNA get another preview this for any get <hes> some previews on the show floor as well as <hes> in the presentations there at twenty three I will be there so we'll have coverage of that then cool yeah so it will be a lot of new stuff about the Mandal Orien- and soon <hes> hopefully they'll be an official trailer released so the everyone who wasn't star wars celebration <hes> can can get a look at it. You saw that softened. I talked about it for the podcast but you are really amped up after seeing that footage right yeah yeah I was super impressed by the footage. It felt like <hes> original Trilogy Star Wars Fan Staff Ahead head style to it all all the cast was fantastic in the today show <hes> and so yeah. I'm excited to see what what they do with the series well. I hope we get some more information as John. Favor makes the publicity around for the Lion King but that brings us then for this week you can find more of all of our stories in today's show notes. 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Mortal Kombat (Directed by Simon McQuoid)  Get Over Here

Show Me the Meaning!

57:31 min | 3 months ago

Mortal Kombat (Directed by Simon McQuoid) Get Over Here

"Hey what's up buddy. Welcome to show me the meaning. Wisecracks movie podcasts so off combat as pretty good those pretty good. that was pretty good. I am austin hayden. And i am joined by the show me the meaning crew. We have raymond and coming back after a couple of weeks absence. We have ryan what film fans excited to talk to you about in k. Yeah what what a film bring ryan back in for right it is the streaming smash hit that. Everybody's talking about We're gonna be talking about the reboot of mortal kombat is directed by simon mccoy in his feature directing debut. It stars louis tan. Jessica mcnamee josh lawson mccaw brooks ludi lin chin-han a bunch of others. Let's go around and let's get some first impressions. We'll jump right into this here. What was the first time you saw. Have you watched it on repeated viewings. Let's let's start with ryan welcoming him back to the show ryan. What were your first impressions on on the of mortal kombat. Well full disclosure. I didn't watch it at wire. Speed is the real question. I watched it a full speed. But i i had never seen the original mortal kombat film rights over one. I think a lot of people are comparing and contrasting a between the two. I didn't have that comparison. So i was going in fresh on and play the video game. Obviously i'm more of a streetfighter man. i'd say same. No big deal but But i have grown to love the shit out of the mortal combat video game cut scenes just like watching to see how weird and gross in fucked up the murders can get. That's always fun. However i wanted this movie thinking about mortal combat as murder simulators very fun. Oh yeah the people that work on. Those films has to be psychopaths. Well if you talk to remember. Tipper gore and all of them in the censorship controversies. There was a big controversy about that. I remember in the nineties right that that it was like super violent and stuff like that so it was murder simulator in their mind. Okay yeah but that was. That was nothing compared to what the mortal combat sar. Today they took such an insane. You have play the last couple moral combats it is it is it is like just the imagination that takes to come up with the ways that they murder people. I'm very impressed with anyway. All this is to say. I want the movie very fresh and i like to pretty good be plus a lot of people. Wh i was amazed a lot of people telling me that they love the shit out of it before i saw it. I had a lot of people saying that they hated the chevette. But that i should see it which is a sign. I like that and so it seemed to be a very hot or cold. You either loved it or hated it. And i definitely am in the. I don't think i loved it. But i definitely liked it a lot like i thought it was a fun. You know jared the wise crack founder. Jared's even has like. Is that even movie. I think he wrote on facebook or something. Yeah i kind of agree like the move. The definition of movie was stretched here but it was a whatever it was. I had fun watching. What did y'all think. Sorry i rambled. Raymond what do you think brother. Yeah i am like many folks. A few weeks ago flocked to home. Box office max to see what all the buzz was about with this new mortal combat. My girlfriend's a big fan of action movies. So we figured this would be a fun. One to just kind of put on in the background while we were eating dinner and That's pretty much what we did. And i think for what it was. It was fun that opening sequence between sub. Zero and scorpion is Is really well choreographed. I think it's well realized in. It's an interesting way or intriguing. Way to sort of bring folks into this universe and then after that. The movie kind of settled in to what i had more or less expected it to be which is a little bit of dialogue. Here mostly to set up the next fight and you know by the end of it. I was just kind of like sitting scrolling twitter on my laptop a checking going on one and a half speed yet. But i wasn't planning on doing a podcast about this movie i was. I was just planning on listening to it until someone started to get their ass. Beat and then. I would pay closer attention for the two to three minutes at that was happening. And then i would just go back to having it on in the background and like i said it was. It was absolutely fine for what i had anticipated. A distracted me from the fact that i was going to die for two hours and basically forgot about it as soon as the credits rolled. Didn't think about it once until we found out that we had to do it on the podcast city. You re watch it. No i got it. I got the gist guy in blue and yellow who spent centuries beating the shit out of each other. I mean it's all there you know you. What's on the box. I will say. I like. I like some of the stuff i'm not. I'm not trying to do right or anything. Like i said i think for the movie is trying to do it. More or less accomplishes it. It's it's a fun actioner. There are some really great visualizations of the fatalities from the video game You know the guy throws his hat in the sand and pushes a body through like a buzzsaw. And i just remember those awesome. Yeah why can't captain. America do that in the marvel movies. That would be so much more interesting to me. So yeah i mean there's there's some cool fun action You know some some fatalities. I guess the big question. I had coming away from this. It's like this fucking hard r. rated movie being made for like this weird new demographic of you know adult babies like us who now have kids of their own and want to sit down you know. Watch a version of this movie that they grew up with and just kind of enjoy it. And it's weird because there's there's a lot of weird kind of comedic aspects with With kaneohe that seem tailored for a younger audience but the violence is so aggressive in the movie that it is like. I'm i i. It's so funny to see them. Try to make like a marvel style for quadrant pleaser. Out of the most violent video game ever made or at least for its time But yeah it was. It was fun. And that's all i have to say about. Yeah so my experience. Was i put it on not having much hope for it and i put my these headphones that i'm wearing now my beats on right and i set up my computer on my bed and i was cleaning my room and i figured okay. I'm going to clean the room and do my stop. And then you know like i'll pay attention. Whatever s going on and honestly the opening scene. I stopped everything i was doing and i just like sat on my bed and i was just engrossed. I loved it. I thought this opening scene. I was like man and then i tweeted and said. Do this film rips. I thought the opening scene was so cool and then the rest of the film happened. And and i was like i was like victory. God hey can we just go back to that world seventeenth century japan please. I would much rather just stay in that world. I get it. That's not the story. They have to get into the tournament aspects. I thought maybe they were going to do like some cool narrative story like that was going to be tied to like a prequel almost or or maybe some other. We're going to bring us into this world and i was like. Oh man this is so freaking cool. I was like i'm and they had a little bit of crouching tiger you know the guy flying into the trees and so it was kind of supernatural and elevated but still human and like blood lineage. Feuding people's and i was like man is so cool and then i don't know what happened but they hired. How do i say this kindly other. Say there are so many brilliant actors in this world. There are so many enacting class with them. I just had a workshop. There are so many beautiful talented diverse actors in this world. We should hire more of them. All i'm gonna say to tech what you were saying austin. There's is there an aspect of that that i think because you know. I think they've already signed a lot of these actors to four other movies. I heard us In the universe route to me it would make sense that they would do like you were describing a full-fledged kind of scorpion versus subzero thing and you kind of hinted the the larger universe or you end with a big cliffhanger that brings in another recognizable character. That could be in that same timeline. I think that would kinda of be a cool way to an unexpected way especially to open up a mortal kombat universes just focusing on one or two really iconic characters and and just have a story built around them rather than having it. just be a punch out. You know okay before we get real quick before we get into this. We gotta get into the synopsis. Let's keep thoughts in mind this just first impressions and we'll kind of start. Tearing apart the film talking about things. We love to sit around the other side of this synopsis. Here but let me just give a recap real quick okay. so basically. The film opens in seventeenth century japan. Where by han. And his crew slaughter the warriors of the rival ninja clan lend led by hans zoa. Sashi honjo was killed by by han which condemns his soul to the nether room. But then reagan shows up and saves hans owes infant daughter to ensure that the family line will continue so then we fast forward to the present were introduced to col- young a former champion. He and his family are attacked by by haunt who now goes by the name subzero because coal is part of the earth realm champions who are prophesied to defeat the out world in their death match. That's called mortal kombat before cole and his family are killed by subzero though. Jack's rescues them and tells cole to find sonya blade so kohl's call tracks blade down and she explains. That cole wears the dragon mark which destined to be part of this centuries. Long feud with the help of k no then they find redden's temple and are introduced to the current earth room champions liu king and kung lao the temple is then attacked by out realm out world leader shang soon and subzero but raden fends them off after this. The earth champion struggled to bond while also trying to unlock their unique special powers. Cain unlocks his ability to shoot a laser out of his. I call however struggles to unlock his power and raden reveals. That cole is a descendant of hasan. When kohl's family are attacked his are cana- that is his special power becomes unlocked which gives him a suit of armor. And a set of taunt foes which basically bad ass melee weapons cold and devises a plan to get all the out world champions and do a single combat event raden then gives cole his great ancestors could i while the earth room and the outer world champions fight and then sub zero kidnaps kohl's family to laura him into a one on one fight but then when kohl's blood spills on the honjo is released from the nether realm as a vengeful scorpion. Spector who uses the famous line. Get over here. Which was a really fun moment. And i was just waiting when he appeared. I was waiting for him to say. I thought it was going to say it in the first scene and he didn't did he. Maybe he did. I don't remember but he definitely said at this at this culminating went and it was kind of fun a fun little easter egg moment. That was realized anyway. Scorpion helps cold. Defeat subzero freeing kohl's family but of course jackson redoubt vows. Revenge and reagan begins plans to train new warriors for the next tournament. And the film closes with coal heading to hollywood to track down the famous martial artist and movie star johnny cage perfectly setting up a sequel cha ching all right before we continue. I wanna give a shout out to this week's sponsor story blocks story blocks is the place to go if you're in need of premium stock assets. They have millions of high quality video clips audio tracks and images. That could help you. Complete your student film youtube video podcasts stream etc etc etc whatever kind of creative medium that you're on with their affordable subscription options. You can choose the right plan for you. And if you're just working on a podcast in need a few soundbites or music tracks or anything like that then you can just grab those sound bites and go with their unlimited all access plan. You can download as many things as you want from their library. The best part. Is that once you download an asset. It's yours to keep story. Blocks is constantly adding to their library so there are always new options to choose from so check out everything in their library today by going to story blocks dot com slash wise crack or by clicking link in the show notes now back to the show. Okay so let us get into the film here ryan. I cut you off before we went into the recap. What were you going to say. I was gonna say that. I think that they did. I would argue that. They did kind of Do you guys said that. They didn't do about the setting up with a kind of prequel because they obviously didn't have mortal kombat tournament. Which was the whole reason for being of this series or or In every game. So i think that they basically were like. We're going to introduce you to this new character get you invested in him. We're going to meet all of our friends along the way that we know. Get a bit backstory about each of them give familiarize and then the second movie johnny cage and our main character. We're gonna go to the actual tournament and i think they've kind of set it up. Culture wise a perfect for that because everyone was super this movie or at least it was everyone i knew was watching whether they liked it or not. Yeah it's definitely it's marmite kind of film people either frigging love it or they frigging hated which to be honest in this day and age kind of means. Well at least they're talking about it. Right i would. I would say to to counter your point ryan. Because i have seen a lot of folks either complaining that there wasn't the tournament in it or like you just said it. It's more of a prequel energy. But i think structurally there's not a whole lot different than if the movie were just the tournament. You know they have all these like narrative pretenses to get them. Siloed off into one on one battles in these weird and ethereal locations like. I don't think the tournament version of this movie would look all that much different. You know if if rate and turn to the camera when he was spiriting them off to two different realms so that they could fight each other one on one before teaming up against zero and said like and now it's time for the tournament like it would be exactly the same. You know it. When when i was talking about like not necessarily that my ideas any better like i'm an idiot but i just like the notion of zeroing in on you know one or two of these characters and just building a story around them and seeing how their powers interact with the world at large rather than having them have to come into conflict with other empowered beings. Yeah i feel like well. There's a real difficulty in taking a video game just in general making it into a movie but especially one that isn't designed with a built in narrative right like like they're adapting the last of us right which is an extremely narrow title video game so it just lends itself to being a series right now. It doesn't mean that it's going to be successful. But it seems to be much more when i'm when i'm playing the last of us you know that i'm engaged in almost a a narrative experience in narrative event but when i'm playing mortal combat. I don't play mortal kombat for the story now. That doesn't mean that they have been beefed that out in subsequent and subsequent video games they have they've added more story elements and of course. There is always some sort of narrative but it's essentially not a narrative driven story. So it's a real frigging difficulty to then be like okay. How are we going to take this game that is essentially about just these one off battles of people fighting each other and how are we gonna create a the classical three act story our structure. Save the cat kind of thing. How are we going to do it. So that people can have the best of both worlds where they get the bad s moments of combat but then at the same time we also give them a little bit of something that they can hitch their wagon to. You know. I think. I think there's kind of tell their austin because the the thing that people really well far be it for me to wonder what people really enjoy about the games. I've never been like a fighting game fan. But even i am familiar with these characters. I'm familiar with at least the major characters that have been around since the early rations of the game. I'm familiar with their skill sets and their powers and things like that and you know. Marvel has spun out whether you like him or not. They've spun out like thirty movies with distinct narratives none of which are drawn specifically from one comic book or graphic novel. They kind of just take the the design of the characters. The overall gist of the characters. They take their their powers in their skill sets and they build new narratives around them. And i think especially because there is a another film version of this one that i've heard a lot of folks prefer over the new one or at least people have some fun this for it because that movie does a good job of giving you the tournament. If you're going to remake re adapt to reimagine this universe i dunno it. Just maybe you can take those those characters in those skill sets in and build something new around them without having to to serve that notion or if you have like the v movie in this five movie series that they're planning be the tournament movie or fourth and the fifth movie are built around the tournament. You could take your time and actually build out the universe and get you invested in these characters other than just like they're just the characters that we know or more essentially more just like designs that we know because well let's think about no gestures to characterization the games actually make let's think about this though. What the brilliant thing they did is kind of what ryan said setting up for sequels but also in an age of platform development brand development. I can see a tv series based on the daughter that is rescued in seventeenth century japan. Where basically we just follow her now in. What is her life about like living in the shadow of of the kind of slaughter and massacre of her family. And how does she try to come to who she is so we can get all of these possible spin offs with these other characters. You know you can have a whole thing about coal young. Maybe a tv series. So i get with that. Probably what they're trying to do right is develop all of these characters introduced them so that they can have all of these spokes branch off of this new hub. That is the brand right. But here's i think those things. Well actually maybe be more interesting because then you have time to really develop like the singular character and then that characters weaknesses and overcoming of their struggles and all the typical things that draw us really to engaging with like a compelling story whereas this one is much more like. I'm just gonna fuck in. We're just going to throw everything out there. And then we're going to set it up and it's a slow burn like we're developing our assets. Here hold on wait like like give us ten years and in ten years we'll look back and be like. oh man. remember the reboot like. They really built their brand. Well and now we have all these interesting properties. i think you're out pretty much spot on their. They looked at this as one. The very first cog in a in a very large machine. And we're like what in the see one stands alone movie i will. I'm glad you brought up. Save the cat earlier. Because i i. I think this movie murder. The cat would be a good film. Because basically i in a way. I like how they didn't just people trying to be ruthless and say like we stop the tournament and stuff. they're cheating basically. This is about cheaters and and murderers. And they're kind of setting up saying none of that. You can't trust any of these people. No no no matter what they say and so they've been set at the world. Pretty good i do. I was mortal kombat. Sure but i think in the end you're right in ten years ago. That was genius. This is this is this is. This is like beta. This is like mortal kombat beta project. This is a product launch. But it's like a real like a slow rollout you know and we'll wait and see. It's like tesla the first one comes out. Gets people kind of excited but it's pretty faulty but there's a lot of promise we'll wait and see these lithium batteries. Are they going to change the world. What about the solar panels all spacex. Okay there's something going on that's kind of what we've got here. I think you know exactly this. This is one of those movies that wild fine for what it is. I think it kind of I watched that video. That you drop today austin about you. Know the the hubbub that martin scorsese marvel fans always seem to find themselves in that. You know that film twitter's mortal combat between those bodies but there is something. I think kind of presumptious. That always upsets me when these movies come out. We'll chat for a second let's come. He's referencing The most recent youtube video. That dropped where i talk about. The controversy between score says he and marvel fans were score. Says he said that yeah. Yeah i made a video. Where i remember when score says he said that disney marvel films aren't cinema and he basically likened them to amusement parks or theme parks and so i made a video on my youtube channel about that and and there is something about the idea of amusement that that gets derided by classic filmmakers right. But here's the thing like just because something is amusing or something isn't cinema. That doesn't mean that it's bad. So like when. Jared said like this isn't a film right or that's not a movie like maybe maybe that's okay. Because maybe the landscape of what we call media is totally shifting. So it's certainly visual media its digital media but is it a film and then what are the stakes of even having this debate right like. Why is this just at some point. It just like a bunch of pretentious. Snobs that are like i'm trying to gatekeepers. On what art is. I don't know i know. I think that that whole thing is a big misunderstanding. Say was just saying we need both. Can't we can't all the movie theaters. Can't be ten ten showings king congress. Godzilla you gotta have something that is moving the soul and some adults you know whatever the hell he says you know says it. So that's his whole point is is that you gotta have room in the cinema for the kind of movies he makes And but also. I think there's something to be you know Said george lucas and steven spielberg saint point. That essentially there shouldn't be like forty movies made a year as opposed to one hundred and fifty. And we're going to have and they're going to be big special effects like reason you know some reason that they're made on the big screen either star wars or marvel movie and then every once in a while it'll be some novel thing. Oh yes we'll see this. We're drama in the movie theater. I ain't gonna happen them. You're going to see the shit on. Hbo max this is one of the points that i bring up in the video. That what happens is you get like this funneling system where everything bottlenecks and it just becomes the same the same the same and this is kind of crowds out the possibilities of making prestige dramas or other things because they're not gonna get funding because they're not viewed as like viable financial assets right and that's my big concern. That's that's the concern is that it's going to crowd out that. But then here's the flip side to this right. The flip side is but with the proliferation of new platforms and streaming services like netflix. That are basically giving blank checks or at least they were. Maybe a little bit less now. Just giving total creative freedom to creators into to producers artists. There's going to be a lot more opportunity for things to be created in other forms. The question is is the is the age of cinema where you go to the movie theater to see prestige drama or the indie darling or something like that is that on its way out and then what are the consequences us. Yeah that's that's the issue. I think it was just a it. It sounds like you've probably got into it a little bit when i was gone but One of the things that always a little presumptuous to me is like well we're going to have you know five movies to figure out all this shit so fuck it. We'll just kind of like do whatever in in the first movie you're gonna take time like in in my mind. One of the things that can sort of rest back. That distinction of is cinema is entertainment. Is it amusement like whatever you may think of a marvel movie your immortal combat like i think one of the things that could get a little closer to the cinema column is just saying like okay. We're going to focus on giving this one movie of beginning middle and an end and in getting a story on screen that plug into to piggyback off. What i think. I glad you said it because i do think that mortal kombat is committing a sin of cinema by ending in such a cliffhanger way because i'll never when pirates of the caribbean to ends and it's literally johnny depp. Captain jack sparrow and he's jumping into the giant fishes mouth and you think oh shit about to go down but it just like seeing next summer i wanted to kill johnny depp and everyone who made that movie. Because i'm a you can't into movie like that. As opposed to the first movie which i think has a wonderful setup for for future installments. It doesn't do anything specific. It just suggests that they're still adventure out there. They're still ends before that in the movie ends and then it's like oh yeah and they also were pirates and there's more out there i mean i'm cool with that kind of ambiguous ending that's fine. It's but like literally jumping into the fish's mouth. Your main character is he gonna die. We'll see next summer. I don't like fuck you. That should be illegal. Give half my ticket price back. And do you think this film committed that sin with its cliffhanger. I think that now. I'm so used to it. That's why i'm glad you brought it up. This is years later ten years later. Probably that i'm so used to it. Of their building a franchise that when a thing like moral combat comes out and then it's a bunch of fighting going all right you know. We're going to meet with johnny cage. Next nothing really got. We didn't even have a mortal kombat mortal combat in the sequels. Am i as mad as was a while ago knob as much but it is kind of like. You're not giving us a stand alone movie but you are giving us a lot of fighting. Which is all i can ask them for a mortal kombat movie at the end of the day while the pool. Cgi blood okay. Raymond try to try to finish. Finish your thought here. We'll see if we can get you. We got the internet back on. What were you gonna say. No no i. I think i covered the basis and ryan dovetailed quite nicely off of that. I share your sentiments about that right. I think this movie. No no keep going. Keep going keep going. No no i was. I was just gonna say this. This movie doesn't quite commit the unforgivable sin of like if you care about any of these characters now they're dead maybe and come back later to find out. They've all been signed for four years but it it does have the very intriguing cliffhanger of there is another guy somewhere in the world who exists and you have heard of his name and that to me is just top storytelling absolute. I'll that's just an easter egg to keep people to keep people salivating for more exists. Yeah that's right all right so before we continue. I do wanna give a shout out to our other sponsor. 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And of course there's also linked down in the show notes all right. Let's jump back into chatting about this film so okay. We talked a little bit about what makes a movie a movie in stuff like that. I wanna share an anecdote so and this might be a generational thing. i think. There's something interesting here. So i i help some kids with some acting their little future disney stars right and i helped them and i teach them acting and i helped them with self tapes auditions and stuff like that and their parents are from l. a. And their producers and stuff. Like that and i was chatting with the dow the other day. His name's peter. So we'll just say. Peter and peter was basically saying that he doesn't understand this stuff that his boys are constantly consuming the to thirteen range and he just doesn't get it like they'll be like data check out this video or they laugh and he's constantly like a what do you like about this like there's nothing there and their response is always. Oh it's funny or persons funny or something like that but it's always emotional response. It's always about affect right. And peter and i were talking and peter was like. There's just no story anymore. There's no narrative storytelling. It's all simply to just drive impulses and to increase those dopamine hits right so it's funny. The editing is slick. The sound bites are clever and quickey. It's like vine vine sized or tiktok sized video things and this and i'm not shitting on this because i'm on tiktok and i'm into this sort of thing. But the question is is there like a generational rift between traditional storytelling. And then what we might be able to even say with mortal combat like maybe mortal kombat narrative elements are hidden in the background. In favor of these emotional hits like the sound design. I thought was really cool. With regards to the fight scenes at really like sparked me like whenever whenever a when i was cleaning my room up and stuff like that would pull me back in and i look over and then i'd be back in it again. So there was something about like sound affect dopamine like excitement waking from my anesthetized state. there's something interesting about maybe what the future of media is doing more so than with previous stages did and maybe that's why a lot of people are finding it to be hard to connect with it because they're still stuck in like. I just want a linear narrative. Just give me like two people struggling about some sort of human conflict. The great conflicts of of storytelling between like like humanity and nature humanity versus human rights arizona. That's sort of or person versus self all those things right. So do you think there's something there that can kind of. Maybe shed some light on some of the controversy. Here i can hear you. Can you hear me. Hey listen the gods. The gods of the out world are against us and this earth realm champion trio fighting against them to transcend the limits in our own battle of more. Connah's going to be able to fix this stuff. Yeah i was gonna say my is Desperate hastily rebooting skype trying to chill out my dog So what i was gonna say is that you know. Storytelling is in a constant state of evolution. You know people wring their hands about the deaths of the death of cinema every year. There's a new think piece out whether it's from Spielberg or soderbergh or Martin scorsese or whomever and i understand the the sentiments because the idea of of what they perceive also but what they perceive as cinema in the like the christopher nolan or quentin tarantino like capital c. Sense that movies are to be shot on film and projected on film and enjoyed with an audience. And and i love that and you know. That's that's why i do what i do. That's i think why we're all here today because we we love capital cinema. But if you look at like austin for example. We've referenced your recent semi viral tick tock experiment where you played the pots and pans with your dick There there may not be a whole lot of like meaning to delve from that. But it's it's consummate visual storytelling. Like you can. You can follow the narrative we see a subject coming around the corner. We we see we see you slip. Can you hear me now. Yeah we see like a visual punchline. Sort of being paid off. I mean there's just just because you know the storytelling on something like tiktok or instagram. More economical doesn't mean it isn't storytelling. It may be less ambitious. A less auspicious but i am really excited when i see a lot of videos floating around out there that indicate someone has this incredible grasp of storytelling on a on just a natural inorganic level. And that that. I think is pretty hard to teach. And it's kind of cool to see so many kids teaching themselves the basic the basics of a visual vocabulary and storytelling just with the phones in their pockets. Kinda like i am. I am amazed. I'm amazed at the talent that is out there on tiktok like i'm in my thirties. So i'm like considered old for tiktok. But man i every time i go through there. I'm actually amazed at how how people can master the tools of editing. Like i just had a friend of mine today. Message me she's She's a photographer and she was like like what video editing software doing and and everyone they don't understand the to learn these languages and i was like yeah it is a new frigging language to learn these things and we have people who are like seven to twelve years old who are already mastering this form of digital editing and like like putting clips together and doing like a remix his and stuff like that in mishmashing things like that's a very high level form of creativity you know and they were weaned on that vernacular in the same way that you know. The film school brats were were weaned on a cure for brain for the way that you know j.j. Abrams was raised on Amblin entertainment. I mean all of this all of the stuff is kinda like transitive in. It's it's really neat to see people picking up that ball and reiterating on it. I think yeah. I totally with you guys are saying. I am glad that people are that. We have a problem with with people getting into new and different ways to tell stories. That cinematics and stuff. I think like y'all tiktok is a perfect example of that people will will watch anything if his funnier shocking or surprising. But i don't think any of this really applies to this movie mortal combat. I do think it is a badly told story the end of the day and the whole point of the whole reason its purpose for being is just the cool violent action. You're either into that you know or not. And and that's where. I think scorsese when he brings up stuff like it's it's an amusement park ride. That's really what he's talking about is that you're going to have a story you know. Move you with a Through characters then you're coming for the spectacle essentially is what he's saying you know. You're coming for a specific reason. The violence and and this movie delivers pretty. Good on that. You know okay. Let's talk a little bit about this. Let's talk about the violence. Then ryan or your big martial arts. Love film love right. So how does this film stacked up. Like what makes good martial arts film. And how does this stack up marshall. So it's pretty visceral. It's just like you're watching it like fuck. Yeah i was cool not intellectual at all. That's the best part but obviously there's people who are. Actually you know i. I'm not people who are actually into martial arts in the mechanics of it. Which i am not i i cannot. I cannot tell you. The different styles judo. Or that's kung fu karate. Taekwondo sorry all fighting to me. But i still i dislike it. You know and yeah and but one thing about this movie Me and my friend greg. Talking about there is a rope. The beginning of that first awesome fight scene. There's a cool you know. He has a knife a rope with a knife on it and that has rarely in movies where you see somebody swinging around the rope with a knife on it and make it look that cool. That was cool with a knife on it. Seen i would say for for martial artists on the flying guillotine. I think what makes a great martial arts film is Yeah i mean you may have come to expect this from me by now but it's the same thing that makes a great movie in general or great action movies Which is you use action to develop character. You use action to tell the story. And i think there are moments in this film. Where that's that's on display. I think i sequence that first sequence that we've referenced. A few times is a perfect example of of using action to develop character. Jackie chan is the master of this like so much of so much of his movies in his characterizations in them. And he's he's a disciple of buster. Keaton who i think is just you know the the the cream of the crop when it comes to developing character through action and you see that as kind of i'm trying to think of someone who's done it as well as they do edgar right actually. Does it really well with with using the camera to communicate character. You know his his movies while often action. Heavy aren't the same kind of action as a buster keaton. Jackie chan. But i always i really appreciate when cinema to me is my preferred art forms. My favorite art form because it is all the art forms together there. There is drama there is music. There's composition and sound and lighting. There's dance there's movement. There's physicality it's just all of the above like if you can dream it. You can film it and i think that there is a tendency in this film to sort of vacillate between those those things that you get a few scenes like for example kaneohe in sonya. Blade's fight is another good example of this. And it calls to mind dumb. Daryl hannah verses thurman in kill bill volume two The the big fight in the trailer. you have a clear sense of who these characters are what they mean to each other. And they're not just there to fight they actually want something from each other and that's at the basis of any good narrative is just conflict. What the character wants. What the character needs how they're going to what tactics are going to use to realize their objectives like those are just the basics of storytelling. And i think they pull it off well in a lot of fight scenes in this. And that's why it's such a bummer. Why at the end. It kind of seems perfunctory. How they just go. Well everybody's gonna fight now. Just fuck you off to that bridge and you guys fuck off to over there and we'll get back together in the ice palace so we can take on the blue dude. Yeah it does feel like there's something different when you think about like what. Jackie chan is doing which is much more of a choreographed dance and elements of physical comedy Then i'm just simply going to rip your skull out which which this film is definitely more on that ladder that latter end of the spectrum right. Not that there isn't crossover in that. There's no dance choreography of course courses but it's the intent behind it right. It's what is driving. And i feel like the when you watch a film like rumble in the bronx. For example. the thing that makes those. I mean there's issues action scene after action scene and they are long action scenes. And you could. You could be tricked into thinking. Oh it's really light on story. But i actually think that the way the reason the jackie china's so is because all of the dancing and the choreography are more like physical expressions of the same journey that the character is on right rather than. Here's a story pause a fight and now let's go back to the story because that obstacle was it's almost like you're on a path and then they step off the trail for second to go to a lookout and then they get back on the trail. Right where's the jackie. Chan film is like the lookouts are interwoven into the path. Rather than having to step off the trail for a little bit. Yeah yeah fights in an action. Movie should operate the way that commute. Musical numbers operate in a musical. Which is a d christianity going to a point where there is no other choice but to fight or in the terminology of a musical. You you get to a point emotionally were you can no longer express yourself in the you know the common tongue. You have to sing something. Something new to this universe has to come out of you and speaking of edgar right. I think scott pilgrim. He does that really well like they treat. Those fight scenes like musical degrees. Nope no one looks at each other. After witnessing a fight scene in the same way no one looks at each other in a musical after they've done this big choreographed number and goes wow. That was weird just kind of came out of nowhere. It's just like a universe where people express each other through these supernatural fights and you're either with it or not and to finalize the jackie chan comparison to me. It's the creativity of his fight. Scenes to where not only are they. Expressing every single beat is expressing his character. But it's like you're like you look at his surroundings and he says stuff and like wow he. He uses his every single thing. The environment to not only make a funny Karate move but then also like you're saying it expresses his character in some way. So you and i wish more such. Oh yeah that's all sure yet Communicating that that sense of personality through the fights and not just a sense of like. Who's move is who's move. I will give them credit. I thought the part where. I think it's luke king kind of like spams keno. When they're practicing he does the little like ground leg sweep three times in a row in the same way that you might with with your buddy. Who's a newborn whatever. Yeah jack. Jackie chan and and In buster keaton are are so great at doing that thing of like they're just perennial underdogs and they find all of these incredible ways through through the composition and storytelling to one. That comes to mind is a short film. That buster keaton made called cops a really famous Short it's probably easily accessible. Because i think it's in the public domain and there's one scene where there's a long ladder that is balanced on a fence and there's a group of cops on both sides of it trying to pull him down because he's just sitting in direct middle and he's kind of trying to evade them at first but then when he realizes they're essentially working against each other he just like takes a seat and chills out and it's one of those great moments in movies to me at least because it communicates everything you need to know about this that while he's the underdog with regards to the numbers he has that sort of like bugs bunny cleverness he has an edge over the the competitor and it kind of being nice to to see how that sort of craftiness or that environmental stuff would play into two more of these fights in mortal combat. I think the trailer fight does it to a certain extent just because it's such a confined location. But i love those fights like in in the bourne identity. Those those movies where it's like okay. I guess i'm just going to beat the shit out of you with us book. Because that's what i have here like. That's that's another example of what. Jackie chan does so well is just like well. I have like this pot led. Or whatever like i love environmental stuff like that and i think there are some creative aspects of this movie but a lot of the fight scenes are just kind of built around like. What's going to get us to the recognizable fatality from the video games. And i wish they had just kind of gone their own way a little bit more. Yeah what happens when you treat something just purely instrumentally like you get through the thing so you can get to the thing right. It's treating it as a means to an end in this is never ideal when you're trying to be expressive or to make any kind of connection right like what ultimately seems to be a richer. Way of living is treating things as goods in themselves. So when. Jackie chan uses the pot or the environmental thing or when jason bourne uses the pen as the weapon. The reason that's so cool is still a goal to defeat this other person but it's not just purely instrumental. There's something valuable about every moment that that person is living in that world yeah it makes the environments into characters in awake last movie the the environments are just backdrops the way they jones essentially exam you brought up rumble in the bronx. And i think. I can't remember if it's that one i think it's in rumble in the bronx. There's a sequence that's built around like a bunch of discarded. Refrigerators and you get the sense that yeah that stuff is just like occurring to him in the moment and that's the same one with pinball machines that they're pushing into each other and i remember him like swinging that freezer door on the top of the bridge raider into somebody's face and just like cold-cocking them into a full like bicycle kick and there's there's so much cool environmental stuff in there that you know it ryan when when you were talking about earlier it's it takes so much work and effort to make something. Look that natural in that effortless. And if you watch the behind the scenes stuff of him working with his crew. Like they'll do a christopher nolan or david fincher or stanley kubrick amount of takes just so that he can kick this thing in just the right angle the bounce off someone else's head and then a finnish. The scene with like a quick look. That really sells the moment rather than just being impressed with himself. Which is what most of us would do here before before. We kind of start to to wind down the episode. The title of this podcast is. Show me the meaning so ryan. What is the meaning. What is the meaning of the mortal kombat reboot the meaning. Is that Life is about which and that at any moment you can have that you're gonna suffering people are going to get an isolated shit's going to happen. You could at any moment. You can get a moral dragon tattoo and be involved in this insane mortal combat experience. And what are you gonna do. How are you going to react. And are you going to stoop down to k knows level and be a piece of shit or you going to rise up against it and you know Hanging out with your homies and try to take down the bad guys. That's kind of what this is about and it's also about making a ton of money for. Hbo yeah raymond what is what is this mean i think on its on its basis level. This is a movie about how people are. I mean this sounds sappy but when you're left with something like this you kind of have to reduce it a little bit too to find the heart and i. I think this is a movie about people discovering that they are stronger together than maybe they are as individuals. And you know you bring up kaneohe ryan. He's a perfect example of someone who is such an individualist. He's so driven by his ego. You know he earned this brand. Whether or not he earned. It and sonia resents that because she she feels. She has put in the legwork. For this and i i think there's some interesting stuff there. I mean it schlocky. Sure is it over-simplified cher but i do like the notion of. I turned my girlfriend at one at one point. We were watching this. I was. If i didn't get that fucking thing i'd be happy as hell. I don't want some guy chasing me around and trying to stab you with an ice pick. Like nah i'm not interested in this. This is sure yeah with this. This movie is about. what's the. I'm probably going to butcher this. But i'm paraphrasing the quote that you know sometimes a people choose to be leaders. Sometimes leaders are chosen by a moment or by circumstances and in some ways. That's this movie you know. And that's a lot of like scrappy. Underdog movies like i could say the same thing about rocky i could say the same thing about lord of the rings like it's a tried and true story trope but there are times in this movie where i think it's mostly effective cool cuckoo. Well let's jump into the mailbag here before we send everybody away Think about what we're going to look at next week. If you want you can give us a call. You can call us at one. Two one three five three four eight zero seven. That's one two one three five three four eight eight zero seven and you can leave us a voicemail either commenting on mortal combat or anything in our back catalogue of course asking a question. And we'll address it on the air. Of course we don't want to leave a voicemail or you can't leave a voicemail you can also email us movies at crack dot. Co that's movies at wise crack dot. c. o. So the first thing i want to do is that albert wrote in about nomad land and first thing was basically said you did all this discussion and i'll talk about what his his question was about. No madeleine in particular. But the last thing i wanted to know was what do we think should have won the oscar like do we think nomad land should have won. What was the best picture. And and what our thoughts on that so raymond you go first and then ryan. Since you weren't here last week we'll give you a second to just have a thought and then go ahead. What do you think. I think the academy should be men and women of their words and not take the coward's way out by nominating movies. That did not play in theaters a full week. Or whatever the stupid regulations here. Yes even independent. I have i have. I haven't watched the oscars over a decade i. One hundred percent would have tuned in. If jim carey were nominated for best supporting actor for sonic the hedgehog and invisible man won best picture which it should have i may i may be a little bit biased. Here i'm i'm a big fan So yeah i like honestly. I'm not even being glib out of the stuff that was nominated. i really appreciate a judaism. The black messiah sound of metal. That was probably my favorite movie of the year. I think it's a bummer. That steve mcqueen's his his five film experiments on Amazon the small acts series wasn't a viable for oscar contention because i think lovers rock and mangrove both phenomenal films So out of the out of the nominated ones. I would probably say Sound of metal or juiston the black messiah but according to the oscars own rules. I would say invisible man look at that. That's hot take ryan. Okay i'm gonna go my hair movie of the year and there wasn't many movies i saw last year. I usually see a shit ton of them. But i love the documentary boys state if anyone saw good flick. That was my favorite movie. That should win the best picture as far as i'm concerned if that movie doesn't get best picture that i'd go with palm springs the andy sandberg comedy. That'll that's shows you. A kind of a year was when that. That is the runner up so was it. Was it just a bad year for films. No i think a lot of most movies released right. The isn't that the like like the held back and And then you're right even with streaming. There wasn't many. I loved from last year palm springs. So they're kind of an asterisk like you know how they have like short term like sports seasons and there's like an asterisk there like all but it was a lockout season. So is there like an asterisk against nomad lands win here. I don't know. I mean it feels like the kind of movie that could have been in contention in any year. Yeah no it's it's pretty awesome. I liked it a lot. Yeah i thought it was an interesting movie and ryan you brought up palm springs. I think that's another movie that it was nominated for best original screenplay. Wasn't it or did it did a donations at all. That seems like the kind of movie that because it was such a hit on hulu and it came out early in the pandemic in weirdly. Kind of spoke to what a lot of people were experiencing lockdown with. Having that sort of groundhog back. That might be an interesting movie to do on the podcast austin coop. I'm keen okay. Last thing i wanna do is i want to read an email from a donnie because this is like one of my favorite emails that have gotten it actually has a really interesting suggestion and i just wanna put it out there and we can. Let's we'll we'll let it percolate. But i think is really interesting. So donny. rights. Young listener just turned sixteen. And i really love the way you guys break down and explain movies. It gives me a lot of perspective. Because i really don't understand or pick up on things in movies like two thousand one space odyssey or there will be blood even though i like them a lot. I just don't know anyone who likes those movies either. So listening to people talk about it and going in depth super helpful. I don't know how you feel about bringing in newer people on the podcast or how that works. But i thought it would be really cool if you brought in a younger person. I think that the differences in age and generations would be really interesting perspectives to hear from especially with older movies or movies that allow room for interpretation. I thought that would be interesting. I think this is a really cool idea. What if we brought in like is there. Is there like a. there's got to be i. Just don't know zumur. Film reviewers would get lights camera jackson who i don't know who this is but let's can do it and let's get near jackson. Is this this guy who's been reviewing movies since he was like eight. He's you know he was. He was brought onto like some red carpets here and there is like a novelty and sort of put his foot in his mouth on social media. A handful of times. But that's that's lights baby lights camera jackson. He's i think he's the world's youngest film critic and one of our finest for sure well perfect i say we just throw that out there and consider that because i think that's fantastic and either way. I love that young people can enjoy this. I know a lot of high school film. Teachers actually play the podcast for students and so I love it i love. I love it. Well pressures generation Anyway before we get out of here where can people find you on the internet. Raymond you can find me on twitter and letterbox time at crematoria. Sweet and ryan ryan's shorts on youtube going to be releasing a editing to to'real here this week so check on by it's red wines cracks sally and thanks for that latin last email was awesome. I would love to have a younger person on the podcast. Do yeah compare contrast. No austin we're we're can we see you play drums with your dick guy. Played them first of all. I apologize for the the hammering just started so but yeah go to my youtube channel. My name austin hayden. I just did a video on marvel films in disney films and how their financial assets did a video last week on black mirror. I'm doing videos every single week by me on twitter. Find me on inside the find me on. Tiktok austin dot hayden my shits fire anyway will send us out of here brother. This podcast slash.

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Iran plane crash: Evidence jet downed by missile

Global News Podcast

27:38 min | 1 year ago

Iran plane crash: Evidence jet downed by missile

"Hello this is the global news podcast from the BBC World Service with reports and analysis from across the world the latest news seven days a week BBC World Service Service. PODCASTS are supported by advertising. This is the global news podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Alex Richardson and in the early hours of Friday. The tenth of January. These are our main stories. US reports say Ukrainian passenger plane that crashed in Iran was shot down by anti-aircraft an anti-aircraft Missile System Queen Elizabeth and other senior members of the British Royal Family is said to be working with Prince Harry and his wife Megan as they step back from royal duties and how satellites in the night sky causing problems for astronomers also in this podcast. We wanted to be really quick to react to this news. That has gone worldwide already. How London's famous Madame Toussaud's Wax Museum reacted to the Royal News? We begin this podcast with the mystery of how the Ukraine International Airlines flight crashed near Tehran. Airport early on Wednesday Wednesday morning killing all one hundred. Seventy six people on board today. A senior Ukrainian security official volunteered for possible theories. What might have happened including one that is now crystallizing with many commentators as the most likely explanation that it was brought down by a surface to air missile? The passengers On the plane included more than sixty Canadians. Many of them members of the country's large Iranian community Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau made made this announcement. We have intelligence from multiple sources including our allies and our own intelligence. The evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by an Iranian surface to air missile. This may well have been unintentional. This new information it reinforces the need for thorough investigation into this matter. Correspondent Netafim is in Toronto. I think it's interesting that on on Wednesday. The Prime Minister Justin Trudeau wouldn't rule out. A missile strike was the cause of the accident and today he said that the government's preliminary conclusions based on the the available evidence was clear enough to share with Canadians. He didn't go into what that evidence was but clearly the Canadians are in agreement with the US intelligence officials who believe that the plane was most likely unintentionally brought down by Iranian surface to air missiles. Now we have reports that the the US had a detected radar and then satellite heat Signals from the two missiles. We didn't get that kind of detail from the prime minister but he said this was the the reason a credible thorough investigation was needed. He is still pressing for Canada to have access to the crash site and said that Iran was Seemingly open to that they did get signals that they would be okay with Canadians. Involved and also Getting Canadian of consular officials visas to get to Turkey to assist with the repatriation of Canadian. Nationals there yes and he as you said talked about this possibly being accidental unintentional as a statement from Downing Street here in London with with words to a similar effect is the Canadians are others being castle to to frame it in that way. Yeah absolutely and a a number of times during this press conference. The prime minister was asked to give could he definitively say that this was in fact an accident. He said that he couldn't be sure of anything. Anything that's why again. He was calling for a credible investigation. He you know pointed out the fact that The cause of this will cause more grief before for the many Iranian Canadians. Here who suffered from this of course there was one hundred and thirty eight people who were on their way to Toronto Sixty three Canadians others were international students. who were Studying here so he is well aware when he gives these statements that these are people wanting answers At the same time still very much mourning. The loss of loved ones Taufik in Toronto. Geog goal works for the BBC's Persian service he told James Kumarisami how the Iranian government has been reacting to the accusations and they say they believe the plane had engine failure. He was on her way back to airport but the pilots they didn't send and any emergency signals to the airport. And they believe that was the cause of the crash and even some media closely Iranian government. They say oh this is a conspiracy spread by onto your of luminary media. We we hear that kind of rhetoric coming out from Tehran and anything. On the level of cooperation they're going to give to the Canadians Ukrainians. Well the Iranian investigator. They said they have found the data recorders. The block boxes sixes but they said they are not willing to handed. Over to American which Boeing the company is base that we have to wait and see how much pressure Russia could apply and Iran and make them to hand it over but also having in mind this. This thing happened just a few hours ofter. After Iran fired twenty three missiles ballistic missiles from Iran to American bases in Iraq. There was a rumor at the time. Maybe one one of these missiles have hit the plane but that was ruled out because the missiles were fired from the western Iran from Kermanshah the province of Kermanshah which which is close to Iranian border with Iraq is five hundred kilometers far from from Tehran. But we hear it from one eyewitness. He was a soldier he. He said he was in one of those military barracks he said they have seen three missiles. Were fired at the plane. One hit but at the time yesterday. We really couldn't confirm this because it was too difficult for us but we were hearing this kind of voices from Iran that it may have hit by UNTO missile aircraft. Because don't don't forget the Iranian Iranian anti missile system. They were on highest alert. Possibly they were expecting some sort of retaliation by American also. We were hearing a lot of rumors on on the media. That American fighter just have taken off from United Arab Emirates toward Iran. So possibly possibly if this happened they may have mistaken for fighter jets. And what about those who are on board the flight. That's very sad story. She if you look at the names teams of those people who have been killed particularly those people who were Canadian. It's seems to me. Most of them they wanted to get out of the country before possible war between Iran and United States started even one of them said tweeted before boarding the plane. Pray for me. I hope before I leave the country. War doesn't start. GR Go from the BBC's Persian service now to a story that continues to gather steam the decision Asian by the Duke and Duchess of Sussex to take a step back from the royal family. The move by Harry and Meghan has been called everything from rogue royals to a right royal disaster. And Max it. So how's it playing out in the UK. Simon McCoy spoke to our royal correspondent. Sara Campbell Campbell. At Buckingham Palace statement continues to make headlines around the world. I can tell you I am surrounded by international news crews says no more official comment today. Okay from Buckingham Palace of events which Catherine the Duchess of Cambridge happy. Thirty Eighth Birthday But after that initial terse statement Last night nights there is a sense that things are already moving on if you like and our understanding is now that so within the Palestinians a willingness to make this work. Not just for Harry and making full but for the entire royal family but it will be complicated. The financial aspects are particularly complicated. Because what has to be avoided is it's any suggestion of cashing in on the oil name which which has affected other members of the Royal Family in previous years and this precedent for this really for such a high profile member and the royal family to step back to become part voile hop private so still many many things to be worked out. I'm a lot will take time something that hasn't taken time the British public deciding where they stand on this within hours. Madame Toussaud's Wax Museum in central London. Move There Harry and Meghan wax figures away from the rest of the royal family to the celebrity area there spokesperson class. Tracy told us more we try to always make sure that we're mirroring what's happening on the world. Stage here in Madame Toussaud's London so waking up to this news with everyone else we felt now is the time to we reject what's happening in the royal family within our attraction we live in a world where it's a very quick news agenda now. We always want to stay on top of what's happening in the celebrity celebrity and public profiles lives and make sure that's reflected here so that's what we were doing now. We wanted to be really quick to react to this news. That has gone worldwide lied already and while the response here in the UK has been mixed and Megan's home country the US reaction has been more positive. Laura Podesta is from. CBS S. News in New York and also spoke to Simon Megabit is trending on twitter. And it's a decision that Americans are interested in a lot of responses on social media are of course worst tongue in cheek but Americans are looking at this also in a more serious way we know that Prince Harry spoken outwardly about his struggles with mental health. Both we all saw what happened to his mother and the with the Paparazzi. So there's a lot of understanding and sympathy for Meghan inherit to want to leave the intense microscope of of being a part of the British royal family in trying to carve out another way of life and a Lotta speculation about what that would entail which of course she has acting to fall back doc own if she needs to do that but but what about Prince Harry. What does his gestures about how they can make money over there? Yeah well for. Yeah you mentioned Meghan with acting a lot of Americans are obsessed. You could say with the Netflix series. The crown are wondering if she'll be able to play herself in an upcoming episode We also know that making us to have a lifestyle blog the tig that she might WanNa get back into writing in order to further. MONETIZE that In summer speculating that they both could create a production company or create a production the deal like the obamas recently did with net flex of course Prince Harry has his own private inheritance from his mother and Meghan reportedly made four eight hundred fifty thousand dollars a year working as an actress before she got married. So both are in a position to not have to rush into finding job and will really have the opportunity to pick and choose what they WANNA do for work and of course take the time. They need to establish their new charity which they talked about in their instagram post. Suggested the Prince Harry could think about becoming an uber driver. Well of course on twitter. There's lots of suggestions about what he could do. Open a restaurant go to work like the rest of US learn how to meal prep and do taxes all the boring things things. Then US commoners have to do Laura Podesta speaking to my colleague. Simon McCoy now problem shining brightly in the night sky. Sky Satellites yes. Astronomers say that the communications devices orbiting the earth of making a skype too bright and are interfering with the telescope's apes view of the sky. Meanwhile the aerospace manufacturers space x says it's committed to finding a solution to this. I asked our science correspondent Jonathan Amos. US How much of a problem. The brightness of satellites is these particular satellites of very bright indeed just happens to be I think the way. See that the satellites configured what they're made of the way that they fly means that when they're released from the top of a rocket they look extremely bright. I mean a much much brighter than the brightest unnatural artificial objects that are in the sky currently and when the come off the top of the rocket sixty at a time. The locker. Great train of Paul's if you like moving overhead and that's deeply worried national community because they're looking at the sky and then all of a sudden auden these bright lights start crossing the field of their detectors and these satellites are. They are important because they're going to bring Internet all sorts of parts of the world. Where at the moment? It's it's difficult but if it's going to cause these problems for astronomers all this solutions out that to mean everyone can be happy. Well I hope so. It's not just they're bright is the fact there are so many of them also. It's not just basic so that there are other companies that want to get into the same game so there's a company here in London Call One MHM web. It won't launch as many satellites about six hundred fifty. But if you add that to the many thousand SPACEX launching Jeff Bezos. The boss of Amazon is a bit of a Space Geek. He wants to do the same thing. He has very deep pockets. And he's talking about thousands of satellite. So you know today today. Just put this in context. Today there are two thousand operational satellites in orbit in the space of just a few years. We are going to double triple quadruple. We are going to dramatically increase the number of objects in the sky and when they catch the sun at dusk a dome very bright indeed. So there's any limited time to sort out say. Sex are launching these satellites at a rate of about sixty. Every every couple of weeks one web will from next month. Start Rolling out thirty-odd every single month so there is a very narrow window now to try. Oh and get this sorted out. Jonathan Amos still to come in this podcast. Some of our relationships could conceivably superbly have a life expectancy of more than eighty years. Why quarter of couples in the UK don't live under the same roof? In China. There are reports that scientists have identified a new virus which could be from the same family which produced the deadly saws strain. The new virus is said to have caused a mystery outbreak of pneumonia in the city of Wuhan. My colleague James Menendez has been hearing more from our East Asia regional editor Celia. Ah We have fifty nine cases at the moment reported in Wuhan seven of those cases. Those people are said to be seriously ill. All all of those people are in in in quarantine we also have a further twenty one in Hong Kong and there's one person in South Korea who's being monitored who recently traveled from Wuhan Hunt so this does appear to be spreading in some way and there's the thinking that this is some kind of new viruses emerge them that's the World Health Organization is saying that a new Virus has been identified. It's in the same family of viruses as SARS with which you had mentioned which which really spread across the world. Thirty countries in two thousand isn't and three stars was particularly deadly among those who who caught it. It costs seven hundred and seventy five deaths in her in a really short span of time until it was contained tained. That's really why the authorities are on alert Because of this virus it seems to be coming from the same type of source so Most to the people who have the virus in Wuhan were workers at a wet market. That's the kind of market that sells live birds and fish and so many of those. And that's really how SARS came about as well it was workers in a wet market This kind of virus. The Corona virus is the type of iris that jump easily from animals to humans and the World Health Organization saying now is that this virus can cause severe illness but at the moment it doesn't seem to be easily transmissible between human human to human and that's giving them some some pause for for for for cheer a little bit Worries in particular because people into those people in China are going to be traveling. That's not right soon. Yeah that's right so tomorrow is the start. The official start of the Chinese New Year travel period and this year. It's thought that they're going to be more journeys than ever before around three three billion individual journeys around the country ahead of Chinese New Year around the Chinese New Year period Chinese New Year's Eve is on January. Twenty four th so really see. This is the time of the year when the when the health authorities do not want a new mystery virus to be circulating around and it really is cause for concern because It's unclear whether the lessons from SARS from two thousand and three have really been absorbed by the Chinese authorities East Asia Regional Editors Selahattin parts of northern. India have been witnessing an unusually severe cold spell this winter over the past few weeks cities experienced record. Low temperatures with foggy conditions affecting air and road travel. The capital Delhi recently recorded. Its chillier. Stay in more than a century among the worst affected thousands of homeless Amos people who live on its streets practitioner guilty Al reports from Danny a cold winter winter night has set upon daily it slightly foggy and I have come to a small homeless settlement. Where kids are building and our DOT COM? I am file desperate to keep warm. They're trying to survive one of the coldest winters that north India has seen in decades. Recently Delhi recorded its lowest temperature in a century with a low of less than three degrees Celsius. India's homeless people are suffering the most including large families with children Rixon Bigham lives on the streets. The husband and five children. She describes her ordeal. We sleep sleep under a plastic sheet. We have one mattress and one blanket to share amongst US and my little one keeps getting sick because of the cold. We are poor the people. Where can we go? government-run shelters are overflowing because the space and them is just not enough for for the city's fifty to sixty thousand homeless people. I have come to one of Delhi's biggest homeless shelters run by the city government. People people are queuing up to spend the night here to escape the cold weather outside there are about four hundred and fifty people here. Some of them watching a movie V. On television all huddled around mattresses and blankets provided to them. But it's still a struggle to keep warm unlike western countries. Buildings don't have century heating and people don't usually wear thick winter coats making it harder to cope. Jeff I have never felt so cold ever before being getting cough cold and fever as I have asthma. So I'm really suffering and not being able to work properly. I feel if I sleep outside on the streets will die. That's why I came to the shelter. So why are there such few options for the homeless to survive the Cold Suny. Kamara Lydia is from the NGO you. Center for Philosophic Development has set a demon he the government only the except to the crisis in winter. There's no concerted policy to protect the homeless from the cold. Lack of space in shelters is a huge problem and the government hasn't even made an appeal to make sure that the homeless brought to the shelter. India is ready seen extreme weather in all seasons. This was also in hot too stayed on record. According to the government report. It's clear that India stands to be one of the country's most affected by climate change given its huge population and poverty poverty levels which means cities like Delhi will need to urgently find sustainable ways to protect its people from harsh weather conditions and practitioner. Guilty our reporting they say that absence makes the heart grow fonder the new study here in the UK seems to show people testing that theory out with more than twenty five percent of adult couples. Now Living Apart Lucy Beresford author uh of happy relationships told my colleague. Tom Hager why people in relationships might choose to live alone. There are a variety of reasons financial so often comes into play but it can also be time of life because a Lotta people are now getting together much later in life perhaps after a previous various marriage or a bereavement and the himes Aurora de established of two people coming together who will radical properties of their own. I'm what we see. Increasing increasing the is there are more people who are living apart together and making it works themselves instead of it being an obstacle which is what a lot of us in our twenties so when we go out together and you know he gives him one last at Union. Another new spent Riceville socialist shouting when you're going to see. Nowadays people are actively choosing this arrangement. And so these young couples. He's on older older couples deciding to to move apart because it might improve their relationships. Not necessarily that's true. It's across the spectrum but it is also he later in life. You perhaps have decided that second time around maybe even said time around going to be in a long term relationship with someone they might do things slightly differently so it could be in your twenties thirties. But also as people in the fifties and sixties and I think we have to recognize you know if we will get to this sorta fabled to now hundred ten one hundred and twenty. Some of our relationships could conceivably Steve Ably have a life expectancy of more than eighty years and being in the same proxy as your partner is your loved one for all that time. It's GonNa bring a very different session program so it could very well be that this new way of alteration is going to become the new. Is this a new phenomenon. Well I would argue. I'm not in the sense that for several generations you will have had people who have got together. 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Undeveloped a certain resilience all I would draw attention to is that they're Olsen quite interesting life skills that we developed when we do end up living with someone and those are also quite important things around tolerance around given take and also navigating the obstacles when things go wrong psychotherapist and broadcaster Lucy Beresford now if like some of my colleagues you occasionally go wary of the not diaz task of tooth brushing. The world's biggest electronic show may have the answer. The event has been taking place this week in Las Vegas and Zoe Kleinman. Kleinman is. They're playing with some the thousands of items on display including the ten seconds toothbrush vast conference. WHO's here in Las Vegas up crammed with gadgets around the globe vying? Catch the eye of both the wells media. I'm the investors who own the event from the biggest brands to the smaller order. Startups see us as a melting of tech innovation. Some of it. 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Episode #344  Mortal Kombat, with Naomi Ekperigin and Andy Beckerman

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Episode #344 Mortal Kombat, with Naomi Ekperigin and Andy Beckerman

