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Teddy Roosevelt Vs. Baseball, Worst High School QB Ever, Sid Luckman's Family Secret

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Teddy Roosevelt Vs. Baseball, Worst High School QB Ever, Sid Luckman's Family Secret

"This is only a game. I'm Karen given now look ahead to the stories. We'll be watching on this Monday. The death on October fifth two thousand nine. ABC's America this morning reported that the United States was considering in sending thousands more troops to Afghanistan firefighters. Were battling a wildfire that threatened to resort town in California the first doses of the swine flu vaccine were now available in Indianapolis and Memphis and the Washington nationals had the worst record in major league baseball when the hits. It's our scarce. A for some in Washington are often the highlight of the game. ABC's Karen Brian Swanson is an associate professor of history at the University of New Mexico during the changeover in the fourth inning. The Washington nationals have a president's race the concept is simple four presidents one mad dash to the finish line. You know the president said these big headed mascots. The four presidents from Rushmore. Teddy Roosevelt is the clear fan favorite and a lovable loser. Theodore Roosevelt the Kid Theodore Roosevelt Mascot. Just lost every time Teddy's epic losing streak has earned him a cult following and his diehard fans. Still have hope all right tonight. Give me the night you'd never know it could be once. Roosevelt losing kind of became this story story. It did become a rule for a long time that they don't let Teddy Win. Can you describe some of the things. The nationals have done to keep teddy from winning. Because they've gone to some pretty extreme lengths right. Oh Yeah Yeah. I mean all kinds of crazy things early in the season one year. The Easter Bunny jumped out of the stands and tackled Roosevelt. Looks like get hurt. Yeah they've had roosevelt sabotage himself in a number of ways tripping running the wrong direction getting cut off Washington Lincoln and Jefferson have all taken their turns kind of knocking over and so in Washington. DC This became a thing and for a historian like Ryan Swanson this thing it had some real poetry to it because as it turns out if you had to pick a president to fall on his face in a baseball stadium in DC again and again and again teddy. Teddy Roosevelt was the perfect choice. I looked at it as a really nice piece of historical Karma and I thought perhaps they were making kind of a nod history but I never heard any kind of support for the idea that they were really interested in getting their history right. Maybe a good coincidence. Maybe I think so. It all started at the turn of the twentieth century during Roosevelt's first term as President Nineteen ninety-one ninety-two. It's noted that he's gone to several college football games and he's invited boxing and wrestling champions to the White House. Roosevelt even had a tennis court installed on the White House lawn. It's actually worth oval offices. Today we're talking Roosevelt's desk is a mere five six seven feet away from this tennis court just on the other side of the wall. Roosevelt more than any other president before four or cents was obsessed with sports but even though the Washington senators played less than two miles away. Roosevelt had never made the trip by the time. Nineteen thousand three hundred thousand four roll around. Baseball's had its first world series. you start to see kind of some questions. Raised in the press about when the president resident is going to go to a game. Baseball friendly journalists started writing articles specifically aimed at convincing the president that he should go the Supreme Court. Justices go when senators and congressmen go. What about you Mr President? When that didn't work they started comparing baseball to Roosevelt Square deal? You know what's more fair than a batter facing a pitcher you know. It doesn't matter your circumstances in life. It's a real fair transaction and this continues you know nineteen to one two two three four but then Roosevelt wins reelection and baseball really kind of ups the ante at that point. It was nineteen zero five ban. Johnson was the president of the American American League he gets a meeting with President Roosevelt And this is not that unusual Roosevelt. was you know pretty open door especially compared to the White House today. He was interested in hearing from leaders. There's of different sorts and so bad Johnson comes to the White House. He has a meeting with Roosevelt and he explains to the president. You know why why. The national pastime is something that that the president should be a part of and this is where baseball gets the first hint that the president's absence from Baseball Games might not have been an accident. Roosevelt does mention that baseball's always been a struggle for him personally and he mentioned that he was not good baseball as a kid. And really what this boils down to. I think his Roosevelt has really poor eyesight. He gets glasses in his early teen years. And that certainly helps. But Roosevelt can't see very well and of all sports I mean. Visual Acuity is key to baseball right still. The president of the American League and the President of the free world have by all accounts. A pleasant conversation and as things are wrapping up Ban Johnson Presents President Roosevelt with a golden ticket. kind of sounds like Willy Wonka right. I mean it's very intricate. It's got golden lace. This kind of emboss. Very fancy very ornate very serious baseball very serious about itself through much of its history so they give it to Roosevelt and basically what Ben Johnson says says is that this ticket allows him entry into the senators ballpark or any other American League ballpark. Come anytime you want. Bring any number of friends. Listen you know. Bring the Congressmen or senators or something like that. You're into Roosevelt accepts this golden laced ticket from Ban Johnson. Jason and you know very graciously thank you. I'm glad to have this and Johnson leaves this meeting with the President really hopeful. The Washington senators at the time feel so positive advert about the idea of Roosevelt coming to see some games. They actually build a presidential box. It was above the grandstand next to the press box. So everybody's ready. He's got a gold ticket. He's probably we're GONNA come but he doesn't years later Roosevelt's daughter Alice would give history another clue to the president's disdain for America's game she said father and all of us didn't like baseball because we thought it was a mollycoddle game and mollycoddle is not a word. I use very much. I don't know about you probably not right. No you know so translating roughly. You know it's a sissy game. It doesn't fit Roosevelt definition for what a sports should be. What should a sport be well? According being to Roosevelt College football strategic and violent. There's no way around it. Roosevelt thinks that football's ability to cause strain in and stress and physical injury actually contributes to its positive effect on American men. All right so after the first golden ticket didn't work we sort of up the ante so then what happens right so baseball could've given up at this point right. I mean you're doing just fine on its own. The World Series has been organized in nineteen. You know three Popularity you know during Roosevelt's time in the White House from nineteen to one until nineteen o nine. The attendance at Major League Baseball Games doubles so baseball. Might have just kind of said you know what let's hold back. We'll wait for the next president. Taft actually would be baseball friendly But they didn't they doubled down as the one thousand nine hundred seven and season approached. Roosevelt received a visit from a delegation from the National Association of Professional Baseball Leagues the NA PB THE APP today we just call them the minor leagues this is hundreds of teams hundreds of cities. And they come to Roosevelt and they just give them the full court press you know to. He's a basketball metaphor mixing sports here and they tell him. Baseball is America's national game. It's got all the qualities of democracy and freedom and liberty that you should love and they turn over to Roosevelt another golden ticket. This one's pretty close to solid gold. This solid gold ticket was the same size and shape as a normal baseball ticket but fitted with hinges so that it could be folded in half and carried in a vest pocket. How convenient and this ticket allows Roosevelt Entry into any baseball game at any park at any time into the future? So basically come whenever so. They're trying so hard here. They've obviously spent money and time they've gotten a craftsman involved This is the best ticket. Perhaps it's ever been given to anyone in the history of tickets which you'd think woodwork right. It would work for me. I would game if somebody gave me a golden ticket except maybe this wasn't exactly the best way to woo Teddy Roosevelt. Because because spending all this money to create a handcrafted solid gold ticket only further pointed out Roosevelt's most steadfast problem with baseball there. There was too much money in the game. Baseball is in some ways. The most overtly professional sport at this time and Roosevelt sees that open. Professionalization has really tainting painting actively he ascribes to the idea that sports should be done purely for character development and fun and recreation and of course he can write. He's a rich guy. He's been rich his his whole life and so Sports for nonprofit is kind of fits with his way of looking at the world so when the delegation from the N. a. p. a BB l.. Presented Roosevelt with a handcrafted solid gold ticket. He responded as you might expect him to he thanks. His delegation of baseball leaders. I profusely sends them on their way and then never uses the ticket. And this really gets under the skin of Baseball's leadership and it leads to what I call a kind of a Cold War between Roosevelt and baseball's leaders Because it would have been really easy for him just to give in and go to a game right. It's two miles away way. It's close right. Just go to a game for goodness sake right but no he kinda digs in his heels and he refuses to go to a game. It really carries through the entire time when he's president so it was more than a little ironic when just over a hundred years after a Teddy Roosevelt refused to watch a senators game. Nationals channels fans rallied behind Roosevelt the bigheaded mascot version to win a race around the warning track. Teddy Roosevelt does never one one of the president's races and on October third two thousand twelve after five. Hundred Twenty five consecutive losses many philly leave fanatic pops out of nowhere knocks down Washington Jefferson and Lincoln and Roosevelt. WHO's GonNa win this thing? Don't trip teddy. Don't trick Teddy Eddie. Finally they did let him win and then after that he's gone on several kind of mini losing streaks until this past season two thousand nineteen. He actually won the season series. He won the most races. And I you know I kind of joked hoped that if the nats aren't careful if they don't keep their history and order it might come back to bite him but of course the exact opposite happened the the nationals won the world series so kind of reminded me as is a historian. I gotta stay in my lane. You know apparently Ted. He's been forgiven by the baseball. Gods Ryan Swanson's. New Book is called the Strenuous Life Theodore Roosevelt and the making making of the American athlete. Personally I like going to baseball games. But maybe you're like Teddy Roosevelt and you wouldn't bother even with a golden ticket in your pocket that's okay regardless of your feelings on baseball or teddy or gold. We hope you like only a game enough to subscribe glad to the podcast and leave us a review. If you do will send you. Golden ear buds okay. We won't actually do that but please do us. A solid okay. Thanks Josh kief played quarterback for his high school football team and his team lost every single game. Those losses don't stink as much as they once did but I can still feel those failures and the feeling that I personally was a failure. So why is Josh Proud of all the losing he did. That's coming up on only game from NPR. I know we all love the holidays to be this happy stress-free joyful time but let's be real. That is not always the case. NPR's Life Kit is answering your holiday questions and helping you. Navigate family dynamics all season long new episodes does every Tuesday and Thursday. Listen and subscribe to life. Kit All guides I'm Karen given and it's time for three stories. You should know the stadium even all. The road has gone silent. That was the scene at last weekend's Alabama Mississippi State game after Alabama quarterback to atone go via went down with a hip injury. And that's where we'll start this week. I'm joined by bleacher. report's Mirren Fader and by Sports Illustrated's Charlotte Wilder Welcome. Come back to both of you take care. Thank you Karen thrilled to be here all right Charlotte Felicity so to it tongue. Vilo Alabama quarterback back. People were worried about his ankle in this game. He had an injured ankle and that turned out to be the least of his problems. He took a really nasty hit and landed on his hip. Yep and things did not look good. He was screaming in pain in the locker room. I mean it's just like really really heartbreaking stuff for guy who's projected to go number one in in the draft. He had surgery. The prognosis is good. But it kind of makes you think you know immediately after college athlete gets hurt like that. People are very quick to say you know. Well he should have been paid or he shouldn't have been playing a game. They're already winning anyway. And while all of that might be true I think there's a greater raider issue here which is at. It shouldn't take someone getting hurt to drive home. Just how important and how fragile all of these athletes really are. I mean you know other big and strong and then one thing goes wrong. And it's their future earning potential. That's at risk and thank God. Seems like he's going to be okay but he's already slipped out of the first brown and most projected mock drafts and it just really puts everything into perspective about what these kids are risking and putting on the line when they play for free. Yup I don't know what it's GonNa take for people to finally realize. Hey maybe we should change things You look at how much the coaches make. And it's just jarring and I think think we become so desensitized to the disparity and then something like this happens and I just feel like we have the same conversations over and over and over again and in meanwile l.. Kids are really suffering and some do not make it back. What's really interesting to me? This week is watching. How the reaction of the story is different depending on whether you're from a part of the country where college football huge or whether you're from a part of the country were college? Football is not huge. If you're in in college football hotbed you're hearing Alabama coach. Nick Sabin suggesting that by playing so soon after an injury players can quote create value value for themselves by being great competitors and. You're hearing Tom for Nellie at. CBS Sport suggests that we shouldn't be freaking out about to his injury. Because has he wasn't the only Alabama player to be injured in that game two defensive linemen and a receiver were also injured and all three of those players also have NFL prospects so so we should all just see this as part of playing college football. And I just found myself like screaming B. S. at my computer screen so many times by reading some some of the coverage of this injury. I just find it disgusting Charlotte I mean. I think that there's sort of a balanced here right where these kids are playing for a reason they want to be playing and I think it takes on that agency away isn't necessarily fair to the players either because like there is a reason they're such a high level competitors it's because they're competitive because they care and so I do think unfortunately it is just a part of college football. I think football is a sport with an almost just one hundred percent injury rate however. I don't think that means that a it has to be that way or be you can't compensate them to make that risk worth it. The real we'll fix is gonNA come in guaranteeing a little bit of security for the future. All Right Marin your turn. I went to Australia for two weeks. EXT Profile Lamelo ball for bleacher report could not pass down that trump and Yes and you might have heard about Lamelo. He is a fantastic basketball twelve player. But really not much is known about him. We know about his father Lavar. He's outspoken. We know about Lonzo Ball. He's on the PELICANS. But here is this this kid who has expectations to be. You know a top five pick and he sent over to Australia after playing Lithuania the year before and what I found John was a kid deeply introspective about the ways that people exploit him he was kind of forced into this lifestyle of being a basketball player and one day becoming a professional basketball player and he really opened up to us about the weight of celebrity. He said to me people. Don't look at me as Cuban people look at me as has a dollar sign. So he's approaching this future but at the same time for the first time he's really opening up about what everything has meant to him up to this point that he's he's injured. I was struck by how aware of it all he was and I think that there's something both you know hopeful about that because you're going under your eyes open and also very sad you know like there was a real element of sadness to your story where I just. I wanted to be like man I. I'm glad no one knew who I was has until I was like twenty eight and still very few people do know who I am. You know I'm like I'm really. I'm really glad that I was given a lot of time before I was even remotely republic. I cannot imagine growing up in not being completely warped by that on the one hand it is hard to feel bad for a kid who's going to make more money the first year of his career that I will make in my lifetime on the other hand mirror and you made me really feel bad for Lamelo Ball here and I'm not sure what got me. The most was it that the height of his day seems to be getting an Oreo mcflurry because McDonalds old in US puts more oreos in their flurries or was it the his answer to the suggestion that his dad his ruined his career. Career is. You'RE NOT GONNA turn on Your Dad. You only get one dad in the world. I mean this is getting really depressing so mirren. Can you give me something anything to hold onto. That will make me think that this kid is going to turn out. Okay yes Karen. First of all testament to the MIC. flurries they were great. Sorry not to not to negate your point care. But that's like a highlight of my day. Lamelo for all those things that you mentioned in everything that he's gone through he's Actually miraculously poised. He told me in this quote didn't make the peace and I wish it had a you know it just didn't fit. He said to be honest with you mirror and I just feel like nothing will break me. He has everything in the world trying to use him and exploit him and he can't really trust anybody but when I see him in the gym I and I see him shooting around. I see this joy in him. And you know Charlotte Ni- cover a lot of athletes and we encounter people who love the game and who don't love the game people people who just were able to get by because they were athletic or they knew the right person or they had some attribute about them that was worthy Lamelo. Truly we despite not choosing this game loves it and I think he finds refuge in it and I think that that's going to enable him to at least know that. Hey sometimes it is me myself and I but I'm GonNa be okay and there are always make flurries all right so we might all remember that back in April. MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred said that he envisions adding two more teams to Major League Baseball one in the eastern time zone and one in the Pacific Time Zone. Well well a guy named Pat Williams was definitely paying attention that day and this week he announced his desire to bring one of those expansion teams to drum roll. Please please Orlando Florida. So Pat Williams is no joke he brought the NBA's Magic to Orlando and on the plus side Orlando Orlando is already the largest media market without an MLB team and apparently two thousand people are moving to the area every week. Sadly totally and I haven't actually researched this number but I'm pretty sure it's true. Ninety eight point seven percent of those people are already fans of either the Red Sox for the Yankees I mean look the marlins ranked dead last in attendance last year. Barely averaging ten thousand fans per game the rays are doing a little better mostly because they're better on the field but their attendance is so low that they're considering playing half their games in Montreal. Can we just agree on principle bowl not put any more Major League Baseball Teams in Florida. CHARLOTTE Yeah I'm down with. I think this is so ridiculously stupid. Like Noah goes to Marlins game. I mean. It doesn't help that. Jeeter was like a mole for the Yankees and totally blew them up. Yes I'm putting that conspiracy theory out into the world out loud no I'm just like what are we doing here. You know like I get that it's a major media market and first of all. I don't really think baseball needs to teams to begin with. I think that they're struggling with the thirty thirty that they have it's very regional sport. There may be like seven big names. People know out of these hundreds and hundreds of players. So I don't know that adding is how how I would try to deal with falling attendance or with maybe less of an interest in the game. I think I'd kind of try to focus on fixing what we have already but You know what what do I know. I'm not a doctor Mirren. What's your diagnosis? Every time this happens the adding another male team I just think thought the love of God can we just add another. WNBA this all female squad right now on NPR motivated to say that. But Yeah I just I. I'm just rolling my eyes love. You know for me the absolute best and by that I mean of course the absolute worst argument for this team in Florida. Florida is this idea of like. Do you know how many tourists come to Orlando every day. And it's totally true and I am in fact a baseball fan but do you know how many better things tourists have to do in Orlando and go to a peaceful going Orlando like you're not going for baseball talking point for Disneyworld and that's literally I wanNA stand in line for the Millennium Falcon and extra time. I'm going to stand in line again. That's what's going to happen happen my guest for this week's edition of three stories you should know have been bleacher reports Moore and Fader and sports illustrated's Charlotte Wilder. Thanks to both of you. Thank you so much. Thanks Karen. Well editing this next story. I found myself thinking back on my high school football team where we good were re terrible. I realized that I had no idea so I reached out on facebook up to other members of twenty nine Palms High School class of ninety one go wildcats and to my surprise they didn't remember either. Stacey remembers going going to the Games but she doesn't remember the outcomes. David was there too but all of his attention was focused on a cheerleader named Michelle who later became Amos wife Pam who graduated a bit earlier might have had the best memory we were okay. She said never a champion. Never the worst right or Josh. kief wishes he could say the same. Here's Josh I've spent more than a decade stewing over it rowing the memories around in my head wondering it could have really been that bad now. I'm ready to accept my place in history of the thousands of American boys who have played quarterback for their high school football teams. I was the worst I went. Oh and twenty three. As the starting quarterback for John BAPS Memorial L. High School in Bangor Maine perfectly imperfect record. The came during a longer school wide run of forty one consecutive losses. As the Guy I under center for nearly three full seasons. That streak feels like mine more than anyone else. That's not to say it was all my fault. Losing was a total team effort effort during my three years of RC. Football we did not once have lead and this was against teams from the smallest schools in eastern Maine which is about as far as you can get both geographically and athletically from the high school football hotbeds of California Texas Florida. I did not to my knowledge ever play against anyone who has all that good at football and yeah we lost again and again almost always buy more than thirty points. I still feel kind of low grade stomach nodding despair when I think back in my high school football career those losses losses don't stink as much as they once did but I can still feel those failures and the feeling that I personally was a failure a quarterback who never wins a game. Mm is an inversion of everything the position represents he is illiterate. Valedictorian a superhero. Who lets the bad guys? Destroy the universe. I was never cool. Aw I never dated. The beautiful girls was much more likely to get scented attention from untucked shirt. A dress code violation then to win any kind of a claim from my classmates estimates addition to my role in the football field. I also rode the bench for the Varsity basketball team after practice. One day my sophomore year the upperclassmen were discussing. How good the football team would be if only they all went out for the squad? I don't even know who played quarterback it back one of them said before asserting that any of them could probably play the position better than whoever it was who did then they all start to wonder just who was. The quarterback of the football team finally offered it was me and they politely change the subject. Our team was so pathetic that even a bunch of high school jocks could see they was cruel rule damarcus in my two and a half years at the helm. I believe I passed for four touchdowns and ran for another other while throwing a few dozen interceptions. I'd like to confirm those numbers but my former coaches statistics or film from those seasons. This is seems is pretty common. Nobody keeps track of statistics for terrible highschool teams. No one wants to make a high school kid feel bad had about losing so given my own twenty-three record my lack of even mediocre statistics and defeat and our teams complete ineptitude aptitude in spite of relative parody with opponents. I am confident in saying I was the worst high school quarterback of all time in so wearing the crown. I wonder what the point was. I worked really hard for three years to win a game. There was nothing this world I wanted more. I prayed for wins after I stopped praying for anything else after our last game of relatively close twenty one to six loss to our rivals or no high school. I was overwhelmed by emotions. I didn't understand and couldn't express was sad discerned demoralized but since I had felt that way for most of three years I was also relieved. That was finally over. I didn't cry that day. I signed the dark bus home in stunned. Silence that strange mixture of sadness and relief. Leave me unable to articulate anything meaningful high five and hug my fellow seniors as we left the locker room for the final time It was hard to see any purpose in what we had gone through but now years later I wonder if maybe there was something to be gained from never winning As a culture we tried to make every kid feel like a winner. Maybe we should also give every child at task ask that. He will fail at again and again along with teammates to fail with. He might learn the value of putting up a good fight. You might learn that trying and failing to achieve along shot. Dream is better than settling for passionless life. He might learn how to lose which is a valuable skill that this provides no shortage of opportunities to queen a practice and yet shockingly. Few people know how to do. Well I know there are quarterbacks out there one every game who got the girl who made you on. TV and got their names on statues must have been great conquering a fancy Nancy world that learned something about living in ours. I'm proud of all the losing I did not. Everybody keeps at it until they're the worst just to ever played the game. That's writer Josh. KIEF and still feel not bad for Josh He. I wrote a version of this essay for slate and that led to his current career as a reporter for his hometown. Newspaper the Bangor Daily News. Welcome to the twenty percent or do you see Jesus in the burnt toast. Do you realized that literally. There's a bucket of conduct by the exit. Why is this happening? Why is it? We cannot just say stop. I want to you get off season five. No easy answers just the right questions. I'm Garren given next week on only game a buffet of Thanksgiving leftovers including story of what happened when a rookie defensive end messed with Bruce. Smith's shoes bad things man. I mean bad the but now Charlie Pierce this year with the week's news. Hi Charlie Karen. We're in week two of the. NFL BRAWL DRAMA THE NFL heard appeals on Wednesday Wednesday and has reduced the suspension of steelers. MARQUEES pouncey from three games to two and upheld the indefinite suspension of Browns Defensive End myles Garrett or it who as you may remember removed steelers quarterback Mason Rudolph Helmet and hit him on the head with it. What do you make of all this far? Be It for me you to credit the management of the NFL. With anything. But I don't think this. was that hard to parcel out. Blame and punishment what Garrett did is you know even by football standards something. You can't what people do. And I think reducing suspension was a good move. Garrett got what he deserved. There's no question in my mind. Yeah it is pretty clear on the video that Rudolf tried to rip off. Garrett's helmet I which isn't cool the. NFL is not expected to suspend Rudolph but it is expected that he'll be fine. Why do you think it's taking so long for that to happen? That's a very good question. I don't know I think Mason Rudolph should lose a game But that's my own judgment. Wii has been fine yet is anybody's guess. Colin Kaepernick did not work out at the Atlanta Falcons training facility last Saturday but he did work out. Wrote seventeens showed up to watch caps agents says two teams have shown interest. But that's about as far as the good news goes right. Yeah I mean this was a setup by the NFL all everybody knew it was a setup by the NFL especially cabinet. That's why he changed the the protocol again. I mean this is something we've been saying for three years now. The Guy can play quarterback in the national football league. Everybody knows that Antonio Brown apologized for his actions this week and like all good and by that I mean bad apologies. It was posted on instagram. It was directed at Robert Kraft to seems to me to be well down on the list of people. Antonio Brown owes an apology to but hey Tom Brady he liked post. Yes tell me not coming back. You know what I mean. The reason Mr Kraft's got the apologies. Mr Kraft's signs the checks okay. Tom Brady's running running out of wide receivers in the Patriots Brain. Trust has to be tempted at this point after more than two seasons and one hundred seventy-one NBA Games. Ben Simmons has finally scored on a three point shot. Really how does it take so long. Well we don't shoot very well. It's fairly simple. I think this was just a fluke but now I feel Kinda bad because it's not there anymore. Now he's just another guy shoot very well. I was sort of hoping he goes entire career without hitting a three pointer. I love that immediately. After this guy gets his very first three pointers sports writers. Ask Coach Win. He'll start making threes on a regular basis. No pressure right. No absolutely not in for Ben Simmons a regular basis is once every two seasons or Kerr Mellow Anthony. He is back and by that. I mean he's a ball hog. WHO's terrible on defense and scores a lot of points on a lot of shots but you know if it works it works right absolutely? I mean a guy I can still do the single most fundamental thing in basketball which is to put the round thing through the other. Okay and and Portland really going to argue. That they don't need a score. Probably Not Mel contract with the Blazers will only become guaranteed if he stays with the team until January seventh so it sounds like you think that's going to happen. I think it's more possible. It was before. Yeah I mean. The guy is clearly in shape and frankly Portland needs him. Lebron James has another entry in the record books on Tuesday night he became the first I player to record a triple double against every single. NBA team of course in the list of Lebron's accomplishments. That's not the one people are gonNA remember right. No I mean this says one for the figure Filbert's of You know the Elias Sports Bureau and everything else alone is intriguing. There's a lot of teams you know. Gotten a lot of triple double well fans might have expected Russell. WESTBROOK WHO's behind only Oscar Robertson on the list of career triple doubles to get their first. But of course you can't get a triple double against your own team team. And until this season Westbrook had only played for under. That's right so there should be an asterisk. Celebrations record traded too often and finally finally Charlie wrestler. Dan Gable has won an Olympic gold medal. He coached the University of Iowa to fifteen NC AA division one titles but is there anything anything better after a long and distinguished career in sports than being memorialized in a three thousand pound wheel of cheese. Not In Iowa. No and believe it or not. I've been to the HIVE IAN ankle. Wow I'm Dan. Gable of course is an absolute legend in wrestling and it's a very very impressive block of cheese face in. It was his face in it exactly but you can eat a lot of this cheese and maintain Dan's face. Dan can be on the. There's a lot of achieve their like under his arm and right of his ribcage so I think he's going to be around for awhile. Plenty available for snacking Charlie. Pierce is the guest editor of the the best American sports writing two thousand nineteen any joins US each week at this time on only a game. Thanks Charlie thanks Karen Eh Writer R D Rosen. Remembers watching Chicago. Bears Games in the nineteen fifties alongside alongside fans of an older generation. When the bears struggled? They'd say we're Sid Luchman when we need him. Lachmann led the bears to four. NFL Championships between nineteen forty and nineteen. Forty six he was one of the. NFL's biggest stars in the forties and early fifties. But recently Rosen discovered discovered. Sid Lachmann dark family secret. All I can say is if this happened today it would be all over media and social media and ESPN. I and you couldn't get away from it and sit would have to answer for it around the clock. Here's only a games Gary Wallich. The luchman family story begins in Flatbush. Flatbush Brooklyn about a century ago. R D Rosen. Says it was a typical one. At first sits parents were both immigrants from Russia. Kids mother was very well educated. SYD's father was more of a starker. You know he was is a big tough guy who started with a pushcart selling flour and then he owned with his brother a big trucking company that trucked talked flower to the many many little bakeries around New York City. The luchman family lived in a two story. Brick House on Cortel you road. According according to Rosen Meyer Luchman was a good provider. Sit in his family. Never wanted for much. But Meyer was hardly an ideal father said was given given a bicycle. A precious bicycle by Meyer and Meyer said but if I ever catch you riding it in the street I'm going to take it away from you. Of course he caught. What's it riding around in flatbush? He took the bike any chopped it up with an axe. Sid Lachmann excelled in sports as he was becoming a high school football star. His father's flower delivery business boomed but in the Nineteen Thirties Brooklyn was corrupt to the core businesses. Had to deal with the mob Meyer. Luchman became an associate of one of the two most powerful Jewish mobsters in Brooklyn. Louis Leakey extremely powerful man Meyer. I guess proved himself to be a good businessman and trustworthy and Lewinsky. Lewinsky began to use him for other jobs like delivering payoffs or collecting debts. Meanwhile Meyer in his late fifties served as bookkeeper brains of the LACHMAN brothers trucking company. His brother-in-law Sam Druckman co-owned the business. He was the guy who collected did the money from the truckers after they made their deliveries of flower so he hands on a lot of money in it was well known he had a gambling problem. It was only Nia problem because Sam Druckman seldom won his losses piled up. Meyer began to suspect. His brother-in-law was embezzling from the business to pay his his debts. Meyer Confronted Sam. But that didn't put an end to it. It reach the point where he could not take it anymore. He wanted to eliminate this problem. Meyer just could not abide what. His wife's Punky little brother did to him. It's Sunday night. March third nineteen thirty. Five Ki tells his brother Law to come to the warehouse to see about some business. The company was headquartered at two twenty five more street a brick one story warehouse in Brooklyn Bushwick neighborhood at about eight thirty. Somebody somebody calls into the cops terrified. Something is going on at the LACHMAN brothers trucking company I hear screaming. Get somebody here immediately. So cop show up the break into this warehouse and they find still warm corpse in the rumble seat of a Ford Coupe. It was the body of Sam Druckman. He'd been beaten with a sawed off pool. Cue weighted with lead and tied up in a manner well known to the Brooklyn mob and its victims victims. You tie their hands to their ankles behind them. And then cinch the rope around their neck and every move you make you strangle yourself. A New York Times reporter showed up at the scene. Not long after the cops. Did he later report. When I got there I slipped on the floor? I assumed it was motor oil and it turned out to be blood now. The cops they also hear some rustling awesome whispering and they find. Three men crouched behind a truck at the other end of the warehouse. Two of the men are apprehended ended almost immediately. They were Myers nephew. Harry Lachman and professional killer. Fred Hull the third one begins to run and he's a portly older man. Man goes out a side door. COP gives chase and fires a pistol shot over his head to stop the guy that's Meyer Luchman. And he has blood on him. In April the evidence went to a grand jury but by May of Nineteen thirty five the grand jury has returned. No indictment why because it's Brooklyn. Police officers were bribed Sistan. Da was bribed and members. We don't know how many of the grand jury were bribed but Meyer wasn't free for long Brooklyn's recently re elected district attorney. Ernie was facing political pressure to crack down on the mob. The Sam Druckman murder case was presented before a new grand jury on November Fourteenth Nineteen Eighteen. Thirty five Meyer. Luchman was apprehended by two homicide detectives outside of his own house. The murder trial of Meyer Luchman began on January. anuary eighteenth one thousand nine hundred thirty six during Sid luck. Men's freshman year at Columbia. It was standing room only in the courtroom Sam documents. Father took the stand pointed a finger at Meyer Lachmann and said in Yiddish. At the top of his voice he killed my son that Batman killed my son. CID's grandfather is accusing his father of killing his favorite uncle. Sid Luchman is watching this. That's hard to believe he wasn't devastated. Sid along with his mother and three siblings were present in the courtroom where his father father and two accomplices were convicted of the murder of Sam. Druckman Meyer Lachmann was sentenced to twenty years to life at Sing Sing Correctional Facility Amid the grisly murder trial headlines Sid Luchman considered dropping out of Columbia but head football coach Lou. Little took his distraught quarterback under his wing and convinced him to stay said quickly became a college football sensation now. Nineteen thirty eight mire. Hire Luchman has been in sing sing for two years. Sid appears on the cover of life magazine as America's best passer because he's just upset upset army with an incredible fourth quarter comeback at West Point Life magazine. It's a million readers in. The story describes them as the Husky but shy shy son of a New York truck driver there was no direct mention of Meyer Lachmann and no mention at all of his crime. I mean it's phenomenal a nominal that this story just disappeared that every sports writer in town who clearly knew what had gone on knew about the murder read the papers knew about at this guy said did not ever mention Meyer Lachmann in their coverage of Sid luck but Luchman quarterback for three years at Columbia the bears selected him in the nineteen thirty nine. NFL draft in a second season. He leads the bears to the first of of four championships. The most lopsided victory in NFL history the final score Chicago seventy three Washington nothing and he becomes a national sport. Celebrity throughout at all sit always kept family secret clearly. He didn't want this to get out. And it became severed from the story of Sin Lachmann and then completely forgot visited his father in prison when he could little is has known about those visits. Because sid never talked about them in early. Nineteen forty four Meyer. Lachmann was suffering from a heart condition. He was eligible for parole in five years. Sid who never believed his father was guilty. Tried to get him out of sing. Sing on compassionate release. Didn't work Meyer. Luchman died at sing sing in late January of nineteen forty four and never saw his son play a single game in college at Colombia or for the Chicago. Oh bears inside. LINEMAN's nineteen forty nine ghost written autobiography. He barely mentions Meyer Luchman at all the closest. He comes to mentioning engineer. His father's name is the dedication he says to Dad Luchman who played the hardest game of all. That's it in Nineteen ninety-six external an on camera interview for the Lincoln Academy of Illinois. Sid mentioned his father but not the murder. My Dad was sick a lot of his money in the stock market and he never did recover to the very the end he can't talk about. It cannot talk about only one of sids three children. His son Bob knew their the grandfather had gone to jail for murder. But Bob didn't know the victim had been his great uncle. Sam Druckman not. Everybody can keep a secret like that. Not everybody what he can go through life. Bearing that burden alone SID Luchman died in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight. He was eighty one years old. That's only a games. Gary Wallich Ardy. Rosen's new book is tough luck. Sid Lachmann Murder Inc and the rise of the modern. NFL You only game is produced by Martin Kessler and Gary while I quit quit help from Jonathan Chang. Our technical director as Marquees Neil. Our executive producer is me. I'm Karen Given only a game returns next week. Thanks for listening and.

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Tom Brady is more of a man than Aaron Rodgers - NFL QB Hysteria

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Tom Brady is more of a man than Aaron Rodgers - NFL QB Hysteria

"It's the stink in truth podcast with Marc slayeth, presented by core water pay. Welcome ended sick with podcast, Mark slurred longside Mike Evin, Scott, the hub producing the show brought to you by our great friends over a core. A hydrate record dot com for more information you wanna talk about great water award-winning taste, crisp, clean taste take the gym every day. It's perfect hydration. Seven point four matches. Your body's ph level potential hydration level. You want to get hydrated quickly its core. The one with the big blue cap check it out anywhere where water is sold all over the nation. Seven elevens and every place else. That's hydrate with core dot com. Mike you buddy you know what I thought about as eye witnesses last night? Is that no matter how old you get, as a guy? It's still important, your ability to be able to chug a beer. Oh, yeah. 'cause runs is cool. All right. Awry, who'll but his display at the bucks game try to chug a beer. Where's that challenged by David bacteria? I mean. I lost a little respect for Aaron Rodgers cool factor. It went down a little bit. I mean that was bad. Yeah. That was a bad effort at chugging a beer. It was worse than bad. It was embarrassing as what it was now, one David balked Yari, one of the best left tackles and all football but just prototypical, oh lineman. Right this hammers. And is hounded. There's a certain man quotient, that goes along with your ability to a beer like if you can't chug a beer your Sally. Right. And that's just kind of what it comes down to David Brock DRA, not only one, but two, he just I mean, open the gullet poor down the beer and then you got I mean get Aaron Rodgers a nipple for crying out loud. I. Even hell the hand up like. Hold on. I'm not quite done yet. Just wait. Crazy was the pinky in the air. I know I mean if I was a teammate Aaron Rodgers he'd have either one he'd have a Bubba in his locker when he got there today, little Bubba or a wine cooler like you better. Switch switch to wine coolers, James. Yes. Little wine, cooler. It's the Spitzer my goodness. And did you see the response that, that? Drew STAN, isn't that drew Stanton who's the quarterback? Why am I losing Detroit Lions, Matthew staff? Yeah, Matthew Stafford Mandy Stafford has the bucks game on. He's in a restaurant. He's got a big beer. And he just pounds on after Aaron Rodgers. It puts it on Instagram or Twitter or whatever it was whatever social you what was. Hey, mark. What does it say that other quarterbacks are shaming you? Yeah. Right. But what does it say that we still place, coolness factor on the ability to Chuck, a beer can chug, a beer, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, chug a beer? Tom Brady thing that Tom Brady is better at than Aaron Rodgers. Ooh. I know isn't that ridiculous like we place, value on that as guys what we place, value on, like, you know, your toughness like we've been sold this Bill goods of what strength or what toughness is right. Like, like a as long as it's, you know, can eat choke beer and you have sexual conquest if he got that then your man, it is. So it is so wild while we still operate by these rules that I'm all for being dude. Right. I'm all for you know, being tough and taking care of your family, going to work and, and, you know, I'm but for crying out loud, like, you know, like I said, if I was in a locker room to this, like the next time I see Aaron Rodgers and, you know, Erin, I, I should text him and just go dude, you're going to have to pick it up. You need a Bubba heating above, like I would just I'll, I'll. Rush him Yuccas. How many of us this weekend, you know, Memorial Day weekend might be of the idea. Like, hey I, gotta I gotta test myself. Oh, yeah. I mean could I Chuck a beer. Can I still chug a beer? Let's see what we got Mike, if I ever lose the ability to chug, a beer, then you know what just take my man car. That's right. Right. You gotta be able to chug a beer. Yeah. Name talking about. I thought you find this interesting so Rogers, the Packers the Packers and bears. Celebrate one hundred years of football, they're going to kick off the season. Right. And I mean, this is a big deal. It's a special deal. So the bears check this out have come out celebrating one hundred years of bears football with their top one hundred players of all time. Now I'm throwing this at your one hundred bears players of over one hundred best bears players of all. All right. Who do you think I'd vote voted number one? Number one bear player of all time. Walter Payton, correct. Ken, nice job. Thank you. Nice shop. How about this for a top ten? Wow checkout celebrities. Let me see how you can get. I if paid was number one, Walter pay was number one. Who would you say it's never too release guys have finished in the top ten. Okay. So early. Got to be in the top ten. He is not. No. He's not. Okay, but kiss surprises me, but because it's got to be in top ten because his number two Richard dent. Nope. What? No. Dan Hamptons got ten. What and don't give me the fridge he didn't get in there. You know. No, no, no. I wouldn't I wouldn't do the fridge Mike single Terry's in the top ten. No. What's now? We're going back to like the Atkins Atkinson is begins. The got in at number nine okay, the rest of it Bronco Girsky at number three, what am name. Now back in the day. Them like that anymore. The name Bronco Nagorski, Luchman, sid Luchman gale sayers. Okay. Kale. Did. Bill George ghetto Bill George to first name guys, I wouldn't keep him on the list. Move them out bulldog Turner, bold turn. You know, you've been playing football for hundred years when you get Bronco Durst Nagorski, and bulldog Turner in your top. What do you think? Seven bulldog Turner did in the bottom of pile, right? You don't think those little of the Odell Beckham junior actual relieving yourself instead of the fake relieving yourself. But you're right. I mean seventies guys from that I Kana eighty five team. Like how do you not put my single Terry in the top ten? Dan hampton. Dent. Come on. I mean they had some they had some players man on that eighty five. Popularity state. Yeah. Thinking about the all the old Lyme and they have back in in that eighty five team. You know, we always talk about, but was Keith Van horn. And, and oh gosh. J Hilburn Berg and they had some. They add some they had some players man. Some really good fair was on that Olang. They had some players. Right. So greatest Packer player if you're doing your top one hundred Packers. Who's number one Fabra Brett farve? Does it have to be? Well I mean you could go back to your going again far. Won one championship now. Right. And all those great years. I mean, I know he had what three MVP's or whatever, but he won't are Bart Starr. See, I'd have to think it'd be star I go Bart star. Bart Starr, Idaho's own Jerry Kramer. Gosh. I mean they had mama belittled on both sides of of the ball running backs. Right. See, I've got I'm glad that list like this keep the old players alive. Right. You know what I mean in memory 'cause it's easy to forget that, like, okay, how many people you think you walk around? Run into the claim to be patriot fans right? Oh, yeah. Big patriot fan. Huge patriot LA the patriots Tom Brady. Shamanee's Domino's your how many of those. Patriot fans. I'm using the airboats. Do you think can name patriot players from before two thousand? Yeah. That's always the problem. I have with patriot fan is. They think the history of the league started in two thousand you know, or their own history history history. Yeah. They've forgive from nineteen sixty to two thousand they absolutely stunk. Right much. Yeah. Pretty much the whole time, so. Yeah. I mean how many can go back to the Russ Francis days, or the, the sand, the bam Cunningham days. John Hannah days. Steve Nelson, Alfred's murrelets back in the day, mostly to Stanley Morgan. Stanley morgan. They make great tools to. I mean they had some they had running backs like Vegas Ferguson. How about a pull their? Yeah. How many patriot fans right now? Remember, Vegas, Fergus Andrei Andre Tippett. Right. He's a great player, but it's like it's like, and I get it. Listen. I don't want to tell people that can't jump on a bandwagon. Sure. Okay. I mean it's fun to jump on, but you know, like how many warrior fans walk around right now? Yeah, love the doves love the dubs who probably can't even name who run TMC was in you. I know you can. Oh, yeah. Run TMC, baby. Back with the human Mitch Richmond. Yeah. Madrid Tim Hardaway is on their Saint John's own Chris Mullin small. Hello. Or back in the day like back in the day when the war is the I like the first titles right back in the day with, with what's his head underhand shooter, Rick, Barry. Yeah. Rick perry. Harry, Hugo so many dub fans right now. You think in name that that's what just but you know. Here's that pays me mentioned. I get the bandwagon with the warriors, right. But can you really be on the bandwagon for the patriots win a key colada bandwagon when it's been going on for two straight decades, and they've been in eighteen years been to nine world championship games and won six of them. Like that's that. That's a good. That's a good long bandwagon. Let's like the Titanic of bandwagon. Trite. That's true. It's like what they've done is. It's not. It's a it's other worldly. The success, they've had over the last twenty years, it's crazy. Signed, Julius Julian Elvin to a two year contract extension because they, you know, they just keep around with Tom Brady, who else is Tom gonna play catch with in his yard. Right jewels comes over Honey, gills. And I'll be playing in the yard. Just like where are you going? We're just going to play and going out to play in the yard. Well, we're going to have dinner at six right? She comes outside on the deck. Tub jewels debtor. We all have that as kids growing up. That's the way back in the day when kids actually played outside our. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, remember that, you know, your, your parents would come out Ned just they didn't care. They just scream they'd yell whole neighborhood of hear it, and every parent would just start yelling for your kids to come home. My wife and I were driving through Colorado would drive in where my granddaughter had taekwondo practice taekwondo. So we went to we like to go, you know, we like to watch her, you know, what's great. I love that. So, and I was watching the kids and some are not very good. I was just like take me about three days in this class to get a black belt. That's what I was thinking. Do you ever have these thoughts in your head? When you're watching these, like dominate here. Like I had whipped these six year olds, sweep in the leg. Yeah. It'd be like Cobra KAI up in his Joe Johnny. Right. I would be. Is ending kids, taekwondo careers? Any who did you try to teach your granddaughter? The, the larusso kick. No not yet. She's not ready yet, but we're driving home. And there were a group of about five or six boys probably, you know, six seventh grade somewhere in that age riding bikes. Yeah. And my wife, and I come as all that, that's cool. And my wife goes Paul, you don't see that anymore like when we were growing up, when the kids were growing up that was just the way it was. Right. You're right. Everybody gets on their bikes and rise to wherever the other neighbor's house, and you're gonna do whatever you're going to do it. You just don't see every shuttled in cars, you know dropped off. See my son. He's like the other day comes because hey a bunch of us again again at the park to go play baseball. I'm like great. Have a great time. Can you me? Right. Mike. It's a mile away. You have a bike. No, I'm not going to give you a ride ride your bike. He's looking at me like ooh. What do you mean bureau? Parent, parents give rides kids everywhere. Yeah. They're chauffeured around. No, you're not ride your bike good for you lay down the law. So how, I mean, then how long would you have to pick him up? Not. I didn't he wrote the bike back to work. He goes. Nope. You know, he's like grudging. Janai good. We'll that bad. I'm like good. Now, we can we've established something you go anywhere you want this summer fest. Did you bike ride your bike? Nothing wrong with that. That's good for you. That's great parenting by you. That's right. Yeah. It's it's what? Yeah. That's exactly it would be a great leader is freely up. You know when you. To ride their bikes. Yes. That's that's. Well, speaking of great leaders I'm really impressed with this whole Adam gates jets thing, this saying, just feels like it's going to just work so nicely. He's already hearing questions about, you know, do you really want to trade Levy on? And I won't want to trade living. He just tell that, that ever forgiving. New York media's gonna just love Adam gays gates. He's gonna love them. Yeah. You're, I mean, careful what you wish for type thing it'll be interesting. And I've said this before I like Email, it feels like like everybody the reporting is like Adam gays pushed mcalinden or whatever the guy's name out. He pushed him out, you know, we got full control that he wanted. And like I, I don't know what the truth is. I don't know what really happened or their disagreements within an organization yet. The organization is run properly, there should be some disagreements, there should be some difference of opinion. Right. I mean, the worst thing you can have is surrounding yourself with a bunch of people that just say, I'm sure whatever you're thinking is correct, because you're always going to you're going to pick the wrong players. You're not gonna you're gonna you're gonna give the wrong guys the money. I mean it's just going to be a disaster. So there should be some. You know, some constructive discourse, you know, there should be some some disagreements. When you're building a roster billion team like to me, Mike, if this is Adam gays going, I want control because I wasn't giving control in Miami. And in Miami, I never could properly help change the culture because I was never empowered. And therefore the players knew I wasn't powered, and they listened to me to a point. But when they didn't like it. They circumvented me and went straight to the owner who had himself and all the cronies stand around on the sideline watching practice. Like, if that's the case that maybe it works out, really. Well for Adam gates Adam gazes up, affable guy, Adam gates, the great dude, man. He's a great dude. It'll be interesting to see can maintain that kind of begin maintain that kind of report, and that kind of relationship with the jets media or they just wear him down to the point where he becomes cynical kind of, you know, kind of defensive. Yeah. Kind of, like, you know, the, you know, becomes has a little bell check to him, which is interesting about that about that division. Because, you know, now in that division, I think this is probably the first time in history, this has ever happened. You've got legitimate four hall of fame quarterback all in the same division. I don't know that that's I think about it has that ever happening vision. Good snark, right there. Yeah. Well, no. You got. We've we've had people in Denver, who suggested that the Broncos missed the boat last year by not drafting. The film the blind quarterback field. Sam darnold, Josh Rosen. Josh Allen, even Lamar Jackson that they missed the boat. So I dug them the hall of fame five. Right. You know how can you dare you pass on the hall of fame five and think about it. Three of them are all in the AFC east. Right. I think Tom Brady's probably running a little scared bringing prior retire. At least five years earlier than he was an -ticipant because of those guys they're well every Super Bowl now. You, you didn't get that, would you? He's probably going to retire five years earlier than he was planning on. Yeah. Forty ageless and he's gonna play, well, he was planning on going to fifty so now he's probably gonna go like to forty six right? Forty seven maybe. Right. Because those guys are I mean, how many like how many soup bowls. You'll be one in the in the AFC east like pretty much. Well, I I'm going to amend that because obviously you gotta give a couple of Cleveland, right? Because they've got a hall of fame quarterback. And then a couple of Kansas City couple. Those are the they got Showtime, I know but he's not part of the whole thing five so you get Cleveland see, I see Sam darnold. It's gonna win a couple Josh Rosen, obviously Allen. So they're just gonna take turns winning championships over the next decade. You gotta you gotta figure out a sprinkle Brady in there for, you know, he's got to be in three of the next five. So nothing for Mahomes nothing for Jared Goff. Nothing. For Carson Wentz nothing for the nothing for Aaron Rodgers. No, no. Not. When everybody's winning Super Bowls in AFC about all all Katya side of those three. Which one do you think will end up being the best bet? Sam darnold Josh Rosen Josh Allen. I'm going to say Sam darnold. They've already given up on Sam, I'm never giving up on Josh Rosen after what twelve starts. Yeah. But that's the cardinals as just the cardinals being the cardinals. Did you hear Josh Rosen? He's going to. And then it made nine mistake. He's going to be a true franchise quarterback then we'll good. Yeah. Right. Is that too is is it just the cardinals? Do you think it is just the cardinals trying to like save their own jobs? Or do you think that there was serious concern about Rosen's ability? Well, I'm going to deflect your question with a question. You've been around the cardinals for time there at FOX. I thought you were on the cardinal beat. Yeah, we're doing cardinal games every week. It seemed like. I was doing an event aluminum event Sunday last Sunday in Pinehurst. And I had this panel of player, some current some former players shortchanges by this is pine Hurst, Pires golf number two. Yeah. No, yeah. So it's a great Craig course. Great, you know, great atmosphere. So I've got you know some legendary Steelers. I've get Jerome drum Battisti's there Jack ham. Mike Wagner, John Bana Zach mill blunt, this is my panel. Ray Allen nineteen year MBA career how big this is for you because growing up in Alaska. You adopted the Steelers team. He's guys your got. Right. Exactly. Jesus shallows worth. Yeah. Right. The Ray Lewis was there. Right. So I am in charge of hosting this kind of question and answers, keep it light have fun. Let's move. Let's get everybody. You know, answering a question right? And. And, and Larry FitzGerald was there. And, you know, I'm like, man, I've had the pleasure you know of no one, Larry FitzGerald knees, just to consummate professional is one of the great dudes that you've ever met as part of, you know, my, my FOX tour last year was cardinals games. I go, you know, the coolest thing was like I got to do five cardinals games. So I got to ask, you know, and talk to and see Larry FitzGerald five different times during the course of season go the bad side was that I had to do five cardinals games right on. They got a good laugh. Yeah. It got a great laugh and Larry was just like oh, shoot like that's just that will that's hurtful because they were that bad. But so I but you can understand why people might be like, well, don't. Yeah. Don't, don't let, don't let the stink of the cardinals. Drag you down on the idea of Josh Rosen. I mean, the guy was destined to fail because it's the cardinals they were, they were that they wore wore that bad, and they have made wholesale changes on their roster. And on their coaching staff. Obviously, I just there's something about cliff Kingsbury not winning at Texas Tech with Mike Leach's kids, who always wanted Texas Tech, and then not being able to go five hundred plus with Patrick Mahomes, who comes in his first year starting the NFL and his second year total and was the NFL MVP that like that scares me a little bit about about him as a coach. Now, maybe he's great. And, and maybe this NFL thing works out exceptionally well for him. And it may be Cuyler Murray's the real deal. But there's a lot of and maybe and maybe and maybe in that. Call me maybe. Maybe maybe maybe last thing last night, I was just kind of curious about. What do you make of the way that these these defensive linemen are being moved around and one year deals and Gerald McCoy cut loose by Tampa and Tampa turns right around and signs and Dhamma consume? You know. I mean, there are these guys now viewed as. How do I want us to grab or are they are they basically just move them in move them out one year? Guys, you don't need to commit to these defensive lineman anymore like this, or they're so interchangeable that you could just swap out a McCoy for a su-. Yeah. You know, I think it's I think it's, it's, it's an interesting question because I think in Dhamma Ginsu was great in the playoffs. But I think during the regular season he would disappear for times, you know, which is kind of part of his career like he can be a dominant player but he can also be I don't wanna call them disinterested. But maybe, maybe not be as productive as you would like you know what I mean and Joe McCoy's the consummate professional Gerald is a great guy. Great dude that surprise you. The bucks wanted to move on from him. I mean do they? Well unless he's unless he's just banged up because I would I mean this guy's during the football. He's. Really good football player. He's been doing it for a long time doing it for a long time in Tampa. I just think, you know, the money that they've already paid him the money that was left. I you know, I get that they're kind of quote unquote going to try to move on. Also, you know, when you start looking at Todd Bowles and that's going to be the coordinator for Bruce Arians in what, what Todd how Todd Bowles has done it. He's done at playing prime primarily nickel was small guys and, and tons of three four kind of blitz package. So does Jerrell McCoy is not a nose guard? He's not a D N. He's a you know, it's not what his position is. Or maybe I don't even know. There's Todd Bowles. Yeah. I think he was always kind of three four when he was there Zona cardinals guy. But I also I know with Todd is that he was a big time blitz guy. That's what he's always kind of predicated on they're bringing pressure. There's nobody that brought pressure more than Todd Bowles. When he's a coordinator, that he led the league impressions just about every single year, and that's kind of the system that he played out of. So maybe it's a system fit like we can have great production because we're gonna get you, we'll give up some big plays, but we're gonna get you. We're gonna create more big plays, and we give up and we're gonna get you with some Saks impressions of Murray's where you gapped your quarterback, and we're not doing it with, hey, let's just rushed the front foreign plays zone behind it. That's not who taught boys to be careful about getting so caught up in the system, the system, the system that they think it's more about the system than just really good players like whether it's yeah. Gerald McCoy doesn't fit the system or this this offensive lineman might be a good power guy, but he doesn't fit into the zone. Zone blocking systems, or we're seeing here in Denver. We'll know they're going to be more zone oriented under Vic Fangio. So you don't need overpay for Chris harasses man-to-man skill can make him almost expendable. Do you, do you run the risk eating to married to the idea? That's the system the system and not while it's it's players. Dummy players. I why it is players. I but like, and I think, you know, I always say the greatest systems kind of the New England Patriots is not having a system. But I, I will say this, you know, if you adhere to a certain style that you wanna play in a guy does fit in. I get the guy doesn't fit in, you know, I thought last year you talking about Aaron going back to the cardinals last year. Steve Wilks comes in. He is, you know, a former divas coordinator was a four three guy that put together a great defense that went all the way to the Super Bowl and loss to the Denver Broncos. But that's what he was. And he put his system, you know, and he say our system works. I'm I interviewed him five times. Right. Just system works. We trust the system, you gotta show but, like the players that you have didn't fit the system you have. Right. And so you got to you got to do a great job of Mary met, like Dale Buchanan is a Pro Bowl middle linebacker. Although he's actually safety that trans transition to mimic. Now, all said you got him in a four three defense, and you're asking him to be an actual middle linebacker. Where's take on the gore wrong shoulder? Amino stay inside out leverage him. Then. Then, you know extend him in and throw them to the side, and go, make the tackle and you're like the dude is two hundred and fifteen pounds. He's just getting engulfed like that's not his game. His game was undercutting. A guy in blitzen e-e-e-e-no and, and staying off those blocks not to take on the guard's like that's he can't do that. And he just was lost last year. I felt bad form. You see him, he's not practicing. He's just kinda standing around. He's not getting very many opportunities. And he goes from being a pro bowler digest, like basically being on the bench. You don't fit. So, yeah, I think you have to be really careful with that stuff. Mike and, and not getting so attached to your system that you don't recognize what players can and can't do. I think that's important. Loyalism men. It's fun. Have a great Memorial Day weekend. Yes, you to join John Q grill. Yeah. You on the on the grill. Oh I will be on the grill. I'm I'm gonna get home on the grill. Yeah, I'm gonna get some yard work done this weekend. Then I'll get on the maybe maybe I'll you know what I like to do is. Smoke at tenderloin. Ooh. On the on the portray your line now, just beef tenderloin. That's rubber down a rock salt and letter smoke. Just letter smolder smolder. Oh, tori. Smolder. All right. Very body involves gotta shake myself out of that, that immature stinger, drew guest liked to think are presenting sponsor, the fine folks at core. Find out more at hydrate with CU dot com. Great water. 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Questioning NFL QBs

