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"shishir" Discussed on Inside Intercom Podcast
"So they've been available for a few months. Now what is some of the more popular packs that use monkey customer base. Yes we were. We're seeing a lot of interesting package. A lot of it is on services. You'd expect that everybody uses you know g mail and calendar and slack and so on but some of the most interesting ones are services that people might not naturally us or to us you know. As an example we had a real estate agent Right in the other day asking if she could send text messages from dock and we said absolutely and she ended up using the tulio pack which is probably a service that You know she would never really think of because it's really built for developers and so i think it's one of the really interesting things about taxes allowing a new set of services to address an audience that they may not have talked to before and now i've got to ask and coda eh table notion. It really feels like we're seeing this new wave of documentation and collaboration tools hitting the market. All trying to reinvent and i guess improve workday And was only a couple years ago. That salesforce equip for an insane. Multiple table raised a huge round recently and achieved unicorn status. How do you see this market evolving. In the next few years it's interesting you've been around the industry a long time so i'm curious what you think putting it back on me. I'll take a stab well You know. I worked for atlassian for six years. Prior to joining unicom and Ours responsible way back in the day for Selling confidence and eventually marketing conference. And i think if i if i think about what's changed from ten years ago to today i'd put it into three buckets. The first would be just the evolution immaturity of the web browser. What you can do in the web browser today and what companies like code or allowing uses to do is just so vastly different to. What was possible. Ten years ago. When i used to give demos of confluence you know. Ten years ago. Using webex. I used to have to structure my demo to a t. So that didn't exposed bugs in the product and this was at a time. Where using a web browser to edit a webpage with something a look like microsoft word was a and so i think that would be the first thing like browse. Technology has just made so many more things possible in that user experience. Not only more powerful but enjoyable i. I think the second one for me would be as you mentioned earlier in our conversation. This shift towards the accepted use of software as a service tools in the workplace. That just you know has really lowered. The barrier to adoption to all of these types of tools and resulted in people bringing their own tools to work and if they're successful they off and on their adopted by teams and they spread organically throughout the company. And even if you are supposed to ask. It before you pull your credit card out you often don't think sas has been a big one and then loss sleep you know as we kind of touched on as we were talking about packs and hell packs have made things that were only possible by api's accessible to the broader use base. I think this increased accessibility to really powerful functions or applications of things like relational databases and functions. That you would only know if you ask someone who knew how to use excel really really really well and be able to use things like pivot tables. All of those things are now to so much more accessible and easy to use. Thanks to tools like coda notion anti-rebel How i do do differently. Yeah i think. That's i think those are really astute observations and lead to a lot of what we're seeing here. I mean i think i get asked a lot. Why why did you happen in two thousand six instead of in two thousand or or you know ten years earlier so on and and really it wasn't any one thing has lots of things happened together that make products like that and that that sort of emergence of new market happen and i think it's sort of similar thing here she said it's a mix of things like browser technologies and sas and and so on all come together you know. Our view of the world is that all of that is in a backdrop of this. This thing i referred to as a maker generation where everybody's expecting to be able to make their own tools and so our our approach is to try to give people a new set of building blocks and a set of primitives that they can then assembled together in to Whatever makes sense for them we like to say docks as powerful as apps. But that's our approach. And i think it's really exciting to see lots of people in the space building all sorts of new things. Okay so wrap things up. Let's talk a little bit about what's next week oda You've just go to one. What does that look like. We're headed next. Yeah so it's super exciting right now and i can. I can maybe give a little context on on on the the launch and kota window. No you know we. We built coda little bit. Non traditionally that we spent the first three years in south and we didn't talk about publicly reiterated a lot with our user feedback groups where we try to do it out of the public eye and then that group started to grow and we decided that to get to the next level of feedback. We we needed to be able to talk publicly about the product and so enlai twenty seventeen. We launched the beta and not those grade. A ton of people signed up and we let them in in batches to to be sure that we could get you know. Discreet feedback as as a product. Better and better and better and there have been tons of feedback but many of the masic. Why why haven't you launched already. But i felt pretty strongly that we weren't ready yet and to be clear product we've shipped. It's really useful to people. But i wanted to ship kota window when we could really describe and deliver on our core message. Would i view as our core. Promise our thesis back to the star this conversation and you know our relief. A coda is that anyone can make a doc. That's as powerful as an app and you know. Probably the most notable feature coming in kota window is a is a pretty significant rethink of our mobile experience and when we shift our beta we should have pretty spartan mobile experience and our our us definitely told us that but we you know it was intentional. We had an ordering in mind that we wanted to get the right building blocks in place and that would allow the mobile experience to work the way the way we really wanted so as people try the new mobile experience are going to find that it's craft around that that thesis that you know you can you bill docks as powerful as apps so if you go look at the coda temple gallery today. You know you'll see what i mean. And i think one of my favorite examples is from this guy ben in atlanta. He works at outdoor retailer. He teaches kayaking mountain biking classes and he built this this doc and coda to manage the bike inventory for the office. They release these bikes out or rent. These bikes out to to people. And it's really cool doc. It's pretty simple. It's got a table a bunch of us and some some buttons in it but You know we're we're building mobile. We showed it to them and loaded on his phone. And and you know he was just shocked really. A went from his expectations were that he was going to see a spreadsheet like squinty view of his. You know his beautiful document and instead he would. He's al- thing that really felt like an app and every interaction felt like he was built for mobile. And you know the the tabs at the bottom made sense the actions. He had set up on the desktop. With all these buttons it turned into swipes on rose. And you know he had spent an afternoon building. This thing that he thought was a really cool doc but you know when he opened on his phone with sort of no additional work. It really felt like an app and something that he could handle the rest of his team and know that they'll be able to directly use it and so anyways but between the the mobile experience and what we discussed with packs. I feel pretty good about making this. This crazy statement that we're delivering on this promise that anyone can make a doc as powerful as an app and you know one way to think about. It is the mobile experience. Makes docs.