"On this episode we discuss mortal kombat. Okay So i guess i got gotta pick character here. Okay which usually. I like a big guy which the which one's the zan kief in this one This guy shao shao kahn. Okay he's got a hammer. Okay let's see how he does weight and he's not in the movie. Okay i have to pick this other dude okay. I'll do this guy hope he survives. What's his name like rex or something. Okay cool i'm going to be him Hey everyone and welcome to the flop house. I'm dan mccoy. It's me stewart. The number one stuart wellington and it's me elliott kaelin somewhere on the ranks. I don't know where. I rank in comparison to the tier list. You're definitely a. I don't know if i'd say s tier yet. But you get there. I don't think i know what this system is. S before a. I don't understand this is the top. That's why i can't believe. I have to explain tier rankings so like f. tier would be. I don't know what's a bad elliot. S tears definitely elliott gould right. He's the best that you're a bad. Elliott would be like elliot from elliot. From like jeremy irons character. Elliot from dead ringers. Really bad elliott f. tier. I guess uh no might michael caines elliott and from an inner sisters. He's like a philanderer. Yeah that's a bad elliott. Really explaining why he got escalators. S to your to your then usually just goes right to tear. But i feel like i feel like our guest today. Probably have some very strong opinions on weird. Different elliott's fall in this right elliot. Probably we have guess. I loved introduce and then we'll talk about why. Dan is feeling a little under the weather But i like to introduce our guest joining us today to talk about mortal kombat a movie. They specifically requested that we allow them to talk to us about are the host of the podcast couples. Therapy nomi apparent and andy beckerman. You can see omi also on apple. Tv's mythic quest and each also podcasts. Now me has. I love lifetime. Movie and andy has beginnings in interview podcast Thank you so much for joining us to talk about mortal combat with a k. They spelled it wrong. Typo i feel so honored. You are allowing this to happen. Because i will start yelling. Also i do want to know. Am i the first black woman on flop. The woman but i would be lying. We handle. I'd be lying. With z. way question with the it was going to be very exciting for me but okay. Numbers are not great. but you're your victory lap yet. We're not with the tears by the way in terms of podcasts. That have black women as guests. We're not as tier for sure. We're not asked not s. yeah. I still don't understand them so i ain't like the ring and it doesn't like the wikipedia on the tier system. Just says it. It doesn't explain it. It's very serious. His friends where's what's the origin of like. If you're i mean i'm assuming a lot. We just got a whole bunch of new listeners today. Because they're all very interesting to hear is talk about Moral combat so. Let's talk about the different fighting game. Let's talk about say something like smash brothers if you want to say if you want to rank smash brothers characters in order of like annoyingness to play against you can put them in a tier system. Where esther would be by far the most annoying but f. It'd be almost no. I understand which which letters correspond with quality. My favorite character. Of course he would be an st or annoying character. Because he has heart's on you. Which i think sammy would look. He would love to have you on moscow to you. That i mean i i. You know i've watched last saturday night live. I like to jokingly refer to it as the tv show the worst tv show. I've seen every episode of. But i have not watched that episode except i've seen pictures on twitter. Should i watch that episode. Andy okay so if i watch watch it unless you audrey like saturday night live and we watched it and got damn. There's some bad sketches of that. Musk episode we should. We should wait before he ended up. I want to explain you a little different. You have cold right now so that people yeah so the world is healing which means that i am not like the fact that i am. You know vaccinated and out in the world. Even though you know. I'll i'll still wear my mask inside you know with people But i am now being exposed again to the viruses that my lousy abused system cannot handle. So i have a cold i am in buffalo. New york I am my family seeing one another for the first time since quarantine. We tried to pick a place to see one another for some reason. We came up with buffalo to be in the place where william mckinley was shot. Yeah i rate vacation spots for president shot here there's texas there's washington dc. There's buffalo new york that's it. There's no as the only place to go on vacation. Yeah either one of my family members gave me this or i gave it to my family. Some of my other family members are now sick. You know from buffalo would ever be. Yeah okay so very upsetting after all other than like a few stopovers in the philippines. We're family is from and florida audrey as a lifelong new yorker and i have been there for you know a couple of decades now and i just cannot drive and so we picked a nearby place that we could get to and with on the east coast or my family. Who's in boston. They drove up. It's it's close to niagara falls which we went and see saab. It is not niagara falls which is a horrible place to be. Buffalo is a very depressed Former industrial town but does have some interesting shot. Yeah it's been nice. Except for the fact that i am now miserably. Say actually mentioned. I forgot one place. You can go on vacation on your president's shooting tour milwaukee where teddy roosevelt was shot. After was reagan shot in. Dc waken garfield roche. Weird is body. let me know so. Let me look that. Up on my map of presidents bodies mar-a-lago an alternate dimension dana little under the weather. Why don't you want to eat some of those famously spicy buffalo wings. Clear out the sinuses. That'll wake you up or some of those famously spicy buffalo chips. So if i don't talk that much okay Just just you know i've died. Okay fear it's good. You have two guests coverage dialing nine and one on my phone. I'm just going to cover somewhere in buffalo. I don't white do airbnb. That is not as nice as his sister. Keeps claiming we know that while back over spilling t so it's good that you has filling t he's got a lot more optimism than this so so you listen to the flop house. This is a podcast where we were we rag on the airbnb that our sisters in law rent But it's also podcast where we watch a bad movie were. Maybe it turns out to be a movie we like and we talk about it and as you may know if you saw it listed on your app or you heard. Dan mentioned it at the beginning or heard us mention it. Also afterwards today. We're talking about mortal combat Came out this year. It's based on the fantasy video game of the same name. Emotional transfer union directory debut of australian filmmaker. Simon mccoy which is possibly the most australian imagine and now moral combat armor relying on lead in the summer. dave. But i'm gonna be relying on stewart's knowledge of the game franchise the most because a lot. Because it's it's a franchise. I know a little bit about when it comes to fictional universe continuity let's say marvel comics like my s tier. That's what i know. i know it. It's in my bones and my blood unless say my f- tier is like outlander. Something i know exists. But i don't. I've never seen more than a few snippets as i walk through. My wife watches it. I know it super sexy. And there's time travel. But i don't know anything else about it. Mortal combat is like near the is not quite in the middle but in the bottom half of my knowledge. I know that like i know. Get over here. And i know flawless victory allies. I don't know too much about it but until you watch either the movies. I did watch the original movie when it came out in the theaters. That was twenty years ago. Almost i don't remember that. Well the only thing. I really remember about it as i think i might have mentioned on the podcast before is the lackluster intro for goro. Who is just who is a four armed giant man wearing little underpants and who has a tail and in the old movie he just kinda walks onscreen as if it's no big thing and you're not supposed to care or be impressed that there's a four man walking around cokes. And why did you. Why did you guys pick mortal combat to be your movie of choice. Yeah okay and so. I was saying that how it before we started that. I think there's a little bit of like quarantine euphoria that was involved in this because when we watched this when it came out we watch pretty much every film that came out on. Hbo max absolutely. We're maximum we shop at tj maxx. We watch hbo. Max mad max. Anything be a salmon. Hbo max and we watch this. I had so much fun watching. And i don't like i very aware of my mortality so i don't purposely watch bad movies. Oh we'll also. I will stop okay. This is a household that does not need to see it through. Okay okay so. I'm like oh absolutely not stopping okay. There are annum as to. Why show my academia's new season just eight gb. The only reason why i know about s class from one man because they have classes and he wants to be an. We can talk about one instead of like. We're really supposed to talk about mortal kombat logic. It's back she can tell you a lot about one bunch man. Does she know anything about outlander. I don't know anything. I will say with the moral combat. What do you call it in with all aji. Why did they make this complex mythology To like just happy will fight each other. And then audrey was no this is from the games like she knew somehow this all from the games a lot of games. They started out pretty straightforward. And i know that as they went on they got more and more story elements to them rights to open anyway so but We should finish. Finish you. stewart a direct question. I remember that. I remember in the middle of the answering stewart's question from earlier so i think so. We had so much fun watching this and we may also okay so there was some quarantine you for you also. I think we've been out here in los angeles for about almost four years now and this was like one of the first movie that i watched where i saw the producers minds working in the background i see all the decision teams that motorcade. I saw all the decisions the executives the producers made that had nothing to do with like wanting to make a good film that had to do with lack. We have a budget. Can we stick to the goddamn budget all that all those kind of decisions. I saw for the first time. And i i was like oh. It's like the matrix. It was like when when neo gets his powers in the matrix. And you start to see see. That's money. that was your reason for me. I love action. I'm here for a good time. I wanna quit. I want to defy gravity and now this motion picture absolutely bored me and i i screamed are done and so i wanted to talk about because like for genre. I came in ready. You know what i mean. Like i was like i don't need much and ing yet. You may be real mad. Just felt like to me. I thought what a good motion picture to unpack right but also that was part of my excitement about it. Was that like all i want from. These movies is fights. Like i saw godzilla king of the monsters that the one before the last king of the monsters i saw in the theater with my friend and i fell asleep in the middle. Because all i want i. I just wanted them to fight. I don't care about kyle chandler or eleven use biofeedback to attract the monsters to each other's could did not care for a second not a molecule of my absence. Not an electron. you're wanted you didn't go on the internet and look up. At what point do they fight and then show up late to the movie. Just say so two hours in. Yeah so and this. What i did appreciate was that it was the thinnest amount of exposition to get you from fight to fight. Yeah and that. I appreciated against seeing the like the producer. Be like no one gives a shit about any other motivations. Just have them fight like put some stuff in some some a little bit of like peanut butter and jelly in the middle of the fight is not the peanut butter and jelly ones. The fight that in this metaphor. so you're eating new tele with peanut butter and jelly on the outside no bread. It's it's it's. It's a desk a hard double down sandwich. So now down in society. It's barely of condiments the double down condiment disc kandhamal now stewart. Let me get back to the question. I asked you and then interrupted you. So so the more tell us a little bit about the mortal kombat series your experience with it. And what is this video game series before we jump into this. The movie this base. I mean this is the movie event of twenty twenty one mortal combat it. Maybe the second biggest movie of entering twenty one after that sparks documentary that i cannot be next month and i cannot because it's a it's not out yet but i cannot wait to see it other than that. This is the movie event of the year. What is mortal kombat. Tell us well. I mean my history of mortal kombat obviously was with the original video game. I remember my pair when it came out in the genesis. I played in arcade a little bit but when it came out of the genesis. My parents bought it for my brother and i for christmas. We found it before christmas and we would we. May you open the packaging and play it when they weren't home and then sneak it back into the packaging kids terrible so it's it's a violent video game that originally us. What like sprites based on like photo photographs or film footage. They filmed actors. Do what there's a great article that was online years ago where they talked to the actress who basically created the characters and the fighting styles and then filmed and they digitize the film footage an ad costumes to it and those actors never received any payment other than like the day rate they got but i remember a kid see in this in the arcades and the amazing thing about it was that the sprites looked like real people real people digitize but they look like video footage goats of fake blood would scored out of them when you would uppercut them and that was super would come. This is not your daddy's super street fighter two turbo which is relatively super genesis game. It came out on genesis and super nintendo at the same time although the super nintendo had like they altered the blood. So it wasn't as gory coaltion. Bad boys nintendo. Because don't as sick so so knowing that this is the second movie based on a violent video game that third movie. Oh yes right. I forgot so was the only mortal kombat sequel sequel to the first one. Now is that a crossover with phantasm annihilation weight which ones phantasm relation is important. One fourth one. i think yeah crossover with the marvel. Crossover annihilation Yes it's all things. Yeah it's all dan evident. What's her dilation. Oh right natalie. Alley sent annihilation from x. series by jeff andrew mirror of course so they made a couple of a couple of games and then kinda recently there was like a relaunch of mortal kombat for the courage generation systems. This was like five six years. I don't know i got time wrong. this was mortal kombat nine titled mortal combat and that kind of brought the series back. Like they're kind of strayed from its basic roots. They tried to do all these like three d. Shit they did a crossover at dc which then spun off into its own game and justice which is spun and then since then they've released three games which was mortal kombat mortal kombat. Tanner mk x. And then mortal kombat eleven and one of the big things that the mortal kombat nine did was it like they took another a hard look at the continue the continuity mindset. I can't i can't pronounce words today. And they like tell the hole in 'em. canine they tell the whole story of mortal kombat and then front and then each game the store for some fighting game it has very elaborate story mode so it makes one wonder if you have this story mode that you can just watch somebody playthrough on youtube. Why do you need a movie. We'll we'll find out what we talked about. The we'll find out. Especially since the recent world combat entries have started bringing characters from other ip so like robocop is in their rambo. I'm there and the terminator. So it's like and free freddie who has two claws because they couldn't figure out how to have the have the character be on either sides of the board or screen and have a the on one hand so he has to laws and you're like i guess that's fine. That's fine nearly. I generally hope that this movie they make enough sequels to get to the point. Where what other. Ip does this you know this camp. Whatever whoever put it out making that movie. It's called space jam. It's got every character from everyone brothers movie in it. It's nuts okay. Let's talk about this. One mr uneo. She so mortal kombat. Let's start. we begin as most action. Movies do in japan in the year. Sixteen seventeen at the happy peaceful household of loving dad. Hans shashi sashi associate And hans without getting some water and you know he's got a bad past behind the because his house is attacked by merce by warriors he returns to find his wife and son had been turned into sort of a frozen corpse pizza. Na and hunter gets mad he kills a bunch of mass bad guys. He invents Scorpions weapon by tying a rope to a garden spade when he does not say get over here yet because this is speaking japanese and then he confronts the leader of these bad guys beyond a chinese warrior with ice powers and they fight during that fight. Hans gets in a great nut punch on behind. That was that was my moment of the fight. We also talked about how behind talks to him in chinese and then for like a good ninety seconds and then he's like i don't know what you say but i thought we didn't need to understand what he was saying. Did you notice that zero. Sorry behind kills the wife and child and then just sits back walled scorpion. Kills all his men he just sitting on a stop. Just kinda like yeah. There's a lot of. There's a lot of action movie logic. Here where things happen. Because that's how they need to happen for fights the same way that i forgot what it was that i once saw the the this like mathematical theorem of ninjas were it was for each ninja you add the ninjas lose a certain amount of fighting exponentially that's why a one on one fight with an injury takes a long time if twenty ninjas attack you you can just kill them popcorn like you just throwing them off. You can't fuck with the difficulty level. The encounter ellie bad guys. They have to be colds or some shit. So it's the it's the overall difficulty level for the for the experience and not for each individual phone. It's kind of a kind of a universal You can neither create nor destroy fight difficulty. I guess is what is the law. I can't remember what that term is. Really they remember it Law of conservation of conservation of fight difficulty. Yeah thank you so much by the end. It doesn't it doesn't matter how many times hanso punches behind the nuts behan kills him and says for lynn quite which is his clan. but that's never really his clan of that is his this clemson's i don't know that we ever hear that phrase again in the movie at all. This is my problem. The i'm already at least the movie gives you like it. Felt very paint by numbers. And so it's kind of like further league way kwan. Kway and you're okay. Do i care. But he said something so. Check that box a reason. Yeah not explain. Yeah it was like an improv one. Oh one everyone's like wait. I have to have a justification very relatable. This is a guest improv terminology with great. So so behinds game is that he uses is to kill a harold. This would be worse for at the end of this fight. That's when one of the other performers runs across the screen and says that's our show tonight. Everybody hanso he thinks he's been he's dead but no he gets back up when he hears a baby crying inside of the house but then suddenly his body is burned to ash by magic fire. This is never really explained but it doesn't matter then. Suddenly rain lightning a guy with a big hat and glowing eyes appears. That's why stewart. Who is this baby. Now you would expect to be played by christopher lambert. He was played in the original. It's not him. It's a different actor Because you know different actors play the same. It's weird have you ever james bond. So the rain shows up takes. The baby bounces out at this point. You should fast forward until the last fight of the movie and then the movie's pretty good. You are very accurate very accurate stewardess right that lord. Lord ridden is not played by christopher lambert. He's played by. Ted nobu asano who you may remember from each the killer or electric eighty. He's in a lot of the factors. The the two actors beyond and zoa sasha year but wrote play by great actors arguably the best actors in the movie. I mean yes. Oh for sure so good. This is something that you see in a lot of movies that have a western and eastern cast like martin. Scorsese's silence is like this where the year bit. You're there aren't huge stars in this movie. But you have like the the american stars or american or european stars and then you have the japanese or chinese cast and asian actors are so much better and that's such a higher level of character reality even a movie ridiculous as this or character intensity like you watch silence and you're like japanese actors in this are silent. Yes same look todd on also in silence and i believe in this household we often say we stand and international coporate and this is just international coporo at its finest because you've got these great actors and then like a random white girl shows up and you're like who were you. How did you get here production. You don't make sense with the vibe. But we legally had to have her in it back like the meg which she was in another international copa. Sonya blade blade. Yes we'll get. We'll get jessica mcnamee show taslim later. Subzero is fucking awesome. Like he's in the raid. He's in the night comes for us. He's a fucking bad ass. Beat the shit out of me daddy. He's amazing and he's like even covered in like super what is obviously like super heavy unwieldy armor that he later rips off in an awesome fight like still great like he brings such great energy to what little he gets to do in this movie. Yeah if you want a international co pro this tv show now not a movie but if you want one where the acting is superior is like as i super on both sides of the continental divide geary haji absolutely missing. Think about that guy's gonna say bory all about the rest of my life so the important thing is lured rate shows up super powerful lightning powers. he takes the baby and then lightning teleport's away cut to onscreen text. Which explains that earth is about to lose international inter inter dimensional fighting competition and be invaded by the evil out realm but a prophecy hans blood raise new warriors and it is a lot of concept to suddenly dump on us. And it's like the movies like you're here for the fights like you give a shit about this. Here's the back story who cares like we'll just dump it on. You doesn't matter. Let's talk a little bit about the mortal kombat tournament because this is the rules of this thing are just a little sad. Yeah because like yeah like. Apparently you have to win ten of these tournaments takeover so. This is the tenth. We gotta have steak. So we're we're we're jumping in at number ten but that point like just simplified for the audience maybe just make this the important tournament but also apparently it is totally legal that you can kill the competitors outside of the tournament of town order not legal. They say it's what else did they say. It's against the rules but there is no authority higher than the the main bad guy. In the main guy ever living tribunal shows up to pass judgment. It's just like changsong. You're not allowed to do this. And chang songs like ooh. I guess i'll do it anyway. There's who made the rules if there's no repercussions for tonya harding. You know john lewis. And also she wasn't really her fault and she did lose there. Were done know like this. Mortal kombat treats at the same way like okay. I guess i'll allow is nothing in the rule book that says you can't kill the opponents before the competition who's the main outward guy. Wait what's that. There's in the movie at shang sung but there's also shao kahn. Insure knock and all these other guys in this movie. Because he says we've the elder gods to me and then later in the movie. I wrote this down. He wrote the elder guy. The other gods are too lazy to stop me. That's his justification. He says we even to me. And then he's like nat. We don't have to worry about. And they they don't wanna get off their asses. Okay why even have an elder god if gal too tired like it doesn't even make sense. But here's the thing though as you said a movie that's just about fights why that then make the whole movie these ten tournaments. Yes or does that would give me something more. Half the movie be the tournament as opposed to the movie being the prep for the tournament. Which is ridiculous like this is this is the gory martial arts version of the big lebowski where there's the big bill they're building up to a bowling tournament that you're never actually going to see like but it's the. It's the unveiling of the tallest building philadelphia that movie. I believe that the other day just how funny it is when when split looks over to the building and it's like an now to go to it and then they knock him down and he never gets there anyway. Okay so we meet now. We're going to meet our hero in. We're at meeting cole. He's a young sky but he's already has been underdog. Mma fighter his teen daughter is always like coal dead. Use your uppercut. He never listened to her and he loses the match because he for some reason we were sitting down and hit the punch. Maybe you made a promise to his dying master that he would never use the uppercut. I can which is hard to do because you have to hit forward down and then down forward which is a weird motion to mass down for. Yeah so we go to. This is where the bad guys live. of course it's like a big evil desert with mountains and stuff. the hanters reporting to us master. Shang sung okay shang song he wants to take over the earth. Make everybody have fun tonight. Everybody shang tonight stewart. Tell us about chang-sun. What do we know about this. Mean dude i mean these evil sorcerer guy right and he sucks people souls other body and he has the move where he can transform and other characters. That's pretty cool right. He doesn't any transforming. This movie didn't have the budget. I'd imagine they did not have a transformation bridge so he's played by chin-han who according to compete was in the goes in the show movies so he's a flop house. Repeat so anyway. So shane song. He's a real mean bad guy. He wants to take over the earth for some reason. He's worried about the prophecy that says that hans blood will raise a new class of warrior. That will stop him. He's like beyond just go to earth and kill all the champions before the mortal combat competition which is very funny. I'm afraid that we're gonna lose to them in mortal kombat so go fight them where there are no rules and they can do whatever they want and go. Kill them and behind goes. I'm subzero now and it's like oh sorry dude. Okay rebranded since the seventeenth century. Okay now why do you think the lay his. His recording label actually owned his old name. You get the email from my publicist. Somebody's stolen his account is holding hostage. Here's okay so cole. Is going to meet ex-military tough-guy jack's spilled j. x and coal is like yeah anyway. I'm a fighter. I got a birthmark shaped like a dragon. Take a look at it. And jack's follows kohl's family to a hamburger stand where start snowing in july. What at that mean. It means subzero is on the attack. Luckily jack saves cool. I got. I gotta say you know like they talk about. it is filled with. Thank you for the permission this movie filled with. Cgi you know and that can look cheesy. But i really can't like the the snow mysteriously starting to fall then like falling backwards up into the air and then being assaulted by ice. I thought that look cool. Pretty good special effects also great special effect. That's a practical effects. Real life affect jack is arms. That guy has such huge biceps. Said they were too much. I was were out of control. I thought it was excessive. And i was doing that thing. Where you you like. Fold your arms with push him on With your really mccotter brooks guys. Mccoy brooks is always coming through giving us very like snack. Look at me. I'm haunting buff energy. You want me to have this kind of arms. Absolutely not i find them overwhelming body the same except for the art interesting thing about that and we have got about the arms bad news for jacks. Don't get you arms because we're not going to see them too much more in the movie. Jack's is like oh yeah so sorry arm yes so yes literally everything you're saying. Elliott is as bad as it was written in the movie. But this call is like affi- here's his daughter. It's like is she a issue forty and then we'd and then like they go right after that it's like where are you. Where are we located. Hieaux where are we could. The they could be in. Texas could be in brooklyn in ohio could be in washington state. It's it's impulsively earth room though. Yes it is in earth there in. I think we can narrow it down to the united states of america or canada but otherwise you know it's a and it's can i point out. The coal is a completely new character. This character is never been featured. In a mortal combat or move really gets to avoid accusations of favoritism that they made the main character of the movie a new character. Well it's weird because the like the main guy behind the game is this guy. Ed boon who famously. His favorite character is scorpion. Which is kinda. Why scorpion over the years is morphed into like more of a good guy. Because he was like a fire-breathing skeleton ninja guy with a thing and like you know the spirit that he throws and he's an scorpion has become more and more like the face of the game. Like if you go to a game stop for some reason and want to buy mortal kombat game. Probably has scorpion on it. I mean please go to game stop. I bought a lot of stock. And but like i assumed they were going to. Just make him make coal scorpion but no no no no for some reason and i wonder if they're like trying to build them up to put him in a game or if they wanted to be eligible for the best new character academy award. Like you can't have a distinct. But i didn't realize that it that makes sense though because kohl's also pretty bland kind of character. There's not much with him. He's also acids this actor. And that's a netflix. Show also giving us martial arts and fun. I told you i watch it. I don't need much. And he's funny lewis. He's like kinda like the hot cool fuck boy of the main character the best friend and then he's like but he's also like a good guy underneath kind of energy and so when i saw him i was like. Oh he's fun but they literally just had him sm- is the entire film he's what we call a cw. He is a model that they just put into. Like the like. Someone's like well we can make more money off of you if you made him an actor but he's really just a model he also a good fighter like he knows how to fight. You know so. He is like but in this movie specifically giving you. Cw again like all the cw shows like he's giving you just like look. You know what. I mean is giving you angles. Cheekbones lucille but has no response to anything. That's happening to him. No know has a response and this entire thing crazy shit happens every two minutes and no one has any kind of response except for one character or one of one of these to be introduced. Yes one of the we'll get. We'll get the so Jack saves them in his truck. And he's like. I got the same dragon. Birthmark more as combat champions instantly. Colin's family like that makes sense. Yeah we're on board. I get it mystical champions. Alright little what do we do. And jack go find my partner blade and i was like wait blade. The vampire killer. No it sonia. No such luck. Anyway not ipo. Gary indiana we are you in relation to gary. Also you know up there with buffalo is bad places to go before too far away from it. It's nothing but good things about gary indiana and the one song i know about it. What a wonderful place named for albert. Gary of judiciary fame gary indiana. Shakespeare would say trips along softly from tung this way. Anyway so channeling someone else right now. Presser fucking harold hill man right right. Yeah no i went to a few state. Any what you're saying is your pupils got white before we get too far away from the. Cw i just wanted to say that. I like what we're you know. I'm appealing what we're seeing about this relationship that you guys have a lot of jargon around your household you know you're out of the media you build up yes. Thank you for understanding. Love is lasted this eleven years. Yeah based on. Having a closed loop terminology that is impenetrable world. Yeah every relationship needs a glossary. So he's like find sonya blade subzero not a good idea after creeping around in an entirely frozen and building pretty much. I guess it's hardly frozen later on. Subzero later freezes jackson's arms and they shatter and then jacksonville falls down and hits. His head is the great lawn violent. where they they first face off. And jack says i did six tours mother fucker. And you're like against ice wizards also one one of the things in this movie. That took me for split. I was. I forget like nineties action movies. There's tons of swearing and just take it in stride but modern action movies because so many of them i guess are pegged around appea- thirteen hopefully audience even like a soft our audience. They don't swear as much and there's a ton of swearing in this movie and for some reason when a character will be disembowelled and their guts would fall out. That would shock me less than hearing character. Be like. Fuck this asshole. It'd be like only really felt like they were doing it excessively to like be like fuck you dad. We could swear in our movie. That's the way i totally felt to me like. It was a ninety saturday morning cartoons that they remade in a live action or like now we could put in all the swears we want. Now we can finally have you reptile. And goro do it like we never only pinch in the in the tv show. It'd be difficult with reptiles. Six spittle would cause problems for goro. Put anything once so speaking of we're backing out. World chang sung sock into his lady. Fighter molina but then he's like you don't go send in size off the reptilian now. This is the character reptile right or is it not because it doesn't look like what i'm used to. I'm used to character reptile scorpion but with different colors. When the that's why that thing was there. I didn't put together that it was sent because i was literally like what is this character. Like hearing thought it was his own initiative. You thought the reptile like that. It's just it's just like showing up places like sense. The combatants half alien half predator. Because it's got like acid alive. Cloaking rally that have been in mortal combat. Yeah and it also looks like spider-man's lizard so right so so anyway like i said colin's family. They instantly believe jackson's crazy story. And co leaves his family behind if they've been attacked by an mri monster To go find sonya blade and when he gets to her. What like trailer home. It's like a or like a mobile home. That's you know stuck in the ground. Yeah yeah she shows cole. Her evidence dungeon about how people been fighting in the mortal combat terrorism for centuries and cole has a hallucination of hands off for a moment but then a he gets kicked out of that by kane o our next big character. K- no is deuce douchebag australian mercenary that. Sonia has changed to a chair in her house. Stewart told me about keno. Look what can you tell me. Okay now like a like a villain in the the original games and he's always been australian like mercenary gun runner bad guy In the games all his moves are like kinda aggressive extra shitty and he has his one move where rolls up into a ball and flies across the screen which doesn't quite fit with this other moves but it's hilarious and it's a it's a good strategy bill because you can just keep slamming people around with your flying ball body. Yeah that's in my in my marriage. We call that an f. b. b. flying ball body. That's in our house. So he turned it turns out he know is we've set up our main characters. Cole is the innocent young hot guy who is kind of two noble for this world. Sonia is the lady who is trying her best to be a mortal kombat champion. Because she doesn't have a dragon mark and keno who has a drag mark because killed a champion mark transferred. Him is the like wisecracker. He's like the wisecracking asshole who just kind of like what all not gonna do that. Boy order you become a champion just back killing somebody else. Should the very nature of committed murder be. You are non material latest up in here. Because he's like this guy he happened to have a martin. I got the mark. don't check out. I've actually wanted to win earth royale. Now if you want to win this you can't be given. Any obama reminds me of in the move at the end. The movie gods of egypt where all through that movie whether you get into heaven or hell is decided by how rich you are and that the end they go. You know what maybe it should be. Based on whether you're a good person or not from now on only good people will get into heaven and it was like what system was this beforehand like. Why would you ever have it the other way but going out this whole like weird mark shit this arcana that they talk about which is a weird market. You get if you kill somebody else says the mark or board into lineage of people the mark which is arguably worse The it also is keyed into some weird magic power shit. This is all new. This is not from the games. it doesn't make any sense. It feels like something that like like an executive is like. I wanna put my own stamp on the moral combat universe. Go by introducing some dumb bullshit. It feels like there are a couple of different parts of this movie. Where am i always am impressed by this. When there's a movie based on video game and they're like. I guess we have to come up with a story reason to explain why why a ninja who can breathe. Fire is fighting like vampire woman in the middle of a temple somewhere because the game of course you really don't need a reason but they're really feel like they're trying to build into baxter to explain. Why people have these abilities at all whereas in the game is just gonna like. Here's what crazy budget weirdos like a bunch of superpower nuts yeah yeah but we don't wanna keno money by the way. He was the only the only one having fun with keno. Was having fun with having fun with it but the lights go out that invisible reptile monster with the acid blood attacks. Sizov working together. They kill it. They managed to like stab a flare into its body so that they can see where it is And kane rips out its heart and says keno wins. Which is one of many my winks at the audience In qena was like to also load ratings temple Take a three million dollars mate and tell them that that was so hemsworth up. And i'm like i'm melvin. Right on the way there Cole has another vision of hongo. But don't have time for that and the visions are really matter doesn't doesn't matter no they parachute into the desert where instead of parachuting to the place where they want to go the parachute like a couple of miles away is the best way. Okay okay. is that what you consider a story turn. We need to pad this a bit. Maybe they don't have to walk a little and it's also again. We have to go because this is from the beginning. We are starting with whole right. We are supposed to our entree into this world is supposed to be this guy who was a fighter who's not very good though but he has a daughter and you know whenever a man has a daughter. He's here he's got heart so he has his daughter. But you're like whole like these people just showed up. Somebody made us snow in july. And then froze the street. And they you had to go to gary indiana. How are you feeling. Where are you emotionally with this journey. And he's walking. He's just walking. He's hanging hearing nothing to say. That is so strange to me for all the work of building the backstory. Maybe he's dead inside but he has a daughter. If you have a daughter you can't be dead inside. That's the hero. That's the rupel. he's a fan. he's a family man. I mean in a perfect world. Who played by. Tom tom hanks. And that's you in. He'd bring all that character to them. I mean the young tom. Hanks would be ripped in this version of the art for some buddies era when he was like really. He was working out a lot when he was. Yeah those forty inch pythons definitely but yeah there's coal is. He's just stay. He is a total blank. He is an open doorway for us to walk into the world of mortal kombat and there is otherwise not much there But and there's there's this rivalry between kano and sonya that is instantly has so much more personality than anything. That cole is doing and kaneohe taunt sony attacking him and he's like kill me. Then take my dragon mark. But she won't do it But that's okay because suddenly out of the sunset who's walking in its liu king with his karate. Fire hands about luke luke games always kind of like the was kind of good guy who came along. Yup exactly i mean cold kind of is filling the role that liu qing normally would feel at some point. He he's like the lover of princess guitar Who's the daughter of shao kahn. And he is like a monk and he can turn into a dragon and some of his fatalities guys like the collective amount of bullshit that is in all of our brains with it but we can harness that power. So here's did called the flop house. Yeah this is the only way to do it. All swirls together create some kind of like love. Crafty and dr odd. That will destroy the earth made of fictional mythos in things. Good news get to ratings cave. They know they learn about the past because the cave is decorated with historical. Moral compass murals as we know from zack. Snyder justice wall work. They do in this movie right. Yeah so the wall and now there's a wall in this cave and let the wall tell the story okay. No one has time to talk to you. Know and it's time for flashback. The wall in the justice league movie murals are the best way to communicate complicated back stories. And that's an interesting difference between earth roman out world because the heroes of earth rome decorate their walls whereas out world they have no walls not even the throne room. It's just like a cliff people doing in the background by the way in out world they were wandering around. Is that what's going on. I mean no wonder they want earth realm. Because there's stuff here there's like nothing in out world. Select who wouldn't want. I mean if anything totally sympathize with the people of out world who just see earth realm and they're like look at all the things they have like we have nothing we and they're not offering it to us so we better go in and take it. Remember the george carlin bit about how out world doesn't have stuff and stuff bid. Yeah yeah that's great. Yeah this the seven fatalities. You can't do in the saturday morning. Yeah our world is all all one big like concept art drawing for like a desert that is outward at world is. It's your basic tat. Tween iraq as a place that the tuning forks. Take you phantasm. It's just like an open desert in this new center references. I'm thinking about phantasmal lately. It's cheap i think that's the poi- you know yeah and is very cheap because there's no stuff you don't have to fill it with anything. Oh eight can. I point out something that we only saw on the second time watching the movie when writing that reptile when they're fighting the reptile condo kane played like when keynote speaker. Kino lorber is fighting the reptile. Yeah or someone asked sonya. Where's your market and she goes. I don't have one and then kato in the background goes. I only saw the second time at. I died so funny. And that's what i wanted more. That's what i love like. Give me the wa wa in the love it. It was in the background. There was no need to cut to him. Just like let me here. I really enjoy that. And that was very delightful. It was it kind of energy that like the first mortal kombat had where it was like this weird the original mortal kombat movie had this a weird tournament at this rich sourcres magic island. We're like all these weirdoes just showed up. Because they're like. I wanna fucking battle and you had a little bit of everything you had like jerks like johnny cage. Yeah jerks like kaneohe you had. Sonia played want to kill. You had a goro. It was great but this movie. It's like the motivation is just like protecting earth rome. Who gives a shit about that. I want people who want to go to a fucking tournament of magic island. We'll the first. Myrtle convent is very much still in a in a time. When martial arts means enter the dragon like it's still living in that world. Where like if you're gonna have martial arts fighting it's going to be kind of enter the dragon type of space but now it's in the world of marvel movies where it's like if we play this right. Every single one of these characters is going to have their own movie. And we're going to have like a trilogy where they go to world overthrow shang song or whatever. So it's they gotta they gotta add all this junk win. Yeah it'd be so much more fun if it was just like you just saw all these characters getting on planes and buses heading to the tournament better. Yeah anyway jackson sweat lord ratings temple. His arms are gone. He is unconscious. Uh-huh what's gonna happen checks You guys need to train. Earth will be ravaged and introduces them to lord reagan. Who is visibly disappointed. That these are the people Absolutely you don't even have a mark woman. I don't know what you're doing here your liability three or four of them show up right like just like this tiny. Hey i heard. This wasn't a birthmark to enjoy. Get like a coupon for some dairy queen. What are you like who are you. What is your deal like. Why are you here cole. I have a daughter. That's not enough. I don't think they could give away coupon to dairy queen because blizzards are sub. Zero's weapons very well poor because sub-zero shows up and he starts fighting liu king but then he gets saved by a guy with a really wide hat stewart l. It's funny thing about you asking me. This is when it's a funny thing we talk about. Kung lao of all people is when i went and saw this in the theater. I went with my buddy riff. We went to a five o'clock. If my buddy. Riff yeah went to five pm screening. We're the only people in the movie theater. So i felt totally comfortable anytime a character. Like for instance would show up. I could turn to him and be like hey risk. That's kung lao. He obviously was already now only because the character announces it as soon as he arrives but also because he's a famous video games like me and but all we would laugh. It's so funny i would. I would like to say s of who knows where the person you are imagining when you hear the name. Riff is riff. Thank you absolutely is for a total rookie real wait. What was it a joke nope life. You live stream cabinet of figures and eating whole mangoes no bites. Such is a giant giant. Right he just put the mango the whole goethe's mouth and pulled out again and the fish skeletons which is the weird right him and rizzo king. Like hey you each have special powers called arcana and you're gonna figure they're going to merge through training the more you fight them. We were kind of comes out but only if you have a drive dragon. Mark sonia and also jack skits robot arms. But they're really like little and wimpy like johnny fives arms and so now it's a lot of training kohl's training against allows razor hat and there's this part the only part of the movie there's a lot of sin on the score and i was loving like i loved the score in that part of a big sucker for since As again as i said it's the sparks move. That's what i'm most excited about this. There's a lot of fighting takes place in this like sand pit area. An because that's basically we're all the fights are going to take place. You're going to see a lot of fighting in the sand at training. Training training jackie's confidence or down down. Because he's got these skinny rotate donuts and so it gives them get his are connor poll kind of. But here's the thing to again so we have this fight right. We know the last fight there in this realm. That's just like a sam. Sam biden are they. They're a day are they. They're in our what's happening on earth wife and the daughter are in some house where i'm like like a cabinet somewhere cabinet like and stuff like that to me where i'm like. You could give me a sense of how time is passing. And why maybe we care like whenever like in danger right. There's nothing. I love more than like a little pop to earth and like suddenly locus fall from the sky. You know what i mean. They're like oh god. The bridge is breaking the space time put under in the corner but a calendar and i just sure bruce super long super long ear by the time he's done drain z. z. Top your long long even longer until you're tripping over it. I wanna see they've page today counter in the corner and you see the pages falling off and then luke hang. Close that window. It's blowing all the pages off the calendar. So what about clock and you see the the king. Hey someone fix that clock spinning too fast. And that's the games would clearly see that's a reference to cronica the bad guy. From one of the later mortal combat surrounds the marijuana combat across okay chronic. Now we know they're there at least two days because they're eating dinner at one point in qena subaru to everybody and lucy liu and kong. They just taunt him until he starts. Shooting is lasers out of his eyes. And he's es marcano cer- kohl's still won't come out even after they hit them a bunch of times. It just won't come out. They don't know and reading this. Like hey cole. From from hands those baby that i saved. Go to your family. I don't need you here anymore. You just a baby shoes like you are very disappointing. You can leave. And then he opens support. It goes like okay like sad but he doesn't really put up. Okay would explain why earth waited so long to gather. Everyone take someone's memo didn't get seems like a letter got lost. Oh shit is day already. Email was in the draft folded. Forgot that lord rain is like. I have three people to choose from coal. You're one of them. You can have to pack your knives and go like. I don't want you here anymore. You have nobody else. What are you doing. You know what i mean. It just like. I can assume that they were sending emails to like the us senate and the us governments like the american people. Don't care about stuff outside of america. Okay they don't care about that world. Be outta outta the democrats trying. They kept sponsoring bills. That would increase funding for mortal combat fighters and mitch. Mcconnell think we need to have all this government support of mortal kombat and necessary Role war movie. I wanna see when the when the senate is debating over it and and mitch mcconnell. Rc roared raven has more than enough fighters already his command. I don't see why we need to increase government funding from our tax payer dollars. He's already he's got a k- know he's gone way. What by bernie sanders bernie. Sanders would be like it is unconscionable that in european nations the government fully supports more combat fighters. But here we have to. We have to put it on the average american to fight against out world is. It's unconscionable we can't allow it enough you know. I mean if you were a little bit of like beefier elliott. You would be a dead ringer for a younger bernie sanders. I'm a jewish glasses. But thank you. It's the biggest of all to be told thinner bernie sanders. Thank you so anyway. And then yeah and elizabeth doing all my impression now elizabeth warren elizabeth warren. We need mortal combat fighters. I've got a plan for that. Here's my plan for that anyway. So they've got us israel jab. We well we need to take this episode and kick it back to like two years ago. Basically when they were still all these candidates in the running. Then we make my real. I get on us. L. it's terrible experience. I don't enjoy it. And but that's how you get catapulted into having small roles and lots of comedy movies. That i don't enjoy okay. So let's meet some more betty because Sharing songs about to bring up k ball kabbalah. Taro who gets a big buildup in his killed instantly later in general like who was least read the one i was least interested in. He's just like a dude with a of hammer or something. Yes seems like there is less going on with him to characters him. And who's the one with the wings. Nita two brand new characters of the series so fans of the series like i know who's getting a fatality performed on them and also the woman with the wings is not from the video. Now now i just really issues like there's not enough going on in the actual video game that they had to make a woman wings because i really felt like they have enough characters to play with a ton of care but i don't think they want to kill them off with fatalities so quickly. I see what you're saying but like okay so as a person who played the game when the characters you recognize came on screen. Were you satisfied. I am you say immediately turned ariffin said that characters name out loud house. Yeah i mean. I i don't know not i don't care i mean the the roster so large and they only showed view characters. Didn't get to see my favorites. Like johnny cage or Man i like. I i was a big fan of now and i feel like kay is represented as like a shitty asshole who you shouldn't like but by the fact that there is no other interesting characters you have to root for the like racist asshole personality so yeah shang sung is like i want you to strike but i you have to take down rate in shield at his headquarters so yes. It's the same thing that the heroes have to do injustice league but backwards. It's the villains doing it now. And it's weird because and k ball cabal hates kaneohe. He hates them and reserve former colleagues from colleagues. And you get the feeling that that a cabal. Who's in like a suit of living. Like cyborg mad max outfit. And he says he is an iron lung. Yeah that that kaneohe probably put him in that situation. But so so cabal visits k- no and i'm like so the shield that being them he did. That didn't bother him when he went in. Just it's one thing for like there's a shield keeping spec so go in there during the shield off okay or we're just like it's not that big an issue really slowly really slow one at a time things get you. And he's like no. You should shut down that shield and turn into a bad guy and kaneohe does exactly that and shane sunk shows up. Meanwhile who shows up at. Kohl's family's house goro Oak and everybody starts fighting battling battle battle battle battle. You get your first really gory. Death as king laos hat becomes like a spinning saw. Blade that cuts natarajan. Right down the middle of questions. Yep and she's the slipknot of the film big up character dies almost instantly and allow says flawless victory and other big wides razor brimmed hat flawless victory. You have to not get hit at all. And i feel like he got hit somewhere in there. But i have to reject the tapes. I mean me this life bar go down any. That's the thing you got to figure out. Well he might even take chip damage on on block. It just depends on the attack. He was blocking that also that they tend to be pretty clear that they kind of all make up the rules. Judge themselves the way shang songs like kill all of my competitors beforehand and hung lau is just when you're judging your own match of course it's going to be a flawless victory like come on. There's there's no way it's kohl's fighting goro. Kohl's wife talk about how you know. Yes another thing to me like this vanessa. Like for instance. I like no i know. He's a wild card. I know he's going to bring us down naturally but this is where the laziness of the motion picture annoyed me. 'cause literally guys like up look at. Hey cato cato you might would be fuck fucking. Hey 'tatoes like all right. That was it like that. There was no sense of like kay. No drama no. No no hiccup. No challenge no need to be seduced. Because i thought they could at least play that a little longer like keno maybe with him like slowly creeping around guest seduction of kano. Now is that not a film mortal kombat colon the seduction of house. Kabbalah laid out on pillows. Yeah he's he's so mean like the whole time he's like i hate you but also come do this for me for money and i'm like is money even going to mean anything in in out rural nothing to just like take all my money dumb ass. There's nothing to buy here in the games. If you get like combat coins you can just spend them on different outfits for your character which that kind of thing looks great. I mean hey. We've all opened up one of those boxes in overwatch to get cool outfits. Right the halloween costumes. But you know we've all done university. Yes you don't need it any kind of needed you know. It's it's a great. I have to say one dan. You mentioned zalman king which is a great name for mortal kombat character. To know you're carrying. I could have to assume. So you mentioned. I kept expecting kabbalah. It'd be like kane join us and take down the shield and then keno would do it and then cabal would kill kaneohe and be like shouldn't have trusted me but that's not what happens. Canes just a bad guy now it doesn't yeah there's no the characters are not consistent anyway. The gouraud fight kohl's wife. She runs up. She's got saver man. She chop score on the side. With an axe justice league comparison unlike worc- dark side meat is not instantly. Give up after being hit with an ax. Once but then kohl's kept featured in the injustice video game made by nether realm studios who also make moral combat. Okay okay this is a lawsuit stumping non you since take a picture of your like your wall with all the connections and yarn and send it to video game companies. It's all publicly available information. There's no reason it's like the the tommy westfall universe on tv exactly okay. That's common fritz. Right that's a relevant topical recent reference. Dr yeah so. It's kohl's i can't kicks in to save his family because he's a family man. What's his are cana- it's a little confused gets metal skin and he has blade risks and a super uppercut and he just cut scores up and he blinds them the pokes is out and then he disemboweled gurus guts. Come out and i was like. This is pretty gory. This is pretty disgusting so goro he doesn't get once again more movies kind of don't do justice by him. He doesn't get much time you know. Probably because he's an expensive character to show a lot of because he's a giant he's an all cgi giant with forearms. Another missed opportunity. Is when cole finally unleashes this fucking uppercut just like in the game. Blood flies everywhere but what they don't do as have somebody's head pop into the corner of the screen and say toasty which is a key. Part of the game hilarious never happened once and other characters get burned alive. Doesn't say there's no toasty moment ship moment in this or no well. I don't think. I wish that a hero had like helped another here on then gone friendship. You would fight for a whole time. And then you'd give them like a teddy bear and then instead of fatality above their body their dead body. It would be the words friendship written in animal. So that's another thing you. Why would you give them. What in mortal kombat. If you don't wanna do fatality you can do a friendship and you give them like cake or a teddy bear or a heart and friendship and you don't kill the fight like whatever fighting here doing you. Just stop yet. Because that's your victory move. Yeah is the moral victory of knowing that. You could have your magnanimous news. Yes right calm or if you wanna make if you if you wanna make your opponent feel terrible if you did not use block button a single time during the match you can perform obey ballot opponents into a baby waste in the movie version of their character. Yeah that's how. I don't think i mean we don't follow the life of the baby afterwards so i can assume yes now this in the later version so could one get. Make like a freddy kruger. Baby yes theoretically. I can't remember if they had bally's in k nine with with freddie krueger. But i'm pretty sure there's jason voorhees baby an knx. But that's just the ended up. Just the end of friday the thirteenth. Eight little jason bateman. The same thing. Yeah this is crazy. I don't even understand why these other characters can be in the video game that would be a separate perhaps for your intellectual property law the house. Okay so yeah. Let's so we'll keep moving with this because there's not that much left jackson finally kicks in. It means this robot arm become big versions like his like human arms were. They're just big robot arms and he saves sonia from a bunch of fallen boulders lauren and brings back to the cave and shang sung steals kong laos soul and just dry them up like withered. Husk and raiding teleport's guys to avoid. He's like i don't know what to do We don't have a lot of good guys on hand and coal master strategist to be from throughout the movie goes. They don't wanna competition. Let's give them one will each split up and take on a different opponent in a different place. And i'm like yeah like the work that screenwriter has to put into explaining why you have one on one fights in different backgrounds like. That's that's that's really funny to me so but it's funny because it's like the ideas will split up and take them on one on one as if teamwork was the secret strength that shang sung's people had and that's why they were all one on one fights it doesn't why does it matter if they're in different places but anyway that's what they do. Super battle super battleship. Jack's fights right coup smashes him serie ricky style. Yeah so that's the thing like obviously that's a classic jax fatality smashing that dude's head however they're having to fight on the fucking pit on you know on this bridge above a pit and that had a stage fatality where you could uppercut your opponent off the bridge and they would land in the pit bond some spikes and then sometimes you'd go down there and fight reptile. Why didn't they do that. Guy's skinny one through it. Yes absolutely correct. But then here's a question like. Do you think this is a movie. That was like so many blockbusters written like rewritten hundred times because it feels like a first draft. Pick even what you're saying about like okay. We're in the void now. Why don't we just go fight. That what i want right. It's like okay. I thought best elliott synopsis. And they turned that into really shooting. Yeah it fell back in time and they were like yeah. Let's just do the movie that way. It sounds like we did. So jax kills reiko. Sonia fights kaneohe stabs him in the eye with a garden gnome and his dragon mark transfers. Her arm looks like she's a champion now and all she wanted all sonya wanted was to be in the plus one she had a little dole is all energy. Rachel dole all champion. Audrey was asking me. Do you think this is like a commentary like the the one woman like needs to prove herself to get the mark and i'm like i don't think they thought about it that much. I think symptom of that kind of assumed misogyny than it is a commentary on that. Like lou king he he just lures cabal into some tower and then makes a fire dragon. That eats them. It's not the kind of just twelve and shit like plasma blasts or something and kills molina. Who is the ninja yet. Yeah exactly alfred. Molina kills alfred molina. It's terrifying subzero kidnaps kohl's family. I don't know why not sure why but he does. Cole is already itching for a fight. There's no reason to bring the family and the family is susceptible to ice attacks. Maybe he could have said they could have something in there. Maybe there wasn't. I missed it about like cutting off the hans. Oh bloodline because kohl's daughter obviously is the next line. But he doesn't say that because sub. Zero's a man of very few words he's beyond the only thing he says. I'm subzero Cole fights them for a while and the building that he's high hidden and now he's kind of ninja turtles. Abandoned warehouse layer is fully frozen. I mean it's like it's like an arena. Right it's the beginning. This is where i again. I could see the producers going. Look we built the stupid. Mma rink and we just use it a second time. We don't have the money but some ice on it and make that the final make it look slightly different. They fight for long time. Who comes back with very little explanation hans. Oh he's back from the dead as he explains it himself. He says literally. I returned from hell to kill you it. It's yeah and he didn't do that earlier or ever in the last four hundred years thirty years now. Okay why were you coming back down and stuff to do just because again lost in the mail. Yeah he didn't going. There's so much paperwork. he says. Get over here. Finally this fight goes on for a long time. And it's like there's that the three men fight scene in the raid. That goes on for a long time and this is feels like it's not quite at that level. It's trying to be something like that where you're off at the sheer endurance sequence. I think good. Yeah i mean. I think this is like the selling real. They shot this and they're like. Hey give us more money please. This looks great right. And it goes on for a long time until scorpio's breathes fire and sub zero and they and then he dies and it's like again. What did you were you building up your turbo bar like with each punch. And that's until you can get fire breath Hans oh disappears. Everyone reunites and shane's and now it's these chain son as mad because all of his champions have been killed and he says next time i'll come back with armies which is again also the end of the justice league zach. Snyder cut like this is so much communist movie and raden says to our heroes. I'll help you find some more fighters and it's like dude. Just find him like. Don't give them clues. just go find them yourself. What are you doing with your time. Nothing what does he have to do. He's literally been alive forever ever has so much time to kill. There's nothing going on in his cave. There's no cable no. Why fine and it's like you have one wa- that you already decorated. So you might look for fighters you have time to kill and invade in the first place. Wait what yeah. Why don't they. Because i don't i don't know why things were like sometimes where the way that the answer is budget like. It's but the one. Why do aliens always invade with either a minimal force in a big city or a big force in the middle of nowhere because budget and when in reality when you want to invade a place like you send or the same way that a it made me so mad in avengers was it infinity war and game. It's infinity war. Where thanos attacks and i. He sends his foot soldiers. Then he sends his super footsoldiers. Then he sends us heavy artillery and tanks. And it's like. That's not the way you would do that dude. Like soften them up with your heavy weapons. Why can't do or in. In the justice league movie where dark side good dark side has spaceships that he could bomb from above but instead he sends his guys down to fight hand to hand and he sends them to the place. All the good guys have already landed. Go somewhere else. A whole beachhead your. Maybe he's just working under like some sort of outdated intergalactic sense of fair play like he's the british and the revolutionary war and and and we're the scrappy guerrilla a planet. I don't i guess right or the intergalactic geneva can yeah So ended less seen. Coal is now a mortal kombat champion. He's gotta go seek out some other heroes. He tells his trainer or the tells. The guy at the gym. Who books is like black market. Fights is now is that is going hollywood. And he goes okay. And then the the trainer whoever booker walks by a poster for a movie called citizen cage starring johnny cage wearing a big buckle that says cage and i was like to not know how movies and movie posters work like or or is everyone in this movie playing themselves because usually when you make a movie. Your name's not in the title and you don't have a belt. Buckle with your name. On it like character shirley kaufman wrote the screenplay for citizens get it reminds understand. It's a meta commentary on action movies now and so they're teasing that at some point in the future we're gonna get johnny cage. Who is a movie star. What is he stewart. Yeah he's action movie star he's an action star and they're going to get him for real because he's a champion skills to and he. He was the one who had the famous nut punch ability that he used on goro. In the mortal kombat movie from the ninety s. I'll right where he does a split and then he punches on you know what my favorite now so he can get on. Nut level is that what show. Yeah okay him showing off what my nuts can do yours. Can't then he punches them. Say like a nut punch ability. Seems like the worst are can't like i could do nut punt. That would be nice. I'm gonna call your bluff on that one buddy. I'm not gonna get enough. I you know not tammy. Dan's brag about his punch abilities was mainly to dissuade people from him guy. So trying to fight me all mortal kombat. Let's last week our final judgments judgments sorry. I was just going to say we get a. We get a theme song over the credits. That is not as good as the original theme song from the original mortal kombat movie now. The original one the did edited. Ed de dah. Dah dah dah. Dah dah okay. I didn't even credits. i died. A mortal combat did to do do do you know they don't think it's the same way that you don't hear godzillas roar in the new godzilla movie. 'cause they don't wanna pay for it. I think i assume they're like somebody owns the rights to that. We don't wanna use it. I thought it was weird. Replace it with. Oh yeah from ferris. Buehler's day off but allah twix commercials but okay. That's you know whatever you wanna do you know this one was done by katie language. I don stint com bad worth. Yeah works perfect. Yeah and it stands for combat d. Lang of course. Yeah to the k in the mortal kombat university so dance we final judgments when we say whether we thought this is a bad movie. A bad movie or movie. We kind of laugh. We knew what we were doing. We are professionals. We would say whether this movie was a flawless victory. Oh a or one of the other ones. But we didn't so we're still going with our same category out really this. We call it before. A nut tally talented talented or a tell. So dan what did you sounds like a terrible candy bar. I you know. I kind of liked this movie. I gotta say i. It benefited from my absolutely low expectations. And the fact that it was nice to watch like a new big dumb action movie at home after a year of like not having stuff like that I agree with andy that i liked that they had had the absolute minimum of plot between fights even though the plot was also unnecessarily complex but they didn't linger over it enough for me to be like come on and they put more care into it than i would have expected out of a mortal kombat movies so i'll give it that it's not that great but but as i was not mad after washing it. Let's just put it that way. So let's go to stuart williams to say. Yeah i mean. I think my closest to the source material is probably a hindrance here but yeah i feel like especially introducing this whole arcana idea where you get magic powers by getting a weird birthmark. Like feels weird like the idea. That jackson's magic power is that has already weird metal arms. just got bigger like what So like what would have happened. If his arms didn't get frozen off dan I don't i don't know arms gotten bigger than anyway even bigger arms or maybe you would have had little arms growing out of his regular arms parts of the hulk. Only one part and the home home. Yeah yeah everybody's right on this. So i'm going to say i think i think this is a i would say this is kind of a bad bad. I d i didn't care for this. Although i think the opening in the end fight are both pretty fun. I'll watch joe taslim do anything. Well let's give our guests the final words elliott what you have to say. I think you know what. I think. Similar to dan. I think my going in were so low that this ended up being not exactly a movie. I kinda liked but a movie that i didn't mind and the fact that i mean. This movie is somehow almost two hours long but it didn't feel that long. Maybe because like the movie maybe it was because the movie kind of moves relatively quickly. Maybe it's because. I was doing dishes the whole time that i was watching but either way this was not a movie necessarily kind of liked but i don't it wasn't quite bad bad or good bad for me but again i have. No if this was a a group of characters that i cared about. I would have been like. What is this like. What's going on here. But since i have no connection to the mk you know and our honored guests was you have to say but would you like me to go. Hey this bad bad you wanna tell me. This is based on a video game. I want shakiness any. I wasn't choked. I wanna have some fun with that because it's nonsense right so you got to have these people at the very least be fun to watch as they go about this very silly journals very and they weren't having fun with that and that's what made me so mad. If felt very lazy guy fighter daughter realm fi. We did it happen. They should've called had a punch-up room song and was like who are. Cain was the only one and then he's like only in it for like thirty minutes. I think i'm gonna say good bad and again with the asterisk that it could have been quarantine euphoria that made me enjoy it so much like not not that. You were euphoric in quarantine. No like dan. i've seen something new. Yes there's something new it was it could have also been. We have a tradition in our house where we play boggle on our phones while we watch things we call that boggle toggle. I'm kidding doesn't have a phrase. Now boggled tom now. Wherever so. It could have been partly distracted. I liked kaneohe. i like. I like that actor that actors from my house of lies and superstore. He'll apparently slade. Paul hogan in a two part miniseries called hogan's the life of paul hogan australian tv which hold all hogan story a two part australian mini series from two thousand seventeen with now. I really wanted way to parts for australia's biggest export respected human dan. Australia has a really respected film film. Community he's fine. Say we cue a bow seasons a hoax order ourselves. Some hoagies and watch that shit mayor of east down. Yes i on hoagies. So i love that captain. America hat guy. I love the just. How stupid at all was. I needed stupidity. All right i think it just came at me. I think this particular amount of stupidity came into my life at the right time. It was like a meet cute. And and that's what made me you enjoy. I enjoyed making fun of it with naomi and that could have just been part of it. Well that's part of what keeps us going making fun of things that meet cute. I just imagined mortal combat drops all its papers in the hallway. Many you pick it up and like that's how the romance europa you're walking your dog and mortal combat is late for a big job interview and you bump into each other and the dog like runs around the two of us so that the leash pulls you close together and you just keep after that you just keep running into each other and you do not like it until suddenly. 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So i would say watermelons also of the melons. I would say there's some other melons or a little bit lower. I would say raspberries or my favorite berry. So that's an st or barrier tournament competition rate. Here is you've got. You've got the winners of each of these different climbing classes. And and then i would say payers. I'd like pears. Wow we're not doing enough about payers as a cult. Turn hearing enough. Met more mellow than an apple for me. I'm working on article for teen vogue about it. Here's used to be everywhere. What happens now and of course eliot famously hates all fruits so except my son constantly. Corrects me that cucumbers are fruit. So i guess. I like one. Oh would you really not like. I don't like them. Don't like the taste smell texture. It's disgusting to me anyway. Is there any free at sweets. Not particularly. I don't really have much of a sweet tooth to be so that's part of. I'm not much into i like i like savory things and i like things that i like parts of animals. That's basically like you like something that you like something. That's unconscious you like an anxiousness. Don't really know what that word means that. Yes it's like an oily fatty nece. Yes yes very much so yeah sure so well. We've got that going for us anyway. So the first letters from ryan last name withheld who writes dear philosophers recently while relaxing after covid. Vaccine dose number. Two i took a chance on watching. Willies wonderland this recent cage. Bonus so fun. I won't even say more about it other than involves everyone's favorite member of the couple of family trapped in chucky cheese nightmare with fully real costume actors playing the heck out of some really wonderfully designed murderous animatronic outfits. I was blown away by. How generally 'sorry genuinely funny frightening and kick ass. This movie could be at times. Especially since i only click on the movie four after the rare for me anyway urge to watch something stupid okay. Well that's why tripped up because it wasn't a fever. No no it's ryan last night with help with a last or best time you picked a dumb movie that turned out to be a genuine delight to watch bonus points for one. You wish. he'd seen in theaters. Because man i'd have loved seeing didn't see this on the big screen kloppers rise up ryan last name withheld. So does anyone have an example of a good movie that they picked thinking like. Oh this'll be a dumb lark and then realizing that they actually genuinely enjoyed it. I mean in a way. I did get that experience in the theaters with little movie. Called cats which we've talked about plenty on on the house. Rail went to see it. Because we're doing it for the flop house and it's one of those movies where at this point my roenick liking of it has gone into a new level where i'm just like oh god blesses people made cats. They didn't know what they were doing. But like certainly come up with what they wanted to make but they came out with something. You know interesting andy. Did you have one. I i do go. Yeah clifford starring charles grodin short I thought it was just going to be some dumb crap. And i'm just like well march. I'll just put it on charles. I of aren't sure it is just like playing the heck out of ten. You're an insane ten-year-old but charles grodin is. I mean it's charles grind but he is incredible. His timing is incredible on it. He is so good at playing that character. And if does anyone do you have you seen it's on. Hbo maps it. Is i like how junior. Maximum easter mean-spirited. That movie is like you think it's just gonna be like a dumb like a problem child or whatever but he doesn't mean it is a mean movie about people doing mean things to each other. Which makes it a lot funnier. Yeah i hadn't seen. It wasn't for me but i will say like i didn't expect that ending like all like when charles grodin does kind of go off on delivered. And it's like i'm gonna ruin you. I thought that was very satisfying. 'cause i usually hate when like a kid is bad and then of course no one else sees and then the person feels like they're taking crazy pills so i like that part like i didn't think that was going to happen. Say mason clever. Yeah i mean this sort of thing happens to me every once in a while with like tv shows. I mean. I remember when my when my wife and i were like trying to figure out something to watch and i was probably like fucking around with a miniature or something. And she's like well. Why don't we put on this show called instant hotel which is a show where australian airbnb owners compete against each other to have the best instant hotel which is a term. I'm assuming they made up for the show because they can't airbnb and within like halfway through the first episode we were totally hooked now the first season you can't you can't catch that lightning in a bottle twice so the first season's great i totally recommend that shit into we have seen on the big screen that would have been amazing geno lakes. I seasons wild. But i would say for movies kidnapped. The halle berry. Suv thriller kidnap with a peo. Not kidnapped kidnaps kidnapped Yeah i mean i. I'm having a hard time with like one. That i think is maybe like genuinely like i would unabashedly recommend a folks but i. I think i've mentioned on the on the show in the past that we started watching d'appel ganger the drew barrymore nineties thriller about drew barrymore. Who may or may not have a doppler ganger going around murdering folks around her a drubel game and i was. We put it on at like twelve thirty nine. I think it was after like a. We recorded a flop house. Many and i just wanted to like having on for a couple of minutes to come down. You know like before bed and figured like we'll turn it off but we ended up watching the whole thing and it is i i it straddles. The line one might call it a bad movie because so much of the joy of it is how weird everyone is acting and some of them are not acting particularly well but the film spirals into madness in a way that i was not expecting. I don't like it ends up in a place that i don't think anyone watching the first ten minutes would expect and i really enjoyed that. Do you have anything you confused. You don't have to have one. I don't have one. I feel like clifford should have been mind. But i still because i was like. Why is he so evil. I hate evil children. So i don't have also in real life. I don't like precocious kind lives in that world. I'm like yeah it. Yeah i win. A child acts like an adult movie. And we're supposed to find that charming. It's just like what are you all seeing here this. It's always horrible. It's that's that's that's the book henry syndrome where henry is such an unlikable like no it all jerk and everyone is like henry. He's the best of us henry. You so wonderful. His parents let his parents let him order from the from the waiter by himself. And it's like no you should order for it. He's just a little kid. Get paid to deal with your children so we have another letter. It is from john. Last name withheld. Who writes in reading about the nineteen ninety-four movie north. I saw director. Rob reiner defend it. By claiming it was a quote modern day fable and i realized that any movie that's described by the director as a fable or fairy tale for adults is bound to be terrible. Do you guys at any red flags and movie summaries trailers that make you think the movie will be garbage. Thanks for all the fun. John last name withheld. I just want to jump in. And say i think i think andy was pointing out that That north features. Plenty o- precocious children that everyone loves right boy. Yeah what was the movie. No s which they talked about previous episode. Which is my only knowledge of the movie is okay you also you also have gotten from timothy. The modern day fable is surprisingly retrograde when it comes to the presentation of ethnic groups and genders but I i'll jump in here and say that something i've never liked. I'm not a fan of the structure. That movie trailers us. Now they all use it. I find it really super manipulative. Because they're in in boring but anytime a trailer. They don't do this as much. But i feel like in the nineties. There were a lot of trailers that would just be made up of people saying the main characters name over and over again and it'd be like mumford mumford mumford. And you'd be like well if you had something fun to show me you'd show it to me but instead you're just showing me that the main character of the movie is in the movie. People are identifying that that character. So it's it's always it's a real sign to me that they didn't have a lot to advertise for the movie. But also us when you watch like an action movie and you see some of the trailer say kick the tires and light the fires people or like be in the middle of the interesting to see them go. I told you this was going to be fun. I know that that's movie is going to be not very good or at least it's going to be disappointing similar to that saying the name over and over There's always the trope where it's like columbia pictures would like to introduce you to a special character and that will change your life forever once you meet them. You'll never be the same you know. It's like fuck you. I don't eat billionaire. Shit person you went to let me know about. I don't care if the if the trailer mentions a visionary director. I'm like we'll see about that. Yeah well anytime. There's a quote that says specifically in american classic. That always bugs me. Because i don't. I don't know what that supposed to mean. I don't know what the modifier american means on classic except that like you like middle-brow academy award winning movie. That like is not as good as a movie from another country is what you're telling me you're not good enough to be a real classic. It's it bugs me. I don't like the devaluation of the american. I'm a patriot anyway. Have you been following. Must reading my stack. We're following me on parlour a lot of stuff to talk about i don't like when Anybody returns home and you them on a porch. I'm not like any indie. Like i'm back home in my small town. I don't want to be there. But i'm about to learn a lesson the pearl and there's always the part in the trailer wear now it's switching gears and they're gonna show you scenes from the second half the movie wherever and learned their lesson and there's like a acoustic guitar or some kind of sad kind of folk type song but it's supposed to be uplifting it. Yeah gross. Yeah i two of them. One is that thx. Metal sound like the metal. Bending sound i hear that. I know it's not a good movie. I just need that one. Sound like pavlovian pavlova in my brain right you hear that. Do you guys know what. I'm talking about that sound. That likes that thing dropped. Yeah yeah also. If the song sells brea hill is played the trailer. I should have mentioned that. Yeah i'm not going say that movie but anyway using any interrupted and anyone that says we're gonna need a bigger anyone though. I takes like an old like thing like from jaws or something. Says we're gonna need like a big gun or whatever like a monster comes on screen and they turn to each other something like that or if one of the smurfs turns to the camera and says what the smurfs or something like that. And you're like i get it. Just say you know that word. Just say carl words. If i'm watching a trailer and a record scratches like what i know it's gonna be hilarious story Okay well we do have one final segment on the show and that is called recommendations movies that might be more worth your time than the one. We talked about I'll kick us off. I have. I've had a big blind spot in the world of japanese animation. Just because it's the dumb reason. I realized that The way they animate they the frame rate is different and it looks herky-jerky to me and i have never quite adjusted. I have have slowly started coming around and so while here on vacation We watched the castle of keg. Leo stroh enjoyed quite a bit. Like you know i've seen some of the later mizuki movies you know the more sort of gentle whimsical ones and it is fun to go back to an earlier. One where it's like. It's still got a lot of the the weirdness but it's also tied to this almost like swinging sixties vibe and I dunno i. it was just like this goofy goofy. Smile story like Well not really spy. But it's fine. Gentlemen thief. I had a lot of fun not going to say a lot about it because i'm sick but i enjoyed it is castle. Kaley is one of my all time favorite movies. I love it so much. Thank you very recommended recommending. I'm glad to have brought a smile stewart. Space stewart you work oh man I just watched on hulu last night. A great little sex comedy. Sex positive comedy called plan b directed by actress stanley morale. And it's super great. It's about a pair of teenage girls. And i wanna say north dakota and it involves one of them. Having to get the the Plan b contraceptive and the various travails of having to try and procure this. It is interestingly. My my wife and i were watching it. And she brought up the idea that like when there's been a trend of like these sex positive comedies with a gender switch whereas traditionally was like boys being boys whatever but with with women. There's sometimes the like threat of gendered. Violence makes the stakes so much higher. I don't know and also just like the the results of misbehavior can be significantly. More damaging but Yeah it's still needs to be so funny and heart warming and just fucking great man. Check it out. I'll going to recommend a movie. now watch out. it's me coming at ya now. People have been following. the show. recently. Know that i'm on czech new wave kick on the criterion channel. But i'm going to take a break from that today. I did briefly. Cj consider recommending another check new movie. But i also took a break is like. I haven't watched an old old movie in a while and i watched movie called picture. Snatcher from nineteen thirty-three. It's james cagney. Movie directed by lloyd bacon the director with the most delicious name of all directors and james. Cagney is a guy who's getting out of jail and he gets a job as a photographer for kind of like sleazy tabloid newspaper that runs on shocking photographs. And it is a very pre code movie where it is like the main character is. It's like i got a sneak into this prison and take a picture of a woman getting electrocuted and the electric chair without the police finding out and then he does it. And it's like a and by the end of you're waiting him to learn the lesson that he shouldn't doing the do these things and he never really does. James cagney is so is so charismatic in it and the movie kind of koreans wildly from comedy to drama and back again Like the kind of thing that's mostly comedy but then it ends with a character being shot to death on camera so like it's not. There's not entirely comedy. But it was a real. It was a real fun movie Are women treated with as much respect as they deserve in it. No not quite but The but is moving. I didn't thirty-three it's super short. It runs it a real fast clip as law. Those cagney movies do And it was real fun. It's called picture snatcher. And what might jimmy cagney sound like. Yeah he'd be like Well i don't see why we have to put all this money into mortal kombat champion. The private sector seems to be handling the issue perfectly. Well so that's that's jimmy cagney impression. How was that comes up for me. I still don't know by the way s somehow better than a which doesn't make any sense. I don't get it but what movies alphabetically you've been watching you liked other than clifford. Tell me if this couch or not. This is a series of documentaries by curtis are feature called. Can't get you out of my head. And if that doesn't if that doesn't fit the criteria then his two thousand sixteen documentary hyper normalization. I love adam. Curtis a lot. I think he's great documentarian. He makes dog. Who's the thin blue line. Kinda guy morris arrow morris. Same way i'm going to make a documentary but it's going to have style to it and adam curtis just really interesting documentaries about basically like they're basically like philosophical dissertations on. How did we get to the hell. We're living in right now. An every one of his is like a just a different kind of looked different facet of the twentieth into the twentieth century and starts with little stories and then he takes a little stories and the expands them to explain like these larger cultural kinds of patterns and the new one can't get you out of my head. Is a six episode series of these feature length documentaries like looking. At how like individualism took over for collectivism and how that is the positives of that and also the negatives in in the twentieth and twenty first century very little show us our dynamic in household. Because what i'm going to say as little shop lahore's rick moranis version. Yeah it is a fun time and you reminded me of that because you were like i was like. What movies do we watch because we have been an eighties nineties. Kick guess over quarantined. I can also set kerala. it's not grow. I was also pretty great too long but gorgeous but yeah little shop awards so funny to me. It's like timeless. I can still go back and just like it's so funny. And i think like also one of the few for movie musicals. That is actually good. Movie musicals are really hard and people keep trying to make them you know nowadays and they just like don't work but i'm telling you little shop horrors and play can sing it with a loved one of the best things about little shop other than you know how funny it is and how like amazing the effects still are also In terms of making it work as a musical it walks that line between looking kind of like a stage production very stylized while still looking like a movie and yeah. That makes it work really. Well guys thank you so much This perked me right up. Thank you you sound healthy again. It's like laughter. Might be the best medicine patch. Adams third is. It has become my attending so before we go. We're going to ask. I believe if you had any plugs and if you wanted to mention your way can be found on the web and such and such sure. I host a podcast called couples therapy where it used to be live. Show then after quarantine it's We basically talked to comedians and comedic actors about their relationships and then answer listeners. Advice questions it's a good time natalie. Morales was just mentioned. Has been on the show. Before was james cagney ever on the show. What buddy sound like elliott on the show question while it's made james cagney harvey. That's james cagney right. Yeah yeah that's fun for me. I guess we could just plug couples. Therapy watched bit mythic west on apple. Tv i think we're having a real good time as long as a episode. Just debuted where she is basically the main character. That is very sweet. But the van i have to. I have to admit. I have watched myth and enjoyed mythic quest and it was only after. I like followed you on twitter. Like oh shit. She's the hr person on mythic less. It's so good. I really enjoy that show. Thank you for coming on for video game. That's real tight end but perfect. No it's kind of really should have made more of a big stink about at the top. That like there's an actual theme reason other than andy just harassing twitter. Saying that you guys to talk about this asking is a strong word. Okay okay maybe not harassing in the minutes holding back this whole time. This rage of feeling conservative. These james cagney softballs. All i know i should really be thankful. It's too bad that james cagney is one of the one of the people that i have no good impression of not that my other impressions that's supposed to my other impressions which are spot on flawless victory. Yeah well thank you again. Thank you to maximum fund dot org for being our network. I mean that's not the name of the network. That's the name of the website you can go to check out other podcasts. I'm fading and fading finally happened. It's just like day went to pick up lunch at popeye's dot com die. Elliot's stopping he wants it to be done. Sorry sorry yeah thank you thank you you know. Tell people's about us Thank you for supporting us anyway. Then coy i'm in store. Wellington and also thank you to jordan cowling for producing our show. Yes thank you insperity. I'm elliot kalem or am i. Perhaps i'm james cagney and thank you for joining us tonight. Nam yet. Baragan edie beckerman by you know stewart's act sweet mangoes all the time and i've painted with that brush. No it's not that. The problem's not the eating of mangoes the problems that you miss part of a movie we were talking about because as you said you had to go cut a mango up and so become shorthand in our house. Sammy older son. He's always like. I'm like dan didn't do this thing and he's like what was he. Busy cutting a mango shorthand in our house for what. Dan is busy with at the moment. Maximum fund dot org. Comedy and culture artist owned audience supported.