Highly Questionable

23:04 min | Last week

Questioning NFL QBs

"For you america welcome questionable. Pablo tori has a glass. Jar isn't gutierrez is a bully. And i'm dominic foxworth. I'm just handsome. How do we have the technology to do this. Did the forty. Niners make the right call with trae lance well for some reason the forty nine hundred didn't wanna tell us ahead of time. They had chosen trae lance. Which is the twenty year old quarterback with all the physical tools but none of the tape but it seemed like everybody was okay with this. This seemed like a growth pig for the forty niners. Because kyle shanahan doesn't normally utilize this type of quarterback but everybody would say. Hey this is the guy with the most potential. It's the way the nfl is going. And so while really to credit the forty niners with that ability to sort of think outside of their own little. Boxed i'm not ready to say yet trae lance is is. This can't miss prospect in large part because of the comparisons. I'm hearing is josh allen. And while josh l. Did have this breakthrough season. I don't know if he's gotten to muse level of nfl quarterback yet. I mean it wasn't too long ago where he was. I think winter soldier armed with incredible hulk Football right not making the most decisions. And yes i just recently submerged myself in the martinsville's adverse so yeah it's going to be a couple more references coming so i'm not ready to say this is a slam dunk. Pick but i think in terms of just making the forty niners seem like a competent franchise that seemed like the correct pick. Yeah i mean. I think i'll go back even before the pick and thanked the forty niners for doing this process properly like the other two teams. Just kind of let us know who they're gonna get like that spoilers of his whole drama that we call. Nfl draft. So i appreciate that. Maybe because the forty niners didn't know what they were going to do. Or maybe it's because they respect the suspense of prime time telecast but either way they made this draft awesome because we all speculation we had all this subterfuge going all around and everyone's trying to guess we finally get to this moment and it actually felt like something. The trevor lawrence pick was boring than the judge wilson. Pick like the only funny part about that was him looking uncomfortable after he got drafted and also seeing all three hundred people of his family. That look just like him. What the big moment of this draft was trae lance and i appreciate the porn is for doing that and a little football analysis. Yes i think they made the right choice. I think you're gonna move up. You wanna be able to hit a home run. And i don't think back jones is a home run hitter. I would have been okay with either lance or fields. But i liked the lance pick and especially in that offense with all the weapons that they have in the really talented offensive line. So yes i. I don't know if i let any meat on the bone for you but good luck though. There is so much meat left on this phone number. One the meat. That zack wilson and it turns out is hawaiian. I didn't know that. I a couple of hawaiian. I mean good lord so back to trae lance though so dominant that he's the right pick. I think he has the pick with the highest ceiling. And the forty niners for whatever it's worth they believe. They are perhaps uniquely qualified to get a quarterback to hit their ceiling. And they're clearly as is. He said they're playing the long game. Right this is not just about this season. This is a guy they think was worth the king's ransom they paid because he has again that cathedral level ceiling of a josh allen. Maybe even patrick mahomes a guy needs to be molded. But has all of these tools that are perhaps singular. What i love though but how this played out and it's brilliant. I didn't recognize it until dominique started talking about why he appreciated. What the niners the suspense. It was brilliantly self-interested simply because by saying we're going to take mack jones. Everyone thought they were dumb and then because they didn't. Everyone thought they were smart. It is amazing lowering bar. You did yourself. You're right because now if they hadn't done this to lead up to the draft or we hadn't done all this criticism today there might be like. Hey there's a store thing there and you whisper gamble but today we're all like man who is the rest of the nfl going to regret letting the patriots draft mack jones. I can only imagine bill belichick in the war room. They're seeing something quite familiar and immobile quarterback with an infamous shirtless pick somewhere in the internet falling in the draft. And saying that's my guy. I got to have that and no. I'm not ready to say that because they drafted a guy that the forty niners were saying. Hey maybe we'll draft third and falling fifteen with patriots. I'm not ready to say that. That's the reason why the patriots gotta steal in this draft. Because frankly if you just look at the quarterbacks bill belichick has drafted. Since he's been in new england none of them are all inspired. In fact jarrett. Stidham is working on year three and we still haven't seen anything out of him. So no i'd rather go with the conspiracy theory that the niners were talking up mag jones and the patriots wouldn't look bad. Drafting him at fifteen more so than the theory that they are going to succeed wildly with meg jones and again i will reference to the photo floating around the internet. That's all i can't. I can't tolerate this shirtless snobbery from izzy gutierrez. Of course he would have that opinion person only abbas personalities panel not. I have an adb at. How dare you is there disease. S after that say. I'm a very modest person on television but back jones in terms of like is ye. Tom brady like part of the characterization. I get the other parts. Don't make sense to me right like the whole point of tom. Brady is one hundred ninety nine th pick. He wasn't the dude out who was breaking all vs accuracy records at alabama and also more to the point of why you might be skeptical of him in the nfl. He also took advantage of matchup advantages everywhere on the field. I believe he played in total like five first round draft pick wide receivers in all. They were two of them in the first row. Taken ahead of him. So i get the. He'll make easy completions. I think he has the ability to do that. He can process the scheme. All that sounds cool. But his dominance is so predicated on having those athletes that either way the patriots don't have because they'll be worth receiving corps in the entire. He's going to be playing against better defenses with worse. Weapons like add is very few players can say that but he can like every receiver that he has up. There is going to be worse than all the receivers that he had when he was in college. So i i like you. Guys are not ready to anoint. Him as the second coming of tom brady and we have no reason to believe that bill. Belichick is all that great. Had spotting quarterbacks like tom brady was at the end of the draft and then they jimmy. Garoppolo who had scenes can't stay healthy but is okay but not good as a lot of interceptions when he is healthy. We had that one year matt castle who he went off to not be elsewhere. We had ryan mallett. Who is not really good. We have a host of other draft picks that it seems like bill. Belichick missed on so. I think that they're probably. There's some psychic reward that we feel like they're getting now. Because somehow the forty niners convinced us that max jones was a top three quarterback. And now we're like. Oh they got a top three quarterback fifteen. No when season started a lot of people were mocking mack. Jones to go fifteen to new england or two slides even later in the draft. So i'm not quite ready to suggest that max jones is the man especially since two a quarterback that we all accept. There's like more talented matt. Jones came out of that alabama system with an injury to his yes but hasn't really proven himself as dominant yet in the league up next on. Hq like this is. The only hope is that they get this guy in there. Justin feels that is and they give him all the reps with the ones. I'll give you one practice. You can have the first day. Andy dalton we gotta give them all to this guy. We want the best of both worlds. We want a hybrid a smarter. Hybrid cloud approach with ibm helps retailers. Manage supply chains with watson ai while predicting demands with ease the world is going hybrid with ibm visit ibkr dot com slash hybrid cloud. Hey there. I'm julie foudy from the podcast. Laughter permitted in. We've been teamed up with ally from day one of our podcast in fact i'm a customer and that's because ally wants to help you save your money well so you can grow well in spend it well on whatever makes your little soul saying and that's why they're committed to helping you do right by your money so get started visit ally dot com to learn more are. The bears finally set at quarterback with justin fields. Well i don't think anybody really knows the answer to that. Because i don't think anybody knows the answer to any of these one two or three but for the bears quarterback starved franchise team had just as tried to get over the fact that they traded up to draft. Mitch trubisky again. Over rather to shawn watson and patrick mahomes mistakes. You kind of never get over but if this one lands of justin fields is just the guy with all the ability who happened to fall in the draft for whatever reason then. This is absolutely a slam dunk for them. And it's something that the city should absolutely celebrate. Because again we've seen quarterbacks chicago failed miserably over the course of several years and this team remains prepared to win at a high level. If the offense can catch up so don't know if he's ready now or if it's going to be andy dalton team for one or two years but if you're talking three or four years down the line chicago probably should be excited about this. Yeah they definitely should be excited because they did the right thing in that moment and trade up and get this guy. However if andy dalton plays any snaps then ryan pace in matt nagy are moving like they are packing up their stuff. Ready to go like this is the only hope is that they get this guy in there. Justin feels that is and then give him all the reps with the ones. I'll give you one practice. You can have the first day. Andy dalton we gotta give them all to this guy because we know what. Andy dalton news. Andy dalton is not a job saver. They hope that justin feels comes in there and saves their job so for them. I think it's great for justin. I don't know about it. Like i don't know that's a great situation. Normally when you slide in a draft you end up in a great situation and you would like. That's what happens to a lot of these players. That's the reason why. So many of the best Early playing quarterbacks are guys who slipped in draft because they're gonna teams that are ready for the bears have drafted pretty well and built a pretty good team on the defense side of all. I'm not sure that the same can be said on the side of the ball and if things don't go well this year i can see. Justin feels being one of those quarterbacks that has three coordinators and five years in where like at the end of this. We don't really know what kind of player he is. But the cycle it is what you said before about. The bears have had like some trouble over several years getting quarterbacks. They've had trouble for seventy one years. I mean not saying. Sid luchman had they had a franchise quarterback this has been the number one thing that's legs organization literally for three lifetime. So i think that just field as the right pick but to add to a dominique said like there is a perverse wrinkle. Here if you are a bears fan who justin fields but really does doubt ryan pace and matt nagy as the brain trust of your team because what this does is just. Give them more time right. It's an excuse. We need time to see our quarterback through give us a couple more years at least because this is our guy. Be unfair if you didn't and it does seem like an amazing ponzi scheme. Even if he is in fact the right quarterback for them to take come on pablo hazard. A guess what number was lachmann. Oh that sounds like a real lucky number seven out of seven. But i think it's 'cause everybody guesses seven when you ask them to pick a number in the single digits or to do way off you see the packers. Actually keeping aaron rodgers so. This was the big news yesterday before the draft actually started adam schefter reporting that aaron rodgers surprise does not want to come back to bay and that just obviously set the nfl world all the twitter and pablo got an easy jeopardy pun out of it. Got some attention but everybody needs that anymore. I think we all know that this is intriguing. Here we all wanna see if he can actually get out of there. It doesn't seem like he would have any leverage here because the packers gm whose name them in a pass on. Because it's looks like if i say it wrong. It's actually hurt my mouth. He says the aaron rodgers is going to be around and he is under contract so unless aaron goes really ugly with this and threatens not to show up. I'm not sure how much changes here. But when you've got the nfl mvp say. I don't want to be here anymore. Man that's got to just set the entire league on fire. Yeah gouda tons out. Yeah that does that does sound here coming out rangoon. Though and this team like they have a very delicate dynamic that pretty much has never existed before but there has never been a defending nfl. Mvp get traded this season after and more than that the way contract work right now dominic. My understand the is that. It is incredibly punitive for a veteran player. Tell hold out to sit out to miss games. I believe the number would be like twenty five million dollars or so if aaron rodgers did want to actually make the standard. I think he needs to make. That is alex. Trebek's max contract jeopardy type of money. And the fact that his people aaron rodgers people are very transparently by the way like nobody has jeopardy sources. Nfl media but suddenly nfl media. People are like. I've heard he's been doing really well. And all of these executives may give him the job. And it's like okay. That's clearly aaron. Rodgers puppeteer in people who i will keep nameless for reasons but i think that this is desperation for mary. Rogers i think they have no reason to do it. If aaron rodgers is gonna play games for them. And till the otherwise. I see this. Being a long protracted feud. I appreciate that. They are finding new ways to create leverage. Even if it's a job that is probably not going to happen. That's fine but you said. I era desperate desperate for what. He's won a super bowl he's got some. Mvp's he's got a lot of money. Like i don't feel like he's the desperate one. I've got green bay. Needs him much more then. He needs them so i could. Friend guti made the decision last year to draft a jordan love. And i think that sometimes you draft players and you think you're so smart and you're thinking ahead of things but you forget that these are people and they have feelings in. Most of their feelings don't matter in less their mvp hall of fame caliber quarterback. Then you're feeling matter. You should consider him before you start drafting for the future when you have a championship level team. So i don't begrudge aaron rodgers in any way and i don't think that good accounts aka guti is in great shape right now. I think aaron rodgers has all the power. I'm gonna get ahead of. This is somebody who has been called guti as a potential nickname in the past. It's not it's not what he's gonna like okay. Real goudie areas So i'm curious dump. It is just feelings thing. This just does feel like a relationship issue and people's feelings being hurt. This isn't necessarily a money thing or is it a respect like what is it. It's a fairly thing like you can't fix this with money. You can't fix this to a draft picks. You can't fix this with a conversation. Aaron rodgers gave it a whole season a great season to get over it and he can get over it so i think you should take him at his word. He wants out and i would suspect. And this is not any real recording. But watching the broncos last night drafts of cornerback. The one position that they desperately need in green bay. While they're to potential quarterbacks on the board like to me that's just that there is something in the works things. john always good at naming throwing. Footballs no seeing hall of fame quarterback from another. Oh gosh yeah you doing a little of you ask good it. Nice shot buddy. Hey there. I'm julie foudy from the podcast. Laughter permitted in teamed up with ally from day. One of our podcast. My co host lintels. Ai are loyal ally customers and the reason is simple. Ally wants to help you save your money. Well so you can grow it well and spend it well on whatever matters to you. Most you know jules. I value the peace of mind. I get by saving for the future or perhaps saving up for a trip. Somewhere anywhere please. Yeah that sounds good to. If it matters to you matters to ally and that's why they are committed to helping you do right by your money to get started visit dot com to learn more do own or rent your home share you and i bet it can be hard work you know. 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He is used to turning and leaving people in the dust but it is funny because the only thing i read from jalen waddell the couple quotes i read from him in the miami herald was how excited he was to have his family and friends in town for the celebration and he's out with his family and friends. Is they clearly get this. I mean they were all standing. He was sitting with like six foot. Distancing thing for reason is not going to do with viral protects. You but just like that's how he gets down like no even be used doing his thing. Which i obviously do respect say leatherwood. Let's see what he's up to. Check on the raiders. Pick leatherwood offensive. Lineman was quite a surprise. Oh ride their bike. Mom hype. I'm a little very stealing shine over. Here okay okay. He's not done posing me. That's a family. i could hang out with. I love all of the reactions. It's a lot of fun. But i hate to burst your bubble in. It's kind of burst in my own bubble but jalen waddles reaction that we saw last night i loved. It was cool as hell. It was funny awesome. He looked great sunglasses inside. Just get up and walk but when you got the call. They actually all did hug and celebrate so when his phone was ringing. And someone's calling him. They held celebrated and then they went back and everyone was positioned. Everyone's position. Because i already knew it was going to happen so it was still a coal moment. I enjoyed it. I love it but is still a family man. He hugged them all and got all excited and then walked out there and his very very fresh suit. How dare you accuse someone else on this program of doing a bit for the cameras tonight at ten pm eastern jazz sons well. I'm definitely intrigued sons. I've been playing great lately. This is the battle for the top seed out west. they're separated by just one game. Here is presumptive defensive player of the year contender rudy gobert. Utah jazz just three. Point shots to okay. His last that out why. Why isn't that impressive. Yeah no. where's the montage of ben simmons. He's supposed to be deeply here. I mean i watched the sixers do this. You know the top three defense themselves all the time like i only see rudy doing. Are you intrigued though what what what. I made these tapes together. What did you type into the license. Free music. I worried like from your deeply contender. Monarchy done over and over again. That's absurd. i value dahmer. You intrigued. I mean after a night of watching people not compete. I am intrigued by night of an actual sports competition. Like this is a weird thing that we have where we love this ramp. And i have to admit i enjoyed it but nothing about that is sports like it's not a competition so i'm looking forward to seeing two of the top teams in in the west compete for the chance to eventually lose to lebron and the western conference finals and rudy gobert would like to thank pablo and the producers of this show. Because they're making us forget that he left the ngelo russell wide open for a game winner just two games ago going to bring that up. Is the rudy go bear like he's really great in regular season and i don't call myself some sort of basketball analyst but isn't it kind of a thing where he gets schemed off the floor and being postseason situations was i guess same could be said for your point you not at all. That's all the time we have left for today. Pablo tori is going to go to mack jones to abbas convention of some sort. Dominique is just gonna hang out or talk. Show it show. Let's say you own or rent your home. Sure you do. 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The QB Scho Show #55: Quarterback Free Agency Frenzy Fallout

Bleeding Green Nation

35:43 min | 1 year ago

The QB Scho Show #55: Quarterback Free Agency Frenzy Fallout

"People do amazing things every day and yet most of us feel like we can't do our taxes ourselves it doesn't make any sense. Turbo tax believes that with the right tools. Encouragement people can do anything. Yes even taxes and with turbo tax live you have access to CPA's on demand who are available even on nights deacons begins to answer your questions or give you advice to help. Make sure you do your taxes right and get your best possible refund turbo tax. All people are tax people. Good afternoon gentle listeners. This is Michael. Kissed with a pre show note for the Cubes. Go show episode fifty five right after we were done recording it was released that Cam Newton and this is per Adam schefter quote. Panthers are expected to release quarterback Cam Newton today sources tell ESPN so while we did talk about Cam. Newton and his potential fits elsewhere in the league. We did not have that news to talk about during the show but it really doesn't ruin anything in our conversation is keep that in. Mind as you're listening. Here's the cubes go show. Welcome into the QB Scotia out. This is episode fifty five brought about five boquet espy nation and bleeding green nation host. Michael Kissed Follow me on twitter at Michael Kissed. Nfl BETS K. I S. T. Anna's always here to break down the quarterbacks around the world in the draft in the league worldwide. Qb One in our hearts and our minds. He is Mark Scofield mark door brother. I'm doing well buddy. I'm doing well. These are certainly interesting times but before John. The people need their cubeys. Go fix and as we often do on this show we will start with a historical reference and I spent some time this morning even last night trying to piece together. I'm currently reading a book by Dan Abrahams about John Adams and his defense of the British soldiers after the Boston massacre in. I thought it'd be nice to sort of talk a little bit about you. Know the tinderbox. That was Boston back when the Boston massacre took place. How close the Connie's word to just a calamitous event and I realized that the idea of doing a traditional historical reference just made no sense. You know why Look Outside. We often joke in the world about how we're living through history. We legitimately are living through a historical moment right now okay. Most of the listeners are probably under some sort of lock down. A quarantine. Businesses are closed. People are freaking out everywhere across the like the Olympics. Were just canceled. This is legitimately one of those moments that yeah you might think. Oh yeah this is going to be at a history book someday. No this will be in a history bogus. Don't make books anymore. This'll be a history IPAD TABLET. Someday so if you want. Historical Reference Look outside. Don't go outside that it practice that social distance and guys say six feet away from everybody but open up a window look outside. 'cause we are legitimately lit history so to all the gentlest all the dear listeners. Stay Safe Wash. Those hands. Saint Toto's Africa while you do it and be kind to each other. I'm I'm wondering what you're doing to stimulate your mind throughout this time. Obviously you got warranty with with with the kids My my wife and my kids are home more frequently now so I need My escape as well as much as my marriage is fine for instance. I'm reading the fall of Rome from Brian. Word Perkins who takes on the idea that I ordered that the recent idea from a historian's that Rome didn't really fall it more. Transform it was it was a more peaceful thing that a lot of people think of and he really does a good job taking that down in a scholarly work with with some good on narrative flow to it as well. So that's something that I would recommend to the listeners. As far as television I've worked through season five of Vikings. Still deciding whether or not I want to go through with season six because the second half the of that season five really kind of lost me and then money heist is one that I will suggest for Binge GonNa have to put the subtitles on. Put it in the original language on Netflix. There but see the first three seasons are fantastic season for drops April third. Can't recommend it enough so that's what I'm doing. That's what I'm watching. Are you watching anything or binging? Anything specific that's getting you through this or playing video games are getting through well. I am still grown through the final season of peaky. Blinders will not final but sees five peaky blinders. Unfortunately they have sort of halted production on season six. So you won't get to see that for a while season five. Mike you and I were talking about this season. Four just so good. Yeah that season five. No I don't want to spoil it for anybody but it kind of takes a turn where you're just like really hard like I. This is one of those moments where you're like they clearly had like three season arts sketched out for the show and when the show sort of took off they were like. Oh we got to extend the somehow. Let's do something really sort of wacky season five. And that's what they did so peaky blinders of course picked up warzone on cod of duty. Got I w cycle over the weekend. That was one you and I. The one and only coach Vaz had a massive victory so there so that was fun. So yeah you know what I dusted off with the family of this weekend was that Nintendo sixty four. Oh Nice and we busted out Mario Party to let's go and it was just a fun little adventure with the Family. And then you know this is a twenty five year old game system that the controller. I had barely worked. I'm GONNA use that as the reason why did not win on. But all wouldn't get the big. W WHO's very excited. Small actually came in second I think my wife and I threw a couple of the mini games to prod that along but the kids were happy. So yeah we're also make. It is just weird like we live on a little cul de sac. So there's not a lot of traffic anyway but there's nobody around. Yeah like just absolutely nobody. Will that the kids like ride their scooter and they ride their scooters in their bikes with like two other kids that live across the street. But it's just it's just weird man this whole thing just strange. I walked outside The the other night and alls I heard from my neighbor's house. It sounded like three or four children. Girls screaming this song to frozen on thinking. That guy is sal time with this guy. Just say yeah. This is the day my wife and I are filing into surrender and get Disney plus. Oh we're I know. I'm looking forward to some baby. Yoder love but I just know that in like three hours from now frozen to is going to be on the television. Yeah and I just cannot wait can I can. I recommend the tiger king instead might not be great for the kids. But that documentary on Netflix. Kills good dangerous for good? They had until exotic is a bee's last suggestion The SAGAS OF. Icelanders is a book that I just ordered. with Jane Smiley and if anything gets me excited down there in the pants area. It's a deck alleged book. Look that up if you don't know what it means all right. Let's get to some football talk. Now that we've gone through that football still going on. At least you know from the business side of things and I note since this is an eagles feed and during the season we have a heavy focus on the eagles during the offseason. Obviously we shift to League wipe thoughts pandemic thoughts free agency and the draft just out of necessity. I mean we can't just talk smack about Carson Wentz year round or not ninety four. Wip after all but there is some news on the Eagles Front as they bring back. Elite QUARTERBACK PROSPECT NATE. Sud Feld one year to mill five hundred K. Guaranteed contract with up to three million dollars in incentives pending any further moves later in the process like we saw with the Josh mccown signing last year and look. Hey I'm all for bringing back Josh McCowan if you surveys options because he was just an invaluable resource in that building last year as it stands now though saalfeld would be quarterback to for the eagles. He turns twenty seven in October and has only thrown twenty five passes in his. Nfl career Looking around the League at the NFL here will move through these the Jacksonville Jaguars have traded quarterback Nick Foles to the Chicago bears for compensatory Fourth Round Pick When talking about this deal it is important to note that Nick foles restructured his contract with With the bears when he was traded which reduces his twenty twenty cap. Hit to fifteen point six MIL. He carries cap. Hits of just over Twenty Mil in Two Thousand Twenty. One and twenty twenty two and there is no dead cap attached to his contract in those years. The Jaguars take on a dead cap. Hit of almost nineteen million dollars as recoup that fourth And look this is a Jaguars team that swung big and missed and aren't sticking around to find out how bad they missed and strike out again. But for the bears. This leaves them with Nick. Foles and Mediocre Mitch. And You wonder if you know this is how things looked for the goths in three seventy six as a fern and his boss ran from the huns pleaded for protection in Rome but were abused instead in a bit of out of the frying pan and into the fire or or will the bears somehow rally liked fritter and deal a victory blow in the battle of Ag Annapolis to blow up the football world. Because tell you what if they don't they're going to look mighty stupid because as it stands now like one of the repercussions of this. That off talked about second round. Pick being slated as a potential spot where they could take quarterback should be less play as they need to at some point address other areas of the roster. This is a perfect example when we talk about quarterback purgatory that we were warning them about last year. The amount of resources they have expended to grab risky. The amount of resources at a pig starved and cash-strapped organization is using to try and fix that. Run with Nick foles and the lack of resources resulting from that that they have to find answers if this doesn't work is staggering and will take their future. This is it for Ryan Pace this year right here in my opinion or darn well should be mark your thoughts on what the heck is going on in Chicago. I think two things can be true. One is it a vacuum? Nick foles as a very good fit for Matt. Nagy's offense and he might be the quarterback that sort of saves this situation for the Chicago bears because when we see the quarterback position how it is. Let that team down. They had this window. They might miss out on it if they don't get stable consistent quarterback play from anybody that it makes sense but this is nothing short of a panic move by Ryan pace at. It's a panic move. Amman panic moves that he has made this free agency period. Because you can't overlook the fact. They gave Jimmy Grandma to year. Sixteen billion dollar deal with a good chunk of that guaranteed when Jimmy. Graham looks as well as Mike. Catt who passed away back in August. I mean they had a vacuum black hole at the tight end position and try to fill it with Jimmy Graham. Ib this is a guy that they gave them the same contract that the the packers gave him two years ago and the packers were the. Teela just released them. Yeah I mean that doesn't make sense and to take on this contract with like you pointed out and walked us through. They did sort of restructure it to give up a fourth round. Pick for that for team that it was up against it from a perspective and doesn't have a ton of picks to begin with this is Ryan Pace acknowledged in two things that he whiffed on trubisky. Like make no mistake about that. He missed on that evaluation and be. If they don't figure out the quarterback position he's gone and so does two things could certainly be true forces a good fit for their offense. And so okay. But this was a panic. Move and I sort of liked to point out the fact that this is a franchise that has been around since like the twenties right. No they stay. Were one of the original sort of football franchises that what was. Who's their last good quarterback? It's in my colleague. Doug Farrar over Wirewood we wrote free agency graded piece said that their last transcended quarterback was SID Luchman. Who Hired in one thousand nine hundred fifty now? You might make the case that all Jim McMahon brought them a super bowl but they won that because of their defense you might make the case that Jay Cutler did some great things for them got up to an NFC championship game. Got Him to a super bowl. Although that was rex Grossman who got onto a super bowl. Now it's this is a quarterback starved franchise. That's ugly. That's not good so the bears gotTA figure that out. I I really. They have missed their window. And what has happened to the roster because of that because of these struggles is really just accentuated. The problem that they have an. It's no longer. I don't think their defense is going to be good enough to the point where you just need a quarterback to make the throws like they needed from trubisky. I think they're going to need more. Because look they lost their defensive move saw Clinton decks serviceable safety. They lost Prince Amukamara. Who's a good corner rock? Great but good is good. They lose Leonard Floyd. I mean. It's not like they're suddenly like the same defense. They were a couple of years ago and I know they sort of made some patchwork moves as well bark. Tv's Mingo he's more of a special teamer like Artie Burns. Like okay like the defense is taken a step back Robert Quinn. I guess kind of levels out the loss of floyd but the defense is nowhere near as good. So you're gonNA need a quarterback that is at least going to be able to read American Carl flat concept more consistently see than Mitchell. Yeah and they had the number one. Dvr defense in two thousand eighteen. That dropped to eight last year. I wouldn't be surprised to see it. Drop out of the top ten. And that's at the point where you're just like okay. We need a quarterback to that can do more than just make throw so definitely there like suddenly a number fifteen defense like the middle of the pack defense are going to be terrible. Yeah that could be bad all right. Let's let's move on to something near and dear to your heart. I'll absolutely not I refuse. You can't make me Tom Brady. Tom Brady Bucks Tampa. Bay buccaneers two year. Fifty Mil guaranteed fully. Guaranteed up to nine million dollars. Additional Incentives There are also clauses in his contract at Brady wanted in there which disallows the bucks from trading or tagging him. Which would suggest that Brady doesn't think he's going to be done with football? After those two years Brady turns forty-three in August it. That's the case. He wants to lead the possibility open to go. Place a ball as a forty six year. Old that shockingly wouldn't make him the oldest quarterback ever as that distinction belongs to George Blanda. Her retired just short of his forty ninth birthday. But it should be noted that bland didn't start a gain in the final seven years of his career from nineteen sixty nine to nineteen seventy five moving on from that mark. This is a move that I called the pipedream for Tampa Bay in a less shocking turn of events. I'm a frigging idiot. Mark your thoughts on his fifth in Tampa Bay schematically. It is a bit of a question because we know Bruce Arians right. I mean this is a vertical based passed. An offense is a coryell system and over the years one of the knocks on Tom. Brady has been his inability to sort of throw the deep ball and he doesn't have an elite arm and at forty three which he turns it August. I don't think the army is going to drastically improve overnight. He could still dial up glossiest when he needs to but it's more than intermediate areas of the field and things need to be almost perfect for him to do so like he's not doing it off platform or anything like that at the same time from Tom. Brady's perspective he's going to be playing with Chris. Godwin Michael Savage. Og Howard Cameron Bray like those are his two tight ends two receivers right now. Yeah and apparently they have interest in bringing back shot Perriman. There hasn't been a deal done on that but they are interested in bringing back which gives him a guy that runs the four twos. They like to put him in the slot. And just send that sucker deep. So he's got plenty of weapons there. He has better weapons of these had recently. Look back through even going back to the Randy Moss. Your I mean honestly I mean you have to go back that far to find him better weapons. Yeah and so he somebody that needs help at this point in his career and the time with him a New England was basically done right. I it had run. Its course the fact that you have three massive egos with Robert Kraft Tom Brady and bill belichick able to staple it all together for twenty years. It's make it work for twenty years I- Kudos to them but it had run. Its course and people knew that Brady was gone. Not sure if I'm repeating myself here but out of the combine on a Wednesday night at the bar at the J W Marriott with all the Boston beat writers and it was like a weight like we all knew. We all knew that he was leaving the next day. The Jeff Darlington report. Came out that you know going poorly between Brady and the Patriots and the Boston Herald had the report that you know looked like it was done I did. You knew last year that he wasn't going to come back so it's interesting this idea that no tag no trade. He's always said he wanted to play until he was forty five. I think this is going to be his final ride. Do I think they get a super bowl in Tampa? I don't know but I think he's honestly if you put his move to Tampa and you recall and keep in mind everything else. The Patriots of lost in the past two weeks he might be closer to a super bowl in Tampa that he is doing right. Now look what they lost the defensive side of the ball Calvin Noise Orlando Roberts Jamie Collins Doron harmon. That's three linebackers. In one of your started safeties gone out the door and they needed help tight end. They needed help it. Wide Receiver question marks on the offensive line. And now you look to see what he's got in Tampa Bay and that's all forget that Tampa Bay bucks defense. That was getting better as the season wore on. Part of the reason. That defense struggled at times. Is Your quarterbacks throughout thirty pigs. Fezzet thirty short fields. Or sometimes they're pick six is one hundred percent instantly. If you've got a quarterback overthrows thirty six one's GonNa throw maybe ten. Yeah like your defense gets a little better sort of the butterfly effect of that. We talk about it in Baseball. Terms like run support for offenses. When defense get turnovers. The same thing happens with offense and defense. If you're putting your defense is in a bad situation like that man. I'm shocked with how well the Bucks Defense was able to respond to that throughout the IRKS. They definitely did get better. Especially in the second half of the year that J. P. Back and all the sudden they're they're like a top five defense out of nowhere so I would agree that they're in a better position in Tampa Bay mark quickly before we go to break Jarret Stidham. Is he starting quarterback in doing a New England in week one? Yes or no I do yes I think he is. I think their their plan is to sue. They have look they went out and got Brian. Hoyer right yeah to mentor. Basically He. He's basically going to be the Josh mccown right like he's going to like you be his mentor beside kick. Try to coach him up on the sides. They didn't make a move for. Andy Dalton. There hasn't been any sort of indication that they're gonNA go after say Newton or Jameis Winston. They're up against it from the CAP anyway. Yeah they're going to roll withstood him? See what they have in him. And if it doesn't pan out maybe they're four and twelve and they're picking in the top five and who knows what happens. I'm just saying league. If you're going to let Trevor Lawrence Somehow find his way to Foxborough at all the stuff you've been saying the last twenty years that's on you now. Okay if you let that happen that's all you the League. You guys might need to lay down a couple of games you know. If you're a middle and franchises go into foxborough next year take what for the cheap laid out? Don't let Trevor Lodge go to Fox for I'm just say or just in fields right. He'd look either. One of those guys looked really good right now. When we come back here on the cubes go show. We're GONNA talk about some more quarterback transactions. That's coming up next right here. Obgyn plant based is here to stay. We've got plant based milk. We've got plant based meat and now plant based butter is becoming a thing. 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I that was Teddy Bridgewater to the Carolina Panthers. The deal for Teddy is three years. Sixty three mill. Total thirty three million dollars in guarantees. He'll count fourteen mill against the CAP this year. Twenty three million twenty twenty one. Twenty Six mil in twenty twenty two Which represents the first realistic out year there in. Twenty twenty two of the panthers also traded Kyle into Washington for a fifth round. Pick Allen will go compete with Dwayne Haskins after starting twelve games for the panthers last year. Partly doing so Last year under the interim oc for the Panthers Scott Turner who is now the Washington oc under Ron Rivera friend of the show and friend of ours mark bullock of the athletic. Put a piece this morning regarding Kyle and in Washington coming to the conclusion after watching the film that he's to mistake prone to be considered a legitimate starter but has enough traits to warrant developing him as a backup bullock himself would probably admit that he's more pro. Haskins than others. And You wonder if that's even more pro haskins than the new regime in Washington and look the panthers were not done as an xfl signal caller that we talked about last show as a guy headed to the NFL. Pj Walker will reunite with his college ball. Coach Matt Rule In Carolina. Mixed ton of sense. Now they're still the question of what's to be done with Cam Newton. But that's a beehive of activity for the Panthers Quarterback Room Mark. You can go anywhere you like with all that. Yeah that's that's that's a lot to put on the plate there. I mean from Carolina's perspective. You get the sense of the direction. They want to go with their offense. The sort of west coast. Rpo spread type stuff that you'll brady was running at Lsu that he's sort of gleaned from Sean Payton's playbook that's why thought that bridgewater was going to be a perfect fit in that offense awesome. Listen to the fact that there's history between the two like Brady and bridgewater ward together in New Orleans and so the transition for bread which water is going to be easy. One playbook is going to be really similar but the PGA Walker side and it is fascinating because you watch his xfl tape. As I did yesterday you watch some of his stuff back at temple which I'd done previously and Watson stuff again yesterday. Because I was writing about touchdown wire you see the vision. The athleticism the arm slots all the stuff that our sort of started to value at the quarterback position the ability to make plays off structure outside the pocket from Carolina's perspective. They have their guy. They have their developmental guy and bridgewater and Walker. Probably going to be the two. I wouldn't be surprised if will greer is a training camp cut at this point. These two guys that fit their offense the best. Yeah as far Kyle Allen. I'm sort of more EMAAR Bolic's camp than anything else. Who by the way credits ahead just goes out and crushes a piece with an hour's trade getting Don Light pollock's machine? I'm more pro Haskins. I think than most sort of like I said with Mark Their Alad will know the offense. Obviously some familiarity with the offense coordinator. That's up there in Washington right now but I do think that this is Duane Haskins show. I think he's more like if everything goes completely haywire with Haskins. Now they've at least get somebody that can run their offices. That's forget good. Friend of the show Colt McCoy. He's now in New York with the giants. Yeah so you know. They don't have the Cole McCoy Guide Fall Back On. Who knows what's happening with Alex Smith? And how the new organization views him as for cam the interest of did with Cam is again as we talked about in the open with our quote unquote historic reference. How does he get a fiscal dot? This is one of those situations like having like two guys were the meds matter ton. How does that get done now? I know we might be sort of slowly opened. Infants back up. But if you're a team you gotta be sure that cams going to be okay and ready to go. There's a long and distinguished injury history there. Yeah that you've got to worry about. I do think that the chargers are probably the tea that makes the most sense for Cam definitely. But they're telling US tyrod Taylor and we assume they're gonNA take somebody at six and so maybe when the music stops camps left without a chair. I don't know yeah and that's asked me with. The medical is because teams are like outsourcing this stuff but when you're talking about the trust level with that and the importance of the position and how that impacts your franchise. I can see teams definitely wanting to wait on that. So we'll wait and see and of course you know tyrod Taylor with the chargers. They're saying he's the guy in that that's our guy we'll see how you feel when there are other options out there Let's go to another. Xfl Guy what kind of run through these other moves real quick Jordan. Tamou goes to the chiefs on a one year deal and other. Xfl player getting his shot in the Big Leagues. Nice quarterback competition between him and some guy named Patrick Mahomes. We'll see how that works out Philip rivers goes to the colts on a two year. Twenty nine million dollar deal So so the guy that we were concerned. The FIT in Tampa Bay goes to a system that can be made friendly for him in the short areas of the field with Frank Reich. I really liked that fit. Marcus Mariota. He Goes Las Vegas Raiders on a two year. Seventeen point six million dollar deal. The raiders get their fallback for Derek Carr whose contract runs through two thousand twenty two. But let's say there's a change and they want to roll with Murrieta. In twenty twenty one car would represent only a two point five million dollar Cap Hit in in dead cat and then finally just like can. There's another question out there of a big name quarterback. This is kind of hanging around. There is the question of James Winston Mark. Any thoughts on any of that. I'm just I'm just throwing stuff against the wall and seeing and seeing what sticks on you. Yeah I mean I think the Mariota One. We should have seen this one common. When they made that move I sort of went back and looked at how people looked at them during the draft. I pulled up the GRUDEN. Qb Camp episode with Gruden. Mariota's they will break down spider to y but Atta doing it on the white board and all sorts of stuff and you could see that Gruden. Although he always seemed to have a soft spot for these quarterbacks it seemed like he mariota clicked a little bit he was may auks. Qb One in that draft glass over Winston and a lot. I remember when I made that flip. It was like right around this time of the year. What was like right before the draft and we also read into it as just hearing something from the League or what was it but may on January light ahead so I think that yeah Probably shouldn't have been surprised by that. One grew to the Mac both really like him. They may I can catch up real quick but mayock also really loved Nelson Aguilar. Who was brought in to the to the raiders on a one year? Deal getting some answers out there. What's interesting about the Mariota deal is they gave us some guaranteed money if you look at their caps situation next year. Yeah it's easier for them to get rid of car than it. Is Mario Rights? Like if you look at it this you're thinking there really is. I really think there is an open competition between Mario for sure we'll be faceted to see that play out. I'm intrigued by the Tamou thing you know. That's obviously a threat to Patrick. Mahomes van y conservatively thirty minutes on this. Yes yes break it down. How in danger of losing his job. Patrick Mahomes actually. I mean it's a Nice Flyer and I think he's an interesting prospect. Don't know where Jameson cell. Yeah I just don't know where he goes but you might say again the chargers but I throw it a weird one the other day the New York giants who yeah like A. And here's my elevator. Pitch on this one. Winston is who he is right like. I think we can declare after five years in the League. That he's a guy that's GONNA make some splash throws but it's GonNa take some ridiculous chances with football. He's been basically at least this last year's column even longer back to college like I remember. When we studied in for the draft he was like force it throws at the triple coverage if he saw nickel theory over the bidault with three guys drifts around him he was gonNA throw to anyway. This is just to Jameis. Winston is the fit with the giants. Eight he's not going to be looked at as a guy that's going to have to play right away. His they got Daniel Johns that. They're not as weird as gentlemen. Judge Worthy Combine. The General Jones is their quarterback but Jason Garrett Corio guys are offensive coordinator. Like the schematic. It's going to be there. And he can just sort of like blend into the background in New York and just sort of like. Learn to just play the positions again. 'cause he's been thrust into the lineup as a starter since basically day one a he is who he is. It's probably not gonNA change but if just dial it back. It's the tiniest bed. I don't know I I don't know where else he goes. He certainly not go into New England like Bilbao checks not gonNA put up with that no way. Where does where does Jesus? And that's the thing that fascinates me most about this quarterback ourselves. Where did those two guys Newton in Winston finally end up? I just I don't know I never want to dial back. Jameis Winston for a moment. I want him to start forever. Am I would absolutely love getting to have a reason to watch throughout the season in prep for something because I mean I'll I'll say this bad if he somehow gets to New England. Yeah I will be the happiest. Dan Ran it like. Give me the chance to cover. Jamie's week after week after week and byles reactions to one is. Oh my God. That's the gifts or Jeff's it's gifts by the way or gifts either way from ballot check like glaring at him after he throws like you know into Eto bit who's draped by like six defenders and Jus- lanes it in there anyway like I work. I did a piece for Czars pee on some of James's mistakes and like one of the pick six is he threw. It was just a simple like sit route six yard Carl from his tight end and he knew it was going to be open right away but he still went through the like perfect. Rob The hitch. Pat Of the ball in the ball comes out. Fdr Bush alive accurate. Just jump in. Because he knows exactly where he's going with the football and it's like he was thrown out route to the linebacker. That's what it looked like. Yeah I don't get the guy but it would be an absolute joy to cover hours. Going through Jameson are going through Christian Kirksey film and I went back to two thousand eighteen to watch some of his film because he had played seven games that year. And I rem- and I and I looked up like okay. Wh- what game did he get? Interception I WANNA see this and I'll watch the rest of the game and it was Tampa Bay a like I go to the play. This the interception I see them lined up. I see the formation unlike. But he's about to throw this sucker right in the seem right at this dude. There's no yup bom like no regard whatsoever for underneath defenders. The most predictable pick that could ever happen. It was incredible. Is Like you can't even credit Kirksey for that serious. Another would where he threw Darius Leonard picked him off at it was like a three high coverage he was trying to throw the post route. Which again doesn't make sense. No it's not covered to middle of the field open field close at. He's trying to throw the post route backside credible but the linebacker let it drop it under it anyway and he doesn't even try to fit it around him. He just started throwing his heart. He can't like over his head and let her just like literally reach up and grab it through it right to. It's amazing amazing. Such a joy to watch lousy that doing that would be that would be high entertainment all right mark. That's GonNa do it for the cubes. Sco show any closing words for the gentle listeners. 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Hour 1: Bears are who we thought they were

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Hour 1: Bears are who we thought they were

