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"Live Golf" is Back, The Match Pt. 2 Preview, USGA Cancels Qualifiers

The Golf Podcast

35:14 min | 1 year ago

"Live Golf" is Back, The Match Pt. 2 Preview, USGA Cancels Qualifiers

"Now on the it's Mattie in the caddy here's Matt Berry and Michael Collins Live. Golf is back and so we're your boys Maddie in the caddy your weekly teebox dysfunctional alongside. The caddy Michael Collins. I M the Mattie words and C. A. B. E. that is about instagram and twitter. At which you can pick fights with those throughout the day all day every day we would expect nothing less the Patriots before we get started. We have someone we wanted to tell you about for ECOMMERCE. Businesses ship in two days or less is the new standard is a growing business. How can you keep up introducing Shipu your businesses new secret weapon? Shimpo symbols Lee Shipping Software for growing businesses. That you can start today up in minutes and then ship today because they ship. Hundreds of millions of packages ship bows civil discounts. Save up to ninety percent of carrier rates simply connect your online store to Shipu. Oh No coder technical expertise required. 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Go SHIPU ZIPPO DOT COM slash Mattie. Okay caddy the tee boxes. Yours where would you like to begin? Well we gotta start with the this past weekend and your your pity you pity sport. Just the look on your knees which have never had look on your face which I'm gonNA give you credit. I have been using the term. Pity sports and giving you credit a lot all the radio interviews and of folders that I've been doing in talking to people N I I have to admit this most people when I use the term and give you that credit are cool with it are cooling using that term and agree. Yeah it's a pity sport. And but the flip side is they don't care no one cares. No one cares. It's show me something just anything to take away from. What is reality in my life? And that's where I was like. Cou now looking back at this week. And there's a couple of things. I guess the easiest part is the interaction between the four players was it compelling no because I think someone got to him because the youngest guy in the group that will throughout a line on the third hole correct that was like. Oh yes here. We go where when he was. He tried to hit this giant drive on the par five. Got It in the sandy waste area and as he stepped in Sandy waste area and he's stepping into hit the shot and he goes hey. Dj Is this a bunker or waste? Area is it. Which is it a was it a an goes never mind and Kinda smirk laughs to himself which is a shot at Dj for what happened in two thousand ten at the PGA championship straight with right with the bunker slash waist area so and it was one of those two things one. The camera never caught. Dj's reaction which I was told gave a not happy glare also yes did and so it was like. Yo You know what and rory when Wolf and Ricky Wolf especially didn't concede put to rory rory hits the he goes. I don't know if you noticed but I won two cups. I don't know twenty five million dollars and that was cute but it wasn't a real needle like what. Wolf did to DJ. Yeah after that line was thrown out nothing like someone went to wolf and said Hey man don't that was a little bit but that's you know what if we're playing a real match and it's just friends on the golf course and we're wearing shorts and goofing off and having a good time like I. WanNa win yes. Okay so good. I'm glad you laid this out. Because here's a couple of things I will take the only two redeeming things from this air quote match that we had over the over the weekend. There were two in my opinion that to top first and foremost money for charity. That is the one hundred percent winner in this whole thing. Which over five million dollars. All awesome tailor-made congratulations. Awesome the second redeeming thing from pity. Match Twenty twenty was watching these dudes carry their own bags. I Love Watson Gary their own bags really yes and you know what just cruise. They don't need caddies. Yes he no actually. I think that's you better make that face right there. You look as I say that duck way let me hear me out not not in perpetuity. Hear me out if so worried about all this stuff going forward when they do get back to golf at colonial. Why not for like of the first few tournaments have these dudes care their bags and play? Antill figure this out and then integrate the caddies back in. I'm not saying for cover. That's that's not. That's that'd be like saying we're GONNA play eight man football. Hey for college pros for the first couple of. We're GONNA play eight man because it's safer because it's less people hitting each other. No you know what the comparable would be to that would be compared leg. Let's play flag football. Yeah it would be like. Hey we're going to remove the offense coordinator from the field for the first month in the season. Two CREO now because there's plenty of offensive coordinator's that already do their job from. It's lots of fun. Removing someone WHO's playing I'm removing at. You are removing. You are removing a written required element to the game of golf. That's what I'm saying. So it's like but unprecedented times call for unprecedented measures. So how'd you don't own a change? You can't change the you can't change the heart of the game really players in. Danes the masters to November. Yes but you know what we're not doing it the masters we're not using carts which we should know. I don't Oh yes you'll never get. That's it no more no more eggs For you ever they go but I like. I just loved seeing that I loved seeing die. Lower deck's it was great. Yeah I DOUBT. Part of it was really cool. Overall is exactly what it would there was not compelling okay but that's here's any go ahead. Nigga agree go ahead. No I'M GONNA hurt. Go No I don't I I what I said that it was. I wasn't watching it for to think like I'll come down the stretch. It's going to be drama garlic. I was just watching it to see four guys playing matchplay talking smack having a good time again so that as everyone at home is going through a bunch of crap not being back to normal seeing something that was similar to normal so good. Yeah exactly I think the one question that did it for three holes but the one question it did raise for me shorts lot. I don't know one person dead said that they that they looked unprofessional. I don't I I don't think you you're making a requirement that everyone has to wear shorts but I think that they should at least have the option so that guys who wanna wear shorts can wear shorts. The thing I liked about watching them carry their own bags. Was that will where were all those big giant staff bags at the caddy's got lug around. Yeah and in would is amazing about the carry bags is if companies were smart and the only guy. I know right now. Who'S COMPANIES REAL SMART ABOUT? It is Ricky Fowler and Cobra Cobra Puma. He carries a carry bag for tournaments. And he's been doing it for over a year because Cobra. Bouma has realized. Hey guess what you know. Who's buying staff bags? No one no one no no. I always wondered that. You say that Golf Shop in Florida pre all of this stuff still going back and forth and they had a couple in the Gulf shot for sale. And I'm like well who the HELL'S GONNA buy maintenance sitting there probably forever give what a Bogo buy get one 'cause you're right you can't use it yet even if you ride on a car all the time and if you do right on a cart they make specific cart bags. That are actually more user friendly than an article then a staff back. Well Yeah I guess you can say economical for putting in the back of a car a guest but I just I think you know in a move like that even guys who ride on carts don't use staff bags or most of the time guys who were in cards. I don't even see them using car bags. They all carry stand bags and whatnot. Because they're lightweight they're easy to transport they're easy to get in and out of of trunks and cars and that part of it. I was fascinated with and I just. I don't understand people's argument of took everything in my essence for one media member. Who's a acquaintance? Not necessarily good friend because me and him of we've had a lot of arguments and at times could have probably come to blows he was. He wants They should be you know. Look at the Hogan pictures and you know you never saw Hogan wearing shorts. But I'm like that's in an era when they were also wearing three piece suits that were made of heavy wool. And you know what else was not there when Hogan was clean. A seminal black people so you WANNA go back to the to mother the nomads trying to address like bagger Vance in football. They played with leather helmets. When I go back to that like that's come on man. Well that's how it's professional looking like no. It's not necessarily like people. Don't even go into work anymore. Wearing three piece suits. You know what I mean. People don't fly on airplanes wearing three piece suits you missed at. Here's the kicker for me on stuff like this is. It doesn't prevent you from doing it if you like it so much and usually the people that are complaining about it. I never see them dress that way while the other thing is too is is just throughout the course of time. There's an evolution in everything we do in sport in the one thing that I believe is held back goal for longtime is similar to. What's held baseball back for a long time is a refusal to adapt to the now and there are certain rules and sanctities the You must adhere by with both sports but there are certain areas like shorts and certain days where it's like all right. We could probably adapt because I'll say this ninety nine point nine percent of the people who play this game and love it played in shorts. Yes that's what I don't understand if you're trying to reach your audience than maybe you should appear similar to your audience in Golf. It's not like golf. Hasn't been a sport where they enjoy taking the time to look down their noses and yeah well and that was sometime so but I mean look getting back to what happened this past weekend. It was fun to see those guys out there and it was wild to see on the that playoff hole. Ricky step up crunch time and couldn't hit the Greenwood Wedge Dow was. Why Oh man. That was wild to see. Because that tells you that even in moments like that no fans no nothing around. Those guys can still feel it. Oh yeah still feel a little bit and they all the way about it. It added to my theory that golf without fans stupid. It just look stupid. Know why because I want fans I'm sorry. Let me ask you a question when you are watching guys. Stand over a shot on the teabags. Are they showing fans? They're showing you guy and Leyla in here it. No you can't feel it. You cannot feel when your way fans no. I'm I'm not anti fans but look at when you were watching. That looks stupid. There at Seminole Golf Club which is amazing by the way. Just walking around with no one their slimming. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you this question. So the hero world challenge. Yeah they allow fans. But there's only Andre People that you never complain about that looking stupid a never heard me say how great it is. Yeah but it then you the reason that you didn't say that it wasn't great wasn't because of there being a lack of fan so it's not but the whole package. I'm like Oh hero. World No cut event. Y'All give it a shot for a date for a little bit during the day but I'm not but the lack of fans there didn't take away from your enjoyment of watching golf. Being played like when Tiger was one tiger made his comeback there and he played a run on your. You're comparing the comeback. The Greatest Player club. You know what I'm trying to point out is the fact that when stuff like that happens you could care less about the fans. That's my point. My point is I'm not saying that fans don't add an aspect to it. I'm not saying that we as fans are used to seeing a certain element in the background of a picture. That's the thing we're used to seeing that element in the background. Listen how's how's Korean baseball doing when they tried to fake it. You know what you want because we can put some dollars and I thought take on the dolls. I they had masks on. Why IF THEY'RE SEX DOLLS TO WHY WOULD THEY SAY? Here's my take on that and we've got we've got a little bit of news coming out this morning with golf so we'll get to that. I don't think they bought them. I think they tried to just buy something that looked like people bought them because they were sex dolls. They're like Oh what can we put? Oh we put these dolls out. Yes they were sex dolls. But whereas YOU GONNA. What other kind of in dolls hanging around? And that's what my my where I give them. A little bit of leeway to is the amount of if you're going to buy a thousand dollars human mannequin looking things and you go. Look Man. I've been looking. I got one spot. They got twenty mannequins. Got Another spot that got fifteen mannequins and you're like man. I found this one company. Fifteen hundred we everything that we need like. What are they all know? Latex base the whatever they're mannequins get him art grabbing him for someone else does and it's like all no. Oh how come they all came in plain Brown paper wrapping. They were dislodged. Yeah there's no markings on packaging go but then at the same time. It's like you know what they're not moving. So it's not like they're doing anything explicit anyway but this my point my point is if the biggest if the biggest fault of golf is not having sands in the background. Then you know what? Just don't arrive the he's not going to take. It's not going to take away from me watching. It's not going to take away from me watching so I thought that I thought as usual could have been better. And that's the biggest fear for what's coming up this weekend for what's coming up. This weekend is tiger and Phil and Phil already been like. Oh this time it's going to be different like okay. Okay Mayweather okay. All right conor McGregor like come on you. Fool me once. I'm not. There's no sexy. Stop telling me that the dance is GonNa be because thirty dollars more and now this is on free. Tv Like we already know. There's no chance you're going to drop it s bomber. You've got four corporations claim and one of them. One of them is still playing. Nfl But manning you could argue is still de Corporation in the NFL. With all the sponsorships he gets. You got four. Ceo's of personal companies. They're not going to jeopardize anything for a golf match. That's true but at least manning manning because he's done playing I think John Probably could get away with just a little bit more. I agree but I'd still like nationwide some of his big time sponsors of which is when he would. Have you know what he would have to say to get them to dip out? Not Nowadays we know man. There's no more no man you live in the more sensitive era sensitivity. His No see no. That's the nowadays that people have have have had to back off of that because those I call them social justice. Trolls are still not you know man. No it's not as bad now because when people come out there and be like how dare you GonNa there. It's amazing now that everybody's sitting at home going. If that's the biggest thing you got to bitch about whatever that may be like with everything that's going on with the world and the virus that we're trying to somehow get through this pandemic the fact that you're GonNa Complain About Somebody. Making a joke about something like sit down over there and shut up. Yeah I agree with you and I hope for the sake of moving forward that that's the mindset but I still believe that there are a large contingent of people that are just looking for something for people to say to be offended about. I do want to get some news that happened this morning. Bob Haring just wrote it on. Espn DOT COM rut writing the Adam Scott returns to his home in Australia to the PGA tour canceled Players Championship and despite the tours plan to restart next month he is going to stay away a bit longer saying that he's not quite comfortable with the guidelines put forth last week by the tour and Lee Westwood Has said the same thing Lee. Westwood said he will not be playing in the for at least the first two events because he's not comfortable and there's plenty there are players that I spoke to That are not comfortable with. I shouldn't say not comfortable. They understand the risk and the high risk that they are going to put themselves in by traveling right and they're gonNa do it anyway Two of the guys. I talked to said it's excuse my friend off pot. Yup in two of the guys said even though the tour saying you're independent contractors and you don't have to play if you don't want to financially if you're not in a position to do that yeah you do have to play you know then you know. Some guys could have families. Some guys could just be in a position where they haven't been on a tour for a long time or they haven't made a ton of money and aren't in a position to be like listen. I'm not sitting at home for three more months. I I gotta get out there and play and try well. Here's the thing with all of this and this has been my stance on it for a while. At least I don't fault them for feeling that way either side. You were being given the choice. You've got the choice to complain. The tournament based on the guidelines set forth. If those aren't good enough and you still don't feel comfortable. You don't WanNa play. That's our choice. I don't begrudge you for that. I think everybody should have the choice. It's like anyone as many states that are open. If I feel comfortable getting on a plane and traveling to Las Vegas. That's my prerogative. I don't fault the people that don't so and I think that's where Gulf I hope puts this out. There is a leader in getting this done. We are giving our players. The IF bryce Harper doesn't feel comfortable played for the Philly's initially then you know what Brice so be it. You're not going to get paid. But if that's how you feel you can stay home. I'm not mad at you. Were the one thing we're against golf had been different but I like what they have decided and that is where golf was differ was initially it was gonna be the season was gonna end with the fedexcup and so you were going to have people that were like listen. You're you're forcing me to go play to try and earn Fedex Cup points so I have a job for next year. Where now that they've combined not combined the seasons but they have put everyone in a position where regardless of if you play this year or not. You're status will remain the same in a sense for next year career. You don't you don't necessarily lose your job or your spot. If you don't go play so another great move another great move one moves. That's not great that also we gotta talk about the USDA which has cancelled all qualifying. Which in doing that in canceling. All the qualifying is now. I how do you call this the US Open because nine is yes? But there. I don't do but you don't get learn. Stories of local guy got to the local section on the qualifier in Scottsdale Arizona. The I agree I and again. Here's the thing with History Hogan had what would be considered a US Open taken away. It doesn't count so Hogan used to tell everyone he won five. Us Open's but one of the ones that he won was not an open. It was called the invitational because of the two of the war to right so they didn't have qualifying for this what became an invitational and wasn't called the US Open at the time but was it was the quote unquote air quotes. Us Open but in a in reality. It wasn't so they didn't count it so my issue is going to be. Does the guy who wins this one? Can he call himself a? Us Open champion. Now do we give Hogan back the one that was taken away from him or is it okay to just say look this year is the US India run by the USDA? It's a little different in you know either. It's not going to be. I just do it all sports. I don't there's so many people that I encountered worked in and that are that are and I'm not saying this in a negative way that are overthinking the room similar to what you do with the US Open. Everyone just needs to be in the reality and understand we are where we are so whatever gets played be MLB NBA NHL Right now. Because their seasons were going anything that happens like accept it for what it is yet money you want an NBA championship after the season was stopped for three months. And we like it. All is what it is in. There will be a footnote in history that in two thousand twenty because of a global pandemic. There were certain measures that weren't typical of the normal season. I understand that part of it. But the problem with this is that there are residual effects and there are certain quote unquote perks that come with winning this tournament unlike when you win a super bowl. Nba Championship is not like the next year. You get to go. Hey guess what. Next year we can set our schedule and kind of play. What we WANNA play against two. We WanNA play against them so there are residual effects in golf that can be affected and there are things that have to be addressed. Here's where you're wrong with that though in certain sports like NBA and in baseball specifically. Because I know more about their qualifiers in contracts with at-bats batting average slugging percentage shooting percentage in the NBA minutes played their escalators and contracts. That are predicated on certain numbers now again individual contracts with with teens. So what are golfers indable contractors yet? But it's only one team is what I'm saying. So what what happens is you're you're saying that if you win a US Open then you have a five year windowed. Which I'm saying should be allowed like I don't understand what the argument would be like. Just allow you'd be cool with all the perks that come with winning a US one hundred percent. Okay I'm just asking I'll be the first one to say I don't know I don't know what the right answer is but I do know that people are who are. I do know this for me. It's an easy thing to when they go. How are they gonNA determine who gets to play and who doesn't well? We got plenty of computers in plenty of history to go right if in the last forty. Us Open's there have been an average of sixteen amateurs that make it all right. Who are the top sixteen amateurs in the world right now? You guys got an invitation and you go well in the past forty years. Here's the average number of players that have made it from the Korn Ferry tour and you go okay. What we'll do is take a combination of the top money leaders for the past two years on the Korn Ferry tour and then the World Golf rankings in compiling. Combine those and those guys who weren't qualified. Anyway they get on now to the worst thing that anybody can do. We gotta make this short. Today I've got workers all over the House that are not being monitored are you. Are You Bristol House or Florida House? I'll I'm Ben in Connecticut since first week in April And there's there's there are projects going so and I've got you know my wife is here in the whole office. Doing her conference calls on work calls. And I've literally got. I can just hear him downstairs. Mike what the what they the supervise. You GotTa be supervised. I'd like the general contractor and I've got a yellow lab. Who knows what he's doing. Well that's what I'm saying. Just put a hard hat on him and let him watch a hard hat. Go plus years. What's going on in order to go? I will say this though is. Is We wrap up because next week. Going to be fun. We'll do a quick prediction of tiger. Fill Payton Brady. But I do want to say this real quick button up your point. I think it is incumbent upon every sport. Golf anyone to not reinvent the wheel to make. This is easy to come out of when things get back to normal. Yup that's it prediction time because I can't wait to recap the match part to this week and I'm fascinated by brady manage and there's all kinds of like side action is yes. They draft draftkings doing his whole thing. I'm not touching that I'm not going anywhere near but like I was on with Doug Kazarian and doing his podcast So so who do you like so tiger and Peyton are the favorites by lot? But I'm taking Phil and Tom Brady. Why because fill it means more to fill? I agree with you. It means more to fill and I think Brady. Because he's made that move the Tampa and because he's still actively playing in the NFL. His competitive juices are still on point. It's like when Steph played in the Korn ferry tour event and was like. Oh this dude. He got no chance of playing well and they were like low houses. Dude I'm like the guy just came off a win an NBA championship and he still plays so those competitive juices when they're still on that razor's edge men nets is game on and that back nine the modified alternate-shot. Yup Say Brady can hit it further to manning because you got two guys one got a bad neck and the other guy too bad back. So here's what I'm going the other side with this. I'm going tiger and the anti because two things one home game for Tiger I love the home game component of it too. I'm using the opposite of your argument with Brady in that. Tom Is so focused on football in learning areas as playbook getting getting ready with his new team. Manny's been retired so he's been able to play a lot more and the mental edge. That tiger has over overfill. I think would carry that enough to where Mental Edge Did Tiger match. Oh no I'm talking actual like real goals and and we play real. Wait a minute wait. Did you just say that? I'm talking about Mental Ed's on real golf wait. Is this a real golf tournament in an events? Now there's total pity of that but what I'm saying is on the Golf Course. Who owns who on the golf course over their career. Tiger owns fill there. You go but this is not regular golf. What's funny would I what I love about? This is tiger own Phil. Tom owns pay in their respective sports. You've got the ownership of each throughout their careers on opposite ends but you know are still owns tiger. In this these little matches they play Tuesday games. Yes and that's all it is is that's all that's where I look. I completely agree with you. Tiger own still on the on when it comes to head to head in a tournament. Big Time on this. I'll take tiger all day everyday. No questions that's not even close. Not even close Tuesday's for money getting in pockets talk. I all zoo levels day every day. I GOT TIRED. I got Phil Okay. Let's run with that. I just got a text. That said you're needed downstairs. And that's all I needed a message. That's all I needed to get big candy next week to do. Maybe all right. Maybe this some catty information that I'll get out there Rogers that's our tease. Because we don't have time to get to this week but it won't change between now and next week. So yeah so. That'll be the focus of next week. Show Memorial Day weekend. Everybody be saved or yeah understand rates on whites morial day. But so we'll record actor the Memorial Day Holiday. We talk caddy news and recap the match. It's GonNa be good way. You know what you're watching the match though. I know you're in a hundred percent. It is because Free Candy I Mattie who doesn't love a Freebie this again thanks for listening to Maddie and academy check out more. Espn podcast on the ESPN APP. Apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcast. Mattie in a caddy.

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1608: How to Become a Self-help Rock Star by TK Coleman on Inspirational Philosophy versus Inspired Practice

Optimal Living Daily

10:40 min | 1 year ago

1608: How to Become a Self-help Rock Star by TK Coleman on Inspirational Philosophy versus Inspired Practice

"Real quick I recommend listening to this show on spotify. Regan listen to all of your favorite artists and podcast in one place for free without prima count. Spotify has a huge catalog of podcasts. On every imaginable topic posy can follow your favorite podcast so you never miss an episode. Premium users can download episodes to listen to offline wherever and whenever and easily share what. You're listening to with your friends on instagram. So if you haven't done so already be sure to download the spotify APP search for optimal living daily on spotify or browse podcasts. In the Your Library Tab also make sure to follow me so you never miss an episode of optimal living daily. This is optimal living daily episodes. Sixteen O eight how to become a self help Rockstar by. Tk COLEMAN OF COLEMAN DOT COM. And I'm just a molecule your personal narrator reading to you every day including holidays today's poses from Tk Coleman Co host of the office hours. Podcast for let's get right to it as we optimize your life how to become a self help rockstar by tk Coleman of TK COLEMAN DOT COM. Today I like to say something about the value of enthusiasm and optimism. But the chances are high that you've already heard a million quotes about the virtues of whistling while you work or the value of doing everyday chores with a sense of pride instead of giving you another quote about this topic. I'll share important. Distinction Inspirational Philosophy Verses Inspired Practice. Inspirational philosophy refers to any set of ideas relating to self-improvement optimal performance and professional development inspired practice refers to a pattern of behavior grounded and such ideas. Inspirational philosophy is a way of seeing inspire. Practice is a way of being. You've probably heard this distinction before too but the chances of forgetting or greater than ever before now that we have an unprecedented ability to shower the world with positive stories and sayings. I'll give you an example. While writing this post I googled inspirational quotes. And here's one of the first things that came up. This is a quote from my Angelou. That says quote. If you're always trying to be normal you'll never know how amazing you can be and quote when you hear that quo. Did you think when I take a walk this weekend? I'm going to really ponder that one unidentified my assumptions about what makes a person normal and I'm going to honestly consider how much possibility I might be overlooking because of these assumptions or was your reaction more like sure. I agree with that. It's common sense. I'm guessing that most people have the second kind of reaction when a profound concept I xe human consciousness. It seems revolutionary when that same concept gets repeated over over again is starts to sound redundant as our ability to say. I've heard that before increases our ability to say I need to spend some serious time about that. There's a quote for that to familiarity breeds. Contempt you've for that one before is hard to believe that you need to Russell deeply with an idea if you're constantly hearing about in pop culture over and over again. Because of this constant exposure we lose sight of the most important aspect of inspirational quotes. They're easier said than and better done than said. Everyone has seen a well-designed graphic telling them to live love and laugh but fewer have seen the well-designed life of someone who finds a way to Lovin laugh through real problems faced in the real world. I frequently hear people ask for advice on things like how to be a life coach or how to be motivational speaker. Or how to make a living by being a force for inspiration. If you're one of those people have good news and bad news. Here's the bad news. We live in a world where it's extremely difficult to be special. If you WANNA share inspiring things. I can't even count. The number of blogs podcasts. Ted Talks seminars. Books in online courses. Promising you a thousand and one ways to hack your life improve your health increase your income grow your audience raise your level of consciousness of your shock. Ras Accelerate your manifestations and so on whatever you want to share has probably already been seen or heard a few dozen times this week alone so if you plan on getting into the self-help business. I offer the same advice. I heard an old theater professor. Give to someone who said they wanted to be an actor quote. If you have something else he can be happier doing. Go do that instead. Don't do this unless you know you can do it for fun if he can show up and do this kind of work enthusiastically even if you never win an Oscar or get on the big screen. Then you'll always find a way to work and you'll have a better chance of making living if you're lucky but if you can devote yourself to this without a steady paycheck find another career and do this for leisure when you have the time and quote. Now here's the good news while it's very difficult to be special at the level of sharing inspirational ideas. The bars pretty low for those who actually practise inspirational ideas. The world probably won't crazy if you share a tweet on doozy Azam. The individuals who have to work with you every single day will appreciate it if you shop to your job like you actually want to be there. You probably won't get a bunch of re tweets for sharing that Steve jobs quote about being a nonconformist but you'll break the status quo in half by Collagen. The people you see every day with dignity and empathy. You probably won't have crowd of fans demanding. Hear Your Voice on the world's most popular podcast but there's a crowded world out there people who feel alone afraid and apathetic asking them how they're doing and listening for two minutes would make you a Rockstar and there is George Washington carver road quote when you do the common things in life in an uncommon way. You will command the attention of the world's end quote if sharing inspirational materials more common than ever before the way to do it in an uncommon way is by embodying inspiration as way of life. You'll command far more attention. If you smile and say hi to only one out of every five people you see that if you share one positive quo for five days a week you build a much more powerful network by being a team player your day job than by sharing a dozen tweets about how network and once a promotion at a restaurant because every single day A. 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Ask HTM - Ditching a Crappy High-Paying Job, Student Loan Refinancing, and Investing with Fundrise #196

"Fractional shares trading is now available for all fidelity customers on the FIDELITY MOBILE APP by US stocks an ETF commission free based on. How much you want to spend. Instead of by the share fractional share quantities can be entered out to three decimal places as long as the value of the order is at least a penny dollar-based trades can be out to two decimal places sell. Orders are subject to an activity assessment fee from one to three cents per one thousand dollars of principal fidelity brokerage services member in my se. Sipc support for this podcast and the following message come from Stanford small. If you're a small business owner head to stand for small dot Com for resources offers tools from a growing group of companies that want to help your business get back to business visit Stanford small dot Com to get started. Welcome to had a money. I'm Joel into I am Matt Today. We are answering your listener questions That's right Joel. We are answering listener questions. We've got five of them like we always do but he got a follow up question from our work life balance episode. We're going to share our thoughts on student loan refinancing as well as we've got a question about funder is specifically so excited to get to those as well as two more on this episode. It's going to begin. Always loved taking listener questions buddy but before we get to those. I wanted to let you know that. I recently took advantage of an online savings account. Bonus sign up bonus sign up bonuses if I opened an account at a bank and then leave that money there for ninety days. I get this sweet sign up bonus at the end of that ninety days. What if you had pulled it out like eighty nine? I bet they would have been like nope. Sorry you don't get your bonus. Well that's what it comes down to actually in in the recent stock market turmoil of kind of had this desire to do more investing and have less cash on the sidelines. And I was in this kind of dilemma of. I've already put money. There opened the account. I've done the work to keep it there and get this bonus or do I start kind of putting the money in the market and take advantage of the fact that the market has been down right and And Yeah I'M NOT GONNA lie. It's a hard decision. I ended up leaving my money in place. I'm going to get that bonus but man. These are the questions that money from time to time. And there's not always a right answer and for me. I'm just my bias. My tendency is towards dollar cost averaging and so while I did take advantage of like funding a roth while the market was down for my wife and I I'm okay with kind of passing up. Potential bigger stock market gains while. I'm just kinda earning that paltry sign up bonus we had. Those aren't easy questions for US. Right. That's the that's the phrase burn. Hand is better than two in the bush. There's a chance for an outside returns but the fact is a lot of this comes down to just not knowing what's going to happen and so as individuals that are trying to be smart with our money. That's what we can do. Just be smart with our money like the things that we need to do that. Make the most sense and in so many situations as a matter of making that decision and not really looking back and not beating ourselves up over what could have been because there's no way of knowing what the market would have done and if you think you know what the market's going to do you're probably going to be wrong because your timing the market and it's impossible to time the market. I being methodical and sticking to a plan of investing but thanks for sharing that you know and I think a lot of our listeners might be similar situation where they're like like where. Where do I actually invest in the? Now that I've got my stimulus check money I don't want to spend it all. Make sure I'm doing some smart stuff with it. Make informed decisions and yeah just. Don't look back so much of it. Also comes down to what your investment philosophy is and it can be nice to reap the rewards of a down market. We're GONNA talk soon about investing win. The market is experiencing volatility. And what that should look like and so much of that does involve having a written plan so that you can make a decision based on fact rather than emotion be figured. I'd bring that up because I'm not the kind of nerdy dilemma dilemmas. People like us face all right man. Let's go ahead and introduce the beer that we're going to enjoy this episode. We have a beer called fog of war which is a New England style and this isn't by some giant corporate. Marie this is A. This is a home. Brewer called easy chair brewing garage. This brewed by friend of the show jess he He lives here locally and he's able to drop off over at your place. Yeah so yeah big. Thank suggest looking for to try this one. Always love a good homebrew. And it's not often enough that I get to to try because I don't hct myself so I've got a friend who does it but yeah so we'll talk about our thoughts on this one at the end of the episode but matt onto the listener questions. Let's get to it for folks that want to submit a listener question to be considered for a future episode. We would love to hear from you. Just go to money dot com slash ask. It's super easy to submit your own voice question for the show and the first one that we're going to tackle today is about investing more of the market or in real estate Sounds yet again like a similar NERDY DILEMMA? Yeah that's what we're tackling. Hi guys this is Josh from Los Angeles California at a question that I was hoping you guys can help me out with. I currently have a Roth IRA account that. I put one hundred fifty dollars a month into. I'm not maxine my contribution each year and my question is should. I put more money into my Roth IRA before investing in other avenues. I currently just started a fundraiser account with a thousand dollars and it's really kind of exciting to invest in this area and I'm just kind of wondering what I should do with my finances as far as investing goes if you guys can help me out with that I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you all right Josh. Thanks so much for that question. A let's cut straight to it. Yes definitely put more in your Roth IRA before exploring other avenues. Maxing out your off is the easiest. And the most proven way to invest your money. That being said that we we do agree with you. Though investing in real estate it is exciting but online real estate. Investing it's not our first choice for would be real estate investors even though fundraise. You know it is one of the best online real estate platforms in our opinion Yemen. I totally agree with you roth. Ira is the first priority. I would feel more of your money there until you start exploring other avenues but if you really want to get into real estate investing we prefer fee to consider a couple of other ways of approaching it too. That's because the fundraise fees although they're low compared to their competitors they're still high in our opinion and also there are potential liquidity issues with non publicly traded reits arena is a real estate investment trust. That's essentially what you're doing when you haven't can't fundraise is you're putting money into an eerie. A real estate investment trust that you're investing in online and an eerie fundraisers term. Right exactly yeah. Kleenex versus tissue. Right right right and there was a recent story Matt that I read in The Wall Street Journal and mentioned how some of these IRRI companies aren't allowing investors to withdraw their money. Right now in downmarket. If you read the fine print when you sign up for a company like fundraising you'd put your money in there to be invested in various real estate endeavors. Well you'll see that you don't have a full right to your money when you want it with fundraising particularly you can redeem shares quarterly. But depending on how long you've been invested you could oh a substantial penalty so five years is the minimum window to avoid those additional withdrawal fees. That's why we prefer publicly traded reits. They just don't have the fine print associated with them. There's a lot more liquidity when you invest in real estate inside of a publicly traded re as opposed to an IRRI company. Yeah Joel with those publicly traded reits that you can get through a brokerage in open market through someone like fidelity or vanguard you buy and hold those just like you would with say a total stock market fund. The difference between a site like fundraise and with publicly traded reits is that you're buying a much broader publicly traded real estate portfolio and the associated costs are going to be much much lower And not to mention. The publicly traded reits are often more diversified than an alternative so vanguard for for example. They've got a real estate fund. Vn Q. Within that one fund there are a couple hundred different companies which they've themselves have vast real estate holdings just all across the country and so there is a massive amount of diversification there and again because it's publicly traded you can buy and sell that fund at will be in Q. That Specific Fund. It's actually an ETF and so you can purchase just like you would irregular stock yet at the ETF cue that you just mentioned. Widely diversified the opposite of being diversified is owning one home in a specific location. But we still really liked that route two so another thing for Josh. Consider right as he wants to get into real. Estate is to become a mom and pop landlord buying actual property in renting it. Out To real people is one of the best ways to invest in. Real estate is going to be the most profitable right typically right. Yeah Yeah it's the most hands on which means it isn't for everyone but yes it can be the most profitable to of course the need for cash upfront is higher. You're going to need a more substantial down payment but the returns on owning and managing rentals. If done well are great. And it's a great goal to have. If you've got the real estate bug we would say though. If you're making that decision between a Roth or fundraise that the Roth should definitely take priority and then if you want to invest in real estate if you WANNA do it the easy way go with a publicly traded re if you WanNa do it the hard but potentially more rewarding way than go with an individual property Whether it's a single family home or duplex triplex near where you live. But YET JOSH. Best of luck to you as continue investing and. I do hope that you get into real estate investing soon because it's been great for Matinee Josh. One final thing because you can trade these publicly traded reits on exchanges and platforms like vanguard and fidelity you can actually purchase these funds within your Roth. Ira So you can actually own real estate within. You're out you're off. Ira with the tax advantages that it has and so if you're interested in real estate but you're also kind of torn because you're thinking about you know that you should probably Max out your Roth. Ira Well in addition to your S. and P. Five Hundred Index Fund or your Stock Market Fund. Maybe start looking at putting VN Q. Or some of these other rates within your Roth. Ira and you've got the best of both worlds gap ram at more questions to cover including what to do with income from a house that you just sold speaking of Real Estate. And we'll get to that and more right after the break As an insurance marketplace policy genius talks a lot about how unpredictable the future is. That's why insurance exists in the first place and right now life is pretty unpredictable. But there have been some unpredictably positive. Things happening right now to we've been highlighting the good news on our Friday shows and personally one of the most positive things happening right now in our household is the smell of fresh. Baked bread pervading Almost every afternoon. It feels like it's so good in our house. 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Trial for free at go ship dot com slash money armoured back. We got more questions to cover in. The first one is what to do with income from a house that you just sold. Hey guys this is Mac from Louisiana and I've been going through some pretty big but good life changes lately last fall. I went back to school for a second career. Option still working fulltime and selling my house by owner last month mid month I got married and then we came home from our weekend to a single income household. I will be unable to work at least for the next couple of months and good news is I sold the house and I have a decent sized check coming my way and not sure what to do. With that money I will need access to it in the next five to ten years because we may move and reinvest in a different area also next two years. I need some of that money for school and just not sure where to put it out with interest rates being as they are not sure how to get a return on something short term. So help everybody staying healthy and I really appreciate you doing this. Podcast so much thanks. Hey Mac thanks so much for that question and we appreciate it. We are staying healthy so far so good and we hope you are as well. You know by the way it sounds like you've been super busy congrats on getting married and selling your house but of course we are sorry to hear that you lost your job that the check from the sale of your house will be huge in helping you get through this time of being a one income household. You know. We're not sure if you can fully afford lifestyle on one income or not but hopefully you can and also to sounds like this might be maybe a temporary job lost due to the corona virus. And so again. Hopefully you'll be back to work before you know. Hopefully you've been able to apply for those increased unemployment benefits and I hope that that's helping smooth the path as well for you right now and macaroni. Your question really centers around getting a return on short term money and getting a decent return on short term money is not easy and the recent economic instability has lowered interest rates for borrowers but it's hurt savers at the same time savings rates at the big banks are still basically almost existent math point. Zero one percent is like that. It's it's really bad. There's not a chance that I want to put my money with the big bank. Who's paying that low of Berat? Online banks have had to slash their rates. A good bit to and that's our favorite place to bank is some of the great online banks. The top online banks right now are offering a return of roughly one and a half percent but that could even shrink more soon. Who knows the great news? Is that if you decide to borrow for school. There's a good chance that you'll get a low rate on student loans borrow money to so taking on debt for your education might not be a bad idea when it comes down to. Samak for you. The question comes down to you. Know what should you do with that money and for you? It might make sense to kind of split the difference take some of that money and invest it You can find Roth. Ira's for for you and your spouse and then you can keep the rest in an online savings account that pays a decent rate of interest. The great thing is that if you need that Roth money you do have access to this contributions if it turns out that you need it in five or ten years but you know if you don't you can keep it invested and that's certainly what we would prefer that you do especially keep some flexibility here since it sounds like you are in a life stage where who knows what may happen next. We're not totally sure what you're going back to school for but it's also worth considering you might use that money for some seed money to maybe even start your own business if you are entrepreneurial minded yet and the. Roth Matt is at perfect flexible vehicle where you can withdraw those contributions and of course you know. There's a chance you could lose lose money in that in the short term but ultimately if you won't need that money for the next five to ten years than having at least some of that money in a roth for your future with the flexibility of being able to pull those contributions out. I love that and and keep the rest that you absolutely need on hand for cash reserves. Keep that in an online savings account. But you're just not going to get a great return there all right. Thanks for listening to Mac Joel. Our next question has to do with student loans age. Oh Hey Matt this editorial office from San Fernando Valley south of Los Angeles. Hope you and your family are doing well and staying safe. I want to thank you both because you guys have always given great advice to your listeners. I'm reaching out because I want to know what you guys think about. Refinancing your student loans to get a lower interest rate I know interest rate has dropped for business loans. But I'm not sure they'll apply to me if by wants refinance or consolidate my student loans. I currently have twelve small federal student. Loans averaging four percent industry and my bill just kicked in January of this year. Look forward to hearing what you guys think. Have go when you guys Egger. Thanks for the question and we hope you're staying safe out there on the west coast as well man. Let's get near question. Refinancing student loan right now. Could be a good idea for some people. But it's not gonNa make sense for everyone at your since you have federal loans with such a low interest rate. It's probably best just to keep things the way they are. So this makes me think do you. Do you have some student loans? I remember at some point in the past. It sounded like you'll had like a tiny little bit of student loans left. We still have really mount. Yeah you'RE GONNA say they're gone. No but the interest rate is so low. We have our you know because there's not much to refinance. Yeah we'll pay it off probably in the next year just with the minimum monthly payments. But it just doesn't make sense for us to prioritize paying faster because interest rate is just so ridiculously low. I WANNA say it's in the ones I'd have to go back and look if not it's in the low twos but yeah it's so low krazy lounge that we're just not not prioritizing in addition to that two federal student loans if you have them they they offer benefits that private student loans. That they don't have that the can't offer and in fact right now federal student loan holders. They don't have to pay on their loans until October. Thanks to some of those provisions in the Cares Act. This isn't the case for folks that have private student. Loans and Farallones have increased hardship forbearance and income based repayment options as well private loans. Man They have very little to no flexibility when it comes to their repayment plans. That's why we have a guide for people That gets into the specifics of refinancing when you should when you shouldn't on our website and we clued that link in the show notes despite the drawbacks refinancing into a private student loan will make sense for some people. If you can get a much lower interest rate right with more of your payment going towards principle. Then you'll be paying off that loan more quickly and paying less in overall interest more than money does go towards the principle also important to note that refinancing into a private student. Loan is something. That's not reversible. What's done it's done. You can never go back into the Federal Student Loan Program and therefore you can never gain back some of those benefits and provisions that are included in the Federal Student Loan Program. Private student loans are just less forgiving. So you have to make sure that it's a solid win before you actually do it. And I think specifically for Edgar with the low rates he currently has in the federal program. I don't think it's really a move to be made for him all right. We've got a couple more questions about work life balance as well as one about investing not investing aggressively but also not being too conservative. We'll get the both of those right. After the break vantage has everything you could ever want in life as long as what you want in life is unified communications contact centers integrated with salesforce. So you can give more personal service and communications. Api's four-year developers job. But that is it is great at those things. They're not great at explaining. Maybe what to do when markets decline or how to sell your house for the most possible money or how to automate your finances when it comes to that kind of stuff you and I. We are much better like loads better. That is definitely true. 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Something that would let me use my skills to help people to help the community and something. I'm really passionate about The downside is that it's a really big pay cut from where I am right now. Which does scare me a little bit. I'll be honest. Part of me thinks that you know if I take this lower paying jobs that makes me happy than have more energy to put into my side. Hustles into put into myself to make every aspect of my life? More successful in any other part of me of course is just so scared to take that leap into try something completely different. When I'm so used to being where I am right now. I am good little saver and I do have a cushion of savings that I can fall back on in case anything does go wrong but I've always been the person who makes the logical decision and not decisions with my heart or my emotions. I'm really interested to hear what you guys think. Thanks so much. Thanks for that question. And it's a really great practice to be pragmatic and to make these decisions logically right but if we never followed her heart would we even be alive. We just be computers. That doesn't sound like much fun to me. And of course only not to mention the soul crushing effects that your current job is having on you. It's great that it pays well but a job that is going to lead to burn like that. Like that. Just is not going to be sustainable. Right Yeah Man. I feel like that brings up. The question should work be a passion and thank you and I both. Kinda come down somewhere in the middle. It's certainly nice when you like what you do. Right and prioritizing that is great Getting through this podcast together. We've prioritized having fun with our work and we drink beer and we have a good time and we have a nice amount of balance going on right now when we create something we can truly be proud of. And that's a lot of fun to make but I'm not sure that work being a passion is always the most helpful way to think about it because even when you love your job there days that stink and sometimes the specifics might not be all that exciting. But let's say the flexibility or the perks of that job might make that job. Perfect for having a family and getting home every night in time for dinner right. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. So I think for Emily. It's important to make sure that she's accurately assessing things in one. Majorly important question to ask is is it the job. That's truly the problem. Oftentimes a job can be the problem in our lives right. It can be holding back in a major way. It can be preventing creativity and it can be leading to burn out but it is important that question and then if the answer is yes if so then it is time to start considering an escape route. I think practically speaking emily. You're going to need a budget. That reflects the newer job that pays less as well as savings. That can help you to make that transition right. So it's great that you have that cash cushion set aside. It's really hard for us to recommend bailing on a higher paying job for one. That pays a heck of a lot less if you can't live on that income and if you don't have some savings to give you some breathing room. This is even more important considering the economy and the position that a lot of folks are in yes sounds like. Emily is in a good position with her finances with the savings and if she can trim her budget to fit to the new income then. I think jumping ship from a job that is toxic and pursuing something. She's going to enjoy more. Makes a lot of sense because work is a huge portion of our lives and if we can enjoy what we do every day I mean. Obviously that's huge. It certainly good to have that as a priority and mat-su. I completely agree with emily. On what she said about the intellectual and work freedom that could potentially be able to get when she removes herself from a toxic work situation. Emily I think you might find quickly yourself moving onto really interesting things. When you get out of that suffocating work environment it can be scary initially to make that leap but once you get over the hurdle you might find boundless energy for pursuing a side hustle or you might move up the ranks quickly in this new GIG because you're applying more than just work ethic. You're applying passion to something that you truly care about Matt. I'll say to that. It was scary for my wife. Emily and I to go from two incomes to one but we ran the math and we had savings so it wasn't a blind leap. It was something that we knew we can handle but it didn't make it easy but that decision has had huge positive ramifications for our family. And so emily if you can make this leap with those solid underlying financials underneath you to push you forward than I would say. Do it make the jump. Yeah finding a job that gives you life instead of draining it from you. It's hard to put a price on that. And Plus Emily's listen to the show so it sounds like she said in the right direction when it comes to personal finances right buddy. Yeah I I think hopefully I don't think we've let our astray buddy. There was at one time there was one episode where we gave terrible advice to everybody but it was April first so everybody should have known. That was April fool's episode. We should do that. One of these days give the exact opposite advice that we would normally we really. Should we got one more question about investing specifically about the nuances of risk? Hey Matt and Joel this is Daniel coming to you from Bedford New Hampshire. I thank you both for the show and for your recent Friday updates. I'll be honest. I'm sometimes scared to listen to those updates. Because I'm afraid of what new information they might tell me. And it's very tempting to want to live in blissful ignorance but I'm always grateful when I do. Listen because your advice and grounded approach keeps me feeling more sane and secure about the decisions I make. Here's my question. I'm twenty five and have been investing primarily in a zero expense fee total stock mutual fund. Both in my individual brokerage account and my Roth IRA right now for obvious reasons. Neither of those accounts are looking too hot. But my question actually extends beyond the current economic situation and look more into the future as I become an investor with fingers crossed more money invested in the market. I'm curious what the transition to a more conservative. Stock Portfolio will look like if I were to keep most of my investments in that same total stock index fund. I could see periods of extreme growth. Like we've had in the past decade but if something occurs whether that's our disease related issue like we're having now or some other financial instability. Whatever gains I've made from that portfolio will naturally decrease on a scale proportional to whatever percentage. Loss it incurs. My question is as I continue to hopefully see benefits from the historical trend of the stock market. What investment vehicles would you both recommend as a good place for a portion of the monetary gains right? Now I'm taking advantage of an online high interest savings account. Thanks to your advice. Which has a percentage yield of about one point seven five percent but I'm wondering like your General Recommendation Regarding total stock index funds as a good investment option. Do you have a similar recommendation? For MIDDLE GROUND INVESTMENTS. That are less risky than the stock market but less conservative than something like an online savings account. Thank you again for all your advice your humor and the good spirits during this time. I hope you're doing well and staying safe. Thanks to your questions so glad. The Friday episodes have been helpful for you. I gotta be honest Matt. Doing those Friday episodes has been helpful for me. Oh Yeah it's been really nice to be able to kind of talk about the week's events what's happening the pros and the cons and address them on on the show. Yeah I thought you're going to say that Friday episodes or your favorite. You know you always talk about how questions of your favorite and I was GonNa make you pick. Everything is my favorite okay. It's a favorite. I love it. Don't make me pick. I agreement being able to address some of this timely information. And how it pertains to us as as podcasts as DADS and as investors but obviously to our listeners as well I have found tremendous help in the value that we've been able to bring listener so if you have not already been listening to the Freddie episodes. Make sure that you check us out. Yeah for sure. But let's get onto daniels question. He's asking about middle ground. Investing options. Dale you're right. Most people's investment accounts have taken a hit. What's important to keep in mind? Is that the gains that you mentioned. Being erased have only been erased on paper unless you've actually sold stocks unless you've actually sold positions in that total stock market fund that you're in while the market's down so for you. If this bout of market turmoil has been hard to stomach will then. Let's talk about your best options because so much of this question comes down to personal risk tolerance right. The best investment portfolio is not the one necessarily earn you the highest returns over your life. It's the one that can allow you to sleep well at night and to stay invested. Even when things aren't going quite your way in Daniel for you specifically at your age we would definitely prefer you to keep your money. Invested in zero cost total stock market fund or maybe an S. and P. Five Hundred Fund. It will over the decades. Be The best place for you to keep money meant to use in your later years. By focusing on stocks primarily you will be exposed to that risk and volatility but the thing is therein lies the potential Ford the most growth but like Joe mentioned mentioned if you don't feel comfortable with that asset allocation than you should factor more bonds into the mix. I think it comes down to you. Daniel mentioned a savings account which just isn't paying all that much right now. He said one point seven five. That's pretty high in the market at this point most savings accounts. Just don't pay out that much in investing mostly in stocks right that comes with its risks as well that comes with the volatility associated with it. There's just not a magic bullet middle ground for investors anything that takes you beyond that savings account or buying treasury bonds is going to add risk into your investing life so target date funds. I think are important dimension here. These funds automatically give you a mix of stocks and bonds and specifically. What they're meant for is for you to pick a date. That is nearest win. You will likely reach retirement. Age and that fund will automatically allocate your assets so that you're invested more conservatively over time and Daniel for you. If you want less risk involved you can choose an earlier. Target retirement fund date which would ensure that you're invested even more conservatively. But but if you want to grow a retirement nest egg man. I would suggest like you said earlier. Matt Moore market exposure the current market exposure. The deal has if he can sleep within. Tonight is a good place for him to be. Yep that's right man so we would encourage you to come up with an investment plan. Daniel that you can live with and one that you can ride through these markets with while you continue to execute an invest so whether that's a more conservative twenty forty fund or maybe something a little more aggressive at twenty fifty twenty sixty target date fund or finding a way to tune out the news when markets are down either way market exposure is going to be crucial. And that will help you to build up that retirement nest egg. Just make sure that it's at a level that allows you to continue to dollar cost average during these booms and during his busts. Yeah Matt more than anything. What matters is the savings rate and continuing to invest? No matter what through the years and if one hundred percent stock exposure doesn't allow you to sleep well at night then we would suggest you adding more bond exposure into your portfolio to smooth the ride. That's what Banzer four and a target retirement fund can do just that and it can give investors the fortitude the ability to continue to invest even while the market's down even while the economy is going through a difficult time basically the thing that's the most important is having the plan that you can stick to no matter what the circumstances are so yeah. Danial there's no easy peasy four percent return that you can get somewhere in the middle between savings account and the market. I wish I was because that's where I would put all of my intermediate-term sadly it'd be nice if that was there that there's not anything like that. So yeah having some money and savings is a nice buffer for funds that you need readily on hand other than that. You're GONNA need market exposure in order to grow your money over the long haul to provide for your eventual retirement. Needs all right Daniel. Thanks so much for that question Joel. A steer it back to the beer. This episode you in Iowa shared a fog of war which is a beard by easy chair Bruin Garage. Man What are your thoughts on this one all right so our friend Jess dropped off at my house really excited to have a homebrew. Because it's been a while since we've had good homebrew on the show. Has I got to tell you what just knows what he's doing. I'm not sure if he's grew with other people are doing it solo. I gotta ask him. But the Fella's it easy chair brewing garage are turned out some good beers. This one was not too heavy up. The hops were the star. Here it was truly a hop forward beer and those hops shone brightly. It tasted like a perfect summer. I P one that you'd be happy to drink right after you got done mowing the lawn while still being packed full of hot flavor. So yeah I really enjoy this one You mentioning a Madrid and it makes me think of Bell's two hearted which Kinda reminded me of a little bit. It was very clean. A clean drinking hoppy. I definitely hazy but it was balanced without a crazy amounts of hop funky nece that you tend to associate with New England style. Ipa's well-balanced balanced. I really enjoyed this one. Glad you got to how this one on the show buddy. Yeah so big. Thanks suggest for for dropping this off season and this one are way. Thank you jess art? Matt that's going to do it for this episode for folks want show notes. They can just check out how to money dot com. We'll have them up there and everybody knows what we're about to say next but the reason we say it so often is because it's true and that is if you haven't already left us review over an apple podcasts. Please do so now. It really helps us to get the word out. 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Requests For Startups: E-Commerce and Logistics with Laura Behrens Wu and Talia Goldberg

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48:19 min | 2 years ago

Requests For Startups: E-Commerce and Logistics with Laura Behrens Wu and Talia Goldberg

"Hey, everybody. It's Eric torbert co-founder partner, Philip global, eight network driven venture firm, and this is metre stories a podcast covering topics. G tech business with world leading experts. Hi, everyone on this episode of venture stories Eric has joined by Laura. Woo. Co founder and CEO Shipu and tell you Goldberg venture investor at Bessemer. The episode starts with Laura explaining how they came up with the idea for Chicago or business at the very beginning at looked somewhat different from what we had right now. I'm our I thought was something along the lines of Expedia for shipping. Some more phen online tool comparison calculator, and then from that we realized actually when you ship lots of packages than you don't want just in online tool where you have to type in every like Pakistan mentioned too infirm address will may one you wanted to be imported automatically. So that's when we went back to the drawing board decided to model it more after stripe and have a more API Centric approach. And then after that we then again built a Bill to dashboard on top of the API far customers to be able to see what's going on in two to one off shipments through the dashboards while. And when did we know was a good business? I mean, I think one of the interesting or funny things to look back on his when we went through five hundred startups, I didn't really know how to raise and we did like a lot of unsuccessful pitches. So in total I pitched one hundred twenty five investors before raising our seed round, I think that was maybe ten or eleven investors. Those a lot of knows that we heard along the way and shipping just like I think VC's weren't super excited about shipping because it's not a product that VC's need to use. A today's is just something a little heart to relate to we were always lucky that we could refer to Troglio in strive as like two whens of comparisons of like API Centric companies that have done very well. But it took us a while to get there when we found the right investor like Jeff Clavier, he got it almost immediately. And then from there things started happening fast. Wooded just see that other as peers did it. Good question. So I think for Jeff it was mostly really it was a comparison between between like the comparison to Toyo the comparison to strive. He saw something very similar in what we're building. And also what we were pitching back. Then was on the one hand, this is a very big market in commerce is just getting started. So the market size is huge. And then on the other hand like we already have customers. So we're able to show that yet early traction customers were happy about us, and we had that early growth, and I think hitching like seed investors back then the advice that I got I think from the CEO that I used to work for was that seed investors, they actually don't really care about how you're solving the problem as long as you can convince them that the market is big. And there is a problem. Like, it doesn't really matter. How so that's that's what we did. Like big market. The problem. Our customers were happy with us. We had a growing customer base in. We're still experimenting with like how exactly to like whether it's an API century or dashboard, I approach. I just found my Email where I I was a scout for her nozzles queens bridge back in the day with him. And I guess he didn't get it or move fast enough in time. Robin. Tally at you. You Messmer invested in in Chicago. And I remember you doesn't it has been involved in e commerce for for very long time. I remember looking at Sarajevo's like ecommerce series blog posts in two thousand ten or something. But when you talk a little bit about how Bessemer is you the category, historically, and how that is evolved overtime where we are now. Yeah. No pressure. So now that's merged in investing in ecommerce ecommerce related businesses for quite some time. I think that's Moore was actually in the seventies or eighties in investor in stables and dick sporting goods. So even going back for like what at the time was really innovative retail businesses. And then as the internet have emerged as the internet anytime at a payment to the golden age during the dot com era backed number of other companies, which were successful sandwiches, which words the companies like Blue Nile and the like and others, and I think that's more invested in in Quincy, diverse dot com. Which was Mark. You're now running you converse that WalMart the first business, and it was an of selling selling diapers online. Mom. It was a great business, and it was really successful. But for the end of its of its life as a as a private company shortly before it was acquired you started to see the power of Amazon and the team at diapers was constantly looking and saying, oh my gosh. Well, like, look at what these people are Amazon are doing, and we sort of got an inside view as to what abuse Amazon is going to become and then that keep drew and Amazon and diapers in this sort of notorious well-documented on the internet of war had a battle. Where diaper prices were slashed. And ultimately diaper stood sell sell to Amazon, and it was a successful outcome. But it was one that really demonstrated that competing in a third party ecommerce and trying to compete just generally with Amazon was was very very scary. And something that we felt like was not for the faint apart and was an area that we actually would consider a little bit of an anti roadmap. Meaning something that we wanted to stay far away from. Despite the success there, and that kind of led to thinking about will wear are the really interesting areas and opportunities in commerce, and that's about the time when I joined the firm and the areas that we've ended up spending significant amount of time on and continue to spend time in our sort of two fold one in tools and software and products and platforms much like Shimpo that can empower businesses to exist. Impede in thrive in ecommerce. The F is launching storefronts having websites like Shaath Afyon wicks accepting payments, like stripe helping with film it like Shipu and helping to empower entrepreneurs to actually run successful ecommerce businesses themselves and then the second area, which was around marketplaces. Where have we saw the evolution of marketplaces from what used to be an of listing marketplaces like Craigslist? Oh LX into transactional marketplaces, and then overtime even managed marketplaces that were able to really aggregate had fragmented. Apply says demand sides and create really great businesses with strong network effects that had powerful fly wheels. Where it was just nearly impossible for anyone else to compete once those fly wheels really start spinning, and so we decided to just really double down at focused on marketplaces, and and on software and products to empower to empower businesses both enterprises and small businesses to compete any commerce. Outweighs candidature marketplace at some people are critiqued management than say that sir marches. Never do that great or difficult you venture outcomes. I had to use her push pushback on that. Yeah. So I mean, I did get sort of a natural evolution like who had listing marketplaces where there was just still a lack of trust. And a lot of onus on buyers and suppliers to actually figure out like, okay? Well, this person legitimate you had to pay off and just to list as service or a product on on the on the sites much like Craigslist operates today, but there is incredible acquitted, and I think transactional marketplace's kind of came in and solved a real pain point. Which was hey, like, we can become the stress and intermediate intermediary where we can actually facilitate the transaction you can trust us as trusted intermediary. And we can also help vet in qualify. But the supply and demand side frigging like a much better experience. And in some cases, even a very ecommerce like experience where you don't even. Have to think about ratings for reviews like, you know, you say much like when you're looking and waiting for an Uber. You say, hey, I just want a car that can come quickly to my location and bring me from point eight. A b you're not looking in saying, hey, does driver a year. See have the best reviews mummy decide let me send him a message. And then see who can come. It's it's it's very seamless industry of one click transaction. And so there's been a little bit of a of a transition towards that where I think in the manage marketplaces are. I think another extension of that where they're just helping to facilitate the transaction in a really seamless way. And I think for some marketplaces or for some models. It might be right. That businesses are never gonna have the gross margin profile of a business like EBay or or Uber Airbnb today, but they still might be really great businesses where the alternative the incumbents might be operating had a very manual services businesses that have something like twenty percent gross margin. And if you can come in and use software and. Marketplace business model Tim improved that entire transaction in the workflow is possible that your fifty sixty percents margin business competing against incumbents. That are just have a totally different way of operating in the world. And so even something like a stitch fix on the one hand where they have empowered. They're stylus and designers with a bunch of different software decision tools to make them to so much better and more efficient at their jobs as some form of a managed marketplace. And we have a portfolio company called AC the auctions, which is in the BBC car dealership marketplace where in the off on world or in that kind of pre ACB world. Most car auctions were happened literally in physical auction sites where he would have cars and most dealers would be fitting kind of real time on cars as goatman for physical auction, and they kind of came in. And it's like, this is sort of crazy. This should happen on a mobile device or wherever the dealers, are you can have much more dynamic bidding. And we can then bet the cars and help manage. The transportation from dealer at a dealer be and they've done that. And do they have the eighty percent? Chris merchant profile of software business or internet social network. No, but relative to what they're competing with and and the service, and the the value proposition that they provide is dramatically better faster and cheaper than the alternative. So I think I think it can work. And I think what we're excited about thinking grew necks is like where is there the potential to actually leverage off wear a different technology to actually make some of the output of the work the the supply side better than they would be without the marketplace. So not even just kind of connecting, but actually helping to improve the way that they work. So if there's a business that I thought was pretty interesting in China that I recently learned about called hang on good doctor, which is now a public company, I believe, but they basically kind of go through and go through a workflow where your messaging the doctor talking about your symptoms. And kind of going back and forth, and and that'll all be done via a, but then if you need to see an actual doctor, and it's the says, hey, like we need to triage this. This person needs to come in. We're going to connect them to a doctor in our network that doctor is sitting there and his empowered with a bunch of different data and decision tools that help them say, hey, in ninety nine point nine percent of the cases, this is what we would recommend and they're better at doing their job. They can avoid some of the biases, and they can work faster and see more patients. So I think over time we might see remark places where software is actually an enabler and changing the whole nature of the way that that you work in interact with folks, I want us to pretend that we're starting to fund the so venture funded solely focused on ecommerce. And the next questions will be with that sort of, you know, hypothetical in mind and the first question there is how would we and Laurie ordering some some angel investing. Now, I would think about Amazon in terms of with opportunities exists because Amazon exists or. Says Moore would him robberies live we stay away from. He has Allen bad one. Last thought on the on the marketplace question that you had it's like from marketplace's when I also find quite fascinating is that like a lot of these marketplaces are able to make fires just more comfortable with buying from strangers like the marketplaces able to enforce a certain standard, you know, a few by on on at sea. Or if a transaction is powered by pay pal that if something goes wrong, you're you'll be able to trust pay pals at sees customer support, you know, what kinds of return standards, they have with shipping. Sometimes it's the same thing where you know, like the what the shipping expectations is. So I think marketplaces have the other benefit in addition to connecting people have like some sort of stamp of approval. You know that the seller is on that marketplace if they're not being raided properly, or they're going to be kicked off the platform vitamin I love that idea. Like, I think one of the biggest things that. Gets make site about ship. Is that for so long shipping is an fulfillment. I think a lot of businesses perceive it as a cost center, like a, you know, it's like this. 'cause on your on your, you know, and it's something that it's just a cost you have to do it. And maybe it's getting more expensive because in the age of Amazon, you'll have to, you know, pay more to have fast shipping. But in reality, I think it's really the opposite in something that, you know, like ship and kind of as you think about the future of commerce Vilma does really changing because the film identities actually a revenue driver. Like, one of the biggest reasons that people abandoned their shopping carts is because of the shipping times and selections. And if you think about what Amazon did do a basically made shipping such a competitive advantage in a revenue driver where you were saying, hey, because this is prime eligible, and we have guaranteed to shipping. This leads to a significant uplift in sales and the same thing for these small businesses. Like, hey, you know, using Shipu shipping is no longer. Or something that one is really painful, and you have to go round integrating with one hundred different uperior in reading through those API dos. Figuring out rates and optimizing all of it. But you can actually make a much better experience and drive and uplift in sales as well. And so I think, you know, some of it is is cost savings. But some of it is is is actually just genuinely making a much better experience and and proving the businesses, but anyway, so back to the your set your other points on if we were starting a business or of a fun today to invest in commerce a great question. One of the things that I'm curious if you Laura actually of any any thoughts on either. But that I've been thinking about a lot is that today or actually if you fast for a rewind ten years ago, a lot of the rhetoric around what was happening in China was that they were imitating a lot of the successful businesses in the US in sort of adapting them to the Chinese market in ecosystem, and they'll be some really big business. Mrs and I looked today and I kind of fast forward today. And I think it's a little bit the opposite. And that in fact, a lot of innovation particularly in ecommerce is coming from China, and that we've moved from this world where they were imitators to one where they're really innovators, and that if you look at discovery base in social commerce and livestream commerce in the like are actually leapfrog the US significantly. And while I don't think what works in China will necessarily work in the US. I think there's a lot that you can learn and kind of adapt to this market that is pretty innovative here today. Yeah. Great. I think the other aspect is that the Chinese market increasingly has an appetite for a western products and is wanting to get these western products through their own technologies through their own social networks to their doorstep as fast as possible. Yeah. A lot of the world of e-commerce today. I think that has been really successful for the most part has primarily been pretty search based. Meaning like I want to search for something. I know what I need. And I it's going to be come and get the livered and kind of Amazon is like that a lotta shop advise like that. But people are looking for something. And if you look at the offline world retail is actually like there's a lot of impulse purchase behavior. Yuma who used to go to shopping malls? And would like hang out with their friends, and that was a social place, and it would lead to then hummers and checking out and after he for the most part is still an offline behavior, and I think, you know, companies like posh, Mark perhaps on a fashion. Marketplace is a little bit more social inherently in how if you go on and interact like each really lively. It's very much a community. It's a social experience maybe wishes a little bit of a discovery like shopping experience, but outside of a few examples, I think a lot of commerce today is. Mary much search base. And I think they're still really big opportunities to take what's like, a natural social human behavior that does still exist. Off-line Mike impulse purposes is social purchases and translate some of that online. Yeah. I all that point. So people always ask why are there separate brands that are not being sold on Amazon like why don't people just put everything on Amazon. And I think what we see there is that people go on Amazon exactly for what what Talia said for typing in generic word searches. People are not looking for specific brands on Amazon they're open to any sort of recommendation state type in the broad product category. That they're looking for like black Penn instead of the specific brand of pen that they're looking for. And then they go with whatever's recommended by Amazon, whatever has to highest reviews, so what we see like the kinds of customer set shipped with us and don't sell on Amazon. These are brands that are building. I first all brand awareness that wants to own their own customers. People who are selling more of a lifestyle, not even a product. But a a more premium product with a lifestyle attached an lot of them also sell on like, a multitude of different channels. They might have their own websites. Also, south from social so Instagram are big channels for our customers on Instagram. I think it's fascinating. How people just follow all of these smaller brands, you wouldn't as consumer follow. I dunno WalMart or Amazon's Instagram account for like all of these smaller. Brands said sell shoes or clothing directly to the end customer mattresses, even you would follow their Instagram's in it's almost like following friend. They're not like aggressively trying to sell you in item in every single post, but they're trying to like show their items in in like cool surroundings like attached to a lifestyle that you subscribe to maybe with an influence, and then like, it's it's more of a emotional aware. Bonus that you have to that sort of positioning. Totally. I think I'm sure Instagram and Facebook are working on it. But it feels like it's been one of the biggest missed opportunities as making some of that behavior. Transactional. As well. I'm curious on on your side. If you think, and I've read different thoughts on this from, you know, at WalMart, where they see I think retail and physical retail stores as a very big part of the future of ecommerce will people are will, you know, buy things online and pick up in store and grocery being a key area of that. And I've seen a bunch of different other takes and thoughts on how the physical retail world and the online commerce world will increasingly be linked and tied and really important. I'm curious if you've when you think about that, and nor customers see physical retail as a he part of actually film it and where they pick up products, and and how they shop. Yeah. No. It's a fun question. I think first of all even Amazon started building physical stores. So I don't think physical retail will be going away anytime soon. It's more about like, what does physical retail apply in the future. And a lot of our customers in a lot of they like more modern direct to consumer brands have turned their physical star funds into more fun experience base. Outline. And I think for example here in in his value. There is that outdoor Royces store or there's a like a little indoor waterfall and people go in there to drink tea, and then maybe by something or the reformation store in the mission where showroom experience less of a traditional shopping experience. So our customers a lot of them when they start out as director consumer companies when they do become more successful. They start opening up pop up stores. They start having their own locations and the one of the upsides of having a physical store fund is also being able to ship from a location that's closer to the demand. So I think one of the big advantages that Amazon has a set they never put their inventory further than seventy miles away from the actual consumer. So if you have a physical location in densely populated area, you're a voltages like fulfill your orders out of those locations and ship from. Mm there directly to the end customer cutting down dramatically on shipping costs which you can also do as you can accept returns in that physical fund so customers don't have to pronounce shipping labels or they don't have to go to the carrier store. They can just walk into your physical location and hemp the item back. So that seat to upside that we see for shipping for fulfillment of having a physical location. I think there'd gets a little tricky in terms of like inventory management where to actually ship from what if you don't have that inventory in that particular store? So it has a digital complexities. The multi Omni channel approach is something that we see all the successful enlargers like growing direct to consumer brands thin. Yeah. I guess there's like a point in time where everyone sells everything Raymond or if you can get the product that you're looking for on searching for many different sites, you'd get on get on WalMart EBay, a lot of different third-party sites. Like, how do you actually differentiate? And how do you get people to come to your site versus others or even your store versus the others in. It's like up to have the best experience or you have to have exclusive products. And I think a lot of that has gone to like these new the rise director of brands as well where you know, they're completely in control of how they distribute aware they own the site in the destinations and you even look at Amazon with their own private label brands, WalMart doing the same. You. That's how you get people to come to your site is or do your stores if you either have the best most entertaining shopping experience in the physical retail store where you can get tea and coffee and also shop for your products, the same time, or whatever it might be return things at the store or that. You just have something. That's totally unique. And that people can only get once if they come to you. And that's actually has an investor is been a really lucrative area. That we've seen a bunch of investments all hours flow into an Esmer's invested in a handful of striking consumer brands as well. But personally, I found really challenging because it's very hard for me to kind of look at it and see a specific brand. And kind of have the knows that it's going to be, you know, a hundred times as successful in the future versus something that'll on a stall out. It's always really dangerous to you know, look at your own tastes. And pretend that that's what the rest of the population will feel. And so that's been you know, to Eric's question on so where there are a lot of opportunity are whereas fest Mer focused on bras. An investor any farmers we've spent some time focused on on direct to consumer brands. Although personally, I've found that to be really challenging so telling him curious, I know that one of your companies is function of beauty there also one of our customer. So that kind of goes into the trend, deflate customization end consumers really wanting products that are made just for them. Is that a trend that you see continuing like, how do you see that scale? Yeah. You know, I think one of the most interesting things about that business in a point of Deborah. And she ish in that perhaps that is a real competitive advantage for Amazon or other businesses that can pull off the personal vision is just a supply chain around that and actually the ability to produce products in a truly personalized way that's at scale, and that you can deliver on it without paying a massive premium for doing that. And so I think that's one of the biggest innovations that has. Merged there. And actually, I think, you know, bathing around the supply chain of actually how do you create the goods can be a real competitive advantage to me look at the fast fashion world, and like Zara H M, and they've built really awesome powerful and massive businesses by investing a lot in that supply chain and in how that's made and actually wonder maybe this is a request for startup. Actually, you know, I'd love to find companies that are enabling others to have much better supply chains and actually figure out. Hey, like, I have this great idea for products. I could use ship. Oh, I can use shop a fi payments on stripe. Like, okay. Well, I how do I actually make it and produce it and do it in the best way possible and optimize that process and so- function of beauty did a lot of that hard work on their own. And and has been really successful doing that. I think as far as how consumer tastes will evolve. Like your guest as good as mine. It's so hard to predict I have no idea. You know, it'll be people want personalization or. You know will all flock to the same names to products in the future announced that that's just a hard thing to protect think put the benefit again, I'm having that supply chain is that you can evolve to meet the anti kind of deliver the products that customers really want. And so that's what's really exciting there and separately. I think some of the most interesting kind of ecommerce businesses in particular ones that have a more recurring relationship with their customers where much like shampoo and conditioner, you need to purchase it every month, or so, and that becomes a real touch point in in the offline world companies like Pantene or I don't know take your favorite shampoo and conditioner. Brand would invest a lot in big commercials and in shelf space on the retail stores and today in a world where people aren't really making the decision by looking at, you know, the what's limited by what's fit on a physical shelf space, but were you unlimited options and people are not picking just based on what's on the Super Bowl commercial. It opens up a really interesting opportunity for smaller brands to actually compete, and I think that's a lot of the trends that have led to the growth in a lot of these director consumer brands is that dynamic no longer exists in in the kind of ecommerce Lethem system. Yeah. I love that. And then at the same time a lot of these larger PG companies, they don't have that direct relationship with the end customer. So as as you said they put their items on the shelf, but they don't have the the customers Email address sees or like waste to retarget them. They just have that what one moment at CVS or Walgreens when you're looking at which in by. And then it's a lot easier for a smaller branch to like start building direct relationships with the end customer through social media through influencers, whatever that is unlike make sure that customers, you know, who don't want to go to CVS anymore are aware of the other options that they have online. I think what we then see is that a lot of the largest if. DT companies they're doing ecommerce in direct to consumer for the very first time. So when they're starting out with that, especially on the shipping side, it's almost like a startup. It's something that they've never done before. Lebron onto Jackie consumer brands, you there was a time where we've heard of like, oh, this is going to be Worby for ex for everything recasts for hype seems to famous slightly. Here's what is sort of the criteria. That makes a or b for shoes maybe more attractive in all birds, then a Worby for I don't know ceiling fans, or what is the criteria which say, oh, a strong directly rant of this category or somebody who can work, and this limits probably not in that is again as an area, I've really struggled in the my colleague Kent particular here is far smarter than I had can answer that question better. So I really haven't figured out exactly how a great formula or pattern to kind of tell you specifically that although I do think that there are in a one in paddock Aures that people do look for brands and trust and are looking for that. Like if you look at. If you were a Boeing, maybe Boeing is not the best example in light of the seven thirty seven challenges. But if you were in applying plane, and you had the choice of of the best brand, and the, you know worst brand or the unbranded offering in the space. He would've quest twos. The best brand because like, it means something in your life is there and in certain categories, you know, having that brand it really is just a promise. And so any categories that have that level of had a meaning and where the brand lends itself to kind of. Meaning, hey, this is like the lowest cost best operating or this is a really high value product for this is another those Ashraful it quite valuable, and as well as AP personally, I I lean towards categories where there is a much more recurring relationship. And I think it's actually just much easier to build a brand in categories that have a really recurring relationship because you have to keep coming back, and you have an opportunity to develop your brand with that customer, whereas visibility one time purchase. It's it's much harder to do that. And and much harder to build that sticky. Trusted relationship. So I think that's part of the reason why a lot of these CPG categories have been some of the largest brands in some of the biggest spenders continually over time is that their products that you just run out of and need more of. But it's also easy or wishing a few of these brands that got started when founder ready had a cloud and was able to or ready had some sort of credibility in the space is able to reach the right audience fast. I think glossier is a phenomenal example there were Emily Weiss. Spend a lot of time beforehand like blogging being influential in the space, and then with that was able to start glossier with with the audience trusting her already the other part like when I think about contact lenses is one example or mattresses there is that convenience factor of or even like a liners invisible. Invis- line is the the other brand. But like they're liners that are just signed like visit invis- ally in being sent directly to your doorstep. It gets the convenience factor of people. Don't want to go to the dentist. Don't want to go to the to the mattress store. They want things to be. Delivered directly to their homes and then with mattresses, it's a it's an interesting example because nowadays Raval to like there is a writing -nology to to compress mattresses into a smaller FedEx box than have it be ship -able. That's a an invention. I guess that wasn't available to us beforehand, and then repeat purchases as Talia said. I think the last one is also signaling just like a brand that you're able to talk about where you signal a certain like belonging to a group via all when you're in the tech community or glossier when you're into that group. Why if you're largely on ecommerce enablement in tools, how do you sort of slice up? That's like if you draw many market map right in terms of like, the different sub sectors within that what you're interested in. How would you sort of outline without looks life? If you look at everything you need to have a great insights into run a great business. There's when you need the storefronts you need for fill the to the fill the actual goods. And there's a whole ecosystem companies that are innovating on arts of the actual carrier ecosystem. Meaning can we build a much better? Actual like sort of a FedEx or USPS experience than actually help improve that part of the logistics. There are ship, oh, and helping with the film and actually on integrating and connecting with this whole carrier ecosystem and making it really flexible such that, whatever those offerings are. And if you can optimize or an easily work within the best options for your business. But we've seen a lot and we continue to see a lot actually. Around around the logistics. He goes system, more broadly. And then another part that we are spending more time in and thinking about is on the supply chain. Meaning how do you have is ability to who your vendors are way your products are coming from? How do you manage those relationships? You know, you might be someone in the US who is products are produced and and fest manufacturer for us overseas. Like, you might not speak the right language. You might not have had a team that set up over there yet. Like, how do you navigate that entire ecosystem? And make sure you're getting high quality products. The products need on the timelines, you need and integrate across the whole supply chain. And then last endings there are a whole host of different businesses. Many of which are on a vertical. Marketplace's some of which are tools that are helping you say, hey, well, you have everything you need to have a successful store, but you still need customers. How do you got to market yourself? What are the right distribution channels is a marketplace model out of the right for the right model for this hat gory. And what in particular? After we believe on there's a lot of opportunity for a marketplace to sixteen in and win. And maybe the the last area that I'm personally like an idea than floating around in my mind and thinking about more and more is this notion of like could you give someone the tools and empower them with the tools, they need to everything they would need to start a business in create a little bit like a business a box and in particular in industries that are very supply constrained where there's just not enough challenger or or people. So if you think about in nursing homes, there's not enough qualified out of labor and alike or nurses themselves. Like, could you give someone all the tools that they would need to actually start their own business and to and to do all that and to connect in two different sources of demand where hey, we know that there's a lot of demand for x y and z, but we just need to create a high quality supply in that trusted relationship. There's a whole lot of people that need jobs. Let's empower them and help them. Be entrepreneurs me released festival in create that. And so that's. Another theme that I've been thinking about a little bit more wonderful as maybe a little bit of an example of that there where there's real demand for daycares. And how do you create an M how're people to actually create high quality child care and and create that supply? And I think that's a really interesting opportunity that I expect there will be a lot of different investment opportunities in over the coming years, Laura. How do you think about your investment pieces in in ecommerce broadly, either as a as a partner in without a under or as an angel ran out route to caveat that I just started angel investing late last year. And at this very moment. Like, I'm trying to invest in companies that I actually understand meaning that I'm investing in companies that are most in the ecommerce in woman's face haven't really been able to figure out like a sound investment thesis, yet, I think my mind is more around like where can I actually add value and be helpful to the to the founders? And that's like around to be a B two B tools. Ecommerce enablement tools, folk. API Centric companies when I think about ecommerce enablement, I think I really would tally in saying around like most of the people starting online online stores these days, they are nod ecommerce experts, and they don't necessarily want to become ecommerce experts. They want to be the best ad marketing their products or at making their products. But they don't want to learn the in-and-out sieve, I don't know online payments or shipping how to build how to set up a website. So all these things need to be as easy as possible. And then on the one hand it's like there's a lot of complexity happening in the background. So when I say like making things easy. I think it's about obstructing all of that complexity that's going on in the background. And then presenting it to the merchant as something that is very intuitive in very easy to use. So that's one area that I'm interested in. The other one is just a date on lakes. If it like when our customers our customers compete with retail giants like they only have access to certain data said a nets mostly their own data said, and they don't know how to deal with that. Or what to how to read into that so machine learning products around like data analytics is something that I'm interested in. Let's say our fund is years old. We have ship. Oh in it already. What would be in our anti portfolio? But what companies are has three years three hours? We miss that. We think are going to be massive. We Embiid can't invention already or it keping investment portfolio on the contrary. What sort of looking out in the next three to five years? What companies are types of companies are don't exist in sort of what white white space is there looking forward. But where's the next ship? Gonna come from man. So today, I saw something cool coming out of Wiessee, which was a SaaS product for were houses. So I do think on the were housing side. There's a lot to be done like automating the prophecies happening in the warehouses. Also, just like more modern warehouses warehouses that are being used today. A lot of most of them are in set up for direct to consumer shipping. There is still more on the outdated side. So we're housing is an area that I've been excited about curious about what you're thinking tell you for sure spend more time on this. I think I maybe to answer on on the anti portfolio. Our Bessemer has we actually publish anti portfolio? It were were often. Right. But we're also often wrong. The mistakes omissions are sometimes the most painful or off in the most painful, especially in this industry. So it's a fun rate. If you check it out, search best Moran type folio we laugh, but we also cry a little bit when we. In it. But there are a handful company. They'll personally, I think Hosh markets is one of the ones that I have in my personal anti portfolio and have watched the company grow from a really young early stage company where even before they started out a bit more interest like and then evolved into a marketplace for for fashion and a real community. That's been has sort of the benefit of social media like engagement where people are commenting and engaged in fend time and browse. And and really just are super super half minute about the community as well as transaction and unique him in for in. So that's the company that is is in our funds anti portfolio, unfortunately. And and and we think about quite a bit. And then maybe the the other one I'd look at his is is wish as well. Where wish I was a company that was a little bit harder person. Venture investors early on to totally Groff because you know, they are selling you know, they. You know, they kind of go against the seem like don't do anything to compete with Amazon like they're selling third party like unbranded foods that are somewhat monetize. I think a lot of what they did was actually serve a segment of the population. That a lot of these are still see every day, which is not serving the more coastal elite, and but they're really serving the dollar store like customer segment, but was really interesting about what they've done is that they have created a very much browse discovery this shopping experience, and in particular have have really innovated on the cross-border size and cross-border e-commerce where price is actually the most important factor in driving those purchases Asians than they can get and of the products and deliver the logistics such that you can buy a three dollar for dollar product from China, not pay for shipping and get it on your door. It might take thirty days later, but that's pretty amazing that you can sell something for four bucks not charge for shipping and still make money. And so that's a big business that I think it will be surprised to hear. Like, it is in the future and and over time. Okay. So you earlier today about what's your requests for start ups are requests for some experimentation. Where do you wanna see more entrepreneurs experimenting in another variation? My question is if you weren't running ship, Laura if you were in a partner at embezzling taller than you. You're starting a company in space, and you weren't limited to the skills or interests that you have you're just trying to optimize for where the biggest opportunity is what might you pursue a recommend is as part of requests for startups. So it's a it's a hard one for me because I spend all my time thinking of shipping, and I don't have a lot of time to think about other things on I was recently at an event where I had a really fascinating conversation with a guy and I asked the same question. He said if he was working on what he was working right now he'd be trying to figure out asteroid mining. And I started doing some research on that it seems like. I was very inspired by that conversation that there are people out there here in Silicon Valley thinking about things that are a lot bigger than what I'm working on. I think that's that's one of the upsides of being here. But I don't have anything concrete that I will be doing otherwise, I think of dislike focusing all of my energy resources are shipping. I. Asteroid mining. We'll be bigger. I think that is really interesting because sometimes I go back and forth. And and I think a lot of times in front of my job to know back and forth between companies that are so dramatically thinking about what the future might be. If it's maybe a few years from now, maybe twenty five years from now, it's not totally clear on some categories. But like what they're really inventing the theater and are thinking kind of so far beyond what the average person is thinking about if you almost think about it as like, the if you think of Jeff as he has two parts to me as the blue origin part grading rockets and thinking about the future in that way. But then he also says Amazon part, which as we think about in the euro now and today world is the other part of investing, which is things that are probably not going to change always. Which is I think he has some famous, quote that, you know, people always want the lowest prices and things derive at their door, the fastest. And I think there's sort of set when I think about the areas that we want invest in kind of looking at those two things, which is what is never gonna change human behavior. And how can you kind of create a much better product experience is now. That might be have a second mover advantage or might rethinking something that exists and is very court of the human experience today or serving an underserved community. But also the things that are just creating totally new markets and completely innovating and may seem totally insane in wild. But you know, turns out, you know, five years from now, you look back, and it seems obvious of those are really great investment opportunities in areas would Robina conversational boss in are those going to be a thing. Your commerce rather to is it worth speculating future? Amazon the musically WalMart and three what our series as investors looking for in ecommerce neighbor with sort of attraction in a personally, I think that it's quite possible that there will be some really interesting opportunities in more chap office commerce heart of one of the challenges. I think has been that you have, you know, unlike if you look at in China where everyone's on we chat, and there's tons of really interesting examples of conversational commerce the difference. Here is like not everyone is on. We chat not everyone is on the same platform insisting of IOS, Android. There's his books. There's instagram. There's a bunch of and some of those systems have been historically quite closed. And I think as more of that opens up there may be really interesting opportunities for conversational commerce and even -tunities for companies to kind of provide that tool set and kind of power some of those some of those businesses as well, it's definitely early. So it might take a lot longer than than people anticipate. I think haven't got a bright future any the mazing. What they do. I mean across it, by the way, they're doing on the kind of infrastructure and on the software time AWS, well, wildly impressive and create and mind blowing to be honest as well. And I think they're future is so bright, I would not bet against Amazon, although we also in a believe that there's a whole host of opportunities to exist alongside them, and we continue to invest in that same thing. But I don't know. I I personally and I'm a argument on shareholder because I think the businesses it's one of the most incredible businesses that exists today. But you know, I think at some point it's got up like, I think it'll be biggest monopoly we've seen probably since standard oil. And so at some point it'll be broken up. And I don't know if that's years away or thoughts fifteen years aware, but I think that's in their future. I think the other Vagit Amazon Fisher has a star. Started as an e commerce company. Walmart did not. So it's it's just a little bit of catch-up that they need to do your resume of some of these types of ecommerce enable companies, what would never traction, what makes sense we MS Abbott the early stage at the growth stage in so in terms of stand. We don't have any the rules. We want to work with founders that have a strong vision for the future and are working on working on building companies and products that their customers really value in life. And so I think we'd be excited to chat with companies that might not even get have products, but have a really strong views of of of what they're going to build in white used consist in this world and can help us to see that future as well and can benefit from our experience. So you don't necessarily need to have any specific sort of an attraction or momentum said to be a great fit for Bessemer. Laura. That's been fantastic episode any any last minute plugs, or that people should that the audience should be aware of tips went stay tuned for for for shipowners professional. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. I mean, we are always looking for people to join the team. So we have a bunch of open positions right now. Our offices in San Francisco were looking for, you know, deadly hard-working, except the people who are excited about the ecommerce space people who want to come in have an impact, and I want to contribute to something vague and most of our like open positions right now around engineering around product management, but it's it's across the board. And then everyone who needs to ship things. I'd be like extremely excited. Java conversation with them to see what we can do we ship. Anything that shipping providers can handle and from the US to anywhere on the will I'll second more plug. I think look we've been involved with ship for now two years and honestly Laura's been so often work with Simon her co founder and the rest of the team are some of the most thoughtful humble and hardworking people. So definitely they're hiring. And you should check it out. But no, but but really we're we've been really fortunate to be involved with the company, and it's been really fun to watch them grow over the past few years. Thanks for coming with my guess is that is super smooth our. So you did fantastic. Thank you. Thank there. Bye. If you're an early stage entrepreneur, we'd love to hear from you. Please hit us up village. Global dot BC slash at work catalyst.

