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INTRODUCING: So You Wanna Be President? with Chris Matthews

The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell

33:02 min | 1 year ago

INTRODUCING: So You Wanna Be President? with Chris Matthews

"Hi everybody it's Chris Matthews host of the new. MSNBC PODCAST say you want to be president. It's about the lessons learned from campaigns. That got their across six episodes. I talked talk to campaign veterans about six timeless themes that separate the winners from the losers. You can stay right here and listen to the first episode and to get the entire series search search for president wherever you're listening right now and subscribe friends delegates and fellow Americans. I accept your nomination. So you WANNA be president. I'm Chris Matty some hardball on MSNBC. I've watched so many people run for their party party nomination but only a few who had to get it Madam Chairwoman and let's I have a privilege given few Americans for all those who believe that our best days are ahead of us. I proudly only accept your nomination. WanNa be president. This show is about what you have to do to get your nomination. These are the lessons learned from campaigns. That win six episodes six timeless things that separate winners from losers I'll be joined by campaign veteran some have had front row seats to the most important moments. In presidential campaign. History will break down. What work for some candidates candidates and what didn't for others see you want to be president? These lessons can help stick around every night. Local police departments across America received hundreds of calls from burglar alarms the vast majority of the time they have no idea whether the alarm Israel all the alarm company can tell them is the motion sensor went off. simplisafe home security is different. And it's why I love it if there's a break in simply safe uses real video evidence to give police. He's an eyewitness account of the crime that means police dispatch up to three hundred fifty percent faster than for a normal burglar alarm. You get comprehensive protection for your entire home. MM outdoor cameras and doorbells alerted anyone approaching your home. Entry motion and glass break sensors guard inside plus simply safe protect your home from fires water damage and carbon monoxide poisoning. You can set up your system yourself. No tools needed or simply safe can do it for you. And it's only fifty cents a day with no contracts visit simplisafe simplisafe dot com slash. So you WANNA you'll get free shipping and a sixty day risk-free trial. You've got nothing to lose. Go now and be sure to go to SIMPLISAFE DOT COM Slash so you WANNA so they know our show sent you that simplisafe dot com slash. So you WANNA so you WANNA be president. I'm Chris Matthews from hardball on. MSNBC lesson one win Iowa it's the most astounding thing win Iowa and it's nearly a lock you'll get your party's nomination for the Democrats nine eleven nominees one Iowa on the Republican side. More than half. The Iowa caucuses are America's first battleground ground winning their means. You get America's attention you stand out for voters inside a national spotlight as the election counter races onto New Hampshire and beyond John. Kennedy's haven't always thought winning. I was worth it. The first is so its value. Was Jimmy mccarter. He put the Iowa caucuses on the map on asking me the next night. I'm running for president. Did that thank the much in nineteen seventy five in one thousand nine hundred seventy six. Jimmy Carter went all in in Iowa. He needed to outside the south. Georgia governor was unknown to most people and he's up against a crowded more established field to win an Iowa. Jimmy Carter champion. Something called retail politics. He took his underdog campaign to the people giving me. I won't Sheila Hi. I'm giving a funny shooting film of Him. Meeting people people shaking hands by name. Is Jimmy Carter burning for president Jerry. RAPP Shin was part of Jimmy Carter's campaigns in the early days. I for Georgia governor then for the White White House Jerry. Random film shoots created all the campaign ads and was part of the team who dreamed up winning Iowa Strategy. It look life if we get all the national attention who would all be director. Ken This guy. Do it again in New Hampshire. It was very clear that they were working the state and had it all mapped out. Judy Woodruff also watched him Carter in his early days as a politician. Did you know her. Today is anchoring Managing Editor for the PBS Newshour in the Early Nineteen Seventy S. She was a rookie journalist working in Atlanta I had just just gone to work for NBC. And I started telling my my bosses at NBC. You gotta pay attention to this Governor Carter and they looked at me like I had a hole in my head the freedom prejudice. Because you are. I am apart prejudice. I'm GonNa Michio Jimmy Carter. Was You know obviously thing not a creature of Washington not somebody who they thought you know. They thought thick southern accent. Who who does he think he is and I kept saying to them? You know you really need to pay attention to this guy. He's going somewhere judy. Woodruff was right. Jimmy Carter playbook look we go on to become less than one for campaigns win Iowa with retail politics. Climb inside the national spotlight and hanging there all the wait the nomination roots of Jimmy. Carter's playbook and I would took shape long before his presidential run John. Carter was then a first time candidate for Georgia governor. He was up against some big time politicians. He needed. Help Jerry we wrap. Shane was young advertising executive in Atlanta. A friend offered him a job on the Carter campaign fellow by name. Hal Gulliver who was editor. It became editor around the constitution. Said Jerry You ought to do Jimmy. Carter's campaign you ought to do the advertising. He's a friend of mine. Nine and I said how I can't do that. I just start the advertising agency but then I was driving my car down down peach tree on a Saturday and I heard a commercial come on the air and it was country and western singer singing. enghien Jimmy Carter is name. Jimmy Carter is name. Jimmy Carter is the number one for governor. I almost went off the road. I went to a filling station and I called Gulliver and I said he your friend Carter needs help. He's told you why don't you just tell them to take the damn jingle off. I'm not going to. That's free advice. So the following Monday night I was babysitting. My wife was out and Gulliver calls me up and says Carta just fired Ziad Guy. And he's got sixty thousand dollars. There's to spend the pronoun the camp of silly election which is two months away and wants to know how you're going to spend that so I go up and the a headquarters was a suite at the plaza. Hotel were all politicos. Hung out the door opens and in walks. This Guy Jimmy mccarter and he's with three people and so they said well. What have you got? I said well you need to do away with all your billboards boards and you've got sixty thousand dollars that's put it all on television and will follow you around the state and so what's the message and I said there's a demand coming to your town. His name is Jimmy Carter. He's running for governor. They say he can't win. It's not up to them to decide who can win you decide decide. Who can win? Go see him talk to him. Find out what he has to say better yet. You tell them what you have to say. Silence in the room and the political science professor said this is a disaster. You'd never say you can't win and I said He's not number number one he's fourth. It's not the truth. That doesn't matter. I said well. Jimmy Jimmy's reaction all this chess. He's sitting there watching being made and he turned to them and said. Let me talk to this guy alone I said. And he said of. Don't argue with these folks folks. These are good folks and I need them. Now let's two year campaign. Oh and I fell in love because he believed in you. Yeah we follow around the state. We we shot footage in became a Carter trademark. He went to the factory gates. They went all over and then he called me a few months later and said we're GonNa do it again with me and of course I was the only job I could get in in. Journalism was the secretary secretary in the newsroom of the ABC affiliate in Atlanta. And they hired me right out right out of Duke I answered the phone cleaned. The film's emptied the trash and ultimately persuaded them that I really wanted report. Couldn't get a job there but was hired with a CBS station in Atlanta to cover over politics. The first assignment I had was covering the Henry. County fight over highways In Georgia but it wasn't not long after that that Jimmy Carter and others announce they this was nineteen seventy and Jimmy Carter and others announced. They were running for governor and and he had his journey. That wasn't the only assignment I had. I covered a lot. I was general assignment but that was where I first met Jimmy Carter. I watched him mount on the trail met Rosalyn. And you know really was captivated by the Carter Mystique. If you want to call it that did you get his sense for instance. He could go national that he was that kind of big time. Big League politician not then but but after he was elected shoe or by the end of that year and I I saw him in office and I saw how effective he was. I'm I know the point came watching him a deal with the Georgia legislature. And frankly he didn't have a lot of respect for most of them He worked with them but he essentially liked to tell them what to do and what he thought. But that's that was Jimmy. Carter people watched when he was governor. Jimmy Carter had bigger plans so did his closest advisers Hamilton Hamilton Jordan. Who ran the Carter Campaign Jerry raft soon and others took the lessons learned from the Georgia racist and put their heads together about the governor's chances in in a presidential run Iowa would be crucial to their national strategy? We told the governor. We wanted to come see him about his future car and he said Okay So. We got to the governor's mansion and we laid out. Why he had the advantage? The South had never had had a president for one hundred Twenty Years Union count. Johnson is at West right but also he did not get elected the first time. You're not a racist. You can be George Wallace in the South who went through the list of all things being a governor Watergate Watergate was going on and he says well. What do you guys want to do? And we said we'll come back and bring you a plan and running it all states. This is right after the Nixon sweep about govern one forty nine states. Yeah and he said okay. I'm GONNA do it. And the plan was beat Kennedy in the North in New Hampshire and be Wallace in Florida. As of this time here in the state that I love surrounded by friends of mine from all over the nation I liked announce that I am a candidate for president when he enhanced as for president. Did that surprise you. At the time he announced I knew he was. I knew for a little for a little bit of time that he was going to run. You had he would have have national politicians come to visit him. I remember Hubert Humphrey I just. I just remember a parade of Democrats coming through Atlanta. He was on the move. He was trying to be a player in National Democratic Party politics so we knew he had great ambition and the people around him. The young young guys is around him. Did what did you make. The remember headline of the Atlanta Journal Constitution said Jimmy. Who is running for what it's because the people people he didn't have everybody's respect? I mean a lot of first of all locally. A lot of people thought it was crazy for Georgian to run for president. I mean mean that. It just didn't compute here was a guy who had been a peanut farmer a yes sure he had had a progressive term in office But but where were the ingredients that we're going to propel him to the White House and it just it just didn't add up for president. Nineteen seventy four. It was a major headline them. Throw a gun jimmy running a what. Aw Class announced for president more than a year before Iowa. Judy Woodruff knew what he was up up against. She'd seen him run aground campaign for governor as the underdog outsider at the time she s the candidate about his approach for the seventy six campaign pain. There are still many people from outside the south. Apparently who are a little reluctant to accept the idea of US president from the south. How do you deal with that? I don't believe the sectional prejudice still exists out camping all the country. I probably travel more. Talk more and listen to more people and questions than any other human. Being this year I started my own campaign. I didn't have any political organization. Not much money nobody. Nobody knew who I was. We begin to go from one living room to another one labor hall to another up and down the streets back to shift lines barbershops Josh Good Polish restaurant shaking hand talking to people and Leslie when you saw his campaign style you talked about your first impression. He was very much. We call retailer or maybe one. The one I contact spend some time with a person. Bill Clinton was like that a lot of. We've met people that you think that would translate when you had to go national. I would love to tell you Chris that I knew that I had knew that he had some magic. What I knew was that? He was deeply ambitious organized. The people around him and that they had some kind of plan they weren't sharing it early on and you had to take them seriously. They were looking at the country they were looking at moving moving out and and figuring out a way to get it done. I didn't know that had no way of knowing we never gonNA win. But I knew that you couldn't just write these folks off. There's a new kind of credit card created by Apple. It's called Apple Card and it lives in your wallet APP and in Your Wallet. You can buy things with with apple pay or a laser etched titanium card. It sets a whole new level for privacy and security and it gives you daily cash back with every purchase. Oh and you can apply in minutes. Just open the wallet APP on your iphone tap the plus button to get started to learn more at checkout apple dot co slash. Get Apple Card available available for qualifying applicants in the United States issued by Goldman Sachs Bank. USA Salt Lake City branch. It was not until Johnny Apple New York Times when out in the countryside and our and talk to people you know teachers and policemen and and I guess bartenders and others and he sized up what we already knew about our and wrote a headline in The New York Times that the other reporters ever dreamed that I might coming I in our they look at me as coming in fifth or six because they very seldom we've got out of them on. They would stay there you know and enjoy themselves and talk to each other but he actually went out and and and got opinions from people around the state and he's any projected. I was GONNA win. Which I did was just amazed a lot of people and focused attention on me which is very beneficial? That was Jimmy Carter appearing on C. Span recently about the legendary New York Times reporter Johnny Apple Apple and others on the campaign trail were known as the boys on the bus. Jimmy Carter's Iowa's strategy was coming into focus. It was working and national reporters looked Judy Woodruff Adrift for insights on the underdogs approach to winning elections one voter and time. Those are the glory days of the boys in the bus. That's when you had the big names this Johnny Apple and Broder was just starting really allow them today. Take them seriously because you'd be bumping into them on the bus and elsewhere N.. Jim wooten well of course he he did. He wrote a book about it. He covered him new new a little bit better and there were some national reporters who had spent time in Atlanta and there were folks like bill ship. You know local Georgia reporters Atlanta Constitution. Who who knew more about him but even even they didn't have an idea that he was? I mean none of us could know that how far he was intimately GonNa go but we knew there was the ambition And and the rest of it But yeah I mean I remember talking to Johnny Apple to David The beloved Johnny. The beloved David Broder Early on Because they were curious about him they looked at him and saw. There was something something different but they were trying to figure out what is the. What's the secret ingredient here? And they did talk to us those of us who had covered him for a few years. You know to try to. Did you tell them judy. I mean I learned a lot from those guys. But you're right. They were looking to me a whole lot of other local reporters who had covered in him for some clues walls guilt around Washington. And we feel like we can't quite get through to guarantee the people of this country or government the sensitive to our needs. We can understand and control this competent competent well managed efficient economical purposeful and also government which we can be proud. Jimmy Carter a leader her for a change ads like this one. We're new for presidential campaigns. They showed the candidate on the campaign trail. They captured everything the handshakes six conversations the speeches Gerry Rafferty and his film crew pioneered the approach and turned their footage into into campaign ads for Iowa television. The Myth was you. Don't do television in Iowa. It's all on the ground beating eating working around the state but we had a guy riding around the state but it just happens that he was bit we brought her own television crew with them and shooting film Elm of him meeting people. Shaking as my name is Jimmy Carter and burning for president so it looked like if we could win Iowa we could. It would help us when New Hampshire. I'm sure why was it important. It Carter was known for shaking hands with lots of people. Thousands and thousands of people shake hands with staying overnight in their houses sleeping on their couches. That's right. Why was it important to do that on film? And what was the connection between him retailing as we say in politics and then you wholesaling it on television basically basically the same thing Carter shaken hands because it was bringing the message to all the people that he didn't shake hands. As with this is multiplying. It was multiplying and balanced budgets. I believe in screening limiting programs that are long past for that a useful. He was perfect on television but also we had spots of him talking about the issues. People were saying he wasn't talking about the issues so I did five minutes spots as I said I said if anybody spends five minutes with Jimmy. They're gonNA vote for her choice to be made between government private industry. If it's an equal choice I go to private industry. This is a kind of concept that is generally considered the conservative. But at the same time I believe and human being an equal opportunity and freedom and equality of opportunity. And I'll fight for if you agree. Read that government should be sent. You agree with Jimmy Carter on this issue. Vote for him. This comes you laughing. Because because gene McCarthy arthy Senator McCain who ran for president to what he said the way to become an issues candidate is the used. The word issues over. No I I did so. I'm running on the issues. I'm an issues candidate. His low as you say the word issues. The people think you're in issues candidate right. So Initiative Initiative candidate meeting people. Thank you very much. I also isn't Atlantic. You'll remember Jimmy Carter crisscrossed. This crossed Iowa. He was running against a big field. Before this year's campaign nineteen seventy six was the largest democratic field modern history. Carter's playbook dictated the importance of winning in Iowa. He did so by breaking away from that democratic pack the candidates were really not after delegates. It's here in Iowa what the candidates were after was a boost some momentum to carry them into the primary battles ahead and a big boost is exactly what Jimmy Carter got. The did you get to cover him on the ground And I would watch them doing that. Door to door hyphen. Some of it. I saw some of it in in the fall of seventy five When we spent a few days traveling the state with him driving around watching him interviewing people whose wear who had let him stay in their homes overnight who were completely smitten with Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter? It was like they were longtime friends. It was like the Jimmy Carter Magic. He just managed is to win people over. He worked it door to door person to person coffee group by Coffee Group. They knew who the key the Democrats were that they had to win over on the to their side and they D- they work. Those people really yard and those folks were already very loyal by the time I got there and what October of seventy those folks were already very loyal to him and talked about him like he was you know they. They knew he was. He's going to win political science question. Okay how did he distinguish himself from the Liberal Paki ran against without basically describing himself as not oughta liberal not a progressive. I think he was just very clever in the way he talked about it. I mean I'm sure there was some formula behind it. It was just conservative. -servative enough on some things and liberal enough on others that it worked and then there was the overlay of the personality. You know in the big toothy grin the hair kind of falling in his eye and You know the whole the whole story and the fact you know that he and Rosalyn didn't they didn't put on airs. I mean they were themselves elves and they and they never hid the fact that they were from plains Georgia small town. They weren't poor and they you know they didn't hide that they made the most that these were all the ingredients. Jimmy Carter Iowa playbook. I'm honest honest. I'm a former businessman and an engineer and a navy veteran. I'm not from Washington. I'm a little bit liberal and a a little bit conservative and it's nice to meet you. Carter took that message. Oliver Iowa voters bought it. Reporters took note on January nineteenth. Nineteen seventy six. The date for Iowa's caucuses. The Jimmy Carter playbook was put to the test Gerry. Rafferty and and others on the counter campaign. Were already pivoting to New Hampshire and beyond. Did you think you were going to win in Iowa. Yes and when you thought you were going to win. What did you plan well? Every all the candidates were going to Iowa for election for the night of that and we thought we were going to win so anyway so we decided that he would be in New York in the hotel watching it because I was before all the networks quirks picture of the today show and the other shows would going to Iowa. They didn't do that and so the results came in. We were undecided was first but of all the real people. Jimmy Carter was very much the winner and so the next morning. He was on the today show. And then you're headed to New Hampshire to New Hampshire. Here are the first political returns for the year. Nineteen seventy-six six yesterday about fifty thousand Democrats in Iowa met in caucuses in homes churches and fire houses to choose delegates for their state party convention. Most of them. We're still uncommitted thirty-seven percent but former Georgia governor. Jimmy Carter did extremely well with twenty seven percent of the delegate preferences. More than twice as many the Indiana Senator Birch by three times as many as Fred Harris the former Oklahoma Senator Carter was a new Hampshire today grinning from ear to ear. His victory yesterday was a great symbolic importance. There were those today who were using the word front runner to describe Carter. My name Jimmy Carter. And I'm running for president. Jimmy Carter went on to win the Democratic nomination. His Iowa playbook had wirt part. I asked about what it all means for candidates. Today I mean for me the big lesson is somebody can come out of nowhere or what appears to be nowhere air and win that Just because we don't know whoever it is in Washington and they don't they aren't connected to everybody we know. On Capitol Hill the press. They can still rock it. Make it to the top. Except for a couple of cases where Gephardt one out there and the local guy won there in ninety ninety. Two the winner wins it's an astounding meaning winning in Iowa. What do you think about that? I it's the first stop. It just seems to give a tremendous gust of wind behind whoever wins and every election people say. Oh It's not gonNA happen again you know surely a place like this can't be the bellwether all-weather for an election and it hasn't been for both parties. I mean we know the Republicans haven't haven't seen the you know their winters in Iowa haven't always gone on to win the nomination but it Chris. I think it's I think. Democrats really do want to fall in love with their nominee with their the the person they're going to vote for for President Iowa gives you a place to fall in love. You're going door to door people wanna meet you an in. Somebody's living room or kitchen around coffee the table at a coffee shop They WanNA shake your hand. They WanNa look you in the eye. You know it's got to be somebody who who believes believes what you believe but it also has to be somebody. You're personally comfortable with and Jimmy Carter managed to win there again in nineteen eighty against Ted Kennedy a total upset again and a friend of mine out there. Assessor WHO's working for Carter said well the last person leaving des Moines. Please turn out the lights his name. Let me ask you the last question. Can you skip Iowa and win the dominates the Democratic Party. I wish I were smart enough to tell you the answer Chris I th. I think it's very tough but I don't. I don't rule anything out. I think we are in a different moment right now. With with President Trump. He's somebody is you know you know very well who generates incredible loyalty and incredible distrust and dislike and worse it is. It is hard to imagine how somebody who hasn't laid the groundwork who hasn't been asked this day after day after day and put in the you know the the hard hard labor in Iowa and New Hampshire and the other states is GonNa make it but if these candidates don't look strong coming out of these early contests. I could see the possibility that the voters take a look and say okay. What does this guy have to offer? So it's a maybe I'm judy woodruff. WHO had a front row seat Jimmy? Carter's win in Iowa today. She's anchor and managing editor the PBS news out Gerry. Rafferty ran advertising for Jimmy Carter in Iowa and went on to direct communications in the Carter White House. So you WANNA be president. Here's a preview of less than two year after year. Voters want to see if candidates. This can show some spontaneity something beyond the talking points the delights Iran in. Somebody's home you know one of the parts of politics that we forget about. Is You have to show that you are on an even Keel your well-balanced you get the joke you're good natured. We may give you the nuclear codes someday if you win. We'll explain next time. I'm Chris Matthews with hardball on MSNBC Z.. Thanks so much for listening. You WANNA BE President. I've watched many candidates ran for their party's nomination but only a few knew how to get it. Hey for this microphone. My podcast is about what it takes to get the nomination. Six episodes six timeless themes that separate the few winners from the many losers the hope still lives and the dream shall never die. So you WANNA be President with Chris Matthews and M._S._N._B._C.. PODCAST searched now wherever you're listening and subscribe. I two episodes available now.

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INTRODUCING: So You Wanna Be President? with Chris Matthews

AM Joy

32:49 min | 1 year ago

INTRODUCING: So You Wanna Be President? with Chris Matthews

"Hi everybody it's Chris Matthews host of the new. MSNBC PODCAST say you want to be president. It's about the lessons learned from campaigns. That got their across six episodes. I talked talk to campaign veterans about six timeless themes that separate the winners from the losers. You can stay right here and listen to the first episode and to get the entire series search search for president wherever you're listening right now and subscribe friends delegates and fellow Americans. I accept your nomination. So you WANNA be president. I'm Chris Matty some hardball on MSNBC. I've watched so many people run for their party party nomination but only a few who had to get it Madam Chairwoman and let's I have a privilege given few Americans for all those who believe that our best days are ahead of us. I proudly only accept your nomination. WanNa be president. This show is about what you have to do to get your nomination. These are the lessons learned from campaigns. That win six episodes six timeless things that separate winners from losers I'll be joined by campaign veteran some have had front row seats to the most important moments. In presidential campaign. History will break down. What work for some candidates candidates and what didn't for others see you want to be president? These lessons can help stick around every night. Local police departments across America received hundreds of calls from burglar alarms the vast majority of the time they have no idea whether the alarm Israel all the alarm company can tell them is the motion sensor went off. simplisafe home security is different. And it's why I love it if there's a break in simply safe uses real video evidence to give police. He's an eyewitness account of the crime that means police dispatch up to three hundred fifty percent faster than for a normal burglar alarm. You get comprehensive protection for your entire home. MM outdoor cameras and doorbells alerted anyone approaching your home. Entry motion and glass break sensors guard inside plus simply safe protect your home from fires water damage and carbon monoxide poisoning. You can set up your system yourself. No tools needed or simply safe can do it for you. And it's only fifty cents a day with no contracts visit simplisafe simplisafe dot com slash. So you WANNA you'll get free shipping and a sixty day risk-free trial. You've got nothing to lose. Go now and be sure to go to SIMPLISAFE DOT COM Slash so you WANNA so they know our show sent you that simplisafe dot com slash. So you WANNA so you WANNA be president. I'm Chris Matthews from hardball on. MSNBC lesson one win Iowa it's the most astounding thing win Iowa and it's nearly a lock you'll get your party's nomination for the Democrats nine eleven nominees one Iowa on the Republican side. More than half. The Iowa caucuses are America's first battleground ground winning their means. You get America's attention you stand out for voters inside a national spotlight as the election counter races onto New Hampshire and beyond John. Kennedy's haven't always thought winning. I was worth it. The first is so its value. Was Jimmy mccarter. He put the Iowa caucuses on the map on asking me the next night. I'm running for president. Did that thank the much in nineteen seventy five in one thousand nine hundred seventy six. Jimmy Carter went all in in Iowa. He needed to outside the south. Georgia governor was unknown to most people and he's up against a crowded more established field to win an Iowa. Jimmy Carter champion. Something called retail politics. He took his underdog Oh campaign to the people giving me. I won't Sheila Hi. I'm giving a funny shooting film of Him. Meeting people people shaking hands by name. Is Jimmy Carter burning for president Jerry. RAPP Shin was part of Jimmy Carter's campaigns in the early days. I for Georgia governor then for the White White House Jerry. Random film shoots created all the campaign ads and was part of the team who dreamed up winning Iowa Strategy. It look life if we get all the national attention who would all be director. Ken This guy. Do it again in New Hampshire. It was very clear that they were working the state and had it all mapped out. Judy Woodruff also watched him Carter in his early days as a politician. Did you know her. Today is anchoring Managing Editor for the PBS Newshour in the Early Nineteen Seventy S. She was a rookie journalist working in Atlanta I had just just gone to work for NBC. And I started telling my my bosses at NBC. You gotta pay attention to this Governor Carter and they looked at me like I had a hole in my head the freedom prejudice. Because you are. I am apart prejudice. I'm GonNa Michio Jimmy Carter. Was You know obviously thing not a creature of Washington not somebody who they thought you know. They thought thick southern accent. Who who does he think he is and I kept saying to them? You know you really need to pay attention to this guy. He's going somewhere judy. Woodruff was right. Jimmy Carter playbook look we go on to become less than one for campaigns win Iowa with retail politics. Climb inside the national spotlight and hanging there all the wait the nomination roots of Jimmy. Carter's playbook and I would took shape long before his presidential run John. Carter was then a first time candidate for Georgia governor. He was up against some big time politicians. He needed. Help Jerry we wrap. Shane was young advertising executive in Atlanta. A friend offered him a job on the Carter campaign fellow by name. Hal Gulliver who was editor. It became editor around the constitution. Said Jerry You ought to do Jimmy. Carter's campaign you ought to do the advertising. He's a friend of mine. Nine and I said how I can't do that. I just start the advertising agency but then I was driving my car down down peach tree on a Saturday and I heard a commercial come on the air and it was country and western singer singing. enghien Jimmy Carter is name. Jimmy Carter is name. Jimmy Carter is the number one for governor. I almost went off the road. I went to a filling station and I called Gulliver and I said he your friend Carter needs help. He's told you why don't you just tell them to take the damn jingle off. I'm not going to. That's free advice. So the following Monday night I was babysitting. My wife was out and Gulliver calls me up and says Carta just fired Ziad Guy. And he's got sixty thousand dollars. There's to spend the pronoun the camp of silly election which is two months away and wants to know how you're going to spend that so I go up and the a headquarters was a suite at the plaza. Hotel were all politicos. Hung out the door opens and in walks. This Guy Jimmy mccarter and he's with three people and so they said well. What have you got? I said well you need to do away with all your billboards boards and you've got sixty thousand dollars that's put it all on television and will follow you around the state and so what's the message and I said there's a demand coming to your town. His name is Jimmy Carter. He's running for governor. They say he can't win. It's not up to them to decide who can win you decide decide. Who can win? Go see him talk to him. Find out what he has to say better yet. You tell them what you have to say. Silence in the room and the political science professor said this is a disaster. You'd never say you can't win and I said He's not number number one he's fourth. It's not the truth. That doesn't matter. I said well. Jimmy Jimmy's reaction all this chess. He's sitting there watching being made and he turned to them and said. Let me talk to this guy alone I said. And he said of. Don't argue with these folks folks. These are good folks and I need them. Now let's two year campaign. Oh and I fell in love because he believed in you. Yeah we follow around the state. We we shot footage in became a Carter trademark. He went to the factory gates. They went all over and then he called me a few months later and said we're GonNa do it again with me and of course I was the only job I could get in in. Journalism was the secretary secretary in the newsroom of the ABC affiliate in Atlanta. And they hired me right out right out of Duke I answered the phone cleaned. The film's emptied the trash and ultimately persuaded them that I really wanted report. Couldn't get a job there but was hired with a CBS station in Atlanta to cover over politics. The first assignment I had was covering the Henry. County fight over highways In Georgia but it wasn't not long after that that Jimmy Carter and others announce they this was nineteen seventy and Jimmy Carter and others announced. They were running for governor and and he had his journey. That wasn't the only assignment I had. I covered a lot. I was general assignment but that was where I first met Jimmy Carter. I watched him mount on the trail met Rosalyn. And you know really was captivated by the Carter Mystique. If you want to call it that did you get his sense for instance. He could go national that he was that kind of big time. Big League politician not then but but after he was elected shoe or by the end of that year and I I saw him in office and I saw how effective he was. I'm I know the point came watching him a deal with the Georgia legislature. And frankly he didn't have a lot of respect for most of them He worked with them but he essentially liked to tell them what to do and what he thought. But that's that was Jimmy. Carter people watched when he was governor. Jimmy Carter had bigger plans so did his closest advisers Hamilton Hamilton Jordan. Who ran the Carter Campaign Jerry raft soon and others took the lessons learned from the Georgia racist and put their heads together about the governor's chances in in a presidential run Iowa would be crucial to their national strategy? We told the governor. We wanted to come see him about his future car and he said Okay So. We got to the governor's mansion and we laid out. Why he had the advantage? The South had never had had a president for one hundred Twenty Years Union count. Johnson is at West right but also he did not get elected the first time. You're not a racist. You can be George Wallace in the South who went through the list of all things being a governor Watergate Watergate was going on and he says well. What do you guys want to do? And we said we'll come back and bring you a plan and running it all states. This is right after the Nixon sweep about govern one forty nine states. Yeah and he said okay. I'm GONNA do it. And the plan was beat Kennedy in the North in New Hampshire and be Wallace in Florida. As of this time here in the state that I love surrounded by friends of mine from all over the nation I like to announce that I am a candidate for president when he enhanced as for president. Did that surprise you. At the time he announced I knew he was. I knew for a little for a little bit of time that he was going to run. You had he would have have national politicians come to visit him. I remember Hubert Humphrey I just. I just remember a parade of Democrats coming through Atlanta. He was on the move. He was trying to be a player in National Democratic Party politics so we knew he had great ambition and the people around him. The young young guys is around him. Did what did you make. The remember headline of the Atlanta Journal Constitution said Jimmy. Who is running for what it's because the people people he didn't have everybody's respect? I mean a lot of first of all locally. A lot of people thought it was crazy for Georgian to run for president. I mean mean that. It just didn't compute here was a guy who had been a peanut farmer a yes sure he had had a progressive term in office But but where were the ingredients that we're going to propel him to the White House and it just it just didn't add up for president. Nineteen seventy four. It was a major headline them. Throw a gun jimmy running a what. Aw Class announced for president more than a year before Iowa. Judy Woodruff knew what he was up up against. She'd seen him run aground campaign for governor as the underdog outsider at the time she s the candidate about his approach for the seventy six campaign pain. There are still many people from outside the south. Apparently who are a little reluctant to accept the idea of US president from the south. How do you deal with that? I don't believe the sectional prejudice still exists out camping all the country. I probably travel more. Talk more and listen to more people and questions than any other human. Being this year I started my own campaign. I didn't have any political organization. Not much money nobody. Nobody knew who I was. We begin to go from one living room to another one labor hall to another up and down the streets back to shift lines barbershops Josh Good Polish restaurant shaking hand talking to people and Leslie when you saw his campaign style you talked about your first impression. He was very much. We call retailer or maybe one. The one I contact spend some time with a person. Bill Clinton was like that a lot of. We've met people that you think that would translate when you had to go national. I would love to tell you Chris that I knew that I had knew that he had some magic. What I knew was that? He was deeply ambitious organized. The people around him and that they had some kind of plan they weren't sharing it early on and you had to take them seriously. They were looking at the country they were looking at moving moving out and and figuring out a way to get it done. I didn't know that had no way of knowing we never gonNA win. But I knew that you couldn't just write these folks off. There's a new kind of credit card created by Apple. It's called Apple Card and it lives in your wallet APP and in Your Wallet. You can buy things with apple pay or a laser etched titanium card. It's a whole new level for privacy and security and it gives you daily cash back with every purchase. Oh and you can apply in minutes. Just open the wallet APP on your iphone and tap the plus button to get started to learn more checkout apple dot com slash. Get Apple Card available for qualifying applicants in the United States issued by Goldman Sachs Bank. USA Salt Lake City branch. It was not until Johnny Apple New York Times when out out in the countryside and our and talk to people you know teachers and policemen and bartenders and others and he sized up what we already knew about our and wrote a headline in The New York Times. Did the other reporters ever dreamed that I might come in I in our they were looking at me as coming in fifth six Because they very seldom out of Des Moines they would stay there you know and enjoy themselves and talk to each other but he actually went out out and and And Got Opinion People under state and he and he projected that. I was going to win which I did was just amazed a lot of people and focused attention on me which is very very beneficial. That was Jimmy Carter appearing on C. Span recently about the legendary New York Times reporter Johnny Apple Apple and others on the campaign trail were known says the boys on the bus Jimmy Carter's Iowa's strategy was coming into focus was working. A national reporters looked judy woodruff for insights on on the underdogs approach to winning elections one voter and time. Those were the glory days of the boys and the bus. That's when you had the big names Johnny Apple and Broda Research. I just starting really allow them today. Take them seriously because you'd be bumping into them on the bus now swear end. Jim wooten horse and he did cover. He wrote a book about he had covered him new at new a little bit better and there were some national reporters who had spent time in Atlanta and there were folks like bill ship. You know local Georgia reporters Atlanta the constitution. Who who knew more about him but even even they didn't have an idea that he was? I mean none of us could know that how far he was ultimately going to go. But we knew there was the ambition And and the rest of it But yeah I mean I remember talking to Johnnie Apple to David the beloved Johnny. The beloved David Broder Early on Because they were curious about him they looked at him and saw. There was something different but they were trying to figure out what is the. What's the secret ingredient here? And they did talk to us those of us who have covered him for a few years. You know to try to tell Judy I mean I learned a lot from those guys. But you're right. They were looking to me in a whole lot of other local reporters who had covered him for some clues whose walls built around Washington. And we feel like we can't quite get through to guarantee the people of this country government the sensitive to our needs. We can understand control. This competent well managed officiant economical and also a government office. We can be proud. Jimmy Carter a leader for a change ads like this. When we're new for presidential campaigns? They showed the candidate on the campaign trail. They captured everything the handshakes the conversations the speeches Jerry raft and his film crew pioneered the approach and turned their footage into campaign ads for Iowa television. The Myth was you. Don't do television in Iowa. It's all on the ground beating. Weren't around the state where we had a guy running around the state but it just happens that he was we brought her own television crew with them and shooting film of him meeting people shaking. As by name. Is Jimmy. Carter burning for president so it looked like if we could win Iowa we could. It would help us when New Hampshire. So why was it important. The Carter was known for shaking hands with a lots of people. Thousands of thousand people shaking hands with staying overnight in their houses sleeping on their couches. And that's right. Why was it important to do that on film? And what was the connection between him retailing as we say in politics and then you wholesaling it on television basically the same thing. Carter shaken hands because it was bringing the message to all the people that he didn't shake hands with uh-huh multiplying it was multiplying. I believe in balanced budgets. I believe in screening out all eliminating programs that are long past serve that useful. He was the perfect on television but also we had spots of him talking about the issues. People were saying wasn't talking about the issues so I did five minutes spots as I said I I said if anybody can spend five minutes with Jimmy they're gonNA vote for choice to be made between government private industry if it's an equal choice. I go with a private. This is a kind of concept that is generally considered the conservative. But at the same time I believe believe in human being an equal opportunity and freedom and equality of opportunity. And I'll fight for if you agree. That government should be sent view. Agree with Jimmy Carter on this issue. Vote for him. You know where this comes flying you laughing. Because because gene McCarthy Senator McCall who ran for president he said the way to become an issues candidate is the use the word issues over. No he said and say I'm running on the issues. I'm issues candidate as low as you say. The word issues issues candidate right so issues candidate going around grab meeting people. I also Atlantic area. You'll remember Jimmy Carter. Chris crushed Iowa. He was running thing against a big field. Before this year's campaign nineteen seventy six was the largest democratic field modern history. Carter's playbook dictated the importance of winning in Iowa. He did so by breaking away from the Democratic Pack. The candidates were really not after delegates here in Iowa what the candidates were after was a boost some momentum to carry them into the primary battles ahead and a big boost is exactly what Jimmy Carter got here did you get to cover him on the ground. I would watch them doing that door to door some of it. I saw some of it in in the fall of seventy five When we spent a few today's traveling the state with him driving around watching him interviewing people whose who had let him stay in their homes overnight who were completely completely smitten with Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter? It was like they were longtime friends. It was like the Jimmy Carter Magic. He just managed to win people Over he worked it door to door person to person coffee group by Coffee Group. They knew who the key Democrats were that they had to win over on their to their side and they had they work. Those people really are and those folks were already very loyal oil. By the time I got there and Tober those folks were already very loyal to him and talked about him like he was you know they. They knew he was GONNA win political. Oh science question okay. How did he distinguish himself from the liberal? Paki run against without Basically describing himself as not a liberal progressive. I think he was just very clever in the way he talked about it. I mean I'm sure there was some formula behind it. It was just conservative enough on some and things and liberal enough on others that it worked and then there was the overlay of the personality. You know in the big toothy grin and the hair falling in his eye and The whole the whole story and the fact you know that he and Rosalyn didn't they didn't put on airs. I mean they were themselves and they and they they never hid the fact that they were from plains Georgia small town. They weren't war and they they didn't hide that they made the most of that These were all the ingredients of the Jimmy. Carter Iowa playbook I'm honest I'm a former former businessman. An engineer and a navy veteran. I'm not from Washington a little bit liberal and a little bit conservative. It's nice to meet you. Carter took that message. Oliver Iowa voters reporters took note on January nineteenth in one thousand nine hundred. Seventy six the date. For Iowa's caucuses the Jimmy Carter. Playbook was put to the test Jerry Ramzan and others on the counter campaign campaign. We're already pivoting to New Hampshire and beyond. Did you think you were going to win Iowa. Yes and when you thought you'RE GONNA win. And what did you plan well. Every all the candidates were going to Iowa for election for the night of that and we thought we were going to win anyway so nope we decided that he would be in New York and the hotel watching it because I was before all the networks for the today show and the other shows would going to Iowa. They didn't do that and so the results came in. We were undecided was first but of all the real people. Jimmy Carter was very much the winner and so the next morning. He was on the today show. And then you head it New Hampshire. And it's a New Hampshire. Here are the first political returns for the year Nineteen seventy-six yesterday about fifty thousand Democrats in Iowa caucuses in homes churches and fire houses to choose delegates for their state party convention. Most of them are still uncommitted. Thirty seven percent but former Georgia governor. Jimmy Carter did extremely well with twenty seven percent of the delegate preferences. More than twice as many as Indiana Senator Birch Verge Bhai and three times as many as Fred Harris. The former Oklahoma Senator Carter was in New Hampshire today grinning from ear to ear. His victory yesterday was was of great symbolic importance. There were those today. who were using the words front runner to describe Carter? My name is Jimmy Carter and I'm running. The president. Jimmy Carter went on the win. The Democratic nomination is Iowa playbook had worked. I asked duty woodruff about what it all means candidates today I mean for me the big lesson somebody can come out of nowhere or what appears to be nowhere and win that Just because we don't know whoever it is in Washington and they don't they aren't connected to everybody we know on Capitol Hill and in the press. They they can still rocket make it to the top except for a couple of cases were Gephardt one out there. In the local guy won there. In Ninety two the winner wins it's an astounding meaning winning in Iowa. What do you think it is about that I? It's the first stop. It just seems to give of a tremendous gust of wind behind over wins and every election. People say oh. It's not going to happen again. You know surely a place like this can't be the bellwether for an election election and it hasn't been for both parties. I mean we know. The Republicans haven't haven't seen the you know their winters in Iowa haven't always gone on to win the nomination nomination but it Chris. I think it's I think. Democrats really do want to fall in love with their nominee with their the person they're gonNA vote for for president in Iowa gives you a place to fall in love. You're going door to door. People want to meet you in A in. Somebody's living room or kitchen or around a coffee table able at coffee shop They WanNA shake your hand. They WanNa look you in the eye. You know it's got to be somebody who who believes what you believe okay but it also has to be somebody. You're personally comfortable with and Jimmy Carter managed to win there again in nineteen eighty against Ted Kennedy a total upset again and a friend. The mine out there at gesture WHO's working for Carter said well the last person leaving des Moines. Please turn out the lights here. He's still around. Let me ask you the last question. Can you skip Iowa and win dominate Democratic Party. I wish I was smart enough to tell you the answer Chris. I I think think it's very tough but I don't. I don't rule anything out. I think we are in a different moment right now. With with President Trump. He's somebody is you know very well l.. Who generates incredible loyalty and incredible distrust and dislike and worse? It is hard hard to imagine how somebody who hasn't laid the groundwork who hasn't been at this day after day after day and put in the. You know the the hard labor in Iowa in New Hampshire and the other states is going to make it but if these candidates don't look strong coming out of these early contests. I could see the possibility that the voters take a look and say okay. What does this guy have to offer? So it's a maybe judy woodruff. WHO had a front front row seat to Jimmy? Carter's win in Iowa today. She's anchor and managing editor the PBS news L.. Jerry raft soon ran advertising for Jimmy. Jimmy Carter in Iowa and went on direct communications in the Carter White House so you want to be president. Here's a preview of less than two year after year. Voters want to see if candidates can show some spontaneity. Eddie something beyond the talking points the lights are on and somebody's home. You know one of the parts of politics that we forget about is you have to show that you are on an even Keel your well-balanced you get the joke you're good natured. We may give you the the nuclear codes someday if you win. We'll explain next time. I'm Chris Matthews Hardball on MSNBC. Thanks so much much for listening. Hey It's Chris as this week on my podcast wise is happening. I'll be talking with sports. Writer Howard Bryant and talk about the Astros cheating scandal which is wild. Why Colin Kaepernick apper? Next still isn't playing in the N._F._l.. And the intersection of race and Sports in Donald Trump's America. That's this week. I'm why is this happening available now. Wherever you're listening to this podcast?

