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Big Brother Canada 8 | March 14 | Overnight Update

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Big Brother Canada 8 | March 14 | Overnight Update

"Every morning Terry Armstrong dropping. Yes again all this John and GM. Sandy said that he could do tomorrow. We'll do it again. Hello everyone and good morning. Welcome to our live feed update for March fourteenth. I'm Aerostat Armstrong and with me today is Matt. I'm good I'm happy to be back here on a big brother update feeling. It's been a while. I think I was around a little bit for maybe twenty one but either way feels really good to be talking about a fun. Good season of big brother again. I had some fun twenty one but not most of it so happy to be here. Yes Are you are you in quarantine right now I mean from here on I might be but I don't know still kinda going to work. I guess out of my house to get food and not not more than like yeah. I think we're all obviously hoping that they stay safe. There At the Big Brother House but also hoping that they don't go away so that there's still things to do. Yes definitely a little worried about that. But trying to not let fear completely. Take over my life and everyone's life so let's let's run with it. Let's talk about what's happening here. On the fan's it was day fourteen in the house yesterday and it was an interesting day. So obviously what we had here on. The Big Brother candidate feeds. That Sheldon has won the H. O. H. and the night before he did talk about how he wanted to put up and Mattie and then maybe use Angie as a replacement nominee in case he needed upon but also mentioned that you know if if men starts meaning then then maybe maybe would consider putting men on the block as a back door target. So that's kind of where we stood from last night we started the day with a lot of the stuff that we have already talked about yesterday with men going around causing trouble with. Carol and Jomar Angie but we also had maddie talking with. They were worried about going up on the block. Now they've been kind of given a heads up by Jomar that Sheldon wants to wants to wants a girl to go he says. I don't think I've heard Sheldon say this but I think that what happened was was speculating about what sheldon might want to do. Which he's been doing a lot since sheldon one and sort of like feeding this information to to matty and re is going to be doing. I think keeping an eye on Jomar throughout the day is going to be important here because he's very close to shell them and so he's sort of sort of using that to feed information to matty and re throughout the day he's also kind of pissed at. Shell which I think is why. He's feeding information to mattingly throughout the day because you want. Sheldon to not target Matt Injury but instead target Kyle and Chris Sheldon is not doing that and so we're gonNA see the play out throughout the day here a lot to unpack your from the past couple of days from the season as a whole. I'll start off by saying I was not excited when I saw the Sheldon One. H I did not want to see somebody in such a safe position. I mean that age. Oh was literally designed for somebody in the Sheldon's position to win. But I didn't. I wasn't happy about the result. I wanted to see some kind of power shift or something where the people in that majority alliance got shaking up a little bit. They had a pretty good first week. Everything was nice and comfortable. Ideally for me. It wouldn't just be kicking off another person from the smaller group but either way so this is where we are now and agreed that. Jamal is completely key player in this week. And just somebody to certainly keep an eye on. He's him and Sheldon. Been a very interesting to watch and like unbelievably refreshing. Because I mean I think you know I'm sure you guys have covered it plenty but just to have two young black men like like talking about like strategizing and being good players in this game. You don't get that very often and it's so nice to see that on like like not. They're not out I I. It's just a complete change of pace really refreshing to see them interacting and talking about the game and not being targeted right away. It's awesome Jomar had a good week last week on being included in the plan he was you know all of them were included in the plan about back during Michael and now this week it just feels like it's kind of sheldon and Brooke and other people are keyed into what's going on but they're not as involved in the planning process so you can tell that people like John Maher and here are like maybe. Can we have our say at all or you guys doing what you guys are doing so not everybody's totally satisfied with the way that things shaking down so far yes and Jomar is going to have a conversation with sheldon where he's talking about Kyle and Sheldon says? Look I I know for a fact that Kyle is not coming for you. I know I know it and you put your Mars like you. Can't we can trust anything. He says this guy he. He lied to them about all this all week about he knew ahead of time. You lied on his kids and put Sheldon's like no I'm telling you it's not even just what he says. It's his demeanor. It's the way that he talks to us. It's the logic of his position Like he's not he's not coming for you Jimar but But still not just not having it it Sheldon Sheldon says okay. Well look. This is my plan. I WANNA put Mattie re on the block. They're the only people that put balls in Brooks Tube in the competition. I've never talked game with them once this entire time. And so that's what I WANNA do. I am going to pick for Vito so if I get house goes choice. I'll pick you to play for me right now. I don't want veto to be used but I'm still considering options for a back door. So we'll we'll talk it through if it happens and so that's that's Jamaa has been filled in on the plan and this whole time you can tell that sheldon you know. The plane seemed obvious from the second you saw sheldon one H H. He knew we knew that the nominees were probably going to be mad amory. It was just two people that he didn't connect with the first week. Might as well make easy move. Obviously he's good with the rest of the house. They all feel comfortable with him from last week going into this week. So of course these nominees made sense but I think as time has gone on especially the past twenty four hours and then once sheldon actually made his nominees and nominations and now going into a competition today. I think he's opening his mind. A little bit to other possibilities or just thinking about like what if so. I don't know if this week will necessarily shake out as exactly how it seems to be. Obviously if the veto doesn't get one by one of the nominees I think it probably will but I think his mind is opening up a little bit and I like that because I don't again I don't feel great about it just being as cut and dry. It seemed well. Jomar is going to give maddy again tomorrow. Really leaking information from Sheldon quite quickly is going to quickly go into tell matty that shell shells. Probably going to put you up. And and so matty gets a little bit of a heads up there sheldon also going to talk with J. L. He's GonNa talk with most people throughout the day but jails and important one because sheldon is really trying to real jail in the the goal here is that by taking a shot at matting. He encourages jail to separate himself. Distance himself from his previous Alliance Brooke is very close to jail and he feels like with Brooks help. They can pull him in. Kyle's been working on him. They can use him as a number or at least somebody. That isn't going after them. And then they can. Then at that point they don't have to waste more time going after the remnants of the victors and they can focus on some of the other wild cards in the house like heroes and men and Jomar and so he's trying to real jail in here he says. I have no reason to ever target you. Mail I I. I can't even imagine a scenario where I made your wage and I'm like J. L. You have to be on the block and I feel like you think the same way I think I can't imagine you ever doing that to me. And jails like yes. Of course they talk through the previous week about like what happened. And who knew when so on and so forth and jails like totally understanding about. I get it man like you. You did what you had to do like. It was the way things went. Man and shells tells says you're good this week feel confident but don't tell anyone on tell anyone that you're good yeah. I don't know how jail ended up in one of the best positions in the house. I mean he's completely he. He's not a target by absolutely anybody left in the game. That people who were coming after him and his his his group last week his best friend in the house they've every single one of them have completely shifted their views on him and just don't see him as a threat and a lot of that is on him on him. Doing good work you can. I literally had the feet up at one point and it was matting. Rian in one room complaining about the fact that nobody likes them and talks to them and then j. l. sleeping on the couch or napping hanging out in the room with everybody else so jails obviously taking steps to just be around the other people show his presence there be somebody that they feel comfortable just even talking the slightest bit of game around if anything at all and then. The girls just aren't really doing that. They talk a lot about how they should and then they never do so they can take some notes from him but he's he's done some he's done some good work to get himself into a better spot truly. There's not really anybody going after jail right now and so that that's good for him for now. This house is very fluid though. So we'll see. Shell is also going to go and talk with Kyle. And he's so. He gives him the rundown of what's happening. He says that he gave Jail the heads up that he should be good this week. But you know what if jail ends up telling Rian Mattie the thing that he said not to say which is that he should feel confident. This week and that he won't be going on the block it'll just backdoor jail is. He can't trust him so it's a good test as well and so they talk about how kyle needs to work on and here are they continue to go to sheldon saying that. They don't trust Chris and Kyle and needs to keep working on them but the problem here for Sheldon is that here up is just. He needs so much maintenance in the relationship. It's just too much. He can't handle it and so he can't get here off of Kyle's back and so he's pushing kyle to just just kyle please just win next week. Just just win takeout takeout. Here get this guy off my back. I can't I can't work this guy. It's too much and here has been for a lot of the day coming in being like. Hey are you gonNA listen to me like I need to be listened to? It's gotTa Be Kyle and Sheldon in Brooklyn Sue of just had to have been like I don't know if it's the right move right now. Let's talk about it later. And it's just it's happening over and over and he's really digging himself a whole last week. I talked about how Sheldon in Brook. Were not reading the room when in Dhamar. We're talking about wanting to go after kyle and Brooke was on the block and they needed their votes. But now it's the complete opposite here. Indra Mar are not reading. The Room Sheldon is one in power. They don't have the cards anymore and so they need to read the room and go. You know what okay. I'm willing to play ball with you in our alliance but it's not happening in so sheldon wants kyle to go after here but it is freaking. Kyle out enough. That he's like well. What happens if free wins the veto? And Kyle Kyle feels like it's got to be here all right like you gotta take the shot at Hero Sheldon though doesn't really WanNa do that. If he puts up here here is GONNA freak out. He's going to blow up the fake five that they have. It's just it's too. It's too bloody. It's too much blood on his hands. Sheldon thinks men is the smarter. Move Man is also somebody that could take a shot at Kyle or Chris or even himself Minnesota wild card. She sews chaos everywhere she goes. He's also tired of having to deal with her in the house. She's very very much. Not The kind of player that sheldon can like deal with well and so Sheldon relief that men is the better option? Kyle does try to push a little bit further. But ultimately the argument is better for men and so he's willing to take the loss on that one and so this is this is further pushing toward veto is used men really could go up on the block. The what's so fun about this. This house this big alliance. This season in general is the fact that there are so many small groups of four and five within this. Some of them reeler. Some of them faker. Some of them just completely made up in people's heads so everybody looking at the group that they think is their core here. Thinks he's in Sheldon's core. Everybody thinks that they are in as tight as possible with Sheldon with Sheldon and Brooke. And then when you go to sheldon and you say hey obviously we gotta get Chris. Outta here right like Jomar saying all that stuff and then you have hero. Who's saying you know a sheldon? We gotta get Chris Out. Whoever it is that is throwing all these names. Unsheltered is good with everybody. You see that from the competition. That's why he's h h right now because he's good with literally everybody and the move making this week is because it makes sense for every group that he's involved in or you know quote unquote involved in. So it's a lot of people are having a hard time seeing that and then you have. People like hero. Who wasn't able to play last week? He was on the block and people weren't talking with him as much and that's kind of opened up a little bit over the past couple of days so I think he really appreciates that. That has more room to put his input in but it's still not going as well as he would've liked because people aren't genuinely taking his suggestions they have their own game plan so hard to blame them for that and wrapping up. Men does seem to be the person that's on the outs of all that will likely be the replacement nominee that makes most sense to me. I guess I'm surprised at this point. That doesn't put more resistance when that gets talked about because he has heard men's name come up a lot and I know that this whole season has been a lot of Jomar saying I'm GONNA PUT UP ANYWAY. If I win. H H in men's saying the same thing about your mar but at the end of the day they can't genuinely want the other person out of the game and I have to imagine now I mean jammers already a little upset. Because the whole thing where he was told that he can't that he's not getting picked. His house gets choice sheldon anymore. Yeah so jars already upset about that and if it ends up with men getting put on the block from Sheldon I just can't imagine this relationship between Jamaica and Sheldon is going to stay as good as it is now. I mean now kid again. The can't be what you're more wants right now. Honestly at this point it seems like he's more upset about the veto which we will get then men. The possibility been going on block but I do. I do find this interesting. A lot of people have been sort of wondering like why is Sheldon so much more loyal to kyle than to Jomar or hero or some of these other people that he's working with but like just just it. It seems so clear to me watching the different interactions that he has with kyle or with. Jomar that Kyle is just so much more aligned with the kind of game play. That sheldon is good at like. I think that it's the right contrast here to look at right is last week Sheldon. Had disagreements with both both sides both people that he was aligned with both with Jomar and with Kyle his disagreement with Kyle was kyle wanted to bring in Riek. He wanted to reel her in. He wanted to work her. He wanted to take out J. L. Sheldon disagreed with this plan. He thought regained. He was dangerous. He didn't have a relationship with he would rather pull in J. L. because he has a relationship with him they went back and forth about it. Kyle was aggressive about it. He really continued to try to convince Sheldon. But when it came down to it what they said was you know what I think. We both have good reasons and world. We'll just kind of whoever wins H. We'll just go along with that. Other person's plan his argument with Jimmy. Maher last week was I want to go after Kyle and sheldon trying to convince him. That's not a good plan using logical arguments but Jomar completely ignores all of Sheldon's logical arguments and says no I'm going after Kyle. That's just how it is man. Then we get to this week again. He Sheldon has a disagreement with Kyle. Kyle we just talked about it. Kyle once here to be back door it if possible but at this point he's already said you know what I'm with you. Now you've convinced me logically that res the better option to go and I will work with J. L. U. Like. I'm going to do that. And then when they argue about here versus men again kyle is willing to back down when Sheldon presents the better case this week when. Kyle's talking to you jomar. It's still the exact same thing over and over. Sheldon Earth Sheldon Sanjar Sheldon is trying to convince Jomar. Don't go after Kyle. It doesn't make any logical sense. Uses every single possible logical argument. He can use to convince Jumar not to do this. And Jomar just says I'll just do it myself then. I'm going to win next week. I'm going to do it myself. Sheldon can't work with a person like that. Like Kyle is a much more logical player and he can talk with him. He can argue with him and they can come to a conclusion based on logical arguments sheldon is not somebody that makes emotional arguments. He's not a very emotional player and so he. He relies on logical rational people around him in order to play the game. Well we saw you'll on survivor talk about wanting to play with rational logical players because they're more predictable they're easier to play with and I think that's exactly where Sheldon sits in the game and when you start to think about it like that. I think that the entire dynamics of the house start to make a lot more sense. Especially when you look at Vanessa as somebody who is sitting there in their conversations she is a very non logical player but she's just sitting there being quiet hoping that they don't realize that she's a non logical player meanwhile she's looking for other non logical players to come break up the scary logic that's going in front of her right and so so. I really feel like there's A. There's a big divide in this house between these like more emotional players and the more logical players and I'm finding that really interesting and I don't even know if I mean at the end of the day if I would consider. Kyle illogical player. I don't have a whole lot of praise for him in general but God no yeah I i. I don't think that he is a hot head and I think that he is emotional but he. He plays with the coldness he. He's willing to swear on his kids because it doesn't matter to him he's willing to again like argue logical points and back down when somebody has a better argument which is different than the kind of like emotional. That Jomar is Jomar basis. His game moves on instinct gut feelings. That's not really KYLE DOES KYLE. Kyle tries to operate on a more logical basis. And I'm not saying the Kyle is nearly as logical as sheldon but in comparison to somebody like here or Demar who just continues to push forward with. The same argument doesn't even respond to different logical cases. You can really see the difference when you contrast the different conversations that Shell has with them either way. Obviously you have fifteen. People still left in the game right now. They all have the same path moving forward that makes the most sense to them. Tiles does seem to line up the most sheldon so and sheldon comes to him and says hey. This is the plan that I think makes the most sense and like you said he comes to him with logical explanations and reasoning with all that stuff kyle is on the same path as him so it makes sense. Jomar isn't exactly on the same path. He has different people that he feels tighter within that he's well more connected with and that he feels like would benefit his game more. So there's different ways that your mar wants to go with this lineup sheldon as much kyle. So I can understand why that's frustrating for Sheldon because obviously people kyle and Brooker are very much more willing to go with the logic in his head and of course to every single player in the game. The the plan in their head makes the most sense. But you can't always do the people that are adapting well based on who's in power are the ones that are doing better so far and Jomar is hitting a little bit of a roadblock without because he's not doing super well at adapting to the fact that sheldon saying no to the plans that he's coming up with so we'll see how this goes if matty and reinstate on the block. There's not much debate here. It's going to end up being a pretty close case. It doesn't seem like many people. Were pushing for Matty to go. Everybody seems to want ran out at this point but there are still people like here and Jomar who are not happy with this plan is happening in the first place and if this plan stays in place these to stay on the block it could just lead to tomorrow and hero. Who or whoever distancing themselves from Sheldon and saying all right again you know sh Jabbar's already saying this next week I'm just GonNa win and I'm going to go after myself. There's nothing you can do to stop a so. The division might start to just become more clear as time goes on especially. If there's no change this week so shell is. GonNa talk with men. She asks him if she's going up on the block. He says no she's like but also as a bad he says when I say no I mean no for the for the whole time and she jumps on him and she kisses him. She's so I mean. Obviously he's lying to her. He talks to her about how she's a wildcard in the house and she says to me. You're a wildcard sheldon. And I find that really interesting because again these are so diametrically opposed styles of Gameplay that for Sheldon obviously men is a massive wildcard but for men Sheldon is wild because he's so logical and she's so know I this is not the best descriptors like logical versus emotional. It's more like like maybe tactical verses instinctual cerebral versus versus gut instinct. Something like that and she just can't read him at all the exactly. She had no idea what he's thinking exactly and so they they just have such a hard time like personally they get along fine but in the game they just cannot like work together. It just doesn't it doesn't work. They're both wildcards to one another and found that really interesting Rian. Mattie are going to spend some time complaining about their situation in the house in particular. They're upset with Brooke Because they feel like the only reason Brooke is in good with these guys because she's so flirty with them. She's always flirting always. They didn't talk about her putting her head on her bond people's shoulders but I don't know where maybe they got this from Michael in jail but They find it a little gross and they think that the only reason they're in trouble is because Brooke Likes J. L. and so therefore she's convinced Sheldon to leave jail out of it and so that's why they're in trouble and not not J. L. and Shell scared of Kyle. So that's why he's not going after Kyle at least from what you're saying yesterday it seems like maybe there are a couple of people in the House that think. There's some kind of romantic thing going on with Sheldon Brooke or maybe that was just a just Jim. Are that thinks that or maybe since the girls are talking about how broke his flirty or whatever it is that maybe people do think that they spend a lot of time together. Obviously so I don't know if that's something that people aren't talking about as much but I guess I wouldn't have expected that being the perception of coming into the season. Obviously she has this persona about her where she does try to be. You know like cutesy with with everybody. It's not just the guy she is. She acts like that with everybody. But you know I see how that's frustrating them because they're in their head. They're like all right. We're we're not do anything. Why are people coming after us in Brooks just getting her way by being friendly? But hey that's Brooke having a social game you play big brother so the girls are really spiraling here. Yeah Yeah I mean. They're they're talking to the chat here. It's ridiculous and I agree. It's ridiculous the amount of shame shaming. The Brooke has received from other houseguests for what they're calling flirting when she's definitely not flirting. It's just who she is. She's just being herself versus. The amount of like very aggressive. Blatant flirt flirting. That's been going on in the house from the men to women who don't want it. Chris Jomar in particular who are just very aggressively flirting with people like sue boyfriend and doesn't want them to but nobody is talking about that as a negative thing even though that's actual flirting and with people who don't want kyle tile isn't like flirting with anybody but then he says are very disgusted saying those names but I was like it's a weird or situation there. You can't really say he's flirting with them. But he's definitely saying things to people that he should not be saying and make people uncomfortable or at least make me uncomfortable watching it so yes so so. That's that's what they were talking about there. It should be pointed out that talking about Brooke and Sheldon Brooke has expressed that she does have. Here's here's how you know that Brooke is like not really like flirting with other people. She has a big crush on on Sheldon. She's told this to sue and you can see that like like she's she's hanging out with them all day. She's spending a lot of time with sheldon just kind of like looking at him longingly. At times every time he mentions. How ATTRACTIVE RE is. She like a little piece of for the dies inside. It seems and and so like there's something there that the houseguests are a little bit like. Seeing Jomar does ask Sheldon at one point in the day like you and Brooke is that is that a thing But Sheldon says no definitely. It's not and he's down. This is not. This is not a thing. Where after the season you're going to be like oh like now it's just not a thing and I gotta say I kind of believe Sheldon on this. I'm and I think Brooke sees it that she's already said. I'm not really his type. That's not really what we're here for. Anyway. And I. I think if anybody was sheldon's type if there's anything that's going to happen after the season it would it would be sheldon re given how much he talks about how attractive he finds her. I'm GonNa Take Sheldon's worried when he was talking to Ikea. Preseason when he said I'm not here for showman's is like the only girl that I want is the one that's GonNa get me closer to whatever the prizes so I fully have like. I have any thoughts. That sheldon is there for a showman's like I don't think even if he was an option to him. I don't think he would really doing it in the game. Yeah but but like the show speculation but it does have relevance in the House because the the point is that Brooke is coming in and out of that room constantly just popping down in the middle of conversations just hanging out with Sheldon. They even took a nap together at one point and and then people left the room and then they woke up. They're like where did everyone go? And so they're not hiding their relationship at all. We've talked about this before that. They talk openly like in the middle of the House about game together like quietly. Nobody can hear them but people can see them talking game in the middle of the House and I do think this is gonna come back to bite them. I really do. It's not going to harm than this week. There in power. Nobody's really talking about it too much. But they're very very closely linked. Now probably more so than anybody else in the house. And I do think that's going to be a problem for them even with a secret alliance. The thing about what worked with the bomb squad slash the detonators slash. The hitman was that Qodian Derek waited until like everyone was asleep to have their like they. They debriefed at the end of the day privately and then during the day they were separate you know they did come together obviously but nobody really saw them as as the pair that they were which really helped out especially in the endgame and I think I think that this is this is this is cause for concern. I think they should be trying to separate from each other a little bit but the problem is that there's so comfortable with each other and they're both introverts and so they just gravitate toward one another so often and if there is any kind of that romantic feeling from Brooke to Sheldon I. It's hard to blame her for wanting to be around him and I don't know if there is a did you say she has said something about that she said. She says she has a bit of a crush on hand heart. If given the option she'd probably go for not in the house but maybe but there is going to be an option. She doesn't think he's that into a hard to blame her for for being around. I mean you're you're trapped in a house you wanNA stick around the people you like and you have a crush on somebody in the house and you're working really well with them. Of course you're going to be around them a lot coach Derek. I don't think had a crush on each other. So they were a little bit more separated but agree day. They do have to keep an eye on this going forward and now coming out of this week where they will have a room where it's just like it. Seems like they're layer that they can just go and hang out together in strategize together. I assume that kind of dissipate a little bit going forward You know for sure something to keep an eye on now. We are going to take a quick break for our sponsors and we'll be right back and we're back so let's get back to the show so they are going to have a meeting of the fake five Sheldon Brooke Suj- and Hero Jomar every time the five of them get together the first thing he's name name we need a name and now they haven't trim they're finally going to be able to talk about a name and the name that they settle on is five out which is basically the first suggestion that they had days ago But never had time to confirm it but I am not a basketball person. I do not know these terms but apparently the way that Sheldon describes it. It's a it's a strategy and basketball where the it's very effective very difficult to stop if you have the right players Where it's the players spread out. And they're all like offensive like sort of aggressive. I don't know but they spread out and it's very hard to stop if you've got the right combination of people that's kind of how. Shell and describes it and they're like that's perfect. That's perfect would be perfect if if it wasn't a fake alliance right so that's the name it five. He lets them know the plan. It's going to be re and Mattie you can see the steam in here is is as the plan is being described. And it's not kyle but but that's the way it is. Five out is in some kind of like when they named survivor tribe after their friend back home stuffed animal. Whatever that was. And you're getting. You're you're getting completely fooled multiple Both tomorrow and Sheldon I think here also knew the meaning of the term so unless they all have the same stuffed animal. I think. We're good famously. I guess neither of US are big basketball. Guys as the hockey stuff is all right by me. So Hey we're all in lockdown so who cares and for for the record this was not Sheldon's suggestion sheldon was just describing the term sheldon in. This conversation was having none of it. He didn't even want a name. Like it was very clear. Sheldon was just like maybe we just don't have a name. Maybe I mean that would be fine to like or maybe we just changed all the time like he was not he didn't even want to name it at all. But Jamaa really wanted to Jamaica. I believe is the one that suggested five. That goes back to what I was saying earlier. These guys want some kind of control. They WANNA feel like they're a part of something and sheldon is a is involved in everything but these guys are like give us something. Give us a name. Give us an alliance. Give us something till we feel good about this group and I guess did they technically like land on that being their name or did they put their hands in five. We'll see shall is going to talk with Carol. He says I love you. I feel we haven't talked enough game and that's on me and I WANNA talk more game from here on. That's really exactly what Carol needs to hear. Sheldon is definitely making some inroads with Carol who previously had been a bit anti Brooke. Maybe a little bit anti Sheldon after all of the Vanessa influence but she's warming to Sheldon for sure here over the last few days. Michelle fans also. GonNa talk with Vanessa. He fills her in on the plan. And Vanessa Vanessa. Yeah definitely one hundred percent. You're amazing love it. And he says he's. He's really impressed with three. He talks to re and she's just like super warm and like but also terrifying and really hot and he's very impressed by her and she needs to go she's too good she's too good so maybe that has something to do with it while he wants her out so bad. Maybe she's distracting him and I don't know I mean because I keep thinking to myself like why is he going after these people? You know the girls in particular. I know that everything that we said it makes the most sense for him to have nominated them. But I'm like they also would be very willing to work with him. You know someone on the side but maybe he feels like he can't manage like everybody in the house plus them as well. Yeah there's too much yeah I mean. Basically what he said too broke to. Everybody is that he has. He has a working relationship with every player in the house except for Rian Mattie and they have never made an effort to come and talk to him and so like he's he is. He is the kind of player like that. Those relationships are really draining to him. And that's why he's like get out of here. I can't handle this I like. I've talked about like Tyler and Big Brother Twenty and how. He was really drained from having to manage Caitlyn and Sam all of these people. He did it though but eventually he started to like. Lose control of all of these balls. Juggling Sheldon is very proactive. In like I know I can't handle this so I need to just drop these. I'm there's too many people I'm connected to. And he does. The thing also is that sheldon wants to be winning things all the time and so he can't be betraying people left and right and so he's trying to to get into a position where he doesn't have to be and so re and Matt again the only people that he wouldn't be betraying by targeting because he out spread out in the house right now So and I think that also he finds like I listened to the conversations. Free has sheldon especially in comparison to Mattie and see what he's seeing like. She is so much better than daddy when it comes to like. Oh I shall I completely understand. It is totally fine. Like I love you still on a personal level like obviously we haven't gotten a chance to get to know each other as much but I really hope that we changed that in the future and I will not be going after you and I'm not the same as Mattie like she you know she really goes out there and she. She's she does. She does her own thing but I really hope that we can make something work Mr Psycho like. That's she's good. He's really is in control of herself. And I mean Sheldon's obviously a superfan I've been making comparisons. I don't even think I tweeted at once but it just in my head of the four. That were on the outs. Last week I felt like they were similar to the real deal from bb can six. Obviously Jesse goes early there. Michael just went early so now have those three. Who If you do forget about them? This early on look where those three ended up and be begin six. They were the final. Three Harris won the game. So I don't know if Sheldon thinking that terms at all but like I'm sure that has to somewhat factor in that if he doesn't take care of these people now then who's to say that they're not going to go all the way. He knows that his alliance is imploding on itself already from last week into this week so they are going to eventually go after each other and then if those three aren't are still in the house they are probably GonNa skit on by so again. I do understand why he's doing this. It does make sense but it's just it's how well sheldon is played so far that he has every option in the book available to them. Yeah and to really make the point clear about Vanessa. And how she communicates like Sheldon is talking about re. And he's like this is just how Vanessa. She's she's like a person that is constantly like. Yeah and like like repeats your point back to you all the time. He's like. Yeah I was talking with her and she said that she's not she doesn't play like he does like yes. She doesn't play like Mata's and he's like an coldly staring me down. I was like man this. This is hot. Yes she is so hot and he's like he's she's I mean she's got to go and she's like yeah. She does go man for sure. That's that's just went as and that's that's how she like. She's very good at it. That's how she's been able to hide now. Works on people like Chris. But that's not GonNa work on Sheldon well but it doesn't work on Sheldon in the sense that like he's doesn't see Vanessa as an ally but it does hide who she is from Sheldon like this is like if Jomar or men or whoever went to sheldon and was like and just agreed with everything Sheldon said even though they secretly disagreed like they'd be in a much better position because sheldon wouldn't realize that they have different modes of thinking. And so like Vanessa just never offers any real opinion and for to anybody really and so there she's again. She's disabled to Ditto back to whatever whatever somebody shows her she just holds up the mirror. She's like this is me. I'm you I'm exactly you. And so that's that's just like how she's how she's operating in the game and it's effective in terms of hiding her from the logical players. Who if they knew her true thoughts would be terrified of her yeah? I was surprised last week. When I saw that Brent gave or one and I was like did I miss. I mean I know that she had a lot of flip floppiness like I didn't I wasn't Able to pay close attention to the first week but I looking back. I still felt like she was at least. I don't know a little bit higher than that. I guess there are certain parts of her where I'm like eventually. If people see this about her they if they realized that she's not giving them any and all that kind of stuff then she eventually end up not being somebody that they don't feel good about so sheldon whether whether Sheldon Chris. I mean the fact that she's still having to reassure people that she's like Ben Super Tight with since day one and they don't like she has to keep checking in with them. That makes me a little confused. While that's like she she again. It's like maybe the Ditto is things to specific. It's like it's like she is. It's like she is a couple of children's stacked on top of each other in a trenchcoat talking with a bunch of adults when she's with Sheldon and Kyle and Brooke and she's just like trying to trying to like make them not realize that she's a bunch of children's tacked on top of each other can trenchcoat and then when she goes with other people like Chris or Carol or men than she she can take off the trenchcoat. She's like actually kids home game plan for this. She's just like her entire. Motivation is to just remain hidden and have everyone not be mad at her for being who they want her to be. And so that's like there's no actual like overarching strategy here. It's just it's just like trying to trying to make sure that nobody catches the fact that she's actually children that works for me. And I mean just overall point Vanessa and all these women are giving me so much more than anything. We got from the women last season. And I'm sure they're not listening so I don't feel feel feel pretty free to say that but oh my God. These women are whole. It's so good to have hope like half the cast then entire half the cash you didn't have last year so Shadow it's all them so over. The course of the day sheldon had been talking about how he was going to going to choose. Dramatic to play in the veto. He couldn't choose kyle because that would expose their relationship so he felt like Damore would be a good pick. It's kind of throwing Jamora bone But over the course of the day Brooke convinces a sheldon that she should be the one. That's chosen to play in the veto because they just took down the EXPEDIA board which they thought was going to be for the upcoming wage but wasn't and so now they're anticipating you know what it's probably veto. It's probably going to be some kind of prize veto. Where you win a trip from expedia and so. That's all the studying that they've done. It's not for the going to be for the veto and Brooke knows that stuff better than anybody or better than most people at the very least in Dreux Mar doesn't tomorrow does not know these things and he's been pretty open about that. So so sheldon was like you know what you're right. I'll I'll show you to play in the veto that way. We can have a little bit more control over the outcome if you win. A It's the logical choice chaplains illogical player however when he tells Jomar about this logical choice. Jim is paced. Jomar is is steaming from this that he is supposed to be able to compete in this veto he was supposed to be chosen by shells and now he's being told that Brooke is going to compete. And so here. Here's a funny series of events so Jomar finds out that he's not competing in the veto then sheldon is going to quickly tell matty and re that they're going up on the block. It's very very quick conversations very to the point like you'd expect from Sheldon re comes out of the conversation with Sheldon. She goes down. She talks with Jimmy Maher she goes she says. Tamar well shell just told me he's he's putting me on the block and that's great. He just told me that he's not picking me to play in the veto. I can't believe him like Shh. Shh He's going on the block and dreamers like. I don't get to play in the veto which is much worse. Much worse three. They think it's going to be expedia but it's not gonna be it's not gonna be people need to effing listen to me every time they don't listen to me. I'm always been right Bro. I'm not an effing idiot bro. I know what's going to happen. I want to compete. I can't believe it's not just issues you know. No it's It's it's it's not going to be this thing it's going to be named dislike man yeah. That's that's sucks for you. Are you saying earlier about reading the room right? Guestroom are needed a little bit of help with that. Yeah that was funny. I was definitely watching that part. But I mean in terms of the expedient general I do feel like they're onto something when they're talking about how it's like the room from last year. It is the exact same roof from last year where I don't think it's GonNa mean anything until later. In the season power gets unlocked. Going to mean the competition. For this week it would have been the age but it wasn't so I guess after this they'll probably realize that it has nothing to do with anything going on right now unless I'm wrong and this is the competition but I do feel like it's going to be like maybe the board changes next week and they have to keep remembering things about the board and then by week six or seven a power gets unlocked and you have to remember a lot of things about it. So I don't feel like it's GonNa come into play just yet but poor. Jomar if it does he will or maybe upwards market does maybe sheldon. I feel a little bit better. Jomar will feel like yeah. I guess he was right to to Mario. Jurmala feel very vindicated. We thought it was going to be for the slip and slide. I know these things I'm always right. And so he's he tells again leaking information he tells re while Sheldon told me that if I won to keep the nom the same and so that is that is a bit of a shock to read because that was not really the implication that was given to her by Sheldon kind of indicates that she probably is just flat out the target. This week and so. She's not super pleased about that. She's ended up she's GonNa end up telling Mattie and they're both going and then Matt He's GonNa ask Sheldon about it after the nominations because of the we'll go down four nominations Mattie and Redo go on the block so matty has a conversation with Sheldon. She's like I was told that you don't WanNa take you. Don't WanNA use the veto and Sheldon's like I don't know who told you that but that's not the case. I did say that like you know. Obviously I would think about not using the veto. Because I don't have to get additional blood on my hands but I also said that I am considering other options and I know there are other targets in the house right now so whoever told you that is trying to still selectively. Say things that I said in order to make me look bad as so. I'm not going to ask you who told me but I told you. But that's not the case says the same thing Torri. They're doing that. Jail is going to continue to work on Kyle throughout the throughout the day. He has a couple of good conversations with Kyle. He's just working. He's so much better without Michael in the house it's ridiculous. He is socializing strategizing he. He gets all excited for orange pop like all right. Let's get some orange pop up here all right. So he goes. He has some orange the him sheldon in Brooklyn. Pour out some orange pop into some glasses and they do a cheers like orange pop man and they have some conversation there. Chris Chris joins them in jail starts. Ask what motivates you in life? Bro? I WANNA know. And he's asked so that's what jails up to do. Well I would love those Those deep combos that you get into the house. Those are the best the best moments sometimes where people just kind of opened up more about themselves and we get obviously watching as people watching the feeds and they get to know each other a little better. It's nice when when you get those scenes away from the game played for a little bit. If I'm being honest jail is like all of my friends in high school way. Just like Chill Chill. Bro. Let's hang out in the basement and play video games and drink orange pop and then have deep conversations and talk about. Tv shows jail talk about TV shows all the time. He's all the time he's talking about. He's not all my friends he's he's some of my friends in high school. I for some of my friends in high school. Where exactly like jail? The thing is though that that was in high school and they're different now but jail is like this now which is really fun. And he's still like twenty one twenty two twenty two twenty wall. Hey almost twenty three jail. Sorry to offend me like you said earlier. He still integrating himself in the house. Pretty well and I mean I feel like the girls are even feeling a little bit of resentment towards him because he's not with him anymore he's not hanging out with them as much. I'm sure he would still have their back if it came to a vote or anything this week where he could do something if one of them came off block but he's spending time with people that have power in the house and that have connections in the house and not what the girls who were just sitting by themselves so good for him again so again. Multiple instances of hero going up to various forms of Sheldon Sue. Brooke saying we need to target Kyle and they keep just being like okay. This is an argument for why we're not going to and then being in here being like okay. I hear that but no I'm still WANNA go after Kyle and so it is so we're just going to do that. And Jomar is GonNa have a conversation with Sheldon and Brooke. He says that while men just told me that Kyle is coming for me in the Kyle things coming for him and Sheldon's like you should. You should go. Just go up to kyle and ask him about this and You know I don't want to. And he's like just. I'm telling you just have a conversation with Kyle. I really think it will do you good and you know. I'm just not going to do it. He already talked me today. It's like oh I love you view. Oh we're rose. I don't buy a word. He says man. I don't WanNa talk to him anymore. I just don't want to. I'm just I'm just done with it. You know what I'm GonNa do. I'm just going to win. I'm just going to handle business myself and I'm going to support you this week. One hundred percent. I'm with you and I hope you'll do the same next week. That's that's all there is well. Kyle Kinda sucks. I get why everyone wants him out so I haven't really hoping that that comes up in the next couple of weeks because he's really just not a whole lot of fun to watch and his game play is while he's got things that are going for him while he's got some connections and he's obviously you know we talked about how he works. Sheldon pretty well. This is not a winning game and it stopped being fun for me last week. You know the couple of fights were nice to get out of it but there's other people in the House that I think can get in a couple of fights about him there so that's what I'm looking for. Well we then are GonNa have a weird thing that's going to go on The one of the one of the last things. That's really happening here in the day Vanessa and Kris starting show miss. You didn't see this coming. Six days ago come on. Aren't you the Guy So he just kind of care like joking around about it and then he just kinda carries her up into the bedroom and then they talk game briefly about like a group that they're putting together of her Chris Carroll and Angie and that's the group she's most loyal to and this is what I'm talking about with like these are the non logical players like finding each other and wanting to work with each other. I think Angie's a mistake though in this group. I don't think she belongs there. But is there talking to end and also actually flirting and it's like who who would ever like. Chris Calls himself a pickup artist. Who'd ever actually be seduced by Chris's flirting? Oh of course Vanessa. Unlike if anybody ever would it would be Vanessa right and it seems like Vanessa's into this She's actually so into it. She actually feels like she is not good enough for Chris. He's chiseled and she just is not good enough for him but Let me tell you Vanessa. Your definitely couldn't for. Chris and Chris Definitely feels that way as well one point. Chris takes his shirt off and they're just they're hanging out there there. There's actually a little bit of something going on here. Crazy is it that everybody was so excited. We got out the show mance. We got the show men's last week and all of a sudden showman's popping up here there. I mean Gerard Manley. You're still in the house and I didn't expect most of these show manses but I mean they're pretty different from the normal kind of things that we see on the show with typical showman's is so I guess why not. I don't know if I WANNA see this for ninety days or whatever the season is but I guess I don't know it's something different. I don't know well she's going to go into the have not room and talk with Carol a little bit before. Chris joins them and she and Carol or talking. About how They they want to get Jomar and kyle to go after each other. They know that men told Jim are about the kyle thing. And they're all for it. They want Marin Kyle butting heads they wanNA stoke that fire fan those flames they want. Either Chris or Jomar out of ours are either kyle or Jomar out of the House. And so if they're going after each other that's great for them. This is like this is a Vanessa. Carol deal right now and they also want to keep shell around for now. They're good with him. They feel good with him. He's definitely a little bit dangerous but he's good for now. It's just the other people who are more dangerous. Chris does them. They both are like like like laying with him and a flirting with him in ways. I don't WanNa talk about. And then so they're talking about this and Vanessa says but here's the thing with Shell. He has that alliance. I told you about with him. Jomar hero ensue in Brook. So she is. She is exposed. This alliance. This fake alliance should sheldon told the four. Kyle and Vanessa about this. Fake five alliance. The five out and Vanessa has now exposed to Carol and Chris at the very least. I don't know if minnows yet or if she will know but but it has been exposed to. Chris and I'm already seeing that. Today there was some fallout from that as he confronted. Sue about it. So this Vanessa continues to be a wild card in this house and it's all over the place here. It is is interesting because back saying in the beginning or at least what I was saying about this season and just why. I'm enjoying it so much. That this is a big group of people who were seemingly working together at least last week and they're still just connections or just you can cross them from one hundred different ways between people inside this group. But at the end of the day this smaller group Mattie Rian and jail will slip by if they aren't taking care of now so they are on the block two out of three of them. If one gums off and men goes up and say men goes home this week. It's just downhill from there. And I would fully expect to see those the other three like make the jury and the rest of this group. Just continue to crumble. Because you know it's been a couple of days coming and it's just not getting any better for all of them. They just trusted. Don't trust each other and they just tell information way too much to every single other person and it's just a big mess last real conversation. The day was up in the HR H from again. Vanessa again just kind of lying there just like please don't notice that I'm not supposed to be here and let me just hear all of your conversations and so they're talking sheldon is feeling even more so because he's hearing from Kyle is continuing to go around and stirring stuff between him and Jimmy Maher and all of this stuff and Sheldon has reached the point that I was concerned about on Thursday night. Where he says you know what? I'm almost to the point now where I want to win the veto so that we can back door men. I just need her out of here. It is too much too much of a wildcard. She's the only one that will really pin the four of us together and so I almost want her gone. Kyle is a little bit more on actually. Now that you've convinced me I actually would rather have rigo I think. But he's also fine with men leaving and and that's where things stand right now. There's a very large chance now that men could be going home this week. Depending on what happens with this veto. Yeah he talked about how. Rianne is still plan. That's what he wants to do but like nothing would make him happier than blindsiding men and just getting her out of the house when she's not expecting it so that is something in the back of his head and speaking of men. Did we not talk about in and Angie or yesterday now there was there was like two hour long. Yeah felt like confrontation and I watched it this morning. And we're at the end of this podcast and I was like today watch from a different day. That was yesterday right. I just like he went in circles for so long. That was fun. I watch the feeds for drama. Like this and this is. This is Special Matt correspondent. We have a breaking story about what happened yesterday with men. And Angie tell us about it and it's not entertain you in any way I was I was just like Oh my God. I can't even I even have been going at each other behind each other's backs for the most part since the beginning started and Angie have not been on the same page. They don't like each other very much and throughout the throughout the past couple of days throughout the past week. Whatever it is they they say others name to other people in the house as I don't trust this person. This person is doing this and that and obviously all that stuff. That happened early yesterday morning. That you guys did talk about on the update with all of the stuff that Carroll said men was the one who told Carol about the comments that Carol made that. Were not taken well by Angie or or by Jemaah whatever. The case was so. Angie knows that men was the one who brought this back Carol and she was starting this stuff up. Angie's had enough so eventually they do sit down. They talk in the expedia room and they're just going over everything pretty much about their relationship and men like Taryn just said they'd go in circles a lot. It was a lot of like you're not letting me talk. Well you're putting out your buddy in and I would recommend this watching at least ten minutes of this hour conversation if you're interested in this kind of drama because it was a lot of like. I'm surprised there were like people at the door listening or if there were we just didn't see it on the feeds but they were going back and forth pretty loud at each other. You know a cutting each other off and let me finish. Are you going to let me finish? I let you finish and I know I just paused in my sentence. I didn't I wasn't done talking. I was trying to help you out before. That's got involved in the situation. I'm not targeting you your but but but you are targeting me but no. I'M NOT TARGETING. You Angie going off about this whole thing and she was trying to explain to men that just because you're saying you don't want me out of the House if you had your first pick right now. I wouldn't be the first person you put out. You're still going to everybody and putting negative thoughts into their head about me and you're putting balls into my to during the competition you're saying you're not targeting but you very much are your making it harder for me to maneuver in this game and I'm not doing that to you I like. I don't care about you. We don't have to be friends that's fine we don't have to be in each other's games you play your game. That's fine whatever it is and you're saying you're not targeting me that's fine but you are and just be real about that. Just be straight up and tell me that you're coming for me at some point just own that and there again going back and forth for a while and it ended in one of those fake. Hugs that all fights end in but this is not a storyline or this is not. There's no conclusion to this. It's going to pick back up again at some point and whether it's this week when men goes on the block if she does or next week and the week after these two are not going to be on the same page. Yeah I mean. Men is definitely agent of chaos in the house but she is really bad at confrontations. Angie really was like Shit like men had a confrontation with Mattie last week where they both kind of like came out looking bad and like was definitely in some ways. Actually kind of got the worst of it with Mattie and with Angie. It's no contest like men. Can't keep up with Angie and a lot of comments about your being condescending. Like Cohen was saying like like she got to the point. Where she was like Angie. You're really making me laugh right now. You're that's so cute. You're so cute. And it got to that level of the argument. And that's when you know is bad. And then of course. Angie call was like. You're being condescending and you're not helping your case at all right now it was. It was a lot of drama so again. If you like drama go back. I'd just like for me like the confrontations. They need to be in and out explosive and then and the second confrontation in circles. I get so bored and I feel like I lose all my enthusiasm enthusiasm for the confrontation like if if Taco Tuesday had gone on for another hour I would have been like okay Taco Tuesdays cancelled no more Taco Tuesday. I'm not GonNa talk about this ever again. I'm so sick of it. That's how I feel about confrontations in general. They need to be short and explosive for them to be fun for me. Call me back anytime. There's another confrontation and I will be happy to be the correspondent for all special special lengthy confrontation correspond. I didn't I didn't want to stop it like I knew there was other things this morning that I probably should have caught up on just because I didn't catch every single detail. I like to catch as much as possible but I couldn't stop watching the fight. It went on for a while and I wanted to watch it all well. That's that's about where we stand here. It really against Vanessa. In the caveat caveat bs like really impressed upon me and then seeing Su. Su Is the person that belongs in that group. If sue was in there instead of Vanessa I think they would run the run. The whole game no contest. Vanessa's in there and sue is outside. It's like like the wires got crossed. And now we're just there's going to be some kind of explosion because of its some point and so we'll see where that goes. We could definitely seen explosion if does end up on the block here today so We're going to wait and see what happens where we're going to be picking veto players. And we're going to be having a veto competition today. How mattie ended up like so safe out of all this I I like that I like. I'm like one of three Mattie fans out there so shout out to whoever the other two are I think. Meghan is one but I am just surprised. I thought that after last week I know. Obviously there's showman's went out the door. So maybe that makes her target a little bit smaller. But it seems like this week either resigns or Manley's probably going so manny's just GonNa have to take her seat on the block and do a little bit more crying the next couple of days while she tries to figure out why everybody hates or so much. She's just not threatening. She doesn't have any connections. She doesn't seem like she's GonNa win many competitions. She's been on slop for two weeks in a row and it seems like she's like withering away so people are really counting are out this morning. She's talking to engine maybe in Expedia Room and she was like feel so loaded so bloated from Wendy's so you had one meal relax. Yeah that's I mean. That's one of the reasons why Shell took her to Wendy's because they were like they're worried for like come on really really wasting away there all right so that's why we have for you today. Thank you so much for hanging out with us back of course tomorrow morning eleven. Eleven am eastern to update. You're never gonNA happen today on the big brother. Canada eight live feeds tomorrow night. I will be live with our good pal. Anthony Douglas to talk about tomorrow night's episode to make sure you check that out get anthony's thoughts on what's happening in this house and I'm very very interested to hear from Anthony. When of course Tuesday we'll have our roundtable and then Thursday we'll be back to recap the next eviction episode of Big Brother Candidate. Eight and in other in other guests news. If you are watching survivor my next guest for survivor will be none other than Derek Lavazza talk about winners a war. So check that out. Thursday night to that one's going to be after the big brother candidate eviction recap. So it'll be a double double whammy of podcasts. On Thursday Anthony will be with me on Sunday and Got Lots of stuff coming for you. So thank you guys so much for joining me. You can find me on twitter at arm's Taryn Matt. Where can people find you? Find me on twitter. At-bat LIGUORI OR MAYBE ON APRIL FOOLS. They'll go back to being Armstrong Taryn for a day terming greatest pranks in recent history. Just as great as jail pudding. Men's toothbrush in Gela just like that. Yes I had a great time and where we have nothing else to do now that we're all locked indoors for the next X. amount of days. That's very true. Mary Jo we'll see all right. Anthony is tomorrow for the recap so after the episode being asked a chat so there you go what we have for you. Thank you so much for hanging out with us this morning and let's see next time. This is rob sister. Nina thanking you for listening to this episode of our reality. Tv perhaps shows like this are made possible because of you the listener and the support of our HP patron community connecting reality TV fans around the globe to start getting access to all the perks of becoming a patron visit. Us AT ROB has website dot com slash patron. Hope you enjoyed the show.

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Big Brother Canada 8 | March 15 | Sunday Episode Recap | Anthony Douglas

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Big Brother Canada 8 | March 15 | Sunday Episode Recap | Anthony Douglas

"A low everyone and welcome to our big brother. Canada eight recap podcast. We are live here on the night of March fifteenth to talk about the Sunday night episode of candidate. I'm your host Armstrong and tonight I'm joined by the lion himself Anthony Douglas. How're you doing? Anthony be nice to see you has very excited to get you on it and have you talk about the season young here watching good season so far. Yes you truly. The reigning. Didn't take the wind still kind of the reigning champ of the previous season one of the reigning champs of the previous season right Chinese guys. The hundred grand already spent on Burgers. This is the legacy we leave here so really happy with that. Yes and definitely excited to talk to you because There are a lot of people in this house who are aspiring to be the next pretty boys. You're shaking your head. It baffles me like I just. I just don't understand. These people want to do so. Just not achievable gallagher. Like I I spoke with Robin Robin Juanita Senator Video for House of future applicants trying to get the big brother so I said the video basically saying look just go in there player game but just leave all the pretty boys stuff alone locked in alliance. That's that's strong. That's not going to give in to temptation anymore. So just just leave it. The structure is so effective. People want they want to replicate it. Yeah I don't know if formula worse it really does. Yeah so we have an episode here tonight. We got an H. competition. We got some nominations. We're going to talk through it all here tonight. We saw Sheldon when the now this competition was the one where you have to go and fill up other people's tubes with yellow balls and so it's very it's very easy for a majority group to maintain control of the. House with this kind of competition because it's really more of a vote then it is a competition. It's a vote of who do you not want to be h h in succession until you finally find who your wages right. Yeah Yeah Yeah. It was like watching the competition. It's Verizon's various opposing right. Like look everybody. Flip over your cards. We're GONNA see you know you can watch the whole time and seeing who's putting balls where and you know who's WHO's. Who's talking with other people who's looking like it's it's a very exposing competition so. I think a lot of cards are going to be left on the table for the people that were watching. What did you think of men's strategy here? That she is going to be running back and forth putting all of her balls into Angie's to she says I already have a feud with Angie further. Expose any of my cards. I can just completely go after Angie and scream about how you're not my target. H H this one can go both ways right like you know. She was being very loud about it and letting kind of letting everybody know that. Hey this is what I'm doing you know for me looking at that. I'm kind of thinking like okay. Maybe she's doing it because you know. She wants the big dogs in the house to to not look at her such a target. And maybe you know she can have a conversation. It should kinda point fingers in the other directions but choosing no the majority of the House is okay with her. Leave it. You know what I was much is you. Don't really care. Angie's days or leaves and you have bigger fish to FRY. You still need to be very cautious as to what you're doing because she could have possibly given the H. To somebody else if she changed that a little bit so after the accuracy her conversation with Angie. I don't know personally I wouldn't have done it that way but you already know. Mostly I swim in deep waters. Not a surface level bigger calculated so if she inside the House feels that doing this is going to kind of redirect you know where where everyone thinks. Her head is on. Then we're GONNA have to see how yeah and you know I. I do like the seeds of this thought. It has been something that's been effective in the past. We saw Godfrey do it intentionally. In season three. He called out. Zack he said Zach. I'm coming for you. And then for a long time after that people weren't worried about Godfrey and nobody was worried about Godfrey except for of course that coup Godfrey went to and I was like I'm not actually after us back and so it really helps get the target off of his back. We also saw Karen on big brother. Canada five do this. I think a little bit less intentionally. When she is calling out Kevin that Kevin Martin every two seconds. Nobody was worried that she'd do anything but target Kevin if she ever won the age and so I do like the seeds of this thought that men her execution of it is is failing here because while she's claiming. Angie is the person that I'm going after in this competition. Not only she yelling out Angie or not actually my target but people but people really do believe that she's not actually heard targeted because men is also going around and talking about targeting other people all the time and so the idea that she can get away with kind of just being like well. I'm focused on Angie. So don't worry about me when she's then also running around being like Angie's not actually my target. I'm going for other big players. She's cancelling our whole thing. I would like what I think. She should have had that conversation that she had with. Angie in that in the room that they were yeah. It's been in the public you know. Perception is everything you know like when when you look back at my season like that argument that I had with that was in front of everybody for a reason I wanted to include. Spn that for a reason you know fingers starting at pointing at me and I was in survival. Fingers pointed at all the other people you know. I feel like that would have been a good shot for Ming to to to really call out Angie and Kinda started little. You'd you know between floaters inside of the House. Obviously some of the some of the players in house are gonNA realize like yeah. I was just an act but some of the people who knows what what they could feed off of it like. I said it's it's a whole different energy and vibe inside the house right yes so ultimately we see here. That Sheldon is going to win which wasn't super surprising. Given the position he had put himself in leading into this week where he is really the person who's probably the most connected apart from perhaps sue but the problem with sue is that she has enemies like men and some other people that are concerned about her maneuverings and Sheldon is the person who really just had the best situated position in the game along with Brooke who came in second place so I definitely says good things about his game. Although in a very public way but sheldon is now our age and he's very pleased about it he he really wanted to be H. Usually when you're in this spot where everyone's good with you you kind of shy away from winning. Hoa Jr. Because you don't want to have to reveal your cards. He tells us that this is a good time to win because he won't have to really reveal his cars. There's an easy plan for the week. It's already been set in motion this remaining people from the victors so I think he has a point. But it's also dangerous when you're in this spot to have power like this. Yeah it's blood right like you gotta look at Chris when Chris won his first issues like okay. Well I'M GONNA make a big move which he did but at the same time. Look at all these people who are now looking at you as a liar. All these people like let's just say sheldon goes and says here's what the plan is GonNa People. He's going to be like you know. The plan is planet. He's going to go to other people would be like the plan is that people are talking like that's all there is to do inside of the house all it's GonNa take for two people to come to the conclusion that two plans aren't adding up and then now you're in the same position as Chris Russo. It I do see what he's in terms of you know being a good time to put people on the block. Who are kind of the whole house is against? Plus you get a h h onto your resume. Which forgetting of the blood right like. That's what a lot of people forget. Some people are just not forgiving Mean to be a very good big brother player. First of all you have to be very forget all your emotions have to be aside it just because somebody puts you on. The blog doesn't mean as soon as you get empowered. You gotta put them on the block. There could be bigger targets will actually take you out. You know what I mean so I think he I think he he's onto something but I think he's not really you know thinking about the long run of what he's actually doing here. Yeah and again I feel like the idea of this idea are good that we've seen this work very effectively in the past. We even saw it with Dane where his H was messy in the early weeks. When he was winning the second right it turned out to be pretty messy with mackey. But it's still worked out from was able to get away relatively clean. I'm and that really helped solidify his position in the house as a respected player. Who was decently honest. Even though he broke his very clean all the people that were against it right all the people were saying Dane. Us swore on this. He swore on that. Okay Mama Firs Mama was going off about it trying to go and then it was. Chelsea Chelsea was started. We'll show you gotta go to. Who who who next you guys? Just just and let us do our things. We can all have fun sees So we hear from jail that it's crucial that he spends the week making new connections in the house and this is very crucial because he's smarter of this Victor's Alliance who really they just hung out with each other the whole time the whole first week. They don't socialize outside of themselves thought. Let's get together. We're going to name an alliance we'RE GONNA crush this game. And then they just hung out with each other the whole time and thought that that would work out. A Michael. Leaving was a big wake up call for them and jail in particular and so he has very much started to branch out and try to make new connections. We see him talk to sheldon about. This is like week one for me. Starting New Yup absolutely. This is a fresh clean slate. You had your number. One taken out is still very early. It's time to find a new number one of your every you know what I mean. And he's really got a cell himself as as a player inside the house if he's GonNa stay there or he's just going to be guilty by association. Maybe put up on the block in all your target or you know what I mean. It might be one of those scenarios but either way he's gotTa to do a lot of work and very fast. This is arguably his most important week of this entire season. Yes and he tells us that he is nervous but he did have a great talk with Sheldon right before the age and so that makes them feel a little bit better. This was interesting to me because Sheldon had a great talk with Chris. Right before the last week which was went a long way in helping prevent sheldon from going up on the block last week. Now we're hearing again that he's having good conversations with people right before the seems like this is a strategy that he's implementing purpose and it seems to be working out pretty well for now. Well it's only been a couple of weeks right but people pick up on those things like you know all somebody laid As soon as somebody who goes and talks to the situation you know they choice. China has changed your mind. Like people are reading into that and like why? This person is doing this all the time every time somebody who wins in Asia wage also says something new to like. It's GonNa it's GonNa all accumulate and I hope it doesn't blow up in his facebook so far he's doing okay. These are much needed conversations to stay a-block especially that first. Yes sir. Jail tells tell Shell and look the victors. Were still friends. You didn't say that you shell them. We're still friends you know Mattie and Rian me but my loyalty says Milo Myself. He says to us in the room. And so he's talking to to sheldon about separating himself and wanting to work on a new game he feels pretty good with Sheldon and this work is is paying off Sheldon Express his later in the episode that he doesn't want to target jail if he doesn't have to and and it seems like jails made some progress here. Yeah Yeah J. O. Definitely he's doing his fighter flight mode. You know what I mean so I think that also for Sheldon's game that good that he's also starting to infiltrate that side as well even though he's going after the you know what I mean. We'll covering all your bases in very carefully chosen words to to make these people feel a certain way because you never know what if right. It's always the what is that could really screw you over in in big brother so I think Sheldon's doing the job in you know who knows where their relationship is going to go. I I also don't think what I mean. Jails GonNa look at this situation. He's going to be very observant now. Like he's he's he's been anxious ever since ever since my left he's very very anxious in the game is not much different to him. Now you know and it really is like fighter flight. You've got to find something and you've gotta find something now and it's gotTa security so you know. I just hope that he does it in a very strategic way a bounce around everywhere and tell everybody the same thing because people will see that as well. Yes so we get a little hint of a potential showman's through hinting at here. That Brooke seems to maybe have some feelings for sheldon notably though we don't hear from Sheldon about this Just just from Brooke here and so this is something that I think. Some people watching the feeds so far. I've been I've been looking for. They can they can see Brooke does seem to have a crush on sheldon but the question is is it reciprocated. It doesn't quite seem that way though so far. No I don't think you're syndicated at all. I've just been grow. You know is kind of getting in her feelings. Like I said you know somebody who can comfort you and talk to you and and and you know on not just a game level but a personal level goes a long way inside the Big Brother House. You become dependent on that person so if Brooks come to the conclusion that she potentially likes sheldon but at the same time is telling Canada she absolutely will not get into a show mascot showman's always lose which is of act but but at the same time. I don't see anything from shelby. And at the end of the day if he sticks to his word of a girl is good best away for him to get closer to one hundred thousand dollars than I. I think he's a great position. Hold on the heartstrings. Do what you gotTa do baby this game I do. I do think that show manses can be underrated in terms of their potential effectiveness. In the game. We have seen some success with showman's is in fact on big brother. Twenty one we just saw one make it to the final together so it is possible but the thing is that there are so many show manses that occur in the House that it would be weird if there weren't successful showman's is. It's not like when a showman's happens it's like. Oh well lock them in for the final two. It's like there's usually like four showman's is and three of them go out pre jury and one of them makes it a little bit far and so I do think that overall I show is a hindrance. But there's still a really good net benefit to having somebody on your side that you can trust implicitly. It's much better if you can keep that relationship a secret but having that partner in the game is still super valuable. Look I mean I. It's not the show manses that that that causes problems for people is is the amount of attention that you're giving towards that show you know if you're if you're literally walking around with that person every single day all day and that's like all year entire social game you're going to be put in a class of two from here on out and whoever doesn't like one of you they're going to have to put you up as well or not to find a way to get you because you guys come in a pair you know what I mean. If they can have their showman's or you know if they can build a relationship that could potentially have something outside of the House. That's one thing. Just don't be loud about it you know. Don't be talking about you. Know like all this lovey dovey. We're GONNA ride our way to the end and I love you stuff like. Don't let anybody hear that because nobody wants to talk to. You know deal with at inside the House and it came perspective. Yeah for sure so so we get a little hint of that. Then we get up to the cave meeting in the Hoa Trim and I really do feel like they captured the scene. Pretty well it really did feel like all right four of us. We're going to war. What's the game plan? Who Do we need to work on? Okay I've I've got this person. I've been dropping the ball a little bit here. I need to pick it up on this person. Okay what do we do with sue? We gotta do this with sue. Okay how how do we handle jammers over here and you know really sheldon kind of directing the action for the most part I. I really enjoyed watching this on the feeds and I thought it was a good segment on the episode. I think these players they're great at planning and they sound really good. The question comes down then to how are they at the execution because a lot of what we heard there was? I've been dropping the ball at this. I need to do better to know but even better to do. Yeah you guys this thing is. What's what's hard is like if they're going to be an an alliance together. Everybody has to be on the same page like it shouldn't take you know sit down conversations all throughout the day to slack here on slacking there you all have to be on the same page from your vision of what's going on in the house you need to execute at all times. If these people you need to work on going outside and playing fool all day will then you better be playing cool all day? You know what I mean you have to be everywhere like you ha. It's it's all the league like you said. The execution is is the most important part and I don't really see them executing as well as they think they're going to get caught up very very soon. Yeah and so I mean Brooke and Sheldon have been spending an extreme amount of time together in the HR wage just talking. How game in circles often just kinda hanging out together. They're both introverts and they feel comfortable with one another and so they just gravitate in that way and it just makes me think like could you imagine if you and Dane were inseparable in the house and it was just always hung out together up for me? Hmo Gone for you. Honestly the thing is we mean. They barely spoke but when we did speak it was it was substance. Look this is what you have to do. This is what I know. This is the only few minutes we're going to have for probably the next couple days so get out there and get it done. And I don't WanNa see when he he you know what they're hanging out way too much. It's becoming way too way too obvious and even if you know someone someone might be just like collateral for somebody else. I inside thousands. It could be going for so we're going to see what's going to happen. Yeah so we then hear from Jomar. Jomar wants to go after Kyle. Kyle's the big dog. He's the one that he really wants to target. This guy is ruthless. He's willing to swear on anything. He's dangerous in the house. We shouldn't give him time to repair the relationships. This is the chance to strike. He's trying to explain this to Brooke because he already sees broken sheldon is such a pair that he can explain it to broke and then she'll get in Sheldon's ear and Brooke tries to explain to Jomar N- I don't. I don't think it's the right time. I don't think we should do it yet. You Know Sheldon Needs Kyle. In front of him as a shield. Kyle's not coming for Sheldon and I promise you I really don't think coming for you. Jomar and so. She's trying to talk him down. But it's not super successful yet. She goes and she talks to sheldon about it. And they're like it's not great but let's try and work on this. Let's try and fix this. So that drama isn't coming for Kyle. Because that's not great for us right right. Yeah I you know Jomar. Obviously he's a he's the type of guy that's just gonNa tell it the way it is. You know whatever's on his mind in the way he sees things is not always the best strategy you know there's ways of telling people things with L. saying there's ways of putting foss into people's heads without saying you know what I mean. He I think that conversation should have went to a totally different way but obviously Jejomar feels very close to Brooke and all named may not know that broke his much closer to Sheldon Sheldon's much closer kyle than people can really see you know. He needs to be much more cautious with the words. It's the words in the body. Language is everything you send somebody down in You're trying to you know. Feel the mouth in kind of a thought into their head. You gotta be very subliminal about it. You can't be very direct because it's GonNa come back to bite you in the ass so I'd honestly I think this is going to backfire on Jomar but I do think he is playing a pretty decent social game and I do think there are bigger targets in the house but it was a pretty bad conversation for Dhamar. Yeah and I think it leads to an interesting dilemma for Sheldon and Brooke. Who are in a secret alliance with Kyle because this is something that that we saw on your season happen a lot that Adam had allies Sam Chelsea. Kira all telling him you need to go after Dane. Dane had allies KIKI SD Damian. You need to go. After Adam and they constantly had to deal with their allies wanting to go after their secret alliance partners and preventing those war those clashes from happening as best. You could and you were a big part of that as well and I feel like that's where the KGB is kind of dropping the ball here so if you are sheldon in this moment you're hearing from Brooke Jomar wants Kyle Dreamers telling you I need Kyle Gone How do you. How do you handle a situation like that? It's very simple. Bring them together baby. They're not seen either is in you. You put them face to face. That's that's what and that doesn't mean. Sit them down and have a conversation. But there's conversations you can have with each person that can kind of take a couple of the clouds away you know and so the skies a little bit brighter like you don't want you don't want these people not on the same page especially if you need them inside the House of Sheldon and broke see value in Tamar and and and they also see value in Kyle. Well let's just more numbers numbers the better and at the end of the you know at this especially pointed game. That's what you need the most so I think that Sheldon and especially Brooke because Brooklyn she said. I'm collateral for Shell which is which is honestly the truth and if you're going to both sheldon and Brooke at this point should be talking very highly of Jomar or downplaying of Jakarta Kyle and vice versa. As the only way that it's it's going to work you don't you know if they're not if they're not you know socially working together if they don't if they don't come across like as like you know. This is the type of person that I would be friends with outside of the House. That's totally fine. But in terms of the game play they have to be on the same page with these guys are going to move. Yes and I WANNA I WANNA circle around back to this once we get into the feeds. Because there's more there's more dynamics happening here but but we'll move on for now to to avoid those spoilers so we get to. The expedia room has opened there. They've got to Maui room now it's full of sand. What's what's worse having a floor of sand or a floor of like papers from all the office files things to be honest. It didn't really matter to me because I will go through all that stuff. Yeah you you were in that situation. I don't want to remember this and like I said I didn't know how deep these little secret powers and stuff could really go like these guys were in there. That's why we call Adam Inspector specs. He was reading trying to put all the detective in that role. I don't have time for this and I don't want people that think that are so invested in it. That like obsessed with it. You know what I mean so like I I share. That room means something you know what I I end. And whether there's something. Carol was looking through the sand and stuff like that. Who knows but they should definitely pay a lot of attention related. Anything from is season if they all watch aren't even than you guys know that you need to study this room. Study la the Maui. Study all of it who the first departure is the. You know all of the stuff that that you guys see and they're gonNA be used later off for sure yeah. I do think it's harder for people who aren't as experienced with the show to realize how important it is men who hasn't really seen much of the show prior to going on doesn't take it quite as seriously and so that's that's that's GONNA lead toward her not studying as much which who knows who knows where that will go. We do. See some of the showman's if you can call it that how do you feel about I think I think they do actually like each other but at the same point. They're both annoyed by each other. But it's very comforting right. It's very you can joke around with and you know what I mean may wants to give with a little bit too. Dhamar let they're also playing like a social game. You know what I mean. They're they're they're playing social a lot of the stuff that they're doing like remember spider man kissed that they were. GonNa do in front of in front of Kyle. You know what they're doing. Lost off in front of a lot of people are arguing in the kitchen. You know how disgusting ever seen discussed in like it's I think it's a good strategy because you know if push comes to shove and you don't mean does have to go on the block or Does go on the block. The other kid argue that yeah I was just for show. It's not that serious. We're not we're not doing what other show masses of done and you know we're not crying over each other and cut them loose if you have to. Yeah are you a survivor watcher at all? No I'm honestly everybody's been telling me to get on it because it seems like this is really committed to this is a really great and fun winner on the show that they're doing all winter season right now who talked about how. He's like a big target because he's a big name winner and he says we're Lien's these big targets we're lions and everyone else they're highness and I don't want the hyenas I don't WanNa get eaten by the Lions need to stick together reminded review. I saw Lion King Simba let pride rock and scarred goers nothing but clouds in hyenas and they're starting to take over Simba came back and joined forces with knowledge of the rest of the Ronin knows. Who aren't so. I WANNA know from from a scale of Hyena to Lyon like where does Jomar FAW on the with flirting technique? Here is he. Is he a lion or is he more of? I think he did a good job. At getting the interest from it. I think harmless flirting. I think we should be in the low key. Show Matt's look a couple little comments and stuff. It got her insurance because at first look it did seem like she wasn't interested at all but all that little flirting of she's definitely interested in it. Just pulled liquor with vital four seconds or whatever into it. She's in with. I don't think Jomar is anywhere close to his into it. As as as Ming Ming later on I do I do believe you have the right. Read their that. Jomar seems very interested in a lot of different women in the house and sees that too. And that's part of what annoys their thing. The one thing though that I do really like Jomar and and and those guys are seeing. Everyone's crying everyone is dealing with so much dressed in a missing home and just like upset and it's just it's just so hard being alienated Woodson Mars. Do it tomorrow is putting on a show and the thing is probably fun having fun and being at ease it allows you to think a little bit better and even though like they haven't shown much of. Jomar strategically I think that the fact that he's having fun with the season with himself and with everyone around him. It's going to really help him help him in the long run especially social yes? Yeah and we see that is having some some trouble. She's feeling alienated a little bit. She's GonNa Talk to Sheldon. He's going to kind of give her the heads up. Did you are an option for me? It is an easy choice this week. Enrico also is going to be like. Hey I'm I don't WANNA I don't WanNa be connected to the choices some of the choices of Mattie right like need to be connected to that which which is a good thing to say right like. She's already so close to matty that it's easily explainable. To matter of course in close to you anymore. But but it helps. It helps a little bit right the disassociate because those visible associations or what really think you in the game now we're going to take a quick break for our sponsors and we'll be right back. Hey It's been henry and Marcus hosts of the last podcast on the left are shows dedicated to uncovering hilariously horrifying stuff. And now we're only on spotify if you want. Obviously we'd never force anyone to just blindly bad be crazy but if you like stories about doomsday cults who do exactly that. And more please on spotify visit spotify dot com slash last podcast to listen free. And we're back. Let's get back to the show so sheldon's GonNa Take Matty to Wendy's. He gets a video from from his mom and I thought it was a weird juxtaposition to be like sentimental video from his mom and boy this Wendy's so good. Yeah I know I remember when you don't have food in their it man. I was dying in there and somebody who was actually in a food like I eat all my meals. Are you know like the careful consideration? What I what I put inside my body. I love food. I love Jews when you take those things away and you finally have an opportunity to have those kind of things. Is it hits different. You know what I mean so I feel about the same time like I feel like shows right now just in in game mode like he saw his eyes Momma dukes using site all right. Let's get the talking is ready game mode and I hope that you know he can loosen up a bit and have a little more fun because it allowed him to be more personable. Yes so this season. We're seeing that. At least the initial plan was to have family members in the Wendy's window obviously with everything that's happening with the virus there now probably going to move exclusively to the video messages. But how did you feel about this? This idea of family members in their instead of alumni is going to say well. They might like better. I was really looking forward to seeing you. And Wendy's uniform right now. I wouldn't somebody the best advice possible. You you bring me your winning the Game Lord Wendy's window you are willing to the game. I can assure you that the club you know check about this doesn't make any sense. Maybe I don't know but yeah no. It seems that they're doing the the Wendy's thing which which is good Because you're giving everybody opportunity to have that at that feeling Riley I did they. I I never had that feeling except when the moms came in and then I was like a refresh. It was like a like okay. Like my mom's good. Everything by an ability are very different and I can see why were they did that. But I feel like the conversation with alumni or even though the video from alumni or or something like. That would really really help these guys out and look strategically yeah I can. I can picture now that the H. O. H. Goes Down to grab some Wendy's. The other person is waiting in the Hoa Trim. The time starts passing by. It's been ten minutes. It's been a half hour spending our what is happening. And then they come up and they're just like Oh man. I'm feeling I'm feeling that what happened. Noth- nothing don't worry about it. I flash into listen listen. Y- you're building a castle year lying don't you don't worry about don't worry about anyone else. Crackpots okay well. Let's see. We saw the tree. Maybe you let us know who is Super D- would've thought it would've gone it. This is what they're missing out on me. They need you. They need you learn so instead it's Sheldon's mom and he's GonNa talk with Mattie about what's happening this week as she's pitching her case to stay but it's not GonNa Really Work Sheldon says. Look it's easy to put you guys up. You isolated yourselves and Mattias upset. And she's going to go and cry in Have Narrow matty's cry is so right tell you. I was screaming baby. I'm sorry it was fucking hilarious. I don't know what your wiring the. Hey Larry you guys did. The savvy very offensive. You can't take the Saturn kissed and rubbed with us by guilty by association. Your whole alliance. You're crazy and you put your hand over the beginning of the game not even smarter physical or anything oath and I like the way she cries too. It's so lakes. It's so sudden like she's talking normally like she's like yeah so sheldon was he was talking to me and he was implying. Get in gear. It's a bane day and last year doubted herself. As you've been doing here how she doesn't see that it's a problem but like I've seen her side too though because as soon as as soon as I saw the way. She erupted on Chris. Chris you know I was like crazy about the same time. Nobody is going to be like. Oh we gotta get Mattio. Because she was with Mike like nobody cares. Because he's not gonNA do any. He's you're not going to go and win. These who knows who knows what the cops are going to be but most likely is not going to be a powerhouse that you have to worry about. There's much bigger threats inside thousand at this point. Yeah so we're going to see Sheldon head into the nomination room. He tells us you know when I when I step into the ring. It's game time and my entire time in. This House is game time and everything. Throw all the emotions out the door and you know honestly him more than anybody. I've seen on. This show has really followed that ideology to the point where I think it hurts him that he doesn't have enough emotion in the game but he is very stone cold in that house he he does. He does not care for remote. He's like Mattie. I feel bad but it's not my problem. You're just going to be on the block here. So there you go nominates Mattie and Rianne. Yeah Like I said like it's still early. It's only been sixteen days like this is an extended season like you know. They're they're they're they're going to get closer there. You know these times. Where he's you know what's going to happen. We have to call Brooke what's going to house. You're gonNA feel when when these people who is developing relationships every single day every single day because I was the same way I didn't care but when people were leaving like inside like on the house like man sucks all matter saying the game on the way I look now and now it's time for the lines. The season starting going deeper and deeper like honestly I. I'll tell you cutting Adam love the most difficult things to do. You know what I mean like. That's when you really realize this game really is like all these pawns and people you don't really get are are not really like to hang out with that much spending that much time in building relationships all that is fine and Dandy when they leave but what happens when you need to make a decision between the two. What happens when he has to choose between? Kyle Bro you know what I mean. That's when you're GONNA to start to see his his his emotion start to come out and become sooner or later. Yeah I gotta say the scene cutting atom all time big brother moment were hard to imagine man you must bring you back to it. I'm using but yes I think. One of the main differences here between you and Sheldon were. You both. Don't really care because it's a game but when you are talking to other people like you're more like Oh my God I feel so terrible about like you're you're able to sell it whereas when Sheldon is talking to Rianne and Mattie. He's just feel awful about this. And Yeah Yeah. It sucks really sucks but these are all tells are GonNa come back to haunt because we're gonNA start to see like yeah. He's like a robot he really doesn't care and that he's not feeling he's like he's not like he doesn't care like other other people so let's just get rid of him if he if he doesn't care about us like the rest of you know the rest of the people here and I think that's what's going to happen. All these things are building up building up and he's in a very good position right now but you know how fast things can change. Yes alright. So that's what we had for the episode unless there was anything else from the episode. That you that you'd picked up on wanted to mention no no. We basically covered it all. I think I think it really opens up a lot of ideas of what's going to happen coming up next. These next couple episodes are going to be good man of some man all right. So that's the way. After the episode we will get into spoilers from the feeds. So if you don't want to hear about the feeds then this is your chance to balance out. You can find me on twitter at Armstrong Taryn. I will be live tomorrow morning to update you on everything that happens today. On Big Brother candidate live feeds will be live on Tuesday night as well for the roundtable and then Thursday again to recap what goes down in the eviction episode so check all that out. Anthony where people find you. You can follow me on twitter. Anthony BB seven. You can find me on instagram. Doug Delicious Lord those the Richmond. Punch it in there any questions you guys. Have you know. Shoot on my way. I've I've I've been washing the season a lot. And you know if you guys hear anything on the live fees that maybe you want you know you wanna pass along to me because I will be seeing these people. These guys are GonNa have to see me. There's been a couple of call outs. So we're going to have to talk about have you spoken to Nico about? I was going to have a whole Party waiting here. You know what I mean Home Party. But they didn't work out as planned but yeah no honestly best the best I hope I get a chance to talk to Nico in a lot of people find it funny and it was funny at first but you know the game really is difficult. You know what I mean. It really really is difficult to polls on strings that people have never even felt before. So you know I. I really hope that I do get a chance to talk with. Niko and let them know that you know it's all it's all cool fine and dandy rainbows and skills. You know. It's all over here. Yes alright. So that's what we have for the episode. We're now going to get into the spoiler. So here's your chance to get out and here we go. It's time to talk about what's been happening over the last few days. Because it's been a wild ride here anthony some so. We had a veto competition and weirdly. There's some kind of twist here win the competition where the five players chosen as per usual but then each of those five players chose partner to compete with and so there were ten people total competing veto. And what happens is when one pair wins. The original person chosen for the veto has the veto itself and then their partner is safe from nomination if the veto is used so so. It's it's a weird situation going on here but what happens is Mattie and J. L. as a pair win the veto which means Mattie will be taken herself off the block and J. L. will be safe from the renomination which means that Sheldon needs to decide. What do I do from here? Do I put up another pawn next to Rianne to send Rianne home or do I use this opportunity to take shot at somebody who I think is a detriment to my game and that person over the last few days has increasingly become men. Men is the person that he's really looking at in terms of. Maybe I should take the shot here. Anthony what should he be doing? Oh dear is a tough one But at the same time it can't be a short-term plant like whoever you decide you really have to dig deep and find out over the next couple hours and even a day who is going to help you in the long run and you need to develop a relationship so that that can help you out. I don't think that he should go after Mitt. I think that men has very little allies if any in the house and I think that you know somebody like like Sheldon. He could really use that to his advantage. Because if he got US men he's all basis cover all bases covered and that's ultimately what you need right so I think I don't think is best. Bet is to go after men sure he would make a couple of people happy he probably majority of the people happy. But that doesn't mean that it's best for his gang you can when you can lie and say whatever. I think that they didn't put me as of my seat because I don't even know I would have been to do rag sunglasses. Sit down and eat a crazy kind of our. It's a little ever saw. We saw. We did see you as H wage when Corrie one that was here but I think he really focused on the long term and the long term for him is not to take out. Yeah and you know it is interesting because men has men has approached Sheldon a few times about trying to work with him. The problem is many such a wild card and such an emotional player. That sheldon doesn't really know how to deal with men. He's such a street called logical player that when dealing with somebody like men who is almost his entire his entire opposite in the game. He's he doesn't really know what to do. This conversation showed in the episode actually was a longer one which was very interesting. I mean said Sheldon. You're such a wild card to me. I can't read you. Show is one of the more straightforward players and but Sheldon's like me you're wild card and they're both wildcards to each other. Because there's such opposites but I do agree with you. I don't think that means that he should be taken her out of the game right now. I think that he should be trying to work. What what little relationship. He has with her right now. She is looking for people to work with her. Even her allies are not particularly loyal. We'll start that Vanessa is certainly not loyal to her carols. Not loyal to her. Jomar is not loyal to her Actually is pushing for a min backdoor. So she's really. She doesn't have a lot of people in this house. And more importantly with Rianne staying Mattie jail still a strong trio in the house and another thing that happened over the last few days is that despite sheldon trying to get Kyle Jomar on the same page. He's telling. Kyle you need to work on Jomar. You need to tell him that you're with him Kyle is gone to Jamaica. He's like I love you man and then Jomar goes to sheldon. He's like in Kyle talking to me like he loves me. I don't believe a word he says I'm done with this guy and Sheldon's like what to do. I don't know I can't fix this. So they're targeting each other which means if Rianne stays in the game that trio will be sitting pretty well Kyle and Jomar gun here is gunning for Kyle. Vanessa's wildcard and all of a sudden. That trio is looking really really pretty. And everybody's going to be running to them trying to court them and win that block voting block to their side and Sheldon while he does have a good in with J. L. and that can work and he is now working on Mattie and re social emotionally swaying. People to his side thing is not really his strong suit. So we'll see if it works. It might work. He is still pretty good at what he does. And he's a very smart guy. I don't know if I agree with his decision here to go after men. It does seem like what that's what he has landed on told the whole house except for men he plans on telling men at some point between now and tomorrow when the veto ceremony happens and we don't know what men's reaction is going to be. We do know that. She has a lot of dirt on Vanessa who has spilled a ton of information from K B B s to her and gave. Ubs has in the last few days because a lot has happened kind of discovered that Vanessa has been leaking things to men which is actually one of the motivations behind targeting her because they think if they take out men. Vanessa has nobody to leak information to anymore. But that's actually not true because Manasseh is more loyal to Carol and Chris who? She is still leaking information to and so. The thing is though if minnows that she's on issues in trouble and Vanessa who got his now blaming everything on men and saying yes. Let's back door her and get her out of here because then I'm not in trouble anymore. Hopefully Schwinn could out Vanessa. Four all of the things that she told her and that could be. I think the only thing that could potentially save for at this point because looking great it'll save one hundred percent if she drops the dirt a perfect time in front of the right people on exactly what's been going on. Somebody's games exposed in there. You know the bread crumbs fall the browns back to the the the the Candy House and the truth is in the pudding right there. You know what I mean so I think that if this goes through and and Mizzen in some trouble and she goes to the information that she has she'll be six hundred because people who are untrustworthy are more threat than a wild card because I that there are two options here either. Sheldon tells her ahead of time and she says why and he explains. You've been saying things at the start of the week. You said that was a floater. And that I should be targeted. She did say was her fault. But then also you know you talked about how Brook told Vanessa to throw the power of veto. But that didn't actually happen. And so you're making lies and then number three. You're going around telling people that were in a five person. Lyons Brook myself here. A JOMAR and sue like what's that about and br. I think that I think that men will go. None of. That's my fault. Vanessa told me all of that information of and that might set off some light bulbs in Sheldon's head because he already has caught Vanessa with the brook throwing veto thing and it might might set off labeled. Oh my gosh. She's been riding this out this whole time. And if that's the case what do I do do I let me take the fall for it? Do I still nominate her do I. Maybe just try to turn this on. Vanessa like what? What do I do here? Because if he sees Vanessa really is this much against him and that she's building her own army because men can say Vanessa's even closer with Carol than she is with me. Like Vanessa's telling Carol all these things to like. That should scare sheldon and might cause him to reevaluate. This conversation might also though happened after the veto happens the BEATO ceremony in which case men will be on the block next to Rianne and it's a tougher position but it might still be enough to try and get sheldon to flip the votes to keep men if men promises that she'll be with him and forgives him for the back door because it was all Vanessa's fault in the first place so I do think men has some options. The question is will she think of those options? And Will it work? Yeah it's GonNa be tough man is going to be talked to see how plays Olga? I do think that you know with the information that men has. It doesn't matter if it's before or after she still has a shot so you just executed properly gets a whole bunch of people involved and Sheldon 'cause sheldon he's calculated but very short term if he starts to think longer term full first of all. You've you're talking about shields a year. That's what a lot of big brother people do to tell other big brother who who don't really know they're doing like you don't have to worry like Gilder a shield eight. I need them here. I need Kyle. He's a shield will. Then you need men because the whole house is basically against men but if you could save men you know let's just say men goes ahead and win the COP next week in. You're the one that saved her. You know what I mean. You're in a great position and somebody else wins column next week. You know you're still in a great position because you're not gonNA get caught up men's go on the block. There's still people are going to want her. Garnishes you need to make a calculated move from the longevity of your state here. Yeah I do I think the main issue here is that so many pieces have been put in place with the plan to move forward with like I said Sheldon has been talking with J. L. He's been talking with Matti and Rianne in promising them. If we're good like let's make this work. He's now satisfied here and Jomar bloodlust for Kyle. Because they think that the man is working with Kyle so they feel like okay. This is a good enough compromise. We'll take men out and then we'll go after KYLE NEXT WEEK. So if he then tells them actually. I don't want to go after men now as well that might be the final Straw for them and so I do think there's a lot of moving pieces here but it's look it's not looking great for men but like. I said I do think she has some doubts. And even if she doesn't get out of it with this information she can still blow the house wide open so we're looking at an interesting few days here is going to be good man. I'm excited to see the blow own right so I wanted to talk to you about this in more detail this idea of sheldon trying to mend fences with kyle because this is completely blown out out of control for him that this is something that you guys were very good. At and a few days ago I was talking about how sheldon trying to handle Jomar and handle kyle and trying to get them to not target each other and he's been failing he doesn't know how like he can talk to kyle and convince. Kyle not to do it. Kyle's a logical player but when he talks to Jim is Jim ours is like number. Oh like I'm not GonNa do that. I don't like the Guy I'm going to go after him. Like you don't see it I see it. I'm going after him. And there's like Sheldon when when faced with a situation where logic doesn't work sheldon kind of breaks down. He doesn't really understand where to go from there and I thought about. I thought about something that you would do on on the show. Which was you'd go like you would go to kyle and be like okay. I need you to say this to Dhamar. Then you can go to Jomar and he'd be like man. It would be great if kyle thought this way. I don't know if he does but You know maybe maybe if you talk to you could find out and then tomorrow go and ask Kyle about it. And he and he'd say the thing that you told them to say you'd be like He does think that way. I wonder cooking things would work out. Right yeah I do. I like it's not people. Just don't naturally connect there's personalities that just don't you know what I mean but in the Big Brother House for your game to make it hard. You've got to be planting the right seeds in the right minds to convince them to be a little more open minded about certain situations and I don't think the Sheldon has the patience for it. I don't think he has the tactics to really to really accomplish that. Like this to be honest and a piece of cake to me I would have. I Would Have College Amar working out together every slap each other on the asset. We would just be a great big little down. But I don't think he has the patients but at the same time. I don't think showing really cares too much about tomorrow. I think there's he just. He doesn't really care enough about he doesn't see much value. Because you'll get kyle. Forget colleague look like the majority of the houses onto this guy but at the same time uncle. He's a good chance of winning a physical comp or one of these I need to be on his best side and maybe maybe that's what he doesn't see. Jomar who no real reason is either way he needs to see needs. Everybody needs literally need everybody. That's what's going to happen that's going to help you stay in. This house longer is every single person. You've got to be doing everything you can at every single second everybody. Yeah and what Shell has talked about. Is that like he talks with. Kyle and Kyle listens to him and he's able to get through to kyle and that's so valuable to him when he talks to. Jomar he doesn't listen and it's so frustrating and Sheldon is the kind of guy where like the more frustrated he gets with Jomar. He's not able to get through to him the more he just retreats away. He's fine. I'll throw this piece away. I don't need this piece. I'll work on this piece. Whereas like like you said like every piece is valuable and Sheldon. Isn't able to sort of see. What motivates Jomar and how to how to use that to convince Jomar not to go after Kyle right and so like another thing that you did really well in the Dane did really well with SDN. Kiki was like everyone would go after Adam after Adam. You guys always be like. Yes Adam Butts also SAM right. Dangerous Fanny Point them at Sam and you make sure that like use. That as a way to help divert attention as well and they. They have Chris in the game for that very purpose but they don't use it very often when Jomar is like gotta go after Kyle Sheldon should be like yes but Chris to write like. Let's focus on Chris. Chris Davies if you think about it. Yeah often hurry I whatever somebody says. He always agree first. And then add your two cents in your two cents should be thorough and shipped should should make enough sense to the other person to where now their mind is opening up to that idea and then it just takes time and consistency the same consistent methods. You're using the open their mind up about you know working with somebody or working against somebody eventually. It's it's GonNa work right like you just have to be patient for. You can't just give me like okay. Well forget this guy. Forget this whatever you. I don't even know who Jamal's working you know. Nothing about all you know is that he's not that strategic openly and and you know he he has people in the house who are not his strongest allies. That's all you basically no. You don't know anything else. And you've got to use that to your. Yeah so you know. That's that's what we're seeing here with Sheldon and you know. I think it's also interesting to look at you know again. We talked about this at the start of the show. There's so many people in this game trying to do what the pretty boys did. Last season the in particular. They are trying to be a four person secret alliance that has social tendrils as they said the episode like a permeating throughout the house and secretly controlling things. But there are. There are enough key differences that like the formulas great. The formula needs to be like all the pieces need to be in place for to work and there are a few pieces missing. First of all Vanessa not the right piece in the board to have in this group second like I talked about. It's not like you hung out with Dan all the time. The fact that Sheldon Brook are a very visible pair. And Kyle and Vanessa are a very visible pair really like limits. The amount of movement they have they might as well be a two person secret. Alliance for all the effectiveness. They get out of spreading out right because they're effectively to people instead of four and they are not able to keep themselves together. Because Vanessa who I guess maybe a little bit in this situation is the mark where like mark would often talk about blowing up the pretty boys and betraying pretty boys never actually did whereas Vanessa absolutely is but but you guys were able to sort of keep mark in enough that he never actually did anything whereas broke sheldon and Kyle have let that relationship slide. And she's now running all over the place blowing up all kinds of things for no logical reason but it still hurting them quite a bit. Yeah Yeah it's it's honestly it's a tough formula Like we're saying if you guys aren't invested into that idea. It's just not going to work. Like look at Adam. Adam was fighting. His his heart was literally fighting. Love the strongest drug on this planet. Adam was fighting against to stay loyal to something that he believed it. You know what I mean and Lake but these people just don't get it they're just using this for now is like as as as a short term safety like. There's like yes. I'm involved with this but like not really you know what I mean. That's why it's it's. It's a day by day thing because any of these conversations any of these things that get exposed it could. It could send somebody out the door and in a heartbeat. It could. It could sensibly out of an alliance in a heartbeat. These guys find. Vanessa's been saying all of this stuff. She's gone her whole game is ruined for the rest of the game. You'RE GONNA AKKAS are fresh on day. Pointy YEAH AND PEOPLE REALLY. I think under arrest undervalue. The importance of investment in the alliance and Adam was so invested. This was his dream to make the Pretty Boys Right. And you were always on top of them like we joke around about. How often you talk about. How your lions and we're building a castle but like that kind of talk pumping them up out the alliance necessary to keep them. Invested in. Keep them cohesive together. If you like I said those those conversations that we had there had to have been substance with us because there's temptation everywhere you know what I mean you got. You got all these different people. Oh there's an unlicensed over here I need to be good with them and I need to know you guys have to stay here and don't move you. This is going to work. And you've got to trust you know these guys really. We really like invested like hard every every every conversation that we had it was an we gave everything. Look the one thing that I I knew it was going to happen. Earlier on a new market was going to go in my season. You know I just feel it and things Adam and Dan were saying mark playing the game and you know you're actually we do something of Aaron. I'm wondering you what you're saying to this guy who doesn't really have that many he's GonNa go wash the season I saw. Is it like the first three episodes march like slate of what's going to happen and honestly if we hadn't pulled back in and be like brothers let's cut our risk and put the blood and miss it together and we we had to pull event and really like done this stuff together like they all live they all they all would have left. It's very easy to fall the temptation but that reassurance that reassurance is is what everybody needs inside the Big Brother House you are still with us. You are one of us. We are fighting for you. I did this for you the other day. This person was hawking chip and I said this so that they stopped talking about you like those are the kind of reassurance scenarios. True or false that you need to put into people's heads syringe. Don't move. Yeah so I'm very curious about this. So what happened yesterday was like I said. They caught Vanessa that she had told men that Brooke told her to throw the veto competition. So that men wouldn't win. She was mins partner right so she told me it and said don't say anything really bad for me. If you say something in this gets out and so what happened was I said something. And it got out and immediately got back to Sheldon and broke and Kyle and they realized. Oh my God Vanessa told this to men and it was allied to begin with. It wasn't even real information that she looks just making stuff up about Brooklyn. She hates her and so they're like. Oh my God like what do we do? They were like men must have gotten to him in must've flipped her. And so we need to sit down and figure out what's going on. And so they brought her up and they said what did you say to men? Because she's saying that you told her that to throw the you told her. That Brooke told you to throw the veto competition and Vanessa Says No. I didn't know I don't know you're talking about. I didn't say a word to mention completely denies it? And they're in a situation. Where should we replace? Vanessa should we get rid of her but she knows everything if we we target her she'll blow us up in our games dead so like what do we do so anthony. I'm curious what should they do? In this scenario knowing what they know about Vanessa to have a quick private conversation and they need to really understand that. This is a huge problem. You can't just abort the plan because everything year her cards get exposed. Your cars get exposed. Made her feel kate but absolutely one hundred percent boot her because she's not down for the count. She's not a ride or die. She's literally just playing her game and trying to cover all bases which is not that. Good this early in the game especially in her position. That's the thing she's and this is what like Sheldon is talking about. And it's like I've been perplexed for a week now trying to understand why she's doing what she's doing because she's in such a great spot and she's content consistently just blowing things up left and right for no seemingly no purpose whatsoever and so like that's part of why. Sheldon couldn't see it because again he plays through logic. What she's doing makes zero logical sense so he's like sitting up there with Brooke Kyle and he's like I don't see the scenario like is she stupid and I just don't know like what is happening. Here why would she do it and so they just don't understand why she would even do this? And that's part of why they can't. They can't see what's happening but but yeah but the problem is that she knows so much that they have to keep her happy but part of why she's doing this is because she's not happy and so like you know. Do keep her in. Do you feed her fake information like do you have to just likes. Are you stuck with her for for weeks on end? Lagoda what do you do waters test the waters a little bit? They should already be trying to come up with some little plan. Okay well let's try this you her this and that and we'll see if it gets around your friends this person so we'll tell you know what I mean like you guys got to come up with a plan to this and it's got to be a plan where she feels like it will never come back on her. Let's just try this out and see if this will work but worse. She's gotTa go immediate. You don't want her to be able to snake as much at the same time. They'll all do their little bit. Don't snitch on all of those because it was too early you know. There's so many different scenarios that can happen. But she's definitely gotta go she's untrustworthy. She's not writing for guys. Yeah Yeah I mean I think I think probably the only thing to do here is kind of like well. Maybe hope that hero or Jomar wins in H. O. H. And the target Kyle. And just them Vanessa on the block next to Kyle. And then maybe try and get kyle to win the veto and then be like well if we want to damage kyle. Let's get over Nessa. Pretend with Vanessa that you're onboard the whole time until the vote comes in something like that but that's still. It's still Kinda hard to make that happen without her realizing. So it's it's such. It's such a weird spot for them to be in and the problem is that they aren't looking at it as the major problem that it is there. They caught her. They questioned her. She lied to them. She knew they knew she lied to them. But they still feel like well it's just Minh Minh is the problem if we can get rid of min she doesn't have anyone else to leak information to and that's where they're wrong because she does have carol and she does have Chris and they're actually starting to form things. Carol is working on Rian and Mattie now and she's trying to pull in Vanessa and she's telling them guys it's GonNa be just like the pretty boys but with girls and so they're I guess they're going to be the pretty girls. I haven't decided yet. I guess but but they're trying to do that. They also have a thing with Chris. So this is this is disaster in the making for caving BS. Yeah it's GonNa be interesting man. I Really WanNa see what happens with Manasseh. That's I feel like that's what I want to know the most right now. I WanNa know what's going on. What kind of plans regarding? She's gotTa be booted as you've already booted and and they've got to get to the bottom of this immediately so it's interesting because you hear her in the Dr and she's like. I got to save my Buddy Brooke since when you hate her. I see I see you on the feeds. I know you eight. Why are you pretending musical explanation for this behavior lurk withhold all of this adds up and causes great feeds and Grape TV? 'cause that's exactly what it's GonNa be. Yes absolutely anthony. This has been so much fun. You are a great guest mom. I appreciate it always good talking to you lying to lion. You know you even have my bag and I heard a couple you know. I've got fans sending me stuff The Nice thing say with me and my game. I really appreciate it anytime. You want me back on your here absolutely. We definitely need to talk to you again. As the season goes on I can already see in the chat. People are loving this. I know there's going to be great feedback so everyone tweet tweet about how much you loved. Anthony on the PODCAST. And of course makes you come and join me again tomorrow morning at eleven am Eastern. We'll update you on everything that happened today on the field again. It's been interesting few days. Definitely check out the life you'd update from today. 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Big Brother Canada 8 | March 20 | Overnight Update