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Ep 523 | Stimulus Check Round 2: Free Money Is Apparently the New Normal

The News & Why It Matters

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Ep 523 | Stimulus Check Round 2: Free Money Is Apparently the New Normal

"Today the White House is a second round of direct payments to Americans Texas is reopening like it or not and a new source. Goes public to corroborate sexual assault claims against Joe Biden. We've got a lot to get into and it starts right now. Welcome to the news and why it matters. I'm Sarah Gonzales today. Joined in-studio once again by Chad. Prey their host of the Chad prey their show on TV? Or wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for being back Mr Denim. I'm so nervous to be here. Are you know that's kind of weird because we're just here yesterday? I don't know I just wanted a different emotion today. That's what it's going to be right also joined remotely We have a lighter schaffer host of slightly offensive which you can also find on TV. And Elijah. I'm I'm kind of jealous because I see bear but is that a water bottle that you have with your branding on it. Yeah it is so I mean to say this online but Some of the folks at Yeti really like my show and they sent me like some some stuff like this. He sent me a whole box. And it was like there was only five items. But it's Yeti then you know that was about ten thousand dollars worth Oh? I'm Super Jealous. Right now yet. He's like top top of the line. So that's impressive. Our somebody like the Chad. One day you're going to do so. The logic gets beat up on his show and I'm not a fan of that at all. It's true and we are. I promise we are going to get into the news. But my favorite thing about alleged show and he does all of this man on the street stuff. He's going out there into the crowds of Antifa where you don't want to be. And he's always wearing blazed media like branding and I'm like why are you wearing that and he's like it's part of my contract with you. Bring that one up with gas tyler. It said he goes. Whenever you're out on the street or you're out there you have to be wearing are branded apparel. And and it's kind of ironic because the blaze logo has the circle and it's a it's a over my heart and it's a straight target right here to say attack attack me right. Oh man we appreciate you Doing the work on the frontlines there. Elijah Let's get into today's news. A White House economic adviser said today that the trump administration administration is quote studying very carefully whether to provide another round of stimulus checks. Already feel like some of us haven't even received The first one yet Beyond the one time at twelve hundred dollar direct payment which could be part of the face for deal. Now if you will recall we've We've talked about the original plan. And then they moved up to graduated to. I believe the last one was the three point. Five plan that they were talking about. Now we're talking about a phase four deal and You know they're they're studying Chad. Can we really afford? I mean I got it when you shut the country down. You gotta give Americans something in return. Because you can't tell them we're not going to allow you to work and we're also not going to give you any compensation in exchange for that. But how much can we really afford? More to be spending on all of these stimulus checks. It's an interesting question that you pose. They're not put it another way for the longest time. During these democratic debates people were wanting to have a universal medicare or have a universal healthcare system that was implemented in place. We can't pay for this stimulus. How are we going to provide everybody's health insurance? This is where you start to see one aspect of the reality of of this situation. Money doesn't grow on trees we can't just keep printing it. That's not what is going to happen. And to the other side of the point to your point twelve hundred dollars you're just not gonNa live very long on twelve hundred dollars but it is interesting to find that there are people out there. Reports are now coming back. People are buying some very novelty items with their stimulus check and some people are actually making money in the shutdown more so than they would make him back to work. This is creating a lot of problems for a lot of different levels. What are your thoughts? Well like you were just saying where they had stimulus package three point five. Sometimes I feel like the government talks about money like a four year old talks about their birthday on four four point five five and the government just to to to address the situation in a way that I think confuses both parties because just a moment ago we were talking about the populace and taking back the government from the swamp and then all of a sudden you have these Marco Rubio big government. Republicans promoting the stimulus package. And the reason why. I think we're so confused because this is seems like it might be one of the first time in recent history where the government intentionally sabotaged their own country. And so at this point you're going we've gone through depressions. We've gone through recessions. We'd gone through war related shortages. But I don't remember any time in recent history the government said Oh. We're doing the best we've ever done in history. Now's the time to destroy. My marriage is so good now about to come out to go have an affair. It's like why now and I don't know if money is GonNa fix a problem like it's the people are offering solution are the same people who caused the problem. I'm beginning to not really trust. They know what they're doing here. I have that same feeling illogic. I great analogy. I feel like I'm sitting here looking at the government going. Why don't you love me anymore? What if I done well? I'm giving you this okay. But I feel used. I feel like I'm taking the sweaty cash off the nightstand. Slink you know kind of slinging out of the room ashamed and you know and the government lays there in the bed. Smoke a cigarette like we. We took care of them. They're paid off now. It really you feel used at a situation that I can be bought off for a couple of surplus checks or stimulus jokes that way speaking of that. Apparently according to new polling about seventy two percent of Americans say that they will hit their breaking point if the nationwide lockdown continues into the summer months So Americans this is according to Newsweek. Americans are like yet were done When it comes to whether or not we might get corona virus or whether or not we might have a mental breakdown. We're going to go with the mental breakdown of we. Don't get out of here and start living normal life again It's interesting because when you look at the beginning of this thing. I think there were a lot of Americans who said okay. We're willing to take one for the team. We're willing to you know. Stay indoors for a limited amount of time to let you guys figure this out flatten the curve to do all these things and I think it's extended long past the time that Americans thought that they would be still staying indoors and apparently the majority of them are done. They're like we're done. We're going to lose our ever loving minds you're welcome at it for censoring myself so you didn't have to Elijah. What are your thoughts on that one study? I saw recently said that alcohol sales were up about two hundred seventy two percent over all including deliveries. So I'm not the surgeon general of the United States but I can't imagine that that increased consumption of alcohol is doing any good for our livers or our blood in general and that being said I mean I know it sounds funny but a we have to really look at the long-term effects here with people. Losing their jobs with people not being able to go outdoors with people not able to go to like AA groups or to church things. That really helped them. The Jin I mean I honestly believe that people are not as stable as we like to pretend and I am very nervous. Speaking of all these anti shooters that are out. Oh we got to stop school shootings. I'm glad school shootings have stopped in the meantime because nobody's at school. But if you if you WANNA YOU WANNA pretend that you're for mental health a few months ago and I really care about the state of people and we've got to make sure that our country's healthy and all these programs that are coming out by the by the government especially even here in California and then you tell people by the way based off of insufficient data shaky models and inaccurate experts. We're going to require you to put your entire life on hold. I don't think people are going to take much longer. And if people started a revolution over increased prices on t I mean I think this is a little bit more serious. Yeah cad three things we know about this. We know that it is real. We know that it is highly infectious and we know that. The mortality rate on it is not what they thought it would be. Okay we know who it attacks. We know for the most part to a ninety nine point some odd degree. Who is who suffers from this. Who Dies from this thing at some point time? We had the poll. You had the poll on this show last Friday. That said how long were you take this day a week a month a year a of people said a day. I voted for a day because you didn't have no days on there wasn't an option. It's not an option for me. I just know days because I'm not susceptible to that. I know who in my family and immediate life is and we will take those precautions. Because we're responsible Americans. We know how to handle our liberty. I don't need the government to tell me how to protect my own family from this so I will make sure that. My mother-in-law that my mother that they are quarantined there in their place and we keep our distance from them. We protect them. Shut down the rest of the world and to to punish the healthy over. This thing is ludicrous. So we know enough about this right now because Elijah's right sketchy models that we had the models didn't prove anything because the models were based on anything foundational but now we're starting to know some things and the numbers that are coming back by medical professionals are proving the point you got to open this thing back up but you gotta open it back up responsibly. That's the thing. Liberty requires responsibility and it does. I'm out and about it like I told you before we started. I've gained thirteen pounds now probably more. But I don't WanNa talk about it and it's all because what happened is I said okay. You got a shelter in place we went out and bought every frozen concoction of food that we could imagine it loaded up on beer and alcohol and wine and everything else and it was almost like. Okay kids it's a sleepover and I've been having sleep over food for four weeks now eating frozen pizza and a bunch of crap and I've sat on my butt and I've watched a full encyclopedia of Netflix. And look at my fat ass. It's disgusting heart health. All kinds of stuff. I'm out of breath talking. Well okay well let me take over for you just for one. Second Ben Elijah. You know I think that this this is kind of a good segue into What really really. It's confusing for a lot of Americans. I think there's a lot of inflation when you look at why. The lockdown started a lot of people are conflicting not getting a virus ever right. We're we're locked down. Because we are not supposed to get the virus were hiding from the virus until it becomes a radical versus. Were supposed to be doing this to flatten the curve. We don't want the hospital systems to be overwhelmed. We've heard from how many medical experts now that what the majority of the population the overwhelming majority of the population will have this virus. Where's the disconnect? Because I'm hearing what they're saying that we're doing this to flatten the curve and not to overwhelm the hospital systems. But what I'm hearing from. The American public is overwhelmingly. We can't come out until the viruses gone and scientifically. I'm not a scientist. All right but scientifically. I don't find that to be possible Elijah. Yeah if you look at the numbers right. I just did some calculations just yesterday from the CDC zone website so they combine influenza and pneumonia testing and deaths together. And it's somewhere around fifty nine thousand forty one that are confirmed after testing positive For those diseases. It's sometimes very hard to delineate between the two because on one hand sometimes when you have one you have the effect older populations who are susceptible to disease immuno compromised people too but that being said those are confirmed cases people who were tested and as we know. I'm sure even people watching the show right now have had. The flu had pneumonia and get tested. But what's happening is is where people going. I want knowledge. I want information to know that this isn't as deadly as they're saying before we all go out. You're not gonNA have that information and and the reason why I say that is because as of right now the only people who are allowed to speak on the public form about this people who are sanctioned by those who control the narrative of society and even if you have a do an MD or any type of certification by your name or you have a ged if you veer off just like those two doctors and California found out just today your opinion even if it's professional we'll be removed online even if you use the WHO even if you use the CDC even if you use firsthand accounts it doesn't matter what the truth is. It matters what the narrative and the narrative is feared before I ramble for too long. I want to see this. You know in California. I've been saying things based off of science. My background is in molecular biology genetics. Actually I'm not a doctor but my my understanding is in the mechanisms of immunology and pathology and I've read the paper. Since the beginning I thought I had coded back in December and everyone said your fool that was it was never in California. And then I'm going but seventy five percent. Asian Americans live in California most incoming flights from the Pacific Com San Francisco or Los Angeles. There was a weird disease that peaked in December. That wasn't pneumonia influenza. The doctors didn't know I was sick for six weeks at a mild fever. Coughing blood at one point. I thought it was going to die. I I'm pre existing conditions or with asthma. The doctors wasn't influenza. It wasn't pneumonia. Nobody knows what it was but it seemed to be viral. It went around the area. I know two people that died from it in December and all of a sudden the facts. Come out and go oh wait. It's actually been around for a lot longer. It's been in California and then myself in early February Glenn in February are saying by the way I read the papers. This looks like it's from a everyone goes you're a conspiracy theorist get that man off the Air D. monetize remove and then the US intelligence agency two months later goes. Oh just kidding. That's actually the truth. So the way I'm looking at it right now is like even if the curve is flattened even whatever the truth is we're not going to know about it for months out the line into the point here you know people need to realize that the truth and the facts that are coming out from Stanford or for USC from Miami Health from your public health are saying the fact that up to thirteen point nine percent of the US population that's randomly sampled has already showing their studies to contain the antibodies. Which means quite possibly and I hate to say this because I'm going to get some crap for this but the peak might have already happened in. This might even be a second resurgence. And because there's no vaccine and up to sixty four percent of people who are susceptible to mortality from. The flu are receiving the vaccine. It's it's already presumed that this being a novel Krona virus that it would wipe out a certain high rate of people but if the numbers are true and what we're seeing then people need to just calm down and accept the science but the science only matters when it supports the narrative but when it goes against it well then it becomes conspiracy and it's susceptible to be removed I feel like I was just taking a church. Amazing thanking of made out with me in Washington DC in February. After all that. And you didn't even get it. I was GONNA say maybe it's not just as as you think Coming up next. If it's passed by human to human contact right told me it was okay and one final point but before we before we move on to your point Elijah. You know I mean since the beginning of human history why we're constantly finding out. We're constantly evolving our knowledge on all different types of things especially when it comes to science. I mean you look at doctors who used to tell women. It was healthy to smoke while they were pregnant. Right you look at all of these medications that pass rigorous safety testing that all of a sudden were removed and taken off the market because all of a sudden someone had a hunch and they looked into it and it was determined that these medications were not actually safe. So you see things all the time that as we evolve as we get to learn more as we start science evolves or truth evolves or whatever. The case may be whatever the standard is. We're constantly learning more which means we should be readily accessible. We should have readily accessible information for new information right new knowledge and instead they're limiting that but when you're dealing with big tech that's just kind of the way that it is Hopefully that will change sometime soon. When we come back Civil Liberties Group Sousa Governor newsome for a ban on public protests. We've got Elijah the California expert for now With US coming up I want to thank our sponsorship. Oh so for ECOMMERCE businesses shipping in two days or less the new standard right. And if you're a growing business you've got to figure out how you can keep up so if you don't know about ship. Oh you have got to listen. This is going to be your businesses new secret weapon now ship. Oh it's the only ship. Oh it's the only shipping software for growing businesses. That you can start today you can set up in minutes and you can also ship something. The same day. They have volume discounts to save you up to ninety percent off of carrier rates. I know Chad you you ship all the time all the time. Every single day they're a lifesaver and this guy hawks so much merch. You wouldn't even buy 'em if you look capitalism there. I am right picture of Chad. 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The Center for American Liberty filed a lawsuit against California Governor Gavin Newsom four quote depriving Californians of their constitutionally protected rights of Free Speech Assembly and petition Because he effectively barred public protests through the enforcement of his. Stay at home orders Now Elijah you're you're the expert. You're actually living in California which I hear you Are Moving to Texas soon. Which I I don't know how you manage to stay in that hell hole for that long but we can't wait to welcome you with open arms but what so can you. Can you get into? Just how bad this has gotten in California with Governor Newsom? Yeah so you know when you go to sex ED when you're in in junior high or elementary school and they are going to show you the pictures of Like Mel Gigolos and prostitutes who have contracted STD's and you brace yourself because you go. I've heard the stories but to see it for myself. This is going to be sick and you're not wrong. It's disgusting and it sticks with you and I can see those images in my head and it's like living in California. I think that there's a lot of media that covers this but there's no better way to describe it unless you see it for yourself and you never forget the images and the feelings that come from living in a place that spits on. The constitution completely disregards the American ideal and looks at taxpayers as just incentives to line. Cr- politicians owned pockets not to mention the neglect of over sixty thousand homeless people. Just in my city two million illegal immigrants. That's may be calculated freeways that are falling apart and traffic. Where it's taken up to an hour to travel for miles to my producers house. This is definitely a very interesting state to be lecturing. The rest of the Union and right now Governor. Newsom has gotten to such a position. I want to point this out where he said he threatened. He said we had a hot weekend which was a little bit of light. It's the only one thing that we have here in California. That anyone can talk about is the good weather. If you're you know the M series if it's not if you can see past ten feet because of the smog. It feels okay. You don't know. Is that the exhaust from all the trucks or is that the sun's rays on my skin and and he said if you guys don't stop enjoying outdoors not ally he said. I'm going to extend the shutdown. I'm going to extend the stay at home motors. Not Because of science not because it anything but he said because you're violating what I said I'm going to put more restrictions in place unless you listen to me. It doesn't matter if the cities had their own ideas that counties had their own ideas if local politicians or people were were even at the beach avoiding each other. He said if you do not obey me. I'm going to threaten you with more restrictions and not to prevent the virus but just so you learn to obey me and that's where it's gotten in the state right now. Wow Chad that's terrifying. Well Okay so people always ask me when we're out doing live shows across the country throughout the year. What's the most supportive stater favorite place to go? Believe it or not we fifteen sixteen live shows in California all across the state every single year. They are my Mo- supportive state. They show up and they're the number one state in America for Agriculture. And tons of ranching out there. They're really good people with great values in California. It is a beautiful state from bottom to top. It is a gorgeous place They're getting screwed. They're getting screwed. And that's the thing we're starting to see across the country and Gavin. Newsom is certainly no stranger to this It's these governors who are trying to out dictate one. Another like who can show has the most authority and give that show of force. That is a gestapo tactic in. But when you look at Gavin Newsom you are looking at California mafia for lack of better terms. This is a this is an old California family. They are used to power. They're accustomed to it and he is no stranger to passing down his edicts from on high. On what the peons the peasants of California should do. Yeah Elijah you know I was just talking to my friend Jesse Kelly about about this. I mean like acquaintances. I guess he's all right We were demand with two first names so we were just talking about how you expect the left to take control and run with it. You expect them to overreach when it comes to abusing their power. You expect that from the left. But what's been interesting has been seeing all of these people who are on the right who call themselves conservative. Who Live and die by conservative values. Who all of a sudden if you say. I'm going to go protest governor newsom because I don't think he say at home orders are right. I'm going to go. You know. Go to the State Capitol and protest and you will have these conservative people. Tell you don't do that vs. Stay at home. Orders are for your own good and it's just. It's mind boggling to me to see these people who claim to be conservative who call themselves conservatives who live all of these other conservative values. Who have such a disconnect with the fact that you you should be able to question the people in authority when it comes to matters like these. Yeah it really does send a bad feeling down my spine to realize that all these online keyboard right wing warriors that are going to wage war and revolution. If you come take my guns and I'm going to sit back here I will. I will not close my church. Even if communism comes in and they outlined but by the way if a governor in your state whom you've never trusted and has never proven themselves to do any good for you tells you not buy a gun or to not go to church. You'll listen why not because of communism but because of a small little guy that's not even alive and I'm not to downplay the seriousness of of the virus Or to to spit on the graves of people who have died due to complications of it but it does make me wonder and think really. How far down have have we have? We fallen as a nation. I think we're in a lost empire because when we've abandoned a core value system and we've we've abandoned a common religion and we've even abandoned common ethnic practices. I know there's a huge swath of even conservatives that are all about free speech and stuff and they there's no American there's no American culture. There is okay and the left goes white culture. That's racism there's an American way of life and we've abandoned that for tribalism and what we're seeing here is not a country like World War Two. Who came together and goes what is good for the nation. What do we do? How do we sacrifice who should go to war? Who Stays home? It's like I gotta go by Sharman. Ultra left him a story. You know I go quick. And that is the product ultimately of of seeing a decades now of decay of a commonality in a common thread that brings us together. And so I'm finding that even though they're conservatives and therefore capitalism or whatever. It's not enough to hold us together. Because because they bought into the tribalism to there in the left versus right battle rather than the American battle and unfortunately for us. I don't know if we're past the point of return because those who I thought were our last hope looks looks like Opie one might not be as available as we once. Thought Chad. Last word on this is we're we look. This is a virus that has a recovery rate of ninety nine percent. Look how much freedom we've given up. How much liberty with given up all over virus with a recovery rate of ninety nine percent and I know there are people I have said to me today. Well you would bill that way if what if your loved ones not one percent. Okay well let me another stat. One hundred percent of us are going to die from something. Okay that doesn't mean I just stop living because one hundred percent of us are not going to recover from this thing called life. We're exacerbating a very sticky situation that continuing this nonsense Gavin newsom because my ass. I'm Governor Whitman. All I'm telling you. They dictators that is American. Tm I don't when we come back. Texas is reopening. We have the details on that back in a minute. Governor Abbot here in Texas announced yesterday. His plan to reopen the Texas economy So the statewide stay at home. Orders are going to expire on Friday. He's got this new plan. It's very similar to what we heard from president. Trump's corona virus task force Set in different phases. The first phase will be that Malls stores movie theaters and restaurants. May Open with twenty five percent occupancy They still have to maintain social distancing requirements but gyms hair salons massage establishments. Tattoo Parlors Bowling alleys. All of these random arbitrary designations will still not be allowed to reopen Outdoor sports like golf and tennis can again as long as they maintain social distancing But a lot of others cannot. This was something that the more that I looked into it the more that I read it at first I went okay. Good we're doing something and then the more that I looked into it the more that I read the fine print I went. Ra this is. I'm not thrilled with us. I'm not encouraged. By the fact that you get penalized if you do happen to be a bar owner you can't open but if you're a restaurant with a bar attached you can people can still get drunk in your establishment as long as they maintain social distance and guidelines. And you can still open if you want to operate at twenty percent occupancy but that's a whole nother question Chad what are your thoughts is an olive branch. But it's worthless it's not anything that really changes anything I go back to my earlier point. I let me go back. First of all to Elijah's earlier point where he said. You know we have this faith in humanity that is probably a whole lot bigger and better than the reality shows us and you're right on that but at the same time at what point in time do we say okay. You're Americans you have liberty you have freedom. We expect you to use responsibility. Are we really that childish with liberty that we can't you know I mean you face the facts? If you open up a restaurant they can only have twenty five percent capacity. It's going to cost them more money than it would be if they just stayed. Shut down so we know that there are local municipalities here in the Dallas Fort. Worth area who've opened up their PATIOS and people are waiting in lines for hours to get in there and it's one big middle finger so to speak. It's not that they were missing that food so much. It's just. They wanted to be there. They wanted to prove that. Hey we can go out and be in public I don't like it. This whole new normal mindset and I don't like new normal like it at all so that's I don't like it Elijah. You know we just talked about your about to You're about to come here. You're about to move here to the lone star state. Obviously we know we're better off than California. But what are your thoughts on Governor Abbot announcement. Well I've been violating social distancing guidelines. Almost as much. Joe Biden's been sexually violating young women as entire life and that it's a true statement. I just came up with that. One right now is pretty good. Yeah so so so that being said you know I I I understand hygiene. I'm seeing these suggestions. In California. For instance saying Oh don't touch Streetwalking buttons unless you use your your elbow and like Chad said it's like dude. I've been using my elbow to touch in his mind tire life. Because I realized that it's disgusting and so when you go into Texas I understand California having some more guidelines because unfortunately I think todd so that lot of Californians are great which they are but not Los Angelenos really actually just suck and more than just suck me suck some other things oftentimes and that being said with Teglas was holly when I when I when I see what's going on in Texas and I see this idea of treating adults like their babies and not expecting them to understand how to take care of themselves or to observe social distancing. It's almost the same argument that I see. Where liberals talk about guns. You know it's like we can't trust people to have guns. We can't trust them to give Johnny a chance to buy a weapon. He's probably GONNA kill US family. And it's like okay. That's not true. We know firearms. Don't kill people. People kill people and most people are not trying to murder their families that being said in the sense of a pandemic in these things most people are going to take decent precaution. They're going to go live to wash their hands. It's like if you washing your hands before you eight. That's better problems since you've been doing that and you know. And that's the point. The point being is that it's not about giving an olive branch anymore. The governor of New York needs to realize it's how much longer states are going to give into the national pressure which I actually disappointed in trump's handling this I really am and I'm going to be honest with that. I'm a big trump guy. I Love Donald Trump. I'm not one to really disagree with him on a lot but him listening to Dr Chee or Faouzi however you want to say it him dot com Dr Fallacy. Actually because he's got so many lies in so many inaccurate things he says but seeing that governor Abbot. Sort of still go. Well it's like I'm GonNa you know it's like it's like a- I'm going to be there and I'm going to open up my state in a way that makes it look like I'm the good guy but I'm clearly not doing it in a way that genuinely makes me a good guy. I'll give him some credit but remember even when you get an F. on a test there's still a fifty percent credit but an FCF. Yeah no chat. I completely agree with you. There that public perception you know he gets to come out and make this big grandiose statement that Texas is going to reopen. This is how we start our reopening and then you know we still have this arbitrary designation of essential versus non essential when you're talking about people who are out of work. There's what one point three million Texans who are currently out of work unemployed now. I'm pretty sure their jobs are essential to feed their family and also medical professionals. But I mean I've said it My wife She's now she's a nurse practitioner. She's now furloughed for the next month. We were flattened curve to not overwhelm the hospitals. There's there's not enough people in the hospitals. There's not enough test going on. There's not enough elective surgeries to support people's business in that case like the movie jaws The mayor says we got to open the beaches. We got to open the beaches. And Roy. Scheider the sheriff. He comes in and says there's a big shark out there. Nobody wants to be. That mayor says open the beaches and the kid gets eaten on the raft right. Nobody wants to be that guy. Everybody scared to do that. Somebody's gotTa have the Kony's to which by the way if you have big testicles they say that's a bigger carrier for the corona virus. I don't know if you've seen that or not but that's a but if you are brave enough to have Mahoney's to say okay. We're going to be America again. We're going to go out there. I love what you said a little while ago if we were talking about a raise of taxes on on T. and we fought a revolution over that. How much more are we willing to sacrifice for this? Because it's real all right coming up next. A new source goes public to corroborate the sexual assault claims against Joe Biden. We'll get into that when we come back. I don't think we have to be big test really so Tara Reid Tara. Reid came out with her accusations against Joe Biden. We've gone over them On the show and I just want to say these are again we? We'VE GOT A. We've got a preface this every time these are alleged situations. These are alleged details. That happened. We don't know that they are true. we will report them as they come out But certainly there is now more credibility to these accusations than there were for Supreme Court justice. Brad Kavanagh so Tara Reid came out. We just played earlier this week. Chad were you here when we played the mother who was on. Larry King Allegedly that was terrorists. Mother who went on Larry King in Nineteen ninety-three and verified that there was something that happened with a prominent senator Is At least what we know now? A former neighbor of terror read says that Came to her and talked to her about the accusation about what happened in the nineties. Now she did say I remember talking about it. I remember her saying here. Was this person that she worked for an idolized and he kind of put her up against a wall. He put his hand up her skirt. She felt like she was assaulted. And she really didn't feel like there was anything that she could do. She also said I don't remember all the details. I remember the skirt the fingers I remember. She was devastated and then she follows it up with. I personally am a Democrat very strong Democrat and I'm for Biden regardless but I still have to come out and say this you gotta wonder I mean if that's true and she is a Democrat and she is a biden supporter. There's really not much personal motivation for her. To come out and corroborate Tara Reid's claims at the time that they happened. Chad extreme political bias on either side is a mental disorder. It really is it manifest itself as a mental disorder. And that's the situation. We're seeing right there. You have these people out there who are wanting to sweep this under the rug it is. Let's get rid of trump at all costs no matter what but let me remind those of you on the left. You made the rules. You created the game. This is how the game is now played they crucified Brett capital. They investigation through the mud. They crucified him. They crucified trump on a daily basis. Look you created trump. You created the Playboy Donald Trump the billionaire the mobile the celebrity. You created trump okay and then you want to complain about the way he lived his life within your guidelines to be who you wanted him to be. So what are the rules anymore? You created them. Let's play by the rules. Yeah what are your thoughts on this? I have to always whenever we talk about this kind of stuff. I have to remember that I'm on an adult show program and I have to like I ca- your with adults or with adults. You've got to say things that are okay to say. Jesus is in the room but you I mean at least at least I was GonNa say at least we know that. Biden's working down there better than he's working. At least he's got something something functioning in his body still a put it lightly but but it's not. The game was different. I hate to say this and I don't want to be. I don't want to corroborate with this over extensive metoo movement that guy out of control but the fact that there was a lot of tolerated sexual misconduct in professional life is actually true and and specifically you have to look where the most corrupt people. It's D- even when you go there to this day. It's a toxic toxic district. It's really really really the people that are great people there but the The individual lives of politicians often are what are making our country corrupt. It's it's not necessarily the policies they put out in the public. It's surrounded in a place that promotes promotes cheating and promotes bribes. Doing whatever you can to get ahead getting doing whatever you can to get your way in a lot of politicians you realize that. They think that they deserve stuff. Why do they think they deserve your allegiance? Why do they think they deserve power? That's not just happening in the public spectrum. It's happening in the private world too demanding sexual favors from people and the ninety s there a narrative about stopping sexual assault and from a moron like Joe Biden who created helped create legislation for gun free zones. I'm not surprised if he did something like this but I also WanNa like Chad was saying I really do agree about this blind allegiance people. That are conservative. Always hate me because they go. You're not conservative enough and liberals always think that I'll write a really conservative postal. I thought you were a liberal point. Being I don't like these these random sexual assault allegations from thirty years ago. They didn't happen. But it's just bullshit. I'm sorry to say that I can't. I can't handle the fact that when people are coming out into these final positions. I believe people do believe women I believe. A lot of people have done terrible things in their lives and over the years but it's just too opportunistic to just go. My God like do we as everyone a sexual assaulter. Is Everybody got secret? You Know Murder Pot that they've they've conducted. I I just I just really think about it in my head and I go. I have to make some rules here. It's like if I think we have laws against this right. There's gotta be a certain amount of years before you report and by the way I want to. I want to enter this. I understand especially with people sexually assaulted as children who it takes them years and decades sometimes to come to terms with this. But YOU WANNA. This happens when you're an adult right. This is not your kid violated by an uncle or something and it took until you were forty to be honest with yourself because of insecurities or something and come out. Okay I get that but these are grown adults. And if you can't handle that it's like thirty years later we've got to have some reason to say you've got to come out to set a certain time earls. It's just too long in the past for us to know if it's true or not. Yeah all right all good points gotta take a break. We'll be back yesterday's poll. If Joe Biden wins in twenty twenty who will really be running the show in the White House. Forty percent of you said his vice president followed by thirty seven percent who said corn pop so I can see the took this poll very very seriously. Let's move on to. Today's poll will any mainstream media network ask Joe about the sexual assault allegations against him or will we have to wait for trump to bring it up in the debates? I don't know which one I prefer But let us know what you think you can go to the blazes twitter that is at the blaze before we go. Don't forget Elijah. You can find him on Youtube. You could find him on. Tv It is slightly offensive with Elijah. Shafer he does these awesome it on the streets video alleged. 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It's phenomenal show comes out every morning. One last thing reminder that today's episode of the show contains language that may not be suitable for all audiences so listener discretion is advised. Enjoy instinct in life on this. Wednesday may twenty seven two thousand and Twenty Logan. Everyone welcome back to the program as always we are presented by most Delo both Delo. Oh s best rude for those with a fighting spirit and let me tell you. My friends today feels like a Monday. Because we have as superstock lineup of the pod an a plus lineup and eight plus plus all-star lineup. If you will a lot of you've been asking me like what's going on what's happening you know. Are you at home? Or you're at the studio basically. This is kind of a group that we've settled into. Let Me Tell Ya. I liked this group Mondays. Dc and how do you get the best deal and Emma may going back and forth? Who's been doing it for almost three months out. And it's a blast Wednesdays kind of a mini version of what you've come to expect from Monday's but it's not really all that many as you can see by the length of today's shown the names on today's show still giving you the biggest name this kind of switching it up a little bit and I like this switch a little bit of a reset if you will trying new things out. I really liked where we're at right now. So today on the shows instead of the top we're going to be joined by Francis and gone you. We're GONNA talk to him about what's going on with Johnny bones fight. There's been some talk of him fighting. Dillion white the heavyweight boxer. What's happening here because they teased us. And then it went away and so I'm very curious to talk to the man himself Francis in Ghana. We will also talk to or Hey Mazda. What's going on with the Kamara. Who's been fight? What's going on with you know Kobe. Comington leaving. Att What's going on with all these things he's been in the news. Does he really want to fight the as for a second time? What are the negotiations? All about mom talking about Conor McGregor. It's been a crazy time in Muslim for a while was doing a lot of interviews. Now he hasn't as of late since the first time I talked to him in quite a bit and I think you'll enjoy the conversation also spoke to the aforementioned Kobe Comington will talk about why he left. Att What's his future. Look like. When's he coming back? Who's he fighting next? The Woodley fight this weekend all that and more in a revealing interview with Kobe. Coming but first. Let's talk to the man who will be headlining the. Us's returned to Las Vegas on Saturday. He's going up against Gilbert Burns. We haven't seen him since March of two thousand nineteen when he lost his belt Kamara. Who's man he is the Chosen One time? Woodley and he has a few things to get off his chest as well. Here's that conversation so I'm curious because it's it's all very new right. This is the first event in the midst the pandemic in Las Vegas. You checked in several hours ago. What does the experience been like so far you know. He's just kind of like the Zombie Apocalypse. Who Will you just walk in there? Everybody got a mass gloves. You Walk Right in. The first thing they do is shake temperature before you can even go anywhere. They are swabbing. You checking you for a note the Cronin's so is kind of refreshing taking all these measures to make sure say in I think they're doing the best that they can. As far as like I think they the standard at that think. They rented out the whole tail. So that no other guests can come in and we can just basically be secluded so You gotTA appreciate that and I'm just here to fight man. You know a situation where we didn't even have hotel room while I was bay me. We didn't address some Rome. We have out there fall so you can't just get so comfortable all the bells and whistles in accommodating things is really just a fight you get the sense that Las Vegas as a city like when you let it just Kinda went to the hotel but is it all very quiet very eerie around you you know is more quiet than normal but to be honest my act was kind of acts like a saying. I literally was on a flight were Roles at three people wrote what's of my time and I was. You know a long time had to grab my staff so to make sure no. I'm sitting next to me but It was like two or three passengers away from the Evan abors. Okay and so when you checked in I understand they they made you guys do the swab tests right. Yeah so the you swab to temperature did. The antibody tests the finger the finger s yet. But that's was week. We did the swab in actually the swamp that we did. This was not the nasal slot which I hear the we did like a throat. Swab which is supposed to be less abrasive. So I didn't get a chance. You READY FOR RYAN. I walked in there was a temperature. Are Right there ready for you. So I was like mentally separate adults future my brain but luckily enough to have and then you can't leave your room now until you get the results right. Yea CAN'T LEAVE? I I had to. I had to go do some other bloodworks. I guess so the mother. Dang so just to be able to fight so do those things but I got to them on the mascot or go to all these precautions but we have to stay in our role. We can't leave. We can't leave the premises unless we get permission and if we do I believe we have to get tested again. Wow now what if you want to work out? I mean right behind me in a in a room across the way his Rome they used to be someone would stay renounce like alumna says Woodley sold like as a whole is like a work. Run dislike all chat performance a workout room. So I think most find have they'll work. Wow that's amazing and you could be there with your team. That's pretty good. You had your own private room not bad. Osso so far. You're impressed with the way things are going. So far as definitely as network. I wanted to get like a little portable sounder lamenting there in a year. We can't really go to the Pi yet. But I think we'll be able to tissue Cardio may demand okay now for things like that right. This has been crazy time because you were the first event that was canceled ready yet. The march fourteenth event in Europe. I you were. I mean literally hours away from going to London to finally on Edwards March Twenty First. And then everything stopped. How would you describe the last two and a half months of your life because there was the stops and starts from this event? You're closer literally fight week and gets pulled out from you. How would you describe mentally and physically? How you've dealt with it. All you know it was a roller coaster to be honest. And you know I literally flew to L. A. Grab a couple of things. I was flying out of. La To go to the U. K. To Go to London and act my doorstep was about a door in I was three or four hours away from being on the flight like two hours away from driving their four hours with Massey taken off the La is a hey wait wait you bring in a car to us in then. They told me that no Leon was gonNA come to the US than eight called me back and said Leon doesn't feel comfortable coming to the US. So who do you WanNa fight a night? Well Shit All. I'm thinking about right now right. Mizzou neighboring asked me like two or three days for fights about that while I didn't necessarily you know. Rda name came up. Kobe name came up. Gilbert birthday came up in Gilbert seems very excited to find because you hit a on one five he was already shape. Ari. Ed is lowered. So that's the only reason why he really got this fight. Just because he was willing to step in at that moment no to be honest I feel as if I should probably fighting for the title or should be fighting Kobe or something like that is a dangerous arly is it just made me re reconfigure three or four times and. I just want the positive and everything. I was out in Thailand at a great training camp out there. Boom I was going back to Thailand. Guess what I couldn't fly out anymore so then I look to my lesson to disguise had a great town. New Downer Madhouse. Then I'm going back to St Louis to candidate pronounce fight early. April car. Didn't have it so I just kept training and one thing. I got credit Mentalities spiritually grew much in Thailand. That I was sound mind in me and my son was trying to do it. All running conditioning flipping shaping up the bags in the got. Noticed that you know I may fall my trainer Dean Thomas Joke Sixteen hours to Missouri. Sixteen hours so we can keep it in it. I wanted to make sure I was in shape when he got there. So I make sure more cardiovascular say as being the hell out of the bag conditioning in we just picked up off finish up in Atlanta taper off our Himalayas session. Saturday and I just felt good for ready to go Did it take some time to get motivated for Gilbert? No disrespect to him. He's not those names that you mentioned right in in your use to fighting fighting in title fights for the last few years you're fighting big names. Gilbert's on a roll but he's one of those classic opponents who super top maybe isn't a household name just yet Take some time to come to terms with the fact that you were fighting him to get motivated for fighting someone like that. I mean Leeann never sued the same thing though you know we really think about it. So in essence I was really. I was really motivated for the performance. House really motivated to go out there and perform because you know fight even if I can call year fighting use meeting in those guys weren't the names whose turn out the fighting because Koby wouldn't take it because Kobe take guilt. Got The fight. Because Leon couldn't come to the country so it was all domino. Thanks so for me is not really about the Division right now if this connor fight or nay bs fight or something like that now the person that has more name recognition myself now that Vases try to catch US OF THEIR FANS. Become a great motivating factor. But this in this situation is really is really just took form as it's out. We look at your burns his manager. Those are fun fact Gilbert snide in three at odds are don't ever compare to mind. I'm not at three against world class fighters. I've never lost. Somebody wasn't a world champion or wasn't award title Challenger that's facts look at my resume. J. cheerios Roy McDonnell Comorros Marquardt so will you? Will you try to air victories? You've had wins and losses. They're not comparable because equality owners are not even the same stratosphere not to discredit them. You name it might really. I never seen backup beyond like I think it was like Neymar. Somebody knocked model time ago. But he had never willing to stop because he persistently so pressed. But that's not act like this. The Damian There was motivated if I Amazon. So Damian might motivate motivated. Fight me. it was a day my they knew he has one more fight left. He's fighting basically to keep his credibility to keep his lenny's for his academy in the show. You that old man can still fight. So that's the day might you and I wrote a book on how to beat her. And after that code you the NAFTA DEAD also no. I'm the one that showed you guys the blueprint or how to beat them. So I'm not discredited my nose with a lot of our One thing I do remember I didn't always have you know if I call US Hannibal. He was one that was ten. They call us shouldn't certified his me in at the end of the day. I note that hunger other fighter than knows he writes. He's in the talks. He's in the mix and if you can knock off a big name like me the he's right there not so. I know that hunger so that's kind of what I train more for the hunger low for my performance less who years less than what he's done because if you just look at all the UFC promotion on. I got do is put a picture by on me. Don't forget this. Remember the power they gotta do it entire rights and start peace. They're introducing them the fans. 'cause I don't know who is the main so at the end of the day I'll go out there. Have a great performance. You'll go out there and do his best Abbott forms as well. You'll get you know will lose or draw he wins. He's never gonNA lose this fight. I can knock him out silly. He was in the world champion. Me I gotta go out there and I gotta do something spectacular. So that's only we wanted to situation. I'm fascinated by this matchup for two main reasons number one. We haven't seen you since March of last year. Your fight against Comoro and so you're always interested. At least I am to see how a champion rebounds from his last loss eludes the Bella. You WANNA see how he gets back on track but with you. You've been so honest about that. Time in your life about a lot going on professionally personally distractions a lot on your plate right the album. You had a lot going on and that maybe it was a little bit too much and so I'm curious. Can you tell the People? What is life like for you now? What kind of time? We're going to see on Saturday. In the sense of like in terms of the distractions in terms of the other stuff that are going. I'm not trying to say those are bad things necessarily but you know when you got a lot on your plate. You've got a lot on your plate right. So how full is your play right now. You know my my play right now is very is very monitored in not only myself with my family and also Dean Really Kinda step in and basically say you know. We're GONNA do this for we're not GONNA do. And as you said those things bad things you can only fight for so long. Been Idiot to to box myself into work Adegoroye. Just Pfizer's fight. That's what people that are watching me. Say People that are actually out there like the Jaycees of the words just doing liquor doing you know clothing lines or rap record companies. Those different forms of art in nobody thought he could even rat. I was watching the interview. Ninety six was Jay. Jesse was terrible as worth a billion dollars not because he just wrapped he utilize every guy gave him so. I don't regret any of that to be quite frankly to quite honest I was doing horror stepping. I DARE CHILL THAN ANYBODY. And that was the best of my life. You know like I literally was doing things up into the day before the Joe. I dropped the song by personal risk elite phone that day. So will you look? We look at what I've done. In the sport I think I've facilitated so much chaos in. I thought I needed to operate because with the idol. Tyrod by just never did well with either on my did she should never been doing but now personal life is back intact me mentally. I'm back in taxpayer. She back at Turned down a lot of stuff. That's a Lotta movies outta commercials of you know of opportunities a I got a whole album that I'm working on oposite. You're a lot of fifty percent said Oposite only thing. I really did was Idea the Titan Games because I was in Atlanta I was training and it was a great opportunities word side inside with with rock in. It was freaking exhaustive. So I kind of treated like shrimp conditioner workout. So that's the only thing idea with everything on the back burner. When did you tape that then? Okay for how long about a week or so okay. What timing that this comes out? It just debuted while you're about to fight right now so debut in as well to fight but you know always carefully on hours in even on the show. I had to make choices like I wanna do very well edited. I got an actress tonight Twelve hours they had to run in the morning and I would. Li said go to the gym at eleven o'clock at night just to make sure that I was being honest because I did. What once again the outside days because because thinking about this. I've been doing something for fifteen years. I'm going to be better at that. I want to make more money at that and I'm going to a bitter reputation. I'M GONNA have my feet in a little bit more than everything else is three years two years one year five years. So of course. I'M NOT GONNA be as around it. I'm not going to be at a championship. Ludwig US again. Or acting commercials production. I got booked. I got three gigs. Were got book to Executive Produce by Big Netflix caliber. Stuff that it'd be something new for me. People don't know I'm always working but I had to think about. I saw the end of my career. I when I started this area saw the end but in my area on the night area on the knees Williams for the rams Famer he says. Start the beginning with the end in mind so when I first started I saw myself as a greatest welzer myself. You wanted to best fighters only reason. Why did I never did it to make it to use? Never did it to be one of the guys and never did it to be a world champion. I did it to be the S or people talk about the division. I want them to think about me first and then everybody else. So that's not. That's not what happened is I'm not gonna go out like that. I mean so now I gotta go on two freaking spree is just remind people what I made of remind him who the hell I am. What I've done what I'm GonNa do to you so that's of where I'm at mentally I'm just real quiet right now. I know people talk in. Everybody WanNA fight. Everybody WanNa do whatever is made a couple of days. I gave some day but right now why because I'm quiet a violent in every time I've lost by next fight been a knockout and I'm not saying I'm gonNA knock him out. Look looking my statistics. I lost today. Markwort J. Heroin Freakin Jake shears and it was Kasha. But I lost McDonald in Dungannon Kim. So I've shown that I'm GONNA be resilient I'm to bounce back and I'm GonNa make you forget about the last performance. Does this feel like the start of a new chapter in your career and also being that it's you know it's it's happening when you're thirty eight. Does it feel like perhaps the final chapter the beginning of the final chapter of your career. If like he's definitely a new chapter I think it's one more chapter after this one because I really wanted to do damage my division but I've been having dream than visualization. It'd be fighting at one eighty five and I just can't see those guys. They're not fascinated me. They don't punch hard me. I walk around you know. I'm not really disciplined. Walk around near two or five anyway. So I think that'd be my final chapter spending my last moments Midway but I do feel this is the tyrant that I haven't seen in a very long time. This is a tyrant that was an amateur fighter. One of trying to make his debut the one that was really just trying to be in shape. Anytime anybody in time and. I'm glad he's back. No everything. Talk about nutrition. I'm talking about from should conditioning. Cardio sparring grappling wrestling. The mentality the block now If somebody wants Function to me hanging up. I mean I mean evaporating I'm not even addressing it because at the end of the day it will have no minds base on. My mind is only set on greatest. I mean I could. I could sleep a little bit more. That's why I got Melatonin for 'cause I'm thinking I'm trying to do sheet. I mean so if that's the only thing that I've had to worry about this cat to take my sleep. It's been a pretty good cap. There's a lot of drama right now. The one seventy pound division especially at the top with men and Mazda Dolan Connor now in the Mexican and Nate D. as Colby and Leeann Edwards do feel like all right. All you guys are talking. I'm not GONNA say anything. Come Sunday morning. I'm right back in that picture and you have to recognize me. I'm GonNa mess everything up. Is that the mindset. I mean they they are recognized. They all know why they all know what I'm capable love. In the reason why they don't talk about miseries while loosens not talk about fighting me. He him conversation through text message conversation he no. That wasn't me that night. He say. Look forward to fighting tower. I'm one hundred percent you know. It wasn't me. He knew nine out of ten times on earth he would never had their performance against me at fifty percent so connor. Don't talk about fight music. They don't talk about. Fight me in all these guys talk about fighting me. They notice a win. Win Situation. Leeann news you lose the time on the okay. Will you lost one of the greatest time you don't fall back that far back in line but if I lose beyond hours Like Kay. I'm always the back of the line you look at. We were birds. Y'All got a big knockout against a Maya but like look his losses at a lucid. Somebody again hooker. Also world class people so at the end of the day they're talking and I'm preparing and I think the biggest thing you can make your actions speak louder than words often show me say but my mom's say amount the saying a show so when I go out there and I showed them they still talk about five years. You already know that. That's to be fact they're not gonNA talk about fighting. Of course we want to fight conor CONNAH's not a welterweight. Nate's not a welterweight. Anthony pedestals a two-way couples. Surani is not a wealth away. These are lightweights Bigger paydays at a higher weight. That's all it is a common at one forty five in his life. That person is not a welterweight. You probably walks around hundred eighty bucks so at the end of the day now. We're talking about Gaza. Corny gathered are doing what they think should be said. Leon Leon can never talk. I never went back awash the full video the backstage the backstage they will Mazda. I went back to Washington. Tire thing. Rupp if you washing his never talked shits nobody ever again. You are completely muted for light. You'll permanent timeout. While from nobody walk around the streets safely. If that happened to me it will be a problem off. The top of the he literally should not ever be able to say anything after he got done like that in the backstage. And then MAS would went off had the greatest. You're out of every fighter. Twenty nineteen in now united even in the the breath. T talk about fighting. You know what I mean. That's the biggest capital seen in a long time. Give Burns like give burns a tough fighter. He is great submission. Great knockoff. Our in it makes them comfortable because he can. He can go for recklessly because he no Now or if he gets taken down he can rely on his you but he is not fighting. Somebody like me. I got third overall takedown defense in the history of our sport and I got some of the heaviest heads you'll ever hit his face and I'm fascinated him arms longer than is in. I'm not scared to take taking out like nothing to submitted me run. I don't I don't care who you I'm not those guys. If I want to get a takedown with him on the back if I want to knock them not come out on a make him get tired of. I'm GONNA make Qatar. Has You haven't thought of before none of the none of the UFC welcome. Welcome to let these firearms be like an just curious Perfect scenario for you. You went on Saturday. You feel like you'll you'll be offered a title shot or do you feel like you'll have to win a couple before you're back in that conversation as no way there's no way somebody is one five world titles in the bell in historically is one of two people told as as one forward advice in a year me. John should have to fight three fights before they get another shot at the throne Will be unprecedented but in once again been a Minnesota exceptions made broke a lot of broke ladder records and made a lot extension. That we've never seen before. I think the the manor which I win Saturday as big big factor. I think the way I carry myself after that just being willing. I think you get rewarded in. Ufc for be willing. If you're willing to fight a last minute notice if you willing to take on somebody may not have the neighbor mission and I think this is the fight in a positive direction evenly. I never was a fight of positive direction. These are Pfizer would have never been off. It's Kinda McGregor would have never been offered to around the roster. Never been off to someone. Has Such a rain in those guys. Didn't the every defendant Iran? Defendant a few times but just think of being offered a fight of count. It wouldn't have had so I think. Be taking these fights you going out. There may be a focused kind of being a little quiet. You let my work speak for me. I just want to pay big dividends and I think if not this fight made me one more and just curious. How do you feel about fighting in an empty arena? Love going too far. I'm nasty as far as I think. I think it's going to be good for me. I don't have to worry about the hype boozer yells in always doing walk through before the fight. Day The fight going to God. I do walk through. Walk through the whole fight. Imagine arena loud screaming blowing every element going right. Every element were wrong in make the atmosphere and then when I walk out there I hear anybody so now. I'm basically right back to square one so the walkout that I did. I'm used to it. I'm useless farnum. Used to talk militia Octagon he's GonNa be used to it. I'm used to you know making people miss big and taught him a little bit and this is why I feel like this is the best doing no no crowd there in. Everybody's going to be able to hear. I think about gauge those punches sound is loud because of what there was audience gravity of it so it was like a hollow arena argue hers as she she his. Saturday last question for you tiring I'm wondering if in your mind I. I know that you feel like that. Wasn't the real tiring against tomorrow. I think most people have watched. Your career would agree with that but you feel like you can only fully put that night to bed to rest until you beat. You'll burn your next fight or is that fight already to bed to rest. Did you do that a long? Time Ago You know I'll put it to bed because that fight caused me more than just lost like I mentally was fucked up for a long time. I like I'm going to see a counselor. Well I never thought I was going to lose. I some people say that but in my mind my last loss was last loss. I never envisioned anybody Division beaten so. I didn't understand what happened at that point in my career I have felt like at that was one of the first house while I felt like I was being promoted. The right way promoted as champion. I really feel like there and like you few interviews ago. I should've knew better man. Does that mean it should? It felt weird to me and I had to deal with it on a more personal issues than I did from a fight so this fight does nothing for now like Oestmann all time it is in like DC. Say when. I'm focused on scary and I miss focuses I've ever been my entire professional career imus focuses as young amherst. They you should go to the hit squad and train Robbie lawler than it cane. John Fishing caution. Nobody knew where I was like. Whoo Fox's kid boss around like a Jack Rabbit that's entire right here. I don't think nobody see that's not nobody at welterweight. I don't think nobody middleweight can compete with what I bring the table. Too Much Diversity. Too much experience too much affliction just from just from pass. You know what I mean all the bullshit and now take it out on somebody and I don't have to stress this weekend. I love it. I can't wait to see you back and by the way I'm wondering will they let Mama Woodley in at the apex? Or does she have to stay. Mahmoud is going to be able to get it. She's going to be there. I'll know she's going to be with the rumor. Says Momma wasn't going to come in on is a heaven annual in can stop. So let's see it's it's it's not a turn fight without Mama Screaming Instructions Kate Side. Wherever she may be she will She'll be doing so. I appreciate you doing this Mike. Good luck the rest of the week. Luck with the way cut and of course. Good luck on Saturday thinking by thanks to Woodley for his time I gotta say I like what I'm hearing a big story. Coming out of that fight against tomorrow was that he was too distracted too much on his plate. He wasn't focused. I feel he's focused. And even though he's thirty eight I still feel like Woodley. Has One more big run left in them. It starts on Saturday against Burns. Whose looked really good. As of late has won. Seven eight is very dangerous. Coming up that great. Win Over Damian Maya but if he can win this fight and get back on track. I still think time. Will these a player at one seventy so we shall see? Now another guy was player. Seventies Koby Comington before we get the him. Let me tell you about our good friends over at Modell modell. Oh s best. Y'All I mean who doesn't love modell on the support that they give us. 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Spirit troops possibly greer imported by chronic boards. All right now. Without further ADO my conversation with Colby Comington as he reveals for the very first time in this exclusive that he is gone from American top team. Enjoy it to be joined by Coby once again colby. It has been two and a half or so months since we last talked in. If you don't mind I'd love to break down the fourth wall here for a second We didn't talk for a bit. And then all of a sudden I see all these reports online that you've been removed from the American top team website. All this stuff all this drama the weight division. So I shot you attacks Yesterday afternoon seven or so hours later I get a reply and you say that you have some things that you want to get off your chest. So we'll do that today but first off let me ask you how are you doing? I just WanNa Sam Dune Gray. It's an honor to be back on the show aerial and I just can't thank you enough for being the enemy. Journalists of the decade always giving me a platform manner. It's truly honored to be here with you today. And just to be able to speak to your mind. This is A. It's it's a dream come true. All right well thank you Kobe. I appreciate that. So what is going on because all of a sudden? I'm seeing all these reports that you've been removed from the American top team website. Are you no longer affiliated with that team? All that is correct. I'm affiliated with cold becoming tended incorporated as of now on my own team. You Know Dan. I love Dan Dan. Lambert is still a great friend to me. His Mentor He's he's A. He's a second father to me. Dan Lamborghini opportunity. I can't thank him enough you know. He's good people but it's time to move on. Everybody knows all good things. Come to that. I feel like that's there. You know I was there for ten years. I started my journey there at American top team. And you know we went to the top number has everything he's got. Ufc belts he's got WC belts. He's got pride belts he's got. Wwe belts but you know what I feel accomplished as a fighter there and being able to do something that he's never done before I was able to take him to the White House so I feel like I feel my dad's and we had a great run together. But you know it's time to move on you know it's it's you know we're evolving. We're growing in just like the saying Goes Ariel. The sunset sunrises. The Caterpillar turns into the butterfly. Okay so I guess you're the Caterpillar. Turning into the butterfly So let me ask you. When did this happen? When did this go down You know you have to stay Lambert about that I. I can't really recall when it went down but I can that Yeah it was pretty recently. It was pretty recently but I know you're the journalist is a decade so I'll let you do your journalists working in journalism at find out the inside scoop but you know I just. It was the best thing that could ever happen. You know I was sick of all the providers making this millionaire. Dan Lambert like put him in a tough situation. Like they're coming Hin Joanna. Dustin George protect their precious little feelings. Oh Kobe such a curse. All he says me things about me Kigoma Blah. Hey guess what I'm gonNA I'M GONNA team no more I might. I'm not gonNA teammate. I'm not your roommate. George now under your Daddy I give you a fucking stake in. So if you've got some say don't go to. Dan Remember crying grown up in adult. You're a grown adult professional fighter and you're going to another grown adult WHO's a successful businessman. Dan Member and you're crying about your precious little feelings own way win. So were you asked to leave or did you decide to leave on your own. It was time to leave man. I just I felt bad pitting Dan in that situation area just I like for months literally US coming to me do manual. Put me into that situation. You know everybody wants out. Then you're making the Jin uneasy and I didn't WanNa do that a man. I don't WanNa make his life tougher than it already is here. He has enough on his plate. So I feel like it was the best for me to move on. Find some other coaches other partners in. Go about my business. Holly go about my business. You know the biggest thing area is that we're in America. Are we not entitled to our own opinions? Don't we have free speech? But didn't Dan like institute a rule where he didn't want the teammates talking about each other. Yeah exactly so. That's that that's his role next their business. But we're in the whole becoming Tim Business area. I'm not in the business. I'm not in the American top business. I'm a professional cage fighter. I'm in the entertainment show business and I'm in the money making business. I'm not in the feelings business so you know it's just humid implemented rule by man. You can't tell I'm GonNa American area. You can't take away my rights. That's my constitutional right of freedom of speech. If you take that away you know. That's not fair and David the move on it and pan moves on and you know it's for the best you know. I'm very happy with things. Have how things are now and how things went down. And there's no ill-will ill will towards Dan Lambert. I love that guy. He's leaving the mentoring a and you know we did some things together. We didn't impact wrestling angle. We went to the White House. We did things together that no one will ever be able to do with them. And I'm proud. I'm proud that I was able to to bring those accomplishments Dan. So this is really big news. Because you've been a fixture there for so long for context. Do you remember when you joined. I joined directly when I got out of college. They called me up in there like they wanted to bring me out after call dressing To send him down. Got Me a house you know. Put me on. You know a stipend for food every week and this was probably two thousand. This was in two thousand eleven nine years ago. Now I believe I mean. Certainly you've been there longer than Joanna. You've been there longer than Dustin whore. Hey I'm not sure. Do you know if you were there before. Him Will the thing about this. Is that the funniest you know is a thing of George you know he started Jim he started at. Ffa Freestyle Fighting Academy no Louisiana. Joanne started in Poland somewhere. You know so you know. I'm thankful that I was able to start my career there and and I was never at another gym in only reason I had deleted his. Because you know just odd too much drama regimen S. Not what I WANNA do. I don't want to bring drama to a grown ass successful businessman's life. You know I WANNA go about my business. It's my business so you know. I think George had been there about two years longer than me. He was a he. He went method. American top seed. I guess what I was getting it was. Did you ever get to the point where you said? Look I've been here for almost ten years. Why do I have to leave? No because at the end of the day you know it's just a building you know. It's just the gym. And you know I just so bad for Dan you know putting him in that situation and it's his Jim you know it's his decision you know. And that's what life's all about decisions and he made a decision. I made a decision. He made his decision to implement that rule that trash talking alcee. But I don't think that should be a real area honestly. Is this a team business? This is an individual business. Go out there no. I can't tag anybody and be like. Oh I tag. You're gonNA come from you now notes individual you finding there by ourselves so it's individual business and I'm getting locked in the cage by myself. I want to do in business. I don't want telling me someone telling me how to do business like X. not fair and that it's American do regret anything that you said or did over the past couple of years that led to this not at all not not one bit you had no regrets and and I feel like this is the best thing that could ever happen. You know this is. This is my chance to grow into a ball and become better from it and it just gave me more motivation at this. You know I'm happy. This is a blessing in disguise for me and I never said anything. That wasn't was unethically wrong. You know I said a lot of choice. Areas within true is neck. I don't come out and say blatant lies. Some of these guys you know. I'm coming with lot truth but sometimes the truth is too hard to handle aerial. We know the truth. You know all these snowflakes. They can't take it when when things were getting really hot like several months ago. You're about to fight for the belt and there's a lot of back and forth between you. Hey and the other members of the team and I've asked you this question but now that you're you're no longer affiliated I'm wondering if your response is different. Was it ever uncomfortable there for you? Did you ever feel unsafe? Did you ever feel unwelcome? I can't imagine what it would be like. I know a pretty big place but it's still just a place. It's a building as you said you're gonNA see these guys. Was it ever a little weird uncomfortable for you there? It was never weird uncomfortable for me because I know I'm the best side in the world knowing comestible needs so every day that George will come into the Jimmy. Start creating a drama and Ruckus yelling from across gym pool. B A mess you up. I'm like let's go Rhino George. Let let's journeyman. You WanNa do something. Come do it. Stop Stab yelling across the gym. China make a scene having older coaches pulling back. You Really WanNA fight. Let's fight man. That's what Simon Osborn fight. But that's the thing about George dusted. Joanne didn't WANNA fight. I mean girl so obvious. Fight Her Georgia best and that's a whole nother story. They WANNA THEY WANNA cry Dan. They WanNa talk about or win. We will do talk all Jim. Fight man they they. They don't WanNa find me. They know deep down inside area. What happened the last ten years? Let me just tell you it was like finding an amateur profession. I mean let's be honest. George he can't read he can't spell he can't right. I mean let's be we honestly who definitely can't fight so you know I wanna know what's up with Jordan's Wisey hold not why is not fight. Newsmen this waiting for me as you. Wait for America's ship that people from Miami State fighter for Donald Trump favorite fighter. Hobie chaos. Covid this I what's gone on okay. Well we'll get to that in the second but I just WanNa ask you one more thing about this situation. Not that long ago posted on your instagram. A picture of you in dust and it seemed like you guys made amends. So what was that all about? That was me just respecting. You know the rules that were in place at the time but you know gloves off now. You Know Dustin do this for a you know he he wanted. He wanted direct. This complaints. His that's all they do. Is THEY COMPLAIN IN THEIR? Ultimate feelies champions. They're not ultimate. Fighting Shift is the ultimate Felix Champions. And they're going to Dan. They're complaining will guess what the Head of the complaint apartment is not deliberately more. The head of the complaint department is toby contigent. Let me let me talk to your complaints to kill become fought click. So are you still living in Florida? Will you still call Florida? Homeowners will be where you train as well. Yup Florida stem united. Still residing three five. I'm still the king at three hundred five Iran Miami streets. George knows that so you know. Miami's my home. I'm not going anywhere I'm not. I'm not moving my life just because someone made a decision and I made a decision. It's it's a new opportunity. And there's great fighters in great coaches down here great trading partners. And you know I have a great business. The Colby Kinda take cooperated flout multiple training partners in coaches in. I'm going to get the best looks around. You're going to see a growth. You're GONNA see something you've never seen me before. Ariel my next fight in the world's going to be shot. I can't wait to get out there in Austin but bright lights again so now. Where's your gym air? You know we can't talk about that one. I got coaches coaches okay. Why is that a secret? I mean I feel like you're actually being very revealing right now. Why is that the one that you can't reveal because I don't come pan? We'RE NOT? We're not talking. We didn't come here today. Talk about that talk about how much I respect. Dan Remember. You know how much you know how much I'm thankful for our time together. We went to the White House Museum in Oakland Dana. Good Times I'll never forget that but they're still one thing left that I promised Dan Lambert in that's to bring him Mardi fake news head you know. He promised me he be at the next night with. Mardi fake been front row and I would deliver him his head so you know. I gotta do that for Dan. Lambert is obviously. Dan knows deep down inside. Or He's not do a form or a socks in a he's not gonNA fight him for a or B is GonNa get his Ashley and he's going to get rid Lynch Lynch so Dan downside chance of beating Mardi Fake News. Getting his head is through me. So we're still friends that's my boy so okay so I understand. You won't tell me where the gym is. Could you tell me who your your coaching? Staff is That to yet that come out and ten area got to be patient. Eh. Good thing save time and just good. Things came to an end. Things take time to develop. Things are being put in place in putting a lot of hard working behind the scenes in anybody. That isn't believed that I'm in the best chance to win right now. They're going to be surprised in the next flight. So would it be fair to say that you're not joining another team based in Florida? You're kind of doing this. Sort of like a boxer per se where it's just team Kobe. Covington in you're going to have your own staff at your place in. That's pretty much like you're the the focus of all the attention yet. That's exactly right area. You know this is a Kobe Covington INC now you know. I'm not affiliated with any jamming affiliated with the Kobe Covington business were in the ultimate roaring the ultimate money making business wearing the the ultimate fighting championship. There's no feelings here you know. There's no complaints here Thank you could say whatever you want freedom of speech freedom of opinion do whatever you want but don't get your feelings hurt when you're a precious little cage fighter and so you moved on at this point even if they asked you to come back if they said let's make amends you're done with a T. Yeah I'm I'm down with. Att You know we had A. We had a great run wild last but it was time to move on. You know the sunset sunrises you know it's a new chapter this is a area. It's been a great story we've had together in. Its it's always a new. Chapter in the comes is time to turn the page and this new page is the best one yet and we're just getting started. You haven't seen the best will be chaos. Covington yet. I'm just excited to to show everybody real me and not be able to hold anything back. Not the end censored unfiltered me. I get to show the real me I get to dial back up and get aerial. Tell me what to do so you felt like you were being held back because of this rule that was instituted. Yeah I mean it definitely was hindering me little bit it it. It didn't allow me to be me. what's coming to the dancing. What got me here. That's by just not care what people think not care about people's feelings you know. Just just want them out my business because at the end of the day. This is my business. I'm only when it's getting locked in the cage. You're not coming to the cage will be you know you're not getting paid. You're not you're not the one ask negotiate with you have seen in your set. You've got your money life. You can do whatever you want the rest of your life so you know. I just I feel like yeah. Held me back and now I have the best opportunity to be me it showcase really am and I promessi. I got some really juicy stuff coming area in one last thing on all this I know that you Dan were business together. As far as representing you contracts fights etcetera but recently teamed up with Bounty Group but he was sort of consultant for you. If that's the best way to put it. Is he still going to be involved in your business or is this a clean? Break your friends. Clearly they're still respect there but are you no longer affiliated with him in any kind of business way. Yeah that's react you know is this is the next phase. The plan lender still part of the plan. But you know as far as agency now. I relieved of those duties because he's got enough on his plate man and I told him when I look to balance you dammit. I don't want you to have to get in the middle all my Jama and I'm not talking about just the drama with fighters I'm talking about with the UFC because he has to go to the negotiating table and Argue Dana. White argue with you. Know the other guy seems doesn't negotiate and I don't want to keep putting him in that predicament where it's like duties he's ruinous friendship with US's Brunner's friendship and relationship with these other fighters coaches That because everybody hates me everybody wants to talk smack about me. So united feels like this was the best plan in step to you know take the John Madden his life and show him how much respected he knows how much I respect them. I never watched him crying about other things other people. Didn't Jim or other things. People said I was always respectful him in this time and I want him to enjoy the rest of his life. You know not have to worry about little high school drama enemy. Professional GROWN ADULTS ACT LIKE ADULTS UNCLE. Trying to another adult. When you're in thought okay. So now let's transition to what's next few because it's interesting before I even texted you. Yesterday I was talking our mutual friend Shale Sunan. We were taping area on the bad guy. We're talking about the the mess at the top of the welterweight division. All this drama as of late and he brings up. Hey what's going on with Kobe? Comington why don't we hear his name being brought up? Where is he in all this house? He not factoring into any of this stuff and I somewhat hypothesized that. Perhaps he's in time out. I don't know what's going on with Kobe. Covington and so. I'm really happy that we're talking right now because I would love to know what's going on with you in the midst of all this drama and of course we got. Woodley coming back against Burns the Saturday. We've got everything going on between Mazda. Newsmen as you alluded to Conor McGregor in that mix as well. Where are you in all of this? Why isn't your name being brought air? You know why my name's not being brought up because I'm the toughest fight out there. No one wants to fight me. I mean Mardi fake. Newsman knows if he fights knee with a competent rack. That doesn't give him free. Time outs in the fight. He has no chance to win. I did confess. Boozman wobbled him multiple times that fight but we just found out that still has a couple brain cells left in that thick middle school. His because he's looking for easier fights with two little lightweight. Soya boys in George Moscow and Conman McGregor so you know. These guys are smart men. They don't WanNa say my name because they know what what happens when they say my name it. They're going to be in for the fight of their life. And and you know George Moss without you know he's out here bagel rematch the navy as the soy. That's headache do like. Why are you making yourself? Look so stupid within the fans realize in your fake your phony and you're afraid to fight. You're you're afraid to fight. The champion will sell dude. I I called this from day. One to said George is not going to lose any scared to fight any subset fighting. You know you can win next. George Montauk with his next twenty fights still wouldn't have as good winning percentages. That's how bad he is. So he's a bom he's relevant. He hit lightning in a bottle. And you know that he doesn't want to try and capitalize on it. He's you know but anybody out there they. I'm looking to fight soon area. You know I've been begging to come back and save the Sports World Save America but you know. We just got to see what the sea wants to do. I I want more to fake news but the last thing. Mardi fake news wants is to get locked in a cage with me again especially if it's going to be a fair playing field because he knows the can't beat him as he cheats so just curious. Why aren't you fighting? Woodley the Saturday because it seemed like there was a lot of momentum a couple months ago. That's when we were talking about. That fight finally happening fight. That's been brewing for a long time. A lot of heat between you guys one not a book that by why didn't happen for. May Thirtieth. Yeah I'll be honest aerial. Ufc didn't want him to have that fight the UFC pretty much knows he's relevant and he's washed up and he hasn't fought in what year and a half two years so they think he's just old he's washed up so they gave him a guy named. Leeann. Scott were kidney dilbert. I mean who knows what Gilbert is so. The ABC's wants to see if he still has eight take because his last fight he didn't even win one second one run. He got completely dominated from pillar to post from start to finish so they want to see. If there's anything still left in the take if he's GonNa This I was begging for the fight. I was more fight. Tyrant will be at five days notice because it's the easiest time match up in whole tire division for me the guy has no heart no cardio and he's a soft little soy so you know if he may be if he gets through the test this weekend I would love to fight him retire him the way he should go out. But you know let. Let's be is he's GonNa stick to hurting people's ears for with that wack ass rap album. He shot come out with you. He wins on Saturday. If you if you can remove your your personal issue with him do you think he beats Gilbert or do you think over beat them. I don't know what what a Dilbert is area but you know I would hope he could beat a dining dilbert. You know the guy the guy on minority find. That Nolan knows because no one knew yet so you know I would hope he wins but did it. His last was the last time you want around in the. Ufc has been like two three years. Four Years Turn Woodley Yeah. was Prior to the fight his Was that against who is announced. I'm was daily the Jill Derek finished until wonderboy stopped there until barrel the Doboy till man. That's that's that's a great winter. It man someone who everybody's beaten in mega after that he. He thought he had a flawless performance. And then all of sudden they wanna make him me and all of a sudden he's for oh I can't fight. I got hurt. Pinky dudes full of fake news. Everybody knows tyrant Woodley's CNN UFC area. He's not like you he's not a real reporter and a real guy who comes with facts in real news. So how do you see this playing out for you because it seems like now? Who'S BEEN MAZAL? It's I dunno on ice. It doesn't seem like there's much heat behind newsmen McGregor. Maybe I'M WRONG ON THAT FRONT. But it seems like a long shot. Where do you factor into all this like if you can look at Your Crystal Ball? When do we see Kobe? Comington fight next and against to you know if we look into the crystal ball. It's either gotta be heated rivalry x best friends. Turn a bitter enemies you know gentleman or hostile colby chaos coming to you. Know let's let's fill the docking American Airlines arena. Let's let's find out. Who's the King of the three zero five? He can't claim to be from Miami. But everybody knows Miami. Miami's favorite fighter now. So you know I think that's the perfect headliner. I it'd be a great thing but you know if that can't happen not I want my rematch. I disturbed by rematch area that that was so foul play during that last night. Remark Nasser. Badeah thank God who's locked up in the UK. You can't get over there because the travel ban. That guy's a piece of shit man. He's he's over there anti brexit. He believes that the European Union cell. He hates trump. He hates the fact that I support trump. So of course he's GONNA cheap. Of course he's going to call fake falls against me when the thousand actually happening to me. He's not gonNA call them. So you know I wanNA rock. It's not going to be biased. In is going to wrap that fight objectively. It's going to be a completely different outcome area. I promise you that I guarantee mark my words. You heard it here today on area one show. Next time I fight Mardi fake news. He's going to sleep and I will have the Real Wealth Way Championship. He's got the fake power Andrew Belt. You think we'll see you the summer. I hope so I'm begging to get back in there man. I do since December area. You don't know how motivated I've been. How hungry I've been. How how much WANNA right every wrong? How much how? Much fire is burning inside my soul to come back and rewrite the ship and rewrite history so I'm ready to go I hope you have see. We'll give me a worthy fight. You know I'm not wasting my time. We'll jobbers bumps. I came here to fight the best. I am the best in the world so so let me fight accordingly. And how is your relationship with you of CD's days like the notion that you're in time out because things were a little rocky leading up to your title fight is is that accurate or do you feel like you guys are in a better place? Great a better place. I'm definitely not find out I've been doing whatever I WANNA do. I'm on my own boss now because what to do when to do. I do what I WANNA do so you know. I definitely haven't been time and I've been making a ton of money I've been busy. Man Been Working hard traded every single day. I'm taking no days off Ariel. You know besides doing sponsors. I've Got Bang Energy on board and they've been a gray spots to me. You know. I got Mybookie you know my on the bookie company sponsors me. They're helping me out supplements main come in between fights so I can keep parents and stay ready for last minute opportunities. You know so if anything comes up last minute your boys ready man. I'm ready weeks. Some happens this weekend and Tikwa Woodley Steps Atto and needs an opponent. I'll be there finally what what's going on between you and drew. Mcintyre what what's happening here is this workers Be Honest with US era. I'm always asclepius trauma issue. I'm always a hundred percent honest with you. There's no CNN. Fake News. Going on drew McIntyre is GonNa get his ASS whooped so bad. I can't tell you what I'm GonNa do air. What's the busier dude? What the beef is I? Go over there and express interest to hey I wanna go I wanna go wrestle the WWe. You know I wanNA wrestle. The best and the company drew McIntyre this big Scott a sasquatch brock. Leser he's got all the hype. He's he's big bad boy and he comes at loose ending. This will. You'll let's welcome fight on like why you WanNa fight me. And then he's talking about. He wants to fight in a bar fight and in this ninety seven foot tall. Do Ju Macintyre sending for Tall. But when you're on your back you're not going to be seven foot tall throat drip through your head. Wow Okay so you feel. He disrespected you all did he. Area drew McIntyre denied. Only disrespect me. He crossed the line. If I see that guy and this be honest in quarantine so it's Kinda hard to find people like them neck and find people. Everybody knows that Ariel wanted to find Dana why I went found the blackjack table with and I confronted him about lose Mocatta shop. Jim McIntyre he's lucky it's quarantine right now it's hard to find people nowhere but he's GonNa be out on. The road is the world's not right. But I promise you when things get back to normal arrow. I'm GonNa go find drew McIntyre. I'M GONNA in down eminent out of his Bonnie all right so in conclusion Kobe. Covington is is no longer affiliated with American top team. Whether you were asked to leave or left on your own we have to ask. Dan Lambert that question. Although I feel Kinda give us a hint that maybe it was sort of like a mutual decision. Would that be fair to categorize it that way? Yeah that that'd be very fair okay. You're at peace. No hard feelings would Dan but you feel like now. The shackles are off so to speak. Say What you want you can speak your mind and You're out for revenge. No-one safe. Kobe Covington two point. Oh here we come good summary. I couldn't have been any better next out. There needed a book Kobe. I appreciate them at anything else. You WanNa get off your chest or did we cover it all today. I think we covered it all. You know you could tell us where you're training your coaching stuff is. But I don't come scenario. I promessi but we gotta be patient. One thing in a time Winston time people we know names. We know coaches we know own. We'll just have to find out. Baby I actions I can actually no. They don't worry about your. Wear your boy all right fair enough Kobe. Thanks as always for the time. Good luck to and hopefully sooner rather than later we back in there appreciate it. Thank you seem rather all right interesting stuff from Kobe Covington. So it had been rumoured for a couple of weeks that he was gone from. At finally confirms it. And I'm curious to hear who is coaches are. I'm curious to hear where he'll be training and also above all. I'm curious to see when he'll return against to. There's a lot of questions to be answered if you're Koby Comington. But he's still name in the sport make no mistake about it. Still a draw in my opinion and the top of one seventy is just a really interesting mess right now. Speaking of which the champion as we know is tomorrow Zeman. We know that he has the belt but this week things got weird. We thought we were on a pretty clear path to versus Mazda. And then all of a sudden we start to hear that Muslim turning his attention to Nate Diaz and turn his attention to Conor McGregor. What the heck is going on here and so we have gone to the man himself or Hey Maswadeh all to get some clarity as to what is going on and let me tell you he was fired up today you know like I said there was a time. He was doing a lot of injuries there. I'd say maybe too much but he's been relatively quiet as of late so is great catch up with him. Grey to sort of get some sense as to what is going on and try to figure out from his perspective where things stand. Here's my conversation with Game Bread. The number one contender at hundred seventy pounds. Or Mas. All Enjoy. Can you clear the air for US? What is going on what is going on well commodity. Who's asking for an insane amount of money? He had one of the worst pay-per-view cards of two thousand nineteen. I had the best. This is my numbers. Not An opinion I had the most sold pay per view of two thousand and nineteen. So he thinks he's the jackpot news asking crazy money for the year. See the UC's focus on several occasions. The this kind of goes back before that before me and they bought the first time when Kobe was giving him trouble. I stepping on legal. Would you fight? Who men on six weeks notice. I said yes who said no who stepped in. Es Now this thing comes about any asking for a crazy amount of money. Because he thinks sense he's finding the star one seventy that he's GonNa get eight but you gotta bring in your worth man you. You don't get you know you had the women's greatest champion ever lived the most talked-about woman history Menounos. You had Max out. Open us in the part in good on the car beside that and you still had one of the worst rods ever because Rack as so how you GONNA demand all this money and they get upset when you want to give it to you know. And he gave it away. He's talking about if the price is right world. They don't feel that the price is right. They don't WanNa pay them. You know so what can I do in the fight is going to happen? Because that's the vital that it's going to happen is just is just. He's making top the UC's making a little bit tough. But it's what the fans want to. I want you know it's going to happen. I'm going to get money if not it's going to be these men and then I'll mess up Hussein. Space Come November. But it's going to happen okay. So as far as your talks with. Ufc where you onboard. Were you all done with them? We haven't we haven't gotten official contracts. We haven't got anybody agreement. See if this movie we just see this. The people that are involved with loose men and put his stuff out is just fake news. And this the real stuff. I'll tell you right now. If it should is so real. What does he have? A site assigned agree with the date on all that stuff and posted online. Since you've signed since you're so ready to go because he talks about. I was reading on this date on that day on no occasion. Did he ever signed about it? Never signed the battery. He's never even agreed on money to meet your said. Yeah fight there he ashra money to me yes and on that it. It is a somewhat of a business. You know he's GonNa Track a tough guy eight you then. Now you're good. He's GonNa try to act like he's a tough guy but he's not you know he's GonNa he's been talking about. He's knockout machine. Knocked out the fragile who've men don't nobody care about that and do finished twice in the see. Why bragging about him not got arrested. They can't not nobody out to can take so what What is the big about if it's gonNA happen but it's not going to be in history like I've said from from the start and he's so desperate just be sitting case I did when I run it? Back when nate again with his mouth wide open like always my biggest fan. My biggest bruton. He said this to Brett Okamoto yesterday. Both you and Conor McGregor are champions of twitter. Talking back on twitter and the history of anime who has ever said no to title shot. I'm that guy. I'm the Boogeyman who these guys are saying. No to a title shot against and they better remained quiet. Might as well you opportunity on April. Eighteenth may ninth June. July sixteen wants to fight nate of fight. That wasn't even competitive. And so he's saying that you're turning down the title shot. You're saying that's not true. What I'm saying is that on April. May He never signed about the. You've seen you what we wanted wanted for money. They went to him. He didn't sign about it. Being there was no further discussions he didn't sign about agreements with they. Put it in even talk to me. I'm the one that draws you in cells you people find the fight to watch me so they don't care about and got me and they know that if they get him the sign they're gonNA compensate me they're gonNA take his asking. Sign the paper on any of those days and when he had the chance when for real have the chance that he was getting ready for it in November. What why do you think it was supposed like always says him in that other fragile Dude November? Right what what happened in? Why didn't they scrap it out? I didn't mean nate out of nowhere. Come out how did that happen because he said noting straight UP WHEN THEY CALL. You said one massive on six weeks. He said no that he hours later called back. You know what I think I might take it too. Bad knee already stepped up too late. And Sediments foams funny. What's the big deal? This guy is and that's why that fake news and all that stuff it's going to happen. I just I'm going to take when it's going to happen. What do you make of him now? Talking about Connor and his team saying that they will. They will fight conor instead of you. This just you know I thought. Fight engage. You know I don't care. Managers getting here and train training train. He's not gonNA fight. Nobody that's waste ESPY'S EVERYBODY. I mean any of us have I done within the last. I don't know five six weeks compared to this constantly common Brett or whoever will give them the time. Hey let me get in Germany tendency. Call us to get on your show you know. Maybe you don't want to say you smile. You give it all the way down on this group name. This guy's on attention more. I love the fight man. I'M NOT GONNA lie that. That's my another scrap man. He all the meeting talking when he signs about me. Uc Send it over to me and we discussed the numbers will do it but the UFC doesn't even care mandate he's the lowest selling guy of two thousand and nineteen. Why why do they keep those guys of business? The any ship visits. He's in the normal business. Look at his paychecks compared to my and I WANNA just one way. They just fact he'd said almost champion as interesting because I think he has tripled the tweets that have unless he's raised them like as a when our goal has quadrupled tweets or something. That have what was he getting that you know what I'm saying. Boost twitter champion. If you're the one that's constantly on twitter van constantly talking to anybody that'll interview is okay. I'm in interview meekly. Somebody hear me. Nobody cares man. Fake News all the fucking time is just talk. Talk Talk Talk Talk England Shit and then when he fights with do facing the crotch facing the crotch in not fragile duties campaign for that. I got more knockout. Got just any knock as as he has wins. Sixteen knockouts on my record. He has like fifteen win. Something like that after breaks face. I'm going to have more knockouts. He has wins you. You tell me I'm scared of that do. Is it the same thing about Ben that I was back? Step in this and that no we have to get the numbers right things at the be on board when the things we're writing they said okay after. Ben Guaranteed a title shot. What did we do signed by the way the money was right? But then you WanNa tell you I'm GonNa make use man look as simple as I say when we get in. If you have see comes to you today and says what do you want loose modern? Yes what are you picking? It's all the same tomatoes and potatoes face bankers. I have a distinct. It's like okay. So do you feel like it's going to happen? You believe in your heart. It's going to happen this summer. I don't know if it happened so I don't know if it happens remember. I don't know when it happens but I'll tell you this I'll say when where in the ace side and you get to be visited. The money will be right here. He could stay and do what. Everyone knows Working talked so much. Nobody listens for me. He did that interview with but we just said right now to see how many of you get to see. How many views me you. The numbers don't lie mental. Nobody listening to your credit. He put out the our movie in seeing this shit. You see I did not see it. You didn't see the biggest nerd animation. You didn't see that stuff. Her mom nobody about this. But I'm GONNA make him. Famous GUARANTEES SEGUE that British food famous backstage. Whatever his name. Is this more famous man. Would you be open to fighting July eleventh or because they are looking definite open to find July? Eleven you've see doesn't know my number but they do know management's number they give the we've been training for a minute man since January already. Been Training Training training training wants April came around. We've Been Heat New Gospel. Ardent ready to vote tomorrow so for the public. If you are good to go July eleventh they call up eight cow your manager and Cetera want Horry Muslin on July eleven. Who Do you think your opponent will be on July eleven? Who has a better chance of being your opponent? I don't know Manhattan to tell you the truth being on you. Don't think nate as a problem for me. I think needs ready to go and he willing to go is asking for you know people in the UCLA. We'll find out how much money asking he's asking for an absurd amount of money on absurd amount of money at the. Ucs had fought that broke. Who are you mean? Ashes amount of money guaranteed when? You're not a draw draw not a household name. Nobody knows even the heart zones or don't Care Freeman. There's no he doesn't have a like a commanding force. Like Hey I could. At least three hundred thousand pay per views glove of on doesn't do that so you know what that stat that at the end of December when when they had immense amount of of of propaganda. And this and that in right before that was my view because the So that means more subscriptions on. Espn means it's easier for people to access the platform. You would have thought it would about done me not even close if I think if he gets off the saw horse immunise management maybe they they might see the lightning in the wake up at the lights and let you go. I just spoke to your your old T. May Be coming to told me he's left. Att He's no longer a member of the team anymore. Can I ask what your actions lab? The truth will shine my brother. What happened but That he was never part of the seniors fucking cancer men for the last city for years. You know the end of the he didn't feel safe and humane. I wonder why are you happy? He's Gone. Would you like to fight them? I'll tell you what man this. I'm not exaggerating. What I'm about the same. This is the temple from it's it's it's somewhat of religion religious experience for me being in here being since a kid. You Know Mike. Good days my bad days my birthday. I'm spending JIM sharpening my tooth. I truly love this moss in unity. I never said a word of what type of team mater or man or it's not a man but sport a win that you can solve the woman on the Joanna and sought that Amanda. The doesn't these people are not in your way class. I get you're trying to do this. They use some with you have to do a woman a one one fifteen pound woman under thirty five women. A unit competing. And you're GONNA pay per views because you're talking about a man named Lanna answered me. That is that that was going to happen. People have always talking smack about chicks. I'm going to go buy the paper. It just sets a bad example of our team and our sport so him that being associated with us no more. They've already moved out of the features of his power. Here is off. The website is like you didn't even exist in same thing it'll be in the next fight he's GonNa get knocked down. Then you end up making suit east Indian gaming halls fighting for for life so before it's all said and done. Would you like to fight him or do you just want to be done with? I'm pretty sure he's knife is going to get him out of that. I don't see any not at a high level. They give them some new guy that just came in. May but it fair against competition. You won't hand to lose a fragile movement and he's not a guy that's meant to be strong and I remember crying. My cows broke his hand the first time you did the my cash for about eight nine months. They didn't have a job. Didn't fight had a broken hand and he thought about spending time so mentally. I've been hearing the same thing about the job. I'll be surprise if even comes back to fight. That's something that he was gonNA fight. Woodley wasn't training. He wasn't training anywhere. Just kind of the media has already the of change. You can't just copy and paste everything everybody says. I'm not saying you about anything. Somebody says something they put it out there just because you said that doesn't mean he's going to do it night that you know we should be questioning these people as journalists like training. This and that he's he wasn't training anywhere. Willie was actually getting ready to fight for them. What are they act dying? It being over yet again pulled out for time so I don't I don't get it. How how even as anybody believe in? I don't see fighting any top. Fives anytime some last question for you. Harare if you look in your crystal ball for us to make it as clear as possible. What are we seeing? You fight against again. Excuse me my since November light towards the end of November December. We're hearing rumors that I would be headlining. International fight to line. That's still might find. I'm going to try to headline that far against the biggest name. The biggest fight the toughest fight idea my hands on. I'm the not that it's not gonNA prove it on July eleven. If you sign the dotted line now he can gonNA make all publications. You want Odwalla any of in them. But that doesn't mean you signed about it doesn't mean winning saying thank you. I appreciate it. An- loved the beard man. It's looking like Kimbro respect. I haven't I haven't been I'm into barbershop. Ship for real. I was like six seven weeks. Locked up man but now you're free kind of there's at the Jimmy and I still try at a low key it out. The beaches just got open in in Florida in some parts of Florida like in Broward County. So we're going to enjoy pretty soon begin some beach workouts and things like that and I and I hear that you're giving Bo nickel run for his money as well perhaps a sign of things to come giving them a run in his money and in spite ball man. I can't do that. Resume that lets. You gotTA LOOK OUT FOR MATT. Bows a study. Came Down with a couple guys. Anthony Anthony 'cause our which was a heavyweight champion for Penn state while still got coating on which is another vs the future's really right for Americans in them. We're going to do something this devastating in. Nobody's even seeing the better better. Good work ethic down here. We tracked the right guys. That's why that guy that you mentioned him leaving as actually attractive the next wave of people. Don't nobody WANNA chain with a piece of crap like that. It's going to be talking about how they didn't know how they didn't in going on twitter insane. I would beat up so and so again to fight that. That's not a sportsmanlike teammates know. And he says it's a Solis for but it's not because all those coaches that he talked about about presenting coaches. They've they talked about. They're the ones holding the patron. The ones holding getting the keeping the arms from in New Orleans grappling with him shouldn't hold Brazil yet he was years sucking off these resuming coaches to help them out to give him a Nobody wanted to work with was only guys are willing to work with the guys. Chitra getting rid of that cancer was like the best thing Jim. You'RE GONNA see us even. We're ready as the top down think. There's no competition right now. But we're just GONNA hit another stratosphere coming up appreciate the time as always good to talk to get the Best Jim in the world you asked me like a million questions and those corporate. Jaquith you gotTA credit. Now it's my best team in the world curling. There's A. There's a few that come to mind. American top team at the TOP OF THE LIST AKA. I think is a great team Jackson. Win Some Great Star cheaper for about the UC about ballot. Oh Yeah L. Risen. No have you seen bulk collection? Got over him. I've heard of. Yes you let me show. Okay all right I think this replied out this might have been carrying this flag for a long time American top team in this it. Just the be in these halls right here. It's amazing about a show. If you guys got a beautiful he goes got not bad at that one. Nice and then look at that. Look a while felt brother. I see him so much so much. Gold there I can skate on it or so much ice. I should say I screwed that up. There's more nothing quite like a fired-up or Hey Mazda appreciate his time very much. I'm really curious to see how this all pans out. I wrote a lot about it on. Espn DOT COM check that out right now on ESPN DOT com slash May. But it's a it's a very convoluted mess because you've got some massive names here you've got Mazal McGregor WHO's Mon- D. As all involve. Who knows what happens after Saturday with Woodley and there's Covington to so much going on in that one seventy pound weight class in the end. I'd love to see the Maswadeh who's been fight. I feel that's the fight that we were promised they were building to there was heat. They had the running at the at the Super Bowl in Miami several months ago. That's the fight that I think people want to see and then we could look to maybe connor versus nate three talked about and The other chips will fall where they'll fall would leave versus COMINGTON. That makes sense. I don't know what happens on Edwards. It's a mess of a situation but great gain some clarity from Mazda himself and he was in great spirits so his time very much now. Let's turn our attention to another simmering. Drama will as far as the UFC is concerned it's between Francis and guy new John Jones and the UFC. So we've been talking about this and gone to Jones fight. We've been excited. Ever since he beat. Jersey New Rosen strike in a matter of seconds back at UFC to forty nine. And they were going back and forth in the where the tweets when we got all pumped up about it and then it just Kinda died when John Jones was tweeting about it and I appreciate the transparency. But I feel like we didn't get the whole story there because I was trying to figure out like okay. Well what was he asking for? How much was the asking for? Was it you know? Forty million dollars in. He knew that the C- wouldn't you know come to the table or was it reasonable. It's a frustrating situation. All we can agree on right now is that we all WanNa see this fight if it's GonNa be steep avarice as DC three. There's no better fight for both John Jones and Francis than fighting each other. We gotta figure this out anyway. France to gun has been relatively quiet since this all went down last week so we went to the man himself to find out where things stand. A frustrated Francis is a very interesting entertaining Francis. That's who here from right now. First off Francis. Thank you again for the time I appreciate. It. How are you? I'm good uncertain? I'm doing really well thank you. It's good to talk to you again. We spoke not that long ago after your big win over Jeanniot but a lot has happened since then and so I just WanNa ask you right at the top. Where do you stand right now? As far as your fighter potential fight with John Jones I think that's one is not moving on very well since the last comment of the Yes president Dana White but At some point I thought that side is going to happen and I thought I might have excite you for many months as let us last nine but is not happening. It sucks somewhere stuck somewhere. So let's see how it goes. Do you know why it stuck happening explained to you? I mean you was clear that he was a about money that I would join John. Asks is what they're willing to pay a so we didn't even spoke about something. Speak OUT ABOUT SOME. Because he was just yet at a wasn't willing to willing to do you know what he asked for. I don't know I guess the question is that people are wondering including myself like do think that he asked for something reasonable or do you think that he asked for a number. That's so big. Because he knew that the UFC would say no to that number because perhaps deep down inside. He doesn't really want this fight. That's the thing that's being debated at the moment. You understand what I'm saying. The I understand that I Don T so I take you ask for something which is risen Like I don't know how much that was but I think He asks for something risible. People said Jones one. If I mean I think he wants like Because made himself clear. I know you want money. You want more Morton it says everyone wants morning and We know our guy can do with money for money. You know so once again is not like cheese is not like a middle way. Can't we join join light light-heavyweight you walk out on as a heavyweight? He has to cut wait to go to heavyweight. Do like so On his been around easy walk last jump Bjorn. He'd been in the top for longtime experience. So I think I mean I believe that. Do you think he's sincere? Because in the past he's talked about heavyweight but then he went back to light heavyweight. You actually felt this time that he was sincere. Why do you feel that way? I don't know I mean like Been asking me about decide for for long time but each. We haven't tease each other on like a week ago. So if he wasn't saying say why would he be two on the me like yes. He can't decide to go to heavyweight. Does different to be but like okay. I'm going to fight this Bassett different. Did it ever get to the point? Where the YOU HAVE C? Was talking about the fight or were they just talking to him. No dinovite like really talk to me ability. How do you feel about that about what? Well I mean. It takes two to tango right. They need to get you on board as well. Yes days. North Danville goes down really to play the music. Right how disappointing. How frustrating is that for? You is just is just one on many Zeppelin mental macra. Now is what When will be my next site once again? I'm hoping it won't be like a in Unidad. Eleven months also. So let's see what they get for me. Do you feel like it's dead like you think that it's actually not going to be discussed again. There's no chance of this happening between you and John Jones. He has to be discussed. I think is site is so big. I mean I always to be honest. I never talk about people. Always ask me Audi. And I kind of like deflect the question but I knew that is something that was going to happen. I didn't think that we're GONNA be talking about this one but I knew that is going to happen at some West so yes Now than ever I believe decide is going to happen. Maybe now is going to happen is known. Wait at is not happen. Why did you feel like it was going to happen that it was inevitable? Such as big fight is such a big challenge. I mean a for me of John is just a big challenge on a has a has been so excited about site. I mean if they care about fans a little bit. There's no way decide is going to happen so John said that. Hey you know when I go up and take a challenge like this when I moved the the fight a guy as dangerous and powerful and talented as Franson guy who I should be making more. It is a risk involved in. I should be paid for that risk. You agree with what John has said about this. Yes besides that Disobeyed fight. I I mean yes. He's moving up to heavyweight but big fight. I think it's reasonable to ask for a local Like I would I would do the same. I mean I'm expecting I'm also expecting something out of this site to be day or something like that No because I'm moving up. No I'm I'm moving down but still wants money. You know so Is just the circumstances justify the fight Sounds to be very dated. Big fight on the was. There is so So to be clear like even if they did come to terms with John on any kind of deal and then they come to you. You'RE NOT GONNA fight John Jones for the same money that you fought jersey. No Rosen strike for you know. Suck no suck. No what what are you talking about? I just wanted to make it clear you know be should be lab. Be sure about that. That's not happened okay. So you want to pay. And that's why I was wondering if they reached out to you yet because it feels like if they just reach out to one side obviously they have to get him onboard before they start talking to you but they need to get both of you on board. It sounds like as well don't know maybe a as I said there wasn't a winning on that maybe is not just on yet. Dining were knows up land into that individual but he's not the right time to have some plan going moving on but maybe they WANNA do that. Have you seen the reaction to this fight? It seems like the fans. I mean there aren't that many fights at the UFC can put on right now. That seems to generate the kind of buzz that you two were generating and can generate and especially when you talk about for the masses for the non anime fans. It seems like this is a very easy fight to sell. Were you noticing all the buzz surrounding the all the excitement and did that make you think okay the UFC has to be looking at this as well? This is a no brainer. No I think the. Us AID NO BIG IFS. In no very where I bought these because death been talking about this fight for like this year like all the time I I used to have interview on fans. Will we ask me about the Jones? Fight asked to deflect the conversation but audio always came. Came UP. You know like you know something. That is not avoidable like a a need to rematch against debate. I wanted to be the heavyweight champ but a people will Mosley asked me about the Jones side or than steep a fight. Or you know they always ask me about. Talk me about Jones fight then Albuquerque. I'm not I'm not kidding. I'M NOT GOING DOWN UNLESS JONES. Co comes up and we will talk about fight. But I'm no going back justly. I sense that he's going to happen most. Obviously if John Jones moves up there's no belt on the line but I'm wondering considering who he is and his resume in. Your opinion is a fight against Jon Jones at heavyweight bigger than a fight against St Bay for the belt. Yes the I mean. Obviously a wonderful Festival for revenge on sick on for the bed but I think we all agree in the fact that fight against John Jones shoes way more than the fight against DP and in your in your heart. I mean that's my opionion. No I'd like okay. Let's say I'm not a fighter on. I want to see some flight. Francis engano against Francis against jone-jones. There's no doubt is GonNa John Jones that I to see you know but everyone has his own purpose. You guys have been going back and forth a little bit on social media and one of the things that he was saying that. There's not a lot of technique there when he sees you striking. What if you made of a lot of the things that he said about you over the past couple of weeks not a people always say these even before my life last night. I had these but it doesn't change how. How defied goes you know so we get there. We put it down and we see how he goes. You know I mean I have my own technique on a maybe no team but he meets a weed and the end of the day the might is to lead the fight just curious. There's been a lot of debate lately about who the greatest of all time. Is You consider John. The greatest of all time of all the time okay. So let's let's be onus abilities like dazed in many many. Yes it enemy fighter that I never really watched. You must get into dislike Joseph years ago just doing my own career on every just has to be about what he's pretty close so my own career best. So far I will note out. June I will not good at. I mean wise. Yes potato being in the head of division for like whoa almost a decade so based argument about okay and and so now in your heart. Do you think your next fight will be against John? Do you think that it gets figured out or are you not holding out hope? I'm not you know I'm not holding on hope. You know when you hold into Marshall Dan James Those who have been on the could force read it and I don't WanNa be not I just WanNa to let in happen. What happened happened? Does it matter you know anything? I want to be active and I hope this time. The take that in consideration and when you say active. Let's say they do steep versus in August and this John Fight doesn't materialize. Are you open to fighting other people of all forget about? Let's say I think discipline we have to talk about fact like okay. Dc ON STEEP as fighting in August or not. I WANNA know. Give me that your fighting on not an F. Eighty when when will be the next eiter challenge in the division? Okay that's does the I wanNA know. That's and that's when you will decide if you'll be open to taking another fight right. I think If I will make sense Has To be maybe super fight. I mean like just the fight of the on week Beautif. Some changing your to confine me at doesn't interest anyone outside of John that you consider a super fight I don't know I mean I would have said yes may be. Dc DC's fighting steepest right now. Okay so so. It's a very interesting time in by the way since the Jersey. No fight not related to John. Did you have any talks for your management having talks with the UFC? About what could be next for you. Anything any any kind of communication destiny. I figured out what's going on with steep. Okay they're trying to put the see what happened in August. I mean how he goes because it's not official yet is not a loved yet. So I'm waiting. I'm waiting for that now. Speaking of big fights Super Fights Eddie. Hearn. Who's a famous Boxing promoter said recently that he feels like he can make a fight between you and billion white the The heavyweight boxer a very soon he feels like there's a lot of momentum in Suny wants to talk to Dana White about this. Have you heard about these comments? From from Eddie hearn. Yeah I heard about that but once again I'm under your on track on nineteen would happen. We out devious approval. Okay in this fight I'm enter about everything will make sense because otherwise my future is being you know. Billion is right. Yeah I've been hearing about him like for few months. I mean I haven't seen in about it. Goes Talk Iota crap on the? I don't WANNA photo up. Yeah I find out ways. What's his beef with you? Why is he talking crap? I don't know I mean I think that's how he felt because I saw that. He's he's doing. The same thing with everyone is not just about me so but this is something that you've talked about wanting to boxing so this could be the opportunity. Do you think the you have C. Would let you signed out. Find out the. Us is predictable. The put mildly now but but if they say yes. This is something you're interested in right. Yeah I will be interested in about that. I mean cited about it. It doesn't sound like you're very excited about it. Yes because they a lot of if you're tired of us. Yes there's a lot of eighty hundred if Dylan y you know so. I want something concrete. I want something like effect you know. I mean I'm except that is super fight. That will be interesting like Dhillon. Y want to come to the fighting? Let's see that you added I go to the ring to fighting. That's what for me. Let me ask you this before I let you go. What means more to you to be the heavyweight champion of. Emmy or the heavyweight. Champion of boxing. Now I'm doing an Miami. I think we have to take things. Step-by-step you know have to achieve achieve. What I'm doing before said another go books. Like stay focused on what I'm doing. Eventually when I step a crossover Dan I will have a different goal for books in but now I'm in MMA so as to achieve what. I've you earlier this on earlier this month when we spoke you're frustrated. Would it still be fair to say that you're frustrated or do feel like because you're far away from the fight now you've kind of got no for the past month? I owned us to understood many things. You have to come down because no your coal. You know no matter no matter what you want of. You had to wait for the year. See I mean as long as you the contract with them. That's Iowa Dana Body get infiltrating does. Have you got all to kind of like to see like friendly joy? Just take this job. Because at the end of this Josie job you know have a life Unfortunately at can travel now but I would I would have rain on with may enjoy and forget about or they fighting thinks you know so to last thing so dealing with this and the deleon white stuff does that. Make any you talk to me. Last time you have two more fights left on your contract. Is this give you more things to think about when you eventually become a free agent? I've been thinking about full very long time. So I'm good in that site. Okay you like yeah nothing what the Freedom. Okay do you think. Is it possible that after those two fights you you will leave the UFC? Midi what do you mean by postal? Well okay not possible like is it fair to say that. After you're done those two fights you will leave the UFC no I say that but at least we will do in your contract on different ten okay and finally any message to John. Anything you want to say to John Jones. I mean I disappointed. I don't think I have anything to say to join John's because you know is like has a true a Ice WATER ON MY FACE. So draw like move weeks ago. I was excited. I bow these are now I mean? I can't hold Joe Accountable so I dont review but it really team that I expect is that they decide seriously because he's GonNa happen or maybe to be involved maybe you want to say something to the UFC. Yes to make it happen. Because I mean to make me fight to justify me winnings mannix fight. That's I mean that's what I want to know what I think. I speak for everyone when I say I mean they're few fights that are more exciting on paper than Francis and gun new versus John Jones. Everyone was buzzing about it. It was a bummer. But I'M GONNA I'M GONNA HOLD OUT HOPE FRANCIS. I still believe that it is alive and I feel like there's a chance that had happened. They have thing yes I believe too. I mean they know exactly what they are doing so I think you might just be might myself tiny? You know a empty arena. Fight everything now. So they don't want to deal with manuals do is in at once. Maybe that's why the late on on that Francis. I appreciate the time as always my friend. Thank you very much and I hope for your sake. They figured this out soon in that we get the fight that everyone has been talking about you versus John Jones. Thank you my friend. All the best. Thank you have a good day again? Thank you very much to Francis in God new for his time a fascinating story that. I'm really curious to see how this plays out. This would be one of the biggest fights you could put on in twenty twenty and it's not for belt and it doesn't have to be for a belt but when you consider the fact that John Jones is technically undefeated. I consider him undefeated. I don't consider that one loss to Matt. Hamill legitimate when you consider the fact that he's moving up for the first time we've been talking about him moving up to heavyweight for years now at least three or four years and he'd be going up against the guy who's considered to be the scariest heavier right now the the hardest puncher in the heavyweight division maybe in the UFC and he's knocking people out in a matter of seconds. This is just a fascinating fight and then when you consider the ramifications from the fight let's say DC wins against Ebay and John Jones beach. Engano you could do John. Jones versus DC three at heavyweight or even if John Jones beach and gone when CPA wins Jones versus deep as a fight that we've been talking about for so long. This is going to be an issue. That's GONNA come up a lot as of late the YOU HAVE C. You know they. They lost out on some revenue and they will continue to lose out on revenue because there are no gates right now right they're doing events empty arenas like they're doing this. Saturday at the apex and they're not going to break the bank and so we're seeing this come up with maswadeh newsmen. We're seeing this. Come up with guy new and of course. Jon Jones and we're GONNA see it come up a lot. I think over the next three months can be interesting to see how they figure this out anyhow for now though time now for everyone's favorite segment of the week it is time for ti tease minimalist tip of the week. And it is brought to you by our good friends over at Modell modell. Oh s best setting the gold standard for authentic Mexican beer since nineteen twenty. Five modell brewed for those with fighting spirit. Gst's minimalist tip of the week. Well area just on cloud nine today was that you texted me this morning. Well you text me last night but was fast asleep by then because you never sleep. I woke up to a text message from you at four forty five. Am We're having Colby Covington on today? And I've never been so happier at that time and after that when we spoke to earlier before we actually got rolling and do the actually interview and he said Hi to me and he invited me to his next fight. How about that? I actually don't remember the invitation per se. I remember him saying I hope to see was in an invitation or was it just sort of like. I mean an exit. At least say it. Hey come to my next fight. I want you walking late to the the Wayans but he is probably thinking that in his mind he basically inviting us. I can't wait for you. Know takes the welterweight belt that is rightfully his. Yeah no that is fair. I mean I know you're a big fan so it can understand why you'd be so excited to have that moment. That's the first time you talked to them right. First Time. I've talked to him and I was. I was speaking out really. The second came on the screen. I was smiling from ear to ear. Your big your big Kobe mark and I get that bigger fan of Kobe or hosie. Causey definitely a that. There's a better chance of colby listening to this then hauls e so you might as well just said Kobe. This actually inspired me. This along with Conor McGregor top five list that he put out over the weekend. You guys in DC dissected. I put together a top five list of my favorite fighters and I'm wanting little Hawaiian knows trivia challenge. If you can guess them okay. This these are firefighters. Who are the best now? These are my favorite fighters so this is inside. The Act Octagon outside the Octagon based on how they act what they say. Present themselves to center Koby Number. One right now actually. Now what? I'm shocked. What you just went on ten minutes is how happy you were that. Kobe was very happy. But if we are encompassing everything he's actually not my number one all right. Do you want get down or one? I'm just going to throw out the names. I actually okay. I think it'll be surprised by some of the names busy. Yes he's on. The list is the Kobe both on the list. Daniel cormier no. You don't even have now one half of the Monday show. That's I don't not yet. He can work his way in. They're not yet after that. I'm clueless. You WanNa love. She showed me lot in Zang fight. I Love I have met her as well conor McGregor. He's he's number five on my list but over time he can move up once. He earns more of my trust but very exciting fighter. Obviously that Valentina Shevchenko is my second. Favorite fighter is he's number one. Wow well so Kobe's number three putting more emphasis here on like the fighting aspect of it in terms of watching person fight. It's by a long shot then Valentina. She's an assassin in there. I love watching her fight. Kobe for as great as he is outside the octagon as entertaining as he's inside. He's not as much okay. Is this the tip of the week? This is not the tip of the Week. This everyone was dying to hear who your top five favorite fighters. I mean. This is great. I mean we here. We are in a Wednesday pulling out some of the biggest names in the sport. I mean literally some of the biggest names in the sport and you follow that up with your top five favorite fighters. I've got thoughts. Hey but I also have. Thoughts minimalism. An so I found myself in a predicament last week because I wanted to buy this sweatshirt. A forty eight dollar sweaters. It's kind of expensive and a little bit out of the budget right now. Considering everything that's going on so it was an impulse buy. I really wanted to get this. Sweatshop I really wanted it and so we all have impulsive. Even minimalists are not averse to having impulses however I know how to manage these impulses. So what do I? What I do is whenever I'm having a whenever there's a big purchase like that. I'm considering let's put it over thirty dollars. I kind of take some time to wait. It out to see does that initial interest that initial desire for that item subside. After two weeks I give myself two weeks so I'm still in the waiting process and right now I still want that sweater and if I feel the same way this time next week I will get that sweatshirt but I will not let myself impulsively by something. That's a little bit on the expensive end just because I wanted so badly in that moment and so anyone who struggles with impulse buying especially when you have all the time on your hands at home especially when you have the entire market's at your fingertips online on your phone your computer when it's so easy to fall into those traps. I strongly suggests that if you don't want to end up with some stuff that you're actually not super happy with about After having a few weeks than this is what I suggested to give it some time to let it wear off and if it doesn't wear venue should get. I feel like this is something that I mean you can. You can apply to your daily life and not be a minimalist right. I mean that's just sort of like good spending de for sure but so many people fall victim to I mean. I know a lot of friends who just kind of buy things. Spur of the moment. And they're like. Why did I buy that? And so whenever I want to buy things and trust me. I do want to buy things from time to time. I do have desires however I curtail that and I stopped myself. Do you like hey do I really need this right now or let me give it some time and then if I still want it if I still wanted a few weeks that'll give into it but I will not allow myself to just impulsively by something and then end up with something that a month later? I'm asking myself. Why did I get all right so there you have. There's the tip of the week presented by modal. Thank you very much. Tst We appreciate you as always and thank you very much to all the guests who have joined us the world of Ma is evolving every moment. It's a crazy time while the other leagues are talking about returning to play and revenue sharing and collective bargaining and hub cities. We're talking about actual fights and drama and all sorts of crazy stuff. I mean it's like we never left. It's like we're back on track people arguing about money and saying this guy scared of that leaving. Jim's it never stops in the world of man. We're happy that you're with us on this crazy ride. 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Rematch of The Match, No More Pity Sports

