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It was hilarious. Who's a you're not heard it? Can you can? Yes. Sake. Swear words, maybe break the stick against the wall on going on the plane, which some TV. Comeback. Maybe say couple other were worse or whatever yell at somebody. And. Couples whereas break to stick on the wall. Tv swearwords, grossly. Last year. We had none during the season. So far this year. We have to coach dismissals we'll get to LA. Let's start with the gentleman who brought Chicago back to greatness tend to forget how bad it was before this version of Chicago Blackhawks arrived, three Stanley Cups eleven seasons. The majority of the wildly successful a rejuvenated, Chicago market, Joel Quenneville out of work. Yeah. Let's get right into it right away. There has long been rumors of a Cold War rift between STAN Bowman and Joel Quenneville and it came up with the media conference on Tuesday. And STAN Bowman said, it's just not true. Was there friction? And was that a problem for you jest? That's because there's no truth that whatsoever. Quite the contrary. I like I said in my opening remarks Joel's, Ben great to me the entire time. We've been together. I would say we have a very good relationship. Do we agree on everything over ten years now? We don't but we see the game. Very similarly. And I think that's one of the reasons we're able to have as much success as we did together. So there's just no truth to that. At all. It was a difficult conversation this morning, and I have asked him about this before. And he said the same thing to me he said, it's not true since I'm actually do agree with says what's wrong with people in a job disagreeing philosophically. He said, I'm sure the Joel is not always happy with my decisions. I'm always happy with what he does. But you worked together. So maybe STAN Bowman doesn't see it the same way that other people see it. But I size MC day because it's the beginning of the end of that black hog tied Assy, you think they're tearing the whole thing. Well, no, I'm just saying one of the biggest pieces is now gone true. And if they win it's not going to be the same way that they won before. Right. Is going to be somebody else. Whether it's debrincat or someone who becomes a big part of this. And number two. I just think that it's hard not to look at this whole thing and say the way it's gone for a decade. They had tremendous success. But it was always uneasy. It was never said there were other times like after the two thousand twelve season. People told me that Quenneville could be out when Mark Berge and got the GM job in in Montreal. I remember Glenn Healy, and I went on on the show, and we said Joel Quenneville could be the next coach and a day or two later Quenneville had an extension. It was almost indirect response to what we talked about. Then you'll last summer we thought that might be it for Glenville, and I like to John McDonough, the president came out and said we had not contemplated decision last year. We didn't have our goaltender would have Corey Crawford. Marion Hosa was out for the season. I thought and I thought it was unfair at the time. If this decision was made after not making the playoffs slamming out the season before it's been playoff failure. And then no playoffs. If that decision was already made what's fifteen extra games gonna tell you. Here's what I wonder. Okay. And this is just you, and I talking everybody who's listening to this a good one because I haven't had a chance to follow it up yet. They're combination number. They were forty ninth. If you add up there were twenty second and one in twenty seventh and the other on special teams so numbers forty nine. And you know, a lot of teams they add up those numbers. Whether it's close to a hundred or were you rank in combination? The fact that both assistant coaches went with Joel Quenneville will first of all Samuelson Dunedin, Quenneville tight. But Secondly, I do wonder if some of it is they're like you have to change that. And he was not willing to do it. But the other thing I wanted to vote is what happened in that game on Saturday night. We did all the collapse that third period. Well, no, the the major, oh when he didn't have someone had to kill. Extra minutes, but doesn't eleven years of success. Three Stanley Cups by a little more grace. Hey, we had to kill for an extra buck thirty. Yes. But it's pretty clear there at the end anyway, right? I just don't know how you get to the end that quickly the beginning of the season. When you're saying, hey, we're going to give them a little more rope. They lie. Denny savar. Well, allies time, they fired a coach it was four games. We saw Philly fire coach after what three or four games peer lobby latte all those years ago. You know, some teams do it and this shot out of the gate. They were great even without Crawford. I just think it's the end of a lot of frustration. Maybe STAN Bowman doesn't see at the same way that everybody else sees it. And that's fine. But I think that people who are tight with Joel Quenneville would tell you. He saw very differently. I agree with STAN moment with his point that you don't have to like someone to do business with them. There's a lot of friction between people that can lead to great success. Whether it's sports, whether it's politics, whether it's art whether it's mute I mean, how many bands have, hey, the some of the best music we've ever heard sports panels all of you may see some tonight's as we present the penguins and the Washington Capitals. So I agree on that count. But the whispers weren't exactly whispers going. Two thousand twelve of the friction between the two and how this was known a holy marriage. That was not going to last, but Cueva Kathleen get wins the opportunity for that side of the Blackhawks management group to pull the trigger on getting rid of Joel Quenneville. We're all sort of waiting for it many thought of might be after the the situation with the national predators in the opening round. And he thought it'd be the end last year with now making the playoffs. I just don't know how philosophically again, I'm asking the same question. How you arrive at this early in the season when you have eight seasons worth of work to look at high in don't make that decision in the off season. I just don't get it. I think John McDonough explained it from their perspective that they felt he deserved another opportunity. But it's clear that things were on tenterhooks. Right. We've been wondering about this for a couple years now, how long would it be? And you know, I think the other thing too. That's obvious to me here is that they owe him a lot of. Money told me about pretty much. Yeah. And they oh, I think deneen sandwich combined for about a million season. So it's a little less than fourteen million. Right. That's a lot of money. And even for the Blackhawks who are team that makes money not always comes out your slagging, Jeremy Colton. I'm not doing that. I have no reason to slag him. But there's a reason that he's the coach here. And that's because you know, they couldn't really go out and get someone else when they're paying fourteen million Elaine vino five sheets to come in when they're already coat. Coat or whatever. The Rangers were willing to eat. Right. Right. Absolutely. I think that is absolutely part of the equation. So what does this mean then getting past the any else dad on on the Quin voltage sort of move past that and talk with the Blackhawks and the future of the no I said what we need to say. So the question then becomes if this is the beginning is you mentioned the end of that air of Chicago Blackhawks nineteen eight Keith and see rook and Crawford and Stanley Cups in his great and here come the hawks. And so what does that mean? Now like, what does that mean? Now is every when you make a move like this, you get rid of Joel Quenneville does that mean that everything is on the table? I mentioned the central the other day and Kittery us looked at me like I had three heads. Listen when you make a move like this does that mean that everybody's available that you're taking a sharp new turn. I don't think. So you listen to anything I don't think so yet because as they've said they still plan on contending. So you're not sending guys away. Even if you were I don't think you're trading. Patrick kane. I don't think you're trading. Patrick Kane either. They don't know you can say the same thing of Jonathan. Would you entertain that? I mean, look is actually this is my story. So last year I heard a rumor that taes wanted to as the Commissioner to redo his contract because it was hurting them cap wise and to take less money, take less mild to rework his deal. Maybe I don't know. I just heard rework the deal. So and said look into this taes wanted to meet with the Commissioner to rework his deal. And so I called that's a team. Don't get to excite. Okay. So I called Pat Persson, and he said that is not true. Okay. So I saw Taves this summer at Scott Oakes event for son. And I'm like this is not the right time to ask him about this. And I knew I was going to see him again at the NHL PA media, Dan, Chicago. So I asked him off camera said, okay before we start this. I want to ask you if this is true. And he laughed. He said who told she? I said that is not true. I said, okay. Well, there you go. But I wanted to bring that up. But he knows the guy. I would be really curious about who. I think they could move if they wanted to move him. And if he wanted to go like tasers his numbers ten five it's a big number still number two. That's the guy. That's the guy if you decide that you are out of it. And you have to go to him because his cap it is reasonable five point three five point nine point nine. We should double check this. Because people are gonna start tweeting. Crazy. I'll check I right now. I have to check the term, and you know, Duncan Keith is not like a number one power play guy five five point five. Okay. So there's very reasonable done kids. Not a number one power play guy anymore. But he's still really good. He's in great shape. He takes great care of himself. He can still skate the pocket of trouble. But he's gotta wanna go. I could see a lot of contenders. Looking at that and saying that could be a guy could that be how many years did you have left through twenty twenty three? Yeah. He's on a twelve year deal signed a big deal. So it's, you know, five more years, and that's the number that allowed them to win a couple of extra Cup. Yes. That's the contract when the book is written. We'll go back to Duncan Keith and say that's the deal that allowed them to win the Cup. Yes. If. You're gonna gamble on a guy physically. It's a big gamble. But he's one of the guys you gamble on. Because he's always taken care of himself. And he's a phenomenal athlete. Like remember doing the story on going back to Michigan state when he showed up with a great athlete was you know, he might be the guy. But obviously they're going to win it. Now, I it circles back to a question you ask whenever coach gets fired as you look at players you may want shuffle out to shuffling younger versions and try to get Chicago little bit half steps lower than than many teams. They face off against. I think the question asking whenever coaches dismissed, and we asked us about Los Angeles is the issue coaching issue composition. That's the first one that I always asked what what's the problem here is it what the general manager has done. Or is it what has the coach done is it a combination of both? And we know the Quenneville in Bowman didn't see eye to eye about nNcholas Chalmers. Whether it's the sod trade things, I would imagine maybe stroz a as well him leaving tagged onto to Marion host on track to the Zona coyotes when you look at Chicago, do you say the issue at the hawks has composition or coaching. Because when I watched a, oh, they don't okay as fast as other teams. They're not as fast. I mean, look they were like LA in a way they're loyal to a group of guys that one for them, and I respect loyalty, and they haven't been able to replace what they lost. They lost an absolute horse and hosts they have not been able to replace them sought is not been the same player. And I really do think that one of the reasons the coaching change happened. Jeff is because they wonder. Sod will respond under a different coach. It's clear he in Quenneville did not see eye-to-eye, and I wonder about that. But the debrincat blossomed under coin Ville. Oh, yeah. The Finnish defenseman Henry Cardi like Glenville playing him. He's good. He's playing like the idea that Quenneville doesn't you know, like younger players don't buy that. There's younger players who are thriving. But I think that they lost great players, and they haven't been able to replace them. And it's that simple thoughts on what's next for Joel Quenneville, everyone when I throw at the ask thirty one this morning on Twitter so much of it is is Detroit an option. Philadelphia option is L LA. Everyone wants to know what's next for Joel Quenneville. What's next? I think he'll take some time. I mean, of course, all say that and they'll be hired somewhere tomorrow. But I think he'll take some time. Like the thing is you got to pay him. Right. Like, you have to work out a deal with Chicago to pay them, and you have to pay a market value now market value. Doesn't mean six, but probably means three something. Okay. Florida. Have that issue once upon time trying to hire Dan byles MMA? I don't think Bosma wanted to go there at the end of the day. He asked for a big number. I think you preferred buffalo trying to make the contract, right? I could be one one place where that was a bit of a battle was Columbus in Vancouver when Columbus hired toward Raila. But I don't know exactly what happened there but Columbus ended up paying less. I know Vancouver. Felt that Columbus got a good deal there. So thoughts on you know, it's it's a it's a big ticket. I wonder if he waits this summer does. He wait Seattle. I don't know. It's there and Tippett solar. They he's staying. So maybe, but I think there's going to be a lot this summer. Like, I just wonder Saint Louis is obvious connection. But the St Louis have the money to pay him Anaheim him and Bob Murray. But this Anaheim have the money to pay him. That's my question. Interesting here, we are if I told you three or four years ago that we'd be sitting in NHL, we're both Elaine venue, and Joel Quenneville don't have work. We look at each other like, yeah. Not a chance. But here we are we've arrived at that spot. I love the idea of retiring the stash by the way, throw that up just like Bill, Tori with the bowtie retired of that with the New York Islanders. The podcast is his thirty one thoughts brought to you by the all new two thousand eighteen GMC's. Yeah. I coaching changes. John Stevens was fired on Sunday morning. I mean, you're blind. If you don't teams performing, maybe we needed to change should be made, you know, Findlay. You know, Findlay. The last resort. Really? You know, it happened for everybody. But the end of the day now, we got to look forward. Look ahead snaring points. And this is I mean, we're in the first week of November lot of expectations for this team. So definitely a tough start for them. But there is still time. A lot of people are saying plenty of time to turn things around. It's going to be up to Willie. Now, he's going to fill it as interim head coach for hours for shirt figure. What how the first meetings? Go what I wanted to say, I guess going back. I just talking to rob. It wasn't a really short process. The decision was easy to come here. That wasn't any kind of decision. They were really good to be with the contract you about one year. But that's more than. That's a great. I'm really excited to be here. It's real energy with two good hockey. You know? You know, it's great for supposed. Good place. Okay. So from Chicago, we'll see in the Western Conference in Phil Bassani, Los Angeles Kings exit. John Stevens, inter Willie Darden. And Marco Sturm. Yes, we deal with here. Shock. I mean, I think everybody saw the there was a potential for that coming. I really liked John Stevens is one of the guys I really liked talking to. I think he's really bright think he's really honest guy. There's no BS to him. You know, where you stand, and he always really likes talking about his kids both of whom are potential pros. One of the is. So, you know, I always like talking to John. But you could see it coming. You really could they were struggling, but I think this is part of a bigger philosophical discussion for the LA kings. And that is they are going to change how they play they want a certain way under Daryl John Stevens like that way. But I think they are looking at it and saying we have to do this. But this is not new though like we heard that last year. Well, the. Hockey, central noontime need to get quicker. We can't get we can't wear a slower team. Here comes. I follow your comes. Adrian can't be more room for these types of this is in noon. Well, hold on the one thing did change this year. And as Pierre Turgeon wasn't there here Terzano was there last year's the offense coordinator, and he was there every day. He resigned last year for personal reasons the have him back, and I think that's a reason that they reached out to oats, they want somebody there who is that kind of thinker to be on their staff. The other thing too is same thing we talked about Chicago a lot of their young guys. They have to get going campy. Ten pearson. Nobles this year entering the other game the game the other night and also to fully has not been himself since they won that second Cup. Like those guys they need help. Thou needs help grazie is Carter needs help. He's fighting, but he's slowing down and cope attorneys help. And they're younger players are not giving them hell if play quicker game in a faster game. That's never been COPA tires game. No, that's not. But the one thing we've learned is you look at Paul Stazzone last year with Winnipeg, right? He's not the fastest guy. But if you put them with fast guys knit team that moves the puck quickly, you can make it work. I think that works for the player like David Krejci. Who's a second second center on team where he sort of exists in the vacuum of the bullet. He not the bullet going up the ice. But he's in that vacuum of it. And that's pocket that David Krejci always been able to play in. Yup. I think that works there. But you're looking for your number one. Center can your number one center in the NHL two thousand eighteen be that guy anymore last year. This guy was a hard trophy nominee. So they gotta have something. It's a good debate. I mean, they gotta have something. But I do think this is about the way changing the way they play. I think the other thing that play here, and I didn't hear this from any of the players, but somebody I know did Daryl and John Stevens had a certain personality. And maybe it's time for new personality. Is it too simple to say it's really tough on Sistan coach becomes the head coach because you do have a different personality. It works. So seldomly Robinson who work for and they won the Stanley Cup of New Jersey. But the history of very unique situation percent unique. But the history of coach is becoming head coaches. You talked a lot of these guys, and they'll tell you it is hard because you're the guy you're the assistant. You're the nice guys. Well, here's what the. Today barbecue. By this weekend. And then you become the head coach and players look at you like that's not the guy. He's a different guy. Why is he bag skating me? Why is he scratching me? Why isn't there that you know, that that grandfatherly hug in the understanding anymore guy's my coach? Now, he's mad at me. There have been mad at me before it's tough dynamic, and you have to assume that personalities Ed coach, that's hard. I always see that one assistant coaches takeover. Yes. It's true. And you know, the thing about that too is when I spoke to Monday, he said the same thing to me basically says because Willie had turned down some assistant coaching jobs one in LA like after he got fired in Vancouver that job that appear Turgeon got they asked him about it. And he didn't wanna do it. And I heard there was another job potentially out there. This summer assistant assistant, and he said no wanted to be a head coach. And he said, look if you're the assistant and the head coach gets fired, and you take over you feel brutal. Yeah. So he gambled on himself. And. Specked that. But it's exactly what you're talking about. There is a don't like it because you inherited because some gets fired right next to you. And be right. You go from the players friend. The schooler wanna gets Adam Oates unit couple of seconds, but one pas on Marco Sturm sitting that raised some eyebrows, and the German national team into the NHL Minnie's saying that hate somewhere down the road. This guy could be head coach in the league. So Michael Connell is high up in the kings organization. He made the Joe Thornton deal and Marcos term came back in. And apparently, he is a remains a huge fan of Sturm Glen Murray played with Sturm, and he's he's part of that decision making group with rub lake and Nelson Emerson, and I believe that, you know, Glen Murray put in some good words stern played in LA. But not when Blake was there as a player. So I think there's a lot of connections here. And I do think that what's termed did last year was a bit of an eyebrow raiser with the German team in the Olympics. And he said he wanted to become an assistant coach, and I believe whoever had taken over his coach was going to have to accept Marco Sturm, the kings were going all hell bent on bringing this guy in and he was going to take over he lives in nothing to do. No. He was whoever was taking the job was getting Marco Sturm. It's an interesting thing for dessert. Because if you look at it, he's got Dave Lowry and Bill Ranford who were there. He's got Marco Sturm who was brought in. He's got Adam Oates was not a coach a consultant. But it's very rare head coach comes in. He's got none of these. So it's a little bit different. But there's no question that it's an unusual set up. But the kings is an organization wanted to stern get to then we've had a chance to work with Adam Oates. I know Adam if he's listening to this Adam you are unbelievable every time I need you to attorney call for a piece of news. You never return a call brutal. So when the swelling goes down in the fingers, let's get back to Elliott Friedman. Yeah. But for those that don't know him. I mean, he's worked with a number of NHL help the change their game worked with the Washington Capitals. Of course, the head coach he has been the center of some controversy. Yes. Coaches don't like their players necessarily getting outside help. Yes. Specifically someone that can profoundly changed the way a player plays in a way the way a player thinks about the game. What does Adam Oates bring to Los Angeles Kings? We're gonna say, well, let's talk about some of that stuff. I so the real flash point was Minnesota few years ago. With Ryan Suter and Zach Parise and Suter and Mike Yeo publicly came out and complained about it to Michael Russo who is one of the reporters out there, and it was not at the leading. Then he was to let the Star Tribune. So I call them up. And I said look like this is what this guy saying about you. And what do you have to say for yourself? And you know, we talked about it. You know, I said to him, you know, people think you're coach killer a bit here that you're going out there. And you're doing exactly what you just said, Jeff and teaching them things that are not in the philosophy of the team. And he got mad. I got mad at the call in the you know, there was a pretty nasty exchange between me and him. And you know, finally just say that I'm, you know, this is out there like at some point in time, you're going to have to deal with this. And he finds plays not a chance not a chance not a chance. Remember, the quote, am I trying to still somebody's job? And so I wrote it, and I got a lot. Like when I write thirty thoughts. Sometimes I get a lot of feedback. Sometimes they'll get none. I got a lot of feedback on that coma boats. I had some players who texted me are emailed and said, no good on you for defending him. I just want to get better. And it's team saying that you know, like, I don't care what he says. It's it's a problem. Now, I do know between then and now some coaches, and I believe one of the I was Paul MAURICE in Winnipeg, you know, because has a good foothold in Winnipeg. He's got a bunch of guys. God's safely. He's got Wheeler. He's got bench Surat. I think buffalo in two can't remember I think as a matter of fact, there was a time with eight to twelve of them got together this past summer with oats and LA. So Paul Marie said, and he started creating a dialogue without saying. What are you teaching here, and they started working together on on how it could work? I mean, the fact is that you know, people are gonna have to get used to it. Whether it's del belfry in Toronto. Or there was. Chicago. There was Paul Paul, Vincent. He was a guy really held Brandon Pirie learn to shoot the puck, whether it's oats, whether it's Yari here in Toronto with a bunch of guys like teams have to understand that. I was talking to Gary Roberts book Connor mcdavid on the weekend. And he was just saying that, you know, guys, go out on the ice now, and they just fiddle around with the puck in the summer like the old guys never did that they worked out, and they started skating, August this generation now they want to get out in the ice as soon as possible and fiddle around with the pot to drills and try thing I can recall the way it is talking to goaltenders but three or four years ago and one goalie made the point to me because he had been out at shooters camp in BC as you look now like now, it's like Brian Kessler Curtis. Lazar a couple of other guys he said gonna start to see this more because goaltenders in the offseason here point players, go in workout, get stronger all. The muscle that I've lost throw the I'm getting it back in the summer and I'm going into camp in shape goaltenders in the offseason work on goaltending. And that's where goaltenders caught up in a lot of ways surpass the skill invention. This one is more goals. Get better than goalies have surpassed the shooters, and he said you wash we're starting to see it now shooters going to very specific shooting camps and the gonna get better. Now, you hear things go white a shooting and top grip shod bottom grip. All these types of things he said, you watch within three to four years all these guys are going to have shooting coaches. And you know, what they are. They do all of them yogis, by the way, another guy he taught Andrew cog Leon and a listen a lot of it's tied to economics. There's a real good dime to be made helping elite level athletes. Do anything why should shooting be any different or why should player skills be any difference? None of this should come. As any surprise. I'm of the same mind that you are Elliott. It's something that coaches organizations are going to have. To deal with because this is what these guys do in the off season. They're going to go to skating instructors. And they're shooting instructors and the trainers and say things like am I using the right lie for my position. Am I using the right curve on my stick? Should I be playing more with the puck and my heel or on might whole like you're gonna get that? And that's guy's gonna bring into camp. And you're starting to see it. That's just the reality. It's just like I feel bad for the coaches. I get it. I understand I want this guy in this position on the ice and this scenario, but that's not how he's being taught in the offseason. Well, here was one example of coach who told me where he had a problem. He had one player who was with the skill coach, and he was working on shooting from the half wall. And he wanted on the power play to be on the half wall. And the coach was like note, you're going front of the net. And he said I worked on it all summer. Can you take a look and the coach said fine. You know, what in the exhibition sees? Can you did if you put in the work, we'll take a look exhibition season put him in the half wall? It was just like. Yeah. Shot was improved. But okay. There's a big difference shot score there in the National Hockey League. And he said it was a big problem. You know, finally, he just said, look, I'm the coach and as long as I'm the coach you're going there, and you put it back in front of the net. And eventually it all worked out like the player had some success and everybody was happy. But he said that you know, it was a problem because he's working on this. He wants to do that. So the guy's paying having him do that. But it's still not good enough for what we need. And he said that's where some of the issue comes up the first time I heard about friction with what Adam Oates believed was in Washington. Would he change six? Yes. When he went to the players, and he's still very big on that huge. Yup. Ember talking once and we thought we were talking about. Injuries and concussions, and he was making the point that a lot of it is, you know, stick technology, and where you have your head when you hold the stick. How you come up the ice where your body's at more specifically where your head is. I think he's of the mind putting words in his mouth here from one conversation players up more wants to if you have is thick up fire higher li- that you're not gonna have your head down. And that's gonna there's a direct correlation between a number of times you get hit in the head to where the lie is on your stick. And how you hold your body. That's a profound change to a player who's already in the NHL, and that's a lot. Well, I think what's interesting is somebody told me, I don't know if this is true. But I think it is and on a podcast with what you think is fifty one percent true. Doug, MacLean, always says, not tell you the truth. I'm just telling you what I heard. I don't believe he's good any clients in LA. So all of these guys. Well, that's the thing. Like, I always all going to be new, and you know, when I was talking to the other night, if you're out in the west coast, you know, you don't get a lot of practice time. So that's the biggest challenges anything they're going to change even desert and says much as we want to change we're probably going to be able to tweak it at the beginning. Because we have a lot of practice time. How much can you do when you don't have that option? So that's another big challenge. But the one thing about odes is when he worked at CBC and here with us. I've never worked with somebody. And I've heard a lot of guys taught me a lot. I see why that guy was a hall of Famer what he sees out. There is incredible. The things he sees on the ice are amazing. Like I've been watching hockey now for a long time. And I think I've picked up a lot in terms of how to watch and it's just a reminder of the elite of the elite see things at another level that we don't see. And that's what they want. The new coaching staff with the Los Angeles Kings first game with the victory over the Anaheim, ducks I want to spend too much time with this. But we should address it. And that's Uber situation with the Ottawa Senators. Yeah, you can't not talk about it. My thought on it was it could have been way worse. Yes. Could have been awful life changing. That's what a lot of people said to me like it could have been a lot worse by the end of it. I said, okay. Well, this is gonna this is gonna be uncomfortable for a lot of people. But no one's lives are getting ruined. One's lives are getting wrecked here, but still it must have made life really uncomfortable for that coaching staff, and those players just from the bottom of my heart expressing my. My apologies to to mardi Raymond for for my role. And and for what happened that night, and and. You know, what was said was. Definitely not how we feel about him as a person and and as our coach. You know, we were carried away and and it was unacceptable. And and you know, that's that's really all. I can say about it as a group here. We want apologize somebody Ramon. I think it's he's someone that we really appreciate we love having him around here. He shares his passion for the game every single as always there for us. I want this opportunity to extend my absolutely sincere. Apologies to Marty, Raymond. He's a heck of a person and coach and he did not deserve. What we said. That's all I can say on it right now. Unfortunately, when I sincerely sincerely mean, not on behalf of myself and my teammates. So let's talk about the game now. And as we all know there is a totem pole when it comes to players there's understanding for some and there's disciplined for others be very curious now and again auto all responded in the best possible way by just sticking it to the Jersey Devils the next game. But I'll be very curious to see who ends up other than I might be obvious or might be subtle who ends up getting punished. This one if anyone well, I'll tell you who's going to get punished for it are going to be the reporters if you watch some of their scrums the other night and some guys were telling me today is that they were one word answers to their questions. Like if you look at some of the scrums, apparently, there's yes, no. And that's the questioners from the paper the post media. So they get the brunt of it whether they were involved or not and that happens. I remember one year we were doing playoff series. And there was somebody was upset, and I was the rinkside reporter and somebody was upset about something that was say Haagen, Canada and the tea or it was done. How can it in Canada? And the team didn't glop rate with me for two games. I was like are you serious? And it's all of you like, I'm a big believer. If you're mad at me be mad at me. Don't take it out on somebody else. But I understand that they're angry at the at the paper and. And the thing that really makes it interesting to me as a reporter is that. No reporter put their name on the story. That says to me that the report is like, I don't agree with this. I don't agree with this. And I don't agree with the whole situation. I have made this very clear, I think what that driver did was a gutless terrible thing. I get not angry angry. I would get something like this. I get angry when people say that it's acceptable. Now, you should understand look nobody can be happy all the time. And what are you supposed to do? Just be unhappy in your house like what if you've got like, a Google Alexis in your house, and those things are listening to all the time. Yeah. And they put your conversation, a cloud, and it gets hacked somewhere. Oh, that's okay. You should've known because you're in your house and your around Google, Alexa, that this thing could have gone anywhere that attitude just pisses me off, Jeff we are in a workplace right now. If I blow up at you about my boss right now. Oh, everyone here, and we are physically you and tell you booth rape. I tell you what a terrible boss. Eddie hall is right now or rob Korte. I'm not getting away with that. And I understand that. And I understand that Uber drivers they need those cameras for safety. But that was BS that was total BS. And I think that people who think that that is ok well like when it happens to you. And where it happens to you. Let's see how. Okay. You feel about them because I'm sorry. It's not acceptable to say. Well, you're a star or you're an athlete, and you should be understanding that this can happen. No. I understand that. You're not leader. You're a star. There's more attention. I understand that there are certain places. Like if you're wearing a microphone. Hey, we're around here in the office. Even when we're not on air wearing microphones you have to be smart. You're around your workplace, you have to be smart us citizen. The piece you're used car salesman. Who is fixing the odometers? I got no sympathy for you. But those guys in that situation. That's a joke. That is a joke, and there's real world consequences to it, which is bad into all of our colleagues organise sports sent when we're doing panels with you, and you leave your microphone on please turn them where you go to the washroom. Yes. Please thought of to Leslie Nielsen I thought of this another one the from our shop pulled the Lizzy Neil. And a couple of times. I thought a lot of bookie Boucher and just thinking how close him and Martin Ramon been going back years and as much as you look at the situation tough for mardi remote. And that's tough for those players and going to practice with colleagues with assistant coach of Hiba shake because I'm always concerned that situation how the friends react because that is an association as you. Well