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20200612 Nicole Sandler Show - Stolen Democracy with Former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman

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20200612 Nicole Sandler Show - Stolen Democracy with Former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman

"The. Following program contains graphic material including offensive language fewer. This questions advised. Cheese got the news. She talks with news makers. She encourages us to laugh. And she cries with US speaking truth to power and Questioning Authority daily. It's the Nicole Sandler show. All Right? Hello and welcome to A. Friday. Oh I love it when we make it to the end of the week. I was GONNA. Say unscathed, but there's nothing unscathed about what we're all going through right now. All right well, it is Friday and today's the day. I have been looking forward to for quite some time because as you know over the last. Month or two I've spoken with former Alabama. Governor Don Siegelman on a few occasions I've also been reading his new book. The book is called stealing our democracy. How the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation and let me tell you it does indeed it does. I finally finished reading the book last night. And I it made me cry. Because what happened to a really good man should never have happened to anybody in this country it is. It is a travesty and even bigger travesty perhaps is that this story has not been screamed from the rooftops in every city around the nation now i. When this happened to Don Siegelman during that time I was doing talk radio here in south Florida then I moved to Air America where we covered this incredulously and as much as I remember most of the details most of what happened as this all went went by reading the. And reading a governor Siegelman a explanation of what happened. Just. Seeing all the behind the scenes maneuvering and what was done to this man is. Just reprehensible, it makes me so angry, and and so I, invited, the governor backed today to really go in depth into his story, because we've heard it in bits and pieces and bits and spurts, and the book lays it all out I want you to buy the book. It is officially released this coming Tuesday. It's available for preorder, and all those usual places but you must read this book and stick around. Because Governor Siegelman will join us in just a couple minutes We got a little bit of news to take care of and I want to play for you electric. Try to start each show with something, lighthearted and fun. something to give us perhaps a little laugh if that's possible in this day and age So and what I've been playing mostly over the last few months are a song parodies that that I found online mostly people dealing with the covid infection in a somewhat humorous way One is something different. It's an old friend Jill. So buell, who's been on this program many times, and is an old friend of mine from back in my music radio days in Los Angeles and she posted this video to her website last night. and and it just it works on water levels in especially works with what we're dealing with today, so we'll open the show officially with this new song from Jill, so buell and it's called owning the libs. You can guess where she's going with this one. Take it away Jill so buell. Here we go I, think no. No, it doesn't WANNA play. I'm owed no best laid plans, and all that you know what for some reason I'm not getting any audio out of there, which is really weird so I'm GonNa just. I'm going to have to play for you. The the audio version of the song because I can't tease you like that and then not play it for you so. Here, we go, Joe. You'll. Oh, no! Give me one more second oh best late. You knew I couldn't get through a show without a technical problem today right all right final final. Go here we go. You'll get it to the lives. Land. Called Kid. We're. Proudly given live. Church last Sunday. You know what did and. By given to live. Given to the calls. To whereas. Here. I try drugs me blah. Blah Blah no not sick. Campaign Gobble better way. Given. The, holly where. He got double check yet. US. Out with the how will be at Gold Kid? Wing touched seven. Thank that. Three weeks later. Wall up is moaning. Bill Brain. Your Iraq. Now. When. The nursing whereas a garbage. Next me instead. I'll give an soon. Poor husband to. This work! You. Went to church this Sunday. A new. Bag? Sue Live. How That is. Chill Chill Buell and she's just awesome. Given to the libs, a little bit of entertainment to a little bit of levity in light of our crazy situation. Great stuff always from job. You'll all right little bit of news before we get to a governor Siegelman and It is what's going on is just astounding. And I'M NOT GONNA. I'm not gonNA spend too much. You can always listen to what's news which is posted at Nicole Sandler Dot Com and also a podcast so here we go little bit of what's happening today. All right I'm not going to get into much of it because I want to get to Governor Siegelman, but let's start with this. Looting has broken out in Washington. DC again and this time. We knew it was going to happen treasury. Secretary Steven mnuchin is now flat out refusing to disclose the businesses that received five billion dollars in bailout funds through the paycheck protection program, claiming the information is confidential, four and a half million businesses received government funds, and normally the Small Business Administration Discloses the names of Borrowers from the program on which base the P. P P but statement to Mnuchin said his department considered that information, proprietary and confidential. Wow. And this, actually this has a little bit of bearing on some of what I'll be talking to the governor about the Republican led Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday authorized its chair Senator Lindsey Graham to subpoena former Obama administration officials about the origins of the intelligence communities investigation into Russian election meddling in a party line vote the panels Republican majority approved calling former director of National Intelligence James Clapper former CIA director John Brennan and the Senate Intelligence Committee concluded. In stunning study recently, which might be also one of the reasons why Richard Burr was pushed out the the Senate Intelligence Committee concluded that Russia did try to interfere on the thousand sixteen election on trump's behalf. But, but but Lindsey. Graham wants to also look into foreign surveillance applications, and why former special counsel Robert Muller was appointed in the first place, so they're are issuing all these subpoenas of course if you remember back to the molar, investigation. All of the trump administration officials denied the subpoenas. So the Democrats of course are suggesting that they subpoena as well some current and former trump allies including former attorney general. Jeff sessions and trump's son-in-law and senior adviser. Jared Kushner. Also just heading down to Louisville Kentucky from the Metro Council there voted unanimously yesterday to ban the type of no knock search warrants that police were using when they fatally shot Brianna Taylor, of course, the unarmed black emergency medical technician in her apartment, while she lay sleeping in her bed on March thirteenth, her boyfriend fired I thinking the officers were intruders well the Mayor Greg Fischer who suspended the use of those no knock warrants. Last month said he'd signed Brianna 's law immediately, tweeting out the risk to residents and officers with this kind of search outweigh any benefit that's true, but I want to know why those three cops who shot and killed. Brianna Taylor are all still walking around. Two more quick items Donald Trump appeared last night or yesterday in Dallas Texas, and an event billed as a race roundtable that he was allegedly gonNA lead it was held at a conservative and predominantly White Church in Dallas at which trump praised the national guards use of tear gas and other forceful measures to disperse Minneapolis crowds who were protesting police brutality against African Americans. He described the effort to quell a protest as a quote beautiful seen. And described where the national guard walk through like a knife cutting butter. Now trump did not mention the name George Floyd, but he said that the work of confronting bigotry would go quickly, and it'll go very easily providing we, we avoid falsely labeling tens of millions of decent. Americans as racist or bigots. You gotta be kidding me, and by the Way Dallas Texas has a black police chief, a black sheriff and a black district attorney, and none of them were invited to participate in a round-table on race and policing held in Dallas Texas with the president of the United States. It is just unbelievable. And now we learned that the orange menace will accept his Republican nomination in Jacksonville Florida in August instead of in Charlotte North Carolina, as originally planned because Donald trump wants a big crowd. He wants a pack convention center with no masks by the way and north. Carolina's Democratic Governor, said Hell no the instances of Covid, nineteen or spiking. You're not doing this in my state, and so the Flora da man chief governor of Rhonda Racist I'm Santa's obviously cares more about appeasing trump than the health and safety of Florida's citizens, so now Republican delegates will elect their nominee from Charlotte, where most of the convention. Business will still happen, but trump will make his acceptance speech three states away and front of what he expects will be a packed arena filled with without masks. But this date also coincides with another horrible day. In history in Jacksonville. It's the sixtieth anniversary of the at of ax. Handle Saturday when a white mob organized by the clan attacked mostly black civil rights protestors who were sitting at Jacksonville's whites, only lunch counters. Can this administration be that tone deaf? And and you know this is not the first instance with the campaign trail long before that with his first stop scheduled in Tulsa Oklahoma the site of one of the worst acts of racist violence. This country has ever seen next Friday a week from today. That is June nineteenth June teen a day that commemorates the end of slavery in the United States. Again. They knew what it meant and. Say. You know they knew they knew of the Tulsa history, they knew of the date but they didn't think the backlash would be so bad. Right. By the way. If you want tickets to that Tulsa rally, you can now get them. The campaign formally offered supporters the chance to register to attend, but they're requiring that anyone wishing to go. I agree not to sue the campaign or the venue. If they contract covid in nineteen, I kid you not the online sign up page, says anyone clicking to register for free tickets acknowledges that there is an inherent risk of corona virus infection quote by attending the rally you in any guests voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to Cova Nineteen and agree not to hold. Donald J trump for President Inc box center ASM Global, or any of their affiliates, directors, officers employs agents, contractors, or volunteers liable for any illness or injury. That's how little regard this president holds his supporters. Forget about the people who don't like him. This is what he's doing to his supporters. They could get sick, so what as long as they're cheering me on? Our system is broken horribly so and you think it only started during the Bush during the. Floor, Freudian slip there during the trump administration. You're sorely mistaken and this hour we will. Relieve you of those notions. We're just going to get right to him I promised. You Governor Don. Siegelman and I'm thrilled that he joins me now. Hello Governor how you doing. I'm doing great Nicole. I could listen to you all day long. Thank you. It is both informative and I was smiling most of the time, because if if anybody does it believe that our democracy is being stolen just need to listen to your broadcast. I mean. How can the Treasury Secretary? Keep from the public how they're spending five billion dollars loads. Of our money and you know what this what this was. Brought up in the negotiations over the cares act that the that the the the businesses that received the P P P funds had to be disclosed, and they sorta just pushed it off, pushed it off, pushed it off. And and frankly a shame on me. I didn't follow it closely enough, but if I had I guess I would have seen that Steven. MNUCHIN never agreed to make that information public as has always been done in the past. Well let me let me I'm GonNa jump from here. Of back to beyond a Taylor and of the three police officers who? Shot and killed her. And the reason they're still walking on the street is covered in my book stealing our democracy and let me explain. Explain why this is. while. My Book is relevant to what has happened to George Floyd Eric Gardner. Trayvon Martin and so many others that have been killed before and sets. It is because. OUR OUR SYSTEM I grand jury system allows prosecutors to set. Cops who kill people free in the secrecy of a grand jury they could be no build by not presenting evidence to the grand jury that they're guilty, but by presenting evidence to the grand jury that makes the homicide look like is justified, and that's why we see so few. Police who have been involved in fatal shootings and innocent citizens convicted charged with anything and so. In my book stealing our democracy I talk about reforming our justice system. One of the key elements is to ensure that. Both targets have grand jury such as myself as I was back in two thousand and. Two, through eight or whatever it was Or the family members of victims such as beyond Taylor or Eric Gardner, or are George Floyd have the right to have a lawyer present in the grand jury as a check on truth now. Why do we need a check on truth? Because there is no judge president, it is a secret proceeding and the United States Supreme Court has given blanket immunity to prosecutors. To willfully and intentionally present false evidence or withhold exculpatory evidence to get an indictment or conviction. This up now in the in the Los Angeles Times on January the fourth, January the V, two thousand and ten the. Legal correspondent for the Times reported that. President. Obama's lawyer argued to the United States. Supreme Court yesterday January the fourth, thousand and ten that US. Citizens do not have a constitutional right not to be frame. Ahead we need to. We need to just stop on that for a second. Because that's one of the many things that I dog eared the page and highlighted in your book. President. Obama's Solicitor General. Made this argument that US citizens do not have the constitutional right not to be framed. It's also been embedded in congressional, actually federal towards claims which also limits gives gives prosecutors free hand to. Present evidence to get a conviction or to get an indictment, they they now let me. Let me say two things one. Elena Kagan. Had Her deputy. Make the argument and it was a legal it is. It wasn't as illegal fact. You as citizens can be framed, but the fact of the matter is. The solicitor. General did not have to take that position she could have. She could have taken position and said. You know this is the law today. Because of a nineteen seventy six court decision, but we're asking you to change that decision today. This this involves two black man who spent twenty five years in prison for a crime. They didn't commit. They were suing for monetary damages now. Let me take you one step further into the legal minutia and I'll get out of it. This is I. But in a legal in a civil civil deposition, where monetary damages are. Lawyers from both sides having opportunity to act to evidence that the other side seeks to introduce. Or testimony and a judge decides whether or not it can be introduced well. That's where money is involved, but. Shouldn't we have that same legal protection? Where someone's life and liberty is at stake? Yeah, the yeah, so. That's one of the recommendations making my book, but if anybody needs proof. That! Our, democracy that our democracy is they don't believe that our democracy is being stolen. You know look at what's going on today here. You Have Donald Trump, calling in the military to go out and and. Gas protesters because he wants to have a photo or you know. Bill Bar has made so many decisions that underscore that the Department of Justice can be politicized or can be weaponized of. To a presidents will and we've simply got to. Hold. Both police prosecutors and presidents accountable for their abuses of power so far we have done a miserable job of that absolutely but. That's that's an understatement. Governor Don. Siegelman of course is our guest, the book stealing our democracy how the political assassination of governor threatens! Our nation officially hit stores on Tuesday and again it is it is, it is a tale that should be taught in schools to show the breakdown of the rule of law that shows how corrupt individuals can game a corrupt system, and how the protections that are supposed to be in place are not there so governor. I set aside a lot of time today we have the whole rest of the hour and then some. If we need it, I really WanNa go through your story, because as I said at the beginning of the show I. I remember when this was happening to you. I was doing talk radio here in Florida, then on your America and and you know, listen to what happened in disbelief. When you got sent back to prison, we'll get to this. It was just a I mean it was a knife through my heart. I can only imagine what it did to you. L. I saw some in that reading the book and getting into your head in and how this affected you and your your wonderful family? It's just what was done to. You is just just horrible, and so I do want it for their a Lotta time has passed in. There are a number of people who've come to. Embrace the news and politics late after what's been going on new world? That may not know your story, and it's so important that they know what was done to you. 'cause we're seeing it sort of repeating itself with the trump administration as his cronies and his sycophants. Are possibly worse than than bushes, but i. you know it bothers me when I see in comparison to Donald Trump, people saying oh Bush wasn't so bad well. He was that bad and the people he surrounded himself with. Were that bad, so let's start with the beginning. You were a very popular Democrat in Alabama you were secretary of state. You worked away up to attorney general then Lieutenant Governor, and eventually became governor, and you were so popular, not only among the Democrats, but among Republicans to that, your name was being floated as a potential Democratic presidential candidate for two thousand four. That's until Karl Rove got involved right. Right. And I want to. Give some perspective because. My. Being elected to public office wasn't an easy feat, considering that I was running in probably the most conservative, but one of the most conservative states in the in the country and you know, I was I was a a Robert. Kennedy Jane Fonda Democrat. Eddie you are a progressive and I need to make that clear to the people listening. There are some Democrats. Doug Doug Smith has a cameo in your book the current Senator from from Alabama, who who is a Democrat, but not a progressive. You are a progressive. You're one of us and that's why I take it so personally. I'm sorry continue. Well I was I was elected to the National Board of the Americans Americans for Democratic Action. Noted Liberal Organization grew out of the Socialist Movement in the forties. I was elected to their national board in nineteen seventy. One I worked in the dump Johnson Movement I worked in the L. Rowan Lowenstein. You ran for Congress and on Long Island. At graduate from Georgetown went to Oxford England One of the former governors told me I should tell everybody that was Oxford Mississippi. They'd like that a whole lot better that. I came back into worked against George Wallace's attempt to take over the State Democratic Party but anyway I found myself. Being elected was drawn into public office, because I wanted to change things and make things better for people. And I! I did have a good run was the longest running elected a Democrat in the southeast at the time that I decided that I'd had enough of George Bush's war policies is senseless, education, economic policies and that I I had to enter the primaries starting in South Carolina. As a southern progressive kind of along the lines of Carter and Clinton to break the the Republican stronghold on the South and. I think he was at that point that call rogue decided enough is enough. And I was targeted for prosecution by. Koros client. The State Attorney General now. If you want me to I can. I can go ahead and go through a litany of grove connections to my case, but I wanted to give you a chance to go ask. Different Greg. Thank you and I. I need to correct myself to things. It was five hundred billion dollars in the program. I said five billion first because the number so astounding and I just wanted to make that correction because it was five hundred billion dollars that they were used to tell us where it's going. And the senator from Alabama is Doug Jones Not Doug Smith I was having a brain fart I'm please. Common. I knew. I Hate I hate when I get something wrong. I like to like to correct it and please do point out if I screw something up. But yes, the tangled web around Karl Rove is important because the people that he enlisted to carry out his dastardly deed We're all involved throughout your whole time in in Politics Alabama from Laura Canary. The prosecutor to her husband, who worked so so do tell us the players because. I mean we do a flow chart. Because there are a number of them involved. Let me, let me let me say two things. First of all. They're baby people listening who are not familiar or not familiar enough with Karl Rove right. He. He. He was he was the architect. They say Bush's brain. See he was Bush's brain. During Bush's presidency. He was a political operative. He was he was raised about Lee Atwater, and but he has a sordid past that goes back to Richard Nixon when he worked in the Nixon White House doing dirty tricks I of even before then, but he worked as a work with George. Hubert Walker Bush in his reelection. In Nineteen ninety-two. His his sidekick hit the guy who was in charge of the ground. Troops for the Bush quayle campaign was Billy Canary Right. The IT worked. It worked with Reagan and Bush in anyway so. After the ninety two election after they lost to Bill Clinton and Al Gore. They? Rose and billy came to Alabama and because billionaire he had a girlfriend there. They decided they could set up a political shop in Alabama. Start over, and so they did rove move through of Rosemary Beach in the Gulf coast and Billy Canary Moves to Alabama they both married Alabama goals and settled in for the long haul to rebuild their political future by taking over the Alabama Supreme, court. I had I had of course. Indirect run INS with with them periodically from nineteen, ninety four, until the year two thousand and two, but in two thousand, nine, hundred, ninety nine after I'd been elected governor. I was an investigation was started by Carl rose client the attorney general. Bill Pryor who now sits on an anti these the chief judge of the Eleventh Circuit of Spring of the Alabama. The Court of Appeals. In Atlanta. And When my, when I was running for office in two thousand and two. The night of the election, my I one but. A second and third set of returns were produced by the. PROBATE judge Sheriff in circuit clerk that a essentially wiped out sixty two hundred mile votes and gave the election to buy opponent again just just to stress. What happened here that the polls closed the first you know the the precincts counted you. Were you one It was eleven o'clock at night. Everyone went home later on. All of a sudden new numbers came from the Republican. Headquarters or something where. Somebody in the dead of night, switched the numbers from a few of the polling places, and all of a sudden you were behind, and and they certified those numbers before the deadline without anybody ever seeing those ballots. Yes. I. When I realized what was what was happening that there were stealing the election. I I called and requested. A hand recount of the paper ballots in this one precinct. Where my votes went missing, right? Before we could get to this South Alabama county the next morning. The State Attorney General Koru client had has seized the ballots and sees the cassettes at from that are from the the voting machines in each count in each. took all of the election supplies and went to Montgomery and certified the opponent as a winter. Noted illegally because they weren't supposed to be counted or certified until. Friday noon after the election right of. The the misery. Starts to unfold a little more clearly. When? We have evidence that Jock, Abramov, who's a one of Karl Rove's? Three College Republican buddies the other to grover norquist. And Ralph Reed Non Lane Aunt. But all three of them were involved in funnelling. Twenty million dollars of Indian casino money. From Mississippi in Alabama. In an effort to defeat me and to defeat. A ballot initiative which I had proposed, which would have provided for Free College Education for all of Alabama's children out right in a free universal. pre-k or Early learning now this this Education Fund, this ballot initiative was four a lottery which many states have lotteries state lotteries go to benefit education and this was a project. This was a pet project of yours that you had been working on for a long time and they they chose that. To go after you on and keep in mind again that this was a state lottery. Program you wanted to put into effect to benefit education in your state, and they turned it around and accused you of taking a bribe. This the bribe was the broad. The Co was was based on a campaign contribution to the ballot initiative. Of to the Campaign Fund for the Ballard Initiative Right. And it was alleged that I had. Made a deal to put this contributor. Back on board. From which he resigned by the way back on a board on where she had served for twelve years under three previous governors. A? Go back to, but he did it because I asked him to. It was not like this is a favor. You give me a contribution I'm going to name you to this board here. Already served on it and he really didn't WanNa. Do it anymore, but he said he would because you asked him to. Write. You said he would do it for year. No more and that was. That's what he did, but. There was no allegation of any self-enrichment Schemer, no allegation of any Personal benefit to me whatsoever, but the judge told the jury that they could could could consider the contribution. To the ballot initiative as a thing of value to me, because is supported free college education for the for our kids, and that was that was the source of the money for the for the. Education, okay Sir you're talking. They're saying that constituted a quid pro quo. Now we've all learned a lot about would pro quo through the deal with the Ukrainian President Donald Trump said you open an investigation into Biden, and we'll give you the the the the the financial aid that you've been needing. That's quid pro quo. What you? Express Express with pro quo. and. That's the kind of quid pro quo that the Supreme Court. said in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, one in the McCormick case would constitute a broad right, but yet when the Senate. The Republican Senate were confronted with that. They changed one hundred years of history and said Oh. No, that's not a bribe, but in my case when there was no quid pro quo, and there was no personal benefit, I was convicted and sent to prison for eight months of for trying to help the kids Valhalla, but it was all thought it was just as an attempt to get me out of the way because they didn't want me in that two thousand four presidential rice, but the you know. I. So. Comparisons. We made one to the quid pro quos, mind, non existent and trump's. Yeah, but the other the other point of this is. And one that I wanted to make in the book. I think I did is that a the Department of Justice can be used as a political weapon. It was during the Bush administration to come after me. They also went after Jim Doyle. In A. MINNESOTA. Not Sure! He wasn't a governor from. A democratic governor as well and. And then they they fired Republican US attorneys. Who would not go laughter Democrat right? We remember that bolster the Republican. And, these were US attorneys who had been appointed by George W Bush. They weren't holdovers from the Democrats. It was his own appointees who were doing his political bidding enough so they they had a mass firing, and that was a big controversy that I remember very clearly well, this is all. Sorry, go back continue. There were there were seventeen editorials in the new. York, times about my case about the need to. Investigate Karl Rove's involvement. And John. Conyers, blessed soul was was. Hot on the trail, he was the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and he he wanted to call Rove to testify under oath about the firing of the Republican US attorneys and also the The selective prosecution and political misconduct prosecutorial misconduct case. Off. Rove. Never! Would never agree to testify under oath. And unfortunately, when when President Obama was elected, they gave him a pass allowed him to. Talk to speak to Adam shift. As a member of the house. Committee but not under oath, and even during during that time they asked him about. Billy Canary. He said I. Don't know if I remember him or not. Well. Clearly he was lying, but he wasn't under oath, so wouldn't make any difference, and then they ask him about another one of his his deputy at the white. House or Namus Kitty McCulloch or Kelly Kimbro. Name! Any claimed he didn't really know who she was either, but she was not only working with the White House she was working to him on the ground in Alabama. Overseeing directly overseeing by. A Re election in two thousand and two. She was sitting at the desk with the Republican Party chairman when they called the Baldwin County probate judge said. y'All got to do something about this vote in Baldwin County or otherwise, our candidate for governor is going to lose. Encirclement is going to win. It was then that they went back in and made the change in the vote total, after which again call rose quiet, sees the ballots before they could be counted, and and took them away and certified. My opponent is winter at that point, governor. Somebody should have stepped in who should have stepped in to fix this mess at that point. Well at that point. That was two thousand and to the White House and the Justice Department. And the US Attorney's were controlled by George. W. Bush, but you think you would think that the DNC. Or members of Congress would have gotten. So exercised about this. That, they would have. Started an investigation and would have demanded that those ballots be turned over to somebody so we can have a recount. And that never happened, but nothing was done amazing so. You know the the point. The point I want to make is the point of making my book, is it? My election was hot. It was it was done through a computer, and it was the guy that took credit was a there was a staff member of Bob. Riley's my opponent, who claimed he was a an elections? security specialists trained by the software company that operated the machines in Baldwin County. Any went to work immediately after the election for a Jack Abramov tolerance. Related of. Lobbying firm, the Alexandria group. He was anyway. So the point is the point I want to make is that elections can be stolen today through hacking at. It doesn't have to be the Russians. Could be call Rove's buddy, or it could be somebody else's and now back to the point I made at the beginning of your program. We now know that that that President Bush has extended a hand, or maybe I didn't make this point I wanted to call. Joy. Not George Bush dot Karl Rove But But the orange the orange. Orange Mountain see us. President trump is extended a hand to Karl Rove to come to the White House they have. And made up. Because they were, they were agree at each other in two thousand and sixteen and now. Why would why would? Why would president trump need Karl Rove because he is a whiz kid at. Stealing or or causing? Elections to fall to Republicans young. Direct direct evidence in Alabama in nineteen, ninety four. When he when I say, he stole election for the Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court by getting some two thousand. what I thought were were valid. Absentee ballots thrown out, and then he was involved of course in creating the chaos around the two thousand election between Bush and Gore Florida. and. He is an expert. At this in two thousand and twenty when we're going to see a massive number of absentee ballots being cast, you can bet that Karl Rove will have people at every county courthouse throughout the country. To Challenge. Absentee ballots that are coming in from democratic controlled pre-sex. They're gonNA try to suppress. And have as many of those ballots thrown out as possible to help swing the election back to Donald trump the other thing you can watch. Is that Ralph Reed? With his bogus Christian coalition is probably going to be trying to Get the Evangelical. Christian ride involved in the in the trump campaign and he'll be beating those drums to to get out the vote. so we got. We got job on her hands to. Protect our democracy, and that's what again that's what my book is about right, and that's why it's imperative that people know what happened to paraphrase trump You know if you. IGNORE HISTORY! You're bound to repeat it. We need to not only make sure this is not repeated, but I think Karl Rove and Bill Canary and Laura. Canarian everybody involved with what they did to. You needs to be held to account, but we'll get to that so. Two thousand two. Your reelection was derailed because they stole it from you, and then while you're living within your indicted. Now. We know what. We've got to. We've got a little little more Buckingham. Showing in in two thousand and three, when my Republican opponent took over as governor. He immediately proposed a tax increase that even the state Republican Party opposed. His popularity dropped the the political surveys that were immediately around that period of time, showed that in a head to head contests with me in two thousand six that I would win by like sixty six percents. So the Republican Party chairman. Then went to Washington DC Jeffrey. BEAUREGARD general beauregard sessions. He's named after the confederate general. So He goes to see jeff sessions and and convinces him that he's the only person who can run for governor on the Republican side. Who can beat me in two thousand six? Jeff sessions had served as US attorney in Mobile South Alabama. His contingent of F. B. I. Agents, several of them resigned and came to work for the state as independent investigators, they were eventually hard by the state, and they was those retired F.. B. I. Agents who had worked for Jeff Sessions. Who investigated me for? Nearly four years tried to build these bogus cases while sessions himself was considering running against the governor. that's the first case. Came in two, thousand and four, the the judge had been on the bench for twenty nine years said it was the most unfounded criminal case over which she presided in his entire. Service on the bench and dismissed with prejudice. and. Then shortly after I announced I was running of my official announcement that I was running for governor two, thousand, six, hundred ninety again. This time on the bribery charge and You know the history from there is convicted sent to prison for. Well spent five years in prison right now, there was a time you were let out because. There was your lead out on appeal. Where were a three judge panel from the Circuit Court of Appeals said, wait a minute. This is bogus. Let you out to. For the in advance of the retrial. And during that time it looked like you know you're going to prevail because you didn't do anything wrong. It did look like going to prevail. What happened? Sixty minutes and I you know I give them credit this largely because Scott pelley out a twelve minute segment February the twenty, fourth, two, thousand and eight. Where they? Had I a Republican attorney general from Arizona. Who had been John McCain campaign manager co-chairman in two thousand. WHO said that? You know this Alabama's one state. Where they they couldn't. They couldn't beat circle fair and square, so they targeted him with this prosecution, then he, they interviewed the witness that had. Nick Bailey who was? The Real Crook and all less And he said he told sixty minutes that he had been he had. Either spoken to or been. Smoking the investigators prosecutors over seventy times over the course of some four and a half years and he had been made to write and rewrite his proposed testimony over and over until he got his answers. The way the government wanted them. There was a parallel government paralegal present. Tomorrow Grimes a Republican. Who? Gave a sworn statement, a whistleblower excitement and. She said that she was present, while that particular witness was coached and cajoled and pressured to remember things that he clearly did not recall. Of. So that's that's how the government got. Its conviction in the chargers were initiated not by the FBI but by Jeff Jeff sessions retired F. B. I., agents. I was brought to trial one month before the two thousand six elections. By the US attorney whose wife whose husband was call Rose Business, partner Billy Canary. So. While I was while I was. Being investigated and charged. The US. Attorney's husband was connected to Karl. Rove, but he was also running my opponent's campaign. Fund and there are so many instances like this that are just so wrong that in a normal court of law would have a case thrown out immediately conflict of interest, but you had a judge judge fuller. who was so against you from the start that on every front? I mean you were not allowed to even bring up the idea that this was a political prosecution. You weren't allowed to mention politics in your defense. I mean I would think that on appeal alone would have the case thrown out. You would. You would think also that this is. This was revealed after by. Conviction! But. John Conyers was pressing the Department of Justice for an investigation. They sent a letter. A sealed letter to the House Judiciary Committee that was released by an anonymous whistleblower in the I guess you can have an anonymous before in the House Judiciary Committee staff. It was published by the project on government oversight. And the the letter in the letter from the Department of Justice John Conyers say said. Politics was not involved in settlements prosecution, but the the lead prosecutor conducting the investigation. Was emailing settlements, opponents campaign manager, giving him updates on the. Department of Justice investigation now I don't know what you would call that. But the Department of Justice said it wasn't political, and it wasn't political that my you know my my the US attorney's husband was was working for my opponent managing his campaign so anyway we we have a lot to straighten out in this country and you know I'm. I'm sorry that I was the Guinea pig, but we've got a wrote this book so I could expose. Some of the. The wrongdoing, but the book is not about me. It is about saving our democracy. What happened to me happen? We can't erase it. I can't go back. not governor of not going to be governor nugget. Enter the president your rice, but you know we've got to. We've got to protect our democracy from these kinds of abuses of power. Now let's take it down to to back down to George Floyd and Eric Gardner and We will let let one one more thing. I want to get at. Though you you. You point so many figures in the last time we spoke. The last two times we spoke it was about problems. For instance, those people still in prison to are such great risk of cove infection. It's just the way people are treated. When you were I found guilty, you were you were led from the courtroom in shackles. You are taken directly to prison and put in solitary confinement. You are held in solitary confinement for an inordinate amount of time on a number of occasions for what I'm John I'm I was sick for you reading this I. I was arrested once for daring to try to my then Congressman Allen West a question about his vote to privatize Medicare and thrown in jail, and put in solitary by myself for a matter of hours and I thought I was going crazy I can't imagine what you went through, and they did this to you. For what good reason for no good reason, and there's no controls over this. This still happens every day that prisoners are thrown into isolation and left there for weeks and. Let me. Let me mention this. I got it I got a text I got an email. Indirectly from an inmate in prison today. Going to reveal his name of course, because they would get him in trouble right, but he is, he has been in solitary confinement for fifty seven days now, because Kobe nineteen. He. He did not test positive. He didn't have the virus, but he has been segregated as well as. I don't know how many other inmates have been subjected to this kind of. You know it. Unnecessary it short of torture for sure I mean it's not like waterboarding, but it does pray it does it does? It it's it's not pleasant. And I spent fifty nine days in solitary confinement. He's spent fifty seven days so far. and It's just not right now. What we did or I in buy is not right. Are Yeah I know you want it and we're going to go just warning people. We're going to run a little long governor. Hope that's okay with you, but I want to. There's so much WanNa get you We will end on progressive voices at six o'clock at the top of the hour in about five minutes. This show will continue at Nicole Sandler Dot com on Youtube on facebook it'll be. Be in the PODCAST and it'll be archived, so come on over afterwards, and you can hear the rest of it i. just want to let people know that we're not gonNA end until until we're done talking, so you wanted to talk about George Floyd and the correlations to what was done to him with your case and what you learned while being incarcerated for eight eight months so go ahead. Well the the way to correct this and I just WanNa to make it clear, is it? We have got. We've got to. We've got to flip this pronouncement. That you have citizens do not have a constitutional right not to be framed. We've got to change the paradigm. We've got to ensure that that one that. That the there, we repeal the immunity for prosecutors, so they cannot willfully and intentionally put people in prison for things they didn't do. We need to. Repeal the exempt the not for prosecutors for withholding. They've been a hundred and fifty people on death row who have been exonerated because of prosecutorial misconduct so we've got to correct this. People's lives are at stake, but the reason why. Cops who murder people are not held accountable is because the family members do not have the right to have a lawyer present in the grand jury, and that is where cops who murdered people within. Can Murder People with impunity? It can be set free, and the innocent can be charged. It's a it's incredible when so you're in prison. You were imprisoned under George W. Bush he had the appeal. You lost on the appeal, which was just shocking. Because there's no way you should have been convicted there. There's something else that I learned. That that, you talk about also at the end of the book that you WanNa. See this fixed. I didn't know this was a thing. Acquitted conduct time added to the sentence of of a of somebody who testifies on their own behalf and If you do that, you're going to be able to explain this better than I can if you testify on. On Your own behalf and you're found guilty. They can say they can charge you with perjury on top of everything else saying that. If you were found guilty, you were obviously lying. Also if there's other charges that you're quitted of, but you're found guilty on some you can still be. You can still be sentenced for those charges upon which you were acquitted. My. The judge in my case, there's more to talk about about the judge. Knock and why he was so adamant. That I was convicted, but he tripled tripled by guideline range because of acquitted conduct matters for which the jury had found not guilty Oh my God but. This goes on every day every day hundreds of times a day, probably going when judges. Ed Time to a defendant's sentence based on chargers, for which they were found not guilty, because the judge said the ad, they found you not guilty, but. Kind of thank you were so. I'm GONNA add some time to it and Oh, by the way. You committed a couple of crimes years ago. You, know you you did serve your time in prison for that but I need some more time. Editor Centers for relevant conduct and oh by the and. You testified on your own behalf and the jury didn't believe you, so you are obviously lines, so that's perjury or you're trying to obstruct justice. I'm going to add some more time. We found A. You had a gun in your hand gun in your. In your nightstand it was licensed to you. It wasn't used in the commission of a crime. Nobody's ever. That you had any big you the gun ever, but I'm gonNA give you five more years. Forget you had a gun. Your House Oh my God, so they they just and but that's not the end of the story either. This one I have a chapter. My book which you know saving one Garcia. What Garcia was my bunk mate? He slept above me on the on the top bunk. And I asked him one day. I said you know what what what brought you here. And he said marijuana as tell me about it, and they say well I had to marijuana I got. I got caught in ninety, four, ninety, nine, and ninety, seven and ninety nine anyway so i. ask him to see his legal the legal documents. And there was this brief by the federal government. And they were arguing in the brief that he should be given twenty five years to life in prison. because. He was convicted in nineteen, ninety, four, and a half ounce of marijuana or more nervous, convicted of felony given probation. In nineteen, ninety-seven convicted of one half of one half ounce of marijuana are more had had given a felony given probation in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety nine. He was a wrapped up in they marijuana conspiracy. No amount of marijuana was charged by the government. But the judge sentenced him to twenty five years in prison. He served. One! Garcia served nineteen years in prison before I wrote a petition for clemency, which was granted and he got out. But, that's the kind of insane things that we do to people of Color. And it is, it is just. So, sad and sickening to see these young men. Who have been taken from their young children for? You know piddly drug charges. You know, yes, they the Baltimore, drug, charges. Now, there's another another guy and he's really wonderful. Decent human being zebras mark well and Markelle was. Asked him I. It took a long time for him to agree to talk to me about it, but. in the process is this guy who was. He was he was a black man African. American sixty was about six five. And He, he broke down started crying because he was telling me the story about his mother. And how? You know he was a kid, and his mother had issues I didn't go into what the issues were, but You know the electricity would be turned off the water be turned off and he. He saw opportunity to sell marijuana when he was like eleven years old and. so he went down to the street corner and Eventually was able to. Get some money to turn the electricity onto the water on, and and that's how it started, and his first charge was marijuana. The second charge I think was marijuana. Third Charge was the there was a In both of those who was put on probation, the third charge was a cocaine charge and Because, he was black. I assume that he was going to be making crack out of that. And so he was sentenced to twenty five years in prison and he served. Twenty three of those he went in when he was twenty three. I think he got got out last year. Just. Two young children when he wanted to. People don't think about they don't think about. Yeah, win this in this rush to judgment in this. You know for so long. We were caught up in this. Lock them up. Throw away the key mentality of the war on war on drugs worn on crime. It was a war on. Men and women of Color. And we just we. Prosecutors took to their job with with zest and they they were instructed by the Department of Justice to seek the harshest penalty. And they did. They locked up these young men. For decades taking them them away from their children, their wives their their. Spouses and destroying their family and no telling what they did to those kids by. You know and we just got to rethink and You. Know our our criminal justice laws and Bring some sense into it and we've got a ways a long ways to go anyway I hope to play a part in that and. That's part of the reason why I wrote. This book is I. Want to. I want people to read it. Understand it, so we have the credibility to go to Congress and argue for the changes that need to be made. To set things right, absolutely governor Siegelman Don. Siegelman is with US and again the new book is finally coming out this Tuesday stealing our democracy, how the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation, and it does, and we've gone through so much of your story, but we're still not done in you. Do Answer one of the burning questions. I had all along which was never answered to my satisfaction. And you answered it in the book, though I'm not satisfied, and that is. You were in prison you. You were prosecuted persecuted by the Bush administration. And then Barack Obama gets elected finally a Democrat and African American. He brings an Eric holder as attorney general. I certainly thought okay. There's going to be justice done here finally. They're gonNA. Look at this case and say Oh my God. The governor was framed. He was set up. He was railroad he was. This was a political persecution. They're going to do something about it. and. The one of the most heartbreaking lines in the book is. I'm probably not gonNA. Find it because okay. Oh, here! It is president. Obama, left the White House on January twentieth, two, thousand seventeen. I stayed in prison until February eighth twenty seventeen. The Obama. Administration did nothing to help you and I know it was not for lack of trying I, know I signed petitions and letters in You know as someone out here, saying this man has been railroaded. He's been persecuted. What happened people. Era Colder contacted Obama but eric holder had a connection with Karl. Rove, didn't he? He well I don't know his connection to Karl Rove. I do know that that. His law firm represented Karl Rove and represented. The are C- Republican National Committee of. And and There was you know there was a connection and there there. Are you know obviously connections between Karl Rove and. Eric holder and President Obama. the, the thing that bothers me about this is that. They they had they had to know what was going on. There was no it was no secret what had happened to me one hundred and thirteen. Hundred Thirteen state attorneys general and a number of governors who, around the country, joined in tried to get the attention of the Obama Administration tried to get the attention of Eric holder. And while they were of? Busy exonerating Ted Stevens Republican senator from Alaska which should have they should have dun rite of. For prosecutorial misconduct. My case was riddled with far more, prosecutorial, more serious, prosecutorial misconduct misconduct, but Nothing was done. There was one person at the Department of Justice. David Margolis who was there when Eric holder I joined with the justice system. The criminal justice I mean the Department of Justice. After. He got out of Law School And you know, there's been speculation that he that he just depended on David Margolis. For everything Margolis was the one who approved of this bogus charge back in two thousand and four that was thrown out of court after. Lesson. You know twelve hours. The judge said it was the most unfounded criminal case. It ever presided over and then. David Margolis approved of all of the charges in two thousand and six, for which the jury found me not guilty. All of the acquitted conduct was approved by David Margolis. David Margolis fired the. The? Department of Justice. Whistleblower, tomorrow Grimes Paralegal who said she watched. A witness was coached and cajoled and threatened. Pressure to say things that he clearly didn't remember. So margolis was up to his neck in that, but he was also up to his neck in the US attorney firing scandal, he had worked with the White House the Bush Whitehouse to fire and replace those those us. Attorneys a higher remember Dick Durbin and Sheldon Whitehouse. Getting very upset with David Margolis but again. You know while they reprimanded him. Nothing nothing was. But he was up to his eyebrows in my case, and because of that, he was probably telling Eric holder. No, we don't WanNa do that. It's going to make the Department of Justice. Look bad if we if we open this. Clear the worms, wow! Did you ever hear from Obama anybody in the administration about why? They ignored your your case why there was no pardon or clemency or anything? No nothing. BELIEVABLE JUST UNBELIEVABLE! You mentioned John Conyers, who was always in your in your court. Who was? Trying to help you was anybody else in the Democratic Party stepping out to help you. Well there were a number of Congressmen who were on the House. Judiciary Committee. Some of whom are still there. And I a good relationship with them, but Yeah I, mean we had? You know. What we heard favorable things from from of course from steady hardy was a big supporter at John, Lewis and town. Harry Reid profess that he was going to try to help and. we heard the same thing feedback from chuck. Schumer of and Terry McAuliffe said that he was going to try to help, but. You would think that with all those people trying to help that something would have. Something would have happened. You know. A couple other things I wanNA point out is when you went back for the second trial on the appeal. The jury was hung for weeks. The judge that same judge fuller who had other problems after your case was in the news. His instructions to the jury were very one sided. And then when they came back and said we can't come to. You had a couple of people who were conflict of interest on people in the jury, who there was evidence that they were talking with the prosecution. There was all kinds of stuff wrong with this, but the judge kept admonishing. This jury was sequestered. who had been away from home for weeks that you will stay here? He said I've got nothing better to do. I'll stay here until Christmas if I have to and made them come back with a verdict. This is unheard of, isn't it? Was it? It was something that shocked me when I heard him. He said Look I've been appointed to life. I can keep your next year if I want to bring, said these are his words, he said, bring me a verdict or a partial verdict. and to me when you say verdict to a jury they made. That means a guilty verdict that. Acquitted him. So, yeah, he stepped over the line, but He and I had had political conflicts going back to nineteen I mean every election. He was on the other side. He was on the Republican. Executive Committe at he. He opposed MY A. Ballot Initiative to give college. Free College Education to kids. And that was the heart of my. You know of of the bribery. Charge was a contribution to the education lottery referendum, so he should have recused. He didn't recuse. As you pointed out and as In the documentary, atticus versus the architects. Which is free on Amazon came by well. Okay I'll put a link to it. Out of CUS VERSUS THE ARCHITECT The a political assassination Don siegelman. But this judge. Is just a bad bad person. Horrible. I I Y filed for divorce for abuse, and they also alleged that he was addicted to alcohol drugs during the time of my trial. And then. His. The. Anyway is. Wife called the cops and there was nine one one audio of him beating her. which we all I this was while I was at America. I remember very clearly in this is the judge. In the Siegelman case, so then you had a perfect. Appeal and you, did you? You had the case ready to go to Supreme Court. And they we went. We went to the Supreme Court three times, but. But I WANNA finish judge fuller. So. This bothers me, too. Because, this is another. Abuse of power. So here here is this judge? Who has viciously beaten his wife with glass broken whiskey all over the place. She's caught. She's pull chunks of her hair out. He's hit her. He's kicked her. there. So, there's an investigation by the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals. The investigation is set to something called the United States judicial, conference Is made up of the every chief judge from all of the different circuits and a few of the district court judges were around the country. They set. What is an indictment? To John Bainer. who was then speaker of the House saying that they were certifying that they had substantial? That judge fuller, judge, Mark Everett Fuller. Had beaten his severely beaten his wife violently. At least eight times. Before this incident at the Ritz Carlton in, ATLANTA! Now. They said he had perjured himself before federal investigators that he had lied to federal investigators. How? We have seen. Other people lie to federal investigators. Charged with a client right if if if the average man or woman. was charged with. Violently beating. His spouse is, why? They would be charged with several different felonies and sentenced to prison. Yup, the George Fuller was given A. Energy Anger Management Course. La Allowed to retire with full benefits, and that's not the end of the story about George Fuller. Just one more that I'll I'll drop jokes fuller, but he had had a sideline business. He was not a judge, but he was a defense contractor. Had A company called dossier. Say the Asian. Recently sold it for two billion dollars Oh. My God, but during during the trial. He had applied for and a hundred seventy four million dollar a year contract with the. United States. Air Force. And after the trial. It was awarded to Dasa the Asian to judge Fuller's company on. One, hundred seventy four million dollars each year for ten years renewable, and he sold the company two billion dollars. So. Anyway. That's also brought out in the documentary. Yes, and I will put a link to it on Amazon. The documentary abacus versus the architect Don Siegelman this has cost you everything you you. You know you worked in your public servant. You worked in government. Any retirement savings our savings. You had went to pay for your legal defense so when you got out of. Prison your wife had medical issues from a horrific car accident. You suffered before you went to jail and your kids. You know you talked about the effect. Being imprisoned has on families. Your kids were young. They were what eleven fourteen when this all started. And now they're adults. Your son went to law school, so he could work on your case I mean this. This has derailed your entire life. And as we mentioned before it sounds through everything all the issues with Judge Fuller, and the the his jury instructions and everything else that you had a perfect case for appeal, and you did go to the supreme. Court and you were waiting for them to take the case. They just said No. We're not going to hear it. It's the what. I yeah, we appeal three times and the the the first time we appealed it was based on. That initial finding by the three judge panel. That there were substantial questions of law and fact that would likely result in reversal and so the Supreme Court. Is that point? Sent the case back to the eleventh circuit. Saying? Take another look at this based on the. The actual definition of bribery which is. Not Not involving campaign contribution, but where there are, there's a briefcase of money where there's some self-enrichment scheme and the eleventh circuit said No. We still think that settlement is guilty, so we're GONNA lead. Let the convictions stand. We took the issue of acquitted conduct up to the Supreme Court as well. and that was that was. Denied. And then we saw a trial, we were asking for discovery because we knew that we had. Evidence that. The lead prosecutor was emailing my Republican opponents campaign manager. Giving them updates on the investigation. So, we thought if if there was A. There was one email that the united. States. Department of Justice had the probably were others, and they were probably linked called, roved prosecution, and of course. Our request for discovery was denied so anxious for. Those Call Roe v by also surface at some point because I'm sure that we would find his fingerprints all over my case, but now you're telling us that that that Donald trump the orange menace is trying to make nice with Karl. Rove so maybe can use some of his dirty tricks. In the two thousand twenty election, we know that that trump will stoop to nothing to. Do know no boundaries when it comes to trying to do whatever he needs to do to stay in office. Because I think he knows that the minute he's a civilian again. He should be arrested and sent to jail. He would if if there was justice in this country. What would hopefully they'll build chain him to Mnuchin to. Five hundred billion dollars to their friends and not. Telling us out offering any kind of public accountability. This is why they got rid of all of the Inspector General's. Yeah They didn't want any report coming out on how they were going to know. And Yeah I'm just awful, and it seems like the trump administration is following that Bush playbook I mean he even brought in someone to do away with anyone in the administration, who is not suitably pro-trump, enough This is not how America is supposed to be Don Siegelman. I'm telling you the the book. Just broke my heart, even though I knew the story. I knew what happened reading it again in this one you know. Volume was just heartbreaking because I see in you. What what? We could've been what we could have had, and there's no reason for this and the fact that the Democratic Party did nothing to come to. Your defense sours me on them even more obviously I have no. No love lost for the Republicans and I'm not even going I'm just really disappointed that we don't have a party that we can rely on to stand up for the rule of law, and for the really good people. We have who are working hard for the people of this country. Well Amen. That's all I can say to that go. You you have a phenomenal of putting things and. So, sometimes. You know the less said the better. Let you be my spokesperson I. Gotcha and I I wish I could I'd scream from the rafters and I do, and I have a you know I'm so. Appreciative to have this opportunity to speak with you about this again. I've followed your case all these years. We spoke a couple of times and I spoke with Dana while you were imprisoned as well and. I, just my heart goes out to you and your family for what you've been put through. This should happen to nobody. Nobody in this country ever and yet it does. The abuse of power that happened to me happened. In the in the in the in the halls of power in in. The Court House what happened to. Two more George Floyd and Eric Gardner and others happens on the streets of America every day, and you know, and it is we we'd. Know again the point of my book is that we we. You know George Floyd paid the ultimate price. Now it is up to us as citizens to create new policies, new politics and new laws to protect the most vulnerable. From abuses of power by police prosecutors are presidents. Without a doubt, the book stealing our democracy is officially out this Tuesday. Do yourself a favor by it. Read it share it. Everybody needs to know this story and you're right governor. Siegelman, it's not just about you, but it is about you because the the Republicans and Karl Rove saw somebody who was. A really good governor who was beloved by the people from both parties. Who had you know? Who who could have brought wonderful things to this nation, and they went after you for precisely those reasons, and this should never happen again, and what kills me is that? You know nobody came to your rescue. Nobody is coming to our rescue right now. That's why we have to do it. We all must stay out in the streets and protests for what's right and most importantly we need to vote. We need to get this criminal out of office, but all our problems will not then be solved because Joe Biden. I'm sorry is not. A return to the Obama Administration will not fix these things. The Obama Administration led us down on your behalf as well and we need. We need to do better than that. We need to do better as a nation. We need to do better as a party. We need to do better. Well let me let me be closed by saying saying this if if we're going to end systemic racism. if we're going to heal this country. Then we we've got to see transformative changes in our education economic healthcare in criminal justice systems and That means. In my judgment. Our president. Our next president has to see that every child regardless of where they're born into whom the color of their skin, their economic status whether they're immigrants are whether they are citizens that every child is able to reach their God, given potential through education that means two things. One, we've got to have free early learning for every child. And secondly we've got to offer free higher education for every student who stays in school stays out of trouble and makes certain grades. They don't have to go to college, but they can get higher. Education are training, so they can get a better job or they can go on to be an engineer. To fix the economic system. We've got to have more and better jobs not to have you know. NEW NEW uses for renewable energy to combat climate crisis. We've got to. We've got to create jobs. For All. These people who have been. Displaced by krona virus. There are many jobs that this country needs done that. The country needs to pay for in that as we've got to have a president, who is going to face up to the fact that it is wrong when one percent on fifty percent of the wealth of three families, rather fifty percent of the wealth and one percent ninety two percent. And when when large companies pay no taxes at all, so we've got to have a president who is going to fix our tax system for for decades? We've been told that it's the immigrants in. It's the welfare. Mothers is the people on government programs that are dragging down the middle class. Taxpayers know is some middle class taxpayers that are footing the bill for the one percent, so we've got to reverse that in our next president has addressed this issue, and then we live in the richest country in the world, and no one should go to bed. Hungry homeless without healthcare healthcare must be a right for every American and you know it doesn't matter whether you are. Know whether you're poor whether you've got mental or physical disabilities or whether you are in prison. You know this country is big enough and strong enough to take care of you, so we we need to make some changes and we can do it. We can, if we work hard enough and long enough in this for this election in two thousand and twenty, if if the people on the streets will. Will, after they protest will will come back and we'll work if they will find a candidate. A local candidate or steak, candidate or presidential candidate in whom they believe in trust in worked for them and help them get elected. We can change the way things happened in this country. If we elect a good mayor, they will appoint a police chief. If we elect a good governor, they will appoint a good prison commissioner. If we elect good president, they will appoint good US attorneys judges, but it is up to us as citizens to to make this kind of change happen. We can make this country what it should be, but you know. We just gotTA DIG in and. We gotta do it. Governor Don Siegelman thank you so much on behalf of my listeners because I don't really speak for more people, but number one I. Thank you for all the work you've done and for everything you stand for and number two. I apologize for letting you down. Because what happened to you should never have happened, and we should have been able to do something about it. Instead we stood by feeling helpless for years, and you served a very long prison sentence for doing nothing wrong and. And that's a travesty of everybody needs to read this book and share. It I. Hope Your I hope you're doing a lot of press I hope every talk show. Has You on because people need to know your story and we need to make sure that in this case history does not repeat itself Don Siegelman you're you're at national treasure and I? Thank you I I'm I'm I'm so honored that you chose to speak with us about this and spent so much time to go through what happened? The goal, thank you. I look forward to listening to your program watching your youtube. The next opportunity thank you so much and we will talk again. Please stay in touch. Our will. Thank. You Take Care bye-bye. and with that we're done Don Siegelman what what a what a treat what a pleasure he is and just think of. What was possible if he had not been the target of Karl Rove and the Bush administration just think where we'd be today if Don Siegelman had run for president in two thousand four. I think about it often. all right with that. We come to the end of another week up Monday. We've got another music Monday. Program with a wonderful artist named Jonathan Brooke, so we'll do our usual news and information at the beginning, and then yeah, we will enjoy some music because we need a break from a lot of this craziness that. Goes on in our world. Thank you for listening everyone. Thanks for sticking around for the overtime I think you'll agree. It was worth it today. have a great weekend. I will see you back here on Monday Thank you again for listening. Piece out everyone. By

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After Serving Prison Time, This Former Alabama Governor Makes A Case For Reform

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After Serving Prison Time, This Former Alabama Governor Makes A Case For Reform

