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"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

American Revolution Podcast

01:59 min | 3 months ago

"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

"We looked in again on the continental congress. And it's ongoing problems as it begins. Seventeen seventy nine. Money has always been an issue for congress and it was pretty much in the war on promises of future reward and those promises were beginning to wear pretty thin as the war approached. Its fifth year related to the money. Problems was the ongoing fight over silas deane and whether he was somehow improperly profiting from his efforts to form the french alliance and get french assistance shipped to america. This would be an ongoing fight that would last for years. Actually the fight would outlive dean and would continue on with his heirs. Henry lawrence proved to be a casualty of the dean controversy with his resignation. As president of congress as i said in the main show his replacement john jay had only arrived in congress. A few weeks prior jay is not some we've heard about much in the early years of the revolution but he would become much more prominent later. He will go on to negotiate the treaty of paris. Right some of the federalist papers in support of the constitution and would serve as chief justice of the us supreme court. He also found time to negotiate. What became known as the jay treaty during president washington's administration. If you want to read more about jay my recommendation. This week is a biography. John jay founding father by walter star. It's a solid look at the life of founder who is largely overlooked. It was first published in two thousand five. The author walter star is an attorney who found a passion for writing historical biographies later in life. A my online recommendation. This week is the resignation speech of the outgoing president harry lawrence. It's pretty short less than five pages. I just think it's interesting to hear from the man himself as he tells congress why.

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"silas deane" Discussed on Revolutions

Revolutions

02:28 min | 3 months ago

"silas deane" Discussed on Revolutions

"Russo defy all a member of lafayette's party who later wrote a journal of his experiences observed. One thing is certain we have not been flattered with attentions. I do not know whether the future will be better for us but things are not at all as they were described to us in france but then again none of them were a young rich marquee. Speaking delightfully broken english with breakfast delight. Neither lafayette in his enchantment nor his companions. In their misanthrope he told untruths their observations and experiences reflected their own perceptions. Beliefs and projections was painfully clear. To all of them. The war was going badly restored. File said the people are not united in a common cause. And i do not think they will ever do anything. Spectacular as they trudged wearily toward philadelphia. They learned the british captured fort. Ticonderoga sentinel of the northern border with canada. If they did not hurry the war might be over before. They even had a chance to fight on july twenty. Seventh 1777 thi- it's party arrived in philadelphia thirty two days after leaving charleston forty days after landing in america ninety four after departing europe and more than one hundred and fifty days since lafayette bid adieu to his family and left paris for london. They said goodbye under the assumption. He would return within a matter of weeks now. Many months later the time had finally come to justify the consternation pain disappointment anger and doubt he caused in the meantime but lafayette's reception in philadelphia became an even greater farce than his reception in charleston. The frenchman arrived on a sunday. So the second continental congress was not in session. They first approached the residence of mr john. Hancock boston merchant ardent patriot and current president of the congress but rather than greeting the officers with open arms and praises to god for the arrival of saviors from france. Handcock inform them brusquely. Foreign officers were not his responsibility. Hancock told them to go. See robert morris the philadelphia financier banker and speculator who sat on the foreign affairs committee under whose direction silas deane allegedly operated. Not suspecting anything was wrong..

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"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

American Revolution Podcast

05:10 min | 6 months ago

"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

"It took nearly three years to reach the first million and just over ten months to reach these second million. So please tell your friends and share this podcast. So he can cross that three million mark before the end of this year. Thanks to everyone who has lessened especially those who have been kind enough to leave a five star review on apple podcasts or anywhere else. Podcasts are reviewed. This week i covered these silas deane hearings normally. I like to cover events for a particular time which usually only spends a few days or weeks. The dane hearings dragged on for well over a year. So i had to go well beyond the time. Line that this podcast is currently on. But i thought it was important to cover the events as they dragged out to this day. Many people think silas deane's reputation still has kind of tanked to it. Thanks mostly to these inconclusive investigations. My personal view which probably came out in the main show is that silas deane was a patriot. Who provided an invaluable service and got screwed by congress. The man who screwed him primarily was arthur lee supported by his brothers richard. Henry lee and francis lightfoot lee as well as their allies in congress my view of thomas paine served as the lease attack dog in the press also diminished in my mind as a result of his involvement. In this event pains. Radical views can be dangerous in any revolution it can lead to the revolution turning on its own for no good reason. It's something that paint himself would experience in very real terms later in his life. During the french revolution silas deane remained in europe for the rest of his life. He moved to belgium because he could not afford to stay in paris after the british intercepted and published some letters. Home where he expressed pessimism about the american cause later in the war is reputation in america tanked even further but given the way he was treated. I think his negative us about congress were understandable.

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"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

American Revolution Podcast

01:44 min | 6 months ago

"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

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"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

American Revolution Podcast

03:48 min | 6 months ago

"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

"Paint attacks largely reflected the views of a faction possibly a majority of congress distrusted dean and thought that his publicizing of this dispute only made things worse over the winter as articles raged back and forth dean remained in philadelphia without congress making any effort to continue its investigation or hold hearings in april and then again in may of seventeen seventy nine. Within a year after congress. I recalled him dean wrote to congress to say that he planned to depart the city erode to the president of congress that quote. It was the design of those who wish to sacrifice me to family interests to wear me out by delays without any direct charges to ruin me in the opinion of my countrymen by insincere hints and innuendos upon receiving the letter. President lawrence is comment. Was only that quote. If dean goes in defiance of congress it will be a confession. Finally in august of seventeen seventy nine congress discharge teen from further attendants and requested that all commissioners submit their accounts and vouchers for final settlement. Congress reached absolutely no ruling on the charges against gene or anything else. It was simply announcing that the investigation had ended. Congress finally offered to pay for his costs for the more than year that dean had remained in philadelphia but the amount they offered was so small and to be paid in nearly worthless continental paper dollars. That a disgusted dean refused to accept the payment entirely. Perhaps one small victory for dean was at robert. Morris once again supported him morris upon receiving the full information about his brother. Thomas is failures. In europe accepted. That dean had only been try to resolve a problem. Not attack him. Politically morris commented that dean had rendered essential services for his country and that he had been quote. Ill used by his enemies in a letter. After everything had ended morris wrote quote. I consider dean to be a martyr in the cause of america and that the attacks on him were quote. Shameful dean finally did return to france in seventeen eighty where franklin greeted him as a friend dean though as a private citizen having made so many enemies in congress he would not receive another appointment to anything. French officials also received him warmly in appreciation of his past service at that point was also reunited with his son jesse by this time. A young man of sixteen teams also heartened to learn that just weeks before his arrival in france that arthur lee had departed for america to be called to account his own activities while abroad..