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The Evening Briefing: Thursday, March 25

The Briefing

02:23 min | 4 months ago

The Evening Briefing: Thursday, March 25

"Hello i'm chris. Price with the briefing from the telegraph. It's thursday march the twenty fifth and the uk second covid jeb. Rollouts being discussed in the eu. So right now. European leaders a holding crunch tokes on vaccine balls and s lafond aligns ordered briefings of ambassadors to highlight the uk's dependency on e. u. Supplies european commission president says the uk needs you. Imports to ensure twenty. Six million britons can have their second shot of the coronavirus vaccine but leaders divided on the way forward over fears of a vaccine trade war. John called janka remember him. He's attacked his successor as european commission. President he says she starting stupid vaccine war with britain economics at the russell lynch and license. How europe's anglo-saxon phobias proving deadly. Meanwhile matt hancock submitted. He can't guarantee the covid legislation approved by npr. Today will be retired in six months yet. The prime minister's being urged to think again about covid vaccine paul sports for pubs. Michael goes indicated people who've recovered from covid and have antibodies could be allowed in. You can read six minefields for vaccine possibles and remind what you can and cannot do from march the twenty nine thousand walk down eases joe biden's announced he's doubling the us's vaccination talk to two hundred million within the next fifty days. He speaking at his first formal press conference since taking office. You can follow what's being said and it still happening at this briefing was sent out right now. It comes. Optimistic biden tasked vice president. Kamala harris with one of the most pressing and politically sensitive tasks of his administration tackling. The migration crisis on the southern border jesse and saw analyze is whether to make or break the vice president and simon mccoy's became renowned for his dry commentary and humor when reading the news. Now he's announced. He's leaving the bbc. After eighteen years and will join. Gb news later this year is the biggest tv channel since gone. Us launched thirty years ago. You can relieve some of mccoy's best moments on screen home with older fast you can read ross clark. While there's no happy ending to the twenty twenty one housing boom and campaigner. Meg matthews on how to be menopause white gain as it. You're up to date. Danny will have you next briefing.

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The 1A Movie Klub: 'Mortal Kombat'

1A

46:17 min | 3 months ago

The 1A Movie Klub: 'Mortal Kombat'

"This is one a. I'm jen widen washington. If you're of a certain age or you spent time in an arcade this music will likely ring a bell government food since its debut in nineteen ninety-two mortal kombat has become one of the best. Selling video game franchises ever spawning eighteen games and three feature films when it comes to the first two movies fans have very strong mostly negative thoughts about them but now twenty six years after the first movie. Mortal kombat is back. The latest film broke box office records with the biggest opening weekend of any r. Rated movies since the start of the pandemic and for this month's edition of the one movie club. We're talking about it. So consider this your spoiler warning. We're joined by dave schilling. He's the co host of the galaxy. Brains podcast from polygon. Dave welcome thanks for having me. Also with us is gita jackson. She's a staff writer at motherboard from vice and the co host of waypoint radio. Welcome back to the show gita. Thanks for having me and with us. Karen han a staff writer at slate. Karen welcome hi. Thank you so much. I'm so excited to get into mortal combat with you guys. Keep it nonviolent. I'm kidding okay. So you you wrote a review of the new mortal kombat movie for slate. The title is the new mortal kombat movie rule. So i feel like i know the answer. Is there but tell us what you thought of the movie. I mean i had so much fun with it. I was talking to a few friends and we are wondering. Do we like this movie so much like because movie going. The pandemic has been kind of such a lackluster year. Or is it just because this movie is genuinely fun I tend to think the answer to that. Question is the ladder It just does a good job of delivering. Exactly what it's supposed to. Which is a bunch of guys fighting like that is all that immortal combat movie has to do and it absolutely accomplishes that dave what about you. Oh boy well i mean. I'm going to disagree slightly. I did enjoy the movie. But it didn't offer the one thing every mortal kombat story supposed to offer and that is the mortal kombat tournament folks. Not having the tournament is sort of like star wars not having a war in space in it. So were you immortal combat fan before this absolutely yes i mean i am a certain age to have been entrenched by the video games the movies the whole mythology the universe of it so yeah i was kind of expecting turn on a movie called mortal kombat there will be a mortal kombat tournament and yet here we are in this non mortal kombat tournament world. And i'm very perplexed. Voicemail from will in north carolina. I saw the new mortal kombat movie. And i really liked it. I say this of course the guy who hasn't really played a lot of it. I i have very little knowledge so some people here are the main character was bad. I thought you know this guy doesn't know anything about mortal combat. I don't know anything about mortal combat the same level. The fights were awesome. Music was nice. A good blend of pleasing the fans and having enough There to to have the general public understand it. Okay i want to hear your take. Do you think this was a good movie or was it. Good for mortal kombat movie. I watched last night. And i have to say not only did i really have a great time with it. It made me really urine for the experience of seeing a movie in a theater with other people. There's so many moving moments in this movie that are clearly built like you can really tell. I think it really takes seeing it outside of a movie theater being alone to see how blockbuster action movies are built differently from other films you can see. The film is paced towards these intense moments of celebration where everyone in. The room is going to have a vocal reaction. There are so many points where me and my partner returned to each other and just like. I wish we could hear everyone cheering during this moment. But not only that. I felt like there's actually an article up on waypoint today by cameron councilman that goes into the plot of the mortal kombat games. And how this movie actually reflects the expansiveness of the law or more accurately than reach doing a retread of the first original ninety five movie that cover the tournament arc. In fact he knows. Cameron says news article which i read this morning and i think is pretty informative that a lot of the recent games. Don't actually have a terminator at all turn. Art is orthogonal fell to the actually important. Lor things that are happening. This feels like this movie feels like it. Not only is a wonderful action movie. That's a lot of fun that i wish. I could see with a lot of people in a big room on a hot sunny day but like it reflects the reality of what mortal kombat has become in the intervening years. since release. well steven tweets. I have been a mortal kombat fan since i spent. What must have been over two hundred dollars. Mastering sonya blade and ninety two. I really enjoyed the new movie love mythology and the way they explained the character's energy power. It was ridiculous. But then i'm reminded that it is mortal combat after all what you expect and we sat down with mortal kombat director and producer. Simon mccoy ahead of this show and asked him about the decision to introduce a new main character for the film. And here's what he had to say. There were a couple of reasons. Actually the festively mortal combat over at last several decades of its existence have new characters all the time it's become one of the things is ideal characters now and so there's place them. we felt. It was okay to do that. It was kind of a mortal combat thing to two and then the other reason is we need a first set of is inside the movie to take the audiences true. It might not be that. I've with all the information in mortal kombat of which there's a law so that that was the reason the mine reasons actually and He as he learned the audience loans and allowed us to to unlock and up and up. Some of the information that we needed to dave. What did you think about the introduction of this new main character cole. Young well. I i agree with simon about the need to have someone who can express the audience befuddled any given point in in a film like this. I think that's kind of a common trope in genre filmmaking. Which is every once in a while character needs to say what exactly is going on right now. Who who is that. Why is that happening. How come just glowing that kind of stuff. So it is a pivotal screenwriting trope in a lot of these movies. Going all the way back to you again. Just a reference star wars like mortal kombat has a lot in common with star. Wars is star wars has multiple point of view characters. That ask those questions. If it's luke if it's hans solo and then you know in the in the sequel trilogy having ray and finn asking questions all the time like that's important for these mythology heavy films. Do i feel like it was a fantastic addition to the mythology of mortal kombat. No but i understand why it was there. It was a tool with which to tell the story. That is really probably one of the most elaborate mythologies in all video games karen. What about you. I agree and then. I think he's sort of necessary for the movie. Because there's so much lower like there's that car that comes up right after the initial sequence that explains the premises of out world and earth realm and what mortal combat. The tournament is But i feel like having to explain too much of that via initial tax to be too much so it's helpful to have coal there to kind of details out about like the arcana about the mortal combat symbols that they all have have to show that they're champions that said. I do think he's very much a movie character. Like i don't think. I could see him necessarily in one of the main games at least not until they develop his powers a little bit more now. Gita mortal kombat has a ton of characters and we got to see some of the most recognizable ones like scorpion and sub zero. How do you feel about the time. The movie spent with the classic characters. Actually one of the things. I wanted to point out was how was to see that they had cast a black woman to play a molina. I know when the game when the the most recent world combat introduced character and the game. They had the rapper. Megan thee stallion. 'cause play her as part of the announcement and the scheme is like a huge game very popular game in the final game community. Which is a largely black community in. This game is a lot of the black people so you know it doesn't. I'm disappointed that i didn't get to see a lot of reptile. The player character that my partner place most often because he likes to do acid stuff. But i also feel like every single appearance of each character. Like how do you meaningful moment for fans of those characters and the way the movie is structured. It gives you a lot of reasons. Why the movie is focused on the characters. It is focused on but every time legacy character shows up. Everybody who's ever touched a mortal kombat game has an like hell. Yes moment what kelly tweets. It was a fun movie and definitely better than most video game adaptations. I'm looking at you. Ninety-three super mario brothers and josh lawson as kino's stole the show you know dave i can. I can imagine someone sitting at home and being like what are they. What are they talking about. How familiar do you need to be with mortal kombat and the lower around the video game to enjoy the movie. Let's that's a great question because as we've been talking about this movie was designed from the ground up to hopefully introduce people to this franchise who aren't otherwise fans but at the same time. It is peppered with references to the game two allusions to things that you've seen in the other the other films or in tv show because there was a tv show very briefly. Or the the video. Game reboot the most recent reboot that means. It's kind of hard to jump in completely like you have to know a little bit about mortal kombat to like this movie. We're talking all things mortal kombat and video game movies. We'll be back with more in a moment. this message comes from. Npr sponsor usc marshall school of business. Discover where today's leadership innovations meet. Tomorrow's critical business challenges. Usc marshall school of business executive education is where business professionals go for lifelong learning and career. 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That help you notice things in your world that maybe you didn't see before listened to the podcast from npr. We're talking about the latest installment in the mortal kombat film franchise. Let's jump back into the conversation. With some of your comments patricio tweets mortal kombat delivered on all levels. I can't wait till mortal kombat to and google plus addict tweets. This movie was fun as hell even went to the theater. Ford i'm in my mid thirties. A lifelong fan of the franchise. We sat down with mortal kombat director and producer. Simon mccoy and asked him about translating video game characters to film. It was a enjoyable experience. Actually studying h of these characters and seeing with i bain so we spend a lot of time. It's been around for so long and there's been so many directions they these characters in pre production. We put up in this huge room. All in we put up all the every version we could possibly find and was given to every character over the years and we put them up on the wall and we realized that there was a common thread for each of the characters going through different directions. And what i was trying to do was use those as a jumping off point to realize these characters and in the most powerful connected why i possibly could and so that when you see scope in for the first time he looks like scorpion back into the history and there's an ability and there's more liars to him emotionally and literally in the costumes and simple now karen. Mortal kombat is a fighting game. It has a lot of law but not a lot of dialogue and characterization house success what do you think the movie was at fleshing out these video game characters with all due respect to simon mcquaid again. I loved the movie. But i don't necessarily know that i would say that. These characters struck me as particularly deep or any more developed than they are in the games. I think it's just to a certain degree a side effect of having so many characters at once. There's only so much Explaining that you can do about where they're coming from and what's up with them but on the same token the things that they do do in order to establish characters like scorpion has united. He throws with the chain like almost immediately. Subzero can freeze things. All the traits that they do keep are so iconic also immediately colorful that. it doesn't necessarily. It's not necessarily a bad thing that you're not like i don't understand all this character's motivations and backstory dave what about you as a mortal fan. How did you feel about how the iconic characters were represented. Oh i think that everyone had a motivation of some kind or some chip on their shoulder. That made them need to succeed in this environment. Which i appreciate it sonia. You know trying to prove herself. Coal not a classic character but very well defined want in problem kaneohe fill a role. That's very important in that kind of middle section. the movie being both antagonised and comic relief. I mean i think scorpion and sub zero. Do we know enough about them to really care about their rivalry. Not quite but you get that prologue where they have the climactic battle. Where we're scorpion is killed and then goes to the afterlife. That's enough for you to have kind of invest on the level. The movie needs you to invest in their journey. Now gita the nineteen ninety five film version of mortal kombat came under fire a forced whitewashing of characters. Like lord raden. Reading is a japanese character. That was portrayed by a white actor. How do you think this version did at representing those characters like eddie movie where the number of white actors is too. So i had a pretty good time watching this. I feel like it's particularly important to note that they hired some very renewed. Japanese actors to cure. Yuki sanita as scorpion. Is frankly perfect. And doing everything that i want to see that character do. This is a this is a franchises developed in was created in chicago but the characters in the game are mostly asian. So it's really nice to see the casting reflect that we've moved beyond the also. These actors are so beautiful. I just have to say this is like a perfectly constructed blockbuster because every single person on screen is always the most beautiful person that could possibly be on screen at the time. The actor that played luke. Aying ludi lin is like just one of the most beautiful people have ever seen in my life. Well frank tweets. It was a joy to see them. Bring these legacy characters back to the big screen you could fill the moments where the whole theater would have cheered while watching it at home on the couch in has different take. He tweets. Not even taking into account coal young. I think the new mortal kombat movie was horrible. Bad story and terrible dialogue. I understand not one hundred percent retelling the story but this missed the mark by a long shot it dave along those lines the two i mortal the first two mortal kombat movies are notoriously terrible. Remind us what what fans had to say about those fields. Okay hold on what. I mortal kombat. Film is terrible. That's combat film is terrible. It's actually the american cinema. Classic is an example of camp. It is also thrilling to watch. It's responsible for one of the best electronic music signs ever nine hundred and five a mortal kombat. That song is a classic. I feel like thank. You call beg. Grins ad stood for me. This is fantastic to talk. They are going. I don't think anybody who has any affection for the series also loves that first movie if we is it love love or is it hate love. No there's no hate. I was again the perfect age. I was like twelve or something when this movie came out. And i loved. Mortal combat is not as violent as this one for a variety of reasons and we might get into about the negative reaction to violence in the in the games but it does capture just like a sense of on an in grand silliness that is it was appealing to kids at that time and i think would still be appealing to kids that they watched it. Today it's more of a superhero. We kind of environment in this more gritty almost fast and furious esque mortal kombat film. That came out this year. Okay kick you. You seem to have really strong feelings about this. How old were you when you saw that film. I was six years old. Okay yeah look this is. My parents made me like allowing to watch movies. I definitely shouldn't have seen a degree in cinema studies and the journey i took on mainstream saying my was the one i think. A lot of people who studied cinema are familiar with where you go in using that with a lot of disdain for the craft that goes into making movies like this and then you come out and you just love any movie that allows you to feel joy and the thing that you will get out of mortal kombat is a lots of heads. Exploding people acting ridiculous. You boost shooting laser beams lake lightning at a guy with six arms like there's no expression of joy greater than that in cinema for me is like someone just watching a whole bunch of actors have an excellent time. Also claude van damme. Isn't that movie like you can't see that movies badge. Their feed fighter vindamme streetfighter not three yes and the mortal combat ninety nine hundred is a pg thirteen. So it's perfectly fine for the whole family that this conversation is bringing me so much joy. Curated your take. I mean i will admit that. I am not familiar with i. Two mortal kombat movies. That came out. But i've seen enough clips to kind of get the gist of what everyone's talking about and i will say like the longer that i the longer that i live. I guess the more movies that i watched the more. I'm inclined to feel kindly towards movies like this and towards the i like nineteen ninety-five mortal kombat movie. Where it's like as long as you committing to the bit that you're doing as long as you're doing something ambitious and at least doing one thing well or even just committing to something. I'm vicious and failing. It's more interesting than any movie. That's just doing mediocre things and just doing okay at them like. I'm sure i'll come under fire for this. But i feel more kindly towards this mortal kombat movie than i do towards the majority of like marvel movies that we've seen recently which are kind of retreading the same formula and not trying anything new whereas with this. It's like it's perfectly silly. it's not trying to be taken too seriously and it's fun in that respect who i had. Yeah i feel like I was thinking about this last night. Actually the comparison to marvel movies in general right now. American audiences are really only seen one kind of action movie. And i really wanted to say you know. In terms of those movies. Cinematography their shot in ways. That make the costumes really visible. Because ultimately they are in some ways advertisements for everything else. The disney and marvel properties have to offer in terms of merchandising. So they don't look great. They look they're really washed out. They look like they're shot in the parking lot. Lot of the time In came in. Not only that. But it's really created this environment where every single representation of magical powers in marvel movies now are like glowing orbs and it's just so refreshing to watch a movie where like someone's magical powers street up the laser beam they she would out of their eyeball instead of just like glowing orbs and people kind of clearly floating on wires in the middle of an airport. Hangar feels refreshing in. Its so lucky that this movie was able to draw the bombastic visuals of the original compact ends this. This is all really fascinating to me. We got this comment from memphis on twitter. Who said i had pretty low expectations initially but the action real quickly. I love an action movie. That doesn't take forever before we get a good action or fight scene and double complex tweets. I haven't seen it yet but watch the first two in theaters video game. Movies should reflect the game. They're inspired by fighting. Games might be better cheesy while games with deep lor like zelda would benefit from a deeper well acted. Fantasy trilogy occurred in your review of the movie. You talk about. How the film work's because it leans into the silly insane fight scenes explain a bit more. How the fight scenes are handled in the film. So i mean there's a very practical aspect to why a lot of the fight scenes work which most of the actors if not all of them are doing the majority of their own stunts. And you can tell through editing. Like i think of a lot of action movies where you can kind of clearly tell their stunt doubles doing the work because you don't see the characters face for about two minutes or you see they have suddenly have a completely different body type or they look faked when they you do see their face. That's completely not true. This movie it all feels very very real which is why the one fight that involves a hugely cgi characters. The one thing that kind of falls flat. We got this tweet from nick. Says am i miss remembering that there were two camps back. Then those who loved mortal kombat and those who were more into street fighter. Dave absolutely. I think that is not so much a division in video game culture. Now or i think you know. We see the benefits and the drawbacks of franchises. Certainly when i was a kid boy you were either streetfighter person or a mortal kombat person. I was in mortal kombat person because it had the blood add violence. it was like it was tawdry. It was something. I shouldn't be playing. It's something that. I had to play in secret or super. Nintendo had the one that didn't have the blood in the violence but the sega one did and i had say my friends had a nintendo so i got to be the cool kid who could come over and play mortal kombat to with the blood in the fatalities and all of the stuff that parents were afraid of the time. So yeah i mean i. I never connected to street fighter. Because i thought the story the lower the mythology was shallow compared to mortal kombat which mortal kombat had a connection to. I think a lot of the things that were appealing about martial arts films in the seventies and eighties and early nineties whereas streetfighter is kind of felt like. I don't know just an amalgamation of things that didn't fit together. Well we talked to director. Simon mccoy about the process of planning out those those fight scenes that yeah turn kind of gory. At times we spent a lot of time working very early on in clubbing out. All the fox not designing them and he started wide plugging them on a on a holistic neverland saying i these are all the fights within the film and we set up a fight graph which was showing how much time it was having the film. How much what it was doing. Who is what style of film. And then we started to work out what style h needed to have wa- ingredients needed tonight. H five story was being new sport. What character development was being credited inside defines and i story boarded the whole film and then that that was up on on the ball and then we we could isolate each of these faults. We knew holistically what h one needed to do. Now save a lot of the gore in the film is it's very cartoony. But when the mortal kombat games. I came out as dave lou to there were fears that they would inspire real life. Violent and a lot of that pushback came from politicians and members of the media. Gita how do you think things have changed since then well. During the during the trump administration there was sort of an attempt to use. Video games scapegoat for shootings and school shootings and violence as it has been used in the past around the time that combat came out with there was essentially just a moral crusade against violent video games trying to use them as a trying to pin though the reason for mass shootings in school shootings on on violent video games rather than are abysmal gun controls and i just feel like people have lived through so many of these. You can't you can't live through. Sandy hook lake purcell for me in some ways. I'm from connecticut. And i you know joe. Lieberman represented the seat. That i lived in for a long time and was seeing lot was running really saying a lot of these things and running this moral crusade and then you know you grow up and you live through sandy hook which is something that has touched people in my life and you cannot actually doesn't make sense anymore to say that the fault for this is violent video games you know when you look at mortal combat. It's sort of obvious is obviously anyone that has a brain cells rub together. What they're doing it's camp. You know children on the school ground. Do not have a pit of spikes to throw their enemies into you. Know the thing the kinds of islands. They're demonstrating in. These movies can't actually exist in the real world. So this is. We've moved on to other things that the conservative animus is trying to pin school shootings on essentially and video. Games are no longer like under that. I saw so the years a lot more leeway for the kinds of industry the kind of stories and the ways in which they can be campy In the in the current day the way you just slid in that tolkien reference was was pretty remarkable. What cure your thought. I mean i completely agree. I think the reason that we're able to watch a movie like this new mortal combat and not find that and not think that it's will spark similar incidents in real life is because it's so far removed from anything that happens in real life if anything the discussion around violence in fiction prompting real iphones. I think has been more focused on movies at this point. Perhaps because we've moved on from video games as a as a flashpoint for this. But it's more movies like john wick or More active shooter situations where people will start to think. Well this is less fictional. this is less camp. Is this going to have an effect on our real life. But mortal kombat definitely doesn't fall into that category. Well what have you tweets this. Sadly video game movies are historically terrible from the nineties. Mario brothers the recent warcraft. There are lots of problems switching mediums for the narrative and. No one seems to have really capitalized on that. While we'll get into that question. What makes a good video game movie after the break. We're discussing the newest mortal combat in this month's won a movie club more from you and our guests in a moment support for npr and the following message. Come from better help offering online counseling. Better help therapist. Hassoo joe knows that lockdown has been hard on us as humans we as people are hardwired to connect with others which is why this whole time so difficult the connection that happens between people and be very powerful and how healing it can be to have a healthy relationship with someone to get matched with a counselor within forty eight hours and save ten percent. Go to better help dot com slash one a high. It's gen white from six to pop culture one as the place for the national conversation on npr and are upgraded. One a vox pop. App is the fastest and easiest way to add your voice. You'll see the latest and get a jump on upcoming stories all at the press of a button. 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It's gotta have inside jokes. That gamers of that game could get. It's gotta have a great soundtrack. Like i'm talking super awesome in your face soundtrack. The music of the games should be in the movie. Somehow maybe done by famous bands. The more fantastical the better and if you can get like a super famous performer to be in your movie like john. Leguizamo in mario brothers definitely definitely do that and eric tweets this. There's never been a good movie. Based on a video game for the types of stories they tell. Video games are the superior medium. Wile someone else spoonfeed you their interpretation when you can take part in shaping and interactive narrative. Dave what do you think mexican video game movie. Well first of all. I had to say kudos to that second audio clip. The enthusiasm that that person had is he. He should be a movie executive with his very clear ideas of what video game we should be. But i think john leguizamo aside. I do feel like These movies do need to have as he pointed out some connection to the game the game in the movie are separate entities. They have to be because the storytelling is different in video games versus movies and video games. You are the star of the show. You are the protagonist playing as a character in new dictate. What is going to happen. You know obviously some rails designed by video game developers but for the most part you're in charge and a movie. You are in a passive experience. You are observing what is happening and therefore you can't you can't have the same kind of story at least with mortal combat. It's a fighting game. Translate transit translated to feature film. So there's always an element of spectacle to a fight. You can always just kind of enjoy watching a fight. But you don't necessarily find yourself enjoying a tiny italian a plumber jumping up and down on mushrooms and falling into pipes. That's spectator sport. So i think you have to have some elements of the game that people who love the game recognize. But you have to distill the game down to its most basic levels and say right. What can we use this to craft an actual story. And that's my mario brothers simply didn't work is because there isn't really a story to mario brothers. Gita what do you think. I think in general the obviously every single way that you can tell a story whether it'd be a playbook movie what have you has different pros and cons in terms of what how you can tell that story in a play the intimacy of being close to the actors in the set. It really creates an experience that could is transported in a way that had of other kinds of medium or not book. You don't you are not limited by budget and you can also sort of make scenes last longer or shorter depending on how quickly someone will read it and everyone reads. The book is going to have to read every single word. So you can be as detailed as you want to. I feel like a lot of time. People say that video games. The pro to video games is that they're interactive. But i don't really believe that that is necessarily true. I feel like all our is interactive or is asking for something from the person that is interacting with it. You have to understand art. You have to be invulnerable with it. You have to open up part of yourself to it. Even the cases of lake something really silly like mortal kombat. It's like every time i look at these games. I'm i'm allowing my inner six zero to come out. That really likes the violence. Did you like yeah. And i feel like in order to make a good video game movie. You do have to be recyc- respectful of those facts. He know that video games are just going to tell the story in a different way. Then a movie does. But i feel like listening to those voicemails got i just think. Sometimes i like people who are deeply engrossing culture video games. They watch movies in a way. That's different from do which isn't a bad per se but it is just like not the reason why i go to the cinema and the things that i would like to see. Reflected in video of movies are being able to hit those really strong emotional beats the. I've been playing near near replicant. Which is a very good game with a credible plot that has delivered in some really ingenious ways with respect to its medium. And i've been thinking about how if you could it all adapted and the key would really just be making sure the characters hit all the emotional beats do in the game and you might have to change how you tell the story in order to reflect that but i feel like having too much allegiance to what the fans want out of video game. Movie actually can have some wholesome directors behind. I want to hear from you on this too. I completely agree with data on the front of like there isn't inherent block in translating something that was created in one medium to another video games are exceptional in that respect but i also feel like the medium of video games has kind of evolved into something that is inherently more cinematic like more video game directors are structuring. Their games in ways that are similar to movies like i'm thinking specifically now hideo kojima who was obsessed with movies. His latest game death stranding he packed full of movie stars and movie directors. And you can tell that he wants to tell this in as much of a movie way as possible. The cut scenes are so long game plays kind of scattered in there at the end but the bigger point is that there's so much technology has come so much. Further that video games can tell more expansive stories whereas in the beginning. It's something simple as pong where it's your batting a ball back and forth. That's not really something that you can make movie out of but things like for example we have of an application of the last of us coming along for tv like that is a rich story that you can easily spin create a story for for the screen and i feel like some more recent video game movies have been successful in that respect like mortal kombat obviously is not a very story heavy movie but things like detective. Petri for instance. I thought did a pretty good job of translating a movie or transiting video game from console to screen in a way that was coherent. Didn't really lose the spirit of the games in awe and still made sense and was fun as a movie. We'll fahim immelt this. I play the original mortal combat in an arcade back in nineteen ninety-two when i was nine and life has never been the same ever since the movie was awesome. Through and through. I liked every character. They each played a pivotal role in the overall plot. Unlike the ninety five version it didn't bother me that there was no actual tournament. I enjoyed the character development and build up to it and stephen e mails haven't seen the new film but this conversation has definitely making me want to venture out to theaters or sign up for. Hbo as for the original movie. I was also the perfect age when it came out. Fourteen or fifteen. I finally remember my best friend. And i buying the soundtrack on cd afterwards. I'm sorry this some some kid. They're saying what's a cd as a movie. Yeah it silly. But so is the source material where we asked mortal kombat director and producer. Szymon mccoy about potential. Mortal kombat sequel. And here's what he had to say about that. All of us throughout the whole process of the film never talked openly about the s. Would we never really talked about sickles. We do obviously you do a little tiny bit knowing that there are opportunities there especially with balto combat which had such a country rich treasure trove all characters and ideas. So yeah there's always he stuff sitting around but we've never really talked about it in grad within a couple of things in the film little. Join two pieces. You could call them. But it's not for us to decide whether there's a sequel it's whether the fans and the new inches and super fans whether they like the film enough to want us to call and then if they do then of course i mean david you get the feeling. We're watching this movie that they weren't thinking about a secret potential. I laughed during that clip of him. Saying oh we were talking about a sequel. To of course you were there's again i have to stress this again and i know some people. Don't care what you're wrong. For dot carey. There's no tournament this movie. They're building to the tournament and john. He kate sorry spoiler alert. Johnny cage is teased at in the last seen the movie. We're gotta go find johnny cage. Look this is. This is designed from the beginning to be a franchise. And i think one of the things that we have not talked about when it comes to video game. Adaptations in in feature films is the most important question which is why. Why are we making these movies. Why do we feel like we need to take something like the last of us which is a great story told very well in its original medium and make it less less interesting by making it a flat. Tv adaptation like. What are we doing this for. I think with mortal combat. It makes a certain amount of sense because they're elements of the storytelling that are missing. It's a fighting game but there is this mythology so it kind of fits nicely into a medium where you can expand the characters and have more things happening and for them to have rich inner lives. Hopefully as these franchise continues with something like death stranding or or the last of us. These are things that are already perfect. Why would we wanna make movies out of there with the the the the medium of video games has matured so much that it can stand next to a movie and say we're just as good as you so we got this message from moon. Bird who tweets video game movies are proof. That hollywood had just bet against original material in favor of money in the bank. Art is not dead. But it's a needle in studio cities. Haystack and i wonder if that is part of the answer to dave's question. Why are we making these movies. That's just cynical and really sad way to look at art makes me really upset when people are just league. But he's just doing things for money. We live in a capitalist society. You need to have money to live. I'm sorry it really video game movies. There's especially in the case of something like the last of us which was so self consciously designed to mimic a mode of television the prestige television of the sopranos madman. It's really clear. Sometimes why a people like in the case of the last of as neil druckman himself wanted to translate these stories from video games into movies or into television shows there if you are a person who is designed to video game. That is clearly heavily. Inspired by different kinds of television shows air. Hbo the chance to adapt it into that. Medium is unsure irresistible to you especially because they've gotten such an incredible cost with a delayed giggle ludo lou diego diego luda. I don't know what happened there. And patrick scall- who i think is the only good celebrity. I i feel like there's nothing less like guaranteed than the adaptation of video game into a movie right there historically colloquially known as being incredibly bad you know the potential of having a built in fan base. Is you know pretty enticing. I'm sure but not the as it is not a guarantee of success especially in a world where the biggest that make the most money in the bank are ones that are just like within this marvel studios machine like feel like the desire to animate the to to adapt these things. In some cases of the more recent video game adaptations really do come down to the director and the people in the project having interested in mortal kombat is more of a corporate product but there is absolutely we are reaching a point where either people that group of mortal kombat are now the major drivers of the economy. It is our time for our entertainment to the mainstream and that that is the reflection. We're seeing this. is you know more. Necessarily if there's any sort of attempt to chase the money here it's attendant chase millennials and we should mention that the mortal combat video game originally came out in nineteen ninety-two so people have a certain age with you. Know maybe some disposable income or perhaps going to the movies or renting them online. Dave go ahead. oh i just wanted to pick piggyback off and say i think the question is certainly not about money. I think the question of why should always come down to the art whether or not it feels. As though the story told in the video game can be told differently or with some kind of unique quality. That can only come from a movie or a television show. Like i just think it's not about. It shouldn't be about money it should be about. What can we do that special here. Well mortal kombat was released in theaters on the streaming platform. Hbo max so was godzilla vs kong. That's another fantasy action movie. That's doing well financially. We got this tweet from justin. Who says does this mean. We could finally get a halo movie and karen. I'm i wonder what you think. This says about the types of movies. People wanna watch right now when what we might see in the future I mean i think. I guess to be cynical. I'm sorry gita. Like there is a certain degree to which i feel like people want to see more of the things that they're familiar with more of the things that they like which is like why for example. I am interested in the last of a series. And i'm interested to see what they do. especially a will say partially. Because i'm a scaredy cat and can't get through the games on there like i want to see the movie so i can experience the whole thing in some format but i mean i. It's an inevitable product of society. Like i think people the people who are involved with these game with these movies adapted from games are going to be people who are invested in them. Because you don't want someone to work in a project who doesn't have a love for it but on the same token like the reason that these projects are going to get green lit in the first place is partially due to the fact that they know that people have this pre existing feelings towards them and we'll cds movies. 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Mortal Kombat (2021) | Simon McQuoid

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Mortal Kombat (2021) | Simon McQuoid

"They you jealous girly me little mocking talking to you. If you want so much what are you gonna do is kill me taken. Now come on. What are you saying. What a dance. I welcome to the nineties and beyond my name. Is vince leo. I'm the author of the film. Review website quips dot. Net of doing film reviews for twenty five years. Now you can read all of my written work at quit. Stir dot net q. W. i p. s. t. e. r. dot net while. You're there doing courage to check out my companion podcast to this one. It's called around the world in eighties movies looking specifically at you guessed it films of the nineteen eighties check out the link at my website quips dot net. Today i'm going to be getting into the final of the mortal kombat films. I'm gonna be reviewing for right now. There is a sequel. That may come to this bill at some point. Maybe i'll cover it. Maybe i want. It depends because to the nineties s beyond looks at films not only from the nineteen nineties but films that were connected to those films in the nineteen ninety so as long as they stay connected in some former fashion. I will continue to review them. And i'm covering the twenty twenty one version of mortal kombat today and that's primarily because it's still lists as executive producer. Larry kazenov who produced the original nineteen nineties films at may be only in name may be part of a settlement that they had between warner brothers and him and he did nothing but his name is on the movies and so therefore i get to review it for you today. There are also a number of easter eggs and call backs to those original films from the nineteen nineties as well twenty twenty one mortal combat is actually quite different from those ones from the one thousand nine hundred and one very key way. It's an r. rated film this time very strong. Bloody violence has language throughout some crude references. As well definitely not going for that family friendly by that. The originals were the run time. Here is an hour and fifty minutes. The cast includes louis tan. Jessica mcnamee josh lawson joe. Taslim mccotter brooks mathilde kimber. Laura brent tannin obu asano hiroyuki sonata. Chin-han ludi lin. max wong and sissy stringer. The director is simon mccoy and the screenplay credited to greg russo. And dave callaghan now. Before i get into the review today. Do you wanna talk a little bit about what happened between their attempts larry cast-offs attempt to try to do a third mortal kombat film. And this attempt to do a reboot essentially of the mortal combat franchise after over a decade of being in development. Hell larry kazenov the producer of those first two mortal kombat films. He tried to make a third mortal kombat theatrical entry but it went into permanent doubt when midway games the manufacturer of the mortal kombat arcade fighting games they filed for bankruptcy in february of two thousand nine and at that time many of midway's assets including the rights to most of their video game properties they were bought by warner brothers they were the sole bidder for them. They bid thirty three million dollars. Because these rights included mortal combat there was a lawsuit that was filed by castoff under his company threshold entertainment. And that's because castoff claimed that he still held exclusive intellectual property rights to the mortal kombat film and tv rights and that the value of the intellectual property of mortal kombat itself mostly came from threshold entertainments promotional efforts over the years through their movies. The games were not doing as well at the time. Although warner brothers had previously acquired those films following mergers with turner broadcasting system as well as new line cinema so kind of a moot issue. It seems there but kaslow did promote to younger people a lot with those movies as well as cartoons and merchandise and he thought that threshold should retain the rights to everything that was mortal combat outside. The games lawsuit. Didn't really pan out that well but eventually it was settled out of court. Each side signed a nondisclosure agreement now shortly afterward news did emerge that the third film was moving. Forward through warner brothers. This time with promising new screenwriter or new zeal- he was a hot commodity at the time he had a script called. Timberlake was on. The hollywood industry blacklist among the best produced screenplays at the time. They asked paul w s anderson if he was gonna come back he publicly stated that he could not talk to you directly by warner brothers but he did have great affection for the property and would definitely be interested if they needed a director however before they could move further larry off he slapped warner brothers with another lawsuit and this time he claimed that there was a breach-of-contract because they fail to work with russia entertainment in the development and production of a third mortal kombat film so during this delay the people spearheading the warner mortal combat development. They left the company leaving. Zeal script and the entire production in limbo. Yet again in the meantime a choreographer. Music video specialists named kevin tancharoen. He was the director of the two thousand nine. Didn't do so hot remake of fame. He started to make a push. He wanted to get mortal kombat back on the schedule because he was a big fan. He offered his own directorial. Services warner was. They were skeptical. That tancharoen had the skills to handle this. All out action fantasy tancharoen. He was frustrated by feeling pigeonholed. By warner here. He felt that he was never going to get a shot to make the kind of movies that he wanted. If he did not craft some sort of demo reel to show what he could do so he secured lucille again. He happened to be a personal friend of tancharoen and he brought him aboard to help script a short film concept based on mortal combat the games to prove to warner that he was the right person for the job so tancharoen new zeal- their short film. Place mortal kombat into a much more realistic setting. They didn't have the budget to do much more than that. Michael j. white jerry ryan and ian anthony dale. They appeared as jack's sonya blade and scorpion respectively in this. They had a few other actors brought on board as well and once complete this eight minute film. That tension run put together. It was only meant for warners is at the time it was called mortal kombat rebirth. It inadvertently leaked. Tancharoen had posted it to youtube but he did not send it as private so it went public and wants to fans came across it. It became a worldwide viral internet sensation. It quickly racked up over the next few months. Ten million views now for those several months run on he was kind of afraid. He thought that he was going to hear. From warner brothers. Not the way he wanted it. We're probably going to come after him with their legal department because of the copyright issues but as a result of this overwhelming buzz that was generated by mortal kombat. Rebirth warner brothers. They actually brought him in to pitch what he would do if he was given a feature now visually their collective ideas morphed into not a feature but the production of what ended up being a very successful twenty eleven. Ima web series called mortal kombat legacy and the web series performed well enough that tancharoen remained the top choice. When new line decided that they were going to move forward with the feature again in two thousand twelve. Attached run continued working with zeal on an all new screenplay. This would be a standalone story different than the web series and also the prior films whose zeal wrote what he calls a hard are reimagining of mortal kombat very dark a plotline that might remind people of marvel's the avengers but if it had the pull no punches style of the film wanted as well as a dark revenge undercurrent similar to the crow tent. Your own went online. He teased script excerpts on instagram and the revealed that it had characters like scorpion and sub zero jackson cabal and it was also going to be an all new character. That new line execs. They basically insisted that they put a new character into the story. That would be somebody new to the realm of mortal kombat so that he would ask all of the necessary questions that audiences who might be unfamiliar with the game would ask as they tried to follow along so people would not get lost. It's been a while since we've had a mortal kombat film and not everybody plays the mortal combat game so this was going to be the way that they could have some success with those people who were not hardcore fans however the project itself did fall back into limbo because there were difficulties trying to limit their ultimate concept to fifty million dollars in budget due to the indefinite delay as they tried to retool and ended up leaving in two thousand thirteen. He wanted to do other things. Although the following year in two thousand fourteen he did attempt to return for a third season of mortal kombat legacy that did not necessarily come about but in twenty fifteen james wan the director and producer of many big budget films over the years. He was a longtime fan of the games as well. He was announced as the producer. Along with todd. Garner a garner happened to be a protege of producer jerry bruckheimer and so he developed bruckheimer outlook on trying to find directors who were experienced in packaging commercials to try to take charge of feature films and so for a new mortal kombat garner pursued award winning australian commercial director. Simon mccoy d- because garner had been watching commercials and he choked up with tears while he was viewing this duracell commercial. That mccoy directed that play during the super bowl and the ad featured kids they were running around on the set of star wars. And at the end you find out there actually in a hospital. It was all kind of make believe that they were doing why they were there. Garner was astounded by this commercial because specifically mccoy's ability to create such great emotional moment in such a limited timeframe and to do it. With all of the eye-popping visuals. He might expect from a big screen release. He thought you know. Imagine what a director like. This could do if he were given. An entire feature. Mccoy also came with some credit within the gaming industry because he had also directed commercials for a popular games like xbox's halo series of games. And he also did a much ballyhooed commercial for sony called long live play so he seemed like the perfect person that could bring moral combat to life unfortunately mcquaid he did not like the script when he read it he felt it had relentless bleakness. He thought this was not something he was interested in at the time so he turned it down so garner he was dismayed by being rejected by mccoy so he reexamined what tancharoen zeal had done and he did agree. It could use some lightning up. Times have changed over the years. Today's audiences prefer more broad. Maybe more funny films. Like the ones that were made by marvel so greg russo. Who happen to be working at new line at the time he was doing a sequel to this tornado. Fleet called into the storm and russo also happen to be a huge fan of the mortal kombat games and russo. He became very friendly with some of the executives there at new line. He found out that they were contemplating a reboot of mortal kombat. So he told them hey he would love the chance to work on it and when it looked like they were gonna make mortal kombat for shore. New line recommended russo to james wan who hired him right away to make those changes necessary to turn the wazir script into something. That was much more fun and expansive so roussell retail the script. He used marvel's the avengers as blueprint to address mcquaid's issues with it as well as his own feeling that somehow that script still did not feel enough like the game in terms of its mythology and it's character is at least the way that he envisioned them and russo wanted to develop much more emotion into the story and so we determined. You know maybe the most emotional character back. History of all of the characters immortal. Climb that happened to be scorpion and so we decided to start the film. In his script in seventeenth century. Japan were honjo hisashi and his wife are murdered along with the rest of his people at the hands of sub except for his son which many generations later will fit into the story set in the modern day. With the new protagonist need coal young and we would learn why he's chosen to battle for earth realm he would be a direct descendant of honda hisashi. Now in two thousand sixteen mccoy read the script again. He felt well. It still needed more work. But he liked it a lot more and so we signed on as director so he could work with russo on fine tuning all of those things that he felt would get it into better shape. So roussel mccoy d- skype between the us and australia. Every day on things to work on and things to get going in the direction that they in the producers in the studio could be satisfied with james wanted that they were gonna take their time on this. There was no rush on it in. But everybody involved. Whether it's new line of warner or mccoy or anybody else they would have to sign on and say okay. Now we feel this is ready to go so it took all the way till twenty nineteen when rousseau announced that the script was finally ready and that they would be moving forward with pre-production. Now one wanted to make sure if they were gonna make this film they wanted to retain an asian lead for the film won the audiences would readily identify with despite more popular characters are more revered actors in the cast. It was easier to start fresh. We would learn the back history of the tournament and it's combatants through the eyes of somebody new here coal young. And that's because you know making films only for hardcore game fans that's very limiting so when you make a film as expansive as mortal combat to casa lada money put together. You need to appeal more to who may never have touched the game at all and that means making it make sense from the first frame with no assumptions that the viewer comes in with any kind of pre knowledge of these characters or the tournament premise. Having a new main character meant that he didn't have to rewrite any of the backstory's of the establish game characters to fit that mold so it seemed to be a good idea but they still want it to remain true to the actual game characters. That people have come to know and love among mortal kombat fans and they wanted to showcase them as well as ever been represented to those fans who were expecting that so the completed script mainly features this mma cage fighter. Named as i said cole young somebody who usually takes a dive for money when he's in the arena but young doesn't know that his heritage is tied to the ancient ninja hanzel hisashi and that is dragon shaped birthmark. Means that he's actually chosen to compete in this mortal kombat tournament for the feet of earth realm every generation. This happens out. World sorcerer emperor. Shang song is out to get young. Sending his best warrior sub zero to snuff him out. The young finds out more about why when he meets. Jack's this major in the us special forces with the same special dragon symbol ejects directs coal to seek out a fellow special. Lots of soldier needs sonya blade and soon they all find themselves in the temple of lord rayton this elder god who's do protector of earth realm and and readings providing sanctuary for all from earth realm. Who bear the sacred mark that they have. Although sonia doesn't have it at this point but including the fireball flinging luke king and the metal helmeted kung lao and this nasty disposition crime bosnian keno. Now their mission is to prepare themselves through martial arts training to take on the evil warriors of our world which is set to take over earth realm if they win one more inter dimensional mortal kombat tournament and the training has the capability of unleashing. Each warriors are on this special power emanates from their souls. Coal must not only save his family from harm find his arcana but also compete in the mortal kombat tournament on hope that he could save everybody from falling under out outwards eventual dominion now the portrayal of coal young in this film. Is louis dan lewis. Hand is a lifelong pretty much martial artist. He was a stunt person for a long time and then became an actor like his father philip. His father philip warned louis stat Being an asian actor in hollywood was a struggle because they only represented about one point five percent of the total working actors and major roles were scares so lewis did feel that he could be one of the rare examples of success so he was not particularly dismayed at the beginning but he did continue to work hard to try to make it in hollywood and he did stunts and he did bit tv appearances but those large rolls did as his father had warned remain elusive to the point where he actually did contemplate leaving acting behind to work in the industry more behind the scenes instead however things did eventually break his way. The rolls did get bigger for him and so therefore he was prime and ready to star in a major motion picture. Now want felt lewis. Hand could give the right amount of grounded humanity and approachability for coal young to character mixed with this physicality that was necessary to perform his own. Martial arts moves as well as his stunts. And though ten was offered the role the starring role in this big motion picture he was still reticent because video game adaptations did carry a bad reputation. And if he was gonna except he wanted to be sure that whoever was behind it was gonna make a good film instead of just a quick buck off of a popular property so ten received a phone call from lloyd personally to explain his philosophy of what he wanted to do with the mortal kombat film. So mccoy talked to him about what he was going to do. Any played an excerpt from the score. And that's when tan was moved by the power of the score and the tasteful nece with which it was presented and he was sold just by that score alone to push him to take his firstly performance in a film so tan trained extensively with stunt coordinator. Kyle gardner as well as fight. Choreographer chan griffin and it proved a challenge though in many respects because of the c. g. component of the films. This fight between cole. Young and the cg character of goro specifically required him to fight in training with two separate stunt performers one of them on stilts match the size of this hulking. Forearmed adversary while the other one was fleeing punches down below and once he had all of the moves worked out then he had to perform all of that choreography without those stunt fighters because they were going to add the c. g. goro in post production so very tricky to have to do with nobody actually there in front of him in an asian action star joe taslim. He was the one who made a splash martial art cinema with the raid. He actually was the first actor that was cast for this reboot. He portrays behind which is the first iteration of subzero. Taslima became good friends with tan. When he was cast immediately they started training together. The eight meals together. Even though they were meant to be enemies on the screen they became good friends when they were off camera and that actually worked to their benefit because this foster trust for each other when they were going to do their fight scenes later australian actor josh lawson. He's known primarily for the showtime comedy series house of lies. He was allowed to use his background. In improvisation and comedy to bring his own dialogue in special blend of characterizations to kaneohe it was a little challenging for the other actors because it was hard for them to keep a straight face at times but stunt doubles did come in handy for lawson who is not necessarily a train martial artists as well as fellow ozzy. co-star jennifer mcnamee who plays sonya blade. They were not trained prior to filming so they did the best they could but there were some stunt doubles that were employed. Now for jacks mccaw brooks studied extensive footage to capture the demeanor of the sprucer style of boxer. That jack's would be kind of like joe frazier and mike tyson. He just studied their swagger in there fighting techniques. Max wang he was brought in to play the part of kung lao. He immediately made himself a cardboard facsimile when he found out he was going to portray him the trademark hat. He began working immediately on choreographing his own character. Moves for kung lao. By the way in april of twenty twenty one long made his as a senior his first eagle called flawless victory in reference of course to the iconic mortal kombat land from the game that he also delivers in the movie. Now the shoot ford motor combat took place in twenty nineteen at adelaide studios and external locations in south australia nearby. Many actors were working in the australian film industry industry including the aforementioned jessica mcnamee who puts on this american accent to play special ops. Us military operative sonya blade and they used a lot of real picturesque locations in south. Australia had never been filmed in before so this was going to be a completely unique. Look for this film. Abandoned mines and quarries near adelaide actual locations and live effects. Work were emphasized whenever possible and they were trying to use real environments some that they actually created actual ice encrusted spaces within using kind of melted plastic and glass to look like ice but they wanted things to look as real as it could because they wanted to get to. Cg number coit sites his experience with commercials those gave him some very early experience working with a lot of revered video game characters like these so he knew he had a treat them with respect unlike the two theatrically released mortal kombat films of the nineteen nineties. Twenty twenty one's mortal combat is going to deliver the graphic levels of violence that people enjoy in the video game most notably the notorious fatalities. Now there are small nods to the nineteen ninety five film for those fans who like those films to mostly in dialogue like it has begun mccoy and the producers wanted to be just as boldly violent as the game they had to be judicious though because what was considered fine for mature audiences within the computer generated. Character video game might be easily. Nc seventeen if you're a depicting real actors getting those fatalities done certain finishing moves. They might be over the line. So those used in the film you know. They might not be allowed. When the target is a human being versus some sort of other worldly nemesis they had to be very judicious about when and with whom they did those fatalities mortal kombat was initially scheduled for march fifth. Twenty twenty one release. It moved ahead to january fifteenth before eventually getting released on april eighth twenty twenty one internationally and april twenty third in theaters and the hbo mex- platform in the united states. Now the success of crazy rich asians and black panther did flip the notion that successful films needed at least one white lead performer to financially succeed. Now johnny cage. He's a natural lead character. He's absent from this film altogether as well as the tournament itself. You would expect to see that. But it's not here mccoy. Deadandcompany deliberately kept johnny cage out because he had such a larger than life. Personality in cage would have shifted way too much focus away from coal young story arc and also filling in some of that braggadocio that johnny cage would have had is cain so you would have had to white characters with plenty of that larger than life egotism and comic relief in this film in one film so they didn't want it to completely get away from the story arc that they were trying to present for the first film aggressor happened at conceive of the reboot for as the first of a trilogy so he wanted to set this film. Prior to the tournament the second film would be the tournament and then the third film would be the aftermath. So there's no tournament here. So mortal kombat delivers plenty of action in the second half despite it though you have a lot of prolonged mealey's punctuated by those gruesome fatalities producer. Todd garner considers the demand for johnny cage. As a big reason that the studio and fans might come back for more so this was kind of a gamble they would keep johnny cage out hoping that this film would be popular enough that people would clamor for more and we clamor for johnny cage. That would push it over the finish line to get into production. They hope that the fans would like the first film for the suits at warner brothers to allow an expansion to the universe. Similar to marvel wanted this a spin off not just into a sequel but to other properties as well delve deeper into the mortal combat mythology. With maybe a miniseries for hbo max. Or maybe solo stories solo movies of some of the more popular characters like cabal or lou king and the monks. Or maybe a war film. That featured sonya blade. And jack's garner envisioned future entries with somebody like ryan reynolds may be playing johnny cage. Or gal gadot eschaton who also is not in this film. Maybe they could get solo adventures before they join. Tassone did reveal that. His contract includes his involvement for up to four sequel. So there was baked in the notion that this was going to continue beyond this movie. Even though they tried to downplay it in interviews in the media mccoy revealed that he would return if he felt that the script was good enough for the second film the mortal combat when it was released earned about one hundred and twenty five million dollars in theaters worldwide. Now that is not a lot of money at least lately given that you know we have covert nineteen restrictions and fears all over the world and it was launched simultaneously on. Hbo max in the us and that meant that they were high definition. Pirated copies of the film released immediately. Because of that launch. You know that actually is pretty good money. And it was bringing in a lot of people to hbo max as subscribers. So you know you have to counterbalance that now. As far as what. I think about the film. This talented is louis. Ten is as an actor in the martial artist. I think well his co. young character does feel very bland. generic maybe call. Young is just a little too boring to carry such a high octane movie franchise with that character and the film does start with a more interesting story. I feel in medieval japan. with kohl's ancestor honda hisashi and his family's extermination at the hands of beyond subzero. More interesting i would be honda's torment in rome and then his turn to become scorpion although that was already chronicled in mortal kombat legend scorpions revenge which i talked about on the last episode but instead scorpion appears kind of like a day sex mocking up during the climax for very little emotional. Payoff of what they were intending to do. It feels more like a rehashing of marvel's formula for the revenge film but even more superficially because we never had prior films to build up these characters anti really care about in this film so it's a diversion. It's not necessarily as emotionally impacting as they probably were trying to do. I do think that mortal combat will likely find a much more receptive audience among people who already carry strong feelings for these characters. If you're a fan of the video games especially when who's been clamoring for somebody to make a film that contain the traffic fatalities of games. You're going to get that here. You might be pleased by all of that. I think if you're not into the mythos of mortal kombat if you're coming in without any kind of pre knowledge you might find you know these characters. Asians are a bit thin. It can get tiresome the fight sequences while they are very well choreographed there to rife with. Cg fake blood to approach as completely impressive so but despite some laughs here and there and some pretty good fight sequences. It's good eye candy. I'm gonna shade for first time. Watch just on the side of two and a half stars at a four which basically puts it kind of on par for me with the nineteen ninety five film which was deliberately goofy this one. They can be goofy as well. But i don't know that they were necessarily trying to intentionally make it as campy as the nineties films but i do think that there is promise here especially if you can dell a little deeper into the characters then what you get here so two and a half stars at least for the debut of mortal kombat twenty twenty one version and that ends mortal kombat four. Now now there might be like i mentioned the sequel to this film. I may cover that depending on whether castoff is still listed as the executive producer or it's still ties in somehow and some former passion with those nine hundred ninety s films there also is going to be a sequel to the film. I just mentioned the animated feature called mortal kombat. Linton scorpions revenge. I think in late august is when the second film and that animated series is gonna take place. I don't know if i'm going to be covering that. I did cover scorpions revenge because it had the same voice actor goro. That wasn't the ninety films. I don't know that gore gonna make a reappearance here so it awaits to be seen. If they do it with the nineties films i will cover it but if not i guess you'll have to go elsewhere for other takes on that film as far as what. I'm going to be covering next week while we're going to go back to the nineteen ninety s to nine hundred ninety four in fact for the closest thing that you could get to a mortal kombat film i think is streetfighter. The film that was written and directed by stephen desouza featuring junk van damme and raul julia kylie minogue et cetera. All of that will be covered on the next episode. So if you haven't seen streetfighter in a while if you haven't seen it all. I do encourage you to check out that film but don't blame me if you come away to see if the cheesiest thing you've ever seen because it might be but i will be reviewing that indepth the making of as well as what i think of it on the next episode streetfighter from nineteen ninety four on the next episode. So check that out if you want to get in touch with me if you have any comments about the mortal kombat series or if you have any requests about where i should go from here besides streetfighter you can write to me. Combined my contact information at my website hipster dot net is where to go s. t. e. r. Dot net leased. My twitter feed my facebook. Page my instagram as well. Don't forget around the world and eighties movies if you like this show but until then thank you so much for joining me as we go to the nineties ambience.