"shishir" Discussed on Inside Intercom Podcast
"So speaking of coda. We've recently started using it very heavily as you probably know vinnicombe and it started in. Rnd team using it for roadmap planning and goal tracking. And what's particularly interesting at least to me. Is that how quickly it spread rather into other parts of the business Just yesterday someone in the product marketing team shed a coda dock with me. That's acting as the entire project plan and content repository for an overhaul of marketing site. That we're working on and i absolutely love it. I love seeing people find you in interesting ways to use coda Because it's such a great tool is our experience that we've had it in a com- common do you see that at other customers to. Yeah it's it's super common. I mean i think the you know and it's probably different variations of different company sizes larger companies folks. Like you guys like uber or spotify. We'll see this pattern where one team starts with coda. They build something great. They see this new set of building blocks but all the teams are really interconnected and so in that same group. you know. there's a marketer sales person. hr person and they they realized they can use the same set of building blocks solve a totally different set of problems. So they take it they go they go back to their team and and start something new and it can happen in sort of unexpected ways was just talking to a user at a A large newspaper and they've been using kota for a lot of different things and we were just talking to their team. And you know. One of the persons on the team mentioned that The thing that are most excited about whether you're using coded plan their holiday dinner and so there's sort of lots of different ways that that happens. Smaller companies are interestingly. A little bit different. You know i was. I was helping out this customer the other day on intercom of course and they they run a set of beer festivals and in europe and. Interestingly the dock was in danish. So i had to have google translate up to try to try to help them. So maybe new feature for entercom the But you know he's describing what he's trying to do in the stock and in that case is like almost the opposite. That doc did like everything for this business. Like there's this one place and it had like you'd be like ten different apps. It was like his crm tool the trial because vendors and it was like it was his calendar and as inventory and sort of building. This thing out to do all these different. Things is another one in In virginia called hudson henry granola and They run their entire business out of coda. They've like you know it's inventory system. They both this really cool time card system and time tracking system but we see president all the time that especially in smaller businesses. They'll take and they'll take all the building blocks and sorta like build up this one big thing and then larger business. We'll see that they'll they'll learn one pattern and also break apart into different different solutions in different places but sort of same idea. Once you learn this new set of building blocks you can literally. There's no end of the places you can use it right so you recently went to these. Things will packs which connect you coated ox to the apps that you use every day The ones that your teams minority used to communicate code and design in the appeal to me is obvious with paxi can sync data across all these different tools and optimize workflows and processes and avoid redundancy and kota sits at the center of all. Tell me though. What's the underlying product strategy. Play here did you see coda becoming a platform for the workplace for the entire workplace lajoie. Yeah love it. Packs our newest building block. Maybe i i should explain what packs are the history is we. We are about a year ago. Got lots and lots of feedback. Thousands of different people gave us different instructions on what they thought we should do and By far the most common was you can go to the rest of the world. And so that's basically what it does is every coda pack connects coda to another service and the way. That's that's appropriate for that service and so for example you know. There's a weather pack where you can continuously pull local weather data into your doc or you can pull from tools like your calendar from get hub But you can also do it the other way you can interact with the world and so we have a concept called buttons and you can initiate actions and so you can send emails from coda you can send text messages you can initiate conversations on on intercom and super interesting to see what people are built with this. You know actually you. I think intercom is a particularly good example for this when when we were building the intercom pack. I came by here and showed it to show to dez. And and he gave me a bunch of advice in great ways to think about it. You know we're big in accomplishments. Well and for us it performs too big functions. It's like this communication channels. We can talk to everybody. But it's also store of record for our for our user data and when you make add accessible to dhakal all sorts of things can happen and you know. The the most obvious example for us is like routing feedback so one of the benefits of intercom. Is we get this really personal human experience for our users but one of the implications. I think some people think it's a downside. I think that's short sighted. Is you generate lots of feedback and so you get a lot a lot. You know you talk to us. They're gonna talk a lot. And usually i think that gets kept in in a lot of organizations we see that gets like kept intercom and a bunch of support. People know it but doesn't sort of flow through the whole organization. And so what we did. Is we use that enter. Compaq and now all that flows into a kodak and gets synthesized prioritize categorized by the park team. But the best part of what happens next because we can take that we take that group of users and we can communicate back with them and so we can say things like is a group of people you know. They complained about a bug. And so when we fix it. And we mark that in one system then You know the kotak triggers and automation and all that automatically goes and reopened all those conversations on with a little message that says. Hey this thing you reported you know two weeks ago or two months ago. It's now been fixed Please give us feedback. And you know that loop is really hard to create. And it's you know it makes us feel it makes our users feel like we have superpowers. Must be all the time and it makes us feel really good about working on the right different things. But that's sort of the idea that packs allow everyone to orchestrate the world and the way that they know and you no longer have to be a developer in order to do that. Yeah i think the the important point there is regardless of the sets of tools. You using you wanna be able to create these closely workflows and try to coating them. Yeah they're was hardly accessible to the. I guess. The bro said he uses in packs make that accessible so they've been available for a few months. Now what is some of the more popular packs that use monkey customer base. Yes we were. We're seeing a lot of interesting package..
"shishir" Discussed on Inside Intercom Podcast
"I call it the maker generation and actually think you could go back for a moment to where we started the discussion with you too. And i think this this maker generation is happening across industries. And so if you think about youtube we spent a long time explaining an evangelizing that anyone of the world was capable of being a video creator that you didn't have to move to la and pass them hollywood tests in order to be the next out khan and i think that happened in video but it actually happened in many industries. Like if you look at you know what he did for for people that that can build crafts and products or if you look at the gaming industry and you know what people are doing these days in minecraft and fortnight and this expectation now that users can design their own experiences. And that and i think that's that's an idea. Every industry's embracing slowly is that their communities aren't as users of their products but there are actually makers and contributors to that to that product and so in some ways. I think what we're seeing. Software is just the next phase of that. The way i look at software as i think software itself has gone through its own generations and at first software was built by by hobbyists and You go back. There were the days of the homebrew computing. Club was like steve jobs and wozniak and gates and so on and you know everybody just took their tools and built what they needed and then it was sort of big right turn and we had this phase of these large mega application companies and the sap's of the world and you get one big thing deployed for for a whole company and it would solve all problems and you were sort of forced to use it as you described it. And then they're the there's this this phase it started. I think in the early two thousands with this explosion of apps and in the business world that was mostly enabled by by sas by by these softwares as a service companies and the user behavior. Change now all of a sudden if you had a problem and you know you're a manager of a team yet a problem you can take a credit card and you could go by solution to your problem and you didn't necessarily have to ask. It and you had you know thousands of things to pick from and you could buy what you needed and action. The consumer world same thing happened you know with all the app stores is. There's now like tons of different things to go by. But in this next phase you know. I think we're entering softwares version of the of the maker generation and i think people don't expect just to buy things anymore. They expect to be able to to make them themselves. You know. I like betting super heavily on this my leg. Much like You know youtube bet on the same movement in the video space And i'm guessing. There'll be similar levels of people that think it's a little bit crazy which is Which is fine with us. But i think it's really inspiring. Because i think when when you hand people the ability to solve their own problems they do much better job and i think we're gonna see sort of similar to what youtube did in video. We're going to see this explosion of creativity as people take these tools and solve problems in ways that nobody really expected. I think it's really exciting..
"shishir" Discussed on Inside Intercom Podcast