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"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

American Revolution Podcast

03:36 min | 6 months ago

"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

"But ona's financial records were still in france. He had no idea that he would be called to answer these specific charges and had left the financial records with his associates. Who were still trying to continue these business dealings with france. Instead dean had to cool his heels in philadelphia living at his own expense waiting for congress to continue its investigation. Meanwhile back in france. Arthur lee having successfully removed dean from europe turned his attention toward franklin. Lee continued to write to congress about how dean was guilty of all sorts of financial crimes. Penny a grown rich on embezzling government money and that his calls for a hearing were all just a bluff he also wrote that franklin was similarly guilty of wasting government funds and supporting his lavish lifestyle. Congress was still receptive to lease accusations at one point. They came within one vote of voting to recall franklin from france as well as i said lee wanted to remove both of his fellow commissioners so that he could take full control of the american delegation in france. One of dean's greatest defenders was french. Minister gerard gerard was concerned about openly supporting one political faction against another in america after all his job was to maintain good relations between france and america regardless of who was in charge philadelphia but gerard did speak with delegates when he could defending both the motivations and actions of franklin and deane in a letter to version gerard wrote quote. The stories of arthur lee are but an absurd tissue of falsehoods and sarcasm can only compromise those who have the misfortune of being obliged to have anything to do with him. Despite all this support the dean hearings dragged on by december. Dean had grown increasingly frustrated with congress. He had left europe in a hurry. Expecting to be gone only a few months he had left many matters. Incomplete and france. It even left his thirteen year old son there in the care of others after spending nine months waiting for congress to decide anything about his case he wrote a public letter outlining his situation. Attacking arthur lee and lee's political allies. And which was generally highly critical of congress this public revelation of the infighting between the american commissioners and the internal disputes within congress set off a political firestorm virginia delegate francis lightfoot lee responded in the press to defend his brother arthur lee this led to follow up articles by dean then a couple of weeks later thomas paine entered the fray pain issued a series of articles just savaging. Dean is first article primarily criticized for making the whole manor public and revealing divisions among the continental leadership. That pain believed damage the war effort and the patriot cause generally over the next few weeks and months pain published articles attacking dean for his failure to bring his financial records with him. And for what pain seemed to believe. Were unsubstantiated attacks on arthur and william lee pain strongly implied that dean was corrupt or at least hopelessly naive in the way he managed affairs in.

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"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

American Revolution Podcast

03:01 min | 6 months ago

"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

"A dean made clear. He was eager to make his reports to congress and returned to france and continue his diplomatic work. Congress however was in no hurry. Dean sat in philadelphia for over a month waiting for an audience with congress. If i received orders to appear several times in mid august then again nothing finally on september eighth dean wrote that he was growing impatient and then if congress did not want to hear from him further he would like to return to france ten days later. A congressional committee reported that arthur. Lee and ralph izard had accused of financial mismanagement and misappropriation of public money. It began calling witnesses to testify to these charges but it did not call dean shortly after that connecticut delegate titus hosmer who had been in congress for only a few months and who was returning home inform dean that he overheard other delegates who said they sought to destroy dean since they had no evidence they did not want to bring specific charges against him instead they would simply drag out the matter and allow the cloud of accusation to hang over. Dean's head for as long as possible again. Dean wrote to congress asking for the charges against him and to see the letters of his accusers so that he could respond. He said that after spending more than three months in philadelphia needed to get back to france to manage his financial affairs there. They never did get to see the letters accusing him anything but he did learn about some of the accusations. Secondhand lee had accused dean of giving offense to everyone he worked with in france. Well there's no doubt that dean offended li but few others seem to be offended. Dean argued that his success spoke for itself. D noted that in seventeen seventy seven. He had shipped thirty thousand small arms a similar number of uniforms. Over two hundred and fifty pieces of brass artillery and numerous other supplies that were critical to the cause and which had been vital to opposing the burgoyne campaign. There were also on his letters of support from franklin and various french officials which team had delivered to congress. Lee had also made some minor accusations. Like that dean had opened and read all of these correspondents which teams simply denied. Lee accused of leaving him. Out of negotiations. To which dean responded. That lee was to quarrels and that they did not always trust him with confidential matters. Under negotiation the more significant charge was that congress had spent millions. But that almost everything said to america still had to be paid for the obvious. Implication was that dean had used that money for other purposes and that congress would still have to repay all of those loans. Dane could deny those.

