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"sierra leone" Discussed on Make Sierra Leone Famous
"Peace. Everyone come together. Let us work card. The grave is not yet finished led his heart. Be at peace at once sudden-death commands. Everyone's attention like a firing gun. Sudden-death commands everyone's attention. Oh elders or heads of family sudden-death commands. Everyone's attention like a distant drumbeat. Thank you for listening. Thank you to our guest. I said to smith for sharing all the great work. That's being done to preserve bunce island. I hope some of you listening can visit and get to visit after this pandemic year is away from us. This is also the last show for the season of the make. Sierra leone famous podcast. It has been an amazing journey exploring our history culture and identity with you over the past year. We're going to spend the next several months planning new conversations and looking for ways to continue to make sierra leone famous for all the right reasons. Thank you well nine dollars so for today. On addition of make sierra leone famous. We've me your host viki remote. Forget to subscribe to this podcast wherever you listen tab..
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"sierra leone" Discussed on Make Sierra Leone Famous
"Former head of the monuments and relics commission. I aissatou to smith is our guest today. mrs smith. Welcome to the mix early on famous. Podcast how're you doing today. I'm going to thank you. For having me bruce here first of all. Tell me how you became involved in the preservation of sierra leone's heritage. How did you get into this work. Okay thank you okay. So how did i get into this world. I actually got into this work in the early. Nineteen ninety s and after. I graduated from college. In bachelor's degree follows in geography. I was restarted teaching assistants. As we call for like two years and i was appointed where needed to make a move. I was supposed to before postgraduate studies. What i didn't work out then. I had an announcement on the radio time that the rookie union was funding some youth group. Who were interested in. Fostering ties between the people of sierra leone and the people of south georgia and this was underpinned by research that joseph paula and american anthropologist who was raised it in sierra dot. Fine these was on the recession. That's here's dawn. That's discovered the link between both signed and the people of south carolina judge so he had given a series of public lectures and a group of youth from willing seen instead of freetown heard about him and they are him and saying they were interested in working with him to see how the foster ties between sierra leone. Like each people in south carolina and georgia so the catalog story shots and projects propose. I was put together and the espn that time agree to funding through the national office. But the bulk of these youths. We are on indicated to mr pilot decided that was needed for graduates who could in a particular this history better and go on throw of educational institutions around the country sharing the history of ceylon. The sale use wjr in detroit. Atlantic's live free and our unique connecting people saw. Md you follow the workshop and this council wearing graduates where an ax to apply to be part of this workshop and the deal laws. That's at the end of the workshop. It test was going to be given. And the candidates with the highest mac will be hired as education officer of this new project. We're putting so. That's how i got involved. I attended the workshop by gustav. And god i called the is mark and i was hired as education of south when outfits called the girl kinship. A situation at that time. So that's how. I started working with heritage matters. What did we do bala. And this was in one thousand nine hundred ninety three okay. I know a lot of people may never have heard of justice l. pileup but he's an anthropologist. He came to sierra leone. As a peace corps volunteer in the seventies and that kick started his fascination with bunsen island's history. his anthropological research has created and deepen connections between sierra leone and the gullick ichi people in north and south carolina and georgia. We're going to put links to his work in the podcast notes. Okay so tell me a little bit more about bunsen island. What are some of the things that people don't know that make it a very fascinating heritage sites for sierra leone. They so much talk about bonsai even know where to begin. But it's a fascinating place like you rightly said and it's Just seventy miles up river from freetown and they say estuary you know you go past the grim point and is adjacent to propel which is a mining town and it is sad to look that even though both john is a huge international name recognition magento saying unions did not know that such a place existed right under our noses when i got involved in ninety-three i'd never heard of a silent preston visible also was when we all went spot of the training workshop. That was my face off once island of birds. Well it is. A unique island is very tiny. The just sixteen hundred feets long until now fifty feet wide and it's is a dilemma of modification in history. And when you get there you wonder. Why was this folks bids displaced why not on task so ireland wales on other islands. And you win you start delve into the of salen you come to know that. Because of defense and trade properties the trigger decided to keep the fortum balls island lantau island. We're actually i was built but tasso has gipp water all around and it was indefensible. You attack it from all around. So the photos moved to bonds. Which is i didn't of navigation. Ocean-going investment can only go as fast bonds and they cannot go beyond bonds or you will run. I show because the shallow waters in also did this day located there on silent at abaco boss island at the mouth of the two major rivers local creek. And you're okay areva. That's empty into the estuary. So boss was strategically located. I know it was a fresh pot of core for traders coming from the interior down these two middle river we so detroit ceylon in addition to being able to defend the island. When the attacked do i have to could not effectively. Defend the island located at limit of navigation. The were able to escape from the upriver. Beach and fleet to a friendly african village with the attack has to leave and come back and rebuild the island by these that defensive outlets that do not have tasso island so in addition to defense advantage. They've also get. I look at goods coming down from imperial because they were the first part of coal. So barnes is a very unique place. Because when you go there you i can back into. Time is only islands initials fresh national monuments. It is very quiet most of the time except when are on sites or when you have on site and it is completely abandoned and it saudis or abusive coastal. Look about it in rims. And you're ticking back into time and you're transported into when clitoris was going on there. If you have a very skillful saw guide you through the site you will be able to recreate the experience of what light lose lights way street was going on and i said it is in ruins what we are stabilized the winds through a project that we recently implemented. And i'm sure we'll talk about that down the road as we carry on this conversation. But it's where he's to slips docks reasonable who was the first chairman of the monuments unwillingness commission who we discovered i ninety nine hundred and fourteen abandoned four hundred years that is. What's he said he said. Boss place where history sleeps and you get that effect feeling when you get there in no because nothing else much as until did division projects it will just completely are banned muslim. Abby don rings in the with the vision project now when you see not some work has been done what. We're very careful not to take away. That's sense of being in a win in. It's not like we did not disney eight days no new technological advances or whatever what we merely stabilize the winds so it is a very special place to visit. It is a site of which sites in lots of africans perished alert sites where africans are subjected to inhuman treatment and it was a point. So shipments for thousands of africans where she to the americans to be enslaved in the american colonies of south carolina and georgia and the little flawed. So for me. How walked with love for so long. I never get tired of going there and just talk on on on on on.
"sierra leone" Discussed on Make Sierra Leone Famous
"Kind of miss. I would organize things on independence. Day open is conferences at places like chen house. When discuss things that were led to the development of the country and all of a sudden to close friends and relatives. I will say to them. Look i don't think is of what you might think. I don't think i can go and lift them. I don't know killing somebody after a week. Just out of frustration anger but you know the the win thing was when i was at the bbc. In spite of what about syria. I was actually having a fight with my bbc weddings. Many of them who worked in the Even the africa section were white and unfortunately Then probably still now. They've only fighting it but they had a culture of what they showed about. Africa was the negatives on so for the british public that ended up being perception of what africa was about. And i didn't want to buy into that opie of that. And so i would regularly have fights and arguments about twenty different story spite of how i felt about it because i knew there was another size. Sure it was so yeah that is such as because of the one hand and i think struggle with this because on the one hand you know the arts yes. Things are bad rate. You know that things are bad eight but on the other but also yes. Things are bad in many many ways on so many levels and yes. I'm even like right now. I don't even want to go to that place but at the realization that if that is the only narrative week towel then detail. Nice like when you only tell us then we become caricaturist. Were no longer human because we know that in the middle of a civil war civil strife in the worst kind of late. There's still joy still compassionate. they're still beauty is still all of. You can find art. That makes us all human right. So i think that's always the bureau like yeah. You know like when you're in it's like almost like this field seemed what's you know ali. We angry with anything awful. And you don't see close not advocates. Fiance exco khobar. Like not wanting to air near your during busy. Yes yes that's right. We tell other silent bulls but international toby's Not sell their exactly. That was is like amongst ourselves. We could talk really really kind of explicitly about how bad things were what we didn't the world in that because he knew that already the world was quite content with just spending the negative anyway and so people would say to me. Well you know. If it's so bad why did you going on holiday by childhood memories of my relatives of that you know these close aunties and uncles the people who every time i gotta finding all over the world who built off Brought up and so you know felt very close to them. Hi this is vicky mo from the make. Sierra leone famous podcast. I just wanted to say we really really appreciate all your comments. All your feedbacks. The emails the dm's every other way that you get back in touch with us if you really love this show and you want us to keep making content to make sure leeann famous. Don't forget to leave us a review. Thank you and now mic. We go back to make sierra leone. Famous right now is just gonna ask about now. You're just being mr sierra leone. Mr organized conference mr community like being a municipal building about being community builder while you're in the diaspora during a time. When home need no longer be the you remember or the holy wants to return to how do you. How did you you build community. Like one of the things did. Because i feel like right. Now you've been within the current climate that they're probably even more surliness today than there. Ever was a lot of healing. Big nonce go home but they still want to kind of seized community and also just get to a place where dot engagements can also reach back to sierra leone and make a positive impact. And that's kind of what i know of you so i just want to understand. How did you go about continuing even though your heart was broken and you were about find community building. What kind of activities did you do. And what made it possible. How do you love your your country your home country for some people. Maybe they were born there for something. They'd be naturalized. How did you work with the resources that were available there to continue to build community for sierra leone. I mean funny off. It was easy in a way because of us you know. Every school in syria amazon alumni association. Some way the world every village has a village descendants association somewhere. I would link up with those and so when you know. Anniversaries like the founding of free child or independence day. Something we would organize it. Locking always seemed to how interesting high commissioners who would invite to allow us to use the high commission as a venue for these events because it saves them having to planet themselves. There was one particularly bizarre incidents which was when the johnny paul koroma coup happened. That was not. I was with nine. Ninety seven may twenty fifth of may ninety seven at the bbc at the time. And i had gone to high commission with the world's press and all the west african high commissioners who've had gone there to support desert on high commission on i won't in and around my recorder and the high commissioner who was there refused to speak control and he called me out. He was my father's friend and he said he. Can you come on address. The media ended up giving it was locked in a sense to be.
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"That was lady felicia with salone felicia grants to ray aka lady. Felicia has been making music for seventeen years and now mic. We go back to make. Sarah leeann famous so he returned to the uk and do not return. Yeah i think That kind of made up my mind. That i would not combat other than the fact that i had family that visits regularly but i no longer started considering it at somewhere which is kind of strange because in the uk amongst the community. They sold me kind of miss. I would organize things on independence. Day open is conferences at places like chen house. When discuss things that were led to the development of the country and all of a sudden to close friends and relatives. I will say to them. Look i don't think is of what you might think. I don't think i can go and lift them. I don't know killing somebody after a week. Just out of frustration anger but you know the the win thing was when i was at the bbc. In spite of what about syria. I was actually having a fight with my bbc weddings. Many of them who worked in the Even the africa section were white and unfortunately Then probably still now. They've only fighting it but they had a culture of what they showed about. Africa was the negatives on so for the british public that ended up being perception of what africa was about. And i didn't want to buy into that opie of that. And so i would regularly have fights and arguments about twenty different story spite of how i felt about it because i knew there was another size. Sure it was so yeah that is such as because of the one hand and i think struggle with this because on the one hand you know the arts yes. Things are bad rate. You know that things are bad eight but on the other but also yes. Things are bad in many many ways on so many levels and yes. I'm even like right now. I don't even want to go to that place but at the realization that if that is the only narrative week towel then detail. Nice like when you only tell us then we become caricaturist. Were no longer human because we know that in the middle of a civil war civil strife in the worst kind of late. There's still joy still compassionate. they're still beauty is still all of. You can find art. That makes us all human right. So i think that's always the bureau like yeah. You know like when you're in it's like almost like this field seemed what's you know ali. We angry with anything awful. And you don't see close not advocates. Fiance exco khobar. Like not wanting to air near your during busy. Yes yes that's right. We tell other silent bulls but international toby's Not sell their exactly. That was is like amongst ourselves. We could talk really really kind of explicitly about how bad things were what we didn't the world in that because he knew that already the world was quite content with just spending the negative anyway and so people would say to me. Well you know. If it's so bad why did you going on holiday by childhood memories of my relatives of that you know these close aunties and uncles the people who every time i gotta finding all over the world who built off Brought up and so you know felt very close to them. Hi this is vicky mo from the make. Sierra leone famous podcast. I just wanted to say we really really appreciate all your comments. All your feedbacks. The emails the dm's every other way that you get back in touch with us if you really love this show and you want us to keep making content to make sure leeann famous. Don't forget to leave us a review. Thank you and now mic. We go back to make sierra leone. Famous right now is just gonna ask about now. You're just being mr sierra leone. Mr organized conference mr community like being a municipal building about being community builder while you're in the diaspora during a time. When home need no longer be the you remember or the holy wants to return to how do you. How did you you build community. Like one of the things did. Because i feel like right. Now you've been within the current climate that they're probably even more surliness today than there. Ever was a lot of healing. Big nonce go home but they still want to kind of seized community and also just get to a place where dot engagements can also reach back to sierra leone and make a positive impact. And that's kind of what i know of you so i just want to understand. How did you go about continuing even though your heart was broken and you were about.