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You get America's attention you stand out for voters inside a national spotlight as the election counter races onto New Hampshire and beyond John. Kennedy's haven't always thought winning. I was worth it. The first is so its value. Was Jimmy mccarter. He put the Iowa caucuses on the map on asking me the next night. I'm running for president. Did that thank the much in nineteen seventy five in one thousand nine hundred seventy six. Jimmy Carter went all in in Iowa. He needed to outside the south. Georgia governor was unknown to most people and he's up against a crowded more established field to win an Iowa. Jimmy Carter champion. Something called retail politics. He took his underdog Oh campaign to the people giving me. I won't Sheila Hi. I'm giving a funny shooting film of Him. Meeting people people shaking hands by name. Is Jimmy Carter burning for president Jerry. RAPP Shin was part of Jimmy Carter's campaigns in the early days. I for Georgia governor then for the White White House Jerry. Random film shoots created all the campaign ads and was part of the team who dreamed up winning Iowa Strategy. It look life if we won Iowa. We'd get all the national attention. Who would all director Ken? This guy do it again in New Hampshire. It was very clear that they were working the state and had it all mapped out. Judy Woodruff also watched him Carter in his early days as a politician. Did you know her. Today is anchoring Managing Editor for the PBS Newshour in the Early Nineteen Seventy S. She was a rookie journalist working in Atlanta I had just just gone to work for NBC. And I started telling my my bosses at NBC. You gotta pay attention to this Governor Carter and they looked at me like I had a hole in my head the freedom prejudice. Because you are. I am apart prejudice. I'm GonNa Michio Jimmy Carter. Was You know obviously thing not a creature of Washington not somebody who they thought you know. They thought thick southern accent. Who who does he think he is and I kept saying to them? You know you really need to pay attention to this guy. He's going somewhere judy. Woodruff was right. Jimmy Carter playbook doc would go onto become less than one for campaigns win Iowa with retail politics. Climb inside the national spotlight and hanging there all the wait the nomination roots of Jimmy. Carter's playbook and I would took shape long before his presidential run John. Carter was then a first time candidate for Georgia governor. He was up against some big time politicians. He needed. Help Jerry we wrap. Shane was young advertising executive in Atlanta. A friend offered him a job on the Carter campaign fellow by name. Hal Gulliver who was editor. It became editor around the constitution. Said Jerry You ought to do Jimmy. Carter's campaign you ought to do the advertising. He's a friend of mine. Nine and I said how I can't do that. I just start the advertising agency but then I was driving my car down down peach tree on a Saturday and I heard a commercial come on the air and it was country and western singer singing. enghien Jimmy Carter is name. Jimmy Carter is name. Jimmy Carter is the number one for governor. I almost went off the road. I went to a filling station and I called Gulliver and I said he your friend Carter needs help. He's told you why don't you just tell them to take the damn jingle off. I'm not going to. That's free advice. So the following Monday night I was babysitting. My wife was out and Gulliver calls me up and says Carta just fired Ziad Guy. And he's got sixty thousand dollars. There's to spend the pronoun the camp of silly election which is two months away and wants to know how you're going to spend that so I go up and the a headquarters was a suite at the plaza. Hotel were all politicos. Hung out the door opens and in walks. This Guy Jimmy mccarter and he's with three people and so they said well. What have you got? I said well you need to do away with all your billboards boards and you've got sixty thousand dollars that's put it all on television and will follow you around the state and so what's the message and I said there's a demand coming to your town. His name is Jimmy Carter. He's running for governor. They say he can't win. It's not up to them to decide who can win you decide decide. Who can win? Go see him talk to him. Find out what he has to say better yet. You tell them what you have to say. Silence in the room and the political science professor said this is a disaster. You'd never say you can't win and I said He's not number number one he's fourth. It's not the truth. That doesn't matter. I said well. Jimmy Jimmy's reaction all this chess. He's sitting there watching being made and he turned to them and said. Let me talk to this guy alone I said. And he said of. Don't argue with these folks folks. These are good folks and I need them. Now let's two year campaign. Oh and I fell in love because he believed in you. Yeah we follow around the state. We we shot footage in became a Carter trademark. He went to the factory gates. They went all over and then he called me a few months later and said we're GonNa do it again with me and of course I was the only job I could get in. Journalism was the secretary secretary in the newsroom of the ABC affiliate in Atlanta. And they hired me right out right out of Duke I answered the phone cleaned. The film's emptied the trash and ultimately persuaded them that I really wanted report. Couldn't get a job there but was hired with a CBS station in Atlanta to cover over politics. The first assignment I had was covering the Henry. County fight over highways In Georgia but it wasn't not long after that that Jimmy Carter and others announce they this was nineteen seventy and Jimmy Carter and others announced. They were running for governor and and he had his journey. That wasn't the only assignment I had. I covered a lot. I was general assignment but that was where I first met Jimmy Carter. I watched him mount on the trail met Rosalyn. And you know really was captivated by the Carter Mystique. If you want to call it that did you get his sense for instance. He could go national that he was that kind of big time. Big League politician not then but but after he was elected shoe or by the end of that year and I I saw him in office and I saw how effective it was. I'm I know the point came watching him a deal with the Georgia legislature. And frankly he didn't have a lot of respect for most of them He worked with them but he essentially liked to tell them what to do and what he thought. But that's that was Jimmy. Carter people watched when he was governor. Jimmy Carter had bigger plans so did his closest advisers Hamilton Hamilton Jordan. Who ran the Carter Campaign Jerry raft soon and others took the lessons learned from the Georgia racist and put their heads together about the governor's chances in in a presidential run Iowa would be crucial to their national strategy? We told the governor. We wanted to come see him about his future car and he said Okay So. We got to the governor's mansion and we laid out. Why he had the advantage? The South had never had had a president for one hundred and Twenty Years Union count. Johnson is at West right but also he did not get elected the first time. You're not a racist. You can be George Wallace in the South who went through the list of all things being a governor Watergate Watergate was going on and he says well. What do you guys want to do? And we said we'll come back and bring you a plan and running it all states. This is right after the Nixon sweep about govern one forty nine states. Yeah and he said okay. I'm GONNA do it. And the plan was beat Kennedy in the North in New Hampshire and be Wallace in Florida. As of this time here in the state that I love surrounded by friends of mine from all over the nation I liked announce that I am a candidate for president when he enhanced as for president. Did that surprise you. At the time he announced I knew he was. I knew for a little for a little bit of time that he was going to run you. He would have have national politicians come to visit him. I remember Hubert Humphrey I just. I just remember a parade of Democrats coming through Atlanta. He was on the move. He was trying to be a player in National Democratic Party politics so we knew he had great ambition and the people around him. The young young guys is around him. Did what did you make. The remember headline of the Atlanta Journal Constitution said Jimmy. Who is running for what it's because the people people he didn't have everybody's respect? I mean a lot of first of all locally. A lot of people thought it was crazy for Georgian to run for president. I mean mean that. It just didn't compute here was a guy who had been a peanut farmer a yes sure he had had a progressive term in office But but where were the ingredients that we're going to propel him to the White House and it just it just didn't add up for president. Nineteen seventy four. It was a major headline them. Throw a gun jimmy running a what. Aw Class announced for president more than a year before Iowa. Judy Woodruff knew what he was up up against. She'd seen him run aground campaign for governor as the underdog outsider at the time she s the candidate about his approach for the seventy six campaign pain. There are still many people from outside the south. Apparently who are a little reluctant to accept the idea of US president from the south. How do you deal with that? I don't believe the sectional prejudice still exists out camping all the country. I probably travel more. Talk more and listen to more people and questions than any other human. Being this year I started my own campaign. I didn't have any political organization. Not much money nobody. Nobody knew who I was. We begin to go from one living room to another one labor hall to another up and down the streets back to shift lines barbershops Josh Good Polish restaurant shaking hand talking to people and Leslie when you saw his campaign style you talked about your first impression. He was very much. We call retailer or maybe one. The one I contact spend some time with a person. Bill Clinton was like that a lot of. We've met people that you think that would translate when you had to go national. I would love to tell you Chris that I knew that I had knew that he had some magic. What I knew was that? He was deeply ambitious organized. The people around him and that they had some kind of plan they weren't sharing it early on and you had to take them seriously. 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Let it be your spark for new ideas throughout twenty twenty for free print copy of the economist. Just text. MJ pod odd. All one word to nine nine zero zero zero one more time text. MJ pod all one word to nine nine zero zero zero for your free print copy of the economist. It was not until Johnny Apple New York Times when out in the countryside in our and talk ought to people you know teachers and policemen and and I guess bartenders and others and he sized up but we are in new about our enrolled headline in the New York Times that the other reporters ever dreamed that I might come in I in our they were looking at me coming in fifth or six Because Jose very seldom got out of De Moines they would say they're you know enjoy themselves and talk to each other but he actually went out in in and got opinions from people around the state and he's and he projected that I was GonNa win which I did was just amazed. A lot of people focused attention on me. which is very beneficial? I was Jimmy Carter appearing on C. Span recently the about the legendary New York Times reporter Johnny Apple Apple and others on the campaign trail were known as the boys on the bus. Jimmy Carter's Iowa's strategy was coming coming into focus. It was working and national reporters looked judy woodruff for insights on the underdogs approach to winning elections one voter at a time time. Those are the glory days of the boys in the bus. That's when you had the big names. Johnny Apple and Broder was just starting really allow them today. Take them seriously because you'd be bumping bumping into them on the bus and elsewhere N.. Jim Wooten of course he did cover. He wrote a book about it. He had covered him knew it knew him a little bit better. And there were some national reporters. Here's who spent time in Atlanta and there were folks like bill ship. You know local Georgia reporters Atlanta Constitution. Who who knew more about him but even even even they didn't have an idea that he was none of us could know that how far he was ultimately going to go but we knew there was the ambition and and and the rest of it But yeah I mean I remember talking to Johnny Apple to David The beloved Johnny. The beloved David Broder Early on on Because they were curious about him they looked at him and saw. There was something different but they were trying to figure out what is the. What's the secret ingredient here and they? I did talk to us. Those of us who covered him for a few years. You know to try to judy. I mean I learned a lot from those guys is but you're right. They were looking to me and a whole lot of other local reporters who had covered him. I some clues. Walls built around Washington Ashington and we feel like we can't quite get through to guarantee the people of this country a government that sensitive who are needs we can understand and control this competent well managed efficient economical purposeful and also a the government which we can be proud. Jimmy Carter a leader for a change ads like this one. We're new for presidential campaigns. They showed the candidate on the campaign trail. They captured everything the handshakes the conversations the speeches Jerry raft option and his film crew pioneered the approach and turned their footage into campaign ads for Iowa television. The Myth was you. Don't do television. Listen in Iowa. It's all on the ground beating. Weren't around the state where we had a guy riding around the state but it just happens that he was week week brought her own television crew with them and shooting film of Him. Meeting people shaking hands by name Jimmy Carter. I'm running for president so all it looked like if we could win Iowa we could. It would help us when New Hampshire. So why was it important. It Carter was known for shaking hands with lots the people thousands and thousands of people shake. It has with staying overnight in their houses sleeping on their couches. That's right why was it important to do that on film. And what was the connection between him retailing. Young as we say in politics and then you wholesaling it on television basically the same thing Carter shaken hands because it was bringing the message to all the people that he didn't shake hands with this multiplying. It was multiplying. I believe in balanced Budgets I believe in screening limiting programs. That are long past for that useful. He was perfect on television but also we had spots of him talking about the issue. People were saying he wasn't talking about the issues so I did five minutes spots as I said I said if anybody spends five minutes with Jimmy. They're gonNA vote for for olive. That one is a choice to be made between government private industry. It's an equal choice. I go with a private industry. This is a kind of concept and Steph that is generally considered to be conservative but at the same time I believe and human being an equal opportunity and freedom inequality of opportunity. And I'll fight for it. If you agree that government should be sent. You agree with Jimmy Carter on this issue. Vote both for him. You know where this comes you laughing. Because because gene McCarthy Senator McCain who ran for president he said the way to become an issues it was candidate is the use the word issue over. No he said I'm running on the issues. I'm issues candidate. His lawyer as you say the word issues that people think you're issues candidate right so this was an issue candidate meeting people. Thank you very much Atlantic. You'll remember Jimmy Carter crisscrossed Iowa. He was running against a big field. Before this year's campaign nineteen and seventy six was the largest democratic field modern history. Carter's playbook dictated the importance of winning in Iowa. He did so by breaking away from that democratic pack the candidates were really not after delegates here in Iowa what the candidates were after was a boost some momentum to carry them into the primary battles ahead and a big boost is exactly what Jimmy Carter got here did you get to cover him on the ground And I would watch them doing that. Door to door. You're hype. Did some of it. I saw some of it in in the fall of seventy five When we spent a few days traveling the state with him driving around watching watching him interviewing people who's where who had let him stay in their homes overnight who were completely smitten with Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter? It was like they were longtime. I'm friends it was like the Jimmy Carter Magic. He just managed to win people over. He worked it door to door person to person Jason Coffee Group by Coffee Group. They knew who the key Democrats were that they had to win. Over on their to their side and they had They work those people really are and those folks were already very loyal by the time I got there and what October seven those folks were already very loyal loyalty him and talked about him like he was you know they. They knew he was GonNa win. Political Science Question. Okay how did he distinguish himself from the Liberal Paki ran against without basically describing himself as not a liberal progressive. I think he was just very clever in the way he talked about it. I mean I'm sure there was some formula behind it. It was just conservative enough on some things and liberal enough on others that it worked and then there was the the overlay of the personality. You know in the big toothy grin and the hair kind of falling in his eye and You know the whole the whole story and the fact you I know that he and Rosalyn. Didn't you know they didn't put on airs. I mean they were themselves and they and they never hid the fact that they were from plains Georgia small town town. They weren't poor and they didn't hide that they made the most of that. These were all the ingredients of the Jimmy. Carter Iowa playbook I'm honest I'm a former businessman and an engineer and a navy veteran veteran. I'm not from Washington. I'm a little bit liberal and a little bit conservative and it's nice to meet you. Carter took that message. Acids over Iowa voters bought it. Reporters took note on January nineteenth. Nine thousand nine hundred seventy six. The date for Iowa's caucuses. The Jimmy Carter. Playbook was put to the test Jerry ration and others in the Carter campaign. We're already pivoting to New Hampshire and beyond. Did you think you were going to win Iowa. Yes and when you thought you'RE GONNA win. What did you plan well? Every all the candidates were going to for election for the night of that and we thought we were going to win anyway so we decided that he would be in New New York in the hotel watching it because that was before all the networks picked further. Today's show and the other shows would going to Iowa. They didn't do that and so the results came in. We were undecided was first but of all the real people. Jimmy Jimmy Carter was very much the winner and so the next morning he was on the today show. And then you headed to New Hampshire. Had It to New Hampshire Hampshire. Here are the first political returns for the year. Nineteen seventy-six yesterday about fifty thousand Democrats in Iowa met in caucuses in homes. This church is and fire houses to choose delegates. Their State Party convention. Most of them are still uncommitted thirty-seven percent but former Georgia governor. Jimmy Carter did extremely greenlee well with twenty seven percent of the delegate preferences. More than twice as many as Indiana Senator Birch by and three times as many as Fred Harris the former Oklahoma senator. Senator Carter was in New Hampshire today grinning from ear to ear. His victory yesterday was a great symbolic importance. There were those today who were using the words front runner to describe Carter. My name is Jimmy Carter and I'm running for president. Jimmy Ricarda went on the win. The Democratic nomination is Iowa playbook had worked. I asked about what it all means for candidates. Today I mean for for me. The big lesson is somebody can come out of nowhere or what appears to be nowhere and win that just because we don't know whoever it is in Washington an and they don't they aren't connected to everybody we know on Capitol Hill and in the press they can still rocket make it to the top for except for for a couple of cases where Gephardt one out there and the local guy won there. In Ninety two the winner wins it's an astounding meaning winning winning in Iowa. What do you think it is about that? I it's the first stop. It just seems to give a tremendous gust of wind behind whoever wins and every election Russian. People say. Oh it's not going to happen again you know. Surely a place like this can't be the bellwether for an election and it hasn't been for both parties. Know the Republicans Lukens haven't Haven't seen the you know the their winters in Iowa haven't always gone on to win the nomination but it Chris. I think it's I think Democrats it's really do want to fall in love with their nominee with their the person they're gonNA vote for for president in Iowa gives you a place to fall in love. You're going door to door. Four People WanNa meet you in in. Somebody's living room or kitchen or around a coffee table at a coffee shop They WanNA shake your hand. They I wanNA look you in the eye. You know. It's got to be somebody who who believes what you believe but it also has to be somebody you're personally comfortable with and Jimmy Carter managed to win there again in nineteen eighty against Ted Kennedy a total upset again and a friend of mine out there. Assessor WHO's working for Carter said well the last person leaving having Des Moines. Please turn out the lights his name and let me ask the last question. Can you skip Iowa. And when the dominates the Democratic Party. I wish I were smart enough to tell you the answer Chris I th. I think it's very tough but I don't. I don't rule anything out I I think we are in a different moment right now with with president trump. He somebody is you know very well who generates incredible loyalty and incredible double distrust and dislike and worse. It is hard to imagine how somebody who hasn't laid the groundwork who hasn't been Athens this day after day after day and put in the. You know the the hard labor in Iowa and New Hampshire the other states is GonNa make it but if these candidates Atta dates. Don't look strong coming out of these early contests. I can see the possibility that the voters take a look and and say okay you know. What is this guy have to offer? So it's a maybe judy woodruff. WHO had a front row seat to? Jimmy Carter's win in Iowa today. She's he's anchor and managing editor the PBS news out. Jerry Raff soon ran advertising for Jimmy Carter in Iowa and onto direct communications in the Carter. White House yes. So you WANNA be president. Here's a preview. You of less than two year after year. Voters want to see if candidates can show some spontaneity something beyond the talking points that the lights are on uh-huh and somebody's home. You know one of the parts of politics that we forget about is you have to show that you are on an even Keel your well-balanced you get the joke you're good natured. We may give you the nuclear codes someday if you win. We'll oh explain next time. I'm Chris Matthews with hardball on MSNBC. Thanks so much for listening Start an interview. The by any the transcript. They want quickly the president from office. We're going inside. Impeachment with the NBC News Article. Two inside impeachment Steve Search Nail Wherever you're listening and subscribe.

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"Hi everybody it's Chris Matthews host of the new. MSNBC PODCAST say you want to be president. It's about the lessons learned from campaigns. That got their across six episodes. I talked talk to campaign veterans about six timeless themes that separate the winners from the losers. You can stay right here and listen to the first episode and to get the entire series search search for president wherever you're listening right now and subscribe friends delegates and fellow Americans. I accept your nomination. So you WANNA be president. I'm Chris Matty some hardball on MSNBC. I've watched so many people run for their party party nomination but only a few who had to get it Madam Chairwoman and let's I have a privilege given few Americans for all those who believe that our best days are ahead of us. I proudly only accept your nomination. WanNa be president. This show is about what you have to do to get your nomination. These are the lessons learned from campaigns. 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You get America's attention you stand out for voters inside a national spotlight as the election counter races onto New Hampshire and beyond John. Kennedy's haven't always thought winning. I was worth it. The first is so its value. Was Jimmy mccarter. He put the Iowa caucuses on the map on asking me the next night. I'm running for president. Did that thank the much in nineteen seventy five in one thousand nine hundred seventy six. Jimmy Carter went all in in Iowa. He needed to outside the south. Georgia governor was unknown to most people and he's up against a crowded more established field to win an Iowa. Jimmy Carter champion. Something called retail politics. He took his underdog campaign to the people giving me. I won't Sheila Hi. I'm giving a funny shooting film of Him. Meeting people people shaking hands by name. Is Jimmy Carter burning for president Jerry. RAPP Shin was part of Jimmy Carter's campaigns in the early days. I for Georgia governor then for the White White House Jerry. Random film shoots created all the campaign ads and was part of the team who dreamed up winning Iowa Strategy. It look life if we get all the national attention who would all director Ken. This guy do it again in New Hampshire. It was very clear that they were working the state and had it all mapped out. Judy Woodruff also watched him Carter in his early days as a politician. Did you know her. Today is anchoring Managing Editor for the PBS Newshour in the Early Nineteen Seventy S. She was a rookie journalist working in Atlanta I had just just gone to work for NBC. And I started telling my my bosses at NBC. You gotta pay attention to this Governor Carter and they looked at me like I had a hole in my head the freedom prejudice. Because you are. I am apart prejudice. I'm GonNa Michio Jimmy Carter. Was You know obviously thing not a creature of Washington not somebody who they thought you know. They thought thick southern accent. Who who does he think he is and I kept saying to them? You know you really need to pay attention to this guy. He's going somewhere judy. Woodruff Jimmy Carter playbook look we go on to become less than one for campaigns win Iowa with retail politics. Climb inside the national spotlight and hanging there all the wait the nomination roots of Jimmy. Carter's playbook and I would took shape long before his presidential run John. Carter was then a first time candidate for Georgia governor. He was up against some big time politicians. He needed. Help Jerry we wrap. Shane was young advertising executive in Atlanta. A friend offered him a job on the Carter campaign fellow by name. Hal Gulliver who was editor. It became editor around the constitution. Said Jerry You ought to do Jimmy. Carter's campaign you ought to do the advertising. He's a friend of mine. Nine and I said how I can't do that. I just started the advertising agency but then I was driving my car down down peach tree on a Saturday and I heard a commercial come on the air and it was country and western singer singing. enghien Jimmy Carter is name. Jimmy Carter is name. Jimmy Carter is the number one for governor. I almost went off the road. I went to a filling station and I call over and I said your friend Carter needs help. He's told you why don't you just tell them to take the damn jingle off. I'm not going to. That's free advice so the following Monday night I was babysitting. My wife was out and Gulliver calls me up and says Carta just fired Ziad Guy. And he's got sixty thousand dollars. There's to spend the pronoun the camp of silly election which is two months away and wants to know how you're going to spend that so I go up and the a headquarters was a suite at the plaza. Hotel were all politicos. Hung out the door opens and in walks. This Guy Jimmy mccarter and he's with three people and so they said well. What have you got? I said well you need to do away with all your billboards boards and you've got sixty thousand dollars that's put it all on television and will follow you around the state and so what's the message and I said there's a demand coming to your town. His name is Jimmy Carter. He's running for governor. They say he can't win. It's not up to them to decide who can win you decide decide. Who can win? Go see him talk to him. Find out what he has to say better yet. You tell them what you have to say. Silence in the room and the political science professor said this is a disaster. You'd never say you can't win and I said He's not number number one he's fourth. It's not the truth. That doesn't matter. I said well. Jimmy Jimmy's reaction all this chess. He's sitting there watching being made and he turned to them and said. Let me talk to this guy alone I said. And he said of. Don't argue with these folks folks. These are good folks and I need them. Now let's two year campaign. Oh and I fell in love because he believed in you. Yeah we follow around the state we we shot footage in became a card trademark. He went to the factory gates. They went all over and then he called me a few months later and said we're GonNa do it again with me and of course I was the only job I could get in in. Journalism was the secretary secretary in the newsroom of the ABC affiliate in Atlanta. And they hired me right out right out of Duke I answered the phone cleaned. The film's emptied the trash and ultimately persuaded them that I really wanted report. Couldn't get a job there but was hired with a CBS station in Atlanta to cover over politics. The first assignment I had was covering the Henry. County fight over highways In Georgia but it wasn't not long after that that Jimmy Carter and others announce they this was nineteen seventy and Jimmy Carter and others announced. They were running for governor and and he had his journey. That wasn't the only assignment I had. I covered a lot general assignment but that was where I first met Jimmy Carter. I watched him mount on the trail met Rosalyn. And you know really was captivated by the Carter Mystique. If you want to call it that did you get his sense for instance. He could go national that he was that kind of big time. Big League politician not then but but after he was elected shoe or by the end of that year and I I saw him in office and I saw how effective it was. I'm I know the point came watching him a deal with the Georgia legislature. And frankly he didn't have a lot of respect for most of them He worked with them but he essentially liked to tell them what to do and what he thought. But that's that was Jimmy. Carter people watched when he was governor. Jimmy Carter had bigger plans so did his closest advisers Hamilton Hamilton Jordan. Who ran the Carter Campaign Jerry raft soon and others took the lessons learned from the Georgia racist and put their heads together about the governor's chances in in a presidential run Iowa would be crucial to their national strategy? We told the governor. We wanted to come see him about his future car and he said Okay So. We got to the governor's mansion and we laid out. Why he had the advantage? The South had never had had a president for one hundred Twenty Years Union count. Johnson is at West right but also he did not get elected the first time. You're not a racist. You can be George Wallace in the South who went through the list of all things being a governor Watergate Watergate was going on and he says well. What do you guys want to do? And we said we'll come back and bring you a plan and running it all states. This is right after the Nixon sweep about govern one forty nine states. Yeah and he said okay. I'm GONNA do it. And the plan was beat Kennedy in the North in New Hampshire and be Wallace in Florida. As of this time here in the state that I love surrounded by friends of mine from all over the nation I like to announce that I am a candidate for president when he enhanced as for president. Did that surprise you. At the time he announced I knew he was. I knew for a little for a little bit of time that he was going to run you. He would have have national politicians come to visit him. I remember Hubert Humphrey I just. I just remember a parade of Democrats coming through Atlanta. He was on the move. He was trying to be a player in National Democratic Party politics so we knew he had great ambition and the people around him. The young young guys is around him. Did what did you make. The remember headline of the Atlanta Journal Constitution said Jimmy. Who is running for what it's because the people people he didn't have everybody's respect? I mean a lot of first of all locally. A lot of people thought it was crazy for Georgian to run for president. I mean mean that. It just didn't compute here was a guy who had been a peanut farmer a yes sure he had had a progressive term in office But but where were the ingredients that we're going to propel him to the White House and it just it just didn't add up for president. Nineteen seventy four. It was a major headline them. Throw a gun jimmy running a what. Aw Class announced for president more than a year before Iowa. Judy Woodruff knew what he was up up against. She'd seen him run aground campaign for governor as the underdog outsider at the time she s the candidate about his approach for the seventy six campaign pain. There are still many people from outside the south. Apparently who are a little reluctant to accept the idea of US president from the south. How do you deal with that? I don't believe the sectional prejudice still exists out camping all the country. I probably travel more. Talk more and listen to more people and questions than any other human. Being this year I started my own campaign. I didn't have any political organization. Not much money nobody. Nobody knew who I was. We begin to go from one living room to another one labor hall to another up and down the streets back to shift lines barbershops Josh Good Polish restaurant shaking hand talking to people and Leslie when you saw his campaign style you talked about your first impression. He was very much. We call retailer or maybe one. The one I contact spend some time with a person. Bill Clinton was like that a lot of. We've met people that you think that would translate when you had to go national. I would love to tell you Chris that I knew that I had knew that he had some magic. What I knew was that? He was deeply ambitious organized. The people around him and that they had some kind of plan they weren't sharing it early on and you had to take them seriously. They were looking at the country they were looking at moving moving out and and figuring out a way to get it done. I didn't know that had no way of knowing we never gonNA win. But I knew that you couldn't just write these folks off. There's a new kind of credit card created by Apple. It's called Apple Card and it lives in your wallet APP and in Your Wallet. You can buy things with apple pay or a laser etched titanium card. It's a whole new level for privacy and security and it gives you daily cash back with every purchase. Oh and you can apply in minutes. Just open the wallet APP on your iphone and tap the plus button to get started to learn more checkout apple dot com slash. Get Apple Card available for qualifying applicants in the United States issued by Goldman Sachs Bank. USA Salt Lake City branch. It was not until Johnny Apple New York Times when out out in the countryside and our and talk to people you know teachers and policemen and bartenders and others and he sized up what we already knew about our and wrote a headline in The New York Times. Did the other reporters ever dreamed that I might come in I in our they were looking at me as coming in fifth six Because they very seldom out of Des Moines they would stay there you know and enjoy themselves and talk to each other but he actually went out out and and And Got Opinion People under state and he and he projected that. I was going to win which I did was just amazed a lot of people and focused attention on me which is very very beneficial. That was Jimmy Carter appearing on C. Span recently about the legendary New York Times reporter Johnny Apple Apple and others on the campaign trail were known says the boys on the bus Jimmy Carter's Iowa's strategy was coming into focus was working. A national reporters looked judy woodruff for insights on on the underdogs approach to winning elections one voter and time. Those were the glory days of the boys and the bus. That's when you had the big names Johnny Apple and Bro Research. I just starting really allow them today. Take them seriously because you'd be bumping into them on the bus now swear end. Jim wooten horse and he did cover. He wrote a book about he had covered him new at new a little bit better and there were some national reporters who had spent time in Atlanta and there were folks like bill ship. You know local Georgia reporters Atlanta the constitution. Who who knew more about him but even even they didn't have an idea that he was? I mean none of us could know that how far he was ultimately going to go. But we knew there was the ambition And and the rest of it But yeah I mean I remember talking to Johnnie Apple to David the beloved Johnny. The beloved David Broder Early on Because they were curious about him they looked at him and saw. There was something different but they were trying to figure out what is the. What's the secret ingredient here? And they did talk to us those of us who have covered him for a few years. You know to try to tell Judy I mean I learned a lot from those guys. But you're right. They were looking to me in a whole lot of other local reporters who had covered him for some clues whose walls built around Washington. And we feel like we can't quite get through to guarantee the people of this country government the sensitive to our needs. We can understand control. This competent well managed officiant economical and also a government office. We can be proud. Jimmy Carter a leader for a change ads like this. When we're new for presidential campaigns? They showed the candidate on the campaign trail. They captured everything the handshakes the conversations the speeches Jerry raft and his film crew pioneered the approach and turned their footage into campaign ads for Iowa television. The Myth was you. Don't do television in Iowa. It's all on the ground beating. Weren't around the state where we had a guy running around the state but it just happens that he was we brought her own television crew with them and shooting film of him meeting people shaking. As by name. Is Jimmy. Carter burning for president so it looked like if we could win Iowa we could. It would help us when New Hampshire. So why was it important. The Carter was known for shaking hands with a lots of people. Thousands of thousand people shaking hands with staying overnight in their houses sleeping on their couches. And that's right. Why was it important to do that on film? And what was the connection between him retailing as we say in politics and then you wholesaling it on television basically the same thing. Carter shaken hands because it was bringing the message to all the people that he didn't shake hands with uh-huh multiplying it was multiplying. I believe in balanced budgets. I believe in screening out all eliminating programs that are long past serve that useful. He was the perfect on television but also we had spots of him talking about the issues. People were saying wasn't talking about the issues so I did five minutes spots as I said I I said if anybody can spend five minutes with Jimmy they're gonNA vote for choice to be made between government private industry if it's an equal choice voice. I go with a private. This is a kind of concept that is generally considered the conservative. But at the same time I believe believe in human being an equal opportunity and freedom and equality of opportunity. And I'll fight for if you agree. That government should be sent view. Agree with Jimmy Carter on this issue. Vote for him. You know where this comes flying you laughing. Because because gene McCarthy Senator McCall who ran for president he said the way to become an issues candidate is the use the word issues over. No he said and say I'm running on the issues. I'm issues candidate as low as you say. The word issues issues candidate right so issues candidate going around grab meeting people I also Atlantic you. You'll remember Jimmy Carter. Chris crushed Iowa. He was running thing against a big field. Before this year's campaign nineteen seventy six was the largest democratic field modern history. Carter's playbook dictated the importance of winning in Iowa. He did so by breaking away from the Democratic Pack. The candidates were really not after delegates here in Iowa what the candidates were after was a boost some momentum to carry them into the primary battles ahead and a big boost is exactly what Jimmy Carter got here did you get to cover him on the ground. I would watch them doing that door to door some of it. I saw some of it in in the fall of seventy five When we spent a few today's traveling the state with him driving around watching him interviewing people whose who had let him stay in their homes overnight who were completely completely smitten with Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter? It was like they were longtime friends. It was like the Jimmy Carter Magic. He just managed to win people Over he worked it door to door person to person coffee group by Coffee Group. They knew who the key Democrats were that they had to win over on their to their side and they had they work. Those people really are and those folks were already very loyal oil by the time I got there and what October seven those folks were already very loyal to him and talked about him like he was you know they. They knew he was GONNA win political. Oh science question okay. How did he distinguish himself from the liberal? Paki run against without Basically describing himself as not a liberal progressive. I think he was just very clever in the way he talked about it. I mean I'm sure there was some formula behind it. It was just conservative enough on some and things and liberal enough on others that it worked and then there was the overlay of the personality. You know in the big toothy grin and the hair falling in his eye and The whole the whole story and the fact you know that he and Rosalyn didn't they didn't put on airs. I mean they were themselves and they and they they never hid the fact that they were from plains Georgia small town. They weren't war and they they didn't hide that they made the most of that These were all the ingredients of the Jimmy. Carter Iowa playbook I'm honest I'm a former former businessman. An engineer and a navy veteran. I'm not from Washington a little bit liberal and a little bit conservative. It's nice to meet you. Carter took that message. All of our our voters reporters took note on January nineteenth in one thousand nine hundred seventy six. The date for Iowa's caucuses. The Jimmy Carter. Playbook was put to the test Jerry Ramzan and others on the counter campaign campaign. We're already pivoting to New Hampshire and beyond. Did you think you were going to win Iowa. Yes and when you thought you'RE GONNA win. And what did you plan well. Every all the candidates were going to Iowa for election for the night of that and we thought we were going to win anyway so nope we decided that he would be in New York and the hotel watching it because I was before all the networks for the today show and the other shows would going to Iowa. They didn't do that and so the results came in. We were undecided was first but of all the real people. Jimmy Carter was very much the winner and so the next morning. He was on the today show. And then you head it New Hampshire. And it's a New Hampshire. Here are the first political returns for the year Nineteen seventy-six yesterday about fifty thousand Democrats in Iowa caucuses in homes churches and fire houses to choose delegates for their state party convention. Most of them are still uncommitted. Thirty seven percent but former Georgia governor. Jimmy Carter did extremely well with twenty seven percent of the delegate preferences. More than twice as many as Indiana Senator Birch Verge Bhai and three times as many as Fred Harris. The former Oklahoma Senator Carter was in New Hampshire today grinning from ear to ear. His victory yesterday was was of great symbolic importance. There were those today. who were using the words front runner to describe Carter? My name is Jimmy Carter and I'm running. The president. Jimmy Carter went on the win. The Democratic nomination is Iowa playbook had worked. I asked duty woodruff about what it all means candidates today I mean for me the big lesson somebody can come out of nowhere or what appears to be nowhere and win that Just because we don't know whoever it is in Washington and they don't they aren't connected to everybody we know on Capitol Hill and in the press. They they can still rocket make it to the top except for a couple of cases were Gephardt one out there. In the local guy won there. In Ninety two the winner wins it's an astounding meaning winning in Iowa. What do you think it is about that I? It's the first stop. It just seems to give of a tremendous gust of wind behind over wins and every election. People say oh. It's not going to happen again. You know surely a place like this can't be the bellwether for an election election and it hasn't been for both parties. I mean we know. The Republicans haven't haven't seen the you know their winters in Iowa haven't always gone on to win the nomination nomination but it Chris. I think it's I think. Democrats really do want to fall in love with their nominee with the person they're gonNA vote for for president in Iowa gives you a place to fall in love. You're going door to door. People want to meet you in A in. Somebody's living room or kitchen or around a coffee table able at coffee shop They WanNA shake your hand. They WanNa look you in the eye. You know it's got to be somebody who who believes what you believe okay but it also has to be somebody. You're personally comfortable with and Jimmy Carter managed to win there again in nineteen eighty against Ted Kennedy a total upset again and a friend. The mine out there at gesture WHO's working for Carter said well the last person leaving des Moines. Please turn out the lights here. He's still around. Let me ask you the last question. Can you skip Iowa and win dominate Democratic Party. I wish I was smart enough to tell you the answer Chris. I I think think it's very tough but I don't. I don't rule anything out. I think we are in a different moment right now. With with President Trump. He's somebody is you know very well l.. Who generates incredible loyalty and incredible distrust and dislike and worse? It is hard hard to imagine how somebody who hasn't laid the groundwork who hasn't been at this day after day after day and put in the you know the the hard labor in Iowa Ah New Hampshire and the other states is going to make it but if these candidates don't look strong coming out of these early contests. I could see the possibility that the voters take a look and say okay. What does this guy have to offer? So it's a maybe judy woodruff. WHO had a front front row seat to Jimmy? Carter's win in Iowa today. She's anchor and managing editor the PBS news L.. Jerry raft soon ran advertising for Jimmy. Jimmy Carter in Iowa and went on direct communications in the Carter White House so you want to be president. Here's a preview of less than two year after year. Voters want to see if candidates can show some spontaneity. Eddie something beyond the talking points the lights are on and somebody's home. You know one of the parts of politics that we forget about is you have to show that you are on an even Keel your well-balanced you get the joke you're good natured. We may give you the the nuclear codes someday if you win. We'll explain next time. I'm Chris Matthews Hardball on MSNBC. Thanks so much much for listening. Bird star in Ukraine. He'll look into the by the transcript. They WANNA move quickly. The president from office we're going inside impeachment with with the reporters of N._B._C.. News article two inside impeachment. Did buy me Steve. Kornacki search nail every listening.

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"Hi everybody it's Chris Matthews host of the new. MSNBC PODCAST say you want to be president. It's about the lessons learned from campaigns. That got their across six episodes. I talked talk to campaign veterans about six timeless themes that separate the winners from the losers. You can stay right here and listen to the first episode and to get the entire series search search for president wherever you're listening right now and subscribe friends delegates and fellow Americans. I accept your nomination. So you WANNA be president. I'm Chris Matty some hardball on MSNBC. I've watched so many people run for their party party nomination but only a few who had to get it Madam Chairwoman and let's I have a privilege given few Americans for all those who believe that our best days are ahead of us. I proudly only accept your nomination. WanNa be president. This show is about what you have to do to get your nomination. These are the lessons learned from campaigns. That win six episodes six timeless things that separate winners from losers I'll be joined by campaign veteran some have had front row seats to the most important moments. In presidential campaign. History will break down. What work for some candidates candidates and what didn't for others see you want to be president? These lessons can help stick around every night. Local police departments across America received hundreds of calls from burglar alarms the vast majority of the time they have no idea whether the alarm Israel all the alarm mhm company can tell them is. The motion sensor went off simplisafe home security is different. And it's why I love it if there's a break in simply safe uses real video evidence to give police. He's an eyewitness account of the crime that means police dispatch up to three hundred fifty percent faster than for a normal burglar alarm. You get comprehensive protection for your entire home. 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You get America's attention you stand out for voters inside a national spotlight as the election counter races onto New Hampshire and beyond John. Kennedy's haven't always thought winning. I was worth it. The first is so its value. Was Jimmy mccarter. He put the Iowa caucuses on the map on asking me the next night. I'm running for president. Did that thank the much in nineteen seventy five in one thousand nine hundred seventy six. Jimmy Carter went all in in Iowa. He needed to outside the south. Georgia governor was unknown to most people and he's up against a crowded more established field to win an Iowa. Jimmy Carter champion. Something called retail politics. He took his underdog campaign to the people giving me. I won't Sheila Hi. I'm giving a funny shooting film of Him. Meeting people people shaking hands by name. Is Jimmy Carter burning for president Jerry. RAPP Shin was part of Jimmy Carter's campaigns in the early days. I for Georgia governor then for the White White House Jerry. Random film shoots created all the campaign ads and was part of the team who dreamed up winning Iowa Strategy. It look life if we get all the national attention who would all director Ken. This guy do it again in New Hampshire. It was very clear that they were working the state and had it all mapped out. Judy Woodruff also watched him Carter in his early days as a politician. Did you know her. Today is anchoring Managing Editor for the PBS Newshour in the Early Nineteen Seventy S. She was a rookie journalist working in Atlanta I had just just gone to work for NBC. And I started telling my my bosses at NBC. You gotta pay attention to this Governor Carter and they looked at me like I had a hole in my head the freedom prejudice. Because you are. I am apart prejudice. I'm GonNa Michio Jimmy Carter. Was You know obviously thing not a creature of Washington not somebody who they thought you know. They thought thick southern accent. Who who does he think he is and I kept saying to them? You know you really need to pay attention to this guy. He's going somewhere judy. Woodruff was right. Jimmy Carter playbook doc would go onto become less than one for campaigns win Iowa with retail politics. Climb inside the national spotlight and hanging there all the wait the nomination roots of Jimmy. Carter's playbook and I would took shape long before his presidential run John. Carter was then a first time candidate for Georgia governor. He was up against some big time politicians. He needed. Help Jerry we wrap. Shane was young advertising executive in Atlanta. A friend offered him a job on the Carter campaign fellow by name. Hal Gulliver who was editor. It became editor around the constitution. Said Jerry You ought to do Jimmy. Carter's campaign you ought to do the advertising. He's a friend of mine. Nine and I said how I can't do that. I just started the advertising agency but then I was driving my car down down peach tree on a Saturday and I heard a commercial come on the air and it was country and western singer singing. enghien Jimmy Carter is name. Jimmy Carter is name. Jimmy Carter is the number one for governor. I almost went off the road. I went to a filling station and I call over and I said your friend Carter needs help. He's told you why don't you just tell them to take the damn jingle off. I'm not going to. That's free advice so the following Monday night I was babysitting. My wife was out and Gulliver calls me up and says Carta just fired Ziad Guy. And he's got sixty thousand dollars. There's to spend the pronoun the camp of silly election which is two months away and wants to know how you're going to spend that so I go up and the a headquarters was a suite at the plaza. Hotel were all politicos. Hung out the door opens and in walks. This Guy Jimmy mccarter and he's with three people and so they said well. What have you got? I said well you need to do away with all your billboards boards and you've got sixty thousand dollars that's put it all on television and will follow you around the state and so what's the message and I said there's a demand coming to your town. His name is Jimmy Carter. He's running for governor. They say he can't win. It's not up to them to decide who can win you decide decide. Who can win? Go see him talk to him. Find out what he has to say better yet. You tell them what you have to say. Silence in the room and the political science professor said this is a disaster. You'd never say you can't win and I said He's not number number one he's fourth. It's not the truth. That doesn't matter. I said well. Jimmy Jimmy's reaction all this chess. He's sitting there watching being made and he turned to them and said. Let me talk to this guy alone I said. And he said of. Don't argue with these folks folks. These are good folks and I need them. Now let's two year campaign. Oh and I fell in love because he believed in you. Yeah we follow around the state we we shot footage in became a card trademark. He went to the factory gates. They went all over and then he called me a few months later and said we're GonNa do it again with me and of course I was the only job I could get in in. Journalism was the secretary secretary in the newsroom of the ABC affiliate in Atlanta. And they hired me right out right out of Duke I answered the phone cleaned. The film's emptied the trash and ultimately persuaded them that I really wanted report. Couldn't get a job there but was hired with a CBS station in Atlanta to cover over politics. The first assignment I had was covering the Henry. County fight over highways In Georgia but it wasn't not long after that that Jimmy Carter and others announce they this was nineteen seventy and Jimmy Carter and others announced. They were running for governor and and he had his journey. That wasn't the only assignment I had. I covered a lot general assignment but that was where I first met Jimmy Carter. I watched him mount on the trail met Rosalyn. And you know really was captivated by the Carter Mystique. If you want to call it that did you get his sense for instance. He could go national that he was that kind of big time. Big League politician not then but but after he was elected shoe or by the end of that year and I I saw him in office and I saw how effective it was. I'm I know the point came watching him a deal with the Georgia legislature. And frankly he didn't have a lot of respect for most of them He worked with them but he essentially liked to tell them what to do and what he thought. But that's that was Jimmy. Carter people watched when he was governor. Jimmy Carter had bigger plans so did his closest advisers Hamilton Hamilton Jordan. Who ran the Carter Campaign Jerry raft soon and others took the lessons learned from the Georgia racist and put their heads together about the governor's chances in in a presidential run Iowa would be crucial to their national strategy? We told the governor. We wanted to come see him about his future car and he said Okay So. We got to the governor's mansion and we laid out. Why he had the advantage? The South had never had had a president for one hundred Twenty Years Union count. Johnson is at West right but also he did not get elected the first time. You're not a racist. You can be George Wallace in the South who went through the list of all things being a governor Watergate Watergate was going on and he says well. What do you guys want to do? And we said we'll come back and bring you a plan and running it all states. This is right after the Nixon sweep about govern one forty nine states. Yeah and he said okay. I'm GONNA do it. And the plan was beat Kennedy in the North in New Hampshire and be Wallace in Florida. As of this time here in the state that I love surrounded by friends of mine from all over the nation I like to announce that I am a candidate for president when he enhanced as for president. Did that surprise you. At the time he announced I knew he was. I knew for a little for a little bit of time that he was going to run you. He would have have national politicians come to visit him. I remember Hubert Humphrey I just. I just remember a parade of Democrats coming through Atlanta. He was on the move. He was trying to be a player in National Democratic Party politics so we knew he had great ambition and the people around him. The young young guys is around him. Did what did you make. The remember headline of the Atlanta Journal Constitution said Jimmy. Who is running for what it's because the people people he didn't have everybody's respect? I mean a lot of first of all locally. A lot of people thought it was crazy for Georgian to run for president. I mean mean that. It just didn't compute here was a guy who had been a peanut farmer a yes sure he had had a progressive term in office But but where were the ingredients that we're going to propel him to the White House and it just it just didn't add up for president. Nineteen seventy four. It was a major headline them. Throw a gun jimmy running a what. Aw Class announced for president more than a year before Iowa. Judy Woodruff knew what he was up up against. She'd seen him run aground campaign for governor as the underdog outsider at the time she s the candidate about his approach for the seventy six campaign pain. There are still many people from outside the south. Apparently who are a little reluctant to accept the idea of US president from the south. How do you deal with that? I don't believe the sectional prejudice still exists out camping all the country. I probably travel more. Talk more and listen to more people and questions than any other human. Being this year I started my own campaign. I didn't have any political organization. Not much money nobody. Nobody knew who I was. We begin to go from one living room to another one labor hall to another up and down the streets back to shift lines barbershops Josh Good Polish restaurant shaking hand talking to people and Leslie when you saw his campaign style you talked about your first impression. He was very much. We call retailer or maybe one. The one I contact spend some time with a person. Bill Clinton was like that a lot of. We've met people that you think that would translate when you had to go national. I would love to tell you Chris that I knew that I had knew that he had some magic. What I knew was that? He was deeply ambitious organized. The people around him and that they had some kind of plan they weren't sharing it early on and you had to take them seriously. They were looking at the country they were looking at moving moving out and and figuring out a way to get it done. I didn't know that had no way of knowing we never gonNA win. But I knew that you couldn't just write these folks off. There's a new kind of credit card created by Apple. It's called Apple Card and it lives in your wallet APP and in Your Wallet. You can buy things with apple pay or a laser etched titanium card. It's a whole new level for privacy and security and it gives you daily cash back with every purchase. Oh and you can apply in minutes. Just open the wallet APP on your iphone and tap the plus button to get started to learn more checkout apple dot com slash. Get Apple Card available for qualifying applicants in the United States issued by Goldman Sachs Bank. USA Salt Lake City branch. It was not until Johnny Apple New York Times when out out in the countryside and our and talk to people you know teachers and policemen and bartenders and others and he sized up what we already knew about our and wrote a headline in The New York Times. Did the other reporters ever dreamed that I might come in I in our they were looking at me as coming in fifth six Because they very seldom out of Des Moines they would stay there you know and enjoy themselves and talk to each other but he actually went out out and and And Got Opinion People under state and he and he projected that. I was going to win which I did was just amazed a lot of people and focused attention on me which is very very beneficial. That was Jimmy Carter appearing on C. Span recently about the legendary New York Times reporter Johnny Apple Apple and others on the campaign trail were known says the boys on the bus Jimmy Carter's Iowa's strategy was coming into focus was working. A national reporters looked judy woodruff for insights on on the underdogs approach to winning elections one voter and time. Those were the glory days of the boys and the bus. That's when you had the big names Johnny Apple and Bro Research. I just starting really allow them today. Take them seriously because you'd be bumping into them on the bus now swear end. Jim wooten horse and he did cover. He wrote a book about he had covered him new at new a little bit better and there were some national reporters who had spent time in Atlanta and there were folks like bill ship. You know local Georgia reporters Atlanta the constitution. Who who knew more about him but even even they didn't have an idea that he was? I mean none of us could know that how far he was ultimately going to go. But we knew there was the ambition And and the rest of it But yeah I mean I remember talking to Johnnie Apple to David the beloved Johnny. The beloved David Broder Early on Because they were curious about him they looked at him and saw. There was something different but they were trying to figure out what is the. What's the secret ingredient here? And they did talk to us those of us who have covered him for a few years. You know to try to tell Judy I mean I learned a lot from those guys. But you're right. They were looking to me in a whole lot of other local reporters who had covered him for some clues whose walls built around Washington. And we feel like we can't quite get through to guarantee the people of this country government the sensitive to our needs. We can understand control. This competent well managed officiant economical and also a government office. We can be proud. Jimmy Carter a leader for a change ads like this. When we're new for presidential campaigns? They showed the candidate on the campaign trail. They captured everything the handshakes the conversations the speeches Jerry raft and his film crew pioneered the approach and turned their footage into campaign ads for Iowa television. The Myth was you. Don't do television in Iowa. It's all on the ground beating. Weren't around the state where we had a guy running around the state but it just happens that he was we brought her own television crew with them and shooting film of him meeting people shaking. As by name. Is Jimmy. Carter burning for president so it looked like if we could win Iowa we could. It would help us when New Hampshire. So why was it important. The Carter was known for shaking hands with a lots of people. Thousands of thousand people shaking hands with staying overnight in their houses sleeping on their couches. And that's right. Why was it important to do that on film? And what was the connection between him retailing as we say in politics and then you wholesaling it on television basically the same thing. Carter shaken hands because it was bringing the message to all the people that he didn't shake hands with uh-huh multiplying it was multiplying. I believe in balanced budgets. I believe in screening out all eliminating programs that are long past serve that useful. He was the perfect on television but also we had spots of him talking about the issues. People were saying wasn't talking about the issues so I did five minutes spots as I said I I said if anybody can spend five minutes with Jimmy they're gonNA vote for choice to be made between government private industry if it's an equal choice voice. I go with a private. This is a kind of concept that is generally considered the conservative. But at the same time I believe believe in human being an equal opportunity and freedom and equality of opportunity. And I'll fight for if you agree. That government should be sent view. Agree with Jimmy Carter on this issue. Vote for him. You know where this comes flying you laughing. Because because gene McCarthy Senator McCall who ran for president he said the way to become an issues candidate is the use the word issues over. No he said and say I'm running on the issues. I'm issues candidate. His lawyer as you say the word issues issues candidate right so issues candidate going around grab meeting people I also Atlantic area. You'll remember Jimmy Carter. Chris crushed Iowa. He was running thing against a big field. Before this year's campaign nineteen seventy six was the largest democratic field modern history. Carter's playbook dictated the importance of winning in Iowa. He did so by breaking away from the Democratic Pack. The candidates were really not after delegates here in Iowa what the candidates were after was a boost some momentum to carry them into the primary battles ahead and a big boost is exactly what Jimmy Carter got here did you get to cover him on the ground. I would watch them doing that door to door some of it. I saw some of it in in the fall of seventy five When we spent a few today's traveling the state with him driving around watching him interviewing people whose who had let him stay in their homes overnight who were completely completely smitten with Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter? It was like they were longtime friends. It was like the Jimmy Carter Magic. He just managed to win people Over he worked it door to door person to person coffee group by Coffee Group. They knew who the key Democrats were that they had to win over on their to their side and they had they work. Those people really are and those folks were already very loyal oil by the time I got there and what October seven those folks were already very loyal to him and talked about him like he was you know they. They knew he was GONNA win political. Oh science question okay. How did he distinguish himself from the liberal? Paki run against without Basically describing himself as not a liberal progressive. I think he was just very clever in the way he talked about it. I mean I'm sure there was some formula behind it. It was just conservative enough on some and things and liberal enough on others that it worked and then there was the overlay of the personality. You know in the big toothy grin and the hair falling in his eye and The whole the whole story and the fact you know that he and Rosalyn didn't they didn't put on airs. I mean they were themselves and they and they they never hid the fact that they were from plains Georgia small town. They weren't war and they they didn't hide that they made the most of that These were all the ingredients of the Jimmy. Carter Iowa playbook I'm honest I'm a former former businessman. An engineer and a navy veteran. I'm not from Washington a little bit liberal and a little bit conservative. It's nice to meet you. Carter took that message. All of our our voters reporters took note on January nineteenth in one thousand nine hundred seventy six. The date for Iowa's caucuses. The Jimmy Carter. Playbook was put to the test Jerry Ramzan and others on the counter campaign campaign. We're already pivoting to New Hampshire and beyond. Did you think you were going to win Iowa. Yes and when you thought you'RE GONNA win. And what did you plan well. Every all the candidates were going to Iowa for election for the night of that and we thought we were going to win anyway so nope we decided that he would be in New York and the hotel watching it because I was before all the networks for the today show and the other shows would going to Iowa. They didn't do that and so the results came in. We were undecided was first but of all the real people. Jimmy Carter was very much the winner and so the next morning. He was on the today show. And then you head it New Hampshire. And it's a New Hampshire. Here are the first political returns for the year Nineteen seventy-six yesterday about fifty thousand Democrats in Iowa caucuses in homes churches and fire houses to choose delegates for their state party convention. Most of them are still uncommitted. Thirty seven percent but former Georgia governor. Jimmy Carter did extremely well with twenty seven percent of the delegate preferences. More than twice as many as Indiana Senator Birch Verge Bhai and three times as many as Fred Harris. The former Oklahoma Senator Carter was in New Hampshire today grinning from ear to ear. His victory yesterday was was of great symbolic importance. There were those today. who were using the words front runner to describe Carter? My name is Jimmy Carter and I'm running. The president. Jimmy Carter went on the win. The Democratic nomination is Iowa playbook had worked. I asked duty woodruff about what it all means candidates today I mean for me the big lesson somebody can come out of nowhere or what appears to be nowhere and win that Just because we don't know whoever it is in Washington and they don't they aren't connected to everybody we know on Capitol Hill and in the press. They they can still rocket make it to the top except for a couple of cases were Gephardt one out there. In the local guy won there. In Ninety two the winner wins it's an astounding meaning winning in Iowa. What do you think it is about that I? It's the first stop. It just seems to give of a tremendous gust of wind behind over wins and every election. People say oh. It's not going to happen again. You know surely a place like this can't be the bellwether for an election election and it hasn't been for both parties. I mean we know. The Republicans haven't haven't seen the you know their winters in Iowa haven't always gone on to win the nomination nomination but it Chris. I think it's I think. Democrats really do want to fall in love with their nominee with the person they're gonNA vote for for president in Iowa gives you a place to fall in love. You're going door to door. People want to meet you in A in. Somebody's living room or kitchen or around a coffee table able at coffee shop They WanNA shake your hand. They WanNa look you in the eye. You know it's got to be somebody who who believes what you believe okay but it also has to be somebody. You're personally comfortable with and Jimmy Carter managed to win there again in nineteen eighty against Ted Kennedy a total upset again and a friend. The mine out there at gesture WHO's working for Carter said well the last person leaving des Moines. Please turn out the lights here. He's still around. Let me ask you the last question. Can you skip Iowa and win dominate Democratic Party. I wish I was smart enough to tell you the answer Chris. I I think think it's very tough but I don't. I don't rule anything out. I think we are in a different moment right now. With with President Trump. He's somebody is you know very well l.. Who generates incredible loyalty and incredible distrust and dislike and worse? It is hard hard to imagine how somebody who hasn't laid the groundwork who hasn't been at this day after day after day and put in the. You know the the hard labor in Iowa in New Hampshire and the other states is going to make it but if these candidates don't look strong coming out of these early contests. I could see the possibility that the voters take a look and say okay. What does this guy have to offer? So it's a maybe judy woodruff. WHO had a front front row seat to Jimmy? Carter's win in Iowa today. She's anchor and managing editor the PBS news L.. Jerry raft soon ran advertising for Jimmy. Jimmy Carter in Iowa and went on direct communications in the Carter White House so you want to be president. Here's a preview of less than two year after year. Voters want to see if candidates can show some spontaneity. Eddie something beyond the talking points the lights are on and somebody's home. You know one of the parts of politics that we forget about is you have to show that you are on an even Keel your well-balanced you get the joke you're good natured. We may give you the the nuclear codes someday if you win. We'll explain next time. I'm Chris Matthews Hardball on MSNBC. Thanks so much much for listening. I you want to be president. I've watched many candidates for their party's nomination but only a few knew how to get it for this microphone phone. My podcast is about what it takes to get the nomination. Six episodes six timeless themes that separate the few winners from the many losers. The hope still lives the shell never die. So you WANNA be President with Chris. Matthews and M._S._N._B._C.. PODCAST search now. Wherever you're listening and subscribe I two episodes available now?