"There's no characters there's no music. No theme song already. Sounds crazy That's it right. He would have gotten laughed out of the room and instead because he didn't have to ask anybody. He got this like ability to to show off his talents. And so you know when i go back and think about moments where this these is like went from being a theory that you could see in a in a paper to being like real is like watching this guy that clearly in the previous role that had no shot you know when when i looked at until like if he can bet his career on it. Then this is going to work and so that was probably first big moment for me. That's a fascinating story and isn't it. Funny how some of the most successful outcomes start off mistakes by leaving his video. Yeah right exactly okay. Let's shift gears a little bit but go back to talking a little bit more about your experience. Working at youtube during that period of hyper growth in particular. Let's talk about what collaboration within and between teams look like with any specific ways of working or tools that you used or other pain points that you experienced that inspired you to found toda- yeah definitely i mean in fact the way we use youtube internally with one of the big inspirations for for coda and reflected an observation i'd had for a long time and maybe context the view to you know bought into google but was really a pretty separate company. I mean we had a separate office. We had a separate brand. And so we had some freedom to try your own on techniques and you know obviously the best of where we could from google but we also adjusted when when we wanted to do things a little differently and when i talk about the history of kota i only talk about this to observations at that. Dr coat on the first one is that we think the world runs on. Docs not apps. And this was something where you know was very true at at youtube and there was a bunch of examples. I mean. google uses a system for goal. Setting called okay are Pretty popular used by a lot of other companies now There's a particular way of doing it in a tool set for doing. It didn't really work for you to You know we were shipping. This mobile app that had to go on a certain cycle and so we need to set goals a little bit differently and so we redid our process and you know what did we build it in. We built it in. google sheets. Goes the most obvious thing to us. you another example was the performance review process at google had a particular set of values. I this crazy theory around doing level independent performance management and so. We did that in a completely different way and ended up doing this. Big network spreadsheets. You know one of one of my favorite examples is the If you hit flag on a youtube video back in two thousand nine it would create a row and a spreadsheet on off person's desk and all of this you know some people saw this is crazy. I saw this as our sort of strategic strength. We could be because it was our system we could be nimble and how we plan we could adjust our performance system. You know adjust how we thought about our different workflows and sort of do it the way the way we wanted and all of it was done in dachshund sheets and so we were thinking about starting coda this this observation was you know pretty core and when i looked around i just saw the same pattern everywhere. Every time we looked at we'd we'd ask a team like what tools use it work and they would name a bunch of software and then you'd watch them in the us you know dachshund sheets to do just about everything and i really was crucial to this observation. The world runs on docs not apps. Yeah it's it's interesting that everyone wants to adopt these standards or these frameworks and ways of working. Okay is being a prime example but you need to be able to adjust and tinker and and tweak it a little bit to make just for you So we've talked a lot about docs and spreadsheets. And here's a fun fact to you but you already probably know this. The twenty nineteen is actually the thirty year anniversary of microsoft office. Yeah and it's in the dna of just about every productivity app suite including google zone g. suite given the approach that you guys are taking coda and everything that you've learned along the way what limitations do you see with that office model. Yeah the dna. That's an interesting frame for the dna frame. Actually i'd say that the core metaphors actually go back even further because office itself was a set of tools before that that also shared a lot of that those same similarities. We have this this joke. We use it at work. Which is that. If austin powers were to pop out of his freezing chamber. This movie was on last night's it's very fresh in my mind on the flight home from dublin. Did you really so it's so good. Yeah i don't know. They don't make comedies like that anymore. So austin powers if he popped out of his freezing chamber he wouldn't know what close to where i wouldn't know what music to listen to what he would absolutely know how to work a document a spreadsheet presentation because they haven't changed since the seventies and the and the metaphors back. Then from you know if you take wordstar visit harvard graphics. They all set these metaphors that we're all used to now like what. What does it mean to be a document and how to pay structure. And what our size of glazed or you know if you think about spreadsheets even concepts like you know a one b to c three this thing we call. We call that battleship. Like that's lasted forty years and it's you know it's a little bit nuts that in that period of time every other piece of software is completely different. I mean you think about like operating systems we went from like you know dos to android to make we. You know you think about things like you know. Databases or search engines or social networks and messaging tools like everything is completely different and yet there's this this thing we use all day long we use it to run our teams or families or businesses. And that thing is stuck in the austin powers passed and that's really sort of like pretty critical to the the code view of the world because sort of second observation coda like first one is the world runs on dachshund after the second one is like those docs haven't changed in forty years. And so you know when we started we started with like the the the statement we wrote was what if we started from scratch and start with a new set of building. Blocks ignored the past. What would what would we build probably worth mentioning i. It's super risky to do this. I mean i. I get asked all the time that it's been that way for forty years. That doesn't mean it's really good as a you know why why bother changing it broke. Don't fix it. Yeah exactly and if you know it's been there for forty years and it's people are very used to it and so we have to be made to be really careful and you know if you try to change something like that you can you can easily overshoot. And and so. We try really hard to be familiar when appropriate and adjust in and new when appropriate. But we felt pretty strongly that the time was right to build a new type of dock and reimagined from the from the ground up. Yeah i think to your point like one of the hottest challenges with changing a way of thinking with someone's use of it's been around for such a long time that this so familiar with is that people don't like change and making that change and shift and behaviors incredibly incredibly hot but you guys are doing a tremendous job. Thanks so you've these documentation and spreadsheet tools haven't changed for the last forty years and on the flip side we're seeing more and more workers bringing their own favorite apps to the workplace Even with that happening we still see people reverting back to dachshund spreadsheets. Why is that the case. Yes i agree. I think the there's a freeze a use for this phenomenon..
"shishir" Discussed on Inside Intercom Podcast
"Ten years on We always convinced that it would be the success that it is today always convince. I think that's strong. I tell you i had I had pretty high hopes But it took a while before. I had real real confidence. And you know. I i'll your your recollection of that period is is definitely accurate. I mean when. I showed up the two thousand eight. Youtube was basically seen as A big mistake. It was losing tons of money. It was these grainy videos. It was big lawsuits. Cats doing things that nobody understood. And i would get these article forwarded from my mom that said you know. Youtube is is google's first big mistake and What are you doing and you know we. We had our confidence and our thesis and we could see how it's working. But i find that usually your confidence in a business doesn't come out of some framework it comes out of some experience and so so for me. My confidence and youtube was pretty formed around a pretty former two story. So there's a two thousand nine. I had At experience with this guy. Sal khan so sal runs Now runs single khan academy but at the time he was at a at a hedge fund and he he and i went to college together and he We have very similar pads in some ways because we both married are college. Sweethearts and both our wives are physicians. And so we would stay in touch and he Us over for dinner. This is two thousand eight. I just joined. And he's over for dinner and he said and i told him i said i just joined youtube and he said oh that's awesome. I use you to all the time. And i said like sorta like your you know your your Your story as i go. Great like It's a wonderful You have any feedback. It's on isn't that. I don't think you understand. Like i create on youtube. I publish on youtube as it. Oh that's interesting. And he told me the story and you know for for listeners. That may not know is sort of quick. Merging story is that he had a cousin in louisiana who needed help with their math homework and they can never find a time to get onto skype and be on the same time and so he told her. Just send me your ear problems. I'll solve record myself and send it back to you and the time. The most efficient way to send video over the internet was too and so we were like an email attachment service for him and it turned out that he left the public setting on so people are watching this video and And she tells me stories. Because that's kind of interesting and i didn't really think much of it. I went to work the next day. And i go and i look at the stat and i look at the education stats for all education channels and this was a people remember stanford. Mit had both committed at the time to put all their lectures online. So that all all like was full of great lectures. And i looked at the stats. I immediately email sal say. I don't think you know this. But your viewership is more than stanford and mit combined And you have to join the to partner programs. At the time you had to get invited to be part of the partner program and make money on youtube and so he says fi joins and then you know you fast forward a few months and the door for dinner again and i asked him you know house going and he says oh yeah. It's going great. Thanks for getting into the partner programme and kind of pulled pulled me aside a bit. And he says you know i've been looking and looking at my my checks. These checks coming from youtube every month. And you know he's a mathematician. He said there'd been extrapolating a little bit and i think we're like i can see when this is gonna pay for rent and you know i can see a little bit further and it might pay my head fund salary and he looks at me and he asked the question he says. What do you think. Should i quit my job and do this full-time and his wife looks at me. And like it doesn't say anything. Actually and gives gives me this debt. Stare says you know answer correctly. ignored her and i said look i'm not You know. I can't promise anything. But i'm betting my career on it and i think we have a real good shot at it. Told him what this is about and told him if you if you make the choice and i'm happy to support you're doing it and you know he's i'm sure he has the same question with thousands of people so my advice is probably just a small piece of it but the like the interesting thing if you think about that thesis online video is going to do to cable cable broadcast and just picture sal like even like five years earlier if he was if he had said say he'd gone in pitched the show to like pbs and he had said had this idea for a show and they might have said okay. Great so like what your education background and and you know what do you teach and say no i don't i don't teach them a hedge fund guy and it would've said Okay so what's your media background like. Have you ever done anything content. I was no never done anything. Okay what's your idea. And he said well. I'm going to start with the first problem in the algebra book. I'm going to solve it. And then the second and third to work my way all the way up to the end of the algebra and then we'll do next book and by the way i'm never gonna show my face in the video..