know that goes back to McGill with those guys like those two ever goes Ramones. Ramone's phone with. Yup. And for him to hear that. Moved on. You guys are not the same place. We are. The deal with that as ago played laws gate terrific attitude of work for a players coming on heart almost winning against Stanley Cup contender and you saw this morning. Reading through Seattle from players great volume. Great practice, and we're definitely getting ready for tonight focuses on hockey if you asked me personally. Kultura? Choose my words carefully. I don't know who makes the seasons things like that out there. You know, when you purposely. Fook another human being. Spend too much time that especially probably the best you'll be. That's personal. Team. We will. Everything was dressed. We're not where you are guys. Play jersey. I can see Martin Ray Molin being understanding and say, well, it's players steam, whatever they didn't lie there. You know, they, but if I'm Debu Shay. I'm just seething. Well, I I would be too because you always stand up for friends more than self, right? I would say to those guys guys. Okay. You only greatness. That's what I would say. You mean you the team and you will Martin remark greatness? If you got all these problems with Martin Remond and find because they're their penalty kill has been a problem. You have to be great for us. And that's I would say to all those players. I would say all those players you're entitled because everybody their boss. That's fine. But you have to show that you have earned the right to complain. Like that did you know, what do I did about their penalty? Kill the next night against New Jersey. Didn't take a penalty until midway through the third was a distinct someone with a high stick. I was watching mostly Toronto Montreal because that game was applauded at the time. So I was watching Toronto which was still closed and I was watching Montreal good game against Rangers. Good game. Yeah. Beautiful. And then all of a sudden, my Twitter people started tweeting just what we were here for. Go come on. But that's when I realized that killed them both off. But that's what I would do if I was a coach I would say you guys have to be great for me. Now, you have to be great. All right and seen moving along. I thought something you've heard about was of Vancouver and fun meter survey. That was pretty NBA. I'm always trees about rejuvenating fan bases in sticking the thermometer in the fan base and find out what they want and how it affects what you do by way of game operations. I'm really curious. And Chicago went through this and Toronto may still be going through this. How you turn over that next wave of season ticket holder up when it's really expensive. And you've priced people out of the Bill like I went when I was a kid you won't you're a kid eight dollar tickets. And you know, we go through the greens and go sit in the grays every now, and then we were lucky would get a read gold gold center ice. Would you find that under the tree? I love the grays. I love seeing the graves at maple leaf gardens. We the guy that always said Argo smells. Chicken underrated seats gardens blues. Really sat in those. I believe Bryan spears. Dad bronze Brazil, Haagen Canada are of your show his data. I think has seemed to get the blues we've gotten fun meters surveys Hoover. So a meal was just telling me my the Blue Jays do something like this too. So what can I do for the last four years? They pick us let group of soon ticket holders and some people who they know have bought one game tickets, and they send them out a thing about all their entire experience. How was it getting into the game? How are the concessions? How was the food? How was your game experience? You know, one thing that they that I heard they started changing this year was you'd go to commercial break say coming up this week at Rogers place. Here's Drake or something. They've started doing Pederson highlights or more giveaways stuff like that. So basically, it's you know, you grade year you have your fans grade their experience at every game. So I found out that in the four years they've been doing this the game that got the highest score was. Last Friday night Pedersen's five points. Imagine that. Game too seriously. It's funny. How much better the beer tastes and short on the lineups are when Ilyas Pedersen's getting five points tangles in ten games. And that goal last night. It was the it's the Gretzky goal on Vernon. Lines that is bold. And that is brass Pederson up the left wing steps into a slump. Trotted scores. Only pederson. Oh, my word again top shelf on Jimmy Howard. An absolute howitzer knocks lead one nothing. Oh my God. Just when I think this kid has at all showed me, everything and nine games. He goes down the wing on the far side. He's got an open shot at the top of the circles from an impossible angle. Any bulls a slap shot by Jimmy Howard over the glove off the post. Now as many people have pointed out, you know, enjoy it. But the shooting percentage isn't gonna stay like that for medicine, but listen enjoy the fun while it's here, and we're was doing the ice riffing show yesterday with with Jason York, and we're saying name the players, and you can maybe use part of your secondhand namely Mina players, you pay to watch those chronic. There's Crosby there's a veteran, but there's only a handful of guys. Always been a little bit larger than most people. But yes, Pederson is on. That is is there within games already. I see is a Leah's Pettersen. And I know every week we end up talking about them. But why not up to the point about the best game experiences? Five point night by Patterson. You can do all you want by way of window-dressing if the game's not good. Yes, doesn't matter. What you doesn't matter? But this is no slight to game around the NHL. But if it's a dog season dog season. Yeah. And it's funny. The mill mention the Jays do it. The toughest sport I ever covered running. The string was baseball. That's gotta be hard as when you're done in like may you've got every day. It's tough. It's tough for the team. It's tough for a game ops. And it's Lorne the broadcasters. Maybe the rules of change. I don't know. But when I was doing it. It was for seven o'clock MC levels was open at three thirty. Yeah. So it's a long day. It's a long to and you're you see these guys every day. Baseball was always the hard of you had a game. If you had to cover them in September when they were twenty games out of first through now, maybe got some good prospects to call up or maybe your team went on September run or something like Jason Collett GRA. Oh, no, wait a minute. But a lot of times it was just. Speaking of a half to do it. You wrote about it lockout update twenty twenty two. Or should we say twenty twenty look, I'm I'm such cheery person. As you know, I always believe the best is going to happen. We've had reasons not to feel that way. I mean whenever there could be one. There's been one have been some extensions one was Olympics. For example. I do think they are going to try to see if they can get past the reopener, which means that will have no labor until at least twenty twenty two. I do think they're going to try to get past that, and what fear is trying to do right now is to all his players if the league doesn't want to reopen it, and we agree not to reopen it and they both can in September. What do you want? We know what they want. They want the Olympics the Olympics. But at the same time if you look at that situation. Do you also not say if you don't want to reopen it stop complaining about as well? One of time. What with the player is the understand. How it always has to be there. Like, you can't have this system. You can't have linkage escrow. Right. And there's always going to be linkage, and it's fifty fifty now, where's it going? You know, where's it going? Now. One of the things they've talked about internally is could they change the way that hockey related revenue is counted could they change the equation. And that's a big fight. If you want to do that, that's a big fight. So I think what they're going to try to do is. Can they see a way we can do this for another two years? Maybe we agree not to reopen. And then can they start negotiations on a new deal? The Olympic issue to me is always been fascinated because it only affects a handful of players whenever I hear the players want the Olympics. How many players are we talking vacation when he five. Well, that's just it. Right. So let's just be honest about what this is just some want the Olympics and one vacation is always presented as if. Oh, yeah. The players want Olympics only talking about guys here in the big equation, by the way on Olympics. They're gonna make a deal with the correct? And that's not easy. No. What do you need for that to happen? I know that there are some when I say this diplomatically when the Olympics are in certain countries, it's easy to do deals. Well are in other countries. It's not so easy. What I mean? Well, Russia like I have always believed that Russia paid for the players to be there in two thousand fourteen nice working with you. I I can't prove it. But I believe it, right? I believe that. That's the way it worked. I think China's gonna want the HR is there will they pay. But also, some countries will engage and others won't here. Here's the other thing. And this is the question the hockey tournament wasn't as good without the H L players. And I'm not saying that just myself. I've heard a lot of feedback about that that it just wasn't what they hoped it would be. So does the IOC recognize that they need them? They're like Bettman said. In Finland that he repeated all usual stuff about the Olympics. I don't listen to any of that. I think it's just a negotiating tactic to me. So I don't get my heart bent out of shape on that. If the money's there. He'll make the deal. My question is the I look at it and say, we need this to be better a couple things before we get to Kevin be exa dropping by the podcast for that interview. Slava voinov. Yep. Radioactive and I can't see him ever playing in the NHL again agree disagree. Regardless of what happens with his status. Can't see it. I can't see a team doing it. I look at the calendar. Every morning when I leave the house. It's two thousand eighteen I think someone will try you do I do. I can't see it Elliot. I do sell me. I'm not going to sell you on why it should happen. I'm not saying why it should happen. Someone's gonna look at him and say as a player can help us. At what call that's the thing. It's going to these teams look at not just can help us on the ice. But you know, what does this do a hate using terms like this? But it's true. And it's thing what does due to our brand. How did it comes down to that? Because this should come down to ethics and right versus wrong. But when you think in terms of what you have professional sports guys ation, you have a brand. And that's tough to next to that. Yes. I agree. I'm not arguing anything with you. And I would suspect that it's going to be a massive suspension from the league year. At least I think the league would be of the minded wanna suspend him to the point where he can't come back. Well, you're looking at what happened now with Austin Watson? Okay. And this is a different situation. So they spent watching for twenty seven games and the arbitrator took down to eighteen and I think the players association wine, even less, I think they thought they were gonna get down to like ten or twelve so. Got eighteen. So if you're the Commissioner, you're looking at this, and you're saying how long do I want this guy out of the league? Then you have to roads you can go down. You can say, okay, there's my not appeal suspension, and there's my appeal suspension. So does he say if I wanted to spend for at least a year do I suspend them for two knowing that it could get knocked down to year knowing that this to be appeal. I think you'll start to see that with more players the that higher on their suspension during the Mike knock down the generally don't like that. Because they don't like to lose. As a matter of fact, I think that's a very different road than they are used to. They don't like to lose appeals the players association doesn't like to lose appeals. But I think on this issue. There's a change. I agree with you wanna conclude this segment you heard about Paul Zimmerman thirty one z, and I wanna ask you question. Is it true Elliott Freeman you can't do your job without being oppressed? That's what Paul Zimmerman sayings. I couldn't find the exact quote, and I always wanted to be a reporter, Jeff, I love reporting. It's it's my favorite thing. And I wanted to be a parent report. I wanted to write it for sports trade like he did. And when. I was a student at western and Scott fess, Chuck who's gone on to great things was my boss. He always thought I was to soft, and he knew I liked pulse. Zimmerman and he wrote down the quote on a piece of paper, and he gave it to me. And I had it like I had that quote for a long time. And I lost it in the flood at our house. But he basically said you cannot be a great reporter with or takes prick to be a great report. You can't be a great report without being a break. And you know, I I remember that. And there were times that I pushed in did probably went out of my comfort zone a bit. That's what he was trying to do. And that's what it worked. Now. You you and everybody else listening can decide if I'm a prick or not. That's question, Elliott, and your mind or you approach I think some people would answer that question differently than others. I think it changes daily monthly weekly. You know, there was there was somebody has a different relationship with everybody in always changing. There was somebody in the NHL who told me, you know, when you text me except around Christmas because I know you wish everybody merry Christmas. But he says when. When you text me, and it's not around Christmas. I don't like it. Like, you're gonna ask me something that's going to stabilize my team. And I think I've told this story before but one of the executives in the league's Jim anymore. But one of these along with the best he told me is I hate it. When I talk to about my team because I'm worried you're going to do something or I'm worried you've got some information is going to destabilize my team. Like, I know there are guys who legitimately eight, Mike. I mean, what are you gonna do? You. Gotta do the job properly right in front of job is hitting breaking coming back with Kevin be exa how should we introduce Kevin when he comes out with say he's not use without a team right now. But he's not retired. He's introduce him as the man who said he's still in better shape than ninety five percent of the players. One hundred percent of the media. God bingo. We're back in a moment. GMC? Sierra Denali set a higher standard in a full-size pickup for purposeful technology and performance features. Like apple carplay keeps you connected to what matters most and an available four hundred twenty horsepower six point two liter engine gives you the power to take on any challenge lead the way like a pro with the GMC Sierra Denali. GMC? We are professional grade. What they're doing. If we can keep him to shots every we're gonna really good chance of winning really good. It's means at six shots for the game like our chances. So we'll keep going the same way. Oh, keep putting on that. And it's it's a patient game. We don't have to force anything right now. What's the one thing? More than anything else. You need in the third. If you're pose this out, Shawn Shawn Shawn Shawn Shawn Shawn. Shawn rish wanted front that deflects pearls. Oh, jeez. Okay. I will introduce Kevin be said the way you would like me to introduce Kevin be X, ladies and gentlemen. Please. Welcome to thirty thoughts the podcast someone who is in better shape than ninety nine point nine percent of all media. And that includes me and Elliott's Kevin be exa that's almost guarantee. I think that's a long of the week. Say wait a sec. It's one hundred ninety nine point nine I figured for. Sure. That was a layup. You just never know. There could be some specimen out there that I don't even know about writing blogs, and I leave it open to that one person. Maybe but most likely not weave canvas you're right considering you are right is your secret to reform cucumber seeds. That's an old one. Actually, I I may or may not I may or may not have talked to teammate of your way to the office today. So I thought that infamous. That infamous probably like ten years ago, and the mindset of there's there's something in cucumber see that expand in your muscles. So whether or not that was true or not I that for for years and years ears. But I think against better judgment. I came back to me about. So I don't know if there's any signs that actually supports that. But it's a pretty cool soccer. That's true. Isn't it? It's a great thing to say what whether you know, the one thing in our industry, which I've always maintained an I learned very early is if you're not sure of something say it loud. So confidently lovely. Yes. So to that Kevin I say to thumbs up Ditto cucumber seeds. That's the the new secret for from us. You don't eat creating anymore. Folks. You just think you cover seeds cucumber sued. You heard it here. First. Crop. So how many times did you tell a workout fact to someone who was honestly looking for something to get better? And you threw them some placebo like that it happened once in a while, sit and. I think people you just my word for it. And then questioned me too much. I think I maybe took that and ran was it a little bit. And maybe over us confidence and told them a couple of white lies. Just maybe nothing other than my entertainment and just kinda see how how closely they would follow it. I mean, I think you guys all know that I like the vassal people just for my own amusement, other people's views, my soul, there was probably some of that going on over the course of micro. So who is the Mark then like who would be the guy that you would do that too? Why do anybody everybody and anybody assistant coaches players young guys old guy someone else? Joan teammates fed up Amanda, Matic brain and by Kevin. L product the reason we did it is because he thought that he's on. I'm really good at. Algebra. There's one guy in particular Clayton store when I came to the ducks he always called me on everything, and he was just such a skeptic. And he was even know that. I don't even know that not true. How do you know that a lot of facts there? And most of them are true. And I do my research, and I read and I like to research things. So a lot of them are true. But this guy didn't believe a word I set ever. So I don't know because like that shit eating grin on my face. When I set it or why does this is too much information coming up people? But most people would like would listen they'd be attentive. And he would always be like that bullshit. No, that's true. So I don't know you have to ask him. Why you never believe me? So then on the add complete loggerheads to that. Then who's the guy that believed everything you said Kevin bought every little last drop of what you're selling boroughs. Probably believed everything I said for the most part, and I think cast it as well too. I think he started to question things the more outrageous. They got but I think those two guys usually took me face value, which is good city. Listen to everything I said to whether or not they're going to each other and Swedish. This guy's an idiot. They looked genuinely interested in a lot of the little. A little fun socks here. There little little things that most people wouldn't think of so nothing super important. You don't Kevin you mentioned some teammates there. So when you guys were at your apex, you know, two thousand nine two thousand ten two thousand eleven the one thing that a friend of mine who lived in Vancouver told me was you have to live in Vancouver to understand how we feel about this team. Like everybody else could hate them. We don't care we love this group. They represent us. They don't care who likes them. And also they could tell that you guys would run through walls for each other. And what was that group of guys like because there were a lot of really different personalities. It was a really fun group that that'd be a part of. And I think now that no I'm at the end of my career, and you look back those are some special special years right there. And you you look at you know, other teams, you know, cicadas had a pretty good run with their core. Guys LA had their time before with their core. Guys. We had a really good run there for one the president filthy back to back years competing in the playoffs. You know, before we made it to the finals we lost in the second round tonight yours to Chicago through them. We would've went right to the finals too. So we had a super competitive team. We all kind of came together, you know, Kessler rose the city ins along came in, you know, Willie Mitchell, Dan AMI's came in. I mean, most of us came up. Get Cory Snyder at ler Hanson, we all came up through the same system, and we basically rebuilt the team from scratch because they had a pretty good core. When I first got there with Naasi Vertucci. Oland jovan. Ski Morrison those guys they kinda were on their last legs out the door. And then here we come in young core. And we built from the ground up, and we work hard each other. And we loved it. And we're a close group and city was soul passionate so supportive. I mean, it was a great time to be. And did you feel it? What Elliott's talking about that. There was that. It's us against everybody else. Toronto has a thing. Toronto versus everybody. But the Vancouver can very much did have that. Like it was Vancouver Canucks think Hoover connects fans versus every other market period. Well, you know, what to be honest with you that that's only came about during the Stanley Cup playoffs on. But we lost Jim. So that's kind of when I think there was a poll in the media. Who's the who what team don't you want? What do you? What do you want to win the least? And I think it was an overwhelming majority that it was our team that year. So you're not like we became a hated team. But at the end of the day, who cares right um, San polled who likes your who doesn't. But I never really felt like, you know, everybody was against us kind of thing. Or maybe I just didn't care about it. I was too. But. But that one run we had a couple, and I don't wanna like twenty people out. The couple incidences where those, you know, diving fighting fingers a little narrows there that bait teams not really not like us and then a couple analysts that were players would say things on the air. And then it just kind of snowballed from there. But, you know, set aside those few incidences I think we had a lot of guys that you appreciate their games. Played hard Raffi Torres play hard has played Harz boroughs. Whatever you wanna save these guys they all play hard and they wanted to win more than anything. So I wouldn't say it affected us a whole lot. I've always said this. The don't hate you if your irrelevant. They only hate you. If you're good. Yeah. That's that's something. You would say that's kind of seems like it's a phrase that will come out of your mouth. I don't know if that's a compliment or not. Pause hesitation dramatic effect. Or you could just say dogs. Don't bark at park cars. Maybe an easy to to get at it. I can recall you title, you know, growing up all those Vancouver Canucks players, and you mentioned Alex Burrows great example of something came up from the east coast Hockey League to Manitoba into the Vancouver connection. I can I think a lot of us can recall lockout year to four zero five you come out of bowling green. You've worn a cage for four years playing bowling green. You come out you joined Manitoba and you start destroying guys in the American Hockey League regularly. There was once a time in the NHL when the toughest guys came out of college Paul homegrown, Chris Nyland and Paul Stewart and George McPhee bowling green can fight there. That's the thing. Like Kevin where did that come from? I mean, it used to be thing in the NHL. When all those American cats had to fight everybody. Where do they come from for you? What I didn't know why was such a surprise. Because I said I had a quote a long time ago that there's no fighting in college hockey, but as fighting. In college. So just because there's there's no there's no on the eye. Doesn't mean we're not like everybody else. We're not fighting bouncers in the parking lot. You know, not that I want to really get that cost. Like, it's not a great example. But I I grew up with two brothers. We wrestled we like our favorite thing was WWF back. Then we wrestled every day we followed each other. I wouldn't say it was ever really serious. My brothers. I, but we roughly other up and then when I played I played tier two junior. I got drafted HLA went to era I fought four times and three days, you know, on Carey's team back. Then I wasn't hearing your I was fighting the ten time of the year. It's not like I hadn't been any hockey fights before the son of a steelworker an employee of fight. So I think people just expected if you go to college route you're certain personality type of player, but no I went to college because of this Martin they do, and I wouldn't change anything. But I didn't I didn't like fighting back. I actually really enjoy fighting. I think I've proven that over the years did the thing that I thought about you. We can have two weeks ago. When I watched Matheson, take Pederson hard into the boards and remember saying to myself playing on the Vancouver Canucks something happens right away. And it didn't. And I it sort of begs the question because you did it for you not one player, but but to Henrik and Daniel when they are on the ice our players scared of suspensions in your estimate. I don't know. That's an individual. I don't think. So I think it's the opposite. I don't think players are scared of finder suspensions at all. I never was all this from my own experience. I could care less about suspensions or a fine when you're making billions and billions of dollars a year you care, if you're you're fine two thousand dollars. I mean, only got what is bro because he's so cheap. But mostly you're thinking about you're getting a paycheck for hundred thousand dollars every two weeks. You really care if it's shied three thousand dollars because you, you know, spirit somebody or you hit somebody from behind the answer's no, you don't care at all. I mean, I just don't know. Like the physicality I watched the ducks kings game last night from start to finish. I think the first full game. I've lost the season. And it's there's just not the fifth ball element of there. Once was the games changed really quickly. And a lot of teams are playing these four young and skill incised. And I mean, I still think there's a place in the game for the physical. Fourth liners, the guys keep people on this because there's going to be more and more of these cheap shots, if there's no retribution for it. So I know the situation whatever, I I have my opinion on it. I think I I didn't watch the game. I didn't know where it was in the time of the game. If there was opportunity should at the very least bene- threat, and I used to threaten guys all the time. I don't all take an instigator on you. I don't care all pay the fine. But I'm gonna take an instigator on you. I'm break through knows you're gonna have a broken nose but end of those game one way or another. So sometimes that's just good. Not that goes, a long way just to show that you can't go around drilling guys from behind better Swedish and Yang and there's gonna be some sort of a consequence. And then from his side if he wants to play that way and do that great. I'm all I played like for fifteen years by when somebody comes next time, they play anchor and Branson steps up to them. Our Sally somebody says, hey time ago. He'd better fight. You better fight whoever asks him, and he'd better show up and then all all. For it. Go ahead. Go ahead is all the way you want any telephone you. It's dirty. If not you better be ready to fight somebody the next game. And then you can play their game. It might been. How many times did you say that your career? Would you say what that I'm gonna take an instigator on you? Yeah. Lots. I would say, and I mean, the the honest guys and the guys that would fight their own battles. Never even have to say it used to be like, okay, we're gonna have to we're gonna have to settle up last one. You know, we're not to settle for that cheap shot on Henrik. And most of the guys that'd be like. Yeah. Okay. Good. Let's go. But the guys that you know, probably aren't going to back it up. Those are the guys that have to have to be threatened. And then you know, what they won't do whatever again. So you get a couple of threats here, and there I mean, I are we supposed to be talking about stuff like this on one side wrong with that we like honesty, it's just a policing in the game. And the game was in the game. And it just eliminates that the big incidences and the really dirty plays by keeping guys on. If you're going to be a guy that doesn't. Really wanna fight. Then both stick on stick. Use your feet when you're defending stick on if your act plaid, and you don't really wanna fight me. Then don't cross check him in the ribs. When he's going the boars just stick on stick. You know, these physical between the whistles, but be clean. But if you're going to cross check a guy in the ribs on he comes back, and you want to fight every ready to fight or you're going to take a punch to the face. When you're not ready. Did you see Lucci steel night? I just watched it before this morning. My son told me Lucci stat. So I kind of watch video this morning. So he's got a hearing. And by the time this comes out, they'll probably know one way or the other. But that's kind of what you're saying. Is that he felt that Chris Russell was taken advantage of. And he went after this young player and the moment I saw it last night. I my reaction Kevin was going to be this is not going to go over. Well, and it's interesting Kevin. Because a lot of me is like if I do something to someone I expect that someone's going to come. Back at me. It's exactly what you're saying. But I think that the general public now doesn't have the stomach for that anymore. Whether it's concussions or the lawsuit or whatever it is people don't have the stomach for that anymore and the day has changed. Yeah. That may be true. But I mean, how many concussions happen from fighting very few. It's it's the dirty hits. I think the majority of them. I mean, the one thing I'll say about the things the Leech thing when I signed. I didn't see what happened. I think you said he hit Russell or something really the game. I think somebody else on the team has to go after that. 'cause who did he go after Joseph Joseph young guy. What is he is? He he's young guy. Very key probably doesn't fight. So I mean Lucci just probably toughest guy in the league. So yeah, he probably shouldn't be the one one after. I mean, if it was somebody bigger and tough on Tampa, which I don't have anybody Lucia h he's just to collapse that that's just the way it is. So maybe if somebody else on their team, I don't know who like their team out well one of their third or fourth line younger guys goes after challenges until maybe the guy will fight back. And if not then you know, you a little bit. Talk for that guy. That's why it's not going to go over well which team Kevin may be which player did you like playing against the most that you would really get up for you. I can't wait to play this team. And I can't wait to play this guy. Probably a good line and back in the day Gabric when he was with Minnesota really name that would've jumped out I would've expected Gabric people don't remember he was dominant on the day. He was they know any through a lot. A lot of injuries and everything he was the fastest guy in the league at one point dominant player. He was straight line. Just chip about you beat you on a race gonna break Wayne score when he was in Minnesota. And I think in each with them there. We played them probably six or seven times a year, and they always had are protecting them. And I was up for those. But again, like every time I played again lie was usually not up against him. And he was just such a good. I just loved playing guys that powerful or Donald right to the end. You know, if you can try them down, you're probably gonna win the game. Those are probably I really look forward to plan. Have you watched Pederson? I've seen sidelights of them more than anything. I haven't really watched him throughout the course of a game. But looks pretty impressive. Some of the goals. Scoring are nice Vancouver. People are all agog over that guy. Right now pretty excited. Every game. They're going bananas. He's scored a slapshot goal last night. And they cannot team handle tweeted out the Gretzky goal from Mike von and there's a comparison. I thought that was a really ballsy move. Oh, yeah. The thing is anchor media loves that build a guy out really quick. And then they also love just bring a guy down just as fast. So I hope this poor kid the help they just seems like a really good player as I've standing he's been season fantastic. So far, Kevin you mentioned a second. He watched the Anaheim LA game. And that was you know, in this in this capacity, watches, many games as you can. And you stay up late. You gotta watch the west coasters as well. And whenever Anaheim in LA got together. Those were the best games in the NHL for a number of years when you were involved in them from the Anaheim point of view, those were ones that took a little longer if you catch my drift. But those were always the most entertaining games on the schedule. What was it like from from your point of view to play in those games against the kings? You know, still and my wife ideal I have family in town. Right now. And you know, they're used to watching me play every you know, every other night and staying up late. It's part of their lives the last fifteen years and we sit down and watch the ducks game game tight beginning to end. And it's the first time I guess that we've done that for the first time since this year start of the season started. I thought while these games, I really miss like, I love the part of this this stocks kings rivalry because then before I came to Anaheim, honestly, didn't really know much care much about it at my own rivalries. Chicago, Boston, calorie whatever this is. This is a really good Riber. I I wouldn't say the game last night was super indicative of that. It was a very tame. And there wasn't a lot of physicality and it was kind of a boring game. But the last three years have been tremendous games teams were competitive top vision super physical. It was like a playoff game every time. He played these guys. I love I love those. They were there was fights over like the late icing calls. It was. Competitive and you got Perry. Fall click got everyone trying to get him. He got Kessler doing his thing. And you got, you know, Jared Boll and his own thing with somebody like it's just there was so it's just you just wanted to pound a guy through the through the glass, and you know, what most people don't really know this. We ran into LA the players allot on the role of because we have a similar schedule. If people don't know that where we play a lot of the same teams like the night after on the road, especially the goalie. So we actually had some situations where we would hang out with these guys afterwards. And we were like we all respected each other soul much. I think we see them at the have a beer with at the bar taught. We had rookie party side by side the one year, and then we go on the ice. And we just try to kill each other. It was just a great. So who is the guy Kevin on the kings? That you said man, you are the biggest idiot I've ever met on the ice but off of it. I actually really don't mind you there was that one guy that used to play their razor. Remember that all razor? Oh, eight about guy. Hey that guy and I never really saw off the ice. And Brad Richardson was also a guy who played on that those teams back then I don't know if he played when they won the first Cup, and I hated him and then ended up playing for the Vancouver. He's unbelievable guy. That's usually the way it goes. How how do I still call them with fate? I know you believe me there's nothing you're saying here that nobody would hear face to face. I know that how do Kessler in Perry. Mix on that team. How did they mix? I I wasn't. Remember, I wasn't hearing knowing canes team I came here later, and they were they were good friends by that they live in the same