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Ending Racism: What Will It Take?

The Big Story

57:30 min | 1 year ago

Ending Racism: What Will It Take?

"Over the past couple of weeks. We've tried to have difficult conversations on this show. About racism police brutality about what comes next. You may have noticed. We're not the only show or media outlet having these conversations right now, and that's a positive thing. But as I think you've heard me, say before about other systemic issues. We've been down this road. This time. The anti-racist movement is louder and more visible and more diverse stronger than it's been in the past. Is, already sparking real change. But there will come a time because this time always comes. When the attention starts to wane, when the news cycle starts to move on. Luck knowing twenty twenty. This will be because something equally horrific happens, but. I digress. But. We don't want to do right now. Is Let this energy. Go to waste. If now is the time to have difficult conversations. Then let's have the most difficult one of all. Right out in the open. Let's give the table and the microphones to the voices that need to be heard. So it's with back goal in mind that I present to you a special episode of the Big Story. Ending Racism. What will it take? This is a conversation co hosted by Sports Nets Donovan Bennett, who you probably know from his appearances as both the guest host on this podcast and by city lines tracy more. It features thought leaders from across the country who shared their unique experiences with systemic discrimination and their views on how all Canadians can advocate for real change. I hope you'll have listen and we'll be back the fresh big story on Monday. He was tortured. Eight minutes and forty six seconds of his life. I'm not supposed to be scared of the. That's not only. Does it reality? Racism is a global issue. It's not just an American issue. If you look at every person in described you see all shades of fat and dog, because it's not just the skin to. It's this and that that and all of us. Oh the wall! Oh the world is watching. Good evening I'm tracy more from city line and I'm Donovan Bennett from sports, net, and tonight we combine forces at Roger. Sports and media to present to you ending racism. What will it take? It's a question. Many have been reflecting on since George Floyd's death at the hands of police just over two weeks ago. Hundreds of thousands of people in cities around the world have taken to the streets, not even letting a global pandemic back to demand change and have their voices heard. It's a reminder that racism is an issue stretching far beyond just one man one police officer in one country. In Canada, we see racism every day in Workplaces at schools in interactions with police and the justice system. Tonight we try to tackle tough questions to get US thinking about systemic racism and privilege, and to inspire one another to make change in big and small ways. Racism is a complex issue. We know we won't be able to solve it over the next sixty minutes, but we can turn this moment into a movement to reconcile or past look towards a better future all in the spirit of asking what will it take to end racism once and for all we begin the night by taking a painful look at how we arrived at this moment in time a warning. There's graphic content in this video. What do you want an? I can't breathe. Those three words gassed allowed on May twenty fifth. The Day George Floyd is arrested in Minneapolis officer Derek chauvinist. See kneeling on Floyd's neck for nearly nine minutes. The unarmed black man would die in police, custody and mass demonstrations would begin the next day in Minneapolis. The protests would quickly spread to other major American cities stoked in part by controversial tweets, emanating from the Oval Office on May Twenty Eighth, Shelvin is arrested and charged five days later. Three other fired. Officers are also charged in connection with Floyd's murder that development sparking a shift in the demonstrations. A worldwide movement comes into focus, decrying anti black racism and all systemic forms of discrimination. The movement also taking hold across Canada were those three words continue to echo loudly I can't. Breathe. To understand what it will take to end racism in Canada. It's important to understand how widespread it is. Here's Melanie ing from breakfast television. In Toronto with some answers Tracy we commissioned polling firm advocates data to ask Canadian. Some very difficult questions, and the results may or may not surprise you. Let me bring you just one number here about seven million people in this country. Country say they have a lot or some racist views. When asked do you? Yourself have racist views? One percent of Canadians said a lot and twenty two percent said some. When asked do you act in ways that discriminate against other people, two percents frequently to percents that often twenty three percent said from time to time. There are people who are aware that they have. Discriminatory Attitudes I. think those people who are aware that they add those discriminatory attitude he's. Believe that they're entitled to those attitudes and think that's a reasonable way to thank. Our poll also showed that fifty four percent of Canadians have experienced acts of discrimination. We're going to bring you more on. The polling results coming up throughout the show. On, Taylor fatally shot by police. The shooting death of the Maud, Arboretum unarmed black man killing of Michael Brown their names are being spoken now more than ever their deaths, either at the hands of officers or ignored by police altogether sparked outrage in their hometowns and beyond. Fluid for new arrives for Trayvon Martin Luther. Classified as racist. Living today, the entire world seemingly awakened by the brutal video exposing the moments, George Floyd took his final breath, but this is not the first incident of its kind. So why do things feel so different? This time around folks no longer distracted. By the activities of daily living, the glued to social media did glued to the television. This was could not be explained the way that he was running. Oh, you had a ham in his pocket or something that resembled the night. Experts say the impact of the global pandemic also can't be ignored. We AB- dying from Kobe also dying from police brutality. At some point we have to decide, and we have to stop and say this is in the US data collected shows that black Americans are dying from the virus at more than double. The rates of Whites Asians and Latinos meanwhile increased police powers are also heavily impacting black communities in New York City, thirty five forty people arrested by mid May for breaking social distancing rules were black here in candidate space data is just starting to be collected around Kobe, nineteen in some Canadian cities, but there is hope members of. Of the black lives, matter movement say the government's response to Kobe. Nineteen has shown the public. What's possible if you asked me three months ago? Would we be able to create dozens of new social welfare programs in such a short period of time, I would say no. It feels as if this is the moment for us to imagine new possibilities. Yeah, in many ways, the sort of parallels, metoo movement where you have very Paul for man who seemed untouchable and individuals basically withheld their stories because of intimidation and fear. So now we have a lot of these incidences coming on. The face faces in the streets more diverse than we've ever seen. In previous movements in just three short weeks, there has been changed calls to fund police wants a radical notion now being discussed in earnest with proposals to divert that money to social programs in cities across North America and the conversation is moving beyond police brutality. I've seen this moment throughout my lifetime, common goal of the same thing with my parents generation, my grandparents integration I'm hopeful for the energy in the People Power that's been mobilized for city news. I'm Gina Della Massa. Okay? There's a lot there. Start off the conversation. Tonight is Sicily Bell Blaine Black lives. Matter Vancouver in Andre. Demise of contributing editor at Maclean's and Andre actually more importantly. You're wearing a beautiful raptors championship, so thank you the end of the right now. I'm need some answers from you in a minute, but I actually want to start with Sicily in. Here's why we've had this conversation. Trayvon Martin died in twelve. He would have been twenty five today, Eric. Garner's last words were also I can't breathe. That was two thousand fourteen. So why now for the first time in my adult life? Are we seeing a sustained conversation about race? I mean such a great question I think. This is really such a pivotal moment. You know this has been boiling for so long. Black lives matter chapters across north. America and across the world have been asking for these conversations to come to light, and I think the time has come. As. As many people are saying we can't ignore the fact that the pandemic is very much related to this. I think folks are very tuned into social media to the television right now, and so they're getting a front row seat at a transformative moment in history when you think about the civil rights movement, we think about the late sixties, but that was going on for for for years for decades before we finally reached that boiling of a moment and I think that's what we're in right now. People have just had enough, and it's time for change. Okay, so we're hearing that echoed again and again and the tape and by Sicily's well. Andrea WanNa get a sense from you. Do you think that this is just a perfect storm of pandemic and? People being restless people dying from Cova D- people seeing too many deaths on video at the hands of police. What is your take on? Why Now? Why now. Does the question. Why? Why is it necessary for? Police given that supposed to be operating in the interest of public safety. Why is it necessary for police to be? The first was for example in cases with regards to mental health episodes. Why is it necessary for police? When detaining suspect to kneel on somebody's back or to kneel on their neck? What we washed essentially was an execution. We washed a black men be executed in broad daylight. By by being suffocated to death on top of that we we heard about black woman, who, during the course of it, no, not great to the not the wrong address that is the case beyond Taylor. Police killed her while she was in bed and from the information that's being brought to light about that that execution essentially try to frame her boyfriend in her own death. So what we're seeing now is a convergence of both the other. Other pandemic. It's almost like what's happening. Right now is the nineteen eighteen Spanish flu. The nineteen nineteen red summer nineteen sixty gate riots and revolutions, and the nineteen ninety-two riots, due to the Rodney King verdict all happening at the same time. So, why is it happening now? Because it's too much all at the same time, it's a good point and I've seen protests popping up all over the world the starting to look different. They're seeing people amish. Black lives matter signs, obscene dogs, wearing black lives matter. Kolding and so Sicily I. Wonder for you as you see pr copy with the term black lives matter in it. How do you feel about the message being a little bit different right now went from something that started. As Milton, people received the and now it seems to be somewhat mainstream. I mean mixed feelings for sure I am extremely grateful that these conversations are coming to the mainstream you know black lives matter to have been fighting. Since two thousand thirteen black activists in general have been fighting for years for these conversations to to mainstream media to be spoken about at a national at a Canadian level, but at the same time I? Think we do run the risk of experience when what we experienced with pride, for example you know June is pride month and pride started as a radical protest against police violence, and now when we look at pride, it's a much more corporate is commercialized. Celebration, which is not inherently bad, but we do. We do see this issue whereby. We kind of lose those radical origins and I do worry. That's what's GonNa Happen here so I'm just really glad to see young black activists, continuing the fight I'm glad to see compensations about defunding police, being front and center, and being spoken about across the nation, and also for people to be understanding the unique and specific ways that anti blackness manifest in Canada and I think if we keep on that way if we keep on finding space for those radical conversations to be happening. On a biggest stage I think things will change. It's interesting that you mentioned that there is something a little bit unsettling about seeing how. Mainstream everything has gone, which is weird for us? Because these are the conversations that we wanna see happening, but I want to hear from Andrei. What do you make of all of the big companies putting out the statement saying black lives matter, and is there a part of you that skeptical? Is there part of you? That really thinks this is a turning point. There's no part of me skeptical. Literally, all of me is skeptical. He might have noticed the change in energy actually. I'm very glad my sister cecily brought up the The the insurrection that led to what we call the pride marches now it was. An. Insurrection led by a black trans woman against police brutality, and what we've essentially seen as corporate rainbow, washing of the original intent for the marches in the first place that is, it's gone from a radical transformation of social paradigm, and understanding how it is that we relate to people within the black community within the. Community etc, etc to essentially a feel good ceremony, and that's essentially what we saw last, Tuesday during the blackout Tuesday. When the uprising and the rebellion began in first place, there was a conversations about how scared people have to be that. There's property damage and there's writing, and there's anarchy and chaos in the streets, and so forth, and what that essentially looks like is the ruling class of people who who set the rules and boundaries around these conversations, trying to protect their own best interest, which happens to be property and capital and. And then blackout, Tuesday happens then you see the corporatization of the Hashtag blackout Tuesday. See The corporatization of the boards. Black lives matter all of a sudden every company and every agency that previously had a problem with saying those words same them very loud and clear, because what's attempting to happen right now is the opting of the phrase to be able to to water it down to corporate ties to mainstream it, but also to defend the movement, so I'm not partially skeptical. I'm all the way skeptical of the corporatization of the words. Well I am all the way appreciative of both of you for your perspective is conversation. We want to continue to have thank you in stay tuned. We're going to continue it right here on ending racism. What will it take? A. Proud to be black. And I'm proud to be in Canada being black on probably in America being black, but I am a free in both. United States and communities around the world continue to stand up against racism, following the unjust death of George Floyd at the hands of law enforcement, one former NFL player, currently living in Winnipeg says padding yourself on the back is a Canadian for being a little less racist isn't something to cheer about? This is what I live regardless if I'm in Canada. When you go somewhere to enjoy yourself or walk among people, you feel afraid. and. How do I explain racism to my daughter? How do I? Explain hate to my daughter? Butler, who played in the NFL with Detroit Lions and Cleveland browns before finishing his career with the NFL's blue bombers, says being a professional athlete has not insulated him from racism by major frustration is done having to justify plaque for somebody else's acts of hate butler. Who grew up in grand rapids? Michigan has seen his fair share. Share of racism and heartbreak he lost his mother at the age of ten to a violent street murder in memories of his painful past or triggered when he sees violence breaking out while he now calls Winnipeg home, he worries about what could follow in other countries if we don't address stem racism and discrimination in every way shape and form, so it has to be said and has to be said just like this. How bad do you want to make a change? You talk about it, let's write it down. Let's put some money behind it, and let's really see this thing. Grow because we see how big hate is Kelly Bilour. Recently became a father. He says conversations with your little girl about how the world is different for black kids and white kids, because of the color of their skin is in a discussion that you'd have to take place in two thousand twenty, but it does. That's the frustration minutes. A Dad I asked myself. What do I tell my daughter? Be Afraid of being who you are because the color skin Butler now works with indigenous children in Winnipeg and wants to have frank discussions with those standing his allies with people of color who don't face discrimination on a daily basis. That uncomfortable that you're feeling. As a friend and ally a person that's not an African American or black understand. If you really WANNA be part of this, then you're gonNA. Have to be a part of this for a little bit longer than a day because we seem to keep forgetting that black people keep dying. In Winnipeg Marc Newfield city news more on our poll now on racism in Canada. Almost two thirds of Canadians believe that discrimination is common in Canada today when asked does discrimination happen in Canada today, twenty eight percent, said frequently thirty-seven percent said quite often and thirty three percent said from time to time, and according to our poll Canadians agree with twenty nine percent certain. There is and thirty two percent saying they are pretty sure. Our poll also asked which groups are most likely to suffer discrimination with ninety seven percent of Canadians saying Muslims some level of discrimination, Ninety five percent, of Canadians saying black people suffer some discrimination with ninety five percent, agreeing refugees, suffering discrimination and ninety four percent, agreeing that indigenous people are targets as well. Those same questions were asked just four years ago and believe it or not. The numbers are up. Let me give you an example. Those thinking that black people face a lot of discrimination that's up by nine percent. Those who think indigenous people face a lot of discrimination that's up seven percent. We're talking about how anti black racism anti indigenous racism and other forms of racism are actually embedded in our government, and in all of the institutions that are comedian. Government allows to exist political leaders across Canada have rushed to condemn systemic racism in the aftermath of protests, condemning the way Canada governs and polices marginalized populations, but activists warned that without understanding what systemic racism is the people at the very heads of? Of. Those systems are just talking the talk without walking the walk. We don't have a candidate with the Indian Act. We don't have a candidate without residential schools with the reservation system, we don't have a candidate without slavery and segregation, and all of the things that those produced a quasi owens who says systemic or structural racism is baked into Canada's history systems developed during the colonial era colored who had access to education who could gain wealth and who could hold political power. Those systems continue to have lasting impacts with results that are still fell today. Things like school disciplinary practices, the ideas and beliefs that were propagated sheriff during those times influence how teachers perceive children's behavior, the influence how employers perceived the. Potential intelligence or work ethic of job applicants, and they influence how you know organizations that I studied like the police. Decide who they're going to stop and search today. Black Women are one of the fastest growing Canadian prison populations despite making up a fraction of the population and the Conference Board of Canada reports. Black Canadians burn only eighty cents for every dollar. Dollar White Canadians earn author and activist Desmond Cole says while the Prime Minister has talked a lot about systemic racism. His government has sued to stop a human rights tribunal ruling on funding for indigenous children in care. The human rights tribunal has said exactly what I just said. This is racist. It's not fair to give first nations. Kids on reserves less money. And the government has to immediately. Is the funding. What is just been doing instead? He has been fighting nations people in court so that he doesn't have equalize the perfect now. Cole was able to provide a long list of examples of Canada failing to address systemic racism or indeed benefiting from it most recently failing to obtain the consent of the wet, so and people before to build the coastal gasoline pipeline through unseeded territory in auto washout Lee City News. All right, let's get into it joining us right now. Sheila North, former grand chief in indigenous advocate. It Deal Isa. POTHOLE FEM and Michael Box Center for diversity and inclusion. Welcome to our show Sheila I'm going to start with you. Let's talk about systemic racism. How does it work for whoever doesn't get it yet? I think you had a really good explainer, and I think what people need to know is just look around you and see who is working in some of the prestigious jobs and Canada even pilots, or even the RCMP or perceive prestigious I suppose. These kind of professions require higher education and usually a lot of backing of money to be on hand to be able to study and to get necessary hours to complete those kind of achievements, and we don't have that afford to people of color in this country, especially indigenous people we don't have access a good education systems to begin with, and then we don't have access to funds to keep us going for seven eight years, or however long it takes to get a pilot's license or to get a lawyer's license, and so these kind of challenges are inhibiting people from participating in the economy and being self sufficient, so that's just one example, and we see this also in other systems like the. And and like the just the Justice Systems and health and we, we know that. We're not saying that everyone in these systems are racist. The policies that drive them are racist and the people that follow them sometimes, even though they're not racist. End Up doing racist actions because they're following policy. That's been set for them I of time. Good explanation there. Diamond Michael I want to bring you into the conversation because it's important for people to be part of the conversation, so we know exactly what we're talking about. What is white privilege? How does it manifest itself? And what are the consequences? Yeah, so? Privilege as a concept is essentially social advantages or benefits that an individual gains as a consequence of being part of particular group, so as an example, you have wealth report village if you're extremely wealthy. White. Privilege is exactly what it sounds like, and that is privilege as a consequence of being a person who is Caucasian. So I have white privilege meaning that I've never been followed by police thinking that I couldn't afford the car I was driving I've never been followed around store because both thought I was going to steal something. And that is. That I gain simply by birth and assigned me by society privileges, not something that you can get rid of. It's not something that you. Bought Yourself. It has to be signed new, and it manifests Been Shan't. Where people then start to believe that they are somehow better than other. Okay, that isn't good explanation. There Michael Thank you for that I'm GONNA go over to deal now. Who is in Montreal? Where the government has actually said? There is no systemic racism so I want to ask you. How important is it for Canadians to acknowledge that racism actually exists in this country well. It's mission critical for Canadians to begin to confront racism here in Canada. the death of George. Floyd has been a catalyst a global catalyst for A. With racism which permeates America but also Canada, Just as you mentioned just this week, Premier League. Oh, claim that there's no systemic racism, and that's in a province where they passed bill twenty one and Stockwell, day in a panel on CBC said that racism was similar to getting teased for wearing eyeglasses, so we really need to move beyond denial here in Canada and we need to recognize that there are serious issues. There's racial profiling there's. Issues with access to affordable housing and job opportunities There's the criminalization of black and indigenous people in Canada, and these are very serious issues. And we also need to stop comparing. We shouldn't compare the plight of black people to any other people We shouldn't you know. Play this type of of comparison game. We really need to move beyond that. And and and show leadership in in taking on this this problem in Canada, when it comes to this whole idea of racism, existing and folks just not wanting to step into that space. I just want to call attention to Amy Cooper. Who in Central Park. Basically called out hysterically police because an African American man asked her nicely to put her dog on a leash, and after all of the hysteria. She said she is not racist, and that's with that I want to give it back to Donovan because I know you WanNa talk to Michael a little bit about. How the Amy Cooper's of the world can actually use their privilege of it differently follow third line, because if we use an cooper as an example Michael. She used her privileged as a bit of a shield, but she also weaponized the blackness of Christian Cooper in that moment. So how can people watching this? Do the opposite used their privilege maybe to help in this conversation? Yeah, so first and foremost. You have to acknowledge that you have privilege. that it does exist, and it's not something you can simply deny. Second is to. Avoid as much as possible. The White Savior Complex where. We are sweeping into save the poor black people that has not gone well in the past, and we have lots of examples of it so really. It's about as a white person saying to deal as an example. How can I help? What can I do? To be a part of this conversation, I really want to see racism dismantled and and from a systemic perspective. How is how what's the role that I can play? It's not. A matter of me being a savior. It's matter of lending my voice to a very very important 'cause. So I'M GONNA. Go back to Sheila now for a moment then because. We're hearing then if you're in that space, you're in that white space. You have the power to be able to change things. Who else needs to be responsible for making sure that we actually start to put an end to the mess. We're in right now Sheila. Who Do you think? Where do we start? Why think we have to start leading indigenous people into the room into the tables? That are where decisions are being made, because we don't see that we don't see that, in in any aspect, it's very very minimal, and we talk about wanting inclusion and diversity on many levels, but then we don't do it. We do it a little bit, and then we back off and then you know when we talk in the media as well we look across the board, we see mostly. White faces mostly a Lotta white males, and then a lot of females as well, but we don't see the true picture of what Canada is in the diversity and the beauty of indigenous people, so it's it's. It's very obvious and a lot of ways, and then at the same time you know people don't want to acknowledge it so then when they don't acknowledge, it doesn't exist to them, so it's. Simple but also complex situation that we're in lots of work to do. Thank you to all three of our guests. We're headed to break now. We will be back. Stay with us. Sport has the power to change. The world has the power to you. Passes. Sapper. Desmond. What a time for YOU TO BE ALIVE! In the first year of Your Life, you've already seen the raptors. Win An NBA, championship. A global pandemic and race revolution. That's right revolution I. Pray for Your Sake. This is a movement and not just a moment because people who don't look like you and I are starting to care. The man by the name of George, Floyd had his life stolen from him screaming for help longer than it will take Peter. Read this letter. We've had so many moments before and sports has often been the catalyst for change. Donovan Bailey Gold was the first time I felt Canadian pride. The first time I saw black excellence, but even when he brought up race, he was criticized. The first time I saw a black man celebrate on TV was Ben Johnson when he won, he was Canadian But when it was revealed, he didn't exactly folder rules. He was described as Jamaican immigrant. From that moment I knew the color of your skin colors. How people treat you? And that you can't afford to make a mistake. That's not fair, but our life's not fair. Kathy. down. Let your ability speak volumes like Jesse Owens. You'll often have to wait years. You're white counterparts to get an opportunity like Jackie Robinson. Might lose what you worked for you. Stick to your moral conviction like Muhammad Ali. You might have to fight for pay like Serena Williams. May Be told to shut up and do your job Lebron James. Might be blackballed. You peacefully. Make your point like call and captured. The sport the country loves the most may not always love you back. Go turn on the TV and see people who don't know you stereotype you. Don't listen. Nelson Mandela said sport has the power to change well. Many. People sacrifice medals and money, so race wouldn't be as big a factor in your future as it was in their past. You can decide to play and be more than an athlete. No that you're black. You're the tree of a slave. The product of the sacrifice of immigrants, which means you stand on the shoulders of giants? You're my legacy. The powerful legacy of sports has changed my life. I'm hoping it's power gives you a better life. That this is a movement and not just a moment. Love Dad. Joined now by two men who feature prominently in that piece, and who I consider to be thought leaders on race in sport Donovan Bailey and Kema Lou, Donovan your elder statesman, so let's start with you all right. Let's go the real Donovan that Canada wants to see me. Tired of my faces that beautiful base Donovan Bailey. Thank you so much for joining and if we're GONNA, have a real truthful conversation. Then you have to be a part of it and you started a while ago ninety six. Winning gold medals. He talked about race and maybe the fact that Canadians weren't born. Here are treated the same. Why were you compelled to speak? Then then? What was the consequence of speaking? First of all DJ. Thanks for having me on. It's always always good got lots of time for you. My friend Twenty five years ago. A number one sprint on the planet and I've felt that. You know! The fact is I've always been honest. That's number one. and. I was asked the question that was a question about. Training at the time at University of Texas. and asked the time about. Canada and racism, and what an American racism and I guess a lot of people didn't. Like my answer, it's still my answer today. It's twenty five years later, but what's. Got blackballed I got. A whole lot of bad things were said about me then, but what's amazing about today is that we actually have on a compensation and the people that should have listened then. Hopefully they're listening now and we can make some changes and get some things done. What I think, you've been proven right because we are still having a conversation, and I've got this fear of having that talk with my son. That's theoretical for me, but that's real for you. You don't want your son to be trending name because he died because of how he lived his life. What are those conversations like that? You're having with him in this moment. Number one I mean the thing is. As a parent. You know this. I knew the rules that my parents set for me. I mean my my dad's greatest pet peeve was loitering. You know so, there's always rules that he said for his skits at the great thing about me also that I grew up in Oakville where? My parents were community leaders, and also so my friends, parents and my parents knew each other, so we. We really couldn't do a whole lot what? About you doing the right things I mean thank God! We're surrounded by. Sports! Church and school and I also had a good guys. I hung out with and so the comes have with my own. Kids are the exact same one. You probably need to choose the people that you hang out with especially when they get older. Too you know loitering is just not allowed, so if you're GonNa go to your house going there. It's sports. Or even going inside to play video games, but there there are lots of simple things that you have to tell you know. Tell your teenage teenage boys especially. Because also you know my experience is not the same as everybody else, because also growing going up in Oakville at minutes. Because my parents were community leaders. Here Oh community organizers. When the when the policemen came by, they're driving this. Yes, playing, basketball or road hockey actually stop and see hi. You know so so we actually knew them so I'm just saying to you that what's crazy however is that. When I speak to my friends I grew up in inner city. It's a completely different story. People are scared. There's all kinds of. Tactics that are used to intimidate young kids, so so these kids grow up. Feeling. They're less than and all of that has to stop the fact the fact that. Twenty twenty. Human. Beings get to watch another human being take a human being's life is absurd and anyone who has seen the video the latest video. Up the, latest black man to get snuffed out and and obviously don't have a negative reaction. You know they don't need to be part of my society. Canadians loved cheering for your races now. They're learning from you about race. Thank you. All Right? You can't have a conversation about racism in this country without some truth and reconciliation, and that means sport of hockey, and that means a chemo. Lou Akeem. Thank you so much for joining and being a part of this conversation. You felt racism. and. Let's talk about it further. Sports, fans, and also people who aren't as familiar with your story. How did racism present itself in your hockey career? Could started. Right from the beginning I mean My upbringings are different than the. People again at are accustomed to always say came here at nine years old and. Mark Family didn't have much I spent some years on welfare and with government assistance, so I mean I started feeling. Like I was different pretty early early stage obviously socially economically. On then. I also started to try to get into the game because that's when everybody was doing. Canada is just a way of life. And say right away, searching for you have the same. Bets equipment that some kids have You obviously don't have a best car. We didn't have a car a long time or they can follow transportation games. So I started hearing obviously still slurs right away. obviously that you're you're. You're not welcoming our game and. Stick the basketball little. On as I got older I picked up the game pretty quick. Onsite move up levels. At a rapid pace. And I don't know if that's when kind of jealousy took it to Cole maybe from other kids or or parents, but then that's when you start hearing the really bad stuff like the like the n words and stuff like that, which happened to me at an early age in tournament in Quebec. And then moving into minor hockey, obviously, a lot of people know about my situation in Windsor. That there was race involved in that and then obviously turning professional. People know that my story Bill Peters in Rockford. And just always being told that you're different. You look different you speak to. Your hair is different. things like cut your hair. You won't get called up to the NHL NHL and it was just always things that control that we're holding me back and that's kind of what hurt me a lot. Of My career. And I can't let you go without you talking about what you're doing to try and help. You started the alliance for diversity the with six other black players. What are you trying to accomplish with that initiative? Well I feel like. With with the guys, we have in our group right now. We'll definitely be adding There's nobody better to speak on the issue of race in. Our game. This the fun fact leave. You know forty five hundred NHL Games played. In this group and we've all dealt with something of some sort of. Silly feel like were great. great group to begin this conversation. Or trying to do is get into the grassroots. I feel like that's where it all starts, obviously that it's close to home with me, Um without the help of. Hockey organizations of here and registration. I would've. been able to make the National Hockey League or play hockey at any sort of competitive level so for me. That's near my art on to help kids because I. feel like chips get eliminated. Right off the bat with ruthless costs. That associated with hockey and the other thing as super important what we're going to try to. Bring some personality into this game. I don't think it should matter. What kind of hair? Tattoos you have kind of Liszt's music listened to? I think that should be something that's that's a positive to have different minds thinking in in different ways, and there's nothing wrong with that I think for a long time that. He's looked at as a as a white person sport in an old boys club and I feel like that. They wanted to keep it that way. And I think that's what's holding hockey back and obviously there's reasons why you can't compare hockey soccer basketball. The NFL even and it's because there's not lack of personality and the lack of China trying to be different all hockey's machine and people just trying to fit into that mole. I tell everyone I think. Hockey's the best game in the world, but also has the most potential in the world to be that much greater, so that's that's some of our initiatives that we're working on here a better man than me. If I had that raises treatment, that'd be bitter. You're making the game better. Thank you, salute. Thank you Sir I really appreciate you having me, and you're doing amazing work out here. Fighting for us, fighting for the right cause and Our backs, and we of yours and I got all the time in the world free power. Stopped trying to skirt, the issue stopped trying to change the subject right now. We need to be all on the same footing. The people that have the power need to start listening. They need to step forward. They need to start making changes or else. Society is going to continue to be a fractured state. It doesn't matter how whoa piecing you are. You still have learning to do. Things. We've learned already that we had no idea of you can no longer stay silent. Which side are you? One of the. First I heard. Was Negro Right? No, you know and and the connotation whitening when black is not beautiful, anti blackness racism persists in the Filipino community the century ideals, oppressing its own members, putting a wedge between themselves and the Black Community to better understand why these damaging attitudes persist, I need to take you to a city that has the largest number of Filipinos per capita in the country. Mattel Teesta grew up in Winnipeg's north was he's my cousin? And in the eighties he was the only Filipino kid at school until a wave of families moved in, they played basketball. Listen to hip hop and watched. House party with the love of black culture, was contrasted against the attitudes of an older generation at home to Kazmi granted before baseball, and she'd say well you so dark. Going out to the part. Our whole family being shade. Only makes sense to protect black people as much as you can if you want to be. Adjacent to their culture. If you want ally ship, the anti-black perceptions come from Spanish and American rule. What's been called color? ISM colonial ideas about what is? What is ideal is also related of course to the class physician. As so you're out in the sun so long. It's probably because you've worked out in the field. Of Your Asian, we can't be friends anymore. All our classmates started calling him a raise. Hope Renaissance her eleven year old Isabel just learned about racism. After an incident at school suspects is related to covert nineteen discrimination then. Our goals made me realize that. My friends who are black and my cousins who are they don't have the same rights as me when the black lives matter event approached. Was Determined to go. Brennan says more people should look at the issue through a child's eyes, just can't. You can't talk about other people's skin. HOW LONG IT TAKES! Think before we even say these things out loud. That's a learned behavior that we picked up. I think we can learn from kids in Calgary Crystal at heiress city news. Welcome back we're now joined by Orlando Bowen, former victim and current motivational speaker Orlando ten years ago. You thought you were going to die. Jumped by plainclothes, officers savagely beaten, and that was just the beginning. You also suffered injustices in the court system. So can you give us a rundown of what happened? There was immune. It happened at a time where I was very active in community and serving and. Going into schools with police services to encourage people to stand up for the right thing. To do what we could to make a difference working with sick youth and Homeless Youth, and I'm all assaults by two plainclothes officers, and again I worked with amazing officers at the time, and still to this day, the first challenge was the assault. And then I think the bigger challenge was the fact that when they found out that I was acting involved in making the difference in working alongside them as you. cover-up began where I was taken to jail, they went back to the scene where my vehicle was planted drugs at the scene and then charged me with assault. Two counts of possession of a controlled substance, so it was A. Crazy crazy journey. So, we can't all like you make our mess or message and eventually become motivational speakers I'm not that compelling. But what can we get some tangible actions that people who are in similar situations can do to help. I mean it's a journey and every situation is unique. Things we through the whole process. We were looking at you. Know I. Find Representation People who were lawyers who were willing to go up against the system, and not many were somewhere afraid, a encouraged me to plead guilty to lesser charge, because they didn't want to deal with the system in its entirety, but we found representation that was willing to go to battle and I remember them saying that they hope that gives. A good joke and I thought what does good judge to this, and they said well. It's not so much about the truth, but it's what is believed to be the truth, and again I was challenged by that thought because my understanding was that we could seek justice. Do the justice system, but it doesn't always work that way for everyone. which is what we. What we became very well aware of now as we were journeying. Officer. In my case was actually was himself arrested by the RSM for trafficking, cocaine and. You know when he was arrested, he ended up being convicted and sentenced to prison, and people wanted to celebrate and. You know my response was. You can't celebrate that because he's a father going to prison and we know what that could do. Two families and he's a human being like I am, so we have to do what we can in order to use whatever we have. Sometimes, it's painful. Sometimes you know it's blissful, but to use what we have in order to make a difference, not necessarily for us, but for those that come after us, and that's been our commitment ever since Orlando were very inspired by your story. It's incredible and thank you for that. We could talk to you for a full hour for sure, but we're out of time. We're going to check in for a final time with MEL now. We've been bringing you excerpts from. Pull all about racism. It was done four Roger Sports in media by Abacus, data and our poll also asked Canadians, whether they think certain groups experience racism as part of their everyday lives. For example we asked, how often do black people experienced racism in the following situations eighty-eight percent when it comes to police treatment, eighty four percent in the job market, and when it comes to advancement seventy eight percent. If you'd like a closer, look at this poll, you can find all the details on our website city news dot CA. I'm inviting Entrepreneur West Hall, and now, who founded King's Dale Advisors now west, you left Bay Street and built your own empire, just revealed poll results where people say they believe blacks are discriminated against in the workplace, and when it comes to job advancement. This was your experience. So what could your workplace have done to keep you? Well! Keep using the term systemic racism and A lot of cases, these companies are not crates, saying that we don't want black people in the certain positions and the analogy that I use is a situation where there was a lack of female representation in the boardrooms, and also in the C. Suites and what has happened. Is that It was identified and. There was a process put in place to actually address the issue is call hurt a person club? And what the was is, that would have gender parody in the boardroom, but for a certain period of time, which is twenty twenty three day. The expectation is that they would have at least thirty percent female representation. In boardrooms and also in the C. Suite, so. When we set up initiative with respect to the North Initiative, it's really with the same aim whereby we will have a certain percentage of blacks in a C. Suite, and also on board with that will happen over a period of time similar to the thirty percent, club. So, let's talk about money instead of morals, we know that there are only four black CEOS of fortune, five hundred companies, one of which is a female, but we also know that fortune. Five hundred companies perform better when they have a diverse workforce. So how can companies make the tangible steps to perform better by becoming more diverse? I'm from Jamaica right from a small town. Call said Thomasson set up a company. And I go into my small town I. Get all my buddies to be on the board and and run the company with me I'm not going to get far that company. I I may expand outside of the town, but probably won't expand outside of Jamaica. And so if you really want to diversity, you're going to look far and wide to be able to get talent to help you to deal with the future growth of your business. So? That's what we're really encouraging people to do to say if you have not only diversity of thoughts, diversity of culture, diversity, gender, and so on, you're probably going to have people at the border of table in the C. Suite. That's going to be able to think issues for example. Through this pandemic if you didn't have people who thought differently around you to manage through the spend DEMOC. A lot of companies just won't survive. And so when you have people thinking differently coming up with ideas, creative ideas, maybe because if their lived experiences chances are, you're going to have a much more successful company and that's going to go. Straight to the bottom line. So as we continue the conversation, are you optimistic? Do you think things are changing? Absolutely optimistic so today we launched the. The Canadian Council of Business Leaders Against at TAB that grace's to stem racism. and. We put out a press release this morning and we have a number of individuals who actually put their hand up. fair fair high of doting the see your CNBC we have. What's was the CEO Fairfax? Financial and we have a roller docker. Who is the CEO Cisco Canada? And quite frankly we announced this initiative this morning. And what we want is CEO's across Canada to sign up for a pledge to say, we are committed to end in tablet systemic racism, and if you look at the press release, those are strong languages that were used at our goal is to end its here at Canada meaning that we need to have representation of black SINC- sweets. We need to have representations of blacks in in boardrooms, in addition to that, we need to do things for the community as well and within an hour of and out that information at that invitation, and we're going to have a a town hall on the July twentieth which in an hour we got seven for. Companies Large companies that sign up to see where on board and did a lot of them didn't ask questions they go. We're on board and where to to change the conversation. Thank you so much west. You really got to write down those goals and make sure you hit them. Thanks for all that information from us. Thank you for watching ending racism. What will it take? 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The Audience Talks Back:  The 2018 CBC Massey Lectures by Tanya Talaga

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The Audience Talks Back: The 2018 CBC Massey Lectures by Tanya Talaga