"From NPR and WB you are Boston I'm Meghna Chakrabarti and this is on point. Don Siegelman is Alabama's last democratic governor. He served from nineteen. Ninety. Nine to two thousand, three historic that time was rising a southern progressive seen as a potential national torchbearer for the Democratic Party, but then in two thousand five. His star came crashing down. He was indicted, then convicted on. On federal bribery charges, he served five years in prison. Now many legal observers have said that siegelman should have never even been charged that the allegations against him amounted to nothing more than the normal, if unseemly practice of politics. So, why did the Department of Justice go after him so zealously why focus the full force of the federal government on this son of Alabama? Well Karl Rove has a role to play here. Thousands of missing ballots in an election have role to play, so siegelman says that the real corruption is in the political and criminal justice systems this hour on point Don Siegelman on political prosecutions, and the dangers to American democracy and on Siegelman joins us now from Birmingham Alabama. His new book is called stealing our democracy. How the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation and he by the way he's the only person in Alabama history to have held the titles of Governor Lieutenant Governor Attorney General and Secretary of State Don Siegelman, welcome to on point. Thank, you Meghna diamond delighted to be here I enjoy your shows and looking forward to big with you today. All right well. We'll see if we could make something of this hour. Thank you so much for being with us and also want to say that with us. From Hanover New Hampshire is on point news analyst Jack Beatty Hello There Jack. Hello Meghna. ALOMA SIEGELMAN Hey, Jack! Good good good to be with you. So. Semester Siegelman I actually wonder if we might start. Way Back in time 'cause I'm not sure a lot of people or somewhere else might not know your whole story so i. want to dig into it a bit and actual and start with. Your attempts at reelection in two thousand and two narrowly lost then. Can you tell us why that election was so significant and why you lost? Well. It was significant to me because I was I had already written an announcement speech that was going to enter the. Two Thousand and four Democratic primaries for President I had planned to give that speech at the National Democratic Governors Association in December of two, thousand and two. I did give that speech, but it didn't have the ending that I had planned. I was I had been touted by some national. Journal says being darkhorse candidate. in in the vein of Jimmy Carter Bill Clinton. Someone who could come out of the south in the Republican stronghold. On southern votes and be in a position to successfully challenge George W Bush. In two thousand and four I went to bed. The night of the election winning I had I had just completed a successful first turbine brought in. Five automobile plants I. Was headline. Automotive News is one of the top automotive. CEO's in the world had brought in bore automobile plants, in Alabama than any other country. we had had a successful road and bridge program. I started over a thousand new school. Construction Projects had protected over one hundred fifty thousand acres of Pristine. Delta Land Anyway I was position and I felt good about the election. There was the final county to report was a county and South Alabama. It was controlled in his control by Republicans. and. It was unusual that they were so late in reporting because it is a fully automated. Optical, Scan County should have been. What are the earlier counties to report, but in the end they reported one. One series of of counts of elections of the election and it was. It was just so far off that it. Attracted everyone's notice. because an independent candidate Libertarian candidate had gotten an extraordinary number of votes just couldn't get right, so they came back in recapitulated and I won the election stick cleared by all the national media. The people were sent home the. Party officials suppo- workers after the courthouse was close around midnight. Actually a little before midnight it was They came out with a third set of returns. that. had, simply taken sixty two hundred votes of mine away. And it, did not it. The telltale sign was that it did not impact a single down ballot race so. I. Don. I just jump been here. I just wanted to let you finish story because it's really. Providing a lot of detail because as I asked you a big question, there's a lot just want to just add a little bit something. So what you're saying is that this is what to November. The night of November fifth, two, thousand two. You had this like razor, thin lead in the gubernatorial race the next just a few just after midnight, so the early hours of Wednesday. Like you're saying your vote total in Baldwin County. I'm looking actually an AP report from that night. It had originally showed you with nine nineteen thousand seventy votes, but then it was reduced to twelve, thousand, seven, hundred and thirty six. Where did those six thousand votes go? Well we we don't know because the State Attorney General who has call roast political client. Sees sees the ballots and they computers that were related to the election. And took them took them to Montgomery and participated in an illegal. Which then blocked my For a recount had recount of this one precinct which these votes disappeared. The There was nothing that we could do about it. At that point, we the only way you can challenge election is to prove to the judge that bore votes were more legal votes work cast, but not counted or ill. Illegal votes were. CAST and counted. We couldn't do either because the attorney general had the ballot, so the only thing I could do was to walk away and say I will see you again and for years and. With that. The state, political and prosecutorial machinery kicked into high gear. Right because so that so you're narrow. Loss I still have to call it that your narrow loss in two thousand and two only signaled the beginnings of your troubles now. You mentioned Karl Rove. I'm seeing report here. That says that according to an affidavit that was filed by a Republican lawyer in Alabama. In the aftermath of that two thousand two election, according this affidavit Karl, Rove who was advising president, George W Bush at the time had promised senior Alabama Republicans a Justice Department investigation into you. There were there were actually. Three three Republican muscle blowers that the first the first was Dana. Jill Simpson. Who is Republican? Lawyer? Who says she was hired back all rove. To do negative research on me and she testified before the House Judiciary Committee. that. She was on a conference call shortly after the election. It which the US Attorney's. Husband. Announced to the group. You Know Y'all stop worrying about Sigelman. He's not going to be able to make a comeback because The US Attorney's wife than the US attorney of the northern district are going to take care of him. And he said he had spoken to Carl and at the Department of Justice was pursuing bay. The second, the second was award was another Republican lawyer Who served as the lawyer for the National Republican Committee in Alabama, and he signed an affidavit, saying that he was approached by the Republican Party chairman, asking him to come to a meeting where they were going to discuss how to use the US attorney to bring me down before the election. you know there's there's the call rose. Fingerprints are all over this. It's not just. In this and the prosecutorial vein, I mean it's. It's of course it's. his. Investigation was started. Illegal investigation was started back. Karl Rove's client Bill Pryor, who's now on the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals who participated in and stealing by election in two thousand and two. it was kicked into kicked into high gear by the US attorney who has vetted by Rove appointed by the Bush President Bush Whose husband Billy Canary worked with Rove and the nineteen ninety two presidential campaign against Clinton. And then we'll don can I. Can I just have been here because we're going to return a little bit more to Rove's role in all this and I should say that he has consistently denied that he had any role in an. Well want to be. We we can. Get into that, but I don't I. Don't want to forget that. We Got Jack here listening along. We've just got a minute and a half before we have to take that first break, and we haven't even got to sort of the meat of what the justice. Department alleged against Gelman yet but. But check your your thoughts on sort of first lessons to learn from from the story. Well, it's a it's a resonant and relevant story controversy over politically inspired prosecutions are almost certainly. In the American future who ever wins the election with? If trump wins William bar would probably still be attorney. General Congress was recently told by a former GOP justice official. DONALD AIRS quote William Bar poses the greatest threat in my lifetime to our rule of law and to public trust in it this because of his repeated intervention in cases involving the president. The he he has, he has said that he wouldn't take a political prosecution for the president, but he is also said one darkly to expect quote developments before the election in the investigation into the investigation of the trump campaign will those indictments? Will they open investigations into Loretta Lynch the Attorney General of time. We don't know and the Democrats to pose similar trouble after the election. Well Jack I. Want to hear more from you about that a bit later in the show, but right now we're talking with. Don siegelman out political prosecutions and the dangers to American democracy. We'll hear a lot more of the story when we come back. This is point. This is on point. I made a chocolate bardy. We're talking this hour with Don Siegelman. He's the former governor of Al Obama. He served five years in prison on bribery federal bribery charges. We'll talk a little bit a lot more about that in a second, and he says that political prosecutions like the ones that landed him in prison are a danger to American democracy. He's author of the new book stealing our democracy. How the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation? We have an excerpt of it at on point, Radio Dot Org Jack Beatty is also with us. He's on points news analyst now. Mr Siegelman if I may, let's let's just cut right to the chase of the case. That landed you in prison now. The first time that federal prosecutors tried to bring charges against you. If I've got the time line right here, they were so flimsy. These bribery charges that they were thrown out. The judge threw them out or at least yeah, that's right and then. And then the second time they tried again, right, they didn't give up. They tried again this time. They had a star witness by the name of Nick Bailey, who was one of your aides now, Nick. Bailey alleged that you essentially took a check from a big donor. A man named Richard scrushy. Because he in this check not for you, but a check for efforts to get a lottery created in Alabama to fund education, and in return the allegation is that you gave screw she a seat on a really important board in Alabama and that. In the eyes of of the court amounted to illegal bribery. That's what that's. What landed you in prison, right? Yes. The judge told the jury they were. It was a hung jury. That couldn't. They couldn't reach a verdict and he said. They asked him judge Hawkin. A contribution to the lottery campaign be viewed as a thing of value to governor siegelman and he said well. think about it this way if the k. a pay if the contribution was given to the lottery proposition and the proposition that passed, it would have made him look. and. Therefore you can consider it a thing of value to governor Siegelman. Well I mean it's. On, the only person in American jurisprudence is ever gone to prison on such a charge as that where there was no self-enrichment scheme and didn't benefit by single penny There's issues too with the between me. And the judge had had him investigated F- shortly after he became federal judge because of shenanigans that went on in the District Attorney's office, from which he had been appointed to the Federal Bench and it was proven in State Court that. He had illegally raise the salary of his deputy by some three hundred thousand dollars, and he was politically embarrassed by the. Publicity Dagda publicity as a new federal judge so he he went into. This trial should have recused himself he didn't. And he I think he had a chip on his shoulder and he wanted it was. He viewed this payback time. So I mean. We can't go into too many details of the case or just won't have time, but they are absolutely fascinating like nick. Bailey right. Who was the Prosecution Star witness here? Apparently he had parts of his story wrong that he told the court right because he had. He had said that you had a check in your hand right from Richard Screw that you had this check in your hand and he said Yep. You know if if he gives us the other half of the money, we can take care of his desire to be. On that health board, but the prosecutors had a copy of the check in actually didn't even have the right date on it that you could not have possibly had that check because it hadn't even been written in reality at and that Bailey himself had been extorting money from Alabama businessman and might have been working with the prosecution to get a lighter sentence. Definitely was working with the prosecution to get a lot of senators say they made him a deal. He was facing. Probably forty years to life in prison. On Multiple Felony counts and They offer him a deal which they follow through on which was to recommend no time in prison. And he, he told Scott pelley of sixty minutes Nick Bailey told them that he had been interviewed over seventy seven Oh seventy times and made to write and rewrite his proposed testimony over and over until he got his answers the way the prosecutors. Wanted Them in preparation for his testimony, he also FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH A. met with my son In two thousand Tober of two, thousand at twelve and told him that the reason the reason. He went to prison was because of his. excuse expression, but this is his leg was. Testimony. hey admitted that there was no bribe that there had been no agreement and that that I would have been impossible person to bribe so. but anyway the the the case went to trial there were not they were hung juries. The judge finally told the. The! Jury which had been sequestered this was in right in the first part of July the jury questions sits. May he told a book? Bring me a verdict or a partial verdict or I can keep you here until next you laugh want. So the they brought him a partial verdict but the the we were talking about jacket, raised an interesting parallel and I to WanNa, make sure i. come back and comment on that because he's absolutely right what? If. People don't believe. That the Justice Department was politicized onto Bush. Don't believe that Karl. Rove And his client billy. Bill Pryor and his. His, Co. heart and his business partner in Alabama, Billy Canary who not only was the husband of my. US Attorney, who prosecuted me, but he was actually being paid. Billy Canary was being paid. By one of my opponents for governor to defeat me while his wife was conjuring up charges against me. If you don't believe. That the. Justice Department was politicized to prosecute me. Look at how would call Donald J trump my first witness? He fired James. Comey fired Andrew McCabe sought fire. Sally Yates hired and fired his southern boy buddy, Jeffrey. beauregard sessions, and then hired bill bar. Who doesn't go to sleep at night? And unless they find some way to either protect donald trump from. Some subpoena or an investigation or THREATENS THREATENS THOSE PEOPLE WHO? Are Coming after him either the FBI the CIA the National Security Agency or Joe Biden. Well, so we'll. were. A. Response Jack, yeah well. Let me go back to Jack here because this is. This is. Don siegelman underlying point right that we're sort of maybe. At a new high water mark of an old problem of the political politicization of the Justice Department. Would you agree with that Jack? The the danger is just to clear thus far. Mr Bar hasn't followed up on Mr Trump's campaign. Promise member the chant locker up well. We haven't prosecuted Hillary so I guess that's that's good news, but who knows what would happen after the election Mr Trump is vengeful. We've seen that almost defines his character, and if bar said no I won't Mount of Political Prosecution of Joe Biden or whoever? Mr Trump wants trump could easily put in an appliance substitute, but the dangerous there with the debt with the Democrats Elizabeth Warren in the campaign raised eyebrows when she said that she wanted to establish a bureau or department, a Task Force in the in the Justice Department to investigate wrongdoing corruption in the in the trump administration and she said well it wouldn't. I wouldn't influence it, but she would set it up, so Biden said he wouldn't do that. He wouldn't influence wouldn't influence the Justice Department at all, but if justice wanted to bring a prosecution, he wouldn't stand in the way. How much wiser was Barack Obama in two thousand, nine, looking back on some of? The offenses that Mister. Excuse me siegelman documents here looking back on those. The. President said I don't want to look back I want to look forward. He would not go ahead with prosecutions of a Bush. Administration officials involved in torture involved in domestic wiretapping involved in things like you know, prosecution Mr Segel he would not do that because what would happen, essentially, you'd have one. A new president would be taking vengeance on the old, and the cycle of retribution and vengeance would go on, and on now if Biden wins, and he follows the wise precept of Obama about not looking backward. Does that mean trump would get off for everything not at all the New York district attorney has a. Has a menu of things that he's he's. He's investigating trump for and all that could go forward without tainting. The system with essentially making us a Banana Republic where you lose an election and the guy that wins. Stores you jail. We can't have that. Don siegelman think. Let me! Just let me jump in. To have to disagree to two point, which although I have great respect for what you what you said about Not being vengeful and not being. retribution. But I. do think that it was a mistake. For. President, Obama not to hold. The Bush administration the Bush. Justice Department accountable. that made it. Anybody needed to go to jail, but I think a full exploration of call rose hiring and firing. US attorneys at will, because they would not do his dirty work I, think that an exploration and a discussion about. What constitutes torture and why it is wrong. And why was should not have been authorized would have been correct I think that a full expert exploration of how we were led into war under false pretenses, and we have given up a lot of our fourth amendment rights under the Patriot, act and I think that. You know we I think that the there's a difference between holding people accountable in retribution. If someone is. Willfully and intentionally violating the law, they should be held accountable just like everybody else. You know we don't we don't. We don't give this same. Lead Way too young men and women of color when they're caught with A. A. A half ounce of marijuana. Are, they get locked up for years. One Guy Juan Garcia who I write about him my book. was locked up for nineteen years for half ounce of marijuana more, he got caught twice and then third time at marijuana conspiracy with no amount of marijuana charge so You know. And, that's I hope we have time to get into a discussion about. How how we need to protect people from the abuse of power, whether it's by President or prosecutor or by the police. So, so let's let's talk about that then right now because. Our discussions were a high level. Of the Justice Department I actually do want to come back to, but can you tell us a little bit more Don? Siegelman about the kind of people that you met while you were incarcerated for Fi- for five years, right? and. Did. Did some of them deserve protection from the criminal justice system that put them into prison. Well. Almost. Everybody I was in with had committed. Some some cried. They didn't deny that, but what I saw consistently was. A. Federal Sledgehammer coming down on them without any regard to what it did to their children or their families, or what was gonNA happen to their children or their spouses? Once. They were locked up for twenty five years. This one young African American comes to mind. He wouldn't mind using his name Markelle Riley he was. He was raised in a dysfunctional home. His mother had issues, and he started selling marijuana to raise money to keep the lights on water on when he was ten eleven years old. And he got picked up on charges and were given was on probation twice then got picked up a third time for small amount of crack well, actually, it was powder and. He was given twenty five years. He served every bit of that. He had two young children. and. You know we just don't give any thought to what we're doing to people out. You know the children and the families that were disrupting with these. Draconian sentences at let me let me let me I want to go back and talk just briefly. The government gets nine percent of the indictments say seek ninety nine percent. That seems like an extraordinarily high ratio check. It is because prosecutors have. A total immunity they were given immunity by the supreme. Court in Nineteen, seventy six and the ambler case they can do anything they want. It was a split decision five to four, but still the Supreme Court said prosecutors should not should be allowed to. Do anything they want including. including. Presenting. False evidence. Or withholding exculpatory evidence to get an indictment or conviction. In two thousand and ten. The Los Angeles Times reported on January, the fifth two thousand ten. And I quote or paraphrase President Obama's lawyer argue to the US Supreme Court yesterday. Would have been January the fourth two thousand ten that. US, citizens United States citizens do not have a constitutional right not to be framed. Now Leonard, Cagan is a great justice. She's on the Supreme Court, but she was arguing the line that the proposition that was end the law that was legal. Then it's legal now that prosecutors can do anything they want including framing an innocent person and there's nothing you can do about it. That was in the case of two Black Man who spent twenty five years in prison for a crime. They absolutely did not commit. This is what prosecutors. Get the ninety nine percent of the indictment. Because they can do whatever they want in the secrecy of a grand jury, where there is no lawyer judge present, and that's part of the reforms that I talk about in my book. You want to end PROC- or reform prosecutorial immunity. I have to say hearing. Hearing that line of that? The American people do not have the right not to be framed. By federal prosecutors is a doozy of a double negative. If I've ever heard one, so don Siegelman and Jack Beatty standby. We are talking about Don siegelman personal experience as both a politician and formerly incarcerated person about the criminal justice system about a political corruption and the dangerous to democracy. We'll be right back this point. This is on point. I'm MAGNASCO Bardy. We're talking this hour with Don Siegelman. He's the former governor of Alabama. He served five years in prison on charges of bribery, and the story of his case is absolutely fascinating. He's author of stealing our democracy. How the political assassination of governor threatens our nation? We have an excerpt of at one point radio. Dot Org, Jack Beatty is also with us. He's on points news analyst. Now Don Siegelman do want to give A. we'll give you a chance in a minute. Talk more about the reforms to the criminal justice system. That you that you write about in your book, but did want to ask you. Something about how politics is done in the United States here because I think since you since the. Since your case and the time that you served over that time we've we've actually had a couple of pretty explicit court cases that say I mean obviously citizens united that the money is the equivalent of speech. I think that in and of itself ought to obviate any of the charges that had been brought against you, but nevertheless nevertheless if they're even if there wasn't a direct quid pro quo to you when? When you received the check and and. And you and Put I'm sorry. His name is slipping my mind right now, but you put him on the Jordan Alabama screw she sorry. Sorry, forgive. Thank you for reminding me screw she on the board. Even, if there's nothing strictly illegal about it, I do I just WanNa take a second to ask you this. It's still is unseemly, isn't it? I mean like Americans are very cynical about their politics right now because it's yet, another example is yet another example of a rich person being able to buy the accessed he or she wants. If you only knew the truth, let me let me tell you I'M GONNA put my left. There's no Bible, but I'll raise my right hand, and ask God to strike me dead when I asked this gentleman Richard Scrushy, who was a fortune, five hundred CEO. If he was served on the board, his response was. Oh governor do I have to I just resigned from that board I've been on it for twelve years. It takes too much time. Can't I just give you the name of somebody a good person who had served well? I didn't want him to leave the board because I was a democrat. He was the biggest contributor to my republican opponent. I wanted to build bridges between. Myself and the Republican business community in Alabama, and so I said look I want you to serve on the sport. And he said well let me think about it knelt. Agreed to serve one year and then resigned again, but This was not a privilege for him to serve on the board. He did not want to be on this board. He didn't need to be on this board. It was a waste of his time. So what he give you the money for? Oh well because he had supported my opponent and he he has. Frankly he said governor. I can't go through four years with the the governor of Alabama mad at what is anything I can do to help and I said Yeah. I'm trying to get this referendum pass, so we can. Provide Universal. Early learning for every child in give every child the hope and dream of. Being able to go to college, the state of the school and stay out of trouble. He said I'll be glad to help. So you're saying that basically every aspect of the charges that were brought against you and end with you spending five years in prison. It's totally manufactured totally. Totally, totally totally yeah, it was It shook shook faith in the justice system, but you know I'll look at this experience two ways to look at anything if You know if you believe that in every situation there is a purpose, or if you believe that in every situation one should find a purpose I clearly found mind quickly on my dad that. You know. My purpose now is to expose. What's going on in to try to change it. If they can do this to me. As a sitting governor with the resources ahead I was in plaintiffs lawyer. I had I had collected some money and. I had the resources to pace up to seventeen different lawyers at different times But think about the people who are on the street. The unemployed steelworker, the housewife or the mechanic who? is facing some piddly charge and they they. Let me, say this. What if one of your producers got into got indicted? Unexpectedly. Or. Let's say. God forbid you got indicted because one of your one of your producers said Hey, she was taking a kickback. It destroys your career and and everything starts to come unraveled. That's why one of my proposals is that before somebody is indicted, they should have a lawyer present in the grand jury if I'd had a lawyer present out of never been indicted because the to prosecutors who's? One Matt Heart I. Don't mind calling names because it's the truth. He suborned testimony Steve. Baker, who participated allowing a retired FBI to present false evidence to the grand jury which resulted. In this first indictment that was thrown out by the federal judge, saying it was the most unfounded criminal case over which he presided in twenty nine years and seven months on the bench, so we need lawyers for the defendants, but also for the family members of police violence. If Benjamin crop had been in the grand jury when the murderer of Trayvon, Martin was being considered to be charged I'm not so sure that that that person wouldn't have been charged with murder the same. Yeah? I. Really, this is an important point. You're making, but I want to want to be sure that we discuss it in detail, so people understand so basically what you're saying. Right now is that when a grand jury convened right and evidence is brought to the grand jury, and they have to decide whether or not to hand down an indictment. The the attorneys for the defense are not allowed in that grand jury room. Just to be clear right to be clear, they are not. No one is in there. No Judge Milius what they've done, so they're they're in. They're on their own. And keeping by the have an umbrella of protection over them both by the Supreme Court, and by Congress and the Federal Torch claim sack. There is no way can prosecute. A. Prosecutor for presenting. Of conjured up evidence or withholding exculpatory evidence the the. The. Chief Judge of the Night Circuit Court of Appeals Alex Christine inskeep. He retired, but he said that the. Prosecutors withholding exculpatory evidence in the United States was epidemic. and. Again. This is what once you get indicted. It's all downhill clearly and a grand jury process is. The most critical part of the criminal proceeding, Ninety nine percent of those indicted. Ninety nine percent of indicted ninety seven percent, plead guilty most of them before they get a lawyer. You're giving a lawyer, but when you go to trial when you go to court to enter your plea. And say you've got a plea. Bargain agreement, which is no bargain and no agreement by the way, and and what do to give some audio lawyer. What's they've been indicted that it's? It's pretty much, but the but well, but look I am not a legal scholar here, but I'm just going to offer this pushback here if I may. Technically speaking, the trial follows the indictment. No, so, what is the argument for having? For Having Defense Council present in while a dangerous formulating. What it, what the indictment should even be that person strictly speaking, the defense will still have an opportunity to present their case in trial. Let's. If you if you are indicted at under with a witness, sue has been bribed with a light sentence or no sentence in exchange for giving the government the testimony they want. What is it going to do to you and your career and your chances of winning in court? you are already damaged goods by the time you walk into the courtroom, the government Jury is looking at the defendant thinking already. They wouldn't be here if there wasn't something wrong. So it is, let me also say this in a civil proceeding. Lawyers on both sides, our a deposition are given a chance to object testimony or evidence well. If it's important enough to do that to have that scrutiny before a civil trial starts, why isn't it equally important? When somebody's life and liberty is at stake to give the lawyer for the other side, a chance to scrutinize the evidence before the grand jury hears it. Right. Now enough and I'm I'm okay. I was just GonNa. Say I'm usually what happens in these conversations is we have a lot of really smart people in our audience listening? They're probably sending me lots lots of tweets right now. Telling me I've gotten I've got it all wrong. But, but but your point we'll take in the net. Just maybe I'm trying to teach myself here. Don Siegelman so. The you're just you're asking for reform on what's allowed to happen in a grand jury room well. That's number that's number. One I would say lawyer in the grand jury record. Prosecutors and investigators should be required to record every interview with a target or a witness. If they had done that in. If they do that, then it's going to deter prosecutors from pressuring cajoling threatening or coaching a witness to testify, secondly if they were stupid enough then to do it, then at least provide a record for the defense before trial that the testimony had been shaped by the prosecutor. The third thing that we have to do obviously is to reverse the pronouncement that was made in bothersome in front of the Supreme Court in two thousand and ten that US citizens do not have a right not to be framed by removing the immunity from prosecutors, who willfully and intentionally present false evidence, or who willfully and intentionally withhold exculpatory evidence one final fact. There have been a hundred fifty inmates. exonerated. Off of death row by the innocence project or the equal justice, initiative On the basis of prosecutorial misconduct, so it wasn't a problem. Why is it that we're sentencing people to death? Because of prosecutorial misconduct, the whiter straighten this out and part is to have a lawyer in the grand jury record, every witness testimony and remove the the immunity for prosecutors who willfully and intentionally framed people. Well. We're fast running out of time here. Don Siegelman Jack and Jackie. We'll come back to you in a second, but I have just a couple more questions for you Mr. Siegelman, if I could one of the things that I wanted to ask. You is while you were in prison for those five years. At least once I have this right you gave an interview to. Radio Person Actually. Think and because you gave. The interview ended up in solitary confinement for more than twenty days. Forty nine days for fifty. Fifty sorry. I had. I had a relationship with Thom Hartmann from out in Portland. And he's anyways great journalist and. He had been a friend I'd talked to him several times. Put Him on my requested call list with the Federal Bureau of Prisons approved, so they approved. The number improved my having. Access to calling him, but when I did call him. I was on live on a talk show where I was advocating for the passage of the safe. Justice Act which John Bainer had also was supporting. and I thought that you know. I was encouraging people to call their members of Congress and at that point I was. the phone went dead, and a I was handcuffed, and taken to solitary confinement where I spent fifty nine days second time I got thrown into solitary confinement was to from speaking with Robert Barnes to the Washington Post and They let me out quickly because he wrote a second article. Saying that I've been locked up because I spoke to him, so the power is in the press at at times and I for that I was deeply appreciative. So. We've just got a couple. Minutes left checking know. What a tangled web! We we right because Don Siegelman. Here's talking about political. Prosecutions about the criminal justice system. And in Alabama right now there is a Senate race going on where Act Don Siegelman old lawyers now. Senator Doug Jones is going to be facing Tommy. Tuber Ville who just beat Jeff sessions. In the Republican primary and Tuber Ville himself has a shadow of financial. Impropriety over him because a hedge fund that he used to that, he was once a partner in. His partner in that Hedge Fund. It has been sentenced to ten years in prison for financial fraud. So now the people of Alabama are going to have to decide whether that kind of financial impropriety matters enough to them in choosing. The. GOING TO BE November. Yes, they they seem to be faced with these sorts of questions a good deal I mean when when Doug Jones was elected, the alternative was A lawyer, who had who had exposed and brought to trial. Birmingham bombers on the one hand, and on the other hand a paedophile. So at a man who? Had A record of molesting young young girls and That was a close election which was which was scary. Now they have to pick between somebody that same doug. Jones who still has a good record as a senator, and as you say to reveal who's got this this cloud over him and who claims that? He's Alfred Newman I don't know I I. I wasn't involved just. Mr Magoo I just walked through all this. I'm innocent well. We'll have to see what what comes of that. Well. Don Siegelman we've literally got just a minute left and we could go on for APP for hours on end, but it sounds like your basic messages is without some kind of massive reform possibly beyond the three that you've mentioned here. You're saying that we have a justice system that if it can come after a governor lake, you that people should wonder if if it if it could come after them. Yes but the reforms I'm offering would would make a substantial substantial difference We don't. Yes, there are there I've got. A litany of. Litany of other reforms. But? The what what I think we need to do is to take these first and get them out of the way I would like to come back to your show one day and talk about how how to et make an impact on institutional racism. as southerner who've ensured that the confederate flag did not fly over the Alabama capital as someone who took the heart of Dixie off. The license plates somewhat. They've stopped the playing of the song dig. Alabama Football Games on SIEGELMAN. I'm only interrupting you because I've got six seconds to wrap up the show, but we will have you back. Don Siegelman now author of stealing our democracy. Thank you so very much and Jack Beatty on point news analyst. Thank you as well. Magnetron Bardy this is on point.

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20200429 Nicole Sandler Show - Another Wednesday from the Quarantine Zone- and Don Siegelman Too

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20200429 Nicole Sandler Show - Another Wednesday from the Quarantine Zone- and Don Siegelman Too

"The following program contains graphic material including offensive language. If you're this question advised Nicole's questioning authority. That could be very reason why. Youtube is upset. Hey you do the music. Venue here beneath my voice is from broadcast. Sound Library that I paid for an Hamlin receipts that you're happy right violation right here and now here's Nicole. Welcome to a Wednesday. I'm Nicole Sandler coming to you. Live at Nicole Sandler Dot Com. Also facebook live in addition to Youtube. Where we're branching out over here and You know doing things just so you know working behind the scenes trying to get the show out as well as we can and to that end. I know I've been trying things with the equipment here and you know it's always hitting with my show. Technical problems are us but I ordered a new piece of equipment today. We got our twelve hundred dollar government. Payoff check not that you don't do much good in the big scheme of things that hundred dollars honestly in twenty twenty dozen go very far. But I'm pulling four hundred dollars out of it to buy a new audio console which hopefully will take all of my different inputs and and Give a better end product. So keep your fingers crossed. It should arrive on Saturday and I know what I'll be doing this weekend studio rebuilding yet again so Hey we got that to look forward to right so that's on the docket Coming up in the show today. I'm I'm I'm excited to talk to Governor Don Siegelman. Hopefully you know if you've been a listener of this program Moore paid attention to progressive politics for any amount of time. You know the name Don Siegelman. He was the governor of Alabama until he became the subject of a political vendetta really waged by. I believe Karl Rove and To make a long story short Don Siegelman wound up being persecuted. I prosecuted and persecuted and wound up serving five years in federal prison for a bullshit bribery. Charge it. This was a political prosecution. This was he was a political prisoner inside the United States and what happened to him was a travesty. Well thankfully he's out of prison but it was a brilliant. Political career was derailed. I mean Don Siegelman could have an would have been a great president should have been president. He was the first progressive politician elected. Governor I think in the country certainly in Alabama and and again he was targeted by the Republicans by Karl Rove by the Bush administration because he was a progressive. Anyway he's got a new book coming out and the book I I'm just starting to read it now. It's called stealing our democracy. It'll be released in June so we're not going to talk about the book today because I really don't want to get into the book until I've had a chance to read the whole thing and then also watch. There is a film called Abacus versus the architect the political assassination of Don Siegelman so when when the governor joins me again in June upon release of the book. We'll get into all the gritty of what happened to him. And in this case it was what happened to him. It's not anything he did. He did nothing wrong but was targeted again as a political assassination that's the way to put it And wound up five years in federal prison but the governor sent me a text last night and I know this is something that the there's something he's really concerned about and I know how much it weighs on him. He wrote a letter to The Wall Street Journal. Couple of weeks ago that was published. I can't pull it up because behind a paywall but I know he wrote the letter He appeared with both Thom Hartmann. And Brad Friedman in subsequent weeks to talk about the issue of Cova Nineteen and prison and it is ugly and so at the bottom of the hour will be joined by Governor Don Siegelman. I urge you to stay tuned. He's a fascinating man if you don't know enough about him. You should preorder his book stealing our democracy in fact put a link on the blog at Nicole Sandler dot com after the show. Where I post the podcast to a place where you could buy it. That's not Amazon. In case you know in case you're interested so we'll get to Don Siegelman There's a lot of news to get to today and I gotta Say I'm I'm disgusted but we've been disgusted. But the gas lighting coming from this administration is just atrocious. It's I mean listening to Donald Trump. I know again. It's it's it's my job so I feel like I have to but I also get into that thing where I turn it on. And it's like the train wreck you can't turn away from. I can't stop because I want to know. What kind of fucked up? Bullshit thing. He's going to say next. And for instance yesterday did I did I. I don't know if I didn't pull anything from yesterday. But instead of playing something from him I want to play for you. Something that happened this morning on Fox in fines. I know it's Fox and friends. You know. Cut Me some slack here to me their fins. They're not my friends. I know they're not your friends so they're fiends anyway so yesterday we reached to pretty horrible milestones right the US past the the the million mark one million plus confirmed cases of Kovic nineteen in the United States and globally. It's just over three million so a country with that has the four percent of the global population accounts for thirty three percent of the covert nineteen infections on the planet. Just let that sink in for a moment how badly we failed and then yesterday we pass the fifty seven thousand Americans Dead Mark. Fifty seven thousand and the reason that number was important. It's because that's how many had so many lives America lost in the Vietnam War so more people killed in a matter of what two months from this virus that got out of control. I say due to the negligence of this administration and the world on the world stage we have a third of all confirmed cases while our population represents four percent of the planet's population. There's something really seriously wrong there. So you think perhaps perhaps the Gov- The government should take responsibility for their actions. So what happened on Fox and fiends this morning? Well Jared Kushner. You know the first son-in-law who say you know what we may as well be in some Banana Republic where the leaders family all has important and jared Kushner. You know he's the guy who is in charge of everything right. So Jared Kushner is on Fox and friends this morning and he actually had the gall to say this and again we're on the other side of the medical aspect of this and I think that we've achieved all the different milestones that are needed so the government federal government rose to the challenge and this is a great success story. What it's a great success story. We have a million plus confirmed cases of Kovic. Nineteen and more people have died in the last two months in the United States from it then were killed in Vietnam War. That's a great success story. This has gas lighting years ago. I coined a new phrase and granted. It didn't just grow out of the trump administration. I've been using this term since the Bush years. And it's you know it's when I get so crazed that people are saying people elected officials mostly say one thing when the truth is the exact opposite and I call it opposite world. You never knew it. Sideways is straight ahead. No LONGER MATTER. Reality is now fiction. There's the signpost you're next on the world we live it every day and you listen to this moron open his mouth and every time he does. It's just spew bullshit. The man is a consummate liar. The only thing he's really good at lying and bamboozling at least thirty percent of the American people who actually will support this maniac. It's absolutely incredible. And then you know he'll say. Things like injects disinfectant or stick an ultraviolet light up your ass to cleanse your body and then when states report. Hundreds of calls coming into their helplines about ingesting disinfectant. He says the I don't have anything to do with that. Ryan Carom who was one of my favorite members of the White House. Press Corps was at the briefing yesterday. Was it yesterday two days ago whenever it was two days ago. And he asked him about this and Donald Trump's reactions will exactly what you would expect people using disinfectant. These talking about please in the back now and that other states governor Larry Hogan specifically said they seen a spike in people using disinfectant. After your comments last week I know you said they were Sarcasi- I can't imagine why I can't imagine why yeah. Responsibility Auburn Imagine. I can't imagine that. Yeah go ahead please for it and that was it and he just writes it off. I can't imagine why because you told them to do it. Even though you are a bumbling fool a complete Joe tarred thank you Kim Jong. Hoon for the word and a more on an idiot. You're also the president of the United States and there are a lot of people you know those poorly educated people that you like so much who listen to what you say yet. You take no responsibility. It doesn't work that way. You can't take no responsibility. So there was a a a an editorial printed the other day in the Irish Times. And you know I I call all over the world doing my quarantine calling. I like to know what people in other countries are thinking about. What's going on over here because I can just imagine right and now we have an insight. I wasn't going to read this because it's long but I reached out to the writer. A man named Fenton O'Toole and sadly I haven't heard back from him and so I am going to share this with you but before we get to this because it's going to Piss you off a little bit. Let's take care of some fun. I'd like to start the show with something funny because things are you know tend to get real during the course of the program and yeah so laughter's important medicine and we can all use more of these days so for the next couple of minutes anyway. We'll listen to a group that I've come to love. They're they're fairly new producing parody videos. On Youtube they go by the The name founders. Sing in this case. It's not a founder. Who's singing Well I'm turn remember who it was. Who who is doing the vocalizing too. I don't remember we'll just have to watch it to find out. Take it away founders. Sing heard a lot from the salt. Those remember like your Rut Gold drunk on Hi Hi hive takes the cake. When he got on the mic shop that that does aside and then put out a call to try. Lies have y you get so well as la. La Allies saw the world's a while Wii last so say Bang Some screen times. Wow Not oh you know I. It was was My Corona that everyone was parenting and now they're all parodying the kinks. Lola la La La La. I saw that. Courtesy of the founders. Sing you can find them on Youtube. Of course I will post the video to that wonderful parody that will be stuck in your head all day on the blog it Nicole Sandler dot com all right coming up governor. Don siegelman joining in. And if time what's news 'cause there's news trying to think if there's anything that I need to tell you know it's the same old shit so let me share with you. This editorial that appeared in the Irish Times on April twenty fifth so just four days ago because it is so spot on in a couple of people shared it with me of the email and social media and you know again my first reaction was. This is well. It's painful but every word of it is true and Well so here. Here's a sort of a snapshot of what the rest of the world is thinking when they look at the disaster. That is the United States of America. Today Under this Kovic nineteen crisis. He writes well. The headline and chances are right the headline because most article or op ED writer. Don't write the headlines. But the headline works in this case the headline reads the world has loved hated and envied the US now for the first time we pity it. Oh proud to be an American thing. Everyone all right so here. Here's how it goes over. More than two centuries. The United States has stirred a very wide range of feelings in the rest of the world love and hatred. Fear and hope envy and contempt. Aw An anger but there's one emotion that has never been directed toward the US until now pity however bad things are most other rich democracies. It is hard not to feel sorry for Americans. Most of them did not vote for Donald Trump. In Two thousand sixteen yet they are locked down with a malignant narcissist to instead of protecting his people from Kovic nineteen has amplified. It's Li Thallady. The country trump promised to make great again has never in its history seemed so pitiful will America Prestige ever recover from the shameful episode the US went into the corona virus crisis with immense of ages precious weeks of warning about what was coming. The world's best concentration of medical and scientific expertise effectively limitless financial resources a military complex with stunning logistical capacity and most of the world's leading technology corporations yet it managed to make itself the global epicenter of the pandemic. Ain't that the truth. It is one thing to be powerless in the face of a national disaster or natural disaster. Quite another to watch vast power being squandered in real time willfully malevolently vindictively. It is one thing for governments to fail as in one degree or another. Most governments did quite another to watch a ruler in his supporters actively spread a deadly virus trump. His party and Rupert Murdoch's Fox News became vectors of pestilence pestilence same thing I just mispronounced sorry. The grotesque spectacle of the president openly inciting people. Some of them armed to take to the streets to oppose the restrictions that save lives as the manifestation of a political death wish what are supposed to be daily briefings on the crisis demonstrative of national unity in the face of a shared challenge have been used by trump merely to sow confusion and division. They provide a recurring horror. Show in which all of the neuroses that haunt the American sub-conscious dance naked on live television. If the plague is test its ruling political nexus ensured that the US would fail it at a terrible cost in human lives in the process. The idea of the US is the world's leading nation. An idea that has shaped the past century has all but evaporated other than the trump impersonator jared Naro in Brazil who has now looking to the U. who is now looking to the US as the exemplar of anything other than what not to do. How many people in Dusseldorf for Dublin? Or wishing they lived in Detroit or Dallas. It's hard to remember but it's hard to remember now but even in two thousand seventeen when trump took office the conventional wisdom in the. Us was that the Republican Party and the broader framework of US political institutions would prevent him from doing too much damage. This was always a delusion but the pandemic has exposed it in the most savage way what used to be called mainstream. Conservatism has not absorbed trump. He has absorbed it almost the entire right wing. Half of American politics has surrendered objectively to him. It is sacrificed on the altar of Wanton Stupidity the most basic ideas of responsibility care and even safety thus even at the very end of March fifteen republican governors had failed to order people to stay at home or close non essential businesses in Alabama for example. It was not until April third. That governor Kay Ivey finally issued a stay at home order in Florida or I am hello. The state with the highest concentration of elderly people with underlying conditions Governor Rhonda Santa's Ah trump many be kept the beach resorts open to students traveling from all over the US for spring break parties even on April first when he issued restrictions disentis exempted religious services and quote recreational activities. Georgia Governor Brian Camp when he finally issued a stay at home order on April first explained. We didn't know that the virus can be spread by people without symptoms until the last twenty four hours now. I'm adding this part. Proving that he's a fucking imbecile. Sorry this is not mere ignorance back to the written text here. It is deliberate and Homicidal Stupidity. There is as the demonstrations this week and US cities have shown plenty of political mileage in denying the reality of the pandemic. It's fueled by Fox News and far right Internet sites and it reaps for these politicians millions of dollars in donations mostly in an ugly irony from older people who are most vulnerable to the corona virus. It draws on a concoction of conspiracy theories hatred of science paranoia about the WHO. Deep State and religious providential ISM IN OTHER WORDS. God will protect the good folks that has now very deeply infused in the mindset of the American right trump embodies and enacts this mindset but he didn't invent it the US response to the corona virus crisis has been paralyzed by a contradiction that the Republicans have inserted into the heart of us democracy on the one hand. They want to control all the levers of governmental power on the other. They've created a popular base by playing on the notion that the government is innately evil and must not be trusted. The contradiction was manifest two of trump's statements on the pandemic on the one hand that he has total authority and on the other hand that I don't take responsibility at all caught between authoritarian anarchic. Anarchic IMPULSES. He is incapable of coherence. This great line but this is not just donald trump the crisis has shown definitively that trump's presidency is not an aberration. It has grown on soil long prepared to receive it. The monstrous blossoming of misrule has structure and purpose and strategy behind it. There are very powerful interests who demand quote freedom in order to do as they like with the Environment Society and the Economy. They have infused a very large part of American culture with the belief that freedom is literally more important than life my freedom to own assault weapons. Trump's your right to get shot at school now my freedom to go to the barber in parentheses he writes. I need a haircut. Read one banner this week in Saint Paul Minnesota trump's your need to avoid infection usually when this kind of outlandish idiocy is displaying itself. There's the comforting thought that if things were really serious it would all stop people would sober up instead. A large part of the. Us has hit the bottle even harder and the president his party and their media allies keep supplying the drinks. There's been no moment of truth. No shock of realization that the antics have to end no one of any substance on the. Us right has stepped into say. Get a grip. People are dying here. This is the mark of how deep the trouble is for. The US is not just. Trump is treated the crisis merely as a way to feed tribal hatreds but that this behavior has become normalized when the freak show is live on. Tv every evening and the star is boasting about his ratings. It's not really a freak show anymore for very large and solid block of Americans. This is reality and the it'll get worse before it gets better. Trump has at least eight more months power in his inaugural address in two thousand seventeen. He evoked American American carnage and promised to make it stop but now that the real carnage has arrived. He's reveling in it. He is in his element as things get worse. Help pump more hatred and falsehood. More death wish defiance of reason indecency into the groundwater if a new administration succeeds him in twenty twenty one it will have to clean up the toxic dump. He leaves behind if he is reelected. Toxicity will have become the lifeblood of American politics either way. It'll be a long time before the rest of the world can imagine America being great again. Now you know I had to read it to you again. The words of a a an Irishman named Fenton O'Toole that was published April twenty fifth in the Irish Times. If you're wondering what the rest of the world thinks about us there you have it. Stunning absolutely stunning all right. Let's do a little bit of news shall we? There's there's some new news I already played. Ya The jared Kushner thing. We'll do we'll do a little bit of it lies okay so we told you this already. The grim milestone of one million confirmed covert nineteen cases reached in the US. Yesterday the country as I mentioned earlier with about four percent of the global population is reported. One third of the world's Corona Virus Infections and fifty seven thousand was the number of Americans who died in the Vietnam War. We've passed that. We're as of as of this morning. There were one million. Nineteen thousand one hundred seventy confirmed corona virus cases here in the US and fifty eight thousand six hundred eleven deaths. And should I remind you of? Of What Jared. Kushner said on Fox and fiends this morning and again we're on the other side of the medical aspect of this that we've achieved all the different milestones that are needed so the the government government rose to the challenge and this is a great success story. Oh God Hey. Donald almost caught don. Jr. There's another John Junior. Hey Jared I got a little song for you moving right along. Here's the news from today. Despite Donald Trump's frequent claims that created the best economy in the history of the world? We have been writing the longest ever economic expansion following the great recession. It's an eleven year old growth trend that started under the Obama Administration after digging out from George Bush's Crash. Well that eleven year growth trend has now ended this morning the Commerce Department released its report on the GDP and it's official the US economy shrank by four point eight percent in the first quarter the biggest decline since the great recession and and economists are warning quarter to is going to be even worse and trump in his idiocy was like. Ho quarter three and quarter four. Or you're GonNa be great giving me the best average great time to buy stocks now after saying originally that they would join the Senate and returning to DC and reconvening on Monday. The House majority leader. Steny hoyer yesterday announced that after consulting with Capitol Police who said or I'm sorry the Capitol physician. There's a doctor who who tends to members of both chambers of Congress. The doctor said there was a risk to members that he wouldn't recommend taking by returning to DC. The House run by the Democrats. Said you know what we're not ready yet. Everyone's going to stay home. They'll keep doing their work by telephone by conference call and everything else but we're not coming back yet because the numbers of infections in the DC metropolitan area are still rising. This has not hit its peak in Washington. Dc At now is not the time to bring hundreds of people to a very compact area so they reversed their decision and will not return By the way the Yes. The capitol physician advises both Houses of Congress. The Republican led Senate has chosen to ignore his recommendation. Unbelievable the other thing is i. Don't I don't know where Donald Trump stance that's not that that's anything new but you know he how he said your head will spin. Well yeah because the other the last week he was criticizing. Georgia's governor camp for reopening the statement. Yesterday he's praising Texas and trying an encouraging Rhonda racist to open up Florida. So you know any way. The wind blows doesn't really matter to him. What else is important? Oh God Mike Pence. Did you see this so Mike Pence yesterday towards the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota? One of the nation's most a respected medical institutions right and the video comes out and shows Mike Pence. Walk in in the Mayo Clinic. Walking around and without a mask on everyone else was masked and that the clinic did issue guidance if you go on their website their guidance is their policy requires masks for all doctors nurses patients and visitors but Mike Pence refused. Cnn asked him. Why didn't you just walk US through position? Not Wear Masks Clinic. Said they tweeted that they asked you do some well. Let me say as vice president of the United States on tested for the corona virus on a regular basis. You know everyone who is around me is tested for the corona virus and when the CDC guidelines about wearing a mask it was their recognition that people that may have the corona virus Could prevent the possibility of conveying the virus to someone else by wearing a mask and since I don't have the corona virus. I thought it'd be a good opportunity for me to be here to be able to speak to these researchers these incredible healthcare personnel and look them in the eye and say thank you Mike Pence. I got a song for you too in other news if ever you were thinking of becoming a vegetarian and swearing off meet. This might be a good time unions in the US. Meatpacking Industry say Donald Trump is jeopardising lives and prioritizing cold cuts over workers health. He invoked the Defense Production Production Act to force meat processing plants to stay open even as the virus spreads among workers. Unbelievable in other news representative. Justin Amash who last year left the Republican Party because he saw what Donald Trump is and was doing not only his party the country. Well I appreciate everything just cinemas done but now he has formed an exploratory group to run to throw his hat in the twenty twenty. Ring to seek the Libertarian Party nomination for president this scares me because I'm afraid it will take the votes of those Republicans or former Republicans who would never vote for Donald Trump who would vote for whatever Democrat was running and split them thereby making it easier for trump to win a marsh. Do the right thing. Don't run. You can't win and if you make it easier for trump to win you're really fucking us all over all right enough of that. I told you a few minutes ago. Don Siegelman is going to join us. I WANNA share with you. Just the opening video the opening segment from this movie that I guess is sort of a companion to the book. He's got coming out Don Siegelman. If you're just joining US former governor of Alabama who in I believe nineteen? I want to say one thousand nine hundred nine but I'm so bad on dates. Don't don't listen to me. Who was targeted by Karl Rove and his cronies for political prosecution and he wound up spending serving five years in federal prison. It's unbelievable so he has a book coming out in June called stealing our democracy. How the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation. So we'll reconvene in June when the book comes out when it's officially released but Don Simmons going to join us in a few minutes to talk about an issue that that he's current issue. It's something that he's very passionate about and for good reason. Nearly you're in a moment but I want to share with you. Just the opening the opening sequence from this movie that's called Abacus versus the architect the political hold on political assassination of Don Siegelman. And here's the beginning of that video. Our criminal justice when it goes wrong can go wrong. Horrendously prostitutes jail. Yes they should be in jail. That's smart but we know she's logged government. Spare no resource. We had to do a week to make sure he wasn't re-elected because he was an ongoing threat to our clients they started to manipulate the criminal justice system one purpose was to keep that from being the gum and the state of Alabama ears. What we call a fraud on the courts no doubt in my mind that Don Siegelman was. They had to get rid of him because he couldn't beat him parents where I think he's a mad. I WANNA GET SOMEBODY'S NECK IN MY HANDS. Twenty degrees injustices of our time. This is one of the most egregious miscarriages of justice that I've encountered some long Alabama. This situation Chris out for the correction in just that is Governor Don SIEGELMAN AGAIN. The beginning hold on. I'm trying to bring it over. There are governor Siegelman. I've got his picture up on the screen for those of you who are watching on Youtube So that was the opening sequence of a film called Abacus versus the architect the political assassination of Don Siegelman and. I'm thrilled to welcome Governor Don Siegelman to the show Governor thank you so much for being here. Oh It's my pleasure. Thank you go you know. We spoke years ago. I think before you reported to prison was that in two thousand twelve yes in two thousand twelve either net bridge nation or the Democratic National Convention or online. I'm not sure yeah now. We spoke by phone. It was definitely a phone interview. I haven't I have not met you in person and I. Yeah I haven't been to any other yes it is well. Thank you so much for being here and as I've been telling the listeners you do have a book coming out. It's called stealing our democracy. How the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation. You're kind enough to send me an advance. Copy a couple of weeks ago that I'm just beginning to read. I know it's going to be released in June and I hope you'll come back on at that time when we can spend time talking about what happened to you really get into the nitty gritty. Because you're prosecution was an American tragedy and travesty and something that everybody should everybody should know about it and unfortunately they don't but it is relevant to what is going on today with Donald Trump limit. Living just give you this one brief comment about what's in the Book and Donald Trump's pictures on the back along with Jeff sessions in Colorado. Say A is because the the abuse of the abuse of power that that targeted me to silence me to get me out of the picture is something that is going on today. If you do not believe. The Department of Justice can be manipulated for political purposes. I would call Donald. Trump is my first witness a fire. James coming up against Sally Yates J Andrew. Mccabe right are hired and fired. Jeff sessions is southern white boy buddy from Alabama and then he hired bill bar does everything he can to manipulate justice to protect Donald Trump. So there's a reason he's all right and there are correlations. I mean for anyone just looking from the outside in. I would say this Justice Department as a lot scarier than the Bush Justice Department who went after you and had you in prison for five years well a and also you know they fired a number of Republican. Us ATTORNEYS WOULD NOT DO CALL. Rose political dirty work including David Iglesias and six others in the but the Department of Justice. We've got to stop the abuse of power that as we got to change our criminal justice system and that was the purpose of this boat is to To to show the public and to build support for changing the justice system. So it can protect those who are most vulnerable. Well good speaking of the and again. We will reconvene in June when the around the books released to to really get in depth into happened because again. This is a story that everybody in America should know with the in order to make sure it never happens again. This your story is not supposed to happen in America but it did right so when I was in prison. That was in prison of with a lot of young men of color and Unfortunately the prison algorithms work against those people in terms of the release early. Release that Bill Bar ordered on April authorities believe it was Of those who are considered non violent and not a threat to public safety. He asked that they be released. So they would reduce the possibility of the spread of corona virus. Well under this offer in under the Federal Bureau presents algorithms only silicon percent. Only seven percent of the african-american organs are going to be eligible for this early release because they view drug offenses as likely to be recidivist. And you know we've we've got to change that and these people need to be need to be lined up right. But that's not the case. So what what? What is the prison that you spent most of your your time in jail and prison him? Well I was in. I was in Oakdale Louisiana which the Wall Street Journal said was president under siege. The Washington Post said it was the epicenter or Ground Zero it was a a focus of NPR Because of the first six inmates that died in the United States five of them were were from oatmeal place where I spent five years. And there's a reason and most people are aware of this now but the prison conditions virtually all prisons in jails city and county jails throughout the country are overcrowded. But when you when you have. Inmates stacked up as were up the hill at one point I was in a room with twenty one people. We called it. The Submarine Submarine Room. Because they were the beds were stacked not just too high but three high Michael Ports. You got into your bunk. You couldn't sit up because there wasn't enough space. You could literally reach L. From alcohol and touch the other bunce. There was one door going into this room. And that was the only entrance and exit and there were no windows no circulation so any virus or any infection that anyone had could easily be passed on to the other end nights and when you have communal showers and communal soap and urinals that are just inches apart is I virtually impossible. I felt like I've got something to help you. Okay I think it's just from talking too much but the it's virtually impossible twos two separate properly and you know the the Attorney General's order that we should release. Nonviolent inmates who are not a threat to public safety raises the question. Why are they in their good question? Right there L. involved and not a threat to public safety. And what are they doing in prison in the first place so hopefully as we form new economies out of this crisis they were going through. Hopefully we'll also see changes in our criminal justice system. I hope so now. Let me ask you this governor. What before this happened to you before you found yourself in federal prison was the subject of prison overcrowding for profit prisons the prison industrial complex. Was that even on your radar. Was that an issue. Your concerned with I was opposed to private as I am now. I was able to get one one person off of death row because they had withheld exculpatory evidence but what? I was convicted of something. I'd do. It never happened. I just sent a shockwave through my body and I want to thank those involved in the innocence project and the equal justice initiative who have managed to get one hundred fifty people off of death row because they were proven to be Edison. So we've got a long way to go in changing our justice system and again the purpose of my book is not to promote the story about me but is called action so that we can change our justice system again to protect those who are most vulnerable right and obviously that's of paramount importance right now. We're seeing persecution of people who shouldn't be prosecuted. Your story is the perfect example. And then we see I mean just watching this administration in action hearing Donald Trump praising. Michael Flynn hearing knowing seeing him. Pardon People like Sheriff Are Pyo and I can't even remember some of the other people he's pardoned. I don't even want to think of it and think who might be pardoned in the future there. Has Roger Step well? He hasn't pardoned him yet but no doubt he will. Apparently Roger Stone found Jesus in prison or is waiting to go to prison. The thing that our justice system is truly flawed and definitely needs an overhaul l. Let me ask you this governor. Siegelman you were at the time. I think went. When did when were you? Run out of office was where it was a two thousand four. I was I was reelected in. Two Thousand and two election was stolen. And that's when I could give you some background. The Justice Department finally admitted actually was revealed through whistleblower in the In the House through the House Judiciary Committee in a sealed. See a letter. From the Department of Justice to then chairman John Conyers that the lead prosecutor in my case the lead prosecutor was emailing my Republican opponents campaign manager giving him updates on the investigation and yet the Department of Justice told John Conyers that my prosecution was not politically motivated ran. It was it was it was started by car rose client. It was advanced by car. Rose business for this wife who was bush-appointed. Us Attorney the money for my defeat was raised by Jack. Abramov twenty billion dollars. He admits this in his book. And also in the documentary. My election was stolen by Karl. Rove's client and the list goes on so the Both the the election big stolen that my prosecution or definitely political he liked it gets back to my point about Donald Trump. We've got to stop the abuse of power and it starts with changing our criminal. Justice system definitely definitely be very quickly for those who don't know the story. What was the charge that they accused you of? It was bribery right young at the time. That the that Jack Abramov was funneling. Twenty million dollars of Indian casino money into Alabama to defeat me and to defeat my papa education lottery proposal. It was a ballot initiative designed to give every child early learning and free college education grains and at the time that they were funneling in twenty million dollars illegally to defeat me. I was raising money to promote the passage of the constitutional amendment. I accepted a contribution from a fortune. Hundred five hundred Ceo and reappointed him to a board that he had been on for twelve years only about two Republicans and one governor before me come on. Democratic governor before the Fourth Governor to appoint him as God as my witness when I called and asked him if he would serve as my right hand did. If I'm like the what I asked him to serve on the board he said Oh governor. Do I have to? I'll have gone and that guy surf of years. Wow robbery and he didn't even want to be on the guy. They went after him too. So the point is I want to make another point here so I was. I was sent to prison on the basis of the campaign contribution to Education Lottery Foundation. There was no no evidence of quid pro quo much less than expressway but in my book also talk about the impeachment trial of Donald. Donald Trump In that trial we had express evidence of audiotapes of of the president swapping military aid for an investigation of Joe Bod Yup so but the Republican asserted decided that even that wasn't enough to Return on articles of impeachment. So we've got this dichotomy and you know. The law applies to some people in one way into others in another way gets back to the point of my book. We've got to change our criminal justice system without a doubt. But here's the question. I was going to get at. Did the Democratic Party. Come to your aid at all. Did they do anything to help you? As you were under siege from Karl Rove and the Republicans will let me. Let me let me let me say. Let me ask you this. In two ways some self selected members of the party Steny Hoyer And a number of other members of the House Judiciary Committee one of my champions was of course Jon condoms and but I want to quote from the Los Angeles Times of January the Fourth January the fifth two thousand and ten David savage the legal correspondent for the La Times said in a hearing before the United States Supreme Court President Obama's lawyer. That's General Argh ID the following and I quote. Us citizens United States do not have a constitutional right not to be frightened. Now think about that. Do not have a constitutional right not to be framed. Okay that the government of the United States the process lawyer is telling the United States Supreme Court that the that the federal government can frame citizens in. There's nothing indeed about it well. The problem is the solicitor. General was correct because the Federal Tort Claims Act gives immunity prosecutors willfully and intentionally framed. Some water withhold exculpatory evidence. Another jeep the Chief Justice Night Circuit Alex. Brzezinski said the withholding the withholding of exculpatory evidence by prosecutors is epidemic. And but there are ways that we can we can prevent that. I've laid out a clan in my book so that we can. We can bring some make. Some sense of this. Obviously prosecutors should not be allowed to willfully intentionally framed someone in the case that I was just mentioning. There were two African Americans from Iowa. He'll have been frame for crime that they didn't commit. They spent twenty five years in prison. And we're suing the prosecutors for civil damages so yet we've got to make some changes and I hope that people I look forward to getting the chance to come back and talk about the book and encourage people to to read it and understand why we got to change our justice system definitely and again. It is available for preorder now at you know all the usual sources Amazon. There's a new place called bookshop dot org. That actually helps out independent booksellers to plug them. Anyway it's called stealing our democracy. There really stand I believe is June sixteenth. So we will have you back on again because I've got. I've got a million questions around this. I was mad. That Obama didn't Parnu but we'll get to that next time right now. The immediate concern is all these people who are stuck in prisons from jails prisons who have no freedom who have no no control over where they are. They can't socially distanced from others. Because there's not this space there and they're being held and they don't have the freedom to leave. So what what can we do? What do we write to somebody? What do we do? I'm concerned about one inmate within my served. He was a conduit for information. I was getting information from him. Indirectly in passing it on to the House. Judiciary Committee through a congressman of a Hang Johnson in Georgia. And what? I'm I'm concerned about this inmate because I haven't heard from Info for a week which which means well it needs it. Means he's in solitary confinement and I don't know whether he's in solitary confinement as a as a measure of quarantine Before they release them because he is in danger of contracting to grow virus or whether he's in solitary confinement because he was releasing information to try to protect 'em mason federal presence. But I can tell you this. I was put in solitary confinement for talking on the Tom. Hartman show Also put in solitary confinement for talking to Robert Barnes of the Washington Post It is it is not uncommon for the for the Federal Bureau presents to retaliate against inmates. Who are whistle-blowers? Wow and that should be illegal and we have an administration now. Unfortunately who wants to go after whistleblowers expose them prosecute them everything when they should have protections one quick comment? One of the whistle blows number whistle blowers in my case was a Republican paralegal. Work for the Department of Justice. She filed a former whistleblower complaint stating that. She was present when the key witness in. My trial was pressured and can Joe Cajole to remember things. The prosecution wanted this witness toll. Scott Pelley of sixty minutes that he was interviewed or met with prosecutors or investigators over seventy times in made to write and rewrite his proposed testimony in a loose leaf notebook to get prepared for trial so the whistleblower in my case was guess what she wasn't rewarded she was fired and it was signed off during the Obama Administration by David. Margot's was the number two guy in the Department of Justice sees recently passed away but on so not only not only do whistle blowers not get rewarded. They get punished if they expose things that could be embarrassing to the Department of Justice. You hear these stories and we think that these could never happen but it does it. Has It happened to you? It's happening to people you know. And I'm I'm worried about your friend Somebody and there's no way you can find out what his status is that. There's no way at this point which is after wait awhile and see what emerges of we will we will hear from you. Venezuela's in solitary confinement for fifty nine days. One time in forty nine days another so that It can be. It can be a while before we might hear from this. This gentleman governor. I can't even imagine I'm on. My one experience in jail was almost ten years ago now. I went to what was supposed to be a town hall meeting with my then Congressman. You might remember crazy Allen West. I'm in Florida. And I tried to ask him a question about his vote to basically privatize Medicare and they weren't having any of that and basically. I was a objected from the room and because reporters were trying to ask me questions and stuff long story short. They arrested me. Threw me in. Jail kept me overnight and they put four of us in a in one cell. That was used to store mattresses while they cleaned the the cellblock as it were and forgot about us and left us in there for like an hour and we came out. I told the guard that he doesn't apology. Well for my troubles I got thrown into a cell by myself and left in there for a few hours. I heard them calling my name. I knew my husband had come to bail me out and they wouldn't let me out. That played such tricks on my mind in just a couple of hours. I can't imagine what it's like to be thrown in solitary confinement for days or weeks and you had to live through that I it's just horrific. I can't even. I imagine how they did this to you. I'm asking asking you and your listeners and viewers to help me gain the credibility to stand before Congress and argue for changes that will protect the least of these yes able with L. Voices and without power. Okay well we're here for you Is there anything that you want my listeners to do now? Is there anything we can do to help the prisoners who are stuck there with way out or or do we wait until you join us again next month to figure out what comes next? You know that I honestly don't know what can be done other than you know. You're calling calling your your the local mayor the the county. Sheriff the Governor of the president. Well the a waste of rain members of Congress. Certainly the house. Judiciary COMMITTEE IS FIRED UP. And they've been putting pressure on billboard to release an mason release information and the one one point. I want to make again before I leave is just. It's okay to release them now. Why why were they there in the first place? So let's we got. We got a job to do in this country and your listeners will put me in a position where I can do that job. You got it. Well Don Siegelman. You're welcome here anytime anytime. Just call tax whatever and we'll do whatever we can to amplify it on this end a lot of people in chat room saying how do we? How does he want us to amplify so-called your your congressman? Call Your senators saying if people are in jail for? Nonviolent non victimless crimes. Let them out the sentencing them to death. Sentence it's just it's inhumane so I guess that's how we start also go to Amazon or your local bookstore pre order my book which Paul Helped Propel this conversation and into a national dialogue will give me a chance to get full congressman. They make an argument for those people who need help. Absolutely people can find more information about the book at stealing our democracy dot org you can also go to Don siegelman DOT ORG ALPA links to all of it on my blog. Nicole Sandler Dot Com along with the podcast governor. Siegelman thank you so much. I'm I'm I feel weird saying I'm a fan of yours but I've been a follower of your story and I'm so appreciative of all the work you did and I hate what was done to you. So thank you for joining us and I look forward to our next time talking. Backlash Nicole look forward to seeing you again. Me TO TAKE CARE. Thank you so much. Bye Bye you too governor Don Siegelman and with that. We're we're done for the day. Wow ordered the book again. I'll put all the info on the blog. It Nicole Sandler Dot Com. Thanks for listening everyone. We'll see tomorrow. Stay safe by.