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"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

American Revolution Podcast

03:36 min | 6 months ago

"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

"Him as a faithful active and able minister to my knowledge has done in various ways. Great and important services to his country whose interests i wish may always by everyone in her employ is much and as efficiently promoted also after discussing the matter with dean french. Agent pierre bomar. Shay wrote a blistering confidential memo for the french foreign ministry critical of lee's attacks on dean quote by character and by ambition. Mr arthur lee. Was i jealous of mr dean. He finished by becoming his enemy which always happens to small mines or occupied in supplanting their rivals then in surpassing them in merit the connections of mr lee in england and two brothers whom he has in congress have made him recently. An important and dangerous man is plan has always been to prefer between france and england the power. Which would most surely bring him to fortune. England has some advantages for him. He has often explained himself on the subject in his libertine suppers. A to succeed. It was necessary to get rid of a colleague so formidable by his patriotism as mr dean this he has accomplished by causing him to be suspected. In several points of view by congress boomer shays memo went on to outline lease attacks on. Dean's appointment of french. Authorities and lease accusation that the covert military aid was a gift from france. Not a sale former shake concludes his report by noting quote. Today mr dean loaded with grief finds himself suddenly an harshly recalled. He is ordered to go to give an account of his conduct and to justify himself from many faults which they do not designate also expressing support for dean foreign minister version sent a letter to dean in late march attesting to francis preparation of his work as a diplomat. In part it read quote the king desirous of giving you a personal testimony of his satisfaction with your conduct as charged me to inform this year. The president of congress of it this is the object of the letters which messrs gerard will deliver you for mr hancock. He will also deliver you a box with a portrait of the king. The box which was a gift to dean included a portrait of the king that was made of gold and encrusted with diamonds. A show of gratitude and support for service in france further. The king of france directed that dean be a guest aboard the french fleet. That would sail to america along with the new french minister to america. Conrad alexandra girard in the view of everyone in the french government of delegate franklin and of dean personally he should have been returning to america in success he had secured the french alliance sent many successful officers and had been the source of much -tary aid over the previous years upon his arrival in philadelphia. In july seventeen seventy eight. Dean met with president. Henri lawrence warrants was cordial and congratulated dean on.

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"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

American Revolution Podcast

02:58 min | 6 months ago

"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

"Morris had secured the appointment of his half brother. Thomas morris as an american agent in france thomas was supposed to deal with price ships that were captured and other financial matters. Unfortunately thomas did not share his brother's business acumen or attention to duty thomas. Morris spent most of his time in france drinking and partying. Dean had reported this behavior to congress. Well congress was trying to sort out this mess. Thomas morris fell ill and died in january. Seventeen seventy eight at the age of twenty six robert morris took great offense in part not believing the accusations that dean levied against his brother and also that dean had made the issue public to congress. Rather than writing to morris privately. The result was that morris was hostile to dean and franklin at the time. Arthur lee had levy charges against both dean and franklin but franklin was seen as a success in france and still had many supporters in congress because of this dean rather than franklin became the primary focus of concern so after two years abroad without any support among the delegates in philadelphia congress. Recall dean to answer questions about the accusations against him. In their letter to dean congress did not mention the charges of financial mismanagement and fraud instead dean simply received a letter saying he was being recalled for consultation about the situation in europe. Team was savvy enough to realize that this was more than just factfinding. The congress would not be recalling him unless they had reason to question his performance however he had no idea what the details of those questions would be so before he left. France stink consulted with franklin with more shea and with their gen about his recall. And let everyone know that he was returning to philadelphia. Franklin's letter to congress gives the best description of what team did or didn't know about this situation. Franklin gave dean this letter dated march thirty first seventeen. Seventy eight to pass along to president of congress. Letter says in part my colleague. Mr dean is being recalled by congress and no- reasons given that yet appeared.

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"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

American Revolution Podcast

05:29 min | 6 months ago

"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

"Hello and thank you for joining the american revolution today. Episode one ninety three the dean hearings few weeks ago. I mentioned that silas deane returned to america with the french fleet that arrived in july seventeen. Seventy eight congress had recalled him sending a letter in december. Seventeen seventy seven to report on the affairs in europe. Dean had received this letter in march and then took a few weeks to wrap up his affairs and plan his return to philadelphia. By the time he returned dean had spent about two years in france. Congress had requested that he go there to serve as an advocate before the french court. In march seventeen seventy six. The inexperienced merchant from connecticut took up the task without knowing a word of french or even having any personal contacts in france despite these limitations teen had managed to make personal contact with key leaders at versailles and to begin a partnership with pierre bomar shea to begin sending arms and supplies back to america. He accomplished all this despite being on his own. In france for nearly a year. By the end of seventeen seventy six congress appointed benjamin franklin and arthur lee to work with dean in france together. The commissioners had not only sent shiploads of arms and supplies dozens of french officers but also managed to finalise tu treaties with france and bring their new ally into the war with britain. Deans mission had been a success and he returned. Home should have been in tribe that however was not the case. Almost since team's arrival in europe arthur lee waged a campaign to attack ins character and behavior in hopes of having dean recalled. Arthur lee had been living in london. When the war began he was a member of the powerful lee family of virginia and had two brothers. Sitting in the continental congress is legal. Practice in london had helped him to establish himself as a colonial agent before the war. Lee attempted to work with pierre. Bomar shea to get french military supplies to america. Once the war began but go marseille ended up for me a partnership with silas deane to further. Oh same ends. That seems to have been the origin of lease hostility toward dean. Lee began a covert letter writing campaign to powerful people in america including his two brothers in the continental congress asserting that team was defrauding congress by demanding payment for aid that the government of france intended to begin free of charge. This however was not the case. France did provide several generous loans to get the project started. However french officials expected the assistant program to become self-sustaining as america paid back those loans with the delivery of tobacco..