"This is a c._b._c. podcast. I'm paul kennedy. This is ideas. All our relations is an expression. That's common among among indigenous peoples on both sides of the border for indigenous peoples. It's an expression of the unity of all of us a reminder that that we are all connected community. If you were listening to ideas last week you heard a repeat broadcast of you. Twenty eight tool c._b._c. massey lectures by tanya to lega all our relations finding the path forward today we welcome tanya to lega back to ideas for one final program the six massey if you like on the massey lectures tour last fall each event concluded in an audience ends conversation with tanya tolaga most of which you never got to hear on air in the original broadcasters lectures we invited you with the radio audience to send in your questions for tanya so today in the program tanya tolaga joins us in studio to talk with executive producer greg greg kelly responding to some of the questions you sent in and listening to some of the best of those audience discussions from our tour. This is his all relations. The audience talks back greg kelly tony. You're massey. Lectures were unforgettable experience for those of us and i was privileged to be among those <hes> on the tour an incredibly incredibly memorable experience what what goes through your mental view-finder thinking back on that extraordinary autumn of two thousand eighteen the lectures film me with so much hope opened so much power in a way because i was amazed to see all of the people come to listen to what we had to say listen to what our message was that was so unforgettable to me and when i think of the fact that we actually did it. I can't believe and you say all of the people right when i say all of the people i'm going to take about here that the massey lectures have not seen <hes> <unk> an audience like the ones that we had we had an audience that was full of our people. It was full of first nations. People is full of any we may t- eh and non indigenous people it was something really to behold a community gathering in a way while we're going to try and get some of that community gathering being feeling on this episode of ideas because we're basically going to talk about the tour itself. We're going to play some excerpts from the audience discussions that you had and we're going to have you answered some all of the questions. We got from listeners but we're going to start at the start. We're going to start with a tour all began in thunder bay. That was a remarkable night when you think of that night what goes through your mind. The first thing that comes to my mind is community community in the feel of power and love in that room. The auditorium was humming. It was like nothing i'd ever experienced before and i have to say that i was completely petrified. I really i'd never spoken to so many people before i think it had a seating capacity fifteen hundred and we were at nine thousand nine hundred almost two thousand thousand. It was remarkable. You know when i heard the sounds of drum fill the auditorium it just filled old my heart when i looked out into the audience and i saw my friends from nen niche nabi asking nation and i saw my grandmother who who had come to the lecture she's ninety three years old and when i saw my mother and my mother sister and my mother's brother and my children and then i saw the families of the girls that i wrote about in all relations from joaquin and poplar hill when i saw all of them it was the most moving experience experience one of the most experiences of my life second to having my children one of the most moving experience i encountered a sitting in the audience because i was standing standing to <hes> the seat was taken occurred at the end of the lecture when there were questions from the audience is a stunning moment actually <hes> a nonindigenous guy a white guide holder guy got up kind of held our breath at the beginning part of her question because it looked like it was going to go in one direction but it didn't went in another direction and i want you know exactly what i'm talking about. Let's play that question. Now i listened intently to what you had to say and your staunch advocacy role for our first first nation community in this country and i want to say first of all. I was deeply moved but i want you to know that change change happens. I think one person time and certainly. I feel that we tonight having listened to you. I've changed a lot of my perceptions my inherent stereotypes just by listening and empathizing trying to empathize with with your native community and i want. I want you to say from my perspective. Native canadians haitiens are more than a squiggle on toronto roadmap you have you have the right to self-determination nation. You have the right to nation to nation contact at the highest level of our government. Go forth and conquer men glance here your apprehension at the start of that. You spoke of oh so something like that. I felt the same way and behind the gentlemen tourism officials from upper echelons of c._b._c. management all clutching their sleeves at that point but it did not end where it began when i was a beautiful thing wasn't it you know i i was also a little bit worried like oh here we go first one right off the bat and then when he turned and and then he said the most beautiful thing and what he said was exactly the reason why we were doing the massey lectures in the first place it was to send a message to let everybody but it no and to introduce canada if they didn't already know us who we are what our stories are and how we see history that needed to be portrayed and he got it that was incredible and got it and there's still lots who don't but i got the sense from this to that. Something think is shifting something some tectonic break happening. Did you send stuff. I do you know i do sense. Hope and i sense soap with people with regular everyday canadiens non-indigenous who came out to sit with indigenous people and listened to the lectures cheers. This was a this was a community event and that's what we wanted to do when we're going across canada and i wanted to involve everyone we wanted to involve everyone. We possibly could listeners had a bunch of things to say and this first letter. I'd like to get to is from a woman named patricia wales and she writes hello tanya. I don't know much in fact anything about the treaties that means so much to indigenous people in canada and we non-indigenous people should what did the treaties say and promise both the responsibilities responsiblities of the canadian government and what the indigenous peoples gave up in agreeing to those promises. How did they shape the relations between indigenous and non-indigenous. He got off on the wrong foot right from the start because the treaties were signed by different parties the trees signed by the crown. They resigned by federal. Well government officials. They were signs in some places like in ontario. Treaty number nine was signed by the province of ontario and they were signed by first first nations. People keep in mind that the first nations people signing the treaty did not have a deep understanding of english law or or the english parliamentary system or english language or even the english language. That's absolutely true. In many cases they relied on translators who were members of the church as well to help them so this was something that was completely different for everyone and so you have to completely also realize that this was take on faith. This was taken on trust that we were meeting you you were saying let's do this together. We will take care of you if you share the land with us. This is your land. This is our land. We will do this together and that never happened and that set the stage wjr for what we see today earlier that day in thunder bay there was an extraordinary meeting actually couple of meetings with groups of local high school students students and they had been studying the first chapter of the book version of the lectures and they came to play. They came loaded with questions. What do you remember number. Most about those encounters with the students that was an incredible incredible day and i have to give a big shout out to thiessen fiddler who who is an educator in the thunder bay catholic school system and she helped us put that together it was her forming of that that made it such a special day. I was amazed to see the students so engaged. You know these are kids are teenagers that oftentimes. Are you know wanna play on their phone. They don't wanna be there on a field trip. They'd rather cut out the dangers right. They were all there and they were listening to what we had to say and they had questions of what we presented in all our relations patients in the very first chapter and it was incredible to hear that they really took in what they were learning and one of the students asked the question exactly on point to what you're just saying. We're gonna play some of the conversation you had with the students but the this first question which i found quite a student had to do with what canada can actually learn from other countries and their relationship to first nations people. My name is karen hughes. My teacher is mrs braithwaite. <hes> our question is <hes> to improve our current situation nation. What tactics could candidate adopt from other countries that have experienced the same turmoil. Thanks cameron. That's a that's a really great question. It's <hes> it's a really really big question question. Two there are so many things candida can do. This book is about suicide. It's about <hes> first nations in you. Eat may t- kids through through canada and also to indigenous kids in colonized nations in america in brazil in northern norway and in australia korea and how all of the kids the indigenous kids in all of those countries have been experiencing the same issue which sky high suicide rates the kids are taking their lives and we have to sort of get to the bottom as to what exactly is going on here so when you look at it when you look at all of these indigenous nations <unk> what everyone is experiencing you see there's a lot of common threads a lot of these nations. There was residential schools which took the kids away away from their families and their homes in our culture and tried to assimilate them into into the predominant settler culture. <hes> there were a lot of racist laws as well for example in canada. <hes> status indians in this country did not get the right to vote until nineteen sixty so when you look at all of those things when those common threads about how indigenous people have been treated in colonized nations to me if you're going to get better. We're going to raise our children to a different level. We have to look at equity. We have to look at how is it that we have children in this country. Living on <hes> nations all throats the first nations all throughout northern ontario for example pull and also through <hes> b._c.'s scotch one berta that don't have access to running water clean running water. They don't have access to proper sewage systems. They they live in communities where there are no high schools. If anyone living in those communities first nations communities want to remote communities want access to the healthcare system awesome they have to travel so far away hundreds of kilometers just to see a doctor those are basic human rights and we don't have off those yet in this country and that's what we have to change in order to stop our kids from dying tanya. You're looking very thoughtful during both cameron's question andrea in response to him. I'm thinking how it takes so long to answer a question because there are so many parts to it and those parts haven't haven't changed. We know how to grow healthy children. It is not rocket science. There is no excuse i think cameras question also also points you and perhaps all of us listening to the need for a universal standard shared sense of justice equity. It's interesting too. Isn't it that that we don't have that here in canada. I think that we're getting there. I really do because it's been so long now and all of these things that we're seeing you know we're seeing jeremy dutcher richer when the polaris prize in music and give a rousing speech at the juno awards. I think that i think of all the artists that are out there. The authors i think of all the voices that are coming into into her mainstream media and i think canadians turning to non mainstream media to looking and finding out more about what is out there who those voices are those indigenous. The voice is our and listening to them because that is so important. If we are going to understand what equity means we have to be inclusive and for too long in this country we we have looked away. They're still needs to be so much change but i am hopeful that we will get there one day. Oh you're everywhere you went. He spoke with local activists about indigenous issues and we played some excerpts from from your conversations in the broadcast and halifax. You talked with richard. Simon taylor looks with a group called leave out violence nova scotia. Now i know no that name means a lot to and another conversation is that still firmly implanted in your mind was really incredible experience meeting him and going to visit their center. You know he is an incredible guy. He is so full of life and so full of hope and help and he is an example of opening up his his heart it and himself to all the kids that come in and seek a bit of guidance and not just himself. He was talking about his home back on the rez about his mom <music>. I'm opening up their home to for for kids that needed help or the for those that wanted to come in what he was saying was so incredibly profound and he was looking at things like reconciliation he was looking at the truth of it all about not participating in the economy of being shut out of these things and what that means to our people you know that conversation conversation that you had with richard simon taylor and getting things out in the open that ties directly to a question from the audience in halifax about cultural barriers as we talk about truth and correcting the record. What are the main agents of denial right now. Now i mean we're talking about more education around residential schools and indigenous history in first nations history in schools in society. We've been talking a lot lot about reconciliation what stands in the way of moving forward or what clears a path in your view for the conversation to move forward in meaningful weighs about the truth but also about what to do to <hes> combat the effects of as you term it cultural genocide in so many communities unity's. I think education is the the number one thing that needs to happen tonight. We're talking here about truth and murray sinclair the former chair of the the truth and reconciliation commission. He always says to me education. Put us into this mess. Education will get us out of it too and that's an important thing. I think think what about business like we have to relearn so much of history and so much of us in this room. I'm gonna take a bet. The law of you didn't learn about indian residential schools when you went to school. You're lucky if you have children or grandchildren now that are learning about it. I didn't learn it in school. I thought it was normal to have apparent. My mum was raised by residential school. Survivors thought everybody had been through that. Those are the things that need to be taught and to not to be shied away from too. I mean i think that textbooks. I think that learning from a very early age has to be about the true history of canada. It's not just all about christopher. Columbus columbus were cartier or sean plane. It's about all of these other things to. We need to learn treaty. We need to learn that. We're all treaty people apple. What's important. Though now i think the fact that we are having these conversations education is truth. Education is telling of of our truths and we haven't been doing that in this country for a very long period of time. It is only recently. Have we been looking at changing curriculums to reflect what actually flee happened here. In this country since contact from before contact who was here before that wasn't taught for for such a long period of time it was constantly the culture to behold the british colonial system and to forget about indigenous knowledge indigenous governance governance and i'm not just saying to about changing <hes> curriculum so we have canadian history taught differently. I'm talking about opening up your english classes. Why are we still studying shakespeare all the time. Yes let's study him but let's also look at some indigenous whereas richard welcome. He's where is thomas king. Bring in our authors bring them into the curriculum. Lift them out to of indigenous classes and make them into the conversation. Yes exactly that's what we need to do. We're going to return now to more letters from the radio audience this one here from peter kroll d._c. The question i would like to ask tiny is this. Is it okay for non indigenous peoples to be deeply involved in reconciliation. I asked this as i have developed a reconciliation project involving the creating of a national healing mm forest network however i'm always very sensitive about this project being seen as a white guy doing something to help first nations. I've worked in international development for thirty five years and this model never works for our healing forest work. Each community has had significant first nation involvement and support anyway. If tanya has time pleased i would welcome her thoughts. Thanks so much this set of massey lectures were absolutely incredible and very moving. Thank you and again. That's from peter kroll. That's lovely. We're all treaty people. Everyone has a role to play because of the fact of that. I i would urge him to keep going. You can look at the truth and reconciliation commission. The ninety calls to action senator. Murray sinclair always tells people if you want to make a difference if you are a nonindigenous person in your concern about reconciliation look at those ninety calls i action and apply one to your life. Peter crawl is that's a good thing. I'm gonna play for you yet. Another question this one going back to thunder bay back to the students which in turn brought us back to the young people featured in your book seven fallen feathers so i'm sierra wilson for mr four next class at saint patrick's high school so of the stories you shared a near first chapter and in your novel seven fallen feathers pitch tragedy affected you the most and why oh that's a big question and it's it's a really hard question to <hes> to to answer. I mean every single one of the seven fallen feathers some i got to know their families their friends <hes> the people that loved them and the tough you know it's some all of it was hard. Jordan boss the las boy to die in twenty. Eleven of the seven that i write about jordan was the one that brought me to to writing this book because i started writing stories about the kids in thunder bay in twenty eleven when i was it's up here as a newspaper reporter. Jordan disappeared <hes> it was in february early. February was <hes> minus thirty. <hes> hindi left his left public transit late at night. He was a stone's throw away from his boarding home and somehow he didn't make it to his boarding home. Somehow he would be found found months later in the chemist quote river two and a half kilometers away i think of jordan a lot and that his story affects me all of the kids affect me and i keep in contact contact with their families to and then then there's all of these right and then there's the girls all their stories affect me to thunder bay and issues there that you've written about that you've spoken about amount to a kind of a ground zero and in your view and based based on your experience if we can sort out thunder bay and these issues that you've that you've addressed. Are there lessons or would there be lessons in that for for other indigenous issues of course there are lessons on working together. There are lessons on living together. There are lessons on acceptance. It's and of growing city as one community not as two separate communities there so many lessons and so much bridge building that is taking place right now in thunder bay an example of that is just that lecture itself taking it back to the very first massey lecture. That was the whole community coming together. The audience that was in the community theater for that very first massey lecture was i'm going to say half indigenous half non-indigenous third. That's right thunder bay came out they came came out for the lecture and they came out because of what has happened in that city and what has happened in that city for so long they weren't necessarily coming out here a massey lecture they're coming out to a community hearing to a place where we all belong to and we all could talk about and discuss how we got here in the first first place and that was the beauty about thunder bay. That should be a model for the rest of the country. You're listening to ideas on c._b._c. Radio one in north america on sirius x._m. In and around the world on c._b._s. dossier. I'm paul kennedy in the broadcast last year of the twenty eighteen c._b._c. Massey lectures all our relations finding the path forward by tanya tolaga. We invited you the radio audience to send in your questions for tanya her five lectures were a sensation and audiences across the country on the massey lectures tour had lots to say in the discussions russians that followed in each city today and ideas tanya tolaga in conversation with greg kelly responding to some of the questions the radio audience consent in and listening to some excerpts from the audience discussions on the tour. This is the sixth massey lecture. If you like we're calling it all our relations. The audience talks back. I have lived long enough to see massey lecture audience in the aisles dancing with in front of me but two rows down the left tennessee governor of british columbia the honorable jenin austin doing the orca when you think vancouver and massey's what harlot comes into your mind that was definitely one of the highlights it was it was really <hes> was really awesome to see the entire audience standing up in different sections moving as they were supposed to be an animal that's right and getting it and be a prelude to the mass he's going to you had voiced an ardent desire for art to be represented on stage at each venue in the hallways in the foyer that sort of thing paintings drumming music singing art <hes> why was that aspect of the tour so so in your heart it gets back to what i was saying about the feeling with community right from the top. You know i wasn't doing this these lecturers alone the writing that i i do. It's not just me writing it. I hope it's the communities voices that are coming forward and they are with me as i'm writing voices of generations nations to the voices of our ancestors and so every city we were in. I wanted representation from the first nation in that host city so so it was amazing to do that to have the art to have the music because we were all in this together. These are all of our stories. They're not not just my stories so it didn't feel right for me to be up there on my own and i have to say having the art from the students from dennis franklin cromartie the high school behind me onstage at every single city we were in was incredible. I said this before and it's so true i i never felt like i was alone on stage because i would see the art of the kids behind me and that was so inspiring and i felt like you know what we're all here together all relations. It wasn't just a member you saying to me at one point backstage. It wasn't just u._s. Speaker speaker but other people past and present speaking through you <hes> that you were a vehicle not just a presenter. It's like what i was saying earlier too about. It's our ancestors and the generations always being mindful of those who come before and then those who are going to come after us as well and i feel that when we are telling our stories definitely we are telling them together and i was very mindful two of those that we have lost yeah i mean all our relations fundamentally started out about about suicide in our communities it also it became a book about belonging it became lectures about belonging about where we are and how we need to take pride and where we have come from because at pride was often stripped away from us for a variety of reasons from residential school from the child welfare system the indian act treaties treaty's colonialism while in vancouver city of course where one of the big issues has to do with oil pipelines of course and huge huge issue central issue for a lot of first nations communities there and elsewhere <hes> and we got an audience question <hes> there in vancouver uncover about the consultation process itself with indigenous peoples. I have asked many politicians consultation question and <hes> anti-basque. Ask them specifically in regard to the expansion of the transplant and pipeline when you say repeatedly. We're building this now. Let's consult both how do you. How do you deal with that. How do you deal with that. You have been dealing with it right. People get out in the street. You say no. This isn't okay and you also have to go to court again and you know that's the thing that's so brutal right because sometimes the courts come out with decisions that seem like they're okay okay and then sometimes they're like two steps backwards and again. I get back to that whole point that i was saying earlier that nothing's worked right. Things aren't working in the way they are now. So something's gotta give and something's gotta change because it's totally not right to that. First nations have to take the government to court first nations. That are the most impoverised. Actually they're dealing with. No water no doctors no education systems for their for their high school kids and they have to reach in and and shallow money so they can go to court or find lawyers that will actually do things for free for them and there are lots out there and thank you for your help and they work back but it's that's not the way to go. I mean i'm not the only one that's realizes this doesn't work right. No consultation does not mean consent. I should have said that. It's what i'm thinking right now and i've said it afterwards it. Doesn't we have to do things differently. In this country we have to realize we need to share governance that means sharing power. This is not all about about money. This is also about respect. This is about bringing people into the fold that should have been in the fold from the very beginning from what we signed with the treaties from day one and that has not happened. That is why first nations may t- anyway communities are constantly in the courts. The canadian canadian government is constantly spending millions upon millions of dollars to fight indigenous people. It's absolutely ridiculous. Go back to the treaties treaties. Go back to true nation to nation agreements because to be quite honest with you nation to nation agreements that doesn't mean in sending in the r._c._m._p. To arrest hereditary chiefs and wet sowetan that is not what nation to nation looks like. I've got a letter for you. It's from a woman named heather marshall and she writes as a female white descendant of european settlers flers are all my relations always distinct separate and mutually exclusive from all those whom you referencing quote all my relations or when you say all my relations am i in my kin somehow included and if so what does that look like when i looked at the the meaning of all my relations which is actually something that is said often times among us inclusion of everyone all all our relations to me took it further it included the sami all our relations included aboriginal and torres strait islander australian people i was being broader and i was also looking at beyond the honest nabi community and also too. I mean like my. I always tell everyone you know my. My father was polish right all our relations so it's inclusive inclusive. We have another letter this one from a man named bury 'em hammond and he writes congratulations on the massey lectures with tanya telugu my question and ask why there was not more comment but the economic system in the lectures i believe that poverty and suffering caused by the vast inequalities in our capitalist system or at the route of many of the problems experienced by business people tanya appears to have left comments but the class system out of her analysis tonya. Thanks for that that letter. It's it's really it's really important letter and i'm actually going to point berry back to the book as well all relations. The lectures are condensed version of what is included in the actual book the massey lecture book. If you look back in the book you will see. I actually do tackle those those those questions. I do look at why is it. We've been left out of the economic scale it again. It does go back to the treaties. It does go back to things like the indian act which actually cut indigenous people for stations people. I should say out of things like land ownership out of the ability you know you you lose your status. If you go to university you're not allowed to to own land. If you're part of a reserve quote unquote there are so many reasons why conditions people have been left out completely of the job market and all of these institutions that we built in this country. The indian residential school system the the indian act. All of these things left people out of the economy. It's so hard and overcoming that is what is so so incredible and what we're seeing now with the generations because we are one generation if not too removed from the residential school system we are putting our kids through through university. They're going through college. They are creating their own job markets. They are creating their own businesses. It's finally a happening but there's a whole host of reasons rules and policies that kept us out of the job market. I think it touches on the next little bit taper going to go to here. Which is when you were speaking with students in thunder bay and this time the issue of kind of what you call a kind of blind spot a cultural blind in spot that you can find sometimes among non indigenous people my name's abby philip petty and i'm from saint ignatius and my teachers mrs morgan <hes> my my question is what is your opinion on caucasian north americans worrying about present day immigrants taking over their culture <hes> when they did this exact same thing hundreds of years ago. I think that some canadians non-indigenous canadians don't have a real sense of the history history of their own country. I think that it's only now that people are sort of waking up to wait a second zero. There were people here for thousands and thousands of years before for the colonizers guide here before my family guide here and that hasn't been taught for a long time in history. I mean it's been sort of left out of the history books. <hes> the the differences on who was here before like for instance <hes> it's it is believed some scholars believed that there were about ninety million people living living here in north and south america before contact ninety million. There were cities all over these two continents. I think that we need to get <hes> gain a broader perspective of who was here before and canadians to understand that more and then maybe they'll see the things a little bit differently when it comes to newcomers coming to this country this historical consciousness that you champion that you you <hes> that you try to <hes> put forward as something. That's really important and yet lacking. It's more than just being an educated person. You see it as more crucial but how how does it play any role other than being a nice thing. <hes> who's the newcomer here you know and and maybe this comes from my shared background as well. I mean my father's family came from poland came from poland. He came here. You know my father meets my mother. My my <hes> my parents only in canada really truly. Could you have a woman and a son. One of polish immigrants meet fall in love. There's me i come from two cultures that way there. Are the people constantly coming here. There are people coming like a wave. You can't stop this. This is what grows this country immigration is so important into this country all of us working together in that spirit that spirit of all our relations that spirit of the treaties why they were set up up from the first nations point of view from the first place for us to live together and to do this and harmony hand in hand the one palm belt. Our canoes are beside each other and we're going forward together. That is how we should be seeing this country. Look at the council to three fires three fires democracy democracy here in in in ontario for instance in middle ontario that predates union of ontario indians that predates contact that form of government that form of working together. It has always been here on this continent canadians. We need to understand that being in saskatoon. Ask attune was my very first time to the city and i was when i got there too. I was very much thinking about colton bushy. She i was thinking about what had happened and how that had just happened not too far away in a courtroom from where we were. I was thinking about the tommy douglas. I wonder what he would think for someone who was so important in the shaping of the healthcare system in this country yet for indigenous people and tyrannous people have been left out of the healthcare system in so many ways. I was also remembering remembering looking out into the audience as soon as i took to the stage and seeing sheila north wilson sheila north wilson is the former chief grand chief chief of the m._k._o. I also remember the chief from lack laura being there as well and that was the community feeling feeling that again was incredible so let's go to the audience discussion now and one person in that audience in saskatoon had this question about indigenous this communities in other countries now i have a question which relates to your last message about finding pathways forward for addressing the historical and ongoing doing injustices taking place in canada. I'm wondering whether they're examples from across the world to which we can drawn in terms of grappling with their own experiences here in canada and you can speak to that yup. Thank you for that. I will point to the sammy sammy in northern norway. It's really quite an interesting system so sammy psychologist ages. Sammy researchers have created this incredible treatment place where an entire family is treated if the child is suffering. The child has mental mental health issues so you're given an entire month off of your job. Get a doctor's note. You know everyone you get to leave your work as a family you go and you live in in this. This town house is about twelve townhouses in this. This treatment facility area and the entire family is given treatment. There's there's a school there too and so the kids go to school during the day for that month and while the kids are away the parents are in treatment and then when the kids come home they're treated needed as a family they also have land based programs cultural programmes and everything is done in the sami indigenous way and everyone the family and also their counsellors. They go out onto the land for about three or four days of camping traditional experience. It's meant to bond and sort of return to the land return to that feeling of who they are and it has had incredible results that the donut of care because that's what we need to do you just can't treat the children you have to also treat the parents into lectures and in the book and i think you allude to it very clearly in that clip that the sami tammy standout as a an indigenous group of people who are both empowered and <hes> <hes> and motivated to create their own suicide prevention program that works is this model. Are you seeing this kind of structure being duplicated elsewhere yes there. Are you know there are things that can be done. I could point to you as well. The inuit have a suicide prevention plan. It's five year. I believe it's thirty five million dollar plan. It's community based. It is based through language. It's based through culture. That is the way forward culturally based prevention programs that is how we need to go forward forward in so many ways and i'm going to point to as well to northern ontario <hes> national be asking nations health transformation agenda which is getting the funding back from the federal government placing it in the hands of communities so they can come up with their own healthcare plans. They can come up with what they want to do with the money in all the nan communities are or most of them. There are hardly any doctors partly any how can this be which it just leads to this question from a listener named brunette not it's actually a two part question but i'll we'll do it one part at a time one question at a time and she writes thank you for these profoundly moving sobering and motivating lectures exclamation point. I now have two questions question one. How can the indigenous community become become vibrant self-sustaining nations if the land and resources continued to be mostly held by the federal or provincial government or private corporate interests gets back to the nation to nation agreements. It gets back to govern sharing. It gets back to actually doing the right thing and sharing development first nations communities want want to participate in the economy. They want to do so in responsible sustainable way. That's good for them. That's good for their families. They're not opposed to making the money. They're not opposed to living the good life like everyone else's. It's not either or right exactly exactly and that's what also too that's what people see see. The second question from bruno to is this. What is the quote path forward for a fair share and beyond the flawed present quote comprehensive treaty rights is negotiations start again to me. Path forward means indigenous led it means not something that's fed from the federal government. It has to be on indigenous timelines done by indigenous people back now to the students though in thunder bay you may recall this question it came on very sensitive issue one <hes> that you've read about extensively and i knows near and dear to your heart and that is suicide among indigenous youth my name's laya project from saint ignatius high school and i'm in ms morgan's class and my question is as teenagers what is are ruled helped with these high suicide rates. Thanks for that and i'm going to sort of localize it a little bit too and i'm gonna talk about your communities and kids at you know and <hes>. I think that it's important to listen. You know sometimes when you guys probably all have friends <hes> that joke maybe sometimes about taking their life right say all dream. I'm just gonna go when i'm just gonna do this. <hes> listen to that because oftentimes those jokes aren't really jobs and people say i'm just kidding just kidding and then what will happen. It's b. It's important to be conscious of people that joke about taking their life that maybe that person needs needs some help. Maybe you should tell somebody you should urge that person to to <hes> to go see a doctor to <hes> to tell somebody else as well so it's important. You don't carry that alone by yourself if you're talking to somebody but it's really really important that you listen. That's the that's the main thing and that just go. Oh just for everybody here and with your friends but also to with the kiss up north in indigenous kids that sort of maybe out of your friend group you know <hes> this listening unaccept- dealing with suicide with your peers or friends for anybody but particularly younger people that is an incredibly heavy heavy burden to carry around with you. <hes> i'm thinking about any weight community thinking about our first nations communities in northern ontario and throw this country that have been dealing with this suicide epidemic amongst our youth and it shouldn't be a normal word used every day and accepted in our communities suicide taking your life. It's almost being <unk> seen as something. That's accepted as normal because it happens so often so frequently. That's why we have to try and do everything we can to look at at the root causes of y were here in the first place and move forward change things. We need to bring it out out in the open and needs to see light of day. The final stop on the tour was toronto which was a grand night in my recollection. I've got several highlights one of them. That is immediately on my mental. View-finder was annesley's simpson and her haunting acappella performance what comes into your mental viewfinder of your own when when you think of that night in toronto i think about the all nations drum i think about the power of the drum and how oh before we took the stage i went out and i met the kids who are part of the all nations drum and <hes> they are all from all over the place you know from all first nations all over the country and they live here and tucker rondo. They live here in toronto. We stood in the little long dressing room at the back and i asked for the kids the all nations dramas to come with me and we stood in this amazing all belong of circle and sam my elder her he was there and we all smudged we held hands and we smudged and we talked about where we were all from and we spoke about how we were going out there to do this together and that was power be mentioned that word power i can remember that drum filling up the hall. Just it was talking about a sense of occasion drama but also a kind of spectacle that you you wanna see more you re. It's a place where you want to be. It's not homework. The drum is the sound of a beating heart. A human heart it a circular. It keeps going. That's that's what you hear. That's the power that you feed off of that. Everyone did and kerner hall and in corner hall the toronto venue. There was a question a very big question question about a very big issue and that is what is to be done about mainstream canada and indigenous relations. I have a feeling that everybody who bought a ticket ticket to hear you today where he convinced of what needs to be done. So what can we do and not all of us are teachers. There's a lot of us are struggling but this is really important and if we don't do anything nothing will happen. So what can we do other than read. Thank you for that and i have from. I have a many layered response question. See the easy answer. They talked about. I was reading then. It's sort of escalates the reading and educating and the ninety four calls to action. I think all those things you know every person can do and read and figure out on their own and that doesn't cost. I don't think very much much money or anything like that but there are other things that can be done. You know specifically when talking about suicide in communities in the northern within communities this is something that i talked about with so many people in communities as i went from place to place to place from coast to coast to coast they you said to me you know. Wouldn't it be great. If there was a safe house a place where kids could go and so when things are getting rough you know at home or at night and they don't want to be there they could go to that safe house and they could be there overnight. Surely that can't cost that much. Can't we do do that and then the big. The answer is a cindy blackstock marshall plan start from the beginning because one hundred and fifty years years it hasn't worked is the place where does work now. You've mentioned the sami before and a model for suicide prevention wrenching program but in that big relationship the big tectonic plates that have to shift. Is there any place where that shift has happened and they're getting it right every country every colonized nation has its struggles. Every colonized nations has its success stories and has its failures. You can look oh cat the mayor in new zealand. You can look at the dawning of a new political party. Mary lead getting seats. You could say that's a success story. Then a new election came and they lost the seats you know so it's it's one step forward two steps back you can look at little programs throughout first nations communities in in canada and you can see success. Stories is any one nation getting it right. No country building is not easy country. You're building takes a lot and it takes. It takes all of us to work together and it's not it's not easy and there's no easy fix. Reconciliation is not going to happen often in a day or a week or one government term. It's gonna be dedicates tanya that brings us to the end of this episode. It was a <hes> a lot of fun and very insightful to have you here in studio so thank you. I would like to say a special. Thank you to to the thunder bay. Catholic catholic district school board kids who provide us with incredible questions one other thing before the massey lecture takes place in toronto. There is a lunch <hes> <hes> in honor of the people involved and of course view and at that launch. I said it then and i'm gonna say it now so everyone can hear it that if i didn't have to work for a living i i would have paid to have been behind the scenes and in the audience for these massey lectures. It was a pleasure and privilege. You're honest to god. I mean it really lovely lovely. Thank you for that just cries on ideas. You've been listening to the twenty eighteen c._b._c. Massey lectures episode six all relations. 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A Vaccination Conversation (ep 248)

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A Vaccination Conversation (ep 248)