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Stealing Our Democracy with Former Gov. Don Siegelman

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Stealing Our Democracy with Former Gov. Don Siegelman

"Stealing our democracy political assassination of a governor will today we are honored to have on truth be told former governor of Obama the last Democratic governor to ever be elected to governor of Alabama. Yes we have don Siegelman who was removed from office on charges of bribery and obstruction of justice and before the removal he was the only person to ever have held the state's top four offices. Secretary State Attorney General Lieutenant Governor and then the governor former governor siegelman served a total of five years in federal prison before being released in February of two thousand seventeen. Today we're going to dive into his newly released book dealing our democracy. How political assassination of a governor threatens. Our nation was governor Siegelman. A political target by the Republican Party. Will today. We're going to find out and we're excited to have him and bring the latest. I'm Tony Suite with Captain Ron. You're listening to truth. Be told right here live. Please welcome to the truth. Be told studios former governor Don siegelman areas right well. We're excited to have you here because we like to get into those controversial topics and and sometimes political Movements and And we we sometimes get in trouble with them but we don't care because we have a good time. We have a good time but You have a new book coming out that we want to talk about And it's called stealing our democracy and Before we get into the book I'm GonNa find out I mean leading up to your removal. There is a lot of stuff going on and I I just want to find out. How when did the investigation began on you and how did START Because a lot of people it's been a while since this happened. So they want. Maybe we can get caught up on on that ancient history except it's not because the abuse of power that brought me down is going on today and you it's it. This is the abuse of power is not limited to Republicans and I want to make that clear. Anyone who holds power can abuse it and it so happened that I was a target of called rose or claiming cronies in Alabama. But let me let me. Just go back and refresh people's memory or please inform your your listeners and viewers. I had been elected. Governor was defeated Republican incumbent to be elected in nineteen ninety eight took office in nineteen ninety nine January in March Just some six weeks after taking office and investigation was started by Koros client State Attorney General. It's not just my word that Rove was involved in my prosecution. We have sworn testimony from a Republican lawyer who was hired by opponent to do negative research on. She came forward toiling remorse or guilt to the House Judiciary Committee and gave them a sworn statement. She was on a telephone conversation with the husband of my prosecutor when he said that he had spoken to. Carl Carl had gotten the Department of Justice to pursue me but I can get into other details later but the the question would be. Why would he care right? Why would that would be my question? Well the Kiplinger Letter Business Journal. Ed reported on March of two thousand and one that I was likely darkhorse candidate for the Democratic nomination in two thousand four saying that I was in a position to carry the south. It gives the Democrats the best chance they had against George W Bush. The famous Jimmy Carter emerged from the South and Bill Clinton after him. It wasn't just Carlos client started the it was coal rose business partner in Alabama this wife who was appointed. Us Attorney by George W Bush who kicked a federal investigation into high gear. It was call rose bag man Jack Abramov and three of Koros College. Republican buddies has the slow tight group that he hung around with during those days and all the way through. During Bush process he became involved in orchestrating. My Defeat Jack. Abramov funneled some twenty million dollars of Indian casino money from the Mississippi Choctaw Indians in Alabama to defeat me. He Jack Abramov along with Mike. Scanlon slider convicted of a crime of a bilking descendants. Out of this money Ralph Reed who claim to be the president of something called the Christian Coalition Operating Out of Georgia and a guy named Grover Norquist who operates as a nonprofit today called Americans for tax reform but those those four people all French of orchestrated the a photo laying the laundering of twenty million dollars of Indian casino money into Alabama to defeat. Excuse me to defeat me engine. Defeat a proposal that I had on the table all the Alabama education lottery which would have provided free college education and Early Childhood. Learning to all of Alabama's over there was there were other people other whistleblowers who came forward. Later in the course of this My Best Gatien and after the trial Republican lawyer for the public the National Committee gave sworn testimony that he has been part of a discussion with a State Democratic Party chairman and that they were going to use the Department of Justice to bring me down to win the election I'd like to go back at some point to cover it more depth. What happened in he's housing? And the and the the the trials but I finished but I wanNA give guys chance. Ask Ask a question if he wants well. The first the first thing is going I mean going into politics. You know it's a dirty game. I mean most people that they we hear about how you know. I want to get into politics. I WANNA I WANNA change the world. I WanNa make it a better place. But then you see a lot of these people get into politics and they go into to Washington to stay government whatever even local and it somehow seems to. They seem to be corrupted very quickly both sides and or at least a change in personality. How soon of you getting into politics that you noticed a lot of corruption in around you? I mean ultimately you. You were accused in charge and sent to prison for it. When did you notice that politics was dirty or worse than your or worse than we all know? It is just as worse than you when you were describing. How people feel some people when they jump into politics right of I two wanted to add still do what to change. Thanks to make things better for people and that's why I chose public service and has a Avenue to to do that right. That did that successfully as two terms as secretary of state as Al Alabama's attorney general. The Governor Governor may change this voting laws as secretary of state made it easier for people to to register vote as attorney general. Crackdown on on a drug dealers drunk drivers because my wife and I were nearly killed or she was nearly killed by drunk driver and made changes in Alabama's healthcare laws as the tenant governor governor brought in five automobile plants Honda Toyota Mercedes Hyundai a second Honda plant and we built six hundred new bridges and had the largest road. Construction project started over. One thousand is school construction projects to get kids out of last train to get a minute to safe learning environments but it was it was those kinds of activities that that brought me into the national spotlight has a a person who can emerge from the south as a possible challenger to Joyce W Bush in California believe and. You're you're familiar with Davis. Oh Yeah for sure is just interesting that that call. Rove had a conversation with Enron President before the rolling blackouts for game widely known involved Chain people were recruited to work with him. Ralph Reed and grover Norquist's and both of them were involved in the demise of Gray Davis Ray Davis at the time was the lead a prospect for the Democratic nomination. In two thousand four. I was I. Was You hoping that I buy by getting into some of the southern primaries I could that I could be on? The ticket does the as his vice presidential running mate. We Gray Davis and I had a good relationship so I had these thoughts that if performed well as southerner that There would be a place for me at least for consideration on the as the swapping and so. I think that you know talk about that. Brought the Republicans position where they tell like this. I'm not throwing a net around all the Republicans this a talking about Karl Rove and a few a handful of other people right right. There was a republican state attorney general from Arizona at Grant Wood was interviewed by Scott Pelley Hill. Sixty minutes and great woods was the one of the CO chairman for Senator John. Mccain's two thousand presidential race. And he said Grant Wood's Republican said that Don settlement was the one Democrat that Republicans couldn't beat Sarah Square so they targeted targeted him with the prosecution now. They're they're three people featured on the back cover of my book. Warned is Donald Trump won his jeff sessions and the other is Karl Rove and the. There's a there's a reason for that and the reason for Donald Trump being there because the abuse of power that brought me down is also going on today. The reason my jeff sessions's on there is because Jeff sessions was also involved. It was not it was not the FBI that investigated bay. It was jeff sessions retired. Fbi Agents Jeff sessions had been the US attorney in the southern district of Alabama before he entered state politics as attorney general the US senator and it was at a time when Jeff sessions was interested in running against me for governor that that his retired agents were employees to investigate me and build a case against me now backing up to a year of two thousand and more on when the kiplinger letter said that I was a dark horse candidate for the Democratic nomination in thousand a two faced reelection a headache a republican congressman from Alabama running. I wasn't the slightest bit inside the Political bowls were indicating that I would. I was going to win reelection and we went into the election. Feeling confident mentioned that I wrote in five automobile. Plants should put a lot of people to work in Alabama. But what happened that night of the election? Actually one singing house. Abc ABC all national networks called the election for Don Siegelman. The election was closed it was over the lice. Returned off in the courthouses. Everybody was sent home and within four minutes within four minutes after the polls closed in a southern Alabama County Baldwin County Republican Control County. Six thousand votes simply disappeared they reposted the total subtracting six thousand nine which through the election. Jim My pounded. It's a close election ever in Alabama. There was that was the closest election ever in Alabama for that. Yeah well a what happened demonstrates my point further that the election was stolen. I'm is. It's easy to say that your election was stolen. But when six thousand votes or simply subtracted from the total of the talk personnel on the ballot the governor. You would expect that some some votes would be changed in down ballot races for Lieutenant Governor State Treasurer Auditor Congress. Us Senate not one. Single vote changed in any other race. Only six thousand disappeared before I could get to Baldwin County the next morning for a hand recount of the place the one precinct where those votes disappeared call. Rose client state attorney. General sees the ballots took them to Montgomery legally certified my opponent as the winter war which then put us in a catch twenty two in Alabama. You can't challenge at election unless you can prove to adjudge that. There were enough illegal. Votes cast or legal votes counted to make a difference in the outcome. Well because the attorney general call rose client had the balance and good let anybody see them or count them. I could not get a recount so announced that. Okay guys. You got me on this one. But I'M GONNA come back and run again in two thousand six and win this election and get on with building the state at that point. Jeff sessions retired agents. Were put into gear. They built the case. They filed the case in Federal Gordon Northern District of Alabama. The federal judge the first day of the trial. So this is the most unfounded criminal case over which I've ever presented him in my twenty nine years and seven months on the badge. The government dismissed the case with prejudice within just days after my formal announcement that I was going to run again in two thousand six. A second indictment was released that resulted in the trial in two thousand six. I WanNa make something clear here to about Donald Trump. Bang on the back cover. And I'd like to know so. Think about Rob Begovic militarising. The governor together villain away was on tape. Recorded trying to make deals to swap favors official action for things that would benefit him personally. In case I was not accused of taking a single penny the contribution the one contribution that sent me to prison was a contribution to not Alabama education lottery proposal a ballot referendum. That was being posed by jacked Abramov and the Mississippi choctaw Indians funnel twenty million dollars illegally entered the state. I raised money legallais. Five hundred thousand dollars to promote the passage of the lottery which would have sent against the college for free and provided universal early learning for all Alabama skits. There was. There was no evidence of any who had broke much less and express one as in Begovic guys. And if you if you look at the allegations of Donald Trump's in eastland their allegations that and we heard tape recordings of Donald trump saying to the president of Ukraine. Basically you can get this money but I wanted investigation you. There's a big difference between what's made a person and and the allegations against Donald Trump. And what sent Rod Begovic to person? Selling my there was no quid. Pro Quo no personal benefit idea point. That was official action. I did appoint a fortune five hundred CEO to a back to a board on which she had served for twelve years appointed by three previous governors Republicans and Democrats a nonpaying board. Yes there was official action. I did appoint this guy contributor to the same board on which is served for twelve years but the facts and circumstances surrounding not gay so far different from others. My point is I'm giving you the background of of of how the Justice Department and be manipulated to prosecute someone if they want to bring them down. Department of Justice under Karl Rove was weaponized to go after Democrats and to basically to leave. Republicans in fact he fired seven Republican. Us attorneys they negotiate wrote a book blurred back from my book. IF I had seven Republicans. Us attorneys because they wouldn't take all rose dirty work and then they promoted people like those prosecuted me And rewarded them with right so anyway. There's a big difference between by case and others the coheres abuse of power whether it's Democrat or Republican has got to come to an end. And if you don't believe that Donald Trump can can manipulate the department of Justice for Olympic Land. Look at look at the facts. He fired sally. Yates James Comey fired. Andrew McCabe he hired Jeff Sessions. Far Jeff sessions when he wouldn't you do what trump wanted him today with the Department of Justice and hired bill law. He does so clearly. The Department of Justice can't be shaped for a political outcome. Not that's not to say. The Donald Trump has been abusing his power in the sense of using it to prosecute Democrats but it is to say that it can be manipulated. Can Be abused and Inaba lay out a plan where we can occur. Tail the abuse of Power. Not just for political prosecutions. But for anybody I think about it. If they can bring a governor down and I had the resources to fight I have had people who were willing to contribute to my legal defense lawyers. Lots of them for decades But if they can do this to a sitting governor what can they do to an unemployed steelworker petition housewife the mechanic down the street? What can what can they do to a woman of color if they want to put them there for half ounce of marijuana more well let me ask you. This actually brings your question. You say you've outlined in your book but if you're saying that they can take down a governor. How the hell just does everyday folk. How are we gonNA make a difference? How do I mean we vote people in that? We hope that can make a difference better as you can see if they don't like these people they're going to take them out. I mean I'm just going to throw out there with Katie Hill. You know here in California. She had some nude pictures or something like that. And she instantly resigned valley and Simi Valley. So it's how how to an and I'm not talking about just Democrats I'm talking about. Even Republicans are matter any party Randy Party. It's it's if they can take down a governor and even a senator or I mean we've seen senators rea resigned due to allegations and You mean look at Nixon. You know getting you know yes he? He broke the law. But it's like they got him out to he resigned. How do we just everyday people? Americans stop this corruption. How can we do that? I don't have I don't have an answer right. Everything right right I I serve. I served time in prison. Beginning thousand seven And I met a lot of people and talk to a lot of people helped a lot of paper wrote a lot of petitions and briefs and did what I could to help those that I felt had been wrongly accused or convicted. And what I learned was that this was a federal prison. What I'm talking about is federal but it's also applicability to state prosecutors as well. The federal government gets nine ninety nine percent of all of the indictments. They see ninety. Nine percents is a pretty good record. Almost almost flawless which raises the question in the world. Do they do that? Ninety seven percent of the people who are indicted plead guilty about sixty seven percent of them before they even got an attorney. The government has a phenomenal record of sending people to prison. And but the reason that it's happening is because has one of your judges The the Chief Judge of the Circuit Court of Appeals Alex. Kozinski said prosecute the withholding the withholding on the scope. Patry evidence by prosecutors. Is Epidemic the Prosecutors in the secrecy of a grand jury can present false evidence. False testimony with withhold exculpatory. Evidence evidence. Tim Free a target With with with impunity. They did this because there is no judge present and there is no lawyer for the for the target of the grand jury president to to object to the testimony or to object to the production of evidence. Now if you're in a civil deposition and a lawyer presents a question that shouldn't be asked or trials introduce evidence that shouldn't be introduced. The lawyer for the defendant has an opportunity to judge and a magistrate judge decides whether or not that evidence or testimony should be love in what should happen in grand. Juries is that the target should be able to have a lawyer present to object to false testimony or to object misleading evidence And that those objections should be heard and decided by a judge before the grand jury acts on them. It is indisputable that a grand jury is a critical point of a credit of a criminal proceeding. It does no good that our our laws require a defendant to have an attorney if they've already been indicted and ninety seven percent of them have already pled guilty for a lawyer to have any impact on behalf of those who are innocent or he should not be charged in the grand jury setting. And you know there's so many table who well. I'm just talking about myself me. I wouldn't have been indicted if I had had a lawyer. Present in my grand jury of the two lawyers that presenting evidence. One of them was his name. Is Matt Hart? The Department of Justice itself released a report that was published by the project on governmental oversight of December fourteenth. Two Thousand Fifteen. The government itself Department of Justice itself it mid that in my case they had evidence that the lead prosecutor he was pushing for my investigation and prosecution was in email communication with Republican opponents campaign manager. Now let's back up. Pill Hill was managing Republican opponents campaign. It was the husband of the of the. Us Attorney Call Rose best friend. His business partner in Alabama is was a guy named Billy Canary. They both were in the Bush quayle campaign without failed in nineteen. Ninety-two they both came. Alabama Karl Rove. Billy Canary Married girl. Smell the rose set up shop on Rosemary Beach and on the Gulf Coast Billy. Canary settled him his wife and and Montgomery they worked together to take over political campaigns in Alabama. One of the campaigns eventually was the State Attorney General Karl Rove Not. My point is the. Us Attorney is was connected to rove the State Attorney General was his client. The lead prosecutor was who is seeking investigation was email communication with my Republican opponents campaign manager and I was brought to trial one month before my reelection in the courtroom. Where the a the wife of Colorado's best friend and the campaign manager my opponent was the prosecutor. Ron said he wanted to act as well. I mean my thing is. You're when you wrote this book. I mean you must have a lot of a lot of information that you wanted to put it in this book and and was there some things in the book that are that. You didn't put the book that you wanted to. That may be COULDA got feedback or too sensitive to sensitive that you didn't want to share with the public or you wanted to share but you might have got you in trouble in the long run. I well I did write a book. I had may have plenty of time to write five minutes longer. Wrote a longer book. It was about six hundred forty pages but when I got out of a shopped it around to some literary agents. Say all agreed. That was a good story but needed to be cut so after got out of prison in February of two thousand seventeen. I started kind to compress this six hundred and forty page. Mammoth memoir into what some described as a John Grisham thriller because it has as many twists and turns and unbelievable actions but in politics is anybody could ever imagine but yeah I short but no. I didn't leave out anything that that I that I would have gotten anybody in trouble. The people I'm talking about or alive and well Bill Bill. Fire Koros client whom? I'm saying illegally seized illegally certified the vote. It costs me my election in two thousand and two is seated on the eleventh circuit. Court of Appeals. Now aren't you afraid that they would come after you for right I can? I can come after me but they can't they you know it's hard it's hard for for somebody to file a civil damages if you tell them the truth and I'm not afraid of anything that sends monk it's documented. It's got I think about forty pages of legal notes and they want to file a lawsuit. I'd be happy to face them and put them under oath and ask them questions. And I don't think that's going to happen. Five years is a long time to set in reflect on your life. You know decisions you make and even just What other people have done toward you? You know some people can get bitter some people. Can you know look for revenge and some people can find peace in in those five years? What was your your take on your own reflection in those five years besides writing this book. I mean it sounds like a great book. I haven't had a chance to read it because it's not out yet but What was your take on your own life and what you WANNA do Once now that you're out what's what's your. What's your goal to give you a couple of examples. I'm GonNa about your question. We run out of town. We won't we won't the If I if I told you that the president of the United States Senate his lawyer into the Supreme Court and argue that. Us citizens do not have a constitutional right not to be framed. That would probably shock you. Well that's exactly what President Obama did on January the fourth two thousand ten his lawyer went to the Supreme Court and argue that. Us citizens don't ever right not to be framed. Don't do not have a constitutional right not to be fine. The second thing that I would mention that a lot of people don't know is your listeners. They probably don't know that a judge can add years to a person. Senate's prison sentence for matters that the jury found that person not guilty. A jury finds him not guilty but the judge can add years to a person sentence for those matters for which the jury found the defendant. Not Guilty in my case the federal judge tripled triple by God line rage for matters for which I was acquitted and the final thing is. I mentioned that ninety. Seven percent of the people plead guilty the three percent. They go to trial if they testify on their own behalf and the jury finds him guilty. Anyway the judge figures well. They must've lied because the jury found him guilty. Therefore I'm going to add a perjury charge or an obstruction of justice charge to the half ounce of marijuana whatever was convicted at right over and over and over again so when. I sold these things recurring. Newman I heard stories about false. Evidence being presented or exculpatory evidence. Not being allowed. I realized that if if you believe that everything has a purpose or if you believe that in every situation one should look for a reason or a purpose for one being in that situation. I felt like God was telling me. Okay Don. You've seen what's wrong with it. You've seen what's wrong with the criminal justice system? Now go fix so. That is my quest. Now you know running. This book is not about me. This is this is about democracy. This is about preserving protecting our freedoms this is about protecting those are more vulnerable in society. They don't have the resources to fight back. So what I WANNA do is to balance the scales of justice and to do that to make the changes in the criminal justice system that will protect the innocent I've got to have credibility to do that. And that's why I'm asking people to preorder this book. Go to Amazon. Hold on Donaldson that going to be tough for you. I got all these different charges that you were charged with. I know you're acquitted on twenty five counts and this and that is going to be tough for you to come from that position. Yeah exactly that's why it's important that this not be read and and be read. Broadly so that people will understand that criminal. Justice system is out of balance. There was a guy named one Garcia After Obama started giving out pardons for people who had been convicted of marijuana. I want around and I was asking some of these guys. What was your charge? One Garcia had been charged in nineteen ninety seven but the F. Elsa Marijuana even given a felony but put on probation a nine hundred ninety nine it was same thing actually nineteen ninety four ninety seven and ninety nine years convicted again on a marijuana charge. No amount but he was. He was careered. Elvis give him twenty five years for those because of the team prior felonies of one half of marijuana or more he was able to get out after nineteen years but the fact that somebody was would be sent to prison for that long one for marijuana tea for a half house. Marijuana more is insane but we find it rampant across the country and you know people deserve a fair trial and in order to get a fair trial. They've got to have a Scott to be a balanced approach to a grand jury. Right now. Prosecutors are immune from civil liability. No matter what they do in the grand jury they can percents false evidence. They can withhold exculpatory evidence. They cannot be sued civilly because of the federal towards claims that grants them immunity. So we need to repeal the immunity in the Federal Torch claims so that prosecutors can be held civilly at least civilly responsible for sending. You're taking somebody's life away. And then secondly we need every every interview with every witness recorded and those recordings turned over to the defense before the trial in my case the one guy that testified for the government had been interviewed for four years he had been interviewed according to sixty metals over seventy seven zero seventy times and he had been made to write and rewrite is proposed testimony over and over until he got his strike meaning until he got his answers the way the prosecution wanted and so we we need to have those Those interviews recorded and those recordings turned over to the defense so that we can ensure that people have a fair shake that the scales balanced so they have a fair shot. Well we only have just a few minutes left and I mean as you know in everybody sees. There's such a division in America right now. I mean I think there always has been kissed. There seems to be more visible now and you know in Washington. We see it all the time in the state houses. We see it all the time. Is it really in in politics? Is it really the division that badges for the the the Pursuit of power For the party's itself because it just it's something just doesn't seem right to me when it comes to we always say we're Americans first but yet it seems like we're so divided I mean I forget the religions. Forget all this other stuff but is it just mostly power when it comes to politics itself? It really makes no sense. You're you're exactly right. There there is absolutely no reason for the party's political parties to be so dug in and so unwilling to work together to compromise in. What would be the best interest of the people of the country right baby? We saw a little of that in this Relief package that was passed. But there's so many other issues that can be solved if people would only as you said but but become American stores in the interest of American rights before of whatever else it is now part of it of course is driven by Your Campaign. Contributions and young people seeking reelection in worried about. Were they going to get the money to run? These expensive campaigns on on television campaigns amount of money that we spend is obscene. It forecloses most average people from entering into politics And you know I'm I'm not one for big government of not one for normally for am not even sure this work but you know having a public funded campaign but if there was a way to eliminate or restrict the amount of money we've seen citizens united you're the top spend blowing off for that so I'm not sure where we are or how we can get back to the proposition that you propose that members of both political parties ought to consider themselves Americans first and do what's in the best interest of the country into that well we we are honored to have you on the show People please go to STEALING OUR DEMOCRACY DOT COM. You can Check out the website. Go to Amazon preorder June sixteenth. The this Book is going to be released and government Governor SIEGELMAN IS GONNA be I'm sure going to be doing a lot of tours and and Interviews and and we hope and wish you. Good luck with everything and pleased. 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20210428 Nicole Sandler Show - Ratfucking Then & Now with Don Siegelman

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20210428 Nicole Sandler Show - Ratfucking Then & Now with Don Siegelman

"The following program contains graphic material including offensive language of your discretion is advised. Jeez got the news. She talks with newsmakers. She encourages us to laugh and she cries with us. Speaking truth to power and questioning authority daily. It's the nicole sandler show all right. Welcome to a wednesday. Everybody i am. Nicole sampler coming to live from nicole sandler dot com. That's where the show is based and should you ever. You know get to five o'clock eastern pacific on a weekday and we're not being heard in the usual places you can always go to nicole sandler dot com you. Click on the listen live and there are links to the various streams to the progressive voices network which at progressive voices dot com to my stream at nicole sandler dot com which you can also always get at nicole. Sandler stream dot com. If all else fails you can always just get the simple audio stream. Their links to our video streams these days. We are on facebook live. We are on twitter and we are on twitch. We are still suspended from youtube for a ridiculous reason that i've already spoken about. I'm sure we'll. I'm sure i'll rant about in in days to come before. Suspension ends the end of june ridiculous But that's again that's the story for another day today. Let me tell you what's going on. I we are. I know. i seem to dwell on this theme but we live in a world. I mean we go along you and i. We're we're relatively saying. I'm not saying that. All my marbles are where they should be know like anybody else. I have my issues as we all do. But we we by we. I mean progressives democrats. We're painted by the right as crazy people. But we know that they are guilty of projection. This is what they do. They take what they do and push it off on us. I just heard the craziest thing in fact. Let me play this for you while a while i still have it here on. I'm thinking about it. I think i pulled the video. Yes okay so orange county california. Oh shoot this. Won't this won't work. they're all right. I'm gonna play it from from the from the website. Hold on one second. I just gotta get it. I gotta get it up as they say all right so orange county. California is not my favorite place as somebody who lived in los angeles A very liberal person. We always used to joke about you. Go into orange county and the things behind. The orange curtain are not quite so democratic friendly. It's kind conservative down there. But i didn't realize they were just really stupid to and i bring this up because there's a hearing the orange. County board of supervisors is having a hearing. I guess about the vaccines. And i want you to hear what one of the supervisors said. And i can't make this stuff up. It is real. I just saw this moments before coming on the air. So it's fresh in my mind. You're ready for this all right. Let's go to the videotape It's only at the patient's request correct does it. Is there any intention of tracking folks. Donald wagner supervisor third district. Is there any in the vaccine we heard about an injection of tracking device is is is being done anywhere in orange county witnesses laughing to compose myself. There's not a vaccine with tracking device embedded in that i know of exists in the world period period. Okay now the idiocy is just astounding. This was yesterday at eleven fifty am pacific time. Orange county california. Donald p wagner supervisor third district. Hey orange county california people seriously. You guys need to turn off the fox. Because they're doing the. This is your brain on fox. Your remember the old commercials is your brain on drugs. This is your brain on fox. These people are demented. They are they are nuts. The kind of shit that they're spewing is frankly embarrassing and and their spawning all of these crazy fucking people around the country. So i read a story the other day. I'm in south. Florida or florida as i like to call it and see a story about a school called center academy and i. My heart skipped to beat. Because i thought it said center academy because that's the name of a school that my kid went to in ninth grade for half of the year. Thankfully it's not the same place. The one she went to was a little bit better than this. So center academy apparently told it's parents that no or told told staff and teachers that nobody is allowed to be vaccinated if you do get vaccinated. They do not want you to have contact with children because they're afraid that you that the kids can catch something from a vaccinated adult. This is a school a private school. That has a pre k. It goes pre k through eighth grade. I tried calling there and the phone just rings. It doesn't go to voicemail nobody answers i wonder why but anyway i was able to pull up their website center. C. e. n. t. n. e. r. academy dot com and look at their twenty twenty one to twenty twenty two tuition and fees part-time pre k. To is well. It's only a very reasonable fifteen thousand one hundred and sixty dollars a year. Preschool i guess this is full time. School pre k to to pre k. Four twenty two thousand four hundred seventy five dollars a year. Okay then kindergarten to fifth grade. Well now you're an actual school so it's a little bit higher twenty four thousand five hundred dollars a year and for sixth through eighth grade twenty nine thousand eight hundred fifty dollars a year but wait. There's more the matriculation fee what is twenty two hundred dollars. The technology to fifty the computer fee is three fifty and the smart tuition fee. I guess as opposed to the dumb tuition fee. It's fifty dollars. Oh and there's also a two hundred dollar application fee. Tuition insurance and protection is not included. Monthly payment plans incur a one hundred dollars a month. Surcharge and lunch is billed separately. A two hundred and thirty dollars a month and by the way they will not allow any teachers or staff to be vaccinated because they believe that being vaccinated poses some kind of a threat to the children in the school who they and it goes back to. They actually have a vaccine policy. Here's their vaccine policy at center academy we value individuality and honor freedom of choice. We are proud that our happiness school our happiness school does not mandate vaccines of any kind and we accept religious exemptions. Oh my god. So this is in miami miami proper. There's the preschool. Campus in the elementary and middle school campus. I'd call them. But i'll try again. I tried calling a little while ago and again there was no answer. But i'll try again. What the hell. Because i really. I really wanted per calling governor academy. They're going to school. Campus press one for the elementary and middle school to want to press to. Let's see if anybody answers. Because i really like to talk to somebody when i called earlier to see. That would go through if they even answered the phone at just. The message repeats connecticut somebody answered. Hi my name's nicole sandler do a radio show. I'm curious about your vaccine policy okay. I'm doing what was your name again. Nicole sandler on the air. It's an internet radio show. And so i wanted to and they have. I'm sorry you call in the main line. Can i go ahead and have your information. And i kept someone contacted well. See i'm i'm on the air now so i'm trying to get an answer about your vaccine policy. Your i apologize. You're calling school phone in order for us to go ahead and speak to. Parents need pick up through student. Oh i see okay all right and there's not another number i can call. I can take your name and information and then just have someone contact you. You know what. I'll call back another time. Thank you very much. Thank you so much von. Oh well at least they answered. Okay so i guess they're still doing business. Who would send their kid there would you. I guess maybe the orange county supervisor. Except he's in california or maybe they're joe rogan listeners. Joe rogan who. I guess does a popular podcast. Who know not a doctor not a scientist. As far as i can tell but he goes on the air to his millions of listeners and apparently yes he has millions of listeners. A suppose and tells them well if you're young and healthy and you work out. You don't need to get the vaccine. Excuse me what this is the problem. This is where we are in the twenty first century in the united states of america people who have no bona fee days who have no scientific expertise. No education tell you what to do with your body and how to fight this global pandemic. that's already killed almost six hundred thousand people in this country alone. What is wrong with people. If i need medical advice i certainly don't go to my account or to the guy at the gym. I go to a doctor. If i have a scientific question i go to a scientist. This is this is indicative of where i hate to say it. But we're the last four years has gotten us. I won't place all the blame on the last four years but certainly a lot of it comes from there where you had idiots who didn't know what the hell they were doing telling we had people lehman in the trump administration celebrating that they got the cdc the centers for disease control to change their verbiage and their their guidance into to use their language rather than what the medical experts say. I just i just don't get it. I just do get it so their stuff going on today. By the way. I'm looking at everything that's going on and realizing that if somebody high enough up in government wants to do something to you they can we as citizens have no recourse and this was brought back to me in a big way when i got an email from from from don siegelman. Now if you've listened to this show for any amount of time you're familiar with name and if you've if you've been involved in progressive politics for any amount of time you should know the name. Don siegelman he was governor of alabama from one thousand nine hundred ninety nine two thousand three. He was a progressive. He was just a rising star in the democratic party. There was talk that if he were to win. Re-election as governor for a second term in alabama that you know he could be a potential presidential candidate and he would have been great. You know a southern progressive would be awesome. And then well. Karl rove went after him. And don siegelman wound up railroaded. He wound up in prison. He wound up no longer governor. He wound up in solitary confinement. He served a long time in prison and finally he served out his sentence. Nobody came to his rescue not to party. Who knew who he was. He wound up serving years in jail and then he was under supervision. When he was finally released he'd just finally got rid of that and now you know he. He wrote a book. We had him on last year when the book came out called stealing our democracy how the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation. And now he finished doing the audio book reading the entire thing. So it's in his voice and and so i don siegelman has an open invitation on this show anytime and actually. It's good timing. Because i wanna get his take on what is going on. And and for example who is worse. Who was more of a part of the term. But it is an actual political term rat fucker. Who's the biggest wrath. Fucker was it karl. Rove or is it roger stone and again you know wrath fucking has been around for for a long time in fact i think they said donald gregg back in the nixon years was the original rat. Fucker wikipedia says wrath fucking is an american slang term for political sabotage or dirty tricks particularly pertaining to elections the thing that makes the trump people so horrible is they are rat fucking on steroids. Because this is the projection rat fucking. They did all the dirty tricks deal the election. They turn around and accused our side of doing what they did it. It's almost too complicated. It's enough to make your head explode. So it'll be interesting to get don siegelman take on that and find out who he thinks might be worse. you know if it was if it is karl rove who went after him who got him. Good tell you that. Or someone like roger stone in the rest of the cabal that surrounds the former guy. Speaking of part of the cabal that surrounds the former guy. It's great timing because today. Yes this morning This morning the feds rated rudolph giuliani's upper east side new york city apartment and his office building on park avenue. I love this hakim jeffries. Who is trying to position himself to succeed. Nancy pelosi as speaker of the house. I'll reserve judgment on that. Well i know where i stand but we'll go into that another day because i don't have time today. But how came. Jeffries tweeted quote. It's official rudy. Giuliani is now under federal criminal investigation. Yeah so here's the story rudy's apartment on the upper east side and park avenue office building where bolts searched by the feds devices at the crux of the probe. Investigators have been trying to figure out whether giuliani lobbied trump illegally for favors spur ukrainian oligarchs who are helping him sniff out. Biden controversies one of the key. Questions has been whether he was paid for trying to persuade trump to oust. Us ambassador. Marie ubon bitch. We remember marie-yvonne bit. She was one of the heroes of the impeachment. Her testimony was jaw-dropping. It was just just great and you know. Donald trump always threatened by any strong woman. Anybody who who'd stand up to her. Well there's more. Let me tell you. More harry. Littman tweeted out. Hold the phone. Fbi now at advert victoria. Ten things house. Oh now victoria tensing. It's a lawyer. Wife and partner of joseph degen uva same circles is rudy and trump. This has the hallmarks of a bigger day at doj. And she's probably not expecting it on like rudy. So not only did they re raid rudy giuliani's apartment and office but victoria tensing and joseph degen. Remember they were going to join his defense team and then like the next day said no. We're not and i don't know what that was about whether it was just. They didn't wanna lose their lucrative fox contributor jobs because they get money for that and they probably knew that that donald trump is a notorious shirker in other words. He doesn't pay his bills. So i don't know but there's a lot going on here and yes so this is good. This is good news about something that that judged in obviously a judge cleared the way for these raids carried out and they've got rudy's phones and computers and all right so that's going on hoping to get some bit of justice. Another judge made a ruling this one in north carolina. This one. i'm not so happy about superior court. Judge jeff foster today ruled that today issued a decision to not publicly released the bodycam footage of the fatal april twenty first shooting when when cops in elizabeth city north carolina shot and killed andrew brown. Junior remember it was. I was just yesterday. His family was supposed to see the video. They go to the courthouse or the police station or wherever it was they. Were supposed to see it and they were told. We're not ready for you yet. We have to redact some of the footage which is nonsense because this is not the media. This is not the public. This is the family of the man made killed and so they had to wait so when they finally waited they were finally brought in and shown twenty seconds of video. Twenty seconds when the video started shots had already been fired so the shooting was in processed in progress they have. They didn't have any context. They didn't get to see what precipitated it. They didn't get to see what happened before the shots were fired. They were shown twenty seconds and even at the twenty seconds. They said what they witnessed in. That twenty seconds was an execution now. The judge says no no video for you. We are not gonna show you. What's on this video. i'm. I'm sorry that's just that's just flat out wrong so now i'm hearing well we may get to see it. Let me see. If i can't find this other story that i was just looking at now. I can't find it. We may get to see it after thirty days. But they're saying the judge said his decision not to release. This footage was based based on. I can't make this up. Was based on the footage potentially affecting a fair trial if there was to be one and possibly jeopardizing the safety of the deputies in question now remember there were like seven cops and i don't have the exact information in front of me but there were seven officers suspended. A few were fired their stuff going on here and and for them to say. Nobody is seeing this video. I i think what is on. That tape is devastating and by not showing it to us. You know what we can conjure up in our imaginations. What we think happened is going to be worse than what did happen. Maybe or maybe not. Maybe it's just so horrific that i certainly don't want to see it but we need to see this stuff and i'll tell you something. This story comes out. And and then i see this one and i wasn't even looking for it but let me show you this today. April twenty eighth daily beast one fifty two. Pm eastern time bodycam footage shows fatal chicago. Shooting of anthony alvarez. This is never ending a police watchdog agency in chicago. Released chilling footage today of a cop fatally shooting twenty two year old anthony alvarez from behind a march thirty first incident that took place less than forty eight hours after the fatal police shooting of thirteen year old adam. Todo the in bodycam footage from the officer who filed the fired. The fatal shots we see him run past another officer in pursuit of alvarez who appears to have been holding an object that look like a gun and i the the cop says hey drop the gun drop the gun as he comes up close behind this twenty two year old kid. I'm sorry twenty two. He's a kid. The officer then quickly fires several several shots at alvarado as he fled. Alvarado then is hit. He's moaning in pain. He says why are shooting me. The cop says you had a gun. Just i haven't seen that footage either. But according to the daily startled says there's no indication from the footage that alvarado pointed the weapon at the officer. It says in in what is presumably a security camera at a nearby home footage from that al alvarez does appear to be holding something shaped like a gun. The object falls to the ground after the incident and the officers on-scene repeatedly expressed concern about keeping tabs on it. Even as they attempt to render to alvar alvarez. I guess they rendered aid while. That's a difference. Should we be happy about that. I don't know what the answer is. I do know that there is legislation out there for police reform. And something's gotta be done. Oh and by the way there's more here's another one. Police relieved footage released footage of the events. Leading to the death of mario gonzalez twenty six year old latino man in alameda california showing officers kneeling on the man's back and shoulder until he became unresponsive. The video contradicts officials original account of the confrontation. Three officers involved have been placed on administrative. Leave i mean it's just the never ending story. I don't know what it's going to take until these cops stop doing this. Take their guns away. If a cop is on traffic stop duty. He doesn't need to be armed or she. I'm just. I'm just disgusted. Then there's a follow up to the story. I told you about on monday. Karen garner the seventy three year. Old woman who was tackled to the ground by loveland colorado police. This was horrific. I played the video. This frail eighty pound. Woman was tackled to the ground by this cop later on you see him in the squad room playing back the video on laughing saying there's the pop and he laughed about. He said that was her shoulder. He also fractured her arm. And now her family is speaking out. She's got a daughter daughter-in-law and a granddaughter and they're all saying she has not come back. She's now living in assisted living facility and she is anxious and scared and it's not the woman that they know and love. This is just disgusting. Something's gotta give all right enough of that. I see i see. The don siegelman is is in the zoom room. So we're going to talk with him just a moment but we're also waiting for the not the state of the union address. It is joe biden's first joint address to a joint session of congress. It would be the state of the union address if this wasn't his first year in office but because usually it's delivered earlier it's like in february or maybe march but usually like february. And by that time. I guess they figure that the incoming president hasn't been on the job long enough to actually do a state of the union address. So it's it's a. It's an address to a joint session of congress. Well this year. It was delayed for a number of reasons. One is of course. Well cova everything is cove related but the other is because the this speech will be delivered tonight from the same room where insurrectionists broke into congress and you know wanted to kill nancy pelosi and hang mike pence and this is the first time that they were doing a big event in in the capital again. And i'm sure there was a lot of trepidation surrounding that. And i'm sure they took great security measures And now we know that there will be a maximum of two hundred people in the room as opposed to being a packed room. So it's going to be a different kind of speech than we're used to aside from the fact that it's not actually a state of the union address but joe biden's also going to be delivering his new newest plan and it is the this is the second part of his infrastructure proposal. This is the what are they calling this one the american. Oh god i don't even know i hold on. I've got it right here. i have. I have the Let's see it is the got a scroll up to the top of the pdf like a fifteen page document. The american families plan. It's all related. And i guess if he had to split them up into jobs infrastructure families. That's okay. I think it's it's. It's the was the rescue plan the jobs plan and now the american families plan. So there's a lot of details there. Maybe we'll get into it. Maybe not but i see our guest is here and let me get our shots at up and i wanna bring don siegelman in of course because he is our guest today so i will say hello governor and welcome back to the show thank you. I'm glad to be back. And what a what a great day to be back. As the last time we talked the future of the country was not quite as clear or as bright as it is today but thank goodness we have major change and there's a new president a new direction for this country. I'm really so proud. So blair the biden administration zone. As i governor. I got to be honest with you. I was not that excited about a biden candidacy and even more worried about a biden presidency. I didn't think he could win. And i certainly didn't expect the progressiveness we're seeing from him. I i said it a few times. And i'll say it again. I've never been so happy to have been so wrong at least so far knocking on on wood. Laminate you're a progressive. So are you surprised at the direction. The the The biden administration is moving. Well as you. I am pleased. I think new president's choice they can either start looking toward the next election and choose a moderate and cautious path forwards. Not so they don't really take chances. Don't rock the boat. Don't offend to many people or as Joe biden is chosen One to go all al recognizing that you know. He knows he has four years. And that's all he knows he may not even have for years but he knows he was elected for for your term. And there's no guarantee. The reelection is in the future so he is. He is decided to make chain. He's putting people in place who is appointed people who also want change. And as a result of we're seeing that the fulfillment of his campaign promises. I am delighted and encouraged yes. It's a good thing and it seems like you know he's listening to the people that bring him there. As it worked. I was worried that bernie sanders was going to give up the power base that he had look. He has had a huge following and he brought a lot to the party to the election without bernie sanders supporters. Joe biden couldn't have one but it seems and i was afraid that he was going to sort of push them off to the side and say get out of your kid. You're bothering me. But he didn't it seems like he's really taking a lot of of what bernie is suggesting to heart except you know. Of course they were going to be things so we noticed in this new american families plan bernie's suggestion that in terms of health care that they lower the age the medicare eligibility age. I think to sixty or fifty five a few other things. Those suggestions were not taken instead. What they do is they. Basically shore up the affordable care act and and make the the addition to the subsidies last longer which is one of the things they did in the in the american rescue plan. And i know that it's true because my my insurance from the exchange it's through healthcare dot gov and after that legislation went through. I said well let me go in. And see if i can get you some help on my premium and sure enough. My premiums came down about one hundred dollars a month so the help is there and he. This plan now makes that extends it further to give more people help. And i guess to get to ensure another four million people so at least it's going in the right direction. Well it is going in the right direction and needs to go further in the left direction and no one should go to hungary hungry or homeless without healthcare. And we still have a long way to go. I am pleased that the biden administration has picked up on a bernie elizabeth warren of call for of universal pre-k early learning all kids and everyone should go to college and we should forgive student loans that we should reform taxes. We should Raise the minimum wage and create new jobs. So you know lots is going on and again Joe biden has chosen a path of change and Clearly understands that this is his moment in history. If he's going to give back to. The working families of america now is the time without a doubt without a doubt. Now there's still a long ways to go and you mentioned the the education this new plan that he's going to really introduce tonight in the speech calls for it says four more years of education free education. It's two years of preschool and then two years of community college but they're also talking about more money for pell grants and more grant to historically black colleges and universities and other schools that cater to low income people and minorities. And so it's really you know. Finally i feel like we have an administration who's looking out for the little guy which we haven't had in a while. Frankly so you're absolutely right is crystal clear that President biden has placed at the top of his agenda. The working families of america which includes and understanding that. The parents want the best for their children to get there. They've got to have pre k. Tab some promise of higher education We've got to have tax reform higher minimum wage better jobs and he's moving and all of those directions. You know the other thing. That we haven't mentioned is is push for Toward and understanding of the climate crisis. He's he's you know. He jumped out of the box with that. Right headed in the right direction so more applause. Yes we talked about that yesterday. Here on the show that he convened this climate summit with forty world leaders the zoom but is committed to doing something which after coming off a four years of a guy trying to reverse the course on any progress. We made it's refreshing. But he wants to take it even further. So i'm thrilled about all that but here we are today. Don siegelman talking. And whenever i think of your story i get angry. I get so angry. And i'm looking at it today. I'm thinking about you and what what was done to you for those. Who don't know. And i think most of my listeners are familiar with your story. Don siegelman was arising progressive star in the democratic party. In two thousand to you. You're coming to the end of the first term as governor of alabama. You had already been attorney. General secretary of state lieutenant governor and governor only the only person to have held all four of those offices in alabama. You were running for reelection and you were considered to be a great prospect for the democratic presidential nomination. Going forward you were. You're the guy. I mean to win in alabama and i don't think there's been a democrat who's one state office. Since you left. I could be wrong. But i i don't doug jones right so and then they went after you you were targeted and it. And if you wanna tell the reader's digest version of the story for those who may not know what was done to you can do about show that was targeted from the bush white house. I was getting ready to launch a campaign. Against george w bush karl rove and his second lieutenant woman named kidding mccullough cain alabama state here throughout the campaign. She was one who was given credit by the state republican party for finding the votes necessary to swing the election to my opponent The election was illegally certified call robes client the state attorney general There was an influx of some twenty million dollars from the indian casinos mississippi by way of jock. Abramov ralph reed to call rose college buddies and so you know colorado singer prints were all over. The case have sworn testimony that he was involved in it. S the department of justice to presumably. I was brought to trial Thirty days before My reelection by the wife who is a us attorney whose husband was running my opponent's campaign. Us husband was running my opponent's campaign. I was brought to trial thirty days before my reelection in two thousand and six. So that's a thumbnail sketch my book. I'm excited about this and the goal has just. I'm not talking about the audio present right. Just finish the audio version reason. Why took me so long is because our listeners. To hear at bob boys not a hard gun. Come on and so. I'm really excited about that. So it is now available like through audible and the other places where you get audio books. So it is called Stealing our democracy. How the political assassination. A governor threatens our nation This this the original print copy. I devoured in about a day and a half. And i couldn't put it down and it so upset me and really and i go back and i think about what was done to you and how long you spent in prison. How long were you in prison. I was i was sentenced. Sadie eight months of ultimately served five years Came out with a new in criminal. Justice reform play this before our time runs out. I am pleased that we're moving forward with this. George floyd act to justice reform. But the waiter fix this. we've got. We've got to allow a lawyer for the families of victims of excessive use of force by police. A lawyer to be in the grand jury as because prosecutors present can knowingly and willingly present false evidence or testimony or withhold exculpatory evidence. There is no guarantee that any grand jury where a policeman is the target of the grand jury that the prosecutor is going to present bodycam video for example. They don't have to present the all the way they can present whatever evidence they want so we need a lawyer for the family in the grand jury. That's a great point. Because we've learned after the fact that the grand jury who heard the case about the the murder of brianna taylor in louisville kentucky they were never presented with any any prosecutorial information about the cops who actually killed her the only ones they heard any any evidence about was the cop who fired a bullet into the apartment next door and there was a charge filed there for like reckless endangerment or something but nothing about the cops who killed brianna taylor and then later we found out because they were never even presented any anything to to bring them up on charges so with if brianna taylor's family had a representative in the room. This would've that couldn't have happened. Is that what you're saying that we brought to light. Let me mention one other thing that most of your listeners probably not going to know and that is in grand. Juries one questions who the grand jurors are looking all for example they could all have been related to members of the police department and brianna taylor's guy so they have been members of the klu klux klan for that matter. No one no one for dyers like they do in a civil or criminal trial. The jurors racially balanced or that. They're not prejudiced in some way. Or another wow. I did not know that. So thank you for letting us know. So yes there are so many things that need to be fixed and you know obviously right. Now we're talking about a seems like an epidemic where people of color mostly black men but women and in some cases like we just saw video of an seventy three year old eighty pound white woman. Who was brutalized by police in loveland colorado police need to. I think they all need to be fired. Trained and rehired the ones who are worthy of the job. I think too many of them are there high on the power something that they have give. They've been given authority that they do have not earned and they don't deserve well. We have a better better policing better policies more better laws and we've got elect politicians who care and want to make a difference and i think we have in joe bud you know. I think that people were after trump. Were looking for someone who was both the civil and coast to as a role model for our kids. Someone who respected the rights of women someone who understood the importance of free press someone sense of history and someone who is going to pursue justice and that was Equal justice social justice racial justice environmental justice and criminal justice reform. And we've got that now in joe biden and kamala harris. I think so too. And i think we're on the right track. I'm happy with it. But i still you know i was. I was heartened to see. Today that the feds went into raid rudy giuliani's apartment and place of business and they also went after went to victoria. Tensing and joe degen of ass- apartment to so they're not leading the crimes of the trump administration. Just go obviously. There's there's an active investigation there. I have to ask you the question because it was one that i posed earlier. I was thinking about the story. And there's a term a pardon my french but a term called rat fucking which is known as political dirty tricks. Obviously karl rove was guilty of that. He was the big one during the bush administration. Who's who's the one is. A carl rover roger stone and steve. Dan in the rudy giuliani and the people. Trump surrounded himself with the go. What what has happened because we did. Not hold karl rove accountable his clones. Google put in place for inspired by the fact that he was able you know he started out with with richard nixon. The dirty tricks apartment of dancer grow the. That's right. I wouldn't call rove was involved of through ralph reed and grover norquist's in the demise of gray davis and i wouldn't be surprised if his fingerprints are on the current definition. Wow i wouldn't be surprised either. This stuff goes on and and you're right the fact that nothing was done about this is also what angers me the fact that they could do this to you. A very popular sitting governor in a southern state. Nobody came to your rescue. Nobody from the party said wait a minute they targeted this guy. What he did first of all the thing that they got you on was a contribution for a state lottery. Which i understand now. What twenty two years later or something or almost twenty years later is is just past the alabama senate again and they're waiting for the house to pass it that where they are now on a new lottery with the contribution that they alleged was a bribe was from a man who served on a nonpaying board. I was the fourth governor in a row to appoint the guy to the same board and served all. He didn't want to jog again right. There was no allegation that i benefited by cycle penny. You'll have the distinction. According to the eleventh circuit of being the only person public official ever sent to prison Under these circumstances but be that as it. May you know we've got to. We've got to change our justice system to protect the innocent. And to hold the guilty accountable. So i'm looking forward to playing my role. Oh by the way. I got my license return. They voted the bar. Association voted unanimously to return to give me my license back so this week. I was able to put down in my desk drawer. So that's another step in the right direction. Well i'm glad because it should have been done years ago. It should have never been taken away. But there's that that old adage too little too late. I'm really angry at this party. For not not coming to your rescue if you can be allowed to languish in jail for five years for not committing a crime just being a target of karl rove in the republicans they did open the door for donald trump to let a roger stone keep doing his dirty tricks to let steve bannon and the rest of them dealer stephen miller oh my god these just horrible sorry excuses for human beings to perpetrate their ill will on our nation and i. I'm angry at barack obama that he left office and didn't pardon you. What did you have. Have you ever spoken to anybody about that. The other thing bill. The piece of this is a hundred thirteen former state attorneys general from around the country. Lots of them. Republicans lots of democrats road to president. obama and and called on him to issue a pardon but anyway nothing was done and i'm i'm out. I'm pushing for a criminal justice reform starting with its. You know straightening out in holding police accountable for their excessive use of force against blacks in this country is just got to come to an end it. Does i see that you don't want to go there. I'll do it when you're not on the air with me. Because i'm i'm angry about it and there was no excuse for that. I'm sorry and if i ever get the chance to interview barack obama you know that's going to be one of my first questions because it's built up in me for years it just but so don siegelman have you had any contact with the biden administration. So president biden a the sixteenth street baptist church. The african american church for young girls were killed Shortly after george. Wallace raise the confederate battle flag over the capitol in nineteen sixty three. But anyway i had a chance to speak with him. Personally there and i'll have been in touch with a couple of folks in his policy office and i'll tell you that he's got some very good sharp. Caring committed people working for him. So i'm i'm proud of the quality and commitment of the people that he has on stuff. Well good. I'm glad to hear that and i agree. He's he as opposed to the former guy who said only the best people biden's actually surrounding himself with mostly good people. There are a few. I take exception to but hey nobody is going to be one hundred percent in lockstep with me so i understand that. I'm willing to compromise on certain things you mentioned. You are now in working in in criminal justice reform. are you anything in the state of alabama. I wanna go back. Why are you still in alabama well but my dog is here so i'm here got actually. We just got a little chocolate lab up. We're this is. This is for the for the moment. But yes i've been. I've been working quietly behind the scenes in the deep red republican. State trying to impact Criminal justice reform And there are there are some republicans who are also at work trying to do the same thing. So i am cautiously optimistic. This some good things hopefully will happen. I hope so. I'm glad you have your law license again. Would you ever go back to practicing. I mean you've had a big gap in there but but it's not like you ever stopped doing the research in the work. Well what i hope to do have docked on justice as soon as possible volunteering to work with the lawyers on jury selection or a criminal defense issues where i feel the state or the united states since on in the wrong direction so You know a hotel leaving an imprint there and again the the key for me right now is having having gone through all this if one is to find a pro there's purpose in everything or one is to found a purpose and everything that happens. They my purpose now is to him. Background justice reform. And so that's why the dutch with the biden administration. I'm trying to Make my way into the this new george floyd act because i think there there's some is a good step but there are some gaps there as well. What do they what is the answer. What do we do about this. Seeming epidemic of police violence against mostly black men but not only black men. It's a power trip. I think it. What do you do about it. How do you fix this. Well i think again. Because i think it starts holding police accountable and thank you do that about by repealing the immunity given to prosecutors in the investigators and the federal towards claims that in one thousand nine hundred seventy six supreme court in something called the case gave prosecutors unlimited protection from civil liability So that they can present. It's also evidence testimony or withholding scalpels jury in order to get into dighton conviction. I think president biden's should step forward one in repudiate that in an executive order and secondly till his attorney general that while president Prosecutors and investigators may not be sued civilly for doing those kinds of willful withholding oriented falls out. If they are to have done so they will be fired. Think they need to make it clear to the fbi and other agencies and to prosecutors that if they misbehave and think they can get away with framing an innocent citizen through false testimony or evidence. They're going to be fired. So there's some pros and biden. Ken do through an executive order. That will make a difference right. But what one thing that we've discovered that we we kinda new but now we're seeing it in black and white is how these officers these defending officers lie. They lie on the police report. In the case of george floyd we saw the press release issued about. He had a medical Incident and then later died at the hospital. Not a word about holding them down in the knee on the neck or any of that stuff which we would never have known about if not for that brave young woman who videotaped it by the same token and this is a totally separate and different thing just past the ten year anniversary of my arrest at a town hall meeting for trying to ask my then congressman a question and the only reason i bring this up is because that officer lied on my arrest report as well. He said that. I got physical with him and that i pushed him. The truth is and it's on videotape. He pushed me. Numerous times. And i finally elden amazon. Get your hands off me. That's when he put me under arrest but they lie with such impunity and it seems like it's just common procedure they lied. They make up what they wanna make up and put on the arrest report. How do we change that again. I think if if if we're going we got a whole we've got to start holding people accountable. We've got a repeal. The immunity gave We've got to have a lawyer present for the for the person who has charged in the grand jury as a check on truth to jug albums by the prosecution or to present evidence of their own such bodycam video or other videos that the grand jurors would not see otherwise. Keep in mind. In many cases prosecutors police and judges see themselves as playing on the same team. They see themselves. As being part of the government's team well smooth prosecutors frequently cover for police and you know the the. We have seen tragically that the deaths of box at the hands of excessive use of force by police is seemingly usual happening all the time holding them accountable as was done with derek. Chauvin is is an anomaly. Right so we. We've got to straighten that out and the way to do that is through some of the ways that i just mentioned. Gotcha i want to ask you a bit about alabama politics Last year the state did not reelect doug jones who who plays a part in your book and if people get the audio book they'll hear doug jones who is just starting out but was was was part of the story he was the senator for one term and now he was beaten by. Tommy toubon ville Watch a hell what we've gone the way of gone from some some great representatives who are in their own right You know the civil libertarians and cared about people They were somewhat constrained by by voters but they generally found a way even during the sixties to try to do the right thing to now. We've got You know a film in congress. Saying we've got another one that tempting than dummy bill right so mo brooks is now going to run for richard shelby seat. And we could wind up with no brooks tommy tucker. Would you ever run for office again. don siegelman. Well it's given the the makeup of the alabama. And i don't think i was. I was the last democrats standing in alabama and probably the Well as you mentioned the only one do all those before top offices. So i'm i'm happy with that and you never say never probably probably because it's a it's a different world than it was twenty years ago right. I mean very different in many ways. That's really sad. Do do you have any contacts dylan state government or you just kind of doing your own thing. Well i do do for some republican friends. Who are in in. I have of course democratic friends and members of the house and senate but And i'm again. I'm quietly trying to have an impact. Where can but It's difficult in this in this climate and of course with donald trump still on the loose There's a lot of pandering to the public Saw him elected officials. And that makes it difficult to to have the kind of impact on for example criminal justice program red state like alabama. The republicans are meeting. This week i guess last weekend and the week in in orlando and there was another gathering somewhere else of the republican senatorial committee or whatever they're still pandering to donald trump. Do you think that the republican party is going to survive. Because the last thing. I read a something said there's twenty. Five percent of adults will identify self. Identify as a republican. Do you think they can survive this especially now we see giuliani and the other people being rated. Hopefully there's investigations going on and they will be held accountable for what they did to this country can the can the republican party survive this. I think they will survive. I'm not sure how they will emerge and let's hope it's not in the in the shape of a trump. But you know we've got people like hawley and ted cruz out from texas and brian. Kelly from georgia. I mean they're they're doing. They're exhibiting some horrible traits and again. I think it's all pandering to the base and you know but we have to hope that that dissipates quickly right. My only concern of the republican party not surviving is that more of them will come over to the democratic party and try to pull us further to the right which is not what we need right now. They screwed up their own party. We don't need them screwing up ours where we're finally moving in the right direction so You know let them let them deal with their own. Mess don siegelman. It's always it's always great to hear from you and you know you always have an open invitation here anytime. The book is available and now the audio book is out stealing our democracy by don siegelman. Read by don siegelman. So get i mean just hearing. I read the book and a hear your voice in it hearing you tell what happened. I'm sure as just another adds another dimension to it. Thank you for sharing your story with us and again on behalf of the american people. I'm so sorry that this was allowed to happen to you. It shouldn't take you great to be with you. Look back sometime me to anytime great to talk to you. Thank you so much but by all right. Don't forget tonight. Joe biden first address to a joint session of congress. Not quite the state of the union. It'll be a address of a different kind because everything is different. We'll see how it plays out what's most important is what he says. And i think most people are going to be happy with it and we'll talk about it tomorrow. Tomorrow's thursday howie. Klein will be here but we'll also run through the speech. So if you miss anything. I'll try to have the important parts for you. All right as always thank you for listening. Everyone see tomorrow. Keep the faith and vaccinated by i. It's time for new sandler's what's news from nicole sandler dot com and the progressive voices network president. Joe biden will mark the eve of his one hundredth day in office with his first address before a joint session of congress nine pm eastern wednesday night for the first time ever to women will sit behind the president who will also for the first time. Say the words madam vice president as he begins his speech. The president will introduce the american families. Plan that's a one point eight trillion dollar bundle of proposals that includes four more years of free education universal preschool for three and four year olds and two years of free community college. It would also provide additional assistance to low income students by increasing pell grants and also provide direct support children and families and extend the tax cuts under the american rescue plan that benefit lower and middle income workers and families. There's a lot more for instance. The american families plan will also extend the expanded health insurance tax credits. Those credits are providing premium relief. That's lowering health insurance costs by an average of fifty dollars per person per month for nine million people. It'll also enable four million more uninsured people to gain coverage the plan would also create a national comprehensive paid family and medical leave program and will ensure workers get three days of bereavement leave per year. Starting in year one it will also reform our broken unemployment insurance system it would extend the child tax credit increase in the american rescue plan through twenty twenty-five and make the child tax credit permanently fully refundable. It is ambitious. It would be paid for by increasing the top tax rate and capital gains tax and by cracking down on irs enforcement of tax evaders. Of course president biden will touted the great progress made in the last one hundred days in the fight against covid and four vaccinations as well as the aarp and. Oh yeah jackson. The male only two hundred invited guests will be in attendance due to covid restrictions. Republican senator tim. Scott of south carolina will deliver the republican response and jamaal bowman. The freshman congressman from new york will deliver a progressive responses well democratic congresswoman ilhan omar is reintroducing three policing bills. She hopes will end up. In the bipartisan packaged. Lawmakers have been fine tuning for weeks as pressure mounts to pass meaningful police reform legislation. The most significant of these bills would establish an independent federal agency to investigate deaths in police custody officer involved shootings and usa force that results in severe bodily injury. Meanwhile incidence of non lethal use of force are getting more attention like in a federal civil lawsuit filed against four officers north carolina alleging that they grabbed a black woman by her hair and pulled her out of her. Suv during a traffic stop in new jersey. Two officers are facing civil. Rights charges for allegedly assaulting an arab teenager and then lying about that on a police report and on and on it goes on tuesday. The fbi confirmed that it was launching a civil rights investigation into the killing of andrew brown. Junior forty two year old black man killed by sheriff's deputies in pascua tank county north carolina. His family's attorney said that a private autopsy showed that a deputy fired a quote. Kill shot to the back of the head as brown sat in his car outside his home in elizabeth city. Shortly after deputies arrived to serve search and arrest warrants connected to felony drug charges attorneys and local officials also called for the release of more bodycam video after the family was allowed to see just a twenty second clip on monday and a keeps happening. This time police. In alameda california. Released footage of the events leading to the death of mario gonzalez. He's a twenty six year old latino man who died after officers knelt on his back and shoulder until he became unresponsive. The video contradicts officials original account of the confrontation. Three officers involved have been placed on administrative leave. President biden is nominated the sheriff of harris county texas and outspoken critic of the trump administration's immigration policies to be director of ice immigration and customs enforcement. Ed gonzalez was a houston police officer for nearly twenty years. He's been the sheriff of one of the nation's most populous and most diverse counties since twenty. Sixteen he publicly criticized. Trump's policies during the former guys term for focusing on who did not pose public safety threats. Ice has not had a director confirmed by the senate since twenty. Seventeen all right. Here's what those of us who are vaccinated have been waiting for the cdc on tuesday revised its guidance on coronavirus precautions saying that those who've been fully vaccinated can safely go without masks when walking jogging or cycling outdoors or win dining with friends and family had outdoor restaurants. The new recommendations apply starting two weeks after people received their final dose of an approved corona virus vaccine. The change came after rising pressure on public health authorities to relax mask mandates for people who are outside where social distancing easier and breezes quickly disperse airborne venus particles more than fifty two percent of eligible people have received at least one dose the. Cdc has released new outdoor mask guidance saying fully vaccinated people can forgo face coverings at small outdoor gatherings or when dining outside with friends from multiple households unvaccinated. People according to the cdc should still wear masks for such events and even fully vaccinated people should take similar precautions. In larger denser outdoor settings president biden touted the new guidelines as a reason all americans should get vaccinated another day. Another mass shooting one woman was killed and a three month. Old baby was left in serious condition after an unidentified gunmen opened fire on a group of children in richmond virginia on tuesday evening. According to the police chief the shooter fire on the group outside an apartment complex before someone else returned. Fire and the gunmen fled. The victims are believed to include the baby and two adult women. One of whom has died. The shooter is still on the run. Police are appealing for information. And i wonder what the president will say about guns in tonight's speech while the popularity of the united states has improved significantly among several us allies since president biden entered the white house. This according to a morning consult survey released tuesday. The most dramatic swing took place in germany on january twentieth. Only twenty four percent of germans view the us favorably two months later. That number increased to forty six percent australia. Canada france italy japan spain and the uk all saw double digit jumps as well while mexico registered an eight percent increase among the fourteen nations surveyed. Only china reported a notable downward trend. Though it's possible that would have happened. Regardless considering these state of affairs between washington and beijing biden has made a point of telling other countries. America is back and that's just a bit of what's news for now. I'm nicole sandler if you're appreciate these reports and the nicole sandler show. I hope you'll consider making a contribution. My work is one hundred percent listener supported. I can't do it without your help. Find out more nicole. Sandler dot com. Please click on that donate button.

