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Dead People I Have Known - Dunedin Writers and Readers Festival 2019

Dunedin Writers and Readers Festival 2019

55:56 min | 2 years ago

Dead People I Have Known - Dunedin Writers and Readers Festival 2019

"With this broadcast on earth in Dunedin and made with the assistance of New Zealand on the following program contains strong language listener discretion is advised take our FM Dunedin with you wherever you with costs and live streaming of creamer look content download the access Internet radio APP for free from Google play and the Apple App store this program ever written a New Zealand and they set the tone for this lyrical brooding self-portrait shine on nine hundred and sixty four can shells on front lawns Shane's chapters on growing up here stand up among the beast writing about childhood and place I think some of those things about shine but mainly I just think of shine as a dear friend I love shine patting Shane was honest or those qualities evident and dead people I have known it's an amazing book fragile my name is Steve Rooney and May I just remind you to please make sure your cell phones bill during his long reign as the sneering King of New Zealand Rock Music Shane spoke his mind. Shane was the snow it's park off a slide that didn't slide and a creaking roundabout young men with half moustaches fixed cars that set like and Abrasive with lots of Aloe ells on either side of the center of the book which goes quiet when it tells of a Tragic D Arrow and Maryland Kinton and Vicky Murray Brothels Smelt of Stu he writes it was the first to get it's a record of a lifetime and music and the search for ecstasy and a refusal to compromise it's a story very much about Dunedin he claims that I thought to myself Yuck Shayne Carter I have never seen Yuck in my life I thought to myself and that's an immediate clue that we're dealing with some different here someone may be that special someone who might even be thought of as a lifelong misfit off during this next hour that we have to give that there'd be a time a little later on for questions from you lot and after their chain will be available signed copies of his but I wish to take this opportunity to dispute his account and as of the first time that we met leaned wrightson Regis Festival the two thousand nineteen feasible recording that you're about to hear was brought to you with funding from Copyright Licensing New Zealand grant and with the uh-huh Shayne Carter Yuck is mild ooh expresses the kind of fear that Shane long and spied and mini-pee I got to know when he lived in Oregon and he never once belonged there he belongs here the boy from Brockville with this crushes on Virginia aw in two thousand and one was artists and residents in Bangkok in two thousand eighteen and in two thousand nineteen right here right now spur the striking title and the First People About your mom and dad and as as you ride thank you everybody for coming to this Dunedin Writers Festival session sponsored by Graphic Design Company brain-dead with musician and author Shane Card Test Memoir People I've known at the UBS bookstore outside enough for you you will note that he will sign them with his left hand last work fulltime at radio four x one thousand nine hundred eighty four wrote the classic songsheet speeds Nineteen eighty-seven recorded the classic album. I believe the sharing I'd like to ask you about some of these people you have known as stage please give a warm homecoming welcome to proud the need and reason shine cata sort of Orient them the station did people I have known featuring Chan Carter was cheered by steeper neath in presented by brain date enjoy had died fourteen years later I phoned up at the exact moment you got a message that is mom died I wasn't allowed to see him again after that in this book you know about my role and that I turned up at chains door at the exact moment you heard that his dad your mom Dad Jimmy and he struck me when I met him and and I think some of these qualities evident and knew who can you tell me about your dead Jimmy my dad is Mardi man who's adopted by park here people and so the characters were adopted family oh single moms back in the day people who who giving up babies for adoption basically and so he spent the first six in the book to as a Raka a chance a Wandera someone broken and he was born up in Oakland and funny enough is born this house called the house of Bethan any which was half which was a house for what so he's pretty tough that my dad he was a really funny Goi and he's Gene Tool Maine and people in my book including myself got troubles and I really didn't want to write a pr she each or what about you mom tell me about your mom so I'm on mom she was feisty lady she was she was born suffer the various things that can happen to a young kids and those kinds of situations and each she had a pretty tough upbringing and but was it a week or two before she died that you walked past to st the day before she died does and shortcomings are all part of being human and so I I really increase your she had a huge Leonard Cohen yes period didn't she along yeah you got the alcohol gene from Jimmy but you got a spirit from him I think I actually had a buff above jaw already thing I wanted to write compassionately about those people and but also to exceed that you know four walls and weakness answer his wife before he was adopted by the cars brought South I'm funnily enough I actually fled twice right next door to the house with me and grey learn without realizing my father had been I love my dad had troubles as we all as you sort of reading the book and all that kind of thing but my state of the on the northeast Philly she was adopted out when she was very young when she was five and throw about thirteen foster homes and aw sure you right and I remember you telling me at the time and I was really struck by you write about it's being musicians spicy was born to you know you had a civil numerous fallings out with mom because you really sing that one that's coming from a heartfelt place I guess so I guess she knew that she would I guess I knew that she would understand the significance of at year I was struck by seemed to be Sung with uncommon passion and I think in a way it's it's not so much it's just stands up with anything published here really is pretty incredible writing and reaches a crescendo lyricism and and observation Huzzah on both sides of my family year but you dad he was a curious mix as I said in the book he's a curious mix of Sean Lee out his that you're directing as subject is in the original lava almost like a song that you're singing is a tribute to your mom in sleigh right to me after one hundred twenty pages and they go amazing and then I never he from Oh yeah this is pretty heavy and yeah it was the first music I actually could which doesn't sound like music on the radio and that actually felt he is a Shaw Guy told me he said all days shy shy and but he also hit this extrovert side as well my mother was very cleanliness got hold of me then explain seats Utah that was pretty much the first thing you see to me when I phoned up how's it going Shane not good my mom's three years ago she's much day he hit this very shy sort of side but she was a singer as well data's a musician so I was with both incredibly indivisible and I think a lot of this is coming from your child and you write about it with such intensity I think that might have surprised US compassionate needlessly for people doing that and mmg he died quite young he's fifty seven when he died and What are the great things about it is that you're talking about you your mom and dad these other influences that go onto you as a musician you don't talk so much about Oh you know then I studied a minor theft and so forth and you know you talk about which destroyed that yes she had a pride and feistiness to that I really respected and speak about and You should shen which you will not see elsewhere can I just say Steve I also think that that's probably the best writing the book but I give out when I was giving my book to my free do a lot of musical appreciation on the book which is really fantastic but it's really this is a book about who you are as a person and as a musician on those things about well you write about people who don't seem to get featured and the literature on this country won't with my bank and I and year but with the book I think you know what I kind of wanted to do I guess I can talk about this because the book didn't talk to my mother for the last two years life and you the day before daughters down here and I'll we'll pasta house in the world but all like sing with commitment to my all the songs are sung so uh-huh yeah that's what the song personal reason on seeing a seat before in the introduction that I think Shane's writing about his child India and shortly before he died he came out to Oakland to do a video for one of my songs and he went to the House of basically found records theater in a car and period do you remember that she hit her she had issues with depression and all that kind of thing always play Lena con when she got depressed and but I've got problems with validity of it because it's way movilla than a lot of real jobs and I have no idea what I was told you know even as a six year old senior articles that music and go all this really you know carrying some even though I didn't know that would and the most of that and I guess some pretty similar to the true did you know he was fantastic proud of you you saw that actually finally year and you know being an officer so often seen as sort of a non legitimate thing to do the old when you're going to get a real job school that's just been around forever you know and and of course and Y- here's a great friend coordinate righteous character very that is to see walking around and brock fallen I wonder what he was up to and all that Kinda stuff the debt somme was way more than writing about being on a record and some people out here might know one or two of these names I'd like to ask you about a guy who just sounds incredible after naked and what happened to him he he killed himself and a few years ago now and -rageous character actually and I hate to great joy in recounting some of his more outrageous things but he's a beautiful mane and who by during a sort of warts and all kinds of things just kinda show what it's like to be an artist in this country actually and where you come from in the things shape you and what you're actually thinking year so I actually ended up doing Recording a cover version of one of his songs so long Mary marrying on the wedding that came out use and it's almost why not use as Ya and a lot of these people are now did the year I think one of the things about those with a lot of those incidents was the first time I actually looked at them I've looked at them and all that sort of going back and re examine the scene Res- U Whether that sort of gave this song the sort of fire at Scott you know what you're saying I actually don't know probably on supplemental kind of soy but nothing that already conscience talking about that thing about you know featuring sides of life here that you talked about either and I can't think about any brochures about the ban stuff and with the rock and roll stuff off just by that so much it's actually boring to me and you know when I was writing about some of my baynes off on your own and and quantum from the down and duty about me and the down on duty about my brains and just about life in this country you know and era the epic battles that go on there that you never read about and fucking Metro magazine and year so I wanted to give voice to those people but he was a singer in a band here as well he was actually the singer of L. Enemy which was on the ban from Taga Boys High School and we started at college right right right the way that you wrote about that you know plan you know as far as what I was GonNa you know I had no plan for any tire and all those going to ride or anything like that hang on out there like my life and of Lord of the people I grew up with an already getting knowledge that much year another person Carey Hibbitt East with a few good friends of Kyrie have it here he's a great friend of does anyone curious I talk about is kind of suicide note with incredible instruction to his children can you quote that I would see pleased which is pretty page one hundred and thirty two and but that's me was the really interesting stuff I fire preferred writing about the old Loyd Pasta House today like it's nothing quite uncanny that Steve keeps tuning up and my parents keep going so you don't name in the book is a guy who reviewed some kind of chaotic show by Kerry hitter bad down by the crowd the whole you're not that good you know insinuation behind a lot of New Zealand comments about each other account see that many things that actually give a voice to on nice sort of the working class side of life in New Zealand and the struggle was go on and that is actually quite anti the Kiwi Ethos Oregon on funding this country a lot of people don't want you know that whole thing would not sticking heat up for fear Christopher told anyone go to trade show tail and he he took his own life with Mikey what was he like he was a real individual and really cool guy and the while I talk about the way they screwed up but you know there's also little through that as well as and also I don't want to sort of an academic book actually wanted to write an anti academic book and that it was visceral and that really go down into the down on duty you know surreal detail for around about fifty nearly eighty pages afterwards when you're reading that chill and so we really didn't stick and it so I meet carrying through a mutual friend telephone telephone of vintage L. Ski Oh and sauce Royd up for on Mito when I said what do you what do you think of the sex pistols Eder yes the one of the most important bands of the last year and I'm not afraid to be an individual thing that's one thing that comes through my books clue said on my book tour is that there's a lot of people who are unafraid to be original you know and you know because it's easy to feel like an outsider in New Zealand and so it was great to sort of find these other rights outside characters and form a community offers dis permeates the knicks fifty to eighty pages. It's really powerfully Dan what did wine look like shine eighth which is the centerpiece of the book which I referred to before and after you're right about that and what happened in stark which outside that we're actually pot off the coolest person on the entire book is Wayne Elsey and it's lines tragedy so these acts of heroism everyday heroism that either I read Martin wanted to give voice to that too I just want him to be knowledge the lies that they cut me off at the pass and then using someone else told me that he made his nose bleed at gigs at I thought all these actually quite cold is being sucked the things I've never actually seen as being in the neighborhood them so but he out to be a great French Year but I'm e adopt the singer because a started writing lyrics I saw six pistols on TV and then I just started writing do but yes we knew each other since we are twelve eight and we were not fierce band together and I'm actually wrote a subscription on the book had fine volunteer yet attuned up Noise Patrice of top lip and east quite swim the conservative side of having people were really necessary to bring the Cala and also to make you feel this alone in your arms Whose name was Charles Proud whose name was daryl but we wait punk rock names but has he could himself Charles brought after Charley pride the singer and all and yeah that's what he looked like new to incredibly close you're good friends we fill out for a while I think it's free impeach futures and chief nasty and enough wind hit a punk rock name actually but year so we started jamming on the song it was about romy cry for no apparent reason indeed renditions of happy birthday you described as a requiem for Dude I now steve the recreational came that in south I Togo and we did it Acapella and through sausages the audience in phoned toothpaste clerk's about workshops on the Quyen and society and how they're trying to keep us down like a natural frontman you know you went one of these sort of confident unbearable sons of bitches at school now you're quite shy the right about tomato and the way that I do you know on the book you know about growing up in Brockville this is the whole side of life that you never hear about you know he is severely disturbed by Hippie booth and that was one of my we'd little for about two or three years I'd just stop freaking out when people started singing happy birthday and that on the original people and Co people and what year they went off right to be different such straitlaced society the way out and but yeah I found a model I unfortunately a lot of them have died possibly for that reason our dreams of the people who went out on the wild I just think that it has actually been given much voice I kind of think of that mini look labor and read enough New Zealand literature or see Enough New Zealand Films Eddyville Mail informants would wake books we punk rock was and write a song a song about me saw coop mentally deranged aw that's a really fascinating section and that Book Shane Confronts this and he writes quite baldly I am this is also brought in the book it's not something that you can put on and all that you can contrive he'll put on a contrived and year so I started writing these alerts didn't actually have any music so star and he talks about what makes one and what doesn't make one and it's not fame as as some kind of essence when these guys and mom hit a Mike funk she was a singer so yeah so I if performance is actually Acapella at Toko yeah theirself I kind of songs the beginning of allegiant here in the workshop by ballgames of what make you as you describe yourself quite emphatically and the book a Rockstar tease which come through and the music you've made over the years and also undead and your book and I upheld give a practice was in the basement of disappearance place which is one of my favorite sayings in the book actually you so I practice couldn't actually play and his weight on base and he and Year and I kinda right that seek Sean and I kinda knew that it was kind of arrogant to say that but I also believe that you know like so you say what you just this horrible record going on his drumming and bice a song about workshop but the and yeah so the first practice with an Wayne scared I teamed at legitimate musical expression which were incapable of is that right you think that is equality on I rock stars who performed two dozen people and it is a quality workshops because it's the most punk thing I could think about writing and you've got the microphone because mom had wanted higher so that you didn't play Bass in his foot on drums could actually play drums there's me I had a microphone so it's going to be the singer Bar MOMS Mike and we had a free behave and you do have that quality and indeed I'm sort of thinking that you you know you have it all the time you know good skills under the bond man so everyone's got different skills and being a performer right under the table or flee the birthday so yeah I got really scared that they wouldn't get invited to anymore birthday so I tried to bring it under control but I wanNA still here he's a very nice man really right Y- you're into the fiery feud the what say that yeah do you think Neil Finn is a Rockstar is a popular in China here how can pick it up on the stage now talking to you and it's very annoying to be a free to be friends with someone who has that very annoying and to all of a sudden the path behind the MIC and to be able to behavioral say as well you really amazing the major moment of inspiration was Charles Product Upper ranch and celebration and on on a bench heading a hammer toe and and I'm cliff and Lisin program to wreaked her the you in your lot more normal radiate charisma stop that okay but not so convinced a- As a very young kid as you write it in the book somewhat of a crybaby no I was getting punched in the face it's actually just made for Quality I think that's the way with any good perform really the mistake in the charisma United States people have just sort of got there and also sign the book I'm useless shapes the things you know but that's one one of my ears of expertise is one of the things I'm good at you know some people can fix a car you know I can't fix a car or and a Roka that's Moscow and something that I've always been really dedicated to and as I wrote in the book you know this could grow up being beaten up and Brooke phone heavy assist the drone of it's now he's been on it's really reluctant to sing at these sort of complex sensitivity the outrage a story about me and Neil Fund where I write about my various descriptions with Neil Fund and but you know really pissed me off because the thing is I felt like so you've known people who performed a couple of dozen people now are rockstars on conversely there would be people who perform to one hundred thousand people who are not a huge so what happened is that the hero or may probably quite a few people have seen it my Zealand some people haven't and that's why most people had an performing contracts for reform on a special people you know and Josh the rest of my book actually already Typical Scene Station logistic thing to do is just the obvious thing today and but as far as far it's not far he doesn't Care Arctic here either to me this year also a feud started many years ago this programme was first broadcast on Earth Dunedin and made with the assistance of New Zealand on here ah the spells which I'm thinking of when you were drinking and would say shit on stage you talk about the first time that you kicked you came up with a fantastically inspired cure you took ecstasy elsia you laugh at yourself afia but which is good and cringe at yourself Afia bit of course ah that people will talk about to think about it in terms of the dark side which is prevalent it's also true that it's very funny indeed the whole book a lot of the book actually really really funny is heaps of one liners and if it's true that with a title like I think it's the one we you say to somebody in the audience are hope you get run over or thanks to yeah but you stopped doing that what quad on stage after the in between songs anyway this drinking which is you know Black Adieu on several times and it was the same thing we so often things of great importance that in hindsight that is funny and things that you think are really important aw I was really thrilled that you wrote about that because we've talked about it over the years and it's a comedy masterpiece by Iran they you ego gets absorbed and so your ego disappears and because of that all the rationales that you use to justify and yeah totally tune me around and that those feelings of sort of positivity and stuff that g head set right and that seemed to work for thirteen years it's how is that shine why did it work well the book hell I believe with psychedelics and stuff like that what about another friend who kicked a major reduction who is hard core user fee to Gutteridge here is Peter I talked about are you behavior they disappear as well and I read about psychedelics being used and therapy and all that kind of stuff and I can totally see that because it's after Wayne die does that right Jeez Yeah on is very confrontational I thought that was the whole part of drunkenness but it was also the around me and the isn't a milli killer flow around us and I sort of manifested itself visually and so yeah but like I say to me it's a sensitive gag certainly not cps year well it is very you open. The book really was a hilarious but dismal account of taking ecstasy and being invited onstage to accept a lifetime achievement award from Helen Clark five seconds or so the and drinking hardcore and use a as an incredibly profound experience and you know try to censor it was nothing like that a paid thing and how he took psychedelics to read that to get over there and year look extra see for the first time and I was twenty three talk dirt satisfying extremely insular very good Game Bri here yet langguth addiction and damaging yourself that you have your racial else to justify carrying on doing that and then when all of a sudden your ego goes yeah that's yeah well that's the way I see it as fiery feud I sort of sort as this ongoing gig making fun always funny things not you know and you can laugh about and you know this law as well these dot shut and he's really funny stuff and these joy as well so you already wanted to put that after someone informs you that your girlfriend is having an affair with somebody in New York quite memorable really wasn't it yes it was so what did you think was the worst do you think is to somebody's knife I can why I'm going to repeat the man I'll repeat it for you a secret service go I was standing behind this so you all the we ndas wall offense in some way that was the film that he originally felt those feelings to that degree anyway and also the extra took on the information that was around us we'd actually be overwhelmed but and I'll get psychedelic experiences we're completely aware of the molecular a cruel way to find out wasn't it about woman you know this woman came and told me all your friends having an affair the Idaho but basically the basic premise was that we have a supreme sir an editor and L. Brain to stop too much information coming on because of look there's this one of the weirdest and most traumatic nights of my life is a man and year so you think you would deliberately wanting that well I didn't actually deliberately right you know I see that to be funny on this plane was just sort of wrote at my thought Oh that's funny I have to say there and the book details and some and some with Oh my God and realize that the subject of the speech was made that was actually going to have to go up onto the stage and shake your hand and they make a speech to a microphone that's coming on it's really rugged and quite a long but we were in hiding and then all of a sudden Helen Clark gets up on stage and starts making the speech and then about a minute sort of consistently almost proficiently how broken and this here for Mason one day to the world and I think psychedelics gets rid of their editor aid you taken some of that information that is way too much to take get the big switching your thinking into already big light and year so I really believe in that also just the cosmic thing about psychedelics as well I'm feeling that

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5/6/21 - The Mo Egger Show

Mo Egger

2:07:20 hr | 3 months ago

5/6/21 - The Mo Egger Show

"No one covers the bengals. Like espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sports station. Hey what's up how you doing good afternoon. I'm here this is. Espn fifteen thirty. Thank you for joining us a hope. You're having a great thursday great. I said thursday and so happy to be here this is we have like a little of everything. Spray spaced across the show today. I'm looking forward at around. Four hundred twenty. We're gonna chat with former bengals kicker shayne grant who spent last season coaching. Evan mcpherson at florida and has vouched for his guy was instrumental in at least giving the bengals information on evan mcpherson. So i'm looking forward to. That did is he. Is he worth using a fifth round. Pick on shades gonna say yes but why coming up in just about one hour and fifteen minutes. I'm going to throw cold water. All over an idea. That's out there. For the reds. Tony larussa has illustrated a problem that we have to get to a few other thoughts on the ongoing sort of back and forth between john brennan and ucla is more stuff has come out over the last couple of days and i hit a. I reached a revelation. I guess would be the right word. I think we are at an interesting point in the career. Evolution of. Joey votto obviously got injured yesterday. And it's going to some time plus we have to talk about our pool halls and the possible end of his career after getting cut loose by the l. a. angels today. I am going to start by breaking personal rule. I'm going to do something that i never do. I am going to essentially break a promise. But i have a good reason for doing this. The personal rule. That i'm about to break is that i don't tell people who to vote for. I don't now i don't. I don't use my radio show or twitter. Feed to to try to influence things like politics or elections or things like that. But as a general rule i think who you vote for is a private thing. You have your reasons. i have mine. i just. I don't believe in doing that. I don't believe in telling people who to vote for. I'm a big believer in just for the most part leave people alone when it comes to their personal choices. I couldn't care less what other people are eating. What they're drinking what they're wearing and while i do care who wins elections. I don't tell people who to vote for. It's none of my business who you vote for. I don't ask. Don't tell i extend this the sports. Don't tell you to vote for so and soda. Make the all star team not huge in telling people who they should vote for for the hall of fame even when we lose our minds over like when derek jeter didn't get in unanimously or ken griffey. junior didn't get in unanimously. And there's this public which on to find out didn't go along with group think who didn't vote for him. I'm not that interested. If they care to explain the reasons. I'll listen and sometimes those reasons can be fascinating but i don't view it as my prerogative to know. Spent a lot of time on how other people vote. But i'm about to break a rule and hopefully for the only time in my life if you are a cincinnati bengals season ticket holder. The bengals today released the ring of honor ballot which features seventeen former players that the team says has quote played a significant role in the franchise's history and tradition. These seventeen nominees will be featured in the bengals schedule released video and may twelve to celebrate. The i team i ever seventeen game regular season. The two thousand twenty one bengals ring of honor nominees. Two of whom will join. Anthony munoz and paul brown is the first ever bengals ring of honor class. The list of nominees includes ken anderson. Willie anderson jim. Breach james brooks chris collins worth. Isaac curtis corey. Dillon boomer assize and david vulture chad johnson. Tim krumrie dave lapham max. Montoya lamar perish ken. Riley bob frumpy and reggie williams voting for the ring. Vulnerable start later in. May it a run for about a month season ticket members and sweet owners will get an email on how to vote as it gets closer and if you wanna ballot the bengals want you to be a season ticket holder. So there the seventeen names. We've talked about a bengals ring of honor happening or not happening for years. I've complained about not being there for years. I love the fact that they have won because now we can have debates. But i gotta be honest with you. There is no debate here. Look there's names on this list. Who are surefire. Bengals ring of honor inductees. Some of these names. I'm not so sure. I do want this to be sort of exclusive. I'll be honest with you. It's like you know there are people who with the hall of fame. They're either large hall or small hall all people. I kind of think that one of the most fascinating discussions is going to be. Who's the best non ring of honor guy but on this list here. There's obviously some guys that should one day be inducted into the bengals ring of honor but for your first ever class. This is obvious man. come on. It's the two cans ken anderson ken. Riley it's the two cans nothing against anybody on this list. And i know for a lot of maybe younger fans. There's recently bias. I never saw ken riley play. I remember ken. Anderson is channel twelve sports anchor and a coach than i do as a player. But dude come on if we are to have like the are folks who are going to go up to canton in a couple of weeks huge bengals fans to rally to rally around the idea that the bengals as a franchise have been snubbed by pro football hall of fame voters and i think to a large degree. I'm with them. And i think corey dillon has a better hall of fame case than people realize. I think we'll anderson's gonna really good hall of fame case wide receivers kind of hard. And that's that makes it difficult to really talk about chad. You certainly have a conversation about him. But leading that conversation the clearest and most obvious possible bengals hall of famers in the pro football hall of fame would be without question. Ken anderson and ken riley two guys that i would argue are snubs. They should be in. They absolutely should be those. Are the two guys who are closest to nfl immortals. I've heard people say that that mike brown himself believes that ken anderson is the most important bengal of all time not the greatest but the most important bengal of all time the first star they add at the games most important position the first mvp. They had a quarterback who led them to the super bowl a quarterback who helped transform that franchise with a resume. That is pretty damn close to a lot of qb's who are in the hough he's gotta be in your first class. He cast to be in your first class gear. Understand how ignorant it's gonna make us look if they have a ring of honor and other dudes go in before ken anderson illegitimately is gonna make us look like. We have no idea what we're doing here. my guess is ken. Anderson's gonna get in the other cancan riley should. This is also very simple for me. Probably the best defensive back. Who's not in the hall of fame. The most interceptions of anybody who's not in the hall of fame who's eligible for induction a guy who had a marvelously long nfl career with cincinnati. Who was overshadowed at times by lamar perish if the bengals had a ring of honor thirty years ago. Let's say they did this in one thousand nine hundred ninety one instead of two thousand twenty one. Had they done this in one thousand nine hundred. Ninety one ken anderson and ken riley would have gone without question. They would've gone in instantly. There would have been among the first to go in time. And the addition of bengals legends to the franchise's history should not change that ken riley is also no longer with us. It is a shame to a degree that this is happening without him. Getting a chance to enjoy it. And as much as i would love for him to one day get to canton there is there would be something kind of shallow about him. Finally getting inducted into being here for it. And that's gotta make the entire thing bittersweet for his family with ken riley. You're writing wrong and with ken anderson. You're insuring that you don't have to right or wrong because as much as i don't think ken anderson is going anywhere anytime soon. He's older than a lot of the people that are on this list. This is obvious. I implore you. Let's let's not make it seem like we're you know these fans who have no idea what we're doing. Then we think this franchise just began in two thousand five. Let's let's show that we have a remote understanding of the franchise's history and the history of bengals grades relative to the rest of professional. Football is chant gonna go in one day one hundred percent other names on this list willy. Anderson goes in one hundred percent. Boomers is my all time favorite player for my money without question. Corey dillon no-brainer tim. Krumrie no-brainer and. I can go on down the list here but if we're talking about the first couple those are special. Those are unique and on this list. There are no two figures more special and unique than the two cans. I don't tell people how to vote. It's none of my business. I'll tell people how to spend their money. I don't tell people how to spend their time. I don't tell people how to do anything as long as they're not hurting anybody else. Which gives me the right. The cachet if you will to make a personal exemption if you have a vote if you're among those who possess the ability to vote don't screw this up do the right thing wait toll. Whoever else you want in the ring of honor wait till next time whether it's next year or the year after that whenever it is going to be more time for some of these guys. Ken riley's at a time. They should have been done thirty years ago. Ken anderson this should have been done thirty years ago. And if you wanna make a definitive statement as definitive a statement as you can that those are two guys who should have busts in canton. You put them in your first ring of honor class. I am flexible about most things. I'd like to think that as opposed to some people who do what i do for a living i tend to be a little bit more open minded and willing to bend or reshaped my thinking or just blatantly changed my mind. I n change my mind on this. One vote can anderson. Vote ken riley. This is a no brainer. Thank you in advance. Sixteen after three five one. Three seven. Four nine fifteen thirty eight six six seven two three seven seven six and just over one hour. Shayne graham is going to be on this show longtime bengals kicker who kicked for like half the teams in the league. He coached the bengals fifth round. Pick this year evan. Mcpherson coached them in florida. He's gonna talk about him. And i'm looking forward to that coming up at four twenty volt can vote can. This is not hard. Let's make it look like we know what we're doing especially season ticket holders. It's make it look like we know what we're doing. Animal agra fifteen thirty is how you can hit me up on twitter. We'll make fun of tony larussa here in just a bit and i want to remember one of what i think are two moments in the history of great american ballpark. It's somewhat topical today. But i have to figure out who's gonna play first base. I will tell you who it should not be next. It's twenty two minutes. After three o'clock this is espn fifteen thirty tons of good stuff from Shows this week on my website. Espn fifteen thirty dot com slash mon including the guy from bleach report. Who gave the bengals in f for taking jomar chase is rationale explained on my website. Espn fifteen thirty dot com. Twenty two minutes after three o'clock josh is calling from centerville josh know. How are you wonderful. What's going on man. bring it on. Okay i recall a month ago. You would say they were gonna put four in the inaugural year right to those tanking all brown and who's the anthony muna's okay. I went two hundred percent. On the other. Two being anderson riley planned and the two who i believe the best case by that token does that mean i think after those to the next guy and described as for canton. I think i'd be willing. Yes you know. it's it's interesting because we've we've only started now. In fact i'm not even sure. This process is finished. Willy anderson is working with pro football. Focus you know it used to be. We had no way of grading offensive. Linemen like we would say well. He allowed so many sex in a year. it was always easier. It's always been easier to wrap your brain around a quarterback's passing statistics or a wide receivers receiving statistics with offensive lineman. We've we've never really been able to do that. Statistically until you know advanced metrics advanced film study and essentially entire bureaus have been dedicated to grading every player. And i talked about this with paul dana. Junior a couple of months ago willie anderson is working with pro football. Focus to basically get definitive grade. They're going through every single snap that he played and willie has said. He's not necessarily looking for confirmation that he is a hall of famer. He's looking to find out whether he is or not a hall of famer by utilizing tools that were not really around while he was playing. And so i think the results of that are going to be interesting. But if you look at the body of work beyond that it's certainly hall of fame caliber in the discussion and it feels like that. That conversation for the most part really hasn't advanced beyond our immediate area. And i know he's been very outspoken and i know he was on just had to pay never years ago because it was mike and mike Basically pleading and point was if i wasn't on the teams. I was on in the nineties. He's would be end. He's like any other player getting penalized. Because of the team i played for. I tend to agree with that. I tend to agree with that. I unfortunately think that's pretty commonplace and probably a little bit more so for offense lineman and what's to be interesting is like i'm not capable of telling you who stacks up better andrew whitworth vs willie anderson but andrew. Whitworth has had this huge surge in notoriety because of being in los angeles. It doesn't hurt that. He's in a market like that. He's also been a very good team. They've won playoff games. He's played in the super bowl. And i would say his cincinnati. Ron was certainly good enough to put him in the conversation. It feels like the fact that he's had a chance to place playing at a really high level the fact that he's had a chance to play for a really good team over. The last couple of years has taken his case to a place. That willie's never got to and confronts you and you tell me if you think they'll get into the bengals ring of honor sir collins work. Think you'll get in you. Know if you're talking about wide receivers in team history in obviously. Aj is going to be a big part of the conversation. But you know i mean. Chad was better. And you're starting with him. And i think you gotta go. Isaac curtis right but it certainly doesn't hurt that. Chris has had a very public life almost immediately starting after he retired and he had a at a very good career at a very very good career here. But if you're looking at the team's all time leading receivers just in terms of yardage he's behind four other guys and you have to contextualize things because chad and aj played enough a more passer friendly time. He's got four guys in front of him that have more catches. He's got six guys in front of him that have more touchdowns and so you know if you're going to do chris collins worth what are you doing with tj. What are you doing with carl pickens. Nobody liked but had a very very statistically productive career. What do you do with any brown eddie. Brown had not quite as long as chris. Collins worth but is is among the franchise's best in terms of touchdowns. He had an incredible season in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight one. Chris was not as big a part of the offense. But i think if they leave it up to fans. Chris has just lead such a big public life. That i think that's going to help his case aramark. Peter work no only played five years here. Yeah like like so for the sake of comparison. Peter work has a fewer receiving yards than jermaine gresham. Jai on fewer receptions than jermaine. Gresham tony mcgee and giovanni bernard among many many others are james brooks. I will get in you talk about a guy that you wish would have played in this era number. Two in the franchise's his rushing on top of what he did as a pass catcher. He's still owns. I believe if you take if you take away dude like one or two carries if you take guys who had a lot of carries. I believe he's still has the highest yards per attempt of anybody who played running back over. Let's say one hundred. Carry something like that. Yeah absolutely james brooks without a doubt alamar. Free david folder without question one of the one of the best easily one of the best five defensive players. They've ever had makes sense. Thanks josh thanks. Thank you i see. Here's the thing here's the thing about this. Okay it's may today. may sixth draft is basically legal. And i got some baseball stuff. I do want to get to today. We're going to talk about jesse. Winger draft is about a week old. The bengals don't start as for weeks. The season has four months away. And we're having hall of fame debates or ring of honor debates. They're fun funded. Have fun to have until again. You realize i'm telling you please. Let's just let's just make this easy and then down the road we can have all these conversations about who should or shouldn't get in. It's the two cans. What are the reds trying to do this year. Trying to win the world series right. That's that's might seem like a far fetched goal. But that's still extensively what they're trying to do right. They're trying to win the world series this year so given that's the goal can can we quickly this thing. That's out there in terms of who fills in at first base for joey votto. I promise we will do it next on. Espn fifteen thirty espn. Cincinnati bengals play. I could not be an uber. Eats driver because of like i'm swinging by drive thru and i'm picking up and it's in my car and it smells good. I'm not going to be able to resist also places that serve stinky food. I can't put that on my car. And there are some places that serve some some stinky food. I'm not gonna name names by madame yesterday. Sports update is service of kelsey chevrolet of life time power train protection and guaranteed credit approval from their family to yours for life. Kelsey chef dot com reds. Are off today there in cleveland tomorrow to kick off a ten game road trip. I three the ohio cup resumes. Wade miley anzac. Police act in the series opener tomorrow. Reds and indians at seven ten tomorrow evening on seven hundred wwl indians actually playing a day game right now in kansas city there through four cleveland which has won four straight leads. That game one. Nothing the a. Angels of anaheim have released our pools. Who is a significant figure in reds history because of all those years with the cardinals because of how well he did against them and how he authored a moment that i remember vividly twelve years after it happened. We'll get to that coming up in the four o'clock hour the bengals as we talked about before have released the ballot for the inaugural ring of honor. Seventeen players to spots up for grabs. This will be voted on by season ticket. Holders kenny anderson willie anderson. Jim breach james brooks chris collins worth isaac curtis corey. Dillon boomer assize david. Coltart chad johnson. Tim krumrie dave lapham. Monterey lamar paris. Ken riley bob. Trumpy reggie williams. It's interesting no coaches on the list. No sandwich no forrest gregg know marvin lewis but nonetheless three ago They will Launch the voting process later on this month. One college basketball. No congratulations to xavier's nausea marshall. Who's had a good rookie campaign. He assigned a two way deal with the new orleans. Pelicans three years five point three mill with next season's money fully guaranteed there. You go local sports headlines. The big news yesterday reds win in a walk off. Jesse winker the big knock. Great pitching by sonny gray shaky managing by tony larussa for the most part. Really good stuff. Great american ballpark. Joey votto did get hurt. Hit on the hand fractured thumb. And so he's going to miss some time. Can i just throw some cold water all over this somewhat burgeoning idea that's reach certain corners of the internet. Let's not put jesse winker at first base. I know his bat is invaluable to this team. I also know he's never going to be a very good defensive player. Can we not put him at first base. Can we just live with his defense in left field. I mean if you're going to put a bad glove anywhere on the field you put it in left field right. Can we just hold off on that. The idea total win the world series this year right farfetched i get it not likely fine. But that's we're still proceeding as if at least they've got a shot to win the division and if they can do that or find a way to get into the playoffs then everybody's got a shot. They didn't tear apart the club. They they're trying. At least a players are trying to win the world series. This is not a rebuild. Even though they ask what they had last year. And i think they've got a shot to be in contention in the final ten fifteen games of the year. We'll see what happens. We'll see if the front office is going to make the team better around the trade deadline. But that's that's the idea here is to win the world series. So how does taking a guy who has played six thousand four hundred and six innings of professional baseball. All of them in the outfield. How does taking that guy. Moving him to first base jibe with trying to win the world series at some point. We've done this forever. Adam dunn was here and adam dunn was not a good left field right now. I'm going back a very long time. There was always just put him at first base. And it's like you know. Playing first base is not easy. It's not just little league. We're going to put the fat kid somewhat. No that's it actually is kind of tough man. Watch baseball game. The first baseman does a lot of different things does a lot of different things has to turn one. Groundouts into outs or graham balls else has to get over and cover a bag has to initiate double plays has to handle cutoff throws has to hold on. Runners has two teams. Don't bunt anymore. But when they do has to charge make a plan abundant at times. There's there's more to it than just good over to the bag haul your fat rear end over to the bag and take a throw from the second basement like there is more to it and maybe with some training and experience in what is not a pennant race. Jesse winker can do that. But there's already enough dudes that i'm not sure. They are playing where they should be on this team. We don't need take a guy who has played six thousand four hundred and six innings of professional baseball zero of them at first base and put them at that position. Mike moustakas might not have a ton of experience there but he actually has played major league baseball games in as recently as last year. he's actually played major league. Baseball games at first base is going to win a gold glove over there. No but neither was joey votto. Who's not a very good defensive player and hasn't been for a long time and then with mike mushtaq. It's simply a matter of how do you feel about Suarez at shortstop. And are you willing to move sell to the infield to make room for shogo akiyama. Who could could come back as soon as this weekend. Or in the interim give tyler lake when some time in center until chagos ready and then if you wanna play zell at second. Are you want to move india back to third where he's played far more than he's played. Second orgy move. Suarez back to third and put india at short or do you finally relent and put send shortstop. There's lots of different arguments you can make in favor of or in opposition of those things but the dude is played. The most first base is mike moustakas. Frankly nothing you do over. There is going to be good defensively. I'm looking for something. That's not a train wreck. I've watched i you haney who actually played shortstop in the big leagues. Go over and try to play shortstop albeit more difficult position. And that's been almost a disaster. We're gonna take dude who's played sixty four hundred and six innings of professional baseball not at first base and put him at first base. Please i mean legitimately please anything legitimately anything but that this september twenty games left in one thousand games out of first place. It's a team that is in the thick of things. Frankly it's too early in the season to be in the thick of things. It's a team that does harbor some aspirations that go beyond playing out the string and september three games out of first place. I love getting creative. Our buddy jeff. Cars a proponent of this oh man locked on reds no. He's going to have to have you on his podcast. Sixty four hundred. Six games in the outfield zero sixty four hundred six innings in the outfield zero zero zilch. Nothing none at first base. But hey let's put them over there in the middle of a pennant race. Nothing's going to be ideal. Joey votto playing first base. Every single day is probably not ideal. That's not good ourselves. But jesse winker thing doesn't work eighteen away from four o'clock coming up at four twenty today former bengals kicker. Shayne graham coached. Evan mcpherson the next bengals kicker. He's going to talk about him. I'm looking forward to that. And a question or two about some of the reporting that has come out regarding john. Brennan's time at uc plus there is a movement to change a rule in baseball that goes back to basically the origins of the game. We'll get to that as well. But i tony. Larussa forgot a rule. And we're all making fun of him. And benefited the reds. And i'm still enjoying making fun of tony. Larussa points to another problem. I'll tell you what it is next. I told you the reds are playing the indians tomorrow. Night chat rentals here and this is good. This is a somewhat last minute surprise. You know i was not here last. Thursday right was that no. We had the draft. I lost track. I was here thursday. We had a draft show. Chad was not a part of that. And then i think it was the previous thursday. I i wasn't on the air took a day off and we didn't call chat rental joins us during the football and basketball season bearcat journal dot com. I sent the terron shortly before the show. You know we haven't had chat on. There's been some stuff happening with. Uc basketball They've been able to announce players are signed to play for the programmers. Whatever issues continued to percolate between john brannon. Uc so get a hold of chad. Let's see if he'll do what is morally his spot and because he doesn't just wait by the phone he didn't get back to us until literally like three minutes ago so i hope we didn't interrupt anything. No actually everything just got back to normal. Kelly just got home from getting treatment. So we're all good. Things are good. Things are okay. Yeah things are good. i'm i'm glad. I didn't have my phone with me when you texted me when i picked it up it was three forty four and it says. Can you come on the phone. Three forty five. And i was like yeah and not because there's any sort of like late breaking news or anything either. It's just. I wanted to catch up on a couple of things okay. I'm always here for you. I played sixth grade basketball in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight and my coach. Richard wharton made me run suicides. An i vomited. Should that excuse. Some of the things that have come out about what was happening. John brennan was still here now. Now you know what i you know. My favorite part about that is is the whole like. Did you even play sports crowd. Yeah yes i. I played sports. You know what. I did in sports smells. I was a sprinter. We did a lot of do some running we ran. We ran a lot. Some days are harder than others. And yeah but you know what we had. We had a coach A larger man and his favorite expression was. You guys are gonna run until i'm tired. He wasn't running by the way But the guy that had on the wrote the article and in his name escapes us. Andy witchery he hit the nail on the head yesterday. It's not about the sprints to an extent it is it's it's distrust the medical staff. It's it's bisley. It's doesn't it almost come off like weird like paranoia. Now yes it just all read so weird like it. Doesn't there's an insecurity about it. That just doesn't. I don't know if it's if it's you know i've talked a lot about that. The start of the season and the losing In the way it kind of impacted everything but some of this stuff was going on in october. They even lost jet like maybe he knew he knew what was coming as he was trying to get the team. Ready any any any win over the edge. But it's not just you know taking taking it too far with what you make them run. It's it's all the other stuff that that goes around it and for me like you know trying to get people to rat each other out. And who's the snitch. And you guys need to go. that stuff is just. i don't know it just. It just comes off as as paranoid and insecure. That are the two words that i think came to mind for me. The most and paranoid and insecure people should not be leading correct. And it's weird because it we don't know exactly what went on a year ago and how the you know. This stuff didn't come out a year ago. I guess the answer is they were winning to an extent a year ago. And this wasn't something that that was necessarily an issue. And i you know that i just wonder if like the the losing part of it was just what pushed us all over the edge more relevant to the future. Success of the ucla. Basketball program have been what's happened over the first three weeks of west miller's timing you see they have announced the players who have signed i think there is a degree of concern that somewhat share that. There's not a an a lister a guy who looks like he could step in and be their best player by far a guy who looks like he has the profile of potentially being an all league. I think there are some who feel at least a little bit. Let down by what. They've brought in understanding that there were a lot of roster spots to fill understanding that those players still may have value. But i think there's a sense that some have that what was has done so far from a player. Personnel standpoint is underwhelming. What would you say to that. Well you had to stabilize the roster first and foremost so you got a couple of guys. I think i think the one guy. That's being unfairly treated and all this. John newman john. Newman's not a unc g transfer. He's a clemson transfer that had successive wins. And pretty high level of success as i two years and then played their knee injury. Three i if the kids get enough to do it in the acc. I'm guessing he's going to be good enough to do in. The ac just a just a hunch on what we've seen in transfers in the past guys have come from power programs have been very very good in this league. You know so. I think he's being treated a little unfairly because he had committed to go back home. And play for west miller He's been kind of labeled as a unc g transfer. That's not the case. And then you get you know desperately need guys desperately need guys. Hey go log gives you a big guy. Played about fifteen to twenty minutes. A game. And i level. I don't think you're looking at him. Be your centerpiece But you need some size and then you take. Two young guys have talent Those two essentially and jared hensley and aj mcginnis or your freshman class and you had to get something along those lines two to to provide for the future of the program. Now you can go out and start taking some bigger swings because you got to three spots left your stabilized. I mean i think you know the the the attempt on. Cj frederick tells you even though they didn't get him that there's an awareness that they need a guy that can really get you some buckets on the wing And i think you look for a wing score and we look for one or two best available. Big guys you can get. And then you're rolling out a line up. That has some decent talent across the board and across all different positions. So i get the small concern. The pocket of fans look at it and say he's just bringing his you and cg roster well too young guys a fifth year guy and then you're going out and trying to find the best available you know coaches. Do they recruit guys they know. That's generally how recruiting goes you know guys you get comfortable with guys and then you're you know you land them. Isn't it for what we've seen better to have a coach. It's got a bunch of guys that he knows that are that are crawling across the country to come play for him as opposed to a guy that nobody wanted to play for i would i would say the answer to that. Question is yes is the portals still filled. I mean like are they stole a lot of dudes like there were roughly fifteen hundred kids that were in the portal at the beginning of the offseason. Gimme a rough estimate of where that number is now. There's still some some quality talent in the portal. I think what you're seeing now is is. There's probably a reason that some of those guys have been in the portal for four or five weeks And you have to dig through the y. On that on a lotta guys. I i do. Think and we're we're seeing it some where we've seen a couple of guys in the past couple of days Entering the puerto from high major programs. I think you're gonna see a second wave Teams are going to start to get back. The campus here end of may or early. June rosters are going to be Look a lot different. Because of all the transfers that have been added. and you've got until july first to transfer and get the free one year waiver this year. I think you're gonna see a second wave as we get clo- didn't exactly what i signed up for because now you know maybe you know you got added two guys in my position and things look a little different now than they did when the season ended I do think you're going gonna see a second wave as we get into the middle of the summer that i think it would be wise to keep at least a spot. Maybe two spots open to play that second wave of the portal. And find some guys. There can help you. I got one minute here in the aftermath of the twenty twenty one. Nfl draft which was good the university of cincinnati. I have seen at least three mock drafts that have desmond ritter going. In the first round of next year's draft including one that would have him being the player taken a year ago at this time. If i would have said to you we would be entertaining. The possibility of him being a first round pick you would have said what that he had a heck of a junior year. I mean look. I think some of that gets skewed because we we expected him to take that kind of jump as a sophomore and a myriad of reasons wide receiver dab there or the lack of top in town wide receiver that year. Trouble tackle. dad's had a bit of a sophomore slump He didn't quite take that jump. We all expected from his freshman sophomore year. And then the first two or three games or slow from that game from game four on he turned it on and had a heck of a junior year. And now there's a lot of guys looking at. He's six four his mobile. He's got a big arm He beat a lot of different ways if he improves the accuracy and can get up in that like he was at what i think. Sixty four sixty five percent. Completion percentage being up to seventy percent or so He's got a real shot to be a big factor in next year's draft with like one minute to prepare. You hit a home run. Thank you always appreciate your mouth talk soon. That's our guy. Chat brenda barricade journal dot com. It is four o'clock. We'll chat with shayne graham. The old bengals kicker about the new bengals kicker coming up in about twenty minutes. Your phone calls are ahead. The tony larussa thing. Yesterday that helped out the reds illustrated a problem. We get to that and we have reached a somewhat sad point in the career of veto. Or at least i have get to that next on. Espn fifteen thirty. The official home of joe burrow cincinnati's. Espn fifteen thirty. Hey what's up. My name's mo eager. This is espn fifteen thirty. Thanks for listening in about fifteen minutes ish machine. Graham grams last game is a bengal. Did not go so well against the jets. Oh nine points but he had a good run here. He is still the most accurate kicker in bengals history He's coached the different places including florida. Where last year he coached. It was taken by the bengals in the fifth round and kicker from florida. So make sense. We'll have shane on to talk about his player. Who's now going to have that conversation with shane. Coming up in about fifteen minutes. As i'm sitting here i have on. Espn nfl live. And i'm watching. I don't have the sound on. Obviously i'm watching dana. Rossini who tweeted about the bengals today and seeing her reminds me. We need to talk about her tweet. Because i enjoy her work but she tweeted a criticism of zac. Taylor that is absurd and so tearing. It's on you to remind me to talk about that before we do anything else. Though nick spring borough has been waiting patiently and so now he's on. Espn fifteen thirty. Hi how are you hey mojo. How're you doing better good. Hey first of all. I completely agree with you. The first two that needs to be voted into the ring. Definitely have to be both cans I think from there on you. Gotta go David filter next He he holds a special place in bagels history and I'd like to see him go in the next time. They voted ring of honor. Guys i think you can make the argument. He is the greatest defensive player the bengals have ever had and so i have no issue with him. Being in the next The next class. Yeah i think after the two cans you gotta go him but That's not the reason for my call though I you know. I agree completely. You can't move. Jesse winker too. I i work with a lot of dudes that were all on board this morning with moving jesse i Yeah i two reasons that you've already spelled out. I don't see any the feasibility of doing that I think you know. If i'm david bell i move moussaka the i i move Soirees back to third. And maybe put sends l. in short and kind of see how he does but i truly truly feel like part of why soirees is going through the offensive struggles that he's going to right now lies in the fact that I it just seems like there's some anxiety there We he's so focused on doing what he can at that. We've seen a regression at the plate. What are your thoughts on that. I think that's completely plausible. I can't get inside his head until you that that's the case but would you be surprised to find out you know. Let's say after the fact if they moved him over to third and he started a hit the way we had hoped. Would it surprise you if he came out and said yeah you know what i was so consumed with the position change and the struggles that i was having that it affected my overall game. I don't think that would be surprising at all. He was a competent third baseman. He's a terrible shortstop and his offense. They need his bat more than his glove. I will make some changes with the glove. If it means. I can get more out of his bat and so i would be very open to moving him back to his previous position. Yeah i think just you know until vodka returns. I think you gotta do that. I mean i'm interested to see what they've dealt says later today or early tomorrow regarding where. Who's playing i. M where they shift everybody around but i just want to get your thoughts on On suarez and the struggles. He's been going through with regard to shortstop take my nick. I think would it really comes down to is. How do you feel about india plane. Short so india's obviously played more third than second. He has more than held his own at second base. He's been fine. Could he make a similar transition to shortstop and maybe not be quite as good but probably better than you. Heinous suarez juarez. I would imagine. I think the answer is yes. And then you put sell second base and you're good to go. They didn't wanna put sense l. Shortstop and the word from arizona was well because he's had shoulder surgery and so we don't. We don't want him to make that throw it's worth pointing out. He has made. Some bullet throws to third base from center field. I think it was the game on saturday or he called a ball in you. Know not extraordinarily deep centerfield but pretty deep centerfield and threw it on a line to third base. Now you're making more throws at shortstop and third base than you are in center field. But i'm looking at tackling. That doesn't look like a dude who's struggling with his shoulder. It's also worth pointing out that this season. They've gotten him into a couple of games out second base. He's started a couple of games at second base and it was okay. It was fine. So i mean can you. Can you move back to third base. Maybe that helps him get out of this season. Long offense of funk. He goes back to a position that he was fine at before you moved them. You see of stanzel can handle the transition shortstop. I'm guessing he would be okay. And nixon zell goes back plays a position that he has a lot of experience at. Meanwhile you put shogo who they're paying seven million dollars to and you put him in the outfield. He plays centerfield. Probably at a higher level than sends l. You hope he can get on. Get on base not at the same clip as he did the final two weeks but you hope he can maybe set the tone for a little bit. Maybe the top of the order against righties. And you hope he can hold his own against lefties winker where he is and in the absence of shogo being ready. You'll live with tyler seguin and centerfield the part of this. That's always interesting to me is just how we talk about first base. I'll stick him over there at first base and i'm like ever go to a baseball game and watch how involved the first basement is it feels like any time there's a decent hitting catcher joe mauer mike piazza guys Just keeps stick him over there at first as like okay we. I brought this up before we did that. For years with adam dunn. They just jam over there at first base like he can't play left field but you think he's gonna play a position better that involves doing more okay and as it turned out he was an awful first baseman too. But we talk about that position is. If it's i just from anybody over there you could put a refrigerator over there. It's gonna be like it requires so jesse. Winker has played zero professional innings. And by the way when jesse winker draft he was drafted as an outfielder. He's been he was drafted in two thousand twelve. Spent years playing the outfield. And since he's been a pro- almost a decade over sixty four hundred innings in the outfield. And yet you'll find folks who want to play at first base at the major league level in the middle of a pennant race. What are we doing by the way joey votto thing. I'm driving home last night after our show. Joey votto got injured yesterday afternoon. We're doing a show right. After the game we heard from joey we heard from david bell. We talked about. Maybe what the red should do to fill his absence. And you know. I'm kind of going through things on my head and i'm like you know. There was a time when finding out that joey vodka was going to miss an extended. Period of time would have been devastating. It would have been the biggest sport story in town and we would have shoved everything to the side to talk about it not to say that it isn't a big deal. He's the starting first baseman for a team that harbors playoff hoops and he's made some contributions this year. But i mean think of of how that news went down. Yesterday he got hurt. Stuck in the game came out of the game. You found out after the game that was going to have to miss some time. And if you're like. I believe most you just kinda shrug your shoulders. It's not ideal stinks for joey. It's not great for the team. But joey missed like seven weeks in two thousand twelve. That was a really good team. He was having an excellent season. I remember when that happened. He got injured in san francisco. That felt devastating. I remember when he got hurt in two thousand fourteen which was a year in which the reds kinda hung around for three and a half months. He missed one hundred games that season when he first got hurt. That was a blow man thirty seven year old first baseman. Whose numbers i know. He's hit the ball hard. A bunch of numbers are not great and whose best years are way way behind them now to me. Just we've reached sort of an important landmark in the evolution of his career where we find out that a dude who's a first ballot reds hall of famer a guy who set a marvelous career dude who just a milestone on friday hitting his three hundred homerun. We find out that he's going to be unavailable for a big long stretch of time and the reaction is. It's not a criticism of him. It says where things are and that was kind of striking to me yesterday. Four so the bengals drafted a kicker in the fifth round. He comes to cincinnati with the ringing endorsement of a former bengals kicker. Who coached him in college. Shayne graham. Who will join us next. Four twenty on. Espn fifteen thirty moega. We've spent the week obviously talking about players the bengals took in the two thousand twenty one. Nfl draft and some eyebrows raised when with the fifth round. Pick the bengals. Use it on kicker. Evan mcpherson from florida. Who gets the endorsement. The ringing endorsement from a guy who coached him at florida last year and a familiar name too familiar named like fans of half the teams in the league because he kicked for like everybody but mainly cincinnati. He is still the team's all time leader and accuracy. Coach mcpherson last year at florida as a quality control coach on special teams. Shayne graham is with us. It's good to have you how are you. I'm doing very well. Thank you for having me you. You know how this works right. A team uses a fifth round. Pick on kicker and people go. Yeah could you have gotten him in college free agency. Could you have taken them later. What about mcpherson justified. The use of a fifth round. Pick well you know. I i completely agree with most people and i can tell you back when i was a rookie. I would've agreed. Because i did not get drafted myself but you know sometimes you come across guys that you know if you're looking to get the best guy you can. Have you know. Sometimes you have to jump in front of and and you know if you know for a fact that you want to have somebody that you can count on You know it's always a gamble. But you look at a guy like evan. And i think that they saw pro day how good he was. You know i. I you know of sent darren some film earlier in the year. That was pretty impressive. And you know. I've kind of been talking him up all along. Just what a good kid. He was in general. How hard worker. He was mentally strong. He was just all the things that i thought were gonna make him successful and i think it was just the perfect storm for him to end up with air. Because darren one of the best coaches you can have for. A special teams is the longest tenured special teams coach in the nfl since two thousand and three and he knows what he's doing and you know we all fall prey to human Air you know we all miss kicks every now and then we all make mistakes every now and then but i think darren's done a good job with every guy that he's had and you know even when i had my mistakes there you know darren did a good job with me and helped me come back from them and i learned a lot of lessons when i left there and i can tell you that. Getting evan was probably one of the the best moves. They could've made as far as getting specialist because he's just he's physically talented beyond measure and his his mental toughness and his mental confidence and everything is just so impressive to see. And and i think that's something that people are gonna find out once they get to tell me about the first time you had a chance to watch him kick so obviously it was on them Before i even got to florida. I started doing a little research on on the guy just so i can kinda learn a little bit about the players. I was going to be around and it looked good but you know film. It's so hard to truly tell but the first practice and mind you. Those practices were delayed for so long. Because it co. But i didn't get a chance to see even spring ball didn't get a chance to in summer workouts any near that stuff so that first time it comes out and kick it was like holy cow. I mean you know. I'm thinking about me kicking. You know just four or five years before that's still in the nfl. And i'm like this kid. This kid would have run me off the field and any no honestly I felt physically. I was stronger. The older i. I in my upper thirties. I stronger than when i was in my twenties and and even in my time in cincinnati just from training different learning lessons. Just all kinds of things that i think made me better later. But you know this kid. Just the ball comes off his foot and it's such a pure clean hit. I mean if you've ever often you hit that perfect shot you know anyone can tell you that perfect shot. That just feels so pure. That's what almost every ball off his foot. Looks like and feels like. And i think that's what makes your marquee kickers of the guys who hit same ball every time and when that same ball is pure as the ball he hits. You can't ask for more. You talked about. Darren simmons who has a great reputation in capacity now for almost twenty years. Your relationship with darrin. Simmons predates his time in cincinnati and yours. What can somebody like him. Do for a kicker trying to make his way into the nfl. Well i think the key thing there is that darren has a background and all of football not just Football in general because most special teams coordinators probably at some point played football but not many of them were actually a specialist and darren was a high level at the university of kansas. But darren also played quarterback in high school played quarterback and doing your college and you know it was just very phenomenal athlete. If you ever get a chance to see practice you'll probably see throwing the ball and You know he. He likes to show that off every now and then i still give him a hard time but You know a guy actually was a part of the specialist family as as a specialist themselves understands that there is. There's an amount of time that you're able to work on your craft before it becomes too much and you have to understand the workload management that comes along with one leg swing over and over and over and the same movement. It's like a pitcher. You can't just throw a pitcher's arm until a falls off that that's not. What makes them better. It's it's quality over quantity and it's very purposeful management of of that motion. And that's something that dan understood. I always respected that one. I was with him because he always knew like. Hey it's time to shut it down. You know your limits. Be honest with yourself. All these kinds of things that a lot of coaches try to learn but because he actually did it he truly understands it and gets it with evan. You talked about his mental makeup. You referenced his demeanor great kickers. Miss kicks you had a great career. You miss kicks it happens. How important is it to have the right mental makeup coming into the nfl. When you know at some point in some situation you're going to miss. Well i think knowing that you have to trust your process and trusting your process is what is it within your routine and your process. That's going to make these successful and give you the results that you want and the people that have learned to do that at some point in their life or ones that can find the most success I found it in spurts. Like i would go up and down. I'm sure at times and ahead that process completely trusted. And i would believe in it and i never worried about the result. Well with evan. T is always worried about the process and not the result so never lived in fear of that result and the fear of that result ultimately comes down to being. Is this gonna make it or may miss it and if you're so afraid of missing that it's creeping into your thoughts then it's ultimately going affect what you're doing in your process so if you focus on that part then you're always gonna get yourself a self a slight disadvantage. You know i. I kinda compare it to if you're playing golf on a par three on an island par-three surrounded by water if you come up to that t box and you say okay. This one surrounded by water. Do i use my five dollar pro v. one golf mall. do i use my ex out. You know that. I found it though in the water on the last hole. Because you don't care if you miss and you're losing a cheap ball will if you line up or if few t- that ball up and you up that x. outlaw because you think it might into water then you've already defeated yourself but if you line up and you put that privy one on the t. and you think this privy wants to give me the best chance to hit my best ball at the best shot you're worried about your result more than you're worried. I'm sorry you're worried about the process of your swing in your head more than you're worried about missing the ball missing head or whatever you're gonna do wrong so he's a guy that just goes into every single practice and he's worried about what he's doing versus what's going to happen because of what he does and i've seen him miss and i've seen the smile on his face at at the at the time when he's worried about the next kick and keeping his confidence versus beating himself up over a bad kick and in the one thing that made it fun to work with him is knowing what his talent level was. He got to learn from my mistakes and he got to hear a lot of stories about situational football things that you know he can be prepared for that. He's going to be asked questions by darren at some point and he's gonna see during games at some point that i was able to give to him during my time with him but he also got to learn from mistakes and you know one of the big things. I told him. There were times during my career when things were great and the and i was on top of the world and there were times when things were not very good because i missed a kick. That was a very important kick or whatever and whether it be you know i kick to get into the playoffs against pittsburgh in two thousand and I think it was two thousand six. Maybe that was a down a big down. Play like Low spot in my career. And i learned from it and i got better and i moved on passed it but that point i needed something like that happens much as i hate saying it. It made me a better player There were other points like my last game is bingo was probably the lowest point in my whole entire football career and i was so torn up over that moment that happened in that playoff game that one of the biggest regrets ever have in my career was i was so torn up that i showered as fast as i could and i got out of the locker rooms fast as i could and i didn't give the media chance to interview me and i have to eat that every every night i have to think about man i really screwed that up and i've regretted it ever since and you know i'd i'd love to say that i apologize to everybody in the media and all the fans in cincinnati but i i you know i. I've done that to a degree but yet the best way for me to make amends to that is to make sure that some young guy that has a lot of talent that might be in that position. One time down. The road knows from my mistakes. So he's heard all the stories of like. Hey this is how i screwed up. If you're ever in this opera in this situation don't do what i did you know and and to me that means a lot because i know that he has a chance to be better than me and so many different ways. But that's just that's my role as a coach and that's why i love coaching. So much is because not only. Do i get to try to help them better. But i get the help them get better by learning from my mistakes as well as the bengals fan. You don't have to apologize for the. Oh nine playoff game. You do have to apologize for making four kicks against the bengals in the postseason for the text. You know. i won't life that game. Did i mean a lot to me. And i saw some of the funny remarks on twitter after the game. They're like yeah. This guy still kicking us out of the playoffs that you know i get it. I get it you know it was it was a it was a touchy subject for a little bit but You know i needed that. Because you know maybe marvin was right. He he said that. I might have had some demons. And my and my and my head after that game. And i think that definitely helped you know. Clean out some of those demons and You know exercise demons we can say and that really helped me going forward but you know i. I've always had a soft spot for cincinnati. I still consider. Obviously i wanted to retire. Bengal and i've always kind of considered cincinnati as a second home for myself and it's gonna be very special to me. I think back to your last season. It's kind of remarkable because at the end of the oh nine year they changed long snappers midway through the season. It was clark harris. Took over for brad. Saint louis clark is not only still here but he just signed a contract extension kevin shabbir. Yeah kevin huber was holder years. Obviously still here and just signed the contract extension. So your guy. Evans going to walk into a situation. Where the kicking team. The long snapper in the holder have been tacked together for a long time. How much can something like that. Help him you know having that sort of continuity and consistency is is one of the things that's very paramount into having Constants because we know you have confidence in the operation around you It's just one one less gear in the machine that you have to worry about because there are so many moving parts you have to deal with including your own technique and fundamentals. But you have these other parts that are moving around you but the less you have to think about all these moving parts at just really narrows your focus down to a very small focal point and it makes it easier for him to focus on his process and and not have to worry about those extraneous. Variables shane this has been awesome. I appreciate the feedback in the input and the stories. This has been great. Thank you so much absolutely. Yes sir thank you. You got it shayne. Graham former bengals seven years most accurate kicker in bengals history. Coaching evan mcpherson bengals kicker taken in the fifth round at florida. We are late. Brennaman and jones on baseball is fifteen minutes away. We have to talk about what tony larussa did yesterday. I'm not going to let them off the hook. But because he shouldn't be let off the hook but he did illustrate a problem. It's a simple problem with a simple solution next. Update is a service of kelsey. Chevrolet home of lifetime powertrain protections and guaranteed credit approval from their family to yours for life. Kelsen chef dot com reds are off. Today they kick off a ten game road trip tomorrow. First of three against the indians. In cleveland ohio up for grabs cleveland and playing really. Well there are three zip on getaway day in kansas city. The tribe looking for their fifth consecutive win and a four game series. Sweep of the royal seven ten tomorrow night. Wait miley zach. Zach on seven hundred. W l w the los angeles angels of anaheim have released our pools who was in the final year of that huge lucrative contract that he signed at the end of the two thousand eleven season pools surefire hall of famer. He is the only player ever with over six hundred home runs over three hundred hits and two world series rings. We'll see if he retires or tries to latch on with somebody else do need a first baseman. Cincinnati bengals today announced the ring of honor ballot which will feature seventeen former players who played a significant role. In the franchise's history and tradition of the two players voted on from this pool of seventeen. Will join anthony munoz and paul brown. In the club's first ever ring of honor induction class season ticket. Holders and sweet owners will be voting. The ring of honor nominees. Are ken anderson. Willie anderson jim bridger. James brooks chris collins worth isaac curtis corey dillon boomer assize and david culture chad johnson. Tim krumrie dave lapham monterey lemar parrish ken riley bob trumpy and reggie williams one of a college basketball. No congratulations to xavier product. Nause marshall who has had a good enough rookie season in new orleans. Pelicans have signed him to a three year. Five point three million dollar two-way deal that will include a fully guaranteed salary four next season. Congratulations to him. So reds. We'll take a one game winning streak to cleveland. Tomorrom on the heels of the bad news is joey. Votto breaks his thumb. The good news sunny gray was very good and tj antonio lucas sims. Were very good. And fortunately for the reds tony larussa was very bad under the microscope. For managerial mistake again that has been a recurring theme in his first season. Back in the big league. Dugout since two thousand eleven. He says he didn't know the extra inning rule that would have allowed him to avoid having a closer liam. Hendriks run the bases in the tenth inning. Obviously we have the magic runner rules. Where a guy starts the inning on second base. The rule says that the spot in the order that makes the last out in the previous inning becomes the base runner at second base. But if that's spots pied bhai pitcher than the team in at the plate has the option to use the preceding player in the batting order. Which would have been jose abreu. Here's a tony larussa. Admitting his gaffe yesterday if you knew that was available to be the runner there with you have gone to him. Instead of hendrik got on that. I know that that was why the guys bench came out and question about liam was going to be the runner. I said yeah. I know So we didn't know annoyed. Because if you look at the other guys who you a double switch out of the game on the buzzer guys. Von was come out And i thought we had to getting you know coping. John gray at commander at the end. So we got the out in the ninth. But i'll reread that situation. I'm guessing you know there. I mean again it. Nobody likes him. He's kind of a punching bag around here and look. He's in the hall of fame deserves to be in the hall of fame won a couple of titles. Saint louis great career. I mean he's he is one of the most accomplished managers in the history of the sport that that cannot be taken away. But buddy. it's your job to know the rules. And i know you haven't been in a big league dugout for ten years but i i knew that role and i'm not a big league manager. That's not that hard and that's bad nobody on your dugout knowing the rule to tell you. Hey you know maybe you don't want hendrix running jose abreu the rules allow for that so thankfully he didn't know the rule it helped the reds and then later on getting he decided to have a guy tried to steal second base with one out first and third and billy hamilton at the plate. Which is nonsensical. Because billy hamilton is not gonna hit into a double play if the guy gets gets thrown out which he did. They're going to throw through because the closers on third base. He's not going to run for home so the guy gets thrown out. Its runner on third two outs. He can't score on l. And billy hamilton's probably gonna make it out because he's a terrible hitter awful managing by tony. Larussa it does amplify something. That i believe is maybe the most idiotic thing in sports and think about that for a second because there are a lot of idiotic things in sports and granted. This is not the first time. I've talked about this. It remains simply baffling that we have one league. And that's what major league baseball is. It's one league in which half of the teams play by one set of rules and the other teams play by another set of rules. Meaning if you're talking larussa all right fine. You should know the rule. I think we would all agree with that. But he is managing in the american league. And so if you're managing in the american league guess what's never going to happen. You're never gonna put a pitcher into the game and have a spot in the batting order. Come up because they ever d. h. well in cincinnati. You gotta play a nationally rules and there is a there is no d. h. and the l. last year. There's no d. h. In the nfl this season and so a manager has to adapt to a set of rules that he ordinarily isn't working with him. Or here's what we could do. We could just decided all thirty teams play by the exact same set of rules. This is not nineteen seventy six when the american league was almost a completely separate entity onto itself and the nationally was a completely separate entity onto itself or the two leagues had their own umpiring. Crews the two leagues had their own presidents. the two leagues never intermingled unless it was the world series of the all star game. It's one league. There's interleague play literally every day of the baseball season. We've gotten rid of national league. American league umpires. We've gotten rid of american league and national league rules in terms of counting attendance or curfews. We've gotten rid of those. It's one league. I'm i've said this for years whenever this comes up i'm either pro d. h. or anti age. I don't care. I watch american league games. They're fine. i watched nationally games. They're fine. I don't necessarily care to see a pitcher hit. But i'm not bothered when the pitcher hits i don't care but what is patently. Absurd is legitimately one of the dumbest things in sports and just because this has been the case for years doesn't make it any less dumb to rules. Perhaps had tony larussa who. I'm not excusing but had tony. Larussa been forced to be in a situation prior to yesterday in which the the pitcher would a spot in the batting order. Perhaps he'd be better versed on the rule. It is ridiculous that we do this and the good news is it. Looks like as soon as next year. The fact that we have two sets of rules for one league is going to go away for good eleven away from five o'clock i i'm doing something today if you just joined us. I'm doing something today. That kind of breaks a personal rule of mine. And i'll tell you what it is after brennaman and jones on baseball jones on baseball in ten minutes free between five and six. We've been busy today busy us. Fc cincinnati and iheart media announcing that Fc cincinnati games for the upcoming season which starts on saturday night. We'll be broadcast right here on. Espn fifteen thirty fc. Cincinnati original home. Which means on saturday evening in addition to the coverage offered on star sixty four threat the regular season and espn. Plus you'll be able to hear every game right here on. Espn fifteen thirty and occasionally next door on fox sports. Thirteen sixty which means you will hear the Trio of tom gallagher. Kevin mccloskey and alex stack starting on saturday night for the season opener. Tommy g voice. fc. Cincinnati is with us. It's been way too long my friend. How are you would you. Were in the flash. Let's go eardrums great to hear from you my friends. It's nice to talk to you. What's what's know how you bet what's going on for another season. This one starts a little bit later. There's been a global pandemic going on Building a stadium. I spent about five hours there today. Tasting down a few things it's been it's been a whirlwind but a lot of excitement Going on everywhere your kids growing up. I can't growing up and here. We are ready to talk orange and blue again. I love it. You mentioned the stadium. Let me start there bunch. When when this place opened on may the sixteenth and fans can come and certainly by the end of the year. hopefully many many more fans can what. What's in store for people who get a chance to go see a game at at home this year. I mean if the palace it says it says cool the of soccer facility as you're gonna find in north america. I took through an official. And really i've only started a few people could by somebody with mls about two weeks ago and took him on a tour and when we walked out he looked at me and said you win. Say me he did. You guys win. He's been with twenty one years. He said you win. I've seen them all. This is the best and it is truly spectacular and it does not matter where you sit whether you you're are sitting on the pitch and one of the fancy seats next to the bench or you're sitting up in the upper deck somewhere. Every seat is spectacular scoreboard is just remarkable. And there's something for everyone so if you want general seats and hotdogs and beer there that and if you want premium club areas there that and so on and so forth sweet you name it and of course. I have a great broadcast booth. So i'm really excited. That's that's key the key. Though i think for me is look. You know the affinity. I have for nipper. I know the affinity you have for nippert stadium the first few years of this club and this was absent last year without fans but the first years of this club that atmosphere the setting had a lot to do with that the key for me was always you have to be able to not only replicate that but build up build upon. It feels like they've done that. Yeah i don't think there's any question in look it's going to be a little bit different make and for at least the first couple of home games because of the reduced capacity and how much would increase in june and july. We don't know yet. We don't really even know what the capacity is for me. You know with a month from tomorrow but still. The governor could change regulations in two weeks right and say x. percentage is now allowed to go to a game. So they're figuring that out and you know if you're friends with the ticket thapa fc. Cincinnati go by the air. Take them out. You don't know them. Spend them beer because their job is really the worst right now right. They're trying to figure this out and trying to get as many people to every game as possible that safe and we're all hoping that by the end of the year we're going to hear that place roar with twenty thousand in there and it's safe to do it and it'll be spectacular because of the way the roof goes all the way around and there's a canopy it's going to be so loud and so spectacular so i can't wait it's going to be. I mean i get chills. Every time i walk in there and it's going to be very very cool. It's it's it's gonna be awesome to to walk inside there for first time. Obviously that it's a place that's been many many years in the making question i have now is about the product we see on the pitch and obviously three road games. Before sunday the sixteenth it's felt like a whirlwind offseason. A lot of stuff happens especially in recent weeks. What was what was fc. Cincinnati is most significant development in terms of of of the roster in terms of team building in terms of what. We're going to see and hear starting on saturday night. Yeah i think it's two parts right now. At first i just started the commitment by carl linear and the ownership group. They've already committed all of this money for the stadium. Right remember they. They built the stadium. They pay for it so they committed a ton of funds for that but then on top of it to look at how last season went and say look. It was a disappointment and we have to improve. And here's more money to go out and have a record setting transfer fee to bring in a guy like brenner. The young brazilian striker who has just a spectacular touch and a nose for the goal. So you put the goal scorer out there but you gotta have somebody to get the ball to goal score right. And they go and acquire a player like luchino a kosta who's going to be central attacking midfielder and kevin and i've lost him and training. We watch kevin looked at me. He was like wow we have never in. The history of this club had a player with that ability in that position. Distended up place and his touch touches so strong and he has such a vision on the attack that i think that link between brennan and a cost is going to be so important for what fc cincinnati can do and you know they. They've already become good friends on the pitch they become good friends off the pitch. They're spending a lotta times. Kosta native of argentina brenner of course brazilian. And so i think those two if they can connect in the way that everybody is hoping that that's going to be the engine that drives fc. Cincinnati we're gonna see a lot of the goals that maybe we didn't see the last two years and that's going to set up other pieces for success because all of a sudden you're going to have to worry about what renner a cost of doing it all the time and other all of a sudden some other folks are gonna be scoring goals and setting up offensive opportunities so i mean i think it's spectacular the job that drawer night camp and you have stop and you know the entire team jeopardy in the credit to to convince the ownership group look like this is the money we have to spend a go out and get guys like this that will bring the quality that will score goals and put a high quality product on the pitch and so far so good at least in what i've seen now saturday night with beat up. We saw them have a degree of success when they came back last year. In orlando the two games in which they they parked the bus. Which by the way term. I learned from you. They parked the bus and they go into what frankly was kind of boring but effective style. They win those two games. The advanced to the knockout stage. And i thought all right obstacle. They've got their guy coach. Adjust to the personnel that they have and did that in a very short amount of time but my question at the time was i don't know that that style is sustainable. And i think you're went on clearly. It was not how much of that will. We have to see this year and just in terms of being more wide open. Is that feasible with guys they have for sir and i think If you look at the last few games from last season he got away from that three five two five three to where it was more of a defensive minded setup and he wants to play four three three and he wants to be authentic minded. Everyone thinks because if he's incredible defensive background as a player dot. Some just gonna sit back into thin. No yup sam wants to go score goals. So that's why you know brenner. And a cost and all the other pieces that'll be around them become so important in getting forward in the attack so he doesn't wanna sit back he wants to press. He wants to be aggressive offensively and he wants to take chances in and in school goals. So you're right. It was adjusting to personnel. Remember that first game. Four nil to columbus and obviously columbus went onto win mls cup. They're pretty good team but he adjusted because he had to find out a way to survive and as a season wore on he said look. We have to play the style that i wanna play next year so that a guy can get used to it and i can figure out if these guys even fit system the ones that were on the roster at the time and then summer still round and some are not so you. I think we're gonna see not what you saw on july when when was his first few games and and more so you know what the team tried to accomplish at the end of the year and probably didn't see would have liked but now he feels like he has more the personnel and he has some more players coming in who have recently been signed. That will help in that situation to jonah. Put the ball in the back of the net. Just it feels to me like they're going to benefit from coaching stability and look right wrong indifferent this has been a revolving door for a lot of different reasons. And it feels to me like this franchise if for no other reason having the same coach through an offseason. There's a degree of stability. Obviously they've molded the roster in his image having some stability in that position can't be anything but it helped with this club. Right you're absolutely it. It is and look. I joked with yap about it. The other night said you joined this club. In the most unusual circumstance ever literally moved to america to take over a team that had had a fire coach a couple of months earlier in the middle of a global pandemic. But you didn't even really know when there were game. You took a job and nobody even knew. Let's say when he took that job and made it there would be game last year. You know everything was still on pause at that point. Clams are starting to come together but nothing was firm. Nobody knew how to thing was going to play out. And you know that affected. I think a lot of players a lot of different ways. You look at a guy like you. Yaqoob comes over. You know a very talented japanese soccer fire who struggled last year and i think struggle to find his place probably was lonely times. Because you come over and all right so your family's not hear anything but you make friends and you go out to restaurants your teammates and you know maybe maybe get to know some new people in the community here in cincinnati. But he didn't get a chance to do so. I think his adjustment period was much longer in coming to america and he's much more comfortable in the preseason so i'm excited to see what he can do in your number two so i think from now standpoint. That absolutely last year was so unusual that now having a true preseason and having a scheduled that set for the year These are all advantages and for the club having the consistency head. Coaches is massive. I think the last time you and i talked on these airwaves nashville. Sc had had yet to be formed So that's the opponent on saturday night or they're going to be a well. Yeah i think so because remember. This is a team that made it to the playoffs. They snuck in last year with a late season. Run and then they had a nice run and they had columbus on the ropes. A little bit went to extra time and gave up two goals and lost a columbus who then went on and i. I'm watching that game seeking man if nashville can survive. They're gonna play rim alaska like they'll win the next game and go on and obviously columbus was able to get the win so and they have pretty much. Everybody back season coaching gary smith. The of course one. Mls comeback in two thousand and ten with colorado and. They have a lot of guys with experience in the league and a lot of talent up and down the roster so you know they bring back pretty much. Everybody and i wouldn't be shocked if they start the same eleven. They started in that playoff game against columbus to end the year so they have consistently very home. It's funny because last year everybody's screamed and yelled these. Two teams didn't play because they played l. and had a bit of a rivalry and in in usa of course When the last time that we talked that playoff game and so everyone was so upset last year. The two teams play and i think schedule makers how to nice chocolate and put this one game number one and then they play three times this season. So i'm excited. I think it's a great test for fc cincinnati to start the season and kind of see where they're at and we'll go from there saturday night fc cincinnati at nashville the orange and blue back with us on espn. Fifteen thirty. you could here. Saturday night's game live a haven't you guys back as awesome for a lot of reasons. Not the least of which is now i can. I can bother you on a regular basis against so we have a lot of time to make up for you. Yeah let's do it. I'm here for you whenever you need me and thrilled to do it. It will be a lot of saturday night. Happy to bring call everybody. And you know kevin's kevin's excited. He's roaring and ready to go. And alex site in nashville. And it's going to be a lot of fun. Could it be a lot of fun. We'll talking to man. Thanks so much any all about cincinnati is back on. Espn fifteen thirty. Starting on saturday night game starts at eight. Thirty in nashville. There is a lot to talk about with west miller coming to you see. There is one major dynamic that has changed in relation to bearcat basketball. Coaching searches of the past related to the president. Coming up in ten minutes but first brennaman and jones on baseball. No-one covers but bengals. Espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sports station. Hey remember me how you doing. This is espn fifteen thirty. Thank you for listening popa. Your thursday is going swimmingly as we say. Taryn i need you to spearhead a new project. can you start documenting. How many days per week brennaman jones on baseball is actually about baseball. Is it three days a week. Here's the thing. I i don't. I don't want to mislead people anymore. I don't wanna you know. Hey coming up. Random jones on baseball and then we go and talk about god knows what. Gimme cut a special edition of brennaman and jones on baseball every day for this radio down the hall. Fine talking about here. It's a sports station. Talk about baseball novel concept. I me- judah. I need you either. Keep track of that or let's listen to it in advance so we can give folks an idea of. Hey today it's about baseball guys. It's brennan jones on baseball or today. It's brennaman and jones on masks and lebron politics. Look those guys can do whatever they want as far be it for me. I just for the purposes of me doing my job and fulfilling an obligation of sorts to my audience. I just i think we should. I think we should start to. I don't know pay closer attention to brennan jones on baseball which is seemingly often not about baseball seven after five. Espn fifteen thirty. My name is mojo. Egger the bengals. Zac taylor specifically getting some criticism from a national reporter. That i think is unfair. And i say that if somebody who's done his fair share of criticizing zac taylor. We will get to that plus. I've been meaning to do this all day long. We've got the retirement and not the retirement. The release of our pools and pools was released by the angels today and a memory came to mind when i saw that news this afternoon. Plus it's time to help you hanikos suarez. And you'll hear a conversation with a guy a little bit later on. Who was there for every borough to chase moment in two thousand nineteen. I'm gonna break a personal vow. I'm going to do something that i promised myself. I would never do something that i value. Never doing in just a few minutes. But rick and cleaves has been waiting patiently. Rick you're on. Espn fifteen thirty. Are you know how you doing wonderful. What's up your jokingly stole my thunder on the the our pool host to the first base. Here's the thing i'm not sure. He's a better option. But how much money would you pay to watch our pool hall play first base for the reds during a panic race with the cardinal. Yeah i am down. I would buy tickets just for that. How come on. I mean if if you remember you might not remember this in two thousand year two thousand. The cardinals of at the trade deadline a completely washed up well clerk and he ended up having like the greatest seven weeks of his career and then as soon as the season ended he retired immediately. The production was insane. This last-gasp all right. Remember me. I used to be will clark and helped the cardinals win the division that year. They made it to the nfl. If something like that. Where if you could promise me something like that from our pool halls one hundred percent. It's just that the decline in production has been so profound over the year. that i just. I think it's gonna be interesting to see how that ends you know. He's still a guy that has he's thirty. Three home runs away from seven hundred z at all motivated to try to chase that number he has. He's forty seven hits away from thirty three hundred motivated to around that often. I don't i don't know but boy. Low risk or the reds. Now i mean the angels pickup everything but the league minimum right. Yeah the problem is there's no so in anaheim. He could the age so here. You'd have to play them in the field if the idea is to have them come in a bench role. Is he interested in doing that. Does he still want to start. If the answer is yes. Do you wanna forty one year old guy who has spent most of the last five or six years mainly dha. I'm going to guess the answer is but but you know you got bottle out three to four weeks. You gotta three to four week trial. Why not be what he can do. And if he doesn't you just released something like the angels did it would be interesting. It'll be fascinating. It would be compelling. It'd be odd as hell to watch the cardinals and reds play with our pools and a reds uniform. It'd be amazing. It'd be amazing. I just don't know that i would expect much. Yeah now i know. I know like i said just to just to see it during a pennant race. The money i pay you know it is interesting. It's one of the great. What ifs because wall jocketty is admitted this in two thousand eleven. They explored moving on from joey votto or at least having joey changed positions and acquiring our polls. Clear that clearly. They wouldn't have been able to sign both so now. Joey goes away he gets traded. His contract lapses whatever it is but that is one of the greatest what ifs what if the reds end up with our pool halls. How do the trajectory of the reds change. How does the trajectory of. Joey votto goes career. Change how does the trajectory of the angels change. They've not one while they have might trout. That's obviously coincide with paul's time in anaheim. It is one of the great whatevs in the history of the reds and the angels the cardinals and a guy who obviously going to be headed to the hall of fame absolutely wreck given thought i will. I will only one of the most interesting things when when albert pujols and do what you want with these statistics of batting average when our pool halls left saint louis at the end of the two thousand eleven season. That was he'd played ten. He played eleven years in saint louis at the time that he left his lifetime. Batting average was three twenty eight. It is now dip below three hundred. That's how often bad. He's been in anaheim. His opie s was well over a thousand. It sits at nine twenty one right now and look out for pools as a first ballot should be unanimous obvious clear-cut hall of famer but it is remarkable e did have a forty home run season there. He had another year. I think his first year he thirty home runs. He drove in one hundred a couple of times. But here's a guy. If you look at our pools just to rate for youth case you forgot how good he wasn't. saint louis. here are his yearly s totals every single year. He was in saint. Louis one thousand thirteen nine fifty five one thousand one hundred sixty one thousand seventy two one thousand thirty nine one thousand one ledley nine ninety seven one thousand one hundred and fourteen led the league one thousand one hundred one ledley one thousand and eleven led the league nine hundred six. His opie s was over. One thousand eight times in anaheim. His best season was as i was eight. Fifty nine every single year after that he's had an opium of below eight hundred and at the time of his release this year in anaheim he was sitting at six twenty two hitting a buck. Ninety eight with five homers and ninety two plate appearances. None of that do anything to diminish his greatness. I mean he's. He's the best right handed hitter i've ever seen but in terms of him coming to cincinnati our polls and spell. Joey votto for a couple of weeks and then go back to the bench or are you really expecting that much at this point from an offense of perspective i kind of be happy with the guys they have now now defensively that might be a mess but our pool halls in helping much with the glove right now either and again they cannot fourteen minutes. After five o'clock i have a policy. I guess you'd say. I'm not big into interjecting myself and other people's lives i as i've gotten older i've cared less and less and less about what other people are doing as long as they're not hurting anybody else as long as they're not affecting me. I don't care what people eat. I don't care what people drink. I don't care how dress. I don't care what people do with their money. I don't care what people do with their free time. Like i i just you find too many people who are just busybodies there to preoccupied with what everybody else is doing and i absolutely do not absolutely do not tell people how to vote. It is a policy of mine. I do not tell people how to vote. I don't answer them how they are voting. I don't interject my. Here's what i'm gonna do and you should do that. I do not believe in doing that. As a person's ballot person's vote is a private thing. They make their choice for their reasons. That are exclusive to them and it's none of my business. I never do it. I never will except for today. The cincinnati bengals today announced a ring of honor ballot which features seventeen former players who have played a significant role in the franchise's history and tradition. They're going to have a video with seventeen nominees featured in a schedule released video on wednesday of next week which will celebrate the first ever seventeen game regular season. These seventeen players will pared down to to the votes will be the people voting will be season ticket holders and suite holders. And that'll unfold later this spring the seventeen. Excuse me seventeen. Honor nominees and to will join. Paul brown and anthony munoz in the first ever bengals ring of honor class. The seventeen bengals ring of honor. Nominees are kenny anderson. Willie anderson jim. Bridger james brooks chris. Collins worth is a curtis corey dillon. Boomer assize david. Culture chad johnson. Tim krumrie dave lapham. Maximum toy lemar parrish ken riley bob frumpy and reggie williams all of deserve consideration. Congratulations to all there. Clearly are others that we can add to the conversation. There's no former coach on this list but nonetheless i there's a lot of people here that one day should go into the bengals ring of honor. There are some people on here. That i think you could argue. Don't belong in the bengals ring of honor. Not every great player for the bengals is going to go into the ring of honor there does have to be some exclusivity here. But i'm i'm going to implore you if you have a vote let's just let's make this very very simple okay. Very very simple. It's kenny anderson. Ken riley that is no knock on anybody else. Chad johnson will be in the bengals ring of honor and he deserves to be. Here's one of the most important bengals of all time. He could wait. So willy anderson so can anybody else you wanna talk about. This is very very simple for me. It's two fold number one. The two players who have the best pro football hall of fame cases are kenny. Anderson ken riley. I believe both should be in kenny. Anderson is arguably the most important bengals of all time the first star they had at the most important position the first mvp they had and he took them to their first super bowl. Long career distinguished career should be in canton. It is going to be absurd if this thing happens. And they have a hall of fame class and the first one doesn't have kenny anderson. We can't yell and scream. The kennedy should be in canton and then exclude him from the first ever. Bengals ring of honor class. You can't do that and honestly you can't do that with ken riley either. It is a shame that ken riley is not alive for this potential honor and kind of bittersweet for his family had the bengals ring of honor thirty years ago. Let's say instead of two thousand and twenty one the institute. One in nineteen ninety-one. Ken anderson and ken riley would have gone in. Immediately the passage of time and the the volume of bengals grades that have popped up since then should not change that fact ken riley is arguably the best defensive back to not be in cam. He has the most interceptions of any without being in canton. This should have been done awhile ago. You have to right. Some wrongs and you know frankly. It can anderson's case. He's in great health and it's not like he's ancient and i don't want to be doing this and five or six years and got. I wish. i wish this is what happened for kenny anderson while he was still here. This is painfully obvious. No knock on anybody else. There's going to be other bengal ring of honor classes. But if we're doing the first one how would not include those two would be beyond my comprehension. I am one of the most open minded flexible people you'll ever meet. I'm not budging on this by the way. This is a more fun conversation to have than the one about why they don't have a ring of honor if you have a vote if you have a say in how this gets done for the only time in my life. I'm telling you what to do with it. This is obvious this is simple. This is arguable. As far as i'm concerned you vote for the two guys named ken. Twenty minutes after five. O'clock your phone calls ahead five. One three seven four nine fifteen thirty the reds going to help out you heinous whereas and speaking of albert holes. He made me think of a moment. That is unlike all one in the history of gop. That's coming up on espn fifteen thirty cincinnati sports station twenty four or five. This is espn fifteen thirty. You're gonna hear a guest. Who was there covering every single. One of joe burrow's touchdown passes to jomar chase in two thousand nineteen coming up in just about twenty minutes. You'll enjoy that by the way shayne graham before was on our show about an hour ago and put me on twitter. He made kicking sound interesting. Talked about evan mcpherson his guy at florida a ye will have on the podcast page of espn fifteen thirty dot com slash mo. We're talking about our pools before. And i want we'll get to you heinous whereas here in a second what the reds might be able to do at first base quickly on on our pools along there are two hitters and frankly i think only two headers who when they came to the play in a game in which you had a rooting interest for the team that albert was playing against. That were absolutely terrifying. Barry bonds being the other for me at least like every time. Our pool halls came up in a big situation against the reds. I expected him to hit the ball. Five hundred miles and his numbers against the reds lifetime were outstanding. But if there's one moment that stands out i i will never forget. I'll never forget this for two reasons. So in two thousand nine the reds were kind of flirting with being decent midway through the season and they started a fourth of july weekend series against the saint. Louis cardinals that that that started with them being two games out of first place and so on the friday night i don't know jb was sold out but there were more than forty thousand people there and i never forget this night for sold out on. Never forget this night for two reasons number one. It was a holiday. Friday july third or fourth and i had to host the inside pitch before going to the ballpark and i started the inside pitch for the first time in my career saying welcome to the pennant welcome to a pennant race because it did it had this big feeling to it. That was a reds team. That had a very young. Joey votto who like at that stage in the season was hitting three fifty. And they had brandon phillips and jay bruce and they had brought up johnny cueto and homer bailey and all these guys they play this game on a friday night against the cardinals and homer bailey starts and he's fantastic and the park is absolutely rockin and they're leading their up three zip. They gotta run in the first inning to the bottom of the sixth july third. Two thousand nine and the park is rock. And it's like one of the very very few games to that point in history where it felt like a big event it felt like a pennant race was awesome beautiful summer night fourth of july weekend reds are going to pull it in a game first place and this is going to be a second half of the season to absolutely remember and if you recall the reds with a three nothing lead they take it to the eighth inning homer bailey's starts and dusty baker perhaps leaves him in a little bit too long he turns things over to arthur rhodes. It's a three nothing game. Arthur rhodes walks his hitter. An outdoor pools comes up. It's three nothing. David weathers comes david. Weathers had a really good big league career but man there were times where you just expected the worst and match that up with the guy you expect. The worst from this is what happened. Center field hit a time and that is a great and by albert pools. So that's the tv version. Tom brennan on fox sports ohio at the time. And i'm not even sure that did it justice. There are two times in my life of going to reds games. I can remember the sound that was made the very second the ball hit the bat. The other unfortunately is buster. Posey's home run in game. five two thousand twelve. I'll never forget being in the last row. The upper deck behind home plate when when buster posey hit up all there's a guy walking up the steps holding like a tray of drinks and hot dogs and he just had this look on his face like somebody stabbed him in the back or something and that combined with justice audible gasp. I'll never forget that. The only other time i recall hearing a sound like that was that night. July third two thousand nine when pool holes hit a home run. That felt almost inevitable. There isn't anybody in the park that night. Or who are watching or listening to the game there is nobody who when whether's comes charging in from the bullpen. I will never forget it. I won't forget who i was with. I won't forget. I'm going to forget saying something to the effect of. This isn't going to end well and pools just crushed and then again later in the game and he drove in an insurance run. The cardinals won the game and they took two out of three in the series and that was kind of the beginning of a downhill. Slide for the reds. That year i'll never forget less the homerun itself and it's been twelve years so there's probably a part of my mind that was embellishing. What it sounded like. I'll never forget the sounded park. That night i just never forget. Just this was this apprehension. And just dread as david weathers is throwing his warmup pitches as pooh holes is standing there holding the bat. And i'll never forget this. He wasn't even taken any swings. He was just standing there staring. David weathers and as down the first base line in the upper deck. And i'm like this is this is going to be awful. This ain't gonna go well and he hit what felt like a six hundred foot home. Run the sound of the bat and the sound the crowd made. I've heard that twice. The buster posey's thing was a lot more damaging because it kind of put a playoff game at least at the time out of reach that they had to win. This was a little bit different. But i'll never there's two hitters in my life as a baseball fan that have given me that feeling of dread and with the reds being the division with the cardinals he faced cincinnati so much more often that feeling of dread when barry bonds came up or when albert pool halls came up and it was a big situation. You always felt like you were screwed and the reds were that night. Twenty nine away from six quickly here on the reds first base thing mike moustakas has the most experience playing first base of anybody. Who's left on the roster without joey votto. This is an opportunity to play the guy who has spent the most time playing first base than anybody on the roster. But it's also an opportunity. can we end the heinous. Whereas a shortstop thing i was a proponent of it i had no issue with it but the caveat was if i'm getting good offensive production from a u. heinous whereas well the reds aren't getting good offensive production from you heinous horace yes. He had a free hit game in the crazy. Thirteen to twelve game on sunday while resigned from that. Has one multi hit game this year. He hasn't gotten a hit. since sunday. leads the league in strikeouts. He's been terrible i. There's simply no other way to put it. Forget where they hit them. Third fourth fifth. He's terrible terrible. He's been terrible but he's also the worst defender in baseball. According to the alps above average metric a is the effect cumulative effect of all individual plays fielder has been credited or dead with making it a range base metric fielding skill that accounts for the number of plays made the difficulty of them. They might be rolling your eyes at such an advanced metric heinous for as is the worst in the league not of any shortstop of anybody who's put on a glove this year. The worst according to outs above average in all of major league baseball is there a correlation between whatever he can't do in the field and what he's not doing it to play. I don't know but would you be surprised if that was the case. If you are struggling in one aspect of your job there's a really good chance that mentally it impacts how you handle other aspects of your job. You heinous juarez. Has a track. Record is a good major league hitter. Last year. he obviously swooned he had to twelve. But we're watching this year in a bad year for him. As obi has last year was seven. Eighty one right now. It's five fifty five and more than anything you watch him. He's not just striking out. He's not coming close to making contact. It's time to help him. It's time to help him and not at the expense of the ballclub. Either because moving you suarez from shortstop to third. Can you do any worse than the worst in baseball. No play somebody else. At short play. India play sends it literally anybody and maybe that unlocked something offensively for the guy that enables him to produce more and can perhaps overcome to a degree. whatever they may lose offensively with joey votto. I love you hineous juarez. It's tough watching him right now. And maybe he's just a bad baseball player at this point but he's got a track record is a good hitter. He's got a track record as a decent third basement. He is abysmal shortstop. Nothing against trying it. Nothing against giving in an effort wouldn't be having this conversation to the same degree of ottawa's healthy but he's not so you got to move. Some people around taking stock is moving in the first place whereas at third and then play any living breathing human being at shortstop the good news is they're going to get a living breathing human being back by the way shogo. Akiyama is not in the louisville. Starting tonight which may suggest that he'll be in cleveland this weekend. If that's the case play him in center play says l. at one of the middle infield positions play india at the other middle infield position. And let's try to get you heinous whereas going. It's twenty five from four. Your phone calls are next on. Espn fifteen thirty. One covers the bengals. Espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sports station. Twenty two away from six. This is espn fifteen thirty by the way really quickly here. I like the work of diana rossini of espn who mainly covers the nfl. She had a tweet today. That i do not agree with. She retweeted an article or a piece from profootballtalk dot com. that quotes. Zac taylor to our buddy. Paul dana gender of the athletic And the quote in question here. Zach says quote. We take tamara chase. Because you think he's going to be one of the all-time great receivers here over the next ten to fifteen years. You don't wanna be influenced by their alignment in their second round. You if you if you think that the guy is as good as we think he is. We just need to get him on the football team. So diana again. I'd really like her work. But she re tweeted and says i never understand why any team would put pressure on any player who hasn't played. Nfl game it makes no sense to me. Nobody needs the extra pressure. I think there is a difference between peninsula is going to be the next anthony moon news. And we think this guy could be one of the all-time great receivers here over the next ten to fifteen years. Frankly that part's kind of implied. You draft your march as with the fifth overall. Pick because you think he's good enough to be one of the best receivers. The bengals have had for about a decade. If not even longer than that. That's inherent that's implied. That's not extra pressure that goes with being the fifth overall. Pick by the way you don't say that if if you don't think the kid can handle that that's not extra pressure that's just to me. It's sort of understood you. Draft the guy fifth overall regardless of position. Thinking this dude can be here and be one of the best players in the league for a long time. So no issue with that. No issue with our buddy. Mike in la on espn fifteen thirty. Are you acquired pal. You i heard you say earlier today. You never been better impressive. You were mentioning buster couple of nominees. At the rate american migraine. Small crosby field from my dad took me and guys are smoking cigars. You can smell the hot. i don't mind fond. Memories of field are precious to me but the brain is play. I ever saw crossley. Shield was gene threes to to to to things gene threes hit a ball to write shield playing the pirates. I think don blasingame was on third base freeze it pretty deep clementi caught that ball on the runs. Did one of those willie. Mays turn around and drew him out at the plate. Not that gotta be the greatest deal being able to play along. I could i i. I still can't believe it. I still dream about it sometimes. Did that shows up in your dreams. Evidently every once in a long time. Gary nolan's there's like very nolan's working season and i saw him strike out. Willie mccovey willie a and jim. Ray hart three in a row at causley and gary. No one was quite a player. I guess he got hurt eventually or something but the absence of my call although you spur these memories and From time to time is that I want everybody to know that's listening to this radio station. That generosity tony low with the partake is incredible and on a serious note. I take care of my ninety two year old. Mom put pretty much all time. I just paid in full. A ninety. six hundred dollar medicare co pay bill. Because of you. And tony. And i i actually get a little choked up because i just wish people would take advantage of your generosity and you guys put a lot of time and effort into that and people. Don't understand that you don't look at the paper and go. Yeah took that one that one and that one that one. You're going to tell people. Hey here well first of all if you're gonna if you're gonna wager you should. You should put if you're gonna put money on something you should put some work into it and if you're gonna tell people hey look here's what i'm gonna do You might want to do the same. You owe it to them to put some work into it. So i i would rather say look. I'm not. i'm not betting on anything. Or i'm not going to tell you what i like. If i didn't have time or didn't care to to look at why you might wanna make a wager in one way or another. But i'm glad those things have worked out for you. I was hoping more people take advantage of it. And i get a big kick out. Of course you guys are. Take you know what i went on. Espn earlier today. And i swear to god most for a half hour they talked about players salaries. And i'm so tired of hearing about players salaries i remember when mickey mantle was. I think the first guy to make one hundred thousand and that was a big deal. If you ever get tired of hearing about players salaries. I i understand that. They have a role in the conversation about things like roster. Construction like it's unavoidable. What i get tired of are the folks who harp on it to a degree that dominates the conversation. You can't talk about for instance the nfl and the nba. Those are salary cap leaks. You can't talk about those leagues without having a pretty good working knowledge of the salary cap how it works how one player salary might fit in. It has it. Has its benefits when you can talk about. You know what good value what this players should be worth versus another like those things make sense. Baseball's a little bit different because there is no cap. So i get it as part of the conversation you know if you're talking about a player's statistically in baseball and you know it's it's let's say a guy puts up to eighty four fifteen homers and. His numbers are good. And you look at that in the context of what he's making you kind of frame. The discussion a little bit differently compared to the same player. Same numbers but he's making ten times more money. So i do think there is an application to knowing what guys make and making a part of the conversation but i also do joey votto the prime example. There are people who cannot talk about. Joey votto without mentioning how much money he's making and i will never understand that. I i don't get mike. I gotta run man. Okay thanks good to hear from you as always how are we on time. Taryn need a break. okay dude. who was there covering. Lsu for cody worsham great lsu football podcast. Therefore every yard of the borough to chase era at lsu joins us next cody. Worsham is the host of the. Hey fighting podcast. Which is the official podcast of lsu football. Some which means he was there to watch joe burrow throw. All those touchdown passes to march as Look those two guys played with each other in two thousand eighteen. They obviously together took a huge leap in two thousand nineteen. One was the moment you realize. Those guys had something special for tomorrow. Was this opportunity You could see it from the start with them. Talent wise I remember when i was a junior in high school. This was back before i worked for. Lsu i i got a call from a friend that said hey i. I was supposed to call this football game on radio tonight. I can't get their fill in for me. So i drove down to new orleans and university. High who's here in baton rouge on campus at lsu was playing against Rummell and never heard of dhamar chaste before at that point he wasn't a big time recruit and the game starts and all of a sudden number one is running up and down the field making place. Every time he touches the ball. And i was like i wonder. If that us your crudeness kid. He's pretty good football player Behold next the next Couple months he blows up on the recruiting trail and And so the talent was always there very evident was it was opportunity and even as a freshman lsu when he got on the field he was making plays yet a knack his freshman season for every time he caught the ball. He was basically on top of the pylon and it was either a matter of the actually score which he didn't or did he get a seat in and and he's down at the half yard line which he was frequently but the fiesta bowl. His freshman year was coming out party at a monster game And it just. It was just that freshman learning curve that i think a lot of guys go through And as soon as he got through that learning curve he was on the field all the time and making plays all the time so he's That that was when you really saw Joe was joe was more just development and right and getting faster getting reps and used to the speed of the game and you know. He was the first time he'd been starting for three four years. Probably since he was in high school. Which amara it was. Just hey once you once you get the playbook down and understand the concepts of the offense like we'll let you go full speed. As soon as they took him off a leash he was. He was reading ron. Describe for me those. To and the synergy and chemistry they had in two thousand nineteen unlike anything. I've seen a quarterback a receiver those two in particular they clicked start I think because they they have a similar approach to football. They both worked their tails off in different ways Joe joe is very chip on his shoulder motivated. Very i'm gonna prove the doubters wrong motivated. there's an edge to his competitiveness. Jamal are Works his tail off to. But there's a joy to his competitiveness. He's he's going to have a smile on. His face is going to one hundred percent full speed because he has fun. Going one hundred percent full speed and he doesn't really another no other way to do it and he he super competitive i mean the battles that he endure extremely junior used to have In practice before the twentieth nineteen season were the the thing of legend out there and just watch those guys for the whole time But it but it wasn't like a it wasn't an angry competition. It was a focused fun. Intense competition And so that's why i think. That's why. joe and jill mark clicked. They both you know when practice ins. They're not the guys that pack up their bags and go home and play video games and hang out with their friends although they they have that aspect of their lives near the kind of guys when practice and they go pick up the football and keep playing. 'cause it's fun so they they bonded over. That developed chemistry very quickly First touchdown twenty nineteen season was to jomar. And you just you just saw it. You saw it was inevitable. You just saw the connection that they had understanding. They had joe new. Wear tomorrow one of the football. You're new joe is gonna put the football. Timing was impeccable. Their their friendship was you need It's really really cool to see them. Reunited at the next level. Because i think they do have something special between them one more. We wanted to bring you on to talk about borough to chase bengals. Took another lsu player in this tyler. Shelve and defensive tackle. what can you tell me about him. Yeah didn't play this last season. He opted out. He was critical to the twenty nineteen team. Sort of an unsung hero. But you saw. Lsu's defensive struggles this year in twenty twenty. Couldn't stop anybody it was. It was difficult to watch at times. Think tyler being gone was part of that he You know we ran a three four with dave aranda that year and tie was just taking double teams all season and usually disrupting double teams. So when you're disrupting double teams. You're making life easier on everybody else. And last year our linebackers and twenty twenty without tyler had had difficult problem because they were getting blockers in their face. All the time You go back and look at the tape and twenty nineteen all linebackers. We're just running. free in. Tyler was a huge part of that. I i don't remember his production per specifically but you know there's a story going around That preparation for the draft last year when bill belichick was watching film of lsu. He said. i don't know who number seventy two is. But if he's in the draft we have to have them on. That's the that's the type of player. He is your football mind and you watch the tape from twenty nineteen. What else us defense was great. You're gonna look at seventy two and see that. He was central to what everything that lsu did so He his biggest things throughout his time at lsu was maintaining weight staying motivated staying in shape coach. Joe constantly had to kind of push. Those blood keeping motivated. But i think now that he's at the next level and it's do or die now or never it's either be eaten I think that that motor is gonna be engaged Fulltime and i think he's gonna be a guy who's who's pretty effective as at the next level and maybe even more so than he was at this level terrific background. I appreciate the time. Cody thanks so much for having. Tony worship is the host of the. Hey fighting podcast and part of the lsu digital communications department. We are done Back of tomorrow. Tony and i had the first hour of cincy three sixty at noon. I return at three. Oh five thanks to taryn for producing the show. Thanks to you for listening to it. Have a great night. This is espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sports station.