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Big Brother Canada 8 | March 20 | Overnight Update

"Gary Armstrong dropping. Yes again all this John and GM Sandy Roger that he could tomorrow. We'll do it again. Colo everyone and good morning. Welcome to our live feed update for March Twentieth Taryn Armstrong and. I'm here today to update you on everything that happened yesterday. On the big brother candidate. Eight live feeds. I'm here on my own. Who unfortunately cannot join us this morning but but he'll be back next week we'll be. We'll be ready to go so but I'm here today on my own to talk to you about what happened last night on. The Big Brother candidate live feeds. Because yesterday during the day there was not a lot that was happening on the big brother. Candy feats feeds down all day for reasons that everybody is now aware of. I'm reasonably certain brand. So that's that's what we got going on here all right so let's talk about what happened. Sock road happened. It was day twenty in the House and we have a new H H H Sheldon. Is he won the competition we saw last night that it started they were hanging onto a bar and on a slope and it eventually. I think the top three or so people were Vanessa Chris and Sheldon and it eventually came down to Chris and Sheldon and Sheldon ultimately pulled out the win. Please let me know if you have questions in the chat as we go here. This is going to be a quick update because there's not a ton to talk about and I know I've said that before and it's like oh forty minutes half hour. I think I've got like if teen minutes of update here without without any questions. Feel free to ask as we go. Let's see I joe wants no? Do we think Sheldon and Brooke could get into a showman with all this alone time. One hundred percent one hundred percent. I'm getting serious serious vibes. I said yesterday I think it was yesterday the day before that I was getting catching some vibes from sheldon than I hadn't seen before and now I'm getting massive vibes from from the both of them that there's there's definitely some things happening between between them in my opinion. Nothing nothing explicit. I think a tap all right so we had sheldon win the H H however after the feeds came back. They got some alcohol and they had a bit of a party. Normally these parties are not on the feeds. But this one was a you know for whatever reason I guess and there was a party they did the things there was torquing. And you know I don't know party things stuff. If you WANNA watch it you can go watch it. This is not why I watch big brother. He's not much game going on so I don't really care to be honest but it happened to that went down. Men Did have a conversation with Vanessa out by the hot tub and thing is as I tweeted this out. I watched this conversation and I just like what are you. What are you doing? What are you doing to yourself last week? I had an update on Friday where I told you guys Sheldon won the H. And men needs to be worried because if she adds up I could see him going after her and last week I told you in hot tub. She's talking to Chris and Vanessa. About Sheldon and talking smack saying that is big big floater and him and Jomar need to go. I was like this is not smart for men. She doesn't know it but she can't trust Vanessa and Sheldon's h why is she talking smack well over the course of the week? She learned that Vanessa was a snake that you probably shouldn't be talking smack about the H. She ended up getting targeted by Sheldon. She was about to go home. And by the grace of Kyle. She managed to survive. So you would think that I would not be here on this Friday morning telling you that last night min was in the hot tub area talking to Vanessa about Sheldon and saying that he needs to go talking smack about Sheldon Vanessa. Again the exact same thing. What are you doing? What level of incompetence do you need to reach? Didn't do the exact same thing that you did a week ago. That was one of the reasons that led to your victim. That would have happened. It's so multifaceted here. Why are you talking to Vanessa of all people? Why are you talking smack about the George again after he just put you up? She seems to think that she's okay. She says to Vanessa will. Hopefully this week will be fine. Hopefully this week will be safe. Why would you think that it's the same guy in the same circumstances? Why are you talking to Vanessa? The person you know betrayed you who lied to your face about something she told you and not talking to the Joe. H Too much men. I literally said last night that I had been preparing questions for men's exit interview and I was thinking one of my questions was going to be. Why did you trust Vanessa so much? Over the course of last week I was like you know what I'm never going to get a chance to ask this question. And somehow were in the twilight zone and once again. I am preparing exit interviews for men at the end of this week and I'm going to have to ask. Why did you trust for that so much and I should add that. Why do you enjoy talking smack about the H. O? H. Two people you know you can't trust alright. Men's talking with Vanessa. Men's says Hey Vanessa. I'd like to work with you again. Let's go back to what we had. We can make this work. You know we had something special. Yes you cheated on me. You lied about it. You're still continuing to lie about it. But we can make this work Vanessa. It was meant to be right Vanessa. Of course like yeah. Let's do it and make it happen so they started. They start talking about the competition. How well Vanessa did and how well Chris and and Sheldon did we really underestimated and menzies. He's really good and he's really smart to. He knows the EXPEDIA board. He knows. All of it and Vanessa says Oh yeah one hundred percent and so is Toyota's Chris. Chris is also really smart and dangerous. We don't even need to get into now. The Kyle's gone. Vanessa needs a new number one allied to throw under the bus constantly. Maybe that's going to be Chris who knows she's needs to bring Chris into this man is now saying you're right. We need to get out Sheldon and Chris. Thank you Vanessa for this valuable information. Let's target Chris and Sheldon together. Get them both out of the game is like yeah now that I haven't now that I know that. Kyle's Gosh I need to make you go after my other ally bad if you go after people that are not my allies. So please go. After my allies it's necessary for us to go through the same cycle that we went through last week. This justice really practiced anybody who me. No no Vanessa practices anybody. That is my ally because she can talk smack about anybody that is not her ally she can get into target. Anybody that does not Chris. There are lots of people in this game that Vanessa is not working with in particular jail re Mattie here a lot of people who are actively targeting her but instead she wants to make people target Chris or number one ally. The person who's like next she was sucking earlier during the party. Like it's crazy that was men and NASA invent what was up with the Sheldon and Mattie thing so during the party thing sheldon was talking about a his nipples. Yeah I said his neck. She was sucking his nipples. Sorry guys chat made me want to say it so calm during the party thing. Sheldon said that like Mattie is the kind of woman that he would date or whatever and then afterward in private he was like I was lying. Brooke. It's not really matty. So that was that was the sheldon and Mattie thing all right so Chris is going to have a conversation with Sheldon and he Chris goes it goes up to the Hoa Trim and Christmas. Come on Bro. Let's do it. Let's do a man we can. We can do this. We're just going to win back to back to back to back. And so they talk about back during men that seems to be the plan. Men In general seems to be the plan so Chris is like I just feel like back door the most straightforward option easy. Because that's how Chris thanks and so apparently Carol has already volunteered for the block. Not only volunteered. She's actually asked to be nominated and that people vote her out. She's asking that people vote now. Aren't we all happy and Jovial and the situation of these players in the house She's asked me to be voted out and they're not GonNa do it of course but sheldon is going to take the opportunity to use her as pot. So Carol is going up on the block and Chris and Sheldon are trying to figure out. Well who do. We put up next to Carol if we're going to Back Door Min Michelle and says well let me. Let me go and see if I can get any other volunteers. And then if not we'll figure something out and Sheldon and Chris like yeah if not. You'll just put someone up anyway. John's like yeah. Maybe maybe then they talk about locking in their alliance of five. We've missed a luck guys. We've missed a lot. We've been doing a lot of analysis. That is kind of days old at this point especially now that we've had an entire day of feeds that we haven't seen where Kyle was removed from the game and kyle was a big piece on the board so I do not. I did not hear them. Actually name this five but they talked about the girls in the five and so my educated guests here. I'm very confident about the fact that it's sheldon broke Chris and Vanessa. Those four are definitely involved. I am very positive that the fifth would be Su. Su was involved in this as well. So it's it's basically like six feet under minus Carol and swap. Kyle for Chris like that so so they're talking about locking in this alliance and making it official tomorrow which is now today and so so sheldon's been doing some work while the feeds were down making sure he is locking this kind of thing in and he's talking with Chris about it. Chris says he wants to go deep with Sheldon. Now that Kyle is out. They can really just run the table. Here that one kyle was involved he was always a little sketched out. We saw in the episode. And we've seen on the feeds that Chris has talked about feeling like Kyle's kind of a liar and that he actually trusts sheldon a lot more and that the only thing that's catch tomato sheldon was this potential alliance with Jomar and hero and feeling like that might be thing but now with Jim are gone. I do wonder if this will help with the Chris and Sheldon relationship. I think that Chris might feel pretty. Good about this overall. This five-person thing again with Vanessa involved. You'll never know but that's that's being worked on. So then we get to Brooke and Sheldon and Brooke says hey you know what I feel really really good about this new thing the girls. Yeah you talk to them. She's like yeah matty and re we're gonNA lock something so that we saw in the episode last night also where they were proposing something to Mattie. Enrico seems to be as well and Brooke feels good about it. She says that she's talked to them. That she feels like they're pretty genuine and that they do want to work with them and go deep with them so so sheldon and broke locking in alliance over here with Chris. Sue and Vanessa locking in a bit of a working relationship slash alliance with with Mattie and Arri and obviously they still have hero in what is now not exactly five out but maybe four out and of course they still have a very close personal working relationship with J. L. So basically they are working with the entire house which is not that surprising because they already were doing that but a little surprising given all of the disastrous circumstances that have befallen them. They seem to have recovered decently well here and if it weren't for sheldon needing to win to h his back to back. I'd say they're in a pretty crushing spot at the moment but obviously The two wins is going to be a weight that is going to have to carry for for a while here in terms of threat level but other than that seems to be in an okay spot seems to be in a spot where they've got a lot of their bases covered and they're they're in a situation where there are two alliances are basically targeting each other. The victors are targeting. Vanessa and Chris and Vanessa and Chris should be targeting the victors but there there there may be a bit more wild Cardi than that and so we'll have to wait and see what happens there but but that we have gotten confirmation from both ends for the most part that is what's happening as of right now they will be talking to each other leaving Sheldon and care and Brooke mostly clean but again. You never know what's going to happen. Not only with Vanessa and Chris as wild cards but also with the target. That is now on Sheldon's back for winning back to back. H is eighteen points out and careless targeting Carol. Yup Now we're going to take a quick break for our sponsors and we'll be right back and we're back so let's go back to the show so they talk about what to do. The two men is is the right call. Here is the right person to target and with how they've set things up. That is definitely. The reality of the situation is allowing. Sharron to compete. Was the only fair thing to do. He is now one and we are now going to see a similar week to last week because the right move for him has it actually has like things have shifted but ultimately the right move is the same thing that he was going to do last time and so men is. Tammy says does not fit into any of his plans. She's already talking about like trying to like she's already the only person trying to raise the threat flag on Sheldon and and trying to sound the alarm and go after Sheldon even though he's the Hoa true. Just put you on the block last week. She's already trying to do that. So it's definitely the right. Call here to take her out of the game. He'd seems like he's probably in a pretty good spot if she can leave the question is how do you do that? We have sheldon ties telling broke that. Chris really wants me to back door her. Because that's how Chris operates he's He. He loves the back door and but he's like but I don't really WanNa put anybody else if I don't have to write like I just got him off my back by saying we'll find out if there are any volunteers and if not I'm just going to put them in next to Carol and hope she doesn't win the veto because they're working with the entire house and so if sheldon uses somebody else's at target or as a as a pond than that that's not great for them diminish it devalued the relationship that he's building with them and it could topple the House of cards so sheldon's idea is just put Up Min next to Carol. If men wins the veto in that unfortunate case then you know what just put up as a as a backup target century home and a see where they go from there. That's actually not ideal for them at this point. But they're gonNA they're gonNA see what they can do so they also talk about like hitting a low point the night before with everything that was going on the like after Kyle left it was just like like things. Were crashing down around them. Losing Jomar Losing Kyle. Not Getting there getting through. They kind of felt like. Where do we go from here in the game because this is a disaster and now just one day later? They feel like they've already turned things around. They already feel like they're back on top of the relationships and the structure of the House. And you know it's early days but it does seem like a far off in that sense so we'll see we'll see we'll see but I was. I was a little bit impressed at at the recovery here from Sheldon Brooke considering how much went wrong for them so they're currently yes crawley situated with the victors. The new five five four out now. Some major major flirty vibes going on here major. They talked about like how they were wrestling. And she's like. Oh yeah like like my nose guy cut or something and he he kind of did like oh no. I'm so sorry we shouldn't wrestle like that. And he's kind of like wiped the nose with this with this Tom and and like like Kinda like Kinda like grabbed her arm. You know what I mean like like. Oh No. And there's a lot of touching and a lot of like playfulness which is like not Sheldon's default state of being right so this is this has progressed over the last few days like I was. I was like Like three days ago it was like it was like Brooke and Sheldon hanging out a lot but then like feeds. Were down for a while they came back and I was like Whoa. There's there's definitely more vibe here and then feeds down for a bit and now they're back again now. It's like Whoa. Now there's now this feels like massive stuff here so do not be surprised. Do not be surprised and so we also have sue. Andris talking. They both really want men out. There really worried about her. She's strong. She can win competitions and she just keep surviving They say that the the week after men. Whoever wins recess this week after men goes after this week? Whoever wins H H has a blood freak? If all the they can just send Carol Home Blood Free Week because she's asking to go home a but does that. Look good on your resume like really really going to do that. Like thing is they. Don't want her self vicks so I think we should send out. But what does she know what she signed up for? She now like what's going on here So they talked about that. I should also say that the the rumors of me being wrong last night. News of me being wrong about Carol Ann how? I said that she would never be a have not in the whole season. It seemed as though she was a having said all right. I'll take this one. I was wrong. I said she wouldn't have not matern out. We were premature and admitting wrongness. I was actually not wrong. I was wrong to admit that I was wrong because Carol is not a have not jail says in particular well. Carol is off limits. So she would. She couldn't have been avenue so no carols not have not there you go. You're welcome all right. Honestly that's about about it. That's what we got from the from the stuff here so any other questions from you guys before we wrap this up There's definitely going to be some more maneuverings happening today. I think that again this new state of the house is something that were still learning but it does seem like the house had a massive shakeup and somehow sheldon broke managed to stay right in the middle in great spots now other people that have benefited from this sue is in a great spot as well with broken sheldon. She is in most of their alliances and doesn't have as much of a target and but also doesn't have as many loyal allies but she's definitely benefited from Kyle leaving and is in a good spot. Hero benefits greatly from. Kyle leaving now. He is in a better spot that he now has sheldon and broke a bit more loyal to him and and has less of a target on his back jail. Mattie and re actually this is bad for them that jail in particular I think is going to become a big target soon from the Vanessa and Chris side of things and Rian Mattie they really they were supposed to have the three of them they were supposed to have weeks of safety just hanging back not having to do anything wellcoll and Jomar and hero and Vanessa and all of them battled it out. They were supposed to be able to sit back and watch. But essentially Big Brother stepped in and just remove that battle directly. Remove that battle from the game and so now they don't have that buffer so it's not great for them but it is good for hero and sue for sure. It's actually not great for Vanessa or Chris. It's very bad for them. They could be targeted much sooner now as well certainly didn't exactly. I mean it was good for me and in that she didn't get evicted but not good for in the sense that she's probably going to be visited now so in terms of how does this shift things in my opinion based on what we're seeing that we had a situation where a so basically victor's down. Vanessa. Chris down in the Middle Crew Sheldon broke hero. Sue Up that. That's where things seem to shifted. We'll see how long that lasts. But but actually feel very very confident in this in this crew. Four out now we I. I'm going to call them for out. Even though it probably doesn't make sense in the basketball thing I think that they're in a good spot now again. There's still there's still more to learn about the state of the House. As far as we know the things could be different. Things could be shifted in directions that we haven't seen yet but but that seems to be where things are at the moment so any other questions. Where's Chris Chris? Future path honestly. It's probably either. His side wins and targets the victors and then the victors team up with Sheldon Brooke and sue and and then fight back against Chris or the victors. Take Chris and then that's actually worse for Sheldon and broke. Because then they have to team up with Vanessa to to go after the accusers. Which would be a mess. But but I don't think Chris this is bad for Chris. Kyle was a big shield in front of Chris and this is. This is definitely not good for him. Especially now that so publicly associated with Vanessa. I made a joke about the sucking from Vanessa. I you know what if I don't specify it's worse is V. Intimacy the public displays of affection. Nothing nothing crazy but regular public displays of a little bit crazy a little bit crazy public displays of affection from Vanessa and Kris really helping solidify them as a pair. She got rid of one of her. You know she was in a pair with Kyle and took heat for that and then also threw him under the bus and then immediately has now solidified also now in a pair with Chris and is taking heat for that and is also throw him under the bus so she's kind of laterally moved and then her entire position has also shifted down in general so save an ESA was a logical player. What does her best move right now. That is far too complicated question because there's so much to parse through. If Vanessa's a logical player. I have to completely reset my entire her entire game at that point if she suddenly became logical what would she do she would be talking to the victors? She'd be trying to develop a relationship with them. She would not be throwing Chris under the bus. Should be avoiding min letting men go home this week. Not Getting too involved in that anymore. and outing sheldon after the veto So after sheldon goes after men she so she she should be spending time developing relationships with the victors as much as possible blaming all of their attention on Kyle saying that Kyle was getting in her ear about them but now that he's gone. She feels like she's been. She was fooled that the cloud has been lifted and that she actually really likes them and so try to start to develop that relationship with them. Let Sheldon go after men after the veto is used and he can't do anything any more than go to them and out as much as you can about sheldon without destroying yourself. Too much in terms of like Sheldon was actually in a secret alliance with Kyle Sheldon has been doing all these things and he's trying to play the middle between the two of us so what we need to do is gather together because he's so strong competitions and we need to take him out. That's Vanessa's best. Move if she is playing logically but But as of right now it seems like she's focusing a lot of attention men and also throwing Chris under the bus but that doesn't mean that she won't do something like that she just might also do a lot of other things that will completely undermine them on undermine that so any other can make it through this this addiction. What is your best way to stay man? Can she make it through the eviction if she wins a veto Maybe she was bathing Vanessa. Maybe she goes to Sheldon and says to Sheldon. Hey guess what I was talking to Vanessa and the hot area and she wants to target you. She said that you are dangerous in the game. Try to throw it on Vanessa. But I don't know if that'll work It's your best play at this though. I don't think there's another option but honestly I don't think she's going to do. It hasn't really been implemented doing much here as anybody looking at sheldon is a big target. After this week at men men is really the only one publicly talking about it with Vanessa. So obviously Vanessa as well. But I haven't really seen her talk with anybody other than men about it but I'm sure they will the even if they're not right now I mean if people are being smart right now and not talking about it. Because he's h except for men and Vanessa because there but I'm sure people will eventually so the question is is he well insulated enough which it seems like he is to deflect away from that Allah. You know Dane sort of thing. Where does here we go from here? Here's sticks Sheldon and Brooke. They are now sort of locked in with him and have no reason to target him and because they have so much influence in the house right now they can really help protect him and the shields for him so he's actually in a pretty nice spot all he needs to do is continue to develop relationships and let Sheldon and Brooke steamroll the House for a little while until he needs to make a move against them so the question is will he make the move against them. When the time comes for right now he doesn't really need to do much other than just continue to build. Does Angie actually have a plan? Probably to be honest we just don't we just haven't seen seen it because we don't really see Andrew a lot I think. Maybe she's going after jail. Maybe it's hard to know fifteen minutes. I said. Hey I said fifteen minutes without questions. We're doing questions now. We're patting we're having fun. Is Angie actually in the game? She is she's still there. I still think Angie's underrated if I'm being honest. I think Angie Really. I think she's still has a shot. I really do especially because like most of the people that really don't respect her. Kyle in particular gone if men is also gone before jury. Say say do you think some of the girls will get together now that they dominate the house? Well you have to look at the women in the house right. There's Vanessa men Angie Minin. Angie hate each other. Vanessa admin massive wildcards. Then you have mattie and re who hate Vanessa and also men and then you have Brooke who is fully loyal to Sheldon if sue whose loyalty sheldon and Brooke and so when you look at it and then you have carol who is. Who is the person most beating the drum of women should work together but she seemingly hates herself in the game and wants to leave so the answer is probably no they probably will not get together but I would not be surprised if a woman wins the game because most of the women in the house do feel like could they want a woman to win and even if they don't work together in the jury that could be an influence so not to mention the fact just numbers wise. It's incredibly more likely woman wins because there are twice as many women in the house. So that's that's also a factor all right so one more question. Let's let's try to get one more question here if I can find one. Maybe I can't maybe I can't all right here we go. Do we think that sewage more loyal to Sheldon and broke. Then Chris I do. I do think she's more loyal to shell in Brooklyn Chris. She's in more alliances with Sheldon Brooke than she is with Chris. She tells sheldon and Brooke more things than she does. Chris and also. She doesn't really like Chris on a personal level. She's like creeped out by him. And you know that so I do not. I do not think that she's more with Chris. Now I feel pretty comfortable in that in that conclusion. All right there we go. Thank you guys for hanging out with me. We had a fun time. We had a fun time this morning. We made it. We made an update out of not much information. You guys had some good questions so thank you for hanging out with me. I will be alive tomorrow morning at eleven. Am Eastern to update you and everything that happens today. On the big brother candidate live feeds. Should be should be interesting. We've got a game now. We've gone things I do feel like we can maybe have some semblance of an interesting season moving forward from this point Hit the reset. Just throw throw throw the last couple weeks in the trash. Empty the trash and And just forget it happens. Don't forget it happen. It's important lessons that we learnt but but I do think that we can maybe have interesting season from this point forward so make sure you tune in tomorrow morning and then Sunday I will be live with Godfrey talk about everything that's been happening in this crazy house Tuesday. Of course back for the roundtable. I hope you guys enjoyed or will enjoy if you haven't listened yet my conversation with Derek of Asir about survivor that we did last night. So check that out. If you haven't and you can find me on twitter at Armstrong tearing me on twitch twitch dot TV slash Taryn Armstrong. Thank you for joining me. I'll see you next. This is rob sister. Nina thanking you for listening to this episode of our reality. Tv perhaps shows like this or made possible because of you the listener and the support of our patron community connecting reality TV fans around the globe to start getting access to all the perks of becoming a patron visit. Us AT ROB has website dot com slash patron. 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"Hi everyone I'm a sterile and I hope you have enjoyed listening to season three four. Where should we begin? We working hard at producing season for. But in the meantime let me introduce you to my fellow. podcasters Jonathan Goldstein with his podcast heavyweight. Jonathan is a fantastic stick psychological anti locator and he to helps people get unstuck take singular events of their life that have been knowing at them for a decades and try to make sense getty answers that they've been hoping for for so long why two brothers have spoken to each other for forty years. What happens when you are told that you had a child that is now ten years old and you never knew about it? Why did you mother force you to stop being on the basketball team when you loved it so much? Jonathan helps people go back to those sources and have the difficult conversations while he offers witnessing and support report to those impasses Allah Ella from Gimblett media. This is Jonathan Goldstein. Your old pal. It's always called Gimblett Gimblett media. That's correct it. Sounds like giblets the inside of a chicken chicken like all the innards. Everybody loves GIBLETS. Oh Shit there my kids. Do you know what my new podcast is about I. No I don't know anything about it. Each week I travel into people's passed to help them repair something. That's been troubling them I'm sort of like a therapist like like a therapist. Yeah to find funny I just think supportive Puertas. That's the laughter of Support Great. I think it's great. Do you have any questions for me. About what my show is and what it's going to be like What's the name of your show? What's the name your show? Yes we're going to go now but Johnson just about somebody named because new show as soon as tells me I'm going to bang down on him and five way way to do that. Hang up the phone on each other. Okay ready yes. That's the name of the show is heavyweight heavyweight. You get it to one. No Hello Hello From Gimblett media. I'm Jonathan Goldstein. And this is heavyweight. Today's episode buzz. Hello Hey dad I johnny. Hey how you doing good you good good good yum tooth. Shana Tova AXA MIA yeah. What's that I'm not sure? Oh this is my father buzz. I'm calling him at his home in Montreal. And the reason we're talking crazy talk is because it's yum kipper. The Jewish Day of Atonement which seems as good a day as any to talk with him about forgiveness So Oh I wanted to. I wanted to ask you something and I just wanted to gauge your interest. Yep How how would you feel about paying your brother Sheldon visit. I have no feelings. I am not really interested. You're not no my father. Buzz is eighty and his brother Sheldon. His only sibling is eighty-five and for the past forty years. They've pretty much been on the outs. My father lives in Montreal and Sheldon lives in Florida and the last time they saw each other over twenty years ago was at their mother's funeral enroll when they had a fight over the details of the arrangements since then they've hardly spoken. It worries me because there's not a lot of time left and I don't want my father to have regrets when the subject of his brother comes up as it often has over the years. My father feels competing things. He grows angry or defensive but other times he'll become sad and remorseful and it's the sorrow and the remorse that I like best. Because it's these feelings that I believe speak to his better herself the self I want to encourage. I'm not surprised. You're not jumping at the idea. But I'm a little surprised at your is against the idea APP times past He hasn't shown much interest. I'm respecting that. I leave him alone when he did do was he. He called you on your eightieth birthday Not Not long ago on his eightieth birthday. This kind of tit for tat accounting is what always gets in the way. There's been a competition between the brothers. Since I was a kid I remember how in my grandmother's small New York Kitchen Sheldon Buzz. got into an argument about who could do the most pushups and the next thing I knew my father was pulling off his shirt and dropping to the kitchen floor in his undershirt. My mother not used to seeing the side of them stood over my father flapping dish towel hysterically while begging him to the point of tears to please stop. Now you go. My father said rising coming from the floor when he was done but sheldon shook his head with a smile it was like he didn't even think my father was worth the effort. You know what it is at this point would him. I tell you what it is. I don't think it's even anger. He's passed anger and he passed any any yet feelings of animosity. He's pissed that he just doesn't care. Yeah you know that's apathy I mean. Sometimes you at least hate or love their emotions apathy is nothing. Yeah you know what Johnny as a child. Even when I was ten when I was nine and eight I I was crazy about him. We had a great. You know I love them. He was the the older brother he would allow listening You know I just looked alum and he had all the friends that finally take me along along with him and he was a somebody tries to. Somebody tried to call here here. Don't you see buzz. It's father time. Who is bringing you here and buzz lose track of time? Air Conditioners remain boxed all through July and expired coupons from the mid nineties. Make it plump his wallet so I worry he'll put off reaching out to sheldon until it's too late the the most complicated question the one I keep coming back to is how did the bad blood began and there are many versions and ill fated trip to Montreal where Sheldon and felt slighted about having to stay in my father's basement and they'll fade a trip to New York where my father felt slighted about having to stay Sheldon's attic rude words spoken to each other's wives in one version of the story Sheldon's refusal to bring a table to my bris almost resulted in my being circumcised on an ironing board but in the version being told today my father was asked by Sheldon to pay more than his fair share for their mother's funeral and I said you always working some kind of an angle so then he got furious he got furious. He started screaming at that phone. Go to hell drop dead by bad he was that that was how that ended. But I I I feel. He's the Kinda Guy Gun. He has angles like that. You know he has angles. I always felt that was on the up and up with him and he wasn't with meet. If you got a stronger sense that he was interested in seeing you then would you yes. Yes painted eight at House though. That's okay quick sidebar. Anytime I've ever raised the prospect of visiting Sheldon no matter how hypothetical the scenario my father always makes disappoint of insisting how no matter what he would not stay in Sheldon's house even if he was invited to which I should point out he never is. I wouldn't say this house. How come you? I wouldn't fade here. I mean not not my thing how come you always bring that up. I mean morally goes to visit someone that they haven't seen in decades. Stay at a hotel you know I would create a motel or somewhere near a motel. Yeah no we get a place a S- you know with an ice machine and you know you wanNA. You're interested in making a trip. I mean I'm interested. Do you think that there's anything to be gained in in seeing him Hundred what is I. Guess there's something then but you know you share your common experience and talk about the old days and there are things that only I can remember. You know you know you what you could you could call them and see what what what what does attitude is. You know it depends on you. Know how how how how you feel what kind of reception. Yeah I mean I would. I would be happy to do that. I like your initial so Suggestion that you call them feel him out and see what he's like okay. I didn't suggest that you suggested that I like that. It just give me an honest. You'll give me an honest reaction. I'm happy to do it. But what are you looking for from from. What do you want to hear from him? I miss my brother. I would like to see him. Okay Natural Okay and you come back on me anywhere Sheldon yes speaking's quite a shock getting a phone call. You said Jonah's Yeah I am. I hearing is not that right okay and when I heard the first message I'm saying who the heck recco anybody by that name Sheldon lives outside of Fort Lauderdale but my few memories of him are from when he lived in upstate. New York I remember he lived in a trailer. I remember that he worked at a local prison that he smoked cigars that he looked a little like my father but was hunched like the world was weighing down on on him and he always wore this expression on his face. That seemed to say. You gotta be kidding me. You're keeping okay. You keeping occupied. I arena lot. I go to gym. I go shopping here a little things here and that and so you so you still go. How often do you go to the gym three times a week? Wow what kind of stuff do you do there. Well I do about Twenty minutes of aerobics and then I will little weight training. I tried to flirt a little with the women German. Oh Yeah My father also goes to the gym It that's a part of his routine also he was. He was happy to hear from you on his eightieth birthday. He didn't call me on my eighty fifth. Go Tit me tat. Yeah like so you know maybe we could Go Out for dinner. I don't know that kind of saying well. Look what kind of a timeframe are we talking about it allies allied should have been much different than and all. I'm much we have to have in common anymore. we don't have. We don't have much in common anymore except the fact where elderly and retired a man. I don't and we have in common. You have your past and common. Yes I'll tell you honestly. I'm not a very sentimental person and I and I and being a pragmatist. I take things the way they I try not to while upon the past and I try not to take people the way. Yeah I remember them but as they are. Do you think that makes things easier. My thing here for for me to do do other people around. You sometimes doesn't make it harder for other people around you. You ever to be honest with you. I've been in the last few years I've been a loaner basically almost call me a rico's I don't socialize would many people and I really don't give a damn what anybody thinks and contrary to popular belief I like being alone. I should've I get along with myself very well. Yeah Yeah I don't WanNa be will. Yeah yeah but I want to go have my lunch. Oh yeah yeah that's fine. It's fine I Sheldon Sheldon. I appreciate your talking to me and you'd be amenable to To to spending some time why not we are brought me. We're not close or anything but You know We're not gonna our chance to see each other much in the future. Yeah is that anything that you think about not much snow and so I call my father back and let them know that Sheldon is amenable and and because I know that for my father the days tend to pile up like on boxed air conditioners. I have my mother get on the phone to help. Nail down a firm travel date dieting working work ago if that wants to go if he wants to go next week then we don't have to go on the weekend we go during the week. Yeah come to the you know you caught me off guard. How about a quarter Wednesday Thursday? How's that today's Monday or yeah or even a tomorrow you can call me? Ah Okay. I'll probably according to the latest Thursday Thursday at the latest. That's three days from today. Yeah okay You do what you WANNA do. y'All call me but Thursday coming up after the break Thursday Levin work at the two pillars of our life. The job has always been that place where I've been needed in in feel important. This show is not about the workplace. It is a show about the people who work in that place over Kasarani radius that communications company with both like dressed in Ito. Communicating House. Work is out now funnel and listen for free on spotify and so on Thursday possibly with a little nudging from my mother buzz agrees and then my father and I are off to Florida to visit my Uncle Sheldon within type. You have an address I do. Okay my dad and I meet up at the Fort Lauderdale Airport. I flew from New York and my dad from Montreal. My father's all dressed up wearing a faux suede sports jacket that I've never seen him in. We we grabbed our airport rental and prepare for the two hour drive to Sheldon in the ninety degree heat immediately made clear that Faux Suede might not have been the best fashion choice like we're on a safari on the road. To Sheldon's my father will experience a spectrum of feelings as we first set Out There's excitement. My brother was funny in a lot of ways I could laugh. We're GONNA have left with him. He's a very funny man a half an hour in win and there's bitterness we invited to your bombers and he returned a very cold cod. Sorry we will not be attending. Excuse me you know what I mean the writing an hour in. And how is buzz feeling relaxed. Cut All to get anxious a half an hour to sheldon's little bit apprehensive. Ten minutes to Sheldon's tendons and buzzes. Feeling you feeling a little It's going to be strange. Yeah it's going to be very strange age. I mean the man is a stranger to me now and he yet. He's my brother you understand. It's a very strange feeling. Yeah I want to face get nervous. 'cause he's waiting for us right now. Aw you'll set. Yeah it's hot. It's really hot. Yeah Sheldon lives in the Corner House on a quiet suburban street ringo. I guess it's this door double check maybe various uh Donna Young. Yeah thank you smell of cigar the become a monk. May I got a cat. After all the years in the worry and dread things seemed to be going swimmingly we sit down and Sheldon's kitchen table and my father gets right into it about this things I wanna know you said that rainy died. She did the dead are a good place place to begin. As a subject they're easily agreed. Upon and not likely to spark a fight. Uncle died he was the youngest brother who died long ago he died or you know who died. Who des Real Prick? Yeah yeah mich- more shots. Yes he was fat he was fat. Red Head. Read write cache remember. Johnny Johnny was a sex maniac. Would faulk dog on the street if we saw the dog and try to. Can I get you guys cold beer. I like beer. Ophir revere thank you though. They're in their eighties. Sheldon and buzz still possess voices and temperament suited to shouting out Brooklyn tenement windows while my voice Ollivier is best suited. Tasking a waitress. If there will be a sharing charge like the case in point this is sheldon accidentally swiping portable. Microphone receiver off the kitchen table and me trying to smooth things over when it's annoying just put it in the In your pocket. They're just all over. The next couple of days might testes will flee like frightened cockroaches upward ascending to heights not seen since the Bar Mitzvah. That Sheldon was not attending. And while we're on the subject of testes here's sheldon reminiscing about the time. He was examined for a rupture by their family doctor. Meanwhile joining the weightlifting say how to be tested corruption. Being put his hand on my balls I started laughing so hot I piss right in his hand over the years. I've seen my father in the role of husband uncle and grandfather but I've never really seen him in the role of younger brother. How odd to see it now at eighty he sits beside sheldon with this expression? I've never seen on his face. It's wide eyed sweet wheat and deferential but as the day wears on Sheldon Buzz Begin to squabble over their memories fighting over every little detail. Remember Hal blue. You had with the Diet head diet that heavyset girl. So manicures chose ahead. Diane manicurist I know she was ahead die. Here's what happened. She went over to Erva even argue over. The death of their grandmother found her body. I don't know why my mother was across cross Judy Greenberg. I remember war on and I knew she was dead. I never saw a dead body in my life but I knew she was that sure and so we found our you founder. I remember looking in on. It was awfully quiet I found but let on the whole afternoon is like this every subject even their dead grandmother somehow somehow becomes fodder for another pissing match the burning up all this time with small talk when what they need is some big talk in particular. They need to address a story that I know who holds a great deal of meaning for my father. It took place in nineteen thirty nine on the day their mother left them. I've only ever heard the story from my father never from Sheldon. I wanted to ask you remember what your perspective I will. I remember that time was when pop was smacking Iran Ron and she ran out in the hall. No slip fighting in the whole he he. He was smashing back on here. She ran out yet so what happened the next morning warning the next morning closet a closer gone she left. What happened after this us in my father's telling is that his mother returns soon after she left with a policeman in tow and he they came back to try to get you? They wanted you to come back back with them. And where were you. I was there but she was. They were trying to break outs. Warren contriving. Say My my father. Graham this is the point of the story for my father it proves once and for all all how his mother love Sheldon more than she loved Him Sheldon. Didn't move out with her and after a year their mother returned and together Buzzing Sheldon grew under the same roof in the same bedroom often sleeping under the same blankets each knowing who the mother had chosen and each having to do their best to to carry on and live life with the burden of that knowledge A couple times during the day I ask them why they haven't spoken so long and they both insist maybe out of embarrassment embarrassment that they do talk just not often but it isn't true in fact my father learned of Sheldon's wife's death many years after the fact act and then only from me Sheldon's daughter got in touch through facebook and we made a phone date where she caught me up on her life and Sheldon's and a few nights later well over at my parents for dinner. I told my father of a sister-in-law's death. There was a terrible look that fell across his face. One of sadness but something else to you maybe shock over just how far he and Sheldon had drifted. I found out about judy about her death. Who Your Wife didn't know about it either until you told me Yeah I didn't I tell you you know you know about it? We didn't know we didn't know. She was sick about two years. June well when she got the diagnosis she was already stage for. Oh by can't cited the short gin so he said so. I says well how to surgery. Oh ensure that went very well. What the cancer in her liver now also spread out Linda? I said what and top of that. I'm driving home are more fucked up and I'm spaced out and my driver windows so some kids. pull up alongside of flip bullets cigarette at the my car no easily Amanda by myself Stay for dinner. Sheldon takes us to a local outback steakhouse house as people walk by. You provides a running commentary of an elderly couple execution attention of an overweight couple. It's as though he sharpening his wit readying readying it for the main event teasing my dad about Canada. How you could take Canada on your white got Nice Neighbors Nice? I wasn't gonNA say same place about thirty five there it for my father I know this is a touchy subject. Believing as he always has that Sheldon looks down on him for the thinking of his Canadian life and home. It's like a constant reminder of just who is second best later my father will repeat Sheldon's words. You're still living in that same place he'll say for how many years but just then I watch my father clench and unclench his jaw as he does when he is brooding thing. I know he's trying to take the high road trying not to ruin the evening to one dollars and thirty Sheldon Lyn invites us back to his place for cookies but my father says he is up for it. I think as we walk through the restaurant parking lot to the car. My father is silent. I find myself feeling protective of them after midnight. Lying awake in our hotel. My father insisted we stay at one. I lay in bed thinking about that day in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine when my grandmother came back for Sheldon not my father for my father not only did it push him away from Sheldon making him feel jealous and resentful but it also cast a shadow over for the rest of his life causing him to always feel passed over. He's mellowed with age but as a kid I saw it come out in all kinds of ways always sensitive to slights. It's ready for a fight at the smallest perceived defense. I wonder if there's a different way from my father to see things. If there is the only living person in this world who who can help his sheldon when their mom laughed sheldon was nine. My father. Five Sheldon would have understood a lot more than my father. Yesterday Buzzing Sheldon talked like a couple of kids he used to play stickball in the old neighborhood. Today if me and my big fat meddling Yap have any sway. They'll they'll have a chance to talk as men as brothers even because if not now when day to this damn good Cigar Dominica Republican. They make a damn good Gar in the medical. Despite the difficulties of last tonight the coin is flipped back to the good side Sheldon offers. My father a cigar and with a cigar some cigar. Talk some pretty foul cigar talk. We're right now Queens Boulevard. Johnny's in the backseat with the whole. He's got his naked ass up and the funny thing and we had a stop light trump. I if you guys missed each other what miss each other you know. He is the we this quiz. What is your broad? No I don't know that's you know eager to prove to my uncle Sheldon held in that. In spite of the fact I'm wearing my wife's travel deodorant. I am indeed not abroad. I allow them to return to more pressing matters. Their prostates guy says Jesus says your prostate feels like the moon craters and thank you dr complementing if I could steer this away from the prostates. It's so my father said that it significant to him to have come. Would you say I agree with whatever he said but what about you said. I agree with what he said. You WanNa written. It feels like I'm getting a taste aced of growing up with Sheldon might have been like so again. I make my move so I have some questions Just about because the stories is that I know from my father but I'm curious what your take is because you were older. Do you remember What what what was going on when your mom when your mother left originally like what what why what was going on then to call this ground found before yesterday but from my perspective the way I understood it was always you were the favourite? Did you did you feel that way at this. This point Sheldon's face suddenly softens. I always vote the I got the short end of the stick. You of you were kind the favourite with my mom my mom 'cause maybe temperamentally. We were closer than I was with my father. My father never gave me spit. Did you ever get any money from my father. Can't remember you got to nine. I can't remember one time. I sprained my ankle so bad. That was terrible. I laid in that bed. My Angie was EH system you lazy bum. Yeah Man. He went off on me. He Sheldon Wants Sheldon happen to say the word. Fuck he came in with bad. fucking strep swinging with the Balkan and look I understand that leaving the feeling of resentment and dislike. Hey that was his way of communicating with us US smack smack and what a way was easier on you. You think it wasn't that easy but he was. It's tough on on show was. I know you're close to them then. I was a lot of things that went on. Union understand really well we the C.. You had a different take. Why are you? Are you surprised by but I was a kid. I didn't understand it. You didn't know the children was getting so bad in buzzes telling their father was always more or less benign childish figure incapable of expressing his feelings and so so given to temper tantrums for buzz. It was their mother who was the manipulator. The woman who played the brothers off each other but hearing sheldon's take it sounds like maybe their mother didn't come to take sheldon because she loved him best but simply because he needed more protecting from their father for the first time during our trip. I can see my father considering Sheldon's point of view actually taking it in. I know it's intense for him because he can't even meet Sheldon's is instead. He looks at me addresses his comments to me. They said that my father such a negative impact on him. You know just awful. Because he had so much going for me. He was a wonderful son. He works hard. He's a good boy. You told you went to school like I'm a failure and low. You weren't a fate and that's the thing I'm saying and learn a fait but I'm saying is that emotionally. He left and impact on took a long time for me to get out of that image and and now on a piece of myself I can talk about him and laugh about it now. I want a piece choir. I'm happy living by myself. Are you lonely. Show you the last time. My father saw my grandfather and full health. My Dad was visiting from Canada. My grandfather asked my father to drive into the cemetery to visit his parents grave and once there. My grandfather wept inconsolably later that day. A huge succumb to a stroke and shortly after be moved to a nursing home with Sheldon being more local. The burden of my grandfather's care fell mainly to sheldon It's seems like a lot of the families. Burdens fell to Sheldon. They put a lot of a lot of the responsibility on him that my dad should have been taking that responsibility ability and he showed that who would take care you. Who's going to take it a school media member? One time I was later something you stood outside so I'm not Muslim I'm here I'm here. He was good to me a meeting at me. You're my older brother. Used to not shit out of me sometimes. But you know that's the way it is with brothers Yeah I was good in some way some ways. I mean who who's not who's not. WHO's not so if you feel like you? We're compelled to see each other now because you knew that you know it's an hour never kind of thing that means that it was important to you both right to to see each other. You WanNa Take Dash Gazza easy answer. Yes yes because we're not getting any a young woman. We'll what's what's down the road. I'm eighty he's eighty five. I mean because there was a lot of water under the bridge and we WANNA close that bridge. Now I wanNA feel easy now. I WANNA say now. He's going to be eighty six. I WANNA call him on his birthday and say happy birthday now. Going to stand any fucking ceremonies anymore as my father speaks as per his brother's example dropping f bombs like he's in a Guy Ritchie Film Sheldon keeps his arms crossed and his eyes shut tight. He's quiet for several seconds and then he reaches out to pet his cat. Should I leave the cat and my will find thing if anything out. I'll take care of the cats and I'll take care of. The happy came to see that I am. Let's good very good. WanNa buy when it's time to leave sheldon walks US outside. But before we get into the rental he points across the lawn to his neighbor's house he tells my father that's for sale and then he tells them the asking price and my father says that doesn't sound bad at all and Sheldon says that what with Canada being so bloody cold my father should consider moving to Florida and my father says has maybe he will. They don't get too emotional. They don't even hug goodbye. They just shake hands and with that it feels like buzz has forgiven Sheldon Sheldon and Sheldon has forgiven buzz. New Take care under the British safe trip. Thanks to speak This is taking a lot off my shoulders idea. You know as we ride to the airport. My father says that the thought of Sheldon all alone in that house with just a cad. That makes them sad. Do you really think he isn't lonely. My father asks him that Sheldon seems okay with being alone but my father doesn't seem so sure. After all these years the burden of having lost his brother has been replaced by a new burden. One that might be heavier to bear Uh Uh UH UH UH insurers turning to its goodwill now last month's rent Tis the damage. Take this moment you decide if we manage to turn felt around accidentally heavyweight hosted and produced by me. Jonathan Goldstein this episode was also produced by Wendy door. Chris this neary and Colella hold editing by Alex Bloomberg and Peter clowney special. Thanks to Kaitlin. 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Finding Your Niche and Crushing it w/Sheldon Primus

The Authority Project

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Finding Your Niche and Crushing it w/Sheldon Primus