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Bond 25: Is Christoph Waltzs Blofeld an Ally in the Sequel? - Movie Talk

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Bond 25: Is Christoph Waltzs Blofeld an Ally in the Sequel? - Movie Talk

"Thank you for listening to this podcast one production available on apple podcasts and podcast one. Hello and welcome to your Friday Edition Collider movie talk on today show discussing the brand new space invaders movie just announced and then on top of that the haunting of Hill House star Oliver Jackson Cohen scored the lead role Indian visible man movie and then that's not even all. We're going three stories stories today. Actually we're GONNA four and I'll get to that later but the other big story we have to cover up top is Abban twenty-five announcement apparently Christoph Waltz is going to return and I get to talk about those topics today with Terri Schwartz. Is this your movie movie talk data talk and funny too because I live so close to here but work so far away so thank you so much for having me on the show. I'm glad it finally worked out and silence as always I am so happy when you come on the show show I was Larry Gary. I mean you could be like Jerry today if you want but with an is there's no way to even turn your name into a nickname wishing that silence. There's something fun to that too. GonNa take it for today all right so as I said up top today we are talking bond twenty five so there have been rumors out there that blow failed would return in Bonn twenty-five but today in the somewhat official initial ish capacity. It's pretty much seeming like it's the real deal like he's going to be back the way this news broke is that the Guardian first reported that blow feld would return but then it was the playlist who added a little more to the story that outlet says the character character is going to function a bit like Hannibal Lecter in bonds twenty-five in that Lia's seduce character pulls a clarice starling in visits blow failed in prison hoping to mine him for information about the film's main villain who of course as being played by Rami Malik just in case you didn't know Bond twenty-five is hitting theaters on April eight twenty twenty in the U._S.. So you guys hear this movie. What do you hear this news about the movie? What do you think about the new details because when I first heard that Christoph Waltz was going to be back I love Christoph Waltz Spector there was not my favorite Blofeld in that movie was not my favorite I was like I don't know if I really need that? Then I hear the Hannibal Lecter details and that completely changed my tune are you into it no and the reason is I think I just having association with Star Trek into darkness like the twist was exactly the same inspector where it's like. I'm really villain. The fans have heard of but that has no effect on the actual plot of the movie in any way whatever and this just reminds me again of always teaming teaming up with him like in Star Trek into darkness. I can understand that yeah it is. It's a little difficult to kind of pave the way after what it was inspector which is probably why I was lukewarm on the idea to begin with. I have like you know we love love. Casino Royale like there are other really bond movies. I have just know deep thought or attachment or anything around Specter or Christoph Waltz performance there then that being said like this really is going to be presumably hey Daniel Craig's last bond movie. I know every time he says it's the last one it feels like he's finally getting to the point that that would happen. It seems like the right time in an interesting way to bring it back but I agree that it's like it's familiar trope at this point for these long running franchises to get a second can stab at at Villanova. Well actually bring up that this is probably his last bond movie. Hopefully it's a there's a story point to this but what is the point as far as the franchise goes with connecting films like this because it's not like they can plant plant the seed for blow fell to always exist in the same form and all the movies so I mean is there any is there any franchise value to this. Yeah I think because you can have Chris Volz potentially stick around you could have him continue on his Blofeld and I kind of wish he had a chance to be a full-fledged blow felt I and may be used him as like connective tissue but like in a more is supporting character type return through the older bonds John's I feel he is a part of the franchise so I could see rebooting it. Bring him back. We gotta with Judi Dench for instance. That's true that's true. I do think again like this whole Hannibal Lecter premise like you said like. That's the part that to me makes it more interesting because I think he could have a relatively small but effective role in the movie like they don't need to overuse him if he's going to be a resource that they go to in a similar way as they're tracking down a bigger Avila and again like maybe it does get closer to version that people will respond a bit more to instead of as you said kind of like going the route of trying to subvert panic expectations <hes> and then ultimately giving them exactly whatever guests in less exciting. I'm also very into the idea of being in the class roll too. I like that idea but one way or the other. How much screen time do you think he's actually going to get in this movie because I read a report like this and I'm like Oh? There's probably going to be one long sequence within the information and then he's gone anyway. You see it any other way I mean it could be that this is blow fields plan for getting out of prison and that he's actually the big bad and has set everything in motion so they would come to him thinking that he can serve an animal electoral that seems reasonable. The name is escaping me the villain in the last two mission impossible movies. I can't believe I can't remember his name right now but someone I'm sure certainly one of those things though where they brought him back and I'm like Oh role in the movie and then he didn't he had a much bigger role. Yeah I mean I like the cynic in me makes me think big PAYCHECK <hes> small shooting schedule but I think you could do as you're saying and he could shoot over small period of time Um but kind of be a character who pops up a couple of different places or maybe as you said like there's a revealed towards the end that this is part of a master plan. I think obviously I I'm personally more excited about the prospect of rummy Malik being the villain in this movie and I hope that isn't like secretly a secondary Kandara villain to Blofeld because again we've seen that there is no any time actually glad you brought that up because I think that that kind of obliterates the idea of Oh it's really blow feld story again because you don't cast Rami Malik especially after his run with Bohemian Mian rhapsody and then do that to him hopefully seems anyway villain. I was trying to think of was Sean Harris's character Elaine in the mission impossible franchise moving on though 'cause we have this is kind of like a one two punch of a story where hitting right now so there's going to be two bits to this space invaders part and then the mortal combat part I up space invaders so according to deadline today new line is gearing up for a space invaders movie. One of others bought the rights to the game several years ago and now new line just hired Greg Russo to write the script after he already wrote the script for the mortal Kombat reboot so we know the game we played the game. Is there any possible way for them to stretch that game into a story worthy of of Oh feature I think she you're I mean. All you need is aliens. Invading from Space Perry they made an emojis movie did bring that into my mind that had I still maintain that that had potential. I still think there there was a there was a smarter richer way to show how we use emojis and how they can influence us and it was just it laid like that movie turned out to be exactly what one would think it would be at the most basic boring dull level and and with this I mean I'll let you bring up the point you brought up before because now I can't get that out of my head like two point like can they stretch it out. It's called space invaders like it could be any small or large flimsy or rich version a space invasion story and it staying true to that title but you know I think when I when I think of space invaders I think of the alien icon like the Super You know simple graphics and everything and and colors because I think it's been henry envisioned so many times so when I first heard this news I thought of one of two things I thought it could go the route of like a really interesting animated version which I know it isn't explicit and we think it probably means live action but they could do a really cool interesting animated automated version of this. I'm picturing something like the lego movie where it's really inventive and playful with with using those graphics for familiar with or I could see them going the route of pixels which made Perry just immediately over and fall out of her yet here mentioned idea that I thought was Super Uber Cool and then they just drove the whole thing into the ground but that that is kind of what I'm picturing and I think that kind of just connects to the first question that I brought up because it's it's one thing to say you're making a space invaders movie and it's like you you could do anything with alien and aliens invading and say it's space invaders but unless you have that like that iconic look of them coming down in lines like that does it have to be a space invaders movie at all exactly or just make an alien invasion. It's kind of the one of those weird things like originality. SORTA eats itself because the idea of making space invaders movie because everybody knows it as a as a title is silly but at the same time you're kind of forced to do something original just by virtue of the fact that there's not that much there I do. I've thought of rampage right now is giving the hope because that is also another game. I mean that had a little more meat to its bones story wise this does but that was another thing we're on like how exactly do you expand that into a full feature keeping invested and they wound up. I'm doing it and really capturing the style of the game in the Third Act too so I guess that kind of bodes well for this a little bit you silence you also mentioned battleship earlier. Which I think is another adaptation of like relatively simple concept you have that you have the thing and the headline? What are you GonNa do with it but I'm curious like I already mentioned to me that like the the the shape of the space invaders is kind of like in the design of the game are the most iconic elements but I'm curious like what are you guys think are the other iconic elements that they would have to get right? I guess it's like the formation yeah of attack. I think it is formation more than Japan. That's like the Stott I mean yeah I mean I really do think of of <hes> Independence Day two and even the the line nine about formation and the way the way they kind of zip around but I feel like that is the only or at least from my memory at least only defining feature of the game unless there's something that I missed I I want the moment where you can get behind the barricade and then you can make like a a thin hold shoot through you farther in space represented in a film well yeah. I'm curious to see if they actually pull it off before we get space invaders. We are going to get more combat combat though because that one is much further along than this one and we've got to moral combat updates for you that are very exciting so the first one speaking of mortal combat the Hollywood reporter recently broke the news that the raid star Joe Taslim has been cast as Subzero. I love that casting and then Simon McCoy is directing the movie James One is producing and then the guy that we were talking about before this writing spacer space invaders script Russo. He tweeted that since it's already been stated by other members of the team. I'M GONNA put this one to bed. Mortal combat will be R. rated and for the first time ever fatalities will finally be on the big screen and no I'm not gonNA say which ones you'll just have to wait for the movie and Z. With a little winky face Motaqawi so Joe Taslim and on top of that confirmation that this is going to be an R. rated movie with fatalities on the big screen. Does that make you guys excited or more excited than you might have been for a mortal Kombat reboot. Yeah I mean it's like could you imagine if they were like that's right. We're doing a P._G.. Thirteen mortal combat. It's it's completely missing the point of that franchise and if you were going to adopt that franchise and then to catch the casselman like him who has such a pedigree pedigree of amazing action martial arts chops like it seems like a no brainer in retrospect. It seems like a no brainer but if they had said P._G.. Thirteen I can't say I'd be all that surprised when we had to P._G.. Thirteen ones before and then on top of that. It's it's just like it's the money issue. It's I hope they are spending responsibly with the rating in mind because usually when you get something that should be rated. R. Rated P._G.. Thirteen it's so you can make more money at the box office and I can't really say I would blame a studio for going that route but our <unk> R. rating suits this material so much better and it does get me more excited to hear this reiterated I just I also it makes it a bit more weird like the fatalities are such a strange part of mortal Kombat and then there's also like where you turn people into babies and whatnot. I'd like to see that weird weird level of violent magic. I guess I'm no. I'm into the weird stuff too. I wouldn't mind seeing them. Go that route. This is quite the ambitious project for that director too. I'm very curious to see what he winds up pulling off and how James Wan can kind of help steered the shipper or just lend his expertise to him a little bit because James One is also known for that he has kind of helped along new directors all over the place so I hope that extends to this as well okay. I think you've seen him really double down. What fans want to like you think of how different his horror work is compared to aquaman which was like so colorful and splashy and Pun intended and and had all these crazy element that didn't seem like they could work together but I would say did work together really well and so I think with that like backbone of he understands what fans will want from a franchise and how to work backwards from that to create a movie that delivers on that? I think both of these. News bits of a line and I'm very curious to see where the rest of the casting guy knows well when you start like this immediately put the entire raid cast that night comes the cat like everyone in the back of my mind I just I just saw stupor which had echo Hawaii Senate and he he's so good. I don't even care if there's no role that like suits him better than whoever else looking at right now like put him in every movie every movie with action. Please and there's like a way to go for the flashy Hollywood name that you know you can train them. Divide that way but it's not really convincing and then there's a way to go for the actress who just have that pedigree already and we'll earn respect from the fans who will deeply care about this the fact act that you're going that route and I think I'm excited heartened that they're doing that. I like the fact that we're hopeful about. These would also be cool. I mean seeing how the conjuring universe has been built up. Mortal Kombat is filled with these bigger than life colorful characters crazy Lord if the movie's is good. I'm happy to see spinoffs about Baraka. Whatnot right? I would not argue with that. Give me one good movie I because we'll probably tackle a story in the live chat where they put the car before the horse and announced melania moves before they made one that was successful. We'll get to that though right now. We have to tell you about some future. Show is coming to collider and of course it's Friday which means tomorrow Saturday then it's Sundays you get weakened mailbag which on Roca check it out everyone John Rocca here the host of Collider mailbag new episode drops every Saturday and Sunday in in your face and in your ears answering the questions from you fans about the world of entertainment film and Television Me and great guests from our sphere do the best to answer your questions from twitter from instagram and of course email as well every Saturday and Sunday. You know what next week is comecon week so we are going to have so much coverage for you on the main channel but also I must remind you if you were in town in San Diego for the event there will be a collider panel on Sunday he could check out all the information on the screen right now. Sunday the twenty first at twelve thirty PM. We're going to be in room at six. D be sure to come visit us. We can say hi we can talk movies. It'll be a great time and then on top of that another really Likud graphic for you right now the Cobra Kai panel come check me out hosting panel. I this is still so weird. I can't keep it together when I talk about this in ballrooms whiny on Thursday at four forty five I get to moderate the Cobra guy panel I I can. I just can't right now but hopefully can the day of otherwise that would be weird now. We are GonNa hit our last story for the day. This is another exciting one so blunt house has officially found its leading man for the invisible band remake according to deadline haunting of Hell L.. How star Oliver Jackson Cohen he scored the title role in the movie which is said to be a new twist on the classic story? It's Li One L. who is into right direct and executive produce this remake and it's already got Elizabeth Mazda attached as well Oliver River Jackson Colin first off. What do you guys think about him taking this role especially when we've kind of built a little bit of an impression on a new invisible man remake thanks to the dark universe that is no longer with Jani Gut? It's kind of weird as funny. Recasting an invisible man is just a strange idea but I'm really happy I liked that he's not a big name but I loved haunting of Hill House so much honestly like this. This casting news just made me think of hunting and feels which made me happy because that show is so fantastic yeah good for him and he was he was really I think the entire Samba and that show is great but it's when I go to the first two names that gets me get me really hyped for that. Show it's Oliver Jackson Cohen on and Victoria Potty who's also going on to do really big things right now so this is a great great get for them especially when we take the dark universe and hey you know I was actually making this joke now that I say it for another movie that we're going to get you in a minute but they also put the the cart before the horse as well but they were going to go. You know the big budget route like they did with the mummy blew up in their faces but now it's over at Blunt House and not only does it make sense for them to spend a little more wisely but I imagine casting someone who still still building their resume right now is a smart move for the production overall especially someone as talented as him. It's also just like fun like if this woman is probably my favorite of the universal monsters just because I sort of have more of a sci fi tinged too my phantom them and it's a classic Scifi story that I'm not sure we have ever seen done as well as the original from the thirties with with Claude rains like the special effects in that movie hold up really really well. That's a fair statement. And I it's interesting you bring up special effects. I think I had the yeah I do. Have the quote here because Jason Blum was saying <hes> it was like the Blunt House version of the invisible. He's talking about the pitch that he got. It's a lower budget movie. It's not dependent on Special Slovak's C._G._I.. Stunts it's super character-driven. It's really compelling. It's thrilling. It's edgy. It feels new. Does that kind of give you any pause given how you feel about the original I guess the only thing that I would be a little worried about is I really really like for instance Paul Verhoeven Holloman but it's so limited in scope. It's like everything is confined to a small area. I don't mind a small story about the invisible man but I don't WanNa see it. I don't want it to feel like it's it's small on purpose. I feel like Blunt House of all studios. They're good with like using a little and making it feel like a lot right. Yeah I mean I think I would imagine Jason's comment was tied to the mummy which you know you look at that a now so ill-fated cast photo of the Universal Dark Universe reboot and you're like oh well what could have been in clearly what they went for with that were big names and they didn't deliver. It's just sorry anyone who liked that. Mummy reboot. I I just thought it was so drab missed the point and and just wasn't a fun thing or a scary thing like it didn't it didn't hit either of kind of those recent or older mummy sentiments that I had too far ahead of itself. Yeah it started to lose all its charm when it started to include the things that were teeing up the future when I was semi enjoying being in the present don't forget the lesson of iron man have a good first movie before you put the cart before the horse there you go so I think <hes> with this one. I am excited about the caliber of talent that they're bringing on for like. I Love Elisabeth Moss. I think she's a fantastic actor. Oliver really impressed me <hes> from hunting of Hill House and I thought brought like this really conflicted performance as Luke Luke in that show in like this this darkness and his weight to the role that I think will be really interested to see I'm assuming that was kind of his calling card for they were like hey yeah good here <hes> but I think the focus on on equality <hes> talent quality each story over like big flashy special effects that may or may not work like we saw in the mummy which I just again. I was not impressed by that movie. I think it's the right way to go and like lay the groundwork good first movie it doesn't need to be big and massive and universe starting and it's also worth bringing up upgrade. This is upgrade follow up again what he did with that. Does that feel like it's got the scale and scope that you would hope to see in a movie like this. That's a movie that by all technical measurements is a small movie and it doesn't feel small feels big special effects. I mean it was so weird. Having upgrade come out the same time venom was out because they're very very similar. Stories and upgrade blows van amount of the water. I mean insane because venoms a fairly big budget moving right but upgrade does so much with I wouldn't even say so little because it never feels like pushing. I Never WanNa take away for movies that have the luxury of having the big budget and they use it well but when you have that pressure to make the most of very little. I always feel like that's where you know the most exciting satisfying all inspiring creativity comes from so I always get excited to hear about things like that so I I had cart before the horse yet again and it's because we're going to move over to the live chat now and as some of you might expect there are some power rangers questions in the mix so let's take this one from Steve Calderon here. He wrote thoughts on Dacre Montgomery. Confirming the power rangers will be rebooted with a new cast cancelling the sequel to the 2017 movie before I just like word vomit all over the desk. I'll let you guys go first. How do you feel about power Rangers 2017 and it not getting a sequel little bummed? I am not the biggest power Rangers Fan. I never really watched it as a kid. I had lots of friends at surprises me actually never got into it. I was much more into sailor moon in polk him on myself. I would bet on that. I was genuinely surprised by how much I liked the two thousand in seventeen movie though and specifically for its character development it has a really really solid cast. It has some pretty terrible visual effects and it has kind of silly ending but it feels like the core core of of something of a sizable quality is there. It's a shame to throw that out especially now that we have like Naomi Scott starring in Aladdin what's his face from stranger things Dacre Montgomery Lynn is. Is Is it just seems like surely you have these actors to contract and they're all becoming very famous was the most surprising thing it's like. I'm just surprised that they weren't contractually obligated to continue on with the franchise franchise but standard again yeah and also I like. I don't really know what <hes> what Hasbro's plans are paramount with their cinematic universe that they're building so the fact that that was a lionsgate movie my complicate things so I guess I can see the behind. I've seen reasons why they would have to let that cast loose. It's also entirely possible their stuff. We just don't know about that. That marvel is saying we want Ludi Lin for Shanxi and we're GONNA pay for whatever has to be paid and I guess the second you don't have one of them. You can't do any any of them at that point but I I would agree that I enjoyed that movie not having a lot of nostalgia built around it other than friends dressing up as it for Halloween when I was a kid but the one thing that really did work was the cast for me like I thought their performances made me care about those characters actors as much as the movie trying to care about crispy creams and so I think that's that's the thing that did work and there are a lot of other elements that didn't necessarily work Perry. It seems like I was. I was very everyone out. There knows I was very very happy with that movie. That was that show mighty morphin was a big part of my childhood and I really just enjoyed the fact that that movie captured the spirit of the show while also modernizing it to a point from a technical perspective and also just story wise two. I really took to what they started. Their are and in particular like you bring up silence. I liked that ensemble a lot. I think it is a shame that we got a taste of that group chemistry and all the potential there especially for Dean Israelite because I feel like this industry has not been fair to him so there's this movie movie that doesn't pop as much as many suspected it might of and then on top of that I feel like project. ALMANAC got unfairly steamrolled that movie is a solid shaky cam movie and it did not get nearly as much love as I wanted it to love project ALMANAC. I don't think I've actually on the cover is my quote and my favorite hold on the cover because that movie is so like I like found footage movies but a lot of them are terrible and that one completely makes sense why they're filming it. I think the time travel weren't yeah really really well. I am happy to see what he does next yeah. I hope he has something lined up. I also hope whatever is brewing for the power rangers franchise. It gets okay. I'll get over it. Just make a good movie out of it. That's all I can ask for. That's it. We you covered so much stuff today very quickly. Let's do who's your favorite power ranger. What Color Oh God oh wait pretty is sailor Jupiter silence what you got? I don't know if I have a favorite. Who is your favorite Sam? I'm more maybe never really watched Ciller. What show were you watching when you were growing star trek the next generation okay now that makes a lot of sense <hes>? I always have to go with the Blue Ranger. There's always something that spoke to me about that. Character Dr kind of like the Nerdy side book plus the physical side. How about this which Rangers would we be this? No this is this is hard. You like your team blew with me your team blue and like you got so much pepin energy. I have to go pink all right. I'll take that okay now that we've settled all that we're done for the day that's the end of a week's worth of movie talk. Don't worry we will be back Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday and then I think we're coming at you from San Diego comecon on Thursday so brace yourself for that and so much comecon coverage across the board Terry Silence. Thank you guys so much for joining me. I hope you have a wonderful weekend cody in the booth. Thank you so much for your hard work enduring in the live chat to you as well to everybody out there. I hope hope you have a wonderful weekend. 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Water Cooler: Zack Snyders Justice League, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Ted Lasso, Mortal Kombat, The Knick, Coming To America

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Water Cooler: Zack Snyders Justice League, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Ted Lasso, Mortal Kombat, The Knick, Coming To America

"Welcome sasha daily for wednesday march seventeenth twenty twenty one on today's episode. Discuss what we've been up to at the water cooler the slash on editor in chief. Peter surata jimmy podcasts slash on weekend editor bread omen. Hey that's me. Error ben pearson. Hey what's going on rivers. Why tran billy everyone. Vangelis jacob is busy at the virtual south by southwest film fest wall so he will hopefully china us next week to talk about those films But we have a lot. We have a lot to discuss. I haven't been on this podcast. The watercooler podcast in two episodes three upset. It's been a while be back. I was doing some traveling for ordinary. Adventures would florida to cover some stuff at walt disney world and those videos are up now on that channel or some of those videos are up now in the that channel but recently even more recently when it got back I've been attending all these like In southern california because theme parks were not allowed to be open which is something that just recently changed Theme parks have like started these food festival events. Same thing that like knott's berry farm has been doing where you go into the theme park. The the rides are closed. There's some characters but it's mostly about you know you getting to eat food I want to not the taste. The boys in berry festival which is their big event. Every year is the boys and berry festival. I'm not sure if you guys know this but Walter noughts is basically. He wasn't the guy that invented the boys buried. There was another guy that invented the boys berry. Which i think is last. Name was blazin What a coincidence that he invented the wisdom berry knows Same his last name but anyways Not was the first to bring it to public market in a big way and he sold it on the side of the road in southern california outside of his farm. And eventually you know opened this chicken dinner restaurant which His wife used make fried chicken and it became so popular that he built his whole ghost town. That became a attraction on its own just for people waiting in line for the chicken dinner restaurants and became this whole theme. Park anyways Every year at knott's berry farm they celebrate The poison berry with the boys and very food festival and it's my favorite Food event at the park every year. It's all the dishes are most of the dishes. Have boys and vary some way. It could just be a small way where they have like a boys in berry mustard or you know or could be a big way of like you're dipping. I guess they have like fried macaroni and cheese balls that you're dipping into boys in berry saracho sauce of that but they had a just say all. This sounds terrible. Alarming me this. This whole conversation is have you ever. Did you not like boys and barry. Chris i i i guess i'm sure i've had it once but i can't remember what i'm picturing like jam and like being macaroni and jammed sounds disturbing the me. It's good stuff. They also introduced for the first time. Ever they collaborated with dipping dots. The ice cream of the future to have a boys and berry dipping dots which you can only buy at knott's berry farm and it was amazing anyway all the food we had was pretty good except for one item videos up all all lincolns show notes. But also this past week. I went to universal studios in hollywood open their doors for the first time in over a year to have their east of universal event. i'm not sure where they got that name. It seems like they copied it from knots. Doing taste of nuts events This past year It is the same kind of thing where you pay for tickets. Like forty five to fifty five dollars depending on which day. You're which of the day of the week you're going in. You got five tastings I will say this that the food at notts is generally much better than the food at universal. Universal doesn't have great food Aside from like wizard world and a couple of new eateries but it was. It was fun it was worth the ticket. I think it's sold out for the entire march and it seems like all the theme parks in southern california are starting to to you know. Move their gears into the reopening mood because they're allowed to open april first. I think today the news was. That disneyland is opening in april thirtieth so Tomorrow i'm not gonna be here for the podcast tomorrow because tomorrow. They are having the opening day of the touch of disney disney. Disney decided to change. Change the first word a little from not so that they're they don't look like they're copying eh enough and they're opening disney california adventure for food festival and what the video up on friday for that But that's i mean. I've been busy with a lot of that stuff and Yeah and not much else i. I'm i know you guys were talking last week about getting shots or preparing. Get shots or brad. Being frustrated of the shot situation I think might show. I did get a schedule. I'm gonna be getting my shot on march twenty fifth. So what does that a week from now a little over a week now. So i'm excited to get back st- brad last week on the podcast you were talking about. How frustrated you are with your state and the process of getting the vaccination but it sounds like you actually you. You found some place. Yeah i had to take matters into my own hands I just thought everybody in stole a bunch of shots. I it was I already sort of looking into like the weightless at certain pharmacies and grocery stores pharmacies. And things like that and the weightless were very long. And they weren't re you know reaching the areas that would have applied to me not just because of age but even certainly co morbidity and so it just didn't hear the happened but then i found out that certain areas were taking calls from people at the end of the vaccination day to claim the extra doses that come from because of how the vials are used Depending on how many shots are given at any given location there are usually a few extra doses of the vaccine available at the end of the day. That haven't been taken by an appointment slot and you can call at Certain time depending on what location. And if it's first come for serve if you get in and then you say ask. If they have any extras they'll tell you. And then you just have to get in there essentially within the hour as soon as possible to get in and get your shot and so both my girlfriend and i were lucky enough to call in on the day when they had two extra doses and we got there quickly and went through the process and so we now both have our first covert shot and we'll get the second one in early april. I'm so jealous. It seems like here in california. I've tried to do that brad. And it just seems like everybody's like i it's like the hardest ticket to get in california is to get vaccinated job way crazy over there. It's it's probably a lot easier here since. I live in a much much smaller town each day. What are you up to I appeared on the most recent of slash film casts review riot and the last dragon always happy to be a talk movies with that crew. Even the last time. I kind of had was on a sinking ship with one eighty four but this one was a lot of fun to talk about to speak about the issues of southeast asian representations failures of representation in that movie Which i also talked about in an npr interview. That i forgot to plug lacks last week loops but yes i appeared on. npr To talk about the issues with casting a largely sow us largely agent actors in the Main speaking roles of ryan last dragon with helmut tran. Being kind of the soul High build actor to in in the movie. And i actually. I didn't listen to the entire thing. Because i was a little bit nervous about how i sounded. So if anyone who listened to it and said. I thought it was good. Please let me know. Because i need that validation. I listen to it. They shouldn't. it was good. Okay great but in that conversation with the npr host. Rachel martin i did speak about Some of the failings of representation in In the last dragon in my disappointment with it especially in light of I don't know if this is part of the conversation that got into the final product but in light of anti-asian violence that has been ongoing. Since the beginning of the pandemic and a lot of ab- southeast asian people need that kind of visibility Especially in because a lot of southeast asian people have been unduly targeted in this space oath anti-asian violence and i just wanted to give a A mentioned to the Particular agrees particularly egregious active and asian violence that took place yesterday in atlanta georgia and Just wanted to put that sorry to remember everyone out. I wanted to give him mentioned to that. Especially because i'm i've been talking about eighteen representation a lot lately and especially with so it's just been on my mind and i wanted to talk about it a little bit. And that's that's my fees are wanna see ryanair but i don't pay that thirty dollars i would say it's worth the thirty dollars. I know like. I'll be so mad at myself. Hd if like in three weeks it's on disney plus. I want to say free. Because i'm paying for disney plus it's included in disney plus without the thirty peter and this is something that's found apply to our listeners. But you do have access to screeners. I think disney plus. I thought i got the signer like for the junket in an expired so i had expired. Yeah 'cause i made sure to watch mind before it expired. Peter think about this. How much money did you spend trying to find a black khyber crystal. And don't you think you could spare thirty dollars to watch a good movie. Fine fine fine i. it's also i feel i. I know you're you're part of this conversation about riot around ryan stuff and that's great but i feel like this this this hurdle of thirty dollar price tag has made it so. It's not like a big conversation around this movie. Words should be kind of my thought too. I haven't talked about a lot. But a fuel like disney has somewhat buried ryan last dragon despite it being this big bastion of southeast asian representation the first southeast asian movie that disney has done. And i feel like there's been a lot less marketing and a lot less just chatter around russia in the weeks leading up to the release in kind of crickets in the after in the aftermath of its released. So let's just my own personal thought. I think dave china has a similar thought to we talked about frequently. So yeah it's it's weird. I mean it's not like disney has been doing that with the series of films With representations of different like moulana their first african american. Yeah yeah yeah. They're in a weird situation like no. I can't imagine what it's like to be in that executive room of being like we have this content in in the can wait until theaters recover or should we use it as a loss leader to get people to disney plus but it does feel weird that the stuff that they're dumping seems to be have some similarities. Yeah they're all. Poc led some way Okay oh nothing i want to mention. I got invited to this. I wanted to hear what you guys thought of this. Because i got invited to this godzilla vs kong screening. There was it was a it was a drive in movie theater thing. But it wasn't like add. Drive in movie theater was like at this like drive in movie theater. They built in a parking lot and it happened last night. I don't think reactions have come out because there are embargoed to a later point but i actually said no to it. Because i didn't wanna watch the movie like. They were kind of promoting one brothers promoting as see the movie on the big screen. The way it's intended in. I don't know i don't want to see the movie with like the sound coming out of my car. Do you guys have any opinions on this. Like what would you have chosen differently. Brad what would you think i mean. That's the heart speaker. Is i guess it depends on how good your car is. I mean like i feel like carson are pretty good nowadays. And i don't know maybe it's been about the fact that usually when i go to the drive in i typically happen the my parents and they have like a pretty a pretty. Decent minivan has a good sound system. So i don't really have have a an issue there but yeah i mean i guess some cars. Maybe aren't as good who chris. Would you just wait the extra. What is it a week or two for to come on hbo. probably. I don't want to sit in my car. That law you know car for how long the movie is i. Guess two hours i. also. I don't know i whenever i go to a dry. There is a drive in here. I don't go there that often. But i usually like rent a radio at the counters because what the one time i went i try to use my speakers and even though the car was not on he was in that like whenever half off position. It's still drain my battery. And i had to get like a jump start. I so i've ever since then i've been hesitant. I can use my car radios. Usually just rent the shitty little radio they give me at this drive and so no is the answer. I would not bother with this problem by the way. I don't want to come off as anti driving. I think there is a place for a drive in movie. You've seen before or now or crap you're going to see like oh this is going to be crap but this is also not a big screen. Ben have you seen the pictures of the screen. You have how would you. What would you have done. no. I absolutely have waited. I'm just i think and for some people like the novelty of seeing the thing a little bit sooner would outweigh the comfort of the experience. But i'm i don't know if it has to do with age or what but i'm just like at a point in my life where like i value comfort over you know exclusivity or whatever like if there's if it means waiting a week for like a more comfortable experience. I think for most things. I would probably do that almost across the board at speaking of age h. You're young one here. what would you have done. Would you have gone out in your car or would you have waited the week. Sit at home has a new yorker. I don't have a car. This is a conversation that i can. I've probably a little bit out of. I still have the novelty of of going to drive in theaters. I never really had a drive in theater around me growing up so i went to one for the first time during covid and so that was exciting for me also movie. I've seen many times four. So the sound and visual issues didn't bother me but Yeah i don't know. I think it's still the novelty of it is still setting and seeing movie actually outside in on a big screen so to speak would still be exciting enough to bring me out. If i had a car to car. I wonder how they would handle the doing a vent like this new york. Well i guess you can't do it because it's it's probably cold there right now. Right it is. It was really warm. I two weeks ago in last week and then suddenly it's dropped down to twenty s again and i hate like no one has a car. They're like i don't know how they would handle the. That's probably why they didn't even do it there. Okay let's move on talk about some some stuff that we actually did see what we we have been watching. Chris and ben have finally seen it they have seen. The snyder cuts. And i know we are going to have a big spoiler discussion about this next week. So we don't get into any spoilers. People have not seen this. I i do wanna get your brief reactions or briefly spoiler free reactions in chris. Ben i think you both are on the same page. It didn't seem like you're eager. Eerily anticipating this so crisp. What did you think. I i liked it a lot more than i thought i was going to. And i've said this before. But i i don't go into any movie like hoping to hate it you know. I didn't go into the snyder copy. I hope this is terrible. Like i wanted it to be good. I was nervous. It wouldn't be just because i'm not a big zack. Snyder fan and the theatrical cut of league was crappy to begin with. And you know all the years of hype and the years of the you know the fans acting the certain fans acting the way they did to sort of like soured me on the idea. But going every movie with an open mind and I came away from this liking it a lot more than i expected to It has a lot of problems. I a full review up at slash on cops. Oh please everyone read that. But i do think it's an interesting experiment. It's a movie that deserves to be seen. I while not everything in the movie works. I do appreciate what's ex-senator was going for here. And what i really think he's going for. Ear is not a superhero move. He's really trying to make a epic. That's like lord of the rings Down to how long the movie. It's a four hour movie. And he's he's trying to make this big mythic fantastical adventure where mighty beings and humans and they all come together to to stop this ancient evil. That's trying to take over the land and it's very lord of the rings e so again there are there are things that really do not work in this and i don't think it needs to be four hours long. I honestly think if he had to cut this data like two and a half hours. I would be saying like this is a really good movie. But because it's it's for our only it's it's an interesting movie. It's not fantastic. But it's it's a lot better than i was expecting. You know that that's more than i expected to say. So it's definitely worth checking out at least once and even though it's very long i gotta say the the way it's presented it. Has these chapter breaks. Six chapter breaks anymore. I can't remember but that actually makes it kind of easier to watch like if you can't watch it. No one sitting i. I couldn't watch it over two days. This chapter breaks. Make it easy to like. It's kind like built in intermission. In a way like all right. I can stop right here because this section of the movies stop so. Yeah ben what did you think almost identical to you. Chris i think you know for years and years and years. We've been hearing about this reporting about this. And just like the The collective weight of the discussion around this thing. A war so heavily on me that for a long long time i was just sort of against this thing On a principle level but as it got closer. I realized that it was unfair. To view the movie through that lens and i pushed all of that stuff to the side. Just tried to engage with this as a as a thing on its own terms. And i think it it actually works I'm shocked to even hear myself say this but yet works way better than i thought it was going to. And and like you said the word interesting is the most apt Description of this whole experience because this is like unprecedented. As far as i know nothing ever happened in quite this way before we've seen director's cuts obviously but never under these type of circumstances and i went back and rewatch theatrical cut of justice league before i watched this just so i could have that movie fresh in my head because i had not seen it since theaters and i really hate that cut of the movie and this one is You know say what you will about. Zack snyder this is night and day way way way better than the actual cut so I'm not sure that it's super fair to compare a two hour movie to a four hour movie like chris. You're saying you know. If snyder been able to cut this down into two and a half hours you might be saying. This is actually really good. I don't know. I don't know if it's possible for for him to make a good movie out of this material. Cut down to that link. I think the the four hour run time as ridiculous. a borderline is Is actually like a vital component to the reason that it works so well and it really kind of puts it in a different playing field then a lot of other movies because you can't you know you could say It pick a movie. Pick a widely derided movie. If that film had the opportunity to present a four hour version. It might work way better than the theatrical cut did too so it's kind of tough to like. It's like an apples and oranges scenario when you try to compare this to two things. I've seen people breathless twitter reactions and stuff calling this a masterpiece like the greatest superhero movie of all time results. Jesus christ like all right tony down a little bit. This is nowhere near that So please don't set your expectations that high. But i think it's overall mixed bag. There's some really sort of pure zack snyder. Obnoxious stuff in here. But there's also a lot of stuff that works way better than it has any right to. I feel like the close example. I can think of something that's like this would be kingdom of heaven released got movie where had a theatrical cut and then on on dvd and blu. Ray it got this much longer. Director's cut and in it's completely different movie. And the director's cut is like the superior version like it has whole new subplots. That are nowhere in the actual cut. So that's the closest example. I can think of anything that comes close to this. This approach but i also feel like better move. That's why i'm very interested to see this. They i i been saying along that. Zack snyder his history. With director scott's or the cuts that they put on home video have traditionally been better than the theatrical releases which are cut significantly. It seems like you know warner brothers allows him to. He's like really long versions of movie and then they're like. Oh we need to fit this two and a half hour time slot and a theater. I wanna why we didn't tell you this beforehand. And i'm not sure why this happens every single time we do it but can you. Can you get down to two and a hours and his like sure you can ends up being not as good because it's if you take any story and you cut it down usually dot. It's good but i. I'm i'm now more intrigued to see this because i know you guys. I'm not saying that you guys went into hate it. I know that you guys are not like that. But i felt like there was a sense of dread of of this coming and especially i mean. Yeah i i you know i was reading. I was definitely dragging. Because like. I said i don't. I don't love zach snyder. And even when he does kinda get he wants to do. I think like batman v. superman is a good example of this that had director's cut. And i honestly think the director's cut is terrible. It's just as bad as as a theatrical version completely better. I would no not at all peter. It's a terrible movie but this is you know of all the superhero movies accident or has made so far. This is the one i liked the most. I do not like man deal. I know you'll like that movie. I think the only thing good about that movie is the soundtrack which is amazing but the movie itself. Shit shipments this. This is the best superhero things has done. So that's that's what i think. Yes even better than his watchman movie which is also bad. So i have to ask you since since. Chris made that comparison. How does this compare to his superhero catalog. It gets back to what i was talking about where it's really tough to compare something that is this sprawling two you know something. Like man of steel. Which had those same the sort of like studio mandated restrictions. It that this movie does not have To say i'm right ben. It's tough man. I really don't know peter. I don't think i can answer that question. I think there is. I don't know i'm sorry. Okay it's funny. You come back to this under spoiler discussion. Because i'm sure we're going to have a lot to discuss. We're gonna do this next week. Probably on monday We're gonna have a lot of. I've heard some things about this movie. And there's gonna be some conversations going on so you're not gonna wanna miss that We're gonna talk about the big joker seen you can't wait to hear about the people. It's going to be amazing to talk about that. Okay let's move on What have i been watching. I did get to see the first episode of the falcon in winter soldier. This the new show on disney plus set in the marvel cinematic universe in it stars The two characters talk in winter soldier. it's i know i know That i talked about this last week. So i'm not going to bore you with too many details by. I will say that this does feel more like a marvel movie than one division in that that comes from a person who loved one division of love tile different and interesting it was and when i said this on twitter. Social embargo. Some people took that as like me slamming either one division or me slamming falcon winter soldier. Because i actually after the first steps i really really am into the first episode It just feels like it feels more in line with what we got from the marvel. Cinematic universe In terms of like that that no spoilers here but the show is action setpiece in the first half of the episode. That feels nothing. Like i've seen of anything on. Tv like it really feels like a big marble set piece. I'm not saying the choreography is as good as the of brothers or or whatever it just it goes so big that it's so ambitious that you have to admire it in its without compromise. Usually when stuff like that happens. It's like agents of shield or the cw shows in the special effects are horrible offense to anybody who makes those things. But i don't know. I i was just kind of like this is so cool that we could get an experience like this on the small screen in a tv show That said i do think that this people that did like one division for the character stuff will like this because this is kind of like a sequel to winter soldier in in ways. And i think what marvel is doing with these with these disney plus. Tv shows is very interesting because in the movies you only get a certain amount of time to deal with these characters on a human level and then you got fast forward to the action in these shows are really getting into the weeds of things in able to get you to care about these characters in a in a greater depth like we're dealing with obviously we dealt with winter soldier Bucky went through with hydra in in the movies. But we really didn't get into how much of a told that his hat on him as a person and what falcon has been going through You know he's he's prominent black superhero in this world and coming out of the blip Out of it. There's a lot of interesting things here. And i am very excited to watch more episodes and i'm i'm happy to report that i really really dug this quite a bit. So that does that come out. This friday yes comes out tomorrow or i guess tomorrow night and we we are planning on doing say ever thought tomorrow friday. Thanks a lot peter. Sorry chris he does this like once a week or slack channel. He's like tha at least tomorrow's friday concept of time But yeah i. I think we're playing doing that. Spoiler discussion at least a least around the first episode. I'm not sure if we're gonna be doing the same mandalorian wanda division thing that we had committed to. We'll see we'll probably will but we'll see And what else i watch i. I watched I wanted to watch coming to america. The sequel coming number two america which is on amazon in. I mentioned that. I went to go put on and it's like oh i've never seen the original. It was like what you've never. She's like i've i've seen like clips of it on tv and stuff numbers in so we had to watch the original coming to america coming. T o americ-. I hate this guy. I i love that title and i'll clever it as a hate that lake. We can't just like say hallway. And then you know what. I'm talking about which movie i'm talking about. It's like annoying Okay so Come to america. I haven't seen this movie in so many years. And i was expecting for it to not hold up in ways. I thought i thought there was gonna be some stuff but for the most part really holds up. It's it's a good movie and it's it's kind of amazing that like i think the movie couldn't be made today For many reasons but as it structure is interesting. Because it's a romantic comedy that the people don't meet for the first time till forty five or fifty minutes into the movie which is kind of crazy heartache. Coming to america's actually a good comedy that you should check out So we did watch coming the number to america. And i know brad talked last week and he seems to like it a lot more than me. I felt like the plot of this was just way convoluted So much that was not funny it. It rained me. Like when i hear people say like that. Mandalorian is to fan servizi or something to get. This felt to fantasy to like. I'm not even sure their fans that appreciate the the lake. Little of this film sometimes gives like in the first film. There's like these homeless view. I'm not spoiling the film anyway. But in the first film there's a bunch of homeless men that were. I guess they were in one of them. Landis previous movies what trading places i think in like there's a mentioned to them there's a whole pop point with them in this movie. It's like did anybody care about the homeless men that were in the first movie for five seconds. I mean it's not like it's a huge on points. Moore's easter egg in the beginning. It's the same size as the one in the first one which is interested in using crossover out. I felt like there was a lot of things like that. And i don't think that the story of having his long lost son come to What what is the country brad. I'm forgetting what kind of as a munda some munda His last coming to moon. Like i don't think that's is interesting as a king having high like his royalty and going to queen out. That story was just so much. Were interesting and i agree with you. Brother isn't the chemistry between the two leads isn't quite there. I don't feel i. I'm glad that you liked it. I'm wondering if if i would have had a better reaction to this. If i didn't i didn't watch it immediately falling Watching the first one in seeing how good that one was But it's there. it's on amazon. If you wanna watch it so What else have been watching. Oh assembled the making of one division. This is a one hour special on disney pluses on the making of the one division series as a whole by the way it seems weird to me that that disney plus introduced this whole disney gallery series for mandalorian which seemed to me that that was going to be like. They're like title for their making of of all they're like disney plus shows and then they change it with the with one. So are they just gonna use disney gallery for the star wars shows. That doesn't seem like it. Fits the star wars says out. I feel like marvel. Probably one of their own because it works so well with their brand to call assembled and use it with all the different shows that they'll maybe they'll still the disney gallery brand for other stuff. Yeah yeah well This is if you liked one division. This is stay it. It's so interesting to see how they were shooting. The i mean. It's all the stuff that we talked about on the podcast in the past. It's not like a huge revelations but seeing them shooting that first episode in front of a live studio audience actually getting to see the set design and color. because you only see in black and white not episode Seeing how they were shooting everything with like the weapons of the era and how it all comes together it also. It's so some people were like wondering like did the cast and crew of the show think that everybody was going to have like all these theories and stuff like that. And there's like one moment in the show i think elizabeth olsen onset. I think shooting the first episode. And she's like think she's excited to see the fan theories so so clearly. They knew that that was coming. Maybe not to the level that it came but Out if you if you have seen the mandalorian the disney gallery mandalorian specials than you like that It's edited in the same way and has kind of the same Excitement to it. Like you feel like you're onset watching some of being made a do you get any like drama is or anything like you know insightful. Not really but I in the one disappointment. I would say about it is. It doesn't really get into the weeds of of Production during coded. I think that would have been interesting. Because that shut down production in an end of restarting in california. And i think they could have gone more into that will but i'm sure they didn't want to have any negativity in this thing because it's disney but Yes that's assembled. The making of one division is on disney plus. Check it out chris. What else watching Got to see the first thirteen ish. Minutes of the new mortal kombat movie because i Was on a A media event of a roundtable interview with the director. Simon mccoy d- and i wrote about all this on slash all dot com. So i encourage you all to read it but the first thirteen minutes pretty good. It's it's it's a very very violent movie which is fitting since. The games are so violent and the original mortal kombat movie which came in the nineties had pg thirteen rating so it it toned down the blood and gore but This one is already so. They're really leaning into that. That are rating to the point. Where it's almost like overdone. Like in the first thirteen minutes is like a big fight sequence in people get stabbed a lot and the blood that flies out of them is like it's more blood than humans having their body. So it's gonna be a little. It's gonna take a little getting used to. I guess when i but you know it's it's hard to talk about the movie as a whole because like i said it's only the first few minutes but i liked what i saw so far I do think the movie has little. It's it's it's taking. It's a little too seriously. I guess is how i think like the the opening scene. It's in the sixteen hundreds and it shows scorpion and sub zero before they become scorpion and sub zero. But there they still have a rivalry and then they're fighting and it's doing some things that like a lot of tentpole franchises do that. I don't think they need to do in that. It's it's giving back stories of things we don't need like you literally learn the backstory of that grope hook thing that flies scorpions hands and and a part. I don't really need to know where that came from. I accepted that. He has a hook rope in his hands. Like i don't need a back story on that. But other than that. I liked what i saw sephora. I'm looking forward to seeing the full movie as a whole and like i said i have a write up of what i saw and i ever write up of my very very brief conversation with a direct. It was a round table interview for people who don't know interviews a lot of times. You only get one question. 'cause you're you're dealing with like fifty other people and that's what happened here so but i i wrote up some other things. He said other people so check it out slash home dot com and will link that in the show notes. Brad been watching not much. But i did take the time to watch the apple tv. Plus documentary billie eilish. The world's a little blurry As you may have guessed it's about the chart topping grammy winning singer billie eilish She is the one who seeing the theme song for the james bond movie. No time to die which also just wanna grammy And it's a a marriage about her rise to fame and follows her career while she's on tour and everything that comes with being so young so successful in such a quick short period of time and while that sounds rather formulaic. When it comes to a mud documented like this. This is one of the most intimate personal and candid Documentaries of this kind that i've ever seen It's it's a definitely law on the longer side two hours and twenty minutes which i was like. Whoa jeez but when you see everything that they cover it's It doesn't really feel like it drags on too much because it's really interesting because She she writes with her brother. And they make the music together and they've done this from their bedroom in this very modest house in los angeles and their family was constantly Documenting stuff that they did when the Her and her brother finneas rowing shooting themselves. When they were creating songs Writing music you know and working. I think director cutler who also directed the blue. I watch not too long ago. Has all this great footage from the family that he used along with stuff that he shot while being a hang out with the family in their house going on tour in the us and across the country with her and it just really dives into like just these very Personal moments in her life you to see kind of what. It's like to be someone like her trying to date somebody and just like the perspective she has on her music which is Is known to be rather sad and somewhat depressing and it's because you know she. She writes about the things that she she feels. And you know again like i'll stress that a lot of the sounds like the same stuff you hear from us all the time but i would just really impressed by how perfectly this movie captures a unique perspective and really dive into Billie eilish is life in creative process and all these things you learn things about that. I didn't know. I'm sure big fans no but like i didn't know that she Suffers from a form of physical threats if he has like certain breakouts of physical ticks and stuff like that and so it's just a very Fascinating portrait of billie eilish. So if you if you like her music if you just started discover something whatever. I would recommend watching this on apple tv plus if you have a subscription to do so cool. What else have you been watching along the same apple tv plus lines. I guess i just felt like diving into a bunch of their stuff. As i finally started watching ted lasso It's taken me too long. But i keep hearing about it from all so many people and i've watched the first two episodes so far in already i am just totally head over heels for the show. It is like insanely charming. Like just how light hearted and genuine Funny and just heart warming. The series is is so far jason day. Kisses is so good. I'm just it's really funny and not always in like a super laugh out loud way but just in a way that is It just like really just like Very charming and so I'm i'm gonna be working pretty quickly. I imagine i'll probably finish by. It's not by the end of this week. Definitely by the end of the weekend. I think It's just really uplifting and i'm i'm loving what i'm seeing so i can't wait to see how the seasons okay. Let's move onto ben than. What are you watching. Just real quick brad when i watched ted lasso the moment where Ted bursts back into. I think it's rebecca's office after higgins makes that little. I laughed so hard it was such a great moment. I see that's that's that's one of is like best comedic moments. His reaction is just so like firm. That was the moment where i felt like fully in love with the show i was like i was definitely on board with it but i was like as soon as i saw that i was like holy shit. I loved the show. Get a everyone should wash head lasso. Even though even if you are one of those people who like bristle at the idea of something being so popular like over hyped. I really think show is is like. It's almost impossible to over hype just because it's so pure. It's so pierre okay. Anyway i have been just continuing watching the i haven't really watched anything else. recently have been slowly making my way through curb your enthusiasm. I think i'm on like the eighth or ninth season of that at this point but i just wanted to to shout out the nick saban. Chris finally convinced me chris. Jacob actually finally convinced me to watch the show once it came on. Hbo max couple of weeks ago and man. I just i love it so much. It's so incredibly. Good the show originally aired in two thousand fourteen but watching it right now. It feels like it could have been made yesterday amac us. That's a bad example because of covid but in terms of the the timeliness of the subject matter It is Kind of like at times genuinely shocking to see how relevant some of the plot points in the show are to stuff that we're dealing with right now And men just thinking that the show was made in like a pre trump era and was able to sort of force the where we going a country and conversations that That would be that would come to the forefront on a grander scale in this country about race end. I mean so. Many things is just an incredible piece of television. That i really i. It's no surprise that the show got buried when it was released because it aired on cinemax and nobody really paid attention to that as a network But man. It is just a. It's very very good. It's a little tough to watch like. I said last time because of the the surgery scenes and stuff and i think they purposely go onto the rail must to like try to gross you out as much as possible in some of those sequences but man just so so good. The neck is incredible on. Hbo max right now. I have never seen that. I've heard so many people talk about it. I'm going to have to give it a chance. I'm kind of i. Don't like those kind of more gruesome surgery. Things there is a there was an eye thing. I related surgery. That happened and i just had a fully opt out. I just like turned my head away from the screen. Which i never really do and i was like just not going to engage with this for like a scene and normally i just to be clear like begging sound like it's like a saul movie. There are other things going on in the show. Scores one hundred percent. You know the surgery stuff takes up you know. I don't know three to five minutes of every hour long episode or something like that it's it's really not percentage wise. It's not that much. it's just. It handles that stuff in a way that Not many other shows do especially because of the period setting and so that you have this sort of cringe factor of like. Oh my god. They're actually doing this. And then like a. Wow these were the techniques. They were using it this time. It's all super fascinating. But yes the drama is definitely an and the character work and all of that stuff that performances direction from sears. Stephen over all of that is at the forefront of the show is what makes it a tremendous piece of television The the other stuff is just the thing that like some people. I can imagine might be like all right. I gotta i gotta get off this train. I can't handle but I encourage everybody to give it a shot. Even though i'm not sure how many people make all the way to the end but you will definitely be rewarded you do. I've heard cinemax has like a few shows that are really good for like. I know one either had cinemax these days because just streaming. Hbo max or people have written off cinemax as because before before you know like ten years ago their original stuff was all like skin amax like sleazy kind of stuff but like they've had some good stuff like warrior banshee strike-back. I i haven't seen any of these shows by her quite a few things. Get things about him. So maybe they're maybe you know in this age that we're all looking for something to binge watch may maybe there's something there and you're you're cinemax on demand or whatever is it cinemax go. It's it's hbo. Max they poet over the nick and warrior and banshee at least over to h. Now did everybody has. Hbo max. they'll have the time to see some of the stuff. Okay let's move on to what we've been eating bread would have you been eating. Found some new including a new candy bar called the who's he. What's it which is why would say like the who's he what's it it's like a so you know there's a candy bar the the watcher mccall it right yeah by is a different one with a secret by the same company is by the same company. I i don't know if i would call it a sequel. But it's just i. I guess they're trying to capitalize on the nonsensical nature of you know candy bar name coming up with something. That is a little bit different. I guess i don't know but anyway it's I personally like it. More than the. What mccall it It has a peanut butter. Cream layer trumpet rice krispies. It's covered in milk chocolate. And so it's it's pretty sick And i wanna say chewy but it's just it's just chunky because of the the rice crispy layer and And the peanut butter cream. But i really liked it And so it's it's should be out everywhere on shelves. Now i find it at walmart near the The registers so it's it's in a red rapper. As opposed to the normal as rapper. Of the water mccall at so a who's he what's it Find it and i think you'll like it. Also so i'm a big fan of Puppy chow or money buddies. Whatever you wanna call it. The checks mix this covered with peanut butter and chocolate and the the one that is available on shelves from checks isn't necessarily always good as homemade because when it's homemade usually end up getting like a pretty good you know helping trump chocolate peanut butter on the cereal and the money buddies that you buy. They're not necessarily quite as fulfilling when it comes to see the covering But the i try to new version of it because they just released a pretzel bites version. Which is little like. Circular pretzel gets that are covered in the same trump peanut butter with powdered sugar formula. And they're pretty good. They're they're not quite as satisfying as the checks makes. There's something about the pretzel by itself. I don't know if it's just two tiny the ratio of like the pretzel to the rest of the ingredients quite as satisfying as it is with syria. Because with the cereal it's hollow on the inside and so some of it seeps into the inside of it and here is just like the pretzel trunk in the center so it's not bad But not as good as the the regular muddy buddies in my opinion so i got the trumpet. Peanut butter one. And there's also a cookies and cream one. I didn't really like the cookies and cream. One with the regular checks area also. I didn't go out of my way to try that one and then there are other way. Brad i'm looking at the rapper for the hussey. What said There's like this big name on it. Lisa and i'm like oh. Are they doing that thing. Where like coca like you know. This one's for peter that kind of customize thing but no no it says. the kenya was named by lisa. Yes she won a contest. I guess they like to ask for someone to come up with a good name for the candy bar and they had like tens of thousands of entries and she's the one who won. That's cool. Does her name gets on there for the the history of if this candy bar sticks around or is it just like they now grow bar. I don't i. i'm not sure that's a good question right right right. A very inquisitive letter to hershey defined until i. I tried these two Carnation breakfast essentials essentially which they call them health nutritional drinks. I guess they're basically just like protein breakfast shakes And these are flavored after a fruit loops an golden grams and those are two serials. That i i love as a fan gerald so i just wanted to try them in their liquefied note for And they're pretty good there. Isn't there protein shakes a little bit thicker than your average milk Definitely thicker than the cinnamon toast. Crunch milk that recently about But they're both very good they They have the fruit flavor is great. They're at as golden grams flavor. Which actually despite having honey graham flavor clearly in there it does taste pretty close to the cinnamon toast. Crunch milka As well but with a pretty good If you happen to like those things and you don't have time to have like cereal in your car We do have a little chunks of like no no no. It's a purely like liquefied form. It's not like a like if you got like a milkshake with cereal. Anything like that. It's it's no no serial trump's in if you're if you're texture person you don't have to worry about. This is something you'll get again. I mean maybe it's like. I got the mostly just to try them and i don't have like breakfast. Protein shakes super often. So i if i would say if you are a person who does like having chase there and you like these syria flavors good for me. Like i wouldn't get them again but not because i don't like them just because it's not part of my usual breakfast routine. I'm interested in trying these out because for a while i was doing shakes in my one problem with shakes shakes are all catered towards like people that love chocolate or strawberry. But nothing else like. That's all the or peanut butter. It does relate the three shakes you confide of anything. So i'm interested. What a free pebbles shake actually taste for fruit fruit loops. Well yeah same. St guys have steak 'n shake out there not not close by Sticking shake sometimes has like cereal inspired milkshakes and stuff like that On one more thing. So there's the monster has really been like expanding their Zero sugar energy drink line and it came out with a new flavor. That was right up my alley. Because it's it's also gold pineapple flavor And pineapple is One of my favorite fruits. And its flavor that i love even less. You know a little bit more on the artificial side when it comes to candy and soda and things like that And this one is pretty good. It's it's almost a little too sweet To the point where like it's like. You're drinking a pineapple jolly rancher. I guess you could say But i still like the flavor. I would probably like rhett would probably cut it with the by putting over is instead of drinking it. Straight out of the camp It has its similarly sweet as the watermelon was which also tasted kind of like a liquefied. 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Here's the good news. We have the technology and we have the price structures in place to completely be done with coal. But what about the political will and south africa is ready to start making vaccines. The pressing question is each company is actually going to shave technology so that we can stop manufacturing vaccine. I'm marco werman. Those stores are more today here on the world. i'm marco werman. It is good to be with you. We begin today's show on the soccer pitch. Where the european championship is underway gift for denmark to get past russia. Four to one yesterday showing that even after one of the danes suffered a dramatic heart attack during play ten days ago the team can shake it off and dominate off. The field tournament organizers uefa are making even bigger headlines. Your wife has declined the munich city council's request to have it. Stadium lit up in rainbow. Colors for germany's final game. Against hungary this week munich. Mayor de writer made the request to protest an anti. Lgbtq law recently passed by hungarian lawmakers. Today uefa said it declined the request because of its political context. Lucia dudits is a communications officer at the hatter society the oldest lgbtq organization in hungary In response to uefa refusal lucia other stadiums and institutions around. Germany said they will fly the lgbtq flag like frankfurt cologne and berlin for example. What does that show of support mean to you. Is that significant. I think it's absolutely amazing. What we are seeing both around the end in hungary right now. We have never seen such support for the hungarian community. It is so important that we see that. The word is united on this front. And you know this. This amendment is so evil because it is trying to blatantly arrays educated wise people's existence. So again it's just to for how much solidarity we have seen over the past weeks but seemingly not support from hewlett. How does that temper everything for you. I did not understand you. Decision to be honest because montano yard captain of the german national team was varying a rainbow armbands against portugal during the game. And they said that. It's a simple for divers at the end. Thus dave comment so to say that Lighting up the alliance rain ice to political. I just don't understand it. The existence of our community is not a political question. It's a mere fact. So it's the law hunger. The triggered this debate hungary's parliament passed this law. Banning lgbtq related educational programs products and advertising for people under eighteen. how will this impact. Lgbtq people in ongeri of fair move concerned about is the bullying and the abuse of the students of your face in educational settings. Our surveys showed that right now. More than half alleged students feel unsafe in their institutions and offense of them has end your physical abuse because of their sexual orientation or Through identity i think that The government is abandoning these children and they are trying to do it under the umbrella of protecting them. Actually so i think it's just an evil political move that cost the lives of people and the lives of educated youth. Is it clear to you. Lucia how the hungarian government would even be able to regulate and track this kind of content on a national scale. No no this is absolutely unclear and uncertain right. Now they are saying daviel actually evaluate media content after it has been broadcast or aired in the statement your group the hatter society said this bill is similar to a russian law from two thousand thirteen which basically made it illegal to distribute. Lgbtq related content to minors is the comparison to the russian anti gay propaganda law as it was referred to was it so troubling because of the uncertainty that surrounds the bill and the legal consequences. V have no clue what will happen about edge be educational programs or what counts as the portrayal or replication of offer topics and anything openly gay person books into school to give a speech about something else but you know he's openly gay. Is that the propagation of homosexuality so it's just a lot of questions. So hungary's pride month starts this friday culminating with a great lakes and july. What's the message you in the header. Society have for pride month. What we are saying is that we want everyone to come to the pride march because it is not just the march. It's a statement. It's a statement that we are here that will not be silenced and the raised and we need everyone heterosexual people and their allies as well to come out and protest us and showed the government that we will not the erased. Dude is the communications officer at the hatter society. She's been speaking with us from budapest lucia. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you very much. Thanks lottery tickets beer. Cash and as you heard yesterday on the show even cows incentives being offered around the world to drive up vaccination numbers but with new surges and cova cases. Many places are also turning to a firm approach vaccine mandates. The world's alana gordon reports on how they can work or backfire rodrigo detaille president of the philippines delivered harsh words during a televised address. Last night to people who refused to get a covid nineteen vaccine potus to get get vaccinated or i will have you jailed. It wasn't an official policy. It lacks legal grounds for the frustration with lagging vaccine campaigns in some regions and the spread of a more transmissible delta variant has put much of the world on edge. It's prompted more leaders to consider mandates and some parts of pakistan indonesia. There's a financial penalty for turning down vaccine in the uk where the delta variant is ramp in british health secretary. Matt hancock recently urged members of parliament to do more to improve vaccinations. We know science has given us a solution. We must use this time to protect as many people as we can as quickly as we can. He then introduced policy. All care workers in nursing homes must get the job by or they may be moved out of frontline positions. Mike pam is managing director of saint. Cecilia care services. A group of care homes in north yorkshire fire. He says they should get vaccinated by have to say. I'm disappointed that it's going to be made mandate tree We live in. Democracy live in a free world. And i think it's important that people have the right to refuse something injects body. They wanted along with. Governments businesses and universities are also debating different kinds of mandates for covid nineteen penalties range from being blocked entry to losing one's job lawrence. Boston is global health professor at georgetown university. He says vaccine mandates are not a new phenomenon in in the united states. The very first time that the supreme court reviewed a vaccine policy was a mandate in nineteen hundred five and the case of jacobson versus massachusetts the city of cambridge was requiring all of its residents to be vaccinated against smallpox or face a hefty fine. The court ruled in favor of states and the mandate in the time since more than a hundred countries have enacted vaccine mandates that are often tied to educational or financial penalties and they've helped dramatically reduce the spread of deadly illnesses. The cd's see hall childhood. Vaccinations including mandates the public health achievement of the twentieth century gosden says for covid nineteen mandates may be the way to go to protect certain groups. We don't have time to wait with particularly high risk communities. I'm very concerned there won't be enough planning going. On these kinds of policies julie lease has been studying vaccine campaigns for decades nursing professor at the university of sydney she says for mandates to work. They have to strike a fine balance and for covid nineteen. It should be a last resort because a lot of policy. Mike is end. Businesses in organization manages will see mandates as a quick fix sinisi solution and not recognize all the issues that come with them. Vaccines have to be readily available and people have to trust their safe and effective least has analyzed the way mandates and proved childhood. Vaccinations in australia. If brought people in who were on the fence and for those who were against it no matter. What if they tried hard enough. They could find an exemption. That's important because if people are reasonably against vaccination we've seen in our research we've seen in large scale studies that those who are already planning to not vaccinate will often do gain find otherwise around in the may even become more against vaccination. This is why the. Who urges caution when considering different kinds of mandates last week in russia the mayor of moscow announced that allstate and service sector workers must get vaccinated by mid august. otherwise they'd risk losing their jobs. Dr vastly loss of is wary. He's an epidemiologist. Does higher school of economics. He thinks moscow's approach could backfire because the country's sputnik v campaign has been rocky and confusing and the vaccine itself hasn't gone through rigorous clinical trials to throws to the national origin statistics of the begin. Only twelve percent of the population has been vaccinated. Lasts up says for many who've really don't want it there's an easy workaround. No aggression you. May i the certificate of what summation on the internet so even though a mandate may lead some people to finally get vaccinated at least in russia last worries that the policy may cause more harm down the road and containing the pandemic for the world. I'm alana gordon. Its peak traffic season along. Australia's east coast. That is if you're a whale. Some forty thousand humpback whales or commuting from antarctica to the great barrier reef where calves are born. it wasn't always an easy journey. Until the nineteen sixties. The whales were hunted for oil and bone and are still on the list of threatened species. Just how complete their comeback has been though that depends on whom you ask. Here's more from illinois whitehead. Who covers australia and new zealand for our partners at the economist. The humpbacks here in australia has been reading incredibly successfully. They've been breeding one expert. Who i spoke to put like rabbits. The wien films of them moving along this year up the case decent austrailia in these giant reports of dozens of humpbacks which is a scale the scientists are saying. They've never seen before and everything so well. The federal environment department thinks. It's time to take them off. Australia's list of threatened species listed at the moment as vulnerable which gives them kind of extra funding and attention. Taking them off would mean that gets to go to other animals. It's not exactly like a one in one out situation but only so shift those resources and the kind of official line is other creatures. Need that help. More and humpbacks will still be protected under an environmental law which looks migratory species but there are a lot of scientists who are worried about the thinking. Is that the whales face a whole range of problems which are way more complicated than the simple one to solve of wailing back in the day. So that's everything from being hit by boats ocean pollution noise pollution being cool in fishing nets a humpback cool in fishing just off the beach where i live just the other week and they had to stay just massive rescue operation for so none of these problems have affected numbers yet but then this the present threat of climate change in that affects the krill. The whales eat so there is a kind of concern among environmentalists could be threats to the numbers coming in the might be a crash coming in the future. Typically they grow in numbers the on the ecosystems capacity to support them when you compare the humpbacks situation to that of other creatures in australia. Generally animals in australia not fairing that well Highest mammal extinction rate of any country in the world according to environmental charities. The plenty of creatures that kind of come off that threatened species list because unfortunately they've gone extinct so it's nice that there is one that might be doing that because it's throwing the economists. Eleanor whitehead in australia. They're coming up a bio luminescent glow. It could become a new tool in fighting leftover. Landmines that story's coming your way in just a bit. You're listening to the world support for the world comes from clark university. Earn a master's degree that will prepare you to take on some of the world's biggest challenges like climate change displaced populations social and environmental justice and renewable energy the international development community and environment department at clark university offers generous scholarships for your masters degree personalized advising and a flexible admissions process. So you can start right away. Make a difference with a masters degree from clark. Visit us on the web. At clark you dot edu slash idc. I'm marco werman the world to have any chance at beating back climate change. The planet needs to get off of call burning it pumps out a lot of greenhouse gases last weekend the world's richest countries promises to soon stop financing new coal fired power plants abroad leaders at the g. Seven summit made that pledge and pressured china to do the same but within their own countries. The story of coal looks a little different. The world's environment correspondent carolyn bieler. Un secretary general antonio gutierrez back in march called on developed countries to stop burning coal by twenty. Thirty science tells us central to meet the goals and protect future generations. G seven members should take the lead ins can meet to this phase out at the g seven summit at the latest. That didn't happen chris. Little from the european climate change think tank e. Three g says that was despite pressure from the uk the meetings host. I think there is disappointment. That ultimately they couldn't be some stronger language than the agreed little says the g seven's power comes from its ability to shape global norms. So if it wants the world to move away from burning coal should go first longtime bangladeshi. Climate negotiator. Meson con says. It's an equity issue. Seven countries must show the leadership because historically they had been in a moment. Belittle call provides about a third of the world's electricity's and produces more planet warming emissions than oil or gas. Chris cox says five of the seven g seven countries have already committed to an end date for coal domestically that includes france canada italy germany and the uk so that leaves the united states and japan without formal date so what's the holdup for these countries in the us. Cole is already on the decline largely. Due to competition from cheaper natural gas coal plants are retiring and no new ones are underdevelopment but still the. Us has stopped short of promising to shudder all. Its coal fired power plants by any specific date. We have the technology and we have the price structures in place to completely be done with coal here in the us. The biggest impediment frost is political. Will shoot a chakraborty is the us lead for. We don't have time a social media network for people concerned about climate change. She says moving away from coal is unpopular in places where it provides jobs. No one place. More notable than west. Virginia and senator joe manchin whose vote is really critical for the upcoming infrastructure. Bill and so for that reason biden is treading more gently than he would otherwise in japan on the other hand. Coal is actually on the rise. Clearly japan is not yet ready to phasing out of coal can meco he. Lata is the director of the kiko or climate network. In japan she says after the fukushima daiichi nuclear disaster a decade ago the country closed its nuclear power plants and started building. Coal plans to fill the energy gap. Japanese population doesn't want nuclear anymore. So we need to find a way to move away from core at the same time. Time of moving away from nuclear reduce very challenging. Prime minister yoshida suge has set a target of reaching net zero greenhouse gas emissions by the middle of the century. The government is trying to revive the nuclear industry. But it also says. Cole is an important part of the energy mix. I think it's good mixed message that the government is at this stage. What isn't necessarily is to make a decision we will move towards. Renewables saw that a lot of efforts can be sifted towards that end international pressure on richer countries to move away from coal will continue ahead of this fall as you on climate summit but domestic politics will keep shaping the decision making for the world. I'm caroline bieler e. coli bacteria best associated with food poisoning and product recalls. Some researchers in israel may have found a way for e. coli to save lives using the bacteria to help detect unexploded landmines. We're joined by professor shimshon belkin. He's a microbiologist. At hebrew university in jerusalem leading this research first of all professor belkin. How does this work exactly. How can e. coli be used to help identify. Landmines lend nine are not completely. Saint and traces of explosives can escape out of the minds casing in accumulated the soil above the mind. This is the reason for example that the dogs may be trained to smell land mines. That don't actually smell the mind. The smell the traces of explosives which emanated from the night. Now if it can take dogs but can also train bacteria to the same. So that's what you've been able to train these bacteria to sniff out. Tnt residue trainees took picturesque. What what we do molecular genetic to respond to the presence of the dog compounds by generating an optical signal in this case bioluminescence so this is a very simplistic way of describing engine in buck. This essay often tell my students only nation in stoke deal in designing different sensors for different compounds. That is so cool in your imagination clearly ran wild ability to create an e. Coli that can glow when it detects this explosive residue. How long have you been working on this. And what inspired you to go in this direction. Phenomenally have been working on this for about ten years ago. Whether they'll we could think of a good way to remotely detect mines the bubbling being. Not that he's constantly no vibrant technology for the remote detection of net minds methods most often. These days are not that different from those principles. Eighteen years ago in world war two in other words metal detectors which you have to hold in your hands and bring into the field risking of course human knife and equipment and so will you also need to test this concept. I mean you just can't walk out in a suspected minefield and released the e. Coli bacteria right. So how have you been testing this in l. Filters today we all justice binding the head because they sell. Well contol minefields however we're working on and disposal subsystem by dono by plane. How do these e coli not to stay in one spot where the mines are. They don't stain once both actually cover than those that find themselves above a lead mine begin to glow each bacterium turns into a small five. Oh so professor. If in fact you get proof of concept and you're glowing e. coli bacteria become successful tool to identify landmines. Clearly it's got the potential to save a lot of lives. How much is that. Been preoccupying your thoughts as you and your team conducted this research. It's always it's not that it's easier to get funding from these foaming military is really military. We also have onslaught but the money darrien aspects is always thought because my vision is to use these forms to develop a system that would be highly used for saving lives in countries that really need to countries in reach remnants of whoa at costs thousands of a death and injuries. Heavy professor shimshon belkin a microbiologist at hebrew university in jerusalem speaking with us about his research on how e. coli can be used to identify landlords. Professor thank you very much thank you. It's been a pleasure you're with the world. The uk has a new conservative tv news channel. It's been dubbed fox news of britain. But how much does a comparison really hold. I think we'll have to wait and see at the moment. It's just incompetent. News of britain when fox launch it looked like a proper slick professional operation. This looks like amateur allah. that's coming up. You're on the world i'm marco. Werman this is the world. We're a co production of gbh boston npr x. In brazil nearly a thousand members of indigenous tribes are now camped. In the capital brasilia. Ms occupation comes just weeks. After miners violently attacked indigenous communities in the amazon and amid legal battles that could have lasting repercussions for brazil's native peoples michael fox reports. This scene has become commonplace over the last week. And a half. Eight hundred members of almost four dozen indigenous tribes across brazil are camped in brasilia. Just a short walk from congress and rows of government buildings dice. Both there are indigenous peoples from across brazil here said ricardo shaw. A young potential show leader wearing a face mask and a beaded necklace. We resisting and more indigenous. People are on the way and they have been busy. They've shut down. Streets protested in front of the mining ministry and march to the start of the copa mak- soccer tournament. Their actions have been shared in countless videos over social media. This is the most active indigenous mobilization in brazil since the start of the pandemic and it's being organized by the country's largest indigenous in this video sent to me by groups on the ground rose of indigenous men wearing armbands and feathered headdresses chant behind a metal fence before them. A pack of policemen blocked blocked entrance into a congressional building inside indigenous representatives. What shana is fighting a bill which also nato's allies are looking to push through congress if approved the legislation would weaken indigenous peoples right to their land and opened the door to extractive industries. The congressional committee was expected to vote on the bill last week but it was pushed off amid protests. Factors where i to bury this. Bill said a genial makuuchi an indigenous leader from the state of emma we will not leave brasilia defeated. He said they've also demonstrated in front of brazil's supreme court which is expected to decide over a key case this month it could affirm indigenous rights to their land or set a precedent stripping native rights to territory. That was not officially recognized when the brazilian constitution was approved. In one thousand. Nine hundred eight fetal cells did cds. Now let the exposing Toronto says that would be a tragedy. He's a leader of the show. Claimed people whose case over twenty three thousand hectares of land is coming up in the supreme court he says that for thousands of years the cling lived all across southern brazil. Today less than five hundred families remained on their territory. Auspices almost two blessed Did it says we need the court to recognize the rights of indigenous peoples because we have always lived on these lands in many ways. The country's native peoples camped in brasilia. See this moment as do or die. Brazil's constitution protects their rights and their territories but president jair bolsonaro has resuscitated policies and mindset leftover from the brazilian dictatorship of the nineteen sixties in one thousand nine hundred seventy s. Which believed brazil's native peoples should be incorporated into society or move out of the way of the country's development for the first time as president bolsonaro visited indigenous community late last month in the western amazon. Chance you focus your force. You owe gang fake affair. There are people that treat them as though they need to be hidden reservations. Bolsonaro told cameras. They don't want them to evolve. They don't want them to cultivate an exploit the land to mine to build small hydroelectric dams. He said some. Of brazil's native peoples may want that but not those fighting for their survival in brasilia. Hundreds from the encampment in brasilia protested outside. Funai brazil's bureau for indian affairs and demanded. The director be removed in an open letter. They said he was negotiating. Their lives for the benefit of agribusiness interests and illegal mining. Police responded with pepper spray and tear gas bombs at allow oil up. Lease the bomba in digits activist. Sonya what is this genre film the scene and shared it over twitter. This is how funai receives indigenous peoples. She said the accusation in brasilia is expected to stretch on at least through the end of the month when the supreme court is scheduled to rule native peoples. Know that even if they win there and defeat the bill in congress. It doesn't end their own going battle to defend their rights their territory and the future of their people for the world. I'm michael fox. Florida bliss. Brazil life is getting back to normal and parts of the world. Thanks to messenger. Aren a technology m a vaccines. Basically teach ourselves had to make a protein that will trigger an immune response to fight in this case. Covid it's close to miraculous technology as you can get but only a few places in the world are capable of building these aren vaccines but soon thanks for the world. Health organization and france companies in south africa might south africa's president cyril ramaphosa called the step historic through this initiative novice. We will change the narrative of an africa. That is a centre of disease and poor development activists like fatima hasan who directly health justice initiative in capetown south africa. Hope the initiative can be a game changer on the continent. So the idea is that. It's a partnership between a consortium of the research institutions academic scientists and universities in south africa as well as a local public private initiative remain to be working together with the support of the south african government to be able to do two things one is to immediately take his that would be shared with them to scale up in your factoring of xi's and therapeutics but also over time and the indication is between nine to twelve months. Start working with new partners and to assess new applications for potentially new vaccines not just for covid nineteen but for other diseases as well as so. Obviously we welcome the announcement that there's going to be a hub which is going to benefit the rest of the continent of the question is which company will actually step forward now in this pandemic and in future pandemics to shear the technology with the hub. So that we can start scaling up supplies without the explicit cooperation of his companies without the passing of the trips waiver and without and immediate relaxation of intellectual property. Rules is going to be very difficult to be able to get a voluntary transfer of technology from these frontrunner vaccine companies. Do see the move is kind of calling the bluff of companies in the west. Who say yes. We will share. Definitely is her for months. We've been told that they isn't manufacturing capacity that there's no capacity in the global tells to be able to use the what's called a complex technology to be able to scale up that particular in for and what we've shown is that the opposite is actually true. We've been saying for months that these under utilized capacity in many parts of the global south including in africa and particularly in south africa. And they were there to be an explicit cooperation. Were there to be genuine sharing of the backseat know-how in transfer of that knowledge we would actually being of a different situation in this pandemic. In my country right now pays retrieved vaccinating very slow i mean the whole continent only has less than three percent of people actually vaccinated. So we're really hoping that the hub will actually could potentially one day become a game changer. But it won't become a game changer. If the us government and the companies that have benefited from public funding for this research are not willing to sit around the table. Actually share the technology with the hub without agreement from leaders like moderna pfizer to share the technology. You're saying that this hub is really just theoretical. Right now yeah so. That is a concern that we have. There's been a lot of fanfare about the announcement of the hub. But i think really the question. Now has to be posed to the us government into companies like madonna and fiso well. Are you going to participate in this particular initiative and if not why not and if these companies refuse you know the question is why doesn't the biden administration just stepping. They could compel the transfer of technologies. So those are real concerns. Fatima is still do. See this plan as historic look. I think it's too early to tell. I wouldn't want to call it historic. i think it's important. I think it sends a few signals. One that you know if you create a challenge and people are actually willing to make the necessary investments and if you have the right partners you can create the necessary infrastructure to be able to deal with the issue of a lack of manufacturing capacity. But i think fundamentally the question that it will pose or or the question that that has to be answered is to what extent are richer nations. And you know a handful of vaccine company. Ceo's going to want to participate in initiatives that can actually deka modify vaccines and therapeutics and all lifesaving medicines so you know it's it's just really absurd to asset in the middle of a pandemic in the situation where we having to beg companies to share their technology and to really try and get vaccines to everyone. Who needs it so for now. I think it's it's too early to say whether this will be a success or not. I think it's an important initiative but a lot is now going to depend on the ability of unfortunately politicians to get the right partners to be able to share their technology. I understand the the political side of this but just in terms of an m. r. n. A hub up and running. I mean isn't the science difficult and isn't it time consuming to replicate this so the early indications on not being some examples of marina facilities coming online within six to nine months and that has happened in europe and public citizen has documented a lot of that And what we've been saying for the last few months in respect of the amarna platform is that it is possible to actually set up the necessary facilities to be able to make a marina based vaccine and that is certainly happened in europe. And we certainly can do to africa's well fortum her son directly health justice initiative in south africa. She's been speaking with us from capetown. Thank you very much for your time. Fatima britain has a new tv news channel. Gb news launched ten days ago. Promising to talk about the things that really matter to the people of britain even though its main investors all come from outside the uk as europe correspondent orla barry reports from london. Some are already calling it. Britain's answer to fox news. When broadcaster andrew neil launched gb news a little over a week ago he was clear. What the uk's new tv news channel would be all about giving us will not slavishly follow the existing us agenda. We are committed to covering the people's agenda. Note the media's agenda. We are proud to be british. The clue is in the name militia former bbc broadcaster and gb news a star presenter. He also happens to live a lot of the time in the south of france. The channel has promised to take on so-called cancel culture. One late night show even as a segment called on cancelled the plans to speak with those who say they've been silenced on launch night presenter wooden opened his show with a rant about british football players taking the need there is nothing racist about opposition to taking the knee. It is a political gesture connected to the black lives matter organization which we do just have to remember supports the overthrow of capitalism and the defunding of how police the channel claims. It doesn't have any obvious political leaning onto uk regulations. Broadcasters are supposed to be impartial off com. Tv regulator has already received hundreds of complaints about gb news. The british government for one doesn't seem all that bothered in a newspaper column this past weekend. The uk's culture secretary oliver dowden rose that the station is a welcome addition to media diversity. If you don't like their ideas he said change. The channel match launch head of journalism cardiff university. He's in surprised. By this apparent show of support by the british government. The conservative party has for a long time. Felt that british bruyas news is broadly liberal and opposed in its values to what the conservative party stands for and some of the traditional values of conservative party supporters. Traditionally it's newspapers in britain. The show political bias majority lean to the right. This will be the first time. A tv station is seen to do. The same. Within days of the channels launch companies like ikea navia and blue girlish pulled their advertising. Heike tweeted that he doesn't like to appear on platforms. That don't share. Its humanistic values match ward says. This reaction actually plays into the station's narrative for jimmy muses point of view. It's probably being a really good thing because it's given them an opportunity to kick back against the advertisers and say look at these this cozy consensus that sitting here where we are the disruptors and in terms of the actual money that it would be making out of it well. I suspect they wouldn't have been receiving that much income from these birds anyway. Brushwood captured most attention in the first week of broadcast. Were the ads. But the on air blunders. The sound dropped in announcer radically on their captions. Were misspelled abiotic. Q. sometimes tyranny wrong in march eighteen ninety six. That's not right. Something incredible grows actually much eight hundred ninety six. Sorry my history. Doesn't the cameras sometimes panned two empty chairs indoctrinated studios. Maybe more embarrassing for the presenters. Were the trolls. Viewers pranked the work calling in using crude. Fake names presenter. Simon mccoy was clearly not amused. Some people use really funny to send in text messages on the basis. That if we read them out we we've been had you still doing it. And i'm watching them and it doesn't help anybody to to. The person's just messaged grow up. Angela phillips emerges professor of journalism at goldsmiths university of london says she was taken aback by all the technical mishaps. I was actually really surprised by both. How dull the foam was and how by the technical quality rose did look horribly like what we've all been looking at it than eighteen months. You looked as you're watching people on zoom most of the time before the channel launched many said. Gb news will be like a fox. News for britain phillips says that comparison is unfair to fox. I think we'll have to wait and see at the moment. It's just incompetent. News britain when folks launched it looked like a proper slake professional operation. This looks like amateur hour. Bought matt walsh. Who used to run a twenty four hour. News channel says these glitches are to be expected with any new station. The question is whether gb news can hold onto its viewers watch believes that the channel has its eye on the online market and that is really his to build up a paying subscriber base. In fact walsh says making a profit might not be the investors initial intention. Some of the backers were quite prominent in the brexit debate. What is it that they want to get out of. This is it. Is it money or is it cultural political influence. Just how long station can last without making money though few can say rupert murdoch ditched his plans for right-wing news channel in britain a couple of months ago where the gb news is. Britain's fox news are just a scrappy startup. one is rising it off. Just yes for the world. i'm more to bari in london. A bench breakthrough in the long simmering conflict in yemen report suggests that after its years long bombing campaign. Saudi arabia is now desperate to get out of yemen and ready to talk peace to discuss this. We turn to nod to sorry. She's a yemeni american political analyst and non resident scholar with the middle east institute in washington mud. Why do you think. Saudi arabia wants to extricate itself from the war in yemen. I mean it's been involved for six years why now this audi's are fatigued. They've been at war with the hoodies sense early. Two thousand fifteen and they've been particularly stock since the agreement which was brokered in december. Two thousand eighteen between the season had government which stopped the emirati horses from retaking the key. Seat seaboard of data from the who these which led the emirati stu kind of scaled down their operations in yemen and decide that they're not going to be more offensive operations so the saudis have been stuck since then because it was maradas that that we're doing the ground operations not the saudis. And so they're just desperate to get out so officials from saudi arabia and the who the rebels are now talking. How and when did these talks start and where they at just saudis have been talking with that who these since two thousand fifteen. It's not true that the saudis have not been talking with the hood they have been and these have been hosted by the saudis in south saudi arabia. Several times but right now the only thing that has changed is that the saudis are desperate to leave and these know that the saudis are desperate leave. So that's why the who these. Their demands are very high. The they're not giving any concessions in return My understanding is at the talks now between the saudis and the rebels are centered around the saudis lifting and air and sea blockade in exchange. The who would guarantee a truce is that essentially. What's on the table right now. So the whole are demanding that the airport sirport's Be open completely an conditionally before having any talks about any other thing before talking about ceasefire or any or any other or giving other concessions and the hokies insists that these are humanitarian issues and must not be tied to the negotiations on the conflict in the ceasefire. But are you optimistic. Not whether these early steps to good actually bring about peace. no no. I mean the saudi. The negotiations have nothing to do with peace. They're not gonna lead to be. The thing is what it is in the saudis negotiating right now on what the who decide demanding is for the saudis to leave him unconditionally. They've said that publicly. they've published a vision on that. It's a very clearly articulated in their public statements that they want the saudis to leave. They want all the seaports airports to be open. Want this saudis to lead them did with yemen. So what's going to happen. If the saudis leave let's let's assume that they reach an agreement in the saudis. Leave unconditionally like these want. What's going to happen is that these will continue their plan to capture the important city of marriage. Which is the last government stronghold where three million civilians live including one point five million and they're going to continue to sort of the country because they want to consolidate their control over yemen. So we're going to see a de escalation in who the attacks to saudi. But we're gonna see images of the internally. How much of a role does a new white house administration play in this. Are they quietly. Pressuring saudi to dial back. Its warren yemen and is this a scenario biden. bargain I would say to some extent yes. Biden made it very clear when he came to power that he wants to the yemen conflict to annan's and he wants he would reduce the support for saudi Offensive operations but that's only part of the reason why the saudis want to leave they completely mismanaged the war and they don't seem to have the competency to to lead a war where they defeat the hood. These i should mention that. Saudi arabia's also been holding talks with iran which supports the. Who would you say. Saudis willingness to talk is also part of greater efforts to improve relations with its regional rival. I do think that the saudis want deceased deceased this deescalation with iran. I don't think though that they are tuna heaved thing that iran will the escalate. So not sure that. The talks with between iran and the saudis. We go far. But it's certainly interesting to see the saudis up into that. Nowhere does arias a yemeni. American political analyst and non resident scholar with the middle east institute in washington. 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#153 - BBC Four Goes Archive Only; Spotify Buys Locker Room; Time Out Revenues Fall