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5-6-21 - Mo Egger With Shayne Graham

Mo Egger

14:45 min | 3 months ago

5-6-21 - Mo Egger With Shayne Graham

"Four twenty on. Espn fifteen thirty moa. We've spent the week obviously talking about players the bengals took in the two thousand twenty one. Nfl draft and some eyebrows raised when with a fifth round. Pick the bengals. Used it on kicker. Evan mcpherson from florida. Who gets the endorsement. The ringing endorsement from a guy who coached him at florida last year and a familiar name too familiar named like fans of half the teams in the league because he kicked for like everybody but mainly in cincinnati. He is still the team's all time leader. Accuracy coach evan mcpherson last year at florida as a quality control coach on special teams Shayne graham with us. It's good to have you how are you. I'm doing very well. Thank you for having me. You know how this works right. A team uses a fifth round. Pick on a kicker and people go yes could you have gotten him in college free agency. Could you have taken them later. What about evan mcpherson justified. The use of a fifth round. Pick well you know. I i completely agree with most people and i can tell you back when i was a rookie. I would've agreed. Because i did not get drafted myself but you know sometimes you come across guys that you know if you're looking to get the best guy you can. Have you know. Sometimes you have to jump in front line and get him and you know if you know for a fact that you want to have somebody that you can count on You know it's always a gamble. But you look at a guy. Like evan. And i think that they solid. He's pro day. How good he was you know i. I you know. Kind of sent darren some film earlier in the year. That was pretty impressive. And you know. I've kind of been talking up all along. Just what a good kid. He was in general. How hard worker. He was mentally strong. He was just all the things that i thought. We're gonna make him successful. And i think it was just the perfect storm for him to end up with their. Because you know darin one of the best coaches you can have for a special teams the longest tenured special teams coach in the nfl since two thousand and three and he knows what he's doing and you know we all fall prey to human error. You know we all miss kicks every now and then we all make mistakes every now and then but i think darren's done a good job with every guy that he's had and you know even when i had my mistakes their daring a good job with me and helped me come back from them and i learned a lot of lessons when i left there and i can tell you that. Getting evan was probably one of the the best moves. They could've made as far as getting specialist because he's just he's physically talented beyond measure and his his mental toughness and his mental confidence and everything is just so impressive to see. And i think that's something that people are going to find out what they get to nothing. Tell me about the first time you had a chance to watch him kick so obviously it was on film Before i even got to florida. I you know started doing a little research on on the guy just so i can kinda learn a little bit about the players. I was going to be around and it looked good but you know in film. It's so hard to truly tell but the first practice and mind you. Those practices were delayed for so long. Because it co. But i didn't get a chance to see even spring ball and get a chance to same in summer workouts in near that stuff so that first time he comes out and kick it was like holy cow. I mean you know. I'm thinking about me kicking. You know just four or five years before that's still in the nfl. And i'm like this kid. This kid would have rung me off the and any no honestly I felt physically. I was stronger. The older i got like in my upper thirties. I was stronger than when i was in my twenties and even in my time in cincinnati just from chinese different learning lessons just all kinds of things that i think made me better later. But you know this kid. Just the ball comes off his foot and it's such a pure clean hit. I mean if you've ever goff you hit that perfect shot. You know anyone can tell you that. Perfect shot that just feels so pure. That's what almost every ball off his foot. Looks like and feels like. And i think that's what makes your marquee kickers or the guy who hit same ball every time and when that same bala. Just pure as the ball he hits. You can't ask for more. You talked about darren. Simmons who has a great reputation in his capacity now for almost twenty years. your relationship. Darrin simmons predates his time in cincinnati and yours. What can somebody like him. Due for a kicker trying to make his way into the nfl. Well i think the key thing there is that darren has a background all of football. Not just Football in general because most special teams coordinators probably some point played football but not many of them were actually a specialist and darren was a high level at the university of kansas. But darren also played quarterback in high school played quarterback and doing your college and you know it was just very phenomenal athlete. If you if you ever get a chance to see practice you'll probably see darren throwing the ball and You know he he likes to show off every now and then i still give him a hard time but You know. I actually was a part of the specialist family as as a specialist themselves understands that there is. There's an amount of time that you're able to work on your craft before it becomes too much and you have to understand the workload management that comes along with one leg swinging and over and over and the same movement. It's like a pitcher. You can't just throw a pitcher's arm until it falls off that that's not. What makes them better. It's it's quality over quantity and it's very purposeful management of of that motion. And that's something that they understood. And i always respected that when i was with him because he always knew like. Hey it's time to shut it down. You know your limits be honest with yourself all these kinds of things that a lot of coaches try to learn but because he actually did it he truly understands it gets it with with. Evan talked about his mental makeup. You reference to his demeanor. Great kickers missed kicks. You had a great career. You missed kicks. it happens How important is it to have the right mental makeup coming into the nfl. When you know at some point in some situation you're going to miss. Well i think knowing that you have to trust your process and trusting your process is what is it within your routine in your process. It's going to make you successful and give you the results that you want and the people that have learned to do that at some point in their life are the ones that can find the most success I found it in spurts. Like i would go up and down. I'm sure at times and had that process completely trusted. And i would believe in it. And i never worried about the result. Well with evan. T is always worried about the process and not the result so never lived in fear of that result and the fear of that result ultimately comes down to being. Is this gonna make it or may or miss it. And if you're so afraid of missing that it's creeping into your thoughts then it's ultimately going affect what you're doing in your process so if you focus on that part then you're always gonna gator. Checks a slight disadvantage. You know i. I kinda compare it to if you're playing golf on a par three on an island par-three surrounded by water. If you come up to the tee box and you say okay this from surrounded by water do i use my five dollar probey one golf ball or do i use my xl. You know that. I found it in the water on the last hole right. Because you don't care if you miss and you're losing a cheat ball well if you line up or if you t that ball up and you up that x. out ball because you think it might go in the water then you've already defeated yourself but if you line up and you put that probably won the t and you think this provia want's gonna give me the best chance to hit my best ball at the best shot. Then you're worried about your results more than you're worried. I'm sorry you're worried about the process of your swing your hit more than you're worried about missing the ball missing the head or whatever you're gonna do wrong so he's a guy that just goes into every single practice and he's worried about what he's doing versus what's going to happen because of what he does and i've i've seen and i've seen the smile on his face at the at the at a time when he's worried about the next kick and keeping his confidence versus beating himself up over a bad kick and you know one thing that that made it fun to work with. Him is knowing what his talent level was. He got to learn from my mistakes and he got the here a lot of stories about situational football and things that you know. He can be prepared for that. He's going to be asked questions by darren at some point and he's going to see during games at some point that i was able to give to him during my time with him but he also got to learn from mistakes and you know one of the big things i told him is there were times during my career when things were great and and i was on top of the world and there were times when things were not very good because i missed a kick. That was a very important kick or whatever and whether it be you know. I kick to get us into the playoffs against pittsburgh in two thousand Think it was two thousand six. Maybe that was a big down. A big downplay like Low spot in my career. And i learned from it and i got better and i moved on passed it but that point. I needed something like that happening. As much as i hate saying it. It made me a better player There were other points like my last game as a bingo was probably the lowest point in my whole entire football career and i was so torn up over that moment that happened in that playoff game that one of the biggest regrets i ever have in my career was i was so torn up that i showered as fast as i could and i got out of the locker room. Assassins i could and didn't give the media chance to interview me. And i have to eat that every every night i have to think about man i really screwed that up and i've regretted it ever since and you know. I love to say that. I could apologize to everybody in the media and all the fans in cincinnati. But i you know i done that to a degree but yet the best way for me to make amends to that is to make sure that some young guy has a lot of talent that might be in that position. One time down. The road knows from my mistakes. So he's heard all the stories of like. Hey this is how i screwed up. If you're ever in this in this situation don't do what i did you know and and to me that means a lot because i know that he has a chance to be better than me and so many different ways. But that's just that's my role as a coach and that's why i love coaching. So much is because not only. Do i get to try to help them better. But i get the help them get better by learning from my mistakes as well. You know as the bengals fan. You don't have to apologize for the. Oh nine playoff game you do have to apologize for making the four kicks against the bengals in the postseason for the you know. I won't lie That game didn't mean a lot to me. And i saw some of the funny remarks on twitter after the game. They're like yeah. This guy still kicking us out of the playoffs that you know i get it. I get it you know it was it was a it was a touchy subject for a little bit but You know i needed that. Because you know maybe marvin was right. He he said that. I might have had some demons in my and my and my head after that game and i think that definitely helped You know clean out some of those demons and You know exercise the demons we can say and that really helped me going forward but you know i. I've always had a soft spot for cincinnati. I i still consider. Obviously i wanted to retire bingo. And i've always kind of considered cincinnati as a second home for myself and you know that's always a place. It's going to be very special to me. I think back to your last season. It's kind of remarkable because at the end of the oh nine year they changed long snappers midway through the season. It was clark harris. Took over for brad. Saint louis clark is not only still here but he just signed a contract. Extension kevin yet. Kevin huber was her holder. I think your last two years obviously still here and just signed the contract extension. So your your guy. Evans going to walk into a where. The kicking team. The long snapper in the holder have been intact and together for a long time. How much can something like that. help him. You know having that sort of continuity and consistency is is one of the things that's very paramount into having Confidence because when you know you have confidence in the operation around you It's just one one gear in the machine that you have to worry about because there's so many moving parts you have to deal with including your own technique and fundamentals. But you have these other parts. That are moving around you but the the less you have to think about all these other moving parts at just really narrows your focus down to a very small focal point. And it makes it easier for him to focus on his process and and not have to worry about those extraneous variables shane. This has been awesome. I appreciate the feedback in the input and the stories. This has been great. Thank you so much absolutely. Yes sir thank you.

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Spittin' Chiclets Episode 327: Featuring Shayne Corson