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You don't have to do this put the hammer down put down very. Yes. Play god. Okay, thank you much. I'm very police to be hosting this program. Scene. Mark, Mark Levin. Yes. On the program later today. We all do the DNC candidates running, of course. Quarter. Afro, American, garett, what's half oriental Asian Belichick. They. They. Gerald Morgan junior. Yeah. Wine of the day. Yes. And I brought a special one for you, sir. Because the kind of policies that you tend to push on this to dissidence it's called. It's called. They usually get shot right after. I just thought it was just it was for you. That's a reasonable. Question of the day, which is important to everyone to be discussing right now, given the current state of, of our democracy, which of the two hundred seventeen people running thence me. Shoot. Okay. My running man, you pick a horse, you tell me in the comments section, it's the comments. The comics is what the kids use underneath before we get to, and my problems with all of the nominees leading the news homeland of open development. Hud secretary. Okay duct. I don't think that's actually the acronym, which is into this look. Ben Carson was asked about real estate on properties commonly referred to as already ios unfortunately for, for the doctor. He heard Orioles as you look it up. I also like you to get back. If you don't mind to explain the disparity in REO rates do you know what an Oreo is Oreo are not an Oreo. R. E. R. Duct have been caution subsequently asked about the effects of real estate owned foreclosures that they've had on the African American community. Responded that he went to. Wow. Just because he doesn't it the, the leftist policies doesn't mean I mean, not black. I mean, come on. That's, that's a little bit of an unfair character. I would say what at aria was. But, you know, hey mumble MC mumble cynic, and he couldn't hear what she was saying. That's true hungry. Mobile quarter. Could you don't have to keep on screen for the whole to remain have to quicken? Yuck international patriots in the United Kingdom patriots. They've started throwing milkshakes at the fascist. For nigel. Nigel is Tommy Robinson and saga of cat have all been milkshake by these brave British patriots. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. This map that. A waste of a milkshake though. I mean, what's your favorite flavor? Their senator. Right. With ice cream and. Golota. No Orioles in their cross no Oreos at all frost, no flavors, vigilant pure pure of the Nelken, right. Like your economic okay consistency. Self, I prefer black white shared. Wow. Absolutely on Reddit thread about accidentally giving father herpes after his rate comes from. From the mirror, that's sexually active girl was on holiday, and used co fathers razor to touch a pub. Pub down before going on. You never know what's going to happen. Bye bye. On my case. This story would be it would be even funnier if, if it hadn't caused her spur parents to actually split up. They actually they actually this, because you can't becomes a cautionary more you. No one should be forced to split up and not be able to survive simply because they used Venus, well under the other. In socialist economies. Don't they tend to run out of things that are common like razor blades would actually have to share those? Her shift lines or actually a good thing. They're good. Not for her. Well to get you something. But you don't hear. Austrian official warned against a cow kissing challenge for Chabert. The official said the pastures are not petting zoos and get intimate with cows can have serious consequences. Wise. Senators. I think allowing ease allowing Bernie to do these Photoshop of that idea. Oh. I need more wine. Red line prisoner. Winer. That gives his take it away. It's a single. Switching to comedy because what that program. The talented and brave. Whatever Instagram to stick it to the patriots and shoulder world. What new motherhood is actually by snapping the picture with her. And she can we bring this little again, you wanna see that again? That. Case. Well, actually, I never I never have cookies Bill. The mental tie that I have to it. And by the way, why is this considered brave? Why is it brain for her to do that? Both the picture that a lot of women are doing these things as soon as you percentage of technical mishaps can happen to machines, by the way. I hope he doesn't. Precipitate passing the ball. Oh, yes. Look, it's just not. It's not a break. He's not funny, and it's not brave. Both of those things are wrong. Sorry. Alabama public television, they refused to air to gate wedding. So good of the children's program author fantastic rerun. Have you fellow? Rerun in Alabama of the hype highly publicized, in place of the I'm not used to using pro. Oh, yeah. You mean really? They ran a rerun instead of trying. Instead of a highly publicized, as you know, Mr. and the special someone what do you episode? Okay. Okay. Senator. How do you feel about that running mate? Essential running. Right. Are we talking about? Actually. Paul. We're going to. Yes, before, do you have a preferences yourself and people who are watching the comments section? Look. So there's no who you think is able candidate vile. I'm not gonna let you catch me well down. Well, no. But you start a little bit. I think the only I think the best candidates are going to have to be the ones that are millionaires. So that's why I love you read at the top of the list, they go and Beethoven would a book as well rather than playing third fiddle on third string late night, broke them who could probably. Exactly right. Suckled on for a while. Maybe we could be millionaires a. You have a. Buddha gig. I think for name alone because it's hilarious almost twenty democratic running this point, and I'm going to go through reasons for why you shouldn't vote for ready. People. I served in the military. A small town Indiana, but his greatest qualifcation of which he lets you know constantly. Certain plenty plenty of indications by the time I was fifteen or so that I could point to, like, yeah. Like this when I came out, Mike Pence was the governor of Indiana. When I joined the military, don't ask, don't tell was still the law of the land. That little screen on my phone and I saw the smile this guy. And I click the button on the right I had to meet them. The most important thing in my life. My marriage to Chaston. If that's your only qualification. Right. Is your sex your preference in sex or your gender? That's not much of a. Hey front pay. Pension. After. Simmer, happier than seeing Asian pitas. Said is not true. Come. Oh, wow. Holy cow. Actually started by San Francisco. Mayor Willie Brown. Politics. To sleeping with a while. She's. Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's the way it goes to prosecutor. No defended you probably could have felt reentering three strike law in California. She upheld, I believe was the only state that impose life sentences for third strike that could be even any, any minor felony lily streets as an Francisco, she's thrown in the clink. Well, reasonable doing that just all California, and it seems like that, that you're almost like Republican viewpoints. It's really interesting. You say that you're, you're bringing up very good reasons why so far that these people shouldn't be considered. Catcher break. Right back and you're back off. Okay. Never mind. Well. Cheese. She's pretending have you seen this Tempe? Paul. Dime. And nail. I didn't I didn't. It was a long time ago. She's with the Kansas news. College. Hi. Oh, yeah. Definitely snoop. Two. Pronounce your core? Way. I want to be part. Wow. Come on. Straight on. She graduated college. He's seven. Yeah. Right here. I tell the ninety so either she had a DeLorean. She was while simultaneously. In massive numbers. The reasonable church. Man over you were you, sixty five early ninety s four Schorr. Smoke the pot to right. I think we all know that you got into the manual today without smoking pot actually never took. Oh really only meth. Cries. Thank you for that. Bernie Sanders handler. Call me by claiming her favorite artists head clothing Marley. Okay. Do you have favorite band or favorite musician? I what am I favor? It's about Marley could choice. Oh my God. Bernie. She shoot the debt. Look at a bad when you're running. All right. Let's on the backs of the prisoners. He wants them to vote. Yes. Oh, that's right. Yeah, that's right. What do you think about that? Lawyer gets somewhat ironic that a lot of the folks put into prison, she now wants to vote. Probably all the way I think it's fair. That right under inconsistent for my colleagues won't speak badly of any of them. But that might send the vote to you. You never know because they're not gonna overheard straining. Okay. Warne list. This is the broad who recently called for boycott Fox News hate for profit that work. Yeah. No. This is important to note the differences to stand in stark. Contrast to the Fox News town halls in which me and my colleague, Pete beauty nigga. Correct. But Giggo in order to reach nephew. Hey, hey. I. All the colors. Paul number. So you don't like her is running me. I appreciate that you use poke hottest though, that at least shows that she's faking this this supposed what one one thousand or. Coming over to our side here little bit. She would qualify to get into your wife sold university with diversity number. Defunct. Oh. That's fun. Yeah. That happens, but we're going to do. Chris at straws for round. See Hayes plano. To the US as well from uncomfortable to play awkward as Biden down slightly, the so creepy to whisper Carter's ear. Guys are. Against Medicare for all say, two calls for some sort of universal health or something like Medicare for all from some of the other people running. I think they're well intended. I think that mean it is, and it's not I'm not, but here's the deal right now. You have sixty per you have this overwhelming number of employers painting healthcare plan. Why let them off to hook all of a sudden, they don't have to pay anything? What happens then to this whole thing about profit and wrist? I mean it is should be part of the compensation if you have it. Profits industry by Medicare frolic includes free mental health care and counseling for all the people against whom Biden's committed grievous, sexual assault. Ghana lower it could bankrupt the system, sir. I don't I don't know that we can support that I appreciate your care for the victims of biting. Yet is just warming the heart. Yes. But, but also the mental health care services that your champion, you should probably avail yourself of those services, as well, sir. Okay. Well, maybe, maybe better healthcare would be better than eighty. I'm not sure they're actually affected. We need real doctors here. Well, I can't sit on the couch for long because my creaky oh, I thought it was nice. Yes, those. I also had faced went by fast. Okay. Yeah. That that's. Girlfriend. Well. Find a way to notification bell and join at my club, but don't actually do it. No, you pay the money to do it. Lutely. I tunes. Well, he's Cory. Cory Booker, I do. While being fair is grandstanding yet. Okay. Yeah. Snack. I would actually ran at couldn't be. Yep. Yes. Very good. Couldn't be. He couldn't be more. Cringing. Than well. Perhaps this is a prime example when he made disclaim while tissue genuinely Grinstead, I'm going to release the Email about racial profiling, and I understand that, that the penalty comes with potential ousting from the Senate. And if Senator Cornyn believes that is Senate ruins, I openly invite. Again. So rules, you hang leasing Email right now, this is about the closest I'll probably ever have in my life to an IM spot at this moment. Toy Spartakist moment this, what, what else stands up because they have every. I'm quite sure you're playing seven minutes hit had beauty. That's actually probably true. Oh, by the way, that was one of the worst moments of Cory booker's career. He got outed, like the next like, hey, this information. Sorry, publicly failure. We'll put it out there. Gotta stay letters. You would never do something like you tell us half oriental, is that in fact, was he committing some act of prairie or was that, in fact, already the rules, it was already released. I think it is it does show a lot of urged to openly lie. Grandstand been I mean, I'm not willing to do it. So just like rows areo what she told you? That's gotta hurt. This guy. Mates litas hard made with five no death penalty logorrhoea this fruit and there is ice. There is a podcast. What? Called forty five. Oh my gosh. Look, I get thoughts. I thought that you would be for this. I thought Margaritas having vodka because of your love for Russia. They produce tons of thought that, that would be cool with you. I am a fan of the Soviet Union. Jimmy buffett? Margaritas. Not Margarita Ville. Totally different. You're hearing aid. If you can't hear me, what one of the Margarita, failed machines, the hive on gift from rushing. Dose feel. Vary town policy. Yes. Twenty percent off on that. It's worth. Dyson from you at all. These these these, these critiques seem a little bit self serving this kind of leaves us with one person year merrily to vote for on that side. Is that reason point fair point believe we'll talk about it before? I hear have Orientals clothing thoughts with Mark Levin. I just don't. Tell you about. Do it. I still very important if you want me to live Detroit, my and. And. It's only ninety nine dollars annually sixty nine per students. Veterans empty military, and you get access to the entire place log this and, and I can't retraite now and access to school, daily programs and. Go. Oh, please. Join my club. No. Now. Cream. Stop stop. Look, let's turn to one part of this, that, I find most interesting because whenever you have an organization like this, or like I'm thinking of other movements like blades and things like this. So I had some time to calm down a little bit he'd before joke. It's okay for on the first break. It's true. Stoop? Our next guest, I have here. I haven't fought me, he I don't watch his program, full excluded, but it's on Fox News. Blaze TV Levin TV and his new book is unfreedom. Of the press, Mark, Mr. Levin. Thank thank you for coming on the program. It is a great honour kind of. Thank you. I appreciate it. I. You'll book Mark unfreedom of, of the press. Yes. Can you explain it for people notably audience who has not read it? Yes. Well. You're very good, by the way, I think the problem, we have here in our country is, we do not have a free press. We've a media immediate likes people like you a media, that's made of people like you a media that basically advances a social activism, progressivism, democrat, party Genda. We have about eighty percent of the Republicans who reject it. That eighty percent of the Democrats who love it. When you look at your favorite network CNN and MSNBC or your favorite newspapers Pravda, I mean, the New York Times and the Washington Post you can see that again. It is loaded with people who are pushing your opinion, rather, the news, look to be for, for a moment. Mark, I want to be clear. You've sort of alluded, that the American press is gone from being dispatched scrape bastion of objective journalism, too. Affectively degenerating into more of a standardless profession to have that approximately. Correct. You do have it approximately. Correct. And basically. Yourself? Me. No, I'm just a little part of the media. But I'm not part of the news media. That's for sure. Mark, mark. We have three shows tonight. You have a lot of programs out there in the media. Bernie. Let me tell you something. I've asked you to come on every one of them, and you won't come on any of my shows why is that? Listen, Vermont is a very diverse busy steak and I have can always be appearing on every show that, that, but I will make it a point after this program to appear. Yeah, we love to have you on because I want to dig into your philosophy on Marxism and Hegel, ISM and Russo ISM and hemorrhoids is the whole thing. Look that is a misrepresentation of what I believe. Okay. I do not want the United States to be like Venezuela, which people have said. I want a very careful and system like you would see Catalonia in the nineteen thirties, which was very successful, Mark. So let's not do the misrepresenting of each other's voices here. But it is your presupposition that the media is far left. Correct. When you yourself have on Fox News. Yeah. Okay. That's like Israel in the middle of the Middle East. You know, the fact is that the rest of the Middle East would be like the American media. You know, you look at the New York Times the New York Times lied about the holocaust. I'd say that's pretty bad Bernie and the New York Times lied about the wiping out of ten million Ukrainians by Stalin. I'd say that was pretty bad, too, and they call themselves the paper record. All the news, that's fit to print. I, I just don't buy into that lie. About holocaust that is that is combusted divisive. Is. Mark. Well, I don't know many scholars have pointed it out. I just decided to make it available to them vast majority of the American people that the New York Times pushed the holocaust which back pages where I come from. That's pretty bad. Also, they did the same thing with this Lord of the cranium as I point, but we'll even have this Russia collusion thing, you're familiar with Russia. You know you spent your honeymoon in Moscow, you know, better than I do. That's true. And that went on. Wonderful screens. I do not shy away from it. I've been very open about this. Marsh was a very beautiful place that I think that, of course, President Trump has colluded with and bring to my, my next point Mark, Mark. We're getting off topic, where do you lineup on impeachment? I believe that we should impeach Nancy Pelosi and maybe Chuck Schumer, although they're not subject to and maybe expel them. I reject impeachment of the president United States. He's a victim. He's police state tactics out of the FBI and the department of Justice, there is already criminal investigation. We have Jerry Nadler, you know, Jerry, you guys who's to hang around in the same basements, and so forth. You got guys like Jerry Nadler and other leftists mostly out of New York, and San Francisco, LA and so forth, and they're trying to topple this presidency and disenfranchise, sixty three million people who voted for this president. They put out these phony subpoenas for his personal records. But the president's billionaire, you're a multi-millionaire Nancy Pelosi's, where tens of millions of dollars. So maybe everybody's tax. If you write out a New York Times bestselling book you could be a multimillionaire to. It's not fear character. I'm not. Mark. It's Nonni for personal insults. I've written two bestselling books. Yes. You not everybody has done, and I have paid my fish here at which point, Hulu deserve a third lighthouse. Okay. Fairly so yourself it sounds to me like you don't. A bit of, of what aboutism, Mark. What about what about what about demand office, who is volka? Dangerous and his deregulated economy. That is frankly, hurt the middle class. Mark. I don't mind what aboutism, by the way. It's one is in my like beats Marxism and socialism. Anyway. What do I think about the president actually the middle class has expanded that there is job creation, we call capitalism tax cuts, reducing government reducing regulations? That's why we have such great wealth in this country. And that's why we have such great growth, that's by the biggest middle class of any society in the face of the earth. That's why you can go into a supermarket and purchase virtually anything you want. We lived like kings and queens compared to two hundred years ago. Unlike your Venezuela, or Cuba, or all the other experiments that take place. Yes, I talk about places why. Swayed. And like Vermont. We do we have in Vermont live law of social system. We don't leave anybody left behind Mark. But let me ask you final. We do have to get the book is unfreedom of the press from a man hosts for programs in Prenton. So Mark, which is currently running. You think has in your station. Of beating Mr. Trump. I think John Hickenlooper I think that's his name. I think John Hickenlooper or Hicken Hooper, or whatever his name is. I think he has the best chance. I think that looks pretty good on a bumper sticker, or maybe Andrew Yang. I understand your Yang is running for president of this country. So I put my money on those paths like should rephrase a witch senior citizen, who happens to beat them, predicated believe, would most likely effectively, we Donald Trump. I'd say Elizabeth Warren, she looks a little long in the tooth. I suspect she might have a shot at. Rephrase. Who? Or currently. You couldn't be Donald Trump. Joe biden. Bloke. Clouds clouds. I'm Bernie Sanders had I the only member of the DNC Frente last election cycle cannot get it off from the NRA Dada team. I this so, you know, my opinion matters fair. I don't know much about firearms, but I hear good things. This so called bird doesn't fly and it's protected by the US government. No one knew why until now. Since the dawn of time the ground owl, has been there for every tragedy society as ever known had the ear of kings leaders throughout the world, the ground our burrowed its way into every aspect of our culture. And influenced even the most prestigious influencers. Even Washington C it self was designed to pay homage to this vile creature and this is only the beginning. Join us on Crowder conspiracies as we finally expose the ground owl. Crane, Dow STAN. I have to say that the I am not what you fame of the program, but I want of. Of the I appreciate it. Thanks for coming out. I mean it wasn't great. But. Good job. So I do wanna talk in this segment. I get ESTES a lot. On the campaign trail. A question for many American citizens from the heart, and I'd like to pick you up to retire answer this for. For all Americans, not just the ones who will vote for me. But for all. We find ourselves in tough times. Unemployment in this country is almost reporting on percent average individual wages have slowed the less than five and a half percent growth over here. Sure there's a job surplus. But for many of you, these are not the jobs you want. It will test break across the board has put more money in most people's pockets Fisher. It is disproportionately put more money in the pockets of the eastern. And this is too many people to feel that the American dream, is that, that the lifestyle your parents may be enjoyed. Is out of reach for many. And I spit. If the American is dead and the pertains to the question of any meaningful change to reverse course. Many people who talked, they feel you feel hopeless. Art. Most of us the ten percent. That's the carrot dangled. Like a rabbit on the trickle. If you see. Seen rats on the treadmill. Yeah. With the weep going around and but there's no carrot. So I want to take this opportunity for, for many of you who feel hopeless. To tell you that as a public figure, and it's one who wants to inspire many of you to, to understand what's going on in our country. Hopeless. Okay. Make it in this country. How? Why? What may not? Possible. What? Do you have to? Paul yourself fireboats tracks. He'll sat up. Hello. Twits traps anymore. They may. Make it America made. That's just what. Out. From somewhere.

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"Hi everybody it's Chris Matthews host of the new. MSNBC PODCAST say you want to be president. It's about the lessons learned from campaigns. That got their across six episodes. I talked talk to campaign veterans about six timeless themes that separate the winners from the losers. You can stay right here and listen to the first episode and to get the entire series search search for president wherever you're listening right now and subscribe friends delegates and fellow Americans. I accept your nomination. So you WANNA be president. I'm Chris Matty some hardball on MSNBC. I've watched so many people run for their party party nomination but only a few who had to get it Madam Chairwoman and let's I have a privilege given few Americans for all those who believe that our best days are ahead of us. I proudly only accept your nomination. WanNa be president. This show is about what you have to do to get your nomination. These are the lessons learned from campaigns. 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You get America's attention you stand out for voters inside a national spotlight as the election counter races onto New Hampshire and beyond John. Kennedy's haven't always thought winning. I was worth it. The first is so its value. Was Jimmy mccarter. He put the Iowa caucuses on the map on asking me the next night. I'm running for president. Did that thank the much in nineteen seventy five in one thousand nine hundred seventy six. Jimmy Carter went all in in Iowa. He needed to outside the south. Georgia governor was unknown to most people and he's up against a crowded more established field to win an Iowa. Jimmy Carter champion. Something called retail politics. He took his underdog campaign to the people giving me. I won't Sheila Hi. I'm giving a funny shooting film of Him. Meeting people people shaking hands by name. Is Jimmy Carter burning for president Jerry. RAPP Shin was part of Jimmy Carter's campaigns in the early days. I for Georgia governor then for the White White House Jerry. Random film shoots created all the campaign ads and was part of the team who dreamed up winning Iowa Strategy. It look life if we get all the national attention who would all be director. Ken This guy. Do it again in New Hampshire. It was very clear that they were working the state and had it all mapped out. Judy Woodruff also watched him Carter in his early days as a politician. Did you know her. Today is anchoring Managing Editor for the PBS Newshour in the Early Nineteen Seventy S. She was a rookie journalist working in Atlanta I had just just gone to work for NBC. And I started telling my my bosses at NBC. You gotta pay attention to this Governor Carter and they looked at me like I had a hole in my head the freedom prejudice. Because you are. I am apart prejudice. I'm GonNa Michio Jimmy Carter. Was You know obviously thing not a creature of Washington not somebody who they thought you know. They thought thick southern accent. Who who does he think he is and I kept saying to them? You know you really need to pay attention to this guy. He's going somewhere judy. Woodruff was right. Jimmy Carter playbook look we go on to become less than one for campaigns win Iowa with retail politics. Climb inside the national spotlight and hanging there all the wait the nomination roots of Jimmy. Carter's playbook and I would took shape long before his presidential run John. Carter was then a first time candidate for Georgia governor. He was up against some big time politicians. He needed. Help Jerry we wrap. Shane was young advertising executive in Atlanta. A friend offered him a job on the Carter campaign fellow by name. Hal Gulliver who was editor. It became editor around the constitution. Said Jerry You ought to do Jimmy. Carter's campaign you ought to do the advertising. He's a friend of mine. Nine and I said how I can't do that. I just start the advertising agency but then I was driving my car down down peach tree on a Saturday and I heard a commercial come on the air and it was country and western singer singing. enghien Jimmy Carter is name. Jimmy Carter is name. Jimmy Carter is the number one for governor. I almost went off the road. I went to a filling station and I called Gulliver and I said he your friend Carter needs help. He's told you why don't you just tell them to take the damn jingle off. I'm not going to. That's free advice. So the following Monday night I was babysitting. My wife was out and Gulliver calls me up and says Carta just fired Ziad Guy. And he's got sixty thousand dollars. There's to spend the pronoun the camp of silly election which is two months away and wants to know how you're going to spend that so I go up and the a headquarters was a suite at the plaza. Hotel were all politicos. Hung out the door opens and in walks. This Guy Jimmy mccarter and he's with three people and so they said well. What have you got? I said well you need to do away with all your billboards boards and you've got sixty thousand dollars that's put it all on television and will follow you around the state and so what's the message and I said there's a demand coming to your town. His name is Jimmy Carter. He's running for governor. They say he can't win. It's not up to them to decide who can win you decide decide. Who can win? Go see him talk to him. Find out what he has to say better yet. You tell them what you have to say. Silence in the room and the political science professor said this is a disaster. You'd never say you can't win and I said He's not number number one he's fourth. It's not the truth. That doesn't matter. I said well. Jimmy Jimmy's reaction all this chess. He's sitting there watching being made and he turned to them and said. Let me talk to this guy alone I said. And he said of. Don't argue with these folks folks. These are good folks and I need them. Now let's two year campaign. Oh and I fell in love because he believed in you. Yeah we follow around the state. We we shot footage in became a Carter trademark. He went to the factory gates. They went all over and then he called me a few months later and said we're GonNa do it again with me and of course I was the only job I could get in in. Journalism was the secretary secretary in the newsroom of the ABC affiliate in Atlanta. And they hired me right out right out of Duke I answered the phone cleaned. The film's emptied the trash and ultimately persuaded them that I really wanted report. Couldn't get a job there but was hired with a CBS station in Atlanta to cover over politics. The first assignment I had was covering the Henry. County fight over highways In Georgia but it wasn't not long after that that Jimmy Carter and others announce they this was nineteen seventy and Jimmy Carter and others announced. They were running for governor and and he had his journey. That wasn't the only assignment I had. I covered a lot. I was general assignment but that was where I first met Jimmy Carter. I watched him mount on the trail met Rosalyn. And you know really was captivated by the Carter Mystique. If you want to call it that did you get his sense for instance. He could go national that he was that kind of big time. Big League politician not then but but after he was elected shoe or by the end of that year and I I saw him in office and I saw how effective he was. I'm I know the point came watching him a deal with the Georgia legislature. And frankly he didn't have a lot of respect for most of them He worked with them but he essentially liked to tell them what to do and what he thought. But that's that was Jimmy. Carter people watched when he was governor. Jimmy Carter had bigger plans so did his closest advisers Hamilton Hamilton Jordan. Who ran the Carter Campaign Jerry raft soon and others took the lessons learned from the Georgia racist and put their heads together about the governor's chances in in a presidential run Iowa would be crucial to their national strategy? We told the governor. We wanted to come see him about his future car and he said Okay So. We got to the governor's mansion and we laid out. Why he had the advantage? The South had never had had a president for one hundred Twenty Years Union count. Johnson is at West right but also he did not get elected the first time. You're not a racist. You can be George Wallace in the South who went through the list of all things being a governor Watergate Watergate was going on and he says well. What do you guys want to do? And we said we'll come back and bring you a plan and running it all states. This is right after the Nixon sweep about govern one forty nine states. Yeah and he said okay. I'm GONNA do it. And the plan was beat Kennedy in the North in New Hampshire and be Wallace in Florida. As of this time here in the state that I love surrounded by friends of mine from all over the nation I like to announce that I am a candidate for president when he enhanced as for president. Did that surprise you. At the time he announced I knew he was. I knew for a little for a little bit of time that he was going to run. You had he would have have national politicians come to visit him. I remember Hubert Humphrey I just. I just remember a parade of Democrats coming through Atlanta. He was on the move. He was trying to be a player in National Democratic Party politics so we knew he had great ambition and the people around him. The young young guys is around him. Did what did you make. The remember headline of the Atlanta Journal Constitution said Jimmy. Who is running for what it's because the people people he didn't have everybody's respect? I mean a lot of first of all locally. A lot of people thought it was crazy for Georgian to run for president. I mean mean that. It just didn't compute here was a guy who had been a peanut farmer a yes sure he had had a progressive term in office But but where were the ingredients that we're going to propel him to the White House and it just it just didn't add up for president. Nineteen seventy four. It was a major headline them. Throw a gun jimmy running a what. Aw Class announced for president more than a year before Iowa. Judy Woodruff knew what he was up up against. She'd seen him run aground campaign for governor as the underdog outsider at the time she s the candidate about his approach for the seventy six campaign pain. There are still many people from outside the south. Apparently who are a little reluctant to accept the idea of US president from the south. How do you deal with that? I don't believe the sectional prejudice still exists out camping all the country. I probably travel more. Talk more and listen to more people and questions than any other human. Being this year I started my own campaign. I didn't have any political organization. Not much money nobody. Nobody knew who I was. We begin to go from one living room to another one labor hall to another up and down the streets back to shift lines barbershops Josh Good Polish restaurant shaking hand talking to people and Leslie when you saw his campaign style you talked about your first impression. He was very much. We call retailer or maybe one. The one I contact spend some time with a person. Bill Clinton was like that a lot of. We've met people that you think that would translate when you had to go national. I would love to tell you Chris that I knew that I had knew that he had some magic. What I knew was that? He was deeply ambitious organized. The people around him and that they had some kind of plan they weren't sharing it early on and you had to take them seriously. They were looking at the country they were looking at moving moving out and and figuring out a way to get it done. I didn't know that had no way of knowing we never gonNA win. But I knew that you couldn't just write these folks off. There's a new kind of credit card created by Apple. It's called Apple Card and it lives in your wallet APP and in Your Wallet. You can buy things with with apple pay or a laser etched titanium card. It sets a whole new level for privacy and security and it gives you daily cash back with every purchase. Oh and you can apply in minutes. Just open the wallet APP on your iphone tap the plus button to get started to learn more at checkout apple dot co slash. Get Apple Card available available for qualifying applicants in the United States issued by Goldman Sachs Bank. USA Salt Lake City branch. It was not until Johnny Apple New York Times when out in the countryside and our and talk to people you know teachers and policemen and and I guess bartenders and others and he sized up what we already knew about our and wrote a headline in The New York Times that the other reporters ever dreamed that I might coming I in our they look at me as coming in fifth or six because they very seldom we've got out of them on. They would stay there you know and enjoy themselves and talk to each other but he actually went out and and and got opinions from people around the state and he's any projected. I was GONNA win. Which I did was just amazed a lot of people and focused attention on me which is very beneficial? That was Jimmy Carter appearing on C. Span recently about the legendary New York Times reporter Johnny Apple Apple and others on the campaign trail were known as the boys on the bus. Jimmy Carter's Iowa's strategy was coming into focus. It was working and national reporters looked Judy Woodruff Adrift for insights on the underdogs approach to winning elections one voter and a time. Those are the glory days of the boys in the bus. That's when you had the big names this Johnny Apple and Broder was just starting really allow them today. Take them seriously because you'd be bumping into them on the bus and elsewhere N.. Jim wooten well of course he he did. He wrote a book about it. He covered him new new a little bit better and there were some national reporters who had spent time in Atlanta and there were folks like bill ship. You know local Georgia reporters Atlanta Constitution. Who who knew more about him but even even they didn't have an idea that he was? I mean none of us could know that how far he was intimately GonNa go but we knew there was the ambition And and the rest of it But yeah I mean I remember talking to Johnny Apple to David The beloved Johnny. The beloved David Broder Early on Because they were curious about him they looked at him and saw. There was something something different but they were trying to figure out what is the. What's the secret ingredient here? And they did talk to us those of us who had covered him for a few years. You know to try to. Did you tell them judy. I mean I learned a lot from those guys. But you're right. They were looking to me a whole lot of other local reporters who had covered in him for some clues walls guilt around Washington. And we feel like we can't quite get through to guarantee the people of this country or government the sensitive to our needs. We can understand and control this competent competent well managed efficient economical purposeful and also government which we can be proud. Jimmy Carter a leader her for a change ads like this one. We're new for presidential campaigns. They showed the candidate on the campaign trail. They captured everything the handshakes six conversations the speeches Gerry Rafferty and his film crew pioneered the approach and turned their footage into into campaign ads for Iowa television. The Myth was you. Don't do television in Iowa. It's all on the ground beating eating working around the state but we had a guy riding around the state but it just happens that he was bit we brought her own television crew with them and shooting film Elm of him meeting people. Shaking as my name is Jimmy Carter and burning for president so it looked like if we could win Iowa we could. It would help us when New Hampshire. I'm sure why was it important. It Carter was known for shaking hands with lots of people. Thousands and thousands of people shake hands with staying overnight in their houses sleeping on their couches. That's right. Why was it important to do that on film? And what was the connection between him retailing as we say in politics and then you wholesaling it on television basically basically the same thing Carter shaken hands because it was bringing the message to all the people that he didn't shake hands. As with this is multiplying. It was multiplying and balanced budgets. I believe in screening limiting programs that are long past for that a useful. He was perfect on television but also we had spots of him talking about the issues. People were saying he wasn't talking about the issues so I did five minutes spots as I said I said if anybody spends five minutes with Jimmy. They're gonNA vote for her choice to be made between government private industry. If it's an equal choice I go to private industry. This is a kind of concept that is generally considered the conservative. But at the same time I believe and human being an equal opportunity and freedom and equality of opportunity. And I'll fight for if you agree. Read that government should be sent. You agree with Jimmy Carter on this issue. Vote for him. This comes you laughing. Because because gene McCarthy arthy Senator McCain who ran for president to what he said the way to become an issues candidate is the used. The word issues over. No I I did so. I'm running on the issues. I'm an issues candidate. His low as you say the word issues. The people think you're in issues candidate right. So Initiative Initiative candidate meeting people. Thank you very much. I also isn't Atlantic. You'll remember Jimmy Carter crisscrossed. This crossed Iowa. He was running against a big field. Before this year's campaign nineteen seventy six was the largest democratic field modern history. Carter's playbook dictated the importance of winning in Iowa. He did so by breaking away from that democratic pack the candidates were really not after delegates. It's here in Iowa what the candidates were after was a boost some momentum to carry them into the primary battles ahead and a big boost is exactly what Jimmy Carter got. The did you get to cover him on the ground And I would watch them doing that. Door to door hyphen. Some of it. I saw some of it in in the fall of seventy five When we spent a few days traveling the state with him driving around watching him interviewing people whose wear who had let him stay in their homes overnight who were completely smitten with Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter? It was like they were longtime friends. It was like the Jimmy Carter Magic. He just managed is to win people over. He worked it door to door person to person coffee group by Coffee Group. They knew who the key the Democrats were that they had to win over on the to their side and they D- they work. Those people really yard and those folks were already very loyal by the time I got there and what October of seventy those folks were already very loyal to him and talked about him like he was you know they. They knew he was. He's going to win political science question. Okay how did he distinguish himself from the Liberal Paki ran against without basically describing himself as not oughta liberal not a progressive. I think he was just very clever in the way he talked about it. I mean I'm sure there was some formula behind it. It was just conservative. -servative enough on some things and liberal enough on others that it worked and then there was the overlay of the personality. You know in the big toothy grin the hair kind of falling in his eye and You know the whole the whole story and the fact you know that he and Rosalyn didn't they didn't put on airs. I mean they were themselves elves and they and they never hid the fact that they were from plains Georgia small town. They weren't poor and they you know they didn't hide that they made the most that these were all the ingredients. Jimmy Carter Iowa playbook. I'm honest honest. I'm a former businessman and an engineer and a navy veteran. I'm not from Washington. I'm a little bit liberal and a a little bit conservative and it's nice to meet you. Carter took that message. Oliver Iowa voters bought it. Reporters took note on January nineteenth. Nineteen seventy six. The date for Iowa's caucuses. The Jimmy Carter playbook was put to the test Gerry. Rafferty and and others on the counter campaign. Were already pivoting to New Hampshire and beyond. Did you think you were going to win in Iowa. Yes and when you thought you were going to win. What did you plan well? Every all the candidates were going to Iowa for election for the night of that and we thought we were going to win so anyway so we decided that he would be in New York in the hotel watching it because I was before all the networks quirks picture of the today show and the other shows would going to Iowa. They didn't do that and so the results came in. We were undecided was first but of all the real people. Jimmy Carter was very much the winner and so the next morning. He was on the today show. And then you're headed to New Hampshire to New Hampshire. Here are the first political returns for the year. Nineteen seventy-six six yesterday about fifty thousand Democrats in Iowa met in caucuses in homes churches and fire houses to choose delegates for their state party convention. Most of them. We're still uncommitted thirty-seven percent but former Georgia governor. Jimmy Carter did extremely well with twenty seven percent of the delegate preferences. More than twice as many the Indiana Senator Birch by three times as many as Fred Harris the former Oklahoma Senator Carter was a new Hampshire today grinning from ear to ear. His victory yesterday was a great symbolic importance. There were those today who were using the word front runner to describe Carter. My name Jimmy Carter. And I'm running for president. Jimmy Carter went on to win the Democratic nomination. His Iowa playbook had wirt part. I asked about what it all means for candidates. Today I mean for me the big lesson is somebody can come out of nowhere or what appears to be nowhere air and win that Just because we don't know whoever it is in Washington and they don't they aren't connected to everybody we know. On Capitol Hill the press. They can still rock it. Make it to the top. Except for a couple of cases where Gephardt one out there and the local guy won there in ninety ninety. Two the winner wins it's an astounding meaning winning in Iowa. What do you think about that? I it's the first stop. It just seems to give a tremendous gust of wind behind whoever wins and every election people say. Oh It's not gonNA happen again you know surely a place like this can't be the bellwether all-weather for an election and it hasn't been for both parties. I mean we know the Republicans haven't haven't seen the you know their winters in Iowa haven't always gone on to win the nomination but it Chris. I think it's I think. Democrats really do want to fall in love with their nominee with their the the person they're going to vote for for President Iowa gives you a place to fall in love. You're going door to door people wanna meet you an in. Somebody's living room or kitchen around coffee the table at a coffee shop They WanNA shake your hand. They WanNa look you in the eye. You know it's got to be somebody who who believes believes what you believe but it also has to be somebody. You're personally comfortable with and Jimmy Carter managed to win there again in nineteen eighty against Ted Kennedy a total upset again and a friend of mine out there. Assessor WHO's working for Carter said well the last person leaving des Moines. Please turn out the lights his name. Let me ask you the last question. Can you skip Iowa and win the dominates the Democratic Party. I wish I were smart enough to tell you the answer Chris I th. I think it's very tough but I don't. I don't rule anything out. I think we are in a different moment right now. With with President Trump. He's somebody is you know you know very well who generates incredible loyalty and incredible distrust and dislike and worse it is. It is hard to imagine how somebody who hasn't laid the groundwork who hasn't been asked this day after day after day and put in the you know the the hard hard labor in Iowa and New Hampshire and the other states is GonNa make it but if these candidates don't look strong coming out of these early contests. I could see the possibility that the voters take a look and say okay. What does this guy have to offer? So it's a maybe I'm judy woodruff front row seat Jimmy. Carter's win in Iowa today. She's anchor and managing editor the PBS news out Gerry. Rafferty ran advertising for Jimmy Carter in Iowa and went on to direct communications in the Carter White House. So you WANNA be president. Here's a preview of less than two year after year. Voters want to see if candidates. This can show some spontaneity something beyond the talking points the delights Iran in. Somebody's home you know one of the parts of politics that we forget about. Is You have to show that you are on an even Keel your well-balanced you get the joke you're good natured. We may give you the nuclear codes someday if you win. We'll explain next time. I'm Chris Matthews with hardball on MSNBC Z.. Thanks so much for listening. Hey It's Chris as this week on my podcast wise is happening. I'll be talking with sports. Writer Howard Bryant talk about the Astros cheating scandal which is Wild Wi- Colin Kaepernick still isn't playing in the N._F._l.. And the intersection of Race Sports in Donald Trump's America. That's this week. I'm why is this happening available now. Wherever you're listening to this podcast?