"The, College football season is rolling along and so is the latest season of your favorite Dr Pepper Obsessed College football town. That's right. We're talking about Fans Ville. So brace yourself for all the on the field football drama and off the field Dr Pepper Flavor, your eyes and taste buds can handle because even though you can't be at the stadium, you can still dress cheer and drink Dr. Pepper like a true fan head to a store near you treat your inner college football fan to an ice cold twenty ounce Dr Pepper today. G., Sante will in Subic the podcast. Good Tuesday morning two words that have rung true in the Advertising World but May Ring Trooper Sean mcvay and company. Los Angeles was Ram toughened. Keyshawn Jalen Zubin on this Tuesday morning key, it could be a tremendous twenty four hours for your city. Again, the Rams Win Young. Now we have the dodgers on deck trying to win the world series tonight everything La Day for key this year. No, it's good. That's a great thing. Every now, and then the city to get a little nugget right Boston gets the years where they've been getting. Here's for awhile you know New York hasn't Outside of the Yankees well known Yankees and giants for many years gave a lot of. Love, and what else? Who else would be a city Austin New York La Basketball and football though I mean our basketball and baseball. Yeah. So I mean this is a huge year for you guys I mean dodgers win the World Series Lakers Win Nba Championship I don't think I've ever seen a city basketball and baseball right I. mean the Yankees were have to do with the Knicks Stewart I wonder Chicago. Maybe do. Something like that. A fans out there to help us with this but I don't think people I don't think cities have done it in baseball and basketball. I'm saying make no red sox and the Celtics. Winning in the same. Yeah. Oh I don't know about winning in the same year I'm just talking about over a period of time over several years. You know this has been a big drought for Los Angeles this in general when you start talking about the dodgers in the Lakers Lakers. Win Ten years dodgers since nineteen eighty-eight. Diapers right, Z.. Is One of those one of those deals but I think tonight, obviously is a close game, but it makes me a little scary because this is a bullpen game for us opposed to having. One of the big aces on the mound. You know if we had wanted to somehow we could have had walker bueller in this when be like yeah yeah. But then. Have that we have a bullpen, go get him in ending in two thirds. Goslin has got to come sit with me about the second inning. Real only messing around. These games. Juvenile look forward to the exchange, and now you can we get you back on the text chain I. Think my life is better off without the technological fellows. You'll have to see the roller coaster of emotion on a night like tonight with key sooner. So skin into like the bottom of the sixth seventh watching it it's pretty bottom of six or the seven. I'm a I'm probably at the bottom of the bottle. We should mention we'll have much more on the world series coming up in just a little bit. We'll hear from Dave Roberts at six, forty, five, Walker bueller would start game seven if the dodgers do have it tomorrow Tony Gasoline going tonight to the rams look good on the other side lead hype hype. The bears not so much. Jay's phrase there might some up Chicago? Really really well, let's get to the meat of the issue of potential miscommunication between Nick foles and his head coach. Matt Nagy. This was brought up by Bryan Greasy. Last night on the broadcast listening to greasy here when he talks about the challenges of foles and Nagy trying to get on the same page playcalling lies. We were talking to Nick foles yesterday and he said you know sometimes play calls come in and I know that I don't have time to execute that play call and you know I'm the one out here getting him sometimes the guy calling the plays Matt Nagy he doesn't know how much time there is back here. So that's something that get worked out as. You might expect that raise some tremendous eyebrows nagy was asked about it after the game sorta tamped down said you gotTa talk to nick about it I don't really think that's the case with me in foles we have a great relationship fulls. If he had a miscommunication with Matt Nagy falls also said, I must have been a miscommunication with Brian Greasy listen to this. Is definitely a miscommunication with Brian. We do these pre-game conversations the day before the game just to give them information. That conversation Goes Nagy and I have a great great conversation on the sideline. So there might be times where we we go through it beforehand and say, what do you think and there's times we got the ball a quick and whatnot but in those situations I man I have a great relationship on the sideline conversations everything I think no message away from Brian was just amused communication words 'cause that's not what I was trying to. Bring Cross conversation key. You know the interesting thing for me is I hate to go against the colleague in Brian Greasy but nick foles is a hundred percent correct in and I don't need to hear Brian Greasy. Or Nick foles for that matter try to explain to US exactly what the conversation was. The words were probably. To a degree hey, I wish I had a little bit more time or or in in Bryan probably you know put it in his own words and that's what they do when you go around the league and you could go to every single team both in the run game as well as in the past game and they are plays that are on that call sheet that coaches are kind of fascinated with fix eighty they kinda WanNa. Call it we in feel good about it even though it may not necessarily be the best play at that particular time with throughout the game, they continue to keep doing it because. One thing is right. They're not in the cockpit. So they're not sitting back there dropping back to be able to tell what the rush looks like they to get a feel from the sidelines or they may not understand right then and there that the protection is has broken down and there's no answer for an Donald even though they may think that there is when you're calling a game in the Florida game as an offensive coordinator and we also have a conversation with Todd Haley former head coach, Kathy Chief's office coordinator Cleveland Browns GonNa, join us later about this is that there's plays in your call she that you just stick with even though. The Guy may be getting you know. beat down, they just will call them because eventually it comes around as a positive in the run game as well where we all sit at home and we say ourselves, why is he calling their play? Yards they're not getting anywhere. It's like eventually is going to pop in sometimes that happens like that. So you know you gotta think that Matt Nagy along with with Nick foles kind of know exactly what it is that they want to do from an offensive standpoint it feel good about it. Well the Chicago to four yards on the ground. So and he got sacked nick foles got sacked four times. This is use four times, Aaron? Donald, agreed. So let's just call this weight is key. The bears are who I thought. They were right like this look like a team that can outrace Green Bay packers to NFC north title. No does this look like an operation with enough offensive potency to hold onto a wildcard into January. Oh no no I don't know what their own. Line is decimated Louis Riddick said it during the Monday night football broadcasts he said look you can't make players bigger faster and stronger, and when the defense can't get your points, you're going to be in trouble and I said it before this three skit they have coming up at Ramsey played a saint snacks and then the titans we're going to find out everything we need know about this team defensively they're good but offensively, they are inept. He here's what I would say about Chicago. They played Ram team. That's that's good. Rams. The Rams are good. They're good football team but the rams late in air up in. San Francisco week ago. So you wasn't sure what that was. They went to three weeks ago in got beat in Buffalo. After plan the giants in in going back to la coming all the way back to you The Chicago bears next Sir. What are we next month? I mean next week. Ob. November we gave the weather will start to change. They'll be at home when the in Chicago when you play outdoors this formula for them, which is try to run the football limit your mistakes which nick foles had two hundred substance last night so that hurt him play defense. In that weather is portable so I'm not ready to say that they're not a legitimate. Team. So they have to win ugly that ever. You go all the way back. If you go all the way back to nine, thousand, nine, hundred, five and you go to Mike Ditka Chicago bears. The style not ugly but just the style defense hard nose run the ball with sweetness and McMahon throw a few check downs here near or you fast forward to Rex Grossman in Lovey Smith Rex Grossman man I'm without that was the defense that did that in a random Balsam. 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You don't have Marcus Peters he don't have todd Gurley and they're winning in different ways and it's not just the explosive offense but using special teams and field position we're back Sean Jay Williams Zubin were presented by progressive insurance, all of our. Guests on the Shell Pennzoil performance line one quickly mentioned the twitter question today. Easiest possible. We're asking you in the Dr Pepper twitter feed. WHO's the best team in the NFC? SEATTLE? Green? Bay. Tampa. Bay Want to go off the board a little bit. Maybe the rams who knows to be a part of the keyshawn J. Zubin. Nation. On the Dr Pepper twitter feed ESPN nation presented. by Dr Pepper, it's official college football's back. So is your favorite Dr Pepper. College football fans will head to a store near you to treat your inner college football fan to an ice cold twenty ounce Dr. pepper today again, eighty eight say espn if you WANNA hit us up old school if you want to tweet us key Jay Z. Best Team in the NFC key I don't Think the rams will get a ton of votes. But if you voted for him would disagree you said this morning right before we went on the air that the rams quote unquote scare you generally when I hear that I think about all, that's a team that might steamroll team a little worried about that. But your definition of scared of the rams is a little something different. Yes. At. You fulfill your heartbreak. You you pull form, and then all of a sudden they let you down. I, mean I thought that they were rolling and then they go to buffalo and a basically Leah Eric for three quarters and then you like are they going to beat the Francisco come in whatever manner? Cisco's not good they have Jimmy G. have the best game his entire NFL career you know it's just like it's a it's one of those deals where you start to pull form in in they just set you up for failure you know. And I thought they were going to be better than what they are. Then they lose or they start really rolling jared golf is really playing great right now and then all of a sudden, there's a game or two there where Golf Kinda. Takes a step back. So that's really what I'm saying. So when you look at where do they sit in the NFC where, where are they like? Are the better than? Green Bay. or they better than Seattle. You know Tampa. Bay you start trying to fit them in. Wear Rookie I was GONNA ask you. So if you were to rank the top defense in the, NFC. It would have be between the rams and the bucks correct. The bears bears are there rows, Bucks Rams Bugbears Or however, you wanted browse books. Chicago the NAYS. The probably the three defenses that you would simply say, okay, I could I could do some with these defenses. So I like the rams defense against Seattle granted. I understand you went through the litany of teams that they didn't perform well against but then I watched the game last night and if that's a sign of things that they can do, the bears haven't allowed any team to. Score twenty three points or more score twenty, four, Jared Goff I mean they scored the rams scored three touchdowns, right each touchdown and felt like he had a three drives for at least fifty yards. So it's they moved the ball they ran the ball for one hundred and fifty plus yards they they played well. So these are the glimpses of brilliance you see from them offensively, granite. Against the bears but they could, they can do that. Well, the bears defense is good but sean mcvay calling plays and design things that get jared Goff on the perimeter allow him to utilize whatever little athletic ability he may have. His back pocket certainly helps having a receivers in Robert Woods and Cooper Cup Reynolds and running Henderson in the Backfield, but the offense ally stood up to. For the most part, the Jared Goff might have been sacked one time for the most part they stood up against Chicago because Chicago's defense didn't play lights out last night doesn't mean that they're not a good defense and it doesn't mean that the rams offense is not good at all. It's just for me. It's one of those deals where I'm still trying to process exactly what the rams are. Like, what are they because? Sean mcvay can call a great game and it looks good because they're hitting on all cylinders. They went up against an offense in Chicago. That's not really superior. Not GonNa really give you a whole lot in when they're not running the BAUGH IN A. Lot of teams can block ninety nine in general meaning Aaron. Donald. For the For the rams in when Aaron. Donald, able to pinch you push you in close gaps you in trouble and they can't run the football. So therefore, you can't negate him from Russian and getting a field of put pressure on the quarterback. It'll be interesting to see if they could. Do the same thing defensively that they did last night. Against Chicago Against Green Bay offense New Orleans Saints, offense when they get. Sanders and Michael Thomas Back into the lineup. What would that look like if they had to run up and play against him, it'll be interesting because the bears just lost to the rams last night you mentioned or even or even more interesting what's going to happen when they play against? My guys out in Arizona Right. is in Arizona. We've came such a long way in this relationship so it's okay. It's okay. You're giving a little love in the mood sugar head they're growing on you. You know they were cute. Now they're pretty no no. No, they're still they're still commodities still cute I win the other day was in a pretty win it was cool they. They didn't lead the entire game until they kicked the field goal in one. So all that matters. Vinyl. Score. So, we'll have your real rankings at seven fifteen. We'll see where the rams fit will see where the saints fit even though they're not exactly at full capacity like you said, it's interesting. You mentioned when the scenes do get to full capacity if they aren't full capacity on Sunday, it's the Chicago bears that they will take on and the rams. By the way you have to go cross country to play the Miami Dolphins on a short lit up game and we should mention it's not maybe as Titanic J. as Max finally turning. The tide here on Tom Brady mean the other way but Qian cuyler Murray have now bridged their differences just a little bit. I want to ask you this real quick on the Rams Sean mcvay first year makes the playoffs great hit second year super bowl loss by seven points to the pats. They only give up ten points in the Super Bowl Tom Brady lost ten three and then last year the first backslide see that's what I think. It is immediately youngest coach in modern NFL history make the playoffs loser, the wildcard or Young GROOTEN. Third Year hang on nine and seven I bit of adversity and to me maybe that's why we're looking at five into and saying ordinary team at five and two for example, Arizona's five into Edward, bullish on Arizona. But sometimes maybe look at it and say McVeigh had so much success they that first blip of adversity and now we just WanNa see how they react to it the following year. Yeah. You're saying that but also those first two years it was so much. Snap crackle pop with the with everything where you had a young head coach. You have way phillips a former defensive coordinator. Super. Bowl guy you had personalities into leaving Peters. You had Aaron Donald Todd Gurley you just had so much and then they completely to the to a degree stripped it down and now you have guys like Jalen Ramsey. So. We don't know we'll see and they paid a ton of guys a ton of money. They have a lot of money wrapped up in a few guys they are playing for now still to come, the argument has been made is it valid? Are The browns better off without Oh bj and so possibly could Baker Soussan say will sylvan the podcast. When you need your bank capital. One is right in the palm of your hand. So you can check your balance deposit checks, pay bills, and transfer money from your phone with top rated APP, and when you're done banking, put it back in your pocket, a banking experience built around you and your life. This is banking reimagined get started online anytime. What's in your Wallet Capitol NA member FDIC. Have to do laundry when I get home like all my clothes over the washing machine, then I get to them in the dryer. And Accidentally Shrink Mike Has Mir sweater again. Motorcycles make everything exciting, and when go makes it easy to switch and save on motorcycle insurance it's even more exciting. I'm going to fold all my thoughts into little balls. Yeah. GEICO motorcycle fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percents or more. Here's the real deal Cleveland moving on with out Odell Beckham junior they will welcome the Las Vegas Raiders to town on. Sunday, the comments you just heard were from Jay will and key yesterday on our program. Before we knew the severity of Odell Beckham Junior's injury point Baker Mayfield over five of the star in two, hundred, twenty, three. Five touchdowns in that win one thing you mentioned key before we jump right into the conversation about the effect of not having bj is it you watched the injury happened as a player as a wide receiver and you were kind of puzzled that it happened on that play essentially the second play the game. Yeah. I was like it didn't. It didn't look agrees usually when the do gets an ACL, it's like you know what? I'm saying twisted turn it feels like when did he heard it? Maybe, when he jumped up like I couldn't tales like I just didn't didn't look. It didn't buckle usually you see this out. So it was like Dang when did he actually did he actually did he actually heard it at some other time then all of a sudden it completely tour. We'll find out straight talk. It's time for straight talk brought to you by straight talk wireless j what are your thoughts straight well, first off I feel horrible for OB J. absolutely we were talking about the time line before we came on key. So if it takes you a year to come back from a L. injury now Likley a year typically years now you're talking about October of two thousand, twenty one. Now go to go into November November. Okay. So I've had my acl torn it took me a year. So by the time the surgery to probably another week right 'cause you're willing and stuff like that maybe or you Or if you can get the swollen dying probably get done next couple days but my thing is dependent upon it. You know coming off an injury takes you a while for your body to find out rhythm. So by the time, you actually get to peak performance after an ACL maybe another seven eight months. So you're talking about him maybe being fully in control of how great he feels ended the season two, thousand and twenty two in in every body reacts from a mental standpoint differently when they have injuries right I mean we don't know how he recovers in terms of his mental state now ob Jay's been banged up before. He's had hamstrings. I believe he had a quad a some sort with the giant. So He's been out of the lineup before but nothing to to the to the standpoint of twelve month Rehab It certainly is going to be a part of a mental rehabilitation more. So than his knee I mean the knee part of it I've one hundred percent believe in whichever doctor and whichever Rehab Center he's using to get him back right on the field it's. All about the mental state though how how's he going to be from a mental standpoint when he's out there running or afraid to break a cut or do some things that he needs to do his quicks s one thing that he's got to have back his lateral quickness in his ability to go up at high point the ball, some of the things that you seen in a rare in in in a rare athlete I mean he's a phenomenal athlete. And on top of that, you look at the time line. And look at his age when that clock turns thirty, they start looking at you differently and I think he's twenty nine years old at this point in. So now you get to be thirty in into your thirty and a half today thirty, one start looking at you real different and we didn't get a chance to see it this year because Klay Thompson didn't play but Klay Thompson that towards ACL, he could've came back and play this year but I guarantee you Klay Thompson. Could've came back and played towards the end of the year. But how he would have played at the end of the year as opposed to how he's GonNa play next season will be drastically different because it how much more confidence in his leg but key it transitioned to point this whole notion and narrative that is starting to build within the media right now that Oh this is addition by subtraction for the browns and that the browns are better team without. Oh, bj because now. Baker Mayfield doesn't have to be fixated on him as a primary target. Heard Dan. Orlovsky. The other day on NFL live. Say Well, look the QB QBR number. Without Ob J. on the field was seventy within with seventy three point six without him on a field. For Baker Mayfield Ninety six point to the completion rate with OB J.. NFL fifty three point eight with other receivers. Seventy eight point six. So all these numbers are skewing say that Baker is going to be better but I would say this I off those numbers are skewed man they played against the bengals being give up four. Hundred yards a game they allow you to score twenty seven point seven points per game. It's GonNa look great against their secondary because they're secondary's not good. I think we start to get into the meat of the season where the browns need a big time receiver to get them that target I'm not saying Jarvis Landry can't do that but still you're gonNA miss him because he also takes so much attention away from people on the field. Jay to the numbers into what people say. Yes. There is some truth to that that. By him not being on the field the browns are better, but let's clean that message. Let's not make it because what happens is they leave it out there in a hanging out in people think that they're saying that the browns are better because he's a distraction. So you got to remove that part of it in terms of on the field, they probably will be a better passing team because Baker Mayfield we'll be better and what I mean by that is he's Not Looking at number thirteen as I read all the time even know seven Kevin Key may have Odell sometimes as the third option because Baker Mayfield has such a relationship with him that he's a third option. Baker Mayfield is goals to thirteen instead of eighty who's the first option on this particular pattern particular route particular formation that they call in that happens across the board on every single team in the national football league in every single quarterback for that matter is that When something is called even Tom Brady. When it's called, you you you. You're so locked in on Gronkowski that you forget that the play really was called for Mike. Evans is. So you drop back because you so used to throw into number thirteen in in Baker's mine he's looking at it and go going. Well, he's going to win for me. He's going to win for me any forces that throws to him. So when he's not on the field I don't have to worry about ob Jay because he's not there. So now I can get through my progressions of one two and three and get back to a check. Down if need be opposed to holding onto the ball waiting for ob bj to break free and then all of a sudden I'm sat or flushed out of the pocket because I got off my mark that all is true. But what happens with the media's setting it up as if oh, BJ's a problem they they haven't done what I'm doing. They're not explaining to you. They're just throwing a number out there is saying they're better off without him in now really telling you the fool contexts why there may be not even the team the quarterback may be better off without him. Is that make sensations because they're not they're not telling you that they just WanNa make it sound like Oh. BJ's a problem and that's not the case the problem is. We J. has relationship with Baker. Mayfield because he's a great player in all great receivers have relationships with quarterbacks. So quarterback stare you down. That's just what they do. Every quarterback. I've ever had would stare me down even if plays were not meant for me. Interesting okay. So straight talk wireless no contract no compromise key mentioned the numbers you need to know Odell is going to turn twenty eight twenty next week. Okay. November fifth well, it'll be twenty nine when he comes back to so he'll be thirty he's probably fully healthy ready to go and the number key said they started looking at you different questions do you think he comes back and he's still brown? Yes. He'll be a brown he comes back will stay at Brown. What's the question because it feels like his chemistry or Baker Mayfield is not there. We'll find out. We'll find out. He's going to have to work his chemistry with the guys. He's got left again though welcome Jon Gruden the Las Vegas Raiders to town a Reminder Odell is a three time pro bowler any time second team, all pro, and this player resumes brought to you by indeed need to hire. You need indeed learn more at indeed dot com slash. Credit the Chicago bears loss on Monday night football to the Los Angeles Rams. Nets happens I. Don't think a lot of people were surprised by that. But what did surprise some people and raise eyebrows were these comments by Brian Greasy on the broadcast last night talking about what he was told by Nick, foles about his communication with Matt Nagy on certain play situations listen to this. We were talking to Nick foles yesterday, and he said sometimes play calls come in and I know that I don't have time to execute that play call and you know I'm the one out here getting him sometimes the guy calling the plays Matt Nagy doesn't know how much time there is back here. So that's something that they have to get worked out. Wow Nagy essentially said there is no problem falls for his part said, stop me if you've heard this before with an athlete who was taken out of context and it was a little bit of miscommunication for. More on this, we welcome Jeff dickerson on the Shell Pennzoil performance line. He is our ESPN bears reporter. He's brought to you by Shell v Power. NITRO, plus Premium Gasoline Jeff from what your sources are telling you and all the people you talk inside. Of Halas, Hall with what do you make of those comments that greasy made saying there is a miscommunication at times between the head coach and the quarterback you don't Zubin guys of the ten thousand things that Matt. Nagy. Thought. He was going to be asked about about the offense after the game on Monday night. That was not on the list. He was certainly taken aback and he really punted into furred to Nick foles who as you said Zubin said well, that's not exactly what I said to Brian Greasy he must have had a misunderstanding now look I covered Brian Greasy in Chicago near the end of his career. He's a longtime quarterback. I'm pretty sure that he speaks the same language as nick foles. So my guess is it was not taken out. Of context this happened really late. Of course, in that game Monday night, the bears got right on that charter flight which I know was a long one back to Chicago from Los Angeles. So they're just really getting back into town right now I have seen stuff like this happened with teams in the bears before where something might be said in a production meeting and it gets out on the air that they were not expecting the fallout is. Usually not great my expectation is that Nagy when he addresses the media at noon central time here in Chicago. Today, we'll try to offer up some sort of clarification but the bottom line is guys you don't have to be a genius to know that this offense is not working well, I mean, it is broken. It is bad on every level, the play calling quarterback plays but uneven the offensive line they're not using people the right way so. It doesn't surprise anyone to hear that because clearly there are lot of kind of disconnects on offense right now in Matt Nagy even though he's got a good head coaching record, he does a great job. In my opinion you know motivating that team he's a player's guy he was brought to Chicago because of offense and the offense really hasn't been any good in two plus years. Let me ask you this still jeff talking about the offense not be. Real quick for me. When was the last time that they had a good offense they brought in trust me in all sorts of offense of minds. Chicago bears historically is a defense special teams don't make mistakes on offense win type football team keyshawn. That's why the frustration in Chicago is so palpable even though the bears were five and two, it's because the offense hasn't been good in generations generations of bears fans. Have seen this there was one year in the one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety s when Erik. Kramer had a great year for the bears quarterback. Great. Great by the bear standards guys with a passer rating of like ninety six I mean that really is different thirty years ago. That's where you took me I could goal is the one year that Jay Cutler had okay. Passer rating with Adam, gays in the bear still. Went like five and eleven I mean, this is this is the problem. It's the bears are five and two. They are right in the mix here they might even make the playoffs look at their schedule coming up but no one has any faith that the offense is going to get any better. So how can you really be a championship contender with an offense like that in the bears all week going into that Rams game just want to focus on the fact that they were five and one, which is fine but you can't do that now after that performance on Monday night because again at least there's so many more questions as to where this thing is going to the rest of the year. So Jeff if it's very visible that Matt, Nagy and his team struggle with their offense, how differently should we look at? Mitchell trubisky. J, I there there's going to be some some clamoring to get your bisky back in there and I think that's the last I. think that's the last thing that Matt Nagy wants to do I mean he made that change with the eye towards it being permanent. The reason you could justify that a little bit is because Nick foles does not move very well, and if you guys watch that bears offensive line, they don't block very well, and that's a bad combination not trubisky for his false. You know he's obviously a very athletic kid. He's very mobile. He might be able to make a little something back there happen but no I think what occurred is that there's been really no difference between foles and trubisky. So does that mean J. that trubisky is better or just the bears are still abysmal when it comes to evaluating quarterback talent now we talk. About the lack of the offense for generations I mean the best quarterback in bears history guys is Sid. Luchman. He hasn't played since the forties like that's a major problem and if Nick foles doesn't turn out to be a long term solution and we know the trubisky thing is basically over the bears aren't going to be drafting in the top five or take Trevor Lawrence like where does this go there in this perpetual cycle of just bad offense bad quarterback play and they can't find a way to get out of it unfortunately said, that's just certainly not their style shows you how quickly. The NFL moves it was basically two years ago that Matt Nagy was triumphantly driving to the airport and picking up. Khalil Mack everything's going to change. We make the playoffs we lose on the double doing field goal no big deal everything's fine and less than two years later to nothing bowl where rex Grossman man stop how Orton o big about it your fair fair Jim McMahon of course as well. That's super bowl winning quarterback in Chicago. Really appreciate the inside this morning. Jeff thank you. You Bet guys take care much more NFL talks he played for them. Yeah. Way At the end way. At the end, much more than NFL talk including a little cowboy talking one minute. But first, let's go with the fellas the soundtrack is back. Audio Soundtrack is back eight brought the red box. Now available at Red Boxing Edgy, your seat action thriller that CAN'T BE MISSED EVITA STARRING JESSICA chastain visit red box, dot com for all the ways to watch going from Dallas to DC because the world series is just outside of Dallas in Arlington keys dodgers can clinch tonight coverage begins on ESPN radio at seven thirty eastern with a little pre-game dancer they're looking for their first world title since nineteen eighty. Dave Roberts. Knows there is a margin of error because they go to a game seven. No. But with the trio of arms they have in reserve he's feeling pretty good but knows they got to be aggressive tonight it's not Jewish die. That's just the mindset is we're GONNA do everything. We can to win Jason knowing that we have walked Walker. Starting game seven and? You know. And Julio is well as far as of hitching so. Outside of Walker. And obviously Clayton. Everyone's allston play. Key you said dodgers in five it could be dodgers in six. Why will it be dodgers in six? I think a skipper just sit right there. I'll side of those three pitches. We're going heavy bullpen with heavy rotation if we if we got a pitcher inning, that's what we're GonNa do and our bats are GonNa stay alive and they know that this is the moment you can't play around with game seven just because Walker Bueller will take the mound you get it done tonight get home tomorrow get it. Down Tonight, dodge has been on the precipice and nobody is going to be more relieved if they win their in battled manager Dave Roberts has gotten them so close but not over the hump the cowboys nowhere close to being over the hump from. Dallas. To DC right they lost to the Washington football team, their defensive coordinator Mike Nolan certainly feeling the heat after all the cowboys of allowed a league-high two, hundred, forty, three points but he was feeling the heat in a different way when speaking to the media yesterday. Obviously, the frustration for him as well as just look when he misses them nobody excuse me I've got my. Best, or my finger and it went am I wasn't good. It's terrible. I'm sorry. Back Joy you saw forgive me I'm sorry I. Remember the question if you give it to me again, the question was about demarcus Lawrence J it's like a Rocky Balboa Reference Mickey cut me I can't see out there and neither can mark Nolan on the defensive end either is Tabasco sauce in his eyes during the Games well, can you cook a lot of this stuff happened genius Does but it's a pandemic man. All it takes thirty seconds to wash the. Damn hand. Mike, you don't go from eating to the press wash hand. I think it's twenty seconds, which is happy. Birthday twice. Thirty or whatever news twenty but if it's hot making. Thirty. At least thirty Spicier, ramp it up a little bit on a more serious note Mike McCarthy again had to address the subject that basically took all the oxygen on sports social media. On Monday the lack of reaction to Andy Dalton getting drilled by John Bostick and no cowboys narrow one going over to defend the cowboys qb. On With Andy's hit I think obviously the. The officiating care the. What happened and? So forth but the response. From the offensive line I think our guys. Did exactly you know the starting point was. Cover the football they were all five my right there when Andy went down but I think this whole thing you know as far as. House viewed. A little bit of a microcosm of just kind of where we are so young players in those situations so but. You know. It's really sorry about that key shaking your head young I'm going to do with teammate. With being yeah. You just watch the. Do you know some of them do? Amari Cooper is not young. Mark Cooper's not young Mark Cuban League seven years now, six years young. I mean come on do anything could look man That hit just so happen to just be a concussion as of right now, concussion protocol. Doesn't mean he's concussed it. Just they WANNA, check it out. But it looks vicious very violent. You stand around as if to say what? All doesn't matter what you've done that if it was Zeke, would you have done if deck like? No come on this cowboys team is leaderless inner rattlers mean that that's that's the problem right now and This proves that Zach Dak deserve his money because Dak is the heart and soul of this team. If that happened to deck, you would have seen the cowboys fight fight that team fair enough or Romo or Aikman or anybody were presented by progressive insurance on the way. McCarthy. One in done not an overreaction. To will. Go podcast.

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Yesterday we did new york and phoenix today chicago and to do that with us we bring in david caplan host of and jayhood on. Espn one thousand cap. Good morning. So who do we got in chicago. Well i mean you've got so first of all what i talked to evan. I didn't know are the criteria. The like who. I would draft if i was a. Gm is the hottest names. Because i could go a whole bunch of different ways and anthony rizzo and tim anderson and jose abrego and khalil mack and none of them made the cut. Mrs libel or slander. I'm not sure which one. But i definitely sent him the criteria so libel or slander. Or both ooh. I like the way evan. Got it in your cap. He's not gonna let you throw them and so so we didn't really know the criteria either like we were trying to figure it out in fact. We argue with. Chris canty about his list in new york because he had jacob degrom is number one and we felt like the criteria should be if there's one table left at the best place who's getting that table everybody shows up at the same time right. It's who gets that treatment because they are the biggest star recognition sizzle all that stuff and he went with well. He's the most talented current player. So how so. Now that you didn't you weren't given any Protocols no criteria so you went on your own. So what were your. What was your criteria before you reveal your list. It's how you so eloquently put it and it was. If you know we're wherever we're going to each chicago cut which i think is the best restaurant or chicago cuts that we got one table left guys. Who's getting it. I can tell you the guy on my list is getting no doubt in my mind and the funny thing is the guy i have ranked number two probably should be ranked number three as i was driving listening to you guys are so tell us who are they okay so number one is patrick kane. Patrick kane is so big in the sound. He won three stanley cups. Mean he is just iconic here. So i would put him number one. I have kris bryant number two. And then i have justice fields number three. And i'm telling you have. Justin fields is starting early in the season or Game one like maybe he should be. He might move up to number one if he looks like. He's the real deal. We have not had a quarterback did stuff forties. I'm not kidding you. I walked honest to god to a breakfast place. I eat at all the time. Two weeks ago i walk in. There's this older gentleman sitting there who's got to be eighty and he's like. Hey man i listened to your show this morning. Thanks for mentioning my dad. Who's your dad. Sid luchman kit was in there. Yeah lachmann son was sitting in the breakfast place. That's how far back we go. When we had quarterback where zach living cap is he anywhere close. C. four no. I probably tell you. Anthony russo's getting that table before. Zach levine khalil. Mack is probably getting that table before. Zach levine commander. Since probably getting that table before zach levine. Then probably me now if you've said to me. Hey you're drafting in putting your basketball team together. I want zach levine. Love him but in terms of being a red hot name. No no shot. Yeah i agree with list. So i think when you you know. I don't know much about patrick kane. But i understand three stanley cups. I get it but when you when you talk about kris bryant and you talk about just in fields it makes all the sense of the world. You got a quarterback that's coming in and be the savior. He has a certain unique. Look to him People can recognize him immediately. He's been all over the news over the last month. So people are excited about it. So i could see him getting the table and then obviously to chicago cubs third-base. That's what i wanted to manage to the white sox obviously. Yeah and but the white sox just aren't the tino again. Like degrom with the mets and aaron judge with the yankees but i was curious to ask you though. Cap is well aware of patrick kane and everything that he's done and i know chicago's great hockey town but kris bryant like winning a world series for the cubs knowing that it you know well over one hundred years and who knows it will be another hundred before they win. Another one like. I would think that would put you in such an icon status that even beyond What the blackhawks have done. 'cause i know the blackhawks when a longtime about in a cup before he and jonathan showed up but still i'm amazed that bryant wouldn't be one I would tell you. And i could've put anthony. Rizzo there the chris often. This really awesome start. he's won. Mvp but in terms of bigger impact on our community. That's anthony result cancer survivor. He gives millions back to lurie children's hospital and visit sick kids off. I mean massive. But he's not off to the best start numbers wise this year christie's in his final year as his anthony and their contract at chris was an mvp. That's why. I had to give it to chris but you know there are a lot of people that will tell you the face of the chicago cubs. Is anthony rizzo. So i could have gone either way. They're good stuff cap. Thanks so much. Nice guy avid great. Dan i will tell you. Jay will had still been here. They will be on my lip. That guy was map with your tap. I'll say this up patrick kane. No i've had a night out with patrick kane first. I drink me underneath the table. I never seen man during the way. Patrick new stories there but people took care of him. The way people took care of derek. Jeeter here in new york like everybody was like it was like the white glove like pat. You okay what's going on kate. You good. Everybody ushered him helped him. It was incredible to see the city. Come around like superstar power. I've never seen before patrick kane. It was one of the most incredible experiences in my life. Today wasn't a great next morning but never is a say. Espn but a good story. Eight seven to nine three seven seven six back to the calls. We go off the topic of the day. Tim tibo may become backs that that shouldn't happen. Let's go to kevin in georgia. Kevin more gentlemen how we doing morning. Hey i just wanted to. First of all i grew keyshawn that if people make the roster he is taking a spot away from what it's got more experience but when he first came into the league he was very popular denver in the jets. People came to the stadium where they played. He sold tickets riphil seats. And even if you make the roster. That's i just see this as a pr stunt. Do just that sell tickets. Fill seach count. Didn't they have occurred. Business isn't the upper deck in that stadium covered in tarp. They still doing that in jacksonville. More obviously the pandemic bobby pre pandemic. i thought they never sell out. What that's going to do to the jacksonville fan base. How many people gonna come out to support. Whatever man i know we so he's gonna be on marketing collateral albany stand. Nfl stadiums outside of sorrow. Okay always sell out. Man alvin regardless of tim tebow deer and that okay. Alvin the number. I alvin maurya. Simon theodore no. Because i wanted to say if you're mad at tim tebow pure hate. No one saying anything to you. Don this has about taking a roster spot and he is eighty seven years old and is on the end of the bench of the miami heat. Nobody says thing this the sports business. Whatever is who you know. There are people who get get invited into rookie minicamps because their dad is an assistant quality control coach out. I'm not gonna let you keep going up. Alvin has has played for that organization. But wait hold you. Can i get eat please. Do he plays for the organization and he plays basketball and he has to stop for six years. He he doesn't play. He plays basketball a long time. He plays basketball. He's built the organization forever. He's never stopped a retire for six years. Got rings there it. It does does widely respected by everyone in the league because of what he did as a player and in part of championships and setting standard for a franchise that when new players come in. They know that guy sets the standard here. You show respect him. He's a godfather in the league. Based on what he did yes previously yes and their value. His value on the roster is that because that role. Okay tough comparison. Tougher doesn't mean allen's wrong though again. Say sorry elvis said guys come into the league in minicamps because father says yes that is true but they stopped playing for six damn years. Why are you looking at me because you sitting up there acting like it's okay to take off six years and you really helpful to me. Obviously this brings emotion out of both of you especially you. Yuki you feel some strong. 'cause i don't like it i understand you don't like is he. Taking money from some kids pocket. who deserves it. Yes but like. I said it multiple times. This happens every single day in our country. Every business does this because of somebody. They know whether they're worn it for position or not. It happens marketing. ploys publicity. Stunts people get their foot in the door. I don't like it doesn't mean that it's not the reality of the case so my thing is if we had the same heat for tim tebow. We need to keep it every time somebody gets a job. They don't deserve. We need to come in yellow about it the same way. We're you're on about every time. Somebody does get a job that don't deserve it and it's worth mentioning than we do talk about it. But tim. tebow is polarizing. So we're going to talk about it for the next five months. And you have to know that jacksonville. So are the jaguars. Throwing a hail. Mary in praying to get back into the afc playoff picture. Yep that's next k. j. z. On your smart speakers everywhere by just saying play. Espn radio kill down. The jaguars are about to make some breaking moves with the expected. Signing of tim tebow breaking moves. Brought to you by lincoln jobs. Build your winning team today. Go to linked dot com slash sports. This is keyshawn. Jay williams zubin. Do you own or rent your home. Share you and i bet it can be hard work. You know it's easy. Bundling policies with geico gecko makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com dennis quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy. Visit geico dot com today. That's geiko dot com playing and tom to lock in the final playoff spots. It gives teams to place for. Defend your position. Mr street makers at each other and upset the order. Anything can happen in a given and begin your run. only the strong survive make history team's performance. It's not done yet win to get in time it's nba on espn town. The state farm play in may eighteen th through the twenty first on. Espn jay will you so mad about tim. Tebas morning me yes. I'm sorry. you're really irate. This morning about tim. Tebow visit that big of a deal. I mean you allen as you said thank you. He hasn't hasn't been made the team yet. he doesn't have to make the team. I think it's just the fact that they're even thinking about it. Well he we're talking about of course. Is tim tebow story on. Espn dot com posted yesterday. Tim tebow finally getting to play for his hometown team. Just not as a quarterback. He's thirty three years old. He's expected to sign a one year contract later this week or next week to play tight end go utan. He has never played before they'll pay j. j. j. child to kit it. Don't listen to jay. Yours been agreed upon but policy. Urban meyer was his coach at florida. They want a pair of national championships there and he is now in jacksonville and that is that is what we're discussing today right now. Eighty eight say. Espn eight seven to nine. Three seven six in confidence and this is look so because it is one of those stories that kind of takes on a life of its own because it is you. Use the word jay polarizing. Oh yeah and he is that guy where people either love him or don't understand them. I don't think people hate him but it's that don't understand him kind of thing know i think some people hate him tiba. You think a hey. I don't know if it's hate. Seattle key is talking with me. I didn't think what are you doing like now. Like oh you if you told me what is the six years if you told me since. He's actually have you told me four years ago that he wanted to switch and play tidying and try it. I'll be like okay. Could do six years six. But you're also keep him on. This is also a guy that hadn't played baseball since high school and decided. I'm going to try to be a professional baseball player. At the age of thirty and the mets were like sure. That's what he wanted to do. But let me why aren't just like if you wanna play football this fine. That's what you wanna do. If that's what you want to find just know that you are first of all he was never gonna get into the majors. No matter how much they was gonna make a mockery of the organization by putting him in the majors. They wouldn't go. Baseball is way. Different wasn't gonna happen. Football on the other hand because of urban meyer he could potentially take a roster spot away from somebody that could actually play the position the position someone that could actually play position. Why won't we as angry. When tim tebow took away spot and baseball in the minor. That was a couple of times you were you. Were that angry. Evan s. I wasn't on the show. So yeah yeah. Yeah you know the way. I was acting. That's also how the mets under previous ownership operated. Yes that's just what they would do so you weren't surprise. It was the mets that signed a now michael dirocco who is the jaguars reporter for espn. He was on sportscenter. He's the one who wrote the story on. Espn dot com right now. He discussed the odds that tibo makes the roster there are guys on this roster that played the position for five or more years in this league now tibo took a handful of snaps an h back when he was with the new york jets but that was in two thousand twelve so it's not like he's done it recently he's never caught a pass and more importantly he's never really had to block anybody he's never had to hit a defensive end and then releasing get open so he's going to spend all his time learning the nuances the subtleties and the basics of the position. And he's going to have to try and be out one of those five other guys and he's going back out to of those other guys to find a spot so it's really unlikely at this point you know as they say when you have six tight ends one of them's tim tebow. You don't have a tight end. I don't even know really to be honest with. I don't even know what to make of it. Just listening to him right there. You got five other guys that have played the position lice. Amply what they're doing so why even do it though. Why even polled from jacksonville. Jaguars cy in urban meyer and tim. Tebow side i feel bad. You know what. I really feel bad for the tiny coach. The tiny on him to find a place for him the reps and get a look and see if he's just standing there holding the helmet because everybody else is getting a rep because they have to prepare these young men for the season. I is that going to go. I'm not the football expert. Who are the tight ends for the jacksonville jaguars. I can name them for you. I would say that's exactly my point. Shaughnessy luke farrell got. Because my thing is tyler dave. Almost exactly my point. Everybody has to like wait. Who are the tight ends in. Jacksonville have household name. I understand that key but like this this is about. You always talk about snack. Crackle pop what else are you bringing to. I'm not condoning it once again under saying i'm understanding of it and if you wanna have any indictment or any channel all that all that hate about ten people magazine channel towards urban meyer. Because he's the one making decision. Take it off. Tim tvos plate if he wants to play and we know what that is. We know exactly what that is. I have no hate for tim. Tebow actually ten people is successful. He'll be killed. Do your thing. Tim do your thing. But if you want to channel any decision about taking money out of the mouths of other players that an urban meyer channel that energy towards urban meyer eight eight. Say espn issue nine. Three seven seven six. Keyshawn jacob zuma coming to you live from the heineken deck. Appear seventeen on that topic that. Jj brought up. Let's go to brian. Who's in charlotte brian morning. Guys how are you good. How how're you awesome. Thank you yeah. I agree i think that you gotta cushion urban meyer and his decision making and then why are you. Putting nonsense tibo to have to make a decision for urban meyer. Say no no. This ain't my job. I shouldn't take money and be my family. You know nobody say into you. Know bella checks. Hey you shouldn't be in the league. Coaching their other guys. That should be coaching in the league ahead of you but they got a job because of their daddy you know. Why are people madison. Tibo people hate him. 'cause back in the day you know he'll down and and not like that but you know and i know why. I'm nervous right than kneeling. That's going to bring a different range. Here's what our say. Brian when you mentioned people being mad he's retired years ago from the nfl. Essentially when you talk about bill chicks kids. They coach okay and they know how to coach. They're not trying to play football at after being coaches. This is what they do. they coached. They never stopped coaching and then came back. Twenty years later no no not at all and yes arben. Meyer is at fault for this. Because he decided that he wants to explore the opportunity for tim tebow to get a look at tiny and yes if he makes if he makes thirteen he will be taking food off of some young guys table. That can actually play the position in probably do it. Well that won't get a fair. Look yes. I have an issue with that. Sorry inundate say. Espn eight seven to nine. Three seven seven six larry's in gainesville so must be a big florida fan. Larry yes you're you're right about that. I am a big florida plan. My god in the sporting world that the whole time driving to work this morning. I'm listening to ten people again. I can't believe listen. The guy was a good athlete in college. He's already proved he don't belong in the. Nfl is already been there. And when you talk about who's daddy this daddy what you said you hit the nail on the head. Urban meyer is pretty much. Tim tebow daddy now. I don't care there ain't a gm. But i'm telling you right. Now i'd take a fifth string tight in out of college before i ever ask a guy that's never played that position a chance. The emotions down here. And gator nation are so mad. You got your die hard and when i say diehards. I'm talking about crackdown nut jobs. The just take ten people the second coming of the lord okay and then the rest of them are real list just know that it is going to work and some most of them are jaguar fans. And they don't want this but with fat being said i will. I'll give you one thought this morning. One good thing coming out of gainesville here shortly this year and marie jones gentlemen with dan mullins our quarterback this year for the gators ameri jones. Remember all the great quarterback. Dan mullen just put out. Watch that young man this year. We are going to have a fantastic season. I rather be talking about him. Tempta- tebow right now. The show guys of energy too but he he gave you that sort of temperatures from gainesville right now stuffing this is the most they've had there already. It's almost like it's oversaturation even for them some of them. You think that's what we're thinking this. Pr stunt people are going to love this and he said yeah you'll have your what do you call them. Wacked out nut jobs that will love this stuff but there's a lot of people that are tired of it. S i can't i just i play. I mean i. I played in the league. Man and i've watched guys that didn't deserve to be on a roster and there were guys who were cut that were just so far above them as players in guys got jobs because they say the right thing and you can play in the other guy never got a fair opportunity a chance in why the league in it sucks. It sucks watching it. I literally watched college game day every week and resolve. Say i work with reese for college game day for basketball watching football huge show. Every time tim tebow comes on and even gives you his opinion. If you look through social media either people are killing his opinion and killing him or people. It's extreme on. Both sides are easing hand. And saying i love you. You're god fearing man. This is what we want from you. So it's such that so that's happening on just an opinion about a college football team on social media like imagine what this is going to remember last year when he made the comments about the players getting paid in college and he said i would never wanna get paid because i think it takes away from what goes into college athlete and the charm of plane school any whenever where like heavy criticism. Yeah yeah no that. That's what polarizing is and for for sleepy franchise like the jaguars have been know this kind of how many times how many times we just mentioned the jaguars name. Well and also. Trevor trevor lawrence was the number one pick and he was one of the most celebrated quarterbacks to come out of college in a long time and yet he's like an afterthought if he does draft night he was in after. How beautiful is that. How beautiful i. If you're lawrence like all right let me take a little bit. Go ahead tim. Go take all this pressure in the me work precious. How's he taking pre. I don't understand. Where does he take. I'm not saying prussian lawrence because he has to perform attention from weird all. I'm saying but the expectations that come along with being the savior of a franchise. And i'm not saying it's realistic. But that's what people do to save us. But allen said that he's gonna take some of that attention away. Okay so you're gonna have a conversation about. Tim cook tim tebow today tomorrow and then come training camp. You're going to have a conversation about him. Running out on the field with his uniform on the quarterback of the team was drafted. Number one overall. And he's actually one. It's going to be playing field eventually. We're going to start so you really. Are you really thinking that that. Tim tebow standing on the sideline with a jersey on and the helmet is gonna know. I get another sixty thousand people in the empty stadium. Sixty thousand no no. But it's just like larry told us though. There are so many people in that area. So face figure absolutely. I mean i i and it's it's created. Look we again. Like i said draft night the number one pick and they drafted a quarterback that has been one of the most celebrated quarterbacks in college football and a very long time and he was an afterthought on draft night so here we are talking about jacksonville. And it's still not about trevor lawrence. I just find that amazing. And it's because again it's who it is and also what he's doing but there's more happening in the nfl. Of course our story that we've shoved aside today at has been a hot topic. Which is aaron rodgers. So what's behind. Aaron rodgers frustration with the packers will find out next with a super bowl champion. That of course will come after. Sportscenter begin with sports sportscenter right now. Wizard russell westbrook. Another story has kind of been shoved aside today. He posted his one hundred. Eighty second career triple double that broke oscar robertson's league-record the wizards did lose one. Twenty five one twenty. Four at the very end russ missed a potential game-winning three right before the buzzer. That would have given it a real story beginning but he still finished with twenty points. Thirteen rebounds twenty one assists now oscar robertson had held the record since november of nineteen sixty one when his thirty third career triple double surpassed bob cousy for most all time at that point in nba. History here's westbrook on his historic night to be able to be mentioned oscar. Magic jason kidd was guys Something i never resumed about the young kid growing up in la and truly grateful for it's and something that i should know normally at. I don't like to cook pat myself on bags in our know bradley. Beal for the wizards they are still in the ten spot. In the east the lakers there in the seven spot in the west but lebron james is likely to return tonight in their game against the knicks at staples center locals lakers coach. Frank vogel said. James was a full participant in practice on monday and his injured. Right ankle has been pain-free after several days off. That's according to sources that told that to espn's adrian. Orgy now ski on monday. Lebron is miss six games. He missed six games into a high. Right ankle sprain. Then he had a two game return. That missed the next four games in an attempt to wrest the ankle. The lakers their twenty fifteen when the bron- plays compared to ten fifteen when he does not to baseball mets. Ace jacob degrom headed to the i l. with tightness on his right side. The teams that are emory. On sunday. Night was clean of any issues but the move will keep him from taking the mound until may twentieth at the earliest. The two time national league cy young award winner is three and two with an m. l. best point six eight era this season fourth-best by national nationally pitcher through six starts in the expansion era to ground the first pitch with six strikeouts in the sub. One era who six starts since randy johnson in two thousand sportscenter presented by progressive home insurance. Get your quote at progressive dot com today. Oh that's right arron rogers story. It's mess up. Some commas aaron rodgers hm pushed aside. This has been a really hot topic. Obviously in the nfl continues to be and as you try to get as much information about what is really going on behind the scenes here from different people. Some teammates those around the league that might be hearing and sources and whatnot. But let's go to somebody close enough to image a hawk former packers linebacker who champion as well who joins us right now on the good hotline good morning. Aj so we've been talking about. Tim tebow most of the morning curious. If you're going to come back in the nfl at some point maybe as a fullback or something else. Say i will not be coming back but i. I'm glad to come in here and we can talk. Aaron a little bit and guys from trying to kill each other arguing about. I know you guys are on different sides of this situation. But i think it'll be interesting to watch a timmy. Does doesn't matter. What side are you on now. That's what i wanna know. I honestly i so of with going to play tight end. What is he thirty three years. Old thirty four. I dunno whatever he is. Tim obviously is is an unbelievable athlete. He's in great shape and everything i just. I wanna see how he looks at tight end. Obviously urban is as competitive as they come so he's not going to bring on a charity case and guy. That's his friend and his body has history with just for no reason. I feel like urban. Must feel like he can contribute and help the team. And you look at their tight ends on the roster. Jacksonville doesn't have a ton of depth there like a marquee tight so who knows maybe ten. Go down there and have some success You at the kentucky derby did you drop on medina spirit. I wish so. I actually had to leave town. I was at friday for the oaks raises all of those. And then i had to take off my kids that Had some stuff on saturday. We had to get back to. But i Luckily yes seem Has anything happened over. The last hour to bob baffert is able to run in the preakness. He's yeah he's actually in baltimore. The horse's trainer is not. He's not going to go but the horse is there gotta love racing just all these details coming out and just keep putting them racist. Just keep going. Don't think it's a different style right. That's in medina spirit no different horse preakness i mean in medina spirit Preakness thought it was a different horse. Look let's talk about the horse. The may wanna green bay. Aj kennedy patched kennedy. Can't it can't be fixed in green bay. I sure hope so. I mean i i feel like you would hope anything especially when it comes to sports and professional sports with the history. They have done their relationship with green bay and how much he loves being there. I feel like it should be able to fix now. I don't know what it's gonna take. I don't know what it's gonna take from the team side on. What aaronson have to compromise on. I'm not exactly sure. But i really hope that those conversations are have been ongoing throughout this whole process because it was kinda bizarre how it all is put out there today. The and now schefter is even said like yeah wasn't familiar and it wasn't from the team isn't humilation of things so just a real unique situation that i don't know how it gets resolved but i'm definitely hopeful that aaron is back there. Aj you've been. You've been involved in these types of situations but front office. Coaching you know in the locker room in an organization. So you know how. Things work in green bay. He seems like the biggest has been a lack of communication. Which you know in keys talked about this is like once you know once you do something where i feel like you know. You're not on my side. I like i'm done with you like is it reached like. Is that the obstacle. Is it just simply. There was a miscommunication or maybe a lack of that. And that's gone now and there's no way to repair it like how do you. I know you aren't sure how to fix it. But there's gotta be an obstacle there always is that you try to bring them together and fix it if no one what they said. They don't want him to go right. And you're saying you. You'd like to see him stay. So if that's the case there has to be a way to mend the fence here or does someone have to go meaning someone in the front office to get rid of the obstacle. I don't think so. I definitely don't think i don't get the impression for mayor that he wants the gm fire by any means. I don't think he's calling for that But yeah like any relationship. I feel like communications judge. I mean i'm married with four kids. i understand. we didn't communicate and that usually comes from my side union. Let people know how you feel. And i feel like over the years. It seems like what errands got going on. I don't think it was ever one big thing or one thing that put him over the edge to make them upset. I think it's just the building building over time. Just little things over and over again. I guess whatever that may be whether he feels like he wasn't a part of the process and not trying to to make draft picks for the team. Tell them what they need to do. I think he just wants to be involved in a little bit. And he's wanted to be involved over over the years of a wire. Why would you in this. What what's the reason behind it. What do you think here. And i don't even know if they want to give a ton of input. I i would assume he just wants to be in the loop and know what's going on and know where the direction is that. The team is heading. So i guess when you look at it that way. It seems like there's not one thing that they could do to like repair the relationship and make everything right but you can just slowly start to build that trust up. I guess if you're communicating throughout all this and trying to build a plan on on what it may look like if aaron comes back defense decides not to come back or trade or whatever the case may be is jordan. Love the guy we don't know that's i mean you ask anybody in. Everyone says well. We're not really sure. I mean he. He didn't get him to dress as the backup this year. And we didn't have a preseason. So i think everyone's kind of i think they're hopefully optimistic about jordan. Love what nobody did a college and no this work. I think what he's done on the practice field but until you see them even playing in a preseason game. I don't think people have any idea what they haven't got the fiscal tools and seems to mentally. Have an wanna work be there. But that's like how do you if you're green bay and you move on from aaron rodgers after he wins the mvp. How many games did you win next year. Like i don't know whoever the quarterback is if aaron stop quarterback. I just don't know what that looks like. Yeah i think that's a lot of people especially if you're in that division you hope to see what that looks like but no packers fan wants to aj great perspective. Thanks so much for your time. All right thank jay again. He would know very close to to rogers. And i thought what he said. There was really interesting that from what. He knows he doesn't want anybody fired. He doesn't want you know you. Good kuhn so whoever it is out he just wants to be in the loop. He doesn't wanna make decisions on the draft. He just wants to know what's going on vis at easy. Just give a damn room well or just keep them in the group chat or tell us that that's not what you want so we can stop talking about the other part to tell us. I don't want anybody fired. I'm just wanna get a chair in the room and look at what age i just told and this is what happens orion party. This is what happens. You start aaron rodgers fatigue. Like we're going to have tim tebow fatigue. You want aaron rodgers to eventually come out and say what will it take. And let's make a decision. We'll take this and we'll take that right and let's go speaking of fatigue tibo potentially signing with the jaguars is that the same as decay. Metcalf running in attract me. Jeez ducks and runs for cover. We'll ask key next after he has this from indeed need to hire people fast and can help you beat the clock with power for hiring tools like instant match just sponsored job at indeed in it will send you a list of resumes from indeed database on the spot. They also have one hundred and thirty five scales test for things that computer proficiency or customer service talent can provide so you can find the right candidates faster. Did you know. Tin hires are made every minute on. Indeed just go just goes to show you when you have indeed. It works for you. Indeed works visit indeed dot com slash credit. Would've thought that we've been discussing. Tim tibo in the nfl over three thousand days. He last played in nfl game. There are guys on this roster that have played the position for five or more years in this league. this is key keyshawn. Jay williams zubin. Wnba is on its way back playing basketball in a pandemic looks like this. No mask no six feet apart to put yourself in harm's way. It was a scary decision. Dedicating this season to on taylor the unity that we were able to experience with that we won't forget and we can lean on as we move forward. I'll do it all over again because it's bigger than me to figure them my teammates. Espn films presents. One forty four presented by honda may thirteenth at nine pm. Eastern on espn is everybody keeps are jay wills zubi presented by progressive insurance. Alanon infra zubin august. Join us on the goodyear hotline eight say. Espn interstate seventy nine. Three seven seven six the calls the takes the reactions. Like sometimes this stuff is just. It's enter you get mad but it's kinda containing would make sure you're okay because you look like this is annoying you now you profile on me. I said you look it's annoying you. That's not profiling fresh expression of frustration by. They looked like something. No that's not profiling. Please please look up the word. it's not profiles. sit is profiling where you're wearing an expression of frustration. You looking at your. You're telling me among no telling no. I said you were ugly. You had to guess face. You don't have a gas face. No not ugly look frustrated but it's kind of like us frustrated. I'm just well. Let's let's add to the if you're not frustrated now we'll be eight years. He served three seven seven six. Because bobby in los angeles might have might have the understanding of why jacksonville would want him. Tibo bobby hold on before you say anything bobby. Wh- part of la. Are you from la northern la so from the valley. You from tell me. Give me a specific area. I want your address. The valley valley. That's not okay. But going bobby. So what do you got for no one or two compared this whole pinatubo thing to the saints saints and how they have hill and breeze and creativity of the play calling so say some hill. You think sean payton kit. Urban meyer use trevor lawrence and tim tebow potentially like tasting hill and drew brees was used the creativity there though right like you could go wild for this kind of thing. You got all kinds of i. I understand where you're going with this ad. I don't know that. Tim tibo is even close to the athlete that tastes him is don't look at what he did in college. He played baseball there. Certain attributes that you have to have that tastes. Emil has that. I don't see in tim. Tibo has never seen tim tebow including throwing the football fast twitch explosiveness. I've i've never seen any of that. But maybe i'm blind i can't see. I think it's good that you look swatting bug when you throw the football that's not good. Is that a problem you. Yeah but when you start trying to compare oh he can do this because he's that type of play that's what they were do again. That's what the jets were trying to use the wildcats. Did you just say we're trying to do that. Try try yes. All of them seeing right but don't look world trying to make sense of it a lot of times we think of when things happen and we're like why are let's try to make sense of it. That i got is the one one way you possibly could do that. Let's take leroy in charlotte. Leroy morning gentlemen thank you. Thank you for taking my call. I'm really enjoying the show. But talking about tim tibo to me being die. Hard washington fan is like me giving praise instead of dallas cowboys so keyshawn. I got a question for you Tim tebow When you were playing. Who are you watching out. More for sean taylor. O'brien dog going across the middle. I know you didn't hear anybody. Who are you looking for going across the middle. I i wanna start off by saying i was worried about anybody. But if you're asking me which player was better or more intimidating or something like that. I think to certain receivers. There may have been the size of taylor. Sean taylor huge man. I'm a big do. He was bigger than me in. What i i ran appointing. I was i says somewhere like. Oh yeah damn. This is huge. I can't he's like huge when you put on pad way. Bigger be duck was fun You know he would. He would talk a little trashy. Was you know i guess. Some receivers may be intimidating. I don't know but they both were hell of a player. Sean taylor was. He could bents. Do big facet debris atas stuff. Rangy get you can get off that hashing get over there and make a the way the way former players of anyone who played against him or within. Talk about sean taylor. You could tell the what ty dallas cowboys. Were playing against the washington. Football team at the time was redskins. And you know me. I like to aggravate guys when planning is not you and He was so locked on me from frustrated with me the he forgot his assignment in the guy goes right up the real on the right side trying to patrick. Crayton we go. We're a two by two. I'm inside and slot. He's supposed to get off the hash to cover the other dude. He was so locked onto me. Patrick kane right right down. The side i touchdown win game right. Oh let him have it. You should oh man. Talk about chewing the ear on on that on that real quick nick and connecticut nick real quick. Appreciate you taking my call. Guys I just wanted to ask he I completely agree with you. I don't think chievo should have a chance at all. And i was just as mad when he got and it was taken in. Mlb roster spot. But i'm just curious is decay metcalf running in the Olympic track trials this past week. Is that taking a spot away from you. Know one of the track young track stars that have been training their whole life to have a chance. They're not that. I don't think get metcalf. Joyner percent chance to do that if he wants. But we like jay said we see this all the time not only sports but in business at no. He's really fast. And he can really run and he took any qualified so he's not taking a spot he's qualified to run. Number was very impressive. Right which rookie quarterback start week one with discuss next k. j. z. Espn radio this is eight rewards and asking check out my podcast with insight and analysis on the top stories in the nba adrian forge forging ascii are insider. Extraordinary reacted the breaking news. This is the latest bomb an in depth conversations with some of the biggest names in the league. Thanks again. i'm good. Thanks for having me. I guess yes. Thank you always appreciate you me. Listen subscribe to the wolves off wherever you listen to podcasts.