"All right ladies and gentlemen boys and girls. We are live with another episode of the authority project. I had sheldon. i'm not even sure. The rate is the previous primus primus. Yes even better optimists. He is in the virtual stage with me today in. He says he's going to help you. Find your niche and not only that crush it crush by finding your niche today. Is there right sheldon. You gotta be able to crush right if you find it and then you don't know what to do with it. What's the use of. Do you gotta crush it while you get it right. Yes sir absolutely. That's really well. We shall see see if he's able to do so. Help us out with this incredible incredible important aspect of your business in this episode of the authority project. Alright ladies and gentlemen boys and girls feast your eyes tune your ears. It's that time again. We are live with another episode of the authority project. It's the video. Podcast streamed on facebook. Youtube twitter and periscope where we talked to digital marketers business coaches and creators of all kinds on how they built authority their field and how you can mimic their success. Authority building your audience and attracting better clients to your own business now without further ado. Let's bring to the virtual stage your host. Brian s arnold. All as brian back on the stage here this project you're the project and we wanna slap with authority to your name. You can sell more great. We're here was sheldon. Today's show them primus. And i'm excited to get into this very critical aspect of building your business and Before we dive in those shutting. Let's get right to who you are personally first of all in who you are professionally. All right all right. Well thank you for the the nice little words and starting opened again to primus. Most people don't know you know they see it end. I liked the band owes me money. They own some cash. So my field is safety consulting. And truly it's occupational. Safety and health is to safety guy. You guys that you're working in business and you say no. Yeah let us safety guy. Take care of that and that's pretty much. My my niche in life is working with them. So it wasn't always like that i was working for the city of orlando in florida for a while as a wastewater treatment operator and even before that i was one of the guys young legs young back at the time early twenties. That would be picking up the garbage running behind the truck grabbing the garbage. Throw nate into kim. And the next one and i had to do that pretty much because it was a temporary job that gave me an opportunity that if the city wanted to higher then they hire from their temporary pool first and then i would be able to get a fulltime job. So you know. Young man had hustle. So i did it and they said we had a position for wastewater operator i. I don't know what it is but it's a fulltime job. I'll take it. And and that's really where i got started and somewhere along the line. They said we need a safety You willing to do the safety guy. And i was like i'll do it What's in it and they say. Well you'll get a couple of hours a day that i could just focus on safety. I get an office. And i get card that i could buy stuff with of me twice. Doing got me started. And then my final position. I was in the safety when i got started was in the s. Well no no excuse me now. Yeah ninety four date myself and my last position was with i worked for a special district of the state of florida but by then all my my duties was safety and compliance and kind of worked my way through Get my bachelor's degree and my masters wallows working full-time and it's worth it isn't it. I don't know if you've done that route but you got to you. And when i finally finished up i was like I'm a little burnt with government. Worked so i decided. Let me see what it's like to to start my own business so two thousand eight. I started my own thing. As originally i was going to try to be a consultant to utilities water and wastewater but i figured while i know a lot about safety to. Let's add that in had to pivot because it wasn't paying bills you're right. I made to quick switch. When i started doing more osha compliance than for you guys that aren't into us. Osha occupational safety health administration. They're the people that regulate the the safety. And health of the us workforce and i started getting trained to be osha of authorized. If you will. And after that i kinda started answering the same question over and over again about safety consulting and i decided to be a safety consultant and now my job is i. Am the consultant to the consultants niche. Okay so that's your current prog. I assume that's next question correct. Yeah that is it all right so what what is your daily routine. Look like routine is all kinds of jack. Sometimes i can't tell you. Sometimes i start out. Where a waking up. And i'm watching netflix. And stupid stuff just to get my mind. You know free But i'm constantly. You know the october were bug where you're like like that movie where squirrel. I think it was one of the other movies where the dogs kind of chasing something and all of a sudden sees a squirrel in is might go into this girl. That's the entrepreneur. Mind so I've always have project. I'm working on in right now. Trying to I've always said this. I am truly the. I decided to teach people the business of being a safety consultant so my day to day job is all either worked on a podcast And then i'll also help with my personal clients. That i still have and then also i'm trying to figure out what is the next best thing resource wise to help my clients which is going to be other safety consultants and a truly i. I kind of try to find different ways to help other people. So that's what my day looks like in its searching internet. It's writing programs right now. I'm doing a lot of videos. So if it's it's different from each day and sometimes they actually just don't do nothing. Is that okay to say does not i. I love that. I love that. So let's dive into that because it seems as a hit you with something here. Go ahead and you have a very unique. Niche is very unique. But how do others get into into funding in niche. Do we do we really need. One is the first question for you. Well the answer to that one is yes. And it's very simple but truly The way that our society is right now globally. We have spent time energy on money just about on anything that interests us and we could find it at a fingertip when we're going through all our devices so if you now can think of what problem have you salt in pass or what problem has somewhat people keep telling you about and you're like this is the third time this month. That someone's asked me about this exact same thing right. You got a niche right right. Okay okay yeah you build it no come simple as part of a part of my model here so but okay so can you give us. The steps is there. Are there steps to finding our niche. What is what is what is the process that you've seen 'cause you're you seem like you kind of kind of walk into your gift walked into a profession. What what what what what. What are you teach as far as people saying you know. I don't have anything. Show me to find a niche. What the is there. A process to this there methodist solution. The method comes after the after you after you truly do. What's called more of a soul searching event. So first thing is going to be. Are you ready. Have you had enough is time for you to do something for yourself so when you can answer those questions first that then would lead to what am i good at. What do i like to even if it's something that is what am i really good at. Even though it's not a passion yet but it may be something that i'm really good at and then now you could change that in two mon- Some monetize ing and one inch doesn't mean you have to stay in it. You could get another niche in another niche depending on know time energy resources things like that but the step i is. Are you ready the number two. What do you think you're good at or people keep asking you. Hey help me out with this thing and it could be anything simple as Someone keeps coming to you and says hey. I need to pass this test. You've done it. Show me how to pass this test. And then another person show me how to pass an maybe onto something and then truly the next stage would be how do then you formalize it 'cause you're going to need to formalize it through a business and then how do you promote it so those are the steps that's gonna follow after the idea and there's a bunch of like you know because you're you're a business coach so you know that there's some nuances to finding who your perfect person will look like to to approach. And they call that a customer avatar. There's there's that angle to it as well and you're going to have to learn that but truly it is i m already second flight me to a personal inventory of what i could provide in third less formalize this thing. Let's get some steps into this thing. And they were going to grow it. Yeah i want to dive into that. Step two quick about personal inventory. What are you really mean by that. Are we listening down. What great at or you know we were good at doing what you're talking about as far as a person batory dive into that a little more. Yeah personal inventory in. That's great question is pretty much everything it is. what am i good at. And you could even split this quadrants if you want to or something similar to that. What am i good at. And i actually Thriving at it. I like it Enjoy what. I'm good at. But i could deliver to let it go. I don't care. But i'm still good at this thing. What is something that Not so good at. But i really wanna learn and then something that i have no idea why even thinking this thing out waste of time so you list those things out and truly. You're going to start to do personal inventory as into a list of things that you're saying all right this quadrant over here. That i'm good at and i like doing i'm going to pursue that and if it's not going to bring you immediate money because right now in twenty twenty going into twenty twenty one you might need immediate money and that's probably going to be something that you've been trained in vocationally be immediate money bill that first and then to passion projects okay so so my question was was going to say like what do you think people who say they don't have a passion but you're not really seeing passion yet so this this go here. What do you say to people who say the not. Good at anything it you know. They're they're good they're good. They're good a few things. We're not really great at anything you know. What what do you say to that. Because i i hear a lot of that as well. I don't know what to do. Because i'm not good at anything. Yeah yeah yeah i i say Change your mindset because you're mindsets Even if you use try to do something if your mindset is i'm not good at anything that's telling me something about your personality so that's telling me that There is not a can't do attitude meeting. I can't. I can't do this You want can-do attitude. I can't do this so if you think you're not good at anything she got up. I change that mindset. Meaning i could find a one thing and then how are you gonna find it. Friends and family knows you best so ask your friends. Ask your family just say. Hey gimme two things two things that you think. I'm really good at and if you have several friends and family that list the same one thing out of the to pick that okay. Okay so this this go now save. We did all that we we did. We did your process Right we went through a few friends we said. Hey you know they say. I'm good at this so great. I wanna i wanna pursued as more. How do we get to crossing. It was what you. How did we get to crushing it. Now all right for got got their niche. Got it to a certain degree right harvey crush it all right. That's going to take a bunch of things. I it's going to be active listening listening right. That's one of those old school things that we could get this rate price pulling out and he just yes. Yes so Active listening in though in the form of businesses this You could use physical tools to do it such as for me. I love using Google for this. And what i'll do is i'll set up a google search with certain terms and i'll put them in quotes so for instance. I have a term. That's going on right now. That's osha compliance anytime osha. Compliances anywhere on the inter- internet or interwebs. Is you know some of the old school people will say i get an alert and therefore i kid stay ahead of the game and now if i see something is brewing with all these alerts this is gonna lead me to a block post a livestream. It's gonna lead me to A social media some sort of alert that. I'm going to tell. Mike group that in order to do that you need a group that means you're going to end up in order to start this process. You're gonna have to go ahead and break down and get yourself a business facebook and break down and get yourself the twitter linked in accounts that we're going to help you and they're several other resources to where you can post one place and will spread it out to different services so don't worry about having to post to each and everyone. There's an easy way to do that but That is first. You're going to be your home then to draw people to your home where you're going to be posting. And most people are using linked in right now in business formats. But if depends on your niche. You're going to have to find where your people are and then from there join in some of the free groups like a facebook free group or even a read it free group or something similar to that. Don't spam catholic right out that group but what you wanna do. Is you wanna give in really good information to that group. And then they'll start referring to you you become part of the family and From there you could even do similar offers as into get my free guide here or and when you say something like get my free guide. They the person who wants to say. Oh man i really need what brian's can offer there and they're going to go to your whatever it is home for and yeah you're landing pages with the call it and You get through an email email server. You don't actually need a website. It helps that she could get death through an email server. Download that free guide and therefore you have their name and the email. Now you've got yourself a tribe that you're starting and they're getting something they want it in spam the group but now you're starting to build that list so when it's time to broadcast to the list all the things that you've been collecting through google google verts or listening to conversations or joining associations or something similar that now you have something to bring you position yourself as an authority that builds your business. I love that that that was that was definitely step by step. So let's summarize that one more time so we're gonna we're doing google alerts offer something. That is your niche. Right in part part to that is going to a facebook group or a big on group. First of all. We're also we're also submitting to other groups that are in our niches well correct for content and then once you get some kind of buzz or engagement. Then you swing into action. Which your guy that you have to create correct all right. The korean something. So so so. What are we creating sheldon. What are we treating does niche that. We just found out about the only thing in my question to you there. It really depends. It could be anything to your family secret chicken recipe in adult. Get grandma meadow. We're giving away the secret stuff. Grandma's recipe You could do something similar to that. Where it's it's something that you know that if someone gets to hand on this. It's a game changer. For them it's a game changer. For someone could be you. Save them a lot of time. You solve the puzzle. They could not put together. And you got that answer. That's a game changer. To them or you gave them something that is going to help them. Safe face with someone else or even get credit for something. And that's those are the things that you offer up. And i would offer off of some of the things that work really well. Our check lifts Especially in a niche setting. If there's something that people constantly have to go through and look over and now you know Let's say your niche is going to be helping. People had a food prep k. Now you've got to know here's grocery lists that you need to food. Prep hair some recipes. You need to do and boom here you go you give them food prep recipes and now or food. Prep grocery lists and recipes You just got that for free the grindley give you their name and email for that. So i'm glad you. I'm glad you said that so to be something that's like clarify. That history is something that they want that they need more and more so what they need didn't than want there's systems things that other that they want but it has to be a need like like you said they had it fixes the problem right now. They need this question answered correct correct. And you're going to get that because you're answering those questions already. Those are the same things that people keep telling you over and over again you know. Hey i need some help with this exam so here you're going to do an exam. Prep freebie and it could be pdf three to four pages and now you could say here's a booklet for an exam. Prep for this specific niche and now that niche when. They know they need exam. Prep they'll go to you. So what's the next best thing after you give them an exam. Prep want you go ahead and reserve some time with me and i will coach you one on one until we get you to pass this exam of. We just got you to pass the exam. Why don't you go ahead and we could work together. And i'm going to give you a monthly service such as a membership group and we're going to keep advancing your career and now you've got yourself a niche that you just supersized. Gotcha gotcha all right. I'm glad you. I'm glad you finish that. Finish that up. Okay what else. What else after we had this big community so we have to have intent at the end of all of that. So everything's intent or else your own It's like one of those lawyers that Well not even lawyers just like your mom when you you come in late. She knows because someone already called you and said hey sheldon's been acting up. He's coming home right now. You need to take care of him and all of a sudden she asked me. Well where you've been and you try to play it off right you've been thought the answer So you have to do the same thing in your business. You gotta know the answer to the question and what's the best way to do. It is This is how few could play around with how you're going to do this but the idea would be. You're going to give away what to do. And then you're going to sell how to do it. Give away what to do then sell how to do it. And that's going to help you with your niche. This is great stuff man. I gave a like step by step by step which is which is awesome. So good i what did you say. We'll print course so that's why a blueprint courses because it breaks. Down the way my mind works a ahead ryan gracie. So what do you say to. People who thinks is a lot of work to get all that together because it's very simple. We'll be said. As i mean said as i always say there's a lot that it's simple it's not it's just not easy. Yeah so there's warriors some work involved with their there. Is there stuff where there's some some copy right in there. If you're not landing page was they want you to convince them to still get this guide. You gotta word worded a certain way you got to Find these find the right. People find that niche and find the right people who that when you're putting out these posting content Sometimes you don't get engagement. Sometimes you wheels. Sometimes you got to find the right content and they don't give up so part of that is like keeping your mental stability in doing all these things so tell us like. What do you say people who think you know. It sounds great. show them you know. It sounds great. But i don't know if i know i'm i'm able to do something like that. It's just. it's just a lot of a lot of effort that i'm not sure about. Yeah okay while. I thing i'll say is get your mindset right that all goes back to mindset rights truly you up to is being broke is easy being uninfluential and being just lost in. The muck of people is easy It just becomes harder when you say enough's enough. I a branch out of this thing. Somehow some way and the thing is is you gotta do it today. Because what'll happen is truly it's going to take you to get any kind of return on your investment. You're looking at nine months to a year in some cases to really start getting up a bite so that means you're going to have to keep you know. Keep shooting keep shooting ball until you start hitting those three pointers. Just keep keep throwing up that break and then eventually it's going to be swishes so you gotta start doing that and it is hard so that's why you have to get coaching. Coaching is the best way to to short circuit. Some of these things. That's why you're going to have to look for resources. And if you find resources you will have to spend some money because It just means you have to spend it the right way and then when you do find the shortcuts make sure it's viable shortcuts. Someone trying to take your money. I bet the people that are giving you the coaching that the people that are giving you the shortcuts and Brian i love your page because you start people off with like the lowest barrier of entry working up to when they're ready for something you know one on one coaching at your all access level at that point. They're ready for it and they worked their way up to that. So that's what i say. Find those resources that will help you in the low end and then you start investing in yourself to get to the next one. It's not spending money. You're investing in yourself and then it's going to have a return absolutely. I love that. This has been great. I you gave us the blueprint right. The tells you graves blueprint. You crushed it today. So just i have one last question though so it goes up my this not put you front and center so people will know It goes up not just people have similar interests. Similar goals like you remember similar paths. Were they want to help other people. Maybe build their niche or or big clarity. on what what they need to to build their business to build. You know a lifestyle that That they want for themselves. So can you tell them in. How many how many words you wanna say it how. They can become an authority in their space. Yeah absolutely To become an authority in your space. You're going to have to always be creative as best as you can. You truly want to be humble understand the needs of people. And if you don't understand ask they're going to tell you what they need and then you respond. That's why those groups are really good because now you can post questions and you could tell people. Hey i I want to provide this service for you. How can i do it. what are you looking for. What best will help you. And then that's going to help you become more and more authorities truly by listening than actively responding and and that's the best way. I could tell you to grow that business. Listen than respond. Credible voice stuff man. Great stuff it's I i love how you keep it very simple very simplified because i think a lot of people complex complex it. I'm not sure if that's the word. But wilson wherever. I say out a overcomplicated should i say so. This is great. So i i appreciate a great career information sheldon so can you tell them now how they can get a hold of you after the show. Yeah absolutely Best way would always be sheldon primis dot com and if you're emailer than at sheldon at sheldon prime dot com and then If you're linked in which a lot of people are it's truly just look up sheldon primis on lincoln and i'm right there all right great and can you for the people who are listening later. Is that premise. What a what. a y. Or an i in the middle oh man yes s. h. e. l. d. o. n. Like like sheldon. Cooper is some big bang. Theory fans are primis. P. r. i. And you as like the band at optimus prime which so that is how you would figure out the prime for you. Thanks for asking though. Just in case rate yeah just in case you just never know. I appreciate it that you so much. This has been an amazing episode And i love every the answer that you gave today and please people go ahead and guy out. He's the real deal and you can. You can see if you're having trouble. They're by no having trouble with this Get to get a hold of this guy in so he can help you out. Because i think a very big thing where people are are missing that mark of what am i supposed to be doing. So get a hold of this guy Get a hold of him and and just just listen about that. An actively. listen to what he state right and sister season. Everybody happy holidays to you. We're almost Twenty twenty please. Go check out the authority larry dot com joined that list in i e email. You weekly to help you build your platform. Everyone is ever platform to be an authority in some way. Have that confidence. Had that positioning in. We help you do that. On a weekly basis on the list are rights in. That's all i have to say today sheldon. You have any other last tidbits of inspiration. You wanna give us before we get out of here. Yeah man you could do shake twenty twenty off and just go ahead and do this. You got this. I love it i love it. Thank you so much everybody. 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Big Brother Canada 8 | March 23 | Overnight Update

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Big Brother Canada 8 | March 23 | Overnight Update

"Gary Armstrong yes again all this John and GM Sandy Roger that he could do tomorrow. We'll do it again. Low everyone and good morning. Welcome to our live feed update for March twenty third. I'm here. I was turned Armstrong and with me. Today is Matt. How're you doing? I'm tired from what I don't know but I'm tired just a girl tired. I can't get over exhausted. I was yesterday from doing absolutely nothing and just a new normal that I'm still getting used to know it's everybody is experiencing like a little bit of the pain that big brother players experience being cooped up all day not going to do. That's the thing I've seen a lot. A lot of big brother alumni tweeting. That kind of thing. I cannot say I feel any sympathy towards them. They were having the time of their lives on fun. Tv show getting all kinds of opportunities potentially getting tons of followers. Getting all the things that come with being on big brother and I'm just getting tired. I don't know what I'm getting out of this that they might have gotten. You're getting you're getting a little bit closer to the experience. That's what you gotta take the positive. If I wanted the experience would have tried out for big brother even one time in my life. But that's not what I want. I just want to leave my house. Well that's sucks for you and everyone setting that out. Well we are here to talk about everything that happened on the big brother candidate. Eight live feeds yesterday. It was a twenty three in the house. And I'm going to be pretty sad when we hit April and the day twenty three that we're talking about on March twenty third stops happening because that's I really enjoy it anyway Let's talk about what happened yesterday as we know. Sheldon is H. O. H. He has nominated Carol and men for fiction but really it's just carol or at least it seems to be that way. Here has won. The power of veto. Sue has been trying to maybe get the idea there. What if we just vote men and then we'll just leave anyway hasn't really gotten much traction but it is something that sue would really like to have happened because she doesn't want men in the house anymore and so that's that's where we're at right now? We talked with Godfrey last night about everything that's been going on in this house. He was great. So make sure you check that out but on the feeds yesterday we started the day. Some cool kids some cool kids. I think this is technically appropriation of chill town. Feel like they have they have encroached the territory of Chill town too much that chill town and all its subsidiaries like cool kid club cards. Some are protected by Big Brother. Best alliances copyright and. They should not be allowed to do this. That Chris. Vanessa Sue Brooke and Sheldon that five personal lions? They have named themselves the cool kids. I don't hate the name as much as Brooks Teams. Two or br n Sheldon both seem to every time. They say they're like this is so uncomfortable. I can't even say it out loud. It's ironic the point of the name is that it's supposed to be funny but I don't know if they're taking it too seriously or what but I would love to be an alliance name the cool kids because it just sounds funny. But that's that's that's why Dr Will Thought of it twenty years ago okay. Well we're doing it again here. I don't know Ca. Canada has never had anything super close to this. The pretty boys obviously were somewhat. I mean we'll know because they all thought that they were actually like the prettiest boys on earth and I think that's kind of what they went with their but I don't know I liked the name of it and this group of five is pretty interesting just because the fact that especially now that that group of four is broken up with kyle out of the house it does feel like even back then and especially. Now the connection between Vanessa and between Vanessa with broken sheldon is just has been broken has been a mess and it doesn't seem like it's really formed back together so this is a five that they're running with and I still feel like Brooklyn Sheldon. Feel like Vanessa will come after them right now. She won't put them up or anything like that and it just seems like there's not a whole lot of shirt trust between them but this is still like their main alliance. Yes which which we talked about last night with God for the fact that Vanessa was in alliance with Broken Sheldon. She saw how they operated in a secret alliance. That was running the entire house in with as many people in the house as possible. Now she's in another alliance with them and they're acting entirely differently. They're acting like this is our crew. We don't really talk to anybody else. We're running with this and she's like. This is not raised any red flags for her whatsoever. Like why do you think that this is just all of a sudden? They've just completely changed their their mode of operation in the house. I mean it has to be that. She never actually paid much attention because she was too busy. Going agree agree agree. Yes one hundred percent one hundred percent okay. They're not they're not gonNA catch me so I don't know maybe that's it and she all she used to have kyle bounce ideas off of and just bounce off her thoughts or whatever she still has Chris and those who are obviously pretty close but Chris is not the perceptive perceptive kind of person that Kyle was. Kyle was close to those to spend a lot of time talking game with those two. That was never Chris so even though she can bounce ideas off of Chris. Christie is still kind of living in his own little fantasy worlds from what I've seen He. It's not like he's clueless about the game or anything but like he doesn't see everything exactly how it is. And that doesn't seem like the perfect person for Vanessa to be aligned with but at this point it's all she has. I mean from my perspective. Chris is is dominating in the house. He's achieving his goals. He's dominating in his goals which is that. He's just continuing to get as many ladies as he l. them as possible. He spent a good like our massaging re yesterday. If you wanted that image in your head well. Congratulations it's there. I had to see it even though I wasn't listening to it for an hour. So congratulations and wasn't that like kind of a strategic maneuver from Madyan Rianne. I feel like I heard them talking a couple days ago about Christmas. Giving out massage I mean. How do we get in on that? We have to. We have to make sure that he likes US enough to give us massages. Yeah because here's the thing because everyone knows how much of a horn dog Chris's like all of the women in the house? Feel like the way to manipulate him is by flirting with him. So that's what they do and it just reinforces the idea to Chris. That he's touching great player. He's not of the game but of women he's just this big stud that everyone loves. Meanwhile they all like most not of them that like people like sue. Who's one of the biggest of Chris is also like really creeped out by him at times and doesn't want to do too much but realizes this is the best way to manipulate him. And so it's like it's a whole big thing here and I mean she's the one who has a boyfriend on the outside and she's I think sometimes between the two of them it gets a little too far and I think like Oh. Wow she's like really into me right now and she has to be like. Oh stop this is. This is the end. This is as far as we're going here but yeah even works like mainly been able to get across that line with Chris in just whether whether they're talking about like you know they had a conversation. I think it was like two days ago about like mainly personal life and they connected a little bit on that end but then mentally was like complimenting him the other day saying like Oh yeah you look like someone who really eats well and like takes care of their body and he was like all feeling himself and I'll happy with everything that she was saying to him so if even mainly can get across that line to to make him feel good in you know all the stuff that all the women in the House are trying to do with. It's going to work from any of them. So so Chris and the cool kids basically Chris like in the interim with this alliance Christmas ooh Brooke and Sheldon and he's like shaking. Everyone seems like welcome to the cool kids in the house. Welcome on congratulations on making it to the cool kids in the house doesn't aim at the goal kids so they talk talk strategy and the strategy here is basically. What's been going on in the house up until this point. They're at a dead deadlock. Here that This alliance is so entirely not on the same page. An entirely exists to prevent Vanessa and Chris from going after Shelton in Brook. Sue is in there like the demon needs to go next. It's all we need to get the demon out and by Demon g means men and Vanessa's like yeah. But I'd like to go after the three and Chris is like here is dangerous to though like they're an all three of them. Want difference like so sue wants. Min Out. Vanessa wants J and Chris once here out and then Brooklyn Sheldon don't care because they're aligned with everybody and so this is a very disorganized alliance and it does feel like they are missing. Kyle a little bit kyle. Kind of took the lead and was directing obviously that first week when they went after Michael and then last week they were locked in on the thing and then eventually shifted when Sheldon. And Kyle both agreed that mainly was fine to go and you know they they all have their different agendas but they were kind of reporting back to the main core of that. Which was kyle. And now that he's done they are kind of all over the place so it'll be interesting to see how that does shake out. If any of these five will win the next wage obviously Sheldon's not able to compete unless he just competes in the rest of every h this season but they do have a different agenda. It's interesting to me that the three has been as far off the radar as they have been after that first week. They're not completely out of out of the picture I it's you know there are people that are still looking at them but the fact is that like the main alliance of those three have not an super connected to anybody in this five. They made a little bit of a bridge with Sheldon and broke last week. But it doesn't seem like that was enough that they completely in the clear but again there are people who Carol does this week. Sue is still going to be way more concerned about one. Min Lee than she is about three. Victors that are not aligned with her jazz. Actually the way that they've been talking about lately on Yeah. She should be starting to worry about them. Speaking of which re has a conversation remedy and men have a conversation about men wanting to target sue? She like I've been talking about for the last couple of updates at this point. Man has been telling everybody. She's calling her shot. Sue and Angie on the block is going to be gone. That's what I'm going to do if I went. H H. He's trying to convince people to not feel like they don't want her to win. H H and maybe even willing they'd be willing to give her the HR wage in a spot. Where it's you know you're hanging. You Might WanNa give them so that they feel comfortable with her winning and then again she can sort of follow through on her plan and wins credibility in the house. I actually. I really liked the plan of talked about that. And so she's pitching to Rian Mattie and they're cool the place everyone in the House that we wouldn't we wouldn't mind having her leave and and that's genuine from them they. They've made it clear a couple of times whether they're talking to each other. There's a couple of other people that they trust in the house and they just don't feel great about so it's just been something that's been consistent since the beginning of the season pretty much never really formed that bond and you can't have the entire house feeling good with each other. That would just be brother candidates six so you know you got some people that haven't connected as much as other than that just seems like it's always been a the two girls with sue never never came together So Kira jail and Mattie come together and talk a little bit they they talk about how funny it is that like. Min is so gung Ho about Angie and Angie is really still hates mainly they just are still going after each other after all this time and like Angie said she used to play with like so silly however the jail has heard a concerning thing he heard for men that Chris and Vanessa are trying to get in Andrews ear or trying to get her as a number and this is true information that men has related to them. That Angie are that Vanessa and Chris have considered Angie as a number for a while from from Chris's H H. He's always considered to be like. I've got Angie. And so they said that is concerning here. Says I have a good relationship with her. Maybe I should start trying to work more so that they don't pull engine on the off chance that Angie wins she put up like maybe we'll she has to focus on men. I but but it's still. It's still concerning so I thought it was very interesting that that connection has now been outed a little bit by men. I'm getting frustrated. Just watching everybody talk about how Angie would be such a waste of h everybody's coming onto the same page and saying yeah. Who would ever take Angie out. Angie's not somebody that we need to worry about. We'll get angie like whenever we get her. If every single person is saying that there has to be somebody who that clicks. For and says yeah. That's why she needs to go because if I am sitting on the block against her at any point in this game I will be the one that gets victim but not. I really haven't heard unless somebody said it and I've missed it but that just seems like a very obvious thought that obviously not right now I get that they wanNA play the game. They want to go after a big target or two people have way bigger fish to fry just in the short term. But just the fact that everybody's left her off as like you know who would ever waste that h like I need people to start recognizing that in the longer NGOs around the more likely that they will go home against her at some point. There needs to be like a case study on Angie that because she's she's perfectly fine. There's no reason for her to be so like disrespected in the house like Like just she's not very physical and she just doesn't vibe socially very well with issues like a perfectly fine person. You can talk to her. She's a normal person. She's she's not weird really in any way like maybe a little bit annoying with food stuff that people do complain about that but like like anytime she walks into a room. The entire vibe changes like shuts down. It's not as fun. They don't respect her at all in the house. And it's just it's just like like where weeks we see this all the time. It's usually with older houseguests when she's not even that much older than them but it seems like she is. It seems like she's so separate from everybody else has a different life experience or something. But it's it's it's really weird just like how big of a gap there is and I. I have to wonder whether it will ever close. We talk about Angie's chance to potentially win. The game gets lucky really it when we talk about her on the Stock Watch but like is it. Even you know because there's a lot of time left but I'm starting to feel like. Is that gap too big to cross at this point? It'll it'll come into play a couple of weeks from now and we've seen that in. The past like reminds me of Karen and big. Brother candidate five corey in last season. Bbc Can't where it's just players that are just completely not relevant anything going on in the house but they have some connections here and there but then what does it you know. They don't come into play until like I said a couple of weeks from now when their votes are critical where somebody really needs to get them on their side for vote or whatever the case may be and then you see who actually has built the best connection with them and they say oh. We've had each other's backs all this time. And even though we haven't been telling each other everything like I've always had your back and you've always had mine and I don't know who that's going to be with Angie but that's going to happen mark. My words like three weeks from now and and they're gonNA need her and that's when she's going to become a much more critical piece in the game because even if nobody's evicting her that's going to be way more important vote when you get down to seven than it is obviously now at eleven whenever there. Yeah so Maddie. Maddie talking honestly. I wouldn't mind if men one H A woman's doing working and here in jail agree. You know if she takes out. Su Su isn't really with anyone she's with everyone and therefore with no one and you know what to says Mattie she never puts the weights away so frustrating. And she's really close to Vanessa and Chris and that's also dangerous so I think what I would do is I would put Vanessa and sue up on the block and then back door Chris if we if we have the option in jail. That's smart. He's like yeah. That's a good idea. So that is is their plan for. Now I'M GONNA have to disagree with that plan. That's free pretty big targets that you're putting on the block and obviously only one. Mogo home so you don't get. They're all very big back door fans like every single person. This season has a plan that involves the back door. But if you're going to backdoor someone you gotta put Angie on the block. Somebody who is unlikely to win a competition and you know Come back after you. So if they're going to put up these three people and only one goes home. That's not gonNA work out too well for Mattie but they still have time to make some adjustments to this plan if it's needed it's definitely another impact of the of the can't compete in the veto competition. Thing is that people are like way more likely to feel like the back. Door is the only option because they can't protect the nominations. There's only five players instead of six and so one of the arguments this week before carol decided to completely self evict was if you put somebody like carol up against up against men on the block. Then there's five players carols one of them so count that one out. It's basically mean has a one in four chance winning the veto instead of a one in six chance with somebody who already won like Sheldon who's a good competitor competing in the middle. So it there's A. There is a big shift in in that kind of strategy and I do think that if they continue with this method of veto competitions we will continue to see a lot more back door scenarios because of that unless there's just a Wendy's power Nicholas every single week and then people get the option to play in the veto whenever they feel like it. Looks like it's coming back at some point or a couple of times you know what there should have been a third option from the Wendy's power necklace it should have been you get one extra trip to Wendy's because for sure he would have taken that over any powers it offers spending this quarantine cleaning out my entire house attic. Everybody's rooms drawers everything like that. And the Wendy's power necklace looked like every single piece of junk that I've thrown out in the past couple of days. Just something that I'm like. Why do I still have this after thirteen years? That it's just sitting in the store or this necklace means nothing to me and I would have thrown that in the garbage and very sorry through anybody from Wendy's a necklace with a W. on it does not appeal to you. I just like they've had so many nice necklaces. Vetoes stood out to me. How piece of plastic in awful necklaces looked. I mean besides the fact that it was like a useless power. Now we're going to take a quick break for our sponsors and we'll be right back and we're back so let's get back to the show. That's that's their plan. Sheldon is going to talk with Rianne a bit. They talk about where people stand sheldon she. She's asking him like where what he thinks about. Vanessa he says Oh i. Don't talk much game with Vanessa. You know Chris Kyle was here. Kyle Bridge that gap and now the Kyle's gone like I don't really know where is that. We don't really talk much game really says that. She's concerned about Chris and Vanessa. She doesn't know what Chris would do. Children's says Chris such a mystery. I don't know I don't know where where I don't ever know what he's doing like. Sometimes I have half of me feels like I'm cool with him. Have me feels like I have no idea like this guy is such a such a mystery to me And so this is something that Rianne and Maddie in particular are really banking on the fact that there is no relationship there and they feel like sheldon will be comfortable with Chris. As a target or Vanessa as a target. Because he's saying these things which he would be but for different reasons and so tells him about men's plan to target sue here's Woman's. GonNa do she's GONNA put Sue Ann Angie on the block and there again both fine with it because it's not one of them and soon we'll go to wherever the power is so Just more people just like that's cool. It's whatever nobody wants to protect sue. Nobody wants to protect you. It's conversations like this and Times throughout the day. That made me so shocked that it seems like Sheldon and Brooke have completely started to underestimate girls. I know at one point yesterday. He made a comment about like. I can't believe I was ever threatened by Rianne like I feel embarrassed that I ever said anything like that. The two of them. Obviously don't talk game in front of everybody else. But the two of them check in daily Mattie and I don't know if they're reads are one hundred percent perfect having a fully got into the analysis on that but they definitely pay attention to everything going on and they check in with each other they share information back and forth but everything they know including John Luke who comes in and gives him give them all his side of the story so these these that group is starting to become like severely underestimated. Yeah I mean. I think the Wind Sheldon and Brooke talk about like. We're embarrassed about how scared we were like. I think that they're correct. Lake Rian before was look. How really socially great. She is if she's also strategically smart than than we have to. We have a lot to fear from Rianne. So far. That's that strategic element to her game has been missing. She is starting to do more and more but but it's definitely not where she was before and socially she's also not been as strong trying with Chris. But it's not really working yet. I mean who knows how that massage is gonNA impact things? But but yeah. I do think they should be concerned. But I think they're the right level of concern right now. They talk a lot about their competition and they really do seem to have a pretty decent read on what they need to be doing and who they need to be worried about. I think they're correctly more worried about hero. Who has his head even more in the game and is even better socially than Rianne right now and so I feel like they are underestimated bites. Not Not not dramatically. So pretty worried about here in Sheldon's is made clear that he knows that if you're a goes that The target probably ends up on his back as those two guys have become the guys in the house so I hope he's not planning on taking here out too soon. You know if he wants to stay behind any kind of target. Yeah well I mean I think that right now. The perspective from from Sheldon Brooke is that they don't really need to win and so they don't really plan on taking anybody out themselves because it's basically the people on the hit list right now Vanessa. Chris J. L. Here from either side and with with a taste of men if If sue win and so really all four of those people need to go. I think that J. L. is probably the most valuable to them overall and they might try and protect jail over somebody like here they might try and throw. Rianne out over over jail or maybe here but not sure about that but so they're really playing it by ear at this point because they've got a lot of options but I think I think really what it's going to come down to next week is who wins the H. Because each individual h h even from each side tends to have a different target from the other side. So I think it'll be could be all over the place here. I can't wait for the season premiere of BB eight. This coming Thursday night right yeah Promising cast and they'll have a great season starts. Thursday everybody tune in so Chris and Vanessa Talk. Vanessa's like everyone. So Gung Ho about going after men but I don't want me now like in by everyone. I'm assuming she means sue. And then everyone else that's lying to her and saying that they'd go after men when actually they'd go after her and so she said I don't trust men but but I do humor her and she's like she's constantly like up on me all the time and so Chris is yes of course. We don't want to get out of this. We don't need to hear here is the danger. He's the only competitive threat J. L. less of a threat. Vanessa says I really want him out to like for me. Jail is the target and here is the backup plan. I feel like for you. Here's the target and J Elsa back. Okay Okay Chris also feels the need to then explain himself he says. Don't don't worry if you see me talking to sue I'm just I'm just trying to reel her. I'm just trying to get it so so because we have five right so it's one two three four five you me Sheldon Brooke Sue and so right. Now we're only to you and me. We're like tight. We're only two of the five and that's not a majority and so then Brooke and Sheldon. They're also they're also two of the five so how works. What we need to do is that sue is in kind of in the middle. So I'm trying to work sue right so if you see me like with her like flirting whatever. That's that's me trying to make sure that we have three of the five in that is majority and then you know then down the line at the end like we're GONNA be able to win. Vanessa's like yes. That's so good. I'm so excited about this. We're in such a great position. I think your eyes have to open like a three to five to ten percent wider. That's he get the full expression of Chris. Going pretty scary. Yeah I mean again. That's this is who Vanessa's left to work with. And he's not the worst partner. She could have had worse options. But I got a little distracted and whatever you were saying version so all like they feel comfortable because they feel like they're hiding their connect. Nobody sees that we're together. We're hiding it successfully broken sheldon there so obvious together which is great for us. Because everyone's going to be more threatened by them than us. And so that works for us and Vanessa then does a little bit of Vanessa stuff. We've been missing some of it. She's GonNa tell. I mentioned this last night. She's going to tell Chris. She says the only reason sheldon wanted to win that. Hr wage was because Brooke kept pushing for it. She kept telling him that he needed to win. It's because she doesn't trust you Chris. That's why she was pushing him. It had nothing to do with Sheldon. It was all brooks fault. We know from Brooke and Sheldon that she was very aggressively trying to get sheldon to throw the age. She didn't want him to win. But of course from Vanessa's perspective. Either because she's making it up because she hates Brooke or because she has literally interpreted it this way in her mind because she hates Brooke but she is trying to convince. Chris the this was all brooks fault Brooke was dry. Brook has convinced Sheldon to win that h wage otherwise it would have been fine and so but don't worry that's that's for later that's the Brooke. She's really dangerous in the game but that's for later there's no rush on Brooke. We'll get her eventually. Yeah the Brooke factor in all of this has been another thing to kind of keep an eye on just because of the fact that people don't feel like threatened by her but I think at a certain point when when the is do fall on Sheldon and Brooke Duo. People might end up feeling. I Sheldon should stay because at the end of the day sheldon is the one that has built better bonds with other people than Brooke Brooke is not connected to any of the victors in the same way. That sheldon is so come back to bite her. And that's that's the crazy thing too is that that is the reality but the perception is the opposite. The perception is and there's conversations that happened yesterday about this that if you take out Brooke it Weakens Sheldon. Because he doesn't have he doesn't have the connections that she does that. She's the one who's bridging gaps between him and other people. She's the one telling him what to do. And so if you take out Brooke you Weaken Sheldon you. J. L. U. We can hear like broke his the gap between all of those people so obviously here in jail bigger targets right now but but eventually we can take out Brooke and just weakens sheldon which seems to be the theme of the year in terms of just take take out take out. Take out the woman in the partnership and weaken the man. Which seems to be something that I've heard quite a lot. That also comes down to the fact of like the way that the two of them interact with everybody else in the house. I mean they don't interact with everybody else in the House a whole lot. 'cause they're often tied up in a room together but when they do come around everybody else. Brooke is people called her out on. Being flirty people have called her out on her personality. She clings onto people again. Not Not just the guys. It's the girls anybody in the house. She attached herself to them and she puts her out of the baby voice. A little bit ahead on the shoulder like she's she's very affectionate towards all the people in the house and that's what everybody sees when she's around everybody. Sheldon is obviously much more straight faced and doesn't really let on any kind of emotion when he's around other people they're like pulling things out of him all day so it does look like Brooke more of the Social Butterfly. That's friendly with everybody while Sheldon is just sitting around straight face talking to people so I get why that's the perception it's just again not the reality and I think I think it's really working for sheldon that he is so seemingly closed off because when he does open up to people in private conversations. They feel I'm the one I'm the one he's opening up to. I'm the one that has the close relationship with you. And they feel like they that makes them feel even more comfortable verses. Somebody like Sioux. Who is so openly warm a lot of the time and so visibly connected to so many people that when you have like a good conversation with Harry. You're like okay. I had a good conversation with her but everybody does it all the time. So it's it's interesting. How how these social dynamics play out sometimes. So there's really there's not a ton else to talk about from the day we had. We had cookie time with John. Luke We have we had sheldon in Brockton. Talk a little bit more about shelters combine rethinking the vote out min idea like if sue wants to go for it. We shouldn't stop her like she should. We should just let her word. Those were the barrier between sue pitching to vote out Men and then have Carrefour yourself to self vic that We just give her the green light be like you know what you go for it. Doesn't it doesn't fall back on us if she succeeds? Great if she doesn't then more heat on sue and so they they talk about that. We'll see we'll see what happens there like I said I really don't expect to succeed but but we might see a little bit more campaigning. From that end I just want to see her. Wake up a little bit more. I like in the game. I feel like she can't possibly have. I don't know I was GonNA talk about the Stock. Watch but I don't remember what her score was at all this week but I can't imagine it's going up at all at this point just breaks. She's either at the same level she was last week or maybe like down a little bit. It's just I'm not seeing a whole lot to show me that. She is working towards setting herself for when the season starts on Thursday night. I'm predicting massive shift because not only has the game just completely shifted from where it was last week to people are gone. The entire structure of the houses changed but also some of the players who are applying. Well are now planning kind of poorly lakes and some of the players that weren't playing super well last week. And we're GONNA really really bad spot like men for whatever reasons now actually doing okay. Even though she should be leaving this week so it should. It should be all over the place and soon. Dr Last night where. She was literally talking about everybody. That I'm close to in the House keeps leaving so obviously Carol. She felt like she had in her corner carols. Probably out the door this week Kyle. Was somebody connected to and even Tamar Tamar and was a was a pretty tight duo. And that's you know there was contention a little bit of something between sue and men because men kept saying. What are you talking to tomorrow like you guys like aligned at all and then synthetic deflecting off of that but that was I guess three people in a row. That's who had something with that. She was kind of hiding behind and now all three of those people are going to be. I know that he was hiding behind. Carol but Carol was a number on her side. It's just you know. Her game is crumbling down. She's not wrong about that. Yeah I know. I'm sure we'll talk about this. But there's a stark difference that sheldon and sue are in very similar were in very similar positions where they both lost two of their closest and most valuable allies in the house. Jomar AND KYLE. We saw sheldon completely rebound shift his shift his weight to the other foot and and take control of the house whereas sue took the blow and his has been crippled by it and I think that says a lot about them as players right now at least so we'll have to. We'll have to see about that. What else what else we had sheldon complimented men so that she looks nice the Brook. Denial did not enjoy that Then Sheldon was saying that Brooke looked like a janitor because she kind of down with that. Go with that either. And we the secret of Chris's real job came out to brokers then shared it with with Sheldon so so that was happening some late night drama last night where men crawled into. Sheldon's bed and this morning Brooke Confront Ever Sheldon mentioned it to Brooke. I think men might have slept in my bed last night. Perks like what do you mean you think she did. It might have been a dream shared by the time I woke up. I don't know if it really happened. I mean to be fair. That's true she was. That was the worst way to say it though we're getting into today here but oh my God sheldon like you need to realize that when you say it might have been a dream. You're implying that you may have dreamed came into your bed which is worse than men actually coming into your head and so now. It's the worst of both worlds here. Where not only did she actually come into your bed but you admitted that you might have had a dream about her coming into your bed. And it's it's both things and yeah you messed up there sheldon no good smart calling his end going back to the episode last night where. It didn't seem like they were asking for volunteers or he. He DIDN'T ASK FOR VOLUNTEERS. For have not until the end. Raise your hand but he did put Brooke as half not putting that distance between the two of them and forcing them to not be in the same room if it did seem like like. I said if that's correct that she didn't volunteer was a smart move because otherwise I do feel like the closer. They're getting now they might have ended up in the same and that would have been just even worse so yeah and just just to be clear here. I say the dreaming is potentially worse. Because it's not like anything happened like he's she's already slept in his bed before it's not like they were like cuddling or anything like she just came into the bed and slept in the bed. Which is something that people do? All the time Sheldon slept with plenty of people in beds in the house before which is why feel like dreaming about it is a little weirder than the reality of it but that was avenue shy jail Sheldon Brooke come together and they name. They finally named their trio. They call themselves. Squadron midnights. That's jail Brooke and Sheldon. That is their their name episode of the Office. It's something else so So there you go. That's there now. In yet. Another named Alliance. They like a funny thing with men and their trio with men Like the thing from future on guys a hand signal there. There they wanted to do like for squadron midnight like sleepiness and so they were joking around about like okay when we go to vote if that ever happens then you when you come out that I'll be like lying on the floor sleeping because we're squashing midnight so there's that and it did make me like we've been talking a lot about how sheldon an end brooker in an alliance with everybody in the house but I think also every alliance in the house includes broken sheldon except for maybe the victors. But they're not really like they don't talk about the victors anymore. So I don't know if accounts like they're definitely working together but like they're also definitely working with Sheldon and Brooke at this point so it's not like they have like secret victor meetings where they like. Hey we're still it's more like hey we're working with sheldon and Brooklyn's talk to them about this. I don't know I feel like I feel like we probably could say that Perkins Sheldon are included in every single lines in the house on top of being in an alliance with everybody in that. I think this Thursday is going to be the maker break time for any kind of connection between the victors and Broken Sheldon because of course broken sheldon will come talk to them and they'll say hey we we're good with you as we didn't put you up last week where we want to go with this. And then that'll be something that maybe just seems a little more solid going forward if not then Brooke and Sheldon are probably going to be with the other people in the house that are potentially going after those three if you know whoever whoever that maybe that might kind of be the end of that connection if they starts realized that broken shells are fighting for them in one way or another so it does feel like the time is completely running out on whatever might potentially happen between those two groups. Yes I did. I did almost forgets yes. Men Did tell jail then she dated dated the not the guy that plays Michael in better call Saul but the actor. Michael who plays? What's what's the name of the character that it's Michael Mando. Who plays the character of somebody or other on better call Saul and was the dude from far cash to Christ three? Not Joe Thank you gotTa plays Dated Him. She she thought you were going to be in a dating show. She said she thought she was going to be on ninety. Fiance put a European version right and the UK version. I guess I don't know for another appearance this one so yeah anything else. Anything else the from yesterday. No not a whole lot as has been very well covered on here and just in general this week is kind of still stifled by. Carol and her forcing everybody's hand feel like we're going to get a lot more shifting a little bit towards like you know maybe Wednesday and Thursday guys like. Are we doing this or not? Are we sending Carol home where we can make this a double addiction where we vote men out and then carol can just walk out right after her so there is probably going to be some debate on that? I feel like the diary room. We'll probably have to get involved because people are going to start going in there and saying like so. This is what we want to do and I don't know if they're going to try to walk them away from that idea. But I don't know if it's going to happen today. Today's only Monday and they're still a couple of days until Thursday so it does seem like everybody's planning for the future but it's really hard to do that when it's still seem so far away so. I don't know. Yeah Yeah. Jj L. Did talk about wanting to be an actor and that he he was an extra in In a movie that has Aden Gillan in lots of comments from him about the opportunities that come after this. He's open for those so I think that's about about what we have from yesterday. We're still just waiting waiting on on Carol to leave. I would honestly. I hope that sue find success in the plan. I hope they give her the go ahead and somehow manages to make it happen. I think that would be fun. But it's not gonNA happen so that's what we have for you. Make sure you join me tomorrow morning. Eleven am eastern to where I will update you on everything that happens today on. The Big Brother candidate live feeds. 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Big Brother Canada 8 | March 6 | Overnight Update | Pooya

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Big Brother Canada 8 | March 6 | Overnight Update | Pooya

"Gary Armstrong dotting rather again. Yes again all this John and GM Sandy. Juneau Rosh Daddy. Tomorrow he will do is again. Hello everyone and good morning. Welcome to our first live feed update for big brother Canada eight. I'm heroes Armstrong and with me. Today isn't the great. How're you doing? I'm doing really well. It's an honor to be here for the first day to break down everything the feeds of been crazy fun. We pretty much got them. Right after these airing last night and it's been nonstop. Good time so I'm excited to break everything down from all the important stuff all the silly stuff. Oh Yes oh yes If you're joining US FOR THE FIRST TIME. This is the live feed update. We discuss this. Spoilers you might call them from big brother. That's not really spoilers. No because if you if you know what big brother is you know that the live feeds. They're not spoilers there the meats of the show there the not the meat of the show if you're a vegetarian and then you don't like meat very much. It's the good parts. It's the true value of big brother. Comes from the live feeds and we are here. I will be with you every morning. In Sioux. Let you know what's been going on on the live feeds every single day and so today is March. Sixth and we'll be recapping march fifth yesterday. Which was day six in the Big Brother? Canada eight house and this. I'm feeling good about this season so far. I I liked last night's feats I like last night's feeds to. I even think the second episode gave us a little bit more of that that we were feeling in the preseason. And it's all coming together. It's Kooky cast of people. The Burton won the wages. Certainly throwing a spanner into the work. So I think this is where we're in for at least a very fun. We got to start. Yes so so the first live feed update always a little bit different right because we have a week to catch up on and we need to sort of help. Explain what. What's what's going on in this house. What are they up to here? And so the first thing I want to do before we get into the events of last night. I want to try and catch you guys up on the structure of the House the State of the House and I've really been putting this this tier list Site to work lately. I have this little little chart here. It's not a chart yet. We're GONNA make chart okay so bear with me. We're going to disappear from the screen. Don't worry we'll still be here. But but we've got this little board here and just ignore the add text thing. Whatever this we. This is not the purpose. We're repurposing this chart for something else. But we have the cast here down below little photos of them and we're going to be placing them up here to help visualize what we're talking about now. Obviously this is also an audio podcast. We will be naming the people as we go describing what we're doing here but since it's early in the season I feel like a lot of people. Don't know the names of everybody yet. If you do want to see the visual you can hop on Youtube and watch the video and and you can see the photos to help you understand who we're talking about as we go so so the first thing first things first we talked last night we were able to let you know who won the wage and the person that on the stage was in fact our resident brain transformation specialist. Chris Chris has won the he's up there. He's in charge of the house. Transfer TRANSFORMING BRAINS. Absolutely the mind reader himself. He bent the trampoline as well and got the result he needed. Yeah as we can add we can add texture H. O. H. May Regret Chris. Honest for it. So what I would like to do to start here is that Chris has the right and he is in charge of the week. And so I want to. I explain to you how Chris sees the House. This is Chris. Understanding of the house to be clear. This is not necessarily reality. But I want you to understand from the point of view of the person making the decisions this week. How the House stands right? So first of all is number. One guy is kyle the powerlifter. That's the one. That's Bro. The Bro the guy he's up there they're together. They've got they've got you know they. They're working together. They're the HITMAN THEIR DEREK. And Cody there. Dan and Memphis. They're going to be running the show in this house. Yeah yes again. As as far as Chris believes that but I am knock shot that this is the person he chooses to his right hand man for the operation. Yeah yeah they're co HOA JR symbolically. So so that's he feels good about that and he. So there's this sort of idea that they can have some kind of like core four right. So Vanessa is very tightly associated with Kyle and Kris really likes Sue and so they kind of talked about this being a core for here as a four for Chris. And then they have sort of added onto this later in the night that Min has kind of joined this group to make a bit of a five person core kind of thing but Chris doesn't WanNa stop there. He also feels that he thinks that we've got Angie who's just a floater. Easy to be Nobody likes her so he feels like he's been able to get a decent connection with her. He's going to feel like he can bring Angie in to some kind of group He also feels that Carol. She's older doesn't have many connections. He feels she's somebody that they can bring on bringing he's really keen on bringing up a week. Players calls them weak players that he can beat so he's trying to bring as many of those people into group as possible he also really likes. Jomar HE FEELS. Dhamar is is very tight with With them and with him and that that you know he can work. Mar Maybe get your Marin on this group. A Potential Group of eight here for Chris is what he would like to put together potentially many feels like he he he be at the core of this with with Kyle and And that's that's where he would like to go there. It's pre- this seems. Like an unstoppable lines. It's yes it's our very own Canadian bomb squad. I'm excited to see what name we kinda ended up giving this my favorite thing about this group coming together in this conversation with Kyle and Chris is Chris sitting there with his big brain. And being like there's fifteen people allows which means you need about eight. Maybe ideally nine people. So He's already started taking half the house for himself and he's very cocky about this. He does believe that he has Jomar in his back pocket. Tomorrow do whatever he wants. You feel the same way about. Angie feels the same way about Carol just generally i. It's too early to say h Itis but what we can safely say. Is that Chris? Field himself and he's feeling good about the position. He is at right now. Cult leader at is perhaps. Yeah okay I like that. Let's go with that all right so you also saw on the show that there is an alliance of four that consists of John. Luke Aka J. L. Madeline Aka. Matty we've got Michael the The the the soldier that is pretending he's not a soldier. And then you have a Rianne Aka re Now Chris does know about these four. Everybody knows about these four. Except for the four. Who doesn't who don't realize that people know about them so he sees that. These are a group before within this four. You've got kind of jail and re as a duo and you've got Michael and and a Mattie as a duo and that also is pretty open openly available information You've got hero out here on his own and he's he's on his own. The only one of the floaters that Chris is not interested in picking up. It seems so that's where he is. And then you've got Brooke and Sheldon as sort of attached a little bit sheldon connected to that for but But not necessarily a part of them. Chris thinking you know he's really close with Michael. I'm not sure if he's a part of four or is it a five. I'm not sure. And then broke his kind of attached to sheldon kind of on her own kind of a floater. As well and so. That's sort of how Christie's now sheldon is trying to make this Chris Kyle and Sheldon a trio but Chris is not sold on it yet because he's worried about Sheldon's connection to Michael and this four and so as of right now sheldon kind of hangs in the middle between these two groups and so obviously Nico is not in the house anymore. So this is this is about how Chris sees the house. Yeah so this is kind of what Chris is seeing and obviously as far as what Chris is GonNa do. He's definitely way out some options here but as you can see the three people that are kind of on islands of own our hero Brooke and Sheldon and it looks like he's trying to figure out some combination from these three to put up initially at the very least and I think kyle is putting in the work and some people are putting the work to try and have him just genuinely take a shot at the four alliance on the other side of the victors. And in that's going to be the case. I think the early option. We've seen come up. Is Michael Yes all right so I know this is a lot of information to take in. Don't worry you know that you know we're GonNa do this. We're GONNA. We're GONNA talk about the reality soon as well. Then we're going to go through the events of last night which will help. Reinforce what you heard with this as well so hopefully I think by the end of this podcast. You should have a decent handle. I hope on on what's going on. So yes Chris's current plan. Although it might have changed this morning he's got a crazy idea that he's gonNA share with Kyle at some point but then current plan was that he wanted to take Brooke as a floater. And take here as a floater and nominate them both as pawns and then operation back door going to take out. Michael Michael is going to be the target with broke and hero as ponds and as you mentioned you know. Chris seems to be helping helping helping. Sorry Kyle simply helping Chris Understand. That maybe sheldon isn't isn't a big target yet. Maybe we should leave sheldon. I don't know about Brooke being up there. What about what about Angie now? I'm not sure all right all right. That's under it's fine. It's just it's helpful advice. There's no hidden agenda there. It's fine all right. We got to reset the board here. All right quick. What's three what is actually happening in the house? As far as we know based on what we've seen not really anything close to Christmas thinking I mean. Are we shocked? The man who reads brains definitely doesn't have good reeds on the house. Yeah so at the core of this house is is a secret alliance consists of sheldon. Yes Brooke Kyle and Vanessa as a core four yes seemingly. They are a tight for secretly together but within that are in addition to that for are the other two people that were mentioned in the premiere. Episode The second the second episode. I should say last night's episode That form in a six ultimately. There's a lot of talk about the six within the six. There seems to be a core for his Brooke Sheldon. Kyle Vanessa with broken shell than being a bit of a pair and Kyle and Vanessa being pair but the additional two people are Carol and sue both also attached to this alliance So that's that four then there's a six and nobody knows that this six is working together. They are actively together to get Get as many different connections and many different people in different places around the house to make sure that they have a lot of control. I'm getting. I'm getting some really big sort of level six kind of flashbacks to this. If level six was actually more deeply embedded than they were you know they basically had tyler as the mole but other than that it was a pretty straightforward one alliance versus a bunch of people that pretended to be an alliance whereas this six is very much like sort of like a brigade. Pretty boys six except except for six of them. Instead of four and They're very much embedded in different areas of the house. So this six working very well together. Yes now In addition to the six you've got men who is a part of a secret? Trio that consists of Vanessa. Carol and men there might be more to that trio. You know maybe sues involved maybe broke involve. I don't know it seems to be a pretty like female power kind of thing. We didn't see much of it but they got together in the storage room and they talked about working together. So I I don't know how real it is I assume it's kind of just four men's benefit to keep her on board with the ultimate six but But we have also very close to Sheldon and has a good relationship with Brooke Decently close with a lot of people within this six. But she is definitely seemingly attached here to Vanessa and Carol. Those are the people she had the most amount of lack strict game talk with that. I could see so you got that happening. You have obviously Chris attached to Kyle. Chris has is basically just kind of Kyle's one H H and now kyle is like. Hey rose we're doing this all right. We're the Hitman in order for sale to control Chris h this week which is a very good call that Kyle I mean. Chris is one of the only people that didn't really have any tie ins with any big alliances going on. Take him in before someone else. Some yes so then. Of course you have that. That four is still very much real. That was something that was definitely a real part of a Christmas understanding of the House. The victors still very much. A thing and And working together like I said. They don't realize that literally. Everybody knows that there are thing they really feel pretty pretty good about. They're just standing in the house and they think they're doing a pretty good job. Now Sheldon has been working on connecting with them with Michael and jail in particular And that is on purpose. Those are the people that he is working. Those are the people that he is making sure. He has connections with in order to sway. What they would do if they wanna nature wage or something along. Those lines broke obviously a little bit less connected to that crew but but sheldon is very connected but Rianne does have some decent connections outside of this group with some of the women like sue and and men and in a couple of these are not men with sue and she does a woman thinks they have a good connection complained about men he will. There's a lot of complaining about men. So so that's that's that's that's going on. There is also kind of hovering around this area. He feels tightest with Michael J. L. and Sheldon and he kind of wants to bridge a gap here with the Bros. He wants to get in a little bit with these four. Maybe in with Sheldon Jumar doesn't really see what's happening with the six over here. So he wants to get in with the power that he sees he. Also of course has a relationship with minutes a very strange relationship. It's definitely flirty to some extent. But it's it's a very aggressive flirty thing. They like to make fun of each other and say that they're gonNA victim a lot. I guess very much push you in the playground and call you stupid face. Type of flirty. Yeah so then you have Angie who is very much on her own. Maybe a small connection to Chris. Who wants to reel her in? If if he can and then you have hero who is also a bit on his own but does have a secret secret alliance with sheldon broke and sue so he is also attached to this six in some way and he is appear with sheldon broke and sue but he otherwise is seen as a bit of a floater and doesn't have any connections which is of course why. He's in some trouble if Chris puts him up. So this is about where the house actually stands based on what we've seen and now take it with some grain of salt that the core four is Sheldon Brooke. Kyle and Vanessa. That's from Brooke's Mouth. She spoke to the cameras. She gave us the most amount of information on the true structure of the House. So some of this is from her perspective. Mostly the fact that its core for for all we know that's her understanding of what the core is but the reality is that it's something else But it does it. Does it does kind of make sense. And it does appear to be this this sort of structure here so obviously. If Chris does go through with his plan to put up here and Brooke then the plane will be tobacco. Michael Michael. We'll go home if that if that happens. If the veto is not used then it does appear. That hero will be the one that gets sent home but of course that's just how things are right now. Things could obviously change moving forward. So that's that's what we got TA. That's that's the alliance over there and I pretty much do expect a lot of game. Talk to go down today and for Kyle to maybe try and infiltrate the mind bender. Chris's mind during their Wendy's later on today. That will likely happen with kyle to try and maybe change that but everything here is accurate as far as here on. Brooke being in trouble of touching block Later today all right. So that's what we have. We're we're back on the screen now. So that is the basic structure of the house. We could maybe revisit that chart after we finish the recap of what happened last night. But but now we're GONNA get into what we actually saw in in. What made us come to those conclusions? About where the House actually stands so yesterday day. Six in the House Chris has the HR wage we see him celebrate with Kyle in the Pantry. Again these two are pretty tight. They talk about us to to the end. Chris is going to do something that puts them in a good position and so- Sheldon also comes in and joins them in celebrates is. I'll man we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA do this rose. He talks about like just like last season. We're going to make this happen after Sheldon leaves after Kris Leaves Sheldon says to Kyle. This one's on you. This is. This is your dude. You're going to have to make sure there's this is going to work for us. And Kyle says I know I know and Sheldon says look just you know. I'll keep handling the four. The victors. You gotTa Handle Chris Just keep just keep talking about last season. Like the pretty boys like Br. Blow it up with him to try to make that sort of happen here with Chris. That is the plan Kyle. Is Chris Handler here and I think they pick the right person obviously to do this and to go back to quickly talk about this core four and the fact that they've all kind of moved into different sides of the House of bringing them all in. I really dig this idea. Really dig this plan and I think they're doing it really well now. Obviously as much as we'll try and handle Chris Christie will have his own reeds which we saw the board earlier. But I think for now from what we're seeing as a starter pack for this alliance on digging what I'm seeing. It's I mean. It's very impressive. So far I was streaming last night watching this as I was starting to understand that this six seems to be working together like this because we heard in the episode that this was a potential six coming together and then I saw a basic structure of the house and then the pieces all connected when they talked about the six and I was like. Oh boy if this six is really loyal to each other and actually are working this whole house the Narran a killer position and And this could be a very dominant alliance if if if things go their way now. Of course I'm saying this. I know it's the first night of feeds. I'm saying it could be. It could be lots of things can go wrong from. It's from today forward so but but from what we've seen so far. They seem pretty. Well positioned if we doing power ranking for just night one. I think these six are going to end up in the top half of the table and it just really like how they are all different types of people from different walks of life. I think that makes them makes it difficult for people to even see them as a core group whereas if you if you look at the victors that kind of all fit into that mosaic easy themselves. Hey they're working together. I feel like it's a lot harder to put these and be like these. Six are all tight. I don't think that's necessarily something you would see offers plants and just to quickly jump back to this chart you can see. I will obviously also describe to you that they all have their own things going on. They are all contributing in their own way. Sheldon is connected to Jomar in the four as well as hero. You've got Brooke. Who HAS HERO SU? Who has here as well as some some Chris Action? You've got sue Carol and Vanessa who are connected to men numb you've got kyle. Who has the Chris? Connection as well as some some connection to some some of the others as well? So it's like they're all contributing in in their own way. You know usually even with the Fort like. We've seen the brigade where they all had parachutes except for kind of Enzo Right. Like he was a social butterfly but didn't have his own thing going really and then you had the pretty boys and they had their own all their parachutes except for mark. Who was like doing his own thing and didn't really contribute a ton but this six so far they're all even even level six. There were some people that didn't necessarily contribute to the social relationships in that alliance Winston and so but this group so far. They're all contributing in their own way. They all have different areas of the House that they are connected to and as you mentioned. They're all their diverse group of people from their backgrounds their age to their personality types. So I'm very interested to see where this goes same here and I liked the pairings that we have within the six also being a random bunch of people like the fact that the Sheldon Brookside looks a bit more tight love and that and then out of nest in necessarily seen Kyle and Vanessa be appearing there and then obviously got carol and sue so again. There's a lot to be said. There's a lot to be seen before we can deem this a really strong strong alliance night one speaking like All right so Chris Kyle together in the room. This is when they really start talking about the fact that they're they're they're Derek and cody. They're going to run the show and so they talk about Sheldon and Chris. Says Kyle is the one. You're the one guy. Trust Kyle lifter. You've been through shit like we're going to you know you're my guys you're my guy and they talk about. Sheldon wants to be a third with them but Chris is a little unsure because he's he's concerned about Sheldon's connection to Michael. He talks to Michael a lot and so he's he's just a little bit worried about that. Kyle works a little bit of a switch. Those concerns away. I I don't know I understand what you're saying. I think we can. Maybe we can test him. We can think about it. We can try to make this work. It would be good for us to have sheldon. And so they're they're working on. That Sheldon has made enough in roads here with Chris. Christie is not talking right now about targeting Sheldon. He'd prefer to target potentially Michael and he feels like maybe if they take Michael out they will be able to pull sheldon in. Yeah and that's a good place for Sheldon to be and I do believe that once kyle gets enough in with KRISTA may be convinced Chris Dot Bring Sheldon in. I don't see why car wouldn't be able to rehearse with Sheldon. Hey so he's coming up to you. You're going to say all this. You say this kind of see saw this last year with a Dane kind of Dana. Anthony come to work in that kind of magic Prepping people up for the interview kind of thing and I think Chris would be someone that you could sell some kind of information that you easily so I'm not too concerned about Sheldon. At the moment I will say that. Through all of Chris's Misread. It is a little scary to see that he's noticing Sheldon's just natural social game coming into play and being threatened by that and not necessarily being threatened by very clear-cut alliance. Yes something to watch out for. So Sheldon is basically covered in every corner of the house. Every single person loves him. Wants to work with him. Thinks that he's valuable to their game. Except for Chris Chris. The one person he has not been able to fully charm into wanting to really work with him. And he's working on it and he's got enough so that Chris is in targeting him this week so far but it was definitely a bad draw for sheldon that That Chris is going to take this because I think otherwise. You would have been sued really really covered in all all areas. But this was this was definitely a bad dry here but seemingly still going to survive based on based on the current plan things can very much change in not only. Is it an early week? Not only is it. The first eight things often change in early weeks with the first age. But it's also Chris. Yeah and that's important to note now we're going to take a quick break for our sponsors and we'll be right back. Hey It's been henry and Marcus of the last podcast on the left are shows dedicated to uncovering hilariously horrifying stuff. And now. We're only on spotify if you want. Obviously we'd never force anyone to just blindly bad be crazy but if you like stories about doomsday cults who do exactly that and more please on visit spotify dot com slash last podcast to listen free and we're back so let's get back to the show. Chris is talking to kyle some more in the from. He's now we're GONNA see we're going to hear from Christabel like how he views the game. How he viewed some of these players. He's Chris weirded out is a little confused he says you know. I just don't understand the blonde dis meaning. Matty and re usually they'd be all over me but they're not the instead it's like it's all Michael in jail like they're working so hard over there and weirds me out. I don't trust what you hate it when you expect to be gaining all the affection and then you don't and then you sit there empowered about it and complain because it's not going your way. Chris is everything I kind of expected Chris to be coming in and I could see him being someone that we rag on a little bit. I could also not going to lie. He is my top candidate for slash guys. So He's getting there he's getting there. Yeah I mean look look you just. I mean I don't know about you but surely guys like us we just expect blonde these to be all over US and when it doesn't happen obviously something's going on. Yeah it's weird it's weird. I feel like you see you see Chris and swoon is the first word that comes to mind. So it's weird that it's not going his way obviously. Yeah he he says that. But don't were all the floaters like me because of WHO? I am what I do my thing. All the floaters really like me. So he talks about like Angie loves me. Terrible at competitions says. She's terrible a competition in a very disrespectful way comments on her body and talk about how because of her body should she never beat him he talks about how cute won't beat me and comps though. Great WanNA bring those these weak players along. I liked Carol too. She's older doesn't have connections week player. Bring her along He loves me. He loves me like Dhamar. Kyle talks about how he's close with Vanessa. He calls her Nessa. Sometimes we'll start to get the hang of the nicknames right now. We'll continue to call our Vanessa until we see enough people caller NASA and then we'll go to NASA. I prefer shorter. And it doesn't remind me of Vanessa. He'd kyle talks about Vanessa. And how he's really close with her Chris. Legs Vanessa as well. So this is one kyle pitches. I like this. What if we have a kind of four core four of you me Vanessa sue? I've got Vanessa. You've got sue and this is obviously kyle really sabotaging Chris. Because he knows he has to and Chris does not but he's trying to make Chris feel like he has to Chris kind of likes this idea for the most part and they come up with this idea. That Chris wants to put up in Chris as being very vague about it. He's like what do you think I should do? I'm thinking to float these two floats with them up their big target. He wants to put up here and Brooke as floaty ponds and then take out the threat Michael and then hopefully if they take out Michael that will help real sheldon and and so that is that is the plan that is currently the plant and Chris you know for all the huffing and puffing. He's doing about how great he is. And how much of a masterpiece he's GonNa be at all these comps. He is choosing a more what he sees a safe route and for now. It'll work for him. Honestly I think the back of his head the worry is that he takes a shot at the the blonde es and the Blondie S- coalition comes back at him. But I think kyle is trying not to push that much quite yet. Obviously making a core four lines with two other people that he's already in a court six alliance with is good for him and we could see him trying to push a little bit further to prevent. Kyle Chris from making the move. He's trying to make right now. But even then it's looking like he's lead them to the direction that he wants so for all that it's worth Chris kind of bringing in all the Oracle Week people because he you know his career he believes he finds all the lost souls and he leaves them to the path of righteousness by convincing them. That they have what it takes. And we'll see if that works out for him because I think they're gonNA lead him a pass path off the cliff at some point. It'll be gory watch. Yeah and you're very correct. The Kyle is not pushing too hard. He is he definitely. He has a great hold over Chris. This sort of like all. We're we're the Bros. Together for life to the end pro. But it's it's a little bit like you know Christmas a wildcard and Kyle does not want to To rock the boat too hard and set Chris off and all of a sudden Christmas doing some some crazy nonsense so as he feels like okay. Broken hero is not ideal he would love for the four to be targeted because those are the people that they have the least amount of control over in have the most amount of strength outside of their their alliance but you know Brooke being up there. We can save her. We can send here at home if we need to. If we can get Michael. Back doored great if not sorry. It's going to be here and we'll work on next week. And that's that's pretty much where we're caused ends. He would love to change broke to make it not broke. But he's not gonNA push too hard yet for that to happen so we have some other. Conversations are also happening. Sue and re they call her re or re re. I'm definitely just calling her. Rica's why would I say it twice if I don't need to? So as SUE ENSUITE. Suzanne and they call her zoo angry. They are going to have a complaint session about. Angie and men men is annoying. Angie does annoying things with food. They don't like them either of them really. According doesn't like them and so two is definitely doesn't doesn't really like the mother for real. They have a decent connection that suing jail. And Vanessa have a little bit of a connection. They also going to have some some talks about people that they like jail and and re-releasing compensate where they complain about Angie and men and they talk about the people they like Mattie and Sheldon and broke and all of those people right so just those kind of those four do have some connections Rian particular seems to have the most amount of outside connections the Michael J. L. Seem a little more focused on Jamar and sheldon whereas re is a little more focused on people like sue and And maybe Vanessa or whoever may be maybe maybe man even though she doesn't like Say Out of the format as the one or Madeleine's the one with the least outside connections from before it appears that way. It appears that way She's she's definitely focused. A lot on Michael but but she's also. I think because of that the least threatening of the four and so probably the least likely to get sent home As they all four of them are pretty big targets right now but but we'll see I will say if Michael doesn't end up going. The personal benefits from the most is going to be modeling. Because I think I think she's got the chops to like be able to socially put herself in the house. I think right now. She's just love Goggle into Michael and is not really doing anything else with that ability. So yes and so Michael and Mattie they do have connection this seems potentially romantic. I didn't see any overtly romantic things but they definitely are pretty close she. He has told her he is revealed. The secret about his military experience. She she knows about that. She's the only one he has considered he. He's when he's talking to where he said. I was considering telling Kyle that maybe if I tell Kyle about it. He'll have more respect for me. I'm like yes. I should have been doing that in the first place but Matty Says No. Don't do that matters like remember. Derek number that Guy Derek and Michael's like not of course not but he was like a cop and he never told anybody the whole time so she's like wouldn't it be so. I think he's essentially so it wouldn't be so cool if you did that too but I don't think they understand that first of all he's in serious danger this week and second of all. He should have already told him if he tells people now he's he's already ruined the first impression but I mean I think she's right. You shouldn't reveal it now because the whole point is that first impressions matter and if his first impression is as a military man than that could have helped but now he's just now it's like oh I'm secretly in the military because so you're a liar right is basically what you're saying exactly it's a liar and you've had military training so you're going to be exactly live so no no. No no no I think I echo what you have mentioned Brent as mentioned the preseason stuff that him saying he was in the military from the jump would have garnered nothing but probably respect and people wanting to work with him because he seems like someone you can confide in and trust to be honest with you. Be Straight shooter. So that's already been shot. Now he has to move on and I think it was a bad miss move honestly want to see how the being a yoga instructor plays out for so mad. He's going to open up about her past relationships. She said some bad experiences in the past. They have you know conversations about that. Then we're going to have a conversation between Sheldon and Min. I mentioned this earlier that they do have a good relationship here. But it's not a solidified alliance kind of relationship because Sheldon is kind of keeping men at arms length. She's a bit of a wild card right. So so what you have here in this conversation. Is that men really liked sheldon. She really wants to work with him. She wants to put together some kind of alliance that involves him and she wants him to be safe. She wants to be loyal to him but she's concerned for him because he doesn't have anybody and she's worried that poor sheldon is going to end up as she's you're too nice you're GonNa you're just. I don't want you to be one of those people that's just too nice and just doesn't play aggressively enough and then get screwed. I've got your back and I'm loyal to you and I just want you to be okay in the game and Sheldon. I'm sure is just like on the inside. Like oh man. This is exactly what I want I said I know I know I'm paranoid. I know but I am loyal to you and I want you to know that and I want you to know that I can be valuable to you. And so she says she says I want you. You remember last season with Dane and Kiki and I don't want you to be like that. I don't want you to be the Kiki St and Sheldon's like which one M. I. Kiki or St. I Love I love when players. That are in a better place are getting lectured by people who probably aren't and he plays this off really well to me. Sheldon's kind of like that guy at the party that can you end up seeing him in every room of the party you go to any gets on with everybody. Obviously he obviously has its core group. He can walk into any room and he's okay and I think that it plays really well for him and the fact that he doesn't she doesn't see him as being an proper concrete relationships is nothing but good for him because like you said she wants to bring him in. So let let him be brought in by manly or lesser believe. She's doing that. Yeah so he tells he tells her not to worry She does ask. Are you an alliance with hero with broke? Like he's now I'm not in any alliances. She says well we need to get something going because the other side of the House Has Lines. We need to get together consolidate the power but sheldon shells. I just I don't think people are ready for it yet. I just scared like you can't have a conversation like this with here. Because he doesn't say anything. Of course. We know that Sheldon is actually in a secret alliance with here and broke and ensue. Anybody says look I. I've been looking out for you with people that I'm that I'm good with that. I say good things about you and I do believe that you're with me but I think where we disagree. Is that you know we should put something official together. I just worry that people are not ready for it. So Sheldon is essentially. What he's trying to do is maintain the relationship. He has with with men that she's going to continue to protect him and in work for him but does not want to officially attach his name to hers in any kind of official capacity because she such a wild card and not well liked in the House. And so that is. That's a potential dangerous situation for him. If that happens she's all. She's working to protect him. Anyway why attach his name so he's trying to do that without offending her seemingly. Does it pretty well in this conversation? Yeah I mean it's a situation where with someone who can have volatility like mainly it's a bit of a double edged sword because either he quote unquote puts a ring on it and commits to the pairing and then she starts mouthing off. People that hate means Sheldon are tight. We got a thing going and then. That's a bad look for him. Because now they're seen as Noah pairing or an alliance of sorts but then there's the other side where if you say no and she gets mad that you're saying no and now she goes around saying you can't be trusted or just start before absolutely no reason so walking down the tight rope line is relatively hard but I do think that ultimately he did well enough for it to be harmless and for him dob a good relation with her moving forward all right so we also got a conversation between Vanessa and Carol were Vanessa's starting to freak out a little bit. I Made A tweet about how men. Vanessa's freaking out to long haired. Bros. talking about running the game alright. Big Brother Seventeen. Can we get over to big brother candidate already? Because Vanessa infamously brothers seventeen was freaking out in the first night so Vanessa. She's struggling socially she's talking to Carol about how she feels like people. They don't talk to her. She feels like she can't get a word in and Carroll says we're overlooked people people don't really care about our opinions and I hate to say kyle kind of sets the tone right and maybe maybe you should talk to him about this. Carol says in nobody cares about our opinions of the only people that talk game with with me. Are The people in the six? Oh well Angie does. But it's Angie right and so the other side of the house they don't talk to me at all and that's just like that's just society right like they just don't even care so so that's clearly work. Carol STANDS CAROL. Part of the six has some connections. She has the main connection in that secret trio but I think otherwise is finding a little bit of difficulty socially to connect with others in the house right now. So well insulated well positioned but doesn't seem to have the tools that a lot of people in the six do I would say so and I think that If we vanessa feeling the way she does I think that's probably more connections that she then she feels she has her having a good pairing with. Kyle means that. Kalle being kind of a bit more of a butterfly that he is bringing her into more projects whereas carol is a little bit. More insulated within the six without many outs. And I do think that's something that will come back around honesty. She knew coming into it was. I'm the oldest person there was worried there but I think she's done a good job for herself and I think that she's someone who is also really good social player and who after a couple of conversations could start getting a little bit of a footing on her to do more and make more connections outside the six. I don't think she's done the opportunity and the important thing for her is to not just lose hope and then commit to this six entirely but to just keep having the conversation as little as they can be. Maybe they'll grow into something later on so Vanessa does go to Kyle and she kinda you know cries to him a little bit. He tells her. Don't don't worry about it. He comforts hurries as look. I'm sorry if it feels that way in group settings but I have to pretend with other people. I don't have to pretend you're the only person I don't have to pretend with that. Vanessa is Kyle's main person and I do believe that is genuine. And that he's he's comforting her. She feels better. Afterwards is so good to hear that He then is going to let her know that she is safe with Chris. Because your mind. So it's he's he's not gonNA touch you. And he tells her that he will be taking the heat for her in the game. I think he kind of means this to in some in some way. I think he really does want to help. Protect her in the game. They also talked to sue. He fills them both in on the plan. Which is that Brooke and here are going to go up. Michael is going to be the back door. They would love to get Chris to change his mind about Brooke. And maybe get Angie nominated instead. They're going to try to work on that. Chris really wants to make that happen. He really does not like Angie. He calls her a piece of shit and a loser. I so the one piece of information for me. That isn't quite quite clear is what exactly has n. g. done to garner this much negativity with so many people like the mainly we kind of got a snippet of it on the show with her and her complaining about the sleeping arrangements and people walking and stuff but if mentally is kind of like has these feelings in them vocalise them. Okay sure I can see why that could be rotating here and there but I still haven't quite figured out Angie thing and everyone kind of goes back to Angie's a little bit unpredictable. I don't know what Angie's capable I don't know where her how does that so. I'm not quite sure what it is with Angie rubbing so many people the wrong way I'm asking getting requests to get the chart backup so we can. They can know who's who were talking about. I just briefly for those who are watching along earlier. We were talking about Carol. Carol and Vanessa and then they talked to Vanessa talk to Kyle. And then Kyle talked to Vanessa and sue about about this stuff. So Kyle. He really really does not like Angie. And that's who we're talking about now and Angie to answer your question to some degree at least the main complaint about. Angie has to do with food that she is. I guess wanting people to make food for her she's always consuming food from other people but not on tribute. He's GonNa later complained to hear that that she was asking for food to be made for her and then when asked if she could make food she's like well. I only know how to make grilled cheese. And so they're like well. Why don't you just make grilled cheese? Then is so that what? Kyle is complaining about her here in that conversation. We didn't have the vitriol that Chris Kyle did but added to the conversation and contributed examples of things that Angie has done that might annoy people really complaining about Angie. She mentioned food. I believe that. Who also brought up Angie and food so that they're all talking about Angie food. I don't know if there was a major incident caused surface many small incidents. But that's that seems to be the main focus points for the Angie hates but But of course there's probably some other aspects to this as well who would've thought who would have thought that something small as food would be the straw that breaks there. I mean ultimately also she's also not within any of the tight or tighter alliances so it doesn't quite it's an easy thing to also go on to and look at it and try and be like this is something that is frustrating so I see it now. Understand it but you know. Sometimes you don't need it to be a big reason All right so we're then going to get a conversation with Sheldon and Brooke who are definitely a big power pair here in the house. They talk about who might go from the four Sheldon would love for Mattie or read to go you know he I think has the strongest connection with Michael and so he you know Michael can go but it didn't appear to be his preference but Brooke thinks that Michael should go broke really just like anything that gets us through this week. I'm fine with they talk about men as As a wildcard men here and that they both have some decent relationships with her but they can't trust her to To be super reliable so sheldon explains what he's doing trying to keep her without actually having to commit and Brooke they talk about about men they talk about like she's smart like she recognizes the Connections Sheldon has like she sees things and Brooke comments. Like she's like I feel like if Brooke hadn't if men hadn't been backed into a corner in the way that she was at the start of the season I feel like she could have done well here but she's unfortunately for her. She's the kind of person that if backed into a corner. She can't help but claw her way out and I thought that was a great description of whom in appears to be so far that you put her in a corner. She's she can't help herself. She needs to claw her way out. She can't find a more subtle way. Yeah I you'll similarly because I do think that men could be somebody who is going to get discounted moving forward because of those moments even though she could have good. Read it within the house so I think she someone that we can watch out for because if there is a lot less of the arguments with men I think she's got what it takes to put in some good damage here. I also do like going back to this. Dream Alliance for everyone of Broken Sheldon and just how much they are well-connected and then also again it goes back to he doesn't really want. Michael necessarily because obviously. That's his one in that group that he also feels like good with but then they have so many disposable like side pieces that if they go. It's fine brook said as long as they managed to survive this with Chris being the ultimate wildcard of an H. O. H. Then they're fine and they can all the pieces back up next week and figure out where they are from there they just have to survive this one. Because it's a little peculiar. Yes alright so kyle is going to. Kyle is going to be talking with hero at the pool table. And they they discuss you know most of the conversations that he is a part of our personal conversations not a lot of strategy. Talk with here but kyle does kind of in insinuate that there might be a back door plan in the works. Kyle also explains about why how annoying. Angie is which I talked about a little bit before. So that's that's mainly where that one stands We then got a conversation with with Kyle and Brooke. And he's going to let her know about the plan that she might be upon here. She's obviously not pleased about that plan. That would be ideal for Brooke. He he also lets her know about Chris's skepticism toward Sheldon. And she says well that's good to know because sheldon is going to help. Try to push Chris in a certain direction and if Chris Skeptical of him then he needs to alter his approach and so we need to warn Sheldon about this and they do later worn sheldon about him and he does alter his and he's his approach. Now is going to be that because Chris is worried about sheldon being part of that four. He's going to sort of try to talk to Sheldon in a way where sheldon doesn't know or sorry tired of. Talk Chris in a way that we're Chris doesn't know that Sheldon knows that Chris thinks that Shell and as part of the floor so sheldon is going to be like so that four they they suck. He's going to basically in a more subtle way or at least maybe even more subtle way. Try to insinuate that. He is not a part of that for that. He is definitely with Chris. And Kyle and hopefully that will help broke his also. GonNa try and talk to Chris and get him to to not put her on the block but it does not seem like there's GonNa be a ton of success there again. The rehearsal with Chris. I think will go a long way. And we'll see the fruits of that Labor later today. Hopefully ultimately I think so I wanNA talk about hero for a second because this is also a very unfortunate position for him to be in. Because unlike Angie he is also like Angie. He's also free agent. But unlike Angie he's inoffensive and like no one really has a strong opinion negative or positive about him if anything they feel okay a normal with him he doesn't really talk all that much game. Which kind of does match the personality he had going into the House of. Just I'm going to be honest and trump on his game. I think that he's someone that if we go into next week and he's still there. People will try and scoop up as a whole number which I think sheldon and broke up already kind of started putting the working for but not enough that if he's on the block this week next obviously he's like casualty here so it's really unfortunate. Because I do think that he someone who can pick up the game as he goes along and once he gets in he could make do some things with it but I think again it goes back to. He's in about spot because of all people. Chris one this George so kinda sucks to being UH position. Yeah all right so we do. Get this trio talk with Vanessa Carol and Min in the Pantry that they come together they talk about like men is like. Are we still? Are we still doing this? Are we still making this happen? of men talks about again men really talking about like how she is really and not a great position in the House that she knows she's a liability right now to them but she is loyal. She's willing to do what she can. Vanessa tries to reassure her she says honestly men the only person throwing your name out there Jimar And we don't really again Jim. There's definitely some serious flirtation there. I have to imagine the Jomar. Men's name probably not super serious but apparently he keeps talking about. How if he wins. He's putting her up and so I imagine that's Jemima's way of flirting right. That seems to be Jamora sort of eighth grade flirting technique nagging her. But you know I hate you. I don't care about you your nasty. I'm GONNA nominate you. Yeah so it's working. She's going to like moths to a flame. She's GonNa Hover back to me. I don't I don't know I don't know what's going on Jabbar's head with this because it's very clear that they there's some kind of chemistry there. There's some kind of one sided like or not. They talked about sharing a bed in a more traditional sense last night. And how you can handle me. Oh no you couldn't handle me so there's clearly some kind of chemistry. There's something going on there. Some tension there. I don't think you would put her up if you want or I mean I don't know it's Jomar. So maybe he would. It would be funny if it happened but I don't think so. Yeah they do talk about breaking up the four the victors but but me says she midfield St Min says she feels good with three and that maybe if they take out rees friends they'll be able to pull re in and so that's sort of this trio seems to think that's a decent idea. We then hear from Michael Mattie J L three from those four bay talk about the state of the House and it is night and day where the House stands the six in particular versus where these four stand. They are so far behind. Jail is talking about like a man. We've got this on lock Bra. I like nobody knows it. Nobody sees US coming. Everybody wants to work with us. We've got Jimar loves us. He wants to be in with us. They feel good with Sheldon. They feel like they feel like they feel good about Brooke. You know there are a little bit worried about this week. Christie such wildcard. But they just hear hearing them talk is like is like hearing going into a different season and in listening to like a whole. Somehow all of the people who haven't seen the show Kinda got together and not all of the people but like Michael J. L. Both aren't knowledgeable about the show re. I'm not entirely sure about in. Certainly Mattie knows the show to some degree but she's too focused on Michael so it's these four are there floundering. It's very funny because I think obviously these four come in. They're told they're safe. They didn't get the bottom for woods and they find each other and they. Just sit on autopilot. I think they're like well this week. We're chill everything's amazing and we have lines. I bet no one else has one. We're fine. Meanwhile everyone else kind of started putting in the work and like trying to build a little circle and then build beyond it and expand on it on another piece here in another piece there so they not only caught up their laps. Lapping them now. And these four still feeling themselves and the Cherry on top. It goes back to the fact that even though the whole house knows of their alliance existing. They don't know that people know so they're more leaned back and like just reclining and hanging out because they think they've got it on lock. No one has any idea. So is this truly the wars of both worlds for them right now because as strong as their connection to each other there are bigger and stronger connections forming elsewhere with more numbers. I know what you're going on about. We're like the best alliance in the House Man I. I don't know why you're saying this about me dude normally. Yeah we've got this so we are also going to see that there's going to be a hot tub conversation that let me get the the churn appear for this one. We have Su- we have Vanessa. We have men and they are talking with Chris in the hot tub and they're putting in work to try and convince Chris that did not go after Sheldon first and foremost. I don't worry about show. I don't think he's in the four like you think he is. I think he's not. He's not a part of that at the four five right. So they're trying to get them away from Shell and they also tried to he then going to open up about his plans for the back door and he talks about potentially who he might nominate. They try to sway him away from Brooke. Toward Angie but he does not like that. He's very firm on Brooke. He likes Angie. He wants to use. Angie in the game angie is with us. I'M NOT GONNA put Angie. She's that's a waste. I'M GONNA put up on the block. They do not find much success convincing Chris to change his mind there and so they do however talked about solidifying some kind of group they solidify this this force them right here for now. They call themselves the tanks and they talk about a five person thing that there's that Kyle is involved in as well and and they also talk about this idea of getting some more people involved to make an eight person thing. This is a pretty funny moments here where they're talking about the numbers that they need and and Chris is like well we need eight eight for the vote and then Chris has has a Eureka. Moment is a is an epiphany. He goes wait a minute so if we have eight and then after this week there's fourteen and we'll eight eight eight thirteen eight twelve. We're just boom boom boom eight people just down to. I mean we can. That's that's good like he's figuring out that having a majority in the house and keeping it is a good thing so he's really he's really excited about it and so So that's that's a lot of conversation. Yeah you I would have never expected someone to have a live. Eureka moment like that on cam given that. This is one of the more simplistic things to think about. Numerical advantage wins. I think the problem so we've talked about for a while now during this update about how there's multiple people at the very least alluding to hey don't put shell them don't think of Shit. He's not with them. I think Chris being from the world he is. He's the speaker he's the guy on the stage with a microphone and everyone else is his audience. The audience is not the talk back to him. He is supposed to help the audience so they're piping and they're like don't do this. Don't do this. He's not an. I know what I'm doing on the right one. I will lead you to the path. You will not leave me so I think that is a little bit a part of his breakdown as a person because it really does feel like outside of Kyle. No one else can really tell him what to do. And the only reason call does is because his guard is down is. That's his bro. So yeah well. Also Chris talks with Angie a little bit after this conversation in the Hoa. Trim he talks with Angie about like essentially trying to reel her in like a you know she. She seems into it. She seems like she has been ruled in by Chris Degree. She hasn't really have many other options and so he talks about like if we can pull in. Carroll as the older person she doesn't have any connections Dr- Mara loves me. We can get those three. I like those three and those three would be you know. In addition to the five that he already has right and so That would make eight. And so that's what I think he's trying to build this eight and those would be his three. And then there'd be another group over here and he has kyle and he is sue and he's trying to set himself up here any talks about sheldon and being a little bit worried about sheldon being close with the four and even Angie is like well. I don't think he's really with them. I think he's too nice. He's the problem is i. It will push to Nice. And that's getting him in trouble and I I'm with you. I think that this annoys Chris. I think that like if you've ever been in a situation as social situation may be at work in the office or something where there's somebody there and you don't like them. They don't have a connection with them. You're just kind of annoyed by them. You think they're like they're they're annoying. They don't like you may be but everybody else loves them every hours constantly talking about how great they are how much they're wonderful and you're just sitting there the one person that's like but they saw they make me feel bad. Why does everyone loves them? Why can't people think the way that I think? I think that's what's happening here with Chris and Sheldon and so the more that other people are defending Sheldon and talking about how nice he is and how. He's not with that group. The more that Chris is like I'm the Nice Guy I'm the one. He's not the one I don't like this. And so I kind of boiling up a little bit. Ju just a little bit. And that's why I think from D. Most interesting conversation is going to be the inevitable Chris and Sheldon. Because that's where we see if because like you said we've had that everyone's that one person they don't really like everyone else likes but when that person comes and talks to you and you can tell they're nice it goes on as either you like. I was wrong which I don't think Christmas like so. I think it's going to be likely the only guy I don't buy anything he saying. So that could go that way Alternately Christmas headstrong type of guy or he likes to believe he is and he will not let anyone lead him down the other path of he's wrong. That's never going to happen. So yeah I mean the good thing is that everyone has kept the same story with. Shell in the sense that you know whether no matter. What the reasoning is everyone said no? I don't really think Sheldon's the guy you think and Sheldon put him up to it as well as anyone rehearse this that just shows Sheldon's acumen in the game and its capability to just be a good social player. So that's working out for him. Even though Chris once everything do not believe that an so sheldon is going to do some small work with Chris. Before the night ends he goes up. The he's Bro Man. Yeah some so excited and it's so funny to watch this from Sheldon because we know who sheldon is he's the guy that walks onstage straight faced. He's the guy that in his interviews and everything ahead of time. It was like I'm going to go in there. I'm GONNA do what it takes to do it. You know it's GonNa make it happen But he is not a Abro or and he talked about like when people are drinking and have to pretend like fake. Be this all this stuff and watching him go. Yeah Oh oh yes. Let's do this. I'm so excited and it's very very fun to watch but but we'll see how effective it is with. Chris. At least it seems to be pretty effective with everyone else but but that's that's that he plans on doing a longer session at some point today. Maybe it's already happened as far as where you've been doing an update but we'll we'll be able to update you on that tomorrow morning at eleven am eastern but before the night ends. Brooke is feeling upset because She's probably going on the block and so she ends up crying. She's not happy with the situation. She's crying to Kyle. She's upset about the fact that she's being nominated but she's also upset that she feels like all people it has to be Kyle. That's nominating me. She kind of talked before about how she felt like. Because Kyle has been kind of been hitting on her sometimes sorry. Yeah Chris Chris Prison Kyle. I'm getting their names mixed up. I hope that doesn't continue to happen throughout the season but Chris has hit on her a couple of times on wanted and she feels like he's kind of disrespectful to two women to her and she really does not have to sit there and be nominated by by Chris of all people. Who's probably GonNa say something disrespectful in his speech and like it's just it's just doesn't feel gross about it. She knows she's going to have to sit there and take it and pretend that she's just like this week person that's not going to stand up for herself. Because that's what's best for her game and it's really frustrating and Kyle is there comforting her aggressively comforting her like like wiping tears away from her face every every thirty seconds which. I feel like it's a bit much but whatever. Yeah and just a quick snippet to today when they did. They had their conversation literally five minutes before we got on the jury. Chris did with Brooke and Brooke had been seeing all night and this morning that she just doesn't feel like she's connecting with. Chris and Chris has been she she really hates to the core body that yes the kisses is a little bit fake her way through it so she sitting there and she's talking about like how like you know she feels and she's speaking and fricken. Chris every three cents a calm down. It's like don't worry that you're fine. No calm down like greed debris. She's talking let her talk and he keeps doing that. And you can tell the patients on to not snap because we know she doesn't want to deal with this and Chris Literally Doing Nice Guy Things by relaxed chilling. Where to go with me? I've got your back. Don't worry breed no not good But Brooke is good in the sense that she's able to hide all of those feelings at least the Christian space but she's been relatively vocal about her feelings and feel she's got off the wrong foot with this guy at the very least mock is throughout the last twelve hours. Yeah she also talked to Michael about the about how she feels about. Kris which that was an interesting decision. Obviously Michael. She's she's in with that for a little bit. She has this relationship with Michael but But certainly with Michael as a potential target. I'm not sure I completely co-sign the idea of giving Michael that ammunition that you could theoretically use against her in the future. She has a lot of backup. She's probably fine anyway. But I don't know if I loved that. Move from Brooke. Although I did like some other stuff that I've seen from her she and also to be clear. That Brooke also mentioned that you like. She feels bad for even talking about this because she thinks she feels that. Chris's genuinely like a good guy. But just the way that he talks disagrees with some of his the things that he says and they really like they really just don't Mesh well with her own personal experiences and he reminds her of experience bad experiences that she's had in the past and so that's why she's bringing it up but she doesn't want to to be saying anything definitive like. Oh He's a terrible person should be ashamed or anything that and so she. She's conflicted in that way as well. That even speaking up at all is going to cause some sort of overreaction and that's GonNa make her feel even worse and so this sort of spirals on itself here for Brooke. She's not trying to assassinate his character like painting with a brush. She's merely trying to voice her opinions and feelings towards this one person in the house who has the power and where she doesn't feel like she genuinely feels like she can't connect with this person and we've seen her naturally connected so many people in the house already in this little bit of time span so it's just a being between a rock and a hard place for her because she wants. She feels good. She wants to be an hour. She wants to play but also she has to do that with this person who she feels like even when she's trying she doesn't feel like they end up on the same level of understanding because they just don't jell together and it's hard for her because she's trying to navigate away from being endanger an order. Does she asked to talk to him? And in order to talk it's taking a lot out of her because she really doesn't like to because of all the experiences and because of how hard it feels so finally broke wants some time alone and she is going to use that opportunity to talk to the cameras and let us know how she's feeling and what the state of the houses she confirms that. This is all genuine from her about Chris but she also starts talking about the state of the House and she is the one that finally informs us about. I can come back to the chart here. You'RE GONNA. She finally talks to us about how it's her and Sheldon. That sheldon is the person she feels closest to And she trusts him and she wants to work with him. They have a core for with with Kyle and Vanessa. They have added onto that. A six person thing with Carol and sue as she also. Has This This alliance with with era With Sheldon ensue. As well and so she talked about that and then they she knows that sheldon has more alliances outside of that he has her about which I imagine. Include People like Michael and John Luke and and trauma to some degree in there of course up there with Mattie and dreary and then you know still got Angie hanging out there you got Chris under Kyle. And you've got mainly here with Vanessa and Carol and that's the state of the House according to Brooke although it really the again. The main piece of information from broke is that this is the core for Brooke Sheldon Kyle and Vanessa and so she says I can see what's happening but I gotta Say I am a little concerned that even though I can see everything that I don't actually have the goods to do anything about it. And that's the difference between me and sheldon that he has the goods. He's really good at this game. I think Sheldon is the best player in the house Which like that. I'm working with him but I am a little bit concerned. That in my core for alliance I feel like. I don't have a chance to beat Sheldon. I don't have a chance to be kyle. That's a little bit concerning. Even Vanessa is very good. Even sue is very very good and so she's worried that she is even though she's well positioned in the house. She doesn't have a lot of influence over the houses direction. And if she stays in this spot she might make it far but how does her endgame look and so she's worried about that? She talks about Sheldon how good he is and she essentially comes to the conclusion that I know. I can't beat him. I just got to wait for him to get overconfident. And I'm already seeing in the chat. Something that I think. A lot of people were responding to last night as they were watching this which was slow down a little bit the little I mean. Good that she's thinking about it. Yes in vocalizing it to us is fine as long as it doesn't actually interfere with her game but we we know very little about her as a player in this could be an indication that she might be a bit of an over thinker. Yeah I think I mean I'm someone who also just thinks about the same thing over and over and piles onto things about the worst case scenario a scenario so. I definitely see what she's doing. But like you said if this is just her giving us the information and trying to think ahead. That's incredible but it's also been just a week. You still have so much game left in front of you. You're very good social player. You do have the capability to hook up all these alliances and find new people and bonds to keep yourself safe. I think the fact that she finds out that she could be going on. The block is enough for her to not spiral necessarily but are really start thinking about like worrying about the situation. She's currently in and be like okay. We'll show them much better than I am. There's still a lot of game left to go. I liked that we are being shown. Or She's showing us that she has the ability to analyze the game like this on different layers different levels steps ahead at a time but hopefully she doesn't overdo it to the point where she stars overplaying or thinking is fine so long as she doesn't overplay as long as she's just doing that that's a fun exercise to keep her mind going in the house. All right so that's where we have for you. That was the first night of Big Brother Candidate. Feeds anything else that you wanted to bring up not really like. I said I know that right when we were getting on. When Chris started having his conversations he talked with era here on him kind of talked about he asked if he thinks that sheldon thing with dudes and Euro said no. Yes broke the exact same thing. That's still going on. I'm sure there's more we're going to get. Wendy's ever going to get our we NAM TODAY. A lot going down there and all in all. I'm just excited to be back with what is looking like. It's going to be a very big brother season for us to dig into some guests in Kris told Kyle this morning that he has a crazy idea that he's not sure kyle is going to like so I don't think i. I don't think we've heard what that is yet. So I've seen right so as far as we know there could be a major change to the plans for the nominations for the ultimate target. I have to imagine that if it's a crazy plan kyle might not like. It probably involves Sheldon Sheldon's. The one person that they'd Chris really has been focusing on an kyle is kind of backing up to some degree so I don't know we'll we'll see. Yeah we'll both. We'll see what happens. Obviously because the current plan looked like kyle was going to be the one going to Wendy's with him so this could be where they're breaking bread and he tells them what's going on there. Do I think that if that happens Kabul try and move that push back more. Yes but we just have to see what's going on in the mind of the mind bender. That is Chris. And if the powerlifter can lift those thoughts out of his mind. We'll see you should be a writer for the show via the announcer. I'll get a GIG at some point. Who knows but until then Abi here every Friday talking with you having fun and then tweeting. Random stuff about it on twitter. Where can people find you on twitter? You'll find me on twitter and other social media platforms at PUJA ISM ago. We of course back tomorrow morning at eleven am eastern to update and everything that happens today on. The Big Luther candidate live feeds. Should be a good one because I imagine there's a lot of stuff that's going to go down a lot of individual conversations with Chris a lot of planning. We're going to get the nominations today. We just found that out and so it should be should be interesting show. It will definitely know a lot more by tomorrow morning. And I'm looking forward to it so make sure you tune in then you can find on twitter in the meantime at Armstrong Taryn. You can find me on twitch. You're interested in hanging out with me. As I watched the feeds. When things are happening you can find me there. Twitch DOT TV Slash Karen Armstrong on time. Last night watching watching this stuff. Go down and I I'm GONNA say it again. Really optimistic about this season about this cast. There's a lot of stuff happening a lot of stuff going on and I'm excited same and I'm for anyone that might not have dove into feeds yet and liked what they heard on our intrigued. You can go onto Brent's twitter at one lucky gay. He's got a pin tweet to how you can figure out how to watch the feeds and all that good stuff from brench over there and Yeah and I'm guessing we're going to get stock. Watch two zero three point on new version on Tuesday. Yes excited to invest. 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Big Brother Canada 8 | March 15 | Overnight Update