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"Hi everybody it's Chris Matthews host of the new. MSNBC PODCAST say you want to be president. It's about the lessons learned from campaigns. That got their across six episodes. I talked talk to campaign veterans about six timeless themes that separate the winners from the losers. You can stay right here and listen to the first episode and to get the entire series search search for president wherever you're listening right now and subscribe friends delegates and fellow Americans. I accept your nomination. So you WANNA be president. I'm Chris Matty some hardball on MSNBC. I've watched so many people run for their party party nomination but only a few who had to get it Madam Chairwoman and let's I have a privilege given few Americans for all those who believe that our best days are ahead of us. I proudly only accept your nomination. WanNa be president. This show is about what you have to do to get your nomination. These are the lessons learned from campaigns. 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You get America's attention you stand out for voters inside a national spotlight as the election counter races onto New Hampshire and beyond John. Kennedy's haven't always thought winning. I was worth it. The first is so its value. Was Jimmy mccarter. He put the Iowa caucuses on the map on asking me the next night. I'm running for president. Did that thank the much in nineteen seventy five in one thousand nine hundred seventy six. Jimmy Carter went all in in Iowa. He needed to outside the south. Georgia governor was unknown to most people and he's up against a crowded more established field to win an Iowa. Jimmy Carter champion. Something called retail politics. He took his underdog campaign to the people giving me. I won't Sheila Hi. I'm giving a funny shooting film of Him. Meeting people people shaking hands by name. Is Jimmy Carter burning for president Jerry. RAPP Shin was part of Jimmy Carter's campaigns in the early days. I for Georgia governor then for the White White House Jerry. Random film shoots created all the campaign ads and was part of the team who dreamed up winning Iowa Strategy. It look life if we get all the national attention who would all be director. Ken This guy. Do it again in New Hampshire. It was very clear that they were working the state and had it all mapped out. Judy Woodruff also watched him Carter in his early days as a politician. Did you know her. Today is anchoring Managing Editor for the PBS Newshour in the Early Nineteen Seventy S. She was a rookie journalist working in Atlanta I had just just gone to work for NBC. And I started telling my my bosses at NBC. You gotta pay attention to this Governor Carter and they looked at me like I had a hole in my head the freedom prejudice. Because you are. I am apart prejudice. I'm GonNa Michio Jimmy Carter. Was You know obviously thing not a creature of Washington not somebody who they thought you know. They thought thick southern accent. Who who does he think he is and I kept saying to them? You know you really need to pay attention to this guy. He's going somewhere judy. Woodruff was right. Jimmy Carter playbook look we go on to become less than one for campaigns win Iowa with retail politics. Climb inside the national spotlight and hanging there all the wait the nomination roots of Jimmy. Carter's playbook and I would took shape long before his presidential run John. Carter was then a first time candidate for Georgia governor. He was up against some big time politicians. He needed. Help Jerry we wrap. Shane was young advertising executive in Atlanta. A friend offered him a job on the Carter campaign fellow by name. Hal Gulliver who was editor. It became editor around the constitution. Said Jerry You ought to do Jimmy. Carter's campaign you ought to do the advertising. He's a friend of mine. Nine and I said how I can't do that. I just start the advertising agency but then I was driving my car down down peach tree on a Saturday and I heard a commercial come on the air and it was country and western singer singing. enghien Jimmy Carter is name. Jimmy Carter is name. Jimmy Carter is the number one for governor. I almost went off the road. I went to a filling station and I called Gulliver and I said he your friend Carter needs help. He's told you why don't you just tell them to take the damn jingle off. I'm not going to. That's free advice. So the following Monday night I was babysitting. My wife was out and Gulliver calls me up and says Carta just fired Ziad Guy. And he's got sixty thousand dollars. There's to spend the pronoun the camp of silly election which is two months away and wants to know how you're going to spend that so I go up and the a headquarters was a suite at the plaza. Hotel were all politicos. Hung out the door opens and in walks. This Guy Jimmy mccarter and he's with three people and so they said well. What have you got? I said well you need to do away with all your billboards boards and you've got sixty thousand dollars that's put it all on television and will follow you around the state and so what's the message and I said there's a demand coming to your town. His name is Jimmy Carter. He's running for governor. They say he can't win. It's not up to them to decide who can win you decide decide. Who can win? Go see him talk to him. Find out what he has to say better yet. You tell them what you have to say. Silence in the room and the political science professor said this is a disaster. You'd never say you can't win and I said He's not number number one he's fourth. It's not the truth. That doesn't matter. I said well. Jimmy Jimmy's reaction all this chess. He's sitting there watching being made and he turned to them and said. Let me talk to this guy alone I said. And he said of. Don't argue with these folks folks. These are good folks and I need them. Now let's two year campaign. Oh and I fell in love because he believed in you. Yeah we follow around the state. We we shot footage in became a Carter trademark. He went to the factory gates. They went all over and then he called me a few months later and said we're GonNa do it again with me and of course I was the only job I could get in in. Journalism was the secretary secretary in the newsroom of the ABC affiliate in Atlanta. And they hired me right out right out of Duke I answered the phone cleaned. The film's emptied the trash and ultimately persuaded them that I really wanted report. Couldn't get a job there but was hired with a CBS station in Atlanta to cover over politics. The first assignment I had was covering the Henry. County fight over highways In Georgia but it wasn't not long after that that Jimmy Carter and others announce they this was nineteen seventy and Jimmy Carter and others announced. They were running for governor and and he had his journey. That wasn't the only assignment I had. I covered a lot. I was general assignment but that was where I first met Jimmy Carter. I watched him mount on the trail met Rosalyn. And you know really was captivated by the Carter Mystique. If you want to call it that did you get his sense for instance. He could go national that he was that kind of big time. Big League politician not then but but after he was elected shoe or by the end of that year and I I saw him in office and I saw how effective he was. I'm I know the point came watching him a deal with the Georgia legislature. And frankly he didn't have a lot of respect for most of them He worked with them but he essentially liked to tell them what to do and what he thought. But that's that was Jimmy. Carter people watched when he was governor. Jimmy Carter had bigger plans so did his closest advisers Hamilton Hamilton Jordan. Who ran the Carter Campaign Jerry raft soon and others took the lessons learned from the Georgia racist and put their heads together about the governor's chances in in a presidential run Iowa would be crucial to their national strategy? We told the governor. We wanted to come see him about his future car and he said Okay So. We got to the governor's mansion and we laid out. Why he had the advantage? The South had never had had a president for one hundred Twenty Years Union count. Johnson is at West right but also he did not get elected the first time. You're not a racist. You can be George Wallace in the South who went through the list of all things being a governor Watergate Watergate was going on and he says well. What do you guys want to do? And we said we'll come back and bring you a plan and running it all states. This is right after the Nixon sweep about govern one forty nine states. Yeah and he said okay. I'm GONNA do it. And the plan was beat Kennedy in the North in New Hampshire and be Wallace in Florida. As of this time here in the state that I love surrounded by friends of mine from all over the nation I liked announce that I am a candidate for president when he enhanced as for president. Did that surprise you. At the time he announced I knew he was. I knew for a little for a little bit of time that he was going to run. You had he would have have national politicians come to visit him. I remember Hubert Humphrey I just. I just remember a parade of Democrats coming through Atlanta. He was on the move. He was trying to be a player in National Democratic Party politics so we knew he had great ambition and the people around him. The young young guys is around him. Did what did you make. The remember headline of the Atlanta Journal Constitution said Jimmy. Who is running for what it's because the people people he didn't have everybody's respect? I mean a lot of first of all locally. A lot of people thought it was crazy for Georgian to run for president. I mean mean that. It just didn't compute here was a guy who had been a peanut farmer a yes sure he had had a progressive term in office But but where were the ingredients that we're going to propel him to the White House and it just it just didn't add up for president. Nineteen seventy four. It was a major headline them. Throw a gun jimmy running a what. Aw Class announced for president more than a year before Iowa. Judy Woodruff knew what he was up up against. She'd seen him run aground campaign for governor as the underdog outsider at the time she s the candidate about his approach for the seventy six campaign pain. There are still many people from outside the south. Apparently who are a little reluctant to accept the idea of US president from the south. How do you deal with that? I don't believe the sectional prejudice still exists out camping all the country. I probably travel more. Talk more and listen to more people and questions than any other human. Being this year I started my own campaign. I didn't have any political organization. Not much money nobody. Nobody knew who I was. We begin to go from one living room to another one labor hall to another up and down the streets back to shift lines barbershops Josh Good Polish restaurant shaking hand talking to people and Leslie when you saw his campaign style you talked about your first impression. He was very much. We call retailer or maybe one. The one I contact spend some time with a person. Bill Clinton was like that a lot of. We've met people that you think that would translate when you had to go national. I would love to tell you Chris that I knew that I had knew that he had some magic. What I knew was that? He was deeply ambitious organized. The people around him and that they had some kind of plan they weren't sharing it early on and you had to take them seriously. They were looking at the country they were looking at moving moving out and and figuring out a way to get it done. I didn't know that had no way of knowing we never gonNA win. But I knew that you couldn't just write these folks off. There's a new kind of credit card created by Apple. It's called Apple Card and it lives in your wallet APP and in Your Wallet. You can buy things with with apple pay or a laser etched titanium card. It sets a whole new level for privacy and security and it gives you daily cash back with every purchase. Oh and you can apply in minutes. Just open the wallet APP on your iphone tap the plus button to get started to learn more at checkout apple dot co slash. Get Apple Card available available for qualifying applicants in the United States issued by Goldman Sachs Bank. USA Salt Lake City branch. It was not until Johnny Apple New York Times when out in the countryside and our and talk to people you know teachers and policemen and and I guess bartenders and others and he sized up what we already knew about our and wrote a headline in The New York Times that the other reporters ever dreamed that I might coming I in our they look at me as coming in fifth or six because they very seldom we've got out of them on. They would stay there you know and enjoy themselves and talk to each other but he actually went out and and and got opinions from people around the state and he's any projected. I was GONNA win. Which I did was just amazed a lot of people and focused attention on me which is very beneficial? That was Jimmy Carter appearing on C. Span recently about the legendary New York Times reporter Johnny Apple Apple and others on the campaign trail were known as the boys on the bus. Jimmy Carter's Iowa's strategy was coming into focus. It was working and national reporters looked Judy Woodruff Adrift for insights on the underdogs approach to winning elections one voter and time. Those are the glory days of the boys in the bus. That's when you had the big names this Johnny Apple and Broder was just starting really allow them today. Take them seriously because you'd be bumping into them on the bus and elsewhere N.. Jim wooten well of course he he did. He wrote a book about it. He covered him new new a little bit better and there were some national reporters who had spent time in Atlanta and there were folks like bill ship. You know local Georgia reporters Atlanta Constitution. Who who knew more about him but even even they didn't have an idea that he was? I mean none of us could know that how far he was intimately GonNa go but we knew there was the ambition And and the rest of it But yeah I mean I remember talking to Johnny Apple to David The beloved Johnny. The beloved David Broder Early on Because they were curious about him they looked at him and saw. There was something something different but they were trying to figure out what is the. What's the secret ingredient here? And they did talk to us those of us who had covered him for a few years. You know to try to. Did you tell them judy. I mean I learned a lot from those guys. But you're right. They were looking to me a whole lot of other local reporters who had covered in him for some clues walls guilt around Washington. And we feel like we can't quite get through to guarantee the people of this country or government the sensitive to our needs. We can understand and control this competent competent well managed efficient economical purposeful and also government which we can be proud. Jimmy Carter a leader her for a change ads like this one. We're new for presidential campaigns. They showed the candidate on the campaign trail. They captured everything the handshakes six conversations the speeches Gerry Rafferty and his film crew pioneered the approach and turned their footage into into campaign ads for Iowa television. The Myth was you. Don't do television in Iowa. It's all on the ground beating eating working around the state but we had a guy riding around the state but it just happens that he was bit we brought her own television crew with them and shooting film elm of him meeting people. Shaking as my name is Jimmy Carter and burning for president so it looked like if we could win Iowa we could. It would help us when New Hampshire. I'm sure why was it important. It Carter was known for shaking hands with lots of people. Thousands and thousands of people shake hands with staying overnight in their houses sleeping on their couches. That's right. Why was it important to do that on film? And what was the connection between him retailing as we say in politics and then you wholesaling it on television basically basically the same thing Carter shaken hands because it was bringing the message to all the people that he didn't shake hands. As with this is multiplying. It was multiplying and balanced budgets. I believe in screening limiting programs that are long past for that a useful. He was perfect on television but also we had spots of him talking about the issues. People were saying he wasn't talking about the issues so I did five minutes spots as I said I said if anybody spends five minutes with Jimmy. They're gonNA vote for her choice to be made between government private industry. If it's an equal choice I go to private industry. This is a kind of concept that is generally considered the conservative. But at the same time I believe and human being an equal opportunity and freedom and equality of opportunity. And I'll fight for if you agree. Read that government should be sent. You agree with Jimmy Carter on this issue. Vote for him. This comes you laughing. Because because gene McCarthy arthy Senator McCain who ran for president to what he said the way to become an issues candidate is the used. The word issues over. No I I did so. I'm running on the issues. I'm an issues candidate. His low as you say the word issues. The people think you're in issues candidate right. So Initiative Initiative candidate meeting people. Thank you very much. I also isn't Atlantic. You'll remember Jimmy Carter crisscrossed. This crossed Iowa. He was running against a big field. Before this year's campaign nineteen seventy six was the largest democratic field modern history. Carter's playbook dictated the importance of winning in Iowa. He did so by breaking away from that democratic pack the candidates were really not after delegates. It's here in Iowa what the candidates were after was a boost some momentum to carry them into the primary battles ahead and a big boost is exactly what Jimmy Carter got. What year did you get to cover him on the ground And I would watch them doing that. Door to door hyphen. Some of it. I saw some of it in in the fall of seventy five When we spent a few days traveling the state with him driving around watching him interviewing people whose wear who had let him stay in their homes overnight who were completely smitten with Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter? It was like they were longtime friends. It was like the Jimmy Carter Magic. He just managed is to win people over. He worked it door to door person to person coffee group by Coffee Group. They knew who the key the Democrats were that they had to win over on the to their side and they D- they work. Those people really yard and those folks were already very loyal by the time I got there and what October of seventy those folks were already very loyal to him and talked about him like he was you know they. They knew he was. He's going to win political science question. Okay how did he distinguish himself from the Liberal Paki ran against without basically describing himself as not oughta liberal not a progressive. I think he was just very clever in the way he talked about it. I mean I'm sure there was some formula behind it. It was just conservative. -servative enough on some things and liberal enough on others that it worked and then there was the overlay of the personality. You know in the big toothy grin the hair kind of falling in his eye and You know the whole the whole story and the fact you know that he and Rosalyn didn't they didn't put on airs. I mean they were themselves elves and they and they never hid the fact that they were from plains Georgia small town. They weren't poor and they you know they didn't hide that they made the most that these were all the ingredients. Jimmy Carter Iowa playbook. I'm honest honest. I'm a former businessman and an engineer and a navy veteran. I'm not from Washington. I'm a little bit liberal and a a little bit conservative and it's nice to meet you. Carter took that message. Oliver Iowa voters bought it. Reporters took note on January nineteenth. Nineteen seventy six. The date for Iowa's caucuses. The Jimmy Carter playbook was put to the test Gerry. Rafferty and and others on the counter campaign. Were already pivoting to New Hampshire and beyond. Did you think you were going to win in Iowa. Yes and when you thought you were going to win. What did you plan well? Every all the candidates were going to Iowa for election for the night of that and we thought we were going to win so anyway so we decided that he would be in New York in the hotel watching it because I was before all the networks quirks picture of the today show and the other shows would going to Iowa. They didn't do that and so the results came in. We were undecided was first but of all the real people. Jimmy Carter was very much the winner and so the next morning. He was on the today show. And then you're headed to New Hampshire to New Hampshire. Here are the first political returns for the year. Nineteen seventy-six six yesterday about fifty thousand Democrats in Iowa met in caucuses in homes churches and fire houses to choose delegates for their state party convention. Most of them. We're still uncommitted thirty-seven percent but former Georgia governor. Jimmy Carter did extremely well with twenty seven percent of the delegate preferences. More than twice as many the Indiana Senator Birch by three times as many as Fred Harris the former Oklahoma Senator Carter was a new Hampshire today grinning from ear to ear. His victory yesterday was a great symbolic importance. There were those today who were using the word front runner to describe Carter. My name Jimmy Carter. And I'm running for president. Jimmy Carter went on to win the Democratic nomination. His Iowa playbook had wirt part. I asked about what it all means for candidates. Today I mean for me the big lesson is somebody can come out of nowhere or what appears to be nowhere air and win that Just because we don't know whoever it is in Washington and they don't they aren't connected to everybody we know. On Capitol Hill the press. They can still rock it. Make it to the top. Except for a couple of cases where Gephardt one out there and the local guy won there in ninety ninety. Two the winner wins it's an astounding meaning winning in Iowa. What do you think about that? I it's the first stop. It just seems to give a tremendous gust of wind behind whoever wins and every election people say. Oh It's not gonNA happen again you know surely a place like this can't be the bellwether all-weather for an election and it hasn't been for both parties. I mean we know the Republicans haven't haven't seen the you know their winters in Iowa haven't always gone on to win the nomination but it Chris. I think it's I think. Democrats really do want to fall in love with their nominee with their the the person they're going to vote for for President Iowa gives you a place to fall in love. You're going door to door people wanna meet you an in. Somebody's living room or kitchen around coffee the table at a coffee shop They WanNA shake your hand. They WanNa look you in the eye. You know it's got to be somebody who who believes believes what you believe but it also has to be somebody. You're personally comfortable with and Jimmy Carter managed to win there again in nineteen eighty against Ted Kennedy a total upset again and a friend of mine out there. Assessor WHO's working for Carter said well the last person leaving des Moines. Please turn out the lights his name. Let me ask you the last question. Can you skip Iowa and win the dominates the Democratic Party. I wish I were smart enough to tell you the answer Chris I th. I think it's very tough but I don't. I don't rule anything out. I think we are in a different moment right now. With with President Trump. He's somebody is you know you know very well who generates incredible loyalty and incredible distrust and dislike and worse it is. It is hard to imagine how somebody who hasn't laid the groundwork who hasn't been asked this day after day after day and put in the you know the the hard hard labor in Iowa and New Hampshire and the other states is GonNa make it but if these candidates don't look strong coming out of these early contests. I could see the possibility that the voters take a look and say okay. What does this guy have to offer? So it's a maybe I'm judy woodruff front row seat Jimmy. Carter's win in Iowa today. She's anchor and managing editor the PBS news out Gerry. Rafferty ran advertising for Jimmy Carter in Iowa and went on to direct communications in the Carter White House. So you WANNA be president. Here's a preview of less than two year after year. Voters want to see if candidates. This can show some spontaneity something beyond the talking points the delights Iran in. Somebody's home you know one of the parts of politics that we forget about. 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You get America's attention you stand out for voters inside a national spotlight as the election counter races onto New Hampshire and beyond John. Kennedy's haven't always thought winning. I was worth it. The first is so its value. Was Jimmy mccarter. He put the Iowa caucuses on the map on asking me the next night. I'm running for president. Did that thank the much in nineteen seventy five in one thousand nine hundred seventy six. Jimmy Carter went all in in Iowa. He needed to outside the south. Georgia governor was unknown to most people and he's up against a crowded more established field to win an Iowa. Jimmy Carter champion. Something called retail politics. He took his underdog Oh campaign to the people giving me. I won't Sheila Hi. I'm giving a funny shooting film of Him. Meeting people people shaking hands by name. Is Jimmy Carter burning for president Jerry. RAPP Shin was part of Jimmy Carter's campaigns in the early days. I for Georgia governor then for the White White House Jerry. Random film shoots created all the campaign ads and was part of the team who dreamed up winning Iowa Strategy. It look life if we get all the national attention who would all be director. Ken This guy. Do it again in New Hampshire. It was very clear that they were working the state and had it all mapped out. Judy Woodruff also watched him Carter in his early days as a politician. Did you know her. Today is anchoring Managing Editor for the PBS Newshour in the Early Nineteen Seventy S. She was a rookie journalist working in Atlanta I had just just gone to work for NBC. And I started telling my my bosses at NBC. You gotta pay attention to this Governor Carter and they looked at me like I had a hole in my head the freedom prejudice. Because you are. I am apart prejudice. I'm GonNa Michio Jimmy Carter. Was You know obviously thing not a creature of Washington not somebody who they thought you know. They thought thick southern accent. Who who does he think he is and I kept saying to them? You know you really need to pay attention to this guy. He's going somewhere judy. Woodruff was right. Jimmy Carter playbook look we go on to become less than one for campaigns win Iowa with retail politics. Climb inside the national spotlight and hanging there all the wait the nomination roots of Jimmy. Carter's playbook and I would took shape long before his presidential run John. Carter was then a first time candidate for Georgia governor. He was up against some big time politicians. He needed. Help Jerry we wrap. Shane was young advertising executive in Atlanta. A friend offered him a job on the Carter campaign fellow by name. Hal Gulliver who was editor. It became editor around the constitution. Said Jerry You ought to do Jimmy. Carter's campaign you ought to do the advertising. He's a friend of mine. Nine and I said how I can't do that. I just start the advertising agency but then I was driving my car down down peach tree on a Saturday and I heard a commercial come on the air and it was country and western singer singing. enghien Jimmy Carter is name. Jimmy Carter is name. Jimmy Carter is the number one for governor. I almost went off the road. I went to a filling station and I called Gulliver and I said he your friend Carter needs help. He's told you why don't you just tell them to take the damn jingle off. I'm not going to. That's free advice. So the following Monday night I was babysitting. My wife was out and Gulliver calls me up and says Carta just fired Ziad Guy. And he's got sixty thousand dollars. There's to spend the pronoun the camp of silly election which is two months away and wants to know how you're going to spend that so I go up and the a headquarters was a suite at the plaza. Hotel were all politicos. Hung out the door opens and in walks. This Guy Jimmy mccarter and he's with three people and so they said well. What have you got? I said well you need to do away with all your billboards boards and you've got sixty thousand dollars that's put it all on television and will follow you around the state and so what's the message and I said there's a demand coming to your town. His name is Jimmy Carter. He's running for governor. They say he can't win. It's not up to them to decide who can win you decide decide. Who can win? Go see him talk to him. Find out what he has to say better yet. You tell them what you have to say. Silence in the room and the political science professor said this is a disaster. You'd never say you can't win and I said He's not number number one he's fourth. It's not the truth. That doesn't matter. I said well. Jimmy Jimmy's reaction all this chess. He's sitting there watching being made and he turned to them and said. Let me talk to this guy alone I said. And he said of. Don't argue with these folks folks. These are good folks and I need them. Now let's two year campaign. Oh and I fell in love because he believed in you. Yeah we follow around the state. We we shot footage in became a Carter trademark. He went to the factory gates. They went all over and then he called me a few months later and said we're GonNa do it again with me and of course I was the only job I could get in in. Journalism was the secretary secretary in the newsroom of the ABC affiliate in Atlanta. And they hired me right out right out of Duke I answered the phone cleaned. The film's emptied the trash and ultimately persuaded them that I really wanted report. Couldn't get a job there but was hired with a CBS station in Atlanta to cover over politics. The first assignment I had was covering the Henry. County fight over highways In Georgia but it wasn't not long after that that Jimmy Carter and others announce they this was nineteen seventy and Jimmy Carter and others announced. They were running for governor and and he had his journey. That wasn't the only assignment I had. I covered a lot. I was general assignment but that was where I first met Jimmy Carter. I watched him mount on the trail met Rosalyn. And you know really was captivated by the Carter Mystique. If you want to call it that did you get his sense for instance. He could go national that he was that kind of big time. Big League politician not then but but after he was elected shoe or by the end of that year and I I saw him in office and I saw how effective he was. I'm I know the point came watching him a deal with the Georgia legislature. And frankly he didn't have a lot of respect for most of them He worked with them but he essentially liked to tell them what to do and what he thought. But that's that was Jimmy. Carter people watched when he was governor. Jimmy Carter had bigger plans so did his closest advisers Hamilton Hamilton Jordan. Who ran the Carter Campaign Jerry raft soon and others took the lessons learned from the Georgia racist and put their heads together about the governor's chances in in a presidential run Iowa would be crucial to their national strategy? We told the governor. We wanted to come see him about his future car and he said Okay So. We got to the governor's mansion and we laid out. Why he had the advantage? The South had never had had a president for one hundred Twenty Years Union count. Johnson is at West right but also he did not get elected the first time. You're not a racist. You can be George Wallace in the South who went through the list of all things being a governor Watergate Watergate was going on and he says well. What do you guys want to do? And we said we'll come back and bring you a plan and running it all states. This is right after the Nixon sweep about govern one forty nine states. Yeah and he said okay. I'm GONNA do it. And the plan was beat Kennedy in the North in New Hampshire and be Wallace in Florida. As of this time here in the state that I love surrounded by friends of mine from all over the nation I liked announce that I am a candidate for president when he enhanced as for president. Did that surprise you. At the time he announced I knew he was. I knew for a little for a little bit of time that he was going to run. You had he would have have national politicians come to visit him. I remember Hubert Humphrey I just. I just remember a parade of Democrats coming through Atlanta. He was on the move. He was trying to be a player in National Democratic Party politics so we knew he had great ambition and the people around him. The young young guys is around him. Did what did you make. The remember headline of the Atlanta Journal Constitution said Jimmy. Who is running for what it's because the people people he didn't have everybody's respect? I mean a lot of first of all locally. A lot of people thought it was crazy for Georgian to run for president. I mean mean that. It just didn't compute here was a guy who had been a peanut farmer a yes sure he had had a progressive term in office But but where were the ingredients that we're going to propel him to the White House and it just it just didn't add up for president. Nineteen seventy four. It was a major headline them. Throw a gun jimmy running a what. Aw Class announced for president more than a year before Iowa. Judy Woodruff knew what he was up up against. She'd seen him run aground campaign for governor as the underdog outsider at the time she s the candidate about his approach for the seventy six campaign pain. There are still many people from outside the south. Apparently who are a little reluctant to accept the idea of US president from the south. How do you deal with that? I don't believe the sectional prejudice still exists out camping all the country. I probably travel more. Talk more and listen to more people and questions than any other human. Being this year I started my own campaign. I didn't have any political organization. Not much money nobody. Nobody knew who I was. We begin to go from one living room to another one labor hall to another up and down the streets back to shift lines barbershops Josh Good Polish restaurant shaking hand talking to people and Leslie when you saw his campaign style you talked about your first impression. He was very much. We call retailer or maybe one. The one I contact spend some time with a person. Bill Clinton was like that a lot of. We've met people that you think that would translate when you had to go national. I would love to tell you Chris that I knew that I had knew that he had some magic. What I knew was that? He was deeply ambitious organized. The people around him and that they had some kind of plan they weren't sharing it early on and you had to take them seriously. They were looking at the country they were looking at moving moving out and and figuring out a way to get it done. I didn't know that had no way of knowing we never gonNA win. But I knew that you couldn't just write these folks off. There's a new kind of credit card created by Apple. It's called Apple Card and it lives in your wallet APP and in Your Wallet. You can buy things with apple pay or a laser etched titanium card. It's a whole new level for privacy and security and it gives you daily cash back with every purchase. Oh and you can apply in minutes. Just open the wallet APP on your iphone and tap the plus button to get started to learn more checkout apple dot com slash. Get Apple Card available for qualifying applicants in the United States issued by Goldman Sachs Bank. USA Salt Lake City branch. It was not until Johnny Apple New York Times when out out in the countryside and our and talk to people you know teachers and policemen and bartenders and others and he sized up what we already knew about our and wrote a headline in The New York Times. Did the other reporters ever dreamed that I might come in I in our they were looking at me as coming in fifth six Because they very seldom out of Des Moines they would stay there you know and enjoy themselves and talk to each other but he actually went out out and and And Got Opinion People under state and he and he projected that. I was going to win which I did was just amazed a lot of people and focused attention on me which is very very beneficial. That was Jimmy Carter appearing on C. Span recently about the legendary New York Times reporter Johnny Apple Apple and others on the campaign trail were known says the boys on the bus Jimmy Carter's Iowa's strategy was coming into focus was working. A national reporters looked judy woodruff for insights on on the underdogs approach to winning elections one voter and time. Those were the glory days of the boys and the bus. That's when you had the big names Johnny Apple and Broda Research. I just starting really allow them today. Take them seriously because you'd be bumping into them on the bus now swear end. Jim wooten horse and he did cover. He wrote a book about he had covered him new at new a little bit better and there were some national reporters who had spent time in Atlanta and there were folks like bill ship. You know local Georgia reporters Atlanta the constitution. Who who knew more about him but even even they didn't have an idea that he was? I mean none of us could know that how far he was ultimately going to go. But we knew there was the ambition And and the rest of it But yeah I mean I remember talking to Johnnie Apple to David the beloved Johnny. The beloved David Broder Early on Because they were curious about him they looked at him and saw. There was something different but they were trying to figure out what is the. What's the secret ingredient here? And they did talk to us those of us who have covered him for a few years. You know to try to tell Judy I mean I learned a lot from those guys. But you're right. They were looking to me in a whole lot of other local reporters who had covered him for some clues whose walls built around Washington. And we feel like we can't quite get through to guarantee the people of this country government the sensitive to our needs. We can understand control. This competent well managed officiant economical and also a government office. We can be proud. Jimmy Carter a leader for a change ads like this. When we're new for presidential campaigns? They showed the candidate on the campaign trail. They captured everything the handshakes the conversations the speeches Jerry raft and his film crew pioneered the approach and turned their footage into campaign ads for Iowa television. The Myth was you. Don't do television in Iowa. It's all on the ground beating. Weren't around the state where we had a guy running around the state but it just happens that he was we brought her own television crew with them and shooting film of him meeting people shaking. As by name. Is Jimmy. Carter burning for president so it looked like if we could win Iowa we could. It would help us when New Hampshire. So why was it important. The Carter was known for shaking hands with a lots of people. Thousands of thousand people shaking hands with staying overnight in their houses sleeping on their couches. And that's right. Why was it important to do that on film? And what was the connection between him retailing as we say in politics and then you wholesaling it on television basically the same thing. Carter shaken hands because it was bringing the message to all the people that he didn't shake hands with uh-huh multiplying it was multiplying. I believe in balanced budgets. I believe in screening out all eliminating programs that are long past serve that useful. He was the perfect on television but also we had spots of him talking about the issues. People were saying wasn't talking about the issues so I did five minutes spots as I said I I said if anybody can spend five minutes with Jimmy they're gonNA vote for choice to be made between government private industry if it's an equal choice. I go with a private. This is a kind of concept that is generally considered the conservative. But at the same time I believe believe in human being an equal opportunity and freedom and equality of opportunity. And I'll fight for if you agree. That government should be sent view. Agree with Jimmy Carter on this issue. Vote for him. You know where this comes flying you laughing. Because because gene McCarthy Senator McCall who ran for president he said the way to become an issues candidate is the use the word issues over. No he said and say I'm running on the issues. I'm issues candidate. His lawyer as you say the word issues issues candidate right so issues candidate going around grab meeting people I also Atlantic area. You'll remember Jimmy Carter. Chris crushed Iowa. He was running thing against a big field. Before this year's campaign nineteen seventy six was the largest democratic field modern history. Carter's playbook dictated the importance of winning in Iowa. He did so by breaking away from the Democratic Pack. The candidates were really not after delegates here in Iowa what the candidates were after was a boost some momentum to carry them into the primary battles ahead and a big boost is exactly what Jimmy Carter got here did you get to cover him on the ground. I would watch them doing that door to door some of it. I saw some of it in in the fall of seventy five When we spent a few today's traveling the state with him driving around watching him interviewing people whose who had let him stay in their homes overnight who were completely completely smitten with Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter? It was like they were longtime friends. It was like the Jimmy Carter Magic. He just managed to win people Over he worked it door to door person to person coffee group by Coffee Group. They knew who the key Democrats were that they had to win over on their to their side and they had they work. Those people really are and those folks were already very loyal oil by the time I got there and what October seven those folks were already very loyal to him and talked about him like he was you know they. They knew he was GONNA win political. Oh science question okay. How did he distinguish himself from the liberal? Paki run against without Basically describing himself as not a liberal progressive. I think he was just very clever in the way he talked about it. I mean I'm sure there was some formula behind it. It was just conservative enough on some and things and liberal enough on others that it worked and then there was the overlay of the personality. You know in the big toothy grin and the hair falling in his eye and The whole the whole story and the fact you know that he and Rosalyn didn't they didn't put on airs. I mean they were themselves and they and they they never hid the fact that they were from plains Georgia small town. They weren't war and they they didn't hide that they made the most of that These were all the ingredients of the Jimmy. Carter Iowa playbook I'm honest I'm a former former businessman. An engineer and a navy veteran. I'm not from Washington a little bit liberal and a little bit conservative. It's nice to meet you. Carter took that message. Oliver Iowa voters reporters took note on January nineteenth in one thousand nine hundred. Seventy six the date. For Iowa's caucuses the Jimmy Carter. Playbook was put to the test Jerry Ramzan and others on the counter campaign. Dan Pain. We're already pivoting to New Hampshire and beyond. Did you think you were going to win Iowa. Yes and when you thought you'RE GONNA win. And what did you plan well. Every all the candidates were going to Iowa for election for the night of that and we thought we were going to win anyway so nope we decided that he would be in New York and the hotel watching it because I was before all the networks for the today show and the other shows would going to Iowa. They didn't do that and so the results came in. We were undecided was first but of all the real people. Jimmy Carter was very much the winner and so the next morning. He was on the today show. And then you head it New Hampshire. And it's a New Hampshire. Here are the first political returns for the year Nineteen seventy-six yesterday about fifty thousand Democrats in Iowa caucuses in homes churches and fire houses to choose delegates for their state party convention. Most of them are still uncommitted. Thirty seven percent but former Georgia governor. Jimmy Carter did extremely well with twenty seven percent of the delegate preferences. More than twice as many as Indiana Senator Birch Verge Bhai and three times as many as Fred Harris. The former Oklahoma Senator Carter was in New Hampshire today grinning from ear to ear. His victory yesterday was was of great symbolic importance. There were those today. who were using the words front runner to describe Carter? My name is Jimmy Carter and I'm running. The president. Jimmy Carter went on the win. The Democratic nomination is Iowa playbook had worked. I asked duty woodruff about what it all means candidates today I mean for me the big lesson somebody can come out of nowhere or what appears to be nowhere and win that Just because we don't know whoever it is in Washington and they don't they aren't connected to everybody we know on Capitol Hill and in the press. They they can still rocket make it to the top except for a couple of cases were Gephardt one out there. In the local guy won there. In Ninety two the winner wins it's an astounding meaning winning in Iowa. What do you think it is about that I? It's the first stop. It just seems to give of a tremendous gust of wind behind over wins and every election. People say oh. It's not going to happen again. You know surely a place like this can't be the bellwether for an election election and it hasn't been for both parties. I mean we know. The Republicans haven't haven't seen the you know their winters in Iowa haven't always gone on to win the nomination nomination but it Chris. I think it's I think. Democrats really do want to fall in love with their nominee with their the person they're gonNA vote for for president in Iowa gives you a place to fall in love. You're going door to door. People want to meet you in A in. Somebody's living room or kitchen or around a coffee table able at coffee shop They WanNA shake your hand. They WanNa look you in the eye. You know it's got to be somebody who who believes what you believe okay but it also has to be somebody. You're personally comfortable with and Jimmy Carter managed to win there again in nineteen eighty against Ted Kennedy a total upset again and a friend. The mine out there at gesture WHO's working for Carter said well the last person leaving des Moines. Please turn out the lights here. He's still around. Let me ask you the last question. Can you skip Iowa and win dominate Democratic Party. I wish I was smart enough to tell you the answer Chris. I I think think it's very tough but I don't. I don't rule anything out. I think we are in a different moment right now. With with President Trump. He's somebody is you know very well l.. Who generates incredible loyalty and incredible distrust and dislike and worse? It is hard hard to imagine how somebody who hasn't laid the groundwork who hasn't been at this day after day after day and put in the. You know the the hard labor in Iowa in New Hampshire and the other states is going to make it but if these candidates don't look strong coming out of these early contests. I could see the possibility that the voters take a look and say okay. What does this guy have to offer? So it's a maybe judy woodruff. WHO had a front front row seat to Jimmy? Carter's win in Iowa today. She's anchor and managing editor the PBS news L.. Jerry raft soon ran advertising for Jimmy. Jimmy Carter in Iowa and went on direct communications in the Carter White House so you want to be president. Here's a preview of less than two year after year. Voters want to see if candidates can show some spontaneity. Eddie something beyond the talking points the lights are on and somebody's home. You know one of the parts of politics that we forget about is you have to show that you are on an even Keel your well-balanced you get the joke you're good natured. We may give you the the nuclear codes someday if you win. We'll explain next time. I'm Chris Matthews Hardball on MSNBC. Thanks so much much for listening.

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BONUS: So You Wanna Be President? with Chris Matthews

"Hi everybody it's Chris Matthews host of the new. MSNBC PODCAST say you want to be president. It's about the lessons learned from campaigns. That got their across six episodes. I talked talk to campaign veterans about six timeless themes that separate the winners from the losers. You can stay right here and listen to the first episode and to get the entire series search search for president wherever you're listening right now and subscribe friends delegates and fellow Americans. I accept your nomination. So you WANNA be president. I'm Chris Matty some hardball on MSNBC. I've watched so many people run for their party party nomination but only a few who had to get it Madam Chairwoman and let's I have a privilege given few Americans for all those who believe that our best days are ahead of us. I proudly only accept your nomination. WanNa be president. This show is about what you have to do to get your nomination. These are the lessons learned from campaigns. That win six episodes six timeless things that separate winners from losers I'll be joined by campaign veteran some have had front row seats to the most important moments. In presidential campaign. History will break down. What work for some candidates candidates and what didn't for others see you want to be president? These lessons can help stick around every night. Local police departments across America received hundreds of calls from burglar alarms the vast majority of the time they have no idea whether the alarm Israel all the alarm mhm company can tell them is. The motion sensor went off simplisafe home security is different. And it's why I love it if there's a break in simply safe uses real video evidence to give police. He's an eyewitness account of the crime that means police dispatch up to three hundred fifty percent faster than for a normal burglar alarm. You get comprehensive protection for your entire home. MM outdoor cameras and doorbells alerted anyone approaching your home. Entry motion and glass break sensors guard inside plus simply safe protect your home from fires water damage and carbon monoxide poisoning. You set up your system yourself. No tools needed or simply safe can do it for you. And it's only fifty cents a day with no contracts visit simplisafe simplisafe dot com slash. So you WANNA you'll get free shipping and a sixty day risk-free trial. You've got nothing to lose. Go now and be sure to go to SIMPLISAFE DOT COM Slash so you WANNA so they know our show sent you that simplisafe dot com slash. So you WANNA so you WANNA be president. I'm Chris Matthews from hardball on. MSNBC lesson one win Iowa it's the most astounding thing win Iowa and it's nearly a lock you'll get your party's nomination for the Democrats nine eleven nominees one Iowa on the Republican side. More than half. The Iowa caucuses are America's first battleground ground winning their means. You get America's attention you stand out for voters inside a national spotlight as the election counter races onto New Hampshire and beyond John. Kennedy's haven't always thought winning. I was worth it. The first is so its value. Was Jimmy mccarter. He put the Iowa caucuses on the map on asking me the next night. I'm running for president. Did that thank the much in nineteen seventy five in one thousand nine hundred seventy six. Jimmy Carter went all in in Iowa. He needed to outside the south. Georgia governor was unknown to most people and he's up against a crowded more established field to win an Iowa. Jimmy Carter champion. Something called retail politics. He took his underdog Oh campaign to the people giving me. I won't Sheila Hi. I'm giving a funny shooting film of Him. Meeting people people shaking hands by name. Is Jimmy Carter burning for president Jerry. RAPP Shin was part of Jimmy Carter's campaigns in the early days. I for Georgia governor then for the White White House Jerry. Random film shoots created all the campaign ads and was part of the team who dreamed up winning Iowa Strategy. It look life if we get all the national attention who would all director Ken. This guy do it again in New Hampshire. It was very clear that they were working the state and had it all mapped out. Judy Woodruff also watched him Carter in his early days as a politician. Did you know her. Today is anchoring Managing Editor for the PBS Newshour in the Early Nineteen Seventy S. She was a rookie journalist working in Atlanta I had just just gone to work for NBC. And I started telling my my bosses at NBC. You gotta pay attention to this Governor Carter and they looked at me like I had a hole in my head the freedom prejudice. Because you are. I am apart prejudice. I'm GonNa Michio Jimmy Carter. Was You know obviously thing not a creature of Washington not somebody who they thought you know. They thought thick southern accent. Who who does he think he is and I kept saying to them? You know you really need to pay attention to this guy. He's going somewhere judy. Woodruff was right. Jimmy Carter playbook look we go on to become less than one for campaigns win Iowa with retail politics. Climb inside the national spotlight and hanging there all the wait the nomination roots of Jimmy. Carter's playbook and I would took shape long before his presidential run John. Carter was then a first time candidate for Georgia governor. He was up against some big time politicians. He needed. Help Jerry we wrap. Shane was young advertising executive in Atlanta. A friend offered him a job on the Carter campaign fellow by name. Hal Gulliver who was editor. It became editor around the constitution. Said Jerry You ought to do Jimmy. Carter's campaign you ought to do the advertising. He's a friend of mine. Nine and I said how I can't do that. I just started the advertising agency but then I was driving my car down down peach tree on a Saturday and I heard a commercial come on the air and it was country and western singer singing. enghien Jimmy Carter is name. Jimmy Carter is name. Jimmy Carter is the number one for governor. I almost went off the road. I went to a filling station and I call over and I said your friend Carter needs help. He's told you why don't you just tell them to take the damn jingle off. I'm not going to. That's free advice so the following Monday night I was babysitting. My wife was out and Gulliver calls me up and says Carta just fired Ziad Guy. And he's got sixty thousand dollars. There's to spend the pronoun the camp of silly election which is two months away and wants to know how you're going to spend that so I go up and the a headquarters was a suite at the plaza. Hotel were all politicos. Hung out the door opens and in walks. This Guy Jimmy mccarter and he's with three people and so they said well. What have you got? I said well you need to do away with all your billboards boards and you've got sixty thousand dollars that's put it all on television and will follow you around the state and so what's the message and I said there's a demand coming to your town. His name is Jimmy Carter. He's running for governor. They say he can't win. It's not up to them to decide who can win you decide decide. Who can win? Go see him talk to him. Find out what he has to say better yet. You tell them what you have to say. Silence in the room and the political science professor said this is a disaster. You'd never say you can't win and I said He's not number number one he's fourth. It's not the truth. That doesn't matter. I said well. Jimmy Jimmy's reaction all this chess. He's sitting there watching being made and he turned to them and said. Let me talk to this guy alone I said. And he said of. Don't argue with these folks folks. These are good folks and I need them. Now let's two year campaign. Oh and I fell in love because he believed in you. Yeah we follow around the state we we shot footage in became a card trademark. He went to the factory gates. They went all over and then he called me a few months later and said we're GonNa do it again with me and of course I was the only job I could get in in. Journalism was the secretary secretary in the newsroom of the ABC affiliate in Atlanta. And they hired me right out right out of Duke I answered the phone cleaned. The film's emptied the trash and ultimately persuaded them that I really wanted report. Couldn't get a job there but was hired with a CBS station in Atlanta to cover over politics. The first assignment I had was covering the Henry. County fight over highways In Georgia but it wasn't not long after that that Jimmy Carter and others announce they this was nineteen seventy and Jimmy Carter and others announced. They were running for governor and and he had his journey. That wasn't the only assignment I had. I covered a lot general assignment but that was where I first met Jimmy Carter. I watched him mount on the trail met Rosalyn. And you know really was captivated by the Carter Mystique. If you want to call it that did you get his sense for instance. He could go national that he was that kind of big time. Big League politician not then but but after he was elected shoe or by the end of that year and I I saw him in office and I saw how effective it was. I'm I know the point came watching him a deal with the Georgia legislature. And frankly he didn't have a lot of respect for most of them He worked with them but he essentially liked to tell them what to do and what he thought. But that's that was Jimmy. Carter people watched when he was governor. Jimmy Carter had bigger plans so did his closest advisers Hamilton Hamilton Jordan. Who ran the Carter Campaign Jerry raft soon and others took the lessons learned from the Georgia racist and put their heads together about the governor's chances in in a presidential run Iowa would be crucial to their national strategy? We told the governor. We wanted to come see him about his future car and he said Okay So. We got to the governor's mansion and we laid out. Why he had the advantage? The South had never had had a president for one hundred Twenty Years Union count. Johnson is at West right but also he did not get elected the first time. You're not a racist. You can be George Wallace in the South who went through the list of all things being a governor Watergate Watergate was going on and he says well what do you guys want to do. And then we said we'll come back and bring you a plan and running it all states. This is right after the Nixon sweep about govern one forty nine states. Yeah and he said okay. I'm GONNA do it. And the plan was beat Kennedy in the North in New Hampshire and be Wallace in Florida. As of this time here in the state that I love surrounded by friends of mine from all over the nation I like to announce that I am a candidate for president when he enhanced as for president. Did that surprise you. At the time he announced I knew he was. I knew for a little for a little bit of time that he was going to run you. He would have have national politicians come to visit him. I remember Hubert Humphrey I just. I just remember a parade of Democrats coming through Atlanta. He was on the move. He was trying to be a player in National Democratic Party politics so we knew he had great ambition and the people around him. The young young guys is around him. Did what did you make. The remember headline of the Atlanta Journal Constitution said Jimmy. Who is running for what it's because the people people he didn't have everybody's respect? I mean a lot of first of all locally. A lot of people thought it was crazy for Georgian to run for president. I mean mean that. It just didn't compute here was a guy who had been a peanut farmer a yes sure he had had a progressive term in office But but where were the ingredients that we're going to propel him to the White House and it just it just didn't add up for president. Nineteen seventy four. It was a major headline them. Throw a gun jimmy running a what. Aw Class announced for president more than a year before Iowa. Judy Woodruff knew what he was up up against. She'd seen him run aground campaign for governor as the underdog outsider at the time she s the candidate about his approach for the seventy six campaign pain. There are still many people from outside the south. Apparently who are a little reluctant to accept the idea of US president from the south. How do you deal with that? I don't believe the sectional prejudice still exists out camping all the country. I probably travel more. Talk more and listen to more people and questions than any other human. Being this year I started my own campaign. I didn't have any political organization. Not much money nobody. Nobody knew who I was. We begin to go from one living room to another one labor hall to another up and down the streets back to shift lines barbershops Josh Good Polish restaurant shaking hand talking to people and Leslie when you saw his campaign style you talked about your first impression. He was very much. We call retailer or maybe one. The one I contact spend some time with a person. Bill Clinton was like that a lot of. We've met people that you think that would translate when you had to go national. I would love to tell you Chris that I knew that I had knew that he had some magic. What I knew was that? He was deeply ambitious organized. The people around him and that they had some kind of plan they weren't sharing it early on and you had to take them seriously. They were looking at the country they were looking at moving moving out and and figuring out a way to get it done. I didn't know that had no way of knowing we never gonNA win. But I knew that you couldn't just write these folks off. There's a new kind of credit card created by Apple. It's called Apple Card and it lives in your wallet APP and in Your Wallet. You can buy things with apple pay or a laser etched titanium card. It's a whole new level for privacy and security and it gives you daily cash back with every purchase. Oh and you can apply in minutes. Just open the wallet APP on your iphone and tap the plus button to get started to learn more checkout apple dot com slash. Get Apple Card available for qualifying applicants in the United States issued by Goldman Sachs Bank. USA Salt Lake City branch. It was not until Johnny Apple New York Times when out out in the countryside and our and talk to people you know teachers and policemen and bartenders and others and he sized up what we already knew about our and wrote a headline in The New York Times. Did the other reporters ever dreamed that I might come in I in our they were looking at me as coming in fifth six Because they very seldom out of Des Moines they would stay there you know and enjoy themselves and talk to each other but he actually went out out and and And Got Opinion People under state and he and he projected that. I was going to win which I did was just amazed a lot of people and focused attention on me which is very very beneficial. That was Jimmy Carter appearing on C. Span recently about the legendary New York Times reporter Johnny Apple Apple and others on the campaign trail were known says the boys on the bus Jimmy Carter's Iowa's strategy was coming into focus was working. A national reporters looked judy woodruff for insights on on the underdogs approach to winning elections one voter and time. Those were the glory days of the boys and the bus. That's when you had the big names Johnny Apple and Bro Research. I just starting really allow them today. Take them seriously because you'd be bumping into them on the bus now swear end. Jim wooten horse and he did cover. He wrote a book about he had covered him new at new a little bit better and there were some national reporters who had spent time in Atlanta and there were folks like bill ship. You know local Georgia reporters Atlanta the constitution. Who who knew more about him but even even they didn't have an idea that he was? I mean none of us could know that how far he was ultimately going to go. But we knew there was the ambition And and the rest of it But yeah I mean I remember talking to Johnnie Apple to David the beloved Johnny. The beloved David Broder Early on Because they were curious about him they looked at him and saw. There was something different but they were trying to figure out what is the. What's the secret ingredient here? And they did talk to us those of us who have covered him for a few years. You know to try to tell Judy I mean I learned a lot from those guys. But you're right. They were looking to me in a whole lot of other local reporters who had covered him for some clues whose walls built around Washington. And we feel like we can't quite get through to guarantee the people of this country government the sensitive to our needs. We can understand control. This competent well managed officiant economical and also a government office. We can be proud. Jimmy Carter a leader for a change ads like this. When we're new for presidential campaigns? They showed the candidate on the campaign trail. They captured everything the handshakes the conversations the speeches Jerry raft and his film crew pioneered the approach and turned their footage into campaign ads for Iowa television. The Myth was you. Don't do television in Iowa. It's all on the ground beating. Weren't around the state where we had a guy running around the state but it just happens that he was we brought her own television crew with them and shooting film of him meeting people shaking. As by name. Is Jimmy. Carter burning for president so it looked like if we could win Iowa we could. It would help us when New Hampshire. So why was it important. The Carter was known for shaking hands with a lots of people. Thousands of thousand people shaking hands with staying overnight in their houses sleeping on their couches. And that's right. Why was it important to do that on film? And what was the connection between him retailing as we say in politics and then you wholesaling it on television basically the same thing. Carter shaken hands because it was bringing the message to all the people that he didn't shake hands with uh-huh multiplying it was multiplying. I believe in balanced budgets. I believe in screening out all eliminating programs that are long past serve that useful. He was the perfect on television but also we had spots of him talking about the issues. People were saying wasn't talking about the issues so I did five minutes spots as I said I I said if anybody can spend five minutes with Jimmy they're gonNA vote for choice to be made between government private industry if it's an equal choice voice. I go with a private. This is a kind of concept that is generally considered the conservative. But at the same time I believe believe in human being an equal opportunity and freedom and equality of opportunity. And I'll fight for if you agree. That government should be sent view. Agree with Jimmy Carter on this issue. Vote for him. You know where this comes flying you laughing. Because because gene McCarthy Senator McCall who ran for president he said the way to become an issues candidate is the use the word issues over. No he said and say I'm running on the issues. I'm issues candidate. His lawyer as you say the word issues issues candidate right so issues candidate going around grab meeting people I also Atlantic area. You'll remember Jimmy Carter. Chris crushed Iowa. He was running thing against a big field. Before this year's campaign nineteen seventy six was the largest democratic field modern history. Carter's playbook dictated the importance of winning in Iowa. He did so by breaking away from the Democratic Pack. The candidates were really not after delegates here in Iowa what the candidates were after was a boost some momentum to carry them into the primary battles ahead and a big boost is exactly what Jimmy Carter got here did you get to cover him on the ground. I would watch them doing that door to door some of it. I saw some of it in in the fall of seventy five When we spent a few today's traveling the state with him driving around watching him interviewing people whose who had let him stay in their homes overnight who were completely completely smitten with Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter? It was like they were longtime friends. It was like the Jimmy Carter Magic. He just managed to win people Over he worked it door to door person to person coffee group by Coffee Group. They knew who the key Democrats were that they had to win over on their to their side and they had they work. Those people really are and those folks were already very loyal oil by the time I got there and what October seven those folks were already very loyal to him and talked about him like he was you know they. They knew he was GONNA win political. Oh science question okay. How did he distinguish himself from the liberal? Paki run against without Basically describing himself as not a liberal progressive. I think he was just very clever in the way he talked about it. I mean I'm sure there was some formula behind it. It was just conservative enough on some and things and liberal enough on others that it worked and then there was the overlay of the personality. You know in the big toothy grin and the hair falling in his eye and The whole the whole story and the fact you know that he and Rosalyn didn't they didn't put on airs. I mean they were themselves and they and they a never hid the fact that they were from plains Georgia small town. They weren't war and they they didn't hide that they made the most of that These were all the ingredients of the Jimmy. Carter Iowa playbook I'm honest I'm a former former businessman. An engineer and a navy veteran. I'm not from Washington a little bit liberal and a little bit conservative. It's nice to meet you. Carter took that message. All of our our voters reporters took note on January nineteenth in one thousand nine hundred seventy six. The date for Iowa's caucuses. The Jimmy Carter. Playbook was put to the test Jerry Ramzan and others on the counter campaign campaign. We're already pivoting to New Hampshire and beyond. Did you think you were going to win Iowa. Yes and when you thought you'RE GONNA win. And what did you plan well. Every all the candidates were going to Iowa for election for the night of that and we thought we were going to win anyway so nope we decided that he would be in New York and the hotel watching it because I was before all the networks for the today show and the other shows would going to Iowa. They didn't do that and so the results came in. We were undecided was first but of all the real people. Jimmy Carter was very much the winner and so the next morning. He was on the today show. And then you head it New Hampshire. And it's a New Hampshire. Here are the first political returns for the year Nineteen seventy-six yesterday about fifty thousand Democrats in Iowa caucuses in homes churches and fire houses to choose delegates for their state party convention. Most of them are still uncommitted. Thirty seven percent but former Georgia governor. Jimmy Carter did extremely well with twenty seven percent of the delegate preferences. More than twice as many as Indiana Senator Birch Verge Bhai and three times as many as Fred Harris. The former Oklahoma Senator Carter was in New Hampshire today grinning from ear to ear. His victory yesterday was was of great symbolic importance. There were those today. who were using the words front runner to describe Carter? My name is Jimmy Carter and I'm running. The president. Jimmy Carter went on the win. The Democratic nomination is Iowa playbook had worked. I asked duty woodruff about what it all means candidates today I mean for me the big lesson somebody can come out of nowhere or what appears to be nowhere and win that Just because we don't know whoever it is in Washington and they don't they aren't connected to everybody we know on Capitol Hill and in the press. They they can still rocket make it to the top except for a couple of cases were Gephardt one out there. In the local guy won there. In Ninety two the winner wins it's an astounding meaning winning in Iowa. What do you think it is about that I? It's the first stop. It just seems to give of a tremendous gust of wind behind over wins and every election. People say oh. It's not going to happen again. You know surely a place like this can't be the bellwether for an election election and it hasn't been for both parties. I mean we know. The Republicans haven't haven't seen the you know their winters in Iowa haven't always gone on to win the nomination nomination but it Chris. I think it's I think. Democrats really do want to fall in love with their nominee with the person they're gonNA vote for for president in Iowa gives you a place to fall in love. You're going door to door. People want to meet you in A in. Somebody's living room or kitchen or around a coffee table able at coffee shop They WanNA shake your hand. They WanNa look you in the eye. You know it's got to be somebody who who believes what you believe okay but it also has to be somebody. You're personally comfortable with and Jimmy Carter managed to win there again in nineteen eighty against Ted Kennedy a total upset again and a friend. The mine out there at gesture WHO's working for Carter said well the last person leaving des Moines. Please turn out the lights here. He's still around. Let me ask you the last question. Can you skip Iowa and win dominate Democratic Party. I wish I was smart enough to tell you the answer Chris. I I think think it's very tough but I don't. I don't rule anything out. I think we are in a different moment right now. With with President Trump. He's somebody is you know very well l.. Who generates incredible loyalty and incredible distrust and dislike and worse? It is hard hard to imagine how somebody who hasn't laid the groundwork who hasn't been at this day after day after day and put in the. You know the the hard labor in Iowa in New Hampshire and the other states is going to make it but if these candidates don't look strong coming out of these early contests. I could see the possibility that the voters take a look and say okay. What does this guy have to offer? So it's a maybe judy woodruff. WHO had a front front row seat to Jimmy? Carter's win in Iowa today. She's anchor and managing editor the PBS news L.. Jerry raft soon ran advertising for Jimmy. Jimmy Carter in Iowa and went on direct communications in the Carter White House so you want to be president. Here's a preview of less than two year after year. Voters want to see if candidates can show some spontaneity. Eddie something beyond the talking points the lights are on and somebody's home. You know one of the parts of politics that we forget about is you have to show that you are on an even Keel your well-balanced you get the joke you're good natured. We may give you the the nuclear codes someday if you win. We'll explain next time. I'm Chris Matthews Hardball on MSNBC. Thanks so much much for listening. I you want to be president. I've watched many candidates for their party's nomination but only a few knew how to get it for this microphone phone. My podcast is about what it takes to get the nomination. Six episodes six timeless themes that separate the few winners from the many losers. The hope still lives the shell never die. So you WANNA be President with Chris. Matthews and M._S._N._B._C.. PODCAST search now. Wherever you're listening and subscribe I two episodes available now?