The Golf Podcast

52:29 min | 1 year ago

Rematch of The Match, No More Pity Sports

"Now on the it's Mattie in the caddy here's Matt Berry and Michael Collins. It is a little later addition of your weekly teebox dysfunction alongside the caddy accounts. I ended. Maddie this is Matt in the caddy. Hit US up on social media APP Mattie and Kennedy. At why the word and see a DVD that has instagram and twitter. I will take full blame of the day late approach this week. We are scheduled to do this Wednesday. I A couple of things come off so everybody Taylor caddy willing to move it today. Thursday about one PM. So thank you for the flexibility of when no one has anything on. Don't thank me man. You're going to get a whole bunch of grief because it is because we was trying to get this done early in the week but in what will get into later all kinds of little inside tidbits came out so we was like I they will just. Let's wait till Tuesday I. You can't do it Tuesday. We can't do it okay. 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Things have happened since our last podcast. I is the four participants have agreed to a rematch of the match. With a couple of hall of famers throat in to remain two players rematch in two new elements added in all right. So would you care it tentatively? What we've been told Memorial Day weekend in Florida for Tiger versus Phil. Tom Brady. Peyton Mann may twenty four somewhere potentially may twenty four th potentially in Florida in potentially right now that tiger. Note this. I'm trying to. I was trying not to give stuff away and so this is the problem so my ipad. You can't turn out. There's no way to turn a ringer off on the IPAD plummeted. Tax Steve Jobs from the grave and see I mean I was probably. That was probably wouldn't. Can you imagine if that was his last day? Here's how to me. Wait how do you? How does day it did have a switch? I'll believe is facetime with no mute. We that that was his last wish. And then having your phone not GonNa crap when you don't update the new software right but see. That was that was. I think that was ordered. That was one of those things was like listening. Everybody has this great technology. Why are we gonNA come out with one every year and it was like? Yo when the new ones come out slow old ones down like a Russian state secret slows things down for you. Wait what Here's the thing about the match. So the sticking point so there's a few things that number one this has to be tour approved so as we know even though it's come out you know it's all going to be a charity. All going to the Kobe Relief Fund in order for Phil Mickelson and Tiger Woods to hit a golf shot on TV for someone other than the PGA tour. Tour gotta get a taste. Why 'cause that's because every player when you sign a deal to join the PGA tour you give up your likeness? Is that what they think? The first one yes the other thing that no one talked about with the first one. Was You remember how when we got to the end that last part three and no one was gambling and everybody was like yeah? What's the deal? You guys haven't made a bet for air. So what did what no one told anyone was one of the stipulations that the tour put in there because it was happening in Vegas and it was pay per view big gambling thing the tour stipulated there could only be four bets. So remember when Phil said I bet you a hundred thousand. I birdied the first hole wasted one before they ever teed off and that's why they only on three of the par threes when the last part three couldn't make a bet they didn't have no more and it was all charity like it wasn't like. Hey here's my Scotland again. This is gonNA sound me rude but it wasn't like legitimate betting with each other it was on charitable. Kinda like it wasn't degenerate like air typically doing when they're planning on the weekend they're buddies well. This was part of the thing we talked about with the first one. We're playing for a million. They're playing for a main dollars. Tha Cash Man. This is cash money. You know ten million cats and it's like you're not playing for your own money. Go Get your own money out the bank. Then then it's going to be they're going to be some grinds right there. If you're playing for your own money you put your money in the pot. But that's why this time again. If when this happens they have to bring Pat Perez and Charles. Barkley back but this time they have to let them on the golf course. Yes now thus by adding Tom Brady and Peyton manning peyton might be the only one to try and talk a little bit of smack liking this. You know what is going to be like because these dudes is so corporate. It's going to be like it's like going to code so creamery and being like yeah let me start with vanilla perfect cookie you add more vanilla people say that about Tom. Brady and I don't know why Tom Brady apologised but he is sneaky. Funny Yes 'cause it's Peyton and he's got six rings to patents to and they always want to compare the two Brady. I think Brady is going to have more to say than anything now. I do agree with you because Tom still playing that. He's not going to be as loose as you might think. And Manning we've seen doesn't give a damn but I like did you see the Social Media Dame. Tom Put out after it was announced. Yes the he's funny and he'll give he's GonNa give you more than filler. Tiger to know fill is hilarious on social media too. But you know why. They're hilarious on social media. 'cause they get to control everything that they say that I agree with. So that's why everybody's like this is going to be awesome. We're GONNA get to see Tiger and Phil like we never seen him before. Do you remember the moment when Tim Phil's brother Slash caddy those? I'm GonNa Curse Man I can feel it. It's coming out on the CURSOR and fill is go. You better not you better. Not you better not want to see it. F Bomb Right now so bad and it was it was corporation Phil. That's why this leads to the PIFF. Unie that I had this week about. Oh Oh oh I had. I had an epiphany that I'm just. I'm just angry right now. I'm angry and here's why it occurred to me that I don't want pity sports. I don't want Oh there's nothing going on so let's come up with another match. We've already seen this before in my opinion was that I'm okay with nothing until there's something we what's a pity sport. A pity sport is an NBA Horse. Competition a pity. Sport is drugged up interest for match that. We've already seen endorsed into quarterbacks to make it entertaining I don't mean creation of Con- sports content because we don't have any. I'm willing to wait. Who is not the way that they played horse? That was not a pity sport. That was bored people allowing us to watch what they normally would do together. Anyway I is. We're GONNA do that together. Second of all wines with all four practices because the NBA thought people were clamoring for the NBA. Yeah we are for the NBA. Not Virtual shooting on a court. Well why don't you guys outside in their at their house a guy would do. But it's virtual when it's when it when it's done pursuant to buy a phone like the NFL draft it's virtual but it was still kind of fun to watch. It was more for. At least it was more fun. You know what I would say was not fun. That Another one in concept seemed. Awesome in reality. Was horrible in sucked. It was watching the NBA players play NBA Two K. That's what I'm saying. That right there is. Here's the thing in theory in theory awesome. Why because guys sitting down like if they play like my kids play or if they play like guys are playing call of duty. Yeah they're talking smack but no one was talking and it didn't seem like the play. It didn't seem like what we were watching matched up with what they were saying right so that that part wasn't good in theory that's a great idea is fantastic and good actually going out implying golf is. I think there are ways. There are ways that the match part Dua could could have been really really good. I'm not excited about. I'm just not I know I'm not I come. I feel later. Here's what here at the museum analogy here. You know when you're just down in someone's trying to kick you while you're down and you almost get like a sympathy something or other right like just you know it. It almost feels like it's a sympathy play for everybody out there now. It's probably a lot of. It's probably going to go to charity. So there are charitable causes to which I think are all of. Its going to charity one. Yeah but PHANTASM. It's like as we tape this Thursday April thirtieth this day fifty without sports I have come to grips and have closure with the fact that there aren't sports happening for the near future many. This is part of the grieving process. Is I think so please. Don't accept is me with creating stuff list. All wait the coverage that does matches getting his almost angering me. Because I've seen it before. They're trying to throw Saracho on it with a couple of good quarterbacks and make it what it is yeah. I just think I don't necessarily feel like it's that what I feel like it is it is. You won't be the first. We want to be the first sport to be back and teed up because we know all the eyeballs will be on us. If we're the fourth I sport to play and in a business like we are in where nowadays people think being I matters. I'd rather be right correct. You know which is again why people are like man. How come it took y'all so long to come out with such and such 'cause it's like you know what because? I want to be right. I don't want to be the first in half to apologize or just beat the first and be like Yo came up with this and then have stuff wrong like so many times the part that I don't like it's made up is like if you knew tiger versus filled by themselves not wasn't everything that you were hoping it was gonna be. Why peyton manning in? Tom Brady the two great quarterbacks of our generation. But your dad what you're doing is you're grabbing the football audience. So you've taken the biggest audience. We have an American sport which is football at NFL to be exact in your parent with the two biggest names in their respective sport so they want the Gulf. John's to be attracted to Tiger Phil again. Which I'm not because I've already seen that boring play out but then you're hoping to grab football fan with Peyton and Tom and make the number bigger. It's all they're doing. It's a number play okay. But then if that were the case peyton manning hasn't played in a long time but I would anything I would take. Aaron Imagine Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers controversial. Why on the golf course now? Now that we're not we're not. Here's where you're making a mistake. I'm not talking about Peyton. Tom Brady the Golfer. I'm talking about Tom. Brady and Peyton manning the quarterbacks okay. Aaron Rodgers is is too controversial and hasn't done enough to warrant an invite to something like this does nice as I could okay. I don't agree with that but I would say if you're GONNA go with one player Tom Brady. Who's playing right now? Then get another quarterback who's playing right now. I would bet if you looked at numbers. Sure Sport track or someone has this. I would bet that peyton. Manning is still one of the top five. Nfl doors in the world. Or Yeah I would agree with that. Big will that means that says that he still very much in the in the public eye. Okay but then also means you're blatantly going just for corporate look then so right. That's WHO's good. I'm not yeah you know but now you've lost her ninety work your way through. Why just don't have any interest in this and it's a good segue to thinking all right. Well you just said it. The match wanted to be I because then in two weeks following that or we can have following that is the projected start with the PGA tour season. Mid June and company which banquets bag of issues. Let's start here okay. All right so have you now. Because you're in step three of your grieving process you've come to terms with there are no sports. Now Hang on the peace with it and are you at peace. Now with no fans being at sporting events for the first few when we get back. Nope I don't understand how how come I tripled down on sportscenter time ripple down on sportscenter after I interviewed Who Was Mario Cristobal Oregon head coach? Oh is that ordubad. I had four drawn on sports at with as you wear. Lsu T shirt as we're doing this guy threat before the bed was upset with you right now. Probably just delete you from his contacts but knowing the way that your phone looks union. Have his phone number anyway. The second one day I do show you my Rolodex like damn what all well no matter rolodex whore. I saw double down on it on sportscenter on television after at Osan and I told L. I said I am taking very unpopular approach to this but until we can have fans in the stands no sports none anyway. I don't want to go back down that alley but no so migration process no but anyway as you were so now though fans no sports okay though okay so you haven't come to terms with that so let's start here because there are some things that we are now as we record this five and a half weeks from the point of Goten and nothing has been officially approved yet. There are still lots of meetings in lots of question marks that are going on and both of us have our friends in sources that will not be named. But we're GonNa talk about some things that doesn't make any sense. Where here number one? We're playing with no spectators. Let me ask you a question. Okay are you okay with PGA tour players playing in facemasks? No I'm not either not. I don't think that's a good look. I just don't think it's a good look. I don't think that it is the right if we're not at a point where social distancing is enough echo which they're going to have to do on the golf course with. I understand it will be impossible to police it with fans so I understand not allowing any fans in but for people on the planes zeal to try and do this with a medical mask on. I don't think sends the correct message and from what I understand telling the tour trying to tell players that they're going to have to wear face masks while they're on the golf course for five hours in here by the way it's hot in. Yeah I was GONNA say in one hundred degree heat. I'm pretty sure there's GonNa be some hell to knows. Okay so stay there for a second because that gets into in Michael. What we're going to kind of weave the conversations. We had with respect to people who are in on these conversations. So that's step one the mask situation. I will take it to buy situation out here in Connecticut or my golf club is open They're adhering social protocols but my dopey ass is playing golf with a couple of people. Social distancing were walking. And we're not wearing masks so if we are doing it with probably more people like the mask thing to me is a joke either. Do it right or don't do it at all. That's one to from the conversation I had with someone. We'll get into the the the laid out plan as it sits but this person was telling me that they hadn't as of Monday or Tuesday was today Thursday. So Tuesday or Wednesday hadn't come to a decision on player caddying action so I can speak to that a little bit from my sources and this is another. Here's where here's a good one if you thought golf was slow before thinking how long this is. GonNa take now. Here's the interaction. You are the player on the caddy. Okay when you want to take a golf club from the bag I have to sit the back down and get six feet away from the golf bag. You Take the club out of the golf bag after you hit the shot when you set the club next to the bag. I now not only have to clean the club. I'm already asked to disinfect. The whole club. I'm already out. I also caddy. Have to disinfect. The flag every flag every hole so after the first hole. Will you hit the driver? I gotTA disinfected driver before I put it back in the bag and now we stay six feet apart we get to the fairway. I gotta get away from you. You pull you pull. The club. Hit Shot I cleaned the club. Disinfect the whole club quarterback in a bag when we get to the green when I pulled a flagstick out after the whole completed gotta disinfect the flag and put it back in cardiology. Those Rounds Gonna. Take. I wish that we were allowed being Disney in. Espn employees to give our actual feelings on this whole decides that this whole pandemic in general but we can't and we won't but if here here's how you solve that at the players don't like it then don't do it give them a pushcart no caddies. No caddies required. Though you know what again I law required guess what happens with bylaws under unprecedented circumstances you can make a tweak here and there we've already tweets the way we live probably forever we can tweak two caddies for a couple of weeks until it doesn't work and then they all figure out a way but just give him pushcarts. No caddy's got what doesn't work either. Why well because some of the some of the pushcarts will end up in lakes? It's they'll get me wrong I would watch it thin but because again you watch pushcarts or hit six feet white hit six feet white pink white. Sometimes it feels like that happens anyway. Play their vet. I know I would rather watch this. Six feet in white and tell is going to have to. He's going to have the bleak this out but this is what this is. What one player said to me? Actually two players said the same thing at some point. We're going to get off the pot correct. So it's GonNa be a risk some at some point no matter what. And that's not gonna be able to be a hundred percent mitigated no matter what gasol with that that right there is where I'm at with everything off to offers. That said that though one of them also said this though the smarter move for the PGA tour would be to just wait one more month. Let let's see how the reopening goes with some of these places and let's see what the reaction is and then if there is any repercussions from doing that and they asked that good to go. We come back in a month and it's like it's you've we're going to go no fans but we're going to go. The may ask your your extra month to July them go into July right go into July and then this is what the player was saying. Go into July. And it's like we're GONNA do some social distancing but the interaction between player and caddy is is GonNa be very similar to what it was except you know maybe I understand. Disinfecting the flagstick. Because that's going to be but the player caddy are the only two interacting with the club. That'd be like every time you have dinner with your wife. You gotTA disinfect the floor after every if you give her a bite of food like yeah. I already did it well. So the dog. Not The way she's got carte blanche right. Why not the fans in July? Why why if you sell? Because it goes we will still because we will still be social distancing and it at a golf tournament at see. Here's the here's how at a stadium. You can still social distance you. Can you can still yes you can. You can sell a certain amount of tickets. Well that's true. Yes but the space between people and the amount of tickets that you sell you. Can you can change those. Did at a golf tournament. Yes but the problem. There isn't seating at golf tournaments. But if you saw eighty thousand tickets to colonial sell forty thousand yeah but no the problem is those forty thousand people are not static. Their walkers wrong with groups and if they did get a coin forty thousand dollar stadium in a forty SAR. Let's say there's a stadium that has sixty thousand and you sell twenty thousand tickets right right so all. The seats that are sold in that are going to have spectators there. It's very easy to distance them from one another and it's also very easy to distance. Here are the mark spots it on the concourses. If you're getting food or if you WANNA get go to the bathroom maybe at the concourse you don't even sell food so in in in these extreme situations you can social distance. What you can't. Police is if tiger woods plays plays are. Let's say he does. Let's say he plays Hartford. You cannot social distance if you go what we're only selling forty thousand tickets instead of eighty thousand. Can't tell those forty thousand only two hundred can walk with tiger. Well no what you do is well first of all you could socially distance in the grandstands because there are seats. Golf tournaments you. Could you could do sitting protocol and grandstands right. But you don't have forty thousand seats in grindstone's no you don't but I would rather forty thousand. People spread out over an enormous golf course in their hands at. This is what I'm telling you you look. Yes they a lot of them. There will be either because that's yes the big. Why do you think here's the deal? Why do you think they grew big name guys together? 'cause IT'S EASY FOR PATTERNS OF PEOPLE. It's easy for traffic FLOW ON THOSE RANDOM NAME. Draw to the half. They used to try and lie and say that. Oh it's all computer generated really for fifteen years tiger and Phil never played together on the same way. Yeah Okay Yeah. How much did you so that bridge in Brooklyn Force now? Got A better deal on ocean front property in Arizona. It was. I'll tell you quakes happening tight tight. Osce many gutsy right on that fault line. But that's the whole. This is what I don't understand. Now there is some. Here's an interesting thing that that I am starting to dig into just a little bit. That actually would be cool for us. There are ways to mitigate and really minimize what players would have to do socially and travel wise. That would make things safe. Because here's part of the issue that they still are having with somewhere like Texas. The plan was or is which the players are still like what they want to put all the players and caddies in one hotel warranty in a hotel right right but before they get to the hotel. The tour according to sources is going to send them testing kit to be tested. This why why tests before you get on an airplane. Because you can't even you well a lot of them want to drive that you can't even get. You can't even make your way to Fort Worth until you've tested negative. Here's an there and what they plan is GonNa. They're gonNA test every single day. So what does the then? But here's why that all goes out the window. Great you're putting two hundred eighty eight guys in a hotel and you're gonNA and the other thing that that has been talked about is all the food is going to be bringing to them. They can't go out once you're in there you're in there right coarser backup. Who's working to hotel? Are you gonNa Tell Hotel Workers? Are you testing them every single day or did they have to be quarantined? There to check you can't so's you can't force someone to work twenty four hours six. So that means you got three shifts of workers that now what you quarantine them. You're not letting them go home. You're not even if you give them a mascot that even if you do it's still you that's not a bad look because all it takes is one. All it takes is one. One wasn't all before everyone yells at main gets on at me and says he has berry says this about the corona virus on that. I'm just like what do we do when it's infectious disease? And when it's a severe flu season what do you mean what do we do? What are we doing how we playing tournaments? How are we travelling? How are we stayed in hotels are? That's one of those bleeping off or get off the pot but here's the difference and I'm not comparing that you I'm just saying both very sick. Die From it off no well. The problem is numbers. That's why this is so much different than where everyone says. It's getting the flu. No it's not it's no not. Usa people who don't understand people who try to who say look man everybody should just go out and catch it because it's like getting the flu and we'll get. Yeah but it's not my point is. The flu is still severe enough in terms of annual deaths and people who get it that were still put ourselves in harm's way during that time of year anyway which hits back which gets me back to my epiphany. I am O K with the fact that nothing's going to happen for the time being because I don't WanNa listen and talk about all of this where your hotel your testy your quarantining going from the hotel. To the course. Put your shoes on in the parking lot. You're not near you and ask the locker room access other. You know what the other thing that. I still haven't heard that anyone's talking about two of the most popular the two most popular spots on tour. Yeah are the pre stretched trailers. Yes the to physio trailers out. That are only two. I don't I'M GONNA assume there's those aren't going to be there no more. What about manufacturing trucks? So you're getting out the car putting your shoes on what you're GONNA do. A couple of jumping jacks and go to the T. How is the practice teague? GonNa work do so if you finish around if your first off you get to the chorus first thing in the morning and you get warm up go play. Does grace our you warming up about on the players out there? Well that's the thing in the morning wave like if your first off there's not a ton of guys out there but my question is now let's say you you shoot to over as your first round and you were six over but something kind of clicked on the back nine. You Wanna go work it out. Are you allowed to? Because now the afternoon guys warming up and they're not ready to go play and now by all of these morning guys now WanNa do their cool down session. How's that GONNA work? Are you in Washington all the balls? Are you the disease player? Get One bag of them. And that's it. Here's a great one as a caddy that I just thought of two with no locker room access you know in the morning before you go play gotta Yes some coffee and get them goods activate my team. You've got your routine. Yeah where's everyone going to activate their gluts if they're not a clubhouse the colonial clubhouse locker rooms closed the Locker Room Corta John. How you disinfect. The net from each a one story back in the day Hartford back in the day. No caddy access allowed in. Loughry at all tiers IRV. You almost got arrested. And Omar in the hunt on a Sunday going late. I get to the golf course. I gotta go bike and so- Omar's like come on man walking me off the two in so I got to get their security guy. Can't go in there. Almost like just let him just got to go to the bathroom. Come right. Nope sorry can't go in there. So I'm like Brian. You I'm not going porta-john you don't go in a porta-john and you ain't even cleaned by me standing here security guard and so I was like I'm right here in the bush and he got so he was like if you even unzip your going to jail so I was like. Oh we got all. Mark gives me two keys to the courtesy car. Leave in the courtesy car. The torque courtesy car drive two miles to a hotel. Use the bathroom in their lobby and drive back. Meet Omar on the putting green with two minutes before our teatime as we walk up to all because they wouldn't let nowadays nowadays the CADDY's actually get to use the bathroom always wanted toilet that flushes. You know what I'm saying. You know what the Blue Class BRATS played so nowadays carries in Hartford get to use. The tennis courts bathrooms over. Yeah it's it's just look you know as much as what now because it is somebody going to go into porta-john disinfect that every time as Yeah well these are questions. That is literally shitter. Get off the pop. Yes yes well. You got to get off the pot. The question is when you bleeping. Who's wiping apart? Because there's a line now those now. It sounds like you come over to my side. You've had your pithy live a maddening to caddy. Look all of this is all of this worth it. No I don't I don't know the locker thing like how I don't I just those but here. Here's my opinion at least for what's different about golf than other sports football. If if you need be loaded team on the plane first thing Sunday morning you fly when you get off the plane. There's a clay. A transportation on bus on the tarmac. Takes you to the stadium. You play in your out. I mean ask you a question but hold on work. Football IS A. You're making contact with the opponent in your player can wear wear masks. They wear gloves medication. It don't matter tax. Loves on your passing it to one player. Turn so you're going to quarantine or whole fifty three man roster will everybody got they got facing you. Say you spend this all the way. It is not gonNa work until we all just either. Embrace it or wait is my point for travel on the PGA tour. That will knock out airline that knockoff airline travel end the problem with hotels and I literally just found out about a program that's happening. Rv's echina- think about back in the day. Like in the fifties and sixties seventies dudes all caravan anyway all ED so now imagine player in caddy on of RV bus. You know what I mean and you just go from place to place now. You won't have to worry about packing and unpacking. 'cause he's got. Washer and dryer on them. You don't have to worry about going out to restaurants because you now go to grocery store get your food for the week you prepare it and you know it's clean because you're the only person touching it you know. I mean like you don't have to worry about hotel rooms and cleaning services because all it's all your stuff you're the person is there and so it's not sound driving it so either caddy or player can take shifts or the program that I found out about is. There's a service where you're just a passenger. It's right got a driver. Who's the driver come in contact with yet? But you have one driver or two drivers that your fulltime guys so you only got to worry about one person instead of instead of worrying about a shift of people that are working on the carts to clean rooms and doing the like instead of worrying about One Guy. Two guys may look after the Athlete Million Times. I was like David we retire. We're going to spend a of money on a super. Rv and drive the country. I'm GonNa go live GonNa five days five days a week at a different state. We're GONNA live in a state for one month. A friend of mine as she did it with Canadian guy bought an RV and so this house in him and his wife they. That's what they did. They just traveled around and then they had two kids so they would do like a month or two with one kid in a month or two with the other kid and in those months than they would rent their RV out and so by renting it out they paid for pretty much for the year and then the rest of those ten months or the rest of his eight months. I should say They were in the RV just travelling around playing golf having a good time so if anyone out there owns an RV company or know someone who does we will go. I've aren't that's I was talking to route. I got worry. We'll do a matting. Rv Tour Well. Hey if it works out for the Americas caddies show potentially at daddy like Yale nope either. You're with us or you're against us. You get go branch out deer. You're on solo album. I mean you can but denied that puts an end to this. Come on man. Don't be look I'm just saying you you can either being in sync. You can be Justin Timberlake now. All right off the rather be timberlake simulated. I you know what I mean like so collins. They you know they do. You know I to. That's fine. You just go ahead and branch out why you know what I mean. Why can't we still do stuff together? But it's not twenty four seven what you do what you gotTa do you go again. Don't be now. You're back to step to back to dial known as more made instead four. Now you just angry. I've got so we lined up all the logistical issues of the PGA returning before we get out of here. I did ask you a very important question. How's home schooling going or not good? I tried I tried to suspend my two students. Actually I did suspend them and I tried to expel him but the neighbors won't take them up. Caught drinking on the job the principles come on to me and now I will find a case on her or not harassment. So all the I can and I tried to quit last Friday inning got told. I still was expected to be at work on Monday. What subjects are you teaching? I gotta I gotTa help with everything I do. Not when you say. Figure out the area of the shaded rectangle shaded parts Don't what's no no not dual-use asked me like the parts of a sentence? The predicates do or like to pass the functionality of the past tense predicate thing. What's No nope. How much would if I said right now? I need you to give fifteen percent of your salary to your kids. Teachers do it fifteen. Oh more than that BRA OUTTA debt two trillion dollar package. A trillion should've went to teachers in schools to open back up. That's number one. Ask any any parent out there who is now having to be put in a situation where there to teacher. You like how much you want. I'll much either. So this'll be another thing. I fully admit that we don't have kids so I don't have kids rocket Atkins So this is coming from someone who has no clue. I'll let you rent mine your lease option to buy but I like someone with me. Someone like may use an outsider. You know looking into your stress problems. Here's another thing I don't understand lice. Imperative going to yell at me when I hear this just punt on school for the year. Like just driving you nuts. You clearly aren't smart enough to teach America's youth just just like what are we doing with? This is one of the things that's been discussed to is like. Just call a time out on the year but the problem is then. Are you gonNa tell universities that you don't have a freshman class coming in trump saying if you if you just punt and then 'cause they do a lot of the reading reading on this but a lot of the universities today a lot of Texas state of Texas universities that they are Napster? Come back in the fall for fall semester there are campuses around the country that are making that announcement they fully plan on coming back in the fall. I just don't I got a buddy of mine that I play without here in Connecticut. And the virtual schooling and it's a. It's a tire fire. Well here's yet. This is the problem that I'm going through so I got a junior high school students and a fifth grader. Who's hopefully going into junior high? The junior high student has one class a day for an hour so English Monday Spanish on Tuesday math on so it's one hour. My fifth grader has three sometimes four Zun classes online and then I literally got I printed them out one day. I got seventeen. Pages of e mails worth of work for a fifth grader to do on his own. When it is here in Florida in Gainesville it was eighty one degrees without a cloudy sky and the ipads the school ipads were completely unlocked. So you telling a fifth grader. No Youtube videos even though Youtube. Is there like what are you? And now you're asking me as a parent who hated school myself and now I'm supposed to be the motivating like are you. What am I paying you for like? I don't understand one of the one of the teachers for the Junior. High class literally came on for two minutes and asked a bunch of seventh graders. Thirteen seventh graders. Do you guys have any questions? Do you know any thirteen year old. Who WOULD DO. Hey me in front of all my friends who I haven't seen in person forever right an also going through puberty. Hey you guys I got a question. I'm not as smart as on pretending to be. There was not one question and the teacher dipped two minutes. Two minutes is an hour class once a week to miss a okay by keep doing what you gotTa Punt You. GotTa punt found. No lie liquor. Stores were considered essential. Keratin dads they opened. And the only thing I would say if I were a parent out there and I'm GonNa direct this you which you need to do. Is You need to come up with a Mr Miyagi type training system where you're not teaching them. The shaded area subject predicate teach them lifestyle goateed. You Wash Cars Mo- lawns teach them life stuff with that's why I put them in the school that they're now legal thing that they don't have to endure. What makes you much? You don't make make your entire house and escape room and haven't figured out so that actually will that actually would be kind of fun except you understand. Both my boys were started breaking windows to get out like you WANNA. They figured it out. Well Yeah but you're not gonna they don't have a job to pay for them windows they but then they're gonNA find a way in a phone book not the Internet to find a window repair place. When's the last time you even saw phone book? You know what make it a project? What making a phone book? No find one. They don't make them anymore. Find One. There's no what I would let me ask you if you found the phone book. If you were some way home number one it would either be in a time capsule or in a library which are not allowed to go to but any phone numbers in there. We'll be like and here's this rotary phone. And what does that now? I do make them go. Outside and explore by. They are forced to go outside. I'd say diepen identified trees flowers. Birds Lizards. I couldn't tell you if they were wrong. You're the herpetologist Snakes Lizards Turtles. We got plenty of turtles into politics back home to a project with it. Yes and try not to get bit. Don't bring stuff home. Kill one. Indict SAC look both air. You WanNa hear some great. How both the squirrels gotten since got the feeder. Now that they can't get into this morning one of them whole through the screen on the back porch again. They going through stuff. Make it a project for the kids. Yeah build me a squirrel trapped in just. Don't WANNA own fingers out because right now? The squirrels are the Alpha's in your neighborhood. Not you order. Not or they're not no because when I walk out they don't stand there and be like what you want. I was letting me run. They drop their ACORNS and be like I'm here. I know you know acorns. Here's your peanuts right in front of my humble corn Tang and come to Squirrel Cova Tina policy. How bad you want to end it for today. So long story short the match the epiphany except do her. We'll figure it out. We are getting day fifty of no sports. Who's counting next week? We'll be just as fun along slid Matt Berry in stage. Four of grief of next sportscenter Tuesday Wednesday Friday. 'cause THEY'RE SPLITTING. Us UP SO I'll be back on sports center next week. Okay good so see. You'll feel better because you have a lot more stuff to do correct because it's forty three and raining here in the northeast. I can't even get out and play. Today they go. Can I suggest one thing for you? Yeah Lobi now man. It looks good. I don't like when when college started this. This pod by skype. Today we were both wearing glasses. I know I was. I took mine off. Yeah I look smart when I came on. You know what I put. I put the glasses on now if I have to do something serious. It's like when Oprah puts a hair up when over puts her hair up. You ought is going to be a serious show with big about wearing them on sportscenter one day. Yeah when I'm doing like a serious conversation with somebody I'm GonNa take them off and do the Brian. Point with the glasses in my hand in a second if football is the economic engine. Why can't we make it work? That's the question then. I'll put the glasses. Don't put it back on what you gotTa do is as then when they answer. Yeah on one of the now. Oh you're thinking about their answer. Now this dude. He added hands-off fight corncob students genius. Look at us. Travel One eyeglass at a time for the county college Mattie this has been mad he in the caddy podcast listening to the caddy. Checkout more great. Espn podcast on the ESPN APP. Apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Mattia the CADDY.