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#153 - BBC Four Goes Archive Only; Spotify Buys Locker Room; Time Out Revenues Fall

"Love this podcast. Support this show through the acoss saporta feature. It's up to you how much you give. And there's no regular commitment. Just hit the link in the show description to support. Now hello and welcome to the media. Podcast i'm ali man. Today's show is kay burley. Leaving sky worship joining team. Gb news we speculate wildly also on the program. Is bbc. four stops commissioning. You show is what's left of the channel and its mission class spotify buys the next clubhouse we look at the press outlets claiming life and what it says about the state of the industry and wiki view every summit nightmare in the form of media quiz. It's come on this edition. Is the media podcast joining me today via the magic of et cetera. It is planning director at eshelman. karen robinson hallo karen. It's april fool's day on the day. We're recording so the media are hard at work actively creating fake news as anything caught your eye. Well i have to confess to having been taken in by one At least for awhile i. It's been many years since. I've actually been fooled by an april fool's prank but today In my local neighborhood of wolfenstein two. I read a local media. Report that a weight rose was coming to welcome style and got briefly excited. I can imagine how excited that must've. Maybe i was briefly very excited until about chapter paragraph four when they started mocking the citizens of for are supposed affinity for keen wall. And i thought this isn't rail is not nice. You got a slap in the face and you realize your the target for satire. Yes all at the same time me also joining us And broadcasting executive around media. Gary professor lee is how hellas eye. What did you think of april fools day as a tradition. Does it still have a place. Because he does trust doesn't new sources it's horrible dislike it but on the other hand is longtime tradition and it's very british. Its way i suppose didn't the country's jerry. I'm sure they do but particular. Yeah stu probably from a british origin Gems have a similar thing. Nothing well they like to put out press releases. Volkswagen can but i do remember the of very famous in and karen would remember it but there was one of the guardian did years ago about an island called san serif and they did a whole sort of extra supplement about this island. And what you could do on this island and what it grew unan and of course those in the know knew that sunsari was a fund and it was a associated printers journeys type in joe but i remember people were really taken by it and i also remember when i was a kid on panorama. They did think about spaghetti. Being grown in italy is i can absolutely. I can remember my mother turning to my father and said it doesn't grow that as fred and you know they were bulma. Mother was particularly taken in by. But it also makes you realize how how much easier than when people weren't quite so knowledgeable as they are now and it could be taken in conned a lot more by april. Sometimes i think you're so worried about the april fool. It becomes sort of grumpy and truculent all day. I should say the the new made reference to you. That is also where this is. Lbj kosta with a in dial. This isn't an april fools. We think News just breaking we record that k. Barely may not be returning to sky news. Which uncannily was your prediction on the media. Podcast prediction special this year. Yeah wasn't it joust got one right anyway It does seem as if it's true. I've just tried to to fade all. Mentions of sky knees of being eradicated from it. So it's been reported by the express in the mirror and is about sibits not trending on twitter. I suspect i don't think this is a great surprise. I think it would have been quite difficult for her to go back to that job. The question is what will she do next go. She started scott on sky knees with andrew. Neil back in nineteen eighty nine. People naturally draw the conclusion that she will go you to Two gb news They've already appointed to female presenters for their breakfast. Show custody gallagher and rosy right. It's not impossible that she could go. He never really wanted to do breakfast. At sky did she. She was going to put on breakfast. Because you know they will need to do something with iraq fisher because it never quite recovered after mannheim's laugh. Well that's that is true but given that they filled up most of the rest of. I'm not sure what else she would fit. But does she sort of present type anywhere. Not sure that she's particularly right wing. Shall we say. Let's how you're raising your hand as you can have a breakfast show with more than two women and you can have more than the number of women that they've already got on on gb mtv going to have to think about it anyway because they've sort of count up from what i see. They've got fourteen. Names named presenters on five of them women so that women are lacking behind and they seem to be the biggest names or in the biggest loss so a big name like kay burley would be a real real coup for them. I would have solved. We mustn't say ho it's breakfast for. It's got to be women on the grounds that women get breakfast. I don't know what that thinking is. I mean k. Is a very competent. Journalist could go anywhere in the will do extremely well. I would sink and they can always with something like that squeeze. This weekend's to cover does all sorts of things going on individual. Do you think karen the if all the presented as the do provoke a reaction. The do have very strong. Flavors are migrating away two gb news and possibly this new mode up effort that actually sky news might be looking not to replace them with equally spiky people that actually the niche for sky. News must be to look even more like the bbc's than they do. Yeah i mean. I can tell you this guy style strategy i mean. The news is a loss leader for sky. Said they really use it as a reputational answer ride so they use it to drive trust in affiliation from amongst their Some of their stakeholder audiences more show than to a commercial audience or or consumer audience so as much as they. Obviously you know sky always want there ratings to be maximized for them. It's about credibility in it's about reputation they've done a great job with the new service of of building that credibility and reputation. So i expect they will be looking for presenters that have a lot of gravitas. Rather than as you say. Spike your ones in the next round will say okay. Let's get some other stuff but well done the infra correctly predicting that back in late december we're going to start with the bbc There's nothing quite to compete with the seismic flood of announcements that we pulled over in our last edition By the babe half point this week that it'd be nine. The bbc four will no longer produce new shows and will become an archive for the broadcast. sounds to me a bit lightly as they're essentially evolving from the tv version of radio. Four to the tv version of radio four extra. Do you think people notice the difference. Yeah i think they will notice the difference in one of the things that i'm interested in investigating which i can't see any whereas if they're going to still be taking material from european and scandinavian channels which is something i really liked about Bbc full. You could get some really interesting drama on that. And that's what i went. The i think the idea of an allcock channel is interesting in could be quite sensible. And if they're going to fix other stories is again bring rap bbc three so it's not going to be necessary necessarily old bowl bad news Things have got to change in four if they're building bbc to has always had this confusion with bbc too. So i don't think it's necessarily awful being counters ruining a fabulous national treasure. I think it could be quite a sensible evolution. Your the question politically because there's always a political dimension to these decisions. These days is whether a channel of repeats is a good use of the license fee or the digital spectrum. And whether that's something they can justify it might be. They might be able to say yes. This is the best value for money on lots of people. The bbc bbc to become charles repeats as well. So i'm not sure. This is a particularly innovative move. I actually think it's a bad one. I think it would have been ashamed to just got rid of bbc as i. You speculating on bond. Recent editions. of this podcast. I think that they have such a vast archive. If they can make have a popular appeal demi just repeating things like only fools and horses and things like that but they have so many dramas. I have so many documentaries. That don't see the light of day for years and years. And i think they really could make the most of this. It could actually get a much bigger audience. And then he gets now on. How often we all watch bbc full. But i would say it's kind of once in a blue moon and it's almost i've always thought bbc. Four was bbc to light in a way or heavy in some ways they. What did i say the other week. They had a thing about a welsh. Poetry and a security is really something for sort of mass tv channel. I'm sure it is well. This is the second both. Liz and ian have made the point that you can see a lot of similar stuff on bbc to bolster bbc to identify what amanda nucci was tweeting about with regards to the thick of it but he was saying well that lois show bbc four. If that hadn't happened there'd be no veep because you know the thick of it wouldn't have led to in the league which would have led to mean not actually true. I'd have commissioned on mandate new g. to make a new political comedy for bbc to wouldn't you i mean now that he's mandatory minucci. Yes but before he was the person we know has our monday itchy. Maybe not i think you need. We knew as a monday night. But you need to give craters a place to to get started in do slightly riskier things in slightly Things that appeal to slightly different audience. So i don't know that. It's i don't know that it's going to be the end of the world as we know it for channel four to switch to that but i do think it's f bbc four to switch to that but if he gets a bit of a shame that this suspicion is that it's going to mean you know the net number of new programs produced is going to be fewer which means each number of New program produced is going to be that little bit riskier and therefore Perhaps a little bit safer. I think before was a place where you could. You could be a little bit more experimental. And i think that's that's that's a good thing but proportionally the amount of new material on bbc relatively small wasn't it and i think a lot of people did associated with buying in exciting and interesting external international product denied. I'd like to know what's going to happen to that. As much as about the the production itself because production will find place will be an area somewhere. Will they'll try out new productions and gives them an airing whether or not bbc four was the right slinky bachchan for production. I don't know anyway. It's big leap to get onto bbc. Four even perhaps elite other areas for that. But i would like some reassurance all these great scudding laws aren't gonna go away the no. I should clarify on that. So yeah. they've they've said there will be new story. Villes still on bbc four and there will be international still for in that case. I'm relatively happy. I the stuff i used to watch the kind of slightly nerdy kind of neil brand mark kermode stuff. But that's so bbc. You know this idea. That will do an hour long program about how george gershwin structured cords that you kind of think. Well that will end up on i player. Anyway they're not going to not stuff because no one else makes that stop well. They've lost on bbc. Four is right at the beginning. They used to lots of political documentaries. Which i absolutely loved things. That may not have ever been done on bbc two. They haven't been doing that for several years. Bbc to stop doing them. We michael cocoon used to oversee. Do these hour long marvelous documentaries. Nobody's doing those now Now that the effectively. The bbc politics departments been abolished. And it's all been subsumed into news. News don't really make programs. They make news programs but they don't really understand up commentaries. And i really worry though on the bbc now. There is little outlet for proper documentaries. The and i'm not hyphen. What sounded too much like gear but those ones that we used to remember that. I'm sure less you're involved in commissioning. Lots of in the eighties and nineties. I think it's a real shame that the public service of this country is no longer doing that kind of thing. I'm not doing it seriously. let's move onto audio now and specify have found yet more money than the sipho. At this time. I've gone and bought a live audio. Social media thingy known as locker room It is part of a deal that includes parent company betty. Labs karen. what did these words mean that. I'm saying well. I'm still out myself but locker room. Fundamentally is what they call a social audio platform currently focused around sport. So i think the presumption is that at some point. sports are really good opportunity for Live audio because obviously you can build a community around it really easily. But i think the intention is that they would take that technology probably rebranded were for something a bit broader than just sport And launched it out there. probably i. Would i would envision it being sort of like a clubhouse competitor or something similar So it's exciting. I think there's a we're seeing a lot of proliferation of these Of these platforms. I think a lot of them will fail But i think spotify have been pretty aggressive in trying to position itself to to completely dominate the audio marketplace. So this is yet another example of that and I i wouldn't bet against their strategy. They're they're they're they're pretty dominant right now. Who's might be in the nature of things that people look at this kind of thing on clubhouse was the first to really mike ways and think well. Is this going to kill podcast. Is this going to kill radio if there's always a winner but it seems like a completely new space kind of live interactive audio of looking at thinking if i didn't but i mean it's kind of he's kind of new in the sense that it's you know for the internet generation i guess and it can exist alongside always new new. New advances can be in parallel canals. Didn't because of railways. And you know video didn't kill the radio star and all of that spending but i mean i actually have a problem on understanding what this clubhouse thing is. Perhaps you could explain that to me before i can even begin to opine. I mean having read through acres of material. And i. I still don't know what do i do with it. What i get it. Do i have to be doing sports at the same time you got other. What is it yes. You have to be skipping at the same time about announced listener so much on the same page on this. Because i keep getting invites to clubhouse i'm thinking i don't really know what it is. I probably will join it just to see what it is at some point but there's only so many hours in the day to do social media type things and i spent half on twitter. I'm not particularly interested in getting another social media platform but then again if i do sign onto probably become addicted love it but when i saw this locker room thing first of all i thought it was a donald trump podcast. I think the all new things are welcome. Some as current said some will fail some will succeed and those generally deserved to spotify On i don't really use spotify very much but they are able to spot winners on a very very good at that. yeah. I feel like i should. I should say for listen ines benefit so clubhouse as as the one who uses clubhouse play music beat combust lead. It's basically if you think of it as a chat room you think of like a text based chat room but it's that audio and i use it for a couple of different purposes. We have There's a regular drop in discussion for fellow american expats. That happens on a weekly basis that i've participated in it sort of creates this little sense of community. One interesting case study is. I'm i'm also a regular guest on an podcast with podcast is reported by a clubhouse in the only difference to that is that the audience members can be invited in. So if you wanna do q a if your podcast there you can do it by clubhouse there's some facility to get Audience members end to ask questions. So i mean i think it has its limitations but it also has its opportunities but as the presented used to have the control to you to invite those listeners in they start talking over you and then they're on the show you can still shut them down And you can. You can choose. Choose there but i mean it's pretty. It's a pretty open platform. I mean i. I was saying it could be competitive phone in slightly facetiously but actually presented that as kind of why spotify are interested in this space. You know they're obviously looking for radio style links in your daily drive. Those sorts of playlists of prerecorded podcast. And this especially around sport. I mean they brought a sport startup. you can imagine county that it would be a threat to talksport for example if they had a live phone in about the rugby the football. That was happening on spotify analogy. I think it's the key is getting the audience in the first place and we will know when you start something whatever. It is now but how much money you've got behind you. It's not a matter that you get an audience for anything you look. Shall we say some radio startups over the last few years who found incredibly difficult even when they've got a big name behind them to get this mass audience. The the star presenters will actually want to have So i think in the sports area that there are lots of niches within spoiled. The maybe are more difficult to find in other areas and a massive market for sports podcasts. Now i mean i listened say four or five football podcast not only discovered three of them over the pulse three months and they are literally new starts but but it's generally would mouth that makes them popular now it you. Can you have enough words of mouth to make this sort of thing popular. Not sure you're a western fan on me. I am going. I've never asked this question my life. But what is the best west ham pocus. Give them a fast west ham. Podcast is cooled more. Mwr e. bobby for your information only more than just a podcast and it's full fans that i appear on this podcast occasionally but they recorded on a monday night which oversee with a day job so i don't very often They they basically spend two three hours talking about the weeks. West related news and i listened to driving home. And it's just like stinks. Full mates down the pub chat typical that you choose a show that you're on as what we have on this business. It reminds me a little bit of the rush to buy friends reunited. You remember when everybody target excited about some seem to be going to work in the end it. It really came to two very his letting for those who did perceived Chasing after something at the often quite dangerous and can really be very a bad strategy for the original purchaser so i don't know been carried cowardice. Probably the best place to say whether or not she thinks this will work well. Let's foreign finally carrying the reason. Friends reunited didn't really work for it. By the time they were able to do with it because facebook could come along just going to say that. In this case spotify i suppose is the facebook of audio isn't it and facebook is playing catch up to do their own live audio things. Maybe this is the moment that it does get mainstream. Yeah well i mean it is certainly spotify ambition to be the facebook of audio and i think they're you know they're taking a similarly as i say aggressive strategy to facebook did in buying what's happened instagram. They're buying up other things. And i think i think spotify is aware that there will be winners and losers in each of the different areas. They're making their bets in And clearly their intention is to kind of put their money behind what they think is good bed and then used their power to put themselves. They put put that one in the winning position. doesn't mean there isn't robust competition though there is so it'll be really interesting to see what what comes out on top. Okay we'll be talking about podcasting. Sorta of actually. Let's discuss the new cereal production. That's about to drop karen. It's improvement association. Have you heard the trailer. I haven't heard the trailer. But i i know of the topic which i'm super excited about as anyone. The trailer is a trailer. I can tell you. It's quite dull. I i mean it's about election. Fraud isn't it which should be quite exciting. Seems to tap into a lot of the blm chat as well. 'cause there's a component about race in it but i was listening to that kind of two minute trailer. Not the whole story and just thinking Not sure. I want a deep dive with this present on this subject. But maybe i'm telling. Oh well the topic is fascinating. I mean it's a story that i followed really closely from my. You know my political bent but in north carolina. There was a house election Us house election that was very narrowly appeared to be won by the republican candidate until it turned out that the republican candidate had been conspiring With a consultant to the campaign. Who had been running A vote balloting Sort of voter registration outreach. Game had been just taking the votes of of the yup mostly african american people. He'd been working with and just Dishing them effectively or filling them out fraudulently so The that's fascinating about it is. This is the kind of rumor that flies around but it was just bust. Lee proven And there's lots of drama around. It was his was this man's son the candidates son who actually exposed the campaign So it was a it was a really fascinating weird story and resulted in. I think for one of the only times in. Us history a house election being just overturned had to rerun the election because it was it was so clearly So it's it's a fascinating story. I i would be surprised if the serial team can't make anything good out of it but Sorry to hear that the presenters still earning my opinion. I'm just saying a. I guess the expectation so high that one of the blockbuster brands now on ample casting. But i expect to be completely blown away when i press play and just wasn't maybe there's more competition out there these days or i don't know it just didn't it wasn't hitting the mark for me in the way that that very first series of cereal for the moment you press play under sent shivers. Daniel spun you. Can i randomly pitch to you and other podcasts. From the from a related team about west whom is it. It's not about less time. Checkout nice white parents fascinating one From the new york times team. Sorry from the from the this american life team and the serial team Looking at a really interesting story around the new york school system and Just endemic racism in it but also kind of what happens when where white parents show up and exert their influence on schools. It was really fascinating. I learned a lot from it. That i didn't expect we will have more megyn using brief after this incident with me to discuss the media news in brief. I stop some furlough news. News companies across the uk of continued needing financial support the government according to press gazette that includes regional publishers. Jp media ultra midland news as the guardian. Who are the only national newspaper to use the furlough scheme. But aljazeera and tortoise media joined the scheme in january for the first time it now emerges and where the only publisher to reduce their fellow payments. This does all of that say about the health of journalism is quite worrying. Anyway isn't it. I mean if people being furlough to should be jealous you should be working on all the things we need to note the moment. I think that's quite concerning. I think it's concerning that the gardens gone for the furlough scheme. I don't really know what they're what they financial imperative would be there why they would have to do that. It just makes me feel very uncomfortable to be honest. It just doesn't seem right. It's a bit like saying you know nurses wrong fellow isn't it. Well on that in the guardian. I mean they really pride themselves on having this unique business model and having the scott trust you know that. They can invest in journalism. I mean of all titles a question about whether they should be using the fellow schema tool bounds. I don't know how much the scott trust have had squirrelled away but cena. I remember a few years ago. It was to be around the billion pounds so he does slightly sticking your cruel when you hear that. They are asking the tax payer for funding. I think's much smaller regional local newspaper. Publishers are in a bit of a fix and story that the press reported about time out. Now you can understand. Why time would be in difficulty. Because they've got nothing to report on so attending anybody's going to have a problem with with them resorting to furlough money But in the end if people who read the guardian don't like the fact that they've resorted to this. They will start reading. The guardian on the customer in a sense is king. If you disagreed of something you withdraw your customer. Then in the gardner once put more people on phones pushes so because i mean carried. The timeout example is interesting. Isn't it because it has been especially hard for freesheets because their distribution model has gotten people aren't going to cheap stations to pick up their free copies in his says. There's no one advertising events on happening in them And as a result yeah. Timeout media revenue plunged fifty eight percent in the second half of twenty twenty but could that be a bright side that if they just managed to cling on long enough people talking about the post pandemic roaring twenties. I mean timeout. The place to find about it could yeah. I mean obviously timeout. A an absolutely brilliant publication. And i wish them. Well i think it's noteworthy that one of the reasons why they're there. Figures look so so particularly poor is that they'd had a very strong quarter immediately before which suggests that the commercial model was working reasonably. Well you know they had switched They were switching away from kind of relying on the print. Publication towards you know as you say more freesheet distribution and advertiser funded seems to have been working reasonably. Well i think they were in a pretty healthy position so All the more painful for them to have had to go through this but as you say it feels like a situational problem rather than a structural problem for them so i have every hope that You know we would love to see them. Come roaring back there. Obviously a lot of value to to the london zine no the big challenge now think for everybody whether they're a publisher any part of the media is to okay. What is the second half of this year going to look like and how can we maximize our commercial advantage from it. This guy this is another prediction. I get right. I think the economy in the next six months is going to go gangbusters. Another all sorts of dangers in that for the government. They'll be worried about inflation. But i think for all sorts of all commercial organizations if they get the strategy right for the second half twenty twenty one in the first half of twenty twenty two that could be incredibly successful. And also i suppose leads the opportunity to take some of the learnings from the last year. And a half about how you can have the ability to work from higher how it can be cheaper to use the off in a different way and actually make a product might be more popular in generate more money. It costs less tonight absolutely. I think often difficult situations like this do breed innovation and excitement. The other thing. Which i think people don't refer to very often is for north. Lots of people have been huge savings jewelry down a lot of people each awful lot. Save money on that. Have been able to go on cruises. Would it be nice but not that all of the holidays that you don't take that money so there's a lot of people sitting on quite a lot of ready money to go out and have enjoyed so i think might insane. Because if there's always money they're ready to be spent people are gonna want to spend it on things and that will feed into short-term huge boost the economy but on the other hand it could be that everybody's terrified of dying and doesn't do anything but sit on the money. But i think the psychology is going to be more to spend spend spend although ironically. I mean i know. Timeout is a massive global business. Now and they run food. Wholesome and live events and ticketing and all these other things. They've taken huge financial. But actually if you think of them as the original london magazine has been running for fifty plus years actually in the last year and a half they'd have been better off karen wouldn't they sticking with a subscription model. I mean that's the one sector publishing has been reliable as people getting magazine through that door and paying a premium for it. Yeah it might have given him a little bit of a buffer. I think interesting. Because i'm the classic example. I was a subscriber until they basically told me. I couldn't be anymore Because i i love the magazine and had they been able to keep my custom than perhaps mine and people like me. They would have had a little bit more of a of a of a of a blanket. Cover them to protect them through the hard time. So maybe that's maybe that resiliency is something they'll have to be thinking about In the future because this is shirley not going to be the last global crisis that we will endure. I also think the whole nature of subscriptions is very interesting. Because i think a lot of people with all sorts of subscriptions whether it's you know subscribing to being quiroz subscribing to a magazine or whatever have just kept on with them throughout all of this because there's always that hope if normality normalisation this also this the supporting an organization which you really value so the subscription model is is really coal to keeping those finances going but they'd already moved away from that. I totally agree with karen. If the small amount of subscription it would probably wouldn't have gotten through this. This is a massive disaster. Something that's marketing events really. Because there aren't any events trusting as well definition of subscription versus support and we were talking in the last episode of this in the podcasting context about subscribe versus fuller but in media consumption thames. Now as well. I mean. That's what the guardian are asking you to do. Isn't it support. Their journalism is not subscribe to the product. But there's this kind of patriotic world where the audience is prepped. To give money for nothing in return additional to what they can from reading it for free and isn't it funny where criticizing the bbc not looking at the subscription model and it may be that subscription already out of date all right let's talk about elena mills the former sunday times executive editor whose resigned from the society. That is his board. This is the continuing. Fallout from the harry and meghan interview cross-reference episodes past. At least what do you think. The society of editors needs to do to get on top of this narrative is kind of run away. I think they need to modernize anyway this asante Like a lot of things to broadsheet newspapers. The very male dominated that quite a old-fashioned interview i sympathise. Totally with that. Ellen has taken here. She gave them time. They didn't come back. I think she did the right thing. It's not piers morgan hill. You know she was very temperate in the way she dealt with it. She went to them. She said she thought the response was inadequate. She waiting for a response and he didn't come so quite right to. And i think that the idea that somehow you can say well. We're not racist. It's just that's just too simplistic going to. Who's racist and who isn't but it's just too easy to say. Well we're a k. And it's not like that. So i'm one hundred percent behind on her own. This she seems to have been given the assurance that they were going to make a statement climbing down from what had happened. Before essentially acknowledging the of the british media do have a problem with bigotry. And then never made that statement me as if somebody got them in the meantime or whatever but it's not like saying well we were big solar bigots in this group. It's like saying come on. We all need to check out privileged. I know that sounds very woken. Whatever but there are some things about what which are really good and that's one of them. Yeah but it doesn't sound like something editor the getting come out and say no. But just that's why the society of editors exists. Doesn't it because it can be an umbrella organization and they can be under that umbrella without necessarily holding the umbrella. If you take the analogy. I think that the whole thing is just to pumpers and it comes from a very old fashioned sorta standpoint. I don't see any degree proxy. Thinks in being with think i would think that I i'm worried i'm being quite little. What you've said that. Elena mills I mean a friend of mine so that that might have an influence on. I say she's the commission to write long interviews articles for the sunday times magazine. I was delivered double length of words. I should have done. I think that She has an absolute point. Here if you as it doesn't matter whether it's a society of editors whoever in our society nowadays if you haven't as an organization looked he'll self in the mirror. I last year and so are we doing what we ought to be doing. Got a problem and if we have what we going to do about it. I think most organizations of how that conversations those conversations internally certainly various organizations. I'm involved with have an. It's absolutely right to do that now. The society of editors of sort of stamp their feet and said no we have got no problem whatsoever and yet we as the newspaper buying public on a website. Viewing public can see that. Some of them absolutely do now. I don't expect the other to the daily mail to go and television and say yes. We are racist newspaper. I'd actually believed that racist despite the but they have had articles they've written headlines that could lead people to believe that they are now. They are slightly they will say well. Of course we now know that a lot of the interview a lot of the things that meghan markle set that interview have been proved to be factually incorrect so they they can sort of lead on that as much as they like but they still have a problem and they still have something to deal with and they need to deal with it yet. Karen allen mills wanted was for them to come out and make another statement apologizing for the statement they made before. And this is what you do. Isn't it took bronze about beyond and stuff. I mean from from their point of view. Would that not just to add a whole second act to this whole saga which they're embarrassed by and they won't close down doesn't mean the no haven't compensation internally they just might not want her well to be bought of again. Okay so if you're asking for my vice as a pr professional I would point out that they're having the second act right now and they're not in control of it right so they've put eleanor mills in in control of what the next version of the story is going to be whereas with a small amount not even have to be a mayor culpa. It didn't have to be a rendering of the renting of the close. It could have just been a simple look clearly. We've you know we've misstated position. Obviously you know that there's work to be done. A little bit of humility goes a long way And you don't have to say that you think the entire industries rotten from top to bottom. You can just say look like all industries in like people we all have to work on On on a overcoming are inherent bias sees and that is something we take seriously and the way we would like our minority staff members who worked for the for organizations to understand that we hear them and we take that seriously would have been easy to do and it would have solved a problem for them very quickly or one lost. Newsroom news story am. That's that item have warned off come that they risk creating a news desert within the next two years unless action is taken to give great prominence to high quality news outlets in what you make of what. Itn of submitted to have come. I don't really understand what they're asking for. What what do they mean. A gave prominence to high-quality neeson. We all know which outlets they are what they want a little stamp in the corner of the screen or something. Liz you probably. I'm guessing might have more sympathy with this. I won't they won't is what they had before on sky which is prominence. They won't on youtube and facebook denied. That's what i interpreted it to me. how can they. How can that happen. I mean when i go into net flicks i am. I going to see like a ninety s. But i'm within on this. Although i'm very broadly sympathetic tool it. And i think there are often overlooked in the way everyone stampedes to support the bbc a great organization integrate news provider the i. I'm a bit vague about what they actually want. As well and i really did try in this one to be on this. I just might as well let my by show. But i wasn't sure to what it was that they were asking because it's not going to be a news. Desert is going to be that. There's a new smorgasbord of all sorts of crazy news outlets. That's the problem if there's a problem at all it's not letting people aren't going to have news can have ball too much news ultimate choice and be able to go down to the nisha. We could have the whole conspiracy theory news journal so this this lots and lots of difficulties about the proliferation news. But it doesn't a desert is not one of those difficulties and what they want does does Me too but we must remember that they are next us provide and also that in terms of expense that the money is already gone in to making the news of prime source of news so actually reproducing. The news on other channels is not a great expense. I don't quite get. The argument is too expensive for other organizations to carry that news. You can't actually say to all providers of of broadcast material or you've got to have a news button it's got to be. I know i know that that what they're trying to say. But it's not practically enough that the response isn't practical financing Complicated i mean it's just if you've got trending news on your service they're saying the publicly funded stuff should be there. I mean not say isn't it. How would that work. What how would you see. I'm not convinced you already see. It is all over the place you know how to get sky united to get news. You know how to get hurt. So you button karen. Well i think i. I'm not unsympathetic to the to the complications of it but equally i would say it has been a big problem in the in in recent years that As you rightly say this that it's difficult to ascertain which is the quality news outlets which services we can trust. There has been mean edmonds. Trusted has shown that there's been a a system wide reduction entrust across the piece in media as well as in government in in pretty much And so there's this loss of gatekeeper. Function has been a problem in. It is both technically possible. And i would argue probably in the best interest of the providers to find a better way of signaling Which which sources of news can be taken as reliable with some justification in which are not. I think that facebook has done a very poor job of trying to do. Their efforts have been pretty pathetic. So far And i think it also is a problem in terms of if you look at the television landscape in terms of people's changing behaviors. I think If you look at streaming services netflix's cetera. They have a low of in a lot of news on there but actually not consumed in a news like format that what they have is lots of documentaries and so forth so they don't really have anything that we would consider to be a regular news update. So i think it's not unreasonable to say that we should think about this Maybe not maybe audience hasn't handed them a ready-made solution. But i think it's It's something that would be in. The best interest of both. The consumer and i would argue the the regulators themselves to to find a way to make that better. How what would it look like. What would i see when i was gonna get this The public because news element. When i'm doing my depends it would depend on the platform But you know on facebook. It could be as simple as giving more prominence to more trusted outlet which is something that they've tried to do. They've just done a terrible job at it could be as simple as when you're clicking on trending news you are presented with five news stories and one of them is always from says one of these. Ps bays but but this this is a. This is a typical attempt of existing media companies. Trying to stop new entrance coming into the market because they are scared that they will lose market share to these new entrants. You look at the barrows of criticism that is being aimed at gb news before it's even broadcast a single second of news output. Oh it's the british fox news. Well engineer is absolutely adamant. It is not the british news. Well we'll see when it comes on air They the bbc. I itn and to an extent sky all have a vested interest in this in keeping new entrance out of the market. Not going to be successful. They were in international world as well. And i just wonder whether all of his being a bit more media savvy than your average news consumer. I mean if you're talking about someone who let's say is in the twenties and lives in britain and he's presented with a new story from not and a new story from deutsche avella and they're in britain and they don't know which one of those is more trusted. They're both just for news. Outlets know every year old is able to navigate that in the same way that the people who run the likes of youtube simple ofcom should withdraw the lessons from autism simplest down because i it's not a news service. We all know that we know that it's funded by the kremlin. We know that it's completely bias. And i don't understand license right but when his face burqas licenses less material isn't it. I mean that's that's the point i mean because he and you're talking about new entrants to the market and i'm not going to get into you a question about gb news because as you say we haven't seen it yet so we don't know what it's going to look like but a lot of the new entrance to the market on many of these platforms are not actually news providers zoll their militias Proprietors false news under the guise of deliberately working very very hard to make themselves look like credible outlets and consumers are misinformed. And i think it's you know it is a problem and i do think we can just wish it away by saying oh the market will decide because it hasn't and it won't The new entrant many of the new entrance are just not credible sources of information. I suppose the other point bird. Karen is that to take my demographic example. It might not be younger. People don't know that the news at ten is on tv. It might just be willing watch. It is just no interest. And if they don't want watch that's fine with me right but but if if it but it should be prioritized over other outlets which are not doing journalism in any in any meaningful way. If aunty and wants to reach you'll demographic they could easily create a strategy to do so. I'm aware that they actually have done. They don't have a twenty four hour news channel. I don't remember seeing clip after clip going viral on twitter from it. And but i see that. From sky news. I see that from the bbc channel. Four news conan you just well but You could call size opinionated news as well nowadays. Well yeah as pocus argument and talk about cricket. That'd be nice because Bbc local radio has secured the rights to county cricket in england and wales for another four years Do people realize how much coverage there is of cricket in local radio and is it good news for cricket fans in you've told us the listened football cossio cricket as well undo like cricket but i could think of nothing worse than listening to local radio cricket commentary of a county cricket match. I'm thinking the audience must be in the dozens or hundreds for the say. Let's public service broadcasting. But i mean you only have a limited amount of hours to broadcast in a day and the one thing. That isn't in the story how much the bbc of paid to have this privilege on. I think i could probably think of of spending that money especially as it depends on the audience appreciation indexes. Though doesn't it. I mean the audience who are listening. Love it in fantasy in they'll be also factors going on here with lee appreciation and sell on a local sponsorship arrested. I mean it's something which is interest me terribly just my partner a lot. He likes getting likes county cricket and so it does seem a bit arcane. Unless you say. There isn't the bandwidth to have infinite sort of arcane sports on there it depends whether or not using creek is an important way of of life and their full should be reflected by the bbc. I don't see an auto hominid except if it takes time away from things. I would like to listen to what is going to be mostly on long wave and medium wave. I think we're broadcasting. it says. No as if they're depriving exactly exactly it. Is it a problem. It's sort of like. I don't know why we're talking about it. Sorry i don't want to be rude about this wonderful podcast. But it doesn't really wrote my boat. Sorry bro. I don't mind to the people that might be the story. i mean. local radio have been able to get the rights to this because probably there on sending national media plays. They're interested in yarn or the the. There's probably no petition for it but think about how many people you see going to the county cricket match and that will tell you the level of interest i mean this we also the bbc. I think paid a million with sky. Millions of pounds thrice to cover women's football now that may send a signal. It may send a message but how many people are actually really interested in watching women's football to the extent where i go to a match at when i ran. Uk living we did a really nice lining women's football and we got really quite good figures or it was really quite popular. Yeah i think. Women's women's football actually does have a sizable audience. I wouldn't put it in the comparison with With local cricket In the you ask. The women's football team does much better commercially than the men's team. They have far more fans than than any of our men's national team so So yeah big up to the girls there. Maybe you should give chauncey and all this west. Ham's of sounds like a bit too much to me. Why don't you diversify a bit okay. I'm gonna lay my cards on the table. Watching women's football is like watching it at thirty three third rpm pm. Compared to the men's at forty five. I didn't think it's entertaining. I'm sorry not that. I'm really not i'm trying i'm not being sexist about it. Though i know everybody can say i am but i just don't get the same enjoyment out of watching even if it's west ham women playing zoo commensurate. Abc three about that. The that was actually quite interesting. But the spool. it's not it's just. Not the same is the case that in this fragmented media landscape though there are so many narrow nation tress. I'm not saying women's football is necessarily one of those but these county cricket probably is. There are so many of those sorts of interest that they're best gated for by the silos of podcasting and channels discord or whatever than they are on local radio. These days. I mean it is still public money. Being spent on isn't it. Yeah a look that there are so many different outlets now for everything as she say and the listening to laura kuenssberg keva confidential podcast to episode podcast. So doing a deep dive into what's happened and it was quite a times. It was quite funny. Think well this this would never get into radio. Four because of the the format. It was very podcast. You think. well it's great. Podcasts exists for that and they exist are lots of non league football podcast and lots of lots of really needs sports. That none of us would be remotely interested in. But you don't always have to chase the biggest audience. I supposed rural glad the podcast exist which brings us headlong into our final format points. The media focus quiz this week. It is entitled backwoods thinking. I will read you some media news headlines from this week in reverse order. You just have to tell me what the story as best to three. And you buzzing with your name if you know the answer. Sarah lacy will say let's annual say and karen you'll say can history number one. But what's the story bbc leaving after news. Gb to mccoy simon Santa karen I think the story is. Simon mccoy is leaving Bbc news to go to gb knees just a good highlights. What you think. Yeah i do. I like mccoy. And he's he's quite unusual in in these remarks sometimes which we've all seen outtakes. I've known him for a long long time. He's very professional. And i would have thought temperate soda presen- which i wouldn't have expected to find simon on britain's fox. Tv's elder you. Go up plays into ends point about. We ain't seen nothing yet. But i do think he's a good high. The only thing is i say by jeep. Gp's tv that bugs me slightly is. I don't think we've got high profile high profile in a flament so watch this space again. You're mostly close by the comes out. We will know that k. Barely is doing the fisher. Here is a question number two algorithms and misinformation facebook by hit mash daily. Most the story buzzing me. The answer against algorithms anti misinformation facebook by hit mash daily new literally just need to reverse the words and then you've got the story in daily in by algorithm misinformation. Close enough yes. The story is that the daily mash was excluded from facebook's anti misinformation algorithms even though it's satire good and I've lost track now. If he's winning but anyway story number you find bill review strategy media amid delay briefy and televised number number. They would clearly was there in front of afraid number. Ten press briefing room be used for the first time by boris johnson. This week i think allegra stratton is gonna start her daily or three times a week. Briefings on the seventeenth of may six months later than planned. The whole thing's costs two point. Six million it does look a bit kremlin s. Doesn't it in in the color scheme is a bit goldie. Well it also has a blue screen in it. Karen which just seems like a basic fail. Doesn't i don't want to be darned up until the way. I can only assume that they did it on purpose because they have set themselves up perfectly to be me fine. Maybe they theorize that they'd rather era. They'd rather generate a million negative memes and be heard then then go silently into that good night. Who knows i mean as a resident young do you think we need white house style. Briefings i don't think the white house needs white house style briefings actually one of the big the big fascinating things to watch in the biden administration has been how well we all get along in the media landscape without having daily white house bread. I mean the white house press briefings have been very effective but Biden's only done one press conference in. It's kind of been fine you know. I don't think we necessarily need to speak from the podium of the white house. all the time You know put out the information from the subject matter experts. Do we know ole miss. Donald trump's press conferences. Whatever we think of him it will. It was boxoffice. Tv was biden's sorry it was. It was a complete and not as news. Fast i laughing i think a president or prime minister in the modern day needs to do more than one press conference every couple of months ago having set dot com below. Sombor johnson did on. Well exactly. we're going to get allegra stratton. Who at the moment is what's being paid one hundred twenty grand a year. I mean that doesn't seem like the value for money right now. I'll think she'll learn every penny of can i just say something. I think is quite intriguing. 'cause karen talked about going gently into that good night. Which is a quote from dylan thomas. Who is a very famous welsh poet who was probably featured in that documentary on bbc four which an talked about as the tone there was full shock. Bring back donald trump and cancel women's full nonetheless. He has won the quiz in dow congratulations. And thank you to all our guests. Ken robinson leaves halloween. We're all heading off to clubhouse now to have off to debrief we'll be back in two weeks time with more of this sort of thing at do. Follow us on apple. Podcast will specify wherever your podcast that you never miss our briefings. I can only imagine the produces hill and peter price media. Podcast is a rethink audio and ppm. 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Monday 14 June