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"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

American Revolution Podcast

02:03 min | 6 months ago

"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

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"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

American Revolution Podcast

04:19 min | 11 months ago

"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

"Joining the American Revolution podcast after show. Thanks as always to train aunts and George Davis for their continued support at the Alexander Hamilton club level on patreon. Thanks also to James Kerrigan who made a generous one-time donation via PayPal and to George Waller who made a generous one-time donation via venmo. George is also a patron and supporter at the Minuteman level. So I'm doubly grateful for the double support this week. We looked at the final months of negotiations just led to the 1st franco-american treaties making France America's oldest Ally and before you all start sending your emails about how Morocco recognize the US before France. I really don't consider that the same thing you'll probably read on trivia sites on the internet about how Morocco was really the first country to recognize the United States. A few months before the treaties with France Sultan Muhammad, the third of Morocco issued a decree opening ports to American ships because the explicitly recognized us ships as being separate from England people claim that this is an implicit recognition of American independence, but in larger scheme of things the sultan was just looking to allow more trade. It wasn't a treaty and really didn't do anything significant to benefit the us or anyone else. So as far as I'm concerned French recognition was the first real recognition of United States as an independent nation. And France is America's first, and oldest Ally now Benjamin Franklin gets most of the credit for convincing France to finalize treaties, and I think deservedly so Of course events of the war were the most important factor in getting France to go along but Franklin's popularity and his ability to play into French fears of a British American conciliation and his General personality and getting along with the elite of France all helped to push along the negotiations. I think Silas Deane also deserves credit, especially given the unfair criticisms that he would have to weather over the coming years. He really deserved better Arthur leafy third commissioner in France. Just well, I still think he was more of a hinderance to the whole Affair in the months following the treaties Congress of points Franklin to become Minister plenty of potent area of France and effectively had the Diplomatic Corps for All European relations with the United States Silas Deane returns to America to confront the charges against him. Which originated dog Arthur Lee and we'll be discussing those in a future episode the charges generally were never proven and in my opinion were completely unfounded but they were never took less devastating to Dean's career. John Adams is already on his way to replace Silas Deane. Although Adams would go on to have a lengthy diplomatic career home. He was not a particularly diplomatic guy and would regularly get into squabbles with his fellow diplomats Arthur Lee after all this was supposed to go to Spain to walk on the lights with that country. The American Commissioners would have been pretty happy to get rid of him. However, the Spanish would not let him into the country. Again Lea wage, of course had visited Spain before this, but Spain was not ready to go to war with Britain and they thought that allowing an American Diplomat into the country would only help push it toward them. Or that it was trying to avoid instead Lee remained in Paris. Eventually, he would return to America and would end up taking a seat in the Continental Congress will also hear more from the French negotiator of the treaties Conrad Alexandra Gerard who will end up traveling to America to become Francis first ambassador to the United States home and I'm sure his adventures in America will come up in future episodes..

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"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

American Revolution Podcast

03:54 min | 11 months ago

"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

"Ticonderoga Club. And how's victory at Brandywine reaching Paris the ministry thought the Rebellion might be coming to an end at that point. It ceased all written communication with the Commissioners officials suggested a friendship Captain accused of delivering War supplies to the Americans and the government recovered several prize ships captured by the Americans which were in French ports and returned home to their British owners. If the rebellion was about to end France wanted to be able to maintain its relationship with Britain and it was perfectly ready to kick the Americans to the curb in order to protect themselves from British wrath Frances outlook on the prospects of the war changed when news of the surrender of burgoyne's army at Saratoga reached France in December and their behavior as a result also began to change the victory at Saratoga was proof that the Americans were a serious challenge to the British they could defeat them. Army of British regulars in the field and force the surrender of an entire Army something that not even European armies had done before news of General Washington's defeat at Germantown also helped convince the French government that it was time to put a ring on it with America Washington had lost at Brandywine and then lost Philadelphia to General Howe's Army for many countries a military defeat and the loss of one's Capital would force them to sue for peace. France was impressed that the Continentals were prepared to counter attacks so quickly by breaking at Germantown it made clear that there was no intent to give up even if this attack was not successful in late November Franklin received word that the Americans house yaphe at Saratoga. The letter was written before burgoyne's final surrender, but after it became clear that surrender was inevitable Franklin passed along this information to the court of Versailles home two days later King Louis personally signed a request that the commission resubmit a request for formal alliance with France Franklin took a couple of weeks to draft the proposed. Hey, submitting it to Versailles on December 8th Seventeen seventy seven, although he would not know it for months on the very same day December 8th the Continental Congress York approved an order for Silas Deane to return to America to give an account of his Affairs in Europe. This was another leap in the long-running feud between a Arthur Lee and Silas Deane in earlier episodes. I talked about Lee's annoyance that beaumarchais and Dean were benefiting from the covert Aid that the French government wanted Dead. Go to America, the two men had arranged sales contracts to send War supplies on credit to America in exchange for Promises of American Tobacco to be sold in Europe with Lee wanted in on those contracts and the valuable commissions that came along with them. He had for some time sent word back to important people in America that Dean Palmer's Shea were ripping off America by selling War supplies that the French government had secretly offered to provide free of charge Lee also complained that both Dean and Franklin had British spies working on their staffs and that they frequently refused to keep Dean up to speed about their discussions with officials at Versailles since Lee had two brothers serving in the Continental Congress Richard Henry Lee and Francis Lightfoot Lee his accusations. Had a ready audience. Others that were receptive to Lee's accusations included John and Samuel Adams and.