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"Sweet Home Alabama" (2010 Auburn Tree Poisoning Scandal)

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"Sweet Home Alabama" (2010 Auburn Tree Poisoning Scandal)

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I've never told this story before because just like disclaimer. Just don't just doing judge here because what I'm about to tell. You is just dedicated. Sports Fan you know so we there were no tickets left Racha. There were no tickets left for the final in Oakland game seven. That's fine game. Six actually ended game sakes all right. I had to go there. We had a good chance of winning this when everyone was injured. And these lovely gentlemen who were much older me and my sorry but my judgment. I put it came on. No no no not yet not yet. Okay these lovely gentlemen offered US Hotel Room not with them a separate one and tickets to the game and there were like we just WanNa come with you guys. You guys are crazy. Toronto fans we just wear your highest heels in your town it sounding so bad. They were very nice. Nothing was Caribbean about it. They just wanted to spend an afternoon with two lovely young women that they did hope that they're not listening because I'm very grateful experience. It wasn't weird at all. Okay wasn't creepy. No it definitely doesn't sound creepy. It was a lot of fun and sometimes you have to make sacrifices and hang out with old guys for an entire weekend because then you get to go and watch your team win the first of all no judgment but lots of making fun like I absolutely get it. You literally got to watch Leonard. Win a championship for your team and your city. I got to watch all of it. That's amazing I sobbed on an old man shoulder. It was great. I can't wait to uncover a picture of what you were to that game so I never show you. Well listen I hate to break it to you? But that story doesn't even come close to die hard college football fans in this country. Honestly I can buy that. I have heard some crazy things wild stories. And that's kind of like where we're going today. Great College Football Country. Ready to go so across the US but especially in the southeastern conference or SEC. College football is like the rage. I mean it's everything as a fan of the Ohio State Buckeyes in the big ten which is also a huge football conference the Midwest is not like the Midwest dozen love their football but I gotta hand it to college fans in the south. It's next level. Here's a quote from famed Alcorn State Football Coach Marino case. Some that I think sums it up. Well incidentally he just passed away but he lived a very long big life he said on the East Coast. Football's a cultural experience in the Midwest. It's a form of cannibalism on the West Coast. It's a tourist attraction and in the South football is a religion and Saturday is the holy day. Wow because I'm never going to the mid West right over that that's amazing so within the SEC. Perhaps no state hits fever pitch quite like Alabama and the fabled rivalry between. It's too big universities. Auburn and the University of Alabama. Oh Yeah Yeah. Big Deal in the book. Rammer Jammer Yellowhammer author Warren Saint. John followed the giant community of our viewers who follow the Alabama Crimson tide from game to game across the South during the college football season. Okay so let's break that down real quick so he is like a group of groupies that they travel. They must live in their views. Like half of the half of the year because they play every single weekend. Correct I mean. I don't know the length of their stilettos or the tightness of their those tickets. But we know that they're committed. I'm sure they would wear whatever they needed to wear. I'm with you on that. I think you can relate. I'm imagining myself as Julia. Roberts in pretty woman right now you like go to the ticket booth where you tried to get a ticket and now you're with these old dudes in your tank top and you're like big mistake. Huge huge mistake. I am the biggest pair amazing anyway. Weren't saying John in the book says that ninety percent of Alabama citizens describe themselves as college football fans. He said to understand what an absolute minority non fans are in Alabama considered this. They are outnumbered by atheists which probably don't exist in the south exactly damn girl. Everybody is a college football. Fan and Alabama. That's amazing so some background on these universities Auburn Alabama. Famous names on the Bama side. There's Paul Bear Bryant Hall of Fame Coach For thirty seven years. Who led the team to six national and thirteen conference championships? Joe Nemeth maybe. You've heard of him one of the best quarterbacks to play of all time on the Auburn side. There's Joe Heisman who literally heisman. Statues named after the Heisman is the statue given to the best player in college football every year. And Mr Bo Jackson remember that guy. No Big Bono's Point being these schools are all about their history and their tradition. The pre and post game rituals are hardcore like unwavering. These FANS ARE BANANAS. Like they don't just wear tank tops in high heels. They go all out. Just go naked your opinion terrible picture. I think we all get it girl. Everybody has their thing. They would put on heels and a tank top to get fish eggs. No Bra everybody has their thing in Alabama thousands of fans lined up two hours before the game so that when the team gets off the bus goes into the stadium they can like cheer them on. And greet them and scream. It's called the walk of champions. They do it every game. And at every game. The band plays Thunderstruck Sweet Home Alabama and Dixieland Delight. And they go bananas. It's so fun seeing every word. I'm sure yeah. That sounds fun. Yes you get it so. At Auburn University. One of their big things is Tumors Corner O. T. O. M. E. R. Dot. Yeah just just no I get it. I saw your eyes and I knew it was good to clarify so tumors corner is an intersection in the heart of Auburn Alabama. Where for almost a century? There's been a tradition of students fans and locals gathering to rule tumors corner which is basically the power lines and trees that stand around to celebrate. Anytime Auburn has a big victory. That sounds dangerous and that sounds like a firehouse church. It's not nothing to pick those things up after. Yeah I bet. It's not these fans but let me tell you why it started. Apparently back in the day tumors drugs. The Neighborhood Drugstore House the only telegraph in Auburn and back then when there weren't TV's in radio when way football games happened the only way that fans could find out what happened is from the Telegraph Tumors Drugs and when Auburn won the employees of the drugstore withrow tickertape onto nearby trees and power lines. And that's how fans would know. And that's how that tradition of keeping started is a big deal. The annual game between Alabama Auburn is called the Iron Bowl. This is because up until nineteen ninety eight. Every game was played in Birmingham Alabama. Which is the country's top iron and steel producers? Insist civil war and I feel like. Has anyone ever told a story about the civil war there? Any story IDEA ANYTHING. That comes out. That doesn't go back to this. No no this sounds everything centers around that. Yup It's unfortunate anyway. The Iron Bowl is also an APP name because it represents well the hardnosed intense nature of the rivalry. Which is chock full of last minute victories? Painful losses big time players and gritty. Tough Down Home American football. Ya Yes. Girl are felt like we needed A. We're in the south after all and for today's story we're going to take a little voyage to the two thousand ten iron ball. Take yourself back a decade versus Alabama. It's Game Day November. Six two thousand ten or the most intense rivalry in all of college football. This point in the season. Auburn is eleven. Now and Rick second in the country point once a year the southern enclave but outcome resonates for three hundred sixty five consecutive days in and around the state camera is nine and two ranked eleventh in the country a brother versus brother Battle of wills defining families and loyalty. Rv's we talked about been tailgating for lakes in the parking lot Alabama. The defending National Champs relegated the scorn of this year for the chance to ruin Auburn's dream season like super meaningful game with big national championship implications one St Meeting the seventy five in the game known simply as the Iron Bowl Game Starts Alabama right off. The Bat makes a huge statement in the first quarter of scoring three touchdowns just like that too by mark. Ingram and Julio Jones who are now as you know big time players in the NFL so halfway through the Second Quarter Alabama's up twenty four to zero as a giant lead Bama fans are like I feel great. I'm feeling good so glad I got here. We go to tailgate. But then Auburn Star quarterback Mr Cam Newton is like well not so fast and as we know Cam Newton is also a big time player in the NFL now so he steps up in the second quarter towards the end. And through the thirty six yard touchdown ending the shutout. The teams go into the half with Bama still up twenty four to seven still a commanding lead. But at least it's not a show but then just fifty six seconds into the second. Half Cam Newton seventy yard touchdown all of a sudden the scores twenty four to fourteen to feel the momentum shifting so toward the end of the third quarter Cam bulldozes into the end zone running the ball in from one year himself. Auburn has pulled into within three points. Bama's only up twenty four to twenty dollars. Then they score field giving them a twenty seven to twenty one lead a little bit of breathing room but has great quarterbacks. Do Cam Newton delivers again. In the final forber fourth touchdown of the Game Auburn makes the extra phrase of all of the turmoil. And they were me the biggest rivalry in college for to twenty eight twenty two twenty seven after being down quite twenty four points you know what they call it. Rachel. The Cam back. Oh okay. So Bama fans are devastated. I mean they definitely thought they had it in the bag. First of all and second Obama Fan. So they're just crushed none more so than Alabama superfan Harvey Uptake Junior. I cannot wait to tell you about this dude but I owned hall of shame is brought to you by light stream. Are you paying more money and interest than you need to on your credit cards? Refinance your debt today with a credit card consolidation loan from livestream quickly role balances multiple credit cards into one single monthly loan payment. I love this. Yes yes as low as five point. Nine five percents. 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So much so that. He named his kid after him. Literally his son is named Bear Bryant. It gets worse. Oh he also named his other kid crimson tide. No tied spelled T. Y. And I just WANNA I just want to say that's probably a girl. And how many period jokes is that girl fielding? Okay we need to stop this podcast right now. We need to stop down and just pay our respects to crimson tide and crimson tide t wide D. E. Oh my Lord this poor girl this poor woman now. It's like her version of Johnny Cash. Is Boy Name? Seal girl named Crimson tide update. There's no cool way. Oh Hey girl. Hey girl was your name Crimson. So bad thruth point is Harvey Update is very very serious about his Alabama football so much so that he would ruin his children's lives so good for him so anyway. Harv that weekend is feeling real emotional about the loss. So he decides to drive thirty miles from his home in Danville Alabama to tumors corner in Auburn to pay a visit to those oak trees and those power lines also but the oak trees in particular that the Auburn fans. We talked about adore. And it's like the pride of Auburn Football. And he goes there and he takes his revenge on Auburn very lethal dose of Spike. Add F which is tree poison. Basically onto the around the trees just for some context. That is five hundred times. The amount of herbicides needed to actually kill the trees like He. What a petty Dude Patty Bitch. That's I guess passion. Also no no I guess. Never tell me the women who are emotional. Yeah this is the most hysterical man I've ever come across so he's so upset about a loss that he goes on to initiate. What ends up being a very slow in silent death for these oak trees from poisoning because tree deaths are so. His grime goes unnoticed for weeks. Because it's a tree or trees plural and no one caught him during and no one suspected anything. But you know our dude harv clearly is an emotional and prideful guy. And he can't help himself so on January twenty seven two thousand eleven two months after the game and his poisoning of the trees. He calls in to the Paul Finebaum show which is in Alabama College Football Radio Show. Paul Finebaum is referred to as the king of the south. And he's known to have callers with like color opinions so it's sort of like he's like Howard Stern. But for Obama football sure as New Yorker says there are two types of people in Alabama those who listened to find bomb and those who were liars meaning like everybody in Alabama knows finebaum point being harvey knows if he calls into this show and tells them about the trees. Y- everyone in Alabama will hear it because this fucking guy. Well let me tell you what I did weekend. After the Iron Bowl I went to Auburn Alabama Khalil thirty miles away poison to tumors trades under the pseudonym. Al From Dade Ville. He admits to poisoning historic oak trees in tumors corner with spike eighty eighty deal. I mixed it with water and put it. In Milk Jugs I had to milk jugs for each tree. Do what did they die? They're not there yet but they they definitely will desert against the law to this dude poisonous tree. Give or take care okay. I really don't many signs off with Rhodium tied rule. Damn tied wow. He was just so impatient he could not wait for these trees to collapse. Herat he'd been waiting he'd been waiting. I'm sorry but why didn't he just use chainsaw? Why didn't you just call them down interesting? I wonder if it's because it's like somebody would hear chainsaw. I wonder if he enjoyed the slow like every day. He checked the news and he's like I wonder if today's the day someone's big. The Oak trees are dying. And I'll be like I did it and it didn't happen so he's like I gotta take this in my own hand. Call Joe Everyone. Yeah but an Auburn Fan listening alerts. The school and the school sends soil samples from around the tree to a lab and two weeks later. The results come back for spike. Adf which Confirms Harvey Story. And they're like okay so the person. Al From Dade Bill was not lying he poisoned. These trees and Auburn fans are crush so they paid tribute at the side of the oaks with decorations and messages. Please God save the trees and yet will soon go well soon which I was like tree. It's two trees that they can't read. Let me just but in here and say Auburn fans are full of Shit because every single weekend they harass and vandalize these trees in the first place throwing shared on their branches hanging on peeing on them. Who knows what they've done? Yeah you know what great pulling this tree was probably like you know what Bermuda poison. I'm ready to die. Miserable is an environmentalist. He was just doing what the trees needed. Yes put them out of their misery. You Go Green. He says well Harvey is also not the brightest bulb in the bunch because very easily police traced the call back to him and he was arrested on one count of get this first degree criminal mischief. That's like cute. He sounds like Dennis. The menace that makes him sound cuter than he is. What second degree and third degree. That's like if you put a banana in someone's tailpipe. I don't know why they're degrees of criminal mischief. Which all sound pretty behind. Try that on my worst enemy but that guy poisoning a tree is not an adorable crime. I'll say that so. His defense attorney said that Harvey was mentally competent enough to stand trial but would continue to pursue the insanity defense because of his mental health during the time of the incident. It's like over you temporarily insane due to being a sore loser I mean. Is that valid. I don't know he later told. Cbs News that he obsessively plan for the crime for a month. Which means just so. We're clear he was planning to do this whether they lost or won. Wow then you can't plead insane while this is happening because this is like a thought out a thought out being yes you thought about it. He literally said he stayed up all night. Long for weeks devising his plan which I'm sure was like amazing for his wife and bear Bryant Junior and Little Crimson. I'm picturing Harvey having this whiteboard with stick figure of a tree and like an ex-soviet like that's the amount of planning he did ham holding a milk jug. Yeah crayons yeah. What's like the planning that? Why why did you stay up all night dude? I could have done this in five minutes. Thank you can do that on a post it well. This guy named his daughter Crimson tide. Don't forget we are two years later. He pleads guilty to felony criminal damage of an agricultural facility and receives a six month jail sentence with five years probation he was also ordered to pay eight hundred thousand dollars solution to the Auburn University. That's I get that they're angry but that's a lot of money it really is. This should is so big in the south. I guess but that just reflects how much they cared about. These trees trees do not cost eight hundred thousand dollars. It's wild I. We don't know to historic oak trees. We don't know what do we know about? What trees costs speak for yourself? I know a lot about harvey didn't learn his lesson of course for him being sentenced during his time in jail he was signing autographs. Like this was in jail signing autographs. I feel like my first thought is that if Harvey is going to jail you know he's GonNa be surrounded by all these guys like. Oh what did you do killed my family. What did you do? I killed trees but they. He was probably worshipped. I would imagine there's some mega Bam you're like. Oh Dan this guy's crazier than all of us. The one who kill the trees in tumors corner? He's the boss of the jail now. Yeah this rivalry lives on across Alabama even jail. Wow even in jail. They take this shit so in October of two thousand nineteen just this past fall. Harvey was put on trial once more this time for failing to GIVE FULL RESTITUTION TO AUBURN. So eight hundred thousand. He'd only paid sixty nine hundred. He didn't show but his trial because he was like busy. I Dunno poisoning Cornfield or something out of drying out his next plan. He paid an additional thirty three hundred to avoid jail time. That's a lot of money sucks. So he has to pay that entire thing that means Crimson. Tide probably isn't going to college now either. Bear fucking Dad. Do that sucks. So Harvey's probation recently ended and after being asked Pope cast mobile aries about why he poison the trees he said. I just don't walk all over. Several swirl and I really intruded on locked in Auburn one of I wanted Auburn. People hate me as much eight down there. Now you get it it's like Harvey. I don't catch up. I'm not like poisoning ketchup. Factory what are we doing? Good comparison is that was that a good analogy on harv. That's wild. Is there a team that you hate that much that you would do anything to? I besides like talk trash. I mean there's nothing I've yelled at people before. Sure no there's I I can't imagine any sort of sports situation driving me to kill a bunch of old trees. Wow that's like competitive to a next level I mean yeah that's one word for it this man for no other reason than Fuck Auburn and roll fucking tied decided to destroy an iconic landmark. So do we have an update on the trees. Oh my Gosh Rachel you read my mind. Because of these trees of the trees. Despite the best efforts of the university and Horticulturists they indeed slowly died. The prayers didn't work so this these people who care so much about these trees the administration allowed the community to continue rolling tumors corner through the football season of two thousand twelve. So like they're all devastate. The trees teepee immediately these trees. Can I just say are probably happily living in their afterlife. Intrigue has about to be reincarnated as you know seaweed or something you can live in the Ocean. Stay Faraway football fans so anyway. They continue to teepee until the football season two thousand twelve but after a win that fall the toilet paper caught fire and the aesthetically dead go guys. I told you it was dangerous. Why didn't you listens taff? The last rolling symbolically occurred April twentieth. Two thousand thirteen with AB three thousand attendees. It was an emotional goodbye to a traditional living monument. During the ceremony Auburn Alumni Association President Bill Stone announced. The school would be selling parts of the trees commemorative gifts so these poetries are like. Oh now you're going to chop possessed resin and sell us. Getting better or treat. This is a story of some trees that just WanNa be in peace. Just won't quit. You know it's crazy like sometimes you're on a hike and you'll like stop by a plaque in read. And really interesting person lived here imagine walking by tumors coroner and you read it a plaque says Oh. Hundreds of thousands of people used to flock to this quarter to celebrate football games until somebody poison the trees that would be a wild thing happened upon. It's tough well after this final rolling the fouling Tuesday after this final rolling. The first of the tree was made at seven. Am FANS WATCH BEHIND? Barricades were thought. Unruly police in two thousand fifteen four years after the incident to New South Carolina Groomed Live. Oaks were planted in tumors corner. One of the folks didn't take to the soil so only one ended up being used Jack because that's soil is like the radio active correct girl. Guess what a new vandalism incident occurred to the replacement oak when they were set on fire set on fire following an Auburn win over. Lsu In September two thousand fifteen. Jesus guys what is up with you? These trees did nothing to you. These trees did nothing. They're just standing there. They're just like standing there tired. It's not the trees fault tired. They're just tired of your both have to know Harvey was not the culprit that time but oh my God give. These trees. Auburn shown their cards. Now what they can never have trees because people know what gets them. They need to keep it a secret now. They know what really hurts them like? What really grinds gears? So a second replacement occurred with two new oaks from Florida in February. Two thousand seventeen and a sculpture of one of the tumors original oaks now sits in the Auburn art store. That's cool so yes listen. I love love the Zealous Fan Sports. I love that you were those heels to that raptors game. I love at home. I'm in college. Football is great. I literally used to go to my friend's house every Saturday during college football season and he had like six TV setup and we would just watch for hours from like ten in the morning to six at night. I get it. But there's a limit let's keep nature out of it. I guys are planet is already so screwed. It has to burn down more trees. Yeah if you need to poison something. I don't know. Just find a different way to express your frustrations and your sadness and like violence. Like come on intense is great. But it's supposed to be fun. There's a line here guys. I think I'm going to get shit on for saying this but I feel like people forget that it's just a game and I I'm super passionate but people just take it so know richer. Okay they don't have any pro like professional sports leagues in Alabama's yes there's no. Nfl team no NBA team. No Major League Baseball team and there's not a hockey team so this is it which seems like a poor mistake like I feel like if they had a football team like a NFL team or if they had a basketball hockey team would give them like. Oh my God. Those seats would sell out so quickly. Maybe they wouldn't be poisoning trees. I don't know just one more outlet. Some people link how intense it is get to the south losing the civil war. 'cause girls is it always goes back civil war. That is absolutely fascinating. I love to hear stories about fans and the lengths that they will go to. This is so petty on the level like level. One hundred pettiness. My heart tree really goes out to the woman name Crimson. Tide would love to know if she's changed her name. Yeah would love to know a lot about her. My heart also just genuinely goes out to those trees. That's poetry's Melissa Rachel. I think that the intensity of sports fans ultimately is one of the great things about sports it surely is and I feel like the intensity of fans leads to the intensity on the field. Because like as you're getting traded all the time the fans are the only ones that are there the entire time from the beginning to the end. Yeah they stay with you. Oftentimes the anger and the rivalries on the field are because of the fans. And if we didn't have happy little like Harvey did not people like Harvey would be okay but if we didn't have people that had passion and were you know just like wild about sports. Sports wouldn't be the same. This was a really fun story. Thanks for thanks for bringing us through. I don't WanNa go visit this tree. Site at some point tumors corner. We should go to a college football game in Twenty. Twenty five eleven role. Damn tie rolled in hall of shame is a product of crooked media. The show is produced by Carolina Reston Alison Paul's at our executive producer. 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Rankings: Middle Infield Magic

Fantasy Focus Baseball

44:32 min | 1 year ago

Rankings: Middle Infield Magic

"Doodoo fantasy focus baseball podcast with Cara Bell and craw that's it. I thought you were going to sing manic Monday. Where did you see? What are you seeing? What what's that tune? Wow did you sleep through the nineties? It's either that or I'm just way off key today. I kinda did for music purposes. I did save the nineties. If you WANNA know the truth how long. Everybody knows closing time without that is of course they do. That's sing interest in rob the H in the middle singer Songs Winner Mirror Leagues Young Kospi produces researchers are show called fantasy focus. Baseball it is Monday may mateen twenty twenty I America abroad. Somebody had a host I you know last time you were singing. Came to mind Keats. Quote a thing of beauty is a joy forever and then before the show. I googled Keats to see if he actually said that line. And there's another famous quote from him and that probably works for you. To Sung. Heard melodies are sweet but those unheard are sweeter my work for that when they're little disappointing. You just don't appreciate your nineties music. Well we know my nineties music. Today's show what are we going to do today? I we're GONNA talk about Tristan's recent playbook article on league-wide trains which is cool will delve a little bit into the latest in the simulations at baseball reference who out of the Park Baseball Twenty one and then later on Kyle will read your hashbrowns interested. Who actually wins? His Leagues will answer those questions Let's start off briefly. Some Sim notes here that I noticed about team records or whatever. I'm looking at the leaderboard so we always talk about the players sue. Maybe we should think about late in the draft. I WanNa talk to you now. Tristan about players who were not thinking about saying the first three or four rounds but perhaps we should. Perhaps the simulation loves these people for a reason. And we're just not thinking of men that way you know like if somebody in your league drafted a normal season. One hundred sixty two gamer. Someone who drafted ozzy album around three. We laugh at them. We say no we valued in around five or six. Or whatever he's hitting three seventy two with a ton of doubles and a lot of stuff. I think he's stealing bases scoring runs. There is so he's like third league in runs. Should we be thinking of Ozzy? Albee's as a better player than we value him where we rank them as meaningless. That's just the value. Yeah we should. I actually think we you value him on the higher end of the scale and if it's anything larger than the ten team leagues when you mentioned. Third round might be too late in the fifteen teamers will go in the early part of the third round. I think Albee's is a very good very under a underrated player. Who has a chance to be a top fifteen overall performer? This year on the high end had some very key skills improvements last year. One of the things that bothered me about him during the rookie error or the first major league air was that he really cratered in the second. Half a lot of a lot of the skills regressed but he rebounded in a major way in two thousand nine hundred and I think. Those are sustainable. He's a good balanced categorical guy and we would obviously need stolen bases out of him to make it worth it. In part of the reason I think we discussed him is will he second he has to bat. Second over Danny Swanson. Although sometimes that wasn't the case last year speaking of batting second so I'm watching television right. Now it'd be network game. Three thousand the hundred seventy world series and Marc Bolanger was introduced by the announcer batting third the shortstop Mark Belanger. And I'm thinking Mark Galanter. He couldn't hit house he batting. Second for this world series team they win the world series. He slowed to fifty nine better. That you're to eighteen with a three of three on base. He was easily the worst in Baltimore Line. But he batted second. Anyway go waste is very different. You remember the roll back then. The manager role was the base. Stealer I even. If he wasn't an unbased guy. The second guy was go handles the bat. Well and then the third guy was your batting title candidate and then Your Power Hitter is your Fourth Guy. A formula from well up until one eighty five eighty. Seven Yeah a little bit. Larry still bad second for like the eighty phillies. I think it's well awful awful draft Bowen that phillies draft over the weekend. I remember Let's move on so we like Albee's what about Qatar Morte. And his he interests me for a couple of reason. He's batting three forty eight Decem. He's I don't think he's stealing bases maturing where I would find that. But he's also he's got the most doubles in the League scoring runs and then in our thirty league. Thirty teams simulation spent like three ninety five. Three no we talked about Martin before. Obviously about into the top of Arizona's lineup the better Martha but like Sterling Mortiz. Going before could tell. Marta and I think we discussed this a month ago. Should that happen would have could tell? Morte is not going to regress. I know you mentioned the Thirty Team Sim. And since it's all about teams here. I have to tell Marseille leader in batting average. Three hundred forty four fifty one bay second seven sixty seven slugging second. He's I is tied for first runs. I and it's and you know these are telling me something. And that is that if he can repeat the skill said he showed in two thousand. Nineteen did underperform last year. That's the thing like we we're Syrian. We're assuming regression. Everybody is assuming I think ninety eight percent of people are suing Russian. But what if that was not his peak what could tell? Morte could still offer more. He's a third round. Pick that way. Yeah and kind of like Albee's you know. I can trust against Marseille and I asked myself who would I rather have and part of it has to be that marquette brings me out feel eligibility so that there's flexibility there I would take Tells power stroke over Ozzy? Albee's Ozzy Albie doesn't steal bases. Let's say if he does bet second for the braves and they don't want to give the green light because they have their three four five hitters up and they're going drive is Martin more attractive than I. Yeah it's a good question I it's not that I want to push up in my draft boards but I'm much more apt to draft him. If we were going to do it today then I might have been two months ago so I guess. This'll be like a middle infielder. Show so mentioned always Marseille. What ABOUT BOGUS? Shut TORONTO. He's probably swimming along in forty seven games batting. Three zero two with nine home runs nine steals and nearly as many walks strikeouts and people aren't going to draft him in the first round because he doesn't have enough of a sample size in his career. But what if these better than both morte? And as the album's he's leaning offer a team that's going to score runs that's rile lineup is much better than people. Think Vlad Laura's how's having a monster power season again Randall Grischuk is all power. Drowsy hitting if Boba says leading off. He's on a pace right now for thirty thirty. I mean it's forty seven games. He's on pace for thirty thirty season with a three hundred batting average. And I say as people all the time if you WANNA draft Boba shutting around three even though his values round six go ahead because it's just US ranking players. It doesn't mean we're right. It means you could probably wait around or two to get that's what. Adp kind of means but if you think Bush it is going to be the next Francisco Indoor you take early yeah I around one but should is seeming like a tie. Why and throw around Perea. Why are you GonNa? Why not around one? If you're if you'RE GONNA take this approach of you want player at the player. Why do you have to in round three to me? And this is. The big difference between the auctions and the drafts isn't the auction. I have complete control over this scenario if I think. Boba Shit has the ability to produce first round results. I'm going to outbid you for Boba. Shit in the auction and a draft. You have to make the calculation as to is there another person in the draft who values Boba shed as much as I do which is way beyond his ADP and maybe that means you take them in the third round but if the ADP is telling me he's at eighth or Ninth Round Pick? Maybe I need to take him in round six in order to ensure I get it right letting go. That's why you don't take him around one you don't have to do but I mean obviously has seven home runs. Thirteen steals and three seventy two now is walk to strikeout does not tell us that he can maintain his batting battle going on there. It's just that's my point is like if you really want one of these players take him a little bit early because like Deborah's last year a lot of thought Raphael Denver's was going to be a star any he wasn't. Adp wasn't star level. Now it is so if you if you thought that he was going to be a monster and you missed out because somebody took him in around eight near. Planning on around nine. Well that's on you. That's the problem eighty anonymous. It does not apply to your league individually and there could always be another person who has the opinion that you do. So it's your job to calculate. What is the latest? You can possibly wait on the player that you really want while still ensuring that you get said player. That's what you throw around three. It's just I don't. I don't want us being attached to Boba shed as a third round pick. I'm not on board with that but I'm also not as aggressively pursuing. Certainly not as much as Albee's or more tech absolutely. Let's talk about your awesome. Playbook ARTICLE PEOPLE SHOULD BE CHECKING OUT. Tristan's work at ESPN's fantasy baseball page. Where you're listening to our show probably not off of Espn but you could just good material. There were still writing. I've been doing my series on every major league team which will continue for the rest of the month and interest playbook. Which tells you actually how to win lease. Why wouldn't you be reading this and your you have six topics covered this and a couple of model I like? I don't care about the three hundred minimum i. I don't think it's going to have a major effect on fantasy. But obviously the baseball does the closer committee situations positions. Scarcity is another one. That's interesting to me. So we always say Dresen that there is a position scarcity. Tell everybody what you mean by that. And you think it's different this year. Yeah Insert years and especially in the past. So if you're a long time fantasy baseball player there was the issue of position scarcity and it usually applied to the middle infield spots shortstop and second base where there were a handful of players who would give you elite numbers. I I still remember the Ale on the leagues of the late. Ninety s where you'd have a-rod and Derek jeter and Nomar Garciaparra and at certain points that would be Miguel Tejada and after that the position just dropped off talent wise off a cliff nowadays however it is not quite that way. Shortstop is usually the first place that people go for position scarcity and last year shortstop was one of the richest positions in all a fantasy if you use player or numbers and one of the advantages for the player eight on. Espn is that it does not wait valuations for players based on their positions. So you can pull those numbers and get an idea of how valuable that spot was. We'll shortstop was one of the most valuable positions second base not incredibly shallow the only position that truly applied in terms of position scarcity twenty nineteen and for a larger part twenty eighteen is well was catcher. Catcher was positively dreadful. It's why it's one of the six topics I discussed. This playbook section by itself is catcher and the fact that there aren't any quality catchers almost like we're back to the eighties of that particular spot. But I would say and I would advise and Eric. I'm sure you would agree with me. That people who are drafting in two twenty twenty should not be applying any sort of extreme positions scarcity at any spot. This year I actually think they're all pretty balanced. There's no reason to aggressively push anything. Unless you're a dynasty or keeper league and its first base. You're looking at the first base pool long-term concerns me when you wrote about the baseball here and your and your basic point. Is that your reaction? Are? We're not going to know about the baseball but all the simulations seem to believe that there's going to be the same baseball's last year so should we not objectively drafting as if last year's baseball is back. Yes but apply a hint of regression. Never pay for the all time record of anything. No I don't think he'd Alonzo's fifty home runs even though in the Cima base but refuse on pace for more the net. But I guess my point is everybody's assuming some aggression of the baseball. You have a three year average here. Why is your three year average on the baseball last year? Baseball was totally different. I would argue that. There's it's almost like here's my here's my My analogy I'm not looking at three or numbers for could tell Morte because two and three years ago mean nothing to me now because of what he did last year. I don't average out those three years because I think what could tell more did last year is more like the new one with Nelson Cruz or other established players. I'll average three years but for Marta won't for the baseball. I'm not gonNA average the last few years because lashes. Baseball could be this year's baseball player. That gets tired or fatigued or injured. It could be that baseball. Why would you average three year sample over the baseball? I'm not that's one of the points that making the column is that I give you the three year average and that I regretted halfway towards last year's total which still by the way gives the major leagues the second highest total in the history of baseball in terms of home runs. That means I do pretty much assume. We're GONNA see the baseball though. We did last season. But you have to make this decision. Each person has to make this decision. And the COP. I'm GonNa give you as an individual one if you wanted to pay in two thousand and two for Barry Bonds. As if he's going to hit another seventy three home runs feel free. That's your call. I won't pay for it. I am never going to pay for an all time record on like one penny per one. Penny. I'm not going to do it the year after I always regress but I do think it's responsible of us as drafters to them that the baseball of last year is the one we're going to say and I put this line in here. We say it all the time I know. Even Ron Chandler has said this when we did panels at the first pitch Arizona Series Rising. A rising tide raises all boats. Those things were hoping to do again. all right. Let's move on then. Oh you trivia. I Assume Tribune. So we're GONNA answer it a little bit later on Trivia. Let's all right. I HOPE LINE IS TO I. Don't think was the nineties eighties right. That was nine hundred. Eighty nine hundred eighty one. Who Sings that Song Lady? Yeah Gosh what's her no living. John Shaw Oh how can I forget? I know all right so Erica. Hope you like this. There is a little bit of a hid female at this four but both of you can answer this question so the interesting discovery is that eight players in history have amassed at least three hundred home runs and stolen bases in their career. Eight players reach three hundred three hundred for their careers. But only two of those are in the hall of fame. Andre Dawson and Willie mays right what I would like. Each of you to name are the six players with at least three hundred career home runs and stolen bases. Who are not in the hall of fame brought to I ne- ride. Well we will. We will confirm the answers on this a little bit later. But you might be on the right track I I. The two bonzes are obvious. But we'll get the answer a little bit later on I though I have actually something to read here so I'm going to read it For ECOMMERCE businesses shipping in two days or less as a new standard as a growing business. 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Bears is But a good movie interesting movie So that'll be Thursday and then next Monday is Memorial Day and even though we've all kind of been on holiday for the last two months. We're definitely next Monday. So there's no show then. Was something changes so go today than Thursday then the following Thursday and that's the way it is. I Kyle ever seen that. Well have you ever Seen Santa? I haven't I'm I'm very low on the movie. Totem Pole here but is a very good chance. I watch it between now and Thursday. Just keep up like you said you teasing it. But it's my generation so at least there's some interest level there that's right we are teasing you. Nice you'll enjoy it. You gotTa Watch be ready. I know some of the key lines like it's been on social media and not that I feel like I I could piece together what it's about but am I watch it start finish. I don't like dogs so I might have a problem but I'll I'll try to be happy on the show. I I just you know not. Everybody's a fan favorites quite all right. It'll be a good discussion. I'm curious to see what happens with this one. All right what ashes we burn wants to know who a bigger impact on the phillies over the next hundred and sixty two games. Whatever that takes place our Alec Bone. Yeah I think it has to be I think Spencer Howard because they're so desperate for a usable number three starter Velazquez Pavetti. I mean. Stop with these guys. They can't stop it because they don't have a three four five starting pitcher they can rely on. I think Spencer Howard should be the three starting in July and even though he skipped triple a. and I think he's going to be good enough so even with D. H. They could promote Alec Boehm making the HR put him in third or first. But I think they're going to be far more likely to Spencer. Howard the shot over the next one six to be this year end the first part of next year. I don't know what they're GONNA do to make an open for Alec Boehm. Next year I mean cigar is still under contract that out to trade him. Reese Hoskins I. Argue is not a safe. Dennis depicted all again. It's just simulations. But Reese Hoskins is doing awful in these simulations and not just one. The baseball ref simulation throughout the park. I'm doing simulation game. On Dynasty League. Baseball were hoskins is batting. One forty five play them all the time the province Jay Bruce the other first basements batting one eighty so that's my first base platoon. They're both terrible by team's terrible there but it's a lot of fun honestly baseball anyway. Hoskins is seeming so badly. I wonder if there's something there. He was sent off on the second season. So boom could end up being the first basement in two years and hoskins might just be like Darren Ruffin two years honestly so I'm not trying to be mean but I don't think I think we going to be overdrafted for this. Year is a lot of risk in batting average there. Why would you draft? The Guy who's upside might be to forty there's other power hitters that you can get later in your draft about two forty or just ignore them all together anyway to answer the question. I is Howard over bone. Do you agree with that? I do yeah. I think there's just going to be a greater team. Need for Howard. The other thing too is I think you and I were in agreement. That Howard is probably more major league ready to throw the air quotes around it but just provide a little validity to the question. I'm going back to your comment Eric. Before about the D. H. The fact that there will be a d. h. and if that is now permanent as we suspect that does probably benefit bombs prospects of a sooner call up consensus there. Luke wants to know who your favorite active player is to watch Shea. Sally still active so he does not count my God He. I use my favorite Favorite active player. I mean I mean who doesn't like to see Mike Trout plan. Come on. He's awesome is a terrific I. I'll admit I couldn't stand Bryce Harper as a national but I love now's affiliate is effort levels right there Maybe he's not he's GonNa end up in the hall of fame. He just keeps doing what he's doing. He doesn't have to have another ten war season to be all famer. He just has to. Kinda do this. Five Four Seasons for the next decade He's he's fun to watch. I mean I I mean I gotta look at the like I. Don't think of it that way. Is that fair like a lot of players? I like the wiler brought to Fernando tease or Yelich. Jim bellinger because they just make it. Look so easy I mean generally when I talk a players I love to watch. It's going to be a hitter. One Soto Man I could ask you. He's already going kind of in the first round but he's simulating so well. I didn't want soda if he wants to. Fifteen basis a year is going to be a contender for the number one overall. Pick in in like maybe in a year or two I think once slaughter PETCO sabermetrics leagues especially but even in a regularly tristen if he we thinking about three thirty with forty homers and fifteen steals. Isn't that what Trout's doing Mike? I don't know why Sotos steals double the debases. He's not trout right now so Dan Sabarsky's ZIP system provides year projections ahead and they're immensely favorable of one. Soto as a matter of when I taught them into any of the dollar value generators Lawn Soto becomes twenty twenty twos and twenty twenty. Three's best player in fantasy baseball which I find very interesting. It's one of the reasons I I also have a very high opinion of him. So it's not just the zips thing but it supports my own opinion that he belongs very high in any sort of dynasty rankings trout. I agree. Trout terrifies me. Whenever my anybody on my team is facing them including in Sims trout is the one guy. Positively terrifies me from the pitching side. When you're facing what he could do. I D- gregorious which I was so upset to see Didi Gregorius. Go to the phillies. As a Yankee Fan I enjoyed watching him the better defense than he provided the man behind know that he replaced in Derek. Jeter and I kind of liked the swing in Yankee Stadium and I'm really gonNA miss that. It just trying to pick a guy who's not so obvious. I think I think to any Toronto Games to me. I I think it's going to be a monster for fantasy like your seventy-nine I probably haven't running better but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if like we're having this conversation in March and Boboc like number twenty eight ranked player. I think he's going to be fantastic. Right now. LAD. I think is going to be fantastic. Anyway we're just kind of wasting time with this answer but It's it's anyway but smooth on wires. You mentioned that it was a almost a lock. That your favorite player to watch a hitter. Why is it the case of pitchers out there more often? It's just easier to fall in love with a pitcher of fair question. I guess I mean pitchers do. I love the watch see. That's the thing most of the ones for me are so historically was mattingly the hitting side. I love that. Swing the style of it. On the pitching side it was Marianna Rivera just something about watching the repetitive nature and the ability to be dominant. I love there isn't a guy like that today who I watch who I feel. Is that way the closest I can get? Who is. Non Yankee was Felix Hernandez and he's not the same now. I just don't pitchers that same way. I wasn't a pitcher growing up in like I. I I like batting stances and like I don't know I mean I was GonNa name Pitcher but I'm not gonNA name them because I'll be honest like this was the case twenty years ago but players who do stuff off the field that I don't like I don't like watching the play so again won't names but like there's this pitcher out there done stuff. I I will say this like young pitchers with upside. I WANNA I wanna see what Orioles does I know. I know I wanna see were lance mccullers. Junior does I generally like to watch a lefty. Since I'm a left. Handed pitcher left hand thrower. So a lefty. Who has like? I can't find any right now. That just jumped out to me. Like I'd like after watch glass now from the right side but anyway I do you see my point like if I mean for me. It's it's style. They don't have to be great long term. I mean the the I I remember was watching. Dontrelle Willis living in kick and I mean I knew that there were flaws to his game. None of that shocked me. But I grew up with schmitten Carlton and Von Hayes and like the other pitchers I remember. We're just terrible. Exxon Carmen and Bruce Ruffin and we had no pitching. I emulate them when I tried to throw because I couldn't. I'll give you another that. I really liked Dan cuisine. Berry I like the I really like submarine pitchers. Baker wants to know how much weight you put into Med bonds. Home Roads with over the past two seasons now did he has a new home in theory loses the home advantage. I was just GONNA mention a guy to watch pitch. 'cause he's he's a lefty who repeats his motion effort. Is there what he did in the world series is almost like that's like Michael Jordan? Like what he did in that. World series? Nobody else in the last fifty years on that But his on road splits are vastly different. But see while people like Theresa at that continues that you know that we have to take them seriously. I also think there's a way that he can react to not pitching in San Francisco. It's the opt the opposite of course field pitcher's some degree where you assume that Iraqis hurler is going to pitch great in road games because they pitched poorly in home games when they leave the rockies. That doesn't happen. I don't think BUMGARNER IS GONNA get lit up in Arizona. I don't I think he's going to be a solid pitcher. Three fifty three seventy five year a with more reasonable home road splits and they may diving look different. Is Home Road? Numbers might be exactly like now that he's left an extreme pitcher's park. Just GonNa call me crazy. But that I believe and I've got I've got shares of Bumgarner all over because people are gonNA assume that he's just going to be awful now with his road numbers last couple years. I think part of the reason is road. Numbers were so bad. Last couple of years is because he had the luxury of pitching at home the way did and he was like his body was messed up when he left. It's like we say with rockies put hitters anchors but tell me I'm wrong there you go assigning opinion again no. I actually don't think you're wrong here and I think this is a very important lesson for people to pick up and that is that especially players in the ballpark extremes on the spectrum. We're now picking the pitcher who once called home. The by far most extreme pitcher's park in all of baseball just like we talk about chorus field. And you remember a couple of weeks ago. We had that discussion about leaving chorus field. And what that does. And for example if the season is played outside of course feel what happens to rocky's hitters. There's an adjustment period of bring everything back towards the League average and I think the same thing that's going to happen for Bumgarner in that. The home and road splits are going to narrow themselves closer as a member of the diamondbacks and I think the overall result is going to be a slight increase in era. Just because he doesn't have that great pitchers park as his home. Each and every day in chase feels defense by the way with the humidor. It's a much more league average or neutral ballpark and it was so he's calling from the extreme on the scale he's bringing it up to neutral. Maybe we bump up area quarter run. Maybe three five five year. That's exactly like about right. I'll say over because that's probably the right answer with the base because now I'm assuming now that baseball and some people are just making just ridiculous decisions. I hope they play this year I think there's going to be the rabbit ball again so it's GonNa be hard for pitchers Plus I I don't want that adding is gonNA screw up a pitcher's era because these guys are not going seven innings per start so in Bumgarner case by the way we don't know which games he's GonNa have the Dome Open and that is a really terrible spot for a pitcher to be so he could have one of those bad games there and blew up the IRA but otherwise useful interesting stat if you believe in the individual ballparks chase field career for Madison Bumgarner. Three Thirteen era and one sixteen whip in nineteen career. Part OF THE PROBLEM. I have with looking at those numbers. Tristen is what was he facing. What offenses was he facing? And until I know that answer. It's not enough of a sample size of say that he can pitch well in that stadium. You're you say. Nineteen that should be enough of a sample but for years the Arizona. Hit so you know like people you. Susa say well look at the numbers of a phillies opponents. I said well look at some of their offenses. How how could you not do well against that more or pitching well in Miami now when they have a terrible offense well of course? You're GONNA do well. Who's going to hit it? It's meant to illustrate that he can pitch their if there's this belief that he's going to a hitters heaven. He's pitched a lot on their bad. I think it's the road numbers that were scale. Not on his new numbers. No I actually think they're gonNA take the road numbers. They're going to apply them here if he was going. To course field if it was like Mike Hampton leaving the or is that okay apply the bad road stats and be terrified because you should be in course field here not so much and by the way. I don't. I'm not going to take the three thirteen year. Eight to heart at all. I'm just illustrating. He has pitched successfully there before he can do it again. And he's going to get a couple of starts in San Francisco every year so it's not like he's leaving the division he still get San Diego. He's still get San Francisco. He was you know. Same dodger lineup. Face same core so I don't think much changes all the. I don't know I could be wrong. Look if Bumgarner has a terrible year Lotta people are going to be looking at me and saying you told us he would be fine. I believe he will be fun where he's being drafted. I think he's going to be fine is a value to where he's being drafted. Yes all right the drafting bumgarner over all over the place in putting on you care about. I'm leaving anyway so it doesn't matter to me. But if he hits I'm giving you gratitude curse got our last question he wasn't Michael Jordan's stat line would look like if he devoted his life to play baseball. Hundred Sixty Games. Well you obviously what have stolen basis. He was he was good enough to do that. I don't think he ever would have hit for average because I think he would. He was going to have problems. Seeing the pitches and reacting to whether they were fastballs off speed stuff he he couldn't hit off speed stuff so now me he would have gotten better at it. But I'm thinking of a guy who might have hit two fifty and in that era maybe like fifteen home runs but he might have stolen thirty basis with like an on base percentage of three hundred like he was not going to be a high on base guy. I don't think and he had way too big strike zone six foot six. That's that is the obstacle to me for finding. I am trying to think of a calm here going like my camera camera with less power like no because. Cowan took walks. I'm trying to think of a a tall right handed hitting outfielder. Who I don't think is GonNa hit for batting average wasn't going to eat actually did take walks. You're in Birmingham yet diesel Walker. And so maybe I'm wrong about that. Yeah I don't think he'd be a disaster in terms of the on base percentage. I mean you know except for what batting average does to it taking the HEITKAMP's the highest end player if he was going to become a superstar. Let's say for example. He had always played baseball entire life. And this did pan out. Was Dave Winfield in terms of height guy who actually looked pretty close to me and none of these are good cops but the closest was he knows. Capelle not bad Bell was a if I remember from the Eighty Astros was noted Non Walker in strike out much either like a hint of pop not great for batting average questions on defense even though he might have had the range and he could still basis but he did get thrown out sometimes. They're kind of close and size. Wise got thrown out a lot right. Goodness eighteenth caught stealing in in in seventy nine twenty one at a thirty four nineteen. He's not a good player. At all really was and obviously. The astrodome. Hurt his power but and he was caught up in that nineteen seventy-nine case anyway A tall yeah okay I just. I don't think Michael Jordan would have been a great fantasy asset but I do think could have stolen basis. That's about it. He would have been kind of like not Jarrod dyson. Who's the one we were looking at? It was like a twenty. There's like a guy who doesn't offer much else if the shields. Yeah Yeah Yeh. The current Alliance Shield is actually a pretty good cop right. I mean memo to shields walks a little more I think than Jordan. What fifty-one walks out season in the minors in a full season? But like I think Jordan went out a little bit more power than that but yeah that could accurately on hell the shields will to forty six career hitter with a three twenty six on base. I would say Jordan would be to forty six zero six on base but he would run a little bit but yeah interesting question and if you haven't checked out the the last dance ten episodes that were on. Espn UNLESS IT. Because it's on our network. That was fantastic. Just fantastic. I was I was going to tweet out. Then what am I doing next Sunday? I'm obviously going to be watching the thirty for thirty that come up in the next couple of weeks on. Espn companyman but dude in good. I mean the DOC. I'm into documentaries and I got an email today about Kendall. Baker Act shows the best fifty best. Dr Sports Documentaries. I am going to start checking out right away. It was not mistaken right. I WON'T WATCH THE OJ. Simpson one because of him even though it was on ESPN I was excellent. Actually everybody says it was excellent. I just if you don't like the person it's hard to get into a show. I I didn't dislike Jordan. I mean there's a lot of things we can say about them but with Oj man. That's that's different but that was a very well done documentary. I watched some of it I WANNA check out some of the other documentaries on the on that list of axios go check it out all right I guess we have to answer Trivia. Now so what was the question? So the question was who are the six players who had at least three hundred career home runs and stolen bases? Who are not in the hall of fame. Dawson and maize are in the hall. There two of the eight that have done an all time. I need to six. Who are not in the hall of fame while the two bonds Iran obvious right. That is correct. Barry and Bobby and a-rod a-rod will be eligible in twenty twenty two which leaves three others three other players for you eric. Because that's going to be a curious case fringe guys feel great about it. Well Beltran Right. Carlos Beltran is eligible in twenty twenty three and is another interesting case for certain friend of mine Well who knows what the hall of fame voting looks like. I will get the vote for the whole family like four years. I will vote for Iran. I will vote for Beltran if I if I can Yeah what they did not likeable but I would also vote for Palmeiro and you know maybe not McGuire because that's different stats set. Kamera three thousand hits man but bond. It's a museum house. Bonds Not in a museum. Clinton's I so I still think there's an educational advantage to putting them in and just explaining the entirety of the story. Just explain what they did or what they're accused of doing as part of the story but to keep out one of the best hitters in best pitchers of all time from a museum. I just don't get it. Clemens just threw a one hit shutout from me in game. Four eighty six world series on playing our friends. Dave Gardner goes eight today. He's the mets on the Red Sox and and clements threw a one hit shutout on short rest is pitching games. One four and seven. It's only chance to have their win. That Boston Bullpen. Eighty six was horrific. Horrific College. Soroti was controlled. He was only pitcher. Bob Staley's numbers and eighty six were Awful Ya'll they had co closers just because they didn't have a guy who could handle it all your I mean I don't understand that I mean I understand how he made the world series but like these reliever that's it so anyway Always we have a couple more guests. We were guys. Yeah and if you'd like I can give you the hint. I mean Eric Davis came to mind for me but I don't know if he hit for enough power. I think I'll give you the hint. You'll probably needed. These players. Were eligible for the eligible for the hall of Fame Ballot in your twenty thirteen. They were both one and done of that ballot and neither of them got a single vote for the hall of fame. They joined the same year as Barry Bonds. These three guys went on and twenty thirteen but these two players got no votes. Were off the ballot in one year. It's not Ernie. Not these two. Were intriguing fantasy options year after year. They were not top picks but they were consistently drafted for their power and steel contributions An Eric Davis is obviously not one of the answers. Assume nope he would have been eligible before twenty thirteen. Yeah but I'm GONNA look it. Dame is two hundred. Eighty two home runs. Our Casey was close. Man I mean. Are they finished in? Two thousand seven their careers these two players okay. Collie and I had surgery on Bobby Brady written down to new and I'm guessing just Mr Khan somewhere. I mean I think you need Mike. Cameron didn't have gotten hammered But I like the guests. That's you're getting in the ballpark of fantasy types about where you should have been drafting them. Let's see I'll give you one hand. Is that one of these players was which was yeah he was traded in a curt schilling. Trade Not Glenn Davis but I think that was the same trade actually same trade. I believe he yeah He. This player was included. Steve Finley yes. Stephen Lee is one. St Family was original Baltimore Trade. Yeah correct in Nineteen ninety-one. Yeah and this one other one was ready Sanders. Nice job while pulling names out there. He retired about twelve thirteen years ago. I I never remember when they retire but I was looking at the reds. Had All these outfielder is that that Cameron Eric Davis they'd Reggie Sanders. They just had a lot of outfitters. Who did a lot of things yup enough power to do that? He got three hundred and five homers. Three hundred and four steals findlay was three or four and three twenty because they the players are not era. Hit for more power than you think. They just kept doing it. Yeah the reason why this came up was I was originally trying to find a Jim. Edmonds Related Trivia Rhode Edmonds. That's homer total right. Who just one short of something. How many homers? Jim Edmonds hit in his career. He like four hundred any just about. Yeah three ninety three good career. I looked the whole things that bothers me to no end Bernie Williams unless ain't Bernie Williams should be in but I can make the case and he's not even on the ballot and it bothers me. Detroit infielders that you know that whitaker is an an and Darrell Evans. Should be in therapy. Joya Evans Maybe Daryl to I need to review some of the Dwight Evans tape. Because I've never had that feeling should belong in but I I like the cases. I'm hearing for him. Let's say for a bigger hall. But like I don't know I just Myra and then the other one of Dick Allen should be in. I think I think he's getting in in this year on the veterans anyway. We're just about done for today. We should note. The bus only has been diving into some of the off-field stories on his podcast. Lately from Mike Greenberg getting thrown out of clubhouse to Charles. Barkley's love for Max. Sure there make sure to check out daily baseball tonight shows on Itunes stitcher or ever you listen to your podcast. All right Thursday show Tristan will be the SANDLOT. That should be a lot of fun and I might have to check it out again. I it's not my favorite sequel. I've never watched the sequel. I won't watch the sequel. I didn't even know there was a sequel. That's why you shouldn't watch it all right so I'll check it out and and look. I hope people are enjoying the movie talk. We'll try to get some regular talking as well. Get Your hashbrowns. Look if you want your questions. Answered send the Hash Brown in K. We're getting so many that we're GONNA exclude yours That's all for today. Thanks so much to Kelso's does a great job producing our show and Tristan each craft on another manic Monday. I am Eric caravel. Please have an awesome week.

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The Sherpa Screening Room: Meet Shannan Wilson! (featuring a bonus music track)

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The Sherpa Screening Room: Meet Shannan Wilson! (featuring a bonus music track)

"Hey what's up this. Christopher of rome the missed. Entertainment the podcast. You're listening to is part of the s. J network go to s dash j dash network dot com. That's s. dash j dash network dot com for more great podcast and information on those shows as well as information and able ability to contact. Publicist steve joyner. For more information. Go to a website and check out the family ladies and gentlemen then enjoy the show. Hey bill today's guest. Shannon wilson is going to be in halston on net flicks. Wouldn't it be fun to wear designer clothes all day. I wouldn't know we're only voice. Bonds what would i know about fancy labels. I guess you're right she also works for. Qvc you can buy clothes there. What a great idea. I'll do that now. Blow high qbc. I'd like to order one exercise bicycle. Three thousand spaghetti trainers and snuggie. Something tells me. I don't even want to hear an explanation. Can you offer some better jokes. Attention rebels of the shirt pollution. Today's podcast is being brought to you by audible. You can get a free audiobook. Download and a thirty day free trial at www dot audible trial dot com slash sherpa. There are over one hundred eighty thousand titles to choose from for your iphone android kindle or mp three player. And now mr bruce will lead you into the sherpa chalet as a reminder. Please don't disturb the ac coming to you from scheppach. La beautiful downtown man podcast. It's time for entertainment interviews in the sherpa screening room grab a nile seat and a bucket of popcorn at don't crunch too loud or you'll miss the show. Now he's your host. James duh podcast vais and welcome to the show for screening room. It's me jim the broadcast sherpa. And we've got a wonderful guest today. We had so much fun talking a lot of fun with my guests. All the time donated and today is no exception. Her name is shannon wilson. She's been a dj a model a singer and most importantly she's an actress and he is currently appearing in the movie snow babies. It's movie about drug addiction. Really powerful stuff. Now you would think a lady in such serious roles would be very serious but that was not the case with shannon. We had so much fun so much laughing. Of course what else happens here at the show screaming. What's having lots of fun. I think you're going to enjoy hearing about this lady and keep an eye out for her because she is really counted so without any further. Ado let's have a listen to my conversation with shannon wilson. Hello there herbals. We are here of course in the sherpa screening room. And you know it's a small room but there's a lot of talent in here. That's kind of crowd mean with my guest today. Her name is shannon wilson. She is an actress. An author a songwriter singer. She's been a model. He's been a dj. She's a producer. You hope sit on. Qvc is that right here host more. I'll be there tomorrow actually. Model the fashion different products for started out as a model for. You were acting right. Yes i the avenue on five ten by ten thirteen. And i went to the shopping mall in houston at the northwest and they had earned. It was the gallery at had a modeling contest. So i entered it in the agency likely into beyond so that i started modeling at that age. Pretty young you never you get your little segment on. Qvc like what would you do without these. Get only wish. No i all because they were really hard those out. The hosts and hostesses are all the time they were their butts off. And i'm really not that hard of a worker. It sounds like you listed all out. It sounds overachiever. But that was all done. During a long period of time it wasn't it was his last week or anything in years is the making originally. You're from texas. Yes from houston. And i don't hear a southern twang in you at all. Did you lose it or did you not have a thick one or now did as i said the other day you put a red solo cup in my hand with beer in it they will come right back just for an expired thousand i i. My friend moves to utah when we were thirteen or fourteen out to visit her in utah in ogden. Utah and i was the first time in my family's also from the carolinas from south carolina and that was the first time someone said with the way they looked at me. Listen how she talks. Oh my gosh. What did you just say scindia voters that it was the first time somebody pointed out that i had an accident. Which was you know. It's a life changing. You think you you think you're talking like everybody else. So i'll never forget that like i guess especially when you're specific regions to people and your and your ad that region then all of a sudden you sound so foreign to everybody else either on the utah. I mean they had never experienced anybody from houston nor experienced anybody from offense so who is a mutual fascination between the two cultures and it was we. Were taking your your mom and your dad were. Both teachers did they. Teach in the same school no My mom my mom time catholic schools. She also tired public schools. When i was a kid. Dad started teaching later. When i was in middle school or high school. He always wanted to be a history teacher and he actually just passed away at three about a month ago. He could anything about history the war. Who's just bookish about. Die in really instilled in me the love history. So he was. He was a high school history teacher in an inner city school and just really loved it that passion for it. We were saying earlier before we started recording. The both of us are surrounded by teachers in our families and this is a real time for them right now man. I can't thank our teachers enough for what they're going through any teaching our kids and making sure they're they're on top of things. They are a lot of their own kids at home. I mean the teachers last year. The end of the at got ray gifts for the her from from us for my family because you were so appreciative. Everyone thinks of teachers absolutely so to shannon career. Little bit so the modeling was probably the start in your public exposure. Yeah i always. I'm kinda shy person. Believe it or not that. I always wanted to do feed her. I actually with my mom to be state willing. Wish you were a stage. Mom would have given anything but she was so opposite of that and there was a theater. Great theater program in houston but we couldn't afford it. I remember seeing so sad we can. I couldn't take classes there despite being Plays to be awesome. I never really pursued acting full-time endow about six years ago. Went into newark. Until my husband. I said i think weren't us. I wanna take classes learn from great teachers and so it's of late late starter. You could say but always been fascinated by yes for dancing. I think was a runway. The of people that i liked. I liked that. But i didn't necessarily do that. Do i mean my whole life. I had a company where wasn't in the public eye at all out that you you're running your own business. Also right yeah. I learned a new delay for a couple of years. And i did a lot of runway at work and learned about this whole promo world reeds to be a brand ambassador promoted items. Pass how things and i have a lot of money in. La as many people don't and so. I learned how to. I learned about promotional business. When i moved to the east coast. I started my own company stock for marketing companies. For a long time. He had employees in an office. This was allie business. So is it can experience after you do the modeling. Then you started doing some theater work. What was your first major screen production. You remember or your vision. Only got i really. The arrested did some improv. But i should have done better. Yes my first audition for the michael j. fox shipu. The being i'm gonna dishes. Did lowly hiding agent philadelphian. Our team will do local spots and commercials. in new. york's big time ray. I got called in for the michael. J. fox show which was about six years ago. That was my first audition with russ meyerson. Forget he was the first person that called me for role Shows i can't even tell you and you just don't book them but then those same casting directors will call you back in different parts. You may get a callback. You may get pen for the role. They cancelled the roles of all. These things can happen. That's why it takes so much love by pounding the pavement and do the part in elementary. Right you played a sniper or a female mercenary mercenary. my biggest. I was so excited. When i booked that that was with mark sacks casting who cast good wife and yeah i was. That was my first big attack. Years ago through modeling agency. With david. Morris was on. Cbs and now is my first television rule. But i wasn't pursuing acting someone. I poked alimentary. Like i've understood for so many parts. I'm so happy to book. This is his two It was words but it was my first time on on a television sad series with with all of these people so that was that was really an exciting time. And i saw the scene. The you look like kick them series. But we i mean and i was so nervous earlier i mean literally had to sit in a closet with jonny lee miller the star of elementary that was built talent and then we're off to the side of the sat in a little room closet size like broom closet so i had to walk out of the onto the said and in the room with him and i was so nervous that i was sweating and relating does to know anyone investment by two words and i think to him i said He said only really sweaty. He's like that's nice. How was trying to remain cool and collected. Because i really like him as an actor. So was great and also. I just noticed something you when you went to college. You were a nighttime grunge. Yes yay ninety one. Kfi did you have like a gay name or did you use your own shanta funny because my sister is six years younger than i am and she married a guy from nacogdoches texas where my college was and he remembers me. He's like oh. My god we listen to you all the time because i had it ten pm twelve. Am our grunge was pearl. Jam and grunge and enriches so on to be a college dj at that time with that music nirvana and that was a really good experience. Could you do a little sample of you. May be introducing like a like a ninety dollars grunge any matter and coming up with pearl jam that better dissidents one of my favorite songs tracks you guys talking about here in the day with a record so i remember like the record skipping did you ever. Dj i tell you to story one time. I was dj jiang and it was a cd player. And when i was playing the bride and groom song. The song was skipping so it was like okay. Are you going to dance fast. Aurora say we grab during their dance. So i think a lot more than my armpits hilarious. It happens and i was looking at your resume. And i see that you can do. I know you can put you have to put down like every skill that you have. You do a long island and russian accent. Would you please grace with. Did you have to combine them the problem so you're saying about any of that so anyway it was walking down the street. Thought he'd better pass me. He's literally like five. Till i mean fire to by ten. He like literally came up to my waist but he was so looking. So that's like a long island accent. And then you want to rush in rush. I only hope for concerts concerts rush if they are not concerts. And shall we go but we do not know klein like we got some of your movies. Because i know there's so many snow babies that just came out recently on amazon video on apple. Tv can you can stream it that way. This is supposed to be theaters with covid at but and you play the mother of a drug addicted donor. Yes she's a sixteen year old sweet kind. Straightway catholic school overall and he is a declare janna quite a mom and it's a very intense though to do is independent by first feature that i bought. I'm really proud of a female director. Smith and mike walsh wrote it. And they just didn't want to research on on x and had their stories incorporated that into films People see is real life. I mean it seems dramatic stories. They took so yeah. It was a great experience that i hope that we hope that helps people. Didn't you do movie. Were you also play the drug addict addicted to drugs. I have cancer. Yeah and my father had dementia but we were in that. One of that went to a lot of festivals. That was the short film and that was. I love playing that part. Because i were wigging out a ball at for wine on a lot of additions where you look a certain way or they you kind of get pigeonhole which is fine. A mind that if it's helping me get work. But i'm seeing now where i can be can look how i wanna to look haggard. I wanna be able to look tired or have these roles. Where other than the right one of comes. I was addicted to opioids. Yes as a pulp offer from eighties. Yes i hear a wounded deer. Okay yeah i wrote down with a question mark next yourself right. Yes even rosenberg at that. Yes of course. I mean it's interesting. You know facing the topic of drug addiction on really both parts where you're pair or someone to ordinary your the addict yourself. That must be something for your mindset when you when you have to film scenes like that where there's just so intense and yeah snow babies. The one for the opioid is the pill hopper. It was short film so it was done. We went to michigan up in michigan. Nowhere restarted in this cap and yes. That was tired of some snow. Maybe longer shoot. I had really deal with water content and fourteen year old daughter so my daughter in sixteen so this to visualize Katie kelly place daughter. Such a great actress that i had ptsd scenes. You really had to go to places emotionally and how kids two teenagers it was. I came home. And i'm like don't you our try. You don't ever have never take more pain medication scary. Yeah i guess yeah especially as a parent. You're playing apparent in that situation than coming on your own kids. Yes that reality. Just kinda stabbed at it does it say was yeah. It was scary. There were Tire to snow babies in. There's a reason for that because the siegburg reshot sometimes out of order so it'd be like really testing. We're headed cry. Ally in deals a lot of emotion in wrap it up you know he can just turn that off and then we had to go shoot something where i'm happier with my head for five minutes and you're going to be in upcoming netflix's show called halston and could you tell a little bit a little little bit about that yes. Fat halston was a iconic seventies fashion designer. He was just unbelievable. Really innovative fashion best friends with liza minnelli and was really part of the new york scene in the seventies and you mcgregor is playing halston ryan murphy production and i'm lucky enough to have booked on apart on that show and the person that i'm working with my husband had been announced his name yet but he's been around a really long time someone that everybody knows and he is. The nicest person has been in. It is so content. That's an intimidating situation. Walk into sure especially when when halston had being played guy who played. Obi wan kenobi and he was so sweet moment one day. They got shut down because the kobe monday but he was very nice. He he's he's very sweet. And i find i find most people really are the especially the ones that have been around a one time that i've come into contact with or maybe have parents that are pretty famous are really really down to earth. Really nice. that's good to know. And also i know a lot of pending projects Everything held up because of covid but a lot of things. We'll probably be seeing the light of day hopefully next year. Yeah next year and twenty one. Yeah and twenty twenty an hour thirty Announce starting to cape auditioned spell before you had to go into offices but it's it's neat to see for anybody who wants to get into acting better. Old army unite started late. I was so much older than everybody else. You try on their early twenties but on the pavement you work hard and your digital editions may have no words you don t just act something out and then you'll slow lazy chip away. You start seeing progressions. It's pretty cool in you. Also doing movie cold finding christmas. Yes that's Babies so that'll be a christmas movie. And i play martina the white of the mob boss from south philly philly conceal they philly. I love accents. I i can do many accidents for me. So i'm going to be like addressed. Adriana from sopranos are the also used to play a really fun character. It's interesting. I mean as you're talking about all these different parts you're probably going to be hard for them to pigeonhole. You'd probably just do whatever role you can said you're feeling she said you're chameleon because i feel it can be a little material and think at first was where people like upper east side woman the affluent country club which is not me late. My mom was a single mom. I love loco bars. I mean i can hang out with. I just love theme rights. That's really me so bad and waiting tables right. You have to embark on. You'd be able to talk anybody. That's a that's absorbing people in place bartending. Absolutely we can get another italian actors. Yes would have a very big part in that That stars markman chata markman chocolate chocolate china. Ozark in. he's been a of stop. He's such a good actor. That's a horror movie and that's the same producer from snow babies also too. They were nice enough to put me in. I in a bit part once you get somebody you got engaged. That's due to promote your career. Than that i loved them. Cato said gonna retaliate. Who should she coming out. Next year. your first time producer for the obscured yes thriller and i was looking for something to produce Ns woman who. I really like on twitter. Our and proposed. She's one just a bunch of awards lords done so many things in so i reached out to her and she's still looking for a little bit more funding and help as producer. So i jumped on board and stuff that the concept is really smart week. it sounds and she said I really liked it. So if you'll be on on the other side of the camera. For the first time. I think i think i like it. You know there's less pressure the pressure when on the camera. I some of the stuff that i've shooting coming up for one of my shows. I'm really nervous about. It's a big scene in its with. You know think. I thought about nonstop you. Just don't stop thinking of us wanna do a good job right anything that you do and he just want to show that you could be agreeing new to the neck. Newer to this. In many people also said approve. Prove yourself yeah you know. I think people sometimes their career only really kind of started flourishing like within the past few years. But it's it's fine. I guess once he kinda hit the ground running and you understand what's behind that momentum as you're doing more things it just becomes a lot more comfortable in the probably in a faster fashion when we would you say so by us to more comfortable. I think that you don't feel like you're chopping block in the business times where you like at anytime. He could be fired. Or they'll cut your part and a radio shack commercial Radio shack marcel ryan from entire christmas. And i made job of my husband. I said oh my gosh. The radio shock. Mersal runs every time. It wasn't gonna go. Ching ching my car cut out. So i don't watch the commercial. They run for a month. And a half and i was. I didn't the residuals from itself as one. Somebody only wants my manager. Said never tell anybody. You're something really until you see yourself. Offscreen cutting room floor absolutely. I mean there've been lots of scenes even with with a lot more famous actors to like. I know what kevin costner costner. Famously in the big chill was asked to being there. There were a few other ones too. I know that's alliance talks about filming Filling movie Two weeks or something in the she wasn't in any of it so i looked up. One time after suv been cut from parts. I probably look after greg radio shock and there are a lot bad that you would it make sense. I did a short film and where scenes was cut and it makes complete sense. I saw it didn't make sense with the rest of the movie. So sometimes he can't take it personally. You know our story line didn't line up with at and they were trying to move this way along. So sometimes they sort of say give continuity and and sometimes you don't want that subplot that they might feel takes away two times. I understand that yeah. It's not the actor It's not not reasons so remember that when it happens to you growing also. I know that you like to write and you actually have a published book. Will the littlest peanut. Ooh this was based on personal experience. Yes both my kids were premature so created after being in the running that if you re time and i have written poetry. There were no baby books. If you have preemies at the time were baby books that match the milestones that premature baby house first time changed their diaper for Hold them when they got off their c-pap us. All those things are important. Parents premiums created a book. My brother-in-law illustrated net and it. Certainly but you fill out for baby for premiums. Get a lot of feedback on that from people who've who've experienced that as well with worse yes i mean i published at about five years ago. Our fourth addition. Yes a my on the reviews on amazon. They're always so sweet I do have one star for a woman. i swear. don't court she just saying it's been there for like five years. She bizzare page. Which is i mean. She told i trying to get that review and they don't amazon the logic that review and it may not like meeting today. This is funny story. I got off by someone driving a subaru today again. Their license plates at hippos. It just cut me off Turned into the sea as becoming an attorney who said yes and they're licensed hippos away sieber on hip us licensed. You might not want to approach that car i started. I was so mad when i started cracking up. That's a potential song. Hippopotamus into subaru. The environmentalists hippo and you also a songwriter and we were talking earlier that you do have some songs on itunes and spotify people wanna check it out under your name under shannon milk. Yeah at the yes. They can go on the some of them. I realized yesterday the dot. They're older than time though so fast. So i i one asia write songs. I found out there is a music guy. That was a studio musician. Nashville with the and brad caisley nashville for all the years in tower over for me so unbelievable pilots sixty sixty by john heffernan until he proves the songs and some guitarist but not like he is. I texted him yesterday. And i said i haven't. I saw a report. I haven't worked for a few years. So i'm excited to write anyone. Sure routed i just needed recorded. And i was telling shannon. I was checking out some of the songs last night. And it's definitely like a country folk kind of vein if you like country folk music and it's really good stuff thank you. I advise everybody to check out her pages on spotify and applebee's thank you so it's fair to what is next for shannon wilson shoot. It will start. I'll start working on halston for alexa. And then i don't know just take it day by day. I mean like. I said i'm a qb. Tomorrow i'm gonna do fashion modeling and you can't this present day. I'm working on being grateful for what happened now in terms of like my kids and all about work and not try to walk more is that makes sense only balance. Yeah think i'll have gotten auditioned in our our had some additions. And then you you know my manager will say oh they moved you up and casting hear anything back in have to remember just to be great stuff. I have not tried to because everything's moving a little bit slower these days so i don't know what's next. We'll see maybe our cortisone there you go. Well the hippo subaru idea are you gonna do s siesta chills. Me in the subaru. Cut me off. And i was going to. Cbs because of my cough higher uranium. My next song shiver studio presents presents. Her name for the podcast. That'll work all right. So why don't we let everybody know where the people can follow you on social media. And if they wanna learn a little bit more about us while we kind of touched a lot of things on the surface and there's there's so much more to be found thank you Yeah they can go mishaan. Fha in a n wilson and that will pop up all of my stuff. You know the book and the music and my immediate package. Follow me on twitter. In as a nick wilson. But i try to be better about social media. I'm good at it. Like people come up with such witty stuff to say. And i just i start writing something Stupid so i just don't really so you know what i mean. I've you're asking career being stupid. Know you're not stupid but twitter h. Theory tweeting winning way stuff. Not most tweets are like when we're done. I will go on twitter. And i'll say oh. I talked to janet wilson. Yeah but there's sort of a by weird sense of humor in there somehow check out. I like weird sense of humor. You a big fan of british humor. Yeah oh my god my raise. My dad's my kids monty python. John cleese their whole the way they deal with death and the hewer in. That is just brilliant. Sure on monty python. Did you watch fawlty towers and the towers is that. That's another one in. What's the other are those. Were nice to watch cold. Are you being served. And it was a store it was about a british show and it was about the people that work in the store. Oh amy surf so what happens watching the story than it was like being sued the whole kind of british class. You know how they operate department stores and it's it's very different from what we would see in the. Us is the intelligence level of money python. Those guys just so smart and still are still john. Cleese east cracks me up when he is on. Talk show is ready to step. I was hearing him talk about his mother. The other day is going to have her stuff and put her in a quarter. Because i told her that she was like ooh and then he said my mother must be so hard to be ninety. Two when you get up in the in the nursing how you go get your custody and you come back in the plus you're talking to you is dead and the custer is funny about that whole funny and something completely different if you definitely want to check out of work mike. Young check out his website and keep an eye open for snow babies. because it's going to be some powerful stuff there amway. We will be keeping our fingers crossed with halston mr. We won a great mystery husbands that you can't say who it is yet. Stern husband santa wilson. Thank you so much for coming down to the sheriff's screening room. I glass thank you for having me. Hello there zits me jim. The podcast sharper interrupting my own. Podcast which you know about another podcast. That i've worked on. It's a little mini series five episodes coal too many eighty songs and i didn't work on it alone. I got a lot of help. With my buddy bruce you know him better as mr bruce and me here with by far podcast call too many eighty songs and talk about what else eight songs. And it's just a lot of unscripted conversation. No other silliness little trivia and a lot of music so please check it out. New episodes debut. Monday four or five weeks through january and february and you can hear all the songs exclusively on spotify. That's the only place that's playing the two eighty eight hundred songs. Shout little hint. If you don't get to hear disown merit hired on spotify. Check my social media pollution on instagram twitter facebook for the late to all the so we looted in some that. We didn't predict fan of as easy. And you've got a special eighties request or dedication. Send it to me and we get enough requests. We're going to come back and do special request and dedication shelf. Hope you listen if you enjoy it so much unless you're pollution up from you hired a phone don't wanna be then cloudiness in my head fades and i'm left with my day full of didn't make wrong honestly. No credits pamphlet there glass. I keep on goldens futures past pray info. Gold nepad a month sifting through the with another. But hope 'cause i know you is a strain from new console far a drama focus on just one Sometimes carnot beauty and grace zone out there some away. Now old three info go to nepal mud sifting through the rocks with nothing. Hope because i know you exist as estranged from looking so far the trying to folkestone just swamped gold and the puddle. The mud through the rocks. With because i do you from the trans folks own. Just one me absolutely. Nothing but hole exists john onto me. Patch dot com there. You have it. and thanks. So much to shannon wilson for coming on down to the screening room had so much fun with her and we will be back with another show for you you know what. If you like the shell favor. Go on apple podcasts. Or stitcher dot com or iheartradio and leave a nice little review about the show by the word about the sharp aleutian. We can do that right. Shore and if you wanna check this show out online you can go to my website. Sharp pollution dot com. Okay mr bruce. I guess were done with today's interview. You know what. Let's head on out in a subaru. And let's make sure there are no hippos inside of it. 'cause you know they tend to take up a lot of room in the back seat see rebels. Next time vivo sharp pollution. Thanks for listening to the ship. A screening room. Don't forget to subscribe right review and share this podcast. I'm mr bruce and this has been a sherpa loose studios production viva la chapelle aleutian.