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"Oh the following program contains graphic material including offensive language discretion advised the Nicole Sandler Joe Thorny daily and that could be very reason why. Youtube is upset. Hey Do the music venue here beneath my boys is from broadcast. Sound Library that I paid for an Hamlin receipts so that your copy right violation right here and now. Here's Nicole Friday. Oh so happy it's Friday Welcome to it. I'm Nicole Sandler coming to live at Nicole Sandler Dot com and on Youtube and on facebook live. I believe in I think. Even on periscope Hopefully some of the GREMLINS are gone. The gremlins that have been Messing with us all week. There's still some issues. I think I think this new mixing board that I got has a short in it somewhere. I you know I just. I think I did something in a previous life where I pissed off the tech gods or something and so in this life. They're out to get me the only thing I can think of because yeah jus- just things are not not not good not as they should be. Anyway we're here we're on live. I see that I'm checking in high facebook. Let's let's look at Youtube. Youtube looks to be okay The old Nicole Sandler show chat room Looks Alright so it's Friday? And it's Monday Memorial Day and a lot of people are understandably taking time off. But here's my thought it's not like go to the beach. It's not like I can go out shopping or to a barbecue with a bunch of friends or anything. I'M GONNA be here and as long as I'm going to be home. We may as well do a show right. Hey Kid let's punish. Oh so we're here today. Business as usual I heard Thom Hartmann was on a rerun and I know he's GonNa be off Monday. I know Brad. Friedman is unfortunately off today in Monday. tune in his staticky. I'm sorry this is. I think that has to do with the short from this mixing board. I don't know what the issue is. But listen to the audio on On Youtube it's the best I can tell you. I know you to be sounding okay. And I'm trying to get to the bottom of it with the manufacturer of the Board F. It's not one thing it's another. It's always something you know so anyway Brad asked me to fill in for them for he desi today but I want to get these technical issues figured out so yeah we will not. I will not be filling in for them today. But in addition to being here today I will I'm going to be here on Monday. You know I don't always do Monday shows but last Monday. We had so much fun. Doing a A music Monday program that we're going to do another one this coming Monday. Yes it's Memorial Day but since I guess we can all have sort of a virtual a virtual Memorial Day party and I'm going to be joined for the musical portion of it by Dan Navarro. Now you may not know his name but you should actually know at least one of his songs because Dan Navarro in Well he used to be teamed up with Eric Lowen and they wrote songs and recorded and toured under the name Lowen and Navarro and they wrote a song back in. God I want to stay the seventies or eighties called we belong. That was a huge hit for Pat. Benetton I happen to prefer the low in Navarro version. Better and now Well I'll request it from Dan on Monday. So we'll get the the Dan Navarro version. Unfortunately Eric Low and died from. Ls Some years ago so Dan has been doing the solo thing so he's going to join us on Monday. He's an old old dear friend of mine. Who's made amazing music for decades? And he's been doing What is it songs from the songs from the Corona Zone? I think he's calling it And doing it like six nights a week streaming live so you can find him on facebook. If you're so adventurous or just come on Monday and join us for a Special Memorial Day musical Monday. Show all right. I have no idea if this is gonna work or not yesterday. I wanted to play this video for you when I couldn't get it working and but. I think today I have it do I have it. You know what I can play it from here. We'll see if this works all right so Yesterday I threatened to play a a led Zeppelin parody song for you and again. I couldn't I couldn't get it working. 'cause the Gremlins were were messing with me. But today I think I think we've got it so Fingers crossed and let's see there's a band. The band is called the solution. And the solution did discover of a led Zeppelin tune while a parody of a led Zeppelin tune And Well let's let's listen to it and maybe laugh because that's the goal here right right all right. Take it away. The solution Shoot shown the band is called the solution and they do covers and boy. They rocked out so there. You have it rocking out and I see some people in the chat room or like well not really my kind of music. It's lots upland. That's rock and roll now. I do have another song that I found last night that I think I'm going to wait until Monday to play. And it's the other end of the spectrum from this one you know. Look some of us are old. I'm an old rock roller. So yeah that's my kind of music. Some of my kind of music. I like folk music too but yeah was great. Led Zeppelin cover. I do have another. Should I play it or should? I'm going to wait because there's something else I have to play for you that is just astounding so before this morning. Joe Biden did an interview with Charlemagne the God now Charlemagne. The God is a New York radio personality and they are mega popular. This show is usually at the top of the New York City ratings. And you know look I worked in New York City morning radio for a few years and thankfully my show was on the top of the ratings heap for awhile and you know look I get it. Charlemagne the God not my cup of tea. I'm obviously not in the demo. Was they say but you know? I became acquainted with his show during the presidential primary because it seemed like it was a a stop that every candidate mate and they had to bow to the defeat of Charlemagne. God spelled T. H. A. Now I know this is the old curmudgeonly white woman in me The Breakfast Club yes. That's the name of the program and I don't understand why this guy is. The arbiter of who black people should vote for then again getting into territory year. That probably shouldn't because I'm an old privileged white woman but something happened on the show. That really bothered me and for once. It wasn't anything that Charlemagne did because I've heard I heard his interviews with Kamala Harris With Elizabeth Warren. Those two are the ones that that come to mind. When I think of it and I was. I was offended by both of them by by Charlemagne's questions for both Camera Harris and Elizabeth Warren and I was I was livid that why is this guy who knows nothing? He's Kinda ignorant when it comes to politics. Why is he like the arbiter of WHO African Americans should vote for? But that said again. I'm not a fan not my thing. I'm not supposed to be a fan. I'm not in the demo. Six year old white woman and the show is is mostly for Young African Americans or people who like hip hop and rap. And that's certainly not me as you can tell from my musical choices but anyway what happened today is Joe Biden proved that he just is clueless. I mean clueless. Joe Is the perfect nickname for him. And I don't need the hate mail. Joe Biden Donald Trump. No question I will vote for Joe Biden to vote against Donald Trump. I would and I'll say it again. I will vote for my dog Jackson over. Donald Trump. Anybody would be better but really Joe Biden's so they get through the whole interview. The interview only runs a little over. I listened to the whole thing at the sixteen minute mark when when Biden's person already told him. No you need to. We need to go. We need to You Know Jill has an interview coming up. We need the studio space in their basement. When when this happened let me just play it rather than paraphrase what happened so we're sixteen minutes and seventeen seconds into an eighteen minute and nineteen second interview and this is what happened. I would ask you but you running me I don't know if you saw. Wah sorted data that news report. Growth that Ambi Club which was being vetted in a lot of people on Social Media. They are not too happy about that and It's because they want your running mate to be a black woman. I don't know if you saw OP ED in the Washington Post. By some of the leading black women voices in this country and they feel Viper minutes. Such loyal vote in black and black people save geopolitical life in the primaries this year. They have things they want from you. And one of them is a black woman running mate. What what are you stayed in what I say to them is that I'm not acknowledging anybody who is being considered but I guarantee there are multiple black women being considered okay multiple okay. We don't get much. That's really our time. I Apologize Violence. A white median blocked me because my wife has to go on at six o'clock. Okay okay. I'm in trouble. Listen you gotta come see us when you come to New York. Bp Biden will. It's a long way until November. We got more questions. You got more questions that talent if you have a problem figuring out whether you're mayor trump and you ain't black trump. It has to do with the fact I watch something for my community. I would love to see my record man. I extended the Rex twenty-five okay. I got a posit. Their first of all that wasn't even a question and Joe Biden. Just comes out of nowhere with if you can't figure out between me and trump then you're not black now charlemagne the God just jumped on the. This has nothing to do with trump issue without dealing with the meter that Joe Biden just laid on him. Let's did I. I don't know if I backed it up far enough. Let's try this here. We go knowledge. Anybody consider but I guarantee you. There are multiple black women being console. K Now yes. We don't get much. That's really our time I apologize. You can't do that to black media okay first of all. You can't do that to Black Media. I you know sorry. Why are you sit black media or white media it's media and if they were given a time slot and saying you have him for fifteen minutes from six to six fifteen? That's one thing and the time was up. You don't wait till the very end to ask about his running mate he should have done that earlier. That aside though I see I have a problem with this black white thing. Don't we all but my problem is the demand and Charlemagne said it in this interview? We want a black woman to be the vice president so there hasn't been a woman in the executive branch in in either president or the white president's office or white president the vice president's office. Wow but we did have a black man as president for eight years. So that's good. How about we just go for a woman. I don't care if she's black white purple or green. How about a woman on the ticket? She's gotTa be black. See I I hate identity politics even saying we've got to have a woman but it's time So but anyway. So they're going through this. And then Joe Biden out of the blue out of nowhere comes out with this bit of brilliance to white median. Block me because my wife has to go on at six o'clock coming okay. Oh I'm in trouble. Listen you gotta come see us when you come to New York. Be Biden's there's a long way until November. We got more questions. You've got more questions about telling if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for mayor trump and you ain't black it don't have nothing to do with trump and if you have a problem figuring out between me or trump then you ain't black. What kind of Shit is that? We're does that come from what an idiot attic totally stupid thing for anyone to say let alone a man who's running for president who he goes on to talk about all the great things he's done for black people here at to do with the fact. I want something for my community. I would love to see my record man twenty. You didn't extend the voting rights. Act This any did. You can't take credit for that. I've years I have a record. That is second. The non endorsed me every time. I've run the were. I mean. Come on back. Take a look at the record. Come on thank you so much really thanks. We'll come back and that's the eight again cutting off the interview so I wanNA know. What do you think about this again? I'm a white woman. Maybe it's not my place to even comment on it. I'm I'm I'm offended. I'm offended on all fronts. I'm offended by the people who say it's got to be a black woman and I'm offended by Joe Biden saying if you can't figure out between me or Donald Trump then you're not black. What the Hell is he talking about? It's all just so wrong. Every bit of it is wrong so that happened and for once you know I am not going after trump but I I should because Oh my God. His idiocy was on full display. Shall we get to the news? We have? We have a guest coming up today by the way governor. Don siegelman will be here now. He was on with US last month and we had a great conversation. And you know I'm I am so in awe of that man who was targeted by the the the Bush administration by Karl Rove and his head and Bush's henchmen and he was prosecuted on trumped up bribery charges. He didn't bribe anyone And prosecuted and spent a few years in a federal prison. He was a political prisoner. He was the only Progressive Democrat governor that that Alabama ever had and he's and he was persecuted by the trump administration and was our most notable political prisoner. The thing I don't understand about Don siegelman situation is why Barack Obama never pardoned him. And that's a question we'll get into. I'm in the middle of his book. Now so don. Siegelman has been writing. This book called stealing our democracy and it's his story and Oh my God I'm just in. I'm up through the early years of his career and being a progressive in Alabama who is a Catholic with the name siegelman which is a very Jewish sounding name obviously had an interesting upbringing and he worked his way through politics. He held every office in the Alabama state executive branch and and worked his way up to be governor a Progressive Democrat governor of Alabama and When he was running for reelection basically Karl Rove came after him and the rest is history. And it's all in this book which is available now for preorder. It comes out June seventeenth. I believe he'll be on that week when we'll go in depth into the story and so we're waiting until the book is ready to be released to have him on for the for the longer show But he but He's GonNa come on today because well because He sent me a note and he's like you know. I run a lot run in and run a lot of elections and I know how to win and I know how the Democrats can win so I said well then come on back on and let's do let's let's do a a segment on that. So Don Siegelman of course. Because I'm reading the book. I have some questions about his story. But we're going to save the bulk of that for next month when the book is coming out today. We're GonNa talk about what he thinks. The Democrats need to do to win and we all know. We are in the midst of a just a a insane election season. We're in the midst of just the most insane year that any of us ever lived through so yeah so don. Siegelman is coming up in about. Oh about fifteen minutes. So let's get to some news shall we before it's time to get to Don Siegelman? Okay Bill Go Away Riding. Thank you bill. Thank God he does this to me every time. All right so bill is gone breaking news since I've recorded what's news this morning. A study of ninety six thousand hospitalized corona virus patients on six continents found those who received hydroxy chloroquine had a significantly higher risk of death as compared to those who did not the paper obtained early by the Washington Post and publish just this morning. In The Lancet Medical Journal founded people treated with hydroxy chloroquine or the closely related drug chloroquine. Were also more likely to develop a type of irregular heart rhythm or Arrhythmia that can lead to sudden cardiac death. Keep taking those pills Donald. Just keep taking them. Go against your own. Fda Go against your own Centers for disease control go your own medical experts and say what what we going to lose your life and we'd all win so keep taking those drugs. I know your two week. Regimen is up tomorrow allegedly keep taking them Donald. It'll make you feel better. God that aside there is some good news today. From the Centers for Disease Control. They revised their guidance on how the viruses spread clarifying that quote. The virus spreads easily between people and they stress. That it's the droplets as I'm speaking. Obviously I'm spewing stuff out of my mouth now. It's their small droplets so they're not really visible but I've seen some of the infrared photography and the things that come out of our mouths even when we're just talking is kind of gross And that's why they're saying you need to be six feet apart so it spreads very easily between people. That's why they're saying everyone should wear a mask by the way. My Mask doesn't protect me from your particles what my mask does. Is it protects you from my particles so when you don't wear a mask when you don't wear a Basque you're being really really selfish really selfish all right. I don't know who's this is calling. Hi Who's this woman of knelt up on the show and the Netflix? It's Nicole and I'll I'll call you. I will call you on skype and so you can just pick it up when I call you're going to it will show up on my computer. Uh-huh okay all right. Well I'll talk to you about in about five minutes. Okay bye so sweet. All right so yeah. We'll call Don Siegelman back in a few minutes anyway. So what are we saying the CDC is now saying that touching contaminated objects or surfaces does not appear to be a significant mode of transmission. The same is true for exposure to infected animals. One step up two steps back then. The other thing that trump just said today is that he is opening the churches. I hear a sorry I I know I to assault your ears by bringing up. You know audio of his voice. But it's so bear with me. He came out today. There was allegedly a briefing. And he's he made one short statement. I won't even play the whole thing for you but to give you the gist of it. Here's what he said today. I'm identifying houses of Worship Churches Synagogue Mosques word of mouth as essential places that provide essential services some governors have deemed liquor stores and abortion clinics is essential but left out churches and other houses of worship snout right so. I'm correcting this injustice. And calling houses of worship essential all right asshole and he he he basically said and. I'm calling on all the governors to open those houses of worship because they're essential services and if they don't do it. I'll override the governor's he can't this man has no clue of what his powers are. He can't so he said this. He talked for about two minutes. Then somebody One of the reporters as he was leaving shouted out. Are you going to church? And of course. He didn't answer that because he doesn't go to church. He goes to church as often as I go to temple. Which is never so he did that. Because hey you know. Cases are exploding all over the country especially now that they're starting to loosen the stay at home regulations and more and more people are going to get sick and you know what Donald Trump said if a second wave hits. This is what he said. People say that's very distinct possibility standard and we'll to put out the fires. We're not going to close the country put out the fires would be whether it's ember or aflame would have put it out but we're not closing our but we're not closing our country so scientists tell us that historically in a pandemic like this all we need to do is look back a hundred years to the Spanish flu of nineteen eighteen or is trump calls it nineteen seventeen. Nc The second wave was much deadlier than the original one but trump's we're not doing you see because Donald Trump thinks that the economy is more important than your life. Just in case you're wondering the economy as more important than your life What else let me see if there's anything else? I need to Yes second-wave won't shut down Real quickly other stuff Georgia authorities yesterday arrested the guy who shot the video of those the father and son killing Ahmad Barberie. Did you see this and I said it? I said it weeks ago. Why did this guy shoot the video? Why was he following them? There's something not right there so this guy. His name is William Brian. He was charged with felony murder and criminal attempt to commit false imprisonment. Good so that happened and if you're wondering about the polymerization of our government the Senate. Yesterday narrowly confirmed Congressman John Ratcliffe of Texas as the new Director National Intelligence. The vote was forty nine. Forty four fell along party lines but this was like the biggest do over ever because ratcliffe withdrew. He had been nominated before by trump for four director of national intelligence but he came up against bipartisan. Opposition because of his lack of counterterrorism experience has exaggerated immigration enforcement record and his blatant support for right wing conspiracy theories but donald trump wanted him and he lobbied the Republicans in the Senate to do his bidding and they did so in his second run at the job every single republican united behind his nomination. This should make you very afraid. He's the new director of National Intelligence. We are so screwed. We are so screwed And and real quickly before we get Don Siegelman on the line. Let's let's see Hopefully this will work. I'm going to try to get him up here now while I tell you things are really bad in Hong Kong as the former British colony. You know we're pro. Democracy protests erupted last year Well China's said yesterday it was preparing to impose a new national security law. It's expected to ban sedition succession and subversion of the Central Government in Beijing and will be introduced in a way that effectively bypasses Hong Kong's legislature For some reason that's not connecting. All right I'M GONNA try. I'm going to try it from this computer Yes we're trying to get DON siegelman. Oh I can't do it from that computer because I don't have a camera on that one. I'M GONNA try him one more time and see if this works we're we're trying again So in the meantime yeah the critics say that this is essentially the end of the One Country Two Systems concept that has kept Hong Kong politically autonomous from mainland China. This is horrible and this is all playing out as you know. Under a against a backdrop of international tensions brought on by the coronavirus crisis including recent promises from Donald Trump to punish China China for its role in the pandemic. So yeah okay. So this is weird. It's not connecting for some reason. No answer In a moment I'm just GonNa call him on the phone so anyway. So that all happened. It's just you know we're we're living opposite world and it's just screwed up all right. Let me try Don Siegelman one more time this way. And if this doesn't work I'm just going to I'm just GONNA call him on the telephone on the regular phone. Okay that's weird. I don't know what happened there. All right we're just GONNA do an audio call with Don Siegelman. Because you know we're losing valuable time here so let's see. Let's see if this works. I don't know if it will or not. This one's not my fault for one. I'm I'm doing okay but let me tell you a little bit about Don Siegelman while we wait for him to pick up and hopefully he will join US shortly. Don Siegelman was the governor of Alabama progressive. What I think I'm just GONNA have to call his regular phone number. This is just this is not right. Let me try. We'll do it this way. Fourth time is the charm as they say all right. Hopefully this'll work So Don Siegelman was high. Tried skyping you. But it didn't work so we could just do it over the phone okay. So we're live on the air and I was just explaining to the listeners. You're on with me last month. We talked a little bit about the book that you have coming out next month and we are going to reconvene next month on on the eve of the book. Release date to really go into your story. But I'm reading the Book and Oh my God I mean so much that I didn't even know about you and I can't wait to go in depth with you and to your story because what happened to. You is a travesty But the reason we're talking today is you said to me. After we spoke last time you know I know how the Democrats can win because you have run in a number of elections in your lifetime. Haven't you I have I hope you can hear me. I hear you loud. Terrible terrible thunderstorm. I hear you loud and clear. No worries okay. Good because it's a little fuzzy Mayan but Yes I think. I was on the ballot. Seventeen Times in Alabama and I want you listeners to keep this I was elected to the national board of Americans for Democratic Action. In nineteen seventy one as a law student along with Barney. Frank and Tennis Gallison Noted LEFT-WINGERS I was. I was active in the Anti War. Movement I board Mississippi for the first african-american new brand for for governor met. Your ever says brother calls every of anyway Worked OUR LOWEST SAYING CONGRESSMAN FROM NEW YORK? Worked IN THE DUMP Johnson Movement. Virtually Robert Kennedy the Got A campaign contribution from my friend Jane Fonda when I was running for attorney general but anyway the long the longest short of it is I should. I should never really been elected. Anything in Alabama considering Alabama's you know probably one of the most far rights sates but my point. Is that if you connect with voters. They will overlook some things right and in my in my case. They overlooked a lot of things because I was speaking to their interests. And my my admonition than word to those Joe Biden and any Democrat. Who's running for office in? Twenty twenty is forget about Donald Trump. Yup Everybody Donald. Everybody knows that what he's doing. Everybody knows he is stacking the government and just recently the National Security Chief is GonNa be wanted his clones. But you know every every. He's you know firing all of the Inspector General's he's he's taking total control. Everybody knows what he's doing So what we need to speak to the interest of working families working families do not go to bed at night. Worrying about trump. They're worried about Nicola worried about their children and their parents are worrying about paying their bills. They want their kids to have a better life than they've had so they know that starts with education. That's why we need. Our President are nominated to start speaking about Universal Early Learning Opportunities Free College Education. Retiring the student debt he needs to. Do you know to to talk what is important to the children of of of working families. He also these two to talk about their parents and grandparents. Working families want their parents to have a decent place to live food on the table. And not worry about the cost prescription drugs. You know we. We live in the richest country in the world. No one no one should go to bed hungry homeless or without healthcare not the not the mentally disabled or physically disabled challenge and not those people behind bars. So how do you know we as Democrats we also want? We want our kids to have the opportunity to have more and better jobs are minimum wage. We want a new uses for renewable energy to to begin to to to combat the climate crisis that we're facing And the president person running for President or person running for the State House needs to talk about these issues rang. I think you know you. You've talked on your program and and and other friends of mine like Thom Hartmann up north of you spoken about. Yeah we need. We need a president whom we can respect. Who's civil who has coo- respects the rights of women and understand history and and understands the importance of a free press to our democracy right and even even Republican women in suburbs throughout this country. Don't want their kids to listen to to a president who uses foul language to abuses women who doesn't respect women and so we have that common ground. So let's let's let's begin to to speak to that and I think most people most working families also want a president and more people in public office who are for equal rights Who Want Social Justice? Racial Justice Environmental Justice and in many cases want criminal justice reform. Right there yes or go ahead. I'm no I was going to ask you. I mean I'm hearing all the things you're saying and I agree one hundred percent this year. We face you know unique challenges because it's hard to get out there and campaign. Nobody can right now and so. Joe Biden is relegated to his basement when he's not very good at these televised. Or you know zoomed interviews. And in fact. I don't know if you heard what happened this morning with a New York radio personality. Charlemagne the God. Did you hear about this? No I have not well. Joe Biden was the guest. Charlemagne the God is the host of this radio. Show the club that is. It's one of the top rated shows in New York. It's a you know. And he made that the destination for every primary presidential candidate all the Democrats to come on and be vetted by Charlemagne the God I thought some of these questions of some of the the people were horrible as the primary season went on but putting that aside this morning he's talking to Joe Biden and they do like a eighteen minute interview and at the very end. I want to play for you. What Joe Biden said? Hopefully you'll be able to hear it through the the phone line because I found it astounding and I just don't understand where we're Biden's coming from so tell me if you can hear this. No you're not going to be able to hear it because you're on the same thing. Basically what he said is if you have to decide if you if you can't figure out between me and Donald Trump who you're voting for then you're not really black. He said this to a black. Yes Oh my dog yeah. Listen there's there's there's there's no there's no point in in in in in doing things like that again you don't win friends and you don't you. Don't build bridges to independence and and suburban Republican women. Which is what honestly. I think he is going to to win this rice. Yeah and you can't do that if you just if you remember the story about the tar baby you know and people always have the tendency to hit the target you get stuck in this morass of politics when that's not what that's not what working people are thinking about hurting. They weren't released. They want somebody who's going to speak to their interests in somebody. They can depend on to fight for them in in in Congress in Washington and and you know Biden has the capability of doing that if he would just remind people of of where you came from and what he has been able to accomplish while he was in the Senate and also as vice president and working you know it might not be a bad idea for him to to to start trying to have meetings with some of the you know Republican he might be able to sway these issues that impact the lives of of working families now right but you know it. It is frustrating to me as well to watch because I you know. I hoped that he would use this time. This last few months through really relate to working families through both virtual You know town halls rallies of but but also maybe even you know travel could of hit the fifty states and in the last two months without any problems. He's still made his phone calls to go. I mean right now. It's not it's not like people are Going out to events I mean if he could have gone to any state in the last month and nobody would always see him. I was I was thinking he could he could he could do that. And and just if nothing else you know have a news conference. In in the hangar with the media separated drank anything anything to get him on the air talking about the problems that says working families in America. And it's real simple and you just you gotta do it and it takes a lot of hard work a lot of hand shaking and and endless speechmaking but you know You talk about the wrong subject. He's so good. It opening his mouth and inserting his foot and there was it was the very end of the interview. If there were uncomfortable moments as there usually are with Joe Biden. I'm sorry he's not the most eloquent speaker but then again neither is his opponent. I'm and but he was. He had made it through it and then at the very end he says something so reprehensibly stupid then I just don't I just don't understand what he's thinking. It drives me nuts because right now everything is at stake here Don. We're you know this I mean and this is you. Were pinning our hopes on so. I'm pinning my hopes on his vice presidential pick. I had somebody emailed me the other day. Who said so. I figured it out. There's no way in hell that I can vote for Joe Biden but I will vote for whoever the vice presidential pick is right and so that that can make you feel good about feeling that bubble on the on the on the ballot but that depends who it is so we heard yesterday. He Klobuchar a floated. That she's being vetted You know that came from her camp we hear. We hear Kamla Harasses Stacey. Abrams is openly lobbying for the job. This is weird because in past years. It's always been you know everyone denying that there in the running or that they want it now. They're all lobbying for what? Who Do you think he should pick for the vice president and we think as Charlemagne the God said something? That bothered me that it has to be a black woman. I want I don't think it has to be an African American woman and an a you know. Joe Has committed himself to a woman yet. So that's that's a good thing I think They nice to have a a strong woman. but what the American people are going to be looking for In his choice is someone who can step in to be the leader of the most powerful country in the world or what could be again. Yeah so what but a wrong. Pick of somebody like the Dan. Quayle or someone who is obviously not qualified to shoes of being commander and cheese or You know then then worked to his disadvantage. Yes he's got he's got he needs. He needs some help inventing You know the right candidate I I don't I don't I. I don't know who it should be. I've got my own thoughts If I were in that situation I think I know what I would do. But and You know he's got to. He's got to you know Choose Carefully Fleet Bosley Yup also also got to be somebody that can speak to the issues that I just spoke of and of course Elizabeth. Warren was a great spokeswoman for at least from my point of view and so anyway yeah I would I would you know. He's got to make the right choice. And it's gotta be somebody who is qualified to be president and but it's also got to be somebody that's going to be tough enough to take on tax reform and creating test all entered deal with to deal with the aftermath of the biggest not only financial crisis of our lifetimes but the biggest health crisis of our lifetimes. We need somebody. Who's really good and you know. I'm seeing in the chat room. Somebody trip who I really respect said. It has to be val demings or Comma Harris well because trip thinks it needs to be an African American woman. I don't Comma Harris. I'm sorry I don't think is should be president for a number of reasons. Not Having to do with her experience Val Jennings is not experienced enough. She's not ready to be president and with Joe Biden's advanced age. I'm sorry that is that has got to be ration- because I have a feeling whoever the running mate is is GonNa wind up being president. Just me it's just a feeling I have but those are things we need to think of and Val demings may be perfectly nice woman a decent congresswoman if you like her former cop but it doesn't mean she's ready to be president. Same Thing Stacey. Abrams Very Smart. But the highest office she's ever held. Is I think state legislator I think she was head of the Georgia Assembly but again. That doesn't make you ready to be president. Look what happened? The last time we elected somebody who was not ready to be president. We're in the mess. We're in now so you know. I Like Elizabeth. Warren and I hate the fact that you know people that I like and respect are saying. Oh No it's got to be a woman of color. Well really well. No let me let me say this. John Lewis endorsed my book I have I have worked. I had this I had this Bishop actually I think he's out there now in California. It's a t t t Larry Kirkland of Alien Meson Church and I was in with him. That meeting of all of this His pictures from around the southeast and and he he was looking at me and the audience in the pointed me out and he said you see this man you see how he moves to the songs and he. He has beaten a rather be said. I think he's got some black blood in Him and he said I think Johnson was going to be the closest thing we ever get to two black Governor in the state of Alabama. You don't not point is you. Don't have to be to the black to understand the problems and worked with people you know one of the reasons why I wrote. This book is to protect the people who are most vulnerable. I was in prison with African American young men who had no business being there. They were ripped away from their children and their family for piddly amounts of marijuana or cocaine sense. And we've got to protect those folks and you can speak to the issues that impact the lives of black and white Americans and win them over. But you know you don't have to have a the color of your skin is not something that that matters. Would you really reached down and speak to people and touch their hearts? So No it's about your director. It's about what you believe. In Don Siegelman I gotTa tell you again. The book stealing our democracy will be out in June sixteenth or seventeenth. is the date And Sixteenth and you'll be back on with me actually on the fifteenth on the eve of its the publication where. We're really going to go in depth but I gotta tell you one of the one of first stories in the book that grabbed me was as a young man you grew up in Alabama. I loved your name is Siegelman and people thought you were Jewish because it is kind of a Jewish name and you're not. That's something that you had to deal with an Alabama grandfather like but then you tell the story of when you are a schoolboy and you came home one day and you used what we now refer to as the N. Word and your father gave you a lesson. Can you tell that story because it just it it this is? This is what it's about not the color of your skin but you know sorry to steal a line from Dr King but your character. Yeah well so I used the word around my mother and my mother told my done by the time I got home from school. My Dad was there in which was highly unusual because he was a workaholic and I picked up his straits but so you know Murli and he said yes on he said. I heard you use a bad word. Today didn't Kinda no. I guess I knew what he was talking about this year. This and he was like nineteen fifty. Something Yeah Early Fifties Fifties six White Oak Brown versus board of Education. By when we started you know having to Move around to accommodate You know well. They were still trying to segregate schools. Anyway so I use the N Word Dead said I want you to go get the dictionary so went into our little bedroom and and we didn't have much of a selection of books but one Zane grey or a novel and and a group of Encyclopedia's my mother had bought from S S and h green stash nursery. So I got. I brought the dictionary and put it on the kitchen table. He said now wants you to find that word. Not You know fumbled around and looked and I said that I can't find any so let me give you a hint. It's not in their try. This Word Negro. And so he didn't say that knows starts he just politely suspended and I looked it up. And he's now read me the definition that I did and he said that's the only word we're going to use I wonder if you're you said other word again. And then he he asked me as if I wanted to work with One of his piano deliveryman life is the only guy believe it and that Saturday and he was. He wanted to be acid. Sure and so I was. The gentleman came by African American. Strong young man. Pick pick me up at the door and the truck with a piano in the back and we went out to A. I went out to watch him deliver This piano singlehandedly up there was an upright piano upper some steps and anyway it was the lesson. My Dad was trying to teach me You know it was something that you know. Stay with may could rush my life As it and what? What a story. And that taught you a lesson and and you've as as a progressive white democratic governor in Alabama and. This was back a while You you you cared about the civil rights you cared about the rights of all people you you. You worked for some of the stories you tell in. The book are incredible and we'll save them for next time when you come on but this is I think so much more important than the color of WHO's ever scan. It's who the person is many ways. John Yeah I I. I had a great ton throughout my career. As Secretary of state expanding voting rights and and tearing down the barriers that prevented African Americans from voting and as attorney general settled one lawsuit That forced all the cities and counties to re district on the basis of one person. One vote which led to the election of literally thousands of African Americans in Alabama more elected black officials than any other state in the country. And you know I was able to to to make those kinds of changes and fight for Equal opportunities for education and one of the things that I think that attracted John. Lewis was the fact that Tonight cause was fact that I I've I believe in believed that every child in this country regardless of where they're boerner to him regardless of the color of their skin the economic status whether they're immigrants are our citizens every child should have the hope and dream of being able to Reach their God given potential through education. And that's why it comes back to providing universal pre K for every at the prom. Did he stay in school and stay out of trouble and make your grades? You can go on and get a higher education degree. You don't have to be a Rhode scholar but if you want you want to gain jobs seizing job skills three. Will you know we can pay for that? Of course it's GONNA take tax reform and Biden as Elizabeth Warren Young Need to talk about closing the gap when you have one percent but fifty percent of the wealth of one. I'm sorry one. Three families. Fifty percent of the wealth of one percent ninety two percent Large corporations and billionaires not paying any taxes when the working people are actually subsidizing. The rich. You know we've been taught in and this is the you know the image that some Republicans want to pay. Is that working families for taking care of the poor working families for taking care of people on Welfare or people who are jobless well it is the working families who are taking care of the rich Yup. And we've got we got to close those those loopholes. I took that on as governor to to to to make enough money to fulfil the commitment to education in Alabama close who had actually been Arthur Andersen wet when of the tank are hard. They've lost their are super auditors. To go after the corporations that they work they that was that they were You know cooking the books on so they wouldn't have to pay taxes. We're doing business. In Alabama we close corporate loopholes and broadened enough money to fund education. But you know what I wanNA hear. Out of our candidates the president on down to the state legislature is to get away from talking about how much we don't like Donald Trump and talk about what we're going to do for working families and I think if we do that we can. We can win a bunch of elections in twenty twenty. Well I hope I hope the Democratic Party will listen to you don siegelman again. The book stealing our democracy is out on June sixteenth. We will talk about it in depth on the fifteenth the day before Don Siegel do pre order the book. I'll put a link on the blog at Nicole Sandler DOT com. Where you can do that. Don Siegelman it's always great to talk with you. Thank you and reach out to some of the Democratic Party elders and make them listen to you a I will. I will make sure we don't have a thunderstorm. Love you and appreciate you. Thank you so much. Thank you don weekend and and I'll talk to you next month okay. Bye-bye the the wonderful Don Siegelman. He really he really is one of the really good guys. All right and the book is just great. All right. We're done. We're late so Monday. Be here Monday Memorial Day music Monday. We're going to have fun okay. All I'll see you then. Thanks for listening. Everyone stay safe.

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Why Adversity is Critical for Success | Interview on Opportunity Makers

The GaryVee Audio Experience

23:13 min | 8 months ago

Why Adversity is Critical for Success | Interview on Opportunity Makers

"This is gary v audio experience. Welcome everyone. I'm really excited to have the one in here with me today. Talking about something that. I don't think he talks about as often as he does about marketing. Which is is coming to america. Story is families coming to america story in what that's meant for him and his career and The way he looks at her and as well some really excited to welcome you gary And to hear his story today thanks for having me. I'm really really honored and loved working with you a notch and are different ventures and super exciting for this one because to your point at this point i- i- contextualized that quite a bit. I think a lot of people you know. I wasn't born in america. And all that stuff. But not in depth. As often as i. As i probably wish i would should or could and so. I'm glad to be your thanks for having me. Well let's start at the beginning. What's your coming to america story. So i was born in belarus. Simple broosk belarus saw on very snowy day and nineteen seventy five november fourteenth nineteen seventy five and And my dad had a my parents were very young by the way this will make sense a lot of immigrants. I was literally born one day after nine months and one day after my parents got married so it was very it was very old country. Like if you didn't have a baby leverage spirit right and so i you know. My parents were very young. There were twenty two and twenty when they had me and my family. My dad had a great uncle in america. My dad's grandmother's brother and he visited three or four years earlier and kind of planted in my dad's seat head because he saw my dad had a little entrepreneurial by like to be in america which you know you know. Soviet russia was impossible to even dream but there was a organization by the name of highest a jewish organization to had ties to israel america. That was created to help persecuted. Jews around the world get out of tough situations and russia. Unbeknownst to many people at that point but later as we look in history was the soviet union was in a very big pickle and their economy was collapsing from underneath them and being jewish in the soviet union's not the greatest thing You know jews are persecuted heavy in that part of europe at that point and still to underlining in some degree in so let's put it this way. The soviet union was in the mood at that point to trade some jews for some resources and i got very very very fortunate. You know. I hate to use the word luck because i know how hard my parents work hard i worked but many things in life are actually luck Or just very fortunate timing and then what do you do with them. And so it's not lost on me. How fortunate. I was to be in my age at that time where we were able to get out. So the highest path which i've met a lot of russians us through the years was a very cliche. Everyone went to austria. Austria got their game involved there. Italy italy take. I'm sure on this system. And then you kinda went to different places australia. Israel was originally the destination for many america. We had this great uncle. We were going to come to america. It was the whole family by the way it was just was me and my parents was also. Unfortunately both my parents had lost a parent at a very young age. So i didn't. I didn't have many grandparents at that point but my grandmother. My dad's mom was coming her parents my grandparents and then and then her brother and his family. So was this group of twelve thirteen. Ten of us. We were all coming to america. Actually i've never going to get the number down. Bumster shines To a were three sets five. My grandma's six my mom so there was so there was nine of us. And we're coming to america and we are all excited. 'cause you know it's exciting but then also we felt a little sense of comfort because of this great uncle who's also very wealthy and did really well and he dies when we're in italy who my god. Yes so the uncle. That's going to take care of us and gave us the courage to leave now passes and to the credit of that gentleman jack siegelman to his credit or to the credit of his children. Bob siegelman whose past as well since arleen newman who still alive his kids. My dad's cousins. Luckily for us were open to like these long lost relatives from russia. And we're very gracious to us. When we first came to america but it was a very tough situation we came to the us in the summer and winter because we were scattered a little bit. Some of us up seventy eight. The economy was on its way to crashing the carter years the gas crisis that like it was not the greatest era in america. My parents always tell the story of like paved with gold. It was paved garbage. We're like in the hood in queens and like it was talk transition so much so that there still a big debate between my mom and dad. If my dad actually said he wanted to go back like in the first year it was that tough we lived in a studio apartment with like six family members. My dad got a bunch of side jobs. I like poured hot my leg burnt myself heavy as a kid early on. I was in the hospital for like four days. They give me just and my parents genius decided to have another child. So here comes my sister. Liz like literally like she would like her nickname in the first couple of years in russia was the garbage baby because literally everything she had we found in the garbage so it was like real rugged stuff but my great uncle owned all these assets in real estate business. He had liquor store. My dad i started working in the real estate. You know a company building because he was a construction guy in russia to making minimum wage. Schlepping up job sites but then the just the economy collapsed. And so my dad got a job in in this great uncle now cousins liquor store in clark new jersey as a stock boy making a dollar eighty five an hour minimum wage. And that's how kind of that begin the process. That was the starting point. The seed of us kind of making it in america which you know led to a different chapter but that was that was coming to america story. And how old were you when you got to the us. I was three. How much those early years do you remember. Love this question. So i remember zero point zero of the soviet union straight australia. Italy and i. But i start remembering a stunning amount of first year in america. I sometimes wonder if it was such a big event that something kind of erased it or is it. Just you know cliche. Most people don't remember up to three and a half and then it starts kind of getting a little fuzzy so so i remembered nothing of the process. I remember fifty to a hundred vivid memories of the first year in america. So it's kind of why. I always find that interesting part of the story. Yeah no i agree i. I wonder in the in the first years. So as you started you know really hustling to survive How do you saying that. That impacting seeing your parents. Know through everything Making a little bit. I'll make it a little more three sixteen. I had a big piff in our family a couple years ago when i was there with my brother and sister talking to my parents like literally just a random dinner night call. The family was together. And it just dawned on me. Wait a minute mom because my mom super cheap which is amazing. My dad loves that because he. He's also very frugal with money. When you come from nothing. I get it but i am this weird thought of like. Wait a minute mom. We lived way below our actual means even we had some means like what like. Wait a minute we it was obviously joke for. We got screwed. We lived poor our whole lives and we actually were. But it's it's funny when you asked me that question. That story popped in my mind. It affected me in the most profound way. I mean we're all affected. Were all affected by early years at super well mapped and obviously immigrants have something more not tangible because listen there's plenty of americans or anybody who's like you know natural anybody who's of their place you know there could be a life event you know. My mom lost her mama five. How'd she never move out of russia. That was her punchline. Right like that's what affected. And so i think for a lot of times the immigration is that story but my parents spent money on nothing until i was literally until i started by my own clothes. Eighty five percent of my wardrobe was liquor store promotional items. I literally wore liquor teacher at least from the waist up. Every t shirts sweatshirt hoodie. Everything like like we never spent money on anything like off. By the time. I was ten years old. I had to buy every toy video game for myself because my mom told me to go figure it out and so a hundred percent product of that and work ethic to your point one of the great sadnesses of my professional career is that a lot of people try to put hustle porn as something that i'm a champion of like as the word work ethic or you know hustle as i used to call it now. I say work ethic because the word has transformed into a negative around mental health and burnt out and things of that nature but really. It's funny one of the words that one of the things that's been most difficult for me is being attached like believing in work ethic more than anything and i still do to this second. 'cause you just need to make it part of the equation but also the manifestation of how i used to communicate it becoming a negative makes me sad because there was no part of me that thinks burn out or mental health issues but i watched people that just wanted to make it happen like real work ethics. Partly it's crazy. My dad worked. I never saw my dad. My dad worked seven. Am to ten pm. Six days a week and then sunday's he worked as well and took two days off a year christmas day and new years where he slept all day because he was exhausted. And i still think my mom is the person i've seen work. The hardest in the world right like my dad's insane and my mom like three kids. No help we. She also created too much entitlement with us taught us nothing. She took care of everything worked. Put us the bad and then cook dinner every night for might like like just sheer work. They just came from that old country. And it's shaped me completely. Yeah i completely understand that being A i think of mental health says not something that immigrants are immune to in any way And i'm sure us drug alive struggled. I think we all struggle with some form of course boeing's diety depression etcetera but There's something about that generation that you talk about. They had no choice that it's almost like there was no not only no safety. There was just no choice. It was the survival decision and assets. it was the only decision so i in a real way right. I think i think you and i have listened. I wish it actually on no one or let me phrase one percent cut like. I don't think a lot of people actually realize how fortunate they are and i think i never blame anyone for it because i don't think anybody understands anything all the way until you live it you and so i you know. Parenting is to me the funniest one. Just the way all of us talk about our parents and then you become one and you're like okay. You know like you know like all these different things. I get it. I agree with you. One hundred percent when you have literally no choice literally and i the other thing. I think people struggle with his. I watch people complain about money while drinking six dollar starbucks coffee. And when you when you're raised the way i am where my literally my debt so you know. I'm my parents were so young when they had me. I remember my dad's thirtieth birthday and it was like this big to do all the russian uncles got drunk as hell and all that. And what i remember from that thirty more than anything because i was already and so i remember. Vividly is my parents. My mom and grandmother took our curtains or whatever was in our kitchen and convert it into a dress for my sister for a party for the like five weeks before just remember vividly like them taking it down now we have no curtains it was just the sunless coming in and my sister was then wearing a dress for my dad's thirtieth birthday made from that because there was no way we were even go to go to kmart and spent three ninety nine or six ninety nine on address for my sister from my dad's thirtieth big birthday. Even though it was like hyped for again so. I don't think you know people get it. This many family was part of this. Like the amount of engineers doctors like wildly educated capable. Individuals have came from eastern europe from central and south america from all over the world to america to clean toilets was extraordinarily high. And when people hear that they don't get it it's because they don't realize how much gratitude and how invigorating. The process of building was in a world where you were not able to do that when i tell you as i'm even saying these words the thought of how pure i think. I am as an entrepreneur. Meaning just leave. Loved the game like really. Just i mean i'll listen. I say this. And i mean it. I'll take the things that come along with being a successful entrepreneur aka the accolades. The financial boy. Like what i love is when my friends from high school in junior high. Come out of the woodworks. When i'm getting shit on by somebody like you know you don't do this. Dude literally didn't go to part like literally what garage sales a foreigner mortlake. I love the game so much. When i think that i was born in the place that most demonized it this game and i ended up in the place most put on a pedestal. I'm curious when you say you love the game. So tell me. Do you think how much that is. You know call a dna. How much of that is being being able to grow up here and being told that you can Bad as you know your dad and your mom and how much about being an immigrant do you think if you had been born into an american family. Do you think the same would have happened. the same. I think i was born into an american family. That was that frugal. And that stuck in a financial situation that i that i can taste and not read about and then then then it could happen and i think you know i do. I think that the one difference is. I think about somebody in a very low income situation in america. Who makes it. I do think that there is a incredible privilege to know that you're american. That is the one extra. Variable of i think chip's on shoulder i think adversity is genuinely foundational of success. And so you know what. What an american exact same version of me. Being american wouldn't have had to deal with is when i was in dover new jersey and i couldn't speak english and the kids figured it out and then they forced me to drink pissed out of a pepsi canned. Even though i knew that that's what they were doing. But i couldn't stop them. They probably would have made me one of them instead of picked on me. Because i would have spoken english right like so. I think there's a couple of those things that again. Add to the chips on the shoulder. But yes i think to your point. I am always fascinating. When i talked entrepreneurs that were the child to union workers or teachers. I'm always fascinated how they went the other way. I just only saw my dad. Eventually i want. I knew him and i knew it when he worked for a business but i mainly grew up in environment where he owned his own liquor store and at fourteen. I was dragged into help it. So you know. I don't know i'm like old school immigrant. Much more similar to the sick the fifties and four like. I'm a son of a merchant. I'm more like when. I watch documentaries of sh mountain brooklyn and fruit stand. I'm like that's me. Because we were in a cocoon like at fourteen and there was no discussion literally. My fourteenth like it was like sign language. Like you now know what that means right. I'm against like without a word being exchanged. yes. I know what that means mom and dad. I will be going to the store every weekend every summer vacation every school vacation and i will be contributing to this family thing Yep totally get it. I did the same. I started at thirteen selling fridges. And other but you know what would it gave you. And i need vantage of and it makes make it becomes so logical to what transpired with us is by the time we went into this part of our lives when i tell people is i'm forty four years old but i'm ninety. I truly thirty eight years of experience for real for real. Not even kinda kinda like. Because the way i was a kid. Fifty percent of my time was doing businesses in the summer. And i i was a little bit weird in fact that a lot of people really put education on a pedestal for us and so i was being poor. Student was a little bit of a 'nigma which led me to really spending more time on my craft. I think you know when you're selling fridges. Thirteen like your prepped. For what you do now you know and same for me. And so i get that so The reason i wanted to start the series honestly doesn't have that much to do with the business. It's because this is one of those topics that makes me very very passionate in some very angry I'm still on a visa. I've been here since i was eighteen and It's been interesting to see. How would the approach around imigrants is both officially and unofficially and we're calling the series opportunity makers were featuring imigrants of greeted a tremendous amount of opportunity. Obviously you've done that in in leaps and bounds by all the jobs you've created the people you've inspired. I'm curious as you as you look at A pool of candidates to hire do you guys have stands on on diversity as it refers immigration if not how do you think about it We we do we do. have it. Standardize around gender and race and the quota of like being very thoughtful of trying to create a used to be so anti-quota until i realized that subconscious bias was a wheel vulnerability to my heart for. And so we do of and you know this like no matter who the leader is of any organization. There are always going to subconsciously. Thus it becomes real lean towards their reality so as you can imagine the amount of immigrants that weren't great students that are running through vendors. Ecosystem is very high. This this one's been a little bit easier than other subject matters. I got pretty lucky. I grew up in a very diverse environment. Edison new jersey. Mom was my hero so as the world has become more thoughtful about being proper in its mix and things that nature. We always find ourselves in a pretty nice spot. But that was the luck of the circumstances. I grew up in So how do i think about it. I think that i belong away. By how many immigrants that were fortunate enough to get to this country. Don't want other immigrants to come into this country. That has been heartbreaking for me. I have been completely completely stunned by the hypocrisy at scale and by the way from russians to my best friends mexico like mexico russia's madore like it's asia middle east like. It's wow the human beings literally sitting around business tables over the last three four five years and saying not not the thing you hear and immigrants will understand yourself like well. I went through the right process. They should too. That's a different conversation. I'm talking actual no. I don't want them to come. And like i really like not even joking for. There's just something very actually. Here's where i'll go with it. I think this all goes to a very macro place of argue. Somebody who builds tall buildings you. Somebody who likes tearing down other people's buildings because you're incapable of building a tall building. So much of this is completely predicated on massive security at scale and actually believing the world isn't abundant and actually believing things are scarce the humans that actually believe that somebody is taking something away from them in any shape or form a job and opportunity things that nature getting caught up in this. And i'm just i'm fascinated by people's inability to understand that whether immigrant whether third generation male female black either people are creating or people are taking and people are very much misunderstanding. The metro scenarios. That are playing out around this issue early. Well thank you so much. Gary really appreciate your thoughts on this and sharing your story. Thank you for doing this. And and i really wish you success of this. And i can't wait to share all right episodes over. Please leave a review and subscribe up on. Apple would be a lot a lot a lot to me. Thank you very much. Hey podcast drove from team gary here. Today's highlighted review is best. Podcast hands down by dj. Be four fifty to this podcast into gary content for close to six years and to say change. The course of my life is an understatement. Every single episode brings you something of value for marketing tips to life advice to just straight up positively. This podcast has everything. You need much love to gary. And his team. Thanks to dj. Be four fifty. Keep those reviews coming. We could highlight yours next.

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The Jewish Philosophy On Fertility Treatments with Rabbi Elan Segelman , Rabbinic Advisor for PUAH In America

LIFE: Love,Insight, Fertility, Experience

39:51 min | 1 year ago

The Jewish Philosophy On Fertility Treatments with Rabbi Elan Segelman , Rabbinic Advisor for PUAH In America

"What into life, bringing you in Saint Experiences until love relationships infertility with the talk of Sun enjoying life the moving forward. I today's podcast will be speaking with rabbi, Ilan siegelman regarding fertility and shittiest? To life love insight fertility variances. I'm here today with rabbi. Ilan Superman. Who is from one of the largest must found for Chile organizations? It is such a pleasure to have you here today and I am going to ask you if you could please tell us about the organization and bag yourself and thank you very much for being here. Lord the pleasure is mine. Thank you for having me. It's a real honor to be here to address this important topic to all of your listeners. A topic that really has to be addressed has to be brought out to the forefront. Because the more people know, the more people are informed, more empower we will be to make the right decisions to get the best care It's it's really it's an honor to be your. Thank you as you mentioned. My name is rabbi. Alon Siegelman. rabbi in Queens, congregation in either Congregation Gardens Hills and I'm also the rabbi of Hooah. I am the Rabbinic Advisor for Pula in America who. I is a very large organization that has an incredible starting point. Yeah, poor actually began Israel. About thirty years ago. As a response to the Bin, ICH as the the rabbinic response to the new fertility treatments that that were coming into the world when when Louise, Brown was born at forty years ago. There was a big question mark in the Orthodox Jewish community whether such treatment would be permissible and accepted into the community, and unfortunately the initial response was actually quite negative. They didn't really want people doing these treatments and I believe it was because of that dark unknown. Nobody really knew much about it. Really knew what was happening. I had the opportunity to speak to a priest about capitalism and Catholicism was going through the same thing in many ways it's what do we know where? I salute. That question mark when it was described. You know it was so different than actual conception. Thought of having sperm extracted from the mail, and and and an oath sites from the female and forming embryos, a laboratory to then be transferred back into the womb was such a foreign thought. Almost impossible to comprehend. The automatic response was that's not for us. And some some rabbis even admitted that their opposition was predicated on this thought that it wasn't gonNA. Take off that it's not really worth it for me to bend over backwards to permit such treatment when this is just science fiction, it's not really going to take. Not To? Leave him about what you're saying. Manley is such a key in central role in the Orthodox community. Absolutely you know that that really is a fantastic point, and that that's why I believe that if the. People were asking the question if they weren't so deep. Rooted in family have accepted the answer and walked away when the Rabbi Says No, the Rabbi Says No, but we see if you fast forward thirty five years. I can't even imagine what those rab is of of yesteryear. You know really of thirty forty years ago would say today looking at the. Acceptance of fertility treatments in most orthodox can use almost all orthodox communities. In fact, there is a fascinating series of responsive but written by one of the leading rabbis in Israel name of Moshe Sharon box. And emotion, has a collection of written responses to each question than it i. he wrote unequivocally that this is inappropriate. This type of treatment is inappropriate and we should not We should not engage in such treatment, and over the years twenty plus years. You follow it than his his writings. He shifts at I, it's small ships as going from that hardcore, no to maybe a softer perhaps moving all the way to the other side. Side of the spectrum that one is actually actually obligated to undergo such treatments because of that Mitzvah because of that commandment and obligation to procreate into fill the world with children, so I think what changed was the acceptance in the world. Medicine advanced, and people really saw that this got off. The ground took off in such a positive way with so many children, thousands and thousands of thousands of children being born due to this reductive technology. And therefore that he did shift the response of. Kind of influence. I he happens to be quite influential rabbi in Israel, but it's not just him I'm using him as an example, but I leave. This is that this is the same approach that many many many rabbis have taken, and you can follow in their writings. You can follow the shifts. is which is just unbelievably fascinating and beautiful to see how how Jewish law obviously the the concepts don't change the concept which are deep rooted in the Torah. Torah, so those don't change, but the location even modern medicine given modern society and technology. The applications do change something like electricity. The Torah doesn't address electrcity because electricity wasn't around thousands of years ago, with the application of the Torah principles fit into electricity perfectly, and we can apply them, and we live our lives daily with the towers perspective on electricity, so to we have the towards approach to fertility treatment, which again wasn't available. So wonderful about what you're saying is that the religion was able to keep up with the science. Absolutely you're GONNA if we can go back set for a minute. You'RE GONNA do. Could you tell us a little bit about that? Absolutely, so let me let me go back to thirty years ago when when the people. Couples. Who did not have children, so this technology being introduced to the world, and they quickly ran to their rabbis. For Guidance and as I mentioned unfortunately, many of the rabbinic authorities said No. And the reason one of the reasons for this opposition was the unknown. What was going on in the land? When the sperm comes in and egg. Comes is is The is retrieved, and the and the fertilization takes place. It's done behind closed doors. No one really knew what was going on and had to go back to that point that you mentioned the the. Family and lineage is so important us in our Jewish faith. Should there be an option or an opportunity? Heaven forbid that. The wrong embryo, the wrong genetic material would be implanted in the wrong woman that could present serious serious issues Jewish lineage. and and therefore many buys said that we should not engage in fertility treatments, and it was really home Pua of the institute a thirty years ago. That decided hey, wait if we can set up and organize some type of supervision in observation procedure in the labs to see to it that everything is fine, there will be no nick stops ups. There will be no a genetic material from one woman implanted into the next or one man into into the next someone else's wife, so perhaps we can. Begin permit. Such treatments because again that issue will not be on the table. And that's really how poor began Puma began by by really. My brainstorming and it was a small group of rabbis led by Menachem Burstein. In Israel. How can we set up a system to allow for couples to undergo treatments according to Jewish law that was the mission and any obstacle. Projects with thirty years ago. A donor egg and donor sperm insurgency was not as prevalent ereck. We were just talking about Basic Ivf. Y. At that point. The in vitro fertilization. And the medication. To elicit, my eggs would be okay to use dirt. Yeah, at that time. Really one of the main issues was as soon as you have genetic material leaving the body, which again is so far from natural conception. Then we needed to address that issue and resolve it. So that's how it began. Who a began with a team of observers. And the rabbinic diabetic body, which was the kind of the brain behind this mission same service. Do you mean the Orthodox community? Members of the Orthodox community would actually enter the operating room, and the the clinic and follow. Genetic material whether it's the sperm, the Agra, both and follow from the moment that leaves the body until the point where it's. Implanted back into the body or discarded, or whatever's happening with? So that we will have proof with our own to is. That everything is being done. Without any question, just similar similar. Certain doctors are certain labs. People go to for her fertility treatment when they're vowing the Orthodox and just to let people know in case they don't. genius is comprised of three general practices which should be reformed conservative in off the docks on. The Austin follow the letter of the law so to speak that others don't have thoughts and feelings about it. Of course they do especially in times of crisis. But the organization was really developed for the Tax Committee which will talk a little bit more bad, and and the different teachings in the next community so I just wanted to kind of add that into the cover. Thank you, yeah, thank goods. It's a very important point. Doctors labs because I'm thinking okay well. The somebody from the Jewish community is going to have the role now following the egg and the sperm, but then it's going to go to the lab. And be in the lab for five days right three. Yeah so I mean we can fast forward to today that that's really how organization began. It was a response to It was in response to open the doors to so many couples didn't have children and weren't. Weren't getting the permissibility to engage in these in these treatments who opened those doors? And that's really if we fast forward to today. who was all about opening doors? Is an organization. Well then meet slogan to however all of that opening doors opening doors. We don't want Jewish law to close doors for people. Now we stay strict to the wise. You mentioned you mentioned. We know we're in Orthodox organization and we you know we are governed by the Torah and Orthodox law so therefore we will not break anything, but within the law there are so many opportunities to open doors, and not to close them, so you know something as an example, you mentioned before like egg-donation and sperm, donation and and and surrogacy. So, those are highly controversial topics, but within the Orthodox Jewish community. There is a lot of door openings and that can that can take place. Some some rabbis a more closed approach. Our birthdays little approach Poi again completely within Orthodox Judaism and with the approval of of a number of stream orthodox rabbis is to open those doors and allow women were unable couples. Couples were unable to have children due to an egg, factor or union, factor or sperm factor to go ahead and have children albeit with a third party, whatever it may be, but certainly under in in the end under the envelope and of the umbrella of Orthodox Jewish law, so if we fast forward to today would our organization looks like we have three. Main missions number one as I mentioned before as we began, was supervision over all. We offer supervision in the labs I think we're in New York, so many of them in Hatton labs as well as as the Los. Angeles, we have a West, coast branch, and really everywhere in between the East Coast and West Coast, we have were very very wonderful, working relationships with the lab directors, and the doctor is all across the country and and we have observers. which are religious, Jewish mostly Jewish women who are on really unannymous notice willing to drop everything and get into a car and drive to a lab because there was a last minute procedure, alas, minutes firm freeze last minute retrievable the transfer whatever it may be, and we gotta be there and they're they're. It's a tremendous challenging and. And difficult job, but these women are are angels sent angels. That cares so much. About the Jewish people, and about God's children, and making more children that they will drop everything to see to it that those couples have the opportunity to do what they need to do under Jewish law without any without any questions, so that supervision. Where does the con-? I hate to bring the conflict. Who where does some of the? Come in because some people I'm some of the rabbis. Don't accept it, and some of them do accept it, and so some communities are accepting in some communities are not and that Ms Refer A. You're referring to I the F.. We're or or supervision, or both the idea referring to the donor and the donor. Sperm surrogacy. There's so many options out of creative family. It used to be adoption. And, so what we've seen as adoption rates, go down as the other things go. And adoption actually is not that easy these days not for any religion. So that's what I'm is tune. In the last different communities yeah, that's a good point. Thank thankfully. Mainstream Orthodox Judaism mainstream Orthodox Judaism. Does allow for a at least at least IVF. The husband's sperm in the woman's Egg, being conceived and fertilized in the lab, and then being implanted back into the you know the man's own wife when we're just dealing with those two individuals, husband and wife, and they just need a little of medical assistance. Mainstream Orthodox rabbis do permit. Such treatments. There are I don't WanNa, call outliers, but there are more. Rabbis in the ultra-orthodox community, perhaps some in the Pacific community. That's question. And sometimes don't delay now, but even spoken to numerous Hasidic rabbis. who who are in charge of their population of thousands of tens of thousands hundreds of thousands. and they are actually white. Intimately familiar with the INS and the outs of IVF and they do they do they do permit it so I'm I'm happy and. And and privileged to say here on the air that I was in the majority of Orthodox Judaism does permit, and even celebrate the fact that we have an opportunity to expands to expand the population. Jewish population in to allow for those couples who were terribly broken unable to conceive without this assistance to go ahead, and and have that opportunity to become parents and supreme. Kick in the community ask. Terribly broken know that that touches me because I do so much work with support groups in. The counting couples counseling later to fertility. Your Organization also provides council. Doesn't it absolutely? That would be. That would be the next thing that we do so. Supervision is one branch of the organization has. To change the branch. Don't know perfect. Let's let's go there. The the second the second branch, the second thing that we do our second mission. That of guidance and support and guidance and support looks very different. Guidance and support could be questions that people have with Jewish religion where they want to know. How does Jewish law allow me to go ahead with fertility treatment Princeton's? My doctor told me I should do. A B and C is permissible according to Jewish law, and there are so many questions that people have to make sure that their treatments are being done. In accordance to Jewish law where some grass, some of their local orthodox rabbis may not have that knowledge, because it's a certain level of expertise that not everyone has. So poor is the organization which focuses on those. highly complicated and. Questions and some are more simple and basic and others are more complicated, and we offer that service to the Jewish community to help them navigate their fertility journey within the framework of Jewish law. Now wondering actually actually talking, I was GONNA. Ask You before G to a lot of education to the doctors as well as the rabbis. Lower your onto. That's already the third branch, so we'll get there in a minute. Just on the second, we're on our second branch. Our second mission, our second mission. The first one was supervision. labs are second. Mission is guidance and support. And she says the couple comes to you and they say you know we have to go through the treatment. We don't know what to do struggling with it and not only re struggling with knit. Our parents were even more religious than we are. We're off the DAX, could there? I don't know I would use ultra Orthodox. You would use it more appropriate term. Sorry, so I don't mean to be offensive, but they are really against it. Like what what do we do? We want to have a family and I know a story of somebody who I would say. She was conservative. She was on my support groups. and. Her her family was Autho Docs, and they found fertility medication in her closet and they were very upset with her. For fragility medication. That's really hard. You know that that's a really hard namic, and I have spoken to I've spoken to parents. I spoken to the parents actually planning on running an event This one for the parents of single women. Single women who are interested in Egged freezing fertility preservation How the parents can help their children, their daughters, and and not stress them out. People who made comments like? When am I going to beat? What am I? GonNa, be as eighty. When am I going to be a grandfather? When he? You know when you're gonNA, give me. When are you going to get married? All your other siblings and married? Some of those comments, although in the parents is are not. Significance, they could be so terribly hurtful and insensitive to the patient themselves with a couple of or the or the or the single. Who's going through such such a difficult time. You know people don't mean anything by these statements. It becomes so hurtful, and and you know tormenting because they want to listen. If I could do it. I would do it. I'm so glad you're having that. I think it's so we're going to have a special since Kobe. Happened in May turn into virtual Webinar, but as opposed to an in person gathering, but a a an evening of education and and and support for. For the parents of of women who are undergoing or who would like to undergo fertility preservation. Also lot of the parents have no idea what that means. They don't understand the science. They don't understand the cost behind it. They really are so out of the picture, so let's bring them into the picture of the more they know, the more informed they are awfully. The easier it will be on the family and. Hopefully, they'll be even more helpful to their daughters. In in whichever angle they could be service. But Kennedy for them to express their concerns in their fears and their anxiety, their stress over. So that that's a wonderful venue. We chatted for a second. Not that we have to go into because I want to continue the conversation about there's a small movement of single women having babies that, too. So this fits right into the conversation of preservation. There ain't. So! You give the parents to room to talk about it or offer services for them as us. Yeah, I. Get I. Do get colds from parents. They say listen. What am I supposed to do my daughter? She's been married for for four years. No children I WANNA help her, but I also don't want to be a new J-. I don't want to be a nuisance and I don't want to offend her. How do Do! I balance the fact that I WANNA help her I want to be resourceful but I. don't want to offend her, so we do get. We do get those questions quite often, actually prepared to. Sometimes, they'll say I. Don't know what to say anymore. All we're doing is getting upset with each other and I don't say the right thing or the seated me. My parents and my family never say the anything. But no ED, especially around the holiday season you know Passover and should rose you know when usually typically not this year, but typically families gathered together. Aunts, uncles, cousins, nieces, nephews, the whole family an often inevitably. Those comments come up. You know at the at the holiday table conversation now children, and hey, how come you know it's been? When did you get married again, weren't you? Have you been married for three years? Come on, get to work. Is something a comment like that? which seems like an innocent comment, but it could be, it could be a disastrous disastrous comment for for for the struggling couple rate. May I help? People are starting to my man. That's what we're trying to do trying to. Break Stigma and and become a little bit more out. The are so people will read about us. See what's going on. Learn more about infertility and step back and say maybe I should be a little bit more careful before I make a comment like that because. I just saw a Webinar. I read an article and I may have a little bit of an insight as to what they're going through. I wouldn't want to I wouldn't want to offend them. I wouldn't want to get them upset. This area of light. You're able to provide. Education and counseling as to the treatment, and s to coping with going through infertility treatment, and I know if these right into the third avenue, which just navigating the system and Redo land. Your community is community. Where if you said you needed more treatment, they would not be happy with it and you're. Out Castro maybe would be outcast. What do you do at that point with somebody who is somebody who wants to be observant? Yep said that's an excellent question and and that's the third the third branches education. So again the first one was supervision. The second one was guided since support and guidance support is medical questions referrals. Jewish questions in Jewish law as well as the emotional components. We Have A. we have a team called. The cares team. which is made up of therapists and social workers who are professionals and have a dedicate some of their time just to speak with our couples and singles were going through brutality challenges, and and too often that support, so that's really really essential service that we're lucky and privileged to be able to offer to the Jewish community and the third and the third branch and we'll get to your point now is that of education and education looks very different education as you said could be education of the doctors. We have a number of programs that we run with different labs. I've gone across the country speaking in actual in labs to the medical team from the actual reproductive technologies to the lab technicians the lab director. They're all there. It's usually like a lunch and learn. It's great. It's a great afternoon. The staff loves it because they get free lunch. They sit down and I lecture sometimes once twice three times depending on how frequently I go And and we talk about religious sensitivities of being a religious Jew and what it means to go fertility treatment as an Orthodox. Jew things like this on Saturday. When the doctor said something like a want you come in for monitoring on Saturday, so to do Orthodox Jew. That's how am I gonNA do that. How am I going to get into a car? How am I going to travel on Shabbat I'm not allowed to drive on Shabbat. Not Allowed to do these things, but for a nurse or Doctor that doesn't know better. So they may just be fuelling this fire, which is burning inside of them of of discomfort of anxiety, and now I have to add shabbat into the equation. It could just make it so much worse. An old different types of issues where there can be a conflict between Jewish law infertility, so we address those issues and inform and educate the doctor is how they can go about handling the situation and treating Unorthodox Jewish patient with the utmost respect and sensitivity to make everyone happy. The patients will be happy and when the patients are happy, the doctors are happy. Happy doctors will have more patients because patients will want to go to them. It works out wonderfully and really we get better care. The Jewish gets better care because of these these sessions, so we educate doctors and we educate rabbis, because when when when when the when the community approach the rabbi to ask, whether something is permissible, and not when the when the? Community approach the rabbi for Guidance and advice. Instead of the rabbi, saying no, instead of the rabbis trauma way saying this is not something that our community endorses on the contrary. Let hooah teach you all all of the material out there, let us inform and educate you about the different rabbinic opinions, and you'll see your for yourselves how the answer is yes, and how we can say Yes to those couples, and as I said before open doors, so the more rabbinic education, we have the more acceptance overall acceptance. Jewish community were able to gain. Which is wonderful I know at times though I think to bring this up and I'm going to. At times I heard of women. And moving from one community, it should be other if they wanted to use your donor egg, or they wanted to go to a surrogate, because the community was is not accepting, and at that point I suppose it's very challenging for you as well when they come to you. When we talk about donor eggs, and and surrogacy, so as I said before you know, third party isn't as accepted as as mainstream I the F.. So it's true that everything I'm speaking up until now is really an ends at the F.. Once, we into the world of third party. Then, we have a number of different opinions amongst the Orthodox spectrum. Some of the most world renowned leading rabbis as for the dachshunds you can get. Permit. Third Party and others do not so there. It's more of a sensitive issue. one of my, I'm no week goes by I. Want to say even almost no day goes by without a question about egg, donation, surrogacy or sperm donation, and it's really leads become. You know it's not because I'm an expert in this, but just because I have so much familiarity every day dealing with these issues, speaking to different rabbis and speaking to different doctors about it. It's kind of expertise. You know third, party how to navigate it. In the Jewish community have have had the privilege have many conversations with leading orthodox rabbis some as I mentioned the most ultra-orthodox as you can get. And have given us the green light and were helping women who have uterine factor who need surrogate it or or women with premature ovarian failure who need an egg donation or women in fragile x? Genetic disorders declined filter syndrome patients who needs from the nation. It really runs the gamut and and thankfully there's there are so many meeting rabbis with an open with an open. that that really do allow for all this to take place under the guidelines of strict Jewish law I'm so happy here. That's changing. It really is changing. Halloween will continue to move as the years go on. I'm hoping because it's a higher bull struggle to go through and then to have to leave your community. Where you go to services every week or more than every week and you, you spend weekends and Shabas with In case you blonde familiar with Shabas, it's it's you know the Sabbath in the Jewish religion where people are home, and with friends and family, and it's about family in many ways and. I'm glad to hear that that's starting to change me. Listen have to leave that. And also go through the facility. Struggle at the same time is a very hard thing for anybody to cope with. Absolutely. Missed the community. The more education that the community is exposed to the more informed, they are about fragility treatments about fertility acceptance. Their perspective change drastically. You know Cuba who don't know anything about fertility treatment. They just think there's some crazy godforsaken treatment that no only one in a million people go through your that person that goes at echoes that's crazy or once they begin to up and to see how common it is. How accepted and what exactly it entails so number one. They'll have a more general accepting nature towards it. And then when they go into, even the nitty gritty will call it. Exactly what it entails the shots of prep. They're monitoring the the blood. Work the ultrasounds. Then they'll even have an appreciation. Wow, you're going through your what you're going through the F. I can't imagine. Is there anything I can do for you? Can I send you know send to Your House Thursday night, so you know. Can I prepare meals for the weekend? Once that once did that. Shift takes place where people understand what other what their neighbors are going through, and I say neighbors, because inevitably it's all over the place one in eight twenty seven couple today couples whatever the number is now it's everywhere. It's your neighbor. It's your cousin geared. You're saying that that about educating the community is actually just finished a book. About donor egg, I'm going. Into the publisher in the next couple of weeks somebody illustrates. Good luck. Love to read it. It's just as simple story. It's not a scientific story, but it's to educate, and it's to help. Actually people become comfortable with the concept. The. That's the key. Understand it and become comfortable with name. Knowledge and Matt will empower you to be able to open up your mind to change, so that's a wrap is dead action. Who Started? Who is from what you said? And now it's kind of like bringing everybody up along the road with you. That's right. That's right at every step in the way they're always challenges and you know when when we just had a, it was a, it was a real big tumult in the community about about uterine transplants when the newest technology is introduced, so what happened thirty forty years ago is happening on a smaller scale, but it's always happening. Rabbis always have to address the issue. Address the technology that's being introduced. Kind of dissect it and figure out what exactly it is from a medical perspective. How does that fit into the Jewish law? And what is going to be our overall approach now inevitably you're going to have different approaches as you said before reform conservative. Orthodox, and even amongst Orthodox Jews. There's going to be a difference of opinion but. Let's take a uterus uterine transplant for the most part it's it's been. It's accepted as medical as medical technology advances in it'll become more widespread hopefully, so then we'll, we'll see more and more of it right now. It's quite limited, but but that that same discussion that same conversation took place forty years ago about IBS just took place. Around uterine transplants, so we that constant constant conversation based on what's being introduced amazing part about the docs community. Is that they very very very heavily rely. And consult with their rabbi before they, take action. For Chile about many many things in life, so the rabbi has a huge influence on the community shift for them to be able to have somebody like you to educate them and teach them is is wonderful. It's a blessing really for the community because they need that, they need people who are knowledgeable, open, minded and able to to get some perspective on the situation, so they could share the information in a non judgmental manner, and that's really so so wonderful about because you accept anybody who comes Chia. Needs this assistance needs the guidance whether it's the person going through it, the parent, the relative, the doctor or the rabbi. Incredible Organization I'm so glad that we're able to have you on today. I don't know if there's anything else you wanted to cover. But I think this was wonderful information incredible resource for anybody. WHO's Jewish or off doctor? Who just wanted insight into? How religion for the Jewish population evolved with fertility. Yet I. Really Thank you for having me. the message I would just like to share is that? There are so many resources available for the Jewish community. I'm sure for every community I just know the Jewish community. There are so many resources that are available, and people may have this perception that if I ask the rabbi. He's just going to say no, that's not true. It may be true, but you will always be surprised. There's so many people that are surprised when they asked about by, they were expecting a no, no, no, and they got a yes or they got different response. We WanNa work with you, and as we always say, it's much easier to say no than it is to say yes. Everyone can say no, when in order to say yes, and to be able to support yourself, you need that wide breadth of knowledge that experience and familiarity with the Medication Technology Jewish law with that all of that, and that really is a the expertise of. We have a rabbinic team in Israel. myself. We have a good team. I have a few partners here in New York on the West Coast in Australia and Sanford up to you the what you just said I think is so important, because it's so much harder to say yes, it is now, and it's so much harder for the person going through infertility journey to have the strength to say to the rabbi. I really want this. I need you to listen I. Need you to wait a minute and then take the control to decide what they're going to do. Based on their rabbis answer. Can't tell you how many times I can't tell you. How many times I'll tell I'll tell a caller listen. I'm not comfortable, but hold on. Let me consult with someone else. Let me consultant go into my with what one of my partners let me consult with the different rabbi. Let's let's not let's not close here. Let's not end the conversation here. Let me get back to you. Because a lot of these questions are complicated, a lot of these questions are are nuanced and even speaking with other rabbis. Getting their perspective and their knowledge will us closer to to opening those doors that that couple needs. At some point for people to take away from this conversation, you don't have to take now as an answer. Absolutely. I would encourage anyone that has any questions. On fertility whether it's related to Jewish law or the medical, the medical sides of please pick up the phone and call us. You can google fertility dot org. You can call us on. You know you can find the information online could email us. We have an ask the rabbi option. We can schedule a free consultation option. It's all there on our website. Infertility Dot Org and the I encourage everyone because no one. No one should do this alone. No one should do this without rabbinic support or emotional support, and and there's so many resources to help the community at large and wanted to take advantage. Thank you so much, and that was who act DOT org. If anybody wants to reach out who P. U., A. H. Fertility Dot Org, thank you so much for being here today, and if anybody has any questions or comments, please feel free to reach out to me A. Stat.