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"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

American Revolution Podcast

13:49 min | 1 year ago

"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

"Thank you for joining the American Revolution Today. Episode One forty one the Continental Congress returns to Philadelphia when we last left congress in the winter of Seventeen. Seventy six seventy seven. They had fled Philadelphia for Baltimore. The British in New Jersey had threatened to take Philadelphia and the politicians did not want to be there if that happened. General Washington of course eliminate that threat when he crossed the Delaware and captured the enemy at Trenton and Princeton then forced the British and Hessian still pull back their frontlines to the area of North Jersey around New York City with a threat removed. Congress returned to Philadelphia in March seventeen. Seventy seven not. Everyone else returned. Though John Adams in a letter to his wife noted that more than one half of the inhabitants remove themselves into the country. Most of those who remained were quakers who adams called dull as Beatles. Although everyone expected that the British would make another attempt on Philadelphia in the summer of seventeen. Seventy seven for the moment in the spring. There was no emergency. Congress once again turned its attention to the articles of confederation document that would authorize and define Congress's authority to do well anything. They did not actually agree on much of anything but they did agree to devote at least two days each week to working out and agreeable plan by the end of April. They had agreed to three articles. One of which contained the name of the document. A second affirmed that each of the separate states retain their sovereignty and a third to mutual defence of all states against any outside enemy. Another words fighting together in a war that they had already been fighting for two years. The second article was the only one that proved contentious. Congress had begun. Its debates using draft articles submitted by John Dickinson the Dickinson draft envisioned a more powerful national government. That would handle most matters leaving states only control over their internal affairs. The delegates rejected this approach instead. They viewed Congress as an international assembly of separate states. They would work together for mutual defense. They might unanimously agree to do some other things in cooperation but there was no way state could be forced by the others to do anything. It didn't want to do over the next few months. The delegates debated what additional powers? The states should give to Congress but they really couldn't agree on much of anything once again. The most contentious issues were over. Voting and representation whether states should be represented by population or with equal representation for each state. These debates pushed on for months when in July Congress once again voted to table the debates on the articles since they could not reach any consensus. Congress would just continue to operate without any guiding document. Congress took up other various matters on other issues during the same time on June fourteenth. Seventeen seventy seven. It passed a resolution saying that the flag of the thirteen United States be thirteen stripes alternating red and white that the union be thirteen stars. Wait in a Bluefield representing a new constellation. That is why we celebrate Flag Day on June fourteenth back in episode eighty nine. I talked about the story of Betsy. Ross creating the first flag in May seventeen seventy six. I mentioned at the time that there was no good contemporary evidence of the Betsy. Ross story being true. The story comes from Ross family lawyer and was not written down until decades after all the contemporaries were dead. It is still quite possible that the story is true. The flags creation was not a momentous event that would necessarily be recorded at the time but if there was a flag in seventeen seventy six there is no record of it being flown and Congress certainly didn't authorize it as the official flag until June. Seventeen seventy seven when it did that. Congress's main purpose for the resolution. In June seventeen seventy seven was to create a standard ensign for naval ships. It did not specify that the stars on the flag be put in a circle. There are some flags from that time that have different star designs. The first mention of the site of a new flag came a few months later in August. Seventeen seventy seven making flag day. A celebration did not become a thing until more than a century later after the civil war there was however one celebration that Congress was ready for at the end of the day on July. Second Congress adjourned for two days to celebrate the first anniversary of the Declaration of independence on July Fourth. Seventeen seventy seven congress and all of Philadelphia's celebrated worships and galleys gathered at Philadelphia decorated in red white and blue and with streamers each of the ships fired. A thirteen gun volley in honor of the thirteen independent states. A newspaper article reported that quote. The evening was closed with the ringing of bells and at night there was a grand exhibition of fireworks which began and concluded with thirteen rockets on the Commons and the city was beautifully illuminated. Everything was conducted with the greatest order and decorum and the face of joy and gladness was universal. Thus may the fourth of July that glorious an ever memorable day be celebrated through America by the Sons of freedom from age to age till time shall be no more according to another report? A band made up of Hessian. Pow's from Trenton played for crowds in Philadelphia on that day as well with the first independent. Stay celebration over. Congress got back to work another contentious issue for Congress was the promotion of generals that Sprang Congress commissioned a few more Brigadier Generals George Clinton of New York Edward Hand of Pennsylvania. Charles Scott Virginia Evans learned of Massachusetts and Jedidiah Huntington of Connecticut during the Baltimore Session. Congress had agreed to give primary consideration to three factors when promoting generals one was merit. The second was seniority. The third was the numbers of troops supplied by each state. In other words estate that provided more soldiers to the army would get more general officers. Of course each of these were general factors with no firm rule on how they should be applied or even how much weight each be given so it really didn't solve anything but whatever little value. The resolution had got thrown out the window when French officers began to arrive with notes from the American commissioners in Paris promising them commissions and officer ships in the continental army. These men had no seniority in America. Were not from any state that supplied troops and whose merit was a matter of debate. Most even did not speak English in March. After receiving word of dozens of French officers making their way to America Congress passed a resolution saying that unless the officer had mastered English and had top recommendations he would not be accepted. The problem was congress could not simply anger French officers. Who had taken the trouble to come across. America with promises already made turning them away would possibly ruined chances of forming a military alliance with France in the spring of seventeen seventy seven. Many of the French officers promised commissions as general or other high ranking officers arrived in America now up until this time the only French general in the continental army was Matthias Day Fermoy. That was the soldier of Fortune. Who Somehow sale to America from the French? West indies. In late? Seventeen seventy six to this day. We know nothing about his real background. Before coming to America he claimed to be a kernel engineers in the French army. Although there are no records of his service I mentioned Fair Moi in episode one twenty five when he commanded a small force near Trenton and at the first sight of the enemy ran away abandoning his soldiers. People were beginning to suspect that he was a fraud but for now he was still serving many by seventeen seventy seven were ready to consider any Frenchman claiming titles and experience to be imposters. Though in France Silas Deane had already approved dozens of French officers to serve in America. Many of them had attempted to sail. In December seventeen seventy six aboard three ships that Dean and his French counterpart Bomar Shea had packed full of supplies and plan to sail out of Havre. I mentioned this back in episode one fifteen when British Ambassador Lord Stormont caught wind to the venture and forced the French Foreign Minister version to shut the whole thing down. Only one ship got out and it ended up turning around and got stopped as well. Most of the officers look for another option. The first one to successfully make it was lieutenant. Colonel Philip who bear predom- deboer whose name I probably pronounced horribly. But that's the best yet. He arrived in Portsmouth New Hampshire on March seventeenth. Seventeen seventy seven aboard the mercury. One of Dean's supply. Ships was able to make its way to America in April about a month after his arrival. Congress approved aboard commission and backdated the date of his commission as Brigadier General to December. First Seventeen seventy six this backdating retroactively put him ahead of sixteen other brigadiers who had received commission since then to bore by. This time was almost fifty years old. He had fought as a cavalry officer in the war of Austrian succession where he was badly wounded and lost the use of one hand although still active as an officer in the seven years war. There's no record of his active participation in any battles before leaving for America he was serving as an artillery brigadier an area. The continentals needed experienced officers. He took command of a regain of mostly. Maryland regiments along with one from Quebec which was made up of many French. Speaking soldiers a month later. Another of Dean supply ships. The effort trait arrived in Portsmouth. This time carrying two men holding commissions as Generals Thomas Conway as Brigadier and Philip Charles Duke. Oh dre as major general. The infiltrate was ship that had gotten away in December but returned back to France a few days later after that stoppage it finally did slip out of France at the end of January and made a difficult three month. Voyage to New Hampshire. The officers from their made their way overland to Philadelphia to present their credentials. Now I actually mentioned Thomas Conway last week. When he commanded troops at the battle short hills. But I really didn't give any background on him. At that time Conway was born an Irish Catholic. His family moved to France when he was a child to escape the restrictions on Catholics in Ireland. Conway joined the French army at age. Fourteen in France's Irish brigade a special group for Irish ex patriots serving in France. Through this service. He rose to the rank of colonel because Conway was not only an experienced officer but also spoke English. Congress approved his commission as a brigadier in. May just a few months. After his arrival Conway entered service as an infantry. Commander do cordray was another matter. Dean had offered him command of artillery and engineering for the continental army. The current commander General Henry. Knox made clear that he would resign from the army if Congress put him under the command of cowdray. Congress spent most of the summer to baiting what to do about all.