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"More than sixteen hundred people have received ebola virus vaccinations in guinea where four have died in a new outbreak but more life saving jobs are needed to contain it the u. n. health agency has said to date eighteen. Ebola cases have been reported in the west african nation. Fourteen confirmed and four deaths according to the world health organization. Who only thirty thousand ebola. Vaccines are available out of a global stock of half a million a ring. Vaccination strategy has been employed to inhibit these spread of disease by vaccinating. Only those most likely to be infected but there are concerns that if ebola spreads outside guinea which shares a border with six other countries. they're only limited stocks of vaccines to respond his doctor. Ibrahima four assistant director general of. Who's emergency response. Unit millions that you're letting the context of cases the context of context context so this saturday. You are able to control the stables outbreak but in the future really more sis guineas last. Ebola outbreak started in two thousand fourteen and quickly spread to liberia sierra leone. It was the deadliest ebola outbreak since the virus was first detected in nineteen seventy six with twenty eight thousand cases and eleven thousand deaths
New Ebola Outbreak Declared in Guinea
"The un world health organization. Who thursday that. There's a very high risk of the ebola virus spreading in guinea after. An outbreak was announced last sunday in an update. Whol said that its concern was based on the unknown size duration and origin of the outbreak. It has led to five deaths so far in the southern region of missouri corey which borders sierra leone liberia and cote d'ivoire the first confirmed victim was a nurse from rural health center. He was initially diagnosed with typhoid and malaria. While her known contacts include a traditional healer and their family are potentially a large number of others and limited capacity to respond cautioned the agency guinea was one of the three most affected countries in the two thousand fourteen to two thousand sixteen west africa ebola outbreak which was the largest since the virus was first discovered in nineteen seventy six
"sierra leone" Discussed on Make Sierra Leone Famous
"Gone for the llama rats. Who i really just want to say. I appreciates what you're trying to do. Even if it's not the kind of thing that is going to be nationally transformative. I feel like us the act right. The swap hundred. It's over three hundred miles. Correct through munster hundred fifteen fifteen mineswee- hundred and fifteen miles from kind lounge to freetown and stopping along the way in towns to apologize to women to acknowledge the harm of sexual violence and violence against women girls to do also then get in In those communities to make a pledge take a stand for man. These are the kinds of things we need to be seeing in air in so many different ways In sierra leone across the country we it's like a you know lake. Not fumbled talk in a. It's about truth. it's about reconciliation. It's about healing but it's really about protection right like you want change. We really want change and the the trees that are going to be planting will tell us save spits those communities so that interest service a reminder everytime situations like those Rape all violence against 'cause that tree was soundlessly memory And Walked signify that there was in mom or people who walks to raise awareness on this issue. So we're also share for people who are interested in what you're trying to do with the walk and sterling foundation for new democracy. Where can they like. What kind of support you need like how do you. What do you need to get this work done at accomplished or honestly with need this one. Not absolutely we need. We need money money to and it's not really something may be but we need money to facilitate feeding no fourteen team members that are going to be on the walk. We need to take off multiple bites that we are going to hire to move around. And what is your budget right. Now we're looking at twelve thousand dollars To help pull this off In a way that Support so we have our websites the some of the foundation of democracy all www 'sella md dot. All one can go there and make on a. I have a feeling that whether you raises money or not. This walk is going to happen by like which one really sunk on this this and we all know that the jury of cases never have the first lady's signature program to be against why because a gauntlet custody player whip said national health imagi- so fundamental issue. This country that this walk has level and we are looking for partners looking for funding opportunities but also looking for somebody to attack. Where would they want to see. What's up we'll ticket. If not embarrass you gets noble cook phones would take up if not you know any donation you get will exit because the work has to happen and we are going to do this much. It would cost twenty days. Panelists will get a century. Thank you so much It's been such a pleasure talking to you well nine so for today. On addition of make sierra leone famous. We've me your host viki komo. Don't forget to subscribe to this podcast wherever you listen tata..
"sierra leone" Discussed on Make Sierra Leone Famous
"And we need across the country so our unions. We feel garbage continuing in so many more coverages county just about out and so we are going to ask him for public apology. Comments my washing the feet of eighteen. He man eighteen to signify the age of majority of this country. That needs adult. And we'll be doing this across all the different places and will be planting a tree to symbolize a new beginning. And you're beginning to show that Are most banks and Cannot continue in the form It's it lost and they'll public pledge will be administering the show that never game show each and every one of those scrimmages and we went through condone support any aspect than former Of women and golfs in this country. I think it's very important for all mental rise. It's important for sierra. Leoneans men to rise to honor women like you're attempting to do and i think it's going to be very very powerful and beautiful To go to all of these communities and to wash the feet of women Seen ninety highest level of veneration respects so fully manned in all of these different communicate. see You join you. As you're getting there to wash the feet of women in their community apologize for not protecting them fee linked to protect them and to also take a pledge to say. You know we're not going to stand by anymore. We're going to be active in safeguarding. Our girls active in six safeguarding are women and protecting acted. That's just like very. It's it's very symbolic and it's it's powerful And hopefully you know the boys who are growing up in this place you know. Grow up with this memory of this time. Make sierra leone famous. The podcast is mixed and mastered by producer. Frank vin bob mcewen with support from the creative and talented team over at the r. n. c. marketing company in freetown and now mic. We go back to make sara leone famous sustained and is just a walking around doing four this year. It's not be able to walk here for the whole length but will organize a form of walk next year to continue this fight going forward so a three hundred hundred fifteen miles. Here we come. We starting on january six and we hope to be in free tom. By the end of january of where we don't have time to complete we made the days twenty days. It may tickle short. That'd five days. What would he must on one by one until cartridge free talk you know And we say it would be which would meet that woman with this bloomberg markets we meet my way plazas or doma with its food for brick by Careful school go remember. You know safety hostile so lutely absolutely. It's so so many women in sierra leone have just stories of broken nece and these aren't stories that anybody's ever gonna hear or talk about because the other thing about being a woman in sierra leone to know that's your pain and suffering is your business and it's an internal business when i look at women in sierra leone if you're just driving by a marquette or just walking down the street for the most part you you see that are women are necessarily full of joy zamin meena postseason and the reason why it's something. That's always stark to me. Even if manel pool in general even we go public side was like who all months we space you know all mounts we phase we all monday most of the tendencies tweets. And if you do not understand Even for women were very wealthy and have rich husbands. That people think they get mad. Ceo things Near on happy because of many of them are in households where they are part of the sixty one percent of women who are victims of if it's not physical abuse its verbal abuse emotional abuse control. I mean in the survey of the d. h. s. It says that you know. Most of the men like eighty percent of those who reported being victims of violence said that eighty percent of their men. Don't allow them to like even go to their friends like there's lots of control uniform an emmy so that like you know we. We really need. Full men need to apologize. Even men really really like. I'm so sorry but sela monday dead li-literally mean for apologized to wounded picking them. Because you're right we've been failed and it's multigenerational Our grandfathers our fathers our husbands boyfriends is just like let's just really talk about it honestly to say most of them are men have not done rights by the women and girls in their own families let alone the women and girls into sightsee however it's not a loss we can. Have you know for lack of a better expression a come to jesus moments where you know with something like what you're doing with this walk with the stand. Say that like you know what i am. A man who is ready to rise to protect women and girls in sierra leone are gonna know what it's i don't know what the tools violated in the way that we men on the fans eats and experience so my walk is in solidarity with women and yeltsin option. It's a way to show that we have Cost so much. So much you know Beverage that masculinity has resorted to violence in a way that we men of lost every off. 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"That was the incomparable. I'm cologne with sione. A- married da or married. Don't get sense. I'm cologne is a celebrates folksinger from the eastern province of sierra leone. Her songs always in mendi teach life lessons through parables to keep many song and dance traditions alive. Cologne form cultural group. She trained singers dancers in traditional arts. She has been performing many folks on. Since nineteen sixty one and now mic we go back to make sierra leone famous. I'm really glad that you brought up the this idea of learning and learning Because i think a lot of times that are men say will. Meanwhile wendy do dismay as an individual but meanwhile the beats whom on one day leaping these you know all these tugboats hands of argyle's these talk about all mandates in it. It's not about me right as an individual elected then pull me no meek sudan not to me but like you said you know one of the things that happens as we're getting like socially conditioned and we're being raised is that we are learning. You're taking like we're children. Sponges exactly implant became Noxitril site you get. These unequally relationship gets violence on a household that boy peaking the possibility teach on watch Local after a while you know most people can say people identify with the abusers upset because that they get power also even to see dynamic liquid circuit disposing the this from me. family is harming the women in my life is harming mississippi steady But at the same time because beginning land quick right you learn where the power is because if you side with you my ma. You set the account. Now they can become a victim right at the beginning of boy bikinis delancey no in this dynamic being feminine being soft being nurturing being carrying all of the light positive feminine attributes that women offer us in our household. You start to think that those Beat-up let's done so then you identify with the abuser. Your father your uncle. The men who have the power and you say well. I basically have two options. Either i'm gonna be a victim. Be the power. And then you've learned this any you take in when you grow up you know if you are not intentional. About first of all acknowledging. That's the environment Book was a an environmental site. The masculinity we see been talk. Seek you know acknowledging that it was taxiing acknowledging women in your family have suffered crates. Yeah i also think is a question of choices. Growing up for instance in in them with poverty in the in the midst of poverty I remember veritably nineteen eighty to eighty four Coming from school. We had to festival for the those times way. Getting food was very difficult. So i have to leave school. Come up fiber can be being. Go style in the line or queue today for of rights five cups of rice during those Sicne basil of off our country. And i think the choice of being without violence as we've been talking being muscular without power and those kinds of things must it is equipped to vowed arse islands force must stand by false false. See that my thoughts into equated to power masculinity equipment to The way how you talk you have to talk in that. Fourth full managed to get your ideas out and those kinds of things and the choice growing up was not there. You didn't have either all for choose gokul one week. Say not so prepared. They do things and also so for follow through on each time it. Oh you you eagle. You know so many other kinds of things that this attended Aspects that we are supposed to grew up came to understand what is the role of children. What is the role of adults. In the household. Those choices did not exist at all and oscillates auto that the culture was learned. We it is about time and of course the civil contributed to all of that. But it's about time to online all of this level of masculinity produces the file names that tweet experience on the daily basis and this is on effort. That time require everybody's attention at this moment. How do you unlearn the steps. You know when it gets on butts like alcoholism will you when you're an alcoholic. They ten twelve step program rate. And the tell you that. Like felipe sobriety. If you become so by these are the tents that program to get you off know addiction duties for duties in your opinion or in your in your experience. You grew up in this environment. That was toxic Where you learned toxic masculinity what are the steps because if there's a sierra lenient man right now who's listening to this conversation and they're like you know what in the louis me like that was my household. This is my experience. But maybe they've not yet done the work right to unbundle and unlearn wit. Seen ugo able full.
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"sierra leone" Discussed on Make Sierra Leone Famous
"Is nuts when my dad would come home from what it was by redder and at least in tbilisi and i remember vividly somewhere times. Does walk up to me Try to like splinter located that of this interview in school and my dad response in several occasions whilst move move move move nike disturbing me anex iago so we ended up like my mom winning la grades on my bad my mom was but by a movable serenity nor do i mean we're laughing but just to put like you i mean the time period. You're talking about. I'm guessing is like the seventies which by all forty years ago. Yeah these alligators Bring up in freetown for. I mean just to let you know that like you know read me. Just sierra leone What is called the dhs. It's like the housing survey basically every five years. There's a demographic and health survey that's done and the most recent one for sierra leone just came out it was compiled in twenty nineteen and the d h s is done by statistics sierra leone and funded by lots of our partners and you will not be surprised but today in sierra leone about sixty one percent of women between the ages of fifteen and forty nine have experienced spousal violence In fact it's gone up by ten percents From twenty thirteen in twenty hundred thirteen. When did the survey was fifty one percent ten years later more women in sierra leone actually report that they've been victims of spousal violence and You know sometimes. We think that. I mean as we discuss these issues we talk about you know human rights in sierra leone and you know the place of women the place of man. Women's rights the rights of children. Because we talk about this a lot. I think sometimes this like in our minds. We think because we're talking about it. That things are changing for the better that the that the conversation in itself as this like intrinsic value which is a sign of change right. And it's just you know. When i saw the the i was just really really heartbroken. Actually that even though we are talking about two to lots Even though there are programs even though you know the police now has like a special family support unit across every playstation. Now there's a family unit that's supposed to deal with issues of domestic violence and domestic abuse. Of course it's very very underfunded in general but just that you know you see the posters on the streets so you think that things are changing But that something you experienced growing up almost like three. Four decades ago is still very much a big problem in sierra. We wanna protect girls who wanna protect women. We wanna hands off our girls. You wanna do all these things when we talk about them but in our households. I don't think that the conversations are happening. I think a key part of the reasons why the conversations are not being the family household is again because of how men see themselves in our society in our communities in our families and so i'm really keen on talking to men like you Because i think that meant only men can talk to. You know because if we see the reality. Monday cedeno if not for Be wandering it's like this idea that the men are adults. The women are not right. If you really want to have these conversations about changing. We want to transform our society than not only miracle. Monday and say not to from. Because i may not be keep like come up before we move. Will you know what i mean. It's very important for men to speak up and for men to take a stand because you can talk to other men because other men see you as equal in a way that they don't see someone like you're i mean because Yeah go ahead. But i mean it's also like growing up on understanding all of these dynamics you'll inherited and inheritance all laminates not inherit Your language grow And each you.