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"Well we have a very special night of baseball planned here on. Espn the yankees and astros. At seven o'clock eastern. It'll be a star wars. Themed telecast in celebration of may the fourth as in may the fourth be with you it will feature commentators dressed in full costume as star wars characters including. Carl ravages luke skywalker. Tim kirch tim. Curtin is yoda and peres as jowl a tree. Kirch as yoda kind of made me laugh. Okay as we continue continuing live as always from the seaport district and new york city Brought to you by chase. i'm greenie. i'm delighted that you were here. We have a huge our can starting right now. It's time to get up with mr rogers. We're not sure yet where he's getting traded. We have a pretty good sense of win. We have all of that and more coming your way just a moment then. Our latest draft grades put the d. In big d jerry jones. Not gonna like that. You'll hear why as we roll on. Plus the east could be a beast in five years. Which of these young guns will be the best. That's the question we've got the answer as we get up with you in this hour starting right now and all the questions come out of green bay were. Aaron rodgers feature is suddenly no longer such a beautiful mystery. It certainly mystery but there's nothing beautiful about it. After it's made clear last week. He wants out an earlier this morning. Rob demovsky told us on this show. He thinks it's less than five percent. Chance that rogers comes back to green bay which made this all the more interesting devante adams throwing some more fuel on the fire. Cryptically tweeting yesterday. Gotta appreciate what got while you got it. So there's that to react to as well let's react to it with the entire crew again. David pollack marcus spears diner and mike about gets up with us this morning as well and diana leads just start quickly with the most basic effect and it was sitting around waiting for some sort of alert that aaron rodgers has been traded. Needs to put that phone down for at least a little while we can get into some timing that we think we know pretty well. What is that. Yeah so this is gonna go down. It's going to happen after june first. Essentially what this does for green bay is if they treat him after that day the save sixteen million dollars against their salary cap right and we we know they're gonna need as much money as they possibly can wear it another kind of cap helm. We have been over the last few months. So if anything's going to happen or search seeing this in june so where do we stand now. A lot of chatter around league circles just view this as a marriage that is not going to work out the name continue to here in terms of the team. That is getting everything in line that is having conversations at least trying to engage with green bay. We know green bay does not want to trade aaron rodgers but denver. The denver broncos are sitting there ready to pouch pence on. Then that sort. I was looking for okay. So denver as a place to watch t. as a gm again a former general manager in two different places. The reason we wanted to get you in this conversation here. Today's just take us through the match nations right now take us to what we should. All assume is going on at every organization in the league. The phone calls that are going back and forth. If you're a team that's interested. How are you going about it. Take us through what we what you think should be going on right now. All across the nfl two of discussions internally. We could start with denver. You're saying such capital. Can we amass to give to green bay. In terms of picks players. Is google young player. Like is it a bradley chubb type. Is it von miller. How many multiple first round picks crust to go get aaron rodgers. Then you're talking to green bay. Say hey do we have permission to speak to. Aaron rodgers. could be a key point to this. When we traded for brett farve a decade ago at the jets once we got permission to talk to brett farr things change. We started crew. We started to knock off all concerns so teams are going to want to get permission. That's going to be key. I agree with diana that could be before june first in terms of the discussions. Trae what had happened until after june first and then fundamentally greenie it comes down to this. Does green bay believed that air. Rogers played his last football game. If he has to remain a packer. Carson palmer did it. it's really rare that's the inflection point for the packers. Do they think he will not play football if he has to go back there once. They reconcile that from there. We'll know what happened. So those are the two separate sets of discussions are happening and then quickly. Let me ask you this as well. Because when seattle was entertaining the idea of trading or i russell wilson one of the things they needed was an answer at quarterback in return and no one could offer them that chicago couldn't offer them that and that might be the reason. Russell is still in seattle. Green bay doesn't need that in theory right. Green bay has addressed. That the whole reason this is happening is because they drafted a quarterback in the first round last year. So if you're green bay and you do resign yourself the trading and mike. What do you need to get back. Well i'm trying to try and get somebody like nick. Foles pair him with somebody. Like jordan love and let the best player play and i don't necessarily from denver. So let's say it's bradley chubb in three first round picks. I now have capital and flexibility as to from a cap standpoint. So i could go get nick. Foles or maybe. It's josh mccown type. So i don't necessarily need that from the team. Where aaron rodgers going but make no mistake about. This is a good football team. It would be reckless to them just to say. Hey we're gonna go with jordan love and never looked back. So i will get that veteran quarterback at pair him with jordan love. Go ahead diana. Yeah mike wha what makes you think that the packers love jordan love. They drafted him. We don't know how they feel about them. We don't if they think he's actually the future. I think we need to keep that in mind. As we know from rob demovsky reporting he had no plans to be playing in. Twenty twenty one. Which tells you where he is. Eighty his growth. It sounds like the packers wouldn't be very comfortable and ready to roll out loud just yet so they need a backup plan so it may look quite. They have one but in reality really don't roll. That's a fastnet whole other fascinating thing if the guy that they drafted that basically makes rogers leave isn't going to be their quarterback of the future and that's one of the great disasters of all time. David pollack you gave us a tease an hour ago and we never i never got back to it. You said you had a team in mind that you thought would make a lot of sense. I'm dying here it first of all. Amen greenie like if you. You're the reason you're sitting here because the reason you're sitting here you're drafted jordan love and you don't love jordan love and he's not the guy your future like. Wow that green bay. I'm sorry i'm sorry for your leadership there. If that's the case listen how does this not make perfect sense. And if everything in a big if but the shawn watson with the texans. He's very unhappy. He wants out. He's a great quarterback. Aaron rodgers is a great quarterback. He wants out. How could we make this work. I think we can. I think they can make this work and both get what they want and be really happy but obviously there's the off the field stuff but man. The texans in green bay would make a ton of sense to me. If i'm if. I'm if i'm the texans green bay could be to your point. There's there's so much stuff to be. Worked through with sean. Before anything like that could even be discussed. And they did draft a quarterback over the weekend davis mills. Whether that's relevant in this or not. Marcus i'm giving you the floor and the packers drafted jordan here. There's a lot to this. What do you think right now. Swaggie the i'm thinking this this thing on listen. Denver is a is a perfect place in instead of talking about nick foles. Didn't they just get teddy bridgewater. If you're looking for a quarterback no pun intended and you don't feel like jordan love is the guy hideous play well teddy has been solid starter in the nfl. Until you figure out what your future's going to look like even drawing love if we're talking about denver being one of those teams and a young quarterback drew lock. I put both of them in there. Another team that i thought about was the new orleans saints. I will put tasting meal and james winston on notice and tell them look man if if if we need to send you guys the green bay to get aaron rodgers. That's what we're going to do. I'm thinking about rosters that are close to being super bowl. Contenders are air rodgers away from being in the super bowl to places that i would think of but if you think about the move deborah denver just may to get the bridgewater. I would absolutely have him in. That package of denver is going to be aggressive about trying to get air. Raja's go ahead. Diana mark mark long saints theory. That was actually my favorite team. When i first started hearing about this rogers thing i called around this is happening. They're not going to trade him to an nfc because my thought was hey seattle switch it up. Send russ there said rogers to seattle. Everyone's happy russ was a little miserable right and look russell's protection shooting green bay errands. Got all the weapons and the world's in seattle could be perfect right so we could see gerald and come up with all the different theories but the reality is the team that sandy out in terms of having the ability to get this done at this point in early may continues to be the denver broncos. So we'll say june warhead. Mike tannenbaum to one other thing that there's noting here is ever. Rogers has a no trade clause because one hundred percents trays that are made in the. Nfl has a condition. Player has to report and pass a physical. If aaron rodgers doesn't report so let's say green bay works out of trade with the saints or the broncos for whatever reason he doesn't want to go there the trade doesn't happen so a very meaningful part of this dynamic is whereas aaron rodgers wanna go and that's where in a weird way. The packers rodgers are actually partners and trying to get the best deal done for both each respect. The party. it's an important point. Go ahead marcus. What what. I was gonna say go. Okay no problem for research to you. And i will say this to you. Can you guys tell me if you agree with us or not. Every team in the nfl. With maybe three or four exceptions is a contender with aaron rodgers. You put aaron rodgers on practically any team in the national football league and that team has a chance to win a championship. That's good he is all this talk about how good the green bay packers are. Because they've won twenty six regular season games the last two years. Let's see how many games they would have won with. An average quarterback. Aaron rodgers elevates. Everyone and everything i would. I would argue right now. Marcus beers that you put aaron rodgers on practically any team in the nfl and they're a contender immediately. No doubt g but you got to look at the other side of the ball. Iraj should be looking at defense is more than offenses. He no he. He knows he can raise the level of whatever offensive unit. he becomes supportive. He needs to look at the other side of the football. 'cause you know who did that. Damn tom brady. That's why he's so damn smart for picking sample because he acknowledged the fact that. I got a defense similar to a lot of the defenses that i had in new england that can help me win a super bowl. I'm gonna get all the credit for it and rightfully so. I deserve a lot of it. I'm talking about tom brady. But he looked at the opposite side of the football and being a defensive guy. Sitting here on this panel err rogers and the reason why denver is one of those teams. Because you look at that defensive side of the football and what fans banjo is doing and you say yourself. Even if air arrives is not. Mvp level even if he's just a normal air raja's that defense is good enough to carry us for three or four games and air robson's is going to be raja's that's what he needs to be focused on offensively. He knows he can raise the level of every team. I have to leave it there. A man. I have to take a break lasting. I want to do but it is a short time out. We'll come back with you can see on this day coming up the hall of famer terry bradshaw had to say about. Rogers is rogers too sensitive. That's the question we will answer it. Plus jerry jones got defensive in this draft in a big way. So why is he getting adid from one of our analysts. You'll find out as we roll on. Its get up on. Espn get up is sponsored by adt with everything. That's going on these days. Could we all use a little piece of mind for. Adt or safety. Insecurity has always been the top priority. That's why they are the leader in home security. Adt provides twenty four seven rapid response monitoring from their nine owned and operated call centers as the largest security network in the us and to keep you even safer. They're taking all the necessary precautions to help protect everyone's health including contactless installation and using extra protective sanitation procedures. Now is the perfect time. So why wait get started with. Add and get low flexible monthly payments to fit your budget when it matters most adt visit att dot com today back in as we continue to look back on the first rounder with the entire entirety. We will of the nfl draft nfc. East was busy particularly that first night. The eagles traded up with the cowboys of all teams to move up to number ten to take the heisman winner. Devante smith and the cowboys got the upgrade to their defense. They needed with the linebacker. Mike parsons who many believe was the best defensive player in the whole draft. Washington also went defense with the less known but outstanding. Jamie davis out of kentucky. He went at number. Nineteen and the giants trading down for the first time ever was their general manager. David gentleman moving back from eleven to twenty and taking wide receiver. Cadarache tony who is a playmaker with the ball in his hands so an interesting day for all four of those teams the cowboys in their totality went incredibly heavy with defense in this draft eight defensive players their most in a single draft since nineteen ninety-two they were the last team to select an offensive player in last week's draft they didn't do so until the fourth round and so matt miller our our draft insider as we bring you back into the conversation here. You were not happy with the cowboys draft. What grade did you give them. And why. I gave them a d. and not for dallas. I loved the first pick. I mean everybody looks at drafts. They scroll and they say who they the first one. I love microbursts. No disrespect to him. I think he was the second best defender in the draft. Patrick kelvin. joseph is a good player. I think what hurts. Dallas is great for me also like they got jumped twice guys. David mentioned earlier in the show. Carolina took a corner. Denver took a corner because everyone knew dallas was going to. It happened again in round two when everyone knew they were gonna draft trevan marriage to save you what happened. They got jumped again. So sometimes your draft great. He's when everyone knows what you're going to do and you get jumped and then around three. I thought they panicked with the three defensive players. They drafted around three. Who were all day three or later players on my big board so marcus knowing that you disagree overall they got. Because i can't see you ever grading the dallas cowboys that low in any circumstance i will change the having seen what all those nfc east teams did and it was a busy and active night for them all. There was that run of three straight. Nfc east picks in the first round and everything. Who do you think emerge the best from it. Which team do you think came out of this. The best in that division. Well gee i'm not gonna i'm not gonna let you allow me. I would have gave them a damn elf for her and mike nolan as the defensive coordinator. I could've told you that. So i ain't giving them as and bs and for everything but listen i. I believe firmly that dallas came out of this with the best draft in the best possible situation when you think of everything that has transpired even prior to the draft and i'll take people back listen. Dallas was decimated everywhere last year offensively. They lost all of their guys. Being to nucci started at quarterback for the cowboys there were four offensive lamb without a rep that had the start and try to block the washington football team in the second game of that season where they got blasted so this is not excuses if any team loses their often too bland. Any team has the catastrophic things happen to them from from an offensive standpoint. They struggle obviously. And then you look at the defense inside of football. And i'm interested to hear dp talked about this going back to a four three. The mortgage laura's didn't all of a sudden forget how to play football. A lot of these guys were so badly out of position so badly with not understanding what the scheme gap and physicality of the defense that they were playing at times. I looked at dallas on film last year. Getting ready to talk about them the next day. These dudes had no clue about fits and how to properly even play defense let alone not being physical enough to stand up to it. I believe they're going to be markedly better from a scheme change. That is back. Hopefully this offense of last as healthy and that's why have them number one in the nfc's so david let me put it to you that way. They have the new defensive coordinator and dan quinn. They have all the players they just brought in some of them matt likes and some of them not so much. Do you believe the cowboys did enough to make themselves the contender. That all of their fans seem to think they are contender. Yes i'm not ready to put them winning the division. But i definitely think. Listen you just brought it. I think a lot of people did not have mike. Parsons one on their board that it was two or three in the top defensive players. He's the best defensive the most impactful defensive player in the draft period. You throw him into the mix. I think right away. You're talking about a guy that can rush the passer that can they can cover in space like nobody's business running a four three. He's just he's a ridiculous plug and play player. There is no need for development. Right away your defense. Got so much better. Just right off the jump. So djibril cox again is a really good player. But dan. quinn will change the philosophy. Dan will be more of a bend but don't break in. This defense will take enormous strides in the opposite directions. But i also think you got to take into account dak still coming off of a major injury. This is going to take time. I think mall offensively to get them back to being a juggernaut once he gets his feet wet and getting rid of look we all know the cowboy fans they draft eight defensive plays in avenue coordinator super bowl or bust in big d. That's all we're going to hear on twitter between now and the super bowl. I hold on guys. I'm coming back to you in a little bit but let me get to the action on the courts. Last night we had some stuff last night. Let me get to the superhero of the night. He wears the s. His name is steph curry and he was spectacular. The marvel arena of heroes taking place in new orleans. Jumbotron as steph curry put on the superhero performance of the night warriors. Up seventeen already in the first quarter. And look at steph working on zion matchup for anybody seventeen in the first for steph curry earlier. The third now warriors are up by ten. Oh eric bledsoe is down and steph. Curry is up. He was unstoppable. He's had a bunch of these nights this year where he just cannot be stopped. This was another later in the third step back contested three. That's only a good shot for him. He scored fifteen in the third fourth quarter. Now or is there up by fifteen. It's curry again. He loses ion again steph. Curry scored forty one knocked down. Eight threes at at eight assists and the warriors went at one. Twenty three one. Oh wait and after that barrage last night steph has two hundred ninety nine threes on the season time for the fifth most in a single season ever there have been four instances of a player with over three hundred threes in a season staff is accounted for three of those four and with his next. He will do it again. Speaking of great performances. Did you see russell westbrook last night. Have you been paying attention to what. This guy's doing. Wizards pacers westbrook spectacular first-quarter wizards up by four westbrook. It's a rope to bradley. Beal was up six just over three and a half to go now westbrook. What's this past rebound. Send it up the floor to again. Westbrook had fourteen and twelve rebounds at halftime. Early third wizards up eighty five sixty nine. This time we're going to keep it himself. Look good in power. That's his thirty second. Triple double on the season and then with this dish to beal here. Which is an assist westbrook. Clinches triple double for the season it'll be the fourth time he reaches that mark and then here's another russell. Westbrook would finish this night with fourteen points. Twenty four assists twenty one rebounds big win washington oscar. Robertson is the only other player in nba history to average a triple double for a season even once also westbrook second career game with twenty boards and twenty assists. That has been done three times in league history. Two of those now have come from russell westbrook all right as we continue. The east could be a beast in five years. Which are these. Young sons will be the best. That's the question. We'll have the answer as we get up with you on espn. Hey there. Julie foudy from the podcast. Laughter permitted in. We've teamed up with ally from day. One of our podcast. My co-host lintels. Our our loyal ally customers and the reason is simple. Ally wants to help you save your money. Well so you can grow it well and spend it well on whatever matters to you most gills. I value the peace of mind. I get by saving for the future or perhaps saving up for a trip. Somewhere anywhere please. Yeah that sounds good to if it matters to you matters to ally and that's why they are committed to helping you do right by your money to get started visit. Allied dot com to learn more. We are back. And here's the deal. The afc east is loaded with young quarterback talent most notably at this point. Of course buffalo's josh. Allen threw for over forty five hundred yard last year had the third best. Qbr in the league then. Of course there is to a who had an up and down first season but has now reunited with alabama teammate. Jalen waddell and has fully healthy off season. we'll see how he develops. The new york jets are hoping they have found their quarterback of the future when they took. Byu zach ruleson second overall. He was the first quarterback jets have taken in the top. Two picks since. Joe namath in nineteen sixty five and the patriots take mack jones at number fifteen in the draft and he had by a lot of standards of measure the best season in college football history last year and so does bring up a pretty interesting question. These guys are all young. The oldest named is twenty four years old so the question is five years from now we all. We all accept it right this minute. Josh allen is the best of that group but five years from now. Paul which team will have the best quarterback in the afc east. Josh allen. Love i love this division. I love all the guys and we could go through but the biggest difference for me is josh allen. Six five two hundred forty pounds. I mean he is a big strong durable athlete. You've seen him run the football. But i think the biggest thing is i worry about to that wilson. I know they can spin it. I know they're great players. You worry about their durability. They've shown that throughout their career. I don't worry about that with josh allen at all. I think he's a superstar. Obviously you've seen that last year. He was in the in the mvp race late in the season but to me this difference between them when i look at all of them. It's just the durability and size. The josh allen has trust in his health or do you think mark is. I'm the same and i. I hate that. We gotta be bored. Because i would love to pick one of these other guys. But as much as people talk about josh allen athleticism he's a hell of a thrower other football man. Like the velocity. The ball placement visibility to improv. Obviously comes with athleticism. But i'm just talking purely from a quarterback standpoint the leaps and bounds with brandon boy as offense and coordinator throwing the football because we were never we were never down. Oh josh allen about his athleticism we were down on him about his decision making and being able to put the football where it needed needed to be. He showed that this and if that continues which i believe they will. Because you learn and you figure out play in this league at a very high level healtcare torch for the quarterbacks and afc's when you think about it. if you add up the ages of max. jones. And zack wilson. They're younger. Tom brady who owned this division. For basically than who's the gm two different stops in the afc east. What do you think five years from now. Who's future you betting on everybody that greeny ironically on take with david pollock said and switch it just a little bit. We have to get used to say can they withstand the rigors of a seventeen game regular season. The one element of josh allens game that gives me concern would be. He doesn't make people miss. He's big he's strong. He s- past. But i think he's going to have a lot of high contact collisions. And because of it. I'm gonna go with zach wilson. I think zack wilson has a little bit more short area quickness. Some more loose. This i think he has a great ceiling as well. Look we take josh allen today. He had an unbelievable year but over the next five years i would be concerned. That josh allen may wear down over a seventeen game regular season. I liked the song. You're singing mike words but i like it a lot polly goes you see the other side of that. Coin is mike. What is what is what is what is your voice struggle within. I mean in in college. Zack wilson struggle with staying healthy. He's also slightly build. So i agree. Twitchy fun to watch can create but the his struggle has been durability and to talk about loa durability of this littler guys taken punishment. So they're gonna play those that extra game to tim or mike. They're going to play those games and see how they hold up swagger go. That's why. Because i know mike t and i thought it was important to reiterate josh allen operated at a very high level from the pocket. That's why i put so much emphasis on that. When i talked about these quarterbacks because yeah that is a concern for a lot of these guys especially a guy like josh you saw him turn to his legs in indianapolis in the playoff game and that offense starts to generate with his athleticism but always say this year. You and i've had this if players can throw and operate from the pocket. The athleticism is the advantage. That takes you over the top if athleticism. I never develop that part you game. We will see you injured and a short and career. But i believe josh allen developed enough from the pocket for me to feel comfortable to say that he will continue to do so and operate from nepal kit in a high level as which against mortgage. Are you taking to. Or zack wilson. I'm taking. I'm taking to a man. I'm taking tour. I'm not out to it yet. I believe all of the things we said about. Zack wilson. we reiterated and say it a million times about tour as well especially from throwing the football. How impressive years. I think everyone wants breakout session. Go ahead my real quick final word. Go yeah i. I agree with david. Pollock said about zack wilson today. But i'm betting on his character. I think he's gonna get bigger and stronger. Just he'll have the most durability of the core backs we discussed we shall see. Everybody wants in on this conversation. And i'm inviting you in on the conversation because i put the poll question up on twitter. It's the those four guys. They're all super young and the question is which of them will be. The best quarterback in the afc east can go to my twitter. Page at espn greenie. Castro vote and we will check in on that later in this show. Keep it up through the radio show as well meanwhile to the nba last night. And it's a big game. Lakers nuggets one. La needs in. they're playing with. Anthony davis against nicole yokich. No lebron yokich. His team is down early down by fourteen in the fourth quarter. But he's not giving us knocked that one down then under four minutes to go. It's an eight point game and he's working hard inside. Look at footwork. And the left hand he would score thirty two. It's a six point game. Two minutes ago nuggets down by four. It's mukunda composite kicking it out to michael porter. Jr. he makes the three. But hold on the offense afoul. He can't believe it a little laugh after the plate. Less than a minute remaining lakers up by two. Anthony davis in the lane. Yes he's pump. He'd scored twenty five lakers up for less than thirty seconds ago. Two point game. Taylor horton tucker tough shot. No but it gets it back another tough shot this time. Yes like is up by four fifteen seconds left nuggets down by four looking for three that's composite but we're going to close out. Anthony davis. Oh the defense from a d. That's a big stop that they get that they need and they win ninety three eighty nine. That is a big game for the lakers are trying to keep themselves out of that play in tournament. The remaining schedule though is tough. A huge one coming up friday when they travel the portland. The face the trailblazers currently one game ahead of portland for that. Seven spot to keep out of the play in tournaments speaking of which. Let's go back to sunday. When the bron james said this we end up at six or v or whatever the case may be over we end up in a playoff. Whatever that thing is whoever came up there need to be fired but whatever our friend frank sola tweeted the following an reaction he tweeted great thing about player empowerment is you're never held accountable like agreeing to a play in then calling for someone to be fired because of it. Similar to why making the clippers move to get pg thirteen and when it fails doc fired. That's power interesting way to look at it. There's no one more interesting to talk to the my buddy j. will across the hall from k. j. z. On espn radio. Let's just start with. I mean lebron saying what he said there about you know. Fire the guy who came up with the in tournament seems to bother him only when he realised his team might wind up in it. What is your reaction. He's thirty six. he's thirty six. He's thirty six. He's chasing a championship and look what happened last year. When the brown was fully healthy with the fully healthy team is a different situation for this year. Sure people are going to be off about it. People are going to be angry about it. Saying course ron. You're just flocking with the win. This is trying to win championships. Greenie what do we do every single day on this show. We compare them. Who's the greatest of all time. Yours is michael. Jordan misers lebron james mines. Mine's is not a word. Mine is lebron james. Lebron james is they would go through everything. He's that with this year and then beat brooklyn in a championship. Game with kyrie james harden. You can't tell me that. Lebron james is going to be one of the best players of all time if not degraded. So that's not debatable. But let's go to the point of it here. Which is this idea that you know the plane tournament. I love the play love. It is serving its purpose. So why is lebron saying that whoever thought of it should be fired. He's thirty x thirty. He's mentioning that because he's so younger so old olery playing basketball every single day back to back games every lebron james show you i know. His name is not going to be an. Mvp conversation greenie. But how valuable is he to this team. We saw them beat the nuggets last night. Fine without the new shorter a plate. Well but lebron. James needs to be at hall of fame level in order for this team to win a world championship. Look i think they're going to be fine. Lebron james sometimes gets in his bag of emotions. Actually playing tournament can help them if they get there an extra game or to get the get the pedals greased up before. He goes into the playoffs but he's thirty six years so the less wear and tear on how my body the better for me. I get it and so bottom line. Let me just sort of finish it with this. Quick thought if they are healthy if lebron ad are fine and recruiter was should come back whatever. The protocol situation is if they are basically whole and healthy going into the playoffs. Do they remain in your opinion. The clear cut favorite in the western conference in western conference. Yes yes they are clear. Favourite and utah. Or you're phoenix. You're telling me you want to see. The los angeles lakers at the seven or eight c spot. You're kidding me get out of here. They're still not my favorite to win the whole thing. Even though these guys who only played seven games together. Katie james kyrie. Those will still be my favorites to win. The whole thing is going to be a lot of fun to watch and there's nothing more ready. How hold us back. Then how do you not old enough younger than me. That's darn sure the j. k. j. z. Coast to coast every morning on. Espn radio thank jay. You gotta brother all right as we roll on coming up. Marcus spears. We'll tell you why. Aaron rodgers coach in green bay needs to camp out day and night at his quarterback sacks it swagger sets and its next. Do you own or rent your home. Share you and i bet it can be hard work you know. It's easy bundling policies with geico. Geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy visit. Geico dot com today. That's geico dot com. What the swagger say. Do you know what i say. I say daniel jones is a gangster. Angie look at me. i'm already a bee's so we just going to be beastie. I call you broke yes. Ima pro ukraine s. Not exactly how. I meant for this to go take that smoking. This is where you will hear people say things. Marcus fears. tell you what it is. They really mean here. We go swaggie. We begin with matt. Leflore the coach of the packers. Who had this to say about the idea of aaron rodgers. Potentially leaving green bay. I can't even take my brain to that. That spot right now so I just want to do everything in my power to ensure that that doesn't happen. I can't fathom not not being in green bay and i love working with him on a daily basis. I think we all do from the players in that locker room to the coaching staff and I again. I don't i don't even want to let my mind go there. That's what the coach said. What the swagger say simple as zia cannot fathom having the reintroduce myself as a head coach in the nfl. It's ironic that all of these guys that become these such great coaches. They have a damn hall of famer at quarterback matt floor needs to be irate about the possibility of air. Raja's not coming but he can't fathom it because he's had actually have to coach some quarterback and we figure out if he can really to that era's makes you look damn good so matt lafleur cannot fathom having actually coached the green bay packers beyond what aaron rodgers can do. Absolutely our next stop is another coach with another quarterback situation. This one is matt nagy in chicago. Who had this to say about when justin fields will start this season. Here's what he sat. It's our job to develop him. And i think that's probably the biggest thing that we've taken into. This thing is there is there will be a plan with justin and and with With with andy. And with nick and just how we go about this. When the time is right. I promise you. Every single person will know Including justin when it's the right time and that's nationally how it happens. That's what the coach said. What does the swagger say. Andy dalton. Nick foles rex. Grossman jim mcmahon quarterbacks ever suited up mitchell trubisky. They know damn well gonna start week one. That's what matt nagy and saying. I'm just telling. Everybody did. Because i got and say a bunch of words when i drafted him eleven especially the trade up to get him. He was going to be one starter. That's basically all med negga had to say he has to go through all that other stuff here. Exactly right you left out. Sid luchman if you wanna go all the way back and bears back to okay next up because everyone knows why. Go love the hoops. This one is lebron james. Who had this to say about the lakers. Potentially ending up in the play in tournament. Listen to we ended up at six. Or whatever the case may be over we end up in the playoff Whatever that thing is whoever came up there needs to be fired but whatever. So that's what the browns said what does swagger sack broad uninterrupted. This all all your great business ventures that you started. Uk fire no doubt body. And they'll be about the playing game y'all wanted to sit out not specifically because you play a lot but a lot of stored what to sit out so the nba had to figure out a way how to incentivize these players during the regular season and get into the playoffs so no the brunt nobody should be fire because all the money that you make him from the nba is because all these games are being put on. That's exactly right. And it makes the other ones matter. I could not possibly agree with swagger more. Meanwhile this is something we've never done before we're doing one that we're going to call swag sees. Okay marcus i want you to check out this interaction but in philadelphia between the general manager howie rosement and senior food foodball advisor. Tom donahoe after phillies. Its third round. Pick on louisiana. Tech defensive lineman william what's swag who sees what. Cg is when i tell my wife i wanna burgoyne. She bring me some of that day. I'm impossible meat. Or something. And i gotta act like i'm okay with it because she my wife. So that's all he was doing. How how we is in a position of power as the general manager. So i got adapt. Y'all but i'm adapt the off. No damn well. I wanted one hundred percent beef koby matter of fact and you brought in possible. Now i got this in there. I do like impossible burgers. But i could imagine my reaction if i didn't and she brought me a impossible when i asked for real beef. Yeah that's very well done. I remember one time. My son bid into great tomato thinking it was an actual grape. And the look on his face he was like three years old. That's the way that guy looked standing there. Outstanding loves run the hurry up. We got news around the nfl. We got diana rossini here. We got julio jones off the top so much marriage counseling on this show. This is why it ruined should be cuny. It sports love. We do it all here here on. Hurry up let's start with. Julio jones right so you heard the rumors right before the draft atlanta possibly open to treat him. I'm told they're they're open. This is and received the right amount for julia right so he's got one year left on his deal thirty years old. He's dealt with injuries. Just gonna sit tight for the right price to come across their table and again we love that june first day look for things to heat up probably around one once again so some gossip and fodder until we can get there. We've been talking. Aaron rodgers all day long on the show and we know about the adams put up a little bit of that cryptic tweet yesterday and then it had me thinking greenie. What's up with his contract. Well he's up for an extension. And i was told us back. Those big want to get it done. But nothing's been done yet so you got to wonder. Maybe bob adams was sitting back starting to say not sure what i want to do here. And we know that the relieffactor you don't wanna lock them in the open market teams are gonna kinda grab atom meantime. Yesterday was the expiration for the fifth year option to get picked up. We know baker mayfield. Sam darnold they were all picked up on their fifth year option for the twenty eighteen draft yesterday. Three players declawed shot evans. Terrell edmonds were penny all decline their fifth year options. You gotta figure some of these organizations just don't want to pay that price and perhaps maybe move on these are all such fascinating things to watch the. Nfl off season just never goes away. By the way the professional fighters league regular season rolls on this thursday night with the heavyweights and women's lightweights at seven eastern on. Espn espn two. This and the espn app coverage of the undercard begins five thirty eastern on espn plus to get espn plus go to espn dot com or download. The espn app gumming up. Did you hear once. 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Westbrook's resume and is. Chris paul the mvp stephen eight max and molly debating that and more. They're coming up a little more than three minutes from now here on. Espn meanwhile quick check of the poll. I asked to. We'll be the best. Afc quarterback in five years. I was afraid this might be a little too obvious. And that is the direction. It goes everybody riding josh allen. We'll talk about it. Further on the radio show coming up in just a few minutes. Meanwhile in case you missed it. Aaron rodgers want out of greenbacks. Rogers played sixteen seasons for the packers tied with brett. Farve in bart star for the most in franchise history. Well yesterday steelers legend. Terry bradshaw had this to say in an interview with wfan's mussa nagging him. Being that upset shows just how weak he is who the hell cares who draft. I mean i know is the three time. Mvp in the league and he's worried about this guy. They drafted last year at number one fascinating. Just how weak he is is the choice of words and then you throw in warren moon. The other day saying that he thinks aaron rodgers is being sensitive. David pollock is aaron rodgers. Being sensitive and week. We'll quarterback is insensitive quarterback isn't solved nowadays like dude. If you get near tom brady's legs. Oh my god you'd think he'd been shot like he's gonna look into. He's going to look at the rest right away. Like that's a flag. He almost touched my lay almost a knee. I mean quarterbacks. That's that's what they all are. They all they're all whiny and that's just the way it is so i. I don't think that's a news flash. But i think i think the tone which terry bradshaw us saying you week. It's just it's the get off my lawn as you get older. I guess. I guess we're gonna turn into that too. You know being marcus as we get older to get up the greenies agent terry bradshaw's age. That's what's going to happen. I guess. I watch terry bradshaw as a child. But that's it right away. A greedy is talk. Look forty two. I'm actually seventy one all right. I've lost track of too sensitive. No man i think this is more than just. The joy love draft this overtime. I've listened to people now. I don't agree with aaron. Rodgers stands on it. And i don't think you you mentioned dad. I wasn't too thrilled with draft because something in that regard but no. It's not sensitive this communication. You understand now that these players evolving man they know more about the business structure. They know more about the model. They want to control their future. So it's not being sensitive is saying listen. You had a plan. But i have a plan and i wanted to play before you do. Diana said it a couple that wants to counseling. That's what they are in as the only twenty five year old on this show. I can tell you that. This is mary not going to work out. So that's my youth speed complain about the vast we are don say tomorrow. I ache now. Do you own or rent your home show you do. 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Chiefs/Texans Preview