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"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

American Revolution Podcast

14:15 min | 1 year ago

"silas deane" Discussed on American Revolution Podcast

"Thank you for joining the American Revolution Today. Episode One thirty one the Continental Congress Baltimore Edition over the last few weeks. We've covered some of the most pivotal events of the revolution. The massive British army under general. How invaded New York? A New Jersey sending the continental army fleeing before it the continental army than counter to retake Jersey. And last week we looked at events. Events in the south over the same period as Tories in Florida with their creek and seminole allies seemed to have no trouble pushing into patriot. Control troll Georgia. Today I WanNa talk about what the Continental Congress was doing as all these events unfolded as the British army push toward Philadelphia in December. Seventeen seventy six. The continental army was not able to mount much of any defense. Many on both sides assume that the British would take Philadelphia before ending the years offensive members of Congress not eager to become prisoners. War decided to leave Philadelphia Philadelphia on December twelfth. The Congress voted to adjourn and reconvene in Baltimore Maryland. The following week in in Baltimore locals. I offered Congress the courthouse but it was too small instead. Congress rented the Henry Fight House which actually was a hotel and tavern on the western edge of town. The three story fourteen room brick building had several rooms large enough for committee meetings at the time it was the largest building in Baltimore. Congress rented the building from fight for three months. For sixty pounds sterling overall members. Were not happy with Baltimore. It was not the charming city that exists today as one member put it. The town was exceedingly expensive and exceedingly dirty. That at times members could make their way to the Assembly Hall only on horseback through the deep mud in his diary John Adams called it the dirtiest place in the world there was also a hundred and seven year. Wait for Orioles. Tickets tickets putting aside the conditions in Baltimore. Congress got to work remember. Mid December was the low point of the Patriot movement. Everyone expected the British to take Philadelphia. The continental army might be captured in the process. And if not officers and soldiers jurors were already deserting what they saw as a lost cause congress had been reluctant to turn over much power to General Washington and the rest of the military Terry leadership for fear of losing civilian control of the army since there was no executive branch. Congress itself had to act as a department department of war trying to run everything through committees with the current chaos of events. Congress voted on December twenty seventh give General Washington special powers for six months to raise his own army from the states. Appoint officers and take appropriate. Action against uncooperative cooperative civilians. This was the day after Washington's victory at Trenton. But the timing was purely coincidental. It's not clear whether word of the victory had even reached Congress by the time of the vote. The matter had been under debate for several days prior so this was not about handing how power to a victorious general it was about Congress effectively admitting that it was not capable of making the necessary executive decisions that had to remade decisively and quickly by a commander in chief Congress placed a six month time limit on the powers to make sure that Washington did not become a a dictator with the army on the verge of collapse and the only serious replacement for Washington. General Charles Lee now a British prisoner Congress decided it had to go all in depending on Washington to run the army as best saw fit. Congress expressed concern about some recent prisoners as as well it directed Washington to investigate and protests General House treatment of Richard Stockton whose capture I discussed back in episode one. Eighteen treatment of captured member of the Continental Congress was an issue near and dear to the hearts of the rest of the members. Congress Congress also denounced British treatment of Charles Lee when initially captured. There were rumors that Li was going to be shipped back to England and hanged as a deserter or Trader Congress affirmed Washington's position that if the British hanged in American general the Americans would hang a British officer of the same name rank by the time Congress passed this resolution though the British were already treating Lee quite well. They allowed Lee to send for his dogs and in his servants General How met personally with Lee during this time. How eventually got lead to send a letter to Congress asking them to send a the delegation to New York to discuss peace terms by mid February though it appeared that the Americans were back on the offensive and Congress rejected acted Lee's proposal? Congress was not ready to consider any peace proposal if Britain did not recognize American independence and that position required quired military victory. Washington's minor victories in New Jersey had been a huge boost for morale but they did not really change the thinking on either her side. That Britain would eventually crush the rebellion. Unless the American psyche get a few more countries involved. I mentioned back in episode one fifteen fifteen that Congress had appointed Benjamin Franklin and Arthur Lee to work as commissioner along with Silas Deane in France. They needed to pull France into the war with Britain. Congress however did not want to rely on France alone. Franklin had only arrived in France in late December before Franklin could do much of anything let alone get any reports back to Congress. The delegates added to Franklin's duties by appointing him to serve as a commissioner to the court of Spain. Both France and Spain had lost colonies to Britain during the seven years war. Congress hope that both both