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Mark Teixeira on Restart Talks, The Owners' Picasso, Free Agents Not Playing

Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney

46:28 min | 1 year ago

Mark Teixeira on Restart Talks, The Owners' Picasso, Free Agents Not Playing

"Baseball tonight the PODCAST. This is the baseball tonight. Podcast for Thursday may twenty eight two thousand twenty producing from his home studio in Connecticut. Etailers Wayne Buster only working for my home studio just north of New York City When we saw the proposal the other day from the owners to the players one of the first people I thought of was marked to share a longtime player. Obviously a very successful career. But he's someone who really understands the business baseball into today. We're GONNA get a chance to talk to him. I'm looking forward to that in. Also Jay Horowitz longtime media relations director of the New York. Mets joins us to talk about his new book to news notes before we get started former braves catcher before poca. Roca passed away at sixty six. The team announced the sad news on Wednesday on he played all. Ken Was Major League seasons with the Atlanta braves the diamondbacks the mariners had pledged the pay their minor leaguers to August. Of course we heard the other day that the Oakland athletics are not doing this. The public fight compensation continued on Wednesday after the players held to calls Discuss the owners most recent proposal. They agreed to reject the owners proposal and veteran. Max Scherzer one of the eight members of the Union's executive committee sent out this tweet after discussing the latest developments with the rest of the players. There's no need to engage with. Mlb Any further compensation reduction. That's Mac Words in the tweet that he sent out. The players are expected to afford a proposal. Either today or tomorrow that will call for a season longer than eighty two games at according to our Jeff Passan with no salary reductions so we keep waiting for that middle ground to develop between the two sides and meanwhile Trevor Bauer Pitcher for the Cincinnati reds and very aggressive on social media sent this out hearing a lot of rumors about a certain player agent meddling in MLB affairs if true in at this point. These are only rumors. I have one thing to say. Scott Boris repre clients. Whoever you want to but keep your damn personal agenda out of Union Business Taylor. I'm going to bring you in on this I gotta believe that. If you're on management side you love seeing the Inter Union arguments taking shape with trevor. Bauer going after longtime agent. Scott Boras. God. Yeah I mean he's been a past really. It seems like it's for everyone so I'm sure a lot of the players who are also cheering on. Trevor Bauer as I feel like both of us. We've we've heard the rumors too so there's probably some truth to that so yeah. I'm sure they're loving it. I'm sure there are maybe secretly loving the Max Scherzer tweet to being. We'RE NOT GONNA engage in any further compensation deductions and. I actually wanted to bring that sweet up with you. You didn't read it. The last line here in his little note that he posted to twitter. He said I'm glad to hear other players voicing the same viewpoint and believe Major League Baseball's economic strategy would completely change if all documentation were to become public information. That kind of sounds like a threat that there's something that we don't know yet and I you know finally we knew a gumshoe reporter to get into that Well we've been waiting Taylor for the actual documentation from the March twenty seventh agreement to get out. We've seen the memo that the New York Post reported on certainly GONNA ask a market share about that as we move forward before we get to mark. 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Well it's good to be here. Buster always fun talking to you all right. What did you think of the offer? The owners put forward to the players on Tuesday. Well I actually think it was worse than the offer that was floated. A few weeks ago with the fifty fifty revenue split. And you know players. We've we've heard it for the last few weeks players are brought up from the very first time you sit down with your union representation in spring training to distrust the owners and they basically thought that the fifty fifty split wasn't going to be fair. I can't trust the revenue and even though that we all inside the game understand that basically what the players and owners have is a partnership where fifty percent of the revenue goes to the owners. Fifty percent goes to the players. The players didn't trust what the owners were throwing out there for the numbers that they going to be making. Okay so let's get that off the table now the owners come back and say all right if you don't trust us here's your deal and what I see this sliding pay scale deal is basically the owner. Saying I'm GonNa hit the young players against the veterans and the young players. I'm GonNa bet that the young players WanNa play and I'm going to bet that the veterans are going to say no way. This is ridiculous and I'm GonNa let you fight amongst each other until you come back to the table. How effective do you think that could be given the current lay of the land among the players? Well here's the thing buster. I have talked to some young players. I've talked to some agents that had young players. And if you have a guy especially if they consider expanding the rosters which we've all heard that it's a possibility because of the amount of games played in the short period of time and the the short spring training that there will be more players being able to get called up young players. Love it they're like. Hey I get some service time. I'M GONNA start my big league. Career get the pension started. Get that big league you know. Time clicking and so the young players want to play baseball but the older players were taking you know some in some instances and eighty percent haircut for what they thought they were. GonNa make this year. And that's just that's going to be really tough for the players to agree on. On what makes sense from their side? You know how those conversations on the players side go Do you think that that The collective if in fact the owner strategy were to workout and the young players like. Hey let's go and the older players are saying no you know that's not acceptable to us. Who's going to win that? Who's going to win out? Well I think the older players will always win out. And we've seen we've seen since the ninety four ninety five seasons and and you know the terrible strike and the fact that we didn't have a world series in ninety four known wants that to happen again and and I think what I was told that as a first year player in two thousand and two going into my first spring training is the union leadership and the veterans set. The tone and young players. Do what you're told so. I do believe that. The Union will stick together. Now that being said sticking together may mean. We don't have a season this year. And that's what frightens me. The most so if the if the players don't en- fight if the they don't take the bait that the owners have thrown out there they've got to come back to the owners with some sort of proposal that makes financial sense so. Mlb has some sort of incentive to actually play baseball this year because they are going to lose a boatload of money no matter what. What do you think that their next move should be? Because the agents in the players I communicated with the last twenty four hours basically laid out two possibilities one. Even some of the moderate agents in players were like that was insulting. That offer was so bad that I in some respects. They feel like we need to just say. No the comparison. I've been using your professor in college. Who would say? I'm sorry. That is not acceptable. Go back and do it again or do you actually work on taking a proposal forward and almost ignore what the owners gave yesterday. Don't even worry about countering. Just try to find some middle ground. You gotta you gotTa find some common ground and I agree with you. It was a little bit insulting. That's why I said two weeks ago. I think that the right way that the players should have played. This is say okay I understand. You're fifty fifty revenue split. You need to open your books. I'm not going to trust you when you just tell me. This is what we're making. Open your books. It's not that hard to figure out. What the revenues are going to be the TV contracts set. We we pretty much understand what each game means from a from a playoff standpoint and the revenue that's created but if there's no fans in the stands you just take that line item out of the revenue budget there. There is a way for the players to understand what is going to be made in baseball. And then say okay. I'm willing to take ex owners if you're willing to take Y let's cancel. Let's go do a deal. I don't think they should just say no. And and draw a line in the sand. I think the owners need be compelled to to play baseball but understand that the players are actually GonNa meet them halfway. Because you can look at it one way. I can look at another way. I think that deal that they agree to in March is actually what the owners are saying that. I am going to renegotiate this. If we can't have players or can't have fans in the stands and we need to come back to the table and agree on a compromise. I agree with you. I WanNa see if in fact the the Union has the type of agreement the Tony Clark. Scott Boris had been talking about. I WanNa see it in writing. I want to see the actual. The actual terms that they've been referring to and standing upon the last seven weeks. I wrote a column last week texts that I really feel like that. In this moment the players actually have some leverage because the owners losses potentially are so great and I would. I was hopeful and who knows. Maybe it could still happen that the players think big picture and parlay this this leverage of this moment into improving the players standing going for it. Hey let's expand this conversation. Let's talk about trying to alter free agency in a way that helps the players moving forward. Let's talk about Service time manipulation. Let's talk about tanking. You guys need salary relief this year. We're we're willing to talk about that. But on the other hand let's roll into the next. Cba and talk about how we can help us and build a product going forward. What do you think I couldn't agree more with you buster? This is what I would have done if I was a players rep at in March and I was going to be sent Home Ida Call Tony Clark and said Tony. Let me be on the sub committee. We are GonNa go straight to rob tomorrow. Rob Manfred tomorrow and start hammering out a new. Cba understanding that this year is going to be tough on all of us but also knowing that we're in this together this is. This should not be so contentious. The owners have done very well. Over the past few decades. The players have done very well over the past few decades. We should have had the last two months of negotiations where everybody's going to hurt in twenty twenty. The world is hurting in twenty twenty. So let's all take our haircuts on the owner side on the players side understanding that we're compromising here. Let's also compromise for the twenty twenty one. Cba We don't want to shut this game down. And by the way the reason the players need to reach out in this instance is they have way more to lose buster if a player's sits on his but for the next two years because they can't come to some sort of negotiation there's a strike or lockout they get paid nothing. The owners are still living their lives. They have multibillion dollar businesses. They're limiting their lives. I told somebody yesterday. It's almost like owning a Picasso for these owners and they put it in their basement for two years. They miss it but they know they still own. It and their lives aren't going to change that much. So the PL- it's up to the players in my mind to really hammer it home to the owners that we want to be good partners but you have to meet US halfway here techs. I totally agree with you and I'd say this too. I feel like that the players need to understand that if there is no baseball. If there's no agreement this summer I feel like at that point on the owner side. The feeling might be like you know what we can't work with this leadership group on the Union side. Fine we're just GonNa sit back and let chaos develop on the other side and we're going to eventually get to a financial system that we find to be workable because we can't work with these people is basically going to become the attitude yet and I hope it doesn't come to that buster but there is a chance that it does and I hate to say it but this is this is basic economics this is the free market and your players and agents and the MLB talk about free market. Free Market pre-market. Well this is how the free market works if my business is losing money. I'm going to shut it down. And then when it's time to reopen. I'm going to go ask my employees. Hey listen guys can't afford to pay as much until things better and so I would hate for the owners to use this opportunity to the union because the amount this is our lives this is. This is why you're talking to me right now is because I made a living playing baseball. I was so lucky to be able to do that for fourteen years. And we had leadership with Donald Fear and Michael Weiner. That always told that line okay. We're GONNA PUSH WE'RE GONNA push but at the end of the day. This is our lives and we are gonNA compromise in some places if this set of union leadership in this set of players. Don't understand that twenty twenty is a once in a lifetime. Hopefully so unique situation and compromise for this year I think they could unfortunately setting themselves up for disaster this off season going into twenty twenty one. How have you felt about the public conversation around money? Which both sides have contributed to the very well-timed strategic leaks From the owner side tried to put pressure on the players. Tony Clark Scott Bores and you know Blake Snell a couple of other players adding to it. Because I know this it's made me cringe for all of them. How you felt about it. I agree and I don't think that any of this Serve the fans. Which is I kind of feel like I represent the fans now buster. Espn me and said they you. After my career wants to be an analyst. It's not to work for the players or work for the owners. It's we think the fans want to hear what you have to say techs and so if I'm talking to the fans right now right if a fan right now. I'm saying you guys be quiet because it is. It's the old cliche. It's millionaires and billionaires fighting over more money than any fan or ninety nine percent of fans will ever see in their lives so it's very tough for the average fan to feel sympathy for either side by the way and we saw what happened in ninety four ninety five. I was in high school then I was. I was in the middle of the height of my baseball fan when the game got shut down and I know a lot of fans a lot of my friends that never went back and it took a long time. Everyone said that Sosa mcgwire. The Chase of ninety eight brought baseball back was four five four years later. Buster we can't have that happen again. Baseball HAS BEEN LOSING FANS FOR YEARS. And if if the players and owners wanted just kind of tone down the rhetoric and understand that they're upsetting their fans come to an agreement and let's let's not try to play this through the media because it doesn't make them look good and during ninety four ninety five and that that labor stoppage there weren't thirty million people out of work. There weren't a bunch of people losing their jobs. Which heightens everything that you're just talking about Again based on your experience. Do you feel like that. The the owners the players are going to feel that pressure of that potential narrative that hey if the NHL gets going the NBA gets going And meanwhile baseball can't work out their financial differences a pox on both their houses. Do you think the two sides that pressure will manifest during these talks to the next week I think it will but I I do think there are some silver bullets. That Major League Baseball has You're one of the things that came out of the early. Two thousands was the debt service rule. And we don't you know me and you can talk about this for hours and the business of baseball and I don't WanNa bore fans but you know most teams have less debt than they ever have had and so if you can allow teams to take on more debt and feel this short term pain but not actually have to go into their pocket books. 'cause most owners will tell you. Listen I'm in this for the long haul. This is something for my family. I want to own this for the city and and way down the road. I'll sell it and make some money. I JUST DON'T WANNA burn through two hundred million dollars this season trying to make ends meet so I do think that Major League baseball has some ways that they can you know. Lessen the pain for the owners But but we have to understand that the players need to say okay. What can I? What can you give me Major League? Baseball? What can you give the owners Major League baseball that this works for everybody? Because it's not gonNa feel good for any player only making twenty twenty five percent of his salary when I will argue. I'M GONNA be on the players side on this one. You're still putting your body at risk and those players that that go into free agency or still putting their bodies at risk and I guarantee you buster. There's going to be Tommy. John Surgeries this season and a lot of them. Were going to be blamed on well. This guy didn't have enough time at spring training so I think eventually players and owners will understand that there are ways to move forward and I am cautiously optimistic as as bad as it looks today. I'm cautiously optimistic. For some sort of agreement in the next few weeks well he led perfectly into my next question for you. This is based on conversations of adults twenty four hours with players in with agents. You went into free agency. You're one of the highest payed free agents in the history of baseball. If in fact what we get. This summer is shorten a truncated season. Which let's face it. If there's some hot spots it could be reduced thirty games to sixty games to ninety games and you are potentially a free agent. How does that change requ about whether or not you participate? You know the comparison that I have heard today are those. Nfl prospects who go through the combine or not go through the combine depending on where they stand. You're a player and you have your in recent years you played well it would there be some incentive for you to talk about. Hey I'm concerned about the health risks but mostly be concerned about how a small sample size could define your free agency in a way that you never would have expected absolutely and I think you know you can take that Same College. Football analogy and players. That don't play ball games rights risk of getting hurt right so I would say that the teams that have a chance to win a world series. There guys are gonNA play. Could you imagine a free agent? Dj Lemay you or someone like that calling Aaron Boone being like Hey Buni I know we're in first place and we're GONNA win the world series this year but I just I don't want to risk it anymore. I'M NOT GONNA I'm not gonNA play it. It's hard for me to believe it's hard for me to believe that any player on a winning team or a team. That has a chance to win. A World Series won't play now if I'm playing for a team. That's not has zero chance of winning a world series in the oriels or the. Marlins or one of those teams and a free agent. I might say you know what this isn't worth it for me and I wouldn't be completely against that. I you know this is. This is going to be a year that we see some weird stuff. Hopefully we see some weird stuff because we're actually playing baseball and you will start seeing pitchers at you know halfway through the season so you know what man my shoulders. A little sore. I'm going into free agency. I'm out or a hitter. Who gets you know a tight hamstring one game like man if I pop this thing and need surgery and I'm going into free agency next year. That's a that's a black mark on my resume. I'm out and I I wouldn't fault these guys because they're already playing for less money that they deserve and they're putting their body at risk hundred percent. I think there's going to be rash tax on one hundred percent and each player is going to have to make his own decision about how to handle that. I appreciate your perspective. Thanks for doing this. Hour's fun buster before we get to J check out the latest episode of the meantime show featuring lenny this week. Meena talks to eagles tackle lane Johnson about posing nude what makes Carson wentz special and mental health awareness plus Dominic Foxworth stops by to talk the. Nfl's new measures aimed at improving diversity in coach and front office hiring. Find it wherever you get. Your podcast Horowitz. Started work with the New York mets on April first nineteen eighty for most of his time. The team He was the longtime media relations director. And he's the author of the new book. Mister met how Sports Mad kid from New Jersey from Jersey became like family. Two generations of big leaguers. J. The only thing wrong with you. You're you're a New York giants fan which I've never understood how you could maintain that allegiance with all the all the struggles they've had I play my father buster. He was a Willie mays fan and he. He was a foot giants fan. Jimmy how or way back to fifty. So he was his fault we have. We have a lot could championship zone in. My father led me right way though. Yeah I'm well aware that because every time of course I see remind me that my Minnesota Vikings have never won a super bowl in you on the other hand you still a season ticket holder for the giants nineteen fifty eight by what the famous Colt Game L. Time game when the Horse of meet you ran right towards me a sexy seventeen the Yankee Stadium and to the Yale Bowl. I was the joke game and you name it. I I've mellowed. I don't go crazy. We lose now some older and more mature all right so tell me about the process of writing the book and the support that you got from players in doing this. Because I'm sure you know knowing whenever I get asked about possible interviews with the mets. That always say now. J. Will Get the players to participate. Jay's great about getting the players to participate because of their respect for you well distancing buster philosophy three the years with I always try to treat the number twenty five guard. It's like the number one guy. I never really tried to play favorites. And they'll tell you you know the players see how you treat other people and I try to treat everybody the same and truly here that I just wrote relationships and people think that I I really can't think of a guy why didn't get along with. They kick midstate in my house for a couple of weeks. Early Eighties I never really had a bad relationship with eighty two guys and when I decided to write this book you know I'm nearing the end of my career. Now I'm the head of the alumni now and I've always been able to laugh at myself. What better way to put some jokes or memory makes people laugh and you know especially Tigres now maybe people crack a joke. I also wanted to pay tribute to Shannon Ford. Who worked for me for twenty two years and died of breast cancer couple years ago. Dual thing to put my career down. You know I I know I wanNA chaps. I said I was born with an idea defect. My I had go coma when my mother had Germany's carried me and I never really told anybody survey twelve or thirteen. I had I've I've had artificial I. We always embarrass or shame. Say That publicly is not like debut to cover or gone. Kiss or we're not at that port perfectly. They can make something of their lives and that was kind of the reasons why I decided to do this book. And they're pretty cool that support he got from Jacob degrom Jacob degrom. We had you know I'm about forty years old. And Jacob Schick a and the reason they wanted him to write fort was to show I connected with other people you know with the younger guy so get Kabila had kind of a great relationship he always did stuff for me but always like Predator like Jacob could you to you and we had a basketball court in the middle of the Locker Jay if you make two or three shots I'll do it into before I'm stated for an hour trying to make to us. We just never did and he would always you for for a jake. How an interview really got to come out in the field. It fuck goes to Stephen Matt tonight for about a half hour five polls correctly. We'll do the interview so we had a little game back and forth I understood could be part of the locker was fabric. You guys now. You could take a joke. You're what am I didn't want to be? Perceived be a suitor stuffed shirt. You know I could. I wanted to relate to the guys you know for forty years kind of work. Read Buster Jay. I'M GONNA ask you to choose among children so to speak. Tell me a clare. Three time with a man questions coming Give me one or two. I'll give you some wriggle-room Give me one or two or three players that you've especially liked working with well. I have a lot of wanted one as you know and I mean three and hopefully you know. Make Anybody Mad. You know John Franco I could have written a book of all the jokes he played on me. My favorite joke was the old biltmore hotel in in Los Angeles. Johnny had the idea he got the keys to my room. Unscrewed A horse. It from Wabi brought it up to my room putting onto my bed protective on my pillow. Shut the lights so I must have a heart attack at Johnny J at the guys don't like you. They rode screw with you. And I guess they're like being a little bit because he's screwing me on a lot David Wright another one of my favorites I always say is is is good player. He was he was one hundred times. Better Person Start his own foundation When he was twenty one twenty two years old you always gotta he never turn away autograph and you know and they just a as we say in my religion he he was real mench. You know. Go back to a Mookie Wilson and Gary Card together from the sixteen. You know Gary was just a great person. He he got kids alive because he did a lot of interviews but he was always very how Ulta me and another great cherry guy in. Mookie I always you know they always used to see much. I question you move with. How did you get the nickname mookie? Well they'll great secrets when I was a kid. I didn't print outs military right way. We say what books and my mother daughter Mookie pronounced. No did you have pets. It's really so many other guys with allied or on the mature todd deal. I mean you said I've been fortunate up my first manager. Joe Torre my last night at your Jerry can re college. I've been blessed to work with a lot of great people. The name of the book is Mr Matt. How a sport's mad kid from Jersey became like family. Two generations of big leaguers yet. David Wright I know is someone who like yourself very much touched by in Shannon Ford who I got to know as beat writer covering the team. She was with the Organization for a long time And all of you are so supportive to Shannon as she went through her fight starts from the top Bus You know Jeff Wilpon. Two years she was sick just so kind to her and you know we always stop by off. Hello and just just to just made her feel part of the part of the team but can't so much coverage. She was diagnosed with breast cancer in two thousand twelve hundred eleven. It's great She couldn't have surgery and she like how just to. You know to go to work. Every inch people came by how you feel and got to the point. Sharon would shut the door. She just wanted to. You know to work and by Tom. We in the world series and she fifty. She was sick as a dog with cancer. Spread all over her body but you will the way to get the Kansas City in series and she was especially close with David Wright and chew would sit with him in the locker room and she chewed always Howard. David feeling feeling never wanted to talk about herself. And then when she passed in the spring of two thousand sixteen with nine majorly key with nine who how the moment of silence for her pretty good for. Pr Person to get their respected. You know end up. E- helped built this field. Her on or in your hometown short Sharon for baseball field and and high schools and colleges players the great great tribute to earn we. Just church was just an off to charge about. So that's that's why I want people not to forget her. Remember what she did for the you know. Great legacy and a great woman. Yeah about his nicer person. As I've ever met in the sport and I appreciate your your kind words about our for sure I want you to do some storytelling and I was telling Taylor producer. Before we got started that he can't imagine the curious case of. Sid finch playing out in the current media setting in the way that it did on April fools. Nine thousand nine hundred eighty five. This was something that I J. I didn't realize before I read your book that this wasn't only sports illustrated and George Clinton Mark Mobile Editor. An idea that they had for this April fool's Day joke. But you guys were heavily involved in this. Yeah we got with great Which one you probably marches that frank has call me? These said George plugging Mark Ball. We called they want us to participate in this in this idea as it. Frank I love it. I said when I came from really dictates guys like you know a baseball player that hit by Pitch Twenty eight times forty seven priests the played hockey anything up to charge. I'm in so April first. Nineteen eighty five key article. We we we stay. We signed different five flame throwing pitcher from a foreign country who could throw one. Hundred Ninety. Mph fastball something. Like that so we when it came out that day. We had a cover of sorts illustrated though Jay Jay. This was the cover of sports illustrated. This wasn't like buried in the notes in the back. This was the cover story but but the covers with the the first paragraph where he hadn't read the first words of the first paragraph. This is an April fools joke and nobody picked up on it so we had worked out when Mel Stottlemyre when he came out. We had a tent in our own hug. Stanko fieldhouse so we we told to. Riders outdated sit. Was working out here. But you couldn't see him and we brought some players to talk so we bird the whole neglect. Ron Reynolds are catch him or catches in so now. And Ron Reynolds stood outside the tent. Ron Shows his glove and this is from a hundred thirty mile or a curveball. My hand is broken out of what I can do that day. I got a call from His the paper used to work for one of the editors in the paper called me screaming at me saying how could you give this story to SL? We cover your daily. It's really not right. I'm really upset. Gets the Guy Bob for lack of a better word? How would you feel that Your Guy? Got This exclusive. I gave it around just protecting the guy and you know that's right thing to do. We kept this going for a day or two and finally you know. Finally people read the story. Got Out that sit fits was You know with with Fifth Minnesota Imagination. We kept going to start you days just probably about. We could've kept going for two minutes in this day and age the following year now laying we hear the same day. We announced his retirement because he couldn't pitch hitting me with back in a mountain but it was fun. What the best thing I've ever apart but I loved it. I really loved it. Yeah I used to work the New York Times. And you're saying that the sports editor called you to complain that this story about the superstar prospect went to sports illustrated the New York Times. Yes Sir yes sir. It's unbelievable when nameless remote veterans name. I know who it is. But we'll we'll leave it alone all right so you were in the mets clubhouse for one of the greatest comebacks in the history of baseball game six thousand nine hundred eighty six world series. The mets are one strike away from being eliminated and they rally and the story goes Keith. Hernandez made one of the first outs in that inning. And then he went back into the clubhouse and he was right next to you is that rally played out. We were three of us. David charge goes me. Daryl Johnston who you know. We managed to Red Sox scout former coach with that. We're sitting there sitting myself. How name a guard at Mike an Alibi this one hundred and fourteen games in the regular season? And now we're one strike away from winning the world series then then Kid Gary Cardi cocky. I I think I started to go to the bathroom. Get up and key said don't move. We gotta stay what we're doing then. Kevin Mitchell Ray Knight mookie Than than you know. Next day we're three nothing in group growly and then we have the parade. It's really zone believable. How how that happened. I mean I watched. I watched game the other night. And you see David Johnson Millstone by sending their dug up by themselves. And it's really remarkable. I know there's another great rallies but you come from you know to outs went strike and after all the you know we just an average team it would have been bad but you know we. We were destined to win the world series. The first we training anything less was not acceptable. Found a way to do to get it done. I give me some quick thoughts. I'm GONNA give you some names Darrell Strawberry who was a superstar prospect. Is You join the mets drafted number one overall? He went through a lot of troubles but as I said to him when I talked to him recently. I feel like he's such a great success story and you know and I know that he really feels like that. The journey he went on helped him get him to the place that he's at now. You know one of my worst mistakes are made superiore guy. When he came up in eighty three. I didn't protect our like I should have Opened them up all the interviews blocked Ted Williams on the curve. Sl You know. He's really turned his life around tremendously. He you know he is wife. Tracy ministers preaching to evil drugs. Really you know really a great success story yeah. Maybe he's not in hall of fame but he's made his life. You could come a hall of fame right. And he's helped kids all the time. He's on the road event to her days. A year traveling around fifty two kids when you think of the eighty six mets A. Dr Are you think of them? We great reverence or is there part of you? That's a little bit wistful with regret because that group wasn't able to win more than they did. I hear you don't buster. It's I was. I had just started subway. I really age wise with more densify with them was such a remarkable heen. You know maybe we should have one more debt stuff that we did during the year. The the fight that Ray Knight got into when he clocked their Davis third base. Who's a lot of great memories you know? I mean A. We had to walk back. They're not alibi. You know we win. Ninety five ninety eight games. Don't get in the playoffs chew. He didn't win but it was just a remarkable group of guys who different personalities blended together to one year and even though it was more than what it should. Maybe you should be more than one. Always saver that one year and it was just glad to be the first game after nine eleven At Shea Stadium and the of it it was. You know background in that. This was a team that was meant for that kind of a tragedy. You know from ownership to you know to Bobby Valentine to to Robin tied in Dance Wilson. Got a find so the old dot would take to to to to go to down to ground zero. We went into a lot of ties with no media. No cameras the players. The Johnny Franco's direction donate a day salary rusty's tops fund which is got what you know. We just got what it takes to play a game and and when my kids are home run that was tremendous he was was but the leading up the after was I was so proud of what our organization is a whole. I really truly believe we help the city. He'll and we kept going we. We in Tuesday's children. He took care of the kids. Who Lost a parent there? We make contact hospital it. You really just you know. Eighty six was great. Espn music one thing. I was most proud of we. Probably our team reacted after nine eleven. Yeah Bobby Valentine in and the aftermath of nine eleven I remember seeing him the year after and I think it might have been used said to me that he had worked himself Besides the hours that he was putting his manager of the New York mets he was working himself too exhausted. And you try to help people and then what happened. Bus One of his best friends was a jumper who couldn't get out and jump to death and that really affected bobby and he really does lead. The recovery ever effort Shea Stadium was a was a with a recovery. We are players. Passes UP TO SEND DOWN DOWNTOWN. And Bobby just became so interwoven with that whole thing. I just you know I mean he just really really affected him but he he really deserves a lot of credit. He led the team what we did. And it was a good thing to be part of. J congratulations on the books that you have so many stories and your giants still stink well for soup bills versa. Without you bet thanks Jack. Bleacher tweets already buster bleacher tweets. Four thirsty first off shoutout to mark to share a fellow in Toronto County Probably not our current resident but He grew up in the same area as I did. Severna Park Nice. Yeah let's go with Jerry here at Blues Cards Tiger. Sounds like he's a little confused with his twitter handle but we'll we'll throw him out there. Hope you have your resume ready since the owners and players are killing the game. We love if they don't play this summer. In a couple of years major baseball will be no more than a niche sport only relevant during the championship. That's he just had that statement My question for you buster aside from your farming background which we've talked about extensively. Have you ever thought about what you would do? If you didn't cover baseball or covers sports an alternate career path yet. Taylor I'm the fastest bagel Baker and three states. I don't know if you knew that. I baked BAGELS for two years in in Shops in New Hampshire and Tennessee and because imprint Vermont I also claimed that state hundred twenty five dozen an hour I could bake wow very fast bagel. Baker. Yeah so that that's what I'm looking back following all kidding aside and not kidding I actually did baked bagels and I was a Bagel Baker What did you think of what Tech said in our conversation? Just he was very honest about the whole thing. And we've kind of I feel like it's taken us a while to get to this point about you know talking about the real reality of of what's happening here. I feel like you in Mattie had a great conversation about but it's you know it's the pessimism is real. I feel like most people are not optimistic about where this is going. And it was sad but refreshing to hear what he had to say. Joe Wilkins at Joe. Stroh five seven two seven rates in if the MLB PA players refused to play would it be within the realm of possibility for Major League Baseball owners to bring in replacement players. There's probably a lot minor leaguers who'd be willing to accept affordable deals to play. What do you think the likelihood of US yeah and I lived through the replacement player Spring training of nineteen ninety five. In fact I was covering the when the Orioles Peter. Angels refuse to participate in the replacement players. scheme No I don't think that's anywhere close on the horizon either. They're going to come to an agreement and they'll attempt to play this year or as they won't attempt to to come to an agreement and all these labor issues will be hunted into spring. Good Times last. One up for today at Jaiqi R. S. Seven. Nine writes in. It's obvious you think Marcus semi a good story. Can you think of other players who have had a similar career? Trajectory awful starts to their career but improved with hard work to become MVP caliber there. A ton I mean. Baseball is filled with these stories because You know players make adjustments and they find things we've talked about. Trevor Hoffman. I was talking to Doug Brocail recently about Trevor Altering the grip of change up and going from being a pretty good reliever to be in a hall of Famer Labor. None of my favorite stories is at Matt Carpenter when Taylor. I don't know if you know his background but when he was a freshman sophomore at TCU. He was really fat like he was heavy. And this is the word that he used and he weighed like two hundred and sixty pounds and Jim Slash Nagel the TCU coach basically called him in and said you need to get serious. If you WANNA play baseball you gotta get serious. And it was one of those a come to Jesus moments and he did and he lost a lot of weight and he probably weighs about eighty pounds less than the pictures that I've seen them at. Tcu winds up getting drafted by the cardinals. I think thirteenth round or fourteenth around and had this tremendous career but he described that you know that moment when he heard what His coach told him and he was like he's right. I gotta get serious or I'm going to be out of baseball. And he's turned around wonderful career. Big Boy that's to sixty man that doesn't for Bleacher tweets subscribe rate in reviewed. This podcast wherever you enjoy your podcast. We would very much appreciate that. That's it for today Emma. Thanks the texts. The Jay Taylor have a great day. 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Ingrid Newkirk Is Animal Rights Provocateur In Chief

The Rich Roll Podcast

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Ingrid Newkirk Is Animal Rights Provocateur In Chief

"You shouldn't just being kind to animals within the context of using them. They're the nations that just like us. We are animals. We need to stop seeing them as hamburgers and handbags and tools for such. We need to see them as other individuals and treat them with respect. Leave them in peace. You are not a god as a human being and they are not trash now. They are feeling emotional. Complex intelligences and yet you have them in chains in cages. You're hitting them with a bullhook or a whip. You're throwing things down their throats to test your medicines and cosmetics hands-off just the same way we now understand with certain other human beings. I say so easy if you really care and so many people do care is just. Don't buy anything that comes from animal. Because either the animal gave up their life for it. Or they're kept him confinement for years and years or it was stolen from them and they need it every living being deserves respect. That's Ingrid newkirk and becks is the retro podcast ritual podcast people. I'm rich roll your fellow Homo Sapien. Member of the Animal Kingdom wishing you well being from what I think is if I'm not mistaken now week. Eight of voluntary quarantine here in the United States. I hope this finds you safely ensconced in your domicile healthy and making ends meet amidst the challenges and to those who can't afford to remain at home our healthcare service and food workers. Thank you good to be here with all of you guys today. My guest today needs very little introduction. The one the only the singular and at times infamous animal rights force of nature. That is Ingrid newkirk. You guys knew this was coming at some point right. Well if not or if for whatever reason Ingrid's name doesn't ring a bell. 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Just use the discount code role at checkout to get fifteen percent off their delicious fungi fuels. Okay so here's the thing no matter how you come down on Beata. It really can't be disputed that this organization quite literally put animal welfare on the map because before Ingrid there really was no significant animal rights movement to speak of and without her work her passion her stewardship the cultural legal and regulatory landscape that dictates norms around how we think about and treat animals certainly would not be what it is today. This is someone who has dedicated every single breath to what she believes in combating injustice taking action to change what many of us simply would prefer to deny or avoid by instead looking suffering straight in the eye and actually doing something about it and that kind of will that level of purpose the courage to speak truth to power the tenacity to weather that level of persistent criticism and stay. The Course for change I think is really rare. It's impressive and quite frankly laudable behind it all. There is an undeniable sincerity to this media savvy and at times controversial provocateur. She's Complex. She's also very kind deeply sensitive and as you momentarily will discover extremely charismatic. Self aware and actually surprisingly funny. I just think there's a lot to be learned from her example. So today's conversation is of course about her work with PITA. It's about the history and current state of animal rights and activism including a dive into animal lab testing which is a subject. I freely admit to not knowing as much about as I should. It's also a rumination on what can be learned from the intelligence and emotionally rich lives of our under appreciate an animal friends and why the beings with whom we share. This planet deserve our respect. Which is the focus of new book animal kind? But more than anything this is a philosophical dissection of beliefs and values. And how Ingrid's have indelibly shaped policy and culture around the globe final note. This conversation was recorded pre pandemic on February eighteenth therefore there is no corona virus discussion. However I think our messages profoundly of the moment I would have loved to have heard. Ingrid's thoughts on how are imbalanced? Relationship to animals has actually created the circumstances for this type of pandemic disease. But short of that I would like to reference a small portion of Bill Maher's closing monologue in last week's episode of Real time which in case you missed it he in my opinion perfectly captured in unappreciated truth behind our current calamity to paraphrase animal. Cruelty leads to human catastrophe. America's factory farms are just as despicable and problematic for our health not just the animal's health as the wet markets in Wuhan where the virus erupted in the first place most if not all infectious diseases. Zoonotic they start animals and jumped to humans. Are you surprised when diseases thrive animals are forced into inhumane conditions the opposite conditions the CDC is recommending for us? We can't keep trashing the environments including animals. Not Expect to face catastrophic repercussions. I'd say that's perfectly put. Humans need to stop seeing ourselves as gods. Our intelligence is not the gauge of the Animal Kingdom. And so in this moment of forced repose it is incumbent upon us to rethink reimagined reinvent. Our many broken systems and perhaps most important among them is our relationship with living beings with whom we share. This imperilled planet Ingrid here to recalibrate that Relationship Ingrate. So nice to see you. Thank you for coming out here to talk to me today pleasure. Thanks very much for doing this. We're going to try to be an antidote to our sound bite culture and we we have all the time in the world ago as deep and as long as you like to go. That sounds very good and very unusual. Yeah well write much needed in. In this culture right we've lost our ability to have mature conversations with nuance that's right. There's no depth things anymore. Although I enjoyed you on Bill Maher recently. That was fun He's so kind he he really is. He's the first person I've ever heard the only person I ever heard. Say that his dogs of the only ones who greet him as if he's the Beatles when he comes home. Yeah he's he's he's one of those people that I think. He has a aversion to humankind in a certain way he also lets people. He disagrees with. Speak the piece of course then. He argues honestly which is something. I very much respect to mad with him because he hears the arguments out so he he's not sort of a rush limbaugh where he's very opinionated and he only has people who agree with him on his show. Right has the gamut he does. It's always fun when he's jousting with somebody that he doesn't agree with but he's on board with everything that you've been doing for ages and ages. He's on our board. He's on a board member yes and he has been. He was one of the very first if not the first so he has a big heart for animals. Will congratulations on the new book animal? Kind thank you. It's a lovely read. I found it to be. It wasn't what I was expecting. It's just kind of like this rumination on the beauty and complexity of animals of all species if I can. I'll read the which I have to read. Actually I can't remember the subtitle because that's integral to. It is remarkable animal kind remarkable discoveries about animals and revolutionary new ways to show them compassion. Because you're right. I did want to open. People's eyes to who animals are and all their abilities. Their talents their emotions. The complex where the way they communicate just anything and everything and you pick up so much information. It's hard to figure out what's not only interesting but relevant to how we treat them and the second part of the book is learning how to treat them better than we have been right. You divided it into two parts. The first part is kind of this exploration of of the unique talents of variety of species rather than anthropomorphized these animals. You really look at. What makes them unique and special and in many in so many ways more talented more intelligent than human beings you know the the the kind of underlying theme of the whole thing is historically. We've looked at the animal kingdom along this linear spectrum of intelligence and capability right and this really Ben's that by saying the more we learn the more we realize that it doesn't work that way that almost every single animal has something about them that makes them not just more adapted to their environment but but talented in ways in incapacities that humans lack. So there's an argument to be made that their intelligence exceeds that of our own in so many ways in countless ways. Actually yeah you're right. I mean we have and I go into this in the book. We've had really pathetic ways to determine animal intelligence because we've set the standard at human intelligence which is one intelligence among many and you know the animals. The other animals may not be able to make a nuclear warheads that might be a really good thing may not pollute the rivers with chemicals from leather tanneries. I hats off to them. So that's what our intelligence has brought about. I mean other things too. We have anesthetics. We have all sorts of things. Because we're so creative but I think the average human being take me. I couldn't make a cell phone. I couldn't make an aircraft. I just use those things. I use this technology. So even the average human can't be judged by what humankind has come up with so the book animal kind is to say. Look we're all animals? It's a great orchestra of life if you will but human intelligence is not the gauge because animals as you say they have extraordinary talents that far out do from sense of smell eyesight a homing instinct feeling seismic waves before an earthquake happens for goodness sake Knowing that as soon nahmias coming elephants in Thailand trying to break the chains run before anybody else knew was happening but all the ways that they have devised to deal with our world because we have taken over their world. It's now our world you know it's shouldn't be anthropomorphic either as you said it's not as if humans are alone in having certain emotions like love fear and loneliness and grief all. That's a shared emotional. Those shared emotions so there is now and I go into this in the book. This we've come from the great chain of being which is where early mostly Christians. Or if maybe exclusively. Christians decided God was at the top and then there were angels than there were bishops than there are kings and Queens for intelligence all the way down to peasants and under peasants believe it or not actors we should meet very upset and then under them stones I mean under them snakes and reptiles oddly at the bottom right because place in the biblical Canon exactly and so. It was all very religious. And that's how we graded animal life and animal intelligence from that. We have come to this thing now. Called the mirror test which scientists have used for some years to see how intelligent animals are and that is. Can they recognize themselves in a mirror now? Tribal peoples have sometimes failed this test. I should point out. They don't mention that because a tribal person might see their mirror image and think it someone attacking them and attack the mirror so chimpanzees. Everybody says Oh yes. Of course they pass it. Because they're primates like us serve highly intelligent. We like chimpanzees but this little fish called the Rask's who's about the size of my finger has also passed it. She can recognize yourself in the mirror and start preening. Kim Kardashian somebody and then Luckily she can't take selfies but she's passed the test. I think it's what we don't know about animal intelligence well. Most people are familiar with the complexity of a Dolphin language. Or Out of the Wales and we're aware of the MICRA Tori habits of many species of birds but there's a lot of new examples that I'd never heard of in this book. That are pretty mind blowing. I mean what are some of your favorite? You know most kind of impressive there are so many you know rich. I collect information about animals but in the research for this book I learned a lot. I I didn't know there is a moth who actually communicates with IRIDESCENCE. And you have to be aligned. You probably have to be another moth. But you have to be aligned in such a way with their wings that you can see how the light catches them to know what they're communicating. And of course cuttlefish. I did know this can communicate with patterns of light and waves on one side of their body to say flirt with another cuttlefish and not show that a tool on the other side where they might be showing anger or being fierce against another cuttlefish that they want to stay away but we have tree frogs drum out their messages on Bach and we have actually city frogs now that used drainpipes to amplify their sound because human sounds in cities are now so loud. Right you talk about that with birds and how they have to strain their voices now in order to get their calls heard and received and get up earlier because our rush hour gets earlier and Russia is more din and so the birds getting up earlier so they can hear each other before humans. Take it over. You even go so far as to talk about Slime Mold. Go all the way down to the single celled animals. I think I put in slime mold because to me. It's startling. Does a slime. Mold can actually navigate a maze and a slime. Mold has some way of for lack of a better word thinking about things working things out that makes us surely stop in our tracks and think if a slime hold can figure something out. I'd better not short. Change the others because you said you know. We know a lot about say how birds navigate by the stars by low frequency. Radio waves. That we didn't even know existed tolls sensing like the magnetism of the polls. Your work this. The Earth's magnetic field. They are absorbing that using it using its navigation to think about things. But we don't actually actor on that we think. Oh that's interesting. And that's why the second part of animal kind was so important to me because it says hang on a minute. If you've learned all these phenomenal jaw-dropping orange wearing things about animals. Then it's got to inform your behavior you can't just go that's interesting and move on and continue to disrespect them or not. Give them credit or think of them as those those others you know. I think you make that point very plainly and clearly but it's such a difficult Sort of gap to to to bridge in the sense that it's it's not necessarily about the information. The information is important and the more that you can inform and educate people about the you know the nuances of intelligence and the emotional lives of these animals and the ability that they have to communicate and all of that. But what is really required to move the needle in terms of people's behavior. You know if it was just information we would of solve this problem a long time ago. Good Point and obviously with the Environment. If it was just information we would have salt ever longtime or pick your subject. Yeah there has to be sometimes a threat or some almost cataclysmic occurrence that shakes up. It usually takes some big thing that happens that makes you think. Oh this could impact me today. I do believe people have woken up. At least a lot of people have woken up to the environmental threat but they are trying to wangle their way around it. Do I really have to make these changes? How many changes do I have to make so in animal kind? I point out that eating animals for example and it should be enough to just say good. God I'm a civilized person. I think I'm a kind person. I'm not going to put money into the slaughterhouse transportation of these animals. But it's not enough as you say you need to think. What about my grandchildren then Or what if I fly less or the new thing now is plastic straws in a great appeal? Don't use a plastic Straw. What start with naughty. The fish yeah exactly. Let's even look at. I'm such a good person. I'm not using a plastic Straw. That's great well anything my fish sandwich and you'd look the trash in the ocean. Most of it isn't plastic straws. It's mostly discarded fishing gear. It's those big trawling nets other things Wales now. We have off the coast of California. Even who are being weighed down by crab traps. I mean do you really have to eat a crab? Is that important to you to eat a fish. You know just leave it be so couple that with your Straw so I do think you're right. People are people need a jolt and so I try to give them the amazing things about animals for their sympathy for their empathy for their understanding. That yes at the end of the day. Most people need to have a flood earthquake in the end of the world. Right it has to be legalized. I mean people are inherently. I believe empathetic and live their lives in that manner but I think the further the greater distance there is between a decision that's made and the kind of impact of that decision. The more difficult it is to change the behavior so for example with plastic straws like wedding that to the environmental. You know downstream impact of that is so distant from the choice of whether you're GonNa put a straw on your cup at starbucks that it's hard to. It's hard to get people to change. I think the food that is on our plate is a little bit more direct because you see the animal product and you can understand that something had to be killed for that but still you're not the person doing the slaughtering right or if you're wearing a leather belt or whatever it is it's easy to sort of remain myopic to that but the closer. I think education is goes a long way towards wedding those things together so that people can do their own inherent math and realize the downstream impact of the choices. That were were making. But but it's tricky. I mean you spent your whole life. You know on this on this issue and I gotta say on some level you've got to. It's got to be incredibly gratifying to see how far this movement has come since you got into this and one thousand nine hundred seventy S. Yeah we weren't an overnight success and tell you that you know all social movements and that's something that actually gives me hope is I not only look at how society has changed. I mean when we were starting one thousand nine hundred eighty we were pioneers. Believe it or not things like soap powder you had to buy an co op if you could find it. Mix It with water by hand or with a whisk and now you go to the supermarket and you stare for ten minutes thinking do I want the Macadamia or the. It's just ridiculous. So yes how far? We've come but all social movements go through the same thing in ridicule discussion acceptance. And I think we've come quite a long way. But yeah I I'm not necessarily gratified it so much as I try to be optimistic because I can only be hopeful looking back at how far we've come and people who are in their twenties today in this is like a feminist movement. You have no idea with women's rights how far we have come with everything civil rights. How far we have come much much further to go right. So the foot's not coming off the gas not no. You can pry my fingers from the ethical treatment of animals. Well let's take it back. I mean you were born in England but you were really raised in New Delhi right. Is that what you spent your formative years? Well India. My parents were in New Delhi and I was shunted away to hill station boarding schools. Because it's too hot in Delhi in the summer and so yes. I was raised by nuns in the hills. Because why much allergic to announce today I can only imagine but your mom worked with mother Theresa. She did and when I went home for the holidays was an orphanage in New Delhi. There was one in Calcutta and we used to pack Pills for lepers. We used to stuff Toys for the kids. We used to go over and play with them and all that kind of stuff but she also took an animal's. She always said to me. It doesn't matter who suffers but that they suffer and if the something you can do about it shake a leg well you real interest in in in animal suffering and animal rights wouldn't come until much later but obviously that that's a powerful seed that was planted early. I always you know how some people are drawn to art. I don't understand tool tall but I always was drawn to animals and so it it wasn't later. It was at that time in childhood. I was the one saying. Oh Mommy look. There's somebody beating a bull by the side of the rotor. Oh look there's a dog in that drainage ditch now I always had that did you have personal interactions with Mother Teresa. I did and I never met her. Never met her at all. My Mother did but I didn't show she worked with her directly times. Yes and there were lots of volunteers mostly ex patriots. Who are over with free time. And we're able to help with charities in India so my mother was big on unwed mothers. She looked-after That because they were ostracized cost out in society and our children. She always loved children and animals too. But yeah lepers the the lot so you take your your fine Catholic private school upbringing and somehow find your way to Maryland at some point. I did It was a circuitous route but I actually married somebody in in Europe. Who was American and we came back to the US to live. And I was studying for the brokerage. I was going to be a stop focus. There's something very comical about that. Well it's even stupid because I've always loved math and I thought I wanted to be a mathematician but I also wanted to travel a lot in my youth and so I thought well what's numbers or I ta become a stockbroker so I was busy doing that when somebody moved away next door to me and left all these kittens behind. I don't know two dozen or something and I thought Oh moved out and I thought oh I need to take them to somewhere. That looks off to them. Looked up in the phone book. We didn't have Google then found the nearest animal shelter. Put them in my. Vw Bus drove them to the shelter and it was just astounded. This was the United States of America. It was filthy. It was harsh They put the kittens down immediately when they took them into the back room. I was stunned. Went into the Kennel and they were yelling. The dogs who are confused and all those childhood feelings of caring about animals came rushing back to me and I thought I'm not a stockbroker I I. I need care about animals. I applied for a job in the Kennel. It was worth. It was really that crystal clear that moment was I hate injustice and there's nothing that gets me more upset than people bullying and they will bullying those animals in that place and I thought I have to work here. And how long did you work there? Well I worked there and I blew the whistle on them so I was chucked out. I went out on my ear. I went to the council and I worked hard and got the people in charge of that shelter. Thrown out is that you got into law enforcement than it is. I then became a cruelty investigations officer and started. I then went to sheriff's Rookie School for the Police Department. To learn how to prosecute cases. They didn't what was the state of Dot Department at the time of the cruelty investigation. I mean what was just? I'm trying to get a sense of what the perspective was in terms of enforcing anything you know against this kind of behavior. It was pretty pathetic. It's still lives in some jurisdictions and we still have to fight hard peter to get prosecutors to take some cases seriously but back then it was almost nonexistent. I read the law in the state of Maryland. All these laws are written for lay people to understand. They're not complicated. And you have to divide them by the elements and I thought we need to use this. So I went and met with the state's attorney and I made my case. I got deputized. I had law enforcement background then because I decided I needed to be trained and began to bring prosecutions and the judges I found. In most cases were completely sympathetic. Many of them had a dog or horse or something and they didn't like what they were hearing and so they cracked down on the people who are starving or beating or whatever they were doing to animals right. Wow so when does when how is Peter born out of this well from there? I was asked to go and clean up what was then. The DC DOGPOUND The Washington. Dc dogpound. And I had some friends who were in government who advocated for me and I became the first lay pound master which I thought was a really butch title. I liked very much and I went and took over the DC. What is now animal shelter and put in place the first span new to clinic that The was and made sure that no longer. Could universities come waltzing into our place and picks take their pick of the animals and use them in experiments which is what was going on and no longer could dog fighters people who wanted to guard dog? Just come in plunk five dollars on the table and take out some big aggressive dog so I tried to change all that and pretty much did made it into a fine place. Had wonderful help and bequeathed it to the Washington humane society to run and then while I was doing that formed people for the ethical treatment of animals. Because I read Peter Singer's book animal liberation and Thought. Oh good grief. You shouldn't just be being kind to animals. Within the context of using them there are other nations that just like us. We are animals. We need to stop seeing them as hamburgers and handbags and tools for research. We need to see them as other individuals and treat them with respect. Leave them in. Peace sort changed my whole perspective. Yeah that book has had such a profound impact on so many people and and culture at large. It's still relevant today as it as it ever was. Oh it's a terrific book because he takes you back to the Anti Slavery Movement for example and so you know some people said well. We'll always have slaves because their STOIC. They don't cry out in pain. You can do all these things to them. They're not as intelligent and as Congressman Dellums said once on Capitol Hill when they were hearing a bill about animals. He said if you took the words slave out of an old Congressional appeal hearing and putting the word animal. Or You did the same here put in slaven. You would have the same arguments being made by those who wished to continue to exploit whomever they wished to exploit. So you can. I mean I didn't grow up with the same kind of prejudice. I grew up with the Raj with British people thinking that they were so superior to Indians. My father would clap his hands and somebody would come running to see what he wanted. In a week people look down on on Indian Indian immigrants to the United Kingdom. Were treated very very badly. I grew up with that. I formed the First Beatles Fan Club in school in India and it was a convent. A mother superior came into our hall. Were all gathered and said stand in Grid Ward. That was my name that she said. I understand that you have started a fan club for the Beatles. Do you know that they come from a Salaam? And that was it and wash thing you could say working class. People would denigrated as if they were stupid. No nothing's and so I- translate this to animal rights and think you know not of what you speak and hence animal kind. This is who they are. You are not a god as a human being and they are not trash no they are feeling emotional complex intelligences and yet you have them in chains in cages. You're hitting them with a bull hooker whip. You're throwing things down their throats to test your medicines and cosmetics hands-off just the same way we now understand with certain other human beings at this time other than Peter Singer's book I mean there was no animal rights movement so to speak was nothing I think even the word Vegan Vegan was a person from Las Vegas or from the planet. Some Vegas or something No animal rights wasn't even a concept until pita singer put it into the vernacular and not even accurate and it was just floating about and we had the first animal rights conference because before that they used to be health vegetarian conferences. That was it. It was all about laxatives and living longer so we had the first animal rights conference and we talks then about. Can we show you what you're not being shown by advertises? It's not a happy little pig in an Apron. Dancing his way to your sandwich your barbecue and this is what they're doing then notching their ears. They're cutting off their tails. They're castrating them. No Painkiller and people were stunned. We said look. We've been inside a laboratory. We went inside that silver spring. Right right I want to talk about that. And this is what we found. It's not a few animals being treated well because they may hold the cure to saving a baby in a it's just one abuse neglect disregard for them and nobody is looking at better ways if you just want to be a more efficient forget the animals from it. People aren't putting the money into where we could be more efficient for our own selfish sakes so we changed the conversation and we uttered the word Vegan and we added the whereas animal rights in that first conference. People must have thought you were bananas back then. Though many people did and we were mocked we had a demonstration in Washington against a chicken slaughterhouse and it made because it was so weird that anyone would care about a chicken in nineteen eighty. It made the front page of The Washington Post. It was on every radio station. I worked for the government at the time and I remember being listening to the radio and no matter what station you tuned in. It was thorough people protesting chicken slaughter. Like what the Hell these evil doing? Is that when you realized the power of the media? I mean you're no stranger to knowing how to grab headlines and you're a master provocateur. Well we have to pay. I mean you know it's just you want to reach the most people that you can't and obviously leafleting on the street one pamphlet at a time. We still do. And it's watching back then. It was what you could do. There was no internet. You know but we did learn and back then as you mentioned earlier people were more willing to discuss things in depth so we could make the case of who animals are and why we need to look for other ways instead of just abusing them making himself. You think that it's harder to do that now. Oh it's much harder today it's sex it's conflict it's politics. Of course I mean who can avoid that right now. Yeah well you're the crazy chicken lady in one thousand nine hundred eighty but Peter really got on the map by virtue of this Silver Spring Monkey case right so walk us through that because that was really that really set in motion a lot of change it did and that again made the front page of The Washington Post. It also made sixty minutes in Australia. It made the whole run of press that there was to be hat. I think why it struck a nerve. Is that most people had been sold. A bill of goods and they did believe that. Oh it's not so many animals and they must be treated okay that researchers had perpetuated made sure that they said we're scientists don't question us and in fact they would say that quite openly. Who are you to question us? We're scientists they were above the law and we were able to show by going into this one lab archery and showing videos actually it was filmed at that point and photographs mostly photographs and getting expert opinions of the hideous condition that these seventeen monkeys were kept in tiny cages. Rusted wires breaking their fingers off because their backs had been operated on and they didn't have that much nerve sensation in their arms being just left in these tiny boxes in a room. Being given electric shocks in a converted refrigerator having their testicles squeezed with pliers to see if they felt all these things we were able to bring it into the light of public opinion. Put It on the news go in with search warrant bring the animals out and for the first time people thought could guard. I've been able to see inside. It's not like we've been told a tool and we got bags of mail sacks of mail from all over the country saying how can I help which are truly the most magic words the words I love to hear today? Was that the first time that anybody had sorta covertly photographed. What goes on behind closed doors with animal no before that had been to other situations in. New York where somebody had leaked films leaked photographs of monkeys. Being used in space exploration test pre space exploration tests and the other at the New York Museum of Natural History. And they were both very awful but they hadn't circulated because nobody had really been able to do anything that had been a protest outside the history museum but with this we had primatology is answer apologised veterinarians from all over who we took into the lab at night and show them. The conditions showed them the monkeys with festering wounds. Show them everything and they filled out. Experts statements and with those experts statements photographic photographic evidence. We were able to get a search warrant. That was the first time. And that made it all break open So images ended up on the front page of The Washington. Post several Chinese. Yeah yeah and it becomes like a huge deal right. Supreme Court case and ultimately culminates in the passing of the Animal Welfare. Act In one thousand nine hundred five right. The amendments to it The was already thanks to the Animal Welfare Institute they had been nine thousand nine hundred ninety six one thousand nine hundred seventy six. I can't remember there was the animal. Must be seventy nine hundred seventy six? The wasn't Animal Welfare Act. Nobody was enforcing it which the silver spring monkeys case made crystal clear and there was no relationship between the people who gave the money say the National Institutes of Health. The biggest funder of animal experiments in the world and the so called inspecting body the United States Department of Agriculture. With the inspector came maybe once every year two years sat in the Front Office. Had A cup of Coffee. Asked the experiment if everything is okay and left without even looking at the animals so these things really were made possible to understand through the silver spring monkeys case. What was the specific issue? That was before the High Court. Well what happened? Was the lower court had found the experimental guilty. A jury trial on several counts. He then appealed and we went to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court sent it back custody of the animals was actually the issue. Sent it back to the lower court to rule so this thrust into the limelight and a pretty big way it did. We were amateurs. We didn't know what we were doing. Really accepting how many people were working at the time for the five of us is the core and the might have been a few dozen who had come out. I remember Reagan was elected and there was a big parade in Washington and we went out with a banner was all very patriotic looking stars and stripes and red white and blue and it was that all Frank Sinatra's song take back your take back your pulse and we had changed the lyrics and people had seen that on national television because the parade was being televised and one of the people of Maine announces head. Actually son it thinking. It was just a patriotic song realizing it was the first ever animal rights song and all these people started to get in touch with us to say. I don't wear for. I don't want to wear an yes. I don't want to exploit animals. How can I help so altogether? Yes and we're at? What point do you do? You make this conscious decision about the strategy that you're going to deploy like you're nothing. If not controversial for a lot of these kind of you know. Various Forms of protests over the years that grabbed headlines but also really raw feathers to make people angry. We always say you're not here necessarily to make friends we'd like to that. We're still talking about these things. Yeah and that's in no small part due to the you know the edgy nature of how you staged these events. We like to make sure it's conversational so people might put us down and in the old days. Suddenly that was part of the course is people to have you seen what those people are doing. But they'd say it at a dinner conversation and then everyone would talk about it and I think people would say well Ya. I mean they're crazy but and then they talk about the issue now. I don't like what's happening to animals for for for example so we try to be provocative because I mean what's the point someone on our staff said it's like a car crash of pizzas is doing it. You have to look if you don't want to all the way up through every it seems like every year. I don't know if you did it this year. But you'll you'll tape some some public service announcement type television commercial with the intention of saying this is our super bowl commercial and then creating additional press out of the fact that it gets rejected because no networks ever gonNA air be delighted if they ever did and one of our commercials on the Super Bowl and we do have a couple of donors who said if they ever do we will. We'll we'll give you the money but no they don't air it and we go in knowing they probably aren't going to this year. We did a fabulous one. It's still Myers. It's don't know if I can convey this. You have to look at it. It's own Peter Dot Org. It's a B who is humming the national anthem and floating all animated floating around and visits or flies over all these other animals. There's a bear deer Fox a fish who take a knee or I did see. This makes me cry every time I see it I have to tell you sentimentalist but I think it's just beautiful and at the end. It says you know every living being deserves respect and of course Lisa Lange. Who is office is the creative person behind their former podcast. Too I Lisa. She went to an agency. They crafted it so beautifully. It's perfect and we. Then Lisa went to Colin Kaepernick. And said is this all right with you the concept and he said yes and so. We didn't wish to be disrespectful in any way we wished to show. He's a Vegan that we're all in this together. Respect should be for. Everyone doesn't really matter who you identify with like. It's not just for me as a woman women's Rights. There's a principle. It's not just you because sure whatever you all race religion age it's because as a principal discrimination is wrong. Bullying is wrong respects. Is Everything looking out for the other guy and he said great so we we put it up. Nfl stepped in. Apparently they went to Fox. I mean you know. They don't like anything to do with it. And taking a knee known as a sad thing in so many ways but over four million people have watched it right away and it's still going strong on the Internet. Yeah and as provocative as anything you've ever done I would think you know it in a different way in a in a more kind of like subtle way I suppose and my sense is that like looking at the movement and the evolution of the movement from ten thousand feet. There was a moment in time where in order to get people's attention. You would have to do these crazy things just to get people to even consider the issue. That's beneath that. But the movement has matured to such a point where there is adequate mainstream awareness about what's going on at least on some level and as such the tactics after evolve as well like it's not necessary to kind of do some of those things you were doing in the eighties and nineties anymore. In fact it might be counterproductive. There's more kind of a different tactic that you can take now. In order to provoke the discussion. I think what people don't know about. Peter is that we have an enormous corporate negotiations arm. We're behind the scenes and we always have been but just gets bigger behind the scenes talking to retailers and others who use animals and exploitive ways. 'cause some a lot of pain and suffering but actually while we no longer have to crawl with our hands and legs and steel traps for example outside stores. Although Canada goose is certainly still catching coyotes in steel traps and stuffing geese and to slaughter creates I dead it really is. That was our slogan. It's happened none of the BIG HOUSES GUCCI. Galliano's Donna Virgin. None of them have thirty more however that said and we are not mainstream in other ways because we have become mainstream which we have to be careful about with With eating animals but we still have things to do. Because we've been in every sheep sharing. Shed tried to say that quickly in on every continent except Antarctica and in every single shed. We have found things that would turn people stomachs about the way. Wool is taken from the sheep. I mean sheep. Being bashed in the face being seen videos horrible. More people should leather. I've been back to. India followed the cattle trail. People are amazed that India exports so much leather their major leather exporter. Leather isn't environmentally friendly full of decomposition. Toxins and what have you but the cruelty of the cows extreme so we still rauner beyond Iran. Well you look at also. The COW IS SACRED MOTHER COW Nandi. The Bull is sacred. His pulling these overloaded sugarcane carts a you have a Nash. The elephants who is sacred. Who is in for life in a temple going blind in with trumpets and his ears and wedding. Parades it's like anything you know. Christians say don't cheat on your wife they say don't steal but yes that's fine people do but no. We now have demonstrations outside fashion shows where are people are taking this odd mixture. It's chocolate syrup. I think it makes some grungy mass pouring it black mark pouring it on their heads and faces and appearing in photographs around the world to say please. Leather is cruel. It's environmentally unsound. Get away from that too it's just caucus it's the biggest profit part of slaughtering a cow. Vegetarian you're supporting the meat industry by buying it and there is so much innovation happening right now in terms of new textiles. You know it's interesting to kind of watch that evolve feel like the food. Space is a little bit further down the line in comparison to what's going on in apparel and garments but it's changing quickly. It's phenomenal in animal. Kind I talk about. That is one of the things that you can do is you. Just sometimes don't realize it but if you look we now have you want to look chic or trendier my God or if you want to be warmer than if you were wearing polo real fleece or for. We have apple leather grapefruit leather pineapple leather. You name it. I just saw out of Mexico's coming. Cactus leather every phenomenal things. Nike has a range of shoes now made of Ash. I think Nike or Reebok has a range of sports shoes made of trash. I just saw that Dyke's releasing this new shoe. That's completely made out of completely recycled garbage and recycled fishing net. So back to if you want to save the oceans you can save the ocean saved the cows. Save THE PLANET. All in one one. Go with fashion. How does it go like if you'RE GONNA approach? Michael Kors Ralph Lauren. Or any of these big houses. And you're having this back door kind of negotiation with them. What does that look like? It's actually pretty simple. Is that we ask for a meeting. And we start at the top and we see who we get and often we will get the buyers and we will get the decision makers and we will show them. We will go to Milan or wherever it is and some of them like Zara for example has flown as over to their neck of the woods and we will show them the videos. We'll say this is exactly what this material comes from. It's not a materials not a natural fibre. It's it's from the animal stolen from them. They're killed for it they're abused. The suffering is atrocious. It's not sustainable. That's one of the buzzwords now the humane washing words or the environmental washing words It's not sustainable. Cruelty shouldn't be sustainable. It's it's cruel it's not. We've got Patagonia regard all these areas in Argentina where the sheep are decimating. The land and the people's income should not be dependent on that. You can have other things you know. We didn't have to continue to grow tobacco to sustain people's livelihoods. So we go and we sit down and we show them and then we show them the alternatives and we show them. Here's a faux whatever. Ages fleas will lever his a range of them and these are the actually bring in the samples. We do like carpet salesman. We have a portfolio. And it's got all these samples and we hear the contact names and addresses and for these companies. Please get in touch with them. And they're actually is a new Company now that is just started up that is trying to and I forget the name But it's it's on the website but it started up trying to get investor money to help these companies just the way impossible and Burgh beyond and all these other countries food institute. What Bruce Friedrich snowing? It's a Good Food Institute folks. That's a a great idea. Yeah and we're helping funded at the moment that it needs to have investor capital and what is the general level of receptivity? I would imagine it does vary. I mean there are some old holdouts. But they've seen now what's happened with four. You know there are people that we will always use. And don't anymore. They had to go with the Times. You look at Anna wintour vogue who is never seen on the hottest summer day without colon. Ma We actually complained to the IRS. That she needed to declare all his free I. She was getting but just last week week before she was in a Stella McCartney FO- for it's just phenomenal they know now that times of changing consumer interest are changing the next generations up. Don't like cruelty to animals. They don't like the fact that if you throw a fur coat out the window or even a pair of leather shoes out the window you can come back in a decade. They're still there because they have been treated with Morton's anti decomposition chemicals so still I'm still stuck on Anna winter imagining her in her office in nineteen ninety four like swearing about the thorn in her side. That is Ingrid newkirk. She was clear because you know we invaded her off. We went up. The elevator took over her office. She locked herself in her office. We had begged her. We had written her. We'd shown everything heart of of absolute ice and I sat at the reception in Vogue and answered the phone and every single call that came in. They would ask for something. I'd say I'm awfully sorry. Vogue is closed today due to cruelty to animals and hand. Where was the receptionist at the table? Everybody fled what happened. She had to eventually come out of her office eventually. The police came and took us out of the office and It got great news and people heard all story about what happens to animals in traps and I had interactions with her since Yes but they haven't exactly been a pleasant one of them members some years back through a dead raccoon into her soup plate when she was dining at the four seasons hotel and that was in the news off to that. I am not the best way win her heart and mind that you know we had tried everything on it wasn't does. It was a member but people were angry with her because she had seen all the footage she she couldn't miss it and French. Vogue could decided they never French. Vogue of all places had decided it would never chauffeur and yet Anna. Wintour VO- carried on just really pimping for in almost every page. So then she had a birthday. I think and I actually suggested because the had been new research that showed if you are oblivious to suffering that perhaps it's not your fault that mirror neurons might not be well. Developed that your seat of empathy might. I offered to give her three brain scan so he could start sending your lettuce begging to where she did not reply. My God Well you said we provocative narrow listen one hundred percent one hundred ten percent. I it seems to me that like when you look at the food. Space THE WAY TO WIN. The war is to create Plant based analogs to people's favorite meat and dairy products make them cost effective and tastes just as good if not better and I think that applies as well in the fashion context like you need the Stella McCartney who can create something. Beautiful and magical. That isn't using these materials to kind of lead the way and once you do that if you can meet. Anna wintour standards like than than all the rest of the chips fall in line. I agree with meat and dairy week. We call them taste alikes. Because you don't really have to make an ethical decision you can just have watched the taste that you've grown up with or your tongue has been become accustomed to without any effort. It's all there. It's in the store. It doesn't cost more to to switch over to it. The same is true with clothing. And what we're finding of course is big companies now know that they've got better sports gear if they go away from the old animal I mean. Can you imagine someone climbing Everest now in a big coat so we those things poly fil and all these things are available to an edge changing the market but yes always have to be? Pyan is Joaquin Phoenix standing up at the Oscars and saying I mean that was a watershed moment. Absolutely he'd already Vegan is what the Golden Globes and the other award ceremonies up until that point and then he stood there and he decided to talk about mother love. He decided to talk about the love of mother. Cow Has for her child. And how thoughtless it is to just want to real cheese pizza topping and I just thought I love you all my heart. Wonderful man was a very courageous bold and beautifully honest and heartfelt speech that I it was on his and we are grownups aren't we. I mean that's what I say in the book is it's time to come to grips with. Who we are. We tell our children that we're kind with decent that you know. We live by principles. We don't like oppression domination. Bullying injustice will do we. Because you can't pretend that animals are tables and chairs. They're not they're animate you know anima from life is that they feel. And how awful if we don't behave like adults and take personal responsibility? I was really moved that Joaquin after the saga wards left the ceremony and in his Tuxedo went straight to the pig visual. Does it all the time? He was there last night as well. He's a true activist. And I mean you can be an activist as talk about animal come. You can be an activist. Just by deciding will eat three times a day at least and I'll make sure that that doesn't contribute or what I wear. I shampoo my hair. Whatever you do in the normal course of your day but Joaquin is an activist activists. He's like James Cromwell like a bunch of people. Pamela Anderson wherever she goes in the world she calls us and she says what's happening in Lithuania or wherever she is for animals and we tell her and she makes sure to do an action for animals in addition to whatever else she's doing thorough only so many people and they have such a command of people's attention that each one is gold dust. Each one is precious. He his heart breaks for animals. Yeah it's it's it's for real with him totally through when you look at the current state of affairs. I'm interested in how you choose your battles right like if you. If we want to identify like the biggest culprits. The biggest problems I mean factory farming to be number one to me. And it's also you're shaking your head. Maybe you disagree but let me just finish this thought in that. Also it's it's it's a situation in which there's massive popular support like. Nobody's sitting around going gay for factory farming even ardent meat eaters. Don't like that idea. And it just seems right to be reformed if not completely overturned and innovation is working towards that. But I'm interested in where you kind of come down with the work. Pitas doing to combat the you know the tragic ills and suffering that that system creates there's no question animal-based agriculture has had. Its Day at needs to go. Only people defending it really a two camps the people who do it for a living the farmers the factory farmers themselves and their trade groups who will defend it in fact a farmer was addressing a conference a few years ago and said if Ingrid newkirk where a coward have her on the truck right now which I thought. That's so nice. I hope you're single. Anyway yes don't want so. Yeah there's that but there's also I was just at the Jimmy Carter Library in Atlanta and one of the filmmakers for C. Span said to me. I really like cruelty to animals but you know I'm never going to give up eating meat and so I said to him. You can't eat anything from a supermarket now. You can't eat anything whereas somebody who didn't walk up to the cow or pig chicken shoot them in the head when they weren't looking and none of the other animals were either. You cannot do it. And he was so desperate to cling to this old habit that that's another group that we have to deal with but the way we figure out what to do. I think as we'RE OPPORTUNISTS. Because we have to see which way the wind is blowing and then helped push it in the right direction so we give away food. We were down when KFC did they think licken Vegan chicken giveaway in Atlanta. And we've been working behind the scenes with them and that will be coming. We give out food especially soy milk. Almond milk concerned kids. Who are lactose intolerant? Show them you know the something else you can eat. But we look at where the largest animals suffer the most and definitely that's in food production. Don't have to eat animals please. But the second I think is experimentation because there may be fewer animals and that's not saying few it's fewer but they suffer sometimes for forty years in a cage in a room staring at the wall with no life whatsoever. Someone taking biopsies sticking things in their heads taking their kids away all that that the length of time. It's huge and clothing because as I say. Every animal used for clothing his eaten. I can't think of an exception. Even ostriches used for feathers. They go into ostrich medallions at the specialty exotic restaurant. Crocodiles are eaten. You know all these animals are eaten. So it's part and parcel. It's One prophet base but we also do look at exotic cruelties like forego where you can say to people it's like for you don't need it. Why on earth of all the things you cling to would you decide I've got to have a stuffed goose's liver for Christmas you know that's GonNa be going the way of further except in France Australia and a couple of other places but with Brexit. You might be able to stop it from being imported into the UK for example. And that's another nail in the coffin that I feel pretty much briefed on everything. It's kind of going on with factory farming but the animal testing world is something I know very little about. So maybe illuminate the realities that are going on here. It's the same thing with taste. Alikes really is that you've got to move people away from what they're used to and as with factory famous that's what they're doing and they don't want to change you have animal experiments who have gone into the business early. They've been doing the same thing for donkey's years. No one has ever tapped him on the shoulder and said excuse me you're not finding out anything but these animals are suffering and you're killing them and so they carry on doing it. We have a system with almost no enforcement in it at all. And I'll give you one example. We have a thing called the forced swim test. This is so absurd and so cruel. They take small animals. Drop them into a beaker of water with solid sides and the animals of course panicked. They are going to drown. They dive to the bottom looking for a way out. They tries to scramble up the sides and they can't get out and the whole purpose. This is used by universities. Show and tell it's used by pharmaceutical. Companies IS JUST DOCUMENT. How many minutes it takes them to give up to stop swimming. And then you just record this. This is typical and we are knocking that test purpose. What is the purpose of that? Originally it was some cockamamie crude way to decide when an animal gets depressed too depressed to carry on the development of DEPR- anti-depression antidepressants. It still goes on and what we find is. The electric shock played test in universities with hanging animals by their tails just to see how long they stop struggling. We have maternal deprivation. Experiments psychologists millions upon millions of dollars being spent all over the country with people in Basement. Labs who are taking monkeys babies away and then frightening them with plastic snakes with plastic spiders with men and mosques and just recording their reaction. This goes on. One experiment will go on for forty years and nobody says. Maybe you shouldn't be doing this anymore. We have organs on a chip human lungs heart on a trip. We have whole slivers of human brain. You can grow in a petri dish. We have human DNA on the Internet. We have high speed computers. You can program now with human data in a what are we doing. Still taking these animals away from each other keeping them unnaturally in total misery and visiting all these horrors on them. What is the state of the law? Like what does the law say hasn't been changed for most animal? Experiments are exempt from state law. That happened a long time ago and nobody really wants to change it. They're a big trade groups that fight they won't even expand the size of a cage. We've been up on Capitol Hill Year after year. I give up on legislation. I think it's as with most things it's education and the new generations coming up. We have a film out now called research subjects. It's three women happen to be women who were bullied into using hundreds of animals in order to get their PhD and each one of them at the time. Thought wait a minute. This isn't helping anyone. This isn't advancing my medical knowledge. This is just the way it's being and the each one of them not knowing the others try to argue with their processes and their professors said. No no no you can't have your PhD. Unless you do this you have to do it. They now all regret it and other. Phd Candidates are coming forward to say. That's what we've been told to. It's the way it is and research labs but times of moved on and we are getting a force to be reckoned with of a new generation of scientists saying. I don't want to be you know keeping the chimpanzee or amongst your rat and small cage. I want to be doing something cutting edge with science. Yeah well it's not difficult for me to wrap my head around. How horrible it is that an animal would be used to test cosmetics or or or antidepressants and things like that is there. I'm sure you get crazy. Pushback year like is there. Is there any argument? Where cutting edge science and research. Concerning life-threatening diseases requires some level of animal testing in order to identify. And kind of find these cures. I think I'll give you a two part answer to that which may or may not be satisfactory but the first part is it's just as people cling to wanting to continue to eat meat and dairy people somehow have this uncomfortable feeling that they don't like change and they really cling to the idea that surely somewhere. There is some experiment or a little raft of experiments. Where you really do need to eat. Animals use animals in experiments. The same way people might say. But you know if you if you really worry about Tra protein you might need. I think there's dot this clinging to the which doesn't really hold up and the other part we have places we can go now. We have things we can do. We need to push to take money. For example for years animals have been used in Bern experiments. We have footage where they actually blow torch pigs and the I mean. It's not nice to look at today because somebody back then decided. Let's put some money into saying there's another way to do that. We have cloned human skin. We can ship it. We Can Federal Express it. We can put it on a plane. Eighty percent of your body can be burned. They can put cloned human skin on it. We didn't learn from those animal experiments. So the sooner we say I demand that the government stop wasting in one case alone. Thirty six million dollars frightening monkeys one single experiment thirty six million dollars and put that thirty six million dollars and just something innovative technology innovative methodologies and we might get something sooner that will help human beings. I think those are the two things that we have to work on. Who is working on that right now is there? Is there activity around that and also are there any bills that are being sponsored right now to better regulate what's happening we're working on it? We have nineteen scientists and ARPITA science consortium and they're in all kinds of disciplines and they actually are working with governments both here and in Holland in the UK and Germany and in Japan China. Even to say look times have changed his. Something you can do. It's quicker it's cheaper. It's more expedient. It doesn't cause animal suffering. We just lost twelve months. Got The environmental protection agency. To call is into a news conference after years of working with them going to their symposia holding symposia ourselves. Doing podcast with them on alternatives. To say okay we now have a roadmap. We are going to step away. We're going to stop using animals. In toxicology tests the Environmental Protection Agency. So it is happening but it requires constant vigilance and a constant push and really it requires people to talk to them. Members of Congress and say it's time for a new research modernization. Act which we have actually crafted and we'll soon be having a news conference on Capitol Hill about That's great hopefully us. Everything has to change as you're telling these stories on thinking that you're a very interesting Combination of passion. You know that that meets this kind of abolitionist. Perspective that also requires a tremendous amount of patience and diplomacy right. How do you reconcile those two things because in order for you to do you do and to make incremental progress? You have to do this dance right. Where I don't know of compromise is the right word. But you've got to work with people right and you're gonNA fan the flames of positive change while also remaining true to your your values that originated this whole thing to begin with. Sometimes I'm not a very patient person often and As some members of our staff will tell you I have lost my temper And actually in the case of the Bobby Parrish Senior Rangan act where he used to beat them with a rebah behind the scenes every night when attorneys came to see us and said well we're thinking of putting him back on the stage. I argued with them for a long time. Tried to reason with them. They weren't buying it. It was a money deal and I saw the rebar across the table and they decided okay. Then we won't be doing that but no luckily on staff we have wonderful patient negotiators strategists. And we brainstorm a lot but yes you do have to have patience. I definitely take comfort in looking back. Otherwise I just couldn't carry on to see how far we've come and to see other. Take a leaf out of other movements where they had to make hard decisions every day. Should we attack on this or should we compromise on this and we like to say we've got our heads and heads in the clouds that our feet on the ground? So we want total abolition. We don't want any discrimination or disrespect for any living being but we also if you can do it a to B to c to the we'll work with you because we want to get to see you have to. Yeah absolutely leap in most cases. Sometimes yes but you can't usually leap for maters E. Some of the biggest wins have to be what's happened with marine life parks. And with the circuses. And even the zoos I guess to some extent yes Roadside Zoos were busy closing. And I think we've got. I'll tell you the wrong figure. Probably but I believe it's eighty four individual isolated bears out of those places. We've closed a lot down. We've taken out dozens of tigers and rehome them and wildlife parks at a wonderful. I think the end of the roadsides zoo is nigh Sousa changing. You've got the Detroit Zoo for example where The director has said once these elephants pass on. We know we cannot deal with the needs of elephants. It's zoos cannot so we're not going to do that anymore. We're closing elephant exhibit so we do see change there and we do see some cooperation between the better zoos which are not acquiring any more not doing research anymore on animals in the basement helping us closed down the roadside zoos. We did just as you know. Get see well to stop writing. Having their trainers right on dolphins nostrums still in business. They're changing and they need to change faster because those orcas and dolphins need to go back where they belong in the oceans that they there more rides. They're they're doing concerts. They are diversifying. Now they just need to get rid of that wretched named seaworld or make it animatronic make it three D holograms of orcas. Not Real ORCAS. Who are losing their teeth trying to chew on the underground underwater because one of the arguments. Zoos is that they do do all of this kind of work. In terms of studying to better understand these animals like we walk me through like the validity of any of the arguments that kind of prop up and support the zoo infrastructure as we know it. Yeah well some of the world series of course engage in animal experiments which not good fertility experiments in all sorts of things. And that's not something they make public so we do They also some. Zoos have been caught. Getting animals off the black market endangered species and so on. We expose up to other zoos as they say are changing. And they're actually helping. Get rid of the worst sues but I think they all see the writing is on the wall and they see that today. Kids don't really want to go to the zoo. They've got everything they could possibly wish to have. On the Internet they can interact with animals. They can go under see and interact with animals with virtual reality without harming a hair on animals head or a fan or anything else. So yet sue started off and talk about this animal kind. They started off as Menagerie. Where one of the saddest things I've ever read out of Africa the author describes going down to the docks I think it was Nairobi. Somewhere and seeing giraffes years ago who had been able to stride across the Great Plains and these massive hearts and there are two of them on a boat in a wooden crate and saying their world has shrunk to nothing now and they're going to be taken across an ocean if never seen an ocean. How frightening and they're going to end up. I think it was Hamburg end up in Germany in a zoo in a small pan. We still have zoos who cannot in any way provide for one juror off. You know they and they swap animals around as if they're commodities that whole system of seeing animals has to change. We did just have two judges one in Brazil one in India who actually ruled that in both cases elephants were not commodities. They couldn't be taxed like property that they were refugees from views is the most wonderful thing. That's the way I think law is going will go. Takes a long time takes a lot of effort? I've noticed that young people find zoos. My daughter like she doesn't like I've taken her to zoo and she's like I don't ever want to go back there. And that's not an experience that I remember having a young person I think it speaks to a new generation of people who who are who are just more conscious of these things than we ever were and are younger and younger years. You see the circus. I mean when I was a kid and that's going back but even beyond them more recently than than the circus came to town. They would have the elephants go down from the circus wagons to the big top and actually help put the big top up. Courtesy of a bullhook that fireplace poker thing and the kids would go out. Line the streets so excited to see exotic animals. Come to town right there in front of them. Those are long gone. And of course we close down ringling brothers Barnum and Bailey what we would call the cruelest circus on earth for awful cruelties behind the scenes. I don't think people even know they burned a lion to death. Going through the Mojave Desert. They had three baby elephants in separate incidents killed during training. They should never have been away from their mothers. So people are learning about this stuff. They now notable hook is and they're saying no to circuses. I think the time of deciding that wild animals are props for us is not something young people think of they think. Oh they're wonderful. Look how they live. How intelligent they are look at their lives in the wild. They're incredible nece if you will. Yeah and how do you think about the pet trade badly I mean look? Our shelters are overflowing. We've got dogs. Cats even bunnies with nowhere to go. They're going to be put down because no matter how hard you try. There aren't enough good homes to go around and so how can we ever support somebody somewhere having a puppy mill farm and shipping in puppies to be sold in glass cages? And up a shop. Or you know going to a breeder we always say adopts don't sharp and even people who ordinarily wouldn't associate with understanding this concept seem to get it now but so many people are still buying a no pet shops are actually the reverse of what we should be doing. They're putting more animals on the market. We need to spay and neuter number one thing cut it off at the pass answer prevention and then secondly always adopt never shop. Don't go to a Brita. Don't go to a pet shop. Close them down. Yeah well I think I think education has gone a long way towards towards moving that needle. It has then again the such frustration. When you see how many people have French bulldogs pogs. There was just the Westminster dog show in a what is that but contrived breeds that humans have made with squashed faces with dysplasia helps with all these physical problems. That will cost you a lot of money if nothing else. And they're not. Into THE HOLIEST. Heartiest animals will not to mention the ENTIRE STRANGENESS OF THAT. Whole affair parading these dogs around. I prize very strange. Yeah one of the things that I see going on right now is there's a tremendous amount of energy that goes into greenwashing because people are more aware and they do want to feel like they're making the conscious ethical choice and yet there's so much energy and money behind marketing products in a way that's dishonest and disingenuous to make people feel like they're making that right choice when they actually aren't absolutely and now this humane washing ethically treated animals ethically all these sort of terms that phrase that get thrown around. That aren't they're not really regulated or legally defined terms loosely constructed marketing his best out rubbish. I would say it's so easy if you really care and so many people do care is just. Don't buy anything that comes from an animal. Because either the animal gave up their life for it or they're kept him confinement for years and years or it was stolen from them and they need it. I go up to people in the grocery store for example because I see them. If they've got a package of eggs Yoyo always always be people. You'll see this green grass on the eggs and it says free range organic and I say excuse me I noticed. You're buying those. I'm sure that means that you care about getting away from cruelty to animals and they'll say yes always and I say well let me just tell you if you go to the Peter Website you will see what a fraud says because places like Melis eggs. We've been inside their sheds and lilies eggs. We are suing them right now. There's a class action suit. How dare you tell consumers? They're humanely produced. These hands have less than the size of this book to stand in there crammed together. They have no pecking order and they say oh they can go outside. They can if they can fight their way to that little hole that you've cut at several spaces in this you know hugely crowded shad and chickens are afraid if they do go out because it's open and it's closed at night is closed in winter. It's closed if it's raining. They will find probably a space not that much bigger than this desk. That's just a bit of mud so no stop lying consumers. Just don't buy anything that it's not real insurance the reaction that you oh? I don't tell people all that. Just say go look at the base and people are usually grateful we actually have filmed consumers coming out of the grocery store and ask them. Hey you've got those organic sustainable. Free range eggs Let me show you video. We show them a little bit of video. And without exception everyone goes. Oh my God I had no idea on of a by those again. We'll really I thought yeah consumer fraud if you ask me yeah. I think that that there's a lot of opportunity also with respect to to to dairy and with With respectable because those are things that I think the average kind of less than informed consumers can feel like well. I'm not killing the animal like I'm using their product but they're they're treated fine and they're on a farm somewhere. Bless your heart saying that the two things are will. It's just a haircut. Isn't it for sheep and say if you saw the video footage you would know and I've been to Australia where most of the will in this country comes from. And I've seen them cut to shreds and they didn't think anything of it. I was there because they also take the lambs and cut the flesh off the backs of the lambs and things called. Mules ING THAT. They've been doing since nineteen twenty. I was there to argue them on that. They didn't think anything of the sharing shelves and so they just walked me through and the shirts. The sheep are just trembling from head to foot. They've been cut to pieces sometimes. They've lost a teat or part of the site of their ear or something because the mantle working so quickly. They're paid the most they can do. So nobody takes any care but the other thing is dairy is that people will say and I said it to is they? Don't kill the cow dairy but of course. Where is this retirement home for all these dairy cows? There isn't one yes they do. They kick her and shoved her down the same ramp that the so-called beef cow goes down but when she's in the worst possible shape she's dried up or she's got mastitis and along. The way is far crueler than beef. Because they've taken her beloved baby away every time for veal or whatever they've done so no where are the current biggest battle fields like what what is whereas pita investing? Its Energy at the moment. Unfortunately we don't have the luxury of homing in on one honing in one place. We have food clothing experimentation. Pest control is another one. Why do we use gut wrenching? Poisons sticky glue traps and so on. We WANT TO GET RID OF ANIMALS. Who are here first but we now find inconvenient. There is animals in entertainment. Which as you say is just going away. We just have to push it over the cliff But experimentation is a number one push because that really needs an awakening in the same way that we've woken up to the enormous waste and suffering. That goes into meat and dairy production. Yeah I think you know just from my own experience like that's the area I know the least amount of at least about and I feel like that's an area where you know. Some education could really be beneficial to people. We've mostly knocked out cosmetics testing on animals when Peter started. I think there was one company that she could import. Something from France is called nature to France. You could get a soap and so on. Then there were five companies was was in Berkeley. You had to take your own bottle. Get THINGS BUILD UP. And now we've got going back to that by the way. Now they're stories. They're like their whole marketing. Thing is that you bring your own bottle. The spur cook another good reason. But now you can just go in the store. We just got suave and herbal essences. Two of the last big holdouts. They no longer test on animals. And we've just got China to adopt. Its very first. Non Animal Tests. China was big holder so cosmetics. Now it's research for Research Sake. Basic just inquiries inquisitiveness curiosity driven research and his all fashioned show Intel research and it's medical so-called medical research a lot of psychology mental health issues. I mean people can't get into mental health clinics. They can't get into drug treatment programs and yet we are giving drugs to animals for decades all over the country. We are giving the mental illness. We accosting them enormous suffering and there is no applicability at all is there any country that has its ethical barometer perfectly calibrated to your worldview like is there any like is there a model out there where there's a nation that has a regulatory landscape and a legal system that that is protecting animals far better than we are? I'm not saying perfect but is there like is there a model that we can look to and at least work our way towards I think different countries Do much better than we do. In different areas for example Holland is definitely moving away from the use of animals in experimentation faster than we are You have countries like Switzerland. Where it's I don't believe it's Legal anymore to keep a goldfish bowl because they have to have so much surface area and they're not props. They're not decorations. You have countries in Europe. Where you can actually. You're required to walk your dog three times a day and not. Just pretend that you know you're just going out to do your business and come home. You have to take them for a proper walk. Because that's their they have a life to the law not correct number of times for set number of minutes We do have anti slaughter laws against some animals in India but that's mostly for religious reasons. It really depends where you are different countries different things and if somebody's listening to this. I mean if you go with respect to the food like you know I think people are kind of speed go to most markets now. They have options. Everything's labeled and it's it's easier than ever to kind of make those decisions but a little bit harder with cosmetics and consumer products. I mean leather. We can stay away from but now there's a lot of clues that are used in clothing and it's difficult even for a well-intentioned somewhat educated consumer to even know what they're buying right. Where are the resources where people can go to learn a little bit more about this? I'm not really worried. I mean this may sound but I'm not really worried about the pure ism if you will of looking at every single thing because we've got a long way to go and we need to move the market with the big things at the moment leather wool. Those kinds of things dairy. It's move them out. We do have huge resources. Animal kind of book. I've got resources. In Peter Dot Org resources we have lists of cruelty free companies and lists of companies that still test on animals. We have health charities. For example. You can give money because you care about certain. Let's take birth defects Easter Seals. They still using animals in experiments. Get away from it. You can give your money to another charity instead so you can. We have those health charity. Louis we have the cosmetics lists. We have the clothing lists food. Lists you name it there when you began this. The entry point like the on ramp was simply unethical argument about the treatment of animals but now we have people who are coming into this because of their current concerns about health. I mean that was my introduction to this whole thing and and now the environment I think has become a really huge Point of interest for people that's bringing more and more people into this so the spectrum of of you know everything you're doing has now broadened tremendously from from when you began. It's true we still have a long way to go. Of course and I am fond of telling people you can fly from Los Angeles to London and back to Los Angeles and you still haven't made the carbon footprint that you would've if you had two boxes of chicken nuggets and people are amazed they think. Oh it's flying so we still have a lot of education to do a lot of people say it's so expensive to be vegan actually isn't at all. I mean you look at cultures like Mexico and SOW BEANS RISE SALSA PASTA. Yeah Fabulous Food for you. Greens you know. Whatever so the still a lot of education but I think the generations growing up have their eyes open wider. I think they're more open to the compassion aspect of it and they're going to teach the adults they always do don't they do. It is interesting. What you said about purity. The purity argument There is A. There is a strain of puritanism that that kind of you know underscores a large cross section of the Vegan community And I think that's important. Somebody has to like hold that line and let us know where it is but it also works across purposes. I think with bringing people in and I remember like we sitting over here like I met Lisa years ago. She came here with a film crew to do an interview with me and this was pretty early on in my evolution as a Vegan plant based person at at the time. I think we have like a cowhide rug that we just had forever and maybe a leather couch and I was like we gotta get rid of this stuff before it comes over here. 'cause I don't WanNa get shamed and like how does this work and like I didn't know the landscape or the rule book about what's Okay and what's not and I had a fear of that strain of puritanism you know being directed in my direction even though like I kind of jumped the fence and was learning as I was going and I've certainly progressed and evolved since that moment but I think that's something that is common among people and I know a lot. There's listen there's a lot of Vegan people. Listen to this podcast. Because a lot of people that aren't and I think the just the sheer idea of Ingrid newkirk coming on the podcast and sharing their her message. It's like Oh man like I don't I don't WanNa be you know. I don't want to be judged for not being you know on this side of the fence or as far along in my evolution here so I was the ultimate slow learner. I had my first four. Cote at nineteen I fished and it's funny because back then I would go along the pier and say to people who have fishing you need to cut the spine. Because that'll stop them from feeling pain. You need to stop fishing. I don't believe that it's about personal purity. It's like some people will take yogurts just for health this spiritual aspect to it doesn't ethical aspect to why we don't hurt animals. Zamora L- aspect. There's a decency aspect so it's good to point out to people that actually That came from suffering or an alternative to that other thing. Or you can be compassionate. And you're being unwittingly cruel but to do it in a nice way. I'm always trying I to negotiate because I remember. I was defensive when someone says something to me even about spaying. My cat back then. I didn't know why you should spare your cat. I'm so glad someone told me about factory farms told me about for. I had experiences that. Open my eyes so I do think we have the obligation to educate but not be condemned at tree because all learning and then if people really don't budge than I think you should be shop with them and say come on. You can do that here. I'll feed you here. I'll show you this. Let me take you out and show you this. Especially if their family or friends all right. So wh- peed in the future and this movement like if it was up to you. What does this what does this? Utopian world his paint the picture. Land this plane I. I'm not very good at crystal balling things. I Live Day to day. Because we've got so much going on and so many things that we have journal retiring anytime soon. No touch would never have wanted me. I won't be run over by factory farmer but no I mean this is my life and this is what I want to do and I don't want to be on my deathbed thinking I should have said something or should have done something. I could do better. I wish I was smarter but I I want to do as much as I can and I think Peter has that mindset at all our founding members have it all our our people have. It is that we want to get the job done. We know it's going to be a long job so we'll never have world peace will never have the end of child abuse in about people work to get as much of it out of the way as possible. And that's that's us. Yeah we need everybody with us. It really is a very thin line between your life. And your vocation like these are. This is who you are ruined through absolutely can't separate what you do from who you are. Lucky. That is very lucky. Thing right to be able to ply your passion and to live this purposeful life that has meaning and and in so doing really change the world and you have. It's it's remarkable the legacy of your career and I commend you for that thank you. It's only because people have come on board. It's only because we've said your power of the purse counts your activism counts. I tried to do five things every day what I would call outside my job and that is putting vegan starter kits in the back of the airplane inside the magazines and all the seats before anybody comes in if I can secret agent talking to the people at the desk removing the sea world pamphlets from the hotel I'm staying because nobody needs to be enticed to go there until they change their stripes talking to people is just suggesting something speaking to the person at the checkout mentioning Vegan foods or clothing. Complementing something on something and saying. Oh that looks as if that's whatever it just working. Yeah well thank you for the service that you do. Thank you. The animals and for humanity. You are a gift and of your commitment to service. 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Will Ahmaud Arberys killing change Georgia law?