"sierra leone" Discussed on Make Sierra Leone Famous
"Crime in those states for You know forced out so it will wicked cannot you heard the highest volume splints. All what does cigna community. It was buying and dolls things. We have quickly loss in honor gigi hostages. Saddam talking to indo poco of the foundation for new democracy. And we're going to be talking about manhood and meal identity in sierra leone from the indigenous perspective meaning when sierra leoneans man like in the low thinks of himself and his identity as a man what it means to be a man from sierra leone what what what are the things that inform that Where does he draw references from and you know how did he grow up. And how has he built his male identity today to serve him in a way. That is healthy and admirable. And that's brought him on this journey where he's committed to walk from southeastern sierra leone all the way to freetown to raise awareness about the. I don't wanna say to nepotistic. But the scourge of child rape in sierra leone and the need for sierra leone ian men to take a stand against sexual violence against girls and violence against women and girls in general in the low. Thank you so much for coming to the show. How are you doing today. Undergird under dirt cast. Okay so i'll let me start conversation flimsy beginning. Which is your beginning right in monday. Kenema district correct or to us. Tell me about your earliest memories. Growing up in Kenema with the men in your family As a young boy Think about who you thought was a man of what you thought made a man Some of the things that That come to you. There was a clear defined role what a man was was in a wooded Money and then go. We must Picking them and take care of the family the household chores and everything and comeback will seats. Listen to the radio in biscuit Food and you know how to make a decision on the household needs to be run without the consultation on the whole the women for business in my own household we have these suits where The points us the purchase of land. i remember vividly at once. I might that purchasing land In my mom's name was never all the documents was basically if mundane that i don't buy and islamabad by in for so you have the kinds of things but also in some sort of who goes to the schools to represent the chamber to find belts about how good when we're doing. It wasn't the meal it was in my green off infra time going to center for primary school it towards him my dad. It was my mother who will go to the schools. If i was not doing well in school it was my mom. So the male the man. The madness in the family stopped at Given instructions stopped at the soap stopped at just taking things for granted and assuming that it was mainly the women who had to do a lot of immigrants and those are the kinds of experiences in the rule of aereas my uncles and other folks in the raleigh rare in manama fulton says it was my grandpa and my uncles who would basically top the palm oil. Which damn. I will put on my head to go on sale to pay my fees and a lot of things that basically defied this limitation of mir enforcement itchy dress. Life was very big experience of mine. I mean i don't know if this is something that you can reflect are now but do you remember any instances like how that made you feel as a boy Was this something. That you developed. Resentment around was it something that you accepted. Just these very clear defined lines of you know what your father would do. Which are uncles will do versus what mom and the women would do. How did that Sit with you. as a boy knowing that okay by the school to you're the postulated of me illegal spoon for me on a day-to-day basis dot. Kasey nami my mouth or the woman them and how do you feel. I guess coming home and seeing that being in a house where the men are served and the women are doing the labor you know. What does that do to the psyche of young sierra leone boy sorority boy singing in observing not only men being sobbed all decisions being made without a women. But there's also the physical violence that was involved in metal al-faw my dad sing an eating binder doll closing the door. Shortly i could hear up to nal. Echoes of my mom. Cry wailing and gwen long distances. And heating me very very hard and when i think about those it's really Defines a it was only those kinds of things that separately upto to say okay. This is nothing. I'm not gonna do anything else. But bouts i'm going to be able to understand any critical thinking but other bcis Women this is all. I need to do this and it was a very young timber beach around nine years of age when i would miss my dad. He didn't my mom A growing up understanding that knowing that this virus A followed saves the member to be a woman in my life and since then Aim a my marital of years. I have been the kind of father that supports a bb. A for my but on a census won't.
"sierra leone" Discussed on Make Sierra Leone Famous
"Sierra leone we are. We practice culture of immoral begging which he explained as even when we know people have done something wrong. So you would know that someone has done something wrong they will go and call you to come and beg for them. You will come and beg for them prostrate yourself on the floor knowing full well. This person has done something wrong right and now you expect that person right to give in because you're frustrated you begged right and but you know that the person is guilty you know that what they did is wrong rate. And that's how i really feel about sierra leoneans. In general that this is so deeply ingrained embedded in our culture that it stopped stops us from speaking the truth it stops us from holding our leaders accountable. Because we just can't be honest about things that are just wrong on this. The people that the ferry memory reparations lease had memory representations ending this listed in our lives forever. it'd be when it comes to believe in. God you up cards of moore's by aspirants of of conflict unless we go back from detroit the fact we will not be able to move forward as a country we just can't achieve what we want to achieve as a democratic society where the foundation of lives suffering victimisation. Because we won't be knighted. People and that means we embrace the idea of continuing the work of reconciliation that diaz stats which is wet ruin. That is doing ruined. The had akaka coats and sentenced a few people criminally and they decided that was not enough. We had to make this of is distance now oracle as children have to learn about lou as you were speaking when you said earlier that the see should we should be When you said earlier that the people should read the summarized versus years ago. Of course i read the full version on the summarized version and I wondered when you said that whether or not this was like curriculum in school like when they're teaching history today the reason that respect the giving the secondary school versus that will recommend that to be introduced in schools across the country. Let's wait don't know money not info before now up. Can you please tell me a little bit about how you were able to get funding for the work. You're doing now who supports it so again. Speaking of donors donors so. I like we discussed to begin him. I have always been doing work as a citizen last year again on january. Eighteen we celebrates is national reconciliation bay. And i got a call a said who's doing this and i said well. This is something i'm doing on that. What branch of government. That said you by renzo Misty and to me that they they give up funding for a project like these. And who was this. That contacted the african transition justice legacy fund wishing union must meet i know made. Was he with amnesty at some. Point wasn't amnesty. Yeah he's a good guy of goes knowing what we do and this was very tricky. Because often i say i don't want to change what i'm doing just to to to get money. Yeah a lot of projects. Don't want to fund anything that has to do with construction. Of course. I told clearly what i want to do is mac. Muslims and that works construction if he can fund liz. It's good with me. It not out continue to seek funding and of course they were willing inflexible. And they decided to to funds to at least identify and mike tindall those mass graves grievously in a year and that is what. Hey at awesome. Thank you so much for sharing the story with me well nine dollars so footsie. Cdmaone addition of make sierra leone famous. We've me your host viki remo. Don't forget to subscribe to this podcast wherever you listen totta..
Seattle nurse to serve on Biden-Harris COVID-19 advisory board
"Been selected to join President elect Biden's covert 19 advisory board. Jane Hopkins is a nurse who specializes in mental health. She's worked as a nurse for more than 20 years, most recently at Harborview and Stick Wami Hospital. She currently serves as the executive VP with S E I U healthcare and serves on our state's covert Tests Force and Safe Start Advisory board. Hopkins was more in Sierra Leone and immigrated to the U. S in 2000.
Powerhouse Marketer Ana Valdz on Using Media to Create Change
"Ana you were ten years old growing up in mexico city the first time you witnessed the power of marketing. Take me back to that. yes. I would remember perfect. He i was driving with my mom and we knew that there was a huge problem in with water and we traditionally unfortunately at that time didn't have a lot of good experiences with efforts from the government and suddenly a hero the radio vis campaign that was called sierra and sierra leone's in english means i actually doesn't have a real great station but it means turn it on right and it meant that people when they are you know watering when they are brushing their teeth. Or whatever. just turn it off. you don't need to keep it open all the time in that. Remember thinking this ad just changed the way. I do everything. I cannot even imagine what it's doing for the rest of the country and extremely that happened. Two years later we were out of the prices and through the power of media have changed the way mexico was meant to suffer and avoided that huge drought at the some of the consequences of the drought. So i said you know what for me visit. I'm using media to create change. Whatever happens in my life. That's what i'm gonna do. When did you actually realized that marketing could be a career. So in mexico marketing as a career didn't exist and i actually begged my dad to let me go to this specific school but them on the ray because it was the only place where i could find marketing as a career and i did go and i loved it and i was lucky enough to get amazing professors. The people that were developing marketing at that point in mexico where my my professors and they gave me internships. I worked for them every summer. And that's how he ended up being a fanatic. Your first job. You worked for nielsen. Global marketing research firm for four years in mexico and you were one of the first women that they had hired. How did being among the first show up in your experience there. I come from a family of men that love strong women so i always loved being a strong women. Even though i had to pay prices you know being a strong woman. But i loved it and so when i asked for this job i remember thinking it doesn't matter who was before me or who they want. I'm going to show them. How much good for them in the process was very very rigorous and you had to interview with each one of the managing directors of the partners. And you had to interview with Every one of the heads of the teams. And i remember thinking every time using my marketing skills right. Who's my audience. What did they want what we need to get them. And i remember at the end of the process. When i was lucky. Enough to get in one of the people interviewing me told me for me. There was no difference that you were a woman. And that's exactly what i wanted to here.
Interview With Yasmin Of Yasmin Tells
"Thanks so much for joining us today. Can you please tell us your name where you're from your location currently and the name of your business a k. Say hi my name in. csm. Don't sam i am from the uk. I'm sierra and my current location. Freetown sierra leone and the name of my business or businesses is yes men tells. I'll go into the other ones we into the conversation. So tell us about where you got your for travel. So i think it's because a young age excess traveling. Luckily that was introduced to us by my mother. My first Was to texas to see family melba. I remember i was young but my fetch trip to sierra fan. I was a is old. And then i came consecutively from the age of a safe full team. Yeah age of fourteen to twenty around. That spina came every year and my love for i think came. When i didn't intend ship in dakar senegal. I was just blown away by not only the way of living the and the rich list of the country but i was just getting a lot inspiration volt while i have options as other things in places i can go to your grandma's actually from the gambia right next door. As she is like our most gambian. I went to visit her in two thousand eighteen but she spent a life aaron in return saturday. So are your parents then. Both from sierra leone or where. You're also born yeah. Sierra in is my country of origin surf my parents from sierra. Dan how they met in the uk. Yeah i decided to come back in two thousand eighteen i. It's funny how they come back. Because i'm not born him at school. I was never never originally it. But here's here's the place that feels like home to me so let's karbi y subconsciously. Say back when it's not bad. I just relocated to just. Is that like a. I dunno part of your reckoning your identity because you come from people who are from there and you were raised somewhere else so culturally. How do you identify how identified successful supplements the oscar. Why you from. I would say sierra in those the same when i was in the uk working from upstate. Sierra i wouldn't necessarily say the a just because i think they're insinuates in july. Make that a. We'd like worry really from you. Know the expression when people ask you like. Oh where he really from semester say sierra in a without a doubt i identify more with being sierra than i do in british. If you think about it is wall. I've been introduced to fuss regardless of location. Where i'm situated bus was my household that was the culture of these amounts of languages. Hearing prio so yeah i definitely identified strong with being a sierra again. What has been like being back so it's been like two years now. Craig via the suspension will make it to years. It's been interesting. It's been a challenge but Unexpected challenge expects be easy. It's been either regret by me. I think it was timely. And a good thing. I did i also have a family business. Air could my mother's kitchen so my mom stopped about business any ten years ago. Two thousand eleven so we provide authentic. Saturday and snacks kills all sourced from syria. And the ingredients used. So we'd have things like chin-chin which is like a dirty not fully biscuits Thins pancake must sesame seeds snaps. Grandma's cake bus peanut butter birtles would make lows of snacks. That's my mom's business. She's made loses slacks and be some onto. Supermarket stood bands. The i'm really proud of how far she's taken the business so it was. It was good moving known that had that cushion. 'cause i didn't move thing can occur. I am going to go work for somebody. I knew i had a family business where i could implement. Myron skills are Earning
"sierra leone" Discussed on Make Sierra Leone Famous
"And now my father was a kind of he'd grown up Muslim name like the Army but he was although he could review the Quran. He was not practicing, you know, sometimes you have a conversation with a parent and it stays with you. I mean, I had never seen my father upset almost to the point of Tears until one day he came home and it was because he'd had an argument with other cabinet members because when they were in opposition on, guy had taken over from Milton and as we said, you know the kind of politics and the move and told of politics change there were always arresting people on on any nonsensical pretext they'd have to bail them out they have to go and then the case would be thrown out but it was depleting their funds and that was the Of course, so she had the bright idea say no. Now that we have power. And my father was a lawyer and he found this anathema. He said well, I don't know. This is what we campaigned against. I mean, can you believe that in the 1967 campaign? One of the songs that we were all singing was one party. We know one, you know, and because I had already made it claimed that I wanna get off and he would be system. Yeah, and he's so big he gave us legitimacy, right? Because it was a key concept. He said oh, so we stopped off and people can actually find the documents at the National Archives into in England. You can actually find documents that were filed to introduce it which which them to fail because they did not a large enough majority, you know before that election, but you know, so you you had this sense, you know, it's sort of going into the sort of seventies that birth Things were about to change as I said, you know, my father came home very upset that it had this argument over although just arrested and locked out for and we you know how long they haven't done anything, you know saying when I put him into you know, so he was very vindictive, you know that he wanted to really kind of, you know, get back at them in any way he could and so that was kind of seventies and so my father died in 1972 September 1972 and and I've said this, you know much as I loved him..