countries find this an opportune time to reclaim lost. Real Estate. While Britain was tied up with America entry of any other a European power into the war against Britain would force London to spread its resources more thinly and give America a better chance of holding onto onto its independence. I'm going to get into Franklin's exploits in Paris in a future episode but for now I WANNA point out that Congress this was already expanding his role and attempting to get whatever European powers into a war. That would improve American odds of winning Congress. Also so was not convinced that anyone could convince France to start a new war with Britain if they could not get France into the war congress at least hope to receive leave more covert assistance in the form of munitions and other supplies needed to help with the war effort as if there was not enough going on political leaders. In the New Hampshire grants met any convention in the town of Westminster they drafted their own declaration of independence calling align themselves the Republic of new Connecticut a few months later they would change the name to Vermont. The declaration was especially controversial because New York still considered this territory to be part of New York anxious not to annoy the New York delegation. Congress opted to ignore Noor this declaration entirely not approving or criticizing it it would not receive a delegation from the self-proclaimed Republic nor or do anything else to recognize it status. The people of Vermont would have to wait more than a decade to get any recognition for this reason. I'm Moley mentioning this in passing for now I will talk more about the politics of Vermont. Independence in a future episode. A much more immediate problem for Congress was money. Congress had been pumping out millions of dollars in paper money which were essentially promises that the bearer someday would receive Steve Hard currency but especially when it looked like the British might win. No one wanted to accept the continental currency. Since a British victory meant there would be nobody around to make good on that paper even when the Americans look like they had a chance. Victory though continental paper continually tenuously suffered from hyperinflation. Congress had no plan in place to receive any hard money that is golden silver to pay off the paper. Ver- states would not give power to collect taxes it could only get anything from the states if the states unanimously agreed to such Japan and Congress never seen capable of getting them to do that on January. Fourteenth Congress passed some recommendations for states to come them up with tax money but for a people fighting war over a foreign government trying to collect taxes from the states. There was a strong inclination nation for many states to oppose this anyone ever getting anything of value in exchange for their paper currency continued to look like quite a gamble. Congress only response to this was to order people to accept the money at face value in exchange for their goods. The the only time this really worked was when soldiers pointed their guns at merchants and ordered them to turn over their goods in exchange for paper or go to jail as a result. Few people were willing to supply the government with much of anything during this session. Congress approved barring another thirteen million dollars. There's through the sale of loan certificates it increase the interest rates from four percent to six percent but even with these changes. The risks were too two high for most speculators. In December and January New England leaders met at a conference in Providence Rhode Island to discuss plus the growing problems of government credit and currency acceptance. Although over in Britain Adam Smith had just published his new book the the wealth of Nations. No one in America seemed interested in the invisible hand of the market. Instead delegates recommended the establishment of mandatory reprises range of commonly needed goods and forcing merchants to accept paper money at those prices the continental Congress endorsed I the New England conferences recommendations and also recommended that the middle and southern states hold similar conferences. This of course only continued continued to devalue the continental dollar and created even more economic chaos across the continent but to be fair Congress really had had no choice it had no power to raise money through taxes and little chance of obtaining that power in the foreseeable future states would not come come up with the necessary funds to prosecute the war as a result. Delegates saw no option other than to continue to print paper money and force people to accept it in exchange for goods and services so in addition to building a diplomatic core and creating a new economic system out of nothing congress also spent considerable time running military affairs although they had just given Washington a great deal of authority over such things. Congress Congress could not help but metal in disputes. That came to its attention. Congress had appointed Jon Morgan as physician in Chief of the army back in October. Tober seventeen seventy five. This was right after it removed. Benjamin Church on suspicion of espionage. Dr Morgan had been a quaker physician in Philadelphia before the war but had served in the French and Indian war and left his quaker upbringing behind many years before the revolution started he became a committed patriot and by most accounts served reasonably well as physician in chief for well over a year. The big complaint against him was that that he was unable to make medical supplies available to regimental surgeons but the problem there was not administrative competence. It was that the continental army army had no supplies and no money to buy them. Dr William Shippen also from Philadelphia and doctor Samuel Stringer of Albany. Vigny both tried to undermine Morgan and have him replaced. In the fall of seventeen. Seventy six congress had decided to divide medical Michael Authority Liberty Morgan's authority to New England.