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Will Ahmaud Arberys killing change Georgia law?

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This pandemic won't spare us from another horrific recurrence in American life. An unarmed black man. A shooting a video Sean Collins has been covering the Ahmad rb story for Vox. Amount Ivory was a twenty five year old man who lived in Georgia near the small city of Brunswick in the southeast corner of the state. He was sort of known locally for his athletic prowess particularly in high school Where he was a football star and he was still a very athletic person who is very into fitness. Run all the time. His mother is described him as a very kind and caring person. She said in interviews that To Know Ahmad was to love a MoD and friends of the same talked about how supportive he was. one friend same as Kim Baker giving interviews the New York Times and just kind of really talked about how MoD was always there for him key part of his life. It was a bright light or in this world of darkness. He saw the best in every one to eight team across the tell me what happened to him. On February Twenty Third February twenty third is the day. That's Amman died or actually was killed. He went out for a jog and a place called Said Tila shores. It's a predominantly white area. Just a few miles away from his home and apparently was part of a route that he had run more than once and from what we can gather from nine one one calls and later police reports. He came across this House that was under construction and had a surveillance system Which he was caught on and he didn't take anything he didn't do anything. It was just kind of checking out And then He. He ran off but someone called the police about Ahmad being near this house. That was under construction right now. And he's running right left very good. Okay what is he doing then? Three of the callers identified. But you can you the run and then nine one one continue to get calls was address. You emergency here's the blackmail. Tell where where. Where do I don't know what the world as he's running? He catches the attention of a retired policeman and a retired district. Attorney investigator named Gregory McMichael. Who is standing on his lawn? Craig McMichael later tells police that he saw armory hauling ass down. His street turned to his son. And Said Travis two guys running down the street. Let's go what guy how these guys know. There's a guy what's the guy. So the guy is a Guy Gregory McMichael's believed may have been responsible for some burglaries that had been reported in last three months in the neighborhood. Okay so there have been reports of burglary in the neighborhood and Gregory and Travis Michael See Ahmad Harbury a random black man and make a correlation. What happens next so what they do? Is They go? And grab some guns the McMichael's and get into Travis. His truck at some points they. Let's a neighbor. No is named William Brian His name. Roddy and he kind of becomes important later on so they they take off in the truck and they're basically following him on as he runs they can't use a gain a great athlete so apparently can't really pin him down. He evades them at least once or twice and so they what they do is they. Try to like fend him in using the vehicle and then also apparently roddy is working to fence him. Amata and his vehicle as well. They finally cut him off. And this is when the video that's gone. Viral kind of begins pillow. Sir For that. Harvey is running up the street towards a white pick-up truck that's parked in the middle of the road. There's two white men there. One is in the better the pickup truck. He has a handgun. One is standing next to the truck. He has a bear gun. Looks like a shotgun you year shot and then Aubrey and the white man kind of reemerge on the other side of the truck struggling over this weapon and then there is another gunshot. We can't see what happens next to go out of frame but they come back in. There's a third gun shot and we see the black man shirt is completely red blood. The white man steps back and the black man armory false onto the pavement. They rolled over the body and Craig remained. Michael says to look for weapon and there was no weapon there. Some calls the police they arrive. Armory is dead. They take the statement from Greg McMichael. They take the video from William Ready. Brian and everybody goes except for amount. Harboring police show up and on our man Ahmad. Aubrey has has been killed. Shot to death. No arrests are made on their word. No arrests made at the time of killing Gregory McMichael told investigators. He thought was a burglary suspect and ordered him to stop McMichael then said Arboretum violently attacked his son and the two fought over the shotgun before Travis shot him twice. Police took the statement from Craig. Michael they've put that in there. Police report by police also got a chance to watch the video that most people have now seen it was taken by William. Bryant's who goes by Roddy. Roddy Bryant and that video was later submitted into evidence but no no arrests were made at the time of the shooting. So that's like two and a half months ago. What happens in the intervening weeks more? What happens but also not much happens. There is something of investigation. That's they get going but the first. Da who is kind of put on the case has to recuse herself because she was Gregory McMichael's former employer. Then there was another district attorney assigned to the case His name is George Barnhill. The thing of note that he did was writing a letter. The kind of laid out all the reasons why he felt coming. Michaels had done nothing wrong so he noted that George has an open carry law. You can carry weapons as long as you legally the weapon. You can carry the weapon around with you wherever you want that. There's a citizen Arrest Law in Georgia. That says if someone sees a crime being done and they can tried to arrest the person on behalf of law enforcement and Barnhill also said that they were that the McMichael's had done nothing wrong because Georgia has a stand your ground law. So if you're armed and you feel threatened you can shoot the person you're okay but does defense didn't get very far after this letter. Came out because Barnhill had to recuse himself as well because his son works in the same office. The Same District Attorney's office that George McMichael at worked in so he recused himself and then shortly before the video comes out a third district. Attorney is put on the case. And that's when things begin to escalate tonight. Video has surfaced of an African American man being chased down and killed. His family says he was just out jogging or his mother wanted to. Jones beach proves that my son was not committing a crime. He was out for his daily Jog and he was hunted down like animal. And she'll Ahmad Mother wanted Cooper Jones really played a crucial role in trying to amplify the story and getting justice for her son. She's a large part about why this isn't just a local story but a story that kind of speaks to what it's like to live in America. Especially if you're a black person what happens when people to see this video along with me so there is national outrage from people online marching the video to people in Georgia. This week I watched the video depicting Mr Aubrey's last moments alive. I can tell you it's absolutely horrific in Georgians deserve answers. It looks like murder. It looks like vigilante behavior that should be charged and criminalized to president trump. I think it's horrible and certainly being looked at by many people I'm speaking to many people about it and that's kind of leads the wheels of justice to turn a little bit faster. The Georgia Bureau investigation gets involved and very quickly in fact two days after they get involved. Both Gregory and Travis. Michael are arrested. Handcuffed and appearing on video from Jail Gregory and Travis McMichael were denied bail in their first court appearance today. Both father and son charged with felony murder. The McNair a few things have happened this week. Sense then the case is now on its fourth prosecutor. Joy homes a district attorney in Metro Atlanta appointed today by Georgia attorney. General Chris Carr who? Who's the first black district attorney to be put on the case? The Department of Justice is also apparently weighing hate crime charges in the case and has been aspe- Georgia's attorney general to look into how the investigation into our Bruce killing was conducted. I WanNa know what took so long and why local authorities were able to make this case when state authorities seem to be able to make it just thirty six hours after the break. 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Available anywhere get a shipping consultation and SHIPU program six month trial for free and go ship dot com slash explained Chippewa More Time S. H. IPO. Go SHIPU DOT com slash explained. No I'm Jasmine Clark. Represent Georgia's hundred and eighth district in the state assembly. This video is shocking. And even more shocking to a lot of people was this idea that what transpired in this video. Could be justified by some sort of citizen's arrest law or stand your ground law. Can you help us understand the citizens arrest law that you have in Georgia so the Georgia citizens arrest law states that a private person may arrest in offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge also the if the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape a private person may arrest him upon reasonable improbable grounds of suspicion? So that's the actual legalese wording in the Georgia Code. I imagined laws like these come in Handy when a store owner is trying to detain shoplift or something like that. Do you think they apply to what happened. In this case to a Marbury like one of the earlier prosecutor said I think there are a number of factors that make This not what I would consider a lawful citizens arrest but I do want to be clear. I'm not a lawyer and also I do believe that. We have a very capable prosecutor on the case now and. I'm sure that they will take all these things into account so I'm saying this to you as a state representative but also just as a citizen reading this law and reading it out loud several times and having watched the Gut Wrenching Video Several Times just to try to get an understanding of what happened. And I do not believe that This was a lawful citizens arrest. It was cold blooded murder. Do think there's a way to address these kinds of shootings in the Georgia legislature. Change these citizens arrest laws. Maybe yes so. The first thing that I think of is a representative Renita Shannon has already had a bill drafted. That does exactly what you're saying. It reverses the slide action just strikes this law from the code in all honesty. I do not see any reason for any private person to be deputized to arrest people just because they think a crime has been committed or even if they see the crime committed in my opinion. I think it's better to get a description of the person. Contact law enforcement and let them handle that they. That's what their job is right. But Georgia tried and failed to reverse the stand your ground law. It has in two thousand fourteen and stand your ground. Laws are part of this picture. Right they legalize killing someone. If you feel threatened. The story feels a lot like Trayvon Martin's from Florida. Do you think this can change in Georgia and Florida anywhere else? That has these laws you know. Honestly I don't think there is a political will to change it The thing about it is we live in a gun loving country and we live in a gun loving state. In my opinion the law needs to be changed to be Very specific on what self defense really is and there shouldn't be any wiggle room for this to be a a licensed to murder people just because you want to or just because you felt threatened you know. We all always hear the phrase I feared for my life I think that phrases extremely overused and A lot of instances what's used to justify standing your ground That I do believe is where there's too much gray area. I don't think fear should be enough to justify killing someone. It needs to be a legitimate threat. I'm sure you have black constituents calling in right now telling you. They're extremely frustrated or or worse right. I mean Elliot's Yes you're euro black lawmaker in a state where these laws you're saying are likely to not change. What do you say to people who are calling? You scared for their children's lives. Who are who are scared to let their kids. Go play outside especially wearing a mask. Even in this climate where were this man was executed for going on a jog and looking a certain way And that we might not have even known about it. Were it not for this video? That was released last week right. You know I am a mom myself. I have a eleven year old daughter and a thirteen almost fourteen year old son. Both of them are athletes. And right after this happened. They both asked me about going for runs. My daughter runs track. My son plays football and basketball. My daughter also plays basketball. These are athletes and the the truth is I am a state representative. I Live in my community. I know my neighbors. I still do not feel comfortable letting my children go for a run outside of where I can physically see them from the window. It's a real fear and What I can say is that as far as the citizens arrest law. I am going to sign onto the bill That it has been proposed by Representative Shannon. That's a good first step. So that's what you're doing as a lawmaker in Georgia. What are you saying to your kids? I mean what do you say to them when they want to go out for a run? And you're scared for their lives. I actually sat down and had a conversation with them about it. Because I think it's really important to prepare your children for the world You know being a mother of Black children but especially a mother. Black Son Vere there are conversations that I have to have that. I feel it is just important to have and I hate that. It's twenty twenty and I feel like I'm probably having the same conversations that my grandparents had of my parents and that my great grandparents had with my grandparents. But here I am I have to have these conversations with my children have to let them know that it is not fair The way that things are and it is not right in it is not just but we cannot control other people. The only thing we can control our is ourselves and so the at most. We have to always be diligent. We have to always be careful. You know the I look at that video and I feel like there's no of careful that Amar could have been to prevent what happened to him because those men were men on a mission. They were hunting down what they felt with someone who didn't belong in their space. You know. There's only so much careful you can be on your own But you know I just tell my children I I just WanNa see them. Come home every day. I WANNA see them wake up in the morning. I want to see them do great things and so to do that. We can not look at the world with rose colored glasses and believe that just because people can do the right thing means. They will do the right thing at us. Examples of things like this. Show that while. There's lots of great things in this world. There's still a lot that we have to work on and there's a still. We still have a long way to go. representative Clark. Thank you so much for your time this morning. Thank you very much for the interview for the chance to speak on this law and Justice. Speak on on the situation as a whole. I really do appreciate the opportunity. I'll take care worried about the world right. Now I'm worried about the world right now. We're all a little worried about the world right now if you're struggling with anxiety loneliness or having trouble coping with it all and you're not alone better help with the help. They offer licensed professional counselors. Who can help they connect you with your counselors in a safe and private online environment in anything. You share is confidential better. 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Laura Behrens Wu - When Digital and Physical Worlds Converge - [Founders Field Guide, EP.5]

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Laura Behrens Wu - When Digital and Physical Worlds Converge - [Founders Field Guide, EP.5]

"This episode of funders feel God is brought to you by Microsoft for startups Microsoft for startups global program dedicated to helping enterprise ready be startups successfully scaled their companies. The program has been around for a couple of years, but I recently became intrigued when former invest like the best guest Jeff. Ma took over Microsoft for startups provides companies access to technology including azure cloud, and get hub coupled with a streamlined path to selling alongside Microsoft in their global partner ecosystem. Microsoft startup says it very compelling approach to working with startups and driving. Their long-term business value. If you're a founder running A. B. Two B. Company targeting the enterprise, you should definitely check them out at startups, dot Microsoft, dot com to hear more about the program stay tuned at the end of the episode to hear from me and current program member abnormal security. This episode is also brought to you by VENTA. 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Founders field guide is a series of conversations with founders, CEOS and operator spilling Greek businesses I. Believe we are all builders. Our own way in this series is dedicated stories and lessons from builders wall types. You can find more episodes at investor field guide DOT COM. Patrick o'shaughnessy if the CEO of Shaughnessy Asset, management? All opinions, expressed Patrick and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and do not reflect the opinion of o'shaughnessy asset management. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as basis for investment decisions, clients, Shaughnessy Asset, management may maintain positions in the securities discussed in this podcast. Guess is Laura Baron Swoop Co founder and CEO of Shipu ship started in two thousand fourteen. After Laura, realized with her own ECOMMERCE startup that shipping was an incredibly difficult task for most merchants. So she said out the fix the problem for everyone. Schiphol let's merchants small and large user dashboard or is to simplify the shipping and tracking process. Our conversation focuses on Laura's background prior to ship how ship does business and business strategy evolved the inherent challenges of building shipping platform and the intersection of the physical digital worlds. I hope you enjoy our wide ranging conversation. Laura I was thinking of an interesting entry point for this conversation. I'm always interested by how entrepreneurs come across the problem space. They then spend their careers on you had started the company called popout prior to ship. Oh, I'd love to hear that story and how bad experience lead you to this problem that you're now building around in Chicago. That's a pass down. Memory Lane have thought about popout for a long time. What happened was I'm originally from Germany roughly six years ago I came to San Francisco I as a summer insurance to join Y combinator startup call. That brought me to the city initially working at door pre-series a, it was a team of twenty people we were working. Day and night to make sure that we're hitting the kinds of throws numbers that. Investors would be looking for. So it's amazing very energizing experience and I think coming German environment. Why was used a lot more hierarchy in the workplace is nothing like I've ever experienced I decided that I wanted to stay in. San Francisco full-time working here from there I. Think my next stop was given that I like the start of environment this much maybe there is a company that I can start down the road I. started brainstorming came up with a ton of different ideas I'd still have that spreadsheet somewhere the thought was really there are no bad ideas anything that I can come up. and. Choose to at the end of the day. I didn't have any super disruptive ideas site decided to keep it simple just get started with an ECOMMERCE business. That's what pop out. So I built a small e commerce business that was never mentioned anything big. It was a side project to do on the weekends as using shop affiars using stripe used all the existing building lots it wasn't supposed to be. Venture or scalable supposed to be a tool to teach me how to run a small company and then running small ECOMMERCE business. I realized that all of the different e commerce building logs are really easy at intuitive to use to put together. I've never done ecommerce before that, but it wasn't too difficult to figure out how to set up a shop a store strive to start selling on the Internet would. Came as a surprise to me was that shipping was much more difficult early on I. I. Walked to the USPS occasion the Fedex store and realized that first of all the people working there they're not super helpful. They're not going to give you any advice or tell you how to do things better. But then standing in line, there is a waste of time. These locations are only open between ten four so. These are normal working hours and then in addition to that when I started looking into technologies at these companies provide the interfaces were extremely clunky and you can imagine that if Fedex Api, UPS USPS API they're not as easy and simple to use as a striper full you API because he's companies they're not tech companies the really good at doing the complex logistics of shipping figuring out how to move packages across. The country across the world, but they're not good at building simple to use technology writing a documentation centre developer friendly from there. My realization was said it is too hard if it's hard for me than it's probably hard for other people as well. The founder used to work for yet this kind of cheesy shed that was built something that's a painkiller not vitamin from there I think putting these things together it. Is Hard for a type people. This is a giant pinpoint in Congress because every single needs to ship there's just no way around that at that point had had reconnected with a friend from college who has more technical than I. Am you decided to just jump on this opportunity and figure it out and sometimes we joke about that silver like at the beginning when I pitched Michael Founder. Simon this idea. Both of us he asked me is shipping something. You'd be excited to get out of bed for for the next ten fifteen years and I wasn't sure. He wasn't sure we weren't shipping logistics experts beforehand, but we decided to just give it a chai built MVP talk to some customers and see what happens and not get paralyzed by the sense certainty from there I think having talked to a few customers extremely. Obvious shipping is actually more exciting than we thought mostly because there's so many low hanging fruit. So many inefficiencies because this is such such an old business, and also because he congress has advanced at such a rapid pace that the discrepancy between these two industries, giant discrepancies that's the founding story. It's been more than five years by now getting out of bed every single day to work on shipping I haven't regretted. I love this idea of entering what is obviously an enormous market. A lot of times investors will do a lot of research on market size like pretty confident shipping's a massive market and growing like crazy. But in the face of a market that big I always wonder how founders approach what to do i. how do you decide what the first product will be so that you can stay focused and not try to solve every problem of a very old industry. So what did you start with? So before you get to that just double clicking on this being a giant market and I think a great piece of advice for founders. Giant markets are awesome but it's even better if this giant market is continuously expanding fresh when I looked at shipping or even today like shipping is growing like crazy because e commerce is still in its earlier days. So it's not an. Industry that's going away. It's giant pious continuously expanding and I think those are really really nice industries to begin to answer your question about what we decided to focus on. I. Think it was a little bit of a trial and error in hindsight everything seems like a fairly straightforward story with you read out there are Forbes. We started out just shutting with potential e-commerce customers, ECOMMERCE merchants our initial thought was there all of these different shipping ap is a really difficult to use the documentations terrible yesterday right into get API is the MVP was to build a wrapper around existing. API's trying to sell that to a few e commerce margins and when we approached. The congress margins I think especially the mid sized or larger ones. The first question they asked was how many packages going through a today at the beginning November Api we failed that we weren't able to get through that question that led us to going too much much smaller customers customers who are, let's say more desperate for better, more efficient, cheaper easier to use shipping technology go into much smaller customer. So mom-and-pop businesses, we encountered a different challenge actually the challenged with those customers was her super excited. They wanted help they need help that idea to shipping, but they had no idea what API was approached them with the wrong offering than kind of. Putting two and two together, and we decided to focus on businesses I. WE decided to build in to use user interface on top of our API to sell it to smaller businesses. So they need to learn how to integrate API started aggregating volume by aggregating ten of SMB's, and in the meantime was aggregated volume. We've been able to after larger and larger customers because by now able to say that we actually have a lot of packages going through API. That's how I would describe the progression of our focus at the beginning was really tiny mom and pop businesses before we started to go after and it came out of necessity, not necessarily a calculated decision. Could you describe for those early customers sort of what the experience was like for them to ship something before Shipu and then what it was like after what the change was A. Lot of our earliest customers they're using either the US interfaced directly. So USPS has an online interface on their website or were going to Fedex ups store so were just walking they're handing over there. Packages oster signing them up entrepot were able to do as we're able to pull in all of the orders from whatever platform they're selling on takes office. is an example for pulling those orders automatically into the road Ashford from there were creating shipman for them. We show them all the friendship ing rates, shipping options, recommend them the cheapest fastest whatever preferences they have, and then with one click fatter all labels Orlando anytime and another quake the postman comes to pick it up if x person comes to pick it up. So it's literally going from this kind of manual step-by-step process to two clicks print something put it on the package someone comes against it at the right time, and that's how you do everything and is integrated with you automatically push that stuff to them when they sell something because you can see when they're selling. That's right that's right and I think in the meantime, the has evolved quite a lot already. So I can talk about what it's like today and what we're thinking about for the future but really leads me back to motto of build something that's a painkiller not a vitamin I think when we approached the larger companies, they already had some sort of shipping options place. We could do a better they were not in such a big pain that they're willing to take risks to try unproven startup approached. The amount of pop businesses is just such a giant pinpoint that they didn't care that we've only been around for a few months. They just wanted help to solve this problem. In the early days, if you think back, what would you describe as the first big break that you got in your favor or something that happened that created a step change function in Your Business? What does that bring to mind? It was. I mean in hindsight again, very straightforward realization. But for us, it was realization that in addition to giving our customers access to very easy and simple to use analogy, they have a second challenge, which is they are too small to get access to any kind of shipping discounts or shipping rates, and they're also it's obvious to technology that's challenging for them is also going through sign up or account setup with all different shipping carriers and figuring out how to set up different accounts, kinds of rates qualify for how to. Compare rates. So we started the business we thought this would be a mostly in a Pi or board, and when we went deeper into the business, we realized that through economies of scale, we can remove another pinpoint for our customers, which is around account with carriers, and it gives us the additional advantage that we can aggregate volume, and then our customers access to better shipping rates before going into the business without something that we were aware of by now, this is a big part of our business model, the aggregation factor. SIP It more about that. Would you have one master account with each chipper by ship and then you're letting others participate in that master account basically so they don't even have to sign up each time. That's right. That's right. I think that's harder than you think it makes perfect sense that that's what it should be like when you sign up on ship, you shouldn't have to get your own Fedex or ups or USPS account in this industry. Is another known way to do business before we started pushing it adding some carriers were more open towards this kind of setup other carriers where are still more resistant there's a big argument to be made that this is a win win for both customers. They don't have to go through the site of process anymore but then also shipping providers don't have to do account management or customer support, and it's a easy customer acquisition channel for them. My friend Blake and I were talking yesterday about this thesis of just backing businesses that make it easy for other entrepreneurs to run their business and I love this idea of like a painkiller no-one's passionate about getting their packages somewhere. They're passionate about the product and I'm curious what you think this industry shipping industry looks like just more holistically that makes it so complex like why is this such an arcane strange read about these stuff with the postal service is kind of like, I, don't know what's going on here talk a bit about just the complexity and the history of shipping generally. First of all everything in ECOMMERCE happens online up until you need to shut and then shipping is the convergence of online and offline were these two worlds meet and you have to find a way to make them fit their real life people involved unpacking the boxes in figuring out what goes into which box and putting the shipping label on the box. So software needs to direct them to do all these things and you have to take the workflow of realized you point to account and then as a package is. On its way that's happening in the real world, and then we need to figure out how to translate what's going on in the real world back to the Internet and relay that to consumers into now merchants. That's where it gets complicated. I think it's different from payments or from text messaging there's a real life component to this. That's where it gets messy because you don't know what's going on. You have to find a way to figure out what's going on in the real world bring that back to the Internet. Sometimes. We have very strange era messages they're. INARA message that there's a delayed because the driver ran into a deer ran over a Dr. these are just very real-life occurrences that will happen and you have to figure out how to map that back to something that merchants and consumers understand. What looking back was like the most painful period of building to get through as you navigated this complex thing like if you had to rebuild ship from the ground part of it would be like, Oh God. I don't want to go through that. Again, I think what's making this industry really hard stuff were built on top of a bunch of other API. Still, we don't really control as we grow our business and expanding to more countries. We add even worshiping API, the mix and these different shipping. Companies Change Your API coins they don't really let us know when they do that. They have compliance certification things have come up once a year that we have to go through certification again when I say that on the one hand, the fact that we're doing all of this and customers still have to do all of this one by one is a big value for our customers. I think it is already a mode or a competitive advantage if we can do this well on the other hand it. is taking up of resources and it's tying them up to do something will split that into a bucket. A customers expect this to work, but they're not going to give you extra points. Exactly. They're not gonNA give you extra points for this work, but they'll be really pissed off if it doesn't work saw our engineers are tied up doing this kind of critical infrastructure work. We have to find carve-out engineering teams to be able to build new features functionalities that were actually excited about and make. Sure that we're able to balance boats. So that's the hardest arguments something that's never going to go away. It's expensive and it's sometimes mowing work. I always just remind our team members that if we're doing all this annoying work for our customers, our customers don't have to do it. That's exactly the point. Not every ECOMMERCE business should have to go through the challenge of figuring out ups endpoint. API endpoint changes one by one, but we're the buffer in between we can make sure that we take care of. Before we fast forward now to today kind of what you're building and what's changed for relieved. The kind of early aspects of Shipu what advice looking back would you have for others that are about to embark on that same early company Building Journey oftentimes talked to founders and I can see that they're overthinking just what they want to build and what's worked very well for me and my co founder said when we had an idea, we just started building and then other ideas come chateau today is nothing like what we started out with. If we remain paralysed trying to figure out what the best idea could be, we wouldn't have found this idea so. I think there's a lot to be said about just getting into actions starting to build something, and then you'll figure it out as you go. There is no shame around pivoting or changing your idea but I think that all of that is better than trying to overthinking I'm tying this into talking to customers as well. I think by talking to people to customer specifically like your ideas will evolve that's only back. One of the things I'm most interested in in technology and software world is how you decide to price your services in the early days. Talk me through that process and how it's evolved over time because it's just seems like pricing in software is such a difficult task. We're really bad at pricing. We didn't really treat it as a science. I think at the beginning even nowadays were looking for growth over anything else sort looking at pricing our product in a way that is attributing value to our softwares are merchants understand that are offered free were not trying to price it too high for merchants to not want to this a try. I'm saying this perspective that we're still mostly in essence focus. So everything that's public out there in terms of pricing is for us in vs however I think the difference between us in most other businesses that are software fees are only. Part of our business model, the other part is really our ability to resell discount shipping rates. So it says aggregation model that is more about what we're able to negotiate with shipping providers what kinds of rates were allowed to pass on to our customers to talk to you now about the evolution of product? So I think probably everyone listening can imagine this Great v one where it's like no longer hard now it's a couple of clicks and I put a thing on a package and I put it outside from they're talking about how you felt your way to the next set of things to be solved. Quite early on, we realized that our customers when they're using Shapiro, they held us accountable for if the FEDEX API now nor the ups who the USPS API so even though they knew that the shipping was done by the friendship ing providers that was not the issue while we're using the ship interface, a trusted our technology wanted were pissed off if something is not working and we couldn't point to let's say you as ps or Fedex that was not good enough. Of An excuse also not trust to accept. So we started investing into making sure that even though we're making use of the different shipping providers that were controlling the entire technology experienced that we're able to guarantee up time reliability making sure that we're able to return shipping rates and shipping labels even if carrier API's are down so that involve a lot of work around like storing our rates. Shipping rates are customers shipping rates on our own servers instead of calling upstream API's. Again harder than you think in our minds at least it was absolutely necessary before we started adding more customers and especially larger customers to our platform. We invested a bunch into the infrastructure and making sure that we're ready to scale that were selling something to larger customers that were actually proud of in. Then from there restarted thinking about expanding the platform that is a fairly common pollution in Saas companies you start by just selling something very simple a shipping interface shipping, API PAYMENTS API whatever that is, and then from there, you think about how else can we create value for the customers? What else? Do they need where are the other shipping related pinpoints. So now we are in that phase expanding the platform adding other products or other features to our platform and fresh for shipping specifically shipping. Touches a few things for the It can help merchant save money, but it can also help Martin's grow their businesses We're at right now I would call that turning from what we used to be. Let's say an aggregate her, we aggregated a ton of SNB's and offer them a fairly simple product. All we do is give them the right shipping label, and now we turn this into a platform and we have a nice mode already because we figured out how to. Acquire customers a scalable way, and now we can just solve more problems for them, which also translates into seldom or products I love that idea of aggregating the SNB demand and you just mentioned you figured out how to acquire them. I'm always interested in SNB space where sometimes you know like an expensive salesperson doesn't make sense how you solve that problem. How did you go to market originally and what have you learned about that distribution side of the business, which is so important. SMD's I. Mean Yeah. They said very different from enterprise clients. First of all, it's hard to figure out where they are. How do you reach someone I dunno knitting cat sweaters in the middle of America I how you market to them. So we at the beginning really nicely piggybacked on a bunch of super obvious SMP Agra. So as an example Sherifi has already aggregated hundreds of thousands of is a great place to start. We'll cover that same probably big commerce as well. So there are a bunch of known SMB aggregated out there that have ecosystems where you can participate at get customer referrals from that was our early customer acquisition strategy just piggybacking on existing as the aggregate. Shopping just starting to grow like crazy great customer acquisition Gel. Then of course, you run into the challenge of you have to have diversified revenue sources to be honest. Once you get to that point where you can think about diversifying revenue sources. It's a luxury problem to have. You're no longer in the bucket of there's not enough revenue we might die tomorrow good problem to have but that's the next problem I think what works very well with as well as when you have some early customers are really happy with your product Great Thousand Online merchants they have formed survey participated on. facebook where another channel where they recommend with already using word of mouth has been great Fraz, and then at some point, you realize that organic growth is just not going to cut it anymore. You've grown to a size where ganic gross has taken you there but it's not going to take you to the next level as your sem lets you went out. Content content is a big one and that ties very well into our mission. As well, making shipping easy bringing easy to read and accessible shipping content to ECOMMERCE. March. is a reflection of that. Now, I think paid has started to scale up nicely as well. You're trying to find ways to rain demand to your website and do that in a scalable way instead of trying to find customers one by one and hit them one one because to contract values or just not big enough to be worth US time. I love the idea of in the early days being almost like a pilot fish on another big aggregate talk to me a bit about shop affi-. So obviously, there's sort of this huge business that has a sort of similar mission to you enable merchants to do a better job. Have that literally work in the early days how do you make them a partner when you're small and they're big and how do you? Think about nurturing good relationships with sort of the eight hundred pound gorilla type firms that are adjacent to you and have the same sort of general interest is you there were two I think a lot of these larger companies were now starting to be in a similar position as well. At some point they realize they're lot of features that their customers are looking for, but they just can't keep up building all these. Features themselves plus it's not the core of their business might as well able third party developers to help out into create more value for the customer base. So that's I. Think Shopping is done that very well salesforce. Another awesome example is creating this APP store this ecosystem for other start ups, other developers to build services for their customer base, and that's what we did early on you can do that without a lot. Of contacts at these companies, anyone can submit an APP. After you go through approval process, we've been growing in those ecosystems. We started to get to know about the shock people, but I think early on is very nice merit based system anyone can build to their APP store and as soon as you've done that and you start getting positive reviews, y'all rhythm just lists you up front were word of mouth cakes in. Yet. So interesting that it's sort of a mutually beneficial relationships like if you're making the overall experience for their customer better, you're actually helping them grow exactly exactly and I think there's a lot to be said of the shop fight ecosystem the APP store ecosystem I think it's the most vibrant compared to all the other shopping carts builders out there. I think it is actually a big draw for merchants to figure out where they want to start building their website. As you think about the future now you sort of describe. Now where you're at today I guess going deeper into the problem space that your clients have or your customers have. How do you think about the three five, seven, ten year type plans? Do you think that way? Do you think that's a mistake to plan too much and just let it continue to grow organically how do you think about the future? There are a lot of things that you can't plan some not trying to figure out the exact product back for the next five ten years however there a few this underlying mechanisms of how this business works that we all need to understand in this business and then make decisions around those and for Chicago specifically, there are few fly wheels that are just in our favor. Our goal is to make sure. That, we keep fueling those fly wheels. The number one flywheel is one around shipping volumes. The more packages we should better are shipping rates are leveraged become with the carriers and were able to offer more attractive shipping options to our customers, acquire more customers faster and get worshiping volumes. That's really Nice flywheel and we've had by now five years of data to prove that this is a fi will works for ship. Were starting to roll the sound across most shipping providers out there. Now, I'm thinking about what's the next flight wheel what else is it our business? The other one that we've been excited about for really long time one around data, and I think this is now were a few companies ticket easier as they scale as they grow with our current scale were taken much more seriously by the different shipping providers that we were for. Five years ago this is easier for us now, and now that we've aggregated all of that shipping data from our customers and then we can build our product ways. They're more intelligent than we could do in the past. What I mean by that is we can start making recommendations to our customers around which shipping provider to choose. We can share with them benchmarks in from the shipping industry that we see across the board also. Tell them which have been provided in seeing delays for very specific routes, very specific service levels. So there is a lot of data driven optimization that we can start doing for our customers. We weren't able to do beforehand Michael is I think the reason why I'd say Amazon or Walmart is significantly better at shipping compared to sap is, of course, they have a much bigger engineering team and then on the other hand they just. have access to a lot more shipping data most have their own data said, there's not a lot of optimization they can do given their limited data said, we want to bring those kinds of shipping practices, the Walmarts, and the targets of the world. Actually Amazon, is one that I should call out. The amazons of the world can do bring those shipping practices to the masses and make sure that everyone has access to them with. Minimal cognitive overhead, they shouldn't have to think about it. We're doing the thinking we're analyzing the data. We tell them how to invest check at the most cost effective the fast way. Toby Lewke. The founder has the classic arm, the rebels line and you brought up Amazon not me. So I have to ask about them. So on a world where people consumer demand love how you said earlier like you don't get credit when stuff works you get yelled at when stuff breaks and consumer expectations we've just gotten greedy. We want our things and we want them. Now I know that you're built on top of other shipping providers united literally shipping things yourselves but how? Do you think about that competitive positioning where Amazon and other massive retailers can do their own infrastructure and you want to be competitive so that s can compete against them independently how do you think about that problem were you're sort of out of control? It's not really in your control, but nonetheless, it's an important thing for your business. Yeah. It's an interesting question. I think the reason why let's say that Masan Walmart can have their own shipping infrastructure is because they're pickup locations are. Very, predictable they know over there were houses are they know where to pick up from our customer base is spread all across the country and we're working with more than fifty thousand SMU's right now. So they're all across the US we can't pick up from fifty thousand different locations. So it's actually more cost effective travel other carriers do as I think this is where it gets interesting around it's getting a little obscure. But if we compare this to, let's say the airline industry. In the airline industry, we have dynamic pricing. So as the plane is full or about to get full, you're paying more than if the planet's half-empty on the shipping providers sight, there's no dynamic pricing. Everyone's always paying the same for the same package and I think we're as we grow instead of trying to figure out our own shipping provider. There are things we can do with the carriers to help them is to make sure that the right carrier is getting the right amount of. Averages for the capacity level that their ads you mentioned already one obvious competitive advantage that you're building in that original flywheel of your scale, being able to pass on more the price advantages to your customers, and obviously that keeps spinning. So I would call that like scale economies. How do you think about the other famous competitive advantages and whether or not? You deliberately try to cultivate them in your business you have time to sit back and do that sort of thing that's for. Investors to figure out I have a few investors have reminded me over the course of the year is that it's important to figure the salad and like F felt this annoying when they kept reminding me. But in hindsight I think is a good call out not a lot of time comes up for this kind of work because they today it's not pressing. It's not as if I have a meeting where I need to have understood all of my flywheel that I can't go into. Eating without that seems to be nice to have given our my daily schedule on my calendar. I'd have to deliberately carve out time to do that and I think it's become not easier to do. But maybe more important to do as we got to be a larger business early on it was all about survival. It's been a very deliberate shift of mindset for me. I'm becoming aware we're not just GONNA die tomorrow we're out of that phase we will die if I don't spend. Time on making sure that we have our longer term strategy in place and it might not be immediate death it used to be running out of money is like a slow death when someone else comes up and has a better strategy that's been interesting I think for founders at least for me, this was a hard transition to make just getting out of firefighting and getting out of that mode. I. Still Think were a small company when in reality we're not that solve accompanying why What is the best question that an investor ever asked you? So I can tell you what the worst question as. Counselor they're. The worst questions always would advance on buses. It's the worst question because you can ask us to any company you could acid to any company out there. You could ask what Amazon does is the best question it's simple specific. Actually I think there's always a question of what happens when our customers grow when our customers grow and become big enough to be using a three pl to even have their own warehouse when our shipping discounts might not be as relevant to them anymore compared to our technology advantages. How do we make sure that we don't have leaky bucket with our best customers? That's a very good question not because. The best answer to it because it's actually something to look out for in the future as we're willing to make sure that we don't have a key buck at at at at and. How would you describe your own superpowers as a founder or business leader and are those things that you try to focus your efforts around play to your strengths versus shore up areas where you're not as strong? In terms of character persistence is an underrated superpower and sounds gritty. It is gritty but I think could have given up a lot earlier. There were times in the business that worn fun. This'll come up also longer times in the business that we're in fun and especially when starting company be so persistent in making sure that you get to early proof points yet to people who believe in you enough to put money in. So persistence is a personal characteristic. I really appreciate also mit numbers and then what my strengths are again, I know more about what my? Weaknesses are that have hired for those weaknesses I'd say more high level than in the detail. So when I'm hiring for people looking for people who can just at this point at least had take the ideas that I have turn them into execution on the executing cited as fine as an individual contributor. Early on I think as the companies had this scale, they're much better. Executor's are able to figure out how to do this at the size of the business rat right now. Yes. Spent a lot of China this year hiring people who've been there done that. I'm fascinated to know how you think about choosing your customer. You mentioned at the beginning you thought about building this API and then realized that none of these SMB's new at that was. She had to build them a dashboard. If you go to your site now it appears you can choose you can access via API or you can get a simple software dashboard to us how do you think about doing both those things well at the same time and who is it that we talked about the dashboard and the small customers but who is it that uses the? This is the hardest question and operate in isn't an insanely hard. Because what we're looking at is roughly eighty percent of our customers just the amount of our customers are using the short together. Twenty percent of our shipping volume and then twenty percent of our customers are using the API doing eighty percent of the volume. So really hard challenge in terms of. The customers were using the API they're typically very much like stripe rightfully customers their tech companies. So everyone who's using an API? They're probably started. They have a few deaf resources in house and because of that, they're also stealing much faster sometimes like we've acquired a bunch of now large enterprise are mid size startups started with us when they were in Wiessee or even before pre-funding looking for a shipping. API. Once you've integrated shipping API unless really screw up, you're not going to erected out again everyone else. They don't know what any pin's never have any in house developers would be friction too much friction to teach them what API is. Talking. To friends the other day I think stripe. As an example, they're only selling to people know what is and then you've got a different company like square selling businesses that interface and we are trying to do both at once I. Think the upset here is how we've tried to minimize head is that our cash board is built on top of the API's basically climbed of the API. These are two different products but I think were completely right as we're talking about prayer transition day today in our company this is the hardest to prioritize from a product perspective. World Shipping obviously has gotten more complicated and more international kind of more global. If I was starting a new direct consumer brand based company I was planning on shipping a bunch of stuff. What would you want me to know about shipping that would be surprising or interesting? What are the things that new entrance into this space as ECOMMERCE companies maybe don't? Appreciate about what to expect here. Most people when they're getting started with any commerce business, they're mostly thinking about when an order comes in. How do I make sure that this order arise at the consumers doorstep that's the part about where you pronounce Shipping Label. Put It in a box make sure that it goes to the carrier in it's on its way. What we've been realizing over the course of the last four or five years of shipping comes in much earlier than when March actually needs to put a label on the box. Even before consumer chooses to buy at your store, they're looking at how much shipping shipping free as your free shipping threshold and consumers might not even by with you unless they're seeing the right shipping options at checkout are on the website most merchants think about shipping coming in after purchase would need it as a change in perception shipping comes in even before purchases being made, and again, this is something that's talked to us by Amazon Amazon prime those kinds of skyrocketing customer expectations. I always think founders have the best view of the ground of growing businesses especially, technology businesses, what are the most interesting winds of change that you sense in companies or other founding teams that you're friendly with or close with in terms of what businesses are being built and how they're being built there is one that I've been investigating that I just love so much I love farmers I love the disruption of the supply chain instead of consumers buying farm products are produce in grocery stores and seeing the trend of farmers coming direct to consumer as well on just letting. Consumers order from their own websites weigel will be a ordering to purple potatoes. From Hawaii, you can order just a ton of produce on the Internet get higher quality getting delivered to your door sometimes cheaper than buying it from the grocery store bypassing the grocer has been an interesting trend and farmers moving online becoming direct-to-consumer Hoddle. We literally just got our first misfits markets package at our house. Today really is interesting I. Love that answer of more middlemen being cut out seems to be like that is the trend worth watching less friction and steps between value and the customer. What are you most excited about for the future of kind of building this business and continuing to learn about this space. Another way of asking is, what do you not understand really well, yet today that you wish you did. We've only scratched the surface I don't want to downplay because we've done a lot but up until now, we're really just offering very simple products or customers, which is we give them shipping labels in a straightforward fashion as were thinking about what's next the majority of our competitors, all of our competitors they're making revenue by mostly this arbitrage model of the shipping discounts. How do we turn this really into much more of a software platform and again, not saying that we're not a software company today we are but how do we generate more software revenue by creating more value to our customers and grinning wore high margin products for customers that were reselling shipping rates and shipping labor arbitrage can always be the. Foundation of our format is awesome foundation to have as we grow up. How do we make sure that we start building almost standalone products when I look at early to companies that are very similar strive connect stripe relay stripe agnes, their fraud detection tool or folio has a bunch of separate product lines as well. How do we make sure that we can make that next step in the evolution and also I'm wondering what's up that no other shipping software company before us has been able to make that step. So maybe there is something that I don't know yet. That's making this particularly hard I'm optimistic. This is really not rocket science how come no one else has been able to make chefs. To be in the position of success already. So that I'm sure there's an interesting conversation or two to be had with whoever the developers are. That are your biggest API users asking them. What else is a pain in your ass? We could solve for the seems like a fun challenge. Yeah that's exactly. My closing question for everybody is to ask you for the kindest thing that anyone's ever done for you. One thing that comes to mind immediately that is work related, which is before I came to San Francisco to Internet lend up I was actually looking around for quite a while. To See if there are any infringement opportunities that I could find those using Angeles for that mostly didn't get any response at all is already starting to just accept that I wouldn't be able to come see San Francisco at end work for startup here by chance run into someone at a tech conference who happens to be A. Founder it was Zurich in your job within over coffee shared on the side, I'm trying to find an internship job in San Francisco. He just offered to four my resume to the West email lists. You didn't know me we only just met. that. that. He forwarded for me I think it got directly twenty seven responses ended up with internship job as lend none of us could have happened if it wasn't for that really friendly forward a female. Yeah. A great taste of how open minded the network in San Francisco is around introductions in your edmonds much more knit. They don't want to let you in as easily while in Silicon Valley reputedly just experienced people being really kind about opening up their networks for. Will I love this base in which you're operating? I loved the idea of solving weird sticky hard problems for customers learned a lot from our conversation. So thanks so much for your time. This episode was brought to you by Microsoft for startups. Microsoft, for startups is a global program dedicated to helping enterprise ready to be startup successfully scale their companies. In our five part miniseries, we were talking to Evan, riser, CEO of abnormal security about his experience with Microsoft startups. In this week's episode with Evan We. Talk about choosing to work with Microsoft for startups and his advice for B. Two B. Enterprise entrepreneurs. One of the things that always frustrates me is the term ai being thrown around like crazy an attached to seemingly every powerpoint deck and pitch to say a bit about what specifically that means to you guys I think. You are actually in a security company that has deploying actual machine learning techniques to improve your product safety words on on what you think about this buzzword and when it's relevant, it's not yeah. I. Mean all the tool right and you could also say sorting algorithms isn't sound quite as sexy and Harketting CEO US great soaring Algorithms at the end of the day like the customer doesn't really care about what technology. US They. Care about are you have training great solution to my problem when we talk to customers we try to not talk too much about our ai machine learning at least not at first because they've heard all the buzzwords before and their meaningless and said what we try to do to show people value as possible, and so when customers are able to install brockton one click and see meet results about all the attacks we've stopped in as a how'd you guys catch this like how is that possible? Then we explain okay well, it's actually AI system under the hood and here's the data that system is analyzing and trying to assess. In order to make this judgment internally in a I I company. But I think from a customer perspective is kind of noise. Right can be very distracting. It's we've found it much affected. Here's the case we solve. Here's the solution does you know try yourself because it's so easy to evaluate when there's super surprising impressed than we kind of peel back onion been explain what nominally techniques using to to deliver those results the partnership aspect of all of this with Microsoft in this case specifically but but more generally just plugging into existing ecosystems is really important for businesses like yours any closing thoughts on how you think about the progression Of Your Business and how it gets distributed over the next couple of years. Yes. So I think increasingly the there's been a huge explosion of new security stripes new it startups right and there are. There are some very good tools. Point solutions I think increasingly enterprises consolidate their into the cloud. They're also gonNA, CONSI- architectures, and they're gonNA want to have or at least concern into a single ecosystem, and so I think there's a lot of value that customers gets by only on top of the ecosystem already have which is just Microsoft. So proxy integrate really nicely to the entire tool set. That's a differentiation between different solutions and ultimate customers. Won't be enterprise ready means you really have to integrate into the way enterprises do work I think that is an increasingly standardized set of tools. We're seeing enterprise the more easy plan ecosystem whether it's technically right into EP is tools whether it's in through procurement where it all comes down like one bill and whether you can like discovery explore that from like the same resources whether it's Azure Marc Pleasure Microsoft sales, team they it's a big difference, ver- it and security. Buyers which are just pummeled by cold calls and cold emails all day. So I think that's GONNA be for us, invest as first class way of bringing our proxy enterprise and I suspect we'll see a lot more drops falling future while I've been I'm going to go from here until my CTO to make sure not being impersonated anywhere. Hopefully, it gives the on the azure stack as well use use your product. So thanks so much for your time. Today. To Find more episodes were sign up for our weekly summary visit investor field guide dot com. Thanks for listening to founders field.