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Chiefs/Texans Preview

"Surfaced Gerald here, as a football pro, I've seen some wild fantasy football superstitions but you don't he look you just need IBM Watson is the I in the ESPN fantasy APP analyzing millions of sources to give you insights on players and trades visit IBM dot com slash fantasy football. What's up everybody and welcome to NFL live tomorrow the twenty twenty NFL season begins. If you can't tell really excited about Dan or Lobski was just dancing but you missed it marcus spirits is still dancing or so glad that you're with a swag. Hey, we're gonNA hear from Baker Mayfield later on in the show keyshawn Johnson is here as well and we're going to begin this thing right with Adam Schefter Jalen Ramsey got paid today shefty give us the latest. Laura Five, hundred, five, million dollar extension. The first time a defensive back in the NFL ever has been paid over one hundred million dollars contract. Jalen Ramsey finally gets the big deal that he's wanted all along and one of the reasons that Jacksonville sent them to L. A.. Rewarded him today meanwhile, Alvin Kamara continues to wait for his deal. Nothing has changed again, the two sides are optimistic. They will be able to work out this deal waiting to see if and when they can get that done that would make America one of the highest paid running backs and all of football, and within the last hour brock was a coach Vic. fangio addressed the injury that von Miller suffered on the very last play of practice. Yesterday he said he thinks you will have surgery they will placement IRR. He's not ruling out for the season, but he thinks that this defense is good enough to overcome the loss of the great von Miller shefty with us all day long as we said, one day till kickoff. City and the Houston. Texans that begins the season. Last time we saw Patrick mahomes football action. He was winning the Super Bowl and being named MVP. Since then we signed a four hundred and fifteen million dollar deal the chiefs inked Chris, Jones and Travis Kelsey. Trying to set up a dynasty. It seems you wonder how much pressure mahomes and the chiefs may feel but it's no secret that he some sort of Unicorn and you can't really be stuck. Here's an idea though of how you might be able to stop him three of the five teams with the highest with percentage against Mahomes last season left with the victory and the chiefs only other loss on the Year came week eight when Matt Moore was under Center at Checkout Baltimore they absolutely since the house, the VP something to monitor in week three's Monday night football matchup yesterday dinner Lonski told us that the Texans will be in man but how can that give them some hope some flaws what should we look out for their with how they spend my home? So that graphic about the pressures and a lot of time they played men coverage behind it. But when the Texans play men, they have to know how that offense is going to try to attack that man coverage. First of all, you're going to see a bad play where this safeties covering this tale black tailback Coverage have your antennas up those guys earn splits for certain reason their job is to basically create traffic to you. You go underneath that pick. That's exactly what the chiefs want you to do. This now creates basically an uncovered receiver coming out of the Backfield and easy throw for this offense in create a huge play strictly because you didn't understand how you're going to get attacked. Let's see two examples of well done lime background the tailback amendment coverage you see that split again has an understanding of what's going to be the attack number one you have to go over the top of these. Picks Watch. The great job by Cunningham play top of that tied in worst case scenario. Now, you at least have a chance to talk to make a tackle and open-field space. Second example again, linebacker on Clyde ever delivered type of player. He's see the trips top. The second thing you have to do is have vision on those guys out the outside. A void contact is a linebacker, and then that forces mahomes to have a different option, maybe check down for much easier throw P- understand when you're in man coverage, you're going to get attacked him in coverage. The picks are coming play over. The top and then had vision to those picks to avoid contact as you play over the top Dan and you look for madman coverage disruption you have to put your hands on receivers at the line of scrimmage. Think back to win they beat the Houston Texas and I mean they beat the Kansas City chiefs they took care business. They made sure the one of the things I was going to be on the hip pocket at all times disrupted at the line of Scrimmage Jalen Ramsey hands tyreek game over set match here you are in game against the Jacksonville Jaguars. Said Met San Francisco. Forty niners said match over with. So whenever you do that, as you know is a quarterback, the quarterback now has the Cock recip- find another receiver body in the defense align is up on you completely agree and that's why when you're doing that hands on Jayjay off those pass rushers gotta get home. All right. We'll see exactly how they try to approach this and let's get marcus spears involved in this as well to keyshawn point the Texans have beat the chiefs it happened last season of course that time so marcus, what would you do if you're trying to approach this from a defensive standpoint? One or two days ails is played at numbers. Obviously, we showed the graphic of what happens when you get after. Pat Mahomes send one more than they can block, but I'm also a big believer in the fact that you have to be able to rush with four and commit seven, the coverage, Dan. Just told us all about those pick routes and making plays. In getting over the top, but to me the kids tackling as well like that's one of the things defensively that the league is trying to do. But especially, the Kansas City chiefs with Patrick mahomes the reason everybody's excited about clad. It was hilarious because when he was at Lsu and he was in space, it was almost four no conclusion that he was gonna make the first man miss or break the first tackle something Texans have the be great tacklers of space they have to. Make sure they get guys on the ground to live to play another down you may give up some big plays which quite frankly is going to happen when you play against Patrick Mahomes in the Kansas City chiefs get people on the ground to land up again and live to fight another play, which is going to be keys speaking of those linebackers making those places pace you talk to some SEC defenders about Clyde. Edwards hilarious they all said, he was the toughest one to bring. Down when you think about what he can bring to this offense I think that's something to be really excited about and key when you look at what Patrick Mahomes and the pressure might be on him and on this entire offense everyone's acting like they're just gonNa run away with this first game even F. B.. I.. Says that'll be the case a ten point deficit according to the FBI predictions, but is it going to be that easy for them? You know it it could be. But I don't think it is when you look at Kansas City you look at the things they can do from an offensive standpoint very explosive. They could strike quick fast in a hurry but the Houston Texas aren't going to go anywhere I. think that when you look at the way that they played them in that first game in a regular things as opposed to the second half of the postseason when they hung fifty one points on talking about two different teams at that juncture. Listen key brings up the week six game. First of all, they beat the chiefs -secutive on that game they dropped. Passes they. Drug three touchdown passes I think there's this like this. We have to put a respect on Houston. They were also up what twenty one, twenty, two. Twenty nine postseason game when they decide to kick the field goal. So I don't see this as a game at all they've got one of the top five players football and does Shawn Watson. So I think this is going to be a really really good football game and I don't see Kansas City running away with the interesting thing though is how much will they really truly missed the Andre Hopkins these Zona would big pockets now. So got to worry about that a little bit. Let's get back to Adam Schefter the injuries to watch tomorrow night in this chiefs Texans game there are some key players who may not be healthy Adam what do you know starting with Brandin cooks? Laura is listed on the Texans Injury report is questionable with a quad injury. He was limited in practice. I. Think the sense is they're cautiously optimistic that brandin cooks will be able to be out there for the regular season opener against the chiefs as they try to replace the Andre Hopkins Cooks is one of the people they were county on has been nursing that quad injury that limited his practice time I think right now. The quite sense he's he'll go but they WANNA make sure Travis Kelsey started the week not practicing some Doodoo some knee stiffness of pain. But when the chiefs sent out their injury report later today, he was not even listed on it, which means all players are all systems go for the regular season opener tomorrow night against the Texans. Yeah. Hard to imagine any of these guys missing this game if they can all help it. Fan Jimmy Garoppolo here to remind you that NFL Sunday ticket dot TV let you stream live out of market games. 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Former steeler Ryan shazier officially announced his retirement today he suffered a devastating spinal cord injury in two thousand seventeen has remained a part of the steelers organization on the reserve retired list since he's fought. So hard hoping to play the game he loves again and he was asked today if he would let his sons play football in the future, take a listen. Immobile as love enough and you WANNA play on clay on I almost feel like. Football is the reason I got hurt upon. Is more of myself while appalling should give me a little safer. Before we open up for questions, we have a few people that WanNa save you are it's Hey I'll get out of the way the second and give it to. Vince. But I just thought it was appropriate man when I think about you and your growth and development I think about you to. It's emotional to see shazier announcing his retirement marcus when you think about everything that he's been through and then through this journey is also inspired so many as a part of that as well. Yeah Warrior. Listen Sierra. Injury and then seeing them walkout during the graph on his own was one of the special moments I think that has happened in the NFL in a long time when you see the battle that he's to get back to some normalcy and then Mike Tomlin, obviously showing up for his players you hear that all across the league that might t will show up for his guys so that whole video we just witnessed was part of why. Not to get too wide open. But that's a big part of why we see Pittsburgh steelers and their football team have a lot of success. They care about each other as men and I think that's Mike. Tomlin messes two guys, and that's the reason why they can have so much success but shout out to a shady man he he did it and still doing it. Yeah, it's no secret. That he will still be a very significant part of the steelers organization. It's been a little over seven months since the forty niners watch the super bowl slip through their fingers. If only Jimmy G. hadn't misdemeanor will sanders deep. If only vaunted San Francisco Defense Hatton been able to hold strong against Patrick Mahomes. Still it is a new season and Jimmy G. spoke about that earlier today take a listen. It. was a good stepping-stone especially comeback back from the ACL injury? First full season as the starter and I think. It's a step in the right direction, and now this season just got you know keep it rolling. So it's It's one of those things can't think about too much can't get caught up in it, but it's I. It's always in the back of your mind. All right look I'll preface this by saying that Jimmy? G.. Has Only had twenty six starts I. think that's important when you talk about him but Dan let's get right to it. Let's say it's the playoffs. The game is on the line. It's a four point game in the fourth quarter it's third and sixty a trust Jimmy G. to get you the win in that moment not until you can like not until he gets back into that moment that he wasn't a super bowl in proves on the guy that can make these throat because there's those three throws late in the super bowl in the fourth quarter, he just misses those three guys and that's this is the question isn't Like is Jimmy good enough the question is, will he actually do it because when we're talking about San Francisco, it's like these are bona fide. This is a bona fide super bowl football team, and in the moment where they needed that quarterback to be the reason they won the football game he didn't get it done and that is just a haunting kind of thought process because we've seen athletes crumbled to moments like that before never become back what they were, and if you're thinking about the forty niners, a super bowl team I, look at Kansas City Baltimore Tampa Bay New Orleans Pittsburgh Philly, Dallas Seattle Tennessee also super bowl contenders. I'll take all their quarterbacks in that moment before Jimmy G.. We think. I'm stuck right because. When you look at it, you say to yourself. He led his team to the Super Bowl. He missed some throws in the super bowl but yet, and still it's about their defense. It's about those guys up front Bozo Armstead. It's about the back end with with Richard Sherman, those guys wheezing that they got to the super bowl to begin with. It's up to Kyle Shanahan and put him in the right situation is at the right time not have him throw the ball, fifty times a game, not forty times a game do what you do best run the football and play Defense John Lynch's philosophy. This is how this team bill now could he be one of the top ten quarterbacks in the NFL? No because it's not years but you can't blame him or say that he can't make a throw at the end of the game because he missed one, you can't do that. Don't miss to he missed three. Okay. So giving three. Listen. Just you can I you can't say that and we should he's paid to be one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL it might be overpaid. Here's the thing they got off painting top to run game top two defense top to play call in the NFL. It's there for you to go get that done. All right. Well, let me jump in here. Really Facet Marcus I WANNA get your opinion on this when you think about it from the perspective of his teammate as you have your finger held in the air, you're back in that situation where the Games on the line to you as a team trust him. No not right now but I need keyshawn Johnson, the answer, the question do you trust Jimmy thank you in that situation I. Do I do trustee Marcus because I believe that he could deliver especially if he throwing the ball to to someone that could go get it like kittles I I do I honestly do I got you. With Dan. I need to see I think back to Jimmy G. and the week following the New Orleans Saints Game I said Jimmy G. showed me some things that I didn't know about him big plays big throws getting the ball to kill the seal that game and then I saw him again and takes Dan immediately last year after the Seattle game and I said I think Jimmy Garoppolo scared in that moment and then you go to the Super Bowl and this all the kisha you are the only super bowl champion own this panel Jimmy G. gotta hit that throws that changes Your whole narrative, the history about who you are as a quarterback, and that's what we're talking about right now. So do it I. Don't trust me do this whole thing such a brain buster because he think about it, you gotta put the ball in his hands to be able to make these plays but maybe you don't want to put it in his hands because maybe to your point, the identity is completely different anyway and they should be relying on that either way we'll see what happens if they end up back in the super bowl again or the playoffs for that matter. Breaking news right now on NFL Live Adam Schefter. What's going on in Minnesota Bollore moments ago the Minnesota Vikings place their defensive end to Neil Hunter on injured reserve which means he must miss a minimum of three games which means he's out for September the soonest he. is in October against Houston and that acquisition of Janaka, in God way now looms larger than ever before hunter injured himself midway through August he will not play this Sunday. He will miss a minimum of three games and they'll be up to the other vikings to try to replace him. Yeah. Their first game against the packers that already seemed so significant when you hear that news mark the, let you go first what's the first thing that comes to mind? Is these one of the most underrated pass rushes off to am what Mike Zimmer likes to do defensively and at four three one hundred. Perfect. Thank goodness for the trae because then you'd be devoid of to pass. On either side, it's tough to hear Neil hopefully, the new rules would our he can come back I think about this though as before I pass the ball, they played Green Bay a divisional game where you need guys to get after the PASA. jalen holds his backup don't have to step up. This is a big loss for the Vikings Echo you say this enormous I was going to take Minnesota to win this game, and now I will take green bay think about it like as an offensive person, the play call. Right now, Matt Leflore in Green Bay. I'm going okay. Now I don't have to worry about dealing with to defend defensive ends we can shift and slide in send a lot of our help to in Gaza side and this gives Aaron Rodgers as significant in the higher greater greater level of comfort. So this is a huge huge loss for Minnesota one huge loss from Minnesota, Aaron Rodgers to your point probably pretty thrilled about happy. Hey, all is though in this off season have been on New England the break-up that happened there. Was More to prove this season Tom Brady or bill. We'll be able to fill a full week of rest on one breeding is no good. If he doesn't play one that's fresh, I can't do his job and we can't do mine. Would I be successful without him? The same love looks trapped I don't believe I would have been but I feel the same vice versa as well. We played it other times without Tom, do we always do is proud of care the team the best weekend. This team makes the playoffs. It would be bill valid greatest coaching season of. Joke. Tech can't wait with his say the players are made by the system. The players don't make the system. Brady and Belichick are the only player coach duo in NFL MLB NBA Nhl History to spend twenty seasons together the to dominated with Brady making the most playoff starts in NFL history others under center for haven't fared. So well, posting a combined eighteen and nineteen record setting up one of the best story lines of the two thousand twenty season. Cam. Newton in foxborough still quarterbacks aren't everything. Sorry. Dan Orlovsky sometime for some quick reads with the most non quarterbacks important non quarterbacks week one key I. I would say it's the kill Harry from New England. If you look at the big receiver that was drafted in the first round out of Asu have limited time for games regular season. Last year twelve catches. He's got to show up and be a bit Red Zone Target Cam Newton. It offense Kinda replacing that Gronkowski doing some things there he has a big body. He's got to be able to separate quick. We don't something he struggled with in the past. How about the most important non quarterback than that packers vikings game shocking Kitaoka received from the pack twelve. I'm GONNA stay Green Bay packers wide receiver Allen Lazard in the games against Minnesota last year Davante Adams had. Twenty two, twenty, two, you had four, forty, five, I need you to step up really start to a certain herself as the number two option for Aaron, Rodgers in this offense I'm imagining Minnesota's GonNa pay a ton of attention to Davante Adams and you should have a great match of one on one got to win those consistency this consistently this weekend most important non Cuban cowboys Rams Marcus. Receive I'm. GonNa take a deep into Blattman, and arguably the best guy in the league including quarterbacks Aaron Donald Listen. So disruptive he can totally switch a game plan you have to count for him every play and remember this guy's Travis Frederick is no longer the center suing the Dallas Cowboys. Now there's Looney they have to work that interior to help everybody had the double and triple team. But when you lose all pro pro bowl, the center he. Making more problems than you can handle this rams cowboys matchup is fascinating according to FBI. It's actually the closest of all the week one games, and so we'll see how that turns out. But here's the thing about Dallas. It's always like they've got all the talent in the world and that's their story and yet maybe they don't always win the super bowl or even get there. Obviously. So Marcus, what's different about twenty twenty if this is Dallas is year. Housing anything different as far as than win the Super Bowl I think they can. But all all thirty two teams failed like that. But Dallas has a realistic shot because every year we look at the roster and say, why wouldn't they be appointed a super bowl conversation quite frankly they hadn't done it and Mike McCarthy obviously coming to make a change from Jason Garrett gared is a big reason. We say it that. Wouldn't get over the hump but I don't think this is going to happen in Mike McCarthy's first year I believe they'll be a team I believe they'll have some success to lean towards the future but as of right now talking about Dallas winning the Super Bowl I'm not on board with those conversations. Well, I don't look at the players in this situation I look at the coaching and I look Mike McCarthy, coming over. And I look at Mike Nolan the defensive coordinator. Then when you look at these situations, you got a former super bowl winning coach. Mike McCarthy you have a very, very well respected DC in Mike Nolan. I can only go off experience being being with coach Dungy a team that was ready a lot of talent. We got rid of coach Dungy Dan we bring in John Gruber. GRUDEN. Didn't set the world on fire. From an office standpoint, we tweet just enough to Kinda get us open up the defense continued to play solid and sound, and we did our job on the offense side of the ball. We heard a new voice kinda like Jason geared voice has been there for. So long the you had a young DC and Chris Short players get tired and to net out when you bring a new voice in Bam things happen instantly. A great point because I do believe in that listen, I don't think the are full. You know I this is a very talented roster I'd say this if they were to go into the playoffs and win the Super Bowl I, it makes me think of two things really one thing. As. NFL players is pro athletes and sometimes men we kind of really want to be respected and you can make the case that their quarterback Prescott does not feel respected by his organization and he's at this point where he's going to now demand respect by his play. They've given them all the tools to go out there and do it, and it makes me think of the Joe Flacco situation in Baltimore and he was in those negotiations and he's he said I deserve this money like I commander earned this money at this value and they said, no, he looked at Steve. In, the owner said I'M GONNA win a super bowl I'm gonNA. Make you pay me that money. That's the only way that I see the cowboys going to win. The Super Bowl is if their quarterback raises his level of play to a level that kind of just forces this team to go on this big playoff run because they're talented, they lost a bunch of close games last year but a deck prescot becomes a different animal and he demands the respect from Jerry Jones in that organization by play then. This team's good enough to win it. All right. They win eight and eight last season and they didn't fare as well as we thought they would keep would you say that the cowboys are GonNa make the playoffs this year win the Super Bowl and do all of that I. Don't know if they win the Super Bowl. But they certainly GonNa win the division and they're gonNA make the playoffs you you got to win the division Y'all got to win and I'll bet that WHO's going to win the Eagles I'm not getting into this conversation. But. Why do you think the cowboys could win the Super But again I think the coaching staff has changed i. also think the quarterback is extremely good. They bring in CD lamp to allow Coverage Go away from Amari Cooper you guys Zeki got a strong offense align the defenses a little bit better. They've got to fix the back into that defense but I believe Mike Nolan on the defense fry what do you think Marcus? In the day on two bucks. He. Language. Because I think they're a better team. Put me into toolbox. I gotTA. Say. Why do you think they are better team because the cost? Is there who's got the better defense eagles are the cowboys. About the same eagle for right now who's got? Who's got the better coach talking about a big degree of a big degree separation defensively. They give up a lot of points either matter of fact we weren't thinking about bringing cornerbacks out of Julia. College to come play they also. One of the best corners and football and slay hargrave is going defensive line dominant both outfits have lines have or health issues and I think quarterbacks better who? Who who got the better off? The Cowboys Eagles have a better top to bottom roster. May Give me give me one good eagle receiver jalen rigor to Sean Jackson Zach. Ertz. May I got her. To get us to something else please listen listen we will get to something else. Has, lost his bread, but we will return back to. You guys off the hook. Let's get to some news that came out today the rams and Jalen Ramsey have agreed to terms on a five year one. Million dollar extension for Marcus. Contract ever for a cornerback agent David Mulligan told our Adam Schefter Ramsey the fourth player since two thousand eighteen whom the rams have signed to a record breaking extension Steffi still with us what are some other potential extensions that we should keep an eye on them? Think about how many deals we seen in recent days Davis wide into Shawn Watson and Jalen? Ramsey Andre Hopkins and now there are still some more deals to get done before the start of the season most notably the running backs everybody's waiting on Alvin. Kamara in the saints Dow cooking the Vikings to see if either one of those. Can get done their deal before the start of the regular season and other wide receivers that have had conversations cooper cope with the Rams Kenny. Golly with the lions nothing seems close right now on either side. But as the regular season gets closer there always seems to be a rush to get deals done before the season kicks off great steps shefty everybody in here still reeling from dance comments about the eagles. Here, we are just a day away from the start of the twenty twenty NFL season on Sunday, the browns, Baker Mayfield and Lamar. Jackson. The reigning MVP will kick it off browns against the Ravens. So which Baker are we getting this year after winning the heisman and going I in the thousand eighteen draft Mayfield, set a single season rookie record with twenty seven passing touchdowns. But last season, he took the most sacks by browns quarterback since Charlie, fry in two thousand and six also through twenty one interceptions second behind only Jameis Winston perhaps, Austin. A healthy ob Jay can help in twenty twenty last year only Andy Dalton and Ryan Fitzpatrick's targets gained bless separation for throw than Mayfield. Here is talking about this year. You know. Each Other's an offense where it's a lot of accountability. GotTa be where you're supposed to be and be there on time and San goes for my reads. the Senate, the footwork feel the you know go through the reeds entrust that it. They're going to call place to. Get the people. So the reason, some of us really liked the browns going into last year had to do with some of these names, Odell Beckham Junior Jarvis, landry? Nick. Chug, Kareem Hunt Austin Hooper the list goes on and on but Dan what's the most important part of the browns offense this year nick job you can talk to about it. All you want. I love him huge huge. Baker Nick Job is the focal point of this offense they need to start run through in end with Nick Chubb I would make the argument. He's the best between the tackle runner in all the NFL I'll say it again be best between the tackle runner and all the NFL they to rely on this run game that will make this offense booth Baker Mayfield so much more dangerous than most important person on this offense for the Browns is nick job it it certainly a piece Dan, but he is not the piece two pieces, the head coach, presumably the offense coordinator who should be calling plays when you look at Kevin Sanski. Off Season that he might hand the reins over to Alexander Pell I would argue against that for him, you got the job as the offense coordinator. You might as well call them for Cleveland if he does not going to be in big trouble, you got a young quarterback they trust you do it. Make sure you call them the place and not pass into somebody else. Yeah. So much of what? Does well as calling play action that really works well in the passing game. Okay. Marcus most important piece of this Brown's offense for you. Laura I mean for. Days to make me mad and lose my mind. So I, fail for today and Keyshawn talking about defends obviously we know they important Nick Chou. Make job is the Is Baker Baker Mayfield and everybody in the world outside of. Johnson and Dan Orlovsky knows it is back. So. You. Tell me they win and they went out Cleveland Organization went out and got a new head coach. They Sat Austin Hooper they signed Jarvis Landry they traded for Odell Beckham Julia? To be the most important part of what they do Martin Martin is yes. I love doing with these markets. Golly Marcus of course, Baker Mayfield is important, but it starts with the play call. He's not putting him in position to be successful. Then what is he there for a kitchen I agree with keyshawn he's important. I'm just telling you is the most important person on this team is Nick Nick runs the ball well, they run the football Dan Baker Mayfield job. He's super. Baker nod. Guys Martin tape. The tape is so evident when he runs the football where Baker Mayfield place better, and this offense executes better Baker Song last year run the football nick trump. He's the most important person on the team I have some tylenol. I I don't know where to go lower. Well, keep asking me to go somewhere I don't know what to do. Because you're. Let me somewhere for me? Okay. Let me go somewhere. I would've picked Odell Beckham junior because you bring in OB J. he should be go to receiver for Baker Mayfield and if you're a quarterback and you know that you've got Odell Beckham junior who can catch anything you throw his way doesn't that actually end up making him the most important piece of this. Goes back to the office coordinator, head coach. Hey. Dan, can you just say Baker Mayfield's name one time. And Baker Mayfield. Segment and I know you're from Connecticut. But it sounded like you were from somewhere in the south. Tom Brady was a new team against. Mr Consistency. On Sunday, they're ranked one and two in both passing yards and touchdowns, and according to the Elias. Sports Bureau. The last time we saw the top two leaders in passing yards meet with John elway Dan Marino in nineteen ninety eight. If you think that's a throwback. Last time we saw the top two leaders passing touchdowns meet slinging Sammy Baugh Sid Luchman back in one thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, nine, check out their uniforms. They're okay that's a lot of fun but we do want to get some updates here. We'll start with you shefty because one of Tom Brady's supposed- big time targets has. Some News, what do you know the buccaneers are listening Mike Evans with a hamstring injury Laura if that sounds familiar, there's a reason forty finished last season on I R missed three games due to a hamstring injury. He's nursing a hamstring injury right now and the buccaneers basically say it could be a game day decision as to whether Evans is able to go Sunday against the new. Orleans saints. All right. So we got factor that in here let's focus on the bucks offense for a moment. Tom Brady will. We'll see if you'll have Mike Evans but Chris Godwin Cameron Bright Gronk OJ. Key it seems like this would be a quarterback's dream. Tell us do you have any concerns about Tom? Brady and these receivers you know it is a quarterback dream. They got a lot of weapons. A lot of toys play within Tom Brady knows best. But when you start talking about championships and winning net weight last time I can remember was a ninety nine rams the greatest show on turf and fast forward to twenty eighteen ramps that didn't happen. It was a struggle big time. They don't WanNa ball all over the place run the ball girl thousand obviously was thousand yard rushers tied in. It's catching balls no championship you go to the. Seven New England Patriots Record Breaking No Championship. The defense is keyed in winning a championship. Yes. They can get the football to other people there. There's no question about it guys WanNa touch the ball the problem that you have when you have too many weapons as you can't satisfy everybody somebody's not going to be happy in this situation. So let me just get this clear. You're saying that all those weapons that Tom Brady has actually a bad thing because they might get their feelings hurt if they don't get the ball, you just it's it's not necessarily the are going to get you. As an office coordinator or trying to figure out who to get the football too. So you are now out of Sync I've got manage getting the ball to Evans I gotta manage the ball I gotta manage getting the ball to Leonard for net gotTA, figure out how to get Ronald Jones involved in a game. It's a lot of things now they couldn't win it I just don't think when you look back at it history shows me it doesn't work first of all I will send you some chiefs tape from last year watching that explosive offense and all those weapons. Win It listen this. Imagining you in Hollywood, you probably got your porch and your Bentley in your and your Libya. Man There's only I can only drive one at a time. It doesn't really matter what the decision is. It's going to be a good ride. This is what it's like for Tom Brady this year Tom Brady the problem happened. This is when you there's a lot of talent the problem comes when you don't have any wisdom, Tom Brady has plenty of wisdom to make sure I'm going to go through my progression you win you'll get the ball Tom Brady has that clout in command I have no concern about this become an issue for the Bucks Marcus what do you think? Do not, Tom, Brady the quarterback Dole right. In your premise I understand your premise and I tend to agree with you on certain levels of what you say but Tom Brady to me makes all of that Nolan Voi- The success rate of what he does at quarterback has always been bald distribution two guys that we don't even know that's been a part of his game forever the head Aaron Hernandez and Gronk at the same time one of them was the pass catching guy one of possession catches when Randy Moss came over there was no doubt that Randy Moss ball out. That's what he did I e a Malul concerned about the. Injury because I think Tom Brady is at his best when he has receivers that can we want to was but key I don't disagree with you on your premise but I one hundred percent disagree with you on a Tom Brady quarterback football teams when you talk about how many weapons at his disposal Winning the championship not about keeping everybody. Happy. That's what I. Do quarterback. Better than anybody I let me. See Different team different the their off-season because I've seen this with Sean mcvay some of this falls on the coach. Some of these falls on the coach making sure that when they're installing those plays receivers like yourself I, don't know if they're number two or number three into progression because then. The number I am because that would be comes onto Kobe. Worried about that guy stink their number one. Glad you went quarterback. Ran You off what it is silence. We know what it is. We know what it is. This is the same Kisha Johnson there saying throw the damn ball you nailed it. added. All. Good. Time for one more thing before we go marcus. Oh, man listen. This may be the beginning of a new era. We've talked about the saints dominating the NFC South and making their to win championships and the heartbreaking losses they lose this game we won to Tom Brady and the Tampa Bay buccaneers after everybody has told me about all the reps that Breeze Sean Payton us there will be trouble in my state. How about the to extract that agent David had negotiated three contracts making Buddha Bak- the highest paid safety in Football History Jalen Ramsey today, the highest paid quarterback in football history and to Shawn Watson over the weekend that's over three hundred and forty million dollars worth of deals in two weeks who's had a better to extraction and David. I WANNA call out a really just throw challenge out to Juju. Smith Schuster two years ago hundred eleven catches fourteen hundred yards, and then last year fall off to forty two catches in about five hundred and fifty yards step up I know the quarterback's were bad that you got big Ben back and if this team is going to be the team that I think. Is GonNa Win The division you've got to be the dominant receiver. We saw two years ago song thrown out the challenge. Do you think you're a one? Don't be a one this year for the Pittsburgh steelers talking about being a one here's the one for the Audrey Hopkins ten-inch Hands Ridiculous Right. You wonder how catching all those balls especially from the list of quarterbacks. Outside the Shawn Watson Tj. Ryan Fitzpatrick Bryan Roy osweiler Ryan Mallett, Tom, savage case keenum shop Brandon we and Dan you just kidding. The Same Hey listen that gave me a headache and apparently earlier in the show we marcus spears headache marcus such a headache he was massaging his own glasses. Flag Oh. Are you? Okay how? You feel better. Every every time key every time we see. Dan We just need. NEEDS, to be. Wondering the playoff. Hey that's it for us here on NFL we'll see you tomorrow same time. please.

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If you're old enough you might remember. This was actually the mantra. The song for president clinton when he was running for president. Don't stop believing as we wait to see who the next president will be. Obviously the worst bon jovi from bon jovi is from new jersey. Just like we are. We should mention president in bon. Jovi would that particular song would be what i would here in a bar in college. After i'd swallow couple slices of pizza and figure out what the long island iced tea is. How strong do you wanna be. Alcohol volunteered our along. Because i didn't drink at all in college until my senior year. And then i had a long island and then it was all downhill gear for deer. It's been all bad so we should mention that it's been all bad for the forty niners as well. Your situation cheap drake well. I don't know it depends. I mean long island is teaser. Kind of college college. It was like how many how much how much you're getting paid. I mean you to go to the duffel bag too far. I wouldn't get paid at usc. We don't do things we didn't pay. We don't pay players at usc. I'm just be honest with you. All right it's an escrow. I want you to be honest when you hear this from nick wagner. He's our forty niners reporter. This is just an unbelievable stat. The forty niners last year in the nfc championship game. They were right there in the super bowl. Patrick mahomes doesn't convert a third and fifteen for the ages. They're probably the super bowl champions from then to now they got the packers tonight and listen to their offense and where they are now compared to that night when they whip the pack and got to the super bowl to put it into perspective for for the listeners. The forty niners the packers played. I believe it was january twentieth. They played in the nfc championship game in that game. Seven players from the forty niners touched the ball Had something to do with you know. Moving the ball of their passing receiving or running the ball. None of those seven players will be available tomorrow night when they played the packers and the only one. That's not still on the team. As mad breed of the running back who was traded to the dolphins everybody else is either injured or on the covid nineteen list and they only have three starters on offense Who will be available tomorrow night and that the other two is your left guard. You're right tackle and fullback. How us checks okay. So obviously nick recorded that last night so when he says tomorrow night. He's really speaking of tonight just for clarity. They're gonna join us this morning at nine thirty five eastern and his counterpart rob demovsky who covers the packers for. Espn will join us at nine thirty. So if you're really interested you have an opportunity. Those guys will be with us at nine thirty and nine thirty five. Am eastern because bottom. Line is Nick said it's not just injuries. There's nobody issues related to them. So we'll get the very latest. The forty niners are sitting there with four wins. We discussed this yesterday. I'm not quite sure. How the even got two four seven giants was one. That's true they might have been to. They done a great job against the nfc east but then again who hasn't right it. This guy gets to seven winds up being a little z. Here honestly if the forty niners get to like seven wins seven nine who knows what the number seven seed in the playoffs could be this year since there's a seven seed and maybe an eight depending on what happens. If they go to sixteen team schedule there could be an eight seed. I'm not kidding. Finish like seven and nine. I think he deserves coach of the year votes. I really do well. You got to see. Who else is out there. But yeah he certainly is headed down there. Track right now has done a tremendous job with players in and out of the lineup. Starting with game one against arizona cardinals when people start falling like flies and then all of a sudden you got four wins on a year. Typically though when you lose players things start to go real bad especially when you lose a starting quarterback. I have perfectly personal experiences. Evan our producer were no. We lost vinny testaverde First game of the year and we couldn't get out our own way for about seven or eight games and then all of a sudden we started to click in. We got on track. We just it's like when you lose an important part of your team. You kinda like just walk in a fall for a long period of time and i think when nick bolsa got hurt you start man. They're in trouble here it end. Deebo samuel gets hurt a little bit and then now jimmy garoppolo this is. I believe this is jimmy. Second third time this year being hurt and having a mistime second right Second year with a high ankle sprain. So impressive to me that nick mullins is one on one. Nick is going on like how. How is that too as a guy. You've been around a lot of quarterbacks who come in and come out and just be ready to perform right now. Football's next man up still carrying that kind of responsibility. I mean we've seen so many other players is your struggle with is all about. Coaching is all about coaching. And understanding. your personality your players know who you have so you can put them in the right position to succeed. A lot of times coaches will take a guy like nick mullins and act like. He's tom brady. I know he's a backup for reason. He's not just started for reason. So you have to manage the situation a certain way when you think about it. The greatest quarterback that we've seen here in the last twenty years has been one guy. Tom brady tom brady. I took over. Drew bledsoe it was play defense methodically. Move the ball down the field. Let him make one or two throws that can help us. But we're run the ball. We're gonna play defense and we're going to have success doing that because they knew how to manage tom brady. Tom brady was a backup. Drew bledsoe for now. Eventually he took over he became a starter he learned on the job he got into the situation and he just became tom brady. And that's the way you do things you know all of a sudden. Just throw a guy in there. Is you gotta do the same thing that the other guy did. It's like no man that dude the backup quarterback for reason. Well that's exactly what minnesota did right with kirk cousins. They only do the ball. fourteen times. Dalvin cook went to work. I mean you assume it will be the same game plan for the forty niners right hasty and let let them go to work and just try to pound the ball on the ground but the difference with kirk cousins is kirk cousins. The actually the started they pay a lot of money to throw the ball. But when you look at you look at. The strength of san francisco is probably running the football where the weakness on green bay's defense is the middle linebacker position so that's one of the things that scratch ahead. Everybody talks about trade deadline. Why we see where they needed to help. Aaron rodgers and davante adams in that group. They really needed some linebacker hill. They re they just for whatever. Reason didn't address the linebacker position. And so you saw exactly what happened against dalvin. Cook and vikings and i'm sure shanahan who likes to run the football Has taken note. You know a lot of times. You hear people say well you know. Coaching is so additive. I feel now. When i watched the forty niners it's kyle shanahan versus the green bay packers like that's what the matchup is to me right like no players in particular that i can call out for the forty niners. It's a coach's game plan and how he's pointing out altogether to stop aaron rodgers and the packers. Okay so it's time for straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless. Let's go to the other side. Real quick with the packers when the packers were embarrassed by tom brady and the bucks. They bounced back the next week house. Houston thirty five twenty. It was not. It was a fifteen point game. You'll understand what i'm saying here wasn't nearly as close as it seemed yes. Fifteen is a large margin win on the road but they absolutely crushed houston. The game was over at the half. That was still bill. O'brien knows correct. That is still an brian too much better. But they did pick up a win without him on the other side. They're coming off another loss. This one to the vikings stunning in some ways the way minnesota did it with them running the ball j. referenced so key how do the packers bounce back tonight. The first time they came back with a vengeance. What are you thinking tonight. I think they are when you look at it. They're probably going to have a similar game plan. A similar attack Devante adams is back in the fold now two weeks so he's healthy. Lazar may come back. I don't know if he's out yet. A no he had some limited limited work. So they you know. They said that they're not setting a timetable but he did have some limited work. But i think it's all on air rogers Aaron rodgers has to go back into san francisco and redeem himself in a team from that. Nfc championship lost a year ago. Looking to do that so we'll see what happens. Last thing i want a match nick wagoner stat with one of my own. Nick was really good on the niners. Anybody touch the ball. Essentially an offense that played in the nfc title game against the packers. That's playing against the packers tonight. How about this one. The last nfc team to make the super bowl after losing in the super bowl the previous season. That's exactly where the niners are very lasted me one more time. This is exactly what the niners are at this moment. The last nfc team to make the super bowl after losing in the super bowl the previous year. Okay and fc super bowl loser the ability to just get back to the super bowl. Just get back. How long do you think it's been. Nfc loser in the super bowl. Just getting back to the super bowl. Twenty-six years little longer than that the vikings in nineteen seventy three in one thousand nine hundred seventy four. We're about to play super bowl. Fifty five for a little perspective. That was super bowl. Eight and super bowl nine. How about that. Think about that for a second straight. Talk wireless no contract no compromise on the way eight divisions in the nfl eight statements. What's real and what's not from the moment they're born. You do everything to keep your kids safe. But who's looking out for you as you look out for them. The volvo xc ninety suv with advanced safety. 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Two o'clock those time you're like what what's the what's happening. Why the lights on. Oh that's how you look. Never mind what is about to happen what what's about to happen. I'm gonna blame on us having too many long island iced tea in the last segment. We just heard this song. Heaven heaven this song. We're playing it again because you guys said it was bon. Jovi no hold on to people in this booth said on jovi. I agree based on them. I assume i assume this is part of jays catalog. Cata well as zoom is because they say bon jovi new jersey to hold this. I'm going. I'm like yeah i don't know i don't have this in my car plant and listened to on the radio. You got it in your phone. I'm sewer playlist. yes exactly now apple platelets. We jumped on a quick Yeah yeah there's no question. I've heard it in college but all gave it to bon jovi dental top of giving it to bon jovi. You said it was a president. Clinton's inauguration song right world for two clarification clean up a lot in this so first of all. This journey their lead singer. Steve perry who is a huge bay area sports fan. He sang. Take me out to the ball game when the giants were in the world series. Three out of five years. So so this is san francisco. Forty niners playing tonight. That's off we're way off on. We also played third eye blind at six o'clock which was another bay area band so there's a little theme to the music today. Given credit i got third eye. Blind right though. Yes your third binder. I've done one thing right to one for three off. what else. then. I want you to hear a bon jovi song. So we can altogether know woo-hoo bunch of is what he sounds. Okay we're ready. Oh you're shots jay. What's up information is two zero and just a cap on the whole thing. Zubin had said. Don't stop believing. Bill clinton campaign song. It was actually. Don't stop by fleetwood. Mac i was one word off. I added an extra word. This news even know where. I would even know who saying this. No but it. I guess our listeners. Do though this always get into trouble at all sounds the same to me. All sounds the same to me. Party music in the bar hanging out. That's just the same to me. Because i'm not a rock and roll. I guess this would be be making any aspersions on music okay. We don't even don't even go there. Rock and roll. I think it might be time to go back to sports. So how would you like soft rock. Yes software and there's plenty of people out there that we don't know what we're talking about sports either so this is actually a perfect scenario looking at. I'm shy that. I don't know who the songs are. And who the artists are shy. All right i'm going to be very live living what i don't know seniors. Who happens to live who humming it and act like you're singing along so you're part of the group of the group you belong there us alright. Zuber's very nervous. Now you go back to sports. We're about to go real or not real after that unreal four minutes that we just played on this program. That's for sure. I'm always doubting everything i'm thinking about. Just confirm here. The afc east is comprised of the bills. The jets the dolphins and the patriots. So we read about that because we gotta talk about the. He's for a second to make sure the culture no longer. They're not sure there ever there. Were back in the day okay. We're on their nervous now. The ditch don't even call triple eight. Stay in the ditch. he like. We always seem like a fish out of water when we're in those kind of club with that kind of music. I wanna take zubin at evan. It's like a hip hop hook clip. That's why i want to see them like dance future. And all this all this good stuff you know like have them stand the corner to see how they act. Yeah you know. They told us to never talk. Politics should have never done it. They told us that. Never talk politics. I've brought a bill clinton. See what happens. Did you bring upon excuse so you got excited about the music. But that's fine we we we're back on track now all right. If you're old enough maybe bill clinton was playing the saxophone while listening to that all right anyway if you have to be old enough to get them all right so here we go real or not real. This is courtesy of a great website. And we give them a shout out. It's called the wringer the wringer dot com. They talk about sports music. Pop culture really great stuff anita great article on their posted recently essentially taking questions for each of the eight. Nfl divisions turning them into statements. And we want to see whether the fellas agree with their statements. Are i felt ready to do this. Let's start in the afc east their statement about this division. Josh allen will stop believing. No josh allen will stop playing like jekyll and hyde key. No of course it is i win. You're talking about now the season i think he will. I think he will stop. Just start to play a little bit. Better he's had some good moments but every sits down loss key decided to make him an mvp candidate. It's all downhill from there. Not room not sold on him being consistently dominant. He's been he started season. Hot like keesa. Do had him as mvp simmered off since then but i don't see it being consistently dominant. Afc their statement and the fellow statement on the statement. Lamar jackson and the ravens will recapture their twenty nine thousand nine form when they finished with fourteen wins and he was the. Mvp it's real they will recapture the farm. They're winning games but at the end he's not going to be the mvp they're still gonna be a thirteen fourteen win type football team. Well see i would disagree. I will say not real because he lamar's not playing at mvp caliber level. And that's what he played in two thousand nine hundred zero winning no man who's winning but he's not playing at that level plus who was he throwing the ball to key. They still winning though. Still a good football team. Tennessee coming off a head-scratching defeat. Afc south they're statement the fella statement on this. The titans defense wakes up before it's too late now real. They won't it. This division is now in indies. Hands in in their control indies. Figured it out. I think philip rivers has figured it out. And we'll see a big test for philip rivers again this weekend when they take on the baltimore ravens is. He cannot turn the football over in. They'll be in good shape if he turned the ball over. There gonna be trouble. See i'm gonna say real here. Not only did they go out and get a a defensive back and desmond keen at the trade deadline right but also dorie. Jackson comes back off. Injuries should be a huge boost or secondary. And i like variables. Really good coach. I think they turn around. Indeed coming off what i would say a stunner that loss to the bengals to the afc west dare statement on the wringer dot com that we will react to nobody can stop the chiefs. That's not true. Because the raiders stopped him. So that's not true at all. And they got to see the raiders again in the raiders are going in with confidence. So that's not real. Would you not have the says. He said we'll favourite. Yes but stopping them. The raiders have already stopped him they they. They lost to the raiders. A cedar raiders again. Here in a couple of weeks. Yeah i mean. I i take this. Is anybody going to stop them from winning a super bowl. Not can you stop them for one game. I think once they get to the playoffs at all their weapons. I mean there's only one team the averages more points than msel's seattle seahawks. I think too many weapons. We're we're going into the super bowl. The i don't know what pittsburgh defense how they will be playing in. I don't. I don't necessarily know if baltimore will figure out how to punch him in the mouth but then when you get to the nfc into the super bowl let's remember jimmy. Garoppolo missed emmanuel sanders. And we wouldn't even be having this conversation about the chiefs in airport. Fair has a chance that we wouldn't be having this conversation key mentioned the. Nfc let's go there. Nfc east declared statement. The nfc east winner will have a winning record negative. No they'll they'll be an eight eight eight nater below the win that division they doesn't qualify. Guess is five hundred but it doesn't qualify a winning record to me so it's pretty much the eagles right. Tell me you won't made a bet on. The eagles have a winning record at three four and one at the moment giants next could get four one easily johnson playing well though playing well might win the division. Yeah i'm with you k. I'm with my senate. Division not like the eagles are a juggernaut of a team danny cents. Turn into danny dime there one in seven right now. We made some bad statements this morning. That might be the worst. But what did they make the playoffs. Though at one in seven days what if how because they just go on the run in the eagles start just play like the eagles one in seven to play. What do what do you see the way they played the bucks. If he doesn't throw those picks in they hit and he hits any hits a running back on a little out. Put it in overtime. They might win that game. They playing good football. They just got turned a corner in eagles. What are the eagles gonna show like what eagles are going to show up. What are you doing. I'm not arguing with you. Don't wanna seven izhar. there's no question about it. They should be looking to next year's draft but anything can happen. They've lost games by four three to regain except for the niner game where they lost by like twenty five every game they have been in the nine team a seven hundred nineteen in division. What did they run off enough to be seven and nine mathematically feasible. But i mean they have been near though the close a lot of games they just daniel. Jones has thrown for eight picks. Nine pixel ready in eight games. I don't think that they are going to the playoffs. But what if they do over. Let's have some fun when joe forton bar gambling guy joins us. I'll ask him. What are the odds that the giants could go one in seven to the playoffs right. We'll ask him. We'll have some fun with him when he joins us one in seven to the playoffs. Okay back to reality. Partic- west russell. Wilson is good enough to consistently make up for the seahawks defensive deficiencies i think they. It's real But their defense is slightly getting better here every week that they get back out there. They're getting a little bit better a little bit better. Jamal adams has not been the lineup. The last several weeks. They'll eventually get him back. Carlos dunlap was traded to add. Some pressure brought over to add some pressure to the defense to get at the quarterback because they clearly saw with Mary was able to do to them. When he put the ball in the air but yeah wrestles certainly can make up for deficiencies on the off on the defensive side of the ball. Well i think those pieces coming back that changes the conversation around about their defense. 'cause jamal adams is a beast. I mean he. He is legitimately a beast. I think brussels numbers will average out but in game scenarios. Yes he can carry them from time to time. But i think deepens that actually pan out when it's all said and done let's fly through these last two and if c north the bears are good enough to make this race with the packers. That's statement. is that a strong statement or write statement or wrong statement right statement. I think it's real. You know it is just one of those two weeks ago. Nick foles beat tom. Brady and the first thing we've seen well then they went out later stinker now. We're off of him again now. It's should they play trubisky. We don't know which green bay team is gonna show up week to week so i don't see how you can automatically council chicago. Bears out of the equation of making a strong run to win the division. I just don't see how you do it just quite yet well about doing. I'll cancel i. I said before. I think this was not a real situation. I think the bears are a great defensive team. Offensively anemic at times. And i said they will lose three in a row. They lost two in a row. Now they're going into tennessee. We'll see but i think at tennessee. I'm sure when. Joe comes on a show foreign ball. They are favored in this ball. Game all right last one. Of course tennessee ended. The tom brady era in new england. Of course he's the bucks are. Nfc south question. Tom brady tampa. Bay's defense can keep playing at this elite level keyshawn israel. Yeah they could keep planted elite level but the other key other teams within the conference. I'll start to play better as well. They'll separate themselves these four teams. You'll start to see who to really teams or between the green bay. Packers the seattle seahawks as well as the tampa bay bucks in the new orleans saints. I don't see base slowing down at all. I think the best defense in the nfl. And i think they're gonna keep going as simple. Those are declared if statements that symbol. Wanna give a shout to the wringer. It's as simple to log onto the website. Checkout that article if you want. They gave us some good stimulation this morning to think about every division in the nfl. By the way. Joe foreign mazari gambling expert. If you're unaware we have once a week and he'll be new he'll be on tomorrow morning at eight ten so we can ask him. How a one in seven team can end up making the playoffs and how you can make money doing that. Indeed the giants play in new jersey and they would be living on a prayer indeed key if you could go from one and seven to the playoff municipal because being from jersey. I want every song it'd be like. Bon jovi bruce springsteen stuff like that. That's that's on me and the chairman of the board frank sinatra. I hope those three guys from new jersey. I really really hope those three guys are from new. Jersey cannot afford another mistake ottomans. Let's go to sports center and then back to more cowboy doc. Okay good morning. I'm assuming with your sports interrupdate. Somebody else wrote this key so if this is wrong. I'm just passing the buck play. Reps expected to approve a december twenty second star to the nba telling espn board of governors and the pa or going to meet today december. Twenty second is a huge star date if they were to start in january or beyond the league you said it could lose hundreds of millions of dollars thursday night football forty niners packers rematch of last year's nfc championship game. All of this happening missed the forty niners shutting down their facility. It's the start of week nine. It'll begin at eight twenty pm. Eastern louisville virginia set for saturday has been postponed due to of course a corona virus outbreak. This with the louisville football program it's been pushed back to november fourteenth fifteen members of the cardinals staff tested positive and players. So it's really louisville. Here that's trying to get their house in order including ten players and five members as i mentioned of the support staff. You might remember. They played virginia tech without nine players and lost that ballgame and now they are two and five under second year coach. scott satterfield. sports center brought to you by progressive progressive. Proud to honor our veterans by donating cars to move their lives forward especially in times of need learn more about their progress programme in plans for twenty twenty keys to progress dot com. Very interesting situation for the cowboys. I'm sure you all know a dak prescott. Of course don on the mend rehabbing andy dalton right now on the reserve covid lists are hoping to have him back at this point some point. This season won't be this week. They played benvenuti last week. Two interceptions four sacks and. Apparently you just heard mike mccarthy. They're either going with garrett gilbert twenty nine year old well known to people in texas played. For the longhorns and the mustangs. But he's twenty nine. They could go with cooper rush. Neither guy has ever started a game. We're going to bring in john king and this morning a former cowboy's quarterback and a former cowboy's quarterback coach this morning. Excuse me some interesting perspective on this. He joins us this morning on the shell. Pennzoil performance line to just sort of. Take us inside the mind. What's going on right now with the cowboys quarterback first things first. John hard hitting question. What's your favorite bon jovi song. I mean i guess you'd have to go. I don't even know to be honest. Living on a prayer. But i have no idea yes so lockstep with us because that's apparently the only one we know is well more serious all right so help. We'll see we'll never lived down all right. Okay let's get down to brass tacks. Cooper rush never started a game. Garrett gilbert never started a game you got a seven no the only undefeated team in the league coming in. How did the cowboys manage this short-term and long-term with your experience as a player and a qb coach as they're in a tough spot When you're hit with injuries like this and you know the clear leader of your program has as a you know had a season and ending injury. It's tough and then you know. Add in the fact that you got a new staff and the coves stuff i mean. It's it's you know it's the perfect storm and You gotta team coming in pittsburgh that you know has had a lotta continuity and You know their defense. Is you know what pittsburgh defense is we will. We all know it to be so isn't tough deal. I how do you manage it It's about the professionals in that locker room all you know raising their game and and doing their job and making sure that they handled their part and But that's that's a tough deal. John when you look at it have been a quarterback. Coach obviously played the position yourself. Would you recommend out of the three guys that they have to choose from. Who should be starting this game against pittsburgh. I think the guy that you know can first of all leave the guys that are going to be in that huddle the best and the guys that are going to step into that huddle which which guy is going to give them the most confidence when they go on after you look i. I hate to admit it. But i've been in that situation as a player You know where your you know things are. You're kinda strapping. And you know when we were in cincinnati i think in I think it was two thousand two. I can't remember what year it was. But you know we were kinda scrapping and trying to figure out how to build a program and all that stuff and can't see came in. They were nine. And i believe chad. Course your guy goes out guarantees a win and You know kind of galvanize us and i'm not saying that that's what they should do but you know we're able to go out and and and and be cheese day but you know. I think it comes down to you. Know which quarterback is going to give the most confidence to those guys in the huddle plane and play out and you know. How do you know that you talk to the guys that are in the in that locker room. John kidding a former cowboy quarterback former kabwe coach and gm amongst many other teams that he played for the seahawks bingos alliance When you look at it. John should the cowboys and and they're already tanking. As far as i'm concerned just based on taking the field but should they be very cautious about ws opposed to a better draft position at this stage of the season. As you know the players. The locker room never talked about never really think too much about that stuff. This is too much competitive character. That's in that locker room and you know i've heard you guys talking about that in the last couple weeks and that that's a hard stance to take When when you're talking about competitiveness and and guys you know you're not guaranteed your next snap much less next year and so You know how do you sell that. I i. I don't know the fact that matter is they're missing a lot of really really good. Football players pro players some of the best players their positions. Some guys that are probably going to be you know. Have a chance to be in the hall of fame someday. That's a tough deal and You know. I think. I know i know what's in that organization and they compete for everything and and So that's that that'd be a tough sale. John what did you You know when you when you look at this whole thing. What do you think this team lost when dak prescott went down for man. Yeah you know thinking about this a lot you know I mean i. I literally loved act like a brother and And you know. I thought about it when when he went down like you know honestly i. Was you know sitting there watching the game and and Just couldn't believe it. When i saw it and my whole family we were disturbed by but the thing about that. Is you know. I've been around. I was in the locker room. Warren moon. I was on a team with warren moon. i was carson palmer house. We're tony romo with other guys are good leaders. Really good leaders. I consider myself a good leader. I've never seen by like that. Ever the guy that's universally respected by everybody in that organization. That's hard to find. Somebody doesn't like you right like you. Just you guys have been around enough. You don't you. I mean it's unbelievable. How he can galvanized everybody and he's the hardest worker In a weight room used to hardest worker in the film room harsh work on on the practice field. He does everything you need to do. In terms of public relations and media stuff you stand up there in the crazy thing about at their being with him last year is. He's literally always positive. Last week is going to be. The best play is so when you lose that plus the fact you know his physical talent. That's a hard piece to replace. It certainly has lasting for you. You may have been extracting yourself from the national football league for a while. But you haven't gotten away from the football bug. I heard your high school coach. Tell everybody about this. Yeah you know that's always been. I feel like god has called my wife and my family to do is just to go back into the high school ranks and To try and develop young men to be great real men when they graduate high school and and And have men of character. And i love the game of football love being around and i feel like i have a lot that i can pass on and My family and i this is where we feel like. God has called us to be you know. Obviously last year we took a hiatus in got the chance to coach in the. Nfl is a great opportunity coach. For somebody i love and jason garrett organization. I love with the cowboys. But you know the high school thing. This is my eighth year coach. And i love it. I'm in burleson texas My first year here and you really trying to build a program that produces men of character leadership's leadership factory. That's amazing because guys like here you know going to the nfl and a rocket ship but most of the guys. I played high school. Football will never put on the uniform after they graduate from high school so to be able to as they say down in texas brush shoulders with an. Nfl quarterback is an unbelievable opportunity for those youngsters. Really appreciate you spending some time with us this morning and best of luck on friday night lights the rest of the way. Thanks to him. Thanks man burtless in highschool in texas their most famous. Alum kelly clarkson. I might get fired if i ask you guys. What's their most famous song out of the. It didn't help you put a rocket ship. No man ferrari. Okay gotcha you were. You were on the autobahn earlier this morning. So we'll make sure you're kelly clarkson don't don't don't don't don't do it because i feel you're about to go down this path. Clerks and songs songs keyshawn j. will zubin presented by progressive insurance still to come speaking of quarterback situations. I'm going to do it. It's the last time i'm going to do it. Why bears fan shouldn't stop believing in mitch trubisky when deciding how and when to safely return to the workplace. You need to be informed. That's why ibm watson helps you. Prioritize employee safety with watson works a set of a infused capabilities. Let's put smart to work visit. Ibm dot com slash watson works to learn more This is the story of a disgraced olympian. A man accused of sexually abusing dozens of boys and young men for over forty years. I remember if i scream. Nobody can hear me and the perfect storm. That brought his accusers together. I'm not the only one. The only one was no longer and brought him out of the shadows. How do you get these believe in you so much. Listen to espn investigate season to the running man. Wherever you listen to podcasts available. Now those. The words of mike greenberg who started his radio career in chicago. Bears postgame in. Mike is right. We haven't seen anybody graded the position. Some historians tell you. We're not old enough of this fellow. But sid luchman going back to the stone games. Remember was greg quarterback for the bears three star recruits. She needed to work on the back. In crystal clear man wasn't bad and neither was vince. Evans they were okay. You gotta go back for evans and obviously mcmahon the quarterback of the super bowl winning team. I'm sure my hometown motto can tell us all about those quarterbacks indeed because waddell caught passes for many bears quarterbacks and he joins us this morning on the shell pennzoil performance line pennzoil synthetic motor oils. Made from natural gas gives you unbeatable engine protection. The proof is in the pennzoil based on sequence for a test using sap five w thirty he has his own radio show in chicago waddle and silvy on espn one thousand show and indeed. It is and joins us this morning. These are not too great quarterbacks. For sure town good morning so i think the status of mitch's shoulder and then go ahead and go macaroni. These two fellows. Yeah first of all good morning guys and someone argue. I was part of the problem when you cast me. Is the number one receiver in the early nineties. You've you're already behind the eight ball. i yeah i. I don't think this is going to be a from what i understand I haven't talked to anybody inside the building. But i don't think mitch is gonna be available at the back of this weekend and there's talk that it may last A couple of weeks so Things went from. I mean if you look at this team and they're five and three and you look from the outside in you know you probably are wondering why people in chicago are wringing their hands and gnashing their teeth. Because those of us who've had a front row view for all of this has seen this offensive ineptitude for a long time and then things got worse this week. Not just with mitch. Being hurt and not available as a backup but their offensive line is very likely they go to nashville and play titans team with eighty percent of their starting all fence line not available and it was an offensive line that was below average from the first half of the season anyway so mitya's out nick's going to be running for his life so Take that they're saying so tom. Mitch didn't get hurt. How much longer do you think that they would have pretty much state with. Polls before they pull the hook again back to mitch. Yeah key. I think that when when matt nagy made that change like halfway through the third quarter in the falcons game in week three. I think it was a change. That matt was looking to make all along. I think he is. I think the reason you trade for nick foles you give up a fourth. You guarantee twenty one million. You don't do that to sit him on the bench. There was great familiarity. I think that inside that building inside matt nagy had there. Was this thought that finally they were going to have a quarterback that could run mass offense so I think we made. The change was made in an indefinite fashion. That it was going to be that way forever. So even without the injury. I don't think that there is any appetite up at halas hall here in chicago for changing back to mitch. I i think i think right. Now matt got approved. Everybody that that the trade enfolds was the right reason and that this offense will work and that they can make nick foles work inside this off that i think it's a very very difficult task to prove all of that. But i think when the change was made guys i think it was made for the remainder of the season. I don't think there's a whole lot of flexibility up there inside the coaching room to go back to mitch. Even if he's healthy. Let me. Let me ask you this still tom. Because you've been there forever right in chicago. You seen the organization from beginning to end. Why the hell can't they ever find any quarterback like one quarterback just one quarterback for a couple years. How come in the league find a quarterback except the bears. Young kid is the thing that has everyone like. We are really proud band base. And there's always a ton of optimism and then we get we get consistently smacked in the face with at the very best average. Offense and usually poor quarterback plays so. It's something that that that this entire city has struggled with. And i don't know that there's a really good explanation. I heard you guys talking earlier. Look jimmy man was a quarterback. He just couldn't stay healthy. They made made the trade for jay cutler and gave up a couple of first round picks and brought him in and then in a lotta ways didn't surround him with enough and jay made some pretty risky decisions on a consistent basis and it didn't work out and then look they had the opportunity guys not to relive the past and get people nauseous this early in the morning here in chicago but like they had the chance back in two thousand and seventeen. They moved up from number three to number two because they were afraid someone was going to get in front of them to take mitch. Trubisky when when shawn watson and patrick mahomes were were available so like i don't have i. I'm supposed to come on the show and have the answers. 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Hour 3 - Reggie Miller (11-19-19)