neighborhood. Now, I'm not the same thing. Like Perry's a guy that I listed years and didn't really like playing against probably Osma fight a hundred times. And then I come to the team, and he's like one of my favorite is. He's just like like not what you'd expect like super quiet keeps himself. It just such a good guy. I just I didn't think I'd like him as much as I did how does your family like having a home more? Well, they say they love it. I will wait my says, it's a lot easier for her. And she, and I said let me know if it if it gets too much, and if I'm around too much about need all drive up the coast by myself and my golf clubs and I'll disappear for five six days. Not at that point. I'm busy enough where I've had a couple of trips. I'm not around all the time. But it's been good. And I know a lot of people worry about retirement hip, and there's a lot it's hard for people transition. I mean, I'm I'm still early into it. And I'm not fully retired yet. But I'm enjoying it. I think it's great. Having a really good family helps in a good life for sure. But so far like, I'm I'm enjoying it. I I've had conversations with teams, and I don't think I'd leave us right now and just having so much on on home coaching golfing some races. Like, you mentioned taking some courses. It's just as a lot of fun out that hockey team hockey was great. And I miss a lot. Is there something that maybe the the right answer to it? And it's can be legitimate is I don't know. And that's totally fine. Is there something you want to be doing right now? You know, what I've been asked to vote for him setting them up with a podcast. So. Yeah. Is there something you want to be doing right now? Opportunities things get involved in. I just I don't wanna do yet. And I remember when when Trevor Linden retired. I think he took one to two years completely off where he traveled he went on vacations and. And and traveled in the winter, which he never did. And then he got into development a little bit. And then he went from project to project. I don't want. Exactly. But I definitely want to take time off rushing new commitment right now because you only have so much time. For you know, short time, there's going to be definitely listening and keeping my eyes open. But I don't wanna do anything with the big commitment. I wanna be wouldn't be right now, you mentioned you Trevor Lynn that is good for you. You mentioned traveling in a second ago. And I remember talking to him after he retired sometime after he retired. And I said, what was the moment where you really realize that you were done because when when an event happens in I'm retired doesn't hit you all of a sudden. And he said it didn't hit me until I was in the dentist chair. And I was getting my teeth fixed. Because there's no point when you're playing go and get your teeth. They said that was the moment where it really sunk in that. I'm not going back. Have you had that experience yet? You had a moment. We said, wow. This is really it for me. No. I haven't had that yet. And I'm okay with it. I I was in the dentist chair yesterday. And I didn't feel that way. So. Honestly in the dentist chair yesterday getting my teeth fix and didn't feel anything like that. I mean, I don't I don't I don't need that. And I haven't announced my retirement next. I don't even know. Like, right. I'm not gonna throw something out there. And then change my mind later like some guys sometimes I don't have to label. What I'm doing right now. Like, you know, I'm in great great shape. I just maybe just take the whole year off and play next year knows right? You wanna leave everything out there? So I haven't categorized. What I'm doing right now. I'm kind of in Burton, Tori. But I haven't had that moment. No, okay. So with a nod to the fact that you may wanna come back next year. And I I would love to see that. I think it would be great to watch. But you know, the the connective announced they're going to retire the numbers next season as part of the fiftieth anniversary, and the one thing I do believe is that team. Whether the numbers are retired like the deans will be or you get put on the ring of honor. Like, I hope when it's all done like boroughs Kessler. Yourself the twins obviously, a land vino like all the guys who were there for that. The key guys. I think you guys should all get honored in some way. Would that be important to you to have your name up there? I don't think it would be super important for that to happen. But if it did I obviously would be super appreciative and and humble diet. Like though that was like like we talked about I was great time in history. And I love the city I still love the city of anchor. I still think the city is going to be my future at some point. I'm going to be living there, again, not sure what's going to what the future holds what's gonna happen. But that was a good stretch run. And knows time time will tell I mean, the city and have to be honored right away. I think in my opinion immediately for their contributions are just two special people. And and people people seem to think that the the city at an easy pop feel like people saying that it was always good times for them. And when I first got there, it was not good times. At all. The media was all over them. The city was all over them. There were signing warm up that weren't very nice. And these guys are two of the mentally strongest people. You'll ever meet and on top of that just great great human everyone. I mean, I'm not saying anything that people don't know like, but they really are great humans. They really are all the ups and downs that go on throughout the season and all the negative stuff. And the you know, the bad plays at happen. And the team these guys I can never say one bad thing. One bad thing about not not one time that they retained me on me or bug me. Did I hear him talking trash about not one time and their whole career? And I don't think I could say that about anybody else. But not even close anybody else that ever played with so to special people that should be honored right away. And then whatever else happens after that. On the scoreboard here in Vancouver. Ten years ten years of his professional career spent with the connects. He gets a rousing standing ovation from the crowd for him. I know it's an emotional return to Vancouver for him. He get the luxury of being able to talk the rank defensive treat the x a little bit differently than they treated Ryan kesler. But big part of the connects very involved in the community here, very popular with teammates nearly six hundred games with the connects. With this question when you look back not trying to wrap if your career here. But when you look back on what you've done so far. What did you take? The most frightening are kind of kind of trying to respect the fact that you're not making an official decision yet at the same time. Media guys a little bit of slack. When you look back up what you've done so far. What do you take the most pride in? What do I take the most? And actually, I think I know an answer this question. I I'm not gonna name so it talking to somebody other day, and or wise were also talking and she was saying to my wife, whatever we came up the other day and amongst the girls, and everyone just misses you so much in love, you know, what you guys are still around kind of thing. And she's like, I should feel good because you guys have done things right way, your whole career and everybody misses you nothing but a positive impression on the hockey world. And I think maybe that's the thing. I would you know, appreciate that publish the most is I think I was always a great teammate to everybody that I played with whether it was the star players the young guys the call ups the fourth line siders treated everyone. Well, and I made a lot of great relationships and. And I'm probably proud about the most great awesome. That's listen. Kevin first of all we look forward to the new Kevin Biak cucumber seeds podcast be dropping relatively soon. And listen, thanks so much best of luck in whatever. You choose to do. Nice. Okay. Block is my pleasure. Thank you. Kevin. I really liked the fire said that sounds like something you would say I really enjoy. I loved it was good. It was. Pas the gravity of the moment to sink in with a good pause. Looking stream over five hundred NHL games. Blackout free sports net. 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I'm saying when it is over for Kevin Biak say it is when is it officially it's officially over. He can do kind of what he wants the industry is dying for more guys like that stay what's on their mind present. Now have fun now. I talked a lot last year. Bo how much I love interviews between Patrick maroon and gene Principe when maroon was an oiler I had the same amount. If not maybe even more love for Kevin be accident Murphy together as a battery of interviewer and interviewee every little walk off was good. Every interaction was fun. Was entertaining. Two points is all the most important thing especially game like this. When you couple of two leasing. Yeah. I think you know, let's look at the positives for once we scored five goals. It's pretty good for us. We haven't scored many goals lately. So generate some offense we got a couple of ugly greasy goals and obviously a couple of couple goals against a couple top bounces. I think, but we know we got the two points, and we need to point. The greasy goals. You guys talked about meeting some puck luck as well. You think a game like this can help the other the other guys goals are Tracy mine were some pretty what's the question, though, turn things around perhaps. Well, I hope so I think it's just one of those things where it's it's contagious snowballs when nobody scoring and you know, you're scoring one goal the game. And everyone's grip in the sick. And the other goalies are set on their heads. It kind of gets into your head think we put a nice effort into night, hopefully, it snowballs contagious exit with a couple of goals winning overtime. Let's go upstairs to John. Sweater flirting everytime. Everytime action. Dan murphy. Built for it. Yes. He is. Now, I always believe that people wanted people to say things honestly to a certain point because we always complain that people don't speak freely. And then we these say something like me rip them. But I think we're finally moving a little bit away from that. I hope the the one thing he'll say there that will certainly an even he said, should we be talking about this on pretty thoughts was the whole Lucci thing. I think that is one of the real interesting things facing hockey as a whole. So last Saturday night Duncan Keith gets thrown out of the game for that heat undo bay. And I didn't think Duncan Keith should be thrown out. But the referee's got to make that call super fast. There's no replay in Nick said, I I don't think that should happen. In killing is position was it's changed. Now. You know, what Lucci did to Joseph Matthew Joseph b exit ten fifteen years ago. Ago. Not even that was okay. And now, I think that's a big issue. Like a lot of people look at that and say, that's not okay anymore. But I still think there's a group of people, especially former players look at it. Like, if you do that, we liked the fact that you would pay in your own way. Handful of guys is still do that though we talked a lot about Tom Wilson cycle. I mean Lucci. But the point is that a lot of people find that acceptable who played. Yeah. Or are a little bit older. So they're at the tail ends of the career transition. They still think that that is what hockey is our people our age, right? Like, Jeff you, and I both understand that if I obviously played a high level. But like if you cross check someone you could get a shot back now, that's not necessarily acceptable one punishment does not fit that crime. And that the difference between now and. And then yes. But there is that to your point that older demographic. And then I still maintain there's still some of the younger demo still thinks that that's fine. And like that that gets I think it's less because going up ever understood. Oh, if you're going to do to someone you're going to have to stand up and face it when I was a kid on the playground. I remember the first time I got punched in the face because I was I was asking for and, but now, you know, it's different times are different now. Interesting interview with with Kevin and he was fantastic. All right. Let's do some ask thirty one here to wrap up the old podcast. This one comes from Brody. What do you believe the problem between Todd McLellan, and yes, he pull your v is why you can't get first line minutes when the others are quite weak at right wing and eat a hard right hand shot on PP one. Hashtag ask thirty one coaches want to win. And you look at time McClellan the heat was on him at the beginning of the year this year. Something fierce, do you think he's sitting pull Yar if he things pull you are you can help them win. No. And here's further fuel to that. He's working allow with Manny vivre. More so than Todd McLellan whenever I see a situation that I wonder to myself has Todd we all have preconceived notions about players in different situations. And I look at that. And I say to myself is that Todd McLellan saying, I don't know what to here with this player. He's not fitting Manny can you get through to him. Yes. I wonder if he was close he's a couple of days ago to getting sent to Bakersfield, he's not playing. That's the end of the world. That's what I'm saying. I don't think it's the end of the world going play. If there's not a spot few next to Leon dry settled not a spot next to con- mcdavid Foy. There's nothing wrong with going to Bakersfield and playing when I look at at play RV. Now, we say myself. So what is he like what kind of player is? He's not a blazing foot speed guy. His shot is still it's like a nineteen seventies long drag kinda shot like, I don't know what type of player he is. Like, I don't know who he is. And you might translate while he hasn't been given a long enough stretching. He's third year. Pro like, I don't know who he is. And I don't know what he's going to become they still see a lot of. Well, I don't like the skating, and I still haven't seen the shot evolve. Into what a shot it's supposed to be in two thousand eighteen who is this guy. And then I think to myself this is me thinking this time Cohen thinking, and maybe more importantly, Wisconsin mcdavid thinking, what's the dry sidled thinking? So might not just be about to brody's question might not just be taught. No, I think that guys wanna win and they'll put guys out there who they think will help them win. And for whatever reason Todd McCullough doesn't think this guy's capable of getting him to win. From Bishop is there a coach more important who his team than very trots? This year. Maybe not when I did that big Vars piece. One of the players told actually two of them told me they thought the season was going to be a disaster. They really did. They thought the organization would have a hangover losing virus. And it was just going to be a nightmare. And they both said that they realise that lamb Lello trots. They had a plan. They're gonna come in. This is how we're going to do things and every day was shaped awards this as how we're going to do things and they realized they had hoped now. I know you're a PD guy. And I'm a PD oh guy. And I guess right now, the analytics guys will say it's still might be a long season by the still like I mean, the thing is you got ride it while you can. And the thing that really impressed me about wise that these islanders guys would mid they thought this year was gonna stink. They had a positive attitude after training camp. They believed in what these guys were selling them and so much about. It is can you sell ice the eskimo? Can you do that? And looks as if they have convinced these guys that there's reason to believe to me, the lenders are the opposite of the era Zona coyotes, Arizona coyotes this year, we're doing everything right? You look at all the underlying outside of take thing and putting it over the red line did everything. Right. And they couldn't score. They couldn't score five on five. They couldn't score power of the couldn't score. And now they just lost Philadelphia Flyers and their home stand. But when it turned around it really turned around, and you can make the argument they might be the best team in the Pacific. That's how good Arizona's been hundreds of kind of the opposite. That all the underlying numbers, look awful and completely unsustainable. Yet have a look at the top of the metropolitan on right it while you can enjoy it while it's there Vegas had a full season last year. Like that there's been tons of Minnesota all Arado did. In the lockout shortened from van prospects. How much does a player being thought of as injury prone affect their trade value? If x it a lot because in the salary cap era, one of the things that people talk about is if you're gonna give a long-term deal number one. Are they critical your team and number two? Do you know that they can stay healthy because if you give somebody a term deal in the cap system, and they can't stay healthy, you can really screw up your sys- situation. So I do think that injuries absolutely matter. Here's an interesting one from Michael own guys. When do we see a multi positional player into the league like Otani in baseball an elite goaltender moons light moonlights as an elite defense her forward is this even possible at the NHL level. Let me help you with that. When you about. Goalies. No. That's a great question. Actually, I like that question. But what maybe not like a goaltender skater? But I think the day of more position less hockey is going to come. Thank you. How will your kids you wanted to say like a hockey dad or like a human being a human being eight and six? Okay. Yes. That's right. And so their ages how much position was hockey to your guys play my six year old more because he plays half ice. Yes. But the eight year old plays AAA plan the full flooring. Okay. But I do think this is coming where more Monir hockey coaches are going to start to teach that of course. Yes. And I do think it might not be in this generation. But the next generation of player will turn out more position less players. And you see it now once upon a time, you know, it's not, you know, the center in I on the four check. It's the F one way to position is if you're the first one on the parking right wing, or it's on the left side. Guess what you're the F one. Yeah. I'm with you. I think they'll be positions you line up as for a draw. And then when the puck drops is no more position, no more position. But what you don't have. But I wonder if now Ford trophies hard like what's the defense? Well, that's the least of my concern. But you know, for example, I do think you're gonna see kids who are hybrid forwards defencemen. He can put them out there to play forward. And they'll have the skills to be able to play d I do think that day is coming right Kelly. Yeah. That's that. It's okay. Greg my Connie Mak reference. It's really hip to the kids. I know you like my red killing three went from the late fifties sixties, eight Stanley Cups. Here's an interesting one. And the answer is no. But I just wanna throw it out there for sake of exercising rains, Dave, Charlotte. Kid, we open or shillue could we see a time when players negotiate for a percentage of cap instead of hard dollar numbers. For example, could Matthews asked for eighteen percent of the cap for eight years. This would keep star players always paid as star players. It's a great question right now. It's not no. I wonder if in the future, they would consider that great brainy bubblegum though, right? I would love that. If I was a team in probably not so much Stephen Bannister. Hey, Jeff, Elliot to ref contracts ever get openly discussed curious would refs who manage to be selected to officiate the Stanley Cup. Final getaway bump they all make extra money in the playoffs. During one of the CBA's. I was told about what the contracts were one of the things they told me was there is a salary scale for referees and linesmen, and it was good money like top referees were making. I think a couple hundred thousand dollars a year, maybe a bit more. There was also about who got to fly first class or not I care if everyone date or was just over a certain amount of distance. That was a big issue. I remember one year they were telling me they were all fighting over you guys still have reporters we fight about that too. And then there's the extra money for certain assignments. Absolutely. But yes, there was a salary scale. It doesn't get publicized. But there was one. I do remember in basketball. They got an it was because they all got nailed for it or bunch of them. Did they all got first class travel? And there were some of them who would go to the counter they would say I don't need to fly first class. So they would downsize for an economy ticket and they would pocket the difference. And but yet the Claire that and the IRS bunch of them got caught dried and some of them got house arrest and. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Easy. Now, I are tax evasion now. And I remember there was one referee was the toughest referee in the NBA. If you ever if Steve javale ever showed up you knew you were not to act up because he took no crap. And he was the one guy who went in and he faced the IRS court, and he beat them. Wow. NBA Mark Carvalo. It says finish up on this one. I've never been a make the NHL exactly like the NBA kind of person. But do you see a time when the allow music during play I mean, wouldn't that be a nice home ice advantage? Having the intervening guy tried to distract the road team or pump up the home team during play you know, what a big cross fan. I go LA as many lacrosse games as possible. Love the NFL and they play music while the game Science Fantastic. Love it. I can't remember if this changed but back when I covered it. You're only allowed to play when the visiting team had the ball. I sort of the homes even had the ball. Excuse me, the home team had the ball. I think that chain. Changed? You know? I have no problem with the in game experience doing that. Like, I I really don't if you think it rows up your fans, I'm all for that was really interesting listening to Jason spats. And when he was talking about the late Ray Emory last week, and he was talking about how AMR would have been perfect for the league now. Yeah. And I think we're going there like we are finally taking the shackles off the players, and I think all this stuff is possible in the future. Amen. Preach on on that wrap up one. Thank heaven be exa for stopping by the podcast today. 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Sept. 27, 2018: The Dallas Edition
You only feel bad because you work with you. Flawless broadcaster. Let's right. And the up to the standard that Elliott nicest. All right. Elliot. Just going over my notes here. Plenty to get to on this week's edition of thirty one thoughts. The podcast we should probably talk about it really nice piece. The you did talking about the ownership group of the Ottawa Senators and their counterparts with his hand, Jose, Sharks, and helping to facilitate the air Carlson trade. We should probably talk a little bit about a really nice exchange. You had with Kevin, be exa. He continues to impress with his razor sharp wit, hey, we have a loaf of bread here, Kevin, can you come over and cut it with your razor sharp wit please like on John McFarland we'll get there. We'll tell you what the captaincy going from Kenzi the bark off. We should probably also talk about primary colors. We saw last night between Nashville and Carolina second time by the way Carolina's on on the preseason butts. Let's start with the biggest story in the NHL today and that is. Gritty, there's nothing that's happened is as much conversation as greedy as in Philadelphia. All right. Okay. First of all, I love the fact that it seems if every time I look on social media Philadelphia's doubling down to the point where I like it now initially, Nope, wasn't for me, and now I love it. Well, it's very Philly, right? You don't like this, like, screw you like it. It's very Philly. If you're not sure if something say it loud. Yeah, which is a philosophy I believe in, but that's Philly. Right? Like we're tough town. You don't like us too bad, you know, honestly, I gotta tell you Jeff. When I first saw it, I said, is this like a goof on the president? We thought it was a Trump I did. It was like a. It was like a. Show in place, Carlin, bathe on Twitter, CEO with my dad, Frank bane was funny, but like I didn't think that was the first thing I thought of it was like a goof on the president, and then I was like, you can't share if if they're not really going to do this, right? Yeah. And you right, they're refusing to back down. It is it is released something in for a penny in for a pound, the Philadelphia Flyers on their mascot. I love it. It's almost like they're just jam it down everyone's throat. You don't like it too bad. Here's two servings now. I respect that. Like if you're gonna make decision, don't back down. You're gonna get into the batter's box. Dig in right plant your back foot and swing. Well, because you'll how many people now back down from something because of the social media reaction happens all the time. People are afraid. People get talked out of things that are fine all the time because they're afraid of the reaction. I do have an admiration for that too, that they're looking at this and they're saying too bad. You ever done anything on mascots in thirty one thoughts. Here's why ask when I was doing Marley's games with John Barlett now Leafs voice on sports net. So Duke the dog was the mascot, and the guy that originally played Duke wonderful guy, young guy, kids loved them how like you know, certain kids, it would come up to him all the time. Do handshakes high fives had like little routines at the rink to the job for two years and then moved onto a higher position. I think he stated may police force entertainment. I'm not sure. But anyway, so the new Duke came in and one parent Marley's game I'm leaving was after game was against, but walkie and she pulls me side. You said my son's really upset at Duke the dog, and I'm like, am I really having a conversation about how kids upset about a mascot? Like remember who ended up being do the what happened? And she said, you know, we came to the games all last year and every game he would do a certain kind of high five with Duke the dog. And they do like. Head nuggets or something. And now this year he won't even knowledge my kid like what's got into your mascot this year. And it was only at that point that I realized like for kids mascots are a big deal. And when you have something like that, I mean, your father, I'm a father. You know how children create bonds with routines and the kids probably looking forward to the game for I get to see Duke the dog. All of a sudden it's a good reminder dukes putting up the Heisman, here's a Nope stop sign. Oh, I don't know you anymore kid and was drop. Its is almost by that was the one of the first things that had my eyes opened about when it came to mascots at how sensitive you have to be when the person in the costume change. If we're doing, I'm mascots. Not that I can remember you about to do something on mascots through I can you do an investigative piece on the Genesis of gritty, and can that involve to just the etymology of it and how they ended up with that name? Name. It'll probably be done. I have a thing it's going to be done by next week, but on the off chance, it isn't you got it. Anything else? I'm mascots batteries can start the podcast. I'm ready to go. Here we go thirty one thoughts. The podcast brought to you by the all new two thousand eighteen GMC Sierra. The now. Yes, he is number sixty five, Eric Carlson. It is short, stay view of the fans, this realising who it is as he spent out of the ice. Listen. He looks good, that jersey doesn't love it. Stands out. Happen to be all that to drought his other feet. Now, Eric Carlson read at the center dot, tell you what these stealth. Now, let's go down ice level. John Ruth. So as you can tell were super excited for the upcoming season that we could be more excited that you're part of the San Jose Sharks house. If you'll be a shark. I feel great. I think, you know, I'm super excited. I'm excited to come to good team. Good trial, good fan base. I'm excited start something new. All right. Welcome to episode two season two thirty thoughts. The podcast Geoff miracle on Elliott. Friedman still to come. By the way every Dallas day today we have Dallas star, Tyler, Sagan, and Dallas green city and on fire singer songwriter and sports fan extraordinaire. We've been some pretty key events and there's a lot of prequel hockey people's well. Looking forward to that meantime, thirty one thoughts on sports dot CA this week. One of the things that caught my mind coming. I right away was talking about Eugene Melnyk and how the ownership from the Ottawa Senators working with the ownership from the San Jose Sharks to help facilitate the Carlson deal. We shouldn't be surprised at this at all. Should we normally when big deals like this get done? Aren't there at least conversations from owner to owner? I mean, Gretzky was done. That's Pocklington and McConnell. Esso's aren't GM's GM's. Those are owners. That's the first big one. That we can all recall, but you're saying that ownership was key in getting the Carlson deal? Well, I think there's a couple of things here. First of all, I think you're used to as I've learned in God know some of the owners. I think most owners will tell you that these are million dollar if not billion dollar corporations now. So there's a lot more ownership involvement than there ever was. But I think most owners will tell you their preference is to have someone running their team who they trust, that they can come to them and say, this is what I'm thinking of doing. Are you okay with the biggest thing is you know, don't surprise me. Like, for example, when the lease went out and got virus, I don't think ownership was all over that one. I think they went to them with a plan and they said, this is our, we're gonna do the plan. Ownership said, go for it. I think with this one they were probably a bit more involved than normal. Now, I know Melnik and hustle plot owns San Jose. They spoke to. Each other at the beginning of the process. I know that hustle plot ner twice called Eric and Melinda Carlson once I believe when they are in Toronto meeting with the sharks. And then once again in auto one, I believe span our on the phone with each of them. That's a lot like you know, for an owner invent to invest basically two to four hours with a player like that by phone is not even their player yet. I think that's a lot Plattner by the way, was also part of San Jose's pitch to virus. And you know, I do believe there's been a lot spilling out of the whole Carlson thing, and it's difficult to tell sometimes exactly what's there. But one thing that I do believe occurred because I checked it is at the end of July when everything kinda calmed down a bit. Eugene Melnyk emailed Carlson directly and said, can we meet? And I heard Carlson was very polite about it. He just said, you know, I'm, I'm not ready to side my future. I don't know when that's going to be, so it's probably not best to meet. Now, how do you read then? The. Truth that is oughta looking to move Carlson last year, deadline, fast forwarding to July first and a contract offer to the gene Melnik Email to the trade between Ottawa and San Jose. It was sort of glossed over in some ways in that pure dorien or the, it seems if there was a disconnect between he wanted to move on and we had to move on from him. But then why do we offer him a contract? I think this shows just the overall state of confusion that sometimes comes from Melniks ownership. I do believe now that have auto could go back. They would have made that deal with Vegas at deadline and maybe not the deal that was turned down at the end because Bobby Ryan, I think was still in it. But if they had taken Bobby Ryan out of that deal and traded Carlson Vegas, I think that would have been their best trait. And you think hindsight twenty twenty they would have. I think if how everything played, everything played itself out if you're gonna trade era, Carlson without Bobby Ryan. Then I think you do that at the deadline last year to Vegas and you probably get a better deal. I just think oughta was fillet. Sophy at the top. It changed several times back then it was, we want Bobby Ryan going to trade with air Carlson when he got Dell dealt by himself, you know, they made the offer. I believe it was eight times eleven. I believe it was eight years eighty eight million. I don't think they ever got into structure or anything like that. It was just like, this is what's going to be on the table, but I don't believe they ever talked about structure or anything like that. But I do believe that Carlson's people felt that that was just like to say that we made the offer. I just think at the end of the day, Carlson didn't believe in the ownership. He was going to go and they just didn't want it to last into the regular season wanting to San Jose here in a second. But let's pause on Ottawa while we're here the headline from this week, Zac Smith. Yep. And the wave. He gets waved Matt, Shane, outspoken about it. This is a kick in the nuts. This is a tough one for I think he used the phrase balls. Apologies are rephrase. This is a kick in the balls for us. Nonetheless. Allow those players. Not amused exactly. Secretive tried to move Zac Smith at various times. I believe going back to last years trade. That's true. So it shouldn't come as any surprise, but could they're not have been another way this was handled? Well, I think the problem is is that they tried to trade them and they there's just not much available right now. And so that's what happens. You know, first of all, I think Ottawa was trying to get rid of the contract. I think also there's a long hangover from what happened last year in the way some of the things that happened in their room, and I wouldn't be surprised if they're completely trying to change it. And you know what I'm curious to see, honestly, Jeff is if this is not the last Santer with a ticket that we see on waivers, I wonder if the goal is ends up there Anderson Khandan or another player that they might not be very happy with. You think this is everything must go. This is we're going to see if we can lighten our cap. Yes. I understand this is strictly a business. You know, this isn't, you know, eight years old wanted to get your name on the Stanley Cup, and this is the hockey business. So I understand that. But what scored to me was there's nothing that Ottawa can do that will portray them in a more favorable light, no matter what it is at this time. That's what it seems. The me please make decision with Matt Martin. I'm sure that upset a lot of people dressing, Mitch. Martin probably wore them, but that's a hockey decision and they made it making the same relatively same decision now was ax myth by trying to get rid of him and it's met with a thunder of O'Hare. We go again from players and from fans. Well, you know, this goes back to what we've talked about and that is that there's no buying into the ownership. Like, I think if you're in a vacuum Jeff and you're, you knew that you were going to for a long rebuild like oughta was said, this is gonna take. Three years. If you were going into that, I think everybody would understand that. Like if I had a team, you know, we, we had a run or whatever, and you know, guys were has some pain. Here's we try to reveal this. I think people would understand that maybe I would try to move his accent or a player like that on my team. The problem is that it's auto at this time. Like nobody's buying what they're selling and everything they do look, you think David amber was going out of his way to embarrass pure Dory on TV last week though, not at all, but Dorian paused and thought about his answer. And you know, people made fun of on Twitter. It's just because it's auto at this time right now, thoughts on Doug Wilson. We tell you about a little bit last week on the podcast you wrote about him and you talked about the drafting specifically about how he has a aboard, the demonstrates going back to two thousand three. They have had the worst possible draft positions early on by the way. It seemed as if Wilson only one the draft players from his junior teams sixty seven's serve the well on Logan. Kapoor did funded there joslin and Niessen murders and every year it's okay, which sixty seven is like Wilson gonna draft, but they have been well, like