"shishir" Discussed on Inside Intercom Podcast
"Our guest today. Show is sha maroteaux. The ceo of kota doc share welcome to the show. Thanks matt thanks for having me for the sake of all listeners. Could you give us a rundown if you create today Let's see. I began my career at college. Went to mit out in massachusetts longtime ago. And i started. My first company is called contrada and then i spent Six years at microsoft. I worked on office than windows than sequel server than i moved back to the bay area and join google. I spent about six years most of that running the youtube products. And then i left google in two thousand fourteen to start coda. So he's done a few things. Yeah yeah incredibly impressive. Very very lucky career shops. How is that transition been few going from joint company that has google back to early stage. Small startup that his co. Yeah good question. I mean there's parts that are incredibly different parts. That are very similar. I mean there's I love the the some of the lessons. You learn at some of these bigger places your ability to carry them forward and re implement them in your own environment and sort of take. The best part of each one is Is always fun the If i had to pick like what's most different was of returning to being a maker. i went from most of my day being watching other people do things being in meetings and reviews and so on to all of a sudden you know i was there writing specs. Doing designs trying to figure out what the product was It's just like this Creative outlet that is you know. Sort of infectious. Once you start doing it again. It's always fun being outta. Roll up your sleeves and that type of work again. So code has been beta for about a year now and and exciting news You just release one window. Congrats thank you. Yeah it's a. It's been big week for us. You know came out of beta launch. Go to one. And it's generally available. Anyone can anyone can try it. The most important piece of launches a brand new mobile experience which is pretty awesome. But really you know for me. The milestone for coda window is that for the first time we're really delivering on our original. Promise that you can build a doc as powerful as an app and we're really excited about that soon. We'll talk more about it in a bit. Yes fantastic we big big fans and uses of kotohira unicom saw. I'm kinky more about what you guys are shipping and what's coming next The first let's talk a little bit more about how coda came to be so you joined youtube back in two thousand eight and you helped. Guide them through hyper growth after its acquisition by google. During that time what was some of the biggest lessons that you learned scaling the parked organization. Yeah so a lot of different lessons if i had if i had to pick one to to latch onto. It's this idea that i think most great businesses have a really really simple thesis and that that these is can be conceived pretty crazy at first There's lots of examples in the industry You know amazon. Has this really clear. Perspective on the world needs a universal online retailer. You know i. The way i think about the intercom one is that business should be able to talk to their their users. As humans g mail one was like you pretty sharp was that basically should never have to delete e mail and so some of these are sometimes hard to see. When i got to youtube in two thousand and eight. We had sort of a amazing growth in lots of different ways. But it took us a little while for us to be able to articulate our unique thesis clearly so so youtube thesis is that online video is going to do to cable cable broadcast. And the that we're gonna go from three channels three hundred channels and three million channels and interestingly the first time i made that statement online video is going to do cable cable broadcast talk at this conference in new york in two thousand nine and i i almost got laughed out of the room and just put it in context at the time. The youtube comparisons are our competitors so to speak were Company hold flicker and another company called my space and the tadesse audience. They looked at it and said this just sounds ridiculous guys up there talking about youtube in the context of cable. And what is you have to do with like espn and disney and all these cable channels and it's something we strongly believed and we leaned into and it probably took four years before people started repeating that line and nowadays when i say it people just sort of nod their head like it's obvious online video is gonna do to cable cable and broadcast but you know if i had to pick a lesson out of that period. It's that you know identifying your thesis hard but you delivered you have to execute it and you have to be completely willing for it to be misunderstood for a long period of time until you can really prove it to the world so play. Main youtube blessed. Hey you gotta stick to your guns and kind of to kind of prove your point. A fascinating story had recently from a good friend of mine. Who spent christmas with his family in australia. And all of his young nephews and nieces was that they don't watch tv they what she youtube and they only watch youtube artists which i found fascinating. It's it's incredible to see how that that landscape is changing. Yeah and it's so it's hard to appreciate now. with hindsight. the press thought that google had made a mistake when they acquired youtube back All those years ago Youtube of course looks very very different..
"shishir" Discussed on This Week in Startups
"And his case. It wasn't fifty miles. We literally moved into you. Know the space. Forty seven fifty sandhill. Where's dave a little office right underneath it. We office right. He's like. I want to be able to see what you come in and leave. I want to walk down the hill but the at the time argued with them. I'm like this like this is like so dumb. Like how boston's a great place and so on. And then you ask your later. And i would say there's something different about the The dynamics that allow for silicon valley to exist. It's funny when you to start really getting moving. And we started seeing people building real careers on youtube and so on this weird thing happen a lot of the move to la like a bunch of youtube creator all move. They didn't live in la and then we'll move and we'll why did they do that. Well in fact a lot of them live together. There's a lot of famous romances in marriages and out come out of that crew and but it was you know people like to be a bit around people a little bit density of the community and collisions. And all that that serendipity that occurs. I mean if you go to. There's ten thousand video editors and thousand operators who are available to you today to do a collaborative ration. We are at google at a very time. When i mean speaking and we're gonna date ourselves here but for young folks who are founders. Listening to this podcast used to be you had to come to live within x. Number of miles in your term. Sheet also founders. Who were young. I. i'm founders. Were not allowed to be. Ceo's of their companies and fact larry and surrogate google brought in professional. I'm using air. Quotes here eric schmidt and did a great job. They basically didn't think wall street will take larry surrogate seriously. They brought an eric schmidt. And then you were there with. Larry said you know what. I'm back in charge. I'm the captain now. And he had a view on remote work that he wanted to consolidate all the teams he was like enough of this distributed. Work i want maps and youtube and everybody in the same building and tell that story. Because i think it's pretty instructive. Oh boy this is So so you can be honest about it. Without burning burn relationship. With larry know they larry go to the best parts about larry. Is he tells you exactly what he thinks. And expect the same out of you. There's no there's no holding holding back. And i think is for anybody who spent time with. Larry he can make you think about anything. I mean he's got such a unique way of thinking about things. So as you described in twenty eleven. Larry took over as ceo made a bunch of changes. And he he turned us into business. Units like kinda crazy to imagine that like up to that point. We were like twenty thousand people and all of engineering. The products.
"shishir" Discussed on This Week in Startups
"About things like we need to get. We need to make decision decisions. Let's all get on zoom and switch. We need to make this decision. Let's all get in dock. We need to know each other better. Let's let's go. We trust building exercise. We need to like learn a little bit more about each other. Now let's get on zoom. That's actually very remote before this. We were not not this level like we we had. We had three offices in about ten percent of the team spread all over the world and of course now we're are much more so i think we've had ten percent of the company move since we started. Whoa like to other places. My co founder. Now lives in a big ranch in idaho. My like everybody kind of so. They're never coming back on. No they're not coming back because this is this is. Where do you think happens to san francisco. You've been awhile right. Yeah i've been here for almost twenty years on and off the i would say i'm of the i the set of people you know saying that goodbyes on twitter. I think there are pretty small minority. I think i think. San francisco's getting continue to be a very special place. When we started my first companies in trotta. I was living in boston. It was started out. I went to mit. And we were starting it out of school. And i still remember the vinod funded the company but i'll khosla one of his requirements in the term sheet. Was you have to move from boston. Silicon valley you gotta be within fifty miles of his of santo road. It forget this was in the term sheets. There was the turkey and his case. It wasn't fifty miles. We literally moved into you. Know the space. Forty seven fifty sandhill. Where's dave a little office right underneath it. We office right. He's.
"shishir" Discussed on This Week in Startups
"That question for youtube is because this formerly early thing the best ones leave right and so you know what what what are the best people that grew up on on youtube. Where do they actually make their money. I think youtube to take credit for justin bieber and that phenomenon would not exist for a lot of responsibility to be responsible for people's livelihoods and also not know them correct. Buddy mean oh you mean just like oh did in terms of running form like that. Yeah yeah people are dependent upon it. Yeah i mean. I think it's one of the things it's still the case. That youtube is the only truly open platform out there that pays people money at any reasonable level and will pay just about anybody. Money yet said it comes comes with a lot of responsibility. I think i think the team there are now. It's interesting. I i had an old boss told me. Once that every business goes through three phases. I hear a joke. Nobody believes in you. You're a threat. Everybody scared of you and your obvious and every presumes what you're gonna do is going to work and everything flips around and all you can do is wrong and i got to youtube when we were clearly. A joke like you said is big lawsuits. And so on. And i think i I was there and we got the lead it through that joke to threat period. I think i laughed right as it became obvious announced susan in neon scott. Not running running running youtube now. That team is now running through the obvious period. And the interesting thing about what you just said is like the responsibility that comes with with paint people's incomes you know in my face every article about it was like just so excited like can you believe kids.