"sierra leone" Discussed on Make Sierra Leone Famous
"How red Freetown was every possible Avenue outside of Freetown people who have not over Lori's to block so that they would not take a Cat Stevens and the APC these new cabinet somewhere and kill them and get out of free time. The Soldiers Home stage the coup for themselves now trapped in Freedom. They could not get out of wow, even if they oh my God, that's crazy. And what was remarkable about it was completely spontaneous cuz think about it. This is the day before mobile phone. So who told me going to do this, he just happened, you know, and people went around telling people, you know, duties do that big burnt cars and use them as well. Okay, you know And of course you can actually those people were were themselves, you know overthrown and eventually, you know soldiers sent for Andrew Jackson Choy Smith II was actually on on a training course in England to come and Lead. Well, I think it was the Armed Forces or more physical job, but there was like that transition like kind of transition. Yeah. Yeah, and you know, dr. Smith came in with his own idea and so on but but really the coup. It had an and I've always said this when I was spoken to people. I've said that the person who it impacted the most was probably Chaka Stevens because he swore that we would never let that happen to him again, you know as yours as speaking with regards to like how the redness of the city right. I was just thinking I'm like, so this is how it happened because as his people come out to continuously defend you right and put themselves on the line against the Army for you when you come to power off or you can do whatever the hell you want. You can do anything you can do anything and then it's like you start to understand the excesses and the dead overly everything nest of you know, Siri another shock of Stevens, right? Cuz that's how you start. It's like Yeah, no, it's absolutely power up to the power. And and you know, what was interesting is that this is the thing that my father used to tell us and I can say this and Thursday available when which is remarkable when you consider that when he was a lawyer he had one of the most successful legal practices in the country and when he became a government Minister, I didn't steal. So what was remarkable was that he wanted to teach us certain lessons. And so even at the age of twelve we actually went out on the Electoral campaign within you know within the past several think and and our parents would always Include us in conversations with used to shock other adults when they would come, you know, and they wanted to talk politics and my dad used to make my mother they used to make us feel proud. They would say to these people when I know where to begin to that the intelligence and we talked to the you said he's like, oh Sela, you know, and so that made us proud because we were informed from the youngest age that I am a member..
"sierra leone" Discussed on Make Sierra Leone Famous
"And so he stood in Newton which is a fishing Village and and actually defeated the minister who was assisting m p r g o King and and so the reason I will never forget the call is because like everybody else. I mean, I'm sure you know that Slpp has never won free time. Yeah, and so free time was always a PC and and so on the day we all went out with who Donald get red. Daddy. The manage Fender is somehow when I say paint the town red. This was like metaphorically and and figuratively and actually everywhere. All you could see was a sea of red two people wearing red. And so we went to the State House on the day assuming that Chaka Stevens and his Minister and his new cabinet would be sworn in by Sir Henry Lightfoot Boston the governor general As the new uh new government because it would also have been the first time in sub-Saharan Africa that an opposition party had unseated a ninja government has never happened anywhere in in the kind of post-colonial era at that time. And so it was another first for Sierra Leone and you know, that's how it was reported around them. Well, we got there, you know the suite from state house right down to cottontree they talk not done yet. But make we take small music break with the musical sounds of Sierra Leone. Thursday and Thursday and we watch it off. Off off off off off. off off that's was Kabab Brothers with dewald or less now. We on the brothers camera and M foji released over six albums before they each went solo America by had a successful record career before passing away in two thousand and three and now make me go back to make sure I am famous Avenue. Actually, they change the name later and we found out there and of course my my those are our next door neighbor four or five dollars a way across does Bailey. He was my very good friend and we were the same age..
Two Youngstown State University students from Sierra Leone killed in car crash
"Youngstown State University are dead after their car wrecked on I 76 in Portage County last night. The Ohio State Highway Patrol says the driver Muktar Kamara, and one of his passengers were killed. The two other passengers were not seriously injured, all of them from Sierra Leone Grove City Man is
Interview with Winstina Hughes, Planner for the Maryland Dept of Transportation
"Welcome to Hallway Chat I'm Liam Dempsey. And I'm Tara Claes today we're joined by Weinstein Hughes when Stena is an assistant regional planner for the Maryland Department of transportation she created her first wordpress blog for a geographic information systems assignment and followed it soon after with one on community development and suburban planning. She has presented at Work Camp New York City work camp. US and Work Camp Austin. A wordpress meet up co organizer Weinstein a lead were camp new. York two, thousand eighteen. Welcome when Stena? We're so glad here. Thanks for having me. Tara. Thanks for having me. Lamb. I'm excited to join you wearing. So excited to defensive time with you. Can you tell us a little bit more about yourself? Okay. I can tell you. I'm a bit more about myself i. Grew up in northern Jersey in south orange. Maplewood. My family immigrated. From Sierra Leone West Africa And somehow they brought me back to Maryland. Settled initially I'm so I am living and working in, Baltimore? Fantastic there's there's a lot there about that. We could delve into but let me let me just talk a little bit about growing up there since he started with whole were you when you when you move from Sarah alone do you remember your your country of or you're young enough to not have any memory? I have. I have memories of playing in our backyard. Like the lush greenery of it. The red. The red dirt. Just. just kind of outside where we lived I remember just how bad it was. And I remember listening on to my dad calling. To see how I was just a memory of knowing that my parents weren't with me. And just really happy to hear his voice. And? When we moved here. This is. Really. where I grew out. Those are those those memories are of. I'm like a child and when we moved here, that's when things really start forming. That's when I'm you know I started thinking about just you know school like a as a kid. I. Think. We. You know when you're as young as four or five things are just kind of like impressions I'm but then we hit an age where we start understanding what's around us Andy Start. Having. A sense of the places where we're going and the people that were spending time with and when we immigrated here on that was the time where things really started in. No. Forming for me as a child and and. Being aware of the spaces I was in and you know. I grew up here in every part of who I am is really. The experience of being raised here in the states and Being raised in south. Orange Maplewood. have. You been back to Sierra Leone. I haven't been back. I'm one of those children but. That hasn't traveled back. Since I? I can't name. Do you have family there still though I do I do have aunts and uncles and I have cousins. That are from back home. And I have some cousins that have traveled here and they've gone back I'm. But I've I've lived here since since we came in, it's been continuous experience. Yeah. Thank you for sharing that your your story of coming to this country and growing up here. Tell us a little bit. Your experience Sir I think you talked about before we started recording about. Going to school to Grad, school and Can you tell us a little bit about your education background and your wordpress wordpress fits into that picture? Yes So you know you mentioned that I'm an assistant. Planner and I went to college for city planning. And I went to Grad school as well for for city planning sitting regional planning. And you know it's it's really a way of looking at the world. A WAY OF LOOKING And Identifying Spaces right areas that you can contribute to improve, and that's what I really love about. About what I studied and I really enjoy the work that I do currently. I, work for DOD and. Works specifically. With state highway and we see the tangible results of the projects that we work on. You know like when we go to meetings I'm and you know the individuals that we speak with. It's There's a real mess to it as opposed to. If I were in an office. kind of like. We spend a fair amount of time in the office, but it's not like a policy document I'm writing. You know it's like I can go and see where I work is I can listen. To understand what the needs are of of those who live in the communities. that. We that we go to and that's really what's always been exciting for me as a planner I did some community organizing work as well and? Not only that. I worked at a nonprofit in DC as an intern, and I had a chance to look at a Housing Trust Fund I had the chance to look at how they went about organizing around housing issues and an even organizing around immigration issues and and it's it's so exciting to work in a field that that hutchison all those different areas and it's died it's that fluid ness of of of the field working an infrastructure or working with community issues or working on. Economic Development. That led me to. Writing about. you know what I learned in school and then writing about it is really you know what really got me more involved within the word s community I that jess log but I'm that I wrote in college, and then when I graduated I started writing a blog on development. For Me Boyd and just in the process of all the positive experiences move me from just you know blogging on wordpress dot com to building my own sites. And then there's there's so much evolved from that as well. From writing to becoming a a meet up organizer in a work, Camp Speaker, and. You know just just all those those opportunities came from. From just you know blogging sharing my thoughts about. An area that I'm so passionate about that I'm so fortunate to work in.
"sierra leone" Discussed on Make Sierra Leone Famous
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Learning How to Forgive
"I don't subscribe to the idea people a- bad and I I don't subscribe to that because I believe that these inherent good in everyone. I think that crime It's all to be honest with you. Very relative What might be criminal in. Some communities are excused in other communities. Delia Muna was born in London and raised in Nigeria. Her mother is Nigerian and her father is from Sierra Leone. She went to college and Law School in the United States and then she became a public defender in Washington. Dc main motivation for me is that throughout my time as a public defender. I and as a Christian I operate from the presume that if Jesus swear on earth today he'd be a public defender. He was always defending people who were accused of various Nefarious activities Tax Collectors and you know Prostitutes and and and people that we will consider unsavory but as a public defender. I got to learn and appreciate that. Each person has a story and that my role as an advocate was to tell that story in a way that will shoot to the lead experiences to give voice to them I learned to appreciate the fact that but for the grace of God Right. and fat Human beings have the capacity for change today. We're talking about forgiveness. I'm phoebe judge. This is criminal I'd like to ask you about where you grew up in Nigeria and and how growing up. You saw forgiveness injustice Criminality in differently than than we do here right. So we're very very communal society and so compared to to the US where It seems that we exist in silos and a very much individual pull yourself up by your bootstraps sort of mentality in Nigeria we. It's sort of those mentality that if one person is going astray we all collectively are going astray. And so the idea is You know we rally people will rally around you to make sure that That you don't go astray and that if you do that there are resources particularly human resources to help you Sorta recalibrate Your life trajectory And that's really critically important. I guess it's kind of a flip the whole idea in on the head which is in other communities when someone does something bad it it looks bad upon the community. Exactly as opposed to here. Where if someone does something bad when this person must be intrinsically bad or evil and let's remove them from the society? Oh yes absolutely. You absolutely correct here. It's you did something you something that you did and in other communities. It's like well what? How did we fail? How could we have prevented this? And now that you have indeed some done something. What can we do to restore your humanity? What can we do to make sure that you become one of us The question becomes. When is enough enough? When is punishment enough? When can we say you have paid your dues? It's time to welcome you back into society because we still think you've got value. We still think there's much more that you can add to being a productive member of our community in two thousand eleven a twenty five year old woman Nimble Shonda Armstrong drove her car. Into New York's Hudson River with her three children inside later. Leshan to Armstrong's neighbors came forward and said they knew she was in trouble. The often heard yelling. Her landlord leader said that she asked him twice in six months to change the locks on her doors. Delia Luna wrote about Louis Armstrong and other women who'd committed similar crimes she asks how is it that American society bears no social responsibility to support. Its most vulnerable members. In raising their children she proposes that we watch out for each other not just watch each other but really look out and offer help as she says communities in Nigeria. Often do she writes. It's imperative that the legal system take steps to foster a sense of communal obligation towards the most vulnerable members of our society single mothers and their children in two thousand fifteen delia. Muna was made clinical professor of law at Harvard. The law school's first Nigerian professor. She's also the deputy director of Harvard's Criminal Justice Institute where Third Year Law Students under supervision. Essentially work is public defenders. We asked her to tell us about the cases that stay with her the most and she says it's the ones where children are charged with crimes. She told us about representing a nine year old girl and she was charged with assault with a dangerous weapon and she was charged because while Throwing ten from classroom. She picked up a book a textbook and threw it at a teacher. Miss the teacher. The book hit the wall The child was promptly taken to a The principal's office and when she got there she was then arrested put in handcuffs. She was transported at the back of a police car and brought to the courthouse. She had to be placed in isolation so in solitary because she was nine years old and I went into speak with her so she is tiny little person and I was trying to explain to her. What my role was as her attorney and advocate and she had no idea Just even process in what that meant and she looked at me and she said where's my grandmother. And when can she take me back to school and then she said to me? Do you have any food? I'm hungry and so there. I was trying to figure out how to advocate for this child. In light of the very serious thing that she'd been charged with I mean assault with a dangerous weapon. book But clearly this child at other issues that we're contributing to Her behavior in class that day and he really will have been a very cruel and capricious thing for the legal system to continue. Its prosecution of her. It's easy to forgive a child and to consider all the social factors in play in their behavior. It's not always so easy to forgive adult. Well that's correct I it's easy when you paint a picture of a very vulnerable child but what about those evil adults and evil men and women who do such terrible things well. The truth is A An an an evil adult or terrible adult just didn't You know pop from just didn't become that way. They've had most likely a terrible childhood A childhood where they will likely abused likely neglected. And so you have children who wants. That's happened to them will indeed grow up to be adults who then Commit crimes I don't ever believe that an adult just takes actions without something being the catalyst for whatever it is. They that they've done and so it might be easier to forgive a child but if you delve deeper into the experiences the lived experience of an adult I think it makes it easier to forgive them once. You understand what it is that they've been through The prism through which they view life and sort of. What's happened to them?