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Why You Need to Fall in Love With the Process to Be Truly Successful | "On Brand" Podcast

The GaryVee Audio Experience

36:52 min | 1 d ago

Why You Need to Fall in Love With the Process to Be Truly Successful | "On Brand" Podcast

"Hey everyone welcome back to the gary v audio experienced. Today's episode is an interview. Gary did on the on brand podcast hosted by donny deutsch. We hope you enjoy. This is the gary v audio experience. Really thrilled to announce Today's guests he's a monster. And when i say a monster. He's a monster. This guy is the definition of success definition multitasking. The definition of an entrepreneur definition of a gritty hustler. A guy. I have a tremendous amount of respect for gary. Venue truck is gonna take the introduction. Gonna take a long time because he is getting the show is gotta set you. Of course the big holding company is vain racks bainer. Meteors is probably the biggest part of it. It's at. I don't recall age because more than that. So also got vein of productions gary media group. Sasha group tracer vein speakers van our talent banner commerce. He's also co-founder vendor sports razzie empathy wines. Very empathetic guy at tremendous speaker. He's all scott the podcast. They gary v audio experience. He's five-time bestselling author his His social media goes of course about thirty million followers gary v. Welcome to on brian. Thanks to real honor to be with you. Hope you've been well. I've been well and You know before we get into it. I wanna play a clip of you on the big idea about fourteen years ago. That was my old. cnbc show for the listeners. Dona as who is a all show about traynor's long before shack char tanker and the entrepreneur shows and. Here's a thirty one year. Old very feisty gary vader too. Many people don't under- understand. Sometimes you know people were talking about. What are you doing now to me. It's not about what you're doing now. It's about where you're going. You know i was a young guy. I'm still young guy. I want to accomplish crazy things. And there's no way i'm gonna cash in. I'm gonna reinvest with the people around me absolutely. This is hard. You can't go wrong betting on the no difference between staying small getting big in whatever you do in life. I just want to put this out there in neon again is it's the people stupid. Invest people always come back. Gary that were seems like yesterday. Fourteen years ago. How come i look so much fucking older and you look at man. We both looked like we had our good aggressive fourteen by the son of who. I look like now. I'm i remember. Show very vividly. I always talk about that Appearance quite a bit because for the listeners. Here to donny's point. I'll save for that. Was the you know there was no business shows that you wanted to be on more than that show at the time and i was very honored to the on it and you know it's really funny just listening to that clip real quick. It's scares me to think nothing's changed from the feelings. I just had the chemicals. I feel like i'm still in extremely young guy. I have a tremendous amount of ambition. And you know experience matters for reasons so you get into this. Sure you feel this way. I think when you have young raw talent you know. There's a level of conviction incompetence that comes along with that is beautiful and a lot of times your fresh eyes and you're seeing things others can't but there's an incredible amount of value in pattern recognition and wraps. And since that day to this exact second those fourteen years make me feel really ambitious about the next fourteen years so i still have that energy you forty five. I'm sixty three. I feel like i'm just started. Also i don't know when that stops i. I don't know what it is but to your point the combination of what you call reps You know whether ten thousand hours or whatever whatever it is with the the raw hustle. Ambition grin is a great combo. I've got a great compliment. Last week i was doing interview for with age. And they They do a weekly interview with the editor does online. And i think you've done in the past and they said to me you know there are really no this donning. You're in the business. You were big personality and you were. There were really other than gary v. There are no personnel today. And i was it was. It was a real pleasure in a real accomplishment. Compared to you. But we're you blow by me in spades is that i built a great company. I don't agency and it was in. Asia was one business and that you have just had his vision and you understood the gary gary v brand but you keep taking it to new places and that to me is so impressed me and what it because it's very easy build something and you stop and go this great but you keep kind of your on a cost of every next thing you just start your nfc business your e sports business and that's gimme wear the kind of vision to where it's like. You're you're always about tomorrow and it. It's always about what's next. And that's what drives peter. That is right I think it comes from a couple of things. One one thing that i've realized about myself recently. Unfortunately i'm joe. I'm glad i made it back on time. I had a funeral. I had to go to a credible woman by name of barbara siegelman who was in essence. My dad's rate aunt remarriage. And this was the family that when we came from the soviet union that really took us under the ring and americanized us and help us in a lot of ways. And you know. I was just with my mom and dad. Insist are kind of core. You know my brother has young family. Wasn't able to make an just thinking as i was looking at my folks because that was kind of like the witch american families side of the family. You know. I remember the first time i saw car phone like in the car was in a jaguar. That barbara siegelman had and this is when like we were really lower middle-class than it a and it was funny when you just asked that question how i just put the two things that happened today together. I think the biggest thing that makes me keep going is how little i like the fruits of professional success from a financial standpoint to do things with it. I prefer the game the process. Not not the shit not the stuff. I love when you give speech. I love when you give speeches too. Young people. don't fucking tell me about what you're going to buy or what you're gonna do. It's really big for me. Honestly i wanna find a little bit of balance. Because there's people that genuinely love craftsmanship a great watch or or a having a yard or you know. I don't want to eat moniz enjoyment for me. Enjoyment is having the moons to every playoff game of the nixon jets. If i want to. I have things i'm passionate about as well but the really insecure is. It's more fun to me too and i just in coming out of one from february twelfth to may twelfth. Actually I was going at it at a level that i probably haven't gone at it in a while because i was building the set of teeth project while vein excavator meteoric exploding in his art. Era is our time. We're the dawn of our decade foreshore. We built a large company. But now the world's really coming to our level and our style of advertising. And and i just you know and it was getting nicer out and new york and kovic kind of like you know. We all know where we're living through and a lot of people were golfing and sailing and doing some stuff. And i was happy and i realized my god is my hobby by great. Hoppy is innovating new things and my great talent is having intuition around new things. And you know it's turning out to create a unique career. Now the vader meteors interesting for those. Who don't know gary you kinda owns in social media and as a digital guy and you back as opposed to traditional agencies that says we need to figure out the digital thing you did the other way round. You've got blue chips clients now as blue as they get after congratulate you on the spot that i saw. He did recently fucking brilliant for pepsi about the anne. Come out tomorrow. And i'm not gonna do it justice. But it's it's basically showing all the things all the kind of disgustingly humane relatable things we do drink from each other's things sweat on each other and that doing it now and give me a quick story because you are a little. I was an outsider. My business also and the renegade and nobody liked me and i was. I was disrupting foreign. With disrupting was and you've built an entire empire. That's gimme the little the beginning of vein media and how is just exploring you i. I'm a big fan of self awareness. I think if you're listening to this show is actually a very good topic. Because i just have a good enough sense of who you are listening to be on the show. You're in a pocket of interest. If to iasi's i gotta tell you. Self-awareness is a monster. That isn't talked about about. I built this very large business which gave me the luxury to be on. Donny's big show at the time for my dad is wind business. I didn't a very contemporary way. Email website and the youtube show which really revolutionary at the time and i started getting attention from silicon valley. I became an early investor in twitter and facebook and tumbler really found myself deep in silicon valley. Web two point. Oh and i started having crazy life experiences. Meeting barack obama and talking about social media spending dinners with mark zuckerberg like just real going from a liquor store in springfield and twenty four months in these rules. That and and i remember not only being in the donnie. But feeling 'cause i would stay in a very narrow combo. It was communication. It wasn't like we were talking about healthcare. We're talking about the solar system. We were talking about my and my marketing to build my dad's store. I built a three million dollar almost four million dollar business to a sixty million dollar business with no money on just finding every angle that was the second and the kpi was a business result. Not a headline. Not a not a metric. Not a report. It was business and remember not only being in the room. But i remembered feeling like the sharpest tool in the room and this were sharp tools and so i just. I didn't go crazy. I didn't go egotistical. I didn't think i was anything special. I just had a really calm year with myself in two thousand nine ten saying okay. This is something. What am i gonna do about it and i remember. I leaned into another thing of mine which is not as obvious given by energy but i really from both of my parents. My upbringing have a level of humility and patience sets unique. And i said you know what. I've got this talent. Why don't they build a death star wars guy. I'm gonna build a communications death star for myself. This is where you don't even know this part of the story what's really unique about. Bainer is a dream of selling into holding co. with a huge earnouts. You get offers all the time. They'll do all the time. What's what's the multiples today. I mean you know. I i mean the things. I'm getting offered a crazy. 'cause they're multiple on revenue not on ebay levels. What's the multiple in revenue. Giving now i could probably get you know. I've been offered something in the ballpark of five to seven on revenue versus eighteen. On eba crazy. But what what. I'm really focused on is. I'm building this for myself. Razzie was a two hundred million dollar. Amex constellation bought empathy. Eighteen months in. I did something with k swiss sneakers. That really worked. I sold forty million dollars. Were preventive tease donnie. In three weeks. I want you in two minutes to our audience. Explain because you're doing something different on. Nf teaser in terms of the explaining t into plane. Your nafta's entity is owning a digital asset. That's exactly what it is. And i get y you know in the same way that my friends were all going to date online in nineteen ninety seven thought. That was crazy or you innovated understanding you tell. Tell the viewers at home. Not every business thought. They needed a website back in the day now. Didn't think they needed it and definitely not a social social network account so i believe. Nfc's will be omnipresent if you have a child in your life that plays four night. Roablocks mind share minecraft using or. Or if you remember just ten years ago. People spending real money buying cheap on farmville people by virtual currency. And that's going to grow you. Know it's not just about the art and the collectible ownership like a painting or a sports card what's crazy about. Nfc's is that they have the ability to have smart contracts underneath them. So you can buy let me give an example. You can buy a john. Mcenroe and f. t. It's an image of an artist drawing johnny mak but you're really buying is underneath the image. It's there's a contract that says one hour hitting session with johnny mak. So you've all the sudden hansel correct them. What you're going to see is every ticket every membership all it is going turn into this digital asset the senate t and we're gonna look at each other's entities the way the jenner's photos on social what i would leave friends was. I've been infatuated with intellectual property my whole life. You can watch a hundred videos on youtube where i talk about. I'm building bainer. And i'm going to buy and i'm going to run it through bainer mainers being built for me. We have clients today but eventually we'll have clients and then half the company will work on my owned and operated businesses. like i've done with razzie and empathy. I thought it was going to buy the smurfs. I thought it was going to buy star jacket. I thought it was gonna buy. Somebody's six then in. Tease came along. And i said wait a minute. I'm going to start my own. So i built my own power rangers own care. Bears my own. Scooby doo the cold. V friends there all the things that i talk about. Empathy patients ambition. Work ethic in character. Form empathy elephants patient. Panda and i've solbes nfc's. But what i did was. I added another thing that i've been wanting to do since i was overly affected by south by southwest years ago. I've always wanted to throw a super conference so along with the be friends that people bought johnny. You get a three year ticket to something called beacon that i'm going to throw once a year where i'm just gonna have a bud new. You'll probably get an email from me in a couple of months. I gave you wanna moderated thing or do you want to do they. Like i'm gonna throw a smorgasbord coachella south by meets davos entrepreneurial innovation summit once a year and then above that. There was about two percent of tokens and had silly things. Like come and sit and watch the game with me lenient ping pong. Have dinner with me. I was trying to show because you started seeing a lot of influencers and celebrities. Come to the space of an f. T. and just put out drawn proud image and that was. That's not the real thing there by homes. We're gonna. this is a ledger. We're gonna transact people going to buy businesses like literally people are gonna. Nfc their homes and sell the that comes with the. Oh you don't need me to tell you this but you know you're nfc business is going out monetize. Your other businesses combined connects well. I'll tell you why the thing that has just completely have an an i do. I'm happy i'm trying to learn how to pinch myself in. Smell rose a little bit. Because i've always been i don't like it. I don't but it also to not get too low when things are bad but i'm just kind of that way but nonetheless ghani here's what's nuts in the contract of my nf t and what. I recommend anybody who listeners. That goes through it. You can put a royalty component so there is a ten percent royalty giving to charity nine percent for me on every secondary transaction. I i mean. I didn't i didn't make seventy two thousand dollars. The first seven years. I worked for my prettier. Knob is true. I i made seventy two thousand dollars in the last twenty four hours on the royalties of my nfc. Chris you know it is. I should have my brother. Wanna click me in february. I said you know george. Lucas launched star wars. Tnn made the movies. He probably the richest man on earth. Today number sold it to disney because the royalties on all that secondary collectibles mind. So how do i if i'm a pepsi. Client or a cry at kraft heinz kleiner. I'm buying bayer media. And the very thing that i'm talking to you about. Is your vision about the next thing. How do you keep you. How do you keep one foot on home base. To make sure would like i. Keeping up with you on an interview is difficult. So how do i as you're building all these things. How does each things continue to stand in flourish as the next kind of shiny toy is that in a in an audit. Meet in a good way. You get to give you a compliment. Back to the clip. It's the people. Amen amen right. Lisa buckley's and claude's and mark yod kuenz and and you know jason gonzalez of buckley's and rob and wanda it fits. I'm at a place now. Thirteen years in where i'm sitting with you know we've got globally. Probably thirteen fourteen hundred employees But there's an you know this better than anybody. There there is right now. I would say there is there forty seven sixty two people. You know that. Like are the company right. And i've never had catching me at a great time. I've never had a crew like this. Not only are they all exceptional. Not only my understanding the industry and what is needed to be successful but my my continuity feeling towards them a do. I think that in my top forty executives. The ryan are with sarah erase. Gabby you know. Do i think i let me. Just give you the map of the forty top people. Think run the company they allen's harper's of the world i think eighty percent here in a decade. That's crazy yeah. I had the same thing why you want. And that's why i'm going to win. And that's what always wins couch. Real quick everybody who's trying to build different kinds of companies. Think of it as an offensive line in football. If you keep the same guys together for five years in a row they know everything about each other and know when you constantly switching guys out. sorry i remember. I didn't think it was a fair fight. We went for new business because we had the swat team. That just like we could finish each other. Suddenly we weren't inventing every just knew it. We knew what we had. We knew it was a dynasty. And you built this. How do you. How do you do with equity. How do you deal with making people feel like their owners were company. You know if it early on. I and a very tough challenge. I'll be very here. I started the company with my brother. And aj who's remarkable. And i was thirty three. He was twenty two and we decided to fifty fifty my belief. When i started being was i would do it in five to six years he would. Then i would groom him and he would kind of run. It and i would be onto my next michigan. 'cause like the accident that about myself. My brother has crohn's disease and about so. We were exploding from forty two three hundred people in an hour literally in two years. It was just a lot and my brother is far. Hit so many more skills than me. And but the concept of managing people's feelings was extremely like not overly exciting. And you know this. The the ad business is the business really. I think i'm in the hr business. And then we happened to do all this other stuff and he came to me and said i wanna be something else hence how we get bainer sports so i was in this very peculiar spot with equity where i was already not in a place to this day. I don't feel like. I have as much of the company as i like to And so the way. The way i've done that is by building out. All these other businesses so for example my founders in empty wines started his interns beckett ago adventure right. These are gentleman who literally made who begin millionaires as partners with me and so what. I'm what i'm trying to do. What i've been doing is a very bonus over top people. Be most of these people. I think i have eighty percent retention which over a decade which is a ludicrous statement. Ridiculous know that everybody who's listening is because of those forty people. Most of them have had a conversation with me of like look. I'm doing a lot of things. If i like the guy who's going to have equity and be friends and kaye start as an intern on my contents. He's now the president of be friends. He's going to change his light. Triple double this double in the half. The salary from baylor media to be friends so i think it's about. It's not about competing with a holding company. That might give you a fractions share. Sure it's about actually making them feel they're invested by actually country. Really have media stuff is the key is the secret source at the end of the thirty million followers that you have out there that basically ensures everything you do has a kick start to. The success is how i built. Thirty million followers from scratch could answer. Right right donny. It's the fact that i knew. I know two core things. And it's very advertise oriented when you think about advertising understanding distribution where the humans attentions are and understanding we'll create goes into that to provide a victory. Is the game right. That was television. Radio outdoor print for a very long time direct mail. It is completely fragmented as you know at this point so i think what works from an example would be friends when i really talk about three years. People going to ask me questions of why. I left so much economic summit table on the initial. Watch so as remarkable and astonishing as the number. I threw out forty fifty million depending on how it theory moving. And what which is just you know bonkers even for me i. I'm stunned and flattered by that success but understood what happened. You know when. I talk about seven hundred. Twenty four thousand dollars secondary sales in the last twenty four hours many of these people. Who resold one of my tokens have made more money on a token than i mean what i understood a long time ago is if you're talented enough to know what to do with the forty nine percent of the relationship that you have with every individual on earth and you're able to provide that other individual fifty one percent of the value you will be in an incredible power spot your whole life and i think what i've done uniquely different than the far majority of people that have come along over the last fifteen years trying to build a brand on the internet. His there's two ways to really win entertainment or education. Entertainment comes a lot of shapes and sizes. Entertainment is being very attractive and being a model online on instagram. it could be being. You know funny in skiffs on youtuber dancing. There's really a waste to. Education comes in a lot of ways. We us well on lincoln and many others where you're talking about expertise for me. I've played a third kind of little subtle year. An obsession to making sure that every person that comes in gets more value than i get which is led to bury little asking and a lot of giving my best shit away for free at scale for a decade and a half. And it's and i think that's the secret to what i do and i think that's going to always be my strength because i know what to do with like forty nine percent. You always understood. Look even simple advertising traditional advertising. You gotta give the consumer something. I always gotta teach them. You gotta make them laugh. You gotta give you can't and you gotta get you and what's interesting is your approach to business is very much your approach to motivational speaking. And everything that you giving. You're not a philanthropist. Because you're capitalist same time but you understand that one of the bedrocks of capitalism or at least your bed rock has been empathy and altruism and giving so when you're giving a speech yes you're making money from the speech but what is turning you on is that you're li you giving nuggets and you're in that that's what is that's what drives you. It's a tremendous observation. I actually believe that being selfish around you know what makes you happy triggers the ability to then be selfless at scale which then creates selfish results. You know i. I think that's exactly right for me. I i just don't understand the concept of being transactional trying to win the short or my dad actually used to be pretty frustrated with me in the way that i negotiated but when i explained to him was dead. Yes i understand that. I probably could have gotten map bottle of wine. And by the way when it's a bottle of wine getting five hundred cases there's real economics when you're leaving a dollar frontal but i finished the dallas. I've watched you since i was fourteen. This is now. maybe. When i'm twenty four gonna want for the last ten years which is maybe from fourteen to seventeen. See you wouldn't let me in the big meetings by seventeen. I was in these meetings. I go look. You're a gangster fucking gangster negotiator. But you're squeezing show at abuse of for everybody every time and then go the extra for you and donny. What i really started seeing happening. Because i'm a very observing kid is. They started the numbers. How is started realizing people coming in and starting price messiah to my dad. Because they were expecting. And i said dad and we were in the liquor business where you have to buy from the same suppliers can't go you know it's not like every other business you're mandated by the state of which people you can work with by liquor laws. So i took a different approach. I always left something on the table for my suppliers and then with my consumers my audience. I mean i'll be honest with you. I hate when i'm asking for something. I'm a new book coming out in november. I don't love the promotion of that book. i'm not against it. I'm a salesman macapagal. See your point. But i love the equity building of not asking for anything and the longer you hold your breath. The better you're going to do on your best. You know what. What is the if i said you you immigrate over with with your family. Three years old queens e come from russia You're living eight people in one room if you look back now and there's a lot of people who start at the bottom but not a lot of people make it where you. What if. I tap on the shoulder. I'm seeing action subway. And i'm going what what what. How how. how did this all happen. Ridiculously good mothering. Love that one hundred percent. You know it's coming. You know what's funny. The reason i think. I can play in humble and also go to higher too low or am very happy promoting than self promoting is. I actually think it's a bigger indicated. My parents them to me. I feel like gary gary byproduct of tomorrow and sasha bainer chuck the byproduct of the american dream especially in the seventies eighties nineties. Two thousand and really on forever. It's still very much there. I i what happened was item mother who built a more self esteem which is imperative. But i'll tell you. And i don't know if you have this your mom where my mom really nailed it. When i think a lot of moms and dads missing in this day she built self esteem. But not delusion and held me accountable. I think what we have now is. Non accountable delusional self esteem. one hundred trophies for showing up to get kids grow up to get insecure because they realized it was fake whereas with my mom she would be happy to smack me on my ass or might face. If i went out of line she also really really allowed me to breathe. I was a bad student. And then and then salisbury parenting and then it was circumstance. You know when you're born at the bottom. There's an inherent animalistic need to climb. And i also got to hone my skills i was born in. I was growing up in new jersey eighties. So lemonade stands carwash shoveling snow. Outside for ten hours a day on watched unsupervised. The streets taught me and the baseball card. Boom i learned my craft but a tunnel was twenty. Two coming into my dad's business. I was and i mean this what i say. This atomic walked into twenty two sixteen year veteran of business. I've been doing business everyday. My life trying to sell something trying to build something so i think natural talent meet circumstance. And that's really what i am. I'm a nature nurture byproduct like most people are just kind of oracle. Worked out for me when i love about every just about every one of your business philosophies and every kind of instinct that you have in every philosophy is about the human condition it. That is what you so stand. He starts with self-awareness. Also but as i listened to speeches and everyone who philosophies it starts with understanding flesh and blood and humanity or your behaviorist and. That's what i find so fascinating about speaking of human though one thing million dollar billion dollar question as you get up at five you work you work from a seven in the morning till eleven at night you got to kids. How do we do that. Yes i will. I wake up at seven and more and more. I get a ton of sleep you. I think it's about For me it's compartments right. It's all in or all out that's works for me right so now now my fathering explodes because this virtual world is the greatest midst of for me of all time the fact that everyone is now beacon conditioned to do a zoom meeting. There's not a gift. Yeah if what a gift. What a gift and so for me. It's prioritizing it's been checked out on the weekends in doing things it's you know on the byproduct of dad that worked all day. A lot of us arbiture vice versa. Moms that work all day. I don't find it over. We know challenging. It's just about prioritizing and actually give you the real answer appearance it's oprah judging yourself and beating yourself up too many parents miss one thing and they think they're this horrible person. Kids are resilient. It's the we remember. The things not always the miss things and have good intent. Most things will work out. I i had the greatest parents whereas in the world who all he did was work. But i the best dad because i knew i still came i. I never counted what he wasn't at. I remember with my kids. I had the advantage. I sold my company. Young regret it. I listen to you get jones. I get because i. I was at my space where you are now. I was thinking. I own the marketing industry. I know michael jordan. At the time i they would come. Go fuck them. So i i mean the very the basic thing and i would the reason i sold was. I know you solve this problem. I didn't have division. I would walk into a three hour meeting. I knew i was going to end in thirty seconds and i was bored. I was bored with my success. I felt i had ran. The are i felt that. I you know what funny i live that same life. Nobody solved it. You've solved it by creating new mountains. But i created new. I wanted to tv these other things. But yes i felt like i want you know. We've agency the horrified five years where i was making a ton of dead. I didn't sell because of say people don't ever say you can't go visit your money. So could you ready to do something else you know. I got this great. You'd be fucking ice cream and five billion unless otherwise you could buy the jets so that might make make work as the only reason monetize it and only one but you know that's a terrible mistake people make and you don't do it for that reason and i was bored and the other thing i found really difficult. I wonder how you deal with this. As an alpha male past a certain age being in a service business. Leelee hard you. You're sitting across the table from a advertising director that you wouldn't hire nine levels below. I don't mean the word levels below you but you would higher at your company donny. How did eating. there's not a meeting. i'm in that. I don't think. I have more capability to the company of the meeting. So how do you now. Humility patience humility. Knowing that i'm eating crow in this situation is actually the thing that's going to make me win the whole ballgame. It's i- burt that meeting not into in the ring and having the fight in the main event i converted into in the gym eight weeks before the main event putting in the work so this even what may look like a big meeting a big pitch mean dietary very frank. I felt that way. From the day i started when i didn't even have the ws in the industry your point. I've enjoyed winning and being successful in this industry because i like it. I like a lot of the people but it does have establishment says. Both you and i've lived. There is an establishment that being Establishment is kind of so much isn't it but for me it's it's one more rep. It's another sit up in the gym. It's another forty five minutes hitting the bag session. Because i'm getting dangerously close to having that passed the baton moments where it will thrive without me it will. I will still be able to stay very close very much. Like i've had an incredible rep at this with my dad's why mrs i'm still very much intertwined there and i'll do the same with being or whenever that times right and i just know that it's worth it eating that crowd winless question than a observation on my end. I ask of everybody but i'm most interested from you. What is the brand. That's a great question. I actually think. Gary brand is execute on something i believe in which is every brand is actually consumed differently at the consumer level than people realize. Right i you know. People think nike state doesn't stay for just. It means something different for people everywhere. So i think for a lot of people. It's work ethic grind. That thing i think for for an emerging group of people it's well this is really pushing kindness and empathy and patients and these berry grandma virtues. He's making them cool. That's neat for other people. It's innovation and seeing around corners to me. Believe it or not. I don't spend a lot of time thinking about it. What i think about is doing the best things. I can and hoping that the other person on the other side consuming it if they choose to extract some sort of value out of it for me. It's for the way. I see it within myself if the obsession of the process your brand. I'm going to break it down for you. Your brand is about giving and it it in its essence whether it's giving your intellectualism in terms of motivation whether it's understanding the dynamic consumer dynamic and you're forty nine fifty one percent you have taken everything by given everything and it's a really interesting thing about and i've really draft. Has kind of elder statesman is a guy who may be passed tyler. I so enjoyed impressed. What you've done over the last fifteen years. So i you know you kinda punk on my show you know you have that wind business. I was like. Oh here's this guy of. But but i knew there was something special but just watching you career and watching what you're doing now. I know it's just a beginning. And i remember. I always used to laugh for those in the owners. Who don't know that you are one goal is to buy the new york jets and okay and more than ever after spending a half hour so today i think that's a i don't know what the johnsons the thinking but i think if anybody can pry away from its you keep doing a man keep fighting. Keep kicking keep scratching senator example. Everybody cheers to you and thank you for having an honor squad putting fiber one as we. Today's podcast. I want to give a huge shout out to the people you know. It's so funny. People that leave reviews and written reviews of this podcast on apple spotify and all the other platforms just in the world to me. You've taken an extra thirteen to ninety five seconds to show love and also give context of people of why. This is a worthwhile podcast. So i appreciate that so much and even more fun because i think we all love a little cosigner a shoutout or a little awareness. I'm going to have the team. Give a couple of shoutouts daily on our favorite abuse. So take it away. Which were our favorites this week. Thanks gary today's amazing. Five so review reads gary. You have inspired me through the last couple of years. How shut out the noise and loved the game. More than what it gives to me. You being yourself and giving out your best to others is what makes you unique inspiring and successful. The world would not be the same without you. Thank you so much for that amazing review into anybody else listening out there. If you leave us a review you might just get shouted out in the next episode.

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Day 2: Kyrgios & Azarenka out, Raonic & Siegemund progress

The AO Show

14:34 min | 2 years ago

Day 2: Kyrgios & Azarenka out, Raonic & Siegemund progress

"Lawf-? He was so composed on big points. So hey was white TV for major not. Hello and welcome to the data to at the screen open and another big diet was warm weather and a beautiful evening as I stand here in garden square. Lovely whites end the day on today show behind the extreme team to know that the Playa is appreciating what you're doing and that your helping them as pilot team, that's the buzz you get and we hear about the brand new sports film festival at the I'm very excited to be able to combine two of my biggest passions, tennis and film and put together plus more reaction from any Murray's also exit. But we started with the battle of the big service Nick offs and military on each ruined progressing to the second round. Well, curious struggled with injury throughout the match. He's what Ray on it had to say on court after the match. It's tough really to to be able to say too much because it comes down to a few points here. And there I'm very glad I served while that was incredibly important. I got a little fortunate on a few opportunities that I had and you know, that disciplined paid off throughout the whole match. I'm glad that I got some support in here. I know you guys were very supportive of your own as as you should be. Thank you. And you know, it's onto the next one on the other side. Nick curious wasn't blaming his knee injury for his performance giving full credit to Ray on each. I think that was at all the reason I lost today. He played unbelievable. I'm label saving never seen him aloft of never been in part of it. I was just watching literally going to sawed. I'll Sean makes up world standing. Trying to move before doing like a legal to move on. And just do anything. He was using. It was in such good rhythm on, sir. Do anything. He was white too. Good to not every time at attorney seven ball, eighty volleyed. Unbelievable. He was composed on big points. He made returns Jagger tons on on points Masa. Hey was white too. Good from into not also on data to also champion, Victoria as Aranka was defeated by Zygmunt. Tim solely spoke to commentate a safe piss for his reaction stave as a Rankin knocked out today. First round poss- champion. What's your initial thoughts and reactions to that? Well, it's always a bit of shock. And I think the people who come to Melbourne punk frequently or just follow you know, the tournament around the world. It's always it's always gonna stick out as a bit of a shock, but Victoria has never got back to the sort of level that she was at before she stopped playing for a period to have a child she's had some difficulty since then as well. So. So it shapes as a big shock for Victoria to lose to someone like Siegelman, but Siegelman self you know, he's a pretty handy player. And she showed today that she can mix it with the top players, and as a rancor certainly not anywhere near her best for those who remember when she went all the way to winning the title. So it's a shock sunny more in name than in current form. Because as a rank is ranking hovering around the fifty s at the moment. So she's she certainly not performing in the higher highest echelons of the game of the month. Get it. Siegelman has the biggest Weiner Korea. She has Alstead the twice champion Victoria has Inca in the first rounds. She wades what was it on the Missouri Anka was a grand stroking wood. What specifically didn't go off today? I think she's sending my too many errors. She seemed to almost lose patience with her own game at times. I mean, she was a set on a break to the good. And she just seemed to try and force it a bit too much for me. She just she wasn't willing to tough out the victory almost illness may be wanted to easily. She wanted to end the points too quickly against a woman who really standing toe to toe and okay in her heyday as rinca would have probably what court because she was a high level player a couple of years ago. But now the same shots that she once was hitting ninety percent ninety five percent of the time. It's a much lower conversion rate, and she was missing a lot today. And she made it easier Zeyun that she should have done Steve before the chatting more during the Tokyo, thanks to speaking to media following the match as a rank focused on our inability to take chances today. He's what she had say. I think today was very obvious. That might gay was not there. No create chances to win the match. I didn't take any of those opportunities which is extremely disappointing. I don't think she. And the thing extremely difficult. It's rather than me not. Doing anything there? While the conversation around any Murray continues today and the radio team reflected on his first round exit from the Estrela. Nope. And Bridget Clark, Richard Evans, and sandy how it spoke about Murray's character and their specs. He receives from his fellow plays. Only to Andy Murray is very special. We've known that in the game for a long time. Say that you were saying that that I've met so many who believe like you did that because of the way he behaves on Colton wise. He's always berating himself. And he he he was the wrong clothes often. Dr can eat presents sort of dark presence on Colt, which is very sad and very unfair unfairly because he's he's a funny. Nice guy with driest sense of humor. If you're not Scott, you it goes, right? As head of the time. But he's a thoroughly good guy on many levels as the women's locker room sort of really joined in that tribute to him last night after he lost in five amazing sets to hear that. Because he really does come across. If you now if you don't have the inside knowledge is quite dour. And quite doc thing. I liked the best about anti and I think Richard will confirm this. He's just normal person. I mean, I remember when he first had the first child and everything people will like going. Oh, did you take your own hotel? Stay. Traveled when the kid was like six weeks old. He goes, what do you mean? I'm half of the parents I wake up, and I take my share of the knife feedings. And yes, I'm tired, and yes, I'm gonna go on the other. But I'm a fall on the he is the most normal guy. And it's so wonderful. Just hope he finds he's is I think you go to give Judy a load of credit. You know, she she is British tennis. She has produced to well number ones and two players who become number one of the world and won Wimbledon in singles doubles. And she works socks off full British and particularly Scottish tennis. And she's produced other players who played well, she's an amazing woman. What do you think he's place will bay in Tennessee street, sandy, well, I think he's going to be a whole fame without a doubt. I mean, he's won three grand slams. He will I'm back to back Olympic gold medals. He won the Davis Cup. I he was number one in the world. He was the first player from Britain for seventy. In years to win Wimbledon and Richie concern. Tell you they will awaiting long. Support Tim him, and he almost got him there. But not quite good enough. So, you know, I mean, I think there's no doubt. He is. I just hope he makes the decision that he could live with what to do about this hip because he has options, and he's really going to have to sit down decide because you could see him hesitate a little hesitating. He'll he'll think about it. A couple of weeks. The Unix Seraing tame is one of the most fato components of the type and helping the pliers to get the most out of their records. Tim solely spoke to stave Harris to lend more mon-, I'm Steve Harris. And here is part of the Unix official string team. What is the role of string here this rally? Northen job is mainly to make sure that the players get the equipment that they want. They need to play matches the white. I can do at best so ad job is to fulfill the desires as far as they rackets concern. So how do you feel that is is we get break from the plan regarding what they want what they look for. What changes I wanna make? And we Mike that happen for them. So the equipment that is going to suit install a game in these conditions. So tell me about some of the requests humour get as a stringer a lot of it is to do. With time pressure says some plans to get Iraq. It's done just before a match. So they really fresh off the machine, and then they go out on court. They put a lot of demands on the string to meet deadlines. Others like them strong well in advance, and they fought I want them to relax a little bit. So that they feel more. Comfortable with them. There are strings, for example, that have Playa who's notorious for doing lots of records during a match revenue doll corio, they sold applies and for that string is on the main and on coal whenever the players on court. So, you know, stuff happens when they're on code so would apply coming here and get X amount of rockets just restrung for the game. And then I go out nightside. This is what I'm using for the for the game or you really working on the move. And they're out there on the quote guy, and this this string this rackets too tall at least strong on something that looser. What's the process behind that? You'll get someplace if I use a few as an example, go ref Dahl has a citation signed string every time, but he likes brackets to be China as the conditions China because guys are gonna play five matches might be more. So they need to cover that entire period any Millan five hours from seven o'clock start till midnight. It is is a very big difference in temperature and climate and conditions. So Rafeh will actually us he'll get site. Three rackets Stanford for. Practice. Healing get maybe six from match, but he'll leave three more rackets with us here in the room that he'll tell the pile on need another one of those rackets or two of those rackets. We'll string him up go out on court, and then he'll use them or he'll have the preference to use. He might not immediately pull him out of the bag. But if conditions China the match gets long he wants a couple of fresh, she's. Stories about your relationships with applies. You do a lot with playas where players like you work, and they keep coming back to you. Or you've done them for consecutive tournaments, very council. What with what you do even if they making changes, they know the changes are measurable too. So last night, I'm walking back from a light Dina and John millman came up behind me. Grab me behind from behind and said, thanks for the work. Data played really well said how you look like you hitting it. Right. He said, yeah, I'm feeling really good. We've just gone. So that's nothing Maija like it's not like a magic, congratulations or anything. But to know that the play is appreciating what you're doing. And that you'll you'll helping them as pilot team. That's the buzz you get because I've got a list apply on working for Ashbury being one. Johnny millman demon all like these kids I've worked with for many many years, and I feel like a bit of father. Yeah. These kids I'm looking after him so on Kane. And you get I'm going to sit there much on TV and follow. They game just going, Steve it's been fast nodding your man and all the best for the rest of the tournament night out. You're going to be very busy man and his fingers are going to get a workout. Thanks. What does the perfect tennis shot? Sound lock? It's like, I don't. Not pulpy wanna lock that. I don't know. What's your best impersonation of an par? That. Polk. Do use Spanish better. Can you can do it in Spanish eight what? Do. This is not correct. When I am calling. The short is out is out. Game set shut up place. Yeah. Come on. I'm probably gonna cry. I caught is coming out. I would very quiet TS. Could he them in the distance? New the at the railing open is sports film festival. Jeff filled spoke to project lead shero follow down. Can you? Tell us about your fiscal. So for the first time ever. The Australian Open will host the first of Australian Open sports fan festival throughout the two weeks of the open. We'll be screening of movies across twenty three sports at three locations on sites. They are able pock where will be screening kits movies. The glasshouse where we'll have a premium indoor screening experience and tennis club where will be hosting outdoor screenings in the evenings. So with these Audie come about it came about when I realized that in last couple of years, they happiness such in sports related content, especially in the movie industry, the likes Obama the sexes. Tanya the fighter and of course, all time classics like the rookie franchise Hoop Dreams the great in basketball ESPN films. I'm very excited to be able to. Combine two of my biggest passions, tennis and film and put together. So it's been a really fun journey working on the curation of the program using my understanding of the vent to create different experiences at the three locations that we have. So he's been a really good good and rewarding journey so far what sort of his films? Do we have quite a few? So given that we grand slam tournament every day across the three locations. We'll have at least one tenth movie. So we have the LASSO better the sexes. We have documentaries on some of the absolute tennis legend site. Chris edit Martinez, nothing low vac cetera. We have innocent. Serena obviously, a really good documentary came out a couple of years ago on the Williams sisters, so quite a lot of Tanis contents. Even though it's a few festival celebrating sports in general. That's fantastic. Thank you, Tom show. And let's go to the movies. And that will do it day to from Melbourne pock. Thanks to you listening. I'm off to get some rest, and I'll speak t- Tamar physi- three.

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Craig Siegel: Founder of Cultivate Lasting Symphony | #ThePlaybook 364

The Playbook

19:46 min | 4 months ago

Craig Siegel: Founder of Cultivate Lasting Symphony | #ThePlaybook 364

"On this episode of the playbook have the next gary v. Is craig siegel on your mind. Said coach unbelievable podcast host of the c. l. s. experience. And we're gonna talk about how to revamp your wall street. Mindset to one of abundance. Join me for all this and more on the playbook. This is entrepreneurs the playbook each week. I bring you some of the greatest athletes celebrities and entrepreneurs to talk about their personal and professional playbook to success in what made them champions on the field and in the border. I'm your host david meltzer. I have craig's legal and he is a mindset coach. Obviously a podcast goes if you haven't heard the c. l. s. experience. You have not heard a podcast. One of my favorite interviews. That i've ever done. He's also the founder of cultivate lasting symphony. That's the c. l. s. of the experience Greg this out the before we start tell you yes. Have over six hundred. Some guests biggest billionaires millionaires entrepreneurs celebrities athletes entertainers and every once in a while. I see the names on my list for the day and i get this feeling That i got a superstar coming in. And i get more excited about the superstars. Nobody knows about than. I do the dan patrick. In the dan ackroyd cameron diaz is the world because everybody expects those people to have a higher frequency. But i love when. I bring someone like you on. That has the frequency of success the mindset of success the desire that they must be what they can't be which is all displayed on the seals. Experience brother. where did that start for. You thank you so much. The love in a couple of minutes in means a lot coming from anyone specifically you dave as you know how much respecting and all how high hold you in terms of just everything in terms of the passion and the drive. I've always had a tremendous amount of drive and determination. The issue was the i was able to place it in could the correct purpose or passion. I didn't know what exactly was my passion and just like you. I was three years ago when it had plenty of success as anyone can imagine the audience listening with finance in wall street. There's a lot of. There's a lot of down so hard but also like similar to you is. I wasn't living in a state of gratitude. Like i am now. And ultimately i was able to identify what fuels my passion my flyer and it just so happens not to spiritual but when the pandemic happened and heard the whispers not only is this passion helping people revamped their mindsets credential and so forth with also might purpose and once i realized that the writing was on the wall i just went over and i didn't hesitate at all with the answer your question. I've had the drive for a long time. I just been looking for the correct outlet and finally economics. He say i'm living in my as pew talking to you today. That's awesome in to revamp of mindset. You indicate an art of revamping of mine. Said i can't think of a better place to revamp your mind said especially with what's going on in the stock market right now you're a wall street guy you know. I gave and learned my lessons on focusing emotional attention to something. That's not stable. That i don't have control of in part of for me. Revamping minds my mindset is knowing i have control of my mindset my heart set in my conscious where did you transform those lessons from working within the context of really instable personal professional environment called wall street as we saw today with game stop. I know people look back on this. In another reiteration of you know this is not a true stable environment to amping a mindset that you have control of yet. It's such a great question. So when i got wall street a little bit addict when i started studying within right. I started studying northern wisconsin programming or nlp. Another was. When i realized that nobody's broken. Frames can be warped or corrupted and by altering literally like tilting my head to change your perspective everything opens up and would you adjust your map of the world. Your world changes in. So i realized i was capable of so much more than i've applied this marathon's that ran a couple of years back but ultimately just like you just said withhold the chaos right. Now there's just too much unpredictability and the art of the mindset. Is one thing just like you alluded to you could control what you give certain emotions too right like we can even go as far as change what we associate pain and pleasure to very deep level but when it comes to you said the game stock and crazy stock this just about control and it's just it's too much it's too crazy and so simply put i just want to help people understand what they're capable of to fill their purpose in their passion ultimately exceed even they think is possible for them in terms of potential and with the mindset in the art of the revenge minds at once. You're unplugged so to speak or awakened as i'd like to say it's not what can i do. It's what can't we do. An awakening is an interesting term. Because it doesn't happen overnight right. I'm a big evolution person. Not a revolution person. I can look back and connect the dots backwards to facilitate how things have evolved. How they've segmented how they've accelerated in grown within the context of what myo behaviors. Were my attention intention. You know but like you. And i were hard hitting persistent scarce competitive people yet. We were introduced to nlp to tlc to quantum healing in physics metaphysics. And like you said you're very spiritual person now. But i think it's important for you to share with people the resistance that you had initially spirituality and then why were you open. Nlp which obviously has allowed you to evolve to woke or or pursue a different journey of enlightenment yet unbelievable questions. They've in the truth. Matter is when i was in college and everything prior even though there was signed i had entrepreneurial spirit i was essentially lost in the wilderness with no compass. I didn't want to do per se. I didn't know what. I was capable of and so forth and so after college. When i got to wall street i simultaneously with so interested in finding out how i can improve because here was the young rookie on the block. I wanted to be successful. And hide that drive and passion. And i wanted to place it in the appropriate places in so i stumbled upon pollen. Nlp and basically just the concept that becoming unclogged or awakened so to speak. And you re your monod said. There's nothing that you can accomplish. And i started to see results. I utilize techniques such as modeling and acri and so forth and all the sudden my map world expanded and where used to have limits. I started the opportunities was literally like everything was limitless and i started to have a ton of success. Success that identical awesome for me and so it was around this time at the college. Right when exact wall street that i went on such a deep dive and explore the mindset and my spirit and then ultimately when i start to see goes resulting being manufactured i open myself up also to spirituality and stuff of that nature and also living in a state of gratitude and the big. It's all agents winding all connected. And so once. I started doing that. Like i said the shackles came off and i was able to really fly you another reason i wanted to have you on the podcast that you might mission to empower over a billion people. I need a thousand people like you. You know i'm looking and seeing okay. Who are the seeds that i can plant for the trees that i may never sit under. Who are the must. Be what i can be. People that live and have learned to live with passion and have evolved to this point in with c. l. c. podcasts. You have a platform Power thousand Thousand words you know. Expands it accelerates my mission over a billion people to be happy but you also have a personal purpose behind zia s in the podcast itself in. I respect that because most of the mission in my life was motivated by my own. Mom and i know your parents play in the integral role in why you created the podcast. And why you're so passionate about spreading the light through your podcast. Yeah such a great point. Even the premise cassia less experience is as follows. I like the had big recognizable legendary juggernauts on the shelf. People that everyone knows the name of them. Such is the big bed david meltzer's of the world. But where everybody thinks when you have these big names you gonna talk success stories. Here's the thing. We have wikipedia for that with. I like to do is do a deep dive and i do mean deep into what was the mindset like when ray guys like you or women were so forth. What was the mindset. Like when you were added when you at rock-bottom how did you ricochet. Hadn't you push through challenges. What was the mindset required. Because it wasn't so long ago that even though it was doing well in business. I was just unfulfilled and wasn't happy and i had a lot going on. This was my rock bottom. And i just. I didn't like the pay that was going down. So with the experience we can have a huge audience and which we already at twenty thousand downloads in two weeks. A lot of do with you. Thank you so much love you. But the point is is that people see these big extraordinary juggernauts and larger than life people but now we talk about the humility right like goal nobility side what was the mindset like when they were not flying high. How did they overcome. That achieved the best success. Like you have. I think that's what's so important. Because people can take and then they can take tangible and apply them to their life. I love that for one reason. I remember when i started my podcast. Even my radio show before there was podcast. You know it was always about bringing on the juggernauts share. You know those stories the more interested that interesting questions that i saw when i came on your podcast that you asked in those really bald. That deep seated mindset the emotionally tied heart. Set of how you felt and then also desire light and your persistence That is availing in pursuing through your seattle s experience and the playbook that i do all the similarities that i see one of the interesting things i've learned from us. You and i also share a relationship. That is very symbiotic with failure and success and that relationship is so important. And i love the way that you apply what you've learned for the age group that you are in the experience that you had to have such an enlightened view of success and failure in the relationship between the two Can you explain to me. What that mindset hard said in desire is according to that relationship. Yeah what an unbelievable question. What again had between success in failures the highs and the lows especially when. You're an entrepreneur. Right this doesn't just go like this. You don't just coast unless you know you're not looking for kind of success but when you really want to live life and take shots or take a swing is going to be a ton of challenges And i've heard you say several times for as long as the win column has a little bit more than the lowest column. Then you're good and the truth matter is is. We don't grow as much from the success stories. The dewey we grow from the challenges and the times we fall. And i think what's important a lot of people fall and they face obstacles and they don't get a lot of my clients. When i begin with them they had this defeated mindset. Doesn't have to be like that. You can own yours past own. Your story does not only you. And so i think we learned so much from the trials and tribulations that we go to so that the next time we do have a ton of success with doing it with a better mindset and for the right reasons or example living in a state of gratitude which. I'm doing right now. I know you are as well but you know once upon a time you and i both weren't sovereign sold point to learn so much from the failures so that the next time we begin to fly we do it the right way. I love them in one of the things. I have difficulty explaining to people. Very frequent question is about frequency itself and frequency is determined upon the uniqueness the organic nature of yourself what they call now overused term authentic. You know being or salvin. It's so important especially in the digital realm to be authentic organic but it's really a frequency and one of the areas of frequency is differentiation. Differentiation is an aggregation or accumulation of sameness oneness in appreciation How do you differentiate yourself in a very crowded very loud very chaotic space like podcasting. You know i thought. There's a lot of podcasts. When i started. I think those six hundred thousand now. The older two million podcasts and growing every day. How do you differentiate yourself in your frequency. Yes so a couple of different ways number one. I think the most obvious answer is the energy try to always be in an elevated state and bring up the state of every single human being interacted with and so i take great pride in every. We'll have a conversation with someone whether it's the guy downstairs at the deli or the steel s experience. I want them to get away from that. Encounter feeling elevated. It's important to me. Make people feel good and also even though you just use it. It's very trendy word being or that being real being relatable being and also like showing vulnerabilities right like showing the world who you really are not like just as like the guy with the rolex next to a sports car let people see like your history like what made you what shape you. And i think that's what the audiences really relate to and agree with this. But i always loved comic books when i was coming up in even though superman is cool to me. 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How Many Top 20 Players Are Playing?!

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How Many Top 20 Players Are Playing?!