given the position that they've been in for that long. The trae was the same way then. Well, at the draft, it's funny like. I once said to him that Doug Wilson that you know, people say that you're a really good salesman and he didn't like the fact that I use the phrase salesman. He said that what I believe is we've got something here that we are very proud of, and I am happy to sell that. I am happy to tell people how good we feel about what we've done in San Jose when you're trying to trade with Doug Wilson. You know what his nickname is the dentist eventually, because like when he's in the chair, when you got you in the chair working over you, he's the dentist. But I have heard that when you're talking to him about his team and he can talk to you about what they're doing. He is very convincing. People call them the closer. And when I heard after we all heard this after that, he flew to Toronto with. Deboer to meet with Erik Carlson van. You know, I'm not surprised air across when agree to go to San Jose who's who's there on the blue line with Carlson. And now he is and I had heat on my fantasy team last year and he's a good power, play guy. I'd be surprised if he does end up somewhere. I think there's plays some team saying they hope San Jose puts him on waivers so they can get three, but either he might keep them on the roster or if you're higher up. I think if you've got a spot and your second power play your first unifier player, something shooter, he's not a bad guy to have this. Speaking of the fence meeting surprise Ryan Merkley still there. I am a little bit surprised. I animal bit surprised simply because you know, we thought he would have been back junior by now. They're back with Wellstone. They're giving this guy every single Chan skill. He's what we say. Last year, the draft Dallas. He's got five skill skill in the draft. But I think also what they're trying to do is they want them around their guys. They wanted to see what like what we're all the knocks on him. He's not professional right office. He's going to be. He's going to be around a lot of guys who are different guys, but they find a common bond. So it's interesting that they're gonna have Carlson play with Lassic. It's going to be really interesting in burns with Ryan, I wouldn't be fully now people appreciate how good flaccid is so much attention shafted more than that. Everybody should appreciate how good this can be fantastic for Lhasa and all the best thing Vlasic is to. He's a great interview. He is to get him good on some dogs. Yeah, he's talking the pictures. I think it's really interesting like the great story of apply or is that he has staff meeting there once and he said, all staff, the three worst things you can own are a hotel, a golf course in a hockey team. I own all three that's by and Wilson said it in the conversation I had with them and that is that, you know, for a guy who's really busy and he's all over the world when he is called upon he does. Whatever. And these are good owner. Like, I think a lot of people would love to have that kind of owner, speaking of owners, should we all start to get more used to the idea of celebrity owners were were approaching an era. Now, in hockey, we've seen another sports now where we know who all the general managers are, and they become personalities. We've had that years ago with the coaches, certainly with the players of course, but now we're getting you the area where we all know that the owner is because to your point earlier, invest a lot of money, they wanna be hands on and we're going to know them and we're going to know their style. We'll get to Carolina Tom done in near a second. We just get used to that fact that there are going to be more owners that become the one of the personalities on their team, and we all know them. I figured either one or the other, like I think there's some guys who really love it and some guys who really hate it. There are some like, you'll see me at Christmas and you'll see me at the end of the year. And other than that you're not going to hear from me, look gone. You look at it like the guy's Comcast who owned the flyers like Snyder was flatter was the flyers and you never see those. Guys, you know, Larry tanenbaum is a lot less visible easy. You can find them around in Toronto, but he doesn't talk very much. I think it becomes one way or the other. And I think there's some guys who see a lot of the heat that done, took and Carolina, and they're like happy to have somebody else take that instead of. Do you get a sense of what the NHL prefers? The sense of what type of owner Gary Bettman prefers. If you looked at how stern battled with Cuban. I think that men likes quieter owners. Like how many hours h. l. do you ever hear from you? Never hear from an shoots LA. You never hear from Santa valley rinks all over the world. You never hear from Sam Wely in Anaheim. You know when they wanna rink well, but even easier for auto from Edmonson locates and California. But even Murray Edwards like last year when all itself was going on, I had to run them down at the board of governors meeting and he was nice, but clearly didn't wanna talk about it. He prefers to be out of the spotlight, Jeremy Jacobs. I mean, how often do you see him lockout lock, Jeremy? Jake? He does one press conference year. Snyder was front and center starter was Jim Dolan. You never see him. He's much more visible with the Knicks than he is with the Rangers. Gula rocky words. He was out doing a book signing recently, but he'll do an availability once or twice a year. Generally, he's not out there very much. Florida guys were out there, but now they've calmed down the, yeah, Florida's quiet. Now, Carolina even done in has been very quiet. This preseason, Tom guardian Dallas. He does some things periodically, but generally he's not out there. He prefers to leave it to his GM Saint Louis. You almost never see her from Stillman like there's a lot of very quiet guys in the NHL United time Dondon as one of my United Sagres on this. One of my pet causes is primary colors on the ice with the uniform. And we saw yesterday Carolina and Nashville Carolina's done this twice. They did it in Tampa, right? So there's a red versus blue last night. There was the hot dog game the red versus versus the mustard and catch up game and. And like Dondon hasn't been shy about. He's talked about this publicly saying, look, white looks bad. I don't ever want to wear a one or team wearing white jerseys. I wonder if the NHL, whatever let them do that in the regular season. It seems if they're okay with obviously doing it in the preseason. I wonder if Carolina could be the test case for were wearing red all the time or black. You know, Jeff, I got tell you, I get older. I'm ready for all this stuff. Yeah, I believe the gel is going to have to move. I really believe this open gonna fight out of, you know, I know Jeff, I going this way now just try it. And let's see. It goes back to the lot of the stuff I talked about with Katie Crawford in the thirty one blog this week and then read it Katie Crawford Mark Crawford's daughter. I saw Mark Crawford last year the in the summer at the coaches conference was phenomenal. I learned a lot there. So markets speak for about ten fifteen minutes. They turned over his son Dylan. The video coach at age l. Belleville and then dill. Turns it over to Katie is daughter. She's just finished five years of playing volleyball at UB c. and she's they're taking her masters and she starts talking about reaching millennials and after it was over, like all these coaches made a beeline for her didn't care didn't matter that boys, girls, men, women, whatever, like they're like, I can't reach these kids like, how do I do it? And I spoke to her on Sunday, you know, we talked about some more stuff and she just said like hockey has good values, but the way you teach those values has to change because the horses out of the barn and these kids are not going to be the same as the kids above them and you can't change it. And I think why people want now this younger generation, they wanna feel that they belong to something, but they wanna feel that they can contribute to what they belong to. She talked me about how you have more friends online. But those friendships are less meaningful than the ones we had when we were growing up and I found it all really interesting. And since I wrote that, I've had like three people asking talk to her like, can I speak to this person people in the NHL one in the NHL and to like I would side it, but like also dealing with millennials, does that wink at a bigger issue, which is how the NHL has a hard time with young people. I think it's just that the NHL is a league of conformance and I do think the teachers, good values like how to be a good teammate, how to work in his system, how to work in a group. But her point is, is that you can't just tell people that this is how you're gonna fit in the group, and this way goes, you're going to have to say to them, we want to be in a group. I wanna mold you there. Now, how do you think you need to be molded to get there kind of thing, but I think that goes to that kind of stuff you're talking about. I, I'm a big believer that the league's going to have to become less stiff. And one of the things is. Don't hesitate to try stuff like that. Like we joked at the top of the podcast. What's the biggest ancho this week it's it's. It's crazy. Whatever stupid name. Because it's it's so weird like you look at that. It's like, that's not the NHL I know, and it's it's okay for all of its rue. It's right. Like Jeff, we've known to for a long time. You knew me when I was twenty three years old. I was just starting the business like I was like all serious all the time. Bob macwoods when you sir. I was the exact opposite, right? Exact opposite Bob MAC, which not your buddy, but his dad he wants told me, Elliott. I listen to you on the fan here, and all you do is bring the heat like you gotta do some other stuff you gotta mix in like curve ball or something once in a while, and as I've gotten older, I really understand that or never. If everybody was like me, it would be so boring. So you need all different kinds. And that's why I think that the league is going to have to embrace the league that to me that's trending the bashed in b. is the NBA and that's because they embrace personality and they embrace diff. Difference. I think that there's a whole bunch of people in the NHL who are willing to prove they can be different and fun, but in a way that doesn't make them bad for the game. I just think the game has to let that happen. Is that why this game needs on the ice or off the ice in front of a camera, Kevin, be exa in it. Like if he wants to do TV, he's going to be moral. He's going to be right in there like Scott Hartnell working at the national network now a little bit like he's another guy who I think would be really good. But yeah, be exa. When I spoke to the other days, I still keeping shave. He goes, yes, I'm still in better shape than ninety five percent of the players, one hundred percent of the media, and he couldn't even get out with a straight face. He was as you said it, but you don't. You know, one of the good examples of all this is you're talking about and these are guys that are that are out of the NHL now, but personalities like you look at the success of spitting checkless. Yeah, you look at the success of that podcast for I don't know how many years have we been thinking about this idea that one day. To hockey players are gonna get together to do something and just talk lake hawks before heard them before. Just talk like they talk at the gym saloon at the wherever and it's going to be a hit chiklis apps into that. Like I listen to some of the stuff on there, and I'm like, there's no way I could say. But I laugh like there was one story they were telling almost drove off the road like I couldn't believe this. This a great pot. You and I can't do that pot. No even quote, we can't. And first of all, I don't think we'd have the buy in from the players to tell those stories like, you know, Mike Grenell does a good job of logging to Bissett into Whitney, and those guys were very popular teammates and you can see the guys like them. And also there's no way that Rogers letting us do that like there. But it's like there's room for everything. And I think that in the NHL there is room for everything room for everything. Is there room for John McFarland, credit goes to you, and I actually was annoyed when I saw you today that I forgot to put your name in the in the story. Because if my turning because you're the person who told me about this and I do like to give credit to people, tell me about things and that is that you told me about, you know, John mcph Ron would be a really good story and he'd already been sent to Bakersfield when I contacted him. But I, I note to the orders. They said, here's biggers field and and Ryan and Bakersfield. He had it done by that night, and John was really good. I like seeing stories like that. You know, John MacFarlane really well. Yeah, full transparency. We work are the same Jim. I see. John mentioned the shea Justin, really good shape a couple extra bucks in your envelope this week, John. Thanks buddy. I've known John for for a number of years. Got normally well. At the gym, and I'm glad you put that in the pieces Cuarto sort of growing up because I want the first job McFarland that I met at the gym when I first moved to stove, ill is not the guy right now. Yup, the different. He was playing the Florida Panthers organization playing the American Hockey League, really different guy. And you know, here's for you. Don't know the stories I overall draft pick in the OH l. playing the junior Canadians thing on a stack team like they were John McFarlane was the best player on the team to fully was on that team about Smith. Pelly was on that GRC team really good team. Second round draft, pick of the of the Florida Panthers and put a couple of games with the Florida Panthers win. Dr. Glenn was coaching, but then three games. Yeah, that was it. And then went and played in Europe, had the shoulder issues and has come back and kind of like this is this is my shot at it and no. By the way, I am not the friend of the gym that Elliott references million. Nice. I actually asked if you're the guy said no, not the friend of the gym and in question, but you know what this conversation right before you went to Oilers camp. Actually, I side documentary that has some thoughts behind it that speak to this of always felt that hard work doesn't guarantee results. You org is hard as you want, but if you think that your hard work is gonna get you results, you set yourself up for failure. I've always believed in my life that hard work sets you up for an answer. You get an answer to a question that very few people ever get, and that is how good am. I is a documentary on drive line about Casey weathers. He c- weather is was baseball player pitcher real good drafted by Colorado. Never really worked out, but there's a piece up on Dr l. it up on my Twitter where he talks what everything that he's gone through all the rehab and how he wanted the answer to that. That question, and that's what hard work. But I could walk away like that because in the back of your mind, do you know if your fears just one elaborate lie that you tell your family and friends to save yourself from the admission of sale? If I could just get back healthy and prepare the way I wanted to. And it just turns out that I stink and I can't get anyone out then I stink and shouldn't be playing, at least that's this is. Motivation is a myth. There's a mental game. One idea that says, excellence is Monday means the people were the best stuff at a wants to be petted tasks j. after day after day. They don't wake up with a burning desire to be better than they were the day before wake up every day, like it's morning, get with. I've worked. I've rehab I did as much as I could do that was in my console and I took away every excuse that I could get myself hard work doesn't guarantee this guarantees. Onstage hard work doesn't guarantee results. Hard work will get you an honest answer to the question, how good am. I think we're all sort of looking for that and you only gonna get an honest answer if you're all in. If you're the all in guy, I get up every day. You work hard. I work hard like I get up and I think about work and I work a lot because I want honest answer one day, my career's wrapped up. I wanna be able to say, okay, how good was I? That's why I'm gonna work hard every single day. So if I don't not gonna get an honest answer because I'm not asking an honest question, I'm not asking for anything the artists come back now, this conversation with John when when he left him like, you know what you, I've seen you work so hard to get back while you're going to get as an answer to the question, how good I very few people get that people like, you know, kinda milled it in a little bit half acid a little bit. You're not gonna get an honest answer to the question. How good am I? I think what's good for John no matter what happens with John McFarland now or next year or five years from now, this is going to get an answer. Yes, agree. If you guys are also very few guys get that answer. So in this capacity, I don't share for teams by cheer for people, and John is one of those people that I cheer for his team, the Florida Panthers captaincy change from Kenzi to bark off. How was that received? You write about. in thirty month. I think they understood. I think those players understood that it was time. You know, it was interesting. The league players media Vel billion Chicago Vinnie tro Chac. He speaks like Barkov like he walks on water like you can tell the Trojan ally is a big acolyte of bark off when you talk about players with personality and not being shy. I think of any track during the Tom Rowe era. Yeah, and I think of, you know, even Vinnie and it's actually a former teammate of John MacFarlane back in junior, and he's always been that not shy, speak as mind guy. Well, that's what even the Panthers say when they drafted him like there, there's a lot of confidence. I really liked that kid too. I think he's a great talk to good player, you know? And I thought that Longo said it really well. You know, it was brought to my attention that happened with him. I completely forgot that he was there and that happened. And you said that when MacKenzie told him about it, you know, he just said, you have to understand where we're going here, and the one thing is that McKinsey got to wear it. And I think that's the kind of point that long was making when he joked about fourth line and got to be captain. Yeah, the thing is there cancers, older guy, he's fought and scrapped for every things gotten in this league. If I was in his shoes, I wouldn't be upset that it got taken away from me because I look at who's getting it and it'd be like, I get it, but I would look at it as I got to wear it. As personally at the point is career where he got to wear it. I don't think it's easy, Jeff. I don't think it's ever easy, but I think if I was in his shoes, I would look. The best possible way. I thought when I saw. Taking the see from again, giving it to bark off was this is going to serve MacKenzie. Well, his next career because I firmly believe that he's one of those guys is going to be a coach probably, and this is an experience he's going to be able to draw on. Yep. Should this ever happen to his team? Yeah, this is going to be one of those great moments where he's Email look back and say, well, you know what? I was a fourth lockout for the Panthers wearing the sea and had it taken off me and given Alexander bark off and had to be good teammate about it, and he participated in the all of the when you call it. Ceremony participated in that I got a lot of respect for that me too. I got all the time, the role for guys like McKenzie. Anna got all the time in the world for guys like Alexander bark off. Well, not the most vocal will they said that he said he might even be less vocal than Henriksen dean. That's a low bar graph in New Jersey, barely getting a couple of words. I guess he spoke Russian mainly at home growing up and then learn English, but you know what Trump for game last. Internet, talk them for a couple seconds and Russia and finish. And I asked him a little bit about Matthews and he told me about a play that Matthews made in a one, nothing game against them, and I went back and found it because so we could show it in the pre game show and it was exactly as Barkov remembered it, right? He's one of those high q. guys. He works on shootout moves every practice untold. Yeah. He gets goaltenders to bite on the fakes for fakes like that's how high-end he's thinking now, like, you know, the the Kent Nilsson Peter Forsberg move. If you telegraph at a certain way, the goalie will bite on it. He'll do that now like he's taking it next level. Not like, oh, comes UC Okinawan or the Peter Forsberg whatever you wanna call it now. He's, he's the thing that, but yeah, the bark off is telegraphing getting the goalie to bite on that fake and then doing something right disguises. Pause. When we come back, you'll hear from Tyler Sagan of the Dallas Stars. You'll also hear from Dallas green. GMC Sierra Denali sets a higher standard in a full-size pickup for purposeful technology and performance features like apple carplay keeps you connected to what matters most and an available. Four hundred twenty horsepower six point. Two liter engine gives you the power to take on any challenge lead the way like a pro with the GMC Sierra. The now GMC we are professional grade. Freedland making news not too long ago, Tyler Sagan of the Dallas Stars. It is an eight year contract. It is seventy eight million dollars. And just when you think that's a Walker, the way it was announced by the Dallas, ours on Twitter. May have been the Trump card in all of teller Sega joins the thirty one thoughts podcast. Now, Tyler, first of all, congrats on the deal as belated as it may be. But I do want to start by asking you about the mareo brothers, video game announcement on Dallas, Stars, Twitter, did you know they were going to do that. I knew about thirty seconds after they put it out. So it wasn't a a question of whether doing it or not. They said they had it for probably three or four months really since the draft. And then just in case they had it ready to go and runs outside. I had a little bit mixed feeling pretty cool. I don't know how people are gonna take it and I think will more excited about the honorable type of out. And then you actually finding so you know, did work, they must have been just going back and forth day by day. Okay. What is the decimal point going to be here? Like the the basis of all sat there just waiting to see where they put the decimal. Yeah, they said they had it buried, you know, ready to go since the draft. And then once it happened, it was out there. So people liked it and I thought it was funny, so good. You know, Tyler. I was interested in the approach about how this all change. There was a time that Jim nill look like if it's not done by opening night, nobody should panic. And then at the biosteel camp last week of August use the word disappointed, four times and everything seemed to. Celery from there. Can you take us through kind of happened? Yeah. I mean, that was the first time I've talked really any media if you months. Originally, we Ximenes we talked about hopefully having somebody draft and this is my first negotiation, so I didn't really know what to expect. And you know, when I talked to media about the camp, I really didn't have any, you know, strategy or bowling the media and safe or things. I was really just being honest, no, nothing going on. You know, pretty much have been talking much summer. It's been. It's been a little disappointing. I thought I'd have you know, some exciting news talk about about the camp specially this late in the summer, but. Is really been much of a thought I was really expecting this. So, like I said, I was. Disappointed hasn't happened or, you know it didn't. But yeah, I mean, there hasn't been negotiations. It's spend no training this summer getting ready for this year. You know, they still had this last year here in Dallas and Dallas home looking forward to having a good year and different wanna win. At the end of day kind of strategic move, I guess because things did get moving off to that. But you know, it was honestly just need me on it. You know, I didn't want to negotiate in the media, but I was disappointed at the time. You thought things removing quicker and they weren't, and you know, part of the business. So there's definitely a great learning experience, but I'm also very happy. Ulsan ever think it wasn't going to get done? Yeah, there were probably a few days before it got done. I thought it wasn't going to happen. Honestly. You know, I thought, you know, we're just weren't there and then you know things escalated kind of twenty four hours before actually signed. And then the next morning it was there John up and ready to go. And I was ecstatic, you know, I've always wanted to be a dull star for my career or my career touchdown from the trade from Boston, and you know, this is home happy on tell you mentioned that your I go, she she now you have, you know, hindsight and we have that wisdom having gone through with if you had to do it again. Would you've done anything differently. No, I don't think so. I mean that the day, you know, my dream was still staying dollars. I mean, my goal, you know, I really wanted to stay here. I was going to accept the fact that you know, this is a business. I learned the hard way when I got traded from Boston, and if we didn't have finding, I understood the reasoning behind it and you know, I was ready to play on my contract here. But first foremost I wanted to be a doll star, you know, and this has been home, you know, I love the room, the guys I love the organization, the front office and everybody, and it was a place where I wanted to be. So like I said, I'm happy. It's all done. And you know, now we're going to focus on getting back playoff Tyler day was almost Tyler Sagan Erik Carlson day in Dallas. A lot of people may have been expecting to announcements coming from the stars. What was that? They like, and how close did you? Did you follow the Erik Carlson story? You know, you gotta be careful, right? There's rumors every day, whether it, you know, myself siding or whether it's, you know, you've been the Dallas Stars game to bear or Carlson. I've learned that over the. Ears that you know, you're happy that guys are interested. We also stand that might not happen. You try not get to hire low box. I think we were in the race Carlson, you know, at the end of the day, it's all these top players wanna come to, you know, the Dallas Stars ovation because it is such good market and you know it's a lot there than mytalk about. So then they were happy that you know he talked about maybe coming here. I followed it. You know, it's opening did, but you know, I'm sure sounds Tyler. I understand that you have a problem. I wish I had and that is you can't put on weight no matter what people. This is true. This is true. Like somebody told me, I think actually was bred Valiquette who works your agency. He told me that you put on like fifteen pounds this year, and I looked at you at the NHL in the players media day and nobody could tell. So tell me about this. How hard is it for you to gain weight. It's not so much gaining with, I guess it is logo gain weight, but it's really keeping on wait, I have, I guess you can call the problem, but I have, you know, struggle with my weight up, throw the season, you know, and Sears I'll lose. I mean ten to thirteen pounds depending on the year when we went deep playoff, you know, especially in Boston, my first and third year I was losing thirteen seventeen pounds. So I really changes my approach the offseason. You know, I usually put on like this summer I put on fifteen pounds last year was the first year where I really had a chef, my house and I was focusing more on know what I was eating. Just keep that weight up. You know, the boys joke about my body fat a lot just because it is so low and it gets low and this is the first year I got it over four percents. So I'm happy about that. And you know, hopefully I can keep it up. Change your stick flex. It all then throughout the year to compensate for losing weight and strength member and talking to Daniel Briere once and he said, you know, like a one ten to eighty five at the time, the playoffs done. Yeah, I change it. Sometimes, you know, last year change, but it depends too on the power play. It'll change a lot as well and feel at the year. You know, I do probably change stick once or twice whether it's the kick point or the flex just depending on how my body is reacting. But last year I really did learn a lot, you know, with having chef with focusing more on certain things, ape the night before games to keep that weight up and whether poking shakes stuff and so did change. And I think it helped your last year and you know you're learning process and you don't wanna keep doing this year as well. You mentioned the power play last year. Ken Hitchcock is the head coach was just mere. Was I seeing Tyler Sagan in different positions on the power play that I've never seen him for remember, watching Dallas as power. I'm not used to seeing Sagan. They're all. Where did that come from? How was that for you? That really was all hit. You know something you talked me since they want about that. He wanted me in the spot in the power play in different areas, those strong side. And I ended up scoring more both of it, but to be honest, I mean, I I, I was not happy about it. You know, I was grown. In practice time to go in the slot. And then all of a sudden, you know, my first game against bags at home. I scored on a tip from the slide and I was like, oh, okay. Well, maybe you know, I can do this and go to different areas. So I really did enjoy how hitch brought that on my game. You know, he really did a lot for me. I know everyone has their own opinion, but he was great for majors. The opportunity gave me whether it's penalty, kill or new positions on the power play, and they don't develop my game more last year, and you know, makes me more comfortable in this season to to be there, whether it's a five on three kill. We don't usually see me or in slot on our, but so Montgomery have you doing. He's got everything from last year. You know, I've only played in one preseason game so far, but I was in this was last year. It wasn't. So you know, typical of my past being just on the one time or like a stamkos power play, you know, I was killing five and three. So you know the opportunity is still there. I was, you know, earn them again this year and keep improving. How do you feel about the team this year? This is expectations high for the for the Dallas Stars and rightfully so play in a really tough division. Where are you at right now at your squad. Good spot right now prison, Linda training, Caspian. Great. You know, our speed is you know God and even quicker you know, other things last year, our speed wasn't as high as it was because we were playing so it offensive. But you know, going this year I think are going to be quicker. But we also learned a lot last year about how to defend a little bit better. So I think we can take it your system and then bring it in with Jim Gummer's. You know, I think the ceiling time for us, we want those expectations. So you know, look for to get here. There was that one year under under Lindy Ruff rose. Just fly zone Dallas Stars, and it was eighties hockey all over again. Was that mean I'm thinking from players point of view. This must be a lotta fun play off is a lot of fun, but it was again, it was another learning process for our team just because you know, we were going out trying to win game six, five, five, four, seven, six, you know, that's how we played in how we tried to win, and we had to learn the hard way that you just can't win like that anymore. You know, you got to win the game two one or one nuts. And then someone we learn more with hitch, and now we gotta find the sweet spot between it. And I think. Like you said, our divisions on the hardest divisions, I think in all sports. But you know, I think the day you make play, you know, you're, you're more prepared because you're playing playoff hockey. You know, by November, December, Jimmy, Ben, and Tyler Cygan be the highest scoring teammates in the NHL this year. I don't know if that's our goal. I think our goal is to be the hardest to play against. You know what we do still talk about. You know, when we go to play games again in Chicago or Pittsburgh against, you know, other duos we wanna play. You know that job, we gotta beat that first line. But nowadays we got Alex rides, and you know, he's the guy that we don't. We like to call ourselves more triplets than do anymore. 'cause you know, his workouts like is just it's not even talked about enough, you know how hard he competes already practices and you know an off night he gets going. So a lot of things last year we wanna keep route. And like I said, how often would you talk to John Klingberg cling to me is one of the more interesting defenseman you know, probably the headlines that he deserves. Remember when he came in playing. In playing in Sweden. He had that reputation. He was like the one guy that would do this who wouldn't lineup for the big slap shot from the point on the power play. He would just sort of sift in shots, but generally they were high. He was one of those offense wasn't shy about sending in shots high. Chagrin ever a conversation there, John Klingberg about it. Yeah, they're still high, but they're not faith low anymore. You know, which is something he's learning which has been great. But no, like you said, I mean, we were almost low angry at some points. You know, with the media last year because he wasn't talking about so much with north stuff and them talking about all these other defensive players out there. John clogging very mean if he's sitting in one jaw right now, you know, he's the most talk with defense tonight. Show he very far with the puck. You know, he's even gone a lot better defensively, and I think that she might see him play more minutes. You know what? I'll tell you a story about that. Not so much Klingberg, but I did have a player on your team last year. Reach out and say, I don't care who you voted for for what, but Radic facts. I should get Selke. Yeah, consideration. And he was adamant that he said, I know you guys are already overlooking Klingberg, but Faxon's another guy getting more overlooked. I think if you. Here in you call guy and every team, and you ask about our squad and they say, who don't wanna play again? They're gonna probably say rack. So yeah, you know our line with Roger and Ben, you gotta be defensive burger are, you know, make you earn yourself, you know to these own. But actually the guy talked to play again, humid, scrimmages and practices. You know, all lined up against him a lot. You know, he's a great shutdown player. He reminds me a lot of like Patrice Bergeron who I played with before. Obviously, you know, Bertrand make quite an from self, but I think God I can get to that level or at least close to it. And I think he's played for a long time in the Western Conference as you all know, it's a murderer's row of centers, whether it's Connor mcdavid, whether it's gets law for the copen Sar, whether it's Mark schlafly, whether it's yourself, it's tough plane down the middle in the Western Conference who gives you the greatest fits when you match up. South to say, I mean, every night, the new challenge, you know, you kind of, you know, hit the ball and the head there with the guys like copay tar. You know, I really do focus on things like face faceoffs and no one up against the upcoming night. But you know, it seemed like Winnipeg is definitely, you know, team that went on the ride last year team that I was always, you know, our team was and I was personally successful again, but how much developed and guys like like we're there and how they are down the middle, not easy to play against. You know, it was just Brian Little, really a couple years ago isn't good player, but now they got all that death. I mean their team that you definitely know when they're in town and you know, you gotta bring your competitive that night. Final one for me, Tyler's is we prepared for this interview today. I got an Email saying that you had signed a new off ice. I don't know if endorsements the right word, but you've joined a company to do some stuff off the ice. Tell us a little bit of. Yeah, it's a lot of guys from I m e from from Los Angeles and Miami, and we're gonna do a lot of things with my phone Dacian. We're not going. Your girl that I'm gonna get more into fashion side me some knapsacks and always clothing hotline, and just some fun stuff off the ice, any opportunity interact with fans. I've always enjoyed whether it's social media or foundation events, and there's log if things and I can't wait for it to grow. I don't think we're gonna get cookie case superman level, but elect to be second star behind them. Full. See, do you have a logo yet? Tyler? I do. We do have a logo. Yeah, the TSA logo. I love it because he wouldn't fully. No, it's TSA unless I tell you or unless you know the brand. So I think it's going to be successful and you know, hopefully it all works out. That's awesome. Best of luck with that and best of luck with the stars this year. Thanks so much for doing this. Thanks Tyler. All right, actually. Season is back at Tim Horton's NHL trading cards. Just one dollar with the purchase of any beverage play online at collect to win dot CA for a chance to meet Sidney Crosby bus taxes, participating, Tim Hortons restaurants for a limited time. So. Breaking down. Think of breaking. So. Thirty one thoughts. The podcast, Geoff, America, longside, Elliott Friedman. What you are hearing is just a beautiful song sleeping sickness. The performed by Dallas green sitting caller in Halifax. Part of a new live album. He has coming out of the fifth. Jeff merica Friedman thirty one thoughts, podcast, Elliott. This is what we describe as a real freight all morning long. I have had no one a worm burns into your brain with a song, and you can't get it out of your head. I've had love gone wrong in my head all day long collaboration between pink and green singer, songwriters sports fan, who has. We've just recently found out has been at some pretty keep sporting events over the past few years. Hello, thank you for having me and yes, how would you have introduced herself thinking to myself Hamad injuries, Dallas green on a hockey podcast. Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I mean, I I was gonna ask. I was just wondering to see how you guys would rather get a good that. Okay, I think so. Yeah. Well, there's a couple of things about Dallas. I've learned. I remember hearing the story years ago, the first World Series. I remember watching was nineteen seventy seven dodgers versus but one of the best World Series early in my life was nine. Eighty, which was Philadelphia versus the Kansas City Royals. And I was cheering for the royals. I love George, Brad, but Philadelphia beat them. I didn't know this until recently, but you are named after the Phillies manager, Dallas green to which I say, thank goodness. Your dad's favorite player wasn't tug McGraw. Always. Always been an interesting story for me to tell. I think my father for giving a cool name for give me a cool name, but it is only because the Phillies one and because he because he bet money on the Phillies to win. Okay. Okay. And so it's more that he's gambler the I mean, here's a sports fans, well, but yeah, that's my mom wanted to name me. Graham Todd hyphenated Graham, Todd, green, and my dad said, no. And then the Phillies one and I got Dallas, which I feel like with all the respect. Thanks. Yeah. Father's lose that arguments. So you're lucky your dad's a forceful person? No, I'm assuming ahead. Somebody with the money. So what? What was it for you growing up in Saint Catharines, sports music? Both one was most. Yeah. Yeah. It was a moment that we're both good at just trying to have me and my sister just try tons of stuff. Yeah, kind of see what stuck. Yeah. So that included, you know, baseball and basketball early and also sign me up three tar lessons when I was eight, not because I really showed an interest in it just to see, you know that I think the idea of trying to offer their kids a bunch of opportunities that maybe they didn't have when they're younger. So I was always trying to be on the, you know, my dad coached me and little league, but also some for tar lessons and early on into high school. I realized that as much as I loved planning sports, I've seemed to accelerate more at the music side of things. So I, I talked to that, you know our sun now he's about to turn seven, and he's not big into sports, but he loves music is a matter of. Fact, his birthday's coming up. We're looking at purchasing drum set for them because he likes play. We took him into a drum store and he could've sat there all day. This important part of the band just you know. Okay, that's good. I like that the people musicians hang out with drummers. That's very good. This is so like what advice would you give for a young kid? And I think this goes for athletes to like sometimes people don't always encourage it. Right. What was the best advice maybe your parents gave you and what was the best of as you would give to someone trying to cultivate a young talented person will? The drumming is a good start because like most singers, most good singers would tell you that it's about them as the person holding the backbeat down. That's good start. But I would say for musical side of it, just make sure that he listened to everything don't get pigeonholed in, like, you know, if you're like a metal head and you just wanna listen to metal, but you're missing out on so many other different good songs and good types of music, but also the more styles of music you learn in our fluent and the more ability you have to play types of people. You know what I mean? Especially as drummer. And then as far as like for me that the I always had supportive parents in in the sense that not only they get me into music, but they allowed me to give it a shot. And I think that was something that was very important to me when I was younger, I had a few teachers in high school that we're very instrumental in just when all of my friends were filling out their university applications and getting ready to go do this. And that I was the one who really had no interest other than music. They sort of gave me that, you know? Well, a bunch of teachers were saying, you need to get back up plan, which may be hindsight, I should have had one, but. Just the ability of the confidence to say, give it a shot, you know, because if you don't give it a chance, then you'll never know. And so that's sort of something I always had always had good good people beside me, whether it was my good friends or my family or teachers that just said, you know, very good, great quote by the late floss for our watts, pass them seventy. Three said the greatest risk of all is not doing what you want to do based on the bet that you can buy yourself the freedom to do it later. Correct. Which is why what you're saying. I don't wanna backup. This is what I'm going to do. I'm not going to gamble and do something else, so I can do this later. Undo this. Now, at least I'm gonna try because you know, I think to myself now this was the thing that I was interested the most in and you know, I could have went to university for four years and and majored in something did music on the side and tried to do that. But I was just sort of inch. Interested in putting my whole self into it now again, that's that's not necessarily gonna work like my story. I'm thankful that it did work, you know. But I do feel like part of it was having the confidence from people around me saying, yeah, you, you know, keep going seems oddly same as athletes and speaking of that, there's a saying in sports excellences mundane that we see the highlights. We see the home runs the big goals, but we don't see is those amazing athletes doing the same thing over and over and over and over. It is boring. It is rigorous. It is mentally taxing. It is not exciting. Yes. We see the benefit of we see what happens. Afterwards fans, we don't see that part. Is there an equivalent for musicians? Yeah, absolutely. Touring is just that. I mean, it's one of those things where you as an outsider, mostly, will you see the glamorous side of being in a popular rock band or something, but what you don't see. The monotony of it. You don't see it being just like anything else in life. There are good days and bad days. I've had shows where I've just been and this could be part of my personality too. But you know, I've had, I've been on stage in front of ten thousand people at a festival and not really enjoyed it because I just wasn't having a good day, you know. And I've also had shows where I played in front of twenty people in Boise, Idaho and I had the best night of my life. So there's that mental side of it that that comes into play too, like you, you can set yourself up to have the best game or the best show, but sometimes real life creeps into it and it just gets you and, but it's the ability to understand that if you're lucky enough to wake up and you get to try it again. And I think that's the thing with the routine of athletes. And you know, I don't wanna go to the gym today, but I'm going to because I get to skate tonight and I might have the greatest game in my life tonight. The difference is obviously with sport is. That there's an end game in a way. There's a, there's usually a winner Elizer and there's a competition aspect to, but it is a similar. There's a kinship and I know there's always people talk about how people in bands wanna be athletes, and then there's always like the athletes that want to be in band or percent. And I've been lucky enough to meet a lot of people like that now and on the other side of the coin, and it is it is a similar things. You just live this similar lifestyle in a way it was Sports Illustrated cover? Probably about thirty years ago. I would say, I think I was around the time I was in university, and if I remember over the ice cube in a Shaquille O'Neal, Lakers jersey in the cover the article wise, why athletes wannabe musicians and why musicians wanna be athletes a great story. Yeah, and I, I really do remember that very well. Okay. So I want to talk about some of your your hockey, love your sports love. You were saying that off Mike, that you just sold your place in Nashville, but you live there for four years and you really saw the rise to the. Top of the predators? Yeah, it was really crazy to see. You know, it was interesting to see was when the lease made the playoffs for the first time after what was it? Two thousand twelve. Thirteen right after the law. Season I played plus, here's Boston. I can't remember foggy. I have a funny story about that the game, but it involves being on the radio, but I played the. They did a big concert may police square because it was the first game was in Boston, play down there and the whole. He's basketball fan too. Right? So that was sort of like the beginning of the Jurassic Park and the and everybody got no side and watching the games. So I understood that seeing that happen, but watching that happen downtown Ville where it was like Broadway was like is like the country music. That's like, you know, the strip where Shiva's now, but like going down there a couple of times during the playoffs and seeing the roads blocked off, not because there was country music concert, but because there was Jumbotron setup for all of the people in Nashville to come out and watch the game outside of the arena. I was like, where am I? You know, I told you guys, I went to to game six where they beat Anaheim to go to. Up and I, I'd been watching the playoffs and seeing the rowdiness and I was like, I gotta go for here. We have to go see a game. We have to try and get tickets and I couldn't believe, and I'd been games years before. I couldn't believe the atmosphere. And part of me is the Canadian. You know, I was being skeptical of it like, say, you gotta come see a game again. It wasn't sane, and it wasn't just they weren't just excited because it was something they were excited about their hockey team. I look at that and I look at Vegas for example. And I always say to myself, and I think this is true of just wondering whether it's sports, whether it's media, whether it's music, if you're honest about who you are as a person or as a sports team, you'll be a magnet will be attracted to that. I think people can sniff b. Bs. And if they think that you're faking the funk and you're not really like that, I think that's repellent Nashville's honest about who they are. What that market is. We saw Vegas last year, their lawn honest abo-. And they are and what they are daddy. And again, all these these straight lines between sports and music. I think this will the true. It's got to be true of music as well. You know, when you're being legit. Well, yeah, to draw the line with Nashville, like they know they are music city and yes, they may be played up the idea of that. Having like a different country singer come out and things like that. What's wrong? That's that's your town. Yeah, that's part of your identity as you playing in Nashville. That's part of it. That's the city. What was your radio story of o game? Seven thousand thirteen days. So there's a town Boulder, Colorado. There's a great independent radio station. It's called e town and they have a an, they bought an old church and they renovated it, and they do these Nick and Helen four-star there. They run the show and they have people come in and you play a couple of songs. You have a live interview recorded professionally and they film it and they put it out and I'd flown from Toronto to play festival and then do that. And as I was about to go on. On it was the third period and I was streaming on a computer and I went up and sat on started to interview and Nick. The guy was like everything. Okay. And I was like. Ground and he's like, what? And I was like playoffs. It's like pretty crazy, like they're going to be Boston and he was like, okay, and all the crowd is laughing at me and I was like, you know. And so we're continuing interview and I keep looking over at the monitor guy who's like I told them to fill me in right now. I keep looking over at him and he, he keeps going. Shake, Dallas is shaking his head, shaking my head that look at the monitor guys going, you know, they scored and then I'm like, okay, continued interact. I keep looking over. He's like shaking his head again, like they scored. And then finally it was over when he he's like tied it and I was, I looked at the crowd and I was like they tied it, and then I finished the, there was an intermission. I walked down stairs just as overtime and just watch them lose. And then I came back upstairs, fishy interview, and I was like, yeah, they lost. In real time, I was like stoked on air of the moving on and then just like everybody else in the city. I went back on just devastated and there's somewhere live performance of me playing song after that, which with just a little bit more sadness than they're usually as. The other great story Dallas told was it was it was baseball related, and that is that you were in the crowd when Batista did the bad flip and the bed story. That was we're doing Wednesday and Hakka that night. It was auto at Columbus. So Batista hits his whole run in the seventh inning. While we're in the warm up and Texas comes to bat in the eighth down now. So they've already had that grating where the Jays won the series. Remember I tweeted out now that nothing else is going to happen and the baseball game. On our network. So nothing gonna happen. The baseball game. You're get ready for Ottawa. Columbus, and people are even tweeting me from Ottawa going. I'm the biggest senators fans alive, and I'm not watching this. Watching this game tonight. It was such an interesting thing to be a part of because I was there with my wife and to my best friends and to go from being so confused by the error with the ball hitting. And then I went from this motive confusion to like Ono. Now I have to get my wife out of the building. You know what I mean safely because of the booth Rohan started building them thinking myself. If they lose this game on this crazy air that no one's ever seen is going to be scary. And then the elation of when he hits home run. Like, I don't know if that I'll ever experienced anything like that. I was years of not just that baseball team, but that was years of that market's frustration, yes, all coming out and that's wing. I have arguments with people and people wasn't just baseball. That wasn't always moment. I've had arguments people since an, I'm sure once I say this people will start being very angry with me, but for my generation that Homer is bigger than. Joe Carter homerun. It's funny. We used to have debates Allah Mars homerun was actually big. Yeah. Okay. This generation? I totally because in my head it's like, just because I was twelve years old. I saw it happened. It was great, but I was like, you know, they'd won that there before and the things at stake. I feel like like you said, Jeff, like for the city for the for just a fan base who had had no sense of victory for so long market have been a punching bag. Beautiful punching bag at every single sport. Yeah, for years, all of it came out on that sway really did the swing. The flip the standing there, all of it. There was a beautiful article the next day I forget what publication was in, but it said Jose. Batista stops Toronto from burning and I truly believe it. I feel like there would have been some damage done instead I walked outside and everyone walked outside and everyone was high fiving. We didn't win the World Series, but there was just something about that sewer there, many athletes who ential players are stuff that you know our fans of your music or anything like that. Yeah. I've been lucky enough to to meet a bunch and and become budge with a couple too. Which is. So are we talking about here. Well, I would say the first guy that I became pals with that that I, where the the sort of that that realization that a lot of these kids that from Canada that are younger than me, but sort of grew up when I, my music has been kind of, you know, somewhat prominent was cow Quincy. Oh, yeah. The Red Wings we played. There's a venue there that we play all the time, and I got Motor Company and said one of the one of the Red Wings here. I'm me in a couple of my guys to our big sports fans, especially a couple of one of my. My guys at tours is just the most massive hockey fan and I was like, bring up, you know. So I- Quincy comes back and he's like, you know, we're, we're hanging or whatever. And I'm like, where are you from? He's from Orangeville. I'm like, Orangeville and my buddy buddy. With me who's the biggest hyphen is also from Orangeville no way. I was like, this is juice quince. So we became good buddies. Like, you know, he's as his journey kind of went on like when I was living in Nashville, he came when he was playing with the devils. I've leave, we want for dinner. And I guess most recently like me and. Mitt Hopi of become pals. And how'd that happen again? He's he's just a kid from rural scotch one who grew up listening to me and his people got in touch with me one time like asking if I wanted to come see the capitals play the Leafs and I couldn't earn. Maybe it was when he was playing with the world juniors, this was a while ago, but didn't happen. And then months down the line, like our schedules linked up and we just kind of. Stanley Cup party? I didn't, but he, I don't know if you'd like me telling the story, but I'll tell it anyway. Could have. No, it's just, you know, the capitals played Nashville. I've a couple stores book but a Nashville last year and it's okay that I can tell the story because they ended up. Okay. Okay. Absolutely. So he was laying out our, he was like, I was like, hey, man, I'm, you know, I'm at home like I'm in Nashville, come to the game musical tickets, and I had a couple of my guys that plane. Alexis on fire with me, stay at my house. So I was like, we'll go see hockey game. So hopefully four tickets go down and he lets six goals and his pulled, but in the middle of the second. And I'm like, oh, no. Stay stay, wait till like talk to him after this. Any like just really hit. We're gonna, wait, whatever we waited, and then afterwards he comes up and like. Yeah, tough game. And he's like hockey. Yeah. Next time I'll put on a better show for you, and I was like, okay, you're okay with it. M nesia a goal and then holy couple months later, Stanley Cup party. Yeah, but he's a, he's a great guy and become friends with him and his wife, and he sent me photos of him with the Cup in Westminster and sitting beside a fireplace in Coosa guitar with the cups. I don't know. I was like, that's pretty great. Man. I'm sure once upon a time text back and say, that's pretty good, but I bet you I can play better Cousteau Qatari. Yes. You stick to your day job at the park about show now that you've ever had one, but how hard is it? Well, one of the skills you need to develop as a train musician. Like I got to put that in roof, your mere. Yes. I have an I have a bit of a a bit of glass, half empty kind of guy already, right when I have a bad show. It does affect me pretty seriously, but I have learned. I need everybody to is with me now knows that I need about five. I about need about thirty minutes just to they call me. My wife gave me an incredible sulk. So that the only way incredible here. So like everybody stays away free and they came up with this joke where they pretend to shoot a tranquilizer dart at me. Put me out for half an hour. I saw I do and I probably want her. I want to be good for myself every night. I want it to be because I'm doing this thing that I love more dearly than anything, and I'm I'm lucky to be able to do that. The thing is I've had. I've had not to sound cheesy but minimus on greater. So I've had life changing moments on stage. I've had the best moments of my life on stage. So when you don't have that, it can be a little bit disappointing. You know, it's not gonna happen every night, but knowing that that's possible. You put a lot on your shoulders. But then like I said earlier, like, you know that you just get up and you try it again. And sometimes it works. Sometimes it just okay. You know, one of the things that really touch a lot of people was your performance of Cajun Juneau's and I know you're very close with Gordon. He's all those beautiful moment and beautiful rendition about song. A lot of other bands and musicians of have covered, aren't Kelly did a wonderful job of bump Cajun as well every oh, statics. I know you're close with Gordon. That last tour was one of the strongest things. I think we've ever seen anyone in this country. Do. I don't think he'll ever see it again. It was remarkable, and I remember that last show was the last day of the Olympics. To me, it's one of those. Where were you when moments for Canadians and we're, my family was in my wife, aren't you? Kids were in England is going flying the next day to meet them last year. The Olympics got off set at five o'clock and drove home just me and my dog and just sat there with a with a box of tissues. Mom passed away, brain cancer small much gourd, and it was a strange feeling. It was almost like watching someone perform at what almost felt like his own funeral in some ways to watch like that strength and that grace and that Voltairian smile that he had was remarkable to your earlier point. We're never going to see anything like that. Again. I don't know if you'll ever see anything like that, and I don't know that we've ever seen any like that in the history of of the world with a band or group of people a country. You know what I mean? I don't mean to overdramatize it, but a truly think that there's the relationship they had with the people of this country went so far beyond just the idea of music and listener. Musician, listener. It was, yeah, just some idea. Why don't you know always the tragedy have unique in that, you know, there's, you know, once you guys who look like traditional can rock dues cranking out, you know, five, Greg is three chords twenty-seven grade songs. Meanwhile hears this poet onstage who's singing Shakespeare. Well, everyone, the audience is drinking most necks, where beer hats? Well, the most unique financial performer band crowd, I think ever seen it was a combination of those of of them being able to appeal to just about everyone on some level, whether it was the most necks hockey fan who loved listening to Gord sing about hockey or just the kid who loves English and studies, poetry, and Gord HUD. The ability to convey all of that in the songs and the songs were beautifully written. And I think it was just sort of this perfect concoction of appeal, but beauty and again, it's it's one of those things where it's, I feel like the idea of saying it's indescribable is an okay way to explain because it's I remember reading an interview with downy once and he talked about this was after came over which he talked about songwriting and he said, I write into moods bloom and brewed. And to me, I'll always be haunted by grace to, and I'll always love not a disaster because there's no sing along chorus. It goes from a and there's that story that you follow on. There's no room to pause and chorus together. Haunting my favorite song is locked tranquil carton. Yeah, because it's like I like love the there. You go. Like thousand single that you know, they say. Relationship, we think we think about there's so many like mysteries and all I still I keep going back. I have no idea what Chris is about my whole life trying to figure it out. And that's the best part about music. You just take whatever you need from it. You know like I'm a perfect example of that based on the fact that I write songs almost ninety percent of the time are just about something that's going on in my own head that I need to get myself through, and I do it for myself. But then you just hope that someone else will listen to it and take what they need from, or they can identify with it or you know, like I can write songs about my mother and someone can listen to that and say that song got me through this and it's like they don't know my mother, but just something about the song they're able to grasp onto it. And I think that's the most beautiful part about, but music that it's like that there's the reason I love sports is what kind of what is because of the competition and is because the I love seeing those guys and girls go, I'm better than you approve. Right now. I love that. Also. I love music for the antithesis of that is that there's no right? There's no wrong just feeling, you know, I think that's something special. Here's my last question for you. You could sing the national anthem at just one sporting event. What would it be. Well, as a lifelong diehard Tronto raptors fan, I would have to say if the raptors over got to the championship. The NBA fire there was like a game seven, and it was in Toronto. I would love to sing the national and then hopefully they would win because if they lost, I would be constantly Christmas. We lost it. We lost it before. The anthem goddess Dow's pull the Carl Lewis and. You're going to do that. You know last one here. If presto your the Commissioner of the NHL right now, Dallas and you could change one thing about the game, what would it be. Jeez. Such any level at India? No, it's such a tough question because what, how play the culture around at anything? Well, I would probably get in trouble by a lot of fans. But I mean, I am one of those guys who maybe on a softy I still have are fighting. I understand. I've had friends who were the enforcers. Yep, on the team. But I guess as a mental health guy, who, like I said, uses music to get through my own crap and to see what the fighting has done to a lot of those players. I would probably try to to better job of clearing that up. I fight with that because I understand the role. I understand how much it's meant to the game as a grownup. I can't philosophically justify fighting in hockey. I know, but sports is what your head knows and what your heart like, and there's I'm stuck in between. I know I said the idea of being stranded in a tradition or stranded in tradition that may not be the right one. Yep. And I think that would be something that I would maybe. But again, you know, that's one pin twenty because on my desk at home in my home office, I've got a Alan watts. Again, just quote, talk to Japanese Kanji. It says unlearn something daily good. Something I've always tried to approach everyday with just forget everything that you know be open, you know, being being empty Cup and you can do that intellectually. But I don't know what happens. Exactly when I see two guys tropic loves at center ice. Well, that's exactly and that's why not anymore. I can't intellectualize can't, and you don't know what it's like to be in that position. You don't know what it's like to wanna do that for your team. You don't know what it's like to be? Yeah, it's easier for us to say, just stop punching each other or stop hitting of that harder, but it's I get it. You know, I understand your point of view. Yeah, before let's go Dallas, new album coming on. Yes, it's a called guide me back home and it's I did a really long Canadian extensive Canadian to her last year and a lot of small towns and played all over the place place. It never been to places I'd always driven past and wanted to play, and we recorded every show and then sort of whittled it down to this one live record trying to represent a song from just about every town. Awesome. We'll fill Nova Scotia to Surrey to corner of Newfoundland. So it's like a love letter to the country and to the people who've given me this paternity to sing and play my Qatar for them. Nice what a perfect way to end it. Bella. Thanks so much for spending probably more time than you thought Eliot. Thanks so much for doing this me. I was jump at the chance to talk about sports. What a wonderful conversation with Dallas green, think Dallas for stopping by the podcast today? One of how they're Sagan as well of the Dallas Stars, our producer Emile delegates wanna think our sponsors as well and your thoughts on our two guests today, Tyler Sagan, and Dallas green questions. Elliott freedom in that never thought would be asked of him. I was saying, and it goes back to what we talked about the beginning of the podcast, right? So the last thing we asked him about in the interview is the new marketing thing is going to be doing, and if you're the Dallas Stars, you care more about his hockey now that you've given eighty million dollars to him. But I think it goes to what we talked with the beginning of the podcast, and that is that here's a guy who's probably gonna step out a little bit clothing line stuff like that says, I can't beat peaky sue ban, but maybe I can come in second. I think the game needs that I'm a big supporter of that. My eight year old hold on a second. I've got talk like a. Hockey dad, my two thousand ten. My two thousand and ten is a big color Sagan fan. You know why founded on YouTube on dude, perfect, Jamie van, how say as a kid and they're like doing crazy stuff with hockey and mascots on the ice and shooting doughnuts and things. And he thought it was a coolest thing in the world. Next thing I know we're at pro hockey life and he wants to tell their Sagan t-shirt. And that moment boom became a toddler Sagan fan, and he's also right handed shot with things. That's cool. You're right, like they're different entry points into hockey. Absolutely ads for Dell's green. You know, you never know what to expect. It's so funny, like my wife used to be an entertainment media and she would say to me, I cannot believe the questions you ask some of these guys. I go, what do you mean? She goes in entertainment media. If you asked anything like sports, people ask athletes, we would never get to talk to these guys again, like they are the most shielded or really all. Yeah, and their publicist can v are things great or really great your thoughts. That's basically what it comes down to. You cannot ask them. Why cannot ask them a remotely? Tough question. So you never know what you're going to get. The thing with Dallas is like, you know, I love like some of the stuff about hold be, you know, I mean, the gaurd down stuff that you asked him was phenomenal. Yeah. The advice gave my son about drumming and stuff like that. But also these named after Dallas, green like love that. I remember I can remember that World Series like I'm a huge baseball fan. I can remember a lot of that World Series like it was yesterday, like I loved George bread, like until he ruin the Blue Jays in nineteen eighty five. I love George Brett and Kansas City. One of the famous plays in that series was they hit a pop up account of the candy hitter was and Bob Boone dropped it, and Pete Rose is backing him up and he caught it. And I remember that like it was ten tug McGraw. Who was is that's Tim mcgraw's dad and like, you know, he names for all of his pitches a Bo, Derek fastball, and they asked him why called it? It's it's a phrase you can't you that you could use them that you can't use now, but I remember that World Series like it was yesterday and the fact that you know he's named after Dallas, green, I love the Dallas. Green was a big heart. Ask to. Because that Philly team was tough. It was. It was Pete Rose. It was Mike Schmidt was tug McGraw was Steve Carl? There were a lot of tough personalities on that team saying, they fired their previous manager Paulo because he was too nice. So I'm fascinated by that. I tried to name our second child after my two favorite characters from jaws Brody. Brody and Quint. Yeah, and my wife was having none of it. Yeah. So I got Brody and she compromise with Quinn Brody Quinn. But I watched like we're not naming our child few to favor, Karen jaws Sewri shawl was great. Fantastic. Delivered the bomb. Susan's. Next week season starts next week, big doubleheader on Wednesday, trauma police in the Montreal, Canadians, followed by the Calgary Flames and the Vancouver Canucks I ask you something sure what percentage of words you think we will combine for on that show working with Doug MacLean, Brian Burke. I'm gonna get the welcome back and we'll be right back, but I think that might be all I get to is going to be like sixty three percent. Doug is going to Duggleby right in their dog will be defending his thirty three percent figure you and I will get to each. I'm telling you, I'm like, welcome back and we'll be right back. That's all I got. The nice thing about it is one of the things we never get a chance to hear this, a failing of media hockey. Anyhow, GM's talk to each other. When do we get new for gentlemen, Dr those on draft floor, whether it's very GM's meetings, never get a chance to do that. Get chance to hear that we will Wednesday. That'll be fun. All right. Thanks downloads. 