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Big Brother Canada 8 | March 15 | Overnight Update

"Every morning Gary Armstrong acting. Yes again all this John and GM. Sandy said that he could do tomorrow. We'll do it again. Hello everyone and good morning. Welcome to our alive. Feet update for March fifteenth. I'm Heroes Turn Armstrong and with me. Today is jess how you doing. I'm good thank you for having me on. I'm so excited very very excited to have you on Jessica was on the most reason season of sequester Brent and I covered. She was my favorite player on the season around. Yes very excited to have you here to talk big brother Canada with us yes. I'm so excited. I love big brother. Canada and the seeds have been so crazy so we will around all right all right. We are here to tell you about everything that happened yesterday. On the big brother candidate. Eight live feeds. It was day fifteen in the house. And what a day for you to join us. I lack of very packed very pack day. A lot of stuff going down here. I know and I feel like it's never a dull moment in this house with this. Ask truly ice. I said on night I was like hey you know sheldon has won the H H. He's got a plan already. It should be relatively straightforward week. We've got here right. It's should be like what what what could possibly go wrong here other than like I did. I did suspect that men could be in trouble and that might cause a little bit of a stir but not nearly what I seeing here today. I think her first mistake was going and putting all balls in Angie's thing and plus again because right from the start like people were annoyed with that and I think just her mouth. She just needs to be quiet. She could stay quiet. She'd be fine but she has to go around telling everyone everything all the time and making up lies 'cause she's bored and she's in trouble and a lot of people are enjoyable quite honestly all right so really. I tweeted this out that we've got. We've got a ton of stuff to cover here. We had a blow up in the House. We had the veto competition happened. We had a target is chosen. We had we had a wildcard exposed and really the house dynamics are continuing to shift. The state of the House will not stay put and so. There's a lot to get to here. So let's let's get started. One of the first things we saw in the morning was that Chris is going to confront sue a little bit. Now he's been told by Vanessa that there is a five person alliance that consists of Sheldon Brooke. Sue Jomar and here. This has rocked Chris World and he is not a fan of it and so he is going to go to sue and question her. Hey are you are you working with with Jomar and here in Chelsea this puts going on and sue is just like Whoa Whoa. Whoa WHOA. Whoa HOO HOO. Fed you this. Who who told you this? I don't like this something something made. You doubt me what what's going on here. Chris and he's like I just I just see things sometimes right so I just are you. Are you working with them? I don't know what's going on. Yeah Chris I feel so bad for. He should never have said he was a brain specialist because thou he just has this impression that he's supposed to be so smart and be able to pick everyone's minds apart and really. I feel like everybody else is doing that to him instead. And he's just asking everybody all the time like we were. He's just clueless and everybody feels like they can trick him so I feel bad for signed up. Well she is going to try really hard here to To get some work on him because he's clearly suspicious of her in this moment but he won't tell her who told him which you know is definitely a lifesaver for Vanessa. But she says you're not telling me who I trust you. The most in this game Chris. I trust you the most in order for you in order to make this work you need to tell me where this came from Kristie over and over like why are you one hundred percent hundred with me. One hundred percent. Yes yes. You're my number one Chris and so He's still not really telling her she tries to explain like a well. Look my relationship with Brooke. Is You know because I'm close to Clifton Brooke Books Costa Shell and all this stuff and Chris says you know what though I will tell you of all the guys in the house. I do feel best sheldon. Kyle's cool and all but like sheldon is so reliable like you can just talk. He's not doing anything crazy like he is the guy I trust the most. He's still trust the girls more than all the guys because he's such a ladies man but trust sheldon the most out of the guys even more so than Kyle at least in this moment Vanessa will continue to be working on him in that regard though so I he says you know it's going around going on a few people are talking about like you don't trust me you don't trust you're telling me it was it. Was you know it could have been a little bit of men APPS? Yeah it's weird because Vanessa in men. I feel like nobody really has made this comparison. But they're both such agents of chaos but Vanessa is just able like I don't know why she's so for against men because minutes the perfect person to blame all of her stuff on his nobody knows. Vanessa's an Asian of chaos. In the house. So any time like Vanessa. Masters upper does something we're lies it's always blamed on minute just assumed that it's men so. I should not want her mom because men is the perfect shield for her for all her chaos. It's true it's very true. So he says he says you can't even talk to kyle anymore. She asks she's but she's continuing to try to be like well. Who is it? And she asked was Vanessa and he. He's like well. I I mean so Vanessa I mean sometimes but men men's things not even a very good direction there but that's a keeps getting away with it for now to see if it catches up there like it's kind of catching up men. Now he says she then she cries to him she like jumps into his lap. Like she's pulling out all the stops but it's not working so yes Susan really good social player but I think she can eat like people are catching onto her aimal. He at one point says I just use scurrying around all the time. And she's like what am I supposed to do because I talk to? Everyone and then people will get mad that I talked everyone. I don't talk to everyone. They get mad that I'm not talking to them what to do. That is true though. It's just a personality. Yeah she can't hide it. It's very very true So we then get to the. They're going to pick players for the veto and this is going to be a very strange veto because five players were picked. I believe those five players were of course Mattie re and then I think it was Brooke Chris and mainly were the other Hicks but then after after those five players were chosen for the veto they all then chose a partner to play in the veto with them. So matty chose John. Luke chose hero Brooke chose Sue. Chris chose Kyle men shows. Vanessa I think yeah and I thought this was weird. Has this ever happened before where they've done? A pairing for a veto competition was kind of weird to put like for. Matty read to have to put their fate into a partner. Seems Weird to me. It is very strange. I and in so basically how this works is whichever team wins. The veto the original player picked for the veto. We'll have the veto power and their partner will be safe. The cabbie nominated as a replacement. Yeah which seems it just seems like a very weird dynamic and I guess because they were able to pick their own player that it could be a benefit to their game but also if that player really how do you trust that. They don't want you out and they're gonNA throw it and then you're gonNA lose kind of plan a plan It's it's it feels a little bit like I think the closest thing I can think of big brother thirteen when they introduced the payer is back again the final six or whatever and it helps save both Rachel and Jordan which ended up leading to Rachel. Winning the game So I don't love the. I feel like the veto veto. Do whatever you want with the h wage. The veto has always been this like. It's an individual thing you win it for yourself. You're safe but you can't protect your allies if you're on the block. I've never liked this idea. That like a will you're on the block and you can protect both yourself and ally who's not on the block as long as you can win it as a pair. I love that. Yeah I wasn't crazy about it either. Well it's a very strange thing. Ten players are playing in the veto. Ten out of fourteen people in the house. We'll be playing in the veto so something happened during the veto picks or right after the feeds. Come back from the veto picks and there's some kind of like big confrontation going on. I I believe that Jimar who was upset that he was not chosen to play in. The veto was was mad at Kyle from the before I believe he was. He said something or angry or something. And then kyle made a comment to Jomar response. That was like hey when you when you act this way. You make the whole house uncomfortable. And that of course made Dhamar even more upset and then they ended up getting into it and I believe that's where the feeds came back and we saw a little bit of them arguing with each other and I did see Jomar said I forget who is talking to you. But he said he was very calm in the beginning and knowing Jomar he is very like loud and crazy but he's not a super. He's smart in the game and he's not going to be somebody who's going to be super like aggressive and confrontational. Unless there's a reason I get in my opinion I think and so I don't know I'm a huge fan but I just feel like he's looking for any reason to blow up on anybody and he's so irrational at times and I just feel like it was. It was a bad look on. Kyle's part but unfortunately I feel like it was also not great for Demar because he doesn't know that Sheldon's more loyal to kyle and so she's going to side with Kyle so now Jim ours in this bad position but it's not really his fault for my and like it is it's frustrating to watch. Shomar not because his behavior but because of what he's dealing with what he had to deal with and like like you can see like engine Mars. He's very like confidence individual. But you can see the hurt on his face in moments like this when he's called you know uncomfortable when people say that he makes people feel uncomfortable and he has people like men who later is going to be like. Oh pull your pants up. You look like a gang banger. You and you wonder why people act like say that you make them feel uncomfortable and it's just like he's like. I'm just a person like I walk around and it's like oh you make people feel uncomfortable You know it's just it really really sucks and you can see how much it hurts. Him and I wish that he had more people in there. That could back him up on an emotional and social level. But it's not. It's not happening because he doesn't really doesn't really have anyone in there. That's on inside. Yeah it's not fair and I think it's because he's so silly. They think that they can joke with him or stay. Certain things to him and I also think because he doesn't really blow up. They think they can say things to him but it's not fair to him because he shouldn't have to be just because he reacts things take those kinds of comments. I feel bad for him there. Well so the Jumar and Kyle. We'RE GETTING INTO IT. And Kyle was like you do make everyone feel uncomfortable in there. Were a lot. Jumar was like You make me feel tool. And then Kyle started imitating Jim marrs voice and Brooke was like Whoa. That's not cool and Brooke was trying to step in and get involved in that pissed kyle off because this is the second time. She's tried to intervene in his. You know his what he would call them but he definitely would downplay the blowups and so now kyle's mad at Brooke and here are also stepped in and was like. Hey Kyle I also feel like you can joke around with people but you can't take a joke and calls like what does that even mean and so in Carroll was mad at a Brooke because stepping in and trying to mediate the situation in burke was like. I don't think this is the forum. I think that you should have a private conversation. Caroline no it should be aired publicly and it was. It was all over the place here. Yeah I feel like I don't understand kyle and broke are working together. If Brooke is trying to intervene let her. She's trying to help you. She is not trying to make you look bad. She's trying to shut you up because you already are making yourself look bad so I feel like it's weird that he gets so mad. I said he just irrational at times. And I also feel like Brooklyn's really good. She's really good at mediating like also when. Marin men were talking about Angie and Carol and that whole drama had a few days ago broke a sitting there and she was listening and taking things in and really mediating. She does that really well so I feel like it's weird. That is that I don't know why they were getting upset with her. She was just trying to help. But yeah I mean and she's GonNa Talk With Sheldon about it and he was basically like look. You're in the right here but this is also a game and if people are arguing just let them do it. But it's so funny because Brooklyn Sheldon have completely opposite reactions to this. Kind of argument broke wants to step in and defend what she thinks is right and sheldon is like screw all of that. This is a game. I'm going to do. Its best for my game and I feel like the the people watching the feeds are like very split on like they kind of hate both both methods. Yeah I know I think shelled it is just. He's to me comes half fairy emotionless. I don't know if it's just because he's monotone but he has like no emotion so in those kinds of situations he's just solely game related to him like he's let this boil over. This is better for our game and I I get that but also if you're passionate about something or you feel something's important on the tape that I would have I would have I. It would be hard for me to sit back and not say anything so I see wolf points of views but I don't know I don't know which is better. Yeah this this situation in particular really made it clear to me that Sheldon truly is a game by and I was created this out there. Like if you've ever used the term game bought before I think you have to reevaluate your entire scale for what it means to call somebody a game because sheldon is the real deal and like we joke around that. I'm a robot and like I feel like a fraud because sheldon and wants me to shame in that regard. He is truly emotionless in this game to the point where I think it really hurts him because they can't even seem to really like understand stand or know how to deal with emotions when they come up like so broke is gonNa cry to Sheldon afterward. She's upset about this situation. She feels like Kyle doesn't respect her. She was just trying to to stand up for what she thought was right inches to protect kyle and to protect your. Marin like just get the situation over with and and Sheldon is just like hug. He doesn't know what to do to calm her down other than say like look Brooke. I understand. You're you're totally right. You're just don't do that again because it's bad for our game and that's the only thing that matters and if they're going to argue let them argue because that's just it's bad for your game and Brooks like I understand that. Don't you understand that when when I try to shut it down targets Matt me when you say all right? That's enough it's over like he's just like he respects you. He doesn't respect me. Don't you understand how that makes me feel is like totally but you just have to get over it because we're working with them and we need him and this is like we're in a good spot don't understand like hug right then sheldon's exactly what broke knees and his game because she is emotional? She's crying at the drop of a hat. And so I think if she had anybody else that was alongside her like. If Herman were together her and sewer it would be. She would be a mass all the time and I think sheldon just being like so I guess in strategic all the time like sounded balance each other out a little bit for sure and so he's also GonNa talk with Kyle. Who's also GONNA BE RANTING ABOUT BROOKE? Tamara situation and Sheldon. Does the exact same thing with your completely in the right in this situation. I will talk to her and make sure she never does it again. But we just need to squash this because we need to be working together like Sheldon does not care and that is definitely upsetting some people who want him to care especially about the situation and that's really where it's like dude. You're so cold here. But but he really does not care about a single personal issue in the house and he's very willing to tell people that too. When Carol comes in and apologizes for her role he just. He's just like care. I don't care I hope you realize I don't care. It has nothing to do with the game. Like I don't care about anything but the game it. You don't have to apologize to me. And she's like okay. I just thought like I didn't want to upset you or anyone. I just wanted to apologize seriously. I I could not care less really. Don't care and that's not the first time he's approached people apologize to him in that way he consistently says. I I don't care it doesn't matter anything to me. He's this it has nothing to do with the game. I know it's very strange strategy. I don't know if I've ever seen somebody like this before. Who just I'm interested to see how it's going to play out because right now to me. It's a little bit worrying but I think it's GonNa be good for him. If people know that he's going to game comes. I will never offend him. In a certain way or they'll never If they do get an argument he'll he can move on from it as long as it's game related so I feel like that can really work towards his benefit. But I'm interested in Seattle and shelled sheldon is like the ultimate. If you are somebody who can think logically sheldon is the ultimate ally. Because he's only logic and so he is most predictable player on the board and he he doesn't have any he can't maneuver anywhere emotionally and so he's completely pigeonholed into one logical throughput. Where you can say? You know exactly what he's going to do on where he is and logically where he's going to go from there so like if the problem. Is that the people that want to work with him. The most people like John Maher and here and trying to get in with him but all of those people like they're more emotional players. It's harder for them to understand sheldon and he doesn't understand them and so there's like this big divide and it's hard for them to To work with one another. It's interesting. It's really interesting for me to watch. It is super. It's frustrating at times when he can't when like those players like Jim Marr. It's so frustrating to me that he's not loyal to Jamaa because Demar is so loyal to him he's like his rider die and then he would rather work with someone like Kyle. How can you even connect with Kyle but again like him in Brook Houses Explosive Loud player and he's able to balance that out whereas Jejomar? I feel like it's more well rounded character and I think it just they just don't connect in that right. Yeah I mean again. It shows where like a sheldon is able to talk with kyle afterward in cows like look. I. I understand what you're saying. He listens to Sheldon and he does wish Ellen says to do go apologize to Brooke. They clear things up Brooke and Kyle have have a talk machine gets him to admit that he doesn't find her as authoritative as Sheldon. They kind of talk about that a little bit. And they clear the air and they're perfectly fine with each other again. And that's that's I think from Sheldon's point of view that's one of the main differences between tile and Jomar that when he goes to Germany and he's like look. I need you to clear the air with with Kyle. I I need you to get on board with this image Jim ours. I know that's very true. I hate that guy that is very true and I feel like Jim Artisan Sheldon whereas Kyle is more like willing to understand things from Sheldon's point of view but Jomar thinking. I'm doing this for both of us so I still am thinking of you. But it's not as in the way that Sheldon Juan. So I think that's probably part of it too exactly because Jomar operates on this sort of feeling of like like. Hey were together. And it's like a more a more emotional bond and like if if if Sheldon doesn't see what's good for us both than I do and I'm GonNa make sure that I make I make it happen for both of us but it's not that's not like a logical process so sheldon doesn't understand it and you know Sheldon's just like I can't. I don't know what to do with this person to me but I don't know how to work with them and it's a massive hole in his game but I have never seen somebody. This genuinely emotionless in a game and I I find it infuriating and interesting at the same time So we'll see we'll see where this goes. Yeah I am very curious to see if if it works. Yeah I've a feeling it's not going to but we'll see so so that's that's going on there with all these these things. Adamant in the jets is one. Wasn't cody emotionless. No way cody was not only with with Jess but but in the house as well like he was he was fiery hot at many points throughout the game. That's not sheldon is just ice cold. Always is he doesn't care like you could. You could make fun of cody. You could insult him and he would be like my honor but like you could make fun of Sheldon nearby like the game. I don't understand like you. Literally as a robot does not compute unless it involves something with the game. It has no relevance to him. It's trash he doesn't even talk about it. I feel like it's just anything that is gonNA make like somebody or he could care less like. I don't WANNA deal with US. So that all that went on and so we then get to the next portion of the day. Which is that. Vanessa's GonNa go and talk to men and she says guess what Brooke just did not just it but guess what Brooke did. She told me that I should throw the veto so that you don't win the veto. Because they don't know what you're GonNa do essentially and she says Brooke told me to do this and this is just by the way a complete lie Brooke did not say this. They talk about it after they like had a group conversation where they tossed out the idea of potentially throwing veto at some point in in this week. But it was never told to. Vanessa certainly not by Brooke that she should throw a veto but she hates broke and she wanted to stir the pot. I guess and so she's telling men that Brooke told me to throw the veto because she doesn't want you to win. Essentially by the way. That conversation wouldn't have even happened. Post veto picks. It would have happened before so it would have had nothing to do with min winning the veto. Vanessa's trying to link those two things. In order to make men feel uncomfortable and men's like wow. That was a really dumb move of Brook to tell you. She knows how close we are right. Vanessa's like yeah exactly. Just don't tell anyone that would be really bad for me if this came out that Brooke. She thinks she's so smart. She and she's mad about the fact that Sheldon broken well in the competition it was a floater competition. It wasn't meant for people like me. Big targets believe Brooke did so well. I know I hurt when I heard her say that she says it to kyle to like. Oh were we got our first. Because we're huge targets. Like no. They wanted you on. Saaf again because you are going to be weakened. You're not gonNA start in the House but I love that you think you are like. It's so interesting for me to understand. Vanessa I she's a puzzle I cannot figure out like she thinks she's working with men then she's not working with me and she's working with her or other. Lyon so then she's like talking Carol unlike where what are you doing? Where are you going with? All this and I started to like think. I'm understanding where she's going scheme. She's trying to do and she does something else. I'm like she's just like I said. At agent of chaos. I. It's. It's a pretty impressive feat. That just randomly starting a weird showman's with Chris of all gable is like one of the least confusing things. That player has done. Yeah and so interesting to watch her and again she's another person. I'm very curious goes and I think if if men as a leap leaving ever. She's going to be in berry big trouble because she's going to catch on. Plan very yeah. There's such a wide variety of play styles in this house. And I like the fact. That Sheldon and Vanessa are in the tightest and most powerful alliance in the house together is host range from. They all hate each other. But why are you working together? Now we're going to take a quick break for our sponsors and we'll be right back and we're back. Let's get back to the show so So after Vanessa tells men that broke told her to throw the veto then says men. Don't tell anyone men of course goes and tells Kira and Carol in the Pantry. What's his sketchy. Rick went up to Vanessa and told her to throw the competition. Don't say anything about it though. Yeah we need to stay quiet for long five minutes later. Carol goes to Sheldon and Brooke. You know what men just told us that. Apparently Vanessa was told by you. Brooke to throw the veto. And so she told men and men told me and so now. I'm telling you but don't go and confront anyone because I don't want anybody to know that I'm telling you this so don't go and confront men and Sheldon in Brooker like what shelves like. Did you even say something like that and Brooks No? I think that's just a complete lie. Men must be making this up. Men must just be like completely inventing this of whole cloth. Because I never even said that to Vanessa. So it couldn't have been Vanessa. They leaked the information. Because it wasn't even real information and who wouldn't just make something like that demand for no reason from so they're just confused then shortly after Carol leaves here comes up and he's like don't tell anyone but men just told me you told Vanessa that she should throw the veto competition and so this information went around real quick in a in a circle and so now. They're a little bit worried about that but they're still confused. They still think okay. This must've been being men for now. They're still thinking it's men's fault and so many taking all the heat for what Vanessa's doing but this is really bad for men because basically Sheldon's stance at the beginning of the week was I wanted to be read but if men act up maybe we'll need to back door men and the more they're hearing about men saying that saying that. Brooke Wants Vanessa to throw the veto throwing out the fake five alliance between them. Sue here in Jomar. All of which are Really Vanessa. But men is taking the heat for more. He's thinking maybe men really does need to go this week. Yeah I know I had a feeling from the very start when he said that because we all knew it was going to be acting up when she not acting up so bad that I was like. Oh No like min is in trouble. And she's kind of digging her own grave your but it also is Vanessa. It's totally Vanessa. Like doing all this stuff and just trust her because she is in alliance. But I don't know I think and then at when well yeah you're probably going to list. But when they have the they confront her like I think finally they're gonNA start to realize a little bit that she's maybe a bit sketch year then she comes off. Yeah it's interesting so sheldon is GonNa talk with Brooke and J. L. A. Bit they hang out there hanging a decent amount throughout the day. They eventually get around to face. Should we name to rename something like to make it happen and Sheldon who is just very anti naming alliances in general is like? I don't think so. But were solid like Shell and his like IF SHELDON NAMED EVERY ALLIANCE. That people asked him to name he'd have like fifteen named alliance right to keep them. Sorry Yeah I think that is why he's like. I know that I'm cool with you. I don't know which alliance we're in like. I have like four lines as few. I can't name them all and I don't want to mix up the names than have someone else thinking. Whatever so yes definitely. Can't name them because he just sent so many so so they're talking and then. J. L. Talks about like yes. Oh I heard that you told Vanessa throw the veto and at this point it's like a light bulb goes off and Sheldon's head and he gets up and walks out of the room and then should jails like two hundred. I say Sheldon makes a beeline straight for Vanessa. He gets her into the Pantry and he starts asking about like So I heard that that men is saying that you know Brooke tried to get you to throw the competition like men. Men is just being so all over. The place isn't and Vanessa is like. Oh yeah she must sh she over hears things all the time and so she must have overheard that conversation and Sheldon's like what conversation though Brooke didn't tell you to throw the veto right and she's like oh I thought did she not well. Okay so but I mean you know is this man and I suppose. That's that's men for you. Let's so So so crazy right guys and so what may maybe you should back. Actually she's really wild card right. So maybe maybe we really should be back during her is what should be happening here. I know I'm like okay. Hopefully he's finally starting to catch on sketching this because she's not really great at being confronted. She can lie in the moment when she thought out lie. But I don't think she's. GonNa I think on the spot and so yes. She was very awkward interaction. Yes and so shall actually. It's called to the diary room before he can do anything with this conversation. And in the meantime Kyle goes up to Brooke and says men mid needs to go. She she got Vanessa. I don't like I. It just clicked in my head that we're hearing about this. You telling Vanessa to throw the veto thing. She told men she leaked that information. Men got to her. She flipped her. We don't have Vanessa anymore. Like in Brooks like what? What do you mean we need to talk to Sheldon Sheldon finally gets out of the Dire Room? They pull him into the h they fill him in. He was like I just piece that together earlier. I just pulled her into the storage room and I was asking her about it and she was lying through her teeth to me I could. I could see she was lying like I don't understand what she's doing like. Wh What's the scenario? Is She stupid and I just don't know what is happening. Yeah again it's his logic is like I don't understand why she would lie for no reason. Because what's the game move in doing that? But we're all thinking that we're all like what it's doing. I know I was like this was shot and Freud to the extremely watching them struggle as like this. You're now experiencing my struggle for the last week. You now have to deal with it too exactly why nobody knows kyle is trying to talk her down all the time about Brooke Like she's constantly complaining about broke. She thinks that broke needs to apologize tour. She resents brook in her place in the alliance and they're like what's being bombs on them in their language this afternoon. So they think well it must just be Minh Minh must have just tricked her into revealing information used her. You know thing against Brooke to in her favour and SOC Shelton's like but what do we do in Kyle says? Here's a thought. What if we just replace Vanessa with jail just quick thought and Jones like we? Can't Vanessa will blow us up like we can't. We can't even cut her because she can blow the entire thing wide. Open the second. She thinks that we're not with her. She can just expose us and we're dead like what we do and I feel like they should've when they saw how quick Haya was to drop. Vanessa they should have been like a little bit of a Red Flag to then like oh he is really like ready to drop somebody in the lions just like that and replace them and so. I feel like that should have been a little something for them to know. I think I think they kind of know that about Kyle. I think they like it about Kyle because Sheldon in particular least because Sheldon is able to predict that. If Kyle ever finds a better situation he knows kyle will jumped ship but the point is that right now. They have the best situation so he's very reliable to sheldon in that sense. Yeah so I think that's why one of the reasons why Sheldon really liked working with Kylie's because again like similar to Sheldon himself. Kyle's a very logical player. And he's going to do what's best for him at all times. So as long as Sheldon's able to see all of the paths then he can predict exactly what was going to do. The problem is that Sheldon. Can't see all the paths. And most of them are branching from Vanessa. It's all stems back to Minnesota. Yeah so so sheldon's just like okay. What if what if we go and grab her right now? We sit her down. We ask her about it and we just kind of like what. It's okay we're still with you. We gotta take out men like just get her get her back on board in any way that we can and so they go they grab Vanessa. They ask her men has been going around saying. That broke. Told you to throw the veto and at this point Vanessa already had the conversation Sheldon so. She knows that she can't pretend the conversation did happens. He was like yeah but that conversation never happened right so clearly. She's making it up right. Okay but did you say anything like what? What was the conversation you had with Min and Vanessa's like I mean I? I didn't have any conversation with Mitt. I don't she's she's she's making it up guys like she's she's crazy. I didn't I didn't say thing to men not at all. I didn't say anything like that. And show okay. Okay what did you? What was a conversation you had with? I don't know I just don't like I just feel very interrogated right now this. I don't feel very comfortable. And they're like no no no. Don't feel unlucky phone. Don't feel uncomfortable dope. Blow US up interrogating you. We were just trying to figure it out. We're just working as a team trying to you. Know we need to figure out what we need to do to combat this so we need to know what exactly men knows. She's like no. I didn't say anything. Nothing and like okay okay. I'm feeling very grilled right now. We're not we're not. We're not growing or not growing you. It's okay we just need to figure out what's happening on us. We haven't been talking to you enough we we haven't been hanging out with you enough in and we don't want you to feel kind of them on the bottom. I kind of feel like we're GONNA fix that. We're GONNA THAT WE'RE GONNA WANNA make sure men can't You know get in your head and stuff. She's like. Yeah you know what that's that is. I I've been mentioned I've been meeting. That's the problem. Yeah I mean Sh. We need to which she needs to go like yes. We all agree min needs to go. You're you're with us. Nobody's being grilled. We're all we're all good the whole time though you can see like. They don't believe they don't believe her when she says she didn't say anything just like okay but they have to pretend that they believe her. And so at this point the feeds cut for the veto. And it's like Oh man what is happening. Yeah I feel like I said. She couldn't think of enough like lies on the spot so she was like. I need a switch. How I'm taking this conversation and I'm just going to be like you. Guys are taking your your. I feel tactic. I don't like this and like I I feel bad for me and so that was just her way of getting out of the conversation and I think they saw through that and they're like okay. You can't tell us anything you're just putting this back. I'm you like clear. Sketchy so feeds. Go down for the veto. Apparently during the feeds being down Sheldon did talk to Vanessa one on one and she was a little more open about admitting I may have said something to Min. She did but she she tricked me. And this this is the this the The danger in and talk about like forced confessions. And when you're asking somebody question and you feed them a narrative like and we saw this happened was soon Chris earlier when sewage trying to figure out who told you about this fake alliance. Who WAS IT? Who Was it? Who Was it he wants anything? Was it men? Yeah it was men. When they're asking Vanessa like what did you say what happened? Did men tricky into saying something? Yes that's exactly what happened and it confirms your initial suspicion which you're inclined to believe because it's what you thought and it makes them. It makes their life much much easier. Us She'd never suggest you're trying to get information from somebody never suggest an answer because it's the wrong answer they'll confirm and if it's the right answer deny so it's a bad move and they're giving mid way too much credit masterminding the house working all angles. It's like really she is. She's just causing chaos. Yes so down for the veto they come back. And we learned that Mattie Mattie jail seemingly jail put in a lot of the work matty has won. The power of veto will be taking herself off the block and the first thing we see as the feeds come back up is re in the have not room with Kyle. She's very upset she. I think maybe came very close to winning the veto. And it didn't happen and so she is she's she's also upset because she felt like she was playing strictly by the rules and some other people were not playing strictly by the rules. And so she's like upset to Kyle here and he is saying you know. I've I've just got a soft spot for you. I think I'm doing really well in this game and I just I just tell you too much because I like you so much and I just want you to know that there is a plan in the works I'm going to push them in narrative a lot. You know it's like ninety five percent right now but I'm going to work so hard to get to one hundred percent for you brie and so you but you can't put me on the block if you win next week. You can't do that. I'm working for you here. I don't know of course I wouldn't do that Kyle. And so from that happening speaking of giving some people too much credit kyle gives himself way to masterminding things. It's like please rate yeah In in the meantime broke is upstairs in the Hoa Trim which really I should. I should point out when she's not upstairs nature him more than she is. But she's upstairs megyn talking to sheldon very long conversation as they essentially are deciding who are we targeting because with Mattie coming off the block either we put somebody up on the block as a pawn to send rehome. Which was our original plan or we replace. Matti with somebody like men and we take a shot at men and Sheldon's dilemma here which is a genuine one very tough spot and I don't think there's an easy answer either way. But his dilemma here is if he puts up upon. They're mad at him. He's working with everybody else in the House. And so he can't reasonably put up anybody without betraying the fact that he's not really working with them and they're gonNA be pissed at him and that's bad and on top of that. He doesn't think he can count guaranteed votes to make sure that really is the one that goes home. We talked a lot. Yes last week about how Chris put up Michael. With upon and how it very well could have gone against Chris because he allowed the opportunity for there to be a referendum called on his H H and Sheldon. I think understandably doesn't want to allow that possibility to happen if he puts up. Somebody like Angie as upon his off Angie for the rest of the game. 'cause nobody's ever done her wrong yet. Other than men and Angie might go home you know he can count. Kyle hopefully NASA Brooke but other than like those three. He's not sure like where the guaranteed votes come in here had wanted to flip last week he does. He's always wanted to work with the victors. He can't count him as a solid vote. He never knows where drew Mars had is that he can't count him as a solid vote. Tomorrow also has a good relationship with them Then you've got people like men and Carol who also wanted to flip last time she's definitely GonNa vote with them. They just don't feel like they have the votes there and so he's really concerned about that. But Brooke is still just very concerned about re-. She had a gut feeling when she walked into the house. That was the one the person that was going to take her out of this house. It reminds me a lot of Tommy and and cliff when Tommy really felt like cliff was the guy that was going to get him out and you know. I I don't I do not understand. She's like I'm just really scared of re. I you know like yes men. If you put up the whole house will be happy. And they all want her out but you know re and just so scared of family. What are you scared of about? What is she doing stuff that? I'm just not aware of because I think she is the least in person in in this game right now. I'm so confused by that so I think that's true and later in this conversation when Kyle joins them Sheldon's GonNa say I do think he is very dangerous. But I think we're overestimating her maliciousness like I'm not sure she knows what she's doing and I think that's true however she is very dangerous in this game four specific reasons and these are the reasons that broke is correctly pointing out here that basically if restaged this week then you're leaving trio of re Mattie and J. L. and nobody's going for them next week right now you have hero. Jomar GOING AFTER KYLE. You have kyle going after here and so next week. It's going to be all like our allies attacking each other while those three. Sit Back and you just nominated two of them and what we're also going to see is is a beautiful example of why he is so dangerous following this conversation as we could we could. We could montage on the episode if they edited the episodes. Well a people going up to re now that Mattie has veto thinking now I can pull Rian. It's literally four separate people went to went to re- like hey. Here's what's going to happen now. You should work with us because they all feel like they have a good enough relationship with her to do that. And basically how? How how? It's going to work if min goes on the block and men goes home. Is that everybody in. The House is going to be courting the victors because the victors become the most valuable piece on the board. And it's a trio of people who are willing to move in a block and work with whoever can court them the best and they don't have to be doing anything and they will be around for a little while and so you know and a Brooke I think even even broke recognizes a little bit like. She's not really dangerous right now but she really will be like if she starts to play more intentionally. She could be very dangerous in this game. And I think that she's right about that. So there really is a back and forth sort of arguably what should they do because re is dangerous to them in the sense that if she stays that could lead to a really bad place in terms of where the houses and if she goes then how do they make that happen successfully? And how do they deal with the men and Vanessa Situation? Because that also plays a big role with men's Dylan the house and they feel like they can't trust Vanessa at all. They don't trust they. Don't trust me anyway. But with men in the house they feel like it's extra hard to trust her and they kind of feel like if they get out she might not really have anywhere else to go which is not the case but they believe that to be the case and that. I think is really helping tip the scales in favor for for Sheldon that maybe men needs to go. Yeah that no that is very fair I think but still having to put up somebody else as the target and make somebody upset like you said like either Angie. You're carol you're you're severing that relationship early on. I still just don't think that it's worth it because I do. I do see how she's dangerous but I don't think like you said she's dangerous enough yet where it's worth severing brand new relationship. Having put up upon and I think men right now is dangerous to point of starting drama starting chaos starting wise problems and she somebody that I think will continue that mantra so getting her out now I think is easier for them or better for them than re by it. But it is. It's GonNa be tough for. I don't know I think this is perfect because I do think it's a tough choice and I think that we disagree on the ultimate like what the correct decision might be the perfect example of like. What's going on what this conversation was? I feel like I was thinking about it. I feel like the danger of leaving. Those three in the house is just too big. Like if you think about it if men leaves this week then next week it's either kyle hero or Jomar then click. Who's left WHO's left to target for those three? Especially if you have Vanessa jumping ship. You Have Carol jumping ship like Sheldon and broke and Kyle or Sheldon broke Andrew Maher or sheldon broken hero. Whoever they become the biggest juiciest targets while the trio gets to be the ones that have been pulled in and have been out of the fray and I really feel like that's kind of a dangerous place to be for Sheldon and Brooke whereas I think that if you can find the right person you can kinda get away with this and I think the right person to pawn is Carol Carol on the block yes she will hate you for the rest of the game. She will make it her mission to get you out of the game. But it's Carol and she's probably not GonNa win much she does. She is accumulating more social capital in the house but if she's on the block next to re she will not be able to accumulate. The social capital read that she currently is which we'll talk about soon and so that will kind of hinder that and re will be gone and so she won't be able to pick up those remnants as well and so with regon then because if Carol's on the block she will stay she'll have Vanessa. She'll have men. Those people won't flip against Carol and you'll be able to get out of the House and moving forward. I think that they can be in an okay spot for the most part but it's still risky. It's risky either way. So that's that's how I feel but I think I just think that you make an perfectly compelling argument in the other direction as well. Yeah I mean you're you're given to me because men doesn't have any like solid people that trustor whereas those three are going to be like a close tree of since the start so that is sure she doesn't really have have anyone she's not alone. She's like causing lies in stirring up drama. It's not really totally affecting them. Because nobody really believe Sir lies even even if they're not even her lies someone else's life so I guess she's not as dangerous in the sense of like getting taking them out. It is a tricky one and so does join them and they talk about this and they do come up with a good plan for how to deal with this right. Brooke and Sheldon are getting really close with J. L. If they can use their connection with jail to win Mattie and re over by going to re and going like hey. We're doing you a favor. We're GONNA put a Man. We don't want you to go home. Get some promises of safety from them. A hopefully that means that they won't go after them. Maybe they can be the ones to court. These three Kyle does say. I think that re will go after you and we learn later that that's a little bit due to Kyle. But that's what he thinks so. It's probably actually not reality. But that's what he thinks and so the idea is if we take out men maybe we can be the ones to ruin the three and then we can make something work here where they still go after Kris instead of instead of sheldon or kyle in something can work out in there. And I think that they're I think they're right. I think it's a good plan. I really do. My doubt for the plan is that I don't know if they have the skill to pull it off. I don't know if they have the social and sort of just like social ability and the emotional acumen to like actually be the ones to court these three. I think that Sheldon and broke do have Have made a lot of inroad with inroads with with J. L. and I think that will do a lot for them but I think they're underestimating the amount of work that the rest of the house is putting in with ry and Mattie and and I don't think in a battle of social influence. I'm not sure that Sheldon and Brooke will win Because it's not really their strong suit so I think that coming up with a plan that relies on that is kinda risky not to mention sheldon. Just put them to of land up on black so for him to now come say I want to work. You guys like I can see them in the short term. Because he's agent power being like. Oh he has this power maybe would be good someone good to work with. But I feel like that is kind of like a bridge of trust there or a wedge in that trust because he just put them up so why are they gonna WanNa work with him when they can work with somebody like Jomar or Su? Who hasn't betrayed them yet? And then like I think the other part for Sheldon is that he is very confident that him and his allies can win competitions regularly and he is he is felt this way from the from night one of the feats he has always talked about like he really feels like himself Kyle You know Chris to some degree especially now these pulling in j. l. he's got Brooke. He's got Vanessa like he's got a lot of the biggest and strongest competitors on his side and as long as they win then it's fine they can. They can correct this if the choice skews them off in one direction or another they can correct course as long as they win the next one as long as they win and he really feels like they can't the worst case. Scenario is what re winds h wait? She's got a one and thirteen shot. I really feel like we can we? Can we could go. We could go outside Thursday night and immediately just feel like she has no chance to win this competition. We're immediately comfortable. And this is weird to see You know normally we see people like overconfident competitions but I think the thing here is that lately. We have seen competitions on big brother candidate especially that are significantly more winnable than than in the past. Less crapshoot competitions less mental competitions in general a lot more physical things a lot more skill oriented things and if that continues to be the case this season because what we saw last season was the pretty boys one like ninety percent of the. H is if that is the case with this season and that's probably what what Sheldon is talking about. Then he's he's he might be right But at the same time you can't really rely on that. What if he's wrong right? Yeah I think it's such a stupid way to play. The came to rely on winning all the time. Like I feel like that's your last case scenario strategy. When you're on the bottom you like all right. I just have to win every single competition like or I'm going home. Is You when you're when you're in control of the house and you have all these licenses? You should be working on like forming relationships or thinking about ways to win without having to rely on those competitions and then if you win the competition it's like a plus like oh good. I am in control again this week but you shouldn't be like well whatever we're going to win so it doesn't really matter. We don't really need to be that. Close three your lever. Because we're just GONNA keep winning. Yeah and I think for me. The most frustrating thing is that somebody like Sheldon who's a very cerebral player can make this argument and he's not completely wrong. That's what I'm most annoyed about. Because of like the structure of how they've set up the competitions lately like there's actual reason for him to say this in the past and big brother. Us especially when like these big guys would be like. We're just GONNA win everything. We laugh at them like this. That's so ridiculous. Wait till you get humbled and like I think there's still some of that for sure but there's also part of me now that's like he might be right though like he might him and his allies might win. Ninety percent of the we just saw. That happened that an actual possibility. I hope I hope it doesn't go that way though. And he does have a like he has tile. Who's this huge guy? We like good physically and Brooke? Who's smarter and read all the time? has a great memory so he has different people that can win different competitions. So it's a possible strategy but I don't think it should be his first pick so they they conclude eventually that men really should be the one to go. They think that if in goes that Vanessa will be back with them. At least to some extent and Brooke eventually gives in she says okay I can. I can agree with this plan. Vanessa then comes in and she's like I'm so excited we're going to back door men right like men's going. What a what a monster she was like. She's just like like. She found her scapegoat. And who's been taking all the heat for her and now she's took this big shot and now it's like yes she's she's got. I hate her right. We hit men. She tricked me and now that she's gone it's GonNa be okay. Don't make dopey mad anymore. Yeah she's like okay. Many slave ACE APPS so that. I could keep up with all the lies that I had. And she's not gonNA blow up my game like she's like she needs to get out of immediately so I can have like all my previous. Life can be blamed on her. I won't get caught but she's not thinking about in the future she's not gonNa have that anymore so let's needs to switch up per game a little bit. Yes so kyle talks with Vanessa. One on one. And he tells her that he's spoke. He spoke with three and told her that he saving her by pushing. Shell into this min plan and that he hopes that if re wins she won't go after him or Vanessa and kind of it kind of pointed her in the direction of Sheldon and Brooke instead and so he feels like if ruins. She'll go after Sheldon and Brooke and not tile and Vanessa. So he should be all set in that regard and that's how he feels and again. This is Kyle of course working in his own interest and Sheldon is aware that re would probably go after him or brook. At least. That's what Kyle things. I don't really know what we would do yet. Because she hasn't really needed to say anything because people just keep going to her and giving her a ton of information and she doesn't give anything back yet so we'll have to wait and see about me. It's amazing to me. That kyle is still so loyal to Vanessa like Vanessa is. She talked so I just can't believe that hasn't gotten back to him yet that she hates him or acts like she hates him. Too half outs. Yeah I I think that Kyle. He had that initial reaction which was first. He like just sat by himself for thirty minutes to cool down then he went to tell Brooke about it and then he was like we need to replace her but I think that right now he feels like okay. The core of this is that she hates Brooke. If I can tell her that I'm trying to separate us from Brooke and getting people to Target Brook. Then she'll be okay with me and if men is leaving than men's influence will be gone and then I'll be able to actually have Vanessa and of course he's wrong about this but I think that's where his head is that and I think that's why he said to her that he was pointing re at sheldon and Brooke. I never actually heard that in his conversation with re it might have happened before the feeds came on in that conversation. But it's actually not really in his best interest for her to target both Sheldon and Brooke and not Chris at all so I. I do wonder how truthful he was here in this conversation with Vanessa in regards to Brooke now that he knows just how much she hates Brooke. Yeah so Sheldon's GonNa fill in Sioux on the plan for men. She's down she's been down for a while to get rid of men. Last week. She Sang. She wanted men. Gone this week really. The only person that really wanted on this week was sue and she didn't have to do anything to make good on sue. I guess she she's also. I wish she has been you know. Unfortunately called out by many allies. She's losing people left and right at least man is going up. So she's down for it she. She is jealous of early tomorrow. And so in being on his good pursue kyle talks with Carol in Kyle continues to be a little bit of like all right. I'M GONNA make sure I get my pieces on board. He goes to Carol and he says. Look so what we're doing here is that means. Go Up on the block and we're going to send him in home and I just want to give you a heads up. I'm sure Sheldon will tell you later. I just want you to know that like any information I I always tell you carol. You're you're somebody that I really like to tell information to and I want you to know that like it is awkward as as a making it out to be as transparent as a making it bigger. And so that's what we're GONNA do and we're just GONNA keep it amongst ourselves. Vanessa knows that you can talk to her about it but nobody else just wanted to give you the heads up because I really respect you as a player. And she's like Oh. This is so exciting. Men's going to go up on the block. Is it going to be a blindside? And he's like I don't think so. I think that Shell said he wanted to talk to her ahead of time and she was like Abu Blended we TV. I read before I came onto the season that it might be better for your game sometimes to tell people ahead of a blindside but the production and so you got to think about the TV potential. And I was tweeting about this and I hadn't caught caught onto this but I was told that she this is not the first time she was quoted something from what appears to be then. Kiessling book She made she might have been reading. These liens book before entering the House. And she's been she's quoted a few times hasn't said where she got it from but but people have kind of caught on. This is probably where it's coming from Dan. Veasley doing the Lord's work here in the other house former encouraging blindsides for players as before they go into the House I was GonNa say I was very surprised that she said that or that. She cared enough to say like this. The audience would like this is. What's entertaining? I was surprised. She said that but it does make sense that maybe she was doing some studying before getting in the house. Yeah and Carol. By the way is on an entirely new level like reminds me a little bit of like Christmas. You know in early two hippies like she is like she has found a new source of energy in the House. She is nowhere like the Carol that almost quit the game. A week ago seems to have completely evaporated which does not mean that. It won't get back to that place but she is now really excited about like she's the most excitable player in the house right now and I. I don't know where that's coming from. I don't know if that was part of a deal to. I don't know what's going on with Carol but sh- I guess maybe being back in Ketosis I don't I don't know what it is. But she's she's found a lot of energy I think it's because when she laughed when she threatened to leave her once leave. Everybody gave for all this attention and now she feels like she's friends with everybody and she feels like she has a more stable place in the position in the house and everyone's coming to her like house talking her and so I think she's like feels way more comfortable but I am curious to see what happened next time her back against the wall next time she feels like she's being targeted how she will handle it. Yes and so after Kyle tells Carol Plan Carol goes to re and she says okay. Don't tell anyone but here's what's happening. Here is going to be the back door targets so dont onto anything but look you know I was with you guys? I was willing to vote for Michael Day last week. You know that I just got caught and I was really worried that there's going to be a rogue vote and I was Gonna get blamed for it but you know that was with you I do. I do know that you're with us like you. Were the one person who is with us that whole time. And she says like. I really want to make something work with you can pull in. Vanessa and RESI- CANESSA. No no I'm telling you she is not with Kyle. She tells me all the time she's not with Kyle. She's trying to distance herself. I promise you we can make something work here. And so they're talking through that re then asks okay. So what was the original target this week and carols like yes you were the original target but now it's moving on. Torri is good reasons men and raise like okay good. I need to know like how much I need to promise. Shell in the conversation like do. I need to promise him that I won't ever go after him or whatever or is he going to do this anyway and I don't need to make those promises right and so you can see like has the seeds of dangerous player. I thought it was really smart. Asked pat and to try to determine this and so carol tells her yeah. You were the original target. But now it's men and issues talks to her she the Carols GonNa later talked to Matty and what Carol is trying to do is set up. Four Person Alliance between herself Vanessa and Mattie and she's calling it the pretty boys but with girls. No I'm like this is an interesting class of girls and the fact that they wanna be the pretty boys but they're not playing out all the pretty boy so they're just kind of taking their name and I thought it was so weird. I was like interesting. Yeah so So this is something that's coming together here and you know we'll we'll see where this goes. I do think that Carol is probably one of the people that really trust the most of the people that came to to re about plans and it did seem like the conversation with Mattie went pretty well So this could turn into something but the problem is it includes Vanessa. So that that's what I was. GonNa say to you like those three. I could see definitely doing something. And maybe it's like J. L. A. Carol could take over where Mike was but anything that involves an ESA. You just can't trust is GONNA be okay. So Vanessa in the meantime is going to go to Chris and this is what I'm talking about. Like the house is just shifted. Every single person is trying to be the person. And that's what's making this house so crazy. So Vanessa's talking to Chris. Reiterates Chris we need to be worried about that? Five-person Things Sheldon Brooke. Sue here. Jomar now you can see. They're also pulling in jail like now. It's a six person thing. We really need to be worried about that. And Chris you're right. That's six people. That's a lot of numbers. We'll have numbers we need to get numbers. Vanessa. Who Do we have his numbers? You Me Carol Angie. That's four we need somebody else. I hate to say. Do we need Kyle. We Need Kyle is our fifth. We need five at least right like maybe we need Kyle. And he's like. How did this come full circle to where Vanessa is now bringing kyle in on her side alliance that was designed to take out? Kyle Kyle gets lucky a lot. Like he wrote his where. Why even Pick Kyle? There's so many people in the house to one about Jomar. I don't I just don't Kyle gets lucky truly and so they talk about Chris says we got. We got to take out next week. He's he's the dangerous one. He's too close to shell. He's he will come after us if we take him out. We weaken that group. He's too close to sue as well. I talked to suit today and I talked. I talked to sue today and I could tell that she was sketched out right and so we need to get rid of Jomar so that so that suit doesn't have those options anymore and so we gotta take a shot at Jamaa and Vanessa's like and also Brooke. She's really she's really sketchy dangerous. Okay Yeah Brooke too. But Jomar Dhamar and Brooke Jamaican broker. Our targets is so good at targeting people that she's working with or yeah we hold onto your talking about somebody who's not aligned with John. I'm sorry Chris I'm not aligned with Tamar. I only target allies yes. Let's move onto Brooke. Actually Yeah Halbrook there. That's that's what's going on there. And so they go and talk to Kyle. This was not on the feeds though. I don't know what that conversation consisted of. But then Chris then they go and Grab Sheldon Vanessa leaves and Chris Kyle and Sheldon have a conversation and I think this went really well for Sheldon because again we know from Chris Perspective that he likes Sheldon a law and wants to work with him. But the only problem is that Vanessa is in his ear about Sheldon's alliance with hero and Jimmy Maher and them and so he's worried about that. And so they Chris Kyle and Sheldon talk about the plan for next week and they talk the Chris Brings Up. So how do you feel about Jim? Warren here and Shelton's like look I can't be the one to take the shot at them but if you to win and take the shot at them for me? That would be perfect. I would love that if you if you put Jomar and here on the block that would be wonderful and you can see increases is is like yes like that was his one concern was pissing on. Sheldon by GOING AFTER GIA. Marin here and now he's like yes like Sheldon's with us like we can do that. We can take these people out and it won't bother sheldon that's perfect and so. Chris is really excited and Jones. I am seriously it's just like when you put up broken. I was like that's okay because I'm close to Brooke but that was fine. I don't I don't care I'm with you guys. That's been my thing. I'm sorry if we don't check because I am an introvert but as far as I'm concerned I've been with since the start. We're going to do what they did. Last season but better everyone wants to be the voice. I was GONNA say another preview. Shout out 'cause he's like I saw what those guys did last season. We're going to do that better. I'm like okay. Well everybody wants to be the Pretty Boys. But nobody's really pretty voice because they this isn't even really a thing. Oh you're again where Chris is Christmas really thinking this is a thing and he's all excited and he's like boys and Sheldon in Cairo. Like yeah sure. I'll be talking with Anthony. Douglas Tonight Good time I guess to bring on a pretty on podcast. So we'll get his thoughts on all of this but but yeah so. That's what happens there with Chris Kyle and Sheldon then. Jomar is going to then go approach. And he's like okay re don't tell you what I'm telling you this but I think that there's a plan in the works. We just need to you need to go to shell. You need to tell him that you're good with him and you know that you won't. You'RE NOT GONNA put him up or anything because we really got to try to get somebody else on the block is like. I'm I'm telling you there could be a montage of people going up to re saying the exact same thing to her thinking that they're the ones pulling her in and they're the ones convince our that they're the ones who are convincing sheldon to make some other plan happen and so he's like who would you prefer or Chris and she says I would prefer Chris to be honest. It's like okay go after Kris. Then he's like okay so you're you're going to do that that's happening. I know that was fun to watch. Because d'Ivoire is so thinks that he's rightfully thinks that he's sheldon right hand guy so he's like talking to re like. Oh you know I can kind of get. What every media done and he's like whispering near her and feels like he's he's running the show of behind the scenes sheldon him when really sheldon kind of wants him out next week so it was funny to see that he he really end. There's already a plan and he doesn't even know someone like Oh Tamar I like. I really want to know like what really thinking as person after person come up to her being like Sheldon to do this for you. I know she actually. She's playing that off really well. She does every time they bring that. Oklahoma Okay Yeah. She plays dumb. She's very good socially she's able to play dumb every single time which is not something that a lot of people are capable of doing. Usually once they know information and they're told information they're like. Oh Yeah but she's like Oh really oh thank you so much. It's pretty good like at this point when she was talking she already knows that. It's men right. That's replacement doesn't say anything. So that's that is good that she's able to hide that because a lot of people would have already believed about it. And Jemaah would freak out Lucy's my because seen so she's at keeping things quiet so I'm kind of an overlooking her but I need to pay attention. Carol is going to go and talk with Vanessa that she says I know means going up. I've talked with talked with. Mattie they both WanNa make a four with us and Vanessa what they wanna make with with me. I convinced them that you're not with Kyle. So we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA make the pretty boys but with girls and Vanessa's like Ria so close to Kyle and Carol says no no. She's only been pretending to be close with with Kyle. She's not actually with this. Carol has to convince both Vanessa and that neither one of them is actually kyle and he's only been pretending ever since he did that thing to Michael that he has been off of the Kyle train. So we're going to make this happen. Yeah and they're both thrilled like they were so excited about it. I did not. I did not think Vanessa was going to be as intuitive as she was because she already in this strong alliance and I she was. They both teams thrilled. So I was like Yeah and again like I really feel like the next stage of the game. If this men backdoor plan goes through is going to be who is able to win over the victors. And I think the Carol in Vanessa Somehow might actually be in the lead and that puts them in a position of power but again the problem is that Vanessa is there and I don't know what that means for them so it's very very you know it. I really thought things were going to solidify this week. But they've just gotten even more fluid than they were before. I know I'm kind of thinking and hoping happens is because I know Jay Alan Jara have been getting close and I feel like the two girls trust jail more than they trust these girls. So maybe Jay Alan jean-marc kind of get close with sue and then pulling those other two girls and have like a really strong trustworthy dynamex. Nobody really trust anybody. Everyone has their one or two people they trust but no alliance is solid enough entrusting enough yet. They we need one solid strong one. Yeah I mean I think I think Carol is sort of winning with Rian Mattie the most but I think that sheldon and Brooke are winning the most with jail and so I don't know where that goes because jail is also as you said connected to Jomar and hero and I don't think he sees the conflict in that quite yet but but I do think he's more more into Sheldon broke than he is. Marin here right now and that's GONNA be based on a conversation that we're going to get to right now so sheldon sorry jails talking to Sheldon. And he says he's Kinda glad that the veto was pairs because he probably would have won on his own if not and if he had one on his own then he would have had to either use the veto and save one of the girls and then be like forever connected to them or not use it and like piss them off and being a bad spot so he kind of like he won and doesn't have to deal with vacation so that was a good thing for him and so but then he also he's like okay so alright. Alright Shell is. Kyle untouchable like what what's going on with Kyle Man and Sheldon says. It's not that he's untouchable. He's like this Big Guy. And he you know if kyle leaves then like who's next right like I don't have any shield in front of me anymore like so many people are willing to take the shot at Kyle like. Why am I going to do that? Work and then be the target afterward like it just doesn't make sense to for me. That's exactly what I thought. Man Like an okay. So don't tell anybody this but kyle's actually been coming to me and trying to have talks and stuff we call it like building trust talks and so I think that I can be cooler there man and I. I don't think we can work something out. And so this is why I really feel like Sheldon and Brooke are kind of winning the fight here. Jail has not told anybody else about the kyle stuff to the same degree that he is Sheldon and Kyle Challenges Sheldon and Brooke and so. I think that they're really making some good inroads here. They're telling him things that they're hoping will we'll get back to and Mattie and so they're they're they're banking on like jail helping them out with ry and Mattie at at some point like when they're talking about kyle the hero just kind of comes into the Hoa Trim and holds. The conversation just sits down and then they both both jail and here. Aleve and shows like I hate this. I hate this. He has so much trouble dealing with like people when he doesn't want them to be there but then jail comes back in. They finished the conversation. They both agree that Chris is the person they would send home before. Kyle the Christmas kind of the more pressing person which is exactly what they. What Sheldon wants Chris there to be and so this is promising broken shell and if they really do have j. l. like this that's that's that that can make their plan work if it works out in the way that they want. But they don't see what's happening with Caroline Vanessa which could really be thorn in their side. They also don't see what's happening with Chris and Vanessa which could also be a big thorn in their side. So there's still quite a lot that's going around here. Yeah I'm curious to see where J. L. Goes from here because I wonder if he I don't I don't know his dynamic enough was sheldon but sheldon's empower right now so everybody's kind of coming to him when he's not empowered. Whoever is in power next week in like you said they're going to really be going after jail in the two girls. Will he stay on board with them or will you move to? Who's next in our. I'm curious to see how that goes. Yeah so then a couple of brief things before we close out the day Sheldon Brooke Suj- Amar and here. I had a brief conversation where they talked about men and how she somehow named all five of them like. How did she get that information? I'm just waiting for it to click in Brooklyn Sheldon's mind like men named all of us. Vanessa told me about Brooke wanting her to throw the veto. I wonder Vanessa is the one that outed all five of us. Could this problem be even worse than we thought? But they haven't seemingly having really put that together yet or if they have. They don't seem to mind because they think it's isolated to men but that happens and then broke late at night is going to talk to the cameras. Says I can't believe I'm working with the Alpha males. I'm so annoyed that this is happening. I came in. I thought I was going to not work with the Alpha males but trying to be adaptable and she says again the same thing that she said on the first night of feeds I recognize. Shell is the best player in the house right now and I am not going to be able to beat them in the end so I'm going to have to start thinking about like how do I get out from under that at some point late in the game So she's she's not forgotten but it's still so early. East players are playing so fast and they're trying to get all their allies out like Shelton's yeah to to Chris. He's like yeah. You can take out tomorrow. I just can't take a smile. That's something you do like or weeks from now. Jamar is a solid number for you. He will writer die for you. Why are you trying to take him out? This early. Like everybody just play so fast. Yeah and they're all trying to be the pretty boys only things that pretty boys did. So well is that. They convinced their allies to not target any members of the pretty boys target the allies of the pretty boys so like instead of going after. Kyle and Kyle going after tomorrow and here they would have had Jumar and here are going after Kris and and that was the intention but they H- but Sheldon hasn't been able to appeal to them emotional level to get that to happen and so now it's become this big mess. And then you have Vanessa involved which makes it even harder and so it's all over the place which I guess is good for us. It is it is so entertaining and I love it but game is is just like I don't know you can take a step back and I think broken sheldon were kind of chilling and they were forced into this position when he got h. They were kind of taking a backseat. Forbid I mean obviously broke was on the block. I feel like they weren't overplaying and now like they forced overplay and then they get things in their head and they started to get paranoid and they're like all just try to target each other and I'm like you don't have to do that yet. I felt they were underplaying last week and this week. It seemed like they had a good plan but the second something went wrong. Meaning Mattie one veto now it's like well crap this is not a lot of room to maneuver here because they don't really have the social emotional capabilities to expand their reach beyond the logical path that they're following. So that's that's where we have free today. This was definitely along like I said there was a lot that happened yesterday. The entire nature of the game has been shifted in multiple different directions. There were confrontations Vetoes Targets Sheldon Promised Two min earlier in the day that he would not back door her then later in the day when she asked he was like. I mean I meant it when I said it which you took to mean that she was still good so she still feels okay but the that we're definitely in for some more chaos in in the short term because after the veto ceremony men is going to be very upset. Sheldon might talk them in before the veto ceremonies. We might see some craziness happen there. I was thinking about what might happen when men finds out and I realize man has a ton of dirt on Vanessa. Vanessa told her she can out if she if she thinks to do it and if she does that could actually change Sheldon's plans because it will show him some more of what's happening in the house which might make him realize that this maybe not the best move for him so in. This woman thinks that could actually help her and really again shake things up. So there's quite a lot yet to happen and this is this week is crazier than last week. And I'm so excited to see where these next few days how they play out all right. Well thank you so much for coming on. Just you're you're great. You're heading me. It was still fun are where can people find you if they want to find you on. Social Media. Oh I think I think it's just underscore yeager for both instagram and twitter. There you go. 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Child Killer, Chapter 5 - North Fox Island