"Welcome the mini. Break your dave podcasts. For the biggest storylines results and controversies from the tennis world. Today is tuesday april twentieth. How many top twenty players are playing this week's four. Atp and w t tour level events. I'm going to answer that question for all listeners. On today's podcast as preview the weeks to five hundred level events one happening for the women and stood guard the other happening for the men in barcelona. Of course. I also wanna preview the draws at our two to fifty love events for the women they are in eastern bull for the men they are in belgrade of course there are also three atp challenger level events and of course any time. There's that degree of tennis you know. 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Certainly an interesting piece talks about a lot of guys we've talked about both here on the menu brick and on our gs gsp over the past few months. So be sure to go. Read that at our website cracked rackets dot com but again the agenda for today's podcast preview. All of this week's action so you listeners. Feel set to go a minute breakdown. The draws talked about the seeds the top fifty players the players. I'll be watching most closely all of that fun scheduled for today's podcast. Of course the reason we're able to do this day in day out here at crack because of the support we get from all of you listeners. From our crack racquets patriot family. As i talked about yesterday. I'm using brand new equipment here to record. Today's podcast at cr headquarters brand new microphone brand new microphone. Stand i'm fighting my instincts because i'm so accustomed to having to hold the mic walleye podcasts. I don't have to do that anymore. And that's because of the support we get from all of your listeners. Are patriot family. Who again tune in day in day out and attract sponsors such as our friends at midwest to also are so invested in growing the love of our game of tennis. Want to make sure all of you fans are well equipped to bring out the best in your game when you hit the tennis courts to update your equipment. Find the best gear at the best prices with our friends at midwest. Sports dot com. Use that promo code cr fifteen. You'll get fifteen percent off your order. Free two day shipping on all orders exceeding seventy five dollars. Best of all a free can of wilson extra duty tennis balls. You use that promo code fifteen also let them know that we sent you there so again go to mid west sports dot com use promo code cr fifteen to get all of the best gear at all of the best prices with that in mind. Let's talk about this week's action we have at the atp. What tour level because up and down the board you. We have top twenty players galore. Let's start on the women's side in stood guard where we have eleven top twenty players and seventeen top fifty players slated to play this week in the state guard event. You look at the top seeds. Ashleigh barty played the charleston event. But i depend for her on red clay f- since she won the twenty nine thousand nine french open. Of course you've also got simona halep your number two seed so fia. sonia kenan. the defending french open finalist. Your number three seed. Elina s- fiddle. Lena who quietly has been stellar on clay over the past fifty two weeks. She's twelve and two in her. Clay court matches. That is third on the wpa tour in wins she trails only powder rosca. Who's got fifteen a bunch of them at the it f. level and simona halep who's got thirteen but then it's italina a with twelve. She's played a lot of events but she has been that good. You've also got arena. Sap alenka always dangerous of winning any event when she's in the field caroliina plus go who struggled so much of late but looking to bounce back here in stood guard. Patrick your number seventeen. She's gonna kick off her campaign against jennifer brady and it feels very quiet but if you recall petrov of a french open semi-finalist last year. So let's all keep an eye on her ass. She kicks off her clay court campaign and then of course you're number. Eight seed belinda bench. Who has not had the best clay court results thus far at the w. t. level or at least in particular at the high w. level events. But she a former. I believe junior french open champion and certainly with her weapons with how aggressive she is. Her game style should translate well to the clay courts throughout her career. So she is someone. We will certainly keep an eye on this week. But you look. I mentioned that those are you know eight of your top twenty players. You've also got jennifer brady in the drug. Who as i mentioned gonna take on. Petra convince around one brady last year lost first round of the french open. But with retrospect she lost that match nine seven in the third to ascending. W tae talent clara toss in so you know considering toxins one. And w t title since then entered the top one hundred that loss. Much better in retrospect but still lot to learn about jennifer brady and how. She competes on the red clay. You've also got caroliina move coming off of what was a quarter-final semi-final at the twenty twenty i think was semi final. Twenty twenty australian open twenty nine thousand nine. French open finalist. Marquette kevin through silva in the draw. You've also got maria. Soccer finalist in miami was. She finally no semi finalist. She lost to andrew skew. Excuse me will be interesting to see how she bounces back. You've got the always dangerous. And that controversy who is just been a staple in quarterfinal rounds of so many wti events of like angelique kerber former french open champion katharina alexandrova of course former french open champion elena ostapenko rounding out your seventeen top fifty players in the draw now with that in mind. Let's start to look at various sections of the draw. And excuse me as you look up and down number one seed ashleigh barty who as we can recall lost. Her match in charleston was a quarter final match for her that she ended up losing I believe to paula the dosage. You bear in straight-sets got a three set win over shelby rogers. That was a very fun match. She's going to start off her campaign against either siegelman or bartell she would face a potential ostapenko or liska would be the higher ranked players in her quarter final match. Certainly you know siegelman would be bartell. Obviously as well both tough tests and then she would get a couple of hard hitters potentially in the quarter-finals. So you'd see her tested early. Of course fiddle. Lena first round potentially kerber kerber takes on gordon godsey in her first round match than you've got sacree gonna take on the winner of brainier covid of soccer actually. Having won her match on monday to win to victory for her you look for. Maria sacree was to in two in the to clay court event. She played last season. Of course there were two clay court events last season. And you look up and down the board for so many of these players e w stats leaderboard. Puerto rico. The only player to have played twenty matches. And you look of the top fifty players. I believe only twelve of them have played ten or more matches. So you know that sample size from rear maria. Soccer is so small as are so many of the w. t. players. Excuse me but you go back to twenty nineteen four. maria sacree how. She competed enclave. Maria salary that season was thirteen and five. Seventy two percents Seventy two point two percent win percentage. You compare that to some of her other players in the top. Fifty maria sacree was about thirteenth fourteenth. Excuse me by. Win percentage on clay in twenty nineteen. And you look again for maria sacree more specifically the losses. She took on clay last year in her to wti lovell events. She played in roman karros. Won her first two matches Tomjanovich young camilo rakhimova before losing to throw visa and six three in the third set her other clay court match. She played palermo Before heading over to new york she lost that match. Foreign four to christina plus gov but that was her first match post pandemic so again third round for her at the french. Open the three-set loss to trevisan. You look for maria. Soccer in her career in wti level of events. She's been pretty salad thus far she's forty and thirty which obviously isn't as good as her ninety one in seventy three mark on clay but are on hardcourts. But you know it's not that much worse it's actually two percentage points better than you look at her effectiveness. She wins that anymore. Return points her. Serve relatively similar on the plane. Of course as both i and jeff sackman of tennis abstract have illustrated maria soccer's improvement on her first serve her first-serve points one. Her percentage has on each of the past five seasons. She's absolutely someone to circle. Given her level played to start the season. You look for maria soccer. She's thirteenth in the wgn race to shenzhen. She's currently sitting at a new career high of number nineteen in the w. t. rankings. You look by tennis. Abstracts elo ratings. She's currently number thirteen overall. By elo you look by clay court. Close she's actually a little bit lower than that one. Two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen. She's twenty first by tennis abstracts. Clay-court elo but you look bi yearly. Eli which measures. Just twenty twenty one rating matches. She's tenth overall in the season so again. She's here but already won her first match to into absolutely dangerous and they contender to make a rod in stood guard despite not being seated but of course again who are some of the clay court yellow players who might stand out in the competition. This week's fiddling is the four seed. She's currently number six court yellow. You wanna whose number five by clay court yellow caroliina plus of and of course a lot of that is on. The back of i believe her. Twenty nineteen result in rome twenty twenty. She made the final in rome. Beat von russa in mertens before losing a to simona halep. She lost the ostapenko second round last year at the french open but you look for her throughout her career in. Wj level matches on clay caroliina plus covad thus far a pretty good on the clay in her career. You look overall for her. She sixty seven and forty three in clay court matches compared to to forty four one twenty seven in hardcore matches but again sixty one percent win percentage on clay versus sixty seven six percent on hardcourts. Her return percentage actually drops by about point seven percent but her serve percentages. Stay relatively similar in so many players. You see significant drop offs in the effectiveness of their serve on clay courts. That is not the case for her. You look in her career. She's made a french open semi-final she's made the rome final. She's made madrid semi-final. She's won the title and stood guard back in twenty eighteen. She won rome as i mentioned back in. Twenty nineteen a. She's absolutely when she plays for best tennis. She is a threat to win any eventually plays but she's thirteen in eleven in her last fifty two weeks outside of those four winds. She got an rome. You take that event out of the equation. She's nine and ten overall and you know she's only made i believe one other quarter-final was in doha. Haunt you only had to win one match to make the quarter-final In doha that's her one quarter-final the last fifty two weeks outside of rome but slow courts if she finds a rhythm she's had plenty of time to train and she lost in the second round to miami to peculiar but of course that was a fantastic three-set match and she's all three matches to peculiar in her last three events. Pecul- has been spectacular. But now we're on clay courts and that's different caroliina plus cova if she brings her game she is absolutely in the mix in competition here institute gert and you look for plus kovar her. Draw here This week as i mentioned earlier. She's the number six seed she would have to play court patch than ostapenko then bharti. She's going to get tested early. As you move down the draw you kind of like arena savvy linked to the number five seed sway. Zhang was her first round match or she can get through that as it twitching. Yeah sh waging. Excuse me that is who she plays. She. she can get through that. She'd have either curie or freed some and then potentially kante or a not quite inform yet cannon several incas power translates across surfaces. She's comfortable move on clay. She's had success on the surface before. Of course her results always so predicated on confidence and she's played so many good matches against muga russa and bardi but she hasn't gotten over the finish line and so You know that sticks with you as a tennis player at her being confident is absolutely storyline to monitor heading into the french open. So it's gonna be interesting to see how she competes here this week and then your final corner of the draw is certainly the most fascinating. You've got benched. The number eight seed. She's won her first round match foreign to again show She's now going to play the winner of alexandrova and mujtaba. Of course mucus had serious success on the clay alexandrova. Just overall has had a lot of success of late. You look in terms of toto total alot landrover right now. Twenty eight overall. You look at muka of a she is currently the number twelve player by ego rating. You wanna go by clay court elo rating caroliina muka a little bit lower than her actual e low rating. She's not twelve ill. she's outside of the top thirty via clay-court elo rating. You look at her opponent. Alexandrova on illo. She's twenty-eight she's well outside of the top fifty on elo rating so certainly those two still things to prove on clay. And then you know. The potential for of andrew. Salva hal up round one around to match up first match for halibut. That would be certainly some blockbuster. Tennis bed funders. We're to have to get through the always tough. Marie boost cova in her first match. So again down the board. Who are the players to watch a. I would circle. I mean there's so many good ones inevitably never bet against simona hallam on clay. So i guess. She's the favorite thirteen in one last season. Her only loss coming to xiang tek. Everyone was losing tisch tech on clay. She also won palermo. She one roma. She's the favorite to win this event. And it's gonna be exciting to see her. Hopefully she's healthy. I suppose she can't quite be the favourite unless we know she's one hundred percent healthy bardy sabah. Linka fiddling has been great of lake. Keep an eye on plus kovac keep an eye on soccer. I'm telling you folks always keep an eye on her on kante they just make deep runs. That's what they do but overall stoop guards should be a very exciting tournament. And you look for tuesday's matches in stood guard should be a really fun day of play. Alexandra and muka gonna kick off the day. You've got controversy. Meet indoor siegelman verse bartell. Of course brady kvass should be outstanding. Sabah linka taking on shwe's zhang and then you've got via carry against freed some bench. Cannon a doubles duo. We're going to see inaction institute guard as well. I'll take a flyer on that. One should be fun week of play and very excited. I have press access to be on the lookout for some from the processors from that week's action as well in terms of your other w. event we've got action happening in istanbul a to fifty level but still only one top twenty player but seven top fifty players in the field. They're all seated. I don't know if the seven seed withdrew worth. They were just like what we don't like the number seven here in istanbul. But you've got mertens your number one seed martina only top twenty player by the way you've got march your to. Cg is always a dangerous player. You look for petra martinez. She's number twenty one in the wto number nine feed the tennis abstract clay-court elo rating. So certainly a worthy of that number. Two seed veronica. Cooter mathilde coming off of a title in charleston is your number three seed cooter. Montalva currently number. I believe let's see number twani by clay court either rating twenty five by over all elo rating. You wanna look at the years of the yearly ila ring. Again twenty twenty specific for a cooter. Veronica could've went over a number thirteen over. I'd say that overall elo for her number twenty five probably most accurate as we've talked about she such litmus test her of her fifteen fourteen losses whatever it is in the last fifty two weeks twelve of them have come to top thirty players or players ranked above her at the time of the match. But there's only two players ranked above her in this event. Of course doria catholic. Kina started off her year so strong she has to w titles already to her name back. Inside the top fifty you look. Bi yearly elo rating cass. Akina fourteen and four number four overall. Now that's far too high. You look over at overall. Dari kaseke akina right now number. Nineteen that's probably the most accurate in comparison. You look at her. Wj ranking number thirty seven. Actually i don't know i'd probably say she's a low low thirties. High twenty player right now. So probably in between that yellow rating and her actual ranking. But you know her. Breakthrough event was the quarter fund. All it was her run. What was that twenty eighteen. Clay court season and culminated in a twenty eighteen quarterfinal at the french. Open seeing her healthy on these. Clay courts is certainly something. All of us should keep our eyes on you. Book forecast akina last year in her clay court events and she was still sort of finding her form. Bud she did come through qualifying to make the round of sixteen in rome lost as she had to withdraw against visas. She won her first round match before bowing out six zero two arena. Sabah lancashire losses to vika and sap lincoln nothing to bat your at. She absolutely could have a deep run here this week in istanbul. You look at your other seeds. Crutches cova pavel chen cova changwang. Your other seeded players. Trump's your other a notable players kiki madonna. Vich are always. Keep an eye on her funeral. Farrow who wanna title last year and by clay court yellow is the number one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven player via clay court elo rating. She's unseeded here this week. So that's a ton of value. If you're one of those people who appreciate that kaya can nappy. Kettering jaka young pov- mccosh joke rocky. Mova all in the draws and then on a kunia who of course took us all by storm with her result in miami. She is healthy back playing. Wj level event ashi should be in eastern. Both she unseeded. But i believe if you look in the draw kunia to win in her first round match on monday over sarah iran. You actually already had a one. C knocked off as young papova anastazia potapov anastasia pedal ching cova seven six six seven. Excuse me not knocked off. That match suspended Either due to. I don't know if that's a suspension or if that's a win for povo nevertheless That match your big one on the dais in yakovlev was a win. Or golombek a three-set winter chung number eight seed a three-set winner. You look at where we're at now. In the draw a lisa mertens got the dangerous lara. Aruba arena who had a ton of success in boca ta on the clay courts. That's a tough one for first clay court match of the season for mertens by bold. Move by her play. Istanbul over stood guard gets a matches under her belt. Hopefully it means clearly. She's looking to get three or four matches trying to win a few round As opposed to face that high level of competition early in her event but you know for her her section of the draw sin jaka haas on the top half you've also got cooler tova peres. Fun first rounder. Diaz verse canopy should be fun. Boo- cy i credit cova should be a good one. Of course rackham koss joke battle of under twenty talents. You've also got a. I believe fiona phero first-round match taking on petra march. That's your number nine and number eleven players via tennis abstract yellow rating. That's a round of thirty two match so yeah speaks to the quality of play in eastern. Whoever can get through that first round martinez match. I take them to take. Come out of the bottom half or at least make the semi-finals to face cassock kina or konia. I'm rooting for an encore known. Ron but gimme a lisa mertens. This is the sort of events. She's cleaned up over the past few weeks her cooter motto tova. The prospect of that as a semi-final would be very very intriguing and would match up with any semi-final we might see emerge from stood guard. But yeah up in down. You've got a top twenty players. Seven top fifty players eastern bill stood guard should be fantastic week of tennis on the wti tour. Having your own home is awesome. But it's also a lot of work. The good news finding help for your projects is easier than ever introducing angie the app. The puts all your home care needs at your fingertips need a pro to fix emergency leak. Maybe find someone to build a deck or even set your seasonal tasks on autopilot. Angie can handle all that and more expert pros. Hundreds of home projects clear pricing and the easiest way to book and pay in seconds. This is angie your home for everything home. Download the app today. Let's switch gears now and talk about the atp action we have on our hands. This week will start. With the five hundred level event in barcelona number one seed roffe on the doll coming off of a loss in monte carlo in the quarterfinal round win was the last time the loss at two consecutive atp level clay court matches. You'd have to go back to the twenty nine thousand nine season. Barcelona madrid lost semi-finals barcelona to dominic thiem semifinals madrid to stefanos. Ct posse also lost semifinals. Monte-carlo that year to fabio for nina. Of course it's worth reminding everyone. He went on to win the twenty. Nineteen french open. Title knocking off fetter and team in the semifinals and finals. Respectfully now dating back before that. When was the last time he did it before twenty nineteen. You'd have to go all the way back to the two thousand sixteen season that year he lost to murray in madrid. He lost jovovich in rome and then he ended up having to withdraw from his third round match at that year's french open so since two thousand sixteen he's done it twice the twenty sixteen season and the twenty nineteen season that it look for him to bounce back with a vengeance this week in barcelona you look for his draw he's gonna face ilia bosca in his first round match. Would face the winner of nishikori and christian garin. If he can get through that of course you look at tennis. Abstracts clay court ego rating scaring number one. Two three four five six seven eight. He's the number each player via tennis abstracts illo rating on clay courts. Make sense given all five of his. Atp tour titles have come on clay. Given the fact you look for him over these past few seasons uh certainly so much success in the south american swing. You look for him. Last week played a pretty tight match. I believe his loss was to stefanos. was it either to see poss- or two rube love but certainly again. He is a guy who had a ton of success of laid on the clay courts. He's actually unseeded here this week. You look at your top eight seeds. Excuse me doll your number one seed. Poss- number two ru three schwartzman for rb a five six chiappa evolve of seven and then daffyd gofundme eight. I felt the stoop. Gart draw was impressive. You've got ten top twenty players and twenty one top fifty players in the draw in barcelona this week. You've got in terms of your top fifty town centre. Faa garin hatch enough. Rude demon our evans. For niimi nishi nishikori boob lick. Rama's finola vitovich fokina and sharp d. You've also got players like nori. Ti oh alcatraz cope for runing seti and mooner it a who's who in barcelona. This draw is absolutely stacked every section from top to bottom. You look at that an adult quarter. The seeds nidal go fan garin and karen hatchet off. You've also got nishikori and nori peer. Whose air bear who is always dangerous in that section as well the sections absolutely stacked and of course that's sections also seem some results play out nishikori three-set exciting victory over paige. Pammy that match physical but nishikori so disciplined so good in the outer thirds great start to his clay court campaign in vasco straits. Have win over. Greek spor nori straight-sets over salvatori caruso. That's an impressive victory for him and then air bear straight-set win over sa- meat and goal. You look at the other half of the top half of the draw schwartzman and krino booster your top eight seed schwartzman's going to have a tricky first match. Either they're gonna have tivo or carlos alvarez who made his first atp levels semi-final in bay whose forehand will be the biggest weapon on the court in both the tiafoe and the schwartzman matches. Can he stand the test physically. That's the continued question for him. If the answer is yes. Round of sixteen eight legit possibility for the young spaniard at the french open. But of course you've also got koepfer. Winter's gonna play last week. Semi-finalists dan fanini gonna have a tricky first-round match against the patent morales. And then crin booster gonna play thompson or gasquet again. Moving our way down the drought teesta gonna play pablo and tahar. Who was a three-set winner. Over jill simone e jersey. Mom just made things a little bit to physical today in his match against the on accent against a yoke wilfred song. Excuse me song was up in early break. But you're seem of smith a ton of balls on the court extended song to the outer thirds worked in the dropshot since it felt like song a needed to play twelve feet behind the baseline to track. Anything down jesse mov now going to face the dangerous jahic center who of course brutal first round. Draw for him last week against joke. He is defending french. Open quarter-finalist so we know what he is capable of the on the clay. I am fascinated for the romo's manila's rooney match up. I think the winner of that could very much beat adrian mannarino in his first round match of course rube love. Last week's finalists. Going to take on federico gay. Oh dennis chap evolves now got jeremy sharon d. Faa gonna play the winner of lopez and lorenzo. Musetti demon our progress to be an underdog in his first round match. Considering he's lost four in a row as he'll face the winner of the village fokina boob like an end the matchup of the second round. Much like that. Phero matchup against petra martic in eastern. How mooner who doesn't lose at the challenger level on clay anymore who was a finalist in marbella at the atp level. He's gonna take last on. Last week's champions found cd pass. Tough match-up proceed spouse given how much tennessee played last week. But didn't lose a set last week and certainly if anyone's gonna bounce back well physically it's him. That was a five set match. I believe in last year's first round of the french open expecting that one to go the distance expecting some high quality physical tennis but again just from top to bottom the draw in barcelona is absolutely stacked and you look at again The play we have on hand for us tomorrow should be a fun day of action in barcelona. You look up in down the draw tomorrow. We've got kicking off their campaigns Koepfer mutate thompson verse. Gasquet rama's manolas first rooney boob lick first of individual kina was set diverse lopez. Fan going to kick off his campaign against air bear chef of all of shar d. rby playing into har- gerasimov sinner hatch. Nori and then. In my opinion the match of the day seven fifty. Am here on the east coast. Frances tiafoe going to take on carlos alvarez that your action in barcelona in the action in belgrade spain by the way did you see how through the birth alone. I can't help myself every so often. But in terms of the action we have in belgrade spain. In belgrade serbia excuse me novak djokovic always going to play a event on his home soil and you have to respect him playing the to fifty trying to put on a performance for his fans. He's one of two top ten players in the draw. Matteo bertini easing his way. Back into a full tour schedule playing this event as well. You've also got the in my opinion third best player in the world here this year but obviously rising superstar azlan have your number three seed as he looks to establish himself in eighty p level events on clay. You've also got the deuce deuce on live at your four seed crane of it's your five. He survived today by the way six. Three in the third against travel. Leah john. millman your seven seed on knocked off. Danilo petrified went down in early brake against the big serving tall petrovic but ends up winning seven. Five seven six four. you've also got cast miniature eighteen lasso. Jury you're nineteen in terms of some other. Dangerous players in the drought sebastian. Korda gonna take on I believe elliot's korda. Fourth round appearance for him at the french open. Last year can be fun to see him. Play a full level now a full schedule of atp level matches you've also got francisco. Serene dolo taking on alexi popper and those are two big serving big forehand hitting players. That should be some explosive tennis. Also excited to see how guys like meal reuss avoriaz soon will kwon and arthur render neck established themselves at both the atp level of particularly in atp level event on clay. You look overall to top twenty players. Eight top fifty players in belgrade. You start to look at the draw. More specifically for novak djokovic. She'll face the winner of one. Car-based bena car-based spaniels a winner of the challenger last week on clay. So certainly that's dangerous first round potential opponent quantum and played so well of late as well so that will be a fun one you know. Render nikola darrow. Bagnis cast menovich. That's fascinating section court if he wins against bedeviling would play koretz. Who doesn't want to see that match. Our talked about certain dolo papa ryan millman potentially gonna play cuevas or reuss. Avoid the deuce has double bonus or branks cranach mill. Ianovich avert should be fun and then checcinato verse bertini. I'm noticing a lot of country on country crime. Potentially here checcinato verse bertini. That's an all talion match crane of. Its first that's an all serbian match you've got the potential for bagnis darrow. That would be all argentina. I don't know if those are good things or bad things just the observation. You notice looking up and down the drop but again that's your atp action on the week in terms of predictions for belgrave. I guess i could see the winner of that serrano popper and match making the quarterfinal beating laszlo. Juror in the next round. I could see sebastian korda making a run to the semi-final knocking off a car. It's just being that good and just being ready to be a top thirty player. You look by via yellow rating. Sebastian korda overall yellow raining. He's number fifteen by clay court yellow. Rainy he's really only that fourth round experience for him at the french open so he's going to be way lower than that but by yearly he's number ten so you know overall yellow he's fifteen yearly elo ratings. He's ten the number say he's been a top twenty player of late. I'm not quite ready to go there. But certainly he's been top fifty player. Maybe even atop thirty five guy would chuck anyone if coordinated deep run at this event. I don't think so given us an atp to fifty now context to beat to beat. Carrots have to potentially have to beat. Excuse me In the quarterfinals a guy like juror popper. And that's certainly a gauntlet of draw. That's cuffed by two fifty standards. The court has been that good of late so watch for him. I really liked serene dolo. I think he'd beats popper. I think he makes some sort of run in an atp level clay-court event here I mean some sort of run during the european stretch roussev oriane. Clay is fascinating to me as much as it pains me checcinato. Good enclave rich such rock. He's already want to challenge her on the dirt this year so just top to bottom again. The names may not pop out as brightly in belgrade but the depth of the belgrade field. A should be a high quality week of atp action. Who's your trusted source when it comes to your facility questions concerns and needs arses heart true. The world's largest manufacturer of tennis court surfaces equipment and accessories for over ninety years partner with their trusted team of experts all along with collegiate. Great jamie lobe. Alex rabakov and dust and taylor to bring the service provider over thirty professional events annually to your facility whether it's the red clay of the houston. Atp the green clay courts of charleston w ta or the official of world team. Tennis har tru. Has you covered. If you're looking to build a court convert a hard court to clay or simply re surface. 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You've got laslo jury for sean committed share. You've got quarter verse. Pedantic dolo popper in car-based bena kwan. Cuevas roussev and then render neck landeros so do want to throw that in should be a fun day of action on tuesday in serbia but with that in mind talk about the challenges we have on our hands this week. We've got the american action in tallahassee on the green clay. we've got hardcourt events in ecuador than we've got. I believe a red clay event over in rome. Let's start in ecuador where thus far number two seven and eight seeds already knocked out. Kevin king with a three-set win over alejandro. To be low three six six one suci a coochie over six one. Seven six over. Hiroki maria again i i totally book that ticket gucci. Excuse me With that win over. Maria and then camilo yugo car ability a seven six in the third win over number eight seed. Roberto rose you also had nicholas jerry one in one win. In the battle of nicholas's he knocks off nicholas alvarez alvarez won a few months ago so again shows the former top seventy guy in jerry regaining his form menendez. Sierras sell us a win. And then tiago toronto win over vladislav orlov who has been very very good on the circuit over these past fifty two weeks. That's the main draw action. We've seen unfold. Thus far in terms of your dangerous matches lot of former college. Tennis up and down the draw you've got a battle of acc Former acc player skander mandatory wake forest on florida. State z's guys. That's a first-round match. Of course tim been ruben. Tim play college tennis. The big-serving man from the netherlands taking on number one seed utsa taco roach yama. That's an upset alert sort of match you've got. Tcu's nick chapel. Taking on roberto thurgau. Virginia's g. arrigoni taking on l. to chelsea belic us's emilio gomez taking on herman casanova. I believe florida's diego hidalgo nicholas. Maya who else do we have up and down the dry and the other eubanks. George tak form a win for him over dejong. I mentioned alvarez. He went to duke. Kevin king went to georgia tech as well so just down the draw here a lot of fun college tennis ties. You've got number five seed marcelo. Thomas perea still looking to kick off his campaign you've got number three seed. Amelia gomez a number six to pelican than the number one seed. They've yet to start their campaigns but again should be a fun week of action in ecuador and your matches tomorrow number one a three seed gomez and sixty two choke belic. All began five seat by the way. Thomas berea vera all beginning their campaigns in ecuador in terms of the action. We have in a roman only had one main draw them thus far believe row Rain washed everything out in rome. But who go gastonia number five seed a three and four win over or mesto escobedo you look up and down the draw your top seed number one seed. Gregoire berea number two seed who go deli in your number three here. This week powell rienzie your fourth seed. Sebastien opener your other. Seeds guests stone Lorenzo justino steven diaz and one pablo victorious. You've also got born. Go joe former week. For standing. In the draw on pulverized by the way has had a ton of success at the two fifty level of laid. Clemson yanic maiden in the draw. Tennessee cook knock. Who's made a couple of quarterfinals at the challenges. He's played on clay. He's in the dramatize. Borg was a finalist last week. Of course i guys like for Guys like bemoans that beliefs are on a title this year. alex vukic from illinois. Standout was a quarter-finalist last week. So up and down the draw. You've got some very fun. Players allies era. Believe with a semi-finalist last week so rome should be enjoyable and again tomorrow. You've got your number one seed number two seed number three seed number seven. C number eighty number four seed number six seeds all seven seats as well just up and down. The board got a lot of seeds kicking off their campaigns. They've got a lot of play to make up for so the day should be jam-packed in rome and then in tallahassee of course we have our first green green clay american hardcore challenger of the year. You look thus far. Excuse me two of the top eight seeds already knocked off young men well sir and dolo to fifty title earlier the season on the atp red clay here on the green clay. He got under underhand served. He you know his got dropped shot to death. Brandon schnur took advantage of his core. Positioning he on upsets by see the young argentinian. Six four in the third have performance disciplined from schnur. He got creative. He got aggressive. It was very fun to see number. One seed tiago sabbath build goodwin for him in straits over thomas martin etcheverry. You had a win for sakamoto over number three seed profession. Swaran six four in the third. Although again given that match was on clay of an upset that was the twenty three year old brazilian sacramento. Been so good of late beak win for both michael mo and mikhail torpor guard torp much-needed. Six five win over baluchi mo five and six over polanski for soon amina a three one win over american wildcard. Toby co data as well. That's your main draw action thus far you look up and down. The draw orlando champion. Jason brooks be has a very fun for match against fellow town. Too young american martin. Damm one of the low key. Best rivalries of the past. Ten years in american men's tennis ryan harrison taking on donald young. That's a match will see tomorrow in terms of your other first rounders beginning tomorrow kurlovitch for tange slow certainly eat interesting. Quite hausky krueger. Sock jong rabakov could la of roberto. Syjuco men- menendez all of these matches up and down the board. It should be fun week of action. In tallahassee i've fascinated seabrook speed compete on the clay on fascinating to see tiago save build. Can't he find the form he had pre covid pre twenty twenty before the pandemic took everything away. Mukomo always dangerous. Because the physicality he can impose on these green clay courts and then bjorn for tangible. Just moved the ball around the court. So you know handles The speed of these courts so well. If i had to guess right now. I'm going to guess. For tangible of. He can beat college tomorrow. He's gonna come out of that. Bottom half of the draw on the top half of the draw yemi other brooksville mo to emerge the final. Give me a mo brooks be or for tange low five versus for tangible final in tallahassee. Again might see tannen medication on the call so should be a fantastic week of action at the challenger level again to hear more about this. 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Bonus: Season 4 Live Episode

Love Letters

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Bonus: Season 4 Live Episode

"Hey everybody it's the real star of letters meredith sister brett. I'm taking over this ad space today to tell you that meredith goldstein new young adult novel. Things that grow is out march ninth. It's a coming of age story about a girl who learns to deal with are complicated family and her. I love things that grow is fiction. But there's a character loosely based on me in it. And i bet you'll guess just as you can pre-order the book or just order it after march ninth wherever books are sold. Now back to the goldstein. Today i want to tell you about artifact this amazing service where you your friends and family can tell a personal history like your own podcast episode saved for posterity. My sister brett. And i signed up to do it. Goldstein sisters artifact. An incredible interviewer let us tell him. The story of brett's epic eighties bat-mitzvah and it was hilarious. It was actually really moving and at one point. Bread actually cried and then she sang. You can hear it at hey artifact dot com slash love letters. It was an incredible sister. Bonding activity. The service is a great gift for anniversaries and birthdays and for us love letters listeners. Get forty dollars off their first artifact with the code love letters go hey artifact dot com slash love letters from the boston globe and pure. This is love. letters. I'm meredith goldstein. Today we have a bonus live episode for you which we recorded before the holidays in december. We couldn't gather in person of course so we did the next best thing we met in a virtual living room hosted on the app cast k. s. t. It was kind of like being together without actually being together. i was joined by two very smart people. Elizabeth seeger a staff writer at fast company and author of the book the rocket years and my sister brett a love letters regular who always brings her wit and insight and never pulls any punches. I hope you enjoy the episode. Welcome everyone to love. Letters live season for we are here. live the way you are in twenty twenty. Which means in pajama pants. Far away from each other guests can see each other on a video. And i'm just so delighted So it is i- meredith your host and season four has been pretty wonderful and i'll just start by saying that i knew i wanted to do a season about age and lessons. We learn at different ages. Maybe that is. Because i am aging. I guess to all of us. But i started to think about whether i was any smarter about relationships now than i was at fifteen twenty and twenty five and thirty five now forty three and i think i'm smarter in different ways but some lessons i learned when i was really young so i wanted to talk to people who are different ages at different times and it's been pretty great and i have two guests here with me today. we're going to start with one and the other will have her moment and i'm sure you can guess who that is. Liz is our guest today list. You want to just tell everybody about yourself and how far away you are for me physically right now which is actually not that far. Hi yes thank you so much for having me. I'm liz go by elizabeth siegelman And yes. I live in boston just an hour way from you in boston. Traffic and yes so i. I'm a design and fashion writer for a magazine called fast company which is based in new york And i'm also the author of a book called the rocket years. How your twenties launched the rest of your life and it's really about the big decisions that we make in our twenties and how they play out over time and As i was reading the book i spent a lot of time thinking about love and the decisions that we make around our love lines all the chaotic relationships that we throw ourselves into the the lessons that we learn along the way and then the decisions that we make that that go on to to shape the decades that that follow So i've lugged this season. Because i feel like know we've sort of been in conversation you've been conversation with me and my head and before this i actually You know before. I became a journalist. I actually studied classical indian love poetry. I got a phd from berkeley in classical indian. Love poetry. And i think one thing that i love about your podcast is that you explore love in this investigative way and as i was working on my phd it was also very much about how people in third century india explored. Every facet of love in all of its swarms so really. You're doing kind of the modern day version of the third century. Erotic poets of india then is always what i wanted the tagline to be of the of the podcast. And for those of you if you hear a third voice that is my sister brett goldstein. Who we're going to get too soon. And she is here. And we're all here for you. So liz i want. You wrote a book about people in their twenties. And what i found fascinating was i found this book really relevant to me at forty three. And so. I don't know if that means that i am stunted or probably what it means is that these are things we should all be thinking of. And can you talk a little bit about how you set up the book because you sort of talk about how to build a life which i find fascinating like what are the parts of a life that bring happiness that. Bring joy that make you feel like rounded as a person so you go about choosing the topics that you know those little facets of of a person's life to focus on so i spent a lot of time thinking about what decisions were making in our twenties and what i discovered is that most people in their twenties are are focused on three things. Actually for millennials and gen z. It's just one thing and that is career for this. Generation career is kind of the dominant focus in our twenties and it makes a lot of sense. There's a lot of pressure on our generations of so i'm a millennial and gen z. There's been a lot of pressure on us to find not only a job that pays the bills but also job that is kind of an extension of who we are because we know that we're going to be working for decades right. It's going to take over our whole lives. So in many ways for people in their s career is the dominant focus and in fact it's displaced love as a main focus right one generation ago and then Generations before that you know people were thinking about career but they were also deeply forest on this idea of building a family and for those of us who were born in the eighties beyond you know. We've sort of shifted a lot of decision making about family and love Later right and so so anyway. The things that we focused on in our twenties tends to be a career and then as we had from our twenties and thirties we begin to think about in whatever form We choose to enjoy it and then family but you know it was so fascinating. I spent a lot of time on those topics in the book. But what i discovered actually is that i think a lot of what researchers have found create a really rich life. Don't have to do with the things that we're thinking about twenty s. It's all things that we're not really focused on in our twenties. That end up really shaping kind of how happy we are in life so things like we were just talking about this before. But you know. A person's hobbies have such a huge impact on their lifelong passions their intellectual engagement with a world their physical fitness their emotional health that i didn't spend any time in my twenty s thinking about hobbies. That was kind of the last thing on our minds. Our friendships our circle of friends. That's another thing that we sort of take for granted in our twenties. But you know there's a lot of research that shows that as time goes on you know it's the people who hold onto their friends and are able to have a rich community that they bring with them throughout the decades after that That end up having the the end up living longer. Actually people who have circles of friends have have longer richer happier lives. That's another thing. I really wasn't thinking about things. Like our faith our Relationship with our bodies you know our political persuasions all of these things actually have a really big impact on our happiness and Just who we ended up becoming throughout our lives and so really the book kind of explorers all of these dimensions. But i think the key thing that i would love people to take away is that he knew. I think there's already so much pressure on young people to spend their twenties making really good decisions. And so i think a lot of people feel kind of bogged down by this anxiety of trying to make all the right choices but actually i think one of the big tensions in our twenties is tension between on the one hand trying to make really smart decisions that will set us up for life but also wanting to go out there and be free and make all of our mistakes and all of the wrong people and quit her job and moved to india. Which is exactly what i did and i think that really the thing that i want people to leave with is that it's actually both of these things that that really make us who we are right. We can't make good decisions in life unless we know who we are and we know what the world is all about and that requires us to be free to go out there and explore and it's really sort of in in balancing these two experiences in our twenties. I think that we come out figuring some of the stuff out. And that's what really propels us in decades to come so there's one thing that i would leave with people it's it's don't you don't feel so bogged down with the anxiety of trying to make all the right choices because it's actually in the process of being free to try things out even if it results in failure that that that help you really figure out what you want from well. It's interesting are one of our guests. This season monaco. O'neill who was the main guest for an episode about ghosting and she talked. She's a you know. A mental health professional right like psychologist. Who talked about how she does not believing goes to. She does not want us to do it. By the way she talked about maturity and what we know about it from that perspective and that are probably gonna say this wrong but mental cortex our decision-making brain for men for women usually solidifies at twenty three for men. Twenty eight making the average about twenty five and and so you know there was a lot of conversation at the start of the pandemic wire. All these you know early twentysomethings rounding out and going to bars. And whatever and i'm thinking well ok like this sort of decision. Making brain is even fully formed in some cases at that age. So it seems like it'd be way too much pressure to expect any twenty-three-year-old to make decisions for the forty three year old inside of them. So it's sort of good to know that even though you've written a book about the importance of this of of your twenty s part of that importance is is making mistakes. I have to wonder about twentysomethings right now. Many of whom feel like they lost a year right and that well everybody feels like this was a year. That either drastically changed them. Perhaps they feel like they lost it. I feel like much younger. People feel that. And then someone like me. But i'm also thinking it's been a timed for older people to truly do some reprioritising so one of the reasons we we're talking about hobbies and what liz wrote about twenty somethings hobbies Is because brett. And i didn't think hobbies were a thing until like a year or two ago like we. We actually used to joke and make fun of people who had hobbies. Because we're like what's a hobby like my hobby is watching tv. My hobby is going to a restaurant. But like i'm not gonna like knit or like now since pandemic started. I realize i love taking walks. My sister and i are playing mahjong online. With with a group of women we are fully becoming the old jewish ladies. We were meant to be But like we're realizing that there's great character building activities. You do just for pleasure. So are there you. Talk about millennials. But like for gen xers like us and even for some millennials. They're probably a lot of lessons here to. What did you apply to yourself when you were researching this book. I think that. I personally am so fascinated with our twenties because they're this period where we are discovering who. We are for the first time and we develop all of these fascinating insights about who we really. Are you know what we really love who we love the kinds of people that we really connect with. We discover what our great ambitions are and a lot of that comes through hard fought Disasters right like it's taking all those jobs. That didn't pan out. Its dating all those people that that didn't that didn't end up being the right. Fit for us We learn so much about who we are. And i think that through that decade you know and by the time we get into our mid thirties. We have a certain clarity that allows us to sort of drive ourselves forward. And i feel like you know in those years. All of those insights are so helpful in helping us feel like we want to go out there and and live this life that we've we've sort of began to imagine our minds and then what happens is happened to me. You know by the time you sort of get into your mid thirties. You found you know. Hopefully you found a job that you really like and it sort of a little bit mundane you might take it for granted. You finally figured it out the kind of person that you want to be with. And in my case i got married and it was so dramatic. You know and full of excitement. Try finding my partner and then we finally found each other and we decided that we were the right fit and we got married and then life became you know changing our daughter's diapers and going grocery shopping. And you know. I just feel like as time goes on. You know a lot of the the beautiful discoveries that we make sort of fade into the background and i think that we we we get stuck in this. Rut where we're kind of living out. This is not really appreciating it and not pushing ourselves forward to continue discovering things about ourselves and continuing to to live our best lives really and so i think a pandemic gives us a moment to pause and think about what it is that we really want from the decades that we have left right and i think a good place to go when we're trying to figure out what to do with those years is just sort of reconnect with who we were in our twenties to remember all of the fun and exciting experiences we had but also you know the mistakes that we made the freedom that we experienced the love and the passion and that we that we had that might seem like such a faraway concept. Now i think reconnecting with with that person that we were can really help us as we continue to plan you know what to do with the next years to come and so i don't know maybe that was part of what what resonated with you. Yeah i mean. I think for me. Yeah i was like oh a lot of these things you know. You mentioned gen xers or no. I'm sorry. john's ears specifically being interested in career. And for me. It was all career in friends like i needed my friends and certainly my family but like love love was not on my like major list of things to do you know and nor were hobbies. Obviously right so i think some of these things i'm like maybe maybe right we'll see But i want to talk a little bit about the love part of it because obviously we are love letters which is that often. People are making choices about their entire lives And what they might want to partner sometimes in their twenties sometimes in their thirties and we we dedicated a whole third season to. How do you know right. Various forms of that question. Can you give us a little sample sort of of of you. Approach this book as a journalist. I should say not as a mental health professional but as somebody who interviewed a ton of people. So i'm wondering how people talk to you about how they chose a partner for life when they only knew themselves as an adult for maybe five to ten years. You know i think it's so interesting I loved writing that chapter. And i loved you know thinking about You know all of the different research that has come in over the last couple of years. That have really helped us understand what is going on when pick a partner and i think that we're actually so fortunate because the concept of love has existed in society from the beginning of time from the poetry that i was look that i was studying in grad school was all about a desire for love and a soulmate but actually for most of human history people were not able to really find somebody and and marry somebody that fulfilled that kind of a soul mate role You know for most of human history. People have to be very pragmatic about the choices that he made about who they married and There was also there. Are all these other. Societal forces right there were that many people surrounding you you know. In the third century there there was a few people in your village a certain number of them would be marriageable age and perhaps a few of them would be in the cast that you were allowed to marry into you and so that determined you know who you would end up with right and yet the women who wrote these poems still had this desire for for this for somebody that they could really love and who would really understand them and and what we know is that most people didn't have now that has completely changed over the last hundred years but actually even in the sixties a lot of women i think something like sixty percent of women said that you know love was only part of their consideration when they got married right because a lot of women did not have source of income and so you know part of their decisions still really have to be pragmatic now. All of that has changed since about the You know about really about the eighties. Actually you know now. All we can really make choices about who we marry based entirely on our preferences and that's partly because you know women now have access to jobs. They can support themselves and so money is much less of a consideration. And so then you know. Scientists have been trying to study. What does it really mean. When we talk about soulmates. Right like the concept of so may have existed throughout all of eternity. You know. Plato was talking about it in the symposium but what is it really and all of the psychologists and the social scientists who sort of work through. This have really come to the conclusion. That that soulmates mates are really people who share a lot of commonalities in terms of their socio economic background and their life experiences and there are people who actually know each know each other very well partly because of shared experiences And so what we're seeing. Is that in the modern world now. you know the the divorce rate is actually going down and that's partly because people who are very similar to one another are able to to find each other and get married and actually we actually have this amazing new matchmaker called like dating apps and it's becoming even easier to find people who are similar to us and so automatically know to answer this age old question like who who is it that you know. It's really somebody who is quite similar to us across a lot of different dimensions mostly socio economic and so while it's really great that we now know what makes a couple really feel connected to one another and what lays the groundwork for a good long and happy marriage. I'm the downsides. All of this pairing up with people who are very similar to ourselves is that it's actually. It's actually exacerbating the the wealth gap in the country right because people who are actually you know very similar in terms of how much money they had growing up. You know whether they were able to go to college the kinds of colleges. They went to things like that. People are pairing off like that. So what i would say. Is that one interesting side effect of this. That people who are similar to each other are pairing up and having kids and you know and it's just kind of a. It's kind of exacerbating this. You know the the economic gap that's happening and that's really interesting. And i think this comment might be for monica. O.'neil she's going to have to tell me if that's really her in there but she says marriage is no longer has for women to own property have money to bear children This is this is true. And when i read all my regency romance novels and they talk about a love matches an anomaly. Like it's very telling but it's interesting you talk about class and how we couple up because i need to preface this by saying they are not a sponsor of this podcast episode. So it's hilarious. I'm about to bring this up. But i recently said to a friend what i'm really looking for in a partner is the casper mattress of men. I swear to god. Let let me explain myself. Because because i was like so i feel like i'm like now hyping a brand that is i. I really need to know about somebody who is a journalist who has written about casper. This this is really hilarious. Because what is also hilarious about my relationship to casper. Is that like i one of the first things i did when i moved into my this place that i'm living in as i bought a mattress. It was recommended to me. I bought one of them. I bought one for the room. That is the guest room slash pressroom and and it's like you know it's affordable for some. It's it's it's like that it's like it. Feels like a pretty good mattress for for a money that i could afford right and i like it a lot right and i felt good about it and then cast for at one point. Advertisers love letters. And i was like i wonder if i could have gotten a free minutes already but anyway. We'll edit that out probably but anyway. The point is is that i was like. I'm sure there are like five thousand dollar mattresses. That would like fucking rock my world and i would feel like i'm sleeping on like whatever and i and i'm sure i probably could sleep on like a like a like whatever like a futons. Because i know i did for years when i was younger but like it's i don't know why i was saying that about like the kind of partner i'd be looking for but what i really meant was like someone comfortable and who would be comfortable with my type of comfortable and but it's interesting that my instinct was to put it in terms of affordability and quality in a way that now seems quite cynically financial. It's that's what was so fascinating about writing that chapter because we talk about love in this kind of mythic like incredibly like you know like expressive kind of way right. We love to talk about it. Like in these poetic terms like oh this person really look into his eyes and he just totally gets me right. What is that. That is basically. This person has had similar life experiences to you. Maybe has read similar books. In the core curriculum it has university and therefore has the same reference points that you do but how you experience it as a person is in the sense of be really known and understood right and then you think about like you know marriages right and the kinds of areas of conflict in the areas of compatibility and yeah. I mean it kind of makes sense that you know if you have a shared understanding of money. shared values around education. The these issues that might come up in a marriage like where you're going to spend your money. You might have where you're going to send your child to school that kind of thing you know. Those are sort of like you know easy to to manage when when the person that you're with is from a similar socio economic background and so what kind of disappointing about all of this is that we really are still in that regency novel world right. We're just making our decisions ourselves instead of having society dictate to us what you know. We're like who we should marry right. We have we're making those choices for ourselves now but it is. It's so interesting to me that that the feeling of passion and love and understanding compatibility really often can be traced to things like essentially class and socio economics. Also say that. When i read these regency romance novels like often there. Some horrible like a lot of character sometimes after quarantine. So it's actually been interesting to read right now because it's like oh like a ship came in there all quarantine now and i'm like dude i understand. So that's sorry. It's a little bit of a downer. But so i want to get to some questions so the first thing i wanted to say is anybody. Who's in the chat if you have not says and there was only one bed casper mattress. That's what would happen in a romance novel. Walk into a room and it's like it was him. It was me. There's only one bed it's good. It's a. It's a solid tropes meek. You a perfect. It's like a twin bed right. So i'm just reminding everybody. You can absolutely drop questions for any of us in the chat before we move onto a next segment. I just wanna talk about gender for one second because we've been talking a lot about women can now do. This woman can do that and women looking for partners. And i'm wondering just in a in a wider look at. That's not just to talk about women or straight women in this changing of defining what one seeks out in love. How has this affected like what what did twenty something men tell you. Oh yes oh. Basically the fact that women can work now in that women. Are you know. Have a broader choices. Basically is what you're asking kind of. We'll just you know. I think we're talking about these experiences of twenty existence as as very singularly Women women's experience you know. Obviously you know whether it's would love or anything else like this is something obviously across the board. Whether you're gay straight you know no matter your gender like your your your twenties. Are you know so. I just wonder sort of how that played into the lens of the book. It's so interesting that something interesting has happened. Which is that as you were saying. You were singularly focused on career in your twenties And that's true of both men and women who are millennials and gen z. Now right career has become the predominant focus of people's twenties. And i think that because of that men and women are in some ways on a more similar timeline than than previously right because in the past when women were not as able to To feel like they were self sustaining right and be because women have fewer options on the you know on the the the mark in the market in terms of finding a job Women were were really sort of more focused on romance in their twenties right because it was it was very crucial to their lifelong stability and happiness right whereas for a man. It was very much about like you know finding a good job And so what's happened now. Is that both men and women in. Their twenties are generally focused on their careers. And then what happens. Is that in their late twenties and early thirties. Things begin to shift and for women it's primarily because they begin to feel their biological clock ticking and if having a family is something that they were considering suddenly the issue of marriage becomes You know kind of looms larger right in their in their thinking and and and that's that's usually you know when men also begin to think about these things A point that i would make though is that because everything about the way that we that society operates is is totally changing right before our eyes. There's a significant number of young people today. Who don't wanna have kids. And i thought that that was really fascinating. An awesome that for a long time. People who who didn't want to have children Didn't feel like they could talk about it openly. Didn't feel like they can necessarily talk to their partner about this but now there are lots of men and women who have decided that this is just not for them and they can pair up and they can they can make choices together and then they they can live that life together but yes. so basically. What happens is that Men and women tend to be on a pretty similar time line More generally now. I think that that's actually really good. Because i think that they're all of these tropes right from all of the literature we're talking about of women being the ones who care more about like you know women women are search tactics rom coms right because all they're thinking about is the fluffy romance stuff. I i think that all of that was actually historically situated in in cultural realities right like you know for most of human history finding a partner for a woman was crucial to her survival right and it manifested itself in novels and in rom coms right in this kind of own women. Only care about romance and men are much more focused on other more important things. I think that's slowly beginning to way. And i think that's a good thing i think that's part of equality being the reality that said that said women do have this issue right where they're far more connected to their biological talk right and and their window for having kids Is is is is younger than than for men and so one thing that i've heard a lot during this pandemic is that we're talking about this last year. I think that a lot of women are feeling that much more profoundly than men because a lost year. You know in this time line that they had is kind of a big deal right like you know if if they were planning you know for this to be the year that they were going to start seriously looking for a partner. And they're they're in their mid mid thirties. A year is a significant amount of time right. It's a year where you know if they aren't able to find somebody at and things are happening much slower because of dating online And not really getting to meet people in person. I mean this might create conversations now about like should. Should i be using my eggs. You should i. Should i think about me having children by myself right these kinds of questions whereas men. That's one area where there still is this inequality right. A lot of men are not thinking about that. A lot of men feel like they still have time to to continue trying to find the right partner. So what i would say that to sum up i think one good thing about the way things are changing is that men and women seem to be sort of getting closer to that the same time line in terms of thinking about these issues and there's no longer this bifurcation between men carrying about serious things like careers and women carrying about love and babies right. I think that's going away But the realities of our biology still are holding us back in some ways right. Well i i think for twentysomethings. Obviously there are a lot of hopeful things here. Which is you can do all this preparation. And and i will also say that i completely agree and that at forty three. I think even my men friends my straight man friends who have had so evolved Especially for a long time like they're often the most romantic people in my life. There are often the people who are really really interested in finding a partner. They're interested in building families and they were so in their thirties I i do not have a biological clock. But when i hit thirty six i was like i kinda need a bigger place for my cotton. Candy machine But i do. But i do another thing that i would say about relationships and networks during this pandemic is that as much as i've never wanted to have kids. I love my friends kids and kids in my family and it has been just absolutely desperately weird and strange not to be able to help Friends with kids right now Because that's sort of what you're cool friend with no kids and supposed to be there for britain. I both are. I mean less Breath taking her head now But but i don't mind helping friends with kids. And i think that you know my promise to everyone has been that after this. I will do some major babysitting but think it's highlighted the importance. When i was much younger. I think my twenty something friends. When i was a twenty something would always be like. Oh like are you sure. You don't wanna have kids. You sure you don't wanna have kids. I think they felt like not doing. It would create a divide between us in terms of our life experiences. When in fact now they're like thank god because they have someone in their life who can listen and who can show up you know a normal non pandemic pandemic situation and i think if you're listening to this and you're saying oh actually kids are not a part of that like you. I think one of my great fears in my twenties was everybody's going to go off and have kids and have families. And where will i be floating and the truth is like you don't wind up floating. I mean i think there are certainly moments where you can go out and your friends can't and you know i talk a lot about how i made younger and older friends at that point who were also very available on a friday night in a way that my friends with toddlers were not and then everybody comes back to you. So it's it's a nice thing when we come back. Listen brett talk about the secrets to sustaining along term relationship and they take some questions from the audience. That's after a short break. 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So there we go right and see the producer of of levellers podcast. Scott helman was joking that we get so close to not having to label an episode like as explicit and then and then we have to label it explicit and there. Although i think i might have had a bad word before you but anyway welcome to the dave i i know you raise me well So so basically the three of us represent two two generations if you will gen-x millennial And brett is married to millennial brett's husband is a millennial right ten years nine to ten years younger right So i just thought brett like one question. I wanted to ask you is like. Do you feel like as you get older. You get smarter about relationships or does it sort of just like reset and you just learn different things at different times. And i don't mean to ask you that as if like you're the old lady of the podcast because you're not i'm just asking now. At what forty. Seven right If that's something that you've really thought about like. I'm getting better at this. Or i'm getting calmer about this or just for younger listeners. Like what is there to look forward to getting smarter in my own relationship. Is that what you mean like in a romantic relationship. Are you talking about relationships in general general. Your romantic relationship. Yeah i would say like obviously you've been married for years now and and but i'm sure there's less sweating the small stuff than there might have been ten years ago or maybe there's more sweating the small stuff i don't know so i'm just sort of wondering how that's evolved. That i was just gonna say you sweat the small stuff less. And then i was like. Don't say that you cheesy bitch and then you just said it so now i feel much better but it's exactly what i was always that we have the same genetic cheesy bitch inside of sits yet so true so cheesy is it can embarrass you. If i point out the plaque behind me by the way oh can say now. Now you have to do it because and will whatever we can edit it out so but let me give you some sort of. It's sort of weird and creepy and sad though. It's so sad so many of you probably know that our father is alive and well and living in vermont and and our mother unfortunately pet who was quite wonderful passed away in two thousand thirteen and before she did. We moved her to boston. And that involved cleaning out our maryland house and moving her to to boston. And when i was about five years old there was a school project where everybody for mother's day had to say why they loved their mothers and then we had to illustrate it and the teacher would write it because we didn't really have the ability to write and so apparently when the teacher asked me. Why do you love your mother. I said i love my mommy. Because she isn't fat but she's on a diet. So i clearly and then i drew and then i drew rainbows so i believe that is actually also on the right supposed to be my mother. What it really highlighted was that we had quite an interesting relationship with it with food in our house like shellacked also made it interesting relationship with shellac. I think the teachers selected. But what's amazing that the teacher didn't force me to say something else. But we what what's interesting. What's interesting is that my mother than displayed it in our home through the rest of our lives so that it never was weird for me to see it. Because i was like well of course. That's why i love my mother anyway. It's so weird so anyway. Brett has it now on display in her house sick. One of those childhood unpack that chip in one episode for a different for like a podcast. Like what's the one. I'm thinking of heavyweight. That's for heavyweight. A different goldstein's podcast. So anyway all right so brett. Answer that question right okay. So one thing. I've noticed an embolism wondering if it's like for you to with your bed because we both at ben's right like were both married abedin's that's funny. Yeah is that i specially with the age difference being almost ten years. There's still just fucked up shit that used to do all the time like if if the rare occasion we get into a fight I i would pull a hit below the belt a lot like a lot of you know you're a man child and like you like i'm married a boy and like just there's all this character. Assassination stuff 'cause can be a real seaward and like an now. I know he's trained me. Well it's like now. I know you're not gonna get yourself anywhere if you want this to be your partner for the rest of your life. You know you guys get on each other's nerves sometimes sometimes you're not going to agree with each other's choices and it doesn't mean that you can't talk it through but like the big epic chromatic bullshit like just not worth it because the more worked up i get I wish i had known this. My twenties know about roy matter what it is The more physically fucked up. I get like in my case. Autoimmune issues and chronic pain and inflammation so one of the things that i actively work at every day is like making sure that ben gets the acknowledgement and the gratitude. And the and the icu. And you're adorable and you're funny and you're gorgeous and your wonderful because i feel like it. A lot of witton is not bullshit blowing smoke up. somebody's ass. I feel like it especially with men a lot of the times. It's like it's not that easy like that's a shitty wave saying it but it's it's the it's that they don't feel seeing all of us. It's like we don't feel seeing. We don't feel appreciated. We don't feel like we get the recognition for what we bring to the relationship. And the older i get more. I'm like just be present with this person. Get your head out of your ass in la beilin for second and pay attention to him and go like you fucking rock and like an that goes so far. That's like you know. I don't know somewhere i read once about guys with. There's a point system in their mind. I don't know if you've ever read that before. They like like a sweeping generalization. But i will accept for the moment. Okay go on harm. It wasn't like wasn't the moore's meanest thing or some other one of my million self help. Books that i love like like did they just that. They often go on a point system. Like i get points for doing this earlier. Points deduct. i don't know. I don't know i feel like if we're in a world of points like that that that gives you a lot of points towards like warm everyday lovely relationship maintenance because one that i don't find interesting i don't think i ever did. But now that. I really know the the bickering and all that shit or like or even the fights like what do you think it's gonna get you. There is a way of communicating. And he's really trained me how to do this even though he's younger. There's a way of communicating. Where you can just take a deep breath. Take the time out that you need to come down and then really just worked through something together where you you have your eyes set on your super objective. Which is love like. I want to be in this marriage. I want to stay in this marriage. I love this person. So everything you do comes from that place whereas before i think of my younger days it was more about like i'm right. You're wrong your piece of shit in a fucking idiot but brent. You know it's so interesting. I feel exactly the same way that Yeah i mean but you know. It was very emotional. Our fights were awful in dramatic but then the makeup was the makeup sex and then making up was really great. I would say that it was just hard for me to. I didn't have as much self control back then. Like part of this was like i was literally physically and emotionally unable to not have that fight whereas now i feel like with everything else. That's going on. And other stresses if the world i. I don't know it's just easier for me to do the things that you're saying. And i hope that i get better at it because i'm still not great. You know would you agree that part of it was also just like i probably knew that i shouldn't have this big dramatic fight but i just couldn't stop myself. Perhaps although i think that lately mindfulness is so built into our education and social media and our culture and whatever that may be we would have been smarter a little bit smarter. But you're right. I mean i although even at forty seven especially when it comes to work things. I'm still like very volatile like i. I get triggered so easily especially manner our team and industry so no. I probably wouldn't have self control. But maybe i would have. I don't know like if i just kept thinking like what's your goal my issue in my twenties i was in a relationship with one guy the whole time and i never once thought like. Oh do you wanna marry him or not. Like i don't think i looked kept tabling. It and then. I woke up one day in my thirties. You went this is the person for me. He hasn't done anything wrong. But i don't think this is it so i don't know if i gave as much of a shit back then but mayor probably remembers. No yeah i i. I don't know that you know brittany one wonderful thing about our mother that that brett has also questioned a little bit too is that she never pressured us to get married like she was like go. Go do your thing right so i don't know that either of us in our twenties That we believe we had to think about it. And the only reason i say it was like really great but also questionable was that brett said in her late thirties when she was really ready to get married. While maybe had mom been that pressuring mother we would have gotten on a little bit more but So here's a question that i believe might come for monaco but again. She needs to tell me if it's her but If you're taking questions what were you. It's me she says yes it is. It is podcast and incredible relationship expert monica. O.'neil should go goal. That's monica right. Who Again for those who missed it. Had this incredible episode of this season about ghosting has really made me rethink it. The question is what were you looking for in a partners in your twenties and thirties two. That is different now. And i think monica that my answer would be like one massive shruggy emoji but Do too when i answered totally. You know it's interesting. So i met ben my husband when we were nineteen in college and he was actually the perfect husband material right like he's he was he's always been very stable and even tempered and had his eye on like starting a family and everything and i i kind of felt like you know he would be great right when i was nineteen and then i turned twenty one and i was like fuck this shit i was like. I don't want this. And i i wanted to see what else was out there for me. And the stability of this nice kind person was just boring to me. Like i wanted to go out there and kind of test the limits of like everything my sexuality what the world had to offer what what was out there for me in terms of like you know men and women right and i discovered that actually. I was really really grateful for that for those years. I moved i quit. I quit. I broke up with bad. I moved to london i start. I dated a sculptor Backpack through europe with a woman and it was amazing and it was just you know i needed to see all of that but what i discovered is that like after having seen all of the different types of people that were out there and i discover that actually the things that i was attracted to initially at nineteen. Were actually the things that i wanted in life. But i i think if i had sort of stayed with ben throughout that whole time i wouldn't have appreciated it because the whole time i would have been asking myself. Is there something. That i want more than stability. Is there something that i want more than just kindness and decency right like do i want somebody who's like a passionate artist who who comes to the dinner table every night with like amazing ideas. Well i tried that and that person turned out to be fascinating but also volatile and like you know. His feelings for me were as volatile as his feelings towards the art right. And then you know i was like well. Maybe i wanna be with somebody who's like You know like you know like more religious right. Because you know. I'm i'm religious in ban wasn't at the time and and then i was like well this person is you know. Religion was like a religion can also. I didn't realize until i dated this person that that religion can be a source of liberation. But it can also be a source of constraint and i needed to experience that so anyway my point is that i think that in our twenties and this is born out as well in my book i think in our twenties. It's really valuable that we have this instincts to want more than the things that i think. Make make a good marriage right stability and the the you know the decency and the kindness. I think that we like a lot of people. And i'm among them. Have this thirst or china. See you know what the world has to offer and see see what what love at. Its raw looks like. I think that that's a very valid and valuable thing. Because i think unless you give yourself the opportunity to try to see what what's out there when you do decide on the qualities that you're looking for you don't you don't spend the rest of your life wondering what else was out there for you right and then so anyway. Eventually you know. I reconnected with ben and you know we quickly got married. And there's i don't ever once wonder like you know is there. Should i be with artist right trying to be with somebody who's like more creative or more passionate or more more religious or whatever. I never once asked that question donnie way. That's my answer. I can't wait to hear what you're gonna say So when judd appa tau kinda like became a thing. I remember seeing seth rogan and being like. That's it like that's the i'm gonna marry and in fact I was dating my ben now and this other guy who liked was airforce and owned a house and drove alexis and had two big dogs and like any. And he. I think he just never met a jew and so he was like he was from the upper peninsula of michigan. And i think he was like. Oh my god. She's so funny. And clever and i didn't realize i was walking stereotype anyway like like i was dating him. You should see the look on merit face space. I brought him to passover seder and he was like crying during diana new and there was like slowly shaking her head. And you know. I took all sorts of abuse From not only meredith put my aunt and uncle for bringing him to save her. Because you know he like also made a lot of money in grandma and grandpa really liked him. Meanwhile the whole point is. I add those intervention at seder in the basement by very tall aunt and uncle because they were like. You don't love him. You love ben. And i remember even on on my first date with that guy i was wasted and i went upstairs to p Back when these. Because he's still single. Set me up he might. He might still be single. We should you married be married meredith. He married a girl had some okay. Fine look had some questions questions That was hilarious. So so like e e yay they might even have a kid by now. I don't know anyway. Like i but yeah. This guy was great. He was gay totally great. And that's not a bad thing. I anyway. I remember peeing. 'cause the when i saw him i was like he's so out of my league so i was like hand gonna have like two pitchers of beer and a bunch of wings and fries. I'm a fat fuck like our first date. And i remember going upstairs to p and they had knocked up advertisement like on the wall in the bathroom of the bull. Moose saloon on west forty four street ninth avenue and i remember being leg like in kind of my blackout. Like looking at that face. And being like the thatt's guy and dot in ben broke a slight especially then exactly like seth rogan and the and i think part of this came from american even jumping around too much she reported. This came from mom. Basically being like you can never ever in sorry doubt if you're listening to this but like you can never depend on a man to support. You have separate checking accounts and and you just know. You'll always be the breadwinner. I don't know if she said that to. You marinate but she said that. I think it was i think it was. It was implied in the reasons they got divorced. It was implied in her. Being the breadwinner of the family and also posted a divorce. Really taking on the burden of you know whatever financial situation there was so yeah i yeah it was it was explicitly said and i think it was also said an example right at thirty four. When most i think women would have their clock's ticking and free in the fuck out and like an also. Most intelligent women would beat this new yorkers especially would be like. I need to find somebody who at least can match me when it comes to making living and somebody who has their head on straight. I married a guy that made bonk's furling a living and still does and not in lake ito. I'm i'm raking in thousands of what it now like. Eat okay. he so anyway he. He's an artist right. Beautiful beautiful work. He does yes. Yes but this is not an area where i breathe easily and go. Oh i'm totally taking care of. I was i. I'm still in this belief system of you. You have to be the breadwinner in the family. So if i could do differently. And here's the thing. Though in a way. I would've never stuck with ben. I would've never dated him. If i hadn't had those beliefs that i had like but if i were to completely wipe them off the planet 'cause now super happy It's not like that dynamic. Ever changed between the two of us. But i'm happy that i'm with him because he's so fucking good for me and meredith likes and meredith hated. Everybody for the most part. Did i also love by the way that you're like you look at a poster of seth rogan. And you're like i want that. And then you get it. And i look at a poster robert pattinson and i'm like i want. That has an has it. Well you're not working really hard without trying. I was like right. it's also pattinson anyway We're not says keep visualizing in the comment section. I trust me i'm visualizing secret and rubber pets okay all right. We are running out of time. So we're going to have an abridged part three part. Three of this live podcast. Taping is going to be my posing questions. I received in the letters column because of course it is an advice column. And for those. Who don't know that you can check it out at boston. Dot com slash love letters Send your own letters But i'm going to ask two questions and the first one is kind of similar to something we just talked about. deer meredith. I've been married to my husband for fifteen years. We were in college and we met when we had no money in the beginning since college. He has continuously made more money. That i have and has inherited some money from a relative who passed away a few years ago. He never told me how much she inherited. Because he's private about that sort of thing. I see how keeping things separate earn advantage to him. Perhaps that's why he'd like to keep it that way. But i use most of my check to pay half of the bills and it's occasionally a hardship for me. Sometimes i borrowed money from friends and family to make it work. I believe he should pay a larger share of the household expenses because he makes more but he thinks if i can afford my portion i should if i cannot afford portion i should either get a better job or cutback on personal expenses and by the way this literature says they love their job She says. I know it's different for every couple but i thought that some married people put all their money into a household account paid the mutual bills. The richer one helped the poor one out. He does not see it this way. So what would you say to a person experiencing this kind of financial argument with a partner. Because i think i was like go to a therapist and a financial adviser and also get out. Also i was. I thought i was so upset. When i saw this this question because it just seems like there's this person doesn't really care that much about her if he's willing to let her borrow money to pay for her side of the rent when he can afford his side and more i mean what does he think that marriage really is about right like anyway. My advice is i think it's a very sort of antiquated idea. That couples need to pull pool all our money and have the same bank account right And actually my bed. And i went to a financial planner when we were younger. And we discover that we actually have very different spending patterns. He doesn't spend money and i do. So you know that's that's you know. And and so basically we decided that That we wanted to sort of not share with each other everything that we're buying because it would just stress us out right like i don't think he wants to know how much money is spent on address and and i don't wanna know you know like how much he spent on our new stereo system or whatever right like it just. It was just stressful. But i think the financial planners still said that we should we should be thinking about a joint future and that's what was important right and that we should be thinking about how we can be contributing to that together and so what we do is we. We basically have joint goals and we we pool our money there and we pool it. Frankly based on a percentage of earning so if he's earning more than i am then we break it down that way and that's been working really well for us And so. I don't know of that might work for this person but i think underlying this question. It's a far more profound and painful issue. Which is that this got. Her partner just doesn't seem to give a fuck about her and how she feels right. Yeah and by the way this. What you just said reminds me of the season. Three episode where bret talks about her finances with her ben and buying dresses specifically which cracks me up and and we have the same relationship Brett and i literally everything you just bad. But the the spending habits the reaps. Anyway i think we may be married to the same person. He's thirty years makes a their thirty seven called. Ben brett. come on. there's this one guy just one guy all wait. We have to move onto our next letter and this is i have to say when you know like i agree with everything list says. But also this guy's a big bag of dicks. Let's go ahead. That i see i love when you are so concise and you're just like that's you know. Yeah okay. this is going to be a pandemic letter So you know for those who are listening in five years when we're in our roaring twenties and wearing really funky hats and enjoying ourselves you'll remember this time of what brought to us meredith. I'm twenty six. I met my boyfriend right before the pandemic. When lockdown hit we stayed in touch virtually for two months face timing every weekend for hours and coming up with ways to get to know each other since meeting in person. We've spent every weekend for the last five months together. We've gone on many trips around the state national parks. It's been a lot of fun and we've been through a lot together. It's my first relationship that has lasted this long. But he's and he's most of what i would want in a partner he's incredibly carrying kind invested and perhaps most really listens to me. The problem is that. Although i always want to see him and i care for him. I've never felt a strong connection that allows me to see a future. I have a very hard time. Seeing a future passed the pandemic. I told him this and he told me. It was okay continuing to date if i needed more time. So we've kept going. He does see a future. I think the right thing would be to break up. But i don't wanna throw away what we've built. It also feels wrong to break up with someone in an otherwise healthy relationship when the only thing that's missing is a passion that i somehow can't feel i know i love him but i'm not in love with him after six months. I don't know if that'll change. Should i invest more time in this. I also have to admit that. I'm really scared to be alone right now. And this person signs it stuck. I mean i had an answer. But i wanna know what you guys think. I and by the way for those watching the sun is like as the sun is going down in boston. I feel like i'm fading into the night but my camera What i would say is that we're in a really strange painful time right now and i think that you're i think that you might be putting a lot of pressure on yourself to try and figure all of this stuff out when all of us are in a strange time our relationships are not normal. Now right the way that we're interacting with people it's not normal and they're all of these existential issues that are sort of floating around in the ether that are making us think about relationships in a different way. Maybe some of this good. It's helping us really figure out like what really matters. Tursun forcing us to think about our morality. And things like that but this is not a normal time. So i would say you know it. Sounds like a good partnership and things are feeling good when they actually interact so i would say know kinda. Give yourself some breathing room right and we took till things pass a little bit. I think that by the next year when life begins to come back to normal. You'll get a clearer sense of what's going on. I agree with liz. One of the things that i love about this writer that she says she has been honest with him. And instead of like you know pushing out on it. She doesn't really she's already told him how she feels. And feel as long as like a month or something or whatever they do a check in where she can say you know. I don't know if i can see this for the long haul but right now i'm enjoying my time with you. I know the sound selfish. But i think she should hang in there because she doesn't sound like she wants to be alone or try to pursue somebody starting from scratch. I think that. I think she should stick around. She doesn't seem sad about it. Just not crazy about the guy. It's it's interesting. Because and i should mention i don't know the gender letter writer so could be could be anyone but But some of the ways. I have fallen in love with people is when i see them with my friends and family when i see them tip well at a restaurant for someone who's having a bad day they're all these ways that we see how people behave in the world that could make us fall and ways that we're not getting it could also be the deal breaker right when somebody is like rude to a person that they don't have to be rude to in the world right. We're missing a lot of these. Social interactions like. I wanna be with someone. Who likes my aunt nancy because everybody likes nancy. I mean she was on an episode of the podcast. Fyi right and of course to brett right someone who will like bread and also not be scared of her. That's a that's a and we'll see all the wonderful things and not be a bag of dick. Says she might call them. So you know like if you can't do that if you can't contextualized the person you're dating in your world just yet it might be worth waiting until you can because what works in pandemic or doesn't feel like love and pandemic might feel different. That was sort of what i said. Which sounds like. We're on the same page about that. Well that was good. Thank you guys for answering letters so we have to wrap up because because we do. But i wanted to thank everybody. Who's here right now because doing this. Podcast has kept me. I mean it's been entertaining me for a few years now and i feel incredibly privileged to hear people's stories and particularly during these last seven eight months to be able to zoom with people and hear them meditate on their relationships about everything from a ballpit to buffy the vampire slayer to monica's military childhood which was so incredibly opposite to the very always living in the same house childhood that i had it is a a look through so many different lenses. And it's one. I never take for granted and i also never take the listeners for granted because You send really good emails and write your own really good letters and are just so thoughtful so i just want to thank you and i wanna thank our two guests today Brett for for being the the the far more interesting goldstein. And sharing that with the world liz for writing a very well reported. I gotta tell you that as a journalist reading this book. It's just a treat because there's just a lot of reporting it's it's a lot of incredible information just about how to be twenty. Had to be twenty five twenty eight. And i just think that's so important I wanna i wanna those of us in our forties. Especially you've done a lot of drugs it's wonderful to be able to reflect on that time and what we've learned since then the muzzle topless wonderful much. I wanted to plug. And i know she may or may not be in here today but this year we hired new illustrator for love letters. And if you were on the letters instagram and you've seen her beautiful illustrations. My favorite recent one is it says winter is coming. And she has these beautiful single and coupled people in quarantine in their homes and If you google cotton candy fro and it is just so random that that is her brand name and my absolute love for cotton candy. She makes stickers and notebooks and all sorts of things and it is what everybody is getting for hanukkah and christmas this year. So i just want to. I always wanna shout out her work because she does such a beautiful job for us and thank you all so much. So i'll see you in in two thousand twenty one. While i'll see you in twenty twenty but i just want to thank everybody for coming and this was lovely technical end applause so so this was such a wonderful way to spending afternoon. I know many of you have children to take care of takeout to eat. Tv to watch. We are going to run a movie now. That is something curated by liz. Because i asked her since we are cast. And you can just watch stuff together. i asked her to tell me. We'll what's twenty something movie that people should watch that will make them think about growth and development and their twenties and Yeah thank you for that comment so be And those who are off to yoga now go enjoy so there is absolutely no pressure to stay but the movie is reality bites and i will be in the chat for as long as i can list. Did you just want to say why you chose it. You want to introduce before. What a fantastic movie about the trials and tribulations and the relationship isn't that the relationship that ethan hawke and wayne and writer have have. Haven't we all have that relationship. The best friend gets tricky. He leaves the next morning. We've all been there right. And so i think it's the perfect. It's the perfect movie to take you back to all of the wonderful crazy relationships if our that what what i do think about this movie is we'll just how you talk about class and ben stiller's role in the movie and her choosing a partner something to think about how much judy and graph low has some brett 'isms in this movie and also the scene where she attempts to define irony. These are things that were. The elevator were formative in my writing youth. So and i believe the band is who stole my bike or tune and oh my verona birth weight. Lisa just said say bless you when someone sneezes but i feel like that singles now was single. Say that was singles right. Say that singles right so but like grunge movies of perfection so So we're going to turn off our we're gonna meet ourselves and turn off our cameras and the movie will roll again. Stay with us if you want. Leave if you want to but thank you for coming today. It is that great to see you. Because i can't put it's great to be with you. 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How to Hack an Election: The Jennifer Cohn Interview