Disease patterns and planetary health
"Sars and Moore's Ebola in now corona link with animals what we call zoonosis. It's more complicated than animals simply spreading viruses and pathogens to humans. This bread is often less direct and can involve intermediate hosts and behaviors. But as I've talked this week with disease ecology experts they have increasingly blamed humans for our destruction of biodiversity this then creates ripe conditions for pathogens to come into contact with humans building roads deforestation mining logging farming with heavy water use population growth exotic vacations and heavy hunting have all played a role in these emerging epidemics around the world. Densely packed populations increasingly live in close proximity to bats and rats and birds and pets. This creates new opportunities for interactions for things to move from one species to another so does our tendency to capture exotic animals and put them in cages and ship them around the world to be used as pets or sold in wet markets and eventually be consumed as food all these activities disperse viruses that have existed for eons in one species often in one location and then spread them globally. Dr Brian Bird is a leading veterinarian. Epidemiologist and the associate director of UC Davis is one health institute he has worked on the front lines of the Ebola epidemic in Sierra Leone and other epidemics around the world. He has thought a great deal about these emerging epidemics at it quite clear that land use change and changing the environment chopping forest to plant crops. Things things of that nature are one of the leading risk factors for spillover buyers spillover of viruses from one species to another is increasingly common the CDC estimates that three quarters of new or emerging diseases that infect humans originating animals. It's not just exotic diseases like Corona Ebola and h one n one look at how we've destroyed forests to build American suburbs. This development disrupts the ecosystems enforces deer and rats and other animals to live in more densely packed areas or to venture outside of their normal habitat. This means that insects like ticks can more easily passed between animals. And then the ticks spread the bacteria borelli A- Bergdorf Ri- and there is a huge increase in line disease. Dr Bird reminds us that these changes have been going on since the industrial revolution. But he says that. Our interactions with that risk must change. We have to start to recognize that what we're doing as humanity in these wild areas is detrimental or taking the system out of balance into viruses. That all the other wildlife live in that ECO system and a sense of balance. It is this balance that has been ignored over the longer term solutions will start with awareness and hopefully that will lead to reason to action and more careful
Acclaimed 'Beasts of No Nation' Author, Uzodinma Iweala, on Science, Power, and Race
"Living on the time of the Cova epidemic or corona virus. I just read something that made me laugh because someone said something like the Covet Nineteen virus which came out of China's an intelligent. It's not like he bowl which is rather dumb virus now. Obviously bullet comes out of the continent of Africa just like just think about that framework and that construct and what has been printed in a major magazine virus from Africa dumb virus virus from China. Smart virus you know. I say this about the corona virus like virus had emerged in the Netherlands. Just think about the way it would have been reported from the outset. Think about what would have happened. If it had merged in on the continent of Africa and the American President Donald Trump has been gratuitously coaling sods cove to the virus behind the current covet non epidemic the Chinese virus. Let's be clear your respective of what species and what place a virus might have been forced to take the dean pandemics. Have NO ETHNICITY. Science tells us that medical history tells us that but as we're about to explore xenophobic conclusions drawn from scientific observations can have an enormous impact on the course of history and on people's lives while is a novelist. He's a doctor a filmmaker and a whole lot more in his early twenty while still in college studying literature. He wrote the critically acclaimed novel baseds of Nine Nation which tells the extraordinary story of a child soldier. A little boy recruited given again and sent to wage a war in two thousand fifteen. That book was turned into a film. Don't like really look into my eyes since my nose picking is because I can't be explaining myself and leaving a damn not like be I am leg. Oldman try to talk to me about movies variances. I saw this an idea there would is. It would seem that some sort of this on Devon all this. I also having us I was really lucky to have the opportunity to write that novel diving. Into the stories of child. Soldiers around the world but mostly specifically in countries like Sierra Leone and Liberia which had just kind of come out of their own internal conflicts at the time and then of course going back and talking with relatives. My parents my grandparents aunts and uncles great aunts and uncles about their time during the Nigerian civil war from nineteen sixty six really sixty seven three thousand nine hundred seventy and trying to understand not just what it's like to experience that kind of turmoil from the perspective of a child but also what. It's like to have everything that you thought. You knew that you understood blown open tournament and and unfortunately that's an all too common and all to universal subject after painting beasts of no nation Dima went on to train as a doctor right more books including speak no evil and Al kind of people. He worked for a time as well in health policy in Africa and today he's of the Africa Center in New York City. A storm speak at last year's will conference of Science. Journalists Center. Really wanted you to have the opportunity to he him too. So he joins us from the radio art studios in the heart of New York. You had such an interesting childhood. Born in Washington to Nigerian parents mother a former finance minister of Nigeria. And growing up. I get the sense that you very much spent time on on both continents and I'm curious to know. Have that shaped your sense of self as a as a boy and a young adult. My parents took it upon themselves to make sure that we could always get back to Nigeria. That this was to be so much a part of who we were growing up and it really did actually provide us with a really interesting way of seeing the world. You're not from one place near not from another place. You're from both places. It's kind of a glorious thing to be able to grow up knowing that there are multiple perspectives on everything in the world. What someone sees for example in the village that my grandparents grew up in is necessarily going to be from what somebody sees in suburban Washington? Dc things might be a little bit more difficult in Nigeria. But at the same time everybody is still living. I think that's something that a lot of people who only grow up saying in industrialized if we WANNA use that term or you know United States type or western context don't have and therefore very afraid of the wider world beyond. We just grew up not being afraid because of exposure and I think that's so important. Oh that's such a potent comment about FIA holding back so much dialogue and possibility in the world. Why a medical degree trying to be a doctor? Why did you save that time in your life as a part of any decision? I think there are multiple reasons for why you do something and not all of them are the most. I will freely admit that I did medicine because my dad's a doctor and you can kind of see okay. This is what a doctor does. You see the stethoscope. You see the medicines. It's already very concrete. You know in the little kids mind and as as the kid of African immigrants. There's this thing where you do. The practical like you become a doctor. You become a lawyer and then you think that the way that you have impact is through those practical professions. I think of course. There's this idea that doctors save people and that you can have a profound impact on on a person's life and so you know with all of that. It seemed like a natural choice. I think it became clear to me that one of the things that was missing was for me in full form. Was that creative output that flow and that ability to render the world as I saw an as sort of my talent allowed me to and I think one person can have an impact in multiple ways. Interestingly in many ways you work and your books have connected with how history in politics and in Dade Science and medicine in Western societies read and interpret and Judge View African bodies. If we think of the base of nomination also your your book. Our kind of people sharing stories from people living with HIV is in in Nigeria. That lenses interested you. It strikes me in house and I. I think you can't grow up in a black body and you can't occupy the space as an African person. Occupies space in this world is offering person or as a black person without thinking about the gains that is upon you because in in many ways that gains does and has adversely affected the lives that we all live both again in a very individual way and also on the macro level and so understanding. How black bodies move through space are interpreted? I think is something that's really important to me. And I say that not just from the Games of the other but also from the the way that we look at ourselves and this is where you presented last year at the World Conference of Science Journalists in Europe and gave extraordinary address on racism at the heart of modern science and medicine. What did you want that audience of journalists and scientists and? I was one of them in that room to think about to interrogate. I think oftentimes we just assume that the structures we operate within our for one solid and somehow especially when it comes to signs that they're they're vetted and true and one of the things that became increasingly clear to me. As I wrote the book I wrote on HIV AIDS was just how much quote unquote scientific. Ideas were grounded in people's biases and prejudices about black bodies and how that impacted the quote unquote science or signs. At least that initially was dedicated to trying to stop the epidemic and in some cases may have done more harm than good. Initially I think back to a lot of the articles that when I was writing my book I read about HIV AIDS academic articles about sort of the linking of the spread of HIV AIDS and promiscuity. And the idea that Africans were having sex like monkeys where promiscuous like monkeys like which came up in published scientific papers and then is it makes its way into the journalistic mainstream this idea of like African promiscuity as it relates to the spread of this disease you know things about like Africanness and and being unable to quote unquote keep the time why early. Hiv treatments which required like large. Regimens of pills like wouldn't work for people. And that was you know story that made it into major publications impacted policy that impacted the way the epidemic was dealt with you know these are things that are important and people need to be responsible for the way these stories are told and need to think about the frameworks in which the stories are
Euro 2020 Championship postponed to 2021 over coronavirus crisis
"Yesterday European football's governing body UEFA did indeed as widely trial decide to postpone your I. twenty twenty two euro twenty twenty one and the confederation of African football is put back next month's African nations championship for locally based players at the request of the organizes Cameroon elsewhere Sierra Leone is called a whole pool sporting activities with immediate effect I don't actually have a case of coronavirus registered in the country just
Coronavirus Is Here. Will Quarantines Help?
"The new corona virus is on the move from China to Europe here in Italy at this point the country has been divided into three different areas. There is the red zone the yellow zone and then the rest of Italy and the United States Washington state remains the center of attention as Karuna. Virus SPREADS QUICKLY RESEARCHERS. Say The virus may have been circulated in the area for weeks. Undetected and more cases are likely in New York. Experts warn the virus will spread their cases. Keep popping up and when they do. Some governments are responding with one of the most powerful tools they have quarantines doctor. He'd Padillia knows a thing or two about quarantine. You are a person not only under investigation for potentially developing a disease. But you are a person who's trustworthiness is. Now come into question you know. Will you follow the rules? And You keep them safe from you. She's an infectious disease. Specialist was quarantine twice after returning home from Sierra Leone during the Ebola outbreak there in two thousand fourteen sudden. Change that you see in people's faces it's like you are a human but all of a sudden you become a threat to them today in the show. We'll talk about what? Corentin actually gives why this virus is so good at reading it and what steps the United States might have to take to contain the novel Corona Virus. Dr Padillia is the medical director of Special Pathogens Unit at Boston University. And so she's been paying close attention to this latest outbreak of the novel. Corona virus and the efforts to stop it. I it's important to understand why this virus is hard to contain a lot of the symptoms. It causes are the same as what people experience when they get the cold or the flu on top of that. There's some evidence that people can transmit the virus before they have symptoms and perhaps even after they feel better and even if that doesn't happen often. It's still a problem when you're trying to track an outbreak. Because if you don't have symptoms you're not gonNA come to care and if not gonNA COME TO CARE. We won't know that you're sick and hence be able to do contact tracing which is basically looking for anybody else you may have been in contact with. We didn't really have a test for this virus until February and initially in the states. We were only testing people who had traveled to places with outbreaks or people who had been in contact with somebody who had the disease now. Public Health officials have expanded. Who can be tested? Which is why all these new cases are making the news. Yes I think that's playing a major role in the identification of some of the cases and I also think that's going to lead to new cases being diagnosed during this week in the United States though just to be clear Dr W. says that doesn't necessarily mean there's a big spike in the number of people who are sick. We're probably just identifying more people because we're testing more people. In when these cases appear local governments are taking action in King County Washington. The government is buying an entire motel to use for quarantines. But what is quarantine so quarantining Is the is the practice by which we separate those that we think may have had exposure to a disease of interest from the rest of the community and the reason to do that is because if they develop symptoms We want them to be separate at that point from other. So they don't transmit that disease to others. Gotcha Gotcha so individual quarantine obviously is a very different thing than mass quarantine which is trying to quarantine huge groups of people Tell me a little bit about that. There are temporizing measure rate. I mean if you have bleeding in your leg you can cut off your circulation to stop leading but that's just a temporizing measure Until you can figure out how to fix what's going on and it's the same thing with Corentin I think it works early on If you can sort of separate people in in a smaller outbreak becomes much more difficult as the outbreak of the epidemic becomes bigger. Because now you're talking about a bigger group of people. Can you talk to me about some of the costs of quarantine? Because you know. They're not all economic right. There are psychological and social tolls on a person were a community. Yeah I I'm glad you brought that up. But I mean I think even before I start with the sociological aspects in the psychological aspects. I mean let's just talk about the logistic aspects of it. The cost is a big thing because you now have a huge number of people. It's not just the direct cost of putting somebody in quarantine but you are taking them. If they are a working adult you are taking them out of the workforce. And if you do that for massive number of people you are basically halting entire economic sectors But then there is the logistics cost on the aspect of it. Which is if you quarantine people. There needs to be a plan to basically feed them. You know engineered to get medications that they need if they get sick. So there's that element and then then. There is the sociological and psychological aspects. In the stigma. 'cause what you're being told that you are potentially a threat to society and so there's the figuring out the logistics of how do you have you sort of survive you know within? Cro- close quarters alone for long periods of time and the second is the loneliness of it you know I remember for being. Thank you know I for both of my sense of quarantine. I was desperate for company NUMB. And so of course we recognize the importance of separating folks who may be at high risk of potentially developing disease. You know you have to take into account. What else is going on in their life. And what kind of support. They need psychological support that they need as they go through with it. What are some of the steps that we might see the? Us government take before or instead of quarantine so asides from having more information out there. I think some of the steps that you might see public health Officials do is cancelling delaying large events. Such as sports games or or concerts or conferences In areas where there is sustained number of cases The other steps that public health officials may take is is really encouraging if they have symptoms of their if they're worried about it to contact their healthcare providers or if they're in a state that has a dedicated hotline to really sort of go through whether or not they should come to care. Actually stay at home. You're healthy person has symptoms. I think the best strategies for you to stay at home until you get better rather than go to work or go to the hospital so I've also heard people talking about school closings which I think could be really tough especially on parents who may be can't take time off to stay home with their kids right. Yeah I think that for every step that we take the public health realm There's going to be consideration of how we can. We are going to mitigate the impact of those steps on people and that's what helps us ensure that there is adherence to recommendations right. An so school closings are are an excellent example. Because you're not only asking that student to stay home but you're asking that parents to stay home from work may or may not have the job security to be able to do that so thinking through how you support parents who are going through that in a district where we've closed. The school is GonNa Be Important. Right Right Okay. So as a person who works in infectious disease who works in hospitals has experienced quarantine themselves. Do you think the United States is prepared to quarantine large groups of people? I think we need a little bit of work on that. Whol actually has a wonderful guy that they released poor countries as they're thinking about mass quarantines and one of the things that I talk about this importance of community engagement and outreach to really explain to a wide as being done and the importance of it if it is being pursued and so if we are going to do it aside from the Logistics Readiness. I think one of the things to think about that the US may have to do is massive amounts of community outreach to ensure that people understand or sections of communities understand why this is being done. The other part of this is we have to see aside some quarantines if they are perceived we have to invest in behavior change and community engagement because that is more sustainable and probably in the end. What's going to help? Stop the epidemic. Yeah so I guess one of my questions is if we got to a point where we needed to do you know big quarantines in the United States would it really be effective here versus a place like China which obviously has a different government setup? I think whether or not The mask oranges United States. Work are it's dependent on a few different factors right. Anything can work if you throw enough. Resources added if you're not willing to put enough manpower to make sure that you know something goes. According to plan. Then the question becomes is that the most effective way of spending resources but regardless of whether or not we pursue quarantine. I think the important thing to know is what makes quarantine effective in certain communities I. It's not as the amount of effort you put into engagement without community and the people that you are quarantining education about why that's being done and ensuring people that there needs both economic logistic and ability to survive while in quarantine or Matt. Yeah so I know there's been some back and forth about whether or not Corentin has been successful or not in in this case whether or not global efforts have helped slow the virus at all or have been a waste of resources. How do you see that I think majority of the attention been on China on whether or not the very strict restrictions that they placed in travel and quarantining entire cities? Actually help As I mentioned earlier I think quarantine is always a balanced between individual taking away an individual's freedom versus the potential benefits. That you might get from taking such a step despite my own unease with with massive quarantines you know. I do think that there are people who would say that this roic efforts you really call it a sacrifice on on the part of the Chinese people because they didn't stick with that strict quarantine orders they were given by their government It did bias time. It didn't stop it nor do I think at that point would have been effective in stopping it Did it by as potentially more time to prepare here and everywhere else and I think it probably did but at what cost and did we more importantly did we take advantage of that time.