"Who henrik harp from winnipeg. This is media digital episode to forty eight. On this week's indigenous roundtable vaccination conversation and with unionisation programs now underway in canada and beyond the basic questions of when and where have leapt to the four will the most vulnerable be the most vaccinated in time. Some like the maty of manitoba say they've been left. Exposed prompting their efforts to try and cut out the provincial middleman by going straight to the manufacturers a situation that arguably raises questions about just how much control or capacity indigenous governments actually have when it comes to safeguarding the health of their own people's questions. We'll ponder in a moment but first we want to acknowledge those who promote our well-being our patrons on patriotic hatred. That now includes lisa at a dollar fifty every month. Also at about fifty. Each a pair of rebecca's rebecca s and rebecca t and coming on board at two dollars a month. It's matthew at seven each. It's marian and sarah and at thirteen dollars and fifty cents a month. It's maria thanks to you. All because of you that everyone gets to enjoy the show. Learn more at media and digital dot com where you click though pink supported and back with me at the round table. This week are in edmonson. Ken williams system professor with the university of alberta's department of drama. Kenneth has gone rick. Good good and mcdougall. Ontario associate professor of indigenous studies at york university brock. Wanna quite brock. I can alright lads. I gotta say off the hop. I'm sorta pulled in different directions about the though about the whole discourse around the vaccine or vaccines should say frankly the fact any existed all feels like a minor miracle as lee phillips put it in his piece for jackson thanks socialism for the vaccine blamed capitalism for its distribution quote a jaw dropping marvel of science economic planning and selfless humanist cooperation by thousands of researchers around the globe the development of these vaccines took a mere nine months since the discovery of the disease rather than the years or even decades such medical research and development normally takes all of which depended on years of public sector funding and in many cases on research actually performed by government or public university. Labs long before twenty twenty not to mention state shepherding and bankrolling of the vaccine development process or in the case of pfizer state guaranteed purchase of millions of doses unquote. I wanted to sort of let people know that it. They didn't start from zero when they started working on this vaccine. They've been working on a corona virus vaccine since the nineteen sixties. When it was. I identified so this is work based upon sixty years of evidence of research for a long time member. Sars itself was corona virus. Yes this is not out of the blue. It's not from nothing. It's actually from sixty years of previous research. Although i thought the stuff was itself actually fairly new and fairly. That's new technology explosive. Yeah that's that's very new technology but the part about all the green to work and share that is in itself an amazing thing and i think it's it's shows you that when scientists understand a public health concern. They will share immediately information. That's necessary for the public good instead of like it. Permit me one more quote this time from canada's national advisory committee on immunization or na c. I under its guidance on the prioritization of initial doses of covid. Nineteen vaccines c. I recommends that they should be offered to individuals. In the following populations residents and staff of congregate living settings that provide care for seniors adults. Seventy years of age and older healthcare workers and adults in first nations may t and n would communities where infection can have disproportionate consequences such as those living in remote or isolated areas where access to healthcare infrastructure may be limited. Therefore they're risking for severe outcomes including death and societal disruption is proportionately greater than in other communities. The risk of transmission is high in settings where physical distancing other infection prevention and control measures are challenging and a ci acknowledged systemic barriers also exist in urban settings related to factors such as poverty systemic racism and homelessness these populations may be considered for immunization concurrently if feasibly identified within jurisdictions. There you go setting the table so to speak and brock. You know in discussing what our topic might be this week. You thought a a pandemic update might be an order including the vaccine rollout in indigenous communities. And i have to say i trying to do some digging trying to get a picture of what's going on Across canada and within specific populations it. It wasn't easy. And i'm just sort of curious about your impression of the rollout thus far and i'm wondering if you had that same sort of challenge. Yeah absolutely. It was only in the last week. I believe that i started to notice. People posting on social media that they'd received their vaccine and by that i mean like people who are indigenous approximately my age. So it's starting to become real now and that was part of the reason why i suggested that maybe that would be a topic that we'd look at because so far what i have is really anecdotal as well it. It's sometimes it's just. Somebody posting a photo on twitter on facebook showing their attic clinic and getting their first vaccination so in that sense. It is exciting as you mentioned in the preamble to our talk. I mean it is incredible in some ways that this is happening as quickly as it is. And i understand. It's become really politicized like you can see that certain media and i think right away of the national post. It's like almost every day. There's a headline bashing the current federal government for how slow the rollout is live in different parts of the country as well. So we may be experiencing this At different speeds. I myself have not been vaccinated than i. That was one of the things curious. If you guys have gotten any news locally. I i've not been vaccinated can i haven't been vaccinated yet either. I'm now eligible for the face to rollout in alberta mother has been vaccinated because she's At a certain age group that gets vaccinated. I but she also works in the health industry so she has to be a vaccine is see clients and she's getting vaccinated on the on the reserve that she's working on the vaccines are Reaching all this reserve is very close to edmonton. So i can't say how well they're reaching other places but this The fact that she can be vaccinated on reserve. I think is very a very encouraging. Sign for at least first nations people around edmonton so the feds have been in charge of procurement. It's their job to get the vaccine. It's the provinces job to distribute it however first nations of course fall within imposed provincial borders. So i don't think the vaccine went straight to them. It came by way of the province. Wasn't what premier pallister was howling about a while ago that there is being set aside for of course you reminded me. We discussed that very question. it can be challenging when you have different jurisdictions i met all berta having one of its phases january to march bc. Its second phase is february to april. Yes absolutely. I agree. And i've heard the same thing for the general population in bc was in order to be in that phase. I phase you needed to be over eighty on then in saskatchewan it was over seventy so you add various province-by-province for sure and in some jurisdictions first nations mateen the age range is calculated differently so for example sticking with bc phase three and phase four. This is april to september vaccines will primarily be distributed and five your age increments starting with the seventy nine to seventy five age group. But then they have a note. Indigenous peoples are eligible to receive their vaccine with fifteen year older age. Cohorts what does actually means is if you're forty if you're a forty year old indigenous person. Nbc between april and september. Twenty first you can get vaccinated in the fifty nine to fifty five age increments and we know why because the median age of death for first nations people due to covid is is younger much younger. Which if you ever needed an indicator of the gap in health between the general population and in business people boom right there. But that too i could. I could see that being potentially confusing Something of also noticed too though is In terms of trying to keep track of immunization not all provinces are actually tracking and Manitoba actually tracks first nations vaccination data. I didn't see one for it. Or may t and that's something we'll get into but in any case manitoba notwithstanding the the goofiness premier They actually are. I mean we should probably more attributed to the strength of the first nation voices. they're they have been breaking out data specifically and so ninety six hundred doses have been administered in total In terms of offers irvin on reserve breakdown Cell dose on reserve nine percent double dose just over two percent off reserve. It is single dose four double dose just under two. So that's interesting to see if also noticed in british columbia. You have to dig for it a little bit more but They've they've administered over thirty thousand vaccine doses among first nations. Sus catch went on the other hand. I have to say i mean their site is is. It's not a rich picture. They don't even use the word first. Nations or indigenous in terms of laying out their plan. How they're going to go about it all this to say to underscore you know what's happening. I if you're an indigenous personal just dependent on where you live. And i guess that's just a reflection extension of Health is administered in this country. Anything to add to that in terms of general impressions about how vaccines of rolled out. I mean one thing. I've seen popping up out of the corner. My eyes discussions around vaccine hesitancy and whether or not indigenous people are more prone to it. Yeah no. I've had the same concern again. This is anecdotal but Just seeing some of the responses like tying this in The vaccination plan and obviously there's there must be all kinds of versions. I haven't been able to keep up with some of the conspiracy theories that this is actually a intended to be like a surveillance program that bhai getting vaccinated. You're you're some kind of chip embedded into you. Pretty extreme paranoia turning us into cyborgs. Yeah i've been. I've been getting the flu shot for years ever since my my firstborn start a daycare and i realized i i was constantly ill so i've been taking the flu shot for the better part of the last decade. I noticed a huge improvement. And so i. I mean i. I never questioned. Whether i would you know get vaccinated. Once the covid one came along but it did concern me when i was realizing that that sentiment is far from universal. Are a lot of people out there that were still kind of falling into the anti vaccination movement and applying it in this circumstance that there was a problem with it and then conversely i'd say on the opposite side the this issue around vaccine envy where people are getting distraught either because canada supposedly is lagging behind other countries. But also more regionally. So i. I'm seeing sort of both the vaccine. Hesitancy that you described or outright denigration were there Mocking people for wanting to get vaccinated or mocking people for wanting to wear masks. So yeah right across the spectrum. I'm looking at an article from the canadian medical association journal. This is co authored. By in mas be and yours petrovic policies for potentially mispronouncing that name but The pieces entitled medical experimentation and the roots of covid nineteen vaccine hesitancy among indigenous peoples in canada. They opened the piece by talking about some of the same things we've already talked about. How figures released by the manitoba first nations covid nineteen pandemic response coordination team say that despite just making up over ten percent of the total population manitoba first nations people make up seventy one percent of active with covid nineteen fifty percent of patients in the intensive care unit. The median age of death. Sixty six compared with the provincial median of eighty three for manitobans overall. Anyway they go on to Talk about hesitancy even opposition and They cite a media report. And i'll just quote here from from the peace after the arrival of twelve hundred doses of moderna vaccine in his home community former assembly of first nations national chief. Matthew coon come articulated his concerns in a widely shared social media. Post writing quote. Ms disney is now the experimental rats of this experimental vaccine unquote. They do say that. This is not a universally held opinion necessarily but the reality is there. Are these concerns. expressed among additions people and one theory put forth Ken was suggested by Sheila north former journalist and former leader of manitoba tweets. Now it will knock She said back in the residential school days people that are now elders remember being used as guinea pigs or having vaccines tested on them. When they were children without their permission or their families permission quote so it's not for nothing that this hesitancy emerges as it. No it's not. Yeah and. I'm glad you brought that historical piece but the thing to remember. Is that a vaccine hesitancy in active dr Thought is not exclusive to indigenous. People like we can just look at the anti massacres are also anti vast vaccines as well. I think there's still a significant of people who believe that this is a hoax and that's not exclusive to first nations or any other indigenous group You know that is. We do sadly have a history being experimented on. That's why we do have this. We have evidence being experimented on not only just vaccinations but there was a very well known Nutrition trial were. They starved indigenous kids on purpose. Just to see what would happen. Yeah see what would happen right. You know hey. Dr mangla your little brother's here. It's that's well that's the extent of it right even in prison population. And you just use them at will because the government says these are ours are word of the state in there for the word of the state can deny. It can decide for you. There's another point. I wanted to make though about A new york times article reported in december twenty twenty that canada by percentage per capita as the greediest purchaser of of vaccines they have pre purchased four times more than the entire population of clinical three with a potential for purchasing up to six times the population that we have so while we may have thirty thirty. Five million people we have preordered enough vaccine to potentially inoculate everyone vaccinate everyone four times over whereas the united states is second. They're only at one hundred ninety percents of clinical three pretrial orders while the north-south gap right go granted. Yeah so and you know. There was a recent article but the eu the the uk having spat about vaccines and stuff. So yes the rich are cleaning. This is the problem though. The rich countries are cleaning out the shelves as they say shows. We've obviously nudged to the front of the line in a lot of ways. I just wanted to confirm that. Hesitancy is not necessarily Happening disproportionately greater or lesser as the case may be Relative to large population there wasn't angus re poll that just came out. entitled cova nineteen canadians willingness to inoculated right away increases again as new vaccine approved. This is from march eighth. And this comes in the wake of the johnson. Johnson vaccine coming on board There was a question asked. C. against the coronavirus becomes available to you will get vaccinated or not. So the responses are yes as soon as possible or i'm already inoculated another option. I would eventually but would wait a while. Another one was not sure. And then the last option was no. I would not get a coronavirus. Vaccination indigenous people answered that option eight percent. The total of people polled abc. He was ten percent so not not a massive variants. their vaccine hesitancy is. I've noticed within my group that if there is someone is going to be you a antitax. They tend to be educated. They tend to be what you would. You would kinda define as loosely middle class. i i think. That's one of those weird kind of you know. It doesn't seem to make sense the more educated you are suddenly you realize. Oh my god. I don't want this anymore. I want nature to kill me or whatever. So you alluded interesting point. Because sometimes i get the feeling that while first of all media always are looking for some even tiny incremental new angle and hesitancy is always like ooh there's a twist and it's but he collapses reasons for hesitancy into one big blob right and i mean as we've just laid out dishes people have every right to think Does the state really have my best interests at heart right. Well how did you guys feel about. Coon comes response than i do. Remember when that came out. And i was kind of horrified by it. I didn't think it was a responsible. Take on his part to refer to you know indigenous communities as guinea. Pigs in this instance. Like you alluded to and i. I'm really grateful. You pulled out that that article because it does provide that historical context but to do that now in these circumstances. I don't know that that did jump out at me as problematic. It's head-scratching i don't know what else to say about it i. I don't know what his end game wasn't making that statement. The only outcome that i could see would be potentially discouraging very vulnerable people from getting vaccinated which i just sees a big loss. I gasped a little bit. And i mean he's of a sufficient stature that anything he might say or any opinion might have on anything is going to be at least looked at and considered right. And you know that was just him on you know just quote unquote him on on on social media but It circulated really quick and again the media pounce on that kind of stuff. Ooh look at this. you know. yeah it's not we're not guinea pigs stuff has been tested tested tested. This stuff is safe And yeah you're right brock. I feel the exact same way it is. You know indefensible when he said and then and it's given this weight. Yeah that i don't know is merited and falls into that. Both sides 'isms well some indigenous people want to get vaccinated others. Don't yeah well it's the same. This is the recent wipe left social media almost every form. I would just get right in there. And i would just be wasting my mental energy trying to convince a bunch of people who just don't want to accept the size as exist. I got into this with again previous covered. I got into the flu shot. And i'm going. I'm wasting my time on this. And i just i am done. I am so done while we miss you on twitter again. But i'm not chump zor following matthew coon come on social media. That came to me and i think it was like. Cbc news headline. I don't necessarily see this as a pile on like what would be comparable. I know people hate when you compare say if a national chief to prime minister whatever you know it's it's not it's not really comparable but if just for the sake of comparison here save brian. Mulroney started going off about how canadians are guinea. Pigs in terms of accepting the vaccination. Dammit that would be big news right right. Yeah i mean. I think it's also important to keep in mind. This isn't necessarily a situation of indigenous people being prioritized because suddenly indigenous lives are valued Disproportionately by candidates certainly not health officials are sitting there thinking. They're prioritizing indigenous people. In that sense it has much more to do with the public health. Notion about you identify you know the subpopulations that are most vulnerable and where it's more likely for the disease spread and then from there spread through like the general population. So what they're trying to head that off and among the most vulnerable are the people who are you know tend to be living in overcrowded housing for homeless on dealing with poverty dealing with other health issues and obviously that shoots indigenous people right to the top of the list of who has to be prioritized. So that's one of the things that i find. Challenging is like looking at this as a public health campaign and the importance of everyone being vaccinated for their own sake for the sake of their families and it would just worry me a lot if indigenous people start opting out of this because they somehow believe that the government is out to harm them. This is one of those lucky coincidences where in i'd say relatively rare wherein canada's own self interest in canadians own self interest indigenous people are actually receiving a tangible benefit disproportionately at least in terms of the timing of the rollout. So don't blow it as my point now population. That very much wants the vaccine are the manitoba and this is something i definitely wanted to discuss. This is an article from earlier in march. The headline manitoba may not left out of covid. Nineteen vaccine program are going directly to manufacturer's the leader of the manitoba federation is so concerned as people are being excluded from the provinces covid nineteen immunization program that he's going straight to the source and asking manufacturers to sell him doses m. f. president david chartrand says he sent letters to pfizer bio tech madeira astrazeneca and even johnson johnson according to chartrand. I'm sitting here with a hundred and twenty five thousand people who are not included in the vaccine rollout by this province so i'm pleading with these pharmaceutical companies. Give me a chance. We are truly desperate so we talked about how the guidelines of manitoba only seemed to apply to first nations. They don't specify mateer. Anyway which is why chartrand is upset. Pallister said he would entertain reducing the eligibility age for maty. It could be demonstrated. They are at greater risk of experiencing more severe outcomes to covid as first nations leaders. Did it chartrand said we've got the data. We've shown you that. I can see why the may t have a concern in manitoba because berta the may t first nascent anyway may t- are all like getting vaccinated by age group so if you're over sixty five living in on a first nations community or maty settlement which was made settlements are kinda unique to alberta. You're you're in the first phase of the vaccination reload after the healthcare workers in therapists long-term staff in long term care facility so alberta surprise surprise. Maybe i don't know okay. I should be this disparaging. This province is as identified indigenous people as a vector that needs to be vaccinated with priority. Yeah i completely agree with the maty Incense that may t- people are included elsewhere in un people are included elsewhere so it does seem to be a a huge oversight and and oversight is being too generous. I think just Another example of the pallister government's carelessness in indifference to indigenous people. It's it's it's really bizarre to me that this is even an issue. Well yeah i think he. I think chartrand is correct that the data does support what he is saying about. The health conditions and outcomes of msci people in manitoba whether or not going to the manufacturers is going to do any good that maybe more publicity than anything else. Because that's that's that's not gonna even happen. They make deals directly with the nation's dot with unfortunately not with the manitoba. Meat federation though. I think it would make a really nice statement about indigenous sovereignty. If they did. I think that's i think has to play. Because he's got to assert that. But i mean it's funny policy himself to talked about going directly to manufacturer's wealth remember. I knew a premier done. And i thought it was him and also. Can you also mentioned that as well so you know. I guess it's a playbook but but be that may right. But i think i think it is basically a stunt by the m. f. but it's there's nothing wrong with stunts if it works if it gets attention to the issue right and Because if you actually break it down as you guys alluded to the math. I mean it's interesting. He talks about chartrand talks about one hundred. Twenty five thousand people in in other words implying that there's one hundred twenty thousand. At but the census The last census says there's eighty nine thousand so interesting gap there but even if you go with the bigger figure right. That's still. I mean vaccines you get a certain price. Depending on how many by and i i would dare say the price you can get for one hundred twenty five thousand doses or two hundred fifty thousand doses because depending on the vaccine doses for each person The price you would get is going to be a lot higher than if you're buying for a population of one point three seven million so i just don't know if the numbers were sailing expensive one to your list. You're on a frigate list right. The united states gets it first because they the most amount of money into the vaccine creation and research right all this again tied into the machinery of you know we have this concentrated area of vaccine manufacturers who can roll it out fast and and and the volume you need and that's the united states. Uk the eu russia and china. The saying there aren't any smaller ones around the world but those are the ones who produced the most like china's the third largest in the world. So if you don't have your own ability to produce your own vaccines you gotta wait. So yeah the even though. Canada has bought six times as much vaccine as it needs. We still have to wait. And so how long are they gonna wait because they're not gonna get it. You're not going to get it tomorrow. And they're not gonna be able to walk up and say there's a they sign like an ice cream truck rolls by you. Know you're one hundred and ten days out minimum before the vaccine even shows up so is even created for you and there's people already that's already you know dipped some called dibs on it already and paid for those tips. You know so. Let's pivot now but under under the same umbrella of you know looking at just how much control and capacity indigenous governments actually have when it comes to safeguarding their own health. I'm looking at an article from march twenty seventh of last year when the southern chiefs organization in manitoba. Well let me just quote from the from the article here. A manitoba cheap. Orgainzation wants the federal government to allow cuban doctors into canada to help first nations deal with covert nineteen pandemic southern chiefs organization. Grand chief jerry. Daniels said a letter would be sent formerly asking prime minister justin trudeau to allow cuban healthcare brigades into the country to provide medical aid to first nations. Daniel said half of his organizations thirty four member. New snobby and dakota communities. Want the doctors to help them deal with the pandemic. he was hoping to see them on the ground within the next two to three weeks. Well what happened with that exactly. basically i mean the quick. Some is deputy prime minister christa. Freeland said we're good. We don't need such folks so according to an apollo park from abc news freelance at canada has enough medical resources to deal with the covid. Nineteen pandemic without international help quote. Canada's healthcare system has the capacity to deal with this extrordinary challenge. It's funny because that's not the first time that idea has been floated around ever. I remember way back just before bill. C thirty one was about to become a thing and the idea of urban reserves is floating around. I spoke to a gentleman i worked with. Who was about to get a status back as bill c thirty one and he anticipated that there would be a huge problem with housing. All these new first nations people and He was correct. You know very president. He said you know what what we need to do. To start carving out parts of the city because that's where are people are and declaring these the urban reserves and then it goes and den and then what we do is we seek help from the russians. We see from the us to embarrassed candidate to helping us right. I thought it was like okay. That's kind of funny. But you know here we are. You know thirty years later. let's get the cubans you know. They're helping developing nations around the world that we fit that profile. Come and help us. So that may t wanted to deal with manufacturers directly for vaccines first nations in manitoba wanted to deal directly with cuba to bring on board the support of doctors as they've been sent around all over the world. I don't know how familiar you are with the cuban health brigades As someone who has an interest in in latin america but they've been sent to venezuela guar jamaica suriname grenada they went to italy a quote unquote or wealthy or developed country. So they they've been everywhere man but apparently they don't belong in canada this despite let me just throw this in there. drips article twenty three. You remember under right the one. That's going to become Whatever in canadian law article twenty three indigenous peoples have the right to determine and develop priorities and strategies for exercising their right to development in particular indigenous peoples have the right to be actively involved in developing and determining health housing and other economic and social programs affecting them and as far as possible to administer such programs through their own institutions. So in light of that how might we look on what happened with these cuban health brigades. I think in some ways like it's a good comparison that can't made in terms of like the the attempt to garner publicity by making this comparison. Just like i don't as you guys both pointed out. I don't think it was realistic. And i'm sure chartrand wasn't expecting. These corporations suggest mail him or deliver Vaccines for the may t population manitoba. But it's pointing out a clear health inequity and that was what i think. Jerry daniels was doing here as well with the southern chase organization is trying to make that same point. I do think that it's important to use whatever tools you have in terms of trying to draw public attention to these issues. But i don't think there was ever a chance of cuban health brigade being sent to manitoba not to say that it isn't it isn't correct. I mean i'm sure i'm sure. Canada would benefit a lot of first nations in other communities. Inner-city ones for that matter would benefit from better. Healthcare and cubans are among the best in the world at providing a public healthcare. It is a fair point but I'd say just in terms of the politics of very unrealistic. Yes i would. I would say there's definitely stunt value using it in that neutral term. It raises awareness and grabbed the attention of the media. Absolutely although it does seem. Seo as southern chiefs organization was trying to make inroads and and do an exchange of a have first nations people from their communities go to cuba to get medical training like it seemed. It seemed to be a bit more elaborate than kind of off the cuff. Hey let's try this too embarrassed. Canada when candidates says it's going to make its laws aligned with undeveloped. I think it's fair to say well. What does that actually look. Like in practice and it. Why wouldn't it enable first nations to bring in any expertise and personnel that they want but from real politics standpoint. Which is i think where you're coming from brock. Absolutely i i tend to agree with you one. The same thing happened at one point. I remember hugo chavez when he was the leader in venezuela he was offering to send fuel to indigenous peoples in north america during the winter because they're like essentially people were suffering in the winter from lack of adequate housing and heating. And so there's sort of been this kind of hanging. There is like well if canada or the united states for that matter can't provide for their own citizens will then why wouldn't they look elsewhere for that kind of support kind of like. Ken mentioned earlier about the fellow. Saying we'll we'll get you know. The soviets are the russians to help us build housing. That is a really effective strategy for for many places thinking africa asia south central america where they would essentially play off. You know the the cold war empires in terms of trying to seek support for their own projects. Obviously it's very complicated for indigenous people being in settler colonial canada. To kind of have that and just the fact that christa freeland could slop that aside And she can yup. The federal government does have that power first stations. People can't override the federal government's ability to determine who crosses its borders. So that's that's the colonial reality we're dealing with right now. You know the idea that we we can't ask for outside help yet. I remember breaking a story when i was with. Ap tanno is up in the shanxi or davis inlet with the new community. There and i was doing a story with Our friend their colleague. Maureen google and i noticed something ab- there was a food program at at one of the at the elementary school. There and it was funded by world vision. Canada and i had to look at it a couple of times. I'm going. I thought they only went to developing nations right the first person to to break that story. But i'm pretty sure it was pretty close to it before the global mail story broke on it and it was interesting to me because i because it was something world vision. Canada was kind of keeping a secret. not so much keeping a secret but they weren't like promoting you know. These children weren't showing up on the videos. Send your dollars to help feed young so and so in this nation. Far far away from us It was like no. This is canada These are indigenous children and they need. They need to be fed. Canada was willing to let them help but You know they're not willing to let the same nation that has the ability to actually organiz doctors and healthcare workers and help your community like stay healthy and have the people. They're willing to stay in that community. Make sure you stay healthy. Kevin help us right. It's you know. It's kinda who they let in and who they don't so if you want to see what the candidates policy towards indigenous people is just look at how they treat healthcare one other thought that came to my mind again More flight of fancy but folks may or may not know but cuba's actually incredible when it comes to their pharmaceutical sector. And my were my mind went. Is you know if candidates so hell bent on getting first nations to develop industries. I see here a perfect opportunity for candidate to once again quote unquote three or domesticate the production of vaccines within its borders because that that was Privatized out many years ago. Why not set up a partnership between cuba first nations to develop and manufacture vaccines. I mean make that a pipeline. Shoot some drugs to different places but anyway now who's dreaming whose fans hear the fbi and cia knocking on your door security or ceases. Certain ceases will lose the filed. Ori i'm looking at an article entitled as the world vies for vaccines cuba's making its own. This is on tv news website. But it's a sourced from cnn anyway. It says here that Starting this month two of the islands four homegrown vaccine candidates will begin third and final trials. I just wanted to share the name. The name of each one two of the vaccines are named and brock. Let's test your your spanish here or mine in yours so barrena. Yes sovereign sovereignty. Yeah the remaining two are called the name of a poem written by cuban revolutionary icon. Jose marti and m- visa referring to cuban guerrillas who fought a bloody war for freedom against the spanish. Wow so could you imagine I they should making so i at the same time to i mean is a completely different approach to health. According to the world bank cuba's eight point two doctors for every one thousand citizens canada. Two point six. Some people say quite vociferously and i think with with merit that There's not enough. Doctors in the south of candidate never mind on reserve so And this is the funny thing right. I shudder to think what would happen if there weren't vaccines as an option. I mean i don't know where things would be right now and i mean you. You can't vaccinate against poverty masks. Don't filter out unsafe drinking water. Like i mean these are the big. Yeah i would hope that in all this question but why first nations people are at the front of the line so to speak that people do a deep dive and they won't but that the media do a deep dive into why health conditions are the way they are. You're just but you know what you're touching on their social indicators of health social determinants of health that go beyond just the mere study of how a germ jumps from one person to another. It's about why you know. Behavior or y force. Behavior leads to certain thanks a alumni award from the university of alberta and i was sitting next to another guy who was one of the like the star award winners right and he was someone who was instrumental in like saving millions of people's live because of study and tuberculosis and he said tuberculosis is not a disease of Not a disease of itself. It's a it's a social disease disease of politics right. He's poverty you know it's a political disease. And he goes you change the political situation of people and you know it does changing a lot of things like their economies are housing Circumstances their ability to make democratic this disease dissipates. And again we're looking at why you know going about vaccines whether vaccines while we still have smallpox right in small. We can just have to look at the history of our of our nations to look at what smallpox d'etats And if people say that are natural immunity was strong. Smallpox hit a lot of indigenous communities of north and south america at their strongest and wiped them out. So it's his vaccines work. You know they think too is the inordinate amount of media time spent on some having an adverse reaction. It's not like someone isn't going to have an adverse reaction but people still drive cars near the most dangerous way to travel aside from air travel right but plane crashes make more news than car crashes i i wanna keep on this framing of the vaccine. Because i can't quite articulate it. Perhaps both of you can can take me the rest of the way. But i got I got a press release from ontario services department and it was all very like oh my god. We've done this amazing thing. We've completed the first dose of covid vaccinations in northern remote indigenous communities. This is a part of operation remote immunity the champion the fact that they visited all thirty one fly in northern communities and this is of course an awesome thing on its face on the other hand. It's this real kind of settle government self-congratulatory nece about vaccination when we've just spent a good chunk of time talking about how will why were they prioritized because they don't have the healthcare infrastructure. They don't have clean drinking water. In a lot of cases they don't have hospitals. They don't have infrastructure period. And so you had to go to these kind of heroic efforts. Yano i mean. That's that's part of what government. Stu is in order to process. They have to trumpet their own supposed accomplishments. Sometimes they go far beyond that end up just spinning achievements when there are none. I mean a part of it too. I really liked cans. Point about the The political aspects on the social aspects of something like two says one of things that came up early on is that if somebody covid caught the public imagination the united states and if somebody was hospitalized for covid that was covered as somebody was hospitalized for almost any other reason that was not covered in the because they have a private medical system there. And so it was alarming. How two people could go in for almost the exact same reasons. And if somebody had a like a different strain of the flu they be entirely on the hook for the tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars of their care. Yeah but the. Us again became fixated on. I think the same risk exist here. And i've heard peop- different people. I've seen kinda drawn our attention to that as well. There's so many. Other social determinants of health that are allowed to degrade or just not be prioritized by canada when it comes to indigenous peoples but this one is one that's very high profile and so this is another part of the reason why it seems like there's so much attention being brought to it what i infer from what you said so long as our diseases or communicable to the population. Yes they're gonna move heaven and earth to vaccinate us yes but when we have diseases that aren't communicable. They're going to be less prompt in attention. I would agree and and tuberculosis is just. You could not be more stark right. The contrast to the extent that were vector canadians losers. What's it sort of seemed like. Oh we can't catch commute okay. There's a great note to go off on it but also like what is going to be a backlash. I mean the fact that the that exact messaging that the government puts out there. Oh my god. We're doing so much for indigenous people. You know like you know then okay. There's always a consequence to that. Because i actually had this conversation with my partner. I said like i asked her to. Please don't post when you get vaccinated because For one she's indigenous she also is a schoolteacher so she's like sometimes considered like not frontline worker but kind of like what is the term they use for people who actually essential workers. Thank you so to my mind. She'll probably be bumped up earlier and she'll probably get vaccinated ahead of others. And i am aware that i've seen backlash happen. I i know people who got vaccinated in toronto relatively young and that was there wasn't immediate backlash from other indigenous people in toronto. Seeing how the heck did you get vaccinated ahead of me. Like i am an elder or whatever. So it's going to be happening internally within our own families and communities. But i think there could be a pretty big backlash coming from non-indigenous people who see all the the you know the bs federal rights. Oh exactly the free cars. Free houses no taxes like all that kind of stuff that they have in terms of their misperception of what indigenous life actually is that this is just another example of indigenous peoples. Getting you know steph. Just handed to them. I think that's something that's brewing. And i've seen it like i just dropping my kids off at school one of the other parents. I was speaking with Afterwards in he looks haunted like he. He looks absolutely terrified. That he's gonna be like the last man who dies of kovic you know what i mean like the last man of world war one or something and and he's just desperate to get his family vaccinated. I think for people who are feeling that That fear still. You know concerned for themselves and their families That perception that indigenous people are being prioritized. There could be a pretty significant blow back to that. Even though ironically it's to protect non-indigenous people arguably that we're getting vaccinated. I would say so now. It's it's funny how this special rights framing get can onto anything. Yeah including a pandemic. Yeah all right well I can't come up with any clever wordplay in terms of saying goodbye to you in terms of you know thank you for jabbing me with ideas. No that doesn't work. No dad jokes here. I'm afraid we knocked late at ourselves from all the humor that we can get nothing here will spread. What a conversation. We just had this please while you listen to this podcast. Stay six feet away or two meters from the speaker. Indeed perhaps it will go viral. This conversation Alright stop me before. I heard somebody brockett ken. Thank you always a pleasure. Thanks guys and that's it for media digital episode. Two hundred and forty eight recorded the morning of tuesday march ninth two thousand and twenty one. Thanks again brock. Pit of quote associate professor of indigenous studies at york university and ken williams assistant professor with the university of alberta's department of drama. This edition of the podcast was edited by stephanie. Would hosted and produced by yours truly riccar. Thanks for listening. We'll talk with you again soon. I will say. Our theme is nesting bureaucratic.

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06-08-20 Coronavirus concerns disrupt Native meat suppliers

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06-08-20 Coronavirus concerns disrupt Native meat suppliers

"Welcome to native America calling from Studio Forty nine. In Albuquerque. I'm Tara Gatewood. Outbreaks of Covid, nineteen among people working in large processing plant are a health risk and reports aides slowing down production. This situation is also causing problems for some native producers cattle ranchers. And it's having an effect on what consumers have available at certain stories coming up, we're going to hear about the challenges in the food supply chain as more people navigate the endemic. We live right after national lead of news. This is National Native News Antonio. Gonzales the Mashpee womp og tribe, the National Congress of American Indians and the United South and eastern tribes are urging the Department of the Interior to reaffirm the status of the Massachusetts tribes reservation after a federal court, Friday ruled in favor of the tribe. The Interior Department had intended to disestablish the tribes reservation. The US District, court for. For the District of Columbia found the Interior Department's two thousand eighteen decision. The tribe did not qualify under federal jurisdiction was arbitrary, capricious and contrary to law in a statement Chairman Cedric Cromwell said the court righted. What would have been a terrible injustice and committed to fight if necessary to ensure their land remains entrust as the interior department is ordered to reevaluate its decision. Minnesota Department of Health. Officials say they're increasing the amount of COVID, nineteen testing among people who have attended protests over the death of George Floyd Melissa Townsend reports. Thousands of people have been gathering together across Minnesota for nearly two weeks. Floyd was an African American man who died after a white police officer knelt on his neck for nearly nine minutes. Health, officials say these gatherings put many at risk for contracting covid nineteen. Mario and is a at physician and head of the center of American Indian and minority health at the University of Minnesota Medical School in Duluth while I'm really fearful of impact. The protests are going to have on rising rates of Cova and I have to admit. I went down to one of them myself because they just felt like they needed to be there. And also just let African American people in particular. Know about the solitaire. But I do worry Minnesota's Commissioner of Health Jan. Malcolm says her department will step up testing. The coronavirus takes about a week to incubate so Malcolm is encouraging people to get tested about a week after they'd been at large gathering for national. Native News. I'm Melissa Townsend. The Canadian government has delayed its promised National Action Plan to tackle systemic racism, facing the country's indigenous people down carpet has more recently announced the delay in implementing the plan because of the covid nineteen pandemic, the plan followed last year's inquiry into missing and murdered indigenous women and girls. That inquiry presented its final report in June, and it concluded that decades of systemic racism and human rights violations had contributed to hundreds of missing. Missing in murdered indigenous women and girls over the years, Sheila North is a former grand chief of northern Manitoba. She says she's disheartened. By the delay in the action plan against systemic racism, north also takes exception to comments made by at least one Canadian political leader that systemic racism does not exist in Canada as it does in the US I go meet that the mothers and the sisters and family members of the ones. Ones that have been taken a very very sensitive and touchy subject, and for people to be blatant, and to be so dismissive like that is just reminiscent of what they've been dealing with for many generations and very hurtful to here, and it's very concerning to know that this this kind of thinking still persistent Canada North says indigenous people make up just over four percent of the Canadian population, but more than twenty four percent. percent of the country's prison population. She says there are parallels in what's happening to black Americans and indigenous Canadians. Especially in their interactions with police, she says the biggest difference between the two countries is that the death of George? Floyd was caught on camera. She adds racially motivated. Incidents take place daily to Canada's indigenous people, but out of the public's eye for national native news. I'm Dan Kerpen. Chuck and Damian Tonio Gonzales. 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In May the Centers for disease, control and Prevention reported nearly five thousand covid nineteen cases in more than one hundred meat processing plants across the country. That put a pause and some meat production, and the effects of that are affecting cattle, ranchers, and the availability of meat in certain stores distance despite President Donald Trump's executive order requiring meat processing plants to remain open. Many plants have limited operations because of the outbreaks. In this hour we'll talk about current food supply chains, and how some tribes are working to adjust, you can join us to. Are you concerned about your food supply chain Are you a farmer rancher? Who is feeling the effects of covid nineteen? Give us a call at one eight hundred. Hundred nine, six, two, eight, four eight, and does your tribe operate at culture businesses? Are you creating your own food sovereignty by growing a garden or keeping chickens for the first time because of covid nineteen? If you want to join us, our phone lines are open. The numbers, also one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, native and today. We're GONNA. Start off in Eagle Butte South Dakota. We Have Zach do show. He is the executive director for the Intertribal Agricultural Council, and he is Cheyenne River Sioux our pleasure to have him here with us. Today Zach Welcome. Thank you good to beer. Insect tells a little bit about how covid nineteen has affected your operations. From the organizational standpoint, our operations, most of our work happens at the producers. or at conferences, so we've had to really real back in our our conference attendance and our workshops that we hold. So. That's been challenging to to make those connections where we're out there. Providing the curriculum that we've spent the last three decades building help improve food systems. From the perspective of AG producers all across the country. The the effects of coded and pandemic. Really, are just laying bare the underlying problems that we've existed. With, since the since four beginning in fourteen, ninety one we, we have an inherently fragile and unsustainable food system. And are are Indian country it food economies are. Microcosm of that. My reservation here, the Cheyenne River Sioux we grew forty to fifty thousand head of the best beef cattle in the country every year. Are Tribal. Grocery store was rationing hamburger. because. We couldn't get enough from our suppliers. So we're. We're existing within this. Brittle fragile foods system structure. Where all of our natural resources in the form of commodities are exported. And then we import food into our into our grocery stores and retailers so that that's been really challenging and. The way that's affected the producers. Is. It's put a lot more weight on the industrial corporate agriculture. Influence in the system. They're limiting the supply. That's coming out of those factories even before they had any outbreaks. So that they can say. There's a backlog so that they can say that they can pay less for the products coming in. While, they're just piling up. Product that they're going to sell at an increased rate because they're saying there's not enough to go along, so it's. It's been real challenging Few months for our producers, the lack of Tangible efforts on behalf of the USDA have continued to to prove frustrating, but we're starting to see some movement there. and. Very early on in this, we decided that we were gonNA take a survey of our tribal tribal businesses or tribal lack producers, and and we got some really interesting results. Eighty three percent of our producers have already been adversely affected by by ten thousand dollars or more. In in their egg production this early into this crisis. And that's what the understanding that most of our producers are going to be marketing their product. From. August through December as the production cycle comes to a close for this year. So it's the we're already seeing tangible effects that are that are really going to resonate throughout our tribal governments because a number `nother. Component of this food system is that many of our tribal nations that are that have a large land base bigger than their tribal farm could actually operate on their own. Or permit that land out to their tribal members or others. And that income goes to support basic government functions, so there's GonNa. Be a double whammy coming this fall when producers. Existing in this world of uncertainty may realize. Lower sales income. And may not be able to pay those rental or lease payments. Well in you know just thinking of everything that is connected to this in how the system works it. Sometimes people don't understand this, but there's a lot that's coming to light, and we're learning things that maybe we didn't consider before because of the pandemic in what it showing when there is a glitch. Glitch in the system where the system or the link is broken and so for us, AC? understanding the importance of safety in all this. Has Anything else changed in in the way? production is going specially in cattle. we see many news stories of infections at different meat processing plant anything you want to share about connection to that or even keeping safe. What? We've really emphasized to our our tribal constituency icees membership is all federally recognized tribes and Alaska. Native villages and we've really stressed the importance even more so in light of this. Of developing local food systems and part of that. In. The central part of that is four tribes. To stand up and exercise their sovereign right to have their own food safety standards approved. Which would then create the pathway for local and regional processing facilities, whether it's meat, processing, or grain, handling or vegetable or or farmers markets? We have to have our producers producing to the tribal standard, not trying to conform to some state standard. or or a federal standard that has. Created without the understanding of our of our remote locations and our economic situation. Can you describe what it is you're you're. You're talking about of those standards that would be there for tribes, and that would work with the system as opposed to trying to fit in to state or federal describe what you mean. Absolutely, so in order to sell will just US beef, since we've talked a little bit about cows in order to sell meat to an individual. We would have to take that. Meet and have it processed that either state inspected facility or a federally inspected facility. And, only then could we sell the product? When? You know a significant number of our population have the capacity to be butchering their own livestock, they they hunt and fish for subsistence on a pretty regular basis, so they know their way around the processing of an animal. Our tribes have yet to take that step into cementing and tribal policy from the position of tribal sovereignty. Guidelines for the food safety and the regulation of the processing facilities that May. Exist within their jurisdiction, so has as a result. We've got our friends at the CO-OP. Tribe in Oklahoma have a state of the art processing facility, but they have to have federal inspection on it. In order to market their product. Even across the state line there into Arkansas. If they tribe does a thoughtful job of standing up its food safety regulations. Those can then be vetted by other jurisdictions, and they could say hey, you know that works as long as it's got. The Cheyenne River Sioux tribe stamp of approval. We know that the safety of the food product is there, and we will comfortably allow that to come into our jurisdiction. The challenge that we face right now is. We have the federal inspection that requires that. From say South Dakota to Auckland Homework and vice versa, but we've got the big four meatpackers who all have overseas processing facilities that don't have that same regulation on him, so we're. We're competing against overseas slaughter facilities that have an easy pathway into our stores when our local producers don't. Interesting and Zach in terms of where people stand now. Is there anybody or any tribes that? You've heard about who are saying. You know what we do need to get on board. Let's start. This is lessons learned from the pandemic. Any that you know Zach. There are a lot of tribes that are really taking a closer look at the. China Russia try. Princeton has a couple of producer groups that are trying trying to stand up a producer cooperative I know the tribes. Starting to take a look at maybe some processing capacity the co-op PA. Tribe was kind of already prepared for this because they had the facility built. And the federal inspection. As a result of their preparedness. Able to facilitate. The delivery of several loads of hawks that were to be euthanized down there to qua- so they were able to distribute them in their community and it just because they had the infrastructure in place already other tribes that are working towards this Black Sea. Nation in Montana is working on a multi-species. processing facility. These ability plan there's there's a a a probably more tribes than we could. Go into and just an hour's time. Moving towards this I know Navajo Nation always had a lot of. Activity over at the NOVELA AG products, industry and The some of the Pueblos or coming online with some. Local farm to market type of stuff, our brothers and sisters over here in the Great Lakes region have a very active food sovereignty movement. Where they're starting to do some trade in in in between tribal nations to try to try to provide food that they couldn't grow in their own territory, so we're seeing this list grow in. Maybe you know about your trip jumping this or their lessons that have been learned a because of the shortage of supply when it comes to what we need in our communities, or maybe even servicing a whole state, any thoughts join us right now. One, eight, hundred, nine, nine, six, two, eight, four eight. Doctors nurses and emergency medical technicians remain on the front lines of fighting corona virus. They're having to adjust to long hours and shifting information about best practices. We'll hear from some of those working to test and treat people during the pandemic. That's on the next native America calling. A. We. A. Was Be. Sir. Twenty shape our future start here learn more at twenty twenty cents DOT G-O-V A. Paid for by US Census Bureau. You're listening to native America, calling interrogate would and today we are talking about food supply chains. Hell fast does it take? To get some of the items. You need a especially coming from your local grocery store. has cova nineteen cause some hiccups. Go ahead and join us. One, eight, hundred, nine, nine, six, two, eight, four. Eight is a number to tell us what you've experienced. Are you having a harder time accessing food in these times? Do you know why one eight hundred, nine, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight is number also one eight, hundred, nine, nine native with us. Today is Act Douche. No, he's executive director for the Intertribal Agricultural Council also here to out of the Quad PA nation from a CO-OP PA? Today. We have Chris Roper. He is the director of Agriculture for the COPA. Nation Chris, my pleasure, a heavy here and Zach told us a little bit about some of the things that are going on there in your nation with the production to Go ahead and share a little bit more of what you've learned through this pandemic, and how important what you're doing is to make sure that food is getting out there. Welcome Chris go ahead. Thank you. Thanks, thanks for having me you mentioned that there's been a movement across the nation for many ears to for for all of our communities to get back to more basics into be more food secure, and and have taken back the food sovereignty responsibility in our communities inside the tribes. You know not only through you know growing vegetables and you know producing animals and and processing meat it's it's just really vital for us to. Take control of that food supply, and it's just became more parent all the things that we've been fighting for for the last several years that this pandemic has made them. Stand out further as people go to the grocery stores and find empty shelves. They're realizing that they need to take more control of their own food systems, and we've started this several years back. And even you know as we mentioned meat processing plant, but we open that back in two thousand seventeen. A lot of challenges along the way, but you know during this pandemic, we've been able to control or proteins in our community for tribe members. even though the grocery store shelves are empty. We were able to control or meat processing, and to keep our stores stocked full of beef and Bison products, so that our community members had access to good solid proteins There were a few times that we had to ration the quantities as people were trying to You know by more than what they actually needed at one time, so we were trying to control that, but we never had to limit it to the point where. You know people could never have anything, so we were always able to process and. To keep our community supplied meat. We're very proud to say that. At this point as well and that mentioned, there are a lot of tribes across the nation that are looking it standing up meat, processing plants, and there's been an obvious shortage of meat processing plants for many years. It's a very hard business. It's very intensive, but tribes have been hunters and gatherers, and have had cut me and hunted for years, so it's really getting back to basics. similar to the gardening aspects of growing your own vegetables and are, and you know what we've been starting some initiatives for several years here on greenhouses community. Gardens we started farmers market two years ago and this year through some of the some grant assistance to a couple of organising, we were able to even start some training operations on canning and drying foods, so in that really all hit about the time. This pandemic was hitting as well so. Getting people back to basics and and taking control. Their food sources has been an initiative of the Inter Tribal Council indigenous, Food and Agriculture Group in the Native Act Fund. For some time now and it's really become. frontline effort since it's pandemic it. In so Chris I'm wondering as we talk about where supplies come from. Do you know? Where does the majority of the meat that we're seeing in our local grocery stores? Where's it coming from? I, heard Zach mentioned early You Know International. Where's the meat come in from? You Know I. Don't track You know the amount of imports, but you know you have to look at the US win. When the beef plants were closed, the export numbers were still coming in from other countries and I don't WanNa, try to project. You know how much he came from other countries during this pandemic, but it's the numbers too high and we have as I mentioned. There are hundreds of thousands of cattle and you know in inside the United States that need processed and that market we need to be keeping our beef here and processing convenient to our people There's a lot of resources available here that need to be utilized. In Chris Precautions again in the headlines we see outbreaks at meat processing facilities anything you can share on insights into this either prevention, or if it's happened how things got under control? Yeah Prevention is key. We've been very fortunate We have not had any cases insider plan Where also small plants, so smaller numbers make it easier I I believe, and some of these larger plants that have six hundred thousand employees and I'm it's. It's extremely hard once you have a case, get in a community. It starts to spread like wildfire our, so we are fortunately in a rural area that our. Our community did not get hit as hard as some of the others did so. We're very fortunate in that aspect, but we also try. We definitely control who is in around our plant limit access to our plant. We take numerous safety precautions as as recommended by the CDC. and we're really just restricting in the the kind of people on the type of folks that are coming in. We don't allow customers in the building even. Though is strictly employees. Only the Lizard Irs. In so you know, there's talking mention of the second wave, and if indeed the number start kicking back up. What are the lessons learned the first round with this pandemic that you think should be implemented immediately or or anything like that. started off Chris. You know we we. We've seen this throughout various cities across the nation and unfortunately. I think there are some communities that are seeing spikes in the Cova. Cases as we speak as people go back to work, and and are getting back around other folks. It's it's it's a silent issue. People aren't seeing it. It's a lot of cases that we hear about and see. There are no symptoms so it's it's extremely scary to under. To. Think about people walking around the facility that might have this virus in and You'd have be cautious about that. In for you. Zach any thoughts or precautions, or you know things that we learn first round that are going to play and keep things safe. You Bet I. I would just offer it. Anybody listening that health just isn't about disease. Health is about nutrition. And Immunity, and the myriad of factors that go into this, so if we start to take a more thoughtful approach about what we're putting into our bodies and why? We're building a lot more. capacity for robust. Response to. These pandemics in that type of stuff that was of the strength of our indigenous. Diets as we. We were attuned to that. We knew what the plants out in the pasture did for us. And we didn't just go by whatever it was boxed and convenient than the store we. We knew that there was some effort. That went into gathering that up. But we knew the value of its to start thinking about health and a more holistic frame of mind, instead of just as a response to disease. And people were active, too I think you know when we think of the entire system that was going on and how it all fit into it, you know if you're out there in the garden, you know how many calories you're burning and just the care for the food to a lot there anything you want to add go ahead and dial in one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, six, two, eight, four. Eight is a number, maybe your producer. Maybe you're a grower in your own needed community how? How do you feel this is helping and when we say food supply food shortage. Did you experience any of that? In These times thoughts, one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight is a number what about tribes, even individuals stepping up and making sure the food supply is coming straight local so that you're not caught without Fuji need any thoughts on any of this one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, nine, six, two, eight, four. Eight is a number also here with us today. Tulsa Oklahoma is carly hot vet. She is the director of tribal enterprise for the Indigenous Food and agriculture, initiative at the University of our concern, she's a Cherokee citizen and it's our pleasure to have her here with us, welcome carly. Kaoh show, thank you for having me. In curly anything you want to start off with just hearing a little bit of of how things are going for both Zach Chris and the communities are connected to. Sure I think I'd like to echo what Chris said you know this covid. Nineteen pandemic hasn't broken any of the systems. It has just revealed what has already been. A challenge in is really kind of. showing a spotlight on some of the issues that we're seeing in ending country when it comes to food supply and the suit, supply chains and with my work that we do the The Indigenous Food and AG initiative at the University of Arkansas. We're really focused on creating some solutions for some of these problems. We're seeing Indian country, not just short term, but also long term solutions and helping tribes really take hold of their food sovereignty as a part of the tribal sovereignty, and we say that we can't truly be sovereign until we can feed our people. and I know Zach this you know has much. supported that statement frequently, and we the work that we do is intended to provide resources to tribes and tribal organizations to help stand up their local and regional food, economies and systems, so we can have those resilient. Opportunities in place to avoid some the fallout that we see when our national food system is so disrupted, I mean you heard that talk about a lot of the food that's produced on reservations or an Indian countries exported, and then food that is consumed at that location. is imported and purchased from external sites, instead of having a more local closed loop system or more regional close loop system because of the challenges of infrastructure and food supply chain that we see tribal communities, so the work that we do would I is intended to. To provide support to really a resilient food sovereignty system in Indian country, and there's a multitude of ways that we do that whether it's you know encouraging trips to develop their own department of Agriculture whether it is supporting them as they worked towards implementing Food and agriculture code specific to their tribal community whether it is creating and developing that pipeline of tribal agricultural experts or professionals that can then return after their education and gaining some experience to their tribes or other tribal communities and help really Put those systems up to where they need to be but we were very excited. This is an exciting time to be involved in tribal agricultural, even before the covid nineteen pandemic, but after the pandemic it it became very explicit about how necessary this work was. We're very excited to be able to provide these resources and extend opportunities to any tribe that seeking assistance. Inc Really. How did if you know If you know, how do we get to the point where you know some of our products especially meat is coming. From another country, and then coming back to us, or you know going out and then coming back. How do we get to this point? Sure so I was actually on a call with nonprofit earlier this week, and the discussion was people were talking about how our food system has failed, and I think that failure really only exists at the beginning and the end of that system from what from your perspective and what kind of dollars they're bringing in and then the supply. That's available for your induce consumer. The people in between as you heard kind of talk about your processors, your packagers warehouses your distributors. Those corporate entities are very much concerned with that bottom line, profit margin and the negotiation and trade that occurs within those larger conglomerates really focuses on how to maximize profit, and if it means you know sacrificing some resiliency in the process in order to get that additional cent per dollar brought in by outsourcing or by You know seeking imported labour opportunities or looking for other ways to really maximize that it pushes that risk out to the ends of that food supply system to the producers into your in users, so we don't see that lack of success being born by your the people in the middle of the chain versus the people who are at the ends of the chain, so I think that's really contributed to that Outsourcing and offshoring, some of these activities in addition to that that bottom line, profit margin component. That is so important. In Sioux Carly when we think about you know. Being a part of the solution is opposed to. Exacerbating the problem. What can tribes do now? Even if it wasn't on their radar now we've learned a lesson. What are the next steps for tribes to make sure that you know that that food supply chain is shorter in that you know. We are not in situations that we have been because of the pandemic. Sure, and that's a great question asking I would really encourage you. To take a look and say you know, what can we do kind of avoid these challenges in the future, and I think probably the biggest thing from thirty thousand foot perspective is encouraging the development of local and regional food systems so that we have those redundancies in place when that quote unquote just in time, national food system becomes disrupted so bottleneck at certain points along the chain and those local and regional food economies can be propped up or supported and a variety of different ways. Ways depending upon what the goals of each individual tribe is in what their particular needs are. We know that one solution is not going to be applicable for every tribe in Indian country, and with over five hundred, seventy, three federally recognized tribes. They're all unique when it comes to their land base when it considered governance structures when it comes to the needs of their citizens, and when it comes to the relationships that they have in areas where they're at an all those are impactful for determining path for about. About what's going to be the best way to address that some tribes may have existing agribusiness enterprises that we'll be seeking to scale up and also bring an additional value. Add component in that so if they're doing production. Maybe they added an additional further step down that supply chain into processing, so they're able to bring additional dollars of that products sale in value back to their operation, and may look like developing a department of tribal agriculture so that they can start working on outreach and. And you know land-management development to maximize production or conservation activities that bring value back to the tribe and I value that doesn't necessarily mean you know dollars or revenue value can mean preservation of natural resources for downstream usage, or for tourism, or for I'm conservation and preservation to have for future iterations it could also mean the adoption of the tribal Food and agriculture. Code to occupy that regulatory space and prevent encroachment from external jurisdictions like Zach was talking about and also give. Credence to tribal oversight and so when products are developed under those tribal codes, they're able to enter markets more easily with branding or a labelling, indicating that it is a product of that tribe or tribal organization. There is just something different about being able to see those tribal names on some of these products in where they're coming from knowing that. You are helping a community when you're buying certain products, it's interesting. Hang tight. There's morehead. If. You're hurting in your relationship and want to talk strong hearts, native helpline, confidential and anonymous domestic violence helpline for native Americans available at one, eight, four, four, seven, six to eighty, four, eighty, three, or connect with alive advocate by using the chat now button at strong hearts helpline dot org advocates offer support and referrals for resources daily seven am to ten PM Central Time this program supported by the National Indigenous Women's Resource Center. We appreciate you tuning into native. America calling today I'm Tara, Gatewood and we are ready to hear from you. You're invited into this conversation. One, eight, hundred, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight is our number. Are you concerned about how food gets to your table? Happy been even more concerned because of the pandemic. Have you run into glitches? Tell us about it now that you're hearing from folks who are supplying different products What do you think about the whole process? Does it need to be redesigned in when you hear tribes jumping into the line of this and saying we're going to be there? We're GONNA. Make sure that there is. Enough produce in and also production of meet. What do you think one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight, is number, one, eight, hundred, nine nine natives and other. We can get us, and we look forward to hearing from you going down right now. A thank you to everybody joining us. We have carly hot fit with us with the Indigenous Food and Agriculture Initiative also here to is Chris, Roper. Director of Agriculture for the qual- nation, and also Zach Dushi know who is the executive director for the Intertribal? Agriculture Council our pleasure to have all of them here and Zach not too long ago on this program in time goes fast might be longer than I'm thinking, but we did a program on trying to get more people. Especially, our youth interested in ranching and farming, and there was a big need in. Plead to try and get. Get more young people into this especially with competition of other options for our young people Do you think this is also a time to maybe reopen that discussion? And you know talk about a little bit why we really do need to get more young people into this that next generation stepping up to beatty's producers because we can say, we WANNA do this, but if our people are lining up, what do we do, go ahead Zach? All right, maybe Chris can answer that we get Chris. Go here. Yeah, no problem. Yeah, it's very important to keep the youth involved and to expose all of the issues that are out there and actually take their young minds and build to take the ideas they have and implement the different things that they come up with. We have been very fortunate to be able to work with universities across the nation. we've been able to work with Grad students on various projects in our area is. On different issues from gardening to canning, too of food waste composting lots of initiatives that are out there, and then keeping the young folks involved. We try to implement as many of those ideas as possible. Each year we try to increase our intern. Shit numbers We've been able to obtain some funding from some outside of outside groups to help us fund the internships that we do. we started out with just a couple of year. And now we're, we're. We'll should have around eight. Different interns this year not just to own tribal us, but when you open it up to native youth across the country. We also participate in different Use groups and learning sessions across the nation, trying to provide technical assistance outreach We try to do all we can to share and to bring young people back into agriculture, and we try to help them understand that agriculture is not only planning and harvesting crops out in the field, but you know agriculture businesses you need the you need the lawyers that specialize in agriculture. You need the accountants that specialize in agriculture You know every possible. Trade you can think of can tie back to agriculture, and that's been a misconception that some of these us have had to overcome. And once we show them that they can tie their specific interests back to agriculture and food, sovereignty and food security. Policy all these different things that really really see her eyes light up and and. See, the, passion come out so it's extremely important to. Keep the US involved in. Bring them in, and we need their energy. So that's a that's very important. Indeed in Zach, I think we've got you back anything you want to add. The you know the time is perfect for for the youth to really step up and take the lead and we've been working for the last. Ten years at least with Indigenous Food Nag Initiative on on bringing that next generation of. Young leaders in the food neck system space forward. And armed our assertion is that. If we had the solutions, we wouldn't be trying to the problem, so maybe that solution is in that next generation of thinkers, so we do everything we can to empower them. Give them voice. We have created a position on our board of directors. Voting position on our board of directors for the youth. To select their leader and put them at the table with leaders from all across Indian country to bring these solutions forward. And it's it's. Really GonNa be the the. The changes that were needing in the industry. Think about the fact that. It's a three point five billion dollar a year industry, and that's just the raw commodity production. If you think about the entire food system. Lied, we could be a twenty five billion dollar a year industry, and just a few years which really moves us towards? Sovereignty and being able to take care of our own instead of depending on. Food programs and government contracts, and that type of stuff, so we really see it as a solution for sovereignty nationwide. Maybe you have some comments on that daily now. One, eight, hundred, nine, nine, native, and so I understand that there is an intertribal food summit going on this month, Zach any details you can share with us. About it when it is what it's about. Yes, so that'll happen on Saturday. June twentieth registration is open now, and it is free to virtually attend. We normally have these inter inter tribal food summit's in person, a big conference where local regional nationally renowned indigenous chefs will walk through the preparation as other professionals will walk you through how to harvest touted roll how to cultivate. The indigenous products. This year we're doing virtually we figure there's a there's some opportunity and. Every circumstance you stumble into, so we're looking at re crafting. Our. Curriculum delivery in a way that it's always there for folks. If you have a broadband connection, are access to one at your local library, you can come in and take this indigenous food preparation, lesson or you can. You can engage in this made of Native health through nutrition movement and we're. We're co hosting this with the native American. Food Sovereignty Alliance, and the Indigenous Food Nag initiative and some other partners. And we really hope that we can make this the first of many of these virtual. Summits that were able to host until we can get back to get them together in person, and in bringing people together to really share their stories and share their knowledge. And where do people sign up or or connect? INTERTRIBAL FOOD SUMMIT DOT COM. Okay I'm straightforward. It is so fun when information is easy to find like that entirely alternative, you know. We spent a lot of time at the top of the hour talking about processing meat but we are also talking about agriculture. What what needs to be shared lessons learned things that we need to step up on more even hurdles that we. We need to jump over. Go hit anything new an update us. Carly sure yes, so when we look at tribal agriculture, and especially from a historical context, the overlay of federal Indian policy dating back. You know more than two hundred years has been very impactful, even today for what the status of our current food sovereignty systems look like and I I call it an underdevelopment because there are a ton of great resources available in Indian country, but being able to leverage those and maximize the benefit for tribal populations has been a challenge based on some of the constraints that we've seen so Indian country Kinda has a a much steeper uphill battle when it comes to really working through some. Some of those issues and a lot of that has to do with what Zach was discussing as far as having professionals and knowledgeable people who have the background and understanding of not just how to operate and as a producer with an accident system, but how to do it in Indian country because there are specific nuances that really make. Make a big difference for how we work especially when it comes Charlie management, and how our lands are held and transferred in the ability to access credit for investment in those types of systems, in addition to that there's also different funding operation or funding components that are available whether it's federal sources whether it's administration dollar whether it's tribally. Tribally generated revenues, possibly some gaming operations or other types of funding areas that are set up. That are different from what mainstream agriculture may access so There's a lot of nuance components that are very important to understand in order to kind of level that playing field. That's necessary, and that's what a lot of the work that we do I say. Say I as we actually are hosting Discussion Forum via facebook live on Thursday at one o'clock to talk about how to develop a department of Agriculture and have a conversation about what some of the issues that people are seeing in their local tribal communities, and what we can do, and advice and resources that we can provide help get over. Over the Hump so there are a lot of concerns when it comes to that, but Christmas absolutely right agriculture is not just you know cows and plows anymore. There's a lot more to it and there's a lot of different ways to shore up that food sovereignty through production, and it's not limited to commodity crops. There's a lot of opportunities available. In alternate back to you Chris Anymore that you wanNA share again. wanting to hear more about the egg site go ahead. Well. It's extremely important. I think you know not only ending country, but across the across the nation. You know we all have to get back to our roots. We have to take control of our food supplies. We have to be aware of where food comes from and we. Need to step out and grow something. Ultimately you know we need to. We need to grow some gardens and grow are plants and learn to preserve them again. A lot of our grandparents did that years back, and they initially told us when we were young and growing up. That's how a lot of us were raised. So you know we've gotten away. We've gotten away from that in in our fast paced environment, but we need to get back to our roots. That's one the biggest things that I tell everyone is. We've got to get back to our roots and take control of our systems. In Zach anything to add. I think that it's that. At this time, it's really important that we focus on. How do we get in touch with those local producers? The ones that do have food that they could sell. In our American Indian foods program. We've got a list of. Scores of producers that have participated in the actual overseas export market on the order of fifteen to twenty million dollars per year in exports from Indian country overseas and. Eighty seven percent of those producers are looking for ways to get into the local market. And they're looking for ways to get into ECOMMERCE. So what are what are tribal membership? That's listening can do is. Go to your local grocery store and ask them what you're doing about. Sourcing local tribally grown food. Because, the consumer is ultimately GonNa vote with their pocketbook, and if they ask for it through their grocery store, the grocery store is going to start looking around the community despite things that they could put in there, and that'll help spur demand that will. Lead, a producer say you know. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA. Take my vegetables to the grocery store and sell them here in town. And and maybe add acre. And then really start to do something about. The economic disparities that exist between our Indian country, food and credit desserts and our. Friends and relatives that are just right across that in imaginary lying on the ground. People realize that they have that much pool. Do you really think they do Zach? I I don't think they do and that's why. I'm reminding them to exercise that. If if three hundred the next three hundred people that go to the LAKOTA thrifty Martin South Dakota ask the manager. What are you doing about sourcing local beef? That's going to resonate with the Cheyenne. River, Economic Development Corporation and they're going to say hey, what can we do about this? We didn't realize there was this kind of demand. And then there would be the opportunity for tribal leadership to invest in the infrastructure needed to get it there. It's the same in the in the northwest with the with the fruit and vegetable produce. It's the same and I to where their own potatoes on tribal land, but it's non-indian corporations doing it I I think the consumer really. Ultimately controls what happens in those stores, and if we're looking for their crunchy salty poison, the comes in that cardboard box. And that's what we're willing to spend our money on. That's what they're going to stock the shelves with, but if we you know, we need some healthy vegetables, we need some healthy locally grown protein some meat. That's what's GONNA show up in those stores. Friends at the Rosebud Sioux tribe in their tribal grocery store have set up their store. So that's the first thing you see when you walk in. While, that's taken it to to a whole other level to. Maybe your tribe is doing some of that. Maybe you are the person who got some of that in the places where you shop, you WANNA. Tell us about that. Journey can always reach out to us. Come into need of America calling dot com. Let's take a call. We've got latisha in fallbrook. California on the Pala reservation or listening on. Paula Radio! Thanks Latisha for calling. Go ahead, you're on your. Thank you. Thank you for having me the comment that I want to make is of course as Citizens citizen so I haven't been shopping a lot. Other people have been shopping for me and I've been out for the first time last week and the flower shelves were practically empty, but there was and I was looking for unbleached. And there was little bags of. unbleached flour that came from the Navajo nation. And I just thought that was so interesting. that. We've never seen these before and here now in the time of crises where they can't get gold medal. I guess, or whatever the if is that and this is a major market was Albertson's that that they were reaching out and looking for the product that the consumers are going to need? And in this case it was flour. And I. I know that over the years I've heard that there. Companies that I don't know if they'd give a discount to the store if they will put their product more in a more visible place so that the consumer will buy it. You have to first thing they see so. That's that they pick up. But I think it's I. Think it kind of goes hand in hand with what we're talking about here is that if the consumer knows it's they're. They're they're going to be more apt to at least look at that product. Sure and you know. All of this has definitely opened the doors to new ways of thinking in this example that you are talking about. It'll be interesting. They continue to carry it and then Latisha wondering what will happen if they don't. Keep carrying it again. We get back to that point that's just made about the power of what our consumers are saying in buying very interesting. Thank you to everybody today including collar, and also carly hot vet that. And Chris Roper anything you miss. Find It on our website. 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05-06-21 The threat to Indigenous people in Canada and Mexico