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Uh-huh. Got to keep current current turn. Turn. Ten nine eight seven six five four three two one ten twenty thirty forty ten nine hundred seven six five four three two. And we're back. Thank you so much for all the tweets, the messages, the encouragement, the winner, you guys coming back messages in tweets. We appreciate all of them. Welcome to the second season of thirty one thoughts. The podcast brought to you by the all new two thousand eighteen GMC Sierra Denali Elliott's beardless one. Let's begin this year's podcast by sort of doing what we finished up with last season thirty one teams and where they are at the school division. By division. We'll start in the Pacific, whereas Anaheim outright. Now. I think they're kind of trying to figure all that out. They've they've had a really interesting summer. Patrick eases back skating, Ryan Kesslers back skating, but they don't know when these guys are going to play. I thought Kessler Eric Stevens at a really good story about how they're trying to be honest with each other. But when he can play in when he can't and Ryan beyond with us, if he can't play, don't play. They've got what I understand is a really difficult behind the scenes contract negotiation with Nick Ritchie. I understand that the dachshund, the agency there, Newport that has not been an easy negotiation, and also the Jacobs silver bird sign is a UFA, always stealth, Selke trophy. And you know, that's an interesting one and they're trying to change their culture. They're trying to become faster that trying to change the way they do things. I liked the fact that they went after that. This is one of the teams I'm sitting there and I'm saying, Jeff, I don't know what to expect from these guys this year, but I'm looking forward to seeing what that is. Be someone new on d. whether it's Larsen, whether it's Patterson, like there's gonna be some newness back there, but there is though. Great. Thank you very much. As is they're starting netminding to me. The big questions around Anaheim is who's gonna score the goals, and to your previous point, is this team fast enough and you circle one player. When you ask those questions, where's Corey? Perry ad? I think they're all wondering that same thing too. I could see a real situation where if it doesn't work, this is Corey Perry's last year with the ducks interesting. There was one player last year, the draft that I was fascinated by and even loved him as a top ten guy. He didn't have going top ten Anaheim drafted him in the first nonetheless. And that was Isaac, Linda's from from Sweden, loved them, sort of Patrice Berge around late style player and at camp. This Texas someone from Anaheim. And I said, house lend us from doing Elry ju the response. He has been excellent. I would be dying to play on his line. If I was a winger quiet confidence funding, he's going to play this. Season, but Linda's from down the line, you're going to hear plenty of Anaheim it. Was that Bob Murray? No, that was not Bob. Was there any Carlisle? I am. You know what? Speaking of Randy Carlisle's this last year deal. I think it might be. I have to check, whereas Anaheim with Randy Carlyle. Okay. From the Anaheim, ducks the Pacific. Let's go to Arizona. Welcome in Alex called Chen yak. Welcome in Vinnie, stroz and welcome all ackman Larson his captain every year. I do thing. It's if I had any guts. I'd pick this team to win the Stanley Cup final or if I had any guts, I'd pick this team to make the playoffs and errors Ona's and grew be this year. Yeah, I think they're good. They can be Colorado slash New Jersey. I think they're good. I think there are a lot better. I mean, it all depends on if ranson Kemper can hold the fort down. Goaltending is everything. I like the moves they've made. I think they're better. You know, it's a really engine division. I think they're better. I think San Jose is really good. I think Vegas is still really good. I think Calgary is better. When you say interesting, do you mean jump ball because we don't know really, who's good or whose bad in that. Florida's thing who's good, I think San Jose really good. I think they are saying, like, you know, you're I go, I waffle on all the teams that Pacific, let's say, I think San Jose is really good. I think Calgary should be good, and I think Arizona is better than we give them credit for. And I know a lot of people are expecting Vegas a drop off. I think they're still really good. They lost Neil. They picked up ready Vegas and Stazzone. Yes, but I don't know what to make valet. I don't know what to make Anaheim. I don't know what to make of Edmonton, and we think Vancouver's not very good. So I see three or four teams this year and that division. Like if you said to me, you have to bet a thousand dollars on how these teams are going to do. Man. I would have no idea not a chance, not it's no, I d ah, I think. Arizona is a playoff team by there's a lot there that I don't know how much stock do you put in what we saw from Arizona. The end of the season last year they got the goaltending they got like it looked like a different team when the starter came back, is that the real Arizona or do you say to yourself? You know what? They're so far out of it. Anything they do is fool. Scold, Craig Simpson was always a big guy in that you'd be careful of teams who do well when they're done. And you know, when I used to cover not the NBA but major league baseball, that means back. That's right. When I used to cover a major league baseball, that was one thing. Even the organizations would say, you know, you come out and say, look, we went twenty two in September, and we've got to sell tickets because the rest of the year was so bad, but he doesn't really know behind the scenes like you gotta be careful about that. I just look at their roster. They're pretty deep. I think guilt Shenyang being at a Montreal. He should be alive better. I'm a big Clayton Keller guy. I know it's still early in his career, but does it feel to you because it kind of does to me like it's make break for Dolan Strom. I do agree with that. I think he's getting to a point Rouge guys show. He's an h. l. player not necessarily as a Centerman, but even as a winger he need to stick with the team this year, the big squad just someone I think they're better. But again, that division, I have no idea what that division is going to be like the same team. I wouldn't be surprised that they got seventy points or they got a hundred and ten points. Calgary one of those teams, let's go there out. Dougie Hamilton out Michael Furlan out Adam FOX in a Hannifin and who else came in Lynn home comes in and guys. Well, James, James, Neal. But I think as important as that is, I thought their third and fourth lines last year really got caved in times they look slow, especially as the season went on, I think Czarnecki and Derek Ryan or two guys like that. First game they played in China, and I know it could have been foggy because it was the middle of the night, but I really thought they made them look faster. And I think in that division you have to be fast to be successful and Bennett look good this morning, but you know, he looks like a fourth line guy right now in terms of where they're going to play them. So I'm curious to see where he's going to be. I think Calgary's should be a better team. I mean, Lindholm is going to be a big one and also Hannifin and I'm told that he felt he was angry that Carolina felt they weren't gonna pay him. It's got a bit of a chip on his shoulder. That's never a bad thing. Not that the two are green bananas, but you know what you're getting with Dougie Hamilton, I still maintain he's one of the top fifteen defenseman in the NHL and these surrendered that for no Hannifin. Which you still not sure about then home that you're still not one hundred percent sure about. Are you sure about those to do you know who those two are? Because we know Dougie Hamilton is the up handed Moy and by that they devalued me with the best pair in the entire NHL Dougie Hamilton and Mark. Sure. Dano is there enough coming back for certain to say, this was a good. Trail dog or you can't say for certain, but they're taking a gamble right in everything is again, but in in, here's the thing is I was at the coaches site coach's clinic in Toronto last summer. It was. I really loved it. I, I learned a lot there and Glenn gallatin was one of the speakers, and he said that the two best one timing defenseman in the NHL are Brent burns and Dougie Hamilton. That's a big weapon that Calgary is losing. So I just show, Jeff, I'm reading gridiron genius. That's the Michael Lombardi book about Bill Belichick and and I did a lot of reading this summer about what makes people successful organisations successful. And you know the number one thing that a lot of people talked about was culture. And in this book, Lombardi invalid talk a lot of culture and they say you don't get everything right. Like they said, we got a lot of things right and talks about Aaron Hernandez and how they obviously completely missed, whatever was going on there. Again, I am not blaming Dougie Hamilton for this. I am not going with this whole museum things. I don't think that was the issue here, but. Whatever happened in Calgary, there was something missing. They didn't have it, and I'm a big believer in it. I think for a team to be successful, you have to have it. You have to have a culture that pushes your whole to get better. I looked at Calgary, Jeff, and I said that is a team that is less than the sum of its parts, and I'm not saying Dougie Hamilton was the reason, but I think that they looked at the Duggan Freddie thing and they said, if we want to change, this is the player we can trade that will allow us to make a sizable enough change because the return will be good enough for him. Is it just a coincidence that perhaps Calgary lost which you're talking about it when Matthew truck got hurt, I do think that Matthew could Chuck brings it, and I think James Neal brings it to, and I admit I have never really been certain what to make of James Neal for a lot of his career. You know, he's a guy that he's unbelievably confident. Thirty player, but he's good like James Neal is good, and I wrote in thirty one thoughts last week. I chance to talk to Bill Belmar about him. And I said, you know, when you got to Vegas, you know who I was questioned. Who was a guy that you didn't know? You know, man, this guy's a real jerk and and then you met them and you're like, wow, like totally different. And he laughed. He said, like, I'm not a hockey nerd like most guys. So I had to Google of these guys and he said, you know, James Neal, like he carries himself like a superstar at the beginning. I didn't know what to make of him, but as we got better, his message was important. He was important, and I think that's what Calgary when I went to get is I think Calgary looked at their issues and said, we are missing something here and it's whatever you have that makes us. They were less than some of their parts and they went out guys not only make them better on the ice, but we're trying to make them bear in the sum of their parts are eight, their provincial rivals. They are the Edmonton Oilers. Who are pretty inactive during the off season and that raise a lot of eyebrows considering they didn't qualify for the playoffs with Connor make David resentments, and. You know, I think a lot of it's going to be Cam Talbot, you know, as you the Cam Talbot of two years ago as the Cam Talbot of this past year by think they're hoping for much more of column a I thought Darnell nurse really came on the, but there's a lot of guys, Talbot, cleft Bonn was thirteen goals. Two years ago he got hurt last year. Larsen was a top defensive pair and a really good playoff run two years ago. He was not the same guy last year, and then we found out what his dad's way on dry Seidel and I know dry Saidles points were good, but for the first half of the year, he was not the same guy because of the injury and you seem to these wasn't himself. I can understand why play with condoms gave it. Everybody wants sinema gave it, but anytime I talked to anybody had been, they'd say, Leon really wants to play with, but and that's where he is most comfortable and even mcdavid last year like that flew sucked the life out of earlier in the season that game against Dallas. Even though he was really good looking like death on the bench. I liked the Toby reader gamble. I think that is a good gamble to take even like the chase on gamble. I think that's a good gamble. I don't know. You know where he is at this point his career, but I think you know a guy who comes from Washington and kinda give himself some new blood last year. I like that. I actually, I don't know what to make these guys, Jeff. I really rods in special teams. We're in issues, specifically penalty. Killing he comes in is one of the best penalty killers. I like the fact that mcdavid saw how bad their power play light was last year and says, I got you. I got to become a better shooter. I gotta shoot more. I think even they think they are still missing something. Yeah, wingers it's whether maybe even d and maybe one more day. Yeah. Is the market out there for them? Was the market out there for them in the offseason? Well, they're tied to the cat. Obviously Pearson. I said they wanted to be non Carlson for a year, but he wasn't going there next batch ready. He wasn't signing an extension there. I just look at them and I say, I don't know. Here's a team that I see. I don't know about, although I'm sort of getting warm to the, I don't think they're going to be very good. I mean, that's just the bias have about players now that are getting deep into the thirties, the Los Angeles Kings and incomes, Leah Kovalchuk at thirty five last Cup, two thousand fourteen everybody. There is just one year older. Oh, I'm with you. There team wants to get faster and goal, which is not gonna, make them faster. Tell you the biggest concern I had this week was reading Jeff Carter's quotes his ankle about his ankle. He is hugely important to that teaser. And if he's worried about where his tendon is going to get to be, that's a concern for them. Like you heard Anaheim say, we have to change the way we play. And I think the kings are a team that has invested in changing the way they play hockey to over the last year. I think they have worked at that again. I, I wonder if they're going to be were Anaheim news year ago, realizing they're a step too slow. I mean, to fully has to be huge for Pearson has to be huge. I love follow. I really like him as a find in a guy that can play for them. You know, Petar has got the exact same thing, two seasons in a row. But you know, coach is going to be great. You know, Dow is going to be great. I'm just worried about, are they going to be fast enough? You know, it's gonna be great doubt. He's going to be great. You know, Jake Muslims gonna continue to be one of the more underrated defense. To a bad year, but you know, I can't imagine he didn't do everything to make sure that that wasn't going to happen again, Vegas these story of hockey last year. Maybe these story of sports last year. One hundred and nine points. Stanley Cup, final appearance, the lose Neil. They lose Peron, pick a patch ready. They pick up staff knee, whereas Vegas out and going to get to in a second. I think the thing about Vegas it's really interesting is, is that they had it last year. They had that special thing that we talked about earlier about Calgary, they had it now. Is it for them a high shooting percentage? Well, I mean, it's all part of that, but they had a special group. They played for each other ship on your show, and also you know what happened opening night the way they rallied around like they had it, they had it. They've tinkered with that this year. Like I can't imagine that what they gave patch ready was much different than they were willing to give James Neal, but James Neal was. Isn't willing to take something close to that. I do believe the difference between Vegas and Calgary was that fifth year Vegas was not willing to go to five years. So James Neal decides to go there having a contract battle with Shaef the door right now as we record this, they tinkered a little bit with it. And does that change what they had that was so special? It's tough to come back with the identical team though. Like there's two different philosophies. One, if any broke don't fix it. Come back the exact same crew. And then the other philosophy of Rosser composition is changed. Fifteen percent every season? Yep. Mandatory change, fifteen percent so it doesn't get stagnant. I don't know what the right answer is for Vegas because last year was such a freak. I just don't know. Yeah, and the top contract battle with Carlson to up that one's been going on for a while. You never know how player on a team are going to react to that. Does he understands just business? Does he take person. Really. I mean, there's all of these questions, but I think they are good. The some people say they're not gonna make the playoffs here. I find that hard to believe. I think they're going to make the playoffs this year, but I do wonder if it is still going to be there. I'll tell you something else. I think if Mark stone does hit the market, I think they're going to a big player for him. You know, long history him and Kelly mccrimon Nate Schmidt, twenty game suspension p. e. these by the way before we get into the specifics of this one, and I'm not casting aspersions on anybody, but you know, it would be refreshing and I wonder how it would go over just once and we'll just use nature as an example. Just once at, you know what? I would love for someone to say, I did it after getting caught or or part of that. But the reason for it, let's just say h mitt gets caught twenty games. PD's popped, come out, take responsibility for the, I did it because I will do whatever it takes to win a Stanley Cup. I wanna bring a Stanley Cup to Vegas so bad, and we were. So close. I will do anything to bring a Stanley Cup to this market. Would the reaction be if a player said that as their justification? I think a lot of people would imply I think, but I would think that the long answer would be in the short term. A lot of people to applaud it. I think a league would have no choice, but to ask for tougher drug testing. If a player said that. Do you find it bizarre that in a sport where there are seven hundred fifty of the best athletes in that sport, competing for millions and millions of dollars with a career difference between wearing your name on the back of your uniform and the front of your uniform. Is small is small that they've only caught a couple of players using to enhance their performance. My first thought is the best thing for drug testing for the NHL. We'd be catch twenty guys that would be the best instead of just Sean hill. I am a big believer that the cheaters are always ahead of the testers I'm with you. And you know, to be honest, if you really are a user and you know what you're doing and you probably have somebody that would, you know, you know, basically when you could be tested pretty much like you know that there's a certain amount of time that they can test you in the summer. We see the the book coming up this summer. I mean, give it to make sure you give it to the guys in the fourth innings. What's gone by the seven? Yeah, you can do that. And I believe that's one of the NHL arguments like they should make chemo instead. I was caught with trace amounts and seven parts per million, and that's nothing and absolutely it's nothing when I I said that I was like, you know, really like, that's what we're going over here. And buddy of mine to play. Devil's advocate says, he's a lawyer. He said, if I worked for the NHL I would say, well, that doesn't necessarily mean we're not coming to the end of getting out of your system. And that's probably with Nanteuil argued now, apparently nobody will confirm this, but Nate Smith argued that he ate contaminated meat. I think it was cow meat. I don't know again, nobody will confirm this, but nature mid argue that he ate contaminated meat, and that's how we got it. And I heard what the arbitrator said was, well, whatever's in your system is not natural. It's synthetic. And are there examples of where this has happened before? And I was told that whatever they provide as examples did not convince the arbitrator that that was enough to overturn the fact that this was in his system. Now the other issue and I do believe this is going to become a collective bargaining issue, Jeff? Is that in certain situations, I other testing. The amount that's in your system matters and the there are some tests that other leagues that Schmidt were to participate in where that number would not have all positive line. So I do believe you'll see the players association coming in, say, we want certain standards or thresholds that they don't have now. Now it's in or out. This was in a situation where it's an elevated level of doctrine drone, which is produced naturally in the body. This is something that is foreign to the body not naturally produced in, hey, you know, we caught you with these this toss Rome replacement therapy, and we caught you using estrogen blockers. Mcgivney on the blocker, assuming you're getting, you know to your t. injections. This is something foreign to your body that was in there. That's what I was told. And again, nobody will confirm it, but that's I was told my believe source. How does it hurt Vegas on the ice, not having h. He's a hell of a player. I mean, you know, after twenty games of rest, he's gonna come out. Like a fireball out of the chute when it comes to they're getting a free player after twenty game. Again, a free player after twenty games and his statement I thought was excellent. It was shocking to be informed that I tested positive for a microscopic amount of eighteenth substance. Not only did they not intentionally take a banned substance. I could not have received any performance enhancement benefit from the trace amount that inadvertently got into my system. This low amount was consistent with environmental contamination that I could not possibly have prevented. While I support having a strong performance enhancing substances program in place for our sports. It is difficult to accept this suspension. Adding quote, I will not accept being labeled a cheater, you know, he did everything. He can to argue it. And certainly, I believe public sentiment is on nature Smith side that he is saying that I didn't do this. I'm neither cheater, this is how it. Happened, you know, hor Cobb was another guy took all the responsibilities, so this is totally my fault. But as I said to someone, you know, why didn't you take his explanation? And they said to me for an arbitrator, it's law, it's black or it's white, and he couldn't get far enough into the white if you were an athlete. Yep. Few played in the NHL. Would you use? I would like to sit here and tell you right now that the answer is no, and I believe that if I was good enough to get there, I think the answer would be no, but I look at the concussion debate Jeff, and people say, oh, if I had a concussion, I wouldn't play and on. I am not like that. Like I looked at James Nealon evangelist year when he refused to go off the bench. And I have always said that if that was me and I really thought I could play and I was in game five of the Stanley of final we're about to lose. I'm not going anywhere. I'm saying nobody is getting me. Off that bench. You will have to take me off that bench industry jacket at gunpoint. Like if it was something that really mattered to me. Then you're not getting me out of there. So I'm not going to tell you that I will always do the right thing. Like I had a friend who was really close with a guy who was a fringe major league baseball player and he couldn't make it. This was the heyday of the steroid era, and he started using and he got in for a couple of years. And he said it was the hardest decision I ever had to make that didn't involve my family because I was going from a clean player to a cheater, and he said it got me two years of major league baseball who said to me, it was worth it. He said, the hardest thing was looking people in the eye who he knew wasn't using. And I agree with that. Like Jeff, if you and I were both fringe NHL hours and I got in because I use a new, you didn't. I would have trouble looking you in the eye, but it doesn't mean that I wouldn't do it. See I when the Nate Smith. Thing happened the Sean hell before that Sean, her cough, all of it. Anytime a an athlete gets pops. I always say to myself, what would I have done if that were me? And I'll tell you Elliott, if I were that close to making the NHL or even playing in the NHL and one of the keep my spot, I'd be a pharmacy. I know that for a fact about myself, I would probably do it and that's why don't cast aspersions on any of these guys get caught. I don't like to tell other people what to do, but I get Jeff, I totally get it at my understanding. Like, listen, I understand we trespassing top, look, I want to do anything. It takes they if that really is like, that's it. I'm working for contract after contract. I'm working for the Stanley Cup. I understand all that. And I understand that that Dr king get you to do other things to achieve that goal, which is why I never cast India's version than don't look at players. Oh, that's a black Mark on their career. I don't. I don't look at them that way at all. You know, especially Jeff, if you have a tough family situation like you have a hundred percent. First of all, if you're an athlete, there's a limited. Amount of time you're going to be able to make that money anyway. And Secondly, if you have a child or a loved one who needs extra care because of any medical situation or condition they have, I get it. I get it, but I would tell you, like again, the toughest thing for me would be to look in the eyes of someone who I know wasn't using was losing their job to me. That would be the hardest thing for me. Fair point. I would hate that. All right. We continue San Jose, Sharks, everybody. Thanks for taking the time for being here. I'll keep my comments brief because I think we'll do a name a little bit. So this is really the official welcoming of Eric and Melinda Carlson to to our organization, and we're excited to add them tour organization, but also to our community great player obviously. And it speaks for itself, but the work that both Mellon, Eric during the community and their former city is very much appreciated by us. Also, it's rare that this type of player comes available. We've talked to. Difference makers, and we're very fortunate to have a hockey team that Scott several difference makers on it. So I'm sitting here. Waiting for the q. and a. after that we'll get to. But most importantly, I officially get to do this. It's been a long week, and I know it's been probably emotional and tough with what Eric has gone through to to get to this point. But it is my pleasure now to introduce and presented jersey because I know he's gonna look great until to our newest member, Eric Carlson. I. On the west that we're really mad. They were angry Doug Wilson. He's a closer. He's a salesman. He's a great salesman. He gets them any keeps them he gets and then they stay. He knows he's got San Jose, right? He knows he's got San Jose. I can always remember, Craig reveal telling me in the story of going from San Jose to Montreal or Joe's San Jose, and he goes, okay, when does the media come in and Joe Thors that's him as thieves over there. So you go out there and you, you love it. I mean, it's a great place to live. It's expensive, but it's a great place to live screen for your family. Outdoors weather's beautiful. And to is that team like, I'm not surprised of Vander king would go out there and sign not only because they're offering forty, nine million because I mean, look at those guys that is a team that accepts people who are unafraid to be different. As long as you show up and you do the job, they will accept the. Fact that you're not a quote, unquote, typical hockey player, but Wilson's a salesman. He knows what he's got around him and he finds a way to do it. You know, the calm, the dentist when he gets you in the chair and starts talking trade with you. I've another gyms who tell me that the worst feeling in the NHL is when you've got only one team that trade with and that guy is Doug Wilson because you're not getting out of there alive. Like, you know, you're probably going to lose the deal because he can talk his players and make it sound like, boy, you're getting a hell of a prospect here, and everyone else going to say, what like, what are you doing? And that's what happened here. They're going to be outstanding. They're going to be really good. I understood when they pitched Taveras. They told him you're the piece where we are right now. We have to win because you know how much longer they're getting Thornton and pa- velvety healthy and at their best. So he told to Varas your the peace. From what I understand. And I'm sure they said the same thing to Carlson when he met with them. I think they know they're all in and they're going to go out and they're going to get somebody else at some point to maybe a center. They're all in it for this. It's their twenty fifth anniversary. They're hosting the all star game you watch. They're all in this year. I think the first team to be all in this year when you first heard who going the other way for Eric Carlson, where we initial thoughts balsers Norris and the picks and Chris Cherney. What went through your, did you make his Dallas right away? Or did you say. Downplaying. Tell me when you wanna talk about. 'cause I noticed some things you want to say about them. But honestly, Jeff, at the end, I was told there was nobody else as far as what San Jose had to give up to get Eric. Carl, first thing you do is you start asking people, okay. What do we got here in Norris and balsers to. The first thing I thought of is hang on. I'm looking for Tim o. Myers name here and I don't see it. I'm looking for hurdles name and I don't see it about twenty minutes before the trade broke. Somebody told me they heard Meyer was in it, and so I called around in a couple of people told me, don't go with that because he's ninety and I and that was my reaction to. I was like, whoa, there's no. Well, that's gotta be Hartl. Yeah. Like other GM's. When they hear the San Jose like it's got Myers, convenient and I'm like, it doesn't look like the hurdle. I go told it's not him either. Like what. My first reaction honestly was who are these guys in Norris and balsers and how good are they? But you know, you saw ends interview with David the other night and hockey Ville, and I thought peer door and actually explained it pretty well from the seat he was in. We all know when you get to a certain point and it's probably best for all parties to move on and for the benefit of this organization for the benefit of the rebuild for the succession of the rebuild. I think today we made the proper decision. I think Eric wanted to go to place where he was going to have a chance to win, and we acquired the. Quantity and quality pieces that will allow us to have a successful revolt. He had a player wasn't going to sign extension and he was trading a rental and I'm not surprised you're not getting team Almir or hurdle for rental. Now they sign him. Why not? Just wait until there's an injury. I really believe you don't want them in camp. I think the the owner made the call. It's just like what happened with Danny Heatley several years ago showed up a camp near like, this is the end of this. I had heard that Ottawa might have been worried about Carlson's ankle, but I was told that wasn't an issue. All right. We will get to Ottawa. Stay tuned folks. Don't worry may take us a while. Thank Hoover. Let's finish up there in the Pacific Vancouver Canucks is Patterson look, good. I know it's preseason games but well scored that goal against Winnipeg and the of the owner tweeting, hey, looks fantastic. And then he had that great move on Ryan Strom the other night a who's still spinning. I, it's interesting because they're trying them at Santa, right. And you know centers a big responsibility. But boy, you know, like this first couple of weeks is going great. For Vanco. Hoover and their fans are foaming at the mouth and their jars drubbing sir, drop the first two weeks better. Vancouver Cox Dolon looks good, but this is going to be a long season and you know he's going to have is challenges, but he can't start any bear. And you started for Vancouver. True. Okay. To the central Chicago Blackhawks. What are the big questions I guess going in is, what did they do to try to get back to the playoffs? Maybe the sidebar to that is, can they get back to the playoffs with this lineup and see, can they get back to this lineup with Corey Crawford? I think that's going to be really difficult. I think it's a victory for them that he is even on the ice now I'll be honest. I don't know what to make of it. You know, the one thing you have to do and I've learned this over the years is if he can't play and you want insurance to pick up the money and take it off your cap and shrimp. Pay the salary. You have to go through the process. You have to take your physical. You have to try to play. And in a worst case scenario, that's what's going on here that Corey Crawford has has to prove that he can't play. I'm sure he wants to give it another chance to make sure it could work. I just think that the attitude I've got kind of from Chicago is we really hope we can play. We just don't know if we can really count on it. You know, that puts you behind the ball right away. Patrick Kane looks great, taste look great. Those guys have worked at all in the summer canes malls look really good that. Yeah, they do to me. The biggest question is, you know, Duncan, Keith. I never liked to count Duncan, Keith. Get back was killing vital. Yeah, but can he get back there? I think Duncan, Keith, keeping a lot of ways their most important player isn't to be win, the Norris trophy. But if he's not at the top level, can you get there after. Crawford defensive huge issue looks like they're putting Keith back with Seabrook where there once was enormous success. You've talked about Corey, Crawford. What about up front? What about front and where the production is gonna come from? We know what Patrick Kane's gonna do have a pretty good idea of where nationals is going to be up to me on a big ones is which version of Jonathan tapes is coming up this year. Yes. Sawed to think, you know, Saud has to give them a lot. You know, this is an organization that has to restock a little bit. They've traded some of their talented young guys out. Now, I'm really curious to see it. Here's my question. What Chicago is. Is ownership getting impatient, all I was going to get to q. in Bowman, ears. Well, the thing is everybody knows their relationship isn't easy. You know, there have been questions one or the other. Both what I get the sensors from outside that this is an organization is really wrestling with what is our loyal to here, and they should have a lot of loyalty to those guys. They ended up fifty years Stanley Cup drought, and they've won three of them. But I do get the sense Jeff that they are starting to wrestle with that or are wrestling with that. How long are we going to be loyal to this? So what would be the first decision that would it be coach slash, general manager? Would it be player? Would it be fully already giants players from talking the big boys? Well, what you're gonna trade candidates's. Yeah. I know they're walkers, but I mean, if ownership looking down and saying, hey, we're not missing the playoffs again or and we need something big. The guy I wonder about is and this is why I wonder about him. The guy who whose salary you might be able to say to another team you can handle this is Keith's. Oh, for sure. You know, I don't know if he'd want to leave. I don't know if that's if they would even ask them. But I wonder if I was a decent team that needed a guy who could play d- for me and I don't even necessarily need them to be my best e. But what if he was like a second pair guy a number two, three, four d, and it really pains me gold. He's the guy who I'd be scouting this year. Victor Edsall is someone. I mean, we're talking to some players last year at the American Hockey League affiliate, and that was the player. They kept coming back to watch this guy. He's usually the next star of the Chicago Blackhawks meant acid. Deal with Nashville, just a fantastic player, and we'll see if a player like Henry cars, you ends up making the blue line Colorado. The two picks in the first round. One of them courtesy of the Ottawa Senators. They had the top line which is amongst the best in the NHL Elliott. And after that blank, I don't think you ever sit there and say, we want to take a step back, but I think they're one team that is prepared for the possibility of it because I think they really want to find out what they've got. I think they're looking at Kerr foot and they're looking at Joe's and they're saying, what do we really have in these two guys? I heard they were kind of kicking around Mark stone a little bit like them in Vegas, and I don't know if that's true, but the one thing I did here was that the kind of look at it like we really have to find out in addition in Nathan MacKinnon and the guys we've got, we've got to find out. We know we've got McCain and we know we've got Rantanen. We know we've got a bunch of guys here. We've got to find out what we got in these two guys, and I think that's what. They're going to do. And you know the other thing too is they could have a top player drop onto their lap next year from the Ottawa Senators. I think they're sitting there saying were a year away unless they suddenly go gangbusters and decide they really wanna do something. I think they're going to stand Pat and say, we really got to see what we have and one of these two guys, and I'll tell you this too. I've heard Tyson berry stuff because his name's been in and out here. It's totally quiet and Colorado's told everyone, you know, if you're come as a hockey deal because he's getting, he's got two years left and his deal maybe. But other than that, we feel no pressure to do anything like the flip grab our deal. I, that was a real. I think I agree with you. There was a real nice piece of business to, let's get the Dallas, the big one and what a way to announce it on Twitter, the taller Sagan deal what a great and the video catholicos. Fantastic. And so and safe. They are really current, could have done it with like a fortnight. I said, I'll give the old bit guys from the eighty. S? Thank you something here. Give us glaxy something over, repeat fall or whatever it was. Now on that same day, there is all sorts reports. Dallas