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Monday 14 June

"You're listening to the globalist first broadcast on the fourteenth of june. Two thousand and twenty one on monocle twenty four the globalist in association with ubs live from. London this is the globalist. I'm nelson and a very warm welcome to today's program coming up. It was all smiles by the seaside but behind closed doors the rhetoric quiz tough at this year's g. Seven summit will look back at the weekend when the first in person meeting of some of the world's most powerful leaders expose some big differences. And we'll also look ahead to when president biden meets vladimir putin this week the bottom line is that i think the best way to deal with this is for to me. He neither have our discussion. I i know you don't doubt that i'll be very straightforward coming up senses step into control. What hong kong watch at the cinema will examine the latest step in cultural crackdown on free speech. Plus how do you report. An ethiopian famine. We'll take the temperature of luxury retail. Selfridge's is put up for sale here in london. That's all ahead on the globalist live from london. I a quick look at what else is happening in today's news. Benjamin netanyahu has lost his twelve year. Hold on power in israel. The country's parliament voted in a new so-called government of change. Algeria has cancelled the accreditation of the french news. Channel france twenty four due to what it claims is karen repeated hostile toward our country and its institutions and swiss voters have rejected proposals. That would have made it. The first european country to ban synthetic pesticides they also rejected a plan for coffee. Levy and a tax on airline tickets. We'll stay Twenty four throughout the day for more on these stories. But i they were trying to put their best foot forward publicly. The queen even asked if they were supposed to look if they were enjoying themselves but behind the scenes at this week's g seven summit in kunwar. The language was bellicose. European leaders urged the uk. Prime minister boris johnson. To keep his word on the brexit deal the european commission president ursula fonda said there was unity across the block that should implement the entire agreement including post brexit trading rules in northern ireland and this to the threat of a trade war. Meanwhile the us president. Joe biden tried to bring the g seven together against china well to go through the events of the weekend and to look ahead to nato meeting later on. Today i'm joined by scott lucas. I professor at the clinton university university college. Dublin and by capri cafaro is a former democratic leader of the ohio state senate and a visiting fellow at a very warm. Welcome to you both good morning. Good morning well. Let's do with the northern ireland in the european issue. I am capri can begin with you. The fact was that. Boris johnson was calling for compromise on all sides over the implementation of northern ireland protocol. And the un's he the eu. I should say simply was not bending right well. I don't think that we should be particularly surprised by this. And i think that some of the strongest rhetoric again unsurprisingly came from french president emmanuel macron. Who essentially said. You know look. There was a deal that was shaped. And i agreed to to implement brexit and the united kingdom needs to hold up their end of the bargain and they. There's there's really no room for for negotiation at this point. And so you know. I think that. Boris johnson is trying to thread a needle given the situation. And of course we can't forget that the the issue of ireland is one that is also playing a part potentially to a bilateral trade agreement between the united states. The united kingdom. It's a sticking point for the by administration and one that is monitoring it very closely as they are very concerned that the things may Inflamed and jeopardize continued strength of the good friday accord that that was agreed to in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight so It's i don't think this this issue is going away anytime soon. And as i said. I think it has implications that we reach wider than the Eu uk risks indeed this northern ireland protocol argument which dominated the headlines. And all all of saturday and enter leaked over a little bit onto sunday. It really did overshadow the g. Seven away that. I suspect many of the leaders did not want to accept. You have to ask yourself with. Boris johnson wanted to scupper his own summit by focusing on this. Let me be clear. I disagree with you. Just a bit emma. Sports johnson wasn't seeking compromise over the weekend. Boris johnson was effectively calling for the scrapping of the northern ireland protocol. Which is there. Remember to prevent our border between northern ireland and the republic of ireland. He was Threatening effectively threatening to break international law by doing so as his foreign secretary dominic robb was being. Let's say economical with the troops. Some would say lying about what a annual macro had said about the relationship between northern ireland and great britain This is part of a pattern of behavior. This wasn't just for the g. Seven this has been going back for months. The uk has is located itself over this issue with the threat to scrap the protocol. It is effectively refusing to negotiate With the european union of the protocol to the extent of calling the eu legally purist in other words is that a bad thing actually lost. And i think and as capri mentioned in the uk is not only itself from europe. It's isolated itself from the united states in the process. And as i said isolated itself in a sense from a world which is when we should be talking about climate change corona virus infrastructure. These global issues. Boris johnson was picking a fight over sausages yet again. It wasn't astonishing weekend. Wasn't it because on the one side. Capri you so these extraordinary images of all the world leaders trying to enjoy a barbecue on the beach with boris johnson. Son wilfred sitting in a nappy at one stage in in front of the see whereas you had this really strong sense of for the first time in years when the leaders are coming together there was really quite bellicose rhetoric rhetoric happening and this was not the great love in that everybody at hoped it would be. I think that any anytime. You're dealing with in a in a diplomatic process when you're dealing with multiple nations multiple world leaders in one place. You're going to have a you know the public face. And then the and then the private reality and i think that's that's what we've seen. I don't think that that's anything new particularly i i also think that we have to be realistic and and understand that well. There are a lot of common challenges that we have as as was just mentioned. Things like corona virus and climate. Change that suga night The g seven nations nations all across the globe regardless of of You know their their circumstances however We're not necessarily seeing that. Unity happened in an equitable manner on other policy issues. Not just things like you trade in the u. But things like how to deal with china and so i think that we even though it seems like now is the time when we have such significant global challenges that should unite our community of nations. There that doesn't mean that there aren't other policy issues where there are contrast. Let's move onto these other issues that were dealt dealt with at the g seven firstly scott the worst this issue that you know america's america's back leading the world's that that's been joe biden depicting the gathering break with the trump era when european diplomats said that. Everyone's incredibly happy that the us is back but american leadership means. They will want something back from us in return with respect how am i. I think the mistake here is the framing. And part being encouraged by americans that america leads the world. America's certainly part of the world is certainly one of the most powerful countries in the world economically militarily culturally and it's great to have the adults back in the room but at the same time the idea that you look to joe biden as a savior in a way. Let's other people off the hook. Which is well. we're just simply going to follow. We're not gonna take action themselves. As capri noted there will be differences over the way forward in terms of preceding. Let me just give you a couple You have this question of providing corona virus vaccines and. We only took a small step this weekend. Eight hundred and seven million seventy million vaccines when the. Who says she needed eleven billion. Do you transfer technology. D wave patents to speed up the process when it comes to china. The g seven communique was was did not actually deal without issue fully what the americans have said in their own statements. We want strategic competition with china We really want to go one on reno not one. On one democracies socrates rhetoric the g seven on the other hand including countries like germany. Say what will call out. Human rights issues such as xinjiang in hong kong. But we really don't wanna get into like an all out economic showdown with the chinese to simply say leads and we follow you. Don't come to grips with those issues again. In a global sense as opposed to the old you know cold war framework of the us as the leader of the free world versus the bad guys. Let's got raises. The point desert there are accusations of the g. Seven simply did not go far enough this weekend. The new initiative build back better for the world didn't have any clear idea funding or what it would entail. Oxfam has been absolutely eviscerating and it took in its accusations that the The the one in the number of Covert vaccines the g. Seven was going to commit to wasn't even what it describes a drop in the bucket. The greenhouse gas emissions targets were low too low as well Capri is there a sense. Actually that you know what what people actually believe really happened at the g. Seven wasn't what. I think they can hope to achieve. That's very possible. I think there's a few things happening here. I think that maybe that the the whole concept that quote unquote america has backed that the fact that there is a return to some level of pre trump administration normal seen when it comes to the interface between the united states and other nations in this manner created. I think maybe a sigh of relief of that eclipsed the the true nature of the outcome of the g seven. I think the other thing though is that. There's really in these kind of meetings. All all it really is happening is outlining a framework because you take a look it. For example the conversation surrounding the global minimum corporate tax write that. That's a lofty goal. And one that even win agreed to in concept by members of the g. seven and their respective leaders. It still has to go back to each individual nation and their political structure their legislative process so in the same thing goes for things like greenhouse gas emissions and and allocations of funding to be able to put forth the vaccine and it also comes on the backdrop of the fact that here in the united kingdom. There's an entire conversation about the reduction of foreign aid from the uk government to the rest of the world so it's not just about with the statements that are made at the g seven. And maybe that's why we're seeing maybe not the individual nations not over promising because there is maybe a recognition and rightfully so that this is where the process begins not ends and once you go through the political process that legislative process in your respective nations. A whole lot of other things can happen at we're not dealing with the political will domestically in each country. Scott let's move ahead to this week. Now we have joe biden on his way to nato. Then we'll to. What happens on wednesday in geneva with president putin of russia looking at nato what is it that joe biden is is going to bring to the table with nato which which is arguably so saying at the moment that needs to almost reinvent itself in the face of global jane dangers. He's meeting one for starters isn't he. Yes he is. I mean first of all. Emma generally going to be hailing the idea. Look we're back on establishing a colin line. I mean he succeeds. A man named donald trump advisers who at some points called nato obsolete at other points effectively just said over and over again. You need to pay us money. Now you've got a president who has been in washington for more than forty years has operated internationally alongside many of these allies so that in itself will be an advance just as it was an advanced actually. Have the americans in the room at the g seven at behaving themselves but when you talk about specific issues like capri said that's when the rubber hits the road you've mentioned turkey for example The the us turkish relationship has a number of issues in play which range from the question of what's happening in the middle east round syria which happened which The question of president obama wants crackdown inside turkey With violations of human rights to questions of whether the turks look east as it were for their future or back to the us europe. I think at this point however that you'll see the torch wanting to be on the good side of the biden administration. I think that will happen. We'll see what happens in practice. I think the issues that are of concern immediately to nato is what follows next. You're about to talk to about the biden putin summit and you will want to see a common nato line against what has been a very assertive some would say aggressive some would say illegal russian Actions over the past few years including during the trump years you know. Use of nerve agent in other countries like the uk as well as inside their borders The annexation of the cry of crimea and the attempt to split ukraine and aggressive military postures for example in countries like syria Biden's line and he will have nato beside him on this. Let's get back to the rules of the game. And then more. Broadly the question that lies behind beyond nato is of course what you do vis-a-vis this question china. That's not nato sphere of responsibility. But how much does despite news. The nato meeting to push this line on china when you got individual countries of course the european countries Who he'll want alongside him as he tried to push this all these beijing capri. Let's talk about later this week when vladimir putin and and Joe biden meet in geneva. Joe biden has already said the bottom line is the best way forward for me here and i to meet. I will be very straightforward with him. Scott has just mentioned that he will be taking nato with him as well figuratively speaking. But what is it that joe biden will actually achieve with meeting putin other than to lay out. What he believes is is. The is the way forward in terms of the way that the game is played. Not what is involved in the game. You can't necessarily achieve anything if you're not negotiating with or having a discussion with You a an individual that you can trust. And i think that there's probably a pretty strong sense of agreement amongst most of the global community that putin is not necessarily someone that in negotiates in good faith and and definitely is approaching things from a rutter first perspective. I think there are two things that joe biden is trying to do One is i think again like everything that we've seen creed reset both domestically and internationally About how the united states interfaces with russia after four years of what some may describe as a cozier relationship between the previous president donald trump and vladimir putin which frankly continues to this day you know look at the nbc interview that labor report did talking essentially about how donald trump was a very the as smart as a man and and those sort of things even up to now donald trump issuing statements of praise well to putin even though he's no longer in office so because the this has been such a focus in the united states and around the world joe biden has to go in there and essentially say that the united states means business. He's going to have to bring up. You know all the whole host of matters from election interference and cybersecurity to There was just a. I think show of horseferry. Very purposefully for a pretty significant naval exercise in the pacific just happened on the heels of right as the two leaders are meeting. The you know the russians are obviously trying to flex their military muscle in the pacific. I think to send a message to To the united states that they're not to be messed with so. I think that it's nothing is going to be accomplished. But i think that each party will have an opportunity to have a reset state bear. They're clear objectives their their views on each other's nations. And maybe and this is something that was brought up in a journal article actually from the georgetown university Security studies pure review journal. That it might be an opportunity to establish or or continue to have some kind of a meaningful line of communication between the nato militaries and the russian military because it's one of the only only lines of communication that are left and it could help establish some kind of roadmap to ensure that there isn't any inadvertent accidents or mistakes made when it comes to things like military exercises the close to european nations. So there there's this is going to be a very serious discussion. And i'm certainly looking forward to see how it goes. Capri cafaro and scott lucas. Thank you both for joining us on monocle. Twenty four you're listening to the globalist. It's never been more important to stay focused on. The bigger picture and monaco has been doing that since twenty seven. If you're missing your favorite haunts or the chance to travel to new ones then subscribe to monaco today and will deliver the best discoveries and exciting fines straight to you. 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Fujimori has asked for more than two hundred thousand ballots to be annulled without proving evidence of fraud on the talia. Revere pariah is a professor of latin. American history at the university of kent. And she's a regular voice here monocle twenty four. Welcome back natalia. Good to have you with us so we now have what more than ninety nine percent of the vote but still no winner. well we have A very sore loser who doesn't want to accept that that situation is irreversible and is trying every legal challenge possible even though there is no jurisprudence that backs the possibility of having these boats annulled. So tell us where we are then as it stand well. There is a narrative that has been built on the far right in peru and elite sectors. That are very against the possibility of having someone like better come to power and the narrative is that fraud has been committed a large scale but there is no proof and all the situation is a very good decision is very clear in terms of the last movie but unless they accept the result in there is some movement towards that and there's an official proclamation that will take a little longer. We won't really have an official winner We have this issue though that there is a the fact. is that cage. Keiko fujimori is is very narrowly trailing the left-wing pedrick steal. Her refusal to concede has led to the ideas has led to quite a lot of tension within peru. So what is atmosphere like there. At the moment is people are waiting for yet. Another result in a very bumpy political story. Well she really has held the country hostage all the time since she lost very narrowly to kaczynski in two thousand sixteen. It seems that she will lose pretty much by the same amount of votes as last time. Somewhere around forty thousand fifty thousand votes which is not that much but she still comes up as a loser and last time round she created such instability through her congressional power or her political parties congressional power. That kitchen ski wasn't was impeached. We've had four presidents in better part of two years and a very unstable situation but now she also managed to rally large part partnered important part of the business elite and the most wealthy in peru. That are fearful some that they will. Their country will be turned to communism but others just simply to racism that someone from the andes will be the next president italia revere parade. Thank you so much joining us on monocle. Twenty full you listening to the globalist one. Nine hundred investment analysts from one hundred different countries over nine hundred of the sharp moins and freshest thinkers in the world of finance today. Find out how we can help you contact us at. Ubs dot com When pictures emerged from the famine in ethiopia in one thousand nine hundred eighty four. They galvanized the world as tension. Michael burks bbc. Report of a biblical famine was transmitted by four hundred and twenty-five television stations worldwide. Even broadcast on a major. Us news channel. Without re voicing books original english commentary what followed then made history itself with celebrity fundraising and in july nineteen eighty five live aid well per faces a fresh crisis today with the conflict in the north of the country preventing aid agencies from reaching communities who are slowly starving. But how should they be reported today. Well suzanne franks is a professor of journalism at city university of london under former bbc senior producer and she is also the author of the book reporting disasters famine politics and the media. I'm delighted to say. She joins us good morning season. Good morning now. You have written a book. haven't you wish. Explains that the way that the famine was reported the first time around is not completely straightforward. There are suggestions that it was inaccurate and misleading and as a result sets a very difficult tone. Yes yes i think The the reporting of salmon is is a lot more complicated than people might might i fest ray laws You know the way we the way we understand the famine famine in the way that the media reports it so tennis where people are getting it. Wrong where michael beck got it wrong with. The the whole system goes wrong in one thousand nine hundred four and what problems it throws up now. Well firstly i think the whole point is that famine is not an event and that news very much likes to report. Things as event says as happenings farm is very very long lasting slow-burning process. And that the way that the feminist news often likes report famine is that you know here's a sub event he we've just discovered something This is this is a revelation An an fm and can take sometimes up to two years. Ready to to actually emerge said. So that's the first thing and also and this this way said of understanding that osaman is kind of caused only by by a natural disaster famine again was reported in nineteen eighty-four was very much that you know. The droughts had come rains at file that be a natural disaster and therefore we have family and famine is nothing like that families is a actually a social and political process and it's very much a manmade disaster. A lack of food is lack of availability. Of food is not actually. You know. there's always food in the world. It's just the matter of political prices not allowing food to get to the right people and this current firm and is very much of the manmade kind. Isn't it absolutely you know it. It came as a result of political process and there was no no famine. You know a couple of years back in and this part of the world. But i think what's quite interesting now is there is a rather more sophisticated understanding of famine. And you do see reports. Now that this is this has been caused by by citing and by by the actions of Of of government and and drop governments in the area but tennis a little bit more about that. The the idea that we are now in a different age for pictures can be brought up much more easily and the narrative can be Can develop much quickly given the fact that we have so much more access to to communications and did in one thousand nine hundred four. Does that offer a more accurate sense of reporting. It doesn't always an in many places where you we. We still have an accurate idea of what's going on. And for example there are lots large parts of tigray by mobile phones at signals have have been deliberately off and say you know the kind of access that that might be possible has deliberately being being prevented by By those his in who's interested it doesn't take to have too much news about the area. But yes i mean overall I think we do have a better new mo- more nuanced understanding of some pots. The well as knows everywhere and the obviously we can. We can have the the kind of sometimes more access more more pictures and more reporting but it doesn't necessarily lead to better outcomes. It is a difficult situation. Isn't it because when you see an image of famine which can only really be filmed. What's a certain. Point of catastrophe has been reached that then galvanizes a reaction from the rest of the world be sore in in the in the mid nineteen eighties. Isn't that what should be being done right now. Today when when ethiopia is clearly saying this is a domestic affair. Stay away yes. I mean an interesting. That's so lots of parallels with with the nineteen eighties when the The autocratic leader then mengistu said he absolutely didn't want any foreign interference. He didn't want foreign reporting. This is purely a local fat. We should keep out yes. The is the large element of that now and when president biden called called for intervention. I think last week You know he. He could've very nasty brush off by the by the ethiopian authorities. so yes. I think the This idea that you that you see pictures. And then that's supposed to galvanize action which which in itself as as i think you just said is is a very sort of unfortunate and cynical ploy because why do we have to wait till we see the sort of you know the traffic picture of the starving baby Be much better. If the whole process of salmon was was anticipated by reporting and then by the action Said said that problem but then then there is also very much the political Response which is that says The local it's not just ethiopian. Government the retrying government amid take ryan rebels They really want once is to debate and if they do they very much. Want to control the agenda season. Franks thank you so much for joining us on monocle. Twenty four a quick look now at what else. We're keeping an eye on today. Benjamin netanyahu has lost his twelve year. Hold on power in israel. The country's parliament voted in a new so-called government of change which was approved with the majority of just one the right wing. Nationalist tully bennett has been sworn in as prime minister saying he will unite the nation. Voters have rejected proposals. That would have made it. The first european country to ban synthetic pesticides they also rejected a plan for a car fuel. Levy and a tax on airline tickets both moves that were designed to help the country meet its targets under the paris climate agreement. It's led to doubts over switzerland's commitment to fighting climate change. Algeria has cancelled the accreditation of the french news. Channel france twenty four to what. It claims is clear and repeated hostility towards our country and its institutions. The government says it was unhappy over the channel's coverage of protest marches of the long-running harak anti-government movement. France twenty four says they cover algerian news transparently independently and honestly and the us president. Joe biden said that. Britain's queen elizabeth asked him about china's shooting pink and russia's vladimir putin during t at windsor castle. He also said the ninety five year old monarch reminded him of his mother because of her generosity. Those are the headlines. the cinema has now become. The latest part of hong kongers lives to be subject to censorship by the authorities. In mainland china sensors in the city will now be allowed to vet films for what they call any act or activity which may amount to an offence endangering national security. Well let's hear from isabel. Hilton editor of china dialogue and regular voice on monocle. Twenty four and a very good morning to you. Very glad you're with us we were talking about are we are talking about now. about the cinema becoming the latest part of hong kongers lives to be subject to censorship. Tell us what the plans are please. Yes while the city government has announced that the distribution of films that are deemed to undermine national security will no longer be allowed and of course the national security law is an extremely vague law So that means that any films that are deemed to be insufficiently patriotic are at risk and this is a very serious concern in hong kong since punk cinema is has global reach and in fact was it one point you know the third after hollywood and and bollywood hongkong came came third and it contributes about five percents of hong kong's economy. I think the initial target Is is likely to be documentary The protests the eighteen months of protests were copiously documented by hong kong's younger generation. And the have already been several documentaries about the protests and they of course challenge the narratives that the government is trying to create that these were protests civil a few violent Insurrectionists aided by ill-intention foreigners so contradicting that narrative i think is also now a national security events. What are we going to see happen. Then we're going to see Films just not arrive not be distributed. Bits cut out. What's going to look like I think it's Certainly in terms of distribution will simply see films Band that phil incoming films to hong kong but of course hong kong zone film industries the prime target. And we've already seen documentaries pulled at the last minute when they were accused of being in breach of the legislation of the national security law even before this censorship directive came down. There was one called inside the red brick wall which daca is a documentary about the very fierce clashes at polytechnic university of identity. Remember but there were a couple of sieges of universities where where students protesters at treated to the campus hoping to to enjoy immunity on the campus. From what was then fairly well established pattern of police brutality. But they in fact they were. They were violently dislodged in the the documentary inside. The of bread brick wall was used be shown in march but was pulled when it was accused in a pro beijing newspaper of glorifying the protesters anything that shows police. Brutality or shows mass pro mass peaceful protest is likely to be regarded as an to anti-government sentiments and the government is is also censoring museums. It's rewriting the educational Curriculum to include patriotic education something which was resisted from thousand thirteen. That was one of the things that that that kicked off this long running protest movement in hong kong. And it's very much of as you think of the gentleman square protests in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine if they mentioned at all in china. Now there are described that characterized as a small number of unpatriotic subversive acting on behalf of wicked foreigners. When as we know it were several months of mass protests again very peaceful involving all sectors of chinese society so rewriting this narrative involves suppressing any countenance and. I'm afraid that's what we'll see isabel hilton. Thank you so much for joining us on monocle. Twenty four you're listening to the globalist. Have you got your hands on our system. Magazine contact yet. Well you might also be interested in conflict corner. a podcast. Accompaniment hosted by means sophie growth with jillian tobias macho palikhe between london and zurich during us each month the stores travel fashion and craft and drinking and dining across europe and beyond subscribe at contact magazine dot com or wherever. You download your podcast. Let's continue the globalist with today's newspapers. Journey down the line this agendas. Ruth michelson hillary's tavee. Good morning let us begin with the departure of be netanyahu an astonishing scenes yesterday in israel. Absolutely benjamin. Netanyahu finally voted out after twelve years in power So we're seeing some coverage for example Left-wing new site which has been running a live blog that has pretty much every every little blow by blow including Some details about the conversation between new prime minister enough tally bennett and us. President joe biden They apparently some agreement on iran policy for example and then a little detail from Or it's Correspondent no orlando Who mentioned that in biden statements but not bennett's off the call They mentioned working together for peace prosperity and security for israelis and palestinians. We have opinion and coverage as divided as the new coalition itself in it seems absolutely so for example to go over to the right wing. Jerusalem post That more coverage of you know obviously the new government But then also Interesting divergence over Descriptions of what happened during the vote so for example on the jerusalem post sites They mentioned that Bennett netanyahu shook hands shortly after the vote. Which means that bennett now Prime minister Bennett sat in netanyahu's chair in the knesset. But when bennett caused by netanyahu's new chair following his swearing-in netanyahu declined to take his hand again in the same Incident is described by a p associated press But they also go into much more detail about netanyahu glowering and ceasing silently during the vote And then turning around shaking minutes hand and then they say a dejected dejected. Netanyahu wearing a black medical mosque briefly sat in the opposition leaders chair before walking out. Is there a sense that this was all about the end of benjamin netanyahu yesterday or a new beginning for israel which is clearly what. The new prime minister. Enough tani baton. Charlie bennett will be hoping for absolutely i mean. I think that a lot of the coverage has focused on the fact that this is a very fragile coalition. It contains quite Quite a diverse range of different political figures hauled right left-wing some members of an arab islamist party of the first time. And so there's quite a challenge for them to really make this a new beginning by staying power We're seeing that In some of the coverage. But also you know plenty of profiles of netanyahu and what this moment means. Even though he's going into a position there's no guarantee or a lot of the coverage including in the new york times points out that his reign has officially ended yesterday at least for the time being. Let us onto Iran set to hold elections. This friday hardline elements are expected to succeed but it is a very very difficult and very finely balanced make-up over there isn't it that's true. I mean lots of focus in the coverage about The fact that the of the seven candidates that are running five are considered to be more conservative. And the this kind of you know. Considering that six hundred people started out wanting to run in this election. And now we're down to seven That this is producing a sutton Kind of apathy among the population says quite an interesting piece in on monitor that looked at An iranian polling organization. This is the wrong students. Polling agency Who said over thousand five hundred people and said that the voter turnout is likely to be around. Just thirty eight percent. Which is actually the lowest turnout ever in the history of iran. I'm what is it that just led to this grinding down the electric so that they don't want to take part given the fact that they have been subject to so much uncertainty and to a great deal of hardship not least because of sanctions that arguably would say will the first go new vote that makes sense but at the same time. It's people have to feel that they have real choice. And so that is you know we see this again in some of the coverage So in this piece and l. monitor mentioning that Essentially because the iranian ruling establishment in their words decided to make the race a one-sided competition among candidates handpicked by the guardian council That people don't feel that they're able to vote to produce real change next story please. Algeria had legislative elections over the weekend again an enormous amount of Despondency when it comes to engaging in the electoral process was very low. Turnout here as well. Yes i'm starting to sense a pattern. Yes this is Some coverage from algeria unfortunately again not great news The essentially as you say there were legislative elections the washington post has some great Coverage from the ground which is quite rare. In algeria ning quotes from people including people that have been involved in the long long-running protest movement The here Saying that you know. Algerian stood believed too much in this election. This is according to analysts. They see the parliament is useless. And that this produced massive apathy and very low turnout but at the same time we're seeing coverage that the algierian authorities despite the fact that this election wasn't necessarily going to be hugely consequential staging quite a crackdown before and after the election so including removing the license for fronts twenty four to operate and arresting lodge permanent. Jen listen activists michelson and thank you so much for joining us own monocle twenty four. You're listening to the globalist. Seven forty four here in london. It is a one place in london where you can arguably by anything from dazzling design address to a new soul for your shoe. The department saw shell selfridge's occupies a prominent place on london's oxford street and also in british retail and now the shop itself is up for sale. Let's hear now from the retail expert and brand consultant and regular voice here monocle. Twenty rebecca take morning rebecca. Hi thanks for having me very good to have you. Could you just tell us what is happening with. Selfridge's why's it up for sale. And and who owns it for starters and he wants to buy it yes so this is actually a bit of a surprise. So selfridge's is owned by a canadian. Family essentially the western family so they actually own quite a few different sorts of groupings. But the selfridge's they also own brown thomas in dublin There's also a selfridge's store in manchester in birmingham and then the own. Various other brands similar in other countries so the own winning in canada called renfrew the own one netherlands And then they also have a completely different arm of the business that does Food and food sort of retail as well. So that's the western family and they sort of basically just received an unsolicited offer to buy the business. Just selfridge's on friday and some people say that this has happened in the past but for some reason this is kind of blown up. It's a big year for selfridge's obviously last year has not been easy for anybody. But the patriarch of the family so the founder of the whole retail and retail empire W galen weston passed away earlier this year so that might be one of the reasons why this has become quite big news But they've actually appointed credit suisse sort of advise on whether the value of the offer is is legitimate. Or what kind of next steps. They should be taking. So this is an is. Come out of the blue with this as a result of selfridge's saying to people if people want to buy we're going to listen you know the all. The reports are saying that it was unsolicited. It's not clear who's made the offer as well. What has come out is that it's an offer of four billion pounds which is a lot of money and reports are saying two billion of that would be for the property and then from there it kind of splits so some people are saying that you know it's It would be sort of a real estate sort of deal. Where in the same vein as what's happened in the us were similar department. Stores have really struggled. it's kind of a we. It's kind of a way for people to get into the real estate market. They would maybe take the stores and they would break them up or they would turn them into more of a real estate business whereas others are saying that. Actually this is a real opportunity to buy selfridge's when it's a little bit cheaper than it might be more You know different economic times and it might be a way to kind of choir. Essentially a jewel in the crown of a different type of business so for example harrods is owned by a qatari family. Harvey nichols is also owned by a foreign hong kong businessman and the liberty sold a few years ago to a private equity group and all three of those businesses have retained. What they are. They're still the department stores that we know and love them for. Some people are saying that actually this would be an opportunity to buy selfridge's and keep it running the way it is Basically have it owned by somebody else. As opposed to the west indies indeed. Did the people who you've just described as being the new owners of the likes of liberty and harrods. They range widely. What person do you think might be interested or what body might be interested in buying selfridge's given the fact that we don't know exactly what might be. Yeah you know. I tend to sort of agree more with the sort of theory that it would be seen as a jewel in the crown. I think selfridge's has done an amazing job of staying relevant in digital times. There's still a ton of opportunity for selfridge's you know. They're dot com business businesses tiny compared to the amount of business that they draw in normal years traffic through footfall. So i think there's still a lot of opportunity to kind of increase their market share if you will in the kind of luxury retail environment so i think it could be in the same vein. Some someone like a like a very wealthy for in other holding group or equity group or potentially if royal family from overseas somewhere. It's hard to say where these buyers come from. Because they do tend to sort of prop up out of the woodwork. And you sort of least expecting it or you don't really know who they are I tend to sort of. Yeah think that it's going to go more that to go. That route use mentioned that selfridge's might have a slightly lower price tag at the moment given what's happened in the last year Obviously the pandemic didn't help anybody but the one thing that really has been felt on the highstreet especially in oxford street is the international shoppers. Upon whom selfridge's relies so much on upon for its income. They are simply not here at the moment. I think it's almost half of oxford streets. Income comes from foreign foreign shoppers. Who just haven't been able to come here. And what does this sort of potential change in ownership at selfridges say about what people are thinking about or the long-term prospects for the high street and the luxury history luxury retailers in particular. I think that depends on sort of if you take the view of it being kind of kept as is as selfridge's as we know it or see more kind of as a real estate business so if you see it sort of as a retail business as the brand selfridge's than it actually indicates that there's quite a lot of confidence that things could bounce back you know if the idea is that you wanna keep selfridge's intact and the story itself will come back then that's definitely a sign. It's a sign of confidence that people believe that things will return and at the same time. There's still a lot of potential. As i said an online and in the other stores so there are some reports that Various points during lockdown in the uk last year that the manchester for was busier than ever before because they had different lockdown rules than london. The ben if you see it more as a real estate business. I indicate obviously the highest we as we know. It has been changing for quite some time. And it would be seen more as kind of way to break up that break-up that beautiful building and use it for something different I think the example is Macy's in the us which has a huge store in herald square where now part of the building has been used for macy's as we know it the brand the business And then they've used the rest of it as kind of leverage to sell off various other stores that they have across. The country took about new york. It has seen such huge changes in the department store model in the last five or six years. Are they working. As perhaps is a forerunner to what's happening everywhere else and selfridge's could be next potentially but i think the landscape in the us is very different as well I think there are comparisons that can be drawn but at the same time. There's always been so many more department stores in the us that are kind of operating at the same level. So selfridge's has a unique proposition that it's very luxurious. And at the same time does have the kind of concession model. You can go in there and you can thinks from the top shop concession for example but then you can also buy chanel handbag and that does happen in the us department stores as well but to a lesser degree. And i think the stores that are really struggled in the us or the ones like macy's jc penney for example And neiman marcus. I think the biggest one is well that has really struggled rebecca tape. Thank you so much for joining us. You're listening to monocle. Twenty four the globalist continues in a moment. Ups is a global financial services firm with over one hundred fifty years of heritage built on the unique dedication of all people. We bring fresh thinking and prospected while why we know that it takes a marriage of intelligence and heart to create lasting value for all clients. 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All from a new channel which is all supposed to optimism and good news and and things like that my micro probably get down semi right for that. But but i'd say that should be easy. But i think more difficult pitches guessing the tone rights and certainly This channel has made it clear. He's not going to be a sort of a british version of fox news. It says it's not going to be but subsequently seemed to point in that direction. Because i won't be any kind of news. Reports as such this will just be discussion. Discussion discussion Fitting very much into a narrative which led to brexit here in the united kingdom a few years ago. Yeah i think that's the idea. The idea that the bbc and the mainstream media is There are often known special people. Gb news so we're blindsided by brexit that they missed the signs but It's john mckendry. The programs the channels director has made it clear that it will be off calm regulated. 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Mortal Kombat - Jax on Jax off

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"Who it's another week in reference household. Oem starting off with. I guess me you'll see from the title and if you do follow us on the social which we strongly encourage you know that we doubled down mortal combat law rider team so i am going to guess what. Ot's favorite is one thousand. Nine hundred five annihilation nineteen ninety seven twenty twenty scorpion revenge and the most recent 2021 mortal combat three two one nine. Oh that's called a double plug scorpion. Special friends lovers. Let's get on with the show round. One friends in love is welcome back to the four year. Reference concert jihadists katie. Put on your hat for dramatic face reveal and yell such as you check notes escape into porto zero. You'll find as we enter the outward with the to hold films who who who friends lovers welcome welcome welcome we love and appreciate you so much if you have just united escaped from that doc. Dan broom of yours. Playing mortal combat. And you've discovered the foyer reference podcast coming on jupiter's cook it is the final level in the final boss in your story mode friends and love us This is also a time to say spoiler spoiler spoiler or fatality fatality fatality You have listened to allow jonathan wiggin episodes as well as bad boys as well as rush hour and also ot's chucky episode We watch a lot of the films and we cover it in this review episode we will get to the two thousand twenty one version later on In this review episodes. I don't worry too much if you haven't watched it And i guess we do have a lot more fun things to say about the first three as well. All right let me just generally Go over some details and stats obviously. There's a comprehensive Sort of cost as well as people that have been involved but let me just captured. He so we have mortal combat the film for al learned joystick lovers. These characters from video games created by ed byrne as well as john tobias and you'll also see their involvement or the uninvolved -ment During the particular film so the nineteen ninety. Five version came out in august director. Paul w s anderson Who will see in Laid rations was very involved in resident evil for reasons why the quality declines in annihilation specifically we also have kevon journey as the writer. It had a budget of eighteen million dollars and a whole world wide. Gross of one hundred and twenty two point one nine five million dollars slow. Yeah that's a lot of adm. dan house right there Top billing for the cost. Christopher lambert robin shoe as well as linden ashby mortal kombat annihilation. Came out in november of nineteen ninety-seven directed. john kennedy. Right is brent. V friedman brass cobble and small. We have a budget of thirty million dollars and a coiled hide underwhelming of fifty one point three million dollars and i think we say that You know in franchises with like bad boys or even rush hour because of the success they get a bigger budget and then it makes it even more devastating when the towns are yeah. It wasn't a it wasn't a k- know boomerang. It didn't come back we have scorpions. Revenge that came out last year in april of two thousand and twenty director. Ethan's boating and rider. Jeremy adams top billing cost jennifer cop. Joel mchale not also bit disappointed. It's his voice's more distinctive than the cost of invincible. So i thought you would have been able to recognize him and ike amadi in regards to the most recent film that was released in april of twenty twenty. One mortal combat. We have served time feature film director. Simon mccoy d- I think he directed a short previously To this film. We have right as greg russo. As well as dave callaghan. The budget is estimated at ninety. Five million dollars us some titanic budget and a whole worldwide grosser fall of nineteen point. Four million dollars Toppling costs lewis tan. Jessica mcnamee as well as josh lawson wasn't nice and i guess that's just the peppering Friends lavas but again. If you do follow us on our socials you'll know at least for me in particular You know mortal combat as become my personality for the past few weeks and have it be for that reason We will get to that bullet. Stay in the camp. Be happiness For a little hoyle longer Let's go for first impressions as we talk through the films so we can leave. Twenty twenty one in case people having listened to it yet. Let's start off with the official nine hundred ninety five mortal kombat film so inr gaza phys impressions. I would love to not. You've mentioned that you've watched this many times. You played the game many times as a kid. Had it feel rewatching in the lead up to the two thousand twenty one film. It felt great. Great just watching characters that you loved playing as a kid and he had this company feeling like i. It made me feel enjoy of this. Stodgy feeling that it all all world. We can have a good welcome movie. The just as always to how great the game was for a lot of us growing up and a loved it. I loved every bit of it. Oh absolutely and you know we talk a lot about dimension but these characters a literal characters. Right johnny cage's fucking annoying but he's also self absorbed and that's what he is as a character right. You have come loud. That is very very serious. Kung lao is my favorite. And i'm very disappointed that we didn't see him in a lot. Really just the most recent film and you have guile in streetfighter like yeah we can talk about dimension if we wanted to but when it comes to video games you want them to be completely different yet. That wouldn't motherfucker in ticket right They even had obey like you want video games to be fun. You get the most ridiculous sort of characters whether be mortal kombat street fighter tekken because you wanna have fun you want to sit around with your cousins and your mates and you wanna bash each others heads through the screen but then it turned into a real life bashing of each other right and yeah. I absolutely agree here. Fully thoroughly enjoyed it re watching it. It was just one of those moments where you sort of forget because it was in the back of my mind especially after watching the most recent one ui we saw been playing. More combi lavenham playstation. Little memories back but just watching the not five version man. oh absolutely. This was a first time. What's for me I tried to play mortal combat when my older brothers weren't around i wasn't necessarily officially allowed to play mortal combat But this was the time. I wish to ninety ninety five vision and who who i fucking loved it Like you said there's so much campinas to it. But i love that was campinas because there is a dynamic within mortal kombat specifically way. You obviously have the kerr to it. Vogue volga goal but also at the same time. You have the goofiness in the comic relief as well right. I do believe that. There is a very Delicate balance in regards to mortal combat. I pay the gratuitous gore and vogue innis of it all. but you've also got that not necessarily campinas but you have that reprieve that comic relief And that sorta goofiness. That's channel mostly through johnny cage in this nineteen ninety five film and i was absolutely here for it. It was fine the way the beat will drop in. You have the shouting of the mortal combat. I liked that it continued throughout the whole film. I can see why People talk about the cg because it's fucking atrocious. Like i get that and you know. Titanic was around the same time but also a obviously didn't have the same budget but also it doesn't bother me like it doesn't bother me. The cg's bad the cg's bad like Reference the first harry potter when he's on top of the troll But also for the same time if the cg was good that doesn't impress me either. And i guess that's where we'll come to the twenty twenty one version. So i guess from that point of view. It wasn't a barrier for me not to enjoy the nineteen ninety five film. I absolutely loved it. I think the jails are bad. Luck think heels. Fine. it's great it delivered. What he wanted like lord people next to me. It just brought back memories and seeing people like sub zero scorpion dana moves. We got a lot of get over here scorpion. Which was amazing. It was also very accessible. 'cause play because you know in in the twenty s now you have to have the actual costume from the inspiration right but back then you just get yourself to blue quantum put it would be allowing cloth and you find right All but i. I absolutely love this film. It also spots my love affair with raden Which i think will be quite interesting as we go into characters. I want you to mention for each of the characters that we go through. Which one was your favorite of the four films that we're covering today so let's let's dive into it. Let's talk about law. Raden i now You know when. I was watching lord of the rings. I got bothered with gandalf because he is the omniscient right. He so powerful but he fucking disappeared whenever anything was important. It's like when you play kingdom hots and doubt donald and goofy with disappeasr. I'm with the yeah absolutely so i now appreciate gandalf. Note being around because he will turn into rate in all of these films where he's always around. He's very powerful. Any doesn't fucking do anything but granted unlike unlike gondal rated is restricted for interfering from the tournament. So he says it's like i would love to help you move how skies. I'm just so busy right now. When your kids stop it from choosing rating because of just so it was just too powerful. Applying was cheap for anyone trying to use them. It's not fair. His move list super simple and it just botched the faucet like really really badly but he's super overpowered We don't get to see him because he's guard much or at least he doesn't interfere so it's up now. We saw him. Well yeah what is dramatic walking down the way with his hat reveal in terms of him fighting or doing anything like that. I think it's not until militia gets some combat with shell. The this movie while rate is just one of those characters where you're like you know his there by khandu march to help mend yet accept it because the law says up. I don't accept acknowledge him as my one and only rate and who's your favorite rate and across all of the films are we hit. Christopher lambert in the nineteen ninety-five we had james. Raymond an isolation. We have dave mitchell in scorpions. Revenge and tattenham louisana in the two thousand twenty. One who's your favorite rate and to dave from copious revenge because he acted more luxury than i remember. Yeah yeah okay. I absolutely agree Yeah let's continue onto the characters 'cause and was fucking useless He wasn't useless. that's what made him useless. I think was the point arguably at least for the first nine hundred ninety. five film. lukin was the nolan protagonist. Played by robin shoe. How did you feel about his character. I'll all lovely. He is yeah him as a character but in the nineteen ninety five film. How did you feel about him. Really good job. I think is such an artist is such as lack. A lot of the moves came off like quite jenin. Lucky to get shots of either bid. Sonia guitar fighting and his looks a bit underwhelming waffly. There's a reason why they brought him back in relation. He will i to me. It had a chance to come back. He was just nice. And we'll give you the option. Go to hard luke. How to come back because i think he did a really good job i think he was the early real opportunity for emotional resonance in the nineteen ninety-five film Not not to say that it went beyond the surface but if there was any sort of emotion to be injected in this film. It would've been loo kings character with his brother. The have the iconic. Your soul is mine gift. That goes around. Finally i understand a reference but as we know i referenced. Friends without ever having to watch a writer t- Who would be your favorite king and on a leash elite guy. But he didn't really get much to do in in annihilation. Wheels have jordan rodriguez in scorpions. Revenge as well as ludi lin A which i believe. he's an up and comer and will continue to be on our screens in the two thousand. Twenty one vision. Yeah the scorpion. Revenge louis can just rubbed me in a weird way. I guess that's how he looks in. Scorpions is which kind of year accurate. Like if he's not the head of the stories kind of that whiny kit on the side. Yeah absolutely I yeah. I think i think nine hundred five king is my favorite. If we're doing any drafting right now. Nineteen ninety-five is winning so far bonking all the points. Oh absolutely But yeah he. He's got that nobleness about him. And i think it played very well in the nineteen ninety five version because you had the characters being very distinct so you could. You could imagine how they would play off each other. So he didn't come off as so fractious. Because you had the balancing flavors of johnny cage's willa sonya blade right Let's move onto. Johnny cage played by linden ashby. And then we have chris conrad and annihilation. Joe maceio In scorpions avenge. And i don't believe he's in the twenty twenty one vision. No tease of the end of the twenty two and then So how did you feel about the nineteen ninety five. John cage thing care for him because i felt like the story revolved rightly sore on lee. Hang and wanted it to be that so any other character. They always just a bonus ball. If i had to pick a favorite it would be and skopje's revenge. I think that was the best portrayal of johnny cage today. Yeah absolutely and we love. Joe mchale with his. Hi buck crap. Yeah i find in almost all of these films that we've watched. There's always a transfer of one particular character baying the comic relief and unfortunately when you're going with bailey dimension comic relief means one liners and johnny cage. Was that in one thousand nine hundred five like i could have done without him I didn't even find it. Satisfying funny when. He fell with his For design of luggage off the boat when they first get to the island i just. I didn't careful johnny cage. But then i also knew that was the sort of character that he was as well what i did like about it though was at least he could fight so at least he gets. Some sort of credence is somewhere right. Yeah true speaking about credence is. Let's talk about shang song. Play by who you gonna. We have archive footage and annihilation butler in scope and chin-han in the two thousand twenty one version. How did you feel about shang song in the ninety nine vision i feel accused defeated a bit too easily. Oh absolutely a regardless of lee can being you know one of the best of luck. He brings a lot more to the table. And that's why he's the rajon mansion shao kahn. You know he wouldn't speak some some jingling idiot and that's all i thank you sort of portrayed as in this that we know his powers from the game play at not coming into this movie fresh with know everything about these characters to some extent some are some are going well for my perspective and that's why it's called for your reference mate and and to me as like i expected more from him not to be defeated. I easily but we did get some moments was calling for. Because when i was watching this i was thinking all men. Are we going to get to see. Louis can do some of the stuff that we know he can do. Now we go those moments. I'll wait to easily baugh shagman. He's his just his batas he. He's supposed to be bad ass where told he's bad as point you to one of the final scenes in the nineteen ninety five film way talks about capturing a thousand souls and there were like five the focus on bringing me out be like. Where is everyone else supposed to be. This like impressive grandiose smackdown of it all five people pulling out of nowhere just because they're in different costumes doesn't mean that equals a thousand soldiers fights and i guess it's also because we're being driven from liu king angle. We're fighting for him right. That seems pretty consistent with the law across all of the films the same way we have you know sub zero and scorpion. The lowering being quite consistent across the films It's lou king is the one that has to have the standoff with shanksville. I liked how dramatically shanklin was in this one like every line was overacted but it worked for model cobb movie. Yeah i'm going to see a brooding superman from us. Oxide got you know. Give me fucking gay. But i also at the same time to the team loved him so much that they made him younger supposed to obviously being older character. I don't even know if it was explicitly mentioned but shang song. According to the ot curriculum mythology he has won nine tournaments right So that would goner a lot of strength. Which kind of on does luke kings victory as well not particularly because we see this is locked the major sort of thing that a lot of pretty much all the mortal kombat movies put the exit. Ou shall kind has won nine tournaments and it's up to the war is not like the law and moral combat so bloody rich. Because there's so many fucking want at want us to just move away from that you know. This is the first you can do good on you on your like three movies. And and that's still the the stake come now. We can do better interesting. I'll leave that for my twenty twenty one. But who's your favorite song from the full films. Easy not five shanksville. It was brilliant. I agree. I feel like we know where this is going to finish. Nine hundred ninety five and then just have the're barking in the background for the rest of the episode was pretty coherent to me. Let's talk about sonya blade I will say it off the cuff right now. This nine hundred ninety five. Sonya blade is my absolute favorite one. You know we talk a lot about just female lead. But you know female characters at a prominent In stories very obviously we haven't covered wonder woman. Either of the films on main podcast. But we do have it on our patriot on I don't have a lot of female tax You know we talk about taxes. A lot on the podcast. Just because i say a female character doesn't mean i'm automatically going to like them right and unfortunately in recent years was saying look. I'm strong women. I do everything by myself right which may be true but in that case just give me make from family guy like i would prefer that one dimensional. 'cause it's not preaching to me. Yeah but in any case. I really liked this on your blade. I don't really want any other sonya blade because it did become pouting your chest out Walking around and it's also credited the team and also pull Because apparently it is possible to have a hohmann on a screen and zoom in on our us nor reason although the covers just did that automatically is do that to my ass. But that's on you know we'll get to annihilation but that was part of the problems. I had with annihilation. He add more women in them. But then you sexualize the most like jimmy. Meg again for family. I don't need that Sonya i don't think she has the most compelling gripping sort of story compared to the rest of the characters but specifically in regards to nineteen ninety five. I fucking love to great. She only had like one fight compared to everyone else that had an average of two or three johnny cage definitely for more than sonia did. But that's absolutely fine. But i enjoyed having her as a character without being that annoying female character whether it's because men vert her all because she needed to be sexualizing. Whatever reason right. That's a fight. Bigger than the mortal combat pay. But generally i love to. I don't think i can out anything. That is a because you don't like what female characters that. What school luckier. Definitely the non genetic five washington was the best picture and sounds like sonya picked less than reptile in your house Let's move on to another strong woman. Caetano how quickly did you fall in. Love with louis k well well apparently according to interviews and according to my learned. Imdb research robin sure was saying that there was a romantic storyline in the nineteen ninety-five vision but they decided to cut it for more actions aids. Okay it walk. Felt out of no fill out of the blue and it annoyed me thousand nine hundred seven that they had a love story. I have to be consistent criticism. Because usually like i'm like ooh this very love stories. Don't fucking mead it and then when it's cut up i shouldn't complain well. Someone just falls in love instantly with them so you know i'm gonna buck my horse and say they did. It perfectly gave me whiplash. Well kid tana is more than her potential entanglement with lou king. I wouldn't say so in the nineteen ninety five. She's not my favorite. But you know we get to see aspects of others just beyond ogling overly she has. She's also looking to take down shot cayenne. She wants to win the tournament. And there's a lot of depth to law in that regard. You know more. So than i think i prefer storyline more than sonya's so to me. She was one of timeouts in the movie. Yeah it gets has definitely got the more laid sort of backstories. I definitely agree. It's the no competition between her and sonya in regards to back story But i don't feel like that was realizing the nine thousand nine hundred vision she. She was like a carbon copy of raden. She has walked around whispering things to look king. Leaving you so me and my pussy valley. Oh yeah you didn't see the katie director. Scott no ricky tana would be the ninety five one. This is where i do. Not choose nine ninety-five five I choose scorpions revenge katana. Let's move onto qena in one thousand nine hundred ninety five. There wasn't really much to him. Really not really. But i think he's that sort of character and we'll come to the other fields. Que knows like creed from the office. You don't fucking need him in every same. Yeah you don't make us beautiful of creed just like you. Don't make us enough off. Kaneohe omega him them in garage. Well make me mistaken. 'cause i thought that's what i watched. Today let's move on this little by scorpion and sub zero in one thousand nine hundred five. They really didn't get a lot of prominence. I would say which. I was very confused though because this is the first time i watched the film. And even though i'm not a die. Hard mortal kombat fan. I say more combat. Mk like ot plastic. Fam- mike. I always so mortal combat as those two so it was interesting that the film didn't really focus on them even the fact that johnny cage killed one of them. Yeah we didn't get too much of them. Because i think the focus was more we can bought what we get with sub zero and scorpions rivalry as unprecedented like. It's it's so bloody rich and we get to see that as revenge which was just done so perfectly. We didn't get a lot of them. But i think my feeling would be the setting them up for To be a non. Elation i guess so and i go back to your comment. I definitely agree. Scorpion and sub zero. Like naruto and saskia like the main headlining show. They're the ones you go for. Just like not with on southgate will be shouting. His name scurry subzero skopje. Skopje and and repeat five hundred episodes any other general thoughts in regards to the nineteen ninety five film bagels made for the fans the combat and it lived up at least for me to everything. That m dutiful. Yeah i think it was a nice way of trying to balance it. Even though per the studios they did wanna make it. Pg thirteen hundred teenagers. Who go and watch it. I do love My volga but also at the same time. I did enjoy this particularly. I have a couple of notes that i made while watching this. Johnny cage looks less like an action thaw and more a man with a mortgage that brussels sprouts sandwiches and also the fighting saints. Kind of felt like they were playing. Patty cake like there was no sense of danger. Like you punch me. I punch you. We tumbled together all right. Let's get into annihilation. I speak on behalf of as i always speak on behalf of both of us. I would say this is not the best. Yeah it definitely is. And i think a lot of the budget went and what we got was them. Clinging onto dream of a sequel and just wild execution was not that great but they did bring other aspects of mortal combat. I was really excited for even forgotten about all that and exactly yelling in this episode. The now shield episode sophist level. I think a lot of the things that they did in this introduction of molina we get to see night twelve of of finding me like a young outages cheer you can really being happy and seeing characters it was present day or two. You were chairing has looked like he. Just forget a lot of these things and on scream just makes the keep inside. Jesus jump up in joy and if that doesn't work for you at all you saw was body facts and a shady storyline than know fair enough. Do you think looking prescribes to the theory of holding his sperm to keep his power. What did he get that idea from. We watch the same film did we. Not when he was getting tempted in the desert by the sex lead tana. Would you want to go do cheating on qatada. May well those catanha's lips this is still virtuous if you've gotta kiss in there or not. He's like some arm be singer in the nineties and to adidi we see the introduction of molina and barranco. Let's spend some time they baraka cost. You was something similar to jackson's as well like you know with barack it's like why would he randomly be wearing my shirt like the budget. I think it's like 'cause the cg obviously is a different technology. I give it graces but surely you can sit on the make up chair for a little bit longer. Like i understood like i didn't even watch it thinking that i've been focusing on the anything to me. It was looking at all the aspects that they didn't get to do in the nineteen ninety five version while we get to see a lot of main characters moves and signature moves and stop. I was there for it. This is the first homer so qatada with her sole right. Yeah with the blades. And then we got to see Subzero during his proper subzero staff Yeah i'm here for this just won't of it'll start of it. And the pure enjoyment of seeing how purely execute it was but it was still enjoyable but it was still not very not good speaking of very not good. I did mention a nineteen ninety-five. How johnny cage kind of became the one line of comic relief in this film annihilation. Jack's yeoman jacks what do they do. I feel like you're saying jacksonville. Speaking on behalf of something you know what all the black characters in mortal kombat may. And he's just so purely executed in all versions. That is the consistent theme that we have some low. Watch the ninety nine five like wiz jacks. and then we learn in the knowledge. And we're like jackson but the bulk supposed to be he was just f. one liners. Oh absolutely i just didn't understand. Yeah i get it. You know a lot of the times as kids. I think jackson one of the most chosen character to well in mogambo. I'm just for us guys. Yeah because we frame of reference and and just to see him being like some auxiliary while line machine the just is there to be some sort of ammonium comedic relief because he didn't do any of our while. the shock. me shock me. I have the bechtel test We have two women on And then not talking about a man. I'm creating a jacksonville test. A character unscreened that kant. Not say something. Every time they appear. That was jack's he couldn't just be on this great and not fucking stays on day but added to literally nothing. Yeah def jam comedy mate. What you do it when it was talking about his arms and it was like. I wish i had this back in highschool like that jerking off jerk. Who is you know. It was yeah. He was just not needed but again it just transferred from character to character depending on the film and unfortunately it was jiaxi. I think he was the weakest link in this. He was my least favorite Maybe cost all films. Costco very annoying. Very annoying i give you that. I'm also scorpion. Was very interesting in this film. 'cause i cannot imagine scorpion as a character yelling sucker as he goes into a portal. Those fun we had to pause for a second goes. What like that. did that really happen. That's more of a thing scholley. Maybe so while he got to say scorpion. Light it up a bit. are we here for it. You'll yeah Speaking of not being effort already kind of mentioned that when was around nineteen ninety-five. I didn't care for this particular on your blade And also the other women in this as well but then it wasn't as bad as when we had a cut to sonya in the nineteen ninety five vision and her hair is fully blown out sexting and she's wearing a whole different outfit. Zita out here. Yeah as i took the time to like get addressed and blower out a hair and everything. I think dot com. Yeah so they kind of just like took that an enlarged the pixels into an isolation apparently furry offered Do any of your favorite characters in the nineteen ninety-seven vision. I thought this was the bottom of the barrel but we we need to continue and maybe my mind will change but this. Yeah this is definitely bad boys for life equivalent. Let's move onto scorpions revenge. How did you feel generally because for me personally. This is the best. Out of all of the films it was able to traverse gratuitous volga goal as well as funny goofy huma. Definitely more gory I think that's one of the aspects that was really you know. Oh let's see. Let's see a more version of model combat starated. Yes star rated. And i enjoyed the tone of it. I think the focus on scorpion and sub zero is really really good. Absolutely yeah we got to see a lot of the law that got explored and wow it felt the most mortal combat Agreed agreed and because you know we we have marvel. And even though i'm not a marvel gal pal You know what you're getting into those films and the success of the films is that they lean into the marvel brand right so i really liked the way that they Traverse that in scorpions revenge because again the foundations of mortal kombat scorpion and sub. Zero's rivalry and get to see on t. You know yeah. We got to see guanxi references to sheet all and those a lot of setting up thinking. Wow if they did a sequel to this it will be amazing and obviously you can't really compare this to the other two but the stakes were high out. There was more tension building in this particular film. And i. it's not to say that you can only achieve it with animation. But i think once we enter the realm of animation. There is more possibility of how to be able to convey particular themes and also how far you can go. I really. I really liked to x-ray You know gut punching and the the building and all of all of that sort of islands because it really was on brand right but you'll also have playful moments with sonya. Blade is like. She's finish beating someone up and she's blowing a kiss so you'll still acknowledging the game sort of origins of it but it's also a very compelling story as well on one hundred percent on grade and i think one of the better things that david this has got to care about the characters you know. We've got to care about scorpion. And we got to see an aspect of you. Know what drove him. And what made him who he was. It was john wick level emotional resonance. I would say 'cause you wanted him to succeed and you know even when he's talking to shang zone like he had no choice but to believe him if there was any ounce of being able to bring his family back. of course he will do that. What i don't understand was consciously like what benefit did he have aside from being a mustache toiling villain. Why would he even say that. He impersonated subzero. Zero hotted one. He thought the scorpion. Just would give up in those call to any was telling his kid. Scorpions will end up. Spotty I just made sense. You know she was going to be enlighten me of the law scorpion and sub zero. They immortal scorpion is sub zero. Well like is it. Nurture knowledge like does everyone around the street corner. That scorpion is immortal. Wouldn't have known that. But we know that when scorpion does kill subzero leto. On in the law subzero goes into like the fifth level whatever and he becomes nukes. And there's a lot of things that could explore in the movie. That just made me excited for it. I i don't know what happened is a nerd in the verb. What happened to my man. Did he go. Okay thank you for more than i asked for tea as you do. All right Well i guess that's enough for scorpions. Revenge but i will say it is my favorite film of the ones that we are covering today like we mentioned. Johnny cage is the best johnny cage in this particular film. One of the best courts was way he was calling right now. mulan And another court in this film. That i really enjoyed was when sonia was trying to aegon. Canukus ain't come down here. I'll give you hugging like you'll do a better job in jack's because a lot point jackson avenue. Yes thanks you exposition eighty. I also didn't appreciate that. King was king shaming ball crushing. You know you get your ball. Crushing you can the ultimate edge lord lucane. I also love this film going. Listen to how passionate cries and prince of egypt episode. I dislike scoping attitude towards god. Damn y'all god. Also shot out to kevin michael richardson. Who is a maverick in. The voice acting weld who plays baraka. Scorpions rindge the wanting that automate and the latest little combo is we get to see how fucking useless rate in is no. I knew that from nine to nine. Five may no acquire a lot of shit that the gods and the elder gods don't do for him to just immediately after copying. Samis fucking down shit. If you that yeah because he was fucking aware if he showed up that he waited let alone. See how this goes. Maybe that was the prophecy. He had to scorpion in the family. Die for the prophecy to be fulfilled. Prophecies yeah which we've established my love for pure storage. Ira perspective and you wanna paint this guy as a god looking after a the get another god afterall masaka every god's men wiping out a whole clan whole blood line then you hear the baby piss off the only thing that would have made the two thousand twenty one version Salvageable will be orlando joined because any time there a gold fucking up. I wanna see orlando jones. A non ram. If you're nasty. Okay so give us your general thoughts in the Panorama space time continuum It is red and the world is kind of opening up again to watch films in cinema. It's also good to know that. Good jira versus kong kind of revived the cinema industry and it wasn't tenet. I don't know if mortal combat will do the same thing it might might not have the same lasting impression so just generally tell us how you feel because if our friends and lovers this deep into the episode i feel like they'll love and respect our opinion thirty goes. I went into this cold. I'd i didn't want to hear any reviews. I just wanted to enjoy model combat. For what i neu- was as merely given that that using current technologies are expected the cg to be bloody great and the delivered enough ront bought after watching the movie they asking myself. I'll all of wise. Why did they have to introduce a new character. Who takes out. Some one of the most classic possibly have mortal combat quite easily. Why like it understand unloaded decisions and why was needed because we have such a vast majority of characters and stories that we could have focused on and it hard to be the same one that we've been watching for the past few years oth- author has lost done bottles about studying what we need champions to you know. Win it for arthritis. So they could be taken back to zero for shahrukh khan and you know for all the bad things that we said about annihilation. We got to see xiaokang do something. Yeah it's like they're teasing us with thousands without having to get thousands without us. Having to get dockside we know xiaokang walking batas the big bad right and before she awkward after she. It's just there's so much we don't need a mighty joy on or whatever his call. Joe passer namias home with his wall wonky powers. That takes up goro in two seconds. I'm not for that. I just went for it i think. And then they tease us. And the teasers louis. Kahn conlow sonia. Jacks the all to fight together to beat subzero. Yeah yeah actually. Yeah all we need is my joy. I don't appear from somewhere and do it by himself. I didn't care for and you know what i did. Get emotional watching the start of the two thousand twenty one film but that was you know residual emotion that i had from scorpions revenge because they had set again that jonathan weakened sin revenge emotion so well so when we had the opening scene was very compelling right the opening saying but everything fell the fuck apo- and what i don't understand is why they even needed an introduction of a new character being scorpions son because he's not even he's not even aware of what's going on so it's not like he's carrying on the revenge going on it makes no sense i didn't calf for it and i guess what's also more offensive to mind self is that unlike nineteen ninety. There was a lot of budget around this. There was a technology available so the fact that they weren't able to do anything that would resonate to fan like yourself or just someone that appreciates good story like mine. Self it becomes more aggravating. Because you had all the resources in front of you and you fail to deliver ninety minute. Five dozen deliver in the way that many people would want but it's still a self-contained encompassing sort of film right. This felt so much. Like you know when you're watching like the last three episodes of a tv show or the season and you know nothing's going to happen. Nothing big is going to happen because they're gonna carry it onto the next season. That's how this felt right. And the other day. I think after he was a nineteen ninety five and i was like oh imagine if video games with treated the same as comic books in regards to the film industry. I take the fuck back. Don't do this again. It was bothersome. It was tie them in this. Pamela anderson paninis A lot of movies are being shot in australia right now. Tyco whitey going missing. So i referenced station. They currently doing love and thunder right now. A part of me felt like the australian government said for you to feel in adelaide. We need to have have a more prominent role and he speaks overtime. He passed the jacksonville test. Very like to me. Quesnel wasn't even the main issue. I felt like he was an issue. He wasn't even on issue to possibly. I think a lot of his walk. It s i was like yeah whatever it will sort of expected you know. He was super heavy accent. And all the leaned into a lot of that which i could see to me comes to the authenticity of what what combat is all right. Why is the story of parental ostrom. Lost nine and then they'll have a bloody tournament. it's also home showing send underground. We'd nets ordinance waiting for the tournament. And then they just kept fucking fighting and that's that was part of it was annoying about an isolation there was no actual tournament and there was no tournament in this either because this was like waited for so long proper tournament. Yeah and then nothing. They delivered nothing in that regard. We have this random bottles. Everyone brawls don't really mean much and then the goals of shopping sent you how block. He's not even scared of reading other off to me. He just felt like the nov man. The now can i ask you another question Even though the nerd has left the room the mocking that they talk about in this film. I don't think that was spoken about in any of the other films where they and if so is that pot the game as well though we see that we saw mark in the nine seventy five version kept on disappearing and telling drawer and flying away That's what that was. Yeah okay. Yeah so i thought it was that Dragon phoenix in the live action. Mulan instead of enjoying getting out of the movie feeling satisfied. I just felt like those. I missed opportunity and them teasing us with johnny cage at the end of just piss off. I don't trust you enough to deliver it properly. The next time round and i think when when everything looked so slick and the so much time money and attention put into it. It actually makes the blemishes stand out a lot more. I'm glad that there. There's there's more of a diverse qassem a lot of asian prominent successful well loved Asian talent in the film but everyone felt one dimensional. And i know we're talking about a video game but we've just exemplified through scorpions revenge and even one thousand nine hundred five and dare i say myself. Nine hundred ninety seven annihilation chosen degree. We did have some semblances of characters on the screen beyond soundbites right. And what really bothers me about this film. Like you said there was a lot of fila because the cannon aw scorpion and sub zero and that was what made the trailer so amazing because you see the fight and you see the blood sword. I was looking for spruce swords but unfortunately add to spruce myself. No qualm majorly as with additional. Coal asks what. I'm saying fila. We don't need him. He'll ninja ostrich like you have louis He is by far one of the toughest guide. Welcome back but he did show that he was strong in the two thousand twenty one. I'll give them that. He compared to sonya and jax and k. No he was the stronger out of that group he was like. Yeah we cognitive. It's bureau our own by this guy. Just a out of doane does it now man. Who's just mosterd his own power of his seconds ago and look. I has been doing it for how long he's prepared is all live for this. They had two big coal up. I guess i needed was admitted. I don't even get the point of his character because it's not like they introduce someone that like is kind of a teenagers. So they can grow with the franchise. I don't understand why we couldn't just have a scorpion. Through the whole fill slots coppens died or anything is that but you know what i mean. I can't wasn't in level In regards to the presence in the film glazing over kaneohe cano is very annoying and for the amount of time that he's on the film he does deserve to he. My umbrage is in regards to casinos character. Umbrage is because i didn't feel those particularly setting. The tone of a film is very important. And unfortunately what that meant in this film they put all the vulgar language on qena like it was like he was in queens. Because he kept saying. And it's like there is a way to balance volga. You know sort of elements because you have the fight scenes. That are very gory. Cool thumbs up in your office but like they needed to have the osorio rating that to feeling the boys for example but it just turned out like invincible does the second time i've come for invincible today. But it's like it's cool. You know i love some. I love spicy way to speak especially if it includes fox and swearing right so. That's not even the problem that i have with. It's like everyone is a sensible sort of person with a sense of honor and integrity. And then you just have this bum fuck from nowhere saying fuck. Fuck fuck where's where's the balance in regards to that. It's like you're cooking something. And you just oversaw one particular vegetable. That's what happened. Wow yeah. I do not feel that strongly over him because he was on the screen so much. How did a you know like he's gained while not really care much about him. It's like if you had zen giffen streetfighter being on the screen for eighty percent of the time it wasn't even like it wasn't even mind blowing. It wasn't even a shocking gasp when he betrayed them like what was that even for because it wasn't surprising so what was the point of that. Yeah i get that. I appreciate that. And it just goes to show because sonya defeats him quite easily even before. Sonia gets apollo's so i'm not sure what the ranking is in this new model taking us through and what par levels people have and what their abilities off because they just do stuff that we don't know about i'm going to update are linked to entertain in addition to being intimacy consultants. We will also services for being referenced consultants because men like us. Read the script and watch a film before you release that man. Well the better job with jiaxi albeit not lodge more. Didn't you like how the power of friendship gave him. Those jack dumbs not sure what more you could do it jack spot. At least they didn't make him into the malaysian version. Yeah i'm okay friends. Alive is we do rate everything we covered for the in december. I don't give me a number. But which do you think is better annihilation or mortal combat twenty at least. I chuckled a lot in on our top one. It's a coin. Toss for me like either all neither. Oh yeah. I definitely agree as well. Is there anything else. You wanna say about The twenty twenty vision mortal combat is reach in low There's a lot of stories to tell different points. It can choose from and let's be adventurous and let's be brave decisions. I love that that was such a heartfelt plea. Unfortunately the expanding of video game universes may You know roll forward but definitely on going to be the depth solve and like i acknowledged the success of model. I definitely acknowledge a successful model. Even though those out my soul to movies they they've hit the sweet spot in regards to what audiences expect and what they deliver and how they can stretch that right. We talk about Ragnarok being the perfect marriage between the marvel 'isms and the teicher 'isms right. I if we'll ever get to a point where video game films will be able to achieve that you bottle kambas because it has the capability It does it really does compared to take in austria fighter. It's just above. And beyond for me. In all i really didn't get into taken as a kid i stuck to my roots. And there's a reason why there's so many mortal kombat movies in like one taken. Oh hey come evil gene. How it's true it's true it is true. It still hurts. Are friends lovers. Thank you so much for joining us. If you're feeling disappointed will that's fuck in life and that's how we feel covering We're also certified cuenca's and we've talked about that on the vodkas in australia. We do have lounge experiences that we got some cute little nibbles. We ordered a bottle of wine. And even that didn't save the film is the point right. Let's finish off in a segment. We call for your friends. Are i will reference the video games. Go play wow go play to tell the story. Well you get a lot of background knowledge. And you get to fight in tournaments and kung lao in mortal combat eleven is my favorite. Daddy allow I will reference the bad boys franchise because even though it overstated welcome. It's still enjoyable. If you'd like to see us overstay our focus on twitter and instagram for your f- blood email. Hello for podcast caller. We're still on podcast. If you like to leave arabian and we'll see you guys next week.