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05-06-21 The threat to Indigenous people in Canada and Mexico

"Welcome to native america calling from studio eight six nine in his letter pueblo. I'm teradata would. In canada years of activism prompted the government to combat national inquiry on missing murdered indigenous women that resulted in a national action plan in mexico. The rate of femicide has been on the rise. According to the country's statistics in several high profile homicides have fueled protests against the country's inaction today. We'll get a glimpse of the of my w picture in on lebron countries. Join us for this discussion right after the news. This is national native news. Antonio gonzalez events both in person and virtual were held across the country wednesday to draw awareness to missing and murdered indigenous people wednesday night about fifty people gathered in springfield oregon to honor missing and murdered. Indigenous women kale. Cdc's brian bull has more in the dark. In the bitter wind. Listen to a dream. Members of illuminate theatre in the university of oregon's indigenous women's wellness group. Read poetry under trees adorned with red dresses co organizer amardeep. Clifford explained the symbolism to show a garment. That's empty because the women are missing in many indigenous cultures the only color that the spirits can see as red hoping that they can see the red garments that we put out in their honor. Another organizer laurie. Top honjo said red garments are also visually striking. it's about creating visibility for the erasure of an entire generation of women. Young girls in our brothers have gone missing an honor song. Close the evening as people. Pray for the roughly fifty seven hundred missing and murdered indigenous woman across north america for national native news. I'm brian bowl. Advocates in alaska took part in a virtual missing and murdered indigenous people event wednesday. They shared updates from different regions of the state about some of the work being done to find people and bring justice for victims families. Jody pots from fairbanks talked about how the community came together earlier this year to help increase awareness. You know we all need to really work on this collectively beyond. Just you know the call to action for you know Government for policy change for law enforcement for train being for all these pieces and elements to move the issue for to help end this epidemic. I really feel strongly about also looking internally within our own communities and like how are we applying our values and being accountable to our own indigenous values in this issue. The fairbanks alaska native community is leading efforts by holding rallies organizing a search and offering a reward fund the alaska event included speakers. Talking about healing including m w canoe advocate and elder doug. Modique talked about the canoe. Personal watercraft is part of our heritage. It is part of who we are as people and how we survive and they talk about ten thousand years of survival right here on this land. Not only can we do this. It is it is our responsibility to show the world that not only. Can we do this but we will. And together we can do what we can't do alone. Events featured a healing jingle dress and dance group shared and honor song california assembly member. James ramos's presenting a house resolution thursday asking for the month of may to be designated in the state as missing and murdered indigenous women and girls. He's also leading the assembly and a song and honoring before thursday's floor session to commemorate native women who've been victims of violence. The native american assembly member is an advocate of the issue leading hearings and authoring legislation new mexico governor michelle luhan grisham signed an executive order wednesday to continue a state task force a missing murdered indigenous people. The task force was established in two thousand nineteen and released a report and recommendations to the governor and state lawmakers late last year the task force will now work to develop a state response plan. I antonio's gonzales. National native news is produced by broadcast corporation with funding by the corporation for public broadcasting this reminder to get your covid nineteen vaccination is provided by the association of american indian physicians and the centers for disease control and prevention who support this show info at aarp dot org or cdc dot gov slash corona virus support by the nsf. Railway proudly supporting the nation's economy by moving the goods that feed supply and power communities across the country more at bien s. f. dot com slash tribal relations native voice one the native american radio network. This is native america calling. I'm tara gatewood coming to you live from my homeland of do we're continuing are missing and murdered series today with a discussion about what's going on beyond the us borders with mexico and canada after years of outrage over the disproportionate number of indigenous women missing murdered in canada. The federal government launched a national inquiry into the issue that effort has drawn both praise and criticism in mexico. The number of homicides of women including indigenous women has been on the rise. Women's advocates say. The government's lack of action means. Perpetrators are often not held accountable. We'll hear more from our guest about the causes and possible solutions for the violence in our neighboring countries. And you can join us to give us a call at one. Eight hundred nine nine six to eight for eight. That's also one eight hundred nine native and joining us today from winnipeg manitoba in canada. Is she north. And she is the former grand chief of manitoba. Keaton kua tonelli. Oh key mccormack. And she is m i w advocate and she is cree. Our pleasure heather here with us. Sheila welcome thank you for having me tara a pleasure to be with all of you and your other and she just thinking of how hugest issue has grown in awareness. I think is a celebration in itself but it always wasn't this way and creating an awareness is something that a lot of people have worked including families who have loved ones who have gone missing and just wanna go ahead and just turn to you to give us a closer view into exactly what this means. How big of an issue. It is in canada. Let's start there well and one none news story there that you just played I think the number was five hundred or five thousand. I'm not sure but Here in canada the some of the official estimates at least from two thousand thirteen is around eleven hundred eighty two so about twelve twelve hundred but advocates and families and survivors Have that number. Close to probably at least four thousand in canada canada alone when you start factoring all the things that have happened during the residential school era nonetheless. We're starting to hear more and more about this issue. as you said Because of all the work that Survivors and families and advocates and allies. I've done and i was a witness. I had a bird's eye view as a journalist in two thousand five when i began as a journalist in no as as years progressed and saw the momentum of the voices calling for change calling for respect at the time media. We're calling our women Prostitutes street workers and their families started pushing back at media. And say we won't talk to you unless you name her unless you tell them that she's loved and that she's missed and all these things so i saw the progression and the voices got louder and louder to the point in twenty fifteen here in canada. The issue became a national election. Issue in each of the parties counted how to promise or not to have an inquiry into missing and murdered indigenous women and girls and it happened. And now we're all here talking about it and i see the movement also has picked up in america as well and i've had honored to be the un talking about this issue twice. And i met a lot of great american allies in great american people that have been affected by this as well. So it's it's It's been quite the last few decades on this and she lived for you. When do you think the momentum and awareness really picked up and in what form or i saw the height of it was In when i don't know more. What's happening here in canada in two thousand thirteen and there was a huge spike. I think of awareness. There was many issues that people were talking about but one of the top ones was a missing and murdered indigenous women and girls it was rallies and sometimes it was three thousand people here in winnipeg alone sometimes. It was three and it was in all kinds of weather. Mostly women in girls and with their babies and strollers and some men and boys here and there but it was mostly women who who were calling louder and louder and within that after that twenty. Thirteen was calls. More leader started saying in supporting the call for an inquire into what was going on with this epidemic. Because women kept going missing every day. There was someone else that that went missing or her body was found. There's some that will never have never been discovered yet and this is across canada and You know this is something that has been brewing for generations and finally getting that awareness. Oh started getting louder and louder. And like i say in twenty fifteen became a hot election issue and and then we saw the inquiry happen there. There were of course Things that could have been done better in the rollout of inquiry and families for example weren't feeling respected. The felt like they were on trial rather than trying to seek justice for them so that had to change quickly and some of us advocates and families and survivors spoke up and that change the tone. Because it's not helpful you're victimizing and so we had to keep doing that. And is because of all the advocates and allies and the families and survivors. That we are now still talking about it and you know. I talked to female leaders And they tell me even ten years ago some of the chiefs circles which was mostly men. Didn't wanna talk about the issue. They were saying that the women's issue go deal with it in another room and that was back then. I i don't think you'll see male chiefs or any males saying that anymore and it's because of the work that's been done in sheila. This conversation is is is what it is today in thinking about Being able to talk about this or even bring this issue. Four years ago a lot of it was happening in canada and to just back up. A little. Sheila were you. When do you feel that. This issue Really started getting attention you know even before they were hashtags or the inquiry. How far back would you say. People finally started putting things together and started seeing. This is an issue. Well for me and when i look back at where i've come from in my you know inch journey so far in two thousand and five like i say when i started as a journalist I went to my first vigil and it was my first few days At the cbc. At the time and i went it was the outskirts of winnipeg was by a tree. It was where a teenage girl was. Her body was found there and there was a live Crews there from the news and families were gathered around the tree. They were singing and lots of tears and lots of anger and sadness. And i think that's when my at the point. I woke up and started paying attention to what was going on but then when i started to talk to families myself to see what more we can say about the stories and that's when i realized that they were pushing back to media saying no. We're not gonna talk to you and if you don't give her a name if you don't tell her that she say that she was loved and she's missed then we won't talk and that's when i noticed family sorting pushing back and that's when media started changing the tone as well and that started to help change the discussion on what the issue was because up until then it seemed like it was just victim blaming saying that. These women made these choices themselves. Now they're dead. Look at them and let's go onto the next story. That's the tone The cruelty that was imposed on women during that time in the media in canada and so that started to change when women started realizing that they can push back and they can say no and when they started making demands and then going on the streets more and more women started getting stronger to do and then more action started happening across canada and it just picked up from their momentum. And i think the voices were always. There was just interested at the right time. Because of the way that media was being responded to and then social media came into the picture and and other movements like the idle no more so all of these things together started Really ramping up the awareness of the issue and calls for changes in something. I'm curious about. Sheila is with this much awareness. The changes that have been made or things that have been called out even systemic racism or even just people's interaction with law enforcement or these reports. I'm going down on paper. Is there anything you want to share about that aspect of You know the reality of all of this go ahead. yeah like i say. They're the inquiry into missing murdered. Indigenous women and girls happened and It had a a lot of hiccups along the way and I think in the end though there's two hundred and thirteen calls to When you start getting into the you'll the themes and a lot of them have to do with You know finding a way to take away the vulnerability of women and by that i mean Letting them away to become self sufficient but also finding a way for them to to To be respected in the media for example to be respected as as individuals that have a lot to contribute to to this world and Also looking at Police bodies and making sure there's some oversight of some kind to make sure that they're doing right by our women because That was one of the biggest calls for the inquiry was that it seemed like police. Were looking away turning a blind eye to all of these issues. I think i. I don't know how many stories i did while. I was a journalist. And maybe the other guest. Connie can attribute talk about this as well at some point but i can honestly say that every single family i ever interviewed while a journalist about this issue when i asked him what police response was. It was always always met with district guard and disrespect and even belittling police would say something like. Oh she's probably on a vacation like in a condescending way or she's an adult she can do whatever she wants because he didn't wanna go look and maybe there is the legality to that for sure but this was happening over and over again and it seemed like police couldn't even be bothered. It didn't take it seriously. And our country wasn't holding them accountable. Nobody was At least i thought. I you know at the political level saying that they need to take the seriously until her in something very alarming. We gotta take a break hang tight. Readdress has become a symbol of the missing murdered indigenous women's movement. The image started as a part of an artist installation since then artists writers and filmmakers have found their own ways to recognize the msw tragedy will explore some of them on the next native america calling support by roswell park who tribal communities face persistent challenges in health equity such as cancer and higher death rates the centre for indigenous cancer research at roswell park. Comprehensive cancer center is dedicated to advancing cancer research that will lead to translatable science medicine and cancer care for indigenous populations worldwide. Are you at high risk for cancer. A no charge online assessment tool is available at roswell park dot org slash assess me. You're listening to native america calling interrogate what from pueblo. And today we're talking about missing and murdered women beyond our us borders and are you concerned about how indigenous women and other countries have become targets of violence. Join our conversation by calling one. Eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight. It's also one eight hundred nine native and here with us on the line today. In canada out of winnipeg manitoba is she the north. She is missing murdered. Indigenous women and girls advocate. She is cree and she. You were a former grand chief. Tell me a little bit about that organization and of course the correct way to say it. You pretty good. It's called manitoba. Qa to now okay. Mock on which basically just means an english northern manitoba chiefs and It represented at the time. I was grand chief Thirty first nations which are covered cre- or oj cre- denny and We had about seventy two to seventy five thousand people in in a big geographical area All north and i was representing them on issues Of course all the social determinants of health And also economically and and also this issue around my w So i was the first female chief. The organization started about thirty three years ago. Now and i was the first female grand chief and so far. It's been the only email ground chiefs so far and I really really enjoyed it. Because i was able to use everything that i all the skills that i've picked up along the way including all the my media skills and research skills and speaking skills all these things. I was able to help advocate for the things that That are northern people. Needed are more than manitoba and one of the biggest things that my team and i at the time fought for was Something called health. Transformation and What it was is taking our healthcare back and the sovereignty and making honoring the sovereignty. Making sure that we were taking You know making the policies and creating the plan on how to better address health concerns and issues in northern manitoba. now there's an organization there and thank goodness. it's there because it's helping with the pandemic. i don't think the situation northern manitoba would be much worse. If this organization hadn't been berthed and started. And i credit the third years of chiefs in their resolutions that took us to that place because they gave me permission to fight for that. Very thing and That's that's the strength. That i stood on until i worked with a lot of amazing people and a lot of using leaders. Thank you for that. And you know anytime that we focus in on other countries with indigenous populations. It's always good to know just kind of the context and where things stand in just knowing all your walks of life that you brought into informing year decisions As grand chief. I can see you know why we we're getting such a deep story and understanding more about what is going on and she lived before the break you were just educating us. Moore's or anything more or anything critical. You think people really need to understand about what is going on in canada. And what leads to the issue of missing murdered indigenous women girls and i guess in indigenous people anything else. You wanna share sheila. Yeah so i wanna say that One of the biggest things that i've been able to Gather in in all the work that we've done together as advocates and allies and survivor. I i'm a survivor. If the issue was well. I'm i'm writing about it right now. In a book that will be releasing in november. But one of the biggest things. A common thread that i see and i talks about it is the volume ability and for women to be able to be self sufficient but not only just for themselves but for their children and ultimately our families and colonization has really tried desperately hard and almost wins sometimes to take that away from us as matriarchs leaders of our own families and our own communities and that style and and that traditional way of leading our communities has been interrupted by calling is asian and i truly believe that our nations will be healthier if our women are healthier and if they're more self sufficient and supported and how do we do that we start supporting you know their dreams and aspirations in the modern way but also supporting the call in calling them up to be the leaders They're destined to be. Because i think there's a difference in how men and women lead and there's lots of men leaders and i'll never put that put them down because you know my dad was one and i have son. I have a son. And i have a grandson and so i feel a role are very important but women i feel are more inclusive and when we lead our nations are better and when women are stronger nations will be stronger and so i feel like in in maybe in sub subliminal way canada and maybe an in america as well government officials and colonizers. This turned a blind eye because they know in some way that if our women get strong were taking everything back. And i think it's happening right now. I think feel that this is the moment when we look back in time. A hundred and fifty years ago. We were meant to be extinct here we are. We're in every facet of society if you look around a hundred and fifty years of wherever we be we keep going and if we not give up and i think that's what i would like to mention is that we have to keep pushing for the matriarchs role to be restored and respected and make our nation strong because of that. You know what she looks. Thank you for saying that really appreciate bringing it further into where this all stems from what it means and how much further we can go in a really appreciate that Also here out of canada is connie walker. She joins us today out of toronto in ontario. And she is an investigative journalists host of the podcast. Stolen the search for germain. She is cree from the okinawan. First nation intrigued four territory. Our pleasure to have her here to connie native america calling. Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it. And thank you so much sheila For for your voice on that sets it's It's wonderful to hear you in connie. Is there anything else you'd like to share just to our listeners. More understanding of how huge an issue. This is an. How much work still needs to be done when we talk about a missing and murdered indigenous women in canada absolutely. I mean i. I like sheila Feel like i've. I've been in a unique position to watch. Just what transformation. There has been in canada in the last. You know. Five seven years Specifically around indigenous issues in general in in the media and just in in terms of public awareness. but i think You know the issue of violence against indigenous women. Girls has really been an integral part of that. And i think that in order to kind of really understand how far we've come. We need to think back to to The history of of this this violence against indigenous women and girls and crisis violence so many of us face in our communities is not a new thing. This has been ongoing for decades if not hundreds of years in canada and in the united states. But i think what's shifted is is our awareness and i think that we need to really look at the the the legacy in the history of how we've these stories have been so under represented in media. You know this is not a new issue. But we're we're hearing it spoken about for the first time in circles and spaces and in conversations that have largely ignored this reality that so many indigenous women girls have faced in our communities for so long and i think that that you know when you think about that when you think about what she said you know how these stories had been previously covered by media that kind of blaming mentality That really caused a lot of harm and really perpetuated these negative stereotypes about what it means to be an indigenous woman. A girl and i think what's happened in in this transformation is that you know we're we're making space You know for these stories. And he and i totally agree that it's been you know advocates and activists who are often times actually family members and survivors. You know people who've experienced or survived violence or who have a loved one who is missing or who's been murdered. Who then you know in their own quest for justice become vocal advocates. And i've seen that time and time again. And i think what they've done is pushed this issue into the spotlight and what it really is as an opportunity to better understand all of the realities that indigenous people live and experience in canada and the united states that this is kind of a a window into a whole world. That's been under reported and under represented and often misrepresented in media in. Connie you are also taking things another step launching a podcast you've done work in this arena before and then you have something new that you're putting out in the world talk to me a little bit about your work and bring more awareness of what's going on in canada Through the medium and platform of podcasting. sure Yeah so. I think for me. The story goes back to two. When i was in high school. You know. I grew up on my reserve in my small community and rural schedule and And when i was in high school and indigenous woman from a nearby reserve With kill her name was pamela. George i didn't know pamela but i re- you know. Remember hearing about here and hearing about the way that she was spoken about You know after she was killed because the two who were on trial for her murder were to white university students. And i remember at the time feeling like you know so much of the attention and awareness pamelas. Death was actually focused on them. And there's remember a new story calling one of them a basketball star and saying the other one was a hockey standout and they and they called pamela. An aboriginal prostitute and i wasn't even particularly that interested in in the news at that time when i was in high school but i remember feeling so angry and thinking about who are the people who are allowed to tell our story. Who are the people who are allowed to to work in these newsrooms and to share stories about indigenous people in communities Because we didn't hear about tamila that you know that she was a mother to two young kids. We didn't hear about the fact that she was a daughter that she was a sister an anti cousin and and it really made me think about you. Know who were the people who are allowed to tell these stories and it was the first time i thought about becoming a journalist but really it would be decades You know before before. I ought to really talk about this issue violence for a long time. you know. These weren't seeing as stories that were important or issues that were important or that there was an audience for and what i was the journalist In canada for twenty years at at the canadian broadcasting corporation and most of my time is spent in news and current affairs. And i've always been interested in reporting on indigenous issues and on You know in our communities. But it's really only been in the last few years and then a lot of the coverage that i did before even about 'em i w in canada you know it was. It was four of the daily news so it was like a two minute story. Or sometimes i got thirteen minutes story but it was very rare And when i started looking at the podcast dang You know. I realized that you know in news and current affairs and on radio. I'm sure you're well aware you know you're often fighting for seconds or minutes of somebody's time right. You're like oh you have you know. The story can only be two minutes long or this clip can only be thirty seconds or if it's online it has to grab somebody within the first three seconds but in podcasting there's this growing audience of millions that is willing to put headphones in their ears. And listen to a single story told over eight episodes and what we've been working on with stolen the search for germain and with the podcast i did with. Cbc which is called missing and murdered is diving. really deep into one woman story So the search for germain is about germain darlow Who's a twenty three year old confederate sailors shinnecock tribe member from montana who went missing in two thousand eighteen and our podcast. You know tries to dive deep into you. Know the the mystery of her disappearance and trying to get answers about what happened to remain but as an indigenous woman. I know that germain story didn't began on the night. She went missing. That it really is connected back to You know the history of the land where she's from. It's it's connected back to this this history of colonization in this history of institutional racism in this history of attempted genocide and and the podcast really gives us space to explore all of that bigger context. Because i think that's so important in understanding the root causes of this violence and this crisis violence it so many indigenous women and girls face and we do not know the number and that's for a lot of reasons in good to know that there is more work being done on this in in deeper dives into just even one person story because there are a lot of details and there are family members and there are people in the circles of people who have lost loved ones. And so there's so much there. And i'm glad you're doing this work. Connie and as we think about you know how big of an issue this isn't canada. What are some of the other elements that we really need to introduce into this conversation. Understand maybe even why. It's so got a couple of minutes before break go ahead. Connie i think that what we're really trying to grapple with is like the the the realities that indigenous people live experiencing candidate unit in the united states. And what's happened is that there's just such a lack of understanding about that reality in media and then therefore i feel like you know the the public in politicians and and Stakeholders are are ill equipped to even think about addressing it. you know. I think that that what's happened in canada and the last seven years is that there's been this growing awareness and there have been attempts like the national inquiry to try to address it and the calls to action and they know that there's a lot of conversation or just about you know how effective That is that actually addressing some of the in the united states. It seems like there's there's a bit of a different take on that you know the the creation of this msw unit that is going to be within the bureau of indian affairs. It's going to be investigating actual colt cases and unsolved cases. I feel like you know. There's a huge desire for that kind of Action as well in canada. That didn't happen with the national inquiry. And i think that you know i it. It obviously needs to be a multi because it you know there are so many things that contribute to this crisis of violence. But but i think that that what it also is just trying to really Give people a fuller picture of what it means to be indigenous in twenty twenty one. You know. I think that the representations that we've seen in the media around mma w like with pamela george or even you know in movies and in television. It's like there's there's such a one dimensional view of what it means in reality know. Our lives are incredibly full enrich and we need to be creating and making spaces for those conversations as well. And i think that that you know the podcast or what we try to do with. The podcast is obviously dive deep into one case in to find answers about germain's disappearance but we also you know you know. I spent three weeks in her community. And and then did you know dozens of hours of interviews with friends and family members of hers. And i feel like i got to know germain a little bit true talking to her family and friends and and i think that that it's also trying to create space for people to have empathy to kind of counter some of those negative stereotypes that we have about what it means to bandage and and really allow people to connect with with you know with germaine and with indigenous women and girls and their families who are going through this incredibly difficult thing of losing a loved one and not having answers and wanting justice and and we should all like there should be more stories. There should be more podcasts. There should be more opportunities to amplify these voices of of the families from our communities who are experiencing this terrible trauma and grief. Well thank you for that again. The podcast is stolen. This search four jemaine put together by connie walker. We're going to pause here for a moment but when we come back from the break we are also going to check in with what is going on in mexico in terms of mma. W only thoughts join us now. One eight hundred nine nine six two eight. Four eight is a number. Give us a ring. Support by amazon's indian countries. One hundred percent tribally owned insurance partner. Amarante works with tribal governments and their business enterprises to provide effective commercial insurance coverage strengthened. Native american communities protect tribal and help keep dollars in indian country more information on property liability compensation and commercial auto solutions at amazon dot com. That's a. m. e. r. i. n. d. dot com. Thank you for tuning in to native america calling. I'm tara gatewood. And we're focusing on missing and murdered and canada and we're gonna take a look into mexico and if there's still something you'd like to join us there's time give us a ring now. One eight hundred nine nine six two eight. Four eight is the number and to report more on the issue of femicide in mexico or associate producer. Andy murphy spoke with idi seller contract us the living With love evaluation coordinator for the mix indiana community organizing project in california which is a nonprofit advocacy group that supports indigenous migrant communities clifton chadwick. Our underwriting specialists at native america calling translated from spanish to english femicide in mexico comes from a number of social and economic problems. Erie sila gives some details. Betas have aimless is not going to be nasty on the combination of various factors that has been happening in our country. For centuries decades the first thing of course is discrimination against indigenous people so the second thing is domestic violence which we affects families around the world and the typically in mexico erie. Fila says there's a lot of gender inequality in mexico and those issues of violence against women are stigmatized and not talked about enough which makes the situation even worse. The guatemalan area lie was unequal distribution of seat and welfare in our societies also contributing factor so The other thing is that unfortunately there's not a solid structure of four within the government. Another big factors not much. The matiz mo is masculine. Pride erie silla says that in mexico's patriarchal society. Women are subject to some religious restrictions and sexist stereotypes. She said these. Social problems are multiplied in indigenous communities that are often small rural and poor and they are often left out of mexico's governmental affairs indigenous women also face language barriers and there's a serious lack of language translation services in the government's legal system as he s e boys dogana booking talk about our indigenous. All of these factors are multiplied. Move in those. So combining all of these things rural areas and we celebrate inequality adds to the fact that femicide does not deserve the investigation. Certainly during the pandemic that has been added to the causes of this epidemic. So we're seeing an increase in domestic violence which of course comes as a result of the stresses of isolation and being able to get out in response to the lack of action by the government a lot of grassroots advocacy groups including many women. Activists have stepped up to raise their voices. Now that technology can amplify them said. I mean you could lead to keep doing more. We need to make sure that these people gain more visibility a week to push our government to more we need to continue to raise the consciousness voice of the also promote equality between the genders as this reduces or even stops you abandoned in momentum in that was it is elegant. Trade us from mix tickle indiana community organizing project with cliff a translation by clifton chadwick in again. Thanks to eddie murphy. Four that report and joining us to go further into this issue out of los angeles. California is kimberly sta and she is the founder and director of justice. Four my sister collective kimberly welcome to native america calling in addition and so kimberly. We got a a quick view into what this means in in. Just how big of an issue it is. But i'd like you to go further into you. Know what it is. We're talking about About this issue in mexico. Tell me more. yeah so. I came on A lot of shoulder. He works when i was in twenty twenty in two thousand three When i was going to school as a college student and i watched this the other and it really talks about al way that Winning in mexico have been internally displaced because of us imperialism's kind of provisional nafta the north american free trade acts on a policy that ten years up indigenous women in particular from their communities and There's been a lot of internal migration and when sort of leaving their community Going out to Cities such as what is which was a big Border town near possibly texas and they're working in sweatshops. Long hours out intrastructure say sliding transportation and on many winning and in in one is Who work eating sweatshops. were being traffic or going. Be murdered or disappeared And a lot of the issues that Your other desperate. Speaking of earlier sheila tony. Earning sincerely relevant delays that victim blaming and show. Intern is by the authorities. Game even go as far as two lane. The he groped me paying minimize disney's cases and and so many of those cases went cold uninvestigated Because the lease and basically just reduce To she must've went off with her boyfriend or she's probably a prostitute. So we're not gonna investigate but as far as we're concerned on behalf of justice for my sister you know regardless if she's a sex worker or not all women deserve respect and safety and security and justice at the end of the day in kimberley. We introduce a word femicide in police gordon defined that in go further with that Go head to find it. Sure so fun. Aside The systematic murder of when And it takes them into it. Takes into account many factors met. Some of those cases are cases of domestic violence murder but some of them are cases where when were Basically targeted because of The sort of lack of infrastructure and accountability and and It's sort of. It's basically the most extreme form violence against women and many of these cases Also you know. Include like extreme brutality And so when we talk about gender based violence. We're looking at a whole spectrum of violence which begins from cat calling intimidation and manipulation right and then domestic partnerships all the way through to The shnell violence and financial violence and The and again right even psychological terror And we also look at the ways that sort of all of these expressions of violence are Often times where. I mean it's within our system of patriarchy Where where austin women who experienced these. Sometimes violence internalize the societal messages. That if they are victim to violence that must have been their fault that they must have provoked it somehow and so Speaking on the ways. That there's so much stigma around domestic violence and sexual assault. You know because of the stigma. Many times survivors. Not come forward or even women who might being Relationships with men that are also trafficking them enforcing prostitution. They might not come forward because they feel. They're sort of psychologically manipulated and and hot up in the cycle of violence in which They pass a honeymoon stage after the abuse. And that's kind of how they continue to the Sustained in these in these abusive relationships and dynamics that are putting them at risk. So when we talk about set aside we're talking about The extreme form of violence against women and many times winner woman actually is murdered It's after they've passed all of these other forms of violence and And for instance in in guatemala done a lot of work this well Many women are about half of the cases of femicide. We're actually domestic violent Cases of domestic violence and i directed documentary called justice for my sister about a woman Maybe who was murdered in in two thousand seven and She was murdered by her ex boyfriend. Who was threatening her and threatening her family and didn't want to basically end the relationship And his mentality was well. You're either gonna be with me or with nobody and She was brutally murdered and Her sister rebecca became an advocate and and ended up. Just knocking on doors and calling on. The police actually becoming an investigator and taking on that role because the public prosecutors are just so under a reforest and oversaturated. And also again you know even the public prosecutor's tend to take on these narratives and and a victim blaming rate So it is so true. You know there's so many correlations between the The murder missing when indigenous women movement. And and what's going on throughout the continent because So often survivors of victims of femicide or less to be the advocates on the ground on just because institutional structure is not in place and sometimes institutional structures actually perpetuating the violence in when we get to that point in it becomes the weight put on people who are advocate to her family members. What happens then if the state in the place where you're supposed to go to or the authority that's supposed to be helping and advocating in. This isn't happening. What is that all lead to. Any thoughts kimberly. Gosh it's heartbreaking because So many families or shamed into silence. They're intimidated by the their perpetrator many times. They know who it was that murdered their loved one and they are basically rendered paralyzed in the system because because there's no protections there's a few witness protection programs in latin america in mexico and beyond and so when we were at the public prosecutor's one day. We were speaking with a young woman who was also murdered and she was exchanging with rebecca the lead character of my documentary. And you know. She said that she knew who was that. Murder her sister but she couldn't do anything about it because he was still Walking the streets you know and in the case of rebecca and her Her sister's murder was very unique in the sense that The police caught him with drugs. in a public space and it was essentially what happened was the community saw him when they were about to bury and they went after him Basically looking to murder him and to take justice into their own hands knowing that the state might not do it so the police intervened found on him and then incarcerated him held him. Basically you know had these charges against him for the drugs but then in the interim Report was able to put things in line so that you know she was able to like Signed the witnesses and an mobilized the not only the public prosecutor but also An advocacy agency that could provide added support. Additional warriors So in her case is very unique because they were actually able to incarcerate the perpetual the perpetrator Whereas you know so many of these cases it's very it's very rare that they're able to do that Before the sentencing at all and it says it go ahead. Here's can be blurred. Yeah where people are discouraged. From seeking justice they're intimidated. They received threats. You know and and in mexico amati fiscal battle who Was looking for justice for her daughter. movie Was murdered in front of the justice hall when she was out there protesting Because of the affiliations that the perpetrator had and he actually kinda fest and in adjust this whole that he had murdered movie but all the same because of his affiliation With organized crime he was able to walk free. It's just incredible to me right and so If people are interested in learning more about money money to set a school that they can watch the documentary on netflix. And kimberly we do to get going here and one final comment anything you want to add. Yeah i wanna You know Here in united states we can take action by calling. Our senators renewed the violence against women. Act give taiba courts with nature prostitution on either offenders because there in a big issue is non native offenders. We go to tribal lands and on cause harm to our sisters Knowing that they will not say retribution because tribal authorities have Don't have the potential prostitutes them so we have to update the vala. The violence in order to ensure that tribal ports can have already. And i think it's still important that we can change. How these dirty conversations transnationally because these same systems of oppression are affecting our sisters throughout All throughout the continent at the end source is at the end of the colonization. And and its legacy. Well kimberly boats. Thank you for joining us today. 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02-25-20 High food costs in the north