"shishir" Discussed on Masters of Scale with Reid Hoffman
"That good and lots of lots of bad behaviors can happen out of that. Means that that presence and physical locations on all all starts to dominate decision making, which exacerbates things like group think. and. So the behaviors that you're forced to put in with a distributed team are a lot better. Note that she shirt isn't saying that chatting with your co workers at the water cooler or the coffeemaker or in the corridor is a bad thing. Indeed I'd bet the countless great ideas or breakthroughs have been made during these informal chats. But to share is pointing out that we can put rituals on a pedestal and then use this to convince ourselves that making any change is too risky. So, how does CODA replace that water cooler ritual so as to maximize it good aspects and minimize the bad. Humans need a certain level of mutual trust before they can give everybody the benefit of the doubt you need to find ways to do that and getting them together is a good way to do it There's lots of other casualties you can do it to to just encourage people to get to know each other better company work closely with colds. Appier has this tool that we've mimicked where they do. This matchmaking process where you get mattress someone and you do a coffee chat with them and and just kind of find ways to make sure people form bonds. The other one is it really pushes on over communication and so as an example, one of the things I do I started doing it youtube and I still do every Sunday night I ride a a male to the whole team. It's my in my own words summary of what how I feel about what happened the previous week and what I think is happening the next week often full a little bit of you know personal take on things that you know this thing happened and I thought this was great and I really WanNa celebrate this thing didn't or re contextualisation of things. Hey, we just had this major event happen. Here's what you should take away from it. It's an example of how you can create rituals that reinforced company culture and identity. As you scale historical context has lost very quickly and you just presume we've been there for a long time. Everybody must know all these different things and then at the end plus first person that comes into the company has no idea about all those things and I think it's a good example of I think you should probably be doing even if you're not distributed but you are distributed, there's extra reason to do it. Our companies rituals are vital to our success. But they can also keep us locked in the past, which is why we need to constantly ask ourselves, what rituals are we following that are holding us back and what new rituals can we create together that will be inclusive empowering and keep was all accelerating forward. I'm reed. Offman. Thank you for listening. And now a final word from our sponsor capital one business. We always wanted to create something that didn't assume that you had to decouple kindness with success. In fact, we see those two things highly connected. That's now. You'll meet here by off she co-ceo of shine we were just hearing from her co founder Mara lie about how mental health APP has helped users impacted by the pandemic and social unrest for their employees that's meant taking care of each other as well. At weekly reflection, we share one pride, and that can be a shout to the team something that you did one learning to encourage always growing, and it's a way to essentially practice what we preach because you can sometimes forget to take care of yourself. Showings. Weekly reflections helped the remote employees connect with each other a need Chang, saw in their users as well. We saw that there was a massive spike three, hundred percent in community discussions, and that's where we came up with this idea of China together where people can come together specific prompster experiences to share advice around how to better take care of their mental health. We have therapists to help guide the conversation, which is almost emotional networking Jen Gorbachev Commands Naomi an Mara for supporting their community and their team through this challenging time. The work that Naomi and Mara doing shine just incredibly inspiring. The world is recognizing the need for not only these resources but these voices this perspective, the authenticity that they bring to the table and capital one businesses committed to supporting and highlighting black business owners during.
Human Computer Interaction and Online Privacy
"My Name is Moses Namara I am a PhD candidate in University Walk Online privacy career, investigating people with experiences on expectations of online privacy I am. Originally from Uganda was pointing, follow on came to the useful known I'm on my way to getting that beauty, and when it comes to online privacy. Can you be a bit more specific? Are you concerned with things like the SSL level or a user's relationship to their browsers? Where your interests lie, my interests fly A. Team, so I'm coming in not at the technical aspect of privacy, but I'd be used experience aspect of privacy, and so the key question being held. We hope uses money to privacy online as most our lives transition to use of nine technologies. Yeah, in particular, has the you know, covid nineteen in the stay at home orders, and all these sorts of things. How has that affected the privacy? World has a fictive privacy in terms of most people now being forced to interact connects through various forms of technology, really honest, various forms students having to download and use online technologies. Stay in touch with teachers to parents. Adults having to Donald Shishir, meet the I in terms of. With the news better so making sure that they can connect with other people that no money they would have meant Christopher's physically. So in terms of how effective privacy is that? We're seeing a lot of people now. Adopting new technologies, they haven't used all use mobile technologies higher rate than they would know. Maybe do, and so that definitely being what technology they end up using presents, different privacy, issues and challenges. Is Privacy I don't know the truth to this. I'm not an immunologist. Human being stayed home for two weeks. You know the virus would be effectively defeat, even though that's kind of impossible, if everyone used two factor authentication and some simple protocols, would that solve privacy? No different in you hoping tons of protecting people's access to their online accounts online logging online, they need to log into right, but that's the security level in terms of offering people the option to actually secure log into their accounts and making sure archaeology, the possums were trying to request or log into the account, so that help secure the data in one aspect, the other aspect in terms of privacy is that we biscuit looking at the data that they explicitly maybe give to the technology will looking I at the data that the technology that they're using requires for you to function. Function with looking at the data that is not explicitly given by the user, but implicitly in five by the technology right based on different, maybe algorithms that use, and so we are looking at all these different aspects in terms of holidays uses to come into play on. How do we ensure weather? That access is restricted to only people who the used as comfortable sharing with all having people here? This is a really interesting comparison. You guys have in the paper that that will talk I'm sure a lot about privacy at a glance, the user centric design of glance data exposure visualizations. To impact there, but if you start with, could you expand on the difference there between privacy in terms of settings and privacy of data what say user giving up in each case I guess. Privacy in terms of sittings are basically the control is that guide enable uses to set or let be known what level of privacy they're comfortable with, and this is usually enabled by technology that they're using so these technologies like a social media. Company will site like this because controls that enable people to sit with the one I share Nixon, that fitting that level, and so this is hoping that way then we have privacy in terms of the data, so the data is basically any use of using information beyond what the primary purpose was, and so I think that's where the issue comes in comes of using this data in other secondary Rewe's deviant of the primary ways that someone has. To be used what I like to think about when I think about did yeah, when I'm installing an APP I'm often being asked. Do you give it permissions for your camera or this or that? And often it'll say you know access to contact the Internet, which is such a weird Pandora's box to me. You know it a weather APP THAT'S GONNA! Talk to the weather server and get the weather for my zip code, or is it an APP that's going to? Be All of my private data and send it to the mothership. I've never felt like I really had a good I could be turned that on her off, but I never had a full control setting. Is that something you envision that? Maybe users would get more control of or do we trust that the user can manage those controls maybe too complicated I don't know what do you think so? That's a sexually good that you raised that because my research looks at what is the comfortable level at which uses able to engage and uses controls, but festival demo countries. You have the more less likely achieve all. All those controls because yesterday, a huge number of them on so that requires quick native, if looked to the ARCUS, fully seek out of control is unused them appropriately, but at the same time we need such was in place, because then uses a able to explicitly kind of make the edition non or set a liberal privacy comfortable. We've now the trick becomes the paradox becomes. We have these countries in place, but we have fewer people using them right, and so it becomes a question of. How do we meet these needs where they are on? How do we ensure that they are motivated enough to actually? Understand what this is due on. Be Able to actually go unused him comfortably. So
"shishir" Discussed on Invest Like the Best