The Dan Patrick Show

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Hour 3 - Reggie Miller (11-19-19)

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Luca Danni Chik Forty two twelve eleven. Paul George gets a little revenge on Oklahoma City. I don't it's revenge Oklahoma City. Let him go to the clippers. But Paul George is in midseason form already and a big difference maker there with the clippers for so we'll talk to reg will join US coming up. Chiefs beat the chargers. Twenty four seventeen four picks for Philip rivers tonight thunder and the Lakers acres mclovin poll question for us while we still have up to Philip Rivers Hall of fame question. Sixty two percent do not believe he's a hall of fame. I come on really you. Don't have those the people vote. Well it's a reecey bias. But there are a lot of people who don't think Philip rivers is a hall of Famer like what constitutes a hall of Famer at that position now in today's NFL if you don't make a super bowl or win an MVP. It feels like you're going to have a hard time. Getting in shouldn't more quarterbacks be in the hall of fame than then Linemen quarterbacks or show much more valuable to the sport I feel like core more important than ever so they should maybe get a slight light advantage because of that. But you have five offensive linemen. You have one quarterback suggest the sheer numbers. You'RE GONNA have a lot more linemen with the opportunity to get Over quarterbacks but in reality WHO's more valuable to their team Walter Jones or somebody. WHO's like a surefire? Maybe left tackle. Actually boater Jones was pretty good. Too good exam Larry Allen pretty good like if you were going to go linemen that that would be comparable to Tom. Brady like the greatest Lineman of all time is who because if Brady's the best quarterback of all time where does that linemen fit in in there who is the greatest lineman of all time gamble. The name that popped in my head was anthony moon io the tackle for the bengals because he was on a bad team and he was the star of a team at the offensive offensive line position that growing up in Chicago I knew his name and maybe can Anderson and some guys like that but he was the star of the team was the best player. He was athletic as anybody I'd ever seen in at that position because he was a former baseball player. USC He was. He was really an incredible. Because you put the big guy. The fat guy there on on the offensive line Munoz was a great athlete. There Larry Allen the fact that you had players who would come down with Larry on flu. They didn't WanNa play against him Anthony Munoz nine times first team. All pro only two players have done it more Jim. Otto Center for the Raiders Jerry. Rice ten years all pro first team as water from. Yeah that that might be. You know when you're all pro not pro bowl. That's different but I I still have that memory at the mothership when Anthony Muna's was doing some work there at ESPN. And I used to joke with him. He's six five to seventy five. And I'd say five defensive Lineman you know I'd do with you and I do my swim move around him and he didn't know it was coming obviously and then he goes tried again. Yeah and I tried it again. And he stuck his hands his fingers into my ribs where he actually had me stop breathing and then he goes. Don't do that again. I went okay all right. Can you take your fingers off me. Yeah mccloughan the line. I remember it as as a kid was the Oakland raiders with up. Sean shall a couple of days but they all had cast on their hands cut off. I think they were all hall of famers. I don't I don't think they were Injured I think they were there to injure you three hall of Famers on now. I'm pretty good upshaw auto and our child aren't show you pretty a good example. Anthony Munoz made his first all pro when he was second year in the League. Quinton Nelson of the colts. He was first team all pro as a rookie. which is never happens like Lawrence Taylor? Maybe a couple of Earl Campbell. Maybe he's on his way to being the next Guy Quinton Nelson's a great athlete to and that's what that's the difference. Because you had these edge rushers you can't just be sort of a plotting three hundred pounder like you almost have to be a nimble. Three hundred pounder found yep to have great feat great technique and the fact that we don't. We're not really developing great lyman. The way we once did because the you know the game has changed you know. Oh you're not pulling for a sweep your pass blocking might be for two seconds because everything is short intermediate throws and it's just a different linemen linemen that you have now. Who was the best lyman in football right now? Side from Quinton Nelson because I think Clinton Nelson's on the short list of Great Offensive Lineman. Yes asked mcglone Tyron Smith and Jason Peters Eagles and the cowboys left tackle. Okay way up there. Yeah all the cowboys got serve in the conversation. For some reason I thought it was the Washington redskins with Joe Jacobi who were the first to really invest in a left tackle. And they did so because Lawrence Taylor. They'd have two tight ends. But Joe Gibbs invested in Joe Jacobi who was six six close to three hundred pounds but had some athleticism to him. Because you knew he was. The job was basically two games. Out of the year blocking Lawrence Taylor and Jacoby was a pro bowl. Linemen Gary Zimmerman played with the broncos. I think he's a hall of Famer. mclovin yeah I think he I think he is by way last year is I left. Tackle in the all pro team was actually David Tiara. Green Bay okay. Who People say is great but you were saying a couple of weeks ago? You said that they're pushing the outside guys outside in the quarterback steps in. Yeah so the interior guys are quite Nelson is important too. I think that the where the game is headed. You're going to have to have your best Lineman as your center and two guards. Because if I'm going to get pressure on you and I can do it in a quicker way. I'm going right up the middle and that means I'm going to go through your senator your two guards. They're like Aaron Donald. Yes then you know that makes him even more valuable in today's NFL. Everything all these passes are just short little pences dump office here Janklow. I'll tell you why they joey Bosa last night and Nick Bowes those guys are those guys seem to dominate a game. They they get to the edge real real quick man real quick all right eight seven seven three. DP Show email address TPS. Dan Patrick Dot Com. I'm looking at the NFL playoff picture after week. Eleven urban patriots nine one. They've got the cowboys coming up. They don't have too many real tough match chops here coming up Ravens Ravens next two games against the rams and the niners at the rams host the niners the chiefs chiefs got a bye week and then they'll host the raiders their game. Up on the raiders. Half game up the colts colts got the Texans and they've already beaten them lunch. But like this is when the Texans when the game just like when you just when you think you've figured out either one of these teams. That's when the Texans probably win buffalo seven and three and I thought you know. Ten wins was certainly a possibility for this his team. They got the broncos coming up they could have eight would-be eight and three. Texans are six and four more of in the NFC San Francisco nine and one. They got a week twelve showdown with Green Bay. That'll be spicy. Let's the packers neither idle this week. So they're second spot in the NFC Saints Welcome in the Carolina Panthers to the Superdome so they should go to nine into cowboys at six and four they just. They don't have a lot of cushion here at six and four seahawks are eight and two. So they'd be the number one wildcard team week twelve. They've got the Eagles in Philadelphia. Minnesota's also there as well but that that's sort of the playoffs situation right now after week. Eleven and let me see. What else did I have for? You mentioned Luca don-shik with a big numbers last night. It was fun to watch. James Harden Fun to watch Damian Lillard basically said me put out a tweet I think saying or he was interviewed after the game last night and he said you know. The officials are allowing James Harden to initiate contact. Check okay if you know what the system is and you feel like it's rigged for James Harden then why don't you rig the system for you is anybody else else doing with James Harden's doing and I don't mean to be an apologist for James Harden. I think what he's doing I like. We've gotten to thirty six points a game and we take that for granted. James Harden is the Modern Day Wilt Chamberlain. He can score a he could score fifty a game now he shoots a lot absolute. They're winning so you can't argue with it and I know that we're going to look at this and go. Yeah But in the playoffs even if James Harden doesn't play for an NBA title doesn't win title. He'll still go down as one one of the two or three or four greatest scores of all tongue not with total points perhaps but as far as what he's doing he might have a ten year run on that similar to what tiger did in golf of dominating now tiger one but I'm saying that when he did win he he won by impressive numbers. This says about statistics with James Harden. Because I don't know I don't I don't look at them as there are a title contender. I don't think they're great. But it's it's working here and and it's fascinating to watch because we worried about Russell. Westbrook Russ defers to James Harden as if Russell Westbrook is saying hey all praise to you man I bow down to what you do for years. We've been saying James Harden's really entertaining during the regular season but because of the warriors doesn't really mean much but she's not gonna no excuse with the warriors they're gone. They're out of the picture. It the Lakers and clippers. Do you think they're good very good. But you would think his styles thousand in business for a while. He got the guy who wanted. He's got an option to give him a break but are no excuses if he doesn't get to the finals this year. Let's say these clippers were facing the the warriors are they better than the warriors when they had durant. Let's say I take durant off that team. I got Klay Thompson. Draymond Green and Steph curry versus the clippers. Let's say this year's clippers versus golden state five years ago who you got be pretty good battle there but now you're battling with the Lakers and we assume the clippers are going to be a better team than the Lakers. But it's still early. I'm still trying to figure out what Kawais doing. It's still trying to figure out how much he's going to play. That's why can't be the MVP people keep saying you're you're talking about Lebron and the MVP quite it's not gonna be the MVP because he's not going to play games. How valuable can UB? If you miss twenty two games like he did last year valuable in the finals. Absolutely not during the regular season. Not that Lebron uh-huh would say I'll take the MVP over winning a championship again. But Lebron got bitter Chanson quite does to be the MVP Yemen Club. Those west playoffs are going to be brutal. She'll have some of these teams are have to face each other before the conference finals. Denver's in the mix. I don't know his Denver in that mix or they. They should be but watched them and they're not the same yet this years they were last year. They're they're not going to surprise. Anybody just like Portland is not surprising anybody this year and watching that game last night. You know Portland's got a great back court but it's not a great team like it was last year but still plenty anytime hall of fame ballot. Baseball's hall of fame ballot is out. I think jeter is going to be the only one going in feels like apple. Here's my dare to your question. It's a two part question. Oh this is the hot baseball question. You had. Yes ooh Oh it's par hold on. Let me get my stretch it out and fire sound effects here. Yeah let me give some flames here. All the guys across the street the art department maybe get the Ohio players playing two part question. First One's a yes. No okay okay. Is Derek jeter a first ballot hall of Famer. Yes or no yes anyone say now mclovin does he deserve to be a will. Yeah that's the second part of the question is Derrick. Jeeter in your mind if you had a vote a first ballot hall of Famer yes and then say now now. Where's the hot part? I'm saying no Oh you don't think he's a first ballot hall of fame. No because of the New York thing pumped it up too much yeah. Will he be a first ballot hall of Famer Yes. There's there's quite a few baseball writers yesterday. You said it's not popular. But he's not a first ballot hall of Fame Guy. He wasn't even even the best shortstop. Alex Rodriguez A-rod even the best shortstop in New York. I know I did use that. That argument though 'cause Yankee Janke friends or friends who you know for the gators the best shortstop I see not the best shortstop in the American league that are left side of the infield. I'd said Miguel Tejada is better than JEETER TO JANA JANA. That's still one of my favorite moments when we were Houston and For the All Star game yeah the Homerun Derby. We were out in Centerfield in the Public Address S. announcer and now batting shortstop Miguel to hate to hate going. It's hot then. We had a couple of drinks and they started doing honest I did. That's where honest announcer was birthed. Where somebody comes comes up? He's got great numbers but he's on Steroids Salo to one. That was the first time I heard you guys do. His first name. Looks like it should be pronounced g off off God. This guy hates dance guts. Here's Alex Rodriguez sale at all. I was going to say there's maybe a couple of those guys. They're yes mclovin so with the jeeter debate are we factoring. The fact that the Yankees rightfielder walls eighteen feet behind the second basement or does that count in any of this and the fact that he can hit homers. Do you bring up this argument with the Red Sox. Oh yeah this argument with anybody else for the red sox all the time like you pay. Mookie you better bring fenway with them. Otherwise you're not going to get that value. I say the Red Sox are a joke. These stats away the stats go up with the Red Sox and the same thing happens. NBA by the way you go with a coach who fires it up ten seconds in a twenty twenty four second clock. You'RE GONNA score thirty points a game. You got. Now polly's riled up and throw it out all these. Why are y'all round up people? have he stole my jeeter take. I've I've been doing that for a decade. How he thought that was? I've been doing that. JEETER's true you're asleep at the wheel this morning. I jumped it. Yeah I got so beat down by the public on that. They're going to kill you. They loved Eugenia was quote Unquote Clutch. Right that says edge. What are his numbers in the were in the play offs because okay? He hit three three ten in the regular season. He hit three hundred eight in the postseason. There's not some dramatic change. He didn't hit four twenty five and Posey. I know he had clutch hits and Clutch moments. Still pretty good though he's ever wanted an MVP. Yes but remember that time and dove into the standard bloodied. He got all bloody. That's fame where they right right there. He didn't wipe the blood off either nutty cheek. An a bloody saw. Yes mclovin how is he is a fielder. I think he was considered above average. I don't know if he was never a great fielder. Don't think so. I don't think he had a great arm. I don't know if he had great rain. Yeah I think he was. I think he was adequate. He was thinking what a couple of gold did win five. But it's probably 'cause played for the Yankees Blade New York you've got the New York factor there. It is ownership hurting his various well. You'd better get in soon because because the way the marlins are playing you know you don't want to be bad Front office go all right. We gotta take a break. Reggie Miller is calling in. 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And they're gonNA help you visit rocket mortgage dot com slash. Gen Take the first step toward the home of your dreams. Equal housing lender licensed in all fifty states and less consumer access dot org number three. Oh three Oh rockette mortgage by quicken loans rocket mortgage by quicken loans push-button get mortgage fifteen years ago tonight malice at the palace. Reggie Miller was in street clothes that night. Did you realize it was fifteen years ago wrench. No idea you know. Obviously I'm getting The Texas and the tweets and social media but You know tuned in earlier. Gee Guys broadcast and when you said aww like it's been it's been fifteen years since all that went down it it's still somewhat surreal Having been there and been in in the moment of that Because you flash back to you know things you wish would've went down. I mean I wish I would have told. Hold Rick Carlisle. Because I was as you said mentioned I was in you know cities I was in my suit I should have told. Coach Carlisle You know what it's time you get the guys out of there you know Germain Obviously Rauner test because we were up by like fifteen eighteen points with you know two or three minutes left in the game. It's under minimum. Yeah we should. We should have gotten them out of there but we were also trying to make a statement. This was a team that was defending. I champions. They were all rivals they had brought back obviously the same team. We brought back the same team but we added Stephen Jackson which was which was like perfect. Pick for a mixture of guys. So you know I get it that we were trying to make a statement on their home court that yeah you guys are the Champs and you beat this last year in the conference finals to move on and win so I get it but it got ugly real quick Theodore. I taunted Ben Wallace kind of got off a little bit here where everybody blamed Stephen Jackson and Jermaine and run our task but Ben Wallace was one of the agitators initiators in that I was a little surprised. He didn't get the lengthy six P.. Suspension that Stephen or Jemaine got Obviously see Ron was suspended for the rest of the season. There was no coming back from that but I was a little surprised at that What makes it so surreal? Is I just remember after the initial frock. Frac of happened on the court when you know Ron and and Ben Wallace without it and then referee you know after that was over. And then Ron whitten late on the scores table. That's when I came in and I was like padding ron on his chest and and you know all right it's over. It's good and then to this day theodore I can remember. I see that Red Cup flying in the air at the corner of my eye coming straight towards an hits Ron Right in the chest that was full of beer and it was like aac the incredible hulk I he turned green right there and it was like in slow motion. I was like no lawn. He burst thaw the scores table and went straight into the stands. And you know I went riding after him to try to grab him but it was too late by then because he had his mind set. Got Up on. I don't even think he knew who threw it. He just went into the vicinity of the cup and That's when it all hell broke broke loose and I went in after. I'm trying to get them and you know you know the rest rain and Ronn of Stephen Jackson he went into to the stands as it was crazy. It was absolutely crazy. What was it like though when you guys went to the boss? Were you guys worried about your safety getting out of that arena. uh-huh what's ironic is not after that game When we played them again and had to come to the palace that's when The issues of safety because people were calling in bomb threats and there was supposed to be hidden in Asan's you know it was like crazy so we he had to stay on the bus. I'm not kidding you two hours. We couldn't even go into the palace the next time we came to play the Pistons Because there were so many bomb Scares and the police. Presence was unbelievable but the rivalry was real There was a lot of respect obviously between the two teams But the rivalry was real and I think people were taking it to a different level but Certainly certainly surreal when you think. Think about it right now. How did that change the NBA? It changed fan interaction if you go to NBA Arenas now you walk into each tunnel where the players run out. You see those types that are hanging now. That's all because of what happened at the palace. You remember when Chuck Person Myself and Ron after we had gotten onto the court and we were headed towards the locker room. You remember how we were being doused with beer in coke and popcorn or whatever. Well that's when the League instituted all those tarps now Because before you would walk by and you would sign autographs or whatever hi five you throw kids your arm bands or whatever. Now they have those types there. Because of that I I just think took a little bit away from the fan experience. A little bit but it was just unreal going through the tunnel because we we were just covering ourselves in just beer and coke and whatever people doing coins it was just crazy trying to get into the locker room talking to Reggie Miller and the hall of Famer and worked for Turner Sports sees on the call with Kevin Harlan. Kristen Ludlow. That'll be pelicans sons. Ten thirty eastern on TNT coming up on Thursday. James Harden the other night scored forty nine against the timber wolves. She took forty one shots. When is when is it too much for James Harden like? Is there a number where you go. That's too many shots. It's working working. Is it going to continue it. Sustainable for him. I think it is sustainable You just hope he doesn't run out of bullets right This is a guy that says. He's not he's never into load management if he's healthy he's GonNa play and I think he needs to play to stay within rhythm You and I we've talked about. This are the rockets. You need better than they were a year ago when they had Chris Paul and other. They've added Russell Westbrook or just basically swap You do at another. Mvp Guy that you know. They're they're familiar with one another from their days You know play within against one another in Los Angeles. I think it is sustainable. we've seen is now for the last what five or six years from from James Harden so we know he you can keep up the workload. The thing is he. He's traditionally gotten tired. Come what playoff time and runs out of gas but I think having Westbrook to Kinda take the load off of him a little bit. I hope this Kinda keeps them somewhat. Fresh come playoff time but we have a law. I mean look we got another four and a half five months ago regular season basketball You hope he you hope he kinda takes some a little bit of break here that that he doesn't run you know. Start running on fumes here pretty soon. Unbelievable run that's going on. You know I like looking at him. Play it in today's Today's rules in today's game where you can't touch freedom of movement. It must be like how we felt when we had to guard his heirless and Michael Jordan. He's unguarded seriously he is. I'm not saying he is Michael Jordan but in today's game. If you have to play James it's hard. I don't know how you play play him. You can't force them left you can't force them right because you can go out of their way. He has a floater. A step back double step back three where you create separation He gets every call right so he's getting to the line ten to twelve. I don't know how you guard him. I really don't see how you got it in j you you could not guard him j you could not what you wanted to force him to shoot the jumper. MJ earlier in his career. Would he came back the first time for retirement after he had won three I might do. He had that jump. Shot what he didn't have the same bounce he had when he came back from retirement but he that fadeaway he always had that fade away in the post right. Well when he went down when he went down on the block. Thank all of a sudden over. Yeah was over. He was well at six five. You couldn't move him and he was so quick so when he faced the first step he was by. It's the same thing with harden. He faces you up. He dribbles eight times through the legs. And he's by you you and he has the strength in the size to hold you up now. Only is he by you but when you catch up. He's still strong. He's holding you. So when he's he's getting ready to take the shot you found him he's holding you and you saw him could Jordan guard harden now with today's rules yea Wow that would be a great match up. It really would cause 'cause you're talking about one of the greatest defensive players that physician ever an M J but in today's rules where the physicality has gone out the window it is. It's very difficult to guard James Harden HE I. I don't know once you flip it. Won't you know hardened guard anybody. I'm going to say a quick. No reg hardened guard would probably say a quick note to I. I think Jay would have a better chance at guarding hardened and harding would having guarding him. Tone Yeah Paul George Ed. Thirty seven against the hawks. He declared himself back. Hit the game winner against the thunder. it's going to be hard to assess this team. It feels like reg because I colli is still doing the load management thing. I don't know if we'll know how good the clippers are until maybe after December I know they're great or the potential for great but you know two guys working together for the first time I'm in a whole new team and I don't know I I'm not sure. What do you think you add? And you add Lou Williams to the mix in mantras Herald two guys coming off the bench. Who are going to have to be able to work with those other two superstars right? Look I don't think we're GONNA get the best pitcher of the clippers to me until really after the All star our break okay When you get into March April win team start seeing the light at the end of the tunnel and they can start focusing in on the play offs? I think that's when you start to get regular rotations minutes. I think both of those players will perhaps be off the load management because they're getting ready ready for the playoffs. I think what's been a little bit more Telling and upsetting for clipper fans is the clippers defense. I Look I. I had them as a top team. Defensive Team you know when you've got you know Paul George and you got quite Leonard Beverly Patrick Beverley Montrose Herald well. I thought they were going to be a much better defensive team. They're giving way too many points and Teams are you know shooting too well against them. So they're gonNA have to be better. Defensively I'm not worried about the mixture between Cli- in Paul George they'll figure it out But we won't see the best of the Clippers Committee until after the All star break. Lebron says if he's healthy is playing there's no load management. But if you were the Lakers would you try to impress upon him that we we. We want you to have load management. We want you to be ready for the second half of the season certainly at his age with that. Mileage is this a smart approach by Lebron and the Lakers. It's not a smart approach and I look I respect what I respect. What he's saying if you if you're healthy enough to to play I always felt a seventy five percent eighty percent reggie is as good as one hundred percent of any of these other jokers that I'm lining up against? That's how I always felt you've gotta they have that mindset so I respect what he's saying look to me if they take care of business and he plays twenty eight to thirty he minutes and he sits out the fourth best part of his load management. I'm sure if you look at the schedule there's going to be certain games on certain back to back. You perhaps take shake one away. I I wouldn't go as extreme as quite Leonard where he's never gonNA play in the back to backs But I think you can pick and choose looking at the schedule where you can find rest for Lebron Especially depending on who they're playing if you're playing one of these teams where you don't need his services. There are certain games that you can pick and choose where you can rest Lebron and look some of these other guys which I think are starting to play. Well like you know Caruso Calicoes menaul Alexakis back from that injury. He's starting to shoot the ball better. They're gonNA find ways to rest Lebron while these other younger players do do the load banishment of the work on the floor along with Anthony Davis. You've got pelicans. In the suns on Thursday night Any Update on Zion Williamson. I hey the timetable for him to come back is still unknown I think he has picked up his. I think he's on the floor now. Actually doing stuff but no contact but The timetable is still unknown when Zion is GonNa Return and fortunately the sons have been a pleasant pleasant surprise and they don't even have deandra Eytan hair. I like the mixture of having some veterans. There I thought they were just a team. That was way too young. And it you know they're at least They have a presence there. They're not formidable. But you know what they're competitive and let's give money Williams a lot a lot of credit here and you mentioned it. A mixture veterans. He took a bad loss last night at home versus the Celtics they had. They didn't have their floor. General Ricky Rubio He was out with back spasms. And you know you got a point guard in there that can lead these young guys to me. I've always loved the game of Devon Booker. I think he's a flat flat out the guy who can score the basketball and defend you at the other end But they do have a lot of young players so if Rubio is back on Thursday I I think it makes them a different team. They're definitely one of my surprise teams out the way they're able to score the basketball. They're shooting the basketball at high clip They didn't show that last night versus the Celtics but again not having Rubio out there on the floor. I think really affected them. If he's back on on Thursday versus the public hearings on look for A better outing from the sons. We mentioned this. A while ago on the show mclovin in his first date one of his states states with his now wife he went to a psychic. We were talking about how psychics you know. They give you that random question where they go. Does anybody in the room have a dog. You know and gone gone. He can read our minds. You ever been to a psychic. I've never been to a second I I. I'm a little spooky for me to do that. Because you're right. I don't now if there. Because if they're real meat walking in the door they already know my whole life story and that would freak me out so No I've I've never been to a psychic or you know a palm reader I'm just not into that thing because it's a little too. It's it's too spooky for your boy. Where are you superstitious? Very very very very grew up in the church so we look at mine readers and those type of people of the Devil Theodore. Did you sing in the choir. Reg I did not think the choir. I can't hold it note now. I will tell you this I am Luther Vandross in shower don't get me wrong. I tune in the shower. You Skinny Luther or Whoa. Wow if I close my eyes. Yeah yeah no catch it not living the come on. Isn't that take you back. Are you a three point shooter. Then Luther was a singer I might be the Luther van. Yeah I have no idea. What the hell that means? But we'll ended at that Have Fun in Phoenix Reg. Thanks for joining us here. When I love the Dan you all the Best Reggiana wishes Miller junior third? We'll take a break last call for phone calls what we learn. What's in store tomorrow back after this? Let's be honest. Is Your family and friends. Love receiving gift cards for the holidays. And what better way to give them what they really want. Happy Cards happened cards. Make giving personal gift cards easy and stress free by helping you give the gift of choice when you give happy cards. You're lucky love one can use them. 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Week 11 Preview, Packers-Seahawks Recap

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Week 11 Preview, Packers-Seahawks Recap