Latest on coronavirus spreading in China and beyond
"Super spreading offense public health officials tracking the covert nineteen outbreak are on the lookout for them the new corona viruses already considered highly contagious and spread from a single city in China to the rest of the world within thirty days super spreading events in which one person infects many others could make the outbreak spread even faster and yours King Kong explains why last month a British man went to a conference in Singapore and then on a ski trip to the French Alps what he didn't know when he arrived in the Alps was that he was infected with the virus behind the coded nineteen outbreak and appears that during his stay at the ski village he invited eleven other people the World Health Organization says some are calling this a super spreading event Max slough Emory University models how diseases spread an individual in fact much more profound than typical average person early estimates for the new coronavirus suggests that the average infected person usually only spends it to two or three other people the possibility of super sporting events as worried researchers since the new corona virus was discovered it's because in the past super spending events have triggered explosive chains of transmission and other outbreaks Jessica Matt Caffrey searches population and disease dynamics at Princeton University the poster child receives running event happened during the sars outbreak where a huge proportion cases was traced back to this Metropol hotel back in two thousand three there is a doctor treating patients who as far as another corona virus disease he checked into the Metropol hotel in Hong Kong at least thirteen other people on this floor got sick and from that hotel the disease spread to Canada Vietnam and Singapore in twenty fourteen at more than three hundred new a bullet cases were traced to the funeral of a popular healer who died of the disease in Sierra Leone Adam could try ski studies the dynamics of infectious diseases at the London school of hygiene and tropical medicine in a twenty fifteen outbreak of another corona virus in South Korea about two thirds the transmission actually came just two events in Austin to a businessman infected at least twenty six people and one hospital and a person at a different hospital second eighty two other patients visitors and staff both of those instances fast track to the spread of the virus so in that situation if you can avoid this to find happening you you got a nice yeah so why does super spending happen Jamie Lloyd Smith who studies how diseases spread at UCLA so the factors that cause it very alive it runs the gamut from someone is feeling perfectly well that happens to be spreading virus without knowing it to somebody's quite sick in the active trying to help them puts the virus into the air and exposes people starting events often happen in hospitals were very sick people get Hosp the procedures that might expose others to their blood are there long fluids what Smith says that so far super spending events may be happening with the new coronavirus but they don't seem to be causing explosive outbreaks as they did in the early days of sars the question is why is that a biological difference between the two viruses or is a consequence of you know we actually learned some things about how to deal with these viruses and infection control the man that spread then you can run a virus to eleven others in the Alps health officials believe they caught that situation before it ignited a chain I could have spread Kobe nineteen
What's A 'Super-Spreading Event'? And Has It Happened With COVID-19?
"Super spreading events public health officials tracking the covert nineteen outbreak are on the lookout for them the new corona viruses already considered highly contagious it spread from a single city in China to the rest of the world within thirty days super spreading events in which one person infects many others could make the outbreak spread even faster NPR's King Kong explains why last month a British man went to a conference in Singapore and then on a ski trip to the French Alps what he didn't know when he arrived in the Alps was that he was infected with the virus behind the coup bid nineteen outbreak and it appears that during his stay at the ski village he infected eleven other people the World Health Organization says some are calling this a super spreading event Max Lao Emory University models how diseases spread an individual in fact much more profound and there should be co average person early estimates for the new coronavirus suggests that the average infected person usually only spent the two two or three other people the possibility of super sporting events as worried researchers since the new corona virus was discovered it's because in the past super spending events have triggered explosive chains of transmission and other outbreaks Jessica Matt Caffrey searches population and disease dynamics at Princeton University the poster child receives running event happened during the sars outbreak where a huge proportion cases was traced back to this Metropol hotel back in two thousand three there is a doctor treating patients who had sars another corona virus disease he checked into the Metropol hotel in Hong Kong at least thirteen other people on this floor got sick and from that hotel the disease spread to Canada Vietnam and Singapore in twenty fourteen at more than three hundred new a bullet cases were traced to the funeral of a popular healer who died of the disease in Sierra Leone Adam could charge ski studies the dynamics of infectious diseases at the London school of hygiene and tropical medicine in a twenty fifteen outbreak of another corona virus in South Korea about two thirds the transmission actually came just two events in hospitals a businessman infected at least twenty six people and one hospital and a person at a different hospital second eighty two other patients visitors and staff both of those instances fast track to the spread of the virus so in that situation if you can avoid this to find happening you you've got a nice yeah so why does super spending happen Jamie Lloyd Smith who studies how diseases spread at UCLA so the factors that cause it very alive it runs the gamut from someone is feeling perfectly well that happens to be spreading virus without knowing it to somebody's quite sick in the active trying to help them puts the virus into the air and exposes people super starting events often happen in hospitals were very sick people get Hosp the procedures that might expose others for their blood are there long fluids Lloyd Smith says that so far super spending events may be happening with the new coronavirus but they don't seem to be causing explosive outbreaks as they did in the early days of sars the question is why is that a biological difference between the two viruses or is it a consequence of you know we actually learned some things about how to deal with these viruses and infection control the case of the man that spread the new coronavirus to eleven others in the Alps health officials believe they caught that situation before it ignited a chain I could have spread coded
Dr Suzanne Donovan: The Corona Virus
"We've all heard about this newfangled disease at Wuhan. China called the corona virus. It's the one that the World Health Organization called a grave threat to the world. Well Dr Table and I invited back in amazing doctor to set a straight on the subject. Dr Suzanne Donovan. She's one of the most inspirational professionals. That Stephen I have ever had the honor of having on our show. She's a renown infectious disease specialist and infection control expert with all of you. Ucla Medical Center in Sylmar California. The last time Dr Donovan was with us. She shared her experiences fighting. Ebola outbreaks in the West African nation of Sierra Leone and her multi decade efforts to control the AIDS crisis. If you want to be inspired by a true story of heroism you owe it to yourself to go back to our fourth and fifth episode of medicine who are still practicing. So who better to help us understand the realities and the rumors around Corona virus? Dr Suzanne Donovan. Welcome back thank you for the invite to come back and talk about this new epidemic with with all of you. D'etre Steve Tell us what we're really dealing with here. Corona virus has been around for probably millions of years. I mean it's nothing new. I mean this. This small little are in a particle But it hasn't been as virulent as what we're seeing. I don't think in in the history of certainly a man but a best to talk about. You know what this is I think is is our esteemed guest. You know why now why this little virus that has sort of caused colds and flu like symptoms. Why now is it becoming so deadly? What's going on? I think we all need to remember that. This is the third epidemic. We've had related to a corona virus. We had SARS in two thousand and two two thousand and three the next decade we had Moore's Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome in around two thousand twelve and now we have this novel Corona Virus In Two thousand and twenty two thousand nineteen initially At least identified in China so this is nothing new and also. It's really important to remember that our ability to detect epidemics and detect the the the origin of the epidemic has changed dramatically in the last fifty years with molecular technology. So we've just gotten better at testing for it. I think we've gotten better at early. Diagnosis of outbreaks. It's a you know you would know if there was a pandemic that's correct and you know so that would not be any mystery but is this not more virulent than SARS. And Moore's well I think when we use the term. We have to be very clear what we're talking about. Virulent refers to a disease and its ability to cause organ destruction or death to the host. The data that we have to date is that this is much less virulent than SARS immerse. The other thing. I think it's really important to say is there's a lot of talking heads out there in corona virus. Some that are super smart. Much smarter than than I am Maybe some that are a little less informed and we know very little about this virus at this point. We don't know the attack right in other words if we one of. Us had the virus in this room. Right now how many individuals would be infected in the next two weeks? We don't really know that the other thing we don't know we don't know the case fatality rate in other words out of ten people that have corona virus. How many will go on to die? Or how many will end up have having significant morbidity or disease from this ending up in the ICU ending up on a ventilator. We have none of this data coming out of China. All were seen as the tip of the iceberg. The tip of the iceberg are the dust and the people being hospitalized. We have no idea of the scope of the number of individuals that are infected that are as symptomatic or mildly symptomatic because that data is not there seems like it's moving pretty quickly anytime you have. What's called a novel or new virus or virus and a population that is naive or has no preexisting immunity to it. We expect to see a lot of cases I think are most important job if you look at mirrors and SARS or even a bola and the US is first to manage the anxiety and manage the communication and the message about this virus. It's important that the the public know about this virus so that everyone can be alerted to the dangers. I just unfortunately on a soapbox about irresponsible reporting and sensationalism. But I think it does a disservice to the population. The chair of Public Health at Hong Kong University said that he believes sixty percent of the world's population is at risk. How does he come to a statement like that? He's doing what's called and I believe that article that he wrote. It is not not yet peer reviewed. He's doing what is called mathematical modeling of outbreaks. So there's something called are not Which is would be similar to the attack rate which is the number of individuals that are going to be infected during the time the individuals infectious so implant would be around one and a half individuals may be to to put it in perspective. Measles would be around fifteen to seventeen. Well I'm much more concerned about a measles case which we had recently in Los Angeles coming in on a case of corona virus. What happens in China where there may not be the infection control practices in hospitals? There may not be access to the ability to do hand hygiene respiratory hygiene The dynamics of transmission in China is going to be different the night dynamics of transmission in the US. So if you look at the handful of cases that we've had in the US were not seen exponential growth here in the US. What's the difference between having the flu? And having corona that's a great question I would say for most individuals with Krona virus which we diagnose to all the time in in the US. It's like having a cold. You're more likely probably feel a lot sicker with the flu than you would. For the run-of-the-mill Corona virus this particular corona virus. We don't quite understand the dynamics of what it doesn't individuals yet. What we do know is that there appears to be a lower rate of complication in the pediatric population. For reasons. We don't understand what we don't know is whether this corona virus is going to be like SARS during the SARS outbreak the virus responsible for SARS was able to change its genetic code. Become more virulent. Actually become more dangerous to the human hosts that did not happen to the murders outbreak. And we don't know what's going to happen with this virus and so. I think we have more unanswered questions about both the clinical presentation of what happens when someone gets sick. But the dynamics of the infection why do younger individuals not get as sick as older individuals? Is there anything any symptom at all that you can tell? Us IS UNIQUE TO CORONA virus. That is different than the flu. I would say there is nothing that would distinguish a bad cold from someone with hospital not test for krona vires so the current CDC criteria. Because it's different in every country. The current criteria is that you have a combination of clinical symptoms and what we call epidemiologic risk factors so epidemiologic risk factors is. Where have you been and mortar? Have you been doing still ask our kids all the time? So where have you been? Have you been the China? And what part of China is number one and number two? What symptoms are you having? And the symptoms are looking for is a fever and respiratory symptoms -portant reimbursed Pretoria meaning. I'm coughing cough and short of breath or a fever if you have a strong epidemiologic risk factor. You're from Wuhan or you're in a household with someone from John who is symptomatic and you have symptoms of a fever or a cough that hospital. Er should call public health. And they will confirm that and then they will authorize screening. No doctor in the studio can order this test. It's not order -able through a private lap this incubation period that they've been talking about which is to to fourteen days basically anytime during that time you can essentially be a carrier right. You can give it to people. Let's talk about those terms. A carrier is different than someone who has mild symptoms versus someone who's symptomatic. There was one case reported out of Germany that was published as a letter in New England Journal of Medicine stating that an ace symptomatic case transmitted the virus however it appeared the authors did not talk to the patient purveyed. Yes so they wrote up the communication and it turned out the case was symptomatic. We know that there is what is called. Pre prodromos shutting. So pro drome is. I think I'm GONNA get sick. I feel like I'm coming down with something and then the next day. You're really sick when you're in that pro drome you can. Shed many different viruses. Pre Promo is before you even have that program you can shut of ours but what is very important to remember is for most the vast majority of infections there is a very clear relationship between the amount of virus in your body and your symptoms. What that means is your most likely to be infectious when you have symptoms and the way you transmit corona virus. The main way to transmit corona virus is by coughing and depositing droplets. Anew your three feet away from me so I could infect you. If you're a symptomatic the only way you can transmit that virus is by touching your mucus membranes and then touching a surface than than you would touch it so this is not a doorknob issue this is. This is a very low risk issue. We need to focus in on the symptomatic population. Does this live on surfaces. Yes it does. How long well? I'm I would love to find that outright source still getting environmental surface data but we know in general corona viruses are what are called enveloped viruses so they have little protection around themselves so they can persist on surfaces for even over a week. Which is why it's very very Karen ME SUZANNE IN THIS COUNTRY. We do not have ongoing corona virus transmission. I see here were we live. Many students many individuals wearing masks. And I'm wondering the only reason to wear a mask is if you're having symptoms or if you're robbing a bank due to wearing masks for self protection there is no reason to wear a mask in the absence of you having symptoms or you're going into a hospital and you're going to be seeing a patient but only when you're working with the patient exactly virus so we're not advocating and you're not advocating. I'm sure using a mask of any kind to be in the general population whether you're on an airplane whether you're having dinner in Chinatown there's little reason to be doing that in this country where there's two reasons that do number one for what you just said. A number two. We now have an international shortage of both categories of Mass M. It's a national security. Issue is not if if the media is propagating. The the panic mentality. You can certainly say that. There's no reason for panic at this and yet the media is fanning the flames of panic. Because that was was going to get people to tune in to their show with should be saying is just the opposite. Yes is dangerous. It's serious but at this juncture. They should be saying. There's no reason for