was going to do two pieces of business and I for Carlson and do the Sagan deal. And I think there was a feeling in Dallas early that day that both those things we're going to happen. So tell me what you heard. So from what I've been able to sort of piece together is it looks like in a measure this against the San Jose package. It looked like Rupa Hinz. It look like Devin shore looked like Julius Hongda and guaranteed picks. So no contingencies on them. Now I heard the Dallas made an offer. I can't say, I heard what you heard, and I don't want anyone to think that this is me casting aspersions on what Jefferson, how dare you, because just got good sources. I heard the Dallas was in it. I heard Dallas and improve their offer. I heard Ottawa which was not at the traverse city tournament, watch Dallas games. They're pretty tight, and I. No, that hints had an unbelievable tournament there. He was really good, and somebody told me that Ottawa had noticed. So that's a lot of circumstantial evidence that I think that you are definitely onto something. I was just told the end of the day, San Jose was the last team left standing. And the only thing I would say Jeff is if that was on the table, Hong Kong hints shore and guaranteed picks. Why did not go that route? Why did not? We'll go that way on. To me, it seems like a better deal, but again, but for shirt, but hang. What does the same time you still dealing with green bananas? We suspect we know how good you know that Hongda maybe still a bit of a green banana in terms of where he is, but at least you have better knowledge you have more than Jerry. Yes, yes. But Hong is the kind of guy you're Ottawa. That's kind of you kind. You should be gambling on unless you're absolutely convinced that he can't play unless you look at it and you say, well, you know, at one hawker do we want Dylan to Mela. We'll take Damola. Do we want Devonshire or do we want Chris Cherney? We'll take Chris Cherney to me. It looks like if that was the Dallas deal does look better if that is indeed what the Dallas deal was every team values players differently? Yup. I don't know where you our Dallas this year. New coach, Tim Montgomery should add about what half a pack per game. Well, they're gonna play the bottom line. There's no question about that. I think they should be good. I'm pro Dallas. That's another team right now. Jeff, we talked about Calgary, not being the sum of their parts Dallas that's dowels to about by title. Andrea just signed today. Level deals saw that or imagine that would be one of the players if you're dealing with auto that they would have asked for, I believe there were two guys. They were told they couldn't have one was Landry and the other was highs near, and now they've got some guys. I think they really want to push the big guys like Dickinson. I just get the sense that they are not hundred percent happy with Jamie van one cents. I just think they feel that he's got more to give like back to Hart trophy Jamie van. I feel they feel that he should be there. Now, the hip thing I think is an issue in Ben has taken pains to shape his body better for Brij. I just get the sense that they're not hundred percent happy with him. What about spots? Him and hitch was a bad fit from day one? Yes. If anybody can get the most out of Jason spicy thing, it'd be like, Jim Montgomery, let them play out. I got a lot of time for Jason spats just as a person. I have an awful lot of time for him, and I hope it goes well for him. One of the players beginning of you who's going to be that breakthrough player who's gonna be that surprise players sort of flown into the radar a little bit. We just waiting to pop. I wonder, product facts that can be that guy loved him. Last year is a sneaky, celery candidate. I real good player. I guess it just depends like there's a lot of guys on that team when you offensive opportunity, right? Yeah, he just might not be in that spot yet. Minnesota where we have a lot of players with a lot of term on their contracts. I think you know if Bruce Boudreaux's never missed the playoffs, he might do the coaching job is career to get there this year. That was a lopsided first round series last year. Like they wanna game guy who made me a big fan was mad Ombu like I thought he was not heh. Healthy. I thought he played really hard. I liked that they're trying some interesting stuff, Greenway, but I know internally they were really disappointed with Nita rider with coil and with protein. You know, they tried to make trades this year package with some of those guys. It didn't work. I think that the the, the concern in Minnesota is that they looked at some guys. They thought we're going to be the big time core of their team for years to come. And now they're not sure that those guys are going to be guys, and that's a tough spot to be in very tough spot. Like I mentioned, the LA kings might be the most average team in the NHL unsure. If I said that about an hour ago when we started this part gas, I put Minnesota right there too. I going to think of teams that are just always curious about who the most average team is in any league and the to the jump out at me in the NHL has been the most average team right now l. a. in Minnesota, like throw k. the good you like. Tumba Alex burgeon, Jason Zuckerberg, their players that I like on them, they'll be like Devon, Dube Nick, but I have a hard time getting them up into that next level or taking him down that significant here and they play in the division of death that's hard and Saint Louis has got a ton better. Yup, that's hard Nashville. LS steel by the way, would you think of that one. Catholic. I remember I was a bit surprised that he's signed because I think he wanted to sign. I really thought the the no trade was going to be an issue there and they got it done. Look, they're phenomenal. They are a really, really good team there. A Stanley Cup contender. The biggest storyline this year is the sorrows become a number one goalie and buck. The trend of you have to be over six foot two to be a starting goaltender nature or his Rene, keep the job or the go and get someone else and can LA Tolkien and help score more goals. I mean, I'm not worried about them scoring goals. They can score legit, Stanley Cup contender. One of the best they have. I think they're all looking at their goaltending and saying, how is this going to sort itself out it the best team in the central Denver Winnipeg. It's the two of them. What about the Saint Louis blues? Let's get there and they were frisky in the off season on rhino Riley, comes in the app, some really outstanding young prospects as well. We talked a lot about the last season certainly towards the end where you out with Saint Louis right now, and it doesn't look good for the goaltending situation. Let's start there. You know, all the talk is about going out and getting O'Reilly and all the things they did like that to me when I watched them. I'm curious about all their kids. You know, we had Thomas last year on the podcast Thomasson Cairo fabric come out the fabric. I'm rooting for that guy. You know, I, I'm rooting for him. I want him to do well guys at the fight to get back. So when I when I see the excitement around the blues, I'd honestly think about in terms of what they traded for. It's what they've got Cummings. I think those guys are really talented guys, like I got the sense talking to people who dealt with the blues that they felt they just got stale and they had to try something different. And they. Sure are. But to me when I look at it as much as O'Reilly is going to excite them for the player, he is. I think that the true excitement is gonna come from the guys who are coming surprised. They've been able to hang onto them. I mean, what everyone comes looking for a trade from the Saint Louis Louis, what he always here while Robert Thomas who endured and Cairo. Well, I think that's just good management. Like, what are you going to give us? That's gonna make you get one of those guys? And is there a magic number for rookies for you for Saint Louis? No, I can't. Can you play both? Jordan Chiron Robert Thomason this line. Okay. L. flip it on your, why can't you? I mean, if you make the team, you make the team, but if you have Stanley Cup aspirations, both. Yeah, but I'm we're coming back from a year with Vegas where we had twenty guys and a team like that. None of them were, but these aren't first year players though. No, I understand that. But like again, I'm going to refer to this Bella check book. I'm reading and one of the things he talks about his Lombardi talks about is he can't fully addressing room, right? Like guys know who deserves to be on the team guys know who don't. Like in Seattle in the NFL. One of the things they talked about. The reason that Richard Sherman had to be traded in that that defense broke up is because they felt that they are protecting Russell Wilson that they weren't being honest with him about the mistakes he was making. You can't fool your dressing room. If Thomas and kyron all those guys deserve to be on the team, then you have to put them on the team. And if after eight ten games, it doesn't work, then you make your change. But I really believe you don't win as an organization, unless you say your players, the best players are going to be here. Playoff him? Yeah, I think so. Like I look at that division. I think Winnipeg in Nashville there in, let's get their Winnipeg Jets. They lose Paul staff need, Josh Morrissey comes in with a new deal. Blake Wheeler comes in on the new deal and still more is that the kids Cal Connor really good season last year quietly and Jack raw Slavic looks to have a position with somebody's asshole going Andrew cop. Yeah, came in looking, really good to look. I know everybody else in candidate. There's live in Toronto is sick of the Toronto Maple Leafs already. They've played one or two as we one is we do this too, is it's posted, and I know all of you are sick of the Maple. Leafs can't is best teams the jets. Again, they're legit. Like how many teams do you look at right now and say, they could win the Stanley Cup. One, two. Re. For five. Okay. So you five team and the jets are one like, yeah, they're on every like that's a Stanley Cup team. Yes. The jets in Nashville, they are Stanley Cup teams. I think they're going to be phenomenal. I think they are so good and they seem to be a team that's like, no matter what distractions are there. They play troupe has got that contract situation hanging over them. It hasn't stopped, and it's a lot of is own choice to hasn't stopped them from playing. You know, line is going to be gone for ten million. It's not stopping them from playing like Wheeler. Knew he wanted a new contract. Didn't stop him from playing. Buffalo didn't stop him from playing. I think those guys have a good approach to things with a quick. Now that Dougie Hamilton Berkshire down was the longer a pair, the best pair in the NHL Jones in Renske in Columbus or Trueba Morrissey in Winnipeg. This is not going to make me very popular in Canada, but I'll take Jones Princeton. All right. So that. The Western Conference, we'll take a pause. This is the thirty one thoughts podcast brought to you by the all new two thousand eighteen GMC Sierra. The Nollie east is next. Would a cough point burger the corner with Madan low fat cows accelerates this. Sweet. Us. Where the Shanahan we'll give him. And back. And can't tell bring his home for the Stanley Cup with ten seconds jerk with, let's players that the center seconds ago got over the line. That. To today. Hedrick, federal Henrik center is thirty six years old. For the second consecutive season. He's going to play in eighty two games. This will be his eighty. Second of this season and one thousand of milestone. Here's Eric frightening with a pocket straps. Here tonight Henrik will be standing his one thousand career, National Hockey League game. Oh, while wearing a wing wheel become just a seven player in franchise history by one thousand games that are every sweater joining Gordie Howe. Stephen, Alex Vecchio they. Kris, Draper, and Thomas home Trump will. The other big news of the day. The captain is calling it a career after one thousand eighty two h. l. games all wearing the winged wheel and exotic made the announcement today he is retiring. About the podcast, Geoff Merrick, Elliott Friedman before we get to the Eastern Conference, someone that we're all gonna miss around hockey, both on the ice and off it, whether he's holding stick or other as a a microphone in his face. Henrik Zetterberg joins thirty one thoughts podcast, Eric, thank you so much for doing this. And I think we'd all heard the whispers over the summer and but until can haul and came out and said, he's not gonna play in the NHL anymore. His NHL career is over. I think we are all sort of surprised and saddened. What was it like hearing that discussed publicly that you wouldn't be coming back to the h. l.. It was kind of surreal when it all came public should probably figure out, you know, I lived in for a little bit in all started in January last year when it kinda went south and you know, we took the decision just to play games and let me rest, no practice. And hopefully this summer would would make it better, but it kinda dented. But when it all came out there Friday all this -ly it kinda hit me and stored a sinking. I'm curious. You know when you were going through this in the summer and you add to make your file decision, who did you ask for advice who'd you talk to who went through the process with you to make the final decision. Well, last couple of years, all these spin up and down and you, you have people that that helps you your body that knows more about your body than than you do. And and so this Lee, you have discussions with them, you talk to to your family because they probably being they wanna stuff in cmih. Close to most? No one I'm gone through so, but also eventually when I went to see dog to commit any organ and and we kinda got it black or white again that that nothing really going to right way that's on the stood. Finally, that this was probably the only way to go. You mentioned all sort of sort of Ravel free back in January, whether any games Henrik that at the end, you got back to the dressing room and you sat down, you said yourself. I'm not sure I should have played that game. I think once you're you're in the game or right after game, you have stuff in you that that kinda makes you the better feeling better. So it's more so in the mornings when when you wake up or you know, going into came base, that's when you yourself that you're if you wanna play, not Henrik Daniel and Henrik sitting last year. They started telling guys during the season that their friends that it was going to be there last year. So some guys new and they kept it a secret. Did you tell anyone or anyone on the ice, say anything to you like Henrik? Is this going to be it. You know, I think the one that was closest to me the team and you know that I played play written laws, Nick Carmo and and we have a lot of discussions last year. You know, he is going through some struggles himself with his body. So I don't think it was that big a surprise for him. He knew it before Friday too. So. Even though last year when I went through that, I had a feeling this could be it. So there was if you place, I went through the year and kind of, you know, thanking they said it was on in play with him and they probably looked up me and one where I was doing. Who'd you tell curious like who are the guys you went to. I think it was always there's a few guys that he wanted to stick off and there was a few players to wanna stick in return, and you know some of those notes that, right. I think those guys probably knew that it could be Henrik not giving up here. I wanna know, did you want who wanted yourself? I'm not quitting. There. There's a, there's if you guys over for these play a lot of throughout the year and say this one of them all had a balance throughout the years and and let's play about I respect a lot and and one thing it's another one that obviously is outlasting me, but we replayed some some some good fights. You have to. I always thought that the greatest compliment that was ever given to you was so you guys win the Stanley Cup in two thousand eight. You beat Pittsburgh. Hackles Sydney Sanchez, the I. I don't know, condemn, I think is frustrated. So all of emotion and the game. So. Their frustration from along five, three that you were such a key component of shutting down? Yeah, it was. It was you'd for us, you know, they had a real opportunity tied up by rebel and that summer Sidney Crosby in his gym at home, puts up a picture of Henrik Zetterberg holding the Stanley Cup and uses that as motivation all summer. Like to me, that is the most awesome compliment. Yeah, sure if that's true, but. It is all these Lii and is pretty cool and something that you know probably will tell my my son when his old and my my kicks the future. You keep anything from that from that final game keepsake apart something from the game, think something from the from the Redwings pressing him anything. Not really. I I had a stick from that game. Actually, my dad has, but there's a few stuff that you you say throughout the years, but most in in safe and sound with my with my dad's. So keeps everything Mariko back to your first couple of years in the in the NHL thing with Detroit Redwings you walk into a Redwings dressing room and you sit down and you look around and it's your job must drop its Shanahan its hall. It's Larry on off. I mean Lidstrom. I mean, you go up and down that lineup and you're looking, you're saying, okay, hall of Famer hall of Famer hall of Famer hall of him. Who are the guys that. No, you looked up to who are the guys that helped you? Who are the ones that you pointed to in said, you know what? I became a better player because of this guy. Well, first of all, tell me in and lead and coming into that kind of team. Help me in a while. I don't think I could put it in words because there's so many guys and that were world class players and and. And the and the old the the older, so kind to me and something maybe to do with nNcholas and Thomas home semester, they were fell sweets, but there's so many guys there that got help me out. You know either whether you want to set next to him my my first year, obviously, Stevie nicks Christopher breath hall. Playing with him and Paulo. My my first couple of years for sure made it easier for me, but I learned a lot of things from most to circuit federal comes to mind for me right away. I remember talking with someone about Detroit Red Wings back in the heyday when you guys were top of the league every year, and we're talking about you and Pavel Datsyuk. This person made the point. He said, hey, listen, when your top offensive players are also your top defensive players. You don't lose a line matchup it's impossible. I think to myself, you know what? That's kind of Sergei Federov as well. Like how much did you look at a player like Federov and say, I wanna be like that guy. Well, I mean in the league and being European, and you know, having Sergei teammates is is pretty awesome. And things should just pick up where by sitting on the bench wants them or playing with them, I think play my first jelly game in him and Santa hansell. So, but when you're in that moment, you don't think about it. You're just, but looking back to, that's when you're realized how blessed I was with the team and say, have you know Henrik now when you look back and talk to you about, you know, the beginning and we actually little bit about last year. I always wonder you've seen everything. What was the thing that you look back at your career that may be surprised you the most or the thing that gave you the most lasting impression that when you think about your time in the NHL. So that's the big question. But I think that think that kinda stand out when you look back to everything to the people you met like the teammates that you've got the player she played against but still became your friend and and I think that's pretty special in, you know, lead even though you're playing against them, it's still your teammate and in some way, and just the last three or four days here. Amount of text messages or phone calls? I got this reminds me of that again. It it's especially in and you know, I'm so grateful to being a part of who made you a better player to play against. Who is that guy? He said, I hate playing against this guy, but he makes me a better player. Doctor, I think you know, like me impove came in. He came in one year before me thought we were kinda young guys, you know team and we clicked right away and watching him in gains. But also in practices how he played, how he still plays by the way. Just that two way. The two way play and I don't know how many hours we've been taking the puck from a charter plane to keep away after practice and stuff like that. So Thomas part of of my career, but he's so many hours to Draper, you know, faceoff stuff and how to play a, we'll say, dirty a nice way. It stuff that you're when you look back and you got it from someone because you told me how to play or or you learn from them by this, watching them play, who won more, keep away you or that Sukh follow by for. No, I have to go outside the box and play to win against. If we played, fair mentioned, I admire your honesty, you know, so is Roman, although stepped away, here's a GM Shanahan president Draper, assistant GM will be GM someday Cleary's. Now in the front office in Detroit, are you going to be to think GM someday. I don't know. I honestly, I don't know all this kind of fresh for me and the one thing that you miss out on playing professional hockey, it's your family and your friends. And that's my first one. I gotta focus on our and kinda step step away and enjoy my family, join my friends and, but I wouldn't be shocked if I'm if I'm backing hawking some kind of way eventually and you know, hockey dot me so much throughout my life. So I wouldn't be surprised if I'm backing hawking, some kind of is that a North America that being Sweden, who knows? It depends who wants me, I guess, but. You gotta start somewhere and and and see how it is and and then we'll go from there. It's your thoughts on Swedish Schalke in general right now, it's it's a different place than it was when you joined the NHL back in two thousand and two Rasma style lean just selected first overall, start with the Buffalo Sabres. He's been as advertised a phenomenal hockey player. What are your thoughts on where Swedish hockey is that right now? Two thousand eighteen. Well, it's in a good spot somehow would developing players that are that come over here and become a big part of teams. And and lately we got a lot of the fence men that that are that are playing really well or and it's gonna be good players here, and I think that I lost. You would like Nicholson, you know, when I was growing up, I looked force good in some being now could send, and I'm pretty sure a lot of the players. Young players looked up to two Lindstrom and and and kinda tried to mimic his game. And but I think we have a good system over there development, young kids on all different citizen and club. So it's a good outcome right now and hopefully will continue that Henry his last one for me, one of the things I really enjoyed the most about you is I knew if I walked up to your stall and I had a question I was gonna get an honest answer. It was going to be blunt, and it was going to be honest. Number one. Did anyone ever say to you Henrik shouldn't have said that or Wien. I think more hockey players need to be that way. Don't be afraid to say, what's on your mind? Do you think we'll get there? I think so. But. I think it also depending where you're in your career, but also in the end, I think you know the more on their side, the more correct pants and and even though we're in tough spot last couple of years, I I felt the more honest I could be the more will people understand and and maybe there's a few out there. I I regret will. But but, but in the heat of moment to you, say stuff sometimes that may be wrong, but most of the time I, you know, I, I don't regret much. What do you want people to say about you when they look back at your career but would make you the proudest what he wants them to say. Good team make. I think that's what I've Allieu a lot. You know, be there for the guys and I, I hope I've been looking for my teammates and hockey whites. I, I'm not sure. I said this before couple of days score probably wasn't the flashes player, but I was pretty decent all alone so that the way I got brought up in Sweden and play a two way game and you try your hardest and you were like to watch so much fun. Congratulations on a wonderful career. Congratulations on all the successes. Anything speak for everybody when we say, certainly respect, you know, go back and enjoy your family, but we love to see Henrik Zetterberg back in some capacity around hockey. We are poorer for your absence. Thank you so much for wonderful career, and thanks so much for doing the podcast today. Okay, thank you. Appreciate it. GMC Sierra Denali sets higher standard in a full-size pickup for purposeful technology and performance features like apple carplay keeps you connected to what matters most and an available. Four hundred twenty horsepower six point. Two liter engine gives you the power to take on any challenge lead the way like a pro with the GMC Sierra Denali GMC we are professional grade. All right. Welcome back to the podcast. Just put a final thought. We will still talk funny, but Henrik Zetterberg camin you just don't not talk about Henrik Zetterberg just because he's not around this season. Me's influence will be felt certainly within that Red Wings, locker room thoughts on hundreds. Edinburgh, remember forty me. Thirteen is gone. Five is gone. Now. Forty is not in the in the number of Hugh for Detroit's. All that Crosby thing is true. He did put up number even though I really did feel that way. You know what a great honor that somebody says, this is the guy. I've got a train all summer to beat, and then he did well the next year I think that's phenomenal. I mean, I remember years ago at hockey nights, we did a piece on hockey town and whether or not you know Detroit struggles and you know what was going on and stuff like that. And I remember Babcock was coaching them, and I said, do you your stars at avert in in that sue? Can is it. I Carol exactly what it says. Is it possible that fans just don't identify with them because they're not North American. And he said, I think that is such a crock fans identify with great players. And you know there was a time between two thousand two and two thousand eight. When people questioned whether or not the you could win was that are Bergen dads who kind of present and they prove you could do it no problem. And I love that story to told about chasing down sticks and trading sticks and pressure. We had to at the pull it out of, but I like the fact they talked about the guys who was hard to play against like foreign. I gotta assume one of them was chara to know. Another big one would have been as well in for it to come out of his mouth was Yevgeny Malkin Malkin. Good. Yeah, I liked how inland of his career I knew I could go to Massimo question was going to get a good answer. Yeah, he's a hall of Famer for sure. You know some guys in retirement, you know, live off the grid and that's it. You never see him again, boom, Kaiser associates gone. I just hope set a Briggs. Not that guy, and I get this suspicion that based on the comments that he made young and it takes some time in new family, but hockey's hockey and I can see myself which is interesting because this is a wide brush thought here. But generally when Swedish hockey players go, they don't really come back. Alfredsson came back, we'll Samson, but generally Swedish hockey players go back home in the state. You know, I can't see him being a guy all seek it out, put it that way. Like if it comes to come to him. Okay, let's get back to our. Where are they at conversation? We've moved the Eastern Conference. We were in the metropolitan we are in Carolina, or they now find themselves with Dougie Hamilton, Michael Furlan Adam, FOX courtesy of your Calgary Flames. Elliott's. The interesting thing here is I- Brindamour is really going to change the makeup. You know, he's a tough in your face challenge, you guy, you know, one of the reasons they targeted Furland in that Calgary trade is that they felt they were soft and they have to change attitude. You know, Brindamour certainly isn't that guy. Furlan certainly isn't that guy. But I do think there's still a little bit of a question that you know players agents everywhere on the league has you know what exactly is going on here and when you're a player, all you can do or should do is focused on what's in front of your face and how do you improve and how do you win games. But I do think they look at what happened with Skinner and what may happen with Falk in. I think they're still a little bit unsure of where they're going as an organization on youth, big on getting a little bit tougher as well. Also strong analytics pants, and you look at the game play, and this is true under Bill Peters. I don't see any reason why wouldn't be true under rod Brindamour number one. Shots on goal last season, and there was always the all look at Carolina. First period warm up the core sieges, you know, throw pucks, throw throw box, but that's Carolina's game. And I, I can't really see that changing much. No, I wouldn't do that changing much either Neil, their stats Tulsky Airtel ski smart. He's one of the best ones is one of the best. One of these I've really kinda knows also on social media is a lot of the stats guys really tear into each other quite a bit. Like there's a bit of a territorial battle over who stuff for the works in who stuff is complete. Hocus pocus snore. You saw that this summer where war debate? Yes. Yes. A real ugly vied that community. Curious about that? Like I've started knows it more like it starts thinly veiled shot and it becomes a not very thinly veiled shot. Now you can say all that is maybe aggressive, peer review, though, Elliott? Yes. Okay. Yes, just like universities, but the there's a lot of respect for Tulsky in. I would think that Carolina figure something out. I could see him being a guy who would figure out what might really matter from Carolina. Let's go to Columbus where a lot of ways this is about bread and this is about Bob. They could be the kingmaker bread Bob sandwich, bread, Bob sandwich trade there. Panara Nebraska. They could be kingmakers. They just as you mentioned the last cast we did and million years ago, they might just push all the chips in and say, we're going for it. There were guys who before training camp said to me, they don't think your mo- Carolina n- will wanna hold this. He'll just say we're getting rid of these guys. I haven't spoken to him. There's a sense that's changing. I think they're gonna go for it and see where they are. And that's what I would do if I was in their shoes, Iran, that team, I would go for it, and I would see where we are because I think they're good enough to win like they're on my list of five teams. Insincerity could win Stanley Cup, but I look at as being the next here is if like, why can't they be Washington? Why can't they be the team finally breaks through and goes, I think the two biggest questions I have about them is number one Pinera looks like, hey, I notice the big year for me. A gonna have a big year. I'll go get my money somewhere. I didn't like with LeBron's ski said. So you've told them what your plans are. They they know exactly what into what is a philos- them. Good. So you've told them what your plans are even beyond this current contract is going to fully well, they know my plus. Be any talked with them during the season? I don't like I won't talk. I don't like to play any games in mind games or stuff like that. So as I say, I feel to be fair to say early enough them what they wanted to do, how I going to do things and and just tell them. Tell them my point of view. You know, to me, it struck me as an always worry about a guy whose English is second language because you don't know. But he just struck me as a guy who was mad at them. He didn't show up for at least one meeting in the summer. He said in his opening scrum, he was mad that they suggested he maybe a sports psychologist. It just struck me as this guy is not coming here in the right frame of mind. So that would worry me a little bit. The second thing I would be concerned about an only they know this not us is what is the effect at all this has on their dressing room? Are there guys there who are signed or aren't in good position in saying like, seriously, what is going on here? I could sending Flaine ABI in that guy. I could see Felina San, hey, what's this? I could see a lot of guys. They're being like that. And my call is we go for. For it. And I'm saying all these guys, you might have different philosophies on where you're going. But right now the right path for all of you to get there is to win and we're good enough. We have a good team here. You know, markets Winberg said to me a couple of weeks ago at the at the league players, media tour in Sweden. It's not that bad. We keep losing to really good teams go and then sorted out later ever thought on the extensions office on John Twitter Ella at the way they did last time they extended everybody with a year to go. What I thought was most and I do agree with that. Generally those guys do a good job. I think that what's interesting is last time they gave us a term this this time I didn't. I thought that was fascinating. New Jersey Devils. Is this the same conversation. We just had about the Colorado Avalanche in them coming back down to earth little bit. They didn't do a lot this year they lost. John Moore was good player for them last year to me that says. Says they're looking at Taylor hall. They can sign him next July and they're saying, we're taking care of that business. I wanna worrying about everything else after that. You know, I agree. I think yet a great year last year there's nothing that says you can't have a great year this year, but I think it's still trying to find out. Okay. What are we really just for brats come in with about ten pounds a month. Lovey seen brat. No looks good, but I believe good. I mean, the guy who makes it the way he made it last years ago takes things very seriously up, but to me, it looks like we're doing with Taylor hall. I and everything else gonna fall into place every year. There's one player who comes in as a rookie recently drafted, and you say, well, he's taken to go back to junior or wherever and ends up staying for the nine or maybe plus I wonder if Thais myth can be that guy this year, the way skates given that blue line, I have a strong suspicion that ties myth starts year with the New Jersey Devils. I've only question does it as you get past nine? Well, you know? Yes. S. guy because I had heard that if Edmondson hadn't gotten chard ties was Smith was probably going to be there pick. So I'm curious about him. I'm curious to see it. The miles would thing to their doesn't. I mean record this at doesn't sound like gap is there. That's a weird one like ratio made it sound like they actually agree on some things, but not others, I get it. He's a big spark plug for them. Sure. As I just wonder, New York Islanders in eras. Okay, that conversation. But there is still a Matthew Barzel there. However, the entire hockey world is affecting the complete the Florida fallout from underneath the Allender this season. Do you see it or do you say they're not as bad as people say? I don't think there's bad as people say, but I think it's going to be tough for them because I think Lambeau I understand while Morello saying what he's saying, because everybody there is shell shocked and he's telling their. Fans were devastated. They lost them. What are we going to do that? He's trying to sell that. This isn't that bad. We only one round with them so I don't get offended that stuff. I, I know what he's doing accident of ours. Interesting is basically said the same tack. I haven't won anything. So none of that stuff bothers me. I just think that whole organization is so shell shocked. So stunned about what happened that it might be tough to get them going in the same direction, you know, to cover up for a lot of other people. He made a lot of other people look good. You know, other people, rich and made a lot of other people rich, and now he's not there. He's not the safety playing look in Montreal. They didn't realize the unintended consequences of trading peaky, sue ban that the guy who took all the heat for everybody else, silently