Spittin' Chiclets

3:19:01 hr | 4 months ago

Spittin' Chiclets Episode 327: Featuring Shayne Corson

"Hello everybody episode. Three hundred and twenty seven of spitting checketts presented by pink whitney from our friends at new vodka here in the boston. Sports podcast family. What's going on everybody. Where about two thirds through the season fans starting to get back in belden still have some playoff races. That are gonna go down the wire a fun time and hockey right now. Lots of sports on tap. Let's check the boys. I produce a mighty granola nyc. What's going on man. What's going on guys Big week for me. I was featured in the minnesota all all hair teams video this week. Pretty big accomplishments always excited about that. And we also have the pink whitney cup. So i'm excited. I was trying to bury the lead there on your g. Meghan appearance in the hit video. But that congratulations on. That was good. Good stuff if you haven't seen yet the minnesota here video anyone who follows hockey should be familiar with now. We'll tweet from the account. Is it the same dude. Who was doing the peroxide. Jesus early days guy. Yeah that yeah. Are they still cranking out like the old times or or z. Recycling a lot of the same phrases. It's a little bit but he's he's still killing it man he's awesome. I think it's john king is his name okay. We got a post had to have watched those early days with. Yeah i did not listen. I don't wanna be debbie downer right off the bat honest guy. Actually one of my buddies said to me this week grenell. Here's the worst hair. i defended you. Bet you didn't even think about it this all video. This is comes wet to this worst worse bucket but this kid just keep going for a good here the guy that ripped on me. No no then fuck this guy. How can you say that this. I m happy for you. It was just very funny. That's how the show. Just start to kind of a less this grenell. He's here is terrible and forty hours later recording and boom on the all hair t. We should get him up. We should get granola blow out. We should send them. You know those girls get the blowouts we should get one to see like what topnotch pure flow you can possibly have and we got to get the people to rate it because like listen. I'll be quite frank. I was nothing that really ever popped out to me like. Hey he's got the fuck a nice sal fuck off right off. I have the best hair by far on this podcast covering up into the team including me. Give me jimmy. Three more months to get out of this awkward phase. And i think i could outdo you no chance no chance. This is where you guys are creating a narrative that doesn't exist gorgeous hair. Erica flights weeks little my hand. I think it's like thin. But it's law kayla's quest. That's lundquist released. That picture him and kevin weeks. He gave his first interview and about five months. I think he said how good your four weeks he. I love not standing next to. He looks as good as ever go. Check it out. It looks like maybe like he could be like an older james bond. He is james mom. He does stop you in your tracks like when we had them into the camp camping out in san jose. It's like you catch yourself looking down. Because he's he's such a handsome specimen so he's a male version of them bought us created it allowed. Just shoot they just fire bullets out there. Nipples those fem bots. I just got. I gotta get on his like tanning routine matt. He's just you know he's always got that perfect hand not spray tan with his name from the hikes. His ain't washing off in the shower. Stick for girl like him and chellios mastered the tan. How the have always looked so fucking dan. i think he's just like a dark skin. Yeah he's got the genetics help. He's greek grade. Yeah he's greek. Yeah i just found. A greek has a different easter. Yeah yeah it gets a month or something. And i. I bet i guess they just rip it up. I was told like. I know it sounds like a banger. If you're greek. But i just learned that as well i mean i think they crush lamb. Don't what's what's the kind of throw a call from somebody. So maybe they were just totally guessing. Don't hold me. To the greek orthodox greek orthodox now. This lambs definitely involved. All it is. It's a huge huge huge bump to go to greece me too man. I'd never love to the islands off the coast to like weaken Cyprus i could picture. Ra they're turning it into like his new daytona ripping it up in the greek islands. Sailing cancun was my baby. Can't coon so young. they're now. When i went there i was what is no cancun. Street in daytona beach biz. Don't let cancun night. Once a four four separate times all one of them was more like just someone had a cheap fucking cheap lodge and so he flew down your liked to all inclusive. God guaranteed every trip. You've been on. You've gone all inclusive correct. Nah not only died. Hedonism might have been my only all inclusive in the cruise to the crews. We did when we got on the run boat. Kazaa boatlift and i dressed up in the lease of the cabinet. And i don't know how can you talk. I don't know how many times i could say it on it. Spitting chocolates fifty if you go on a cruise urine absolute bag of trash. Those things are the wars. And i have some people i hold near and dear to my heart that love him but i'll tell your trash for going on one ninety three twenty eight years ago. I haven't been on one so i was going. We're all figuring it which just want to say that people. Yeah people people can go on them and enjoy them but deep down. They know their trash. Your your like your cattle. You're being your cattle on this big ship. You're going dinnertime. y'all wait line. We fear dinner. What do you do now. Oh i guess. We got to go to the casino. Oh it's the morning. Let's go by the pool. You just follow each other around to these events on shit. Bizarro lamps right. I if don't get back in time the you'll get stuck on seven mile beach in la like game and something if you don't hurry up back. I'm pretty sure. If i went on a cruise i would actually be fine staying on that. I stop jamaica. I'm going to grab a hotel room. Guys back to the dossier and never i'll see is then. I said we have lots of popular sports event ordering jack was like fuck this shit. I'm out of here say. Nah i'm good man. Enjoy the cruise. Rose fucking dip and i'm gonna fuck the octa down in a in a club below my my octopus. That'd be careful that yeah. We had some converts on that. But like i was saying we got lots of popular sports events coming up. Show grab some pink whitney. It's great for the game and the after party head over to your local liquor store. Today to find pink whitney and the new three hundred and seventy five million mickey size bottle and biz a big fan of those able to take them where he kinda stickman. Your pocket somewhere. If you're gonna share it brought a few overdue. Ray whitney's house. He had us over for easter. I got to where we can't get into the talk just yet because there's gonna be a lot of the back end but we got to see jordan speed myself commodore rain. I love that guy the to falker who ended up breaking our winning streak and the goddamn sand bagger. Because what a what a commodore sandbag sega sand bagger. I wonder if they would have invited you overhead. We beaten them Pity hey biz come over for easter assault bingo. Yeah come on over. Have some stake orlando. The wizards wife kept match that video. Over so great i join it was like so much about. Your land. Tastes like shit. Yeah all right. Fuck you out of here. Katie we're going relieving. We got sandbagged but it was good seeing them and we got the jordan spieth when the his first tournament since two thousand seventeen so that was cool. We'll get into that a little bit later but it was a great easter. What about you were you chasing the young guy around after having all the eggs with a tough moment for your boy wit so huge family gatherings probably the first time like everyone's been together. My wife has an enormous family. There's probably thirty kids there so everyone hadn't seen each other in over a year right and for the most part and so we get in there. You're saying hi to everyone. It's so it's so good to see you catch up. And i see like a small group of Family members including brie my wife and they are just laugh. And i'm like this can't be good because they're kind of looking at me and laughing. They have a picture over there of the last sister. We were all together. I got the same on this. There's another picture of christmas eve. I get the same guard. Put on. I have no style. I got like three close. So i was just getting tortured for my get up Probably some trips towards the hair. That i didn't even hear so yeah. It was tough easter overall. For my for my ego. I'll say just getting dominated by the whole entire family. Should we get your stylist. I need. I need somebody to send me so many clothes. And then i'll try to keep what i like and i'll send it back. Just send me the label back. So i don't have to go to fedex or ups because everyone knows it's all going to fedex and ups. That's tough. That's a tough errand when i get given that chore it can take an hour and a half right so if you send me close to send me close and i'll pick out what i want to keep and send back and then you charge before i keep your saying going there. Filling out the label. Wait in the line. All that lures. It's the worst dude. It's that's one where just keep pushing back then also clock and there's an uproar hundred person line. They'll do it next week and next thing you know it takes a couple of months. Yeah no. I hate the label shit the fedex sells candy and stuff. Now it's great you go up there and m. and m.'s. You can at least snack on while you're waiting in a thirty minute line to send a t shirt back. That's why they do it. It's like the movie theater. Just kinda rope you. And we're talking about the cattle again and next thing i'm basically i'm basically a cruise go or when it comes to fedex. There you go. You get any easter trips with the as maybe like our cost them somewhere. I get chirps about the ears. Single day are a. It doesn't matter if it's easter it doesn't matter if it's mickey mouse. National holiday doesn't matter. If it's christmas people coming at me about the years i've learned to really accept it. What are you gonna do. I was down with these years. They kind of make me who. I am just own it. That's all wasn't a speaking honing. Sorry ari as you see that little prank. Stray hand pulled michael strahan all that he got. Yeah we here. He kept plan. An april fools joke it. Will he planned it like three days ahead. It's like dude. April fools gotta just be you know. You can't try to set it up weeks in advance has to be all done that day. I yeah i feel like people still like to participate in and make it a thing and a lot of times. It's landing flat is that the feeling are the fools joke at this stage the game where all a little bit older. It's kind of a relevant. I mean unless you work with younger kids young kids at some point. But i mean the only april fools thing i even heard was one of the local stations said julian edelman got traded around which didn't even seem like an implausible thing and then later i was told i was just april fools joke which i don't know it just seems kinda played out i think if you're fucking ten years old of age. We're just like buzz. Kills little no fun for anybody. Where a lot of fine it just. I don't know you guys bring me down and make me speak in a fine like this week. Not a ton of huge news. Obviously we'll get through it in a few minutes so we we figured we'd bring on one about awesome guests This was a relatively new interview. Had chain costs and on a few weeks ago. He was outstanding. We're not bringing them all right now bringing them on a little later but we figured it. What the little bit of news this week. We wanna bring a a What is it a slob inaugura interview. Also shayne corson. It's classic knocker globally learning a movie. I know what slobber knocker is that how you describe something. Great sides of job. I was saying lisa and and that's lauber. Meaning that's these gotten is. Google sound slava a violent collision experienced by a person a violent physical confrontation. That was a real slobber knocker of a football game so i'll take it rate in courts style hockey. Yes maybe that's what i was thinking of. Because he had a slob knock and it gives a hell of a rents swab. It's not even waiting dot com wetter perfection. Were you want dictionary dot com. I just googled it. And then it popped up on wick wick dot. Org good seattle. I've i don't even know if it's a real course and was was unreal. You guys are really going to enjoy that one. This guy is old school they get. I'm glad to hear he's doing really well and faulk. What a what. A guy stories home epoch stuff. He played in quite the era. Now you guys are gonna definitely look looking forward to the day. I get to have beers with this guy and just hear the here. Are the old school wrestling stories. Yeah you might be the next time. He's in boston. Might have thought go and have a couple of pops on all right boys. Let's let's take a look at the old. Nhl action the central division. We get props. The florida. they had a four weeks since we last talked won six straight to take over the division lee defenseman. Aaron glad he's going to be twelve weeks after successful surgery on the left leg fracture which i guess is pretty good news considering the way donald look like we might not see them for a long time and who knows twelve weeks. Depending on how florida does we could potentially seem Early in the summer Go spend the night. He signed his entry level. Deal with the panthers. After completing his sophomore season he was holding. A one of the hobie finalist issue now. They have the list of ten than they would down at three. He was on that list of ten. He was taken thirteenth overall in two thousand nineteen draft and share hebrew. Five hundred game which he actually played last year. They celebrated it saturday the saturday night. It was actually pretty cool. Each players. Nameplate in the office was spelled in cyrillic. The russian language there what you know cyrillic in at number five hundred on it but the team's got him biz a safari to tanzania for a gift and africa. All my good. I would love to go on a safari. Pau you ever. Would you ever see all hundred percent i would. I would definitely definitely do that all. Okay i thought you were. Isn't he world one. Which is actually geico's a ten minute ride fidalgo or minute. Wait on on on our not comparing disneyland. These three monster lines a full blown. Be the same size as the real safari. Go on and africa. That was staring over at the casinos elephants. The elephants had a baby things hunt and looking down at the baby so i saw like safari esque. I obviously want to do the real thing. The big the big bang the africa trip. The flight is a monster. The i'm not sure about the i. Think fifteen sixteen hours. Maybe i've done australia so i could go to africa. Are you would definitely do safari hundred percent one hundred percent i still. I still have only been to europe. Once i was ireland. I i still have really been that five. That's the furthest east. I've gone from the england. I would love to go to an african safari man. That'll be unreal. Checkout elephants probably one of the most underrated an animals. Could you say that's a fair statement like how intelligent they are. They don't get enough credit. I think people who shoot elephants should get shot and then next to the dead elephant and then have a pig out take notes asia of the tusks from the other elephants. And i wanted to say that there's like elephants can be kind of looked at as like not the king of kings. The lion elephants high up there in terms of the respect level in the jungle. Elephants i do these guys have been around a while the monsters they drag their family around and if you mess with them they'll stop your heading so i'm not positive but i think there's something telling me. Elephants are very very respected. i would say that they. They compete for king of the jungle. Although you just said that the lions yeah i mean. I don't know there's a there's a lion end up killing an elephant in a bare knuckle brawl guerrillas up there to guerrilla. Isn't gorilla king of the jungle while deadlines don't actually live in the jungle. Which is kinda funny you. They call the king of the jungle. But they're more more live on like the every the planes google elephants respect level. Everybody everybody seems to think that grizzly bears are very underrated as well. As far as in an animal fighting kingdom we should do like a bracket of who who of the animals fighting each other so guerilla one of the types of guerrillas. Would for sure be in there. You gotta put a grizzly bear. You gotta do put a lion and a tiger Probably the lion over the tug. Is there some type crazy. Type of tiger has a black belt and shit. Now where food bengals cool looking adult. Elephants spent sixteen hours a day eating. They require up to three hundred kilograms of food and one hundred sixty liters of water each day. And here's the one thing that i think really leads into my idea of them being topnotch african elephant has the largest brain in the animal kingdom. It can weigh up to five kilograms. This is amazing when you consider how much does an elephant way. Asian elephants way about fifty four hundred kilograms and african elephants way up to six thousand kilograms exclamation point. The human brain however is larger when measured as proportion of our total body weight. So maybe they're not as smart as i'm giving them credit for but god all leathery skin looking toss square and big ass note fucking shit and walking around. Well i love elephants. I there's a saying to memory like an elephant. I think that they have the best memories as far as the animals stortini. Y'all at it often enough. i remember it. Yeah they can mcintyre yelled what they do. I've seen it like they might be. You know met somebody years prior and then they'll get their todd their trunk and they can smell the hand and they they recognize like somebody from this smell like twenty s later. It's highly intelligent animals. So stop fucking shoot widows now. We can't agree on that Where we talking. We were talking about the florida. Panthers wallow funny enough who talking about the big cats. I don't know if there was anything else. You wanted to add all archives back off injury. He right back in the lineup being dominant. I think he had a goal and an apple. The other game dmitri filipov ick posted like all the highlights from the game. It's he's just he's just such a bizarre player to watch not a lot of guys do it like he doesn't and it's just like it's fun to watch that i think after rabovsky start i think at one point i call them the worse goalie in the nhl on this show this season right things have turned around and then the news above leads brutal but quickly already i. Yeah i was like oh. This could be a year so when i saw through three months. It was like wow. That's good but still like such a bummer. But that team. I mean they're continuing to win and the thing about that entire division. I actually think more than any other division in the league that benefits you the most finishing first because every other division. You're still playing like montreal on the north in the in the central division. if it's tampa florida you're either going against nashville. Dallas those are the two teams. I think fighting for four spot. Or if your second you getting carolina right. It's tough carolina. I don't wanna play carolina. Get them away from me. First round so that division dallas in nashville will definitely be a big time. Underdog against whoever wins it. I agree with that. yeah do you think. Do you think florida without without making a move. Our guy in the back end. You think that they're going to be able to win that division. I would have said no. I didn't think they were gonna make the playoffs and now there are up there. I think they got a game in hand. Tampa does but there are a couple of points on them. I mean what's to say. They're going to slow down especially if a brodsky's now heating up would you make a move for defenseman. If you're florida right now. I would try to do something and i people have mentioned like they could possibly actually shop. A dreary rieger reader trigger. I don't know. I'm saying the goal is named correctly. Apologize but i don't think so because who knows you need your your buyers. Now you want to keep that safety net. And i think if you look at getting a demand i'm looking into every possible option if the gm their zito but there's not as much options out there for defense often. There's somebody over adler somebody's said alec sadler. But i ain't over. They all have covered right now. Yeah holy totally different situation. Yeah i mean. Go ahead right so i don't know if you wanna trade region i mean i like you said from playing a lot better lately but Redrawn the eleven four two o. Five goals against a nine three one percentage. I mean he's been the number one goalie for that squad. So i don't know that trade and emma something that you'd want to do a bit of a blind though because it's going to be tough to get out of that division having to go through especially if you don't finish i try to be carolina and then tampa to get out alive. I don't know i. I think you gotta you gotta you gotta do something. You gotta make You gotta make a move for someone on the back end. If you can even get me. One guy just mentioned carolina and peter. Meraz come back. Did you guys have the press release. That carolina came out with. They copied the style. Michael jordan when he came back back now to the bulls like ninety five. Just a tour. i'm back. I mean it's pretty funny kind of ballsy. Tudela copy joined. Buddy comes back him. Rusher gets a shutout his first start since january thirtieth all free ones this. She's had he's been injured obvious. All three of his winds have been shut out so far this year. So i guess he can support every once in a statement if he keeps putting up donuts. Yeah. that's legit rhyme. Rymere's done a good job there. The i mean like when he went down. You're kind of wondering what what was going to happen with that team. Even though their offense so good and then now that meraz back. It's just like all right. We got through that time. we're okay. Who was the young kid. I can't think of his name. That was great the ghalia an adult belkevich benefits. Yeah the okaba show. Yeah him and rymer really carry the load. I was questioned their goal tending coming in. That was the one thing i used against them. So every time they just start lighting it up. I got a bunch of so then they go you acting like michael jordan's probably kind of proven you wrong. Yeah just stuff it up. Your hoop is We we gotta definitely dab up the nashville predators. They've won seven of eight. Nine of their last eleven they catapulted in the fourth place Roman yoshiji playing out of his mind. But this kid ille- tolkien. We've been hearing about them folk for quite a while. He's finally now regular lineup. Ten goals nine assistant dirty games. Kids were getting it done. And also their goaltender pecker any started off. He was struggling quite a bit. But he's round that out his game nicely and yushi sarah's He was always kind of the. Let's see our what's next next guy line. What's the one thing that successful a any. He's been playing out of tits. She eleven seven with a two two seven. Nine two eight nashville. This is a team. We were pronounced dead talking about coaching jobs. Free agent front office changes and now they're they're right back in the thick of the radio biz. So that kid. You just mentioned they were playing them enough early on. He came over from overseas right and told them yet. Twelve in an end when i was easter brunch with wiz and the guys don't even mention it. He's like he's yeah once they figured out how good this kid wasn't they started giving them regular license. Slotting him in the right place you know things started turning around and you know they maybe had some some guys early on who are really struggling like joe hats and it's been been playing a little bit better as late as well so their depth at center ice is helping him so overall they are humming right now and dec- this young guy finally get the time he deserves and i think it was mentioned. Before but eco home all the all but certain won't be traded. Now he was the one demand that a lot of people were talking about but yeah. It's good that they've picked it up. And i think it was last episode. We did say that shows to patients. And why sometimes you as as many fans scream. Fire the coach get rid of them. It's like wait it out and wait it out and look like a fool or it can turn around exactly like you pictured it would and i think that's kind of the case right now where he's looking at the raw show. We are so much better than how we're playing at some point. This has to switch and turn for us and it has some other news heads sunday night. Rick bowness coach dallas. He actually left the game. After the second period. I do a covert protocols. He has been vaccinated. He's got both his shots per the gm dodge jim but they think it was a false positive but out of safety concerns he was pulled. Just you know this this stuff. We've been co well. the players league have been culpa head. I mean but i've never seen a coach not return for the third period. They did end up losing the game. They were losing what he left assistant. John stevens took over dallas though. I mean they're not out of it. Either they still got three games in hand. On chicago in nashville. We mentioned before. They've had the covert issues but five points back plus three game and hands. Three games in hand will see what goes on there. What you ever see anything like that coach. Not finishing a game in the nhl. No i i mean besides getting kicked out of the game by aref no. I don't remember that. I mean i don't know the whole covert situation is just like it. It's really hard to figure out. I mean it looks so good and can't all of a sudden vancouver's had this crazy outbreak. And you understand if something's going on whether it's a false test or not. It's like just safe than sorry. But i don't remember a coach just shutting it down in the middle of the game unless you're talking about the varsity blues coach. What was his name bud kilmer. He was a wreck and then they booed him when they were trying to put the needle in. What's his name elbow or whatever it was that that would always being that whip. Br that was at the running back. Yeah you shut your mouth if you knew what was good for your says bill. I don't know but that's the last time a coach hasn't finished the game. Vassallo vossen blues dig. That's an old school one. There's a lotta great scenes whipped cream bikini teacher who came out for a strip hall. Oh yeah choose. She saw all the boys. Chris jury sandpaper finish rounded tall. You're got saturn. That's a pattern. Right there shish launcher columbus blue jackets. They've lost seven eight. Just one point eight games fallen down on the standings in the central division. Jack russell was a health bomb on saturday. He only had two points as previous six games. He did return the lineup. Sunday had two shots on goal in little over twelve minutes Put the real big news out of columbus was from brandon. Dubinsky this guy. He is on long term injured reserve. But he's still a part of the columbus organization He went on the garage beers. Podcast this week and basically had some words facilit- i i'll take lovie. Every day of the week. I would never ask for stick. Fox said he said Obviously he's had avary with them. They played quite a bit over. The as he said quote stitches wind way too much in. Just shut up. Played hod actually. He tweeted that again. These guys have a history but this is unusual. I mean technically active play. I know he's injured reserve. He got into the whiskey that night before he took garage beers before he knows beers wit. I'll let you take it. I know a knows vodkas. This i actually think maybe i've met you been ski. I i actually met him at muirfield. He doesn't give a fuck like he. He could have been dead sober. He's got plenty of money. Now that surprise everyone was so shocked. I guess the openly said it but those to hate hate each other. I'm not saying anything off. The is i have no. I'm just talking. no serious. Though is dirty hits. They were going after each other. There was no holds barred chirping. So dubinsky obviously hate said now. The question is like if you asked thousand or one hundred thousand hockey fans out there like who's better like. Who would you take cross bureau of skin. I think at sixty four close right. I mean they can't him he kind of came out the next day and was like hey i picked ovechkin like i dunno like you put up their numbers and yes. It's it's very close now. I right away. i'm across guy. It's like well. He's he's played like one hundred and sixty games in the same amount of points hundred and sixty games or sids number. One hundred eighty points. I think are one hundred ninety points. So that's how many would be ahead of them. But right health part of it health carbon woulda coulda shoulda so. I think that being across the guy. I'm openly aware that if you talk in history like there will be people who would rather have had lovie right. Am i am crazy. I think if you're a general manager and you could go back after seeing the entire body of work i would say far more number of people intelligently on the hockey side of it would take across it. Y'all i'm saying fans though fans. It's different because like like going back to what he was talking about. It's like i think since. Been pretty open about the fact that yeah early on he was definitely complaining too much to officials but keep in mind. He went from playing in the quebec major junior league to now playing in a league. That where it was still kind of accepting due to if fucking mcdavid was getting the treatment that crosby was when he came off it fucking do people would be losing their minds. That sounds like a. We sound like old men. Yelling cloud but crosby was getting absolutely dummied behind the play and granted he would play create. There's been little elbow him in. The face wasn't called at the beginning. He's like i'm getting abused. let's put it this way. i bet you been skewed. Probably even admit to being like yeah. I was planning to fuck and try to put him out. He might even admit to that right. That's that's like a mindset that he was taken runs atom like anything to get his head out of the game. This maybe maybe. I judged it too far. And he would. He wasn't trying to not injure injure him but like trying to knock them out and try to get with a good clean pop. Is that a fair. That's probably fair. Comment and fucking. that's pretty. that's pretty pretty dark way to approach the game. I don't think a lotta guys approach it like that as much like that anymore. So like as so like on one side on mike. We'll faulk if i'm the player who got to put the puck on the back of the net. And i gotta deal with this guy chasing around trying to take my fucking head off. Yeah probably going to be barking to an official more than than than enormous shed right but as his careers progress. I think that he's eased up on that but also the league is gone in a completely different direction to where to a better degree. Do they protect their stars. Would you would you agree. That's a fair assessment Yeah i still don't think they do a good enough job okay. That's a fair comment. But it was a bit more no holds bar if a guy was skating around the ice trying to treat mcdavid in a playoff series. The way that dubinsky was chasing around said i be different. It would be different. It would be different. So it's just like there's there's there's so much like hate their that boiled over from them competing. I mean. I don't think said gives a fuck. Were inskeep thanks in and vice versa. But yeah it was. It was definitely interesting to hear him. Go public with it and just by thinking about it this past week. Do you think it's a pretty fair assessment of how i broke it down. Yeah that was good. I just looking at the argument of crosby verse ovechkin. It's like a center versus a winger like amazing goal scorer but said really didn't take any nights off lovie as amazing as it was and some of these nights off we probably scored but sid never had those clips of like early in the career. Like just not back checking. That wasn't the case so bingo getting to experience it and play with it is is obviously makes me very bias teaching and i think that watching ovechkin like the last ten years as opposed to the. I like whatever. It was six or seven. It's definitely changed. I think he actually takes way less nights off than he used to when he was younger. So it's a great argument but certainly dubinsky has reason to Hate playing against sit and no series that they play. I don't know how many times columbus played pittsburgh. Pittsburgh didn't lose them but they they kick the shit out of each other and they didn't have much left moving forward. Don't think either one of the penguins cups the back to back years they played columbus could be way off on that. Watch this. it's going to be both time but it was. Yeah and also the rangers stuff too because mean he's one of the few guys that make makes it actually drop his gloves and fight and also those. The highlight hank. Linquist was kinda gave hank just a little bit of a wack. But enough that you know. He's going to get defended by his teammates defense. He was the first one in on him there so anyways. Thanks for the clicks the click into biscuits old. I don't wanna take anything away from dubinsky as a player. Though i thought he fucking hell of a player and his best definitely a very overlook guy but he went to war every night and i got a lot of respect for his game going back to the people i think recency bias has a little bit to do with it and the fact that over the last cop. He's kinda like that fun loving guy. You're seeing these clips a hallway. Always a beauty knows always one of the boys but yeah early in the early days. I got yeah your. He didn't sacrifice. I think enough for the betterment of the team and yeah maybe took took nights off so it was you know it was a little easier to be more critical of him early on as opposed to maybe now. Just one last footnote on that too job. Buddy jeff. barrack tweeted that when crosby on their podcast thirty-one thoughts that he said he regretted complainants so much early in his career. So jack chuck that in there as well but all right gangs gang gang times. It's tough and worrying about your student. Loan payments doesn't make things any easier. That's where refinancing with ernest could help. Ernest office low rate student. Loan refinancing and you can check your rates. Risk free in just two minutes with ernest. You radically flexible. You get radically flexible payments and you can pick your own term by refinancing. You can reduce your loan term. 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Loan stuff will get you driven crazy if you can consolidate it by all means you want to do it. What's up when we Talked about columbus. We've got sucked into the dubinsky thing. as far as the team's concerned all man they've been i thought they were going to be like the that undercover team coming in but that do watch trade is is looking even worse and worse as the days go on. They are so thin up the middle. They don't have any they don't have they don't have anything close to a first line center. And they're getting destroyed can't produce offense at all now line as i say he's been a dog he's just he's just like the whole foods like the whole team's been stripped of their confidence line. Dude that's not out to bosnia and that is best in winnipeg but there's like compete level there that you really don't see from line. He had another turnover sunday. Just lead directly to a goal. It's like there's just so many times that guy and now torch obviously probably shouldn't say obviously probably can't stand him and you can tell there's already been friction there. The team isn't doing well. I don't think towards will be back right. He's his contract ends. It's like then. What are we doing with line here. You're gonna figure what's going to happen. There's just so many different questions. It just turned out that it wasn't their season. And you like when you look at the gm. He's the last guy i blame caroline and he's done a lot of great things there and fuck. You can't help but when all these guys wanna leave he's bringing good players in a lot of them. Don't want to stay. So what are you gonna do. I mean i think that you're gonna look this year. Maybe a new coach next year. And i don't even know if torch wants to go back right like who knows that guy's getting older for such a long time. Does he still want to be in. Nhl coach. i think he'll have a job if he wants one. I mean it seems like in these never going away. Shit i got tag. I forgot to put it in the l. wide. Someone found an old story about towards the night. The tampa bay won the cup. He drove home alone. He didn't know that there was a party going on the crash. I guess like nobody said into like. I don't know if it was deliberate. If it was like a freeze out just it was an oversight aqap and just drove mine loan. the night. He won the cup. He said he did had no idea. There was a party upstairs. Because it was like a restaurant kinda sorta hidden room away party. I said i drove home alone. And now and that was it because somebody tag me in it and like like basically how the fuck did you find out about this party. And that's the funny 'cause i was blackout drunk across the street and i still got in the building instill found out where the party was. And this guy codes and no fucking sold them where it was. So i kind of felt bad for the guy like jim cup party story. Ra goes the his tortorella. Basically were there his honor they boss I like tea. Cbs show was blocked but he he had his little pass on. He was how he had the todarello. Pass that's why. I didn't fuck and find out about it. One of my life's great mysteries. Finding out how i got back in that building but few minutes ago boys we did mentioned vancouver canucks absolutely decimated by cova. They right now as recording time. Sixteen players on the protocol protocols. They've had four games postpone. Some guys needed iv treatment. Some of said that being quote rough shape They asset through your thursday vs calgary. They've got a bunch of games rescheduled. They haven't played since march. Twenty fourth But we do want acknowledge though before they did get ravage. Cova connects head equipment. Guy pat o'neill worked is three thousand game. A that's the second guy. This season was worth three thousand games at equipment. Guy that's up. It's a hell of a run. Absolutely unreal run. The connector also extended goalie thatcher. Go with a five year extension worth twenty five million balls and we talked about this kid. The end of last season went looking. Look at potential future goal and the in brain hopi who they did sign this previous off season. He's got one year left at four point three man he could end up a couple of ourselves next issued vancouver. Leave him exposed in seattle. Could scoop them up. Even though we have a a modified no trade clause he does not have a no move clause so he could be left exposed show could have ended up a good move for them even though he's been struggling a bit this year but either way they did. They didn't play this week. The league is going to move the schedule up. They were supposed to finish march eighth. They've pushed up too much eleven. That wouldn't be surprised that goes even further than that. They do kind of get some free. Wiggle time to play with that. So there's also a chance that you don't you don't see vancouver. Play the full schedule this year. There's there it sounds kind of crazy but they're also talking about for the first time. Ever starting the playoffs they could start the the american divisions for individuals. And the nba's always done that. Were they'll start a second round series when this first surround series still going on the nhl is always started clean where everything has to be done before they begin the next round and this year will probably change So it's crazy to think. How many guys have it there. Obviously we wish everybody. Well the i mean we have fun. Poke fun what vancouver once in a while but we hate to see this type of situation so get well guys. We'll see you back on the ice. Toronto maple leafs boys. We gotta keep stroking if they keep one on like this are three wins in a row extended the lead from two points to six points in the last week jack campbell. I guess you gotta say he's taking over the number on roll eight. No record in eight appearances Austin news twenty fifth goal the. He's just a third. Us born player to score twenty five goals in each of his first five seasons. Wet only bobby carpenter and mike madonna have done that. And alex gal genu- as i as a leaf to his. Y'all like a leech correspondent. What when you got far. But i told you guys don't worry. They're going to figure this thing out. They went through a little blip boom back to give them the cup now there. There's no way they don't make it out of that north division. I'd put my fucking life savings on it. They are humming. Love the squad. I still think they're gonna add taylor hall. They're gonna make wiggle room. They're going to give them. They're going to wave off the cap for the leafs. That's how much they've done for the league But they look fucking awesome. I'm so happy for my buddy jack campbell. Myrtle from the the athletic he wrote an article. I think it just came out today. He called me about it and basically for like my experience and seeing what i saw in the minors and i think i've briefly touched on it before. But just you know. He came over from dallas. I think he was drafted eleventh overall wit. Yeah he's a broken i read. That article is awesome. Goes broken man. Not even just hockey player. Yeah i think that from just talking to myrtle it was kind of a situation where you know growing up. You're always like iran this like this path to just be a young starter in the nhl. Getting wins like winning. Ever have a moment. He never had one moment where he wasn't just tracking up the hill. Like no sort of what's the word i'm looking for. I don't want to say yeah. I was gonna say i don't say diversity there are. There are enough guys. Get to a certain level where they don't face that because they're just like superior athletes and they just figured it out mentally and it's just like they're the best and they just go all the way to the top and that does happen well in some cases it may be takes a little bit longer than normal and in some cases like it just fox with you to the extreme and i think that that's what happened and then dallas basically basically gave them away for nothing to to the kings organization and he got down to the h. L. industy e-mu k. Like forget all that shit like this is where you are. Let's just and put the work in and obviously before that a little bit They you know they kind of they became friends you know. He didn't necessarily just dive in like about the hockey stuff. More wanted to earn his trust. Dude they went to van. Yeah just for seven. He ended up staying a week and and for seven days in him. Really talk hockey. They just like you wanna know who he was. You wanna know bose life they went. What's that what's that hike. The gross the gross grind. Yes so they were doing that. I think that's really interesting. Part of the whole story is that it wasn't just like hockey. I mean it was like i'm gonna get to know. This guy is a human right. It sounds kind of corny. But it's like. I need to know who he is and where he is mentally like where does he come from in life and then you start realizing what he's going through goaltending wise doesn't really have much to with the game a hockey more about his outside life and his expectations and feeling like a failure. And i i was just blown away and then you think about like he still has all that talent that had them drafted. I mean he's one of the highest pick goalies and twenty five years so he still has that talent. We're all of a sudden if you if you're able to clean up his head and goalies it can be so mental and all of a sudden it's like holy shit this guy. He still has that talent that that was why was picked so high and he's reached that level now. I didn't think that i didn't understand like how much he had to grind in the minors like. I didn't i thought he was playing for. La right away like with ontario. That was the big. That was the big reason why it came back to them. Yeah and remember. So the year before. Peter booed i happened to industy. E-mu was with him in the winnipeg organization. He was in saint john and he was helping them. But i think that i think boots was still a little bit pissed off because he'd been like an nhl solid backup for so long and all of a sudden. He was in the age all the jungle. Because you've got put on waivers. And i think his attitude let them to. Maybe have a tough season duty. Didn't win a game there. So when when dusty e-mu ended up getting back with him and antero. I think at that point in time he was able to get through to him similar in the summer regard he earned his trust and then he just explained to him. He's like hey if you're going to allow all that stuff that happened to you. That was that was bullshit. Continue to bother you. It's gonna bother you and it's gonna affect your performance and he was able to help him out so i i was there for the whole season so i was seeing it. I didn't poke my head in too much but you could clearly see that. It's like the guy one goalie of the year in the age l. He went on this fucking insane. Run so then. The following year they had to share the net a little bit so part of it was also juggling saying like. Hey you're not gonna get the same amount of starts but you know you guys. You're it's gonna be good because if you get to the next level you're probably have to be doing that anyway. Where you're sharing the nat right so look at it from a positive standpoint and it it just worked and then i saw dusty emus. Well helped jack once again did so from a distance because you don't wanna poke your head in too much 'cause you don't wanna up a good thing that's going on because you could see it. Happening and keep biz away from this guy anyone bengal but you know you try to you. Try to respect the distance but it was awesome see so he became an all star that year jack campbell and he had an unreal year and that propelled them to then be trusted by l. A. to step in and then beer his backup quickey and they've had to juggle their situation because they got cal peterson. Who's another young stud. So you know they felt jack. Campbell was the one that could be accessible and he ends up with the leafs. You know. there's a little bit of struggling going on and say man. I think time is now number one. You know eight no so sorry for rambling on. But it was just very cool to see how he was able to get his head fixed. And now it's lead into all the success so check out that article it goes more in depth with dusty e. But he's done an incredible job with with a few guys bizarre. Is it true that you him. The nickname ned flanders. When you were teammate. So i don't know how many how many guys were actually calling him. That i just i just kind of joked around about it. Because he he's sold. Nice all the time that i'm mike. Y'all one day this guy's just gonna pop like jokingly right. You know what. I'm saying. You saw the ned flanders episode. I just quit you see it. Yes the episode or just see him being called that no well in the episode to kind of like where he's like nitty digital. He's like boom because he ends up popping. Because it's like. There's no way somebody could be possibly this nice. But jack campbell is actually that nice because one of our list. You might have been sandbagging me on simpson's references from from way back in the day even before chocolates. Everyone here would also always give you the the simpsons going. You guys missed one at the top of the show. But that's right i was. I'll miss a lot of them. But there was an era where i was paying attention. To simpson's there was like a five year stretch there my sister used to watch it religiously so i just watch the weather. Yeah i what. I might have been late friday night on. Fxx there was like a season four. They did like ten episodes in a row. And it's like the season four five six seven eight. It's just like i said before the some of the best tv of made you get yourself caught for two three hours watching a bunch of grade. Classic episodes my maturity level was at the time. We're those were coming out. But i would probably laugh out loud a few times and episode. Where now. I don't i don't crack a smile. Yeah and that's where you get to watch the old ones so buddy. Connor mcdavid little out of character. He get fined. Five thousand dollars for elbowing. Yeah yes berry. Kotkin the emmy at center ice during the edmonton montreal again. The other night. I was pretty shocked by. I know he's frustrated. Team was having a rough game. But i dunno if you caught me might have done some off camera. We didn't catch before wet. But were you surprised. Ceac connie with the old chicken wing. I i mean not really. I think he's a little frustrated. I think he's the only two points in four games this year versus the canadians. So they've actually been the only team able to hold him and dry sailed back a little bit. And maybe that's part of it. But i didn't think it was his the other angle of the of the head. It's not as bad as it looks from. When you're behind mcdavid. Looks like he caught him right in the head so i definitely understood why there was a fine but people. Yelling and screaming for suspensions is what are you talking about yeah. I wasn't expecting suspension like that. But you know you usually see him do so anyways kay. He got fine five k. Or did you think biz. yeah. I mean fucking. I don't know twitter was pop at about it. Some people thought that he deserved to get suspect. What did you think. I'd know. I thought i thought fucking. He seemed he was frustrated. At someone fucking got him with a high hit. I think that. I think that people tend to sell those a little bit these days so no. I don't think he should have been suspended. I think fines fine. I sell john fucking goon mckinnon. Should be as the biggest sell job by. Garlicky thoroughly gone at inevitably. You'll just like it was like a blew up when the hell. I'm signing a fucking. Pto mckinnon. i hope you hear this. You sandbagging son of a bitch. I'm coming after you've had toss five grand for that took. He's got that in his ashtray. Well worth it. The kid from iceland and we jumped ahead. They're busy but yeah. I saw you put the twitter poll out. Who's the biggest coon in the nhl. David mackinnon i k so to not be joking around about it anymore. When i saw it. I was like okay. That's fucking funny. The fact that he did it and it was an underhand. So it was more harmless. And i know. I'm a coyotes worker. So i should be like now but as far suspensions concern. I'm like fuck that. We need him playing two other teams collecting points. And he did he he he. He helped out in the first game against saint. Louis i think he had to talks and they might even had a golden apple in the next one and he scored in the last forty seconds now. The coyotes are sitting pretty. Because i am three points into a playoff spot committing scenario though just to see the helmet go flying and then garland blowing up of holy shit. You could tell he was. It was underhanded. I don't think he meant to get it. That high but still off a little bit of mustard on it. I mean nobody wants to helmet off the face like that. Hey mckinnon's got a short wick man. He's gap that. Was it a nine three wind. Like what's he so bent out of shape about it. Nine three guys these fucking nuts man and he was given a double minor rough and ten minute misconduct. In addition to the five thousand dollar. Fine to chirp swing. He's a golf. Not at all for sure. I'm going to tell them to now. I'm going to give him some ammunition on the cryan biz. Some other great fireworks. Saturday night brady ca. Chuck took on shea weber. Man like that's ballsy thing for a young kid to take on web doesn't fight as much anymore because he doesn't need to but i mean he he wasn't gonna take any shit they're brady and ended up dropping the gloves. I mean i thought he handled himself pretty well. Considering is bone with. Oh my god that is such a fucking fun player to watch he does. He's that's just a pure hockey player. He he'll do it. All gives shady competing every night. It is so cool. If i ever had a kid i would want him to play like brady ca chuck. Yeah that's that's pretty. I'm very accurate statement. Because not only does he play like a bastard out there. He'll find anyone in front of the net but he has like the best time doing it. That's what's so fun to watch you know after that fight. He's probably the laughing in the room. He gets the guy's going on the ice. You get some off the ice and you could tell he appreciates where he's at in life and he did pretty well. In the fight you could tell it weber. Weber had a couple weber through a rocket where mom right off his helmet. Like i think he's like i'm just going to try to smash home into ten pieces. So i was surprised that he did go. But the andy took them down into the net and you know he got the boys going. They won right six three. Yeah they smoked them minus they were plus five hundred on the puck. Line that night to late in the every game. I i'm i'm looking at the ticker they've been involved in close games they were. We thought they were going to be the laughing stock at the start of the year and aims. Not all of us not all true. All right up. no. I throw some money on them. Shits and giggles but that they were gonna be competitive is what i and they've been very competitive. And yeah brady tell having fun out there with you. Just goes nonstop. Loved watching them play. Jump over the calgary flames. Boys i see battle of alberta shirt wet. They haven't really gotten much of a set of bump. Unfortunately they out had owen three weeks since we last talked to an eight and they last ten. Is this team to make the playoffs with no no. No they're sellers. I think sam bennett. I think you plan on going on run. you go. Try to get sam bennett. I think that guy's playoff type hockey player. And i think that'll be a guy and all of a sudden you're hearing monaghan discussions now. I think that you have to look at it all and you can't do it in the next week the seven days till the deadline. This is a summer thing. But there's gonna be some major changes there. I don't know if could draw will be there next year. I don't know if monahan will be but if you look around it's like that whole entire core isn't working. This year's been a disaster. So right now you're looking to see what you can get at the deadline Man that's that's the big question there. And i it on a shortened season. No fans in the building. Are you going to put that much weight on how this especially with adding marks jerem and tan of orgy. Give him another full season. Like i i guess i would. It would depend on what you're offering. It's it's hard i mean. We're we're thinking so narrow minded were. I'm on the on the fence. About where i wanna go. I don't think i would if you're going to sell. I think you should probably wait till the off season. I agree i agree but i think there's some guys that could be done before the deadline but the big changes like monaghan goudreau in those type guys. Then you're looking at like give us some time in the summer but the cap not changing is it makes us so difficult right and i think the one theme right now is teams eating salary. That seems to be. The big topic is so i don't know what the answer is but they aren't making playoffs. And what a letdown. After the coaching change. And yeah this. This group has definitely broken right now. Young you take a look at all these names getting bandied about all these guys got term left as well. It's not like these these. Ufa guys they can just pawn off for a pickle whatever so that makes it even more difficult like you said Any other not actually at one montreal eric. Staal is expected to make his debut monday night. Which is tonight where record monday. Mario went three of three or four on the week. Split auto the kind of hanging tough in that vision didn't know if there was any other north note she had far as boyce. I was critical of give up a third and a fifth from most montreal fans. I'm here and they're like no. We need depth at the middle and they have so we have twelve draft picks laughed so we give it so a you know. I'm going to back off on that. One they had they had the dino right to the tar whatever denault and gallagher but then after that it was like suzuki and cockney emmy both young guys right so stall maybe he's not you know the player was but he's older and he can at least not have one of those is going against another top second time. 'cause i think those are the four playoff teams. I think the north pretty much set. And i don't even really think it matters who plays who i get. They're all like. I don't think like if toronto wins that division. They'd much rather play You know winnipeg or edmund tanner or much all right like it's pretty like open in that division. And i think those four teams are now jockeying for for who finishes where that'd be a fun syria watch between edmonton and winnipeg with those forward. Groups can't launch it all so much different than every other team in toronto edmonton winnipeg. They're gone in their common quick. They're playing offense. They're fast they will turn the puck over here and there but the create a lot montreal's way different teams so of carry price gets hot. That division is just. I mean business. Cotton is foreskin off of toronto. Doesn't get out. I think we've forgotten about that. One from jupiter. But what was the other thing we were just chatting about. I had to bring up in colville. Oh agree dhamar goal in edmonton. They might have been at home filthy. Check that out. He cuts to the furniture strong cuts in roofs. It was just a sickle for a guy who kind of is quietly like having a dominating season. I know that's crazy to say. But i don't know you hear a lot more about matthew's makes little sense with how he can score goals and i think that to look at mariners game he's a. He's a legit superstar right now when when martyrs hanging out with the on the rigs talk about but i mean right now. Stick with matthews talk boys. We've mentioned toronto mentioned edmonton. We've mentioned montreal. While our guest this week played for all three of those teams shane. Clauses awesome awesome interview coming up first off. We want to mention if you have thirty minutes. You never have to worry about a break in at home ever again. That is how quick and easy it is to set up a security system simplisafe. It's the kind of thing that show easy to do. You can do it during a netflix. Binge watching the game. Listen to a certain podcast. Having the security up at my place makes me feel that much safer knowing. I have extra sets of eyes looking out for me and help is just a phone call away. Simplisafe is incredibly easy to customize for your home just go to simplisafe dot com slash checklists. 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Y'all also represented team canada on the international stage by in the one thousand nine hundred one candidate in one thousand nine hundred olympic. Someone others thanks so much for joining us on the spit. Chocolates broadcast corson. How's it going man. Thanks sorry don. My sent up guys up another five dollars. I'll give you another paragraph. i'm sure she sent it over you. But i'm hoping for is that there's a hall of fame where they combine the off ice on the on ice and then we'll all a chance to be in the hall of fame. That's a terrier ryan told me said nobody better off the ice. Jane course he was. He gave me like ten voice. Memos about your beauty. Not much i can say about t. r. I think he's done it all off his dad. To be honest people spend a few nights with him and out east and there. There are a lot of fun. I'll tell you i don't remember any of them but they were good. I think you'll remember. He'll tell you i don't remember but he does. I mean the next morning says old. You remember doing this this this no don't tell me i want to hear it so want busy mentioned we can. We could be in the hall of fame you could. You could even dj there. They let you sort of sneak in v liner in the hall. I would have liked to dj. And i'm skipping forward here because we going to save it for later but he told me he ended up. Open up your own restaurant in montreal. When you're there called shane's yeah. And i actually met a few of the guys that worked there at the time who ended up becoming famous one of them. Jeremy charles who was a chef there. Now and then a sam roberts. Yeah great great kids man sammy and and charles of seeing quite a quite a few things. Go on much montreal italian but my buddy actually a body mine that live grew up with them very ontario beautician to and he wanted to open a restaurant bar. And i'm going on my god. Just what i need another buyer montreal goto and it's free voice. We opened our up and we. We had a lot of fun. But i'll tell you what was lot of fun good plans to be and those guys you mentioned. They were super people and couldn't have the two guys they're great kids worked hard and you love to see good. People in hard workers become successful. Both those guys did that. Roberts playing at a time. Would he play live there. Yeah he plays some live music at the restaurant bar. More of a barnaby honesty and he take off to do some shows like live shows. And we'd all go watch and support and he was just amazing person down under an incredible incredibly talented bizarre. Sorry if people don't know they musicians. Because i'm not i'm not all that course. Take that over yet. Sham champs big musician here in canada he's done real well from softened jeremy's chef germany extras on easily. He big out here. In canada audi specially but you just gave them their star you just you just got them in the door. shane bite. yeah. I gave the start all right but they seen a lot of philosophy. They had a lot of fun. Let me tell you that they see and a lot of fun time while they were there so it was a show for them. While you're working there every night idiot got talent in playing for all the guys. Just piss drunk giving the xs. As far sam roberts is concerned like yeah he. He's like up there as one of the better artists in all of canada. We have a lot of american listeners. Check them out. And and as far as far as jeremy. Charles concern like anthony bourdain went. I believe to newfoundland expensive time with them. They're an interview them and and all the cuisine that comes from there so it was He's he's big time. Agent incredible guy like i said the biggest thing for me is more important as being good people in both are great great great people so it was nice enough to be so successful do so well in in life and Yeah i've been out east quite a few times doing different charity. Events to spend a lot of time with tr. jeremy net like. I said we have a lot of a lot of good times. I don't remember a lot of it. But i'm i'm sure it was was fun. What was your. What was your nickname with the boys throughout your career. I had a few of them. To be honest. one was one was hammer. We won't say why legendary nickname don't the other hammer. I know i think i think is called sheldon surrey's hammer when you called hammer you got a lot of things going for lotto. Pigeons are called hammer. Sir sheldon was my roommate when we play together macho pitcher that roommate while so that was right when he came into legal is that with jersey when he left jersey came to montreal and we were roommates for about a year and that was enough for me did he did he. Was he like getting twenty goals. Twenty five goals. right right away and macho. Is that taking a little while to get that offense. What are we talking on on on fight. I would said one hundred fifty the gretzky. Aw yeah that's what i meant. It took it took him some time. I think i think he started doing that. More destruction but anyways he was just incredible on the ice. Send off the i saw and he was a roommate. Awesome roommate Obviously one of the best looking guys illegal tell you that he did well from himself. He was he. Was jim good hockey player good teammate. And even better roommate. Jane mentioned the restaurant much. But we gotta go wait way way back back to a kid. Family owned a family restaurant that you worked at is that basically you work ethic came from and stuck with your through a korea. I mean my parents works. Are you know. It's the reason why i got today. Shaw made it to where i got to obviously. They sacrificed lot but a lot of hard work but we had them. We had modest pension was called and berry we had for years My dad died at forty five but my mom and my sister continued on running at. We just sold it about Probably twelve years ago. Thirteen ago somebody who worked at a restaurant Bought it from actually and Yeah i i mean that's something my dad. My mom taught me all along. The person be humble and work hard and if you want to be successful i've gotta work at it. Whatever you do whether it's ocular police officer lawyer doctor. Whatever you wanna be gotta work at it. So i washed dishes there. I had some fun. There lasted about two weeks. I think though the first time my dad fired out in the kitchen 'cause the the spray thing to wash the dishes often in me and my body Actually by best friend growing up mel he was a goaltender team. We're screwing around fuck around the kitchen. My dad come into catis in la can't really say it nowadays a little. Definitely gimme kick in the ass and told me to get out. You're fired and i got higher back next day by my mom know so. It was all good boston house. But i mean yeah. That's where yeah. They taught me to work hard. And i thank them for that. That's for sure there's no substitute there but when you sold it. Did they keep the same name. Is it still the restaurant with same name. They change everything now. The kept it was called. Mom's pantry saw original moms moms panthers. If they still there. I think actually just heard that got sold again the response from renovations. So i'm not sure if the the names gonna change but that just happened a couple months ago. It was pretty cool. We have a lot of great memories there every friday night. My dad's fiddled. Fill up the salad bar with beer and wine and stuff and we have family. Parties are friends and family. Come over and we'd have a great time a lot. Lot of great memories reserve few scraps outside in the park few times to show their legendary. Were by my dad and his uncle in my uncles. His brothers are well known buried for that so we got a few of those nights to was going to ask you about growing up playing. Did you always have a chip on. Your shoulder is far. Scrapping on the ice. And i i heard a few stories of you. Scrapping off the ice as well. I've had a few. I've always played that ship michelle. It'd be honest you growing up. I was one of the smaller guys on my team. So i just play with chip shoulder. Every i was too small ever ever make the nhl or gets even the oil. And and i always told me son. Just getting shot was a success for him for myself. And all you guys two guys played while which is from different from uso. It's different. i mean Yeah i played with chip michelle. Try to play hard all the time trying to do the job. Defensive play offensively. And i was always a chip player in a nasty player and i tried to play that way my whole life. When did you start popping up on scouts. Read is You know travel teams that type of stuff. I mean i mean. I think it was pretty early. Like to be honest in in my mind hockey career i played in berry just about forty five minutes north of toronto. We're we're single-a team actually back then buries a lot. It's aaa team now. But started popping up. Probably more appealing went to quebec major peewee tournament. Had a really good Tournament there. But i mean again. We had a really good team. Our team was incredible. I play the same guys. My whole life Sean dean and brian serum my winger my winners and they were incredible hockey personal. They helped me a lot. But i think i started popping up on their radar and peewee and then it just went from there but i was lucky enough to have great coaching and great teammates. All the way through it so yeah. It was pretty cool. It was so far back. I didn't even realize branford how to know each l. team and you fix. I'm all battle. But i appreciate it. Yeah fram was fun. Yeah what was what was that experience like and did the team ended up moving or did you get traded after that first year. Not play for the same junior team my whole career we. We were challenged branford after the first year. I want our move to hamilton jack. Rogers owner he. He owned a bunch of gas station. Sunny gas station great person. Great honor but it just wasn't working in branford which is too bad a great hockey town gretzky's hometown in a lot of people. There are but we moved to hamilton. But i mean dave draper drafted me was my gm coach for my first year and a half amazing person but the experience there was good except for my First couple of days in brantford rookie camp i I showed up in a in a camaro new camaro right guys. I i guess a few guys that had a nice on the mirror and everything. I don't know what i was doing. I didn't have the dice. Cow you you're going to kill yourself work days so i show up in this tartan first aid training camp that come out into hot august day because we're playing you know. Training camp in junior hockey. Jerry was in august and sure enough. There's a big shadow to my car. And it was bob for over and top francis and beverly hills bob In france is another. Nails guy was drafted by the montreal. Canadian second round never made. He had an eye injury and never got the chance to play but they decided that i was a coffee young rookie and deserve to be brought down a few notches and probably were right. So he shut. The hood of my current was was just sitting. There was melting down in front of my hood thinking myself. I'm gonna get. I'm gonna go over. Did this right. So i'm like run around. Who the fuck did. I wanna kill them right. Mississippi goes it was probably. That's okay that's all talk and you missed the spot. Probably end up being my mind. For probably i was my left winger for a year and a half frame was his toughest probably wise but never made added nine hundred. He was my right winger sauce. Free lucky so. I mean they took care of me for the next year and a half until probably got traded this shoe but yeah he was there saying okay. Miss dots fighting this that spot. I had to drive around for the next six months. A actually the camaros mind now. That's right go get lost and its allies by shitting on a tree. they should courteousness by now. I didn't argue where he wanted to major. Fill up the gas tank. Two everytime buddy. Everything was controlled. That's such a good story fucking band. Did you get a chance to meet walter gretzky while you were there. Yeah nash matt welsh. I became really good friends with wayne. Gretzky he was a buddy. I got to play within the ninety one canada cup. Your linemates canada Steve larmer where my linemates from day. One we actually that here you had sixty guys coming to camp and try out and i was lucky enough for beyond his line from day one so a kind of knew that might have a chance but i. I didn't expect to make didn't even want to go at and thought it didn't take that belonged but my dad talked to go onto the experience. Yeah talk me into golf. The experience and ended up making the team playing with grafton. Should i remember going into the room and see in the lineup went. Oh my god. I'm playing with grad. Skin larmer enlarge one of the most players ever played with my tire life. Nicest person oh raised roommate. Line my roommate and a candidate to do it. All kill penalties playing the power play but i mean i mean i training camp the first practice. The i actually scrimmage Up with wide open net. And what do i do. I heal it. I need to be four or five feet. To put to be honest. I was than the court. I'm going off his line for sure. I'm donna cut. And greg came over being who he hasn't just came over and said you know of course. Don't worry you'll get lots more of those. But he was an incredible guy so during that time. I got to know walter really. Well mr gretzky on just an amazing person. I'm telling you it's nicest person most humble guy and never said not a fan of for a pitcher autograph then. I got to spend a lot of time with him after hockey used around the greatest fantasy camp in out in vegas which was actually started. Phoenix moved to vegas and got to spend a lot of time with him and it was just. It was an honor for me. I learnt so much had so much respect for me it was just. It was incredible. Spend time without that person and not to say vegas wasn't a bad spot to be for seven days and all paid for and have some fun with the gretzky family in the restaurant arrest of his buddies right. It was so it's funny. Because you say steve larmer and sometimes if you go on hockey. Dvd steve larmer. A name. that if you check out his stats you'll be blown away. You're like what he he did that in the nhl so like an all time great. That doesn't get talked about much but you're talking about like not wanting to go and like actually not thinking you belong nowadays. I feel like so many younger players are just program to say like. I'm confidence i can be. I think i'm as good as anyone else. Whereas maybe a little different back in your time where you're like dude. I don't know if i have it. Yeah no you're right for sure. I think times have changed for the good battle. Be honest yeah. I mean there's some kids that it's okay to be confident to be cocky. It's not so good. I think nowadays is a little bit more caucus at times. I don't like to see in the game. But that's part of it. That's that's the world we live in for sure. There was a lot of guys played with a little bit. Less confidence in con- you know we all know concert a big thing in life. You gotta be confident. You're not going to be successful either. But you do have your times or you're not confident and when things were rolling really good and you have all kinds of conference. So i definitely think that that's part of the game that's changing and you're right. I think they program that indicates and i think Being a little bit something what people are. And you'll have had coaches. Were hard on me through my career and sometimes ruins that. You don't have the confidence you should have moving on. And we all know that coaches where putting situations to be successful and coaches. Put you in situations that you're not successful so there's so many that affect depend on confidence and doing well and being an and believing in yourself and i think that nowadays the kids at times can be a little bit too too confident. Shaneco cocky but i. I like to see the competent. I'd love to see people that are conflicts. It's very important for young kids. I have four young kids myself. And i wanted to be a communist possible. Just don't go overboard and be cocky it. It's not something. I'd say it's a it's a pretty fine line because you want a little confidence likely. Want to be a clock best. And i this. Tv lamb for second. How many packs of gum did that guy. Having a stall every time you saw that guy he was chomping on like a madman never never mind toxic gumby packs of cigarettes. I room with him and the candidate cop. I room with the company every morning. I get up smoke showing their he'd be having a cigarette coffee ninety one canada cup. I had i. I called my parents. And i said mom dad you gotta come down to try and get a room at the west and here i can't. I can't stay in this room with with But keach mark on any human being ever seen in more a other than gala flurries. Smoke more cigarettes than anybody. I've ever seen in play. The way he played was incredible. He's like i said and which man the guys guys numbers are amazing. But he wasn't just not fancy player he he played defense like a key. He didn't kill penalties. Played in the power play. And you know there's there's tough and he was taught he was tough on the puck. You didn't have to fight draw gloves. There was other guys who can do that forum on his teams but he was strong. Tough in the coroner's tough in front of that and just an incredible human Human being but yeah he had. They replaced They report at least two or three packs of gum in his thought. Every between every intermission Every intermission for sure it was crazy but and the cigarettes trust me. I was in the room. I couldn't even see you could cut with razor blades. That there was so much smoke in their good. Those were the days we will go back to the only jeffers second. We were told that you had a little liberal on the side. Of the road turn your. oh l. career. You want to fill the hammer the hammer. There's a lot of grease falls in the hammer surprise. You get more along the side of the road. Let me tell you. I know where you're front visit busy. I mean i love playing hamilton. And i love old school. I mean i grew up in a small town. Barrier was twenty seven thousand people laugh at two hundred twenty five now. But i mean we used. I can tell you all kinds of stories with my family and the loss of family and my hometown but yeah this one was. This one was pretty crazy. I mean again. We were driving my car. Batat franny another taught france. The ring friend and we call them was driving. The car and gary mccolgan was in the car with us. He was in the backseat and called him. Cheesy was goals for never made it. But we're driving along on. Somebody's giving us the high beams blah blah blah boom honking the horn honest pulls it besides giving us the finger. We're looking at us guys. One guy carber. What's this guy doing. So we'll tell them. Polgar forward pullover. We pull over wrong the door. We're thinking this is great like their three losses. So we've pulled over. He pulled pull into a parking plaza. Never forget it we pull in. I jumped out. Fran jumps out and gary mccolgan just sits in the back seat just sits. He's kinda watching right. I don't care what's he doing. Whatever it was two of us still. We got this guy and he wasn't big big guy but was thick anything. And i'm thinking okay. So i kinda square off with him. I in we're going out. I'm hitting them with everything got he's just looking at like. What are you got this all you got. And then he's looking around that. Also they said franny. Get in here. I'm getting exotic kicked right in the balls and he does even fucking box. It's like oh my gosh. That's still balls to write them. So what's happening here like this day. We're going to look friend in france. You didn't hear help me all right. So franny gives him everything. He's got nails. The guy turns looks when i'm down with him. I'm gonna kill you and it also next cheesy or car. He puts his window down about three inches learning the help out there. Plus goal score. What's the window back up the goal and after free drills the guy. The guy starts chasing finished runner. And i look at yelling frame french. Let's get out of here so we jumped the current work. God we take enough with this guy. We give them everything we had and he didn't didn't even put him on the ground he was this guy. Home we jump in the car we jump the car were flying. Fannies flatwork airfare. Were thinking who is this guy. We're flying the car and there's a big highway up here on all said she's goes holy fuck since. When did the four one have stop lights as we were so scared through. Stop lights all the red lights. The we get the practice the next day. And we're starting asked around. There's a couple of guys that play in our team from hamilton. Ronnie ronnie brunetti. Mike plane hamilton. And we're gonna win this fight with this guy Last night blah blah blah We heard the story. This guy just got a jail for manslaughter. Way had dropped he was he was awake. Guy workout guy. I guess he dropped some weights on a guy in the gym time guests. He was Gang in hamilton. You know bizzare come from there or yeah crazy. He standards and all those guide members the long all these dinners that cameron with another but he was involved with those gangs and i guess they had to teach last night. Drop the weight on his head and got your hanoch about maybe running into megantic like was he like to get you that kind of the end of it well. There was rumors that they are to get us and we were terrified. Trust me he. Because i'm telling you right now was one tough. Dude is about two hundred twenty pounds and he could hit at we. I get married. I got needed moving and same with with franny then. Russia came back from the road trip and all our windows were smashed in our tires. Were cut there. He was gary was he. Got us back in another way. Because i e sender. He did well business area. That wasn't it wasn't a pretty area one at at that go. I wouldn't even go to. What was the. It was called hess village. I wouldn't even because you hear about all the scraps that would be going on there and man that is that is pretty nutty that this guy was just buzzing around town just looking for anybody who would go on the side of the road. That's fucked up over as the more more fucked up because we actually pulled over. We're going to be okay with us off street block you players. And he chased us down the street like little babies but yeah. I was pretty tough town. It was awesome place to play. There's there's many more stories like that trust me. You're like a probe you can keep my camaro but you gotta come. Give me a little bit of help here in hamilton actually in hamilton for the first half a year and then we train them to sue which was great to do because we have having a brawl with them on a sunday afternoon. Game tv game and Unfortunately probably on the team but we had a pretty tough team anyways but we have a couple of probiotic when he was a reproach and troy. Crowder and dennis fiat was on our team. Kurt thomas and we had a. We had a really tough team. Sammy haiti johnny english. That we didn't we weren't short on top guys but the sunday afternoon game was like just a show. I mean probably on the at that time and it was a sunday afternoon game. Tv game on a sunday big deal and we end up getting into umbrella. Emerge goalies your beaten. Uruguay up on the bench. There's fights everywhere on the ice that fight. The flight must've went on for an hour and a half bill of forgers. Our coach at the time actually coached niagara falls after he was really good to me. What he's a tough tough coach but he was crazy who he had. So we're fight with an hour and a half of the funny part was after it was all over this film like they found that all afford with thrown are the league. He was sworn of the western hockey league. But billy dines our our trainer god rest. His soul has gone now. He passed away. He comes out with a shopping cart. Our hockey we're going on like this is really good for sunny hockey for all the young kids wanting to play hockey one flight from church. There's our chain right from those places where i am a tough time getting in there but to go through a metal detector when you go to church the one nine year picture this game on tv with you guys just scrapping in the trainer just putting the gloves inside the shopping cart. It was crazy. And i'm telling you when in the gloves are going the shopping cart helmets. It was just like oh my god like what just happened but it was a crazy day. We just had jovo on and he was telling the story about plans. Sorry i think it was the first round playoffs. And the player ended up going after them and then and then he got his helmet off and he had his hand and he's beating them over the head with it and after the fight and the old windsor barn was was absolutely bananas and in the midst of that game like a sardine guy in the fan were playing tug of war with a stick but on the way off the ice. I believe the last guy's last name was maxwell he just turns around and just double barrel finger. The crowd on the way out there was like three guys left on the bench for sarnia by the time the game was up and that was just the way it was back. Then it was crazy. I mean i watched that. I watch you guys quite often as my kids do so. I'm like it's on for me to be on with you guys and i love. My kids are so exciting all. They're buddies but actually watch. That is pretty crazy. When he's trying to hit him with the helmet and saint. Thomas windsor barn. It was crazy man. That place was not. Kevin curry was when i played. He was a tough tough. Not in a good little hockey player but speaking a job will. That's probably one of the craziest moments in my my hockey cried. I made a lot of mistakes. Plan did a lot of crazy shit. But i mean cordova got was playing for vancouver's playing for montreal at time and we got a kind of got into it was more of a strong. There's a bunch of guys in there and we couldn't really get each other we wanted to or maybe we didn't want there was a little bit of respect there anyways. Tell we start. Swinging are six each other. And i think caught him on the head with the stick and got a five minute major. He might accompanied with a pretty good too and across any region it to throw in the penalty box referees. Come over they go. they're gone. We get five gone and i. I don't know what happened. my black. don't show that he had said something to me. I don't know something like maybe over the line but back in the day i lost my marbles went crazy. He went his restroom. And i went off the ice and went into the hallway. Went right past my dressing room back to the hallway were all the media is and all of the workers are back. Their security factor. I go flying down the back hallway pushing all the security guards. Tell him to get the fuck out of my way. they're going. What are you doing right. Down the hallway down to their draft and into their draftsman. I'm kind of blocked there at this point. So i'm just going bananas right and i'm i. Actually she'll top. Doozy's her dress when i get there and a tran. That played was our stick point. Hamilton was the trainer bernstein for the vancouver canucks. So i get into the room. I'm stream. i wanna fight. I'm in vancouver dress him i. When i first came to to be honest voice. I came to i looked down. I'm standing on the vancouver. Canucks emblem in their room. When i came to blacked out. Oh wait in. Their building was in vancouver building. I thought you were at the home team. No i was in vancouver. Walked right by the director of them down the hall past the security guards dollar people in the back hallway to get their hallway Down there always pushed the security guards either. The way into the room and bertozzi was. They're not dressed. he was injured. And there the the train that knew me came running because every was streaming going crazy and seeing what the hell's going on and i'm in their young drove trying to fight him and toggles enough enough bursting gets he's going on. And that's what i can't do standing on the emblem. And i remember going fucking my doing at my home my hand and did not kind of like what the hell am i doing. So i threw my helmet provo and then turned around and left and went back now in these days. Now boys. nowadays it'd be suspended probably be arrested. They probably gave you a beer on the way out. While the trainers our team had a couple of ice cold beer re ready to go. It was all good. I think i got suspended for four or five games but wasn't too bad. I needed to break anyway. Planes trains automobiles. That are like you go in the wrong way on the wrong locker room. Planes trains automobiles. I think i've missed every one of those what that's another forever. I i heard so many team. Flights i missed a cutoff. I missed a couple not a couple of flights maybe two or three bosses and maybe a couple dozen maybe late for few but i missed missed two flights The one was in montreal. It was an honest mistake. Actually i it was when the plots tend to change all that stuff i didn't i didn't change my in. I might have been out the night before. i don't remember. Actually i think it was actually had a girlfriend might have been married but at that time. Remember anyways i'm heading to the airport. I got there. I'm sitting there sitting there sitting there. And then i got a call from my. I think it was my wife and she was. You don't even supposed to move the clock back right. You're you're in our and i went. What random fucking terminal into the gate. I get in the fucking planes backing out or the people that can you. Can you call the pilot talent. You shake orson we're in montreal. I thought you know they could call a pilot. He could tell. Earned you the pilot pullback up your only about ten feet out way did all that for me but the stewardess goes to burns and goes core courses at gauge weight. And you want to see. Can we pull back in ten feet fucking leaving there. They left me their own way. The better one was when we were in. Evanston god's we're at rental is getting married we have. This is a bachelor party in inhabited that one of the bars. One of our friends owned a bar there in town and we got pretty banged up that night. And i set my alarm when i got home. I thought he said a properly but i said it for pm instead of am and a remember. Wake up out of the cold sweat in hungover. and then i look at my watch. Holy shit look got. So i was late. I was going to be late. I knew it. But i thought if i could maybe get there in time and just get on the last night so i'm running out of the economy. I got my buddies little talk now. Dog melda the goalie. The goal again. He goes me. You gotta give me the airport. You gotta get him there. So he's racing they're matured it on don ties all over the place. I'm sweating i'm thinking oh my god i'm i'm getting traded from edmonton. I was playing to the time of thinking. Oh my god. I gotta get the edmonson airport and get out there running in on thinking holy shit. Who do i see as peter. Cleveland city on seager walking down the hallway to and i'm thinking all my fucking lord i'm not the only guy and even gets better. I think it'd thank god. I'm with two other guys so we go through security. Get to the gate. And they're six other guys. Sit there at the gate waiting We're gonna like. Oh my god is sort like i think it was seven or eight to three. Neither is like seven or eight of us. Miss the flight. We had to get our own flight. We're playing buffalo. You're going to buffalo so we had to get her own flight fly to toronto. We got a van to take us from toronto to buffalo and we played the next night. You know the crazy thing is the media found obviously about everything that everybody talked about everything. Bob starts all these said to us as you win the next two games. Were playing buffalo boston. You in the next two games and it's forgotten about and was really cool. That wayne sure enough. We had two of our best games at your which we weren't having a great season myers. Were little we won both games in nothing. Nothing to any of us and the guide staying rent gilchrist made it to the plane was on the plane few brains on the toilet but there's seven or eight of us didn't make the flight we don't want to jump to edmonson quite yet. I gotta go back to montreal when you first broke in the league. And that's when i started watching it back in the mid eighties. An eighth overall pick. Was that a surprise to you about. We expect it to go. Expectations be before the draft was actually draft ranked fifth overall and had a bit of a brawl again a lot of fighting and drinking missing planes and shit like that but we have amer ham and not. Yeah exactly. I was thinking that too We had a little bit of a brawl with another family. There was not a family in very. We're the course of family. There was a loss and family and got a bit of a fight with him. So i ended up getting into some trouble with the law and stuff like that. So it kind of not me down a few notches to the of and we met much the night before my dad. My dad wasn't a big much opening. Venue was a big fan growing up and they had met with them. And they told gonna take me fifth and the actions taken peterson. Who was from czechoslovakia. The it's not come into the country and and drop them fifth and that may not even more as often hated them even more but ended up making trade and pick me will roll anyways even trouble in berry that summer but Yeah it was pretty cool. I mean i was just happy to get to get drafted to be honest. I just wanted to get the opportunity to play him and reach. Reach my goals and dreams of play in the nhl. And i mean. I know somebody guy that never got drafted had great careers and then a lot of guys that got drafted the first round. I play with play with two of two of my good buddies both drafted by the team. drafted in the first round of the alley. Kings never made it. So i mean it doesn't really matter but it was. It was exciting to be drafted by the canadians in the form. The draft was held every year for a long time. Now move around so yeah it was pretty a pretty cool Kind of expected to go in the first round somewhere. But i was just happy to get drafted and a three game on one side. One second i gotta go back part of that story. You say that your family your family sounds like the old and billy madison. You have another. Did you have another rival family in the town. The lawson's you guys say. Yeah that was actually. There was a loss of family mirka murphy family and they were like cousins. Just chuck them with all. Yeah we we we yeah. There was a bucket dole. They had a bucket staying in a bachelorette together right so they headed out an old farm and my sister data one of the guys in the past. She ended up dating this guy. Roger balaj was a first round. Pick of the pittsburgh. Yeah from while announcer became good friends with me. Data my sister and they had this big plan to get us at the vitus this big party and they had a plan to get us and they jumped bam bam we call them rajab-khafaji down the washroom in next to the should the fair. My dad was down there trying to break it up negate him smack and there's only five or six of us so there was game on. We got into it at the farm. They got the better of us. Probably might. my dad's here was half ripped off my nose. Broken rabanne when the broken job we laugh there we got. We find our way out of there. Somehow they were chased out of there and we got out of there and got in. The car went back to family on going back to the restaurant where everything happened. All the thinking went on. We got back there. My dad says fuck destiny. Call this two brothers Two uncles. I ever peter too big tough dudes. He called me said we're fucking going back. So they came into the restaurant we back and we got the better among the second half foley on the second half of the we got we got the better of them so they were the loss in the murphy family. They were well known around town to. They're from The area they weren't right from very small town just outside of berry. But yes that kind of that kind of left a bit of a stay on some of the teams. I guess the child was a shaky. Damn everyone should have wanted you the way you played. It's like course in rules. That's my new saying for you was your family and sons of anarchy over here it around on the harlem and that's another. That's another whole story boys we. We'll get into that. You ought flooding fighting trump. And out of your what you know how it is based on everybody know out is mean families family to do and stick up family matter what absolutely i'll be honest. My dad taught me from young kid. Even being on the ice. And don't try to start fights. It's not it's not cool will be the guy finishes in quiet guy and my family were usually pretty good at that but i mean i know there's lot of fight stories in it's it's it's a different world. Nowadays back in the day could get away with doing that. And it would be a fistfight. You might get a bloody nose but It's changing knowledge knives and guns shit like that and should not even worth and i tell my boy just going to have a fun time start. Some shit wants to be an asshole. Just leave all with your body's not only at ten years later. Don't mattachine don't matter shit now back then it was fun and it was all fun and games and they were the same type of people we were. There are good people just two families to know shit on each been able to bury the hatchet since you know what we try to but then one them stabbed the interest though. But we don't do that stuff Random in the past. And you know it's under water under the bridge happen. We were all younger. I mean i was seven years old when it happened with me. You know like. I said it's changed. The world's changed not change alive. I go have fun and hanging in telling stories stuff like this That's enjoy these types of things especially this one of the best. We've we've We've ran each other. It's we li- we got a good laugh about it. They went on with their lives. F kids now in families to we all things have changed and we just a different world back then. That's the drive in two pretty outside the style. I was saying yeah. You have the three games montreal late in the eighty season now where the black aces a thing back then. Were you a black. Haven't that all play out during the playoffs for eugene yet i mean i was lucky enough to play the first think i played three games the first ten games and then had a meeting with search of art who our gym time and he He was really good about. He's sort of like what do you want to do. You want to stay here. you're awesome you. You're not going to play every game when you play. You might not play much right. So i kind of said to mike probably better for my development. My agent thought the same thing and my parents thought the same name and surge himself actually thought the same thing that go back to junior hockey. Get the opportunity play in the world junior championships again. The championships were held in hamilton. So is going to be fine. So i saw was better for my development to go and and that the season junior hockey player in the world championships and get some comments as we talked about comedy earlier and then actually the finding Under buddha our assistant jam the in montreal the time yes. She met me in london. Came down me down with me. Met with me and talk me so we're going to have you come out in the playoffs. And he didn't tell me. If i was gonna player a much gonna play and had a plane ticket with me for me and everything at the time they know technology and all that stuff was different time and i was all pumped up excited. Junior team was gonna make the playoffs and they asked me. If i wanted to be traded to a contender and i said i'd just rather just finished the season with my team. I've been with him for three years and and fight. We weren't totally out of it was gonna be a slim champ. I didn't want to quit on my team or my teammates in the organization into the ornery. So good so. I ended up staying there and we didn't make the playoffs but unfortunately i got her out of the last game of the season now Tore up my knee and my ankle was in a cast up my hip so i ended up actually going up there but not get the opportunity even play till late in the finals against calgary i actually got the go on the ice a couple of times with the black aces which it was so much fun just being around that team watching what they did and how hard work what they had to go through and highly to get some joaqin. Patrick gov obviously played unbelievable on their team. Play graydon Just to be around that atmosphere then just to see the party and be a part of the party down the cup party. In the city of montreal it was just it was incredible in It's not the same as not being bleeding and sweating with your teammates in being part had your name and the company was still pretty cool to be around those guys in see how hard they work together stanley cup. Now i wanna go to your first camp. You find yourself in this fable loughborough most famous locker room and hockey. No doubt all these veterans that a basic connective tissue to the greatest teams ever the seventies canadians. Are you like space. Cadet like a as you head spin in which your reaction to all this being you know in rome with larry robinson in geek avenue on bob gainey said the i mean like. I said it wasn't montreal. canadiens Always have respect their organization in the history of the had in their players but talks. You gonna be in the same dress remember. The first day. I walked into training camp. My first training camp and i walked in the dressing room. there's d leflore sitting there in all dressed in all black love black yet. Black cars black clothes everything right and sitting there smoking. A cigarette mental address from the montreal forum was like the black lungs too but the guy could escape forever but any street with so much respect. I learnt so much for them not just as hockey players as people in human beings. They're so good at the fans they never said no about an autograph for a picture and they just had so much respect for the game and so good at their teammates and tau guys like that around like john bell. Rock shark dealer flir Yvonne corn y lambert. And then you mentioned the two guys. Those guys didn't really play with whiskey. The floor for a few training camp spot larry robinson bob gainey were two of the greatest people. I made a met in hockey into the greatest leaders and there are two totally different people. You know bob was more even keel. Straight laced with there is more fun guy telling jokes and more of a vocal guy down those types of guys around and be a part of that organization at that time was just incredible and like i said they talked about The office thing. And i'll tell you what that organization they. They wanted a fun to off as long as you showed up the rank and worked hard at practice. They didn't mind you having a good time. Trust me boys. I had a really good time while i was in monterey. When it's well documented but those those guys incredible need to you. You bring that up and i can't imagine like the you go from hamilton and you don't have a ton of money and you're playing junior hockey and all of a sudden you're in montreal canadian where you can't go anywhere in the town. Good looking guy. You're crushing it. Like i can't imagine how hard it was to really really yourself in no seriously. You're young kids. Like i don't know you're so right man. I appreciate that because that's what people don't understand man i. I came from bury it. When i left there. It was like i said twenty five. Twenty seven thousand people. I didn't have a lot of money. My parents didn't have a lot of money. They were great to us and they did what they could rush. But all of a sudden not making like a hundred grand which is a lot of money. My parents never made that Even close to that and in montreal being a young guy and we had a lot of young guys in the team to there was a lot of guys came in that at that time. Was there masol and rishi and courtnall your key luma and mike keane bring crashed and i mean there's so many guys great guy twins so much fun it was hard. I'd find myself sitting in my apartment. I'm going to win every night. Somewhere to go on montreal. Lax you on sunday night. There was bourbon street on monday night. There i can name them all star. Winston churchill's anything to the week thursdays. You have all stanley street. The shape perino every monday through friday. That's funny sending every day. Free buff a man. I was at the flea buff. Every i hate to say it every day. It was free. So i went there right but it was so hard that you'd find yourself seniors a young guy and nothing else you get bored and they were breakfast. That's right. we know they were free to buff as your free. That's why we know okay. You got me more than i was here. You got to tell you on this busy. All this is going back. I gotta tell you this story boys. I mean it's brutal. But i did it. I got my check for the montreal. Canadiens took it a cash that she up to a bar that i hadn't signed him up. I think i had to give them. A percentage like cash my check and this is your this style by by two weaker. Imagine that they knew. This is their first rounder. Actually they're checking for re. But i mean you're right when it was such a hard time and we had such a great guy young guys. It was hard to to can't contain yourself by best. You know the you know the how the atm hammers ya at at the the to cast a check back because it was happening so much. Stand on the back. It's like this every team. 'cause we going to do this in person. We're coming up to toronto for some gulf this summer. We're i mean we're not done yet but you're saying that already. I love two boys. I mean like i said i down the boston a lot and i. I'm being honest. I actually earned these two hot. Somehow i know that very expensive hats for me. But i come down and watch. My daughter plays a boston college place hockey down there and i love boston. I mean almost was almost bruin. One point two are almost really went when that almost happened not burns. The coach in boston in. He was my coach and we have a lot of good stories. Good bad stories actually was like a father figure to me and it will kick in the ass needed. It gave me a hug when i needed but he tried to trade from us in boston and toronto so it would have been. I think have been pretty cool. Place bruins it was kinda my style in a great city and not just loved the city. Now and i've got no better than the last four years as well as went down there plane hawks charlotte down a bit so whether we do another podcast because there's a lot of stories voice lots of another we'll go over them together one time and then we can talk about what we can talk about. But i'd like to come down there and hang out with you guys and i have a few cocktails few whitney's in a few good sunday's my son started a company to so i got on-ice showed that oh good sunday they gotta pump up because he started like you did. Hey you gotta start somewhere right. We'll draw some. Think whitney nipson that be bonding. I liked kuku juice right so i was thinking. There's a good mix because kuku juice is really good at get you going pretty quickly and gives you a really good bonds is i need to get into that. It's a kuku man named hammer that knows the hoopoe kuku juice. It's a little bit of michigan. Mix forever you want their bizzare. But i was thinking of pink whitney and the good sunny mixed together because good. Sonny's more like a seltzer right. So it's more of a low calorie low sugar low alcohol drinks. You could add to pick wedding to have really good really good cuckoo juice. It's good for. It's good for hangover days and gulf days to be honest. We'll call it. The whitney one timer on wall. No you go ahead k- so there's a couple ways i wanna talk about pat burns but before that your daughter plays college hockey Does it concern you that. They're unable right now to figure out the pro level an all the deep dive into that at all like. Have you done any research as to what might be happening because would imagine. She has aspirations to play professional hockey and be paid a a decent wage to do so. Yeah i mean as a women's hockey's come such a long way. Get a thing today with sammy joel. Small goaltender from candidate. Your won a bunch of gold medals and a great person. She's a big advocate for for women's hockey and bit a role model for a lot of the girls. Coming up through hawking candidate especially right and then amanda kessel and then we'll play with keller who's in a non believable defense but from us play with keller newkirk and a bunch of girls played for boss calling women. They're a great role models. But yeah i. I mean it's come a long ways but it's got to go a lot further and i think it's gonna be a lot more fair and i love to see women's hockey on tv. And i'd like to see them get paid a fair. A fair wage concern my daughter. She's a good player if she wants to play. I don't know if that's she has asked to do that or not. I mean you know how it is. Sometimes you go through seasons where you had a bit of a tough season you get off off the game. Better something in life and you don't want to do it but she had a great season this year. A team had a great year. Naw support whatever she wants to. She wants to move on to play a fictional girls hockey I'd love to do that. Because i think it teaches a lot of life lessons and integrates four mccutchen shape and and if they can make a decent fair wage doing it. Why wouldn't they. And i think they deserve it. And i hope that these girls. The olympic girls keep pushing hard from both candy. Us the system get with deserve the girls. The girls hockey's great hockey. I love it. I've watched it for since willow was ten. She's twenty one now. i think he's just a great sport and a great hawk and they're all they're both different. There's pluses the girls. Plus the guys in their differences for sure. But i think they deserve more and i think this is just the tip of the iceberg. I think they're working on it. They'll keep keep doing out. Here here agree shane. The speed this skill while we had a few weeks ago and the the young ladies did you saw incredible this the skill and speed this so different than it was thirty years ago i again. I got to revert back to you first year. Montreal you first training camp you take on john. Quarter was probably one of the toughest guys league back. Then i mean. I know you fought in junior but i don't know if you had a fighting label. How did that come about. And you kind of earned you some respect in the locker room. Did you like fighting. What was your take on. All that as you started out from all the stories off is. I think i didn't mind it but i mean i was afraid every time i got this. I was afraid every time. I gotta do fight mean. There's something wrong with you not afraid when you're getting into a fight now was part of So i i came into montreal. They had just won the stanley cup as we spoke and was there. But i didn't get the play that a great team. Great group of guys and i just felt that i needed to do something to get noticed in training camp and stand out a little bit and i thought no better way than to try on the court who was my agent who end up rooming with my first year in montreal actually and got to know him real well god rest his soul to but So i fought of training camp and actually did pretty good And it was out of fear. I mean i was terrified. I knew i want to do it. And i was going to do it but i was terrified but i ended up doing pretty good. Thank god for christina on because nakazawa was really good to me when i came into the league and took me under his wing and kind of taught me a little bit more fighting. I was just all out. Destroys many punches. I could as quick as i couldn't hopefully him more me and that didn't work the next level and thank god. He taught me a few things before five. I probably would have knocked my astronaut boat. So i had a little bit of a lesson from and not only that actually did okay would say want. I said it was a tie johnny was used to. You know he thought Shit right and i did pretty good but so he wanted to fight me. Get a notch came over and said you're not fight him again johnny. That's our first rounder. Stay away from host. Saw us pretty lucky. Everybody respected knuckles on. I mean the guy did it for a long time. It was really tough. Guy was really good to his teammates. Did everything so. Johnny stayed away from me for the race attorney. Kevin non show happy that happen actually end up vitamin combat fought. He played for quebec. And i guess he never forgot it and ended up fighting them in quebec in it. What did he go so while as the first one did shed. A lot of bobble bob bumps on my head here like thinking. Oh my god all these bumps in my head. I can't even the helmet back. I'm so heating. The infringement was was chellios doing the sauna trick back then when he was going on. You guys have a song at that. Point either retreated back. Then now we're not that old bizzare he was he was he was doing it. Man i tell you we were. Good friends china. He was just an amazing person. Great teammate and we were tight really tight and he could go down to the last the last drink was done and then we head home but he'd be the first guy rink the next day and in the sauna and doing sonic cold top from back. Then he do it. We didn't have a cold tub at that time. We just had the sauna but he do the sonnet ride. The bike in assigned push-ups and sit-ups in the sauna and this would be before we even went on the ice for practice. So that's how early he'd get your you just a machine. The guy's a machine on and off the ice in one of my closest friends friends off disinterested incredible dude. He's got even better better. I'll tell you what we challenge. He's a good swimmer. I shooter really good swimmers. I'll never forget the night Winston churchill's as the first ever seen him swim the bar but he jumped off in the barn swims down. The bar drinks and blast all. Oh my god ended shooter right behind them. Same you're a college buddies. I guess they were good friends but was to in just great great great morale high. Just it just all of a sudden they see you hear all the glass break and these guys are swimming across the bar. I'm just yeah. I'm just thinking. Oh my god here we go. There's going to be another we're gonna be out of this place real quick and they just left the mid august thinking he had been there already. I'm sure that'll be four in front of them and they just let them do you wanna do he was. He was like a god montreal. He was like a legend. Charlie loved them so he was allowed to do pretty much anything he wanted to do back in the day. You know things have changed now telephones in all this stuff you can't. You can't do the things we didn't back in the day not a chance. I feel bad guys. They don't have nearly as much fun as us. That's for sure all god. No i wouldn't mind. All i know is when i ended on older player in your generation. Tell me that with the no cell phones you just got home from the bar and you checked and you just prayed that. That red light was blinking that you had a message like that's old school. Have fun. But i think this summer summer of ninety two you get traded from montreal to edmonton and vincent damn yeah now as a guy who got traded. Mid season of team won the stanley. Cup and pittsburgh shadow chris kunitz. Did you have any chance when you got dealt that they were gonna had a chance to go on and win the cup next year. I mean i would never count canadians out special with patrick. While right patty wa was just incredible. He could win a championship on his own. He was that good he just seemed to play them better in the playoffs and the bruins fans of seen him for many years. He could win hockey games on his own. So i never count them out. But i didn't. I wasn't sure there. Are that good good enough to win. But i knew they were good but with patti. Never come out in. I mean getting traded. Like i said i never watched. I can't watch stanton number one cup. So i can't watch guys carry the cup around after the game like i just turned the tv off after the game's over right away. I don't wanna watch that. And i mean i'm happy for them and i'm even happier for vinnie. Damn foods i mean. He played his whole life. Want to win the stanley cup of worked hard great player and i actually ended up playing with anyone who went back to montreal. My second stint. He's just a super guy teammates song. I'm happy as can be from that. He wanted to come but it was definitely really hard on me. Watching them carry the cup around but at the same time super happy for the organization super happy for all those teams have played a lot of them and and they deserve it. They worked hard and they were the best team that year in what an interesting spot you're in edmonton and the difference being is post dynasty. Every everyone's pretty moved on pretty much moved on. You said i think taken in was there. Yeah it must have been hard coming from such a winning culture to go into a place that all of a sudden overnight just so different than the prior ten ten years. Yeah but it was a different chapter in my life. I mean i like you said with with being montreal for the first six years. We had a chance to to go deep in the playoffs every year and we did most years doesn't one year. I think we lost a boston. I think that's where all changes start album. We lost the boston. Four games the one my second last year. I think if i'm amish. Die eight that was when they finally beat the jinx. Nearly owned years. I was at that game. I was at college. In the in the clincher. Yeah so they think. Start changing them. But i mean going what's going to happen. It was different shop. You're right. The dynasty was gone. We were pretty young team We weren't winning a lot and it was. It was tough. I mean we all love to win. I mean it's not always all but well yeah it is. It's always about winning. Let's be honest but we had a great group of guys earned was just. I learned a lot from those guys. They're not in my experience there. I loved evanston like the city itself. I enjoyed it because they love their all. They're old school hard-working blue-collar people love guys to come and play the game. That i played it so i i was treated fairly. I'm really well there. But it was a tough time in my career and Ended up signing as a restricted free agent saint louis after that but definitely a big change going from montreal edmonton but i did still really dry made some great friends there to luke richardson. Dave manson's of beautician Kelly buchberger Louis debrosse A great person. I mean louis was amazing. Person was great for our team. And i just go on and on about the old group guys aren't rotten dougie wait. Was there at the time. Great hockey player Bernie nicholls was hilarious claim. It was just a beautician. Double time then. You must have some and stories which is mentioned. but he's no Is one of the best occupiers ever played with. And i mean he was the word people ask me who chirp the most who was like the biggest ride on the team the ever played with and i'd say tech like every time we trip. No one can understand him. We couldn't even teams. We couldn't understand. It was unbelievable. What did you say tech. And he chairman the other team and nobody even understand he was saying but that guy was so competitive and so intense and a great hockey player. And there's another guy that doesn't get the credit deserves. He could do it offensively and defensively and he did. He did it kill. Penalties played the power plant which is the super super player and a great occupier in that he liked to have a good time off the to most do. Yeah yeah. so we've heard we mentioned. Saint louis you sign. There is a free agent on july. Twenty eighth nineteen ninety-five. Why did you settle on saint. Louis what was the the main decision to be honest. I was a restricted. Free agent was the only offer the table. I mean not acting. Not not that back then. There's no not much movement and restricted free agent. There's only two or three players. At that time it moves. I think There was the shanahan the stevens deal. And then i don't know if there's another one or not by them but i know Yeah it was tough tried dealer glenn state mr Who was jim at time. And he was an amazing jam. Like that guy was incredible. Even coaches for a while but He didn't want to give me the money. And i actually have the opportunity magic stadium to ourselves back then. We were repaid dollars in canada. And then when you went to stage you've got us dollars. And i liked it so much. And i said i'll play for what they offered me in. Us canadian to and he didn't wanna do it. He had a number of his head. And you talk. That's off the gold share. And you wouldn't you wouldn't give in and then my sign with me call me was treated you like a sunny was pissed off of me but i mean i had to do what was best for me and i knew that saint louis had a really good team to that point. They had some really good key players. I played for keenum before in the canada cup. Ninety one and i know that he liked the style of play. I played and i knew i'd get the army to play In good situations in the play good players so But quite honestly the as a restricted free agent was really. The only other offer happened the table and i jumped on. I did younger. Listen back then. The compensation was so much different. Like you sign with saint louis and as a result of that. The oil were awarded. Curtis joseph resolve that sign and same thing. When i signed was kevin stevens and then a gentleman. It was such a crazy system back then but then you ended up getting the captaincy but that must have been a little awkward because brett hull had it before you. Yeah we'll go back to the other stuff there used to be you could pick up. Pickups like first round picks second round picks Together package but they ended up giving kusel end. Mike rare who actually turned into a really good player. Mike rose a good right winger and played played really wealthy so i mean i love playing saint louis in. I thought i did a pretty good job. Short time was air but They really to curtis joseph. Why play with later. Just a great person. Great goaltender rob said. He should be in the hall of fame. Migrant was a heck of a hockey player to on. And then i went to like you said i went to st louis and I was a captain in san was actually captain evanston too. I was named captain by the oilers but when i was doing my contract all that and got into a bit of a battle with george burnett who was my coach. A young coach was young. Captain he wanted me to do some things that i didn't think were right for captain to do and so we just had different views on what a and should be beast. We kind of decided that probably wasn't the best idea. That'd be a cabinet. Not only that. The contract situation wasn't going well so i just thought it was that i wasn't We're on the timing. End up. Leaving and going to st louis and saying that you're right. It was really awkward. I mean they gave took the she off. Brad hall who. I think's one of the greatest players in just one of the most funny guys ever played with one of the most talented players played with playing with immigrants in saint louis online when niagara lewis in the trade but it was really tough. Yeah i mean it's an honor to wear the I enjoyed it. But i only worked for short period of time there too because i was more than happy to give it to wayne. Gretzky was worth one of the greatest players ever and he didn't want it but he deserved should happen. And to be honest. I was kind of happy. Get rid of it at time. Got in situation. I didn't really want it. I mean holly was a great player so hall of famer and he's definitely one of the leaders of our teams and it was just a mike didn't get along great. Not quite happened are you. There were you there the time when he made him serve the the too many men penalty. I would've loved to see. I heard a lot of holy stories about what allowed to see that one But i mean holly. I remember one where they told. Holly goes serve the penalty. He said i don't serve penalties and they said no. You're going to serve the penalty so he went. He went served apparently and comes out of the penalty box. And not to get a break. When that's the thought process of appointing some of your top players in the coaches nowadays. They think box get a breakway. Holly gets on a breakaway. Goes down the ice and dumps. The corner comes back benches. I told you don't serve fucking penalties. Turn breakway dumps in the so. I've heard that story in. Its police like most more talented players ever played with one of the funniest guys got the best of the best one liners. I've ever ever her and it's even sometimes towards you. But you gotta laugh about like i remember. We were playing together. gregoire scenario. And we've for some reason. They put a twist on line for for a chef because guys like running around and taking advantage of holly more than me and gonna beat me out. But we're more more worried about holly honesty. He's the seventy goalscorer right so we come back. The vegetable he turns on the key goes get him off our twister but just because he knew to just not just holly right like that's how he didn't mean anything by it. You just a funny person but that kid could. That could play the game. I mean people ask me about him. he's he's a good. He was always really good to me. He's funny he's funny as hell and he can play the game and he can play. He's not just a goal scorer that guy could pass the puck and he was good defensively. That guy was a helluva of occupier in in saint louis a u. Played with the man who be the final person to ever play an nhl game with the helmet on and craig mctavish at the time. Had guys think he was not or was it just like you know. This is what he's always done or was it starting to be like dude. You're the only person that doesn't have the lid on. I'm going to tell you got to play the in evanston in saint louis an animal. You'll be on the face off. That'd be like any headbutting. He has no helmet on the app. Alanon i'm going like what are you mac. He was an animal. Mackey was one of the most competitive players. Another guy that i played with with so competitive. Nobody knew he held everything in but he was competitive and he didn't say a lot but when he dead people less than they respected track. Matab mission. I remember getting traded from saint. Louis can i can't remember if were colorado memory. Barron got traded to montreal. For a pure turgeon and conroy. Who turned into a pretty good player. Then fit fitzpatrick never played. I don't think he played or maybe played a couple of games but member walk into the room. Just pointed weak point at us and told us was keen on. that's true. Did it right to walk. And he goes. You're traded. He had no feelings. He just did it and that was but i remember walk in the room. We had a close group of guys in saint louis. We had that good run in the playoffs. When we traded for grad a member like guys tears mackey was one of them in. Makati set some really kind things about were reverted myself. After we'd left team and assist the type of person who is he was just a great leader and competitive than just crazy. But i mean i just i mean i wear a visor aware of mouthguard And i thought that was stupid or crazy. Whatever you wanna call it. And he was out there flying around with no helmet on. He wasn't played again. His hair look great and everything was always in place and he wasn't like he played a soft game either. He played a nasty mean talking. He played He played hard every night in lakewood said oh. It's funny but he's not. He's serious when he would go. On to face off he was headbutting. Other guy different matter the guy him on he did. He was just an unbelievable player. Intense player shane february. Like you said you guys get gretzky. First year in saint louis did any guys in the room having idea it was going to happen. Was it a total surprise. Dick through that whole journey of getting clean gretzky at the trade deadline. Anytime she a team it could trade a matter who is four. You're gonna miss them right But i came. There was rumblings that we all knew while keenan komo he'd make trades all time just for making trade. Did matter if it was going to help. The we're not needed to make trader too but We were roaming about a trade happening but we didn't wayne gretzky the best player to play the game and when he got him the old address room. I just left it up saying now. We're going to miss the guys that we trade because they were part of our team and there were younger guys. Were just coming up and trying to the guys. I had my house for for christmas. Dinners and thanksgiving dinners. Because they were young guys around their own out at my place but to get the best player in the world. You knew your chances of doing the playoffs for lot greater. I'll say it again. Means lots me is always a great player but he was just a great person. Great leader in that. Come over and be the copper hockey team and just give us that extra boost going into the playoffs in the second half. The season was incredible. I know there's a lot of scuttle bug that mike keenan treated him like every other guy. Is that accurate. Did he treat him like every every other guy in the room with did he give them a little leeway because he was wayne gretzky. He gave a little league because he was. That'd be tell you that. I can say he now saying that key. Mike was hard on a lot of guys. I mean you've got you've got to get the best of the players. I'm a big believer. I've learned more over my career in over. My life is treat people a little bit different. You can't get can't wack and beat people get that with me. You could do that to me. You could beat me in harp at me and beyond me all the time you get the best in the other guys. We just tell you that y'all fuck off. I'm not taking not nepali. Be one of them. Don't don't do that. The he just got encourage them and be good with him but he he gave grads simply way for sure and Who didn't i mean anybody that ever played against them played with them. You always gave wayne gretzky's leeway because he's the greatest player to play the game. I mean i love gordie. Howe and bobby orne. Lemieux was another unbelievable great player. That i was dropped the same year but every wayne gretzky a little bit of i think anybody even played with played against it would say that but insane that keenum was harden. Almost everybody else and polly was guys. He was the hardest arm. But i look back. I think that he did that because he knew how good those guys were and wanted to get the best out of his best players but sometimes you have to use a different angle with different players different personalities were the fuck you matches pretty common with keenum. Would you go in the office. I'll tell you a few of mike. I seen a few of mike. And holly holly through escape at him. Once i had moral i had more hickup yet. Through adam yeah. He didn't mean to hit him. I was throwing them for more for the show for the boys room. Because we got a good kick out of it. But i i mean there is one time when i went into. This is what i'd made captain and he called me into his office. Mike didn't I remember Jimmy roberts was the assistant coach there at the time. I think it was Who's the other assistant. Coach used to wipe wipe the white towel on the on the on the stick in vancouver there anyways. They're sitting in the room. There and keenan has called me. And i don't like what the heck is you want to come in the in the in the calls me kitchen goes. When are you gonna fucking grab brought all by the throat. I said what what i'm thinking. I did not say i'm just single. What he was gonna grab my throat. And i said never Grab one of my teammates by the throat. I mean he's one of the greatest players to play the game and he's a hall of fame and i'm not gonna do that and he expected me he wanted me and that's the type might was. Mike wanted you to get guys going and motivation and even be like a little bit more aggressive with him. And i i just. I couldn't do that. Sure enough the next game. I did play a whole lot. But that's okay. Holly was a great teammate. And i think there was just so much animosity between those two that it was hard it was hard for them both to be in the same dress from on the same team at the same time and i think a lot of it was i mean holly was a great player in mike for me was a great coach. But i just think they're personnel. Didn't match for a while and it was just something that i don't think they could exist in the same dress from the same hockey team. But it was a crazy moment at. That's what the fuck you match rumour with bernie. I mean pat burns was like a father to me and i played with a platform for six years. Incredible to me. But i'll never forget the time and we all know what we've done this before replying and we think we're like someone may be having one of the better team. We play more than we than we are remember. Forget we're in montreal forum or playing a reuse plan with me and i think it was what have been jails table or something like that or screw. He was playing with us at that time. Branch fruit lynn. And that's year that Reset fifty goals year before on pace. Get another fifty and we're in the game to be honest. were terrible. We're playing like and we know but we still thought we should be plan. Burns calls off. The ice slammed the gate. You know win biz. That's the way we tell coach. We're not happy right. So i slammed the gave him look down on me. Doesn't saying we go back in the next couple of shifts later same thing he pulls off the ice lacquer about twenty seconds so i come in slam to get a little bit harder. He comes down and looks leans over Goes into mayor us that fucking again. You're gone nothing really. You won't do that to me right. Self three shifts later were in the near the end of the second period. I come off the ice. I thought it was a short shift. I slammed the gate. He comes down grabbing by the back of the jersey yanks off the bench goes get the fuck off the bench. Go to the room and get undressed. You're done for the rest of the game. My goodness i. I look back on the back of the floor laying there looking up at the roof. While he's all the banners the great much as players that played thinking. What did i just do right. And you know the old forum are you. Don't you'll forum where you got to walk by the bench all the top dogs. Should the rocket recharge. John belleville our president ronald corey on there. I am with my tail between my legs walking off the bench. Go into the room. And i'm thinking what am i gonna do now. He's pissed burns. He's got red cheeks. Scott read in his years rat and blah blah blah and. I'm thinking. Oh my god i'm dead. He watched in the room. I'm sitting there and he starts yelling. I'm youth condition your terrible. You're playing often and you wanna back. Talk slammed the gate. you're done. Take all your side half my gear off. So i didn't know what to do so i went in the bathroom. Stick room Where we cut sticks and curved them and should that's would was in bizzare and night. Nolan would sticks rope anyways and i'm sitting. I'm just picking on my god. I'm done like they're going to trade now. I'm going to go to the miners or something. Right larry robbins comes into room time. What larry being a leader he comes in the room. I hear him talking to the guys. I see him. Walk out of the hallway in burns's dressing sexy burns. Josh from where i was and i kind of was when i there was hoping maybe come and talk me after burns we did. Larry goes in into the room. I seem commodity down and goes. Put your gear back on kid as to why you guys put your back on. So i went back and my gear back on play in the third period burns play showed me everything was forgotten. That's the type of guy. Larry robinson ezekiel he went with. That's an old story. It's an ultra if any just he's just he's just one of those guys that he's got your back and he was a great teammate. And that just shows respect. That pat burns had furlough rob's too and it was lucky that i had people like that around me to save me a few times Trust me i'd probably deserve more than what i got. It probably should have been out of the game and missed a few games. After a by larry shaved my boss was that line in the third a lot of ice time. I don't think. I don't think i got but i played a lot but i can't. I might spirit somebody to ensure third assessed. I might have to come around the penalty box. But we'll talk about one another time round two and three for us You say in ninety one made canada cup team and then in ninety eight you put in the olympics in gano ninety six world cup. Did you get snob. were you injured. What happened there now. I gots not really. And then they lost faulk and missing missing corso. Gm they miss corwin in ninety. Eight course was there. I need within within the metal device scripts didn't go in the shootout so much. Talk for me for me. Yeah the the olympics for me was probably one of the greatest moments of my career my life and one of the most upsetting and disappointing years mike times in my career i mean get the opportunity to go play in the olympics in ninety eight and play with some of the greatest players. Actually play lindros online. That you're supposed to be paul korea because we play together in the world championships that year before macrae got hurt shooter hit him and he had to concussion thing but i mean you go there and play and be a party opening ceremonies and play with all the other lafley not for me stands out is the play all these other. Amateur athletes Arms professional athletes have got paid to play a game. We love the play. You see all these athletes. Make these sacrifices Their eraser or there could be over within a second and they just spent four years life working for not getting paid into a network other jobs do it so it just taught me a lesson. I was so lucky fortunate to play a game that i love the play. What probably played for free but they wanted to pay for it so why not. I'll take the paycheck but the be part of that and just to get to meet. All the other athletes participate in watching their eventually. Which just incredible feeling to be around. All other athletes. Raleigh other countries and eating in the same cafeteria. Different food was just incredible. But to lose a seat in the semifinal game and to lose in the shootout the hasek in the czech team into have wayne. Gretzky shipments out. He was actually sit right beside me in. I mean every time there was a player pick in the shootout and we have great players. Along ray bork was my roommate at the olympics with flurry and Keep prima where where our room was working. A fremont flavor our room. But i mean ray bork with i wanna say to. How many breakaways does he get right. And you'll get the best players sitting on the bench and every time someone was picked on looking over my shoulder. Got crawford thicken. When's grad school in the greatest player and he built for this. I mean he's gonna score probably. Doesn't he score right so to lose like that. The the greatest player of the game or one of the greatest players play in my personal opinion the greatest player not shoot. It was one of the biggest disappointments and then top it off. We go onto the bronze game and you know house hockey players. Are we want stanley cup. Or the gold medal or nothing at that point to get fired up for that. But then you look back right wit and bizzare and look back and go. Why don't we play a great game. That game and get lebron's miami. People get a bronze medal from the olympics. That could be summer my house. I don't know. I might have it in the basement or in somewhere but i remember going to work harder. I remember world juniors to getting that speech we lost some to cannon halifax and then had finland. We lost the game. we didn't get the bronze. But before the game the coaches talking like guys got like you don't understand how big a metal would be. It's very true and at the time players. You didn't care about anything especially canadians. You're looking for gold. Yeah you're right. That's the thing we were looking for. All your showdown and depressed in just. We didn't want to play the game. Then the checks and win the gold medal. I guess what they asked for our plane to fly home charter plane. Then you know the canes said fuck off not a fucking chance. I'll get your own plan. Get your own place. You're on your way home. You won the gold medal enjoy it. Wow i gotta ask like was it talked about in the locker room right after or was it still pretty somber or a what. What's the feeling there. I after the shootout yeah like it was pretty. Yeah it was it was pretty. It was pretty somber and they'll be really said a whole lot. And i got so you know how you guys even around them so classy and it never say anything in front. Anybody just did with class and we went out for beers japanese beers after the smaller group. Like eight of us. I think he made his true feelings while known that he wasn't the happiest but he accepted the the coach's decision but he thinks he should have been in the shootout in east one trillion percent right. He should've been not shoot salt. I think everybody was disappointed. Frustrated pissed off that he was in the shootout. But again you have to respect the coaches in their decisions. I mean what did crawford saying. The media I didn't read a whole lot At that time. I didn't But i i think he made some excuse or we did do it. We practice the shoots. Every every practice practice in i think the goalies had some input on who was good on shootouts and all that but i mean at that point you got twenty the best players from canada. I think they're all pretty good. But you got the best player in the world sitting on your bench. I think you're going to send him in on on. Bring me so. I get what went on there. I don't know if there's a backstory to all of it. I just don't know i don't i don't understand it never will understand it and i'll never forget it. It's it's something that i just can't believe that he didn't go on the shootout and to this day i don't i don't know i don't know the houston. I mean you guys should get him on ask him the ideal could begin for us. She and i wanted to ask that. You know linda. Russia's named the captain. Bobby clark was the. Gm of the team wasn't gretzky wasn't book wasn't eisman. How did the vets in the room react to the fact that this young stud was the captain of the canadian olympic team. At the time. I think everybody Honestly was looking like it was kind of Torch okay next group of players. I mean you name. Three guys were well deserving of the captaincy in bar become close with my roommate the olympics and stay in touch with barking. He just an incredible person. Great leader would allow them off the play with him and played for 'em as as him being our captain. Obviously grad school was a great cap. I honestly think that they were looking towards the next year's and having in getting an those guys around teach him the ropes little bit. Were borking mass. Those guys is making all teach him the ropes. Vote the captain on a team. Canada teammates. There's a lot pressure. And i think even sometimes more so than your your team collaboration with the represent your country. There's a lot of pressure on the expect. A lot from you so i think they were just thinking for the future and have those guys still around not the top of their game. That helped him. Pass the torch them and teach him the ropes of being a good captain for for canada. In also bobby clark cubans gap and happy on your and you know what one hundred percent right and bobby bobby clark bob. Gm so Both gm's helped me on the team to that guy. Know that for fact than actually Yeah bob gainey was a big fan of mine. So i think having him in my corner definitely helped me get on that team for sure and then that's face a boys and we all know a baltics. Politics plays a game a game in hockey women's hockey men's hockey in at every level. So let's not kid ourselves. So that's what i mean by to get. You gotta get a break you gotta have. Somebody believes in youtube and gives you that opportunity to be successful on and do great things. I mean we have even covered toronto. Yet we've been going along here. Let's let's let's dive own at quickly going toronto. Was you know what i mean. I was hard. I'll be honest. I love playing montreal. They gave me an opportunity to play in the game and realize my dream. It was just an incredible place to play. The city was amazing to me. The organization treated me like like old. And i had a really tough tough time at that time was going through some mental health illness issues and i think a big part was do i sign in toronto. Where my brother-in-law's plan. My sisters are close by my mom's close by dad died at forty five. All my friends are here. Toronto groping leaf fan. You know the toronto. Or do i go to stay mantra. Mantra offered me a contract. I stay in montreal. Where i family and friends in montreal to write. My wife's from montreal. May two of my kids were born on. One was born in st louis one in evanston but i had a lot of ties montreal too so it was a tough decision but ultimately landed. I could have went to philly. Philly's offer something talking about bobby clark. They had offered me a contract to in philly would have a fun place to play in philly but it all came down to being close to my family my friends and looking at the team. The lease had a great team. Time that cujo Sundin mogilny and some great players here. And i made the decision to come home and play for my team that i dreamed of playing for my whole life and it was it was number will feeling to put that leaf jersey on the twenty seven on being daryl. Schiller was one. What my favorite players Bobby clark and Treachery with three of my favorite players. Put his jersey on the maple leaf. Jersey's pretty incredible by was one of the toughest decisions i ever made. I'll touch on the mental. How stuff i mean. You've been a pretty big advocate ford. You've been very open about it now. Did you say it started when you first got to toronto. No i suffered. I knew. I had anxiety and i was diagnosed when i was fifteen. And it's got something to do with stress nerves too. I think the class. I really believe that it's grown declined. But i suffer from anxiety all the way through my life and it just got worse. And then when my dad ashley went to another level My dad tried to medicaid with alcohol out of and different things and and then it just escalated as i went through my career and then i think it it hit. I hit rock bottom. When i was in toronto for sure but when i was trying to make that decision to leave montreal comes to tron or somewhere else. It's when it really went into like i high gear in. I start having really bad panic. Attacks and alvin heart attack. Diana my heart was going to stop beating in all kinds of stuff. Yeah so it escalated. When i came to toronto When i left the team the playoffs that year. There's all kinds of rumors flying around all bunched shed and i don't care i really don't care that people know me i am and want him about and i left the team. I got the help. I need to get help and if i would not got. That helped to be honest guys. I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you guys today so i'm lucky chain. Do you think the same thing would have happened in. A different city was destined to happen. Did happen because you were in toronto at that particular time. I don't think it had any do with the was to be honest. I mean the pressure playing a mantra on toronto and edmonton hockey hockey. Towns allowed their hockey. I love the pressure of the game hockey. I think it's everything else around the hockey. And i honestly believe it. I never dealt my dad's death properly either in something that i needed to do and i finally dealt with that but others just life life. Everybody goes she'll pressures in An emotions and you could not okay. It's you're not alone. You're gonna have option downs in find the tools that work for you help you get through those times and i actually finally took the time to admit that i needed help. I need to get the help the proper help. 'cause everybody's help is different and the support that i needed but every help is different than what they need to get. Better is different than the next person. Not something i learnt. So i i got the tools now that entrust mammoth tough times from every day. I have days run. They're not great. But i have the tools to deal with those things so i don't think it's necessary where it happened. I just think it was going to happen. I should've dealt with it years ago and it wouldn't have escalated got to isn't it so wild that like as amazing as your dream coming true and making it to the nhl is a lot of the stuff that kind of goes on away from the rink might be amazing memories but it. It's probably not healthy for guys to. I mean the way you party in way you go out and you're you're living the fast life not just saying you like so many guys. Then you're having a blast and you just get a little older and you're like all like that's not good for you as a person so it is harder as you get older and out of the game and i'm happy for you. You able to really get the help you needed. Yeah thanks where i mean. You're you're one hundred percent right though. The lifestyle we live and definitely doesn't help. I mean in some guys go the extreme. I mean i've never. I've never done drugs in my entire life. I mean alcohol's a drug but alcohol was my choice And i i did it a lot. It was a way to escape my pain of losing my father. In other other. Stresses in life. And i did it a lot. I mean i got into the added i got hooked on it and to on top of that so drinking and i go to point where you know one out of them would put most people. I was taking eight to ten a day late. Mike moore an empty even in between periods and before practices so it was tough. But like you. I got the sport that needed the help and and and doing veteran. I mean it's it's vattel everyday. And i'm an i got the right people in the right things around me but definitely the way we live. The sleep sleeping is different. That's not even our fall. We get in late at night. We get to bed at two three in the morning and maybe taken out of man to get to sleep or something. You have a couple of beers to try to get to sleep. And then we're at different times all time. So the lifestyle which people don't understand is funding. It's it's awesome. We're lucky for sure. I would never do anything different. I'm the luckiest guy in the world hockey game. Every my friendships my memories And and and paid good money to to play a sport. I would played for free but it's all the other things outside of the game that people don't see in the stress in the and the the decisions you have to make the distress it puts on your families and your friends and and stuff and and as people were human beings make mistakes too. I made mistakes off the ice and mistakes financially sometimes in different things in that type of person that those things wear on you. So it's tough. I said you should find an admit need help. Get the help and get the proper I've been lucky. And i appreciate the you brought that up. It's such a separation from reality especially when it's would ends up being all over to right. It's you're you're not only being stripped of your livelihood but it's just you go from from essentially being desensitized desensitized to a lot of things. You live this fast paced lifestyle and and now it's not there and i appreciate you being very vocal about domain. 'cause there's so many people out there that are dealing with a lot of issues in mental health problems so i know it's a tough way to to end. This conversation are l. Third over to you. I think you had one more. Yeah i was gonna say she. And a lotta guys especially my generation. We're in a few years apart. You know the hot guys they don't wanna talk about that feels and i'm from that generation as well but would you suggest to other guys who are struggling with that first step to say. Hey man i need fucking help. That is the hottest part for guys to admit and yes it's guys it's more specific demand than women. Like how do i get help. What are what's the what's the easiest way to say. I need help to somebody. Well a you're right i. I was from the same cloth. All the guys that are on this. Podcast prague from the same same cloth. I mean it wasn't the easiest thing to do. That's why hit for so many years. I was afraid to has embarrassed shy. I thought it was weakness. I thought maybe competitors would take it as a weakness to use it and back in the day. They probably what it used it. That's just the way the game was back down Honestly the first step is just to make you need the help and asks for the help and It's not easy the it sounds easy and it's not because it's not easy to do. It took me years to admit that. I need help. And get that out. But i always stick to a couple of things in it's It's okay not to be okay and you're not alone and of the biggest when i finally left leafs in the playoffs was the hardest thing i've ever done. My entire life is i. Love love the game hockey. And i love playoff time. There's nothing better than the playoff time. But i knew divided leave after that game might not be around today or the next day or the next day back then but i wouldn't be. I wouldn't be around today. If i did and i went and got help i needed but what i would say to them is. If you don't it's only gonna get worse and then you're not gonna around you're gonna it's gonna hurt a lot of other people around you not just yourself and that something i started thinking about you know how. How would hurt my family. My kids my wife. My friends my mom. My sisters and i just got to the point where i wanted to. I wanted to be around still. So i knew that i needed to ask for the help and soon as i left in laugh beliefs and realize i need the help. I felt hundred hundred. They took a piano off my back. And i mean and then when i start talking about it and that's why i love doing podcasts. Like this i love talking to people like you that understand both sides of it and get it because you can use your platform to help people. 'cause we talk about all hockey stuff in their great stories in they're finding. I would never chance. Still have those. And i can't wait to come to boston and have some fun with you guys and tell more stories. Whether it's on the podcasts. Or not but what helped. When i kick him out to me said you help me. You saved my life by talking about your struggled with mental health. Thatch for me is more important. anything. I didn't hotmail and it always will be not. I love doing these things but for me it would just be a new set it already. You said it. Ask for the help and don't be shy. Don't be embarrassed. And it's not a sign of weakness. It's an illness. It's not a sign of weakness. It's like getting a a torn ligament your knee doctor. Their doctors out there that can help you. You're not alone and you and you can get through you can get better and you can live a somewhat normal life if you do the right things. Well thank you so much for joining unbelievably look for we look forward to getting to meet you in person and go over some more parts of your career because there's so much to cover and i think that everyone that's listening especially to the especially to the end is going to enjoy and understand where you're coming from so we appreciate it by the way shane. Get my number from seeking tex-mex. Boston we've got to get a couple of cold ones down. You'll get sick taxi you so much. I just want to roll dice. I gotta tell you guys. I mean i really appreciate. You have me on a a side hockey stuff. You guys have done a great job and just keep doing. You're doing because it's fun as hell. It helps me get on here taller stories because we can live within the past a little bit so it's fun for us and then you give up the opportunity for use your platform to help other people. I think it's just incredible and not only not. You've been successful so good for good for you guys i i. I'm really happy for his more than shane. Thank you for opening up at the end. I think a lot of people are gonna really gonna like that and you know it's it takes a lot of strength so thank you so much on the stories at the beginning were out of control man. That's exactly what are fans love as well so Looking forward to grab some pops in person. Yeah i'd love to see you guys get to know us even better than from finally as in-person also shame we wanna thank you Dot his teammate. By molly slow. She was huge integral pot. Cooking the pig whitney cup a few weeks ago awesome kid. She facilitate holding so huge. Thanks to mal boston college making this happen. Yeah i gotta say that molly and it is a great girl and her family are great. People on willis been locking up to come to boston. Plant boston college and a lot of good people. Most the kids are from the boston area. There are just incredible people. And they've been really good with willow and and super me. And i'll tell you what never mind about the boys hockey. The girls hockey they can party. I've been out a few nights for them this life. Now we got plans in this place. Boys i went to donahue's circle tavern at the best time with the girls while the case of pink whitney said again that maybe celebrate next year's rookie party a trust me. They love this stuff. They love they love it. They love your candidate. Charted up here in canada guys sold out. Yeah we'll have to. We'll have to get a better steady stream going. What the pink. Whitney shot machine. Then we're talking. Don't get me started guys. Problem gonna tell you one thing. That's the problem with me. I only have one speed. Whatever i do i i. I'm shocked to hear that wit wit full-throttle boys as long as we're not getting any fucking bar fights their voice and we're not gonna roll. Doyle's bizzare trust me boys. That people have when i get drunk. I'm the hogger off. I'm just happy and we don't have to save each other so we do. I went for. I went from the fighter to the fucker to the hugger. Shame my progression against that's a good progression buddy talk to you later Huge thanks to shane. Costs of jumping almost was a blast fellas like we said after. Didn't feel like we doing it. Just an unreal of you'll great vibes and hopefully we'll be in boston. Have a few but all right gang. You celebrate the special woman in your life. Will mother's day is just around the corner and are tons of anniversaries this time of year. On blue nile dot com. You can easily navigate thousands of fine jewelry options at every price point pick from a vast selection of preset diamond jewelry because blue nile offers endless carrots medals settings that are ready to ship the same day. We can build your own diamond jewelry with online tools. That seamlessly walk you through the process. Blue nile is different from their competitors. They don't make up. 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Lot of anniversaries. Want to check that stuff felt by all means. So how's the hellraiser. You buddy thank you. I'm going to take a look at the east. the bruins have already been having a goalie. Issues to harass guy has been on injured reserve. now yaroslava halack in the code protocol. This just came out monday. I don't know how long he's going to be all fossil. Denver dire is going to get the reins tonight I know he's got another backup after him. So the covert continuing to wreak havoc throughout the league But the buffalo sabres we gotta give props dumped on them for months straight. They broke their eighteen game. Losing streak with a six one blow over who else the philadelphia flyers they have been. Oh fifteen and three since february twenty third and they also got a four game point streak on the savings due to to and they'll ask for so kudos to them play a little too far away but i bet on the philadelphia flyers much. I'm not sabres no earlier in the year i did. They won an in the street. I didn't until that night and they lost. I was okay with that too if you told me beforehand because the night before didn't they give up a the gave up a lead early right. They were down three one coming back. No oh philly. Philly came back in the against buffalo right. So you're thinking. They learned their lesson. They're going to have a better starting and take advantage of them tomorrow. And no i. I you know i actually texted morals. I said guarantee buffalo weinstein. I sent him the screenshot of the bat. And he's like oh my god. Of course he hops on so we both just so pathetic. Got murdered this week. I think though that that sabres the sabres are at least now have some good feelings in the room we should on. I'm like you know there's going to be a lot of guys out of there in the next week but at least they got to have that end and not be the longest of all time which is still i think the penguins since salary error whatever they tied them roughly two wet. Even though i had a seventy two to one horse the wood memorial raise the other day. I literally bet the horse because he was a long shot. Didn't know the name number. Check my tv account. He won seventy two one launch. Had a fifty bucks across the blood and they're picking like five five g's up for can legit. And that is the wit. Didn't know the name or the number. Yeah that's that's what i did is my brother liked the whole so my brother falls them quite a bit so i wouldn't bet that horse and then i was like i got a few extra bucks. Let me let me just wash. its and giggles. Then i went back to check it and even watch the race went back and saw my con- at about six grand more than it did an hour ago. So that'd be nice to that with seventy two to one opposite the other thing about the east you saw. Kyle paul mary. he is now sitting out. The new jersey devils are holding him out. they know they're going to trade him. And i think the boston bruins right. How could they use palmeri. He live he's lived in boston. A longtime in the off season i. I used to work out with them. Hairiest man alive. He's a monster had an. Oh my god. Poems robin williams that a bunch of teams in a lot of a lot of folks say folks are are leaning towards him being member of the islanders in the next week. But there's gonna be a bunch teams that want him and his goal scoring ability. I think he's had twenty four goals or more or less five or six years so he's guaranteed to play hard and then get in front and being able to score. Where who is the hairiest guy ever played with just insanely harry palms. I think all is that. I never played with them. I'm a harry bastard or number. Stephen dixon all dickey shave his knuckles used hong hair. Now i saw. He's he's a stallion but he had he would try triset hairs and he would always do it. We used to live the other. Three of us at roommates carso and he clogged up the drain constantly and our drain would always be backed up because this dude shaving a v neck too because he used to wear v necks. Trim with the clippers. And then he would shave. V-neck line the hair. V-neck moved at all when he spilled j. You just saw like a month abortion hair when you're just like oh get that feedback to the shape of a i. I think he was even using narrow at one point. That can't be good for you back. That's gotta be bad for your skin right. Yeah just. I mean it's just to grow worse off your hair. Yeah yeah great. I would pay. I would pay. I don't know fifty to one hundred grand to have every here removed from mike my waist down just like be and my waste. I don't know but it looks a little bit weird. Wouldn't cost that much. But yeah he gets in my nooks and crannies mike meal. Extra would you. Would you get your whole whack starring. would you give. That's kind of what. I was alluding to cost you a hundred grand. Yeah well no. I mean the whole body. Just take take fucking all the hair off you know like you know we gotta do we gotta go you a full bodyuard like for who may know and can you put a big clump. Put together like that magnify kids play with. Put it on my head when done in the member. willy willy. the thing with the magda can move on the cornhole hair on your four. No i get my leg. Hicfa maitha had the corner. I fucking donate. How much how much do you think. How do you think i would have to pay you. To lax hall are off. He signed he would give back that. Fucking pits dad. I fucking before narrative. You set your ears. How much you just want like a grand to do it. No cost ten grand. Wax is not worse to when you go warriors. Would you let me watch your about hall for ten grad. Who wait you pay me to let you accident on paying you to our aid. Take a free ten. G's wax kelly. I would have to get paid. 'cause i'm going to the torture of having to fucking do it. I want to do it when you have to go to the doctors and you gotta like show show them something like that. So embarrassing like dr shooting the show like. So what's up my i easily. Look michael on my buddy. Said one time he to get. Like what are you getting your your five whole hemorrhoids hemorrhoids removed and legit had to land aside and they spread open his ass cheeks things out. The two nurses he said were rockets. Most embarrassing degraded these heart. Girls were holding his ass cheeks apart so the doctor could cut out a hammer is all my guys guys are so stupid too. Because i've had situations where. Yeah the person coming is attractive in johnny guts hanging out and it's like bush stupid guys like we are going to look better. It's like you're in a doctor's office fucking seeing people all day. They don't give a fuck how you're not hitting on him. You're not like all right. You know that thinking that's disgusting. Is what your reasoning for. What you're doing is true. It's the only thing that could make it worse if you met a girl out exchange numbers and then pop in maybe thought you had a date lined up. And it's the rocket staring at your hand. Royds and i don't think you're getting a callback or or old right. Yank than that is if she like got home with her and she ripped his shirt averages like why is there a v. Shaved india chest hair and dickey's like i don't know i can think of a few other embarrassing incidences does what you just mentioned pommery. He's had at least twenty four goals in each of his first five seasons in new jersey. Of course he started his career anaheim and since fifteen sixteen only five right wingers have more goals than cain pasta kucherov atkinson and tarasenko show pretty good goalscorer. Somebody's gonna pick up and i know. Nhl room daily. Who does a great job on twitter. He gets a lot of good info he did say boston is in on him as well show. Obviously it will keep dumbbell bench in one twenty. Fives like i. I can do sixties. Could you have rancho one twenty five to one thousand five not a chance right now. You can't remember larry. I might be jaji and maybe it was one. Oh five it was definitely in the three digits. That's that's the flyers. Last week waved chain goss's beer. He did cl- waivers. Then he went to the taxi squad. He's got two more years left at four and a half million dollars three and a quarter in real dollars. Fill also sign michigan. Sophomore defenseman kim york use their first round. Pick in two thousand. Eighteen signed him to an entry level. Deal that starts this season but costa's bear. That was a bit of a shock. He looked like he was a key. Part of the future for that philadelphia team. And i think like other guys teams just throwing them out there. If someone wants them good then they got the sell off his hands if not then they go to the taxi squad which does give the team a little. Bit more financial flexibility show again. No pick them up. But it's probably not that big of a surprise do Mentioned we had earlier about all this issue maybe a guy who ends up in seattle and then like kana picks it up again. I mean he came into the league. Like a rocket. And i remember. He was at union one of the best college hockey players that year. If not the best they wanted all grenell right yes yes they did yes he came in and maybe he's game was figured out a little bit. He is very offensive. Probably kinda like struggles defensively. I mean i don't watch him enough to know exactly what the issues are. But you know people say turnovers can be an issue but like. I don't know because if you can skate. And you have a shot like he does and you get another chance to play more minutes and you. You're not. I don't think you've seen the end of them yet. But it certainly has been like it. Looked like it was going to be when he started in the league. Where you're like. Oh man this might be a fifty point guy. Yeah i i was gonna say. I think we've been having the conversation feels like every year. It's kind of like ever since he got paid the big money. They haven't really been able to get them playing like that again. And i don't know if it's for a lack of time is a provorov. Is that how. I say properly. Yeah i feel like he kind of took over that number one guy there in my keys i mean he's superior he is he just a better player and like maybe when you're not getting those reps it's hard for you to get back in those. You know that rhythm member member told moscow. Kabuli moved over from when he was playing like twenty five and i'm not saying i don't know if gossip spare was ever planned that much. But yeah when he came in it just seemed like he was given the full reins and he could do no wrong. He's never really been that player since it's good to see carter heart though. He played really good against the islanders. Sunday saturday and so like at least. That's some confidence for him. It's been such a tough year. My team my team. The flyers was talking very highly of them. Shockingly they've done the exact opposite of what i said. That's what i'm known for. That's what i do. I'll give you a team. I think can light up. And they're gonna suck a change of scenery for costas bail probably maybe rejuvenate his career as well the washington capitals. They swept in new jersey devils eight. No the season beat them all eight times. Alexander ovechkin is now tied for second power. Play goals with two hundred sixty five these Let's see nine back of dave andreychuk. He's at seven hundred twenty five goals now. Israeli six back of myself the on fifth all-time over we just keeps getting it done cap john and well shall we give a shuttle to the penguins. They've gone five straight. They jumped into third place in the division. Their goaltenders really settled down. Nice i think other than the shellac the bruins ends the other night dismissed as been lights out. Jerry's been playing. Well show pittsburgh turning things around quick. Sorry quickly are a Because you mentioned the Ovechkin what he's done barzal with. Maybe the nastiest hat trick. I've ever seen in my life and i will openly admit i'm starting to worry a little bit about the islanders. This could be becoming an issue in my brain. They are like such a machine the way they go about days and then they lose a game. Sure shit they bounce right back. They'll get your barzal. He scored one on this ridiculous wraparound on the side of the net. He batted one out of the out of the mid air. Like mike trout just rocket top shelf and then the other goal. I don't know the order these red but he walked through the entire team including embarrassing chart the blue line and then went shelf going full speed so he also added to assist show. I think he was player of the week in the nhl. But that hat trick. He scored three goals in three completely different ways. And reminding me that the islanders are starting to scare starting to win the division. I'm starting to think like that. They could win the cup. That's what i'm really panicking about. I'm not worried about the have They're gonna have some tough out. So i would imagine maybe getting boston first round. That's not going to be an easy. Yeah yeah i know. But it's no easy outs completely missing. Anders lee a huge loss. So they're going to have to go out and do something and you know will do something. He'll get somebody. Because i think he sees and you guys want you said last week when he has a chance to win he's going for it. What can islanders impel mary to boston. I thought i thought the islanders were a little horny or for for a guy like they are. They are yeah sure. A lot of teams are in on them. They want a bill long playoff run. Consider philly. the the calgary of the east eating. They're done yup. Yup i think that the the four teams are pretty much set there. I mean boston's kind of where it a little bit. But i think new york's little they've picked it up too much too late or too little too late. Holy shit. what's the saying too much to me. To little eight there we go and then phillies. Thanks and the devil stink and the sabres are embarrassing. So we'll see. Yeah you want to build for a long run. You want to get a good long run business. 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Go to get roman dot com slash checklist in you know be a champ in the bedroom i gang. The west dow we already did mentioned colorado. But they've been on fire lately. They had a foreign all week. Points in fourteen straight games. Twelve owned two in that time. Seven straight games with at least four goals during that streak little frank the tank action going off from colorado now or point lead over vagus vagus scuffling a little bit. They had their first three game losing streak of the season. They were swept by many this week as well. A mini keeps chugging along. They got swept by san jose. Many did then they swap vegas in vegas Very comfortably in third place in the division cam. Talbot was absolutely out of his mind in vegas and biz. We gotta give credits you up boys. The arizona coyotes up. Let's see one five out of six to leapfrog the slump and blues right now in fourth place with forty one point three point lead over saint louis jacob schick and got his first career hat he sunday night at three two win over the ducks biz. What he would he got far lots happening. Like san jose's all of a sudden came out of nowhere. They're playing so pretty good hockey. We'll get to them. After as far as the coyotes are concerned. Faulk managers finding ways to you mentioned What was it washington beating new jersey all eight times. You said yes. I feel like the coyotes are being taken advantage of all the bottom dwellers especially anaheim and in every every game. They came from behind to the other night. They didn't play so great. But jacob chicken i was. I've been talking about him. I've been pumping him up. Gets a fucking his first. Hat-trick scores the ot winter. Two and twelve goals. Now he's tied with the lead with darnell nurse so they're just getting some great contributions from the back and oliver's playing solid aiden hill's been great and they're just finding ways to win. I mean they got shellacked by colorado. Colorado owns their number where they just embarrassed some every time. I don't know how they're going to be able to figure that out everyone though. That's true. And i mean nine threes much five goals in the first outreach. But but who cares. As long as they're taking care of the business outside of like the you know the the vegas and colorado's like they got la tonight so i'm interested to see how they keep going there. Three points in a playoff spot and a big reason for that is because saint. Louis has taken a massive ole hole and shit. This is monday. Pennington's knocking the start tonight. Which is kinda surprising. He got off the. He's doing the extra work after the morning. Skate and i think that the problem for the blues there next twelve or thirteen games against teams that are in the playoffs right now and their division. So it's you know it's colorado. It's dealing with teams that you're like all faulk. We didn't wanna play minnesota. This often right like we didn't want to have to deal with these teams who are looking way better than we've looked in the last little while so it's surprising i mean perico zeman out. He wasn't playing while. But you still miss 'em right. You still miss the minutes. He can play. He skated today. So hopefully he's able to come back but offensively everything's just dried up and it's like i don't know if the coyotes can keep this up the one thing i'll say about the coach your team. I don't know if this year's like it's almost hurting them. Because they have zero draft picks almost like wonder if in a normal year like they'd be like trying to maybe obtain some draft picks by moving some guys but they feel like they gotta gopher where they're at it's just kinda like unfortunate for what happened and their draft future with with the former gm there and what he left them with because they have nothing like darlan like for instance and why are they talking about possibly trading him will because they got sign them next year right. I don't know what he's gonna command right. He's probably you definitely put him on par with keller as far as performance if not maybe even a little bit more superior in the way he's able to create on his own more and he's i would say he's probably our best ford overall so you're thinking what is he gonna ask for and at this particular moment based on what he can provide how many teams can get a guy that's producing like him at seven hundred fifty grand. Let's like for. The fourth liners are going to pick up down liner making more in a in a in a year where the cap is is so important. He sold much more valuable. I wouldn't giving give them up anything less than a first rounder and maybe even a prospect. Whoever's getting them they'll realizes that we he's our affairs but we gotta then sign them so if you're if you're trading a first round or something else like well we have to make sure we get the guy signed. Yeah maybe that would be a stipulation. That's done before before the trade but but yeah it would suck given the fact that they are in a playoff spot right now but i agree with you. I think that any asset they can move in order to gain draft picks. Do it name. They'll try to make it with what you got. Yeah i mean it's not gonna be able to. It's not going to be easy to fill goose. If alex collar doc- gets moved. There's like a number six guy 'cause we talked about last pot. He's transferred into that like penalty. Killer shot blocker. You can eat you up. Fifteen to eighteen consistent minutes of where. He's not making a ton of bonehead. Mistakes he's a decent puck mover. Wh what what. Our team's gonna value that at at this point johnson. I don't know he's got experience but he's got a no move clause don't know how that's gonna work out. So but yeah. I'm sure they're going to try to get crafty here towards the deadline. Yeah the blues of la la six street. Oh five and one that time. Just two wins in their last thirteen game so Yeah i think everybody expected a lot more out of them because you did mention the shocks. This is another team. We basically almost had a funeral on this podcast a few weeks ago. Well they had a forno weekday swept minnesota. Like i just said then. They swept the kings. They're just three points back of a playoff spot on and this is all because of motte jonsman his another guy we call earlier earlier this season versus the kings dish. Five five and one would a two three seven goals against nine three to save percentage and a shout. his save percentage had been ridiculously seven one one in his last nine games nine three four. This is the martin jones up a lot of people like years ago when he first got the san jose when they went to that cup. Run and you know. He's kind of disappearing but if he can keep this up. San jose could possibly sneak into the playoffs. We did get an all time quote From my era carlson who by the way his players stepped up as well He was asked after scoring two goals in the shootout win. If it was the best offensive game ever played g eric office game you've ever had Two goals and essentially hat trick when the game wondering about not even close not even not even close but like chop on the apple. And the guy's face at the same time like i if it's a power move that's a stupid thing to say but just fucking hilarious like not even close. That'd be that'd be me asking a question like that. If i was the one stuck on zoom call asking it where the player would be like. No you fucking loser be fuck thought. It was a great question. You get the best question for post game. Yeah just running up to my computer down the hall down the press level just be like dude about the hit out of the park and then fucking dunk on your face. At least you got a fucking quote to us anyways but any other notes from that division boys you want to share before we get to the cetera. Portion of the show know interesting to see what will happen at the deadline. I don't think vegas or colorado were doing much right Both those teams. I think are are. They can win the stanley cup with what they had. That probably look around and see what's going but they have no room either vegas so it wouldn't be surprised if they do something because they always seem to but they really have they'd have to move it. Be money for money. So we'll see what happens but the next week's going to be entertaining. 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Dryden mckay of minnesota state. That's interesting i name for a goalie. He's coming off twenty one and three season. The one three nine goals against ninety one. Save percentage ten shutouts hit twenty four shutouts three seasons second only behind ryan twenty six. But this kid is an undrafted. Free agent in consign anywhere. Once the season ends you stolen the frozen four. But that's crazy man to have the this kid has those kinds of numbers and nobody's drafted him so you got to agean again with toys. He's gonna have a lot of options. That's the ultimate is when you if you don't get your after kinda high sometimes a an age say oh you better off not getting draft and then you can really pick whoever wants you if you really pop off and certainly this has. It's cool from to be the only hobey baker final still playing as well. Yeah that's ultimate college campus. Walk through experience. If you're getting you know all these. Nhl tease say five interested. Your case and the pj. 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Now available in the app store. The wet dog like i said mass. Around the corner we just did a sandbag. Why don't we do. I am bag masters beggars. Just we kind of really did it before. It's the biggest. How many times can you say. I need to learn how to pot. I are used to i. I used to be a good putter. And then i've said this is my ball striking got better and then my putting's fallen off a cliff but somebody's like you practice putting on weight not really. I would have no idea how to practice. Putting i'd have to balls and partying range be putting around. It's like i don't know. I need to learn how to do it because you can't pot. You have no chance to continue momentum around rounds. It's like you have birdie putts you miss you miss you miss well. Then all of a sudden the birdie putts a seven-foot par save you miss that you're making bogeys. You haven't created any wiggle room with birdies. You're not winning any holes. When we're in these sandbags to my putting is fucking atrocious. It's disgusting the other day. I played i had thirty six parts of shut seventy five. It's what the fuck are you doing. Dude so i mean you're awful awful but we're working towards you getting lessons talk jupiter that it's time to really even hop into the video side of you getting good at golf. You're an athlete. I know it can happen. But moving on the masters jordan speech gets it done. And i am a huge jordan. Speed guy always have been my buddy mike riley rest in peace. Love kid talked about them. Passed away. He hated speech and we used to battle back and forth. He's he's always whining and he talked so much to his caddie and i just enjoy all of it. He's very vocal on the course. Roseana is ball. He's talking to the caddy. Michael gretler very intent intensely where they're discussing shot options and he's just like kind of a showman a little bit but he gives thoughtful legit answers and interviews. He's very well spoken any dominates augusta. So he finally wins for the first time in four years and then he's going to the course that he seems to always be in the hunt lookout. What do you think of him as well. I think you nailed that. He's yeah he's a bit He's a showman and i did notice from watching yesterday mentioned that i was at that was his place with me is i was. I was getting a little annoyed that before shot. Sometimes you back away. Like switch to claw be talking to his caddie. And i'm like other guys just seem to like stop. Hit the ball and he was planning against that hoffman. Who seems like an absolute beauty. Yeah he's he seems like a legend. Charlie haughey he's been on. He used to have a mullet biz. That's what they said. They said he looked like the all american like dude just out there playing golf dirt kana and i asked the guys. They said he's made about thirty million on tour in his career. Yeah he's been in the hunt at augusta too often but going back to speed is. Yeah i did notice that. He's he's a bit of a showman out there. And like i guess i really after hearing you talk about it. You're like well it's nice. It's a different type of personality. But i do respect the fact that he's so open and honest in interviews where it's like okay. Well at least he's able to get up there and say it where can be perceived as as bad as it may be is at sometimes and golfers are such like. I'm not remotely what it takes to become a professional golfer. Now i'm guessing there's some sort of like you never wanna show weakness right like brooks capco. The ultimate harto practice hall you know. He's just speeds the exact opposite where he lost his game and no lost his game right for for one of the best in the world but he dropped out of the top fifty in the world. He was number one at a time and he's talking like media like truthfully saying. I don't know where the ball's going. I have a two way miss. My putting isn't there and it's like it's so refreshing to hear what every person who loves golf goes through whether you're twenty handicap or you're a scratch golfer or you're a plus six professional remember. Every single guy has moment. Every single guy has moments in their career or in their life. Where you just. You're kind of lost and you don't know where the ball's going to hear the highest level. Say it. I've just always enjoyed how indepth go into his career. It makes me more of a fan of his. Do you think during this period of time where he hadn't won that it got like when you're watching them there are a lot of like kind of and that's where maybe people got a little bit like this people have always kind of just some. Some people have been so annoyed like how he is and how vocally is and when he's yelling at his ball and how disappointed he gets after a bad shot. I don't know it's like each his own in terms of what you root for. What type of athlete. You wanna watch. Are you a strong silent type fan wherever you want to see a guy who you're living with the highs and lows of every shot so that's kind of what he does masters week nothing beats it. Nothing beats and mikey can we talk about. I gotta barstool sports book going up. We can we talk about that or no. Yes absolutely pump the hell yes so i have a bet going on. I'm gonna pick five guys and you have to just have one of them finished in the top five and the odds are going to be boosted and if you hopping on this. Bet you're going to get a limited edition. Fresh pink. Whitney masters hoodie all time all time piece of merchandise sick so i know there's only certain states that right now you can do it with but that will be brought to you soon i think. Are you obviously throw in some money on. So maybe some long shots are my god. I'm drawing right now looking at the list. Like there's so many bombs out there. I mean we haven't had a huge one coming lately. Actually i think someone had fifty to one not too long ago. I'm drawing man like you. I mean these are named golf is at like two fifty to one hundred to one. I just got to fill in. One of these guys are gonna come in soon. With what a huge bomber. i'm going to I look at like softly. Twenty two one. He's going to win a major in day. Seventy five to one. I mean it's not out of rama. Possibility he would win this tournament. I who's been playing lately. i'm not. I don't keep track like you but i don't know this harris english hundred twenty five to one. I i hear his name my golf buddies here on the show. I'm definitely going to be sprinkle in the infield before before they kick off. 'cause that's the best time to get these great odds whose Who do you like the most going. Outright i'm so i i don't know the last time i should know the last time somebody repeated at an augusta does not happen often though not gonna pick. Dj i think. Dj's putting has been a little week leading up to this tournament. That's just kinda what. I saw on golf channel. Man i like speed and then he i. I will put it this way. Going into the final round on sunday. I say in the mix so i don't know who's going to win but then if i'm looking at other guys like in terms of all the favorites when justin thomas won the players and how he's he's one of the best players in the world and it seems like his time is like really comey's got one major pga. I think he could get it done but this tournament is so crazy. 'cause you've got to putt so well and in november when there was most recently played delayed one from cova and dj show chart twenty under. You might see you. You might see a under ten under winter this year. Because they're gonna want the course to play different. I don't think they like. I don't think the members tournament committee at augusta wants a twenty underwear. They want to eat between eight and eleven shooting to see harder golf. So i think my pick is justin thomas to to get the win but i think speech is going to be right there by that just thomas a small. He's one of the small skies on tour near all small dude. Rory's tiny are very short now. They're they're so they're so power there so fast twitch dude they got that though and they just coil up in a wind up and they're almost off their feet at impact. Some of these guys one last call nope before we move it over to growly. Posher is going to decapitate somebody with one of those drones If you guys keep that up way too so old loud the loudest thing in your ear. You can imagine as a pasha drone hilarious. I got one last question for wit. Who would you say is the most dramatic on tour as far as a golfer. Bryson all when he plays it's just like he's he's the guy he's just so painful he's just like just dropping the sponsors every interview people get so mad when i make fun of him online. Like there are some staunch defenders. Ask car guy on the tour. Descri- i don't know how to describe him. He's just like he released a video recently on tiktok of him like running out to the garage and streaming as he's lifting weights. He's just a gun. But i've always said what he did in just train changing his body and like transforming himself to this long drive. Amazing potter champion is show impressive. But him just off the course like personality wise. He's like complete tomatoes. If you ask me burnout sir. G you had something forest of the salk. Let's fill the listeners in. Yes it's something. That hank and i and brian fitzsimmons have been working on for a little while. Now for those crypto currency fuck. This song crypto would be unbelievable. We should start that but the song which is play barstools. New free to play game where. Nhl fans can answer six questions for a chance to win the progressive jackpot now. What is the progressive jackpot. You ask biz. 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Should Bruins be Concerned about Tuukka Rask & the Shayne Gostisbehere Dilemma | Poke the Bear w/ Conor Ryan