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INTRODUCING: So You Wanna Be President? with Chris Matthews

"Hi everybody it's Chris Matthews host of the new. MSNBC PODCAST say you want to be president. It's about the lessons learned from campaigns. That got their across six episodes. I talked talk to campaign veterans about six timeless themes that separate the winners from the losers. You can stay right here and listen to the first episode and to get the entire series search search for president wherever you're listening right now and subscribe friends delegates and fellow Americans. I accept your nomination. So you WANNA be president. I'm Chris Matty some hardball on MSNBC. I've watched so many people run for their party party nomination but only a few who had to get it Madam Chairwoman and let's I have a privilege given few Americans for all those who believe that our best days are ahead of us. I proudly only accept your nomination. WanNa be president. This show is about what you have to do to get your nomination. These are the lessons learned from campaigns. That win six episodes six timeless things that separate winners from losers I'll be joined by campaign veteran some have had front row seats to the most important moments. In presidential campaign. History will break down. What work for some candidates candidates and what didn't for others see you want to be president? These lessons can help stick around every night. Local police departments across America received hundreds of calls from burglar alarms the vast majority of the time they have no idea whether the alarm Israel all the alarm mhm company can tell them is. The motion sensor went off simplisafe home security is different. And it's why I love it if there's a break in simply safe uses real video evidence to give police. He's an eyewitness account of the crime that means police dispatch up to three hundred fifty percent faster than for a normal burglar alarm. You get comprehensive protection for your entire home mm out door cameras and doorbells alerted anyone approaching your home. Entry motion and glass break sensors guard inside plus simply safe protect your home from fires water damage and carbon monoxide poisoning. You can set up your system yourself. No tools needed or simply safe can do it for you. And it's only fifty cents a day with no contracts visit simplisafe simplisafe dot com slash. So you WANNA you'll get free shipping and a sixty day risk-free trial. You've got nothing to lose. Go now and be sure to go to SIMPLISAFE DOT COM Slash so you WANNA so they know our show sent you that simplisafe dot com slash. So you WANNA so you WANNA be president. I'm Chris Matthews from hardball on. MSNBC lesson one win Iowa it's the most astounding thing win Iowa and it's nearly a lock you'll get your party's nomination for the Democrats nine eleven nominees one Iowa on the Republican side. More than half. The Iowa caucuses are America's first battleground ground winning their means. You get America's attention you stand out for voters inside a national spotlight as the election counter races onto New Hampshire and beyond John. Kennedy's haven't always thought winning. I was worth it. The first is so its value. Was Jimmy mccarter. He put the Iowa caucuses on the map on asking me the next night. I'm running for president. Did that thank the much in nineteen seventy five in one thousand nine hundred seventy six. Jimmy Carter went all in in Iowa. He needed to outside the south. Georgia governor was unknown to most people and he's up against a crowded more established field to win an Iowa. Jimmy Carter champion. Something called retail politics. He took his underdog Oh campaign to the people giving me. I won't Sheila Hi. I'm giving a funny shooting film of Him. Meeting people people shaking hands by name. Is Jimmy Carter burning for president Jerry. RAPP Shin was part of Jimmy Carter's campaigns in the early days. I for Georgia governor then for the White White House Jerry. Random film shoots created all the campaign ads and was part of the team who dreamed up winning Iowa Strategy. It look life if we get all the national attention who would all be director. Ken This guy. Do it again in New Hampshire. It was very clear that they were working the state and had it all mapped out. Judy Woodruff also watched him Carter in his early days as a politician. Did you know her. Today is anchoring Managing Editor for the PBS Newshour in the Early Nineteen Seventy S. She was a rookie journalist working in Atlanta I had just just gone to work for NBC. And I started telling my my bosses at NBC. You gotta pay attention to this governor Carter and they looked at me like I had a hole in my head the freedom prejudice. Because you are. I am apart prejudice. I'm GonNa Michio Jimmy Carter. Was You know obviously thing not a creature of Washington not somebody who they thought you know. They thought thick southern accent. Who who does he think he is and I kept saying to them? You know you really need to pay attention to this guy. He's going somewhere judy. Woodruff was right. Jimmy Carter playbook look we go on to become less than one for campaigns win Iowa with retail politics. Climb inside the national spotlight and hanging there all the wait the nomination roots of Jimmy. Carter's playbook and I would took shape long before his presidential run John. Carter was then a first time candidate for Georgia governor. He was up against some big time politicians. He needed. Help Jerry we wrap. Shane was young advertising executive in Atlanta. A friend offered him a job on the Carter campaign fellow by name. Hal Gulliver who was editor. It became editor around the constitution. Said Jerry You ought to do Jimmy. Carter's campaign you ought to do the advertising. He's a friend of mine. Nine and I said how I can't do that. I just start the advertising agency but then I was driving my car down down peach tree on a Saturday and I heard a commercial come on the air and it was country and western singer singing. enghien Jimmy Carter is name. Jimmy Carter is name. Jimmy Carter is the number one for governor. I almost went off the road. I went to a filling station and I called Gulliver and I said he your friend Carter needs help. He's told you why don't you just tell them to take the damn jingle off. I'm not going to. That's free advice. So the following Monday night I was babysitting. My wife was out and Gulliver calls me up and says Carta just fired Ziad Guy. And he's got sixty thousand dollars. There's to spend the pronoun the camp of silly election which is two months away and wants to know how you're going to spend that so I go up and the a headquarters was a suite at the plaza. Hotel were all politicos. Hung out the door opens and in walks. This Guy Jimmy mccarter and he's with three people and so they said well. What have you got? I said well you need to do away with all your billboards boards and you've got sixty thousand dollars that's put it all on television and will follow you around the state and so what's the message and I said there's a demand coming to your town. His name is Jimmy Carter. He's running for governor. They say he can't win. It's not up to them to decide who can win you decide decide. Who can win? Go see him talk to him. Find out what he has to say better yet. You tell them what you have to say. Silence in the room and the political science professor said this is a disaster. You'd never say you can't win and I said He's not number number one he's fourth. It's not the truth. That doesn't matter. I said well. Jimmy Jimmy's reaction all this chess. He's sitting there watching being made and he turned to them and said. Let me talk to this guy alone I said. And he said of. Don't argue with these folks folks. These are good folks and I need them. Now let's two year campaign. Oh and I fell in love because he believed in you. Yeah we follow around the state. We we shot footage in became a Carter trademark. He went to the factory gates. They went all over and then he called me a few months later and said we're GonNa do it again with me and of course I was the only job I could get in in. Journalism was the secretary secretary in the newsroom of the ABC affiliate in Atlanta. And they hired me right out right out of Duke I answered the phone cleaned. The film's emptied the trash and ultimately persuaded them that I really wanted report. Couldn't get a job there but was hired with a CBS station in Atlanta to cover over politics. The first assignment I had was covering the Henry. County fight over highways In Georgia but it wasn't not long after that that Jimmy Carter and others announce they this was nineteen seventy and Jimmy Carter and others announced. They were running for governor and and he had his journey. That wasn't the only assignment I had. I covered a lot. I was general assignment but that was where I first met Jimmy Carter. I watched him mount on the trail met Rosalyn. And you know really was captivated by the Carter Mystique. If you want to call it that did you get his sense for instance. He could go national that he was that kind of big time. Big League politician not then but but after he was elected shoe or by the end of that year and I I saw him in office and I saw how effective he was. I'm I know the point came watching him a deal with the Georgia legislature. And frankly he didn't have a lot of respect for most of them He worked with them but he essentially liked to tell them what to do and what he thought. But that's that was Jimmy. Carter people watched when he was governor. Jimmy Carter had bigger plans so did his closest advisers Hamilton Hamilton Jordan. Who ran the Carter Campaign Jerry raft soon and others took the lessons learned from the Georgia racist and put their heads together about the governor's chances in in a presidential run Iowa would be crucial to their national strategy? We told the governor. We wanted to come see him about his future car and he said Okay So. We got to the governor's mansion and we laid out. Why he had the advantage? The South had never had had a president for one hundred Twenty Years Union count. Johnson is at West right but also he did not get elected the first time. You're not a racist. You can be George Wallace in the South who went through the list of all things being a governor Watergate Watergate was going on and he says well. What do you guys want to do? And we said we'll come back and bring you a plan and running it all states. This is right after the Nixon sweep about govern one forty nine states. Yeah and he said okay. I'm GONNA do it. And the plan was beat Kennedy in the North in New Hampshire and be Wallace in Florida. As of this time here in the state that I love surrounded by friends of mine from all over the nation I like to announce that I am a candidate for president when he enhanced as for president. Did that surprise you. At the time he announced I knew he was. I knew for a little for a little bit of time that he was going to run. You had he would have have national politicians come to visit him. I remember Hubert Humphrey I just. I just remember a parade of Democrats coming through Atlanta. He was on the move. He was trying to be a player in National Democratic Party politics so we knew he had great ambition and the people around him. The young young guys is around him. Did what did you make. The remember headline of the Atlanta Journal Constitution said Jimmy. Who is running for what it's because the people people he didn't have everybody's respect? I mean a lot of first of all locally. A lot of people thought it was crazy for Georgian to run for president. I mean mean that. It just didn't compute here was a guy who had been a peanut farmer a yes sure he had had a progressive term in office But but where were the ingredients that we're going to propel him to the White House and it just it just didn't add up for president. Nineteen seventy four. It was a major headline them. Throw a gun jimmy running a what. Aw Class announced for president more than a year before Iowa. Judy Woodruff knew what he was up up against. She'd seen him run aground campaign for governor as the underdog outsider at the time she s the candidate about his approach for the seventy six campaign pain. There are still many people from outside the south. Apparently who are a little reluctant to accept the idea of US president from the south. How do you deal with that? I don't believe the sectional prejudice still exists out camping all the country. I probably travel more. Talk more and listen to more people and questions than any other human. Being this year I started my own campaign. I didn't have any political organization. Not much money nobody. Nobody knew who I was. We begin to go from one living room to another one labor hall to another up and down the streets back to shift lines barbershops Josh Good Polish restaurant shaking hand talking to people and Leslie when you saw his campaign style you talked about your first impression. He was very much. We call retailer or maybe one. The one I contact spend some time with a person. Bill Clinton was like that a lot of. We've met people that you think that would translate when you had to go national. I would love to tell you Chris that I knew that I had knew that he had some magic. What I knew was that? He was deeply ambitious organized. The people around him and that they had some kind of plan they weren't sharing it early on and you had to take them seriously. They were looking at the country they were looking at moving moving out and and figuring out a way to get it done. I didn't know that had no way of knowing we never gonNA win. But I knew that you couldn't just write these folks off. There's a new kind of credit card created by Apple. It's called Apple Card and it lives in your wallet APP and in Your Wallet. You can buy things with with apple pay or a laser etched titanium card. It sets a whole new level for privacy and security and it gives you daily cash back with every purchase. Oh and you can apply in minutes. Just open the wallet APP on your iphone tap the plus button to get started to learn more at checkout apple dot co slash. Get Apple Card available available for qualifying applicants in the United States issued by Goldman Sachs Bank. USA Salt Lake City branch. It was not until Johnny Apple New York Times when out in the countryside and our and talk to people you know teachers and policemen and and I guess bartenders and others and he sized up what we already knew about our and wrote a headline in The New York Times that the other reporters ever dreamed that I might coming I in our they look at me as coming in fifth or six because they very seldom we've got out of them on. They would stay there you know and enjoy themselves and talk to each other but he actually went out and and and got opinions from people around the state and he's any projected. I was GONNA win. Which I did was just amazed a lot of people and focused attention on me which is very beneficial? That was Jimmy Carter appearing on C. Span recently about the legendary New York Times reporter Johnny Apple Apple and others on the campaign trail were known as the boys on the bus. Jimmy Carter's Iowa's strategy was coming into focus. It was working and national reporters looked Judy Woodruff Adrift for insights on the underdogs approach to winning elections one voter and time. Those are the glory days of the boys in the bus. That's when you had the big names this Johnny Apple and Broder was just starting really allow them today. Take them seriously because you'd be bumping into them on the bus and elsewhere N.. Jim wooten well of course he he did. He wrote a book about it. He covered him new new a little bit better and there were some national reporters who had spent time in Atlanta and there were folks like bill ship. You know local Georgia reporters Atlanta Constitution. Who who knew more about him but even even they didn't have an idea that he was? I mean none of us could know that how far he was intimately GonNa go but we knew there was the ambition And and the rest of it But yeah I mean I remember talking to Johnny Apple to David The beloved Johnny. The beloved David Broder Early on Because they were curious about him they looked at him and saw. There was something something different but they were trying to figure out what is the. What's the secret ingredient here? And they did talk to us those of us who had covered him for a few years. You know to try to. Did you tell them judy. I mean I learned a lot from those guys. But you're right. They were looking to me a whole lot of other local reporters who had covered in him for some clues walls guilt around Washington. And we feel like we can't quite get through to guarantee the people of this country or government the sensitive to our needs. We can understand and control this competent competent well managed efficient economical profitable and also government which we can be proud. Jimmy Carter a leader her for a change ads like this one. We're new for presidential campaigns. They showed the candidate on the campaign trail. They captured everything the handshakes six conversations the speeches Gerry Rafferty and his film crew pioneered the approach and turned their footage into into campaign ads for Iowa television. The Myth was you. Don't do television in Iowa. It's all on the ground beating eating working around the state but we had a guy riding around the state but it just happens that he was bit we brought her own television crew with them and shooting film Elm of him meeting people. Shaking as my name is Jimmy Carter and burning for president so it looked like if we could win Iowa we could. It would help us when New Hampshire. I'm sure why was it important. It Carter was known for shaking hands with lots of people. Thousands and thousands of people shake hands with staying overnight in their houses sleeping on their couches. That's right. Why was it important to do that on film? And what was the connection between him retailing as we say in politics and then you wholesaling it on television basically basically the same thing Carter shaken hands because it was bringing the message to all the people that he didn't shake hands. As with this is multiplying. It was multiplying and balanced budgets. I believe in screening limiting programs that are long past for that a useful. He was perfect on television but also we had spots of him talking about the issues. People were saying he wasn't talking about the issues so I did five minutes spots as I said I said if anybody spends five minutes with Jimmy. They're gonNA vote for her choice to be made between government private industry. If it's an equal choice I go to private industry. This is a kind of concept that is generally considered the conservative. But at the same time I believe and human being an equal opportunity and freedom and equality of opportunity. And I'll fight for if you agree. Read that government should be sent. You agree with Jimmy Carter on this issue. Vote for him. This comes you laughing. Because because gene McCarthy arthy Senator McCain who ran for president to what he said the way to become an issues candidate is the used. The word issues over. No I I did so. I'm running on the issues. I'm an issues candidate. His low as you say the word issues. The people think you're in issues candidate right. So Initiative Initiative candidate meeting people. Thank you very much. I also isn't Atlantic. You'll remember Jimmy Carter crisscrossed. This crossed Iowa. He was running against a big field. Before this year's campaign nineteen seventy six was the largest democratic field modern history. Carter's playbook dictated the importance of winning in Iowa. He did so by breaking away from that democratic pack the candidates were really not after delegates. It's here in Iowa what the candidates were after was a boost some momentum to carry them into the primary battles ahead and a big boost is exactly what Jimmy Carter got. The did you get to cover him on the ground And I would watch them doing that. Door to door hyphen. Some of it. I saw some of it in in the fall of seventy five When we spent a few days traveling the state with him driving around watching him interviewing people whose wear who had let him stay in their homes overnight who were completely smitten with Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter? It was like they were longtime friends. It was like the Jimmy Carter Magic. He just managed is to win people over. He worked it door to door person to person coffee group by Coffee Group. They knew who the key the Democrats were that they had to win over on the to their side and they D- they work. Those people really yard and those folks were already very loyal by the time I got there and what October of seventy those folks were already very loyal to him and talked about him like he was you know they. They knew he was. He's going to win political science question. Okay how did he distinguish himself from the Liberal Paki ran against without basically describing himself as not oughta liberal not a progressive. I think he was just very clever in the way he talked about it. I mean I'm sure there was some formula behind it. It was just conservative. -servative enough on some things and liberal enough on others that it worked and then there was the overlay of the personality. You know in the big toothy grin the hair kind of falling in his eye and You know the whole the whole story and the fact you know that he and Rosalyn didn't they didn't put on airs. I mean they were themselves elves and they and they never hid the fact that they were from plains Georgia small town. They weren't poor and they you know they didn't hide that they made the most that these were all the ingredients. Jimmy Carter Iowa playbook. I'm honest honest. I'm a former businessman and an engineer and a navy veteran. I'm not from Washington. I'm a little bit liberal and a a little bit conservative and it's nice to meet you. Carter took that message. Oliver Iowa voters bought it. Reporters took note on January nineteenth. Nineteen seventy six. The date for Iowa's caucuses. The Jimmy Carter playbook was put to the test Gerry. Rafferty and and others on the counter campaign. Were already pivoting to New Hampshire and beyond. Did you think you were going to win in Iowa. Yes and when you thought you were going to win. What did you plan well? Every all the candidates were going to Iowa for election for the night of that and we thought we were going to win so anyway so we decided that he would be in New York in the hotel watching it because I was before all the networks quirks picture of the today show and the other shows would going to Iowa. They didn't do that and so the results came in. We were undecided was first but of all the real people. Jimmy Carter was very much the winner and so the next morning. He was on the today show. And then you're headed to New Hampshire to New Hampshire. Here are the first political returns for the year. Nineteen seventy-six six yesterday about fifty thousand Democrats in Iowa met in caucuses in homes churches and fire houses to choose delegates for their state party convention. Most of them. We're still uncommitted thirty-seven percent but former Georgia governor. Jimmy Carter did extremely well with twenty seven percent of the delegate preferences. More than twice as many the Indiana Senator Birch by three times as many as Fred Harris the former Oklahoma Senator Carter was a new Hampshire today grinning from ear to ear. His victory yesterday was a great symbolic importance. There were those today who were using the word front runner to describe Carter. My name Jimmy Carter. And I'm running for president. Jimmy Carter went on to win the Democratic nomination. His Iowa playbook had wirt part. I asked about what it all means for candidates. Today I mean for me the big lesson is somebody can come out of nowhere or what appears to be nowhere air and win that Just because we don't know whoever it is in Washington and they don't they aren't connected to everybody we know. On Capitol Hill the press. They can still rock it. Make it to the top. Except for a couple of cases where Gephardt one out there and the local guy won there in ninety ninety. Two the winner wins it's an astounding meaning winning in Iowa. What do you think about that? I it's the first stop. It just seems to give a tremendous gust of wind behind whoever wins and every election people say. Oh It's not gonNA happen again you know surely a place like this can't be the bellwether all-weather for an election and it hasn't been for both parties. I mean we know the Republicans haven't haven't seen the you know their winters in Iowa haven't always gone on to win the nomination but it Chris. I think it's I think. Democrats really do want to fall in love with their nominee with their the the person they're going to vote for for President Iowa gives you a place to fall in love. You're going door to door people wanna meet you an in. Somebody's living room or kitchen around coffee the table at a coffee shop They WanNA shake your hand. They WanNa look you in the I. You know it's got to be somebody who who believes believes what you believe but it also has to be somebody. You're personally comfortable with and Jimmy Carter managed to win there again in nineteen eighty against Ted Kennedy a total upset again and a friend of mine out there. Assessor WHO's working for Carter said well the last person leaving des Moines. Please turn out the lights his name. Let me ask you the last question. Can you skip Iowa and win the dominates the Democratic Party. I wish I were smart enough to tell you the answer Chris I th. I think it's very tough but I don't. I don't rule anything out. I think we are in a different moment right now. With with President Trump. He's somebody is you know you know very well who generates incredible loyalty and incredible distrust and dislike and worse it is. It is hard to imagine how somebody who hasn't laid the groundwork who hasn't been asked this day after day after day and put in the you know the the hard hard labor in Iowa and New Hampshire and the other states is GonNa make it but if these candidates don't look strong coming out of these early contests. I could see the possibility that the voters take a look and say okay. What does this guy have to offer? So it's a maybe I'm judy woodruff. WHO had a front row seat Jimmy? Carter's win in Iowa today. She's anchor and managing editor the PBS news out Gerry. Rafferty ran advertising for Jimmy Carter in Iowa and went on to direct communications in the Carter White House. So you WANNA be president. Here's a preview of less than two year after year. Voters want to see if candidates. This can show some spontaneity something beyond the talking points the delights Iran in. Somebody's home you know one of the parts of politics that we forget about. Is You have to show that you are on an even Keel your well-balanced you get the joke you're good natured. We may give you the nuclear codes someday if you win. We'll explain next time. I'm Chris Matthews with hardball on MSNBC Z.. Thanks so much for listening the meet the press. Chuck Todd Cast. It's an insider's take on politics. The twenty twenty election and more candid conversations stations with some of my favorite reporters about things. We usually discuss off camera. Listen for free wherever you get your podcast.