Gaslit Nation with Andrea Chalupa and Sarah Kendzior

1:16:42 hr | 10 months ago

How to Hack an Election: The Jennifer Cohn Interview

"I, really do think that Vice President Biden is very well positioned. And now with Kamala Harris on the ticket. To win. The overwhelming vote and even the Electoral College. But I also fear and worry about all of the shenanigans that we are seeing from the trump campaign and their allies. Trying to mess with the post office, increasing their efforts to suppress bolts and a much more aggressive disinformation campaign that is underway So if we had a totally free open election, I believe that Joe and Kamla would be our next president and vice president. But I think we're going to have to work like crazy. Between now and November to make sure that everybody wants to vote does vote and every vote is counted and that's GonNa. Be The challenge for not only. The Democratic Party and the ticket, but frankly the public and the press so that we have an election that accurately reflects the will of the people. This is the kind of regime that Donald Trump supports and this is the kind of leadership from an autocrat like Putin that he aspires to and to circle back to Nicole's question every American should ask him or herself. You know do you want a country where your president admire someone who kills literally kills his position now? And we have heard nothing. We have heard nothing from Pompeii Oh we nothing from. The White House and it is a demonstration of the moral bankruptcy but also the clear and present danger that the trump administration hoses to our freedoms to our values, and I am really concerned that more people in our country are not understanding. What has happened elsewhere in the world that trump seems to admire and what would stop him from going even further than he has if given the chance. I'm Sarah Kerr, the author of the bestselling books, the view from fiber country and hiding in plain sight. I'm Andrea Chalupa a journalist and filmmaker and the writer and producer of the journalistic thriller Mr Jones, and this is gasoline nation a podcast covering corruption in the trump administration and rising autocracy around the world. Welcome to a very special episode of Gasoline Nation today are interviewing Jenny cone an election security advocate and writer welcome to gasoline nation Johnny where you belong given your topic I. Thank you very much for having. So election security is a very important topic Sarah and I actually met pretty much our our friendship was forged in the fires of audit vote which we helped launch right after. Donald Trump's surprise victory, the two thousand sixteen election and we learned so much about election security and how deeply vulnerable. Adams were for so long and we made so much noise about that issue, which of course led to the recounts, which, of course. were an entirely different story going down that road. But what it really exposed was just the public, the lack of understanding about how our election systems work reluctance in the media to really go after this this issue in a substantial way public officials same thing could you walk us through? What do we know now finally about what happened in twenty sixteen in terms of election hacking so thank you. Yes it was even more than the public not understanding they were affirmatively misled in some cases we had Jim Comey testifying that voting machines never supposedly never connect to the Internet and thus supposedly it would have been all but impossible for Internet hackers to have changed e outcome of the election. and that was false onto precedes and we'll get into what we specifically do now that happen but this is essential to it. It was false in that wet independence and highly respected election security experts explain. Is that even if the actual voting machines themselves don't connect to the Internet, they all have to receive programming before every single election from centralized county computers that themselves either connect to the internet or can connect to the Internet and often do or that receive updates and programming from Internet connected systems. So you're really just one or two steps away from the Internet even if equipment the voters actually with does not itself connect but even more important than that or more direct than that. At least two swing states had precinct ballot scanners from a company called election systems and software ESPN S, and those precincts ballot scanners in Wisconsin and Florida, and perhaps elsewhere in the twenty sixty election contained cellular modems that connected them and the receiving end county central tabulates to the Internet. We were affirmatively misled in. It's no wonder that the public is so confused about what's happening because you have to follow it incredibly carefully to sort of weed through the morass of misinformation has been spread even by people in positions of trust. Yes. Speaking of those people that is one of the most frustrating things about that is that few spoke out before the election when they had the chance and those who did speak out were ignored or vilified, and one of the definitive moments for me was when Harry Reid wrote his now infamous letter to James Komi in twenty sixteen stating that not only was the Kremlin planning to interfere in. The election but that they had the ability to falsify vote tallies to actually change the results of the election he wrote Tacoma twice Komi ignored this letter, the media ignored this letter what do you think of Harry Reid's attempt and what do you make of the general reluctance of federal officials to tell the truth about election hacking and how widespread this threat was. So my understanding of what might be going on my thoughts about what might be going through their minds keeps shifting over time I, think Harry Reid was a hero in trying to warn the public the way it was massaged his letter falsify election results. There was a concerted effort to. Allay the public's concerns and tell them that no, no falsify results could have just matter reference to the voter registration systems and deleting people's names, which is a bad thing in an of itself and that that would result in false outcome. There was definitely a concerted effort to convince the Public Russia was not in a position to ultra vote tallies when in fact the Book rigged by David Hammer which I read recently, he had reached out to me and pointed out a lot of interesting comment and I read it and I was stunned to see the four former senior members of the Obama Administration. told him that Russia was very much in a position to alter vote tallies in the thousand sixteen election and that this was the talk. Of the town and this was the red line, and this is what Obama meant when he got in Putin's face and said, don't screw with the vote. They weren't talking about the voter registration systems although that was a concern to the thing they were the most worried about was the actual vote tallies and there was a deliberate effort to not tell the public and. I don't think it was with malevolent and certainly by he Obama. Administration. But I feel like they're sort of two schools of going on. There is the school of thought which Harry Reid appeared you got, which is the one that I think which is that these elections belong to the public and the public has a right to know officials have an obligation to tell them. If, there's a direct threat to their elections because that's transparency and transparency is the only way to prevent fraud. If you end out with someone like trump in power. Later on now, we have this precedent where you don't tell the public under Obama and now we have trump incharge. I it it gets more more and more dangerous with time. Then they're think there was probably what Obama was a game, which is he didn't want to undermine trust in her untrustworthy election system. So it was putting the public's trust head of actually having trustworthy elections that to be. Somewhat fair to him. I mean, it does appear he tried to handle it behind the scenes. He tried to handle it through the DA s and maybe through I don't know if he directly worked with the non. White hat hackers with anonymous. Apparently, they were trying to help as well and at least communicating with some members of the Department of Homeland Security according to Andrea sister who would be in a position Dra. Sorry. Sorry I'm sorry under Oh my gosh pretentious here at Gas Nation Jenny. Jenny. Thank you. So So in any event. Yes. I think that there are people who are concerned about elections but try to handle it all behind the scenes and they're the ones who've kind of gotten us into this position, and then there are those who are much more into transparency and I think that that clearly is really more the way we need to go given everything that does not really work very well. Yes. I totally agree and I'm just curious regarding these four Obama administration officials who were quoted in Shammar Book Why were they willing to talk to him for his book but not tell the American public before the book came out and you know this is an a knock on Shaima 'cause I don't know the the circumstances. Why didn't he tell the public that these guys had told him earlier because it just seems like you know time is of the essence the more time the trump administration has to consolidate their autocracy and rigor our elections the worst off we are. So it seemed like the full story being told early is to the advantage of democracy itself and why did they not come forward earlier? You know I don't know. I actually was going to interview Shammar and then his PhD exam in inner change the schedule so it hasn't happened I hope maybe you guys will interview him at some point. I. Would I would like to know that too I imagine. Now if he had just come forward without having his name already started as a recognized authority in this area, it might have been dismissed and I don't know why they I believe court. Read his book at least the tenor of it was that there was an affirmative decision made not to tell the public about the vote tallies part of it. Well, what I found really interesting summer reading between the lines though is book gave me a fuller understanding of why that mantra? Steam no evidence. The vote tallies were change was circulating as a lawyer. Those I'm sure as many non-lawyers notice or it's really stuck out depend on the meaning of his. Sack out to me way back when. It's Because a lack of evidence does it is into an evidence of absence as they say. So they're they still could have been changed not have seen evidence of it. I thought it was a reference to a lack of signals. Intelligence is dropping on. It didn't hear Russians talking about changing vote tallies when the eavesdropped on. That after reading his book, what I think it is is that the jess did? Monitor to an extent and I don't know to what extent they didn't on interstate election systems even on election day. So they could say as those they did not see any I guess Internet traffic or any successful breaches on election day, but there are two things. Victimised leading about seeing it gave them sort of Cya. We saw no evidence and maybe persuaded themselves that didn't happen because it's Psychologically, it would be very difficult to admit to oneself that. Breach might have happened on your watch and you didn't win the public in advance or even after. They didn't really monitor for the most part county election systems I mean there was just with a few very limited exceptions and so. The truth is if you wanted to alter an election outcome, you would not do it for the most part at the state level because that would be detected very easily. If you gave a state total that you didn't affect the county totals which are reporting separately. Now in the United, states, someone can just add up the counties and easily see that the state total was bogus. So what you'd? Want to do is alter the county election systems, which is really where and municipal in some places. It's really most of the election activity curves and they were not in a position to know whether there were any attempted intrusions on election day because they were not given permission in. You know it's not entirely clear that they asked all of the counties they might have there's a whole lot of them. I believe like thirty, three thousand. But if you do counties in some states, run their election through municipalities. This episode of Gas Nation is sponsored. By best means a puzzle game. You can play at home on your phone. Best fiends challenges your brain with fun puzzle levels, but it's a casual game. 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There was an interview, a quote from Jay Johnson and probably mispronouncing that swell Jack Johnson anyway where he said they don't have independent surveillance activity and so this this mantra what became there we saw no evidence you know morphs over time into, they did not change vote tallies which promotes the sort of magical thinking about our election system and intelligence community that there is are everywhere and that is something happened they would magically no it and we would know it and everything, and therefore the fact that they didn't tell us anything went wrong means it didn't have. And it's very dangerous especially now that we have trump in power if if Obama didn't tell us, you can be pretty assured the trump administration's not gonna tell us if there are breaches and the Kremlin changed, the election results in Ukraine in two thousand fourteen, the presidential election results in Ukraine and Ukraine being used to Crumlin aggression for many generations was able to catch this quickly, catch it and change it yet. They could do it Ukraine a country with which leads the world in it. Ukraine is like like the fifth best market for it talent in the world you have Ukraine can catch this right in. This was done to Ukraine than the excuse for the US was that. We're just sitting ducks in two, thousand, sixteen, I think, yes we were sitting ducks and the truth is we don't know. If vote tallies were changed or not in two thousand sixteen, we can suspect one way or the other. But. We don't know and it is misinformation for. Members of the trump administration and of the foreign her Obama administration as far as I can tell to run around telling people that they weren't most of the Obama Administration, doesn't say that definitively bit Susan Rice apparently was on. Stephen Colbert saying definitively that vote tallies weren't changed in inch there appears to be factual basis for that statement. The Department of Homeland Security has admitted it did not do a forensic analysis assists and as you know the the recount which thank you for promoting that you were ahead of me. In seeing the need for that but it was really a sham because experts say the only way it's no. If Electric Tallies have been changed is to conduct a robust manual audit or full manual recount of a reliable paper. In many of these places they didn't have paper at all much less reliable paper trail, which would be hand marks, paper ballots and. Even when they had them in Wisconsin they left it to the camp. The court told the counties they could decide most of the large counties decided not to do it manually a machine recount is not really a recanted. All right. We'll we demanded a VO audit, which as you point out is very different from a recount and had to settle for a recount and recounts themselves are a war I was. Talking to organizers on the ground in in Wisconsin were there during the recount were describing to me how trump brought in his goon squad of? To Hover over the recount, intimidate people and and so forth. So recounts or our war, and they're absolutely not adequate to do proper forensics on election hacking. Think in some ways it hasn't gotten enough attention that trump blocked three can it's not so different than what happened in two thousand where the GOP locked to recount I mean he really the big difference here is that we didn't have Democratic Party behind the recount whether that would have made a difference. We'll never know I think the psychology of it is certainly different when you have the Democratic Party itself actually. Supporting the recount, it might have helped i. do think that the Democratic Party backed at into a corner and twenty six teams I sort of were fooled by trump who affirmatively. Projection thing where he claimed it would be rigged so that the Democrats would push back harder and overstate the security of our. System, which would have made them look like hypocrites if they had then themselves gone to go seek a recount and I am very concerned that I'm seeing the same thing happening now, which is not to say that I I mean I don't know maybe Biden will be declared victorious on the electron count I certainly hope so but if he's not, we cannot have in this a repeat of history where the Democratic Party has made it such that they will look like hypocrites if they're the ones who need to challenge another suspicious electronic outcome cannot have that and so I just their messaging has to be a little. A little bit subtle on this and I just seen sort of all the same people who are always considered the adults in the room who've presided over this system that landed us in this terrible place. Focusing exclusively on the possibility that the electric outcome will favor Biden and trump will try to undermine it and not even considering reverse possibility, which is that what if the vote tallies changed? I don't WanNA say again. But what if they are changed in twenty twenty, two favor trump they're not even putting that scenario out there and it's Freeman you really need to at least have it out there. So it gives you credibility if you need to. If later on, you need to be the one filing an election challenge they're not framing it at all. They're only framing the while I. The electronic part is going to be legitimate and it'll favor biden because he's so far ahead in therefore it's just going to be trump. You know who's going to be trying to challenge it in a pro in that would be an appropriate We just didn't need to be a little more subtle and our Massive de Democrats, why do you think they're still so reluctant because before you were saying that you think Obama basically put the image of trustworthiness had of. Trust and our institutions were badly hurt back then but they were not nearly at the state. We are now where trump has bulldozed and gut, it are actual institutions and is trying to annihilate the very idea of facts and truth and trust in transparency. You know we're at a point where people are acknowledging a lot of the things that they were reluctant to knowledge in two, thousand, sixteen his. Dictatorial aspirations why will they still not go there like when we need to know when we as citizens are about to head to these polls and vote why are they still? So reluctant today to touch this topic given that now they have a lot more proof in evidence to broach the territory. Well, it's difficult to tell the public we didn't tell you before and by the way maybe they really were changed I think that. Is a very difficult thing to say I don't understand why. Former members of the Obama Administration have not made election security a priority even if they didn't want to admit that it's conceivable that vote tallies changed in two thousand sixteen and why they haven't been at least. joined. The cause against things like wireless modems in precinct ballot scanners and remote access software, which I believe was at the time in two thousand, sixteen, I believe there was remote access software in ESPN S. And bold election systems and perhaps Dominion County Central calculators I don't understand that. At all maybe they were threatened I i. honestly. I think Groups think to it but I do want to say I do think Obama. It wasn't just that he was he wanted people to trust a trustworthy system. He thought maybe he get lucky and could take care of it through the. And three these white hat hackers and maybe he didn't understand. System Well, enough I mean he's a busy guy unless he studied independently to realize that monitoring the state election systems is not sufficient that you have to cover the county election systems and I mean it could be, for example, in two, thousand and four. which was considered one of the most suspicious election outcomes of probably all time maybe even more so than. Sixteen. House. Oh. Well. You had a Republican Secretary of state and the State of Ohio in Ken Blackwell who is also like an honorary chair of the Bush campaign and he entered into a contract with to republic in they were known as the Republican well, one of them was known as the Republican it Guru and they routed. Results through backup server on election night at about eleven fourteen pm to a company called Smart Tech in Chattanooga Tennessee. These are objectively verifiable facts it was reported affects themselves were reported in publications like mcclatchy. And so when the the the main server went down for no explained reason, there was no indication of too much traffic. At the Stendhal reason for building this backup server So results were routed to smart tech which was owned by. Republican. Operative Aminat backup it flipped carry was ahead before the server went down and then he lost when it went back up in it stayed there. There was a lawsuit over it in one of those to the guy that built the backup server died in private plane crashed before the. Election and I feel like. So that was John Kerry who lost and he has since said that he himself suspected electronic vote tally manipulation during that election that he figured it would end up at the Supreme Court. The United States Supreme Court again and have the same result is in two thousand, and so they didn't pursue it. Of course, this left the public in the dark that this was a possibility and the next decade and a half. People who were trying to figure out what happened with that election were largely vilified as conspiracy theorists and he didn't chime in to help them at all. He only in the last several years finally started saying rather quietly that he suspected. Tell Him All along. And so he was the secretary of State of Obama in. Eighteen and You know. I mean I I do think he I have heard and this is all just this is all just. Take it with a grain of salt that I hear have heard that he warned Obama and that they you know they took efforts in twenty twelve to hacking, and of course, that was anonymous hackers took credit for. Derogation preventing changing passwords in preventing electronic manipulation in that election and the same group. According to Alexandra my sister. that same group of Hackers did work in twenty sixteen to try to see what was going on but they didn't have they had infiltrated aground game in the same way that they had when he twelve. So something still could have happened despite their efforts. So I mean I think he tried i. think he didn't just leave it to chance I. do think Obama tried he just didn't want the public in on what was happening and I think that was a mistake in retrospect. It worked I guess maybe seem different. Maybe it did work maybe did work I should say that I really do mean it when I say we don't. Now I have my suspicions about twenty six team but I do not claim to have proof that vote tallies changed in two thousand, sixteen I. Think it's enough to say that we don't know and that's unacceptable exactly right and yes my sister Alexander. Chiluba. WHOSE DNC contractor who used the power google dot com to piece together public record information about infamous. Paul. Manafort. Tortures lobbyists and all these other connections to show that the tremblor the. The trembling. Word Tara because it was a terrorist attack by the trembling so My sister piece together all this information public available of course that the Kremlin was helping steal this election two, thousand, sixteen, hundred trump, and that Paul manafort was a smoking gun given his long history of being Putin's operative and Ukraine, and he was just re using that same playbook. In the US and so she pieced all this together and I tried to warn both Republicans and Democrats and at three am on election night. When her worst fears came true. She wrote a memo and put on facebook and it went viral and that helped launch audit the vote and you've been referring to it in this conversation and it's really chilling because there was article in Salon I think about what you're talking about an an Ohio in the John Kerry election where we're Bush Won Reelection and there was a lot of nefarious stuff going on in Ohio not just this election hacking story but also deliberately engineered longlines. The GOP, of course depends on stealing elections but was really interesting about the salon story that came out about Ohio and the election hacking and the anonymous hackers that the hung out in the system try to protect the election I think it referred to Karl Rove. Having a meltdown on live TV on Fox. Twelve yes. Twenty twelve, two, thousand, twelve when the election was called for Obama when a Haya was called for Obama, and I remember watching this and just seeing the look of shock on. Karl Rove's face. It was like something had gone wrong like Bush's brain. You Karl Rove being as dirty as the trump crime family like Karl Rove is is a danger to our country and our democracy, and he he was the one that led the way for trump's corruption with his own corruption to get the Bush crime family in the White House. But is really interesting that infamous Karl Rove meltdown, live, Fox TV that it was almost like his his scheme didn't work and he was shocked but that didn't work. Yes. It was an iconic moment and I remember watching it with. Great enjoyment as well. Actually launched I. Think well, Kelly was already a thing but. It made her more of a thing more of a sensation because she's the one who said you know it kind of looks like Obama won and he kept saying, no, no no, it's GonNa Change with I believe around the same time when everything changed for Bush in two thousand and four. So this is two thousand and twelve. And he kept saying, no no no Ohio's going to change in. Then it didn't and she just she knows she she just got up from her desk and walked back and talk to all the Fox News analysts said Yeah we're done there is nothing else to change. We're done we're done here on one and. I all I have always hesitated to talk about anonymous claim to have stopped a hack in twenty twelve because it sounds so far fetched and it Prob- It made us some of your listeners. Still I'm not pretending to know that they did or didn't. But what really the reason why started bringing it up again as I finally looked at Alexandra's facebook post again and I hadn't put together that it was the saint supposedly the same group of anonymous subgroups I guess in anonymous that it was supposedly the same group. In twenty thousand twelve that claims have stopped something in two thousand twelve that works with the D. H. S. or at least was there in two thousand sixteen and when I put those two together because. Alexander's not part of the. Regular Integrity, community that Meets Annually and Discusses Twenty twelve and did anonymous do it didn't do it? You should sort of coming from the entirely separate. It added a little more weight to something that I may be had given as much weight to possibility. Before I just I wish anonymous didn't wear the mask and do the music and all of that makes it seem just really silly. It's a loose collection. So I think any sort group can be I don't know me an autonomous is a complicated topic for a variety of reasons, but just to clarify what I was saying earlier. So twenty twelve is Romney versus Obama, and that's when Karl Rove had meltdown where he on. Fox News live or he kept claiming that new it's GonNa turn around and then it didn't and he stormed off the set. What followed was an article in Salon or some site like that saying that anonymous hackers claim credit a protecting Ohio from Karl Rove's election hacking, and prior to that in two thousand, four John Kerry failed to pursue any type of legal action towards credible claims that the election systems had been hacked and Ohio at a time when Carey was actually up in the vote and suddenly the server collecting. Votes went down when it came back up. Bush was leading and carry just drop that but and you heard privately warned Obama. All of this is to say that the Democrats are complicit in negligent in having a full throated office wide grassroots supported Movement for election hacking election security. It's just like a voter ID. It's just like Jeremiah during like the giant bag of tricks, the dark arts, the GOP. To Steal Elections election acting is central to all that, and it's so odd to me that the Democratic Party that prides itself on being innovative was verse Social Media President and and the first social media, White House and all of it. It's so mind it's just so infuriating that they can't wrap their heads around election security as being central to all of their vote protection work. Well, yeah. What Students Spoon Omar? Who was a his head? While he's a security expert who was a witness in that two thousand and four case. What he says is that For example, Max Cleland who unexpectedly lost his race win. Georgia moved became the first state in the country to use paper lists, which is to say unaccountable an auditable touch screen voting machines in two thousand two. He very much unexpectedly lost his race to a confederate flag defender and apparently. Spoon, more people that he knows spoke with people who know him and he didn't want to be the person who told Americans their votes don't count. As. Just a lot of pressure and I think it Democrats want to. They want there to be trust in institutions. Maybe they just felt like they had it under control because. that it was just like a minor nuisance when Obama. Won twice. But the truth is if hackers actually helped him succeed the second time and in violent two thousand. Eight. If, Karl, Rove really was involved in orchestrating this these things and there's not enough transparency for anyone to really prove this. But if he was I, mean he was defendant in an active lawsuit in two thousand eight as was the guy that built the backup server who according to spoon more with feeling extremely guilty and considering. Saying something a trial in that case had he lived long enough to make it to the trial and all does sound very conspiratorial unfortunately. Those are the facts and those are those are what we know. We don't know the ultimate whether. I guess whether it's true that there was that there was an orchestrated. After that, I, think people think hacking is little more exotic than it is and that makes it maybe more scary in some ways I I interviewed Don. Siegelman who might make a really great guests for you has a new book out that he was the governor, a Democratic governor of. which also actually, they actually had paper ballots. In two thousand for his race and what happened. He was one of the most popular politician all time. In Alabama, he had been governor Lieutenant Governor. Secretary of State and Eiji, and he was running for reelection and the polls suggest that he would win and he was running against a guy who's campaign manager was. Close. With Karl Rove Karl Rove was very much all over Alabama at that time by the way I, believe this was before he moved to Texas. and. On election night, Siegelman was declared victorious and they post the results outside the courthouse. And after everyone was told to go home and go to sleep in other set of results was posted outside the courthouse. It removed six thousand votes from his total in this one county and a very Republican county which changed the it didn't change the outcome of county that it changed the outcome of the overall race. So that is opponent one and then Karl Rove's client also happened to be Alabama a GE and they seized the paper ballots so that before there could be a recount and certified the results. And I think it's And, then of course, the part that got the most attention really was the back that then His upon the same opponents. Manager's wife was a US attorney and they came up with this sort of redefined and expanded the definition of. Bribery to include situations where you don't get any personal benefit in the May also retin witnesses to pretend they were sort of this would pro quo when there really wasn't and they locked him up for five years and an incredible amount of prosecutors around the country from both parties. But I almost want to say more Republicans saw that is an extreme abuse of power and an injustice and a whistle blower who was a Republican. Came forward I believe about and being locked up in was very suspicious about the result and said that she wants heard Karl Rove stay that you could rig an election as long as final polls were within three percentage points that election it makes it in some ways it makes it more scary. But in some ways, it makes it less scary. It doesn't have to be. You know these masked crusaders or international cohorts it can be spe- sleazy political operatives shifting some boats here there and be more on our toes about about machines that don't allow recounts, and then even when we get the paper ballots, the GOP doesn't let us get request. So it they they screw us both ways and we need to really be tuned abuse patterns so that we can thwart it. In twenty twenty and beyond right. There's a great documentary on what you just described of the the Don Siegelman case it's called Abacus versus the architect, the political assassination of Don Siegelman, and you can watch that now on Amazon and in fact, while listening to you, I feel like a really good headline for this interview should be Karl Rove walked. So manafort could run the Jenny cone interview. Could be. Yeah. I just you guys talk a lot about lack of accountability and the same as really true with Karl, Rove. So apparently Eric holder is the one who I mean. This is what I believe. Don. Told me when I interviewed him that it was Eric holder was the one who decided. Advocates for protect who decided not to. Prosecute Karl Rove for defying a congressional subpoena? Dear. So around it was kind of all lumped together. There were several things going on with Karl Rove but right one was I believe twenty million missing e mails from the Bush administration rage the Democrats never made an issue that and then right hillary became the missing email lady later on to such a it's such a frustrating situation because feels like the Democrats are digging their own grave by not prosecuting these prior administrations or even just investigating their crimes but they're. Throwing the rest of us in that grave with them, they're digging the grave of democracy and I that's one of the things that I just don't understand is that there is no future for them or for this country unless you actually have a transparent process of oversight Accountability Prosecution for those who've been deemed guilty INTRODUC-, any of that as possible moving forward when we have the current administration, which overtly flaunts disregard for the rule of law. I don't know that it is true that the hindsight is twenty twenty I think about very much trying to unite the country, and so he didn't want to go into the crimes of the Bush administration and Eric holder was maybe just a really bad choice. To, be part of the administration because I believe he was with the law firm that previously represented Karl Rove that would have to be fact checked I could be wrong but there was some bizarre connection there. There was full voter fraud myths started really with Karl Rove. That was what the firing of US attorneys under the Bush administration was about the political firearms was that some of these attorneys didn't want to perpetrate this myth. And so the idea was that they were firing them for political improper purposes and there was an investigation where they were supposed to get the Bush administration emails and the Bush administration was using private email server hosted by smart tech, the that received the two, thousand, four Ohio results and They claim that they couldn't find them like it was something like twenty million emails. I believe that's the number and they just couldn't find them but the Obama administration later found them. And crew had actually done a public records request for them but holder. Some kind of agreement just to give them like a teeny tiny handful like a random batch and. The rest never saw the light of day but in Russia these things if you don't accountability to have a way of coming that you because Russia Act Smart Tech in twenty fifteen. All the Bush administration emails including Karl Rove's. Private emails and it had received US two thousand four election results. So I don't know what exactly Russia got hold of when it had smart tech there're lots of stuff smart tech had. But the potential for Kompromat is immense and there are a lot of people who were sort of disdainful. Of at Grove was exactly never trump he was disdainful and now he kinda works for him. You just have to wonder. Though whatever they got from smart tech was never released, which implies. Can Be used as leverage going forward I still have hope because actually hearing that Peres hackers consistently on the case gives me some hope we don't know that though we don't. We don't even I mean the can't I mean that's the thing is sort of like this. That's why Batman Exist says a story because human nature wants to believe that there's someone somewhere looking out for us and doing good and having all the resources like bat cave and a Batmobile to do it. So we don't know though they were there but whether they can do anything is another question in two, thousand and four. So I just went back the other day and reread it more and If you're able to. A ground game. That's very I interviewed Jonathan Stein is the author of the Book Code. Red. Who spoke with the guy he says a guy who claimed and again these are it could be people in our chain but he spoke with a guy claims you know the guy who infiltrated. Two Thousand and four operation and apparently yeah. He he he actually got in on the ground and that's very different than what typically would be able. To, occur especially, if now we're talking about a foreign nation having joined our little party here in the United States with with elections, we don't know how many people are insiders systems there could be lots of people having a party and you know shifting vote this way. Now we're GONNA shift them that we're going to shift them this way. So I don't know I have hope because you know I. Well, I'm not certainly not known whatever accused me of being an optimist, but I'm just not in the predictions business I. Don't know why you guys are better at that most people make predictions are a wrong. You know the majority of the time and I don't want to be one of those people and. I hope that overwhelming turnout could make a difference and I did a really detailed article with tips on maximizing our chances for having our votes counted. No matter how you choose to vote whether it's vote by mail or vote in person or Touch linked will link to those tips in our show notes for this interview because it's a must read guide on how individuals how to take the power back in their own hands to be vigilant and take measures necessary to secure their vote it's on us. and. So I want to ask you what has been done since two thousand sixteen to secure elections has there been any improvement that you've seen yet I mean apparently, Albert sensors have been attached to some machines which would not for attacks but rather let you know that there was at least an attempted infiltration. Maybe even let's you know if there was an actual breach, the problem is I don't know I think most state systems got them but I don't know if that's just their voter registration systems or if that extends to their election management systems, which again, this election management systems are like the centralized treasure chest if you're a hacker. For Vote the voting part of the operation because they provide the programming for all of the voting machines and cabiner state, and then they also include the central tabulates. I that aggregate the precinct totals. So I don't know if there's Albert's censor there and even if they are. We are now at the mercy of. Whoever is in charge of somebody telling us? They're making these things classified and you know they're having nondisclosure agreements in Florida about what they've done or not done to secure elections and about whatever breaches occurred in two thousand sixteen. You asked me at the very beginning what we know about twenty sixteen and I'm sorry I. Diverted but I mean, we know that Actually made a quick list that they targeted all fifty states. If they breached to three election service providers, the only one the only name we have is VR systems which was an electronic poll book and Voter Registration System. Company. And still is around they breached voter registration systems in Florida Illinois and Arizona. We know that the F. B. I can't say if voter data was changed or not, but the media is misogynous in it's becoming. No voter data was changed. Vote Tallies changed We know that they were in a at least from shiners book that they were any position to alter vote tallies. I would think if that was untrue, the Obama Administration would have issued a statement About his book being false and haven't done that. we know that no one knows the vote tallies were changed knowing that they did not monitor most of the county election systems. We know there was no well as far as we know, there was no forensic analysis D H s said it had conducted one and did not. Intend to conduct one we know there was no meaningful handri count and so that is pretty much what we know on reality winners contribution as as well. Right the leaked NSA documents showing that they accessed that access voter registration rolls. Yeah, I mean the fact that that document has just been hanging out there in cyberspace while reality winner is behind bars I mean that to me seems like an enormous story and it is just untouchable very few people very few mainstream reporters are outlets. We'll even discuss the fact that she's in there even while you know, Flynn Manafort and Cohen and the rest are all going free like can you comment on her case and what that means? I'm a huge supporter of releasing reality winter I mean I think it's pretty clear. She violated the law, but you know there. Should be some proportionality because she sort of like a conscientious. What is the term as a conscientious objector? Yeah. I mean, she did it for the greater good. The larger crime was the attack on our election system and the cover up of the attack on election system. So did it thread that I'm going to make into a medium article talked about doing it for years but I really went through the time line and there was very much a cover up at least in the court of public opinion by the trump administration saying that there had been media reports of Russia attacking. Our election infrastructure, but he called it fake news. So the actual physical NSA report was really the only thing that type of thing the actual internal report was the only thing that could debunk. Trump's fake news claims. I mean the media was had reported something had happened, but it wasn't enough to break through that fake news allegation and she broke through that and I think she's a hero for for doing that and I. Don't think we would know what little we do know but for her but I also want to say when I read that document carefully that she released did not say it was just voter registration systems it talked about websites and networks and I, noticed it at the time and I think I have a tweet somewhere saying why is everyone saying? You know this is just just voter registration. After reading shiners book. There was something a line in there. I'll have to find the quote that they purposely kept it. They they didn't want people to know that might extend to the actual. Tallies am I actually think things are a lot worse in some ways. By the way as we head into twenty twenty and one specific way, there's a pattern that has very concerned. We do know that domestic actors and corrupt insiders can obviously wreak havoc on elections. May or may not have done. So in the past that if we if we really do have having joined the party for nations having joined the party. They use the Internet in particular as a weapon, and that's how they apparently attack Ukraine's election system in two thousand fourteen and actually change the reported results and one thing that has occurred to me is that we have really since two thousand sixteen. We have actually significantly expanded our internet connectivity of creasing systems since the two thousand sixteen election and that has me hopping down worried an in the two specific ways that we have done. This is these new. Cellular Modems in precinct ballot scanners because Michigan has them as well. They didn't have them in twenty sixteen. Now they have them and God knows what other states might have them. It is not the majority of the country by any means, but we now have Florida Michigan and Wisconsin. The good news is I've been talking to people who have tried to organize some action on getting them removed on the ground protests and that sort of thing in those three states. In, one of them talked to a, who says it out there absolutely is still time to remove the modems. It would not be a difficult thing to do and so. But I'm very very worried about it and then The other thing is This electron pull books is like a new fad they've been around for years, but they weren't popular. It was jurisdictions typically used Hey Paul. Bucks at the polling place now suddenly and partly because of the move to early voting, which airs electronic check in computers, you can't update in real time whether someone has already voted or not during. With April, it's just not logistically feasible but on election day, they're now using them as well where they are these electronic ones and it's unnecessary and oftentimes they are connecting them to Wi fi or bluetooth, which is incredibly Huckabee'll and so they they they're using them now not just as part of the voter registration checking system but to activate the new touch screen voting machines and that is just weird. And they're making them effectively heart of the voting system. So they are using them to encode the cards that start the voting machines. And we don't know what is going into that encoding. And at the most simplistic level, if you had rolling blackouts now Alah Bellarusse. If you had rolling blackouts during our election in targeted areas, you wouldn't be able to activate those voting machines. So even if you had back in April pull books, you didn't have backup hand marked paper ballots it would not be able to vote and that is worse that is a worse situation than we were in previously not enough people. Have Woken up to it or are talking about it, and there is time for some action on this but only if it kind of goes viral. So did my tips sheep. That's start is identifying it and those two things that wireless modems and these on election day we can't do anything about it during early voting, they're necessary but on election day I don't think we should be using these electric club at all and if we do use them, we need backup everything and I can guarantee you. There are many places that are GONNA go there. Like the titanic without the backup paper anything because that's exactly what happened in Los Angeles, County Liberal County they were done enough to do it on election day. They have a set that actually makes it impossible to have backup paper pull these vote anywhere. Centers are bad bad bad election day. And Georgia didn't have backups either and was chaos in both places. WHO's getting rich off of voting machines any members of Congress? Are they getting lobbing money in other things? They're not getting rich off of it a lot of them do get donations the biggest. Chunk that I've seen is is s donating thirty thousand dollars since twenty thirteen see the republican state leadership committee but that's not a huge number I think what happens is family members may make donations and Sachin. We we don't really know what happens under the table but. A lot of this is two hundred, the table. So for example, in Philadelphia. Yes and has did make contributions through its lobbyists to the decision makers who against the advice of experts and voting rights. Advocates bought these new touch screen machines rather than and marked paper ballots and city comptroller conducted investigation. And she discovered that there had been undisclosed donations made to decision makers one Democrat Philadelphian in one Republican, and it would have been grounds to terminate the contract. Of course, they didn't terminate it, and so that's the crappy system. They have had all kinds of problems touchscreen systems I just don't recommend them they when you often hear about touchscreens flipping your vote, that's because it's A. And calibration problems and. Miss calibration the the vendor of these systems in Pennsylvania Rep. I saw video where he's assuring everyone before the election Scott before they bought them scout's honor their never miss calibration is not an issue anymore. Well, guess what it was something like a third of the machines were MIS calibrated I. Don't know that it was deliberate I doubt it. It's a pretty visible. Problem. Why would you do something visibly when you can do it invisibly, but maybe you would I don't know but it can be miss calibration can be either deliberate or unintentional typically it's unintentional but Kim Zetter wrote an article long ago. She's a really great cyber security journalist which said that can be done deliberately. So anyway that's my tip sheet Sou- which is to request a hand marked paper ballot, and if you use a touch screen there certainly are strategies to minimize the risks of it. The main one being to bring completed sample ballot with you to the polls and use it as a Chichi. To, compare against the paper printout from those touchscreens, which is the only thing that could be used in in a manual auditor recount you want to make sure that it accurately reflects what you intended and note down ballot races in particular have been deleted or changed because. Studies show that ninety three percent of those changes would go unnoticed by voters, which is an invitation for both fraud and error, and you want to have an accurate auditor recount if you get one and so it's really a no brainer to bring your completed sample ballot. That was the conclusion of this study by the way is that everyone should bring either have completed slater voters or sample about the only thing that brings up the ability to accurately verify these printouts is having a cheat sheet with you. But no one's really messaging it except for me. So now I am so now you can this shouldn't be on you to fix this massive problem. There should be some central command system supported by both leading parties and all secretaries of state to say, this is an acceptable. We should not be having a national debate of whether our vote tally was hacked in two thousand sixteen. There should be zero debate. So let's let's tie up all these loose ends and have a paper trail hand marked paper ballots, and let's Full confidence in the security of our elections, it should just be a central command doing this. It shouldn't be on grassroots, activists and independent journalists among the most zealous advocates. No one can agree on what emphasize which is part by just started doing it on my own on twitter because I couldn't take it anymore. Certain things seemed is knee and all the arguing bickering stuff that often occurs in the groups I couldn't take it there a serious misinformation problem. So this sort of some people with blue check marks. are of that mentality that you put trust in elections. Ahead of trustworthy elections on that transparency is dangerous and we should try to handle it behind the scenes and some of them I believe are well-meaning. A JUST WANNA try to handle it as best. They can behind closed doors and not inform the public and I'm just adamantly in the other camp. The problem is so you know there's one guy who works with a lot of election officials. He's on the Michigan, Secretary of states that she's a democrat. He's on her committee that he testified boating she's never connect Internet. And he was working with election officials in Wisconsin. So either he holds himself is an expert either he didn't know himself, which is scary that these cellular modems connect to the internet or was lying I think maybe he didn't know he was telling a falsehood he spread it far and wide, and he advises Propublica, which is very respected. Obligations. So their election division uses him as an adviser. And he is very much of the. you know putting the trust ahead of trustworthiness and he is very much. Let us handle it behind closed doors and he sees it. I believe I can't read his mind, but he appears to see it as his job to make election officials. Look good. Even when they screw up or even if they screw up and certainly there are many well-meaning election officials and we don't want them all quitting. We don't want that also mistakes being made and. I think we're seeing from reality winner to some of Kim Zetter reporting by the way on these modems nothing changes with the sometimes the public. The the light of day is the only thing that makes people change their ways. So for example, she reported that these receiving end systems in Wisconsin receiving end systems to these wireless Modems County Central tabulates that received the transmissions. They had been left online for months or years in some cases, and she told election officials in Wisconsin and they did nothing they left them there until she said. Maybe, somebody told them that and they did nothing until she said, she was going to write it up in an article and then they took them offline. So. I think we really are at the point where. We need the transparency, but we have so many actors out there that have it the opposite philosophy and they start to convince themselves, and then they convince maybe the people they didn't mean to convince falsehoods. Yeah. And what's this quote? Unquote experts name that that advises Propublica, his name, the guy in Michigan David Becker. He knows he said that voting machines never connect to the Internet, and at this point, he has to know that that's false and there was a retraction So and he stopped for some reason election land has decided to still use him. It was sort of the central false talking point after the two thousand, sixteen election it's not like a minor little subtlety. No of course not. So I don't think I'd being too particular, but there was another you know blue checkmark who's quite popular. Sort of an adult in the room who actually blocked me when I asked him in a direct message why he was continuing to put on a reporter who had spread disinformation after the two thousand sixteen election and he called me zealot and blocked me for it. You know I thought it was a fair question because it's the same people who lead everyone to think. It just wasn't even on the table. The vote tallies might have been changed. Those same people are going to all of these paid. Orense you know there's there's a whole industry around. Election had suppose that election integrity with the really large well, funded groups have all these they're. You know they have all these these these seminars and People tend them and they have these blue checks and the same people who misled deliberately or otherwise unknowingly but they're still the ones who Maybe slightly less that they're still the ones to whom the mainstream media goes and a whole these events and some of their coverage is still up. And I'm seeing this rewriting of the two thousand, sixteen election people more and more people saying while at least we know the vote tallies weren't changed their and we need an accurate historical record if nothing else because I hope we win this election in November if we don't though we need an accurate historical record. So someone someday can try to figure out what was downfall and try to move past. Tried it. Yeah exactly I mean where it went wrong we've said so many times on this show that an informed public is a powerful public and what's remarkable about this situation is the diversity of groups that seemed to be trying to take away this power from the public, the power of information of transparency. You obviously see it from the trump camp and the GOP You know who are trying to protect their own interests and their own You know theft and misdeeds but you we also saw with the intercept and Glenn Greenwald you know when reality, winner. Sent in that document to them and they released it in a way that she could be identified and arrested, and we also see it from you know Obama administration officials and members of the Democratic National Committee who who would be defined more as centrists or centrist liberal. We see it sometimes from leftists who are very adamant that Hillary Clinton lost this election on her own lack of merit in their can't possibly be any other explanation there can't be you know Russian interference there can't be election tampering like so many people are committed to this narrative for their. Own reasons that they just don't even want to look at the evidence in front of them in that I think is you know one of the most damaging things about where we are as a country because you know facts supersede your political position. It is alarming when people who hold such different political positions can unite in defiance of the facts and in defiance of investigation and in defiance of the People's own right to know what their government is doing and to know whether they do have a voice in that government whether we really do have representative government i. Mean what bigger question is there and it's so offensive to me that people don't even want to try to answer it. So I'm glad I'm grateful that you've persisted because I know the abuse that you get and others get it comes from all sides and it's annoying as hell. Yes. Thank you. There are some who on the left to there's one very popular account all sunshine and roses publicly very popular. She's an author, her books and she told me I'm doing the devil's work I know who this says she said I was doing the devil's work to. She Elsa a Russian agent so it's not exactly sunshine and roses. I'm in I'm a Russian agent there there is a great fear that That this type of thing will reduce turn out that I don't think it's been substantiated by studies, and if it hasn't actually would be very curious to see them and whether giving solutions in empowering voters as I tried to do with things that they can do to mitigate these risks. Whether that changes the calculus but. I mean I always do try to give here's what you can do but. I mean there is a real legitimate concern about not wanting to reduce turn out I. Just don't know that the evidence is there that it would, and in fact, at sue halpern a great journalist at the New Yorker published this piece for she cited a Harris Hall it's just a Paul. It's just one poll, but it showed that were at least before the two thousand, eighteen midterm voters said they were more likely to vote because they were concerned about. Hacking Yeah I think we saw that in two thousand, eighteen, the mass turnout in two, thousand, eighteen, I think was based on two things. One was desire for accountability and for the nightmare to end. But also great concern that the Republicans were going to toy with the results of this election and I think they were listening to people who said overwhelming turnout is one of the key mechanisms of retaining your own power and we have always been very adamant. Vote vote and overwhelming numbers check your voter registration information for you. Go all of these safety tips but people like to put this narrative out there. You know I've been accused over and over like Sarah said, don't bother to vote because there's corruption I'm like, no, you vote because there's corruption you vote to try to get people in who will in late the corruption and you vote because it's your right and people fought hard for that right but yeah, there's propaganda operation I mean there are multiple propaganda operations and then I think just you know other things. Going on people don't WanNa admit that this is possible. They also don't WanNa deal I think with the repercussions of we'll wait what if our Congress was not legitimately elected? What does that mean for core appointments? What does that mean for other political appointments and policies that were voted on by what would be illegitimate actors? I mean it's just a whole can of worms a no one wants to open it I understand that on principle but we're at the point where we're lurching right into flown fascism This is the time you know we've got nothing to lose. We need total honesty. I think to remain a flow and you know no agency and no individual has jurisdiction over the truth. You know the truth is the truth and the truth needs to be told and I. There is this irony that a lot of journalists are are trained and parentally so that they don't want to report on speculative claims so they can. Suggestion that outcomes might not be legitimate speculative and I. Actually sort of I don't agree with it really that I can sort of see what they're saying. But with they miss is that the official results that they are reporting are also completely speculative because merrythought because we don't allow that in our country and that is the story and I think there has been headway but the story is that we don't have a system that allows us to verify these outcomes and that's the subtle middle ground that they're missing. They think it has to be one or the other, and they are reporting on unverified claims of who won the election that is also unverified. It's not just the cheating is unverified. The whole thing is one final question what policies need to be enacted state-by-state nationwide to fully secure our elections for November or I don't have faith that we can push as much as we can for November but I would just say term so we can formulate some sort of lamb or the same actually I mean the the one thing I don't think we can. We can't get before November which is so important is a requirement of robust manual audits with a transparent chain of custody between election night in the audit is an absolute must and it has to be required and we still don't have it. But we also need a meaningful paper trail to conduct. Most voters hand marked paper ballots or voters with disabilities. It's okay to use a touch screen at the touch screens have just have too many. Risks Associated with them to use as a primary system at the polling place. We need not have those modems in the you know internet connectivity with our precinct equipment. We need to not have remote access software we need backup paper everything. So backup paper pull books. If you're going to use electronic poll books, I would say to use them at all on election day because even with the backups he often are trained to use. ACA they're still mass chaos and disenfranchisement even when they technically could have used the emergency protocols, they don't have to do it. And We need. Those are sort of be main provisions I think we need that provisioned at some sort of a right to know law. About breaches and it gets tricky because. You don't want. An investigation but I think now we have a system where everything is classified and people assume there must be some big investigation it's going to uncover. Get to the bottom of things and if they ever get to the bottom of things, we don't get to know. Said there has it. It's a tricky piece of legislation to right when it comes to telling the public about breaches at there has to be some kind of protocol. Requiring that transparency I mean I. think it's just really crucial and. In the meantime. There are things that increase transparency. So it protect our votes, dot com, which is the group that I'm in. It's our website. We are doing a photograph in a precinct results to compare to report it totals, and if you look in Belarus, there were people the voters. Living in a dictatorship a understand that results have a way of changing between the precincts and what's reported later and their focused doing photographs themselves. Unfortunately, ballot southeast are illegal at the precincts in most US jurisdictions. Because of vote-selling concerns about votes selling an undue influence but. Totals themselves come out of the machines and. Say for sure those totals themselves are accurate but we can at least mixture they don't change on routes to the county and state. and. So that is not all not all actions post. Their these they're called poll tapes, their precinct results outside on election day and I think that should be requirement that they all do that. So that would be a really good start the pay back to the safe act written by Ron Wyden where. Starts toward meaningful election security legislation, and just I think it would need to be expanded a bit to include electronic poll book some kind of something for that because that is just a new rat that is going to catch a lot of people flat-footed I think in November. All right. Well, thank you, As we said, we're going to put a link to your article full of. Chips information for voters on our Patriot page. Is there anything else that you want to promote while you have the gasoline nation floor? Well, my twitter handle at Jenny Cohen Wine J. E. N. Y.. C.. O. H. Mine and Also has library that I put together good sources in that. Many of the articles most of them I'd say that I have found. Are Very accurate in their recording and maybe the things that really have changed the way that I thought about elections and changed the landscape in a meaningful way. Second Library is really excellent includes all my own articles and then it includes a section and recommended other sources and I'll I'll keep expanding it. I don't want people to be offended if I didn't include their book or Article There I. Tried to get most of them and keep updating it right. Well, thank you so much for coming on I. Think it's going to be useful and important episode of Far. Listeners you are always welcome back on gasoline nation. Thank you so much for coming on and keep fighting the good fight we need you. Folks, who know they cannot win fair and square at the ballot box doing everything they can to stop us from voting. They're closing down polling places in minority neighborhoods. 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These are the jobs and skills that will drive the recovery