The Falklands War Explained
"This episode is on the Falcons will and so we get straight into the Falklands war was a ten week. Undeclared war which we Argentina and the United Kingdom in one thousand nine hundred ninety two over two different territories in the south Atlanta the focus on islands territorial dependency which is south Georgia and South Sandwich Islands. The conflict guy on the second of I pro. When Argentine forces invaded occupied the focus ORLANDS? This was followed by invasion of south Georgia the next day in an attempt to establish the sovereignty claim them over on the fifth of April. The British government dispatched a naval task force to engage each week the Argentine navy and Air Force before making them in February so come the island. This conflict lasted seventy four days and ended with the Argentine surrender on the fourteenth for June. Were turning the islands to British control in total six forty nine auditorium military personnel. It's now on two hundred and fifty richest personnel and three folklore owners died during the hostilities. The conflict was a major episode. In the protracted dispute over the territory's sovereignty Argentina selected our maintains that they were Argentine find territory and Argentine government. That's characterizes military action as the reclamation of its territory the British government regard the action As an invasion of in crime colony since eighteen forty one the folkman islanders who had inhabited the island since the early nineteenth century with predominantly descendants of British cyclists and strongly favored which is shocking Leave estate officially declared war. Although both the government declared the islands of warzone hostilities was almost exclusively limited to the territories UNDIS- disputes and the area South Atlantic where Louis the conflict had a strong effect in both cultures and has been the subject various books articles films on songs uh-huh patriotic sentiment ran high in Argentina. But the outcome prompted large protests against the military government hastened its downfall in the United Kingdom the conservative government boasted by the successful outcome was reelected increased majority the following year the the cultural and political effects of the conflict have been less than the UK done in Argentina where it remains a common topic for discussion. Diplomatic diplomats relations between the United Kingdom and Argentina were restored in one thousand nine hundred nine fallen meeting Madrid a which the two governments issued the joint statement. No change in either country's position regarding the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands were made explicit in Nineteen ninety-four Argentina's in times claim to the territory was added to its constitution in the period leading up to the wall in particular perform transfer of power between the military dictators. General Jorge Raphael Videla and General Roberto Eduardo Viola late in March nineteen eighty see what Argentina have been in the midst of a devastating economic stagnation and large scale civil unrest against the military Giunta that been governor the country since nineteen seventy six in December. One thousand nine hundred what there was a change in the audit time military regime bringing to office. It's a new GENTA headed by General Leopoldo Galtieri Acting President and Averick Adele Lameta an admiral. George Weah was the main architect and supporter of military solution for the long standing claim over the islands calculating and that the United Kingdom would never respond militarily by opt-in for military action the Galateri government hoped to mobilized choice along standard patriotic feelings of Argentines towards the islands. Their star the public attention from the country's current economic problems on the regime's James Ongoing Human rights violations of the dirty war such actions would also boast a dwindling legitimacy the new space last preceding speculated on a step-by-step plan beginning with cutting off supplies to the island and direct actions slate to nine thousand nine hundred two if the UN talks were fruitless ongoing tension between the couteau countries over islands increased the online from March where Military Group of Argentine scrap metal merchants. They actually infiltrated by Argentine Marines raised as the Argentine flag at South Georgia Island. A not that would like to be seen as the first offensive action in the war. The blow navy ice patrol vessel H- H must endure. It was dispatched from standing to South Georgia on the twentieth in response the Argentine Ministry Genta suspect in the UK would reinforce his Atlantic forces ordered the invasion of the fulcrum islands to be brought forward to the second-ranked The UK was initially taken by surprise by the Argentine attack on the South Atlantic islands. Despite repeated wouldn't wooden royal naval captain Nicholas Barker it commanded. They're enjoying anivers- Balka believed that the Defense Secretary John Not Nineteen Nineteen eighty-one review in which knots described plans to rejoin the joins. The Yolk case only naval presence in the in the South Atlantic at center signal not Argentines that UK was unwilling would soon be unable to defend his territories subjects in the Falkland Islands on the Second Night Nineteen eight thousand nine hundred. The Argentine forces mounted on Fabius London's known as Operation Rosario on the Falkland Islands the invasion was met with nominal defense organized by full. Didn't governor Sir. Rex Hunt giving command to Major. Might Norman of the Royal Marines brings the events invasion included end of life. Talent commander Admiral Sanchez supply. Thomas I'm fabulous commanders. Group the attack on Moody Brook Barracks. The engagement between troops of Hugo Santelli on bill trip at Stanley on the final engagement and surrender government. Government has worthy invasion. I reach the U. K.. From auditing solstice. A minister defense operative in London had a short tally tax. Conversation with Governor. Hunt's telex operation confirmed that Argentines on the island and in control later that day BBC journalists Lorrimore Golez spoke with an Orlando at goose green via average rage of who confirmed the presence of a large oftentimes entire fleet and the Argentine forces had taken control of the island richest military operations in the Fulcrum Wolf were given the code thing Operation Culpa and the commander of the Task Force was Melissa. John fieldhouse operations lasted from first of all April nineteen thousand nine hundred to the twentieth of June nineteen ninety two. The British undertook a series of military operations as a means of recapturing the fortunes from Argentine Argentine occupation the British royalty taken prior in second April invasion in response to the events on South Georgia the submarines henchman splendid and H- H Mess Fox and was ordered to South to south on twenty nine March whereas the store ship Royal Flea Cle- exonerate for Austin was dispatched from the western Mediterranean H Messengers North Carrington. I wish to send a third submarine but his decision with deferred due to concerns about the impact on operational commitments coincidentally on the second of March suckering suckering hikmet superb after broke up and it was just seemed was in the press to be heading south that has been since been speculation. The effect effect these reports were panic. The Argentine Genta into invading the Falkland Islands before nuclear powered submarines could be deployed the following day. Join a crisis. Meeting headed by Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. The Chief of Naval Staff at Henry Leach advise that quote written could send Taskforce Skip. The islands were invaded and on the first April sent orders to a royal naval force. CARRINA LENA exercises in the Mediterranean to provide south-south Phony invasion on the second of April after emergency meeting of the cabinet approval was given to form a task force to retake the islands. This was backed in an emergency session of the House of Commons. The next day on the six by the British government set up a war cabinet to provide today political oversight the campaign this was the CRISCO instrument crisis-management to the British with his remittance to keep under review political or military development relating to the South Atlantic and to report as necessary to Defense Overseas Policy Committee. The Wall Cabinet Matt at least daily until it was dissolved on the twelfth of August although Margaret Thatcher is described as dominating the wool cabinet Lawrence Friedman notes in the official history of the Falkland Islands Campaign that she did not know opposition without concern of however wants a decision was reached. She did not look back and quote on the evening of April. The United Kingdom's nation's ambassador possums for a drop. The president of the United Nations Gertie Council the resolution which condemned hostilities in the media. Argentine ritual from the island was adopted by the council the following day as United Nations. WHO's not council resolution five? Oh two which passed with ten votes in simple when against ends up stations. China the Soviet Union potent UK receive fervor political support from members members countries the Commonwealth of Nations and the European Economic Community Australia Canada New Zealand withdrew that diplomats from bodice Ariz the e say also provided economic support by imposing economic sanctions on Argentina. Auden itself was politically literally backed by a majority of countries in Latin America of crucially knocked chilly and also some members of the Non Aligned Movement. The New Zealand government expelled the Argentine ambassador following the invasion Prime Minister Rob Dune was in London. When will grow finding an opinion piece published in science? He said quote the military rulers of Argentina must not be appeased. New Zealand will back Britain all the way and unquote will cost in on BBC World Service. He told the focus islands. This quote this robot mode do we all think Commu Given our full support total to the British government isn't this endeavors to rectify the situation. Get rid of the people invaded your Country Country Unquote on the twenty for May nine hundred eighty two. He announced that New Zealand would make H. M. S.. Concentrate prey lead. The class frigate valuable to use when the British were could fit to release royal. Navy vessels from the Falcons in the House of Commons almonds. Afterwards Margaret Thatcher said quote the New Zealand government and people have absolutely magnificent in support of this country and the Falkland Islanders just for the rule of liberty of law and quote the French president. Francois Mitterrand declared embargo home. Frenchamn sows thousand assistance to Argentina. In addition from allowed UK act craft warships use of his poor field facilities. That car in Senegal Frans provided dismisal aircraft training. So that Harry pilots could be trained against the French aircraft used by Argentina Intelligence also cooperated with Britain to prevent Argentina from containing more exit missiles on the international market. Kim a two thousand two interview in reference to the support John Not then defense secretary at disquiet France. At Britain's quote greatest tally in two thousand twelve. He came to light that wall. This poll was taken place. A French technical team employed by docile and already in Argentina remained death throughout the world. Despite presidential decree the team had provided material support to the Argentines identify and fixing faults in exit missile launchers. John Not set the unknown. The French team was that beset. It's what was thought. Be Not of any the important and advised that French government denied any knowledge the time that the tech teams that in contrast French intelligence officer maintained a team was that it was in intelligence gathering capacity. Joel not that asked if he regretted his surly praised. The French said he's the French. were quote the excess and always have been an quote. The Sierra Leone government allowed task for ships to refuel preterm. BBC Ten transport aircraft landed on Joel in the Gambia Umbria flight between the UK and Ascension Islands. The United States was concerned. A protracted conflict with the Soviet Union Argentina's Argentina's side and initially tried to meet yet then to the conflict through shuttle diplomats however when Argentina refused the US peace over rituals US Secretary of State Alexander. Hey announced that. The United States would prohibit sale arms to Argentina and provide material support richest operations rations both houses the US Congress passed resolutions supporting us. Parchin sided with the United Kingdom. The into and you S. provided United Kingdom with Sidewinder missiles for use by the Harrier jets President Ronald Reagan approved Royal Navy's Request to borrow the sea curry capable amphibious assault ship. US Awad Jima. If the British lost aircraft carrier the United States Navy developed a plan to help the richest man that Shit with American military contractors likely retired sailors with knowledge of a Jima Systems
STEMinists: Mae Carol Jemison