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"Hi everybody it's Chris Matthews host of the new. MSNBC PODCAST say you want to be president. It's about the lessons learned from campaigns. That got their across six episodes. I talked talk to campaign veterans about six timeless themes that separate the winners from the losers. You can stay right here and listen to the first episode and to get the entire series search search for president wherever you're listening right now and subscribe friends delegates and fellow Americans. I accept your nomination. So you WANNA be president. I'm Chris Matty some hardball on MSNBC. I've watched so many people run for their party party nomination but only a few who had to get it Madam Chairwoman and let's I have a privilege given few Americans for all those who believe that our best days are ahead of us. I proudly only accept your nomination. WanNa be president. This show is about what you have to do to get your nomination. These are the lessons learned from campaigns. 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You get America's attention you stand out for voters inside a national spotlight as the election counter races onto New Hampshire and beyond John. Kennedy's haven't always thought winning. I was worth it. The first is so its value. Was Jimmy mccarter. He put the Iowa caucuses on the map on asking me the next night. I'm running for president. Did that thank the much in nineteen seventy five in one thousand nine hundred seventy six. Jimmy Carter went all in in Iowa. He needed to outside the south. Georgia governor was unknown to most people and he's up against a crowded more established field to win an Iowa. Jimmy Carter champion. Something called retail politics. He took his underdog campaign to the people giving me. I won't Sheila Hi. I'm giving a funny shooting film of Him. Meeting people people shaking hands by name. Is Jimmy Carter burning for president Jerry. RAPP Shin was part of Jimmy Carter's campaigns in the early days. I for Georgia governor then for the White White House Jerry. Random film shoots created all the campaign ads and was part of the team who dreamed up winning Iowa Strategy. It look life if we get all the national attention who would all be director. Ken This guy. Do it again in New Hampshire. It was very clear that they were working the state and had it all mapped out. Judy Woodruff also watched him Carter in his early days as a politician. Did you know her. Today is anchoring Managing Editor for the PBS Newshour in the Early Nineteen Seventy S. She was a rookie journalist working in Atlanta I had just just gone to work for NBC. And I started telling my my bosses at NBC. You gotta pay attention to this Governor Carter and they looked at me like I had a hole in my head the freedom prejudice. Because you are. I am apart prejudice. I'm GonNa Michio Jimmy Carter. Was You know obviously thing not a creature of Washington not somebody who they thought you know. They thought thick southern accent. Who who does he think he is and I kept saying to them? You know you really need to pay attention to this guy. He's going somewhere judy. Woodruff was right. Jimmy Carter playbook look we go on to become less than one for campaigns win Iowa with retail politics. Climb inside the national spotlight and hanging there all the wait the nomination roots of Jimmy. Carter's playbook and I would took shape long before his presidential run John. Carter was then a first time candidate for Georgia governor. He was up against some big time politicians. He needed. Help Jerry we wrap. Shane was young advertising executive in Atlanta. A friend offered him a job on the Carter campaign fellow by name. Hal Gulliver who was editor. It became editor around the constitution. Said Jerry You ought to do Jimmy. Carter's campaign you ought to do the advertising. He's a friend of mine. Nine and I said how I can't do that. I just start the advertising agency but then I was driving my car down down peach tree on a Saturday and I heard a commercial come on the air and it was country and western singer singing. enghien Jimmy Carter is name. Jimmy Carter is name. Jimmy Carter is the number one for governor. I almost went off the road. I went to a filling station and I called Gulliver and I said he your friend Carter needs help. He's told you why don't you just tell them to take the damn jingle off. I'm not going to. That's free advice. So the following Monday night I was babysitting. My wife was out and Gulliver calls me up and says Carta just fired Ziad Guy. And he's got sixty thousand dollars. There's to spend the pronoun the camp of silly election which is two months away and wants to know how you're going to spend that so I go up and the a headquarters was a suite at the plaza. Hotel were all politicos. Hung out the door opens and in walks. This Guy Jimmy mccarter and he's with three people and so they said well. What have you got? I said well you need to do away with all your billboards boards and you've got sixty thousand dollars that's put it all on television and will follow you around the state and so what's the message and I said there's a demand coming to your town. His name is Jimmy Carter. He's running for governor. They say he can't win. It's not up to them to decide who can win you decide decide. Who can win? Go see him talk to him. Find out what he has to say better yet. You tell them what you have to say. Silence in the room and the political science professor said this is a disaster. You'd never say you can't win and I said He's not number number one he's fourth. It's not the truth. That doesn't matter. I said well. Jimmy Jimmy's reaction all this chess. He's sitting there watching being made and he turned to them and said. Let me talk to this guy alone I said. And he said of. Don't argue with these folks folks. These are good folks and I need them. Now let's two year campaign. Oh and I fell in love because he believed in you. Yeah we follow around the state. We we shot footage in became a Carter trademark. He went to the factory gates. They went all over and then he called me a few months later and said we're GonNa do it again with me and of course I was the only job I could get in in. Journalism was the secretary secretary in the newsroom of the ABC affiliate in Atlanta. And they hired me right out right out of Duke I answered the phone cleaned. The film's emptied the trash and ultimately persuaded them that I really wanted report. Couldn't get a job there but was hired with a CBS station in Atlanta to cover over politics. The first assignment I had was covering the Henry. County fight over highways In Georgia but it wasn't not long after that that Jimmy Carter and others announce they this was nineteen seventy and Jimmy Carter and others announced. They were running for governor and and he had his journey. That wasn't the only assignment I had. I covered a lot. I was general assignment but that was where I first met Jimmy Carter. I watched him mount on the trail met Rosalyn. And you know really was captivated by the Carter Mystique. If you want to call it that did you get his sense for instance. He could go national that he was that kind of big time. Big League politician not then but but after he was elected shoe or by the end of that year and I I saw him in office and I saw how effective he was. I'm I know the point came watching him a deal with the Georgia legislature. And frankly he didn't have a lot of respect for most of them He worked with them but he essentially liked to tell them what to do and what he thought. But that's that was Jimmy. Carter people watched when he was governor. Jimmy Carter had bigger plans so did his closest advisers Hamilton Hamilton Jordan. Who ran the Carter Campaign Jerry raft soon and others took the lessons learned from the Georgia racist and put their heads together about the governor's chances in in a presidential run Iowa would be crucial to their national strategy? We told the governor. We wanted to come see him about his future car and he said Okay So. We got to the governor's mansion and we laid out. Why he had the advantage? The South had never had had a president for one hundred Twenty Years Union count. Johnson is at West right but also he did not get elected the first time. You're not a racist. You can be George Wallace in the South who went through the list of all things being a governor Watergate Watergate was going on and he says well. What do you guys want to do? And we said we'll come back and bring you a plan and running it all states. This is right after the Nixon sweep about govern one forty nine states. Yeah and he said okay. I'm GONNA do it. And the plan was beat Kennedy in the North in New Hampshire and be Wallace in Florida. As of this time here in the state that I love surrounded by friends of mine from all over the nation I liked announce that I am a candidate for president when he enhanced as for president. Did that surprise you. At the time he announced I knew he was. I knew for a little for a little bit of time that he was going to run. You had he would have have national politicians come to visit him. I remember Hubert Humphrey I just. I just remember a parade of Democrats coming through Atlanta. He was on the move. He was trying to be a player in National Democratic Party politics so we knew he had great ambition and the people around him. The young young guys is around him. Did what did you make. The remember headline of the Atlanta Journal Constitution said Jimmy. Who is running for what it's because the people people he didn't have everybody's respect? I mean a lot of first of all locally. A lot of people thought it was crazy for Georgian to run for president. I mean mean that. It just didn't compute here was a guy who had been a peanut farmer a yes sure he had had a progressive term in office But but where were the ingredients that we're going to propel him to the White House and it just it just didn't add up for president. Nineteen seventy four. It was a major headline them. Throw a gun jimmy running a what. Aw Class announced for president more than a year before Iowa. Judy Woodruff knew what he was up up against. She'd seen him run aground campaign for governor as the underdog outsider at the time she s the candidate about his approach for the seventy six campaign pain. There are still many people from outside the south. Apparently who are a little reluctant to accept the idea of US president from the south. How do you deal with that? I don't believe the sectional prejudice still exists out camping all the country. I probably travel more. Talk more and listen to more people and questions than any other human. Being this year I started my own campaign. I didn't have any political organization. Not much money nobody. Nobody knew who I was. We begin to go from one living room to another one labor hall to another up and down the streets back to shift lines barbershops Josh Good Polish restaurant shaking hand talking to people and Leslie when you saw his campaign style you talked about your first impression. He was very much. We call retailer or maybe one. The one I contact spend some time with a person. Bill Clinton was like that a lot of. We've met people that you think that would translate when you had to go national. I would love to tell you Chris that I knew that I had knew that he had some magic. What I knew was that? He was deeply ambitious organized. The people around him and that they had some kind of plan they weren't sharing it early on and you had to take them seriously. They were looking at the country they were looking at moving moving out and and figuring out a way to get it done. I didn't know that had no way of knowing we never gonNA win. But I knew that you couldn't just write these folks off. There's a new kind of credit card created by Apple. It's called Apple Card and it lives in your wallet APP and in Your Wallet. You can buy things with with apple pay or a laser etched titanium card. It sets a whole new level for privacy and security and it gives you daily cash back with every purchase. Oh and you can apply in minutes. Just open the wallet APP on your iphone tap the plus button to get started to learn more at checkout apple dot co slash. Get Apple Card available available for qualifying applicants in the United States issued by Goldman Sachs Bank. USA Salt Lake City branch. It was not until Johnny Apple New York Times when out in the countryside and our and talk to people you know teachers and policemen and and I guess bartenders and others and he sized up what we already knew about our and wrote a headline in The New York Times that the other reporters ever dreamed that I might coming I in our they look at me as coming in fifth or six because they very seldom we've got out of them on. They would stay there you know and enjoy themselves and talk to each other but he actually went out and and and got opinions from people around the state and he's any projected. I was GONNA win. Which I did was just amazed a lot of people and focused attention on me which is very beneficial? That was Jimmy Carter appearing on C. Span recently about the legendary New York Times reporter Johnny Apple Apple and others on the campaign trail were known as the boys on the bus. Jimmy Carter's Iowa's strategy was coming into focus. It was working and national reporters looked Judy Woodruff Adrift for insights on the underdogs approach to winning elections one voter and a time. Those are the glory days of the boys in the bus. That's when you had the big names this Johnny Apple and Broder was just starting really allow them today. Take them seriously because you'd be bumping into them on the bus and elsewhere N.. Jim wooten well of course he he did. He wrote a book about it. He covered him new new a little bit better and there were some national reporters who had spent time in Atlanta and there were folks like bill ship. You know local Georgia reporters Atlanta Constitution. Who who knew more about him but even even they didn't have an idea that he was? I mean none of us could know that how far he was intimately GonNa go but we knew there was the ambition And and the rest of it But yeah I mean I remember talking to Johnny Apple to David The beloved Johnny. The beloved David Broder Early on Because they were curious about him they looked at him and saw. There was something something different but they were trying to figure out what is the. What's the secret ingredient here? And they did talk to us those of us who had covered him for a few years. You know to try to. Did you tell them judy. I mean I learned a lot from those guys. But you're right. They were looking to me a whole lot of other local reporters who had covered in him for some clues walls guilt around Washington. And we feel like we can't quite get through to guarantee the people of this country or government the sensitive to our needs. We can understand and control this competent competent well managed efficient economical purposeful and also government which we can be proud. Jimmy Carter a leader her for a change ads like this one. We're new for presidential campaigns. They showed the candidate on the campaign trail. They captured everything the handshakes six conversations the speeches Gerry Rafferty and his film crew pioneered the approach and turned their footage into into campaign ads for Iowa television. The Myth was you. Don't do television in Iowa. It's all on the ground beating eating working around the state but we had a guy riding around the state but it just happens that he was bit we brought her own television crew with them and shooting film Elm of him meeting people. Shaking as my name is Jimmy Carter and burning for president so it looked like if we could win Iowa we could. It would help us when New Hampshire. I'm sure why was it important. It Carter was known for shaking hands with lots of people. Thousands and thousands of people shake hands with staying overnight in their houses sleeping on their couches. That's right. Why was it important to do that on film? And what was the connection between him retailing as we say in politics and then you wholesaling it on television basically basically the same thing Carter shaken hands because it was bringing the message to all the people that he didn't shake hands. As with this is multiplying. It was multiplying and balanced budgets. I believe in screening limiting programs that are long past for that a useful. He was perfect on television but also we had spots of him talking about the issues. People were saying he wasn't talking about the issues so I did five minutes spots as I said I said if anybody spends five minutes with Jimmy. They're gonNA vote for her choice to be made between government private industry. If it's an equal choice I go to private industry. This is a kind of concept that is generally considered the conservative. But at the same time I believe and human being an equal opportunity and freedom and equality of opportunity. And I'll fight for if you agree. Read that government should be sent. You agree with Jimmy Carter on this issue. Vote for him. This comes you laughing. Because because gene McCarthy arthy Senator McCain who ran for president to what he said the way to become an issues candidate is the used. The word issues over. No I I did so. I'm running on the issues. I'm an issues candidate. His low as you say the word issues. The people think you're in issues candidate right. So Initiative Initiative candidate meeting people. Thank you very much. I also isn't Atlantic. You'll remember Jimmy Carter crisscrossed. This crossed Iowa. He was running against a big field. Before this year's campaign nineteen seventy six was the largest democratic field modern history. Carter's playbook dictated the importance of winning in Iowa. He did so by breaking away from that democratic pack the candidates were really not after delegates. It's here in Iowa what the candidates were after was a boost some momentum to carry them into the primary battles ahead and a big boost is exactly what Jimmy Carter got. What year did you get to cover him on the ground And I would watch them doing that. Door to door hyphen. Some of it. I saw some of it in in the fall of seventy five When we spent a few days traveling the state with him driving around watching him interviewing people whose wear who had let him stay in their homes overnight who were completely smitten with Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter? It was like they were longtime friends. It was like the Jimmy Carter Magic. He just managed is to win people over. He worked it door to door person to person coffee group by Coffee Group. They knew who the key the Democrats were that they had to win over on the to their side and they D- they work. Those people really yard and those folks were already very loyal by the time I got there and what October of seventy those folks were already very loyal to him and talked about him like he was you know they. They knew he was. He's going to win political science question. Okay how did he distinguish himself from the Liberal Paki ran against without basically describing himself as not oughta liberal not a progressive. I think he was just very clever in the way he talked about it. I mean I'm sure there was some formula behind it. It was just conservative. -servative enough on some things and liberal enough on others that it worked and then there was the overlay of the personality. You know in the big toothy grin the hair kind of falling in his eye and You know the whole the whole story and the fact you know that he and Rosalyn didn't they didn't put on airs. I mean they were themselves elves and they and they never hid the fact that they were from plains Georgia small town. They weren't poor and they you know they didn't hide that they made the most that these were all the ingredients. Jimmy Carter Iowa playbook. I'm honest honest. I'm a former businessman and an engineer and a navy veteran. I'm not from Washington. I'm a little bit liberal and a a little bit conservative and it's nice to meet you. Carter took that message. Oliver Iowa voters bought it. Reporters took note on January nineteenth. Nineteen seventy six. The date for Iowa's caucuses. The Jimmy Carter playbook was put to the test Gerry. Rafferty and and others on the counter campaign. Were already pivoting to New Hampshire and beyond. Did you think you were going to win in Iowa. Yes and when you thought you were going to win. What did you plan well? Every all the candidates were going to Iowa for election for the night of that and we thought we were going to win so anyway so we decided that he would be in New York in the hotel watching it because I was before all the networks quirks picture of the today show and the other shows would going to Iowa. They didn't do that and so the results came in. We were undecided was first but of all the real people. Jimmy Carter was very much the winner and so the next morning. He was on the today show. And then you're headed to New Hampshire to New Hampshire. Here are the first political returns for the year. Nineteen seventy-six six yesterday about fifty thousand Democrats in Iowa met in caucuses in homes churches and fire houses to choose delegates for their state party convention. Most of them. We're still uncommitted thirty-seven percent but former Georgia governor. Jimmy Carter did extremely well with twenty seven percent of the delegate preferences. More than twice as many the Indiana Senator Birch by three times as many as Fred Harris the former Oklahoma Senator Carter was a new Hampshire today grinning from ear to ear. His victory yesterday was a great symbolic importance. There were those today who were using the word front runner to describe Carter. My name Jimmy Carter. And I'm running for president. Jimmy Carter went on to win the Democratic nomination. His Iowa playbook had wirt part. I asked about what it all means for candidates. Today I mean for me the big lesson is somebody can come out of nowhere or what appears to be nowhere air and win that Just because we don't know whoever it is in Washington and they don't they aren't connected to everybody we know. On Capitol Hill the press. They can still rock it. Make it to the top. Except for a couple of cases where Gephardt one out there and the local guy won there in ninety ninety. Two the winner wins it's an astounding meaning winning in Iowa. What do you think about that? I it's the first stop. It just seems to give a tremendous gust of wind behind whoever wins and every election people say. Oh It's not gonNA happen again you know surely a place like this can't be the bellwether all-weather for an election and it hasn't been for both parties. I mean we know the Republicans haven't haven't seen the you know their winters in Iowa haven't always gone on to win the nomination but it Chris. I think it's I think. Democrats really do want to fall in love with their nominee with their the the person they're going to vote for for President Iowa gives you a place to fall in love. You're going door to door people wanna meet you an in. Somebody's living room or kitchen around coffee the table at a coffee shop They WanNA shake your hand. They WanNa look you in the I. You know it's got to be somebody who who believes believes what you believe but it also has to be somebody. You're personally comfortable with and Jimmy Carter managed to win there again in nineteen eighty against Ted Kennedy a total upset again and a friend of mine out there. Assessor WHO's working for Carter said well the last person leaving des Moines. Please turn out the lights his name. Let me ask you the last question. Can you skip Iowa and win the dominates the Democratic Party. I wish I were smart enough to tell you the answer Chris I th. I think it's very tough but I don't. I don't rule anything out. I think we are in a different moment right now. With with President Trump. He's somebody is you know you know very well who generates incredible loyalty and incredible distrust and dislike and worse it is. It is hard to imagine how somebody who hasn't laid the groundwork who hasn't been asked this day after day after day and put in the you know the the hard hard labor in Iowa and New Hampshire and the other states is GonNa make it but if these candidates don't look strong coming out of these early contests. I could see the possibility that the voters take a look and say okay. What does this guy have to offer? So it's a maybe I'm judy woodruff. Who Rose seat Jimmy? Carter's win in Iowa today. She's anchor and managing editor the PBS news out Gerry. Rafferty ran advertising for Jimmy Carter in Iowa and went on to direct communications in the Carter White House. So you WANNA be president. Here's a preview of less than two year after year. Voters want to see if candidates. This can show some spontaneity something beyond the talking points the delights Iran in. Somebody's home you know one of the parts of politics that we forget about. 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"Relay FM. This is upgrade episode. Two hundred and ninety five today show is brought to you by pinged them. Leonard and fully. My name is Mike Kelly. I'm joined by Mr Jason. Snell higest snow Mike early. How are you? I'm very well Jason. I just realized just realized something very exciting. We're we're five weeks away from episode three hundred and that's June first so come on apple the day for the KENO needs to be Monday June August because then it can be episode three hundred upgrade. Don't give us a June eighth whereas three one super upsetting it would just redirect so come on episode three hundred June. I W wouldn't that be great or I mean honestly I would take a draft episode three years of being a draft so they could do it the week off the first two weeks. It's going to be all right. No one cares about how she helped. Noto question authorised Jason. What do you use your voicemail greeting? I laugh at this because I I can't remember. What my voicemail greeting even says but my my I have recorded something that says that it's you've reached my phone and leave a message that I think that's it it's a very generic in my voice that you need is you and I really love voicemail. Greetings that go into great detail about how you leave a voicemail message or sometimes the automated system explains that now that you've heard this message. Here's what we're GONNA do. You're GonNa hear a tone and then after the tone what we're not gonNA say anything because you need to say something then and then when you're done you can either just hang up or press the pound key because it's like an email you have to send. I don't know anyway. Go ahead and do that now. I like the idea of telling people they need to hang up. They just wait. Maybe they'll pick up young right. Just they did an answering machines in like the late Seventies. Why are we still explaining how you use them? Plus at this point. Anybody WHO's leaving. Voicemail is old enough to remember the late seventies so no one should call me. They especially shouldn't leave me voice mail I Yeah I did at one point when I was at macworld. I think I actually had a thing that said Oh this is where my phone on my landline. Phone in my office at macworld I. I literally said I. Don't check this voicemail. Send me an email. Because I'M NOT GONNA I'm not GonNa hear you and seriously. I never checked that thing. It had. I would check it every once in a while. And there'd be like eighteen messages on it from three months before and I'd be like who well hope there's nothing important here and that's why I put the message on there. It's like it was more like you can leave a message if you want and I'll probably listen to it eventually but if you really want to reach me send me an email. Please don't just don't remember the trend of like. Hey Oh wait you know like sure of US robocall. Those have happened so many times. It's Yeah it's true. Leave the message at the beep. Because that's how we've done it for fifty years Jason. We leave our podcast at the beep. We do. That's however episode big every episode it can be revealed now in episode two hundred ninety five every episode of upgraded. Is just a long voicemail very very very long voicemail? Call if you would like to send them to help us begin an episode about great. Just send out a tweet with the Hash tag smell talk and it may be considered a future. Thank you to author the sending the Jason. Yes I wanNA talk to you about apple and Google's Partnership for Covet Nineteen and a guy calling it contact tracing because that's not what it's cold anymore. No Apple Google of released. More information about their joint. Effort is now cold exposure notification which I think is a better. It sounds nicer to me. I think is more descriptive and less nineteen eighty-four sounding and it's more accurate in the sense that it's a tool to be used as a part of a larger contact tracing effort. Yes which is a way to look at. I was reading an interview with Bill Gates. This morning And he was talking about how they asked him. I think it was as reclined at. Vox asked him what about like Bluetooth things and he said it's better to think about that almost as like a tool to remember where you were and who you might have been with he was really kind of. Pooh poohing it. I think maybe a little too much but but he was making the broader point that it's a tool to be used by the public health workers who are trying to do contact tracing it's a it's a source of information. That's what it's for I think is a is a good idea in a way to have it like downplayed a little because it's not a magic bullet this thing like it's going to help some stuff but it's not gonna fix anything right like she says especially in. Its first iteration which we get to a little bit more. But there's more stuff that they've announced so the keys so like the identifying keys will generate randomly robin and being derived from temporary tracing case. So it's more privacy. Basically like more random generation Bluetooth method will be encrypted the exposure time so the time of people talking will be recorded in five minute intervals. Capped thirty minutes. Because I guess that would kind of be like you don't live with this person right if it just kept triggering forever. The API we made available to healthcare agencies around the world will allow developers to specify the strength of a Bluetooth connection allowing them to understand how close people are to each other and also allows them to filter out some events for accuracy and to better calculate the distances at which people were to each other. When talking right to the Bluetooth Elliot had can have a decent range. You'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA get a trace of somebody who is fifteen feet away from you and that's less important so they're trying to look at the the signal strength and the amount of time and make a guest because again there are sudden you know it doesn't it doesn't a major quick interactions. It doesn't measure stuff that might be left on a surface although it's unclear if there's a lot of surface transmission going on but you touch something that was sneezed on by somebody who was there ten minutes ago There's no way to measure that no end. It can over measure if you're twenty feet from somebody or fifteen feet from somebody. So it's it's they're trying to build in more of this kind of reduction of of False results of of misleading results. The efficiency of the encryption has been improved to help with efficient sade like battery life in processing and stuff and the number of days since and exposure event will be able to be calculated. So you'll be able to spend this amount of time since and event so apple and Google are expecting to release their first seat of this next week So then healthcare companies will be able to start or agencies. I should say we'll be able to start implementing the center applications. I would say from reading about this online. Seeing a lot of people talking about it feels like still a lot of confusion about how these guys are going to be implemented like. I've seen lots of reports of and develop a saying the APPs need to be running. Your phone needs to be unlocked. That kind of stuff. I can explain what's going on here and this actually segues pretty well into the other part of this that we need to talk about. Which is what's been going on with some governments that initially made these announcements that they were going to be doing like these APPs that were going to do all the tracking and that they were kind of in opposition. It's funny a European countries that have been part of the EU and Yary forward in privacy issues right and then they said well. We're going to do this thing where you send us all your data and apple and Google end up being on the other side of it which is funny because they often get hit by e you things about them not protecting people's privacy and this is them sort of giving their own medicine back to the EU and saying we are building a system that does not have a centralized location for data. That is opted. All these things that we've been talking about and what happens if you don't do that and you just build an APP yourself and put it out there and I think Australia did this. And there's some countries that have done this and we're playing others were planning on doing it is on. You can't do that on. Ios You can't just have an APP that is monitoring all Bluetooth stuff and is running all the time because eventually the system shutdown. So you're working in the background so you have to keep it in the foreground and you have to keep your APP open and or your your phone open and unlocked and running that APP. Which nobody's it's not gonNA work? Nobody's going to do that. But because apple doesn't support this this kind of behavior in an APP to do all of this in the background in run forever they. They're trying to work around it and complained to apple and say oh apple is is bad they should just let us do whatever we want here. Which is against all of apple's rules for good reasons that exist there but what seems to be happening is that was the first wave of like we're GonNa Right now. That does this and then apple and Google came out with their thing which said hold on. Now why don't we do this thing you'll get an API later it'll be in the system and it'll protect everybody's privacy and you get cases like in Germany or Germany. And I think France to said we're GONNA do it the way we're going to we're going to build the centralised thing and we're going to build an APP and you're going to have to run an apple needs to play ball with us and let us run our APP all the time and all of that and then they look at look at the white paper that Google an apple working on now. That's the way to do this. And it is something that I will say is pretty impressive for government and leaders of government to to see new information and change their minds and not doubled down on their old dumb thing. They they say. Oh Yeah you're right. Let's do that instead and so I think it's the right thing to do. It is kind of breathtaking. A little bit scary to consider that the government of Germany for example. Was WE WANNA do it? This way. And then to tech companies from the bay area say Germany. No do it our way instead. Germany's like Oh yes. Sir Yes sir. You're right we'll do your way we'll do your way but for me though. I prefer that personally. Well I will say this the technical expertise at apple and Google about building a system like this and having at work right and having it preserved. People's privacy far exceeds the technical expertise available in a government. That's that's my feeling right like if the government told me they wanted to look off that data. I would not trust them. I will try exactly exactly. And that's the thing is is. Is Germany using this as a secret method to get all their information about their their their people know but once government has that information. You don't know what the government's going to do with it. You know what aspects of the government are going to do. You don't know what the next government's going to be an as as a lot of people learned after nine eleven Once once rules about information and security and other things change. It's often very hard to get them to revert back to what they were before the event so to their credit saying it. I just think it's funny that it's like company step up and go no no countries. Don't do it that way. Countries like oh no. We won't do it that way. You're right you're saying in the chat like I believe that these governments they had the best intention right look in their current form but they don't have. They cannot have the technical expertise and ability to make this work correctly Google building. Who's building these APPS? Who's building the Australia? Monitoring APP and the German monitoring it some third party who probably doesn't know a lot about these issues and hasn't thought about them a lot and is doing the most straightforward. Well WE'RE LOOKING FOR BLUETOOTH. And then we log into a server and we run the foreground and we're done whereas apple and Google are the vendors and they have come together and they are building something that's based. I wrote a piece of Macworld a few weeks ago. That basically is like. It's really good that Apple's in the conversation here because apple has spent so much time trying to figure out ways to do this. That keep people's information private while having it'd be usable because it's been apple's game to do it this way it's been their brand promised to do it this way. They've done the research. And that's really helpful in this moment when everybody's looking for a solution but apple can go to Google and they can bow step forward and say we have all the smartphones on the planet. And we're GONNA build this way. Please build it with us. This way because that leadership is going to end up with people in all sorts of countries not having a centralized database of all their location information in the name of contact tracing that that is then a centralized government database. Which again. It might not be misused. But this is a better approach. This is a better approach. So I'm glad that Apple's kind of you know differentiator as a company and the work they do into that has ended up being something that I think is going to make the world a better place. Not intentionally they didn't do it this way but like because they had it and they've thought about it this way and then this happened. I think we're going to get a system that doesn't have governments tracking everybody's movements and that's better along for longtime on this show. She'd been listening. Long enough. I've had this kind of like feeling this thing that I've been trying to get across of like I believe that Tim Cook is the most powerful person on the planet like that is my opinion like he is a world leader level and everyone will listen to him and. I think that this is enough for example of this because it's known now that Tim Cook and the the President is Prime Minister of France. I can't remember the president or Prime Minister. I apologize but the leader. The premiere of France. They had a compensation because there was this weird photo of like Tim on a screen cygnus picture right and the talking and it's like then they were like oh. We spoke to apple and so good. Now we're going to go with the Apple Google solution but and I think that was the PR thing. But I genuinely feel like at a level. Tim is just going to be like. This is how we are going to do it. And we strongly advise that you do our way right because the scale that that he is an to definitely to some levels and upcharges while like they are at the world leader level and time. Thank you kate. Macaroni President I T president. Prime Minister on Premier. I I would hit it off somewhere and thank you for the reminder but they I think this is showing an. I am unsure how I feel about this. Like it's good and bad to me is like that's it who's got the power here. Who Do I want to have it when I when I joke about Germany and France saying Oh oh yes apple and Google yes sir yes sir. We'll do what you want. I don't mean I mean that's what I'm getting at is. It is a little disturbing to see. Nations DECI realized that the giant corporations are on this and that they need to follow their lead. Because that's not that sort of not how it's supposed to work and it makes me worry about the power of these huge tech companies. I think I think this is a good thing in the short term. But I think after we're done with this a lot of people are gonNA point to moments like this and say why do they have so much power that said having not just being the government but having it'd be on other places to might might not be the worst thing but it is unsettling to think about it that the the the vast amount of power that these private I mean? They're publicly held but these corporations have over everything in the world. I think that this is where this is going to be one of the big things in history from this pandemic that we're in is the change in power like this is a defining moment. I think like I don't. I'm not trying to overplay this but we need to look at what is happening here right. If this system continues to go forward and the tech companies continue to push it. They continue to do different things to massage the way that governments work. Like everyone's learned a lesson here right like cooking jive realized. Oh we can then the world to our will if we need to and that is a weird thing right because you mentioned like how things changed after nine eleven right and the powers of the government in America became much a lot of freedoms changed and freedom of movement changed right. Moot traveling across the globe changed because of that one event like and the way a tourist attra- at when they come to America is like you are guilty until proven innocent right like that is how you're treated when you enter an American customs situation right any but I feel like anyone I think even some Americans have this problem but like if you arrive in to America as a tourist with all of the visas and stuff you were still treated like you need to prove to me that you are not coming here to cause trouble which is a very weird thing but those are the things changed and this could be the stuff that changes which is like the power balance moves and because it's one of those things that like if you look you can see it right like we again. Look at the Mac pro thing right that we spoke about with with cooking trump and if that was something that cycle this is like a weird global political situation but now like then not even coming at this to be like all. We'll give you something you give something back. It's very much like this is the system you can interact with your absent any better way to this. We will not allow it. Go for it. Because there's a report from Reuters which says that like basically that's effectively. What happened in the German government? They will like well. The only way we can make this work properly is if it will work in the background. And the only way we're going to do that is if we go of apple system. It's this it's clear up. Yeah and this is also an example of extreme and this is where may backfire on the tech companies. This is an extreme moment. And so right now they need to get this out as quickly as possible and apple and Google have teed it up there like may we're GonNa have the API and later on in the summer we're going to have it built into every phone that is on the current version of our operating system. Or whatever it's GonNa it's GonNa Happen and if you're the government and you say we'll know what we want you to do is modify your operating system to run our APP in the foreground all the time apple is GonNa be like no we can't. We can't do that in the long run. Though the governments are GonNa look at this situation and say well. We need to be able to tell them what to do. I really believe that's going to be the outcome of this in a year or two. It's just going to be like wow. They really had us over a barrel there. They had us where they wanted us. We couldn't tell them make. Our APP ran in the foreground. I know that's a little bit like saying to encryption. Experts just invent magical key that decrepit things. It doesn't work that way but governments want to be able to order corporations to to do what they want if they need them to do it. Whether it's give information you know governments want to pass laws and say you have to do it this way. This is why we operate as a government representing the people and you don't represent the people and we need you to behave in a certain way. That's how it works so I think they're going to look at this and be like you know we did it now and it is a superior approach but I think a lot of people in governments are gonNA look at it and say wow Google and apple had us all. They had US under their thumbs because they have all the smartphones and I would not be surprised if the EU especially as much more aggressive at some point down the line because of stuff like this even though apple and Google. I think are in the right here and they're trying to get all these governments that were doing these kind of fast reactions to build smartphone tracking in. You know they're doing the right thing and sort of saying don't do that it. It still their power and I think will make a lot of people in government uncomfortable and again like I would just say like I agree. Governments might say like A. We need to have control over this but then apple. Google might say they can't control us and so we are entering into these very strange times because of stuff like this however I think my feeling on this right now is still. I think this is a good thing for right now. I I agree with that. I agree with that. I think the long run is the is the question and the balance of power It's I could take the optimistic side here too in that the European countries will look at this and say oh. These guys aren't as bad as we thought that like. They stepped up and built a privacy based system without anybody asking them to and there was better than ours and maybe these people. We shouldn't be quite as as troubled by their behavior. That could happen. I'm skeptical I anyway. We should put a bookmark in that. And say let's check back in a few years and see what the ramifications of of and apple basically say nope to global governments and having them fall in line but it's been fascinating to watch and hopefully again. The point of this is hopefully these will roll out quickly in all sorts of places and that this technology will be helpful technology. That's not called contact. Tracing its called exposure notification will be helpful in a larger program of finding out where the virus is and who has been in contact with somebody who might have been contagious so that we can stop the virus from re emerging as people reemerged from their homes. This episode of upgrade is brought to you by fully fully workplace. Furniture is designed for health flow imbalance and during these uncertain times fully as helping people and businesses across the US Canada and Europe. Make the transition to working from home with modern environmentally friendly and ethically manufactured office furniture. 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Hbo Max is set to launch on May twenty seventh in the US for nine thousand nine a month which seems expensive now in the landscape. But you do get Hashtag all your favorites friends. Big Bang Theory South Park's do your Ghibli tons of movies tons of originals all the HBO. Original some other originals. I I WANNA point out by the way that the one of the ads for this that came out from. Hbo Social Media Promoting. This was a picture of Tony. Soprano a picture of Chandler being from friends and a picture of. I don't know show the Big Bang theory and it said Bata Being Bang and I thought this isn't going to devalue the HBO brand at all so his physics about that one that went viral because it was so bad but that but it doesn't matter because it means most people are and people being like the people old HBO. This was the number one fear. Yeah it's true Zinger right like what are you about Zinger? I think I think from okay. Let me put on my warner media. Corporate Hat I think was the best brand they had I think. Hbo Max is probably the right decision. I also appreciate the fact that it basically calm you know is going to redefine what. Hbo MEANS IN A way. That is maybe not great but I think this is what they had to do. I I just think this is what they had to do. And they can still make quality originals. And they've got a bunch of catalog content I don't think. Hbo Max is going to probably be making you know. Cvs STYLE SITCOMS as their originals. Going forward seems less likely that they would do that. My my guess is that they may be broader than HBO proper but that they will still be in terms of their originals stuff that they can be more or less proud of but but yeah like this is what they had to do because they they needed to. They needed to create this product I'm as an HBO subscriber via cable. So I get HBO. It's unclear to me even now. Exactly what that means when this launches and if I pay if I have to pay more to get this or if I can't get it or what but But there they've got a big catalog. It's an HBO stuff is good on. Its own 'cause I pay for that. So this is a super set of that. You're right fifteen dollars. A month does seem like a lot but they had this challenge as we've talked about here with the fact that they've got HBO which people pay for by their cable. Companies and cable companies. Pay For. And then you're adding all this other stuff on top of it you kind of need to charge less for everything than you do for just HBO that that would have the effect of literally you'd be paying not to watch friends. The friends reunion episode is delayed right. Don't think the moral in the same room. I think zoom Cole would not give you what you wanted a so. That's the stuff that they're doing. I want this service. There are no international plans and this is because a lot of the content is spread all over the place still so I would expect. Hbo will waiting for a while before they can rain some end. Yeah Yeah. They've got years of deals with other places for a lot of their content internationally and so they've got to start somewhere so like they won't friends right semester point assuming that that must like part of their service that they will try to sell you but it's on net flicks. I guess they're gonNA wait but theirself here that I want like I can't get. Hbo Content. Right because I did. I don't know if you know this permission. There is no. Hbo FOR ME. Too Right. Yeah right I I mean. They don't sky half their yes. We we are a now. Tv customer so we can get because like to watch John Oliver and stuff like that right but then now TV APP said a million times or they're upset absolute garbage garbage. They are so bad. The design of them is front rows design. That is design. Tv It's front row right. It is absolute garbage so bad but it's going to be content anyway. Peacock is also kind of launched as of April Fifteenth this is NBC service comcast x. One and flex customers. I don't know what that means. They can tell you and ad supported version of peacock what is comcast X. One and flex okay comcast x. One is comcast. Dvr It's their latest generation Dvr. I don't have one even though I have comcast because I have a TV show instead. But it's their it's there if ot defo defo's and the flex is their fake apple TV or fake streaming box streaming stick which is weird. But that that's the thing they've got where like no no no no I know you want to cut the cord. We'll just sell you the Internet and then you can get your TV from us on this thing. It's totally cutting the cord right. So it's there it's there like streaming buys so if you've got their hardware that they control right now you can get it. It's unclear whether as so I'm a comcast subscriber. Am I going to get a version of this between now and July fifteenth? Probably but it's unclear exactly when that will happen right now. They're basically Beta testing on people. Who are their subscribers with? Comcast controlled hardware because that is the big thing right now. She's kind of. I think it's very funny. So it's ad supported this testing and they are launching the still planned to launch in July fifteenth. That date was set because of the Olympics and Ryan picks on happening. So there's been a lot of questions like well. Why don't you just launch now? Then because you already can people wanted one do an NBC. Been also questioned bunch. And they're kind of saying like. Oh you know we're trying to who we can do. Our team is distributed right now like understandably right like it's difficult but this is the time right now to launch this project and July. We'll still be fine but now is the right time anyway. So that is that's where peacock is again just. Us FENNELL. But it's it signed to trickle out moving on. Samsung and apple a continuing their partnership apple music is now streaming on Samsung. Smart. Tv's This is the first month. Tv To apple music. And I just thought it was interesting expanding apple music further than just Amazon. I know Sonos has it but that I mean I love you Sonos. But let's not really consider that a big strategic partnership but it was the Amazon Echo products. Do it now. Apple Music is an apple and Samsung Smart. Tv's which is peculiar like I can't imagine there is a huge desire for that but it was interesting to me nonetheless of apple continuing to expand their services out of places and the you might know a bit more about this to do a wikipedia reading this morning to try to stand this story. Apple is one of the many streaming companies currently discussing the rights to collegiate sporting events. They're talking to the PAC twelve conference. Which again Inisia- is you. I am the ex. I'm actually expert on this because I'm a lifelong cal fan. And that's the PAC. Twelve conference formerly the PAC ten conference because back beyond that but anyway they're based in San Francisco There were several reports that Apple and PAC twelve officials had been talking. This is a few years before all of the College Meteorites. Come up for grabs. There's a long story here about the PAC twelve deciding not to partner with ESPN or Fox and give over ownership of their media properties. They instead own them themselves. This was a play that was intended to allow them to cash in with meteorites. Hasn't really worked out that way for them. They've actually had a hard time getting carried on direct. Tv and other places like that There's been a lot of it's very controversial. Actually in athletic and media analysis circles especially on the West Coast so this report basically says Apple's talking to them except when you really look into it. There's a there's a it's all unofficial because they have an official negotiation period with the existing right holders before it's so they're basically like a tau allowed to officially talk to only their partners until a date at which point they can talk to everybody so they can talk generally with apple but the can't like negotiate anything. There's nothing being negotiated. What is interesting about? This is that it's apple investigating sports and live sports as part of their system. Now is that Apple. Tv plus is that a different apple service. That's for live sports that competes with ESPN and and Disney. Is this a talking about it but really kind of keeping an eye toward being more like a channel on Apple? Tv that would be four pack. Twelve where you could get where you could get it now. The sports business daily report that seems to be the originator of this says that apple is not as interested or at least indicated because these are just conversations. I don't know how you have conversations with somebody during an exclusive negotiating window with someone else. I don't understand quite what the rules are their whole. Well there in San Francisco. So they're just taking their yeah. They're taking a walk. They're not allowed to do that. Wait a second show. Each other dogs so But but what the sports business daily reports suggest is that apple is not interested in talking to them about a digital tier so the idea that they would sell this many football games basketball games to ESPN and this many to Fox and then they do some streaming stuff with apple apples talking to them about everything about the whole package like we want all of it. And we're GONNA show all of it and maybe apple would be open to something like this game you know. This is a high profile game and they'll be on. Espn or something like that but maybe not. Maybe it's all just on apple and you think if you're a sports conference do you want to have your sports be an apple? Tv exclusive like you're risking losing a lot of viewers. Even if you get a lot of money out of it so that it also is a question of the scope of apples interest because we talked about a while ago. There's another rumor that after a couple of years the NFL. Sunday ticket package. Which lets you stream all of the NFL Games. No matter where you live in the US. That apple's been talking about that's currently a direct TV thing. That apple's interested in that too so it does seem to me. Like apple is doing some due diligence about sports because live. Sports is a huge draw. And it's not something that can be time shifted. Although I mean you can have sports content that can be time shifted but it also is going to draw. People live and people have these. These allegiances It's it is a a major portion of why I still have comcast and I know this sounds. Ridiculous is because of my sports allegiances right and particularly PAC twelve network is on comcast and it's not on most of the streaming channels and the ones that it is on don't have NFL network or like or MLB network. Sports is a powerful tool to get people to use your service over someone else's so apple's clearly interested here. I'm unclear what form that would take or whether anything would come out of it but something's going on here apple enough a one repub cast. He'd be turned into a TV show called the shrink next door. It's going to stall will Farrell and Paul Rudd. It's like a dark comedy based loosely on true events of the relationship between the celebrities psychiatrists and a patient. I like these two. I think that they are very good together. And I'm excited to see a comedy show featuring wolf our on again as the find an interest in the applicants buying the rights to podcasts. Tony into TV shows a apple. Call that what we do. But I I Yeah we could do. It would be great. Just give us a call and just around this out. There's a bunch of new content and not plus which is just highlight fragile. Rock DEFENDING JACOB. Beastie boys story trying to debuting have debuted last week. Will Buddy into this week. Defended JACOB WITH CHRIS. Evans has gotten pretty good reviews. And of course as we have detailed here. Before a lot of scenes shot in the park behind John Syracuse is house. So that's the one of those I'm GonNa. I'm GonNa Watch that. I want to watch trying to I have a Syracuse Park Update. Which is this. The John has confirmed now that there are numerous locations in defending Jacob where where John's dog has pooped so excellent so place to know that also. I watched home before dark which is an apple TV. Original and I'm not gonNA spend too much time on it but I did not like it and I watched sent me and said avoid so yes I I was Something I've heard from people who are like. Oh but I like it well. I watched episode one. I didn't particularly like it but I thought well I'll give episode to try and by the end of episode two I. I was convinced that I did not like it. So alas that's the first apple TV. Show that I've really disliked but if you like it great I. I couldn't take it to something. I link Bloomberg reports. Yeah you're Furman. Yeah Love and love a good love. Good report me. Love a good Gherman. This one comes from Montgomery and Debbie and Ian King Says Unusual. Three people to report this story a third person. I don't I don't recall. Ian King is very frequently named in these reports Woo I think is based in Taiwan. So I think probably has quite a lot of supply chain Sources which is probably why they was mentioned so much with gum expected they work the anyway all MACs to be on sale next year according to this report from Bloomberg they have preparing now to release one in twenty twenty one of us to follow later. Maybe maybe late because I get one. More Year of predicting the next year will be the year of our. Max has done the last like five years so great apple a currently working on three on processes for the Mac the oil based on the eighth fourteen designed to quote the report. The first of these will be much faster than the processes in the IPHONE and IPAD. People said the fuzzy might processes will have eight high performance cause code-named firestorm the nuclear basing. And at least four energy-efficient calls known internally as ice storm of is exploring processes with more than twelve calls for the for the offer in the future. People said. Apple's designs will double dribble the number of caused the Intel provides them so is the GP Spiderman. I'm referring of course to the cartoon Spiderman and his amazing friends where he had a flame buddy in ice buddy and then there was spiderman so maybe the GPS spider-man split a storm which I don't spider storm no no that's terrible that's one of the biblical plagues. I think so. The fourteen just as a point of order is the chip that is expected in the next generation of iphones. That comes this fall so the idea here. Is that apple's doing a new processor. That is their processor for fall of two thousand twenty or as we you know. I don't know. And then for the spring of Twenty twenty two numerals. Twenty twenty one used to be known And I think this really makes sense right. This is there. We're going into production. I think the story said that they were doing a test. A prototype based on the twelve acts that the designs but this is the one where they're like. Okay now we're just GONNA fall on. There's going to be an aid for a fourteen family essentially whether they're called that or not and it's GonNa power presumably IPHONES IPADS and our Max. And they're going to have to build their own. Gpo for this and like they do essentially for the iphone stuff. And it's I don't know it sounds the sounds real. This sounds like it's a done deal. This is what apple is doing next. This is why you know. In my opinion the Bloomberg reports earn potent. Like we've been talking about this forever. They've been talking about server but a Gherman report a mall come. Report is usually an indication of something. Happening right yeah. He has a track record. So well when you see this stuff is like here is. We've been talking about as RAV seem rumors about for a while. But here's some like pinpoint details which are important right like the idea that they would do. This in two thousand eighteen is a test. That is an important thing to know the fact that they're like the fourteen design is going to become a platform essentially which the iphone will get than the IPAD will. And then a Mac will get and there's also a detail in the report the alike in parallel processes already begun to make Mac versions of the twenty twenty one a series of chips which I guess suggests that it is possible that there will be yearly chip provision to every laptop and every apple computer that is produced from the iphones being way up to whatever in the future with the idea being references report. We spoke about it forever. Apple is fed up of being tied to other people relying on them and their schedules right. Yeah so this is. This is the we already see the iphone and the IPAD more or less marching in lockstep. The current IPAD PRO is a little bit weird where they're using that older version but I think with variations like that happened from time to time. I think this is the idea. Right is apple is going to do a new chip family design every year and then they'll use those chips in all of their products or at least gives them the opportunity to because like you said don't do the they do like every eighteen months or two years. They'll do it once. This is rolling. What you get. Is You get the a twelve or fourteen based stuff and it rolls out to some computers and then you do the fifteen based stuff and it rolls out to some computers but maybe there are also some low price. Computers that are using the fourteen at that point. That our Max like once you once you start rolling out and you've got a chip family every year it does allow them to dip back and say we're going to actually make this with the slower chip from a past year that we built but it keeps it. They control the cadence today. Control the cycle. They know that this is GonNa this stuff just like their os releases. This is going to go into this year. And we're going to push that off to next year and they they start building them and this is important. They start building with a computer in mind. I don't think you can just take a twelve x and stick it in a an MAC prototype right they. They made a chip based on the a twelve ax. So you need to go into the design of the chips knowing where it's going right knowing what your target systems are so I think this is the reason that this seems like the most definitive report yet is it. Sounds like Mark Gherman sources and maybe w sources the king sources. We don't know mark as the one who's famous for having these sources but Bloomberg's sources suggest very strongly that this is happening now. They've done the work or are doing the work in building these fourteen based chips and they've done it with all of those in mind with the MAC in mind as well. So all of these ships Apparently going to be made at Taiwan semiconductor on a five nanometer process. Showing off. Now yeah I understand. That's a good thing I know from from the people that I know like listen to ATP. And talking with Austin Austin Evans. Mycosis drivers like the small of the number. The better the chip. You WanNa keep making that nanometer process smaller and smaller and you mentioned about. Gpu's Montgomery followed up tweet. So as important of Rita's tweets yes. Sometimes the stuff in the tweets. It's not in the articles that apple is working on its own. Gp US for this. Of course because I think what you mentioned kind of have to probably of what is your kind of the same situation right right. I'm sure they could use a an external gp from somebody but first off a stop doing out on the IPHONE and the ipad. A long time ago and And second your then behold into some other chipmaker for something that you probably don't WanNa be and I'm sure they're pretty proud of their GPO performance already integrated into their system on a chip. So why would they? Why would they change from that the next week on this show We're GONNA be joined by Montgomery Gum. Yeah let's just get Gherman on. We'll talk you're not. Let's do it. So Mocks GonNa join us for a segment on the show next week where I want to cover a couple of things of him. I WanNa talk a little bit about. Meta stuff about the articles that he produces but I also WANNA see like. This is a good time to talk to market. Think and see what he thinks is going to be important for apple over the next six months because we are building to the time right like we are a month away probably maybe nearly from WBZ stuff starting to ramp up now so yeah we'd have them on the show next week and we can talk about it and a lot more detail with the man knows stuff. Yeah I think so. It's a good conversation. I've I've enjoyed talking to mark all at at like apple events and stuff so it'll be fun to have him on the show so you know what about on Max. I'm starting to get like excited about this. 