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I'm gonna get like a little frame and i'm gonna all the stickers like in a closet but you can't see us dope yeah nicole by another four hundred dollar frame from hobby lobby. I can't wait. Where are my stickers in while they sent them. But i like your reef in the background. That's kind of but thank you. Oh you just don't know this. I'm a guy. Know where the stickers are but i have mall somewhere. It's it's a nice collection. I was a. I was a fan. You want nola fun. Fact actually surprised me. The biggest bestselling merged collection ever actually but it will be out the dream team. Og shirt it underperformed but that's neither here nor there Okay so the most popular item. Let me guess gordon. I'm going to guess it's the one we were standing in. It's spooky shadow. That's actually like the most. That's actually the least ordered salon. Like the most. Yeah i thought that was great and then so just goes to show goes to show. Most the most is the is. The is the watermelon with the bone in it. Know what with the saas on the back that is is that one. That's actually the second least exaggerated. I thought the white and that one. I might like these are deficit favorite. Yeah i was like these are all overprint. One is that the that one is third most popular all along. The most iffy on fourth most popular was the sweatshirt. i like surgery and most popular was the lineup. Everyone liked that one. Okay so the the lineup where it was like you in the frightening kinda like like that. That was most popular like put in perspective Nine times as much as that shadow shirt really. So that's the that's the convention that we're gonna see like your among this stuff is by the shadow three years from now be used to love watching you guys your mangas. We did do those. were hilarious. We still playing among us. man. I'm actually going to do like a update on the channel. Let's talk among us as well. Just there's some stuff axe people been asking and then like because a lot of the things like among us. Obviously slowly people lost interest one. I started posting less but also because our original group everyone's kind of stopped playing like swale e like two people laughed and ignored. And then like i'm tired of this person gone and then people like who are these new people. We hate new people. So there's all thing i want to go into. His was like what happened with the channel and being like a essentially like a little Kind of nitro boost or like a boost but like it was almost like a little experiment. Because i've never up until destiny one way back when i start maternal. I've never uploaded one game that long. Like continuously really. I mean it was like it was like three days back to back. I'm talking like just that. Contact was among us among us among us among us a deemed robbed today. Because i looked at it. So in september with that. Boom we gained the channel four hundred thousand subscribers which is more than we've gotten in the past year and a half and all through november. We got two thousand subscribers. Just shows how crazy just that's how hot and cold it can be because a lot of people in the us that are really popular still just rising but it's because they have kept the original group. Yeah they just have that like same ten people that just had that same time. Same place same. Everything and i don't. I don't blame her group or anything. I mean totally either. I mean especially like with our group especially so chaotic that like two games sometimes can feel like not you know like and for some people they're like on like burnt-out but that's because like when i would play it was only the session. We record which would be like once a week for a couple of hours but other people were like all day with different groups make sense. They're kind of like getting tired of this but to finish out the us. So then there's all the stickers so guess who sold number one you yes guess old second. Most i would guess blue dork knob blue really. Oh yeah i knew by a significant margin. I think his sticker is probably one of the cool designs. I think it's a combination of sticker and in among us people like who he is as characters. Because i'll get back. It's like don't even bring back just like we're dork. People just love. The omega wildcard pure chaotic and then actually tied at the very end. Was you ambu. Oh no it's not. I'm not really actually tied. Let's go blue and then we own. I won't lose the rest. Cousins could be people. Think this popularity contest. I do think some of it was also just designs. Like for sure like i do just overall dorks is really cool. Yay darnold's my favorite other designs. And then it would probably go blue then mind than yours. I actually my favorite to shark house my favorite anyway. Then shark. Yes so that was the collection. That's how those did dope collection by the way. Thank you But again underperformed a little bit. So i kind of felt bad and to be well pandemic and it's also my fault like really set during september. Yeah like who knows. Yeah and you're also competing against data zone. But if 'cause i waited while originally we hit two million so fast i was like it might merge and i was like because then we were like two point three or whatever and i was like dude. We're on our way to three million would really just like just halted the brakes. I was like well. What are those car crash tests. Were just a cargo and fifty miles an hour and then walk like november work on getting og crew back. Maybe back together for among us. We'll try we'll see the mods and stuff like proximity seems really. I feel like those kinds of that kind of stuff can change it up a little bit to where it'll be more fun and stuff and then you could be like the old group is back and then like six point. Eight million. Easy back bay. Oh shoot up and it just be like. Hey youtube you commented all my video. Just put it at number one for a day. It's like people were talking about me for once for like that. September finally get noticed by bigger people yellow and then and then known ever mentioned megan. We'll make some some groups fall through. That would've been suber to be fair. Jeeva easy listeners. Will know like i said i hate like makes me anxious just to try and reach out. I'll have you know after that. I tried especially like especially to group and like a deception kinda game. Where like you don't know the people at all. It's it's a lot different than like saying. Let's call of duty together on for me. It's a nightmare because like let's say it was a three player game and i'm joining some. I don't know his friend still gonna be uncomfortable. That's fine but now i'm joining eight other friends use. Also i dislike it rises eight times so yeah i'll have you know. I did try irish that to some people and notice how i never made a video. Nobody has nobody said yes by. Don't even try not shot my shot and yeah all ball shot hairballs say a little bit of a rim and show. That's the shots. I don't know. I was going with that one basketball. Oh yeah how. 'bout speaking of finally landing a shot. I though it's from the time we're from the time we're talking. I'm saying like as in like it's finally kenya see late. I don't care that it has sure gay released but like that's expected you know it's gotta be good because everyone's still saying like nope is still get billing stuff. I don't believe. I don't believe i call the last delay though he has like no way. It's now is like one. More as i do for one more. But at this point we're blessed than seventy two hours out on pc. So there's no it's not happening plus some people already like there's a whole best buy. Yeah i saw on read it that like their lives election addition early or something to pure through best buy. Somebody's getting fired. Pretty much all preorders. They already sent out. People got him a couple of days ago even just normal disc. Yeah i gotta start priore from best buy like all the reason i knew is a co carnage. I follow him on twitter. He's like in the game. Right like i think is a case in the game. Yeah mind. does he posted a picture. You guys won't believe this like best buy okay ordered a year ago because he was the ps four addition to not even like new gen. And i forgot like order this whatever and is here like a week early. He's like obviously. I'm not gonna stream. And then that's when cyberpunk made their statement like was like if you stream this year done like just wait like for everybody waiting until december nine th at whatever time i thought that was because like they had just send out like creator codes or like media passes or something like that will mean he passes must be a while. Because i remember seeing a tweet like two days ago. I was like just finished. Cyberpunk like can't wait to tell you. About how many hours is like the thing. They roughly said one hundred eighty but but that seems fame known on. I'm thinking that's like god. Yeah well because to do all three. That's probably what you're you're. Because i think they said somewhere around like forty hours for the main campaign something like that because they specifically said they wanted to make shorter than what your three because they actually had like percentage of people to actually finish the main which three restoring and it was like ten percent chance yeah just because like it would span so long in the while. That was fun. It's like you also just get so distracted. Yeah that was mean witcher. Three the sky rim Male story whenever i played sky rim but that was my problem which cyclists discover guild joining that. Like same thing with skyrocket. So and it's going to be the same play with cyberpunk to be like me. Who do site deliver this pizza. Kid like do i. I guess my testicles. With robo testicles of course. I'm going to do this site. Tell me what to do. I'm there so the only problem is i wanted to play through although it was originally but did on the second channel since the nasdaq on i might only streaming on how i don't know if i'll double upload there but we'll see if i'm streaming it how sidetracked. I get argon your regular schedule. Podcast listening for this short break. I'm a big football fan. And i like to watch all my soccer highlights but unfortunately because i'm in america and not in london any of that stuff that's now a thing of the past thanks to express. Vpn what most of you thinking. Why don't you just use. Incognito let me tell you something incognito mode does not hide your activity it doesn't matter what mode you're on and how many times you've lead your browsing history. Your internet service provider can still see every single site you've ever visited express. Vpn is an app that reroute your internet connection through secure servers. 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That weapon like shot up the games in our thanks to i've ages have it in sub only mode like i've just probably spoilers to honestly i'm probably not gonna look in chat unless i actively ask a question one answer. Okay which. I can't imagine probably gonna be anything so realistically is just gonna be playing and people watching alerts honor off on a probably needed. I'm just immersed I can't say have you preordered it. Blow I should should i. I mean i priori. Yesterday i was like i have bought this. What's like i always like pre-ordered so it doesn't sell out but you don't see that anymore you know like in the digital. Don't sometimes there's like some rewards for barely in the digital age. I don't really bother you. Played up playing it. A lot blur no. I don't know if i'm gonna do content on it but i'll probably play it. Yeah just little austrian. I don't know. I just don't know what to expect i don't either. I'm worried about him. The fresno streaming game. Because it's like there's going to be so many it's it's it's cyberpunk like it's it's it's cd project red. They're just going to be so much dick and tit. I'm i have like this internal fear of like i can i even do that on twitch but obviously they're gonna let you do it on twitch but it's like it's like the witcher like they don't want you just actively just going in there and like i think twitches made a statement about it's like it can happen sherpa like if you're just going in there and just that and that's what i'm worried about is apparently there's going to be a whole bunch of people you can like sex and like a war. I don't even want to know if it's an immersive game. Don't san andreas have some broad. That like had the whole nation uproar. Because you could literally have sex with like like a prostitute or something smash wherever. There's a mod like that. Everybody lost their minds. Like i was young and naive. it's across the world. Yeah i. I don't know what to expect i. You said i don't know if i'm gonna love the game or if i'm going to be like ten hours into this and just like i am does not like getting what i need from this or something for me. The biggest thing will be. Does the shooting feelgood because if the shooting game play is like there's going to be hard to get through but as long as the shooting is like even for me passable. It's like it's enough. That i'm not like i don't like this. It's that i don't have to think about it. i'm probably. I'm probably a little bit. Yeah the shooting. Like whenever i look at a trailer doesn't ever blow me away though. I'm not like whoa. I need to watch this mccain doing so. It's not like i had to like play this. It just kind of looks like every other kind of shooter has always ever looked which isn't a bad thing but one hundred percent think it's secondary for them like rpg story i combat second but with all the time they spent on. There's no way it's going to come out and be like man the shooting sacks i didn't realize this game had been like the like they announced like two thousand thirteen. Or what does it. I still remember that you throw. There's like this cybernetic girl and it was like rain and she like slides underneath. She's like side and on her knees like the the rain street. And there's like police and she's like i remember and i was like that's dope seven years later you'll be a youtube or house by the time it comes out doesn't even like remotely look like the same game. I remember what it look i. I don't remember it being announced that long ago just like concept alone is just totally different than why like. They showed us in that trailer. So it's like y. I mean hey you got to think at that point. It was still just like pen and paper. That was one hundred percent. Just yeah like concept. Three d. thing I think we shot the gun early here. And then they just went silent for a couple of hits your cheek and it like goes up zoellick slow-motion yeah totally not a gameplay trailer at all there's this funny reddit thread. I how yesterday it was like it was about that. It's like it's been seven years since cyberpunk was announced. What's happened in your life since and it was just people i got married. I got a car. I got a kid and even i was thinking about it. It's like a graduated high school Went to college. I became a youtuber. i got married. I got dogs. Got a house. It's like just a quick reminder. This is the first thing it's just a quick reminder. This teaser is older than the. Ps four it's always pretty crazy reminds me is that gte five has outlived an entire console generation. Came out on the three sixty. Nps lary you all ps four and the xbox one and now it's out on the next one remember three gta's came out on one console since then since then it's been that read. I'm gonna wind up yet. Sky rim has lasted a lot different though they just keep remaking it and like well. Gte five is still like cash counts. Yeah like it's still going. Did you guys see a red dad. Had a new update. Red dead online to piss. I it so much from that. I think everyone did from j five hours. Expecting like gt youtubers avocado read multiple later. Screw that sounds great. And then how do you messa just take. Gte's idea and just go now. They're like riding gte baby like you could even put like casino saloons. Like into red dad. But no you put casinos gta. I thought i just think the cowboy like multiplayer server kind of thing that g. Does i just think the cowboy would be so much cooler than like modern city. More interesting to me. Yeah but say lobby are and it does look kind of cool though. I wish that came out though win. Multiplayer was out. You know like when it first came out. Well yeah even multiplayer when it first came into his even more bare bones. Oh it was awful. It was like fish. Like some of the clips. I have from that stream or some of the funds for the first couple of hours and being able like rpm proximity chat was fun but like aside from our pene nothin. Let's be rough to drop the ball on that but it is what it is and we'll see six on the six maybe we get a gts. Six five i mean at this point. If they don't that's on the new rules it will blow one. It's all backwards compatible talking like a newer like. I think they're talking about like a new update or whatever some. It's just lasted forever and congratulate people that like you know invest in like it and love it. They're like this is great. It just keeps getting supported. Nobody saw that coming speaking of support. You know what is finally getting support some movie card game. Oh no i thought. The pokemon online trading card game finally got its update. It's never get. I just don't put any faith in that. Hbo and warner brothers teamed up so that everyone of their movies waited for twenty twenty. One will be releasing same day on hbo max dagger in the hearts of movie theaters across america. That is the nail in the coffin. I think kinda but also the only way movie industries can recoup anything now. They're not making an ticket sales. Well i guess maybe maybe scratch. I said maybe like the the idea of a movie where it's like a two hundred and fifty million dollar project or something like that like how you see like twenty those year. I think maybe you'll only see like five or six now like they're only a end all be like on. Hbo max and streaming services like that along with being released in movies. But i bet prefer me. I pick my couch over a movie theater ten times out of ten if i go to. The theaters and cover wasn't a thing. Jer but right. Now i'm going. No movies here definitely prefer to watch your home. We're finally getting wonder woman. I think that comes out digitally on christmas day tenant finally releases on dvd or whatever and a week saga it. Then i haven't seen ten in either man but the important one that i'm excited for it to come ace max king congress godzilla happening. Yeah did you actually not little teaser today. Before this real shit. Like three seconds. Though i saw a but i saw the saddest thing i thought it was real. It was like it's like universal like a monster phases and then it was like face to rogaine and it was like mothra. And then it was like godzilla three and then it was like a destroy. And then by the last one face who was like mecca godzilla vs godzilla and then like based three was nuts. It was like destroy all monsters and twenty twenty seven and then like destroy all monsters part to twenty twenty eight. All my god was. I think i think it was fan. Made yeah i don't think it was. I promise we've been waiting for this movie for years. I think like the Because they hinted at it in two thousand fourteen right with. I guys came out. I think they handed out and king kong this. I'm i'm sick of whatever. Godzilla comes this holiday listeners. I'm going to. I'm going to go on my monserate. This is kind of visual so like a pisses me off about those movies. Though is like godzilla walks in frame right. You like law like he's about to punch the canned goes all. It's humans doing over there. You get like a little. Pov down here watching now. Who cares and it's like cuts to the family running. And it's like folk. Like i want to see the makers man like there needs to be directed that just says puckett worth oh thirty minutes at godzilla and king kong just going rounds just db s brawley row. Yes seriously just like give us a stupid like two thirty five forty five minute just like whatever and give exposition or something up just fighting it and then like thirty seconds of this is the most insane thing i've ever seen tim. Yeah let's keep watching frank. And then they go back like this. He's back but no continued to let them fight. And now it's like. Oh let's cut to the family of driving away in their car because they love each other. I don't care about them k. Okay about the humans. I'm not here for the humans. I'm here for godzilla but then but then it sucks because the second godzilla movie was so fucking tight reviews which is awful for but it's like but it was just monster mash like do you guys know. Why do you guys go to go to the mov- problem. I fucking love. That human element was more monster fighting than the other ones. But still parts where i felt like under percent but like critics were like the storytelling. Yeah exactly and like fro who gives a fuck reptile that can breathe like blazer beams boat i don't care ripple mouth open that's one on there for i don't need to see the deposition of karla. Your mother for some reason thinks that the monsters are going to destroy the world. And that's the best thing for it and then just doesn't make any sense. And then taiwan. Lancaster shows up. What's going on. And i will say so. The second one had more fighting which was cool. But i still think the first godzilla did it. Perfect 'cause like it was a lot of humans. But i think that was perfect because it led up to that suspense like for me for the entire time. Wake for me the way they did. It like really built up. And then you are just waiting to see godzilla and like when you finally got to and then at the end i think the kind of like in the city. I think they could have done a little bit more. Gods wants to reveal happen. Show me someone godzilla the gunman but like when it was like super vague and like they're in the on the island. Whatever the trees and you can only hear like him in the distance or like the rumble and then you see him at the airport. But it's like only the shadow. And then you just hear like the godzilla zero for the first time and i'm just like yep. This has the augusta. Yeah that's eighteen dollars. I paid for this movie. It's like with Like with data right or like you. Don't go dragon ball move for the store. You go for it to see the bad as animation. People beating the shave each other and when data was like could have been thirty minutes shorter. What do you mean it could have been thirty minutes off while we're here for those people that are into the mountain and had the mountain crater around them they could have cut that but up Hello i like what we think about. Action scenes like the best action sequence. We just go to brawley. 'cause it's not let down. Its like thirty minute story and just like an hour of just. That's why i love to do. It's like i came here to see this and like the best part was like this is so i don't i don't want it to end. And then it kept going yes qb going and it kept going like yes. It was just thirty minutes. I just fighting and i was like this is awesome. Felt about my hero. Animation was to keep going keep going. Don't stop is obscene. Is who got damn. I wanted you to keep going on that. Yeah it's literally just like for me and service to organ your regular schedule. Podcast listening for this short break whether you're treating yourself or shopping for someone on your list. Finding the right gift is never easy but this holiday season hawthorn is making gift-giving fun and simple. Hawthorne is a premium tailored personal care brand. That is making it easy for guys to feel and smell their best start. By taking their quiz they start asking things like. Do you have thick care thin hair. do you have bad. Do you have decently bad. Be oh let's face it. We all have bad be. Oh actually really quick and easy. They had about all the products. I needed out about ten minutes. Been using the shampoo for about a month and a half now and my hair is never felt any thicker than it has before. We'll tell my stepbrother. This but i totally got him. 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I think it's a little easier because you have to actually portray like emotion backstory and these are primal beasts. So he's it's not they're not going to be like oh and it's gonna be. Your mother's name is martha to like you're right. Humans the why did you even zero. That is still unclear calls them. Alfred is the so so what other movies have. Slated on their anything hyper king kong. Because for me. I just saw kong. Sick i saw batman was twenty twenty two which is okay which is okay that means it may be only in theaters. Which is cool. Can't really blame because like Filmings on films on films off like for me. The the thing that hurts the most is that the which keeps getting delayed. I need it. I watched that on attack on titan. And i just watched literally just came out. We've been saying this for mogs. Don't even watched the crown. I've been watching the crown dude. I'm busy watching my hero for the love the crowd. It's actually a dope show hit. I love the history so like when you like. Ooh they're like in world war two right now it's like he's gonna let you like that though. Yeah i'm gonna watch my hair over the thirty eight time. I can't busy. Rewatching for the raiders. Have bro four. Three watch season ever since i finished brotherhood. Miami games has been off here the list of the movies though. Okay why these. I haven't heard of the little things i guess is going to have denzel. I love denzel. Anything denzel tom and jerry. I don't know maybe bring. I think trying to bring tom and jerry. Back like scooby. Doo like kids love. It was like old people love trauma. Jerry kids thomas and jerry. Maybe like tom. And jerry the approach they're taking because it looks more like Was that who killed roger at it. Roger rabbit whereas like the two d. three d. mix. That movie holds up because they didn't try to do like state of the art human. Yeah but Will probably the mini saints of newark. The I don't know what this is reminiscent but it has you jackman and he looks brooding so. I'll take it okay. Dodson lovers kong but the crib to think about that. You're watching that. Act the corrib. No more fucking none of that space jam and new legacy. What do they now. Do-does says bronco fan. Dude let lebron make i agree. He's gonna make it one five or four two in miami one in cleveland. One in la for like who. Who else is going to make space jam. And we'll i'm just worried like on top that classic like that's just something you need to leave on the browser. Great actor lebron's awesome. I think the. I think lebron hit apart own. Have you seen trainwreck. Funny in that. He's he's steals a show in trainwreck. A this will be a big decider on the future warner brothers superhero movies. The suicide squad. August sixth a reboot which is a red card. And they're like. Oh that other one. Deadpool did which is like killing characters and just having no issue on like throwing away villains for the sake of like listen this the one that has like thirty giant actors like nathan fillion like all these random people are gonna show up and killed like two minutes. There's almost the only way you can afford this. Cast is if each one of them are maybe in it for an average of four to five minutes or so aegis alba braga and i'm sure some will survive or something like that but we'll smith is like will smith and margot robbie or is it different like the returning cast members include margaret. Robbie joel cinnamon. And chai courtney no will smith pride for the better which is louie was signed of sad because we'll smith kind of carry that movie jay. Hopefully james god knows what he's doing. jared leto as like The joker or not like are they have. They said anything nothing about this. I don't know how this works. Like are they gonna call back to the is this. Just don't know so it's just like have. We've dune october. I that's like the chat or whatever lights young charlemagne. yeah. I heard a book write a very famous put so they messed that up. Have you read that book. I'm not the matrix four faulk. Yeah i'm hype about that thing calling. I'm not that i like. I'm in king conquer measly. I think had like the oj. People coming back like it's gonna be but matrix relating to the other two and the what's the third one called the and it just don't want him to fuck it again 'cause after the first one was dashed purdy sharp down the first movie that's per everyone does. That's a perfect matrix resolutions. That's it forever. Like two and three were just that weird time in movies though where like cgi was just kinda of taking over to the point where it was like. Let's just cgi. Let's just cgi everything. And that's what makes like the the first one. So cool is that like when they do like all the slow motion of its actual practical effects and like when they go to the second one. It's literally a cgi. Kiana reads flying through the air. For dude the fuck in god revolutions was just. Oh my i don't even wanna talk about the mr anderson vite like mike guy. Did i remember being a kid. And i was just like. Wow this is terrible. I i'm with you. I was watching my cousins because we loved the first one and then the second one was bad. But it's like okay like maybe we can wrap this up and the third one is just like the tornado. Span is just so bad man and then like the story also is just kinda all over. The place soon doesn't make any sense. I don't know what else going on you know. What else can be pretty bad. Apparently there's going to be another mortal kombat. Reveal leonardo's you i'm waiting for is not a moral combat. We're not gonna make like a straight up like high budget street fighter movie. I think more combat is even cooler than three five more combat you have like university of realms and like where they like they fight for see. I feel like street. Fighter could be easier because it's like just imagine the boxing movie but replaced with like street fighter characters like a little superpower brockie. You know what i mean. I think he could do so much more combat in the sense that like you could just be so crazy with it. You know and make rated a adults. Only we'll see. Let me stop you there. Because i think that's the problem is when it's more complicated. They don't know what to do and so they just take the most bizarre stuff and try and throw them all in here. Do this and and it's like what so simple. so there's less parameters. Sh what did i feel like in in video game movies and stuff. Let's a scenario in on on what we're trying to move towards lead the worst. Maybe like two degrees and these monster. Hunter i have not. I have no desire. Release leeann theaters on the come out. I think it's it's probably going to be like everything else at least for something. Yeah no thank you. Do they have any actors in. That are no combat They have it will be directed by simon mccoy. Never heard of that. Let's see what he's directed. He has directed to see movies. Mortal kombat upcoming movies more combat. He's directed the upcoming mortal combat and the night time economy which was a video short. I see him standing next to what looks like So this is his direct direct coral debut. I guess that's talwar. There's a that's there'd be such like but think about it though did if you knock mortal combat out of the park you make fucking mortal kombat sick. Probably why they got. Simon mcchord has everyone else is like. I'm not putting my name on this. If he stumbles like is just a first time dude. Whatever he's he's fucked the fuck. You make a moral combat movie. Did you got like eight movies. Come out of that thing. They have ludi lin as liu cong. Todd in the nobu. Asano and jessica mcmenamy as sonya blade roster of other actors martial artists. Yeah the problem of moral combat though is like every fight moral combat they like stab each other and then they just like pull out the knife not so. You can't really do that in a movie sure. This is bizarre cry macho. Have you heard of this crime a macho cry macho now. It's a clint eastwood neo western drama. He's still doing westerns. I guess. I can't believe he's still like eighty. I can't believe he's still alive. he's so i think. He's like in his nineties clinton as ninety nine be like. He's gotta be in his nineties. He's a good look. Kind of joked about eighty. I was rog. It's even older. Yes was this as well. And that he looked like he was ninety ingrained torino. That shit came out like ten years ago. Well good on uber eighty nine. He's still making the bag. Go for man. That is bizarre. Fruit is like past my prime. I'm drinking grape. Jeez bro. i'm lucky some tapioca go to You know. I'm lucky if i'm still like why. Vote when up. Who you know. It's go on. Go on eastwood go on then good and obviously for theaters. I hope that after it all comes back. I feel like they'll be less theaters for sure. But i think they'll make a resurgence and i especially like the first couple of months i imagine can be a flock of people coming back and then on top of that theaters can re-release those that. Most people missed as like random showtime movies afraid of groups though. Like you don't think this is going to make a big group of people like people are like. I don't want to be in a group of people anymore. Like of that fear. Or do you think that'll be plenty of people for awhile. Yes some like some very degrees like never doing this skin and some like. I'm still going to wait it out or like. I'm still a little unsure this kind of stuff. Where are you at right now at me right. Now get away from me like yeah. 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I want to leave the house. I like my gym. Finally getting used to it like working at home working at home. But i definitely still miss like just the atmosphere one thing. Yeah just actually get now and also on top of that like seeing other people. They're the pomp. He's been motivating accountable. And then like you're like. I saw yesterday like that guy is like he gets it in like. I'm gonna be here tomorrow because he'll be here tomorrow. Then you go into the steam steam room. That's what i miss more than anything like. We're not Mr jip you can pay a You couldn't pay me a thousand dollars. Assist steam room with a bunch of random old guys anymore. Mike seriously. I that sounds like i used to never. I used to walk into that thing and now it's rolling up on him for me. Freak a nice up on the list. We got Continuing the light of an entertainment mando mandalorian. I'm saw my my faith and star wars has been restored time. I'm watching episode of that. I'm like every star. Were thing was of this quality like they just know what star wars fans have wanted essentially and are like here. You go like star wars. Oh give him give him few like you know how they gave the whatever russo brothers would ever like a vendor things. They'll give today. And i can't remember john farrow her. Yeah just give star wars spider spider-man's butler guy. Okay just give everything. That's him right. Which one john fabric plays. Oh yeah yeah bellies. Little cameo think everything played with us. It's so good. And that's why i'm sad. It's only two episodes as the timer accordance. I didn't realize that but we get a season. Three which is tight mandalorian movie. Just keep giving me these ten hours things you know. I feel like amanda lauren. Movie would only make it worse or like not answering questions. Put him in a movie. Just like a little cameo. I appreciate the fact that now. I wanna go back even more and finally watched through the clone wars and stuff. Yeah 'cause they're finally like and all the stuff. I saw this movement. It was like the trojan horse. It's like day. Felonious like bringing in like disney executives at the top of the gate in inside it says like clone wars characters look mandalorian it's like making making clo- moore's characters like cannon or whatever but yeah. I won't won't talk sports anything but yeah it's sick. watch it there. Really is no downplaying. Like if you're a star wars fan. I'm confident you like it. Agreed site from that I might be making minecraft channel thinking about what now what now. What ideas of a micro channel does that in like. Does that take like what. What's your idea of micro channel. We'll some people like she used to like does not doing well enough on the main train on. Just do it on a second channel like you just want to. Well i wanna one experiment. Yeah with a fresh channel. Because obviously i would have never done this for a fresh channel. An experiment where like. I only upload like it's watery a minecraft channels. Yeah like you know exactly what you're gonna expect. And then and then see because the way the algorithm works already with my channel. It's already set in its ways for the most part. Like when i post something it knows what is going to do. Or how it's going to push it out to people blah blah blah. and well. my doesn't do on the channel. It does about average a unless like like the minecraft series for instance that we did a couple years ago like every episode of the little worse which makes sense series. But you know the new channel just a whole bunch of stuff could. Every time i play minecraft remind me scheme so good news so much. Do social and different things you can do. If you don't wanna do multiplayer one day then we could go. Do build off in creative like player thing or go. Play spleen Odds yeah you can do so many things that i don dude like you know me. I love mine christ. Tell me the meet Advanced server or something on there we saw thinking about it right now obviously. Look that'd be my fourth channel if we're including podcast channel so it'd be lot fear that out but it sounds fun so we'll see. The second channel will stay the way i see it as main channels everything i'm doing and then second channels essentially the let's play channel and if i may another one minecraft term and then she and it could be an experiment. Let's say do like a month or two on my stained doing an soviet thinking about that didn't work out. Oh that reminds me. I put like dream team all stars because that's like what we were going to call. It was sharing center team. Like i literally in my title. Maze dam sure in the charity incentives. Whatever we're like a dream team all stars minecraft hunger games or something. So i put that and immediately people already like like people are going to be so confused. They're gonna think the dream and like they're going to think it's the real dream team house like first off. Yeah i my first half first off. The dream team is so unoriginal for him. I'll be honest. it makes it makes. His name's dream is very ponti like it just works but also like i've already prepared you know if like we get dream stands or something. Like common bombarding us would post a picture like of the dream team. I upload day and then dreamed for step which was like a year ago. Like one isn't a very original name. Now we've been calling for this like the olympic team of nineteen eighty-eight. Well that's what i said to like in that comment i was like well really where the od dream team. But we're not even the energy drink does he. Oh gee oh gee dream team again. It's not a very lipoma dream team. Last point yeah. Irrelevant buner draped. Now these all new kids are like who these old did. It's called the dream team. I love watching four hunters going after speed runner for the ninth time in a row. I love watching washtub destiny players. It's us that's me. Hey wait that's me. I used to love your dream team videos did it. Back in dusty wind. The hawk moon dude. All my god. That was so funny. I can't tell you how many times i tweeted at about like yours. The hawk moon coming up in like the news. Expansions like i might be playing at man. So who cares as other responded. Somebody someone's like you make sure you do not use the hawk mood because two years ago to video you said you can never use it again. Even if they bring back. Okay i'm not gonna play in. The game will live flu like it's like that soldier mean where he's like taking all the knives in the balcony sleeping like rob taking hawk moon jokes than just balloon. You sleeping to steadily. That's funny. I mean to be fair if we look back. You're like we weren't even doing that. You're the one. That's like last-second joe. I'm waking my hochman. Oh fruit just like a cool. I'm not doing the same wagers now. I literally like Speaking of hochman. I literally have this guy who has sent me. I'm not kidding. You hawk moon game week for. I think a year and a half straight and he's probably missed a couple days in between every day for way back so you can't see the name but this is hulk moon game week read day. I am not stopping swiping. This thing just goes. I don't even get it was hot. C'mon game week mean at i. I don't know. I don't have a hochman. Game is week you. You'll respond like i don't get it and he's like yeah you can't get it twenty six. It's a sydney's vacuuming so is not shouted her vacuuming it. Says you got a girl but no move and then so's properly game. We cockman game week cockman game week week. Hochman game weakest hell game week and then it just goes. Oh i get it. It's not like week seven days. It's week instead of strong care so why didn't get it to me with face. A real were just say real do fail. Do i think they quit like a year ago. But i say i respect a july twenty six twenty eighteen when he started so let that me ask the hawk moon peak though he still going deadman dude got a girl but you don't know he ended your career sit on your mind every day. That price still here. Did we devastator aside from that. Is there anything else unless you wanna get to. Sydney opened a pair of. I'd probably say they're about eight hundred dollar gloves. Cs go the other day which was very What do you mean like. She opened the cases and she just click cases. So you buy a case and then you buy the key for the case. It's like three dollars in total so an in that three dollars. You can get like a variation of skins and she opened probably like one of the best kind of gloves that you can get in that package so now only do you have to roll to get the yellow like and just to get the yellow is like i think the odds. I know how gamblers giants like one in. Like six thousand five thousand. I don't know exactly it's really high but then now only do you have that. You also have the thirty pairs of gloves that you can get and sometimes the gloves are terrible. Some are super ugly and not wanted or sought after all and then and so in that role. She got one of the best pairs. You can get. i think. Probably the top three gloves in the box or like the case. But now you have to roll a good role like you had to either get battle-scarred well-worn field tested or minimal wear so it's like not only have you rolled all that. Now you have to roll to get a good flow and pattern on your thing. And she got like a pair of field tests ones for that are saic. Hold him for years. I'm never going to sell them. Because i i think in two years like with the gloves now like i have a pair of isis. That gopher like fifteen hundred dollars. And i got him for like way cheaper than that and they just gone up because you can't find him anymore and you can only open them from certain case and these cases are going to go away at some point so you won't be able to open these gloves after april so right now if you sell them you can like sell them for pretty quickly. But you're not gonna make that big of a prophet so like i could make them like sound today. Like eight hundred by thinking like two or three years. They'll probably will be worth like seventeen eighteen hundred or something like that. They're sick investment. Well when you posted the twitter clip us so confused her because there's like all these different cams of other people like my little stream like what i thought was kind of like the poco mom breaks. I thought you were buying into like other people opening crates and i was like no. I was just a home easy. And i was like that. Why wouldn't he just. yeah. That's what. I was so confused. Like my e mates and there's just by gloves cases and we all just like watch each other open cases and shit like that it makes more. It's a great time you're turning. I was opening cases. I was just getting nothing. And i was like the game knows that i want something. So it's not gonna give me something. Let me go get sydney. Who doesn't know anything about chieko and she'll open gloves at his computer like. Oh she showed up. She let me give her live scarlet shemona's and then boo soon. Thank you and. I opened up another pair of gloves. But they were bad. They're only worth like three hundred bucks. Feel sorry for blizzard. Anything else you want to touch on before we get to pay three questions. I don't really think that'll be honest. I feel like that that peak the gloves slab not going to beat that. So we were on that final fantasy raid stories. I'm sure five point four is coming out baby. Let's call five hundred four. Mr fruit five point to play as each grade. 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And they have those little colored. The super hyper rainbow. Gray right now the hyper rainbow looking in the fridge. The little glass mark. Are you serious. Rob you've never seen a do michael family. They have like this thing called colombiano. Like that is like yeah. It's it's something like that it's soup. They like it a lot. It's like a grapefruit kind of soda. I'm not really big into like South american soda. I really never really liked it and same with candy My grandma had a colombian candy and just kind of south american candiace never. It's always like really spicy like subscriber chat routing subscribership. Believe you you have. Everyone's everyone loves those those into thing like Like yeah little thing. I never grab them the sprite grapefruit from my favorite. I like mexican coca mexican sprite. Like in the bottle dude. It hits different for sure Let's do. Mr walsh asks favorite christmas movie. Okay usa threat about this morning on reddit. I sound like the guys. Like i listened to a podcast. There's this reddit thread and it was talking about something. That's like pretty normal like harmless but gives you super anxiety. The top answer was when someone asks for you to name your favorite x. Or y. necessarily talking about like and i was finally like reaffirmed like. I'm not the only one other people after i can't do that. It's like suddenly. It's just like i can't even think of christmas movie. It's like a mental block. Yeah i can't do this alone to eat what they need to ask is like what's one of your favorites or like what is what do you think is a good christmas. May not like what is your. What is the best. What's a christmas movie. You recommend the first. Santa claus look is that the one where he falls off is at the tim allen. Tim like. there's not pressure. Because i don't have to like diana hill like dass my christmas but i didn't feel like i like that one. What about you. what's christmas movie. You would recommend tonight hard. I still. that's movie that just takes place on christmas. I think like. I don't remember my stance on hard a couple of years ago. I feel like i can say wasn't really one but at the same time i don't know i guess at this point. So many people are into diehard. Like you know what if you know if diehards crisp soufriere than you know what i guess diehards christmas be for you. So many people seem to think it is. I don't really care that much so sure. I think i went over this last time every time i watch like a new. It's always. I always watch sci fi movies during christmas so arrival. Is my christmas movie. Think i do remember standup. I just watch a shit. Ton of alien flakes whenever christmas rolls around. And i don't know why tis the season for alien domination. Would you say run home to serve the one. I always think about or like christmas. Is that the one with our Favorite person which one the little seen with a little cameo off talking about now and they took out. What was that like the hallmark channel or something like took it out of the isn't it. Oh yeah. I forgot about like this hotel or something like that. My book into the grand ritz hotel. Because i remember what like might have been. Tbs or something. Well yeah like after all this day like taken that part i like the aired partner. Only imagine there was a sane reaction to that Jake has questions as my family and are taking a vacation to colorado i. I'm being there but mainly as a state. Stay patient at our airbnb for my birthday. Yes we are going to drive there from dallas with two toddlers because no touchy. The question is is. Do you think it'll snow around that time of the year if to unpredictable. Should we just go to the mountains. What time year The twelfth of december colorado. It's so weird like they'll be cold or it could be. It could be summer like there could be no cloud in the sky like there but there may be no cloud on this guy on monday but then there's a blizzard on tuesday and then there's no cloud on sky wednesday like was he saying they're playing in the mountains. Yeah i think he's going to be in denver different story. If you're going into the mound expect something you'll see there'll be plenty dimmer right now though like as of right now there's nothing. There was a snowstorm a couple of days ago. See up here though like i. I no doubt down south. They was like poor in up here. I think we'd like navy. Got a flurry The street got wet. So that's a good question Do i think like some crazy. Storms coming on the next week week. Two weeks now bicol but yeah it can be kind of unpredictable. Do you like oh and then he says a. Ps rob your pc from us. Sick use code salt. Oh i guess he works out of pc Premade sandwiches as what was your guys as spotify. Look like this year. What artists and songs did you listen to most this year. Well actually on fact. My spotify rap playlist is right. Here really spotify listens to frank sinatra on repeat with me listening to music rare usually. What am i listening to music. I'm not driving anymore or anything. The just youtube really I had took a screen shot of it. So i could share like everybody else in the world did i mean i think my my artist of the year was like a denzel curry and then i think number two is like kenny beats and then mo yeah what can I think catch catch thirty. Three was my song of the year by freddie a banger culture music. I honestly couldn't tell you any new music. I've listened to in years i just flew none of them. Yeah and and blue like made some drink kunming. That's like yeah. Of course it goes up for it. So i don't get when it comes to that grow. Listen i know the new katie songs. That's that's about it because you're right stan. This is my song of the year. It's in the subscriber. Chad if you're if you are in the discourse don't play a team not going to tell you about to put my bra alot into subscriber chaz so like someone's curious about Will then shouldn't say this catch thirty. Three by freddie dread. This song came out in two thousand. Eighteen funny is that. I mean look at me. I discover old music all time. This is my favorite song. So what was yours. Do you know dis spotify. I do what hold up on. Your spotify should just open. Did you guys do that. Was their issues this viral tweet whereas like this girl was like man. He's missing out. He's never gonna find a girl in music. Tastes like me ever again. And then it showed her like spotify rap and it was just the most like five basic things. You would have ever. But she's i'm so different like nobody's like me right so my top artists. This year is deaf tones. Which is what a surprise death to is implicit to shift to the deaf tones this year and then their new album came out to so poked out and then my highest. Okay see i remember looking at this. A couple of weeks not weeks ago a couple of days ago and i was like how is this the top song. I don't know how it is. I guess i probably just love my radio on and it just kept playing the song but it's a song by this group called i am am i who am i. Yes i know this confused. It's goods and i was like. Yeah this song is a banger. But i'm just like damn that's really the song let's do most this year. Okay yeah my my top. Five is denzel. Curry kenny. beats yuki yucai hashi Juice world and neck deep. And i think number three is just literally the conductor who makes all the my hero music yeah haiku visa to so that is literally. Iq's dope watch iq. My brother just takes me a breaking news alert. Oh apparently announced logan. Paul is fighting. Floyd mayweather i. I can't confirm that you guys can look right now. But what if he wins. Let me funny is concerned. What day february twentieth did he's gonna kill him die. Well i mean. Logan paul has the biggest reach i've ever seen in fully. Mayweather is may be shorter than me but the only differences floyd's out of its prime. There's a age gap thirty five years. That's what the other fifty foot fighters. Who fought floyd learned. You can't you can't touch so it's going to be one of those fights where people are gonna pay for it and they go. I can't believe i paid for this and do it is hugging dodging punches a set. I'll mealy say this if it's his previous fights unless he's learned how to control stamina is going to be exactly the economy gregor who i thought would have known better gas yourself like the first round and then that's boxing to be like the ufc to do standing in. There's just haymaker at the haymaker. It's not like that. That is interesting. My money's on floyd. I'm putting the house on floyd. Imagine how much money they're gonna make for that. That's ridiculous all that jazz. Four says blue. The resident final fantasy fourteen expert. Are you most excited about regarding the new five point. Four patch every the new radio. Obviously because it's a new ray tier and then difficulty so new retail trade like whole new fights only raid holy four new rage every reindeer fights are normally within a and final fantasy four fights and reindeer. That's about. I would say more than what i would expect. I would always say like three. I would think is average four fights and then each of them come with savage version. So and your boys over here savage reiter. So are you ready. I would love to watch you. I would watch street fantasy fourteen. If it was like a day one rada and you were like That'd be sick. I would watch the fuck happening but sick mice. My statics not day. One rating says day one rating is like jesus. Christ like that's is it like kind of like. Wow like just sewed beards of the next beards are going to beat it so final fantasy people have asked for this to change everything drops on day one so the normal raids the savage raids in all drops on the day. That new story condoms out. So they one. Raiders will do killing rush through interesting. Though russia the story though rushing normal rates just to get to the savages which are the harder versions of the normal rates. So it's like new mechanics or is it. You know what to do because you basically average is like a totally different beast like accent is designed to be hard so what you don't like the they released like let's say destiny with beyond light. Instead of having the rate kamau saturday the rain was like you could go and see the rage right now. If you want us yes. I think that's cool. Why don't you like that. I feel like that is like super just cool. I am not. I am not sixteen anymore. I can't do that. i can't stay up. Twenty four hours going into the savage is not sleeping. can't do that. I get it so like you rather have with destiny. You have a week to pratt and say you gotta go right now and if you don't go right now you can't keep up with the clare and interesting. It's just more opportunity more people get into it. And i know that they're actually gonna change that ice cream. 'cause dude i couldn't i it's like with crown of sorrows right like when that season. Drop where you had to do everything and then okay the raindrops. That day at five pm. Yeah it's just a lot can't do anymore those those as our past me any cool mountain five point four that. We're looking forward to pretty much always. I bet that's got i'm excited. It's also fun fact. Did you guys know. I just this past week. Because i'm god. Par parter blow. You guys already knew this. I'll actually top ten gun breaker on a well heart. That's actually huge. Pretty fucking pretty hot. Apparently let's go. I know at ten gum breaker. Let's go that's why you guys should play fantasy games. You play three rd. And then i can play. I can say. I top like we can be walking in a group and the but all my god. That's our top ten gumbo. That's my boy. That's primal data center. Mike with my with my scout title inequality rob law connects to actually funny girl. Let's get it that's right. Argh your regular schedule podcast. Listening for this short ad breaks sending asks if you woke up the next morning in an anime universe with armor enemy universe which wanna wake up in arms dude. I'm going to be honest. And i watched the on in the news of the day. And then we watched the first episode. You say attack on titan. No but what. I'm what i'm saying. Is like if i have plot armor an attack on titan the first episode of attack on titan when it's like introducing and it shows like the scouts and they're like running and there's rock music playing hours like this is the most bad ass way to introduce an anime. I was like. I wanna be a scout guy really bad so i claw armor and i can like actually i would be scout dude in attack on titan says. It seems really cool. Look at everything that's happening. Show i know. But i have our. I can be that it would be really cool. I think one of the coolest versus to in the sense of mystery and like just kind of how bad acid is. And it doesn't care that you armor so i might die. Even if i do have clar just like the scouts. When they're running. Plane and the commander forget what dave is now because i almost got out of him but then i didn't want to be like. Wow you watch three animating. Three right like report. Three big it was either him or levi. Why don't you just get like bulls scout logos like somewhere like on here. Doesn't have to be very big. Yeah but yeah. I think there's just so cool dude like just that insure was like man. I i would really love to be a scout and feel like i'm doing something you know like i'm learning about this world for my people ooh shit. I have the same problem with this because it feels like. There's a right answer. And i need to know a days and now it's like okay. Well the anime. And i'm like what am i watched home again. I can't even think of any enemy watch not retail. You don't wanna be in our universe within know the only one with plot armor that you go to university like you're screwed. I mean like being an engine so it would be kind of cool but like his universe you have plot our nardo definitely yards. Arto gets dealt pretty hard to him sometimes. Internet wanna have like maybe dragon ball jack on the strongest absolute debts. And that's just like dragon ball because you act so easy throw. He's wants to be jacked. No no no interesting story lines. That's what i'm saying to you. I can't of the watch i've watched now. I hate these questions. If you just do dragon ball thing about boring of life that is all you do. Training become stronger. Beat the aliens thing about that. And then i keep changing my haircut. Do what's not sick about that. What i'm trying to get the answers. Not only that. But then i can just go kill and like i. I have hybrid time chambers. I go chilling. Kyw's planet for oboe and go cheat all right. Aside from the. I dunno pokemon will be cool. Depression morals like being able to send do what again. What part of that world. I'm practically putting myself in the main character shoes. If i'm if. I applaud numbers. Why in the world would i want to be daunted to some other samurai anime where lord man. She's not as tragic want. Why like pokemon not that hard. I have bone whatever n- somebody down everybody. You blew sort be cool. I don't know fuck that's hard. What's the most claw armor plot armor. Probably one punch man's pretty hard plot armor but that's like it's kind of a depressing world if you think about it. I think joe coups practically like as pla armor as armor comes get more plot than goku goku died or something like that or has as you know what i knew. Perma death never happened. Happens in dragon ball. I don't think that's such a big other dragon ball or one punch ran. I mean shit my heroes a pretty good to like if i have a cool cork like if my arm is like. I'm guaranteed bitching cork brickell. 'cause it's like a pretty normal world like it's like this but like just as if people had powers We have marshmallow says. What is one skill slash hobby outside of gaming that you've always wanted to learn slash explorer but because of time constraints time commitments you're never able to pursue I mean it's like i didn't have time to learn or explorer. I just sucked at it. And i just continue to suck at it Skateboarding like i love skateboarding. And i think it's super fun and economic force there and stuff but i can never do like trae flips or like all he did. Yeah and i could never get super good. So i i never took the step to like take it to the next level i was just like i'm here and but i've always wanted to be super good to the point. Where like you could do like a four block and trade off the four. But i can't do that shit skateboarding. i guess. I feel like my list would be unending so many things to do well if he actually already doing that. In fact i didn't know if it was a that was kinda poke at the things to see if you wanted to reveal the more must share now. But i've designed a board game and in fact tonight. Is you be my first play test really because i had it in. I thought you had home. He's coming over some one. It's more refined into that. So i can get more be back but the past three days of we'll do just been trying to make the physical stuff to practice with But also like the write. A book. Draw a flawed Archie impassable the like when you want to if you wanna get at all below surface level. I can doodle twelve you. What you get with you and your art we'll buy you blew fuck. No i kind of always wanted to try. Archery bows and arrows are sick. I'm norm seventy-nine me said but man. Oh yeah if we're going nor me. We're in japanese like oh man like learn japanese. That'd be a good so hard like with like languages where you have to learn a whole new letter system like that is just a whole different learning experience. I think about time. Joey with the last question says what's the basic fact that you should learn in school that you learned as an adult mine. Mine was australia's summer is in december Joey i don't think that is one of the facts that you should know as an adult is interesting. It is interesting. Toilets hussein no like what a bank loan is gonna stuff endless What about taxes What's basic fact that you learn in school that you learnt basic fact that you should learn. It's like why would you shoot. Have learned that australia's in december. I'll help you my one thing. That doesn't my one thing. If we want to be serious would be that it might feel like you have to choose what you're going to do for the rest of your life but that's not true. In fact the average person change their career like four times five times that. What's a basic fact that you learned see now. I can't even think of a fact. I can't even think that like to pursue equals four fact right. Hopefully they would know what's a basic fact that you should have learned in school. Why don't you like taking a test right now. Like i'm like study for this question. I don't know how. I feel every question like turkeys pardoned. Every year ag-. I didn't know that like every year. The president like pardons a turkey and that it started. Because abraham lincoln son like didn't want them to kill the turkey or something. So every year the president pardons a turkey for thanksgiving there. There is a fact that i learned at should. I think you should know that. Probably nah but trump. Yeah what about you believe you fun facts. I don't i don't really apple tops around your sneha. What did i learn. Honestly it's no. That's not even a good one. Hold on. I can think of this. I can think of this now. i can't think of anything. Probably a fruit set. I mean don't pick your but like schoolteachers. you like to pick your career now. Yeah so i. I mean i guess you should learn that but that's like a bigger topic of our school system just as fundamentally busted and also Get bad grades. It doesn't mean you're stupid hundred percent even if like try schooling man. I can't get good grades. Doesn't mean you're stupid. It just means that you learn differently and the way you retain information stuff doesn't mean you're good at multiple choice tests and that'll do for the patriot questions and this episode of g g easy episodes sixty south then. We'll have an exact date next week by tom. Making i'm gonna have to figure out what it is so much everybody for watching and listening Thanks for sticking with us with the latest over thanksgiving and then this the video is going to be daily audio. Not sure hopefully soon. So we appreciate you all See next week when the balls deep and cyberpunk wall week next week robert gonna find you twitch dot tv slash mr fruit blue wedding combined. You ever a blue s low and you can find me at rugby. So we'll tell you boo.