"Gee, sweet by Google cloud is a suite of cloud based productivity tools that includes g mail doc slide sheets and drive. You can make real time updates to the same document without having to keep track of multiple versions. And since all the tools are cloud based your whole team can access the same document and work on the same page at the same time make it with G suite by Google cloud to find out. Visit jeez sweet dot com. Toss to Jones running. What a start for the Packers. Now. Third down in. Baldwin touchdown blitz. Coming off the past. Dixon, perfectly laid out there by Russell Wilson. Twenty seven twenty four Seahawks over the Packers. I'm Greg Rosenthal alongside my fellow scientists Chris Wessely we're going to send it over to Dan hand this and Mark sesame and preview all the week eleven games in just a bit. But first we gotta talk about what felt to me like the first game of the end of the season. Like this was the first game where it it's a little cold there. It's two teams on the ropes. It's a really great back and forth matchup of tween too. Great quarterbacks. It was the first game of the season that felt late to me and the Packers ended up coming up really small at late in this game. Yeah. It was also a loser goes home game. And sure mathematically, the Packers aren't out of it. And you know, you can if you're a Packers fan, you can talk yourself into the run the table. I for the first time, I'm out. I agree with you McCarthy's got to go. The game management was horrendous. From the neglecting to challenge Tyler lock. It's thirty five thirty four yard completion. That ended up with the game winning touchdown to Ed Dickson. A couple of plays later to punting with four minutes left and just one time out remaining which meant Seattle could just pick up two first downs and end the game to the disconnect with his quarterback and situational football. Aaron rodgers. I have never in all my time watching football begged a quarterback to take a check down until this game. And Rogers just refused to take a check down and that situational football. I don't know how much of that is on his cock Scher Imperatore impr- improvise. I don't I can't say we're federalizing his playing style or or McCarthy's stale offense where the receivers just aren't open. I don't know. But Aaron Aaron Jones was open for check downs. He was at a couple of the late drives. It was a tough second-half for Aaron Rodgers. He said I'm the final throw. He threw into the dirt wide open receiver on third. Into that the ball kind of stuck to his hand on that play. And you would love to see McCarthy gopher. And that's why I do think McCarthy is going to get replaced the soothing. They don't make the playoffs is it's not just that they blow the time outs or you don't call the challenges. And you know, you're county on these isolation routes in these young receivers to get open on their own. It's that you don't have a feel of your own team. You don't have a feel of the game. That's in front of you the two previous drives at the Seahawks. Had they went up and down the field in through the Packers. Like, they weren't even there. They were down four starters. Total going into the game. The Packers defense lost Mike Daniels in this game. They lost Brienne laid lost another reserve safety in the game. They Kenny Clark was in and out at the end of the game. And so that's why okay we need to yards. Let's trust Aaron Rodgers. And I've made this point before on the podcast. But if you don't get the two yards, your defense that you think could get a three and out can still get a three and out and try to force them to to kick a longer field goal. So. That killed me. But it also killed me as someone who is wanting the Packers to make a run here to see their offense only score three points on five possessions in the second half. And in some of that was on Rogers. I gotta admit this is a game where he made two of the best throws you'll see all season in a few other great plays. But also like you mentioned was taken too many Saks holding onto the ball too long in a certain that's right house rooting for because I locked them up with not a good sign for any team. These days. A certain segment of Packers Twitter, and their fan base has been saying this all year that has been an issue and that we've been overrating Rogers, and maybe we have. And maybe that's a byproduct of watching condensed on game pass that we don't see situational football as much because this has been an issue, and I've been calling it nebulous things like they seem to be able to move the ball at will until they can't. But that's situational football. And it's a problem. Well, he also through thirty passes for three hundred thirty two yards two touchdowns. No interceptions. I you know, you. He was spectacular. Yeah. For for say, you can't look past that first and second downs. He was he was spectacular in Aaron Jones to get eighty eight yards and two touchdowns in the first half and become an afterthought right in the game. That's what I mean. It's it's third into in that late situation in you, don't you that should be four downs. You you've been saying the the saints advantage because they're playing with four downs. You're telling me Aaron Jones wasn't going to pick up two yards. If they run the ball. And one of the run it lays or run it on either of those two plays. But you do have to give the see how these just now getting used to Mike McCarthy is just now getting used to playing Andrew Jones. He's not yet ready to Aaron them. Yeah. Yeah. Aaron Jones he's not ready to give him the ball with the game on the line. There was a lot going on in this game. There were some crazy calls by the officials huge missed pass interference call and Bobby Wagner. Just absolutely huge there. There was the missed challenge that maybe maybe McCarthy didn't get the good look at it. And there were some rough throws by Russell Wilson. But there are also some beautiful throws when it really mattered in the fourth quarter, including on the play before the long throw to lock it. Which was also very nice the one that that didn't get overturned. He made a gorgeous throw on third and nine to lock it in tight coverage. And that that's what six and a half minutes left. It's a key part of the game. That's a beauty third and nine on the goal line. He knows just what to do when he sees the formation. That's for the game winning touchdown. So you have to give Wilson. And their defense. A lot of credit after falling down fourteen three and it almost could've been seventeen nothing early. For coming back in the final three quarters and really being the better team. There was the David Moore play that got challenged. And even though it appeared that the ball is jostling between his chest and arm the entire time. They they did not they still call it a completion. And that one I guess could have gone either way. It looked incomplete to me but Seattle got the bricks in this game. But that's this is why this why love the NFL. And this is why. This is the best time of year because these two teams they're not gonna win in the Super Bowl this year. But they gave us an entertaining gave us a lot. There were so many different places throughout the game. Good bad, everything that you could have gotten into. And I know you say they're the Packers are done in. Yeah. Of course, they're probably done. They also play the Vikings next week. So if they beat the Vikings, are you telling me they're done. I don't know. That's a conversation probably for next game management and situational football. I think they're done. I'm just saying game away. If you beat the Packers the Vikings next week, are you done? I don't think they're problems can be solved they seem to be philosophical and deeply ingrained. Well, maybe. Aaron Rodgers and Packers fans are taken one for the team this year. And it'll be a better day when Mike McCarthy gets replaced in the off season. But until then we gotta look ahead. We gotta look to week eleven in for that. Let's send it over to Danny boy around the NFL jazz, Dan, Greg west more. Welcome to another edition around is not cast. My name's Dan has joined in a room filled with heroes. Mark Cecil Chris Wesley hand, Greg Rosenthal. What he's up. What he's Hayden. Right off the top a little bit of breaking news. Breaking news. The NFL media holiday party for the first time ever in all the years. We've worked at the company. It's going to be a plus one could bring a date how about that. That's going to be a fun day. Long-overdue? Are you all bringing dates? Absolutely. Are you? Why don't you? I wanna go baby we walk there. So I would think she would be out for why not. But you never know Wes you in Lakisha could actually bring another couple censored. That's what we decided to get into. Wow. You have a plus to Hollywood have somebody special deaf. Hell personal. No, not as a plus one. You bring somebody special. Yeah. Yeah. Partial personal because you're you're driving. Because she's alone. There's a bit of. Yeah. Little bags though. I didn't need to do that. You can bring a friend, by the way. Yeah. Do you have friends a lot of good looking friends too? But you've been hurt. Yeah. I did. I I've been in that before if you break up right before Christmas, it is I wouldn't work. I wouldn't wish worst enemy Erica. Thanks, dan. I know guys who broke up with their girlfriends back in the day just to get out of buying a gift as a bad guy. Guys did that Ricky this is the better way to look at it. Because I don't want you to be sad or lonely holiday season. Maybe with this time that we have the parties in about a month, cultivate, something and then all of a sudden time that party hits your he kinda in the early stages of a beautiful new relationship. Yeah. That's that's the plan. I got a, you know, got a G suite set up already with perspective. Not nothing would be better for very early stages of any relationship than to introduce that person to all of us and everyone at work. Nothing could be well, I mean, this whole party this whole situation. I think it's a smart move by the league because I know it probably costs more and all that business, but would definitely a lot. But it's gonna put a massive lid on. What would be the one of the drunk is nights of the year for many, many people? Now, you you can't operate in that fashion for the most part, we got everyone. But I'd say that a large portion of people are gonna be like, oh, it's time to go guys. We've been going on there. Mark for eight years late. Why don't you think if you have people there like on your significant other in in a more loose fees? I just think that when it's just there's a little bit of an edge to these parties when it's just the employees, and there was also anger that you're never allowed to bring a guest, and you'd go there and people with there'd be nothing to do that. You've already talked to these people all day long, then to get simply hammered beyond comprehension. Now, there's a whole extra layer of. Unbound. How I think we'll be I think you'll be able to overcome this ops. Okay. Hammered gone, comprehension. We've Mark when you do it. We've had a I won't say who the person is. But they've been on this podcast before TV -ly. Really? I've had to put somebody in a cab because they got a little out of control. We once left a man on the side of the road slumped at a bus stop because it was just to go. Notice. We were the responsible ones in both situation leaving people out of Busta navy not so much in that one. But in the first one we helped the presence of Emily and Simone will keep the sizzler in the zoo, sir in check a little bit. I just I think that's not a bad thing. But I do see reality. You heard right at the top of the show Wes and Greg the scientists breakdown Packer Seahawks. But that's not all we're going to talk about today. We have the rest of week eleven to dig into as we preview the last slave games before thanksgiving and everybody knows everybody knows dog the season on the starting to after thanksgiving, which some levels is completely malarkey. But also it does get real after thanksgiving. But this is a big week, Greg because these are the weeks teams that are kind of hovering maybe a game under at five hundred. They put themselves on a really bad position. If they lose. Lose at this stage of season start to fall further behind that five hundred by thanksgiving bit dog. You can't you can't be like, hey, it's post thanksgiving were to in nine right, but their season never exist. Yeah. Never happened. They were never in the mix. You're right after thanksgiving. You can start. That's when you can start crossing some of these teams off when the games field. Awesome way before things. Yeah. That feels late to me four and six, you know, five and seven there's no coming back from these type of things. So you gotta get dubs and we're going to go through all these teams including some teams that are in that danger zone. You know, maybe there's some loser goes home matches where we're gonna do it all that's all we do. Let us start with the early games as we always do we like to go in order here. Because that gives structure structure is important. Gotta make sure to leave a lot of time for because these ending games. The two primetime games this week, I'm digging. There's a couple that we can spend a little time onto the best too. So I was just talking about it here. We are the four and five Dallas Cowboys and the four and five Atlanta Falcons. Mark. And the Cowboys are coming off perhaps their biggest win of the season. They won't go on the road on Sunday night football. When you think they're dead after they lose two straight games, and they beat the eagles, and they beat him convincingly. But here are the falcons who we all like offensively. But that that lost last week to Cleveland really knocked a lot of wind out of their self. I thought that was an absolutely killer defeat for Atlanta. And now, right you have no wiggle room. And it's the quintessential four four and five I four and five team the loser. This is in hot water one thing about Atlanta last week because they have been so consistent good on offense. And they got their yardage, but they didn't get their points and Cleveland did a nice job in that game of shutting down big plays with their zone defense. And now you go and face a Cowboys number three overall scoring defense that I've you is completely legitimate. And they're well coached and Matt Ryan. And I know some of these are. Historical, and we don't care about the the historical business, but he is one and eleven verse top three scoring defenses. It's at home that helps a lot. They're not. They're not the same team on the road the falcons, that's that's another historic element. But which of these two teams that you trust more because I right now, our I agree with you. I cannot go Atlanta right now who do you trust of these? I mean trust the falcons because a week ago at this time we were all burying the Cowboys pouring gasoline on him saying, they were an absolute mess and for the most part. The falcons offense is is what they've been the same the whole season. It wasn't the best game in Cleveland. But I I don't think it was embarrassing. And I think there are better team. And certainly a better offense than the Cowboys. Who who we saw it for one week? But now they're going to begin the falcons defense. It's going to have Dion Jones back. That's pretty big deal. Everyone said, okay. The falcons defense. It's the injuries. That's why. Well, Ricardo Allen's been replaced by. Devante KC who's played as well as Ricardo Allen is gonna play. He's played great Dion Jones is now back who's kind of the key in that mix. So right now, you really down Kiana Neil. They haven't been good defense. But they should be better. Especially at home. I want to see if the Cowboys offense is different now. I mean, you said two weeks ago we didn't trust him. Well, I'm Maury Cooper came in and opened up this offense. He opened up room for Zeke, Elliot, he's getting open almost every route on the outside. And this is a different offense. Now. So I do trust a Cowboys more the falcons wanna play shootouts in that dome. Cowboys wanna slow the game down. It'd be an interesting contrast and stop it is because it's an offense defense matchup. We've talked about a lot this year. I mean, this is the ultimate like good offense versus good defense teams. Because because the Cowboys do have a good defense. I don't know how far that gets you this kind of screams to me to things like we're talking about. We love the falcons at home at least. And Matt Ryan is having as good a season as he's had including the MVP campaign. However Ziga Elliott was excellent on Sunday night. And now he's going into a dome. And he's going to face a team. Can't stop the run. I would not be surprised if we get a Zeke Elliott that even surpasses what he did against the eagles. Maybe one hundred seventy five yards in total offense in that range. If the Cowboys can get that type of performance, they could be pretty much anybody. And that's kind of what where I see this game heading. I l it's gonna have another monster game in the Cowboys win. I think to West Point they since they acquired Cooper they've gone from twenty ninth to fifteenth in passing yardage, and they're able to now use they've done this a lot more of the last two weeks three wide receiver sets to help disguise other stuff. They're doing you're more functional offense than you were in. He's good. He's looked fine. And that's the key part in this. Great matchup. The quarterback is is such a mismatch. I did want to mention in this game. Just because it's the Cowboys that Jane Slater had a report on Travis Frederick this week. You know, the center that's been on injured reserve that he's just now getting feeling back in his fingers, and he's still has no feeling in his feet, which is credible. That this is not. A bigger story or I guess, it's just something you're not gonna know about it's a strange syndrome. But it's it's pretty sad. One of the best players in the league for months, he has not had feelings in his fingers feet. Let us move on gentlemen. The Cincinnati Bengals who really let's face. It got humiliated in their own building by the saints who drop a fifty burger on them. But they're still five and four for all the you know, we dismissed the angles, but that was a five and three team. So they're still okay at five and four. But now they got go get a win. And they're going to be facing a desperate freefalling ravens team west. And we don't even know as the time recording this podcast who's going to be the quarterback for for the ravens is that going to decide who wins the game too. You know, I think to me this is a test for the ravens if their offense can't get right at home against this crumbling defense. I'll stop saying they're better than the record. But to me it's clear that they'd November rave? Wins even off a three game losing streak or a much better team than the current iterating of the Bengals. Well, I don't think we'll see Joe. It would be surprising at this point. Joe flacco played so Lamar Jackson missed practice on Thursday with a stomach issue. There were some thought by Ian Rapoport are insider that some sort of games are being played here. John harbach. Join the fact that no one seems to know who the starter is my gut feeling is we'll see plenty of Lamar Jackson in RG three in in this game. And I think the ravens are a better team that their defense is the best group on the field. And they they can win. No matter who's at quarterback. I feel like you could put raggedy and under center she put up forty points on this Bengals defense right now. They absolutely devastated in the course of like fifteen minutes last week against the against the saints. And it's not like flacco is a guy that was tearing up the world in the last four or five weeks. Anyway, so it's not the worst thing to see what happens if you put a different quarterback under center. Just better are those guys whatever it will be. Are they prepared for the moment? Because this is your thrusting him into a middle of a playoff race when they haven't had really much work at all. Well, Marx statement about raggedy and inspired me to lock up. The ravens in this game. I don't care who's under center. The Bengals you're just not what? But so we've seen the Bengals for a long time. We have not seen the Bengals with Hugh Jackson in a long time. So maybe. No, he's working with the defense to that doesn't he's working with the defense. Yeah. Oh, cry merrily. He's helping Marvin Lewis on the taking. Taking Bengals biggest problem to me. Or at least the the most that they've changed their offense. I mean, they were a really good offense early in the year. And now they've gone sub mediocre. They looked pretty poor last week overall. Even though Joe mixon is back and looked looks great offensive line is not playing well, and they miss Tyler. What's degreen staff? Don, unlikely not happening. Not practicing. That's going to be tough. They're in trouble. There are a lot of trouble west. I think you're in good in good shape there with your lock of the week. Let's move on the Carolina Panthers. Six and three got humbled ate some humble pie. Thanksgiving humble by good ref early. Thanksgiving. They got a fifty Berber burger dropped on them. But here's a here's a good way to get healthy of play the lions who stopped showing up the last three weeks of the season, Gregg. So here's a battle between two former number one overall picks, and we asked on Wednesday show in the mail bag section is messed effort good. Well, Matt severed to win a game and keep your team in convention contention. This is go win a football game. It's a team sport though. You know a game. It's a quarterback position. We say what's the Vince Lombardi, quote, Wes, go winning if you're a superstar if you're one of the highest paid player ever said that. Party quote. I mean, he I didn't think what is the quote that. I'm referring to if football is the ultimate team game. It's the best game in the world except for one factor. The glaring imbalanced. The quarterback is way too important. Okay. In this game, though. I don't think there's got served gray. Not really not like what you said. S game. I don't think that the Panthers have some gigantic quarterback EJ though. It's just the two quarterbacks are are in the same ballpark of football game and one team way. But I didn't think Stafford play that battle with the offense of line was terrible. This team is so different without Marvin Jones on the field. They have they had like one hundred eighty pound guy never heard of couldn't get open against man coverage last week. And I think the panther's game was a little bit of a fluke. I already made my that my lock of the week. But this lions team it's one of the as one of the worst teams in the league. We've kind of been thinking they're in the mix because they were three and three football outsiders. They're below the Browns. They're twenty ninth in the league, and they were close to that even before this three game stretch. And so even though I can't lock it up. I know the Panthers are favored in this game in. And I think this is not gambling advice. No, no. Even though the Panthers are favored. This is going to be something. I'm calling my rainmaker of the week right there. Now, it's gotta just be rated down money. If you believe in the Panthers. Doesn't people can Jack up that spread better? Not I'm shocked that it's not significantly more. 'cause 'cause I and I think it's because of the Panthers were just on national television got wiped out, but that was a fluky game journey look in the mirror on the Joneses. A knee injury. Not practicing this week. Darius lake coming back for many injury. They missed him terribly last week. And I know that Stafford isn't getting much help. But he's also walking into some sex now to holding the ball too long and just walking right into the whatever. Jim Bob cooter was doing that was getting people excited JBC no longer Cougars. Not really don't you work orders out. Don't you think may I up. He was. I feel like the other the new coach probably coerced him into running something a little bit different this year. Maybe I don't know. But it's it's not working. This has all the makings, and again, I would lock this up. But I don't think I could look in the mirror of a very good Panthers team that got embarrassed on national television is now going to take it out on an inferior team week. It doesn't matter where they're being the playing. I think this is a two to three score. In this game. It's a total rainmaker rainmaker bring the rain. The lions are totally four Qabail bit of nonsense of this point. But the only thing is I don't just look at the Panthers and give them a total mulligan against for that Steelers. They could not get too Big, Ben. He was perfection. He like the entire that's the best. The Steelers have looked in a long time. And this Panthers defense, which you know, if you don't watch much use assume it's the same Panthers defense, not at all. They gave a lot of grief when they weren't in the top ten defensive lines back in the summer. I remember Panthers fans players coaches that got at me after that. Where yet now you're twenty fourth in efficiency football ciders. That's where they're at. Let's move on the Tennessee side tunes writing to game winning streak, and they just spanked the defending conference champion patriots. And now, here's another challenge. They gotta go to Indianapolis Colts team that is playing extremely well. Mark sessile with a quarterback who's you know, a lot of west. If you had on your list number one, I believe comeback player of the year ranked us what about envy p. I mean is he playing at this level this now we've talked about you guys always asked me tight Tuesday tunes. Should I be calling them titans? I like this. You you run a three game winning streak together. And you take down Andrew luck. Who's playing at the height of his powers right now. I'll give you some respect on Sunday night. Go do it your you need that to happen that that would formerly lip the switch. Here's okay. That makes this game. More interesting to me. I wanna see it happen. This is the west game of the week. This is this is a different kind of west of us this game to get the team of west yell to Colt. And you know, the titans who I've been, you know, been on most of the time for the past three or four years. If you are let me unlike Todd Bowles in New York, and there's others to these defensive-minded coaches who are defense aren't even very good. Mike rebel has the number one scoring defense in the last forty seven forty eight teams to finish with the number one scoring defense made the playoffs. So if they hang around with that, they need to be the second team to not do that which would be a high embarrassment or they would he season though, it enough gave all the other team that did that they've never left their homes after just too much seventy seven falcons they've been in their house for forty something. It is a great test because they're coaching staff. Really did do the job against the patriots. They scrambled Brady's brains. I'm more than I think they really did anything physically. And that's the interesting thing about the titans. They don't have a lot of guys. Having standout years. I think the secondary's playing well Dory. Jackson, Kevin buyer and everything. Kenny Vaccaro having had even cars, the secondary is very solid other than Malcolm Butler struggles. But can they get the colts offense out of rhythm? Because if there was a metric for rhythm like tempo that the colts to me are the number one team in the league in terms of he get luck gets to the back of his drop. Any throws the ball. He I think they lead the league in that. They have such tempo guys are open. So it's not the offense of line. I don't think that's changed as much as he's the balls out. So quickly to wide open guys. And they do have the fastest pace in the league. There is a stat for that. So they are playing fast and defenses. Don't know what to do. This is what we've waited for for the first time in earth history. Andrew luck is protected. Well, and that's been that's been the issue all along. I think that kind of snuck up on everybody a little bit the colts now being held as having the best offensive line potentially in football. Ball. I don't feel like people were talking about that in August or the summit at solved. And so it show it goes to show you how quickly those hoe-chang can come together and how quickly like in Dallas it can fall apart. But it's so vital to the game member though that series. I had to write where I had to pitch why every team in the league would make the playoffs. And I wrote the colts won and talked about some of the offensive line rebuilding. And just got lashed on Twitter. I'm going to find those tweets start responding to those people angrily the minute this show as your way of saying that you knew the colts offense of line was going to turn it around. I mean, I had to argue that every team would make the playoffs. So there's a lot. I don't know luck is helping them out too. Because he's a smarter. I think he came back from this injury. Almost like I wrote about this in the QB index this week. It's almost like he thought about what type of quarterback he wanted to be when he came back from being on the sidelines for two years, and he's changed the type of quarterback. It does not hold the ball that long does not use his legs nearly as much. But when he does he moves in the pocket like he's young Philip rivers in them titan. Spins better than that better in that. Yes, tunes says no this that so I won't belabor it. But Andrew luck is nine and oh in his career against the Tennessee football club. So they're trying to break some history there, and let's move on the Pittsburgh Steelers six two and one not many teams that footballer playing as well as this ball club right now that doesn't have lady on bell. They will not have on Bill. But who cares because they're doing it? All anyway. And now they traveled to Jacksonville in their catching Jacksonville team last that I would say, oh, they're dangerous and there they gotta say their season, but I don't think matters anymore. I think they've lost too many games there. Now three and six they've lost six of seven. And it's at the point where Steelers get to beat up on maybe a dead team here. These two teams are going full speed in such drastic different directions. That nobody even is talking about the fact that the Jaguars owned the Steelers last year, the coaches had the Steelers coaching staff number. In those matchups, and it doesn't even matter because the Jags are not nearly as physically tough this year as they were last year for net came back and was the offense of focal point last week. Average two point two yards per carry behind an offense of line with third string tackle. And now they're starting center is out for the season. And they have so many coverage bus on defense. I just don't think this is nearly the same Jaguars team that gave the Steelers all they can handle more last year. It was telling to me that for net was not in the game when they were trying to win it. It was TJ Yeldan and even Carla side a little bit. And I know they're playing in hurry up at the end of the game. But Yeldan was the one making some play on that drive that had them set up. Pretty good position to either beat the colts or at very least send it to overtime. If not for a nice play by Kenny more. But you mentioned the miscommunication. They really miss AJ. Boy, I don't know if that's Mactizan the ES practicing. I don't know if that's a missing piece, but they've had so many busloads. Jalen Ramsey isn't playing nearly as well. It just feels like maybe Kosice such a talented outstanding player that just the just such a loss season. It seems Jacksonville the frustration. Probably weighing down the guys. This is how bad they've been in these last five games all losses. They're giving up almost twenty nine points of game. This is a stork historically great defense last year almost twenty nine points a game and only scoring fourteen. So they're getting beat beat soundly on a near weekly basis. You don't see like the identity of team with up advantage this quickly? It happened so rapidly. There's just seems like a lot of infighting. It's a young team. And when things go wrong, sometimes this is what you get and on the opposite side not to go back to that Steelers panther's game. But the Steelers scored on seven of the first eight possessions, they looked awesome doing it's not just the star players guys. Like Vance McDonald or making plays. They're getting good tight end work like they can perp protecting Big Ben, so well, I just I don't there peaking at the right time in the Jaguars are absolutely spiraling of. Ben, mark. And I handled the recap last year we have the scientists have the opportunity I'd like to hear some seep homes about Ben Rothlisberger. Because the guy was absolutely brilliant last week. And he's he's playing he's not gonna win every he never seems to be in that conversation, but he's playing outstandingly. Well right now. Well, d- d- picture. The Steelers offense is unstoppable. Close to it. When his last night, right? I feel like we picture the saints. Chiefs in Rams is unstoppable. And those are the only three offenses in the league averaging more points per game than the Steelers. I think that we can it's easy to clump. This like the Steelers have been doing this for a long time. So it's not new it is from the chiefs. It is relatively new from the Rams, and they they had first impressions mean so much and they had a bad first quarter of the season. I think if I was doing those power rankings to me there right there with the saints as the best team in the league right now would be number two to me. Because kind of the reason why I stuck with the eagles for much last year. They were the answer. If you ask like who who has the best combination of offensive line defensive line? Who has the best line play in the NFL? And I think the Steelers are the answer to that this year in terms of full sides of the ball. They're just kinda man-handling teams week after week. I think the saints are in that discussion. Yeah. But the Steelers the one disagreement I've had with PF this year the most. Has been on Ben Rothlisberger. Great. I think he's been playing well for most of the season, and they have him as a blow average quarterback is he getting killed because of like, you know, in the opener five turnovers yet a couple games where he's turning the ball over. But then that is big bend. Sometimes I heart and parsing really, well, he's slimmer than he's been. I think he's more Atlantic than it was last year. And I think he's playing well the ten QB index. I know you trust that I do trust the QB. Good good article this week one of your best of the season. There you go. That's when the scientists are working together when they're starting to pitch each other's written work site. It's just very beautifully. I have to give up with this bracket rainmaker segments. Just blowing my mind, let's thaws here. The listen to some fine words from our sponsors. Finding address shirt that fits is nearly impossible. Something's always off the collar, or of course, Mark the sleeves. Oh, for sure thankfully, ordering a custom fit shirt has never been easier with proper cloth. At propercloth dot com. You can easily create a custom shirt size and seconds by answering. Ten simple questions. Choose from over twenty collar styles. 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It is a moment over new Jodi felony moment. Jason light who seems like floaty effectively a perfectly nice guy. You saw them on hard knocks. He's worked hard to get to where he has. He has to be wondering in his office alone during these weeks. How did I get here with a three and seven team starring rot. Starting Ryan Fitzpatrick at quarterback not the guy took number one overall, which isn't good at really on either side of the ball at this point. And I'm just waiting for this season to end. I mean, it's the worst of all possible counterfeit areas counterpoint. Yes, he knows. He's saying I can't believe this is how it turned out. There were people that were saying when he made that draft pick. Maybe you should take this guy because he might bang you in the end, and that is looking like what's going to happen? Sure. And I also think Dirk cutter, and we we've heard them here you. You know, made the situation worse. Now, if Ryan Fitzpatrick had just kinda played out and return back to his level, which I think we can agree. He has over the last two weeks. Then you would have switched the Jameson. You would've just watched him play and whatever at least you're seeing Davis play. Now, you're stuck in this weird in between. It's like why are they even playing anymore? My game notes from last week L missed every sentence starts with fits back in red zone. Fits back in red zone. Back in red zone. Why isn't Alex Smith in the red zone? Why isn't Alex Smith into red zone? Why isn't Alex Smith? I mean, the this was one of the luckiest wins for the Redskins and one of the unluckiest for the bucks. That said, I totally agree. It's a wasted season in Tampa. And you have to wonder what's going on there? It's directionless they had five hundred yards of offense. But they had two picks. Two lost fumbles misfield goals. I mean, it was you're not going to get that every week. No matter. What happens they although they wait in four turnover games where they fall behind. Right. But it's not just Ryan Fitzpatrick. It's also, Jamie. It would be any better just amplified by bad luck. If they if they know they're ready to move on from James Winston, which we don't know. Whether that's the case, then keep him on the bench. But if you're kind of on the fence is an organization put them back in at a certain point. That's my viewpoint at this may not be EM sensation. I got the reason why benched because switz- Patrick probably never should have been taken out. But if they're gonna keep losing Fitzpatrick's gonna throw for four hundred yards. But the team's losing if you want to see whereas Winston ad. They probably see where he's going to be at as you head into the offseason. Fitzpatrick obviously isn't the answer. They probably will some point. Let's give a lollipop by the way for him out to Oto Beckham. We never really talk about Beckham anymore. Right. Gets talked about planning a great season. Not on the show this year. Not on this show. Pointy back to just say as incredible he's back from that injury. And he's playing great. He's incredible and Kwame Barclay on pace for two thousand yards which is great for God. Plan behind the terrible line. In doesn't always hit the right hole. That's true. That's true. Giants to me. They are the most talented skill position to win team. I've ever ended. They're the most talented skill position to in team you've ever seen. They are so much more talented than the record. Let's move on the Houston Texans. Love this Texans team. The jets are dead to me you really wanted to move on from that game. There was a lot more to attack between those two. This is a great week. You got the jets on by the bills on by you got the dolphins on by the AFC then by. Good. I mean, especially this hiatus and you get the forty Niners out of the mix. That's nice. This is a nice peaceful football Sunday coming up for the old soocer and the team that he has gravitated toward he being me is. In this one six in a row and on the forget about I'm not even to try to build this up. I'm gonna start riding in the Texans. I'm locking them up. They're going to field face first place the Redskins team. But I don't I don't believe in the skins. I don't even if they were healthy. I don't really necessarily believe in the skins certainly think that have only Rable and can be beaten in their own building a building where nobody seems to even cheer for them. That's that's a subplot going on right now doesn't show up for them. So I'll throw to you to get started here, Mark. But I just wanna throw it out there that the Texans as long as they keep winning. I'm going to keep riding him. I think that thing that I'd say is encouraging for the Redskins because we go weird somewhat. How massively injured banged up. They were on the offensive line that it didn't turn into a total disaster in that game. I think Alex Smith was sacked twice and they were able to run the ball. And so you kept some you kept it together to some degree on offense. But now like, obviously, the situation is JJ. What Jehovah and cloudy and really that to me is the matchup. They've got to find a way to keep a lid on what Houston can do on defense against them. I don't see this as a runaway scenario for the for the Texans at all the or do I this this is you can look yourself in the mirror on this long. Yeah. I just I liked the Texans. They've shown that they can win close games had blown out some teams. They're just in a good spot right now coming off a bye. So they're going to be what I love about about the opportunity that Washington has is you've got Dallas on the road in Atlanta. You have Philly which is very close to death. If they cannot beat the saints. You have a chance to go up by three games in the NFC east. Those teams don't pull it off. Can you picture the Redskins at seven and three? That's the other reason. I just don't see it. I hear you. But I mean, well, this would be the best team. Houston has beaten all year. Two most impressive wins are the colts. Cowboys. And they didn't even play well in the Cowboys game. They yeah, they've won. They've won a lot of close games. They're they have great players. So that's kind of covered up including that the offense Negra Kareem Jackson who is killing at cornerback this year and have one of the hardest hitting cornerback games. I've seen in years against the Broncos say Lamar Miller I got excited. No, no, no Honey badgers play in plain well under under hopkins's playing. So well that in that Broncos game when they're at third in one they're not thinking about Lamar Miller. They're thinking the percentage play is going to deandre Hopkins on Chris Harris who's one of the best quarterbacks in the league. And you know, what they're right. He wins that matchup like he's doing whatever they need him to do. Which is now kind of move move the chains to predictions for you real quick here. Number one. This will be the game where the lead changed this stat that starting to become tedious is over air. You know, this is the one if they get through this game without a lead change it sets the all time record this. It's not happen. And burn to the injury. That is going to haunt Washington. In this game is Dustin Hopkins kick are still dealing with a groin injury. They're bringing in brownies off the street as potential a mode emergency scenario that that these these were Redskins are in these tight games all the time. Please here's something that says it all about this Redskins offense with Alex Smith who. I had high hopes on the skins offense. I thought they wouldn't skip a beat with them. 'cause I got sucked in by Smith's performance for most of last year in Kansas City. But here you go from next gen stats. Alex Smith on twenty five plus yard air yard passes last year. He had twenty one completions. Over fifty one percent. Completion percentage a thousand yards. Ten touchdowns. No picks. One thirty six passer eighty this year at the Redskins. And of course, the weapons are different. It's a different team. And all that. But this is striking four completions. Twenty two percent completion percentage. One hundred seventy one yards one. Touchdown one interception and his pass rating sixty two that element of Alex Smith that was made him so exciting for a period last year is gone. And it makes them very boring offense. It's not coming back. He has to load up before he throat before he throws anything outside. They've been injured. But they their personnel is is not great did the two quarterbacks here. I remembered the Shawn Watson got some comparisons to Alex Smith in the build up to the job, and I can still kind of. See that. I feel like the Shawn Watson is a rich man's younger. Alex Smith, I feel airy here quarterback. He's very good kind of bailing out after his first reads taken away, and then making a play anyways, which is Alex Smith Mehta wasn't the whole thing on him that he had all these would be interceptions last year. This year. I would say he's played very safely. Not not a lot of not a lot of dazzled to his game this year. But he's he's made good decisions quickly. Let's take a check in with the Oakland Raiders riding a five game losing streak there. One and eight that travel to the farm to face the cardinals two and seven. So this is a real stinker three and fifteen combined record west while we're here. Let me just ask you your thoughts. So far on Josh Rosen. I don't really have any. I mean, he's he's been blah. The cardinals offense is terrible. Their offense of line is one of the worst in the league. They don't have a running game. It's almost impossible to even grade. Josh Rosen this year. Incomplete you say, yes, I would say incomplete he's made enough throat. Impressive throws that that just kind of keeps you going that you're excited to see some really nice throws with accuracy and timing. That are not easy throw. So he's he's mixed in a few of those per week and other than that, I would agree with I would say that he is like Trubisky last year in golf the year before you can't valuate him because you need a new coach or someone to come in and rewire the whole thing. Get an offense of lying a running game get receivers he has he has no support. So this would be a good week for him to make some noise. It's also a good week for Chandler Jones to challenge the single game sack record against Coton Miller who can't block anyone and Chandler Jones destroyed. Eric Fisher last week Chandler Jones is would be I maybe he has a first team. All pro anyways. He's playing that. There's a lot of guys who were up there. One of the only people that's really gotten into the Nesta Patrick Mahomes all season long. Oh, he was. Yeah. The first quarter. He was in homes grill, the whole tone more about this this. I don't know. I said that I thought what am I talking about? You know, what we we are we the amount of talking over the course of a week in the regular season. I am so tired of hearing myself say anything at all. The Denver Broncos are three and six nest was a nice touch, Mark. No, I do because I had no idea. What it means? It doesn't mean anything like if you would've said Rosen in the nest because then you have the cardinals and you could fly with that a little bit. I try to stay away from like the overt burden or like animal analogy or jets flying into Miami. How about there's a lot of like, okay. This week the raiders head to the desert. It's always desert toys made that is very stupid. Why do you hate the desert? Well, it's just like the cardinals. Always you just hear tired of writing Arizona over. There's no civilization their there are house have you ever li-? I lived in Phoenix for a year. It was an awful place, and it's not a desert. It's it is technically that's the land. That's the type of geographical landed is, but it's just houses and apartment buildings and strip malls. I'm going to start calling it the roadrunner haven these six seasons ever heard say that. And so you're still uncovering new ground. You just gotta keep talking and you'll find no we are almost done listeners in the Phoenix. Arizona's area. We apologize. Three and six Denver Broncos. Another team in a free fall seems like a lot of teams are just losing on a weekly basis on the NFL. The Broncos are one of they have any chance they're going to have to win out or come close to it. I test is a tough one the LA chargers. A team that's gone in the opposite direction here, Greg. They've won six straight. And you could put it in the book another rainmaker Greg now. If anything sure why it was supposed to just be one week. If anything I'm gonna put it on the the the Broncos to keep this game close wake up tamposi. So it's a rainmaker interesting to for the for the Broncos just Los enough to what would your son chargers are being viewed? And they are juggernaut. It's a problematic thing, I think coming back home. They haven't played in step up for a while. I feel like their forty one day problematic. Now, I think so I think they're better on I better on the road because the Broncos are gonna come the Broncos fans are going to fill up that stadium. It's gonna be depressing, and it's going to be annoying. And then I think the Broncos I wouldn't say they're misunderstood. But they've been a little unlucky. I don't think they're as bad as the record. And I definitely don't think case understands me IB Broncos. I don't think keenum's played nearly as bad as kind of the national view over the last month. He has looked exac. Like, you would have accepted expected case keenum to be over last month. They're fine. Team defense is fine. They played the chiefs tough a couple times what about their coaches such bad. And that's how they lose these close games. But there's not a lot separating team like the Texans and the Broncos. This is a test for the chargers valley, kind member last jumper nine in football outsiders to win football. I get it. But I'm just saying they're not a terrible three and sixty and there's some terrible ones out there. Remember last year when the chargers turn their season around in real off, like seven straight wins from this point on their thirteen over there. It was win Denzel Perryman came back and fixed run defense. And he just got hurt out for the year, the charges one of the best running teams in the NFL. That's a match up to watch playing. Well, there's another guy this guy's here. I know exactly what you're saying. I get it. But it's a. Teams that never find a way to win team. So I could see the happy parcel close loss for the buck should mention Joey Bosa practicing again, and there's talk that he might make his debut this week what they should be careful with them. I agree if you have two more cupcakes here before you get to the big one week thirteen at Pittsburgh. I'd wait let's say and you hold them off to them. I mean, we don't we also have no idea. What's happening? I mean, we Greg's down. You're out of cupcake, please the Broncos are not a cupcake. I don't think it's a cupcake. I don't I don't think they're like playing the raiders. No. I don't either in the chargers. Offense has been a little sporadic. I would say over the last three or four I think the defense has played much better. They haven't played great competition. If one thing though, like the idea that you're coming home to your home stadium. And that's a disadvantage a couple years away from being put in a state of the art much bigger stadium. And what are you going to eighty percent? Visiting fans. It's disaster field advantage. That's true. But that's it's not all about. The crowd in the stadium. It's about the being creature covered creatures or whatever you call it where you get to sleep in your own bed practicing facility, you're not going on an airplane standard hotel. They have all those other things that are positive. It's just the actual game. It's a problem. It's such a problem. Look at the ratings in Los Angeles. Chargers do not rate like a local team would rate. It's pretty different between them and the Rams in even more telling to me is you look in San Diego where the chargers still outright everything else. And it's not at the levels. They were when they were in San Diego, but they have this huge fan base in San Diego. Still that's making them the number one game every week. Even if it's some lousy charge back is a bad idea. Send them back. All right. I'm the London. Three more games. Don't you said? Yeah. Deserve them that we love our fence and let figure out the stadium situation because we saw YouTube concert at the old stadium. Absolute mess, come on. I was under the impression that bridge was broken. But I'd be in favor of sending them back to San Diego. But yes, right. Let wrong does deserves a team as well. That would be fun, but three more games. Good ones. Here we go. Philadelphia eagles. They need a win. They need to win in the worst way. What a loss is. Sometimes you look at the schedule and it's in a vacuum. And you just say oh, bad loss to the Cowboys at home. But then you don't realize the way they make these schedules. Greg is that they here's a home game that you should win. We will not take pity on you. 'cause the next week. We're going to send you to potential slaughter. Well that you got to go to the frigging Superdome. Eagles. You want to go back to the playoffs. You want to go back to the Super Bowl? You gotta find out a way to beat the saints who are playing as well as anyone in football. That's what you think the schedule makers were thinking as they were drawing. That's how they do it. You look at these schedules. They get sometimes we'll give teams or doesn't always work out this way, they'll say we're going to give the falcons perfect zeppelin falcons. We're gonna give you a the Browns make sure when this game because we won't feel pity on you. Next week. But we gotta make you have to a game that you could lose. That's how go awry when you don't win the games you're supposed to let's get tougher because with Ronald Darby was losing Ronald Darby feels like the moment, you know, for the season, which we haven't really talked about here. Feels like the moment where you're starting to lose. Hope defense can can survive because he was playing great and they're awfully thin in the secondary. Especially trying to face the saints this I would say the other person that they miss dearly is Frank Reich. There is something about this offense. That reminds me more of the eagles from two years ago than last year until Doug Peterson that he's seems like he's getting a little he doesn't he doesn't like this narrative. I mean, I think it's tough when you when you have a Trish in the coaching staff over and over the Peterson call the plays Lesher. He told the plays Reich made the game plans. And I think I think that the Super Bowl one of the huge themes from being at Super Bowl week was the praise heaped on Frank ripe. From all directions over and over. And you see it with the colts. I mean, we're seeing it week to week with the colts. Now that they got their act together. I look at this eagles team. And I feel like that they're a couple days away from being deep six for good. You're not I don't think you're gonna walk in and beat the Saint is a lopsided match. The eagles have the toughest remaining schedule starting with this one. There. Secondary's falling apart teams are picking on result. Douglas, their leading rusher has two hundred and sixty one yards. The saints have the number one re run defense in the NFL, which I think would shock some people. It's not just their offense that's on pace to have more points than any. But the two thousand seven patriots in two thousand thirteen Broncos. This is the best team in the NFL. And on the other side doesn't feel like the eagles have just been kind of like farting around this year. They're both starting around the Larry. They've never been able to sustain any moment. The scientific term. That's exactly what getting injured players back. And then when they do more injuries, Ashley. And they're like, oh, we'll be. All right. We're going to turn it on. Going to turn it on things are okay. And now all of a sudden you look up their four and five and they got to go to the Superdome, and I don't like their chances either. No. I mean, this this saints team is so fun to watch. I mean, Michael Thomas is so fun to watch. His catch percentage is one of the most amazing set raging because he's is one of the most amazing stats sports Kamera to me if I choose one running back, I would take him and you don't even need him. All the time take some hills important and then last week, they're breaking out guys Dan Keith Kirkwood in levion Arnold. They took Dan Ardell out of the wonder years and. I heard on these guys and they're making place. I don't like the related the name of that's adds his real name. Stay on the show, and whatever Arnold son was Kirkwood. Dan, Arnold, send them back to the losing. Terron? Armstead is an issue not as this story about the sixties against this defensive line. That's an issue. But I mean, what's going to stop them from score and thirty or forty this nothing. They they held the Bengals to twenty minutes of possession last week. And that game was over ten. I was covering and undressing stopped. Watching it at halftime. They're the one team a lot of defenses in the colts are like this a lot of defenses that aren't that. Good. Are just kind of like okay beat us with a fifteen play drive. We figure you'll make a mistake at some point. But then the saints when teams do that to them. They just do fifteen played drives to apologize to chiefs fans because right now in my mind, there is no MVP discussion. That's drew Brees. I think he separated himself over the last three or four games. I think it's I think they're close. I take breezed to twenty five week where we always say they can't play on the road on awesome them. So I'm going to give the edge debris. You know? It's fun though. These guys get six more weeks. Right. It's a lot of race could be that a scotch in can resurface. It's it's six to seven weeks. It's highly narrative driven in this. Maybe the last time you can give this award to drew Brees. And you've got another fifteen years to give it to Patrick Mahomes. The saints are getting better like progressively better. Every week if the season than rankings is beast in people on their defensible. Now a word from our sponsor. You may or may not have heard. May. Lows is the new home of craftsman C, Dan? Sometimes you just throw in the even though it's not on the cop. I copy shots certain point fixed. The avi. Which means that Lowe's, you'll find an ever-growing selection of mechanic's tools, toll storage and more in store and online ready to help tackle projects throughout your home. If one of those projects happens to be a really tight space to get to thing, you definitely need. Check out the one hundred twenty two ratchet. It has a three degree arc swing. You guys. Do you know what that does? 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Oh, the Vikings five three and one they've quietly won four of their last five. They got everything in order and here's a test because you're the bears team. This is the team of the around the NFL west have not been tested often. Here's a big one. You beat the Vikings at home people are buying in including this room. I think that's fair. This would be the best team the bears have beaten all year. And I know that we chose well for team of AT L because I want to look at these teams are so evenly matched the Vikings. Last four opponents have been held under three hundred yards by their defense. And they're still no defense in the NFL. I trust more than the bears with a healthy Khalil Mack. Kyle Fuller's playing even better than last year Bryce Callahan as a Pro Bowl slot receiver this year roquan Smith is coming on. We take came Hicks for granted. This is to me that final score in the lions game last week was not reflective of the beating this defense put on the lines. And then on the other hand the Vikings have Davin cook and Stefan digs finally healthy. But I think the bears can pick on that offensive line Pedic Cleal MEC look last week. He had two sacks. There was a viral video of him bull rushing Taylor. Decker that got sent around. But I think it was a little unfair to decker. Look like he kind of has stepped on offense of Lyman which made it easier for the bull. Rush to happen. But MAC was MAC was pretty act moving. Well, now, we're starting to see week by week what Mitch Trubisky can be in this offense as well thought. He had one of his best games. And this is the game. I've waited for. I have not I probably if there's criticism about the team of AT L, not latching on in this room the way that people would want. I definitely am at fault for that. If there's fall to be blamed us, I've not really bought in because they've not really had that signature win. They're gonna get it this week. I know it because I'm locking it up. Yes. Ooh, I liked that. Because I you say it isn't even matchup and I've been waiting for this matchup. But if you just kinda look at the numbers, it's not that even the bears have been a better offense than the Vikings period. I mean, there's average thirty gang. There's no question that the bears have a better often. They don't have a better quarterback necessarily. But they have a better offense. Don't try. I saw you finally given Trubisky some love and your BAC, and I don't with Trubisky and I'm really looking forward to this game. Because I don't think we need to do a week by week appraisal. Like he is growing slowly he's playing in a great often only point all year, let the guy grow under a good quarterback. And he's he's making some some plays on his own. But this is a great and a tough match of foreign, but I was gonna say their offense. Definitely better defense is probably better than the you kind of hurting your own writing career here by saying we don't need to do week by week. But pray. I tried. That's why I would no longer rank at every every week one to thirty two. I try to do it every four weeks at the very least. But I don't like this Mitch. And I know some of the back in four weeks for Greg's column bloated a little bit. I've had a couple really lopsided games including that. What is six touchdown game for Trubisky, but a friendly system for a lot of it's a lot of screen passes that go sixty yards and other quarterback at the end of the day coming out of last season, which you an incomplete grade you could give him last year. There was a lot of questions in August is this guy going to be able to help this team go to the next level, and it might be quarterback friendly system. But this based set all these bears records. Yeah. The the maturity and growth of Mitch Trubisky. You cannot be going any better. Maybe it's not going at the level Jared Goff last year, which is what a lot of the comparisons. But maybe it's not that far off either. And he's bringing his much value as a runner Cam Newton does. And he he is the most valuable runner in the league. So that's what I wrote about partly out of quarterback. Out of quarterbacks. It's not even close, according to QB are or and when you watch them, it makes sense. He plays a lot to me. Like like Russell Wilson did as a young player. Yeah. Maybe it doesn't quite have the deep ball like accuracy yet. But otherwise he plays a lot like Russell Wilson. And now he's got Alan Robinson looking like Alan Robinson last week, which I thought was the first time it was about time for someone to come along and set bears records at quarterback. Yes. They've had literally nothing at that position outside of their Erik Kramer records. Look, this is the giant shake cutter. Probably one big some of their quarterback records. In fact, most of them are held by a guy who played the prime of career in the nineteen thirties and forties. Sid Luchman that is embarrassing for an organization. This is this is one I so excited. This game is kind of annoy I'm getting increasingly annoyed when these Sunday night football bangers are happening. We're doing the pod. Well, we'll during the Willett Athens stuff because this one these are two teams, I feel like I still. I don't know about live. I mean, it's after on while we're talking their season starting around thanksgiving is what I'm saying. Let's find out about dog. Thanksgiving's when you really gotta stop paying attention National Football League. Whether they find you know, what shit next next season, we'll test that. And we'll check in as a group around Semper. I. Finally, it is the game of the year. It is Monday night football. It is the nine and one Kansas City Chiefs a lot of people view them as a favourite to go to the Super Bowl against the nine in one Los Angeles Rams viewed by a lot of people's favorite to go to the Super Bowl. It's a potential preview. Mark Cecil of the Super Bowl. It's a game being played where Los Angeles marks ESL are not Mexico. We'll get to that and a minute. But before we do let's talk about this football game. Oh my goodness. We're gonna have some fun. A Monday night. I feel like everyone talks about the offense is over and over and over and I'm trying to look at these defense and say who could come in and make an impact and prevent it from being just forty five to forty four. Like, everyone assumes it is one guy for the chiefs. I think default has been playing really really well for them. And they have Justin Houston back this game. Feels to me like you've got to get one of these teams to commit a killer turnover late third quarter early fourth up disrupt the flow of like seven straight touchdown drives by both teams. And that's the key. I mean, I think you're gonna get one turnover that everyone is talking about the next the next morning, Marcus Peters revenge game, not pointing to that necessarily. Although that I would like to see him. What did what did he do against the jazz? There was some bad. Let's do that flag into the stadium than came out of the locker room without shoes on one of my favorite subplot. Outstanding up in like kicked out of the game was active at that point. That looked like such a home run trade for the Rams and has not worked out yet. And we'll see how the the chiefs try to attack a guy that they know pretty well, I think the chiefs defense is getting better, and you know, d- Ford is not gonna have Andre Smith to t- off on like he did last week in which was one of the most impressive mismatches. I've ever seen in my life. Watching football snap after snap. D- d for didn't even use moves. He just speed rushed him every single time and got to the quarterback that won't happening is the Rams tackles. But he's having a great year. He's sort of like the DeMarcus Lawrence of this season just in Houston. Like, you said Chris Jones is having a great day actually have a better. Front right now. In terms of just the talent in terms of top shelf guys playing at the height of their powers Chris Jones, so far it's been a top ten player at his position more than Aaron Donald Comoran. Absolutely has injust in Houston played really well last week. Yeah. Because I think they have three guys playing at that high a level. I think Donald is defensive player of the year for me right now. But soon Brocker have been solid. I don't think they've been game changers. Chief secondary has improved to Steven Nelson is playing much better than he was in the year. They got Sorenson back from injury, my fear, and it kind of plays into what you said a little bit. They're just now Greg is the last time the Rams in a big spot that defense which got pumped up and heralded as difference making defense. They wanna get the saints got embarrassed. They got dunked on by the saints, and there are some differences. This game is going to be in their building. Obviously, it's the chiefs not the saints this time, but you wondering does this ram defense have to really put up a fight when you get to at this level of offense. Does. Any team does any defense and football. Maybe that's the greater question. But is this ram Stevens capable of making big stops? When counts against truly elite off and don't hurt yourself. Let it five personal fouls last week that you can't do that in this game. Sean McVeigh was about as upset about that. As he's been upset about anything since he's been a coach, they don't have keep to lead back, which I really do think will make a pretty big difference for that defense. But I totally expect Patrick Mahomes to light them up. I mean Patrick Mahomes last week. I thought was an interesting test for him because he really got hit a lot. And there there was a great article on the dick that pointed out kind of what he did on some place where if you're watching the broadcast feed, it looks like guys are pretty wide open, but Mahomes is pretty next level with the way that he sort of points his body in one direction and then passes in another, and that's what gets them open or he's really good for a second year quarterback a first year starter of using his eyes. And there was a great play down the sideline where he pump faked a corner. Bac away. So he's doing a lot of next level things. It's not just that. They're scheming plays open for him. He's incredibly I guess good feel for the game kind of like an Andrew luck. Good anticipation to which not all young quarterbacks. Have what other thing that? I'll be tracking this game because I love the VP race. And I love the history of all that right now the way it is it seems Mahomes breeze. You you put more you wanna put them and then girly maybe a distant third. I put Gothard. Okay. Put girly third early. This is the stage girly has any chance of that. If he puts his team on his back and as a monster game with everybody watches football watching this game, the ratings are gonna be huge. He would enter the MVP race in earnest right now as says right now, I think he's lucky to win the bronze, and that's probably gonna turn out just be offense a player of the year again. Right. But if he has a monster game that could put him into the race legitimately and maybe Goff to. I'm not totally. We still have seven games left. I think he's I don't think he's underrated. But I think he's making. A lot of really special throws on a weekly the level of of the two guys. Now we had shot, right? Would put him third. I'm just saying if they had a dominant performance where he got another night like he did against Minnesota. I mean, some some of these throws thinking of one against the Packers where you know, they're getting pressure on them quickly and he's making plays on his own. He's showing patient like he he is impressive. I think for golf to be considered in the MVP because I it comes down to this stuff. He's going to have to beat the chiefs. Like, if they if they ever if they were nipped by Kansas City Goff is out of that ice ledge, though, its narrative base, and that's part of it. Like, this is such a high profile game of these three Evy p Canada. It's seven goes nuts of these three guys. That's going to go a long way with that. You can't be ready city an lose to New Orleans. Yeah. I think it's going to be breezy Mahomes. But there's I think there's something about the Rams that it kind of frustrates Mark at times and. It almost almost looks too easy for them. They remind me of the Peyton Manning colts. Like, they only have a handful amount of plays. And they just execute them. So well, it's like a machine going up into let's pick this game. Mark. I think the chiefs are going to win like again, I said I think it's gonna come down to some sort of defensive turnover that changes the landscape here. Let score. Thirty eight twenty eight. Wow. I don't think the Rams can stop the chiefs. But that goes both ways. And I always picked the Rams stay with them. How about a little Rams in their building? Rallying around a lot of drama all around them thirty eight thirty five. Have you made your luck? I have locked up the Houston Texans always locked up. The rams. I feel good about him this week. I consider locking up the chiefs. I just think that they're the best team in the league in this is gonna be the day to see it. I hope I'm wrong because I kind of root for the old ramming. Oh, yeah. It'd be a nice all the spread blood the top of the league right now. The patriots out of there. It's chiefs in the Super Bowl steel is back in the game against the Rams. The saints such rushing it up a little bit. Let me think it would make my Super Bowl week less stressful. So there's like a positive to for what's stressful watching your team go like three and thirteen twelve years in a row. Yeah. Exactly. By the way, Mark I officially I have a statement to make about the sandwich prop in the Rams game. Being moved from us Teke. There was a lot of social media outcry in in favor of you in support of you. My feeling on the issue, which was made clear Wednesday was that they'll you hit it in spirit. You did not nail it. So that's why I had voted. No. But I understand that people wanna see a fun prediction rewarded and for that reason. Although I disagree. I will recuse myself from this matter entirely view that was not apology Mother Theresa. Well, I I'm the one who's giving the sandwich, and I had already. Yeah. I told someone on Twitter last night when they made the argument, Greg, I have recused myself. Yeah, I responded on Twitter to someone who made the argument that it was like the catch rule and that one, you know, I'm a man that can be swayed by logical arguments. And I thought that was a great way to put it that that you are getting so caught up in the rule book. You had lost sight of what is a catch. What is not a catch? What is the correct prop? What is not a prop? And ultimately Mark did get it. Right. And I tried to get him a sandwich. Or a burrito today lose. But now even thought about surprising. No, no, no. I texted him at eight thirty and sent them the menus because I was getting some for myself too. I was thinking surprising. But what are the odds of finding food that Mark likes with hold on to? Yeah. Lunch date at three PM. So he's who scenarios the woman not at two scenarios one. If I just had to Walston here with a sandwich from Greg assuming that that would not cause conflict within the room. Oh, that's it's I'm saying I'm saying it's because it's not it's not just it's not just one person's decision. And I'm going to I'm not going to accept anything yet either. I'm going to about this because it feels like something that will come back to haunt me in various ways when Dan's pulled himself out of the race. I see the long game here. And I'm gonna talk about it over the weekend. It doesn't matter. I'm bringing you the sandwich. So should either take it or you got him Tupperware full of watermelon or antelope? It's great. It's a democracy is three people here. And even if I did keep my horse in the race. I would have been outvoted. It sounds like. So I think it's a peaceful ending. Well, then, you know, we'll make some space on on a later episode to revote on the Phillies special which is much more of a heinous crime than this scenario. I that will change ends in a long time number of it up the number of our listeners who have absolutely no respect for the helmet. Catch blows my mind though, people have short memories a lot of special looks like in ten years. My my argument all along I will be eighty Burrell on that people are prisoners of the moment. Yes, they are. And I think a lot of these listeners weren't even watching football when the helmet catch was made. I don't like how this episode ended. No, the Philly's special to me is like every once in a while, you just think about it. And it'll be like that's absurd when. Yeah. When you when you rejected my sandwiches. I was hoping that you didn't like sort of want it. You didn't want something to be battling against you. Do want to win this. Right. I very much. Appreciate your gesture. Greg erica. Have you noted in today's minutes that I recused myself. I did. Yeah. Threatened three. Oh one. All right. Good stuff. We'll be back on Sunday with the recap of all the games, we just previewed. So make sure you check that out. 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Draft WeekpaloozaDay 4: 2021 Draft Night 1 Recap

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Draft WeekpaloozaDay 4: 2021 Draft Night 1 Recap