"Itunes and spotify offered was a way to pay for all the music. You Might WanNA listen to even if you're going to get access to some things that you might not have gone out and bought individuals and offering turned out to be incredibly Parker to use that terminology. What it allowed was it allowed for. Every consumer to all of a sudden get access to goods that they were casual fan up and turns out to be very powerful because the set of products for which any individual would pay retail and have the activation energy and find it. That's a product sentence to be very narrow but the set of that you might find utility in and you might find pleasure entertainment in or whatever it might be tend to be much wider than that so at one level spotify bundled together ninety nine cent purchases of music into a ten dollar offering another level. If you watch what it is doing now especially with odd casting is producing a bundle. That is really the Audio Bundle and Dana is a really good talk about the value of the eyes and ears and on a really good analogy for it but core idea being you can apply the same principle one step up and say not just about all the music you might listen to. It might be all the audio you might listen to. And then beyond that. What is built a set of bundling relationships across companies as well and one of the most popular ones is the spotify student. There comes with Hulu and showtime as well. There's a number of similar offerings. That have been made across the portfolio. But those sort of three different levels bundling up music only audio and then cross bundling across arts and services. Let's return now to the structure so introduced us to this first myth that you encountered and why almost the exact opposite is true. Yeah so reminder on the terminology math the way the papers written and I expect some of your listeners will wanna read the details. I'll try to cover it here but there's a lot of. There's a lot of fun in the details. This written as a conversation between me and what I call the myth maker and the midst maker. I think each reader could picture someone. Everybody knows someone who says online his bad. These are all the bad things that come out of it for the purpose of when I was reading the paper mostly just pictured myself so these are all things that I said ten years earlier. That's the way victory in the first one written in this paper is the most superficial and the highest align is the blanket statement bundling is bad for consumers as well as providers and the easiest way to understand this wine. Is You just start with the scenario described? Before I have three products I can sell them. Each Alencar can sell them in a bundle. What should I do? And what most people see in that. Sorta ran through the example. If I saw the car every product every provider only has access to super fans and every consumer on the flip side can only get access to products that they are a Superfan hops. If I have these products separate them out that's the value created if I put them in a bundle than I produce value in two ways for providers I give them access to casual fans and for consumers. I give them access to products that they might be a casual fan of us are music example earlier. What it spotify. Due to Itunes it allowed people to listen to music that they might not have gone out at ninety nine cents to buy and that value turns out to be really important and if you go look at the usage grass and so on what people spend their time listening to some of it is things that they might have gone out and bought and bought at nine cents or and record source on but a very large portion of what people spend time. Consuming are things that they value but they would not have met that super fantastic four so the first myth and then each of these has it of thesis that goes around with it is the way that bundling produces value is not by producing more super fans by producing casual fans one example. I like to use for. This is an example. People don't is. You'll see the ultimate fighting championship fan the OC. I'm not your description of its unaware of it but I'm not an active watcher Eh. Right right so interestingly. I sometimes talk in a room of one. Hundred people asked this question generally somewhere between two and five people raise their hand and Sam a fan of the FCC and generally those people raise your hand not a little bit in the air straight in the air. Because I'm sure you know someone like this or the people who are into ultimate fighting chip. It is a deep obsession some of it. There's lots of reasons why it's perhaps audience but I think one of the reasons is the Businessma you pay fifty bucks for a fight on Fridays. You invite your friends over and you watch if you ask the same question of people who are into the NFL Sarria fan of the NFL. A sustained group one hundred people and you'll get hands raised all different levels. Some people will say I guess. I watch super bowls. I'M A fan. So people say whenever my teams winning I watch all the way to the person at the end who says afforded Tv's I watch every game simultaneously every Sunday. My Fantasy League is my obsession and so on and one observation of that is the. Nfl vary widely distributed. And most of those fans can't really describe for you how they pay for the only. Actually no I come through my my Reisen bill myself. It seems to be free. I'm not really sure. Why and that reason is that that as a business focused heavily on casual fans they focused on distribution casual fans so backing all the way away up. The first myth is this sort of high level. One will get more practical in moment. Is I think that people will say bundling is cheating. Both consumers and providers the east are generally missing. Is that one done well. The way bundling produces value is by giving access to and revenue from casualties. I guess we're wind would go would be to say. I pay this however much per month for my cable. Bundle and only watch three channels. This is nonsense. I wish I could just pay those three channels directly. That sort of thing is sort of the reason. Why people don't like this concept but I think what you've made clear is I think the NFL example is perfect that if you take away all experience of the NFL from everyone except for the four screen fan that seems like an obvious negative right right exactly and the positive is because of the bundle. Yeah and by the way the example you just gave cable and why can't I just pay for three channels? You pause that one because that observation is very sharp on the consumer side and that's what made three is all about. We'll get to that in a second awesome awesome so the second myth is really about more than business model of this on the other side. Not The consumer side so much but will call the provider side so I I'd love a distinction between if relevant third party providers and first party providers and why there's this kind of weirdness around who should get what share of the Pie of the revenue that's generated from selling the bundle to consumers. Yeah so let's do deficient part. I so providers consumers bundlers. Most of this theory will divide the world and try to treat them neatly as divided between the provider the consumer and the bundler provider provides a good to consumer consumes it and the Bundler puts them together. It's not always that clean gave an example earlier sometimes the providers or bundlers themselves and to lots of different ways at that works. But let's pretend it's thing for moment. The third party versus First Party thing is interesting and one of the conjectures of this paper is all the examples given tend to be as you describe it. Third Party bundles. The bundler and a provider are different. Corporate ENTITIES. There many cases of what? You might call first party bundles where I have. Multiple product produced by the same company to Amazon Prime. To pretty good example Amazon has Prime Amazon music and so on New York Times of brick example they have not only the New York Times subscription but the offer subscription and food subscription. That goes along with the to they bundled together. There's also just one level deeper through this third party first party. There's also inside of a single product. You might call intro product bundles and from that perspective. I code as a pretty good example. Where the bundle is a bundle of products. It's a document a spreadsheet application all in one so multiple different ways it can be applied. I'll describe the terminology all in terms of third party. Bundles and thirty providers. Because it's easier to understand if two entities are separate but I think we should come back to that. I think a lot of listeners. That may not be the most practical application of this. It might actually be the inside a single company or inside a single product but okay so myth to so this one like you said to focus on providers. Three focuses on consumers in mid four will come back around the Bundler so myth to this one may seem odd to put as the second one as I've thought about the ordering understanding this one is the key to understanding the next set and the way has generally gets. That is a small sentence. What does the mythmakers say? The mythmakers says hey okay maybe I get your whole thing about casual fans creating value and the NFL examples are pretty good one but come on the bundlers clearly cheating everybody. They're paying everybody all these arbitrary rates they should just pay people fairly and bundling would work better and again. I'm putting the consumer side aside for a moment into focus. That's at all the time people look at it and say how does comcast get away with paying? Espn four dollars and fifty cents per month. History twenty cents per month doesn't seem fair now when people use the word fair they mean lots of different things but I find that most times what they mean by fair is by usage especially in Silicon Valley. That's the it's almost a direct proxy for that term the myth here to give the full sentences. The Myth is revenue from. Bundles should be allocated based on usage. How used to say this all the time or at Youtube building up these different products. And saying we're going to build this offering we're going to build a better bundling model and it's going to be more fair and what we meant by that was we're GONNA pay based on usage and as I spent more time thinking about it I realized not only is that incorrect. It's actually can lead to almost the opposite behaviors of what you really want to let me describe a little bit one way to think about it. So there's a little diagram in the paper that just lots out usage for some different properties. I'M GONNA use cables an example because it's very familiar but if you look back on paper written the first time post stats on this history channel on ESPN so uses to autism. An example history channel. Espn get about the same amount of usage if you look at it in terms of timespan rating points so it's very close and yet history channel makes about twenty cents per month per subscriber and espn make somewhere between four five bucks per subscriber per month. So what is the second access? What does that price access correlated to now? Usually you would buy go ask. People knew mistry. The term that generally gets handed back is anchor valley that axis corresponds to anchor anchor. Value is a word and a term that I use when the economic phenomenon is not yet clear as a kind of a made up her. It's not very descriptive. And so instead we started using this term marginal turn contribution. Mcc and it's pretty simple idea that access what anchor value represents marginal turn contribution is if I were to remove this one product from the bundle. What percentage of my audience would turn pretty easy to understand if I move? Espn from bundled. How many people turn and they've been a bunch of studies on this but the reason why. Espn is twenty times more than history channel is if you were to Spn for the Bundle Twenty Times as many people turn as if you were to move history channel. That core idea that bundles should divide up. Payment divide up the revenue based on M. C. C. As opposed to usage leads to a totally different way of thinking about the bundle. The paper actually even walked through some formulas for how to calculate this you can formulate arrived. At what a fair price would be a wholesale prices. How much you pay out to each provider and it is correlated mostly to this sermon. That marginal trunk. I think this concept is really interesting like this. To access. Chart for usage is on the x axis. Mcc is on the Y axis. It lets you plot all sorts of different businesses so what would be an example of say a very low usage but hi. Mcc business you could draw a diagonal through this chart. We owe back your very first question. Like what Superfan businesses casualty businesses? And so on so okay. Let's start where you start in the top left of this chart low usage hi. Mcc ANCHOR VALUE. WanNa use that term the typical example. I'll give it a sporting event you go to sporting event you bay hundreds of thousands of dollars or an hour or two of entertainment..