Shattered: White Boy Rick

37:26 min | 2 years ago

Child Killer, Chapter 5 - North Fox Island

"This episode contains strong, language and disturbing content. Listener discretion is advised. I know there's questions about whether the four children that were killed in Oakland County that we know of did some of that happened on north north FOX island, FOX island. The whole thing was a big trigger to make me talk north FOX island. It's. It's been it's been hidden buried Norfolk's island. I hear that name, and it gives me shivers. We're always gonna ask the question as okay, how much does this is folklore in how much of this is actual truth? This is Oakland County chief assistant prosecutor palm. Whether it's a lead or a rabbit hole right now. I don't know. Welcome back to shatter. December twenty eighth nineteen seventy five Detroit Free Press writer, Jim new Baca rights feature titled north FOX one man's rare dot on the universe. It's a three page spread on the headline page or two large photos. One is the island and spreads across the length of the paper in black and white and just below the photo man walking on a beach, the titular man, whose rare doubt on the universe is north lochs island. His name is Francis. Sheldon, although back, then he was better known as Frank at the time of the article Sheldon's forty seven years old and the photo of Sheldon, the paper he's walking towards the camera and the distance you can see waves breaking on the shoreline treeline ending at the sand in the distance Sheldon his unbuttoned jacket, lanell shirt underneath his hands are tucked into his pockets. He's wearing a hat, which looks to be covering a bald head. He's looking back at the camera through his thick rimmed glasses with a smile on his face. The caption below the photo of the island describes it. Like this says it spread in the midst of Lake Michigan like a giant Manta Ray sunning itself, which gives you a pretty good idea of the island shape. Just in case you decide to Google north FOX search will likely take you to its bigger brother sell FOX island north FOX's about four miles northeast. The article described Sheldon as a rich bachelor flies his own plane. Invest in the market that was an oil and studies geology. He came from a strong Detroit area. Family is great. Grandfather was governor. To be a Senator who served as the secretary of war for the McKinley administration. Keenan trait news writer and author of the snow killings. A book all about the Oakland County child killer. He's the reason we have the warm memorial and his father Francis. Sheldon's? Father was a real estate developer who built Rosedale park and Grosse Pointe farms. The Sheldon name men something. In fact, the Sheldon goes back nearly one hundred seventy years in the Detroit area is earliest ancestors made a fortune in dry goods and would marry with the elder family. Another well-to-do group. They were well known because Russell elder was an army hero and later found. Edison, electric light company. Frank's mother came from the Duffield's, which is another famous Detroit family, the Sheldon's would eventually invest their money into land and land development. The wealth would only grow. Then went to Cranbrook schools Cranbrook is one of metro-detroit premier learning facilities Sheldon thrived in school, and he would get his be from Yale. He served in the Michigan era guard, he backpacked skied. He would say this about himself quote, ever since I was a little boy, I've been an outdoors type of person and quote Sheldon bought north FOX island in nineteen sixty for twenty three dollars per acre which rounded out to about twenty thousand dollars. Have you always been a meticulous record keeper? Stack's home. Kathy Firestone is a historian of northern Michigan and an author. She knows more about north lochs island than most in nineteen Ninety-six. She published the FOX islands north and south. Not long ago, we met at the grand traverse lighthouse that the tip of the leaving open in slow to visualize where we're at. If you take your right hand side facing you give your fingers together your thumb out. You basically have a map of Michigan now at the very tip of your ring finger is Kathy. And I are sitting it's about twenty miles away from north box. Introduced dear to the island wanted to have a resort for people who had their own small aircraft. And he had an airfield built over there had a docking area built and constructed three or four buildings. I remember when they called the deer in there. From see can't remember, our they well, they hauled him into FOX island in went to salt, FOX island. This is Joan Celtic ten Broeke. She runs Cal excavating, which is a company located on the and open and Sula back in the sixties and seventies. Her father-in-law ran the company she remembers their crew doing quite a bit of work for Sheldon. He's very nice very pleasant. The Celtic excavating workers spent a lot of time out there Joan would be on a boat with Frank and others for hours at a time. They built a dock area and cabins on the island for Frank seem very nice, very nice person. Well-brought-up? I was impressed with them kind of been all. Well, you know, we'd love up here. We're not used to city people with money. Sheldon made a lot of friends in the area people from downstate flocked areas. Traverse city Charlevoix Petoskey Leland Sheldon fly himself from Detroit to Charlevoix and then from Charlevoix to north FOX island. But before he can do any of that you had to have the Cal excavating company. Create a landing strip seems to me it was like two or three summers by the fine. Fine. Got it done. Can you tell me what had to be done? Well, they had cut all the trees, and then stump it, all and then level. And that is not an easy process. No, no. And they all all liquid on barges. In pay for all this. Yes. For shell them. This changed everything instead of hours on a boat. He could just fly to the island and under twenty minutes, and he would take his friends out there to fish camp and hunt. Really what he bought it for an installed the land strip for was to run a child pornography operation there, and he had a private jet. He'd fly kids from Charlotte boy to the island and cata filming operation there and had. Horrible horrible things. I didn't really know about it at the time that it was happening Firestone. I was writing my book about adding north FOX to my original manuscript that was south fuck silent. And during that time Sheldon fences Sheldon was charged with crimes about involving child pornography. Ring. Appeared to have a squeaky clean reputation as a businessman in philanthropy st-, he boasted to the free press that he volunteered. His time to the big brother program where he meant toward kids family had a lumber business self-exiled in the nineteen fifties and sixties and Frank Sheldon came over there one day, and he was talking in the cookhouse about his mother brother Paul's mission and. My family members were quite impressed that he would want to do something like that for children. Brother. Polls was a summer camp for boys. Sheldon created it on the island. The police would later find out his generosity, masking his true intentions. Frank Sheldon would be proven to be a child pornographer and pedophile is island a venue for his crimes against children his involvement in these activities in the state of Michigan went on into nineteen Seventy-six which overlap with some of the child killings happening in Oakland County Sheldon's seem to be a big player in the seedy underworld. He had the money in maneuverability to be allusive and destructive Mark stebbins was sexually assaulted as was TIMMY king, although TIMMY was abducted after Sheldon's activities stopped in Michigan. But because of Sheldon stature and connections to the others, and the pedophilia community, it made sense to think that the people he knew or even he himself could be involved in these abductions, or at the very least you might have known. About them. We were the first to look at pornography and pornography rings in pedophilia as being a motive in this case, Wayne County detective Corey Williams. So we put quite a bit of time and effort into that where these kids films pictures taken where they passed around and. We don't know at this point. But we did put a lot of time and effort into that. You would do that meets sense that those people could contentiously tied into sure. Yeah. I mean, it's normal procedure for pedophile to wanna have trophies or photos or films of kids and that they could share with each other especially back in the seventies. Retired first tenant with Michigan state police Michael mois, there is a theory that the pedophile community may have. Someone in that committed these murders. We don't know because we don't know who was committing the murders. It's a logic. Logic jump from that community to what was taking place, especially with the males being sexually assaulted. But how does a wealthy businessman meet boys and befriend them enough to get alone time with them Sheldon had figured out a couple of ways to do this. Besides simply volunteering for the big brother program one. He started brother Paul's nature camp for boys, which operated on north FOX island and to made friends with people who had direct access to children. We just the information about him through the schoolteacher that was arrested by the detective sergeant say Claire he would fly. Friends and males that were interested in interacting to his property on north FOX island. Schoolteacher named Gerald Richards would be the go between for Francis, Sheldon. And a group of kids Gerald or Gerry was a gym teacher at Saint Jo's Catholic school import here in Michigan. That's in the east side of the state just across the Saint Clair river from Canada Richards, had a lot going on in his life. A husband a new father Jim teacher masseuse magician. In fact, the set of his Pinto's painted with the words, Jerry the magician on it. You also worked at an adult bookstore and actually ran for county. Commissioner once Mr. Rick. Yep. We was a little bit about him. Well, this is Mike Dunsmore grew up in port here on went to Saint Joe's Catholic school. Gerald Richards was gym teacher. I don't remember the name of the the gym instructor before him. But he was a really good guy. I mean, he was I remember he was real athletic muscular, and we love dodgeball. So that was his thing play, dodgeball stuff. But from what I understood is. He took a job as a. A baseball coach or something like that. And he left, and that's when Mr. Richards came in. It was really weird when he first got there. Everything started to change right away. We had we had all of a sudden start taking showers, and we'd never showered before ever and his excuse was you guys can't be will make class stink and whatever so they had to start bringing towels. We had showers, so but. And he was just. As far as a gym teacher. He just seemed off. He was real ranking really the guy didn't look like he could have fought his way out of a wet paper bag. It was is a kid. You don't go. Well, what the heck is this guy doing as Jim teaches at? Well. This is our new guy you need to respect that. And it is what it is. But he just wasn't. He was it was night and day compared to the other gyms destructive. Were you a front of the class kid or back of the class kid absolutely the front? This is Bill Johnson. Ye and Mike Dunsmore were classmates and friends at Saint Jo's. I mean, we always ate our lunch in that class and the classroom. The none would go up to the kind which is just a Jason to the school and the other side of the parking lot. And after lunch I would get up, and I would do my comedy routine every day until I got caught and then that stopped. I was a front of the front of the classroom in the class in the back of the bus kind of guy, you know, always a character. But you know, when your initial impression though before you had the chance to look back, minus of Richards. Regular guy. He intrigued me with magic. He was a magician if we're wear so. Komo show magic trick. So that was, you know, ten eleven years old, whatever that was really cool. So I thought that was cool. So I think that was his his way of gaining trust from me and some of the other boys the kids found out quickly that things were going to be different from now on. Yeah. He would do the padding on the ass the gym teacher ever had that would be in the shower in the locker room, we were taking showers like Mike wasn't on the basketball team. So he wouldn't even come in during the basketball showers. And it just thought it was, but at eleven years old to Catholic school, you felt protected and and I did, and I guess I sort of dismissed it as oh, I guess, it's the weight. That's just the way it is not knowing that, you know, Camille show, this magic trick kind of thing, you know, K distrust, and I and I liked him. Yeah. Mr. Richards knew how to connect with the students these kids didn't have a reason not to trust him. He was never really aggressive in any way. You know, you need. Buckled down. And he was just he was Passover. I guess would be the word. Just pretty much anything. You did was. Okay. But you just. Followed the third fig. During the end of the school year Richards, went to a handful of students told them they had done so well in his class, they were gonna get a trip to north FOX island. From what I understood he went to. Couple of the other boys and myself parents and said these guys did an exceptional job this year in gym class and has a reward we'd like to take them up to the island. I remember. It was it was brought to my tens by by Jerry Richards. I. And head papers. The permission slips and whatever. And I remember my mom had come to the school. She met him. No big deal. He talked about Mr. Sheldon wealthy, man. Anybody from that area? New you know, he was very prominent wealthy come from wealthy families. So on. Everything just seemed legit. But that's what it basically it was it was because we we did such an excellent job when we were so. Well, mannered that that was kind of a reward for us to go up to the island. But I know we went to Sinclar county airport all the family showed up parents and the kids. They got there and met ankle Frank. That's offering Sheldon was introduced to the kids and families uncle Frank would also be there pilot, lying the kids and Mr. Richards altogether on his personal plane. I remember playing with so excited amid Mike and his two other kids. I think one was a upgrade above us. And one was a great below us. If I remember correctly family showed up the parents and the kids we also got on the plane, and we would. I remember just taken off like tired. The boys were headed on an island getaway haunt them for the rest of their lives under it back. It was exciting. I do remember. It was exciting. We're like we get you know, out of all the kids in the class. We go do this really cool trip. I've never had that feeling before you know, it was it was really cool. And I remember learning I remember getting our stuff getting our cabin. And you know within an hour. We were naked on a beach. That's how it was. If you live on nylon. This is how they do it. So. So. Okay. Again, eleven years old. I assume protect this my gym teacher right there. I remember seeing you know, when I was talking to Mike we've talked several times on the phone. We hashing things helping each other remember things in here members as well as I do seem cameras. You know, in a beach to us, you know, we're in the Bahamas, and I remember seeing cameras, but me and the other voice all naked. That's the way you did. We did if you want to be on have to make it. So we were all naked whose words are those who say that to you, Jerry Richards. I remember meeting Sheldon. Him. He said the same thing to this is how things are, you know, this is my on this island, baba and kids are lucky and fortunate to be here, you know. So basically just adhere to these rules. And this is how we'd we are here. And they were naked as well. Island was beautiful. It really it was a really cool place. And we go down the water was like it almost looked like the ocean. But it was freezing. And guys school skinny dip in and to me. It was weird because it's supposed to be dark when you go skinny dipping, you know, others girls around, but he's going to see here watching. So Mr Richard takes his clothes off jumps into wars fans. Come on you guys. It's all right, and whatever. Well, okay. We'll take swim stuff off whatever we jumping running around naked. Well, hindsight now looking pretty wrong. I mean, really off key to be doing anything like that. But they made it. So that it was not he because Frank wasn't there. I don't know if he was film or what he was doing. But Mr Richard made it as often worry about it. Nobody's going to know. Nobody's going to see. It's. Okay. Come. I look I'm doing it. So let's do it. So that's what we did. Come on guys, very me in the sand. So burying them in the sand. You know? And everybody's naked running around. But we're, but it's okay. 'cause there's no girls around. That's the way the way they presented during is. There's nobody will see. So once again they played on trust. Things like that several times. And I guess later on it was figured out way for us to touch him in verbally like that's bury because he's naked. And we're going to have to touch him, you know, somewhere. He did games. Like that quite often. You know? And if you started feeling a little and easy. I remember couple times feel uneasy. Do a magic trick. Oh, yeah. It was cool. There were six people on the island Bill and Mike, of course, rank Sheldon, Gerald Richards. And there were also two other boys at that time on the island the reform cabins to closer to the landing strip on the north end of the island and the other two down along pathway, which was near the southern part of the island. One of the cabins was known as the main cabin. This was the typical gathering place a place where they would come to eat also where Frank Sheldon slept on this particular trip. He had one of the unnamed boys stay with him in his room the next cabin over a smaller two bedroom. Building were jailed Richards and the other unnamed boy stayed Bill and Mike. We're lucky in the sense that they had their own cabin. No adults. I I had where the where nobody was watching me. I was gone. So. When they told me he can't be taken off. It was almost like. Going somewhere. And you're having a good like, we're just say your you go to grandma's house. And all the grandkids are there, and you're playing and you're doing everything to have good time because somebody and it's like, you kids quit running go sit down over there for a little bit that feeling that that's kind of what it was like when I when I was told that I can't. Don't just be going out looking for stuff. Like, they gotta keep an eye on you all the time. So it kind of. Kind of put some of the fire out, you know, just kind of still go on. But it was. It felt like it was rude. You know, we we want to before it was you guys have a great time. And then it was like, well, we need to keep an eye on you. And now, it's almost you're being watched all the time. I didn't enjoy that. You're noticing cameras like kind of all over the place. All right. Can you just maybe if you remember any details about where you saw them like the first time, I know some we we we were on the beach within the first hour landing with no clothes on. And I noticed the beaches here at C, you know. You know in the wooded area the beach. Edge of the beach. We had cameras by our cabin. Or are you questioning this at all? Or is this kind of like this weird thing? Whatever just doing what we're doing. That's basically this. I think I may have questioned. Mr. Sheldon about it jokingly saying, you know, we're celebrities or something like that. Yeah. You are the cameras as how we do things here or something like that. So I just kind of dismissed it as being normal. What was your initial your first impression of French Sheldon? Mr. ridge is told us about him being a millionaire when you're leading years old, the seventy million is unheard number. You know? I was I guess I was impressed with before. I met him. Here's a rich man who owns an island in an airplane. So I guess respect. I. There was a stomp, and it was probably about the size around this chair maybe four or five law, and I remember there was snakes and the end of it. So I rolled the thing I rolled it will the bottom ripped off. And there was literally thousands of snakes and they're. Like, just all garter, snakes was ring necks, naked and milk snakes. And it was just I never I was it was a greatest thing ever. I go back and I get Bill. I said, you gotta see these things. I don't really care for science. We'll come on. This is really I just I wanted to show something it's almost like, you ain't gonna believe this unless you see it so him, and I we take and go and the snakes are still there. And he's like you are nuts. I can't believe you're playing with these cameras by the trail that we've talked to Mike, and I would go, you know, catch snakes and salamanders just do it do and there's cameras, you know, a lot in place really from the time. We walked there, check them out. And then walked back. It was photon our own when we got back. We couldn't find it. Usually there was somebody right around the main cabin. And there was nobody there. So. We flew down to the beach brand down. We actually ran because it was kind of like text going on. So we ran down to the beach. There's nobody there ran back up went to each cabin. Nobody there what the heck. They left us. That's the first thing we thought so we take run down to the airstrip and the planes. Okay. Well, what the heck? So we go back and the Jeep was gone. So they must have just took a ride, and they're all going around and whatever. So I want to say it was probably a couple hours. And then then they came back and that was. They were happy with the. But the the two boys were different. They were quiet. They didn't talk anymore. We have we would have cookouts and stuff we cook. Hotdogs and have the marshmallows and stuff and everybody was talking. But those kids never they didn't really talk at all anymore. Didn't say anything, and it was kind of odd. You know, that was just. As a kid though, you're not going. She's I wonder what is going on whether they just seem a lot quieter. You know, but I never really thought about anything just. Just maybe not feeling good or whatever. So I don't know if it's the exact same time. But I remember here in one of the kids screaming crying. Like, somebody was hurting him. And he was screaming yelling stop in. We didn't know what was going on. And we knew it was coming from a lot door. But we heard the kid crying. I was a kid that was a great above us. Heard him screaming at cryan to stop. I remember that very vividly the one older kid. He he was kind of quiet to begin with. It's tough guy. You know, at least I thought. But then after that he. He didn't talk. He didn't do anything. More like sit at the beach by himself down by the water. Of course, Richards right there comforting putting his arm around him, you know, that kind of stuff. It might. I think Mike was the lucky one. Just as natural curiosity to run and be a boy and look around, you know, kept him safe. I'm glad for him. I wasn't as fortunate in both those kids never came back to our school after that summer. Never saw him again. I cannot speak for any of those guys that myself myself personally, they didn't touch me. But Bill Johnson was not as lucky they focused on me a lot. I noticed. Long blond hair blue eyed eleven year old. You know? The very first day. We were there. And I had a somber, Jerry Richards. Rub lotion. Everywhere. Again, I thought it was normal that was comfortable. But he just relaxed me. I don't remember what he said. This relax or something. Like that. Right rep lotion. Yeah. That was the first day. Now's the first day touch your genitals. I remember at the stake in just spoke my wife about this not long ago. I remember him taking lotion and put it on his hand here and just be laying on my stomach and just going between my. Cheeks fan like that. And I felt very uncomfortable. But he assured me everything was okay. And this is supposed to do again. I trust them. Turn over do the same thing because you have to protect that. So every day he did that to me. I'm not frayed to tell the story now. He knows grown, man. You know, you've got that little boy inside you that doesn't want to tell anybody. A little boy died on time ago. So it didn't sink in as while these kids went through an awful hell, and you know. Until I started getting older, and I was thinking. Wow. You know? They used are innocent that SOX. It really does. Are you asking like, Mike or any other boys? Really what the hell stone? I don't remember speaking to anyone about it. If I said anything it would have been to Mike because we were buddies. But. I may have kept that to myself. I don't recall. Maybe I I knew that. I shouldn't say anything. I do remember him telling us that anything that you see here. You can't tell anybody because we'll get in trouble for that, Jerry. Yes. Jerry richards. So. I didn't say anything do you? Remember feeling? Shame or anything. Absolutely explain like, I it was wrong. It's hard to it's hard to scribe. I felt shameful. I knew it was wrong. Something I shouldn't have done. I'm thinking am. I love mine. I never had nothing to say confession because we should go confession. Once a week. I never had anything to say because I did anything wrong. This is definitely wrong. So I'm definitely going to have to tell the priest this. So I felt bad. Should I say it in the thinking, you know, you have to confess Cincinnati to be forgiven? This is how we were taught. So I think my biggest worry was if I should tell tell my mom, I should keep to myself. He said, I'm going to get trouble. But am I getting trouble? I tell it to the priest. You know, so a lot of mixed emotions. Is it really messed up time? I guess. Something horrific happened to those two kids. You're pretty you feel at least one of them. Yeah. Absolutely. We knew what happened. I mean, we talked about it after you know, we know exactly what was happening to him. Was it was being ripe? If I was eleven he was twelve or thirteen maybe. Dishonest. He's being murdered. You know? In that scream haunted me forever. You know, I guess the mine has a way of protecting you over time. Then it's done that just recently. All of this stuff is come back to the surface. And I love with my wife agreed that it's good that I talk about it in let the world know piece of shit. This guy was. Sorry. It's fun. This guy being Jerry. Yeah. Like, I said I looking for him after. And I wouldn't be sitting here in this interview would be imprisoned. We'd be interviewing me in prison because I absolutely would kill them. There's no doubt my mind. Could never find him. I haven thought higher magician. And then have him show up. And then I was going to kill them. Luckily for him, and I've found and I never knew where he was. But I always hope wherever it was. He was in a lot of pain. You know, maybe being Karsh rated and having somebody do that to him. I heard he died sometime the nineties. The words buried probably best that I don't. Yeah. He's a monster. Trust. Richardson. Frank Sheldon had done a reparable damage to the voice Bill. Mike in the other two are subjected to horrible acts, and they weren't the only ones one of the boys. Tell his mother than that mother told the police everything would change. And we had a federal huge. It a flight warrant Santon. That's the last. I heard from him. He went to the Netherlands, and that's proven. Frank Sheldon was on the run as a rat brings down child porn operations from north lochs island to New Orleans back in Oakland County. A community was bracing itself. Fear was an all time high all eyes were on the task force with hopes that they could make the murders. Stop that more on the next shattered. A very big. Thank you to Michael Dunsmore and Bill Johnson who courageously shared their stories. I also want to thank Mike Moi's. Marnie Keenan, Corey Williams, Kathy Firestone. Joan Celtic ten rock and Paul Walton. We also want the grand traverse lighthouse crew to know their appreciate it for putting up with me. If you have any information that could help investigators please call the tip line at eight three three seven eight four nine four to five. If you have a story about the Oakland County child killer, and how to -ffected your life. Please call us at three one three two two three two two three seven leave us a message. We can also be found on Twitter Instagram and our Facebook page. Just search shatter podcast especial. Thanks to Anisimov. It's Ted Davis. And Joe prints for their help. With interviews. Zack Rosen who helps at at the show row Coppola who's the executive producer of special projects the Walter p Reuther library, Wayne State and Mary Wallace. They've Burch who made it possible to record all the film audio. Thank you Kelly. Alan additional thanks to Kevin Dietz for his help the story. Our team also proves to five part docu series on the story. So if you'd like to see the faces attached to the voices you've heard you'll find that. And a lot more information at shattered. Cast dot com. Until next time.

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Child Killer, Chapter 6 - The Magicians' Confession

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Child Killer, Chapter 6 - The Magicians' Confession

"Before we start today. I wanna tell you about another podcast. It's called into thin air. Hilly Cummings was just five years old when she vanished from her home, her abrupt disappearance jolted her northeast, Florida community, despite investigators painstaking efforts the case ran cold and remains unsolved. Now ten years later. Investigators who worked the case are sharing closely held details and opening up about what they think happened to Hailey find into thin air wherever you listen to shattered. Shattered contains graphic language and adult themes. On July fifteenth nineteen seventy six a complaint report was filed with the Michigan department of state police the nature of the complaint criminal sexual conduct in the first degree. Frank Sheldon and jailed Richards had just returned to the mainland after taking four boys from Saint Joe's Catholic school to north lock silent for three day trip. Michael Dunsmore, Bill Johnson into other boys were put through horrible unforgettable life altering experiences. One of the two unnamed boys would tell his mother the harrowing story what she heard was enough for her to call thirties. According to the police report, her son told her that he slept in the same bed as Frank Sheldon. This was unorthodox island that he the boy wasn't allowed to sleep in any of the empty beds. Boy said during both nights on the island. Frank, Sheldon rubbed his back and played with his penis while they were in bed. The boy also said Frank Sheldon place the boy's hand on shell. Rens penis and also tried to have anal intercourse with the child, but the boy refused to cooperate. This particular boy, go onto tell police about the cabins on the island Franks, cheap airstrip in how Sheldon like to take the boys hiking. You would also talk about Gerald Richards has gym teacher. He told them Richard's like to be in the room when the young men showered at school. You can tell police do they're onto something because they started to find other children that would talk about Gerald Richards. One told the story of how Richards told a couple of kids at Saint Jo's Catholic school that you needed to fit them for ethnic supporters. So he got a ruler out to measure the boy's genitals. The same kid talked about being lured to Richard's house getting talked into a massage in Richards basement in which the windows were painted. So nobody could see in he said Richards molested him. Then the boy says he swung Richards, Richard stopped. The boy said he was tune bears at the time to tell anyone afterwards. It's almost like they had a little secret society. Former Saint Joe student Michael Dunsmore able to see how Frank Sheldon, Gerald Richards behavior. Maybe resembled that of the Oakland County child killer little little inner circle, and they try to keep everything within that. And when when I had heard that these kids were were killed. My first impression as an adult was. Okay. These kids were going squeal. So we need to shot him up because we don't want anything happening. And then it was then I got thinking that could've been us so easily. I mean, the older boy, the younger boy that we talked about earlier if something had happened, and now we're in panic mode, and what are they going to just shut us all up and say, well, they actually they they drowned or what you know. I don't know. So it's. For them to be able to operate the way they did probably for as long as they did. That's it's very creepy. police kept digging. They kept talking to kids here on another boy told police that Gerald Richards had forced him to perform oral sex on Richard's. Another talked about being Richards assistant during magic shows and said Richards had many photos depicting child pornography. The magician's assistant was around for about three years with Richards and was subjected to countless rapes this point till police allot when and where things were happening said acts occurred import here on and Ben north lochs island. On july. Twenty third nineteen seventy six the police would arrest Gerald Richards import here on based on all the information. The children gave them Richards allowed officers to search his car. They found an envelope filled with photos of naked boys, Elsa fund, another envelope as a name on it. The name was Frank Sheldon at first Richards wouldn't allow the officers to open the Sheldon envelope. But reconsidered after being told a search warrant would be served inside the envelope. Police found a handwritten letter was ridden that day it was from Richards to Sheldon and the letter was a warning Sheldon to watch his phone and his mail saying to check his files and get all his stuff to north FOX island. Will be questioned further once back at the police station, and when asked if Sheldon himself had any photos or movies of young boys, Richards responded this way, quote thought he had how ever had never seen them personally. And quote Richards will go on to talk about Sheldon's philanthropic projects charitable work with young people. The police report actually says quote Richards, obviously, idolizes him and quote him. Of course, being Frank Sheldon Richards, kept going he told thirties about many other occasions in which Sheldon himself and others engaged in sexual acts with young boys. He told police have Sheldon finance trips for Richard's like one to magicians convention Richards, was cooperating with police giving them more information than they could ever possibly hope for why. Well prosecutor Peter Degan from port Huron was offering Richards immunity from further prosecution of any non violent crimes. In exchange for his guilty. Plea of first degree sexual conduct with minors and very importantly, his help in further investigation into others who committed crimes of indecency with minors Richards took the deal. Had its life after the -tective made the original rest of the schoolteacher. And we've found pictures that lettuce to mount eagle Tennessee, which then just expanded after they found the boys farm down there. That was retired. Michigan state police officer former head of the juvenile unit. Michael mois after Richards and the prosecutor cut the deal Richards, talked freely about Frank Sheldon the publications he read and other organizations that existed it was in the area of pedophilia. There were all kinds of different things that were going out. There was a a church that. Professed today. Man, boy love that was good for the child the man and devoid, but primarily the boy the church Michael Moines's, referring to is one call the poise farm in Tennessee a place that allegedly took in wayward children to help protect them. But what was really happening with similar to brother Paul's nature camp, north FOX island children were being sexually violated in films for distribution, Richard still police that the boys farm was where a lot of pictures. We're taking for the pedophile magazine better life monthly there were many. Several. I I don't know exactly. How many publications for various organizations that week? We got promoting man boy. Association's man, boy, love these magazines helped pedophile and pornographers. Learn how to recruit kids. There was publications from various organizations that were in that arena that went out today. Dente fide ways that you could infiltrate boys clubs or boy scouts or little league or big brothers. How you could get access to young men, and again, they would have their inner circle of contacts. And just like if you know somebody would know someone else who number somebody else, you're expand of of ability is in this case worldwide. Police rate of the voice farm in Tennessee. They shut it down in November of nineteen seventy six based on the information. They gathered at the boys farm they were able to link boy scout group in New Orleans to the ring as well. And it was a trail of falling. Dominoes Richards became the alternate informant for police files and pornographers wealthy enough to do so scattered. We heard that he went to my orca, which apparently is an island off the coast of Africa place. I've to have never been to retired. Michigan state police officer Michael Moi's says Frank Sheldon ran to my orca Spain authorities tracked him there, but you continue to move. He went to the Netherlands where he couldn't be extradited boxing historian, Kathy Firestone, figured out. Sheldon was in the Netherlands and wrote to him there. I wrote to 'em and ask him some of his. Interests some his knowledge about whether any shipwrecks that remains he saw there and ask him things about the deer population and other interesting nature things he might know about that would add to my book. I didn't ask him any questions about charges against him. That was being covered very well other reporters, and he did agree to talk to me. He was already in. Another one's at the time that we communicated. At the time you knew what was going on. And you just open the communication to ask about just other things. He was open to that. Right. I was I was working on finishing my book. And this the whole child pornography thing was just breaking news that time, and he had disappeared, and at least out of sight, I had a lot of dismay photos that I had taken over there. And I sent him a box of photos sent him to his attorney downstate. And with my note that I'd like to ask him some things about the archaeology shipwrecks sort of thing that might contribute to my book. Helpful. He did answer. He said he was really not happy about any newspaper people. He didn't have any good words for any of them. But he said he would talk to me about the other subjects if I wished and that's all really I wanted from him. So when you got something back within your jaw hit the floor. I was kind of surprised, but I got a call from the FBI soon after and I just copied my letter to him and France Sheldon's letter to me and sent them on. I really wasn't worried. I knew I didn't do anything wrong. So. I would imagine like anybody if the FBI called me, and it's still startling you kind of taken aback. Well, I guess I was I was a little surprised. It wasn't something. I thought would happen. So I was surprised when it did. But I, but I wasn't worried about it. Was not only comfortable enough to read Kathy Firestone back allegedly. He was still writing for pedophile magazines when he was on the Lam. May twenty seventh nineteen seventy seven at a hearing to investigate juvenile delinquency. Gerald, Richard spoke to the ninety fifth congress, and Chicago I was able to get the transcript from that hearing Senator John Culver of Iowa asks Richards year, did you actually begin to produce child pornography? Richard responds. I I met a young boy in January of nineteen Seventy-three who became our babysitter. And a model he was thirteen or fourteen years old and a neighbor I filmed him for two years, but the material was not sold later Richards was asked how many models he worked with at the high point. I would say that I would have access of thirty models. I could work with Senator Culver asks would those mostly be obtained in the port Huron community Richards, answered only about ten I would think there were only about two or three directly in port here on the others. I got from Pontiac and Detroit area by making arrangements to swap models. Senator Culver would ask Richards. If the kids came from familiar backgrounds in Richards told him yes very much. So you would add what I and anyone else that you've seen getting models would look for would be someone that had a poor family background as far as father image in the home. He went on to say, I decided in the fall of nineteen seventy five that I had to stop this type of activity because I felt I had broken a promise that I had made to get out of the bookstore. Business before my little boy was born. He was two and a half. And I was still working there. Richards would say his promise was made to God. than so much research on this part of the story. The people involved in the island at self had to go see it for myself, and what traces of Frank Sheldon remained. That's a little concerning. And we do have a massive rain. That's coming. In October of twenty eighteen I met Kathy Firestone at fresh air aviation in Charlevoix, Michigan. All the toys R other than that. It's only eleven minutes to get out there the island what we found surprising. Somebody in there. We'll be right back. I should be up and see what's in here. When new delivery comes from hellofresh. My whole family gets excited. Hellofresh is a meal kit delivery service that shops plans and deliver step-by-step recipes and premeasured ingredients. So you can just cook. And enjoy our delivery came with three unbelievably good meals, but our favorite was definitely the southwest beef tacos. Our family is a typical family everyone has their own tastes. So classic veggie regular family options. We can find something that everyone will eat with. Hellofresh. We spent so much time getting our kids food our food and with hellofresh we spend a lot less time meal planning in grocery shopping. 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And I don't know if that's the path to it before. I think I walked. I don't know. It's a brisk day wind whipping around it's hard to hear each other. As we head down this path even just a couple of feet away from each other. We're headed towards the southern end of the island where the main cabin was. There really is no escape. Right. You're here. And you're. It's hard to make out what she says. But she's talking about the boys who are brought to the island saying, no escape. Nobody could hear if you were screaming. She's right isolated and on this particular day. Very windy. Our walk goes on for maybe four or five minutes, and then Kathy looks off to a right down to the south west. She was last here in the mid nineties, and she knows the islands layout. She's taking me to the main cabin where Frank Sheldon set up shop unspeakable acts place with young boys along the way, we already come across a shed that was left behind by shell them. But it seemed that Kathy was starting to doubt her memory until. It's got to be a roof roof. How the heck do we get over? There is a question. Back to the structure, but it was just the bones of what used to be the main cabin the mainframe the metal beams look twisted and warped this place. Definitely burned down at some point. A concrete slab in a fireplace. Where all that remained, but we notice a fully intact cabin off to our right as we walk over. We notice a modern bag and some lighter fluid. Somebody in there. Inside the cabin greeted by smiling woman. She's reading by the front window book. Looks like it might be an abridged version of the holy bible. She begins telling us about her love for the island. From from rapid river. Michigan. You know? Her name is fame arenas her in her husband frequent the island from spring to summer. Come here. All of yours face kids. Spent a lot of time growing up here. They actually used Frank Sheldon's Jeep which was left behind on the island here by the first owner. Yeah. We would arch kids. Learn how to drive here on the island. And imagine that learning how to drive and Frank Sheldon's cheap. Strange this cabin core. Standing in. It has two bedrooms. Bisected by a bathroom. The other bedroom are bunk beds and another twin bed. They look old. I can't help. But wonder if they've been around since the nineteen seventies. I'd never got an answer to that. Doing very bad things to children police documents, which outlined the trip, Gerald Richards, and Frank Sheldon took the island with four young boys shows, a diagram of the buildings that are on the island, and where everyone slept this cabin is where Michael Dunsmore and Bill Johnson shared a room actually stayed in this room that we're talking to Fay in. Through the bathroom on the other side of this bunk house, that's where Gerald Richard shared a room and a bed with a thirteen year old boy, it's crazy and awful to think about as I'm standing inside this room. Really? It's so sad. It's not just that. It's. For the kids that were taking advantage of Nessun her husband's, but a lot of time here. I mean, it almost looks like they've moved stuff in. I can't imagine spending the night at a place like this knowing what happened personally didn't like this place. Oh, my the bad vikes what for a long time Christian. But I think. Personally, I'm over that. Because my husband says her and her husband like the island so much. They are willing to overlook the past. For people like Kathy Firestone area. We're talking about these islands like home to them. I love I love all the islands leelanau county has five islands each one of these islands has its character and its beauty. And it just you know, I've researched them I've written about him. And it's just hard to think that sets horrible things could have happened in such a beautiful place. Firestone's spent time growing on islands like south FOX island part of her life story. Does the whole perimeter of north FOX island and south FOX island and a lot of the Manitou not as much much bigger. But I've been. Covered quite a bit of ground on all the islands. I just like to think of him as happy places and places to relax and enjoy nature not place where torture happened. It's you know, you try and find a tie between the pornography operations operating at the time in our kids and. I think it explains a lot it explains if they were. You know, caught up news pawns, author, Marnie Kunin. It would explain. Why it was so well hidden because power and money can make a lot of things. Go. That's sad. I don't know that there's a real strong connection between what was going on on FOX Highland in our kids. Keenan says our kids because that's how close she is TIMMY kings, dad berry in his family. How close she is to this entire case. She's looked at this thing from words and backwards. Birmingham in nineteen seventy seven was the epicenter of open county child killer investigation task force was getting more new information than ever before. For instance, if we get a very hot dip, it will be immediately given a tip number theories and strategies were becoming unorthodox. This is Oakland County executive Brooks Patterson is Wednesday. Coach said refined these kids along the edge of the road. Like, a squirrel drop nuts. So the next take place swirl road place late staked out squirrel road for twenty four thirty days twenty hours a day. AMC gremlins took center stage. Brook's actually suspended the fourth amendment in Oakland County while this investigation was going on. If you drove a gremlin Oakland County, you're getting pulled over in the car is getting search. On the next shattered. But it seems like every time I get one piece of information raises two more questions. The recent. It's it's a problem is because they have they don't have the the. The era motion involved. Okay. They they want that answer. We would love to give them that answer. It's not something. I'm capable of doing. If you had a blue gremlin in this area during this time. Your name was mud because people thought you were the killer. So never forget. If your eyes and ears open it could save a child's life. Maybe yours may be mine. For the atom school Birmingham. If you have information about the case, please tell investigators it can be reached at eight three three seven eight four nine four to five. That's the tip line. And we want to hear your personal stories about the Oakland County child killer if you have them call us and share at three one three two two three two two three seven. I wanna think Michael Moi's, Kathy Firestone. 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Big Brother Canada 8 | March 21 | Overnight Update

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Big Brother Canada 8 | March 21 | Overnight Update

"Every morning Gary Armstrong. Yes again all this John and GM Sandy. Rosh et that he could do tomorrow. We'll do it again. Hello everyone and good morning. Welcome to our live feed update for March Twenty First Armstrong. And with me today. It's Kirsten Kirsten. I'm doing Walter and I'm always excited to talk big brother with you and it doesn't matter what happened the day before we will have. Yeah we're here to tell you about everything that happened yesterday on the big brother. Canada eight live feeds. It'll be an interesting week. I can tell you that interesting week of live feed updates where I think. I think we're GONNA HAVE WE'RE GONNA see like hey. Have you ever wondered? What would big brother Canada be like if it was more like? I don't know big brother. Uk something where. There's not really any game happening. No because this is not like Big Brother. Uk because Big Brother UK has entertaining moments. And you get to digest it as an episode of week instead of waiting for the feeds to come back. It's true well we'll talk. We'll talk about why I just just as the thing. Frontier happening right now. Is that Carol as we told you many times in the past she wants to quit she wants out so she has been talking about wanting out. I said yesterday on the on the update that she was asking she was volunteering. Said this already volunteering to be upon. She was kind of asking to be voted out but but Carol. So it's it's been all over the place where yeah so. Yesterday was a roller coaster of is Canada. I have gotten new methods. I'm going to use to motivate myself to get through these feelings to stay in this game too like I'm volunteering together and I want to go home and I don't know at this point I'm like a passer. Got Off the pod like conversation so there were a lot of different conversations throughout the house early in the day about Carol and the fact that she wanted to leave and a lot of them stemmed around this idea of well. We don't want her to self. Victor another self eviction then. Our season will really look like a joke. So what we need to do is spend an entire week not playing a game just to take her out of the game so that she doesn't have to solve it. 'cause that's less of Joe then just letting her leave. What are those things were like? Well we've had all of these things happened. One more thing happens then it will be a joke. It's certainly not a joke. Already for Core Michael. He could be the only person actually. I mean I feel like that's an honor this point since it goes goes with his honor and integrity so I think it's fair fair point so so carol also feels this way she feel like perhaps perhaps perhaps production also feels this way that because it seemed weird to me that they all had this same exact idea that like. Oh well we don't want her to be self evicting. That would be bad. It's better if we victor by voting her out even though it's way worse for like everybody's game except for men so I really feel like production has been telling people know it would be a bad. Look if she quit. The game guys have voter out and David telling her that and she's been telling them that and she doesn't want one point jail was like would ruin her life if she self addicted but I guess I guess she gets to keep her doubled followers if she if she officially gets voted out of again. I I can't what would give you that idea. It's not like the feeds every single time. They talked to anything. Oh Wait A. It's Kinda crazy how that works when anytime this is like brought up with like a legitimate discussion point. It's like Kay guys the word I'm here Mel. Yeah look. I'm not really a petty person but in case anybody if you were if you were thinking about it just my recommendation you don't need to follow. Caroline on social media if you if you're thinking if you're not if you're not pleased with this decision you don't have to do it. You don't have to do it. You'RE GONNA have to encourage this kind of behavior in future seasons. This is the only time I've ever heard you tell people not to follow someone. It was Brent so this is very wild to me but yeah it's it's actually really funny just conflict of like okay. Well if girl gets voted out she gets to keep her followers but if she quits they magically disappears. It's just such a weird coddling the way that it's spoken about is just so bizarre to me and I just don't get it and like the underlying thing throughout the whole issue as it's just like okay so Shelton's Hoa Age ultimately. It was just wild last week. He nominated three people. None of them went home and so now his solution. This week is to nominate. A person has two inches. Nro has nominated three separate people and over the course of two H is still none of them not to me is just wild like I feel like with Carol. Obviously we hate to watch it. We hate watching someone who wants to quit and who does not want to be there and on the one hand we would love for them to just quit and be gone and we don't have to deal with it anymore. We can drag them on twitter. It's fine but all this is reminding me is like I've been doing a survivor rewatch I recently. We Watch Amazon and when ROB is like hey. Let's keep Jonah. Because she doesn't want to be here so like it makes sense to me that they would drag carol because she doesn't want to be there for like I as viewer heyday. Yeah so so. Carol has decided she. I'm skipping over some stuff but I just want to. Carol stuff out of the way. We'll go back to the other stuff that Carol has decided she's GonNa call a House meeting and so she does and in the House meeting. She explains feeds cut but we know what she was planning on explaining. Which is that she. Her mental health is a priority. And so it's important for her to not leave right now but in six days for her mental health and she needs to be voted out of the game and even the feeds for quite a while. The House has accepted this as this. What the week is going to be? We're just going to do whatever for the veto because it doesn't matter Carol is going to go up on the block next to men who has accepted the role and and they're all just gonNa vote. Carol out and then progress proceed on with the game. There was some discussion of. We wouldn't touch sheldon next week because he has two ways his h h on this. But there's nobody that's that's really targeting him anyway so I don't think it matters ultimate. I just am exhausted. This is just so annoying and bore and like the very lease that they could have done is shown us the Saddest House meeting of all time. Like why did they have to deprive us that? We're home all day and I personally would like to have seen the saddest out fleeting of all time instead of going down. Yeah Yeah So. That's that looks to be our week. I think the most excitement that we can look forward to is like what IF CAROL CHANGES THEIR MIND. The last minute she very well might is the thing right like she's like one good conversation with Chris at the right time away from being like guys you know what I was really I was low and I was anxious but I am back in this and I really you want to be here and it's my time and I'm so sorry about all of that and I need to say and the next day she'll be like hey guys considered it and I would like to volunteer to go on the block and go home because I have a better life outside of this house. It's perfect that you mentioned Chris. Chris had a conversation with Carol before the House meeting where he said Carol. Do you want me to give you the best motivational programming. Do you want me to change your brain so that you wanna stay in this game because I can do that for you if that's what you want. Look I'm getting all the Carol conversations confused. I was the one where she was like Chris. I stayed here three weeks longer than I would have with your help but now it's time to go. You can do that but it's only going to do so much. You been been so much of a help. He's like I can transform your mind I can make you want us to. The fact of the matter is people should be very concerned that there's someone walking or how the house being like. I can change your mind at the signing the consent form of Dr. Like me consent to Rudra injure mind and fix things for all. I want to hypnotize you. I feel like we're here. I'll do this is now. My hair looks like Christmas. And he's like can I transform here Like I'm just waiting for Christa. Really get in the driver's seat and take control true. I mean I guess I guess. His main problem right now is that he requires consent. He's like a vampire in that way invited. Yeah but God help. These houseguests if If Chris ever decided to just really turn it on Charles for brains modem how crosses or garlic or something to protect up should he decide to go evil? Yeah so I just WanNa say personally to any potential houseguests in the future as show survives that I can only speak for myself but I do think there are a decent amount of people who agree that. I've seen a lot of support for this sentiment like Carol. Leave that the most disgrace barring all ball. Burnley things that are not morally. Correct right like we've dealt with on the season but game. Wise the most disgraceful thing that you can do is to ask to be voted out. Because that is the thing that slows the game down more than anything and enforces us to watch an entire week. That doesn't matter if you want to leave like don't force everyone else to see like eight and a bet your your removal from the game. Just just leave. Just leave and let them play and let us watch the game that we WANNA watch. It is not somehow more respectable that you technically got voted out. It is less respectable it is worse and so Carol is on my my most bad quit list since raking appeals to future players. I'd like to also myself y'all so to add off of what Taryn said. If you're at least going to be a dumb ass and choose to quit being voted out at least don't make it. Don't be like I'm asking to be voted out at least like make a spectacle and do some stupid entertaining stuff. That's GonNa make us happy as feeders where we can be like the worst gay movie all time and then you and you're like oh but I wanted the fast and I wanted to spine. That is at least the way to do it. But the other thing I would say is if you are considering going on a show of social strategy you need to sit with yourself and you need to think about all the time that you are going to be bored that you are going to be filmed twenty four seven that there could be real life repercussions from what you say and do on the. I want you to sit with that idea. And think about if it's worth to you and if it's not worth it to you don't effing audition because I'm so sick of seeing people who don't even care about the game who are willing to quit. We're not going to stick it out this bullshit and I'm sick of you also. I want you to sit with yourselves to take a long hard look in the mirror and think about if you can tell the consequences if you can't take the heat if the hell out of the kitchen before the auditions just get out. I'm sick of you. All these are the people who get cast on the show auto get to go. F- y'All I'm done. You're you're stirring feelings of like like I'm so with you your me a speech before battle. I'm so I'm so sorry guys I've also been inside. I've been in solitary for a few days. I'm fired up about this stop tweeting. Oh cursed him in there watching the feeds like first of all. I'm not going to an airport right now. How dare you try to pull my life not happening now? I also like the point of if you're going to quit like this like manipulate the houseguests into doing it. Instead of just asking because Carol is is talking about how she could've won this game as you're talking about how good she is but she's just deciding not to continue so if she if she is so good then. I do feel like why not. Why not put your money where your mouth is and and manipulate the houseguests into doing this. Instead of just being like please no she exactly show US something. Give us some like even if what you're going to do is go in and just feel like. I hate all of you and here is why I hate all of you. And like be like legitimately mean and really get under people's skin like villain. Yes that is what we mean. I want pop and Paul Energy and so it's going to be. I want them to channel their inner. Like it's been a few weeks. They know each other very well at this point so someone wanted to like. Get under their fellow houseguests skin. They would know they would know exactly what to say to really pissed every single person off and I would like to see it. I I would like to see all right. So that's that's the state of the week here. There's still some stuff going on. There's a little bit of game happening a little bit of planning for the future but most of it's probably going to be relevant but most of it involves sheldon and broke continuing to play all sides of the house successfully for now and then also some sheldon broke showman stark. Oh boy but it's not even like showman's tog like just awkward like every Sheldon Brokers Asia makes me uncomfortable when it turns to this topic. Because it's just like my impression of the situation is like Burke would definitely be down to Bela Sheldon but sheldon would not be down to be with Brooke and Brooke recognizes this and so she's like she says like oh. I wouldn't want to be in a showman's I think what it really is as I wouldn't wanna be embarrassed by omitting out wannabe with Sheldon and then children's new. There's there's a lot of layers to their conversation because from my read from it is that it's Brooke talking about one thing. Meaning another thing trying to fish a sort of like. Are you feeling the same way from Sheldon Sheldon is responding to the actual thing? She's saying not the subtext of what she's saying but it's all in code because they're also talking about something that they don't want on the show and further in code because they're not allowed to talk about the show and the diary room and so there's a lot of code and things that are going on here so let's jump right into the because it's not relevant to the strategy jump right into the showman's situation that she she was kind of. She was very upset when the came back from the House meeting. They were gone for like four hours and so she was. She was really upset. You could see that. She was upset and what she was saying. Was I'm upset because I was getting vibes in the dining room? She's being asked about a potential showman's situation between her and Shell and people have been talking about it in the House as well and she doesn't. She doesn't like that she doesn't want to be a legitimate. Want to be portrayed to be a showman. That's something that they both talked about. Previously they both agree on. They don't want this to be a showman's both in the House and how it's portrayed outside of the House and in particular. She says a line that again. I feel like is talking about that but also talking about something that I've been mentioning. Which is that. They have been growing a lot closer and he has been really warming up to her and showing more interest in her and I think that she has taken this to mean something is starting here and so she brings this up like Oh crap. There's like showman's talk happening. And he's kind of like well like not not on my end. I haven't. I haven't been giving them hints about that. I think from his end. He's thinking well like like because we don't want anybody to think that way and I think that he has he then unintentionally at this point was telling Brooke potentially while I'm not actually into that you might have just been misreading things that's what she's interpreting even though it's not what he's saying and so then she's like well. I just. I'm really sensitive to looking stupid like I really don't WanNa feel stupid. And she feels stupid in this moment because she was thinking that things were progressing along a certain way and now she's concerned that maybe they weren't and so he is like in. This is the moment where we're sheldon is if you can see you can see like the roller coaster for her in this conversation. Because Shelton's like I just want you to know I would never make feel stupid and she's like Oh he's talking about what I'm talking about. And he was like I never say bad things about you to other people. I would never do that even to the detriment of my game like I would never say bad things about you like I would never make you look stupid in that way. And she's like this wasn't quite the way it's just one of those where like Sheldon's communication style is just so like this is what it is. What I say is what you get. This is how I am. And when you're looking for some sort of subtext in there you're gonNA find it because it doesn't exist because it's not like he doesn't really communicate in subtexts so it's just like an confusing conversation. Yeah well well so. I think the problem here Brooke is that she can't be sure if this him subtly rejecting her or not understanding what she's putting down or like just not being willing to say anything that would incriminate him as well as her to portray them as a show him because he's worried about that being the actual thing and so. I think there's a lot of conflicting. I think she's still doesn't know what's happening. I can't even get a full read on what's happening. I still feel like he does like her but I think he is a little more dedicated to the game and not be appearing to be in a showman than she is which is part of the problem here. They then have another conversation later. He's clearly been in the dire room and he's clearly been asked about this and he was able to read from the questions he was getting. That Brooke has probably said something about feelings for him and so I think at this point he kind of gets it now and they have another conversation where I think he's trying to do more to tell her. You're not stupid. But it's still a very difficult thing for her to interpret because he's hard guide to read and so he asked her. It's did you did you incriminate yourself. Did you drop the ball And what he's asking is. Did you openly admit feelings for me in some way at some point? And she says yeah. I dropped the ball. He's like Oh my God you're so stupid Like you could at least dropped the ball to me like why do you? Why did you drop devolved somebody else? And then later it would have been worse. If you drop the ball to me it would have been. It would have been even more obvious he asks about like what was your defense level like essentially. How much were you able to deny it? And pretend like say that. This wasn't a thing and she was like kind of low. I think I just I really wish. Brookland love herself enough to not do this so what? I understand that. It's the kind of thing where you can't help it. I feel like this. I feel like this is an interesting situation because I don't think she's making a fool of herself for nine. She's yeah she's just trying to feel him out and I think they're both trying to do it in a way for normally in these situations like two people kind of feelings for each other but but they're both closed off and they have a friendship and they don't WanNa ruin it and so they're just trying to trying to very subtly feel each other out. It's like it's like that but then made way more difficult because they're also trying to do it without showing cameras filming them. Twenty four seven. What they're doing and without getting called out by the diary room and so it's making it that much more complicated but sheldon does say like like I he says. I didn't think that you'd be the one to drop the ball. I thought that maybe I would be the one to drop the ball. Well maybe it would be I. Maybe it would be equal But but I I'm very controlled and so I. I've been very careful. I haven't dropped the ball which I think I think she may be tried to interpret it this way but she's still not sure that's kind of him saying yes. Phase on in the Jed says Sheldon has a ball to drop which kind of implies that he does maybe feel similarly but he is more careful about portraying it to to the dire room and on the show I also my other concern with this is sheldon is so so so focused and I could see him having the conversation in this way because he knows what he needs to say to keep broke in his back pocket because he doesn't want to be dealing with a scorned woman in the house right so like that's the other layer two. There's that needs to be considered like I don't. I don't know how much sheldon really is interested in us. And like I do think that that game element makes him kind of put it on a little bit more than he normally would because he knows that. That's the kind of reassurance that broke needs. So that's that's my other because I feel like he acts like significantly more flirting with other women in the House and doesn't give Brooklyn she needs. So it's it's just like is he just trying to keep her? I mean he did he. I mean he talked about that like that. That is his. That's his defense level that set him trying to give as much content for other things to make. It seem like they are not a thing and I think your rate is perfectly like it's reasonable. I think that he he is a hard guy to to read. And that's It absolutely could be that my read on it is that he really does care for her. I don't know that his level of like romantic interest is exactly the same as hers. But I do think there's at least a little bit there and and I do actually think that like when he is saying I would never I would never make you look stupid to the detriment of to the detriment. Where my game I would I would. I would sacrifice bits of my game to not make you look stupid. I think he means that in that moment and I think that he would. He would feel that way. That's that that's my read on. It doesn't mean that it's the correct one but But I think I think that there is something here and I feel ridiculous that we've got nothing else to talk about. I mean obviously on getting from this as anything. We should be giving people romantic advice. I think that these targets should be. I think a really good duo for it and I think that's what should be happening in the robot who also seems to be like more a hopeless romantic and cursing the semi me bitter. No don't worry guys. I am a romantic at heart. It's fine I just don't believe in this particular now. We're going to take a quick break for our sponsors and we'll be right back and we're back so let's get back to the show. What else even happen okay. So like men was going around yesterday with her theory that people who are social are the. The biggest concern is just groundbreaking strategy. And it's really smart to go around telling everybody here has become the Strategic version of Rianne. He has been developing really good personal relationships with a lot of people in the house and he is using them strategically in ways that Rianne seems to be still kind of incapable of He is talking to jail. He says him. J. L. A. Rianne and Mattie are all on the same page to get Vanessa and Chris out next Jay L. This is an interesting conversation because it Kinda feels like here is trying to win the victors over to him instead of sheldon sue and Brooke that he's trying to win their loyalty more to him than them which is obviously a good move for him. It's not really anti sheldon broke. Is just kind of setting up for far in the future if he has them more than broken sheldon do? That's good for him. He's having trouble right now. Because Sheldon and Brooke have had a big head start on him and they have a lot of work that has been done with J. L. in particular and so this conversation was interesting because here I keeps dropping hints to let J. L. Be Like yeah I'm definitely more with you and J. L. keeps saying well but I also feel really good about Sheldon and broke right like Sheldon brooker definitely with us with that group. Would we control votes? That's a really powerful group and then here will be like well. Yes and then after Vanessa and Chris and J Djelic says yes after Vanessa at Chris. There's even more other people to go after with our crew because we have our crew. He's kind of this is another kind of coded conversation where we're being rejected a little bit. Yeah in jail. Keep saying like that. He wants to keep himself broke. Mattie and re was sheldon sorry I skipped sheldon. He wants to keep that group together because worst case scenario they still have four votes and they can control anything that happens and that's how jail keeps saying it whereas here is trying to get like more of a commitment of like. Yeah but like when it gets down to the brass tacks is it going to be me and jails like? I'll be messy when it gets messy for these? He's just not giving hero he wants at all and I actually like impressed with here. I didn't think he had this and I'm really impressed. It's it's I think he waited a little too long to kind of turn this part of his game on. But he's got a long time. He shouldn't be targeted anytime soon. I mean this. This group in particular should be relatively safe now if Vanessa or Chris or any of their. They'd kind of losing all their lackeys at this point with cow leaving but if they if they somehow one that would kind of shake group up and give Sheldon and broke even more power but it is interesting and I really would like to see. I think the most interesting version of the endgame is if we if Vanessa and Chris just Kinda do although I would I would miss them off by chaos. I. I think I'd Miss. Vanessa has been dropping the ball this week. She has not been doing any ridiculous. Nonsense moves in two days. Granted the feeds have been down a lot so it can't know for sure it's the frustrating thing with the feeds going down and so we don't get to see it is that we don't get these days of confusion followed by more confusion when we watch the episode because it doesn't provide any clarity on why she's like. I keep watching the episodes being like I cannot wait to find out what Vanessa was thinking and to make sense of this and then it does it even when they try to build a narrative of like Vanessa is as a player. I'm like okay but lake. Please yeah so after. Here's conversation with jail. He talks with Rianne again personal conversation with her but also talks a little bit about game talks about about their group after his attempt with J. L. He is a lot more gun shy when it comes to Rianne and he definitely includes Sheldon and broke more often in the talks and that he is not. I think he was kind of like okay. I think they are very loyal to Sheldon and broke. I am too right now. I'm just going to kind of maybe take a backseat. Let this play out for a little bit. Take my time with this Which I think is there is the right play for him for now so he talks about a crew of that is essentially him her. Mattie J L Sheldon broke maybe even throw sue in their Andrea says that. That's the hope. That's the hope for me. I love that group and they want to talk about Sheldon and broke as targets. But but that's not not targets for them targets for other people that surely surely people will start targeting them soon that Vanessa will target them reasons like I know I keep forgetting that. They have no relationship with Vanessa. So obviously maybe maybe Vanessa will target them instead of us. So that's great for us. Because there's just no connection between Vanessa Chris and Brooke Sheldon. That's really that's really good for us since like. That's that's where that's what gets you in the game. Yes it's a thing of like. Oh I am very afraid of these people but surely somebody else will take care of it. It's like oh. Are you not thinking that other people might also have the same fear and thing that somebody else then take care of it and nobody takes care? Yeah so I think that there is definitely an element of the loyalty. From at least people like Rianne who feel like we'll their shields if nothing else their shields in front of me which can which is definitely an effective strategy but you need to know the lay of the land in order for it to work. You can't use a shield when you don't know where other people stand that's why Sheldon was able to use kyle as a shield because he knew where the moving pieces were for the most part but but if you are in the dark you can't just take a shield and be like well. I think this works right. Surely surely this like it's it's a situation where like obviously has really great relationships but then strategically doesn't know what to do with it. I think that based on how things have been for her the past few weeks and makes way more sense for her to like. Choose an enemy and be like. I'm going after this person. I am only going after this person. Everybody don't even worry about me because my sole focus is getting this person out of the game and I think that that would do her a lot better because she doesn't need to know all of the moving parts because you can just be like this is what's happening. I'm going for this person and so I'm nobody's were only and as Eddie points out on the Chad. Brook is somehow a bigger target than sheldon. Yes this is. This is actually the case which is definitely strange. I tweeted this. It reminds me a lot of Big Brother. Twenty the week that it was like. Oh Tyler the wounded bird being used by that monster Caitlyn. Oh poor tyler. I if he's running the game four. And it's not quite as extreme as that because in that case Caitlin was the one being used by tyler and And they got it completely reversed and in this case. It's it is more of a partnership but they really feel like Brooke is the one using Sheldon and that broke is the dangerous one in the pair and there are. I think I think that have broken sheldon. We're on the block. I think they'd vote out. Brooke one there are a man and a woman working together. People love to vote out the woman to weaken the man. We've seen it a million times who he won two H. O. H. is back to back nominated three people. None of them are gone. I want to partner in the game. That's more dangerous. And he wanted to like wildly different age wages as well like he won an age showing that he's on good terms with everybody and he won. That was tough physical competition. Like it's crazy to me that would be discounted but it's what seems to happen and I think it also plays into this like this whole thing that for some reason so many people in the house. Just Hey Brooke. She has good relationships with some people too but like there are people in the house. Just they hate her. They don't like her. Even one of the main people who came from was from Sioux. Who I thought really liked Brooke. But she's one of the people that saying at the most widely. Why is it so easy to hate Brooklyn that house? She seems like a perfectly fine person. Yes but spent twenty four hours a day with small group. And it's like you're gonNA get little like what it specific to broken. It's like it's like it's like this particular thing with her. I'm not surprised by that. Okay are you of petty dislike correspondent. I will explain how you can just like every single person that house know if people want to know last last Sunday Karen from me began five. I when live on her youtube and we basically just went through every cast member talking about what we didn't like about them. People want to talk about just like they can go back to that stream all the reasons to peddle plane we were. We were like. We're hateful bags right now. Like I'm sorry that's just how we are and that's what we did for like an hour if they you don't need petty hit here but it's just like this situation where like any small thing is gonNA get under people's skin and I feel like because Sheldon communicates on such stray for word non emotional level. It's harder almost to get those small little habits that are gonNA frustrate you whereas Brook is a very logical person and she understands the game but she also has this emotional undercurrent and I feel like it's a lot easier to get mad at someone who has their emotions more on display because they become a software target perspective. It's weird because like we see Sheldon as like this this absolute game cold monster of a player But they see Sheldon in the house much differently than we do like they see him as straightforward dude. Just wants to play. Hard wind competitions be loyal to his people and he really likes Brooke and broke his trying to do all. These moves with him using him which is like so far off. But it's working for him so so this this is part of the problem here with Brooke is that she is. She is explaining. Sheldon's moves for him sometimes. Like in this conversation with sue where sue before Carol talks about wanting to go home obvious not way all the way before but before the House. Meeting sue still feels like getting men out is an option is still an option. So shoe is really really hell bent on it like she was out over the course of the morning because she needed men gone and it needs to be a back door because if you put me on the block than. She has to good a chance at winning veto and then she'll stay and then she'll put me on the block. You can't let that happen Brooke and so broke was like okay. I just I don't know I don't know if that's the best move like socially to have to put up another pond another person another person off like it just makes more sense to protect our positions in the game to put up another to just put them in straight up on the block and not have to. Piss anybody else off and so with Brooke explaining that sue is just pissed and she goes to Kris and she's just like I can't believe that Brooke is doing this She's getting into Sheldon's head and they're not going to do the back door and men's GonNa stay and she's GonNa put me on the block and Christmas like she she. Can you really think she wants to make big moves this year? You know yes she is. She's going to do it. I like how in this moment. You're still impression on your Chris. Impression are the same same face so you're talking about a conversation between for both. Oh you're just like he was like the calm one in the conversation. It was weird not used to that. Yeah it still is definitely like very nervous. And like she's someone who is negatively impacted by not having gone home last week for sure there was like many discussions over the course of the morning involved. Sue talking about how you know main could still go and like there's even like brief moments where Carol apparently still wants to be there where she's like. I'm just pretending I WANNA quit. And then that way. Men Won't fight for the veto and then it's fine because then she won't win photo and it's like masterminds. Carol over here mastermind so you know I was really surprised This because I thought that she was one of the people who benefited the most from Kyle leaving because it would really push sheldon and broke toward her and she needs like actual close allies but but like really having this being a sticking point and potentially pissing people off like Sheldon and Brooke really not good for her because they have actually been able to maintain a lot of power in the house and if she wants to make it far which I think she can because he's in a good spot she will need them and complaining to Chris of all people is really the wrong way to go because I do think that he. He's not the most trustworthy person he could tell. Vanessa Vanessa who knows what she does and so I I was worried for Su- I think that this carol situation hopefully has kind of put a lid on that and maybe I think that she's like really worried because she had that conversation with him in the week before where she thought men was leaving and she basically was just like. I don't even want to bother with him in like I just don't believe you. I don't trust you get Outta my face. And so now. She's like well. She was supposed to leave now. She has to leave. She's coming for me and I think another thing about sue is that I've talked about this before. She's very much like a people pleaser and she's very good at it and so I think she gets anxious. I think she developed this habit because she gets anxious if if she hasn't pleased the person if they if somebody's mad at her if earth set at her she really gets upset. We've seen this happen a few times with Chris when he was questioned her and she ended up crying. Chris pleased like you have to trust me. Like she really wants to be okay with everyone and so if somebody is not okay with her. A really stresses her out and so I think it's really. It's really putting her off that that man is still in the House that they're not good well and it's also really hard because there haven't been votes to confirm alliances and happening right so it's very up in the air so I can understand why like sue and feel very much because she's been doing all this work to please people but then because of how things have shaken out they're not getting like reinforcement. I'm like okay. We're together and this is why we're together and this is what's going on right so it turns out if you WANNA fluid season. Just don't actually have any votes in the lines. We'll just keep shifting considered constantly. Anti is so honestly all this rainforest romy as they should do a season of reality. Tv where people compete for safety. And if you're not safe they drowning out of the hat and that person goes home and then but you don't tell them that's how someone's going home every week you tell them they're going to vote you tell them in place. Few Taliban that they voted you name out of a hat and watch the chaos. I think that'd be very compelling television. Someone Contact Eric Stein. I feel like at some point. They would figure out the game. I think that would be again of like. Oh well now. They've figured it out. Yeah figured the Games up but it would still be sh we still very because then it's okay. Well I've won safety for the week but now there's nothing I can do much. Can he wants to know once they figure it out then they have to change the rules to now. There is actually. Yeah the voter now. We are cooking with yachats. Alright I I'm sorry that would be. There's really that's that's really where we stand right now again. Just sort of like give you the lay of the land in the House that Sheldon Sheldon and broke do conversation into the night talking about where they stand and where they plan to go from here again. They have this group with Chris and Vanessa and ensue. That is working one side of the House. They now have this other group with with the victors and and here. It is now five out is kind of being which is now became four is kind of being absorbed into the victors group and Sheldon and broker sitting in the middle looking like shields for both sides but in reality they're like kind of ducking under fire right and so that's that's pretty much where the field stands You have the victors wanting to go after Vanessa and Chris. We've got confirmation from them talking to each other multiple times. That is where they want to go. And then Vanessa and Chris presumably want to go after unfortunately for here here is definitely a target for them. Mean is still a bit of a target for them and and then obviously the victors will be a priority as well. Now with Vanessa. Anything could happen. We know she hates broke. Maybe she just randomly targets for all we know but it does seem like they have a lot more people to be worried about at the moment and so we are. We are looking right now at at this this kind of out in the house and I assume something like that will be what we walk into next week. Because I don't think that much will change over the course of this week with no real game to be played but I don't know maybe they just go crazy and things start to get weird and what. We just love for things to start to get case when I was catching up on everything. Today I came across the most insane tweet of all time and I just need everyone. To experience the weirdness of this tweet with Keirin sure so this is from the BBC updates account so what they do is they just. It's literally just point by point things that are happening and so this tweet was just a roller coaster so Brooklyn Sheldon are having casual chat on the balcony outside of H. O. H. Suzanne comes by impinges Sheldon's nipple. Men comes by masks of Sheldon's thinks she is still a wildcard. He says yes. She asks if he believed her and he says yes but she's smart almost insane so much happened to the course of one docking. I need you guys experienced to your freely amused by this. It's like okay. They're having casual chat. Okay Suzanne's Lebron just a pinch. Apparently just men's league them just as a lot for one we looked in nineteen all that and it just caught me off guard and really brought me entertainment this morning. Maddie Maddie did have a saga yesterday of she messed up her laundry and her clothes a little pink and so she was desperate for Bleach Lindbergh. Brother I need h plays and so then. They finally got her bleach. You're just like sloshing about definitely got it on wasn't wasn't supposed to didn't know what to do with it and then ended up like splashing it all over yellow pants and I think it was like. Oh you got it all over your pants. No this is the worst day ever always moment of my life right now. There was also like a really great Mattie here a moment where they're complaining about men double dipping chips and dip was to remember and then he was like no. You GOTTA BE OUT THERE. Then be mad in here. He's just like you can't double dip flick maybe with your family but you can't. I just like I love. I like the way he talks and expresses herself. And just everything about her brings me joy and makes me happy. I think she's a bright light on this season. I'm just so glad she's there genuinely because I is she like when Michael was in the house it was a very different Mattie. I feel like we've really been able to see her personality shine and she is. She can be very funny. Some different ways. I'm really enjoying her. She brings me so much joy and Andrews glad to have that opportunity. Alright alright that's what we have for you from the day. I have to imagine that for the next week. We're just GONNA have updates might be a little bit sillier than normal because there's not a maybe maybe maybe there will be but I'm guessing there's not going to be a ton of like. Who ARE THEY GONNA vote out to? Carol. Are they still. Are they still down? Imagine if Carol just like okay so bill. This week came with a five thousand dollar cash prize in Carol. Like somehow wins it and then decides she wants to stain uses the veto on herself. That would be great food. Here's here's the prize is one thing but I think it's. It's still too unlikely that you would win. It needs to be a quiz veto where it's a or B. and then like Steve Moses. She needs to be trying to lose and then accidentally win and then then I guess. Choose not to use the veto on herself or maybe she's just like you know what screw you. Sheldon. I'm using veto on men. It someone else. I would love that but I mean he would just nominate rewrite so pretty much volunteered. But that's still own my God you'll see there are opportunities for entertainment here and it just sucks. Because it's like we're relying on Carol to provide them so it's it's not a good like but we'll see what happens. It's it's going to be another week. We'll see I really again just to reiterate the point in case it got lost. Just let her leave. Let this be a real week so we can see actual game are we gonNA? Are we going to be able to last the whole season anyway with what's happening in the world? I don't know maybe just let Carolee shave a couple of weeks off the season. I think what will happen is they will have a quadruple eviction. Every three days right like what if what if they need to shut down abruptly. I don't know I guess like one. Final H competition evicted bunch of people. And it's like and we just spent an entire week on this like Let's let's think about the realities of the situation and take advantage of this opportunity. I think the problem is is. We keep expecting things to happen for us like we don't get all right. Well hopefully hopefully the updates will continue to be a nice thing for people as move along the season. So thank you guys for hanging out with US. I will be back tomorrow morning at eleven. Am Eastern to update and everything happens today on the bigger the candidate live feeds tomorrow night. I'll be speaking with Godfrey. That's a nice thing we'll be talking. Yes we'll be talking about the season. I'm curious to get his take on how the season has progressed. Thus far and then Tuesday night. We'll have The roundtable and all that good stuff so thank you guys so much once again. Kirsten where can people find you on twitter? Instagram everywhere. Akerson said what twitch dot TV slash person said what cow ski cast still talking about Riverdale talking about not getting nice things. I'm still watching. Riverdale cow ski cast with a K. and R. D. Qantas posting links on the chat sell. That's that's it. That's all right You can find me on twitter at Armstrong and onto a twitch dot TV slash tarum strong. Thanks again and seeing. This is rob sister. Nina thanking you for listening to this episode of our reality. Tv perhaps shows like this are made possible because of you the listener and the support of our AP Patriot community connecting reality TV fans around the globe to start getting access to all the perks of becoming a patron visit. Us AT ROB has website dot com slash patron. Hope you enjoyed the show.