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Inside the world's biggest lockdown

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Inside the world's biggest lockdown

"Mm-hmm it's Tuesday April twenty eighth and they're now officially more than one million cove in nineteen cases in the United States. I'm Sean Romney's firm and this is your corona virus update from today explained. Testing remains the biggest barrier between where we are. And where we'd like to be in this country on Monday. The president said the United States would double testing but looks like double of not. Nearly enough is still just not nearly enough. The president appears to be doing everything in his power to keep the B. and B. Lt according to Bloomberg the news outlet. Not The billionaire. President trump is expected to invoke the defense production act in order to mandate meat production plants. They Open and supply. Arby's with all those crucial meats. I guess this comes after factory. Shutdowns and mounting reports of plant worker deaths dacoven nineteen. 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Baseball have been trying to figure out a way to make sports work in the NBA as telling players. They can train and receive treatment team buildings if it isn't violating local. Stay at home orders. Beginning may eighth. Is that an unfair advantage to teams. Who can go to these facilities? Probably and did you know that planes are still flying. Jetblue announced all passengers will need to wear masks or face coverings while up in the air. It's the first major. Us airlines to implement such a rule. But it's well behind the rest of the planet on that the rule be enforced starting may fourth may the fourth and may the mask be with you support for the show. Today comes from a new one. It's ship Ocean. Bell wants to help you. Streamline Your e commerce shipping operation and they're trusted by over a hundred thousand companies like Tuft and needle and Oetzi and more for our listeners. Right now they're offering their best discount available anywhere get a shipping consultation and a shinto pro plan six month trial for free at go shipu dot com slash explained Shimpo. It's like hippo with an S. The curious thing about this historic moment. We're living through right now. Is just how easy it is to forget that. This is all so historic right. Like when you're worried about your family and your job and being safe when you go to the grocery store it's easy to forget that the world's never seen anything quite like this before just think about India for a minute. Something like one point. Four billion people are on lockdown. How do you even do that? I asked professor or Fon Noordeen. He's the director of Georgetown University's India Initiative essentially there are three phases to the lockdown strategy. I was true in any place. Took the seriously was shut down economic activity to make sure that all unnecessary nonessential contact was kept an absolute minimum. The second is to begin to think about how to reopen gradual and measured manner the economy and society so that people can return to to work to return to their normal lives but Britain incredible amounts of testing contact tracing an isolation of anyone Diagnosed with the disease and the final is getting to a mass vaccination program that can be implemented across the length and breath of the country in India's case that's one point four billion people that would need the vaccine and of course undoing and rebuilding the damage from the damage done in the previous two phases. Because there's no way to get out of those first two phases out a lot of people having to make incredible amounts of sacrifice. But the idea that if you do that right you get to face three sooner than you would've read it. Let's dig into the three phases a bit more so phase one obviously has been implemented a spoken about it on the show before. India has locked down one point. Four billion people. How did the country even go about doing that? The very first thing that the country did was begin to use the international airports as Avi of restricting the entry of virus into the country so it was very much a model bitch. The threat was seen as imported cases. Coming from abroad in the lodge diaspora population. That works all over the world that may have been exposed inadvertently bringing it back in and so the airport became the first line of defense for Awhile. It seemed like that was going to be enough. The Health Ministry's issued an advisory to the civilian aviation ministry to conduct health screening of passengers. Arriving at airports in Kolkata Delhi and by from China has one more evidence of the community transmission of the virus to ask me I did on Baba juicy some some more logon. What it out to. The prime minister announced a nationwide lockdown one point. Four billion people told stay home for three weeks that has since been extended for at least another couple of weeks such that. India now is under lockdown. At least the first week of me. And my estimation is that is something truly unlike the world has ever seen before. Is that true? It is if you think of the two countries that have experienced corona virus over the last four months that resemble the size scale of India. Does it have to be China. And the United States and China the fray isolation of the virus in who problems but other parts of China would not play some of the same sorts of track down in the United States. Of course. If you're watching right now we still have states. That haven't enforced stay at home order. So what India did was something that neither China or the United States attempt to do a nationwide lockdown one point four billion people across the board. And what does that mean for the one point four billion people I mean what are the implications been so far On the one hand I suppose to give the government credit for making a very difficult decision. It has meant Towns have not risen as quickly as they would have in the absence of this lockdown but the real issue has been fought the locked onto her work as effectively as it could have or should have the parts needed to be increased so for one thing that appears to have not been any plan for what to do with the large numbers of migrant workers who line in this city streets who live on the outskirts live in densely populated slums many of whom react to the announcement of the lockdown by beginning to walk home to go back to the villages and small towns from his head. Calm the plight of the poor of migrants last night. When I was driving home from work I saw a steady stream of people on the expressway trying to just make their way back home. And some of those pictures that that is exactly what you're trying to so many people just so close to each other. They have no more means of transport telling them were holding their babies tone and I fed with them. This was the second largest human migration in the history of independent India. The biggest being partisan so literally millions of migrant workers leaving city so go home potentially taking the virus back to places that it had not already been and in addition to all the potential community spread there. It's going to be pretty complicated. Undo this mass migration this historic shutdown. It's going to be complicated in every country that attempts this but in India's case it's complicated by two very important factors that might be of interest to your listeners. One of course is that in that Fades Fund period that eighty percent of India's workforce that works in the informal sector and often relies on daily wages in order to make ends meet hundreds of millions of people who needed that food and can only purchase food if they can work on a given day so many. Tell them nor work for three weeks. That is not just that are not as difficult. That is the difference between life and death for hundreds of millions of people and we'll only know the full toll off that how when we finally get out of this phase can actually do a proper counting beyond that. The formal sector of the economy has taken a significant hit. Remember that India was entering twenty. Twenty economy already struggling. And what we'd now we're GONNA have. There's a possibility of urine which we have zero growth. Maybe even negative growth depending on how bad it goes be might have banks feeling. We'LL HAVE BUSINESSES GO OUT OF BUSINESS IN. India simply does not have the fiscal policy that the United States can Marshall for instance and putting massive stimulus bill. Bill's in place. The question of course has enough of the formula. Economy can be resuscitated. Such eventually economy begins to boom. A final consideration over here is that there's a lot of on government to open sooner than it might be advisable and that of course leads to consent. There'll be a massive outbreak again in the summer which will simply send in their back to where it is right now. I mean even more so than the United States I wonder how is India getting money to people to migrant workers who are now without any sort of financial source? I mean. These are people who don't have bank accounts in some cases can't read. How do you distribute stimulus if at all thought on says you? Can't I mean what the government can do? And this is thanks to the efforts over the last decade of building a unique identification system the system and a really significant effort to digitize finances to make bank accounts more accessible to lot more people than once wrote that the proportion of Indian citizens who have unique. Id and that's linked to a bank account as much greater today than it was ten years ago so the government will be able to deliver five thousand rupees. Three thousand rupees. That's fifty seventy dollars worth of stimulus money. But for the vast majority of India including all those migrant focus those are options phase to sound so enormous. I imagine. It's hard to even fathom phase. Three implementing vaccinations for over a billion people. Yeah so phase. Three is essentially a long run though the real challenges that we have no idea what the dance to get there will be right. I mean we can't get to face three every having reduced community transmission. Virtually to single digits. Zeros and unless there's a vaccination program Insight that would allow for actual return to normalcy face. Three is going to require that. International supply chains are mobilized to make sure that vaccines get an affordable based the vast majority of people. It's global backs nation campaign of scale. We have never tried Indians. Actually uniquely positioned as one of the big producers of Pharmaceuticals for the work and so so hopefully India's on the first trips recipients often it comes but beyond that I think there are some really deep structural issues that face trees and have to deal with this exposed. What happens in a large country in which eighty percent of the workforce is in the informal sector without any protections? Whatever it exposes. What happens when communalism and cost discrimination go ramp and because people in crisis find scapegoats and so even in the midst of a moment where we should be looking together a solidarity should be highest rates of anti Muslim violence rates of anti discrimination violence actually increasing and all of this of course leads to other face three question around the world? Because how do all the surveillance and technological measures implemented to fight phase one phase to survive into the new face but now refocused what privacy rights have be given up that London the quality of democracy when we find out if it so right? Now like most Hoffa's I have a hard time seeing past phase. One I can begin to imagine the glimmers of face to but if we really are talking about getting back to normal phase three his critical. And it's the one that we have the most time to plan for so we should be thinking hard about what we want that world look like when we finally get them. 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And they're linked up with over one hundred thousand companies right now. You could be one hundred thousand and one check it out for our listeners right now. They're offering their best discount available anywhere. Thanks Chicago get a shipping consultation and Schipol pro plan six month trial for free at go. Shipu DOT com slash explained. That's up to a seven hundred dollar value. Apparently for free at go ship dot com slash explained ship al. It's like hippo with an S. My name is shock SILCON. I live in India in Kerala that the state by leaving it south of India in coaching into near Arabian Sea. So it's a side work for India. Tourism my lead foreign tour groups in India. Of course if you're hearing any noise that is who is for years. It is his time to watch his cartoon. Means watching some of the cartoon channels in Kerala in my particular town in Arunachal which is in coaching. If we have to get food lockdown conditions permit grocery store Reuss to open with strict conditions. They are allowed to open from say. Nine o'clock to five o'clock it all depends upon how. Syria's the pandemic has put it in that area so Carola government has categorized zones into green zone or zone and red zone and all of that they have also categorized hotspots. In those places people are not allowed to go out unnecessarily no in case if we are exposed feeling any symptoms of then there are recognized Corbett thinks anders and then there are health workers who would monitor our. You are doing your car and your name and your location and your house is registered in the local authority and they will send a healthcare worker everyday to your house to see how we are doing it. If you are not a serious symptomatic patient they will call you every day to check out. Things are going. The information from the government is passed through us in various forms of Communication Systems. Foster Foley Social Media the police force of Kerala. They have an official facebook page. Where they're sending messages. And then there is what subgroup but that is all for people who have smartphone every day. The Chief Minister's Office is giving you the information at a particular time. Every evening everyone is watching that in Kerala then when we had our first a lockdown announcement curl up elise had announced it own. A public announcement system will go through every village announcing it so there are various these messages are coming through. We are all connected now. We are all affected. So let us all take at least a few months later. Sacrifice all over pleasures of socializing going out so that we can enjoy it more better in the later days professor. It sounds like careless handling this a lot better than other parts of India completely in India. Right now we have. Glaring examples are both exemplify what the rest of the world could be doing and should be doing out. The state of Kerala has arguably not just flattened ago but shattered. It was one of the earliest in India to have cases swung into action case counter state. Extremely low fatalities are even lower than might be expected and then have been witnessing other parts of the world and yet another states in north India. How we are seeing a very different response because the government's didn't do what they should have been doing. How amongst all of this Carol Manage to successfully flatten its curve to successfully implemented lockdown is unique in states and that it has since independence and even prior has had strong worker movements that led to the creation of what we think of as a social democracy within the Constitutional Framework government the communist government one. That is more in the spirit of a social democratic system. What this means is that the investments in public health systems in Carolina has been higher than the national average by a couple of points for the last seventy years data than institutional legacy asset of investments. That they can now benefit from it. But if I was going to point to a single thing it has said in the used a whole of government approach from the get go. The moment the first case was reported in Carola the chief minister can mean a state response team that coordinated eighteen different functionalities. They held daily press conferences. Some communicated with the public on a daily basis the leverage the fact that India's bureaucratic system the famous Indian administrative service but also state equivalents have outpost and representatives in every village across the country. But of course in careless kill communications and investments in the public system in that bureaucracy. The faith and the Aussie technocratic capacity of the bureaucracy was honest by the Chief Minister. So that you had all of government approach of a document one voice. So is everyone else in India looking at Carolina. Saying let's go there. That's the frustration with the Carolina. Example raiders the one hand we all might want to live in. Novi and wonder why our country's GonNa be more like that or like Carola and but it's not the kind of fix that can be done overnight. That shouldn't make us hopeless. I think there's if there's a single lesson to be learned from the Carolina examples that state governments make choices about their. They invest their resources. How much of their budget is allocated to things? Like education help social sold assists and admittedly governments especially in a country like India. Have to make hard choices between different things. They could spend their money on Carolina. Right now is evidence of what good can come. Venue choose to spend it on healthcare and as this virus becomes increasing concern in South America in Africa. Which to this point have still been largely spared. What do you think the so called? Global South can learn from India. The main thing I think is when will be that when the government speaks with one voice says the central government did in enforcing the lockdown Citizens Ville even if reluctantly even painfully will adhere to it but it requires an unequivocal endorsement Hoffa advisor public health authorities. Social distancing has not optional. It is necessary. Challenge for the global. South is different than the challenge. Gordon North in terms of enforcing lockdowns impairing their economic front. And if you have a plan in place should go simultaneously you undermine the efficacy of the hard difficult decision to make a knockdown in place not only are people more likely to break it. Not only up people more likely to grow impatient and unwilling to cooperate long but people will actually die. Because we don't have access to the food and medicines required for them to

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How Not To Diet With Michael Greger, MD

The Rich Roll Podcast

1:46:56 hr | 1 year ago

How Not To Diet With Michael Greger, MD

"The the most important decision we make is what we put in her mouth. And so if there's any decision that'd be built based on evidence and we should demand evidence only one died ever proven to reverse heart disease. The majority of patients plumpy Stein. If there's one thing you need to know number one killer men. Women Only died ever proven verse in majority of patients based so the only way that wouldn't argue for it being the defoe die for everyone is if it so dramatically. Increase your risk of killers through fifteen or something. So I said would overwhelm the heart disease benefit and instead you tend to see a benefit neutral flex cross-border. It's just the whole system is rigged kind of against us. You know the the CEOS of junk companies are sitting around trying to think of creative ways to contribute it. The childhood obesity epidemic. They need to make money for shareholders. How do you do that? You don't do that selling something that goes bad like produce that you can't brand you. WanNa snack cake. That's on the shelf right. I mean the system is set up to reward these behaviors in make people sick. That's Dr Michael Gregor and this is the retrial. Podcast ritual podcast. Everybody what's good. I'm rich roll. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. I can almost promise that today's episode is going to leave you ready to ramp up your plant based intake so to help you form a new routine. We created an online platform that going and most importantly staying plant forward easy and delicious. It's called the plan power meal planner and for just a dollar fifty a week. 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How do we separate fact from fiction? Well we can start with seeking out the experts and how about we default to the best most objective science available to arrive at the facts that live beyond dispute while this is the life's work of today's guest my friend. Dr Michael Gregor longtime listeners. Are Well acquainted with this beautiful man. One of the. Oh Gee guests on the show all the way back to episode seven and he also graced us again on our our P. One ninety nine but I can't believe it's been five years since I've talked to this treasure of a man. That's just not right so today we're going to put matters to rights a graduate of Cornell and Tufts University School of Medicine as well as a founding member and fellow of the American College of lifestyle medicine. Doctor Gregor is a globally lauded nutrition science wizard. He's the guy behind nutrition facts dot org the world's most authoritative nonprofit science based public service destination for all things nutrition health and disease prevention. He's appeared everywhere from the Dr Oz show to the coal bear report and his books. How not to die the how not to die cookbook and how not to diet. Which is the focus of today's conversation? All became instant New York Times bestsellers. And I think it's worth noting that in an effort for him to remain completely free of conflicts of interest one hundred percent of all fees and proceeds that he received from his many speaking engagements and all of his book. Sales are completely donated to charity. There's a bunch more I want to say about the good Doctor G on the conversation to come but I on the subject of making healthy eating delicious inconvenient or brought to you today by daily harvest. 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It's about how to Digest. The incredibly conflicting information were spoon-fed every day by the media and celebrities alike. And it's about separating evidence based science from confirmation bias. I should know that this was recorded. Pre-coded back in February so this is a corona virus free conversation. However if you'd like Dr Jeez take on our current situation. You are in luck as this week. Just a couple of days ago. He released a new audio book entitled how to Survive a pandemic which is all about the origins of these types of diseases. How to protect ourselves and what we must rectify to reduce the likelihood of future catastrophes. So check that out. Dr G is truly one of the most delightful relentless passionate and service minded. Humans I've ever met you guys are going to really dig this one so without further ado please meet the inimitable and amazing. Michael Gregor MD. So good to see you. It's a couple years But I think about you all the time man. You're just you're out there. You have more energy. You are more relentless than almost anybody. I've ever met it's crazy. You're just saying that you're doing how many lectures I got two hundred cities and sometimes more than one lecture per city sometimes to different cities and rain day. You know over ten months. Yeah so when people say you know yeah. I'd really like to eat better. I traveled to. Nobody travels as much as you do. I don't think I've ever met anybody who travels on. But it's just on a three year book three years so. I read a book a year. Then I'm on the road for a year but then I you know and then I got gotTa Right. Three years worth videos for nutrition vaccination right the next book so do you whiteboard that all out advance again. Know what your books are down the line and all of that so like twenty forty two or something and when do you? How do you apportion that? So you have all the videos coming out on. Nutrition facts right. You got the books you got. The lectures never home when you are home. You're on a walking desk like this work. Yeah yeah no no so people like love a video like how. How'd you do the video today? Plane as if it's like real time video a year ago literally right so I do I cream three years when the videos every three years and so you just hope and pray the Broccoli. Still Good for you next year. Because you know it's stone. Has that ever happened where the science changed and you have to pull the video. Yeah yeah I mean usually in in even stronger evidence or in the same kind of direction? But now there's you we finally have something that really clinches it. Yeah more than more than Rice. But will you are one of my very first guests on this show episode seven going all the way down then. We did a second one where there was a technical. Snafu we at some conference and we did it and it didn't record that's only happened like three or four times in seven years but you are you fell victim trend. Saco and then. The last time that we did this I think was four years ago so it seems like yesterday. Because you're in my heart I. What is the the current lecture all about? Because I know you you're constantly of for every audience or you have kind of lockdown thing. You do every year. Yeah so so now so it used to a new talk every year. Because I was I was traveling now. Traveling. You know after the new book so I just have the new book talk and so for new audiences. They the last book talk but for audiences have already seen it die. Talk give the how not to diet the weight loss talk. I do now so this is the new. I actually liked the old one. I mean so my the last dog how not to die talks with my favorite. Todd says more humor than any other. I mean so My preference like perfectly memorized. Like I can like you know. Think about my grocery list while I'm giving like right and put it so but and and the the know I'm I'm reading off a node on a podium before and just want to get really good at it like a stand up comedian you gotta D- You tape your special retire the material all over but in your case this material it has a longer shelf though. This stuff doesn't doesn't necessarily she and it was crazy so how not to die is selling better now than it did. The month after release by two thousand sixteen sold seen over three quarter of a million copies right about one hundred percent of all proceeds go to charity bed charity for all my books. Yeah we're talking a lot of money but yeah yeah this last one. I donate more than a million dollars this year. Wow very cool and I would suspect that that a big part of that other than just being compassionate in your heart is to basically rebut the argument. That you're conflicted you have. You're selling a book. So you're you're you're anchored in this position and no matter what the evidence says. You've got to tow this line because you're financially incentivized right. Although there's still the ideological conflicts of interest even even people that aren't necessarily profiting of the work. I mean they still may be wedded to some idea. I'm so it doesn't completely divorce me from the rhyme you know concern over bias But but yeah. It was so much the the corrosive crop tion of of commercial influences. Well let me talk about that. Then I mean medicine in general but nutrition in particular where you know this. I mean the the confirmation bias is just so extreme in no other field if I ever seen such a thing. It's Pretty Bananas Right now. I feel like there's a mushroom cloud of information like if you're in the twitter sphere. It's just it's insane The silo you know kind of tribal wars that are going on right now are so emotional and acerbic. It's quite toxic. So how do you? I mean you post your stuff. I've noticed like you don't engage in any of that you kind of to stay above the fray. Yeah no that. Yeah and that was a conscious decision to be like what this is. All the science that I could find on this and so there's unless until the only you'll notice on nutrition facts the only comments I respond to is what about this study or you know what about this study you know NBA because it's very possible. Maybe I missed that stuff. I mean you know. We got a huge researched out now. But I WANNA make sure that that I put that into the into the calculus when I came out with what I consider the best available balance of evidence. And so it's like this is the sign so there's really nothing anyone can say you know I mean and and and it's really not like you know most of my videos. I really hard to be like this. Not I have no opinion on this. Here's the science. Make up your own mind. I mean it convince me to do X. Y. and Z. But if you're not convinced by the evidence wait till you know drugs but you must. You must get the criticism that you're Cherry picking studies. You have to make a decision about what studies you're going to highlight in these videos right. So that's why that's why it takes me forever to write the radio because I have to make sure so. Not just some new study. We're that new. Study exists in the context of every other study that's been published ever right. I mean so. Many studies give published a year. Well I mean so just like the gym it so well so in the in obesity just just in the field of obesity. There's Over one hundred thousand studies every so that's like so it's like. I go to sleep and I'm already like you know I'm way behind I. I'm working on it but talk about that in the new book. I know you practice his so depressing to look at the medicine literature because I just realized Oh. I'm going to that horrible things going to happen to me that this is the one blind spot. That's yeah yeah I mean I just. I find myself so much less productive when I'm unconscious that So Thousand Studies a year on obesity alone. Hundred thousand one hundred thousand. Oh my God three this figure out. What's what's worth looking at. And what's really worth exploring and digging into and I would imagine deconstructing at times to figure out. What's you know what what holds up to your standards dozen so there was over so we have over one hundred research. Volunteers at schirn through. That's how we can get through tens of thousands states every year just because we have all these retired docs. They're just sitting around and just have a hobby of helped me out basically and so anyone time. We have nearly two hundred active of volunteers. And so I mean we can just we can just go through so much and have access to have people in Khyber Major Library anywhere. Who will pull it any study from any you know so I have someone that will just go to the h large medical library in the world. And pull any Goldstein this online so I have access to everything and just an incredibly privileged position to be able to you know but that assuming the literature all says one thing right the reason why this new obesity book. The weight loss book was such a bear. The hardest thing I've ever taken on in my life was because it's incredibly conflicting and so if one hundred stay one things under one hundred say say nothing he to say. Well we sing. What is it about the way they did? The studies the populations the exclusion criteria. What was it that you could arrive at such despair conclusions using very similar kind of methods and that simple questions like skip breakfast or not skip breakfast and exercise before after a meal or I mean these like really like these are thousand article research questions. There's a thousand articles on injured. Just like wait a second. This is two pages of the book. Maybe maybe it's a little sidebar and it's not eat breakfast and I get alive fast. I get a lot to do that. That's that's what everyone's like okay. I don't care just tell me. Your name I know you'd be my guru right and that the anyone mean that's the tensest of what I want you know. That's the problem is people. Just just follow what someone says. And as if we were born with this knowledge I mean we when it comes to something as life and death important as what feed yourself and your family then. If there's anything we should any decision we should make best based on evidence should be something like that. If you're online buying a toaster then the random opinions of strangers may actually be really useful. Like oh I like this one okay but but when I was when I was in practice and so we can rising you know. Why are you eating? This particular atom on at the gym told me to eat this. I'm like really I mean. You're the checkout Aisle magazine. Is the reason that you're feeding your kids. I mean you realize that what we is the number one cause of death and disability the united. I mean the most important decision we make is what we put in our mouth. Until if there's any decision that should be built based on evidence and we should demand evidence and not just a citation but show me the evidence. I WanNa see it for myself to makes you didn't take it context. I mean this this and so that's but you and I both know well that even the most well intentioned consumer who begins to explore this whether online or whatever they're going to find conflicting information out there and it appears to have equal merit. It's like it's like when you turn on the news and there's ten people yelling at each other at the same time even if one of them is completely looney tunes it appears that there are standing on equal footing. Right so you know you can find studies that will support whatever perspective or confirmation buys that you have and it becomes very difficult for that. Well meaning you know intelligent person to separate you know the chaff from you know the cream when it comes to this. This is where you come in. But even then it's like all right well you're sifting through thousands and thousands of these studies and realizing this is complicated and even even good science seems to conflict. You know how do you make heads or tails of that I? I can't judge somebody who's like you know Dr Gregor just like what is it telling him. Give me the you know. It's like that and there's lots of problems with the peer reviewed medical literature. You know it's like that I know Winston Churchill after a said it but attributed to Winston Churchill. You know democracy worst form of government except for all the others and it's the same thing as like the peer reviewed scientific literature. It's the best we have. I mean it's the worst we have except for all the others I mean. What else can we do? But abide by what's been you know. Published in in the measure blood. There's lots of problems with industry bias funding facts and I and so. That's why you really need first thing I do when I look at a study. Who paid for the study? Where's it coming from just so you can read it with that? Lens? Doesn't necessarily bad studies so be a good study. Still be a good study but you want to read it with that. You know you want to take it with extra special grain of salt and look at the materials and methods really make sure they didn't create this. They didn't produce the stay in a way to get some desired result. They were actually coming into a really. You know look to learn something and despite the fact that you've read countless thousands of these studies you know you've been on board with the whole food plant based Diet for decades at this point. Do you ever come across the study. That contravenes some long. Hell truth that you've held like if you ever had to mature update your thoughts on things like how how is that. Yeah no look I mean anyone who's saying the same thing about nutrition that they're saying few years ago obviously has been keeping track literature. I mean the reason I can do. I could do new videos every day. Forever is just because there's this tremendous wealth of information out there now usually just kind of nibbling at the edges like after how not to die game out realized that. Oh and I was telling people all you gotTa Toast Your Walnuts and sesame season just makes you kitchen smell so wonderful. That's great and they taste wonderful then. This paper came out talked about these. These advanced education in prices like toxins found in high fat high protein. Foods exposed a high dry heat. Temperatures traditionally frankfurters and stuff and chicken mcnuggets. But knots you put them at those temperatures to create these nasty. Now I tell people to eat the raw nuts but that's the nice thing about a video whereas I could update I suppose the book which is already out but reprints we can get it but it's so little things like these are not good but I mean there you can find studies all the time saying you know Bacon. Butter is good for you. Just like the tobacco Lobby would come literally with piles of studies to these congressional hearings. Say This is not. This is not the research that says smoking is neutral. This is saying smoking is good for you. It helped with Parkinson's disease and ulcer of class and lot of this is true because it's immunosuppressive and survey autoimmune disease. You smoke kill your immune system here. Your autumn disease gets better rebels. He's it's been but these are legit studies showing smoking beneficial now. Of course that's not the best available balance of evidence because you're going to death among cancer but you can but those studies exist and you can cherry pick the mom and that's why that's why every single every every day video comes out. I send video to every single principal investigator of every article eyesight and be like. Here's your research you know In hoax that one will be like you. You you misinterpreted or whatever I can immediately. You know kind of right so when you when you get like. What is your response when somebody criticizes you says? He says he's a plant based guys always going to be a plant based guy. He's got his own confirmation bias. This is a guy who's really just an animal rights activists who's who shrouded himself in a in a medical rock. I mean it's like it's like you know some some You know pulmonologist saying year. Just an anti anti-cigarette guy. You're only reason you're telling people not to smoke is because you have a well known record of you're against cigarettes ten years ago before the study comes out. Oh a new study comes out his view Mr Anti cigarettes. They're it again. I mean the science the science and the charges of Cherry picking for example. There's only one died ever proven to reverse heart disease majority of patients plant-based died number. One killer of men and women like shouldn't that'd be the default into proven otherwise only one so it's hard to chair when there's only one cherry like there's no other now in the future. Maybe some new diet. We'll be shown to but I mean until that happens and this happens over and over again with multiple sclerosis and Crohn's disease on down the list. Nothing's been shown to work better. And there's just. I mean you know so right I mean listen you said it but the fact that heart disease basically kills more people than anything else and this is the one protocol that actually will not only prevent it but reverse it if you have it like why are we even exploring anything. Further and the amazing. It's so controversial. And the fact that can also help prevent arrest reverse other leading killers type two diabetes and high blood pressure. We seem to make the case for plumpy just simply overwhelming at this point right. I mean if that's right if there's one thing you need to know number one killer. Men and women only ever proven a person in the majority of patients. Plant-based died so the only way that wouldn't argue for being the deal for everyone is if so dramatically increase your risk of killers through fifteen or something so I said would overwhelmed heart disease benefit and instead you just see you tend to see benefit neutral flexible right. Well you've got to be thrilled to see this movement this way of eating and living kind of explode over recent years. I mean never before in your career you know. Have we seen such a crazy adoption? Rate WITH SUPER EXCITING. But there's also a lot of pushback now and we have the sort of other diets that are rising to the surface and challenging for their moment in the sun and it makes me realize or appreciate. Just how emotional all of this is i. It's not it's really not an information. Were as much as it is a psychological more. You know what I mean like because you've spent decades putting information out. I mean nobody puts out more information about this than you do. And if somebody's resistant to that that's their choice but I feel like the battle really needs to be waged on how to win hearts and minds in not just the minds but the hearts you know what I mean like. What is what I'm interested in? You know whether you have thought about this with respect to the newest book it's like weight loss like everybody wants to lose weight right but often it's not it's not the information it's the implementation of the information and and what gets in the way of people taking that information putting it into action has to do with their own psychological makeup in the emotional landscape and the the the social construct in which they live their lives. You know some of these. You know amazing. Plant based nutrition health conscious. Now you're now attract thousands of right. I mean it's just amazing. The number one question I have heard from was like how did you come across? Obviously didn't learn about in medical school. None of us did like how did you can? And most frequently the answer I get is because patient taught them like they've had these patients forever known their whole families and they've had diabetes and you know they're just trying to slow the rate at which they go blind kidney function and lower limbs and then all of a sudden they come in their twenty pounds lighter. They're they're they need to their dramatically over medicated. All the sudden have to pull back on the drugs and the doctor's like what happened and the patient says. Oh I saw folks over knives or you know game changes and then all the sudden and the back the mind doctor saying I got like two thousand patients just like you what is going on. And that's so and so during its upside Dow Gut and so if you trust me crazy and so I'm like wait a second. I've I've got a stack. This big of peer reviewed scientific randomized controlled trials proving reversal. These diseases yet. It was one little anecdote. One person comes to you and then all of a sudden but but it's but it's that human connection we're like storied creatures like all the data in the world. You know you know it'll you know. Some people are open to that but other people just need to see in front of their face or and so I know so. That's that's why I think the more popular gets the easier. Be when they see their friends and family the transformations then click that. And of course I'll be in the background banging my head against the wall. Saying hello this seventies right Pentagon reverse heart in the seventies. How many people have died since then needlessly over one hundred thousand people every year heart disease in the United States alone that much suffering. It should anger people right. I mean the the the reaction to someone who just doesn't have to go through open heart surgery anymore isn't shouldn't be relief. Oh my God get my chest cracked open and now I get live long happy life and see my grandkids grow up should be like how do why didn't anyone tell. Mispropriety outrage outrage. Yeah of these two hundred cities that you visit all the speeches that you give. How many of them are at medical schools or hospitals because obviously like the way to get to. The root of this system is to educate medical students and create a better ecosystem around care. You train the trainers. That's really what I'm doing now is mostly talking to professional audiences on talking tonight at a medical center the and lots of medical schools now but and that's how she started out. My kind of speaking career is going in fact that was my goal is speed every single mills school every two years to hit every single new. Grad coming out and have a whole new generation of Docs learning this. But I realized like that's too slow like they're still going to be in training for another five years than they've got to get out and then they. I mean so. People are dying now when it comes to save simple side effect free solutions like stop smoking. Eat Healthier you. Don't need your doctor to tell you to do that. We can take this directly to the people with this kind of democratization of information. How available and so I you know. So then that's how nutrition facts are born for. Forget the doctors you know. Let them come around. Eventually we got to write. People are dying right now. People need to know and then of course it's up to you. It's your body. Your choice wanted go smoke. Cigarettes go bungee jumping. Do whatever you want but you know there are at least you should be educated about the predictable conscious of your actions other than your unbridled enthusiasm for this one of the things. That's that that I like about you and that's interesting about you is that you really strive to stay. Stand outside of Dogma. And you're not telling people what to do. You're just you're you're you're basically in a very objective way presenting the information and allowing people to do with it as they will. Yeah I mean that's always been really important to me is and look and for whatever reason but there's no judgment but I I mean I have the background that enabled me to do this work and to be who I am. I mean there are people struggling with all sorts of things that you don't know about in the fact that they're still eating you know crap on their way home from work. I mean no idea. What's going on their lives? They lead them to whatever but should they have the opportunity to really you know whether it's a health scare whatever to be like. I really need to clean my act. At least there should be a place they can go. We're here's the information. This is what I wish. I learned in medical school and do it on nutrition. I mean how many hours videos do you have on there. We have thousands thousand over two thousand videos now. Basically you go to the site and you could just search whatever food or whatever ailments and you've got covered. Nobody's what what's new video can be. There's always stuff I'm constantly. I mean there's just always knew you know and so I do it. Two ways one through. I run through all the topics alphabetically. Anyone's keeping real close attention. We'll be like oh so. The olive oil came after the nuts which came after the but and then I just go through and read all the every issue every single English nutrition journal the World. See because there may be topics. I don't even know to look up. There's this mean. All sorts of new hormones receptors is just working on the plane on this CD. Thirty six receptor wall blew my mind because the come sidetracked on that sounds like an it. Sounds like airplane to me like a C. One thirty mazing in terms of taking it to the people which you've been doing the real needle mover. I think has been this slew of documentaries. That have come out over. The last May not get the most recent of which is of course game changers and you were the Scientific Technical Advisor on that movie right. So what did that look like? What was your involvement? Well I mean just I mean certainly for To Take that first point when I go around speaking asked people in these four our book signing lines did. It's what the hell is forecast overnight. These these documentaries are now just really. Yeah yeah tremendous oversized effect so if people their funders interested in getting this movement off the off the ground. I think that's a decent way to go. Well they're probably good investments. These movies do very well. You know so. So yes so I was approached by James Wilkes God seven years ago when he was just an idea and and you know interview me for the for the film some like on some highway in Santa Rosa or something this noise. He's like little whatever every Little Cam. Quarter kind of thing and hotel and it was just an idea but you can't say no to any opportunity right so poor still kicking himself for not being enforced overnight because he was taking some time off or whatever you just gotta be everything and hope something else and and so so then he actually started getting momentum for the film and and invited me back. It's all right. We through all that footage waves crappy fish but now we actually have real cameras and you know all right so then we do another thing and actually happened once or twice more. Okay we really have money now. We have like a fancy so I would like and then of course I get cut out completely from the film which is fine. I wouldn't replace a second of it. I think so perfect but hopefully it'll be in some DVD extra or something down the road. But I'm so but the role I could play instead was to factor film because I have an army. I mean that's what we do. You're the perfect person for that. And we actually behind the scene and I open invitation to anyone writing a book Producing a film. Tv show anything. Come to me. I'll do it for free. Our whole team. I mean it's so important to me that we don't say ridiculous stuff and people throw the baby out with the bathwater mean. The movement has said just ridiculous. Crazy stuff exaggerated stuff. I mean why I mean. It doesn't help the movement to do that because it imperils the credibility if you have an asked if we have to exaggerate anything we should use the industry estimates for everything the most low ball you know. Oh Yeah it's only fifteen hundred gallons per pound of beef. Whatever water according to the national cattlemen's Beef Association or whatever. I mean that's what I mean. It boggles the mind so yeah that's so critical that so a lot of the books that are written up and as long as as long as we will do it as long as they're willing to actually right so you're you're really vetting all the science that there was no exaggerations and that everything that was said in every scene kind of you know met. The Metro scientific in fact was so not just sticking to the consensus but like on the conservative side of anything. Less not see anything. The science is so strong. We don't need to exaggerate. We don't need to go anywhere. But beyond the solid ground. Right and the whole erectile dysfunction sequence was your brainchild. I was going to walk us through that. Well so we need so. I had the data I had the science but again you need to make the signs relatable you know I could show a graph a table. Amazing table with US statistical significance. That alone would give you interaction. But that's that's not going to move visual sunny cinematic. It's not cinematic so they kept asking. How do we make it? How do we make it visual? How do we make it alive? And so so ISOBEL. Let's do the lab tests the cloudiness of fat after eating a meal in the serum? And I knew just from reading the literature on on the blood flow on feel function. Had these ridges scan machines the name like ridges skin? It's gotTA BE GOOD. And and so and so now it's actually being done legit why. I mean in a in a real study in fact I think by US filled. Dr Ashfield is now as the funding is actually GonNa put it to the desk and really tightly controlled randomized fashion with a cadre of folks but again you just they wanted to show the example to anyway so latest book how not to Diet. How dare you write a book about weight loss? I can't believe this right so how not to die is really about sort of tackling preventing reversing the you know. The top ailmets chronic ailments that people suffer from but of course obesity is ailment in and of itself where contributor to a variety of ailments right so without sort of confronting obesity head on. And you're not really getting you know you're you're not gonNA move the needle for people right so you gotta you gotTa get to lose weight. Yeah Yeah so how not to die? Fifteen leading cause of death one through fifteen chapter on east talking through diamond plan preventing resting reversing. So there's a type. Two Diabetes Chapter obviously the but never took obesity on directly and and it really required. Its own so that mean. Yeah so you have to then turn your focus into how to help people lose weight right like what is the science of weight loss and I would imagine you know you had to confront like a lot of things that we sort of assume or take for granted that perhaps maybe didn't turn out to be true like like Oh calorie in calorie out or three meals a day or what you know what there's so much conventional wisdom around like. Here's how you lose weight. Abc so by immersing yourself in all of this research like what surprised you the most. Or what did you discover that? Perhaps you didn't expect. Yeah so both ways. Some of the conventional wisdom actually has real scientific basis and only recently does ever real scientific basis so for years. We've just been saying talking out of our but but now oh that's actually true. We should breakfast like a king lunch like a prince dental like a popper thing. Some of this were drink water before meal very common kind of thing. Oh now we actually have signs. It really does show beneficial effects but I think the biggest the biggest challenge for me just because this is not my field. I mean I. I just know what I learned med school. And this concept that calories calorie right account from one source is just as fattening Kelly from any other source and this is kind of a trope broadcast by the food industry to come absolve itself of culpability. But it's just not true. One hundred calories of chickpeas has a different effect on body weight and under calories of chicken or chick litz based on absorption based on fiber content based on also. And even if you have the same amount even academy still not be carried depends when you eat it in what context how fast you eat it all so I mean so. I mean that just kind of exploded like my concepts of what we had learned in in in Med school. So like this chronobiology have a whole chapter on trial circling this. Because this is. I'd never heard anything about this. So what I'd known what we learn about in medical training is called Karnal Therapeutics. Where if you give chemotherapy at the right time of day you actually fewer side effects and it's more effective than giving it a different time of day. Same dose same drug. I'm which which fascinating but I hadn't taken it the to the logical conclusion. What about Chronicle Prevention might exercise? And and you know asleep patterns and meal patterns also play a role if it has such a dramatic effect and indeed calories eaten in the morning or less. Fattening food tonight fewer calories after sundown. The Better. So they do these days. How well it's because so for example In the morning your body has to to make glycogen stores for for the rest of the day and in make instead of just using the energy If you if you take the little the chains of sugars and starches and and make them like in your muscles and liver. That's an engine tens of process and then you break it back down to us later on and so the fact that you're using energy to basically get the energy right back is kind of energy-intensive on this one of the small reasons why eating in the morning when you're when your body's noses got a whole day ahead of it where you you have that the glycogen building signal earlier today but a lot of the chronobiology stuff we just don't know in terms of what exactly's going on everything from body temperature to testosterone to cortisol levels everything Goes on this while daily second in their seasonal cycles. We'd lost the weight. You put on the kind of winter months for for the for the holidays may have how far the earth from crazy the rotation. I'm so that was that me. Put people in two thousand calories. He's axiom through calories one meal breakfast or one meal at supper. The army did this in one and the evening group. Same Calories Gains Weight and the breakfasts group loses. We turn crazy and then that really opened my okay. Well now anything's possible. So then really. Kinda dug deep and came up. Just you know. What are the criteria for weight loss? What would what would the OPTUM? We'd lost that. Look like from the ground up just because originally I'm not to die. It was going to be a chapter in each of the latest Diet trends on just going through. What's a science fair on each by realized the books out of date before it even comes out part of the US News and World Report Panel embree week at dozens of new diets? I've never heard about every year that we have to go through and just realized we'll wait a second this. That's not the right. It's like whack a mole so instead less just here's the criteria against which you can look at any future diet and see you kinda wear would fall among this range and then and then the second half of the book is regardless away you. We'd there are kind of tips and tricks that can and tweaks that can get you the water thing and focusing on nutritional density in caloric dilution. I mean that's part of a good a weight loss. A weight loss techniques but like the water water preloading. So if you drink two cups of water before eating Walker you'll gain less weight than I mean so I mean so it's regardless of what you eat the whole second half and the hope is people won't just Kinda jump to the second half in the Oxley. Do a safe sustainable nutritious healthy diet but in terms of the foods to eat though hearkens back to the previous book and it kind of orients around the daily doesn't it ended up end up that way be based on those criteria like WanNa to be fiber rich and you know low added sugar fat and you know you know bought a rich and all these in the same you know vegetables and on down the list and that was the that was the you the criticism. We got from daily. The daily doesn't APP that we released as a million downloads and there's two camps of criticism. One is oh my gosh too much food. I can eat it all on which to my all my God. I can't make sure you get all of that. Aspirational and you can make a game and see how many can get do good one day. Try BETTER THE NEXT DAY. And that was actually. I'm hoping to you know after you check tougher boxers only so much room for Pepperoni Pizza. The end of the day. It's kind of. It's kind of eat more approach. But it's really hoping to kind of push out some of the less healthy options but the other group of criticisms came in and says not enough calories. Look I'm training? There's no way I'm GONNA get enough calories eating this. I was like well. This is the minimum. You can eat more food. I'm not say all you can eat this. I just want people to hit this but then I realized well wait a second. Oh too much food. Too few calories that sounds like a good weight loss and the fact that these are some of the healthy foods on the planet is a good bonuses. Well right did you come across some interesting research on intermittent fascinating because that seems to be the thing that a lot of people are talking about and thinking about a practicing right now and I've had a couple people on the podcast speak to it. That's the biggest chapter is the vast gender so much information on. I remember looking fasting because there's been a common interest for years people. Ask me about it and anytime I only want to say. I don't know once ever even if the most esoteric question the world. I want to the next time someone asks me that. I'm GonNa know an answer to it. And so people cast me about fasting and juice no data and so. That's why if there's if there's if there's a condition or food that you can't find an interest VACs or they'll one reason is probably because there's just no good data out there. It's not like I'm trying to. It's just like we don't know And so but just in. The last few years have been an explosion of research into amid fasting water. Only fast thing you know five to twenty five five time restricted feeding all these and so tremendous literature and what was interesting about the investing literature. Well so in terms of investing no benefit in terms of compliance or lean mass conservation or loss compared to canoes Clark restriction and the longest largest studies today shows increasing cholesterol For people that have the same Clark doing alternate day Modified fasting and so I would encourage people not to do it or at least cholesterol checked But the time restricted feeding where you try to narrow. You're eating window to twelve hours or less so you fast at least half the day. That's this is one of the research areas where there was diametrically opposed stump. Study so it's great for you other studies show. It's terrible for you has all these negative metabolic consequences and so it was my job to like what is going on here and it turns out. It's timing early versus late. So Wendy break the fast so your your window right so if your window is late you get the negative biological consequences of eating at night on and shifting your later in the day and so people that skip breakfast had these negative metabolic effects of time restricted feeding whereas people that did early time restricted feeding not only got the the chronicle biological benefits of shifting their cowards towards the beginning of the day they also got the feeding benefits And so that really the that. That's that's one of the things in the book to actually change the way my family eats. Yeah you just rocked me with that because I do it where I needed night. If you don't if you miss any meal should be. It should be you suffering breakfast. Breakfast is called break fast. For a reason I mean and wow yeah and and that actually may be one of the reason that the seventh day adventist. Vegetarians live longest living population in the world. Right Okinawa Japanese with the number two. And they're done they now they're eating. Kfc It's really only one blues on that continues to this day. It's in Loma Linda. California the seventh day adventist visitors longest living formerly studied population in the world. But may one of the reasons maybe because they practice this early time restricted feeding often skipping supper of the teachings of the Church? Are you know two meals? A day and You know make lunch. The biggest mule the day has been put to the test but Given all this short term data yeah. This is very interesting. I be no. That'll be the next book how not to age. I'll look deepen. Is it starting January? Twenty five one. That'll be out December twenty two. What's the book after that I think it's GonNa be hard to die from cancer for cancer survivors. Unfortunately you know advice people with cancer diagnosis. Get as he whatever you want or just keep weight on whatever terrible advice. I'm a now. We actually have some decent data on cancer survival. Not just prevent. I mean so how not to die how to prevent ask what if you already have cancer due to slow down. Stop reverse so that'll that'll probably next and then we're GONNA do one mental health. How not to age? That's a that's a good one. I just had David Sinclair in here. The other day. Great Test I got Dan. Beaten are coming back here tomorrow. Small about the Daiichi stuff. That's super interesting. I mean I think the work that David is doing. Obviously that's in the genetic field. It's not nutrition per se. But I think there's so much emerging science that's happening right. They're pretty fascinating you know. In fact there was this. One seminal paper. That really inspired me to write the whole book and that was basically the big former got together. The top researchers in the world through them to the some luxury resort somewhere and so sinclair. Was there. Everybody anyone in the field got paid enough money to all come together to list the most potentially the most drug -able longevity pathways in the body like we. WanNa make longevity drug Howard. We do it right so they all sat down. They came up with these five biochemical pathways for longevity had looked at these. I said wait a second. Every single one of these we can modify with. Diet talked about like MT and one and all the wait a second we do you know so. I was like all this like. That's the whole book one chapter in each we can. Yeah I'm so I'm really excited. You very cool so I imagine you probably get this from time to time. Dr Gregor Love the new book. But I gotTa Tell You I've been on the Kito Diet. I've lost all this weight. I feel good or among the carnivore diet. I'm on this died on that diet so You know like you can't tell me that your ways better than my way right and I mean I can say. Let's your lab work or let me see your arteries. Let me see your calcium score. Let see I mean. I'll just mean anything. That's that's a sort of common retort from the low car carnivore camp that these. The blood work is misleading. Because it doesn't necessarily mean what it says well if you have signs to support that. But that's not what I mean. The science shows. I mean I mean so. There's you know. The presidential advisory from the American Heart Association came out. You know for to be costs of these crazy myths out there that they have to write these papers saying guess as bad for you yes co Carlsbad view and and yes. Ldl's is leaning predictor of our disease. I mean you know things that have been settled science for decades but in the Internet age. Flat earthers we have to come out and explicitly explicitly say right. And so I mean. Yeah so and we don't just have short-term biomarkers we have ours populations people fall nights even even trending in that direction living significantly shorter lives. It is interesting that the carnivore diet has has caught the attention of so many people seem to be like like a trending thing right now. This is this. Is this like an Internet troll were diet? It'd be it was just like the right but I mean look you can imagine some food intolerance whether it's select disease or anything. The ultimate donation died right and so people go on limitation Diet. Me Typically put someone on like water sweet potatoes and Tapioca three things. No one's allergic to and then all of a sudden join feel better. They more energy. All of a sudden they're chronic indigestion. Goes Away Okay and then you add back what was it. What was it about your diet that was causing a problem And so the same thing you're just basically excluding and so if you did have some kind of intolerance well then you know but obviously then you'd WanNa add healthy foods back into your diet to find out what it is and so you can live healthy. Live one of the things that I've been contending with in the last couple years. I mean I've been playing bass for thirteen years. Now is the fact that now there is this. Proliferation of amazing tasted tasting plant based analogs to every food imaginable. Right and it all tastes great. And I'll find myself indulging in that a little bit more than I should and kind of selling the line to myself like. Oh it's it's plant based it's cool you know and knowing of course isn't the healthiest. Dr Gregor Staley does it. And then follow that up with with another layer of denial. Which is that. Because of Ashley that I can kind of outrun it burn burn it off and as long as I'm trim and feel good that I'm not I'm not necessarily paying the same told and somebody who is I know that's not true and and so there's always like yeah I'm plant based but I can. I can certainly iterating evolving. You know to do better than that. I'm doing no and bright is the process and it's harder I mean but I mean what I see when I see an ad from Burger King bragging that it's hundred zero percent b. They're bragging that there's no beef in their new burger. I mean that just speaks to me to the tremendous surge in interest blend basing courses. And they've been I'm not I don't be so when I say right but nutritionally right if you look at these things often wore sodium use coconut oil base may have as much or more saturated fatty sometimes. So these are right now. Healthy foods step in the right direction steppingstone foods like you know you know it. Not everyone can go. You Know Kim overnight but Transition Foods to get people Indirection meeting healthier. So I see a tremendously kind of optimistic social phenomenon but my concern that people will stop there. People will just kind of switch over their milkshakes. Their cheeseburgers milkshakes and then stole there and not capture the full benefits of puppies. Even yeah. It's never been easier to to to you can go. You can get your. You can go to Burger King and fries and a burger and then go get coconut ice cream and knock yourself out and then wonder how come on. Not Losing Weight Fatter I I moved to Philly recently. There are multiple the donut shops like. Oh which all Vegan donut shop. Do you want to go? You know I mean I mean that's right and so right I mean you can. You can have terrible terrible Vegan Diet. I know that if I'm eating whole food plant based and I'm adhering to that pretty strictly that. I don't really have to like the idea of needing to Diet I. It just doesn't it just I don't have to worry about that right. So how do you to die how not I know? That's tricky right. How Diet not as iota would say would have retitled so knowing that than it is. It is how not to diet and yet it is a program that extends beyond just eat these foods like you have these strategies and things to kind of accelerate that aspect of it right and because I wanted to mean so much kind of nutritional noise nonsense out there I just wanted there to finally be not only in evidence based die book but you know I say. Thousands of studies digging up every possible. You know tip trick tweet. Technique prevent to celebrate loss body fat to give people every possible vange and Kinda build them optimal weight loss solution from the ground up. Basically my criteria is if I mean if it's been proven to cause weight loss and it's not. I mean they had a low bar but like chapter on which cigarettes are best to smoke and we and we know nicotine is proven Know so I say look. We can eat nicotine containing foods and maybe get some benefits but there was something actually cut out like there was a liquorice. Root Chapter. I took out 'cause the therapeutic index of you could get too much licorice really easily and hurt yourself There was some base level of safety but beyond that if it cause weight loss in a randomized control trial. It's in the book and I wanted to give people every possible. Kind of advanced and sets are twenty one tweaks thing to add onto their daily dozen. Now they've got like forty check marks every day you know you really wanted to go all out so if somebody comes to you and listen. I'm fifty sixty pounds overweight. I gotta I gotTa drop this way. My life hangs in the balance. Like how do you kick start? The person like walk me through like if you had you know five ten minutes to speak to this person. How do you kind of get them sorted? And on the way? Yeah so give them right information right so yeah so You know I could Share them the APP doctors daily dozen free APP. Obviously everything I do Everything's I produce available free and then Tom. About something. Twin Day kickstart program From Museum. Physicists me for responsible medicine I of every month totally free bunch of different languages. Hundreds of thousands of people have done it. You do is kind of social media group together and you know you get daily advice tips and things like that again just to stick with it long enough. You can see the benefits yourself. I'm then it's no longer some doctor wagging their finger at you because the internal motivation to stick with it because you feel so much buried digestion is better sleeps better. You energies better. Oh and you're losing weight and you know without right about it. What are some of the crazier turn around stories that you've heard or experienced? Oh what the the most exciting things is diseases for which there's nothing in the literature that suggests that the possible so people come to me. Say I've Hush Mos thyroiditis hypothyroidism and I tell them you're going to be on hormone replacement your thyroid. I'll scarred up it's over and we can help prevent it But you know and they say no I had it. I diagnosed. I was on this for years and then I went plant and all of a sudden. I'm Dr Medication. Here's my TSA. Choose my lab values And I tell them your doctor has to write you up as a case study. I WANNA see. This is new video about it. I mean so you know someone comes to me with ankylosing spondylitis one of these. You know horrible inflammatory autoimmune diseases. I'm like look we have great date on krones and Multiple Sclerosis and And also class and other similar rheumatoid arthritis similar flint or. I'm not surprised that helps with your disease. But it hasn't been anything published yet and so quick. We gotta get you. We have to. You know it doesn't exist in the scientific world and less publishing purview scientific literature and so I encourage him to get out there and actually there was just a case. Here as ankylosing spondylitis. I'm excited to those. I mean you expect the You I'd no longer have diabetes and heart disease. I mean all these things and you know teary eyed and you know I mean it's out of the wheelchair to walking again. It's they have their lives back. Never future again that you know old hat. That's why I've been seeing for years. But what some of these new someone says. Some you know some disease. I look up and help with that too and he said wait a second. The little snake oily. Panacea right. I mean that's that's a red flag when someone says my thing can help with X. Y. and Z. But realize look. We're talking about a diet. That improves health. Every one of our organs needs blood flow to get rid of waste products get oxygen nutrients and so the no wonder that a heart healthy diet is a brain. Healthy Diet is a liberal healthy diet as kidney healthy diet and a plant based diet is a whole new plant based diet is basically synonymous with an anti inflammatory diet and since inflammation plays rolled so many chronic diseases. No wonder anti-inflammatory is going to help. Kind of across the board with all these things. So there's these kind of underlying mechanisms by which you can imagine and look even someone last A. What does it work for disease? You Know Z. That you know and I say well I don't know but healthy I can only help right. I mean look and probably people with the disease D. Z. Probably still die of heart. Disease Number One right so for for example breast cancer postmenopausal breast cancer number one killer of women with older women with breast cancer heart disease still kills them more than breast cancer and so whether or not a Hobo blemished eye reverses breast cancer. You're still you're still more likely to have and we know we can reverse so of course everyone with breast cancer. Of course everyone should be on this healthy diet and then if there side benefits will great I mean you know as we sing with prostate cancer. Some other conditions. Well when you look at like what you like what you said I mean what's killing people. Heart Disease Stroke Obesity. You know in terms of brain health. Alzheimer's is exploding right now. And to the extent that you're eating in a way that's improving arterial function reducing inflammation the downstream domino impact on. That has all kinds of positive consequences. Even if it doesn't help it helps even doesn't help that particular thing. I mean like that meam of what if it turned out that that global warming is a hoax. We improved the planet for no reason array. I mean like we'll to stopping smoking. Help this disease. I don't know but it's probably a good idea to stop smoking. Just what is it day in your personal life with food like? How do you make it work? Well well again the now travel. I deal with the airports and all of that. Yeah airport food courts yet. Well look. It's easier now. You can get like brown rice in an airport. I mean that's like the fast casual places I know things you never expect to before and look there's you know I've grown better. You know if I can land some place and find a whole foods and hop barn and grab some food and you know first few days I have snacks and then slowly leads all gone. You know what I've been doing recently is i. We tell the organizers you gotTa Bring Me Food you know I mean there's only so many microwave a rider. There's only so many sweet potato I played with the crazy writer. Fan halen knowing no no EMINEM sperry is. It's all right and so right and so look I need ya typically. I don't even have time even if I could. I mean even if this healthy food around here I am so the California. I can get healthy food. But I don't have time I mean it's just rare days a year at home. Oh now then once. I have control over my love excited. You know. That's a beautiful thing. I I mean I just. This is my first day of this this few weeks stent and so. I'm feeling the leaving home. Thing is hard to get up this morning but then. I can eat this beautiful. Oh my and it's like it's like a it's like a it's like a game like how healthy can I get? I mean it's really and I do food delivery like whole foods delivery and then didn't united tempted to buy junk is not in front of you grab so like everything. I eat so my house just as healthy food. And so if you get hungry enough you're gonNA Eaten Apple. I mean there's nothing. You will eventually eat that apple and so with only healthy stuff I can. I can build up my healthy. Immune system always make John unhealthy choice. The the most convenient right. Oh Yeah I could go out in in in a Philadelphia winter and bike some place to get something to bike to the donut shop but so much easier when I have a fridge full yummy food and do you prepare stuff ahead of time. I do a lot of batch cooking. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I'm particularly now. I'm doing this pre biotic mix. I talked about my when installing the improving your microbiome for the new big microbiome chapter in the book And just learning. How again how important microbiome is an where the most concentrated source of products? I discovered sorghum for the first time discovering all these weird millet that I had no idea that. Have poorly digested starch. And so they are fed to animals but poor that just starts is exactly what we want because his brother digested in our small intestine makes it down tour lower intestine where are good. Got Bugs can have a bounty of prebiotics and then has all those knock on benefits and so that's the kind of thing where I just bought a huge amount. And just you know Tupperware in the fridge and take out one every day since it's over and you know so. I always have always have my intact grains and a whole bunch of wonderful black lentils honest matter just getting Greens in the house. What else did you learn about the gut? The Gut bio in prepping for this is now we have these interventional trust. So we've always known you you can so vice back a few years ago. It was a black hole almost no pun intended. Where because most God bugs are actually uncomfortable in laboratory conditions like we can't growth outside of the colon we don't know what the gas or you don't know and so it blocked by Leeann. No idea was going on there until we had genetic fingerprinting techniques and also for the first time we'd be like Oh okay. We actually track people's microbiome overtime compare people's different backgrounds and we can correlate diseases with with different bugs in our God and Change. People's diets changed microbiome. See the beneficial or but that's the problem. If you improve someone's diet all of a sudden you give people lots of whole grains and leg gums being split chickpeas and lentils lots of prebiotics. They get these beneficial changes in their microbiome also and they have amazing health benefits. Yeah but you just fed them healthy food. How do we know what microbiome has anything to do with it? That's where fecal transplants come along right. Then we can prove it's the microbiome because we can take those got bugs and put it into somebody who's continuously the crappy diet and see if we can get those same metabolic benefits and that's what we're saying. So we're seeing. Someone gets a fecal transplant for someone who's overweight also start packing on pounds eating the same food or that's crazy. Mental health changes all sorts of crazy things and we can prove it's the now what happens is of course it's temporary because right you got bugs but then you keep starving them by any fiber and then they die away but you see initially those same benefits. Of course you got those. Go UP BUGS. Or THEY'RE GONNA die off bud but so so what went from from correlation science. Now we have a conversation signs and it's just fascinating that we can transfer the benefits of healthy diet so so I mean so the the black market rich role stool you could. The I mean. Yeah start selling that Shit Jacqueline. I mean who wouldn't pay it is it is fascinating. I mean the links to cravings as well like nature a Gut Flora impacts the foods that you gravy. Yeah Yeah Yeah and it. Also I think is is because it's so complex that it's rife for confusion and people kind of making claims about what you shouldn't you shouldn't do that. We don't necessarily have the ability to really up at this point. It particularly this kind of personalized nutrition like people. All the time are sending me things. My I sent my stool sample in to this company and gave me back thing and said I should be eating. This and I shouldn't be eating this. We don't have that does not same thing with DNA testing people. Get back there their genome and say oh well I. I'm whatever I shouldn't be eating the X. Y. and Z. We don't have that kind of but is it true we should be eating fermented foods and we should be eating nutritionally. A variety of nutritionally dense foods to be kind of seating that that gut flora with a diversity of of of bacteria. So it's the three rights prebiotics probiotics in polyphenols which of these kind of tend to be brightly colored pigments fruits and vegetables. These are the three three things that benefit of good microbiome and you could use all three of them or just two of them. I mean the problem with pro box. Is You take them? And then they just die off. You don't continue to eat healthy. And so if you just have like antibiotic associated diarrhea or something wipe out you. Go Good Bucks then. I see a therapeutic role of something I is but otherwise. Taking probiotics is useless. Because they'll just die off if you put them in the same environment that didn't grow good books in the first place putting in some good acid office and they're just Africa's not feeding the office because good. Bugs are by definition fiber feeders. Resistant starch eaters. These are I mean. That's that's what makes good gut bunks grow. And so what we really need is we just need to feed our gut. Bugs Pre box and people are like oh eight so many fruits and vegetables but must realize vegetables are almost all water like you know Fruits or like eighty water or some respectable ninety ninety five percent water their water and vegetable form. Not actually a lot of fiber. You can actually have a pretty deficient fiber deficient diet. If you not including grains and lay gums some of these Dryer Foods. injured daily. Wow that's good to know because I just thought well as long as I'm eating a lot of high fiber foods like I'm I'm basically taking care of my prebiotic needs all right but it's actually not so. The fruits and vegetables are not high high fiber foods compared to what ninety nine percent of the population needs. But if you really trying to build seventy grams today eighty grams or one hundred twenty grams. We just how we probably evolved. You know based on human copyrights fossilized feces. Then if you do the math you people don't even close. So you know orangish really healthy you know Hope you gotta like sixty. Which is you know. Averaged about fifteen Minimums about thirty and so getting sixty. But I mean that's and that's a remarkably healthy diet to shoot up there and then these population studies where they have no essentially no heart disease. No Diabetes no breast cancer no sub Saharan Africa half century ago. They were getting the triple digit fiber Concessionary Day and so part of that benefit may actually have been the microbiome and that that was the benefit of the fiber as opposed to You know drop a once. Cholesterol right more will be revealed. Though there's there's there's got to be like lots of crazy studies being performed right now. No there are Vegan. Fecal transplants studies. What can we you give someone a you know you know You know they do it through tubes. I do it the capsules I know. You just don't WanNa burp after that. You know that kind of thing you know Can Dr Robin Shaq She DC Dc physician who specializes in in the microbiome. And she was she was on the show a long time ago but she was predicting not only fecal transplants becoming like a booming business but actual spas like high end. Spas where you could go and have your your artisanal. Want them to eat for the week before you show what exactly ever have other right. That's that's great. Well let's let's shift gears. I want to talk about sitting for a minute and you did some interesting stuff here in the book around that. I know you're we're sitting sitting unless you're on an airplane or in a car. Yeah Yeah I'm still. Yes all day and applying typically but Yeah so there's this myth sittings smoking not by any stretch machination at least ten times more deadly to smoke than to said but prolonged sitting defined typically over six hours a day is associated with increased mortality e. Even if you then go out to the gym and work out hard for an hour a day after work and so it does. That helps but doesn't completely counterbalance the fact that you're sitting all day and we think a lot of that has to do with the Venus stasis the the coagulate -bility of your blood the fact that you're not actually having movement of blood vein your lower legs effects into feel function and effects. You're kind of systemic arterial tree. Bud even something like you know bobbing your knee. Up Down has been shown to completely eliminate this effect. That's wild and so and they have someone just Bob Wendy up and down versus the other and you can measure the differences What's going on their legs? And that is what's correlated with this increased you know cardiovascular disease morbidity mortality so there's a way so even if your truck driver even if you're stuck inside all day down there things you can do on so yeah there's all sorts of. I go through all the various different little bars and things can put on your desk and which ones work which ones are just fads and so there are ways you can count amounts effect but you can do standing desk walking desk. I love getting back to my walking dusk I to the thing. Wasn't there a study that you looked at where they put people on. Basically you know a a standardized amount of calories every day and said you can exercise this much and there was a difference between some of them lost weight. Some of them didn't and it came down to how much they were sitting. And then there was this realization that there are certain people that are walking around all the time. He's casually throughout the day and they were having amazing benefits that the people who were just eating the same and working out the same who were sitting Moore weren't able to realize these neat benefits read these non exercise through my so. So what so? What they realized. Is that We typically you know this whole calories in calories out and you ask people what matters and people actually either say they're the same word calories out matters more and that's not true. We have almost total control of calories. In fact we can eat nothing although in calories out typical exercise casual exerciser. That's the only five percent of calories out most of our calories out our our engine tests brains wild animals movement. Is their number one calories out for us. It's our brains. We could lie down in bed chained to a bed all day. Still Burn over thousand cars the most of into. That's why it's so hard outrun. A bad died because you know even a moderately moderately obese person moderately intensity exercise for an hour burns. Three hundred and fifty calories mean most snacks drinks processed foods. Have like seventy Arkansas seventy calories. A minutes of five minutes eating just wipe out a whole our exercise. And that's why it's so difficult but what they learn because And so there's a there's a you know like a sixty percents licensed just like you know Basal Metabolic activity keeping your breathing. Your heart pumping your brain going And then there's a small sliver unless you're a mountain climber and army ranger something really doing intense exercise. You just have a small fraction of voluntary says but then there's this non-exercise From agenda which is fidgeting which is Just moving around walking around standing rather than sitting and so the now we have. These accelerometers can put on people and so really revolutionized our understanding of where these calories are going. And why you put you on the same same calorie diet the same enforced exercise schedule and some people lose vastly more weight than others and most of that had to do as not like some people just You know had metabolic slowing the biochemical thing. Going on. No was the amount of The of this this the skin non You the typical kind of exercise where you're setting out a half an hour to do any kind of exercise. It was just that they're just moving around more during the day. And so how can we enforce that? Well being a standing desk you have pastoral muscles otherwise you clap your floor anything you can do to get you to just move yourself more. You know bouncing your news that kind of stuff. I mean that dovetails pretty perfectly with the blue zones findings right that the people that live so long and live so healthy are people that are just kind of in constant low-grade motion throughout the day. They're not to Jim because they're alive. It's just my we were built to move on and so and so I mean that's what some of that sitting data suggests the. What about the person who has struggled to lose weight their whole life and no matter what they do they just continue to gain or they? Can't you know they stay at a certain point is there? Is there Validity to this being hormonal or an endocrine problem hear people say like oh it's my genetic makeup or a slow metabolism so there are some conditions so for example hypothyroidism We're the does slow down your metabolism by about fifteen percent and indeed it's just It's harder for them to lose weight. But there's no such thing as someone who's Basically obesity resistant. There used to be people claim no matter what. Even if I don't eat anything I gain weight or don't lose weight and so scientists Lachmann lab. And when you do that everybody everybody. Everybody with is never been a single case. They lose weight in fact exactly as they should in terms of body fat some of them and this is where this comes from start retaining water such that they lose no weight after not eating for four days and so the bathroom scale says having lost a pound but if you actually do scans Texas can actually see what's going on. So they're they're losing body fat exactly as predicted but they're retaining all this water and then finally when the happens all of a sudden they plunged down and match exactly onto the curve but it can take days to reach and she can imagine people who are like. I'm starving myself for literally days. Not Losing a pound. There's something wrong with me. No you're actually losing body fat. Every single day is just your scale. Doesn't tell you the you know the compartments. You're losing that way from. Wow that's interesting because I feel like that. That does come up quite a bit. People will say just. There's something different about my genetic makeup that makes me immune from these positive experiences. That other people have so they just have enough time. One of the things that I hear quite frequently is rich. I've been listening to you. I read your book Blah Blah Blah. Whatever I saw the movies I went plant based for a while. And now I'm I'm pretty much there but I went back to some fish and a little bit a little bit of meat here and there so I'm kind of ninety percent in your direction like is that good like it. How do you how does how does the evidence in the science breakdown in terms of somebody who is predominantly plant based I guess the word plant based I mean. How do you define that? If you're plant based it doesn't mean you're plant perfect right one hundred percent What is the difference between somebody who is adhering to your optimal protocol versus the person who is indulging in a little bit of meat and dairy products? On the side. I think the body has remarkable ability to bounce back from insults. In fact that's what this kind of heart disease. Reversal data shows Is that you can have. You can eat a lifetime of this horrible food. And then even when the average age is like sixty some of these reversals studies And even after a lifetime of that clean out is the body was just waiting for you to stop Tacky yardage with these foods and you could rapidly reversal and you get more reversal. The more compliance you get these complaints wasn't perfect most of these studies And so people were eating those kind of ninety percent type diets in seeing the remarkable benefits. There's studying the world that suggests someone who's like a social smoker picks up a few cigarettes at a party once a year is going to have any greater lung cancer risk than than someone doesn't smoke at all. Of course we tell people don't smoke at all because we're afraid this Kinda Kinda lead down that path and some people are easier. Ironically more compliant with strict rules black and white rule. So if you're like there's no cheese in the house versus a little. Jesus I'm just going to have a little bit The concern I think with a lot of these place. Physicians who are like absolutely strict zero. Don't you the in any of this? It's not that they think is not that the science supports. We need that level of compliance to get the benefits but the concern is. You won't is that you'll slip back down your rent. So it's a psychological you know it's easier for alcoholic. Complete Teetotaler is trust me. I mean a couple of observations on that I mean I certainly fall into that camp like I have to have our strict rules around this stuff because if I you know partake a little bit that just opens the door for more. I just know myself well enough to know like hey if I could have a little bit of cheese here and here and there that I could maintain that for a little while but six months later. They're they're probably be a lot more cheese happening like that would be. That would be the harm. It wouldn't be that cheese once that wouldn't it said it triggers it it basically keeps that craving alive rather than allowing me to transcend and it doesn't allow your taste buds to adapt and we are taste. Buds BEEN SO DENTED. By this deadened. By the hyper salty hybrid. Sweet hyper fatty foods. Such that natural foods don't taste any good and so then you feel like some kind of aesthetic Montgomery just eating but give it a few weeks and all of a sudden the soup salted to taste weeks ago. We have these great studies. So it's actually to. Do you prefer Lower Salt? Sue and the same thing happens with you know but look the ripest speech in the world takes our after bowl of fruit loops like natural food but all the sudden you get to a point. Where if you start if you get rid of all that crap then all of a sudden you know Corn on the cob no butter no salt taste delicious like natural healthy. Hopefully then you get the best of both worlds wait. A second tastes delicious and you get to live longer. That plant based eating is all about but you may never get there. If you you know. Have a little cheese here. A little teaser. You maintain the pal like that then and then then okay. I'm going to be good eat. That's out in this doesn't tell these like cardboard because it doesn't have the same kind of Yeah Right. I. I know that to be true because I've experienced that in my life but I think people hearing that think it's bullshit like they can't believe they can't believe that that's true like that sounds great but there's no way you know it's the face and the other observation. I have about. This is that I don't think people are very good objective. They're not objective about about what they're truly doing like when they say having a little bit of this or I have a moderate amount of this I think their their perception of that moderation is is generally in my experience completely out of whack. No in fact. There's a great study that I talked about in the new book. Where in this is. The reason why moderation white food industry loves moderation. They asked people what they thought. A moderate amount of chocolate would be moderate amount of process modern mounted they go through all these foods read and what was the definition of moderate. Exactly how much they themselves were eating no matter how much they're reading that was defined as moderate based on their own into their even chocolate bar everyday that's moderate intake and so two in the food industry says every in moderation. That's that's basically giving people licensed to do exactly what they were doing before because they all everyone thinks that they're eating moderate amounts of bad food and it goes back to the psychology of all of this. It isn't about the information it's about. It's about people's emotional baggage around all of this stuff. I really think that that is the biggest barrier. Like when somebody says I can't lose weight or what. There's there's a whole you know package there that needs to be really deconstructed. In order to get that person you know acclimated towards a new way of living Anita and and I have a chapter in the book talking about the psychological we have these glitches right. So let's talk about in psychology the cult of what the hell effect. That's the one cooking. Eat the whole bag because I already screwed up. Which makes absolutely no sense. She's takes wasting so. I made one step away from what my plan so I'm just going to go. That doesn't makes absolutely no sense. In fact you eat that one then. You definitely shouldn't eat the whole. But but our psychology goes in the absolute wrong direction and the same thing. Then there's the flipside is making progress towards the goal actually gives people license the losing weight. One Week I'm is correlated with the next week but just the understanding of it knowing that. That's a glitch. The hope is that you can catch yourself right and so you know I find myself after some four our book signing you know the jet lag to heck you know staring at whatever goodies are in my hotel minibar and have this. My first reaction is like I deserve this like Oh my God been what I went today but then I just what the hell by the self licensing and I said no what I deserve course is to be healthy. Yeah I think I think. Momentum is underrated too once people get a little practice with this and they're starting to see even the smallest amount of result positive result than it really like. Enforces drive to to keep going? And it's almost like an insurance policy or a barrier against those kind of slips and I think mystical about that and in that does argue towards the more. If you'RE GONNA try it go all in as opposed to the eighty ninety percent right if you're going to try like a free sample right. That's why he's the tell my patients right. Try like if you look. You can eat anything for few weeks. You mean nothing review as I mean. Let's let's try. Let's go all in just very and because people can't stomach the thought of I'm never gonNA another pepperoni pizza. The rest of my life like unthinkable. But no no no just a couple of weeks and we go right back to. You didn't whatever you want to give it a try. I'm in the but when the hope is that they go all in. Start to feel the benefits right. So they're less painful periods of their their chronic migraines went to whatever it is such that then have the internal motivation even if they don't take advantage and they do slip back to their old ways they know at least in the back of the mind they know how good they could feel at any time if they just moved in that direction. But you don't know how good you're gonNA feel to give it a try. What changes would you make to our system of healthcare? If you were in charge I mean. Listen nobody goes into medicine to be a vehicle for for diagnosis and prescription. But the system is set up to create a dynamic that forces medical practitioners into this kind of practice. That you know isn't really necessarily I would imagine what they thought they were signing up for. Yeah I mean it's really the impact if you look at mental health statistics of Practices these days particularly in the United States. This is not what we kinda signed up for because most of what comes into door by eighty percent and primary care are these chronic diseases for which we have very little to offer patients than traditional medical model. Right we can slow down the rate at which you go blind you lose your kidney function we can slow down the rate at which you know your arteries clog off by prescribing these drugs. I'm going to have a little time. That we give these prescriptions but instead of giving fully informed consent that will. Here's your other options that I don't have time to tell you about in our may work better and less side effects but I mean the the system is set up to kind of reward bad behavior the most profitable doctor visit in north. America is blood pressure check Doctors loved everybody loves it. Be Bill for it. They come in here on blueberry mitigation that come in every and then you tweak the drug a little bit and they come back the easiest fit it in a few minutes you get bill for it And the most common primary care visit and for a condition that need not happen at all lifestyle disease high blood pressure lifestyle disease but then entire sector of the field would be gone for both big Pharma and and big medicine. I mean no one benefits from people eating healthy. I mean if you go down the list like the junk food entity named one industry that would that would benefit from people eating healthier. And you say well. What about the health insurance industry don't they benefit from people because they have to pay for it all they get a slice of the pie and the bigger the Pie? The bigger this lies. I mean I you know when I when I get to talk to these healthcare executives at these conferences. First of all those say well you know they're only going to be on my insurance for a few years ago. Switch people switch insurance so frequently. Why am I going to prevent their diabetes and have some other company benefit from my preventing their diabetes? And it's the I mean it's just so expensive. And then they get their cut and the more expensive is bigger the cut. And it's just the whole system is rigged kind of against us. The CEOS of junk food companies aren't sitting around trying to think of creative ways to contribute to the childhood obesity epidemic. They just need to make money for their shareholders. How do you that you don't do that? Selling something that goes bad like produce that you can't brand make you WANNA snap kick? That's this on the shelf right. I mean I mean the system is set up to to you know reward. These behaviors that make people sick. Yeah so how do we change the incentivisation so that we get more Robert House and Michelle McQueen Atkins who are who have created practices where they have follow up accountability and they're they're providing that kind of extra level of care to help people make these lifestyle shifts like there has to be an economic structure. That that that you know makes it attractive for young doctors to enter into this so I mean it's the reimbursement but that's a you know the famous quote saying that you know he thought it was the research but knows all about reimbursement approved back in one thousand ninety right decades ago you could reverse arts number one killer and hundreds of thousands of people continued to die every year needlessly because it's the lifestyle purchase isn't reimbursed and so yes some people can fight against the buck the trend and find creative ways to these shared medical visits where you can bill insurance you There's actually no technical maximum for the number of of people you can get. You can get thirty people in Rome and you bill insurance for each of those thirty people and give the same little speech they give for a group Diabetics Group of people with obesity And so that's one of the kind of ways that within the system should be able to to get reimbursed. But yeah I mean we just need to change the incentives like why do do us tax payer subsidized by the billions. The the sugar industry the Corn Syrup Industry the make cheap livestock fever dollar menu burgers wire. Why why are we paying a quarter billion dollars to the SORGE MINISTRY? I'm buying sorghum now because I love it but I didn't even know about it a few months ago right. No it's all fed to livestock. And so I mean now you can argue. We should be subject. The government should be subsiding foods out. But if you're going to subsidize how about subsidizing fruits and vegetables making them cheaper even free to because then they'll have all sorts of knock on benefits in terms of the lower costs across the board taking those subsidies and channeling them into improving healthcare or creating those incentives with the controversy is who's going to pay for healthcare not what the fundamental healthcare is going to be right. I think orange did create a reimbursable program. Absolutely paid right. Pay For reimbursed by Medicare There's two programs now him at Princeton and And I speak at hospitalized. Speed orange programs across the country. That's often my into a medical system To kind of promote the program saying that this option exists. Yeah speaking pretty predic- in your your entry point of this whole thing begins with Frickin. Yeah Yeah Amazing. Right and not a doctor. People always thinking doctorate now. He's an engineer. Came from the outside diagnosed with With serious heart disease in his early forties and was and was basically told the Goldman died. There's nothing we can do about it. I'm back then. We didn't have drugs for I mean couldn't even put anybody on anything and people. Just give worship I. And you die sees reversible. No but then he looked around the world. Found these populating. He's a data guy just went and so there's population of the world that don't suffer from epidemic disease like it's unknown people just don't have heart attacks in rural China sub Saharan Africa. We what was it about these populations figured oh maybe it's cluster all and started experimenting around how we can lower people. Cholesterol came plant based died and reversed. You know a heart disease by the thousands but back then. We didn't have an geography. We didn't have this ability to visualize inside what the we're looking like and so it's a clinical diagnosis. They had angina. They could add such bad heart. Disease couldn't walk up the steps but you just had to trust that the patient had engine and all of a sudden they go on to play and all of a sudden they're they're running marathons and the response and the Communities Universe at heart disease first place if you had heart disease you wouldn't be running marathons well because all the sudden would orange brought to the table because we could prove with some quantitative angiography. Oh we can actually see. The arteries open up get bigger improve blood flow reversal proof in black and white puffs and some of those prestigious medical journal in the world and one of those people that pretty converse their heart disease was Francis Gregor my grandmother. Who you know in wheelchair after so many bypass surgeries. Basically run on the plumbing. And there she was and saw about sixty minutes. Pretty good was featured on sixty minutes somehow made the cross country track one of his earliest patients. He's predictions biography. And she you know. They wielder in and she walked out with a few weeks. She was walking ten miles. A day went on to live living thirty one years. They aged ninety six after medical density. Sixty five and that's what I mean now as a kid. This has all happened when I was I. I mean I just well yeah. Do you go to the doctor better. That's what doctors do right little. Did I know what revolution back then? The thought disease versus completely revolutionary. Only later in life that I realized what had happened when my grandma was part of I was pretty kind of perceived as a quack and his time. Well he was. He was putting doctors ashamed because he knew the science. I'm because he had he'd read read the primary literature demolished. There's actually some old youtube of his debates demolish opponents because they thought they knew what they're talking about. Of course they just doctors who weren't trying to anything about nutrition and so I I mean. We just kind of untouchable when when when who's actually presenting the science but they didn't believe his results whose results were to miraculous and he couldn't prove it beyond these amazing patient testimonials but how far does that really go. It doesn't until we have good data to back it up and he inspired everything that you've done trigger. That's why I started nutrition facts. That's why I wrote how not to die. That's why all the proceeds are received from all my books donate to charity. I just want to do what everyone for. Everyone's family pretty can did for my fam right. Well let's round this down Maybe Provide a few starting points for somebody. That's listening to this. This this information is totally new to that person. The overweight the ready for a change was the first thing they do. Go to your local public library and grab how not to Diet. Check it out and nutrition fact. All my work is free there. No ads no corporate sponsor strictly non-commercial anything just put up as a public service is a Labor of love is a tribute to my grandma. I like how you mentioned the library. Another bookstore free books are free literally in your neighborhood. They're just sitting there. But if you had to tell them look I'm I'm staring at my next meal. Like what should I focus on? What am I what? What are what are a couple of foods or like thumbnail? You know rules that I can wrap my head around. Yeah so the seventeen criteria which makes a for the first part of the book like being rich and fiber water rich vegetables things like that that through calorie density mechanisms and improving microbiome health etc. Can you know can achieve that tidy without calorie restriction or portion control? I mean that's the that's the magic of plant based eating as opposed to traditional weight. Loss approach is that you know people are told to eat ad Lib meeting. Eat as much as one. And that's because you know you take people put people on plant based Diet and you slash a thousand cows out of the daily die cut their Clark and take in have they don't notice because the I mean these crazy a healthy enough that you just could some Fuji. Impossible to over two thousand calories of Strawberries. Forty four cups sharp. You couldn't fit them all in your stomach like know you know. That's just you know me I go listen I I love you I you. I can go out and run really far distances but I aspire to your level you know what I mean. Whatever you got I want it and you've been so inspiring to me in my journey and I just I love the impact that you're having on the world and and it's it's massive. It's no small thing you've devoted your life to this cause and you've changed so many other people's lives and it's to be commended It's an honor to talk to you today. But you know what I hear beyond. Just the documentaries. I heard you on the ritual podcasts. And that's why changed my life here. Good come back again. Sometimes you're going to speak at a hospital tonight. That's right where am I? What's the pitch you don't even know what state you're in? I just looked down my thoughts in the airport. What what's the pitch at the hospital tonight? WE'RE GONNA do weight loss. We're going to wait us. Good all right off Ron. Let's get you out here piece mind-blowing stuff. Am I right because enjoyed that? If you have any questions or feedback for Dr g you can shoot him his way on Instagram at Michael Gregor MD and at nutrition underscore facts on twitter pickup pound to diet and his newest audio book how to survive pandemic which are of course all linked up in the show notes on the episode page at Rich Role Dot Com. If you'd like to support our work here on the show. Subscribe rate and comment on it on Apple podcasts on spotify and on Youtube share the show or your favorite episodes with friends or on social media. 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1621: Maybe Variety isn't the Spice of Life by Courtney Carver of Be More With Less on Productivity Hacks