"shishir" Discussed on The Box Of Oddities
"S- like an insurance claims. Men just comes around well let me see the the corpse please K.. In some wax no it's incorruptible. That'd be a cool job. Water responsibility though. Oh for sure. Yeah Imagine Imagine Accident Guy but imagine you're called in into to determine whether or not one of these bodies is incorruptible and hands a saint and that saint is up in heaven watching it and the guy screws the call he says No. This isn't a saint and the saints up their son of a in my mind. That's how I would share Shishir. Well a lot of the incorruptibility nece has to do with how pliable the bodies are. So you know you really you may just have to go in there and give them a little jiggle and and see see what happens there. Simple apple simpler process than have envisioning. I mean I. I don't know you know it could be. I think it would depend on. How seriously you take your incorruptible claims? ADJUSTER job uh-huh. Yeah anyway so there you go The incorruptibles saints who are Pliable and smell good and are covered hurt in scary wax.
How Coda Is Making Docs as Powerful As Apps
"Of apps Stokes and spreadsheets that still run. Absolutely everything. Do you ever wonder if things could possibly change? Well about a year ago, a company called coda came out of stealth with the promise that anyone could make a document as powerful as an app, and now they're making good on that promise. And since the beta phase tens of thousands of people across thousands of teams are using coda every month and we've got some big companies involved here to such as cheddar, Spotify, an Uber as well as small businesses just the Hudson baking company of all being building coda docs, to create solutions to that. Very real problems. If you go by the coda website, whilst you listening to this podcast, check out that gallery to say some of those coda documents. So a couple of weeks ago coded and then new type of dog released code at one dollars. Zero and with it. That was a new mobile experience available on both mobile web and oil s so the concept of a dog being as powerful as an app, captured my attention. But when I also learned the as a rich tech history working at Google, and Microsoft, I had to get him on the show to learn more. So book elope, and hold until it, so I can be me is all the way to California, so we can speak with Shishir have Roger CEO and co founder of coda. So massive warm, welcome to the show. Can you tell the listeners Labatt who you are, and what you do or thanks for having me Neil? Notre, I run a startup called Kuda that I've been working on for the past four, five years before that I spent about six years at Google, I most of that working on YouTube. I ran the tech side of YouTube, and before, though, it's been about six years. Microsoft, worked on office windows and sequel server and before that I started a another startup colts and Trotta. I quite a while ago. Now. On the tech podcast. I love hearing about how techies transforming every industry, but also often, more importantly, the story behind the solutions slowly changing the world. So can I ask that you share your journey that began with an observation the world still runs on documents and spreadsheets for us four years? Okay. Tell me about that and the inspiration behind what you're doing. Yeah. Sure. So KOTA where we're building. A new type of document it blends the best of documents spreadsheets presentations, applications into one new surface. And we like to say that it allows anyone to make a doctor's, powerful an app and the, the idea for the company came out of two primary observations of the world. The first is that we think that docks not apps around the world. And so we look around and look at our teammates or collie or you know, what people do at home or school, and you ask people, what they used to keep themselves productive or or management system. And so on, they'll often name some packaged applications that they've that they've bought or things they built in the across all sorts of different examples. But the if you actually observe them and you walked what they're doing. You'll see them in documents and spreadsheets all day long. And this is something when I worked on the office team it was something we used to talk about as we saw in our user base. But when I got to Google particular when I got to YouTube, it, this is became very start for me. This is right, when Google doc. She's coming out, and we basically ran the entire company on, on Google docs and sheets. And, you know, things like the way we did go planning or the way we did performance management. Or you know, one of the fun stories was at when I joined YouTube back in two thousand eight if you hit flag on a YouTube video on the website, it would show up as a row in a spreadsheet on an ops person's desk. And that's how that's how he managed thing. So, you know, so there's a sort of first division, that, that even though there's all these applications out there. Everything still seems to Ronin documents. Spreadsheets. And then the second observation is if you look at those documents and spreadsheets, they haven't really fundamentally changed in over forty years. And we have this running joke at the company that if Austin powers to pop out of his freezing chamber, he wouldn't know close to where or what musical listen to, but he would absolutely know how to work document spreadsheet and a presentation. And it's a pretty simple reason all the metaphor for those tools for set in the nineteen seventies Wordstar and Harvard graphics and visit Cal, you know, gave us all the metaphors that were still using today. How pages are laid out in the document house. Lives related presentation spreadsheet everything, like how you do a one b to see three that we've all gotten used to we like to pull up battleship all those metaphors have state, exactly the same forty years and you put these two observations together, and it sort of interesting. You know the the this surface that what are the use cases fundamentally changed. And we're, we're now using this not just for digitizing, you know, paper documents and slide decks, and so on. But we're actually using it to run our teams and our families and our. Businesses we we use it all day long. We stare at it at all of our productivity done out of it. And yet, we're using metaphors that are forty years old every other piece of software in the world has has changed in that time period, you know. So what about what about documents? And so that's how we started. We said what, what if we were what if you were to backup ignore history and start from scratch, what would we build that, and that's what we've been building? A new type of document fun. Fantastic, especially because if you'll buy ground being at YouTube, and Mike self and seeing firsthand, the heart of the tech industry. But you tell me well about how that moment that you realized that if you're going to build a new type of dog, you really were going to have to start right from scratch. I mean, it must be quite daunting. Yeah. I think it's one of those ideas that, you know, I always like to say the, you know, the sort of two questions, I ask people when they come to me and say, should I start this company and always ask them? Do you have an idea? You can't imagine not working on and do have a person, you can't imagine not working with and is rarely the case that the answer to both those questions are. Yes. But when they are, it's, it's sort of inevitable. You can just you can see the gleam in and entrepreneurs is they, they can't help it started and, and it almost becomes an obsession. So, so when we were getting started myself, my co founder, Alex tonight, you know, he was actually working on another startup at the time that, you know, thankfully wasn't going that while, and so I was helping them brainstorm other ideas, and, you know, one of us one of us wrote the sentence on the board and said, you know what, if what if you can make apps easily as you can, as, as you can make dogs and once that showed up on the board. All of a sudden, we had this whole list of ideas, it just kind of snapped into place and we. You know, we could just sort of picture the product, we could picture all little elements what we need to get done. And it was it quickly became clear that none of those elements are things where you could just slightly twist, one of the existing surfaces and, and have it just worked that you had to sort of fundamentally we start with a different type of information model and you know, everything from very fundamental concepts. Like, for example, we don't we don't differentiate between documents spreadsheets presentations, all in one surface down to like very specific. Details of the ways that, you know, the way our tables were presented as a lot closer to a database into a spreadsheet, and we have an interaction model people. Call buttons or week all buttons. And people, people really like that people use to setup actions in workflows, and so on that are all these, you know. New types of building blocks reframed in a way that, that have to have to fit together perfectly and that point, we can picture the product. It was really clear that no, we weren't going
"shishir" Discussed on 1150 AM KKNW
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"shishir" Discussed on SOFREP Radio
"I mean, I guess if you fucking kick back and smokes, create them or pop creidim pills for a week straight. And did nothing else. I maybe kill you. Who knows marijuana? Can't can't physically kill you. So he was actually brought that up and he said for marijuana to kill you'd have to smoke your own weight and marijuana. Physically possible. No one's ever overdose. It's not it's not going to kill you. Yeah. So I'm just glad to bring awareness. You know about this issue speaking, Joe Rogan can't wait here. Mike Tyson on the Joe Rogan podcast is that he's having him on. He's been teasing that out. And I'm I'm excited here. Mike Tyson on his podcast and I'm excited to hear Konya west. There's five Tyson has fucking crazy stories. I read his book it was it was an experience. Even remember when I think maybe he went on Howard Stern and he was talking about prison sex. Yes. He did talk about. And then there was true there that he was like banging. And when they have that when the guests visitors come, and they don't check you for Chris what's Pani up as on. Holy fuck and Mike Tyson was treated like a celebrity in jail. So he got away with Shishir. But if you're if you watched that documentary, and it's on Netflix as well Tyson, really good documentary. I would I would definitely recommend it. But crazier stuff happened. To him after that documentary. I mean, the guys just had a string of some bad walk in and a lot of poor decision making. But remember his his young daughter and think who was probably maybe four years old getting choked by extinction cord on a treadmill and dying. Oh shit. I was shortly after that documentary. So it's just like one thing after the other price. Yeah. And he seems like of you know, for a guy who was so violent, and so aggressive and people have their opinion on on whether he is a rapist or not. I mean, that's what he went to jail was convicted. But he was certainly without a doubt like a sexually aggressive guy. He would say that himself in his book an inappropriate, he's he he doesn't he he proclaimed Venison's, but he's definitely a very overly aggressive guy in that manner. If you see them now in interviews, he seems to have gone like the completely other direction. Really like, very peaceful guy doesn't if it's actually why I suggest all you watch the. Documentary..