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But I don't have this keyboard in the eleven inch eleven shop at probe the IPAD. I usually travel so. I'm not using it right now so I didn't get more. Maybe at some point in the future I will get that keyboard but it's not in my immediate future because I'm not using the IPAD so you wrote a great review. Think your spoiler alert. We both really love this product and because again like I don't think that it is a surprise. People have listened to this. Show that me and Jason would really love a two in one convertible IPAD. Right are the target audience for this in a way so much so in fact that we are the people who sought out alternatives to this in a dance right the bridge keyboard being a great example. That is a that is a product for people who even though apple doesn't didn't want you to use your ipad fully like laptop that you could do it if you bought the bridge keyboard. It suddenly became the shape of a laptop. Felt like a laptop and So we were already there so this is I think this is one of the things that I've noticed in a lot of the coverage of this is this is am. I said my review. This is a part of apple's product line for IPAD pro. It's one of the accessories they also still make. And I think we'll still keep making the smart keyboard. Folio has a because this is too expensive of this heavy and a lot of people. Just don't need this product now you and I look at this and we're like this is perfect for us but I also see people who really liked the smart keyboard or like. Don't really use the keyboard a lot but the smart keyboard folio is like. It's around if they need it and it's it's convenient enough that they're not gonNA just go down to the the folio case they're going to. They're they WANNA have that keyboard around if you're used to that and you have an especially if it's sorta like barely useful for you already. This product is irrelevant for you. Because you know you aren't even convinced about the smart keyboard or you like the smart keyboard. Just find that fits this is. It's like a spectrum of your down with the folio case and then you move on to kind of the smart keyboard folio and then you move to the magic keyboard and It's not for everybody but For you and me Mike. It is absolutely we were already chasing this with third party. Stuff that That didn't do quite the job that this does because again this is the first part product like apple gets the advantage of designing all the hardware and software around their concept like one of the things that we both gravitated towards the Bridge. Keyboard was the fact that it enabled flexibility in the angle. Right like a laptop hinge. Yes the Smart Keyboard. Folio had to fixed positions which was less adaptable. The bridge keyboard has more that ability. Then the magic bullet because you could basically open up. Flap right like arrived top. What do you think about the available angles that you have with the magic keyboard type? I will say apple. Hasn't made a laptop. You could lay flat in a long time. I think maybe the titanium powerbook was closed slightly. You can open. You can open it pretty wide and this this one. You can't and I I my my gut feeling is that in most scenarios especially when I'm writing and I'm using it in my lap that the eye open it fully and that's the right angle and I could use a little bit more. Actually that it won't give me given the the feeling you can actually feel the weight distribution on your lap when you're using it roll toward the back like it doesn't tip over backward but it rolls toward the back a little bit and to me that says any more any further back in it's going to tip over like it's outside the realm of safety so when I when I adjusted all the way out I would like to make it a little bit more and it's disappointing but I get why it's not because as with so many things. This keyboard is engineered exactly like you can tell all of these. Decisions were made in order to get to be what it was and that if they pushed it a little more it would all unravel very very carefully. Yeah it very carefully done so I have rarely found a use for lower angles than that. I generally just opened up in one. Go all the way to the full angle. There was one occasion where I was kind of like laying down on the bed and I was watching a video and I. I didn't take it out of the case which I probably should have done but I just sort of tilted it down and I did it that way and it's great that that flexibility is there. You can actually tilted all the way back so it's facing toward the keyboard like so you can't see it at all. You can do that if you really want to. But but yeah it. It works for me. I wish it was a little bit more but again I can't speak to the eleven which my understanding doesn't Quite open as much so I feel pretty much the same. I would love it to be a little more to because I always want more but I am really pleased about the fact that I have completely flexible adjustability within the angles that it provides so I can move a little bit if I want to and I have found that like if I'm on if I'm sitting on the couch I will have a different angle than if sitting at my desk. I do move it and I'd like the I have the freedom of moving it to exactly what I want rather than just within two areas but I would like more. I would love to see in the future Ed right like revisions on the design that allow for more flexibility than what we currently have just because why not. That's what I would want in a in aversion to this product but I am happy with what I've got but again a love more. Do you have used it. In a lot of instances on the couch if he does do you feel like it remains balanced like laptop. Yeah I do more or less I mean like I said I think I think I feel like there's a little bit of a rolling toward the back again. It doesn't ever leave my lab but I can tell I can tell that the weight on the on the The flat surface the perpendicular. Typing surface is a little bit toward the back which it is but it seems very stable to me. I don't I it. It seemed quite pleasant. It's different feeling than like the bridge or like a laptop but that's mostly due to the fact that they've got this double hinged thing where it's for the screen which is the IPAD is closer to you then a laptop screen would be 'cause a normal laptop hinges all the way at the back and that's where the tilt is and then so the screen is all the way back and this one it pops up and then it angles in And so you end up being a little bit closer to it. Yeah and so like I feel like when I'm using it on softer surfaces. Say right like if I'm sitting down accountant down on a chair on the bed or whatever it's somewhere in between the smart keyboard folio and a laptop in like how balanced it feels right like sags exactly the same as a laptop because it is way it differently right this way in the top provin and on the bottom right. I'd say I'd say it's top heavy and I mean even the bridge doesn't quite feel like a laptop because the screen part is so much heavier than a laptop screen is but it's I feel like this is. This is much closer right because it is heavy. It's I find it kind of like one of those marvel of engineering things. Something is so thin but it's so heavy it's very peculiar to me like the Denisova. I'm getting my head around. I've been waiting for and haven't seen a ted down. I want someone down because I want to see what it looks like inside. Yeah for it's it's an interesting product. It is engineered differently to do the same thing that makes any sense like it really is. I mentioned this in the review. It really is a laptop like you put the. I pat on this thing. It's just a laptop. We talk a lot about the two hinges but in practice when I use it I opened it up and I opened. I moved through both hinges. Just moves smoothly open and then it looks like a laptop when you're typing on even though it's floating over the keyboard a little bit from your position looking down at it it just looks like a laptop it. It does everything like a laptop does and then. When you're done you can go grab it on the back and full down and it closes again. Yes there are two hinges there but it just closes like laptop and then you carry it around like a laptop so they've done a lot of very weird things in order to get it to be that way but the end result is it doesn't feel like Whoa. I'm using a strange thing. That's kind of a laptop but not for me. At least it's not in the UNCANNY valley where it doesn't seem like a laptop or an ipad anymore. It's in between. I think kind of nailed the laptop feel of it is an IOS laptop when you're using IT IPAD s laptop part of the laptop missive. It and it's funny like most of the conversations. I hear about it most conversations. I have barely talk about that true keys on the keyboard right. Because there's so much other stuff going on and we've had we've had keys. We've had keyboards for the IPAD forever. We've had third party keyboards for the IPAD including the bridge keyboard. It's less novel to have those keys right the keys although on an apple product it's new It's not that novel and their their case. They're good they're they're they're good they`re. I think that's part of it right so much of the keyboard discussion in our community over the last few years. It's been around. How bad keyboard is. This keyboard is perfectly good. Like it's it's great like in as as good as a keyboard in as good as a keyboard can be so. I think that's why I haven't been focusing on it so much but it feels really nice. It's I prefer to the smart keyboard. I prefer to the laptop keyboards I've used recently. Like is close to the sixteen in the way that it feels like that keyboard in the same way that it was like. This is a keyboard rather than I don't know how I feel about this. With the of a match prose right I feel like it. Just fades away. It is reminiscent of the of the sixteen and and the new macbook air keyboard. It is reminiscent of the old like my beloved old eleven inch macbook Air Keyboard. I actually took the eleven Mac book air out and Held it up right next to this thing and the two things I noted this is the eleven share by the way. Remember that the old eleven and share the favorite. Yes the old favorite. The air is wider than this thing is. It's not as tall but it's wider. The keyboard is exactly the same size as a full size keyboard which is a little bit scrunched on the eleven inch model. But here it's the full-sized thing and you know wasted pounds so as more weight and size or an issue. Look at the eleven. Although I'm interested in the fact that I've heard a lot of people who are the eleven eleven users who seem again it's just anecdotes. I don't know what the long term story is going to be and I haven't seen it but the eleven inch users seem a little less charmed by it than the twelve point nine users and I wonder if it's just not quite as nice because it's smaller but it certainly lighter Anyway but my point is I look at that eleven air and I look at this keyboard and they're very close and they're not quite the same but they're very close and that's Nice Except they're lacking the this lacks. The function ro Which on the air is these little tiny like quarter height third height keys. But they're there for you to adjust brightness volume and stuff and I know I can see why they didn't put him on this because you You reach that high up and your fingers are going to start to hit the IPAD. That's hanging over because there I that's basically hanging over the number row so there isn't any room. It is balanced on the head of the pin of a pin again. Like I said everything here has a reason for being what it is but I am frustrated. That apple did not do a tweak and software to allow us to assign Some sort of keyboard adjustment for those common things. Like back lighting and screen light and media controls like all they would have had to do is add a a function key to the like Options that you could re map those various keys too so I can take the globe key and turn it into a function key and then use that with the the number wrote to control stuff. They could have done something like that. Maybe they will. And I pat O. S. fourteen. I hope they do. I feel like this is a feature to come. Yeah it does. It feels like that. It just didn't make it this time. But that's that's the missing piece here is they? Don't need to do a function row. They really don't but I would like the ability to change my screen brightness and my and my back lighting on my keyboard from the keyboard I would like that. Yeah the Kibo by Clinton thing is I cannot unfortunate situation like. This is just one of those things that didn't make it like the fact that you can only adjust in settings should being control center like some reason. It just didn't make it into control center. Shouli will because it's a really silly thing that you have to dig so deep to get it right like it just seems funny to me a something you mentioned in your review which is something I am totally doing is still touching the screen sometimes and using grain as well as the track pat. I mean this is the the the the benefit and one of the features of a touch screen laptop right like you hear all the time from windows uses. Pc's have touchscreen laptops. It's nice to have the option because sometimes you just go onto coupe. You'll thumb. Yeah why not? Yeah that that that's it is I get why it kind of breaks apart on the Mac because the touch targets. Aren't there but having used a chromebook for a while that had a touchscreen. I didn't manipulate the interface on that thing with my with my hands. I use the track pad but there are times where you're like. I'm just going to scroll and you reach out and you scroll and it's perfectly natural and your hands are not down on the keyboard when they're down on the keyboard the track pad makes more sense but when you're not actively using the keyboard right at that moment and you see something and you just kind of flip it up with your finger like that. That's great in fact. I found this thing. I don't know if you've done this where I immediately started just not even thinking about it grabbing the bottom right corner of the ipod which that bottom part of it doesn't have anything on it. It's not the case isn't on that it's come away from that part with the double hinge and putting my sort of fingers behind the IPAD and then my thumb on the front of the IPAD. So I'm I'm kind of pinching it. I'm Kinda grabbing the IPAD. And then I'm I'm flicking with my thumb. Scroll a document. I do that all the time now since I started using this thing. It's a very natural kind of gesture I'm holding the IPAD a little bit and I'm and I'm just kind of scrolling document and I'm not down on the keys at that point so that's fine whereas in another context when I'm writing and my hands are down on the keyboard and then I'll I'll move with two fingers and I'll do a little bit of a scroll to move the document and that also is natural so you use both. I am using all of it right. I is even. I find it really nice to use the Apple Pencil. Still to do some squally stuff like that like it will work really really nicely and I like the I have options. This is my favorite thing about this options. I want options and talk a little bit more about the options. The I like available to me in a bit. Everyone's talking about the white right. That's the thing that is the the GOTCHA headline. Oh it's just as heavy as a laptop points point. It's a laptop it's a lap ways. It weighs like a laptop because it's a laptop. Yeah and if you and you want to use an IPAD device like a laptop and you get this and then it's the weight of a laptop. This is for those of us. Things like the bridge. Keyword this is not surprising. This is how it works. Like if you're GonNa have something like this that has to counterbalance the way to the IPAD and has to have. Have you know full keys and attract pad and all of that like it's going away like a laptop ways that's just how it's going to be and so it weighs about with ours about the thirteen inch macbook pro ways and that is of course it. Does I think behind some of that criticism. Is this chauvinism about the MAC. That implied in the criticism is basically. Look the only reason you use an IPAD is because it's lighter than a MAC if they're the same way you would just use a MAC right like why the the the ipad is obviously inferior to the Mac and the only reason you could possibly use it is that it offers something that the MAC lax but don't put that back so that they're the same it's pointless if they're if they're if it's an AB comparison where they weigh the same and they're right in front of you. Why would you ever pick an IPAD? That is what is implicit criticism. And the answer is two-fold which is it's one but I like the IPAD and I want to use the IPAD. Even in that scenario I find value in the IPAD and two is also. I can immediately just lifted off and walk away with a touch tablet. I can't do that with a Mac. And that's one of the things that makes it so great right like yeah and it is funny that it there is the idea that like. Why would you would never right like you would never use a Mac if it had you know? You only have an IPAD if it has these specific advantages. You'd never use it over a Mac because you wanted to know how it walks that that's the that's the sign that somebody doesn't doesn't get it is they have decided that the ipad is a lesser beast that is compromised and that you only use it because it offers something that is not available elsewhere and that's their world view and then you challenge them with this and they don't they just don't get it and then. There are two ways to respond in one way to respond to say. Wow that's really interesting. Why do you prefer the IPAD? And the other way to respond is just use a Mac. Those people are jerks. I five years ago. They weren't jerks three years ago. They weren't jerks at this point. If you're still asking that question leading a life that's that unexamined and not being curious about somebody's choice to do something different from you but just think that doesn't make any sense. I have lost patience with those people now about being different. Should we talk about my my set up right now? Mike. I'm doing we. Is this the thing you tweeted because we really need to know about it? Yeah Yeah so Listening to this show no the I have been using a stand my desk the clear look stand for a long time you use the what is it called. I think horizon. It's not as what is the name of. You'll stand the little adjustable Visayas on Stan. Yes so I was using this stand for awhile and then when I got the magic keyboard singers. I don't WanNa keep taking out the magic keyboard putting in the stands. It's frustrating to me so then I thought well actually. This is just a laptop right so why not use a laptop stand because they exist stands for laptops and so then a never need to take you out of the magic keyboard case and I have a standard is easy to use. Got A client in every time down right. Just please allow me to go through this okay. Because when I'm sitting at my desk to work I want to use my have pro and I wanNA use a keyboard and an external mouse because it's more comfortable for me for me just because I don't. My Buddy doesn't survive very well using laptops on desks. The shirt right like I need to expand ALBA screen. I high sitting up straight keyboard in front of me likes most bodies. Your body does not term offer. Some hope we don't have these problems right like th they. Can they find out what to do even though again really? Just think about your economics. If your home we spoke we have a sponsor fully. They're ready gophers. But if you don't use something like that plays be mindful of this so I was talking about this Listener at Thomas. Sent me a link to something called the roost which is like a collapsible laptop stand which is good but not perfect because the height that. I want the angle I want because this thing kind of forces an angle and I won't have it go back a bit further. Because the ipod won't screen won't go back further and us of kind of elevated the front feet so if you look at that image you see that the front feet of the roost stand. I'm using is sitting on top of another keyboard which just just the situation that I'm in and so I've tried that out and then Another listener linked to me a product called the new-look stand which looks bananas. Amazing vary adjustable. So I'm getting one of these is on the way trying different stands. Wow It is worth just prefacing all of this including the setup that you're seeing is this is all temporary. I was supposed to be in a studio that has vase arms with laptop stance on. But I can't be there so I'm having to set up like this is like my like Anna. My temporary workspace temporary. Yeah I WANNA point out the key thing that you've said so far key thing is you seem to always want your ipad pro in the case. I just don't WanNa keep taking out and putting in something else now. Because they don't need to like before I had to there wasn't a stand that could hold and also hold the smart people like nothing would work for that. I'm just differentiating because like I think this is a real difference in how people use their ipad. Even like we said we are the same. We really want this product. We are the same. This is a way where we're very different. I have my ipad in a keyboard case historically and they probably will go up because of this product but like five percent of the time two percent of the time. Not when when. I'm traveling which I'm not doing right now as we all aren't and when I'm writing I put it in the case but the rest of the time it's either no case or it's the folio so it's nothing you seem to view this ipads default state as having a keyboard attached. Yes so that's the difference But that's just kind of how I you know. I live very frequently. We'll take my ipad out but most of the time it's always connected to a cable of some kind. That's just my default for IPAD and with the magic keyboard. I prefer it to the bridge keyboard or the smart keyboard. So I'm finding myself using it like that more The bridge keyboard. I could've done this with I guess but never had thought of putting in a laptop. Stan would just take it out point I could've done this for a long time ago but didn't think about it but this this I like it more just like this whole set up more I will mention because people will ask keyboarding. Museums take raise it as a split keyboard. It has edgy. And it's amazing. I frigging love cable. So much That's just may also using a Logitech track ball an Ergonomic trackball and magic track pad to all connected. This is what I love about the IPAD. Right like Federico Talks about this about like modular. I just love the all the all the equipment that can do everything with this now and it makes me very happy I'd like now. I have the posture charging because my keyboard is it needs a USB ultimately. I need to use an Odongo for this is just some point. I'm going to get a USB DOC to help right so I'm gonNA stuff but now I can charge at the same time which I really really like a lot. I got the Brown key. Switches people asked me to keep switches. Go but so. I am aware that posting a picture like this. I'm doing two things I want to show people like how I'm using. I am also kind of doing this to to Annoy. People find this stuff ridiculous. Yeah but at the same time. I get a lot of people who are like in on this too right like that. This is what they want their computing life to be these like the options that I feel that this device can give and I want to share the way. I'm using this device because I know I'm out in the edge cases now but I think it's amazing that my i-ipad can do all of this and I can use it the way that I want to I think is frigging awesome and I can't wait to to keep pushing it. I love it. It's so awesome. I love it. Yeah so I wanted to mention the that you use it in the case all the time. 'cause I get that you want to keep it in the case all the time and not remove it and then put it in a stand and then take it back out and put it back on this even though that's very easy to do That said that was my initial reaction to this is might just take it out and put it in a stand. It's it's going to be better. You don't have to have a laptop Stan. You'RE NOT GONNA type on the laptop stand you're just GonNa let it sit there so why not remove the IPAD and put it on a stand? I think it would look less ridiculous. I don't know how it looks. Yeah I know I'm just I think it would look less ridiculous and it would probably be better suited to the task. You could get the screen a little bit closer to your face but you know you do you and I do understand why the day it's the thing. I am restricted by screen distance by my keyboard. That's true but this is GonNa this restricts it even further right. This puts the screen even further away from you. Yeah but I think when I'm using in a stand it doesn't feel like it's far away. All right I just for me. I look at this and I think I saw. We've talked about flexibility for me. The beauty of the IPAD is that mostly. It's just on its own and then I'll add it to. The keyboard added to a doc when I want to work in that configuration. But I see where you're coming from here which is as far as you're concerned. The default configuration of your ipad is in this case. And so why take it out? If you don't have to and I get that that's just not how I use it like. It may be that in a few months time saying I WANNA just put it in there when I want but like right now like no. This is what I want. I want the default to be in like this is like a laptop now that is the default and then move for and see what. That's like. Okay I've ever happy so far because I found myself even sometimes just like I would just use the pattern on the laptop. I don't know why it's just what I WANNA do in the same way of like you've got it in the case on the screen so like I. I am enjoying this experience. So far. I'll keep pushing it and see where I think not enough is being made of the fact that you in addition to Apple Pencil and a touchscreen and attract pad have to other pointing devices on on your table. I think that's an important point to us. How good can you know what if you could put your welcome tablet and attach it child? Work I will. Would you would do that. You'd have all all the input devices because right now I have a way Karma Magic track pad and a Logitech vertical mouse. Yes e because it's so it's you it's you you like choices says. I if there's one thing I love of my computers at his choices I get to make choices like even just using the ipad the way that I do for as much as I use it for is just a choice that I make that I enjoy. Where like right now? I have a Logitech Webcam piped-in type attached to my Mac. Because I like to choice. That one's better than the one built into my Mac. I kind of have me the thing that makes people want to build. Pc's like I have that in. May you know that is like that choice mentality which doesn't always fly with being a fan of apple products but I feel like as a devoted IPAD per user? I get to make more which choices the moment than Immaculata would I get to the super weird with my device and do like strange things like what I'm doing right now but it brings me joy to do that. Like I have a very weird computer setup. I have a split keyboard. Aluminium that was odd. Gp Right That plugged in via USB. See Split cable to Odongo. That's regular beat to go into my IPAD and that's how I type right. It's like an amusing trackball. Everyone else is using the Amex Mazda or a track pad and unlike Nana. I'm going to use a track ball. I love it and then I got my apple. Pencil scrolling with the Apple pennsyl-. I'm just this. We only the only thing you're missing here is the the full. Vitucci of of having it be an external screen. That's mirrored that you're driving with. There's a screen behind a as soon as I want. I want it to be more than what it currently is like. Did the these external display support? Yeah I won. A second screen agree and when they do that. You can bet your bottom dollar. That's what I'll be doing. Magic keyboard is amazing. Your Beta testing all of this stuff for back in your studio to right. That's all we have had this chance to experiment This is all very experimental the year. This is an excellent job. Trolling twitter just good job. Good job you've got slack. I'm controlling people with my actual real life choices. Which makes it even more fun right. This magic discussion up okay effectively. Why should you buy it? You should already my feeling. I just want to say that you should already know. You want this product before you don't buy this three hundred dollar keyboard on a lock because it's not what else full. I mean you can return it. If you don't like it and you could do that. You can try it if you're curious. I. It's a shame that there aren't stores open so you could go in and try it at the store. But you know you really. You should have some inkling that using an IPAD as laptop is a thing that you you should you actually might WanNa do. Yeah like you probably know you. Are this type of person right like the that would want this product thereof options small keyboard keyboards. The ogsm bridge keyboard is still great option. Get tracked by the mouse and you'll be happy. Yeah there are lots. I've talked to a few people where I've said if your primary use case is at a table or desk and you don't anticipate using this as a laptop don't get this This is a laptop shape the world. You've got one now. The world is full of accessories that try to make laptops more organic four desktop. The beauty of the IPAD is. It's not a laptop. It can become a laptop it can also be put in a stand with an external keyboard and and track pad and be a much more. Ergonomic match for a desk. So only get this if you're planning on using it like laptop if you're planning on using a desktop. Don't spend the money on this. Get a get a stand and a keyboard that you probably already own and a track pad. You may already own and do it that way instead on. Wrap this up with a quote from the end of your view which. I like a lot Apple now sells to more laptops and eleven inch model. It starts at one thousand nine hundred dollars and a twelve point nine inch model of it starts at one thousand. Three hundred and forty eight dollars does a pro laptop prices but guess the IPAD pro is a pro laptop. Now if when you want it to be beautiful. Jason have really sums it up for me. Soldiers that out in the backyard sitting under my redwood tree with the using the IPAD pro laptop. Yeah it is. This comes back to the thing about the weighing like a laptop like judge this as a laptop. I mean there's mitigating circumstance which is if you've got a two thousand eighteen. I've had pro. You don't actually have to buy the IPAD again. You just have to buy the The the keyboard so that's good but in reality like judge this as a laptop. Do you want an IPAD that can also be a laptop? You will pay laptop prices. It will weigh like a laptop does because you're making your ipad into a laptop. It doesn't have to stay there you can. You can take the IPAD out. That's great and if this is overkill for you guess what apple makes another keyboard. That's lighter and thinner. It's not as not as Nice but it's still nice. There are third parties. Like that's the beauty of this is when apple makes a laptop like we know for the. Butterfly Keyboard thing. You're kind of stuck right Mike. You get what they give you and if you don't like it too bad that's not entirely true with the ipad because apple is giving you more choices. Imagine if apple made two different keyboards for the macbook line right. We could choose a magic keyboard or a butterfly keyboard like but they don't do that but they do that. For the IPAD. You choose or or no keyboard. Bring Your Own Keyboard B. Y. O. K. A. M. Was that sure you're on cable. The mouse don't display keyboard. And now but you can bring your on display to the IPAD to. 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I've been getting real good use out of the noise cancelling recently to be. Tom And I would miss those desperately which I think says something interesting that I can't put my finger on like why I feel that way. I think part of it is like I really do feel like I it. It would frustrate me in a bunch of ways but I could live with the iphone. Se especially now this new one. The old one might have been a bit more difficult But I really really love my putts pro but if you were on a public transit every day Back in the old times I mean. That's the thing is right now. We're also not out and about very much law because like things are going on in my house. I don't want to have to listen to sure. Okay Not GonNa ask more about that but this conversations and then it's like I wanna Foco. Yeah you know I'm using I'm using them to. I'm just saying that that our phones are not necessarily the most important product at the moment compared to some other scenario but I still have a phone. And I'm not as attached to my iphone as I am too many other computing devices. And I really love the air pods pro so I would. I would keep them regardless. Eric says I currently travel with just at the where Eric Traveling. But this was as recent question are only travel with Justin Lebanon. Chai pro small folio carry a magic keyboard. I want to add a pointing device to my set up a magic mouse enough or should I spring for a magic transparent apple tooth mouse. Think if you if you want to stick with this device if for some reason you don't want to move to a magic keyboard and you do sound like a Magic Kibo person but if you don't want to I would recommend the magic track pan. I think it's the best experience out of all three options for sure host the magic mouse. I hate that mouse is uncomfortable and I don't know why anybody uses it a regular booth mouse. You can get work view in some ways but the the magic track pad I think is the best for for using tripod. Simple IOS yeah. I don't use mice at all so I can't really help you there. The measure track. That support is great and I agree. It's worth considering if you want to travel with. The magic keyboard drive had pro but failing that and you already have a magic keyboard and you already have smart folio I would. I would see if a magic track pad to would work for you because that might be the nicest thing you've got to have enough room for it right. You have put it next to that keyboard. But I think that's going to be a pretty nice experience. Benjamin I gotTa Kindo ACIS and I cannot find a group that I like. The Ridge isn't sharp but it's not smooth. My fingers constantly feel it but pulling them back to just a thick aside doesn't feel stable for me. Jason How do you hold your Kindle Oasis? I you know I hold it between my thumb and my other fingers are like I was describing for the IPAD pro on the the smart on the magic keyboard and I I actually keep my fingers resting on the next page button and I just keep clicking it as I read and it doesn't it doesn't bother me at all and then I'll flip it to the other hand and read without hand sometimes and then move it back and it's just not that big a deal so I don't know if I've got any any great advice here. You could try you try a case you lose some of the thinness that way. I do case that I travel with or you could try a pop. Suck it up. Suck on my kindle Isis which I've used very sporadically but I find that very comfortable way to hold that device. It's perfectly gave us siddharth says I was reading a call about how advertising has been affected significantly by covert nineteen and it got me worried about independent podcasting which is so heavily at supported. Do you have any thoughts on how this affects the ecosystem as a whole? This is a very interesting subject. Obviously to me and Jason a couple of things which are interesting to me so the trends will tell you that podcasting is down right but a lot of day. I've seen that. There are certain areas where isn't technology podcasting has remained incredibly stable. People are still listening to these types of shows shows the illicit in the technology category. So thank you for continuing to listen. I mean I would say about you. Jason with the incomparable. But I haven't seen any significant downturn in listenership right now not really know it seems to be unchanged. The advertising stuff is difficult They're all going to be changes. I think as time goes on like budgets are being frozen and being reassessed so I would suggest if you enjoy independent podcasting now would be a really the time to look into membership programs that you could support like for example. If you look in our show notes you will find a link to support upgrade. We can go to really finish upgrade and you can become a member. There's lots of wonderful benefits for that. And if you support upgrades support this show will show. But that's kind of where I think we all like. It is going to affect it. I don't know how much it's going to affect it. Time will tell I just wanted to point to Marco's post about overcast. Basically Marco arment looked at this and said that the weekday peaks are down weekend listening is largely unchanged and overall. He's got an earlier audience than the mainstream gets audience. But they're down but not as much as you'd think. I think that that matches the anecdotes that I've heard where I've heard from people who have lost all their podcast time because they're not commuting anymore and I've heard from other people who are desperate for more podcasts. 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"To the essential workers when we were all banging pots and pans on saturday morning and screaming. That was not for you. i am this week. It's going to be wild about wilde. This is now in iowa. Guffawed wasp cast as what raise Bianca's back everybody. She went to new york. She saw at live film. She had the record. Whatever broadcasts had the same response. Everybody has which is like. It's so fucking cool in person. It's so cool. it's so small. I can't believe how big i thought it was. Yup can't believe the area that the the musicians do their thing. It's so small if you go wide if you go low angle and why it looks maf- low angle and wide is what the it was really cool and very nice there. It was a nice experience going there. It was amazing having joe biden Become the president-elect in new york That is really cool. I don't know why the no it's just. It's a pedestrian city. Yes so everyone was just every corner covert is it promised not to infect anybody that was celebrating joe biden so thanks kovic i was in a highrise it hanging of huts. Yeah i i woke up to parts. And i all right. Here's what happened to people's shouting and banging pots and pans. But you're in venison her biden one or there's a bird box happening we're in the middle of a bird bucks because that's what happened is nuts crashing cars. It was fucking and then i cried a little bit. I was a little emotional. Yeah it was something about so we're watching it. And then they got the numbers in from they gotta update number from pennsylvania. And then all of a sudden like watching cnn for that long and msnbc toggle between them and fox and then all of a sudden president-elect cnn rejection you like what is this a graphics just like your views and all of a sudden. I'm like i don't know we were debating. What is this new graphic on the screen and then we opened the window and it was just. That high-rise may screen made me so upset. I was so upset. No no because it's just targeting. People are united and that there's not even patriotic. It's like something this this energy. We're all kind of on the same energy at the same time. Yeah and all the and it's an. It's nice that that he law. That trump lost yeah. We talk about the specifics in a second. But it's you almost couldn't believe the way we have gotten some the trump information for four years and almost feels like everyone driven like really. This guy is terrible. It's right but that's the yeah. It's the trump ecosystem of the trump social media. Tv argument very strong is an so stressful. I think it's stressful for everybody right. But it's weirdly effective in terms of making him appear more popular than is not just really didn't know he lost five right but there's a chance if he didn't lose the popular vote. I wouldn't be surprised. Well of course. That's what i bet. Trayvon shouted trayvon and roy. We'll get to them. I want to say the whole time. I have stayed steady since january. Saying trump's gonna lose i have but i i yes again you were. You were technically. It's not he. Should you hope he loses. No i really just felt like you know what's the biggest flag. The giant biden flags flying around. I see giant trump flags. I see so much more li- demonstrations from goes so but it makes it starts making. There's everyone's a trump supporter. Because if you in a few friends. And i just feel like as a whole we don't were not giving credit to how many people are in the middle. How many people aren't die hard for anybody. I think we giving credit. I think no. I mean in january. I felt like hey people like he's in january he was gonna win without covert. He wins by seven million votes. Yeah i think we were talking around when he needed soleimani. And that's what we're talking about. 'cause we because everyone power january the guy twenty twenty you had to be january. Nice james referred you man. You're really good with dates with the end. I don't know what happened but when we were talking about. Because everyone's like he's everyone was tagging him and so people like everyone's gonna forget. No one cares just forgot totally. Didn't know thought it was last year. I would if without kobe. He would have won by so much. So you were wrong in january. Now you're wrong okay. You're right technically now with your january information. Here's the here's the thing that we need to talk about of all paul. The thing that i bet trayvon was because i was watching the polls going. They're fucking wrong. These polls are wrong. No one's gonna say they're voting for trump saying. Do you like cocaine. you cannot say yes. It's like when people go in comics. How many people here watch porn. Nobody applause and billion dollar industry. No one's going to admit to it. And i also think trump voters consider any pollster or news person or media person the enemy. So they will just lie. They'll lie intentionally. I think someone. Why intentionally and i think some of them lie because they don't want to seem like a bad person. It's funny at the store some a lot of times especially in the last four years people commerce. We'll get on stage and say anybody you're over. Trump is let me see trump supporters. And i've seen so many tables that look at each other and they go. Yeah sometimes i want to be like no one wants to especially in california of course and certainly not until you don't want to say it in public you'll say it behind closed doors but so that was my the polls were wrong and people will claim it's like saying it's it's like asking somebody like. Hey what are you like. Instead of their fucking behavior voting is behavior polling is. What do you want me to believe you are so when it comes to trump. They're never going to get right ever. I was reminded on al franken. The washington post said that buying was going to win wisconsin by seventeen points on monday the day before the election. He's up by seventeen points and he won by like one percent. So i'm not saying there. They were wrong wrong in their but their long there. And that's the whole thing. They were wrong in terms. They were wrong and specific races and they were wrong into like the fucking jamie harrison wasn't close a lot of these. Were not close and they who do you want. You wanna vote for the other down valid. Yeah just a lot of the senate race weren't susan collins. One a lot of that word. That weren't supposed to win according to polls so won't be they'd fucking. I do argue with trayvon for so long for goes. You're right there way off. Like he was no. This is because he was telling me. He's friends with a lot of pollsters and this year. They've corrected all their problems. And i was like dude ranjit to find out again. I go i go train. you have something called premier. Itis you ever go to a movie premiere. Best movie ever saying. Oh that's it and then you and then you it opens and people like that movie send you like. It was pretty good the permit. You wanna believe it's good. Yeah every time. I've seen a movie for free. It's amazing moguls to fill megan on this thing live. You can't believe the way they rolled camera mean meanwhile last Last neal went to was what was it both both. Thank you like aids. So i think i would also but both finger really something bad though fingers my favorite. I love the So so you why you can't. I'm not saying you can never trust. Polls but why. Why trust them. They have him nationally. It's like going yet My friends gonna die. You're gonna die of brain cancer. And then he gets hit by a truck and you go. I said he was gonna die like no you. You told me he was going to win a very specific way based on the people. You'd ask corrupt it's not even corrupt in a they're in it for the man 'cause plenty of states had trump winning and he did so. I don't think that they're always the wrong word in formula. It's astrology it's basically take. What three thousand project. Thirty thousand people make so. It's we just. I don't think it's that big of a deal. It's more like we have to stop. Putting so much steak on polling he's up in and as reclined. Boats said on a podcast. They feel bad how much they talked about the pulse on their shows. They're like i feel like it was misinformation yeah can be because oh well meaning like Hillary in the polls they were all wrong about hillary. That's what i'm saying. It's the same so it's like wants go. No different now. Why defending pollsters they. I four years john understand. Like why would you. Why do you want them to. I know you want them to be right. But it's like it's like one of those things where they ask a bunch of kittens. Who's going to win the super bowl like these the kittens puppy. Yeah the puppy bowl. I spoke to. The puppies is your. They're different these puppy. They're smart puppies. Is you trayvon trayvon. Because i own two granted okay shave on a low now the second question bianca. Why so the biggest. So joe biden got more voters than any other a candidate in the history of america. Yes and which is really a gay but you know who got the second. Most in the history of america donald trump. he got more than reagan. He got more than obama. He got more than bush. Hillary himself he added ten percent. That's fucking the terrifying part of the whole thing that is. It's hardly chris. Rock had the a tweet about how he feels just like job. He feels like tom. Hanks the end of castaway. Yeah i just want to eat and then take a shower. See people who are saying. I don't feel like celebrating. But i kinda did not. I'm i'm better than him winning. But it's it's it's no bron obama salvation but it did feel like a relieve. We're we're not. Our windpipe is not being impressed. That's it's like we still have like week. It's like the thing where the guy off us but we still have to run. It's not. I don't feel like people are celebrating by the way. No one wants to be president. Still i don't and if you don't how do you think i feel proud. Whiteman now but like if you don't want to be present. what do you think. Because she's never going to get people in the middle or the or the right now but just legends deal with what it is. She is vice president right now. He is also in his in his acceptance speech. I was like usually yelled the whole times the first time he sounded competent. Hard data and this actually not a lot of floods with no consequences like go ahead and yeah you fucking crazy you eighty percent felt like i liked when he yelled better than when he was part of your celebration. What i'm saying yelling at me so you didn't feel like it feels better i cried etc but you cried. But that's you know. I was and trump's going to if trump the only way trump's not gotta run in twenty twenty four and wins run into awhile i'll betcha to grant. How would that make him. Thirty seventy four. He's not getting time now. I know but. I only way he won't seventy one can't remember. Needs to hold his seventy four. Seventy eight dude biden. He's seventy seven right one thing but seventy eight. No no i mean as you lost him back and you're never gonna say he lost. He's going to he's going to have the easiest gonna leave on basically be an exit. He's going to be an exile leader in palm beach but that's going to be much more fruitful for him then running again and spending all that money and losing potentially it's better for him to have lost not lost but it's better for him to be in this position where he can always just like talking. Had he can tweet the resistance. He can just be like a completely contrary a complete contrarian to biden scan. He's going to be fine. he's not going to want to be the fucking president again. You don't understand how the narcis works not accept a rejection or defeat. they cannot. he won't accept it. never gonna in. And if he runs again he'll win because all he has he hasn't he has nothing. We can do. Why would he win. Because this vote for fucking biden kamla again because got by that point binding comma will actually legislated and they'll have a record and people will go. I didn't like x. but we're not going back to an ex- ex- right he's ex. We're not going back four years later. We did not leave a bad taste man. I cannot the the what these elections make me think is. Am i too cynical or not cynical enough and this one actually made me feel like i wasn't cynical enough really the fact that bianca he got so many fucking votes you get so many votes sane sane. How many votes he got he killed. He's responsible for one hundred thousand deaths on cove it he. Jamal khashoggi Number responsible. he just didn't right. He'd say he didn't say anything even though he that's his job. Complete abdication of duty. That's not why people like a agree. But his mind he got seventy million votes so now all he has to do is sit back and be entertaining. And if you don't think he's gonna fucking and if it's kamla he's going to win by twenty million votes. We'll see i can't this is almost like two theoretical. Because i don't know what's going to happen in four years. You know what i believe. I o skin one by four million a monster. we beat a monster in a squeaker squeak. I could not a categorically awful president Argue probably the worst president ever. And i don't even say that as a liberal. I said that it's like a historian. I mean he gained votes he gave. That's what i'm saying so associates disturbing and it is doesn't that's why it was nice for that day and i wasn't like like no. This is deserving half the country a little less than half the country turned out for him and thinks he is very good for. This country is really good for black people. Latin vetus by the way people double blackman voting. Yeah i think latino men the team and make sense your seat seat you know what happens you know what you mean you. The the why. What's the problem with. Because you're using logic that makes sense. Not the only makes i'm not surprised. Yes but the only makes sense. Yeah that it's an emotional entertainment driven candidate so the idea that that it's not logical so it it can't make sense. It's just what happened meaning like this. What do you mean you can't make. I'm just saying that they definitely pandered to latin vote so the fact that they doubled the latino blocked it is what i'm saying like that's where you go. What the foot we're talking about of the votes was were. I think fifteen percent. What do you mean in the country. No no he was like seven percent black male last night so we're talking about a really small percentage even though it doubled for sure but i know but it's not just two percent to four percent. It's like seven fifteen. It's like that's not that can win you back and win you win election for sure but it makes i totally understand where the latin vote came from. Because there's pockets of latin people that they really can pay. I don't think it's campaigning. So much zoo should we talked about last week which is as people that are as a whiteman. I don't fuck latin community. i don't understand it from. I don't understand it culturally. But i also don't understand it from a demographic voting perspective at all well for example. I know they were breaking it down. Who voted for who puerto ricans clearly voted for by more but cubans overwhelmingly voted for trump. That goes into it. So that's what i'm saying. It does go the w. yeah to not break them up by countries wrong right because you're just like they're not more realistic. But what it does say monolithic. The blacks those flags of blacks were big black monolith like the end of two thousand and one beyond you see it. Donald trump woke up and there was a big black monolith. Standing at the foot of two thousand one floor was white sets a metaphor for something. Yeah the so. That's the stuff that that is so concerning. It's concerning but if you really think about it however me you hope maybe we'll felt about biden are not necessarily biting but how bad trump was for us and how he is not going to be president next week someone felt the exact opposite way but the thing is the same events. Yeah and someone who isn't a proud boy or super hard line. Someone who is just a regular shmegegge person was like no dude. This like he's the way that's bad. Can the scary part that right. And that's what i wanted to talk about. And i don't know if i've ever talked about this on the on the potty but i'm on the palm i'm sitting on the potty on the party taty i'm party look i. I've a squatty potty upset. I do small podcasts. That the problem the big problem with liberals. And i've been saying this and it's borne out by what you just said of people seeing trumping going like no. This is the guy liberals it's there's like the elitism. There's like the professional elitism or the harvard or yale or the cambridge or whatever liberals have an elite leedom elitism problem. Yeah with acting like they're better than conservatives. Like i'm better than you. I'm better than your beneath me. You have no taste you know style you have. You don't eat the right shit. What do you even driving like. Is that a truck do you. Not just all like a pile. I could go on and on and on the way liberals judge conservatives on purely unlike some high school mean girls shit right and conservatives did on some like jok bully back at which point. It's rendered politically incorrect. So they can't really say anything so that we would be which point they say you're punching down your you can't make fun of a transgender people or women. Then we liberals have a list of things. They say for verboten. Can't you know you're canceled canceled. So i'm going to mock the fuck out of you and the minute you mocked the fuck outta me your cancelled so it's a massive problem i was talking about. I did a pilot. And i did a remote where i said a lot of liberals from the way we dress right if i dressed like car heart work boots and a fucking hat. You still like a hip. No i don't look like. I look like a deliverance. Look like a little denver. Yeah i'll show you the picture. I'll give you the picture actually. I just look like a funny deliverance deliver. Yes it's so much of it is they. They don't they don't hillary. There's a way to interpret hillary. Where where even if you don't even if you're massage and tallest fucking went to yale. She went to she went to cambridge. She was. She gave an amazing speech at our at our undergrad address like she basically followed somebody in changed her speech to respond to them. A man who was like super sexist. Right like i believe hillary's admirable but it's the davos private jets fucking the hamptons then explained. Why trump does all that. Well you know because he is a rich person with no taste he is a. It's a it's a that's exactly what. And that's why he's been rich in sliding various degrees but he was never accepted by ben by manhattan rich people. And he's all he's queens ryan. There's a term called queens rich. I don't know that yes. He's from queens n. he's rich. It's like an word rich. Basically it's like. Yeah but he's got. He's rich but like he fucking he's got no style he's got like he dresses in big baggy dumb guy suits. And so that's why poor people go these like he's like he'd hamburglar suits he's my guy 'cause liberals don't like him either and they didn't like him in the nineties like everything liberals never took them seriously let examine mon just to shit on them just like a heap scorn on them and have them as like a as like look at this dumb mullany poor person's idea of a rich person. Yeah so so. He's the so trump but the thing that that that concerns zone sand is. He's more of a gifter. I think then irregular rich person because a regular rich person kind of want other rich people like them and that keeps them in a certain box okay whereas trump is not going to get rich people and everything everyone that's poor thinks everything does awesome. So there's no there's no governor on what he'll be really does like he wants rich and famous people to like. He wants famous people to like him. None of the desired didn't leave. But it's like some holden caulfield shit where it's like. They're a bunch of phonies and it's just it's it's he's got the desire but at this point he knows so it's like fuck. He's the joker joker works. That's why he works. That's why as far as i'm concerned again. It's all theoretical i but i am a historic and And and so. That's why people vote of form. 'cause like that's the thought. I had watching the amount of votes he was getting is liberals never ask. What do we look like if they're willing to support him to To a to someone in the middle of someone a little leans right working class whatever. How awful do liberals look. That's it that's better. And that's what i kept thinking about is. It's all elitism ship. It's all dislike. Like i wrote down notes or go. Level elitism like so. What's the difference in terms of politics between the my pillow guy and lady gaga lady gaga went to spoke for biden on monday. Schumer lady gaga. And everyone's like yes. You know what yes lady gaga poker face. Yes and then put the my pillow. You see the my pillow guy know liberals go the fuck is lady gaga doing there. Why the fuck is lady gaga or any of these fucking people or all. Whatever all the fucking celebrities lined up. I won't name whatever you know there. Why are they there. Why are they able political. Pundit and somehow the my pillow guy and scott baio are fucking. Yeah what's the difference. The differences taste. Yeah that's it some lowbrow shit that's it might feel. Yeah it's that's it the guy my pillow guy. That's a fucking long-shot been that guy if you're a businessman you're like fucking great business yet so but liberals just endless scorn and if you make fun of lady gaga. You're a misogynist entrance. Transplant your transphobic and homophobic and list list. Listless your cancelled. So they're trapped in this thing with their trapped under like a cultural like i don't i if what i'm saying is true. I understand where they're coming from understand where he's coming from conservatives in voting for trump because what also they don't care about fucking black lives matter they're fucking white they don't give a fuck they don't give a fuck they don't give a fuck that there's never been a woman and they don't give a fuck so what it's you know it's like if you leave l. a. And you you basically go back in time. Twenty five years in terms of like values style culture. Where you go like they're going like are you going to the hoopeston concert like who are doing a five thousand seater. They sold it out until body. How because that's still paying some fleeces. Yes not literally was literally insane clown posse but but but they're actually defense. They're not you know racist. I thought they were hooper's. Thank racist. None of them are real. I'm not saying there raises. I'm talking about you're traveling back. Twenty five years okay. I thought here's the thing is is like puts assets and seat is like a draw like like it's one thousand nine hundred five. Thanks so i get. I get it i get it. I don't feel as i'm not gonna say that. I'm not accepted by liberal culture. Because i i am but there's a limit to ceiling that i resent. It's all the jobs. I'm doing now about how it's the worst being liberal. 'cause fucking there's no reward right there's no it's just like in the you can sit with us. There's nothing there's no you know there's nothing in it for fucking for for there's no like there's no rewards and the people that in the middle definitely are getting them. I'm not getting on the left. So people in the middle are definitely get them and the people on the right are only what would they get by voting for biden people the middle people on the right middle all right. Well i mean if you're in the middle. I don't think your one or the other. So you're not completely looking at you as like an elitist. D- we've rose judging them and you're also not looking to republicans or conservatives says you know whatever like you're not buying into both of the images you're kind of swayed depending on what the prison so i feel like i feel like why wouldn't they vote for biden in the middle in the middle. I don't see it's like costa tax are gonna go up people but they don't. I'll tell you. I mean i can tell you what they that's the other issue. Which is they have a different from of course but they different information the but i'm talking about they think they're taxing go up and they can't they live in a different information universe so and it is like it is like the marvel cinematic universe over there where you're like wait. What who re is. Thank every i've soundtrack by hulas. But i'm saying so. They go your tax up socialism. Did it like it. It seems like a drastic change right. Yeah and you're black person's gonna take your job all the shit that's not true but why take that chance. Yeah listening to you just makes me feel like politics in this country are getting are getting. They've become so far away from where they started. I mean is mostly like in the seventeen hundreds. Yeah you know those them. Those are the day You know just just different takes on economic policy like how do you well. That's a whole other. It's not that's not the it's not economic policy to me. i think if you're that's not what i'm saying i'm saying it really. That was a determining factor. In like how do you think we should run the economy Whereas now you have so many different administrations you add on you know these identity politics and even if someone really like now fast forward to present a even if someone does agree with democrats. They use social welfare pro. Where la- welfare programs. They kind of think didn't isn't that bad. Some people just can't vote democrat dot issue. It's it's that's i'll say that. Now it's a fucking ego's the wrong word but it's kind of ego it feels. Yes if you live in a world where everything flatters your point of view which we all do now based on our website web traffic and whatever if you live in that world you think that the idea of a liberal president is so crazy no hell is like basketball teams that lose and at the last second and the and the The call is disputed in like they're still. I'm not talking about like the seventy two olympic basketball team. It's cheating i'm talking about like did derek fisher. Get the shot off in for the rest of time the fans of the other team. They didn't even win that game. It's like that but way worse. So they're already claiming mitch mcconnell when we started recording was saying he sent a president trump deserves to prosecute his election fraud cases can as far as he can't right but what he would have said what they what is it. Twenty years ago it was like no. It's silly we need to move on when you turn the page one hundred percent. I mean not literally twenty years ago. Twenty years ago said we do need to go. But let's say twenty five years twenty six years but like i remember when Trump was the twenty sixteen to twenty sixteen at remember Twenty sixteen so like the campaign stuff in everybody was interviewing people who were for donald trump. This is before he came president hand. They were interviewing a lot of white rural poor people who need welfare systems in place and who use welfare systems in place and Donald trump was running on the fact that he's gonna repeal obamacare and these people were saying that with obamacare their life saving medicine came down from seventy five dollars to fifteen dollars. And i think the only made i think they only made five hundred dollars or hundred a month. Yeah they're really poor from very poor county in like the south and they just ask them so if you repeal obamacare. You're going to have to pay for this out of pocket and can even be more than seventy five dollars and she was like i don't care it's i'm happy to pay more to have a and i was like your lady lean. You need this to live it before. It took one one of your monthly income and because a democrat gave it to you. You don't think that's when i was like yes. When when people are voting against their their interests a woman like that voting against her and her interest is tribal. she's voting very much in her interest. She wants to be. She wants her tribe to be on top. Yeah this is like whoa. It's it's basically it's like we're going back to the middle of the fucking or or yeah. We're going back to the middle ages. We're going not the stone age exactly but they couldn't a liberal couldn't pass. I was thinking today with the with covid. You liberals couldn't pass seatbelts now. They call them tyranny straps they would and they would go. I'm not wearing tyranny. Strap well let's wouldn't. I'm trying to think that wouldn't pass. Most environmental laws. Wouldn't pass most work work. Work work Not workman's comp. But we're anything liberals would not pass because they used to be able to get the working class voter with there was like a shit kicking wing of liberals that's gone place by with the unions unions and then once that was gone it's kind of like they don't have they can't they're not it's not that now. Republicans are shit kickers. Even though they're not good they're not but they are spiritually. Usually i'm serious. They don't have any taste. They'd mitch mcconnell. They'd none them drew all men's warehouse. And that's what i'm like if i'm if i'm a war if i'm a blue collar guy what i'm like if i see if my options are are Mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer items. Chuck schumer fuck out of here. Which is real regular or like okay. Or jim jefferies. Or adam. Schiff yes jordan. Jim jordan adam schiff. I like adam schiff. I took you're looking at uses fucking hair care products like he gets baguette their product from way from like they don't get their products at cvs. He's just he just like running like kinda regularly but he was a screenwriter. At one point really. Yeah yeah like. There's there's the offices in la. Yeah i mean he you know he's like he's actually a smart guy but the good guy but it's an easy to if you're a man pure white man he's a he's a beta cuck beta. Coug liddell's jim. Jordan is is arrest is a former wrestling coach. Well it's like they also. They also elected a former football coach. Yeah it's like what is that show is what hannity and colmes hannity strapping jaw line. Handsome combs chinese like this system nights compared to combs. Got the cop. He's code but holmes was like crumbs measly. he was a poindexter and it was clear the vision they're trying to do. It's it's what do you ninety. sean. Hannity i don't think he's handsome but i know why he got. He's cast the will. This guy helped hannity and colmes. Everybody went to high school with all these everybody wants. Yeah alan colmes just saying jewish now so like which one would you like. If he's like the republican. I'm handsome. It's a visual representation of what can you repair. Can you repair car. That was a good republicans. Want vote for you. Can you repair a relationship then liberals can you can you hook up my a bluetooth. Some liberal ship. Yeah but can you. Are you actually like. How do we solve this well. That's that's why i'm like. I don't think i'm cynical enough because no no no it. It's the end the liberal and then you get into what liberals want somebody said bernie would want bernie with no loss and i paid off. I told you. I know who volunteered for bernie and then was volunteering for biden in florida and she was like she's burning never returning no way no way you know what it is. It's like that cost joke. Where he's like. He's talking to people in la like no one. No one likes birdman. Birdman birdman yeah. No one watched can't but liberals can't even fathom and that's when. I was talk so i talked to like a biden phone. Banking group just like pep talk and i was saying stuff like i say like you need to be able to empathize with lib. Liberals can't empathize with conservatives at all. They can't even fathom it. And i was like you need to be able to fathom. That's the and the my friend said like. Oh the phone lines lighting up. I'm sure that he was like they. Were like a lot of like. Fuck that guy people because they don't fucking way you're saying this and people hearing it yeah. I was saying it to a bunch of biden volunteer. But the phone lines reacted tweets per verbally. Okay but what did they say to you. I mean they were. I think it was just like a little controversial like. Oh i thought we were looking for talk not a not a dum. Dum dum talk. But that's what he got so so the now. The liberal problem is problem. Wasn't that we didn't even get well. No deliver problem is is elitism and end but on the that's that's a big on the liberal side. We want nothing jazz musicians. No pop no. joe biden's fucking adult contemporary pop singer and liberal stink like liberals wanna get excited by by some punk rock shit some some. Aoc obama was to to adult contemporary for for most liberals or a liberal wing. But because he was black it like put what they got. He got like black points. Give us like the black country singer. Thirty well yes. So yeah so they want they want. One fox wanted me to do a show one time usually done it not fox news fox and and i said i don't wanna i don't think what i do is like big enough this fifteen years ago but it was like. I don't wanna play jazz giant stadium. Meaning you got this big venue. And that's the thing that liberals don't get it's like obama was kind of freaky in that he. He didn't seem by being wacky seemed punk rock and soup more liberal than he was whereas clinton same thing he was clinton the liberals turn clinton because he went to the middle. They don't understand is like that's where the winning is. That's where the fucking votes are. They're not in the far left. That's why like bein. Keep saying. I beat bernie warrant. I'm wondering if he's gonna even point them to cabinet positions being. Maybe we'll maybe but but but then why does it work on the right. When trump by based on your theory went trump is so extremely right if the votes are these not even that right. No but his rhetoric superhighway. His rhetoric isn't even political. Has its own thing. It's not but so far right but it's not it's not it's not very it's hard to even say what it is. That's the thing is. It's not center. But i would say they're different long up. And because they rave is emerging like really making extreme declarations on normal republican. Turn on their candidates the thing of liberals fall in love and republicans fall in line like they. Just go him. Okay yep of over not like yeah but if he thinks for once there's no questioning really because that's a seventy year old term that liberal might know what happens but that's an old man for as well. Yeah i mean. I'm trying to think you mean in terms of people don't like clinton beyond the lewinsky stuff. He went too far right. The crime bill was too far to the middle and they like really resented him for its people still do. Yeah and it's you we they they. It's childish it's childish. It's like the the the the girl who says i don't even want you to look at other women. I'm not fucking them. Can i i my. She came into my field of vision. Well you should know better or the jealous boyfriend is like what the fuck is e like that it's that thing but with liberal orthodoxy. That they refuse to like if you deviate for one second. You can't win it now. I have a third issue with liberal. Come on bring it. They liberals ca everyone taking credit for. Joe biden's win. It's every demographics. This is where we go. Go see your point. My point is if i got. He's got to have black people's back he's got to have navajo vote. Form native americans voted form out the fucking. Yeah out the wazoo. I I knew where you were going and went to tiffany. And so he's got a he's got a he's got a rep for black people. Scott a rep for native american people. It's got a rep for. I think did did la- tanks vote for him over. Fifty percent tanks two thirds. Yeah that's still a lot of people. I don't know if that's just support or vote. No but the. I don't care about support. That's there's no such thing as latino vote go right there well nationwide bind captured sixty six percent. That's still a lot of. That's still a lot jemaine to more than white people so on the one hand. You've got a blackmail us. Native americans go you owe was latino people go you our us and and he's got gotta go to the middle. That's where the votes are so. He's kind of fucked and that's where that childishness thing comes where it's like no you can't Like he if he serves them. They're not under not enough of them. Yeah no i know. But i do think like you know if you're going to run a campaign like that you have to keep in mind that you fucking oh them at but if i voted for him also right. I'm saying you owe them your first born but we know what but i but that's what i'm wondering. It's every they've really feel like owed. And what i'm saying is i don't know how many people feel owed taking credit like we turn all my twitter but because i'm i don't play that game. I don't think white people like you owe us. Not but that's what i'm saying if it's if if there wasn't an overwhelming amount of people in colorado black latino and native they just start there yeah. They're not we'll native people are all are there but not the right but not like in. They're not doing put numbers. I'm gonna put up so so so i don't understand the it's childish logic to say you owe us now. Well is it in terms of black people. Because i do think given democrats there's support port ninety percent like so much and they really aren't ever targeted. You know what. I mean in terms of like when the When people are doing like legislation really pandered to white especially white women are targeted by pollsters and parties and everything really that's who they pander to they don't really like it was just assume they're going to get the black vote so this is a little different but you know that like a lot of democrats assume they're going to get the black vote and don't really do much for and that is this particular faction in this country that my my thinking that i sent you that graphic that roy sent me now. You didn't tell me. I didn't i think i did. I don't think he didn't and you said this is great. Let's talk about no. You just texted me that your theory on a your credit. Oh wait wait. If every demographic voted for their. But we talked about this thing. Okay basically we'll get we'll put it up right. It's the country. I'm sorry will roy. Years is going to be a shot down. Graphic get hot gradually. The everyone voted for like what i'm saying. Voters will vote like what was the key. I can't explain the graphic. But i'll set. Can you send it to well. How the to'real map would look if only blink voted and they go through people of color white college educated whites not so it just shows it but i'm also so my question is clearly. There's something in democratic politics for people of color. Well i feel like we'd like it was like they're just less racist acting but that's that's not nothing. No that's not nothing but it's it's