Work In Progress

22:45 min | 4 months ago

These are the jobs and skills that will drive the recovery

"You're listening to work in progress. I'm ramona's heim. Editor and chief. Working nation work in progress explores the rapidly changing workplace through conversations with innovators educators and decision makers people with solutions to today's workforce challenges. The recession has left us in a very unsettled economic time. Lots of job loss and also the way we do. Our work has changed dramatically and will probably remain so for the years to come so today. Want to talk to matt siegelman. Ceo of burning glass about a new report that they just put out on what kind of jobs we can expect in recovery matt. Thank you very much for joining us. It's always great to be together ramona. Matt i wanted to talk to you a little bit about this new report. After the storm you talk about jobs that are headed in the market. You're projecting that they're going to be fifteen and a half to eighteen million. New jobs created over the next five years. What did you tell us a little bit about where you see those jobs at a broad sense that we can break it down a little bit later. Our report tracks five secular trends that we think are going to drive the post covert economy. We talk about them. As as each of them being an economy in and of itself we took about the readiness economy. The automated economy the remote economy logistics economy. And of course the green economy we can talk about what i think will drive all of them. How the pandemic is leading to a set of forces that are reshaping the job market. But i think the core idea behind the report is that when you look ahead to each of these secular meta trends that we can all see right now starting to pick up that we can see being play when you project them out. Each of those trends is going to be driven by a set of jobs and skills. Each of them is going to create all allied set of jobs up to eighteen million jobs from those five economies alone. We'd see that those five economies are going to grow About twice as fast as the market overall and wind up comprising one in six jobs across the whole job marketing wind up being one of those five economies. Do any of those jobs exist now and are we skilled for them. I'm gonna say yes and no to the two questions you just asked yes to the first note of the second. A lot of these jobs do exist today. These economies are accelerating forces. There are already at work in the job market today. But what we're really going to see is is A doubling down on some of the things which Have already been at work. You mean example. I talked a minute ago about the readiness economy the readiness economy represents an awareness. That's been born about by the pandemic about the vulnerability that we face across a range of dimensions. A lot of people who originally were saying that the pandemic was what to call a black swan event. The kind of event that you can't predict thomas friedman for the new york times said that it's actually a black elephant event. It's the elephant in the room that nobody was paying attention to well. Guess what we're now all paying attention and now that we're paying attention you can imagine that. Both industry government is going invest very seriously in readiness not just readiness for the next pandemic but running for cyber attack readiness for physical infrastructure failure readiness for environmental catastrophe. There's a set of jobs and skills involved in that. Rightness sets of cybersecurity jobs sets of jobs in in physical infrastructure construction. Jobs going to see sets of jobs in biochemistry biostatistics and the life sciences sets of jobs in healthcare. Those jobs exist today. That's what we get to your second question. Are we ready. Do we have enough talent for those and the answer is clearly. No we think about creating eighteen million jobs in five years. That's a huge challenge for us to be able to rise to the level of growth that those economies demand we're going to need to really rethink how we bring talent to the market. And that's a challenge not only education not only forgotten but it's it's a significant challenge for companies who of course drive our economy today. The last part of what you just said that we are not quite ready. We're not ready. It's gonna have to involve change that goes for for the readiness economy. The logistics konami the green economy the remote economy in the automated economy. So this is a broad idea that despite some of us. And i think you're you're among us you know having talked about this a need to prepare. We are not prepared. We're still woefully behind. I think we're not prepared. But i think in some ways what we have to realize that the economy modern economy moves very fast. When i say moves fast. I don't mean just that it grows. It's growing fast. We hope it will grow fast right now. It's not growing so fast but we can see is a tremendous and really unprecedented level of dynamism in the job market. Today we're seeing the creation of new jobs but even more than that. We're seeing a lot of change in the skills within existing jobs and of course trends like the ones that were tracking here in in our report are accelerating demand in in places where there are existing jobs. Were maybe some existing skill. So i see this as a failure them more as a challenge. That's to say look. I'm in a market. That is very dynamic that changes quickly. It may not always be possible to have a crystal ball. It wouldn't have been necessarily possible without amazing prophetic powers to see the pandemic coming. So do i look at where we are. Today is a failure not necessarily the is. What will we do about it now. It doesn't take much of a journey of the imagination to see doesn't take extrasensory powers to see these kinds of forces taking shape. We're having this conversation. Nine person is that which we were but on a remote platform we all know how how much sensitivity the pandemic is exposed to our supply chains. And then we call the logistics economy. It so you can see how that's going to lead to A restoring of some advanced manufacturing jobs doesn't take a lot of deep analysis to see those things forming. It doesn't take much of a journey of the machination to them. Project them forward to the kind of level of growth. They're gonna drive. The question is okay if we can see it. Do we have a system that is responsive enough flexible enough to be able to respond to that challenge. Today that hasn't been a strength of ours. We know that from even before the pandemic the harvard economist. David deming looking burning last date of found that on there some occupations over the last decade of had as much as almost half of their skills change. And that's just in the space of ten years. Think about the curriculum that prepares students for those jobs is half of that curriculum different today from what was a decade ago of course not so for us to rise to this challenge and make this not a challenge but an opportunity we have to think about what will make our training. Systems or education systems are talent development systems for employers more responsive and that means first of all stepping back from thinking about degrees as the the sole mechanism for bringing talent to market and instead create much more responsive infrastructures shorter-term programs that help people build skills. It also means rethinking how we help people move from job to job right now. There's a lot of people who have been displaced millions of people have been displaced because of this pandemic. will we know from past recessions. Is that people who are displaced tend. Unfortunately to stay on the sidelines but if we think about retraining non as moving people job to job but is moving them skill the skill we build on top of the skills they have we may be able to build a pipeline of talent into some of these jobs much more easily than we may be imagining. So let's talk about some specifics so in the report the logistics demand seems to be the highest one that you see in the next five years over one point. Six million jobs listed as potential. Tell me what kind of jobs are what kind of skills will be required logistics economy. You're right is long. We think will be the biggest right now. Already accounts for about six million jobs in we're defining logistics economy and it's also not only the biggest of these but it's also the most accessible some of these as you can imagine the remote economy the automated economy really depend on advanced technology platforms. So maybe suggested for the two thirds of americans who don't have college degrees but there's a number of jobs in logistics which which are open on all sides. Were talking here about sets of skills in in the internet of things on supply chains. We're talking about robotic skills and process automation skills. We're talking about pharmaceutical manufacturing industrial data analytics on the manufacturing of pp which are key sets of skills which define logistics economy. If you were to look at that as a set of jobs. I think you would see sets of jobs in pharmaceuticals in supply chain and many of these really are what we call middle skill. Jobs I think they're better terms to use that. But i know it's recognizable term. These are jobs which are open to those without a college. Degree are a lot of these jobs. Jobs that'll probably need some kind of certification or could they be jobs that are learned on the job both Certainly there's a number of jobs in that economy and all these connie's which currently demand certification the broader question is. Can we actually think about certification. Not as a barrier not as an encumbrance to bringing more talent into those opportunities but instead can we actually think about certification as an express ticket right now the employers lack a really good mechanism for being able to validate whether the people have the right sense of skills and we know we need a lot of new talent. Waiting for students to graduate from college or from cuny college programs with a right degrees on is gonna take a long time. If instead we can develop set of certifications that are specific to the transitions. That will prepare people to rise to take these jobs. We're gonna be able to reduce the barriers to having much more supply into the market. A lot of work has shifted to remote including mine and yours. Your reports saying that you see a lot of this likely to become permanent. So what kind of jobs does that create. A bigger demand for the remote economy is one which is going to require both on the sets of skills that it takes to support remote platforms like this but it also frankly it's Encompasses the sets of jobs which are enabled by platforms like this so in terms of sectors of the remote economy in terms of that first category you have of jobs support these kinds of platforms a lot of jobs in a are vr alternate reality virtual reality platforms cloud platforms. Were where. data's no longer actually sitting in physical servers. But it's sitting in in the cloud in there for more accessible is a us ranger jobs in the cloud. We think there's going to be a range of jobs in network systems and in ed tech one of the most promising applications of technology platforms like this. We've seen a huge growth in the past year is in platforms that facilitate learning remotely some of the mood massive online open course platforms like for sarah at exit number of others have seen explosive growth in people realizing that you don't necessarily need to be in a classroom. I think you're gonna see an explosion in ed tech driven by the remote economy e commerce is another one that of course is is one of those parts of the economy that enabled by the reloaded. Connie we didn't cover this in our report. But i think you could extrapolate even further when thinking about remote economy to think about a range of jobs service sector jobs supporting greater population in smaller more rural parts of the country coming into the pandemic. The last decade is not been kind to rural america. And there's been a lot of poverty. A lot of suffering in rural america as more and more people had to abandon small towns where they grew up where they might have settled on instead for economic opportunities to pursue economic opportunity in big cities. The remote economy may reverse a lot of that make staying in in small towns more possible and that may lead to greater economic vibrancy in those small towns. I think he in addition to the sets of jobs that are directly enabled by remote platforms in addition to the sets of jobs that are involved in creating those cloud platforms as ed tech platforms. And the like i. You're going to see a set of jobs that are multiplier effect jobs. The city of jobs that happened because you've got people staying in smaller towns in spending money in small towns. I wanna talk about the other two economies before we go the automated economy. That's something we've talked a lot about in the last few months that the pandemic has accelerated automation artificial intelligence. And that's gonna just continue. You don't see you putting that genie back in the bottle but that means a lot of people in jobs that are task driven. One sows task are being replaced by automation. Those jobs go away. But i always want to be positive about it and say this has happened before and what happens is new kinds of jobs are created. What are you seeing in that area. It's very understandable. Why the automated economy is taking it through the pandemic when employers are forced to let people go they tend to be fairly reticent about bringing them back you know it's a time of economic uncertainty in the like and so in a lot of cases were already seen acceleration of automation driven replacement of jobs. Workers were already at risk already in the balance as you said. It's we've seen it coming. We're not going to put the genie back in the bottle. The automated economy encompasses a range of sectors. First of all we see actually launched of application of ai and robotics in healthcare a lot of focus on financial investment and also of course a lot of focus on machine learning and natural language processing. Things like computer vision in autonomous driving. Of course then. Just broadly robotics in in process automation. Some of those robotics we think ultimately could could drive over a million job one point three million jobs machine learning jobs. We think there'll be about two point. Seven million jobs created in that sector. These are very well paying jobs and very fast growing jobs. Here's the thing the question you asked him a few minutes ago is really smart one. Which is he looked. We've had a lot of displacement. We clearly are going to see a lot of job. Creation up to eighteen million jobs across these five sectors over the next five years which may be more than enough to provide opportunity for everyone who's displaced. Here's the challenge. Though we know that the claims of jobs where people are displaced and the kinds of jobs that are being created. There's not necessarily a direct path from one to the other take for example the green economy decarbonization as we move away from carbon based economies of the oil and petrochemicals manufacturing business cole and others to green technologies. There may at a numbers basis. Almost be a one to one transition. Not sure about that is a question of skills in this question of geography geography of carbon based jobs and the geography of green bay. Jobs isn't necessarily the same. We're not necessarily building solar farms in paducah kentucky or in west virginia where a lot of people been displaced from the coal sector. And there's also a question of skills in so that's why it becomes so important that we create an infrastructure that is designed to help people make job to job transitions and to do that. What we need to do is we need to start by understandings skills around the economy. One of the things that burning glasses on in our work has been essentially to create a genetic map of the job market to understand. What are the skills underlying each job. That's out there and one of the things. That's empowering about that is it allows us to understand how jobs relate to one another and sometimes the relationships between jobs are kinda surprising for example a lot of people have been displaced from hospitality jobs and in other low wage service sector jobs. We've been surprised to see that there are often direct pathways to jobs in banking often direct Pathways from those kinds of jobs even into tack. But the thing have to remember is the one quickstep. We all want the silver bullet. Those transitions often take a couple of steps and we have to be able to build on the skills that people already have you just solving for the gap between the skill. Someone already has. The skills are gonna need in their next job. Take the example somebody working in the hospitality sector who moves into a job and with a personal banking to your mate Personal banking sounds like somebody with an mba. Maybe was accent. It actually turns out. It's they retail branch banking job. It's the person who's pulling you out of the queue to ask you. You want to refinance your car loan or whatever it is if you look at the skills that job there are set of customer facing skills similar to what you've acquired working hotel or restaurant or a retail store but you need to the gap really revolves around understanding of financial products work. Can we train somebody. In a few months to choir that set of skills we can but people in those jobs needed. Gps aways app for their career. So he can know where those opportunities are. And we need to restructure our community college programs to not just be about giving people degrees that they can then go on do bigger state university and get a four year degree which is kind of what most of what community college enrollment is focus toward today and instead had we use community colleges is a really fabulous infrastructure for helping people. Just pick up those specific set skills that are gonna unlocked mobility for them. They're gonna lock opportunity for them. Finally one thing. I noticed about the report on all of these economies. These jobs that are paying fifty two thousand a year and above depending on what community. You're in that's a good wage so we could call these paying jobs. What are your thoughts on that at my am i putting fifty two thousand dollars at a premium. Sat a really a good paying job. First of all it is well above the average actually fifty. Nine thousand is the average across these five economies and that's a third higher than the national median. But i think it's also important to realize averages always underlie some significant variants. You know the average temperature on earth. I think is seventy two degrees. But it ain't seventy two degrees in philadelphia today. I think what you're seeing here and and this exciting about. It is first of all range of jobs that pay well above that jobs that pay well over one hundred thousand dollars a year across us jobs in the eighties and nineties also jobs that are a bit lower but more accessible to the kinds of people might be very much at risk. The kinds of people whose jobs may have already been lost to the pandemic ra may become lost to automation. So it excites me. That on the one hand these overall good paying jobs and on the other hand that there are opportunities across the spectrum for both for people who don't have access to opportunity. You can use these opportunities as allowed her up as well as for people who are looking for much more lucrative work matt thank you. I always enjoy talking to you truly. Do i learned something new. Each time. I talk to. You always enjoy these conversations. Ramon you you ask wonderful questions. This is such an important set of topics. I really appreciate the tremendous work that you and working nation doing to shine a spotlight both on the challenge and the opportunity. We all know we live in a time. Which is brought tremendous suffering where we know there's significant equity issues that have been exacerbated by having the pandemic and it's all more reason why we need to focus on where the opportunities are. We need to maintain optimism. See that is going to be a lot of growth that growth to be well pain and what we need to set ourselves to and again. I'm so grateful to your work at work. Nation is asking yourself the tough questions of how we're going to unlock that opportunity. How we're going to change challenge into opportunity. So thank you thank you matt. I've been speaking with matt sacraments. Ceo burning glass. I'm ramona's gentle hyme chief of working nation. Thank you for listening.

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El Documental Los Dioses se afecto por la salida apresurada del album

Frequencia Urbana Podcast

17:26 min | 5 months ago

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20200610 Nicole Sandler Show - Our Surveillance State with Jason Leopold

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20200610 Nicole Sandler Show - Our Surveillance State with Jason Leopold

"The following program content graphic material including offensive language. Your this question is advised. She's got the news. She talks with news. Makers encourages us to laugh. And she cries with US speaking truth to power, and Questioning Authority daily. It's the Nicole Sandler show. Hello and welcome to A. One day. I'm Nicole Sandler coming to you live on progressive voices network along with Nicole Sandler Dot Com and Youtube and facebook live periscope, and you know. However you have found US welcome to the show it's another crazy day in America a lot going on in a lot to deal with today coming up our guest on today's program is my friend Jason. Leopold Jason is senior investigative reporter at Buzzfeed News and he is broken. So many stories including a big one just last week. As we were watching the insanity going on around the protests, and and the police response to the protests Jason. Leopold broken new story about new sweeping surveillance powers that were given. To The DA. The DA the Drug Enforcement Administration. Really. The the DA is supposed to only have powers to. Deal with with drug charges the, but so so we'll get the whole story from Jason. There have been developments in the story since last week when. The story broke but Jason Leopold is the guy that the government has nicknamed the Foia Terrorist. See. This is a problem because Jason. Leopold is a journalist and a really damn good one, and he's mastered the art of the Foia. Requests Foia Freedom of Information Act it is a legal process by which not only journalists, but citizens can obtain information because allegedly here on the United States. We have some level of of transparency or we're supposed to do anyway. Boy How things have changed. Since well since that that was supposed to be the the basis on which the nation was formed. Yeah, but not so much. So we'll speak with Jason I got a lot of news to go through, and I realized that yesterday I was so wound up that I, never got to a funny. You know those of you who are new to the program. Because now we're live at five welcome I liked to try to start the show or somewhere in the opening moments of the program to play something. That that brings forth a laugh or two, because invariably things get kind of serious throughout the course of the hour and. No laughter is really good medicine. So what I've stumbled upon is during the course of this pandemic, a number of. Really creative people around the world who have been making really fun. Funny parody videos. And so I came across this one guy who's in South Africa who is a recording artist to his real name is David Scott, but he goes by the professional name of the Kipness K. I F F any S, and he's made some incurred. The regular listeners of the program could tell you he's made some of the most amazing parody songs videos. because. He is a musician. He's a working musician and I think his. Format of basically like electric music, but he's done some incredible song parodies I put a link on the blog today along with you know put in today's video as well. I'll post the whole thing, so you can see it. Those of you who are just listening perhaps on progressive voices and don't see the video feed I will make sure. To share that with you and so anyway. The. Kipness has been kinda quiet for the last three weeks. I think he might have gotten to a little bit of hot water. He recorded a version of the. He's in South Africa. If I didn't already say that of the South African, national anthem and a couple of video, showing that. Something Weird was going on anyway, so it had been about three weeks in this guy's really prolific, and then finally today sure enough. A new video from the kipness popped up on my. Computer screen, and I was so happy to see it, and this one is really good in it works. I've I've hesitated to play a comedy bit in the last few days because our situation is so dire. George Floyd was buried was laid to rest yesterday. I certainly, and that's probably why it imply one because there was just nothing appropriate for the occasion, but this one this new one from the kipness. Is really good, and it fit the mood that we're all experiencing right now. So with no further ado and yes, I will post it for those of you. Who Only hearing the audio feed? That's good enough. But the video adds another element to it so I will post on the blog after the show at Nicole Sandler Dot, com you can always find the days podcast on my blog with at Nicole Sandler dot com slash the date so for today it would be six Dash Ten dash twenty. That's that's simple. And I post every day. Show there, so if you missed it when it's happening, you can always get there and the usual podcasts. APPS as well all right I'm I'm delaying and I. Don't know why 'cause. It's really really good so with no further ado. Take it away the kipness. Hey. This month, being A. Come September twenty two. Starts. We can start Hey. The friend! Committee. You. Can. Be. Sane. and. Show. That it's. Up. Don't be. Mad. Amber? In. You. This. Hey. How awesome was that Hey June? June. Yes, the kipness. You can find his channel on Youtube and again he makes these wonderful parodies in that one I think fit the mood perfectly aren't there's a lot of news to get to today? we will in a moment, but again as we started yesterday. We're trying something. A new because we are streaming on the Progressive Voices Channel Live now at five o'clock eastern every day so we're. We're running commercials on that stream, so fingers crossed. Let's give it a shot again. We'll take a very quick break. And We'll be right back on the progressive. Voices Network. All right I think progressive voices is in spots right now, so while while it's just you and me. Oh and I should run a timer, so I know when a few minutes is up and I can. End The the spots and and get back to this, but but it's us so by the way. Should you care to call in? I, know somebody. We had a very somebody who has persistently calling yesterday. But it wasn't working the way it works on this program basically anytime during the first half hour. If. You've got a burning comment to make feel free to call in a loan. My own producer engineer board up everything I. Don't have anyone screening phone calls, but if you WANNA call in you can nine, five, four, eight, eight, nine, six, four one. Oh, is the number, or you can skype June Nicole Sandler. If I, answer your call I I will take it live if I don't you know well, it's just because I'm busy in something else so I'll tell you what while we are awaiting for the progressive voicestream to come back. I WANNA. Share with you. Something that I watched. Some of There was a hearing this morning. A hearing in the House Judiciary Committee. about? Racial profiling and police, violence and George Plant George Floyd's brother. Knees I think is how you pronounce. His name spoke very passionately, and eloquently made five minutes statement. That's about all I saw of the uring today, but I want to share with you some of what he said. This is a man who has not been in the spotlight before certainly has never testified before a congressional committee about anything serious as police, brutality, and certainly the death of a family member, but here's a little bit of what felonies floyd had to say today to the House Judiciary Committee was our gentle giant. I was reminded. Reminded of that when I watched the video of his murder, he out of his third, he was mild manner. He didn't fight back. He listened to all the offices the man who took his life who suffocated him for eight minutes and forty six seconds. He still call them serve as he begged for his life. I can't tell you the kind of pain. You feel when you watch something like that. When you watch big brother, who you looked up to your whole entire life, di Di big boys, mom, I'm tired. Harper tired of pain. Paying. You feel when you watch something like that. When you watch big brother, who'd you looked up to for your whole life? Da Da begging for his mom. I'm here to ask you to make it stop. Stop the pain. Stop US being tired. George Carl for help and he was ignored. Please listen to the cow. I'm making to you now. To the calls about family and the cows ringing off the streets across the world, people of all backgrounds genders erases, have come together to demand change. On it him. On a George Yeah make the necessary changes that make law enforcement the solution. And not the problem. Hold them accountable when they do something wrong. Teach them what it means to treat. People with empathy and respect teach them what necessary forces teach them that their poor should be used rarely, and only when life they risk George wasn't hurting anyone that day. He didn't deserve to die over twenty dollars I'm asking you is that what a black man is worth twenty dollars like breaking? This is twenty twenty enough is enough. The people marching in the streets are telling you enough is enough by the leaders. That is our country. The world needs the right thing. The people elected you to speak for them to make positive change Georgia's named mean something. You have an opportunity here today to make your name me something to his death end up changing the world for the better and I think it will. Then he died as he lived. It is to make sure his death is not in vain. Again. That was felonies Floyd George Floyd's. Who made a point to mention during his remarks today that he is now the older brother. George was his big brother. He's now the big brother of the family. It's heartbreaking. It's just just horribly sad. But. At least the family I mean they have this feeling that their brother is changing. The world has changed the world. Will change the world. Now just a couple of weeks or a week even or a few weeks? I'm sorry before. George Floyd was murdered at the hands of the Minneapolis police four of them anyway for members of the Minneapolis Police Department. a woman in Louisville. Kentucky was gunned down in her own home now we've talked about Brianna Taylor before. In fact, it was her birth. She would have been twenty seven last week. And today finally three months after Louisville Metro. Police officers fatally shot Brianna Taylor in her apartment. The department has released the incident report from that night. And it is disgusting. It's almost entirely blank. I'm reading to You from the Louisville Courier Courier Journal. Who writes the four page? Report lists the time date, case, number, instant, location, and the victim's name. Brianna Shaquille Taylor as well as the fact that she is was a twenty six year old black female. The, article points out that redact her the her address, the street number apartment, number and date of birth, all of which have been widely reported. And here's where it gets really. Horrible. It List Sir injuries as quote none. None even though she was shot at least eight times and died on her hallway floor in a pool of blood. It lists the charges as death investigation l., M. PD involved, but it checks the no box under forced entry, even though officers used a battering Ram ten knock in her apartment door, using a no knock warrant. It also lists under the offenders portion of the report. The three officers who fired insider, her poor, her apartment, Sergeant John Mattingly Forty seven years old miles cosgrove forty two and Brett Hankinson forty four. But the most important portion of the report, the narrative of events that spells out what happened on March thirteenth has only two words. P., you investigation. And the rest of the report has no information filled in at all. Of course, I had to look up what I you. Investigation Means Public Integrity Unit. seriously. The editor of the newspaper that I'm reading to You from the Louisville Courier Journal said I read this report and I have to ask the mayor, the police chief and the city's lawyers. Are you kidding? This is what you consider being transparent to tax payers in the public. And then he continued at a time when so many are rightfully demanding to know more details about that tragic march evening? I fail to understand this lack of transparency. The public deserves more. Again this happened about twelve forty, a m Taylor and her boyfriend Kenneth. Were Asleep in bed when the three plainclothes officers use this, no knock warrant. Signed by district. Judge Mary Shaw to enter her home as part of an alleged narcotics investigation. The officers say although it's not on the incident report. They say they announced their presence, but her boyfriend Kenneth Walker and several neighbors say did not Walker his said he thought intruders were trying to break in and fired a warning shot that struck one of the officers mattingly in the leg. Mattingly her. Hankinson and Cosgrove are now on administrative, reassignment. Pending the investigation. The detective who requested the warrant somebody named Joshua. Jane's has also been reassigned, but that's about all we know. And, the lawyer, John Fleiss Shankar. WHO's the council for the newspaper and one of the principal authors of the state's open records law that requires the release of public documents in all, but extremely rare circumstances, said this document as proof that Elham. Louisville, Metro Police Department continues to make a mockery of transparency under the Fisher amendment. He said there's been a consistent policy and practice of refusing to tell the public. What is going on with the police? Regardless of how inappropriate the the officer conduct has been even when it was criminal as in the Ellen PD explorer case. So. The the Courier Journal, the newspaper is suing the police department seeking the immediate release of the of the Department's investigative file in the shooting. Something else was released. And, that's the nine one one call. Placed by Kevin Walker. Brianna Taylor's boyfriend. But it was only released by the police department after one of Taylor's attorneys, families attorneys gave it to the news media now I'm going to play it for you, but I'm warning you. This is really difficult to listen to you and one of the most frustrating things when I first heard it I was screaming my daughter Wa- walked in here and said what's the matter I was screaming? Because the nine one one operator isn't even fucking paying attention to what this obviously distressed man is calling about, you'll hear, he says my girlfriend's been shot by an intruder and the operator says she responsive in you know. She responsive and he says No. And then a minute later, she asks the same question again. All right, so brace yourself. Here's that nine one one call placed by Kenneth. Kenneth Walker says name. Sorry operator heckler their emergency. On what happened? It's the body in the door inside my grocery. Located? I'll three three speed field apartment, four, three, zero, zero. Three failed Dr apartment number four. She's just last. How does your girlfriend? Girlfriend. Twenty eight. Shot it. I don't know only grow I gotta go. She's on the ground right now. He's trying to. Fix. She learned able to tie. Bedroom apartment up before. Oh My yes, he already said that you have it. Back. You thank. Angus actually twenty six. Oh my God! That's the third time he has. A row, three filth apartment number four. Okay. You've been shot at. You. Ask that already burned. If? You ask. You not listening to what he's saying. It's amazing to me the inhumanity. Nine one one operator. Can you get her turned over on her back out? A. Wide. Kenneth. Can. Can you hear me? And? Then he hung up, and then he she tried to call him back and he doesn't answer. She asked him three times how old she was! Twenty six. He asked she asked him issue responsive. Able to talk to you. He said no, and then she asked again after she again asked his age. What the? Fuck. This is unbelievable and I don't know gene is asking in the chat room. Where are the cops right now? Because they broke down the door with a battering ram. And and And came in and shot her eight times. I'm story I'm I'm. Distressed by this as we all should be, how does this happen? In America, and how are those cops? They're on administrative reassignment. Are you kidding me. I just this is US standing that this shit goes on up just astounding. And there's more to tell you about I you know. Bill Bar is having a really bad day. And that's okay with me I regarding his efforts to sorry for the quick. Change but let me share with you. This new outright and the cops went into the wrong apartment. No mention of that on the incident report either it's just sickening. Okay onto bill bar because he's thickening, too, so you know it was a couple of weeks ago. Bill Bar announced the Department of Justice wanted to just forget that whole case against Michael Flynn his conviction for perjury, lying to the FBI. and. Barth told the judge. Emmet Sullivan just dropped the charges. Let's just dismiss this and move on and Emmet. Sullivan said Hell No. I don't work for you. I'm a judge. A US district. Court judge and what he decided to do was rather than go along with bars, bullshit dismissal of the charges to which flint already pled guilty. Solve in pause the case. He said he wanted to hear from outside groups and appointed retired New, York federal judge John Gleeson to argue to represent. I guess us we the people against the DOJ's May. Seventh motion to immediately drop the prosecution. Well today there was a formal briefing to judge Sullivan by this retired Judge Gleeson and he called bars attempt to undo the conviction, a quote, gross abuse of prosecutorial power. He submitted an eighty two page opinion and Annet gleason wrote quote Flynn has indeed committed perjury in these proceedings, for which he deserves punishment, and the court has the authority to initiate a prosecution for that crime I respectfully recommend however that the court not exercise that authority rather it should take Flynn's perjury into account in sentencing him on the offense to which he has already admitted guilt. This approach rather than a separate prosecution for perjury or attempt aligns with the courts intent to treat this case and this defendant in the same way, it would any other. Yes A full hearing is scheduled. On July, sixteenth. So that happened today, but that's not all. Then twelve hundred and fifty former justice department workers today signed onto a letter to the Inspector General of the Justice Department Michael. Horowitz calling for an investigation into bars involvement in the law enforcement move if you could call it that last, Monday to push the crowd of peaceful protesters back from Lafayette Square using courses tear-gas. Yes, tear gas and Flash BANGS Quote. In particular, we are disturbed by attorney general bars, possible role in ordering law enforcement personnel to suppress a peaceful domestic protests and Lafayette Square on June I twenty twenty for the purpose of enabling. Trump to walk across the street from the White House and stage, a photo op at St John's Church, a politically motivated event in which attorney general. Bar Participated. That's a quote from this group of more than twelve hundred fifty former justice. Department officials. To to calling for an investigation. Oh poor bill bar. He's having a bad day. Be like John Oliver was toward Tucker Carlson the other not I hope you watch that club. He's having a bad i. hope he's getting some exercise or some. You know doing some yoga or doing something to. You know feel better. No. I don't fuck you. Fuck you, Bill Bar, fuck you and the horse you wrote on. All Right? We've got Jason Leopold coming up in just a moment, so let's try one more quick break. I from our friends for our friends. Whoops I gotta get the right thing up here. This is the kind of cumbersome clunky system, but you know. Hey, I'll go with the flow. will be right back again with Jason Leopold. oops hold on this one okay? On the progressive voices network. All right so while I get Jason on the line and hopefully he should be there. Let me share this with you because you know this show. Runs on your generosity. These are the sounds of crushed souls. The sounds of despair from former manager personalities. Languishing in the purgatory of corporate consolidation. These former radio personalities have lost their livelihoods not because they weren't entertaining or informative, but because they don't lead today's corporate terrestrial broadcast standards of being smelly overweight. Douche bags seething with main bobbing hatred. As radio refugees and their audiences have since migrated to the Internet. But their struggle continues as in the quest for monetization ensues Nicole. Sandler is leading the way to re-establishing thought provoking and entertaining radio, and you can help Mike living the donate button on Nicole. Sandler Dot Com donate today, or as much as often as you can dry the tears of listeners by removing the rotting stench of radio. Won't you help? I think we're back and joining us now is my dear friend. The foia terrorist nothing terrorist is. About him, Jason Leopold Jj's. Nicole. See You. In your in your whole studio setup. And it's cool to see you, too. Although there you go okay now you're moving a little bit I'm still trying all this new You know new new toys that I. have with the setup so I can bring in video now. You're seeing me from the side. You're not seeing the that's going out to the to the. Don't scream yeah. So Jason Leopold first of all. How are you guys holding up with this whole pandemic craziness bill? It's still surreal. Obviously! What surreal about it honestly is the fact that? You have to live through it, but also have to report off. So you know serving as a in these two different capacities wanted a father trying to get my kid. Masan to acclimate to go to school online at the same time. You know trying to find out what happened behind the scenes reporting on it and it's just. Surreal you know, tell you the truth. It's It's nice to be in La I. IT feels a bit more stable here if you will. It's It's just. It's been hard and the. Speed, we've actually gone furloughs of awesome, really really really really amazing journalists as as a result of this because the economic downturn, right? I saw that you you. You wrote in a message to me last night that you're saying goodbye to all these friends now did they expect that these people will eventually come back or do you think those jobs are gone? it's unclear, but it also seems unlikely I mean doesn't be like anything getting better yet. You know economically which I'm sure you and I. Can you know consider in talk about this for some time? Which is unbelievable to me to to see what's playing out in real time where you have massive unemployment academy that tanking pandemic, you know. Up Protests over police brutality, the death of George is. It feels like there's her storm. and. It's remarkable to actually even through the back to pandemic just. Knowing that. There's more than a hundred thousand people who died. And the president has as. I'm not in comment about. No no, because he's more concerned with the stock market. Then with you know the lives that are being lost and now today he's announced that starting. I guess next week. He's going to pick up start. Start doing rallies again in places like Florida and Arizona two states, where the the the the the numbers of infections are on the rise again it's. The whole thing's seen. It is and it, and it does feel insane and it's exhausting by At, the work still needs to be done. The reporting still needs to be done, so it's it's. You know got got at this point after these you have to report these stories in my personal opinion for almost for historical purposes an reasons because they are completely trying to cover up what what took place behind the scenes. What's been happening with? The documents? Say I can tell you just on the on the. Coronavirus covid nineteen pandemic I already have like two or three freedom of Information Act lawsuits against the government against a wide range of agencies in the reason I. have that is because we don't know what happened really behind the same. We need to see those documents. We need to see what the CDC. You know how they communicated with the White House Task Force. There is a lack of transparency and and the public needs to. Know, what What's been taking place? We do, but when when they do talk to us, they lie, so it's like I can't you I? Don't believe anything that comes out of this administration. Jason do you. Know. Angry! I don't believe. and honestly you know I have questions for all administrations because I never. I, never just take the word for at too high right over here. You can't see it, but I have a poster. From I F stone. Who is a former? You know a late muckraking stone. It was based on the movie poster from a- from a documentary did, but it's. It's titled All Governments Y. And you know that that's my? That's the maximum if you will that that I live by, it's you know it's. It's why I ask for documents. I want to see what they're actually saying. Right and and it should be noted that I believe it was the Obama Administration who dubbed you the foia terrorist. What yeah so this has been going on for a while. I should also mention before we get into this current story that on Friday. Former Alabama, Governor Don Siegelman will be here for the better part of our. He has a new book out called Oh and I have it in the other room almost I've got like twenty pages left stealing our democracy, and although I knew about his case, he was targeted by Karl Rove and set up and prosecute. He was like the original political prisoner in this country and. And what was done to him is just reprehensible and as I'm reading this book. It's all coming back to me and even more, because I wasn't aware of a lot of you know the machinations that went on in the in the courtroom and stuff that Karl Rove and that Bush justice. Department did to this man who was the Democratic Governor of Alabama is just unbelievable and I bring that up. Because you've had your own run INS with Karl Rove in covering him and try to right Oh. Yes I have. It's It's obviously I. It seems like a lifetime. Go that. That's a place with Don Siegelman. Yeah, I remember very well. Reporting wanted what was happening and the politicisation. That will take place. As a related, his case and Yeah just the. You know the prosecutorial the alleged prosecutorial misconduct so that. That was that was chilling. At that time, it was chilling and so when you look at what this trump administration is doing, and the the Bill Bar Justice, department, can you say it's worse than the Bush? Justice Department under Alberto Gonzales when they fired all of those US attorneys that they had appointed in the first place because they weren't doing their political bidding strongly enough I mean. Is there any difference between the two? That's a really really good question. I think is a question that has not been asked. and it's really important. I was having I just had a conversation. With a friend just moments before I. Start speaking with you and we were discussing history, and you know the fact that people don't really have right now. Good crass history now we remember what the Justice Department you know under George Bush. there was an officer legal counsel there and that off illegal council created a memorandum that essentially gave the Bush administration and the CIA the authorization to torture right so that that's right. That's bad That's that's beyond bad. That's a it's a crime. There were efforts to try to bring you know these folks up on work on. There was you know essentially ways in which they tried to twist the law to fit the intelligence or the facts. At the Justice, department ask these other agencies, but specifically the at the Justice Department. Things happened that what are arguably far worse than what's happening now? Right So. Yeah I would say that as it relates to the first turn first term of Bush's first term. It was worse it was worse because of. Of of what they actually did in terms of how it? Related to the law here. under bar. It is becoming progressively worse. What's what's important to note about? He's actually only been attorney general for a little over a year. Wow, well. This time he was not yet back in back in the nineties. You know. Yeah, he's. He has a history, but under right now, but the way in which he has. Completely turned that department on its head is just unreal and the ways in which he is apparently dealing with a Bush at trunks bidding. Is It's remarkable to see so the difference. Is that under Bush? We didn't see that. Play out so openly so publicly right right? It took years and years and years to understand how they did that. So it does make it worse now to some degree I know I sound satellite contradiction justice to see what's happening, but it's also. There's a benefit to it right meaning to because it gives you a at least an effort to to do something about it to To challenge it so Yeah, so it's it's. It's funny. One of my cases you know the. The judge presiding over my efforts to unredacted the the full mullah report. He issued an opinion essentially said that ill are cannot be trusted. Album Liar said he misled the public. Wow! This is playing out now where you know, another judge is saying that you're the Michael Flynn case should not be dismissed. I just reported on that. This is the guy that the judge Sullivan of then appointed debate, basically be the people's advocate, and to argue you know against what bill bar wants, which is complete. Dismissal of the charges against him to which he had already pled guilty, so and I just I reported on that right at the top of the show. This judge retire judge. John. Gleeson said Hell No, you need to prosecute this guy need to sentence him for what he's already been found guilty of. Right? Yeah, right so. So you can see the you know the ways in which the justice. Department is an Am Bill Maher acting as fronts, personal attorney, and it. Honestly you know to kind of use that comparison with the Bush administration it remains to be seen. What they have done that? We don't know about whether it when it comes to legal opinion, and you know any efforts that May. Pertain to national security operations that we don't know about right so and it will take time to learn that, but as we can see it playing out publicly right now, it's terrible and as I reported last week. You know the story that we don't offer That That that is one example. Let's go into it, so it was just a week ago today. I believe that you broke another big scoop your your keep doing this Jason Your reported about a memo from the DA to justice, requesting this new authority to conduct covert surveillance and collect intelligence on people participating in protests over the killing of George, Floyd and a senior Justice Department official signed off on it last week bar issued a statement in which he blamed without providing evidence, anarchistic and far left extremists using ANTIFA like tactics. Give me a fucking break so this story, the DA the DA is Drug Enforcement Administration are they supposed to be used in this manner and test spy on. No have they done it before? Yes, I have they done it. Back in. Nineteen Ninety two or earlier that when Bill Bar was? At rural yes, so. There and it's the kind of break this down for you Yeah. This is very this memo. That was prepare on May thirty first just as our gave released a statement calling. Anti and. And Protesters more or less, you know, terror right, yeah! an-and day after trump tweeted the same I check the Meta data on that Nemo admitted says it was prepared by the DA's deputy chief counsel. Robert Leeson was really important to note here. If you can see it on the story on the memo says it was a A. Address if the person who was writing it or sending rather was Timothy Shay, rank the acting administrator of the DA. He's also close. Confidante of ours is former aide of course. Also is also the US attorney that overrule other prosecutors in the Michael Flame case and went to core. And saw the dismissal of the charges against Michael Flynn. At the DA for about two weeks. Oh, my God. Of this memo is extraordinary because it's essentially grant has the Justice Department has granted the DA the sweeping new powers to. Spy On protestors to collect intelligence to essentially. Enforce any federal crime to question them to. Interrogate them There is nothing built into the memo. That protects constitutional rights. Of people participating in protests at to to? Speak Freely Exercise Their First Amendment Rights so. It appears to be. Like an operation. What I found after ordering this is that. the DA sent. Dozens of agents in Washington DC. They have agents from the Special Response Team, which is essentially the as version of Swat. Group that also or a team that also? Conducts Ducts Surveillance what they agents coming in from from Boston there may have been as many as one hundred fifty there. It's unclear. By This authority was granted to the DA for two weeks beginning on May thirty first, so it remains to be seen whether it will be extended and I think that it will likely be extended. Protests continue, so this was on. A nationwide basis is not just for DC for for Minneapolis. This is you know a a nationwide effort and it's part of a larger effort. Way. Our Bill using bill bars words. He is saying that he's. They're trying to get a law. Enforce federal law enforcement served into. The protest. In an effort to essentially try to say that there are in the protesters are are part of an organized. You Know Group They're the other well-funded, so it can support. What trump has said which is, they're terrorists? Right. My sources, and and from what I gathered just in the reporting over the past week I've seen is that they are moving quickly in that direction, and that Nicole is so unbelievably dangerous. It is Jason Leopold as I'm noticing I've got an article up here from ABC. News Intel dated last night. Intelligence bulletin warning of protest. Related violence makes little mention of quote ANTIFA which we've discussed at length here because there is no such, it's not an organization and the only way it's mentioned in here sort of like in a footnote. As an aside the. And and it's this reporting has been echoed by everyone from the nation to NPR to buzzfeed news and everyone beyond this gives. Gas Lighting pure and simple. There is no antiga doing this, and in fact when you dig into these reports, we see that it's a lot of white supremacist groups. In some cases, the clan right and they don't go there. They don't call out any right-wing nutjob organizations. They don't call out the clan or or a white supremacists as they should. Well. That's what makes this dangerous home is that they're targeting? People. Who? They're claiming are terrorists manner. A bill vars doing so without any evidence yet wrong. Out Any evidence, and essentially I. Don't know if it's it's to you know, convince their base, or or or maybe the public at large shoes unclear. On what energy is? ANTIFA ought without as you noted without mentioning the people that actually have been. Identified as infiltrating participating agencies like the FBI whether you believe the FBI or not, which you know, well known white supremacist groups, so yeah, the the the. The documents that have been released that the intelligence all kinds for example that you're citing from your. There's no evidence there. We already know that in New York the I'm people who were picked out task Russian for you know for whatever reason whether it's They were accused of a crime. They've been also by the FBI and they've been asked about their. ANTIFA ties on, so it's. There is a concerted effort to try and target is. People when I say these people I don't mean these people you are. Part of an imaginary or Dacian and. Wright. Changed her name to anti-fascists Nicole Sandler. The whole thing is just so insane there. For them to go after quote Antifa when you realize antifascist, so they're going against the people who are against Fascism yeah. Well, yes, I mean it's it. Look look what we're doing we're. We're trying to understand the insanity. That you know behind? What they're you? Why. They're doing what they're doing, right? That's what also makes it so dangerous. Okay, you want the Attorney General. The United States, using the full force, the FBI the DA, the alcohol tobacco, and Firearms ATF Department of Homeland Security. The national, guard to target prosecute. individuals who are exercising their first amendment rights. An End Jesse this memo when I looked at this memo Nicole, I was blown away the first thing I saw was. Covert surveillance and you know I immediately went into reporter mode, which was I need to get this story out. I need to a story and in the weeks since we've written the story on nearly fifty members of Congress, which includes powerful. You Know Democrats. Such as whole such as Dianne Feinstein such as. Mark Warner the vice chairman of the of the intelligence. The Judiciary Committee, How. Are you know any. They've written to to our Juche and to say essentially. This has to stop you. Demand Give us an immediate briefing which we know that that the justice. Department will just on their nose at so you know. It's it's GonNa take more than just sending a letter, but at least they've put it on notice and I think that's why it's important. This is my whole point about transparency, right? This is what I was saying at the beginning of the show, which was this is why this this this information needs to be out in the fact that we're able to get this out just. Two days after it was signed is You know I I was amazed at that because I had no idea that this exists now. We're trying to figure out if the FBI or or VHS or any other agency has similar. Authority have they been granted sweeping new? You know authorities life the right you know In the centers. You've mentioned Jerry Nadler Jerrell jerrold. Nadler heads up the chair of the House. Judiciary, committee. And Karen Bass is on is on that committee. The two of them responded Friday calling the expansion of the drug agency's powers antithetical to the American people's right to peacefully assemble and to exercise their constitutional rights without undue intrusion. They demanded that bar and Shea immediately rescind this new authority granted the DA and ask for a briefing detailing the time line and rationale for the expansion of authority. That's you know that's what I want to say, but we'll never get. That will will because they just say no. They say we're not they. They wrote. There I don't see that happen because one. I believe they've asked for that well. They ask for that to happen today, so we'll see. It's already six o'clock on the east. Coast I kinda out Yup Aweso. It'll take a follow up with With Nabire F. Feinstein in Warner. And and and the Senate Chuck Schumer in this and other senators extent that they wanted information, as of Monday or as I can tell days never received it so. Yeah, it's it's. It's again just ignoring the oversight. They're trying to perform some oversight. Ignored but Jason so in Reading Don, Siegelman book all these relations are coming up and I. I didn't realize it at the time. I didn't make the connection until. Yesterday reading this. This passage that Karl Rove did the same thing that trump flunkies are doing just refused to testify, said refuse to accept the invitation refuse to comply with subpoenas when he finally did speak, it was. Not under oath it was got the questions in advance I mean. This is nonsense and I gotta ask to the Democrats ever play hardball like this with the Republicans or do they just show up like Hillary? Clinton did to testify for eleven hours because she was asked to. I haven't seen A similar play with the Democrats I think. You know I I remember that in the Bush Years I. Remember I think it was Harry Myers. Amount mistake was White House counsel. Trying to Earth testimony but you know there was. A? White an effort to you know to block at year. It's another level because there's simply too sank. No ignore it. Penalizes ignore everything? Because what's the only mechanism to enforce it well, you know I. Send the Sergeant at arms are well, but. They're not they knew. Yeah and so they're essentially, you know it's a game of chicken. They're Pollard blossom, and that's Edney put out a bunch of press releases, but they've already tested. You know you're not ours to say in how. Is your ignoring the subpoena. Go to court. But again the point is is to try to get. Testimony in a timely manner. In. Is being dragged out, so you know there really is a A. You know the way in which the you know. The full force of the Justice Department is being used against you know citizens, and and how that's taking place right now. The and how on the one hand you know as we talked about earlier. SORTA connected, but you know seeing what the Justice Department is doing with Michael Flynn. And you have the same people now involved in trying obtaining this expanded authority to spy on citizens I mean it's it's You know all the dots connect here. Yeah. Most definitely and again and I'm seeing as as bad. We knew that the Bush administration was bad. And we know we're watching real time. Just the the undoing of norms, and just the way things have always been done that weren't previously questioned and and I. IT kills me to watch the. Democrats still play by the old rules. Part of me says well good. They're doing what they should do because we need a sense of normalcy back again, but you gotta fight fire with fire, don't you? Yeah I can understand your frustration. Right you, you're. You're seeing the ways in which you know whether it was during the Bush years. Cheney you know the way in the ways that in which these folks behaved and seeing it. Similar, similar way now, but in some ways it's also far worse and. You feel powerless. Yeah, you want them to do something but to do something that is, that is aggressive that. It is not playing chess, but his actually far more aggressive. And, you're right. They're not doing it, so it's it's. It's frustrating that they're not doing that, but people are. You know are left powerless there. That's the thing this is why. Again this gets into a whole other dynamic profligate. Talk about another time, but it's wife teeth starts to set. You start to see this happening A, and what I mean is a lack of accountability. Right go back years. There was no accountability. Not and people were just so upset because nobody was enforcing accountability W was being held accountable for for lying in the country and war. For presenting a you know a false. to to to invade. Iraq and in many many many many other things and here you know it's it's the same thing, and so that's that's what happens. People will start to tune out because they can't do anything else by. You know if there is your connection to to what's happening. With regard to the protesting I think that you know to see people go to the White House, as well That's what after look. At this point as as the only way to speak up. It's. There the you can't count on. Your elected. Representatives to? To do that at this point now. That's why we have to keep writing them to do the right thing, but look we saw. The Republicans deny the last Democratic president the right to appoint to nominate a Supreme Court justice for just about a year they held that seat open, and we don't see the the Democrats. Stopping any of the horrible appointments that that trump is making I want to see them fight fire with fire, and frankly our only line of defense, really our elected officials. We need to stay on them, or and we need to stay in the streets so. You know I don't know I did nothing. We've never seen anything like this in history before and Jason. Thick keep in mind. Is that this is you know for for us? For men for people who've been around way longer, it may not be but I think that for many people who are who have grown up post, nine eleven right or a little before It's unique this new that anything like this. They don't have a grasp on history to understand. You know what it was like before so. I hear him. Jason Leopold Art Progressive. Voices already ended. I've kind of got my timing better, but. We're still going out to youtube and everyone else. Thank you so much. The work you're doing is so important. I gotta ask you one last question. Since now we're over time anyway. The did I. Just say you tweet out something in the last day or two that a foia request. You made something like seven years ago. Just came in yes. Yes Nicole seven years ago. Filed a request records and I just got that. Away let me let me just get it. Get it. Back Pages Oh. Oh, my gosh redacted. Redacted Yuck. I waited. One. Wow it's. I waited seven years for this next. In August of two thousand Thirteen, Oh, my goodness, oh my God all right well, somebody who's never change and yet and and they're calling you a terrorist, so you're. You're in good company, you and Martin. Gang gone or whatever you pronounce. I you know anybody who doesn't. Drank the Donald Trump kool-aid. They feel compelled to call a terrorist so I guess you know you embrace the term foia terrorist a couple years ago. You know we are proudly I suppose. Why do yeah, I know Jason? Leopold, you the best find Jason of course at Buzzfeed. News on twitter at Jason Leopold and when you see a big breaking story that everyone is carrying and chances are, if you trace it back like with this da story being able to. Covertly surveillance. You, can thank Jason Leopold. You're the best Jason. Nicolle thank you. Thank you all right. I'll talk to you soon. Take Care, bye, The awesome Jason Leopold all right without we are done for. Well, for for the day. Tomorrow Thursday Howie. Klein will be here, Friday, as I mentioned Don Siegelman will be here and we keep going. Thanks for listening I'll see you tomorrow A. You know what I'm going to leave you. Because I didn't even get to Georgia and what happened with the primaries yesterday, so I'm GonNa play, what's news will let lots news playoffs out because I did cover the the insanity in not only Georgia, but Nevada as well. And remind everybody. Do what you need to do to get a mail in ballot in absentee ballot, whatever because you take your chances by going to a polling place on November third chances are you're going to be screwed over? Just like they were in Nevada where the last polling place closed at like three thirty in the morning, because people were waiting in line for so many hours in Georgia, it was well after midnight. This has got to stop. Our votes need to be counted so vote by mail all right so I will leave you with today's. What's news? We'll see you tomorrow. Thanks for listening everyone. By. then. It's time for Nicole Sandler's. What's news from Nicole Sandler Dot Com and the progressive voices network. Georgia Nevada South Carolina and West. Virginia held primary elections on Tuesday. There were so many voting issues in Georgia that state officials are now calling for investigations. Voters waited in line for hours. Some precincts extended voting well into the night election officials blamed the delays on technical issues and a shortage of poll workers due to the pandemic. The State Election Board is already investigating the handling of absentee ballots in Atlanta Fulton County of major concern, now is the idea that these issues could be an ominous preview of what could happen in November's general election. Nevada. Experienced widespread problems at the polls some voters were waiting in line for three hours or more at limited polling places in Las Vegas despite Nevada. Encouraging people to vote by mail due to. The Corona virus. Meanwhile groups across the country are reporting growing voter registration numbers amid recent surges of activism, other voter oriented group Sir seeing a rise in volunteer, support and donations. Family friends and dignitaries gathered in Houston on Tuesday for the funeral of George Floyd, the unarmed black man killed in Minneapolis police custody two weeks ago. People who grew up with Floyd in Houston were in attendance as were relatives of Eric, Garner a new. York man who died in a police chokehold and those of Ahmed Arbitrary, a twenty five year, Old Georgia man fatally shot in February while jogging. Civil Rights Leader Reverend Al Sharpton delivered a Eulogy. Saying Floyd's death quote was not just a tragedy. It was a crime, and he pointed a finger at wickedness in high places. You now trying to figure out how you won't stop the protest rather than how you stop the brutality. You calling your cabinet in trying to figure out how it's going. Affect your vote rather than has gone a frank our lives. New Scheme and on how you can spend the storage rather than you can achieve justice. Wait Kid! At high prices. You. Take rubber bullets and tear gas. Out peaceful protests, and then take a Bible and walk in front of A. and Use a check as a problem. Wickedness in high places. You a pin walking across that street when the checks had the ball. You holding up no Bible when opry was killed in Brunswick. When Taylor was. In Louisville. When miss it had braces presumptive Democratic presidential nominee. Joe Biden appeared via video a day after meeting with the Floyd family and person and Houston. Now is the time for racial justice. That's the as we must give to our children when they ask why. Because when there's justice for George Floyd. We will truly be on our way to racial justice in America and then as you said you. Daddy will have changed the world. Senate Republicans are now working on legislation to address police reform, one of many nationwide changes mobilized by ongoing protests over racism and police brutality. A Task Force led by the Senate's. Republican member Tim Scott of south, Carolina sent Republican offices, a draft of a proposed justice act focused on issues of reporting accountability training and community relations. This is a big turnaround for the Senate, which not long ago was dismissive of acting on the issue. Democrats already unveiled their own proposal, which goes further and dictating specific changes including banning chokehold officials in states including New, York, Florida and California already have moved to ban the use of neck restraint by police. In Co, Vid News at least twenty eight states are not following. Guidelines for Corona virus reporting, which could make it more difficult for health experts and lawmakers to decide what to do next. The states are not reporting probable cases which include people who show evidence of an infection without the confirmation of a laptop. Accurate rates of new cases health officials track how the disease is spreading an informed decisions about how and went to loosen restrictions. These shoddy reporting numbers come as nineteen dates or seeing increases in their corona virus. Cases in Arizona things have gotten so bad again that the state has told a toss battles to activate emergency plans. More than one point, nine million people have been infected by the virus in the US and more than one hundred twelve thousand have already died. So, it's been over a month since Donald Trump suggested ingesting disinfectant to fight covid nineteen and subsequently, and did the circus of his daily briefings to to the backlash. The Nation's top infectious disease expert Dr Anthony. FAUCI has been virtually silenced ever since. But he emerged on Tuesday for an interview with CNBC in which he proclaimed. The ongoing pandemic is far from over now we have something that indeed turned out to be my worst nightmare something. That's highly transmissible in a period. If you just think about it in a period of four months, it has devastated the world, and it is an over yet. He continued asking. Where is it going to end? Where still at the beginning of really understanding and added that in just four months the virus has quote devastated the whole world. And finally yesterday I told you about the Vard. County Florida Police Union president who sent a facebook post inviting cops accused of misconduct in other cities to apply for jobs in Florida well. Thankfully, he's been suspended Boulevard County. Sheriff Wayne Ivy said that Burke Gaiman a lieutenant at the agency and President of the Bravado County. Fraternal Order of police was suspended with pay while an internal investigation is conducted. 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What young men need to know about testicular cancer

Mayo Clinic Q&A

14:34 min | 7 months ago

What young men need to know about testicular cancer

"Welcome everyone to mayo clinic. Qna i'm dr kalina gonzaga. It's great to be with you today. Thanks for joining. Compared with other types of cancer to stickler cancer is relatively rare but to stimulate cancer is the most common type of cancer in males between the ages of fifteen thirty five Particularly in the united states to stickler cancer is highly treatable even when the cancer has spread beyond the testicle depending on the type and stage there simple treatments or combinations of treatments available. And we're gonna learn about those today here to discuss this with us. Is dr matthews eagle men urologist at the mayo clinic. Thanks for being here today. dr siegelman. Good morning dr zalka. It's it's absolute pleasure and thanks for the invitation well. November is men's health month and so we want to be sure to get a men's health topics in so thanks for joining us to to share a little bit. Would you tell us a little bit about how it's someone no. They might have to stickler cancer. what are the symptoms. You know sometimes cancers when they present present with pretty obvious symptoms but with testicular cancer. A lot of times. It's just feeling a lump in the testicle so Most men who who present with particular cancer don't have pain Don't have discharge or systemic symptoms like fever or chills. But they're they have a change in how the testicle feels the shape of the testicle or the look of the scrotum so often times. It's it's a young man or an older man who comes in and says. Hey doc i feel something different. When i'm when. I'm feeling down in the area. The testicles or this is one of those types of cancer that seems to have a lot be shrouded in a lot of mystery and have some myths that surround it and so we hear about what might cost a singular cancer and hoping you can clarify for some of the myths. That i have read are just riding. Your bike caused stickler. Cancer does injury to your testicle caused to stickler cancer just having a semi increase. Your risk i've heard all those myths. I've been asked all those questions in the of carrying for young men The short answer is that to our knowledge. None of those things riding a bike having a vasectomy prior injury to the testicle. None of these things Have been shown to increase your risk of testicular cancer with respect to the bike riding. That may that may pertain to some of the prominent figures that have been diagnosed with testicular cancer in the past. I think with respect testicular injury. If someone injures growing they're more likely to be kind of paying attention to the area so they may notice something. That's different our as they wouldn't have been paying attention easy earlier and as far as of a sect demy you know there are at least half a million victims performed in the united states each year. And there's a far far less Diagnosis of cancer. And there's no good evidence that that that's associated with testicular cancer. I think the biggest risk factor here is one. Just being a man so having testicles. We know that men who have a family history of testicular cancer. So maybe they're day ad or brothers have been diagnosed with that that would be an increased risk As well as Having in what's called an undescended testicles. So some Men are born with a testicle. That's that's not all the way down into the scrotum it kind of sits up higher. Sometimes that requires surgery and we know that that's also a risk factor for testicular cancer. Why is it then that this is a cancer that straits young men rather than the more elderly or older people in reality to stickler cancer can occur in men of all ages really more prominent in young men Because other cancers are less common right so the most common cancers in older men are things like prostate cancer colon cancer lung cancer whereas in young men. Those cancers are far less common and so for one thing. The testicular cancer is just more prominent relative to these other diagnoses conditions. That may predispose to testicular cancer. Like i said the High-riding testicle that you're born with the undescended testicle those Those occur early in life. These men may be more likely to develop these changes to the testicle into the cells within the testicle that ultimately resulted in formation cancer. You mentioned a couple of times. Now about undescended testicles in it sometimes individual may require surgery to correct that you are there other ways that men can prevent just cancer from developing. I think to me the most important thing is just as a young man getting to know your anatomy So often times. We'll talk about testicular self exams. And to an extent that's just a every so often feeling testicles feeling the structures within the scrotum and sort of what your baseline is so if something changes you can then recognize it. I think also in general the better your overall health the less likely you are to develop cancer so whether that's Modifying your stress getting good sleep. Eating a heart healthy diet exercise all those things can really be beneficial for your overall wellbeing And that's certainly true for all forms of cancer including testicular cancer. So a young man might find a lump. Might be the way that this that this would be discovered in his testicle and after getting up the courage to ask someone about it. What are the steps in diagnosis. So i think anytime. A young man notices a new lumper of bump in the testicle it can be very stress provoking for that young man but just important to know that there are a lot of other reasons that you can have a lump a bump in the testicle and so the first step is really to just get into to visit with a health care professional to have a an examination. Oftentimes if we feel something abnormal will will do. What's called a testicular ultrasound. And that's a noninvasive tasks. There's no pain associated with that is just a way for us to actually image and take pictures of the testicle to look and see. Is that a lumper bump something. That's concerning for testicular. Cancer will usually also get blood tests looking for what are called. Tumor markers in these are Basically compounds that we can measure in the blood that are sometimes associated with stickler cancer. Sometimes the tumors can secrete specific chemicals An ultimate if we're highly suspicious for testicular cancer in this is different than some other types of cancer the way we diagnose this is actually to get a tissue diagnosis by removing the testicle Via a surgery. It's an outpatient surgery. the recovery is is pretty quick and most guys do august. Do really well without surgery but but really that is the way. We make that final diagnosis. What are the treatment options that are available. And how do you know which treatment to give a young man testicular cancer. In general the the treatment algorithm always starts again with that surgical removal the testicle for the majority the vast majority of men. That's the treatment. Once you remove those cancer cells removed the testicle. That oftentimes is all that that man will ever need for treatment of their testicular cancer. We do need to follow people closely because there is a chance that cells can spread outside the body. I call them rogue cells for most men. That's the that's the treatment now if there's been Cancer that spread outside. Oftentimes that will. I go to lymph nodes that sit in. The back of the abdomen can spread to other places in the body. We diagnose that usually by. Cat scans and other types of imaging and that may prompt us to consider other forms of treatment like chemotherapy or even radiation or surgery or some combination thereof. But even in that setting. I think really important to emphasize one thing. I emphasize when. I'm i visiting with a patient saying i'm suspicious for testicular. Cancer is that this is an extremely treatable form of cancer. The survival rates even in the setting of men who've had Cancer spread outside of the testicle are extremely high far greater than ninety percent. And so i think really when people leave the office. I want them to have sort of that. That sense that we're going to tackle this together. And this is a is a bump in the road. As far as that's concerned the way we treat cancer whether it's urologic cancers or elsewhere there's been so many leaps and bounds over the last several decades but specifically in particular cancer. This is one of the most treatable forms of of cancer on the scale things that might be anxiety provoking for a young man. I would think hearing that they must have a testicle. Removed would be really highly anxiety. Provoking does that render any difficulties with sexual function. I think it's important to differentiate the the two aspects of what testicles do for for us in the body and they really two things primarily they make testosterone which is sort of classically considered the male sex hormone and they also produce sperm and the nice thing is is that for most men we have a testicle on the other side that can describe it. Pick up the slack So as far as you know the ability of that testicle to produce enough testosterone for that To to have normal into have normal sexual function absolutely. The vast majority of men will maintain their sexual function. Now sir recovering from surgery and things like that that can that can make people feel a little bit out of their element. But but ultimately long-term sexual function should be maintained for most men Fertility off as well for the majority of men they'll maintain fertility because the sperm production will be picked up by the other side. Now once we start getting into those other types of treatments for more advanced to stick your cancer with chemotherapy radiation other types of surgery. That's a little bit more nuanced. But for the majority of men again we're we're curing their cancer by removing the testicle We're maintaining fertility and sexual function and another important thing as we're talking about the talking to these young men before surgery will always. I think everyone should be asking about this. If this isn't brought up in the context of a visit will always offer fertility preservation. Where the yeomen will leave us some Seen samples so that we can freeze that sperm so that if fertility is affected down the road we have the ability for that man in his partner to conceive. Does a single testicle produce half of the sperone that testicles did or when you say picking up the slack you have the same production later from the data that's available. It seems like if you look at the numbers of sperm that are produced in a sample. That may go down slightly. It's not fifty percent though. So the the other testicle has the ability to produce more than fifty percent of the normal sperm count And when you look at does that slight decrease in sperm count affect your ability to conceive. It doesn't look like it has a meaningful impact so the ability to conceive spontaneously with your partner seems to be seems to be maintained which which is great news for our patients very reassuring considering the age range that we're talking about people who are looking forward to starting families at some point such actually you mentioned earlier. The advances that have been made in the last two years and decades in the in the field. And i'm wondering what is the research. That's currently ongoing regarding stickler cancer and what do you think is coming down the pike. There's always been A lot of cutting edge research looking at how we can better stage patients. Meaning how you know when you come back for your follow up after the testicles removed are we will kind of scans are we doing. We're trying to minimize radiation exposure and things of that nature. I really think the most the hottest topic these days pertains to briefly mentioned this. There's these chemicals that we measure in the blood called tumor markers that are secreted by certain types of tumors and there's a lot of nuance there And there's a lot of imperfection in some of these markers but lately there's been an interest in What's called micro aren. A which is a really fine tuned cellular marker that we can measure in the blood that seems to be a great resource for us to to identify those patients who may have recurrence of their testicular cancer. But we're not seeing it on their images and so this may actually be an opportunity for us to further enhance our follow up for our young men and a safer and more efficacious manner and ultimately that may lend towards differences in how we offer chemotherapy and radiation therapy surgery. No we just finished a trial up here at mayo clinic for patients who had more advanced testicular cancer. Where historically they'd be offered radiation or chemo and instead we're offered surgery and we are one of the leading centers here And the outcomes look very promising. The final results have been published yet. But you know the ability to avoid chemotherapy and radiation and undergo a surgical procedure where young men tend to recover quite. Well i is is a really nice option that could change the face of how we how we treat advanced testicular cancer so lots of lots of cutting edge research being done throughout the united states throughout the world. And even here mayo clinic. It's really exciting. Thanks for being with us to share about this. Today are thanks to. Mayo clinic urologist. Dr matthews eagle men for being here today to talk to us about diagnosis and treatment for cancer. remember men. it is men's health month in november. We call it november. So we encourage you to see your provider with your questions or to seek out your preventative. Health maintenance exams this month mayo. Qna is a production of the mayo clinic news network and is available wherever you get and subscribe to your favorite podcasts. To see a list of all male clinic podcasts. Visit news network dot mayoclinic dot org. Then click on podcasts. Thanks for listening and be well.

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