"shishir" Discussed on Chrisley Confessions
"Been bothering me years. Leave or. Me working on getting a permanent asset. But I just wanted to own Hugh, Hugh, what would be the thing Shishir do keep which impermanent put him out. I would have to be for you put him out. Let me just share something with you. If my child put their hands on me, I would put them out. I would lay them out. Oh, Jesus, please. Keep me close to the cross. Because if one of my kids come at me with an say staff does she? Yeah. That her daughter stabbed her in the leg. Choked her that she can't sleep. This chicks gotta go after the mother has reinforced in her child who the mother is. Because they you know, how that would go down in our house. I'm from South Carolina. I believe is smack in the shit out of somebody puts their hands on you. I come at you. I put my hands on you. But you put your hands on me. And you don't let these clothes. I got on food you because I'm I like to fight you know, that will never is going to be fighting. This is combat in her Ohio. Yeah. This is your home you have to lay those ground rules. You have to have those that boundary, and if your child cannot respect your boundaries, then they must have a better plan. And they do they gotta go because. Yeah, they are putting their hands on you. If they're putting their hands on other. Children in the home. No that can't work that just can't work. Can you imagine if chase came at me and said I'm on Joe as daddy. Yeah. Wouldn't be good. I with throat less. End up. We are praying for your family because obviously you need it. I am praying for her family. But I'm praying that she smacks shit out of her daughter. That's what I'm praying far. I'm praying that you remind her who her mom is. And I got also know what you've been doing as a mother that your child feels it's okay to disrespect you to this level. Nephew in church. You run into jobs. You've always kept a roof. Over ahead. You kept McLean. Cafe in this. She still trying to cut you. Nah. Nah. Come South Carolina. Let me let me teach you how we would handle that end South Carolina back in the day today. It's kinda hard for you to kind of choke choke a child out when I do something like that. Because then you going to jail because the DSS is going to get involved because they can handle it better than you can even though they lose in kids in the system every day and don't even know where the hell they play some. But thing Hanley better than you..
"shishir" Discussed on MMA Junkie Radio
"I wish should remember, man, get Frank MIR on that show was fun. Really? Yeah. What was he laughing about too stupid questions that we would ask them, but then he'd start laughing, but his laugh would make us laugh. And then we all start up. Okay. Well, see, you can get them laugh or see if you can get them to remember that incident. Okay. Have you brought it up to him since now pushing ten years, something like that. Right. Because we weren't even here yet than studio. Right. So past ten years because this is war on our nine nine and a half year nine and a half. How would you say your year? Why they were on nine and a half years. You can't do anything a nine and a half, then call it nine and a half years. But because he would say ninth year, but yeah, Chris let is one of those guys that kind of tie in with a lot of things though. I mean, you know you guys mentioned your interviews, which I've heard on this show him someone was mentioned. You mentioned in the day, George, the pay per views, and you use, you meant you through in the Shane carwin, verse Brock, listening and wasn't that one of those really stat cards where I think they had Matt Brown versus Chris Lytle, and that was one of the first cards that's Nelson memory. That was also one of the first cards. I remember because one of the first cards I called in, I think I called in broke down the main card as Christopher, walk in the show. I don't know if I told you guys at the time I told you as later I fest up to it, but yeah, and then you know, like I said, this weekend was doing the top five welterweight wars. So I felt like I went through almost all Chris levels career because he has authorised career from beginning to end. Like, really, you know you, you forget about, you know, of course, let over Tiago Alvarez and he's. He's early on fights, but at that one. Really? Yeah, that was that's the one that I've always said. The loudest strike strikes. I've ever heard in a fight. We're in that fight your way at mossy forty-seven or something. It was in knows in the eight. It was New Jersey, and it was when Lytle and Alvis were throwing late kicks back and forth. Remember the buds and the smacks when we were just like Jesus Christ out, are they still doing setting? Stop that one of the doctors around? Yeah. So here we go. Here's the card Lessner Carwyn. Okay. LeBron archea about that? It was leaving. He hadn't. He just fought two weeks before it was either that or he was fighting next after that. But yeah, yeah. Turnaround rate run. Then you had Lytle in Brown house was mentioned by Dan, Tom, Stephan Bonner, and Chris Christopherson ski. I think they finished up one in one right. George bliss and Kurt Pellegrino. Brendan Shaab. Chris took Shishir Shishir. She Pellegrino by the way, underrated lightweight, but on some some scraps, that guy was scrapped the whole in his face atman. He's tough. Yeah, but he's the one that got triangle by flipping birds thrown thirteen Denver Colorado, Ricardo Romero versus south patches l. e. y. just I can click on any of these is a whole bunch of things come. Then Romero get. I mean, absolutely destroyed by Kyle Kingsbury here mental debate. Yeah, I'll click them and just the second Brock is doing wrestling, obviously, Stephan bonders doing pro wrestling Brendan shabas the podcast guy now. Wow. A lot of these guys are just chef. Chris Lytle doing bare knuckle boxing to grow Gama's in his underwear. Again, KENDALL grove and Gorn relic Jerrell Harris versus David branch? Well, yes. PIN. Thousands slam. Yeah. Wow. Daniel Roberts versus forced pets and John Madsen versus Carlos Imola injure Albert's..
"shishir" Discussed on The Document
"Death march they finally reached the first base camp and dug in for the night wiped out by the days track and then they collapsed in their sleeping bags for the chilly night the following day there was another eight hours of hiking the goal this time though was the abc the advanced base camp it was located on a beautiful plateau right below the glaciers of shishir parma the green moss that covered the rocky ground was dotted with tiny purple flowers this was a a little area that had a little lake and it was a place where the climbing team sixteen years ago had built a little memorial for dave and alex and carve their names and stones which were still there and this is where we were gonna set out even at sixteen thousand feet the abc was still a ways away from where the bodies their friends rested so the cancer a couple of nights and got accustomed to the altitude and some very raw emotions and they agreed on a plan they'd hiked to a ridge near the glacier then split into two groups conrad anchors group would actually venture out onto the glacier were the danger was greatest the other would not and then they carry the bodies back down to base camp but the plan started to fall apart right from the start it was a night a restless sleep at the abc the altitude had started to take its toll especially on david bridges brother dan who is basically incapacitated jobs group wanted to give him a little extra time to recover so he could go along in the final ascent that konrad decided to stick to the original plan and left with his group in the early morning darkness it was somewhere around four a m.