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186. Jacquis Front Door

LBC Election 2019

1:08:50 hr | 1 year ago

186. Jacquis Front Door

"I can't believe that we're treating our listeners to to podcasts in one day. They are so lucky on. Some people just don't know they're born affiliate. That, if you haven't listened to the other one that we posted this morning, Jackie will explain what it's all about. So today you have two podcasts one which will clearly be the usual insightful political commentary interspersed with Teensy weensiest, little bit of smart, and then the other one that we have published today is the more in common great. Get together for the many podcasts this weekend as the great get together organized by the Joe, Cox Foundation obviously as part of the way in which we honor Joe and think about bringing communities together and as one. One of the parts of that in an I recorded a podcast in which we talked about how we had more in common and some of the things that Joe admits for us. ETC, so if you haven't listened to that one yet. Make sure you do too for the price of one this week, only thirty five minutes actually this one's GonNa be a bit shorter than usual. Some you have very important business to attend to. The softening. Did you like by the way that graphic that someone did of the two of US swapping sex? I thought it was very interesting. Because you, you'd done whether you notice this, but you look an awful lot like one of your sons, and I looked like my daughter. WHO's fourteen? Well I actually. What do you call? The young people call it on. The socials attacked him into it, and said how much I thought I looked like him. Because most people say looks like his dad, but in that. Mommy looks astonishingly like me. Looking good looking. But once you bloody Tim Montgomery, said I looked like Graham Taylor. Monkey This It you you looks like. People say you look like, but you like SORTA. Blonde bombshell. Yeah well, my bike daughters Zoe. Who is my sister's daughter? She. I couldn't believe the lightness in that me to her which I suppose okay, she's my niece, she. Said would be some family resemblance. I was quite surprised, even her mother I sent it to her and I thought. She's GonNa hate this, but even she thought there was resemblance anyway. Let me tell people what we're going to talk about. We're not gonNA spend too long giving political insight in this episode, we're going to concentrate I think on free school meals and the listen more merging of different, or however you want to put. Is there anything else you want to cover Smith? No I think that will be fine. We do have several questions that we have lots of questions. We have a low to speak pot questions every single one from a man. Can you believe ladies affordable? You're letting us down. You're letting the side down honestly. So, why should we start? Let's start with free school meals. It is a bit of an indictment of the Labor position that they had to reload a twenty two year old footballer to do the dirty work for them, isn't it? That was my line of attack on West Street US night anyway. But. I mean we'll done. Marcus Rashford I mean a bloody brilliant campaign for I mean. Presumably he had some advice, but I have to say twenty two year old to run such a excellent dignified can't successful campaign is really something else. Oh. Good on him it was. It was a brilliant job or sorry, not not Marcus Rashford Daniel Rush. We've all done it. I know I. Don't I just feel really sorry for? Matt Hancock. I've managed gates name right, who who called him daniels money and then another Tory. MP apparently called him Robert. Will. Will. I mean everyone's a football fan now. Everyone is going to remember the guy's name. I mean spit of a storm in a teacup that but I think you're right the the way he did it. I think that. If anybody's writing a book at the moment on how to get your own way in politics, so how to influence government they could look. This is above masterclass because he didn't get down the road of saying well, we all know that the toys evil and they want. They want children to die from starvation, which is what politicians would opposition politicians are always tempted today. He was very constructive. He explained his own experience a why he thought that a change ought to be made, and it worked, and then the phone call. This is a will. Give. The tribute to Boris Johnson I'm unlikely to the rest of the podcast I have to say phoning him was also masterstroke. The compensation clearly went really well and Marcus Rashford again credit to him as being very charitable to Boris in his description of that phone call so I mean in a sense, everyone should be happy the right result, the government I mean course Nicholas Sturgeon only announced that she was going to fee hours before Boris does but nobody criticizes her for the fact that she actually had. The same policy is Boris Johnson until a few hours before. An it's everything's come right to the end. I think that the pro sorry, just one more thing the problem now is. That's going to be an awful lot of pressure on to do this every year now and we can argue about whether that's right or wrong. an but anything for for the sake of one hundred and twenty million pounds. I mean. Is Anybody Really GonNa? Kick up a fuss about that, but then there's an awful lot of other things that the government might be spent one hundred and twenty million pounds on. All I was gonNA say or what I was going to say was. Yes, everybody can be happy except that. To what extent do you think Boris Johnson was kicking? Asses around number ten yesterday. If it's true that he only got to hear about the campaign during the day yesterday I mean what what he's people thinking are they couldn't see that. This was a massive campaign coming down the track, and they were always going to have to u-turn now i. after in the in the cause of fairness, I do have to say that of course having been on the receiving end of Joanna Lumley campaign about the workers. I. Remember encountering her in full millbank with a load of workers during that campaign. and. You know we didn't concede quickly enough despite my arguing for which across government. Of quite a few of my colleagues, precisely actually took the thin end of the wedge arguments as to why we couldn't concede. And for those people who can't remember years ago, it was essentially about the immigration status of Girka soldiers and We should have conceded a lot more quickly and we were defeated in. We actually yeah I think we actually were defeated in an opposition day. Debate which given the majority we had was pretty much of a kicking actually at the time. So well. I think you're absolutely right. This is yet another communications failure by number ten yet another communications and strategic failure by Dominic Cummings. And what is he therefore if he isn't supposed to advise the prime minister on this sort of thing now? I thought it was ridiculous for Boris Johnson to have said that in the press conference that he only knew about it earlier that day he didn't. E- kind of. I thought show Mr it deliberately and I can't understand why he would do that deliberately. Because it makes you seem as if you're out of touch now I don't think. I don't think the prime minister should be spending his time on social media and watching television news programs all the time like Donald Trump does, but you would have thought that someone in number ten might have actually ran an alarm bell on this. Absolutely you know in the course in the thick of it. They famously Zeitgeist tape, which is put together for the prime minister to bring up to date with all of the sort of stutter. People talking about well. That's nonsense except that that sort of is the job of your advisors to be making sure that you're not looking like an out of touch, which is what did yesterday you know and as you say, that almost isn't his job, but somebody has failed and well I think this in in the end walls I would say Boris. Johnson grabbed victory from the jewels of defeat, but eight WISCON-, ended up, I'd say as a little. Little bit of a school drew and I. Think when that tweet went out from Labor saying, we did hear. They got huge ridicule for that. Have you seen that? Andrew Lawrence video of He's a comedian and he's sort of pretending to be lead to the Labor Party in this video on twitter I. Think I tweeted it last night. what Labor, party claims credit for basically everything that's ever happened in the history of the world it's. Very well. Hall. But. I think it's very interesting. Your opinion on this is in some ways guided by your own experience, because it cannot be pleasant to be on the receiving end of this kind of campaign because you know that if you if you say yes, you're going to be the hero of the day because. I think in the case of the is virtually the whole country would have agreed with it, but you them righty say yes, but then look what happened when you had all these. Gerke is coming over and living in absolute poverty. All shot the people of all too short. Don't think that was a good thing. Yeah. And, that was the argument that was being made by some of my colleagues at the time. So it is these things are very easy to say yes to. Laze are implications from them and you're absolutely right I. see how if there's lots of kin supporting poor children food school holidays this year. There's a logic supporting them every year now. Golfing that's completely legitimate, and it plays into a wider argument about the way in which child poverty you can make a strong case as being worse than under. In the last ten years of this government, but you know that that is. Sometimes with these campaigners and all credit to Marcus Rashford to Joanna Lumley numbers. They're focused on one issue in government. You focused on everything that you have to deal with. You know that's the only defense all. Those a little straw in the wind on politics live earlier on a Stela crease. Indian Duncan Smith were on. They were getting at it. Hammer and tongs on nice things, but instead of crazy was obviously say oh, this should be done every single summer. Blah! Blah, blah, an instead of saying absolutely not in duncan-smith didn't say absolutely should, but he said that his center for Social Justice for doing it all to work on this and I got the impression that he may well lead A. Lot of Taurean peas into saying okay cable. This should be every year now. interesting. So what will we'll see? Let's move onto the department for International. Development and I was recording something yesterday when somebody texted me to save Boris, about announced the abolition of different and I just texted yeah right. I. It their arguments for doing out didn't happen to agree with them. But I. my question was one now. What? Why announce this right now? because. If, they were going to do it you. You could say well okay, do it one Salafi! You don't really want the machinery of government to be concentrating on a new structure given that my civil servants have been told that they they're going to be working from home until Christmas. So certainly, some departments case so I I question the timing, but I also question the logic of it and I can see saying. Oh, we'll bring under foreign policy. It'll give away. It's bullock's though, isn't it? I'm really quite surprised at you I. Absolutely have turned. You have as something. I'm taking credit for this incident as well. Because, only would've thought you'd have been a sort of small government guy. Sort of you know foreign spent it at I gotTA. Talk shows how little you know. Who doesn't it because I've never been sort of person I'm. I've always believed that. Andrew Metro describes his country as an international aid superpower Ashley, Development Superpower and we are you. Look at the just the monetary figures forget anything else, and we are in both percentage terms and real terms bigger than any other country apart from the united. States, I think Sweden another Netherlands have a slightly higher percentage, and we have a record to be absolutely proud, of I, don't go to call a last night. Philip his name was who. Did say that with utter contempt because dripping the arguments I, mean you? You could have it. Was it was just? If, you said to somebody okay well. What are your arguments against internationally which to spend a home charity begins at home in so wasted because these dictators the Indian space. Programme Blah Blah Blah. And so you start sort of carry through each one of these, and you can tell that they're not willing to listen and his own. MUG INS to pay for it and said muggings three times so I, said. Okay Phillip I'll accept to mogens, but three Morgan's year out and then cut him off. Because, it is such lazy, thinking the soft power benefits that we get from this sort of thing I mean. There are lots of other benefits that we get from international development, and I'll be really saying that in a time of. Tragedy for the whole world that we should withdraw aid budget and actually hit some of the poorest people in the world for the sake of spending on free school meals here I. don't believe it's an either aw! Blimey and I. Do not disagree with a word that you said and. Honestly on. Be. I been involved obviously in some projects in some of the work that I do overseas funded by. Different I, do think I will Larry. Say qualitative difference in having a separate department for International Development that can develop the expertise that can focus on making sure. The money is being spent on the things that are going to aid development, and of course sometimes, that is going to rightly. Correspond to our national interests and overall as you've described, it's massively in our national interest to use that sort of soft power as well as being the right thing to do for the poorest people in the world. But I mean what's what strikes me here is. Closely I think you're right. That I can't quite understand why they're doing it now. Is it a sort of leftover from Dominic Cummings? Big Talk about machinery of government changes. Is it incidentally today? Sorry, not. Let's say Lake, did they? Did. They actually announced it yesterday. It precisely to correspond with the U. The Marcus Rashford free school meals, u-turn, or did they do the u-turn in order to slightly cover up? What was obviously going to be a row because the interesting thing here is? David Cameron very critical. I mean you would have expected Tony. Blair and Gordon Brown to think it wasn't a good idea, but the fact that David Cameron who as we've previously said on this podcast isn't always raising his head to to have a common trait felt it worth his while to publicly suggests that this was a bad idea onto. On his feet. Oh did he I didn't time. She, timed it like that. I mean the is suspect. There's no love lost between David Cameron and Boris Johnson, but nevertheless give David Cameron Hughes Ju- He always did make point of defending against his own party, sometimes the amount of money being spent on international development and the existence of of differed so. Fair dues to him for standing up. This particular time, but no, we are wholly in agreement here in I think is A. Bad decision for. Politically! It's a bad decision. In terms of the impact is going to have our influence. Viewing they both arguing that international development have a high profile if within the Foreign Office because it would be the Foreign Office clearly. One of the great departments of state. It's a big hitting department. is called two miniscule budget compared to anything else. Side I. Don't think going to be a secretary of State for international development around the cabinet table John Dominic Robb does anyone seriously believe that dominic? ROBB GETS International Development? I'm Marie. Retaliate outside. That comes that matter but. Well, and what sort of defense was I mean? The interesting thing is that doesn't seem to have been much of a defense being made I. don't know if there was a cabinet discussion. Who Agree to disagree as we've previously said I suspect the cabinet was all pretty supine about about this particularly, if it was a dominic cummings. Initiative, but now you're absolutely right. It will mean that that voice which is significant in terms of because sometimes it brings a different perspective to foreign policy to have both the foreign secretary and the Secretary of State for International Development in cabinet discussions about issues, international issues that voice will now be be gone. Presumably they'll do that thing whereby they'll have some ministers state in the Foreign Office. Minister of State with responsibility for International Development, tending the cabinet and they'll pretend. That's the same wrinkles we all know isn't. We should just to be fair. And again this argument that was put forward yesterday that I think every other country in the sort of top twenty donors operates that system where the their international development is part of their Foreign Office is any other country that has its separate But I I stood up really by I. Think you don't break something if it's working and it kind of is working at the moment, all of the stuff about all the wasted money that there was I mean particularly. I have to say what it started up with. One clash was Nash Development Secretary. She did a lot of good things, but that was an awful lot of money that went to places that it should not have gone to now that I'm sure. Sure still happens on the margins, but as Andrew Mitchell said yesterday, every expenditure over five hundred pounds has to be validated. They don't give it to governments anymore. They give it to NGOs today now. Clearly, there are risks that to you. You have a perfect system, but to pretend the a large percentage of the fourteen billion pounds that we spend on development aid is wasted is wrong. an that's where it is a shame that so few people actually go out. And Sell. Cell Development Projects 'cause, it's not just bailing people out of his actually development. It's actually enabling people to do things which they wouldn't have been able to do before it. Actually benefits are trade in the end. You look at Rwanda. which is the only place I've been where I've actually seen the effect of this money. reminder used to be a country totally under the influence of the French now clearly not just for. For a well partly for the reasons of what happened in nineteen, ninety, four, the disgraceful French behavior Rwanda is now a country, and obviously has a very autocratic regime, and all the rest of it, but it is a country totally under the influence of Britain is trading links with Britain are massive now compared to what they are, and that is partly because of the program an I've seen the project city of. This was thirteen years ago, but I mean that that kind of opened my eyes I think in a way that if I had been and I can't actually ever remember being somebody who's totally against Benin, lots of money on international aid, but that did kind of is a little bit. Given? P given your position and the fact that it doesn't seem to have gone down massively favorably with The Tory party's not like some great big punching the air. Yes, last Boris Johnson is doing what we all want him to do. Tight moment. Why is he doing? What is the? What's The thinking going through? Head or his head. You see this also. There's a real issue here of trust and you. Mitchell supported Boris Johnson in his leadership campaign because burst. Johnson but Satin Andrew Mitchell's office. All the other way round I looked him in the eyes and said the international development is safe I. WON'T I won't. Do I wouldn't change it. I wouldn't put it into the Foreign Office, and then less than a year later. That exactly what he's done, but of course the logic now is that if he's done that if you want to create the Super Ministry, you put the Department of International Trade in there as well, and you have all coordinated now I can be ridiculous thing today, but that's the logic. It just one final point on this This phrase culture balls has come to the fore lot this week and people are saying I mean Aishah, said it on her twitter. Feed when I was questioning the timing of it, she goes. What's cultural was in it. I! Don't think it really does fall into that category. Because of altering the machinery government doesn't really imply. Cultural, the I'm worried about the fact that this phrase is now in common usage because it is what's happening in America people always say well in America six months year two years later. It happens here and you can kind of see if people talk about it in the way that John. Bolton did when I had a little spat with him on Monday on his shea. You can self fulfilling prophecy. Yes. I'm not quite sure how it falls under the. Under the category of Culture Wars I have to say it's not the type of thing I think would have been sensible to do a particularly sensitive sensitive time like now I'm surprised that Boris, Johnson? Doesn't strike me that he's period in government as foreign secretary was his happiest or most successful, and therefore. I'm surprised that he has so much faith in the Foreign Office. I do have faith in the Foreign Office to do the job of the Foreign Office, but I'm surprised that this is the. Focus that Boris Johnson is decided to take this week very surprised. Right, his time fueled questions. I've seen a few questions on twitter of God quite fueled. Speak and email join to start off with the twitter one. Yeah. Let's start off with Nigel Fletcher. Who says further to Mondays tweets? We know you. That's me like Joan Hickson. Miss Marple Jackie could choice. which other classic sleuths do you enjoy for some lockdown? Escapism I'm planning to Binge emporer. The sadly underrated Kerry. Hetty Wayne from investigates. Joe. I'd never watched Haiti Wayne so you've you've introduced me to it I'm going to have to because I. Respect your view. I'M GONNA have to give a watch the other thing you know if you want some just really gentle sleuth, three Shakespeare and hathaway. have been sharing during the day over the last few years is great fun and really sweet. It's a bit like an even more ridiculous. MIDSOMER murders certain stratford-on-avon. and obviously nobody can. POIROT. Can't stand per. He's detective. You Know A. Fan I'm not particularly gina the worst one. What was that one the? That that floppy head comedian. He Salaun Somebody Allen Davis. Jonathan Craig Oh, my God, that was awful. It was the same former every single week. And you're thinking. This is just a outta shied. But it wasn't actually that wasn't really a it. That was more sort of comedy thriller retying. Wasn't it full. Over. How did it happen rather than? Have you been watching the pre poisonings? No I, haven't always bruce good. Yeah, it really is about the does does one weaknesses in the eight looks at it completely from the view of the Salisbury community and the police and the director of Public Health, most of is actually through the eyes of a female doctor, public health, and it's fascinating and they reconstructed it brilliantly, but the there's nothing about what was going on in Westminster Um hole in the security agencies and I I just thought they could've actually instead of three episodes they could have made it into five and actually done the whole thing properly whereas I mean. Maybe they're doing that separately. I don't know, but and you get a few news clips in it. Is, usually with Simon McCoy which they always use him in these things and I think they were actually genuine news clips, but am I thought they missed a slight trick there. I've watched two of them I'm going to review it in my reaction Column Fried 'cause I really happy. It's the sort of thing the babysit does brilliantly I think they ought to do a lot more overt. I was I will give it a look, and even more so if I'm going to be able to avoid the cringe genus of Jeremy Corbyn, suggesting that the samples should be sent over to Russia written order that they could be tested by the Russians as well but I do hope we can have those two Russian agents talking about how they visited Salisbury on the base. Of the spire. I've actually never been to solve review. I don't think I have. Not I mean they got lovely could leave you with a very nice spiral shape we we've got a question from someone later. He's very offended. The I haven't been to Bristol more than once, but. Anyway. Let's move on Robin White. says an I don't really understand why he's asking this. What is the most racist food or Syria leave Eytan? Is that something happened that that relates to the. Hukou, never racist, food or cereal. It's that. We don't think you can say sorry anyway. He has a proper question I recently. I recently entered a new relationship. Is there a certain length? Of Time. Before. That really was a good laugh. Is there a certain length of time before chef photos of us? The happy couple on social media well, of course we do know someone else has entered a new relationship. When can we look forward to your photos Jackie? I've. I've gone slightly Ghana unnecessary. What sort of as a you're looking? At US number ones right. Okay, okay. No no food well. Yes, you share yours, but I not sharing. You should also now. We've played that. He has met some of my family now. Though say really yes, I'm how to. Very very well because he's a lovely person in my family, a lovely to with a we I'm very glad because that's a ways quite difficult. One isn't because I wasn't allowed to see me. John's parents were year. If that. He met my parents before I met his he. He has a slightly different memory of all of this. But because because my parents when we met didn't know about my. Sexuality. So but he met them fairly early on I think it was a year before I met his parents. What was he worried you were going to do? What was? He was worried? I think the he had. He had been in a ten year relationship and Molly never listened to this, but I just tells him on talking about because he's a very private person and I think it was because he just wants to see if it was going to last, because she'll be say I hadn't talked to. My track record relationships was probably lasting about twenty minutes. That is a very fair clift. Europe. Polish obviously. You wouldn't believe the number of questions I'm getting e mail that mentioned that that has become a thing. I T's your little. And if you and for those of you who don't know what this is, all of our, I'm not going to repeat it. You'll have to listen to whichever upset. I related the then. It was about. Should we say rather speedy encounter? Up? I think it's sensible to I'm slightly arguing against my own actions here now but I think it is sensible particularly, if for a family A. Previous partner that's been around for a long time is sort of a big thing for. For some for you to change your partners as well but Yeah. It's. It's my case good. Right, let's have a speak pipe. Question his his one from Jonathan Isabey. It's Jonathan. Is Abi hair long standing friends podcast with a question very much for uncle. Jackie for the Wednesday hold cost. On it's this. People say you'll always remember your first time and for me. It finally happened on Saturday just gone. Foundation Cappelli. Thing, the someone like really respected been encouraging me for youngsters. Take the plunge. promised. An enjoyable sensual experience like folks. Repeat again and again so. Happens. I confess. I felt a little underwhelmed. Lost Very long off. I found myself thinking. Bo was that it's. It, just didn't quite live up to the hype and expectation. So my question is this avoid the review of been similarly disappointed by first encounter. Unless you character by the way. I'm talking about my first mid Magnum. Well I'm very disappointed. That Jonathan wasn't as overwhelmed by. As most of our other listeners who've tried them everyone who's tried them for the first time and said they've really liked them so but there's always one isn't there. I can tell you for a fact that whether or not is Marvin. Wait trolls or moving Iceland the section where the magnums should be is wholly emptier. It was the last time I looked because I'm really flipping fancied among them the other day and there was not one to be bought in Melvin. So Jonathan what I would say to. You may is quite often the first time. Isn't so great, but it's worthwhile continuing on with it and to find. Very definitely, can I just say this does not incidently relate to my experiences? But obviously from the way back. When I was. Yeah, that's. There is a new magnum out now. It's double chocolate. Is it Rosbif strobe rate That's a rather nice and granted bit partial to them as well. With the pink, the pink can no, no, it isn't. It. Scott Scott sort of like a chocolate, bre, Brown rapper, but a double chocolate outer coating, and then there's sort of strawberry liquid between the chocolate and the ice cream, and then the ice cream and it's lovely. DECADENT ON A. Do do like an ice cream I. always kid myself a calls the orange lollies, which I quite liked those particularly ones from out suspense as I was kid myself, so th they really healthy. But it cool full of sugar. I'm. Tunga will orange as well which is a good look at. Nine! Right your turn. Four the many. PODCAST fan says how many times in your adult life have you moved house? Member golly. Does it sort going to different places each year university. Or not are you in your students? one two, three four. About five in my case I think I've heard one. Two. Three four. Yeah I've had five. Waltham stay olive dogs. Tunbridge Wells Tunbridge. Wells touch wells. They. And will you be. Will you be moving. Again anytime soon. Well, we are looking to most lock stock and barrel to Norfolk at least I think we are I'm not sure that John Docile time an I mean. We're getting older Zepa and write me profit property as they start to come through again actually, but some of the prices I mean apparently I'm told that house prices are actually going up at the moment. Whereas I just thought they would be carrying down I. I think a certain levels in the market. They might be coming up. But I looked to my mind next year is there's going to be an Almighty house price crash. given what is likely to happen in the economy say. You can say, it's swings and roundabouts, but let's power to me. That would like to buy a property to sell a property now and then by next year, but you can't really do that comey. So unless you rent I, suppose. And if my la. Self. Bruce Collingwood has written a Limerick, which actually I think is one of the best what he's actually written to lyrics, one of which are not going to read out. But I'm country this one out. With political views ten a penny. This podcast is not just like any with Jackie's big jugs and ends new mugs which they sell to the few, not the many. Did you the Patriot the knee mugs by the way absolutely so those real. This so there's new marks with our cartoon faces on. Is that right? Yes? Sort of slightly upmarket ones a blue. Blue Rim. Could be more could be much more low market, could they? The Blue Rim and a blue handle? I think they can do red ones as well so I thought I might do to get them to do a batch of red ones about of blue ones and to see the political affiliations of our listeners. So I'm going to put the put that the blue one on sale on the website later on today I think to get preorder now I'll have them in about two weeks time, but I really. Think. If a moment galaxy. Well with us on office, the at can people beginning to get whole sets of this I think. What you need to do in is you need to start a waiting list? Opportunity, so people could have their whole wedding list made up of. Much. I don't think so. I do. Chris one of our listeners I've sent him to fool. The many podcasts mark so for each one that has been smashed in the post by Hermes so I've now got to send a third one, so that's not going to be very profitable as it. You Chris isn't pulling a fast one. You basically tried to get lots of free mugs by saying. They've been smashed now he has. Chris. Who Have you know he has He's GonNa. Remarkable email name error rate cafe. which does make me wonder what I mean if he likes scenario, VC probably deslize smashing things up, but he sent me pictures because he's very honest boy, so he's getting another one today Says Bit padlock because I've only had about eight or nine smashes of about five hundred bucks off Centaur, which isn't a bad. Ratio at ain't think right time for another question. Those your turn, but also speak piping may okay. Natasha Panteli Pantelic says. If you had to reshape a government department, which would it be? What would you change and why and she says? The podcast long. May it continue so this is our opportunity to develop on a slightly more humorous manner or interesting manner, our discussion on deferred. What would you do? I would probably. Abolish the departure of departure, the Department for Culture Media and choirboys. No Well I. Don't do that, you can. Case Simpson. Put All I'm okay. I'll put it back where it came from I. Suppose I just don't see Isabella non-import. Yup I probably would put most of it back in the home of his actually i. don't see the need. It's one of those departments where if you I mean I'd loved to be Secretary of State for the for that department I'm you can make lots of worthy speeches. You can go to lots of lovely events, but in terms of actually affecting real change. What can you do as a minister in that department, not all floor. I think yeah, yeah, not I'm arguing machinery of government, and I'm not saying I'm not saying it should be done, but if I, if if you if you said which one department would you pick? I think that would be it. You, what seriously has been unsuccessful? And that was the big who are that was made about the Department of Health becoming the Department of Health and social care, because of course in one way to always had social care, and when I was a minister in that department of Health between two thousand and one and two, thousand and three. I had responsibility adult social care, and in fact, children's social care in that department, then the funding of course goes through local governments, and there's always been an important role played by the Department of local governments in that, but the idea that suddenly you going to break down the barriers between health and social care by calling the department, Health and social care has been utterly proven to be nonsense, even before we got to the corona virus pandemic, when actually distinctions, but as we've discussed before between the to sectors have been absolutely stark and. Holds the typically tragic in terms of some of their well to be fair I think it was a symbolic thing to begin with and then it was also pushed aside by Corona Virus I'm if you're going to have appropriate department of Health and social cat, all the funding has to come from that department, but because the funding at the monument local authorities. I have to say I think is what all only believe. They are the Department of Health Social Care when that system is changed, right? Here is a question from James. Jackie this is James in Bristol first of all love the podcast. Keep up the good work and I was shocked to hear recently. You said that you've only ever visited Bristol once in your lifetime, I know I'm biased. Bursts are really do think grizzlies, one of the most interesting beautiful cities in the U. K. and whenever I hosted friends for the week, and they've always said how wonderful in cosmopolitan city it is, so if you're ever in our neck of the woods, it would be more privileged to show you around on Jackie as well if she sees a three mark, even take her up. The suspension I was just wondering. Does, the patient crystalline. What was your impression of Ace and also keeping Worcestershire? I'm guessing you probably come down the five a bit more often. When if ever do you visit Breslin on? What is your impression of the? Is Again. Keep up the good work. Love the PODCAST. Debates is brilliant and very much appreciate cranky. He sounds like a local radio presented, doesn't. What's a nice enthusiast, young fellow even though. Enough to there in terms. He did say take your up the suspension. I visited Bristol the more times that obviously than you have because I had a boyfriend who lived in Bristol. I agree with him. I think Bristol is a great city. It's one of my favorite cities actually in the UK and. I it is. It is really lively and cosmopolitan and interesting in terms of its history. As we've seen in recent weeks, so I would highly recommend that you take James up on his offer. What I'm thinking I might be going to Bristol in October to speak about my book. And assist canceled on just looking at my. Rapidly declining events list at the moment yeah, we are Bristol Festival of Ideas James is becoming their lunchtime on the sixteenth of October. I shall be in conversation with Margaret Heffernan talking about my book so James. Come to see me then you can take me out in Bristol afterwards. Whether you take me up the suspension, not time will tell. And then later that day I'm going to be at the wells festival of literature. And then the next day I'm at the theme. Is it same or tame fame, isn't it? It. In conversation with Anti Mond. And then the next day, I mean compensation was Steve Allen at Twickenham Theater, the exchange theater in Twickenham. It's a busy few days about the canceled. Heading down to the southwest then I'll mostly is in the southwest you hope for the apple doors well in North Devon which hungry today now I've got a whole load of things lined up in the autumn, but that was one that fell by the wayside last week showroom. They've canceled their event table, but I just hope that. Most of them can continue. Right another question from you. Know a Keat says they're Auntie, Jackie and Uncle Ian had to live in any borough of London. Which would you choose and why? He's always house. Interesting questions know wherever somebody just lanes know. Somebody's complained that you always outs. Oscar questions question from him. And why don't they get that questions also than Ryan who is? On tonight, but come to to. I would. If I moved back to London, I would live in the London borough of tower hamlets. Now that surprised you that well, because because I like Docklands. That's where I would live either around sort of the bit of the Highway Lime House or where I used to live on the olive dogs splash. I just love the area. And I like sort of southeast London. Which is where I I'm when I'm in London. I was boone south the river I was actually born in Clapham and I always will chew south of the river over north of the river. Yeah I'm. I don't really I mean I drive down the Elkin road and that way to go home. Often I'm not sure that I would want to live, so their Greenwich Blackheath Lewisham that doesn't particularly. Grab me at why I think. I think it would be Wimbledon. would. Yeah I'm head is lovely, so that's where that's where my sister's house is. And there is a fabulous cemetry which we back onto, and it's just it's very. Good shops on the. Because I'd love to live next to a cemetery. It's an nobody. It's amazing of Gothic Cemetery. Tell you what if you look out over a symmetry? It's much more peaceful looking out over a road or having somebody you know house. Backing onto you looking at you. Don't one tiny. I want to have a house. That's sort of inside if anybody else. Well you wouldn't choose to live in the London then. Why don't. Honestly. Now! See. That's the thing looking for houses in Norfolk. I'm John. Quite live in marriage which I like noise. I love marriage. And found a house that but it sort of looks as if it's actually in the country, but it's actually slagging the center of knowledge. but we're not really ready to get this house ready to the market and believe me. There's a lot to be done to it before it can. Right this is from. Chris, who says you actually the same Chris for WHO's getting the third full many Mug? which you come by the way bye-bye the way he go to politicos DOT CO DOT UK to take you through to might shop. Ugly and Anti Jackie in you mentioned the podcast that you and John would be celebrating your anniversary soon. It got me thinking what what yours and Jackie's I dance songs at your respective weddings. A We actually celebrated our twelve anniversary on Monday. I say celebrated I was treated to most suspensive shepherd's pie for Diana. Really. Never, you you'll is but the thing that was a lame Matha. He said where we're flowers, not. We agree we didn't do that sort of thing anymore. Well, he's agreed. He's not cooking. You can't. After twenty five years. Well. Anyway? What was your I? Don So! Thirty? Three years ago, no more than thirty three thirty four years ago and In those days, it wasn't so much the thing that you had that first answer. Nowadays people sort of go to dance lessons and all of that stuff. Don't I don't yes? People do whole routines and everything so I know this makes me sound turbulent romantic, I know I did do a sort of vaguely smooch e shuffle around the dance floor with miles start the dancing, but I can't remember the soul, and it wasn't really practice anything so maybe I'll wedding on Sunday deliberately say because then we didn't have to do all do budding disc thing so? Everybody. Seven o'clock. No, it was great. We, we we we hard to castle as well. How how? How is that if you don't do an evening, do how do you get the family into a massive great big brawl? County. How do you drink too much eastern some? Don't you trust trolls all things everybody loves about exactly. That's why we made home at seven o'clock. However, there is a there is a second part to his question. He says I do also have a strange fantasy that you. Anti Jackie will someday tied the knot. Jackie. Will you take in surname? Jackie Smith Dale Sounds Very White Trays Tony Walking Jackie down the aisle. Granddad Nigel is best. Man Caroline Flint maid of honor, and would issue has a Rica as bridesmaids. Loving. What will be the first dawn's? Will the marriage be consummated on the night of the wedding? Happened, Then after jess bluffs out some Karaoke, will the dance with all with the dance law to Abbas greatest hits and Darts along with Lord, Lord and Lady Prescott to debrief, water night. So much doing. Isn't it without lineup? I loved. The idea of fat is my fantasy Paul say? The first I like yourself him by. Yeah, you have Chris it honestly you're going to be making a speech. Mate I think it's raining. MEN WILL BE I. Okay me on getting the invites designed. Say anything you'RE GONNA wear. Aren't gonNA art. Fancy. I had quite a nice wedding outfit, but it was nineteen eighty-seven, and it's rather nineteen eighties, so it was a short skirt with a peplum and law. Well A peplum. Cheese. Wouldn't you get an extra frill around your waist? That SORTA goes frills out. It was the type of thing that you did a lot of the nineteen. If you have a pair for larger doesn't lots. No good thing is I know you have. Well, actually my arse is quite slender, given the rest of my physique. Did you. See this is gonNA. Sound a bit pervy. I, I. I have to say I've always been partial to shoulder pads, not for myself though I, if I see show deposit amount suitable to mightily by you ever see Ellen in your time of. We'll show the PATS. One of course I was because in the nineteen eighties we all had the old shoulder pads, and even into the early nineties, so when I started doing selection conferences for parliamentary seats I had some favorite jackets and I can tell you they absolutely all had shoulder pads in them, but the point of it is or what it makes you look powerful to. Of course it makes you waist. Look smaller. xactly right. Your turn I think. Mark Norris says for my fourteenth birthday. My wife treated me to a night at the Dorchester after a few drinks, booze and Shenanigans. I walked out naked into the corridor, looking for the Lou door shots and a wife drunk couldn't hear me knocking for twenty minutes. I think that is a tool story because every room would have a toilet. Absolutely but You I suppose you might if you were sort of dazed with. Drink and love. Take the wrong door, but anyway his question is. Have you had an embarrassing hotel moment? Oh my God i. When I first was elected to parliament, and before you find your place to live, you stay in a hotel stay in hotels and I can remember getting back to that hotel just south of the river, but opposite Lambeth Palace. Very late one night after parliamentary business and being given a key. Going up to the room, opening the door, walking onto people in bed. Done that. was. Full I can't remember how it happens the Y'all have done that I. Think I've had someone walk. You know maybe before I have also had somebody walking on me, yeah. But that was in a slightly dodgy BNB where the doors didn't really properly. We've all been to the. Pepsi, would. Offer me something but. I was listening back to an old episode of this recently, because of a lack of anything better to do lockdown. and. I did retail thing about being a hotel in key west where all the doors basically left open all night. If you get much left, yes, yes, so. Did you drift I? Didn't move at all while I did move. But I didn't I didn't go in sample. The delights elsewhere. I let people some my delights state until people people can in some. I remember a particular one. You have to remember the I was making I was. No No, you didn't talk. You just sort of get down to it. Oh, I need people listening. Right when you are when you find somebody that you very very much like, and then you are with them for a long time, and then you get married then you can have a special couple. These don't listen to don't listen to. You ought to the nineteen fifties. I mean you have to bear in mind that this was in the upbeat about nine, hundred ninety three, and I was sort of making up for lost time because I hadn't really. Should we say partaken much before that? And there are there are there is sort of etiquette in these things why the person comes through the door, and if you don't like the look them, just sort of light turnover buffet jet like the look, if you they just leave. Obviously, no one in my case. The which way? What justice if you haven't really noticed them? You. Put this in snore wrong. Oh those were the days i. Now before I take myself into any more trouble. Now deem how. Says in the hope of creating some inter listener rivalry. What's no keep doing right? That I'm doing wrong? He gets his question. Read our every bloody week. And he has done this week as well dame, but so are you. He asked during Jackie's time as chief whip. Which backbench Labour MP did she most wanted to take her leather whip to. We all know the answer to this one day we. Know Wall who Diane Up. Oh I see! Oh, so I thought it was. Who did I fancy Try Mind. Oh. Yeah, sorry We'll. Now I had a bit of an up and down, but I mean. Give the women a Jewish. She turned up when I summoned. Clash shorts I think I said this the other week. In clash short to come into ought to me she she resigned the whip there and then in order to not come and have that conversation. So her on the television station doesn't look any different. Good. I can remember her seeing her as one of the first political interviews I so after the nine hundred nineteen three election. there was a program on Anglia television. Come what it was cool. It was A. Ten minute program where they had a conservative and labour an pay on. Hosted by Brian Connell who had a very good beard. and. She was on with MP The I was working for Patrick Thomson who was very very polite and reserved former schoolteacher up. but so very much old school teacher and I. Just a schoolteacher I know he was present directly the opposite of you and And I thought this isn't going to end well because I. just thought she'll eat it eating for breakfast, but actually he was so you polite and that she just couldn't bring herself to lay into him. I was Roth Light Clare Short. I really liked Clare Short so and apart from obviously, we fell out and. Had that row, but will not had that route, but no I have a massive amount of time for short still do. Right Police says I've written to you before. With my concern, the Anti Junkies potty mouth might result in my toddler picking up some unsavory language I was delighted when Jackie offered full to take full responsibility. Should this occur? Now the schools are closed I. also have my six year old at home all day and fish. She's even more prone to picking up inappropriate language, not to mention the questions that might arise if she over hears in talking about his Polish friend. Let's see what told you my problem is this. Should I forgo listening to you and miss out on your witten wisdom? We'll take the risk that my daughter will return to school in September while I in smart. Can you get a pair of headphones I? Know you'll being a good parent listening out for your children all of that stuff, but couldn't get a pair of not noise canceling headphones so that you can be listening to the podcast and listening out for any screams from your children at the same time. I think you just need to worry when your six year old says to her teacher I'm. Why is it? The Intel has pose over so quickly. Going Phillips Alex Phillips Asks. Why is it difficult for some to put up with discomfort and where a mosque isn't it enough to know? It may protect others and in turn ourselves. There seems to have been less resistance in some other countries. I'm referring to cove it because it's the Wednesday pulled veer into given piff needed. We'll have them all yet so I have no idea of they're painful. Well tomorrow! Who is the first time that I will be going to the hospital to work since the rules changed, which means that we all need to wear masks I will go be going in my car so I want me to wear on public transport, but I will be wearing one to walk into the hospital, so that will be my first time, and I don't smoke fetching some checked material ones so I should be wearing something suitably coordinating with. Garish ties which Ado. Paul Van Bark while I got an email from fan the other day. They're not doing face coverings with all sorts of Garish ones on so my older one of those for when I venture, decide to venture out Somebody suggested for the many face masks, but I don't really think people want. You will on their lips today. People would quite like you or me on their face to be honest. To you think so. She'll I conducted a survey monkey pole. That that word again. right you can choose. We can have one more speak pipe. Do you want a speak pipe from? John? Ian Adam Harry Allen Baz. Mike Graham. Oh my God, such a choice of men Grab. You might regret this one owner. I haven't listened to it, but. Hi I'm. Shay? Dart Jackie and unclear. Over, most shops have reopened and addresses haven't and they're all looking like hippies. Anti Jackie Jimmy Lanka headlong off on the whole. Does she prefer shots? Great Bushy. Graham. No. No No, no, no, no! I'm no. I'm simply saying I've got a hair appointment, but not until the twenty fourth of July, because I didn't get in earlier enough with my hairdresser. Be No K for your head to look a bit shit during this period once a hairdresser open again. That's going to be this horrible division between people who've had their hair appointments and people who are still waiting for this so I'm essentially not going out for the whole of July because my hair will rubbish. But you can still see on good morning Britain every Friday. Week Peter Anderson says with yesterday marking the anniversary of the Death Joe Cox I wonder if you can remember where you were when you heard the knees, and how you responded for years on. Do you net the irony in that? We promised to learn from her death and love like J., when our politics has become even more divisive since pulsing. I would say listen to the podcast that be posted earlier today because he'll get while you'll send. You got the answer by rivals in not I'm what about you? So I was in my house in Malvern when I heard about it and I actually went out i. mean obviously a we were. It was incredibly upsetting and I actually went out for a walk around a nature reserve in Knitter Melvin. Had actually been with Joe and Brenton and the kids when they were tiny, and they'd come to visit in Moldovan just to sort of. Think about her and be sad and. You know because it was such a devastating thing to happen. The only comfort I think that lots of people were able to get. Yesterday is the way in which lots of people you know, not just through the Jokes Foundation, but obviously I'm proud of that, but in lots of other ways. Joe's find us and the things she cared about the activity she was involved in. Have managed to live on through for example the great get together. That's happening this weekend fru some of the. I've I also of course involved through women's network with training, women which we do in the Labor Party through the jokes women in leadership. Scheme so there are lots of ways. The her sort of can do attitude on her strong. Of working together to get things done, I'll still happening, and that's the the only thing. That you could take out of such a tragic event, but it something she would have been I'm I hope she would be pleased about and I. Hope we go some way to living up to her energy and just her share. Drought Aviv for a willingness to get things done. While I was on the radio I she had to announce a death on the RADII. which was an incredibly difficult thing to do. Now I'd never matter, so you might be will. Why was it difficult and I think it was because everyone involved in politics in whatever way felt that very keenly, and the fact that it was such a shocking way to lose your life and. As I relate on the podcast from earlier Stephen Kinnock. Who shared an office with her and the combs came on and. mean we we both kind of lost. BET which. was tightly understandable in the circumstances, but it was. It's one of these days are she'll never forget. Quantitative back to being humorous off to that. Isn't that term? Here's a sort of like harping hall. Expected it. Sir in East Sussex says Auntie Jackie and I'm Kelly and I have had a fascination for accents and dialects and studied English language in linguistics some years ago. Something we have in common their anti German linguistics often find myself working working out if people's as long if they're also are robotic, and whether they dropped their yards, my dissertation was on the feature of yield dropping in East Anglian varieties of English so Ian. Have you ever dropped your yards and both of you? Have you ever had strong accents? And what was or phrases might be considered particular to where you grew up. I, did not she. What guilty is? What do you? How do you drop you your but no. I mean there are different. They're all different accents in east Anglia by grew up. It was sixty miles from Cambridge and I've never I don't think I've ever had what would be described as the sort of. North Essex Suffolk Cambridgeshire Twang because there is one. My Dad got a bit, have I? Yeah I would say yeah really. Done well, my dad's certainly had my mother didn't even though she spent all her life in east, Anglia An, the problem I think that there is with at least and yet accent is people think you're a bit simple particularly if it's a really broad suffolk or Norfolk, accent. Simple. Is Heavily read Nikon Right, you can drive a tractor. That sort of thing, isn't it? It's the same in the Westcountry actually there. They're great similarities I think in how people discriminate in terms of accidents and people who have a received English accent. People think that that while off if you have a Birmingham accent or Liverpool accident I. Think People that you're thick. An and you shouldn't generalize. But space. It's understandable why people do. I came from I was born in London lift in Hartford until I was about eight, and then we moved to the West Midlands and I think if I've got any accent at all it probably. has kept a slight sort of. Well. We'll we'll. Didn't we develop this sort of? Sort of sort of history English type thing so if I've got anything, I suspect it's that I. Don't think I've got a west. Midlands excellent my cates who were born in new to share in Redditch. Do have. West Midland's accent and at six o'clock evening. Hearing on the villa. You'll have an even. We'll have even. Before, you switch over to my show, you mean. and. I of course. Back tonight for a couple of. It's going to be great. Yeah, no. One Bite So. I can listen to Denise I. Don't need to listen to you. Got Another one. No it's help us to, isn't it? You've got to go. All right, okay person coming round to look at my. Spare! What? What are your watcher? I'M GONNA. Have fitted. Really. Times, of that hard. Not to fact, it's the room that my son is sleeping at at the moment, love essentially said to him right I'm converting this room to addressing room, so somebody's coming. Of like. Bedroom if you throw him out his own bedroom. Got Mind of do. A! 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Trump cost where we use the insane ramblings of the front off of a pantomime central to explain the article. Fallacies i'm your host jim. I'm your host. Mark logical fallacy is an error in reasoning that results in bad or invalid arguments and logical fallacy. We're looking at this week. Is a new one identified by gm code ignoring linear time. Yes so long. Time listeners. Will know that. Sometimes i make up slash identifying a new look actual your mike them up as drug. Identify a common error in reasoning. That i don't that doesn't really fit into any of the kind of traditional already. Identify categories And it's anyone can do this. It's not a rule. The after be somewhere official. So yeah. It's all logical fallacy is is a is a culinary reasoning that someone's identified and what i noticed was actually i was kind of thing in the semi regular level so i think the first one i did was episode forty four and then almost eleven later on fifty six and i did six and this is seventy seven. So they go. Here's another and this one is ignoring linear time so basically this is when someone suggests that because something hasn't already happened will been done therefore it either weren't born can't happen will be done right. And that's right there's a few variations over the we'll see but they will kind of basically fit that that same idea and obviously this isn't true because through everything that happens or is done. There was a time before it happens. When if someone said what hasn't happened yet so it's not gonna happen they would have been yet puts me mind off somebody at some stage said the tunes are ever likely to be to be written have been britain. Yeah it's an extremely coin. Patent people have said everything that was ever going to be invented. It's been invented by now and things like that. Was roy the seventeen hundreds steam. Yeah yeah and when you're living. I think in a in a less Accelerated technological environment. I can see how you would think that when the most up to date stuff. You've got is pretty impressive. The and you haven't seen an incredible change over the years. Then you think this is it. This is the peak. We don't wanna get better than this parole business. Stonehenge for the summer solstice on the twenty. First yeah there will that we'd never gonna make anything. That's this is a one story by. Yeah that was really hard stein on top of other times without folding over we it this is the peak of technology is never gonna get any better than this until all comes up and goes prevented. Lebron's zacks top shots. So i from trump comes from his second debate with biden and this was really his own neon cuban in the entire debate. The kind of he tried to make. I guess just because he can't keep moving a couple of things in his head at once so this was a amongst all his practice was one thing he remembered. Say over and over again which was basically. Whenever biden said anything he would do when president. They should not be going to jail for a drug or an alcohol problem. They should be going into treatment. Treatment that's what we've been trying to do. That's what i'm going to get done. Because i think the american people have now seen that in fact it was a mistake to pass those laws relating to the drug but they were not in the crime bill. But why didn't he get it done. See it's all talk. No action with his politicians. Why didn't he get it. That's what i'm gonna do when. I become president you vice president along with obama as your president your leader for eight years. Why didn't you get it done yet. Eight years to get it done now. You're saying you're going to get it done because you're all talk and no action. We got a lot of it done. We really thirty eight. Thirty eight thousand prisoners left from you got nothing thirty. Eight thousand prisoners were released from federal prison. So joe she handle this ready well because he did point out that well he didn't point out you can say that about anything. I say i'm going to do. Why haven't you done it. But he did point out that they had already done a lot of stuff towards this goal also kind of ignore the fact that the republicans would have blocked absolutely they try to at the time and then he says that's the problem with you politici- all talk and no action Okay so what are you. Then trump yeah either not a politician so therefore you can get away with all talk and no action. Yeah it doesn't apply to here. Yeah but the the most egregious version of. I think happening i debate. He says he's smart because he can take advantage of the tax code and he does take advantage the tax code. that's why i'm going to eliminate the trump tax cuts and we're going to eliminate those taxes and make sure that we invest in. The people who in fact need to help people out. There need help. But why did he do it. Over the last twenty. Five years i've become president screwing things up. You or senator worst whereas america's ever had so i'm going to reverse the trump tax cards. Why didn't you twenty five years ago during question if you paid attention for two minutes rather than just determining what you had say who actually listened. Yeah for the how. How he thinks carries any kind of white toll. It trying to push the burden of of action back onto biden. Boy saying the things you gotta do the i put in place. Why didn't you get rid of those twenty years ago before the twenty one years before i put price. Yeah and also why pick on twenty five years ago rally with. Yeah yeah yes. But he's also has done it with a hillary when about hillary's chances of ever combating isis. When he said this so they started as a very small little seedling and they grew out of the vacuum left by the way we got out right the vacuum in iraq and they grew right now. They're thirty two countries thirty two countries. And she's been there if she could've stopped him. She would've done it already. I'll stop so again if she could have stopped them. Shoot of ory suggests that. I suggest it's easy. And therefore the fact that she had any power tool as sectors essentially means the if it was possible for her to have done it. It wouldn't have taken very long and so she would have already done it. Yeah so skipped over the fact that she probably didn't have sufficient power to be able to do that. Stuff actually was. Yeah and if it was due to the absence of american presence in afghanistan wherever then than isis grew out of that and then what would they do send backing. Yeah yeah which. And trump was all about getting the troops out of afghanistan because we will not be there anyway so he has no compunction about thinking well okay so we'll make another vacuum which will get replaced always to put our troops out syria. Yeah and now is the time. I think mocks. British politics seems to be the usual case. british politician conned of a void. The these direct. I think any politician is the american isn't prior to trump. Probably also avoid these direct and fairly crude accusations serie remarks so even boris his favorite thing acts of calling stammer kissed on leader. The opposition captain hindsight you would think would yield examples of a world. You already done so much why. Why didn't you do it then. And i think the problem. We have currently in british bullet. Puff polars is that storm has never been in power. He only became your labor in two thousand fourteen. Labor hasn't been in power for over a decade and the lack of stuff getting dumb and coaling up that goes you know notwithstanding trump did it with biden's twenty five years ago it's plainly something. Boris doesn't want to talk about because the lack of something dumb is due to the party that he belongs to a my example of it comes from channel four news report about home secretary pretty patel new immigration and asylum roles from march twenty one twenty sixteen. The british people withdrew their consent to be governed in part by the european union. They will say withdrew the support for broken immigration system we therefore have a democratic mandate and imperative to fix it so in the light of that that kind of positioning this as a broken immigration system. So that we can. Then i haven't gone democratic. We know that and nor do they have an imperative to fix. It's fundamentally populist politics to be the party of controlling immigration So in the light of this announcement channel news. Cathy newman asks chris. Philp the minister of remigration compliance and justice. This crystal conservatives have been in power now for eleven years if this system is broken. Why haven't you fixed it before now. What until just a few weeks ago. of course. We were in the common european asylum. System the so-called dublin system. So now left that of the beginning of january. We have an opportunity to fundamentally we look at the system which we are now taking today. In addition to that the legal system has evolved over time with k store and so on making the system difficult to operate and requiring fundamental reform. So basically kind of just toeing the party line throwing in that pesky lawyers have pointed out the illegalities of what the government's trying to we saw that pal eagle complication stuff mostly happened under the stories exactly so the catholic caffeine is exactly right when she says she she deliberately employs the fallacy. You've been in power for eleven years if it was broken. Why haven't you fixed it before now. So the you know. The implication is this thing's been your. You haven't done it yet. Why on it now. So he goes out of his way to avoid taking any responsibility for that instead of well. I don't know whether he's not probably isn't it whether he's smart enough not to fall for the fallacy but he's failing to counter it. What it should be could have said is just because he hasn't been done yet doesn't mean we aren't able to do it now. You know the one of the ways Like as by news to cancer with office example Is a few things you can point to to say these all steps we've taken toward solving this problem. Yeah yeah then the helps and yeah if it is something that would easily be fixed could easily be fixed. And you'll still saying yeah we're going to the. It's it's reasonable site. Why haven't you already done it. Yes yes or what they're saying is it's all your fault. Yeah but the main thing is most of these. Things aren't easy to be based but the person who's being asked is claiming it's an easy fix claiming they know how to do it. A just like with trump. Saying argh i can i'll head out license by setting it opposite easy thing when you then when you then cut do people can say well. You said it easy. Yes so they kind of so. What they're doing is is not saying. It's something we can fix. The saying will now. The europeans are out of the way we can mend the broken system. But actually what they're doing is clamping down on the lawyers who have fighting the illegality of what they're doing you know and and pretending that got a mandate to do that and a moral imperative to do that. Well they haven't. It's just what the tories do because populist thing to do and so yeah he could have just said if we feel. It's an older and wiser. Politician will come to an example of that in a minute. He could have said well. You know as well as i do that that's a fallacy. What you've just said there is of is fallacious argument that that would have disarmed her but he doesn't because he's a politician and if he could cause they hadn't been identified until but until fifteen minutes. Yeah you wouldn't right yes exactly but anyway. Needless to say don't buy waffle kassy's follow up. Question is this. Do you accept. Though that over the years that the conservatives had been empower the home of is actually got worse at managing assistance so for example ten years ago there were almost forty two thousand returns and removals in twenty nine hundred had fallen to just over nineteen thousand yellow. I'm secretary said very clearly today. The system is broken. Yeah but so they so he wasn't able to say unlike you know we've at least three hundred thousand people the figures. Are you know terrible. Because if you're the party that returns more illegal immigrants and any other policy. Ten years ago to may was the home secretary. Remember theresa may and yeah. Is that one who she failed to. Continue to enact certain border controls that are available under the eu agreement which conveniently led to the stance on the leave campaign for brexit. Keep the foreigners out because you let us which wasn't true and we talked about that year probably years ago. That was a lie and pretty still peddling that with us that prevents us but also it's circular reasoning. Isn't it because he kind of said well. It's a broken system. It said well you haven't fixed it yet but because we were able to as the numbers have gone down ba- whilst you've been in power that's the system is broken this same system that enabled you to deliver x thousand forty two thousand ten years ago. The systematic changed a now only returns. Nine hundred thousand so you broke it. That's yeah on our jesus. Christ you see the the so as far as the british comes concern breathing a sigh of relief. Because i continue to blame it on. The bill of blames everything on kobe. They can continue to blame it on the europeans because they put pesky little things like humans rights legislation in amongst the treatment of refugees immigrants asylum seekers but now they can get rid of all of that and go. Well yeah we can keep brown people out you know and to prevent things like the delta variant coming into england at all know that all went horribly wrong then so the second example is in two thousand fifteen the The tory candidate for the mayor of london. Zac goldsmith said this by far the biggest challenge. London faces is housing. Now the answer is not easy but it is simple. So how does that do anything to do with the fallacy. Well this that quote. It's not easy but it's simple comes from the labour pair who is looking into housing. The housing crosses During the labor administrations are under blair and brown. And he's called andrew. Donny's yes really. He's really cold load donors and he wrote an article called how to fix housing crisis and the article begins in my experience of public policy and government big challenges do not always require complex solutions often. The essential reforms a simple. I'm also wary of the gibe. If it was simple it would have been done already. But this confuses simple with easy if simple reforms have controversial and difficult to implement because they radically changed the status quo. Them politician tended to fall into waffle half-measures or complex tweaks of the status quo achieving little. Which is pretty much sums up the early examples as well. And i think it's probably me and my biopsies but a donor's seems to be because he's twice the age of philp goldsmith patel. It makes him sound more aware and considered in dat. He's identified sorry to to disenfranchise each jim but he's identified as a jibe earlier on so if only was aware of that your economy go or even goldsmith was aware of it. It just rather just nicking it from labor and using it in his bid to be the lord mayor the mayor of london this over simplification of what trump is a great example because he would just derived the the opposition. Whoever is with us. He'll baden for saying. I will do stuff and he conned of implies. Well if it's so simple. Why i've done it you know. And and if you if she can't do it i'll do it but he's confronting simple with easy a simple solution but it's not easy to implement and that's where the descendant for and i think to this fallacy is the absence of evidence water. Is we talked about a number of sites go now Where where as many foam Fantasies is context dependent and obviously there are contexts where there seems to It's like setup in the same way but it's not fallacious and with the people saying you know if the evidence of absence isn't absence of evidence We said it is evidence of absence. If you've looked everywhere you would usually expect to find the evidence yet if if you've looked everywhere and you still haven't found anything then that as evidence that maybe there wasn't anything that to be found is not necessarily roof but this is evidence in that direction in the same way here If if all of the criteria all of the things were in place for this to be able to be done and the motivation to be done and the all of the kind of Means and opportunities with and it still wasn't done then possibly evidence in in favor of if it was going to be done it would have been done already. Yeah fats up all circum- to fallacy than they give fun naci gad's suao wrong now so lacob be wrong bad theories dirty tricks trump. Is we all cash. Calapan breakneck speed slow down into fallacy. Come on wrong. Do fact scenes with wetsuit and in the fallacy in the wild we. Let's talk about the the week from a political perspective and this week our first example comes from the excellent film yesterday which is genuinely one of my favorite films. The last couple of years in which a a struggling search is a struggling musician fines success g. to kind of magical event. That happens where he ends up awakening in a place where he's the anyone who remembers the beatles existing and This this scene comes much earlier in the film where he's decided that he's had enough in and they escape that he's just had was kind of his last. One is known app. I think oh. Hey some especially in my songs you think you something special on a love you for it but no one else does. No one ever nicklaus. Nick is famously awoke laws more on if it has happened by now it's not going to take a miracle. Miracles happen cues the rest of the film. That feeling of if it hasn't happened by now it's never gonna happen as a common one and and when you aren't doing something difficult whether it's looking for a job or looking to to kind of move house and find the perfect house view. All you know all kinds of different different things which are hard to do and take a long time. It's very easy to feel at some point along that journey. It should have happened by now if it hasn't happened by now it's not gonna happen and and that's always true until it happens. Yeah well the the second is it's not gonna happen. It's always truth. That hasn't happened yet until it happens. Yeah and things like job or looking for house whatever. You may look at several or applied to many but you only need one success amongst all of the ones that aren't suitable. Yeah dan that guy the way you want so you got it for me. It triggered thoughts of the thing that you know. Savings organizations always say organization say past performance is no guarantee of future results. That you know if you bet that in mind. That's it's amazing that the world contains both the if i if our founded by now or never will and past performance is no guarantee. That's why they just keep reminding people of that. Yeah and also that kind of the gamblers. the meant isn't it. You know that is the opposite of that is keep losing all keep going because at some point i will win. Yeah which is. Just as true as i'll keep going at some point i'll lose everything. Yeah yes so second example in this action this week comes from castle and This is Belief the fest episode of season three Council decided at the end of season. Two to kind of walk away from the the police and his Helping themselves crimes thing. His relationship with the beckett was was difficult And in this first episode he finds himself basically back with them because the victim is someone he new castle. I'm sorry about your friend. I really am. But that doesn't mean that you can just show up and act like nothing has happened. Truth is if you wanted to come back you've already but you didn't so let's just face it. The only reason that you're here right now is because you're at the wrong place at the wrong time he sees it basically as a sign that is come back and she's she's saying if you wanted to come back. You would have already done it again right. You could've wanted to come back at some point. He wanted to come back and haton already done it. Yeah and wanting to come back but not already doing. It was truly all my. He came back to the beginning of season three. Yeah yeah yeah well of of decided that well. I'm not gonna listen to what you're saying now because if if you wanted to do what you're wanting to do right now. If that were true you would have done already or or no no because prior to that is perfectly possible that somebody would wanna do that. Doesn't negate the genuine this of he wanting to do it now. It's a very frustrating thing to against. Yes seems like a really good argument. Yeah yes it's difficult to county. Now wait a minute esther coop it that well be true but i have changed my mind up to yesterday. That was true even even then even if yesterday he wanted to or six months ago he wanted to invite yet. The truth is he always wanted to never really wants to go away so it was true all the time that he wanted to come back. But you don't necessarily immediately do the thing you want to do. Now yeah alley. Yeah yeah. that's yes because that's that is cool restraint if you really wanted. But yeah i actually. That's just reminded me of once spoke to my mom and said civil rights. Do you play. Because i did take out the clarinet at school and i wanted to play the saxophone. But they didn't have an and she said why didn't you continue declare an said well. That's because play the drums and she said if you wanted to play the drums you would have already been doing it. Yes they haven't seen you going around tapping the furniture a. k. because it's your parent and you think will. Yeah they know what they're talking about actually crushes. You utterly not widdly prophetic because on next all is is another nathan. Fillion one but this is from the rookie. And and this is where his to join. I think has a bit of a relationship with his mom who has come to visit. He's had difficulty while she's that and once said don't worry i'm giving you exactly what you want. I'm leaving if you were leaving already be gone now when you look at these things i actually. You've made them all ridiculous and that's hopefully listeners. Into that for you know when this occurs just go. Yeah yeah to be fair in this scene. What he means by that is for some reason. So if you if you wanted was to go then you have already gone is kind of what he means by by. Yeah they yeah. That's all you wanted to tell me your if that's all you wanted me to know you wouldn't be sitting down now with the kotel in your hand cigarette up. Yes his another one. This example is from the king of staten island. Where pete davidson. His mum has stopped at a relationship with a after his dad's died with a new man and the newman's played by bill. Burr and pete's took goes to bill bas ex wife to find out about him so that he can tell his mum negative things about her new man and try and break them up basically and he's confronted by the new man. You went to the person that hates me. The most to get the worst review could possibly. Why don't you come down here. These guys what they thought of me jiffy think of doing that. I'm sorry you're right. you're right. You're not sorry you wouldn't have done it. Yeah that that to my mind is an absolutely classic. Example of this uncertain. When i've said before is if you a story you wouldn't have done it. Yeah but you but the thing is you you saw when you prefer an apology is because of something that you've done the fantasy the filmmakers adage. It's better to ask forgiveness them. Permission is you know you you you do something and then you realize is wrong and then you offer up an apology. Because you've made that realization after you have done it that it was something that you not to have done. And therefore composure is for you. Can't you can't be sorry about yes. Heavily done yet. Different issue paying story is something you have done. And it's a bit of a kind of toxic relationship thing to to say It's it's you know. Obviously it's nice to accept apologies when offered especially if they if they're if they say But yeah it's it's almost gas lighting to to tell someone then sorry when they're telling you also and to kind of authoress as evidence for that the fact that they did the thing they're now saying this sorry sorry for full. They can't possibly be sorry because otherwise they wouldn't have done. It is yes. that's textbook gas lighting it. Maybe not i think tech gas lighting is all the things happening. Gaslight people's one of them but yeah came up example from eminem like the one of not jack from spinal tap about serial killer eminem plied that particular pharaoh. One called same some that dances too. Cheery ditty about a serial killer and the lyrics. Go come with me brian. Let me relieve your tension you'll wench. Your birger wasn't mine tension. If i wanted to kill you it would have already been done. You kinda get will You would you kind of that because you've just picked up the club. An angel toss rental car and to assure defense. I'm not gonna clear because if that would have happened. Already done this quite threatening rather than raw reassuring i would suggest. Then she gets she lynch's sixty six inches of extension cord. And yeah yeah. It's an uncommon turn of phrase actually in in movies. Is you know. If if i wanted to you utah be dead. Kinda kinda bad ashville villain type thing to say yeah And one of the reasons. I didn't include something like that was partly because mean in this case. It's it's immediately followed by him actually killing me but but in most cases it's kind of them saying as proof that they don't want that thing yet is is saying if i had the opportunity to kill you and would have done if i wanted to. So it's kind of offering that as as genuine evidence that they don't want to kill you in a way that they don't want you dead which is sub breaking bad really so an example though i found where this is kind of similarly used but not fallacious was when full british yachtsman basically capsized in the atlantic coming back from a regatta in the caribbean and the us coastguard and various other organizations searched for them for few days. Actually one of the such as basically gave a statement to the press. He said we searched with multiple multiple assets over four thousand square miles for pins from the vessels locator beacons after receiving nine. We'll transitions. We believe that we would have found the by now if we're going to find them. These beacons a small devices on the ones being used a very short battery life so they he's using in same way if we if we're gonna find them we would them. Yeah but he's using that off dead. They've searched a lot over large large area and the point where the things that would help them to such a the the battery driven beacons probably now now no longer operational so so. It's absolutely true in that case to say the the opportunity that window finding them was is now gone is now if you go to find them. At any point they would have already found so there are absolutely ways of using this in known violations wiper. But if you hear someone saying it was going to happen it would have happened by now often or or you know. that's offense. Sorry yeah so we're gonna we're gonna play fake news folks. I love the game. It's a great game. I understand the game as well as anybody as well as anybody. Yes it's time for fake news game where i read out three trump quite to which really when i made up and mark has to figure out which one is fake news just calling them no point in playing really because if i was gonna done so already that the thing is we can disapprove this away because we could have said early on if you were going to do better than chance. You would already be doing john's but now you are so they go. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah so yes so yes all the things that you're going to get work. You'd already be that now which is probably true. We'd be out on this three years. Yeah he's kind of never say never but that's it's like the sun will come up tomorrow because he always comes up tomorrow at one point. That won't be true. Yeah anyway we spoke through these examples all from trump's kind of first back out in the world when he went to the Gop state convention in north carolina. And i mean he rambled basically for 'bout complete the obsolete changed and we realized term in office was made up so yeah now he he rambled about nineteen minutes. He does a couple of people He talked about how he probably loves. Lower trump molin molten. Eric and eric short. Because he's very six foot. Five and baron. Six hundred seven and and things like that but He'll say play heads and stuff too so these these are some of the things he said number one what we have to do. Is we know what we have to do. And that as stand up for our country because if we don't stand up we're gonna lose our country and the people that are insurance right now. They're unbelievable all the things they want. A very very bad bad things are happening on a level that nobody's ever seen you see what goes on. It's all defunding defunding. Can you believe this is a disgrace. What's happening. We can't allow it to happen. We're gonna take on country back in soon probably a lot sooner than you think. Yup yup number two so there. He said we did things that nobody has ever done. I'm very proud of the biggest bet. This was maybe the greatest bet ever made in the history of the world because we saved a year. We bought billions of dollars of this vaccine before we even worked. And because of that. We'll most of you. I guess all of you just about one form or another. You've had your shot or jobs as they like to call it. I actually like the other word bassa. But we've saved a lot of lives. We saved all over the world. We've saved millions and millions of lives and i'm very proud of it. You've had in one form or another either shop like year. It could be an ally internal light or kind of a cleansing either have shot one form or another and statement number three us talking about his visits to dig raffle space took kind of meet fallen soldiers. Coffins back fry. It was the most terrible thing to watch. And the general in charge with sisa. You'll going to see things. You maybe will not seen like what general he said mothers and wives and even father sometimes breaking through the military ranks and jumping on top of the coffin. And i got to see that one time where mother was just absolutely. She was devastated. She jumped on and these incredible extremely soldiers taking that coughing and would jump onto the coffin. And they wouldn't do a thing they would just keep walking as carrying it. Gripe kite road runner. Like what general. Keep with site so highly talks about himself in third person. He touched a lot of a lotta topics in this speech. Yeah yeah yes a lot of ground and try out. Some new material played the hits. I've kinda locked to for them one for me of his new album then a couple of hits shouting probably all stuff. Yeah okay the biggest bet of the thing where he's going to brag about the vaccines because it seems to be working. Joe is it and passing Defunding what we have okay. Well the despite the fact that the jumping on the coffee and singers a new thing that one but that might just be utah to sneak it in a new thing with you okay. What we have to do is okay. I think that number one is the one you made up k. Yeah so the other two which she more convinced by a more convinced by number two the biggest bet yeah same number. Two s as real. We did things that nobody has ever done. I'm very proud of the biggest bet. This was maybe the greatest ever made in the history of the world has all saved a year. We bought billions of dollars of this vaccine before we even knew it worked. And because of that. We've all most of you. I guess all of you just about in one form or another. You've had your shots or jabs as they liked to call it. I actually like the other word better. But you've we've we've saved a lot of lives. We saved all over the world we save millions and millions of lives and very proud of it. For the fact we'd lies. This is his usual little bouncing ball of it. Kind of it goes on and then like with with bouncy ball it kind of goes to risk and because of that we've all will most of you for some of you. Shots might be sure a lot of the other word the just pizzas our in this in. This spear is the greatest fat ever might greatest in the history of the world and as as someone who run a casino into the ground he would no no. that's the greatest killing in the history of the world. Know killed more people. I mean the things that coined of employees that there's some risk engulfed doesn't get an he kinda full sole the jet kind of playing the long game or you know but actually what he did was short the as well. He kind of went okay. Five hundred thousand people dead. Yeah we might have to invest in an untested vaccine world kinda. There is the risk that he took to the new They made the administration made agreements with all of the different vaccine developers but for the pfizer one specifically which was the first one developed That was developed with money from germany. No no money from operation won't speak into the development. The federal government made an agreement. One point nine five billion dollars which would cover the first hundred million doses. That kind of maybe sounds like a a big investment with the entire the entire costa operation warp speed including this including coastal devices up to the point where trump left was with twelve point four billion which is almost exactly the same amount that trump paid american farmers because of his china tariffs but this almost two billion dollars in according to the agreement was only paid to find her off to the drug has been approved by the fda and the first hundred million doses with delivered arkan's so there was no money not grades. I know you paid if it worked. Yeah and after they get they did and they pretty in two hundred million arm. Yes wow so. There was only be no risk of on the paul of the us government. Now in the and it's such a measly amount of money compared with though yes thirty seven billion pounds. We paid for the track and trace system show. Yeah now that was a so bet by off. So i don't think i'd call it. The biggest greatest but ever made in the history is the world not all over the world because his investment advisor. Well there wasn't any as for. I mean they may not even go to yet if as if a haven't thanks naked hundred million people yet. Yeah yeah yeah. And and he was very clear that he wasn't going to spend money outside of america wasn't gonna make available to the rest of the world until the whole america. Yeah so you thought number three israel and three is is the most terrible thing to watch and the general judge would say sir. You're gonna see things that you may be will not have seen like what general i said. Mothers and wives and even father sometimes breaking through the military ranks and jumping on top of the coffin. And i got to see that one time where a mother was just she would just absolutely. She was devastated. She jumped on and these incredible extremely fit. Soldiers are taking that coffin and were jump onto the coffin and they would just keep what they wouldn't do a thing they would just keep walking now. This clip was re tweeted or tweeted by the columbia bugle with the heading moving story. By president trump on saying all fallen soldiers brought back home and speaking with their families brought. And it was it was re tweets candace owens. He said incredible man. This is why the left is going through incredible efforts to try to silence him in the majority of americans who want him back. It's also a total fucking lie. It is a complete and total made up story why trump went to dover air force base four times during his t. I am presidency. Which is which is all talk about that. Yeah full where he would say. Oh i can't stand doing. He went he went. Yeah within a few weeks after his disastrous raid in yemen went badly wrong and killed a soldier. He went to support the the return of that soldier. In and the soldiers father refused to coach him till after that he didn't go back for almost two years. he four times in his entire presidency. They all vary well-documented. Nothing like this ever happened. The closest thing that happened was at one of the events a woman kind of ran towards the plane when the coffins were being brought off but was stopped by miniature personnel in and kind of comforted and brought back behind the lines but that happened before he even arrived so trump yet. You can kind of tell telling ally because that whole about sir. Yeah when when everybody dresses him sir he loves selling we love saying that and then he got out with the response to them. As you know my jaw sergeant or but this whole section this was an extended monologue about the stuff that happened when he went to to kind of will to read hospital. Soldiers who'd been wounded and went to divert and took part in the the returns and it is unconscionable that he's using these people's yes stories making up stories about them himself in. yeah. I'm writing about traps to to to get people's kind of doesn't give a shit loses. Yeah lou's absolutely. Why would they would they. Well they're getting it and even his tone is kind of like late. Lenny bruce is sort of the stuff when he's being sued for saying motherfuckers stage and he's just getting tired and and He thinks he's still funny and yet and yet there's that coordinative dissonance where people just want him to be the savior to be the wise empathetic person. He's never been by saying always a very moving story said. Yeah it's all made up. He doesn't give a shit about you. Never has can you not see. He tried to weasel his way back. Jurisdictions like really bad ex. He took that your voight with him on one of his trips to they've raffles base. Yeah and if you come and see that they'd soldiers meeting yeah so fucking with and disrespect in that kind of an. There's that movie ever. Because jon voight played a young boxer also stop ways kind of the old soldier or the old getting up to do it for his doors channing. Ricky schroeder who turned into right wing are sold in recent years. What is that about all of which means that. Yeah this one right right off. That was my my number. one Was based on a kind of rambling section. Like that which it wasn't really clear what he was talking about. What he was talking about was largely about kind of standing out for getting country back and everything will be good now. It's bad will be good if we do the right thing in a life of stuff. It didn't make any sense didn't wasn't about anything. He just kind of lost his place on. What is getting out from. The sammy davis junior stump where they can go look semi days in the house. He kind of walks from the the cocktail table. Way back over there. ya fills a stage. Yeah yeah a little bit of rambling. Hey how you doing. where are you from. Yeah that kind of stuff so basically that means that you have you have closed your way back up to forty seven percent since you're getting closer how percent you know. Yeah thanks for the vote of comfort. Probably not so much a win as you know. I never kind of win these things. It's just that you lose. That's how you look at these things it's not. We don't celebrate a victory. we commiserate you for another loss. Yeah progressive motorcycle presents. Rude wisdom from the confidence in the direction of less bad then turnaround progressive motorcycle also percents basic policy starting at seventy nine dollars a year regressive cycle for those who were born to ride for security insurance company and affiliates Ability states. okay. Fine fess up all the new summer stuff i got. It's on sale at kohl's and the deals are so good like arsenault more goods for life. Patio furniture. it was thirty percent off got thirty percent off backyard games to an even picked up grilling tools for twenty percent off. Best part i saved an extra twenty percent and got it in an with restore backups. So now we're all set for summer. And i'm pretty sure. We've got a cookout planned every weekend. Select styles twenty percents offer ends. June twenty-seventh some exclusions apply. See store or kohls dot com for details. And this is the other show that this week at least is called. gb news is not logical fallacy because in the uk we've had a new tv channel startup in the last couple of weeks a gb. News will yeah is fucking amazing. And it's frightening and awful. Intern is kind of its some of. Its con- disappointing. Because some of the presenters that kind of mainstream bbc presents us said the people go into trouble with the bbc thole being really harsh journalists and holding leaders to account in a way to actually the bbc advocates around the world andrew. Neil he's the one that kind of was was the big based pay. The boris would refuse to go be interviewed by. Because we just came show. And tell you your you're a liar charlatan for andrew enough of people. Yeah being compliant mystically correct or woke all come to any bit like john. Humphrys was who was on the kind of current affairs show on bbc radio every morning. He said we're yeah and gave up because dimona galp for him every day. Now i mean my icees but actually he just become as most sort of. Maybe it's true of us. Goes for the people as they get older. They move more to the rights. They just become intolerant. Gammon face right wingers. Who have moan about the young people today when they say the young people right. I mean the beatles in the sixties agai- with the long hair smart suits and their close harmonies bringing down the fabric of society. They're the kind of day off. They've become the people they complain that their parents had become so they just but there's issue of young right-wing people on the news as well basically it's been set up as a as a wing news source essentially in response to You know komi pinko. News companies because culture. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Those kind of those kind of outlets like scholar news channel news bbc where they think actually what we should do is not have an opinion but present always look respected news organizations holding people to account by maintaining of moral high ground. But you're all of that stuff is in the way of people just being able to say what they want about the number of colored people in my neighborhood. Yeah you know because as we know the wing voices are being stymied all across the major outlets despite the fact that all but may be two maybe three of th the newspapers in the uk all right wing newspapers and you know which publish constantly the rightwing voices you know and people go on twitter and complain about how roy invoices being cost to that several million followers and appear on television and say right. We voices are being heard on the mainstream media. Yeah but the best thing about. Gb news is the fact that it seems that all competent tv technicians like behind the scenes. People now off. 'cause 'cause it's fucking awful. It's like is like a bad student tv station. Apes the the thing is we've been on say these things that's where we are now hours. Were much much much better arguer. I haven't come across any beds. Except for maybe the one in wayne's world that was cable tv tv taking the piss out of really bad tv stations. it's it's the ones that don't actually exist fictional. That really bad they're awful. That's what he's like. yeah. I mean they are. The ones are almost all misspelled they. They put the wrong name for people. They spell people's names run when they do get the names right on the on the on screen graphics. Show you where they're reporters are reporting from. There almost always usually says life. Just feel despite the fact that someone is incompetent. Someone else in came engine outside the famous hospital in cambridge talking about things live from hardest field. And he's kind of like there is the done whether america views must have come across it. L. empower oh very dodgy. It's properly al. If it wasn't f- y'all wouldn't be surprised. If we didn't have a chris morris kremlin through that richard mainly has become. Alan partridge like yeah. On on good morning britain. And it would be yeah. It would be the main poetry cessation but also having enormous amounts of technical problems with microphones and connecting to people who are kind of connecting with them by via zoom or whatever Michelle debry who whose claim to fame was. Was i think coming second in a series of the apprentice in the uk. raw. She's one of the presenters and she was kind of happy to have a guest in the studio because then they wouldn't have any technical problems and then they couldn't cut to the other person so her interview with him was just her talking and then a voice coming from it's been on. Yeah yeah a the clip. I really like when somebody's speaking. And there's somebody drilling. Yes in the background so the still building the set absolutely something behind there is a great twitter account called at gp news files just the first week. They've stopped after the first week of of of kind of amateurish. Bullshit this gets even the life started. Look at the twitter feed of the actual live account. And there's simon mccoy is kind of reading out ostensibly. You know reading from the also. But he's he's he's in vision the laptop in front of him and he's looking off camera holding a remote so he's offers the operating his cue. You're not seeing the view through the autocue. Normally they look straight into the camera in front of which. Your takers being projected. So just doesn't break ya kind of good news section. Which i think is supposed to be because his persona was a little bit of a grumpy block and For a couple of nights running. They couldn't show the pictures that went along with his good news. Stories and the thing is the good news stories based entirely on the pictures so he was he was kind trying to describe this thing that the people kind of thrown mud at to make funny any saying you know i. I really wish we could show you the picture because that is funny. It's good picture. But we call and heart is i know. Holy fuck it. I we i and we both worked at channel five. We had a kind of there was a program for people to See what other people's jobs like and a not a lot of tv. Production happened to channel five at the time. The only really did the news. The other stuff was all bolton but we went to the national film television school in in groups of twenty and we spend a weekend kind of team building and and stuff like that and we did a a a news broke cost and i was picked to be director in the in the of in the gallery the gallery kind of calling the shots and the vision mixing in all of that kind of stuff and the the the one that we made on our first day of trying to make a news program. The was just you know couple presents who'd never been on camera before people working the commerce who've never wet camera in the gallery. We made a thaw. That's a news program than anything that has appeared on his parents in twenty minutes. Yeah yeah i know. And that's the thing you know. Sam mccoy's kind of it's weird because he's i've actually worked with mccoy and he's very good at the off the cuff staff where he makes a common on the ridiculousness of whatever's going on and he's really very good at that as he did. Also take a ream of paper on to count on campus. To pretend to yeah. There's those things where you just kind of think. Yeah we're not going to be able to post kasese live. Yeah we're not. it's not like the rehearsal. Yeah so yeah and as an editor and we kind of note that you need to maine to sustain people engagement with staff. You've got to be out to deliver the pictures to support the words. Yeah because the actually somewhat more powerful and having the chirons running underneath as kind of either straighten what they're saying as the the third element of reinforcement of what the message. You need to have all of that going on at the same time so have a rich experience and this just so amateurs. There's no yes. They the having like phone calls and emails and stuff going straight through to the studio rather than through a producer which has resulted in them. Getting and reading out on camera messages from people like mike hunt and michael and join us again and huge anus. Yeah that's so good. And they have to is since level stones. Brilliant brilliant is so good at what. What's great about it is that you know the great british public to whom they think they're serving is actually gets wise to it far quicker absolute so they would just come jump in and pull the trousers down. Live on air and things that in kind of whiskey purchase way. But that's yeah but that was a great thing. Somebody tweeted cody. there is up. That's a children's tv channel in britain Cbc which is children's bbc and the corner of the preschool version of that called cbgb's like jam children's bbc and somebody tweeted. This is g bbc's gb news so gbd's and that described is something for the kids to sit there gammon faced parents in frontal for a couple of hours to inquire. Was they get on with going out the world so it's kind of it's the it's an old people's home for people win djing about harry and meghan the triple lock pension or your all of the anti brown. Yeah you it's it's it's it's it's alf garnett. If garnett was reading the news or archie bunkers reading the news. This is what we be like and obviously one of the things that are very against is cancel culture yup and in the first few days. A number of their advertisers decided to pull their ads. Many seems had not been aware that there aren't. We're going to be shown on this channel. I think because it struck down through november gators and schooling media. I think is the organization at places the adverts on behalf of brands so brands like ikea vodafone. grosz site a company called koperberg spec savers titians company. They they will said no. We don't want our company associated with these views that are being these values that are being expressed on this channel or two. Very xenophobic missile. Genetic yeah so so in the interest of clover kind of you know being against council coach. They've been cools to To boycott all of the companies that have pulled their out of a from. Gb news rarely discussed companies on choosing to pay the money. Yeah so say like right. Well we're not going to okay or anymore it's kind of hold self righteous self entitled white. Supremacist thing now. One of the best things i've seen about. Gb news is in. I think it was the express which is exactly the same demographic points out the value of houses will draw. Hose off out. We're talking about first of all how. Gb news hats like in the first few minutes they had kind of three hundred and thirty thousand viewers and were beating sky on the bbc put together on. They didn't they didn't give him to decide how the that it was. Just the first few minutes an like it was down two hundred and fifty thousand people. They they talked about how people were now now that there is an alternative to the bbc People were canceling tv licenses and just watching. Gb news Which you because the whig fucking system we have in the uk. Yeah you have to have a tv license. Even though the money only goes to say yes you have to have it to watch any live tv tv you're watching g boundaries. You still have to be paying tv license. So that isn't a solution. So i hope many of the mall during that and the the vans were spinning refresh. Skowron down the street. And the tb. Didn't that we're that. We're all terrified by in the seventies and eighties. At the time. I did think will. If they're spending all this money on advertising to tell us about the the the vat why don't they just come and get a site lies in their own. Asli i could do a wonder woman eighty four legged rant about tv licensing cost. Yeah and finally some things. We really don't have time to talk about a local fox news reporter in houston decided to win her career in style last week when she opened her report on the texas heat wave with this. Thanks guys that's right before we get to that story. I want to let you. The viewers know that fox corp has been muslim to me to keep certain information from you the viewers and from what i'm gathering i am not the only reporter being subjected to this. I am going to be releasing some recordings about what goes on behind the scenes at fox because advice to you the viewers. I found a nonprofit journalism. Group called project veritas. Going to put that out to so tune into them. But as for this heat wave it seems like if she was any good as a reporter she might have looked into project. Veritas his reputation but then if she was a reporter she probably wouldn't have been working for folks in the first place conservatives who feel like folks to left wing go all excited about what the revelations would be fox. Meanwhile immediately fired hacker and then told the database. This incident involves nothing more than a former employee seeking publicity by promoting a false narrative produced three selective editing and misrepresentation which is a fantastic ignoring linear. Time she'll now she's a disgruntled former employee anyway it turns out that hecker was being muzzle because she wasn't allowed to do stories about bitcoin during the five pm broadcast because nobody who's watching then caz about bitcoin and that she was told she failed to the reporter still pushing hydroxychloroquine stories long after been debunked. So yeah fox. Hey who it is. Not legal to believe tucker. Carlson is as usual breaking the law of causality on fox news in his explanation of who was behind the capitol hill insulation on january six. After all those involved he calls unindicted. Co-conspirators have not been prosecuted yet. Yeah but that's because law building cases in the world mostly country. That's probably wise nor says carlson has any of the subjects in named will yet see above. Why is that. He asks of didn't hear me explain either of those just then and he doesn't even for not putting drew racy wrist registered trademark fashion what anti-fascists can be diminished into antiga then caused playing conspiracy theories could be diminished. Too racy wrist in true racy risk. Fashion here allows his audience to simply use their bosses. You know why it's because they are almost certainly working for the fbi are yeah silly. Me that could be the only possibilities logically inexorably follows. The government knows who they are and yet one arrest them because they work for them. Those of us familiar with the need for lodestar follow amongst the leader craving directionless q. Q. plus and curious racy risk cume. Unity's sal sister podcasts for patrons recognize the absolute certainty that comes with stupid. Carlson is the anonymous. Sorry tweeter being a bully behind a humorless id. He's the little skinny kid waving his fist. From behind the big kids saying yes thumping go on as tucker himself says this is crazy and we should resist it yet to ride quick before the lights are much retailer. Green eyed extra wheels to the populist bandwagon in an attempt to get the racy risk community to unthinkingly gave her lots of money. Think we might be like a long time ago. Malkin iran a film festival together. Well we totally overestimated the local interest in independent film and hardly anyone showed up in a totally unrelated story. Mike lindell the pillow salesman. Who looks like someone. Ron swanson on. Wish dot com held a rally the other weekend in wisconsin and well hardly anyone showed up most embarrassingly. The jets that mike expected to fly over at the end of the national anthem didn't show up either leaving mike old quickly standing on the stage looking into this season saying is that then it wasn't in other rally. News trump announced the tour with bid royally through the end of the air and trump's most ardent supporters. The cuban on crowd furious. I thought they'd be happy to but it turns out that this messes with their theory that he's going to be back in the white house by august honestly. I don't know why this is the mental hurdle. They can't pull volt over because usually they believe six much more impossible things before breakfast. Meanwhile another barrier trump's returned to power might be the announcement of the manhattan. Da's office is now investigating trump ceo and former bodyguard. Matthew kanamori which to be honest. I only bring up one glorious reason and this is a story which you will not believe. I fucking swear is true and i i had this through a account which is at this twit is late and the person who runs that account had done some research into matthew calamari and his birth certificate and to kiss. 'cause i couldn't believe this was true. I signed up for a free trial on ancestry dot com so that i could look the original document and i saw swear to you in in on his birth certificate on the birthplace says matthew kella maury was born at sea. How the is brilliant. Isn't this of course you would be written in squid ink signature. That is brilliant favorite thing ever so good and it kind of Is something slightly fisher. Insert your job here. We all have that on-call who christmas when we were a kid can make spoon stick to his nose and when we asked could someone explain it. They played along saying it was magic or magnetism because we will live four now. Imagine getting someone to do that before committee in an ohio state house as part of the republican campaign to advance house bill two four eight which would prevent scores and businesses from asking people if they're vaccinated for instance so your uncle who's now well into his nineties is demonstrating his party trick to them and you now or not and you folded on a qualified medical professional that or asking gathered judiciary to explain it for you somewhere between acute embarrassment and the tooth fairy and santa ono spoiler alert. Someone would call for mumble and talk about capella reaction. The combined curvature of seasons spoons and your uncle would note and the spoon full often. The cat will be out of the bag. Ridiculous never happened real life except yes eight. Did last tuesday an anti facts. A nurse in an appeal to her own authority tried to defend dr sherry ten police testimony about magnetic vaccine crystals spoiler. No such thing which channels five g. Signals note by sticking key magnetically to her chest. No shroff t knowle's yes. Yes those kind of spit like your penny isn't magnetic something about interplay of almost horizontal surfaces of chest and moisture and then also finding to do the same to her much more vertical neck with the k. And even a much lighter hairpin. Turn doubt she'd learned this over lunch that it will be possible. Possibly from the jug book that came with the happy meal. Her uncle border neither the hearing committee nor dr sherri temporary. This thanked her for testimony however gravity the public behind her and amass. Tv orders laughed in a four year. Old reddening face. There's a great video on twitter of a guy who has a who sticks a nickel to his arm like where he had his vaccination and says you know. I've been told that it what i need to do is put some baby powder on this and try again so here. We go do this and he does it. An obviously immediately the nickel slides off and then he just looks at the camera. Guys have an apology to make. Its if you were sorry you were know. Diana does brilliant. Texas gop congressman louie. Gohmert was listening to our last episode. Heard that mo brooks was making a run the coveted title of dumbest congressperson. Well louis said hold. My mother fucking bear unsecured the championship for twenty twenty one on zoom call with jennifer evelyn. The associate deputy chief of the us forest service go started brainstorming ways to combat climate change and recalled that nassar had said that the moon's orbit gradually changing as is the ovid around the sun and he asked the grown up. He was talking to. Is there anything that the national forest service or the bureau of land management can do to change the course of the moon's orbit more the earth's orbit around the sun obviously that would have profound effects on our climate and quote. Now there are those who say he was being sarcastic which he wasn't and still more who say he was just being science. Denying also claiming climate change is not anthropogenic of course when one of the options is a republican politician. Being a science denying also. Lets usually the right one. I fail these. People are just failing to grasp. How profoundly stupid louis is nothing to do with razor all watching diet of coal fire. Actually yeah h like some kind of light. Some kind of clinton's could we not just you know also giving not just earth lake stiff thirsty service and can they know. Do something you know. Intercontinental ballistic missile struggled breaking their forests with the trump to show them out the door. Here's exactly remember when we were all exhorted to make america great again in the possibly rather retro. Fbi acid tested cold war. Mind of good ole boy tom cotton. Yes republican guests arizona. America great again was somewhere between sputnik a. neil armstrong steeped in black and white. Dr strangelove cold war. Sifi racy wrist ism. He's written a letter. Yes he writes and yes. He's that old school today. Joe biden warning about the tree. Intent of the hosts of the twenty twenty two winter olympics in the letter cotton warns biden. Beijing plans on using the two thousand twenty two winter olympics as a giant funnel for precious american. Dna harvesting the nation's fittest and finest for the genomic information as part of a plan to achieve military dominance will apart from the seemingly genetic co presence of predeliction for racism. Obesity distrust the communist principles in the very dna all american heroes. Hey copy onto something. Now he's slim pickens riding the nuke to is target. Why is cowboys hat. Ignorant of any own ramifications of his misogynous xenophobic warmongering. Racy wrist attitudes. Yea it was the g. Seven last week and joe biden visited the and met with the queen and various world leaders. All of whom looked significantly more relaxed now. They don't have to make awkward. Small talk with boaty mcboatface on the whole biden thing to do pretty well but of course hannity in the rest of the folks news team characterize the entire visit as disastrous embarrassment but heaviest condemnation came for his meeting with putin basically. It seems that sometime in may the entire republican party and right wing media went to that company from eternal sunshine of the spotless. Mind and had all memory of trump's disastrously embarrassing to eighteen summit with using in helsinki raised from their minds. At least that's the only explanation for the official. Rnc statement that quote giving putin a meeting is just the latest win. The joe biden has handed russia or for hansi saying quote vladimir received a massive platform in exchange for zero concessions whatsoever. What they didn't mention is that biden didn't sign with putin over every. Us intelligence agency defend the fight. That putin's a killer on the grounds that america's got it also killers or calling very smart and british politics. This time hopeless plugged dominic. Cummings says hopeless bloke. Boris johnson called hopeless blocked. Matt hancock. oh please bloke a fucking this blog to be precise on what sam nothing. We didn't know which causes made no difference driven by data not dates. Boris johnson reneged on his promise. Lift all covert restrictions by twenty june and postponed it nine th july because of the delta virus he failed to stop coming into the country by may fifteenth the intervening space will of course be completely spat up the wall by uses blocks. Our we know other forward backward sideways or in any driven by then is beginning to on them that putting all the vaccine eggs in one fix covy basket might not be the best policy. If the fall guy. Matt hancock actually falls and reveals. There is no actual point putting the prick in the arm of fifty million people. If you still can't stop the virus numbers rising such large inoculated populace will begin demanding at least go and stand in a field in the open air when other disease free people and listened to music from the likes of the vaccines for instance. Perhaps we should just use combine magnetic might of all fifty million averse to pull the screws out of the padlocks to the door of number ten downing street swarm inside. Reveal the emperor there in in all his new clothing. So that's all the battle against some faulty reasoning. We have time for this week. You'll find the show nets. Fallacious trump dot com. And if you hate trump say something stupid i want to ask if it's a fallacy all contact details or on the contact page if you think reviews the policy ourselves leszno. No and if you've had a good time. 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