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140. Young Sheldon mom Zoe Perry & Everyday Miracles

Your Online Coffee Break

15:38 min | 9 months ago

140. Young Sheldon mom Zoe Perry & Everyday Miracles

"We'll go to your online coffee break where we discussed bite-size topics that inspires educates entertains. Here's your host, a software innovator award winning marketer and astronomy and space boss stuck fields. Hello, thanks for joining me today for your online coffee break today I'm thrilled to introduce my special guest Zoe Perry. Zoe is best known for portraying Mary Cooper in Young Sheldon when of the most watched comedies on Network TV previously, Zoe had recurring roles in the television series scandal and the family and guest starred in Grey's Anatomy and law and order criminal intent Zoe was also a guest star on NCIS and cold-case most recently zoe start alongside Gary Cole in the new movie, everyday? Miracles. Decker. Learned handle. You are a celebrity. News preacher. Thanking he'll. Be. Fine till things started to happen. Girl crinkle aor to fail to hurt. Or. So a bunch of skits, Peop- people to believe the. Helpless fear. Has Way of kitchen up to dragging me around the circuit like some sort of freak show. The. Son has returned humidity. Because of the trouble left because you. Tend to pay attention to the everyday where. Seems like figured out what's worth running away from mistime you figured out what's worth staying for? Online. Coffee break. Go We, Zoe how are you? Are You I. have wonderful. Thank you so much for joining me today. Really appreciate it. Yeah, thanks for having me. Well, Zoe have to say you have this incredible career. Of course, you play Mary Cooper on the massive comedy hit Young Sheldon you just starting the new movie everyday miracles woods literally just came out now when I talk to you about both of those of course but I I'd like to take a step back a little bit and talk a little bit how talent runs in your family Oh yeah I understand your parents, Jeff Perry, and Laurie Metcalf both have had successful careers as actors I just keep just live with more. What was it like growing up around film and television sets are your life. Well I. Guess at first, it was growing up around a feeder artists because For the bulk of my childhood there were. Of Theater and started a theater company in Chicago called Steppenwolf. And so I think that was kind of my first introduction into you know the arts and and kind of having a fascination and also just love for watching them. And then when we moved to Los, Angeles got to the experience. Some you know TB sets said. Just. Walked you know following them along and so. It I mean I guess it. It's been. A. Unique life in that way and you know I guess the only one I've known. But yeah, always had a fascination with what they did didn't think I would pursue it myself because I was far too shy. I heard in high school. You said, you're too shy to do it. So like what how you get over that and decide okay, I am. I think the short answer is I had I had gone to. College. I transferred after my freshman year I was now at northwestern university I didn't know that many people when I think I just finally got up the gumption to to audition for something because I. I, sort of wanted you know like an instinct group and lucky enough to be cast, and that's exactly kind of what I got I just found myself fees artists that i. kind of you know recognize the vibe of from my youth and just loved it and and that was that I was like, oh no, I like this far too much. Too soon, be terrifying because of China's because I can understand that sort of went over there and you were like this this is my comfort zone. These are my people. Yup. Now. You've you've had some amazing roles from theater to several. TV, hit shows like NCIS creeds it can be the family but I I love how you followed your mother's footsteps literally for the Amazing Series Young Sheldon a lot of folks out there might not know that your mother Lori Ashley Played Schoenbaum on the Big Bang theory can't just how your role on young children came about Well you know nepotism in this case did not hurt I was berry. Slow. that. She started on that path because without her I don't know that I would be in this very privileged position. You know when it came to pass that that Jim Parsons and Chuck Glory and Steve Millar were were pursuing this. Spin off I. Remember my mom telling me. Well, you have to audition I was like well, sure I'd I'd love to if I'm at all right and luckily and now. They cast or young Ian Armitage I. Oh. He's A ball. And and just by virtue of his age 'cause I guess they could have landed on on an actor of of and just slew of ages I it just worked out that I that I could be age appropriate. So Thank you in and yes. So I auditioned and and then was again lucky enough to be cast and I'm just so grateful. I was principal that I was just wondering. Was it difficult to play the younger version of a role that your mom had already played that intimidating anyway or does come natural? For sure intimidating I, mean I think the the process about dishing and everything was intimidating in that on paper. Seemed like such a kind of shore. Bet. But you know having worked in this business for a while you know that nothing's really giving. Thought well, if I screwed this up, I'm I I really have egg on my face. But when I was cast I definitely felt a duty to honor what she had established and I had even before additioning had rewatch solid her footage because I wanted to make sure that I was. Following certain things that that had been kind of rooted into the character I mean wanted to do the boys wanted to know what mannerisms she kind of fell into and And then I was afforded this kind of great. Tune ity to explore it on my own as well because the writers are so talented. And they know these characters I think better than any of US playing them do and they really kind of created a Mary in Young Sheldon that. Is kind of her her own invention she she's at a different stage in her life. Way They young kids. And kind of exploring the depths and perhaps limits of her face. It's all a bit of a different context I in our show and so I feel so lucky that I get to sort of figure out for myself who marry at this particular stage of pro-life. I, tell you now she's a beautiful character. It's wonderful. My wife are huge fans of the show as are millions of other people out there. The kids are great job and speaking of other phenomenal shows. He had just had this movie that's came up on everyday miracles with Gary Hall. He just tell her on just a little bit with this movies about. About young man who is struggling with his past and who finds kind of safe harbor and with a family who's also struggling with fingers and I think it's sort of about I think coming to terms with our with our demons but also with our gifts. And sort of finding peace in the present. That it. Yet might my? No it is the. Just came out today. So I haven't had a chance to see the trail is remarkable for for those out there you know about a reluctant faith healer who you actually play the girl who falls in love with the faith healer. So it's kind of a different role because they actually have the mother character or the evangelist. So you're playing sort of a different role. This time was just what was that like that character for you it was such a great fun experience. I was so delighted to be part of it. You know we made it at a time that was. You know a while back and so I was It was a great new experience to be on a set like that and I had history with Gary. Cole, because he's also a member of Steppenwolf and so I had known him forever Rondi Reed also member of Steppenwolf and Lucia stress a wonderful Chicago actress we have a lot of good mid Westerners on that shoe. And it was just such a fun experience loved working with Eric and Danny and Gary. Everyone in Mardi Madden was such a delight and Yeah. We just had a really fun time and I'm so happy for. Marty. That this movie is is getting. It's a chance to you know come out and be seen. You know I was GonNa ask you about that because I know what streaming on Amazon but but. Obviously, we're going through this really weird times right now is it going to be streaming mainly for awhile or any any idea if it's going to be released in theaters or or we streamed for now? You know that that's such a good question I. I hope that it gets a chance but but for now streaming and and you know they're plenty eyeballs out there that are I think looking for New Content and boy do they have options? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, yeah so I I'm all for. you know works finding their niche on on streaming screens. Wonderful I was a great way to watch movies to anyway I want to ask you I. Guess Bringing that of Cove Affect aiding we are going to go back to two young shown for a second. We're just so excited about season four and we're just like you guys usually start filming by now. But obviously, that's affected that I don't know if you're at liberty to say are you start filming and he planned sooner I knew things are on hold according to what I've seen. We have a plan to start soon knock on wood. We'll be back to work in this next month, and then hopefully we'll. We'll get this season out to everyone as quick as we can. Talk monthly. Yeah. Yeah. Luckily we're. We're we're not to to delayed so so we should be so on a on a similar track all we can't wait on that 'cause. We were just the other day. We just started watching season three again because you know streaming. We're thinking well, they're assuming soon because these kids are just going to grow so fast. They grow fast. They, grow fast. I do when we're silly question I guess you know of all these amazing roles you've had all the you know from theater to TV to two movies. What's been your most difficult role? Oh you know that's a good question I. Mean I wonder how I even think of difficult I. Guess they're all. Difficult in their own way, you know trying to find your way into a character and and. What similarities you have and what differences you know with Mary I definitely have my own stubborn streak. I definitely can be you know perhaps controlling and organization. Matters of of of the House and maybe even the heart I don't know but but she she she does tend to to run a little hotter than me and and can be perhaps a little more tense. But then when it comes to Mac in the movie, Oh Gosh. Such a thrill kind of playing that because she's she's definitely. A bit more no nonsense than I am. But allowed US sort of goofy side and the always a fun thing to play a bit of a contradiction. Zoe Can I just can't commit enough on this incredible career one is thank you for coming to our homes in entertaining us. We really do appreciate that. And I actually. I just want to thank you from the bottom of my heart. Thank you so much for joining us today. It's been a pleasure. Thank you so much though thanks for having me pleasure. Online coffee break. Why really by Commerce, with Zoe today and I'm enjoying the new movie everyday miracles also cannot wait till young sheldon season four comes out hopefully not too long. We'll see anyway if you'd like to stream everyday miracles that streaming on Amazon like more information just go to the Website Synod I'm dot com that C. I N E D I G M dot com. I WanNa, thank you for joining me. They want to thank you for joining us as well. We'd appreciate if you show this episode with a friend, we'd also appreciate it. If you give a like if you're watching on youtube or if you're listing on Apple Podcast, a five star rating, we'd certainly appreciate that to at any rate. Thanks so much for joining us. We'll see next time God bless.

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Big Brother Canada 8 | March 22 | Overnight Update

Reality TV RHAP-ups: Reality TV Podcasts

1:25:54 hr | 1 year ago

Big Brother Canada 8 | March 22 | Overnight Update

"Every morning Gary Armstrong. Yes again all this John and GM. Sandy said that he could do tomorrow. We'll do it again. Hello everyone and good morning. Welcome to our live feed update for March twenty second. I'm Eurostar in Armstrong. And with me today. Mary how'RE YOU DOING MARY? Well I don't know it depends if you guys can hear me or not. I'm podcasting from the bottom of the well so we'll see how it goes yes. Mary's been having some Internet trouble so we do apologize in advance. If if she sounds like a robot or or she sounds like it takes her an extra ten seconds to comprehend what I'm saying. Well you know I jammed have to take multiple seconds to understand what anyone says this normal. I'm trying I'm trying to pause more after you speak to make sure I don't like overlap. But they might make bigger posits. I don't know if that's worse we're GonNa do our vets look. Look nothing we do here on. This update is any close to as bad as as the mess that the season is that. We're talking about so I feel like we're just. We're just perpetually in the clear with all of this okay I'm sorry I apologize stance for all all right. I actually I didn't think the feed quality was that bad yesterday. I mean nothing happened for most of the day but honestly it could have been a lot worse. Release a couple conversations. Yes yes well. We are here to talk about everything that happened yesterday. On the Big Brother candidate it was day. Twenty two in the house. And you know what you're right. It wasn't really that it wasn't that bad. I think that we've certainly had a big mass of a season so far and now we have even more of a mess this week where there's not really any actual game happening but but luckily I guess for us. We still do have this sort of like broken sheldon. Take over the House gameplay happening so visit to watch and then there's also people just being silly nats that can be fun. Yeah and I feel like at least all. The other houseguests are on the same page as US terms of being complaining about the fact that this week is kind of a wash and and Sheldon's definitely upset and people are contemplating mean actions in order to save the H. Yeah yeah plenty of stuff funny stuff going on so so we started. We started the day. Men Men has been working a little bit. He's she's been she's been trying to rekindle her relationship with Vanessa. She's been going to the victors and trying to maintain relationships their men's priority for the day and for the week is try to Li- little bit lower try to work on relationships She says she wants to meditate. She wants to work out. She wants to do yoga. She wants to prepare herself to win the H. O. H. And her plan is that she wants to win the wage and target Su Su and Angie on the block. She hates Angie us. Angie as the Pon sues the worst gets you out of the game and she's basically telling the entire House that this is her plan and so she's trying to like again with men she's so she can be so interesting because she is such a wild card but she has like the seeds of good ideas where she's like. I know that it's a good idea for somebody to be nature wage. And do like say they're gonNa do thing and then do the thing because then people feel like they can rely on that person so she's trying to like call her shot and like all right here we go. It's time for Angie and so on the block grill let's do it. And so that's what she's doing today and it's nice that she has a plan. It's the planet. Everyone seems to know about Al. Because Angie ensue are very worried. Sue in particular is like Is there any way we can get out this week because I know I'm particularly in trouble? Ooh That's a pretty face on that one. I know that I'm in trouble. Or if if men gets h next week you know. A lot of people are talking throughout the day about how they think it's going to be a mentor competition. We haven't really seen men play in that style competition or anyone really depends if you can't box than his mental really. So it'd be interesting to see if she had more or less of a chance. If that was the case so does talk with re and Mattie about Vanessa and they're curious about where Vanessa stands on things they ask if she's trying to get back in with men after lying to men about an lying to everybody about what men was doing and Min says well yes. Well what Vanessa told me was the only reason she sided with Kyle in that house. Meeting is because she's scared of him but really she really was more with me and she really was telling me the truth about Kyle but in the House meeting she got scared inside with Kyle. I I don't know I like. Do I believe her like she's still is like? I don't know how. How Much Trust Vanessa at this point but that was Vanessa's excuse and it is working at least on the surface level. That men in Vanessa have rekindled their relationship to some degree and is more concerned with sue right now which is just really like completely unnecessary on. Sue's part there's no reason. Minh should be targeting right now after the big blow up with Vanessa she she really dropped the ball in this case and and has become means target is kind of like freaking out around the house about it. Yeah this whole season I mean particularly with Manasseh is really like a detective novel of trying to figure out when people are telling the truth and when they're not listened to probably ten different somewhat strategic strategic conversations yesterday and my main question was like okay but which one of these is the real plan. I need the houseguests to like. Turn to the camera when someone leaves and tell me. Hey this is the real plan. Otherwise it's you just have to keep waiting and seeing which one is most consistent which is what tarrant does a great job of giving us feedback over okay for the last ten days. They've been saying this therefore it's probably the truth. We think I do my best. I do So but yeah to set that up so obviously what we have here to set up week is if you haven't been. There's I feel like I told me to what's happening because nothing will ever change. But Ba Sheldon is h h again Carol and Min or on the block and Carol has asked to be evicted. And so that's the houses agreed to evict. Carol is going to tell us later that she feels like the reason. Carol wants to be evicted and not self victims so that they'll pay for her plane ticket home which I'm sure that's amongst many other reasons that production is using to convince her to stay until Thursday instead of self because they wanNA keep their schedule or whatever but but that's sort of where things stand right now and the problem for sue is that at the end of the previous week when it was looking like men was going to be evicted or could be evicted because at this point. Jomar had already been ejected from the game and the didn't even know that the victim was going to happen or not. Didn't know whether it will would happen or not. Ensue conversation with men were men. Tried to say Vanessa's the bad guy. She's been doing all these things and sewage is said to her face. I don't believe it was a very contentious. Conversation confronted her about the comments manmade about her boyfriend and did not go well and she didn't believe that Vanessa was on those things too and their relationship from their has just completely deteriorated to the point. Where a Su is now like. I said freaking out about the idea of staying in the house going to a lot of different people like she needs to go. I'm sick of it. That effing bitch can't win. This thing is this is GonNa get me. She's gotTa get me and men is. Is it actually going after her? So it's it's it's not. It's not a good thing and and again I really feel like sued dropped the ball on this one because men was never like after. Jim are left. That should have been the opening that they could have now like repaired any sort of rift that they had in their relationship but instead drew mar left and it was just like now. I'm holding a grudge and from there. It's just it's gone sideways. The dynamic and a house is really interesting right now. They talk about several times. They're sort of like three or four. Different groups happening better all kinds of waiting in limbo to see assuming that Carol leaves the end of this week seeing. What's going to happen next after that? And a lot of people sterler waiting to pick a side depending on who gets power. I you know. There's a lot of talk from Book Bracken Sheldon about how? They lost three allies. All in a row. Here for kind of no reason weren't able to get anyone out but there are some upsides to what happened for them in the game. Obviously this is not speaking about like the opinions of production in order to remove those players but with kyle out of the picture. I don't know if this has been talked about already it. It helps them. Distance themselves from Vanessa even more in some ways and stop relying on her as much and so at least that is not a big problem for them. I mean it could still be a problem but I think sheldon and Burke see-through Vanessa a little bit more at this point Anyway Yeah Brooklyn and Sheldon's response to like getting getting screwed over by like random events for like a couple of weeks in a row has been alright fine. We'll just align with the entire House that way if we lose allies it doesn't matter because everybody's an ally and we'll just work with the other people you can't stop us and like it's it's it's really working. They are firmly at the top of the food chain here and it's not even close at this point. They've really taken hold of the game. I talked last week about feeling like Sheldon was exposing some weaknesses in his game. It feels like with Jim are gone. He felt like Jomar was the person who really really like caused. Sheldon's weaknesses emotionally to be exposed right because drew mar was the guy he just couldn't handle. He didn't know how to deal with Jomar. And in the way that operates but with Jim are gone sheldon has been able to really work well with basically everybody left in the game. Brooke is doing well as well. Not Not quite as well because she's a little bit more visible and for some reason people think that she's the one in charge which is could for sheldon not Brooke but but but they are literally aligned with. They have alliances with every single person in the house. They have various final threes. They have a couple different like final. Fives they've got working relationships in like alliances with the victors. And there's not a single person in that House that's not aligned with broken sheldon at this point. Yeah I love hearing a couple of the different final three plans they had and the okay. Everybody end in final three that were said throughout the day. I know that they have a final four with here and sue which is probably my favorite option of those just for the players that I'm kind of interested. I like your zoo a lot. But but they also joke about a final with men which was probably my favorite part of the night. Last night was just the very casual. Oh Hey man I put you on the block twice a good plan. Yeah Yeah men has a conversation with Sheldon. I shortly after the veto which was like the most nothing veto that has ever happened because it didn't matter happened and then it was a short one and the feeds came back and it was like yeah. You're a one. There was a lot of complaining in the House about people participating. In being like yeah. I didn't even care. There was no tension. I didn't even try that hard. There is nothing going on. A lot of people. Were predicting that there was going to be some sort of incentive to win the veto to try and get people to play. I don't believe that ended up being the case and then on. Here's point though it's like dude. You didn't need to win this so don't win it. Why why did you do that? I E you know there were a couple of people talking about how hey got to start looking at him as a physical threat so not not from him. It really reminds me of Sam last season in big brother. Twenty one where he won. Just a couple of Vito's in a row that were entirely unnecessary and completely tanked his game essentially with the views now the first veto. That was very necessary. He was on the block and and it helped prove to the House that he was not upon in the House that he was a respectable player. And it's really helped launch him into a good position and I do really like Kira in the game. Socially he's excellent strategically. He's learning the game a bit more now. He knows the game but like he kinda thought he could go in there and play a certain way and I think he's been learning that he can't really play that way. He's been a little more devious a little more deceptive than I think he originally intended to be in the more that he plays the better he gets that but he's still playing from behind because sheldon and Brooke have really gotten a big head. Start on him in that regard and he's still trust them right now which is not the best thing for him and so him. Winning this veto was really not the best thing for him. It was the best case. Scenario for Sheldon as Shapiro wins the veto. He doesn't have to deal with men winning and taken herself down having to put somebody else up and with hero winning this. That means there's two wins for here and this is what everyone is saying to wins for hero to wins for Sheldon two wins for Chris so Sheldon Winning back to back. H Not really seen as that big of a deal. He's just one of three people who've won a couple of competitions because they're counting Chris's initial being endanger win as a win as well really not considering the fact it will okay. He be two other people in question competition and then he wanted crapshoot competition But nobody's talking like that because he's a big guy and he talks like he can win all the competitions so he's kind of like intentionally putting that sort of a target on his back so that makes Chris even more wary of here is there are a lot of people now gunning for here. They were already kind of gunning for here but it was maybe like here or J. L. But now it's a lot more like here is kind of dangerous And it's not great for here. I still like him. I still feel like he's got potential here. If here can can survive for a little while. I feel like he could be something in this game but but I do feel like he's endangering the short term right now in part of it is due to win so just going back to sheldon winning these two back-to-back h wages. Do you feel like if you were in the house. Because I've been thinking about this. Would this come across more or less threatening than if he had won two back to back in a typical fashioned where someone had one in between him but he had one two of the chances that honestly I feel like it's less because yeah because it feels like one big yet kind of it kind of feels like like he? He's just yeah one big H with just a big cluster of nonsense. That's been going on and he's just kind of been the person in charge and I also feel like it's really helped him what I was talking about with men wanting to win and just do what she said she was going to do and be straightforward and get a reputation for that like he's really getting a reputation for being a solid straightforward like. I'm just kind of not trying to get involved in drama. I'm not trying to play hard. I'm just trying to just trying to do what we can to survive this crazy mess that we're all experiencing and it's really working for him because like I said literally everybody's in an alliance with them now so I actually. Yeah I feel like this. This is a lot better than your typical. Like people are like people are more worried about Chris. Because when Chris was h he played hard he targeted people back doored them. He lied to them. Sheldon's just kind of like just I just I just don't WanNa make too many waves. I just want to do what I can to make friends. And whatever and so people are not worried about sheldon right now and and we talked about this. A little bit yesterday The most amount of worry that we see from them is well. They'll be targets for somebody else. So they'll be shields at some point and that's obviously a pretty big mistake and and I think fits if the house was thinking clearly right now than they would be able to see that it's The real danger here is if you let broken sheldon survive a few more weeks they might get to a point where they become unstoppable and nobody sees that right now. They're all focused on everybody else. Well I think re- IT I. I heard a couple of times not in a direct. We've got a target shelves and way but when she was talking with Angie at one point later in the evening she did mention she said you know here are some people who try to describe it. She slips it in like when you get mad. I'm trying guys. We're GONNA be alright. Can You Continue Eric? Sorry she slips it in as sort of saying like they are people. She says Nice things in a way of just calling attention to them like Oh. It's so nice that they're they're always around and they're up there and they're making these moves for us kind of things that are just sort of like putting attention to them without saying. I'm gunning for them. I just think if I had to pick someone in the house who recognize that position therein. I would say. Probably re yeah. Doomed tribe is is calling you out a little bit as this reach and trying to find. I'm trying to find my notes this specific since I. I'm I'm kind of more do on this one that I don't. I don't know if I really have gotten that same sense. The what what I've seen from re has been. She has talked about them as as like targets but targets for the house more than targets for her and she spoke specifically with hero who she feels really good with about them being shields for them. So I could see that I could see that. Maybe what you're saying. Is that when talking to other people? She's willing to pump them up as like. Hey remember like using them as shields in that way but I don't think that that means that she wants to target them at all. I think that she thinks that their shields and that other people will and so by saying those things it will engulf fan those flames but in reality because they're aligned with everybody. It's actually not gonNA work out that way for her. I would imagine yes. I wasn't saying she specifically wanted to target them. I was saying I think. She's not like oblivious to the good position air in when you were saying like Oh. Nobody sees that they could run to the end. I do think that they have the social ability and but I think that they are playing from the front. I think people see when they're only talking together cer- certainly I like. I'm not saying that people don't see that they are a danger like I said she's. She's talks about them like they are a threat in the game but but but she doesn't see that the threat that I'm talking about is not there threaten their threat in the sense of them being a pair or them being good competitions or whatever the threat that I'm talking about that will make them unstoppable. Is that they are aligned with everybody in the house and that is what nobody sees. Nobody sees that at all especially re whose pointed out that you know what Sheldon has no relationship with Vanessa. No relationship with Chris. Like that's what we need to be remembering. She's trying to point that out to hear that They do not have any relationship with these people. And that's what makes them valuable to us as shields so so I feel like that is. That's what I'm talking about when I say that. That's the danger that they are missing right now. And if they if they if they don't see it soon then they're gonna find themselves locked into a battle where we're sheldon and broke it to sit on the sidelines. And and at that point I feel like they could become unstoppable now. Of course unstoppable and the Big Brother House means that one good twist and you're still out of the game. This is not a done deal even necessarily to the level of like the pretty boys yet but but what what? Schellenberg have been doing. This week has definitely put a pretty strong stranglehold over the game from my perspective. Yeah I actually okay. I found the the specific quote I was looking at I was wrong. It was actually what Angie said to re. Sorry Apologize Lok blend together. Ten o'clock at night. What Angie said which actually taking back kind of enforces your point is. She was saying that broken sheldon could become a problem because they only talk to each other and their hold up new other which is actually a good thing. Because they're not only talk. I mean they do that a lot. Don't get me wrong but they do have other relationships so of Angie thinks that the two of them are only talking to each other. That actually helps them right. If that's not the case anyway. Sorry big misunderstand. That I read. I read my own nets. Ron I feel. I feel like that led to like a very valuable discussion and helped. Accentuate is some of the points that we were making. So I'm telling him Brooke though is every time you make a noise. I'm going to have completed. I gotTA warn you. You're not being heard so. Show them Brooke. I feel like the normally in a season at this point even though it's kind of early but there's twelve people soon to be eleven. I would say oh like these people. They're just going to run to the end. They've got a hold on everyone. They're playing so much better and they are but I think this cast has some other people who aren't just going to let that happen more so than previous casts I think specifically someone like sue even J. L. to a point I think while they don't see exactly what's happening yet. I think once it gets down to you know eight or so people. Are they going to really? I really hope some of these people would come together and I believe it a little bit more this season. I think I usually see like a really big field of sheep and I think the apart from like one person who's GonNa leave this week. I don't dislike anyone even if they're not playing hard. I believe that I I believe that with this cast. At any point any one of them could decide something and even if it doesn't work the attempt might be enough to call it out to other people. Yeah I I think that. That's a valid point. I think that the field that Sheldon and broker playing against is a is a tougher one. Then what the pretty boys faced last season or at least it appears that way and sometimes it only appears that way because somebody like you know Anthony is just demolishing the field in front of them which makes them all look so terrible that that it makes it look easy but it does feel like. This is a bit of a tougher field. That said I did tweet yesterday because my read on the situation right now is that like I. I'm really I'm looking at Su. I'm looking at jail and I'm looking at like how distracted they are with other things and suicide so distracted with men. She's so distracted trying to hold onto Chris. Who's actually closer to Vanessa and not working that frustrating her. I'm looking at how tight she is with Brooke and how bad that is for her. And I'm looking at how she doesn't really have anybody in the house. That's close to where I'm looking at jail. Who so focused on you know Chris and Vanessa that when here tries to talk to jail about the future jail is kind of just like were loyal to Brooklyn Sheldon. A we wouldn't like will you know we don't want things get messy? There are other targets It really feels like he's kind of he feels like he's got an in with them. That nobody else does. Which is the thing that always is problem in these situations so for my perspective I feel like here is the guy I feel like if I can survive the next couple of weeks of being targeted by people like Vanessa Chris. I do feel like he is the one who has the connections with everybody that allows him to see maybe to eventually C. Shell and Brooke are in all of those pots and then also willing and capable to do something about it. So I feel like here I. My prediction was that I feel like here is the biggest long term threat to sheldon and Brooke if he survives long enough to make it happen. And I feel like I said he's got. He's the one with the connections to open the eyes of people like J. L. and ry and maybe Su Su Su. I'm not entirely sure about at this point but but I do think that here it could potentially rally the victors together late later on if they all if they still have enough numbers here is still around but but at the same time Sheldon. Brook are a little bit aware of the fact that he can do that as well and they've been dropping hints to people like here is in good with everyone and so we'll see but I do think that here is the biggest threat and I do agree that this is a cast with some some higher level of play overall but in terms of how they strategize. It's it's pretty clear at least from my perspective. That broken sheldon are just like on a completely different level than everyone else right now and unless that changes. I think that you know we'll we'll see what happens. Do you remember. We won when Brooke was talk about. Oh I like this but I can already tell that Sheldon would win over me. Kyle would win over me and you know so and so I really wish that other people had a little bit more of that instinct. I want people like sue to sit down and say who am I with? Are they going to beat me? And it's true that a Lotta Times in big brother Canada someone who has more social connections one especially if they win a couple of comes at the end who has played a better game or a more strategic game. I should say but you gotta get there and make sure that they're not going to target you and you still have a win. If I was in big brother I would just constantly be thinking. Who Am I with? What's my pastor the end and then can I guarantee myself at the end? I'm the person hands down. Who's one who's played the best? I never understand in these games. Where people aren't thinking like that constantly and shaping the game so that they're that person with you and that's something. I advocate for all the time as that you need to constantly be like evaluating your position and in trying to make sure that you know where things stand and all of that but I think that unfortunately even for Brooke at this point. I'm I'm not like the last time we heard her say that to the cameras was like. I think almost two weeks ago and her relationship with Sheldon has progressed pretty dramatically. Since then I don't know how much she's thinking about like. How do I make Sheldon not lose anymore? That said I think he's the kind of guy that like would be guy you got me and like they still get together whatever they WANNA do. Drop of all together all right. What do we need to talk about this again? Because I was listening to your conversation with Kirsten yesterday and I have a kind of different opinion. I feel like every scene with Brooklyn Sheldon alone or even with some other people. I could look at it in two completely different ways. One where it makes sense. That may be they both like each other and then the other one is the exact same scene. I can interpret it as sheldon is just pretending or I don't know if pretending is the right word but you know doesn't necessarily say share those exact same feelings. If we knew the truth I can look at it that way but the one is early in the morning are it was probably like one. Pm One of my saying in the morning for me. I was still in bed. Sheldon Sheldon comes into the H. Room. Where here And Brooke are laying on the bed and listening to music and sort of being goofy and kind of dancing and stuff like that and shelling comes into me seemingly very on edge and kind of upset and he gets in bed with them by is kind of unhappy about like. He seems like annoyed and at first. I interpreted as oh. He's annoyed because he's coming in here trying to nap. And bring your are being giggly and and having fun and he's finding that irradiating which could be true or if you think that he also likes her it could be like a teeny tiny little bit of uh she's bonding with him in laying in bed and they've been giggling and having fun and flirting over here so I can see either way. I don't know who is killing me. Yeah yes I can I can say that the from from even from the conversation yesterday where Kirsten Kirsten's theory was that sheldon is playing Brooke intentionally sort of like making. It seem like he might have feelings for her in order to string her along It sounds like you're saying you feel like it could be that he does or could be that he doesn't but are you. Are you saying that that option is also that he might be playing her or that? He's just like oblivious or I don't think playing is not the word I would use I would use. He needs her as an ally and he appreciates her being. There is an ally and so he's going to be extra nice around her in that way. I direct playing. Her would not be the like the way I would take it more. Like I need to be nice and sort of careful with this to make sure that she's not not going to get upset and leave our alliance but I I don't and yet you're still on the fence. Well I feel very comfortable at this point especially after like watching yesterday. I am very willing to go out on a limb and confidently say. I think he's very into her very into each other. I very genuinely feel that way. I think there are a lot of indications pointing to that They're hard to describe without what having people watch it themselves but just like over the course of time. I really feel confident that I a lot of different things right so okay so I'll skip to some of them some of the additional things that we're happening last night after a conversation with men a broken sheldon who yesterday or the day before you know. They talked about how Brooke dropped the ball by essentially admitting feelings for him in some way that he was essentially like. Don't take offence if I haven't dropped the ball it. It doesn't mean that there's not a ball to drop It just means that a more controlled and so Brooke Asks Him. Like what are we going to be doing for the next few days because they're gonna be doing and Sheldon says. I duNno dropped ball. And she's like yeah and he he also talks about late. We're talking about like. Are they going to cancel the season? And he's he's saying like if they cancel the season. We'll we'll just run away together. We'll just we'll just run away and hide out together somewhere because like we'll never be able to face the world again then you know he's he's he's talking about her legs like the body language the like where he looks like you. Can you can see where he's looking all the time. I've got nothing else to to to pay attention to in this in this house. I feel very confident. I feel very confident that there's very much something here and I see what he is like. When he tries to play other women he is trying to convince matty that he's into her and the way that he flirts with Mattie is incredibly different both from from his end and like emotionally but also what he's saying and and he I mean by the way has convinced matty that has a crush on her maddie. Maddie feels like he's into her and re agrees. So that's that's the thing but I'm willing to put my money down. I feel like this is absolutely a real fan. We'll see I'm not. I don't think I think I wouldn't hold your breath if anyone is waiting for like an completely showman's between the two of them in the context show. I think if we get more this can we please come up with some new metaphors dropping the ball. Because I really don't love that. It just gets a little confusing. Sometimes because I'm like Oh wait dropping the ball in this scenario it was a good thing not stink but whatever Yeah I I agree. I think that the chances of them like actually yeah like getting together on the show probably a lot smaller than than a normal quote unquote couple getting together on the show because neither of them want it to happen on the show but like like last night everybody else has gone the lights. Turn OFF IN THE BEDROOM. And like there's major is like they wanna be kissing each other but they're not like. I'm I'm telling you it's there. It's there it's just it's just maybe not going to happen in the house if they have enough control. Okay Fair. Maybe it's just. I can't read Brooke as well. I don't know maybe I'm too similar to her. I'm not sure I can read jail really well. There was. I felt so bad for him earlier. He's also that it's not. I'm talking about okay. I was talking about how he's Janet and makes them slop in clean the kitchen and do some busy work and like four different people come up to him and are like Oh. I'll take that job from you. Go go eat your food. And he's like no it just want. I just some busy work. It's just want some alone time. And they're like oh you want alone time okay here. Take the H. Go by yourself. I don't WanNa be away. Just want to do this and had to repeat himself like ten times like. Y'All just let them do the dishes if he wants to. I would be so bored that I would. Yeah doing the dishes like the one thing you can do like. Don't take away my thing for the day anyway. Jail growing on me drills gray. He's been great are off. That has been your showman's updated for the day. Hope hope you guys enjoy it? This this is what happens to me when when somebody is allowed to just quit the game without actually having to quit the game I have turned into. Showman's guys swatch. Yeah well I've been watching. A lot of love is blind so feel like my emotions are just all over the place now. We're going to take a quick break for our sponsors and we'll be right back and we're back so let's get back to the show so you're talking about how men has a final three now with sheldon and broke. That happened here. Men Talks to sheldon about how you know. I think that if you broke and myself stay close than the remaining three. Victors again anytime. I say I'm just referring to them as a group. They don't use that term because the term still doesn't exist to them but J. L. E. and Mattie they're going after Vanessa and Chris Vanessa and krystal going after them and and you know the three of us you me and broke we can just kind of like hang out and let them go at it like. I think we can really make something like this work again. Men has all of the right ideas. Her execution just often leaves a lot to be desired. So Sheldon says what broken. I've already talked about this. Which is a great way to respond to somebody saying they want to make an alliance with you because it's not just like sure it's like oh we've already thought that this is a good idea. We're totally on the same page. And so they definitely don't want to be from it but she says that the person I'm worried about is Su Su. Su is coming after me. Sue. She's good with everyone and she doesn't add either side. She's somebody that like we want the sides to go after each other. Sue isn't a part of that so sue doesn't help our game at all so that's why I want to win nature wage and get out of the game you know. Build my standing in the house by doing what I said I was going to do. And so on. And so forth and of course Sheldon pumps are up. They also talk about hero in Maine. Says she has a good relationship with hero and again like I said both broke sheldon and a few others. Now this is starting to spread talking about you know. You're you're good with here. I feel great with here. I would never WANNA go after here. He's good with everyone though isn't he? Yeah he really is. Yeah everybody loves here so starting to spread your stay away from my guy here but starting to spread so yeah. So that's that's kind of the start of this. Now men wanting to end is working with broke and Sheldon to some extent. Brooke is going to have a longer conversation with them in In the TUB. She's in Brooklyn Children's outside of Tub. And then after that conversation she debriefs with Vanessa and does not reveal to Vanessa the extent of their conversation. So take that for what you will. So there's in with that with with men. They are officially in alliance with every single person in the house. I also really like the way that men is sort of self aware of her position in the game and pitches toward that like she actually uses the phrase. I'll be your scientific to Brooklyn Sheldon's thing like you don't need oh it's fine. You are hide me publicly. That's okay I understand that you don't want to be seen with me as long as we can. Just check in every once in a while. I'm happy being your side chick and I actually really liked that coming from her because phrasing it that way in the way that she did VAT pitch. I felt like I know. They don't WanNa be in a real alliance with her but if she's not coming for them she's not the worst person to keep around as like a target shield sort of someone that everyone does one out I mean. They can't keep her but they could not win. And just let other people deal with her and then if she happens to win I really don't think it would be the worst thing for them. Even if she comes after people that they are aligned with those people got so being. If as long as you can get rid of the Vanessa and men thing in there not spreading the same information around. It's not. It's not a terrible idea to make men think that you're with her and yeah you're the line from both broken sheldon separately has been you know they were completely with you. But it can't be like public thing you know you have a reputation and sheldon a lot better at this than than Brooke is in terms of being able to be bluntly honest with them in without her getting offended where it's like you have a reputation in the house if we're seeing with you then like that could be bad for us collectively and men is like I completely. I think that's a good idea. I think you're completely right. We saw we see what happens with jail. Mattie and re we see what happens with Vanessa and Kyle than Vanessa and Chris like. I think you're completely right. We should we should keep this on the down low. I think that's a great response from men in that in that case. Actually I didn't love her calling it calling yourself decide chick to cook a little bit later. Even though it's a great description it kind of like implies that she like that she sees it in a negative light and Brooks response is like. Oh No. It's not like you're the side Schick it's just like let's let's use better words for it so that I don't feel bad about it and I don't feel like you feel bad about it but I did love the description because it's very accurate. I just think it's funny and it's it's good to be somewhat self aware in that way. That's like knowing that they if knowing that this person has put you on the block twice and it probably doesn't really you know he's told her he doesn't trust her and so you gotta say like okay. They're not just going to agree to a hair with you guys. We can make a strong kind of alliance. You need to phrase it in a different way and if you come across as I've always loved the pitch of like no one would see it coming because they know we hate each other which I know people use a lot but is a valid reason to be in an alliance. And if you don't hold a grudge could take both people very far so. I think it's okay. Yeah and again like Sheldon's just very cold demeanor. I think really helps like normally when people do that. Like oh well nobody will see this coming. Almost never works because the there's no trust unless the unless you then spend the time with them to build trust and then people do see it coming and so normally never works but with sheldon who is so even like it's I for whatever reason that makes it easier for men to to buy that even though he just put her on the block twice was about to send her home that he holds. No ill wiltord her at all and this that this absolutely can work without much without much else going on so it's working. It's working for him. And it's sort of counterintuitive way. Well exactly and I don't know if we've seen many other players like sheldon not a whole lot of comparisons come to mind. I know people are calling him a robot in saying that he's not emotion on stuff. I don't think that's true in the real world. I think that he's just so in game mode and usually it would hurt people to say that their in game mode but because of someone who is like men Or or someone. Who's like he can be this appealing person because Oh if they're just trying to win the game as long as I can give them a logical pitch then they might listen to it and they're not going just be me and past and that is more receptive to different ideas like that. Also you kind of where you stand with him. Because he's probably just gonNa tell you like did with men in. I don't know I think it's interesting. I think it's not something that we're going to be able to see repeated anytime soon just because people would start to compare it to sheldon depending on how well he does but I do think it's like it's not as simple as just saying. Oh He's robot he's cold. It's a very different style of Gameplay that we've seen and I don't know if it's all good or all bad yet but it's very interesting to watch and I do. I do think this is a good opportunity to to make it clear to you that I like. I said I've been noticing shifts over the last week now with Sheldon Toward Brooke. I've also noticed a shift towards Sheldon and the House in general that we talked a lot about sheldon being the coldest most robotic player. I've ever seen play the game when I when I mentioned that like with Damore gone. It seems like that's shifting like that's real like he is a different like I am not seeing that level of emotional blindness that I was before in the previous week the weaknesses that I was seeing in last week's Hoa train when it came to arguments between Jamar and Kyle and everything that was happening there. I'm not seeing those anymore. He is connecting to the houseguests emotionally. Very well now. He's he's with Brooke doing managing her very well when when she gets upset he like. It's a lot of those things no longer seem to be the case at the moment. So if I haven't made that clear before and you're just kind of going off of my previous description. Know that things are shifting in a different direction and he has been much warmer in the house than he had been in the past. Yeah not necessarily toward you just some Internet people who seem to see it that way to sort of address that it is a little deeper than that. I think we're on the same page on that. Yeah Yeah and when people are saying Oh Brooke will definitely lose to him. I think that's going to depend a lot on how she can package her game. I think it's interesting that they are such an obvious. Gio and they tell pretty much everyone that and it's it's not hidden the fact that they don't outwardly seem to be a complete romantic pair helps be less threatening for some reason. I think people some of them think that Sheldon's into Mattie maybe think they broke his barking up the wrong tree which helps which is an intentional strategy by Sheldon. Yeah and I think a lot of people also who have alliances with Broken Sheldon? It's a lot of times the the third in that alliance or if there's two people bef- the third and fourth feel like. Oh well at some point. We'll just duke it out with them and then I don't know it'd be it'd be interesting to think of. I Dunno sheldon up against other people seems pretty strong. I wonder how Brookwood do up against other people. That's really gonNA come down to. Did they look like a duo or did it look like one of them was more in charge than the other? Yeah and broke also like it's great for Brooke that Carol is leaving. Ideally it'd be great for Brooke if this is not a nine person jury and it's a seven person jury and she's able to get Vanessa out before Jerry because she just needs to get these people that irrationally eight her but not openly so out before the jury before they poisoned the jury against her. We'll see how that I think Vanessa and the jury is just devastating for Brooke. So we'll see what happens there. You have a whole lot else to say about Vanessa and dying for Vanessa. Well there wasn't anything that was like crazy crazy going on. Yeah Vanessa. Has I mentioned this? Yesterday she's been more chill. She hasn't been doing nonsense things as much. We'll see how long that lasts. But but I think like a lot of her energy right now is so focused. Laser focused on Carol. She's spending like hours of the day just talking with Carol trying to convince her to not leave. Because it's pretty devastating tour game. What game there is when when Cara leaves so but there was a conversation because really it's more of a Su update here like sue is the one kind of losing your mind right. Now and sue went to Vanessa and they talked about their frustration with Carol and Vanessa. Vanessa was like I honestly. We're supposed to be like mentally fit to like. I'm surprised she even made it in to the show and I'm like yes. I'm agreeing with Vanessa. I don't understand. I don't understand how carol made it onto the show. They both agree. I don't think she came here to win the game. Ever even the goal for her she just came here to do whatever again double. Their followers and sue is pissed. She is like so heated and emotional throughout the day. Like on the verge of like yelling and crying at times talking to Vanessa talking to hero talking to to Sheldon about men and how she needs to go. She says that be better not win next week. I would rather I would rather I would rather just get me now and let carol self evict. Just just let her glitter. Go as I think it'd be a miracle. If she even made it to Thursday. This whole thing is just so unfair That we've lost three allies. Who have less three numbers? So much faith in Carol and she's screwing us so frustrating so goes around and talks to a couple of people about this idea of ood. Couldn't we just boatmen out anyway and then if Carol chooses to leave after that stinks but at least we didn't waste these two ages and she tries to phrase it as like couple of different ways? You know I think it's pretty transparent that she's really sell. They've been wins h next week but she also says like if if men wins the game then it's it's like an asterisk because she was supposed to have left at this point and she was supposed to last year so she was supposed to have twice. I mean and she's like started interrupted. If you're looking at the scorecard of like how many times it probably would they have left if not for random circumstances She's still well behind on the scorecard. Especially if you look at even just big brother. Canada winners on talking shrew true but but I do think that like I kind of see sues point here I know it's really really mean and really ruthless and she every other sentence has to be like I know I'm being mean here. I know this is brutal. I'm still GONNA say it if this was like if this was like an online game or something. This is the kind of moon move. I would be totally behind. There's not a ton of people trying to quit there but the like holding someone hostage in not carrying two birds with one stone if they go out afterwards. I kinda like the idea. Here wish pitches it to Sheldon Brooke however Brooke is much more anti-this because she thinks that it's just going to really hurt hers and Sheldon's games on that way I just. I'm completely with you and sue in terms of like absolutely Just blindside Carol and make her quit. And then also get men out like that would not only be like like is that is that savage. No no it's not. It's it's doing everybody a favor. It's it's utilitarianism. The audience is way more people. They need to be pleased. And so the AD pitching she pitches this to Vanessa. She says that. Can't we just vote men out and then Carol will just south of IT and Vanessa says? I don't think people would do that. They'd be worried they look like evil. People and sue is so frustrated. She's like I just worked so effing hard to make this happen to get out. If I win next week. I'll have to do the exact same effing thing for the third thing weaken row and just put men on the buck. Effing again is that what's going to have to have happened really like I just worked so hard I cried. I yelled side to convince Brooke to get a pawn and Carol on the block and I I worked so hard and I convinced Brooklyn broke. Help me convince Sheldon and it was gonNA happen. We'RE GONNA BACK DOOR. It was gonna be upon somebody else and now it's all screwed up all that work for nothing for nothing. It's all gone down the drain. I'm just exhausted and I'm not eating and it's so frustrating and she's she's having a little bit of a break down here and I thought this was interesting that she apparently thinks that she convinced Brooklyn Sheldon to go through the back door plan. That's not the case. So apparently they convinced her once. The new the whole thing was happening. They're like Oh yeah. We're definitely going to do your plan. And she believed him. Yep Yeah is great I love. It can convince someone that it's their own idea and may go off like this it. I do think that sorry. They also just just to wrap up the Vanessa conversation. They also talk about their name. Their five this five person thing is still a thing and is yet to be named the Vanessa. Chris Sheldon broke and sue alliance. Yes I didn't catch the name named. They just told me to name because sometimes these things get spoken of but then they don't get like solidified but this is something that is solidifying and I can tell you that just this morning. They did have a meeting together. So this is. We'll talk about that tomorrow. Of course I love this. Just wish they could kick Manasseh out of it right. They need to have an alliance with Vanessa somewhere. Because they've everybody true. I do think that one other thing about that holding hostage strategy that I liked was they were talking about it. Both ways sheldon was like it's not fair that they're holding US hostage in the house. We have to sit here and pretend to play the game and vote this personnel. Who just wants to leave as well? So which one is more fair and then he tell like. But don't don't bandy about this. Don't bring it up around the house this idea because we can't do it it'd be too risky. And she's like yeah. I definitely haven't told anyone else already because what happens. Is that sue before that conversation also talks to here and she says min needs to go like this week though. And here's like we can't do that here. Here is always like the guy who is like like. Let's let's be. He's kind of like Nicole from last season of big brother. Us like he's like. Can we just be a little bit nicer guys? And so he's like we can't do that and she says but she has to go. He's like it's just not going to happen. Can we talk about next week? Like what are we doing next week and it was like well mean if I can't get her out this week as needs to remain next week you're going to do the same right here He's like yeah. Yeah for sure. What about Kristen Vanessa? Though they're both going after men he's like Chris to. She's like yes. I was just talking to Vanessa about it. It's men men men he's like okay And so that conversation with your then she goes to Sheldon and Brooke she pitches the idea to evict men and then have carol self evict and sue says. Vanessa's down. Chris will do whatever we sell into and here is on board to like just need five votes so like let's make this happen And you just you gotTa tell me if I'm being too Sav right now and then Sheldon says yes no. Savage savage is holding the entire house hostage Alpha victory and and then he has Brooke Brooke is the one that really kind of shuts it down. The most here says like I hear what you're saying but we can't just do it with five votes. We can't just have half the house. Blindside Carol Maker leave. It would make us look like assholes and we would completely ruin ourselves socially in the House with the other people who would be really mad at us. We could only do it if the entire house was on board. And the problem with that is that even just pitching. The idea makes us look like such gamers like we're so cold-hearted right now people are like oh we're good people Brooke. She's a good person. She's a good person. He's a good person but if we start pitching this idea of like let's just savagely do this to Carol. Even if they go along with it will be in their minds that we are playing that hard and so I feel like it's a bad idea and that's why Sheldon's like just don't even don't even pitch the idea right Allie cool. We'll keep it in the back of our minds right now but don't be pitching it around because it'll be a bad looking at that point. Yeah yeah definitely definitely not doing that and with Brooke. I think one thing that she's not directly saying in this conversation but she does say later on when she is taking her bath with men was that I think is right in that she seeing the outside world the clearest in the another quit on top of two people being evicted having five people leave the game regardless with only one person being actually voted out and really there's like even if they allow it's basically believing the game and only one real vote. She's worried about the season being cancelled. I think they're all worried about the season being cancelled due to coveted. And I think she's she's one of the few people who realize is this stuff going on is not good for the longevity of the show and this season in particular men was like no. It's fine people liked drama. They've never seen this before. And maybe some people but I think Brooke is more rape. And she says no no the viewers like gameplay and they're upset that they're not being able to see game. Play right now I you know. I think they're both a little bit right. That men is basically saying that so so basically broken men in the TUB have conversation before Sheldon joins them and they're talking about the same sort of thing the talking with Sheldon about like working together and stuff and they talk about this. This idea of like is the show going to be canceled. A lot of them in the house are worried about that. Very worried about that. They got an update about the virus Yesterday and they're all still there except for you know Carol Mind I guess and so. It's something that they're all worried about in dimension to the objections of the quits in so Brooke feels like if if Carol Self evicts then. There's they've screwed up the schedule so much. They're just going to cancel the season. I very much disagree with Brooke about that. There's no way. Production cancels the season because Carol self-afflicted that. That's definitely not definitely not the case but I don't think production wants Carol to quit because they don't want to have to readjust their schedule more than they already have had to. And and men's point is that this is kind of like a novelty right like these crazy things are happening. As long as the ratings are up I don't think they're gonNA care and I think that's also right as long as the ratings are up. I don't think they care that much. It's just a matter of other innings. I haven't really checked to be honest right. I don't see anyone online being like. Oh I'm so more invested watch. Most people are quitting in two people were kicked out yet. Seen the and and and I think the brook. That's that's where Brooke was also correct when she said I don't you know like the fans of the show. They want to see the game happen. And there is no game happening like they watched the show to watch the game and and there is no there is no game. So there's a lot of discussion about this although again. I think that I think that Brooke is off on this. That in the sense when she says that Carol Self Victim is worse than Carol waiting to be evicted. I definitely feel like it's the opposite. Like maybe for production but production is the one with all the bills to pay. They'RE NOT GONNA like. It's not going to cancel the season. Because they're mad at the house guests like that's not how it works they. They're the ones that make all the money off of it. They're not going to cut their own arm off despite the houseguests because they quit the game. Too Much So but but I do think that I wouldn't be surprised at some point but not because production but because of the virus and the government telling them they are not allowed to do it anymore right. I think this doesn't help that. These other circumstances keep happening. And we've gotten this virus that can be used either as an excuse or as a legitimate justification for cancelling the season. I think I don't know when they'd be more willing to keep the show on despite the virus if the game was so great. And they're all this crazy game play blindsides and stuff so I don't know it's it can go both ways. I see. I see what you're saying. See both I also agree that were getting gameplay stifled because of the fact that they cast people on the show who didn't want to be there again. I feel like just let Carol quit and let the week play because you might have the season half end early and so who cares if the schedule was messed up? It probably already as messed up at this point. I'd take this opportunity to make it go faster without having to arbitrarily make faster also related to this. They must and I think you said this already be getting a lot more information about the virus than just that one conversation. The letter is because I'm hearing different. People call it different things and people are calling and cove in one thousand. Nine hundred people are calling it corona virus. Some people are sort of making jokes about it. Some people are talking about a very seriously so it seems like they're all of a sudden much more up to date with sort of the entire picture because that's what we're seeing out here in the outside world of some people sort of making fun of it and some people taking it very seriously. Yeah they did get an update yesterday on the virus while the feeds were down during one of the bound things they were. They were recently updated about the virus yesterday. And that's why we're hearing a lot more talk about it so anyway. Back back to the game guys Brooke and men do have a conversation about working together. They talk about Chris and Vanessa being big targets in the house. She says the Min says that there are things about Vanessa. She didn't see before she can be really fake to people and she like she goes along with things and and really like she gets seems to get along with everybody. You know what you know what? Vanessa's like remember survivor. Vanessa's like like Vardi. Vardi putting no we talk about that real quick does she just a ver- she or maybe I tune that part out. I heard her say she. Vanessa is like and I'm like Harari Patil. That's immediately where my mind when Harry Potter. I'm trying to make this connection because I haven't I used to hearing people miss safe. Party's name but not always with that embattled. Remind wasn't until she said. Oh and I don't know who she said. I think Chris from Vanessa Vanessa pervert email and kyle was Russell. Oh maybe yes anyone else also thought that for a second I want yes so yes so apparently in is Vanessa is poverty. Poverty perhaps the best survivor player of all time. Vanessa his poverty and apparently kyle was was Russell. Does that mean? That menzies herself as as Sandra? I don't know but I thought per per Vardi was definitely an interesting. Take their on Vanessa and says that she thinks Carol doesn't want US L. Victories. She wants to get her plane ticket. Home paid for so. That's going on there. There's really not much else happening. In game. Wise Butts there was an excellent conversation between sheldon broke and hero later after min left in the Hoa Trim where they basically are just like making fun of the entire situation and trashing their own season Just I recommend watching. This is probably the most fun that you'll have watching the feeds in All Week Long. They're just like this. This is so ridiculously. Can you like three people now? Want only one person has been affected. Like are we about to hit jury. Is it gonNA nine person jury than when care leaves? We're at jury. Can you imagine like Michael is the only person that's actually been voted at House right now? Like he's Michael is the jury is just Michael. Can you imagine finale night? Finale Michael sitting down into chairs. He's just the jury by himself like this. It's ridiculous and like we probably ruined like three of their twists like we've probably screwed them up there and they talked about Carol and challenge like here. I have to tell you so. She asked to be put on the blog so that she can be victim. He cries cracking himself up. You can't even tell the stories. She comes to thirty minutes later. She's like do. I have the votes to stay against midnight like wait. What so. What are you talking about like I have been in the I've been to the doctors the Dr. I've been to the dire and I have been assured many times that everyone is mentally healthy and fit to be here. She's just being ridiculous like Creek and make fun of Greg. She's being ridiculous. This toward the storyline for the week on the show is going to be can carol make it to Thursday. I and that's a legitimate question. That people are having and they're like I. We aren't able to play the game. We did the veto. It didn't matter and at this point it's just oh my gosh. It's so many days until and if we think it so many days until Thursday imagine what Carol is. There's no way she's GonNa make it. I think she can make it. Look if they continue to play more rounds of murder and talk about. I kiss hot. Tub says they're like can. Can you imagine it would be a blindside? If we kept carol she would be blindsided. We just be like all right. You know what what we're making this a double eviction. We're taking control of show working victim in and Carol leave to double fiction. You can't stop us. I think at that point you turn a sell fiction and this is something that becomes very entertaining Here here it's like well. I could use the Chelsea side Houston veto Carol and she'd walk straight from the couch right out the door you can't because then you can't get out because they just cancel the week again but hey then showed him. I'd be able to win three inches in a row. Which would be a new record. Probably just let her walk. Just let her walk and reset the week again. And here's this like you just WanNa win h h three times. So it's like no no I am so they talk about that. They're also talk about like when they're talking about like previous seasons like it's going to be so weird on the live feeds watching people talk about us. We talk about previous seasons and Sheldon's hike. No because we're going to get the show cancelled. This is not going to be after us. Yeah Brooklyn men talked earlier in the evening when they were in the bath about being excited to watch the show when they get out and everything. This is just something everyone says when they're in the show by the time they get voted out. No I mean I. I'd love to see the stat of the number of people who play the brother and then actually go and watch all the episodes much less live feeds or anything else will. What's shell them says is watching this terrible season? I'm watching these episodes. It's Kinda suck and they also tell us. Start talking about Chris and like what a Weirdo is just like. Where did they find the sky like he was talking about how he took? It took somebody on a date and he like rented out a whole boat like a whole like like ship and they were like was this like an anniversary and here and he was like no this day. There's a he's must be loaded like what is he. What does he do like? Who is this guy and an heroes just like hold on? I gotta ask like Chris. He's a very flirty guy. Like does that work like as good that like I can't I don't can't tell like in Brooklyn. I'm not the right person to ask like. He tries to me and I just run away. Because that's Myers. But he did say. I was under the radar good-looking. So that's maybe an indication shows like here. No no he is not game. I'm like no like okay. That's what I thought but like I don't know he's like good looking guy. Yours are really really awkward conversation where Brooke was talking to Sheldon about like. How can you teach me out of flirt with Chris? Because I I don't know and showing like you just got to just got a touch. I know that you can't you can't say things and that's where you struggling. Just just touch him. More guys. Low physical contact him do the rest. And I'm like Oh that's GonNa make Vanessa Love Brooke even more if she if she used to these guys. I don't know I think it's funny. The whole thing is ridiculous but but yeah re on the other hand was like. Oh Oh talking GE money he had and and you know when he when he was in his bathing suit Angie list all in his baby blue eyes you like him. So that's fun Angie. Who's like after? We said Chris must be loaded and she was like. Oh you're into. Chris makes you like them even more like no. I'm not shallow like that. You can't fool me. I know I saw it. So that was the thing Chris by the way if you want an example of him flirting. I'm sure this clip is floating around somewhere. He was having a conversation with sue. Trying to flirt with her and he thought it would be a fun. Sexy thing to grab Angie's pillow and be like look. This is Angie and he just made out with the pillow. She was like this is disturbing. Please stop here's like this is good. This is fun So down I looked back up to him with like do pillows on top of him. Doing what is. This is passable serving. That's not that doesn't work. I if you're wondering here I I'm. I'm glad that he has this information. I think it'll be valuable for him. This married life to know not to flirt with. His wife wants to buy his wife a trip on a boat. That's probably okay. So you know if she gets seasick or not. I think she might join that. People like boats dinner cruises are always fun. Aircrews right now so now look into the future. Going to be hopeful is going to be another season. We gotta be hopeful. Yeah so You also mentioned they did play play like a murder game where they were like walking around and there was one of them were murders. I'm always like that's such a dangerous thing to do. Like playing mafia or like a murder game like that in a house like this because like you're trying to hide things in it you know you're giving away all your tells. I think it's great. I think come up with really obvious tells make people think that you're terrible thing you gotta play the game. Yeah don't do this. Here's what you shouldn't do Brooke. You should not get picked to be the murderer and then make it really obvious in have sheldon call you out and then loudly in front of everyone be like Oh sheldon you can always see my tells stops worse. Yeah all right. So that's that's that's Mary. Was there anything else that you had from from yesterday? And there's a lot of nonsense you know. I don't know if anyone else gets like this. When I'm taking notes on Joe if I like look up and I was I was switching over and also watching some of the other episodes and I like accidentally taking notes on those. What am I doing a lot of random stuff in here? That's not the only one just because I haven't been on an update yet is in my head. I have been calling the victors the eliminators. I don't know where I got that every time you were like how their lines named so bad. I'm like not that bad it's okay. Victor's is way worse. But I didn't realize that's what it was for a while and just thought thought for into my head. Anyway the meters still open for when you go on on big brother. Yeah we're GONNA do better than that going to be team Merloni. Oh again yeah. I'm still relatively enjoying watching this so far. So normally the connection the connection is made this podcast very difficult. I think we've done pretty well but that was. That was a gaffe rate so I I don't know I don't know what just happened. I just want to say again to anyone especially people who are going to come and Tom this. You can go ahead if you've left a youtube comment talking about how you don't want me on here because the connection's bad. I'M GONNA try better next week. I'm in the middle country because I didn't want to be alone and so I went back to my parents house. But maybe I'll go sit outside a starbucks because that's probably a better Internet connection. I apologise bad. Don't off of this. Yeah you look. The virus affects us all in different ways. It makes Mary's Internet slower. That's basically B Understanding about what we have and I will say that I do think that the I think I think maybe it was. Kyle I think maybe with Kyle gone. Houses is just a lot lighter. It feels more fun. They're not really playing the game right now but there are some good personalities in that house and I feel like I feel like we're doing all right given all the circumstances surrounding surrounding everything as you can hopefully tell we can still have fun with these updates at the very least and so we'll see we'll see how things go but thank you. Everyone for joining us. I'll be back tomorrow morning at eleven eastern to update and everything that happens today on the big brother candidate life also be live tonight after the episode to talk with Godfrey Men Griesa about everything. That's been happening in this house and of course Tuesday night. We'll have our next roundtable of the season for as long as the season continues to season. Sound check all of that out. You can find me on twitter at Armstrong terrified twitch twitch dot TV slash Taryn Armstrong. Mary where can people find you? You can find me everywhere at frail. Mary and I mean everywhere. Now that someone is putting me on TIC TAC. I also almost forgot to mention that. Our Own Brentwood. D'amato was took part in a mini sequester online season. Last night. He was evicted perjury. Yeah I've played this question when you first and second. So why he he almost made it to Jerry close. I think he was in the Carol spot. Think the problem was playing. He's playing a little hard playing a little too hard. I think was the problem So I'm sure we're going to talk about that on the round table so check that out. If you're I don't really know how to watch pass broadcast or anything but go to go to sequester website thing and thank you for joining us next time. This is rob sister. Nina thanking you for listening to this episode of our reality. 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Sheldon Shaw, Playwright Tips to Amplify Your Creativity - InnovaBuzz 387