"Around with the nfl. Podcast was the one hundred ninety nine. Pick in the draft. Welcome to another edition of the around. The nfl podcast. My name's dan hansa come to you from virtual building some euros mark. Destler right rosenthal. Yes the first round of the two thousand twenty one. Nfl draft is in the books and story lines. Galore noise in a draft. That included five quarterbacks Entering the league three in the first three picks and then this the simmering drama Just to stage left surrounding aaron rodgers which came out of nowhere or did it so that is kind of a setting the table here for you boys. How's everybody feeling. We're taping after nine o'clock on the pacific time zone here but it's late but i feel good had a red bull and i'm feeling good i was like should i have some. You know some green tea or something before going but no Just like the energy from the jason alway. Pick at thirty one. Just has me flying ready to do this. Podcast watch out for that. Herbal green tea greg. You've become more daring your advancing age. I just. I don't know too many men that could hang with a green tea at nine pm west coast time. I thought it was actually what i loved about. The first round is it wasn't completely sort of paint by numbers were twists and turns and maybe not as excited about the aaron rodgers manufacturer drama is others but we can get. It is crazy though. It's draft a and like before we even got to the draft by far the biggest news story of the offseason hit. It's to me. It's much bigger than anything that happened during the draft. I thought you know. Maybe it's got to affect the drag. It started remind me of two thousand five. The whole draft day was centered around aaron rodgers and his desire to go to san francisco on that day. The forty niners didn't take them. He sits around and here he is again. This time. the forty niners did wadham. I mean crazy stuff was happening in terms of the the forty niners owner tweety and some of the some of the sources were rogers. Just like sprays all these sources all over the media that overwhelmed everything to me that happened on draft night but then once it started it re. You've realized rogers was not going to get his wish. Tonight when when the broncos took a cornerback that was kind of the moment i was just like. I guess this is not going to happen. It was it's both manufactured as mark puts an also very real the manufactured part to me is the timing of it that we're well actually let let let for people or maybe using this podcast to get caught up and know exactly what's going on The situation that occurs This morning or late or early afternoon on the west coast anyway is report. Start popping up about the forty niners Checking in on the availability of aaron rodgers. And he's not going anywhere and then the insider start popping up with information and comes on. Nfl network and explains that this kind of started. This has been simmering. Since jordan loves pick last april the not a surprise there that it was still simmering and then when the packers came to him after his mvp season and wanted to rework his contract and move the money around and create cap space. That triggered a breakdown in the relationship according to sheet. Here's what he's got rodgers. I'm told did not want that. He wanted a contract extension. He wanted the team to commit to him long term which they as at that point had not yet been willing to do as agent. Dave done food. Green bay had endless meetings with rogers frustration with palpable. Several team started calling the green bay. Packers khanna getting the sense. That things weren't right trying may be trade. For deceit there was interest. The packers have remained steadfast. They have no plans to trade. Aaron rodgers that is only going to ramp up as this continues so we will see where this ends but things are not in a good place and then of course of the twenty ninth overall. Pick the packers slick eric. Stokes a cornerback with a lot of upside from georgia feeding into this narrative at the packers room was strolling rogers by not adding more offense. But at the same time. And greg i think you tweeted about it. It's like it's not like the packers are starving for help on offense right now. They were the best defense in the league last season. Yeah yeah the. This is a long running frustration for me. They have to potential hall of fame candidates and davante adams david the on team with. And you're telling me that they don't have talent random. They're the number one scoring offense there. Aaron jones the part that i think registers with aaron rodgers. I don't think he cares that much if they took a receiver twenty-ninth or not it's out of the he took jordan love and that he took that as a personal slight and he clearly hasn't let go of that. The crazy part to me. Is you know what you said was kind of measured in eventually. He did say that. The packers tried to give him a contract extension. And you gotta think at some point isn't there are going to be a number that is enough to make this go away. We'll find out but there were other reports i mean. Espn said he told people he does not want to play for the team anymore period. Trey wingo said that the packers told them that they will look to trade him and that he feels like that they didn't they aren't really following through with that. And meanwhile like aaron rodgers agent in the brass of the packers are meeting all this while. So it's it's wild. But here's the reality. The rodgers has no leverage right. Now i don't believe i mean he can with all the services but the odds on him being on another team for the twenty. One season seems slim to none to me unless unless the because what could the broncos possibly give him that would be attractive next year's picks if you wanna give me next year's picks just wait till next year. Let's see if you sit out the year. I'll take your picks in january. He'll be popular then too. I mean it. There was one part of this. That was mismanaged. If it was manufactured was the timing. I mean to me i found it. Absurd that the broncos who had gone with their full draft plans finding out or learning about this roger situation this close to the draft. I mean there's no lead up time for front offices essentially sealed up where they're going to do for the most part to act know at this point You know are are the packers excited to absorb thirty eight million and dead cap money to move and unhappy. Rogers here's the thing eighty. It becomes cliche to say they don't draft to wide receiver. And i don't i'm with you that looking through forty eight touchdowns last year their offense. It's not broken. There's no drastic glaring void but they've drafted one skill position player on offense since two thousand and five in the first round. And it's jordan love and greg. Icu smiling. But it's like that is a lack of support some degree. I would also say that they've done a great job. If you're spending all those picks on defense of building up a monster defense either so they have just not been that successful team. That's closer to the super bowl. That's the thing is like it's not like you can get closer to the super bowl than they were. I don't see a destination spot. That's sort of why this thing to me. Feels like it's perfect for to set the table with a high strung drama but it to me. It's like what's the end result because it's to the day from a year ago. We were spending all night. Talking about aaron rodgers and aaron rodgers feelings and a year later. We're doing the same thing again tiresome. He's not well. We're gonna get special sesame matic appeal it. No i am. I just everyone else find him enjoyable i find it just like why do you need to dominate the news cycle today in something that you clearly created through your mouth pieces. They were trying to. They're trying to pressure them publicly. Because privately wasn't working. So i i tend to believe the broncos and these other teams had certainly knew about this and we're talking before this the thing that i don't understand is guys in denver. Who were saying that. This deal was close. like march. Slayeth reported re ellis so slayer at a former bronx errol and his on the radio used to be on. Espn reported that it was all but a done deal right before the draft and that got broncos nation really excited and who knows maybe someday source denver. Everybody sources Yes well rogers. Is that listen. There's a handful of players in every generation that invoke this level of interest in fact that he was the centerpiece of this drama. Last year then won. Mvp okay yup and now this comes up again that that has that has added more zest to this. So while i understand where. You're coming from mark. I it's it's a big story i mean it's and it's something i i'm not trying to push big story. I'm not trying to push out of the way i look at at. Here's the thing about the draft. I mean the film. Gandhi which is too slow for people is three hours. Eleven minutes long the draft were back to like four hours and nine minutes. And if we get you righted on draft night then you racing the clock so that's not no dance draft and forty makes a lot of sense because it is a slow drawn out thing. I'm not trying to rain on the parade. It's a fun night but it's been a long day for sadler watching. Tv your little burnt down. So you're angry right now. That's where this was on clubhouse earlier. You know i'm not. I'm not angry i just. I don't think that how many people would argue that. It is fascinating television. This is a story for another a lot a lot. Mark i mean. We're we're we're we're a lot of them are listening now. I know the draft all right. Well i i am an incorrect voice from the distance for house. I don't four. We need everyone to agree with me. But before we move on from roger they were just a couple of details. I think were important. Rosa loves his. By the way as much as mark hates this greg which nelson from the third floor sane. Greg is so greg really gets the draft. He's compliant vise whose this other cranky clown chiming in third. Cy i love the this rogers. The you know. The draft is separate. Because it's it's it's fascinating because first of all it's it's a it's the farthest thing all over i mean it's it's really kind of crazy but the personal animosity and dan hit on this last year. I do think it's funny. 'cause the jordan love pick you hate the. It's not like aaron rodgers tried harder. But you gotta give that some thing you know some of the credit of like why he won the mvp if you really wanna get crazy but it really seems like there's major antipathy between in good cut specifically and the most interesting part of this today was glazer saying to me that matt this they're goodies theme song baby. I forgot this go this. I like member being like such such a flow. Yeah i know this. The long version matt leflore. According to jay glazer did not know that they were taking jordan love before they took it and that the whole that whole story is fascinating to me number. One leflore is putting that out there through glazer. That's it that's interesting i it. It gets to a schism. It gets to leflore almost trying to say. Hey on aaron rodgers side and if you read what if you hear what ian said it really feels like rogers does not like good and i thought this is where you need an owner. They don't have an owner. Like if i was an owner. I'd be talking to brian. Good concentrated on and by the shareholder meetings. How do those go. Things haven't gone to wilma championship game in the nfc. The last two years but with good cuts pulling the lever moves. They've got thirteen three and back to back years and they're doing a lot of things right in that building. So yes in terms of like how much you wanna feel. Aaron rodgers position. I i. I can't really get that. I'm not with you on that If there are people that feel like he's been wronged in the situation but at the same time you get it you draft my replacement i win. Mvp and you wanna come to the table to do business with me. It's to help you out and make caps room instead of saying we blew it. We should never doubted you. Here's a contract extension to keep you here forever. It's we have plenty of time to talk about. And we and we will and since then they have. They have offered an extension. You would you would think there's there's got to be just like a price that is enough but if not it could just again i. It was funny thrown out the jeopardy stuff if nothing else that knocked. Tim tebow out of the headlines. Tim tebow battisson extension. Maybe that's what got me going early in the day that that is back in our hemisphere. Tim tebow subplots. I mean which is you know. I've got some ptsd associated with that. So does dan all right. So the san francisco forty niners kicking all that off. The report was that they connected with the packers. Say is rogers on the block. He was not at least not right now. So the the niners with the third overall pick. This is the first flashpoint of the draft. Trevor lawrence goes number. One zack. wilson goes number two by the way. I have ordered. My zack wilson Japodlay burrito delivered as we speak and it'll be brought right to me when the time comes. I'm very excited to have that burrito in my hands just like. I'm excited that the jets have yet another crack at a franchise quarterback Hopefully the young man at a byu the third pick trae. lance goes to the forty niners. So the mac jones and someone explain this to me. Hashtag like Five a lot of Twitter was about. Hey that is one of the better smokescreens. I've seen in some time. But i don't understand that 'cause i know mac jones was where everyone was saying. It was going to happen. And then and then it was mac jones or trey lance but what was the smokescreen for if there is no way to outsmart in front of them. The jets had always gonna take. Zack wilson the. Jags are always going to take trevor lawrence so is the smokescreen simply on the media. And if so what's the point i think it's i think we brought this up at least on the show once before that like look at they would. They did everything they did to get to number three to remove any sense of disquiet or unknown. Who they'd wanna pick. They know those two quarterbacks off the board who are they fooling to me it just felt kind of baked into. Hey this is a big production. And we don't want we're not gonna shed secrets. It's smokescreen the viewer in the analyst. The idea that you need to hide anything from another team makes no sense logically. It wasn't a smokescreen. I think the reporting around them genuinely turned out to be wrong very possibly because the forty niners change their mind. I mean that's what our reporting. Nfl network indicates that essentially they were they. They didn't know who they were gonna take. They thought they were gonna take jones. That was kyle shanahan guy and if you read between the lines not even between lines and basically said that the front office was pushing for trae lands and as kyle shanahan went to these workouts and i think most importantly talked to trae lance more and more that he. He ended up becoming convinced that that that was the decision. Because the one thing you keep hearing about lance not only is he probably the most physically gifted just just in terms of athleticism and arm strength even though he has virtually no production. Four hundred dropbacks in his career is that he's probably the one guy who comes off. Maybe as as like the smartest and the guy that you love him in the room and maybe over time they just sort of fell in love with you'll never threw an incompletion. He's the most physically talented and the smartest man alive. But i also here for three. He's got to be one of the biggest risks of all time he he. He dropped back three hundred and eighty times in his career. They've barely ever seen him play and it was. It was a north dakota state. It was a lot to give up by the niners to essentially move up to take this level of a chance but if he hits the ground running and when that happens because as of right now jimmy g. still in the building if it's running in his star it's going to cement lynch and shanahan there a long long time but if this goes off the rails and the kinda messed up their future with the draft To get a guy that couldn't play this it's going to be catastrophic. It's huge for them. Then it's then you're put into the same category as a mitch. Trubisky betrayed up except even more expensive. So yeah i mean. There is high risk reward. I mean they talk about the last ten super bowl winning quarterbacks Every one of them had twelve hundred attempts in college. I mean there are front office is out there. That would rule out quarterbacks that don't have a certain amount of proven production at a college level other front office do it differently and we know shanahan does it differently. I mean i'd come away a little concern with whispers and flat out just comments that the front office and shanahan and all of them just were not on the same page that they had no idea what was going on. That said if you're shanahan or if you're only those people you're in a building an almost ballots checking in type leader shanahan who is basically calling the shots and if it works. He looks like a genius. If it doesn't they'll probably still call them genius. I seemed like. I love him but he seems a little teflon to. He's got to win with this quarterback sooner than later. I think this is what it would cost them. Though if sure i existed at work out e- he has been a little tap. I think they've one winning season in seven years he hasn't been there that whole time but This has to work. This has to work just like it has to work for the jets. Move that they made Going to get that wilson or trading darnold gets back. Wilson these are important franchise defining type draft picks. This how exciting those. It's exciting to see your boy kyle. Shanahan get someone so you kind of feel like shanahan will make them bus proof. I mean if if if mullins can put up those stats then you kind of figure like well. What's what's the worst lands could be as maybe average. I mean you would hope you would think. Just because their offense is so good they have williams at left tackle. They have i you in deebo. Samuel and george kittle situation so just as a football fan. I'm excited to see such an athletic guy shanahan system instead of mack jones. Then again. I'm going to have to watch mac jones with the patriots so i get to that. We'll get to that in just a little bit. So yeah so lawrence wilson lance then The first seven players by the way this was a record all offensive player. So kyle pits. The tight end out of florida becomes the highest drafted tight end in nfl history. Going to the falcons intrigue there. Of course especially coming off a week where there are whispers about julio jones's future that makes even more sense now knowing what their intentions were. Take this game changing. This guy is entering the league with a level of hype. That few tight ends match. So you have pits. Their calvin release emerged as a star in his own right. So julio jones. You don't want to say this but he seems like someone That could be moved without killing the offense which you never thought now see. That actually happens and if it doesn't man that's one hell of a one-two-three punch on that offense. When i would say that arthur smith maybe i like more than others but i think he's a severe upgrade over dirk hotter in twenty twenty one and on top of it. I mean when it comes to. Julio jones i just. I don't think that that would be out there. If they didn't severely need to restructure the money they have. I don't think you'd be looking to move just to move him so if he sticks around and you add kyle pits to this offense. Like you've got something. I still think. There are a hot target to draft a running back earlier than later. It could be in the in round two here but they're not far away from having again a very intriguing. Offense matt ryan said nice offseason. They basically eat some money down the line that kept them there. You add kyle pits. I don't think their defense is going to be in. So he could be fantasy guy like you could just thirty for thirty five to thirty. Three every week falcons like matt ryan has all these skill players and they're in a lot of like coming from behind situations and you're like oh. This is perfect. Then you look up twenty seven touchdowns at the end of the year like permanently soiled era that in the nba got them after the mvp. I think because he throws twenty seven touchdowns and thirteen interceptions every year. I don't know don't check those stats at number five Jomar chase the wide receiver from lsu reunites with joe burrow. I have my thoughts on this. They should've went and got sold. The tackle from oregon. But okay. i mean this this this works to. Let's see if they put some focus on the offense line. I'll do a couple of here and you guys can say whatever you want on any of them jalen. Waddell goes number six to the dolphins The alabama wide receiver and that makes sense as well. I like the move where you take the young quarterback in and connect them to a lot of talent and see if he can play will now you have fuller and waddell together. That's a nice trio. As image pennzoil the offensive. Tackle out of oregon. The top offensive lineman in the draft goes to the lines at number seven. I dislike the they made a big deal out of this on television. But i wonder if there's more thinking going into some of this too. It's the talented player. But you get jamarcus. Pared back with his college quarterback you get jalen waddell paired with someone to with it. He knows it's like okay. Maybe that doesn't matter but what's wrong with giving like you're young quarterback someone that he's worked with for a long period of time. There's chemistry is there. And i get what you're saying about picking maybe sewell or would have been sewell over chased but i know i good offensive. Line coach can do a lot for an offensive line. I'm not sure they have won the having big talent right but they have to. They do have like the thing is like if you look at their tackle situation. I don't love it. But they have invested in their tags signed riley reef this offseason which is slipped under the radar. Riley responded a starting tackle for awhile. He's not a huge difference maker but he's been an average starting tackle then. They drafted jona williams tenth over. He's been okay. I think it's just thinking that chases really unique like bob mcginn. Does that you know. Scouts poll and he was the first unanimous wide receiver to get first place votes from every single scout since calvin johnson. And so you're you're thinking maybe if this guy's gavin johnson is not as unique. I was more surprised that dolphins took wattle over. I thought that was gonna be locked in. And they could've put sewell. Austin jackson as their two tackles and they took waddell and is very similar to last year. How rugs went ahead of whom. I forgetting. here Judy for alabama. Like demonte. smith won the heisman trophy. Waddell i who i like more than rugs who seems exciting Ends up going ahead of devante smith and yes You know that's a nice pick for the lions who by our are no need no rush here to make. A big splash is a team. That's rebuilding so you get a guy there even if the lines fans aren't going to get pumped up about it could be a great pick for field. Say just they just weren't in love with justin. I kinda like love doesn't go. They would have taken them. It wasn't about. I can't imagine is about you there or or one of the wide receivers because they are there you know. Yeah jared goff's being protected but they're like you look at the infrastructure of their offense and it's messy right so the on offense players ends at number eight with the panthers. And i talked about this on our last podcasts. At sam darnold after twisting in the wind with the jets was in that same position heading into thursday. Night again Where you didn't know all this talk about tapper whether he was going to make the a big splash and get the quarterback in the draft and when justin field was still there and mack jones was still there. It was like a the panthers are going to do this. And that's going to be tricky for the former. Us star an ex new york jets instead they'd select jc horn. Cornerback out of south carolina and then the broncos picnics. Another team that you would think could use a game changing prospect of quarterback. I lost sandwiches on it. Yes yes they have drew. Lock still yes. They just traded for teddy bridgewater So they say were set. There now quarterback. I guess and they take patrick. 'certain the second cornerback alabama. This is when mock drafts started to go hideously south address do by the way because it went hideously south around this around this point like i mean i think maybe seven or eight right but it's the same seven or eight that like five thousand other brownies scott so it was an unremarkable run. Eighteen twenty wasn't eighteen to twenty five. I think i said while we were at a baseball game. That tweet under promise and deliver for years. That's that's sort of the problem. I mean if you look at this though if you look at carolina's defense like what they did last year. I love jeremy chinn. You've got buja. Dante jackson you ask at jc horn. They're growing their defense like in rapid fashion. I mean these guys off to work out but horn is like a special cover. Man based on the data that i've received the the when the broncos took a cornerback i was flummoxed received doing lots of study during this but you did not think they'd go corner there at denver. Greg what the corner has to be one of their strongest positions on the roster before this content like. He's just always take infants player. No matter what happens they signed kyle fuller for a lot of money. They signed ronald darby for a lot of money they signed. Bryce callahan has been really good for fangio a year ago for a lot and he i think he can play. Ojemudia was a rookie. Last year. i thought played really well. So that's four guys already. You just added a top ten. Pick so that got people thinking well. Maybe they're taking this. Pick for green bay so i haven't totally ruled that up but then green bay took a cornerback. Which kind of doesn't totally support that theory. Unless they want to of them. So i do. The smoke in denver has to have some reality to it. And then when they didn't take a quarterback at does lend you to thinking they're not going to be out of this whether that's for twenty twenty one or next year will stay well. John elway did once upon a time successfully recruit peyton manning and got a ring out of it in a run of dominant play and record setting offense. I could aaron rodgers. Like i could see him like doing local ads for like a weed company or something. He'd fit well in denver. you know. Having lived there he'd he'd jive right in what about the the shailene. Woodley factor here. I mean she might not want him at colorado. She want might want him right here. The charges are closer. I know it's not that close people were making fun. That's like but it's like it does make a difference if you're only on a two hour flight versus like i need to see more evidence that they're like hanging out hour by hour. There's not a lot of you know. Where are the instagram photos. Where's the show. Whereas the business to me broncos fans are not going to be thrilled if they are six and seven and teddy bridgewater just took over for drew. Lock getting benched team. But that's exactly what's going to happen. Which made this this to me. If they don't wind up with aaron rodgers and if justin fields becomes brilliant john elway. I know that. I know that john elliot's now hiding behind. Would hiding is not fair. But the general patent narrow. And it's like john elway can avoid the blame but you cannot miss on this like just fields past you by the floor falls out when you have a brave leader like general patton directing the troops. You know there's nothing to be fearful love. And if aaron rodgers is there for the taking you will get him because People like general patton leaders. That don't come around too often. They by they can't they can't allow slayeth into the building by the way if rodgers is not green bay because i had my cousin. Justin news you know. The second sheriff's sends this tweet out. They think roger's is coming to denver tonight like that's that's a fireable offense. I think i nailed the Vital i've struggled with it. But i have the pronunciation on that particular gentlemen mark large slurred slur snarf snarf. We said that we should have on newsradio alright. Salsa or chile by the way is on sauce the company Interesting moment in the draft comes at number ten when the eagles moved from number twelve to number ten in a trade ad with the cowboys. Eagles and cowboys trading with each other on draft night so they trade up to number ten to take alabama stud heisman trophy winner. Devante oh my goodness The cowboys so traded their temp got back. The twelfth pick as well as the eagles third round. Pick the cowboys Selected why backer. Mike parsons with the twelfth pick. I love this. Move for the eagles. Little bit surprised. The that the Cowboys were willing to help out. But you know they're getting something out of it and the giants are dyin. Dave gentleman it you know. They were laser focused on a wide receiver because day. Then trade out of the top the first round then take a wide receiver later But then that worked out that those actually good trade. Dave gettleman finally trades out. But let's focus on the eagles side of things This feels like a big move. Four jalen hurts. Who again the. He feels like a big winner. Here now Because the winners and losers column. Dan check it acts dot com. Check that out on they'll dot com slash rosenthal because carson wentz shipped outta town. The eagles don't bring in another quarterback despite a lot of a lot of hype and buzz around do they believe in hurts and now they get him the reigning heisman trophy winner and potential superstar number one wide receiver okay. Let's see what happens here. He's so different. Smith one hundred sixty six pounds that his most recent testing that it it does feel like one of those picks that rose miss out on a ledge a little bit. I mean everyone's jeremiah. Thinks he is a true true one. And you're it's so good for hurts. Another quarterback receiver combo right. Alabama myth was playing a lot. When jalen hurts was playing there that was that was before hurts transfer. And you guys put more into this than i. I'm just. I'm just noting. I don't think in earth shaking but it's i think it's nice to 'cause jalen reagor. I feel a little bad for him. Because he's not justin jefferson. I don't think he's necessarily a bust but now he can be the number two receiver. He's more like the deep threat like a hollywood brown. Hopefully you know maybe a similar to hollywood browner better and now he slides down one like they're going to be more fun to watch now. I mean like a dj pinpointing and showing highlights of devante smith catching the ball amid defenders racing for a long score. Not even being touched. They call them the best route runner in the draft. And you're right. He called him a clear number one. So i don't know how you really evaluate too many of the people from that offense from a year ago it was like a hard on the is car crash so you know maybe you actually have over the last two years found good receivers to in you change everything and hurts us in a great position the once. I mentioned parsons to the cowboys smith to the eagles that pick right in between at number eleven and this was seismic and we'll see if this is a major turning point For a franchise desperate need of a spark right now. So four years ago the bears traded up To number two overall and took mitchell trubisky and it was one of the great misfires in recent. Nfl history not just because busy couldn't really play the guitar But patrick mahomes into shawn watson we're like slash and eddie halen You know taking the guitar analogy further. Maybe the brother wasn't all you know. Throw him in there to dean dean god of guitar. So that didn't work out so four years later they once again make a draft they move they trade up nine spots with the giants and they take yes. Osu quarterback justin fields. The giants received chicago. Bears first round pick which was number twenty and fifth round. Pick this year and the bears first and fourth rounders next year so the giants really clean up And i think it worked out for them because they went and got a wide receiver And then also now have this bounty a picks but justin fields brings mark something that you've talked about Many many times. On the show. And i i agree with you. There's no there's no buzz around the bears. There's nothing to be excited about. Justin fields is not a can't miss prospect but if he hits it changes everything in the nfc north. I mean you know. Were at a different organization. That was run differently. I think it would be odds-on ryan pace. Wouldn't have been here to make this move. The bears are very creaky with their front office and coaching decisions. In general but look how do you re align your career. How do you change perception number. One i think in the nfl by being aggressive daring west used to talk about that all the time. The fortune favors the bold. And i had you know volumes right. I bear fans. We all bears fans as friends that you know like. Do you think someone will follow them at twenty. It's like a quarterback. No i don't i mean you're going to have to do something more than that you wanted to offer the moon and distant stars for russell wilson. So why not. Maybe think about packaging picks to get up a quarterback that you like in this one and they did it for me. Changes the whole energy of a team. That i found de energizing and i don't know if i trust matinee gi to to kind of groom this quarterback but it's not fair to judge them on trubisky because that was just a wild with and fields brings excitement. Bears have not really ever drafted a quarterback worth their salt. I mean it's just they're an outlier on that front so they swung for the fences if it works changes the bears forever and i think he's a good fit for this team. He's from ohio. Is a cold weather quarterback. He can do it all. He's fun to watch and it to me. Turns one of the least enjoyable franchises at this current time. In the nfl to something. I can't wait to see. Yeah i agree with everything there. It's well said. I just worry that. It's a tough spot. Reminds me a little bit of darnold when he arrived in new york. Because i think the gm coach situation is so precarious that you would give them over under one year left because no matter how you know it doesn't feel great this year and he looks great in this offense that solves everything and he will play the number one. Receiver does mooney. Okay at number two. But i i guess i got to see it. You know. it doesn't feel like it's certainly not trae lance land in san francisco or for that matter. Mack jones i think is in a better situation with with new england. I think there will be challenges. And if they don't win this year they will probably change the regime and then then you know then. That's get messy. I think you're spot on that because foundation is so important with these guys because if things don't go well like you're saying and they re boot. Well if they reboot and they hit on the higher with the coach and gm then you'll be okay but it's a big roll the dice. These things work out half the time and maybe even more the other direction they don't work out so you're starting over again and then maybe that works. Maybe it doesn't then all of a sudden you're on your third or fourth year of your rookie deal. And then they have to ask questions about you. Unless you're a star so trying to be a downer for bears. No but i think they got some breaks away the draft value and then they took advantage. I think you would think this is a you dwell on the negative things. You shouldn't turn a blind eye to it. But i think on balance this is exactly what bears fans have been waiting for and i talked about it all the time about joe. Nemeth and the janssen. How long it's been well. They haven't had anybody that they could. truly call. franchise quarterback sid luchman jay cutler collar sort of. I don't know man franchise quarterback so maybe fields becomes that guy. He's the fields. Can't play everybody's then i'll tell you what. I was a franchise quarterback when they traded for most people a lot. We were all greg greg. This is another quarterback that i like. Here's the natural. Organic view of jay cutler and greg's is that view with like eight percentage points. Teddy bridgewater type thing. Well he was a great example of what shanahan offense can make. You think because i think if he had spent this oh career with kyle with mike san. We'd love jay color. He was so exciting but That's that's kind of where. I'm getting that with fields that it's you know. Is this coaching staff gonna take advantage or or is he going to be like jay. Yep all right. Let's keep moving now here by the way i did wanna point out. You mentioned how you know. It's four years about since trubisky remember. That was the night when mike glennon who had signed a sixteen million dollar contract went to the draft party and then they took trubisky and then very similarly. i mean. it's not quite as bad but there was that tweet. With andy dalton. Qb one that was kinda version of glenn. Glenn go into the draft party. The bears creating their own problems. I it's like minded even written that around the league around the nfl post it was. He's older field so they basically took an area soldier field and invited a bunch of season ticket holders and then had some players there and blend into just signed that deal. I mean this guy dirty. I mean doing my glennon dirty. If you even had a thought that you're gonna go make a move like that and you had to have had a thought you say mike stay home. Stay home mike. What can i offer one counterpoint. To that yeah. Let's say you get hired by a company to come in and do a ton of work. You've got a lot of pressure on you but you sign for a lot of guaranteed money. So you're thinking all right. I made a lot of money. But i'm gonna have to deliver well. They just went and drafted a rookie. Who's gonna start over you immediately. Because that's how this works. You made a ton of money. You don't have to do a liquid work. I don't remember. Mike glennon throwing a pass during that entire thing so in a sense he kept his body clean. He lives in dignity though. I mean that's another day. It's not all about money. This isn't an episode of money on money. Okay who has thurston dignity right but the money is not the issue i would and i'm wrong about that time but i'm just saying it was like you're basically being getting paid a fortune to fifteen minutes of work a week. I think started two games. I totally had that could be wrong. That's about what dalton feels like is gonna be the over under here. I mean with all these guys we could. We could sit here all day. It's all relative. these are very well paid. Well compensated individuals across aaron rodgers. Right well he's horribly underpaid glendon had forced. I appreciated or start all right. Let's keep moving through the first round into the middle of the draft Sean slater tackle from northwestern goes to the chargers. Grab you on the at anything. And then i know you wanted a little more help Blocking nice worried about them blowing herbert's chances of being a top five. Qb fell perfectly for them. Got a cordless. Yeah i had to save the happy seat there. How's he going to land this one and all right then. A trade my new york jets. They they pick number two. They took the quarterback. And we've heard it since joe. Douglas has taken a job. He's all about offensive lineman. He was an offense lineman atta dot outta so they make a move they send their twenty third overall. Pick the sixty six and the eighty sixth overall pick so they sent Their first rounder and both third rounders to the vikings to move up from twenty three to fourteen. They also got back a late round draft pick and they use that to take. Usc usc offensive. Lineman elijah vera tucker Of course i'm doing deep dives right when this hat. I know he was in the top fifteen most every mock draft. And he's seen is a rock solid plug and play interior. Linemen suggest desperately needed Giving both third round picks maybe was a little on the pricey side. But then i think about if he can play and he could solidify the left side of the interior and you have mci becton next to them. That left tackle. We're starting to cook now. We're starting to do something really figure out this offensive line so it could pay big dividends. I would just remember what kind of offense they wanna be. I mean this is a kyle shanahan They're going to be heavy run and they they know. Exactly what kind of lyman they wanna get so this got the seal of approval you're right. It's an upside. They were the second worst passed protecting line in the league last year. And look that way and look sometimes the worst even one step worse down to thirty two so you know. This is an improvement. I think they'd play some right tackle too. I thought you won sandwiches on this. But you know very nobly reminded the go. Get my lunch people that you said they were gonna trade up for receiver any trade up. I couldn't think nick that time. I had yes. I had my one. And we'll do our sandwich props at the end of saturday show but the jets we're gonna trade up and take a wide receiver. They traded up and took a guard so unbalanced. They get a new quarterback and they improved the offensive line. And i still my boy landed dickerson. Alabama fell out of the first round on medical issues. I wish i had a third round pick if maybe fell down there. Maybe they move up if they can maybe landed in the second round. Got my on you buddy. I believe in your body guys. How is it. How is the toposa burrito going to be delivered during the show. Emily's going to come in with this is why even your kids getting married now. A kids are done. they're in bed. Emily's waiting she staring out from the front window just waiting for the moment the burrito arise. And she's gonna then shuttle it to me directly. Did you allow her to cheat by dinner too or was it just a you operation. It's it's a solo purchase On grubhub because it is ten o'clock here. So i i'm gonna i'm gonna probably have a bite of the reto already had a dinner Don't wanna double up dinner. That's not what we're trying to do in the offseason. We're trying to make good health decisions in the off season. But i also have to have a celebratory bite of the burrito for good luck. That's where i'm at well then bedroom right now. So so amoco's not sleeping until we're done up. Situation is she. She's not. I hope she's not in the rilo listening to this. Oh yes he's trying to. She's like five feet away. Just weird now. Hand the camera over. I do have to say like the nfl when the pandemic started. They're like hey you got to take a portion of your house and turn it into a studio and we're like hey man that's that's the break so we gotta do it. It's we're lucky to be employed these houses in la here. They're very big. But we're going to do it. And then you know. People are getting Shots and the world starting to return to normal and then all of a sudden. The nfl sends a truck over with all new equipment. And i'm like oh my not my not getting this part of my house back. I don't think i am. I've lost hot. This part of my my paying less rent is they're going to be some type of reimbursement of portion of when you look at the square footage that lost. It's not you know we don't have the time space negatively you out of this has nothing and like it interesting bullet point for your next negotiations. You'll take seventy four square feet of my rent. Or i walk right. Speaking of walking rookie. Hollywood is walking off appear when the new england patriots sat at fifteen and took mack jones the quarterback at of alabama mack jones of course ricky who is slated by Smokescreen at number three overall falls the fifteen and the patriots with cam newton in the house. Now bring in mack. Jones and i would say this ricky none of us are college experts and you are not one either. I you seem to think that this guy is gonna be a boondoggle for the patriots. We got to let this play out because he has a ceiling. People say it was charles davis that might have said it and great job. I gotta give it up. I had to say hate say this but daniel. Jeremiah did awesome work. Nfl hold the draft is the thing we dominate better than anything. Yeah i didn't. I didn't even turn on. Espn or like that. Now sportsman but on draft night. I got to be loyal to the brand and we did a nice job Charles davis I believe was the man or it was the stanford coach was a shaw said matt ryan type ceiling and then maybe more kinda. Andy dalton is where could end up a that would be okay especially if you go closer to the ryan and come on ricky. Yeah i mean the forty niners. They obviously didn't want him. Which makes sense. And then he keeps falling and then when the lions didn't take i really don't think they're sold on gough so i was like there's a chance he could take us field and then the eagles traded up like you said and then they took the wide receiver that everyone's talking about something more my god. He might just in fields literally my fall because of the cowboys. And all that so. I'm getting like super excited and being the only into win the bears all of a sudden traded up. I knew exactly what was happening. And then the later it goes not that fifteen is is even that late. But i'm like mac. Jones is falling. Nobody wants them in. Yeah he worked. You know under sabin scheme the pats and all this kind of stuff. So like matt ryan as a ceiling. Like i guess it's better than cam new. Vp and borderline mvp plus the game. Right ricky's making a good point when you when you're talking about like where patriots fans or at after what for them was a very trying seven and nine and greg hasn't sandwich prop on it so greg was all about it. Everyone's like justin fields to the pats. So now you have mac jones and yeah greg. You're i know. You're not as excited about a mac jones future as you would have been justin fields. No because of the style of play. I mean he's the first quarterback taken in the first round. Correct me if. I'm wrong since jared goff. That's not athletic. Has there been anyone. In baker people save a baker can move a little bit. I just don't think like the physical gifts are there that said it's funny. Because at the very beginning of the process people thought mack jones was like a mid first round pick and made a lot of sense for the patriots. So i listened to people that are really into studying the college evaluation. Like they liked mack. Jones know they liked them as kind of like the fifteen hundred twentieth best player in the draft. Not not a top tier guy and you know it's it's not as exciting. Like his style of play is not as exciting. There's some ya photo of brady. That get circled around at the draft every single year about him shirtless and what he weighs. And all. you know just like the just the quarterback. That doesn't look good. Go look at the photo of mack jones shirtless with a cigar in his mouth. I haven't seen that photo until tonight no tax and let it's not. It's not the most impressive physique but he's just got into a professional strength. training program. Right was under the impression ricky that that may be was. The most annoying party was the i wouldn't call it flabby. But maybe just sort of. I'd say abbey. It's kind of like like how like a twelve year old boy whose too much food around the pool looks like. Just a bit of a blimpy stomach. You've probably isn't always looking that way. But like that seemed to be more agitating to you than than what you had caught from alabama career per se. We have josh mcdaniels. And you know bill bell. Attract the this this great. You know we kind of unlocked it. A little bit with cam with a mobile quarterback so i like as the nightcap going on. I got wicked excited about justin fields. And i really thought the possibility was getting closer and closer and closer because who even knows if when the eagles traded up i was like maybe they're going to get him because they might not be all in on hurts either and they've said that so patriots fan disappointment. It thinks the new normal isn't more concerning for you. That you got maxine so that you were out the bill. Belichick was outwitted by ryan pace. Yeah lombardi lombardi claim before the draft. There was no chance they were taken fields. Which called me which got me my expectations way lower. So even as the night was going. I i kind of figured they'd take a defensive player. Fields was bored. I don't know if ricky i maybe i'm wrong. You talked to patriots fans to. I think i would suspect suspect. This pick was actually fairly popular in new england. Because they want. They want a new quarterback essentially they. Now it's like this sabin clone. I mean weirdly. Like the patriots fans have been almost brainwashed into like wanting clowns and like mac jones like walking down looking all serious. Honestly the thing i like least about them getting mac jones is what i fear is going to be like the patriots fans reaction and just everything about the mac. John's like versus cam newton experiences going to be a little messy. You know there's some brady got a lot of stuff for being like trump guy and stuff. There's a little bit of that. With mac jones so see not. You'll see that photo again if you haven't if you haven't seen him but don't you think i also i like the process of it by the time they got to pick there. I was. I kind of wanted them to take back jones. Because i do believe you have to keep taking quarterbacks and don't don't know they've they've earned my benefit of the doubt like well they'll probably make it work with mac jones like i can see that working. Yeah just like a wannabe. Mvp cam newton for sure. Oh she sales and i so over kim. I'm still on camera. We know you are. That's an uphill battle. We know you're right. Let's keep moving all right so as we now head through the end of the middle into the back end you have. Let's see zaven. Collins that talented linebacker at a tulsa goes to the cardinals so they take linebackers at in the first round back to back years. Alex leatherwood offensive tackle. Alabama goes to the raiders at number. Seventeen this is becoming a great new tradition. Everyone kills the raider. Pick in the first round and you know how. Dj to again great. This guy knows his of hormone. This this is my big stage of the year. And i knocked it out of the park. Everybody look at me unprepared in charismatic. And we'll spokane whatever could bro. Also a guy that doesn't he's not gonna tear you down on national television. That's just not dj style but this is dj killing a pick if you truly can code out the way. Dj feels about a pick played. Ricky one is a little bit of a. It's interesting because you talked to people around the league. All over the map on alex leatherwood. Some really liked him struggle. He's played a lot of football in alabama started. A lot of ballgames has got quick feet. He was my sixty second overall flare so it was a little bit earlier than i had him coming off the board but obviously they've found some traits now said the what did they felt. Great about just trying to read into what you're saying. This pin connor surprised. You got a yeah. I did not. I did not think off the board in the second round. He's not going to be a good player. Be a solid starter. He also pointed out that they could have possibly traded back in gotten more value. Which i thought was the most salient point of criticism. There are two because he pointed out. When i was on the set he would be like. If you've got a conviction like there's no nothing too early to take a player. But now they've taken cleveland farrell fourth. They took our net last year. Which was a shocker. And then this one. I do like the jeremiah was like sixty second. I think he's he's trying to be constructive with criticism their friends. I mean if suddenly we were having replaced them in this very job. Dj's in is the number one draft analyst. And i was also thinking like as dj. Saying i hate this pick. But i'm gonna be a gm next year. And what. I want my replacement to come after me if i if i had a reach in the first round it's like you're kind of a tough spot in the position right. I mean but i'll give this like yeah or look at. Have the drafts all work. No i think it's been underwhelming. But he's at least living what he said he mentioned on. Nfl network about when you believe in someone you just take him. I mean he thinks for himself. Now there's some gruden in there. Obviously too but i mean like consistently does things that no one expects in the draft. Just that i work. Because i get about having vision like we have our board and our board. We don't care about anybody else. That's all good as long as the guys can play then. You're just bad at this so that there is a bit of a dancing. They also got stuck thinking to having to go off because of some of the stuff. That's happened this offseason which is also front office business but when you have to league thinks he's a tackle haffey thinks he's a guard to me. That doesn't scream like we've got a home run here. It's like you've got a project and the whole you hide interact with that. That trading back thing is. I think that's important that's process. That's why i i kinda was was with with jones. I the process of it made sense day a quarterback. They're like you can't tell me that. The raiders couldn't have traded back and gotten some extra picks and still take an old Leather leather phase. This wasn't what type of what product are you leatherwood which brother a great call. Who are you a guard. Are you a tackle a leather. are you would. who are you alex. And he's like. I don't know number eighteen. The dolphins steak jalen phillips edge. Rusher out of miami. The washington football team takes. How davis linebacker at if kentucky and the giants as i said took a wide receiver out of florida. Cadaverous tony So we'll see If he turns out to be listen you never know with these wide receivers. You never know all these guys go in the first round and just because tony got picked after the three other studs that he might be better than all of them and then the giants would have the better wide receiver an extra first round pick We'll see dave gettleman another a another potential chance to save his job. He's an interesting career. Good job tonight. You'd have a gadget guy. You know that type thing how. Tony projects is kind of a guy to us in a lot of creative ways. I mean receiver. It was weird because they were zeroed in on receiver. It sounded like that was a good point. I didn't even think about that. They probably were going to take smith. Devante smith there. They have good receivers. They have sterling. Shepard darius slayton kenny golladay and ingram and now they have tony so if nothing else they should be a lot more watchable. I those guys all stay healthy too. That's been the issue. I tweeted that gettleman if nothing else his drafting styles very linear. It's like all right. He wants this. He'll take this and in this case because they took it from him he said i will now move back and then i will take that same position but only a little further in the blah. There's there's not a lot of layers it feels like with gallon but maybe it all works out in the end right. I asked you guys on on tax mark. you saw A little later Sneaky good picks. I like the titans. Did by the way. The colts take under struggle with his name. Quinny pay quickly. Pay the address out michigan. Twenty one the titans. I really liked Caleb farley cornerback. Out of virginia tech this is their defense has been killing them. The last couple years and this is Farley's you know not a can't miss prospect but everyone everyone says this guy's got a ton of upside and they need help in that secondary snick. He just watching just a little bit of him. He leaps off the screen. I think he he would have been top ten pick if not for these back surgeries. He would have been taken ahead of certain and he would have been taken ahead of horn. He's a big injury risk. But i think when you're getting towards the end of the round and that's gonna my it's similar to my sneaky. Good pick. Take a big swing. I think at the end of the first round and they are a team that they pointed out on network. I thought correctly. Jeffery simmons injury issues coming in but they just love the player and they showed enough faith in in his rehab getting back on the field and they won that one when i watch him they compared him to charles woodson to. Bobby taylor the old you goal. I see little shades. It's not it's not safety. But i see shades of eric turner in the way he hits. I mean he just attacked so if you get the healthy version of this this was an awesome pick for the titans Kate let's keep moving through the first round. Bye bye bob bob ui Christian garissa offense attack out of virginia tech goes to the vikings at twenty three they of course traded with the jets back to twenty three and picked up those two mid round picks and they take darah saw. Okay the steelers. There's there was a lot of buzz. Connecting nausea harris the talented alabama running back. By the way six alabama players went in the first round of the draft. I mean that. Is nick savings doing some. They also were like. We're playing no matter what i like. Other there are other colleges. That didn't get more than a couple of games in alabama's like we don't really care what's happening in america. We're playing right But they they're the recruiting in and they built up such an outstanding program in a winning tradition. There that i guess all these like blue chip gives must be running to go there. It's just unbelievable. the factory that places anyway nausea harris. Running back goes to the steelers. Twenty four adding a much much much needed element of Dynamic talent In that running. Back group. Because james conner after a lot of hype early on He kinda petered out. Now he's in arizona lay beyond bell of course was a superstar and we know how that ended now harris's a chance to kinda breathe some life into that backfield your got this one right there mark. Yeah well don't think i. That wasn't me being. Mike may can thinking originally necessarily but they compton to levy on bell. Charles davis compton to franco harris. He's a huge guy who can move. He had more rushing yards receiving yards and touchdowns than derrick henry or mark ingram in alabama. I mean like when teams have like a profile. I mean and there's a reason the steelers do they have the same. Gm for twenty years so they just luca but they don't have an offensive line and they and they haven't been the same since mike munch left so that's the part i don't quite get. Are you going to fix this. Do you have the players up front on paper. Their offensive line looks terrible. Looks like one of the worst than the nfl. The there organizationally. They've just been so stable and well run for so long that you just assume it's going to work out but with the line and the uncertain nature of big band stage coupled with the fact that it does look like it's they actually signed mason rudolph to a one year extension Today or that was it was announced today so like he's the backup and you have that bust haskins somewhere in the building as well also like okay. I mean it's either going to be there either. Gonna be twelve and fiber thirteen and four or this is going to be marks fever dream of all time and they go six and eleven. Like i feel like there's not going to be like an in-between with this steelers team. You make your offense line. In april may and june. You make it sound like haskins is just like hanging out in the it closet or something like whereas haskins navy. Would you be surprised. He's like you know on his iphone or something. I another quarterback in the building. Right now you never know. i know. Haskins is not the best quarterback in any building. You mean imagine if you are so harsh about sam darnold here for the numbers very similar. That's why they way wayne. Haskins and sam darnold. That is a good comparison. Point to the type of individual we're dealing with your the haskins doesn't wanna play. They didn't put any app. You got run out of town until years greg travis attention. I think i got that Etienne running back clemson to the jaguars all right. Let's seemed weird. Especially the way urban. Meyer talked about it and maybe this is probably just coachspeak. But he was like we say james robinson and carlos as are one two punch and at the end is there are third down back because we wanted to have one of the top eight running back the league and it was like that was very odd comment telling so much information for probably just saying that in making the rookie earn his way. If you're drafted him twenty-five he'd better not be playing behind carlos hyde well. And you won't like this but it's another pairing of clemson quarterback in clemson running back which i know each other i. I think you're suggesting that. When greg i mentioned we think that it's going to be going to make them all like hall of fame players. I'm just saying there seems to be every year. This happened what i hope. I hope. I hope the jets draft like every mormon guy exactly well since ever well by the. It's not like matching religions. But that's interesting to why not. Why not a lot of rogue elements while you remember when the jets really did draft mark sanchez. Buddy in the six yes. That's yes and collision low crosses that was covered extensively. No i do like the idea of a rosenthal cecil koji m thing where that's that's the only thing. Your draft board is like matching up former teammates highschool school teammates. That's fine but we learned really wanted college teammates. We'll even go junior high if necessary Speaking of mark the browns take greg newson the second cornerback at a north western I find that. I know you're a ride or die with And berry in this brain trust right now. And why wouldn't you be there on their on their They've really built in nice roster here i saw that you love this move. Well i do. Because i think that they had from just some stuff that i had heard that there was shortlist. The players they were interested in and in most mocks. You look at newsom. Didn't get to them. And i think caleb finally was another guy they were into and farley didn't get to them and so that newsom did. I think that was a win for the browns. They wanted to go quarterback or edge. And just you know again. It's you've added. John johnson troy hill. You get greedy. Williams back didn't snap last year. You get grant help it back and you get newsom. That's five new players in your secondary secondary that you know even though they whipped pittsburgh in that playoff game gave up five hundred yards in that game. It's like their defense was a liability. So you know. They've done a lot to address that side of the ball. So i think that is a victory for andrew. Berry inco and a nice showcase for cleveland tonight as low rainy though but a little a little too much with the. Hey were the rock and roll hall of fame thing. It's like well. There's also the football hall of fame's nearby. I don't need kings of leon. Before and after the draft starts could we agree though that whoever the host city is at any point. You're gonna be you. And i will be sick of the host city flourish and all the nonsense by by the end of the weekend. I'm not it is not at all. I'm just saying. Don't build the telecast around king. No but i mean the draft hadn't even started and dan was already sending hot techs about cleveland. People being fake tough because it was raining or something. I don't know what it was. The i know i don't know i think i texted clearly just to get a rise out of you but i usually wet and cold and miserable like oh. Let's put the draft in cleveland because the people are so greedy. Like how about somewhere seventy four degrees and sunny over thinking how about this. How about we returned the draft. So i could also like maybe see my family more than once a year. How about we return it to new york city. You know the greatest city in the world put in radio city and and kind of cut out some of this. I'm not going to get into it. I like the radio city business like you left with a back injury. You could barely sit in your seat on the way home. Well they could make some changes and updates to the venue. perhaps although i do love the the Kind of spirit of radio city music and its place in manhattan's history. We're made for for like the average. When the average was my size. Like fenway park seats. They're not facing home plate in. They're like the one hundred forty pound guys like honestly I kid you not because we used to go there every year for the draft and they would just stick you in the one thousand nine thirty seven seats were five foot to one hundred fourteen pounders and my neck got messed up. That i was in physical therapy for like six months and those spinoza. I was like what you can't do that so you can't sit that way. Did the nfl like show anymore concern for that. Then they did for the room in your house being used for their earnings goods and wares. But i would also remember that at radio city when we weren't sitting in those they had you sitting in the chairs with wooden pieces of wood on top of that. You put your laptop on first of all a fire hazard. But there was like they'd have us doing auxiliary work up in like the makeup rooms for like the rockets or something. It couldn't have been more bizarre. Slash graham rewarding. I dunno. listen. I not not for me. I mean the nfl wants to send me It's it's a blessing on this end. All right i see how this is what it was honestly. A career highlight. When i lived in new york to cover the draft in new york. That was sort of always my dream to like cover an event without like leaving the city and getting to do that for four or five years was like a thrill once i move. Yeah it would be nice to bring it back. did i also treasured the experience. But i didn't like lion rally at as much. But now i would. I haven't been there. And it does ricky points out. The super bowl will be in los angeles this year. Greg so i guess pinch yourself. It's a little different like this. The idea of i literally like walked to the drab. You're like walking through the the going to draft. It was cool all right. So i like this. Pick a lot to shot. Bateman who our friend nate thais had pumped up as a wide receiver that he loved at minnesota. He goes to the ravens. The ravens said two first round picks a twenty seven and thirty one at thirty one. Take jason away edge penn state And use rashad bateman guy with a lot of upside and thais as you recall. Boys was very big on them So you now. Add bateman to the hollywood brown Wide receiver group and okay. We're making some progress now. Needed him and i think a lot of mocks had him go in earlier and you can make plays down. The field seems very complete in away. I'm fascinated by. He's my sneaky. Good pick because he looks like a freak. You could make the argument just looking at his testing numbers that he is like as big a testing freak as any defensive end. Almost it's ever come back. Come out a. He reminds me a lot of david. Clowney that's kind of how he plays so if he has a career like cloudy and landed in the perfect spot like that can actually coach them up to to work with all. This talent just figure the ravens are going to make it work Payton turner defensive and goes to the saints. Eric saints fans for too excited about that based on what i was seeing on twitter a lot of. Wt f eight exclamation marks. That was yeah. It was a little bit out of nowhere but he. He said he's exactly like marcus davenport which is not going to get them excited either. I mentioned stokes. The corner out of george georgia went to the packers. Greg were so who's a guy that very polarizing as a landseer line About last week on our show or earlier this week this has been a very long week. He goes number thirty overall to the bills. So that's obviously a roster similar to cleveland where you don't see a ton of holes but getting another pass rusher in there with high upside That's a nice move. This late in the draft thing thrilled. I got there. I mean you all like i. It seems like every war room is just a bunch of people pumping their fists. But at the same time like. I think that was a little from the bills. I don't think that rousseau was someone. They expected to have a chance to grab any waiting there. Fake fist pumps. No think it's the kind of thing we're like. I get it like. Why would you like whoever you pick at that moment. But it's like who's really really feeling like holy f. We scored here. And i would put the bills in the higher echelon of feeling like holy f. We really scored here. The cowboys always laid on a little thick with their own tonight because they wanted to take a and it went. Cornerback cornerback in front of them. And then they trade it out so they were. I think big. That's also like more than any team in the league in terms of what they want to jared has a thirty seven hidden cameras all throughout the draft room trained on everyone. And if you don't have the exact reaction that he wants your gone right and they've been drinking whiskey since eleven. Am so the was the guy that cleans the glasses was. He didn't think i didn't see him there. There didn't catch draft always has a lot of people granted. I found it hilarious that the patriots entire draft room was belichick. Craft and one. Other person who i think was patricia. I think it was. That's that was their entire draft. They don't let anyone else. It's just like who By the way. Greg easy with the kings of leon slander. It's so easy but that band and now they're over the hill and I listened to the most recent album. And it's it's you know it's sad when it happens but Their time came and went. But those early kings of leon records were some of the best to me rock of their early to mid two thousand. So i'm going to just say that. I wanna i wanna get that out there in the want that to be on the record. Please respond. greg. No i i saw you know. They had a very Mixed reaction on twitter. Some people were very excited. You know a lot of the same people who like it when they play. Bruce springsteen and stuff and other people were like who are these. Oh you're so. I i like i love rosso at lot of rock music. Just not just not the liens. We have to keep talking till this burrito shows up by the way. That is a good point. I'm a little starting to worry about the burrito aha shake heartbreak. Check that out. Check that out. i know. Listen there's gonna be large swats of football twitter that if you're a veteran rock band cheap shots in because it shows that you're cool and killers of the strokes or something that i would have been about it why it's also just like the timing waste any band plane to take up. That time slot is really high. Like reanimate prince. Or it's something really big subject slot like the only thing i would the only comment i would make a critique of our coverages. We were very very plugged in on the music that was being played by the house. Band during the telecast wade there was one moment where. I thought that they did jet. What was it was it. Sweet caroline where. I don't need that song again now. Now now i. I remember hearing that and being like because it's the red sox song of course and I was thinking to myself. Oh this kind of went over well and now they're gonna try to make this a tradition. And now i got this song involved in the draft as well enough the sweet caroline the neil diamond stuff. Can we come down. It's an embarrassment. It's an embarrassment for red sox. Fans i think a lot of feel that embarrassment alongside with me. I thought the production was sterling. I just had a ball and watching the whole thing. Let's see now you're getting. Where did that. Where did the little Where did the little heading that said. The fully vaccinated room With some heroes. That was my favorite. That was my favorite part of the night was seen which which draft rooms were fully vaccinated or not because it said fully vaccinated draft room. With the falcons. What was that like. I think it was to promote getting that. Is it my. My wife made the same common. Why is it saying. Because it wasn't just the falcons of several teams. Why are they doing that was like i guess we're trying to be. Socially responsible has a league. I guess that's what it was all about or to explain this manning's i guess because patriots. It didn't say fully vaccinated and they were wearing masks so that he's again that gets you thinking this whole patriots mack jones. This this podcast is making me in like rooting for the patriots less. It's like it's not helping mission wanna give up on it. i'm. I'm texting. My wife about the rio. I will give you very quickly. My upside or was it your my sneaky draft pick. We know who it is. Greg newsom the second. no it's not. It's jam and davis all right. How long dj compared into darius leonard. Who i think is one of my favorite defensive players in the league right now and then david shaw this is. This should make you excited dan. David shaw basically said that. Like zack. wilson was like one of the most fun player to watch on. Offense was he the best quarterback i don't know but these most fun said they'll jamming. Davis is fun. But he's seeing the jam and davis was how expensive version of that. So he's on my radar. Wilson's almost guide overlooked on this podcast. Because we knew he was going there. But my god he he is going to light it up. I think i think early on. There's going to be a lot of good in a lot of bad but i. I think everyone kind of knows that going in. But it's gonna cautiously optimistic. I really am. Because i was i was in the camp and listen to this. Podcast knows that. I was caught on the side of keep darnold and give him a real structure and bring in some more help and see if he can get on track but now after going through this whole draft process if this guy special if he's special and he's fun any gets you out of your chair and he passes like that chris wesseling test where he's like. What's the first game. I put on on game pass like i don't think that was ever going to happen with western. Sam darnold the jets even darnold panned out. But if wilson can play he could turn them into like a team that they wanna put in prime time again and all that and there's a lot of hope and everyone's hung up on how young he looks. And i get that but that doesn't really matter i mean hopefully i also a little bit. He seems to be a little bit of the photo he sent out of him like staring down at his phone while these on the traffic behind them is a little bit of a red flag. But he's got some sanchez to maybe that's not so bad. When rich eisen put it out into the ether. That like that jets patriots. Mack jones versus. Zack wilson will be a prime time. I was like oh yeah. That's it will it'll be it'll be another together. I see some some baker dna. Maybe not. I'm not saying from the plane side but not heading headband. Wearing like you know a little bit of an edge which now we suddenly like already doing commercials which were which were already buying the products that he's pitching so you know it's the suddenly when it's happening to you like all these things are positive. So maybe we can at least have a truce and realize would like these quarterbacks with with a little bit of edge sale. what's wrong with the john baker. I never had a problem. Baker judge get out of here. Well you know he's just gonna play and he played very well. Then you're three i it. It's not just the play that we're discussing the concept that the one by five super bowl so shouldn't be doing an ad but now you're you're literally waiting for your wife to bring you a burrito that your quarterback is pitched before he's thrown a pass which by the way i couldn't be happier about but it's just let's be real here like the are the same situation. Young people capitalizing on their looks youth talent and position in life. it's more like the the baker commercials relentless the that whole everybody and then on top of like his like. Let me get my blog. Post in my tweet thread fired off. About how amazing this ad campaign is and it's like okay. Okay i mean. I think we all thought that was like totally misplaced in a terrible season. And we're watching eight televisions in our newsroom. They were good to stick with them though they were good. Stick with him. I mean what. What commercials get more pop than this. I think we can call it official. I mean we we know. He's a better commercial actor but baker mayfield. Did he did win. Over sam darnold. You know. that's that's over. I don't know one. True in terms of their picks. That's over the was more successful. Like no no matter what i do sidetracked here i think sam darnold wooded don just as well if not better than baker if you put them in cleveland. I really believe that i disagree. I think to be at best guess if baker of of course it is it beggars drafted by the jets. The jets would have drafted a new quarterback this year as well. I mean but you can say that been in world twenty five more minutes. You gotta go with the results you know. There is like the mariana winston that was kind of draw. This he he got. He got the decision. You got the win. yeah well. That's great congratulations. give them give them a huge contract. Give them a jared goff. Extend that goes. Ooh go is not but they're not doing that. They're not doing that early. Like other teams have. Let's not fight about this. Okay now especially after ninety minutes. Congratulations andrew berry. Though what a day. He had his kid morning on drafting. that's right. That sounds like a movie listeners. Who think there's too much jets. Browns talk just lop off the final thirty seven minutes of the show and you'll be fine in bucks fans are like what. What are you gonna get to our jobs on. I forgot about it takes he. He's the edge at washington. He goes thirty second overall to wrap up round one any final takeaways from the first round besides Drew brees new hair which that was a big one noticeable. Just wonder if there is anything else with the broncos in the packers and all this before here anymore whispers over to shut down and the they closed the curtain and everyone's left the stage. I think i found a way to like jam in all the i wanted to make even when it didn't really make sense in the context of what we were talking about. I think it is. It's all covered and And we do not need to cover tim tebow and his tryout with jiang and we do need to cover can but that will come on saturday. So don't worry don't i did not forget. We have an we have kim. Dj update which is outrageous. I can't believe can dj's still in our life. When when the draft was just about the star i happen to go to espn dot com. Robert can detaille signing with the seahawks was the fourth story in their news and their homepage. Just bizarre totally bizarre. It's because he fell out the window indo and that's why he he. Everyone is always fascinated by more than those of first round bust is he was. The guy fell out the window. And it's not just a sports story. Stick a pin in that All right good stuff. By the way we we As you saw no down on social media of your fan of the show Ricky had the great idea to go to dodger. Stadium me mark ricky. Mvp metabolic with lakisha and link. And what a great time. Though is that was for links first game. Unfortunately the resident show up eight zilch. They got beat But that was. That was very nice. Good to do which you haven't checked out to. I would also go. Look at the reds. What is it a onesie. I guess you could call it like they outfit. That link was wearing was one of the coolest kid baseball. Get upset i've ever seen. What is what a cute little boy he is. We had a great time with. Let's get it together. Reds you know. Stop being such a disappointment but while they did take two or three from john that was that was pretty good. I think a good seeing lincoln. The onesie to gave him the idea. It's it's too late for me. Not that i wanna be the one wearing it but if anybody's looking now that there's going to be halloween parties again for the twentysomethings which is a big deal As well at least. When i was in new york city I assume it's a big thing for the the youth post college youth A an adult onesie. And even where the diaper which actually wanna go all the way because you know when you're drinking a lot Wearing a diaper might. Actually if you really wanna get the functional use of you could do that but you have the onesie and then you just dress like a baby in a onesie. That feels like an absurd costume. That would have some legs. Yeah i think if you're if you're a female you also if you wanna be a real baby like get a baby's haircut or which i mean would make it just make it real because it's like girls are just like oh i'll i'll dress like something else and just be a girl at a halloween party but like let's strike the real realistic note. Shave the head very clean or have small baby hair on top of your head. You you definitely hit a hit. Something that's already been in mark's mind he's loving it now. I like it as a. It's a subversion too because you know a lot of things that happened at these these halloween parties girls or at least they did. When i was in my twenties dress up sexy right maybe instead of the schoolgirl outfit. Now your baby and you're saying i don't like that whole like i'm going to sexualize myself. I'm sure i'm cranking the clock all the way back to babytalk including that. You're saying respect me take to you re trying to turn me back saturday with a full. 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