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02-25-20 High food costs in the north

"Welcome to native America calling from Studio Forty nine in Albuquerque. I'm Monica Brain. The high cost of food in Alaska and Canada is prompting tribes and organizations to try and find solutions. The ATHABASCA chip on first nations started their own grocery store. In Alberta and the Arctic Research Foundation is experimenting with solar and wind powered greenhouses in Joe Haven their efforts to fight against the high cost of shipping food and the inability to grow fresh vegetables on any large scale because of the climate. We'll hear about high food food costs and possible solutions right after national native news. This is national native news on Tonia Gonzalez hours after police moved in to dismantle of rail blockade in Ontario. There was national reaction. Dan Carpenter reports on Monday morning. Police moved in on the tie. In the Naga Mohawks Rail Blockade Near Belleville Ontario. Several people were arrested. The barricade had been set up more than two weeks ago in support of the Weser Watan hereditary chiefs in British Columbia who are opposing a natural gas pipeline project in northern BC this blockade and others across the country had begun to squeeze the Canadian economy CNN. Shut down its eastern freight network and via rail suspended all passenger service across Canada. There were layoffs in the rail industry and businesses were beginning to feel some shortages. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau had been calling for patients and dialogue but a few days ago that changed and after the Police Action. He said his government had no choice for wind. It became clear that there was no reciprocal openness to dialogue from the West Western hereditary leader chiefs. We made new shift in our posture in response to the police action. There were demonstrations in Ottawa and ruling blockades in Quebec from the Mohawk said. GonNa why and and Sheila North a former grand chief of Manitoba says this dispute is not over. This is not done by by a long shot and this can only be resolved if there is actual commitment by the federal government. I believe to move on the long studying issues that face the meanwhile Trudeau says his government is still on the path to reconciliation and will continue to work towards that but the barricades had to come down for national native news. I'm Dan Carpenter. Look South Dakota House. Committee has voted not to allow tribes to seek reimbursement for expenses associated with pipeline protests. Last year's legislature established the Peace Fund to collect money for state or political subdivisions for budgets stressed if demonstrations take place against the keystone xl. Pipeline Victoria. Wicks has this report. Last year's failed riot boosting statute had a companion law that survived called the Peace Fund created to collect revenue from civil penalties judgments and finds the fund exists to pay expenses for state and local governments dealing with protesters against the keystone pipeline. If it is built it will cross rural areas with few resources and few law enforcement officers to deal with problems representative. Sean Bordeaux believes that description fits his reservation. The Rosebud where a checkerboard of trust land lies in the path of the pipeline just east of boundary lines. We got over a million acres community spread out over five counties and I'm kind of taken aback by one comment. I heard yesterday about how you know. Some of this activity doesn't happen on the reservation. Well with where this activity is going to be happening. I can spit from trust. Land onto this pipeline. He's as protesters take refuge on tribal land than tribal police have to respond opponent. Chris determine is director of the division of emergency services for the Department of Public Safety. There are no structures being planned for or built on reservation land therefore it is not a direct impact on reservation. Land termine says the law is not intended to cover costs of sovereign tribes who have their own governmental structures for National Native News. I'm Victoria wicks in rapid city. South Dakota a bill introduced in the Illinois. Legislature would prohibit schools from using India mascots or logos unless the school gets consent from a tribe under the bill. The tribe must be within five hundred miles of the school andrew new consent every five years. The bill is currently in a house. Committee I man Tony Gonzalez. 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Compared to less remote areas some groups are working to connect indigenous people with affordable healthy food. One nonprofit is experimenting with growing vegetables in shipping containers powered by wind and solar collectors. One tribe the ATHABASCA CHIPPEWA. First Nation started their own grocery store in northern Alberta. These are a possible solutions to food insecurity and high costs in tribal areas in the north. That are remote and have shorter growing seasons. Do you notice the difference of food prices when you travel. How much do you think you spend on food? Join our conversation today. The number is one eight hundred nine six. Two eight four eight. That's one eight hundred nine nine native and especially when a invite our Alaska listeners. To Join US when he hundred nine nine six two eight four eight joining us now from ten in. Alaska is Cynthia Ericsson. She's the owner of ten and a commercial company and the founder of my grandma's house. And she's at the Baskin Yupik. Welcome BACK TO NATIVE AMERICA. Calling Cynthia more. Thanks for having me so you have a store. Tell us about it yes I Bought the one of the first stores. Alaska commercial sold And we moved to town. Anna and nineteen eighty seven and My husband and I and three kids and We sell a little bit of everything A little bit of groceries and fresh stuff and a little bit of hardware so We're very basic. Do Sell Blueberry Muffins for sixty nine dollars. Oh No we pick the blueberries and make our own nice all right. So how do you set the prices for food the general markup there's like thirty thirty five percents And and that's kind of the average rule of thumb for For Alaska or do you know if that's like nationwide that I was raised in the store and Ruby and that that was The the average that we marked up It depends you know sometimes how it's brought in as it's flowing in if it's if it's We have limited barge in the summer But that's pretty much the average. So why are food prices so high well for one You don't get any. Subsidies like power cost electric city Our electricity every single month is four thousand dollars a month Three times higher for Water the fuel all of our Fuel in Brought in as diesel. So it's all Flowing in or barged in It's it's a lot of overhead with no no subsidies it's costs a lot And there's no road access so you can't just have you know the chip company or bread companies like you see in the city you see them pulling up with the red truck in the chip company. And they're stocking the shelves and when you're in a village everything is Not Accessible by road so the cost is is way more than in the in the larger cities. Maybe you could share with our listeners. Who Don't know like where ten and a is and how is it accessible by road or do you have to fly in share with us a little bit more about that. It is almost directly in the middle of Alaska. And it's at the confluence of the Yukon and Tannen River and There's no rolled everything is flowing in. There's A small barge that comes in usually beginning of June to September We try to get a lot of our heavy stuff because we're paying sixty five cents a pound to bring everything into town and and the barges a little less and it takes a little longer But it's truck to the barged landing and then it's arched into town and so There is That that is a big cost. I mean you can buy a Koga or Safeway brand of fruit cocktail stewed tomatoes for fifty nine cents in town. But by the time it's I'm paying a trucking and then I'm paying the sixty five cents a pound of flown in or the barge. You know. Then it's you know two bucks so it's a lot of it is just You know keeping the lights on and shipping and getting it into town. Well we're talking about the high cost of food in the north Specifically today and if you've got something you'd like to share give us a call. The number is one eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight if you're listening K. Y K and BETHEL. How much does it cost to get a can of fruit cocktail call us and share the price? One eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight. Let's go further north. We've got Joining us now from Joe Haven Nunavut Canada is Sammy. And Betty Cog Vic Sammy is a greenhouse leader and betty is a gardener in the greenhouse. And they're both in you it. Welcome to native America calling both Sammy. Betty James Brady does betty. Do you WANNA Further introduce yourself. It'd be a good Black not bitcoin news among not Italian ninety also because get some news does with my thank you so much for introducing yourself. So Betty tell us a little bit about The greenhouse that you have up there The green homes. We have Cherry tomatoes that Harvey's just Dayton been planting them since Over and we have Finger carriage that are planting make green and Sunflower seeds and peppers. Oh that sounds awesome and Okay so how cold is it right now? Where you're at we have More minus four to six weeks now and you're growing all of those things right now in minus forty-six yes. I should let our listeners know there's just a slight delay On the phone lines of from where we're talking and we're talking about Growing your own food and the high cost of food in the north and Canada in Alaska. Maybe even up in Montana North Dakota call us and share. How expensive is food in your area? The number to join us is one eight hundred nine six two eight four. That's one eight hundred nine nine native and Betty is this the first time that you got into gardening with this. This specific program. Yes it's my first time to do gardening. I never did it before and never did anything and planting before. It's my first Sammy. Can you share with us a little bit about the cost of food that you buy in the store there all four Very not destroy us in your store. Certain Commercial Club stores. It's very expensive Just following fee items when to bake constable over one hundred fifty It's hard to live up. North right now Just for Kinda pulp. It's four dollars. Something since just two Bucks. Five dollars In for Gum kosh above four dollars to church expansion appear so the solution is this program to build a greenhouse inside shipping containers. And we'RE GONNA learn a little bit more about that after the break But if you're just joining us we are talking about the high cost of food in native America specifically in the North In Alaska and in Canada and we want to hear about the prices of food in your area. How much does it cost for you to go to? The grocery store is prohibitive to be able to feed yourself things like lettuce or tomatoes or even give us a call. The number is one eight hundred nine nine. Six two eight four. That's also one eight hundred nine nine native. Cynthia were just about to go to break Anything else you WANNA share about the high cost of food in your area and I also Failed to mention that we do. You know supplement our our business We rent the post office and we have been breakfast so we also do a lot of extra things to keep it going But I think the greenhouse thing is awesome. I'd like to know how they heated in forty below We did get a big grant and they did start a greenhouse here in Tannan And it's been in the works but it's not it's not going yet But you know projects that are awesome. I agree one hundred percents and I just think it's amazing that you can grow anything in you know like in cold weather places and so we're going to go to a short break after the break. We're GONNA continue our conversation about the high cost of food. We'll be right back Versions of the Maori Ceremonial Down Taco presented in Popular Media New Zealand's rugby team. The all blacks perform one before matches actor Jason Momoa joined in Hakka at aquaman premier but its popularity is also leading to appropriation by outsiders. We'll talk about the Maori Haka on the next native America calling support by dream. Spring a nonprofit community lender for over twenty five years dream. Spring has been increasing access to business credit for entrepreneurs across New Mexico Arizona and beyond dream spring offers loans for self employed entrepreneurs startups and large established enterprises information about flexible credit requirements affordable rates and customized lending available by calling eight hundred five zero. Eight seventy six twenty four or online at Dream Spring Dot Com. You'RE LISTENING TO NATIVE AMERICA. Calling Monica brain sitting in for Terry Gatewood. We're talking about the high food. High food costs today. If you're for northern Alaska or anywhere in Alaska gifts perspective we'd love to hear from you Where do you get your food And how much does it cost? We are at one eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight less also one eight hundred nine nine native and we've got Cynthia Ericsson with us. She is The owner of ten and a commercial company in the founder of my grandma's house and we also have Sammy and Betty Coug VIC and they both work in the greenhouse up in Nunavut Canada which If you're just joining us They shared with us. It's forty-six below today. And they're growing things like lettuce in the greenhouse. I want to add one more voice to the conversation. Joining us from nunavut. Canada is Wade Thor. Haag he's executive director of the Kaikal Vic Food Center. Welcome to native America calling. Wade I mean. How do they do on that pronunciation? Not that tell us about this. This Covic Food Center of Food Center is a registered charity That focuses on Food Security Initiative in our community and in the new territory as a whole so Right now focus on food access Food Skills Advocacy and so some among some of the things we do. I would daily meal seven days. A week We do a pre employment training program for underemployed community members We do an after school cooking classes for kids. Would you drop in cooking club for adults and families and yeah? We're just starting a healthy food box program next week. That's great and Tell us a little bit about the The cooking classes. So there's one that involves kids from the neighboring elementary school So it's a small group of children and ends basically and they're between the ages of nine to eleven and it's a way to get them involved interested in Cooking Young Age Not all of them. I know from my own experience. I didn't have much experience cooking so It's a chance to get them interested in in In healthy eating habits that will hopefully with them for the for their life time and then the other group had. The cooking club is Is just basically a group of committee members who just want to get together and share a meal together so Be invited people to share. Whatever skills are food knowledge that they have so Because they call me. This is a fairly diverse community. We've had nights that involves three Dunkin Food Filipino food. Zimbabwe and food And it's just it really is just sort of a really informal Get together around food. I love informal. Get togethers around food. it always makes me so happy to to be able to share food with one another and in particular? When you're eating something that you've grown it's it just makes you feel like a Rockstar. Betty let me ask you this dean. Can you share with us? A little bit about the greenhouse that you guys have and how you heat the greenhouse in forty-seven below The greenhouse which is May Have come she continues. And it's Insulated and we have Heat you may be are scaled to twenty two to twenty four to me twenty and the humidity issue me. A boat exceed two expires and too much tax usually and or Twenty and betty. What was it like the first time you grew something and you tasted it like one of those cherry tomatoes fresh enjoy anew go up so specially. I mean what about you Sammy How did how did it feel to be able to try this this fresh food for the first time that you grew It's very tasty and I enjoyed very Chris. veggies It's not like they're stored box Very how does it work Sammy in the community in? So you're the greenhouse leader How do you share the crops with everyone Who contributes just Oh I'm sorry. Sammy yes how so? How does it work in the greenhouse? Does everyone come in and have to share a little bit Themselves Chair in the work. And how do you determine to split up the food re deliver all the richest to community It's more day orders and some school kids. That are school kids in their school And also the other work places The very injury fresh magician and they all left it in we also have Local people coming vitiated and they would be tasting all these fresh tomato tomato and lettuce and whatnot. Whatever we GROAN that sounds delicious. Betty I know you guys got to get going One other question. How does this fit in with your regular subsistence hunting and fishing We've been hunting the past few years but we can go on. We'll have time. What do you hunt It saw little we Caribou and we'll go ice fishing and sometimes we must Scott and anything else you WANNA share about the greenhouse project I really enjoyed. It's relaxing dorking the greenhouse. And I like to think. Oh my core because that helps everything we do. A court casseus cooler not mark to cook and then after that or The two others are not feeling well and so we didn't think four for what they do with us and the big to say hello to everybody that knows me and family. Thank you so much that's Sammy and Betty Cog vic they work in a greenhouse in Joe Haven Nunavut Canada and If you If you miss that they are growing food at forty seven below If you want to join our conversation tell us about the high cost of food. Or maybe how? You're trying to circumvent that. Maybe you've got a trick or tip for saving money on food particularly when it's high cost in your area give us a call we want to hear from you. The number is one eight hundred nine nine. Six two eight four eight. Let's go to Corinne in Barrow Alaska tune in on Kaby are W. Hey there Corinne Carlo. What are you thinking about when it comes to groceries and the cost of food? Okay THAT GROCERIES. Here we have three stores There's one brand new one cost and we have the A C store also a Local store our coast trading post and Smarter Store quickstep which is run by a C. or stroke anyway The cost of food hair is very expensive with a gallon of milk at at twelve dollars and half a gallon is like five bucks What A new store just came and they told the community. We would have Cheaper food to purchase. And and what I do is. It's not very cheap living in Barrow it's Very high cost of living but the stores. I barely shop in our local stores. Because it's so high I'm Cosco Shopper and Anchorage or Fred Meyer. So I try to get as much as I can and Bring in my food from there. So and plus we count on our subsistence hunting Foods here we We catch as as a family so I wanted to share that. I do my shopping in anchorage because it's a lot cheaper and I max. My luggage with groceries can get It's a lot of work to do that but I make it worth for my family. Corine thank you for sharing that. If I might just ask a quick follow up question. How did you realize that? It was cheaper to fly to anchorage by food and fly back home. Did you just do the math I didn't do the math. I just I try to as much as I. Don't go to anchorage very often. But when I can I try to do my shopping In big box. 'cause I think I feel it's cheaper that way I don't really do my math on my travel So because you have to go to anchorage anyway for something else. If I need middle things like milk and butter or eggs here I keep track of what I buy but but still I just wanted to share. I do most of my shopping in anchorage which I should be doing. My shopping here locally. But it's kind of expensive might like to help my own community but you know it's I just try to can get expensive and Also I have family that go hunt. Caribou and feels and hunt whales. You know and but still. We need a grocery from the store. That's just the way you tomorrow But we crave for Eskimo food and we create for Groceries FROM COSCO. So I do both corine. Thanks so much for giving us a call and if you're listening in Barrow on Kaby are W do you Fly To anchorage and go to Costco. Get your groceries or are you trying out these new grocery this new grocery store that you just got gives call eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight. Let's go to Wilson in Bethel Alaska tune in on Kyi UK. Hey there Wilson. What do you think about the cost of food? I operate a food service program for elders to Owen. See and the Food Kosh just ordering you know pallets of food anywhere from three thousand four thousand dollars worth of product you know food and just airfare to the Bush. You know approach system then. We don't have no road in or out of vessel. There's a lot of communities like that. It seemed like They're close to half of the food cost. Maybe even close to half the food cost like four three four thousand dollars to airway. Bill would be twenty twenty five hundred or twenty seven hundred freight. That's the bill for the freight to get it here so my my My wish for this program. What you're airing out would be to Get Him Get Tally of how many people say that screwed costs are really high especially for people in the Bush and that needs to be somehow shared with the legislators and the people that have anything to do with budgeting for senior program. We keep we in the Bush need more funding just to cover the cost of food and your your program really Right when you're people people from the different communities say that it's high cost food because of the break thank you. Thanks Wilson appreciate it. Let's go to Jim and Billingham Alaska tuned in on Katie L. G. Hey there Jim Central Avenue. I just had a couple Point to cover That we run into sounds a lot like what's going on there We're paying twice as much to Seattle and I think I figured it was two thirds of what anchors pace which is a minimum two dollars. Flight Away if you leave today. It's going to be three fifty one way. So if you happen to be in town It's always the benefit by some groceries and bring him back with the Venus through pain. Twenty five bucks a box or even more than what you're getting now heavy or but There are some people here who have high houses. I don't know anyone were the winner There are gardens Growing y you know flowers for the bank and the grocery store and that sort of thing I think they're going to start trying tomatoes But like I said. I don't know that anyone's succeeding through the winter Hydroponics might be And I don't know what would efficiencies you're running into the store lady Got Me thinking about aggressive on on our talk to who stock got taxed annually. So that even if he had things left from the previous year they came in did a survey stock and tax on that which seems crazy to me. I don't know if the grocery stores in town have that problem if that's the case as that's just another phenomenal thing it I don't know if it'd be a local tax or or state but it seems ridiculous to be doing on top of food just because you have the property that you're in possession of as a as a business so that was some serious about but Jim was that in Billingham the the restaurant the restaurant. I was talking to me about that getting taxed on anything. That wasn't so with an interesting well. Jim Thank you so much for giving us a call from Billingham tune in on Katie. Lg and if you want to join our conversation about the high cost of food up north you still have time. The number is one eight hundred nine nine. Six two eight four eight. We haven't even gotten to taxes. Usually food isn't taxed. But I'll be interested to Dr Cynthia after the break. More about If taxes play a role in this particularly thinking about The you know having to pay taxes on gasoline To bring you know like ship the food in and things like that. That's really interesting and we want to hear from you. You know How much does a gallon of milk cost in your area? Give us a call and share one. Eight hundred nine six two eight four eight. That's also one eight hundred nine nine native. Are you able to Deal with the high cost of food in your area by using subsistence hunting. Call US and share will be right back support by BE NSF. Railway moving our economy for over one hundred sixty five years. Our vision is to operate injury accident. Free with safety programs training and technology more at B. NSF com slash troubled relations support for journalism that raises the awareness of child wellbeing to citizens and to policymakers provided by the Annie E. Casey Foundation building a brighter future for children families and communities information at cf Dot Org. You're attended native America. Calling Monica brain sitting in for Tara Gatewood and we're talking about the high cost of food. Prices call some share one eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight. Cynthia Ericsson is with us. She's the owner of the ten and a commercial company and founder of my grandma's house. And we also have weighed thor hog. He's executive director of the Clinical Vic Food Center and Cynthia before the break. We're talking a little bit about taxes and The costs Are there any taxes involved with what you what you have to do? We know we have a local Village Tax of two percent in like the the fuel tax. But we don't think God we don't have Any other taxes because it would probably shut the door and a lot of communities You know when you think of his business owner. It's it's a tough business to run. It's A. It's a lot of overhead. A lot of high costs and utilities You have a limited customer base. You're competing a lot more than in nineteen seventy five with You Know Amazon and Costco or Sam's Club A lot of people do prime orders. So if you had any other Taxes or anything that could easily shut your door It would be a struggle for us. Says private owners in rural Alaska doesn't even ever get angry with you like Cynthia. Why are these eggs so expensive? Oh Yeah you get it. My whole life fifty. Six years has been born to a store in You know it's hard to Explain to people that you know aren't in the business world you know to open up your store and to get the fuel brought in to get the grocery brought in and when you get a barge order. I mean you're talking. You know twenty thousand dollars that you have to pay cash for. We have credit in the store We subsidize our or supplement. Our Life with you know. We leased to the post office and we also do bed and breakfast so it's a kind of a collaborative effort and you know doing three other jobs so it's a We have to wear many hats to survive as a private. I don't know about you know Alaska commercial and other ones but as far as you know private family owned Business IT'S A. It's it's a lot of work Wade let's talk a little bit more about your program. How is the house? What was the purpose? Why was it started to deal with the food? Insecurity issues in Nunavut Yeah Organization has really long history. It was actually Started back in the nineties As a vehicle to talk about sexual health They felt that the best way to do that was over over. A meal So in in the ensuing years As being for a long time it was kind of like a soup kitchen Just serving out a a meal every day In recent years we were thinking about. How do we address Sort of more root causes of food. Insecurity You know there's only so much you can accomplish when you just provide you know. Open up a food vancouver or provide a dating meal so We're trying to think What how can we alleviate problems for the for the future? How can we look at the systemic issues? That are that are creating this food insecurity in the in the first place. So that's why we focused we honed in on on You know pre employment training and food skills and We're also advocating for larger changes that could be made at the policy level One thing that would really like to see is The federal government and start supporting our local food system. Our local hunters like they would support. you know dairy producers in the south or farmers in the prairies You know Dr Country Values Local food systems. Don't WanNa just import all their food from the US or or or China And they should have a you know a ready Unified Vision as to as to different food systems that exist in the country. It shouldn't just focus on the agricultural production. I shall focus on the local food systems that have existed here for thousands of years. What would that look like Wade? Would it be a subsidy for subsistence hunters You know to feed themselves. Or how would that look well? It's not the hasn't really been anything. Put into action. Yeah there's been a lot of talk We don't we don't really want to see a commodification of harvested country food There's Costa there's sort of a I mean that's not the way that that that's a food has been distributed in the past and we don't want to necessarily create a market for for each But one thing that's been from both Pro- pros buy the tickets on Inoue dissociation Is to have a sort of salaries ation of hunters like basically may turn that into Salary profession and give them the stability they need to Hunt full time because a lot of hunters right now. They're they're they're a lot of them are living in poverty. All of them are only going out on weekends Because they have to work a fulltime job during the during the week or you know they they survive on like a spouse's income just to be able to hunt and That's a really a far cry from fifty to one hundred years ago and when you know the hunters and a community where the most well respected individuals and now they're You know very far from that so to bring hundreds backtra position in the community. Where they can you know where they where they have the disease the financial stability and the the respect they deserve is a would be a really great thing. Yeah definitely Can you share with us? About what the cost of food in your area is. What are you seeing on the grocery store shelves so Yeah in Halloween. We seem to be two or three times The the food cost of southern Canada This community tends to have a better food prices than a lot of other communities that are further further north Further up the island Just because we're sort of the hub coming straight from Ottawa Montreal Some things that are. There's there's a subsidy that exists in Canada called nutrition Nicole Nutrition North Canada and that focuses on like a list of of items that they deem to be nutritious and healthy so some things like produce The prices are not a whole lot different from the south. Maybe they might be more But things that are not on that list Tend to be quite a bit more expensive. Yeah sometimes two or three times as much as you would find elsewhere in the country. I just read a study that said or an article about a study that found that since nutrition. North Canada started the food. Insecurity is actually gone up Why do you figure I think the program itself has a number of flaws I don't the the approach is basically to Pass onto the all the entire subsidy to retailers and then retailers sort of adjust their prices To pass that onto consumers. Now you know. It's it's hard to really whole retailers to account on on On on their pricing. They do audits. They do audits to a few of the retailers every year but You know really gives so much power To the retailers to to to create the prices and they're really the the major beneficiaries of this subsidy I would rather like if I don't know how I think that over the years we've tried. The different governments have tried tweaking the program but I think really needs the whole thing needs to be revisited. Like it's one hundred million dollars a year budgets and there's a lot of things you could do that It would be nice if we had a more Concentrated distribution because right now You know everybody in Nunavik or you know how to read or wherever benefits from this subsidy no matter what their income is was. There's people that benefit from subsidize Food I had a groceries in this in the store. Even if they make hundred fifty dollars a year So you know maybe having and maybe looking at how instead of just subsidizing the transportation of food from the south. How do we don't use that money to support local food systems You know business because that's the food that ultimately people wanna be eating and and It can you know really revitalize our local economies. Well way do you. Do you think that folks have changed their diets because of the food costs and You know in you you in particular. Have you had to change the way that you eat? Because of the high price of food Really can't I can't speak further than my own in my own case. I I tend to well. I do my own sealift order like a lot of people Do every some summer But that requires you know like like your previous caller was saying that requires a huge outlay of money every every year. Not Everybody's able to do that but What I do is I. I tend to just go to grocery store for you. Know a few fresh fresh veggies and stuff. But they all of the the non perishable items. I usually just pull from my pantry. So yeah it's it it it requires that you be a bit if you. WanNa eat affordably You you have to be quite creative with your food. Not Everybody's like that You know not everybody's comfortable with cooking or like or able to pair. Th you know year's worth of food in advance and also too when you're living in Cry Overcrowded homes. Which is a case of? You know it's hard to Make a big order food in the summer and then hope to have to hope to have enough left over by Christmas These things are all like and so what happens is a lot of people end up. Just you know depending on the retailers and and what a and the local restaurants and that whatever prices they'll probably they'll they'll charge. How do your cooking classes fit into that? You know in terms of Helping folks plan ahead a little bit more and And Cook for themselves. Well we want to be able like four people get people to be able to work with whatever they have You know some like it's not always Especially in a place like there was a lot of food. Floating around is not necessarily an issue of like a lack of food in and of itself they lack of quality food or lack of knowledge about how to prepare food So that it tastes good and that it's still healthy So we you know we whenever we do our cooking classes we make meals that are Accessible like you shouldn't you know we're not going to be using ingredients that cost an arm and a leg or hard to find. You know something you 'cause you should be able to find out there in your pantry or you should be able to get on the cheap so you know Supplementing your your protein intake with with pulses and beans is like his is one thing you know learning how to? Bake your bread that sort of thing There's a but yeah just we. We want people to be more comfortable with with Food and not have to see it as something. That's like that you know you need a certain you need certain things to make this certain things that you don't really need To to dwell on the specifics you can always substitute things for meals. And you can. You can always be creative and and still come out with something. That's delicious and healthy. I added carrots. Lasagna one time and it was interesting to say the least but I don't know if it really you know made it any healthier. Yeah I know that when we make lasagna. We definitely don't use recode cheese because it's way too expensive. I'm not sure what what gets us in this place but Yeah there's yeah are are definitely kosher. Yeah we're kind of CHEESE DOWN HERE IN NEW. Mexico is expensive. What about using the? Do you have some favorite recipes that you make with things? Either that you grow or that are cheaper. So that's You know who've kind of keep your prices low you know. What do you think about it? We we live in a perfect environment. We have You Know Moose. And Wail and Caribou and berries and Whitefish Fish with no hormones pesticides I think The key here is you know educating our young to to look in our backyard and do what we can do this fall. I jarred with my kids. My Grandma's house kids recharge Moose Meat Caribou Salmon They learned how to cut They did everything. And even the little kids put it in the pressure cooker and shielded and sat there and watched it so You know there's a lot of things that we can do To to help with the food cost But I think it's important to educate the children as young and and mentoring with you know with gardening and hunting and When we grew up in Ruby we. We didn't have electricity. We didn't have running water and we're a lot healthier than we didn't have cancer So I think it's important to think about what we can do You know to be more self sufficient in our backyard. How long does can't Moose Jarred Moose meat last as long as it feels it lasts. I had fish for five years found in the and All all of it is is always long sealed. It's good there's there's specific times that they say on the books and stuff but everything that we've ever had last last forever. Did the kids get excited when they heard the the popping sound of Jars? Oh they sit there. It's so adorable. They just sit there. They're like they. We always play a song. Like pop pop band says Oh what a relief it is. They are so excited they come the next day and tell them let's wait and let it cool off and they'll come back and we brought some elders and They were just so excited to look at it and And we did a lot of stuff that you can garden potatoes and turnips carrots that you can put in with the Moose and Caribou Fish. You don't need anything you just need to Canada jar and a little bit of salt and It it really is an exciting thing for children's learn They're eager to learn. They love the final results result. And they're very very proud so I really encourage Anything that we can do in our backyard and and educating the younger the better we really do have a A lot of really really good resources. That we need to bring back to the table. All right well. Unfortunately we've reached the end of our hour. I WanNa say thank you so much to our guests who joined today. Cynthia Ericsson Wade for Hog. And Sammy and Betty Cog vic and if you heard something in the show today that you liked we're GONNA put it up on our web sites in our archive could go back and listen to it. Jarrett. We'll we're back tomorrow with a show about misappropriation of Hakka and I'm senior producer. Monica brain sitting in for Tara. Gatewood have a good one support by Freedom Lodge providing healing for seven generations offering one of a kind two hundred our historical trauma masterclass beginning in. May Twenty twenty on the oneida nation in Wisconsin for professional counselors therapists social workers and educators. 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That's eight, hundred, eight, hundred, seventy, one, sixty, seven paid for by airtime, media. And welcome back to TV. Presents Sport magazine on radio I'm John Daly so get ready for your sports. TV viewing to be quite different as I mentioned in the first segment golf special called the match with tiger. Phil. Brady and was brilliant, but I think that is how we will watch and most likely under sports. Because, there won't be fans in the stands. You will see the fans digital. I think you're going to start. Seeing the setup with the players will not have caddies, but they will have cars with cameras and microphones. And I think players are going to have to reach out to fans more than ever, even if it distracts their game. And I think fans will be on the broadcast digitally connecting and commentator. Let me bring in one of my experts Chris Crock the cell where the Digital Media and Marketing Company and I have to do to see his company is go to sell worthy dot com and sell worthy. The is spelled with one out, and I should point out that Chris and I actually do work together in different online media projects that you can actually see at his website so so Chris what? What are you seeing? That will change sports viewing especially over the next year something a digitisation of the entire experience everything from the interactivity with the players all the way to the interactivity with the fans so It's a much closer experience on the players side now almost like if you were falling over the shoulder in some instances, all the way to you know having different vantage points viewpoints. And then for the fans inability to being able to interact during an event and afternoon events, so it's it's making it a very interactive experience all around. Why is that difficult to do or did they? Pull it off easily. Is it something that's gotTa? Have to change quite a bit. It's actually pretty major undertaking. at the simplest level having multiple cameras, and you know really it's more or less a choreography. Throughout the entire experience, so you're having a lot of different people in a control room, but just managing it through digital in in many cases filtering ATV livestream but you know. Let me let me explain. That's why if you and I were to go and pay off today or tomorrow, and we were to throw a GOPRO. On each of our golf carts right you could actually live stream on facebook or youtube. You know what we're doing. Our our experience are playing so that on steroids basically having someone behind the scenes or several people behind the scenes, managing that and also changing the view and Selah. Turning into a regular television broadcast, which facebook and twitter does do, it's kind of just. Social media let it fly and you know there's no editing and there's no moving around. Okay, all right cool. I'm John Daly the show TV s presents sport magazine Radio. We're talking to Christopher, Crockett the owner sell worthy digital in media marketing company. The site is celery. Dot Com and sell worthy is spelled with only one L so in. In describing it that way. Does that preclude, let's say from like high schools and colleges doing something like that for their sports. No they could do it more or less than the way I described you and I going out. and there's many variations between depends obviously on the equipment depends on who they have. We could help but in many cases. both high school teams in colleges would actually be in a good position. Do something like this because they usually have video team you know via courses video programs especially at the college level, and at the high school level now west media becoming such a big part of society So you know it, it gets a crease, an actual fusion of in class, learning, and practicing it through that, so it actually could up. Some doors four colleges in high schools. Well I would imagine. You're not old enough to have kids yet, but if you had a high school kid playing golf and you couldn't go out there, but a great way to tune in that actually you know. High School could actually make some money off something like that, couldn't they? Yeah I think it's going to open up a and change her trajectory of. Sports in general at all different levels right all the way from you know little kids, practices and everything all the way up to you know the pro and kind of what we're talking about before just because. You get to experience a lot and don't forget. We're still somewhat behind. What's about to come in the very near future virtual reality and being able to wear glasses getting a three? D. experienced so some point the experience. Up to the point of getting the sense of smell and being able to grab a hot dog in the stand is going to be almost exactly the experience of what would be understand so that's been a and they're very near future. You know next year or two. and I think get out. It, really changes the whole dynamic between sports and how it's monetize as well. Wow so you actually think the virtual reality is going to happen that soon where I smell the hot dog and a beer in the stands. On that again. I don't think you're going to get into smelling experience I think. It's up to that point I think that's where it's. GonNa. Stop Short but I think we will get everything up to that. I think you know This is GonNa this whole coronavirus. Situation is going to really push all that. Because people are gonNA be creaming those experiences INS. You know no matter what they're still gonNA be people scared to go to stadiums. They're still going to be nervous. Go to these events, and who knows what limitations may still be in effect a year from now so that's GonNa really propel the need for people still have those experiences, and to be able experienced that at home, so having the ability to put on glasses or three TV's and be able to experience everything up to having that sense of smell It's probably going to become easier to access more readily available and made as part of the presentation of a sporting event. While so I talk to people about what what you're doing because you're literally connecting your clients. From home to their offices to new customers so you've got some insight into an ex-. Explain what you are seeing. What businesses need to do now? Well, businesses need to connect with customers and potential customers, and when we're all at home. What's really the only way to do that sir? not everyone afford to pay for commercials, and even then it's hard to target who you're going to be reaching so being able to get on whether it's through video livestream creating content online. That's what it's all about and you know more or less is pretty much what we're doing right now. We're helping. Our clients create content and reached both potential and customers and John. Like we've done many times. We're actually working together. in doing that in many cases where we'll do live interviews with businesses talking about products services. They're offering how they're handling the whole corona virus. So it's really we're really looking to make this whole process easier for them. Help them do what they do best, which is served their customers, and we do what we do best and getting them online and being able to help them generate content, and cre-. So and we're also working with you. Know down to the level restaurants even where we're helping them find new ways. To present menus and you know this is a whole bunch of different things that can be done now. That should stay in place around in a good practice to have to always be creating. Okay. I wish we immortality. I'd like you to get into the Qr Code. You were just mentioning that if you can't give me give me about ten seconds, and with the Qr code is for the restaurants. Basically, if they qr code that you skin with your camera on your phone, and it allows you to pull the menu buyer phones instead of having menus any to be thrown out or cleaned every time you could just act through something that everyone has an android and IOS divide. And it is so cool when you see it in person all right. We are talking to Christopher Crockett. He's the owner. Sell Worthy of Digital, media and Marketing Company. The site is sell worthy dot com, and sell worthy spelled with one L. 