Poke the Bear

34:18 min | 4 months ago

Should Bruins be Concerned about Tuukka Rask & the Shayne Gostisbehere Dilemma | Poke the Bear w/ Conor Ryan

"And welcome in to poke the bear episode 37 who's number 37 that we could potentially have as this. I don't know if I know anybody now, you might have to check in with spoke Z to see if maybe he can verify what what I think of a good player but my head I don't have one. I don't have one. I don't I don't think that's a 37 37 on the Bruins. Mm. Can't think of one's escaping me at the moment. Yeah sister go back. We'll take it to Twitter and see if people can can help us out there. We'll see if people can think of a of a name but for now, oh Bruce borchardt might be one that might be the guy maybe I don't know maybe 36 or 66 know you're thinking of Marcus Smart. We had this conversation. Yeah, so that's right. That's right. It's all kind of Cloudy. Well, we'll Circle back we'll figure we'll figure out who a good number 37 for this but at any rate off, I'm in Marion off ski alongside conried a Boston Sports channel Connor how we doing? I'm doing very well. How you doing? Good. It was nice to see the Bruins, you know when it was when a game. Yeah before 2 in the third. The Devils I'm thinking I got every time I think the steam can't get lower they do but they didn't they pulled themselves out of it. They Charlie McAvoy Matt grzelcyk just went on an absolute tear at the end zone, but that game was now Tuesday night people will be listened to this on Thursdays. That'll be old news. And so he never really talked about games. We don't what's the what would you why would you talk about a game when it's pretty much like over and done with the next day. So I'm considering the schedule is also like every other day now until the end of time we've have a game so that stuff gets lost in the shuffle very quickly. It's so weird to have nights where there's no games since I'm like, oh, what am I going to do tonight? There's no Bruce Lee. Yeah. We're not going to sleep. I go to bed at a normal time. Like what am I going to do? But at any rate, yes, brune's got a win dead. A much even when they finally they finally beat the devil's they finally did it. They finally finally did it. But well, I think these shows can be a little all over the place with positives and negatives. Well same here cuz not all people are talking about this and I think it's an important thing we discussed and that's to grask Tuukka Rask. You probably have not heard about him lately. You probably have not seen him lately month, but you only played three games and all of March only three games. He was out with an injury for a while came back left mid game for like during the intermission recently moved and it begs the question in this shortened season where there are games every other night and your schedule is extremely crazy. When is Rath coming back from do you trust that he will be good when he comes back basically at the Crux of it should people be concerned about giraffes. I mean, I think off and you've got an injury like that he has and we don't know for sure whether it is right. It's still tabbed as an upper body injury, but I think you saw him in that game on March 7th where he left and looked like he was holding his back pack. That's obviously very concerned very for a goaltender. And I think it'd be one thing if he missed, you know, 3 plus weeks with this when was out but then came back and was fine. But when you missed two weeks off come back you get the clearance from both himself and the medical staff saying he's good to go and he only plays one. That's kind of concerning where that's something that you know, it's not like it's it's like a high ankle sprain and basketball right where like maybe you come back but like when you do you probably need like a whole offseason to kind of get over it, right? It's not something that just goes away that's going to be lingering for quite a bit. So, yeah, it's not ideal job. If you're the Bruins where you've got the situation more rats is kind of in limbo with an injury like that again. I don't know if we're going to have the conversation of like is it worth, you know going for a run. If you don't know what happened to her ask when it's definitely a concern right? It's you know before last year and obviously what happened up in the bubble, but the last couple of years you went to the postseason. No way at the very least that you had arrested healthy Tuukka Rask, which is a great Coupe of your the Bruins right in terms of having that knowing that knowledge that you have a top goaltenders healthy ready to go and rested Rascal we go to the playoffs could be rested if he's not playing a lot of games, right but also you run the risk of whether he's going to be fresh as Rusty is that injuries seem to linger. It could be a thing which looks great and all sudden. He stretches the wrong way and you're back at square one, right? That's that's kind of what the nature of some of these back injuries, uh can cause for a goal to age. So it's definitely concerning you wonder if maybe it's best to just kind of shut him down for a stretch here and see what you have and whole lock and with our who's been solid so far and his, you know a brief stint up here again, I don't know if we're going to get into a situation where the Bruins in the playoffs is going to be like a new Bennington with with our with our takes or just think of that like that. Like I don't think that's going to be the case you hope that Bruins are not to resort to that when they the play-offs but for the immediate right now, it's definitely concerning for the Bruins in terms of just mapping out the rest of this year because again, we could sneak a week's time to come back and that's obviously great for the Bruins. But you also run a lot of risk of that with an injury like that. It's not like it's a even like lausanne re where it's like a broken a broken back and has surgery for that not great. But generally you can map out the recovery timeline and once the bones heal once you get through the proper rehab you're generally back back at it a muscle in, Georgia. The back that's one that that can pop up again very very quickly. So it's definitely concerning for the Bruins. It's funny you mention a scenario where floodwaters playing a lot and it seems kind of where the Bruins are going cuz obviously hillock Campground back-to-back nights. So he's you know for the Dodgers going has been getting in his going to get more time. It's interesting because rascas up after this season and for a long time, we've all been saying re-signed raspberry sauce street address you have to do it. I still think you do have to do you do have to re-sign Rask and I don't think he doesn't want to play anywhere else. I don't think that or anywhere else in the NHL. I don't think this is an instance of like, you know, I think if you if if he wants to come back if the Bruins can kind of meet him at the right point he'll come back but for a long time you didn't know what you had invalid are in swimming, but you're seeing it now, you know Le darling box solid swimming is really good in the AHL, you know, you might get some time up in NHL at some point here as well. And you know if Lazar makes this kind of run with halak and if you know Thursday That tandem gets them into the playoffs you do. Wonder if there's that urgency to re-sign Rask in this situation because you know, if you have le ja ra-hoo looks ready to be in the NHL or if you want to get the platoon with halak and blood are for entire season which again it's hard to tell how that goes out over eighty-two games rather than you know, two months. But if if you have something there, I wonder how that affects reciting Rask. Yeah. I mean, I think probably it's all depends on how the Bruins look this year how the DAR plays have swimming looks in Providence which even change and I see the most likely scenario is probably the Bruins move on from Hawaii and they bring back or ask. If anything if Rask has a you know, a place a half season, it could just probably work out better for the brands in terms of just negotiate his next contract will be which I don't imagine it's going to be I don't think you'll get paid, you know, seven million dollars a year, you know, I could see two years three years at 5. Maybe that's just a total loss. Point but you're recording that you just said you're you're you're that is breaking news. Woo. Yeah, exactly the same thing but you know, I could see that being a scenarios rest comes back and then you probably incorporate with our in but even if the dog looks great and has you know, a 9:20 say percentage in you know. And screaming looks good. I still don't think I do the Bruins want to open next year where you hope they still think they have a contention window with to you know, rookie goaltenders, I think. It's one thing to have, you know to play play the hand where you've got lausanne and the border of these guys and featured role to another thing entirely when it's two rookie goaltender switch a team that's trying to cash and now dead that's a whole lot of risk, but I think more than anything in terms of distressed status. It probably would just affect what they're looking at for his new contract because I still think of her ask is willing to come down. It seems like he is just want to play anywhere else and you can retain him for less money and give yourself more cap. Flexibility kind of seems like a no-brainer know it does I'm just saying in terms of injuries terms. Yeah, you know what, you know, what you want to do with your cap space just McCallum boost the starter. I think that's really what has to happen. 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I'm trying to find the Tweet the Tweet of when they waved Shayne gostisbehere and they were they were promoting Shayne gostisbehere the night before like they had a a slow mo shot of Adam with the Emojis and stuff which I think is a black historical but they waved him on Tuesday morning. They finally waved Shayne gostisbehere. Obviously. Yeah, it's transaction. We have placed defense machine guns front waivers today and the amount of quote Keats far outnumbers the amount of regular Retreats that this got this this was a good sign. Yes. This one was this one kind of broke Twitter a little bit, but obviously if you don't know. Sarah was like borderline. Delete a few years ago. Like everyone was you know, the hyper and she and gostisbehere. She's like a flyers always have like these young guys who they pipe up to, you know these amazing players and then it's like each other pretty average actually, but gostisbehere was a perfect example of this and obviously with past couple of years. He's deteriorated interior deteriorated this year that whole Flyers team has just been garbage wage and they waved him now. He cleared Wednesday morning. He cleared went away. So no one has picked him up yet. Now the question every NHL team is pretty much facing at this point. Mainly the Bruins or especially the Bruins home is do you pick him up? You know it do is it worth the four point five million dollars in cap from that he would take up I believe for the next two years, correct and Thursday, I think two years. Yeah, I remove it's I think it's two years remaining. I think it's he signed a big contract. So hell, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so so not correct. On that front, but the Bruins driven eat on the left side. You need to let you know your electric fence. We need someone experienced. You don't want have to keep rolling out Jacobs Barrel in a perfect world. You would be your seventh defenseman. You would put him in whenever you needed him not every single night, especially with the way he's been playing lately and got the spare bits that but there's a lot of hesitancy us with them is not as easy as like 2016 Shayne gostisbehere. So do you think that they should make a move to pick him up? I think on waivers know and I think it seems like a lot of other teams agree with that. It's just you know, if Shayne gostisbehere was available with term for two and half million, maybe look at it cuz as much as I think he's got his warts defensively obviously, look at that whole Flyers team. We've got a lot of issues defensively. I still think shin guards appear on the right team. So she team that's struggling with getting hooks through generating chance log. Is struggling with you know generating chances up high on the power play. It makes plenty of sense. Like if if you available for cheaper, I think the Bruins would definitely take a look at them home, but I think just what that contract so he's on the contract for two more years after this. So it's a whole lot of money commit to a guy I think two of those those next two years both its signing bonuses am 2.25 kick in immediately. So it seems already paying those up front and yeah, I think it's overall what I could see happening now that he's on waivers is dead Flyers trying to probably make a deal where they eat some of that they retain some money and then trying to make a move which if you're the Bruins, maybe you you look at that like something you probably want a more. A stable guy back there again. I'm see the the top dogs at home, which seems you know, they go probably talk about that a couple of minutes, but that seems less and less Lucky Now based on the line Nationals playing but ideally you want a guy who's also saved his own and but it can generate at least more even-strength offense which think the Bruins are lacking obviously so I think for gostisbehere, yeah, I wouldn't put a trade pass pass them. I think Emily cap on ESPN said on Wednesday that for in terms of Trades that sell your attention is going to be a big thing because just so many teens can't take on some of these contracts right now so I can pull up the Flyers doing that. But in terms of the waiver wire, yes, you know, we were makes sense in terms of you know, picking up a guy without any consequences are having to give away any assets. But when that was a you factor in that contract plus the Bruins, it's not like the Bruins need to get in gossip and all the problems are set, right. They still gotta add a guy up front or two, right they have to make a couple of different modes and even though they have a job. A little bit of cap flexibility plus some you know, John Moore and l t i r kaushik could be on ltir if he doesn't come back. We don't know about Kevin Miller, you know, that's a minimal Captain. It's still closely to go over that page and a half million dollar upper limit, you know, they can't just kind of take on a contract like glasses for anything. All the problems are going to be solved cuz again, he's he hopes in some areas. But if you look at that game on Tuesday against the devil's where you know, lausanne had a really really really rough game as you said things that were always been really struggling the last couple of games specially when he's getting pressured with the puck Clinton had a bad. He didn't tie up Sajak on that net from which led to that goal. So it's not like you can just get an offensive defenseman and it's solving all your problems. You also need just some stability back there as well guy that can beat minimum wage handle it handle kind of that workload and I don't know if gossip sphere answers all those problems and when you factor in that contract on top of it I just don't see the FED. Yeah. No, it's funny. I think I was just thinking about this and you're mentioning retaining some of the salary and dealing I mean we got scared right now would probably only take like a fourth or fifth round pick to get I don't think that you're if you were just taking on that whole contract. Yeah. No. Yeah. I also also and if fires were retained some of that contract he might go free for the sixth or seventh round pick. What's funny though is you know, that if the Bruins did make that move that sixth or seventh-round pick would become like it's a face of the Flyers like the brake calipers off. Yeah, of course, that's usually how it works out. Yeah, that's how usually works out. But again, I mean if it's funny you mentioned that if if if the Flyers now, by the way, I don't know how open the flyer to trading within the division, but if the Flyers said to the Bruins, hey will eat half of this thing. So you're only paying two point five and we only need like a seventh. That's not the worst thing in the world. I mean, you know that 2.5 isn't great. That's not fun. You don't want to pay that but if it helps, you know, you never know. It's a low-risk kind of move 7 throughout not that big a deal. But again, it's the money. It's even that 2.5. You don't want. I mean look at this job more contract like that's been a thorn in your side since he signed it so long, um again, like that's not a ton of money, but it's also money that could go to other places. So there's a little bit of risk involved in that to me like again, you should have your life at higher especially in a place of need like the left side on defense which you know, you've needed for a long time. Now, this is not like a new problem. It's not like, you know, oh, you know, the Bruins need like a third line right winger, you know. Oh, let's go out on the way. I'd be like, oh, let's get a lien holder second flavorwire right this thing a little bit more in that now you mentioned another thing Nashville is surging if one job Nine, the predators of one eight of nine. They are in a fourth playoff spot in their division. They look great. Now that was the team effort to supposed to be picking from now supposed to the team, you know back home to Boston and forsberg to Boston and and Ryan Ellis to Philadelphia or you know, just taking everyone off the roster. Yeah, and now it doesn't look like it's happening don't got David Ferrante parents live his parents from from from b u b b o Terrier Legend David Sedaris going to going to Nashville and they're going to Mark do guys on a few years. He's a UMass wage. I remember the name but so yes Nashville is not the team those things going to be selling a lot of this deadline, but we talked with us on Bruins. We'd a little bit you know, if you're if you're if you're if you're wrong Nashville, you look at the roster and you say well is it worth it to make this little playoff run again and be out in the first round or to be better to get the head start on the rebuild, but do you think wage Nashville is going to be a team that is still selling at this deadline. I mean, maybe the right I feel like especially with at home and I think this is why that asking price event so high on him is that Nashville? Doesn't have to trade him right now. They can wait until the offseason because he got him under contract for another year at a very affordable price. It's not like they they need to move him if some team is willing to offer. Hey will. Give you a first-round pick a top thirty prospects in our system and another Prospect another NHL, you know Fringe player then yeah, I think then you have to look at it and make a good move, but it's not like natural just you know doing a fire sale for the sake of it and especially the way to play now that again It it remains to be seen of natural like is best served kind of trying to make the playoffs again. I mean also they've won eight of mine's you said but I think Filip forsberg is now we met with an injury so that kind of plays into it and you know, you look at that core and you've got maybe a few young guys on the way like fancy delgaizo and a few players, but you also took sure they're dreading how much money for was releasing a command two years from now Iran. I was up there in age at homes Thirty going on 31. You know, it's how much more do you kind of have with this corn place? That's maybe a question they have to ask but I think if you're the Bruins, especially when you look at in the way now Nashville already was I you know, ask him what for at home now, they're probably even less inclined. It makes things difficult because you know the Bruins me look at their their defense, right? They need a guy who generates V type of offense, but also can hold his own defensively right? I mean again, we saw in that game against the Devils on Tuesday and I called one answer, you know, solve a whole lot of problems for them and after it back homes, either off the board or they're asking for too much about the quality dropped quite a bit in terms of guy who does a bit of everything right? I mean you can maybe get just an all defensive presence that could go David Savard for Columbus maybe sort of first school and like two years. Yeah. She's a night. So I mean even help he's a he's a right shot but big physical defensive defenseman. Jamie oleksiak is a guy Bruins friends, probably love him. 6-7 underrated a little bit in terms of his offense, you know, he's not like a a guy who's going to finish the with like, you know, seventy eight games and like three assists and no goals, right? He has a little bit of touch with the pot but he's an option. But again, it's it drops quite a bit. Right? So foxed all that could be another guy, which that's probably what's going to end up happening. But I yeah that's coming but Mark solid Bobby Ryan, you know, that's what's going to end up happening. But again, that's the issue right? We're at home. I think I'm sure not just the Bruins think this but the Jets obviously think it took me which I don't know. I think Philly is a TV at this and looking out of a just kind of like, you know, take the L on this year. I mean you got like Carhart has to spend probably week off just to solve kind of his goaltending issues and trying to work with him off the ice with that you wonder whether they just you know, talk up there to take the L and and go back and kind of regroup next year. But still what is the Bruins game? A couple other teams, a lot of teams need a guy that got home and if you miss out the quality of who you have to kind of fill that void drops quite a bit. Yeah. Also, you have to wonder about the flyers. I mean they've been a team that's had a similar core in place for a long time there upfront Claude Giroux voracek couturier. I mean, I know he's kind of emerging but he's been there a while. It feels like you wonder how much they keep putting into this with, you know, the defense, you know Pro for off hasn't had that great of a year in general have it's funny. We thought provorov was going to be the guy from the East who would be like a Norris Contender type guy and the mack of would get completely overlooked and it's been actually the complete opposite Knack of a guy getting all the attention and rightfully so we can spend a whole episode talking about how crazy he was and that final minute against New Jersey, but will say I will say I think I think I made a Twitter angry cuz I said he was going sicko mode and people thought that was a horrible thing. I said, he's going sicko mode as well. Could say yeah, as soon as I know whatever says that so you're like now you're just you're cursing everything and colors. Yeah. It's it's funny though that the people didn't catch that young reference. I bet as much as I make fun of like I got that cuz I'm a young guy but I guarantee you when I'm worse when I'm thirty-five and you know a young age Thirty you saying I'm no I'm saying people reacting tweet. We're like maybe over 35, but when I'm thirty-five and you know a young Bruins, right, it makes a joke. I'll probably be like what what what is he saying what she's saying? I don't know what's going on. Here. It comes with the territory. Yeah, it comes with a but no, I I do wonder if the Flyers decide to like, I don't think they'll blow it up cuz I think they have a little bit of a corn place but you'll wonder do they do at some point cuz again, I don't know if that car is good enough to push them over the top. I know it's funny is I just this is the thought that just entered my head. Do you remember there was a team in 2019 That was supposed to be selling off a bunch of pieces wasn't good last place middle of the year and then they went on a big streak at the end of the year wage. They snuck into the playoffs kind of like what Nationals doing right now, but this team stuck in the playoffs and battle through the first three rounds into the Stanley Cup that team wage doesn't ring any bells but it sounds like a little bit story. It was a cool story. It was it was quite the story, but that's what Nashville's dude. That's just as bad as they holyshit Nashville is turning into the next state Louis. It's ridiculous. They're going to do it. They're going to freaking do it on a more positive. That's the record. Yeah, put Nashville pasta to the cup Nashville just does the same thing with the Blues in a few years ago. Somehow the Bruins like trained one of the Predators goalies going to go on the run and then just maybe this whole big thing on a more positive note. Hopefully he's not as bad as the other the other guy before him. See the new deal. Yeah, good job guys. It's great great organization. Enjoy. That one guys could have happened to a better guy and they're misusing crew still stick their misusing crew and their fault break just show you how important Colton parayko is ever since Franco has been gone a team has been a puddle. So I don't know. I mean Ness and had him on the cold meter off during the Stanley Cup Playoffs. You didn't score goal. You know, he was shutting down the Bergeron line for seven games. So have you have you noticed have you noticed recently? They haven't been doing that everyone they have on his hot. No one's cold. They took they realize they drinks the Bruins by putting on someone as cold then they go on a paper plate five goals. They probably put Kyle Palmieri on there who has scored I think like five goals against the Bruins and six games. So yes. Yes. No, but they they stop it's all it's all hot. Everybody's hot. No one's called the other thing that you were at the game on Tuesday night, but I was not the audio on the nest and I heard it was Dreadful. It was like a game. Edwards was broadcasting from you know, three thousand feet underground. He was he was you know, broadcasting the game from the center of the earth next to like some igneous rock right over his head like sound waves are just like right through it off. But yeah, it was it was bad and and then to end the game like the game ended that they kept fixing it and then the game ended and you know, they were given they're saying their goodbyes and then it's just sounded like the same thing. So they're broadcasting a Tron. Yeah. No they was it was not good. It was a it was tough but on a lighter note Nik Richie finally breaks the junkie off the Bruins back. He gets it off with the fight that five-on-five goal against the Devils which was like just that Stout New Jersey defense a tumbling muffin from the right side. He gets it through Mackenzie Blackwood, but him were crazy. Well good have a good is that something that we might see more of You hope so cuz right now especially the the brochure online really isn't getting it done. I think I read somewhere that pastrnak Scott one even-strength goals last twelve games so they get himself some of those issues but right now yeah that line looks pretty good. I think even you know, they'd strung together a couple of good games in a row now, but I was kind of surprised at just how good they've been I think last four games. I think they played about thirty eight minutes together. They're outscoring teams 4 to 1, I think like shots and goals like thirty-five eleven. So, you know pretty substantial in terms of how much chances are generating. And again, I don't think either either of us are going to say that just because they've had a few good games against the Sabres and the and the devil's that this is your new second line. You don't have to worry about getting a guy like I'll marry or hall or Garland or any of these guys we've talked about on this podcast for weeks now, but for the for right now, at least you're getting something from that group and you're seeing them all kind of contributing to Thursday. It's going to see Smith really start heating up now. He had three assists and the game on on Tuesday. So for right now helping out and the very least you got, you know, even if they get another top-six guy, you're seeing kind of the these guys you need to consistently play. Well like Richie like Smith, you know do well and you know, once depressed gets cleared hopefully by faith, you know, maybe Saturday's game and you put him with coil and all of a sudden it, you know your offense, you know, it looks a lot better when you've got depressed floating down to that third one and hopefully him continuing kind of where he was dead before he went out on the covert call list. So for right now, it's open up quite a bit. And what do you know when the version line, you know rebounds as we all expect they will Maybe your oven looks better. I still think again. They still need to get a guy but it shows you just how much different the Outlook of this team is one that second one is contributing applying. Well, if I'm 5 how much it transforms the whole rest of the team because one even that group is giving you more than what you've expected the last year-plus. Now, it kind of changes the whole complexion of what you're seeing from this team. Does it really does again just get upset top six. It's funny. Actually Frank's to Rally just tweeted as new trade bait column and he has David Savard now as the number one trade Target Mattias ekholm is falling down to six months because of how good the Predators spend lately. So his fingers Savard Palmieri Taylor Hall who I like Nick foligno Jonathan Bernier. Hey, there you go fast in bo4. Come on a Jonathan Bernier. Let's take this team on a run and then at home number six Granlund number seven. Toronto's top prospect number eight. I don't know why it's not the name, but whatever birth. Yes, there's so many that they just stop on Sportsnet will say that don't worry that they're going to get, guilin for a bunch of nickels and their tenth Prospect cuz that's you know, that's how they apparently pitched their their trade moves so genius, but then the Bruins have to give up, you know top young first round pick and Jake debrusk and a top young prospects in sadika found other first fruit and other person take for you to of a UFA Taylor Hall to go through walls to see our Taylor Hall, but he was I think he was one of my first pics in my fantasy league this year. It sucks. My fantasy team is actually doing well, but but I had ekblad who was killing it for me killing it pietrangelo has been in an off. The IR Taylor Hall has been terrible. I've been saved by like many, you know, Joel Eriksson deck and Alex drink it and like as as we all expected Joel Eriksson act breakthrough was like, yep. I guess a selkie like dark horses here spokes probably did I mean spoke sees? Yeah, so destroyed guy there are through by the way. I checked this the other day cuz I don't know if we saw on on Twitter off a reporter in San Jose is Erik Karlsson after he scored like two goals if it was Severus best offensive game. And you said no I think eating is Apple. It was the app. The apple is the accent on you know adding on how great their response was. Just continuous. I also find it hilarious that guy not watch all of 2016-17 with our Carlson where he was like that whole playoff series against the Bruins just like I think people talk about how good like, you know, Bennington was on that against the Boston like Erik Karlsson at 7 a.m. At six six games series. It was cuz never V game Sean is for the West. Yes, but that's sixteen Series against that Erik Karlsson was he was going sicko mode as the kids say that guy was like no, I mean nothing was nothing be dead. Full a saucer pass to my coffin at the Blue Line like that was absurd if you're depressed. You can't not I mean you can't save that puck like that has to go in the net. Yeah. It's it's it's a courtesy it's like, oh, here we go. Yes, but so I was saying I was like, I want to look up cross and stats this year and they're not that good his numbers. I think you'd like thirteen points and thirty-seven games and you know a lot of money off, you know, what was right under him Mario Ferraro with I think twelve points in a few more games, but I was like damn you master weapon right on Derek Carlson. There you go. How about it Mario Ferraro you go dead gone into the Frozen Four go to the Frozen four, but yes know against the whole state of Minnesota. Yeah, Minnesota the it's funny someone on one of the college hockey calls asked episode estate coach. They asked one of the coaches from one of the Minnesota teams. Like how cool is it the healthiest Minnesota teams are in the guys like I don't care man. Like I'm just try to win the Frozen for the shit who we're playing or off. So I get school, but who cares? So anyways, speaking of things that we should be caring about. What are you working on a Boston Sports channel right now? Yeah, we're going to be breaking down. Obviously. I think with the Echo news. I think the Bruins have to maybe start taking a look at other potential defenseman to look at the trade market cuz I think again they have to make an upgrade. There should be taking a deep dive on a few other targets. They could be looking at bringing down risk assets some interesting stuff on Wednesday about David pastrnak and kind of what he needs to do. Get back on the scoresheet. So we might be going down his game a little bit and looking forward to what's going to be a kind of a pivotal stretch here, right you playing, you know, the Penguins I think you've got a few games against the Flyers. It's going to a German. I think a lot of how invested the Bruins are in terms of really going forward this season and you're going to see it over the next 10 + 10 + days. So it's going to be an exciting kind of stretch here. So we bring all that down over at bsj. So subscribe over Boston Sports channel, and if you want to follow me on Twitter, you can do that at, Ryan. I just go 93 go do all that and for sale SV David Meredith, that's Connor and a boss this fog. Cheryl you poke the bear listeners. Have a great rest of your day.