gone too far Dennis to heat. But he did so much to make everybody better and it'll be as hell. Barzel handles that. I think he's really talented things are to be really good, but now the sudden he's going to be thrust into being. The guy, the number one guy new. I think, Robin, Leonard is now one of the more interesting stories in the NHL this year because he put himself out there. I do think that if I was to put money on it now and I'm not saying I'm gonna be right, but if I had to place in early season wager, I think that's the team that's all in for LeBron's. Sqi. The Allender? Yes. What do you think Leonard piece? I think it takes a lot of balls to put yourself out there. We've all heard about Leonard. I remember last year after someone called me after the the Detroit game and interesting we can't find him. Yes, he's, he's gone. Yes, we don't. We don't know, and there's always a who is guy, what's you all about? And now kind of all finally make sense. I think Leonard also had to know that you know he was coming to the end that his number of chances were over. I think one of the things are we like that piece was Jason Botterill following up with them throughout the summer to see doing okay, even. After buffalo made the decision they were gonna move on, I think Robin Lanner in some ways. He was saving his own career by saying, everybody's sitting here, wondering what's wrong with me, we'll now I can tell you and look, we all wanna play in the NHL. It's more important than your good husband and father, and you can't be a good husband and father, unless you're honest with yourself about what is causing all these problems. And I think if he finds peace at home, which it sounds like from that article getting towards the play will come Rangers even Quinn behind the bench, and it is rebuild time in the Big Apple, something that we haven't heard in quite some time. You know, I like they require, you know, one of the reasons I heard they went out in the guy mcquaid was because he thought they were really soft play against last year, especially in front of their net new. I betcha. Henry Lundquist like hearing that you remember what he was like at the end of the after they got the. Every last year, not case, but I give them credit because he was playing heart. He was trying to set a good example for the young kids getting fifty shots every night, and he played unreal. People hear me say that they're going to be tough. It's data mcquaid like you're a caveman. I still think there is room for intimidation and toughness in sports. Like I think a lot of sports being successful is can you gain a mental edge on someone else? Intimidation is a big part of that. I think when you're a rebuilding team, you have to establish that. You're not coming in here downtown Manhattan. Getting a good steak, two blocks away and kicking our butts the next night. Taking two points on, yes, like you got it set a tone that we are sending away. We're gonna play and we're gonna get better and you're gonna hate playing against us. I like that. Like, you know the Rangers made it so that he couldn't say no. But I like what he started with earlier this year now, can he reach the boots knavish is take them to the next level. That's the question, but I like what I'm hearing from so far. You know what I like a lot of the college coaches that have been hired. I alike. I spent some time with Jim Montgomery at the draft will like him. I'll like what I'm hearing about David Quinn as well. And although I was sort of skeptical about it, I I like Dave acts doll. Like long on the days of, okay. We try with Ned Harkness. College coaches don't work at the NHL level. Let's just stop. We talked with his last year little bit. Is that the next wave for a while it was higher the age, all guy. I think the NextWave is. Can you communicate? Can you get your milk together? The thing I liked what hack all Dave has the most last year is he had that city screaming for his head and he just never changed right through it. That's hard to do speaking of the Philadelphia Flyers. Yeah, let's get their look real good. There is a question about Wayne Simmons where he fits. Yup. In John Themis dyke last year comes front guy like Simmons's, right for years and years. They've looked for the goaltender they have it. We just don't know when he's going to be ready. And that's Carter heart. Yup. And then there's the question of the back end is well whereabout with with somebody told me also to that before they signed van rooms day, Philly. Tried to take a run it paren-. Sara yet and when that would have cost. Yeah. But obviously it didn't happen, right? Yeah, they were looking at it. I got a better chance of finding the nuclear codes than finding that from actual. But I'd heard that like that was one of the rumors going around that they looked at that him. I think this team is fascinating. I mean, I, I think they're doing it the right way. They're building up. You know, he's very patient, obviously, Hextall is that game six against Pittsburgh. Last year was wild. I mean, I really liked Correa. I love pro ver- of like water player. That guy is enormous when day. I mean, Goss spare didn't have as great a year last year, but I love Jrue like hacks challenge removed them drew at an MVP level year. He was third on my ballot, could sure you had a fantastic year. He agreed in Patrick looking real good, Noah. Patrick came on. On. I don't know if the put it altogether yet, but I think they're coming Philip Myers looks real good. Maybe crack the lineup this year. The goaltending could completely undo them. They may have the best one, but incarcerate it's always ready. Regulations, get a rush, anything. He'll start. It's hard. It's hard not to rush there, but I like their process. I don't know. Are they ready to win yet? I dunno fister penguins. They're bringing Jack Johnson. The one thing is I saw, you know, Crosby Malkin at the end in Chicago, the league players meeting in guys, look refreshed. I heard the story. We talked about this. This should have brought Pittsburgh end for this. The Cup banner, raising all I agree, you kidding? And I and I know what have been great now, I don't know that Washington asked for it or what. I don't know that I don't even like new frigging aggregate. Don't kill me on this, but the one thing I do know is that the league at least internally asked the question, should it be Pittsburgh? And they say it's not the right thing to do, and they put Boston there, but I will tell you this. They won't say it, but seeing Washington win the Cup last year. I think those guys were happy for Vatican they understand climbing the mountain and how great it feels, and but I think those guys were like. Yeah, it was washing. Listen. You talked about Sidney Crosby. Putting a fixture of entered set of in the wallet, is Jim how the Pittsburgh Penguins stand there on the blue line will the banner gets raised in Washington that I do think that the league kind of said, we're not doing that, but it's big tacky. I'll tell you this, you know, I think is a lot to prove their this year's perservered. I think Derek had a year where it didn't go well for them. I think Pittsburgh might have looked at, can we move this guy? But they didn't. And I think he's going to have a big year thought on castle. Lot of speculation, but him moving same old man. Like what great line. I rather for its kinda guy. He'll do anything. He'll do anything if you think it makes them better, he'll do anything mentioned the Washington Capitals. Get to them a couple of big Todd Weerden ends up taking over berry trots exits we, we talked about that on the last podcast, Tom Wilson, six contract thirty one million dollars. John Carlson eight times eight sixty four million dollars zero in bonus. By the way on that deal, the same Nashville didn't give a bonus. He can't jalopy questions. Are they going to be hung over literally like still on over? You know, I just think the thing is like that team. They went through so much to get there and it's rare. You see, everybody happened team won. I think, you know, that's probably what is happy as you can get in a competitive league to see a team win. I mean to me, the biggest question have is, are they going to be hungry. When they finally beat Pittsburgh last year with Backstrom out, they could smell it. Yeah, they knew it. They're like, were we could win. They shut out Tampa Bay back to back in game six and seven, you know, like I look at this is, do they have it like, are they still? Are they still going to be there satisfied? It's the rule of rocky staying there is harder than getting up. Can you do it again today? Lanta. Finish up in that division? The Boston Bruins in on Taveras on coal truck, true or false. True. Both. I think national Winnipeg are the two best teams in anyone division. I think this is probably the three, maybe four best teams than anyone division Boston, Tampa, Toronto. I liked Florida a lot. I think those four are the best four top four. Last three cups come from the metro. I can hear the screams right now. How can you say that guys last week ups come to metropolitan. I just think that you have Washington. You have pitched. Bergen. I do like Columbus as you heard me say, I think that fourth, it's here as you mentioned quite he goes the Rangers John More comes in. What are you questions about the Boston Bruins? I just think the biggest thing about them is health. You know, Burs Ron's, not starting the season, healthy chara Carlo got hurt last year mcevoy's a really talented guy gets them freak things that happened to him Rask being in his level Marsh, Aon, like, you know, control yourself, your an MVP level player, more lex. I just think that would damn. It always seems to be like stuff that you wouldn't normally predict freak injuries, health, stuff like that. But no, they've done a good job of filling from within. They've got a lot of good young players. Buffalo Sabres are fascinating squad check. Glenn was free season, but he looks fantastic so far, don't judge anything by the first one I get that, but I'll say the same thing of our asthma stallions looks fantastic. So far, some questions perhaps about production from Casey, middle stat, previous to turning pro, but. We'll see what happens there. Yeah, this is see. This is the term Murray. Buffalo Sabres almost seem as if they were built from that last generation of hockey generations too strong. That last, I don't know, fifteen years of hockey. It was a trying to build a big tough team, but one that was didn't have the premium on speed or quickness. It seems as if Buffalo's going the exact opposite direction under Jason Botterill that it is speed. You saw that with the Skinner deal. You saw them drafting Casey, middle stat ankle was of course already there. Rasma selling win the lottery. You get a, you get razzmatazz, but it seems as if they are going for speed speed speed as buffalo once and I can't argue with that speed causes problems and they've also been kind of a bit of applauding team. I think also it's it's a change in attitude and those guys that they got Skinner and the two guys from the two veterans civil and Berlin from Saint Louis. Those guys. Needed changes, and you'll Skinner's year wave of free agency a big year. He cashes in place a Jack tummy's not going to be signed the, I don't know. I mean, I don't know, and he's close to home, which will help him Markham. His dad who's Andrew was always at the games in Toronto. That'll be easy. Gets more games can close to. I do believe that they'll be better. I don't think they're a playoff team yet, but I do think they took a big step this summer. It was kinda Sheree theft. Well, it was to take on contracts, but I think Conor series a perfect complementary wing, absolutely like like him a lot, upper body injury there. So he's a question to start the season. I wonder if it's one of those, you know, I don't feel like playing in training, you know, you know, I'm not gonna sign my contract until physicals or diner like that. I my personal favorite move living on bell. They have. Two teams with multiple first-round PEX Colorado was one auto center back buffaloes are three got three firsts. So they still have some San Jose, San Jose, an Saint Louis own right Rozo and they have their own pack like their Buffalo's looking good with three from building up your Sam, Reinhart, Utah on Twitter earlier on today, breaking two years, three point, six av on that one on the on that latest one contracting. A lot of the buffalo guys fans thought it was gonna come in around four and another GM said they thought that was a little bit high that he was probably three point two, five. So that's probably good. That means everybody's happy and unhappy. You'll what. Know what you know, Sam Reinhart. That's buffalo zingy him. Yeah, we don't know. Going back to Edmonton is at Edmonton saying, we don't know about all new all. I don't think it was. We don't know about Darnell nurse, I wouldn't be surprised of nurse was happy to bridge deal too. I think in Edmonds in one of the things is they didn't wanna put secure on t. TI so they had to squeeze in pretty tight to Detroit's have challenges, and a lot of their challenges are on the blue line. I only the blue and we talked to Henry said a second ago and he referenced Nickless Krahn wall. This has got to be the last the last lap for Nicklaus crying walls. Well, starting over and bowsman comes on as an assistant, which should we read anything into that. I think that's gonna be there all the time, but I don't know. I think that Blache Bosma get along pretty well. And you hope that that's not. I remember last year one of my real tough moments last year was I had heard Blache was in trouble in if he was out, you know, who might go in there for them. And you'll Ken hall, and he was not thrilled at me for that one. He was like, no, Nope. I defend this guy and Ken hall and has been very loyal to Jeff Blasio. And I mean, I understand why every says it makes a lot of sense, but I kind of look at can homes a guy who's the way he talked about Blache hole there and not sure that he would do it with that much intent. By the way Detroit as tough, its ban that draft worked out really nicely for them. Are you kidding? I mean, the islanders DNA just draw. They're, they're liable. They were the two teams, the Allender Detroit Redwings didn't have the draft players just fell into their lap and then volcano later on Valente. I know they are really ecstatic, and that's the way to start. You know, I wanna say something about can all, because you know all the talk is coming again with is going home and where he's going to be in a year. I couple conversations with Holland in in one was about the blast was another one later in the year. And you know, I think it bothers him a lot about how some fans, wine amount. I think it means a lot to him to get a chance to restart. You know, Detroit was always hanging on hanging on affected their decisions. I think can't haul in feels that Detroit's been really good for him. He owes a lot to them. He's done a lot for them, but he really wants this chance to start this rebuild. And I think that it meant a lot. Him last year that that draft worked out as well as it did was great for the trend. You can say it was his it was his doing or wasn't his doing whatever it was. The thing is dropped in his lap, and he could have gone said, you know, we're taking a Senator d. because that was our plan. That's what we told. People know this guy. The door. We're, we're deviating from the plan. We're going with Florida Panthers. If there's a team that when I'm asked, who do you think could be stealth candidate to surprise? Vision, I go Florida Panthers because now you've out at my Kaufman to that mix and all of a sudden that tops six looks deadly. Yeah, they're really. They're really good team. There could approach to I, I'm a big tro check guy, just don't start badly. Stay healthy e. especially the guy in goal, the two guys goal, two guys and Jonathan Hubert. Oh, who's one of the sneaky? Yes, off lingers in the NHL. Absolutely. Love just stay healthy. One of the stories I was actually about Toronto was that you'll before they got virus in their internal meetings, they were people who were saying every time are d- if we don't get a Santer, we're not going to beat Florida next year. And then like Vars dropped on their lap and fall that problem. But I heard that that's one of the things they are really worried about was that. Before they got divorced when they when they knew that they were probably losing Bosak and whatever else was gonna happen. They were worried that their centered out was going to hurt them with the panther. I think they're good man. You look top three in the Atlantic and it's, you know, Tampa in Boston and Toronto. I mean, don't don't hesitate to throw Tampa into that mix. I think. Well, we haven't. We haven't gotten there elva bargain there. We're getting Montreal. I and you know the big story this, of course off season max patch, ready off the f. the Vegas Golden Knights. Yeah. Oh, it's a rebuild. And I mean, we'll go as far as price contain them and that will ever and price signed up. It's it's a huge superhuman task. You know, I think the one thing obviously is that you know, prices come determined and he's kinda got this weird way about him where if he has a bad year usually comes back with a great one. I think the biggest thing is, you know, we've talked about Ottawa and in the crisis of consumer confidence, they have their in their owner, Montreal, unfortunately, for them has that to a lesser degree and the owner about the general both GM. And I really don't like hitting people when they're down. I think everybody knows that right now. That fan base is just not buying into what they're selling is the same problem. That was what you make it a gold chain Domi deal from Montreal's point of view. Look, the toughest thing about playing in Montreal's. There's so many stories about what's going on around the player off the ice. You don't know what's true, right, right. You get sucked into that world like all you hear player this about player a and this about player beans here where they were last night or there with last night there. There's problems in the marriage or whatever, like you don't know what's true. The one thing I do believe is that by the end of last year, Chennai just looks spent. He needed a change the old max Domi needed to change too. I think you're looking at two guys. They're organizations weren't happy with them and they weren't happy in their organization. So you try your chance. I think max got the kind of personna handle playing in Montreal hell God, you and I think the gal chain you the chance. I just don't. The tough things are gonna find a center, and now they're talking about Domi being a center. That's a tough one for him. Looking just trade for put him at center in where I made a tough on drew. Now you're gonna take Domi. Their played centers can be tough on him to end people screaming at the podcast right now saying, well, they traded a center to AirAsia. I mean, part of the problem there was he was false started so many different Galchenko center in Arizona will give them the chance and they believe it is, but we're gonna find out. That's I see there's a lottery areas when the more fascinating teams for me to watch this year towards the end, I loved watching coyotes. And this year I'm gonna love watching cody's to Segal. China. I think they're gonna make the playoffs pick that could flop. But I, I like them. I think they're good team, Ottawa Senators and the video. I didn't know which video we're talking about the Melnyk wine of the Dory on one. We'll get the Dory in one with with you and David in a couple of seconds, the video with poor Viet ski, who I think by the way is an as an outstanding guy. You know, he's such a nice guy and I'm saying to myself and I'm watching craft hockey Ville and how many guys are giving it to him on the ice about the video. You know what? I didn't see a lot of it. You know, he ran over Cracknell right away to announce. You know, first of all, here's a guy who's a total long show. Just got himself a multi million dollar multi year deal. So it's hard not to respect that. Apparently they asked if he would do it and he said, fine to help the team guy. And I'm sure that there's a lot of that. The hometown pride and raises, I mean, they bring energy. I know. For a guy like meeting with hockey world a little bit older. You know, it gives me so much energy, and I'm excited to come to the ring when those guys are excited Kazaric, say, one hundred percent. I'm excited to hang out with them to play with them, and it goes one way. So you get excited because they're excited, gets me say, it's all our fans excited sponsors. So it's going to work out. I think we're looking forward to a great great coming year. I really think that the fans are going to be supportive. We got some great vans. These are great, great honky fans, great sponsors, and we just gotta give them the hope that we that they know that we know what we're doing, and that translates into the team knowing what they're doing and putting some wins together. I agree shooting for the Stanley Cup mill, les Dawson. All right, thanks very much. It goes to what we were talking about, Montreal. There's nothing Eugene Melnyk can do to make people believe in nothing. They just aren't going to buy what he's selling. So if you're working in the marketing department, despite the fact the owner saying, I have this great idea. I'm gonna throw in an Ottawa Senators jersey from ten years ago and sitting next to local boy Mark VIP and try to sell the rebuild to fans. There's nothing anyone that organization can do to stop him from doing. Gene, we'll do. I think that generally happens. I know that happened with Santer this and cherry on the ploughs a few years ago. I heard that someone had said to him, this is not gonna work, and he said, I don't care. I want to do it. I said that in a couple of places, I think it said on primetime with against on Tim and said, I did have people push back and say like, this was not one that you gene Melnik forced down our throats. There are people there who said that we had to do something. We knew the Carlson trade was coming, and we just figured that this was the thing to try and it didn't work. And you know, like now we have the Dory on interview from the other night here. What's the number one in your optimism about in terms of the Ottawa Senators? Eighteen you're out of point where. Nothing you can do will work. You can try whatever you want comes on and that pause because it's peer Dory on at this point in time it's viral. What did you think? So. The question and there is that I'm watching this. I'm like, whoa, uncomfortable started tweeting like nice. Look Friedman, like you're not buying what he's selling. You know what I was thinking was I was thinking that, okay, I better be ready to say something in case he can't say anything like David night talked about that later started going like we're both thinking, are we going to have to jump in here because of whatever reason. That's what I was thinking. I didn't like sitting there live. I didn't think anything of it, but be ready in case, you know, for whatever you say anything. But the moment it was over. I started getting tax about it and I was like, all right. And then in the first intermission people started sending me some of the stuff that was going on Twitter. And like I say, I don't like kicking people when they're down and they're at a point right now, the Ottawa Senators where nothing they can sell works. They just have to. Go through the process. You know what I think part of that is, I don't think you can start a rebuild until the draft is over. I, that story continues and we'll all season long. You could talk about the future. You don't have your first pick and it might be first overall, and I really felt that they should have done it and the story for that reason to like, if you're gonna treat Carlson, you know it, and also the story isn't a hangover you. We asked the question last night and there's no regrets at all it when you you're rebuilding a new, get it to build with a cornerstone piece like Grady Chuck, and we don't wanna put too much pressure on Amies only thanking years old. Yet two days ago, there's no hesitation Brady brings the whole package. There's no doubt that this organization keeping the pick and pick and Grady was an old, bring the trucks are are special. There's no question about that. Like, you know, they have raised a couple of pretty incredible kids in Matt and Brady. I just. Wish this had gone away for their sakes. It's every time they lose a game. It's gonna hang over them the whole organization? Yep. Nick normal rebuilds fans can be kind of okay with extended losing periods because there's a reward at the end, there's no reward at the end this year? No, there's more pain. Well, and that's why think like, I, I know they're going to try to sign stone and they're gonna try to sign Shane. I just wonder if it doesn't work to those become the players who get you first round picks. Now, the guys were trading for them this year going to be guys who probably won't have high first-round picks, but you try to accumulate as many as you can. You do need to probably have something seeking get up on the stage in Vancouver on the Friday night. I know they're looking the Trump's in London, but he can stay the year in auto. I asked during on that last night and you know, people were text me right away. They're like no chance. He's going back to Midland. A good question. Ask for the broadcast. I thought because we were right there, no chance Tampa. They tried for Eric, Carlson? Yup. Many were surprised that he didn't end up there, but you know, the big story was kind of a shocker that cropped. We knew that now that the price for the east was higher up, why should it be? I don't understand that now at all. I think you take your best deal with you. Okay. So not Eric Carlson, the Big Sur, those visor men stepping down, general manager, Angela breeze takes over. You know, I understand position if he took a five year deal be what fourteen years in Tampa away from his family fulltime like I get that. That's a lot to ask because daughters are getting older, I totally college. I, yeah, I think the youngest is nineteen the Owl's. Okay. Twenty four, I think so. I get that like because then it comes to a point where you know kids are like, you know, I don't wanna come to Tampa to you on the weekend, just rather hang out here and do my own thing. So I. I do understand is position. I gotta think the Jeff Vinik was soon there and saying sooner or later on somebody's coming for for Julian Bruce about whether it's Montreal or someone else, and all of a sudden you lose is when you lose Brazil on, you're like, what? So I think you said we can't lose both. I do think that was a factor. I'll tell you some. Now's since that all happened. You know, someone said to me, you do not understand how much losing game six in game. Seven. You'll rip through that organization to Washington last year in the eastern final. And I think there were a lot. I mean, you you, you keep going because you're, you're a heck of a team and you're built to give yourself chances. But I do think that there were a lot of disappointed people in the way they lost last year. I think it made. I don't know if it made them question who they were, how good they were, anything like that, but they didn't do anything about it though. I tried for Carlson, but it's not coming back with the same squad. It's fine as a good team. It's tough because you're sitting there and you're saying, we've got great players. What are you gonna do you're not getting rid of some of those guys, but they got shut. Out back to back to they lost one game three, nothing. They lost the other game for nothing. I think internally they were like, what? Just what just happened happen here. Jake Gotcha situation is interesting. One, twenty five pounds. The I mentioned this on Vancouver radio last night, and you know, I would just like to say that the other thing I said in that show is that. Sports, six fifty. The guy because I'm way too fat myself like I should be in much better shape. So I don't want anyone to think I'm thinking addict option. But from what I heard, it was extreme like it wasn't that he was just out of shape that he was extremely shake. When you got report, he was on waivers, I had two teams, Jeff, who texted me right away and said, what's going on here like we'd be interested in this guy what's happening. And so we reported that they were unhappy with his conditioning and then you know, Tampa wasn't calming. Man, harder is the day went on. Things started trickling in, and one team told me that was exactly what they had heard that. You know, he came in twenty five percent body fat, and other team told me they heard like he was forty, five pounds overweight. He's a big guy to begin with. So like forty five, forty five was a number of us to me. So what that says to me is even if that's not true, it's. In that direction like it was egregious thing, and I don't know if they're gonna win this. I think if you're the players those Asian, you have to grieve it you out, allow it. But I do think that we are dealing with something that is extremely out of the ordinary. It winks the philosophical question. Do you have to be in quote, unquote, good shape to play this game? Yeah. I mean, you can play if you can suit up, and if you can keep up and you can still maintain that level of in do it the way they played now Jeff, like I get it. But what if you can, I think there's always going to be outliers. Okay. There's always going to be people who can show up smoke two packs of cigarettes and go up there and score five goals. There's always gonna be that guy, but Jake Dodgson I think he's a player. I know he played sometimes on the first pairing, but he's not a top pairing guy. I get that. There's you're gonna take that from, hey, Victor, Hedman. The kind of guy shows up with, you know, twenty percent, body fat. Not that he ever would smoking cigarettes wants to go on the is say, okay, that's our north winner. We're gonna put up with that. But if I would've like kucherov shows up with a barrel or stamkos you're not doing that. And now the other thing too, is there something else that happened in the past and we don't know what that is, but I think the thing. We're all wondering here is, is this a cumulative thing? I don't know. I don't have the answers. I was just told it was a really agree GIS fail. And like some team said, they heard that they were talking about things up twenty five percent body, fat, navy, forty, five pounds overweight. I mean, God only knows what is true. And again, I wanna make fun of the guy 'cause I'm way too fat, but there's something here finish up with Ronnie police. Well, I mean Jonah virus and tax last night from body. At the end of the broadcast, I am sick of the Maple Leafs already like we've left them to laugh. People have dropped off the viscount team, but they are a target. They are the target this year. Everybody is sick of hearing about the Maple. Leafs isn't a mabley. Final season hasn't even started. This season hasn't even started hanging thought Pittsburgh in Washington. We're vicious. Like teams come after these guys. Like, you know, I asked as in Cain about what it's like to be the targets and antiques a good line. He says, like, you know, when when this happens like it's not about potentially more about what you do. I like to ours has been good about. He's saying, like, you know, hey, I wanna thing, but it's gonna be interesting. I think they're really good. I think they do have a chance. I think they wanna see what happens internally defensively before they go out and do anything. They're gonna get everyone's best this year. Do you because Tronto sports radio is all over the topic. You have a feeling on William Lander one way or another. I think the Maple Leafs to prepare that goes into the season that goes into the. I think they are preparing for it to go into the season. There's camp Neil enter. You know, I'll tell you this Louis gross. He's no shrinking violet and Michael Neale Lander is no string violent, I think the maple, he's preparing for the possibility that goes into the season. Maybe it doesn't by think they're prepared for finish up on this one next week. We'll do some more. Do some ask thirty one. We're long today hate to ended on the Downer topic, but all season long, how much you think will be hearing about reopening the there? I said it's going to happen. I do believe negotiations are going to start. Before the new year, and you have a feeling one way or another, whether it gets. That's it. I don't think the owners are gonna open it. Why would they. You know what I believe is the players are going to be with all the players. I do think that they're gonna ask them. What do you wanna win here? I was gonna say, do they have a, let's go home topic. I understand the girl upsets them in. I get it believe me if I didn't know what I was going to be making for the four quarters of the year one quarter of making. There's one quarter of making this one quarter that would bother me too. But in the grand scheme of things you're doing. Okay. I think what the players in the owner should both be saying we other is, are we doing the most possible girl the game? Hey, dogged about that last time. And I believe the question they should be asking each other's are we doing the most girl the game because the the only way it's going to get more successful as that. But I do believe we will see some negotiations. I would like to see it before the new year. Now I think about it, maybe not by, I do think it's going to happen sooner rather than later. They're one big story. You're most interested in like to me, I'm fascinated with the Columbus story in which. Way they go up and if it's well, you know what we have to get rid of these guys, what they end up getting preserve one for you around the NHL everywhere. Story. This is going to make everybody sick, but the biggest story in the to me is Vars in Toronto. I was born in Toronto, raising Toronto, live my life and try not the, you know, I'm not hugely fan, rebel Black Hawk fan to me. This is a huge story. Like it's your biggest market. It's a great player leaving in the prime of his career. It's a city starved for success. It's a huge story. Was it like in Lucan last night? I mean, even ask you that all they were. They were girls. People were great, and the I two is the before. The first game to virus likes the spot in the power play spun up to ours is the guy that moves like to me that says a lot. I loved it. You know, as to being the broadcast. All the people who listeners who live in smaller cities. Like, like I said, I've lived most of my life in Toronto. Thing I learned when I was working to hockey night is the farther you move out of the big city. Those are hockey's biggest fans and our most hardcore viewers. And it's important to take the game to them. The those games in Lucan. They're important because those people are appreciative and other fans and small town, say Sunday, that could be us that's a reward for them. I remember when Rinaldo came to North America, an exhibition tour, and he was playing like twenty minutes of games and looking at this going, you know, what's the big deal and soccer fans to me. He's here right. Like we don't get that. It's funny della mentioned this on teller Delo from ethic mentioned this on Twitter today. Said they considering what Elliot's just talking about here, considering how big it is and what it means to those communities. Why doesn't every single Canadian team do this every year? And they craft hockey Ville week in Calgary's playing somewhere just being should be in inch, be everywhere. Every NHL team. Every gel team should be as much as you possibly can. You should be going to a small town somewhere in your state or your province. All rights plenty. Where ideas to come in season. To thirty one thoughts. The podcast one I think are pretty a mill Delic. Thank hemming cetera bird for stopping by. Congratulations, that a wonderful career. It's going to suck not having him in the NHL is one of my favorite players to watch Elliot. I suspect you are the same. Yup. And we've got some big things coming up this year which we sort of wink app and not really talk about which involves video and perhaps YouTube as well. We might have to like drag racers across faces and. All right, thanks. Everyone who downloaded things. Everyone who listen, Evan, who is so patient while we enjoyed our season. But we are back like vertebrae thirty one thoughts. The podcast continue season to thank you so much for listening. We're back next week.
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