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I represent twenty three. Amazing Award winning ball courses that stretch the grand strand. We call it and that's from rural. Let South Carolina all the way to Charlotte North Carolina. And I could run down the list of these twenty three courses, but just to name a few. Katie shows in the middle of the beach. We've Got Carolina National Close to Charlotte. Goes back blackmail country club in what we call country. And The list just goes on Brunswick. country. Club we've got river's edge and you're very familiar with. Glenn Welcome. Watches so he's. Pearl. Fissile Golf Club and so forth. I I'd like. Everyone to know each and every one of them, this might take a little while. well, it's true what's interesting. Is that even though we're in a region kind of flat near the Ocean region not a lot of mountains and stuff there. There's a lot of diversity in the courses. Like for instance went like when you mentioned this'll. This'll has kind of that at Scottish. Feel a little bit of a links feel and then. The river's edge and I live on river's edge and I mean it winds in and out of the intercoastal waterway here which creates some incredible views some incredible shots to. Is there any other style? Of course that maybe I'm missing? No I I think I. Think we've got we've got. We've got the. The ones that you could be in the middle of the fairway and you're at a forty five degree angle. They've Greens elevated it. T- boxes are above the Greens and we got. We got so many different styles courses, and you know I was looking at some footage of a friend of mine, and what's up and he was on the golf course in England. And just to see the beauty of what we have here. That are playing. Around on the world, just talk. Is and I'm lucky enough to have close is that? What I call designed by the pros. You know People? I'm Gary player Dan Maples. Freddie couples peak die. We've got so many amazing, architectural designs and He basically since auto level to play and I was I was able to make loved it. I. Don't think I hit they. Live breaking windows. Fairway and he can. You can be on the. Row Forty feet into the water. You know it's it's beautiful. challenging the documents that we have. You know what's what's really cool about the Myrtle beach golf trail is the fact that because it's it's. It's wide enough, so if you're coming down here for a weekend or just a three or four day golf tour, and you just want to stay in one area. There's actually enough courses in each area. Where you could, you could do a play in stay. Let's say down in. South of Myrtle beach or in Myrtle beach or in North Carolina. Talk about that just a little bit, so people get an idea of what you guys are offering. So so my website, the Myrtle beach golf trail dot com website. We actually break it down into areas south central, so south is like the low country where we have. Gary Player. blackmore watching so he's which condos on it. condos and so resort the have international club, which is really ready beautiful, you know. Homes, from around the world we have Indigo Creek then we have. Right near the airport I kind of ads if you could do middle of the beach on Christmas or you go south if you had. If you were to do middle, he would probably know Schlossberg Lynn Prestwick Arcadian shows and then you go a little bit off and you could. You could do Glynn dorning beautiful. Another beautiful dog goes right there in the war way. Glenn donate vessel. and then if you wanted to go off as you know river's edge. Folly telling national. Pretty schools are represented on farmer. So there's so many you can actually do south. Central and north you could each one of them at least three different combinations. I haven't let out combinations we have, but if you were to break it down into areas, I would say at least three different packages for the same site side of the beach. Each time you. So you could come down here two or three times, and and not play the same courses so. When, you go on me! Golf trail dot. com, is there a way to kind of look for deals or is everything kind of set the same way? They're different things that people should look for if they're looking for deals. Right, so go to Myrtle beach Dogville. Come website and you. You Click the trail of packages we created. It starts off with a custom trial. So you know you, you may have heard some courses, and hopefully on this show that you'll hear. More detail about courses and you might WanNa. Try Three different courses that we have created so we've created things like the trail twenty seven. That's accosted that have twenty seven polls so that when you when you get there, you're paying twenty seven, not just being. Created. What we call the trail thirty three. Naturally you have the option to cree book. Another eighteen holes. You'll think thirty six holes a day. You know we've got winter winter stations. We've got the coastal trail. You know it kind of goes around the coastal area low country, which I mentioned earlier in your neck of the Woods Brunswick. Which is the county where Ribas. Edges Create Brunswick County trail. The courses so so so so we've been trying to make it easy for people to say okay. I want to stay missing the beach. is going to fit. You know my schedule and my budget's scheduled meaning. The last time you have to travel the more time you can play. Perfect I'm John Daly. You're listening to TV. S Present Sport magazine on radio. We're talking to AJ. Go Hill, vice president of sales and Business Development for East Coast Golf Management. We're talking about the Myrtle beach golf trail. You can find it at myrtle. Beach Golf Trail Dot Com. You can also go to undercover jetsetter. My Youtube Channel which is YouTube dot com slash undercover jets, and you can find a ton of golf segments that we've done. Of the courses on the Myrtle Beach Golf Trail Aj. There's more than just golf on the Myrtle beach golf trail. It's actually a great resource for other things. Talk about some of the other things. People can do coming down here in addition to play golf. So if you coming down here, we've got so many. Myrtle beach is known for the beach, the golf courses and then shopping, believe it or not so obviously. You want to spend some time on the beach We've got outlets out. There you can shop and and get so many you know designer names They're all out there, but you know what. I like is even go fishing fishing told. Deep Sea, fishing, we'd go casino boats out here. we got restaurants these restaurants. I'd be happy about that. That could be a trip just on its own and I know your food. You know you could spend the whole them eating different restaurant three times a day and have amazing to so some so much gotTa distillery. which make their own alcoholic beverages? Beautiful, whiskey. And I'm trying to think what it was, it was a Ri-. Jen Oh my God. So. But there's so much to do. We got wineries. You can get to the winery or you can go to is actually a retail store that that's owned by one, so there's so much to do We got BIT BUT MEMPHIS landing. Road at the beach, these places you can do spend the whole day that. There is restaurants that's microbes is. Somewhat, there's so much you can do so much entertainment family. That's an about. Is You know you name it? We can take care of everything moved mortgage. Yeah, there's a lot and also just real quickly. We GonNa go, but this is also a great place for people to come to see if they wanna live down here, too, and that's a good way to come down to a vacation down here and see if you want to live, right. Perfect yeah, exactly and I was still. People travel. Fifteen twenty years packages they don't buy A. House if you're tired down here and I was reminded him, too. Don't forget. Continue on vacation you know, get out there and enjoy the beach and enjoy the bonds, joy restaurants, but yes. Let's dolphins that have been playing us for. The last twenty years actually ended up the fulltime residents. To No, that's. All right, this is great. We've been talking AJ. Go. Hill is vice president of sales and business development with east coast. Golf Management They represent more than twenty golf courses twenty-three as a matter of fact, myrtle beach area, covering north and south. Carolina you can go to Myrtle beach golf trail dot com AJ. Thanks for being on. We'll have you back on again. Thank, you. All Right? Thanks a lot when we come back. We're going to talk to the glue. He kept the big red machine going. We Talk With Doug Flynn. 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Want to stay in touch with your favorite sports byline USA network hosts like us on facebook or follow us on twitter at Sports Byline USA you could also see the latest news in the world of sports learn about upcoming contests and giveaways plus catch up on guest in folks, so you never miss a moment with the biggest names in every sport football, basketball, baseball, anime, and more no matter where you are in the US or around the world you can stay connected to the host and fans who love when you love, so check us out on facebook and twitter at Sports Byline USA. Welcome back to TV present Sport magazine on radio. I'm John Daly. My next guest is nicknamed. The Glue Doug. Flynn is a former major league baseball player who played with the reds, mets expos. Rangers and Tigers Doug is also a TV, host and what I would call one of the greatest ambassadors for Lexington, Kentucky and Kentucky also plays in a lot of celebrity golf events with me. Doug welcome to the show. Thanks J. D. and I tell you bring up a good Manley boy. I'm sure missing all those van that we normally get to go to. You know that's true. We'll touch on those a little later but death. Let's talk a little bit about baseball. You broadcast to work with the Cincinnati reds. Tell me what you see ahead for Major League Baseball. Will we actually have any baseball this year? If you'd call two weeks ago I said I think we got a very good chance of having baseball, but. As it is right now. There's too many people that are changing their mind on deal the older Mehta. Offered to the players, the players agreed to it. The owners came back and said. You know we have to make some changes. It's my opinion whatever it takes to working out. They're going to have to do it because if they don't. Some other sport Bro Sports GonNa take off and the baseball could lose an awful lot of. Fans. Interesting. What what? What other sport do you think would take off? That would be safe enough to play because. I. Think Baseball's actually one of the say for sports. Well it whether they sports, but the problem is right now. They can't come to any agreement between the players ownership. The you take a guy making thirty million dollars. That's a unbelievable amount of money to be making well. The owners are not going to pay him. According to how many games they're thinking, paying him like six or seven million well, that's pretty hip or your contract. There's got to be some way that they can work it out with the players that you don't play me for each game eight proactive. However you can do that. We play eighty games. That's half of the season. Pay Me Half my salary and I think that was the agreement they had originally then came back and change their mind, and since then had a hard time of coming up with anything for both party. MD, do you think. You think both sides. It's kind of a business deal for them, and they're okay with with not playing and. I mean. How do you think are going to be with that? Have, to be really ticked off and they're already ticked off and you know right now if they got the TV rights that are worked out, then play the game because people are looking for something to watch on television They need their baseball pick. They need to go to bed at night here on the radio or watch it on television. There's nobody to say that's going to be awfully tough to do and I think there's a difference. Between the collegiate game in the professional game between the game it's GonNa Bounce back and I I would love to see that with people in the states I think that's GonNa be hard to do without putting people there, but you know baseball that'll play in Florida and Arizona they data. Get this season. They can't miss the whole season if they do that. I just think it's going to be tragic for the game because you're GONNA have people talking about greedy owners or greedy ballplayers and either way, it's not a good fit. So you think college baseball. We'll come back though. That year. I cheer not certainly not coming up in this coming spring now. We've lost it. It's too late now, so they start so some of the changes they've made for next year however. They're gonNA. Start the season a little bit later and play more on up into the summer. Shoot the first ball game here. You take was February eighteenth. I mean we got snow on the ground, so it's cold. It told that's right so I. Think one of the smartest thing that baseball's done is moved. The season back the teams in south and out. West were able to play in that kind of this because the weather's. Most of the country were getting some lousy weather, so that's a good move. All, right? This is Tedious Presents Sport magazine on Radio I'm John Daly. We were talking to Doug Flynn. He is the former major leaguer for the reds, mets, Expos Rangers, and Tigers, but he is best known as the glue now. This is actually one of my two favorite stories that came out and celebrity golf events that you and I've been to. This. One's about you explaining to Johnny Bench. How you called the glue. Tell that story. It's hysterical. Where you want the whole story. Well I mean we. We probably got about eight minutes left, but if you if you could do kind of quick I wanna get into another one too about you. Quick. Story, they were doing a statue in Cincinnati for I, believe Tony Perez. They brought the starting eight players in for the rent. The great I was the emcee for the better. So I made the comment ladies and the most overrated group of players in the history of the game, and everybody's sort of look at me and I said well. Here's the deal in seventy. Those guys right over there got beat by Baltimore, seventy, two. They got beat by Oakland seventy three, they got. A little country boy from Lexington, the team seventy five. They win the world series. He's here in seventy six. They win the world series. They trade him and seventy seven. Don't win again. You do the math. Somebody in the back of the room, hollered the glue. And so I've always. Wanted to do to raise money for military charities so I kinda ran with. It makes them t shirts up some Hoodie and a bottom, and then I sell them now, and all the proceeds go to help hope for the warriors, which is near, and dear to our hearts. Here's my heart, and that though yeah, but people say who thank the glue. Unfortunately, I did. Actually and when you, when you tell the story and to see Johnny Bench kind of quiet. Nodding and kind of doing that is actually it's. It's extraordinary. It's really a ton of fun. I WANNA talk about hope for the warriors in second, but I also Wanna I wanna hit on my other one of my other favorite stories. About you and it was told about you by the late great Gary. Carter and Gary Gary such a class act just a ton of fun to be honest so sad that he's gone, but he he told the story about you. And this is just a small group of US and again we're at a celebrity golf event kind of sitting around having drinks, and it's about you and your rookie year. About you're about to be sent down to the minor spice sparky Anderson, and Gary is catching for the expos at the time, and he actually helped you out. Share quickly that story if you can. All Right Pete rose before the game and I wasn't playing a lot in seventy five and he came, he says. You're starting today at second base. You don't have the game spark. He's probably GONNA. Send you down. You're not getting enough band. Gary played it. We were in Montreal. Gary and I've played against each other in the minor leagues. We were good friends. We're on a couple of star teams together. I got up to bat and I said Gerry I'm going to send me down if I don't have a game with what I said, yeah, he said we can't let that happen and there was to. was on Bass I was hitting. He's at all right breaking volumes at. Sure it up is a breaking ball and I look back at him I said he never told me the tragedy. So w. we gotta help each other. Stay up here. fastball away fastball away I hit a double right bill line, so the next time and say hey, kid. you know if I got to look pretty good he. You have to get this on your own. With parking never said a word to me and. I stayed up the Big League for the next eleven years. It's such a such a great story Let's talk about hope for the warriors. Because you're a big part of you actually got me involved. My wife Terry also involve about fifteen years ago last week. We jeanmarie long from hope for the warriors. On the show, we talked about the thirty for thirty exercise program. My wife Gary's been doing Oliver facebook. Talked about how you got involved with hope for the warriors. You know it started at Camp Lejeune. At a celebrity players tournament, and so was would come in, and we would play. Actually we would compete for money. Play a couple of rounds with the military guys. Play a pro-am then we play it to round competition between all the ex pros. And we were actually you know we get paid to do that and I thought wait a minute. We're here to raise money. For the men and women of the military and I didn't feel real good about it so I started getting together with some of my friends, and said I if I'M GONNA go down there that I'm GonNa. Take money with me and because there were so many wonderful people that run at board BOP, Dickerson and so many others John Copter. Fell in love with not being a military guy myself, but saying you know I got a chance to live a life long dream of being a pro baseball player, because these people are serving our country, and then after the Robin Kelleher who started the program and her staff. If you know I, tell people if you look at this. And you can't get excited about it. There's something wrong with you. I agree and again it's hope for the warriors. Dot Org you can go take a look at it and contribute if you can this is a great organization because the majority of the money goes directly to the warriors, it's not like any of the others that are out there. They really get the money to them and takes care of the PTSD can scare their families if they've been wounded in war. Related! Go ahead. I'll not lying I'm glad you brought that up because. I did a lot of due diligence before I ever got involved, and when they're saying that ninety percent of the money I don't know how they run it on ten percents administrative budget. But they do it and it's expanding its growing, but you're right close to ninety percent of that money is going right back to the military families to help them out. Yeah and I feel great about it. That's for sure. This is TV s present Sport Magazine Radio? I'm John Daly. We're talking to Doug. Flynn is a former major league baseball player for the reds, mets, expos, Rangers and Tigers. He's best known is the glue. We talked about the tournament that we do for for hope for the warriors talk also about another one because you're involved in what I would call it the longest running celebrity golf tournament in the US. It's called the. Charity of the BLUEGRASS. It is a great event. It happens every June. Is it going to happen this year? Data. You're probably wondering why you didn't get an invitation and it's because we had to cancel. The first time that we've ever had to do it. This was our fortieth year coming up. Our goal was a marks to a million we had already. had pledges a near close to eight hundred and something thousand dollars. We were on our way to a banner year to help all these children's charity, but you know it works because we bring in celebrities like yourself that are here for the right reasons. If you come in you just Kinda. Let your hair down. You join him with the music. With the entertainment, the golfing the hanging out there are great steady, and it's worked for a lot of years. Unfortunately, we're not going to do it this year, but next year we've got a full year to work on this bad boy, which like two years actually working on it, our fortieth spectacular. Wow, that's great. And the is their website for the charity for the Children's charity. The Blue Grass. Yeah right? They're killing children's dot. Dot Org okay good we, we've got about. I got about a minute, and a half left I. Want I. WanNa talk about your about your travel. Show that you're doing and you were so helpful to undercover jetsetter. When we came out the Lexington got some great stuff. There talk about show you're doing I think you're doing it on PBS and Kentucky's right. That's right. It's KT Kentucky Education Television, and They asked me I was doing the broadcasting for Kentucky Baseball. They have to host to this show. One did for five years. One was there for fifteen decided to move on Bass me fill in for a week or a month, and I said sure I'd be glad to well. We've just finished five seasons going six season. And you know when I look at guys like you do this so professionally and so good I try to steal from the things. Things that make you also good at it, but I'm clown and my command of the English language is not drink it, so it's just doug playing going around the state of Kentucky doing stories about all the wonderful things. Are wineries You know small stores it I'm loving every minute of it and I can't wait to get back to work when this little mess is over with now. Yeah well. It's good down home fund. You do a great job with that. That's for sure. We've been talking to Doug Flutie's a former major league baseball player for five teams, including the world champion Cincinnati reds checkout. Lexington Kentucky when you get a chance to start traveling again and go watch. Doug Show Doug. Thank you so much for being on the show. We are going to have you on again. Because there's a lot more stuff we can talk about, and I definitely want to talk more about hope for the warriors. Especially, if that tournament's going to be on, we can chitchat about that and get people involved as well so thank you so much, my friend. Day always a pleasure, buddy and I look forward to seeing you very soon. Absolutely! Thanks Doug. All right thanks. You can listen to Sport magazine on Radio on Sports Byline USA DOT COM plus on more than one hundred radio stations across the country on the sports byline, also the SP nation radio now which plus on Sirius Xm channel to eleven. They're still more ahead here on TBS. Present Sport magazine on Radio to watch all TV shows on TV, TV network go to www dot. Watcher TV can also catch my show that I co host on travel, food, wine and golf. It's called undercover jetsetter you got to do is take a look at it and come with us on some virtual travel. We're GONNA. Be Right back after this break, I'm John. The TVS television network for decades. Your home for Great Sports. TV is back. You can watch six TV. 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I the players renege on any deal fearing their safety and their families safety owners in some fans will criticize the players for not helping America for not giving loyal fans what they need not helping the loyal fans who made them wealthy on the other hand. The players were argued that the owners are. Are Cutting or pro rating salaries, and they're not taking the same medical risks. Some say the owners deal hurts high paid players more as they try to draw a wedge between higher and lower paid players in the union doug mentioned that as well either way. You're gonNA hear a lot of arguments on both sides. Let them talk and for us. A fan listen don't take. Take, sides right away. figure out WHO's really on your side. You may realize neither of them are you may realize the game is just a business for the players. It's just a job we will see. So, what do you think will happen? Let me know at TBS TV network at gmail.com by the way. Here's the answer to our baseball. 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L. I guess I could see if they're hiring over the Tom Petty Factory and Hearst Ville Lord knows. I hope that never come to that. Is, the onion news network. This is Free Talk Live Talk Radio that you control, and you can call in and talk about whatever is on your mind that toll-free numbers, eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three, three, which is night. It's Aria. It's Ian and we are joined tonight by a special guest You may have heard of her. She was recently nominated as the Libertarian Party presidential candidate. It Joe Jorgenson. Are you with us? I am thanks so much for having me? Thanks for coming on the show so I didn't watch the and C zoom meeting fiasco that went on for several days, but ultimately did nominate you president's or presidential candidate so congratulations on that. Yeah so they knew what they were doing. I'm here. Hijo you're on with. Ian here tonight by the way. I'm going to me, too. Yeah, I'm a longtime libertarian. I'm a Harry. Brown Libertarian so when I was brought in. It was during the two thousand. Brown campaign and you were in one, thousand, ninety six as his running mate. Correct right right, so you just missed me. was probably just a little too young at that time, but. The. You're back now. Here's the the presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party and we've been covering the libertarian candidates here on free talk. Live for as long as the show has been around which it started in two, thousand and two. Way We actually started on the same network that Harry Brown had his show on back when he used to do radio show, so we actually used to be Harry's lead in so. A lot of good history with with him, but so tell me real fast here before we get into I know questions from listeners, or or whatever are you more of a Harry Brown Libertarian or Gary Johnson Libertarian? Can I am because hiring growling? Harry clone okay. What were you gonNA say? Yeah, I'm sorry I I. There's two of you. Yes, I, am a Harry Brown clone Carey. Is that he was. A very principled. He followed the platform, and he did not sacrifice liberty at all, and yet he had a very practical message. He explained to the American people y Liberty was in their best interest what they could get from it. Yeah, he really did. An Aria was trying to interject there that she doesn't know who Harry Brown is. I guess she wasn't around or paying attention at that time to the Libertarian Party was definitely not. But yeah, I mean he was in my opinion. He was one of the greatest libertarian communicators that we've ever had a period. He really did a great job of boiling it down to boiling freedom and the liberty position on the issues down to their essence in very short communicable ways. He actually wrote a book on how to address various different issues that people would bring up and address them in a very short manner, so if you like being interviewed by. By the TV or you know whatever news media having short answers important because you know they don't have a lot of time to put you on the air, so if you give short answer as opposed to some long rambling treatise about liberty, you might get a fifteen second answer. You might get fifteen seconds on whereas if you give him a minute and a half or two or three minutes. It's not all going to get into the clip. Yeah and establish. A thirty second answer or fifteen second with Libertarian brushes because they are complicated at sirs to what sound like very simple questions. Well Yeah, and let me mention Harry Brown was a an investment guy, and he was really good. I keep in the seven or eight minute answers that he learned that on the campaign trail. You need to distill it down and let me just mention. A lot of Libertarians knew him knew of him because of his book why freedom doesn't work and he wasn't what it was called. It was. I'm sorry I'm sorry. I'm how to find freedom. I'm sorry. I'm. Excited Yeah, how I found freedom. An unfree world combining other book government doesn't work. That was so yes. Yes and that was just campaign book Manno whose campaign book well because in the VP a debate you know. They had the third party deep The debate I held his book up a couple of times and kind of an inside story here when I was practicing the debate for the. Team for the campaign team, and I held up the book, actually held it up upside down or backwards or something, so what they did was they took two covers and put it on a book, so it didn't matter which way I held it. It would be the right side up, so a lot of people were kind of surprised, because the moderator kind of said well. We're not here to sell books and yet I did it again because I thought that the American people really needed to read why government doesn't work. He's yeah. He's actually quite a few books that those are the two I. I know best for he has. I didn't want to spend the whole time talking about Harry. Brown, but you know since you were his running mate I thought it was appropriate to ask you the question. Because the Libertarian Party for the last three presidential elections in my opinion has really field at some miserably bad candidates. I mean Gary Johnson is a nice man I've met him in person. We've had him here in our studio I. Donald Dislike him personally. He just wasn't you know he couldn't really do a anywhere near as good a job at communicating as as his predecessor. Harry Brown had done. And of course before him, that was Bob Barr, which arguably was even worse than than Gary Johnson so I think that it's nice to see the Libertarian party moving in a more pro freedom direction by nominating you, but let's let's have you answer this question Joe for people that are just tuning in people that are may be listening for the first time tonight. You know you're GONNA. Get this question a lot. Because still even after the twenty years or so I've been doing advocacy and liberty outreach. People still don't know what is a libertarian. A libertarian is someone who wants to live a peaceful life who believe in voluntary associations and voluntary actions between people and not. coercive actions David Berg lint. Another Libertarian Legend said you can deal with people one of two ways either corrosion and trying to force them to do something or through voluntary choice. In which way do you want to do it? So with the federal government we have now. They're basically telling us. We'll kind of schools are kids should go to. They're telling us. Where are charity? Dollars should go there. Telling this kind of healthcare, we should have whereas libertarian world. You would be allowed to keep your money. Money and to make your own choices instead of letting the you know people government, Donald Trump and Nancy Pelosi make those choices for you know I'd like to point out yet and something. That's really important is we believe in individual liberty, but we also believe in the individual responsibility that goes along with that. You can't have the freedom without the responsibility without the accountability and what we have right now is no accountability in government and many individuals don't have accountability because of what the governments you know how they're running things. Okay, not you. You mentioned that libertarianism about living is about living in peace and without coercion. What role does the government play in a libertarian world? Well? Ideally the Libertarian Party says we would have police courts in military, so the basics of government to just create safety that anything beyond that should be an individual's choice, so if you want your child to go to a school with religion fine. If you want your child to go to school without religion, find that should be your choice. You'll be able to. To choose the kind of doctor whether we're talking to medical doctor or somebody, who's an alternative health care person that we need to get rid of the one-size-fits-all licensing for doctors, and really the one-size-fits-all for everything, whether it's religion education of the stores everything. Is it true you're a doctor? I think I heard that at some point Oh. Yes, I have A. In industrial organizational psychology, so some people would say it's not a real doctor. But I can assure you. I understand the scientific method very well great. Cool and I also teach it. Excellent. Yeah, so I mean you you know you ran for vice president in one, thousand, nine, hundred sixty, and now here we are in the year two, thousand or you doing doctorate. Doctor kind of work for the last twenty or so years so what you've been. I actually didn't begin the program until Nineteen Ninety Eight. I received my doctoral degree in two thousand two yet during the VP campaign I got admit I'm nerdy libertarian like everybody else I had a A. Job In the computer industry I owned a software duplication firm and I could tell that that was going the way of the Buggy whip because the Internet was coming around and I got my Undergrad degree in psychology and I was always really interested in behavior. You know why people do what they do. And I was in my forties and I said you know what I'm going to go back and get that. Wanted to get and thankfully I got before the government flooded the market with all of their loan money, which meant that tuition skyrocketed you know my heart goes out to people who have to pay for college education now, because after what the federal government did to it. It's really hard to afford Joe hold. That thought. We're GONNA. Come back, You can stick with us. Ok thinks this is free. Talk Live, and we'll be back in just a moment. With president candidate Joe's Georgia's set on has launched a trading platform at local DOT BITCOIN DOT com allowing you to buy or sell bitcoin cash via dozens of payment methods like pay pal then Mo Bank, deposit, remittances or meeting in person with cash, there are no requirements to sign up for and use the site, and all communications between buyers and sellers are encrypted finally global trading platform that respects your privacy visit local dot. DOT BITCOIN DOT COM to get started trading bitcoin cash local DOT bitcoin dot com this Kobe. 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Yes the Libertarian idea of police courts and military is a much smaller version and one of the problems right now that we have is how the federal government intrudes on the local jurisdictions, so if you think about crime that's more of a local issue and when I talk about crime, I mean real crimes were there is a victim so somebody breaks into a house or somebody assault somebody. That's a real crime you know we're not talking drugs and sex work, and and others were. There's not a real crime, but if you talk about breaking into people's houses, there's no reason why the federal. Federal government needs to get involved in that and what we have right now is we have the federal government basically militarizing the local jurisdictions. They're giving them military equipment. They're giving them training. They're giving the money and then creating these joint task force in which you know a local If you look at a local town, they would probably never on their own. Take their tax dollars and say yeah. Let's let's raise taxes. We can buy a tank or legs raise taxes. We can buy some of this equipment. They only get it because people give their money to the federal government and. The federal government says hey. Do you want some of your money back? And they say yeah sure. It. Police want demilitarized equipment sure. How do you Kerr tell that? Well I would suggest that the type of police officer which serves and protects. Not Interested in having a war with its citizens The police officer who wants to do an honest job of helping people who have been victimized by burglars really aren't interested in waging war that basically we've got a new mindset, because the federal government has militarized the local forces. Okay, but how do you change that? Well, if I were President, the first thing would do is I would stop stop giving them things I would stop giving the money to do it I would get rid of all joint task force. Forces I would legalize drugs so that we would get a rid of the reason for no knock laws. If you look at these horrific, no knock laws in which innocent people are killed in the middle of the night for having done nothing at all, except maybe living in a house that the police got the wrong address to you know the the only reason have no knock laws. Laws as basically you're trying to find contraband in other words, something that is not hurting anyone so if we were to legalize drugs and we don't have to worry about people being intruded in the middle of the night by either somebody dressed in some like super military outfit or plain clothes. You know that's part of the problem. And I believe that was the case in the recent Kentucky. case in which the nine one one was emergency response first responders she had people break into her house. Who looked like? They were criminals because they didn't have police uniforms on? But they were the cops is what you're saying. They were the cops. They were the cops, and they had no business surprising her waken her up in the middle of the night with such an attack. So you mentioned ending the war on drugs I'm just going to assume here that you mean all drugs right? You're including heroin methamphetamine, and all of these other drugs correct. Absolutely because the problem isn't so much, the drugs is the drug prohibition. You know we look at alcohol prohibition in the Nineteen Twenties. we got organized crime because of the prohibition, not from peaceful use of alcohol and what I point out to people is. How often do you hear of a liquor store owner who goes to a local school and Sells Jin on the school playground ourselves, Chin in the halls of the high school. And how many times do you hear somebody breaking into somebody somebody's house because they have a vodka habit to support you don't hear about. About that, because it's legal and I'd like to point out that Oh and I should mention I've got a graduate certificate in Drug Addiction Studies, actually drug and alcohol studies, so I understand that tobacco and alcohol is a lot more dangerous than marijuana. In fact, the old joke goes at the only way you die from marijuana is a bail of it falls on your head. It's true for the police. Break into your house issue. I mean. That's another effective way of dying from it so I agree entirely things like crocodile and other drugs that are entirely products drug worse throughout the world. People can't get the safe legal stuff that they want. So they end up cooking up themselves. They wrote off their flash or you know. The government comes into their house and shoots them well. There is one one minor technicality Joe, and that is that you know as the president. Unfortunately, you can't just. Unilaterally end the war on drugs as much as we might like that to happen, they still probably will have to change some sort of law somewhere, but you could. In theory control the executive branch, so couldn't you basically order the DA essentially? Stand down and do nothing until they get abolished. Yes, you're absolutely right. I can't get rid of the laws. Do you mind if I back up just for? Mentioning again the problem with the illegality Milton Friedman pointed out that if drugs want illegal, we would have never gotten crack cocaine. Asia's economically. That wouldn't make sense. If if regular cocaine were sold like alcohol, it just wouldn't make sense to come up with their purified form. Because economically it would be too expensive so once again. That's you know and and we've seen much more many more problems with the crack cocaine than with regular cocaine so That's just one more example of how it's the prohibition mcnuggets. But crux so what I would do on the first day of offices, I would pardon all non violent drug offenders as well as other people who are convicted of a crime without a victim for instance, sex, work or simple gun ownership. Now that included Ross Albrecht. Yes Russ over Julian, assange Edward Snowden S. all of them and also. I would tell the attorney general. You know what just stopped going after trousers because the minute you lock them up, I'm going to let them out. Now, of course, that's at the federal level I can't do anything exactly at the state level, except out have a bully pulpit, and if I were elected president than that would be a clear mandate that this is what the people want, and so I would urge the states to do the same, and here's the thing about politicians, or they're talking about congressman governors. They really liked the kush jobs, and they know that in order to keep their jobs they have to do with their constituents want their constituents. 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Live Pope Radio that you control, and you can call and talk about whatever is on your mind. If you have questions for Joe Jorgenson Libertarian presidential candidate, give us a call. Eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three three with you tonight. It's Aria it's and as we mentioned. We're joined by Joe. Jorgenson Libertarian presidential candidate. And Ian. You were talking about immigration during the break. Yeah, well, let me let's give Joe's website. I. Don't think we've done that yet. It's J. O. J., twenty twenty DOT com. Isn't that right Joe? Exactly thank you and folks can go there and I imagine. Get some look deeply at the site, but I mentioned. You've got some issues positions in such up there, and what also people find their. Place to donate, we could use your donations to try to spread the word, and unlike the Gary Johnson campaign. We want to spend funds early so that we can get the ball rolling so that we can get other people. Into, the mole into the movement, and so that they can learn about us, and hopefully we can grow exponentially not. Do you accept donations via crypto currencies? You know I've been asked that before. I need to I. Don't know if the FCC allows I. Mean. Put it this way. If there's any way for a campaign to do it I'm sure we would I covering campaigns. In, Texas, they would take donations in deer seaman because they were worth got really because they were worth like ten thousand dollars a piece. You should talk to Darryl W Perry about it Joe I know. He endorsed you at the convention I imagine you're going to be seeing him tomorrow. When you file for office, he when he ran for president, for years ago announced that he was going to be taking crypto currencies and violating FCC campaign law by not reporting it or something like that. They don't want to go to jail. But I'm saying that because I bet he's done the research, so he could probably answer the questions for you about like how you could do it if it's possible I, think it is possible. You just probably have to like collect people's name in you know and their job and such, so let's get to the Libertarian Litmus test issue here that this is the Biggie I think immigration are you for immigration, freedom or you for immigration, bureaucracy and rules and mandates. I wonder where you stand on this. Absolutely. I one open the borders. In fact, three of my grandparents are immigrants right and they came over before we close our borders. People don't realize that we basically had open borders until the nineteen twenties and we didn't have any problem. There wasn't as I understand it. There wasn't even a passport until World War Two. Yes something like that and we have no problem at all. Hardworking people wanted to come to the country and our and forget about the fact that we're helping these people who come to our country, our country becomes more economically vigorous. Our country benefits from emigrants. I totally agree so your four free and open borders correct. Absolutely awesome! Here's another one so during previous campaigns that we're not your campaign the candidates hadn't been very good at about the basics of liberty like the non aggression principle, what is the non aggression principle, and will you be discussing that concept during your campaign and say media, interviews and such? Well I might discuss it with a libertarian. But my goal is to reach non Libertarians or rather to reach American voters, who either never heard of the party or just don't realize they're libertarians yet. I think that we've got all the people in the party. Who Love Liberty for Liberty Sake, and of course I'm one of them. I join the movement in Nineteen, seventy nine, but a lot of the other people out there they need to be explained how liberty is the best answer how it can work practically no, no, I totally agree. I guess my question was. You won't have a problem broaching the subject, though right like you know what the non aggression principle is. Can you just define it for for our audience? While there are many different ways, but I would say that my right to punch. My fist ends within a few inches of your face would be one example. But basically you have the right. To live your life really as long as you don't. You're not aggressing upon somebody else's rights. So essentially that it is immoral to commit aggression. Against others. It's wrong to hitch, yes. Yes? Unless you're. flips. Yeah, yeah, what does t shirts say something like? Don't steal things and don't hit people. I mean the thing is it's preschool level stuff, but unfortunately that's where we're at. With society is we're still trying to help. People remember the things that they learned when they were three years old that you don't be any in fact, if I if I can interrupt, you, said Preschool. Basically we what we have is the federal government is like the third grade bully whose bullying up on us in the preschool and tell you know they're stealing our lunch money, and then they're bribing us with our own lunch money and the spending it want to. Here's another question I think Aria. Somebody suggested this in the chat. I already had in my notes as well. But how do you feel about Secession Joe? That's a that's probably a question. You didn't get asked in Nineteen ninety-six. No secession state what state so let's say New Hampshire. Wanted to say good bye, call it a day just like we did back when the king was in charge new, Hampshire I believe was the first, if not one of the first to declare their independence from from the king, and so if a New Hampshire were to want to declare its independence in. Your administration if if you were elected would you stand in the way of that, or would you give it your support? Yeah well. I I'd like to point out that I live in South Carolina another state. That's. A session. At a later point. But under my administration I. Don't think any state would want to leave, but the thing is, is they? I wouldn't be taking their money and bribing them to do things that I want to do so they get it back I. Mean you look at why states want to leave you know. One of my favorite examples is Elizabeth stole. She basically took money in through. You know through the federal government. She was a transportation secretary in the nineties, and she told the state's Yoshi dangled their money back and said here. You Go if you want your money back if you want. Want your highway funds. You're going to have to raise the drinking age to twenty one and when I was in college, most many states at least where I went to school the drinking age was eighteen and of course I. think if you're old enough to fight and award lose your life, you're. You're old enough to drink a beer, but we would have states who could make that choice, but basically the federal government used extortion so that they all move to twenty one okay Joe I don't want to be the combative one hair, but you didn't ask the question what? Did want to secede presidency. I would have to think about that a little more again. I can't imagine they would want to, but we are the fifty states, and I'm a proud. American I I suppose as a libertarian I would have to allow them to leave them like I said, You I, you know, then you get into kind of the territory of you know. What if Martians land so again? Close associate is pretty unlikely. I guess. Is that what you're saying there? But that says. has happened it has happened. That's true. But it has happened under tyrannical rule, and I would have that, but remember some people want to be under tyrannical rule, so you may actually have like the people of California the people of California may say this Joe. She is just way to freedom loving. We WanNa have tyranny, we WANNA be have all our money stolen from US and given to central, command and control structure and we. The Californians are going to leave this United States bye-bye. You know you're not gonNA rolling tanks. You would. You would say feel sad about it, but you let it go right. Yeah, well, we'll let me say. I have a different feeling towards California than I do. They're not the lift for your dystopic. That's quite the opposite. That's true. Now you're going to the black lives. Matter candlelight vigil tonight. Is that correct? Yes okay. Ka Let's see. Let's talk about that a little bit here. Because obviously this whole situation with the police and the others, riots and things like that in the streets landed into them. I have to ask you real. Quick Joe. do black lives matter. Yes, they do, and I understand the frustration. What a lot of people don't realize is we have we've had institutionalized racism? you up until actually pretty recently. you know a lot of people. We look back at Lowe's parks. Refused to sit in the back of the bus and everybody treated her as a hero. We're going to be back in just a moment. You can get further into that. This is free talk live if you have questions for Dr. Joe Jorgenson. Give us a call. 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You can go there and learn more about her campaign, which is literally just kicking off I mean. I think she got the nomination last weekend, or like the weekend before last, so it's pretty fresh thing and it's exciting to have an actual sounding pretty principled advocate of liberty behind the Libertarian party's presidential nomination, so join I want to thank you for for running and I'm glad to see you got the nomination. The Second Amendment would be a good topic. Because of a previous presidential candidates had vice presidential candidate Libertarian Party. Were Kinda weak on that one. Me a bit milk toast, so Joe, do you think any restrictions on the rights of an individual to bear weapons should be in place at the federal level or even the state level for that matter, but let's focus on the federal level says you're running for president and not governor. Right now there should be no restrictions on the second amendment and I am a proud gun owner and I've owned a for many many years few decades. Are you a member of the BEAR NUKES CAUCUS? What. Is. Right mean if we're talking about the right to bear arms here would that not include the right of individual to own a nuclear west? Somewhat argue it is, it doesn't include that because the those put people in danger simply by existing. What do you think joe? I guess it depends on how dangerous the neighborhood you live in, but I like her answer. We get back to. Mayor possess mayor. Possessions of things typically should not be a crime because there is no victim now of course, if you use it against somebody then absolutely, but no I, you know recently the red flag laws where somebody can basically have their right to own and bear an arm be taken away without a full trial. A is just e, even even with the trial I is, it goes against everything. The Second Amendment stands for. So. Let's talk briefly about the event. You're going to as soon as you hang up with us here. Basically, you're going to park in Manchester believe in North Manchester. It's called. They're having a candler park stark park. They're having a candlelight vigil tonight I went to the black lives. Matter event on Saturday. It was entirely peaceful in Manchester with well over a thousand people at that particular event, and so I think that you know I'm hoping this is also going to be a peaceful event. It will obviously be at at nighttime. It's starting here in just a just a short bit. Of course. It's a candlelight vigils so. So you would expect that There's been some apparently some rumblings on social media about certain people who want to do some sort of property, destruction, or whatever obviously some people think that could be agents provocateur from the police, or who knows maybe some ANTIFA members. So you? You know who knows what this is going to be like. I got to say Kudos to you for being willing to go out. This is definitely not something. that. You will see the mainstream. Republican Democrat candidates going to do the organizers know that they're gonNA have a presidential candidate present and you know. Are they aware and they support that, or are you just going to show up? They probably are not aware, but yet you make a good point. We need to distinguish between the peaceful protesters and the rioters, and oftentimes if you watch these things, the writers are not the peaceful protests. There are people who are hijacking a noble cause for their own good yeah. We could say the same thing about the Boston Tea Party and the American Revolution. Okay, I'm not sure I follow. Checking. Who the the implication is that writing? Bad protesting good and I would say they are two sides of the same coin well, rioting is bad because it usually entails the destruction of private property. And that's what we're seeing happening in cities across the United States and and Joe is. The target that was funding police station in Minneapolis that burn, and that was working with them. Facial recognition software and things like that target was doing that well. Headquarters target in the United States and they've been. They were funding that police station for all into some purpose I highly doubt that that was what motivated those people to break into the target. Because the same crew also destroyed the autozone, the Arby's there was a local liquor store, a local bookstore, local Indian restaurant and a myriad of other places that were literally torched and burned to the ground by these people, so most of it seems fairly indiscriminate to me. What about the Ryan against police stations then if it was just limited to police stations? Yet, so and if and if you watch they relieving with things like TV's. It didn't look like they were going after anything. philosophically bad that they thought it was, they were going after Ofri TV, and now what a free TV has to do with an innocent man being killed is now beyond me, but basically these are opportunists who are hijacking the movement and their detracting from it. Yet about writing and burning down at the police station. Did that detract from the movement or was that justified? Oh I think that any destruction of property is wrong and is far as a police station I again you can go after it lawfully or lawlessly and I prefer to go after it lawfully. That's why I'm running for president. That's why I'm encouraging people to vote, so I would like to have a peaceful revolution done to the ballot box as opposed to using the same force that the government is using against us. What are you going to do this year? Joe Because things, it's always hard for libertarians to get any kind of media attention period That's just a given, but now in this you know Cova craze situation where people have lost their minds over fear surrounding this. Flu cold thing or whatever There's a lot of people who aren't even GonNa be leaving their homes. There may be restrictions on debates and things like that. It's obviously a challenge for to even get into the debates. Are you going to be approaching your campaign differently as a result of this and do you have a plan to try to get into the debates? Oh, of course would love to be in the debates Gary Johnson got to thirteen point six percent, so he got very close, and of course, many of the states are pretty much shut down. So I'm doing a lot of it remotely, but I would like to point out. I've got a much better background than Joe Biden has so at least in this case Joe. Biden is pretty much campaigning from. What looks like his basement looks like the corner of his mates. So you're going out tonight to a public event, which is awesome, exactly so kudos wh, so we're on more equal footing than usual. I would say plus Joe. Biden can't put two sentences together, and I've heard that the the remote zoom conferences. He's tried to have been absolute disasters. Even even Democrats have said that his attempts at having a remote campaign have been just dismal well. I imagine how I show has no video. Clips have heard I imagine learn about roaches from Latte. Kids in the swimming pool stroking her. And I did see one of those video video clips, and it was so it was hysterical. He walks in with this sunglasses. And I think in in the the videotape is kind of Walmart making noises and stuff, and looks kind of like a high school project and I think even at one point he goes. is a time to take my sunglasses off you. Got It the handler kind of like you know high school acting. You know we're. We're doing the first run through the first dress, rehearsal or something Joe. Is there anything that you think we should've asked you about tonight that we didn't? I think maybe a good question is should I vote? Libertarian and my answer is absolutely the question I ask people. Is D want smaller government, or do you want bigger government and? Rarely, say they want bigger government, so my answer is well. If you don't want bigger government than stop voting for it, you're wasting your vote. If you're voting for a Democrat or Republican, because you're just going to get even bigger government and thank to point out that a lot of people voted for trump because they thought he was an outsider, and he would do something different surprise. Yeah, he. surprised. And so even trump who didn't have twenty thirty forty years of political favors to return. Even he couldn't make government smaller, so trump couldn't do it then you can see that it's impossible for any Republican to do it. So if you're one of the many fine Republican voters who truly want smaller government, the only place to go is Libertarian Party. I don't know if I want more Republicans in the Libertarian Party, but When to start somewhere. There's a lot of Democrats who are not happy with. Joe Biden as well. Obviously, the Bernie supporters are going to be looking at options. Clearly, we don't know who the Green Party's GonNa put up yet, but yeah I. Agree with you. Joe Of people care about freedom. There are no other. There's no other choice. Yeah and let me point out. A lot of people think that we are a spoiler elections. Actually we tend to draw just as many people from the Democratic Party as the Republican Party interest elections, but still overwhelmingly it comes from independence or people who typically don't vote Joe I'll look forward to seeing you in the morning I'll be at the State House I hear your filing office. Then have fun at B. 