"Welcome to the another bus. Podcast l. job is to help you. Visibility professional credibility and conviction with your ideal client putting human at the center of innovative marketing. So you can build and strengthen engaging enduring relationship with your ideal clients on european strauss from an overpass and honored that. You're here with me if you haven't joined our wonderful marketing. Transformation community yet go to noticeable dot c. o. And collect your free gift has well. Do subscribe to the show and also leave a review. Because it helps avas fondness. Let's get into today's masterclass on this podcast. Most important thing for me is just tried to fine time to be with yourself into understanding your conditioning. Think that will help you be comfortable with yourself and have trust in that. Your ideas are important. You know what i mean and you won't be afraid to write them down and to share them of other people If you have real convictions with them night welcome back. I hope you've had an awesome week so far. Now if you haven't yet listened to my recent conversations with podcast guesting mentor and trainer. Mike aid sing and improvise and corporate. China jillian bellinger. Then do check them out after you've listened to today's conversation of course i'm really excited to have on the another. Podcast is my guest today. Sheldon shore a playwright screenwriter and actor sheldon has performed on stage and screen for over twenty years for the last nine years. Primary passion has been writing his plays include control old brought delight gyro booed by be starbucks. Billy shelly ally glen and he's a multiple award winner for his place as well as recently being listed in time out magazine as a black playwright. Unique to know sheldon has studied theater acting and playwright adding and in addition to that he also has a b from temple university majoring in human resource administration and risk management and insurance interesting combination. Discussion denied sheldon talk to me about how observation and an interest in people is key to his creative prosise. We talked about understanding and accepting your conditioning and realizing that your ideas are important and we talked about being confident in your ideas and knowledge while at the same time open to feedback without further ado. Let's fly into the hive and get the buzz from sheldon shore. Hi i'm your host stress from another biz. And i'm really excited today to welcome to the another bus. Podcast from new york in the usa sheldon shore sheldon is an actor. Arriva and apply ride says something a little different today. Who welcome to the another bus podcast sheldon. It's like privilege is my guest Thank you very much you. It is wonderful to be here. Dr richard ovalles austin. Who is our guest on episode. Three thirty seven of the another buzz. Podcast suggested that we have a conversation with us. Sheldon's richard loe rich enriching a wonderful person. You'll you'll need richard. He's so amazing he don't need me. What's interesting. I was looking through your background. And you have a degree in risk management and insurance and human resource administration. And now you're in acting and writing plays priding screenwriting sir. How did you make that transition or was that always the pasta and the other was just a backup to get a real job if acting out. Oh no no no i think. Wish magic insurance is what troby actor and writer. Because i was going to school for business Risk management enjoyed it on paper and when we started going to do real. Live on this. What we're supposed to do for your life. And he was sitting in a place that we were looking at a fire. Hydrant and fire extinguishers on as like analyzing firing standard. How old is this. Fire extinguisher How old is this door say. Wow this is what we're going for the rest of my life of goodness and also the people involved three hours with you i. I didn't really care for but at same time in college. I was dating a woman and we had a really bad break up all that caused me. Good therapy and therapy She suggested that. I take up something creative and i came across an acting class for nights and me all the acting class and i'm sitting. There auditing acting class on the acting class. They're doing the rehearsing for a play. Her about to produce call savage limbo by patrick shanley and I mean something happens to me. That has never happened to me in class. Before i started to shane i started losing all aspects of time and it was so amazing because they were acting real life because when i thought about acting i thought it was like shakespeare musicals Does really and. But when i saw that can be it. Can it can mimic real life and people are actually having real dialogue. Getting angry one another without hurting each other. He just me. And when i left that class at like this is what i'm gonna do. The horizon my life south aspects and and and that was like twenty over twenty four years ago her on huron and so did you get into acting through that or or how did you have. I signed the rushing that day for acting class with that teacher With all he had studied in new york city at the neighborhood playhouse and he was really teaching a real acting class. And but the one thing about acting there is. There's the art to it. Which is what people think. Drive a lot of people towards acting and there's the actually trying to get jobs without business part. That's a lot different. There's some aspects you can be talented as actors you can be. You got a really difficult time. Getting jobs and survive on that with that was happening with me and one day. One of my acting teachers at the time in near city passed away and i met up with a lot of people who were In in my classes studying and we discussed about getting together and creating our own work and at this time one person particularly by riofrio good friend of mine he would just write a screenplay. Like all right i'll try and we wrote it and we filmed it and they were like wow. That wasn't too bad. And i really really enjoyed it and so i said to myself you know what he didn't take a class and writing. I really wanna continue doing this. And that's what i did. I went at. The time was at the laboratory company. I was volunteering. As usher causes the inactive theater company which is a well-known theater company is still sima hoffman's theater company and have classes and there was one class they had called Acting for a writing for actors as martha walmart and she was so sweet and gentle and she promised us after this class. You're going to write a ten minute. Play as they no way and he did a really did. And i just i was hooked and from that day on in writing he at. It's fascinating that I've had this conversation with a few people. Now that are more in spice of exploring creativity men and Highlighting that everybody has it in them to be creative and remained that these versus you can go through and what you've just described there is that there is a process that hickel teach who thames have writing creative. So what what do you think. As some of the challenges of bringing out that creativity in each of us is the fear failure. i think is a lot has lots. Do not trust in yourself. An comes allow from the conditioning of growing up. That we are supposed to do certain things to make a living and creative is a difficult thing. Impossible not make a living at it. You know what i mean. So people are put themselves out there to try to be creative. Unanimity is everything but And that's why people do what they do. I mean everyone could do it but you have to be able to really risk have really wanna do it and you can't think about trying to make a kind of living that you're raised to think you're gonna make it's going to be different. It's going to be different. And that's okay. I mean is really fulfilling for me. And i even do other jobs and i love those other small jobs you know but i still. I still act once in a while. but i think it's the fear from really doing it even in everyday life like. Oh that's too artsy. Stop doing that right now. Here is that fear of being judged. I guess Who who will saying well. I didn't like that. I didn't like that play or i didn't love it. You know. it's so funny they will tell you this. This is the problem is is people. Say anything at all. People will afraid to tell you how bad things are you know and i can relate to that. It's a little bit like on this podcast win. I'll get pickles saying that was a great conversation. I really enjoyed that. I will get occasionally people saying you didn't follow up. Who are the conversation. Went down this track and you could end up looking who veto ask a follow up. And then that's okay. Because i'm getting that feedback. It's exactly what you say it's when people don't say anything i say. What did you think of that conversation now. I know you're you're like my family member. Go say come on. I get that all the time. But it's just something you have to go through Can make you tougher. you have to go through. I mean there's a lot of failure. I mean if you wanna call them. Donald hall of that is just a learning experience. You know what i mean. You're not gonna please everyone. He just not so they'll try. It's good it's good when you can let that guy isn't it will. This is my objective. Woohoo and i know. I want everyone right. And plus the people that i think this replace mohan from that No doubt about it out of what you do learn a whole lot. You learn a whole lot about yourself. with The arts Especially when you're creating you learn a lot when you handed over to what you should always do tena some really trust for the i read. Let's say you learn about what it. Which is the most frightening frightening thing for me personally is the i read afterwards on even with someone i really trust. I'll be extremely what's going on there really thinking but once you get through that. And maybe you need to edit some more whatever's any descendants and. What was the one two people i really trust that i feel confident out in the world. And that's why and if people don't like it i like it and i know people i trust like it. He having so so what. What's your process for riding and how you started time that. Oh yeah oh. I love it. Oh for me. It's a lot about meditating. I alam meditating on power. Here's his i will. Sometimes we'll start with with two characters sometimes but usually two characters having discussion and i meditate on these characters lies who are who they are what they like people they are and i do mean to visually meditate on and then once you have that deep understanding of who these people are Before you write anything down. And then i go like what story do you wanna tell. No what am i. What am i trying to make things teens. Like of with about Money or something. That's going on wrong in the world right now. how would these two characters handle this situation. and then go meditate. That sometimes. I'll watch the whole play or screenplay from beginning to end. Just sit there and meditate on watching it from beginning to end. I might might miss some little spots here but you just see the big picture of it he before i write another word and then who us about and then use so these these characters on real funds. Yeah but then it then it will really flow. And then you want you right. He is right for you so these imaginary characters usually come from people. I know little bits and pieces of people. I know it could be half my a my father and my brother have. It can be a mix of people you know what i mean. You're so yeah but yes. It is a national people. So that's that's based on my process forgetting to a story and that's the beginning and so what inspired some of the things that you then raw tobacco ooh life. Hey shoes grown up with. They'll come up in the meditation What's going on wall break now. All of comes in october. It's like for instance just watching everyday life. A situation will happen. I wrote play once where a woman was coming starbucks for the navy i usually because i like energy people and she. I've seen her come everyday and this one day she was. She's in a hurry and or she was cited as she came in with her baby in the stroller she parked she. She went up order. Her during went sat down near the door. He called her name. She ran to get her coffee. And and start a sitting there either fixing coffee making it less feeder or whatever she's doing she left her. Maybe right by the door. And where i go to starbucks i was like you know someone crazy can come in and just feel her a great and where where i right. There's there's a shocker their. Va hospital there. is you know. There's a lot of those bellevue hospital right in that area. So a lot of people in that area. And i thought to myself what is someone came in and so her baby and that started the whole way. How would she respond. And how will the barista who she sees every day. How was she helped her or not. Help added though it was just a. It was a dramatic moment. Started a plane. I wrote it at that time. And actually thousand i play i sent in and it won a few contests right there. So creativity is all around you. Innovations all around you. Just gotta be open to you. Know what i mean. And it's kind of easier for me. Because i do not have a nine to five job and i have like i make my own schedule So that does help me a little bit. Where i can be a little freer with by thai yard but i. I really liked that. I'm looking at at that. From the outside i think will there was curiosity. They asking a what if question. Moving losing slack. You had had this vision of something bad happening. Who and you saw this moment of the woman not paying attention to the baby and and you ask the question. Yeah and then karnal sparks the the whole process and yeah that i went into like his visa was black as she worst behind the counter. And she's like basically a new york white woman. You know what i mean. What kind of conversation would they have. Something down at one point she actually tried to blame the barista for life kidnapping her baby innocent saying like you've been watching every day you know my schedule. And then it went to this whole dialogue another direction so Sir exploring the conversations that might happen. Yes definitely but you gotta be open to them to pay attention to the world. Okay so what are some of the lessons learnt in pursuing this routing you know is there any reflection on your regional career risk management and insurance or is that kind of apostolakis behind good It's a past life. Business is always involved with real world real world. You know like. I said before that the acting is learn art of but there's a business side and so that is that's always the always understand that so that's why don't get so mad jaded by because i understand business very well but one thing i've learned about the art to especially writing there's a great example i Had a moment with a big producer who it was through a friend. And they like okay. I'll read you're and i went out and met the mafia ready they're like i hated it. Basically tear it tear it up and he slayed to be wise like what. I was really confident. in you. Know it went through two phases of the people. I really trust and He said you should get rid of this. He said stornoway. No now i will not do that and then i sent it out to this theater. Companies african american india governor and called me up the night. he's like. Oh we want to do this. So i found myself like a couple months later in vermont. This and this play being performed at the greeks opera house on the saturday night. And then he got a standing ovation. But i wasn't strong enough and believe me for my convictions. I would definitely our young. You know not experience. I would've just the who pink producer. I would have definitely like. Oh my god. This must be horrible. I would have probably tore it. Are you know he. So that's how important. How important is it to really know the audience running for when you go through that process because to me. That sounds a little bit like the big producer has is audience in mind. You might have wasn't a fit for that audience and yet right. We're different into the one that you performed. In front of the theater it it really resonated ending ovation. Right right right. Who's writing for the always. Try to never think about that but I always think of my writing is really universal. In in in a way I not difficult when we never trying to think about that. When i'm writing as lay a if it resonates well with people. I trust related. And if i have a meeting and read resonates Producer my own reading resonates than i think i have the unanimity Trying to think of a time where mean there's been times when people didn't like parts of it and that's the best part of the rewriting what i mean. There might be certain parts that are not resonating. they don't seem a fit. And you know that if like free people read it and they all say the same thing you know of course feedback of hiding luckiest bid and who and perhaps this could have been different in. This way is more helpful to you then wrote a why. That's no good. Oh tell me about the alamo. Even the professional rags. S what you're gonna have to deal with so you got understand. You know an 'sometimes. That's why i think a lot. He was should produce their own. Work runs it into a lot of people like that. Who will say that. This is horrible and she's quit so really have trust in yourself traditions. Who so what. What's changed for you. In terms of the acting on the riding over the last one is at nap. fourteen months. We've been in the throes of this pandemic. um there's been a lot of reflection. There's been a lot of not writing. That's changed a lot of not doing what i was doing before because even with acting in no auditions there's been no submissions for writings. So there's been a lot of. I was so i was really the press. For three months of the beginning of the pandemic i couldn't even. I couldn't finish a one page of a newspaper or magazine lona book. I haven't read the book yet fully with you and i need the love parade. He's allies read than olive right right in the session. I i don't i don't do that anymore. Why can't you can't even go to starbucks. So that ruined my schedule. Used but That's changed a lot. I tried to zoo age. Zoom play. that was fantastic. I met a lot of people like smackers. Director is but when it came to actually doing the actual zoom play. There's no response from audience because there's no audience you can't hear anything like that work now. and some people writing like that was really good and some people don't don't wrote won't say anything so anyway that's all chains And my focus has been actually a little more on writing films. that think. that's gonna come back sooner than place. That's interesting that you mentioned. The you know the audience feedback and that might said difficult to do something online. Because i have clients to do workshops in person or have been doing in person workshops and and they made the same comment rule going online to have the presentation and that training content his suitable the do online right however. There is a high level of interaction in workshops that i do and i actually fade off. The audience in there was months. Which is what you're describing now. Yeah yeah did you have any ideas how to get some live engagement in an online spice way that doing a workshop. Or when you're doing presentational when you're doing a plight yeah exactly so. We have all been thinking about that. We have no idea had have absolutely no idea the only thing you can do. I think for place you without because every you can leave. Everyone's sound on but it's just too much south side and all these things he's got a treat it's a completely new medium like it's almost like tv show so you gotta acted like it's gonna be marino no response and you you as a writer activist half to not take personal look as a basically like a tv show with no live audience. I don't know maybe you can add a live. Audience sounds to laugh at some of the jokes just like the tv a laugh track. Maybe that's a possibility but people are just dying back out into the real world. That's what a lot of my friends. He will not use them whatsoever. Your just waiting. Some no hit back into the theater. I mean summer summer writing but a lot of hide on tv shows. So that's not working. Forget you he has going on. I guess kinda well. Tv film going easy to control endemic plane. Not so much. Yeah yeah well. The the live theaters is certainly a very different experiences notice. It's very ended on audience response and particularly if it's something that is perhaps less less structured promise point of view if it is a high level hodie. It's he engagement. That actually is part of the whole experience. How completely in some like even with comedic plays they. They know exactly where people to laugh and they fixed their scripts on that summer. So's so strict over like low cal like laughing at this point. How many people were not kidding. So yeah so things have changed and we'll see how they go. I'm not exactly sure. I don't think the answer to that one will say it but Going getting real thing. Let's hope that that can happen fairly soon. Again as good signs now with with the warm maxine available are this is just a matter of time. I'm not because. I guess you know i said lane the business world. I i say that you're going to be lot of loss-making changes. As a result of the pandemic and tickle a who use of online to use people of up to new possibilities there will wealthy say any changes in a crowded world in kind of live close associate or who work you're doing riding right transcending the pandemic psychot-. Yeah coming out of it saying well. We'll spit was actually quite good. We can continue to use this young. I think with the interview process like You can choose. You can do interviews work while pattern on line. You know what. I mean So you can like writing for tv show like i'm about the zoom interview after this that's in atlanta during So here you know what i mean. So that they're going to. I think they're gonna keep that bit any kind of job. Were you need. The figured out was like wow is working well without them which is is not night but they're going to just eliminate those little little jog. You know like how it works. Well this him being at home. You know what i mean or you don't realize you'll need that part of the job So there's a lot of jazz you don't need to be in office so i think this is like i. A lot of writers. They helped with rent. It will have to store writers in in in their studio in on the studio lots it can just work at home The problem right is that it's hard for them is hard for them to work with new writers on the show. They've already been working on at home but people who are really experience. I think they will have a benefit of having jobs ass writers. But for business yeah. I think there's a lot of jobs that are not gonna exist anymore. Certainly i think is changes coming. That will suddenly enjoy house. The pandemic you got that right. Yes knew that about it. But hopefully you'll be able to get back into starbucks soon and yeah that cravings version. I hope so. I hope so that that would be a natan. 'cause i was gonna have point early. Talked about the the pay right about the women's by being stolen. And i it sounds like you get a lot of inspiration from just observing people and then imagining. How might you know you you get an idea of what is persons a bad their values they mannerisms and behaviors that you observed and then imagining how might die reacting this imaginary situation and of that a lot of that i feel i that but also listening to how people speak and talk to one another or don't speak to certain people or pay holiday pay attention to how treat like a barista rather than having treated so as how talk on the phone with a friend family whoever they may be the you know what i mean i watch all that sort of interaction I think it's really important especially with writing and writing dialogue on how people speak to one another you know based on the mean even job title big difference between difference. Yeah some of. It may seem like it's nice but it's a fakeness getting through today. This is my routine pay by mclaughlin. Show we're gonna do some real work. But i think that all licensed real work every every moment israel you know it's it's It's great to be around people. I mean now no more than ever that is. Yeah yeah well. Let's that's i mean. I think it's been highlighted now. The most introverted of those of us like me right right exactly nas ticket or get out people. When when you can't do it you suddenly realize that something you miss or year around the same person efforts for his head root. You're like oh my god. Yeah all right well on that night this is one hold a talk about you will create your process and i think there's a lot of lessons there in terms of business and to me being observant and almost asking questions lock wadi And and then imagining other scenarios but kind of knowing a little bit about the paper let your actually portraying in that so that you can you can actually say how would sound so respond to is in russian being observant and then asking those questions asking the david questions Who a lot to me Yeah yeah and also like yeah the really listening. I think even as a business person that really really taking people in really being listening And really showing that you care that that you are listening now I think just like the people that starbucks. I don't think they listen to each other. Do you know what i mean. They're just a barista. I'm a teacher and that's it now little nicer teas and then i'm off transaction. Isn't that it. And when we don we lotta times move beyond the transactions. Burma about it yes. Yeah so listening and Really caring about people. That's a great message. I think you're aware of the time and are now you've got something important coming up so on that movement. I think it's a good time to move onto the buzzer which is our innovation round s bid which is far questions and hopefully he was some insightful. Answers that by the listeners gonda something. today's result right right right. No problem so what do you think anyone needs to do to be more innovative. What's the number one teacher i think for me is being more confident. He confident in what you know. When she believed in chinese have no worth thing and write it down. See what happens. Don't don't listen to the negative voice all this crazy now. That will never work. You never know have confidence you know you're never know. That's all righty. We're always writing crazy stuff. You never know it could worm. I've written things that were crazy as like raw. They're gonna they're gonna. They're gonna reasons. He should get rid of that but sometime now a working and writing it down. Yeah i like riding down. I think his sort of sit in value in writing things down even if it's non because you're actually writing something right no doubt about it no doubt about it yes or i know. What's the best thing you've done to develop new ideas. I think we've probably talked talked about this. A for me meditation. Let the universe flow through the ideas. Unlv open to be open to the world you now don't cuttings off based on your conditioning of life up where you grew up but the open over that that that that helped me develop ideas their ideas. I don't even know and then we even come up with the middle of night. When i sleeping a wake up with these ideas you know but i was open during the day so to me at night. Said de practicing active with practice meditation. Give you try administration Act i don. I went through a lot of. I studied buddhism a little bit for a while. But then i discovered yet as the with them ohi california the study many asian and then. I read a book by choosing christopher murphy. He's a really good he's like he don't need anyone to teach meditation. You need to find it out for yourself okay. cry will reference at Yes an hour of freedom of freedom from the known basically is trying to understand your condition know all your decision based easily on your conditioning. Life need to be aware of it. Yeah interesting moron on Now a favorite results. He is most often. Do people think it's crazy but there is an app called the most dangerous writing at mocking. Have you heard of it interesting for the most dangerous writing app is an app where he set it up on a timer. The timer I think between five and sixty minutes and you start writing and if you stop writing for five seconds erases everything you've also so that way you you get out of your head you out of your head and you just from your gut. So you go. If you you gotta sometimes bub-bubba blah but then you gotta keep writing you know and then once you become better at it you can. You can start writing stories with you. Just got to pre prepare yourself like what you're gonna write about who the characters and then you go. Just go I've written a couple faith through just that app means you seen. I've set the timer for twenty twenty minutes. A base erode a scene. I mean it's not he can edit later you get deep deep into yourself into your consciousness you to get out of get into your self conscience you know. Isn't that great. Because who essentially forces you to stop the thinking and analysis. Yes yes yet again. you're just gonna keep growing. Yes yes keep writing. Yeah it's it's a wonderful wonderful app once you get the hang of it. And there's another level to this apps was Is called the blind version where you only get to see what you're writing see less Out the check that one out in coast will link to it in. The show added a lot of lot of listeners. died produced material full moon. A business. I have the same issue. I sometimes sit down in run a blank piece of paper. And i think i need to write a blog post or are derive at this might have a topic in my head and i'll get two sentences in and and the judgment kicks in the analysis is at any good what i've written there. And then of course the the creative flow of to stop the exactly exactly exactly it goes back to really trust in what you have inside yourself were. It's worthy is worth something so just write it down. You never know. You never know where we'll never know. So that's a really good tool right. Now what's the best way to stay on track when you're working with somebody else in writing will producing apply Setting time aside setting time aside. said It doesn't matter if it's like five ten minutes set time aside to So that is consistent so you have consistency in. Just keep it as a habit. Oh most definitely yes. Zack no doubt about it. S a say that it's can do for. I am in the buzzer. And what's the number one thing anyone can do to differentiate who tell your story so you tell your story i mean you you you have you have. You are who you are. It's not your fault you were born where you're born you're born to we were born with to And that is your story so live with it. Some people i feel like are fighting who they are and who they're born to. There's nothing you can do about it. I mean so. Just tell your story and is different from anybody else story. I promise you that is the interesting thing i i always. I mean a lot of people say by yourself and done hundred a somebody else. He interesting thing i find. And you can probably relate to this said when you acting at a role it actually costs a lot of energy to act out a role. It's not you and yet people do that all the time in in real life. Yeah no doubt about it. I mean you will save a lot of energy. just be yourself. I mean it's still tired. Licensed hiring but yeah. You're right acting in. The role is is exhausting. Oh my goodness it so exhausted. Yes unless we do it for fun because we enjoy acting as overweight mcgruder idea to leave it. Yeah yeah. I don't. I don't know what to say. I feel like people feel they're gonna wanna please. Everybody was just hand. Do that this not going. He liked by everyone. Yeah all right. Well thanks sheldon. This has been absolutely fabulous now. Wiccan people find out more about you and maybe reach out and thanks for your shaved today. Sure my email is sheldon s. h. e. l. d. o. n. period rando b. r. a. n. Do at g mail dot com up. Brain is my favorite actor. My g is sheldon shawl three three to four m. i linked tree is at shelbourne brando. Rando again be my favorite actor of not everywhere. But yeah okay. We'll include links to those in the show notes that we could explore some brand references as we go back to what it what was it straight. Kaanai design was one of the most On aware and then of course the end. We could godfather ones. Didn't yeah the streetcar. Like i was watching. That and i was looking down is black and white one of my first studying acting. I'm looking down. When his. And then i hear this voice. Zaka of leg reminded me of my mother's boyfriend he did. He's a real person. Wonderful right now do you. Any parting advice should luckily listeners. Today i think about the most important thing for me is Find time to be with yourself into understanding your conditioning. I think that will help you be comfortable with yourself and have trust in at your ideas are important. You know what i mean. When raid to write them down and to share them mo other people If you have real convictions with them and learn with producers one of them was like thank. Goodness a had a leaf britain. I mean he. He just didn't see he didn't understand what was salami. Yeah that that's a really great point having belief in in your ideas and things to share that that will not allow ourselves to be somebody that just put you down like that with faculty and also there's another part of that is dopey so the hold onto idea so strongly don't like they don't work sometimes nakayama work something got it might not be that bad. It's just might not be the right time. The vision that comes into the awareness part as well knowing when so knowing when to say will that feedback. I'm going to ignore that because believe it. And and there's actually no value to that oleg says it's not good but at the same time if somebody then comes back and says well he added. They saw much wrong with this play. And its ib say that that you don and then hang onto a because you realize that all maybe need to change dna. And if i do that it's rewriting the whole thing rewriting all in the so yes. He's s. That's what i have wonderful. All right well Fondly then sheldon who or get on this show and why who. I have a man named kelsey warren. He's now he's different different than the business people but he is innovator of music he's a musician and i see them through all the years He does rock music and he insisted have known for many years and at times have changed from music so much where he had to change. What transformed what he does to you know. Go with the time i've seen him. Transplant transform transform. He produces music. He right throw the people But i've never seen someone so more innovative than him. You know i really suggest. Yeah i think a lot. I think a lot of people would learn a lot even a business. People learn a lot from his. You know his his drive to be innovative. Hurricane will we'll get an introduction to kelsey from you and and see if we can get him on the show as well. Yeah no problem whatsoever. Thanks so much for sharing your time and your insights with us today. It's spain a fascinating expiration. The creative process from view of someone producing material for theater applies for screen. And they as well answer a wish all the best of the future and let's take attach he asked they'll yes definitely is really nice talking you. Thanks show them. Hope you enjoyed that insightful. And really informative conversation with sheldon and took something away from his episode. Now this was a different kind of gifts that we've had before because we focused very much on sheldon's creative process and he's mindset for riding character pieces which i think is something we can learn from an apply to creative endeavors in business too. I'd love to know what you took away from sheldon's episode leave a comment below the blog. 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New York State of Crime - Two Men in a Cell | 4

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"This episode contains some strong language. It's April two thousand thirteen clear and chilly as if winter is trying to claw back a little bit it of spring. That New Yorkers have started to enjoy for the last few weeks and inside the offices of Dean scallops the most powerful Republican in the state the mood is grim. scelo spent another sleepless night worrying about his son Adam. He's running out of money again. Over the years. Adam has struggled with drugs and alcohol staying in school and holding down a job. Dean has tried to help him even using his influence to get him work but at thirty two adam still struggling and as a single father dean skeleton feels obligated to help skeletons runs his hand through his thick grey hair then reaches for his phone to call Charles Dorigo a senior executive at Glenwood management. One of New York's top real estate developers Glenwood also happens to be one of the state's top political donors. They have given millions of dollars in campaign funds to the three most powerful men in New York Politics Andrew Cuomo Sheldon silver and eighteen skeletons himself in exchange. The firm has been granted access and favor but today that access is going to have far reaching consequences. Senator scallops how are you. I'm Charles. I just wanted to thank you again for helping Adam. Land the consultant job with APP. I think it's GONNA work out well for everybody but but I need a favor favor Charlie. We need to get attic salary up four grand a month just isn't cutting it. Adams got two kids a mortgage and well money's tight Durango size. He's gotten a lot of these calls from Senator Skeleton. The last two years he even secured Adam Twenty Thousand Dollars Commission for work he never ever did. Why are Adam scalise? Money problems his problems but he knows the answer. Glenwood has a lot of business before the state Senate majority leader. SCALLOPS has a lot of influence. Senator I can try but he has no experience in the environmental space well. He's a quick learner. Now about this water project deal. The company Aztec has submitted a bid for a twelve million dollar water treatment contract with Nassau County. Scala's home turf and to Rego's company Glenwood is invested in the deal skeletons cuts to the chase he can make it happen for Nixon. I would hate eight to see things. Go South for your voice senator. You assured us that if I helped get Adema job you'd help us with the contract now. I'm asking you to bump up his salary laureate touch. Charles Dora go hangs of the foams Gallo. He feels trapped reluctantly. He opened his computer to compose a letter to Glenn Rink APTEX. CEO A young. There's no gray area here it's pain or don't play American scandal sponsored by the capital one Walmart rewards card introducing the capital one walmart rewards card earn five percent back at Walmart online games for the kids headphones for that. A laptop for mom doesn't matter you get five percent back at Walmart online. You'll also learn two percent at Walmart in store restaurants and travel and one percent everywhere else. That's when you want all that you need the capital one remorse car capital one walmart rewards card. What's in your wallet? Terms exclusions apply capital one and a from wondering. I'm Lindsey Graham and this in American scandal. This is the fourth and final episode in our series about crime and corruption. In New York's capital of all in our last episode governor. Andrew Cuomo created the Commission to investigate corruption in state government. Finally someone was doing something to clean up the political cesspool. But then nine months later Cuomo abruptly shut it down after closed-door budget session with Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver and Senate majority leader Dean scallops. The three men in a room had come to a consensus about CUOMO's ethics reform package and the commission was no longer needed but there's one federal prosecutor who has no intention of letting go and if he doesn't want to clean its own house then pre are are will do it for them. This is episode. Four two men in a cell mm-hmm the Manhattan offices of the. US Attorney for the Southern District of New York are stark and cold but the career prosecutors who inhabit let them have much more important things on their minds than office decor the southern district call the SDN y attracts the best and brightest from the country's finest law schools. They're like a legal special OPS unit laser focused on anybody breaking federal laws. Their specialty is prosecuting mobsters. Terrorists terrorists white collar criminals on Wall Street and corrupt politicians on Thursday April tenth. Two thousand fourteen the district's top off lawyer. US Attorney prepaid. Harare is in his office pacing. His red ties loosened his sleeves rolled up ever since he got the news that Andrew Cuomo no had shut down the Moreland Commission. He's been limited. He thinks the public interest was bargained away behind closed doors in a meeting between the three men in a room the most those powerful politicians in Albany and as US attorney in the equally powerful southern district of New York he intends to do something about it. Legislators in Albany with something something to hide may have thought they could breathe a sigh of relief with the commission off their backs but they were wrong right now across town a handful of FBI and SDN. Why agents are emptying out the offices of the Moreland Commission under orders to cart away every computer and every box of documents collected over the course of their nine month investigation into public corruption? FREE BARS team is standing by to receive dozens of interviews and depositions with former and current legislators and other public officials received through over two hundred subpoenas and he fully intends to examine every campaign donation every piece of suspect legislation every reference to anything the mildly whiffs of wrongdoing at the Capitol whether Vars crack team will find anything that will help them finally bring top lawmakers to justice too soon to tell but for Berrara known. Jonas the enforcer it won't be for lack of trying over the next few months brewers team began sifting through the millions of documents documents. And they quickly find. There's a lot to be suspicious about things like lawmakers who spent campaign dollars on trips to cocoa tanning salon sessions and even even cat food but Berrara isn't interested in that he searching for evidence of bigger misdeeds bid rigging bribes solicitation and influence peddling settling the New York state legislature works part time and many office holders have other jobs the temptation to blend the two for personal gain is big sheldon silver. The powerful speaker of the Assembly has an outside job at a law firm called whites and Luxembourg. What Barack team doesn't know is exactly how much he makes or what he does? So like the Moreland commissioners before them they follow the money and subpoena whites and Luxembourg for their accounting records. What they find is that silver receives not only a base salary but has also receive more than three million dollars in referral fees over the years from cases involving cancer patients Nearly all of them have been treated by a doctor named Richard Taub. When investigators interviewed Dr Town they learned he referred in cases? Two silvers firm exchange silver funneled. Half a million dollars from a State Healthcare Fund to Thomas Clinic No oversight no records a classic case of quid pro quo and that's not silvers only lucrative scheme in December the SDN y turns up another suspicious arrangement an obscure to person law firm has been paying silver substantial fees which he did not reveal on his income filings. And it's not clear what if anything he's been doing doing for them. Silver is a personal injury lawyer. The firm specializes in real estate tax abatement which silver knows nothing about what on Earth are. Are they paying him for when reporters press him for answers. Silver refuses to talk. He's indignant defensive insists he's following the long. Aw but that law is easy to follow. It allows legislators to earn as much money as they want from whomever they want without reporting what they're doing to earn it as long as that money doesn't influences job at the capitol. What silver is doing is perfectly legal and silver swears? None of his outside clients have any business before for the state but investigators soon learn. That's not true. The senators earnings from that small real estate firm are the result of a kickback scheme involving one of new. York's most influential real estate developers. Flynn would management Lennon's name cropped up during the Moreland Commission. It was involved in that ABC. Investment scalise was calling about and it's impossible to deny the glenwood has plenty of business with the state of New York. It's the connection. Berrara needs to show that sheldon silver side. Hustles aren't simply shady. They're illegal at midnight. January twenty second two thousand fifteen the New York Times signs posted a story online says the FBI will be arresting Sheldon silver the next day on corruption charges despite the late hour news gets lawmakers makers in Albany buzzing phone calls are made rumor circle and there's a growing sense at this time shell silver might be in for details about what the charges are vague. The two things are clear. Free Berrara is about to get his New York. State capital might soon be under new management. Legislators slater across the state stay up all night trying to digest the news and wonder who will be left in charge sheldon silver is awake due to not getting much sleep at eight in the morning he put on a dark soothed. Black Fedora takes a car to the FBI offices in Manhattan and surrenders. Silver is a career politician with over thirty eight years in office. He rose through the ranks to the top leadership role where he ran the assembly for more than twenty years. He survived challenges to his seat questions about his income and calls for his ouster. He never imagined a moment where he gave himself up to the fence. But at age seventy one. That's exactly what he's doing. Horde of reporters are there to greet silver in front of the FBI offices in Manhattan photographers snap photos of his inscrutable face as agents put him in handcuffs. Help him into the backseat of a White Chevy Malibu. It's a humiliating moment for the speaker. Later that day at the nearby courthouse silver is booked on five counts of federal corruption including mail fraud wire fraud and extortion his fingerprinted and then released on two hundred thousand dollars bail while he awaits trial on his way out of the courthouse. Silver tells the waiting reporters in a clear voice. I am confident. I will be vindicated shortly after silver's arrest test prep Aurora calls a press conference where his team of agents and investigators stand at the front room facing reporters. Good afternoon. Everyone my name is pre great Berrara. And I'm the United States turn for the Southern District of New York today. We unseal a criminal complaint charging the longtime leader of the New York State State Assembly Sheldon Silver with public corruption speaker silver surrendered to the FBI in Manhattan earlier this morning and and we expect him to be presented in federal court this afternoon. For many years New Yorkers have asked the question how could speaker silver over one of the most powerful men in all of New York earned millions of dollars and outside income without deeply compromising his his ability to honestly serve his constituents. Today we provide the answer. He didn't Berrara outlines all five charges. Together they paint a picture of a cynical politician profiting from his office. Harare also announces that the feds have frozen accounts announce holding three point. Eight million dollars of silver's ill-gotten gains which were spread across eight different accounts in six different banks. It's been a bad day for Sheldon Sheldon Silver for sure. Not only is he under arrest but now his ATM card won't even work. A reporter asked Berar if he is satisfied with the silver indictment and if he is finished as working Albany Ferrara respond with leading. Words are unfinished fight against public corruption. Continues you should stay. Tuned and the capitalism chaos rumors. Flying People are in tears. One assemblywoman calls for a moment of prayer. It's like a bomb exploded exploded and the pieces are raining down. Lawmakers Heads Newspaper editorial boards across the state call for silver's resignation but will sheldon silver resign. The governor's office is also struggling with how to respond to the news criminal. Complaint has not only fingered silver directly. Would it puts governor Cuomo into the line in a fire to buy alleging that the two politicians made a deal to kill the Moreland Commission. CUOMO is indignant. He tells a New York reporter. There is no cover-up overa- he knows nothing about silver's activities. He says if Anthony Weiner shows his private parts. You Blame Obama. These are criminal acts of individual. Legislators what would you have me do what could he do. Maybe revive the Moreland Commission but the reporter politely refrain from making that suggestion. Back in Manhattan Sheldon Silver is planning a cool on Saturday morning. He attends Sabbath services just as he does every Saturday he declined an offer of prayer from the rabbi. By saying no need not. Now on Sunday night word reaches legislators in Albany that silver's devising a plan for five of his allies to handle his duties during the storm while he retains office and title. But this doesn't sit well with several lawmakers on Monday just before noon Assemblyman Keith right issues. Choose a statement calling for silver to step down that afternoon Monday. January twenty six seventy speaker silver enters a conference room and Albany's as Capitol building for the weekly meeting some lawmakers embrace him murmuring encouragement other reach for his hand a few refuse to meet his eyes silver clears his throat and starts the meeting with a Monday afternoon tradition. Happy Birthday to all the members celebrating this week. He looks around the room. You Joe Right Happy Birthday and as you probably know. The Southern District of New York has issued a complaint against me. I would like to state for the record that I am innocent of these charges. I have served this body honorably and in good faith for the last twenty one years. I'm going to beat this. The Room is silent. Several people look at the ground and embarrassed as a speaker continues and I would like to stay on serving the people of New York as I always have. The room remained silent. Would you you like me to step out so that you can discuss this without me present when no one responds silver heads for the door to a smattering of applause. Over the next five hours. The members debate whether to ask for silver's resignation. Finally a decision is made. One of the assemblymen heads is to silver's office to give him the news. He tells them He. Sorry but silver has lost the confidence of his fellow Democrats. They'd like him to step down a new speaker. We'll be elected the following week late the next day. Silver looking every day of his seventy one. Years Shuffles towards the elevator reporters demand to know whether he'll cooperate silver snaps. I will not hinder the process. Then the elevator doors close behind him. Twenty one year reign of one. 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I thank that if I'm dean scales. I'm hiring council tonight. Because in all likelihood he's got the same shelly. Problem and in all likelihood will be arrested or indicted. The only question is our next issue near deans. Carlos isn't sure what Berar and his team have on him but if they found out about the the jobs who's arranged for his son Adam both father and son could go down hard. SCALISE has been trying to make Adam lay low but nobody not even Dean can control his son. Now he's worried about wiretaps. Adam encourages his father to learn how to use facetime and switched to a burner phone one. He believes CBS can't be tapped but he is wrong. prepere are and his team have been listening in on father and sons conversation since just before Christmas so far. They've only heard a lot of complaining about Cuomo and Dean Scheming with his son about how he can divide and conquer the Democrats but Berrara is still listening. The as the winters on Dean tries to act like everything's normal leads Senate Republicans in session as he always has but it's not easy with with silver gone. There's a feeling of paranoia in the halls of the Capitol then on March twenty eighth. Two Thousand Fifteen scelo says working through budget numbers when the phone phone rings Adam. And he's in a foul profane mood. Dad I need your help I gotTa Talk to You Adam. I'm in Albany. I'm trying to finalize the budget. I have no time right now. It's really important at spout. Haptic and you know we can't talk about that but Adam won't shut up. Damnit DAD had. You can't give me real advice about the problems. We're having with ABC anymore. You can't talk normally because it's like fucking prefer Ara is listening to every fucking phone call fucking frustrating. It is that call like several before is caught on tape. And it's that call. That prepere are will later. I say is the moment he knew that father and son definitely had something to hide. Then Berrara gets another gift. Glenwood Management Executive Charles is willing to cooperate. The same Charles Director who for years had been fielding Dean skeletons calls to help his son get a job and then a raise at a firm firm. Glenwood has an interest in Aztec Drago's job at Glenwood is to hire lobbyists and spread campaign donations wherever the money will do the most good cuomo silver scallops have all been on the receiving end of Glen Woods. Largesse hang politicians is a long standing tradition. Started by Glenn Woods owner Leonard Whitman. WHO's now one hundred years? Old Glenwood was able to get around campaign finance laws by contributing money through a maze of twenty six. LLC's and those donations have paid the company back thousands of times over over time they've received tax breaks worth seven hundred million dollars. Tour's team it looks a lot like Glenwood is buying influence. And that makes Charles de Reagan. Nervous what the firm has done is technically legal. But only we technically and to radio doesn't want spotlight put on the company or his one hundred year old mentor when the NY prosecutors finally meet with Deroga- tell him they are naming litwin as a co-conspirator in the case they are building against Dean and Adams gallows but Durango can save litwin from prosecution if he agrees agrees to cooperate and wear a wire. Durango never imagined he be on this end of cloak and dagger type stuff. He was just trying to do his job. Make make sure glenwood prospered and scales. Didn't punish the firm but he agrees to the deal begins to share everything he knows less than a month later later on May fourth two thousand fifteen prepere are takes the podium in the pressroom offices of the Southern District of New York and finally puts the whispers and rumors to rest district of New York. Today we unseal a criminal complaint against the majority leader of the New York State Senate Dean scallops and his son Adams Carlos charging them with public corruption offenses in summary. The complaint charges in six counts the Dean scallops unlawfully lawfully used his power and influence as Senate majority leader repeatedly to illegally enrich his son Adam and indirectly himself race to call in the story in the news quickly spreads across the state then the country they gave us breaking news majority leader of the New York State Senate and his son are Oren. SBA custody right now on federal corruption charges Skill Olson. It's absolute power to environmental company in a Big New York developer with the understanding that they steer money toward his son. Adam around two hundred thousand dollars all told the younger skeleton faces similar charges to his father. They're both released pending trial. What is going to be an anxious? Wait the same day. Several legislators call call for skeleton to step down from his leadership post but many Republicans close ranks after a four hour meeting. They assure scallops he still has their confidence. The skeleton tells the press he staying on for one very simple reason he's innocent and then he says it again three more times but scallops reprieve. We've doesn't last on May eleventh under growing pressure. He's asked to step down agrees he tells reporters then it was the right decision to step aside. Quite frankly I think I was somewhat of a distraction. Incredibly Dean schedules is the fifth consecutive. Senate majority leader to go down in the face of criminal corruption charges in less than six months two of the most powerful men in New York state legislature have been charged with multiple felonies Six months later on November second two thousand fifteen sheldon silver's corruption trial begins at the Thurgood Marshall Courthouse in Lower Manhattan adjacent adjacent to the district. He still represents although silver resigned his position as speaker he still retains his seat in the assembly pending the outcome of his trial. If he's convicted convicted he will immediately be expelled from the legislature. Those are the rules rule. Silver we'll have to abide by for a change. He's facing seven corruption charges and all including extortion money laundering and wire fraud. They carry a potential penalty of one hundred thirty years in prison. A jury of nine women and three men. We'll determine his fate silver arrives at the courthouse wearing a dark suit. Fedora hat in his hands again photographers are there to greet him. When when asked predict how the trial will go silver says firmly? I will be vindicated. After a full airing of the facts in opening statements federal prosecutors contend that Shell them silver is a garden variety crook who sold his office to the highest bidder. They say that over a ten year span silver accepted kickbacks and bribes totaling nearly four four million dollars including money tied to a luxury real estate firm. Silvers attorney vehemently denies the charges. He claims conflicts of interest are just part of the job. But that doesn't mean silver. Did anything illegal. Then the prosecution calls at I witness assemblywoman. Amy Paulin the attorneys. Want explain to the jury how Albany works when asked who control the committee chairmanships. She says silver staff hires silver seating eating arrangements and budget negotiations silver. She explains all major legislation including budget was done by silver's office at the behest of silver himself. Only after he finds it with Cuomo and skeletons. The jury mix furtive glances at one. Another is really how their state government works. Uh three days into the trial. The prosecution puts their key witness on the stand. Dr Robert Tom Seventy nine year old cancer researcher who's been granted immunity unity. The Prosecution contends that silver secretly funneled state funds to the doctor's clinic in exchange for patient. Referrals two silvers. Law Firm whites and Luxembourg earn Taub. Avoid eye contact silver as he tells the prosecutor about the arrangement over the course of several years he referred nearly two dozen patients and silver got got him transfer five hundred thousand dollars. He admits he found it. Peculiar that silver asked him not to divulge the source of the money but he needed to carry on his work. People's lives lives were at stake and he was unaware that silver getting kickbacks on day seven of trial prosecutors introduced yet another kickback scheme. A fee sharing arrangement with luxury real estate developer Glenwood management the same glenwood management. Who has been helping Berrara? In his case against Adam and Dean scallops the prosecutors prosecutors showed the jury a letter outlining how silvers scheme worked in exchange for a cut of Glen Woods business through a small offer silver uses political influence for favorable favorable legislation. Silvers prospects for acquittal appear to be diminishing by the day in closing arguments prosecutor. Andrew Goldstein sums up up. The government's case by saying this ladies and gentlemen was bribery. This was extortion. This was corruption the real deal. Do not let it stand and the defense insist silver did nothing illegal and the charges were a tremendous blow for someone who fought for the people of New York for a long time after over over a week of testimony afraid of witnesses and a significant body of evidence silvers reputation and his freedom are in the balance now and it's up to the jury American scandal sponsored by mail. Chimp the strategy set. 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Pri Pera quietly slips into here their decision the judge judge asked the forewoman if the jury has reached a decision she tells the court that they have and then she begins reading each account and one after the next the pronouncement is the same. The Jury Finds Sheldon Silver Guilty Silvers wife Rosa and his daughters. BREAK DOWN IN SOBS. Silver overlooks back at them. Sadly but there is nothing he can do silvers lawyers tell the judge they will file for appeal and ask that silver remained free on bond. The judge agrees he's such a sentencing date of May two thousand sixteen enough time to mount the appeal but there will be no return to Albany for Sheldon silver. He is immediately expelled from the assembly. Now all he can do hope that the appeal process works favor or throw himself at the mercy of the court after congratulating his team Pri Pera leaves the courtroom with a spring in his step when reporters asked his reaction. He says today Sheldon Silver got got justice and at long last so did the people of New York but silver's isn't the only corruption trial happening at this time as his verdict verdict is handed down former Senate majority leader. Dean scallops is in the third week of his own federal corruption. Trial right across the street. He and his son are charged. Art With six felony corruption counts including conspiracy bribery and extortion. That two of the state's most powerful elected officials are on trial. Simultaneously on the same block is unprecedented in New York history and a testament to the hard work of creeper ours team when scalise exits the courtroom room after today's testimony. He's a cost by reporters who want to know what he thinks of silver's guilty verdict. He doesn't want to contemplate it instead he points hopefully to former Senate that majority leader Joe Bruno who beat the rap he says Joe Bruno was a good friend of mine too. He was acquitted but deep down. SCALISE is worried about the outcome of his trial about his son's future and it doesn't look good on the third day of testimony the jury. Here's the wiretap conversations between Dean scallops and his son the calls are damning an inside look into the machinations of the senators mind as he complained about Cuomo and schemed about ways to divide the Democrats. But that's small beans compared to the recorded calls that show scallops using his influence to benefit. Adam the next day Charles de Rego from glenwood testifies at scalise badgered him to find a job for his son then went to Reagan. Got Him the job. At abject Adam conspired with Dora go to remove APP tech's CEO Glenn Rink from the Board and replace him with Adam himself. Even though Adam was caught on tape saying I literally no nothing about water or any of that stuff glenn rink gets on the stand to and talks about the e mail he got from Durango saying of Adam wasn't paid more money. They're twelve million dollars. Storm Water Treatment Contract with the state might go south. He likened it to a death threat certainly a death the threat to his business in the coming days it goes from bad to worse on day. Eleven Anthony Bonomo testifies but no mo is the CEO of a medical equal malpractice firm and Adams boss as his third. No show job. He tells the court he was afraid to fire at him even though he had good reasons to want him gone one they were paying him. Seventy thousand dollars a year and he hardly ever showed up to when atoms immediate supervisor told him he needed to come to work at least every every once in a while Adam threaten to smash in his head saying that guys like him couldn't shine my shoes but still but no kept atom on the payroll liberal fearing he'd lose access to skeletal or worse that the senator would retaliate for Bono. Seventy eight grand. A year was just the price of doing business in Albany. Nearly two weeks after the trial began the government recipe case in closing arguments. The prosecutor reminds lines the jury of everything they've heard testimony from twenty witnesses and recorded conversations between a father and son that add up to a single conclusion. Dean Scala's US one of the most powerful political offices in the state to fund his son's Life Style and what he did was extortion. The defense argues that that the prosecution has presented little in the way of real evidence other than the lies of a couple of self serving witnesses the also contend that whatever Dean scalise did to help his son Find Employment appointment was never attached to any quid. Pro Quo deal. He was merely a loving father trying to provide for his son as any father. Would it takes the jury two who days but they reach a unanimous verdict. Both Dean and Adams Gal are guilty of all six charges while Jeff yet. Another politician Titian is now a convicted felon. That wants three men in a room while that's dwindling down to only one tonight this after state Senate Majority Leader Dean. SCALLOPS is found found guilty of corruption charges during a federal trial. He was found guilty by a federal jury. New Yorkers are happy to see their states corrupt. Politicians finally being held accountable. Less happy are sheldon silver and dean and Adams gallows who now await sentencing for their crimes on May Third Two Thousand Sixteen Sheldon Silver is sentenced to twelve years in federal prison. He has also ordered to pay a fine of nearly two million dollars and return earn another five point three million dollars in ill-gotten gains six months later on December eleventh just in time for Christmas Dean Scelo is given a five five hundred thousand dollar fine and a five year sentence but Adam gets a little something extra in stocking when the judge gives him six and a half years and Adam and his father must forfeit or fit three hundred thousand dollars. The salary from Adams no show jobs but this story has one more brief reversal of fortune as winter gives wave to spring and then summer in two thousand sixteen sheldon silver and denounce gallows get the biggest break of their lives just one month after Sheldon silver sentenced the US Supreme Court hands down a ruling that narrows the definition of federal public corruption as a result the US District Court of appeals overturns the convictions mixture of all three men. Looks like the three convicted felons will go free on a technicality. Silver and scalise can't wait to gloat in the press US praising the wisdom of the Supreme Court and thanking their attorneys for proving their innocence the dark cloud of despair has lifted. The blue skies. Don't last very long. Pre Berrara immediately announces that his office will retry all three men and he's confident that he'll get convictions. Again and by the time silvers retrial rolls around in May of two thousand eighteen. Pri Pera is no longer the US attorney for the southern district a march eleventh two thousand Seventeen Gene President Donald trump fires brar along with forty five other federal prosecutors appointed by the Obama Administration after he refuses to resign but the southern within district is not an entity that depends on only one man they press forward on May eighteenth two thousand eighteen after a two week. Long trial. The jury files AL's back into the courtroom with their verdict sheldon silver. Now seventy four years old is found guilty on all seven counts again. The the judge allow silver to remain free on bond until sentencing. Silver later writes a letter to the judge begging for mercy saying he sorry and claiming that he has already already lost everything. He's been punished enough. He's afraid of dying and jail. What he apparently doesn't do though is admit any crimes at at the sentencing hearing silvers attorney suggest probation and community service? It's a nice hail. Mary but Unsuccessful Judge Valerie. CAPRONI call silvers crimes a case of unmitigated greed and then hands down a sentence of seven years but silver won't yet see the inside of a cell. A Federal Appeals Court decides. Silver can remain free on bail until his attorneys appeal. They have until December third two thousand eighteen if the core takes his appeal silver might against lip free. But if they don't silver will finally have to surrender and serve his time dean and Adams Scelo. Don't fare any better in their retrials. Both are found guilty of all the original corruption charges scallops bags for leniency. The judge grants it sort of on October. Twenty fourth two thousand eighteen seventy year old. Dean skeleton was sentenced to four years and three months in prison. Nine months less than his versuns- when handing down her sentence the judge tells tells him you did immeasurable damage to New York citizens confidence in the integrity of their government. His son Adam does not come to court to see his father. It's reported ordered that their relationship is strained scallops looking sad and tired claims remorse. Especially for the harm. He caused his family. He says to the judge I apologize with all my soul your honor and then with his voice cracking. He asked for mercy for his son. My son Adam I love him more today than yesterday. I always tried to protect him and I failed. Although our relationship is strained. Help one day it will be restored. Skeletal remains free on bail as his lawyers. Get to work appealing the second conviction. If it's denied scallops will have to surrender on January January eighth two thousand nineteen in a separate hearing later that afternoon Adams Carlos also asks for leniency citing progress in his battle with substance abuse he tells the judge that he and his new fiancee are expecting a baby. He also says he's truly remorseful. The judge appears to believe him. She sentences him to four years a two year reduction from the previous judgment. Both Dean and his son are free on bail pending appeal. When asked about his father other Adam tells reporters? We don't talk anymore. That's a loss. I thought I would only experience in depth on the heels of the scale of sentencing. A familiar refrain echoes through the halls of Albany. Senators chastised Gallos calling his actions and abuse of Public Trust. Lawmakers feverishly promised to root out corruption protect taxpayer money improve state laws. One senator takes the opportunity to make a bold. If very familiar in your statement. Improvements must immediately be made to state law to strengthen our corruption laws and to empower local prosecutors to go after dirty politicians. The time time for reform in New York State was yesterday since two thousand six more elected officials have been convicted of corruption in the state of New York than in any other state in two thousand eighteen alone seven. 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207 Sheldon Adelson

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207 Sheldon Adelson

"Welcome to the mccomb. Israel teachers lounge podcast where we connect students and listeners. To what's happening in israel and give you instructions behind the headline. I'm your host michael burke here as always with co hosts allen goldman. How're you doing okay mic. Well that's good today. Our top yes it is. It's covert okay Today's topic we're going to discuss. The passing of sheldon adelson major financial benefactor political activists and somewhat controversial figure in american and israeli politics allen. Would you please introduce our guest for today. Yeah it'd be happy to or very honored and privileged to welcome jacob mcgee who is. Us correspondent for the times of israel to share with us his wisdom and a little bit of his understanding of Sheldon dawson's place in jewish community and in israel and and his influence so Welcome jacob michael. Thanks for having me. Yeah well you i for me. It was a great piece of somebody. I've been paying attention. He's a famous figure. And i found your piece. Actually informative enlightening. So can you just for our listeners. Who aren't as familiar with the name. Would you be able to just give us a quick overview of who sheldon adelson is sure social nails. His was The owner of the las vegas sands hotel casino system billionaire but also brooklyn native or boston native. That grew the son of a taxi driver in kind of a little bit of a rags-to-riches story To become the the casino. Mogul that kind of we know today mainly we know about him from his contributions to the republican party on most recently to donald trump in the tens of billions and even gotten told to hundreds of millions of dollars on and then of course as well to to israel beit through threw his support for prime minister. Now but also just general causes throughout the country. Or the reo medical school in in the west bank various causes all throughout the country That he's given hundreds of millions of dollars to over the years now. Do you think that you can separate his philanthropy from his political activism or are they always sort of joined at the hip I think it's hard for most people to do that. I think that what can what can be separated is that he did give to causes again. Like you advocate sham. And it wasn't just like the to have a hall named after him or his wife miriam It was also giving funds to the to the maintenance staff at things that weren't always getting like the the the most sexiest titles or or or on parts of the yad vashem brand He was giving lots of money to for example. He paid for his hotel in las vegas. He paid for all the staff to continue getting healthcare and and and their their salaries during the during the pandemic Was publicized but again this not the typical things you might have made from when you hear about sheldon adelson on the other hand. Though most of his money was very much the vast vast vast majority of it was very very political causes And very much influencing both us in israel politics so for people especially on the center or left. It's very he's he's a very controversial figure. I mean I mean in. Israel i mean. Clearly he he. he bankrolls. israel's most Popular daily which is a free paper. The israeli yo- research paper which is Pretty controversial right It's got the nickname of beaten which is a combination of bb telling the newspaper. Because it's kind of seen by most even people on the right Neftali bennett criticized. It is kind of just being like pravda. So does he ivy door lieberman now. Obviously these are people that have bone to pick with the our but the it's pretty wide. We understood that. This is a very much a pro-netanyahu newspaper mouthpiece some would say i mean you can just see it. In the way the headlines are are crafted The emphasizing the quote in response to the negative an incident that it might have happened. It's always focused on the positive netanyahu angle or downplaying. If there's something that happens makes likud tenure. Look bad it'll get buried on page twenty two Things like that that it just very obvious but if you're a critical reader of news which most of the world not necessarily there's nothing wrong with not always being on the top of what's going on. It's it's just something that's passed out to for free. It's got they've had their own kind of distribution system that is distributed everywhere on public transport in his pick it up on their way home from base. And that's what they're reading and that's but the lens that they're able to understand what's going literally tree people in red overall stand around handing out free papers to people as they walked out. You don't even have to go to a new stem exactly. Yeah i mean when. I came back from four years in tel aviv. They had a guy that was literally a outside my apartment building so it was kind of convenient but also like that very much influences the the way that people and not only did it affect how people by the news but it it. It really totally destroyed destroyed. It really diminished the competition because it's hard to compete with someone who's giving out free newspaper to freedom. Freedom house ranks the level of democracy and freedom in countries reduced. Israel's freedom score because the freedom of the press corps dropped because it's one of its bestselling newspapers is a paid for its framed as journalism. But it's it's paid for arguing for the netanyahu perspective and since that's what israel is reading that we lost our freedom of speech score that that this is a politically motivated. Lord lowered it we we still ranked as a free the freedom of the press but we lost points but they do have some left wing. Commentators donna delete. I'm not sure if he's still there but was was there. I think he is still there and was for them. He's a pretty big. bb critic. They do have their their their maybe could say token like every paper does But the the the corruption case into now is now been charged with case two thousand kind of details the I think it's hundreds of phone calls. He's had dozens of phone calls alone exaggerate with the with the editors of israel heo on a regular basis trying to just really get involved in how the paper was was Was portraying him and his wife and his and his family and his policies and it's hard to argue that he wasn't crossing a line or just the paper. General was not an accurate representation of the israeli politics. Of course the way it is an influence the discourse right in with all everything that you guys said the influence it has on a discourse because this is setting the agenda of what people reading therefore others have to respond to other news outlets. Or what have you respond to it so well. Self part of the part of the corruption charges in babies indictments was calling another news organization you. Do and leveraging distribution of ucla. Yom too you know. I'll i'll reduce that distribution if you it's more complicated than apple use a distribution. It was also. It was also require them to charge money so they could be Balanced playing field a little bit. So everyone If everyone's has to charge maybe that will allow other the audio which is also very a Has its own each does well. That's kind of another issue with israeli on media and a lot of ways that there's not very rarely can you find that thank Newspaper which doesn't have a very clear genda that even at even there's a difference between During right versus being. I think oftentimes a lot of places sensationalized for just dramatic effected for also in an attempt to get yours. So that's a problem. Aditorial pages or and correct so every issue when they become more than just the fact that the prime minister of the state has communication with that particular oregon it lacks independence as a journalist up standout for all the other issues you know that journalists and faces there was even a strange. You mentioned in your piece. The strange interaction. That sarah netanyahu had with miriam adelson could count that and yeah I think sarah netanyahu was known She doesn't have the best image. A lot of israeli media she seen as someone is is paranoid and Very concerned with her image and I think there was a a moment around early. Twenty tens period Our they had regular contact with the adelson's Sarah another point accused claims that at that. Uh miriam adelson headed an affair with the editor of israel. Mark regev Which kind of ruined their relationship with them to be at that point but in this specific incident mentioned that sorry our toll according to the statements given to police by the adelson's there during the during the police investigation of corruption affairs tonio in his role in media. Sarah tells a. Mary middleton if iran gets nuclear weapons in israel's wiped out. I'll i'll be to blame she. She's recalling smear mandelson saris recalling. How sorry. Netanyahu told her that she would be to blame because Because i'm not defending. Bb in the paper. She was also going on her. The immigrant sorry details and being portrayed while in the paper so that but it also kind of shows a little bit about the adelson's that it wasn't just about stay continue bankroll they still to this day. Bankroll the easter all. Very mendelssohn as the publisher. They yes they have. This religion is very complicated. obviously But they they continue supporting this because they believe in the agenda that was was Was putting forward And they believed in general of of these rarely rights and right now the prime minister these really right and they did sound like relations with other lawmakers and these are the rights and even with these. The iron pitas had a context with them shimon peres relied on them for a big major conference. Come there's president's conference event that he had organized the money to turn to the adelson's bankrolled it with millions of dollars so everyone relies on them But they see it as very much. I'll give to israel on. They want to strengthen israel as a jewish state that necessarily democracy which adelson says times has clarified. That in one hundred netanyahu so he said he was posted a couple of times as saying playing down the importance of As democratic state kind of hinting at the whole issue with the palestinians and whether or not israel is obliged to give the palestinians a state of their own onto to relief. Relief the demographic Problem of a jewish minority between the river the see so he was quoted a couple times as saying so i won't be democratic so what At a at a conference of the icy which is israel. America conference council which is another one of those organizations in the us that he was bankrolling at another time. He kind of He talked about how the purpose of the existence of the palestinians is to destroy israel. It was very much against a palestinian state of kind of. I think what he meant by very much. Not as much having concern too for the democratic nature of israel he was more very much more concerned with With his remaining jewish state he said i think god i think god didn't say anything about democracy. He he said that. Twenty fourteen speech to iraq He didn't talk about israel remaining as democratic state so that was his worldview. The priority was a jewish state or a democratic one and honestly today polls in israel show that that's also their view of a growing number. If that a plurality of israel jewish israelis that that place the jewish state above the democratic nature of the state. We're gonna veer. Because what you're talking a little bit about the way he's he's raised with an to the who's kind of reminded me a little bit of wrote about his relationship with the president trump in the fact that they were close right. You mentioned that they weren't so close but yet the agenda was a similar agenda right. I think it's also what separates adelson himself. Active Was that he was very honed in on what was important to him. I think there are a lot of other people with more money than him. That haven't had the same kind of influence because he zeroed in on the issues that were important to him. He was able to build relationships with people Surrounding that there were no there was no confusion about what his interest what his priorities were in that. I think that what made him so effective with trump puberty didn't respect thought his ego was too big and dictating the way he acted but he found i mean once and he didn't support him in the two thousand sixteen primary until after he became a nominee in that point I think there's a story of how kushner had been trying to connect to And but until adelson himself reached out to michael steinhardt who's the founder birthright And asked to ask if he could meet with trump a steinhardt known kushner kushner put kushner. Got intelligent christian was very excited about this. Finally the possibility of trump getting backed by bateson they hid trump flew to las vegas and metres at his home in the kind of forged a bond. I think they both have their own interests. Trump needed funds for his campaign of adelson side. The republican president who could be willing to to fulfill the promises made by other presidents like the embassy moving to jerusalem And and just being more supportive israel that that Maybe there's going to be able to do. How critical do you think that support was in terms of the move the embassy move everything other the other is israel. You know the big israel things we've seen the last four years of president trump. I think the people. I spoke to after he passed away. Of course he was. He was the reason or or Made him the central figure in this embassy. Move which is fair. Yeah a little bit which is fair. I think he clearly played a role in. It's hard to argue with the amount of money on the line that that he was willing to offer. Trump wasn't taking them incredibly seriously but it was abroad. I think trump in general took the the conservative jewish right In the us. And even more. So the evangelical Christian right very very serious. And he saw them as a base of supporters in. This is something that they desperately wanted. I think sheldon adelson bite of been saw a figure that helped convince him And he clearly played a role in in. I mean he paid. He paid for the ceremony And was sitting front row. I mean he was involved in the process. But i think to say that he was the reason why i think it might be a little bit of a stretch. I want to go back to the property right. Who's right by. yeah yeah. So he bought the the the am so that the ambassador had used to have a residents in herzliya. that costs. it's a. I don't know if you've ever been there but it's they have. They used to host like fourth of july parties. It's a gorgeous Residents along the water and he purchased it after the embassy was transferred to jerusalem to to prevent the possibility that the ambassador with kind of return the top the embassy Return the tel aviv. Or the ambassador with return to earth steinhardt hertzel on the he purchased this home in in along the water at a cost of sixty seven million We don't even know how much it should have been caught what it should have cost kind of with a little bit done under the table And didn't come. Until after. I mean i was to be fair. I was looking at buying that. Also it's a nice place. If you end up getting points those fourth of july august but yeah so then. There was a a very large involvement in the whole embassy transfer. Yeah so i do want to get back to the democracy. Show i just. I actually think his position is i mean he. He had a right to his opinion. Obviously but i. I don't think i would argue that. If there's a plurality of israelis say that the jewish identity of the state has more central to them to its democratic nature and went in points of conflict might even be willing to compromise on its democratic nature. That isn't exactly the same as saying so. Israel won't be a democracy and i would argue that that's really more of the extreme israeli. Right in a plurality that plurality that kind of talks about the jewish nature being very important to them would not say they're still rally. Maybe at this point i think it's below fifty percent. That still do support a few state solution. But that is the overwhelming or the prominent feeling among israelis that they still do wanna have some separation from the palestinians and create a state. Adelson went way farther than that and saying. Yes the jewish nature is important. And it's also because. I don't want to give the palestinians escape. I mean he was fringe it. His political opinion would be fringed politics. But but you also point out on the article that he moved away from apec that he was outside of apex stream. Can you clarify what right. In what ways he was. Yeah i think it was in two thousand seven that wasn't even over specifically palestinian state issue but there had been in the middle of the midst of the roadmap in peace effort the bush the george w bush would have been promoting with candy rice They're also been efforts to kind of provide increased aid to the palestinian authority and adelson and apec. Actually back this because they see it as the strength. Strengthening of the palestinian. Sorry i think it was even the pulsing economy drinking the palestinian economy. There's nothing inherently wrong with that they saw stabilizing also really right. It's an israeli interests. And that's why i picked backed it but that's where shall adelson very much Broke with a pack and said kind of this was just not something that he could He said don't confuse support organizations that help friends committing suicide just because they want to jump is what he told the time So very much breaking with apec. And that's why he ended up funding. Zoa zionist organization of america much further to write an ira which pretty much helped found that organization and other tool of his kind of influence to lobby the congress in the us and the president on a more right wing agenda than what was to very policy focused. He had these. That's what you're saying earlier. That would make them different than other. Philanthropists was that he pursued pacific agendas in a way that others just generically sport the institutional palstinians as an enemy. I mean he. He clearly saw them as an enemy. Not as a as a potential ally or right right and what was interesting is that he didn't have as many enemies as one would think like. There's because of his money. People still wanted to get a little bit of a dose of it as well an see people. These rarely centre-left that weren't going as far as some of the far left in the if not now group based in the us it's very far left in his against anti-zionist And sees the solution of being kind of a one state for two peoples kind of a non jewish state. They called a tweeted out. Your mash name be blotted out after adelson is served for this tremendous villains of frenemies. Yeah the worst of the worst. So that's the far left And and they're slightly to their rights. Were also people that said that tried to highlight the problematic nature of adelson's relationship with israel but a little bit to the but to a little bit to their ideas on what one would call the center left. We're figures that aren't trying to trash. After he passed away they do. Maybe it has to do with respecting the dead. But also i think that that recognized first of all of that miriam adelson is still around that still a lot of money that can be. That's at play on. They don't wanna. I think ruffle too many four. I would also hope a lot of money to central central. Yeah i did mention it again. Took a ton of money to birthrights. I think the largest donor to birthright as well but there is still a part of that. That's a politically calculated decision not to to respect him and not say anything. I'm not saying you're wrong. And i certainly wouldn't disagree with your analysis there but i would hope that some of it just comes from pure. You can't no no. But i genuinely don't i think you're right but i also there's a part of me that still hopes that some of it is just genuine civility. That like that sort of extreme as much as you as somebody disagrees. Look i don't know that. What if not dow did was inherently different than the extreme. Right's villains ation of george soros where you take this contributor who represents a spot on the political ideology you know spectrum that you disagree with and you turn him into an evil boogeyman villain. You could be bothered but it doesn't. It's so unhealthy to a democracy. That's sort of ad hominem. We're just not used to right. We're not used to also Civil discourse that's kind of respectful willing to say the cornell libra hottest person lived a long life in contributed causes without getting incredibly negative in the trump era. We've lost that a little bit but apropos source. I think what some people on the left are a little bit are saying maybe a little bit line as loudly that they wish they had someone like sheldon adelson. That could bank roll to the extent that he was. And but i think what we've noticed a lot of times in more Amongst the donors of the the billionaires and millionaires on the left. They're more they're more focused on giving to not just one 'cause not just israel but there to other causes well. Sore isn't a good example because he's never been determined to only give to israel anyway But there are others that are giving tomato causes being in the us and israel. You have to when you divide your funds. And i don't go all in israel the way sheldon adelson did and even though he was given to republican candidates that would you could argue then okay. He was separating between republicans and israel but the the point of giving the republican candidates because gender on right so it was all israel focused whereas the laughed. I don't think you can find people that are willing to go all peace or have they have the capacity on right either. I think he's unique. Jacob said earlier. And what's interesting about. What you point out that they can came late in his life. Know that transition. I didn't realize also like it. Sounds the way you presented in the article was like this remarkable sudden transformation from a democrat to republican. Yeah i think it was. I mean the he talked. I think around nineteen eighty eight. He had some sort of conversation. I think he was. He was single focused. Before internal las vegas politics that do with xenos and and promoting his brand. I think so. He was very laser focused on that And then i think he had some sort of conversation with william bush. George h wishes brother around nineteen eighty eight. That quickly convinced him that. As a as a billionaire you need a you want lower taxes and then the republican Brand of politics and the agenda is much more suitable for someone who wants to want to has the amount of money that he has he understood. It quickly joined the republican party at that point became a member and and then but the allegiance to israel. I think he talks about it. Afterwards as had been like blips of of real connection at he there's one Interesting quote that he had said at the us army veteran and he lamented after the fact like more recently that the uniform i wore in the military unfortunate with not in israel uniform all all we care about is being good zionist being good citizens of israel. Because i even though. I'm not israeli born. Israel's in my heart i think he did have this connection israel. But it didn't really come into fruition until he visited for the first time in nineteen eighty-eight And then of course marriage Miriam adelson Knocker offshore and i think is her maiden name in nineteen ninety one That that was actually at the cassette and she's israeli and she's israeli and international helped. Organize that that the idea of being able to hold a wedding in the said. That's something that's usually acceptable. I'm looking into that too so it doesn't that doesn't really work but next but we'll find tuna but see i mean i'm marrying mandelson has rarely been not just in israel but very ardently right wing israeli. I think helps really format form his politics Even more so so like almost like a new believer sounds like kind of describing. You know yeah again. Yeah maybe aboard against item and maybe the. I think you're right. It came out in the article that ways that he really had this like a revelation and that is kinda put it at some points in terms of describing he. He came like the ground and came wearing his father's shoes saying that he wasn't he hadn't been able to. His father had been too poor to come visit israel but he wanted wanted some part of his father to be with him at when he visited very clearly emotional connection that felt that he felt very strongly about but i mean the the comments that he made about the. Us army That he also had a few comments that were kind of contradictory but some of his stories. But but the i think there was some like all of us really clearly that the visit right of course but the the visit clearly and then marrying his. Miriam clearly had a very very strong and patty grow up with a Entity did you get that sense. All honestly not i didn't. I tried to fit like a way too much in this article. I think it's a very long piece. Some people didn't even want to finish. It didn't get too much into his jewish background but he was jewish. The i think. I think it wasn't like he had no experience with julius and before i think he just hasn't been israel right. It wasn't an epiphany on the road to damascus but it was still a turning point or an inflection point which is a term. I keep hearing used all the time and i'm just i dunno. It's making me crazy. I actually i thought your piece was excellent. And i didn't think it was long. I thought i was amazed at how much you You make clear and concise amount of space. I thought it was excellent food for thought about this name. You know that you hear it comes up here and there. And then just to think of him in total after his passing was very interesting And you know alad actually. Can you explain why you thought this was so important for for this episode. To to deal with his passing is a topic. I think i think that people don't think about Don't you think about so much people who you know Wield power lucky wield power. He wielded his power with money And it really has influenced and shaped our world You know wherever you are on that spectrum you like it or you don't like it. You know what he what he was was for. I mean as just the the different areas that we were talking about have had really tremendous influence In the jewish world whether it be birthright project for the last twenty years plus or or you know The seraglio paper that we've talked about all these other things he's really Had a major major influence And i don't think we talk about that enough and bring that to the fore we kind of just you know we we owe then bassy happens but like how were those really the background of how those things Come to play And i think philanthropy is a really really important issue. We often forget these when we study history. Aside from baron rothschild there are very few figures that come up in history class. That are you know. I don't know that one hundred years from now people will talk about him. But you're right he. He really had a major impact on major events. I think they will. I mean people are still talking about. Rothschild netspend like a lot of the very generous Alphabet miranda biden had called him the the more the modern day rothschild. I think what separated him really was just the scope The punters of assured in total billions of dollars that were given to causes in. Israel has just. It's just you. it's too hard work. I mean it's too large to ignore. Even try to put him in the same camp as other other major philanthropy philanthropy that he just simply dwarfs the amount of money. What surprised you covered I think it was the sheer amount of money. Acting it really. I think I mean they're the interesting stories about the breakdown relationship with ten yao's in in the beginning of this ship with trump in that it's i mean i think he was also having said he had to work with some very difficult personalities. I think it's easier But just the sheer money. I think is is quite a someone who's not making that took me a little bit but it wasn't just got like you know percent of that the as larry thinking exactly i'll just take a point point to change my life. Well he also. You mentioned the article. He wasn't so impressed with trump's running of casinos as a guy successful casinos. Right right. i think also kind of interesting that it's tangential but like a one or a couple of issues that he really pushed or one of the issues was a casinos in israel and that that was actually one thing that he wasn't able to get through That the israeli. I think a lot the ultra-orthodox parties very much opposed Seeing having casinos in a lot was a was a big talking point for adelson and others. That wanted kind of the economy a little bit there. But that was really opposed. Wow i'm surprised that didn't that sounds like something. Most israelis would be in favor of that coalition politics rental things religious liberty. Just they have in the middle. East jerko right. There was a couple of for a few years. They had heard people's friends speak very fondly interest haircut to the casino there it's also a little out of my league the casino world had about this money thing you know third thirty five billion dollars. They say he has about if you just gave every june world which is fourteen million jews. A million dollars. It wouldn't even hurt him right. You get a million dollars only depressing. Just want to start a campaign that have a bigger effect and birthright. Well wait 'til shiva's nothing like a good shiva joke. Well thank you very much. It is it is. It is a moment of reflection and i think you know i think i think it's important however controversial however much you agree the idea of whatever resources you have whatever you contribute of contributing something to something beyond yourself. Something you believe. In i do find kind of inspirational even with all the controversial things that leave me wondering you know things like well. Whatever we went through. I think a lot of the more controversial issues but recently put his money whereas mouth is right. Yeah that's you know. And and that's i think it's it's it's sparks a broader conversation about money though in in politics or money in that that is i think worth having regardless of what israel if israel was the positive or negative. I think it is a conversation. I think that should spur because it is. It is a major influence. What do we do with that. How do you how do you create. How do you balance. How do you create a moral order. In a capitalist world is very tricky. We're not doing that job so far we've been it's the adam smith argument the that the that the the hander will will balance out and create the greatest good so there's real evidence that that's not entirely true that it's complicated and he was a player in that world so well jacob can't thank you enough. That was very helpful. Not only the peace but now giving us a deeper insight and reflection on it appreciate it very much especially on sunday morning in the states. You know that's not negligible. It was a weekend for you guys or not a weekend for you. Guys who thanks for playing along with our sunday is a workday of five and taking the time. We really appreciate it. And we'll put a link to the article in the podcast and anything else you think you want. You can send to us. Thanks so much. Thank you thank you. Allan thank you mike. And we don't have to log off. But it's the end of the episodes stopped gordon i buy.