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#297: Reaction to Matt Cardona vs. Nick Gage

The Double Dropkick Show

14:43 min | Last week

#297: Reaction to Matt Cardona vs. Nick Gage

"Yellow russell with championship wrestling with big week. Join us right now. Hey welcome to the double dropkick show. I'm he's mulligan. Mark whitman kinda what. I was about to say a little day all right. Hey there that's a good good level so we just watched game changer wrestling homecoming part one. A midnight saturday night. I gotta get home. He mark gotta here at like ten o'clock this morning. We've probably recorded like four or five hours of content. Free and patriarch complex double dropkick. We actually did a watch along with the death. Matchmaking scared you yeah. It was crazy. We just watched spoiler alert spoiler alert spoiler my mark. What did we watch described the people. Well this was for me. This is a one match show. Yes right it was a mac. Cardona formerly known as zack. Ryder against Nick gage and my it was something else man it was something else. It was I said in that venue in that little world there fred front of those. I don't know what do you think there might have been five hundred people in iraq For that in that venue that night. That's one of the coolest things i've seen in wrestling because it was real right was real in that room. Yeah yeah you know. They really hated it. Yes they hated. Mac cardona and He had to be brought to the ring by security and he had to be escorted by security right. I mean he had to get out quick. You said. I don't think he's going to win this match because they'll ride almost and he did and he did win the match and they did almo. I mean they started throwing stuff in the ring and yeah you just don't see that anymore that if you if you haven't seen it and it's probably gift by now. It made the reaction to hogan turning heel as far as stuff being thrown. Now hogan turns. He'll in new jersey once again. It's not oversell learning. I mean as far as stuff i am. I am am gist. I just stuff thrown in the ring. Yeah there was a lot of stuff. There's a lot of trash getting thrown it back. Cardona it was. It was incredible the like so there was outside interference and a guy comes to save nick gage from outside interference and then he turns on nick gage and as soon as outside interference happens. You like corden. He's winning this thing. So i would say this about the outside interference. Yeah if i had been producing this show. Definitely if i had been producing the announcers and the things that the announcers needed to discuss i would have tried to come up with a two minute. Synopsis of who those people word that should have been somebody should have coordinated. Yeah from the time. Those people hit the ring. Yeah because like four guys in another guy comes out from the time they hit the ring till the time that they were done with the rank. Somebody should have figured out a way to explain what was going on right because they probably had more is on game changer wrestling tonight than they ever right. I don't think that's probably. I think it's safe to say biggest-seller right tonight that that's probably the most people that i've ever watched. One of their events live direct and they had an opportunity to explain where they were headed. Yeah the direction of where there for the people that are like this kind of thing that want to see the blood and the guts and the glass and all that if you like that you know the people that might would watch that going forward. I would have made sure that. I explained what was going on. Not just left it that you've you just wouldn't yeah who those guys were because they said it's four. Oh what are they doing here. And i recognize one of the guys. He wrestled earlier in the night. But i didn't know they had beef with nick gage. I didn't either. And that's what i mean if i if i think somebody that might have been a little missed. It not explained in that a little bit better. And then ricky shayne page comes out and they kept saying that. Rsp and nina. Him and nick gager enemies and when he helped nick gage the fans popped and then when he turned on gauge. Who they they david then brosky panic cage to win the game changer. Wrestling title then. He had a bunch of trash thrown at him and he skeedaddle out the back door of the arena. That's so something we just saw that. I haven't seen in any aspect of wrestling in a long time and the announcer said it. Would matt cardona went into. The rain. wasn't not one person was cheering for him. And we're not talking about a. This is cool we're talking about. We hate this gap. they hated. It was clear they really ass here. I they loved. nick. I mean matt cardona did he did not get. He didn't get cheered for anything he did that home match. No there was no fifty. He did the wu thing and they did along with it. But i think they were saying boo. Yeah they were saying do they. Were saying So yeah i guess technically engineering for i mean it was cool man. That's always cool to why. That's the one thing i like about like the smaller shows right especially the smaller shows that have a rabid fan bases like it's cool in that moment it may not be the greatest match ever seen. I mean that's not top. Two hundred greatest matches. I've ever seen but man the moment the this there are some moments in the match like when when he used the pizza cutter on cardona and he was like like shocked him into reality of the county match that he was in. He really sold that the moment when he tried to get through free to count him out. That was the best account about canada about He tried to run away and there was the first time he does the pizza cutter like mac. Cardona crying yeah. It was it was great man. It was very entertaining. It was very well done except for the you know the few things you said as far as is not a big deal was incredible to watch like you said a rabid fan base that made that took that show to another. Can you imagine in front. No fan oh my it would suck rent match. What a sucked. Nobody you know. We talked about that match. Would know people there. That was what made it was the reaction of the of those people if it had if you didn't have that by residents meant to be done in front of a crowd i meant to have a crash. It's not meant to be done in front of video screens. But i i'm watching that and it's like you just don't now. There's differences between the north in the south. Like no clear like you don't a southern kraus's not like in a lot of ways No no no. We have rabid fans. But it's not. That's a different level. What we just watched but like if i'm a wrestling promoter watching it i'm like how do i get that. How it takes years it takes awhile. You can't do that overnight. It takes years and a million dollars but right now game changer wrestling. They caught lightning in a bottle. Yeah hopefully capitalize on. And i mean i'm all for having new promotions man. Yeah i got stand up ready to go home and spend the night tonight. I haven't been drinking and so that was a you know there were there. Were eight matches on that card. Something like that and we saw that we saw some okay matches. We saw some bad matches but that that was worth it to me it was fun enjoyed. It was fun. I enjoyed watching that. Man i like. I'm glad i'm glad. I got to see that crowd reaction. Because that's what's been missing from wrestler. Yeah yeah and. I feel like we talked about that. We've record a lot. Today we talked about booking for the pop. That didn't feel like that right. We'll see what happens tomorrow. Night will right well nate. None of them are scheduled to compete tomorrow night. Maybe cardona comes out cuts promo. It looks like he's left. The building looks like he may be taken the title. Maybe we might watch on youtube or social media. That's what he'll do he'll go on instagram. He will he's probably already been right. Probably had somebody waiting at the car. Who recorded episode and who knows he may start carrying that title around where nick gage show up and take it from him somewhere else. You never know you never know. But it's good. I mean he's got people talking about him. I saw you know there's some of that stuff's not for me definitely a lot of that stuff. Not for me actually. I don't mind a little blood right. And i don't mind you know occasionally doing a big spot with a you know if you wanna use some whatever that i get it but i don't wanna watch a whole promotion built around hit and people would lights and blue plates glasses just not. That's not stoller s. On i liked by their shows every month but i'm glad we watch that right right and here's the question mean. Here's a criticism. My head is we were watching. Is he had and we did. We did watch along with the death match and it was the death match. Champion gets the ultraviolet champion and then the main event had the light tubes in the plane. I'm like what's the point of having a death match. Champion and notre violent champion. If all your matches are going to have we're gonna have that tag team match had doors and glass. Everything and i think that promotions kind of built around this friday. That's what it's built around so mean. That's why i'm saying. I don't see me watching long-term i enjoyed that. Yes they and they they. I mean from the back and forth on social media to the appearance of cardona to the nick gage invading their podcasts live cast or whatever just date they just did a great job. They did a good job market in the count. Some money tonight. Good for them so It's been a great day man history-making history was made tonight the set for a trip. This is the longest we've ever spent. We've made up for lost time. Hadn't seen each other in a while so it was good so it's been good to spend the day with you and we thank you all for listening to double dropkick show and you can go and if i would say go get this show on five. Watch the replay watch that main event match. That's worth this truce worth paying didn't cost me don't mean i don't think it was worth right. Well so yeah so yeah. Lots of episodes coming out over the next couple of weeks talking about wrestling talking about trips to florida talking about amusement parks. Make sure you join us. It patriot dot com slash double dropkick. There was some controversy tonight as we're watching the pay per view as i find out. There's other patriot patriotic accounts talking about me and accused me of things. Were they right. Listen but can you like if somebody reads off the public record anyway. It doesn't matter. I'll tell you yourself so you can sleep. Well you know what is bad so anyway. 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Playful Intelligence With Dr. Anthony DeBenedet

Live Happy Now

18:47 min | 2 years ago

Playful Intelligence With Dr. Anthony DeBenedet

"Welcome to episode one ninety four live happy. Now. This is your host Paula Phelps. Thanking you for joining us today. If you ever wondered what happened to your playful side, we have a great topic for you today. Anthony Bennett is author of the book playful intelligence, the power of living lightly a serious world as a medical doctor behavioral science enthusiast. Anthony has looked at how living a more playful life can help us counteract some of the seriousness of our day to day living live happy editor Chris Libby, talked with Anthony about how playfulness can improve our lives, and how you can find more time for it in your own life. How are you today, sir? I'm doing. Well. Thanks me. Chris great. Can you explain what playful intelligence is? And what brought you to decide. Playful intelligence. Sure, I I became interested in the study of play when I was a brand new dad about ten years ago. I was desperately trying to figure out how to connect with my daughter Eva, and that turned into a book called the art of rough housing which champion. Parent child physical play. And then more recently probably was in the past. I've years my life started colliding with what I call Berry's crossroad. And all explain that in one second. And it's basically across what I think we all come to it some point in adulthood, and it's I describe it as kind of when you find yourself doing everything you can to endure adulthood while wondering whether you're actually enjoying it. And I came to Berry's crossroad again, you know, years back in my life was just blurring into this frazzled mosaic of business, and exhaustion and intensity and seriousness. That's world around my career, my family life relationships, everything that kinda comes with adulthood. And as I look back. I think I was really in hindsight on the verge of Bernau both professional burn out in personal Bernau. I was probably like seventy percent there and. I kinda started thinking about play again in kind of in response to that. And when I was noticing that the playful parts of my own personality, adulthood were kind of being slowly wiped away. I kinda daily grind of intensity and seriousness that we experienced adult life and interesting. So why do I call it Berry's crossroad while in the early nineteen hundreds when the similar kind of adult hood feelings we're taking over James berry. He decided to write a play, and we all know the plates Peter Pan, who, you know, about a boy who never wanted to grow up, and that was really berries attempt hold onto his child wisdom that he it was fast escaping in kind of just amid the craziness that was around him. So I didn't did write a wants them. Let him play but I- tempted to kind of look into what actually or how actually does play. On this work in adult life to help us along. And that's kind of that's that the result of that was played for intelligence, and what I what I think of play phone. I think of just more of an awareness of how various playful behaviours are often working behind the scenes to bring us joy to get us through our days to sprinkle some happiness, honestly around our lives and the people were interacting with. That's kinda how it all started. A so great, do you know, when you think about children and their daily lives say most of it is pretty much playing everything they do is playing, and we lose this as we as we grow old or how how can keeping the sense of playfulness benefit our health or mental and physical health. Yeah. You know, you're exactly right in the sense that we I think that as Dulce we lose the playful aspect of play a lot of times. I mean. You know, I can think of a million times we're not a million times. I think a lot of times when I've gone -cation or I've gone to a game I've gone out. And what am I doing? I'm thinking about my next day and not truly playing or I'm being too competitive. You know, if I'm playing a game, not truly kind of enjoying it from playful and standpoint, and I think that the wait what I found was in my research, and it was all qualitative. I didn't do a quantitative analysis of this. But a lot of interviews some a lot of my patients, in fact, and then operations is that those who who live a little more on the playful side of the coin, and that doesn't mean goofing off all the time or you know, taking everything not seriously. It's really, you know, it's about making yourself a little less seriously, not necessarily taking lifeless, but what I found with that. The it really if you break it down, you really look into these kind of playful qualities that I talk about in the book in. And there were five that kind of popped up in or were common threads and all the interviews. Our doing I was doing those those five or imagination sociability humor. Spontaneity wonder, and what's interesting is that there isn't a lot of research on adult playfulness proper. There's a ton of research like you kind of alluded to children playing and the benefits of playfulness play in child development. There's very little research in adult development. And I think that when it started to come alive for me is that when you actually look and say, what is playfulness we'll play for us is is is a set of behaviors. And that's kinda the root a root of plan from these, you know, various behaviors. And then when you say, well, what are the what are the ones that really seem to help us from a mental and physical health standpoint. And these were the five that really stood out to me. And I'll give you one I'll give you. We can talk a lot about you know, I'll give you one example the humor because a lot of people think play from us. They think if humor, and what's interesting about humor is that humor probably has the most research on it about physical health. You know, their science is overall. I would I would call soft but suggestive meaning that there is science that shows, you know, engaging in humor in your life. Whatever that looks like might help you cardiovascular early or might help your immune system. But really where the science I think gets more hard and more kind of robust is when you talk about mental health with humor because what's interesting is that is as kids we this is another big theme in the book is that, you know, the playful behaviours as kids work a lot differently than they do now as adult so humor when we're kids is all about just fun right about laughing and giggling with your pal and ROY. Around your neighborhood. Just really just a lot of fun when we become adult humor. There's still some fun aspect to humor. But it becomes much more about connection with people in front of us. Our partners, our friends or co-workers, and then also resilience when we are going through a really really hard time in our life, and we're going through a desert, you know, that's when humor that's that's kind of playful intelligence part to Umer is that it's a huge connecting force for us in our relationships, which helps her mental health. Of course, we know that we have to, you know, even the greatest introvert has to exist in some contact with other people, we can't exist in isolation. And I've seen it shortlist times in my clinical practice, where there is, you know, intense intense emotion, you know, that the highest you can get when you're talking about a bedside that the family members dying, and and all of a sudden, there's a little a memory or some. Little thing that lightens the mood and connects people and helps you get through. That mean, I think that, you know, humor helps us in that sense. Yeah. What we're seeing is that humor gives you a psychological distance from the situation. So you're not it's not as if you are physically distant from the situation, but you're able to step away from it, psychologically, say, oh my gosh. You know, but you know, trying to make the best of this honest. You know, that's when it comes down to. Yeah. Sitting it seems like instability hostage are you know, kinda on the upward trend lately in America. I mean, according to the world happiness report America is slipping in happiness. How compla- fullness help us become happier and nicer people. Yeah. And I think one of seen that report. And it's hard to read it's hard to see I think it translates not only. To adults but also to children tired to be a kid these days. I think what playfulness dies is. It's not a again, it's not a mechanism or framework in play for intelligence of framework to think about to escape stress. It is rather a framework to help manage it and help think about it a little bit differently. Give you an example with one of the other playful qualities it's talked about in the book lied and that spontaneity so. Eighty is one of the playful behaviors that gets a lot of right of China of knocking or kind of cutting down in our adult lives, especially when our intensity and our seriousness and our stress levels and our uncertainty. Like, we're in a time right now is ratcheting up. And the reason for that is that when that kind of stuff happens in our lives we naturally as humans titan. We tightened down or schedules. We become more rigid. And when something doesn't go our way when we're real rigid, we've become irritable. So what spontaneity does? And it's really kinda cool is that if you are deliberately trying to maybe add a little bit of spontaneity into your into your day. For example, you're taking a different route home from work. Okay. Very basic level spontaneity there, you just. Don't take your same commute or another basic level. Spontaneity you sit at a different share at dinner, and you normally do most families. They said the same shares all the time. But for one vir-, you're trying to get more spun and your life. So you do that. And what's interesting, the research is that when you're doing that you are actually becoming more mentally flexible and agile in your thinking, and that is a critical skill 'cause you can think about all the time in days adult where they totally falls apart. Or, you know, something in our life turns out totally differently than we expected it to turn out a job of relationship, whatever it may be and if we're kind of exercising our a mental flexibility in that sense or psychological flexibility, kind of the phrase book, we're more nimble, and we're more. Able to ride those times right through those times. So I think in time like this. When there's a lot of yelling, there's a lot of shouting to be able to kind of flexibly look at situations from different angles problems of different angles. Because that's really what spontaneity is doing inside your mind. You know, when something doesn't go your way, you're Ricky Shayne different direction in your mind. If you can do that express that I think that's one example of how we can find, you know, some joy and happiness in these kind of crazy times. I'm really glad you brought up spontaneity because in the book you talk about how this also spot Naty can lead to generosity. Can you talk a little bit about that? Yes. That was one. There were that was one thing. I was not expecting when I was working on the book. And I'm interviewing these these folks. And it's I'm hearing about their generous lives how they live generally that doesn't necessarily mean financial. Generosity can mean time, volunteering or just kindness and connection there. This was some interesting research out of Yale David ran did it and I give him credit. I mean, he was just fascinating still doing this kind of stuff. He's basically looking at decision making and the notion of when we make a decision are we making it fast or slow so pretty basic construct, and how long are we actually thinking about that decision? And if we think about the decision quickly or not so quickly does that have any affect on what the actual decision is? Namely, does it make us more cooperative as union species and doesn't make us more generous. And what's interesting is that when you make a little faster decision or a little more spontaneous decision. You're more likely to live a more generous life. And this makes sense. If you kinda just common sense is using back and say well when. Was the last time somebody came to my door asking for donation, or when was last time I saw homeless persons read asking for something if you make that decision relatively fast damn and try to help and do something you're likely to to make a generous your like stepped forward. Generously. When you start thinking about it. He start rationalize. Well, there's homeless persons gonna use this drug and alcohol or this person here at my doorstep. You know, what they're just this is something that not even sure that this is legitimate to what they're asking me to do. You're more likely to hold back. That's not to say that you go ahead and give someone you know, five thousand. But even just living a little bit more generously. And even that can even be like a random act of kindness, and it crosses over to that world as well where you're paying for somebody's dry through McDonalds meal or something like that. And that research in terms of living more generously with the route being I'm gonna make maybe a little more faster. A little more spontaneous decision. Here has shown to have good health and physical health as well as mental health benefits. I want to switch to this topic. 'cause I love this topic. It's wonder and you talk about it in the book a lot, and it's a little different from the other ones because it's directly related in Craig me if I'm wrong, but directly related to an experience. Correct. That's correct. Okay. Yes. It's a little different right? I love wonder too. And so I ended the book with it. It's I love it. Because I was so not experiencing it. I mean, I was just so jaded just I was walking around nothing really brought me to that state. And the big takeaway from it is that those who are living. I think we're taking themselves a little bit less seriously. They have a lower threat. Rush, hold for experiencing wonder in the sense that it doesn't necessarily require this. Majestic amazing Grand Canyon or this amazing musical performance or performance or whatever it is to get them pause. And that it can be something very very compete. Something small can be watching child and the cool thing about wonder is that it's it's one of the only kind of behaviors or emotions that urges inaction rather than action. It kind of urges us to stop really and slow down and there's some reasonable evidence. And there's I think we'll see more in the next decade on this. How that just kind of notion of being able pause, even if it's a small moment during your day, we're talking thirty seconds or just to slow you down in decrease inflammation in our bodies it. Hell. You know, live in the present moment, right and be more trusting and supportive, and in that inflammation, going back to the physical thing can can translate the better, cardiovascular health and also decreased risk of cancer. That's that's a stretch. Obviously, they research isn't there yet? But I think I think it could come. Yeah. I mean, I think that it's a talked about in the book this notion of wonder rehab, which is. And I had to put myself through just like, you know, when you get physical injury rehab the injury, right? And I think that as a result. No, I did a lot of people. I knew you know, at the kind of do this. This thing called wonder rehab, which is kind of this idea of doing things that will help lower your threshold for wonder, and like for example, noticing wondering child doesn't have to be your child, but in any child because children live with a wonder threshold that is constantly low. Right. It's totally constantly. Well, so when you start noticing that then you will remember. Yeah. It's important for me to have a low wonder threshold too. So Dr Bennett, your doctor, so we can trust your opinion. Playfulness is good for health. Thank you for joining us today. This has been excellent. That was Anthony Bennett author of the book playful intelligence, the power of living lightly a serious world, you can find out more about Anthony. And where to buy his book by visiting us at live happy now dot com. We hope you're already subscriber to live happy now. But if you're not you can find us on the pen or podcast network Spotify iheartradio and on itunes and Google play. Just look for us on your favorite platform, and then hit subscribe. So you'll never miss an episode. Is all we have time for this week. We'll meet you back again here next week for an all new episode. And until then this is Paula Phelps reminding you to make every day a happy one.

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#908 - College Lecturer Profits from 3D Design Tutorials

Side Hustle School

08:37 min | 2 years ago

#908 - College Lecturer Profits from 3D Design Tutorials

"Sottile school is brought to you by Dunkin. Power up your day with the Dunkin power breakfast sandwich, or the white Dunkin bowl, both build with protein and delicious better for you ingredients. This power breakfast sandwich. It's got twenty four grams of protein, twenty grams. A whole grains, come in with egg whites spinach peppers and onions, Turkey sausage, cheese, and whole grains. Meanwhile the Dunkin bowl has the protein in veggies. You crave without the grit. Also, without the Turkey sausage, Scott, some egg, white spinach potatoes, cheddar cheese, and caramelized onions, either one of them is a deliciously easy way to add a boost a protein to your day. Br anyone out there, who is a college teacher instructor. Lecturer, professor, whatever especially in the adjunct or part time world, I aware it is a hard life out there. I got some friends doing that, and it's a struggle education funding has been cut in lots of areas, both in the US and abroad in the US in particular, and more and more institutions are opting to hire adjunct instructors positions that typically pay very little and provide no security in the form of tenure possibilities, or other traditional benefits of academia, today's story comes to us from the UK where somebody's having similar, but different challenges it features a college instructor who loves his students about his grown increasingly frustrated with the system in need of creating an alternative future for himself. He turns three d video tutorials into an online venture teaching people around the world to design beautiful things. He stumbles upon this project by accident. But then takes action to optimize. Improve in pursue it to profitability in recent months. He's actually been earning more from the online tutorials that he does and his day job. So naturally, he is excited in arty asking himself, what's next, so for any college teachers out there, there is hope listen up pay tension to this guy story. I'll bring it to you in just thirty seconds. It's not as though school is brought to you this week by our longtime partnership station, helping you get your orders out quickly, save money on shipping costs and keep customers happy three good things and no matter where you're selling Amazon et your own website. Whatever that is ship station can bring all your orders into one simple, interface, right now, our listeners can try ship station for sixty days when you use that promo code hustle. There's absolutely no risk. You can start your free trial without even entering your credit card just visit shift station dot com. Click the microphone of the top of the homepage and type in hustle. That is ship. Station dot com. Promo code hustle. Ship station, make ship happen. Shayne Whittington a digital art in game development lecturer in the United Kingdom was looking for a way to help his students. They were mainly teens and young adults new to the college environment and he wanted to make study aids to help them refresh their memory of what they learned in class. One day he created a quick tutorial to show them how to get a student version of popular design software at home when he posted it on YouTube check back on that video. He saw had gotten thousands of us, which was a lot more people that were in his class. He was intrigued, he loved the fact that the video was so useful to students, but he was also encouraged that it had been discovered by others. He went to create more content and decided to officially launch a channel now called the game dab academy. He didn't waste time over thinking it, which is one of the things that he credits with his success. He made us first video tutorial course for Maya another kind of design software in August of that same year. The videos were basic there was no, editing whatsoever. And chain says you can even see him pressing stop on the screen or quarter at the top of each video. He used the computer and editing software that he had. At school. There's only startup costs were about two dollars, which he used by a microphone microphone was worth every penny. Meaning that it was terrible. But it did the job and it got him up and running. There was no business plan. Shane continued. Uploading periodic videos to support his lectures. But he was busy at work and didn't pay much attention to the channel. This was years ago, way back in two thousand twelve if we fast forward nearly three years to the summer of two thousand fifteen shame on summer break, and went to visit his channel, or he was surprised to see he had two thousand subscribers at the time he didn't even know you could subscribe to YouTube channel, but he thought this seemed promising he'd been thinking about updating his my tutorial for the new version of the software and wanted to reach a broader audience. He watched other videos from YouTube on how to gain subscribers and learn about many of the best practices, he saw all the things he was doing wrong. And if you'd things he was doing right. And he got excited about the possibility of using YouTube as a business. He spent four weeks completely, revamping historial. The new videos looked great included. His face in the video used meta data including tags. And he words made custom nails and added onscreen explanations published them at the end of August twentieth fifteen time that he now says, changed everything so and he was regularly earning more than three hundred and fifty dollars a month. And he saw a greater opportunity, if he could produce content more consistently to decide which Oriels to work on Shane says that he thinks about his students most are absolute beginners completely new to game art and game development. He knows that if the videos are suitable for them, and they'll be of interest to people wanting to learn these subjects anywhere in the world he doesn't chase clicks are pursue. What he thinks is popular any given moment. It might seem counterintuitive, but he says he actually chooses to create Oriels. That are for longer projects. He feels that this helps keep the audience invested and gives them something they can show up and feel proud of when they're going. You also likes to solve big problems, for example, one of his most important videos shows how to restore the default settings and software Shane found the his students were accidentally changing settings that hindered their work, but then didn't know how to change them back because they didn't do it intentionally in the first place. This is the type of problem that stop students, completing their work as evidenced, by the tons of appreciative comments that Shane gets along the lines of I have a deadline tomorrow. And you just saved my life. This makes him happy, no matter the subject, he creates content that is evergreen, which he recommends for any type of online education also tries to keep it tutorials. Interesting and entertaining. So you'll find memes, puns and jokes, peppered throughout which we had us school. Obviously appreciate. So far. Shane is earned over twenty thousand pounds. That's about twenty five thousand dollars. He's on track to earn over fifteen thousand pounds or nineteen thousand dollars this year alone. In fact, in the last couple of months is satisfied started making more than his teaching position, it's a lot him to drop two days a week at work, which helps with maintaining a sanity. It also means he's able to spend extra time with his kids in addition to a patriot campaign and add since revenue Shane has recently started selling assets as paid add ons in a suit Orioles for people who don't want to make our find their own. You can think of assets like digital versions of arts and crafts supplies with this new income source on the rise e- hopes that by the end of the year he'll have the option of doing it fulltime? He doesn't think you'll ever give up teaching at the college, but he would like that flexibility this game designer is well on the way to designing his freedom. On book tour earlier this month. We had a lot of conversations about lights, so important to build your own assets like Shane's tutorials, so that you can handle whatever comes at you. If you love college teaching, for example, but don't love the lack of benefits or security that comes in this increasingly adjunct focused environment, having a regular source of income can allow you to make changes like teaching fewer classes, like dropping those two days a week. Like he's doing so that you have more energy and mental focus for the ones you do take on doesn't mean you have to quit teaching but creating more security is always good. And of course, this applies to more than just college. Teachers everyone needs options. Everyone could benefit from the ability to choose for themselves how they spend their time and how they do the work that's important to them. So I'll leave you with that today. That's my encouragement for you. Inspiration is good. But inspiration with action is better. I hope you'll find a way to do something today to get closer to a goal you believe in today's show notes are at Seattle, school dot com slash nine eight. Linkup everything I mentioned in the episode and I'll be back again tomorrow. Thank you so much for listening. My name is Chris Gil about this is science school. From the onward projects.

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Phone Sex and Failed Threesomes with Nina Sever

F**ks Given

48:03 min | 2 years ago

Phone Sex and Failed Threesomes with Nina Sever

"You're listening to fox given the one with the neela over. Welcome to funks given i'm reid. I'm florence and we are on a mission to revolutionize the sex-based break down barriers and gives the lowdown on all things sexy every the week we will welcome a special guest to share with us their juicy details about their best box worst box or even the fox that changed them. I'm also hey y'all your guys sex questions and your worst sex stories. We're all about celebrating your sex. We removing the stigma around the whole number bullshit shit no matter how many people use with the number never matters because the fox given other fox that made us learn welcome. I i in a very special speed he'd air today. This is an record lost. One leather seats a bit like a sex expunging and here's a little bit books on the bulls and loving it we can get in the mood. I'm i'm already in the mood guys. Sorry nina out here amazing. Thank you for coming to our recording loud. Okay so today in a completely different place but please tell our lovely listeners a little bit about who you are and okay <hes> i thought about it actually and i really don't know what to say because they do so many things. Tell us oh i'll try. <hes> i write <hes> director <hes> performer all in the adult industry or erotic art <hes> so those are my main activities it also photography on photography and those are my main activities and sometimes they try to put them all together in one box walks and do a project some other times. They're just separate and yeah. That's how i feel how much energy i have and what gives me more money in the moment when i need it more freelancing out in the street. When you want to still be ethical it's <hes> turkey must be so how hard trying you <hes> guests directed eighty films eric alaska's. Why didn't you because we have in common as what yeah we do. <hes> <hes> oh yeah that was <hes> i didn't expect to do that in my life ever an opportunity and this does the power of instagram because i was just doing one of my q._n._a.'s talking about sex and stuff like that and someone asked about what kind of porn to watch and i was this just getting into a little bit of independent and i was like eric. I just talked her and then she went like thanks and i'm like oh god schanzer none like <hes> i check your work. Maybe you could do a good job as a director and i'm like well. I've never and yeah just scraped. This is the contract blah. Blah blah and i'm like the scraped. There's a scripting porn. I want to see he was learning about the process of making porn through doing it yourself yeah. It was a long process. I cried a lot. It was so stressed but i really wanted to do that. Yeah i mean it is just it's the same as making a short film making movies like you put as much effort into making a porn film and you. We're doing things to she's amazing. Yes a lot of pressure especially for the performa because it's not just one person with a camera but yeah the whole crew ooh everyone's watching you and it doesn't matter how cool and and like nice everyone is still to be watched when you're doing the most intimate thing trying to they have in mind the camera and what you're doing looks good and trying to enjoy it but also like trying to come on come on you know it's been a couple of florida should should really come should not yeah i'll resign usually no pressuring coming obviously <hes> especially for females especially both in ethical. Oh porn i think but i i haven't done much as a performance myself so and so yeah i haven't directed a film with a with a m- male with a person with a penis anus so i don't know how much pressure that could be automatic and only based on what i've learned commercials everything. It's like the culture. It's almost like you have not saying. If the guy doesn't come he doesn't get paid which is insane because that's what they look for so much in commercial porn especially like my porn porn. It's yeah and lanky crush via the mail pop show. Did you perform in your own film as well. Oh no i just did a couple of projects for a company and <hes> i'm thinking of doing something on my own yet and <hes> there's a new platform launching in september <hes> it's called <hes> <unk> junkie and is sex work friendly. It's ottawa content friend lanes lanes yeah. That's why see if that can work there because patron and all the other platforms are not good with anymore that really yeah. I've been banned but i've been suspended a hat to really yeah. It's just <hes> so. What did you have them. Patron patriot not bundy engy yeah. I didn't have sex content. I just had what you can see on my website. Actually a- <hes> a bit of writing photography nudity not even too explicit you can find things like open legs or anything i can see that in an got y con you because artists online's generalization tation though it's like there's no they don't have the funds for thousands of people to sit there and and really go of your work. It's like they have to just do musset. Just wipe everything everything all. It's not right but you know in that might just to make sure that sex workers are gone the laws and stuff oh yeah that was the main yeah yeah crash down. I don't wanna put in an age verification stuff. It's it's too pricey. It's too expensive so it's easier just everyone that sex related or erotic related off same with instagram patron tumbler. Yeah i quit timely. I was that was so fun. It was fun. Good is where we started. I yeah we started yet because tumbler was for sex and tumble of opponent all the time. I loved it. I had my save like places. I went gifts and stuff yeah. Eh gifts and you're like raring yourself ready. Skeletal are gone tumbler talking of the juicy parts. Let's get into into the main part of the paul's number one the last <hes> it was <hes> phone fuck. How eh boo calls before haven't had that in a long time so is this happening. Oh my god i just <hes> and yeah all my flatmates were homa required which tension can be exciting erase him. Oh no it wasn't like <hes> purpose sex chat. It was more like we were doing our thing and listening yeah <hes> other doing that. It's almost like a little bit of sensory deprivation because you're not seeing them. All you've got is the audio radio on yeah good like mind connection <hes> yeah yeah. Can you tell us through this special person want. I mean you don't have to identify. Whether addresses don't you like. They are obviously <hes> in london. Mm-hmm otherwise would have happened which is a shame. I think sometimes even like couples leaving the same cd should try. Maybe in the same house each in the berm. Why not be interesting yeah. It should be a new experimentation for couples that despite the sex lives yeah three simple bowl. It's free and then you just go check on each other. Yeah kerryon if you but it's definitely a really good tool for long distance relationships yeah. That's that's all i have. That's all i have. It's tough but it's exciting because if there is no oh my like mental connection. It just doesn't work not from list so even if it's someone i'm really attracted to physically. It's something that i wouldn't be too comfortable. Optimal will yeah so this cool for those reasons <hes> how does it. How did it work like. How did you work up to the act of sex sex. Did you schedule it in. No we were talking about some random shit as usual. I remember remember really space pace good yeah. It's amazing some deep yeah yeah. It's it's that turns me on intelligence. It's a it's a big thing <hes> yeah and then he was gone. I'm going to go now and go call my mom. Oh wait. I'm like no don't go. Oh i'm just i don't know i was just already kind of kind of touching myself a little bit lake missing then did a bit of breathing breathing and then he stayed. Don't go going on right now. <hes> mhm go anywhere. You'd be stocked your phone you did you did you how the touching yourself yeah. That's yeah. I told them and they like all fucking. I'm going to my room. Okay okay. We're doing this. I don't know i i really enjoy turning on and now it's really unfair turning men because it really shows it's obvious they can't hide it. Return she if they're like where they shouldn't be. Is it tiny new on. You getting hard awed. You know there's something about that. That's really fucked up trying to get them call. Obviously you're not trying to get them yeah. Yeah the cia not hide themselves not stop here on work. Oh god yeah. I mean this is similar to your day job. Read if no one knows. Would you tell people what you do. Oh i basically that is my. The job is phone. Sex my god reading. I should know how to explain it. It's like you go to the adult channels on on your tv and what company will studio sixty six and you sit the thing is there are obviously certain rules in place because television so daytime. I'm before nine pm. Ten pm watershed. You're not allowed to talk about anything sexual so you do have to be clever and get around it and be small talk about sexual things but without out being sexual at all like oh my god you at the gym. Oh way reading sounds so hot. You're at the gym. I love hearing you are cow. <hes> oh can can you stretch me out. My muscles are so tyler yell at the gym and there's a real fine line because that's not really acceptable but as soon as it hits ten ten mpm that sense it comes off. I can say fuck anything. I'm mike god that's a great job john yeah you're probably like a pro phone sex to this. I could talk forever on it. Maybe we should say this for another time. States is fun but it's also a job. You know there's some conversations happening sexy and do tomi on most of them generally are like i'm doing this for what yeah i think we've come to a conclusion here that phone sex is really fun and everyone's mind so good it back to the first book. That was not nice hungry. They didn't expect it to be nice. Just didn't have like a romantic expert the romanticized expectation from it yeah <hes> but yeah. I was still a bit fucked up. I mean i didn't want the guy guy to know that it was my first time. I don't even know why we were kind of dating mine. I shouldn't even want him to know and i was like i remember. We were on on the bus going home. Have you ever like oh yeah. One person and i'm like oh virgins in both of you have a leg just lying along just like with this stigma around like the two sides of things because virginity as a stigma itself. Oh it's going to her on not gonna be able to inform well and then you've got the virginal like for the first time oh it's so so sexy and sacred. I think a lot of people felt like that. I i wanted to live a long time for about like a desperate to have sex. I hate you too. I just i want get over with it like i was on my period so all alone. I know it was okay. It was kind of finishing it was fine so if i bleed he's not gonna know all the small but yet dumb. Why should that matter yeah. Exactly you know misinformation. The sex education is just about how you get pregnant. You watch the game pregnancy and varied. Oh yes of course so yeah and i got i had some condoms but they were like the wrong ones because they linked delayed the thing because the rabbit ready to fake their specific to someone who suffered from. I don't know english for that but you know when you come to like de sensitive these on on something like that yeah so he would just go on forever. And how can we stop ashore. Especially your first time is quite soon row. Yeah i didn't feel i don't remember feeling pain all right. I was like so radio in my mind because i need this over with blood. You may not bloody discharge at the end of the theory then like a law pain when you first have sex is because you're just not lived up near me yeah. I'm sure is wanted it and i was still it was just it wasn't painful. Thanks i'm constable yeah. It's like being dry dry spell's thing maybe he just needs fucking loop. Yeah yeah we'll be on our periods because it is like literally pre lube anyway. It's it's the right thing. Yeah feels right leaps great so tell us more what what happened when you asked him to stop <hes> well. We just stopped. We were both happy to stop because we were just like going. What are we doing <hes> and yeah and dated more and reflect again three times in the second time he was like i've got the condoms this time tonight ones and <hes> yeah and that was fun. I mean <hes> yeah geno what an orgasm was having like that obviously so i was just like okay. This is sex. I don't understand why everyone is so crazy about. It and i'm sure there's a mental health condition about sex disappointment. You're looking forward it for years and years and years you have in your life wat- that yeah especially as no one's really talked about pleasure like how how how like how else are you supposed to feel pleasure during sex because we're told that it's just like in our in our out yeah yeah. I'm really quick comes. I imagine you you were probably like shouldn't have the guy yeah yeah and also that's like the only thing and if you do anything before the end it's for play like you do it before and not like it's not sex technically. It's not sexist. Penetration everything else is just like you do it so that that the person with vagina gets wet yeah and that's it. I mean it's kind of the thing we want to talk about about clitoris yeah. How mad is i know. It feels good. I mean boys were told that if they want it feels great and then they shot can i. Why were we not hold. It feels great. They were just hold. If you wait wait you edgy probably just being like no enjoying their wine just waiting for the come. That's probably walk warner's so far. I remember member. Some of my friends telling me like oh. You're not the first time i touched myself. It was just a bit uncomfortable so i would stop on again. What stop and then. I come so that's the uncomfortable feeling was and i remember my forest. At first orgasm on my own was that it was like i always gonna be uncomfortable. I i oh my god. This is working working yeah and uncomfortable feeling it was actually leading me to like my climax yeah yeah. It wasn't necessarily uncomfortable but just different. Maybe we'd all too. It feels like you know when you you know you're trying to piss or like when you're being fingered for the first time you're trying to do the whole squirting thing. It's not really sure whether or not does this good. I'm not sure i think i need to pay also like over thinking oh yeah standard the life of a female i i just fuck three best faulk that was three years ago with a woman <hes> um i've been with women before then and it was amazing but i was just so in love with this person and we hot such a great connection and i wasn't my favorite city in the world which is berlin and everything was just so magic and we were best friends before anything happened opened so that connection as well and then it just happened and she would make me calm lake right away and you never happened happened only on my own like if someone else is doing something to be fucking. Yes it takes a while and she would just like what you hear a little bit. I don't it was like wow you must be. I was in the mental connection that being really into some in love your conscience consciously in love not just like hormonally but yeah it was amazing so that was like one instant between you. Both that you you would count as the bass vocals it just every single time i remember the swan specifically it was it was my last day berlin that time and we helped to go to the airport and she just decided to take my pounds off apple now home were that's my oh yeah hot but rested on itself. Yeah oh yeah expensive have to fail during our airport for fucking poon film. It's easier to build a one hundred percent ups yet. Although the security not offices each cavity sets you see ever wa l. Let's that's a good idea. There we team. I'm up make it reality not minute okay so you're home ready to go to the apple two forty pounds down and <hes> she <hes> donald me. I was just like a fucking channels on my fly. No k. and i was just like you know what don't give a fuck that moment when you just let go and smarter west. It's just the pleasure yes sir good also when you're just like you sir flight. I didn't steal because we've run like crazy and you know i i. I used to come really quickly with her so not worked yeah. It was the first time it wasn't like you know. We're going to do this then. I do this to you. It was just like she just wanted to do this for me. Yes that was eternal ah-ha so good it's amazing and yet it's the bust orgasms is when you just don't think of anything just for pleasure on the thing that you feel bill yeah there and when you're really honing at that time as soon ready for you. I need need some pleasure. What does she do. Ya eh that was so perishable is anything you could take from the experience unlike teach other people about how to eat some now amazingly <hes> <hes> she just knew the exact spot to hannah or the tongue the the the rhythm the right like consistency is important all nice case in my case i mean it's everyone but most of the a women i know are about like rhythmic assistance. Yeah diversity is fun in the beginning. If i wanna comedy <unk> doing that same thing and you're talking about right spot is a non clitoris right spot near the clitoris or on the chris russo sooner specific point on clear and there is another one a little bit underneath at the entrance <hes> so inside the g spot spaw and she just got all three of my go on and the fingers and the right read them and rural sex is just amazing but this is like it's been lean years really yeah or sex tang relief <hes> my partner neither moment where into the penetration shit right now which is annoying because unlovable zags yeah good one. I had some really crazy the other day on another podcast where they were told me about <hes> a guy roy who was like obsessed with with thinking that he would hatch strep throat from giving or say. Oh my gosh the he did one strep throat. It's just a bad throat infection yeah. It's not like a nasty. I can beat sexually transmitted yeah yeah but apparently that is a thing. I'd never even considered that you could get like a sore throat from meeting someone out. I mean to be fair. We should really be telling people about this because we don't want to scare people ah from eating and eating pussy also right. Let's talk about that when you can get from that as well you know when you have a concession concession and you'll throw is killing you afterwards because it's like all the gagging and all like the hitting the back of the throat in trying to get the dickey and as far as possible i can talk to feel like all that much in the moment so horny and after that might exaggerate the little fox like fogged. I mean i. I have a weird like cracking joel so i don't know what this actually stands for but t._m. Jay is basically a bridge so if i'm talking like girl it's <hes> films actually because when they get in fact for some unique and clicking joe for example yeah or getting horny from watching maybe people who love mike johanns so he knows exactly buck number four the worst. Oh my god i have so many now it's true though like you know as you're from in my early twenties i slept with so many people just might not know one third i that the slut shamed thing game yet so i i was just enjoying my life yeah. Why was it like a school. Group of friends or i just didn't give a damn just sta yeah i just pleasure was my priority and stop me and then after a while it started being a bit too much <hes> so <hes> yeah when i was still experimenting and trying to understand my body someone else's body and and all the thing works. Sometimes you don't even unrealized when you're really not into that kind of thing but you carry on so it's over this kind of thing so i've been for a lot of that <hes> yeah it was me the and my best friend at a time and we're at the club and we start making out. I was not even into her. We were just like drunk. Horny and we're the closest people to each other in the moment so it felt safe and now stocks kind of fun <hes> those okay with it and then there was this other guy that she was making out with and i thought on <hes> and then next thing we weren't he's place all naked on the bad and that was still okay and and and i just thought in the second oh my god if it was just me and her it would have been so nice so yeah i was rian not into that guy <hes> eh as hard with the three three way because it's like you have to be into both of them. We'll have to try and go with the flow and that can be annoying. Sometimes i can't i have to connect with all the people involved in the moment or work i mean let's get to work for a while like i just remember this one moment me and her were kissing and suddenly the steak comes in between comedy. He was just like so excited. He decide what he's decrying cried in between both like pushed him away and get out of here and this guy i'd be like there are two girls kissing i want to be in the middle deck in the middle of their mouth is not the way to go about it. You'd be like guys in general screen enj- while she's just a disconnected a little bit she she was redrawing so i was like yeah. We need to stop this because you know she's disconnected. I'm tired hired fuck this and and he's like high but what if you finish and i'm like he jokingly she going to be doing eating popcorn and watching like my friend is struggling to get dressed and go so undressing. She's doing the same and he comes to her and he starts addressing her. So which is like you know. That's harassment doesn't matter if like a sexually go she was with that she's dressing that we're doing <hes> as consent boundary absolutely. Did she say no she. She couldn't show so drunk. Yeah yeah sure pushing him away. Trance tilted like you know get stuff <hes> <hes> so the whole experience was with then you know he was sitting naked on the bad side and i just sat next to him and i was lonely. I shouldn't laugh. It's not funny is is though i have blue balls real and <hes> and i look at him and i'm like you know what you have beautiful dick and he's like thanks. Do you wanna talk shit. Oh sorry we go as really trying that. Oh <music> pushy and was that the first time you met him as well yeah and what you just compliment day and be like oh thanks yeah <hes> rather than like me then yeah yeah just because someone compliments wallet lay doesn't mean that they wanna fuck you but then a lot people get wigs. I always say to my partner complement people. It's really nice economi- bloke they instantly think oncoming on and get weighed about it. I mean so it's like what can you do. The thing is it's like is a compliment or harassment depending on if you like the person aesthetically a guy comes up to you in the street you've got these gorgeous attractive and he's like you look amazing raising and then instantly that site nice compliment and if it was like so when hideous coming up and be like you look amazing yeah that's harassment. Not no i think in general talking to strangers is a bit of a feel you can give a compliment someone that i'm not in someone you've been engaged so as absolutely fine view sit there and say you had a nice call with yeah. Absolutely i was honest. <hes> and i thought it'd be bought for him but also kinda hated him because he was just. He had no clue what he was doing doing. He'll just like sitting new beat threesomes. I don't think so i just <hes> i think he's from that kind of environment where everyone is highest faulk strong. They didn't know what they're doing. They end up in the situation. They don't even know what consent is really. Pleasure is for every one because he just like you know just show his take their in between instead of being like rocket. Just like i'm here took it off. Didn't it's not like he wanted to be into your pleasure. It was all by now. It was all about him. Yeah definitely is that threesome etiquette when it comes to if one person wants to leave us at jewish in do like a rule that people shouldn't continue or like. Do you all stop the same time. They are all the rules too threesomes. I know i think is the kind of boundary and stuff that you build on the go doc depending on the situation who you are with it depends how they leave how they feel if they feel awful issue just like support them and see what happens <hes> carry on your it'll be like selfish asia coming out of a situation so intense together. I don't think it's right. It's just leave them on their own like that. Just go on. I i need to cut my kid from school or something then fine. It's i mean it's different people and especially not just with two people three people. You really have to read the room yeah. There's nothing wrong with bowing our situation. I'm watching as you that all the talk all the time. I just see them. Just watch because it's having having a three way is hard is hard work because it's not just one person you folks in your attention on you have to try make equal and you know i might giving each person of attention and if you're ending up with one person more than the other and there's a lot of very variables to think of when you're having a threesome which can also get in the way of your pleasures. Well todd god for a long time. I had this foursome which is more like swapping partners but just like we were in that together and we clicked so oh well yeah night that we were not thinking as we were fucking and everything was fluid and you just worked out on its own and that was incredible incredible so i'm like okay. This is possible good three good. <hes> group sex taught number five the fuck that made me <hes> and sounds so strange question it is i've been thinking about this and <hes> this person keeps keeps coming back to my mind was i was i think i was eighteen or nineteen and this person just clicked <hes> without really we know each other and then we got to know each other and we filing love. It was the first guy that i could let myself go with <hes> just like completely look at each other and he is so beautiful and you know when you were with someone and you go like do whatever you want to me like literally whatever you want yeah yeah and that was the thing to whatever he wanted and it was the same for me now solely berating and beautiful we didn't have to talk it was just like listen to each other's bodies and yeah yeah that was that was incredible. I remember it was also the first time i enjoyed anal sex. Yeah not like we didn't go for penetration because of steel bit scared but he used inga's as he was penetrating me and i was like is this good heels great like just more stimulation and more stuff to feel down there yeah and also like you know when you just this give yourself to someone like that that psychological side of it especially when you're ready for it because your asshole needs to be ready in like wanting to suck fingers in like yup uh-huh and that just came psychologically no physical preparation. It was just my brain. That was just like yeah. I won this and he was amazing. Um <music> also things. Did you get to each other <hes> like you said that he could do anything to you did did it get kinky was anything no it never got kinky because i was stupid news whoever thing and it was the first time i was actually allowing myself due to to feel pleasure so it was just reading tons sykes pain was involved as well like pain. Yeah that's kinky. <hes> okay okay so you know i had my limits and he knew them. He could feel them and he just yeah. It was just incredible. What kind of pain if you don't mind emmy oscar it could be spanking. You could just you just grab a part of my body and you just squeeze or just grab something mostly like robbing like my hips for example. I'm paul george. I don't know <hes> shoulders right thing. Show would not so much in the joking room. Nah ah i like to bring no. I liked free. No i don't mind a little bit just like briefly in yeah. I know the person is not doing something silly trustee yeah <laughter> strongly. No no pain and pleasure is a really interesting like topic though because they go so awhile hand-in-hand train is so interesting because you can't i've seen literally seen people being whipped to coming like when no one's it's touching their genitals but they have been able to come just from whipping and that blows. My mind is crazy yeah. That's cool so cool. Our brains are beautiful four. We really one big enclosure is yes. Yes including the men as well one big joint. I i enjoy pain during sex as well like i loved biting. Yeah you've answered i don't. I don't like i don't mind. I don't even feel feeling though when it's actually happening like i think it just all like the drench it is like literally just goes all so i don't even feel like after office nation via like phoebe bruises the so every week our listeners send us in a sex question. Today's is i've been struggling to reach orgasm with my partner for a while now and i have no trouble when using sex toys by struggle michael to when i'm having sex with my boyfriend i hear so many amazing sex stories and i feel like i'm missing out any suggestions so they can't can't reach orgasm with a partner. All my go babe is like one of the most common issues that most women yeah face especially when it comes to falling in love with a sex story because we've all done. It must be just yes with mine. I feel like a carton of sex without it but it's not a a bad thing. That's what you're thinking about. You're thinking. I can't come with sex so it's not about that. It's it's the sex tweets complementing the sexes non taking over whatever you like. You should do use whatever you like. I think about something that i've struggled with sex is that i always felt like i needed orgasm without a toy. When it comes down to it's just basically denying yourself an orgasm august my join the natural way or like she spoke orgasms. <hes> just a pena's you know just a tool. We made you know even when that happens. It doesn't happen every time i feel your way where you are and most most often when you do <hes> orgasm during sex with a partner it is some sort of like rubbing on the clear or some applicable stimulation should be getting to orgasm anyways so be easier with a sex toy oy yeah and it's like it's almost guaranteed x. y. Yeah you're right but the problem. I hot in the past when i started using toys with partners is they would get insecure. Yeah so you need to know is just one of the things i like yeah. I can use it. It's not it's not about your not enough. Yeah exactly. It's not your not better than you. I'm here with you right now with my right as a sex aid process plus you can't beat being with a person it doesn't matter how in love or how amazing a sex we is being with us and it's like so completely different. It's a different form of sex your yup a sex toy especially if it means that you're going to have a more pleasurable time. Yes completely okay to do to reassure your partner and be like this isn't replacing you. I mean it's it's always good doing a little break from your sex toy and game by into your hands and each other as much as we enjoy sex toys. There's nothing along with having a right or even just having break from master bachchan like deny alabama's nine to beijing two weeks and your your pent up energy will solve result in weather in the bedroom work for some yeah definitely and there there are loads of things like this c._b._d. C._b._s. loops which have really helped in the past obviously haunting you some of the majority of them with condoms clam mostly oil-based bought what they can result in the most amazing deep orgasms so daphne recommend using things like that but then also so. It's <hes> you don't need orgasm every time i say that it's not all about the orgasm probably the fact that you're focusing so much on the fact that you need need to have an orgasm. They're not gonna get yourself from it. Yeah definitely don't need to have an orgasm during sex filled up. If you don't wanna use the sex tweet don't use on all these wild crazy sex stories that you're hearing most of them probably didn't even end up in an orgasm. Oh yeah even show or you know that eh a sex toy or with without sex. Everyone thinks that we all resume the end of sex because of porn. I think oh yeah there. We go again aw man. I used to definitely feel wrong like it wasn't a shag. If neither of us came yeah i felt the same and it's total a to fucking bullshit what it means. It doesn't count because neither of us like a came under. He's just one of the things that happen. Yeah i mean it's not true to fill down about it because you feel like you're gaza is the ultimate when you want to give that pleasure or receive. That pleasure is pretty amazing but it's not against not the only thing that can happen. Yes fucking how in our last episode we were talking about clinton lingus lingus being better from people that played bras instrument and win and we put it out that is this true is is this thing and on listeners responded they came back to flutes and trumpets bones at aryeh every so far. We've got brass. Stash wind players tongue mogi wet emoji. I'm a recent recent graduate from the royal college of music and i can confirm that some instrumentalists a better than others all my go. Oh it's not hard and fast. It's not hard and fast rule but wind plays a usually the by talking. I love it so i wonder if they're saying saying that they're good or if they're saying that they've been like maybe hopping around the university yeah yeah yeah. She also tested that she almond the music college you would probably call niches while a few different sorts of musicians wins. 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788 - Her Drawing Olympics | Sleeping With Doctor Who S2E12

Sleep With Me

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788 - Her Drawing Olympics | Sleeping With Doctor Who S2E12

"<music> ladies and gentlemen boys and girls and friends began by Mary. It's Sanford podcast. I Dunno from his goodison sliced bread but I say I usually miss like I could mispronounce a slice of bread spice spreader splice bread and maybe we'd have spice to sliced bread and sell by the seashore sliced scoots scoots. His bread sliced is spiced and I want to say diced. I mean I could you if you're making <hes>. What's that stuff called you ever Thanksgiving stuffing? You do <hes> slice it slice it and dice shit <hes> splice it to like and I do actually with my <hes>. This is totally off topic but for my stuffing I do like to mix like a rye or pumpernickel and a sour dough just a little pro tip and totally seasonally out out of date. You know what I'm talking about. <hes> good question. You know why I'm talking about it because it's time for sleep with me. The podcast that puts you to sleep and if you're a regular listener could really police have your attention for just a few minutes and then when your hand hits the Fridge tomorrow a good asleep podcasts dot com slash sponsors because this is a ways we keep the show ago in a everybody wanted to congratulate Sam and Sam's family on the purchase of a new casper hybrid mattress. It's time for the sleepy supporters zone and it's funny because Sam in Sam's <hes> family is going to be supported in that a wonderful casper hide hybrid the same scoots as gats in their sport in the podcast that put you and everybody everybody else's sleep so stays free for everybody wanted to thank Sam for letting me know Casper no and go to casper dot com slash sleep with and you sleep with a checkout it to get one hundred dollars toward select mattresses terms and conditions apply <hes> but thanks and let me know when you sponsor like Casper but that's it. This is the end of the part of the show. I need you to hear the sleepy supporters on. Thanks everybody Oh mystery barred a <hes> was wondering there's a lot of people worked very hard on this show who are they chorus post post or some sounds carol ws for sound Scotty Jefford around the website mystery bar commissioned at song. Tell me the story person Sir you see the kind shine straight on the phone stacy seren Julian Jennifer. These are your Nana raid. It's fourteen scorer unpatriotic merchant support. The spawns confined thank you let's see with me dumb gun and we're so proud Dan's to be Carta de thank you Mr Barred. <hes> I'm Ed dear scooter on twitter and instagram also a huge way to help the show and help other people in your life is to share your honest experience with podcast. If you need some ideas and how to do that go to sleep with me podcast dot com slash share in. I believe that's it what you say we get on with the show here. You're all night tossing earning mind racing trouble getting to sleep triple. Staying Asleep will welcome. This is sleep with me. PODCAST puts you to sleep. We do the bedtime story. Most you need to do get embed. Turn out the lights and breast way. I'M GONNA do the rest of going to attempt to do you re to save place where you could set aside. Whatever keep you with at odds feelings of physicals anything physical so things you're thinking about things you're experiencing emotionally physically typically feeling the where he might be? You know you could be traveling so what else could be traveling. You could be a student you could work to second or the third shift you could be getting ready for whatever it is Atlantic. Take your mind off that is really the the kiss to the show is take your mind off of things while you've falsely to keep you companies you drift off into Dreamland in the league. I don't usually use this word facility but to create a safe place to facilitate all that and it's really an important part of it is <hes> even though it's like a totem is a safe place <hes> lake. It's not really a totem cedar of the mind is with told him stands for but I I you know I it's a joint safe place. <hes> <hes> carving out here in Kennison here who's funnier room in other ways. I try to facilitate it or stay. WHOA scoots hold on with the established station before facilitation in I say Chimney Chimney Chimps Tarif for sure what I'm GonNa do is send my voice across the deep Derek Vitamin to use of walling Susan Creaky dulcet tones pointless meanders nonsense in again nonsense words or words that are in contact conceptually nonsensical like you say well in you know for a chimney sweep or a character in a musical or an actor or an actress in a musical chimney Tim Cherie make sense in the middle of asleep podcast when you were talking about something else? That's somehow you already forgot about. Oh <hes> don't even I know what it would nonsense words or whatever oh no. That was my nonsense word okay again mix it but what I'm a do as a messiah my voice across Oh nonsense words that's nonsensically semi voice crusty slowing soothing tones pointless pointless meanders in kind of like a not just oh Ni- lake nine. There's there's a part of it. It's a nonsensical in a way to try to deflate the intensity a bedtime to dial it down. You can hear me breezing you know to to to to give some levity to give you some room not just a breeze but to unwind to get some distance in the drift off offense you you're here. Maybe because you heard about despite gas to maybe a regular listener glad you're here. Maybe this is your second or third time. <hes> you know anything. Maybe occasionally use the show the maybe I don't know if you're here because you're having trouble getting asleep fall asleep staying asleep <hes> in the middle of sleep. You know whatever it is. <hes> you deserve some rest. I mean if you're here for a good night's sleep. You deserve that if if you're here for a break during the day you deserve some room there to breeze to and that's really why I'm here is to help now. This doesn't work for everybody so if your new <hes> in your approaching show with a healthy dose of skepticism or even an extra you know and then you say a couple of extra tablespoons skepticism toler make sense like maybe you heard about this podcast and he said what is it to sleep podcasts okay and maybe maybe this is already a little divergent from your expectations. It's a little bit different yeah for sure <hes> in yeah. Who am I to can well? I've been there. That's why make the show also my thoughts tend to be disjointed. Join it so they may be making more skeptical at first so I was given a few tries. Let me if you let me give you a couple of other pieces information. Structurally the show starts off with a few minutes of business as how we acheived show free and going over six years <hes> so thanks everybody more more important for regular service. If you're new just kinda like <hes> whatever thanks for listening to that then there's intro now we probably a couple minutes into the intro. The Indra Intro is like the wind down portion of the show or you know for some listeners in maybe this is me being you know idealising things because there's no wrong way to use this podcast but you know I am a hopeless hopeless romantic when it comes to bedtime routines. I wish you Ha- you know I wish sorry just goofing him. I said well it. Could we could anyway my bedtime routine. Unfortunately is hopelessly non-romantic. Romantic is <hes> it gives they get caught my own pond. I was exposed by an accidental pun but <hes> was a saying like in my romantic version of it which is much like my romantic bedtime. anyways <hes> A pitcher listeners that GONNA start the show or there's like listeners can take care of dogs either lake in professional or volunteer sense like it a lot of places. There's animals people play the podcast now. It's really romantic to me. I mean in a like a a love animals in knowing the podcast playing is you know th they they wind down for the night and put their heads down that really is touching to me but also kinda just seeing listeners brushing their teeth and they can bear. You know you can't really hear that great when you're brushing your teeth but that's GonNa you know you don't really need to hear me that great <hes> in then you know the ideally you're Yep. Thanks <hes> Dennis everywhere whereas you're actually giving me a blonde everybody all my listeners loss of course Dennis. May you know then. Maybe you do the rest of your skin care routine if you do any L. I'm big and I actually don't. I'm aspiration only one day nine. Only we'll have a skincare routine. I'll have a elbow routine. I don't know why I again. romanticize bombing elbows but I do in whole time this intro splaying in the listener she gets into bed. Maybe maybe they're paging through something or maybe they're doing. You know it'd be I guess you could journalists inspired cast as I said maybe you're doodling getting your temperature said getting your blanket set. <hes> maybe dimming the lights in the intro reliable issues as part of the wind down is was my point is statistically speaking like I think two or three percent of people skip the intro to about eighteen minutes interest start to show their into some listeners fall asleep during the intro and I think a lot of systems become patrons. You know that that we keep the show going and so some some New People like when you're new the intro kind of it can definitely throw you off because it's not super efficient just because I've found bedtime and getting to bed is inefficient so it's about a twelve or fourteen minute wind down where I just got to try to explain the podcast swallow easy motion and get lost in my discursive thinking try to come up with goofy metaphors. Then I forget what metaphor I made it beginning to show that already happened then. I'll try to come up with another metaphor and me talk to imaginary friends. Take phone calls. Calls from imaginary beings would which field me very real <hes> a lot of friendly banter so is he intro- but it's a big part of the show for a lot of listeners and it's something that's grown out of listener <unk> feedback in that's how you know it's optional like the regular listeners know that <hes> so that's intro then tonight after the intro will have there's some business stuck between the intro his show again. You're winding down keeps the show going then tonight. We'll be talking about Dr who I think season two episode eleven or twelve right yeah somewhere in there episode with the Olympics in it and it'll be very <hes> in directed discussion episode not really any spoilers not really any points. We'll just talk about roadwork gained Koreans and things like that so we kind of barely resembled the original episode. Maybe talk about some stuff. I had to look up <hes> say. I wonder what that manner Oh. They said. It's what they call that an England. What do they call it in the U._S.? Or things you know say okay what are what are some factoid about the twenty twelve Olympiad is she. SCOOTS TAKES US TO SIXTY S. Thank you thank you brain so that'll be the episode portion then at the end of the show is some dank us assess structurally what to expect in. Here's the good news. This is the this bad. Guess doesn't really have a lot of rules. People people use it in Ohio tons of different ways people listen at ten episodes of night. There's people listen to the same episode over and over and like I said we talked about other use cases but <hes> you don't this is one podcast. You really need to listen to two in. Ideally I just get enough of your attention to take your mind off whatever's keeping awake. I walk at your side. Stand at your side. Sit At your side sitting nearby sit across the hall across the room. Whatever you're comfortable with in and keep you company as you drift off into the arms of Morpheus so you don't need to listen to me in the percentage of listeners either that don't understand anything I'm saying or that turned me way down to a mumble? There's also no pressure to fall asleep. This is against the paradox is like you don't need to listen but you can you might not hear any the story with the story or the journey of the doctor who episode will be complete because there is no pressure falsely but maybe to be here about an hour you cue up ten hours episodes if you need them. I'm here to keep you company. I'm here for those listeners. They can't sleep just as much as for the ones that are deep deep asleep in Oh boy. Do you look good sleep been so deeply am so it makes me so happy because I know you know that you're resting but those you that aren't. I'm here to in in you by the way you look great to did you did you bomb your elbows. Tonight will boy so I'm here no pressure to fall asleep a- at all this is it's a it's a it's a yeah you falsely at your leisure or not I mean I'm here to keep you company. I truly believe you deserve a good night's sleep and so on that's struggled with sleep on and off and tons of different ways including this one which podcast this might be one of the few use cases. If I guess is not good for the or might be good for the wind down or or portion is like the thirty minutes before your alarm wake up <hes> that's that's what's been going out with me this week and it see that's great that you're really waking up right before that alarm but <hes> that barred what we plan to discuss last night so no really if you say. I'm glad there's some sort go get her inside me. 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Who if you're watching on Amazon episode twelve if you're watching it somewhere else that's probably episode? Eleven <hes> <hes> has have the alternative working title here <hes> Her Olympics <hes> a but it also has a different title <hes> in <hes>. It was really enjoyable. Episode Olympic themed a little bit <hes> balloon loon cloudy Sky Opens with Happy Music is actually blue sky with clouds which I said Miss Alaska Yellow Mr Blue-sky we see a banner says London Two Thousand Twelve Olympics Olympics Orange One two thousand twelve London or twenty twelve London Olympics or twenty twelve of Olympics of London and then to see a male person. There's road repair going and I say says a male person awesome is doing food delivery but then I said No. I think that's a mail delivery Ned because this is twenty twelve. It was in one of the food delivery services. It could have been filmed. I don't actually know what it was filmed it. We see a baby in a pram. Damn kids playing soccer in their yard dock washing. Dan is washing a car. We see someone with her hand and a second story window looking out to a woman looks around then. I think there's a spin cam. Doctor can't help decay. Can't you feel it go inside. Decay means or ad is that an ad and now but what happens is <hes>. I just saw the spin. Cam is a woman. She's walking with her her basket and she knows something's coming coming coming like coming. I mean she says something's happening. She's surprised why nobody else notices it in her name's May actually just like the famous lamp posts named May if you listen to everything is alive podcast. Oh yeah they so you must call Dr. She Says No dad can help with this. <hes> is she says don't you feel it. It's in the air and she tells everybody go inside. We hear Kookaburra Kookaburra girl singing. That song we see boy in a Union Jack Polo or was a t shirt. I wasn't sure the girl that was singing also drawing laugh Kookaburra spe- Spiegel writing. I don't know what that says. Within the dead is dismissive of the woman may is a say goad or road or a goal which goal we go back to the girl who's drawing she's really into it ended and she finds a way to take the boy with a Union Jack Out of the goal of sack Gaul goal and put them in a drawing for fun for total fund purposes. He's an has for sure about but in the episode opens it was bang. It's by Matthew Graham is in we see after the open to blue crew neck create sort of this called Lake storage containers to like shipping containers almost that are almost the same blue the tartus in between them lake just a little bit less than wedged in there so that it can't open the Tartu store which guests this'll be trivia. The tortoise door opens outward. D- And so then they deter to St Materializes and Richard realized it was the door turned it Dr goes out. He has Brown Pinstripe Sudan but it does not have a tie. He says I rose looks. <hes> had Shayne Ward poster like post no bills Shayne ward bills are posted right upcoming Shayne Ward show. It's the near future her because he says Yes Sanford the Thirtieth Olympiad in London he said I hit a pass in passing fancy but didn't pass <hes> so we came here. They talk about it. Club Med ed doctor seems like only yesterday I was at the original Olympics. <hes> you know with the Greeks anyone who opening ceremony like I thought he'll blake it. He was also one in nineteen forty eight eighty two Wimbley looking for carrying the torch he loves a cakes with ball bearings and their little cakes with two crunchy ball bearings <unk> thoroughly ordinary street. Hey think the doctor mentions within of course rose realizes she says feels cold in and what does it say. What makes you think it is a person a wise it so called holded actor says <hes> someone reducing temperature and then they realize there's some you know they were brought there for a reason <hes> a Rosa's what makes a person do something in taxes for me thinks that makes you think it's a person person and in the doctor runs off to fool fields <hes> fo-for something with his Co.? Field goal the football goal with his fingers car stalls by rose for the fifth time I'm today that says I started said bonkers but it might say benders bound irs <hes>. Maybe it's this gentleman's nameless either car as Cooper mini ran out to the gentleman work insist fifth time today Eh he says let me give you Bush. The Guy Says I just got my car tuned over. Don't even know what happened. Oh he does say it's bankers bankers and then rose help soon push the car art starts after they get it going a little bile. Dr Tickles Fo- Sautin actor tickles his fingers. Let's see dad which you came can't come the doctor talks about the game chutes and ladders by another name. Gentlemen talks about tarmacking every pothole they talk about the torture was going to be nearby. That's why you make an street so good. Oh you doctor since his some tickles in his fingers anger's a no the dad comes. Why are you staying into my kids? Gold Dude which your game and the doctor goes well. I'm Joe shoots and ladders squash. <hes> those are the Games. I like to play <hes> some fish fish being facetious. Oh sorry I've got a colleague Louis. <hes> who's rose <hes> His dad's acting like e. I mean the actors like using his psychic paper. He system didn't like gets rate here. Oh then it's like an argument between the city the council workers in the the people that live on the street in some guy from the Council says stop picking on me and stop blaming me in the actresses. Everybody put your fingers on your lips <hes> and he says this was a good street Inada Outta Person Lisa look <hes>. Oh we see the person looking out the window is a doctor does some sniffing like a dog A._C.. Two right here among US metal smelled actor says <hes> hairs on the back of my neck or back of my ahead syncing awful lot of power is in we see the young girl who's been drawing her name's cool Oishi during a cat with Dale the boy in the Union Jack Shirts and we'll see would who looks frowny Dale looks round in. She says he made Dale Frowny cat which will make him happy then I put Man Torch Watch a Colo Colo does not come and busy mom so I think her mom here's a watching everybody has their fingers on their lips now and then maeve doctor for permission to speak she says look around. This used to be a great street in colloids. Mom was portrayed in a specific way or not but she's definitely Aloof <hes> in this episode so I don't know if that was intentional or nad the Khloe like in her mom says as she goes mom unless you want me to draw you stay out of my drawing business. I don't want to watch the Olympic torch. Roses sees a cat. <hes> doctor says osas definitely not a person yea because a cat kitten cat goes to another dimension. Let's see what else come up here cat odor to catch sneaks new box and that goes into the drawing draw into drawing the land with Kolui three actresses Blimey. We gotta find the source of the power. That's drawing everybody into the drawings will they don't they don't know everybody's in drawing it. They just know they're being drawn away. Thing the source of <hes> keep up a package pocket Lewis Dosa doctors still calling Lewis Rosa Lewis like they're looking into stuff. You said some other thing like a typical like copper would and show keep up something. Louis echoey talks scolds kids so she scolds the kids in her drawing and she gets frustrated. She makes a big scribble. The daisy fairweather said person currently carrying a torch then rose goes up to a garage she she hears Sony some sort of noise under garage <hes> and she says I can open it and I can open it but <hes> I can open it not gonNA open it and she opens scribble flies out like <hes> lack of birds doctors apps it with the sonic screwdriver. This answered a question from last episode because the doctrine rose have a big hug so that was <hes> they said okay. He's a rose Dr do have physical connection <hes> <hes>. Let's see what else they put dialogue. Show suits talk about here. Let's see okay. That was a scribble scribble. Being <hes> the doctor Oh they test evacuees charter Sosa Seem Materials Graphite Pencil Dr Coles. It's so dinky it comes from the same energy so it's graphite so they do deferment rose water foods from child drawing. You said it was on the street. Oh the girl of shares looking out the window in seen her mom looked like she had her mind in the doctor goes or you deducing or deducting in Rosa's A._M.. Kopusovic permission of foul up SARGE. I didn't look this up H._p.. Pencil but that was interesting <hes> why make a shrivel creech shoe scribble being charged or you to do seeing the go to the house Nack Nack Nack repurpose purpose move <hes> what does it mean talk with mom or they do reverse like youtube reverse psychology move. They knock on the door they say he might if we check in with your daughter. She says no no no problem. In a doctor walks off his rose rose and then they say well. Why do you want to see Colo- Ian? They say should actors so decided look into it something going on here so she could help us. Sorry we'll just move on you can handle it yourself and then Trish mom says will can you help <hes> we'll give a little back story while rose go sneak around the house and then hides in linen closets. Khloe goes out of a room rose sneaks into her room is a nicer room. <hes> lots of kids stuff lots of kids drawings kids <hes> Rosen ax over the pencil she knows as the kids faces have changed as she's really Schizo in these drawings doctors getting back story downstairs always getting milk <hes> rose how you doing cool we weber and she goes. I'm busy as a matter of fact <hes> friscos is true shocks about coalition that day or doctor gives sure the Falcons salutes a looked at of acres should going back and invoices. She's I'm trying to help the drawings but they don't stop moaning in goes is a little bit of your tatum was mom. Rose Sue looks into wicca wardrobe in there's a big drawing in Nair. Koi says Dr hit the road. I'm busy detrick ulcer spoilsport which surprised checked act glowing at your juicy choline drew withdrawing gloaming is <hes> Rose Casa doctor. She says only just gone looks as drawing. It's a drawing in inner coadjutor wardrobe in the mom says you guys get a LE- lean leave at a house. We didn't cool because a little hint because she talks about herself in the herself in the plural us she refers to yourself Kenny her and her mom but also just yourself as us <hes> MOMS in a bit of denial about everything doctor tries to break through the Nihil. I'm here to help a doctor starts to exit jelly or something. Oh He's N._R._P.'s eating brown sauce or jelly in a kitchen rose in the mom and the doctor talk. A doctor does a ton of <hes> staring and thinking ended in speaking is back is actor. Do Bachelors were Rumer. Dr Does a bit of American Mind Meld <hes> is we can talk to another being it's a living with chloe and he says <hes> now we can talk <hes> also co cool. It gave the doctor Vulcan Salute back before he did Vulcan Mind Meld enders another being risk khloe doctor says I'm here in compliance our lay with the shadow proclamation voices no care about shadows or parlay it turns out that the being living with Colo he's called Ice Solis which is a. Let's see what I get. Kuo E does mind meld parleys par Lacey's <hes> I. I think even that term guy used like a bit of a gallon. Turn lonely. I solas only far from home. Part of Laker collective being takes thousands of years for these ice Solis Switcher Lake Cadillac seedpods disobeyed <hes> it or from empathetic planet of community beings <hes> flying solar tides thousands years to grow up while they travel a play with each other in this imaginary veterinary embassy seeing a run on the fuel of love <hes> or they feel each other's love but a solar flare kind of knack to this particular Solis off chart. It was drawn to the heat in the street eight well. They were bashing. The streets ended the empathized with Colo e end the <unk>. This being does not along there so they say will you gotta get back. <hes> of course this isn't easy and cool always so then they facing Kookaburra to calm down in this. Oh we see a bunch of clothes American pen collection. We get BA- bank more back story mom. Oh I think <hes> pretty big chance for billions zoe watching eighty thousand crowd looking for the Pod to southern Ha I don't I don't know any of that means gene to be honest with you marker pen collection in backstory okay see to mommy. Actually this is from a big family four billion people so that's what's always I still gonNA WANNA find a bigger family soon and then there watching the opening games a crowd of eighty thousand rose and the doctor go out looking for the pod. We know wherever the I. Solis. This little ship became end is always sneaks into the house. She sees her Tartus in Dr Danker and Rosa on charter silicon for like a search device to find the pod <hes> actresses attuned to lonely mixed up kids the Ice Oh listen Kuo. You've got to help them. 'CAUSE Roskin has speaks audiences skepticism. Somebody says why should we help these two boxers mixed up they use a binary dot <hes> and some wormhole reflectors or something Rose Rose Zoe Zoe Khloe zoe there but she has stashed pencils everywhere in pens hidden in a room. The doctor drops a huge fan too. I was a dad once <hes> even though they're in the middle middle something Dr changes changes the subject <hes> he says in passing roast gives the W. T. F. Look <hes> fear and loneliness actresses powerful things and most of all a you need a hand to hold again beautiful language in there. Everything is coming doctor. He says like a goals egg within the doctor. Gets it draws a doctor and two drawing drawing actor into drawing is in something Edna roses non happy Oh. They weren't happy because we're rose. They said don't like don't leave go alone. Don't let it draw anything in my mom's like why she must've been big Olympics and cashews like watching the Olympics in having a glass of soda does try to chill doctors hands in pockets. <hes> arose tries to chill out adapters hands sure in packaged in the Pitcher d- only rose again only for a loan. She goes out to talk to CAL. WHO's Guy Looking at the road? He's working on the road fixing it again. There's a good joke. He said I could write the big book about tarmacking Armando King a every six six days. This is <hes> sixties goes the first pothole fixed so they realize rose realizes <hes>. That's when that's when the whole thing started started so she's like where's the first pothole and then let's see what the dialogue was pretty good because she says I'm GonNa dig it up and he says no no no no state you can't this. Is You know Council Property Van. Dan Rosa's don't were L.. Dig Up to panel you can put it back. It went through the hottest thing in the street your car in the Pothole in she pulls out. It looks like a Shell is she goes to cal says what is it. She goes. It's a spaceship rose finds a Colo East schuylkill always drawing again. She's alone <hes> surmise back on you know a little bit aloof. <hes> she talks to the talks she takes the star fruit moon MOMS downstairs having a drink empty stay. Oh so Kohli takes the empty so whole Olympic opening game shady ah she paints draws a whole stadium which they said before it happened was eighty thousand people in thirty thousand athletes <hes> Bob in a box <hes> they see back to you Bob <hes> w t f a rose and pick a pick ax <hes> issues are moving it Dr more than he to torches a beam so says they're trying to figure out okay rose wants to get the doctor out of the picture into to do that to get chloe or the X. Solis back to you know outer space. It's like okay doesn't just need heat <hes> in Arosa working with the doctors painting in then they the Olympic opening games is going in and C._v.. They say oh the torch is more than just a beacon or more than heat. It's a beacon of hope and love in this handwriting still going towards <hes> random empty. What durst timing only see look that up to see okay? Here goes needs more than he caught the eye. SOLA CIRRHOSIS WANTS <hes> kill says they see the picture move every needs or more than heat doctor. That's when they say it's more than a choice to beacon of hope fortitude and encourage a beacon of love. <hes> in rose knows Atta charge pod so she runs out to the route <hes> she has to get closer. It can stop everything me Michael always trying to get more family members four billion whatever she's drawn globe so there's a ticking clock now abide is making noises rose as you can feel the love can't chew and Rosas Rosa Pad and it flies into the torch in a torchbearer goes to knee in an keeps going and then we we go to cool always room in ISOS Eliecer. She says I can go home goodbye Koi Liberal Weber I love you cool always bag. She kind of connects reconnect with mom. <hes> she be a perfect. Throw feel the love goodbye cohee Weber. I love you mommy. She says <hes> everyone gets out of the pitchers. Big Music big hugs. Everybody's reunited stadiums filled visit actors missing. <hes> save is back on the street. She's all happy yeah all drawings her back to normal eye Solis Energy Gnat alone seeing doctors but oh you know this is getting to go back home. The jags are still missing. The Olympics are back at T._V.. They see thank goodness. Bob Good to have you back. <hes> absolutely I think it was in a drawing and then they Z.. Worse the dude with the <hes> the dude we can't run anymore with the torch end then who total moment of like a joy I guess the doctor scoops up the torch. The doctor Duda does a n starts running with it. He's carrying the flame essays more than flame. It's over courage love. There's big cheers in grins. Dr Runs Right into the Olympic Stadium Lights the Olympic flame the a soul lies out everyone's like industry with joy cake with ball bearings Rosa's seductresses tap banana and then there's a big hug and then there's <hes> Kuwait to tease because we see let's see how's it Kuo's cake tap banana all bearings you can eat masterpiece and in Roscoe's I saw gone kind of digress out on a nightly this time for law sings to be found goes. Let's go to the Games rose kazoo. It's who does good and what and then they joke <hes> in a fireworks to start in roses. You know what Dr will never be split up and then doctor says never say never in risk goes you will what was that about being a father. She doesn't say that but she says we'll never split who don't reckon doctor in doctor goes or something in the air. A storms approaching and episode comes to a close okay so let's shake the twenty twelve Olympics I think have this game on and we with Mario and Sonic <hes> It was Twenty Twelve Summer Olympics Thirtieth Olympiad Notice London Twenty Twelve July Twenty seven August twelve twenty twelve women's football the first event held selenium stadium in Cardiff and a foul by the Olympic ceremonies and a twenty seven th of July is the bid was held by Ken who the Mayor of London and Olympian Being Change Olympian Sebastian Coe they won over <hes> Uric Madrid Moscow and Paris <hes> I have modern Olympic three times last time nineteen eighteen o eight and nineteen forty eight <hes>. Let's see a lot of work that went into it and rebuilding and re use of venues <hes> widespread acclaim for the Organization Opening Ceremony was directed by Danny Boyle Michael Phelps when was twenty second medal is see anything else bidding process. We don't know about that. <hes> in the bay just barely beat out Paris owes really close and Vel mant venues. I'd bark you last stuff that we you know linked linked to it. They tried to get to <hes> public trains upgraded public transport to get ready. They ran a cable car cross Thames. I don't know if that's. Still up in the plan was to have eighty percent of any athletes travel have to travel us in twenty minutes to the event <hes> in ninety three percent less than thirty minutes. Let's see what else here <hes> too expensive ticketing countdown medals or torch relay here ago is the only Victoria went rain from may nineteenth to twenty seven to July before the game say lanes were developed in Twenty eight ten and twenty eleven and a torchbearer selection process announced in twenty eleven eighteen they ru twenty Mateen's twenty twelve to flame arrive updated in Cornwall from Greece and later called firefly and inflate flame was carried instead of four minor lamps <hes> supplied by Lamp Lamp Company for Manchester Fuel really lasted seventy days with sixty seven celebrations six island visits <hes> eight thousand people carrying the torch is starting from lanes and in Cornwall all three days outside the U._K.. When it visited the island man in Dublin in Guernsey in Jersey if focused on national heritage sites <hes> was sporting significance <hes> let's see dumfries in Galloway? Were the only regions in the U._k.. two-headed passer twice in it was actually together with a few different torch torchbearers <hes> so <hes> opening ceremony the opening ceremony began to nine P._M.. A British summertime which is U._T.. Sleepless one <hes> it was called the Isles of wonder who is Danny Boyle and Music Direction by Rick Smith's <hes> open by Elizabeth to sake in with Prince Phillip. It was a second wink again. Games acquainted opened opened <hes> personally I being in nineteen seventy six games in Montreal it included a short comic film with Daniel Craig Queen and Rowan Atkinson as Mr Bean pursue a bunch of performers in closing ceremonies around the twelfth of August <hes> and that's a little bit about <hes> twenty twelve summer Olympics what about paranthan mm premise of for a four wheeled <hes>. What do you call it saying conveyance for children baby train sports but it's also a small <hes> <hes> shallow drought flat bottom ship or a boat with a transom bowel rather than appointed by which makes sense 'cause you don't think grams pointed Kookaburra Kookaburras or kookaburras embarrassing are terrestrial kingfisher's <hes> native to Australia New Guinea which can grow to twenty eight from twenty to forty two centimeters? It's an Onomatopoeia of <hes> <hes> the call Goo Goo Goo Goo Kookaburra allowed distinctive Gov laughing. Kookaburra is a widely used to sound effects in movies for take based in Australia. Let's see there's said rufous bellied Kookaburra is spangled. Kookaburra blue winged Kookaburra laughing Kookaburra and shovel billed Kookaburra Barra as a small forest Rennes. It doesn't look like under any kind of scissor listed as least concerned Australian law does protecting native Birds D- <hes> the famous guests laugh sounds very human. Iran is three mascots in the two thousand Summer Olympics in Sydney. The other was <hes> see see syd the platypus millie inch e Cheetah agenda. There's a famous book the mystery of laughing shadow of course the famous sign which will get into ingenious extent of some facts about the Kookaburra all this is all from wikipedia everything that we've done so far Kookaburra Song Kookaburra era I say Kookaburra also known as Kookaburra sits in the old country so popular Australian nursery rhyme in round about the Kookaburra was by marion sin cool air in nineteen thirty two <hes> who was a music teacher and she had a sudden iteration in church dash on wrote doors sue Kookaburra and entered the sewing a competition run by girl Guide Association of Victoria with the right to win it of the running side to be sold to raise money for the purchase a camping ground is as well known around the world copy Ray said is still under copyright <hes> and <hes> yeah. I think that's about it like I can't sing in the podcast so in a long time ago I read the words to whose mass you Graham Graham was <hes> <hes> and the credits for this episode is a British Shit Television writer also co creator of the Great Show Life on Mars <hes> which came out in two two thousand six. It was actually like a U._S.. Version of a two there's also a spin off ashes to ashes <hes> he's worked on other shows. <hes> bone kickers <hes> a six part drama series about archaeology set in bath and Shit what we like did episode of Eastenders <hes> a C. couple more doctor who episodes Philip K Dick's electric dreams so do just a little bit from wikipedia bat mass you Graham what about Shayne Ward. The shame word looks a little bit like <hes> Rob Sister Her Nino actually in Shayne Ward born in Nineteen eighty-four English singer and actor best known for his role as Aidan Connor in coronation street from two thousand fifteen to twenty eighteen and use a winner of the second series of x factor is debut single came out in two thousand five. That's my goal went to Christmas. In Roman chart was the first x factor winner to release it. Original Song is winner single original song. I mean <hes> is signed on to Siamese cows record label hit platinum in the U K four four x platinum in Ireland also two more hit singles no promises and stand by me also ahead to the follow up album breathless after a little hiatus in twenty ten third album came out of a asserts then we share to go to T._v.. Fame being in I would say definitely easy on the eyes in is shirts open on. What do you call Wikipedia <hes> so now what about Club Med? I don't know like the only thing I knew about called. Many guests was wrong and he thought it was a thing in the eighties as single people used to go to for vacations but it turns out move like looking at this one. It's a private company headquartered in France for premium. All inclusive Halliday's <hes> started in nineteen fifty by Belgian Entrepreneur Jarrar Blitz <hes> it was a low price to summer county of tents and then the first fish first official who have met was built in Italy remember stayed in unlit Straw huts on the beach sharing communal washing facilities <hes> but it's been upgraded in sixty one baron rothschild. Oh visit Ann enjoyed it <hes> they opened a winner villages and Switzerland and Tahiti Mediterranean Caribbean Florida originally tracking many singles in young couples then it became a destination Asian for families in the sixties. 'cause I don't know when I guess when the eighties I thought it was like some really fancy <hes> in the nineties <hes> was too much competition so they went into decline from a holiday village company to a services company. They've tried to change they've had gyms restaurants and clubs. Habitat Strategy was not successful in two thousand fifteen. It was acquired I see what else do you need to know. Villages <hes> shame resorts resorts for everyone in resource for adult only exclusive collection Chink in popular culture the freeze Meta cheap holiday for other. This is like a and then the sex pistols had a song about it too. It was centered in a film codeless bronzes <hes> <hes> <hes> releasing English French Fried Vacation another movie with Jim Carrey and Alan Thicke <hes> Copper Mountain ichoa medic experience was a quasi commercial for the Club Med village at Copper Mountain Colorado nineteen eighty six. Here's a T._v.. Movie Club Med with Linda Hamilton and Jack Scalia so I guess <hes> it gets I still I don't know anything about it. <hes> and maybe maybe there's some other meal I guess to me. There was a different thing that I'm thinking of but I guess you just seems like all inclusive resort. I guess because want somebody copy that and that's when their fortune you know it's so you could just give you free alcohol and food <hes> it gets maybe cruise ships. Were competition okay so this is a website my B. L. U.. P. R. I. N.. T. DOT COM my blueprint. This is by Jesse Olsen. Listen more from November seventeen twenty eighteen in I'll be fair paraphrasing everything you wanted to know about sprinkles in there's tons of stuff. There's round sprinkles non parallels or whatever teeny. teeny tiny balls rainbow of hues nand parral means without equal in French superiore whatever <hes> <hes> so oh really shave their own name for these orbs hundreds and thousands hundred thousands. 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Fist Poo Pt2