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This is Free Talk Live Talk Radio that you control can call in and talk about whatever is on your mind that toll-free numbers, eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three three, and with you tonight. It's Aria. CONAN's really. So. You're. GonNa here eighth hour, so governors several trump wants to by the way. We asked Conan to stay home for the first hour because we were expecting. To be in the studio, but turned out. That didn't work out. So how's concern? You didn't want me asking the questions like. Are you? A lizard. Judy, really work for what's up. Tell me more maybe if we have her back. You can ask her that weird stuff. As I mentioned out there, I only found out at like six o'clock that it was going to be zoom meeting thing at that point I didn't WanNa Change Your plans. Spur of the moment I figured. I'd probably GONNA. Be Busy Anyway, so. So governors I keep getting sidetracked. Trump wants to invoke the insurrection act team, which would supposedly allow him to put troops in the streets. Yes, and the the thing about posse comitatus. We're told is that you know the military? Yeah, the military isn't allowed to act as a police force in the United States. However, if trump says there's an insurrection, then he's allowed to do that right so basically. They can do anything they want to do as we saw during the COVID crackdown. States across the United States just completely destroyed the economy shutdown people's ability to make a living for themselves and. They shouldn't be able to do that, but they did it anyway. Handle wanted it, and the people are not only did they want it, but the everyone else's let him get away with it, and as far as military in the streets. Guess what? The majority according to this particular poll Breitbart Want it! And it only makes sense I mean look at all the people who want people stay at home. Want wearing masks one of Saints WanNa stay quarantine for another month or two, or wherever however many years what people who wanted the quarantine are the same ones out protesting now and the same ones who were protesting the quarantine are sitting home, shaming the protesters now and want military in the streets to combat the people there, the anti-tribal the people they're against the people out protesting the left. It's tribes fighting each other, and now they're back and forth there. They both want authoritarian rule over each other. they want. They both want to take each other's rights away from them because they think they know best. Yes, and they don't seem to have the self awareness to realize that if the other side loses their rights, then so do they marex like you? Can't you give a little? Give up a little bit, and you never get back the national guard out there marching in the streets now, but if the right to assembly protest had been as aggressive, is the word I would use as these. Protests. The Nation these rights throughout the nation in the national guard bit marching, then from what I'm told by the national. Guard is moved into Manchester New Hampshire for tonight. This is a candlelight vigil supposed to be a candlelight vigil, but there's been some buzz on social media, suggesting that violence may be happening during or after the vigil now whether that has anything to do with the people at the visual is a whole other question, because just because somebody says something on social media doesn't mean it's going to happen in real life, and they could very well be agents that worked for the government. Before trying. To Gin up conflict and destruction, because they want to have the excuse to come in and crack some heads. Keep Your eyes out for piles of bricks around Manchester. That's another room. We're told there's already at least one Palo breaks in Manchester La. Really from the the thirsty something take a pig. No, no, no, I've got a picture of it in Manchester in Manchester. Yes, and by the way that overwhelming. Thirsty. Moose is that it is that there's something I can't remember the animal that over overwhelming majority of folk who want military in the streets. They want National Guard. A smaller percentage. Want the actual military Their weekend warriors, they're they. They're not good military here. Running around with empty magazines and whatnot. They don't know what's up. that's not what I've heard rumor. Has it the national? Guard does not have empty magazines on this particular deployment. But. They have some sort of non lethal rounds in the in those magazines, but they do not have empty magazines. Neither do the people of New Hampshire. That's true, which is why I don't think that that's why. I don't think riots like we've seen in these other places are as likely to happen in Manch or maybe Manchester of new, Hampshire, maybe Never Sheila North Boston. But, but not around here not here, not not in Manchester Manchester at least judging by what happened on Saturday. I was at the black lives. Event on Saturday. It was entirely peaceful. There was there were two arrests, but it wasn't of anyone at the protest. What happened was apparently. There are a couple of douche bags in a truck that drove up or some kind of vehicle that drove up and like flashed a gun, and threatened like brandished a gun in a threatening manner at some of the protesters. I don't know what they said. I didn't read the details on the story, but they those two were arrested. So it was actually the police actually did their job in that particular case, and like you know when after somebody who was threatening violence. Yeah, the thing about New Hampshire is you just don't know which store owners have guns. That's it. Every Home Oh. Don't you see these memes about were coming for the recovering from suburbia next becoming free Here. Are All fabricated. That's people on the right. Who are trying to make no. Not Knowing. I was watching the Unicorn riot channel and they were talking about that Oh. Yeah, they're talking about doing it the protesters. Some of them were talking about what they don't realize, is he? And here's the other one. A. Pig Owners of course. We know if you've ever seen snatch. Don't mess with pig owners because those guys will eat you up. You have the movie the movie. Okay well. I'm yeah I'm talking about pigs consuming that thing leftovers well guess what chickens do to so. Don't come to my house really. Considering I can't shop at tractor supply anymore. Consume an entire body I have forty something chickens. Okay, they'll take care. You have to help them. A little bit. I gotTa Chop up a little bit on like a pig. They'll just go after you. But I I. And narping and I did hear well. I'm letting them know the protesters out there. No, don't come. Don't come Makina Hampshire. suburbia. I'm kind of in the woods I I I understand it. There was an eighteen year old who was arrested in concord for actually trying to rile up. In start some protests interesting, just trying to find anything about conquered, but in Manchester there was nobody or there was no one from the protests was arrested, so they were trying to start. They were trying to rally protesters into what they were inciting riots presumably correct okay. And probably probably starting a pile of bricks as well, yeah, I, I'm optimistic for New Hampshire as far as continuing these protests continue to be nonviolent. I. Wish I could be there tonight. I understand that a lot of people are probably afraid of going to this particular event because of all the hubbub that is surrounding it there are apparently a lot of national guardsmen that have come into town, and you know so. The feds are interested obviously, and what's what's going on here? I understand why people would want to avoid it. I would have if I wasn't here on the show. I would avoid Manchester tonight, but I would. I would be inclined to avoid Manchester night, but I would also go to the candlelit vigil against my own better judgement, and whatever that's. Yeah, I just don't think that there's going to be bullets spraying everywhere the candlelight vigil. It's going to happen I mean anything's possible, but this is New Hampshire. People here. They must know that people have guns right like unless you're like brand new and you just came in here. It's your first day. You have no idea if you've been around New Hampshire for a while. You'RE GONNA start seeing people with guns open carry them regularly. Yeah, in their daily lives, I mean there's not a whole whole lot of open carry that goes on, but it does happen, and it's also not uncommon to see people concealed carrying kind of incidentally reveal it. It right like so not like they were intending to flash their weapon, but like I remember being at a Chinese restaurant like a buffet, and some guys like taken off his jacket, and you could see his his gun then when he did that, there was another guy who was I was in a parking lot. He gets out of his car with a gun in his hand and puts it in his. You know puts in his belt or whatever? That's me by the way. So. You just kind of see those things up here. So if the National Guard is Manchester that would mean Sununu requested them to be there probably is what that means, yeah! Because I mean they don't show up. So. It's not too surprising sex as you said earlier. Michigan is reopening and yet you have just as they do. They do work at the behest of the governor, right? That's correct tyrant in Michigan. This woman that people had NASA protests about talked about terrible she is. She's not as bad as SUNUNU. She just ended their lockdown. He's continued for another two weeks. Maybe we need social media talking about how horrible she is A. And protesting him, it seemed to have been effective in Michigan. Eight hundred protests, four, five, zero, three, seven, three three. This covid nineteen thing has turned the world upside down regardless of what you believe about it. It has changed our lives, but what's not changed is that if you own a business, you need to advertise to reach new customers or clients. Our audience is not the kind of stick their heads in the sand. During a crisis, they are fully engaged and more active than ever. Special advertising packages are available to you to help you not just recover but thrive email. 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Stated that the seven o'clock curfew nationally which was wrong, and that the announcement had happened like way later than it actually happened those watching it through social media APP, and I thought that it was live. And the way that he said it I thought that he was. You know making it, so that was the national curfew, but it wasn't and that was misinformation I feel like in this time. It's incredibly important to say things that are true and I was talking about the DC curfew which begins. Yup exactly so I. WE watched it and it was like I just I just putting the information on the radio and I did and I feel horrible so I wanted to call in and say. That I'm sorry and that that won't happen again. Because when it comes to controversial information, it's so important that accurate and. Correction, but I mean it's very easy to pass along information that you believe as fall somebody and went the president of the United States says something about a national curfew. It's understandable to to assume that he knows what he's talking about didn't use the term national though from what I understand. I didn't watch not US national. He was just talking about. Curfew will be put in place immediately, but he was talking about DC, and obviously he's not a good spokesperson so right and do. Didn't he also say that. The military is being deployed to DC specifically. Yes right, he did so. He's threatened to put the military in the streets in the rest of the country. He says if the if the governor's don't quote, dominate the streets with their police that he will do it by sending in the military with this whole insurance insurrection act that you mentioned. The federal government is essentially threatening to invade state statement. You look at it that way. Because guess what state government, hopefully, at least for the states that I believe in for instance new. Hampshire we'll stand up and say well. You can go screw yourself because. In. Virginia New York. Pennsylvania and Delaware have already turned down requests from. Defense Secretary to send in the National Guard and Cuomo says he's going to say thanks, but no thanks interesting exactly so these are on democratic. Apparently. Well! Regardless of what party they're in. They're standing up against the federal government, and this is what we wanted. This is what our people want. A Democratic president who was threatening it with their stories me different questions. Now. Be for socialism, which I don't fucking on. On, the radio, that's too bad. I was GONNA ask her why she still Massachusetts like. She sounds like she's way too cool. For Massachusetts, only catch the F-BOMB, so did. It's only a skip in a hop and you're up here with with the cool, cats. And she called last night. She said she was from Palmer I got arrested in Palmer shoes. That's wants at the town hall. Throw. Worship found out about the decade ago. We're doing something legitimate for sure according video, yeah! They arrested you while they used to. Hearing came for that, didn't they? Know they've never give arrested someone for recording video in townhall? Okay, now you're just courthouses. and. COURTHOUSE YEAH! All right well as I was talking about some of these governors have already said that you know they've offered National Guard troops and they've turned them down. I don't understand how they're offered. National Guard troops, because don't they have control over the National Guard? The governor's isn't that how that works well, is it the state national guards and the federal national thing so I'm pretty sure you have the reserve, and then you have the national guard right. So individual states I'm aware, have your own national guard, which a silly which are controlled by the governors from what I understand, but there's some sort of federal component involved in that. As well. I miss read. They turned down requests from defense secretary. Mark Asper to offer National Guard troops to help with security in Washington DC. So meaning they wanted, they said secretary wanted the states to send their national guard DC and they said no okay. Okay, which is still good? I guess it could be better. So unfortunately, yeah, I've got this entire article backwards and it's no longer worth discussing. Yeah, that's all right we do have that story Conan. You've got the guy who you were saying was in. Concord got arrested since misspoke. It was Manchester where the event is taking place this evening and I. Think the authorities are not monitoring. You even for thought crime think again today. A nineteen year old was arrested in New Hampshire after his facebook post invited people to protest racism and police brutality by tipping police cars and spraying graffiti authorities, said Daniel bearer on yet is being held on preventative detention painting. His arraignment Tuesday in Manchester Circuit Court on criminal threatening charge. This is dumb as those people you see who rob banks and post with stolen money for self his own book, you idiot. Manchester Post at friends. Only the government can and will access anything you post publicly on facebook. These are the same clowns are walking through The the grocery store licken groceries are trying to. UNARM deodorant when and instagram and the whole thing and thinking nothing's GonNa come back and bite or the ones that eating ice cream, Lickin the ice cream and putting them back on the shelf. It's a whole new generation of I I got I got to get my fifteen minutes. Thing there are idiots in every generation yet, but this is what this is. But. They're trying to highlighted. They had their egos are so huge. They want that fifteen minutes. They want the whole world to know that they're an idiot. Whereas everyone else is just kinda. They're idiots on their own time. I? Don't think that this person was seeking fame. I think this person was of course. I tend to believe the best in people so I think he's probably genuinely seeking the change that he desires, which is police, accountability or whatever I don't know what he wants A. White, kid and New Hampshire I mean what is he got to be? Just, there's plenty to be upset about. Even if he's ten years old, it's understandable to be upset about the police murdering people. Already had your friends arrested by the time you nineteen for various? Arrested by the time I was eighteen. This kid looks like we're whereas Ash Linda community is that? anyways Manchester. Police became aware of the facebook post that encouraged criminal acts and asked people to take examples from rights and other cities on Saturday. According to the Manchester Police. Marmot, a joint investigation led by Manchester Police with the assistance of the New Hampshire State Police Ashland police and the FBI determined at the post originated from a home in Ashland in zero on was the offer of that police so they? 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This is why he got caught right there because he's not with the other nineteen year olds using telegram and instagram. Not Thing is it yeah, really kind of but for totally different purposes? Okay, what does that mean? They're not in it for the privacy. Reason, really amazing. It's more of a decentralized chat platform. And chat groups and things like I wouldn't call a decentralized. True. It's all run on the telegram servers. It's very similar to snapchat accepts snapchat. Everything is temporary well. The group group Schatzer permanent. But. I'd always heard snapchat was the thing like that was the thing where the young people? Okay Tiktok. When I tried. I tried to. I tried Tiktok once and there was a trucker who had pretty good channel. He told some you know some good jokes. Okay, and and where does where does instagram wasn't worth standing in the whole realm of things or do they use that? I E yeah, now they do. It's mostly people posting selfies and pictures of cakes and crap that they made in vacation photos I mean that's where most of these social influencers are as Instagram, so there's your first mistake. Daniel, you shouldn't have been on face face with all the KARENS. They reported you well. He certainly shouldn't have been on the Internet suggesting that people should go out and physically for police cars. And whatever else it was, he was advocating. I have I have no doubt. He's in some group, probably with the words, Dank in it and this is. All they do post memes about this in I'm in a bunch of impact. Those are some of my favorite groups by the way the claiming I don't know if you read this before. My I might have missed you saying it, but I saw one of these headlines about this young man, saying that he said it was a joke. It's not in this report. I'm not sure when the police arrest you for saying. You GotTA Say Trumpet Your. First response is dude. That was a joke. Yeah I mean. It doesn't sound I mean that's not funny. Right like to say, go to tell people to go and cause a riot. That's not like. It's not a funny thing to do. There's no joke there, unless unless like I said he's in these groups that he wakes up in the first fifty post. He sees as nothing but. Riot aftermath and people joking about it, and he's like I could do this. I could I could add to the fun and he starts posting on his own for his own Timeline and Like it sounds like attract him by his public IP addresses. What is sounds like because they tracked him to his house. They didn't just locus say Oh, well, this is this person's facebook account so this is obviously who it is. It sounds like he did at least use a sock puppet account I'm assuming that, but if they had to evolve state police the FBI and And all of that and it wasn't just some COP scrolling through facebook. Say Oh, this kid just posted this. We should go arrest them. It sounds like they had to do a little bit more work than that. Aren't maybe a veep, well, clearly, not pm, but definitely a sock puppet account would be what I would think, so he did at least have that level of sense. But that's not much sense. Do you know if he was charged federally or under State Statutes. Not, clue because there are federal statutes according to what I've found here on the Internet's about inciting riots so there there could have been. This could be federal charges. I'm sure they are looking for the strongest penalties allowed by law, whatever those may nineteen year old kid who unwisely posted something on the Internet meanwhile they're actual people who are actually out there. Burning things down not in New Hampshire that we not yet. No! And hopefully, and hopefully it doesn't come to that, but yeah it. Seems to be likely to come here. New Hampshire apparently. There's a rumor and a photograph that you showed me are of people if somebody posting a photo online claiming to be in Manchester? New Hampshire looking out what appear to be some storefront windows at a place the thirsty Moose. I don't think it's related to the thirsty owl, which is a bar here in keene, but the thirsty Moose bar in Manchester apparently has multiple pallets of bricks sitting out in front of it now. True you know statement or not, or the photo is legit or you know. What's the photo taken six months ago, or was it taken today? It would seem to be relatively easy to verify this. If somebody is in Manchester and knows where this restaurant is, they could go by there. If we can get some ground over there right now, it'd be really nice they are. There's about. About four five pallets and just kind of haphazardly laying out there in the middle of the street. It doesn't look like the way that business construction team would lay him out as in straight in the maybe even stacked on top of each other, these are just kind of laying out there in the middle of the street. Who's delivering these exactly? WHO's paying for it? Maybe George Soros. Who and who is paying to truck people into bus? These protesters in from other states. Because, that's happening as well. Well I didn't when I was in Manchester on Saturday for the black lives matter protests that happen there, obviously. I didn't interview the whole crowd, but I didn't see anybody getting on or off buses. That doesn't mean that didn't happen. I didn't notice that happening. There were certainly some people there from Massachusetts, but it's not hard to get here from Massachusetts. He and this is a great argument for why. We shouldn't have like a UN military when you're actually shipping. Four in soldiers onto foreign soil to enact. Policies, on another another you know, government another country. This is the same thing if you truck in you bus in people from out of state. Of course, they're not going to feel the pain if they if they're burning down someone else's autozone. If it was their own, they might, they might take a step back, but yeah, you bus you bust foreigners in. and. That's that's a good tactic. If you WANNA actually caused destruction like this, you get you get you get the other you get the other team in. It I can't disagree, but I don't like the concept of foreigners and on foreigners well I. Mean I mean it's. Are Of course we're talking about imaginary boundaries, but yes, that is the way people work. Hathaway humans work always. Is always going to be that team versus team mentality and it's I. You know I like competition like a little bit of competition. sometimes to you know to spice life up a little bit. Some people take it way too damn far where they're sitting there flipping cars after the game they lost or won because they're you know. What are these footballers in England where they call themselves the? the will get hooligans. They're out there. I mean they take it way too damn far. We've got some footballers in in this country. You take away too far. We just saw that after the Stanley Cup victory, I don't remember now who won, but somebody one and there were riots and I'm sure there are riots somewhere after every super bowl. It's more of a sports hooliganism problem than anything because that generally doesn't happen in boxing. Even though boxing is a sport, let me. Rephrase that whole. Largely football preeminent Gulf rights. Have you ever seen? The football and hockey both are fairly aggressive sports, so it kind of makes sense. Yeah, but you wouldn't see that. When Tiger Woods are encircle for because I don't pay any attention to golf loses whatever it is that they compete for I don't know any of these sports bar sports ball terms that you're throwing at me. This is all alien to me. Foreign. Golfer I know Tiger Woods so. I know. More about these riots, these protests, eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three, three, eight, five, five, four, fifty, free as. Warning. 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I don't know how long about something big happening tonight in Manchester and we're told the National Guard has is in Manchester in order to respond to whatever may or may not happen I've heard that. From multiple people although thirsty moves is not near start. Park at all star Park which is where the the vigil is supposed to happen is two point two miles from the thirsty. Moose. That is not easy walking distance for your typical. Loser who's going to participate in some sort of violent action? Yeah, for sure well, let's go to the phones. We've got Larry calling from Indiana Larry. You're on free talk. Live just to be clear thirsty. Moose is downtown Manchester and the park is like north. Manchester so wait so we're so this. Is there anything around this parkers? Just trees and stuff I think it's a residential area. I've ever seen it myself. War To want to cause a lot of destruction. Burned down. You know actual storefronts, and all the bricks are probably in the right place. That's correct. Go ahead Larry. They are now using the black people against this. They're using US I mean. It's just A. It's embarrassing to watch when these people get confronted about what they really want. They don't want anything. They're just out there for that so i. just stay that this. The whole thing is phony. And I think there's something to get away from the corona virus sparse that has led us into that thing, but what is in the city about a guys is they are doing good idea. Do a giant transfer of wealth and money from the people that were making it a little bit. They're gonNA, take the rich people gonNA. Take all the money off the table through foreclosures and there's GonNa be a tremendous amount of homeless people who can not make their rent, and it's just the way of getting around a lot of people, so people are definitely going along with it. Colored People. Are So. Childish and I'm calling myself not a fair thing to say have. People I mean. Maybe that's been your experience, but That's not been my experience with. I know you can't say that, but I don't I mean it sounds like. It all sounds like you're something like Chris Cantwell would say right like you're putting. All these people in Group and it's not fair. I mean these are individuals. Some people may be childish, but others are not. Are You childishly a? I don't know. You don't know, are you? Know. The only black person who's not childish by your own definition. I don't know, but anyway here's what happened. At the governor's mentioned. There was some people protests in downtown on the circle right so they marching all the way up to forty sixth street, which is about maybe a five or six miles right when they get there. The one guy that was leading the thing on the bullhorn and everything he went over there may France with the police officers and wanted them to walk with him and They may friends right, so they were probably too tired to do anything at the governor's mansion, but is. Is So stupid. The one thing the asking is what do you want? They don't know what they want. I. Mean you go on protests and you don't even know what you want, and even if they give it to you, you can't receive because like I said on your program before the civil. Rights Act of nineteen sixty four. That's what they always bring up and bring up Martin. Luther King and he's the one that destroyed the black man in America. He destroyed. Our communities are fledgling. Businesses are segregated school at the time. We're moving. Larry let me. Talk. With a few questions being a libertarian. If somebody were to ask me at a protest what I wanted what I be able to give them a quick fifteen to thirty second answer, no, I, you're going to have to read decades of authors. About what I want, and it's going to be worth years to really understand what worldview I have in my head. That I want to see here in reality. Fifteen seconds and the police state peace on earth boom. There you go, that's what I want. They didn't. They didn't have a list. That's the that's the fallacy and I think that they've got. Our downtown boarded up. All our restaurants are. Going to be opening back. Yeah. Go back out to eat. Go back out set out and have a meal, but she's got went through my favorite restaurant tonight. That they're not gonNA open back up and You know what's going to be the long lines at the draft state through. US ANYTHING THEY WANT to sell us. It will be that right there. Lop It up so Americans are and I will say that because you guys are occasions, right? I don't know what that means. You're white. You're white I am not from the caucus region and that. On Application and Ten Percent Jewish. Okay well, you don't understand what I'm talking about so. They're using a black man and you look at Jars Wallow said the blind man is GonNa Destroy America. He's gone now just using. You! Thank you so much for the call. I can't allow this this racist nonsense to continue I mean if you didn't say that you were black, I would've can't talk to your colleagues. Self Hating Black Yeah. But like. I would not allow a person who stated they were white to sit there and say such horrific things about other demographic, but I think I think he what I'm what I'm hearing from Larry. I know he's A. He's a good old boy. He sounds like he's from the country. he sounds like he's working on farm. Apples. I think he is. He's pointing out a particular contingent of of the black population, the people who live in the cities and that's a whole, and it's not just the black city folk. It's the way it's the white folk as well. They all Kinda suck. Well Yeah just kind of why I don't live in the city. The white people are worse in the rural areas. Like this guy. We were talking about earlier. Who Lives in two thousand population and here he's he's got all this time to get on face space more like the trailer parks in Mississippi, I mean if you WANNA see. White Culture or whatever it is at its worst I mean dash trash. That's just where it is right I. Don't want to go back to what he said. Though about people at these protests, not really knowing what they want. I think that was a legitimate point and I would say that. That was sort of palpable. When I was at the Manchester protests, the black lives matter event I think that a lot of the people at these events are rightfully upset because they can see what's wrong, because it's clear and no, they can't see what's wrong. Boston People's heads open. No something is wrong. I don't think they know what it actually is. They just know something doesn't feel well. I think they know that. The police are busting innocent people's heads, open and destroying innocent life so they so they returned the favor by doing the exact same thing to. Do that in Manchester at the protest I'm not talking about rioters I'm talking about the protest. Okay so. I'm thinking about everything I'm seeing on the the the Social Web's right now these days the. World that you live and what? Is Someone's real were. Someone is having their bill. Is a minority of people right? If you have a thousand people, only a small portion of them is likely going to participate in some sort of violent destruction of property. However, they're going to get all the media attention so all the peaceful people who were out protesting. Don't get any attention anymore. Because all these jack balls are lighting things on fire, but. I'm talking about just the protesters. Okay, the ones who want something to change. They know there's something wrong. They know what it is. They know that the police state exists. They know that the police are not their friends, so they know that the police are in these cases the problem, but all they seem to want is justice when you go around like you watch the Unicorn. To actually tear down the system and try something different. They want to fix it, not always sometimes. They do want a different system, but they don't know what they want. They just. I'm only saying this because the Unicorn riot guy when he was there broadcasting from Minneapolis and I think some other places, but initially Minneapolis. He would ask people like what do you want to see after this? What do you want to do? Good question? The Guy who's behind the cameras a calm, but. He was asking a good question, so we've got some interesting answers and meet Oh people don't really know. They don't really know. They haven't thought that far. And those are the people and those are the people who I was talking about. 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When you know when Americans get sick of their crap is seems to be increasingly the case as pointed out largely because you know they've. Been A walk. For, the last several months they. Stir crazy. Yeah, they don't have anything else to do and if they did have a job. That's right. That's what we're in. If they did in fact. Have a job before all this began, and now they don't any longer than what are. They had the lose especially when they've got that day at check that stimulants check, and they probably get unemployment, which is probably making Mo- twice as much as they were before. They before all this began. They. Don't know what they want to do it themselves, except they know something is wrong and they gotta get out there and they gotta fight the man. And at at that includes burning down their their local autozone, which doesn't make any sense but I mean if it makes them feel better well. It doesn't make sense to us because we're. We're capitalists and free markets to the social. Capitalist. A free market. Yeah I I figure whatever kind of organization works for you is fine, if you WANNA be a communist or capitalist, or whatever as long as you're doing it without forcing other people to participate I don't care and burning. Someone's business down is forcing them to participate with your ideal, so you've already crossed the line in a bad way especially as I was trying to explain. They don't see it that way. You're looking at this whole thing from your point of view. You have to step back and understand that they are largely hardcore leftists. They're socialist to them. autozone. Is there it's. Oh and somehow they own it because. They recognize because autozone didn't build autozone. We built autozone, and so they believe that they know these leftist who are burn things down. They believe and I'm not talking about some of the thoughts about the Anti Fa. Guys refused to hear what their worldview actually is. Because you think you understand it. They don't think they own the autozone. They think autozone as part of this mega corporate apparatus that oppresses them. What about the Indian restaurant? They burned down I. Don't know. Because, there was a story in the news into capitalist apparatus so it suppressing them. I don't know if you're not wrong. There are people who think that. The commie that runs the Union rioter sorry Unicorn Riot. Talks about its expropriation instead of stealing looting, it's expropriating the things from the store because they believe they own own in a way well, they don't believe in property. That's the thing so these communists just don't believe in property period. They have a completely different viewpoint than than we do, and that's why we can't live together but. I. Don't think I would go ahead so far as to apply whatever those beliefs are that you're talking about to the people who just want to burn stuff. I don't think that they really I. Mean They may think corporations bad, but they're not really thinking as I. Don't think a lot of them are thinking about it as deeply as you would like to believe that they are. It's just people. People that have the desire to destroy things and steal things, and this is their perfect cover to do that. There's a lot of that out there. Because otherwise they would only target the mega corporations, and they wouldn't go. After the locally owned liquor store, the locally owned Indian food, restaurant or target well. No, that's I. Mean they would go after the target. Burn down the IRS building or they'd be. No, not listening. They would go after the mega corporations. If what Aria was saying, we're true and I'm saying that it's partially true, but not entirely. Restaurant. Making claim to property. Well that's what was interesting about that story. The I don't interact. Very well thought out to be show the I'm telling you. These people don't have and ideology, most a lot of people participating. They just want to destroy things. Okay, they just want to go out there and caused destruction. There are people that WanNa do that now. There are the others of extremely rare. There are others who will throw out this whole. Oh, corporations, bad thing, but then again that still doesn't explain what happened to the Indian restaurant. When you look at the Indian restaurant story there was. It was in Minneapolis over the last few days a few days ago. And it made headlines, not just because it got burned down, but because the owner was like. Self flagellating over it, he he was sort of like welcoming it almost almost as though. Yes, PUNISH ME I. pull up the actual story. It was it was crazy. I had never heard of anything like it with the owner was almost like taking the side of the people burning his own. Strong like Indian guilt. Yeah. I don't know if it was Indian food or Pakistani food whatever was, but it was some sort of like well why you pull that, let's go to the phones. We've got dave calling from new. Hampshire I believe Dave. You're on free talk live. Guys Hey. What's on your mind and he just dropped off. Click the wrong thing. Oh, no I'm sure he'll come back, yeah! So, did you happen to find it already? Yes. India Today. Okay, so your business insiders actually got the story four days ago. The, owner of Minneapolis restaurant damaged by fire during George. Floyd protests says quote. Let my building burn. Justice needs to be served. The gundy Mahal an Indian restaurant in Minneapolis was damaged early Friday morning by fire set during protests against the death of George Floyd owner Ruhan Islam's daughter posted on facebook quote. I'm sitting next to my dad. Watching the news I heard him say on the phone quote. Let my building burn just needs to be served. Put those officers in jail. Hell kind of senses. That has no sense. Sense, unless unless he's got really good insurance on that building Islam said for later according to buzzfeed quote, life is more valuable than anything else. We can rebuild a building, but we cannot give this man back to his family. Still I mean I understand the sentiment that you know what has been done as you know pretty harsh, but I need to sacrifice my building because of George, the Hell Kinda senses that Yeah I. Don't see any logical connection between his building burning, and you know holding the police accountable. Unless. He believes that these protesters got to get it out of their system. They've got to get retribution somehow or another. My building is on the line. Maybe maybe he wanted to retirement. The perfect chance a you know. A little of whole are building insurance and I'm tired of this job and I want to. Florida right? No, no, no, please let it burn. Don't save it. I! WanNa move. I don't WanNa live here anymore, and he'll virtue signal also with all the way out. That's what it is. We've got dave back with a stave. We'll come back. You're on free talk. Live all right. Let's see if I can make this call. Hunger all right so. The. The one of the one of the things that that tends to happen. are used to always say you know based on the Slovenian and Bosnian experience secession can go from zero to sixty in a very short period of time, and though currently right currently the situation is not. He's not really lending itself toward independence of the states. It's just creating sort of creating the groundwork for that and I always wanted to continue keeping track of the abuses of the federal government, in new, Hampshire as a a way of pushing closer to our independence day. And the latest federal abuse of New Hampshire is that they have come after a couple for Irish taxes. They're trying to shake him down for a ten ten million dollars holy crap. Dude that made the federal government so angry at the apparently makes made money. They had money and they didn't give it to them I know, but what specifically did they do to make that money? He ran a business and alarm company. Another way another. Way To help keep you know. Push push down small businesses. Alarm company that sounds like it's not a chain. You know so. That's yet another reason to go after them. If they're not a chain, right and get got to get rid of small businesses and I had made some of these. Ed Brown type arguments. You know that they didn't really have to pay taxes and so forth if you remember Ed Brownie was the tax protester who led the standoff in Plainfield in two thousand seven. Not exactly something a business owner is wise to do. I will point. No, that's that's the weakest ground on which to make your argument. You know the though the law doesn't require meal, because no one. No one knows what the law requires. China argue before them that you know hey. This was never actually ratified. You can't enforce this. They don't care. They're going to do what they want. The important thing is they didn't pay for torture, and so many other people did. They're being punished and probably other people deserve to be punished more than them. Without a doubt. Dave keep us updated on it. Let us know how it shakes out. Eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three three, and hopefully this couple won't actually have to pay that money, but. This covid nineteen thing has turned the world upside down regardless of what you believe about it. It has changed our lives, but what's not changed is that if you own a business, you need to advertise to reach new customers or clients. Our audience is not the kind to stick their heads in the sand. During a crisis, they are fully engaged and more active than ever. Special advertising packages are available to you to help you not just recover but thrive. 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Kinda I'm Kinda bummed because my local station has guy named Dee Dee are on your first hour. Interview with. Libertarian Party presidential candidate showed Yoga said luckily you can head over to freetalklive in about two hours or so and you can catch it there. I'll check that out. I WANNA giving update from Lansing. Add going into downtown Jackson. There's no there's. There's no tanks tearing up the roads anymore. Were they were they tearing them up earlier in the day. No but I rose are so shaky that there is tanks coming down here. It's really gonNA. Hurt the road. They actually they might actually be a benefit package down a little bit. You got a point there and that would be a wise use of taxpayer dollars. I'm so disappointed you guys by the way Alex said. There's a guy named. Nobody there. Nobody's not here tonight. Oh good. But he'll be back. Upsets there is that there are not tanks going down the street says, is that correct? No, Heck Heck. No, in fact, being a united. States Marine you know what from forty two years ago honorably discharged. Who wants to see this and I said to. One of the hosts of The local program here says you know the call in show I say. You know! Why are they picking on some? You know. Why are they burning down a Taylor why they Luton macy's? What is their goal here? Why. Update on the barber in a so Michigan. What's going on? They said shut him down. The state came into a shopping. You know the barber said. Look guys need a haircut. States open. Staying Open. That guys awesome Kudos, so if you were if you were active military today and you were told to. Do whatever it is. The National Guard is doing whatever it is. The police are doing at Harvard. This may escalate. Would you follow the orders that we just say? No, these are American citizens citizen. I won't fire on them. I spoke to a soldier. In Walmart two days ago, that has been deployed here in Jackson. Young Young Kid hell. I'm fifty seven now, but. You know when I swore my oh all. Enemies foreign and domestic. Didn't expect. That at ever have to fight domestic well. It's like going back to the civil war. Brother against brother and this makes me. And a lot of us. It's not so much. The fact that a man died under. A person placing. Duty. Who ever wants to fire on their fellow brother or But this is more factions. This is a lot more faction, so lines are being drawn. So you would find. They're. Not sure if there was an answer there. Well I can try again and. It's clear answer whether or no. Yes. Boy. That's rough man on fortunately unfortunately, and the sad part is is you're pretty common? I mean. The people in the military are probably just like you. They'll do whatever it is. They'll tell their told they'll murder innocent people at the hands of themselves. If they're just ordered to do, I just saw video murder. She wouldn't call it. That's what it is. Ordered by a superior. satirically, please don't say it. Don't say it Dave. Don't. Defense Just following orders. That's what he was about to say. I just saw video of a in Minneapolis. Truce National Guard. Thank you so much for the call national guard marching down the street of residential stream, talking burning neighborhoods where they shoot people and some girls or out videotaping on their porch. Do as I get into house screamed, get into house. They didn't listen fast them by pop-up. He said light them up and he shot one of them right in the leg with some kind of a appellate. And, of course they end of course, they all scampered. It was probably a pepper ball or a rubber bullet. It was smoking green Some kind of green smoke was coming off of it probably a pepper bowl, but I mean the way that he said it though I, mean he was? He sounded like he was ready to kill someone. It was horrible. That's how they they are. You know they're given an order. People non non soldier. Civilians must obey them sheep. I mean. You've got the sheepdogs out there with the pepper pepper guns I. Don't like thinking of people. Sheep died saying youth. How you think of those girls I'm talking about how this. How this uniformed National Guard saw these kids out on their poor digging. You said they. They all had well not like black anti mass. They had their. They had their whole their whole knit masks. That's a good. That's good evidence that they're sheep. Well aware if you're wearing masks at home. On your on your. Front Porch. There you go! You Ain't much of a thinker. Though this? Individuals who are probably not thinking their worldview or their beliefs all the way through, but I still don't want to call them. She put I. Don't WanNa dehumanize people. Well. Our laugh isn't I'm no better than the soldiers who were saying. Why am up because they consider them to be she? Our last caller is cheap either is definitely a portion of the population that we have to be concerned with, but you also have the oath keepers out there, not just necessarily of the group of keepers, but people who actually understand the oath of office that. That they swore and when you start aiming armed weaponry at your own neighbors, yeah, it's sick. It's like you have crossed the line. Man Agreeing look I'm curious I don't like the idea of looking down my nose at somebody like that. If it offends me when Libertarians use terms like normies for instance I don't like that that terminology because I think that it. It suggests that people can't. Change and I think that they can I use attorneys, but not in that sense us as much as I do. Weird and I recognize that but I don't think that you know. I'm going to defend the use of sheep in this particular case, because what about non player, character or non player control mode. Most people don't know about. 