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1621: Maybe Variety isn't the Spice of Life by Courtney Carver of Be More With Less on Productivity Hacks

"Real quick I recommend listening to this show on spotify. Regan listen to all of your favorite artists and podcast in one place for free without prima count. Spotify has a huge catalog of podcasts. On every imaginable topic posy can follow your favorite podcast so you never miss an episode. Premium users can download episodes to listen to offline wherever and whenever and easily share what. You're listening to with your friends on instagram. So if you haven't done so already be sure to download the spotify APP search for optimal living daily on spotify or browse podcasts. In the Your Library Tab also make sure to follow me so you never miss an episode of optimal living daily. This is optimal living daily episodes. Sixteen twenty one may be variety. Isn't the spice of life by Corny carver of be more the last DOT com? And I'm just a molecule personal narrator reading to every day including holidays. Don't keep us intro. Nice and short. So let's get right to it as we optimize your life. Maybe variety M- isn't the spice of life by Gordon Carver of be more less. Dot Com according to consumer reports between nineteen seventy five and two thousand eight. The number of products in the average supermarket swelled from an average of eight thousand nine hundred. Forty eight to almost forty seven thousand. There are fourteen different kinds of cheerios. When walking down the cereal at the grocery stores overwhelming while people go hungry in our cities and countries. Something is broken. I'm not saying that fewer cereal choices is the solution to hunger but we weren't so weighed down with a meaningless decisions. We make every day. Perhaps we'd have the clarity for choices that make a difference in the world instead of mastering productivity with the goal of making even more decisions every day. What if we eliminated some of the unnecessary choices we make every day? We are fortunate to have the freedom to choose. But according to Barry Schwartz author of the paradox of choice. Why more is less? We aren't happier because of it. Schwartz says quote when people have no choice. Life is almost unbearable. As a number of available choices increases as it has in our consumer culture the Autonomy Control and liberation this variety brings are powerful and positive but as a number of choices keeps growing native aspects of having a multitude of options begin to appear as a number of choices grows further the negatives escalate until we become overloaded at this point choice. No longer liberates but debilitates and quote if we were making fewer decisions. Can we make better decisions? I've experimented with living and dressing less and the answer I've discovered as have many others is a resounding yes when we create boundaries around things that are distracting us from what really matters our level of engagement in the things we actually care about becomes boundless how to eliminate thousands of meaningless decisions. She's fewer items in the grocery store. The typical American grocery store offers more than forty seven thousand items to choose from. We could spend hours walking up and down. Aisles taunted by product placements deciphering labels or we could have a list of our favorite ingredients mostly real food and only purchasing create meals with them. Try The capsule kitchen challenge and save time money and mental energy. Pretend the Internet is broken. Board Plan Internet Game Lost Google. It lonely fine friends on facebook. The Internet has endless options and choices that trick us into believing that a workable solution is only a click away then another and another the problem is we don't get to discover the solutions that come from being bored lost M- only and many other things. Creativity and clarity is squashed with too many answers. Tell your family that the Internet is broken on Sundays. Or whatever day works for you and take a digital break. Take back your inbox email crease. A PLETHORA OF DECISIONS TO BE MADE RESPOND. Delete his send read all the way through. Say Yes say no and all of the questions ideas that arrived during the day. Occupy your brain while there are systems out there to alleviate e mail stress. The best way to take control is to only open your inbox one two three times a day off distracting notifications in manage email. On your time. Ask for help. Is it of tormenting yourself trying to make a decision or worse avoiding the decision altogether because you are too scared or overwhelmed to choose asked someone for help sometimes letting someone else weigh in as great clarity to your decision undo your to do list? The reason we don't know how to prioritize is because there's so much to do that we can't identify how we want to spend our time. Passions and interests are buried somewhere on page three of our to do. `less these never ending lists are winning. They never get done only rewritten. All that time consumed with listing the things to do and feeling bad about the things that were left undone contributes to the lack of time. You have to do them instead. Keep a master. Listen evernote and before you go to sleep. Pull one two three items that you'll do tomorrow when he finished them revisit the list or go for a walk. Consider THAT ON. Kids are pretty awesome to violin lessons for. Focus Team Sports for assistance tutoring sessions for perfection and the activities to round out. Our kids goes on and on. We are creating resumes for children for a life. They probably don't want kids and parents are exhausted. Pick one activity instead of all the activities. Is that a making kids well rounded. Let's make them loved and loving created decision free closet. How many decisions day are fashion? Based when mornings are consumed which using outfits and weekends at the Mall Looking for deals and trends. We become a to fashion. Even when we aren't very fashionable critic capsule wardrobe and choose from a very small selection seasonally simplifying things carries a life that requires fewer choices. When we give things up and let things go we might miss out on some of it but we won't care because we will be so happy that we are surrounded by an immersed her favorite things and that we are making decisions that offer greater benefit than the perfect cereal for breakfast. 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Have this effect of making things feel slower. Like if he were to visit a new city every day for a week. Tough during these times right now during the pandemic but just as an example chooses already look back after a few days and be like malls in that city only two days ago. It feels like a week ago who we've all had that experience before that variety help slow down time. Cornea saying is more along the lines of decisions and decision fatigue cleaning up all of that opens up room to do more things like experiencing first moments. If we like so I think they go hand in hand in a way. Just some thoughts for you but I'll leave it there for today. We're having a great day. I'll be back tomorrow. With a pulse. From Ati Redzic. Where optimal life awaits.

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Opinion of Trump, Lockdowns, & Exposing How Dems Abused FISA | Rand Paul Interview

The Rubin Report

28:42 min | 1 year ago

Opinion of Trump, Lockdowns, & Exposing How Dems Abused FISA | Rand Paul Interview

"Dave Ruben. This is the Rubin report. Quick Reminder everybody to subscribe to our channel and Click that little bell so you get delivered our videos and more importantly joining me. Today is the junior senator from. Kentucky and the fiercest defender of liberty that we have in the United States government Senator Rand Paul. I'm thrilled. You're finally joining us today. But on your show all right so let's dive in. I think we're just going to split this interview. I know you've got about a half hour. We'RE GONNA split it into two parts. Let's spend the first half talking about this amendment that you just proposed. Can you just talk a little bit about why you did it? What's going on with surveillance? I sense people are seriously confused about the whole. Flynn case what the Obama Administration may or may not have known so if you could just kind of do a one oh one to clean up some of that. That would be great. Is the foreign intelligence surveillance court and it was set up in the seventies basically to investigate spy on survey all foreigners and possible terrorist. It was never intended to be used against political candidate candidates or to investigate American political campaigns or American political figures. But as everybody knows this is the secret court that they used to go after president trump in two thousand sixteen in the summer and the fall and I think this was a horrendous abuse of power and using a secret court to go after an American I think is a is a travesty of Justice. So this is a court the lax constitutional protections. When you go to a regular report a constitutional order was established by Article. Three of the Constitution. You get older. That's one obvious thing you get. But you also get the fourth amendment. The Fourth Amendment says that the search your house or your phone or any of these things. Let's go to a judge and they have to say that there's probable cause that you committed a crime. It's A. It's a fairly high standard but it's the constitutional standard in the visor core. They go do it and they say well. You have to have probable cause that we think you are associated with foreign government. Says what they doing carb as they said. Oh we see you've talked to the Russians. And he said well yeah I told the CIA. You know run into Russians. I do business in these think tanks and I told the CIA and they know that I've talked to the Russians before and drawn to give them information they discount all that live with ice accord and then what began this whole trump investigation but my point lot of Republicans. A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES. Lot of libertarians are up said. How do you fix it? One way of doing it is to try to make the Pfizer court system more like a constitutional court so add protections in the scheme of things. But here's my point. I don't think it's possible to make it constitutional. They notify you that they're investigating use secret. You don't get a lawyer. Some of the reforms to give you a friend. Amicus somebody a friend of the court that argues free but they still don't tell you've been accused of thinks you don't really do wrecked a lawyer to direct director defense and so. I don't think it fixes the system. So my amendment would simply say this the visor or really isn't constitutional. American so let's exempt Americans from it and let's use it only on foreigners is an overall. It's called for an indulgence work. Why don't we go after foreigners with it and people say well what if what if there really was a spine and political campaign? What would you do? Well use the constitution. Go to a judge asked for a warrant to search person or does of arson and judges do grab things like that evidence. You'd also have to made bill of rights the fourth amendment. That's where I'm or but unfortunately I'm in the minority up here. I think that would win with your crowd. Watching probably didn't have enough votes in the Senate to win. Yeah well I assure you you're doing just fine in the majority on my audience and and we've got some work to do there. So can you just clarify a little bit? It seems that sort of right leaning twitter. Let's call it right now. He's saying that this stuff really went up the chain of command and it's now that Biden and or Obama themselves actually knew about it and we're we're instigating some of this stuff. What's the actual evidence at this point? Well with regard to General Flynn and his unmasking. I think it goes at least up to Joe Biden Joe Biden. We now have documents that were declassified by Rick Grenell that show the Joe Biden requested the unmasking of General Flynn. What does that mean? They get like a national security adviser warrant to listen to the phone call of the Russian ambassador. I can understand that. We spot a masters as buying a expert goes on around the world but if that ambassador is talking to a person who's elected government or part of the administration like General. Flynn supposed to say. Oh no he's talking to American. We're not supposed to listen or listen. We're not supposed to unmask. That person was a prominent personal out of it. Will no you by your voice and you may won't introduce yourself by saying Mr Master General. Flynn so it's kind of. It's hard to really completely mask. But here's the point. You're only supposed to unmask that person's there's a national security reason so they're plotting to attack the US you'd say well that's reasonable. You unmask them to try to stop block with the cussing policy. And the person's the national security adviser there will be absolutely no reason other than a politically motivated. So this is politically motivated than it becomes illegal surveillance illegal eavesdropping and remember. We have this impeachment trial over them. Saying someone in government used government who after a political opponent terms out what they did to General? Flynn sounds exactly like that. They abuse government. They used surveillance to go after their political opponent. Are you worried for for a limited government guy? You don't want the administrative state to be too big. It's like you can get in the weeds on all of this stuff but in many ways this is what you've spent your whole life fighting that the whole system has just gotten so big and crazy at this point that even if you tell people what's true and we have all the facts in front of us. That sort of the ship has sailed on on raining in the things that I think you and I and most of my audience are worried about. Yes and no. I think if you were as your audience obviously it's probably a very limited government audience but even if you're asking general audience so for example if I ask everybody in Kentucky about whether or not a secret or you don't get a lawyer should investigate political campaigns others polls at seventy five percent for trump Adam trump's pretty popular my stage. It doesn't hurt so much. Really get trump out of it but the problem is people get. They won't vote on principle and idea so I didn't get any democratic votes on this only got eleven repugnant. Own Democrats even though many of them process to think advise and it's too much power and shouldn't be investigating Americans. It wouldn't vote for because they saw it as a vote. Rebuking visor over trump and so they saw it as a political bow. And I guess I don't look at it this way. I lose a lot of time. I'm I'm and I'm used to losing and votes in the Senate and I think most of in this is where we do have some ability so we pass out a sheet of prominent tweets. That went out from senators each each week on Wednesday and all my office does the she and they all complain. Because we'll put out something in my tweet. Oh of gotten thirty thousand retweets. And then we'll put out senator so and so and they got six so one of the things they see is that the liberty movement has reached well beyond them and they fear the electric. These people are afraid of elections afraid of meat or credit conservatives. Because they're afraid someday someone's GonNa wake up and challenge them in the primary and that's what has to happen the Democrats. It's sort of like news. Democrats don't care at all the deficit and they'll tell you they want to spend more money. Honest about Republicans. Say they're against debt? Say they're spending but they're also most of them big government. Republicans vote lockstep with Democrats when people ask. Whose fault is it Republican or Democrat. I Say Yeah. It's really parties fall but you know we could give up and just trying to protect ourselves but you know. I think if we give up the view good voices year. Go Away then really. I think it goes much quicker toward socialism. He goes much quicker towards indebtedness and big governments have to be some voices the needs to be more the newer people up here. I think frankly better than the ones that have been here a long time. So I have good conversations with Senator Braun Senator Rick Scott from Florida and who I think are open to you know is amendment Michaeli under with me on the vase amendment also For ECOMMERCE businesses shipping in two days or less is the new standard as a growing business. How can we keep up? Introducing Shipu your businesses new secret weapon. Ship is the only shipping software for growing businesses. That you can start today. Setup in minutes and then ship today ship volume discounts could save you up to ninety percent off area rates simply connect your online store to ship. Oh no coding or technical expertise required. They will instantly identify the lowest shipping rates from fifty five plus top global carriers like ups. Usps FEDEX AND DHL plus automated. Return labels are free. You only pay if your customers use them for our listeners. Ship is offering their best discount available anywhere get a shipping consultation and Shipu pro plan six month trial for free at go. Shipu DOT COM Slash Reuben. That's up to a seven hundred dollar value for free. It goes SHIPU DOT com slash Ruben. Go right now and get your shipping consultation and your shipu pro plan six month trial absolutely free at go. Shipu DOT COM Slash Ruben. And now back to the show. Can you talk a little bit about your relationship with trump? Because one of the things that I've said to my audience repeatedly is first of all. I should tell you you'll appreciate this. I voted for Gary Johnson. I'm here in California and I had the luxury of doing a third party situation which obviously certain people depending on where you live you. You didn't have the luxury of doing that. But I wanted to make a vote for liberty more than anything else but one of the reasons that I've become more okay with trump or last couple of years. Is that the guy that I respect. Most in the Senate you has become one of his big allies and my feeling was well. If Rand Paul who aligned with the liberty stuff sees something in him that he can work with then. I view that as a net. Good can you talk about a little bit about your relationship personally? But also just what do you think his actual governing principles? Because it's hard to say they're traditionally conservative or Republican or whatever else? He doesn't come from a steed developed. Positi of libertarianism. However when you talk to him about war and he talks about the Iraq war he gets it more than any other Republican. Obviously other than my dad or myself or Mike Lee gets it and he says the Iraq war was a mistake. He was unafraid to criticize the bushes for making what he said was the biggest foreign policy blunder of last few decades. And he's right about that and if you talked to him he'll tell you consistently wants to bring the troops home from Afghanistan. He wants to end the war. But here's the problem is it is a tug of war. I tried to influence and really. I don't think you can change people. I think you can tug at their instincts and try to bring them in a direction they may already believe in and I think he already does believe those things. The hard part is he's been surrounded off and many of his appointees have been beaten with opposite opinion of hours but also opposite of video the presents John Bolton Astor John Bolton sort of is the antithesis of libertarianism. He's a big spending haw and never met awarded and life and never met a simple liberty. Wouldn't trample and yet. He got victims on the inside but he was there every day. And I'm talking to the president. Wants a weak? So I'm at a disadvantage Lindsey Graham's on that same side as well so we. He's pushing one way we're pushing the other but I can tell you in private when it's the president. I and Lindsey Graham Hill often review. Give Not Always Review Graham for me and for so much war being for special world all that being said Libertarians Limited government. People PEOPLE WANT LESS WAR. Who are conservatives all get frustrated? It's like how can we got about the same amount of troops got more troops in Saudi Arabia? But also look at it this way. It's always a balance of how would could be so for example the conflict with Iran as you hadn't Enzi is president during that we blown up. Aram we would have had a whole war may have changed. Ought to be good but it could be chaos and it could be another ten or fifteen years of chaos in that region so I think the president does show restraint you know. They shot a drone now. Of course they didn't they didn't but I mean all evidence pointing towards and shooting and drone down and the show restraint. He said well nobody was killed. And the were encouraged me. Everybody wanted me to attack Iran. It was going to be limited. But we're to kill one hundred fifty or four hundred fifty or something he just said you know. We're just not going to do it. And I think there's a great They're statesmanship and restraint. And I think he shows that his instincts are on war. I think Libertarians who decide you know I. I want to affect the election. Not Mine is a battleground state. I think should look for things like that. Is You perfect libertarian? Now he doesn't seem to be too concerned with data really the size and scope of government as much as many of us wish but on war. He has some instincts towards less war less intervention. On money we spend overseas and international agencies. And all this stuff that we give up our sovereignty and these international agencies blast us and and harangue us until it's how we are while cashing checks that pays for their salaries. He's he's very good on understanding and thinking that other people need to pay their fair share. And so there's a lot to be said that's good and then you know it is always. We're all people who want the perfect candidate. Run off as yourself. Otherwise always picking and choosing and trying to find the best they involved. Yeah so all right. Let's shift a little bit towards corona and stimulus. And just what's happening broadly? I'm finding right now that there actually is a really nice moment for liberty minded people because one of the things that were suddenly talking about in America that we never talk about or when. I go to libertarian conferences. They talk about it but nobody else about. It is State's rights that is actually something being discussed at a national level right now. I think people are realizing they should be able to protect their family. So talking about the Second Amendment. I think people are realizing that. Maybe they don't WanNa be in giant cities anymore and I said we're going to have some really interesting population things changing. Do you sense that? Because of Corona virus that the Liberty Movement and people realizing that your your congressman and your senator are way more important or should be way more important to your life than your president. Are you hopeful that something might crack here? I mean I'm even seeing left. Knee say we should lower taxes on people now because they need more money in their pockets. Eighty million men and women in the US experienced thinning hair yet. 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For Hair as strong as you are and now back to the show Well you're optimistic and I'm glad you're optimistic on it. I would say this I would say one of the lessons. We can and should learn from the way government responds to this. Virus is one size doesn't fit all and that would go along with federalism and that will go along with really. You should try to do all to the smallest governmental unit and really beyond that you know the Ninth Amendment says the rights not listed or not to be disparaged but they're to be left to the states and the people important not just state governments state governments can be tyrannical as well really and the people. The problem we have is even though we have developed. Most of most of trump's pronouncements even the ones that have been restrictive guidelines without penalties most of the penalties and most of the punishment and most the absolute shut down the economy in governors. So even though it did devolve the states the states will draconian my state including my might might go. Just call on. Wbz drunk with our the Gaza intoxicated when his own power? But here's what happened in our state the legislature. Who knows when years ago passed? An emergency action said the governor gets it during an emergency and think he declared the emergency. There's no check and balance our legislature can't call themselves back in session we've majority Republican legislature. They have no say the governor has become essentially the sole and unique and all powerful person dictates everything about the economy closed everything down and he's still saying things like well. We're not GONNA have childcare open up until we get vaccine. It's like really working. Parents aren't going back. What if we get a vaccine? He banned Church van to interstate travel to court striking down on both of those but he keeps on going any access. If he's you know he's really out there to try to help. Save the People. We've had a little bit over three hundred deaths and that's sad if it was somebody in your family that really the number of deaths in Kentucky Closely Mirror the flu from before. I'm not saying this is the traditional clue but I'm saying in certain states the outcome has not been worse than the blue. The other thing about one size fits all that we need to recognize is young. People have almost zero mortality to this zero to eighteen almost zero less than the flu. They don't WanNa hear it. Zero eighteen desimone children is less than the blue is more deadly now if it goes up the opposite when you get to seventy and eighty predictive you're eighty and above and you were nursing him. It might be twenty or twenty five percent mortality which is fifty times worse than the flu. So but that means maybe we should have a different strategy for the kids coming out for the elderly. And maybe we didn't have to close the economy down. Maybe we could have done what Sweden did and not close the schools down. We have still have knuckleheads like my governor wanted to keep schools closed in the fall. It's a disaster. The economy can't function many people work with their kids in school. That's whether it's GonNa do. It's a form of a place for gives the go all the parents work. And so we. We've got to open the schools but that's the biggest thing we have to do. And you're right some of it devolves back to states and we should or really. We shouldn't stop the devolution of power with the governor. We gotta go to the city's mayors and really ultimately if you own your business your business and you're going to have to respond to public pressure. I don't have to tell you what to do. You rest and you say I'm going to do nothing you're GONNA get. Some people like me who have already had. It would love to come to your restaurant but a lot of people are going to be worried. You'RE GONNA have to do other things you have to have a senior citizen section you may have to have some spacing but if the government mandates they'll be idiots they'll tell everybody six week apart and if I've got five kids I don't need to socially business for my kids. We should all sit at one table on top of each other. You know if the government mandates it. They're GONNA do ridiculous. Thank businesses will figure this out. Churches will figure this out. You know if your mother's eighty five years old and she lives in small town in twenty people go to church and they'll you know space out in the church and she wants to go by Golly. Let her go. But if your mother's eighty-five years old and she used to Mega Church with two thousand people crammed into the pews. I wouldn't mandate this you not. My mother would tell her not to go. So we're not stupid we we. We should let people make decisions on risks so breeder mentioned nut. You mentioned knuckleheads. And I'm here in California as you may know. So I've got Gavin Newsom as governor and I've got Eric Garcetti as my mayor here in. La these are big government progressive. So I'm GonNa ask you for a little life advice right now for the first time since I moved to La. I love it here. It's eighty five and sunny every day. My life has thrived. I've got a great small business. I'm in my garage right now. Senator. It's pretty sweet. But I'm honestly thinking about leaving because I don't. I don't trust that these people will make the right decisions and I wonder just generally. What's your philosophy on if I think? A lot of people are seeing this right now. If they live in a state that they're officials ideas are totally incongruent with their beliefs. Do you generally believe in. Stay in fight or do you. Would you say no you can get on over to Kentucky? Get on over Florida get on over to Texas and go where maybe your ideas are more in line because I think this is like the most unspoken thing in America right now my family lives in Texas and I grew up in Texas. And I'll tell you what they tell me about Californians. You can come when you know you can participate in the economy in Texas but leave all those stupid political ideas of majority in California in California. So they worry so many. California's come complaining about taxes. And then they come in. They vote for high taxes in Texas but Texas is kicking Butts Nevada. I mean all the states that have low or no income tax you know. Look at the professional golfers Mickelson remember. They gave him such a hard time and then at the value date quiet ladies. I'm not leaving the new finally did I mean you're you're a fool if you're making high know California's beautiful but they take all your income and they're going to probably keep you in your garage forever. You need your your beer's GonNa turn out already eastern great giving you let you out you know. Yeah all right so I. I think you're telling me to to get going. I've got a lot of invites. I'm trying to get Ted Cruz to officially give me some sort of package to get me there. So we'll we'll see what happens when you do so beautiful coast and mountains and all that it's just an amazing state. I love one out there and it's like except for your legislature and the craziness guy got so much so many problems. I don't even know you exist. In fact you're a good example of how resilient capitalism is despite having not bunch of the best word is knuckleheads socialist government ladders running. You're running your cities and yet somehow you know. California's still has so much one on with the climate for agriculture the great coastline for tourism. So we'll see but I think there is a there's a chronic exodus from you know New York California. I'll give you an example of what Rick Scott told us the other day. The former governor Florida now a senator he said Lorna has three million more people in New York state but has one half the state budget. This is another reason not to send these people more bailout money because they'll just wasted and we'll just reward bad behavior. They also never opened the economy. We've asked him a Democrat latest one. In addition all the other rail outs you think. They're more or less likely to open their economy. We give them money. The only reason these people will open their economies when they run out of other people's money and so that's coming their their state treasuries are bear. And they're gonNA have to eventually open up even though they love controlling. You telling you what to do. They're going to finally become frightened. When there's money even pay their own salaries all right senator. I know you're crunched for time so I just have one more for you. Can you just lay out? Sort of the broad sort of Libertarian Approach. When it comes to helping people that need help most and stimulus packages and everything else. This is where I see. Libertarians get hit all the time and don't necessarily have a good comeback when we see thirty million people unemployed and we don't we don't have the money to bail everything out yet we always do it and get further into debt and you're basically the only guy in the Senate talking about it. What is the proper or better than proper? What is the responsible approach to helping people when we're telling them that they can't work yet? Also knowing that we don't even have the money in the first place I think the most humanitarian economic system is capitalism. Ed creates enormous amounts of wealth. And that's how you can help. Those who can't help themselves is by having great. An enormous amounts of wealth created. Socialism doesn't work. I mean if you think you're going to be a humanitarian mom elect Chavez. That's already have in California that I think really think don't rubbing on it's not gonNA work. Socialism doesn't work capitalism's humanitarian and then the only other thing to remember is that don't let people guilt you into anything. Look I feel an obligation by fellow man and most people do I feel obligation? I WanNa live in a community where there are not people in the streets hungry and begging I want people to be taken care of my wife and I played several charities in our community. We try to help raise money for them and we want there to be a place people addiction for people getting out of prison and trying to get a skill all those things are. We actually want them for a selfish. He's in because we wanna live in a community. John Allison is good at describing this and saying you know. He's big united way because he wants to live in a community where there are poor people everywhere that are begging in on the streets. He wants a community where there is charity. That takes care of them and we shouldn't be embarrassed to that and there's a selfish reason to cherry sort of an I'm randy in sort of you know self interest in ultras. Actually but the other thing is is that we should remember that. There's a difference between an obligation and a right so I have an obligation to help my fellow man because of my religious and moral beliefs. You don't have a right to painting from him and Bernie Sanders is not have a right to conscripts me and make me give my services to somebody who doesn't have any money him as a physician. I do get my services so but we just can't you know once we give in Alabama right to our services then we're all slaves and we shouldn't do it and I've had this fight with burning before and it's a youtube clip of going back and forth in committee and we shouldn't give in on these things. We gotTA keep fighting. Even though we don't always win I think there's a much broader audience out there than there is in Washington. We've got to replace a few people if you're replace do people. It'll be a lot better. I'm with you man. Well I really appreciate it. I wish we had more time. But I know you've got actual work to do so get to fix the whole system and I hope we can do this in person at some point all right thanks.

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Ep. 157: Meet Our New Manager And Combating Zoom Fatigue

Happier in Hollywood

29:39 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 157: Meet Our New Manager And Combating Zoom Fatigue

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This year was story worth get started right away without the need for shipping by going to story worth dot com slash Hollywood. He'll get ten dollars off your first purchase. That story worth dot com slash Hollywood for ten dollars off shirt. Who Do you like it love it? I'M GONNA debut it today in our humidity nice. I will not wear my denim jacket. Alternate our data. I welcome to happier in Hollywood. The podcast about how to be happier healthier Saner more creative more successful and more productive in backbiting superficial chaotic unpredictable fundamentally insane world. I'm Sarah a TV writer and producer living in L. A. And with me is my high school friend and Writing Partner. Liz. That's me. Liz Craft on this podcast. We talk about being writers in Hollywood how we balance a career and friendship and how to survive the war of attrition. That is life in Los Angeles in this episode. We're going to talk to our amazing manager. Diane Frazier about what a manager is exactly and more importantly. How can you get one then? Usually talk about choosing the bigger life. But today's Sarah is wondering how she can make her life smaller. And therefore easier spoiler alert will be asking for your suggestions. This week's Hollywood hack will help you deal with zoom fatigue. Many of us are experiencing that in a big way. Yes but first an update in episode one fifty six. We talked to emmy nominated costume designer. Alison hanger about how to dress yourself and your space for zoom meetings and Allison suggested small scarves with your Collared Shirts. And particularly she wanted to tell you about a small business called the little project. That makes amazing small scarves. She used their scarves on. Grayson. Frankie so. We'll link to them in the show notes for this episode at Happier in Hollywood Dot Com. And I want to quickly remind everyone that Gretchen. I or doing insta- live every Monday. Through Friday at one PM Pacific. So come enjoy that and you can follow and Ruben on instagram. To check it out and of course we also have our happier in Hollywood facebook group. Which is a practical positive place to connect during this whole cove nineteen situation? It's definitely helping me through these isolated days me too. It's like the first place I go every morning is or face group. Okay Sarah. It is time for from the treadmill desks in which we discuss. What's most pressing in our work psyches and this week? We're all about Diane Frazier. We talked about our new manager. Diane and episode one fifty three when we announced that we once again have well. We've had a lawyer but now we also have our manager for anyone who's just tuning in Sarah and I parted ways with our agent Matt Solo last April due to a conflict between the WG. A and the ATA and we have been without an agent since then. Yes and we still don't have an agent but we do of a manager we've had many people write to us to ask US exactly what a manager is and how managers are different from agents so today we will get all of those answers from Diane herself? Diane Frazier is a partner at industry. Entertainment partners where she primarily represents writers in both film and Television prior to joining industry. She was vice president of series packaging and TV literary at ICBM she joined ICM Boutique Agency Major Clients Agency which she co owned in addition to her work in the worlds of film and Television. Diane has produced multiple stage musicals and is active as a concert producer. She regularly presents and performs in live. Broadway themed musical events including many benefit concerts for nonprofit organizations in Diana's part of the benefit for a great cause the actors fund you can visit the website. Www DOT frazier. Entertainment Group Dot com the facebook page and evening of classic Broadway or on Instagram Classic. Underscore be way to watch a video compilation of past classic Broadway. Mother's Day shows. Mother's Day is passed but any donation is welcome. Hi Diane Lady Cool. Hi Diane Welcome. Thank you for having me on. We're so happy you're here okay. Should we dive in with the basics? One is a manager. I would say in basic terms. A manager is responsible for the overall career strategy often working with writer clients to decide what to write on. Spec to help fine tune what they were in to decide how and where to sell the work and more and more. It's evolving into managers getting the jobs as well. And that's I assume because people don't have agents right now. Many people don't write a lot of clients that were with the agencies only have managers and many have attorneys also but attorneys. Don't typically go out and get the jobs and Dan. What is the difference now? I know everything is sort of turned upside down. Because of the conflicts with writers in the ATA but in general. What is the difference between an agent and a manager? A lot of people have been writing. Us asking that question. Why there's definitely some crossover between them namely as I said in the pursuit of jobs they often you know both will decide where to sell a show or a feature but managers typically have far fewer clients and more time for each client. They can cover the entire town. Where agencies have coverage for example only the covering agent at a particular studio is supposed to be speaking to that studio and a covering agent is often responsible for selling clients that he or she doesn't really know has never met even as never read and it can put the client at a real disadvantage. I would say at our company. We don't have any internal agendas where Nene agents especially at big agencies are encouraged to primarily service producers. Rhett by their agency so there's often an upside to being ETA. An agency where big producers and directors and stars are up since it can give you access but it really cuts both ways. Yeah I mean we him love that you can interact with all the agencies and find out about projects from any agency as opposed to just focusing on the one agency it seems to us as the writers like a huge advantage in terms of the material that we have access to Diane. Do you think that there's an advantage for writers to have both a manager and an agent or is only a manager necessary? I think it's an individual choice. I would say years ago and many years ago. Actors and Comedians had managers but directors and writers really didn't then as the business became more challenging and agencies became bigger more directors and writers turned to managers to help expand their opportunity so it costs more to have both but it can be useful. You know. Ninety percent of nothing is nothing but eighty percent of a huge win can be huge so I would say it's a very individual choice right and it seems like a lot of young writers. Get their first job through a manager. We've just noticed that as we hire people a Lotta Times. It'll be a manager contacting us about a young new writer as opposed to an agent. Do think managers or more willing to take on new talent. Why is that absolutely because agents do not take on new writers anymore? It's just the way it is so the best way to get your career off the ground as a new writer is to find a manager. What do you look for when you're looking to take on a new right or will you still at this point in your career? Take on someone who's never had a job. I will in particular if a client recommends them and knows them has read them etc but if a new writer is going out there cold. I have some advice for them grace. We WanNa hear it because I get hundreds of queries. Each Week. Mostly generic emails from people who have not done their homework and my best advice is to choose a couple of writers whose careers they admire. Find out who their manager is right. A brief impassioned email to the manager along the lines. I know that you Rep. Liz Craft and Sarah Spain and I hope to follow a career. Trajectory like there is something like that in your own words and then ask if the manager would be interested in reading their work. Describe the best piece of writing with a log line. And here's the important part that no one ever does pick up the phone. Follow up with a phone. Call to the manager's office and get to know the assistant because ninety percent of assistance on the desks of wraps are climbers and they wanna be the ones to find the next big star so if the assistant says the manager doesn't have time isn't taking on anyone new etc. Ask the assistant if they will read your work and if they say no hit them up again in three weeks or months and stay on them in the nicest way possible and this will yield results eventually the assistant will read it and if they like it they'll be the champion with the manager and it's amazing how. I just will get these emails and the same email over and over and over weekly. No thought has gone into it and no real follow-up so this is this is my thinking yes genius advice. I never would have thought to follow up with a phone call. Sarah you and I are the sort of midwestern. Don't want other people types and so I would feel just reticent to call but having heard that advice like I would have someone had told us that when we just got to. La We would have but no one ever said that. And it's so clear once you say it. It seems so obvious. But I've thought about that well. A networking with assistance as you're saying is such a brilliant strategy because they do want to be that person who can be the year for their boss and they. WanNa move up an like an unwillingness now. Of course yes. Yeah Yeah and Diana question we get over and over again and we answer it over and over again but it still keeps coming up is what should people right specs. I feel like are still used to get into various programs. But do you WanNa read a pilot from somebody or will you read specs. What's your take on the material? They should work on well for writers. Who WANNA GET NEW WRITERS? Who WanNa get on staff? Unfortunately the day of the SPEC episodes of breaking bad or anything else are gone. There are programs. You're right I think that the Fox program the NBC program will read specs of existing shows. The Warner Brothers Writer's workshop well but most people hiring Wanna read an original pilot and a pilot as you know is very tough to execute so I have found that in addition to that if you have a short story or a one act play you can get traction from having that to go along with a highlight because you're judged pretty harshly on a pilot. Occasionally there are show runners who will say. I really only want a writers draft of an episode of an existing show. They were on staff more as SPEC episode show. But that's few and far between and it's not any of the executives. It's only the occasional show runner who prefer that but it's important to have original material our impression as well. It is so hard to write a good pilot and we always tell everyone and I assume you will agree with Diane. That the most important thing writer can do to get work as to have an amazing script. It's like I find that. If someone truly has an amazing piece of material they will get hired. Would you agree with that? Y- I mean the cream rises to the top and especially if you hook the reader really. It's a psychological effect if they're hooked by page two and they'll read the page ten and if they really think it's good they don't even finish it and they'll just meet the writer so it's very important to have that way to just grab someone's attention and keep it a hundred percent. We say five pages. I love that you say to. Yes we say the first five the first five have to be great. Yeah I would say the first five but I think after years of reading by page to. I'll know yeah there's something here or not and then I'll going awesome. Well Diane. This is amazing advice. Thank you so much for coming on today for the first of many times inviting me were hoping we can incorporate you into the podcast have our caller managers segment where we can call that. Only you can answer because there are many things we don't know and we need expertise good. I'm glad I'm here to offer it. Dan Thank you so much for being here. We WanNA remind everyone to check out. Www DOT frazier entertainment group DOT COM. Where you can enjoy some wonderful performances and donate to the actors fund. Thank you coming up. Sarah is wondering how she can choose the smaller life. I spray for ECOMMERCE businesses in two days or less as the new standard as a growing business. How can you keep up introducing Shipu your businesses new secret weapon? Shipu is the only shipping software for growing businesses. That you can start. Today's set up in minutes and then ship today. Companies that you shipu save thousands of dollars free up hours. 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I wish and I mean desperately wish that my life were smaller too much life. Yeah you are one person doing all the cooking all the cleaning. You're in charge of all the remote learning all entertainment all the pets pets. You're in charge of everything. Yes and also was something I was thinking about. Is You also have to do all the worrying and make all Sison minimize your risk or what risks you can take or not take B. It is a lot for one pixel a and also by the way we have our two jobs we have the podcast job. We have the television career job. And then I have my rental cabins job in northern Minnesota. Yes so you have a big life. You wanted it that way but right now not being able to have any help managing these things. It is a lot it is a lot safer I just say. There have been so many times over the past several weeks when I have taken a moment's should be grateful that I only have one child. The ratio of two adults to one child is a good one. Absolutely you know it just so much easier dealing with one schedule. We have two people to deal with one remote learning so someone's always available to help with a science project yet. No and I have been both grateful that I only have one child because I don't know how I would manage this cool for two and also wished that I did have another child so that they could occupy each other. It's a complicated equation right. Yeah yes so. You're wishing that there was a way to make your life smaller right now. Let's say smaller are simpler and therefore easier easier and you and I were talking about ways. You could potentially do this but then we realized we really WanNa ask our listeners. Because you and I were coming up with that many solutions. We'll share our solutions. But I definitely want to hear from our listeners because I know that I am not the only person right now wishing that I had less had less to manage had less to do you know just in general wishing for less and smaller and again not forever in generally love my life but right now I would really like for it to be smaller so right now I think you're wishing you take my advice and not gotten those two guinea pigs honestly. I've never regretted anything more like a regret person that I regret getting the Guinea. Pigs right now right now they are very sweet and I. Someday I'll love them again but they poop so much are constant constant maintenance. There's nothing to do about it so that is not a thing that's going to be smaller. That is what it is. You're not going to just open the back door. And what the run them roam and feed themselves on the neighborhood fake grass. Sadly no okay. So what are some things that you have done? Well one thing I did and this is small. I gotTA stick vacuum. Explain what that is. It's like a vacuum that charges and doesn't have a cord and it doesn't even have a bag. It just like fills up. Empty it straight into the trash can because my vacuum. It's a good vacuum but it's a canister vacuum with the long cord and the attachments and this and that it's just like I just didn't want to deal with it literally going room to room so I stick vacuum. That's great okay. I just ordered a bunch of paper plates because the dishes are just nonstop. Even in our house I am loading and unloading the dishwasher constantly. That is something if I could even just minimize dishes. That would be amazing. I literally leave the long dusting things for ceilings and ceiling fans and like high things. I leave them out in the dining room so I can just rabbit rob them and do it as I walked by. It doesn't look super great but it's easier and I making really simple meals. I mean I'm trying not to order out. I'm trying to make most of our dinners and I'll make things like Chili. That can last a long time and vegetable soup. Can last a long time chilly with beyond meat so I feel like I'm doing a lot of things food lies. It's funny because I feel like one suggestion that we're going to get from a lot of people is how violet do things have violently in her own room. Silat help make dinner. Violet do the dishes and I'm sure you have found as I have that getting a kid do something as often twice amount of work of just doing it yourself absolutely now when this first started. I was insisting that Violet helped me unload the dishwasher every morning. It was more stressful. Yeah than to just let her eat breakfast. I unload the dishwasher so she is responsible for her room and her playroom but mostly they're just a total mess. And I go thing that you can do is only clean what you really have to clean like. You don't want it to be dirty. Don't want to be depressed by too much clutter but like now might not be the time when your floors are going to get mopped as much as you like. I mean I can say like our cover is getting washed off not getting a regular laundering often as it might otherwise yet so part of the answer. I think has to just release things but beyond that. What is there to do to kind of help? Make our lives smaller. In a way that can help us be mentally and emotionally and spiritually stronger and saner during this time. Yes that's the question. I have a feeling that people are going to have some solutions that in a million years. We never would have thought of so. I can't wait to read those and hopefully implement them. I hope so please. Whatever you've got please send it to us. We need your help. Email US or send a voice memo to happier in Hollywood at gmail.com included. You in the we need your help but truly I need your help. I need your help coming up. We've got an alternative to zoom meetings. 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Sakarov DOT com slash. Hollywood it is time for this week's Hollywood hack now. We have been talking a lot about how to improve our zoom meetings. We've talked about the touchup appearance. Button what to wear how to production design your space but a lot of us are experiencing Zuma fatigue. Yes some people are spending hours a day on zoom and staring at a screen. All Day can just be totally draining. Yes so we have an alternative own calls instead of zoom meetings. We were talking Sarah to a writer. Friend the other day delay. Who said she has started having good old fashioned phone calls instead of zoom meetings. Which hard to me about. Zoom is knowing. Who's talking wet right for some reason? It's less clear on zoom than it is on a telephone. Why that is. I don't know someone could write a thesis about it. This is for writers. Obviously this would apply to any job in any industry. Sometimes you need a zoom meeting in our case if you have to look at a white board or a whiteboard APP of some sort but a lot of the time you don't need to be looking at something and you can talk on the phone. Yeah and so. This is where our hack comes in not talking on the phone. We're going further. Okay the heck have a phone meeting while everyone walks so many of us are just feeling stuck in our houses. Start walking around while you're having your phone meeting walk around Your House. Walk around your apartment. Go outside and walk. Of course. This kind of meeting requires not wearing a mask. So you'd have to do it somewhere where you're not around other people but doing walking phone calls on your treadmill desk on your treadmill walk. Yes because what we know from. Our personal experience is that we tend to be more productive. When we're walking like when we hike or you and Marshon I would walk around the lot when we really were dealing with a story problem. Usually by the end of the walk we would have our answer. I think it's still true that we all might be way more productive having walking meetings. We're just not walking together. We're walking in our own spaces. Whatever that is and if you're outside you get vitamin D. Which is very important. Fresh air and it makes it easier to do your walk twenty and twenty which. I'm trying to walk an extra twenty minutes. Every day of twenty twenty wasn't planning on a quarantine when I committed to that. So this is just a way to fight zoom fatigue and be a little healthier and more productive. Yes and that. Is it for this episode of Happier in Hollywood for questions or comments? Email us or send us a voice memo to happier in Hollywood at gmail.com. Thanks for listening and please subscribe if you haven't already big. Thanks to Diane Frazier for us. Today we will no doubt be calling upon her often. Thanks to our executive producer the amazing Chuck Reed and thanks to everyone at Sinkhole Assaf. You can follow them on instagram. At Saint Coa south thanks to everyone at cadence thirteen. And as always thank you to Gretchen Rubin. Happier in Hollywood is part of the onward project. Cincinnati other onward. Tragic podcast happier with Gretchen Rubin side-hustle school and do the thing with coal thirties. Melissa get in touch on instagram. At S Fain Liz Atlas Craft. We also have a facebook group search for happier in Hollywood on facebook to join in on the conversation until next week on Lucy Craft and I'm Sarah Fain. Thanks for joining us. It's a fun job and enjoy Sara. This is the shirt I was singing about wearing for our meeting. Today my question is does it look too much like a Pajama top. I don't think so I wouldn't have thought that I mean I see what you mean like. The piping is a little Pajama toppy. But no I don't think says go back a little. What do you think it's cute? It's like Cammo flowers. I like it right. Well wear it and if during the meeting feel it look like. I'm wearing a pajama top alert. Me and I won't wear it again. Deal from the onward projects.

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Ep. 173: Sarahs Surge Capacity Is Depleted  Is Yours?

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Ep. 173: Sarahs Surge Capacity Is Depleted Is Yours?

"So. I. Just. pitch document imprint layoffs at it's currently fourteen pages. So we're GONNA cut like four pages. Don't know how can maybe we should just put it in smaller font so we feel that us? Hi and welcome to happier in Hollywood the podcast about how to be happier healthier, Saner more creative, more successful and more productive in backbiting superficial chaotic unpredictable. Fundamentally. Insane World I'm Sarah Fain TV writer and producer living in L. A. and with me is my high school friend and writing partner Liz. That's me Liz craft on this podcast. We talk about being writers in Hollywood, how we balance A career in friendship and how to survive the war of attrition is life in Los Angeles. In this episode, we're going to talk about surge capacity over the last several months. Most of us have depleted hours I certainly have. So now, what how do we recharge? Then we'll head to the mail room for some follow ups including great advice for the listener who asked whether she should talk to. Her boss about struggling with depression. Then we have a hack from friend of the POD leadership expert Michael, Melchior I we have a merch update. Our Silla pint cups are going asked, which is very exciting because we love them they are sixteen ounces EP free unbreakable come with a travel lid they're microwaveable and can go in the in the freezer and their whimsical and happy which we all need. These days. So if you'd like to have one of your own before they're gone again, you can email us at happier in Hollywood at g mail DOT COM. Yes and they are really both anyone doesn't know that I love a good. Rainbow Cup indeed and Sarah. We also have a question for our listeners. We're thinking ahead to the holidays and gift buying which seems early but frighteningly it's not Who knows what the holidays are going to look like this year? Hopefully, they will be joyful and we WANNA. Know what you all think about this. We have a couple of new merch items were considering we love our Silla Pints and the company also has a twenty two ounce bomber cup. So it's just like the pint, but it's a little taller hold six more ounces. Yes I have one of those. I have a bomber and I love it. So we're thinking about getting some of those with our happier in Hollywood logo and motto we could do it's a fun job and I enjoy it again or We could use a different saying like don't treat a gift like burden. So that's one option or one of our listeners works for a company called ever well, and she emailed us about their fantastic water bottles and coffee travel mugs and US some samples which immediately displaced are other water bottles and Adam nabbed my Coffee Cup and he uses it every single day I never get to use it. So those are another option we can have our logo on those but not a motto and they are more expensive than the Phillipines. So we don't know exactly how much it costs, but it could end up being. Close to fifty dollars when you include shipping. So we're really what we want to know is what would you all like? What would you use the most? So we're going to put up a poll on our facebook group this week. And you could answer there or email us at happier Hollywood a g mail dot com, and if you feel like doing a little research, go to the pipe website to see the bombers the ever well website or considering both woody water bottle and the early Riser Tumbler. So let us know what you think. Yes. Okay, Liz it's time for from the treadmill desks of where we talk about what's most pressing in our work psyches this week and this week it is being. So at the end of our surge capacity yes and Sarah this really was inspired by an article read. Yes I read it on medium and just completely connected with it. It's called your surge capacity is depleted. It's why you awful by Tara Hail I think it's Hail H. A. E. L. L. E. and I posted it on our facebook group and apparently many people are experiencing the same thing. So we thought we should talk about it and talk about what we can do to make it better. Yes. I mean I feel this way I really think like almost everybody in the country if not the world feel this way I totally feel this way to the author of the article writes about how at the beginning of the pandemic she was stressed and exhausted but pretty much. Okay. Because she was using her surge capacity and then it ran out and she crashed. So we will read a couple of key paragraphs from the article. She says in those early months I along with most of the rest of the country was using quote surge capacity to operate as and Masters and PhD psychologist and Professor of Child Development at the University of Minnesota calls it. Surge capacity is a collection of adaptive systems mental and physical. The humans draw on for short term survival and acutely stressful situations such as natural disasters. The natural disasters occur over short period even if recovery is long pandemics. Are, different the disaster itself stretches out indefinitely, the pandemic has demonstrated both what we can do a search capacity and the limits of surge capacity says masten when it's depleted at has to be renewed. But what happens when you struggle to renew it because the emergency phase has now become chronic right? Which is, of course where we are. Now now we are in a on emergency. We've been in this pandemic for over five months we've depleted Oliver Reserve. Energy are surge capacity and all the coping skills we were using for the first several months of this, and now we feel like crap and we as Kim from our facebook group said I thought this was an interesting comparison. She said it lines up with the season of sacrifice. We can do it because it's a season not an indefinite period. Yes, and a coal in our facebook group agreed she said that might be the hardest part I. was good for a season, but this is starting to comprise a big enough chunk of time that I just can't muddle through anymore. It was interesting because several of the people in our facebook group said, they cried reading the article which I completely understand and a lot of people said, they felt an enormous sense of relief that they weren't alone in what they were feeling, which is what I felt reading it. I was just like Oh my God. Rebecca said it's so helpful to know that I'm not alone I'm doing so much worse than I was last spring when all of this started I've been getting so frustrated with myself lately I feel like a mediocre mom, a mediocre employee and just mediocre in general and I was like that's that's me right there. I literally feel like some days it's like everything that comes up is just one more opportunity for me to not do something well enough, which is just no fun. Another Sarah, not you wrote I was thinking this week that on a scale from one to ten regarding stress I met an eleven and have been for months and will be for more months and that's never happened to me before even during the worst year of my personal life. So yeah, I think we all are waiting for it to get better and then it sort of like it's getting worse because it's gone on for so long that's both in terms of dealing with kids at home in terms of work uncertainty in terms of just not being able to enjoy. So your social life I mean on all fronts. We're just getting worn down. Yeah and I think a big part of it is not knowing when it will end. You know if you know when something's GonNa end, you can kind of and that goes to the season of sacrifice and how this is different but you can kind of measure out your energy to make it through or you can remind yourself like, okay. This will be over as we do. This will be over by lunch. This will be by Christmas will be over by whatever and that helps and this is like I mean we don't know we just don't know. So our surge capacity is depleted. We feel. What can we do about it? Yeah. The article has some great suggestion some of which we've talked about before that will we'll go over them quickly like except that life different right now and not in a good way which Sarah reminds me of our friend demand is brilliant insight that we talked about last episode that we don't have to get good at this. This is not normal and we don't want it to. Become. Normal. But it is a good idea just to accept that this is where are yes and then another suggestion is to expect less from yourself which we talked about with Audrey Monkey in our March twenty third bonus episode and I've been trying to embrace that and then another is focused on maintaining and strengthening important relationships which I feel like we kind of talked about all the time and you are very good at. I'm working on it I. I have to say when you don't spend time with people, it's hard zooms just not the same. No, it's really not. Well am this the pressure to like do all of these zooms with people and set them up just makes me feel like I'm failing something. Exactly and. Then there are some things mentioned in the article we want to expand on recognize the different aspects of grief. This is really interesting over hundred eighty, thousand people have died. So there's grief for so many families and friends and loved ones right now. But even for those of us who are lucky enough not to have lost anyone, there is real grief all the stages of it and just being aware that grief is. What we're feeling is helpful. Yes. That was really eye opening for me to just go. Okay right now we are all on some level grieving and other thing that kind of helped me in this one is remembering that one stage of grief is denial which helps me be a little less angry at the people who act like this whole pandemic thing just isn't happening. You know like the sturgis bikers who are now spreading. All over the country I just if I say, you know what some level of them as grieving and in denial that helps me be have slightly less rage. Good and that depletes you less because there is very depleting. Yes. Another suggestion is to experiment with both and the thinking. Okay which is basically that this is both awful and there are good sings like you get to be in Minnesota for a long time for the first time in your whole life. Yes. Symbolic get to all this bonding time with her grammy. So it can be both awful and good and everyone has these things. There are both ends that are small and huge. Do you have any both ends less Well? Yeah it's both awful. To be stuck at home all the time and I feel like it's been good for me to not be like so intense about being places on time because we're not going places and it's definitely that has lessened my conflict with Adam because we're always fighting about being on time. and. It's made me realize like, wow, I really do put on a lot of pressure. So let me. As life goes back to normal. Not, do that. That's a big one because this has been a thing for you. Your whole marriage. Yes it has. And I'm sure we'll continue to be brave. You feel that I've learned and improved and That's been great. Also look for activities new and old continue to fulfil you. Yes. which I both think is a good idea and also worry that it puts on pressure. You know like some days I feel like. Okay I acknowledged that it would be nice for me to have a new activity or do an old activity that I love like spinning but I don't WanNa feel like if I'm not doing that I'm sort of not doing the pandemic, right? You. Don't WanNa feel like a game night every single night. Yes. Exactly. One thing we've both done which has helped me is played Mahjong online which we never did before the pandemic and it has really improved my Mahjong game so I can't wait to play with actual people in person but you know my game has improved. Yes. Okay. So Sarah the next step is for us to. Albeit slowly rebuild our resilience couch. Yes and the elements of that are sleep and nutrition and exercise and meditation and self compassion and gratitude and connection, and saying no, and doing all of those just seems like way too much. But if we can just pick one or two and do you know alternate maybe one day sleep another day meditate I'm good at saying no at this point i. Got The nail. And for me just like being in nature is really important when I realized that now that I'm in Minnesota and there's trees and wind and rain. That's huge for me in rebuilding my surge capacity. So do you think being in Minnesota I? Know it's stressful in some ways because of the time difference which affects when violence in school and that's tough. But do you feel like being there is ultimately going to be. A nurturing you know saying that the does help you build back up. Yes. Overall I definitely do yeah and we'll figure out the time zone thing. It's only been a few days of school. We'll get there. What about you Liz how are you refilling your Surge Capacity Bank Account Oh goodness Sarah I don't even know I'm not good at these things I did start making avocado toast, which oddly has made me feel better. Because I love Avocado Toast and the fact that I can myself produce it makes me very happy. Also, Adam set up my treadmill desk in the office. So that's huge. I feel like that's going to go a long way toward getting me back and I am trying to sleep more drink a lot less alcohol which I think overall is a good idea nice and also I wanted to add judy on our facebook group she had a really good way to do this. She said my new rule during a pandemic I am allowed to watch as much TV as I want read whatever I want and play music and dance as loud as I want. So we would love to know what you're doing to recharge your surge capacity, send us an email or a voice memo to happier in Hollywood at g mail, Dot Com, and we will put a link to the article in our show notes. Yes. Next we have some listener question followups I this break. Liz As folks adapted this changing world. We're all going to be buying more stuff online than ever before if you're an ECOMMERCE seller, are you ready to meet the demands of our new delivery culture be ready with ship station? It's the fastest easiest and most affordable way to manage and ship your orders just a few clicks and you'll be managing your orders, printing out labels and getting your product to happy customers. Ship Station makes it easy Sarah we're using ship station to send that are happier and Hollywood merch, and we are absolutely obsessed. With it now love shipping things because it's so easy and efficient, and I just feel like I've accomplished so much when I use ship station and right now happier in Hollywood listeners can try ship station free for sixty days. When you use offer Code Hollywood, make sure your business is ready to meet the demands of delivery culture get started at ships station DOT com today click on the microphone at the top of the homepage and type in Hollywood that's station Dot Com and enter offer code Hollywood ship stationed Dot Com make ship happen. Okay Liz. Now, let's follow up on some recent mailroom questions in our recent summer listener questions episode one seventy, we read a question about how to handle a tough situation at a new job. Here it is I have a problem relating to my new job in publishing house, which I started about a month into lockdown I still haven't met my co workers or into the office as we've all been working remotely. I'm not sure if it's these circumstances without the creative spark of collaborating in person or if it's due to the general sad state of the world but I have been feeling really flat down concentrating has been hard. I haven't been at all productive in my new role I've suffered. From. Depression in the past in this feels very similar. The company hired me because I'm known for moving quickly and having high energy but since I began it feels as if I'm knee deep in molasses and I've hardly made any meaningful progress in two and a half months I might be projecting but I feel as if the company is disappointed with my performance so far my question is this do I talk to my new boss about my mental health issues she is a fair minded and sympathetic person and I believe that we should be more transparent and open about issues of depression and anxiety. So why do I feel cautious about raising this? What would you do? So Sarah you and I. Shared our advice but it is such a complicated question. We asked our listeners to share their advice which thank you everyone. We got some great responses. Here's Rebecca Advice. She says I state the struggle clearly with no drama and mentioned that you dealt with issues like this before normalize your experience in two ways. Here's my example script boss I'm struggling. So many people are with Cova, nineteen isolation. It's difficult for me that I haven't been able to bond with my coworkers and I think that is impacting my work. I've dealt with a bit of depression previously and the challenge. This time is that I'm not feeling part of the team yet. Then make a clear ask by asking for something clearly from your boss, you demonstrate that you can identify a problem and that you also have ideas for a solution. She also says as sample script. One of the things I missing is the water cooler experience of getting to know my co workers would it be possible to arrange some team building like a zoom scavenger hunts which I'm happy to help create or some other mixer that allows us to build relationships additionally would you be willing to help me brainstorm task list to help me gain some momentum? I'm typically fast to getting things done and I think this bit of depression is causing. Me To get lost in the forest rather than being able to see each tree I can climb I believe that just a bit of a jumpstart session with you or the appropriate person will help me find my missing Mo Jo Rebecca. Says I believe it is important to normalize depression at the same time you can show your ability to be self motivated by asking clearly for what you need if your boss doesn't care for your ideas at least you've given her a place to start having a reputation forgetting things done quickly doesn't have to exclude asking for help and then Rebecca says which I found very interesting I have several clients Who have been struggling with the isolation and I think we all can relate. So I find that reassuring Sarah that Rebecca has clients dealing with the same thing I think. So many people are dealing with this absolutely and I thought that all of her advice was really excellent and then Jeannie also had some advice. She said I have a different perspective I. I would not share any private health information with a boss without first getting medical help whether that's zoom visit with one's internist or call with the therapist treatment can take time to work but a therapist can help the young woman brainstorm how to approach her boss secondly because she's depressed. Catastrophes in her situation, she may not be performing quite as badly as she thinks she is if her boss has not broached it, I think it through carefully before speaking up in the short term if she can start to feel even a little better before she speaks up, she'll advocate for herself more effectively and not just speak from a place of shame. I have personally found that just the act of reaching out to get help for depression can bring a little bit of A. Lift in mood try to combine that with some good nutrition some walks in the sunshine the best sleep you can manage and see if that doesn't help along with some good medical care hanging there it will get better yet. One thing really interesting there. Sarah is the catastrophe icing I mean it may be that the boss hasn't noticed anything wrong with what this person has done. Absolutely yes. We all tend to feel like we're doing worse than we are so if she can kind of. Reach out get some help do some of these things that genius adjusting, which are great ideas for all of us. She may not feel that she's doing such a bad job. Yeah. So good luck to. The person who asked that question and do let us know how it goes I would love to get an update. Yes. Please and then Sarah Episode one seventy we also had a question from Rachel. Who wanted to know how hard it is to break into TV writing forty three our answer was essentially that it's hard but certainly not impossible and Danielle had a related follow up question she says, Hi Liz and Sarah I have a follow up question for the person who asked about breaking into the business of forty three while I'm not forty-three this resonated with me because I'm a mom too soon to be three kiddos and most. Entry level positions wouldn't cover the cost of childcare forget regular expenses on top of that you mention getting your name out there what programs are festivals would catch your eye if they were listed on resume are there any you'd recommend I have been diligently writing SPEC scripts, but I haven't sent them anywhere yet I'm also an actor have a background in the production. So I know I, could potentially produce some of this work put. The lift is so huge and with three kids under the age of four in a one bedroom. In Harlem, all add maybe borderline insane that said, would you be more likely to watch trailer slash teaser. Episode before you'd read a script and your experience, which is open more doors. Okay. Well, first of all, cheers to Danielle for handling three kids in a one bedroom apartment. During pandemic I, mean her surge capacity most huge. In. The negative. But to answer the questions I mean I think Sarah both of us would say a script if you WanNa be a writer is way more valuable than a trailer? Yes. It's funny because I maybe more likely to watch a trailer, but then I think I would just be watching it. To See your skills as an actor like the writing would have to be so insanely brilliant. Yeah. For it to make an impression that yeah. Ultimately I land on script. Yes I it. Just if you want to be a writer, you need scripts, Yeah Sarah asked our facebook group about the festival program contest question because a lot of people in the group are doing all of that and very aware of sort of you know the best things right now. And Pepper who we've had on the show suggested the Nicholl fellowships. She said, definitely, the TV fellowships from NBC CBS WB Disney are high on the list. Now, this person's in New York so that might not work Sundance's many programs HBO's program especially since it is only every other year. She said imagine impact is one people want to win because you get paid and it can open a lot of doors and then also for comedy Nickelodeon, and then Laura added that as far as festivals go the big ones for writers are Sundance, Tribeca and the Austin Film Festival so good luck congratulations baby good luck, and finally a few weeks ago we asked you to let us know when and where you're listening to podcasts now that. So many of our commutes have gone away and we loved I especially loved this response from Clare. She said, I live on eleven acres in New Zealand, and I'm a big fan of your show a few episodes back you questioned when people are listening to podcasts. Now. I listen to podcasts while doing household chores and my kids are listening to audio books. This morning is a cold and frosty day here in Wellington and I have happier in Hollywood playing via my phone in my pocket while I do my morning check on my pregnant us I know Sarah loves the idea of being a sheep farmer. So I. Thought you would appreciate this photo of my heavily pregnant US enjoying their morning treat while they listen to the two of you speak. Oh my God and she said a great picture Amazing. So great and the pictures. Gorgeous. We're going to post the picture in our show notes. Yes. So thank you Claire for that. Pick me up from New Zealand. Coming up we have a zoom Hollywood hack but I sys break. 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It's time for this week's Hollywood hack. It comes from our good friend, Michael Melchor who talks about Aena grams with us on episode sixty, four Michael says when you do zoom or other video calls when it's time to hang up force yourself to maintain strong smile. The reason is that your face is frozen and whatever expression you have when you end the call especially if you are the host, the last thing we do is search for the N. meeting button and it's really easy to end up with a confused nearsighted old persons grimace i. did this many a time before? I figured it out. Now I shine my pearly whites and leave a better final image. Okay. Sarah the second I read this email from Michael I started doing it like that day we had a zoom in at the end I was like smiling yes, So now I always plaster on a big smile at the end of the meeting and I just leave it there until my screen is completely blank May to I, do the wave and the big smile, and because I really want to avoid I totally know what he means by that like confused look just smile big. Thank you Michael. So awful. We also want to mention Michael's excellent new podcast career stewardship with Michael Melchior, which is a podcast for managing your career whether you're making the most of what you have or looking for something new and Sarah would be remiss if I didn't mention that my sister Gretchen was a guest recently on episode eight. If you WANNA hear Gretchen talking to Michael Nice and that is it. For this episode, of Happier, in Hollywood for questions or comments, email us or send us a voice memo to happier in Hollywood at g mail DOT COM. Thanks for listening and please subscribe if you haven't already thanks to Michael Melchior for the excellent hack. Thanks to our executive producer Chuck Reed King of remote, recording, and thanks to everyone at sinkhole. ASSALAMU. You can follow them on. Instagram at Colo.. Thanks to everyone at cadence thirteen, and as always thank you to Gretchen Rubin. Happier in Hollywood is part of the onward project, Listen To the other onward project podcast happier with Gretchen Rubin side-hustle school will do the thing with whole Thirties Melissa urban and everything happens with Peyton, Bowler get in touch I'm on instagram at s Fain and Liz as atlas craft. We also have a facebook group search for happier in Hollywood on facebook to join in on the conversation until next week I'm lose. And I'm Sarah Faye thanks for joining us. It's a fun job and we enjoy. So Sarah what was this in crawdads that escaped in your house last night I saw video you posted Oh my God. I. Came downstairs after putting in bed and the bowl that. Had Been. Was Empty. I. Said like what? What? Did somebody moved. The die. An Anna was like well, I literally just saw at like five minutes ago. So then. ME, an Anna. Jean. Terrified we were going to step on crawdads at any second searching the entire. House for this crowd crawdads, the dogs I expected the dogs, sniff it out. No. No, I had to find on the other side of the house like it went bar. And I screamed. Bully screamed when I found it was and then what you do with it well, Anna picked it up and I were both like we're not touching. Like you're addicted. Took picked it up and put it back in the bowl. My God that's funny. That lives today. From the onward project.

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