Shayne and I Show

34:03 min | 2 months ago

Fist Poo Pt2

"Hey everybody this shane from the tonight. Show just wanted to give a shoutout inker fm. They've made it super easy for us to do this podcast. You're wondering how we were going to distribute it anchor to care that we could record on the phone. Which makes it easy for us. So if you ever wondered about starting a podcast please go to anchor. Fm dot com slash. Start to start your podcast. Hopefully it goes well. Hey there people. We're back right at three weeks shames. My name is back and welcome back to the tonight show. Just give you guys a heads up our podcast now available on apple podcast for you apple people out there. That have been asking us when that's going to happen. That's me. i'm an apple on. Are you honestly. I didn't even. I wasn't even certain this was actually a podcast. I thought maybe we were just hanging out talking ship. Tom microphone talkin. Shit with the microphone. Happened a grand old time. But you know now. It's on apple podcast. Yeah yeah now. We're a big deal get there. It is official man. You are a big deal apple podcasts. And all yeah all right so left you guys who with that cliffhanger. Yes we had to take care about right so we left you guys on a cliffhanger. Last time about fits fu and people have been asking. When are we going to finish the fiscal cliffhanger. Which is weird. Yeah so this is I will also say. I don't always pay very close attention when we reporting these so i don't remember this all remember his for some reason. I'm going to give you the rundown. Yeah all all. I remember is for some reason. After after we reported last time. I had tool stink fists stuck in my head all day. Really yeah and and so. I guess this might soon. So i'm going to refresh your memory. Refresh the memory of the people that are listening. Right now. aren't so again. This is like three weeks ago. Because i just for fun i wanted to attract track play dreams and only once. It's supposed to be like three or four nine. I remember out good. This was a good tree. Yeah let's do this. Yes so a girl says it's this group question. Mark driving someone's car and laughing hysterically Paul walker from fast and furious. I gotta ask you again. Was she driving the car. Where i was driving the car and i would hysterically and it was like one of those fast and furious jobs where it was all lowered. The lights shape. And i was driving downtown. Nevada were like eighty five miles an hour. Nice and paul walker was running next to the car right and he said he looked at me and he said go home. Yeah and then. We stopped the episode right there. So now you gotta analyze all right. Yeah no i gotcha So i think. I i have to ask in the week before this dream happened. Did you watch any of the paul walker fast and furious. No i haven't watched appall paul walker fast and furious movie in a while but i did watch a movie with him in called god. Damn what was that called. The bank heist movie was no no no him. Team and matt dillon. In how do you matt dillon. Susan matt dillon. He he's like a character actor. He's been in all kinds of movies. He was in the outsiders. He played dallas in the outsiders like years ago. Have you ever watching. Outsiders look from the eighties. Yes the outsider sky with the way the sex gang where like like a leather piece in the sax all shirtless. No that's a different. That's the different if you're thinking of statement saying that's what love is okay. So it's patrick swayze your boy. Tom cruise all right So see thomas sowell all right rough. Watch your credit kid. That's cool down. That is that the one whereas like they were a street gang. Yes yes. I'm i'm pretty sure that's one of the sax guy. No no. there's no sex guy. There's a sax day you're thinking of a different movie. Sure i'm thinking he's only for like like three to five seconds. No but it is an epic three to five seconds. No there's no sex. It's based in the nineteen fifties so sack guy and we because the eighties. Were you know no dude. I'm telling you know most fight. You're thinking i know that senior talking about him in a bar with his fucking epic. What's it called mullet. And he has. He has his dress shirts on. And it's on but exploring. I know the movie you're talking about it saying almost fire rob lowe donna. I'm talking about okay. I just googled it. Yes rob lowe is in that yes with the saxophone. I'm talking about the outside. Saint was fired. didn't make any sense. It was one of those eighties movies that people watch and didn't make any sense there. No like part to it was weird anyway back. There may drink still looking it up. I'm still looking up if not any outsiders buddy fine whatever. The guy called pony boy yes. That's the onset. I swear to god sacks guy who was in that one could be when they. There's a scene where they go to a bar after after rough macho and see tom. The salvator mundi. Okay they they got a knife. Am soc one of the you know. Rich kids okay. That's what they call them. Get back then soc right and they went to the bar dallas because he lived on top of the bar scene when they walk into a bar. There's like there's like bay in plane. But i don't think there's a guy in. I watched this movie countless times. It's like one of my favorite is like one of my favorite movies. So what's the movie with the sax guy not saying almost fire. I'm gonna find that. Are you keep talking. Oh there's another one called streets of fire dan stein. How are you going to find out. How are we going to find out where you spend ten minutes. This podcast about finding out who. The sex guy is in one movie in the nineteen eighties. How do you go to school. Like data sack sky from the lost boys. Yeah that's different moving and it's still in the eighties. Our different moving talking about the outside of the lost boys also lost boys about vampire. Yeah corey feldman and corey haim. The guys stood accord moving. Who's kinda bad ass. I actually kinda liked it. I think more. I liked it more because it was filmed at santa cruz. I think maybe the difference is like you saw it when it came out. Yes in theaters and is in two thousand ten on like netflix. Yeah there's a huge difference like into classic to me it's a classic you know watch. Boys is one of those games. It's all in the others. Pretty great eighty million steadily like so anyway my dream so we're on this how we got but i don't either put it's your fault. I'm certain so continue. No are you gotta eight right. So so i'm gonna sympathize cookie recap pretty. You're driving a car driving a faster. Laughing hysterically hysterically. Pretty lady in the passenger seat looks at you says fist poop. Yes and then the guy from fast and furious runs up alongside you. You're eighty in the know like forgotten said. Roll down the window. He does that motion thing while the gas. Okay roll down the window. Ninety right does he point and say go home or does he just say just go home and then you wake up. Yeah okay. No the grossest food one more dynamic. Oh isn't that awesome. Yeah okay. Here's my here's my analysis. You're fr- give me your analysis. Sleep is our brains way of taking out the garbage. Right also i should. I should let you know that. Taking two advil pm. And i always have weird dreams. Just just advil with benadryl in it. Yes so yes okay. So i'm going to get back to this. Sleep is brains way of taken out the garbage rate and all that stuff was just garbage that it accumulated in your brain. Your brain was trying to get rid of it and sometimes you know how like when you're taking out the garbage there'll be a hole in the bag and stuff will fall out on the pathway on your way after the garbage can Those things were the shit that fell out of the bag and so they reabsorbed into your brain and that is what a dream. That's my theory and it doesn't mean anything because freud was just coped up lunatic himself. Yes he was yeah. It's a pretty wild mother theories he had some pretty wild everything and like his most famous student. Carl young you know and everybody was like. Ooh carl young. He fucked all his patients. Who the fuck does that. Yeah yeah we've been. We've been doing this. You know this therapy thing for a while. I think it's time for us to fuck. So i can really on what really gives to issue. Yeah carl young was a fucked up dude man and goes down in history as one of the greats sigmund for dc during that time they can make you said it was for research is just for research like like like like Bill w co founder about trip acid for timothy leary and it was all in the spiritual journey right so back then in their thirties in the twenties thirties. I would have been like the sixties. Yeah but you could always have that excuse of. Oh it's research because nobody's done something like this before and true to them. Nobody slept with pay. Should probably be for young did it. I'm sure plenty of people with With patients before young dead young just the first guy who was like yeah. I sleep with all of them and men and women women. I think everybody man got. Yeah and and he's like but but it's cool because it's for the site science. Yeah and helping them. Yeah that's what. I'm saying that it's sexual healing. Yes groundbreaking beradino. We could see up during the quotes. Air quotes yeah groundbreaking earpiece. And i'm just saying. I'm just saying today if you're a psychiatrist. And your claim to fame is that you fucked all your patients and that and that you had a famous mentor. Who was coquette and smokes. Twenty cigars a day at mommy. She had serious mom issues and just assumed that everybody wanted to fuck their mom. Buddy right yeah look at you and be like maybe shows wrong with this picture. Yeah he did because it was all like that whole thing therapy and all that kind of kind of a new notice you're wearing your school that integration got newer actual yoga was getting shabby right and and my wife cure. She found a new one. An order me to love this shirt so much. It's a great. Yeah anyway yes so yes. I'm gonna throw this there. I think. I think if it weren't for roy and i don't know how people thought he was so great. Somehow people thought he was so great but if it weren't for him and the whole fucking your mother thing. I really think young wouldn't have been able to get away with this because at least when young was fucking all his patients. He's like talking about fucking his mom right and so we can just be okay with this. Great clearly have mommission. Yeah we gotta get down to the root causes. You imagine. Somebody tried to do that day. They fucking lose their license go jail. I'll get that's crazy. Yeah how that never happened. Well chairman urged regard please are regarded young is regarded as one of their four years of fucking psychological therapy. Or whatever the guy was just a fucking pervert and and sex predator. That's that's that's what's a pervert of great quotes and and freud was a pervert. Who had mom she at mom issues and maybe wasn't a sex predator who knows maybe young. Okay okay but he made the perfectly reasonable jump in in logic right because what he did was he tried. This new medicine called cocaine. And he was like i felt kinda crappy that now. I feel great and invincible. This must be the shit in the world. And and i'm going to say this and i want preface it by saying don't do cocaine everybody out there drown yet but if you've ever done cocaine you know it have a little bit like yeah. This is the best ship world. Solve all my problems right now. I need a little bit more right now. Yes experience okay. Good for you know. Good stuff i know. It is what it does to people but but the idea. I think this is my theory anyway. When i was a kid from the time i was like probably i wanna save seven till the time. I was like thirteen or fourteen. Took ritalin and so ritalin just made me kill mom by just normal. Hyperactive kid makes me feel good. Yeah so what i think. It's my theory. Is that what i did. When i tried cocaine. He just made me more just like super riddle. Yeah and i'm just like everybody else was getting whacked out around me and i was like this sucks that the other thing was is there a head what's going a million miles an hour and that's what i hated. I hated i. The only reason. I got loaded when i got loaded. Ahead yeah fucking. I'll tie my head of the thoughts in my head. And i remember when i tried. It continued pounding down jack daniels. I couldn't get drunk enough to shut. My head of uppers won't do is shut your head up and they will also really weird us stocks. They walked. I remember. And i remember the next day and i was like okay. I'm not going to do that again. Because that sucked and i didn't go to sleep until i until three o'clock the next afternoon. Bummer and i did not enjoyable and they never did it again. Didn't whatever i've never. I never got into drugs. I never got into stuff like that. Well it's probably has experience. I might ask because cocaine is the devil. Trust me out of my and it was not not a pretty sight it is but anyway i'm just saying like freud completely reasonable step for a guy you know for the first time and hadn't yet confronted the fact that cocaine the devil that cocaine would solve all his looks great and he was so excited about it. He told everyone. Yeah yeah i get it. I get it there. Expect when they used to put actual cocaine in coca floor to. So i wish i know. Wish they still don't need cocaine in all right so moving on you're gonna move on we. For some reason we got a lot of people really liked the fifth episode. This man so they actually don't believe that you do not pay attention to social networking and you. Don't pay attention youtube and you don't pay attention any of that shit a little attention to youtube but only like It taught me how to like repair. My dishwasher follow people on youtube like that are the other big deals on youtube. That i have no patience for any of that shit so somebody was like. I don't believe. I don't believe max doesn't know anything about social media. That's the world social media so they say social media. Yeah it's a common word. Yeah yeah and so. They sent me five names of people who for you to figure out if you know who they are and one person in a minute we'll give to the burden. It's not by three. Okay find it here. I got into my files while you're doing that. I'm just can watch the little gifts and sex guy. Look that look at that. You're not even him play the city. Forget that i need to forget. Bet you've got the wrong movie. That's a real saxophone player. Really playing the five. If you could tell he slips wall he is. You can't look sick with the saxophone. You can blow. Maybe that's a real sack split. He's a real man. Real real man claim to fame. I don't think he did another movie after that but just look at it. We're talking about the saxophone. Seen in the lost boys go watch lost boys. You know where we talking about other copies. Oh my god so here we go. We're going to start off with one of the most famous. Youtubers do logan paul. I've heard the name. I don't really know who he is or what he does. So what did you. What have you have you. Have you heard the name. I just heard that. He's like a douchebag enemies. Famous for being a dirtbag. That's what i heard. He wasn't douchebag in his twenty. Here's the thing about being in your twenties and being on social media nowadays no really great topic. He did something stupid and everybody does something stupid in broke in their twenties. My whole budget stupid stupid thing after another year. Except we didn't have we were flogging. We weren't on social media. There's no record of it. Yes she's probably a good thing. Think japan and he filmed the rate where people go and commit suicide and somebody. It's famous place where people commit suicide japan and he filmed it. And that seems like a pretty shitty thing to do. Amy and it was like five or six years ago. I think at this point anyway and he apologized for like and people were like. Oh i don't believe it's an apology thing. You gotta you got. He got some shit for a but he changed over the course of ice last few years. It's become like oh. He's used his social media influence to like really good things okay. A podcast called impulsive. I had to do research on this. So i knew was okay. So one of us were talking about Yeah 'cause i don't so he doesn't really good podcast. It's called impulsive on. It's it's it's a video format in audio format even a bike audio Put the us some. They have some really cool gas and he does a lot of really good work really good stuff now but but the thing people remember for still introduced. He's fina a douchebag you said. But i don't know who he is still remember him for being a bag for some yeah. It's really not great. Sports people committee but i mean i stupid things like i've gone like i gone to graveyards stupid things when i was in my twenties difference between like i didn't film it and i wasn't in but see here's what i'm saying is in my twenties. Yeah like you're gonna make mistakes in your hoya like you're gonna you're gonna fuck up the difference between me and you fucking up and people onto convenient fucking up. Is people on social media. Have all these people want to come after him as soon as fucked up record. Yeah and so bringing me to. The second person are david. Gilbert never really gave it dill bulk. Gobert yeah over never heard that. I've never heard any. The closest thing i know is dilbert. He's funny he's funny funny he's like dame domer- like one of the keys like up there in the youtube land in social media land but he has this whole thing about the squad and a. He's gotten in trouble recently already. I'm just bored of david whatever's fucking name. Okay we'll you wanna hear no more about this guy before he got her trouble social Off next please. All right so now. We're going to move into music because the same guy also commented that we talk about the president rather than of the past. And i'm like. I don't really know anything into the president yet. We rarely mentioned music. That was reported. Less than thirty fighters just released an album. They're they're great and they're relevant so yeah but it is it. Is it like when like bruce springsteen releases and album and was like oh yeah. Bruce springsteen was thing but then nobody cares no- their new album just went to number one during the pandemic. Oh but he asked if we knew who direction is in like. I had to do some reading. I gotta admit something. I am a sucker for a good boy. And i don't know why i like maybe during the time when i was growing up or whatever like the visual but i liked listening to like some some big boy bands like backstreet boys. I can shift some day. The truth in school. I had a backstreet boys album. Nobody was around right shit. That's what i would do that with my headphones on by myself the dog show me the meaning of being lonely. That was made of my again gear and then it was like a secret thing. Right now fifty. I don't care. I'll admit it. I like it back. I get like good boy. I i was watching Extra with girlfriend race and And i was like you know what somehow super weird exactly right so he asked me. If i the question was who anybody is one direction and the only person i know in one direction the every styles just because harry stop. Yeah i know. I don't even know any songs. Yeah because he hosted. Snl like even though he did that. Yeah but that's the extent of an and i know that he was in one direction. I can't mean any of the other guys in one direction. I can tell you a couple of the boy. You know. I i know i i couldn't tell you. Bastard poisonings one direction british. Yes and i know the last name everyone of the well. Yeah but the jones brothers everyone joining a third fourth. Jonas brother that's like the youngest one there was off. They got all fucked up because of his brothers fan. I would be a little fucked up to of all. My brothers were like super famous sex symbols. And i was just the the piece of shit. They left indy. Gipp andy fucking into give us wondering when did it. bg's brothers. Oh yeah see. I know the name of some of the bgn. I know the last name. I just watch this documentary on. Hbo next it's phenomenal. If you get a chance to watch it but it talks about their whole history and all that stuff and you forget all the great songs they wrote. It's another thing. I'm willing to come out about this big coming out. I think coming out party. I mean huge beatty's fan. I love the school man beaches. Good like i'm not just a metal guard. You know what. I mean at some point when you realize like music doesn't have to cool. Sometimes it can just feel good my ultimate my alternate one though ultimately guilty pleasure ban. It's holding up. I get it man. What's that that one song. Bout amid earlier ship is odd. Like sarah smiles all all the earlier stuff. That's my jam right back in one direction. I can't mean a guy in the band besides her your mispronouncing. It's one direction. Because they're printing. Yes they direction so in other modern music. I'm not really up on the other. Modern music. sorry to the guy that wrote the letter. Like i can't tell you. Mike i can tell you. New metal bands like trivia magog. I mean damn. I i know of also maybe somebody was asking me. What are you oughta grinding. And i was like what's in our garage one day. I don't know who she is. She's a singer. She's one of the biggest panthers world man. Millie and she she. She's got a set of pipes. Man our voices so good for voice over ip. I've never never liked. Never come on raider. Yeah well just just like google. Google i guess but her voice asuka and then you got taylor swift who tiered swift at okay like lover hater like she is out some awesome stuff for voice nothing special but she's busy rates about breakup. There's a lot of that and then cardi b. getaway khor. I don't make the what big prep. I don't actually know much. I don't know that little thing. She does yeah. She had the watson right. And i never found that people are making a big deal about it and i actually heard the song. Her thirty thirty five seconds turned it off. Because i was just like this is just horrible. Like why did i know what you started about. I get it but it's just you can't even her voice so filtered. You're just like oh my god. That's awful dig. Some taylor swift. Because she writes she writes a lot of her own stuff. And i could respect that. Yeah that's like the big thing. Do they right there. And i know like the back. Three boys didn't write a lot of their own shape. But god damn they wrote the condamne. The backstreet boys are just back there. So fucking to the baxter. Yes man the love that shit and don't get me started on justin timberlake that man justin timberlake update. I'm not a huge fan of justin timberlake eighteen limit. I i just. I just don't see i just don't get it. Do you got to listen to the first justin timberlake's solo record many understand like bringing sexy yet. Are you gotta listen to the whole out. Okay do that one of these days. Yeah he's just the reason i yeah. I like a good. Jt song been seen. Yeah i never got into insinger either. my my wife really liked in sync the backstreet boys. I leave establish roasted for talking about the inside. Any dude out there. They probably have. They probably have a secret thing boy band day like. Oh yeah oh yeah. Current crappy one like ninety eight degrees to say who is just about to say that. So yeah it'd be there. Is this whole thing. I watched on on that guy. Lou pearlman that severed all those guys and put all those bands together. That guy was a sneak believe it. He had a ponzi scheme like he had the biggest ponzi scheme in the in the country. He got he was like he would use the boy bands as to get people to investments ponzi game. There's a documentary on him to should watch into you so okay. I'll off to do that. Yeah it's really good. So yeah the end is that we enter that guy's question. I mean who else. What else is in the popular other sites off like i said i mentioned middle beans and fighters damned the lamb of god records. Good check them out if you're if you need a new ban. The new trivia records really good. Here's a bunch of metal band. I like that. are you know. Got into for a minute. L. king who l. king. I don't know that it's sheet rock and roll. Oh i have nothing. She is into a firm. And then i was like yeah borderless. Now yes he. September just sounds seen established. It's an sounds the theme. And so yeah i i think i think we're you know we're at that half an hour point this good. So we're gonna the episode here. Yeah hope you guys enjoyed it. Made me learn something about freud. Maybe you learn something about young. Maybe you learn something about me coming out as backstreet boys fan and here's something to think about moving forward with all you people out there listening. Whatever happened to jessica simpson. She's mary and has a couple of kids now. She still looks for her good for her but she's always famous for the star kids his tune chicken and a conference. I have no idea what that is really. It was some kind of dolphin thing. It was some kind of how did he put chickens in the c common. Okay and make chain yeah anyway. That is our episode. Hope you guys like Even say commonsense female age email dot come. Obviously we answer them on our podcast. So yeah you know send us an email shooting. Dm on the instagram. And if you're like hey man. Whatever happened to like an riquet iglesias. We could figure that out to figure it out and maybe you know we'll be back in three weeks and we might have guessed. I guess aghast at one. Yes we're going to interview somebody so you wanna tune in for that. Yeah so that'll be neat. better episode. Hope you guys like dave until next time america. Don't shit yourself yup.

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TheDirty.com's Nik Richie - Tells All, Britney, RHONY in Trouble

Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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TheDirty.com's Nik Richie - Tells All, Britney, RHONY in Trouble

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You'll be adapted at texted back one tap or three hand up. Mcdonald's hello and welcome to juicy scoop. I have a very juicy interview with nick ritchie. Who one time ran an owned the dirty. He's going through his own dirty juicy story right now which i will get into get into everything but first let me just update you on some things that are going on. Drake bell has gotten his sentence. It is two years probation. Only his victim did speak out at the sentencing. And it's we still don't really know what happened. But what i got is that he was touring high schools. He got this girl's number and he started communicate with her groomed. Her and at one point did in fact send photos of his genitalia. Which is what i think. They had evidence of because one time he said this isn't true or anything and then he eventually did a plea deal so he said very sorry. The judge you know was very firm with him and then the victims spoke about. She is now. I think she's nineteen but how it affected her how her parents spent over seven thousand dollars on therapy. I don't know if she's going to go after him. For a civil case but I mean it's very bad. He started pursuing her. I think as young as thirteen or fifteen either way. It doesn't matter very disturbing. He says he's learned his less than he's ever gonna do it again. And he hopes to go back his attorney said and we hope sued he. This'll be behind him and he can go back performing and entertaining people around the world like you always has and That is drake bell from drake and josh I of course met him. When i guess start on the show He did surprise the world that with Photos of him and disneyland with a child. And everyone's like what is this about. And then he later said. Oh yeah i got married like a couple of years ago and i have a one year old social really weird that that wasn't part of his sharing with the world makes you kind of wonder why that was a secret. I don't know why In other news there was a lot of stories on all the bravo instagram posts And i guess there was a raider online article. That said ramona with a very good source that they are planning on not renewing ramona singers contract of the real house of new york because You know the show's going in different direction. And she's just too problematic and she really doesn't want to change. And i was very i was like I just don't know if that's true today. There's more articles saying no. It's not true however there is going to be a big cast shakeup and okay. So what we're just gonna let go of all the people because one of the reasons is as you guys should know by now. The money is not good. In fact we talk about real housewives of o see with nick ritchie. My guest with the money is not good the first couple years. It only gets good after like year. Four or five and it gets really good when you're like your ten Tamer and vicky were making a lot of money they let them go And now ramona. Being will be one of is the most senior real housewife among all the franchises. And of course. I love doing impersonations of her and i find her very entertaining lover hater. She's very entertaining. Never gets old. It's not a schtick. I don't feel like she's acting And so i would pretty pretty sad if she was let go and And also i just don't think it should be about age or anything i mean. She looks great. She's dating a lotta kinds. She has stuff going on. So i don't know i don't like that you know. Are we going to one day. Be like well. Andy cohen is. Maybe he's not yet youthful enough for the bravo network. I mean what the hell so eight also made people nervous even people that didn't like ramona. They're like okay. Good let's on your shine but then it's like well. Sonia fifty seven the next on the chopping block. What it just we will talk about this forever and ever about. What is the philosophy what works. What doesn't why are the ratings. Low is to political is because we've got girls in their thirties and women in their late fifties early sixties. And it just doesn't match should almost be two different shows. I don't know. But the all-star show is round the corner on the peacock network. So i think that one will not disappoint. And also you're going to see like a beautiful setting there in the bahamas. It'll be fun. Sad news for naomi from southern charm. Naomi was the girlfriend to craig the pillow maker guy. She fell in love with this. Dr name mma tool and she loved the show and moved with him to new york and it all came out yesterday and she posted on her instagram. Thad crying photo of her with her cat. Who is also died And she said. This is just devastating. Basically i understand that. She moved to new york with And just found out that her boyfriend live in boyfriend was in contact and seeing his ex girlfriend for the past year so she broke up with them. She's back and everybody's wondering is she gonna join southern charm again. Meanwhile craig her ex live in boyfriend. Who's on the show is doing summer house and seems to be hanging out with the girl page a lot. So but very sad. When you find out someone that you trust it in loved and plan on spending rest of your life with is cheating demi gelato. As justin martindale likes to refer to her she said in a statement she said you know when i became when i announced that i am non by binary of it i go by the them and there she said even i mess up pronouns about myself so i'm even having a hard time remembering how to use the pronouns that now describe the way i now identify as so i'm not going to be that mean to people that also mispronounce. My pronouns are pronouns. I guess is what she should say. I don't know anyway. That's nice of her The aclu is filing some type of I don't know if it's a lawsuit. But they're they're making a filing Insisting that britney is in a position to hire her own attorney so that's one good thing. The aclu is doing not one good thing but it's a little controversial. Just look it up. They're not always in my opinion doing the right thing. But in this case sure britney. Let's let's just find out we get into. What what nick thinks. Britney too so. Let me tell you about the nick interview that you're about to hear He is going through a very contentious divorce in which children are involved and he reveals a lot about his marriage is What he went through. What's been happening now. And it is all his opinion. I definitely challenge him on it. And like i said we are gonna get his ex wife to be Shane law mrs Either she's gonna come on or give a statement or something. But i been in contact with her. I told him that as well that i want to get her side so but besides that he talks about how his controversial website the dirty got started. The lawsuits His his interviewing for real housewives both see and so much more and it's very very juicy and always a little bit funny to even when it's dark so here we go with my interview with the polarizing nick ritchie. Hello and welcome to juicy scoop you guys. I've got a controversial guy here. Betty of you very excited. Many of you are like heather. Don't you know what he did when he ran the dirty nick ritchie. Thank you for driving down from the occ to the woodland hills. Jesus headquarters welcome. Thank you for having me other. How are you i am. I mean. there's a lot of juicy scoop to ask about your life your business or personal life your transformation first of all nick ritchie is not your your birth given name correct but lows name is human caribbean. And where did you grow up. I grew up. I was born in hackensack. New jersey. And i was there till i was probably about two and a half and then my parents relocated to orange county california and i grew up in orange county for most of my life And then yeah. And then i moved to scottsdale for a little bit in arizona chasing a beautiful woman girl her girl and then but also how old were you. When you left the scottsdale. I was like twenty one. Did you go to college. Yeah so i went to Rhode island's for a little bit try to Play soccer out there. And and what school out there and then i transferred to cal state. Fullerton 'cause i couldn't deal with the weather the weather. Yeah see. that's what. I tell everybody as someone who's born and raising california myself i went to usc. And i was raised here and before my kids got to be you know college age. I noticed that that was such a trend. These california kids are like especially southern. California are like. I want to get out of the east coast and they just cannot handle the weather. I loved it the like for year. But yeah just it's hard if you're not kidding and you're going to the east coast and trying to play sports in the mud. It's not it's not fun at all but then went to cal. State fullerton Sigma pi became president of my frat partied all the time and dropped out of there and decided that you know i wanted to pursue a business and make money and then i went on this tangent of trying to be something Popular guess when i went out to scottsdale i was. I got into banking got into credit card processing and that was making a lot of money back then This was like two thousand and two thousand and one thousand two time and then But yeah but and then fast forward to today. i'm. I'm continuing education. Harvard so just trying to keep my mind going. So how did the jury begin so you move to scottsdale your with your girlfriend when and how did that come about because was all obviously early internet days. What year was that. What gave you the idea to go. Oh you know how did it all come about. I'll be honest with you at the time reality. Tv started really taking off their survivor and then also real housewives. Orange county Which you know was from that neighborhood my parents. My parents living coated a causa coda causing fascinated. As i was from the moment. I saw the ad that they were going to do. A show about that in star magazine at the ralph's that were naked ventura. I was like holy shit. They're holding oranges just like the girls. Were holding the desperate housewives. Apples what were they holding. Cherries thing anyway. The scripted show. I was like march march. Cherry scripted show. I was like this is so brilliant. I'm going to watch every episode. I was fascinated and the way they did that in the beginning was so like old school. Pbs documentary it wasn't what it is now at all. It was just like following these families. Remember at the time the. Oc there was a television show with me. Shah there was that you back off of that sues was like the big thing and really really orange county on the map so that show was amazing. The cast was hot. yeah just sold it perfectly. it's exactly what it was right So yeah so. I was the big in my mind i was like. Wow you know reality. tv's really starting to blow up. no one done reality internet So my whole thing was with my buddies. It was kind of joking around. I started a website called dirty scottsdale dot com And since scottsdale at that time was to me the dubai of america like he said most undiscovered untapped jam of the world. Nobody knew about it. And and i was just in shock. The beverly hills like of arizona. I've heard all the different things i have been. There spent a lotta time there. Because i always do in scottsdale. When do the tempe improv. And i do love it like it is beautiful beautiful houses. I ride my bike around those big flat. Properties are like you know so the scene and the money and yeah and for twenty something year old kid to see genetically like just beautiful women and plastic surgery and like everything was just in you golf and you just it was. You're on vacation. It wasn't real life right. You're in this bubble where you could have thirty thousand dollars. You can make thirty thousand dollars a year. I call it thirty k. Millionaires so i started pointing all these phrases and trying to a great life. Oh you're a millionaire billionaire and you're going to the clubs you're living off overdraft protection like everything you were you were just life was amazing. Yeah and you'd go out every weekend. Friday saturday and even thursday nights even sunday nights industry nights and everyone was perfect. And then you had that crop of issue kids that come into the nightclubs going good luck and yeah. It was just constant botchy and i thought wow like wise. No one discovered this place. Yeah so i started dirty. Scott still dot com and wha- byrol because i would find these girls or people in the industry Hospitality and nightclub in jars of the popular kids club crowd and i would make them their own paris hilton's like i literally would take and at the time press hilton just started. My space was big. And i was like okay. Well maybe i should be the alter ego and go with nick. Ritchie nicole richie to press you. Got the news okay. So when did you tell your friends. Start calling me nick. Instead of real name didn't so what i wanted to do. And i never wanted to be popular because i was always in. Fear of like hayes is legal or not yeah So i was underground. No one really knew who. I was but i went by nick ritchie and we called it civilian paparazzi. So people could use their cell phones. Take pictures semi email. Submissions of the gist of it. Like a like okay juicy scoop. This girl's dating this guy but she went down this guy at the nightclub bathroom and they have a photo of it like what i never really followed the dirty so i don't really understand what it was i think it was honestly My version of the bathroom wall where you can call out your neighbor. Call your friend. It was kind of like yelp for real people. Okay so if you had someone that was scamming somebody you would submit to me if you had like a dirty john like if you were dating a dirty and he took my money and this was like that was a way to to grab bad guys but it was also a way to like a out a gold digger or a hooker light or whatever yes. I think that's where you've gotten a lot of the criticism is that a lot of people really felt it was predominantly a slut shaming site I feel like it turned into evolved into that because of the easiest way and it got so popular so big you have to understand. I had ten million people coming to that site like it wasn't for me. Every day was a learning experience. And i kinda guided the ship of where i thought the traffic was coming in But it it evolved from scottsdale to three hundred and thirty markets. So i eventually had to make it one hub site which was the dirty But it got to australia. Got to canada canada's massive And would they have to like submit something and then you'd have to approve it or or or say no or so. I get thousands of submissions. And i would kinda choose. Pick and choose what i liked and what i thought was Approving or disapproving or did you have a team. I had a team that would pre filter but then the final say was well. I would write my little two cents. Yeah and we don't usually be the funny south the funny stuff sarcastic. I'm very sarcastic. Yeah yeah so but at that time you know it was different like you can be. You can get away with a lot more than you can. Now yeah and i got out at the perfect time because it was. I'm not gonna lie. Like i called chicks fat. You know what. I mean. Like i was i was hardcore. I was aggressive But i always true to myself. And whatever i thought i i wrote i wrote down and published and a lot of people would say. Hey this is what. I'm thinking but i just can't say it and it's like that was that type of humor. Yeah but i also coined a lot of massive phrases. That went viral. I was. I was the person who invented thigh gap so fi gap was. I just wanna shirt. I'm the person who admitted psych up. Because i didn't know that. I thought i would have come from girl. I did not nick. I did not know that and congrats. I don't know if it's congrats. But i mean sometimes. That's the only gap you've got you know. Go on so we called it. It inner thigh gap so that was the thing to. I will get millions of submissions from women. All over the world. Asking nick ritchie. What to fix about their body. So i would literally post it and be like. Hey you need to do this or you're you're to procedures away from greatness. There was things. I would say that you know. Today i look back. And i'd be like okay. That was kind mean. Yeah you know but at the same time it was honest. So i think for me personally. it's just being true authentic to myself and not changing and that's or a man happy earth month. Nothing says i care about the planet more than shopping at threat up an online thrift and simon store with access to over thirty five thousand brands all up to ninety percent of estimated retail value. Did you know thrifty just one item instead of new save. An average of seventy seven gallons of water and seventeen pounds of carbon emissions. gets better. now you can get an extra thirty percent off your first order at threat. Up dot com slash. Choose the shop brands for women's or kids clothing handbags shoes and more and get insane deals of thrift. With the convenience of online shopping you can score zara and nike from six dollars or j. crew from nine dollars. 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Thank you He's drinking out of my cup. Okay so just like girls gone wild. There were girls that would see joe francis at a miami beach and died and beyond the show and lift up their shirt and how fun and be so excited that they're part of this phenomenon and then there were other girls later on. That were really. You know obviously weren't happy that they were in. It said they were coerced. Whatever there were two sides to it and that's kind of the same thing like you said people like girls themselves wanted to be featured on the site as well as people outing people that were then criticized on the site correct. So i love joe joe france. I are probably not set best friends but really close friends. We talk a lot and we're going through similar things at the time right now. He's going through divorce and you're going through well. He's officially married but psycho. It's considered marriage after five years and and you are going through a divorce which i have questions about later but continue so him and i are are we were like minded in ways from a business perspective But it's the same thing you know. I've been sued over fifty times of fifty and now i'm pretty proud of that Like i told you want everyone. Yeah and In for me you know. The legal process Was something that. I enjoyed because it was bigger than getting picture of hot chick. It was learning about our system and learning about what i can do learning about the communications decency act. Which is the law. That i pretty much survived off of And i have a case law. I i had a major massive lawsuit that got to the ninth circuit court and i won and just explain that. It's it's just in layman's terms. It was about. Because i heard a little bit about it on another interview and it was really interesting. So how it works is what people don't understand the dirty as bad as it was so different from facebook so different from youtube from yelp. It's so different from google. So what the cd does and what it did is it. Protects third party Websites from being liable will protect website owners from being liable for third party content. Which means if had they're sending me something it's not. It's not my fault that whoever you wrote about. I don't know who they are. I have no idea who these millions of people are. But people just assumed that i know joe schmo next door so i would get sued. So they would say. Hey we'll since your editor it's your fault I'm going to sue you for fifty million dollars Joe's business miles a little bit different. But obviously you know he made girl sign different waivers. We had the same thing you know. We are check boxes where you're basically saying that you know you own the rights the content when you submit something so i always got out of it from a legal perspective and then i you know of see tried to go for legal fees and made money that way as well But it's very complicated on on a grander picture. Because it's a very. It's a free speech topic. How many times did you have. You ever be in court with like an eleven jury twice really in kentucky who's nightmare. How like how was that. What was that story. Will you have to understand when you're in a place like kentucky And you the judge is really old and the jury's older women and their white and i'm you know persian armenian so it's like the other lawyer which just called me a terrorist and for you can't you can't strike the. Yeah so they had their perception of what i was but in the end we won at higher court. But it's it's not a now. It's offering explained what the story was. Why the people were mad that you were sharing their this information. So there was this cheerleader. Who's the bengals cheerleader and Like a professional football Correct and i said why are all teachers freaks in the sack. That's what i wrote. She was also schoolteacher. Who slept with her student. Okay and other students were submitting her saying. Hey she's sleeping with her students and she did the whole cry thing on anderson cooper went on twenty twenty when all these talks nine and she was sleeping with and made me look like biggest jerk of the low at this point. No no one was arrested. No no actual victim was saying. I'm the person she's sleeping with enough. At the whole school knew the rumors and that was the information that you're sharing correct. I don't know if it was cincinnati. Pd yudo is kentucky pd A private detective finally pulled the tax records from her. This was during the second trial In the in the middle of the trial and They found the most vulgar. Like i can't believe you know. I can't repeat. It was just so hard core the tax that she was writing to a male high school student while she was in the limo. Goin- enersen cooper sitting there saying like. I can't believe i miss you so much. I want to have what we did the other night. And i can't if i showed you these tax you die like they were sober so so crazy. They were so bad. That the judge said the techs are too vulgar for me to show the jury and i lost. I lost and i had appeal. You okay so because she was never arrested was arrested. She was arrested for felony for pedophilia. And what happened with her her actual case her criminal case who went to jail for a little bit and then she bailed out and then i don't i. I never followed up with civilians. You're like i don't care about these people right. So but the thing is is that now she appearing in court to during that job her mom mom so mean to me like it was it was brutal. I think it's so weird if you were ever in like a jury trial that then it's like okay. We're gonna lunch break for lunch. And then you like. See the other side in the bathroom or at the place to get a chinese chicken. Salad is just like so. I always thought about the during the oj. Trial like how weird that. Marcia clark is like getting her chicken. Caesar salad next to like you know funny. You say that because there was. Oj one pizza restaurant around the corner from his court courthouse and we were literally in one booth and they would being the other booth right across. It was so weird and all her friends and all but but the crazy part is is like what people don't understand like how important this case was is that if i would have lost there would be no facebook. There would be no youtube. There'd be nothing because and the in all these websites came to my aid all their lawyers came and they all fought for me. Like if you lose all knicks scumbag but we have no choice. Yeah so they all jumped in. They must have spent at least a million dollars just trying to save me. It was crazy. That's really interesting. What year was that all this. I want to two thousand in two thousand eleven. So what's your opinion of. What's going on in the world now with the britney spears because i feel like you must have been in the thick of all of that gossip and tmz and her conservatorship and freaking out with the umbrella and today i think you know. Obviously she's medicated. Like when the world knows that We don't know exactly the other side of the story. So i don't wanna be here and be like hey freebritney freebritney even though it's the trendy thing to do But there has to be a cause and we're seeing the fact that will why. Why did it get to. This is needed to blame. I don't think so. I think you know it helped media help the situation for her father to entrap her mom but i i have to hear the father side like a half to hear the take of it. Because i don't know how deep britney's demons go and just nobody does yeah Obviously we've seen the meltdowns. We've seen everything over the history of stuff and then we haven't seen any meltdowns in like you know. Thirteen years a medicated. So like oh you know but don't you think at one point someone who's medicaid because a lot of people are medicated in this world of people have conservative ships that you know so that that someone doesn't take advantage of their money like even just like a simple man that might have a trust fund. Maybe his sister you know so that he does he get taken by some dumb scam but he's still able to drive a car. Have a job go to a party. But maybe he can't give a friend ten thousand dollars. You know that that's kind of where i'm like. That's where it should be more adjusted that she can like go on trips get married have a baby but like the money she can't be you know So that she doesn't wake up one day and is penniless. You know she will be i if they give her that money. That money will be gone in check. That's your that's nikki. Rich prediction one hundred percent. Okay the guy that she's with the the people zhang's round like there's no. There's no chance that she wouldn't be taken advantage of short. She already is taking advantage of buyer family but there must be some bigger reason for it. I think over time They're probably be more leniency. For and maybe she'll she'll be old enough and mature enough to do certain things. But i still heather. I see these videos now. I see the way she talks. And i see your actions. And it's like i'm living with someone else right now And it's a scary. You know any e don't know you don't know what the right answer is. And i i don't i don't want to say like i don't want to come here and be like hey freebritney because i've see people holding size and doing this and it just like it's just another movement is just another movement that were just were so bored. We need to have something new and fresh. I'm starting. I'm very confused. You know because now we it's been proven that yes. She has a social media. Team that has admitted. Yes we we you know. It goes through us before it gets posted but then there's other things that are no. She posted this one. No she doesn't and then so just the other day she posted a really nice picture of she and the boyfriend on a hike and she looks good helix cute and she writes like Doesn't look like a dad or something so everyone's like yay. Does this mean you're on your way to get your. Ud removed will then the hard core internet internet sluice who i love realized that that same pitcher sam posted back on valentine's day and he also so the someone the company posted this with that cop a caption or and he actually like liked. It made a comment so he now. I'm like wait a minute. I thought he was the hero now. Is he in on an. I'm starting to veggies. Cooper's today's a tuesday show. I'm like i want her to be well. But i'm starting to get like exhausted by it like i can't keep up. I don't know what's real and what's not. And then they show her spinning just wearing red spinning and unlike they're showing her look in arabic and spinning because on july twenty third. She's gonna have a chance to speak again. And i'm like are they posting the more erotic erratic behavior so that then people go why. She spinning in sweating and get but that same spinning video. That could have been from two years ago. Such a waste of time and energy agree. So let's move on okay so you win your case. It's two thousand eleven. Which is the year that you met shayne lamas your now wife that you are divorced. Better your two thousand okay. Oh then where is the story that you knew each other for eight hours and then you got married in vegas. That's where i met her. I met her. So let me give you back story. Because i've been thinking about this kind of like going through my mind of how i got here because it's not where i wanted to get to So before i met shane i was dating. Ashley's arlen who is that. Ashley's arslan is laurie. Peterson's daughter oh from from the real house. seo see well. i remember her okay. So she's gorgeous. Beautiful is Crepe person but i felt like in that relationship i was. I was in a place in my life where i wanted to settle down and not be that party kid and I was just having too much fun. I thought okay you know. Starting to make money. I need to have a partner in orange. County is where. I wanna be So i started seeing ashley and It just i think. I think it was my fault. A little too aggressive. I fell in love with her too quick. And i told her that i think it kinda pushed her away. But we were kinda not on the outs but it was just it was just a weird relationship But i do remember texting her from vegas right after at chain saying like hey You know such a douche bag move. And i just broke up with her via taxed. Did you say because. I met say that i just said. Hey you know. This isn't working. I don't remember the exact words i go. This isn't working. I don't wanna do anymore This is at an. You could buy whatever i said. Some probably dumb drunk. How how quickly after meaning shane. Did you write that text talking like an hour at the bar or what see. Meet shane at a bar. Where oreo i'm at the venetian okay. And you're with people. She's with people know she was by herself. She came for her her Stepmother shauna sand's daughter's cheerleading competition. Okay and My buddy reason to be there like a family reason. I was walking back from the pool in a robe in you know as a mess. And i saw her at the bar and my buddies like. Hey and there's this blonde brought. I want you to meet her. My buddy lonnie moore and He he wasn't. He was at the table so i just assumed that this was the girl so i wanted to the bar introduce myself. She thought it was a complete loser and You were okay. And i know she was either okay. So for people that don't now shayne lamas daughter of a eighties. Ninety star lorenzo lamas she also was on the bachelor and became the bachelorette around season twelve which. I don't even know what we're in. But that was like a solid like twelve thirteen years ago and and so now. She's at the bar in two thousand eleven in you approach continue so i approached her and Something something about her. She was beautiful obviously But there was something about her. That intrigued me and I asked. I gave her my number. And i said hey like you know you're not doing anything. I'd like to take you out to dinner tonight. Meanwhile i did have sixteen girls with me at the time. Why why what was hosting tau beach. Oh so at this time. You're doing a lot of that. Like scott disick kardashian. Come to the nightclub which has been my dream like. I have to go five shows in city doing stand for an hour and a half which i love meeting people and i've always been. When can i just go to a nightclub. Sit at a bar with my friends. Sit at a booth industry good liquor and then go to the and pop a bottle of champagne. Abi what's up motherfucker and then that's it. That's what you got to do. So yeah so i called it. I was pretty much a white tiger. So you show up like the barrage white tiger killed. What's the dave. So i show up. You know six pretty much where you describe jealous and they pay you twenty five grand two hours and you get out of there and then you invite a bunch of girls because who doesn't want to go and be the vip booth in how fun for a vegas free weekend. When you're twenty five and only owned bikinis so randomly we can. I had i went to. Asu and pick the top sixteen. The top sixteen. Yeah and i put them in a hummer limo. And i shipped them to vegas so so that was. Yeah so imagine. Imagine me go on. I was trying to maneuver Sixteen girls to another table to have dinner. Allow shalish shane. And then of course my buddy friends are like what are you doing. Just all these girls here on micom try to have a dinner with The owner of the club. Jason strauss was with me and he was like doubleday. And i'm like dude. I'm into this check. I think you know. I think i wanna dater And then i send the text. I sent the text ashley breaking up with her bringing up with her case. Now you have the dinner you go to the nightclub parnell you skip your obligation the obligation. Okay we went out. We went to the nightclub part Ray the champagne. We tried to get married. But you can't get married in vegas after wendy. You say after spray the champagne. And after you've had like a spicy tuna roll at how do you think you know what sounds like a great idea. I was just over it over. What house over the chicks. I was over the bottles over legos over all these. I was oversleeping with women. I'm over it. So what i'm gonna do is sleep with mary a woman that i have not had sex with that. I don't know anything about true. I slept with her first between the sushi. Roll and the spraying. The champagne had to make sure. Where did you guys go to bone in my room in the nation so you had enough time between the lovely dinner with the asu girls waving from another booth. You're like be right-back gamified. Or whatever from. I hope they were not. They were not happy because they had a wager. Who's going to hook up with me too. And i didn't know what a wager. What does that mean girl was going to wager. They were betting vegas. Okay god okay so you go upstairs you guys have sex and then you're like now i definitely know i want to spend their life with you pretty much and you know were you aware that Not that this should really matter when you're deciding to marry someone within hours that her dad was divorced like five times was i didn't know she was okay. I didn't know anything was going on till honestly was a fog. Actually i was so and what was obsessed with this. This person that i didn't care. I didn't know who she was. I didn't know she. She had a show at the time. She was on e. She had that lead to llamas show. She had leave it to lamas right. that Okay so then she and she and you say as you're in the elevator going down after the bone to go now spray your champagne collector twenty five grand and waved to the girls you say. I think i'd like to get married after. I spray the champagne. Would you like to do that. And she's like yes not exactly. I like those weren't the words so k. but yeah we made out in in the club and we hope top and and i said hey. I'm like if you're down at married still. I wanna get married still. Yeah what do you mean. Could you ask a couple hours prior within the club. You always okay. So and she's like yes she already had. It like looked up on google. The whole thing like what where she had the little white wedding chapel renee. Did we had the michael jordan package for five ninety nine free. Dvd tuxedo t shirts. The rings again was she had all dialed in okay. So i started of a red flag. Okay but okay. So it's not a red flag. You decide which place to go. And what time are you going now as soon as it opened like seven. Am or ten am. Yeah by the time we got married. It was like i can ask today. I'm like a nice brunch wedding. And did she have an outfit to wear No but she was. She kind of puts them together. She wore all white. And yeah part of the package you got like a veil okay and then how many friends came to witness. Everyone that was still awake. Did any of the issue girls go. Okay there were happy okay. So then was crazy though. Yeah as we were as we were getting their taylor. Swift was attending someone else's wedding right before it was the weirdest thing. Then i thought i was tripping out like all meant to be just scott telling me and my was there and he's like you know like nick don't stress like this doesn't work out. I just can't annulment like who cares threatening debt with jason alexander. But i didn't. I was looking for like you know below you were. Yeah so you're like why not okay and then how do you tell your parents. Are your parents still together. Yeah my parents married forever Forty years something like something crazy. Yeah well obviously forty years some forty one. So they've been together for a long time so sorry mom should know that and Stay found out through everyone else. They found out the media on. Tv was on the news all over the channel. Mary's the dirty guy. That's how pissed i was. Maybe i didn't get a namedrop. do you ever hear back from ashley. When she woke up immediately blocked new never talked again. And so so then you get back to the oc. And where is she living at that. Time who ashley know your new wife. She was living in. Malibu allegedly okay. And i was still in scottsdale. I literally said hey like the media circus is getting a little too crazy. You need to come to scottsdale. Because she was like you know flying home teams us all over the place and like recording her and she's like and they're asking questions she doesn't know my real name. She doesn't know any can show where this was actually part of her storyline or it was that ad concluded. The middle of this was real love. Had it concluded the filming in which this wasn't then feature no wasn't featured okay. I didn't i didn't do anything like it wasn't for that right But then when i realized who she was and then i had an appearance of washington lorenzo lamas and the bachelorette and then that i was. I remember hose on a treadmill in washington. Dc had to do another parents out there and I was watching. Tv and these roll up on the renzo. Like oh my god. that's the guy and He was pissed. You know he's like daughter me whatever and then And then. I invited him scottsdale invited. I've i brought her out scottsdale She really didn't have anything so There were so many red flags. I look back now and i'm just like ghadames you know what was i doing. What was i thinking. And what were some of the red flags that the data had been married so many times or or what that bother me. Because i've always i mean don't you think she could say about you. There were some red flags hundred. The guy married had twelve girls. From asu with yeah. So i mean. I think it was probably a flag parade surrounding you guys. It definitely worse than gay pride. If i don't know if i can say that Love gay people shout matter richard. I love you but no but yeah no i. I think both of us were in a place where i think she wanted someone. That was kind of like her dad. You know very very headstrong very In love with himself. You know. Like i knew i would say at that point in my life. I was pretty confident in myself. And what i brought to the table And and i don't think that was because of I felt about myself. I just felt like i'd such strong audience. Such a strong. That worshiped everything that i did that. Got to me So yeah it's just sad. I look back into now. i'm just i'm just. It's really sad that that it didn't work out because you were together for eleven years you have two children You know. I've been following. You guys your kids are adorable so there like school age elementary age children and you she gets pregnant with your daughter first and then she had a very serious thing happened when she was pregnant. With your second child who you guys loss correct and so this was really interesting in that. Lorenzo's is that his fourth wife that was also named shamed her shamanov. Sean okay. He was named shawna she who i believe she was. She also featured on an e show called second. Wise club was at a different. Okay so and she Is the surrogate for you. Guys sean craig was a surrogate. So kurt step. Mom carried your second child for you guys but the child's biological leap both of your okay. So how did that come about and how do you. How does this someone offer do they ask. I mean it's not that unusual. There are graham mothers that carry their daughters babies that they're physically ok to carry them. I mean they're sisters. Do it for each other. I mean who happen was shauna. Craig was working at a certain place. Fertility clinic So she knew that business okay and at the time. Shane was in the hospital. And i see you. You know just on a breathing machine. What has so. What was her operate. What happened her. Something burst or though the child into The uterus armed grew into the the pancreas or the liver parts of the liver very scary so she died. She literally died she. I remember i remember the doctor coming out with blood all over him and coming into me in the in the waiting room and telling me like hey. You need to prepare for the worst. Like it's touching go right now and i'm like what what is going on like. We just came in here and you know and then they came to me like hey. You need to make a decision. Do you want the child or the wife in a cycle as your wife not gonna make it. She's lost like sixteen. How far along wishy. I think sixteen weeks you couldn't say yeah so so they would choose that but you know i'm saying it wasn't like the baby was eight and a half months old. The baby was like because they may is a religious hospital mysterio awesome. Yeah so they made me like take care of like hold the child and signed the death certificate. Name that name the child. It was probably the hardest thing i've ever done in my life And i had to do all my own which sucked. I felt like i did in my marriage. A lot was a lot of my own. That could have been on her own. She's on the death she's on the no. I understand that part but like there's been a lot of things that that you know. I look back now and like hanging out with my kids and the distance was always there And it's just sad for me. Because i just i feel like the partner i've always wanted was a teammate. Or someone hold hands with someone to be there. And as much as i've given onassis shane. Now why do you call her a because people have been seeing that in your way of addressing her like mass correct and why what. She is huge sunglasses. That don't fit her face That's the only reason And she spends all my money. Just you know. Jackie onassis married onassis because the kennedys were awful. And they didn't give her eddie money and they They didn't even get to have secret service for her. Kids and paparazzi was off all the time so so nasa was actually dating her sister and she said i need him more than you and the sister was like. All right husband was cheating with an asociados. Jackie have that's just juicy scoop history for you but it's just about the sunglasses to know about the money to okay so about the money in the end it was about. This is what this okay. So now i mean obviously this. Is you know it is very sad because you met in an unconventional way. However you you know grave had beautiful daughter you went through this really traumatic thing. That may should have probably broten out most couple on okay and then after she recovered is when the step mom. Shana said. now. I'll carry baby for you. Shawna shawna already given birth to her own children. So sean has never had a child Shawna craig i wanna make sure people know which sean on talking about They're both great. Sean san is great too because he had another wife named sean wrecked what number was she. I don't know the numbers. After sean or before surrogate sean before so he married another woman named shauna sand's then he married. Shana craig who then carried the baby for you guys. San singular game okay But yet and they had lorenzo and china san had three kids who are all great and then then then he married. Shawna craig Which i did that whole wedding and kabo for them I've always hooked this up big time. And i'm just shocked that he would like take his not take his daughter side which he should. I would do the same thing like in this whole thing. He's not really been a good father as far as helping his daughter through manage. This whole situation was like. Hey this is how you get the money. Because he's been threat. He's got a major in divorce. So you have your your son and still things are great because your son's like five right so things are okay for all these years he six. Yeah thanks point wendy. You sell the dirty Four years ago and so does the dirty still exists. But you don't have a part of it so people are still going there and people are still posting and everything but other people are running it and you got a big fat check No money why. Because there's no way. I could live with myself who i made when i did when i first started. It was not about the money. It was literally my own personal therapy. My own personal project. I was doing kind of a sociology project for myself in my own. Mind to see like where i can take this and I think if i would ever take that money There's no way. I could live with myself to be honest So you have regrets about some of the people whose lives were featured on yes for example the the girl that Slept with ashton. Kucher on the weekend. That i don't have regrets for that because i look at my situation being very similar because i don't know if onassis cheat on me or not i don't wanna know but all signs are leaning towards that But i think if. I didn't break that ashton kutcher story of the girl sleeping with ashton in at the hard rock in san diego ashen wouldn't have as children he wouldn't be married wouldn't be happy he would have been stuck in the same situation that i'm in right now where i was stuck and i just kept going with someone who was addicted to prescription Pills so yeah your credit. You know yeah. I guess you're in a sense you know. I'm sure ashton was devastated. I'm sure she was devastated because she was at a party. She's twenty one years old. She's you know it's ashton kutcher. He's a babe he's married. Who's it's like a fun time married. I don't know i talked to her. She said she didn't know that's a lie. Okay but even if even if she did it's really the guy who's married. Who is the one to blame. I mean there's all. And i want i want to give this to a warning to the young girls out there because a lot of girls are you know. Now in this movement of sex positivity i can fuck like a man and they see a celebrity or they see tristan thompson or they see whomever and they know that they're in a relationship and but the opportunities there that guy's hitting on them and they're like this is a fun story. This is a notch on my belt. This is something. I cannot wait to tell my girlfriend's in the morning but that's the only people i'm going to tell and then it it it does become a news story like jordan woods or you know The other girl that got caught with tristen and you know and sometimes it it can work out and sometimes it's monica lewinsky and it doesn't work out and it's actually really awful and really devastating and so it's like i i'm not blaming you. I'm just thing it's just kind of an interesting thing in a perspective that girls that might be in that situation than like ready to party and get down with you. Know listening to this one podcast and it's like you know. Fuck the daddies. Unlike the daddy who's married with kids. Why is it twenty four old trying to fuck a forty eight year old guy to steakhouse like why would you try to do that. Why what is that philosophy. So i think that's the lesson to don't be the guy that cheats but also don't be that girl that does it thinking it's a refund night because it might turn into a bigger thing that then follows you. There's no might. It always does so. I think you know. We're obviously the older generation. The younger generation lives for likes. Who as i say The girl that hooks up with a celebrity. They don't care about the celebrity. They care about instagram. They care about social media back then. There was no instagram or anything. No back then was the dirty so these girls would come to me like. Are you saying that. Sarah came to you and told you her story ok. She denies surly. Ill okay but she denies just saying. She denies that she was the one that she had any direct. She said her phone was taken and she got her phone back in. The morning was sweet. She got in a cab. She went home and before she even got home. And you know it was already blown up. And she said it did absolutely texts in real time but from her from someone from her friend from her friend. Okay that's what. I want to clear up so that it was not her because she just wants to make it really clear. It was not her this story though afterwards later well. That was the dirty to like a lot of people like the hulk hogan sex tape. I got that. I broke that story. So that became like a big lawsuit to koroma's the story behind that so they sent they had the sex tape and they try to sell it back. Who had it all the hulk hogan with a mistress or what was it. No buddy's wife so he was leaving with his buddies wife while he was married I i don't think he was. All the buddy was married. Cash wife okay. I don't remember if he was married or not. I don't think he was married But it was like a a security camera in in in the bedroom. Okay so they sent screenshots. Because i didn't believe it. I sent screenshots of the dirty we posted it and t's at this thing existed soon as that happened it went viral and then everyone was trying to get all the tape. The only people that god all the tapes gawker gawker into it. The right way When stuff like that happens with me because the dirty was never like a porn site her nude he site. We always censored everything. So when i had that. I was like okay. Well i'm good now. At least i broke the story Now it's up to someone else to go and figure out what they wanted to do. Because everyone was selling they wanted to sell the tape right in half a million dollars for a tape. Like that's crazy. Yeah you know And they try to shake down -tario they tried carey hogan oh that's his real name. Yeah so And i was part of that part but that's who. He was suing like a blackmail getting blocked milk and he any let that be known as being black. Yeah yeah but then but then obviously gawkers ran with it. They got a tape on their doorstep and they just published it without thinking and that was the end of that he said he sued gawker. Yeah yeah but that's the thing like these sex tapes come and go and and now it's completely different like both parties. Have to sign off on it. Release a tape. Just what's your opinion on the kim kardashian. Thing what do you think really happened. It's the biggest question. what do i think yes. What do you think just your opinion. We're not saying back. I'm not gonna go there. I know what up. Oh so that's a question for joe francis. Get him on on next time. Okay because that's what i also didn't really understand about kim. You know Because it was always like. Oh my god. There's this tape out here. And i was like wait a minute. So does that mean. Ray j called some want. Now we know with pam pam and tommy that someone actually stole that tape physical tape from their property but it was out and then they're like what are you gonna do. It's out you might as well make a lot of money with vivid guy and everyone just goes. Oh well at that's where it ownership so then with with this than would other people have a sex tape there like how did this happen. Do they think that the boyfriend still soul sold it or are they pretending that someone stole it from the boyfriend and then even the broken up then she and the boyfriend go. Let's make a lot of money. I don't think any sex tape is accidentally leaked. There's no such thing as except for the navy pamela. We'll tell me and pamela. You're talking vhs chunky thing. Yeah i guess microfiche like what is this you know so so That doesn't even count. But you kim thing. It's a spun off a paris every single thing that has happened in our industry. And i don't care you can disagree with me until you're blue in the face. Everything stems from paris hilton. If you look at every single thing in the way direction is media has gone. Reality tv Business fashion clothing. Whatever she is the catalyst that drives every single thing and then people just copier and they do a better. You know. I totally agree. Because when i was in high school the worst thing that you could be called is your conceded. Oh you think you're all that. She's so conceded. She thinks she could be a model. Then i'll sudden paris's like on the best. I'm a model. i'm the best. I have my own page. Everyone got their own my space page their own instagram and also part of that. Which is good is that the there would be a girl supporting other girls in a way like. Here's follow my best friend. She's joe and like there was that little bit of a positive side that wasn't you know it was more competitive but it was like when i was in in my sorority and stuff it was just like you know you know slut shaming and you know oh you think you're so great and thinking it wasn't like that and so that was one of the things that i was like right away. Paris change the nobody. I don't even think kids know the vocabulary word conceded. I don't think it exists. The more conceded you are. That's just being like body positivity pro me boss babe like there is no it doesn't exist the concept does not exist. Everyone is conceited. I just think we created so much darkness and then when the darkness happens we complain about it. Yeah it's like you like what do you want. You know we did this. It's not like we're sitting here saying stop were saying. Hey let's fire. let's more lighter. Fluid more lighter fluid and let's see how big we can make this flame and then let's complain about high how high the flame is right. So you said you know in a couple of interviews that you presented your wife with beautiful ring. It was your eleven year anniversary ben through some shit but he thought things were good and that then you were totally blindsided talk about that. Why because i mean the argument would be sometimes when you are divorcing. Someone who is very bright and business savvy as you are The advice is to blindside him. I mean you you you if you were till she ham doing this doing this doing this then maybe you and you know you kind of are not saying she did this but you. You don't get your ducks in a row so that it is a cleaner break. It isn't like a fiery explosive fight. And you know and could get. So what was i think it was calculated. I think she had help. I think you know her and her father were encodes because it was his legal team. And you know they. They kind of just got me. And i i was off guard I was. I was really shocked as really sad for still side. So what about when she posted that photo of the you guys in like some photo boxing thing and wrote like after eleven years with loving support. We're going to co parent. And what did you think of that post it or you know. She stole it. From kristen cavalieri and it was the same kind of jay cutler. Yeah larry break up like we're going to be good friends whatever. I always joke about that too. Like after this many years you decide with loving like if you're that good of friends and your loving each other so much so we're to try a little harder. Yeah that's why. I was kinda mad at her horrendo- lorenzo now. Why do you call her. Enza joe renzo horns okay. So so he's engaged right now to another idaho. Do you know what number she is saying. Okay so Yeah no i. I think it was calculated. I think you know they caught me. And and i didn't sign a prenup so i like any money i made. You barely had time between popping the champagne yet but even getting for this the stupidity of myself as a post up So because i really thought this was my soulmate forever. But also the same timeline. Anything maybe because you came from parents that stayed together that you just. There's a different philosophy in your brain versus someone that you know. A- does come from divorced parents and not that anything against anyone comes from divorced parents. But i've said this about like the kardashian girls. It's more about like okay. You're not happy now. And other people that have seen their parents married till death are like. I'm not happy. Now what can i do to make myself happy. Should i go to therapy. Can we work at out can let me make sure i did everything i could and other people i think are like you're not happy. Get out now you know and and get on with your life. Don't waste another minute. And i think there's two different philosophies and sometimes two different philosophies enterna- marriage together and that's why you're blindsided and why she's moved on. Will you know what i mean. Because you would've thought david. If we were having trouble we would try to work it out again. Maybe there were so many things going on in in tandem with the blind side like we were we were about to not about. We were in the process of having twins. So we're gonna who is going to carry the twins so we were in the process of meeting okay. Embryo still correct now. What's embryos in this divorce i started. That's a big name. So yeah there's that Also the fact that. I paid the money to get. That process started And that's bond off of her sister. losing her child to the state of california for heroin abuse. His sister's having a drug addiction problem correct and she had a child in orange county. Totally planned everything. And all of a sudden this child's on my doorstep. And everyone's putting the onus on me. Nick you need to take this child so a lot of pressure so wait so. The sister had a problem with addiction. And so so the so the way this works is instead of sending the child foster care. Shane was like all care for my niece or nephew. Until we figure out a more permanent plan correct and you agree to that I was all everyday was different. Yeah because the child the baby will come over. And i would feel so sad and then the baby wouldn't be over and i'd be like shane. I'm like this you know we. Don't we know nothing about this child. The child was born to drug addicts. And you know was an icu. Detoxing for three and a half weeks the child's fighter i get it and she's beautiful but at the same time like you know i had social services calling me every day trying to get me to do an interview like and it's adding. It wasn't even a choice. Like hey you know. This is shane's sister. He has for taking the child So i i came to the agreement with shane. That a you know. I don't think i can do this with this child. But by will have twins. I will have. I don't think we want to put ourselves in a position to formally adopt correct. Yeah and and was she in agreement without her. She wasn't sure it's very hard. I mean i feel. I feel for everybody in that family. Like that's really hard. And she's a loving mother and like you. Don't you know you you you know people like so many people have drug addictions like you have to be sympathetic to the fact that like. It's just it's awful. It's awful but i respect your decision to say. This is a life commitment. In which the drug addicted dad could come back and annoy s or the drug addicted. Your mom could lead lap. So it's just it's it's a big it's why people you know why. Foster care and public adoptions and all that are really hard because there's p. versus a getting a child from china you know. The parents are in china. Your child is here. No one's going to knock on your door and start some shit or visit them at the school announced to like. That's a really really hard thing. And i think you thinking through is understandable. I think there's a lot of resentment that i made that final save. No because now the kids gone. You know so i feel like a lot of the blame is on my shoulders family. Which i think is insane. It's not my child. i didn't you know. I like It's just it just blows my mind that the perception of me of a bad person within the family considering that this family pretty much controlled me like onassis controlled me like she. She was on a regiment Prescription system that. Like i was at cvs at least every other week. Getting just different things for her. And if i didn't get him or she abused the medication. She would crash for a week so she was asleep for like a week. So i'm i. I was costly taking care of my kids and i was just like in this purgatory of like the you know get starbucks get flowers. Get the in everyday was like groundhog day. Catch my salary. Think then of separated. Nobody i've had some pretty dark thoughts. Yeah you know. I was so deep in that. The thing you think of is your kids. Yeah so i didn't. I didn't get to the point where i was like because you didn't want to leave the home. I thought honestly. If i left the home the home would would blow up. I thought she would die. Like i thought i still think that i think whoever whatever she's trying to do now is not healthy and and i just don't want her to turn in the same cycle as her family and her mom died divorced lorenzo. Where on this crazy path. And i don't know how she died allegedly she. She died of drug use. I i don't know. I never really looked into it. So but she oh deed and hotel somewhere. And that's all. I know i mean that is really. It's really sad So you know what. What is the plan now. Now you guys are first of all. i guess. Marriage boot didn't work. Let's talk about that for a minute. Was couples therapy couples therapy. Who can't was the cheap portion. Okay couples therapy which also joe francis his An abbey did and. I was friendly with joe at the time and i told them not to. Do it. go really. I told him to do it. Well i said why would you do it. you know. And then he said oh. I'm going to have final edit. I know you're not no. You're unless you're kris jenner. You're not getting final edit and didn't show him in a great light but how was the couple's therapy so you did it in that house and chatsworth okay. And what happened there. What year was that in. Your marriage was right from the get do it. Strictly for the money. And so no. I actually that show. We got paid the least okay. So i did you guys do in the reality world. Not i wasn't being the reality thing and you think that's because you know she is beautiful and her dad's and actor but her first step really in entertainment was reality. And i think once your first chiappa. She wasn't actress. She was in general hospital. Oh really yeah. One time. I think i feel like once people step into the reality of being themselves cost. It's typecast but it's also like that's what you know. You're not memorizing lines. You're not auditioning. You just need to like go on dates or have cocktails with your girlfriends go on a trip and you know and then you can't imagine doing anything else. Which is why when they fire housewives and stuff. It's pretty devastating. Not just the paycheck but like the lack of people sweating with a camera running after them is a pretty big ego boost. We think about it you know and so when these opportunities for shows came up. Did you guys both decide together to do them or was it like was a law shows that we passed on Because i like for me. It's double the work. I have to get her to wake up. I have to like make sure she's on time. She's not she's not a responsible person. So it was just the couple's therapy thing because we were stuck in a house If it was any other way. I don't know how it works. And and we were being casted for orange county this season for the new. The new cast with heather and all them I was just very very fearful that that because always i've heard rumors that you guys were in the running for years too young and so they would interview but they never chose or they just or your name was just being tossed around in. This was the first time you guys had like foremost this formal on camera. Any of us came to house. All the kids. Yeah yeah and how are you feeling about that. She wanted to owning. You didn't were you. Both on the same page. Will first of all the money was terrible. Well it's always terrible. The first person stay like five years to make real money guys. Don't really make money near the guys. Don't the guys sign off and sort of the kids. And only the kids eighteen if they really have a great storyline or they're really compelling or fan favorite like brianna vicki's daughter. I believe she then got her own paycheck. And i believe sometimes tamara's son got his own paycheck and what people don't understand. They just think it's it's cameras wall around whatever it's hard work right like you're shooting six months out of the year. A lot of time in these aren't like hey let's go shoot. You know an interview for an hour those interviews you know. They're shooting three four hours. These girls are getting makeup all day. Getting dressed up all to their lighting your house for three hours to ninety an hour to put the camera in the car to drive around. So there's a lot of waiting around standing around now. Oh now you're at the party but guess what you're not gonna be able to walk into the party your first cocktail because we're going to hold you back so that they yell at you and say that you were lake or there's just so much and then then all the then that it replays and now people are attacking your looks in your husband's looks and all that it's it's a lot it's not worth it to me anyways. I think it's like you down to do it. You said you were going to do it this time around. Because she just needed something in her life and so he started to give her some structure a little bit of limelight and maybe like make money. Yeah because i was tired of paying for can make a lot of money after. I mean seeing now. She didn't have when she was the bachelorette. You didn't ha- now. I read person. Now has a huge social media following selling products which she would be great at like. There's all that other stuff that comes with. You wouldn't be great at it. Because i would have talk like literally teller. Hey you need to post this union. Do this her. You know what i mean like. It's it's so hard to explain this person. And all i can say. Her name is analysis. Okay so wait a minute so so you. So you're down to do it to down into the oc show and you're just powering through and you're like you're down to do the show your down to go forward with another surrogacy and life was going normal. Okay and you thought you were on an upswing path. Yes and then how. How soon between hearing that. No you're not gonna do the oc housewives. because i heard you in another interview. Believe because your connection was kelly died and they decided not to go to renew. kelly dodds. you know contract that we were still in the running until the divorce happen. So when was the divorce announced. How long When she made that post. Or whatever. But i so i. I don't know it's so weird because i still can't figure out what happened. Other than the fact that like there are so many different things going on at the same time And i don't know for producer told her or the casting causing person said kay knicks not. The right fit You know maybe maybe you know if you're single and you're doing a job or whatever like off the had something to do with her mindset of breakout with me because i just know i'm not a fan favorite with andy in some of these guys top I also know that you know my political views. Voting for trump does not help me. And where you vocal about it or didn't even vote this year. So you did in two thousand sixteen for trump. Yeah and and so people know that you're telling it now but you you made it vocal in your life or yeah. They paid me to post to. Yeah who did trump someone in the organization so okay so you that was following you around and so kelly was not killing was controversial. Yeah controversial. I think she's like minded like me. She's very headstrong and she just tells it how it is. If you don't like it you know it's just crazy. All these people have to like hold. I also think they want drama and they want you know. They want different people in different opinions yet. They're like not not if it's not you know and i'm like that what makes fun you know like he's got a fund that there's different people and and also just in the oc. It was never a secret that You know they used to call it. The orange curtain a more conservative town in california. So i don't understand why is a conservative town. Yeah it is. It's just the facts but okay so then so then you find out. We're not going to go forward with the housewives in your like fine who cares and then and then you get. I never found like never got to that point. They were looking for an african american That was what they're they were. They really wanted was african american couple. Okay and. I knew we were in the running with like four other couples. Two of them were african american And then we were to shoot the at homes and then But then it all went to hell like literally we got you know. She said she wants figure out who she is. You know pretty much our anniversary and and when she said that we like what are you saying you want to do a trial separation or thought. She was heather mcdonald. That was a joke. I thought i was like. Oh my gosh. Like i was laughing really but then at the same time she was like okay she serious but you have to understand too like we lived in separate bedrooms We have we. We have a pretty big house. So i my own territory. Yeah i live on the west wing right so so she would come into my room and she usually never comes in my room and she told me. And i'm like okay. Well maybe it israel because why would she come into my my domain and tell me who i am and this is right after. I got her a rolex and i got her a I got her a new g wagon. Like i really stepped it up. I was like okay. Wow like she's really in this long haul. Let me get her everything she wants so when she said i wanna find myself if you are saying that you believe that she you know wasn't very motivated and whatever then then were was your first reaction like we'll good. Let's find something that gets you passionate. Let's try to make this. And so. But i want to find myself in the way i'm going to do that is to divorce you or did you think for a moment that there was a chance of trial separation or therapy or whatever when she spoke with page six and gave the biggest lie quote of the world saying that we haven't had sex in a year and and just saying we're best friends but we haven't sex people grow par stuff that i was reading through lines and it's like come on first of all a i am the legal system. Be i am the media. Like i know what's real and what's fake like what's going on here and then when i read it i was like. Wow there's another dude like. Why are you protecting someone. that's not me me. There was another dude so that she could put it out like wink to the other quote unquote other dude. I'm not sleep. I never saw with my husband while i was talking to you. Because why would even need to say that to page paychecks. Why would you even need to include that you know and why would you lie. We've had sex lots of sex. We've we've had sex after the separation So it's like you know we're going through a divorce period. Were still having hate sex here. And they're not anymore but we're actually hate each other now but But yeah like so. For from from my standpoint it was gut wrenching that. Why would you take that job. Because i was raised. Just be quiet and go on my way and the lies. Keep coming out coming out and her family's defending her even though they've never even heard out with her she's probably you know the most reclusive person in the world She's an orange county there in la. The only time they see each other is when i actually begged them to come down and see each other What do you think about her post about how you know. When you're divorcing narcissist first of all and blocked. I did what she says. I i get the The pictures a screenshot. some people I think she's just out of cards. I don't think narcissists from the standpoint of i think there's a little of narcissism within me. But i don't see how me telling the fox makes me the narcissist. I don't see this. Isn't this isn't a smear this me doing what i used to do in the past holding the mirror to other people because she just went for my wife to civilian dirty celebrity and eventually she's going to go away in my mind which is not going to have children together but we were already not really seeing each other. But you're listen. I this is i really wish you the best because it's gonna be really hard but my advice to you is just. I get that you're super her. And you guys are not on a good path of like sharing this dirty laundry. No pun intended but cheese. The mother and you should just try to hope that you guys can do your exchanges not at a police department. I think it's gonna go that i had to do that. Then they stopped daughter. We used to do at the police department and actually it stopped eventually. The kid is old enough. They have a cellphone. Come out to the car you know. It's not an you know but it's a it's awful and you think it's never going to get better but it really can get better because the kids grow up and then the kids start to communicate with you directly and then then that makes that whole thing actually better like your kids are still pretty kids a really smart though like they get it. you know. they've she wakes up at noon. Or whatever like that's the thing that concerns me he's like when she seen the kids and them texting me like. Hey and i'm texting like heavy at practice yet. Like that scares me a little bit But my kids are smart enough to understand like what's going on this isn't it's not like it's shocking for me personally because it's a loss i don't lose so it that's that's what's eating at me. Well that's why i don't because you are so the way you are. This happens with men when they get divorced. It's so much about. I'm not gonna lose. I gotta win. And unfortunately like i heard what you said on the internet. You're like it just it fresh. I can't believe after pay to see my kids. I get that it socks. That's why people like andy. Cohen had a child by himself. That's why unless you're willing to at one time know that you're going to have to co parent whether you're married or not which is annoying when you're married to is. Sometimes my husband and i disagree about an activity that the kids should do or not or one parents more strict in the other when they're teenagers it you know and then you have to just like your like fox. If i was just by myself that i wouldn't have this argument. But that's the point of having a child with someone so it's like will become a society where everyone just has their own kid like your own possession. Their own no place to live by themselves or own pro may be because you hear these horror stories. And you're like shit you know. This is really. I just try to be the anomaly. Just happen so. I wish you guys the best and i want you to realize that probably not going to win the way you wanna win you care will in life. You can win in life okay. Well let's talk about some of the things you are winning at coming. In nile nile. Stop first i wanna i wanna ask you about the nick coin because some that is what my son said. I should do now. The heather coin which is like bitcoin. But yourself how would it work and how does it work. So big cloud is the name of the company got On the Exchange where where actually you create. It's kind of like a social media platform but the the reason i like it because it's based on your success and cried so people are like. Hey heather is there a coin. People are buying a heather coin. Thinking that heather's just gonna keep skyrocketing juice scoops the numbers because he's gonna be ellen is and then once that happens in these people would the cash you. Then they're five dollar coin is worth one hundred dollars correct but also when bad things happen you know you're coined devalued because people cash out on you. Okay i got up to twelve hundred cut divorce so this stuff's going on craziness. Now it's down to like seven hundred go after this appearance the for sure for sure. Thank you thank you but no. I think Nick coins just one of the things. Because everyone's getting into crypto. Yeah and i just don't want to get into bitcoin side of it only because it's just too volatile and it's too trendy it's like someone on the internet on rented tells you to go by this than ever goes buys it okay. It's all pump and dumps so you just have to be very careful with a coin. It's it's more of a long play for me. 'cause i want my goal now is to blow up celeb- sula magazine dot com and the celeb- op more. We're having streaming content in video and beat everybody now now. I'm single so now. Nick ritchie back and i can actually be in prison camp because i was in prison camp. Before when you're the married band onassis Had me in prison camp. Now i'm just going to dominate. Because now screwed a half. Now i have to. I don't have a choice. Have make double the money to make the same money that it was making me before exactly so so tell me what is going on with vegas because you have a tide of the hottest new hotel and casino and can you get me in there along with katy perry hotel resorts world. Okay so tell me what your business is. There white tiger show up three times a year. Okay and where my robe. And just the nick ritchie. That's what i do okay. So what you have a robe and and you think people so that people come just to take a photo with you at the nightclub. You don't speak you. Don't who wants to work so you hosts three nightclub nights at the clock contracts be. I have three events per year. Okay this this. This year falls differently because of covid. Okay so nah. I'll be there in february for super bowl and My hotel is open now hotels. Also okay Crocs heard which is the the higher and part of the hotels not open But it's it's bang in papua at their wishes slammed. Okay all the biggest. Dj's all the big now celebrities. They're competing with a wary. Is it can in comparison to like to like caesar's where is it on the strip. Is it all across the street from the win at encore. Okay all right so there. Those are the two hub so people yeah back and forth But it's it's still in progress. They're going for more. Like a. Beverly hills vibe okay Hire all these is there. It's restaurant shopping in there and The lounges called cats beats really cool. Like the by these very asian. Yeah it's gonna do well l. Actually work. I think they can have the big pool parties and all that they already started that the club's still four months away from being built by it. All right. i'll say well in bring your next i. I don't know if i can bring. I'll go to my son's dorm and i'll collect fifteen of the hottest grocery with me sixteen. Sorry sixteen and i'm the sixteenth. I'm saying you need you had sixty before. I'm one and fifteen others. Hello not on the weekend not in vegas. just kidding. he'll be there. Believe me home on it. Common party so okay. Well that's great okay. So these are all things that are working on and A really cool podcast. A podcast game way back in the day. Well i was on yours. Exact and podcast one days. Yeah on podcasts. Were like yeah not cool now. Yeah you stuck with it and blew a so you but you didn't stick with it. Oh hell no because you were making any money. I was making ten thousand a month and it wasn't enough to justify it. Okay but oh you left. Podcast one took a break. Now where you know well. I retired with when. I told the dirty stuff that i went to community college and to the van wilder thing for a little bit And then i you know. I'm still doing educational stuff. Yeah and now. That i'm back in started. Celebs loves almost a year old. I want i just want to blow up celeb- and I'm going to start doing podcasts. Within the app itself. Can i started a new one starts this week. Hopefully it's called girl just me my daughter and we talk about life like the waste from the way she sees life unicorns and all that stuff. It's really cute. it's it's it's for me. It's great because i feel like parents especially in this generation with the younger kids. They don't give them enough time and effort and they don't communicate with their children. Because you're on your phone social media this. You're getting a divorce whatever's going on right so for me. It's having that one hour to spend with my daughter to actually look in the eyes and talk to her. I think that's great. And you know that is the one thing i know you said you were always spending a lot of time with your kids prior to the break-up but i do think that is one benefit. Sometimes for certain families when they do break up is that whatever the whatever parent was maybe the one. That wasn't the main caretaker now. That child is with them for forty eight hours and they actually might in the end. How even a stronger relationship with their parent than if the parents had stayed together. So you know and this is a perfect example of like you guys doing this. We might have been doing it anyway. But it's like you're right. It's like a real one on one time and it's hard when sometimes the the relationship isn't as strong when it's opposite sex and you know so you're playing with your son on the time. Sometimes the girl grows up and she's like so it's really important having a daughter that you know as she enters the preteen world. That's still like sean things to do with your with your dad. So i think that's great. I wonder how that boys. And so i got that project cole. Nautica projects going on Just trying to stay busy. Yeah because retirement. Wasn't that fun. I'm shooting a lot of Film travel show stuff. I have a show called richie rich so i'm just literally streaming and shooting content for the for the celeb- app so it was listening. Download the slab app My goal without is to give you the three dimensional from from print media to podcast to video streaming content. So it's gonna be fun good frio. I don't know where this is to go with your divorce. And but i wish you in the whole family the best success and i thank you for all the juicy scoop pre nick nick. I think you're free. I think you're okay. No yes you are a lot of pain. I'm a lot of pain. We heard it. Thank you bye later. Well guys you know if you really want to hear my most intimate thoughts. When i go deeper into things you have to join patriot on had donald dot net and you click on patriotic and the nicest thing i get from new patriot members the comments they write me an email me is. Why did it take so long to join. Heather mcdonald patriotic. 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Ep 166 - Interview with Chelsea Wanstrath of the "Bachelor"