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"silas deane" Discussed on The Art of Manliness

The Art of Manliness

04:42 min | 2 years ago

"silas deane" Discussed on The Art of Manliness

"He was fluent in French German. But and translate he even he brought a French shift Develey, the guy quit after forty eight houses did not know this not for me. But. What really intrigued me about von Steuben was he also arrived at Valley Forge with a resume. That was doctored up than the mayo clinic. Now, I'll step back to explain that on Steuben had risen to the rank of captain in Frederick, the greats Prussian army now, of course, Frederick the great at the time was the most renowned military commander in the western world and his Prussian army, although small was the most feared they used to say that Frederick the great at an army with the country as opposed to a country with an army on Steuben had learned under Frederick, the great something that no other western officer had not in France, not Poland Britain, Italy, certainly not the continental army United States, and that was Frederick the great made his officers live eat and breathe with the enlisted get down in the muck and mire with them. All the other armies thought the officers that were. This was below offer station we leave that to the sergeants corporals NCO on stupid knew how to drill army. So when he kinda shows up in France in the counter version once again, Amanda Frenchman in the middle of a lot of this introduces them to Franklin, and Silas Deane now, of course, their initial reaction is a crush now. Now, no, we're already getting screaming letters from Washington. Not to send any more of these mercenaries he soldiers fortune over to the United States. But it only took a few interviews with on Stoobant ale. Chatted in French for them to realize Franklin, especially this is just the man that washing the needs to turn his disparate conglomeration of militias into a well oiled fighting machine. He knows what he's doing knows how to train knows how to drill, but he dean of Jan got together. And he's said, what are we gonna do? Those only captain Washington's rejecting the generals were sunny over. So suddenly. On students captain's bars recklessly disappeared from shoulder and replaced by general stars. And he became inspector general of Frederick degrades, crush Rb. Which of course, he never was. And he became a principal aide to camp to Frederick the great for over decade, of course, which he never did. But this is the way that they figure they can get him into the states later on when it gets exposed will figure it out. But for now, let's get him over and sure enough he shows up within his first week at valley. Forge the enlisted men junior officers, and even the American generals who are very suspicious of foreigners. He's ingratiated himself to every one of them is first week. He's writing memos to Washington, you cannot have your latrines run willy nilly through the bread baking of territory, you gotta put him on the other side of the hell you let's grade the roads in front of the huts through two thousand hunts. They built a Valley Forge let's grade those roads and give them Reggie. Mental names to give the soldiers sense of professionalism within days Washington had told all his other officers. Do not train your men the training is gonna come from this Prussian Washington gave on stupid his personal guard fifty men chosen other fifty men from the states that were Representative alley Ford and said to student trainings one hundred men and then spread them out throughout the army as your sub traitors. So everyday von Steuben would take these one hundred men out on the debris onto the prayed ground valley. Forge and the other soldiers didn't have a lot to do. So there's thousands of lined up in a square and square watching stupid and action. And sure enough on Steuben would get down on his rather large gut in a muck in the mire teach them how to read to rain or pick up heat. He doffed his coat and throw away is riding crop pick up a musket CHOGM the proper way to put to put a bayonet in. Somebody's gut and then twisted the men took to this like never before. And this is the other one of the many reasons why I love on stupid. He was of prickly for detail use brushing expect and when someone made a mistake or did something wrong, or somehow incurred von Steuben Zeier as I said before he had no English French German will Washington had assigned Lafayette and Lawrence as his translators..

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"silas deane" Discussed on The Art of Manliness

The Art of Manliness

04:18 min | 2 years ago

"silas deane" Discussed on The Art of Manliness

"On US orders as well as flexible payment options right now if you purchase two wedding rings. So if you're thinking about getting married if you purchase two wedding rings from brilliant earth. You'll include complementary pair of diamond earrings in your order this offer only lasts until the end of the year. So head to brilliant earth dot com slash manliness to see terms and details again, brilliant earth dot com slash manliness. And now back to the show. So I mean, Washington's basically just haven't held at time right now, he's faced these defeats his army is about to fall apart. So what I loved about the book as you described his inner circle these characters that kind of booted him up and the one the one that really stuck at me. We started talking we'd be in the show talking about yet. I mean, I knew of him, but I didn't know much about him until I read the book, and I made me like fall in love with this guy. This guy sounded amazing who's nineteen years old to tell us how did this aristocratic French kid, basically ended up being Washington's basically kind of Dopp good, son? Well. L commonly contend in our book Valley Forge that the shared core values that men like Lafayette Hamilton. Greene mad, Anthony, Wayne, and John Laurens their share chord. Core of values was the most productive generation of statesmen at the United States has ever produced. We say this knowing full well about Lincoln's team of rivals and FDR's kitchen cabinet. But these men stood out. I believe out. Don't forget was it sounds it's easy to be sarcastic about this now, but this was another era and these were idealists, and there was none more ideal in the Marquis Lafayette when he arrived in the United States in August of seventeen seventy seven as you said he was nineteen years old. He he turned twenty around the time of the brandy one. He wanted to fight he at read about American ideals, and he believed that he could. Fight in this war and take that ideology back to France with him and Washington who for the most part hate it. The foreign mercenaries have been Franklin and his associate Silas Deane to American diplomats in Paris. They were sending all these. I love this words, he wrote to my read the letters stop, sending me these pump. And Jay's a good word is fallen into disuse, but these were predominantly Frenchman, and it came over with no English, and they expected to be handed a general sash the moment, they set foot on United States soil and Washington just had no use for these people. But Lafayette was different think Washington saw some of his younger self in Lafayette in the food. She has for the battlefield honors because Washington was very much that way in his younger days during the with the seven years war, which we called the French and Indian war and there was something about Lafayette. Help at Lafayette was the only man washing. It was a toll man who was six three at a time. When I guess the average high was maybe five nine and Lafayette was toll enough using only look Washington in the eye and Washington there was a double edged sword with Lafayette, not only did he personally. Come to consider him, his surrogate son don't wash to trial was he had a yet a stepson Jackie Custos with Martha custody, but he had no children of his own Lafayette was about the right age for him to have been George Washington, son. And I'll give you a perfect anecdote at the battle of brandy wine creek win took a bullet hole musket ball in his leg. Washington sought out the surgeons attending to Lafayette at treat him as you would my own son. Now, there's that there's that personal connection between the two, but there's also Washington as I said before was learning to become a canny political atom. And he knew that Lafayette was writing back to France about the American struggle for independence, especially to the French Foreign Minister the count division who had the ear of the boy king. Louis extent would go a long way to bringing friendship France into the war. He needed Lafayette. A heat with..

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