"To space and she's also a physician volunteer entrepreneur and teacher. Let's talk about the multitalented Mae Carol Jemison they may Carol Jemison was born in Decatur Alabama on October Seventeenth Nineteen fifty-six. She's the youngest of three siblings and she was three her. Her family moved to Chicago. May's parents maintenance worker at an elementary schoolteacher always encouraged her curiosity and desire to be a scientist in one interview may set her parents were the best scientists. She knew because they were always asking questions. mm-hmm. May herself was inquisitive from an early age. She spent much of her time in her school library. Reading about astronomy and other sciences by the time may was in highschool. She'd already decided to pursue a career in biomedical engineering. She received the national achievement scholarship for Stanford University and left home for college when she was just sixteen years old at Stanford may studied chemical engineering and African American can studies she also participated in dance and feeder and served as the head of the universities Black Student Union in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven she completed pleaded her degree at Stanford and enrolled in Cornell University's medical school she studied and worked abroad in Cuba Kenya and Thailand after Cornell now she worked as a general practitioner before serving in the Peace Corps in Sierra Leone and Liberia when may return to the US. She went back to work as a general zero practitioner but it wasn't long before she decided to take a shot at a childhood dream. The space shuttle Challenger's five astronauts sleeping now in nineteen eighty three may watch to sally ride became the first American woman in space but as the Challenger climbed today carried American woman astronaut astronaut Sally Ride into space and into history may was inspired decided to apply to NASA's astronaut program she was selected as one of only fifteen candidates out of more than two thousand applicants may join the Astronaut Corps in nineteen eighty seven and after drew extensive training took her historic flight on September Twelfth Nineteen ninety-two ever lower the locker visors world twelve good luck on conviction that bill on the past x Ray in the visible lending at our planet earth in the neck copies. Thanks on that day. She became the first black woman in space she traveled on the space shuttle. Endeavor or three three two one booster ignition and liftoff of space shuttle Endeavour on twenty-first-century mission placing Earth back on the Mac doc may was the mission specialist of the journey. She conducted bone cell research as well as experiments on weightlessness and motion sickness. The Group of seven seven astronauts took one hundred twenty six orbits around the Earth and the mission lasted eight days after as time and space she left NASA in March of nineteen ninety-three she went on to teach environmental studies at Dartmouth College and founded her own company called the Jemison group you a technology consulting firm that seeks to incorporate solutions to social issues in the design of Engineering and science projects. She's a vocal local advocate for greater inclusion of women and people of Color in stem and she's also an advocate for comprehensive science education for kids. She contributes to efforts provided dance technology to schools worldwide. We all need to be stim- literate just to work our way through the day we need to be stim- litter may has also also taken over leadership of the one hundred year starship program the program which was originally established by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency works to develop means for traveling beyond the solar system within the next one hundred years. It's aims to benefit many people on Earth as possible along the way in case. You weren't impressed enough already a leave you with some parting fun facts about the Amazing Mae Carol Jemison final frontier she she speaks three languages other than her native English Japanese Russian and Spike Ely voyages of starship enterprise. She also appeared appeared on Star Trek the next generation making her the first real space goer to play a character on the iconic show boldly go where no man has gone before. You're all science. All space exploration everything we do in the world is about imagination in using your creativity to expand beyond your the Obama join us next time for the story of another
Dana Perino on Developing Her Own Voice
"After spending seven years in the Bush administration rising to press secretary Dana Perino had become comfortable speaking speaking on behalf of others including the forty third president but she transitioned into roles on Fox News after the White House Dana develop her own voice who cared what I thought I could tell you what President Bush thought and why he thought that are how we got to that decision and I was very comfortable in that role on the first episode of Season Season Two of the strategic wrist Dana Talks about how she always remembers to focus on the good news how she deals with social media trolls and how her career in country music is progressing. I'm Andrew Kaufman and this strategic presented by the George Bush Institute what happens when you cross the forty third president late night sketch comedy and compelling conversation. The strategic has a podcast born from the word strategically which was coined by the now and embraced by the George Bush administration station we highlight the Americans feared of leadership and compassion through thought provoking conversations and we're reminded that the most effective leaders are the ones who laughed. We're joined for today's episode by Dana Perino former White House press secretary and now Fox News Co host the five host of the daily briefing Dana Perino podcast co host of I'll tell you what she's a bestselling author so you're pretty busy. Thank you for taking the the time to do this. This honored to be here. I I love coming here to the Bush Center. It's whenever you step in that front door. It's like wow this place is beautiful. Thank you for saying that and doing such great work thank Q. and our co host is Hannah Avni your friend and VP of external affairs. She's back again Hannah. Thank you for doing it again. Thank you for having me again Andrew so Dana you so you recently you're now we're recording artist as well. Gaza May dierks dirks a Dirks Bentley superfan right. I yeah superfan Fan. Also I get to call him a friend now to happens if you stock long enough so. Do you think he's going to invite you to be on a song the backup side when you have a number one song in the world. It's kind of like you. I don't need to really do it again. I don't think but it's pretty funny when I worked at the White House. Well let me go way back when I I was in college and I thought I wanted to go into media back then if you wanted to get into TV you had to start in radio and I didn't want to have to do my radio experience after right graduated so I got a job part time job as a country music. Dj working overnight and Pueblo Colorado and I ah I didn't really I had grown up in the West but I had really listen to country music when I was a teenager I didn't really do that so I was completely out of it I I I introduced the first night a song by Tracy Lawrence and I said and here she is with their new Song Tracy Lawrence and then of course raises Lawrence's a man uh-huh tricky. I we have to do so fast forward and during the years at the White House. I don't think I listen to any music back at all. I didn't even have an IPOD when we left. That was the technology at the time I had nothing I listen to. NPR or whatever else was happening rush limbaugh or something so Kakitumba on the news and so when I left the White House or when we all left the White House I got an ipod I guess it was and I used to travel back and forth to to New York a lot and I just started downloading country music and Dirk Bentley Song Come. A little closer was out at the time China so that's how we became a fan. Would you like to sing a little bit of but I do have the worst voice but the other thing you're talking about is I don't I'm blessed with having lots of ideas and not a lot of time to execute however so in two thousand sixteen the five went on a bus trip to go conventions. RNC Indian say and at one point in the back of the bus Greg Gut failed and I were sitting there and he was making me laugh so hard because he was just making up nonsense country songs about the five about Fox News about everything and he just had me giggling so much and I said we should should go to Nashville and record a song about the five and record it with a real recording artists and then release it for charity so three years later it came true. We have a wonderful executive producer of the five called Megan Albano. She figured it out we teamed up John Rich from big and rich who is a wonderful person big fan of forty three's as well and we went to Nashville and in one take he's saying the song that we sang the backup part. It's called Oh shut up about politics and it's not about shutting any particular person up. It was just about how politics has entered into everything sports music music theater technology. Everything's just too much and so we have a song called shut up about politics. We released it and within two hours it was number one on the country charts and then and that whole weekend it was number one in the world bigger than Lady Gaga Justin Bieber it was astounding. It's amazing it was amazing and all the proceeds go to folds of honor so we're pretty proud of it. Ninety nine cents you can download it on full. Honor does great work. We've done incredible work. We're familiar with there were pretty well and they're just such great such a great organization. That was pretty fun fun. I have a question for you off of that. Though I mean you're right politics is in absolutely everything you cannot get away from it and we talk about that a lot too. I mean even when you're going through Instagram instagram stories. It's just permeates every bit of it. It's in your life obviously multiple times a day. How do you get away from politics and focus on the thing? I feel a little a lot better than I did even from a few years ago because I've really embodied this idea that politics is what I do. It is not who I am and I have carved off my weekends and my evenings when I'm not working but but I don't go to dinner to talk about politics with people unless I agree with them now. That's GonNa sound like Oh that's not very fair and balanced view but I argue all day long and so in my personal life I pretty much. Don't I have a rule that I wrote about in the in the Jasper book which is no politics at the dog park. You're that's a safe place for me and if and even people that WanNa talk to me about politics at the Dog Park Mike Sorry I don't talk politics at the dog park. I have a policy and then laugh about it and they move on and I also carry a lot less about social media than I did. In Two thousand sixteen. I was really attacked by the Russians. Even though I didn't know as Russians at the time I remember actually coming here to the Bush Center right before the two thousand sixteen election. I can't remember what I was doing and AH chance to see President Bush and he's how you doing and I told him I had the worst professional summer of my life you know being attack and I was really kind of in the fetal position under my desk and even like my husband would say how can I help you. There's there's nothing you can do and it gave me a big appreciation for what parents are going through when their children are consumed assumed with their phone because you don't know what's being said and it's so demoralizing I was a grown woman. I've been the White House press secretary. How could this affect me so much and and I remember President Bush saying? Why didn't you call me like a really imagine if I had called President Bush and said Sir people are being really mean to me on twitter he would have said get off twitter on it solved this one's easy and actually it is easy so once you step away from from it or somebody gave me a tip to only have mentioned from people that you follow and Eric Schmidt of Google actually pulled me aside at one point in two thousand seventeen as I was explaining what it was like to be one of the people that was targeted by these Russian boots but I didn't know they were rushing at the time I just said it's overwhelming and he pulled me aside Dana? These are not real people and you explain to me how the whole system worked in Saint Petersburg and I don't know that just gave me an ability to say it doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter no so I it's weird to say that as much as politics permeating everything for me. It's probably less a part of my life than in the previous elections that I've covered for Fox. Was it similar to how you regrouped. After you left the White House taking a breath stepping away from it no not really I mean I remember the day that we'd left Andrews Air Force Base and Peter and I left to go on the trip to Africa. I leaned my head back against is the seat and I said nothing I do for the rest of my life will ever be that important or that hard and it's really true when I make a comment now. I'm not gotTA START A war. I also have a great appreciation for what public servants go through and I want to support deport them. No matter what party they're from if you're willing to put your self out there and run for office and try to do the right thing I try to be supportive. Okay talk to us about mercyships touch. You talked about a little bit when you left the West so interesting about mercy ships. There's actually a Bush connection there too okay so obviously President Bush and Mrs Bush were amazing leaders. When it came to Africa I I got to go to Africa with them? In February of two thousand eight and in typical forty-three fashion we did five countries in seven days. I got my first migraine. I couldn't even go to the Kigali event because I had to stay on the plane and two liters of fluid into my arm and so I didn't get to go to the and and I've been sad about not making it to Rwanda ever since given the statistics about pep far so many times at the podium that I thought I understood Africa and then I was just totally blown away when I went there and I came back and I said Peter we need to go for six months after the White House and he said how about six weeks so we did six weeks compromise and yeah so we did a pet farsight that's on in Fishhook South Africa and Peter and I just had this confusing time and that did help us reset our priorities and our hearts and to reconnect as a couple as well because we're so blessed here in America and you can get caught up in what about me. What am I gonNa do to the White House and just being able to have a bigger world view? After I left was great great fast forward mercy ships asked me through my speakers bureau if I would come to Dallas and moderate a conversation between the president and Mrs Bush in front of their dinner group so I said well sure that sounds great so peter and I were coming down here now prior to that I had join the one campaigns women advisory board and I had gone to several countries with them. I had also been on the Broadcasting Board of Governors under President Obama and I'd gone to Africa on behalf of of that organization as well trying to increase the amount of content of for women in particular and Africa because we found that men will definitely listen to the radio for news in sports but women will listen if it's about health and their kids so anyway it's just little bit of an effort to do that so at the dinner right before the Q. One eight with the president and Mrs Bush. I'm sitting there and somebody says well. Why did you get interested in Africa so I'm telling him than soul story that I'm telling you and then I I said just a few months ago I got to go to Sierra Leone and I went to this place called the Aberdeen Clinic and it was started by Scottish heiress us and it's so amazing they were doing fistula surgeries there and the day I was there? They were teaching the women there how to count to ten and the lady next to me said Oh she's not a Scottish heiress. Her name is Ann Gloag and she's sitting right behind you. This is a self made businesswoman in Scotland who was a burn unit nurse for twenty years but then she and her brothers started a bussing service in the UK when Margaret Thatcher deregulated the transportation sector and they became very successful and as the company expanded she took Africa and and when she got there she said this will never do so she started doing all of this philanthropy there and that's how I ended up talking to her and I said to Peter we have to go see mercy mercy ships for ourselves so that's how we got involved and it's a surgical hospital ship they do the West Coast of Africa that night they were kicking off a capital campaign for a brand new ship because they I usually retrofit and old ship and