Reality Steve Podcast

1:11:36 hr | 1 year ago

Ep 166 - Interview with Chelsea Wanstrath of the "Bachelor"

"You are listening to the reality. Steve PODCAST with your host reality Steve. He's got all the latest Info and juice Peter Season of the bachelor interviewing some of your favorite reality stars. Now here's realities. What's up everybody? Welcome to podcast number one sixty six. I'm your host reality. Steve got another great throwback interview for you this week with Chelsea want strath of Matt Grant Season of the Bachelor that aired in two thousand eight so good one. She also finished second second kind of like Jenny did last week although Jenny. Excuse me Jennie finished second. But also technically Diana did to or it's like one a and one B however you WanNa call it anyway. Chelsea is a great guest. This week. We'll get to that momentarily. I Wanna I'll tell you that. Today's podcast sponsored by the frenemies challenge download frenemies challenge. Please you think he could predict reality. Shows better than me now you can give it a shot. Frenemies is the I reality. TV TRIVIA APP predict what's going to happen before an episode airs and Winsome Loot Games scored lives. You can follow along compare scores with friends. It download the frenemies challenge in the APP store or Google Store and get started. I've already had a few of you. Email me and say you've actually one on Monday nights based on your Bachelor Trivia Knowledge in regards to the spoilers that I've given you've been able to figure a few things out in the questions that they ask and you've actually won one so check out this APP. It's really cool. You'll be hearing me talk about In the next few weeks as well so I want to Give you a heads up that Chelsea coming on. She's got some really good stuff. Some good stories from basically when she got down to the final three. If you remember Matt Grant Season which I'm guessing a lot of you don't don't the final three. Were Chelsea Shayne Lamas who is the daughter of Lorenzo Lamas who was in Greece and many other things you know a hunk back in the seventies these but she came on the show and made no bones about the fact that she was a twenty two year old actress and played the part very well and nobody could believe that she was still on the show and didn't know why she kept lasting as long as she did Chelsea. Share some really interesting stories. When we got down to the end of the show from overnight dates something she heard erred and also from the night before the final rose ceremony when Matt had his last date with her and what he told her so some really good stuff there? I know you like it again. A couple of housecleaning things to get to number one. Excuse me again. Thank you everyone who reached out and offered condolences. Joneses for my aunt's passing the New York trip that I was on this past weekend was clearly not a fun trip. It was it was rough and and It was we got through it. I got through it and And here we are But again You know just to just to see the outpouring ring of love for my aunt was great. I mean we had a four hour viewing on Sunday and easily at least three hundred fifty to four. Four hundred people came through the viewing My my aunt worked in a hospital for thirty two years helping cancer patients and ironically enough ended up passing from that A cancer diagnosis. That she got literally right before Thanksgiving in two months later she was gone. So yeah it's it's it was rough but to see everybody to see family. You know I don't know if any of you. I think longtime listeners of my site will know this. Maybe if you listen to one of my early early podcasts with Michelle money where she interviewed me. You know that every single one of my relatives lives in New York every aunt uncle cousin grandparent. I I have lives in New York. We were the only members of our family to move west and we moved when I was three to southern California so I don't really consider myself much of an east coaster although every single one of my family as we used to go back me and my sister every summer for about five or six years and spend a month out there with family and then once we got to high school and college not nearly as much and then you know once I got a career and whatever then I yeah I've been been back back to New York quite a few times and you know see family and then I try to make a trip to the city and whatnot and But yeah it was. It was amazing to see that many people will show up and into is really cool to know the my aunt touch that many people's lives a Lotta people from the hospital A lot of the doctors and nurses who worked on her floor floor who worked on different floors all stop by see her so that was great But again thank you all to everyone who reached out and offered condolences for that and So my flight got back really late on Tuesday night and I was like well. I'll get back. I'll do reader emails. I have it up on Wednesday morning and then I got back less on Tuesday night. I'm just like yeah. No that ain't happening I was just beat and didn't feel like answering a bunch of emails. So did it all yesterday and now along with today's podcast. You have a reader emails as well. So something else to To tie you over until Monday's episode so again thank you for that you know a lot of stuff going on a lot of if you read today's reader emails I do. You'll see some things in there that I address and and You know I kinda I do want to. I want to see how everything plays out on Monday with Allegra and her coming back on the show and the reaction to her. I mean I I know. It's not positive clearly but just the way things were shown on Monday night was kind of it was so shady. It was very easy to see through as well knowing the way the show works and how it functions and in my reader emails before I get to the reader emails. I do explain a couple of things and my opinions on on how things were shown and and this kind of kind of plays into everything. That's going on with this season. And you know I just think the stuff is so stupid you know it's it really is dumb because they literally spent a whole episode on it and we're going to get another episode on Monday on these women hating hating her because they think that she's fake and she turns it on for cameras when in reality you Kinda have to turn it on for cameras when you're on that show or else you're boring television. And and yes. She isn't the passion world. Clearly she knows how to act in front of a camera But this isn't a behavior that is that deemed the whole episode to to put behind it. And you know for Sydney not to be quiet about it and just constantly talk about it when we've seen in this by so many past contestants like there was nothing new about that storyline and I'm just shocked that Peter put so much stock into it. It was was really weird because you had the women at the Pool Party and as I mentioned on Tuesday it's like look do we. Honestly I think that the only women Peter talked to at the Pool Party or the five women who we saw him talk to which was Kelsey. Natasha Lexi Vittoria REPEA- who all had negative things to say about Laya and even though in the negative things was just repeating what Sydney had said which was yeah. She just seems a little bit different when the cameras are on. Okay great can you can. Can somebody say something else different about her. We know that wasn't the only five five women he spoke to but those are the only five women. They showed US him talking to because they had a story to tell and they had a narrative to sell which was. Hey Hey away fake okay well. We saw her hanging out with Hannah an we saw her hanging out with McKenna. They didn't seem to have a problem with her. And I'm guessing Peter spoke to them and others who probably defended Olaya and yet that was none of that was shown which is just it just goes to show how to watch the show a little bit differently when you kind of know behind the scenes stuff and I hope you all caught onto that. I hope I'm not breaking any major news to you here because it was pretty obvious and after Monday's episode. I really have to take issue at this upcoming Monday's episode. I haven't seen it. I'm not going to see it obviously 'til Monday night but kind of knowing what happens and It's in the spoilers about how you know. Victoria still has an issue with the Laya and and Peter sits both of them down at the cocktail party before the rose ceremony and Victoria basically. I don't know what you call it. Denounces or basically says excuse me. A Allegra exaggerates their friendship or whatever Their stuff out there on the Internet that I don't know where Victoria is coming with this. I really don't. It's surprising they'll have that all up on Tuesday because I'm already I. It's it's so weird like when I announced delay in Victoria were contestants on the season back in September. I told you that. Hey their friends and there's pictures of them on the Internet together. And then when I see Victoria Tell Peter at the pool party. I've spent maybe three hours with her. Total man includes Miss USA Victoria. I don't know what to tell you. I don't know if you have short term memory problems or what. That's just a flat-out lie. We have the pictures of you in different places with Allegra. And it certainly doesn't seem like your hang out with her against your will. It just baffles me. I have no idea where she came up with that. I just I don't get it. I don't understand it but it is what it is. You know some people. We'll get sucked in by. What production wants them to do? And maybe Victoria p they prayed on her and they knew they could get her to say some trash about Olaya too so they can have a story line for episodes three and four now but at me she was just flat out lying to Peter. It was so bizarre but anyway before we get started with podcasts number sixty six I wanNA talk to you about a couple of advertisers. This week I up bank United Bank united. Wants you to go for more. Enter for a chance to win. Fifty four thousand dollars if a team goes for and completes a two point conversion during the game on February February second. All you have to do is follow at bank united on twitter and tweet at bank. United your answer to what you would do with fifty four thousand dollars using the Hashtag go for more fifty four. Everyone has a chance to win the more tweets. 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You saw her on Matt Grants Season of the Bachelor which was season number twelve in two thousand eight. She made it to the finals where he chose serve his little monkey over her. Jesse wants Chelsea. How are you? Hi Steve I'm good how are you. I'm great that was again. I had to do a Lotta research for this interview because obviously I don't remember a lot. That happened that season. I had to look up the name some of the names. I was like Oh yeah. That's right. That girl was on this season and she was and stuff like that but then I remembered the little monkey thing was such a thing with Matt and Shane that season that he calder as little monkey. I think Shane might have been the one that started the whole running. Jump into an wrap your legs around the guy thing that they do all the time on the bachelor. Now that was. It was started by Shane as well. But Yeah Let's let's get started from the beginning of all that and we're you a a fan of the show before you got cast like. How did it come about that? You became a contestant on the show so I I loved the show Shell but I I wasn't one of those people who religiously watched it Mother was the one who suggested. Hey why don't you go on the bachelor. I think think this would be a great thing for you. You're outgoing or lots of flooding. And you're not intimidated by these kinds of situations. I think if anything you just have a good time and so it was hilarious. I made my you know you have to make a video and stuff as an entry tree and I filmed it with. I was living at Cardiologists Guest House. Who was a client of mine that works you know that I worked for and me and some friends decided to film in the backyard and I remember I was terrible like I was awful? They would ask me questions and I would give terrible herbal little short answers and so then my girlfriend bought me two shots of I think it was broadcast at the time in a coffee mug and she's like drink this it will help you notice like what on my video if you don't know if you've ever watched her I don't think the public has access to that but I still have it and you can see me. Change go from like super boring to all the sudden pepped up just lots of fun. Great answers in jokes and so I think I think my video. I ended up in a hot tub in a full gown with a surfboard so well I definitely got their attention and through that I think if you WANNA send over that video I I totally send it over. Okay Yeah I would love to include included in when we post this interview I'd love to include it in there so people could actually outlined it and send it to you because we certainly unless you put it up on Youtube. We certainly don't have access to those videos that are so. Yeah so yeah definitely send it Do you remember what you did out of the Limo like your little entrance entrance. Did you do anything creative or did you just kind of challenged him to an arm wrestling contest. Okay all right okay so it sounds like that. That's what I can remember. I do remember arm-wrestling him and I think it was the first night or something because again. When I was doing doing research I read a old recap from two thousand eight of someone who was recapping? The first episode and they were talking about women that stuck out to them and who this person wrote the arm wrestling champ from Santa Barbara Chelsea Mike harmon wrestling chip. Must I was like okay. So where did that come from. I guess you I guess when the cocktail party you challenge them to an arm wrestling match. Yeah like in my you know earlier. College days Kinda was known for arm-wrestling people at bars. I it happened right. It started as a dare her and then it just kind of like ended up being my thing for a while. I guess I was kind of good at it. I think I don't know L. Though but yeah so that's how the arm wrestling got started. I don't know why I would choose to first time. Meet a guy like hey let's go but it it just happened. So Oh wow that is that is pretty crazy because when I saw that I'm like I don't remember anything about Chelsea and arm wrestling but against you look at me. I don't look like I'm so gnarly you know weightlifting champion or anything. But I guess I was kind of good at our wrestling somehow all but just cheated one thing about you and you and I have been I've just followed you. We've been facebook friends Followed you just. I see stuff posted here and they're like you are you are a very very outdoorsy person. Like I think yeah. I think you live outdoors. Don't you I love dill. You are your always traveling. You're always on in the hills somewhere in the middle of nowhere like so. Explain that like what is your obviously. You're you're very fond of the outside and the outdoors. But what is your thing. You just love to hike and travel and all that stuff yes so I mean I was raised raised in Colorado in the mountains and My family we just. We traveled a lot as kids. We went to Costa Rica. I mean we go all all over the place we go to California a lot which is what got me to move out here When I was seventeen but I don't know I also kind of had I had a moment in in my life I'd say this was maybe three or almost four years ago maybe three and half years ago where one of my close girlfriends friends passed away and it just fired me up again to really do what kind of my soul craves in. That's just challenging myself. Being outside traveling seeing new things that I haven't experienced like I always say I don't really have a foam o of social situations like missing out on a fun party but I totally have this foam o of not being able to see something in the world like missing out on being able to see like the peak of a mountain talk that I haven't been to before or you know a a new hiking trail that's farther than I've ever gone. Those two they just really excite me and they light me up then I like doing a lot of it alone. Sometimes which is also a weird. But it's just I'd rather do with people but sometimes you know schedules don't align and so oh I do a lot of it alone and it's really taught me a lot about myself too so I definitely am just as yeah fanatic for the outdoors of obscene. And you're a big surfer as well you've always been into into the ocean and circa. Yeah and I've seen the pictures over the years and I'm like man. She is everywhere she's at mountain it she's always at the top of mount. It's the Perkins being single. Though and I've said like without children and stuff I have the ability to travel spontaneously at ease and so I'm fully GonNa take advantage of it because I know there's going to be a day where I have have kids and a family and I'm not doing that and I'm going to look back and say Dang I am so glad I was able to do all those things so I was gonNA say. Where are you at dating wise in terms of do you? Do you WANNA get married. Because when I saw that I was just a maybe she just wants to travel and do all this and everyone always thinks that they're like how are you ever going to settle all down like well when the time comes in the right person one hundred percent I You know I've dated I've been in. I was in a committed relationship for the last few years with someone. I love and Adore Four. And we've been friends for about fifteen years and so we just didn't align on what we wanted and I'm actually at the stage. Right am ready ready. I'm like okay now I can say I'm fulfilled in living the single life. I am ready to commit. I'm ready to get married in. I want to have children in and I'm I'm at the age where I don't have a ton of time I do have time but I don't have a ton of time to accomplishes things having a family if I want multiple children so yeah it's something that's a big priority for me now but I also want the right person happy to be single until I find the right person. Is it something that how long ago was the break-up with the with the recent person I'm not GonNa lie it's complicated still lingering still there no no no no no no no but it was We officially broke up about OUGHTA year ago. And then though we've just stayed in each other's lives just because we've had such a long history together. It's kind of hard. We have a pretty strong like gravity gravitational pull or kind of like this magnetic pole for one another but ultimately like now. We don't work. Just he's not ready to settle down the way I am so yeah but I I'd say I mean I've been single. I've dated other people since in the last last year. Okay let's we got a little sidetracked there so let me Sorry but that was me. I was the one that asked about. You know the the hiking and all the pictures that I see so we'll get back to the show and I don't remember a a ton of dates from her season or a lot of things that really went on What was your? I'm assuming considering you got second place you had a one on one at some point during your season right. Oh yes asked. What did you get what? What was your one on one on the season? Well okay. I had several And I'll say this. So what you there are things that of course you don't John Camera and Some of those were very early on. They gave me time alone with Matt. And so like for instance is my first kiss with him did not happen on camera. It was we were in Las Vegas and he had given me the rose does that evening. Yeah we were on a big group date and he had given me his rose. which kept me safe like? I knew knew I was going to be safe shape that week. And after that they you know all the girls were staying in this large suite that had multiple beds bedrooms and they pulled me aside for an interview during that interview they said Hey Matt wants to spend more time with you just one on one so great so you those things it's happened and so I have little ones. There was also when we went to Sun Valley Idaho on a ski trip. A bunch of the girls. I think we are down to maybe like ten of us at that point. I checked into my hotel room and I heard a man's voice next to me I thought about it and actually know staying with Amanda. Amanda and I had room together that that time and I heard a man's voice and I said Hey I think that's matt so we went and knocked on the door next to us. They had accidentally given us one of the producers rooms. It put us next to him so little. Did they know we actually got to spend spend time the two of us with him alone and then and then I had a one on one date with him. That was my first. One was in in Sun Valley Idaho and we went on a beautiful sleigh ride through the snow in the mountains and then we went on a dinner and then we spent spent some time alone and then I snuck back into our little snow chalet cabin you know. I don't know what time it is. It's usually like three or four in the morning so that the girls didn't you now. They had no idea. So it's Weird Matt Matt. As he was the only bachelor who was British that they've ever had so it was definitely kind of a stretch for them. Basically when you look at it now. The current season that's airing of the Bachelorette season number twenty four and you were twelve so halfway through through in a British bachelor and were you attracted to Matt I mean was this this guy someone that was your type or was it like well. He's the battery. I kind of have to kind of have to hand to him. Because there's no other guys here so say this. He was definitely ruling not my typical type but I was attracted to him and Matt was very witty. His sense of humor is what what really drew me in. But I'll say there were things that were not like I wasn't attracted to about him and those those kind of didn't reveal themselves that often so in you're just you're stuck in this situation where like all you think and do is about singly. Focussed on this man and so you kind of you your condition to like someone more than you actually probably wouldn't real life right. It's a competition. I'm a very competitive person. Any of my friends my family everyone will tell you like Chelsea wants to win so I think there was a slight part of me. The was Probably more into it than I would have naturally been in real life but I will say yes it was initially attracted to me is a tall handsome good looking guy so who apparently to show paid fifteen thousand dollars for to get his teeth fixed before the show I heard. Wow also yeah. That's that's crazy purchasing the bachelor. I guess now now it's more like they get you a if they know you're going to be the bachelor they get you a personal trainer but back then I guess Matt didn't have the greatest teeth and they Papers he wasn't very. How do I say this like? He wasn't super Athletic which probably doesn't fit somebody that you were going right interested in right so there's okay so that happens you you have your dates back then. It was obviously you have hometown dates. He met your family. Things went well. Who in terms of your overnight dates the the final three were you Shayne Lamas and Amanda ran to Chico and demand that you just spoke of uh-huh Amanda was the one that had the weird hometown date where they played a prank on him right? I remember that yes. It wasn't like what was it that she wasn't the she was pregnant. Was it no no. So they brought in a fake mom fame and I remember she was touching Matt's nipple that's right the the morning with like really touchy feely. That's right freaks him out big time. That's right they had. They had the mom that was hitting on Matt when Amanda was inside told her it was fake. Okay yes yes so when you got to when you you got to the overnight portion where was your overnight date So at that point we were. Let's see we were back in Barbados House. Okay so all overnight in Barbados yes. All three of us had our overnight. Zimbardo Betas in all say so my I remember my overnight got quite a bit of criticism and even from Matt specifically like the early portion before it was the actual overnight portion the daytime date that we had awed Matt was not super stoked on me He claim that I was distant. That I was unaffectionate. And all these things and I didn't really get a chance to told him until later that evening off camera I let him know why which I remember was because so Shane's hotel hotel room was apparently directly underneath mine the floor beneath Mine and we had these beautiful balconies overlook the ocean and I went to get breakfast vist and had it served out on the front or the the balcony of the patio outside and while I was eating breakfast in this was right before my day eight. I heard Shane below me talking about her date and basically dishing all the dirty details and that just made me feel. It's like A. Yeah there's as a part of me that knew something obviously clearly. What is going to happen on these overnight dates between him and the other women year about it and know about it and all the details? I was us. This is gross. You know like we're talking sexual details. Yes yes who. She was telling producer this yes I was telling the producer. She had just basically gotten back from her overnight and so she was in her room getting breakfast outside having a cigarette and I overheard her telling them all kinds of things. I won't repeat gotTa Review on here. Sure you know what we'll just frame it like. This was she likes when she was talking like sexually about what happened with matinee before is she explaining in detail like how many times they did it or positions. Is that what we're talking. Basically about about like stereotype of like European men being circumcised or not that kind of stuff he you know and just like the details of what happened in that like they slept together all that kind of stuff. I don't remember too much other Than just I heard that those things. Well it's funny because Shane was like the lightning rod of the season. Because she's this twenty two year old like bubbly doubly kind of you know ditsy at the. She's twenty two she and she was an admitted she was an actress. She's the daughter of Lorenzo Lamas. Who Do anybody that watched Greece? And Yeah like we all know who she was at the time this way before social media was a big thing but yet we knew who one of these contestants was in terms of. It's not that she had been in anything really popular but we knew she was the daughter of a famous actor and separate. I'll say I. They had no clue and I didn't know until my hometown day and my mom pulled me aside once the Mike Scott taken off for the day and she goes Chelsea Chelsea. I need to tell you something like we've been trying to follow you and find out where you are we've been online and you know there are people that know a lot of information about the bachelor and their fans is and she says you need to know do. Shane is and I was like. I don't know she's this dumb blonde. Whatever sorry I mean? I don't mean that but at the time I felt that so my mom told me that that she's Lorenzo Lamas daughter. She's an actress and then there was talking of online Kerlin met and Matt had actually already met prior The all kinds of talk so at that point was the first time like I learned who she was Scotch. Yeah Yeah and she was somebody that I think. A lot of people. All season long couldn't understand what Matt saw in her or that they didn't understand their connection in this like this is almost fixed. She's an actress yes she was put on the show to win from the beginning. Ginning like there's right. There's always been talk about that so you obviously made it through to the final two and you have a final date with him and whatnot and and I don't know if people remember this because I've had my blog and my website for a really long time but back after your season ended I had gotten a hold of you somehow how I don't know because it wasn't there wasn't twitter there wasn't in. I don't know how I got a hold of you but I did right and I remember speaking with you and you and I were set to do an interview very shortly. After after your finale aired. Yeah and I remember promoting it and I was like Hey Chelsea's coming on and she's got a lot to say because you told me a lot on the phone and ABC had read it and said absolutely not Chelsea. You're not going on with that guy right and killed it and then I was like Oh okay. Doing it was the last time I started promoting voting stuff. That hasn't happened yet but I remember I remember one of the main things was you. Were absolutely one thousand percent convinced he was picking you on final rose ceremony day correct. Yes because it was actually even. I was petrified because I had told them I wasn't doesn't ready to get engaged like I don't know this man all that. Well I can't even say I love you and even if they got like APP Yep me too I say this that they would they would frame your conversations in a sense that they would it kind of talk you into saying you are falling in love with them and I'm not GonNa say I didn't say those things I did did. I mean them not wholeheartedly no not at all. Aw but was influenced by alcohol and had nothing else going on and had fully focus on you know just getting this one guy in winning. Yeah so also They also came to me like no. If map proposes you have got to say yes we cannot do this. The show cannot do this. You know we had are ratings. Dropped from last season because Brad pick no one like you cannot reject him if he proposes. You're saying yes. Well I mean Lena. At the end of the day I get to say what I get to say. You know like if I say no I'd say no and And I told them it's not know that I I don't WanNa be with him. It's like Yes to you yes to committing to getting snow you in having a relationship outside of the show but being engaged. There's just a giant thing that I feel like I would be. I would be promising. Something I truly don't mean to follow through with just yet so Yeah I was completely wholeheartedly convinced. Even like usually they. They want you to drink a lot of the time just to kind of get you to loosen up. Get you to save funny. Things is on the interviews. Get you to be more affectionate. Also get you to be more aggressive with the other women and I remember on my right before The very final final rose ceremony. When I was walking down I asked for a glass of champagne and they were like You probably shouldn't really why not and they're like Just you you know or maybe one maybe one but don't know we don't want you to drink a lot and I thought that was interesting because that was not the usual so so yes so when he doesn't propose to you at the end he did say something along the lines of. I was him saying he couldn't give you everything you need it or saying. You couldn't give him everything so he told me he couldn't he. So that night prior he called called me and said come to my room and I went to his room and we taught we literally just talked and we laughed and he shared a lot of things about his dislike for Shane to me he made fun of her you know. He told me that when they were they were in London at the Buckingham Palace. They were driving around and she's like. Oh my gosh the White House. This is so I've never been to the White House and he's like like wait. You're joking right. And she's like no that's where the president's at she's like this he's like. This is not even America. This is not our cut your country like this is this is the UK eight you do understand like the queen of England is here not you know president of the United States so he would remember him just kind of poking fun at her a lot and telling telling me these little things so of course like he's obviously not GonNa pick her. He wouldn't be making fun of someone he's going to get married to write a proposed to so yeah and he had said to me he wanted to move to California he was excited for for the opportunity. And what could come after the show and moving to California was the only way he was going to kind of gain anything thing from his ten minutes of fame from the bachelor and then so then when he you know did not propose or did not offer me the final rose and said it was because he couldn't give me what I wanted meaning he couldn't move to California he needed to be back in the UK with his family. I was like what in the heck. Have you been smokin between last night. Now then he didn't. He was living in California. I know this because I actually bumped into him two years later and he was working at a bar and we'll help When he picks shaking dating Po show even though it didn't last very long right they were in? LA WE'RE LIVING IN LA exactly so you know that. That was the his he. I think he needed a reason to let me down as far as like to reject into you know he needed to give me something and rather than saying I had. I know he did say I had it more of a connection with Shane but he I think he knew I would would not have believed that at all. 'cause you just made fun of her a bunch so now we don't but but I don't think that he knew that I would like to see him later find out he was living in l.. A. Or whatnot so well I think it's just give me some reason to reject me and that's what you know in that moment. That's what he chose and I think it's you know just hearing your story and knowing how the show it works. It certainly seems like they needed a proposal at the end and he wasn't going to get one from you and they said go with Shane. She'll do it she's an actress. She'll I'll just play along with whatever's going on right right see hard time from the very beginning showing affection and showing join feelings that I didn't genuinely believe myself yet. You know like I knew I liked him but it was like God. This is such a struggle to get me to Sam falling rolling in love with him. Like I'm just not there. I don't know and you know they could see that. It bothered me to say things. I didn't wholeheartedly totally me. So like saying proposal would have been me doing something for the show not for myself and when you did po show stuff and people were asking you about it were you. I mean you're you're very clear like I'm guessing you weren't close with Shane in the house. Sure I'm sure you didn't connect with her on any level on anything just so different. No we live like amicably with each other. We never gotten and any arguments or anything. I did not like how he treated people. I did not like how she ran around the House with her head in unlike high above the air from anyone else like she breeds pure oxygen and we got like co two according to her it was just just. That's the way she carried herself herself and I didn't like it. I had nothing in common with her. We didn't hang out. We didn't spend time together. We didn't really chat like she was you know she's definitely more of like a high maintenance you know presser type of woman in I. Pride myself in being low maintenance down to Earth Earth woman so we didn't have really any similarities and I'm sure her upbringing had to do with that. You know she was yes absolutely daughter of a famous actor you know. He's entitled understand her world and she didn't understand why and I think that what about the other women like when the other women and you guys would sit around and chat and have talks walks and you were close with Amanda. Were all of you. Like how is he keeping this woman around like. She's she's a little twenty two year old little Brat like did. Did you guys ever say that to each other. Like I can't believe he likes her. That had to have been a sentimen and we. We truly didn't think he did though. Okay from everything that heat heat. We didn't know what was going on their dates of course and so from our perspective we were like. Oh He's keeping her around because she's good TV because she's she's dramatic and she puts on a good show and she's kind of a one off she's different from the majority of us and so we literally didn't think they had connection we until the show aired. I was like wait. Wow I know idea yeah. That's it's it's crazy because you don't see their day to get footage of anything. I'm guessing Shane when she came back. I don't know who she was close to in the house. If anybody probably talking about. She really didn't talk about it much and not with the women that I was close with at all I know she was friends with Holly As well old and they had some moments but I don't remember her really like dishing anything or sharing with the other women so we didn't really have a clue title but for the majority of I'd say we all got along except well not lying. If I say that I didn't get along with everyone I remember uh-huh at you know when I was looking up your season in your cast list You know the only names that really stuck out to me under season. Obviously I knew you were in chain. I totally totally remember Mandarin Mandarin to actually ended up being a CO worker of my best friend and in California I remember him telling me like. Hey He's like I I I just started out this new job and You know this man to rent. Who Gio and Mike? I don't know her but I know who she is. Yes she was on the bachelor. He's she's my she's my co worker So so her obviously durst who went on to do a lot of other stuff in Batra nation. The only one from your season and then I totally forgot that amy. Bean was on your season season and amy bean ended up becoming a producer on which is no longer on the show But is she was a longtime producer looser on this show straight from your season which is kind of kind of weird a contest and ended up becoming a producer on the show. Right definitely totally forgot. Amy Was I knew she was on a season a new. She had come from the show. I didn't know until I looked up. Wikipedia that that was your season so post show. Everything happens with Matt and Shane. They don't last and you're probably not the least bit surprised right that they never did. He ever just out of curiosity did he. Ever Ver- when it was all over one was all said and done either him and Shane or after imaging maybe before they were even done did he ever reach out to you. Yes yes he contacted me. I think it was about maybe like two years later. Or something I I don't recall if it was before I bumped into the bar in La it was either before or right after that he reached out to me on facebook and it was very friendly and amicable and just he said like. Hey I am so sorry for what happened in the way that I. Hey maybe handle that at the end and I just he's like I wanted you to know that I genuinely felt the way that I said about you and I really liked you. And he didn't allude to like why he picked Shane over me that he didn't go into anything. It was just like a sincere like. I'm sorry if anything hurt you and I'm sorry if you've ever felt that what I said wasn't genuine in wasn't true like I meant it but you know I why didn't choose her for whatever reason so And that was that and then he said Oh maybe we could meet up again or something You know it was all said and done said Don like. I've moved on so so that was it so you never know hard feelings ever at all for me. It was the easiest break-up I've ever we're had in my life and you guys you'd ever met up with him like you said never after that in just that message to exchange with each. Yeah Ah just that and then ran into him in our but he was working and I was with a group of friends so there wasn't really much of an exchange other than hi. Hello how are you what are you doing here. That's and you keep in touch with anybody else from the show. No I mean just you know through social media like Holly Amanda a bit it but You know honestly our worlds collide because of the show and then not having any involvement. They've kind of drifted apart. Although like I'm so happy to see holidays you know her her life and what has transpired for her and now having a baby like I'm so so happy for her any the cast mates that You know I keep in touch with via social media but other than that like no Amanda I did meet up in would see each other and she actually really moved out to California but as we know this was many years ago. So it's kind of gifted apart but yeah I I think when you know you look at this. I mean it was two thousand eight. I mean you film The nate aired in two thousand eight and it's just like one of these things where or what. Maybe you filmed it because it says your season was released. Your first episode aired on March Seventeenth. So when did you guys film January February of that year or did you film end of two thousand and seven. I think if I came home I think we started the first of the year. Okay makes sense so January the February. Yeah that sounds about right okay. So and then you aired March seventeenth okay. Yes yeah and so what have you been doing since. Are you still in medical in in In pharmaceutical sales. or where are you at right now. And what do you what have you been up to recently. And what you're what are you doing now. Yeah so I still. I worked for a completely different company. I work in oncology now and I'm I'm working kind of a blood cancer consulting position and they've been doing that for the last seven years and I just bought got a house which has been really exciting. Also the most stressful thing I've ever done in my life ever recommend buying in my house is like historical. It's one hundred two years old. It's really cool but it has. It's it's been a big big project for me but I'm starting to get to the phase where I enjoy it and I'm liking it but So that's new. That just happened in July of this year. So Oh yeah. I'm just trying to travel and enjoy as much as I can the time being I am also like I have a huge passion for naturopathic and holistic holistic healing and health. And that's something that I do on the side and you know and really into fitness and wellness as well. Yeah no I could definitely Tell that from your from your facebook or do you go. Have you ever done those retreats that he will do those wellness retreats or police. Tom I've kind of but not I feel like I'm lucky that there especially at the community I live in. Ohio is very hippy. VDB Very Granola spiritual. Woo All that stuff. And it's right up my alley. I love it and I'd take some of it. I'm like okay I get this. This works for me and then other things in like. Oh my gosh this is total just like quackery like what is going on here but So I have. I'm surrounded by it so I don't. My retreat is has to go on a surf trip or to go hiking up in the mountains. Like that is my retreat Otherwise I can practice all of the other things just locally where I'm at. No it's understandable. Sounds like you know like you said you've you settled and you're at the point in your life now we're ready to go and you're looking for that that Looking for that someone. I know that Kind of earlier. I want to say Gosh would have been late let's see. Maybe you're not in two thousand nine or two thousand ten. I remember I had become friends with. I had become friends with Gerry Anderson from this franchise season and I do remember that at one point right after his season with the honor like there was an remember reading it online that you guys had head dated a little bit right longtime ago your right. After his season we actually went to their Dave Dave film so that season of guys Filmed there what is the after the final rose and they were having a like like a big party at one of the hotels afterwards for all the guys and we kind of crashed it me Hawley Noel. Amanda and Amy All crashed is the party and showed up. I mean we had such an incredibly fun time with is a lot of us kind of like had I had talked to Jeremy Through one kind of Messenger. I don't know if I had my space like really mice. Basically there was something some kind of social media then and he had reached reached out to me just to discuss like the post show and get my feedback and so we kind of developed an online friendships. So then when I got to meet him in person there was definitely some sparks there and we got to know each other and had a great time and had like you know very short-lived Dating situation he was living in Texas. Tonight was in California so but it was great to get to meet up with that group of guys and we all had a lot of fun with them and some of the girls might have dated some of the other guys. There's definitely a lot of that kind of going for sure. And were you ever contacted by the show to ever do their spin offs which would have been bachelor pat at the time or was it bad. Not Around at that point there was there was initially one bachelor pad and just for me I loved doing the show. I have no regrets at all but it was kind of something that after I've seen the working the inner workings of it I was like this is just not me and and I wouldn't be willing to do it again so yeah I also just like that's not for me like I can't authentically finds love in this this type of situation so it and you know like sometimes this kind of stuff can bring out the worst of you like you're competing for love in this. A person is seeing all these other women at the same time like. It's not how things genuinely happen out in the real world so I didn't think it was best for me to do that. And put myself back out there in that way so yeah no. It wasn't something I was ever interested in doing again. Okay yeah that makes sense. I just figured I had to have believed that somebody as prominent as you were on your season you know a girl that finished second that they would at least attempt like hey would you would you. Would you want to be on a a spin off. Show that was right around the time I believe that bachelor pad was right things like holly for my season had done was it yes. She did paradise as well now. Yes she did Bachelor Pad Season Two. You believe she right okay yes. She was on the second season about Japan. And that was yes and also my career had kind of just taken off into a new directions. I remember being like I. Can't you know it's really hard if you do have a career to say hey I'm going on. TV show. It could be gone for X.. Amount of days or not or or you know to ask your company to put your position on hold and save it for you and then you have you know rent and bills to pay like it's hard to do that and I think later on I I learned after the show show of course that. Hey you've got to ask for those things from the company from ABC from the network. I wasn't Privy Ada understanding while I was on the show like I was there strictly to find love. I didn't think about money. They paid for things they never actually gave you a lump sum of cash or anything like that. They paid for you to do like you know. All your travel auditing meals and then your final dress and stuff but other than that like you were still paying your own on bills. Yeah no it's it's it's a weird world. Do you still watch the show at all. Do you keep up keep up with it at all or no you know. I don't really ely partially because I don't even have cable like I have like Apple. TV So I have to pay to watch it. So I have seen a bachelor in paradise. I've watched that one. I feel like that one has more drama and entertainment than any of them him. And it's too. It's interesting for me to see you. Know previous cast mates putting themselves out there again and all these situations and you know there. There is kind of a bachelor family and I know a lot. More of them are more in touch with each other. And when you get off the season that's Kinda the thing to do and so a a lot of them do intermingle date each other. And then you know the Bachelor in Paradise Huts this on television so I've seen a few seasons of that but I haven't been watching the actual bachelor or Bachelorette for several years not missing much and it's just it's it's weird to think because back in two thousand eight when this is all going on it was just a different world back then like I don't know once you got off the show. Were you in touch with some of the like the ones that you had become friends with most notably probably Amanda when you got home from filming. Did you immediately contact. Amanda had you exchange numbers or did you not. I know you're not technically supposed to but everybody does. Yes how did it work for you. Yeah Amanda and I kept kept in touch a lot in you know one of the things that I found to be so beautiful about. The situation was here two women fighting for the same guy by and at the end of the day neither of US end up with him but we built a bond in a friendship that could openly discuss how we we dated this person and what happened between us and then you know the show as a whole so her and I kept in touch immediately and exchanged all the details sales of like. Hey will this happened on my end you know it. It's not something that you're used to two so trying to understand. What production did this? Did they do this for you. And I had this happen Just kind of sharing our stories in the experiences because at some point you are separated. When you're the final four you're separated separated and you don't see the other women at all until the rose to them until the rose ceremony and then you know? I'm looking on them. Live Okay Amanda. Still you're gay and when you try to make eye contact like hey whisper off one offs but you're you're pretty segregated from each other so no it's it's still the same way to this day. Hey it's just this once once you get to the final four and one's hometown start. You know how it goes. I don't know what number hometown you had whether it was the first second second third or fourth year. Remember which one you are. I don't think mine was the for. I know it wasn't the first I was somewhere in the middle. Okay because we all know when you get to hometown dates you are basically put up in a hotel with your handler in southern California and you just wait until it's your turn to go home and then you fly in the night before you stay at a hotel near your hometown. At the next day he meets your family your back back in her tail that night and then you fly back to La wait until the rose ceremony like. You're not hanging out like trust me. I get this show's been on for seventeen years thirty nine seasons and people still ask me. Hey when they're acting their hometown one of just how other friends you know what's going on on the show now you are you are. I mean I remember. I was so grateful to have an amazing handler that I got along with and loved and it was her first time being a handler for the show and I mean I would tell her. Listen I am bored out of my damn mind being in a hotel so much like you can either come with me and ensure my safety or you can stay behind. I am sneaking out like I have got to get out of here and there was rookie. There was one occasion in Barbados. I lied and said I was sick and needed to go to the doctor in her and I went rented Jetskis Jetskis for an hour. I don't think I've ever told anyone this by the way we're production like they don't know about that then there was another time in la where. I got actually a lot a lot of trouble because I snuck out. We went to like a club that they were they were like people could've seen you something could have happened. I was like I wore a hat and I think we ended up going into a gay bar fine and so that was that was during your waiting for hometown like you were when you were in their hotel waiting for hometown to happen or waiting for the road sermon. Yes yes exactly. Yeah when we were in LA. Yeah I got out. I remember something happened where I got in trouble. It was a side for me sneaking out. There was another situation where I got in trouble. I can't quite remember mm-hmm oh I think I I do remember. There was a guy in the bar an older gentleman and it was just me and my handler in this man and he had how to drink and left in. He slid a Napkin over to me as he left. And I remember it was incredibly inappropriate and it had his room number in it and so Mary Beth who was my handler. At the time I remember I was fired up. I had been drinking. I was fired up. I'm like I'm going to go to his room me. Tell him he can't do this. And that this is disgusting and did it and she was like no. Don't don't dare. We're GONNA leave this away. I was like well. You can either come with me right like I was doing what I wanted to do. Regardless like unless this handler is a bodyguard. You guys can't stop me so I remember. I went and knocked on his room room and he answered the door and I just ripped into him and told him like how incredibly inappropriate was to leave that on a Napkin. Dissident and I think production found out about it or like the front desk got called and so yeah I was in trouble a bit. uh-huh boy what a troublemaker season. You have a lot of downtime. which is something people? Don't see and don't understand like you have a lot of downtime and it's boring on the Internet you don't have a cell phone like you can't do the things you're used to doing and you can only like workout so much in your room or at the gym in the hotel it's boring. Let's face it create trouble. The kind of stirring up a you bet no trust me stories throughout the years of people and what they do. I mean they're just they're endless but it's crazy how much trouble you got yourself into. I think the story about Shane overhearing her from her overnight with Matt. That's a that's an Alzheimer. I hadn't heard that one before. That was pretty pretty shocking to me to just that he was willing to say those things out loud to me which was the other woman at the time. And then you know like a lot of people kind of made fun of her air headedness or dizziness. Whatever you WANNA call it But for him to say say it to me I like that made me lose some respect. Because he chose her at the end of the day. It's like you don't criticize the person you're choosing to be with to another another woman like that just wasn't wasn't quite right on his end and I don't know if production got him to do things to kind of make me feel like I had got it in the bag. So that way I'd have a bigger reaction to him turning me down. Sure enough stuff happens does and you don't know it though as it's happening running. Yeah you're you're you're unaware of it when it's going on and then you realize after the fact like Oh shit I was set up basically and not only. That was the old timer I was even referring to the fact. Act that what you overheard Shayne saying downstairs before you went on your overnight date. That is an all time story that the fact that you were that close to her and you were able to hear her to her producer like. That's that's crazy because yeah that would put you in a totally different mindset. Like Oh shit. I'm about to hear my overnight date and I just just heard everything he did with some girl the night before you know. That's right totally bizarre to me right. It just doesn't create for like me. Wanting to have the most romantic time with him exactly excite up for that so yeah it was probably definitely distant with him and came across and I didn't really want to tell him at at the time about it so let it go. I don't remember or know if you remember or if it comes up in my season and it's funny I thought it would be. It was gonNA to have been shown more and they showed bits of it. But I remember Chris Harrison saying on a commercial for my show like de biggest fights in Bachelorette the bachelor history and it was a confrontation I had had a woman named Mark Shawna. I don't know if you remember. She's got a lot of personality. Yeah and that that was like a big thing for me because the majority of the time I had kept with the women that I got along with. And just you know didn't really rock. The boat didn't have any fights or arguments and I remember just getting pushed to a point where I was tired of. Something's things happening in. I just decided to stick up for someone else in then I mean what you guys didn't see in. TV was. This was a heated discussion. That almost got physical so when they they showed the PG version of it looking like we just got a little bit of an argument and voices got raised. But it up. Okay Yeah. We don't remember that I mean there's been so many fights since then it's just like yeah. Of course now. The drama I feel like is so much worse. I was like well if Chris Ayers and thought that was the biggest fighting bachelor history like my goodness nowadays. Today's at the time though season twelve. Yeah it probably was the biggest fight in history or or personally because they love to hype. Everything else's says everything on the show is right of course but Kelsey Kelsey Yossi. Thank you same Chelsea. Halcion Peter Season. That's airing right. So that's why I don't know why that popped in my head but it tells you thank you so much for coming on. This was a really interesting trip trip down memory lane and hearing some of these stories that I'm guessing ninety nine percent of the audience had no clue about thank you so much for doing this. I really appreciate it and well. It was my pleasure. This was actually so fun for me too. Because it's not often that I think about that and this is so fun to kind of relive it again. Unlike other smile on my the thing that was that I got to experience in doing my life. I know it's great and just sharing the stories and hearing from you. I know the listeners are going to love this and again I appreciate you coming on We'll definitely be in touch and good luck with everything going forward awesome. Well thank you so much for having me. I do appreciate it very much. You GotTa Chelsea thank you all right you take care. Thank you so much to Chelsea for that. She was great. I love those stories about the overnight and her hearing about Shane Matt Sex right before. She's going to leave to go on her date. That's gotta be a little unnerving. I I gotta say. How could it not be? Let's got to throw you off a little bit. You know it's happening and you'd be naive to think that it doesn't but to hear about details about it or yeah that was Kinda weird and Just the fact that Matt was basically shit talking. Shame the night before the final rose ceremony. Monia men's up and then ends up picking her like something went down and I think it was what I alluded to in the podcast. I think they wanted a proposal out of this and they knew they weren't getting one. They knew they weren't getting an engagement out of Chelsea. So I have nothing to back this up but I don't think it's really far fetched to think that he was is not forced to but nudged the direction to go with Shane. That's just my guess. But very interesting interview from contestant that a lot of you may be probably heard of and never even watched two seconds of their season and I mean a lot of people didn't that was when the show was kind of almost on the verge of cancellation and then I think Any Baldwin was after Matt. I think I was Lu- round that areas where I lose track of the order of who was the next ex- bachelor but I think it was anti Baldwin after him and then Brad Womack was after any Baldwin and that's when the series kind of picked up from there but again thank you so much to Chelsea Elsie for coming on and sharing that story and again thank you all for listening to podcast number one sixty six and we're back at it again. Next week. Nick please rate subscribe and review and Apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your podcasts. It certainly helps us although they have changed their format. And I'm kind of confused about it. So whatever you do just listen to the podcast tell your friends tell your family tell your mistresses. Whatever listen to the podcast guest because the more downloads I get and the more people that listen the more word that can be spread about the reality podcast and So yeah we wound it. Can you imagine that after all the Shit I took for the month of December for not having any bachelor people on two in a row about that. Let's make it three in a row next week. I don't know if the next week's guest it is 'cause like I said. I got a week to week basis. I rarely I rarely book a record interviews three or four weeks out before they air but just because they end have not been timely There will there will be times. We'll have to like I recorded Chelsea before I left for New York so I knew I wasn't going to be rushed and I would have only had yesterday to record interview and somebody couldn't come than I was screwed so You know we know the situation. We're in with Batra after people so any bachelor guests I get probably GonNa be of the older generation or even three four or five years ago. It's just tough because the the newer ones maybe they do wanna come on and I just I can't Because the show has got such a stranglehold on them. And and I'm you trust me. I have had people tell me I wanNA come on but I can't right now. Just gotTa wait and wait until the contract's up and all this stuff is like great so we'll do what we can. But YOU'RE GONNA get podcasts every week and I hope you enjoy them. So that'll do it for podcasts. 166 for Chelsea wants. I'm reality Steve. Thank you for tuning in and we will talk not next week.