a low bar. I think so as a i'm we all now. I'm pretty pretty well off pretty well to do right. I'm a well to do white guy right. so it's it i would. You could make an argument that it's more of a sacrifice for white people to vote liberal than black people meaning what kind of white people anyway person. Because i really if you look at how college educated whites vote. They vote mostly for republicans. But i also feel like republicans. Don't taxes much. i'm surprised you. I always say that i am. What if your rich in this country in your liberal. You deserve a price. Because that's what i'm saying. I'm i'm serious like if we're going to play the game. I don't think everybody deserves me because there's only me i just feel like there were a few states that gave him. It was really close. It was but yes. I'll ernie saying. Vote for him. In south carolina for in the in the primary primary was massive that he owes his he does oh his nomination to black. What do you the kind of up to wait around the government. Like i all right so you. What are the owe them so instead of saying oh right. i think we should look at historical. You voted for us and we have done nothing for their community. After we we get their vote. You know and it feels like i remember. I am friends with his casting director. And she's like oh man before people get cast their so nice the casting the shit but once they get cast in his show. I'm like you never hear from. Dan and it feels a little bit like that. So what do what we can. Just talk about it from bob. Whenever you if you've just been completely taken not taken taken for granted voted been taken for granted for so long by the same party and you turned out numbers that equal the same as white women like black women and black people turned out highest voting numbers even though they still are targeted. There's still targets of voter suppression and there never really pandered to from pollsters parties to be like oh legislation. Yeah they're not considered really thank you. So because they're fifteen percent of the population but numbers but no not really because even fifteen percent of the population one wayne county. Which want him michigan. You know he won a lot of white county. White cowboy wants also count to the electoral college but the blake. We talked about in the primaries. It was it was in south carolina that him the that vote. So that's important but yes in the primary for the primary for sure. What i'm saying is in the general election the concept that one philly one at forum or pittsburgh or these are cities are more liberal because people are together and they understand like it. You needed social safety net. Yeah it's pretty much that cut and dry. And so why wouldn't they vote for him. They let me democrats advocate a good social safety net and less racism right but sometimes even though that black people vote for a democratic candidate. They don't ever see that improvement. And i mean look they already. It's already an improvement over a republican. Can i for sure. And that's why they generally get the vote but they also don't amy very complacent in terms of the demands and they still get the vote. You know what. I mean like yep yes better than a republican and. I don't know why it's like this guy's better than a republican and there was like you know you won't why i'm better than a republican. Well also win. Black people didn't turn out the vote blasts election which was trump versus. Hillary people were like. Why didn't black voter turnout. I mean. I don't think anyone was going like widen fortunate. People were saying people are saying you know. Black vote was low. What people need to exercise their right. Come on the look. If only this many people vote they were right though a better president for blind people then trump. What i'm saying is if you're if you're gonna take aim at who didn't vote and it's like you guys could help you guys. Then then what do you think the decibel level differences between yelling at. When they didn't vote and blindfold taking credit and latino and big more pride than derision. But how many times do black people say. We won this view very few times. I've like every election. That is one now now. The everyone's saying like stacey. Abrams did that. I maybe. it's you know. I followed too. Many people say no more on paul. Zimbabwe fall jiminy. Okay we saw. But i do think that like you. Vote for what you think is the best interest faction and this is like christmas joke about like. What do you want a cookie like. It's it's a fucking minor pain in the ass. Devote this year was like very minor because more people voted by mail but it was great. Why are you should all vote. Vote vote by mail. Put in fucking all. It's like cut to our ballots in a gutter somewhere. I mean come to find out through our ballots on the roof. I think when you vote you don't vote further. No reason vote. why. It's not voting for american idol. You vote because you hope to get some something back you know. What whether it's better for your community or you as a person of your race or your pockets or your tax bracket whatever so. I don't think there's something inherently wrong with saying like joe like wayne county you got atlanta got other ones also who i understand the other ones. So he got those he got up other ones. That are all white count right. I don't think don't those white counties get to go like you owe us because one they probably feel like this is going to be better. They expect some sort of. They expect a better something right. Everyone just something so. The thing is liberal. I was like every day got to be the birthday. Every group has to be like i need my. It's too many it's not. I don't think raises an issue but a lot of these issues come down to these fuck small groups that make a ton of noise and then liberals make it impossible for candidates not to have to pay those people and then they lose a lot of but let's actually a national election. Let's just take michigan for example. How detroit won it for that county wanting to pull up michigan please. Because it's not the only county he won. I'm not saying that you're able to let me finish because nuts. This is completely. You don't have to freeze with this. What you're bringing up does not matter to my point earlier. So let's say for detroit. Voter turnout was right in that county and they show up the same to help. Contribute to a win of michigan which is not always a blue state in michigan. So let's just take our example in milwaukee in wisconsin white counties that show up just the same bobo good for them but the thing is black counties and black people still to this day face voter suppression still to this. They don't have anyone really saying. Oh let's pass this legislation view and we're still turning in this election at least still turned out votes equal to white people so like voter turnout equal. Did the same numbers as them. So i think when you're doing the same and you're doing the same amount of work and being literally suppressed in certain places. I think that's there's something to be said for that. And i think you know what i mean. I think the fact that like yeah. We came out even though people have like weird. Id laws make eight hours in line in poorer places. They're doing everything to suppress you. And in these nice white counties. I'm sure it was a little bit easier than some like. I'm sure there's some places where they turn the fuck out helped him and he's voter suppression so i'm just saying there is something to be said for. Hey wasn't all it's not just all one vote. Vote was if you're saying like they had to work harder. Yeah that's what i'm saying. I it's into which i would say like. Do you wanna re democratic president republican president. But your choice. But that doesn't that doesn't that doesn't speak to my point. My point was just like hey. I don't think there's anything wrong with you facing all of that and saying if you want something for someone in your account if you if you're county helped add to to winning the seat. Why not be like yeah. We turned out for you even though through all of them. What do you do. If you're biden case and then how do you think that affects his his standing in the next general election with middle people right people. I think it depends on how what you think how to run your administration your cabinet in terms of being affected for. I don't know black and brown people. I don't know what the exactly what that means. But maybe it's putting particularly people's people in particular positions that can help that are connected to more grass root i. I don't know i can keep. That's what i'm wondering. What would that's what i would say to like was obama. Good at that Having cabinet members that were i. Don't wanna talk to my ass. I don't know. And i think people in politics or that community organizing all that stuff can i somewhat. You know someone else has a good idea of what to do i. It depends on what kind of policies adopts in what i don't know. I guess it's that's what i'm saying. If you don't know when you're pretty well informed like right thing. I guess i just think lying everyone who voted for him got it helped and if every single group says you owe us. He's guaranteed to lose the next election. But if we change the rhetoric from you owe us two. We put our faith in you with our vote. We would love a little help with whatever's ailing our community. Like if it's just that's not you're not going to be. He's you know. I'm not saying don't help people i'm just saying no no no. I'm saying they're donate every single person of over. And that's what this is what i want to say when biden said i'm going to be the president of the whole country i was thinking like i don't know how you do that if you owe if one group feels you owe them and then another group hates you. How the fuck do you govern that. How do you become the president of all that we buy. If you cater to the people on the right as biden the fucking all the counties and the groups are all fucking hate. They will all turn. You say you're you're you betrayed their vote. The thing is though obama had luck and he felt like fuck. I can't show bias. Violence will white guy. I feel like he could. He saw we talk about that. Although i'm saying how do you be the president of the whole country. If if you do anything for people on the right if you do anything for seventy million people thirty five million of the seventy five voted for you will hate your guts and consider you turncoat. I don't think there's anything to do with a woman in that it. Just in that regard the different issue of him being black and not being able to just. I don't think he feels this like we talked about with the lady who the head of a some movie studio like. I don't think it's all argument. And he doesn't have that same. Like gotta i don't want somebody to say i'm doing this because i'm like bryner trump. I'm saying biden doesn't have that added from does the right to make sure the right is biased. It's where he was. Our president was dog that she has done. It's impossible but i don't think he's going to be nice to the right. I don't know how what i think he's just gonna do me. I mean i don't know may like okay. For example obamacare like my example helped everyone a lot of poor white people that is being the president of whether you're going to take the gift or take it whether republicans are conservatives are going to be like i'd rather be trying to kill it fucking hate it because it's not their idea yeah. I'm talking about people not the politicians but that's those are the people follow the politicians one hundred percent like the lady one who said i'll pay seventy five as long as mckay is if you're going to govern everyone and not just whatever site elected you you just put policies that help and fucking. Oh yet but it makes you. What's the reason they have elections. I'm saying what he's what he's tasked with and what he thinks he's gonna be able to do is out of the question out of the question. It's fucking if black will say you was and he's gone. I'm the president. Everybody and the black for any given by people the fucking i'll get to you in a second. That automatically makes them not the president. He'll listen. I think you're a perfect amount of cynical. I don't think you need to go for more cynical. Neil thank you find perfect with something. I wanna to make clear to the to the essential workers when we were all banging pots and pans on saturday morning and screaming. That was not for you. Okay that needs to be made clear. Essential workers that was not for you. That was their job biden winning. We don't bang pots and pans for you anymore. Essential workers because kevin my next point cova is somehow over because and this is all the same issue we're addicted to entertainment and the reason trump was so successful is he had a new plot. All the time and coves plot is to fucking straight and boring and it hasn't mutated fucking mutate your virus. It's boring and we're tired of it. Like come up with a new mass. Say we have to wear helmets. Stu something because this shit is it's like people like like i was saying like so you don't think anyone of those biden celebrations fucking cove it. They absolutely are going to absolutely. I mean yeah. You're over at up to seven weeks like everyone fatigue. But i'm not i don't. I flew to palm beach. But i was still on my on my on my grizzly. I also think we need a new symptom like bleeding. Our guys i bleed out of your house if you're really about that if you want to be on the top of my fucking emails you're going to be on the top of my list. He something's gotta believe something if it bleeds it leads hit you with a double one from the newspaper industry leading. It's not elliott. Eds don't worry about it. That's so funny so so yeah like the the covid is gonna kill everybody because it's it just didn't it didn't buy new outfit. That's literally dropping album now for real needs new sound. It's the same like no get it like. Oh yeah respirator Let me double up on my pills. Hold on and i have a uses operation. Something for i tweeted this out and somebody pointed out that so useless observation which is all the time trump was calling. Joe biden sleepy. joe. I thought of this nickname a year ago and didn't say it because i didn't want to somehow get from sloppy joe so much better so much sounds but what slavi about heats the fucking steel speeches he fucking. He's he's like a sloppy. It's a deeper of veterans. He's not sleepy. There's another sleepy. He's way more sloppy than sleepy and sloppy. Joe would have been like sloppy. Joes serve sloppy joe sloppy joes at the now alley which raised a. He might hear this. It's over. I mean he'll do from palm beach and he'll he'll use it to win. Twenty twenty four tr bind will do some shit blades to when he told him for big fucking deal and sniffing women sloppy shit. It raised the question. I pointed out how often people you see sloppy. Joes like when i say that people you see those three nights a week. Everyone eight sloppy joes. We had slavi june. I couldn't explain to a child. I hate sloppy sloppy. Joe was great for kids because it introduced indigestion. It was like intro to ended. This will automatically make you do. Wet burps no wet burps way. You know what. I'm saying as a mice mouth. How many times did you did you eat your family attend. Yeah we says they're good about all real nice amount of sloppy joes. Did you know they're fucking grows to instant burt. They tastes like sugary a vomit burgers. Shukri fall it for lame of the heat them. They're not that different than they were going down. You're like that's bad. That's kind of the same but worse. I wish it didn't come back up. It's the most repeated food in the history it's syndicate seinfeld of sandwiches in terms of what it would do. Internal repeats internet archie. Chapelle show now screening on now streaming on netflix. You get money. I like should but it's far team it was. It's so confusing. They're gonna they'll figure out a way to not pay me. isn't everything. I audited them in the in the two thousand and the amount of money that they forgot how was so fucking wild. There was like so you forgot audit. Ps auto power. You have a whatever you can. You can audit record. Label musicians can audit audit are. Big artists are auditing the record label in perpetuity. All the time. Okay great start another one. Yes okay starting on and you just do it by year by wind up. Yeah i did a commercial and it was just for his lawyer no no something else and Gentlemen national commercials lived in a lot of music videos. Done a lot of everything So when i saw it two years later i was like what i i had to work so hard to hate again and then they owed me all this other money. I'm like i get the reason why you would do had to put some. You're like a black voter. You really had to work hard. I had so much russians. Where you're fucking being your gloves girl. I put my fucking lugs cigarette hanging out. So no and i was like you'll be a legal. You literally owe me money and you knew you owed me money and you ran it again and you basically well. If she never comes and gets the best they assume you're gonna harvey weinstein thing like so he's in jail for being a rapist. He also someone i knew. Produce scream produce now brought the script and we should make this. He was a producer. Harvey didn't give him a diamond. Said fucking sue me. Yeah and it's they just challenge. You do not seen the thing. That paramount doesn't realize is. I'm a i'm a chillers chesler. They maybe their product. Counting on the spirit padre a he didn't. He's still spear. Padre still has a sense of fairness that he needs sometimes sometimes but he needs. He needs avenue kobe. They tested me so many times throughout the weekend about everyone. Everywhere we went was rabbitohs rapid tests. It was new. York is very strict Everywhere like information everywhere. I went was being very. They were very The my information everywhere went really. I guess for trade contractors con contrary con contact tracing krahn places complex places soundtrack macy's by the way if you're wondering what my sense of humor is life like that's it. People sounds that i can make into other dump. Sounds like horse noises. You know realize how funny you are with completely stupid. Sounds because you'll be that's your you. Do those sounds in your head constantly ever tell you. An ex girlfriend noticed that walked from room to room. I i do transition music. What do you do like bitty that like all radio music like an establishing shot of me walking into a new room. It's a it's a crazy person. Think this many years of writing being entertainment comic than no. Do you just see shit in charge. That not even not even a question. It's like not even you watch. Sometimes i don't. That's why i don't watch movies and i'm like Like if someone's like it's just a few lines the audition five hundred people you are bombing you know you just get taken out of it at one point after half baked i would be watching a scene and i would look for the light source in people's eyes. I was like oh. They have a ten k. Over here and you'd think i was better. Lighting didn't really didn't pass any onto your mind your mind. So yeah so. Let's let's let's do some emails. Hi guys neal brennan here with and you know we forgot housing. We using a platform called anchor. App called anchor which bianca refers to as anchor nice. So it's like. I've said before it's fair. It's you can see they get you ads and then you can see how much money you're making off of each add each episode there is. There's a tab on there that literally just says money It's very simple. And if you have a if you have a very linear mind like uncle nail. You chew new. 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He might be black because this is this sounds black. Can he send us if this listen to this fucking dance song about the show and then we'll go over the lyrics fucking how does get lyson key. You'll know one team the program all right so can hear the lyrics that one you name that's This is his. He gives the patron and gives the donald. That one you name is this. It means white for this song is called patois for the white version How neil feel what do you think he what what benke ago thinking neil. That's the translation attain racist scatter and crawl. Deng like slinky. I mean racist running fear and crawl away like a slinky. I guess got that guard done. Lake slinky oh makes sense when you feel no one no theme choon fi. Have some wicky. Neil doesn't like songs that have the wikki wikki song sound bianca. I- batty hole and get kinky looking at but holes gets bianca heart. Let me read that beyond. I bet andy gal get kinky. God is how neil feels whopping again. So that's the first part. And then i'll go over the next part and they talk about relationship but it's stinky relationship. Emails received or about relationships. Hafi apologize if he him conspiracy. If someone talks about conspiracies they o.'neil an apology. If gal one five fuck it happy be schedules. Woman wants to have sex with neil. They have to schedule it. Real can't stray far from santa locale and it won't be too far of a distance from nails neighborhood. That's all we're still fucking bed. Boy narrate nothing but tuft and needle. Neal is a bad boy and boy. He prefers tough needled anything else. Creaking beds sounds nuff. Man get chop up from twitter karate. Neil cuts a lot of people down and twitter. Obey yama rules mama. Rules are paying a well. Ting a get well hotted obey. Neal's moms rules or things by kids back frontline nuff episodes. We've seen neil watches. A lot of frontline is pond screen while we yom sweet green and we repeat the play the second half of the talk cases. You don from santa monica that why not rea- noten not get off the plugs. I mean that's the kind of song here. On on a streaming service go to jamaica jamaican by the way. There is a dub version of pink. Floyd there's a few albums that are so fucking great for white people especially takes a white album. And then there's like radiohead wants israel. There's good ones they'll look at it like cheesy. I don't think it's cheesy. I can't play 'cause we will get we'll catch chopped off pink pink floyd's going to audit us. This dude frontlines on line a dull. It need so good this very the. I knew you were black my friend. And if you're not he's ridwan if he's not black. We can't play this song ever. I don't i mean some wild sums while he's not black some slow goodbye. You've got mail. Good day neil. And good day bianca i'm a solidly middle class. Puerto rican from the east coast in my twenties who moved to la to pursue a career in writing because of the pandemic. I was furloughed for my job. And i had to find something that paid enough to keep up with this expensive la rent. I was able to get a job as a field aid for construction company. Thanks to my friend's father working for the company after working here for six months and getting used to the physical demands of the job. The first two weeks i could barely move. I was so sore. I've a fairly good understanding. I guess they were having sex them. I have a fairly kidding I have a fairly good deliverance. I've a fairly construction guys. And that's what chris told me. I've a fairly good understanding of just. How much la natives hate transplants. Be as a result of working. The two men who i work with most our miguel and jacob a mexican american jewish guy around the same age as made by the way didn't need to specify them we knew they are childhood friends born and raised an echo park they on more than one occasion talk about the fa g actors and youtubers pushing all their friends and family out of the city. I've heard at one time or another. Most of the rest of the crew talk about their disdain for people moving here to other white guys on the crew talked about how they like having immigrants here but quote hate these assholes from ohio. New york fucking venice wondering as to fellow transplants. Have you guys received any negative comments from people who were actually from la What does neil feel. And what does pinky he says. Winky think wait. What does winky thank you. I don't know what he meaning like I i moved here so long ago. Comparatively to the the second transplant wave. That happened from new york especially back. How do you know about the transplant. It was really obviously the that's empirical and that's in your world. There might have been a lot of people. But i mean like a single. Yeah it was a lot. I read a lot of. What's going on in terms of housing in la empirical The biggest thing is the housing prices within two years quadrupled. My condo one year was very very affordable and the things in k town are really affordable and japan down. There's a cool area downtown. And within two years they were. I mean it was just exponentially. We didn't make sense for was going on. And i think it was a lot of people from new york coming over and realizing oh we don't have to live like poor people every time you're gonna mike i live. I have a better standard of living than you. And you make five times much. Money's so i think you is this kind of exodus from sf la. From what i can gather. I don't know exactly where everybody came from. But do we know this will. Will you look up. La i do it on like there's all these websites what moving population l. a. Newcomers la la transplant population proportion hundred low. And before that. Here's what i'll say to. This guy is basically the woman who didn't want obamacare. He doesn't want transplants. What are you guys building late. Sorry which guide the writers guys who wrote no. He wants transparency. And miguel. what did so. What do you guys building bird houses. What are you talking about building bird houses. I say she's okay right. Love excuse asking as you can see it everywhere. All the housing one up all everything went up and not made the housing crisis really bad because we had so many luxury housing all the new ones like a few years ago for a while it was all luxury housing that only needed to be like fifty percent capacity for them to make their money so one more people came into all the regular housing. It was just this game where people complain. It's like miguel and joshua yaakob making. They made bird dog houses and they hate all these people coming. I don't make they don't make construction for people. Apparently it's true it's it's also this is not necessarily vacation. This is just. I think it's a form of densification. Because if there's more demand the the gentian lying on down got gentrified. I mean it's it goes from a somewhat indigenous historically indigenous population too. But that didn't happen for anyways. Whatever i mean. There's also the. We didn't talk about chris about this. But his theory about gentrification which is like a of people that got bought brownstone for nothing in the seventies and sold them for a lot of money. In fact chris an apartment that he sold for a shilling. I saw i read. This really interesting. Article wasn't nice by. He bought it before. I read this interesting article. That argued how there's actually no such thing as gentrification it's a long thing and we might know it's it's it's easy it's an easy thing to say but then you are ha- what's going to happen most should happen. It's yeah it's weird. H the problem is when people come in and they re they do push out a certain part of the puck and i get it but a lot of them do sell so then some people they push out with a giant bag of money. Some get pushed out london paris. It's like the every all the all the somewhat poor people live on the outskirts and takes an hour and twenty whatever. It's fucking awful but it in some ways it's the way the system set up but the is i fuck in as a man on top of it. I must look guys. I'm at the top of the pyramid here. So this up for me. I bought this place in asia longtime again. I need a cash. You did by longtime ago ten years ago but the place before that in new york. I lost two hundred grand on way. They said it couldn't be done. Bought it in two thousand four in two thousand sudanese prices. No it was. I had a penthouse apartment which my brother referred to as apartment eleven seeks didn't like saying that i lived in a penthouse hurt. His feelings and thing about rooftop. Apartments are new york the top floor. They leak because need toffler on pen. Todd i mean what does it leak. I feel like winning the brains fuck. They leak like you ever see a fucking what. A roofs in new york look like garage. Yeah and if there's a reason why the reason why there's roofs there's a slight uptick in new york so i lost underground. That's really sad. So but when i do meet people from new york i'm like you son of a bitch. You are at the same time kind of raise the property value of macondo. So yeah screaming. That's exactly right every hypocrite Six sumi podcasts. But yeah are you listening to all of them. No you're not all of them. Yeah you only. You can only listen to night a week like i good buy you. Thanks giving the inter on right to it i was. I was bartending over the summer and a girl came into my into my bar. Who was there for work. She sells products to the bars just to clarify. She's not a floozy. She came in got a drink and hung out until my shift was over. I naturally struck up a combo and that was that after my shift i had my shift drink and sat down. I did it ten shift lines like i do and sat two seats away from our at the bar. We started to really vibe and before you know it. We're drinking the rest of that. We're drinking together. The rest of the night. We clicked almost immediately enclosed the bar after closing. We went for a walk and began making out blah blah blah. We didn't have sex. this is important. We spent about seven hours after the closing together. Talking out. she is now my girlfriend. Here's the thing fell that you fell right into trap. She insisted she was shot the whole time and never usually does that but she continue to talk about how big her ass was all the time she was a bartender which was cool until i found out after that she worked at hooters and then in. Edm club for years. The club had the bartenders wearing barely anything showing most of her body. I have no issues with this whatsoever as i asked. Moore it just seems. Her story has shifted not too much worse. But as if she was sparing details astor if she ever hoped that with the guys at bars or customers which of course is an issue. It's her pass. She said nope if it's not an issue to ask but later on she had been leaked out that she had actually dated a customer but it was through her through friends she also he says like customers like she's a prostitute right lake. She also claimed never have one. I'd stands and waits a long time to have sex. The second time we hung out we hooked up again not the issue. She recently moved a here from a different state in january and she had a new boyfriend. She met online by late january. All my street training and twenty nine years is preparing me for things like this guy's got street training like he was a he was trained by the by the guardian angels and they would be on the street doing street karate street. They do this guy exercises in the street. He's one of those guys is he. Just pull up on the cross on the on the crosswalk light. Am i wrong for. Uh i've had my share fair share of girls and sex but i'm just curious. Am i wrong for having doubts about this girl's passed. Something just seems off. The relationship is really good. And we're extremely compatible. Binks help your in the industry. Can you give me inside what it's like being attractive girl and also her being shot at working at two places that expose excessive body and listening dan. The as you're in the industry played working. Adm comedy bar again. The issue isn't the past. It's the issue of if she's telling the truth. I understand all this except the january boyfriend part but okay. Well i don't really i don't. I'm not working in an environment that's very. I mean wearing sweaters in so it's not the most sexy of workplaces but it. I think you know what when people meet each other. Everyone's trying to protect themselves. Everyone's trying to present you know kristie meeting the representative. You're not meeting the person to represent exactly. So i think she probably. I don't know i think she's telling this. Why would you be like aim. Hang aim high. If you were not shy at all you know. I wouldn't say i'm not shy. I'm just pick a persona. But there's something she just. I just it depends on how long people take to reveal themselves fully me that just what she's doing to make herself feel good. I if you guys were getting along well and also didn't know why the sex part is like we didn't have sex. She didn't she didn't fucking on the first fun second date. I feel like if we go through in start. Quantifying people will then. She did this on this time this here. You're always you're gonna drive yourself nuts. it's better i. I dated one guy and i kept asking him. I will have you did that. I kept finding out people. He fucked and i remember saying like oh. You didn't tell me fuck and mind you. This was years ago and he kind he just said you know dude it. I fucked people like the go through. Line everything or like. I'm with you now. And do you want to tell me every new folk and that moment i was like no. You know what i've been wrong. Nobody put in perspective. It's like joe people fuck people. Yeah i don't know. I feel like people always trying to protect themselves in the relationship. Don't look too much into it. You literally said we're super compatible and our relationships go with. Don't overcomplicate it. would you think bianca yes by yet. First of all the guys got to understand that there are certain things women are like marines about. But i'm not saying it like they're they're wrong. It's because you can't have their marines in that you can't handle the truth like you can't fuck it. You wanna know how many people i want the truth. You can't handle you literally cannot handle. It's sylvia plath somebody does quote about like if if men knew what women's lives were actually like it with like fuck the world. But don't you think men live out there absolutely that's wanna like yes. I thought tha women so society sections women and women section men in relationships like you fuck. You still think we're gross. You still the assumption is. You're a little gross. You know what. I think if women if guys knew how what's going on with in terms of sags and boba takes away the like ethereal lost. We can't tell you. But i think the reverse if women new they kinds of girls you fucked. It would be it would be. It's not that you thought it would be a nightmare on elm street. It's not that you talked a lot of girls. It's now our time of day. And the person that i went to her roommates to turn the music up like you what it's it's rhyme time. It's not so much. The body count whereas with women. It's the we can't tell you. The full body count. So i i think everyone is fragile about the other person. I'm not saying that like women are like fallen lapsed. it's yet she's fucking. You know how you think she's hot. Why wouldn't you guys thanks. She's like why wouldn't the guys at edm club. I wouldn't lie gauges i. i've sent to women before. Like i'm a fucking forty year old fucking relatively famous rich comedian. What do you think what do you think. Do you want to what okay. So some people don't ask ever like. Oh so what's your dating pass like and some people ask. I don't have a problem talking about past dating. But do you have a rule. Like you're like it's neil neil is ad. I don't care what having a busy or the more is that i just don't i don't get insecure. I don't picture the guide noun dinner. I don't picture the fucking and he's like shoe didn't exist. What would you have done. Looked out the window waiting for you. She's getting pounded. like no. You know you can like the sopranos and fucking game of thrones. You don't be like wait. You watch yes. It was also great. Have you had a girl that got in credit incredibly. It's a nightmare because there's nothing you can do. It's just like a process that's happening goal reaction 'cause person you talk in. Can't there's nothing you're just trapped. There's you can never be innocent enough now and you are near. You are convicted. You're the the accusation is the conviction lock her up locker up. Whoever the person you're year old walked up how many i- gels guys. How many jealous guys are sorry. How many jealous relationships have you had. Or whatever needing situations where like line in the sand drawn ever gonna angels. How do you have you had a few or is it like i'm never doing that again. I had one. I've had to systemat level thing it's purely material at once. You go there and you love the person. They're so jealous. Like fuck that's not yet and then you start cha- you're like is this gonna be around for. I'm not cheating. And i want to say i've never been jealous. I that's fine but you don't terrorize the other person with your insecurities not for more than a week. No but there's just nothing you can do and this guy what i would suggest to. This guy is either say. I promise you she can tell that you're like being weird about it because she's hiding something from you she's like yeah you now. Yeah and so either. Never bring it up again and make your peace with it. She's good looking you the same way you wanna fugger other guys wanted to fugger. And she's a human person and sex feels good and sexual attention feels good. Why wouldn't you allow her that either. Drop it forever. Or if you can't say just tell me everything. Please tell me everything. But you're not you're not gonna like you're not going to like it because if you have a need to say tell me everything. It's like when people go through other people's phones you find something even if you can't find anything you'll find something that you're just like adding on the jealous ex went through my phone and found the one like your phone line just going through notes and like you literally word search. I don't know how she found what she found. Okay she claimed it was just the one i came on and i didn't know about it. Lie and i should have broken up with her on the spot. But then you're an asshole. I literally was like when he signs up like it's two bays alley no. It wasn't a lot of it was talking about her birth glowing terms to another woman. Yes that i dated. Yeah know. I know i figured i figured the rest good. Her can only mean with eggs. Yeah so she was just mad that you were even speaking about one point. I said something a little a little now not pejorative i. I said i'm thinking of you. And the reason i was thinking of her was because my girlfriend was being nuts. And that's not i was. She had been with a nuts person. No this is getting word. So like i just like thinking about you into say why did literally think about you know okay. Did you tell the girl why. But it doesn't matter if you say you're being nuts no we it was not i wasn't it wasn't it was just on some mike. We'll friendship if you're already insecure an exiting thinking about you. It's gonna fuck like there's no way they didn't recover. How long did that last year. I should have broken after that. You're 'cause i'm an idiot. Maybe that's maybe two years. Maybe it's pretty bell. Lord okay goodbye. You've got mail. Hi hi neal and bianca then a fan of the podcast for a few months now and i'm excited to be able to watch the show show now. That is on that question for both of you is as two people who around comedians. All the time to you'd think that a superiority complex necessary for good comedians. I wouldn't conflict this directly with ego. Because i've noticed that comedians are also very self aware. And h-high hyper critical but it seems like in order to talk about in order to talk to a crowd of hundreds to thousands of people you have to think that your ideas are worth more than theirs to some degree. This is accurate is accurate. Yes and if so do you see this behavior manifest itself in your life. Thank you so much for your time. I only see it everywhere only everywhere only only well i i. I fought these floating. Bianca's people don't want it. Yes that's the seinfeld made that observation in communities and cars and cut it up but he's like yeah. I don't buy that whole a i'm insecure. Yeah nervous i love so you drove forty minutes to make people and charge people to listen to you and you're you don't. You're not sure what's going to happen like enough. And what is it the number one fear. Most people have is speaking in front of large crowds. Somehow you guys have pushed as in the most awful wait you had to go through years of no one laughing at you and somehow you still thought against all odds get some point. Someone was giving. I'm really funny and then there's something here right. It's almost like a like those people won't give up like it's like dude like there's people who don't like no. I mean you know that one eminem song hate to quote at that stand guy or people who just keep trying to be friends or like probably writing you on deums. Every time something happens like if your friends you really have to have a weird level of delusion to be comedian to fight through one bombing would most people would never go back on stage and you guys have to go back on each time and time again but there are. People are legitimately fucked in terms of insecure and sad and depressed. But that's not you know they're not it's like the they're not actually insecure. Okay so not actually insecure. It's like i'm not saying it's a put on. No but i'm saying they have a lot of jobs. And they're like sort of neurotic but they don't actually think and they're afraid of bombing so that makes you a little. But they're they don't actually aren't like withering They know they're they're the funniest person in pretty much every conversation they've had for the last twenty years. Yeah what do you think. Do you think he's right about yes. Yeah that's the yeah. You can't just the idea of. Here's neil and i go like hello. Now listen to me. It's insane and then there's times where like i said. I'll be on the phone with chris. And i have no compunction about cutting off even you hear us. Yeah fuck you gotta cut him off with the bucket. I cut him off constantly like and sometimes people cut me off that. I have no right to coming up but i get why they get the impulse. I also think there's something so important about the fact that you guys are two feet taller than everyone. Just i mean being on of course does looking up physically your superior at that moment if comedians were always in a pit and we're looking down on them i don't think he'd get roast battle more than fit. I saw i think last week and we were talking over each other and would you shut up. like Yeah yeah that's the that's the job is you. You are aware but we also have to. We think that are pretty pretty pretty interesting way. What happens when just comedians. No one else around good. Comedians like Very headliner comedians. And you're all talking. D does it feel can feel like a byzantine desert everyone. There's a weird like like everyone is a bit of a pecking order really. There's like understood. Pecking order like certain guys are leading chris and mullany and kimmy another Over yeah that's that's a good and a tough one and then like hey. Everyone will houses. Wouldn't shootings say a word literally. Don't speak a everyone will defer to dave even including bird even especially rock. Okay i i will defer to him the least defer to dave yes. Because i'll be the first one be like what burger wouldn't even it. Would just you just like give them a path and then once they've made their point then you come in with your points but it is kind of under. It's like a weird animal of well kinda funnier than then. Burwood say dave's funnier rock was it is funny. I will never know. I will never say no. I would obviously say he's funny than besides just like an understood thing and weird so everyone kind of knows. Who's is it based on success you. It's based on success based on because let's say someone rogan's like interesting but let's see i'm trying to think of a doesn't even say someone's not your type of comedy but the very successful like yeah but it's got to be like you have to be smart and have like a trenchant opinion. You have to be like a analysts. I can think of. Yeah all the headliners are generally rogue and dave. Everyone's funny interesting on off stage so it's hard to say who's the what's the even and like joe hang out. It's very much aimed at dave. It's very much like though. I'm telling you know rogan saying if dave's not on the you know if if it's the back bar at the you've you just around you see he gives the right away. Okay no but. I don't think it's like because it's also really interesting to see you know. Yes but i think if those are talking. Dave is understood to be the more interesting in the times. I've been around. It's not like joe's like oh what else missed like but but everyone is like listening. Yeah dave's the he'll give you more than you know it's like at at that. The there was an athlete party. Eddie arsenio burr kind of this. Okay this thing media z's jeff ross. Who held court. Yes okay dave. Now eddie eddie. Yes i was. Kind of making. Eddie hold i would. I would want to hold of so does day. So does i almost cry. The way why 'cause he'd never mattie murphy before the bird nevermind. It was crazy but there was no question. Net eddie murphy. So who was like who do you want. I know but like most people davis eddie murphy right but today today and to me. I wasn't nervous when i met obama. 'cause i'd met eddie murphy. Funny he anywhere is my obama so i was like funny. The pecking order in. You guys is like who want who even who has no but who has the funniest generally who is the funniest taste like if patrice was still alive he he would let dave i but he will. He will let david christopher but like because patrice wouldn't be. That's the thing. I wouldn't be the most successful. Let's say no we'd all know like fucking pitchy promises like fuck fuck and patrice This l. here's this is just me smelling my flowers goodbye. Reading i was in a mental tailspin yesterday because of the election and other personal stuff. I was so grateful. Four and amazed by the spirit padre episode. Weren't we are yes. We still live in a country. That around that has around seventy plus million voters who probably want to see me dead but you be aga gave me thirty minutes relief. Thank you by the way. It was an hour and a half long. So oh who'll dick listen to the emails or dulles and um neil when i spoke to you in austin many many years ago you were incredibly generous with your time and knowledge. I was vaguely aware of her role as creator of the show. But i'm pretty But i'm pretty sure my questions were really really misguided naive. In any case you treated me with respect i bring this up to say it's great that you are trying to work on your patients in tone but from my direct experience you were already working for a solid foundation. Hey lau damn writer. That's from what i'm is. I'm great because that. I use fear padre four. Well it's it's like the father son and holy spirit. Holy spirit padre. Good-bye you've got my name. Is this a good one. My name is muhammad by name is. Because it's that's how it's written my name is mohammed. I'm a grad student in miami and a fan of your podcast. I listen to your reaction to the skin. I found it interesting particularly when bianca spoke of her reaction to the drug and reflected on her black ancestry and how slavery is in her lineage. Do you feel from your experience. That your thoughts on the drug were from your perceptions that you already had of black ancestry just amplified or do you feel you tapped into a stream of thought larger than your own personally as someone who is one hundred percent senegalese and having lived my half living having lived half my life in africa. Cameroon tunisia senegal. He's also claiming tunisia which is rare. If you know anything about my dad why people i feel like african. Ancestry represents a lot more than slavery. The language food music philosophy and religion are way bigger components to the african experience in history. Slavery and racism are horrible but in the grand scheme of black history represents a small part of it. I wonder if the western view of africa and slavery perhaps is what you reflected on when on the wasco. Let me know what you think. Signed muhammad mohammed. So it wasn't you know is is not a well rounded documentary it just talent was of montage motherfucker know mind. That was not the way it was for me was not something i had ever thought. Not this leave of course thinking about slavery and whatever i can tell you something. I can't stop thinking the way it came to me was his if your are just in a really boring waiting room and then all of a sudden a light turns on like wait. We can communicate with one of them and then they just thirty people were like do not forget. Just remember when when you're you're not gonna. This is a very small period of time where we can talk to you when you are gone again. When you're far away from us again just remember this. It was like a message. It didn't it wasn't like africa slavery you know it was really someone trying to get a message to me. I don't know what that means. That just came across so it wasn't you know you're talking about the food in this. It's like we're in two different movies. I like him saying this. Because thinking of slavery. A blip in african history is to me transformative like i never. I've never thought of african history without slavery being like eighty percent of it. Oh really i. Just because i don't i don't i don't richest man that ever lived is from africa. Forget his but he owned like what shai sheldon adelson no five hundred trillion dollars on the. No african is really cool and interesting monster monster. He is like what. How much does he worth crazy. I five hundred trillion. Or was he happy he had a lot of it. That's women like a mental image medieval history. Four hundred four eighteen But after taxes was he's a trump supporter. No so it really. If you do. I walk at least in my trip. It was. this is all logic. This is the reality this is about. Hey you know average more than that. This was a really personal trip on a drug on a route so it it almost has nothing to do with anything he's talking about. It was just what someone was telling me to remember. There's no rhyme or reason to it wasn't i don't think it came from me. It didn't seem like something i had thought. They didn't even seem like them. Visions or thoughts that they were extremely foreign to me. They were not part of somewhere. Even when i was telling you the like Sexual just kind of the issue with men sex and stuff i. I never thought that didn't come from anywhere. Came from somewhere force came from the ancients. I want to say that. I feel about sex and last week's has changed a little. Do you want it feels. It feels too powerful a thing to be frivolous about made today. That literally is what. We're getting end and granted. I did hallucinate. You in rod trying to fuck everyone but by then the cam me. i understood. That was not real. I kind of like this is not happening. But i understood. It was to make the point but the point takeaway is. It's more of a secret thing than we really treated us. And it's weird that that's just a feeling you're having like they did you experience or is it just kind of a feeling afterwards. It's real. I didn't think about it in the thing anything. Yeah it was. It's more it's more it also has to do with energy. And how are you where my crystal are you. The universe wants you knew sent me. Basically roasted may through text messaging like okay rates on schumer's. Oh bull and the sketch the premises that the universe the cosmos millions of years. And it's only for white women it's only there to just give science two white women and they're all like in during like yoga pants like i wasn't gonna fuck him but i'm not the universe i it's just it's more i don't want to hang out with with shitty people. I don't want to hang out with people. I don't wanna i don't wanna i don't know i i even though i was crying about time and shared i think i value my own more now and i already did. I was already superior The period. Now i still can't watch bubis and that is the weirdest thing i've been watching spooky. Should i watched. And i can't really watch. I watch the news but you know. Docs like heavy hitting i. I'd like don't really want to this spooky thing. I just can't explain to you. How weird it is. That is not something that i've ever wanted to stop doing. I like that are some funny. That bijon said what he when we're talking about doing it again. He's like he goes. I don't want to not value money. He's like. I'm afraid that i'll do it to the point where i won't need any possessions and i don't want i feel like if i did it enough. I would turn into that nineties director that gave up everything wasn't shaved back. Yeah he was over like the trees. The trees only take enough water that they need them like. I wanna do not want to be. Yeah i don't want to be is dinners fucking we're not. We're not preaching the gospel of fucking that we use fucking talk about all of them. We would talk about list. It's all it's a. It's plato's retreat. Goodbye here we go our snl a forty year old male. I grappled with the idea of cultural appropriation for several years. It's not that i'm itching appropriate. Anything like other forms of racism. I think cultural appropriation. Israel and cities. It's just that i can't fully wrap my head around it taking someone. Something that doesn't belong to you without paying for it is wrong so copying things from another culture is arguably bad but at its best the us will accept anyone from anywhere with the idea being that diversity inclusion and fusion make a stronger. So shouldn't we try to incorporate things brought from other cultures into the common culture again. I've struggled with this for a long time. This guy's struggling strike people struggle. With hello suicide hotline. What super. I'm struggling with cultural appropriation. Then on one of your pockets. Neil suggested that maybe the right way to think about cultural preparation is through the lens of intellectual property law. I'm an intellectual property lawyer so this made a lot of sense to me massively oversimplifying things. Copyright and trademark law say. You can't copy other people's stuff but there are caveats if something has entered the public domain either through the passage of time or from something being used so much that it enters the common vernacular eg kleenex facial tissue xerox for copying than anyone can copy it without doing anything wrong and both copyrights and trademarks. You only violate the law if you use it in commerce trying to make money of it. So using meals idea Every instance of adopting someone something from another culture constitutes appropriation. Do something wrong. Some would have to take something that hasn't entered the public domain and try to make money off it. So i'm so i'm fine singing. Bob marley songs my kids in my house. But elvis for sure screwed up with this idea in my head and kneels tacit blessing. I felt better. But then in a recent podcast guy wrote in saying that he had broken up with his girlfriend because she got cornrows the suggestion being that she had entangled in cultural appropriation. Hearing this i was sure would say nashi fine. She's not trying to make any money off anyone else's culture she says trying to hairstyle almost certainly looks bad on her But that didn't happen about park That didn't happen But that didn't happen while there's some there's some equivocation neil mostly agree that the government had done something wrong and now i'm lost again neil. You're basing liaison between black people and white people like me. I promise. I mean well. But because i grew up in salt lake city. I'm pretty clueless. Bianca you an excellent job of keeping neil in check and keep me in us. I don't like that. He has a satellite. Both of you it is. Is it always wrong to incorporate things from other cultures this more nuanced than that is it nuance. What are the guidelines does the intellectual property model hold water or not agent wbtv thickset really was a longest letter first of all year. Long lost cousin. He is pretty. We're from the same slot like sandwiches. He is taking something that you know. Just more of like a feeling and emotion experience and he's really putting it through the intellectual. I don't it's taking. I think a cultural judgment with a just a relationship judgment. Which is like if you don't if you're dating a girl that doesn't know not to wear cornrows for civil like that's she's as a liberal she. You're better than her and she's got to go. It's also you know you're you're talking about it. I get why because your intellectual lawyer. But you're talking about in such a sterile way. Intellectual property law curiosity. I light is a culture footbridge. The reason why we we as a culture of coined the term is. Because it's not that everything gets influenced. There's food someone. A large population moves into an area. The food influence as over you can take and give from other cultures. It's so much worse than that. W- the reason why people say cultural appropriation. Because you've literally took taken from black people and they've made fun of black. People made fun of their culture. Fun of just everything disparaging they've done and then when it something didn't let them claim elections go ahead. I'm a waiter drums and they made blues. Then they took they made rock and roll then. They took that away in them to contract. Let's be honest. The black people of credit so. I don't know it's different than kleenex or hoover or cue tips. You know what. I mean. What i i know what. He's saying he's yeah. No i know what he i think of. What he's saying is the struggle is. How are we the girlfriend in the corner. A girlfriend didn't have. You had a corner on girlfriend by the way what girlfriend. She didn't sell anything so why why advised that she break up with the guy wire advises the guy break up with her. Who did that. I did neil neil so why because because because as a liberal and a comedian. I'm superior and i'd better taste and i'm saying taste wise. That's a taste violation of its taste. I don't think anyone's gonna make a huge argument that even the adele thing was a tastes violation. You're just like it wasn't a it wasn't she didn't release an album by the way would sell through the roof a dell gym dance all adele record. Forget it it would be great. But there'd be like my pink floyd side of the mon look look for on the run. You can't you can't play it. I just think the problem is that like people are have been buffoon and make fun of and parodied. Four jews living their life. How they run to and that kind of that. Just feel like that hasn't been fully resolved because even now bloggers aware like their hair. Wrap wrapped go out and everyone kind of makes fun of it. Or it's a little ghetto. Having their hair up. I mean not if you're new york right. That's like this stand. You're in ohio. It'd be like what a mata hari over here. But now that white girls have weaves. Now there's like these hundred dollars satin weave. It just feels a little like it. Just it's it's going to happen. Everyone takes seals from each other. What's that quote steele's still everything. Just make it a little bit better fashion. But i think it's the i think it's just the kind of humiliation and it's just cultural. There's just the red yellow car and then there's just like if you should be able to sell somebody else's called you're right. Elvis is wrong. And bob marley and your kids bedroom is correct but and then the girlfriend. It's superior it's a. It's a cultural tone deafness that i love a lack of good by understanding of like you've got mail. Bianca neil have question was who'd to high level podcasters such yourself out of boy. Berg would be nice enough to ponder as you go through life deciding whether or not to pursue continue relationships. To what extent does the person's financial status determine these decisions are these judgments well informed by the strain By the financial strain the strain financial instability can put on the individual and the relationships or any other personal failing. You think might be more likely to inherit be inherent in the puts a fucking complicated. Are these judgments more. Informed by the strain. Financial instability can put on the individual in their relationships and or any personal failings. You'd think might be more likely to be in hereon in them. Okay obviously me personally. I'm rolling in. I literally hundreds of dollars in the bank since this is a relationship question. I ask that you. Please keep your answers. Sexy eighty hundred. We're gonna we're yeah but it's does. Would you date a broke ass. No absolutely not go on. Here's the thing. I don't need you to have tons of money. You need to be ambitious as fuck. I like ambition. I'm a drag as you envision was well i don't mean they're all you're trying to ambition until it then you realize that it's going to cut into your attention time and then what do you email now. No no. i'm out of my mind. I'm out again. I'm taking up these things out of whole cloth. No i'm writing fucking folktales over here about relationships. Where's fear padre rian bag. No i just. I i guess the thing is in my mind a broke us. Know brazil's. I've dated brooke as soon as i just feel like. There's a age range where you can eat a dude the just fun doing nothing chilin and you can. It's the relationship bond. The crux of it is really about how much fun we have. But that gets old. And i think after certain age you can't even if he's great there's tons of people you're like if i was younger i did but just i guess ambition wise. I just want you to be into doing something just so broke as dude at whatever maybe an older age i mean come on you know no because we have a good heart. You're brave fuck. That no so doesn't mean you. Can't you have to be rolling in dough but broke. No no no no because that means at some point like what are you doing you got. Were you having this like. I don't know where's the money. No i also i would also get. I'm fine getting pre-nup. I don't need your money. I would need to be like. Oh yeah that's right below like let's review the get the alimony revenge. Well yeah so. Let's just signed prenups. Couldn't agree more. I don't. That's why. I'm saying i don't have a woman sign a pre-nup when we match on dating app just to get it out of the way created just immediately. I sent i. What's your email. And then my lawyer sends her pre-nup and then you get it back and realize she lives in highland park. Not worth a thank you. That was a close one. I feel like a dude. Good data broke girl. I don't know how attractive is i feel like a broken her twenty s as like dead. Beat guy a deadbeat girl. Better a deadbeat debbie. Guys you can picture them smoking weed and playing video games a deadbeat girl. It's like she's a yoga instructor or something. Yes she's never. Like may a has dumb plans. She has plans that are like. That's not a thing wants to buy that. I something you know. Yoga's basically like fifteen moves and they all teach the same fifteen months again. I could get into this. Yeah no you're right but the thing is we are as more. We're more gentle with broke women. But if you're broke woman in your forties now. No one wants that will then. Yeah a brogue on. I mean but again broke ward. Not success. not doing anything not doing. Let's just most people aren't destitute. They're just not doing anything so not doing anything garage. I don't if they like did if they had a job. That just didn't pay. I'm not going to be like schoolteacher. Get lost no no no if they had a job if they were good at their job. No that's what i'm saying. There's some people though. I know a lot of people don't know what they wanna do. Well that's were. That's that's a thing that is a little that's hard to get behind at an adult woman was telling me this idea and i was in baghdad and was like that is insane fucking of your mind. You can't no. It's it's not that bad and i just like it's like what it's like. A nineteen year olds idea could you. The problem is a girl that just kind of meandering do i can also just get pregnant. That sounds really harsh. I just mean. I mean fully like you know what would be you. Always the option for women in the way that's not for guys exactly whereas a forty five year old kind of doing nothing woman. She can do that. I feel like a forty year. Doing nothing either without warsi or she did or like a prostitute. Like how could you like what i can. you imagine. you can't even imagine a do nothing. I yeah. I don't having said that. I i guess i kind of imagined do nothing guy that age. Oh yeah i can imagine do nothing. But they're pursuing their dream it just hasn't panned out. I think we kept up pretty sexy. Prostitutes media drama over. Chris pratt probably died down quickly this letter but it does seem to open up a new front on the cancel culture wars. You can now be denounced not for anything you do or say but for what you don't do or say you're not allowed to be silent on which candidate or party or supporting politically or on which side if any you take in some political. 'cause you're not even allowed to be apolitical. Neutrality is suspicious and complicitous meal as a quasi celebrity. You motherfucker though. What do you think about navigating the tricky cultural terrain voice an opinion. And you're some rich out of touch. Hollywood elitist don't say anything and the social justice left suspects you to be a closet conservative again. There's just a massive your conservative thereafter all these anti rhetoric. I don't see it as a problem. I i'm not gonna stop voting for the left. I'm just saying that the left is a huddle gonna be fucking fine. Like i don't know but you're you're right in that it's what kind of country do i wanna live in like emotionally. Tanner exactly the tenor. And that's where. I think the ego comes up like lot of there's a woman named michelle goldberg has writer for the new york times. And his on this podcast called the argument and she's like every day since one has been horrible. I was like every day has been horrible. Like that's where you get into like kind of liberal liberals are better at conservative at self-pity but liberals are fucking amazing itself Pity and i mean you can argue since the pandemic no i would say that from the beginning of time but liberal no. I'm sorry i meant that every day. Trump's in office has been awful. Yep she wasn't but years but for yes yes. Exactly what. I'm saying like so your life isn't it's just you have to watch babies taking their parents. Okay that's really bad for the parents and the kids right but it's for you. It's just a thing that you're kind of part of it. Just the idea that that somehow aggrieved her. that's a liberal stoop. So so my thing would liberals is. I'll be. I mean like you were saying i'll be like it's not gonna my tax below. It's it's it's warm out of like what the what kind of music is playing great. What kind of what do you by. We're going out tonight like should we go like yeah. Meal loves edm. So we're going to that people think it's a joke but if you think i'm not if you don't if roy boys instagram last night t. r. o. y. b. Who's roy. He is a guy and i. I'm trying to get his song in a new gatorade commercial and he's fucking great and i don't know any it never heard of them before like two weeks ago idiom versions of thinking i if if yes i i'm open to it so i don't think it's stupid but also this thing of like celebrity. Shut the fuck up. Donald trump's celebrity. You fucking so. That's the thing it's like this again. This giant like cultural interesting all these transplants. Where my nails and hammer okay. What you're saying though is the lady who didn't like obamacare. it's the same thing She's like yeah. Drinks are cheaper in this bar buffoons better but like he like her more in the bar. It's it's her home turf. No i mean the the bar. That's better everything. She doesn't like the music the people they're stuck up but the other one more expensive not as good all everyone's wearing boots and it's cheers. Women are wearing this horrible sandals that are also high heels one wedges. No but they're like they're real florida they're like sandals but they have heels on them and they're so gross well we look up sandal handle high. He'll flip flop. Heels appeals flip flop heels. Show me flip flop heels. Bang those so. Those are the one rocket dog crush black webbing flip-flop ten as a liberal. I despise them like like Like conservatives despise high taxes. let's Like i know about them. Searle's gross. no they're so gross. And that's the way we've you one that like the that such specific of heroin. It's right it's so rose so it just speaks to like you've no taste. You have no clue like it's all the liberal should been saying like you have no. I can't begin to tell you what's wrong with those. That's immigration to a liberal is an those heels so so yeah let's see one last one Been by Stephen i think got beyond the so long. Run down the headline. Oh this guy. It's more political. We might be kind of out and he wanted us to talk about. Jeffrey toobin jerking off. I mean i will say the thing about zooms. That's not what happened. But that double click for. Did he end up drinking off. What happened was he. They were in like a sidebar of zoom. Like we're gonna take whatever like you. Is that team. Go to a sidebar So he's in a sidebar room. His zoom was like open but like pointing at nothing and he was watching porn on another computer or his phone and they could all hear it. Oh i got. When he came back he was like fixing his dick. Like back to a regular schedule program. Yeah like there's some adjustments that need to be made you would never understand. I like like the giuliani thing. And that's and now you. That's a to me kind of an honest mistake. It's gross it's gross. But it's an honest mistake and he but he has a history of stuff but meanwhile the history is he just had a fair with somebody work with like. but that's not. They're they're kind of apples and oranges. Yeah it's like. He's not some liberal ship close enough okay. Do you think if it was a woman. Woman is thinking of a. I remember jane mayer. No one cares the something. Whoever whatever cnn punt like just pick any yeah no no one cared. He's he was doing it a new yorker. It'd be funnier event. Jane mayer be very funny. The one does. She writes like all the dark money. Stuff about trump. she's like fucking killer but it's new yorker show just wrong place wrong time every once in a while white people are in the wrong place at the wrong time and the and he was in a liberal sidebar. Jerk off do you. What does the jewish in. What's a an industry. Where even if it's an honest mistake. God let you go. Well turns out. Comedy neal brennan said why Yeah i mean. I think all of them at this point anything honest mistake if you were to factory and you behind the boxes. I don't think you're gonna get in trouble now. But i also think if it's like a liberal ethos that runs the place like that's the the tethered to a liberal doing it in the liberal hall of justice. You're doing in the fucking temple of liberalism. There's no there's nothing more liberal. It's a liberal magazine. One hundred twenty years old. But it's been great the whole time or the wrong place to jerk off. The people love jerking off. And that's what i can we say about. That's the that's what the world was this week to me All right well thanks for coming. Everyone and last time. I checked me beyond good. We thought we had to take this shit. But i just got attack saying we don't take the goodbye play. Play the song well be key is a theme your relationship. One dollars scared. Y'all that why not rea- noten offense shop fraud sweet. Got to apply put relationship.

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