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"Hello again everyone. Welcome back to the phantom zone podcast. I'm when you're coastal skaggs begging the phantom zone once again ready to talk and final two episodes of care season one of jupiter's legacy with my wonderful co host wonderful friend and someone who's really hoping the montreal canadiens can somehow bounce back in their playoff series dj. Dick how you doing nick h house. I'm torn between great anxiety when it comes to my hockey franchise and on the other. I'm feeling kind of smug today. I have to say. Because i know one shouldn't one should not be smug but in this case after the ideas that i'd had when it came to the keyboard we talked about last time i am kinda satisfied that certain theories had panned out. So it's like. I actually say it means. Maybe i'm starting to understand shows better. I don't nobody. It's like. I'm so glad i was satisfied with my own. And then it's like no biggie. Like oh this is good achieving some sense of self validation. That's right. I mean after watching these episodes and realize hey. I totally called that right. Yeah it shows. Those two brain cells the left to actionable. You mean those tooth brain cells which are off having a cigarette right now. Probably once Whiskey at the bar and the other's out for a smoke whiskey one cigarettes that meant perfect sense right so that's very very fitting so here. Everybody here episode to nineteen getting up there. We're going to discuss onate ono. Which is latin for offer. One you kind of offer one one for all so very kind of three musketeers. So get your alexandra. Do muss on and do candy bar. I suppose educative our or your charlie sheen oliver platt kiefer sutherland. Movie on there you go there you go. I like that one by the way it was. It was a bad wasn't bad and also we're going to discuss how it all ends which was a like i said hopefully series one season one finale of jeepers legacy so here we are upset. Seventy eight the last two and tied to know what you thought about this before we get into you know background and cast and whatnot. Because here is you know. We've spent the past three weeks. Discussing the first six episodes. You obviously coming into this whole concept fresh from the start and coming in from the comic background having read the comics. And now here we are kind of at this this momentary finish line and i'm curious about what you thought about how this series wrapped up the season. Well i think interrupt a really really well. I almost think that it got its Its founded legs shiva legs towards the end of the first season. Hopefully we'll get another one. Because i mean grunt. I did enjoy the first couple of episodes by think here. They really upped the ante. And i really really enjoyed. That definitely had the edge of my seat. I was retaken the oil in very much. So and i think the way they way with iraq up most of the story lines that were present. Because you're dealing with multiple things going on once. I think it was very very well. The top once again. I think they managed time very well and they really kind of left us wanting more these personally. I'm wanting more. And i might have to go knock on the doors of netflix's if something doesn't happen whether it's folks would like the signs bring back jupiter's legs so you're on the you're going to be on the hashtag train tried to hashtag saved uber's likasi if definitely sends up deciding. Don't wanna do a second season. I certainly will because this ready when it happened to constantine and when it happens to other shows mind i am still hurting from those so i don't want it to happen to yet another show that i definitely become very engrossed in radio enjoying right. You know it's you commit to a show you at least one at least two seasons on it so that you can kind of get into it and enjoy it for a while before the plug gets pulled and you you kinda hope that there's at least a satisfying conclusion. But you know here in the at the end of this first season. You know there's a bit of a cliffhanger so it's going to be very frustrating if we don't get some sort of resolution to this now granted like i said i've read the comics so i have a general idea of how the story can wrap up. If it doesn't get another season true but you know very sympathetic. You know because you brought up. Constantine which is a perfect example of a show that was murdered. Horribly by nbc. Before its prime and and we're left major de hanging there as well because there was going to it for everyone in case they want to watch that one season we got right but just great great season. It's probably dangerous folks because the fabulous fabulous park costs. have you listened to those episodes. Yes i have you know way back in the you know we were just babies doing podcasts. Still trying to fumble our way through the universe. So i know how their endear that show was hot. Yeah where you actually poets kastenbaum. Well you know. I would be if they ever. They another constantine see tv series. I'm there or another movie. Or what have you so. I keep hoping you know. There's you know. Matt ryan zahn legends tomorrow. But let's face it. That's not constantine not the constantine tv series we want. it's constantly light. I think exactly. It's kind of like you know. Oh here's constantine onto ledges of tomorrow show so the focus is at around him. I mean maybe it is for like an episode or two but generally by and large. It's not the same show. The tone is completely different and kind of wish that you know. Elvis feels like the animated projects that star matt ryan are more more of a sequel to the concert tv series that elections tomorrow just like justice league dark and stop radio city of demons that one that but indeed i have sir so often in this country tangent. Really easily issue had noticed. So but the jitters legacy. I think the only thing that really probably frustrated me. The season was why it took so long to get to the island to get to the really good staff. And i'm sure you know. I wasn't alone in that. They probably a lot of people would've enjoyed that little sooner but apart from that. I thought this was handled really. Well the nine hundred twenty nine flashbacks. Which could have been a real drag only s turned out to be kind of like you know very interesting sometimes more so than the the twenty twenty one setting so yes so so i really appreciated the fact that they put a lot of effort into that it's a credit to the cast. The unsolvable cast here that They just made those things. You know so much more interesting in which they could have come off as very dull and entire seven something to slog through quite the opposite. I think happened here true. I mean do you think that maybe that could also have caused folks to check out earlier because the fact that we didn't get good stuff too late and so it might have ended up being detrimental to the show as a whole possibly. Getting a renewal have you. I think that's you know that's a valid concern because unfortunately a lot of the audience dated a younger audience doesn't have that patience. you know. They they want other episodes to bend drive through. And if it's not immediately satisfied we've talked about this. They get frustrated. They give up. They go to watch something else. If it doesn't grab you immediately and something that has been mentioned more of your attention than your average superhero. Tv show and yeah so so. It's not something that they can quickly grasp be immediately entertained by and just find it interesting enough to wanna keep watching league quickly bail and so cut. Quaintly you know a lot of shows that you know sometimes take a little time to build an audience. They don't find that audience because of the you know just the the the the fleeting nature of the younger audience. These days trinidad old man yelling cloud here. I mean wanted to actually make quick music comparison. Yeah that's why songs have gotten briefer and briefer because the fact that they say now even after twenty seconds if your audience illicit was not hooked. You don't have a good song right. And for that reason. Now you average pop song has gone down from three thirty three minutes and thirty seconds to almost two minutes. Some songs even down to two minutes and thirty seconds. Well that's kind of what they were doing. Back in the fifties and sixties true. Has we noticed a lot of those songs. Very short the songs by elvis or the beatles back in the sixties. Somebody too early in the early sixties. I'm talking yet they were. They were very quick pop songs that maybe like two minutes. Thirty seconds to minutes. Forty five tops. So i think there may be kind of getting back to that. You know who. Hey let's do a quick kit and you know. Just just get this general beat out and then wrap it up into another one so yeah it's becoming more and more as i say they almost like making really cookie cutter and it's very very depressing. Very allies very standardized at a lot of. Yeah yeah it's it's kind of frustrating but that's a whole nother podcast. We talk about all right boy. We're just really getting off these tangents. It's not about that's doesn't bode well because we have lots talk about everybody so unapproved. Who now was it. Had to tell you by julia. Cooperman was new to the series. And how all ends actually had a tell play by stephen s tonight who is no longer with the show. Rep apparently left as show runner halfway through the production but his script was used for the final episode because wraps everything up so the last script that he wrote was the first one by dawn's early light so he gets to book end at least this season before we they figure out what to do going forward presumably with their new showrunner and both episodes again. This is another block so both episodes seven and eight were written by mark or excuse me directed by marc jobst. Okay so just started mentioned that we get the introduction of a new character in this time in a akanda playing reiko simpson daughter of brainwave and we are definitely gonna talk about her. We had her dad's relationship and all that but But i thought i'd mentioned her. She's been shift. She appeared cheat. She's primarily known for being a youtube star. She's a youtube youtuber but she's also appeared to manage to get into the ant man movie the first one she was also on episode of ncis los angeles and then a bunch of other things that i don't think a lot of people have heard of so so she's had some other work but but but primarily i think she's. She's famous for being a youtube sensation. As the show there would be likes to call these days. So i thought trivia the only thing i haven't trivia i thought i mentioned. Is that being a reiko. In the comics she was never killed by her father. Oh she's still alive. So i guess you must be happy if you were happy about. It will not dating may have this major departure from the comics. Well i kinda thought you know. She was a cool character so was a little disappointed. They killed her off so quickly because she does like. I said she. She is part of things going forward. So this is another major divergence from the comic book series. But i think it was used primarily to kind of sell the fact that Walter is evil. Yeah the way. The fact that he doesn't have english group was even for his own flesh and blood right exactly if he's willing to sacrifice his own daughter. What else is he willing to do. So so. I'm pretty sure that was the reason for that. Show her so we have like two episodes. We're gonna talk about so we're gonna try to break these down as quickly as possible. I know dick. You're gonna have to help me watch the clock because they don't wanna get carried away We got lots to talk about so episode seven on a pro bono four topics so time number one. Let's jump to the present so 2021 setting. Let's talk about sheldon grace. Because i thought this this is something i think we need to talk about because sheldon. This is the first episode at fund long-lasting because we talked about that that stunning you emotionally charged episode. Six where grace you know had suffered the death of a protege and she still reeling from that and consequently it's now making her look at her relationship with sheldon a little differently. What did you make of of the way. That grace kind of stands up to sheldon a little bit in this episode. Talking about how You know that. She's not just cut swiftly not going along with whatever he says this time. She's actually she voices her skepticism about the code. That it's broken. So i want to get your thoughts on that. Well as you very well set up chow was the fact that he or she is obviously still reading from johnny being killed and of course what. What's grace has self had done. You know beating beating barry on pretty much half to death so she still has psychological mystery of. I went beyond the pale when it comes to code and maybe the way the my morals are. She might still be feeding list enraged traumatized by that but i very much like the fact that she did stand up to him. And i think it's a really highlights. How much of a despot sheldon actually is without realizing it in the sense of identity. It's not that. I think you literally what he's a control freak. We mentioned out of control right. And i suppose to him. It's like he expects his wife to fall in line with anything he will say and that's why he's was shocked that she actually has differing opinion and surprise it's madden wife can actually disagree. Believe it or not show than it does happen right. Yeah as a married man myself. I can definitely attest to that. But you know it's just goes with the territory especially after you've been married for some time like my wife and i we've been married two decades so what's in a while we have disagreement on things go figure exactly and then also seemed my own parents. Rec- celebrate their fortieth anniversary. So and i've seen as much as they love each other. They don't always agree. It's impossible and by the way. Thank you very much. We be sure to thank them on your behalf but yeah i think the big problem is is just that because maybe he's so used to people doing what he says even if his own wife dares to put a toe alkaline and say he's wrong he just can't bear. It almost goes off her. Almost as i said it's almost like he doesn't realize the union mercy's like dictatorship and not mock crecy because if some if his different to say it's like how dare you you know what i say it's not a he says this implies what i say goes you don't dare put a out of line. I think even more so publicly makes her own decision when they are still trying to get into blacks phoblacht stars minds right and she makes the coal of getting of bringing in regular exactly. Yeah and to sheldon's shock and chagrin and she did it publicly so it's almost like a she's been defying him publicly and i think he just can't take that and so it's that's why i think he blows up the way he does because maybe had it been behind closed doors. He might not have been as concerned upset. But in the fact that it. She's almost challenging his authority in front of the others and he doesn't like that be having the major ego he does and being the control freak that he is also insisted that they need to present a united front For the younger supers in grace pretty accurately says no idiot You know the younger supervisors are freaked out. And you know they. You don't listen to what they have to say. So she's traded like look you know sheldon sheldon is just like look. We need to be united on this. You know and you have to. You know. I need your support here more than ever right now. But but grace's still trying to get through to his through his pigheadedness and talks to him. About how like you know. She's because remember she used to be a reporter she points out. She says you know. I used to seek out the truth but somewhere along the way that got lost and i gave up a lot to be. Come lady liberty as part of this group. But i'm not going to give up the truth anymore. So so she's kind of getting back to her own room. She's rediscovering herself in the process of standing up to sheldon and sheldon like you said because he's a control freak. His brain just does not compute the fact that she is not on board with him so consequently he gets very frustrated with her. He tells you. You have no idea what i need to do. So which is. I think it's very telling that you know it's you made a great point that he doesn't really do this. He doesn't control people directly. He doesn't say like do what i say. Or you're out of here. It's more like you know. We need to present a united front very very indirect very passive but still controlling like. Hey you know. I think you know we need to look at this the same way so it's its own is in his language and you you kinda with him. You have to look at the subtext of what he means. Yeah exactly so it's it's not very overt. He's covert and and so so consequently though Grace's really down with that and It was very nice to see her taking a stand here in asserting herself and You know especially more like you know when When she is trying to get into the clones mind in trying to figure out like aero. Hey forget what sheldon says. We need to do this so so a little bit of a skin that we talked about is is still occurring between these two. The very michelle's shown this kind of more and more is himself from people. Yes we obviously plays in perfectly with a certain other characters plans seems so and we will definitely get to him. But i either to that. I just think it's you. You wrongfully said this major. If being being creates between the two. And i think it also stems from point that won't actually makes about sheldon pre powers isn't the fact that he was always used to him. Basically giving orders and folks doing what he said in a sense. He's always used to being the leader. Right never been disputed even when it came to the working with his dad. His dad always have an ear for him literally. Almost ignore woke completely. And so it makes sense. It plays into sheldon now with palace because he's been used to doing that even before hand when you think about it if they got their powers in nineteen twenty nine this has been the status quo for ninety years. Almost that that the fact that the you know shelter was a leader. Walt was his number two. You know number one guy and you know in george was there and so sheldon or is he me. I say walter understandably has been frustrated by this. I think the fact that you know maybe it started off as like a good idea but probably over the decades little things creep in here and there. And i'm sure because we know how walt is and we get a really good look at that in these last two episodes. Yes we do. He is incredibly frustrated so so so as a result of sheldon without being aware of it is now at odds with his own brother. Oh yes and he probably has been than he even even here. Eli exactly and you point out in kind of being mischa shocked. And it's blows up in grace's face about her. Having a different opinion of his. I suppose george or sky fox was the only one who actually created that precedent. Her literally spoke out against sheldon. And then obviously we don't get the whole story but know as things progressed end up becoming the ultimate villain or rog was painted as the ultimate villain. Yes that's a great that's a. It's a very notable point there because as we find out george george was probably set up to become the villain as we'll find out then we'll discuss all right anything else about sheldon grace. Now i just really very very strong performances from the actors really enjoyed this. You do wonder. Hopefully you get season to where they'll be at this point where the grace will end up standing by. Her man will just realized. The man's totally lost the plot. And i just can't do this anymore. Even after almost one hundred years of marriage. Yeah she might have to change. You can't say it was nice knowing you will see you next century. Yep we'll see what happens but it doesn't look good for these two crazy kids. Say all right topping number two. Let's shift over to chloe brandon and petra fitz's daughter petra and i thought a group these to these three characters together because chloe and brandon have a nice little scene and then brandon and petra later on so let's talk about first about chloe and brin brandon who are they finally reconnect because we haven't seen much of the two siblings together in the series. So they're kind of hanging out watching the coverage of janez death khloe shares led. The things didn't go well. The last time She saw jonah because remember she laid into janna and brandon however is blaming. Hurt death on himself. I think yes. So chloe chloe kind of has to talk to him and said hey look you no matter what you do good or evil good or bad. Someone's going to die. It's not your fault but brandon kinda feels like. He should do more and he's kind of like being like his father feeling that he's not doing enough. So so what did you make of this conversation between these two characters first and foremost well they definitely had not had the chance actually beat together in the same room for quite some time as you mentioned in fact it was that whole thing about her being there at funerals when which would seen earlier in the season and so we find extra get them and they actually have a decent conversation to where she's not snapping at him. he's kind of not being. You know the boy wonder boy or whatever and just kind of talking. And but i suppose Clearly makes a good point so almost like damned if you do damned if you don't to quote good obama simpson because that's pretty much the way the way the way it goes but Do the bartman yay or deep deep trouble trouble there you go. That's it. yes that's going back away as indeed. It is but i guess that's the she basically points that nine i think brandon is very much his father's son i think it's almost sadly shows the brainwashing. Because i'm i'm gonna openly call it brainwashing on shoutings parts. When it comes to brandon. Because i think brandon was trying to become his own person. Yeah but it always seemed to me. Like show was trying to quash that and he seems to want to quash that in general. It's like nobody's allowed to kind of be their own person. They won't be extensions of myself. Yeah and think the way. I do so clearly. Obviously clones of me as what he wants. That's exactly it and so he he can't stand personality because personality is messy business so he doesn't want that and and but i think that unfortunately brainwashing speaking in with brandon because he really does want to reach the highest standard and the fact that he really wants to be paragons he wants to live up to his superhero name of aragon of go for goods. But the same time you think to yourself weather. He wants to be almost as i've mentioned in previous episodes vigilante style superheroes in what i did against the with blackstar i could probably do again to other people if they deserve it. So that's maybe why he feels why. That john lewis death is on him because grunted copying everywhere. So i don't think brandon should be so hard on himself but i think it's the his dad's it's the problem that his dad was guilt seem into the back of your a superhero. You have to have the superhero guilty. Bad things happen. Even though it's peer parker said dribbles. I like to call it very nice. The perfect way to describe it indeed that khloe that other than just giving her reasons doesn't really do much else off to this conversation us walks out the door and zooms off of out of frame. Yeah but but i thought it was. Just go ahead. Sorry no go ahead. God well i was just gonna say i thought it was interesting because you know obviously after her overdose renouncing her sober so she's able to talk to her brother on a rational level here through so i thought it was a nice nice little change of pace You know that brandon even like reaches out again and tries to say. Hey look you know it. Be great if you good. He'll swing by the house once in awhile and she says well. I don't know if that's going to happen. That's not going to happen. But she kind of like you know she takes it though second thought about it says well you know maybe i'll think about it. So there's that room now that maybe she's being more receptive here because of the way because of the way brain and approached her and he made the offer not her father. You'd hope the after overdose. She would have learned something. Yeah but at the same time you think to yourself knowing this characters habits a probably is the end overdose that she's had so she probably just gets up and shrugs off and off. She goes there to do something else. Yeah so we'll see what happens with chloe but but better. But i did like the fact that yeah. We finally get to see these two at least talking. A little bit and brandon does he does he is subscribing to you know the the sheldon doctrine here he he wants to buy into it but but i think he still has some reservations whether you realize is not because you know he was willing to break the code and because he saw the the importance of that moment that look. If i didn't break that code you would be dead. So so he's willing and this is where the distinction is between brandon. And his father is that brandon is willing to take that next step. He's willing to do what is right for the moment. As opposed to what sheldon thinks should be the right thing for the moment true and you make a good point there because i think to myself. Maybe it's his only way to be close to his dad's. Because i think he really wants that grossness to his father. And if you're like the only way to do that is to almost fool himself into buying into the code when like you percents. Probably he does not really believe it but but he's trying to convince himself to buy into the code in order to spend time with his father. And i think that's i think that is the point is unlike khloe. He really wants to bond with his dad's yes and this is the only the only level they can bond on this is their common ground so consequently condensed some of that myself with my own father because you know my dad is really big into golf and so consequently i have no interest in it but he would you know i would go out to the golf course with him just to spend time with him so so i kind of get that mentality. This obviously a very different thing from golf super hearing versus golf but the the same principle right same basic principle so brainy wants to spend time with his father. Nothing wrong with that. He was a relationship with his father but but he's doing it on. His father's own terms equals here. That's why i think going back to. The concept of humis nullifies his personality in order to be to do basically become a mini me version of sheldon. Yeah to end to do that. He sacrifices who he is as a person and he's like you still yourself when you go hang out with your dad's played golf here. He's literally not being brandon. And we see this actually trump when he has the talk with with sheldon it almost seems like he's become literally disciple like. Oh yes. The code is a god bless the code and and this kind of thing becomes very very much and initiate very much that that adept if you will is it so much that he's a disciple or is it that he just trying to convince himself it. Could it could be both. I mean that's why. I think he says the only way to sell it to my dad is to say that i love the code right team code. Okay dad you know yeah so so. Can i be in your secret club now. That's why. I think it's really a desperate cry for wanting to hang out with his dad. Yeah so later. The episode brandon actually gets a visit from petra. Brandon is still grounded which still makes news wink right. So petra shows up. She tells brandon that she wants to leave the union and she opens up about no longer believing in the code. So she's kind of like on board with what how brains viewpoint about the code She says that you know the other with janez daf and the other members of the union being all angry sniping at each other. She's she's having a hard time dealing with it so she like. I don't believe in the code anymore. So brain and warns her like if you leave others are going to do the same thing and we need to keep the union together. So it's almost again like you said it's spread and trying to be like his father here she said you know they're just he makes the point that well you know just because we have this code it isn't about making their lives easier and their job doesn't really allow for the easy way out here so so we'll see what happens with petra but what did you make of this conversation. We'll probably is going to make the little psychological battle that brandon stabbing his own mind like another psychological bats. We will see even harder. Because i think he's really is torn between two places of please. My dad's or do i embrace as i mentioned before my true nature of wanting to be my own person. Leaving the union like petra. She makes a good points. And maybe start up my own our own team if you will where we're bowl is more free exchange of ideas and it's not as tied to to go to what. Yeah so exactly. So do you see. Do you think this is more like another seed of doubt being planted in brandon's mind right now. I think so because if somebody that you care about in that you friends with one could almost call it. Peer pressure i think to a certain extent but at the same time in another sense is it's all surfing. Somebody's that he cares about it saying look. This isn't working anymore. We can't do it the way we we have. Because obviously there's so much you know written so many deaths as almost blood on our hands advertently because the fact of our friends have died because of adhering to the code was so so i think it really is. That's why i think brandon is even more to them because of course he is utopian son. So he's he's almost like do. I follow that role. Because if i don't follow that role and i'm the son of the guy who founded the thing. Sandra harris serious issues. This is things that can happen. But i i do like that because i wonder if it will play into how brandon behaves later down the line right and i have a feeling. His uncle might play into that to feed that wolf inside him as well. Well i think there's a very strong possibility of that. So we'll see we'll see which he had already started during which he had seen in previous episodes. Yeah you know like their little. Let's hang out on the roof and talk a little bit. Yeah to talk to us. Yeah exactly tell me. What's frustrating you so i can get you into into my confidence here. Come on board. T come on board team walt for awhile. We've got coffee and donuts. You know that to say yes won't coffee i. I don't like coffee. I drink tea. But i'll definitely take some dotes. Yeah yeah let's move on number three. Let's talk about walter which we need to talk about ryke who his daughter as we're introduced here in this episode and let's talk about black star at least the black star clone so What you make of the introduction of reich coup and and Learning a little bit more about their relationship. Because we haven't really gotten to see that until now. This is kind of a new side of walter. Isn't it it very much. and it did. Remind me a little bit of the introduction of ronin from endgame when it came to hawkeye delayed road. Ninja fighting obviously gangsters asian gangsters which is exactly what right does as well talk about the scenes in tokyo where we see rajkot fighting the. Yeah those gangsters. I wonder why they cruise. I'm assuming they're probably yakuza being in japan. Curious to match up the visuals of that and if it was kind of a shot for shot recreation of that rosa the endgame vile totally totally. Yeah yeah. I think there was a. I think it was an intentional. Oh my gosh to that. So i assume loving the the ronin character hawkeye and very much looking forward to the tv show so so much. Yeah it was. I love this. I love this ronin introduction because some big martial arts gimme radical but me. I'm getting my odds confused here right. That's fair that's fair. But but no being a big mosh lots fan. I love these kind of viking. No surprise i love the sued fight and kill bill and this is remind me a little bit that ata to one hundred people. In that case uma thurman was fighting against but i you bring up sorry route but it kind of get crazy eight vibe from the guys that she was fighting. I wonder if that was also an an intentional. Oh my gosh we asked because we did get a blood being splattered limbs kind of fly across the screen right imperfect tarantino fashion. So i i very much enjoyed her introduction. She's i suppose very sassy varies. She is khloe on steroids. Okay in the sense. I think she's even more jaded and hardened and because i wouldn't consider her. She just is very very cynical. And very very dry witted. And i guess the apple trees are like me. I guess i don't know we just have to catania in your hands and we're good. I've got with upstairs to say excellent. But and that's why when related find out things it seems like the apple doesn't fall far from the tree but but Yeah and clearly. They have been her and her father had been at odds and they have these two folks as they used to say in the. Wf these two guys don't like each other. It's clear they just don't like each other one bit. and yes. I really enjoyed this introduction. I know that you're a fan of old school. Martial arts afloat having read the comics. Do you like this. Depiction of i thought was pretty faithful. Said apart from the fact that you know in the next episode she gets killed I love the introduction. It's alito. It's a little soon compared to where we first meet her comics right but But i thought it was an interesting thing. Bring her in here. And you know it's very. I thought her relationship with Walt was very a comparable to comics. I thought it's very. It's very interesting you you compare her to khloe but it's it's it's almost like if chloe was very focused instead of yes instead of being self destructive zen khloe. Yeah well well. It's just the fact that you know. Because of her martial arts backlash. He's probably very disciplined. Person in has very disciplined mind being telepathic. Like her father true so but but as a result. Because i think also because she has this would apparently appears to be a very estranged upbringing from her father. They they seem to like they. They respect one another. I think but they don't particularly like each other. Yes because i think won't almost wanted to make her. You know help her develop her powers and she tells her this because like you have so much for you had so much potential and and isn't it a shame that we once again. We don't know much about the mothers when it comes to these characters like right when it comes to george. We don't know much about hutches mom and when it comes to iraqi. We don't know much about her. Mom i mean it seems anything georgia i believe army says at one point is i liked. Her time was pretty much. If you've never says i loved she was my life and everything was unlike to the kids together. And it's like okay but pouring your feelings out there while it was curious that once again. We don't meet the mums. Might we might down the line but said well. Maybe there's a budgetary thing that maybe they thought well. We can get rid of this character this character here because you know consequently since reich who gets killed off next episode who know how far we needed to go into the relationship because we kind of get what we need. We find out that you okay. She's walters donner and a bunch. But like i said you know. She's very she's very disciplined very focused but very emotionally distant as well. She's very cold You know she. She walter asks her for her assistance. But you only do it for a million dollars a day. Plus expenses student will much. Does she know and so so. Essentially you know. She's a presumably. she's a contract killer right. Yeah exactly yup. She's been much like an electric if you will from the movie. Yeah but but i'll only help you. You know if you pay a ridiculous amount of money because she's possibly maybe hoping that she doesn't have to do it. She's like probably shoot as high as i can. In hopes to. He'll be like no way. I'm giving you a million bucks a day so it could be that she just makes him a ridiculous alpha for that reason could be. It could be there. Could be something that. I will definitely great you that so but eventually ends up Being brought in and we find out that You know walter. You know tries to warn her. He's like look like don't piss people off. Just do your job and you know it's very it's a. It's a very professional relationship. They have here. There's there's no like. I said there's no real family bonding and given what we know about. Walter it's not very surprising. Isn't it not to mention chances. The room she everybody's giving a very wide birth because they kinda know harrap yes he especially sheldon. I believe is like totally like. Obviously he was against the whole thing from the get-go grace. Obviously you know wanted to call her in but still they do keep very much a distant from her because of her pasta because of who she is and we'll have the the reputation the relationship between wooten dental records. You never say they were. They were father and oughta not by a long shots. No not at all not at all. So basically wolters playing here with the black star clone. He's essentially try. It wants to project his mind into the clone and see what's going on in there but apparently it's very risky and the walter claims you know like well. I'm unprepared to take the risk to get any information. About why sky fox made this clone. Why exactly which we kind of know from the following episode is complete. Bs right it was just it. Was he a voter all along with say. Yeah but everybody else they they. They're taking walter at face value here. Of course 'cause levitra sky fox because they know that he is. Open the villains. It's easy painter say skype. It's sky fox. Evidently it skype box. Because i'm your lovable. Why would i do anything exactly. That his plan perfectly as it turns out so they So before the before you projects his mind into into the black star clone wall street goes to visit the real black star in his cell. Yes and gives them the chance to come clean before i start. He starts getting into the the clones mind and tries to get him to open up about being in contact with george blackstar. He's like you know well. I wish i was in contact with him. Yes he's like. the only one. Saudi sense was skype box. And it's actually a smoothie trivia. Here the book the black star is reading. Yeah the author is actually not a real author of. She's one of the writers on the show and he puts in his little bit of an easter egg. But because i was like inmates read on movies just to see like ecg. Reading the prince is reading the divine comedy reading. Apparently this woman romantic and the oath is happens to be one of the The the people who work on the show other wiscon- clever right. But but it's kind of like our first glimpse though here that black star says well. Even george knew that the code was sheldon's way of controlling them. And when when black star compares george to to walter Kind of obsessive here. Oh yes it's a very sensitive subject. Yeah as we will see in. The flashback of these two have been odds from the get go right has continued in progressed throughout. Yeah then obviously decades has you know has not helped especially with sky fox. You know leaving the team being perceived as a villain as it turns out that's right so so essentially we we see walter's mind getting projected into the clones clones. Mine excuse me. And walter starts to hear voices in warns everybody that something is right before he he collapses and reich you. Her job is essentially to hold the door open. So that walter can get out of there because yes exactly so. That's kind of where we're left with that. So of course. We hear painting the clouds with sunshine. Yeah that's a nice little. Today's little a little hint there about what's your who's sitting in the arm check as we armchair somebody with their back to walter and we hear painting the clouds and sunshine which was which was. Nice little yearning. This will call back right all right. So that's all. I have for that unless you had anything else. You wanna talk was. I thought it was it was. It was interesting to see the to tele paths working together and the fact that I think it'd be other tele paths in the world outside of reicher but there is nobody there was nobody else could get. Apparently you can have get basically this wolters doors. Here is bruce. Not not exactly people person and i i i this thing i have to address house sure way. Does the union get their money. The fact that walter can happily say one million day is not a problem. What is the source of income. Well maybe they have merchandising. Deal i dunno. I know it's action figure. I don't it's it's a city nitpick of is they have a major funding by the government. Where it's like if you say oh million bucks a day. No worries okay. He kills a legacy. We're to make that payments. But still well they probably are funded by the government. I will give you that. Also presumably walter's the one overseeing the books the financial books true on this. So maybe you know walter has kind of stashed away little accounts here and there for himself. I wouldn't put it past him to have like an account in the cayman islands. One of those offshore accounts that rice same to have right exactly so need to look into that. I think right. So let's go back way back to nineteen twenty nine for a fourth and final topic on this episode. We had lots to talk about. This is a big one though. So let's talk about the unions origin as we finally get the story of what happens when they get on the island and received their powers at long last. So this is it. This is everything we've been waiting for. Did it live up to the hype for you. It very much. Did it very much states. I thought it was it was well played and the cinematography once again did not let me down. I thought it was all very well executed. I didn't expect it to literally be an audio right. Not mention these folks get on the island and obviously they don't know what they're looking for is like we looking for like a chest. Are we looking for like a statue. What the heck are we looking for on this island and you think this would they know what it is when they find it they do of course but you think they might even just walk by something which is essential when like what is the is some moroccan they woke on. We'll take about it. You know nobody else knows what's going on apart from sheldon they get on this island and so it's kind of like a. Where do you start looking right. And what are you looking for looking for. You don't know what you're looking for. You don't know where to look so you just kind of like fumbling around in the forest or whatever and you're trusting that sheldon you know knows where to go right. They're they're they're putting all their hopes on that but by now you know obviously because sheldon believe in the island got them to the island there actually on the island now so sheldon does have some credibility now at this point. He's got a track record so so essentially what they're doing is they're putting all their faith behind sheldon that he will be able to suddenly recognize what they need to do where they need to go so he kind of becomes the leader here so this is where i think he becomes starts becoming the leader of the group. Yes and very much. It starts to explore the eyelid but as it turns out You know they start finding some glimpse and They start you know they come across this desert. So they're kind of like. I don't think we should cross this. You know like maybe you should turn back but as it turns out the island won't let dunton. Yeah it's like the only way is forward him back. The island is apparently since it. You know it's it's kind of like coca cola in the x. men. I was just gonna grow for sure right so so consequently the eyelid just when they try to leave you know barriers. Come up stone stories. Routing i've no way and then snow comes out on top of them so they start you know freezing or whatever. So they're like we have to go forward. The only way island is gonna let us go to keep going through that desert so so they trudge through the desert. There's like a sandstorm they they plow through that as best as they. Can you know always sheltered leading them to wherever they don't know and what we find out is that we kinda see them going through a series of tests and seeing how they react to them but along the way they kind of you know they start Especially georgia in water. To no one's surprise at this point really start sniping at one another into the ultimately they get to this point where it's a dead and so they kinda turn around like okay. I guess we can't go forward so let's try get out of here. But then the rock face closes around them. Yeah now they're literally surrounded by rabbi by cliff. face literally yes so so essentially. There's no way out apart from going up but who knows if that we can't fly at this point right. They don't have climbing gear. So they're like okay now. What and then they start sniping at each other and on it's it's at that point they kind of You know these. They noticed that. I i think it was grace that notices that they noticed that the there's been other people there besides them. Yes because they see strewn on the ground. The bodies of other of men who know from numerous centuries countless find the viking helmets. And i believe they obviously they all these skeletons all over the place and among almost as the centerpiece whoever designers like this is the centerpiece. Wanna put this right in the middle of the conversation piece of the room. Is you have the two people literally killing each other. A basic yes. The swords plunged into three prize. Respective chests yet you see that. They've been fighting each other and embrace kind of pieces together. He's like so she's like you know it's a test and if we keep fighting each other work at a fail the test and it's kinda like at this point where sheldon he. You know he. He realizes that they need to let the past go any touches. The wall linked the face of the rock face and then it starts to light. Up is the george. Does it or like i. I wanna say like Georgia's the same thing. His lights up in an walter comes over. But walters does it light up your and we find out that that that apparently you know because walter still has some issues regarding george It's the main reason why his will light up. It could have made quite the comedic moment. Where the kind of turned to kind of rounding like really really so but so sheldon's like you've got to let this go man because otherwise we're not gonna be able to get out of here so for for that moment as it turns out walters able to put that behind him and everybody gets their you know places their hands on things light up in a door opens. Yes and we get to see them. They enter through the door. It's all very ominous right. And the next thing we do we see them on. The moon apparently a mood of jupiter. Because we see jupiter off in the skyline. That's right yes. Oh wow they sung the entered outer space right right and then they get confronted by people that they had talked about previously that they would like to see again. You know people that have died or whatever the loss to them in so of course. It's does exact same people that are they're trying to talk to them and they try to tell them that you know. They've proven themselves worthy and this is when this big burst of power hits them and washes over them. Yes i congratulations. You survived the ordeal. Exactly like yeah you you. You have reached this level of the game and now you get these powers and abilities and interestingly that wave when it when it spreads out it also kind of goes all the way back to the covers the entire island and then also reaches the ship. Yes which i think is going to be a way to explain why there are other superheroes and super villains. Yeah because you actually see the pattern which had been created briefly lights up on the skin of the remaining crew on the ship like something evidently entered this system so presumably they're not as powerful as diluted powers exactly because you know union. They were the ones that were most worthy. So they get the best superpowers but other people that were there in the vicinity either they or their descendants will get superpowers. Just not as powerful right. Know they might get those like really really mediocre powers like have you ever seen the tv show misfits. Yes i have. Yes i like the guy who's able to crash role lactose products that kind of collegian to superhero substitute heroes in the dc comics. Or you know the just the mutants and x men with a really lame powers. Like i kind of made me. Think of the misfits for that reason but yeah it's they're probably get to really kind of rubbish fouls or at least the diet coke versions where it's not nearly as powerful. So what did you think of that moment. That big did you. You know the way that they got their powers that whole the the visual effects in the way that it was told. What did you make of all from the effects which i very much enjoyed. It was great vehicle to explore character development as well because we did have of course like you mentioned where the big for the big rivalry between george and wrote almost begins because they constantly bickering country arguing and it seemed like eventually they are going to be the ones to kill each other. I it's boiling and boiling avoiding but added to that you also get the issues between worlds and showed him because while they actually walking and this cliff face which is like air even put one. Step out you're gonna tumble to your death. Like wow show them in wolter you guys. Science discuss family issues. Now you literally walking along this sheer. Drop this talk about our family. While we're we're trying a full out of place or or slip and fall. I it pushes walter to his breaking point at this point and this is where he completely unloaded. I'm glad you brought this up about His feelings about sheldon being the golden boy in in their father's is in. Walter admits this is where the first time where he admits he blamed sheldon for their father's death. That's right so like like if you did want to expand things would have been okay and he would have committed suicide. So it's your fault. They also. I think very much where walter goes later wrong. Room gets twenty twenty one. These this animosity was already prevalent. It was just sort of waiting for moments to just blow up like of okay. No yeah just erupt and so it was. I think it's because walter represses feelings. Yeah we as we've mentioned before that pressure cooker moments which is dementia the lids going to blow. So i thought it was. It was a nice a thing on the rightist parts to give us the story to progress while at the same time giving us character development as well actually make us care about these characters because you are interested in the journey but you also want something a little bit more meaty as well and i liked that we got that was fun to watch and i still have to think to myself when they're putting their hands against the face whether it's like okay you have to forget you have any issues. How do they do that is like i am in a peaceful place. I have no problems with this guy. It's like and he's like. Oh no i hate him all. Been ten minutes now in serious willpower. Well you know it's probably kind of like a very you know like to use a martial arts thing where you have to clear your mind and have to kind of focus on like okay. I'm going to let this go now. Whether deep down in your subconscious. You're able to let that go. Probably not as especially whilst case because obviously that comes back. He doesn't let it go. He just happens to let it go for that moment and be able to the end because he was able to let go a moment that allowed them to get inside the door. Sure i just thought to myself as hard when you like hate to guys got some really dislike. Somebody say i don't dislike this guy but as long as he was trying to let it go. I think maybe yeah. I think the the judges were like okay. We can we can take this. Let's let them do it. Sounds like you know what just let you skip. You know skim by the area the skin of your teeth or you know you just kind slip in under the wire on this one. Yeah the minimum level. We needed there. Okay we'll give you a pass. This hurt again right right. Okay okay get your powers okay. I but the the martial arts comparison is great on your part showers because it is very much not whole once again and was zen thing of embrace nothingness and just focus on the tosca hands right so so at least you know what was able to put that his mind for long enough to get them in through through the door to get their powers and you know it's a very. I thought it was a very powerful moment. I thought it was a very cool origin for them. You know how the there is that. Pay off you know. We kind of wondered throughout the season. Especially like i said we're things weren't moving as quickly whether they would give us a satisfying enough payoff for all this island stuff in the in the i think i think it was very interesting and it. Interestingly it i it. Also because of the issues that explorers between walter and george and walter and sheldon and sheldon and grace We see how that translates tonight years later and how it how what happened. Did the island still impacts them to this day. That's why i think it makes very skillful writing for the of course the epic moments where the folks in the cup and the adults actually hovering above them. They're descending like they're above them and yeah just it's a very like oh well you know. They've got their powers in the world has been changed forever. That kinda thing yeah. It's very much as jupiter anti and the and the gods of the pantheon of nutri decided to visit us there out. Go there we go all right. So what's your rating for this episode. I'm going to give this nine. Ten lit up cliff faces. Okay all right. I i was going to do something similar. I was gonna go swirling multicolored lifts. So but i'm gonna go back and i was like a candy right. Hesam swirly multicolored lists their tastes. Wakes me kids love. Really both the cutting lifts i'm right there with you. Want to give this one nine hundred ten as well. But i'll give it another. Ten moons of jupiter has nice Right okay so final episode of jupiter's legacy at least hopefully for now right how it all ends very fitting title so four topics again first topic. Let's just get this out of the way because it wasn't the primary focus of this episode. Let's go back the stay nine hundred twenty nine and let's talk about the unions code because like i said you know we don't get to see much of nights twenty nine. That was the big episode. You know that we just discussed. But i thought it was important to talk about at least We kind of get the first little glimpses of what happens after they had gotten there powers. They've returned to america somehow and presumably on the boat and We of pick up with walter and sheldon and the local diner discussing about how their lives have changed. And you know we get. We hear radio talking about the mysterious superheroes in What you make of that. That scene is very much plays into any kind. The superhero tv show will movie. That's i think wants to. Obviously bring out that stereotype of these mysterious engines. And what have you so very golden age. A little bit. And i love that. I love of the time. He kind of radio voice of i kinda an at tation for that and we seems apparently i. They actually did this with mosques. They went open about their identity. Right because i believe. I believe it's went into sheldon and walter talking about this is like that even recognize me without my mosque or i won't saying he's uncomfortable with wearing a mask or something to this. This effect i I forget to exactly what the whole discussion was but apparently started out mosques and then they made a public thing. so it's it's nice either infuse yasim. Owing it's like it's such a shame. The enthusiasm did not carry on though. But i thought this was interesting because they talk about ill. Walter makes a comment that sheldon needs to light now when he tries to make a joke and sheldon promises. Walter that no matter how close sheldon georgia are the bond between walter and sheldon is far greater. And you know in. Somebody says that it's good. It's not but so so. I think this is another key reason. Why walter has this animosity towards sheldon. Because he feels like especially towards. George is that he feels. That sheldon has replaced him with george. You know as a surrogate brother like walter air sheldon george. Get along better so consequently walter. Now has this rival rivalry with george competing for sheldon's love almost as brother true. Yeah ulysses ousted from his position as literally the utopians. Where's that reading into it now. I don't think so. I think it could. It's partly that obviously. He hasn't completely gotten through his resentment towards sheldon 'cause what happened to their father. And i think this just adds to the pile of why i hate sheldon. Yes so this just adds to that for him. George for that matter for sure for sure so so i think it's a yeah once plays into the major story or the may knock of the story so i yeah i like that. They had that. As i said when sheldon says you know it's almost like nothing has harris apart right. Yes you know what's going to happen. Yeah exactly so it's a it's a little bit of foreshadowing. I think a little bit all right then later. Seen we pick up with union now. They're spiffing new headquarters. We get to see everybody in costume. We see you know. This isn't a costume. The the the doctor guy who What's his name richard. Conrad that's which you conrad. We see him costume now as the blue poles and interestingly the blue bolt is packing a power odd that looks very similar to the one that has so. What did you make of that. I was waiting for that by the way. Because i'm sure you knew this and show what you make of that readily i was like. Wow wait a minute. what's going on here in either. The sky folks thi that at some point or is actually this check hutches father and not george so you think to yourself it just maybe maybe maybe hutches got his daddy's crossed so it could be that he's convinced he was told that it was georgia's sun unless the two the two guys shed a the same woman and something else came out like. Oh it's my it's my son or whatever so who knows say or maybe george got his hands on the power ride and just gave it to give to hunch. Yeah my executive which could very well be. That's why my thought is either. He pinched in some points and easy like son. This is from me very. I used to wear us. It's actually he never did so. That's why i wonder whether hutches actually at the of the day georgia's son or not and yeah. We are mostly. I'm going with you. The sky fox like you said just nicked the thing and gave it to the right. Well it because blue bowl was the only one that got got. The power got device. You can't you like an accessory if so almost like okay. Nobody else can use it. Nobody else has one. So that's kinda like his own special thing. But i was very interesting that they they introduced that and Then once everything everybody settles down they start sheldon this where the big moment where sheldon starts discussing the code. This is where he comes up with the code right. They don't they don't kill. And this obviously is the moment that becomes just the complete fixation for everything that sheldon does from this point on and you do wonder when walt cracks the joke we got these palace to take over the world knowing what we know later you think. Is he really joking or is there actually some sincerity in his making a joke. We'll see take over the world dead silence in the room king. Just kidding kidding yeah. That's why made me one or is he got question. Mark is he actually make a joking about it or not so. We'll i guess we'll wait and see but Very interesting comment. yeah so. I thought i'd mentioned that all right anything else about nineteen twenty nine before we jump ahead to the present loving the justice league and to just gonna america almost hall of justice that we kinda got which is very reminiscent of that and i think yeah because mine wild the hall of justice. That's brain much. The vibe i go because obviously you love that roundtable. It's kind of. I guess it's kind of king his night. It's kind of the justice so it's not to mention the above. You have the very words by which they live by courage wisdom and so on. So i like that kind of enjoying the justice league. I do not the snyder cop. Mind you with joint important distinction by the way. Do you know what the king arthur's table was round. Don't you yes. So everybody was with says equal distance from each other. The nobody was dominating the exactly right. They were all treated as equals so Which is exactly what they did here too. So i like that. Yeah i did too to a lot of people. Don't know that. That's why. I thought i mentioned that very So let's jump ahead twenty twenty one. Let's go to the twenty first century topping number two. Let's talk about clean hutch because oh are two wonderful. Skimps they You know they. I you know we catch up with at hutches loft where chloe and hutch get into a fight about the relationship. Touch won't open up about his relationship base with her based on who. Her father is a kind of ice versa. Although obviously you can't get a hold of his daddy's trying though as it turns out but hutches wants to keep her safe and you know he feels that you know there. There's parts of both of their lives. They need to keep separate. Because you know hutches involved in his rather unscrupulous activities. Yes business navy not evil per se but at least a little shady. So he's not. He's not exactly working a job that you can go to the parents and say so. What do you do for living right. Well yeah exactly so especially when you know your father is like you know in your mother like the two biggest superheroes around right in your uncle to right. So although i'm sure maybe your your uncle may be a little cooler with it as we find out yes Khloe realize that you know they. They've she feels like there's no chance at a relationship between the two of them so they kind of ills partways for the moment at least hutch goes off to meet with his crew and try to convince them to help him with his job. It's very important to him. But this time powers of persuasion don't work do they. And i do like the fact that those so much points points out to chloe. Why haven't i met the parents yet. This official kind of thing and he actually already questioned their relation before like. I do enjoy doing this or whatever this is right. they still haven't they don't really have defined. Yeah yeah so. So consequently yeah. It'll hutches here. Probably still thinking about chloe a little bit he. He realizes well okay. I guess i'm by myself on this one. But he's determined so he goes along with it even though he realizes it probably won't work numb by himself but he's going to give it you know he's gonna try because he has no other options. Nobody feel he feels like nobody's his gang. His crew isn't going to help him. we have they. Toby abandoned him because apparently he tells them that he is dating in inverted commas. The utopians daughter's like what the how dude remember bad guys. We don't we. Don't associate with with them with the enemy exactly so again. It's almost like a romeo and juliet. Romance that hutcheon khloe have here. Because he's he's he's faithful followers literally bay on him once they find out when he's honest to say yeah. I have a thing going on so again. I know we're out of here. Yeah the montagues. A little miffed that Hutches banging the capulet. Just say how you like that. Shakespeare fans right read a book once in a while. Say all right not just comic book right so so so much goes off and tries to pull this heist. He ends up going to china. Teleport's into the secured room only to find out. There's no oxygen where exactly epoch fe or. There should should do this right. Come on hutches. Obviously that plan for this because he doesn't have any mask or anything with an oxygen tank. So he's trying very hard to To break into this lock box but these guard show up. They toss him around. Beat him up. He's not able to use the teleport because remember he does that vocalizing so it. Because there's no oxygen. He can't admit sailed slight problem there. Yesterday he is. There's like that you know it's curious chows i. I the actually had power dampeners in this universe. Well but they haven't so my personal. Obviously you being the avid comic. Relight yourself all right and how you nullify. These people's through power dampeners the ceiling. Perhaps that may be better than neutralizing is teleporting ability. That kind of thing. Yeah that was my first thought went to because it is a trope so i oh we get the power dampen trope too but no so i was simply that he had not prepared adequately for the mission so just when Hutches about to pass out just at that crucial moment. Khloe burst through the ceiling. Very dramatic because hey you know. She's a utopians daughter. Right with a dramatic. Yeah exactly so. She makes quick work of the guards. No surprise there in touch you know goes over to the lock box now. He's starting to get some exit back in his lungs. You'd having a little trouble with it. So chloe just rips open the lock box because he's like i never the code and he's kind of looking up the code and yeah booth yes so yeah. She's like You know let's just do this. Come on rips it open And they make it out of there before anybody else shows up so they pull off the heist so it's you know the couple that does crime together stays together. I guess i don't know exactly. It's the superhero version of bonnie. And clyde i guess so. Mickey and mallory from From another great film. I enjoyed as well natural born killers. They out there. You go back in the day Rodney dangerfield very interesting. Performance by rodney dangerfield. That movie very much so very much. So they go back to hutches loft and this is where chloe gets finds out what has been working on all this time. She's helping him this high and she doesn't even know what his plans are. No she's just doing it because she's trying to guess show hutch that she actually feels something four. Maybe i think i think that's the point. Is that she actually cast about the relationship in inverted commas morton as much as possibly hutch does so. Yeah it's not just a fling. So i i did get that myself. I do however wonder how the heck she knew where he was but okay well maybe. She was listening for his heartbeat or something. I don't know she. She does have the whole super super mankind thing. The crypto neom palace guessing. Maybe i don't know Or maybe she was stunned. Well this he teleported there so yeah so presumably maybe the because remember. We saw that Utopian could follow hutch where he teleported. 'cause we're so maybe khloe did the same thing. Yes it's a power that maybe she can feel other supers or has enabled on the aim. Or maybe that maybe that power rod has certain sonics admits unique signature. Jeffrey some kind of unique frequency that she picked up on. I don't know but point. Is she got there. And so now the back. You know back in hutches pad. She sees such working in this device in his little concern. Like you gotta use on my father. And he's like no You know yet strong enough to take down your dad. But in fact i'm gonna use it to find my father. Yep because he literally obviously leaves very much instead of this can take down the most powerful man in the world so obviously she goes to dads but yeah yeah so so essentially doing this for evil. He just wants to find his dad. Yup so again have probably makes chloe feel a little bit better right that is like at least trying to the my father or take over the world or something. It's like. Oh thank god right because that could be really awkward at christmas. Just say. we'll even thanksgiving or thanksgiving right. So but i thought that was good so i thought it was very fun. Little exchange it it it brings them closer together once again so so it's almost like they're starting to figure out their relationship here a little bit. Yes they might end up as you said cemented making it official. Yeah we'll see what happens. But anything else about chloe or ch- i i'm glad that the development of this relationship seems to be going along. They might very much become the criminal couple. The bonnie and clyde of of the superhero world so be interesting to see where that goes from there. A quite literal power couple. Perhaps you do this. Yes they all like the konya western beyond say over the superheroes search. Although or he and kim kardashian jay z and beyond say even though they're divorced or whatever. I don't know who knows who cares right. It's actually shows you how much i'm keeping up with my gossip stuff ever right there with you. Tubby never three. This is a big one. So let's talk about sheldon brandon and black star. Okay okay this is. this is remember. This is the season finale. So we've got to have some big moments here right first off. This episode actually begins with black star. The real black star being freed from his cell by some unknown source. Wonder who did that and Later on I guess brandon had come to check on shell the union headquarters in sheldon. I guess tells brand of the conversation that he in grace had about what they had to go through to get their powers and i thought this was interesting. He talks about that. He kind of admits. I've been tough on you. Because of what happened with george so we kind of get a little bit of an explanation about why shelter rides brandon so hard true and we got another liberties of what went down with george now. I really want to see what happened right right. You're so you've gotta be really anticipating sky fox by this point right very much. So yeah because i'm like come on you of dancing around it. Stop beating around the bush. Let's actually see what happens with it already. Yeah but sheldon talks about. George broke the code. It marked the beginning of his relationship with the union and sheldon so as far as sheldon is concerned the reason he enjoys our friends anymore is because george broke the code that that sheldon put so much of his faith in and sheldon talks about. He doesn't wanna lose brandon like he did with george and possibly walter interesting. So maybe he's given his own dot doubts about his relationship with walter. Brennan tries to reassure him that you're not gonna lose me and Braida talks about how patrick came to visit him talking about wanting to leave the union but now he tells his dad well. I understand now why the code was so special or crucial for you. Not that. I'm totally on board with this. Now yeah once again the whole thing of wanting to really enter his dad's good graces and make his dad happy because we do wonder how much does he really believe his own words. Is it just a a front. Make you that happy. Because then when steve laxton breaks out brennan's like can i come with kind of thing and kid you can tag along. Let's do this. Yeah so hey. Let's do a little father. Son bonding time by taking down the supervillain right. Yeah another thing. I thought was interesting. Sheltered admits that to brandon that he also needs to let go a bit and listen more so maybe some of what gray said crept in. There somehow finally broke through the stonewall. I do believe so because he might not have taken brands along previously ready. Because you get the whole thing is mind with the kids not ready and everything else. But he's like let's give him a show. Yeah so so now whether it lasts or not we have no idea probably not but for right now at least so they go to the supermax and Black stir lec stars waiting for them. Right brandon. I guess tries to win Brand tries to help out a guard. That's under threat or whatever black star gets a hold of him and this is a very crucial moment because black star threatens to step brandon's neck. Yes because he hasn't been the choke hold and and he's got to walk and sheldon shows up and he's like you know either. You kill me like your son. He in starts taunting him. He's like look. I know you're not gonna kill me because of your precious code you care more about the code more than your own son and which is a very you know it makes the for very dramatic moment for sheldon because here. He has to make that choice the choice. He's been avoiding making. Do i kill this guy to save my son or do i let my son died preserve by precious code then. Also blackstar reminds him of what brandon de to save his and grace's life he's like are you prepared to do the same thing that you will sunday to save your life or was the code. More important and black star is betting that the code is more important. But just when you know we kinda see sheldon's is get all heat disney so he has come to a decision right so we don't know the question is i'm going to ask you this. I who do you think that sheldon would have broken his code for brandon. That's why i love this show so much. It really leaves that question very much open. Because i yeah i know what you're talking bail. You will but his eyes are lighting up. So you're thinking he has the intention but you think to yourself. Is he actually going to go through with actually shooting out the heat vision. Always you're gonna be like. I can't do it on or is he. Just sympathy black started to thinking. He's going to do it. Yeah he was playing chicken with him being kind of pull back. I almost could be that. Yeah so it's it's a very much. It does now as it turns out you know. Things are very tense right now. At this point very crucial moment. But petra comes in and essentially like ambushes black star from behind so brandon gets away and then they you know brandon takes down black star. Yes and he could have killed him because once again we see the he raised when we as laxed out of the ground raises his head up right looks at his dad like do i administer the killing below. I just kind of knocking them unconscious right because it's almost like a direct call back to the first episode book ends this season the matt guns so the first episode obviously bright in unleashed and killed. You know what he thought was the real black star at the time true this time though he holds off just like his father would so it's like see dad. I followed the code to control my emotions and not kill him. And afterwards you know boxer has been dealt with okay so sheldon tells brandon. Look i wasn't gonna let you die. The question now though is does brandon. Believe it. 'cause brandon says i know dad's but you think to yourself how much does he actually believe right father. What are you thoughts. I hate to say this. But i have a feeling that possibly sheldon knowing re is just that brandon die. But because he's like he's two routes and yeah like if i break the code because the problem is he is is which soared because things if he kills black star he loses the respect of. Everybody tends to speed incredible hypocrites. If he lets his sunday all the young super-swede like who the what the hell you that your sunday. What a horrible father. So he is is wrestling with that as well with. That's a debate in his mind too. But this is this no win scenario here either way. Kobe ru heads. So it's it is very convenient since he is the tree. Save before i'll save for making that decision petra because petras actions. He didn't have to make that choice. So i worry about that. Brandon doesn't believe his father use because it took him quite a long time before his is even this up because he was just watching black star kind of ready to kind of ripple was very very reluctant. Yeah yeah it wasn't instinctive just like brandon. Who didn't think twice. It just went there and just basically knocked. The guy's head off so i i'm sure that's going to be a simmering with with brandon visual. Yeah that was going to say. 'cause obviously i think this could affect brain thinking about his father going forward right. I think it's going to be a major disappointment for him. May actually think maybe. I've got the The idea of my dad will wrong. Chloe's actually closer to the truth. And i thought she was. Yeah right pretty powerful stuff who yes so anything else about this Sheldon or brandon here. Well i just once again i just. I'm so hoping that netflix does renew this because the ramifications of this we gotta find out what happens next yes exactly as on. That's that's the only thing that's done kinda that's left me without because because you know it's gonna pay off majorly if if we do get to see he's into yeah. I'll just say that it pays off very early in the convex saw. Okay yeah so we'll see what happens. But how the tv show handles could be something completely different though. We'll find out all right. Fourth and final topic. Today we talked a lot but we have to talk. Brainwave have to talk sky fox and we have to talk reich who it will throw in grace's well because she because she's the kennedy there to kind of witness or what she thinks she's witnessing as it turns out so here we are. Walter has You know obviously still inside the black star clones mind rike you still trying to prop that door open for to get out and Fits and petrochina. Make sure that the the body doesn't shut down in the process and sheldon wants you to go inside. Pull him out but she won't admits that it's all she can do just to keep the door open right so Things start looking bad for reich for walter and you know things get a little kids so they're kind of the excuse me we go inside the cloud. The clones mind. And it's kinda here that we see that. Walters kind of broken through whatever barrier kept him from kipton. Trapped we start. This is where we started here painting the clouds with sunshine. And so we we see that gentleman sitting at a table and you know it looks like it it. you know. it's it's. It's a younger george sitting there and walter taunts. Him says okay. What are you waiting for. Let's do this. George stands up flips the table. And then i'll send we see an older george there in his sky fox suit at long last. So you've been waiting for this. So what was your reaction to finally seeing sky fox. Of course. I found a major payoff. But i i i was thinking to myself. How much is this real. Because i was still kind of following my suspicions all of water so saying to myself. Is this just for show or we really get the real deal when sky folks was there waiting for him but i was pretty pretty excited about seeing sky folks fully in the flesh and also them having the tool and the psychic battle. We get which was which was great fun and kit and clearly. It seems like wolters getting his hand to him win in this battle so was and of course once again. The bad blood is brought up between the two of you know if it weren't for me we'd never you'd never have had the power because i was the only one who believed in sheldon's vision. You guys were ready to discounted so he is bringing up all the the the past issues. They've had so It made for very very well sold as in the back of my mind. I kept thinking this is not real. It can't be real it just as something. That seems very tough to me. So you didn't trust what you're saying. Okay that's good. I mean i get why you're did that. I get why you felt that way. So at this point grace enters after being projected into you know to to try to rescue walter. Because i guess they see from the readings. If he's either his brain's shutting down all he might end up being trapped in there forever and so it looks it looks it looks really bleak so gray says okay project me in their beat me up scotty. Yes so but of course you know when she enters george sky fox as laying the beatdown on walter and as far as grace knows. Walter are sky. Fox is the bad guy right issues timothy scenario so as far as you know her perception is is that. Hey you know that You know sky fox's beating on my brother-in-law so therefore you know. I need to save him. I need to say my brother-in-law and so she does she attacks George and sends him flying but george apparently came prepare for this and freezes grayson time using a of his like an oldie but a goodie apparently surprise being one of his weapons as used in possibly was known full. But yeah so so we can. Have you know the the fight gets back. You know gets back and gear. We find out that the last time george so anyone from the union they were. They attacked him in front of hutch. It walter was responsible for turning the union against him now. Grace obviously is privy to this of course because he's paralysed presumably frozen so george however decides okay. I'm not gonna kill walt. But i'm gonna i'm gonna show him how everything's going to come to it end. Yeah he's going with this message of figs to come. Yeah so They ended up coming bait. Like walter and grace. Wake up in grace's worried because she feels that george let them go to easily so she's a little suspicious here like. Why did he do that. He had us has both in his clutches. Why didn't he finish this off because things you says. Did he leave a message for us or was he trying to make a point. Or what have you right. You know walter tells her what george has played for sheldon and brandon and lays on the story that george was responsible for clothing black star and he actually gives it that nightmarish vision of her corpse and brandon's bloodied corpses lying on the ground. Just even more dramatic because apparently this message was delivered him telepathically so she asks. It has show me what's a what's sky fox was was threatening to do right and as it turns out. It's just something that walter occur. Instructed obviously fiction as part of his evil plan. so it's at this point that We get the big plot twist reich who finds out that it wasn't george who created the clone and senate it after the union. It was walter if she starts pulling dad's plot apart. Yeah like you're the one who let black-starred star that a cell and unido you as you were trying to drive a rift between sheldon brandon and You know when when with things become unstable year the one who's going to try to take over the union and how you see fit so i have to admit it so much all right so what this point what did you make of that. That plot twist. Why were you stunned by it or did you totally see a well. That's where i felt very much validates because like yes. I finally made the prediction that i was writing about overseers. I don't know nothing about so when it came to that. Because i was kinda hoping to three would i. I love that moment and that can confrontation. It shows your think. How much right. Who is on the ball. That she i think she knew. From the gecko what was going on but decides keep still about it to everybody because make sure to see how it would play out and hey it gives her an opportunity to blackmail her father for fifty mill now. Obviously i think this turns out to be her big mistake because she says okay. You like you said pay x. Amount of money and i'll keep my mouth shut but walter decides okay. I can pay you a bunch of money with. It's still have the off chance that you might betray me. Somebody might pay you right or how about a kill you. And then i don't have to worry about it and i keep my money because i think it's almost like walter going to go with. I'm going to go with be. So i think so too. Let's see what's behind column. Be for sure because it's it's the almost like when she says yeah. Give me fifty million. And i won't tell anybody. And he's of like and wrong right exactly so so walter. Kills her and he does this while. Walter is having this conversation with sheldon which is a great juxtaposition of the two to where you're literally letting the snake into the garden. Because we have this. This is kind of where the show starts twisting the knife. A little bit and you know going full like okay. Walter is revealed as the big bad everybody. And he's there with sheldon who's worried that he's losing brandon just like he lost. Khloe voters like tim. Twardy you can trust me. Everything will buy right exactly. I'm here for you. Because you're by brother and nothing nefarious or evil supervillain going on trust me trust me. Don't listen to the ominous music in the background. Showed him playlist. Just it's just the imperial march from no big deal. So so here it yeah. The walter is officially confirmed as the big bad. And that's you know obviously surprised a lot of people that you know obviously didn't watch the cut. Read the comics. I saw this coming. Because you know. I read the comics. So not really a surprise for me but i think if you're paying attention though you probably could have seen this coming. We s. I think the the the clues were there. Yeah just just because of all the friction that walter had with sheldon and his resentment torch george and you know just it's been building and here it. Is we get to see that. After decades of resentment and bitterness and hatred. It's now all coming out on the table. And walters finally making moves and you actually teased this chows at one point when i talked about them being almost biblically like how about cain and abel yes i was wondering if you remember that yes so so i tried to give it away in the very lynch in fashion. You kind of theory. That nuclear maybe. It's more enable when you say you want to spoil it for everybody but it's kind of right there right now you now you see the cain and abel comparison. Very much so. Yeah larry so big episode aden. We're left hanging so we need that season to lakes. Get your act together indeed. I'm almost wondering though so. Do you think that's right. Who is officially dead. What could be an illusion in illusion that she may be tricked. Her father into being sectioned roots of the dream within a drain. It almost a good question. She may have out mostert a father because if you say she continues in the comics who knows she might have actually trick teradata into thinking he killed here. I am now that you bring it up. I wasn't really thinking about that. But now that you bring it up you might be onto something there. I mean it's certainly owners say it's certainly possible. I guess it all depends on whether the actress comes back or they decide. They want to do more with her as far as we know. She's dead neutral side until we find out otherwise but but it certainly within the realm of possibility. Because i'm thinking if she has her father saint pounds she's probably also able to you create illusions. She actually is able to surpass her father then yes she might be able to pull a fast one of the old man who maybe think are probably he might be out to kill me so let me just something prepped. In case yeah yeah basically. Yeah so hopefully she did. 'cause i wanna see more of her me too but the we'll see we'll see hopefully hopefully we'll find out exactly if nothing else got the comics. Okay what's your rating for this one. I am actually going to go kind of crazy hip. I'm giving this ten of ten creepy hands on shoulders. Who that's a good one right I'm still give us a nine Because it was just dato. It was some pretty powerful revelations but but i of think the comic did it better in a lot of ways so under give this one a nine. It's still liked this episode a lot. Let me give it nine out of ten suffocating hutches and now i really want to read the comics because if you tell me the reveal is done visit this early in the comics so is done extended earlier even earlier so was so So we'll just revealed to be in a many in that first mini series earlier than the towards the conclusion. Okay yeah so that first five issue miniseries you kind of get the table. Because this tv series i think is fleshing out what the comic did so i think you know the comic because it was telling. I think it tells the story much faster. So i got so i got it sooner right so right. Fate of zone news really quickly because we're running long but it did kind of want to mention Sand man yea yea. 'cause we got some santa men news. It's been a while but we got some more cast for the upcoming netflix tv series. Based on of course neil gaiman classic dc comics vertigo series of which i have a huge fairweather. Indeed in here so we got we find out that kirby how that batiste is be playing. Death mason alexander. Park is going to be desire. Those are two of dream siblings. Depressed be playing despair. I think she looks very much. Like the part. Oh yes very will cost have happens but yeah what am i what casting. I thought was very intriguing to me personally. Being a doctor who fan jenna coleman is going to be playing lady johanna. Constantine i love that. It was great that we get in austin. I'm wondering if they're going to pronounce it. This constant time you do one year but it's nice to see the impossible girl again. Yes so so for those who are aware johanna. Constantine is not a gender bent version of john k. I saw lot of this when the casting was announced. That just made me face palm because it's obviously people that have never read sanmen before the okuda jumping jumping to conclusions because in the comics the sandman comics were introduced to john. Constantine's great great great grandmother. Folks could even. You can just go to wikipedia if you want to say okay. Who is is this johanna constant thing or not do a little basic research but no everybody just wants to jump to conclusions in they assume that well okay well they beat this character you know black instead of white or the may this character female instead of male that they assume that that's what they this was in without doing any research but it's very cool to have. Yeah clara oswald from doctor who in sanmen a very happy about that We have an hope. I'm pronouncing this correctly. Naima walsh and julie. Richardson playing ethel crips younger and an older version and f. Crafts is actually the lover of rodrick. Who's the guy who kidnaps sand man imprisoned him in a glass jar for decades. She's also the mother of john. D. aka dr destiny from justice league of america. Who's gonna be played by david through lists who played aries in the wonder woman movie. Exactly folks might remember says ramos lupin in the harry potter films exactly so very cool actor there so i think he's gonna be very interesting as Doctor destiny. I think it's getting much better as doctor destiny that he wasn't aries. It's a great. It's a good choice knowing what's it what's it what he's able to do on the screen for sure. I'm ray i'm very happy that we get with the harry potter connection as well which is nice. Yeah yeah we have Raw rose walker reside jamal as lead a hall which means that we are going to be presumably getting the daniel stuff you know so so. They already teased in the description. that hector hall 'cause hector hone leader hall are two characters from infinity inc. Yo the silver scarab and fury. The daughter of the golden age wonder woman who Who were brought over into the sandman universe. Kind of reinvented. Almost so So it's pretty cool that they're going to be introducing those but but lita least as various central to the storyline the overarching. So she's so. I'm glad that that's going to be introduced. Sandra james youngest playing unity kinkaid is the if i recall correctly is the ancestor of rose walker. I remember correctly if memory serves yes. Grandmother grandmother or something. Yeah it's been awhile since i read. It am reserves. I i believe you're right. Apologies if i got that wrong. Anita reread that Stephen fry another piece of inspire casting. Yes gilbert aka fiddler's green so that's gonna be cool. They just making this such a tasty sort of thing. I call wait for it to happen. And in insp another inspired bit of casting here patent oswald as matthew the raven so it so i know nick has you know talked about here to to me got me. We watched the mohawk series then that that pat gnaws walls doing for hulu on the marvel comics super villain. But here is obviously. It'll be a little more dramatic although patent oswald. If you're familiar with matthew the raven matthew is kind of like the court jester. because he's more like you know just that that every man point of view That plays off of dreams slash morpheus. Who is this you know like endless. Being that has been around for for you know millions of years or whatever and has been and so this big cosmic being and you have matthew who is this human that's been placed in the form of a raven inside the dreaming. It is seems to be the only character. That's really able to kind of. Speak his mind to morpheus. Well i mean you do not too far from the just a concept at least if you look at it from a shakespearean standpoint because it's very much shakespearian kind of character. At least i found a time. When i read it right so so moore casting looking forward to this. I can't wait for this. Hopefully we'll be getting it this year. Walk cost Far as i know. And i know they've been filming so fingers crossed. We give this in twenty twenty one on a net flex and hopefully it will get more than one season so for that as well. Also i didn't want to that. The cw picked up dc comics. Naomi as a series which. I have to think now. They didn't pick up painkillers so that painkiller spinoff from black lightning is off. That's dead which kinda glad about. Because i don't think the guy who plays painkiller could hold his own series. Painkiller sodo series. I just couldn't see happening. But while i'm at it's all right p. black lightning great. Show very sad to see it. Go three enjoyed it while it was on that ended this past week so at least it got sort of a decent ending wasn't ideal but at least it got an ending so It was fun for four years. At least they started to it. I enjoyed it too But but it'll be yeah. It's it's basically character. It has just recently been introduced by dc comics and Very intrigued by this series. I'm looking forward to it because it's gonna be following a teenage girl whose journey from a small northwestern town to the heights of the multi-diverse trine. What a supernatural events shakes her hometown to the core. Naomi sets out to uncover its origins what she discovers will challenge everything we believe about our heroes nice nice nice premise. Right indeed so starting mentioned that fate fan mail game. I have to mention because well honey mack wrote in once again the The ever wonderful. Holly mac who just recently joined me next stop everywhere. Do we talk closing time. So it's wonderful always to hear from holly and she's been writing in all season as we discussed you prefer legacy. So she writes for these final two episodes. Hey charles and nick holly. Hey holly may end a discussion between grace and sheldon about the code. I can see coming since last episode when the fight happened with barry. No one's getting off the island until the island. Lets them leave the snark at reich. Who i like it walter. Finally voicing what's been bothering him out loud sheldon in. Yeah the truth hurt the both of them the special effects they went further into the island. Slash portal band. Talk about colorful. Something designed by apple. Wasn't really hope that we get a season. Two and hopefully backstory and the people that talked to the others in the group about being worthy interesting. You i don't blame younger. Hutches friends in the least when they find out that he cleared item of course with last episode blackstar with somehow get out of jail. Well he had to help to be fair. The scene with the fighting and all of it being muted at. I made me think that i was having sound issues. We have to the rescue in one. Very impressed. quasi boyfriend when she punches out the door of the safe yes brandy taking out black star to save. His dad was something the twists. That walter was the one behind the cloning. I really didn't see coming and then him taking out who. I really do hope that we get a season. Two with the way things ended holly. We'd sydney do a wrap it up here hyphen wisconsin. Thank you so much highly dedicated all the way issue fathers from episode one way to conclusions. This season charleston's netflix kudos. Exactly so Yeah definitely you get our medal of honor for here at the phantom zone because you're dutiful and just you know help to To brightness as we discussed these episodes every week so you very much for that holly and hopefully we'll get more of that as we discuss. Loki later on. 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They hope all of you are as well but that's been years in the making. Oh really there's more there's more. Oh yes there's more because i thought well as great as it is to have lori there we need another special guest so as it turns out joining us joining. Laurie myself is going to be none. Other than jesse jackson returning the next stop everywhere my partner time. He just got out of surgery but he wants to discuss this episode with us in. Who are we to turn them away. Right and now saints fantastic music all went well with jesse entities costing ring. I think that's fabulous stuff. Yeah so hopefully. I mean we still got you know. Hopefully his recovery is going well but he loved to join us. And i've talked about this numerous times that lori night considered jesse family because jesse gave my wife lori away at our wedding. So it's a very big deal for us. 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I think and hope everybody tunes in it last but certainly not least drunk cinema. Where last night. Zan sprouts and i. We discussed the nine hundred eighty five murder mystery movie based on the board game clue and we were joined by our very first special guest host for that one christine paryski. Who has you know. We've we've talked with our next stop. Everywhere and nick talked with undead. His various podcasts. So it was a lot of fun. We had a great time and we got to watch clue together and it was just a just a just a great time and i hope everybody tunes when i get up so posted here shortly. I'm definitely going to take you. Enjoy it and coming up next. We're going to be discussing by voter. Demand from our little. Facebook poll ghostbusters. Nineteen eighty-four so the original version with bill murray in aykroyd held ramos and sigourney weaver to such an iconic movie. So many great quotable lines and of course standard. I quote those lines on a regular basis. So you know we're gonna be having a lot of fun talking this movie and directed by the great ivan reitman who is definitely exactly exactly who son is going to be directing the upcoming ghostbusters movie. Ghostbusters afterlife stay. They keep it in the family. Keep it in the failing. So who better right. But i hope everybody tunes in for that as well so everybody. Thank you so much for being here as part of our jupiter's legacy reviews nick. Thank you so much. Thank you sir. I am glad you enjoyed the series. You seemed like you can't wait for more so very much so very much. So i mean i thought so. I hope you approve of my recommendation. Oh i mean. I thought i was excited for for low key which identity. I'm excited to talk about with huge next chows. But i didn't think i'd get as excited for this. But i really really am so Hey just gets better and better here on the phantom zone for sure exactly so next time on the own episode to twenty as nick said we're going to be discussing the first episode of lucky now doesn't premier until june nights so we're gonna probably take a week off so we're gonna miss you guys but hope you come on back so just stay tuned. We're only going to be two weeks away and they'll give you time. Hey you can always check out our old episodes or he could check out our work on titan. Talk titans podcast. Or you can tune in when nick was on next everywhere as we talked the vampires venice. If you're so inclined. Guess or tune into knicks. Podcasts where i pumped in for those on happiness in darkness and gold standard the oscar spike s. So you got some options to fill the time between now and loki premieres. Okay yes as chosen. I pull up our deck chairs and the phantom week before we go back to this in loki. You can't escape us. 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A Cuppa God s#2 ep#26 Declaring

A Cuppa God

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A Cuppa God s#2 ep#26 Declaring

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