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WHO said those bricks have been there for weeks? They are actually there by the city. Of Manchester they're doing brickwork and of course. Course their government brickwork, so it's taking forever, so those those bricks were not delivered with the intention of them being used. That won't stop them from you. Stop them home. Hey, look at that. Yeah, it would be unwise of the city of Manchester to leave them out. Yeah, maybe with a with an tarps over something Manchester or a here's. What forget. Who suggested this earlier today, but the idea would be. Hey, look if the police nowhere pallets of bricks are, and they know that there are going to be potentially people using those bricks, they could survey the bricks and observe who goes and takes the bricks. Well I mean they got. They have to prove their existence some way or another. We gotTA prove that they that job is. Worth got no problem. If the police want to actually stop people from stealing destroying looting murdering killing raping if they want to do that and spend their time doing that, it's fine I. Don't appreciate that they have a monopoly over their services. I don't appreciate that you know they aren't. You know I can't say no to their services, but if they're gonNA, be providing services I'd rather it be they go after actual criminal? You're kind of leaning towards entrapment. No because the police didn't put them there. Of Manchester, put them there for the purposes of actually bricking pavement or right right so it's not entrapment. That's not the same thing. Entrapment is where, and I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding would be. Entrapment would be where the police try to. Persuade you to do a thing that otherwise you might not have done. I. Tend to think so Manchester get your bricks done well. Hopefully they'll fill them bricks. Yeah, go ahead. Hopefully, it doesn't descend into violence anyway. I mean this is just a candlelight vigil. Well, it's nine thirty right now, so it's been an hour and a half since this event started. Will maybe we can check in with somebody in and see if there's an update on how it's going. Also although some were suggesting that the actual trouble wouldn't start until after the vigil was over. When does the Visual End I? Don't know okay. Well, let's go to the phones. We've got Spencer calling from Texas Spencer. You're on free talk live. Hey Yeah I'm from -tective. Hey, what's on your mind? Oh I just. I just wanted to you know give a perspective of into this as a as a white guy who's been. A victim of police brutality here in Texas and I have. I have stared down five barrel. Of Fifteen. By. Held by by local Police Department here when I was looking at my job repairing a boardwalk, I was drilling into by thick planks. and they were hunting fugitives. They got onto the property where I working and next thing I. Know they're all pointed at me. She's got yeah. They got a dog they're. They're been dumping dog. Biting snapping at my year they handcuffed thrown to the ground. Keep in mind at the time I was eighteen years old. lanky white kid with a tool belt on and work boots look nothing like these these fugitive because of fugitives, totally going to like take a break out of running from the police. Put a ten belt on it and. Manual Labor's. Discount actually. Yes, that'd be the way they really blend. So so my my whole point in this and and a lot of friends I live in Texas and I live in a in a rural small town, and a lot of my friends are from the mega crowd, the trump crowd, and they're all about defending everything that the police do and all the authoritarian bs that come fat trump mouth and whatnot. Pardon me. And and my point is. Is that unless you have actually stared down? The barrel of a police are fifteen. Had that dog barking in your ear? Things thrown to the ground and cuffed with the police officer on top of you and wrongly accused the something that she did not do and do not know about what you are trying to piece. We do job and bring home your measly wage. You will never understand the anger and the heartbreak that these people feel so. I'm not saying that throwing bricks through windows is appropriate. I'm not advocating that and I do. Do, think it's wrong, but I think that we use the nation need more emphasis from our heart, and then to try to walk in other people's shoes for a minute before we start calling animals and rioters and looters, and I don't I just. I think it's fair to call a rioter a writer because they are riding, but most of the protesters are not rioters. Most of the protesters are peaceful. People who are legitimately upset and I don't think most I don't even know about most of the writers I think they just WanNa. Go and break some stuff. Very true. True, but you know I've seen people trying to defend what Donald Trump did yesterday in Washington DC where he tear gas well, I guess really embar now he's put the blame on. Have you know Buffet Attorney General to to the tear gas, and and literally main people with rubber bullets and May and beat people back. and I've been trying to defend it now he. Says with Moto Opera. This was so that he could go to church and take a picture of himself. The pastor or the preacher whatever it was Catholic, right? What do they call them? Didn't didn't a priest like speak out against it. I think so yeah. I actually just watched her a Mr Rector. Whatever name? She was just on ABC News with David. Muir. I'm not the biggest fan of, but anyway rector. They dammed killed her. The Yeah? Glad somebody got. Good. Thank you so much for the call. Yeah, beautiful sentiments expressed their. You know we should. We should all have a little more empathy and understanding towards other people in their viewpoints. The brute boom may not be on my neck, but it is on someone's net and that boot that same boot might be on your neck next week well. I think that the reason why we are where we're at with so many people upset and rightfully so. Is Because that boot has not been on someone's neck, but because people have felt the violence of the state more personally now than they ever have because so many family members and friends have been arrested for things like on drugs and other violent things. It's starting to cut close to home for a lot of people. Yeah, so it's understandable that people are upset and I i. don't Condone Violence, but I do understand why. They're angry. So angry. Their violent, eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three, three. This is free talk live. With more people, listening to radio than visit Google facebook or youtube from the very young to the very old, everyone listened to radio pillow. 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Violence as a solution, but the argument that those people make is that well? If enough cops get taken out, then that will dissuade. The police many of them from returning to their jobs or may literally be true, but that's also the same mentality that the cops us when they shoot at protesters. They don't have to kill them all. They just have to kill enough. Protesters disperse, but there's a whole bunch of horse of whole bunch of them to get you know what there's another thing to look at another key to consider when you have some of these cops who are actually standing down and they aren't going at the rioters. They're actually just letting you know. Certain areas get burned because they don't because they're not going to put their their own next on the on the line and and risk it. If enough cops. Refused to go out and confront these guys why I think that the normies out there will say you know what why are we even paying these guys they're not. If you call the your local station and you're like. Hey, look I've there's there's some crap going on out in the middle of the street. Sorry Olive. Our cops are deployed. You'RE GONNA to have to take care of yourself and more and more of those happening that has that's been happening every single day in this country used to just be Detroit. Where stuff like that happened, but now you're starting to see it in other in other places, and it's like I'm sure. Glad I bought a gun this month. Chicago been told not to respond to rioters unless they unless there was a threat to life well, they're also not responding to other calls so I don't know if you're referring to the story. Where there was like some car dealership that Got Jack Twelve, cars, or something like that forget which city it was. All they're all running together. Called the cops and the COPS said Yeah. We're not gonNA. Send anybody. It's Yeah. They are thanks for the money I. What I'm seeing is A return to personally. You know taking charge of your own neighborhoods your own streets. That's what it's GonNa. Be a neighborhood watches. They're gonNA come back and May neighborhood security some guys who actually. Who reports to you and not some guy who you know might sit on your neck next week. Because, he can, because he's just an evil dude. Well, let's go to the phones. We Got Mike Calling from our Washington Mike. You're on free talk live. Hey you guys. I spent the same time that the marine just called in recently I was in the military back then and in Korea there had recently been in this assignation I think like seventy nine or eighty of the president, so everything was really on high alert as you had to be trained to go through moth, the shield, and all that stuff today, also fifty seven I would not want nothing to do with it I would think the national guards role should be basically to go board up windows and L. M. R. E. People that are you know distraught because of civil. Disobedience but I I wouldn't put on a uniform today to save my ass. Honest with you so if you were. Today and the order would be I. wouldn't wouldn't why wouldn't get in trouble and probably just walk? I go to the VA and the police there. You can get upset with a clerk that drives. That's rude to you and they've got a swat team on you so quick and all his belt, and it's just and I. Just thought recently happened or fifty seven year old man, the lost his Daichi. All they had to do is walk down the hall. And have his picture verified and they just poked in pride. Why did you leave your wallet and your cat? Why did you do this? Why do that? He could barely walk when he got there. As Walker been stolen and I mean they just treated them like garbage, socialist medicine, everyone. It's coming to the. Team! And the way it really works as a clerk Dan listening to your song and dance, and they push a code green, and here comes to say a twelve hundred pounds of pork, running down the hallway with their hands on their guns over sixty seven year old gentleman that is just ready to collapse it and I'm just ashamed of all that today. I just worry about who comes in my yard on my front porch and that's all I. WanNa know about. It's just terrible. What's going on and that's all I got to say you guys. That's it's going to hear. Thank you for the call. Thank you contrast to the caller refreshing, yeah! Percentages what percentage of a given squad or platoon, or whatever are going to bay and shoot people in the United States and what percentage will actually say, no, that's this is why they go after the young. Impressionable end the low IQ. Well I WANNA say thank you to RV. Who has tonight's amplifier? 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Right at our location dressed exactly like a national guardsmen. Fully loaded a are six full magazine loaded forty five. The other guardsmen were waved. Down and said they had no idea who he was booked on weapons charges, but could not, they could have been deadly. You. Know this is California. That's why they booked weapons, charges and other places unless he was brandishing the gun. It would have been totally legal like here in New Hampshire. Officer right depends I mean. tweets on doesn't mean you're impersonating an officer. Right? Okay, true well, even grasping Dakhli like the guard, okay? They have like catches or something that identify them. I I would imagine. This guy. He's provocateur. Look it up. It was a surf. Daddy thank you so much for the call. That's fascinating, definitely something for us to look into I I wouldn't I would be surprised based on all of the fake news going around to find out that there is something about a person posing as a national guard, whether or not is true or not. It's the other side. Saying that is true. Who knows anymore man? It's so exhausting. UNLESS, keep going. We got jt calling from Pennsylvania JT. You're on free talk live. Yeah, hi You know try to. Call in about the wildlife they're confused because of the lack of human activity. I've got. Different types of wildlife that I would have. Probably different counties around the now coming in and they're. They're absolutely ignorant to the fact that I'm a human being. You know that wild. So you're saying. Is causing. You Know Wildlife to stumble into. Urban areas or Areas. Correct. That's correct, one hundred percent and They're confused I. Had a pair of I would call him Occidental I've never seen type of duck. Come right on. They wanted to commended human space that I had. And I was I. Finally had shoot them up by snapping my fingers. I probably should just like scare them, so they knew that Cubans were dangerous. Snapping your fingers at themselves like it. Wouldn't have done that any hard like it would just scare them. Strange call. Early. FAIRLY SCARED! Jt thank you so much for the call was worried that animals don't understand that humans are dangerous. Is that what he just said? I, don't know that he's worried about it. He's just sort of observing and pointing out that at least where he lives, it seems to be happening where the lack of people being out, and about like mainstream are gonNA. Come back at three o'clock in the morning. You might want to scare them away what he's saying. He wants to snap his fingers. Well, actually actually. There's been a lot of evidence even around our area where you know you have vacant streets for hour after hour. 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Spur of the moment I figured you'd probably going to be busy anyway so. So governors. I! Keep getting sidetracked. Trump wants to. The Insurrection Act team which would supposedly allow him to put troops in the streets. Yes, and the the thing about possibly comatose. We're told is that you know the the military? Military isn't allowed to act as a police force in the United States. However, if trump says there's an insurrection then he's allowed to do that right so basically. They can do anything they want to do as we saw during the. Crackdown states across the United States just completely destroyed the economy shutdown people's ability to make a living for themselves and. They shouldn't be able to do that, but they did it anyway. Yan Man people wanted it, and the people are not only did they want it, but everyone else's let him get away with it, and as far as military in the streets. Guess what? The majority according to this particular poll Breitbart actually want it. And it only makes sense I mean. Look at all the people who want people staying at home want wearing masks. One of safety want to stay quarantine for another month or two, or wherever however many years what people who wanted the quarantine are the same ones out protesting now and the same ones who were protesting the coronate are sitting home, shaming the protesters now and what military in the streets to combat the people there. There the Anti tribe, the people they're against the people out protesting the left. It's just two tribes, fighting each other announced back and forth there they both want authoritarian rule over each other and they both want to take each other's rights away from them because they think they know best. Yes, and they don't seem to have these self awareness to realize that if the other side loses their rights then so to say Marex. You give. Give up a little bit and you never get in the back. The National Guard may be out there marching the streets now, but if the right to assembly protest had been as aggressive, is the word I would use as these. Protests out the nation, these riots throughout the nation of the National Guard would marching thin from what I'm told by the National Guard is moved into Manchester New Hampshire for tonight. This is a candlelight vigil supposed to be a candlelight vigil, but there's been some buzz on social media, suggesting that violence may be happening during or after the vigil now whether that has anything to do with the people at the visual is a whole other question, because just because somebody says something on social media doesn't mean it's going to happen in real life, and they could very well be agents that worked for the government. For trying. To Gin up conflict and destruction, because they want to have the excuse to come in and crack some heads. Keep Your eyes out for piles of bricks around Manchester. That's another room. We're told there's already at least one pallet breaks in mansion. Really really from the the thirsty something take a pig. No, no, no I've got a picture of it in Manchester Image Chester. Yes, and by the way that overwhelming the thirsty moose is that it is that there's something I can't remember the animal that over overwhelming majority of folk who want military in the streets. They want National Guard. A A smaller percentage. Want the actual military Their their weekend warriors, they're they. They're not good military. Running around with empty magazines and whatnot, they don't know what's up. That's not what I've heard. Rumor has at the National Guard does not have empty magazines on this particular deployment. But They have some sort of non lethal rounds in the in those magazines, but they do not have empty magazines so. Neither do the people of New Hampshire? That's true, which is why I don't think that that's why I. Don't think riots like we've seen in these other places are as likely to happen in Manch or maybe Manchester New Hampshire, maybe Nashua North Boston, but but not around here not here, not not in Manchester Manchester Yeah at least judging by what happened on Saturday I was at the black lives. Matter event on Saturday. It was entirely peaceful. There was there were two arrests, but it wasn't of anyone at the protest. What happened was apparently. There are a couple deuce bags in a truck that drove up or some kind of vehicle that drove up, and like flashed a gun, and threatened like brandished a gun in a threatening manner at some of the protesters I. Don't know what they said. I didn't read the details on the story, but those two were arrested. So, it was actually the police actually did their job in that particular case, and like you know when after somebody who was threatening violent thing about New Hampshire's. You just don't know which store owners have guns. That's it. Ever in a home, Oh, don't you see these memes about were coming for the recovering from suburbia exper- coming for you Here. I mean those are all fabricated. That's people on the right who are trying to make no. Not. Watching the Unicorn, riot channel and they were talking about that. Oh. Yeah, they're talking about doing it the protesters. Some of them were talking about what they don't realize. There's he and here's the other one. A for pig owners. Of course we know if you've ever seen snatch. Don't mascot pig owners because those guys will eat you up. Some of the movie, the movie okay well. I'm talking about at pigs, actually consuming that thing leftovers well guess what chickens do to so. Don't come to my house. And considering I can't shop at tractor supply anymore because they consume an entire body. I had forty something chicken. Okay, they'll take care you. I have to help them a little bit. I gotTa Chop you up a little bit gray non like a pig. They'll just go after. But I and Dr Being and I did hear well. No letting protesters out there. No, don't come. Don't come keen to Hampshire. suburbia. I'm I'm kind of in the woods. I I I understand it. There was an eighteen year old who was arrested in concord for actually trying to rile up. In start some protests. Just just trying to find anything about conquered, but in Manchester there was nobody there was no one from the protest was arrested, so they were trying to start. They were trying to rally protesters into what they were inciting riots presumably correct okay. And probably probably starting a pile of bricks as well. Yeah, I have I'm optimistic for New Hampshire as far as continuing these protests continue to be nonviolent. I wish I could be there tonight. I understand that a lot of people are probably afraid of going to this particular event because of all the hubbub that is surrounding it there are apparently a lot of national guardsmen that have come into town, and you know so. The feds are interested obviously, and what's what's going on here? I understand why people would want to avoid it I would if I wasn't here on the show I would avoid Manchester tonight but I would I would be inclined to avoid Manchester night, but I also go to the candlelit vigil against my own better judgement, and for whatever that's worth. Yeah I. Just don't think that there's going to be bullets spraying everywhere the candlelight vigils. Happen I. Mean Anything's possible, but this is New Hampshire. People here, they must know that people have guns right like unless you're like brand new and you just came in here at your first day. You have no idea if you've been around New Hampshire for a while. You'RE GONNA start seeing people with guns open carry them regularly in their daily lives I mean there's not a whole lot of open. Carry that that goes on, but it does happen, and it's also not uncommon to see people concealed. Concealed, carrying kind of incidentally reveal it right like so not like they were intending to flash their weapon, but like I remember being at a Chinese restaurant like a buffet and some guys like taken off his jacket, and you could see his his gun then when he did that, there was another guy who was I was in a parking lot. He gets out of his car with a gun in his hand and puts it in his. In his belt or whatever by the way? So you just of see those things up here so if the National Guard is Manchester that would mean Sununu requested them to be. There probably is what that means, yeah! Because I mean they they don't show up. So it's not too surprising I su- success. You said earlier. Michigan is reopening and yet you Hasher just. Walk into work at the behest of the governor. That's correct tyrant in Michigan this woman that people had massive protests about and talk talk about how terrible she is. She's not as bad as SUNUNU. She just ended their lockdown. 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We Got Brittany calling from Massachusetts Brittany freetalklive. How's it going? You guys? Hey, what's on your mind? So last night. I called in in the last couple of minutes of the show and I said that the you know trump had basically. Stated that there was a seven o'clock curfew nationally, which was wrong, and that the announcement had happened like way later than it actually happened those watching it through social media. APP and I thought that it was live. And the way that he had it I thought that he was. You know making it, so that was the national curfew, but it wasn't and that was misinformation. I feel like in this time incredibly important to say things that are true and I was talking about the. Curfew which Begins Majesty. Yup exactly and so I. WE watched it and was like did I just I just put information on the radio and I. Did and I feel horrible, so I wanted to call in and say. That I'm sorry and that that won't happen again. Because when it comes to controversial information, it's so important that accurate and took correction, but I mean it's very easy to pass along information that you believe as fall some and win. The president of the United States says something about a national curfew is understandable to to assume that he knows what he's talking didn't use the term national. Though from what I understand watch US national. He was just talking about a curfew will be put in place immediately. He was talking about DC and obviously he's like not a good spokesperson so right, and did he. Didn't he also say that? The military is being deployed to DC specifically. Yes, right, he did so. He's threatened to put the military in the streets in the rest of the country. He says if the governor's don't quote, dominate the streets with their police that he will do it by sending in the military with this whole insurance insurrection act that you mentioned. The federal government is essentially threatening to invade state state government, and you look at it that way. That because guess what state government, hopefully, at least for the states that I believe in for instance New Hampshire. We'll stand up and say well. You can go screw yourself. Virginia New York Pennsylvania and Delaware have already turned down requests from. The defense secretary to send in the National Guard, and and Cuomo says he's going to say thanks, but no thanks interesting exactly so these are all democratic. Apparently. Well regardless of what party they're in. They're standing up against the federal government, and this is what we want. This is what our people want was Democratic president who was threatening it with their stories me different questions. Now Brennan. Could a play for socialism which I don't fucking under Oh my God with. Them on the radio. That's too bad. I was GONNA ask her why she still in Massachusetts like she sounds like she's way too cool. For Massachusetts only catch the f-bomb so glad you did. It's only a skip hop in your up here with the with the cool cats. And she call last night. She said she was from Palmer arrested in Palmer Massachusetts once at the town hall. Birds you found out about a decade ago? Doing something legitimate for sure recording video. They arrested while they used to hearing Cain for that, didn't they know they've never give arrested someone for recording video townhall? Okay, now you're just courthouses. and. Did Hell courthouse yeah. All right well as I was talking about. Some of these governors have already said that you know they've been offered. National Guard troops and they've turned them down I. Don't understand how they're offered national. Guard troops, because don't they have control over the National Guard? The governor's isn't that how that works well, is it? They're at the state, National Guards and the federal national thing so shot. You have the reserve in the National Guard right. So individual states. I'm aware of your own national. Guard which a silly which are controlled by the governors from what I understand, but there's some sort of federal component involved in that. As, well I I. Miss Read. They turned down requests from defense. Secretary Mark Esper- TO OFFER National Guard troops to help with security in Washington DC. So meaning they wanted the secretary wanted the states. Send our national, guard DC and they said no okay. Okay, which is still good? I guess, and it could be better. So. Unfortunately, yeah, I've got this entire article backwards and it's no longer worth discussing. Yeah, that's right We do have that story, Conan. You've got the guy who you were saying was in. Concord got arrested since misspoke. It was Manchester where the event is taking place this evening and if You think the authorities are not monitoring. You even for thought crime again today a nineteen year old was arrested in New Hampshire after his facebook post invited people to protest racism and police brutality by tipping police cars and spraying graffiti authorities said Daniela on yet is being held on preventive detention painting his arraignment. Tuesday, in Manchester, circuit on criminal threatening charge. This is dumb as those people who like Rob Banks and then post with the stolen money for selfies book you idiot. Manchester Post at friends. Only the government can and will access anything you post publicly on facebook. These are the same clowns or walking through The the grocery store lickin groceries are China on Nuremberg Deodorant. When instagram in the whole thing and thinking nothing's GonNa come back and bite them or the ones that eating the ice cream. In the ice cream in putting back on the shelf. This is just it's a whole new generation of I. I got I got to get my fifteen minutes. I don't think. Thing there are idiots and every generation yet, but this is this is. But this is. They're trying to highlight it. They had their egos are so huge. They want that fifteen minutes. They want the whole world to know that their immediate, whereas everyone else is just kind of. They're idiots on their own time. I. Don't think that this person was seeking fame I think this person was of course. I tend to believe the best people so I think he's probably genuinely seeking the change. The he desires, which is police, accountability, or whatever I don't know what he wants a year old white kid in New Hampshire. I mean what is he got to be? Honest there's plenty to be upset about. Even if he's ten years old, it's. To be upset about the police murdering people. Already. Had your friends arrested by the time you're nineteen various? Arrested by the time I was eighteen. This kid looks like We're whereas Ashland. 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US On facebook twitter and INSTAGRAM's. This is pastor. Rick's Daily hope the Audio Broadcast Ministry of Pastor Rick Warren Today we continue with the series called forty days in the word in these lessons. Rick teaches us what it means to not just be hearers of the word, but also doers of the word in just a few moments. We're going to tell you how you can get the DVD study kit of this great series and you can. Can take a sneak peek at this valuable tool by going to pastor Rick Dot Com while you listen to today's message that's pastor, Rick Dot, com or just text the word daily two, eight, hundred, six, hundred, five, thousand four. That's the word daily two, eight, hundred, six, hundred, five, thousand, four right now. Here's Pastor Rick Warren with part. One of a message called seen what God wants me to see. If. You've ever thought this. You know I just never get anything out of the Bible. When I read it, it's just flat out boring. I. Don't get anything out of it. It seems dry I. Don't understand it. It doesn't make sense I. Don't know what the big deal about it is. It seems like a closed book to me. If you've ever felt that way. You picked good week in the gun to church. Because I'm GONNA explain why. The Bible is a closed book to you and how? God wants to open it up and how you can start seeing what God wants you to see. The fact is the Bible is a difficult book. If you don't understand the principle of illumination, that's what we're going to talk about this. Week one. We talked about inspiration. The seven reasons. You know that you can trust God's word that this is not just a human book. It is the actual word of God, it is God's word to us and the seven reasons we know that. Then last week we looked at foundation. The seven reasons God gave his word what he wants to do with it in your life how it makes a difference what the Bible was given for this week. We're going to look at the issue of illumination. Earlier this week I had to go over to Lowe's to buy a new lamp for my study I. Obviously spend a lot of hours reading and studying and I've had this really very strong halogen, lamp. which is extremely bright and makes everything really clear and I loved it, but this last week it just died on me, not the bulbs, but the actual lamp itself so I went over to Lowe's to buy one of these new study lamps, and the only lamps that they had for study were these newfangled ones that only used the new wimpy lightbulbs. You know the ones that are like one third is bright as all the others, the brighter the bulb. The clearer you see isn't that true brightness increases clarity, and that the more light the more you can see. That's why if you want to get a picture taken a portrait made of yourself. You don't WanNa Bright Click light on you because it's going to show every mouth formation every blemish every war, every temple everything in your face. No, you want the less light now. This is true when it comes to God's word, the more light more enlightened your mind, the more illuminated mind. The more. You're going to get out of God's word. It's not just the Bible illumination now. What is it look on your outline? Here's the definition of elimination leading the Holy Spirit show me the meaning of God's word. And how it applies to my life. Illumination is leading the Holy Spirit. Show me the meaning of God's Word and how it applies to my life. Before Jesus went back. To Heaven. He said I'm going back to heaven. After the resurrection but I'm GonNa send my spirit to live with you and live in you, the Holy Spirit and one of the things that the holy skirts job is to do is to illuminate the Bible help. You see things in this book that you would not otherwise see and if you don't have that, you're gonNA miss. A lot on the Bible is kind of like. Christmastime when I bought my grandkids all these gifts, a lot of the gift said batteries not included. Well it toy with the battery. Not included is still a toy, but it doesn't have its full potential. Okay, because you've gotTa have the power to make that little toy run. And God says not only have I given you revelation, but I've given you inspiration. That's the power to interpret to understand to see things that you've never seen before, and this is the Holy Spirit job. Let me show you some versus John Fourteen twenty six. Jesus said. The counselor the holy, Spirit whom the father will send in my name. We'll teach you all things and will remind you of everything. I have said to you. He says he's going to teach you and remind you. What have I said you what this is? The Bible is what got US said to Jesus said to us John Fourteen seventeen. He is the Holy Spirit who leads into ultra it. It is the Holy Spirit that leads you to understand what the truth is in the word of God. John Sixteen fifteen. The spirit will take from what is mine. That's the words of Jesus, and make it known to you. It is the illumination of the revelation. It is God spirit. Saying this is what this means in your mind as you read it. That makes it known to you. If Asians one seventeen I ask the glorious father and God of our. Lord Jesus, Christ. To give you his spirit. That's the Holy Spirit. And the spirit will make you wise. and. Let you understand what it means. To know circle the phrase. Let you understand the Holy Spirit will make you wise and let you understand what it means to know God. This is the batteries included. This is the power part of revelation. What am I saying? See this book right here. It's supernatural, not only in that. It is God's word, but this is the only book you'll ever have where you can talk to the author while you're reading it. You will never read any other book where you can talk to the author while you're reading it. And that's called illumination, and as I read this book, I say no Lord Holy Spirit. What does this mean? What does it mean to me? How can make a difference in my life? How am I supposed to use this today? And the Holy Spirit? Whispers been my year. He puts thoughts. He puts impressions. He opens my eyes. He aluminum bats. He lightened the light. Goes on and go. Oh, that's what that's all about. And you can ask. What did he mean? How does this work? Work look in the next Verse Fusion, Chapter. One verse, Eighteen in one, thousand nine hundred explains it. I pray also that the eyes of your heart. Is In my heart. Yeah, explain that the minute I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened. Illuminated In, order that you may know. The hoped, which is called you. And the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints. And his income terribly great our. For us who believe now I want you to circle the phrase the eyes of your heart. What's he talking about there? When you were born. Physically everything you learn in life comes through the five senses that God gave you when you're born, God gives you five senses here taste touch, mel and feel and everything you experience in your entire life. For as long as you live, you'll experience on earth through the five senses that God gave you hear touch, taste, smell and feel if you don't have those you don't experience anything. Now that's when you're physically born when you're spiritually born again when you are reborn into Gods family when you are saved when you become personally acquainted with God, you develop a relationship with Jesus when you are born again God gives you a second set of census, and you get spiritual ears to hear some things you never heard before. And you get spiritualized Austin you start to see some things about life. You didn't see before and all of a sudden. You feel some things that you didn't feel before. These are the eyes of your heart. The spiritual sense AC-. You actually live in two worlds. There's the spiritual world which we cannot see. God and angels, and all of that, and then there is the physical which we can see now. Actually the spiritual world created the physical world. This virtual world has lasted longer than the physical world. It will outlast the physical world one day. Everything's going to vanish. This building will crumble this couple fall apart table. Will Decay Rust whatever? Physical things don't last. They are temporarily. But God and his angels, and the spirit inside you is going to last forever so actually the spiritual world is more real than the physical world. You just can't see it. Unless God opens your eyes to see things that you would not normally see, that's called illumination now it says I pray the eyes of your heart. That's your spiritual eyes will be enlightened. Circle the word enlightened. That word in Greek, because the word fourteen Zo we get the word photo from it. What is the photo? It is an image of light on a piece of paper or through digitization, it is an image of white and to enlighten means to shine the light on something. And, what it means is when you're reading the Bible all sudden Monday, though the light bulb comes on in your life, go Bam. Whoa I've never seen that before. It's the. Moment you go whoa read that verse. I've never seen that before. That's exactly what I needed. That's exactly what I needed today right now to encourage me to help me to know which way to go, wow! Eureka. I found it I. Get it, yes, I understand it that. Is Elimination. Now. For many of you, that has never happened in your life as you've read the Bible. You just read words Blah. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH And you've never had one of those. Wow. That's exactly what I needed. I needed that from the Bible. Wow, I always wanted to know what the answer was, and now I know that's illuminate. That's when the batteries are included. And you read the revelation, and the spirit does the illumination and you go get it. Some of you. That's happened in frequently. where it's happened every once in awhile, I'm going to teach you. Today how to make this a regular part of your daily Bible reading. So that more than just rent on a piece of paper, you're going to read the Bible and it's GonNa. Come alive and go. Oh, that is good. That is wonderful and I never saw before I needed it and. It's God speaking directly to me. When that happens, your spiritual eyes are opened, and that's called illumination now what actually happens? When God opens my spiritual eyes? I want to spend the majority of today's message on that and I'm GonNa. Tell you four stories from the Bible that illustrate this, and then at the end I'm just going to very quickly in about five minutes. Give you the five ways to. Do this in your life, but let's look first at the benefits because when God begins to eliminate your mind, and you learn how to cooperate with the Holy Spirit all of a sudden. They're all kinds of really cool benefits in your life. You'RE GONNA. Want these you might run them down number one I when God opens by Spiritual Eyes when I see feigns as he wants me to see them I. See the solution to my problem. That's the first thing that happens I see the solution to my problem. Now the story we're going to look at is in Genesis Chapter Twenty one. You might write genesis twenty one. It's the story of Sarah and Abraham. And Hagar and their sons Isaac and Ishmael. Now, you know this story that God promised Abraham that he would be the father of a great nation, the nation of Israel and that God would give him a son to be the heir to this great nation. At, Ninety years of age, Abraham still doesn't have a son. This is a problem. And Ram goes. This is a problem and Sarah said you're not kidding. It's a problem. It's big problem, so Sarah comes up with plan B. And Sarah says Abraham. Look I'm too old to have a baby. God's promise to give us. Why don't you do this? Why don't you take my assistant? My Handmaiden Hagar and she'll be a surrogate mother and you have a baby through her. Abram great idea. Great, idea Sarah, and so Hagar gets pregnant. With Abraham Shop. This is not God's plan. This is Sara's plan. But, the little baby is born, and he's a beautiful little baby, and they name him. ISHMAIL and Ishmael begins to grow up and Abraham holds up Ishmael before God and says God you have given me the promised boy. And Guys Oh. That's not my plan that Sarah's plan. He now I love you bill and he's a good kid, and I'm going to make him a great nation to, but he's not the promised miracle boy. Later, by Miracle, Sarah does get pregnant, and she has a little boy named Isaac who becomes the father of the Jewish nation by the way ISH meal becomes the father of the Arab nations. Ishmael is the father of all the Arab nations today. Now Sarah gets upset and she starts getting jealous and she's thinking ish meals a little bit older. He's the first born. He's probably going to get the inheritance. Abraham's go to favor him, and she gets jealous, and she kicks out Hagar and her young baby son. And he says is around here. You're no longer my assistant. Get Out of here. And she kicks him out into the desert, and we pick the story up in Genesis Chapter Twenty one verse fourteen. It says this. Early the next morning, Abraham took some food and a skin of water. Canteens that have animal skins in those days and gave them to Hagar. And they set them on her shoulders and he. He sent her off with the boy. He's kicking her out of the House. And she went on her own and wandered in the desert. Wandered in the desert of Bear Sheba. And when the water in the canteen was gone. She put the little boy Ishmael under one of the bushes. And she went off and sat down near by about a bow shot away for she thought I cannot watch this little boy die. They're not only starving to death. They're Donna thirst there in the desert. I cannot watch this boy. And as she sat there nearby, she began to SOB. This is a very tragic scene. Of Rejection. Now God heard the little boy crying. And the Angel of God called the Hagar from Heaven and he said to her. What's the matter are? Do not be afraid. Goddess heard this little boy, crying allies their lift up the boy, and take him by the hand for I will make him. into a great nation, and he did all the Arab nations came out of Ishmael. Now we pick up the store in verse nineteen on your outline, and it says there. Then God opened her eyes circle. That phrase God opened her eyes. And she saw a well of water. So, she went, and she filled the skin canteen with water and gave the boy a drink. And as you know. They survived that event and she went on and Ishmael became the follow father of all the Arabs. Here's the point. She. Had the solution right in front of her this well of water, but she couldn't see it until God opened her eyes illuminated. Her mind hoped her. See it from a different perspective. I don't know what problem you're going through right now. But you've got problems in your life. You've got frankly I. don't see any way around this. There's no answer to it. I can't see the solution. I just looked like one after I cannot see the solution. You need to have your mind illuminated. You need the Holy Spirit to enlighten your mind. You need him to open your spiritualize, so you can see the solution in God's word. You're never gonNA. See the solution that you prob on your own. You've tried and I. Don't see how we're going to get out of this one, but you need to see it from God's point of view. And when God opens your eyes, you see the resources that were literally right there in front of you. But you didn't see him. Story number two. The second benefit of having your eyes spiritually open is I see the barrier to my progress. I not only see the solution to my problems, but I see the barrier to my progress. You have some things you've been wanting to do in your life, and you've been wanting to start a business or start a family. Or get out of debt, or you've had some goal or some dream and you've won, and you've been trying to make progress on, but you just keep up against an invisible wall. I don't get it. I'm trying the best I can I'm doing the best I can. I'm not making any progress. You, need, Dab. Your Eyes Open your eyes illuminated now. The story that gives a good example of this is in numbers, chapter twenty two. You might write that down numbers twenty two, and it's the story of a guy named Bela Bela him was a prophet of God. He was a man of God. But falem decided and agreed to help the bad guys and this tit God off. He goes. Wait a minute belan. You're supposed to be my representative and you're going to go help the bad guys. And, so as Falem starts on his journey to go help the bad guys God puts an angel in his pathway and blocks progress. Only bail 'em can't see the angel, and so he know what's going on, but his barrier to his progress was invisible, and he could not see it. So. He's heading off on this journey to go out the bad guys. We pick up the store in verse, twenty two numbers Twain to. God was furious. That bail was going, so he sent the angel of the Lord to stand in the road to block way. Now Bela Donkey actually saw the angel. Standing in the road withdrawn soared in San the dog, he. And the donkey bolted off the road into a field. Out of fear, but BELAN. beat the donkey and turned it back on the road. This funny Belan can't see what's going on, but the Tonky Chan. And he's angels in the Middle Road with a big sort, because I'm not going there in donkey's pretty smart. He goes off into the ditch. belan beats the donkey. He gets angry about the donkeys fault. He can't see what what's out there. So then the second time says then the angel of the Lord stood of the place where the road narrowed. This is the second time the road narrowed between two vineyard wall. Getting very narrow. And the Angel Awards. Now when the donkey saw the angel of the Lord Standing there, it tried to squeeze by the angel. And crashed valence foot against the wall. We always get hurt. When we're trying to do something that God doesn't want us to do. We always get our foot crushed. We always get hurt and bail doesn't see what's going on Belan. Looks at the dog your, why'd you do that? Why'd you run against the wall? Break my leg. And he says he beat the donkey again. He's angry. Third Time then the angel of the Lord moved farther down the road and stood in the place so narrow that the donkey could not even get by. This time when the donkey saw, the angel just lay down under Bela. Smart Donkey. I give up. He just collapses and he gives up in a fit of rage. The Bible says Bela. beat it again with the staff. Now we pick up the story on your outline and Verse Thirty One. Then the Lord opened. Belarus is circle that phrase this loom nation. He opened Belem's is and now bailout saw what the problem was. He saw the angel of the Lord standing in the road with his sword drawn. No Way Jose you're not passing this way. So, what does Bailey do now? Not as ISO, he bows down low, and he falls down faced down and he worships got. Now. That is a very strange, strange strange story. But here's the point. You have plans in your life, not working out and you try to go this way and you get blocked and you try to go this way and you get blocked. You try to go this way and you get blocked and you're getting mad at everybody else. You're mad at your wife. Your manager husband. You're beating your donkey. You're taking out on your your kids. You're talking about your your boss behind his back and on and on and on and you're mad at everybody because you can't see what the real problem is God is blocking that issue. He is trying to keep you from making a serious mistake. And God's said I'm not GonNa let you go down that road and no matter how much you beat your head against the wall I'm not going to let you go down that road. 'cause I love you too much, and you're going to be stopped by it. This is pastor, Rick Daily Ho-. We're so glad you're with us today. If you'd like to connect with Rick on Facebook, instagram or twitter, just go to pastor. Rick, Dot Com and click on his social media links. Be Back in just a moment to close out our time today, but I is it enough to just love the word and learn the word pastor rick. 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