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It's a thrill like high and like s. An expensive fucking yes so again and we're back i. It's been about a month since we did an episode. Actually it's not true. We had an episode done. We didn't episode. And i listened to it back. I never listen to podcasts back. Yeah i mean what could what could go right with that But i went through this one just because of what the topic was and i wanted to see how it sounded something you know. You just wanna make sure you weren't being su crazy astle creaky. I'm like are you listening to the podcast back. And i sounded like i'd sounded like some gags himself righteous asshole self-righteous dribble all over the place Talking about how. Great talking about how great i was. Nobody wants to hear that and it was just awful. I was like i'm not gonna publish that one. Yeah so. I deleted it so now. We're here all right now. We're here like this whole thing. Like i big deal thing. We were talking about it. It's a big deal rate in Should i tell them what we were talking about. Or i mean if you're willing to risk being a self righteous asshole go like okay so celebrated twenty one years of sobriety right. Which was a big deal mike castle. Yeah but it was a big deal but at the same time like i wanna do this podcast. Where like to help people and do all this stuff and it didn't come out that way. Yeah he came out like me talking. About how great it was being sober for twenty one years like everybody else. That's not that's not really great solution to that. No these depressing things. Listen to it. And i'm like you. If i was listening to that i would not want to get sober based on the story was yeah so yeah i deleted all right So anyway so we're here. We're just kind of talking today. That's cool things coming. We've got a couple episodes coming up that. I think you're going to be fun but i gotta do a little more research in their own. Try something i wanna do. I'll talk to you when we're out on the air about it pay way we could kinda of pool a prank and talking about it. Not me all right well. I'm sure this is fascinating for everybody listening to this right now. Right but we were mentioning. We were mentioning earlier about folger's coffee commercials. Yes and there's this one. I don't know if it's just on the internet or not because i've seen it the only place i've ever seen. It is on instagram browsing instagram stories on easter graham do that. Yes you browse your friends. They can't see me. I mean i don't do that. But i know that people do that. Pops up right in that pops up in an pops up. Your curry comes through the nevada box. There's a lot of fucking ads. But there's this folger's ed pumpkin and this guy getting up super early in the morning and french pressing folders making folger's french yes my question since you have a french prince who the fuck uses a french price. For the only reason. I could think anybody would make folger's french press is if they desperately needed a cup of coffee and had no other way of making otherwise like a french settlement commercial. Because you've got the sun coming up guys give me. It's kid ready the front you know when it's like he did like lexus. His his mr coffees away. You know in a in a fucking cabinet somewhere. Mr cocky got a target rate. Yacky bugs things like this. This folger's is so good. I don't wanna. I don't wanna have my mister copy. Take anything away from it. Newt we're going to go french press. I'm gonna fully experience. This wonderful folger's coffee and i got news for you. This isn't news you know this. Forgers is is okay. It's like it's like if if olympic let me think of an analogy. Say something entertaining. While i think what two hundred is one of those coffee. Yoder's begets coffee yards. The only time i've ever joined folders. Who is when it's out of one of those big ads coffee. Yep it's prayed in those big ass coffee urns right or or if you know when i used to drink a lot of folger's i this office job rick and auditing you see. That's the other place. A lot of folder officejet. yes. I had this job. I all day auditing meta data cannot tell you how boring that she didn't was. Yeah off at the only way i was able to get through. It was to stream a stream. Recordings of like like jam bands was really into answer. I remember when he react. Champions yes i i would. I would stream recording. These live shows. And i would drink like a couple of pots of full and everybody in the office. Would li i was. I was a fricken intern. I'm like this one twenty year old guy in the office and everybody else's sporty and as he backs old at the time when you like twenty thought somebody that was like forty year. Old mid thirties grows and so the guy in his mid thirties. With look at me and be like man. You get a lot of coffee. Maybe you shouldn't drink so much coffee and in my head like whatever you pussy ass bitch thirties. If if i drink a full cada coffee in it like i did. I can stretch won out over the day and be alright. But if i drink coffee over the course like two hours like i used to. I had that job i would. I would just be all jittery and sick and fucked up. And i wouldn't sleep gross. I get that way after. I drink coffee like if i sound old now but if very drink coffee after certain pointing out before you continue i want to assure you are. I know continue. Yes i am. Wha anyway if i drink coffee at after a certain pointing today safe i drink a cup of coffee like sometimes. I have done this in a long time. There'd be nitrite six o'clock. I'll have a cup of coffee fact six three hours whatever beasley by a couple of weeks ago. I had a cup of coffee in six o'clock tonight Up until i win third staring at in bed staring at might see by going. This is awful. The ducks couldn't go to sleep. And i i remember. I was thinking that it made me think back to a time where i was like you all day. Coffee rockstars fucking coax. You know what. I mean might all day too. I remember used to hang out fucking in like six seven. Eight o'clock at night. Just fucking down in large starbucks gravies just black straight yet large you know and then take certain. Yeah but anyway we were just and then you know we go our separate ways go home sleep like a fucking baby. That's where i started learning that. I can see i sleep like i wouldn't go to sleep until i went very next morning like six. Yeah it's a bummer. So that's where i learned okay. I'm an only drink coffee in the morning right. And they started only drinking coffee in the morning. And that's what i've been doing for like two or three cups in the morning. If i'm waking up and i'm super groggy too. It's like kind of what i do kind of thing. I have a cup in the morning before. He to go to oregon outward right. But i but i can't like the other night showed me. I can't be drinking coffee. it's a night then. I'm waiting to present an sitting there. Fucking looking at mike ceiling. And i'm like i really wish there was something entertaining on the ceiling. He's just pitch-black. Get up the next morning. You're tired in karachi. What's going on you folger's in french. Which is the most yeah. It's ridiculous maybe it reminds me of how bad like like just reminded me of like how bad people do how bad people are at advertising. You know what. I mean like like one that bothers me. I mentioned this before. It's like. dod commercials yeah. They're the fucking worst. I mean i remember when old spice i came out with goes crazy. Commercials like ten fifteen years ago when they had like the old spice guy and sealer guy was your face mask. Guided right you'll spice seamer guy or whatever it was. I don't remember now. They're ridiculous now. It's a guy this giant ask closet. And he's he's arguing with his wife uses old spice and then a jet flights field for a jet flying by make you feel fresh. Yup couldn't tell you. I think old spice there were like yeah. We had this commercial. The people of fifteen years ago. That was just crazy and made no sense and and just kept doing crazy shit. That made no sense and they're still doing but we're running out of ideas. Let's put him in a closet bring either. It's not like a regular club. It's huge as walking rain and it's like oh the only the fancy man gets old spice kinda thing. Ooh you know what. I mean with pocket squares also. They used to do that. These advertising e every day like the guy that's demands me. now do fancy me. So that's my bureau commercials and gentlemen. Right fucking like halloween jack. Mckee think of it doesn't but you know what it does do. It makes you think that was weird and then spend like five minutes talking about old spice podcast right so i would. I would call it an effective commercial effective. That pisses me off. Yes but we still filed by. Yeah but we still just gave old spice like hella free publicity rahaman by you. Don't think people bhai it now. How can they afford to make the commercials. I dunno could your old company. Actually i've i've old spice body wash. I really spent five minutes talking about body. Washington will tell you something. I'll tell you someone's fact. I wash myself with other ships and then afterwards afterwards blitzer spice on to smell better to to smell i personally i think smells kind of it's like it's you don't smell like anything in particular except old spice which some mystery knows where that kid doses of rail right but my wife fucking loves. Well the mets light. That's why i do it. So i washed myself and then i pollute myself with some old spice so so that talk about him with your podcast you. We were talking about something else earlier. And i said saving for the podcast lords fucking remember. It could have been anything could have been we work. Remember that the fucking we work yet. It ended up being nothing at all. No you were talking about it. And i said. Hey the podcast. I remember that happening. I don't remember what we were just in the living room. It couldn't have been that important. It was it was funny. I'm sure well. I'm a funny funny man. Every word that comes out of my mouth is comedic. Gold was number five minutes do enhance mark near boys in in sync. I'm positive i was not talking about it. I'm one hundred percent. Sure your boys are all or up and had whole break free brittany. Maybe you heard about the whole free. Britney movement yeah about how she's trying to get out of conservative. First of all who defy at thirty nine years old needs to be conserved. Oh well i mean it's a court order at this point. It's not whether she needs to be or not. a court. Order was made fifteen years ago and now like it just is there yet but it was never. It's just it's insane to me that she's thirty. Nine years old agents can serve but she did have that whole melt that whole shaving the head. No so you know yeah. People get scared when a when a pretty girl shapes our. Yeah but now. It's like it'd be kind of sexy. Oh it's guys but yeah there's that whole free there's that whole free briefing going on and and my boys instincts since witness instinct. My boys like you'd be a guy that clubs quasi believe listen closely. Listen to backstreet. Well don't give half a shit about instinct anyway. So one of the incident guys with talking about how he has had contact with britney over the years and they were really close in the. Are you the media region for shit right. Yeah i know like she and jt justin timberlake. Yeah your boy They used to put the p. v. Yes the they'd be like we're virgins and then and then they'd go home put the p. in the v. yes and for all you listening at home i currently. I'm making a like a loop with one hand with my fingers. And then i'm putting my index finger of the other hand through. It still gets you but here you can maybe hear it. They can't hear right right next to the they can't they can't hear well. We'll see everybody like. Did you hear it well. Maybe they did. Maybe they did. I'm pretty sure they didn't anyway. So i mind Intercourse with my fingers is what you dirty man dirty. We're gonna get we're going to get so much in trouble for it. So there is that happened. Olympic started by a bunch of the c word. I don't know if rod to say covert on the podcast out sure. We're there's a budget. Kobe on tokyo in the tokyo. Dome get you know. People are freaking out about it yet. But they're still like way less covert there than anywhere else and then good old florida florida's copying the covert game. Oh yeah florida's on top Number florida bed yet. Well quarterbacks can start dying out. Ken florida man. If you're out there get a vaccine dude. We note you. World needs florida order. Men will always be around because cova. Let's be honest. Kills in order to be florida man. You have to be you have you. Do you have to have some amount of immunity to shit. Some about like like unusual almost superhuman inside of you. Most in florida me and does yeah and so i feel crazy shit. Yeah i feel like forever. Free ten florida men who get it and this is not based on any science or fact. But i'm going to say for every ten floor demands who get Eight of them will will continue on as for demands and and the other two. I don't know what so you know. So there's a funny thing. I'm gonna do right now. We're talking about four to man. If you google or and your birthday you get all the highlights of what florida man did on your birthday. So i put in for two main in june ten I'm not going to say year was born but it's a long time ago. So here we go ready to see the headlines that come up for florida yeah here we go all right. That's a good one. Tell me florida band was arrested for is rooming with the pizza. See excellent yes. You know what man. No matter how much cove it hits florida. There will always be people salting one another with pizzas. I think yes yes Yeah adapted daniel plugging it treasure treasure island resonate and man with little or no respect for italian food assaulted his roommate with a large pepperoni pizza. Got them a hot pizza. Could do serious damage show person. Yeah a naked demand is also japan. Yep florida started with him. Exposing himself at the flea market been stripping naked whilst tried to rob purses it actually said pulse whilst i'm gonna guess that was not written by a florida man whilst so One here's a good one all right. He was arrested for trying to have sex with an alligator by captain. Steve rogers captain steve. Rogers took you to get that idiot. No i was. Just i was i was just like. That's that's captain. america was. He was a captain america. Or just some captains. Who happened to be named steve roger. I think it was. I think it was a captain had been happened. To be named steve rogers. All right it could have been like disneyworld in florida. Yeah so it could have been a captain america from disney world. Nobody was just got the steve rogers arresting a man for exposing himself while. Try to have sex with an alligator yet. You know what's crazy to me. Thank the guy trying to have sex with an hour now but the craziest part of that somehow. Not the guy trying to have sex isn't alligator. While this guy was trying to have sex with an alligator he was arrested but not for trying to have sex with an alligator rather for exposing himself. Karen right. you'd think you'd be arrested for trying to rape an animal. But i guess in florida. That's fine however w w airshow your penis and public nobody cares. Nobody cares if you're trying to. Yeah exactly don't. Don't you dare show your peanuts but go ahead and try to rape it alligator who saugus. Nobody sees your phoenix. I'm a racist year. alligators me. Alligators are gonna have some fun braille. You're the only one happened. Honestly that the allegation rich probably who the trying to have sex threat boy. That's insane but no you gotta be on either a drug baynes or yeah bill. Jump inch to try to have sex or some kind of crazy superpower automatic. That's the other thing you know. Florida mandates kind of weird evil genius. Superhero yeah okay. So i kind of go back and fourteen either an evil genius or any okay. So well he he could be could be for for example or go to my favorite evil genius slash idiot hitler. Right right. the guy had real genius for politics but but then he was like hey. I'm stirland war in russia. Any did it while he was in the middle of another war. I know that's crazy. Yeah you could do well you. Hitler wound up going pretty insane at the could have been the meth. Yeah it could've been could offend them. I mean there are drawn up all kinds of fucking machines to fucking hope to book. Should i mean every every country that wants to blow shit up. We'll come up with crazy machines. That'll do it. I mean the united states split the goddamn adam but it's true but you gotta be a real nincompoop to be like. Wow i'm at war over here you got to be a nincompoop just invade russia but you got to be a real nincompoop to at the same time. Yeah it's got crazy. That's that's that's pretty insane so genius for politics nincompoop. Or other stuff. He was also generally evil. Yeah yeah he was pretty evil evil genius nincompoop yet. All three all three four should have moved to florida to be like hitler florida man. Yeah i i mean. I feel like florida. Man isn't quite as evil as hitler right. But it's rally stupid. Probably i tend to read that one. Hitler hitler did some pretty year. Tenor did some stuff. That's pretty heinous. And then you're reading. Some more in your. That's pretty stupid the same. It's like in the same paragraph or whatever the book. I can remember reading a book about a while ago. And it'd be like that's pretty evil and the next page you're like that's pretty stupid so where you're coming from. I feel. I really wish we could remember what we're going to talk about. Funny we were talking about selling really funnier than hitler. Was it in something about five guys. If i've delicious know you spend more than five bucks a month ask us okay. i guess. Tell people about this. Now it's funny. Yes so many years ago. I want to say back somewhere around the year. Two thousand six the year the year of our lord two thousand six. I decided that it was insane to spend more than five dollars online. So look kind of for five bucks. At the time at the time you could get a great lunch under five bucks you get like a slice of pizza and a soda. Seven eleven from like pizza joint man. You're or or cal own. You could get fuck in you go to wendy's and get junior bacon cheeseburgers emerging. Junior bacon cheeseburgers. You could go to mcdonald's and get five little or no not mcdonnell's she could double cheeseburger brighter than mc double. Yes would have to agree. Yeah i don't know if you've ever got into double had him out of the vacant on it. I believe you but a double cheeseburger was just a big math without that middle bread. Yeah yeah so anyway. Five dollars on lunch insane to spend more than five dollars on lunch. She can get a perfect good lunch for under five dollars. So what made you change your mind. Well because obviously the guys and he spent fifteen. But i spent spent fifteen bucks for a soda triple cheeseburger dabo standard. Five guys cheeseburger at to patty's right anyway it's fucking delicious but what i was like. I can't believe i'm spending fifteen bucks on this. Why would i spend more than five dollars on lunch. I have tried to get launched for than five dollars today to twenty twenty one. That shit is hard to do yet is. You're doing romney's on hawk dude. I cannot stomach. Rahm i i could eat robin and eggs cleaning. I was trying to pinch. Pennies done it before. I'll do it again but i'll tell you what it's like you know. It used to be euchre. Go just just almost anywhere yourself. Good lunch for five bucks. Yeah you can't really do it here in california get old twenty twenty one now. I mean i still get lunch for under ten months. Probably under ten see wonder ten. You get much but i could just imagine you i can just imagine you back then make it a big deal that new you back there and you trying to explain your point that somebody about. It's insane to get from where five bucks. Why don't you understand that. Yeah trying to prove your point. Yes yes yeah. That's funny. I will give examples of great lunches. They could get for people. Just look at you like fucking mind. Yeah lose my shit over how somebody else spent seven dollars on their lunch. Maybe they wanted to spend seven bucks media their budget. Yeah i noticing we do this. Podcast messes garage. Changed the title podcast. Max's garage you mean. Finally we're going to do something with max's name. My dad a glorious day dodd. But i notice he got a brand new leaf blower got a brand new leaf floor. Do you want me to blow the mike. No okay no here reminds me of the skid. I saw skied. Trevor waller hugues malaria stuff. When you get a two year. Old trevor wall. He is absolutely hilarious. Yes he has his video guy gets leaf blower for the first time. This guy waking up at six o'clock in the morning to go blow please eternally lord. There's no but leaves leaves right next to neighbors window in the morning and they just had this vision of doing that with your like you. Just go out to your driveway. Nothing out the diplo's years having it onto like seven o'clock in the morning you be like hey neighbor See i would never do that. And i'll tell you why very simple reason. I'm not a complete faster you have to be a complete bastard usually relief blower before nine in the morning. I think there's a law right. I think i think. I know where i grew up. There was a law but it was the cup seven in the morning right so seven in the morning you could turn on your ass power tools but still in my neighborhood. Nobody was faster to reveal valley. I wasn't stiffer nevado. That didn't matter it didn't matter not would be on at seven thirty motherfuckers. It's thirty yeah. Seven o'clock in cal- in valley. It's illegal to do it's loud l. Any town in the world could pass this ordinance shit before seven in the morning i think another reason you should be the orden. It should be just no shows without shit between like nine at night at seven in the morning. Nine magnitude little ridiculous. What people are starting to go to bed at ten. Maybe tense fit. How would you feel. I'm gonna throw hypothetical it's nine o'clock at night. You're chilling out. You're not going to bed. You're just watching some tv. Whatever you just chill out your next door neighbor start using a leaf blower right fuck next to your window like i won't ask how wonder why he's going to nine o'clock at night. It's pretty fucking dark. Uncrowded night. This year i was out of nine o'clock least last year and i could see the leaves just fine for sure. While i was walking my dog. I could see your poop to picked it up no problem another time night. Another time of year. I would have to bring flashlights. I can see your poop to pick it up. He doesn't glow. It does not club as we to get immediate. They did invent something where dogs compete. Night you take him out for a walk globes. Oh yeah that would be perfectly safe radioactive that radioactive save radioactive you. Give them like I you give him something. That's not harmful to dogs but it makes your poop gone. I'm telling you there's a market for it. actually honestly you could probably give them a probiotic. That's what i mean. It has some kind of bacteria that glows. Yeah i'm a fucking marketing gene. I'm an invasion. Be doing delivery conscience. I'm gonna patent concept for this delayed. I'm giving it to you for free and you know we live. We live two hours north of silicon valley. Yeah there's no traffic could also we could get the fucking some super biotech guy. Great some billionaire. Yes and we would be the ceo. I don't wanna be i'm already. Ceo some yep but you could be a ceo of gloria company. We just call it the beck lows. We could we could. We could name the company the glowing poop company and our product would be name glow. Pet sake say it. Better be penn safe right. Don't give me be. That's don't give it to cap you don't wanna you don't wanna see the litterbox glow. That'd be weird. Yeah but honestly cats every now and then they're gonna get into your dog's food true. You dog gets distracted. There's still a few kibbles in the bulk. that's going to swoop in and take a break ethical anyway. I don't give fuck it. My cats love. Dogs lurks cat for cats. Cats are appeared be referred in your face so imagine if he gave him poop low. Thirty time fritter farted in my mouth. You think if i gave critter poop low and she started in my mouth i would end up having glowing boop no just be an awful off base. It was burn my sinuses. It like scorched my taste buds. On what's like having it was it was different. I've had. I've had that. I've done both. They were both really awful but unique. Sure yeah kobe. Kobe is like having what i had it. A super bad chest cold. Yeah i had. I had a. I think i got it right when everything started. Yeah i think. I got it like in the very very beginning i it was. It was really going through this area. Real happy blake and jane. I wouldn't wish damage and anyway so so that so that happened but then like when my cat forwarded in my mouth instead of being like a really bad chest cold right it was as if something with the worst poops in the world farted directly into my open mouth. That's what it was like so what you do so what we do. We make the poop right with biotech guy rich. Ceo guy ever. That's going to be and then then we come up with carrot. We good spin to make their farts smell yet. A different probiotics and we could call it poo or second globe we got. We're gonna be. the poop. company says it will market the big would would be see see. I'm a fucking marketing. Yeah the big one would be human yet. Oh yeah everybody's gonna want there to be better. Yeah that way people stopped getting french. Roast minimize yeah. That's the thing apparently indeed coffee them so if we developed our pro antibiotic where you wouldn't have to do that. We just had the waivers got. Yeah right french roads flavor. You want you poop to smell like french road. Take a pill hazel exactly see. That would be lovely. Yeah and like people walk into a bathroom and they'd be like oh. Wow so they can use them. Yeah he does was like french road. Yeah that's that's pretty nice. I like it right. We would have the market cornered. Think the market for for what we're talking about now so tight lopez. Don't take our idea please. Even if it beca is still around this time lopez. Typo peds the guy with the bookshelf in his garage. And it's fancy lamborghini and it's driving in talks more about the books in this garage lamborghini. He tried to sell you on his seventy one steps to financial freedom or seventy five seventy seven sets to those steps involve conning people into giving you money so that you can tell them how to gain financial freedom. That's pretty much what it is hard. You gotta precise schooling triple ball at schools fucking tight okay around for years. You've probably heard you just haven't seen commercials in a while but yeah man we would have. We would have an actual business of poop poop. We would be. We would be the barons of the world. Yes making your poop. Smell fresh one probiotic at a time. Biotech company that it makes dog poop glow it makes cat boop and people smell it could make dog poop smell better to the dog glow. It would be better at night kids. You'd be walking. You wouldn't need your flashlight anymore. Did you look and you wanted to glow you'd want it to glow like some kind of neon color you can see like maybe neon pink. They could be like a to win one puppy pill right where it it makes it glow and it makes us smell better berry berry the extra one would be like the next market up. You have little tears right. You have your skier being regular pupo. We could charge charge thirty bucks a bottle or thirty bucks a bottle and and if you want some friction now okay okay subscribe and once a month and gets delivered to your house. Don't even have to talk to anybody about it. Because it's a sensitive topic. Yeah who wanted to talk about the move. Yes and if you subscribe we'll give you a discount twenty dollars a ball exactly like twenty eight bucks a month. I was gonna say nineteen ninety nine whatever whatever sells better and accent. That's our market is where we get. The subscriptions can people. Don't want to be all talk and going to the store and asking somebody fiat coupe. Blow right right so you just haven't ship in st box. Nineteen bucks a month forty bucks a month but the next year up next year up is to glow that smells bottle. Forty two bucks a month. Yes if you get a once a month it's thirty five bucks then. We develop something else to were. Not only fucking smells good. It glows. we need a third thing charge so we opo no more. Diarrhea comes out the perfect consistency every time. There you go. That was 'cause dogs. Get diarrhea the diarrhea on the carpet right. And that's a pain in the ass. Clean up there. You know the next year up would be that that would be like fifty bucks. There'd be fifty bottle. Yeah forty nine bucks a month if you don't want to if you don't want to go to store tell somebody your bowel movements. Yep then we're just making month yeah. We just do these little advertises on facebook and instagram. Showing a dog poop short glow in the dark bill before and after shot yet. The dog poops. Yeah yeah i like it. That's our company before another shot of people smelling dog poops. Yeah or people walking into a bathroom. After somebody goes right walking. You be my old stuff. Hazelnut coffee yes you know. Everybody's had that experience. You're you're at a place one of those places with just like the single bathroom you go into restaurants or yea liquor restaurant you come out you come out we ask somebody or or you gotta dump and you're like normally. I wouldn't do this. But you know i have to be right now but but like so normally you like i was terrible and then you wash your hands and you're about to step outside and say that little prayer. Nobody's out there waiting right right the open the door and there's some pretty girl they don't have a little restaurant. They don't have a men's room in a women's room that just have the one the one room. Don't yeah so she's she goes in after the and you're like and you're like you're embarrassed. Leave your go that smell. Yeah exactly. i get gap. so so. here's the commercial right right. The commercial the commercial is that except except instead of instead of being embarrassed. When you open door you see the girl you open the door. He see the girl. You walk away with confidence. Maybe tip your hat. Yes and a good day to you lady. If she walks in takes Takes some with smiles and looks back to you all like appreciative like now. That's a real gentleman. Yeah bernard Yeah exactly all right there. we go. we're going to. We're going to be the vision for gonna be in the poop business anyway. That's our show for today. Hoping i liked it. Tell friend about our podcasts. And tell us what you think about too makes time. America's don't shake yourself you do all right bye-bye.

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Show Me Your Friends and I'll Show You Your Future | Taylor Steele and Rob Machado: Founder, Solento Tequila & Pro Surfer | #ThePlaybook 409

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Show Me Your Friends and I'll Show You Your Future | Taylor Steele and Rob Machado: Founder, Solento Tequila & Pro Surfer | #ThePlaybook 409

"This is a legend edition of the playbook. We have the legend of surfing rob machado. And the legend of filmmaking taylor. steel and both are the founders of cilento tequila. We gotta talk about how important our parental influences and friendship. Join me for all of this and more on the playbook. This is entrepreneurs the playbook each week. I bring you some of the greatest celebrities and entrepreneurs to talk about their personal and professional playbook to success in what made them. Champions are on the field and in the boardroom. I'm your host david. Meltzer have two neighbors of mind rob machado. He's a professional surfer. If you didn't own taylor. Steel founder of cilento tequila to great entrepreneurs and two great personalities. Welcome to the playbook you guys thank you for having us. Yeah you know the whole worlds colliding worlds collide in you see how we grow up in a certain area blocks away from each other. Everyone has their differences in where they went in their career. And somehow we all have back merged together and I call it a crossover world. We're athletes celebrities entertainers rappers billionaires millionaires. And now even entrepreneurs are celebrities. You know rob when you started surfing. Did you have any idea that it would lead to you. Being a brand in a celebrity. Absolutely not you know. Like just the fact that i can go surfing and get paid. You know like my first sponsor. Paid me five hundred bucks a month than i thought i was. Just i was winning. I was you know as by my friends. Pete's was killing it and but you know back then it was all about it was all about. You know you work for a brand. They basically were like all right. We're gonna send you on this trip. Get a photo. We're going to run an ad in a magazine and in. You're like wow magazine. This is so sick and you worked for the brand. And that's now kind of the whole script has kind of flipped and and the individuals have become brands and you now you the there's partnerships sentence it's just a neat little evolution really and then on the other side to taylor you know you and i have had a distinguished. Let's say professions your award award winning filmmaker and somehow now the script has flipped once again. You're your own brand. The filmmaking businesses changed dramatically and. You're also an entrepreneur. With what i consider to be the best organic tequila out there for you when you were younger. Did you see your passion turning around as it has beyond just being a traditional filmmaker. Great filmmaker of surfing into this eclectic iconic brand yourself. Yeah the whole brand side of it. I think i was aware of early on With why sorta used by name prevalent in entitles the movie. I would My whole name. in there and that was almost to be hired by these big brands. That rob was talking about that. Were sponsoring him. The billabong quicksilver. My goal is to make a surf movie and then be hired by these brands. But my movies sort of took off. And i was able to just that as own brand going forward I wrote that roller coaster all the way through the whole dvd world into oblivion when it went to youtube and bit bittorrent and all these other things and basically videos became disposable and so i had to reinvent myself and start making commercials for brands and follow that journey. And you know at the end of the day like i had some moral dilemmas with sort of selling selling Something that i didn't believe in and that's what sort of led needs to starting salenko something that i could create from ground up that i really truly Put consideration to every part of the process. And do you guys ever feel like you sold out. You know one of the things when we're following our passion In building whatever. Our skill sets where i know rob you had stated you know just paid. Five hundred dollars to serve was a miracle But as your brands have grown in. Your business savvy has escalated. Do you ever feel like a out that you know. There's no reason you should have all this and either not feeling worthier or that. You're an imposter of some sort. Because you do get to do what you love your paid a lot to do it now like you think back like okay getting paid five hundred bucks quicksilver right. Quicksilver went public. You know like. I guess you could call me a sell out you know. I was taking money from these big corporations to do what i love and You know. I think what it boils down to taylor touched on this. Is we recognize early on that. We we wanted to work with our friends. And that's a taylor. Did like so well. He was like all right. I'm gonna start with you. Know kelly and shane and rawson. In our whole group of friends we became our own little entity. You know under taylor's umbrella you know. It was a taylor steel movies. As when's the new taylor. Steel movie coming out and taylor created All of that and You know. I think. I like to think that all the brands that i've worked for there was always an underlying friendship that there was some connection to the brand that i've always felt connected. I mean i don't know what does it mean to be a sell out you know. I'm i'm making sacrifices to be able to do what i love to do and continue to on. I'm blessed to be able to go surfing every day. i think. I think i heard something. Recently that fits for you robbed particular A quote of you could either pound nails and do construction to go surfing or you could serve to go surfing. And so you went down the category of being a pro surfer to go surfing and it hasn't affected your love of it For me for me david. That question is is more in the tone of do we did. I feel worthy of being in this career And there was many times that i was with rob and kellyanne in these guys right but like just a posture or like not really carrying my weight in that space. And it's it's important to sort of surround yourself with with people that are inspiring and positive and doing things that you love to elevate your whole game and try to step up and not to be You know doing that for for for only business reasons but just for surround yourself with friends. That are are positive as well and so for me. I've always felt that. And and then. There's a certain stage where i grew into my comfort level of who i was and that all went away and i was just sort of you know emotionally mature enough to be proud of my own accomplishments in my own sort of road to success. Why believing activity you get paid for an activity. You don't get paid for so There are no sellouts in my world. There's this guys that are smart enough to have activity that they love easily and get paid a lot to do it now in your positions one of the interesting thing you know ran a big sports agency. So i've been around some big traditional stick and ball sports guys boxers etc. It's very difficult for them to decide. What their next venture is. And considering you know. Whether it's sidney frank for years with vodka or tequila or whatever brand there is how did you guys make a decision to move into the akilah base in organic tequila and most importantly cilento. What was the attraction to pick this out of all the different things that you guys could be doing. Yeah i you know. The the journey began You know sorta were hinted at before where the whole Surf world disappeared. And i had to go and start making commercials in learning that field and sort of reinventing myself and be an Had that beginners mindset and really Be not good at something again. And and that's a challenge. And i went through that route and i learned how to do it and i i got better at it to the point where corona australia hired needs to be a creative director down there and i started seeing sort of the business side of of of that brand and understanding how to You know get to the market and and win and timing and just sort of understood the real marketing on a high level and a big big company like that and from there Being a creative director there. I got hired to be more creative directors for other brands and and really designing the company and and helping them with their even from mission statements on up to how the packaging looks and i just really at one stage. I was doing a bunch of those and i had this moral dilemma of of just not really You know not really being How to percent aligned with what the brands were standing for. Maybe they stood for parks today lined with but not other parts and and i it just pushed me further and further into creating a brand that. I really wanted to build and for me like i. I wanted to be aligned with what i was at my personals space in in stage and what i wanted to be around and so that sorta pointed to tequila In the sense that. I was looking at the alcohol space in australia at the time. That's where i was living. And there's a lot of macho bravado with drinking at times and that didn't align with me and i felt like i could maybe bring a positive energy to that and sort of help people sort of like get rid of that element and and treat a more mature and more grown in enjoy it. More not use alcohol as an escape from the reality. But more of a way to elevate what they have in and be more present. And so as i started going down that route in thinking about that side of it it pushed me further down into what would be that Space what is something that i enjoy and tequila something that i've been enjoying for a long time and so as i started researching it more and understanding that like there's a lot of tequila brands but album tastes different. And and it's more like wine than it is. Maybe vodka were were there Taste very similar and so for me. That's where i started to get excited by. When i went down to mexico really started learning and visiting the distilleries iphone love with the community down there and the way that the whole process works and how it takes seven years for the perfect ripeness in in the harvest and the way you cut it affects the taste and and just to sort of the skill involved in it all and so once. I had that. I felt that that whole thing aligned with what i would bring in the marketing side in packaging and then i sort of work backwards from that but It took it. It was a. I knew i wanted to do something. And then that felt like the real thing as. I really learn more about bob. Where's the fit for you. I mean you have so many different opportunities. Is this just another brand that you put your name to or is it something that you're applying your skills and your knowledge and your relationships too taylor came to me pretty early on in. I think Taylor definitely had already planted like the tequila seat in his brain and when he came to me it was like i was very much ready to go down that road You know i. I kind of looked in that world Different different opportunities and nothing really rang true. But when you know. Taylor like amazing friend that i worked with for years and years and years and like all right. We're gonna start this from the ground floor and we're going to build this. You know i was. I got to be involved in bottle design name you know coming up with like from from the get-go and like labels and you know the whole the whole program and It was just really cool to see something and be a part of something from that ground level. Which doesn't happen very often. You know in in my world. It's always. I'm always brought in later in the game. Feels like excel Two things you know to be brought on that ground level in newark with one of your best friends is just like. It's a no brainer in to add to that you know. Rob rob's usually used as a brand and percents. He's not and he's more behind on the business side of rob's business skills are awesome. He helped us aligned with our distributor. I'm young distribution. And there's just a you know. From aesthetics of the brand to to the distribution was when was robbed skill sets. Houston is so yeah. You'd also interesting because you guys really I think have articulated. Well your friendship and how important not only your friendship but shayne and in kellyanne in everyone throughout your careers that you've maintain a bond Each other and for you. What are you looking for inner friend. And are you still you know. Do you have that tight group that no one else is allowed in or you still creating new friendships and relationships group. All right okay. We're come down to my beach house. I need a surfing lesson. It's been is there a certain characteristic in in a friend that you guys see within collective consciousness that's created when you guys around yourself that long with each other. What is characteristic or two that you guys have developed or you'd look for you wanna go first or are you guys in fight told you hard questions you know like for me is being authentic and you know and this goes true just for for myself is like what is the intentions in an. How are you being authentic to yourself. you know all my friends have sort of this certain Parameters were. they don't feel phony and they're not sort of they're just for the business opportunity. It's it's there were. It's all about that connection and and sort of what what we sort of wasn't version of ourselves are we. We're around each other right. Yeah yeah. I mean i was gonna say like surfers are very interesting creatures in like i think. We spent a lot of a a big portion of our early surfing. Lives is like this. Real tight niche group and we still have that group like it's like we're very tight but i think like taylor said it's like you know. Now we've we've expanded our horizons and we've learned so much and growing up being able to travel around the world and being in some merced and different cultures and different different lifestyles that You know everyone has a story and it's like it's like there's so many interesting people out there and it's like we used to be. I think kind of a more a little tight little bubble. And i think we've all now realize that like man. There's just there's so many good people that want to do good things. And and unlike taylor said it's not just like oh i wanna i don't wanna be this arlino win to get my return. It's more like. I want to be involved in something cool like i like you guys. There's there's there's a friendship is formed in. It's like i want to help work. Be a part of this business last question for both of you. You know especially as entrepreneurs surfers filmmakers athletes celebrities. Are parents have interesting influence on our dreams or creativity what they won for us compared to what we want for themselves. I can't think of two more incredible people to kind of help entrepreneurs make a decision of you know deciding to do what they wanna do. What support their parents give them. So i was hoping each one of you could kind of describe what influence your parent or. I grew up with a single mom so she had a saying doctor lawyer or failure so for me to even try to be a professional surfer. Not that i have the talent or a filmmaker. Not that have the talent. It was completely out of the question in my mom told me i could do whatever i want after law school so i was curious. What parental influence. You guys had to follow your dream at because a lot of kids i think may or may not have the talent never really take the step to believe in what they want her parents that will support them. Well i'll start. Taylor i mean look i think i speak on on both of our lives that we had very very supportive parents in our lives. You know my parents were driving me to surf. Contests baseball games soccer games. You name it across the board I don't think there's any any business that i've been involved in. The my dad was more excited about the tequila business. He spends a lot of unique good at baseball. I mean little league was a career like my best football player. you know. We went to patrick henry at a ton of pros but robbie blake is one of a great surfers from san diego he He was the best quarterback. I've ever seen but quit his junior year to go surf. So i that right right. Great my dad. My mom and dad spent a lotta time in mexico. And i told them we're starting to kill the company was like okay. I gotta test this out here. You know you know. And he's he's been our biggest critic he's like he loves it. He's supports it. He's a huge fan and he has been my whole life and Yeah taylor you you can speak on your parents have. Yeah i think Guess as far as my my my dad had an interesting way of inspire me to sort of get out there and do what would i buy my passion and he would call me a poor specimen and i i i He's like get out. Get outside poor specimen. Do something in and so for me. It was that sort of Prodding and sort of element that really got me trying to do more stuff outside. And i even use that as my company name for for a long time But you know when. I found my passion making films. My parents supported. They helped my first movie. And i paid him back. But it was You know without their support. I wouldn't have been able to go and as an eighteen year old To all these places in and basically You know make films and so once that happened they you know i guess like as a parent like I think about my kids in and what what advice to give them. Because it's very difficult to sort of follow mina rhop's footsteps because we were very lucky too early on finder find are calling and run with it and so i just want them to sort of be pushing not for financial success but for success in the way of finding something that you feel fulfilled and inspired by I think money will follow that and people like to follow leaders that are doing something that they love and are driven by that but but not not to chase sort of the obvious Financial gain but but follow something that will inspire them and and you know successful apollo. I love our children. Come through us. Not for us. In when we allow them to pursue their potentials. It's amazing what happens. And i i love the nuance of parents. Because sometimes reggie bush use from san diego. His whole career was driven to prove that he's better than his father. So there's this dynamic that i find it fascinating. How parents play such a critical role in our own. Successes in tequila. Been calling a mind since peut abundant mexico since i was twelve. So i'm very excited to be one of your taste. Testers if you ever need an extra pallet. I'm here for you as an experienced connoisseur. So very excited about what's celente does and what you guys are doing. It's an honor and a privilege to have you Here with me. This dave meltzer with entrepreneurs the playbook by hope you enjoyed this week's episode of the playbook as much as me on a personal note. I just wanted to thank everyone for making the playbook such a success. Don't forget to continue it by sharing subscribing and listening to your favorite episodes. Does dave meltzer with the playbook.

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Oil giant BP reports record $6.7 billion quarterly loss

Marketplace Morning Report with David Brancaccio

06:57 min | 1 year ago

Oil giant BP reports record $6.7 billion quarterly loss

"Does marketplace podcast is supported by MD Anderson Cancer Center offering the latest therapies to help patients with my aloma live full healthy lives more at MD Anderson Myeloma DOT com. Justin Ho with marketplace, the economy is changing so fast it's hard to keep up. So our latest podcast is here to help it's called the marketplace minute give us just sixty seconds and we'll bring you the latest on what's happening in the economy three times a day market updates business news in hell the numbers affect your personal economy. We'll tell you what you need to know and why it matters just ask your smart speaker to play the marketplace minute or find it wherever you get your podcasts. Low oil prices pushed vp to slash a key shareholder pay-out live from London. This is the marketplace morning report from the BBC World Service on Victoria Craig. Good Morning. The coronavirus pandemic has brought troubled times for many industries, including oil and gas a drop in demand as people work from home and think twice about traveling has pushed global oil prices down roughly forty percent this year and led British energy giant BP. To book a record six, point seven, billion dollar loss in the second quarter Michael Houston, market strategist at C. M. C. Markets says the company's decision to cut its shareholder dividend payment in this environment was inevitable. They face the same challenges, the Royal Dutch Shell and ultimately I think the pressure to act became came much easier once shell basically taken the step to cut their dividends for the first time since nineteen forty-five. was also the fact that Ben alone a new. CEO Engulfed me. I think he wants to stamp his mark on the company. To, make his mark on the company the. Announced a new strategy to focus on green energy rather than calling itself a traditional oil company is it coming at the right time? If anything is coming to this has been a long time coming this renewable energy and BP I think one of the trailblazers but in two thousand and nineteen spent ten and a half billion dollars on a show project in the US. So they've been sending mixed messages they have. been one of the four ans in two thousand and seventeen expand two hundred million dollars on acquiring a forty three percents stake in light source, which is one of Europe's former soda projects. So it does have skin in the game, but in two thousand and nineteen total big oil companies spend of the complained budgets was one percent on renewables that needs to go up an all Michael Houston chief market analyst at EMC. Markets. Thank you. Thank you. Shares of BP are popping more than seven percent amid abroad rise in global stocks. Today. Meanwhile Argentina said, it's reached a deal with creditors to restructure sixty, five billion dollars in debt. It's already defaulted on while Australia has been praised for keeping its corona virus outbreak under control but cases are spiking in Victoria the country's second most populous state, which generates about twenty two percent of the nation's. Economic activity last month lockdown restrictions were reimposed now a three and a half thousand dollar fine as coming into effect residents who ignore orders to self isolate. The BBC's Phil Mercer Explains Why police in Victoria have said they've been taunted and assaulted by people flouting covid nineteen regulations. The Australian army has also visited needs of residents who've tested positive for the disease, but many weren't in when they should have been in isolation. Victoria's police commissioner. Shane Pattern said small groups that emerged to saw themselves as sovereign citizens who don't think the law replies to them on at least three or four occasions. In the past week, we had to smash the windows of people in cars and pull them out of the side. I could provide the details because they weren't telling us with are going. They weren't adhering to the chief health officer guidelines. They weren't providing their name and their address and heavy fines could be imposed as millions of Australians, prepare for at least six weeks onto the nation's toughest lockdown measures. The BBC's Phil Mercer they're. Black lives matter protests have had a huge impact across the world in Ghana. They've reinvigorated efforts to attract disillusioned African Americans to visit built a new life and help revive the nation's economy. The BBC's Mike Johnson reports. Continue to open up. All. Ghana's Tourism Minister Barbara or Tang Jesse speaking in June at a wreath laying ceremony for George Floyd in the Ghanaian capital Accra. The message to Americans of African descent was clear. If you don't feel wanted in the United States, you will feel wanted in Ghana and with Garner's economy expected to grow this year at its lowest rate for four decades. The country needs new investment and fresh talent. You feel. Long. Walkman. Palms? The Voice of the Ghanaian filmmaker. Kuku Shayne narrating her latest production called artist act of love. Kuku is now twenty six. She came back to garner from the United States in two thousand eighteen born crop. She moved to Ohio when she was a teenager where she experienced racism for the first time? Every time after work my manager checks, my bag in front of customers to see if I took anything and I remember seeing my colleagues who in black walked past me without the bags being checked as soon as I parked my car in the parking law house to run inside my house because get. I. I remember so well, because I was so scared in Ghana for the first time I didn't have been scared. Free Cuckoo might have decided to go back but every year for the past two decades more people have wanted to leave Ghana then make their home professor. Joseph. Is Director of the Center for Migration. Studies at the University of Ghana by three thousand Americans, have retained is not as if people are massively returned to up on a primate reads are quiet. Some are still skeptical about economic prospects. Kuku has no regrets. Returning data saved my life in many ways and autograph things that I could be started to unfold. It's a decision that government will be hoping many more people of African descent make in the years ahead on the BBC's Mike Johnson for marketplace. Finally, Tokyo health officials have found low tech isn't always the best tech they're letting go of the humble fax machine after having relied on it for months to count daily Corona virus. Infections they've switched to a centralized database less prone to delays in mistakes, which also allows patients to self reported symptoms in London Victoria Craig with the marketplace morning report from the BBC World Service.

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Netflix vs Blockbuster Revisited - Dirty Tricks | 3

Business Wars

26:06 min | 2 years ago

Netflix vs Blockbuster Revisited - Dirty Tricks | 3

"Spring two thousand four. A woman driving dusty Brown sedan pulls up to the net DVD warehouse parking lot, she's wearing a leopard print pantsuit and poof, Bob. She pulls a red envelope out of her purse and walks up to the steel door of the warehouse. She's a housewife on a mission. Can I help you bitch? A man wearing a Netflix T shirt and jeans sticks his head out a high net. Flicks customer is this the right place to return my movie, I'm so anxious to get by next one. I thought I'd drop this off myself the woman peers around the net, flicks employees. Hey is that we're our movies? Come from. How interesting can I see how it works? I just love net. Flicks. I've told all my friends about it. Yep. This is it you wanna have a look. As the woman enters she pulls her cell phone from purse. Could you take my picture with that big machine over there? My friends will get such a kick out of it. She's pointing to the DVD sorting machine. Sure, go ahead. And then I'll give you the grand tour. Visiting Netflix superfan remarks on almost everything she sees taking pictures as she goes through what her tour guide doesn't realize is that this enthusiastic housewife is not acting alone. She's part of a bigger operation. She's an associate of a guy named Shane of Angeles. Who runs blockbuster online Netflixing nemesis? Evangelist has ordered his friends his family. His business associates anyone to find a way to get behind enemy lines. Get our Netflix subscribers down to those distribution centers. Tell them to bring along net. Netflix envelope of pretend to be returning DVD. I don't care. We need information about how they're organizing their inventory and get some pictures inside of those warehouses after about a dozen net. Flicks customers across the country just happened to drop by distribution centers for seemingly spur of the moment tours and selfie sessions. Netflix CEO. Reed Hastings get suspicious. He orders warehouses to stop with the tours and yanked down those Netflix signs. So the public can't find him as Hastings suspected all those photos end up on the desk of Shane of Angeles. At blockbuster evangelist is determined to overcome net. Flicks his seven year head start and technological superiority and he thinks he's onto the secret of Netflix success. He thinks it's figuring out how it's distribution centers and website worked together. He's totally unaware of net. Flicks is hidden frapp door. Business wars is brought to you by ADT. What does real protection mean for you? Well, I can tell you firsthand that with ADT the most trusted name and home security. You can get all the latest innovation and smart home security combined with twenty four seven monitoring. I don't know about you. But that sounds pretty good to me with ADT. 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Blockbuster had its foot on Netflix his neck. I hear what you think. How did that happen with net lake so far ahead of the game? How did blockbuster catch up and still managed to lose? Well, it has everything to do with all the amateur spy craft or the dirty tricks. You just heard about evangelists thought he was taking shortcuts. They were actually dead in Shane evangelists plan for blockbuster was to duplicate Netflixing superior website and distribution works, but make them bigger and better and that strategy worked for a while until everything went up side down. And here's how it happened in January. Just a few months before Netflix is fans started showing up distribution centers. Shane evangelist and Ben Cooper the head of marketing for blockbuster online. We're again at the Sundance film festival you see at the time. Sundance was kind of like the super. Bowl with the DVD rental business every year. That's where DVD rental companies checked in on the competition. See how they were doing against the other guys as they bought inventory for their stores, and they moved with filmmakers and studio heads hoping to strike deals. Well, Vangelis and Cooper were strolling down a snowy sidewalk full of people when they peered into a crowded restaurant inside passed an elaborate ice sculpture, lots of recognizable filmmakers studio executives and stars. They were awestruck. Clearly, this was an invitation only affair, and then they saw that familiar dreaded red logo and blockbusters Shane evangelist wanted in. We got to figure out a way to get in there and see what they're up to blockbusters content. Buyer was an old hand at Sundance. Suddenly he took on the air of authority. Follow me. There's always another way to get in. They followed him to the back of the restaurant where a single security guards stood at the door the buyer. Try to bluff yet, I'm Reed Hastings with Netflix. No, you're not Reed Hastings, and I'm calling the police the trio scurried away it was a humiliating hasty retreat and a painful reminder that blockbuster online was not only second Netflix in the movie world it was virtually invisible. But sometimes shame can be a powerful force evangelist vowed to turn the tables on that looks by the next Sundance festival in two thousand five. Blockbuster digs deeper into its pockets to take down the technologically superior rival net. Flicks bought BUSTER CEO, John auntie Akot at handed evangelist twenty five million dollars with orders to do whatever. It took to take down. Netflix. John gave him six months to Bill the website. They set the launch day for summer of two thousand four evangelist was so fired up at the chance to finally move blockbuster into the digital age that he almost forgot that he had no idea how to do that. At twenty eight with no relevant experience. He'd been handed the keys to what was basically a tech startup facing technologically superior rival with a seven year headstart, an interesting guy. Shane evangelist. Former college gymnasts who could still do a backflip from a standing start. He gobbled sugar all day. Twinkies hojo's Dr Pepper mainly, but he had an inexhaustible drive, and he could motivate people to do the crazy things that he asked. That's why anti-oxident gave him the money in the first place and the freedom to do what he wanted Shane evangelist new next nothing about computers or ecommerce and blockbuster had a long history of sucking technology. So there wasn't anyone in house to help him in his deep dive into the tech world. Now, given the enormity of the challenge evangelist did rather well, but the fatal strategic error was trying to mimic only what he could see at the distribution centers and on the website. At blockbuster evangelists created a guerrilla operation of sharp programmers marketers operations specialists. They were jammed into an airy large space their laptops. Glowing on tabletops their office was in a CD part of downtown Dallas, it was furnished with beanbag chairs nerve cannons. A large photo of Rita Hastings plastered over a magnetic dartboard darts wringing his face sort of a cross between a frat house and Texan idea. What a Silicon Valley startup was supposed to look like each day evangelist checked in this haven of masculinity to gauge their progress. So what do you guys have today? Been Cooper responded anything you can think of we're trying boss. We hired people to sign up for Netflixing several states Bill. Tell us about changes on the website how fast they're movies get there any promotions net. Flicks is doing that kind of thing to figure out what made the net books website. Tick two dozen contract software engineers were pulling it apart pixel by pixel and page by page with that Intel they would make an exact replica except with blockbusters yellow and blue colors. Shane evangelist urged on his team. You guys are doing great. You're doing in months. What it took Netflix seven years to do. And we can thank Reed Hastings for teaching people to go online to rent movies. And then we'll do better while the engineers could replicate the site. They had no clue about how net flicks collected and use the data to turn people in net flicks junkies. These data fed algorithms created different home pages for each subscriber. And Netflix noticed when people were waiting too long for their movies were had no movies at all in their cues. This insight allowed net flicks to fix problems almost before they happened and they build on that predict new trends. Alas blockbusters Shane of Angeles. Didn't know how much he didn't know. But what he did suspect was that Netflix subscribers probably wouldn't quit the popular service for a clunky or blockbuster online unless it was cheaper and offered more. So he told his operations manager j w craft to make sure blockbuster online launched with more movies than networks that meant craft had to find more than twenty thousand titles. Practically every non porn DVD ever made. Will it was more than just no porn blockbuster? Corporate actually insisted that the online service stick with its family values that sharply limited. It's options craft had to be blunt with his boss, Shane we had to cut a lot of titles because a corporate sex nudity. Rules, we're gonna have to use unrated films to make the numbers, but we're going to have to watch them. All I whatever it takes craft. He set up some monitors with hoods over them. If you need to just, you know in case anything surprising happens. Nobody's offended blockbuster. Online launched with twenty five thousand titles to get to that number did included some rather unusual options. DVD's fires burning and fireplaces fish, swimming and aquariums. And some rather amateur independent and foreign films, not exactly marquee stuff. But at this juncture evangelist was not too concerned with quality because he was convinced. He could draw customers away from net flicks with quantity plus coupons for free rentals at blockbuster stores. The last piece of the puzzle evangelist assumed was deconstructing. Netflix is distribution network everywhere. Netflix warehouse sprang up it was a sign that nearby blockbuster brick and mortar stores were hemorrhaging business. So bring those customers back to the blue and yellow evangelist knew he needed to master overnight delivery. So he turned to craft. I've talked to the people of the post office to see if they give any advice on how Netflix does things they say we're going to have to figure it out ourselves. Craft learned the locations of two dozen of its rival distribution centers from the consumer blog hacking Netflix, but he needed to know what was going on inside. That's when he only shot his core of amateur spies. What the smuggled photos didn't reveal was that. Netflix is distribution centers. Like, it's website had their own brains special algorithm. Sucked in data from Netflix customers. And spit out maps every six months showing we're distribution centers should move to ensure overnight delivery that algorithm. Found that cheapest delivery routes and calculated demand for each and every DVD. Outside of the Netflix chiefs. There was perhaps only one other person who would understand the importance of this. Mario Scibelli financial analyst who covered blockbuster, and Netflix toured the Netflix distribution center in Long Island to get a firsthand. Look he was part of his job Scibelli walked around the warehouse with its manager. A former aerospace engineer the man showed him complicated charts with performance metrics posted on a wall. When he returned to his office Savelli gave his verdict to his clients snowball. Chance in hell blockbuster can do. Scibelli saw what the rest of Wall Street ignored something. Shane of Angeles miss to as Scibelli put it on scene aspects of networks business model, and it's long headstart which differentiated from the competition, and they allow net flicks to retain the leading position in the industry for some time to come. Shayne evangelist launched blockbuster online in August, two thousand four with a huge marketing campaign and a self congratulatory launch party. He had made his deadline just as he promised anti-oxidants that he would. But amid all the toasts backslapping evangelists new and his gut that blockbuster online wasn't really ready for prime time. The site was crashing under the heavy traffic, spurred by its lavish marketing campaign customers in chat rooms complained that the online version of blockbuster was as bad as blockbuster stores out they cancelled their subscriptions at an alarmingly high rate by the time the initial fanfare died down evangelist told blockbuster marketing chiefs, what the numbers that already told them. I don't know what we're gonna do. We're gonna have to do something. I'm losing customers that I can't afford to be losing because I haven't paid for them yet evangelists needed to make customers what the service they needed to like it more. But cultivating fans will take time that he didn't have. In the meantime, he devised a plan to keep Netflix from advertising too. People who hadn't tried online rentals yet. These people had no expectations of net flicks. Level service overnight delivery, unique home pages tailored to their movie tastes a website that function flawlessly. These were the perfect targets for blockbuster online. Evangelists plan to buy up as much online advertising as possible through partnerships with the biggest ad portals out there immense N, A O L yahu. Remember, this was before Google was the monster that it is today, but blockbusters massive add by had some unintended consequences. They did make consumers aware of online rental but seventy percent of them signed up with net flicks. Anyway. Siaka responded by announcing steep price cut for blockbuster online and sales climbed fast evangelist decided it was time to show boat. Just a mouse click away from a better way to run movies blockbuster total access movies through the mail plus movies through the store. One more price. The Super Bowl ad was a huge success landing some seven hundred fifty thousand new subscribers for blockbuster online, nearly doubling the size of its subscriber base. The Vangelis was so damn relieved and pleased. Then evangelist got note from his rivals net. Flicks. Great Super Bowl ad thanks for helping us grow one hundred eighteen percent this quarter. Sincerely the net flicks. Marketing team. Shane of analysts sheer persistence and a mighty marketing campaign eventually made a dent in Netflixing subscriber growth that flick CEO Reed Hastings admitted to underestimating evangelist and his team, but he assured investors that blockbuster couldn't afford to keep its marketing juggernaut going everything at is this quarter of the kitchen sink. He told investors. When Hastings arrived at Netflix headquarters the very next day. There was a large box waiting for him in the lobby blockbuster cinema present. Kitchen sink? The long day at work tough day at school still stuck at the office. Hey, you don't have to stress about how you're gonna cobble together a meal from whatever's lying around your kitchen. Instead treat yourself to the meal you deserve on demand from your favorite restaurant. Thanks to our sponsor door. 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Dash again, that's promo code BW for five dollars off your first order from door. Dash. Business wars is brought to you by Dell. There's nothing small about your business. Your impact on the communities made a huge difference. As thank you during small business month. Dallas offering up to forty five percent off select computers with Intel core processors, plus get a free external hard drive with select PC purchases. Call eight seven seven by Dell to speak with a small business. Technology advisor today that's eight seven seven B Y D E L L for tech advice and one on one partnership eight seven seven by Dell. As the two thousand five Sundance film festival rolled around neither net. Flicks. Nor blockbuster had landed up fatal blow they were both still in play. But Shayne evangelist believed. He had successfully deconstructed his rivals website and distribution system. And now he was ready to party because he believed that blockbuster was about to snuff out. Netflix. At Sundance evangelist copied debt. Flexes hip moves from earlier festivals right down to the last detail. He hired a dozen traffic stopping models to stalk the streets of Park City dressed in white parkas with blockbuster logos sort of cooler prettier counter points to net. Flicks is red jacket and troops. Celebrities waited to be taken into the interviews sweep hosted by blockbuster and Entertainment Weekly, so they could plug their festival films. Everything was marvelous Dolon just the way that Vangelis did plan. He remembered the humiliation standing outside the net flicks party a year earlier, and he felt it all of apparatus it was liberating almost intoxicating. As they drove to a premiere of the Kiana Reeves film. Thumb sucker. Shane evangelist with jawboning in the company's limo. When blockbusters Ed stead caught sight of Netflix CEO Reed Hastings hurrying down the sidewalk. Stead order the driver to pull up beside Hastings in their Cadillac Escalade. Stead roll down the window grinned. Hey, read you go into the thumb sucker premier. Yeah. Running late Hastings stopped waiting for stead to offer them a ride. Yeah. We're going there to stead turn the driver. Okay. Take off. Hey, read. Good luck. Getting there on time. As the car drove away, leaving a cloud of fumes read stood mute astonishment, the blockbuster exacts may have left Hastings momentarily breathless and befuddled, but what they didn't get was that Hastings had already arrived blockbuster in its peers would soon learn that they were late late for the revolution. While blockbuster spent all its resources trying to catch net. Licks Hastings use that time to leverage net flicks. His outsider status to, cultivate, a new generation of filmmakers who told stories in new more engaging ways. See Hastings wasn't just interested in pedaling DVD's of movies that had already been made. He wanted to make movies. He was already making plans to make and distribute movies. But he didn't wanna set off alarms at the cable companies were in Hollywood studio boardrooms. If blockbuster had taught Hastings anything it was to act humble publicly and keep your real ambitions under wraps time. Warner one of the world's media giant didn't notice that scrappy. Netflix. It's snuck in the back door as the head of Time Warner told a reporter net flicks. Isn't it eight hundred pound gorilla? I'd say Netflix is more like a two hundred pounds ship. That is on the next episode of business wars from wondering this is business wars. And we hope you enjoyed this episode please subscribe on apple podcasts. Spotify Google podcasts. Stitcher. Iheart radio or wherever you listen to podcasts. You'll find the link on the episode notes just tapper swipe over the cover art. They'll also see some offers from our sponsors. Please support our show by supporting them. Hey, if you like what you've heard we would love it. 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BONUS What If Trying to Choose To Be Happy Isn't Working?

The Virtual Couch

43:25 min | 1 year ago

BONUS What If Trying to Choose To Be Happy Isn't Working?

"Hey everybody will come to a special bonus episode of the virtual couch. It's episode one hundred and eighty three. I'm your host Tony Overby. I'm still a licensed marriage. Family therapist certified my grandfather for ultra marathon runner. I'm going to skip the rest of that You can go check out my pornography recovery program path back recovery Dot Com follow me on instagram at virtual couch or on facebook at twenty over a licensed marriage and family therapist please go to. Tony DOT COM and sign up to find out about all kinds of exciting things. They're has the fastest inter I've ever done and kind of funny the way things work. I started recording my intro and realized I had gum in my mouth. What a professional podcast To have gum in my mouth so I stopped took the gum out and then realized that the audio was going through my Webcam. Not Through my very cool microphone so had I not been chewing gum. This morning I would have recorded some pretty shoddy audio but instead here we are. We got a bonus episode and the bonus episodes. I put out a couple of lately. One is about the levels of intimacy. Another was called love since it's based on Sue Johnson. The founder of emotionally focused therapy on her book about the science of attachment in marriage. It's an amazing book. And so that's a bonus episode. I put out and a lot of good feedback there so I wanted to put out this episode desperate. Put out this episode. Because as you'll hear when I cut into the the audio in this episode was first released over a year ago and it was titled. What if I can't choose to be happy and this is something that again. When you hear the Intro to this episode you'll you'll hear me point out that a question often and it's an e mails weekly it can. It can be even Daily sometimes I mean. There are a few times a week at least in session of people that that set out. They start their day. They say okay. I know I just need to choose to be happy Positive affirmations make this thing work and then when things inevitably can kind of be a challenge? I'm trying to say super strength based and not say when things go wrong. You know when When things happen when life happens and then we react maybe not in the most positive way we often beat ourselves up about it because we say wait a minute was gonNA. That was going to be happy today. So there's so much good information that I think will be good for you to hear that will help you feel normal. That will help you kind of get out of. Maybe what's wrong with me story that your brain might be telling you maybe even on a day to day basis and so even if you did listen to this a year ago? I highly encourage you to give it a quick listen again today maybe turn it up to one and a half time speed. Maybe even double speed if you dare. I think I can sound very chipmunk like on one one time speed And this is one that I think you might if you do me a favor and maybe share with somebody that you feel is is being a little bit more Down themselves hard on themselves because they feel like they should have more control of their thoughts. I mean thoughts are just going to happen. The feelings and emotions happen so what we do with them. How we react to them. That's really the key so and I did say that I was going to get right at the episode. I was not going to talk about more things about but I have to tell you a fun thing. I've had a lot of people that are emailing me. Really of kind thoughts about The book he's a porn addict now. What a former addict. No an expert and a former addict. Answer your questions where I play the role of the expert and continues to to just really kind of get itself out there in yesterday Amazon will give you some Info if you if you're on their authors page and at one point yesterday Co author Joshua Shayne. I hit The number one ranking in the sexual health recovery and Australia That'd be these random kind of things that come up which is Kinda Fun and then you also get these facts and this isn't going to sound impressive ahead to go do a little digging on but at one point in the day it was. Hey you're you're thirty. Thousand PAPERBACK IS NUMBER THIRTY THOUSAND ON AMAZON overall. Later in the day it was number. Twenty thousand and the crazy part about that. Is You do the math. There's like nine hundred thousand books on their million books so you find out that you're in the I don't know it's the the math is therapist. I'm not that strong with math but it was something like at one point. It was year in the tenth. The of the top third of book sales on Amazon. And then it got into the urine the two fifths you know if somebody hearing hearing this is very good at math will tell me. I just did that backwards. But it's just exciting things and so The main reason I mentioned that is is the book may have a Intimidating title but there is so much good in there and the more people read it. It kind of helps both if you Few are struggling with compulsive sexual behavior pornography and that sort of thing the part from the addict Really kind of feels like. Hey I'm not alone You know there I'm I'm not I'm not some horrible person. And the part you get to read about the the betrayed It really kind of helps that person feel more empathy and it helps them just to have a little bit more understanding. So let's get episode on. What if I can't choose to be happy are you? Thanks for joining me on the virtual catch all right. Here's Today's episode. I'm going to get right to it. Here is the question that I often and it goes something like this honestly every week multiple times a week or have people say this to me when I run into them. But it's here's the way it's typically phrased. I know I'm supposed to choose happiness everyday and I do try and make it a conscious effort and doing so. But and then here are where there are all kinds of variations the next part but maybe they say why isn't working. Why isn't it working? Or why do I feel worse? Or why is it so easy for other people to do? So which leads to things like so. What's wrong with me? I must be damaged or must be broken and that is the part that just absolutely breaks my heart and so. I wanted to talk about that today. I really did and so if you could see my desk right now in preparation for this we're going to go a lot of different places. I really hope that this will make sense because this is one of these Soapbox Passion. Projects of mine is this whole concept of happiness. I've done multiple episodes on happiness usually couched in this acceptance and commitment therapy model. I like to reference a couple of books. One is called the happiness trap. One is called the confidence gap both by an author a psychologist named Harris. And he's one of the big names and acceptance and commitment therapy and absolutely love his work but before again before I even get to that point if it positive affirmations telling yourself to choose happiness if that works for you then fantastic there. That is the whole one of the beautiful things. About acceptance and commitment. Therapy is the concept of. How is that working for you? Is it working for you? But I want to kind of give my thoughts just from from kind of an evidence based research model from the anecdotal things that I see in my office and the things that I just studied because again this is one of the passion projects of mine. So let me jump in here So we're talking about you know based off of this question of if we're supposed to choose happiness then why is it not working? Try to choose happiness. Why is it not working so I want to go back to the book? The confidence gap a couple of weeks ago. I was talking about the concept of acceptance and commitment therapy and I was talking about it in in. Here's here's where here's where Coming from so if you can't stop your mind from telling you the I can't do a story remember. This is the point where when we start to feel down we start to listen to the stories that are brain tells us It it again if I even step back a little bit further. If we say that we want to do something whether it's lose weight run a marathon write a novel go back to school be better parent any of those things. We just stop at that moment. Now remember we. Kinda call our brain and acceptance and commitment therapy. It is a reason making device reason making machine and it's going to start creating these reasons why we can't do it. And if we just sit back and listen let's take the marathon example if we sit back. Okay I don't have time. I don't really know what the training would be like. I have bad knees. Can't afford the gear or the travel or the race fees or and so when we sit there and listen to all of those things then we get hooked we get hooked by into one of those stories we get hooked and then we don't make it toward our goal and then we continue to feel negative when that thing when we think about that at a later time or somebody else talk about a marathon if we hear about anything like that it's a triggering event. Then we start to feel bad about ourselves and with acceptance and commitment therapy even in that moment. If we're starting to feel bad about ourselves you know. Is that a productive thought. Is it a workable thought? Does it do anything? Good for us and the answer. I mean most likely is no so now. Let's go back into this so in the in the book. The confidence gap in this part that I was just referring to Wrestle. Says so if you can't stop your mind from telling you that. I can't do it story so now you can plug that into this marathon example that we're giving then. What are you supposed to do when the story shows up? And he says the three most common solutions that you'll encounter our number one challenger dispute the thoughts and look for evidence to prove they're not true number two and again. This is what we're brains. Tell us I'm giving you a heads up. This is not the correct in the correct answer. So number one. Most people didn't try to challenge dispute the thoughts and look for evidence to prove they're not true. Two people try to replace those thoughts with positive thoughts. Right sound familiar or three. Distract yourself from the thoughts these this negative story that you're telling you and wrestlers was under saying now you might like to try these things out if you've never done so before but he said however given that. These solutions are the ones that almost everybody will suggest to you. He expects. You probably already tried before if you have tried them. You've undoubtedly recognized that number one. They require a lot of effort. Energy number two even if they do give you temporary relief from negative thoughts. Your mind just keeps coming up with new negative thoughts and number three when you leave your comfort zone to enter a genuinely challenging situation. These don't these techniques. Don't help very much. You might even found and this is. This is where this episode came from as well. He says you might have even found in the research that he says he mentioned before that. Trying to think positively made you feel worse. So here we go. There's this confluence of the questionnaire. Often get and then the concept and acceptance and commitment therapy that oftentimes trying to think positively leaves people feeling worse again. If it works for you then you go girl or boy is the case may be you go boy and then it doesn't come out very natural does it. But if it's working for you then then you can just pause or stop right now and you have an amazing day and I really mean that but if but if there are times where that doesn't work then then kind of hang out here for a little bit. Let me share a few things with you so first of all. I wanted to go look up the study. Some of the research that talks about why thinking positively might not actually work and so I did a little bit of a deep dive. I was familiar with a couple of studies but I just thought I would kind of check out. What what the Internet says because of course the Internet is always correct. And that is sarcasm. I had someone point out that they couldn't tell sarcasm that I needed to point out that sarcasm. I can get a little sarcasm bell maybe and Rian but there's a author Susan David She's a PhD and she wrote a book called emotional agility and this this one is amazing so she even says that you know look at all the self help gurus at the dominant view of happiness and one spread by many authors. Today is that we can deal with tough experiences thoughts and emotions simply by choosing to be happy and in her book emotional agility. She explains why this approach doesn't typically work and she goes on to say in fact research shows that not only do people trying to choose happiness. Not only those tactics typically not work but they actually often make people more unhappy than they were from the outset so now we can understand how frustrating that can be that not only then are we saying Cam and put myself out there. I'm going to choose happiness to give myself these positive affirmations but then in doing so why do I feel worse than had? I not done anything at all. So here we go in a study in this was was Back in two thousand eleven mouse to Mir under and Sabino. This study participants were given a fake newspaper article that was praising happiness control group. Read an article that did not mention happiness then both groups watched film clips that were either happy or sad so the participants who read the article that was praising happiness came away from viewing the happy film feeling less happy than those in the group that did not read the article about happiness. How does this work? When theory is that when we place too high value on happiness than our expectations for how things should be become too high and then sets us up for disappointment. And there's a there's a big takeaway we'll get to that a little bit more in a bit here too so when we have expectations of how things should be then than those expectations typically are too high and that's what's going to set us up for disappointment because now we go back to that initial acceptance and commitment therapy part about the. It's in the book. The happiness trap where it talks about not only. Are we comparing ourselves to those media creations in facebook and instagram and all those kind of creations that people put out there but we're also comparing ourselves to a version of ourselves that That isn't even realistic. You know this is that part where not only am I compare myself to all the other people who seem to be having an amazing life and everything is super easy for them. But I also feel like and if I had those six pack ABS CBN super pumped because I don't have six pack abs and a have gone through those periods in my life where I can get in that Kinda shape. Oh Man I'm GonNa feel good. But so that sets us up for disappointment so there's another study that that is linked to and acceptance and commitment therapy a lot as well which. I thought this was interesting. And this is the one that if we go way back in the beginning of some of the podcast. I did one on inappropriate thought syndrome and remember inappropriate. Thought Syndrome is where everybody has crazy. Irrational irreverent Amine All kinds of thoughts. We have all kinds of thoughts that come into our head. Everybody has them and that's the number one tenant of inappropriate thoughts and number two. Is that just because you have. A thought does not mean that is who you are if I think about running my car into the other lane of traffic. Sometimes it's just a thought that popped in my head. I have no plans doing it. It doesn't make me psychotic or need to check myself into a mental institution and number three. The third tenant of Inappropriate Thought Syndrome is that thought suppression. Doesn't work so then telling myself I need to stop thinking that is only going to make. I always say my brain throw a little sign up. That says this this thing right here and I think on that episode. I've got a few people kind of bring this up too because they didn't realize that maybe they did that to that. Other people did this but mine is up somewhere and high building I always think. Oh my Gosh I could just jump jump right now and get those jelly legs and I think I used to think what's wrong with you know and now I know that it's just a thought it's just a some words and pictures that go into my head that there's a whole bunch of words pitchers going into my head and that doesn't mean that I am someone crazy or psychotic. I have never jumped off incredibly high building and at least without a Bungee cord attached to me and trying to tell myself. Stop thinking that only makes me think what think this this so look at those two those two studies one saying that when we go in and assume that we should be feeling happy. Because that's what we're being told that that is what we have to do. Then that may place too high of a value on happiness especially someone else's version of happiness and then we often can come away from that with our having had those expectations set too high that we come out of that add more disappointed that things may even feel worse so let me jump back the article by Susan David the author of emotional agility so she said the reason strategies to avoid negativity. Fail is because this internal struggle to control. Our thoughts are internal struggle to control our thoughts and emotions actually amplify them leading to what psychologists call leakage so leakage in which. The band thought resurfaces unexpectedly. It's like it leaks into the brain. It leaks out so like at a key meeting with your boss or discussion with your spouse or if you have had so many people that are in religious settings whether it's a funeral or they're in you know maybe a religious temple setting or they're in a congregational meeting and then here comes this leakage. This inappropriate pops up and then they think. Oh My Gosh. What is wrong with me? You know especially right now. What is wrong with me and so? That's assuming that we should be able to control our thoughts perfectly so so when that leakage happens then then you know here comes this internal struggle where we feel like we should be able to control our thoughts and we should be able to control their emotions when in reality they can just they can just come. So it's basically we start getting angry about something because we're trying to tell ourselves to just put on a happy face and don't think these things and suddenly that's all you can think about is that you're thinking these thoughts and then the worry is. I'm GonNa unwittingly say the thing that I didn't want to say and now talk about drama and chaos on your hands. I've got clients that will tell me that we're there to the point. Where now where? They won't even say anything to someone because they are afraid. What if what if I say this thing because I'm thinking the thing I'm probably going to say the thing and the reality is we're all thinking the thing doesn't mean you're going to say thing so the tendency to use these types of avoidance strategies is associated is again a Susan. David says is associated with lower wellbeing. Poor problem solving and less satisfying interpersonal relationships. That's fascinating right so when we're trying do these things. I just jumped over to this again. That's part of the key happening. Scab are the confidence gap by the author of the happiness trap. See where I was going there? But then when he's saying that okay trying to challenge the dispute the thoughts of for evidence to prove they're not true. Replace them with more positive thoughts or distract myself. And we're trying those strategies. Then those are the things that are going to. Using those types of avoidance strategies is associated with lower wellbeing poor problem solving satisfying interpersonal relationships. Study after study shows that it's only when we stop struggling with how we think we should feel and instead we engage with. We accept we embrace the way that we think are feel or thoughts emotions and then we when we embrace them when we kind of look at them when we stop beating ourselves up about them when we recognize that these are just thoughts and then we start to clearly identify what our values are and how those values lead to the goals that we want to take on our goals the imposed goals of someone else. Then that's when you really start to feel growth and creativity and that sort of thing. So Susan David says the next time you're having a bad day or negative reaction is something. Don't ignore the emotions to put on a happy face instead. Try accepting the way you feel is legitimate. Try to identify what you're feeling. And why by ending the internal struggle of how you actually feel versus how you're supposed to feel how you ought to feel. Then she calls in her book. You start to begin to walk your y which means living by your own personal set of beliefs and behaviors and acceptance and commitment therapy. That's the values. But you're living by the you're seeing your own sets of beliefs and behaviors that you hold the ear not those that are imposed by others and by knowing who you are what you stand for how you come to life choices in their based on your values then you get to be what Susan Calls Your Full Self. And that's a much better way to choose happiness so let me jump in and give you some examples. This is something that I've been trying to put this together for a while. Keeping a lot of notes in the little notes section on my phone so I've had a couple of folks asked me that they can matter of fact one even read the confidence gap and said that they really enjoyed it. They get it but then why is it so difficult and it dawned on me that man. Of course this is something. I'm doing every day and have been doing for years. And it's still difficult for me to do as well of how to disengage from those those unproductive those unworkable thoughts so this person had asked me. I just want like a step one or two or three for acceptance and commitment therapy and I was trying to kind of jot down just a more just kind of tangible ways to go about this and so here's some of the things I wrote down. Step one in the moment when you're feeling the negative emotion or you know actually let me do this. Let me give an example. I think this is going to help a lot so a lot. A large portion of the audience that I work with and I'm so grateful for it. There are a lot of MOMS and there's a lot of data now showing that MOMS have embraced. Podcast like no one else. So thank you moms and so- MOMS who are listening to this often in these again. A lot of the questions I get are about. My teenager is are doing things that I wish they weren't doing. And then I feel very down about this. Let's lock him with that one right so first of all so win win. You recognize that you're feeling down in the situation. What is the thoughts? What are the stories that you're hearing in your head okay? And typically their stories that have something to do with you know I failed her. I feel like this is my fault like it will never never be better. I feel like I'm a horrible mom. I feel like what did I do wrong or frustrated with her or she doesn't like me or I'm so annoying to her that I'm sure that I treat her like that then. I'm frustrated with her. So that's the point where we step back and we say what's our ultimate goal and in this situation with with one of the people. I was talking with their ultimate goal was just to show their their daughter. They love their daughter. That's the goal came now. Their values the lead to their goal. And we can talk about that maybe putting together a values podcast but the values will lead to that goal are being authentic so that means that you know if if the person is believes in being able to to speak their mind and be able to share what their truths are their hopes. Their fears their worries. And that's part of the the mom being authentic. Then we're not going to say don't be authentic but we're GONNA find a way to use your values to fit into your goal so the goal is to let my daughter know that I love her. Okay I want her to feel loved. I don't want her to feel guilty or bad or frustrated. What can I do to show her love? Even though I don't feel it in that moment so I with that recognition. That's when you realize I'm hooked on these stories that I am a bad fill in the blank. So that's a story the first step you can do instead of just saying man. I just gotTa feel happy K. Again good luck that can be really hard what we WANNA do. Instead is the act like this made sense in my head too but instead of saying you know I just need to choose to be happy basically. We need to say that I am going to do my best to recognize it when my brain is being hooked on a story one of these negative stories that I am less than or that. I'm not enough the stories that I that I believe. It is true so again example of trouble team when? I recognize that my brain is telling me I feel down my brain record I recognize. I'm feeling down. I'm feeling flat. What's the story my brain's tell me? Okay it's the affordable parents story or it's the it's it's all my fault story or the my friends will judge means a bad parent story or the nobody else. Has these problems story. That's the first thing we can do. Stop right there and have that. Be Aware aware those stories now. We're going to try to defuse now. We're going to try to say things like I noticed that I'm feeling down not I'm a crummy mom or I'm down. It's like I notice I'm feeling like a crummy mom. I noticed that I'm feeling down. I recognize it. I'm feeling down because I'm believing one of these stories. That's one of the first things that we can do. I recognize feeling one of these stories and acknowledge. And I want you to feel I want you. I want you to feel different. This is from just saying I just need to feel happy again. Now we've shown the research says man and actually if you're not feeling happy that can actually leave you feeling worse so this is a different way. So what we can do. Is You the first step is to acknowledge? These feelings acknowledged that these are coming from these stories that you're telling yourself and now what is your ultimate goal to show your daughter love right so feeling is so being down being flat withdrawn putting off that vibe. Is that getting toward your goal. No so if it's not then then. We need to look at that again. It's just another one of these stories. It's not a workable solution to withdraw to feel down to to kind of put off a passive aggressive tone. Do feel that way absolutely. We're human that year again. That's the way we feel. But but that's not going to be productive. It's not going to be workable toward our goal. And there's even I love the part and acceptance and commitment therapy. This is but what if it's true well? It honestly doesn't really matter. I mean here's the thing where sometimes with clients here. I'll say okay. So what's our goal here? So do we want to try to have a jury trial to determine that you aren't doing your best because then what then you don't have to worry about it anymore. Here's the problem. It's not that easy. That's the if I don't have to worry about parenting then I'd be happy story right. That's the six pack abs then. I'll be happy story right. Oh No my friends. Your brain is so amazing coming up with what's next remember. It thinks that it's doing you a favor by conjure up all these scenarios to warn you or to prepare you but instead these stories keep you stuck so so again the first thing that we do we recognize that. We're hooked on one of these stories that I'm a bad fill in the blank and acceptance and commitment therapy Russ Harris even says. He likes to think his brain. Okay I think he brain. I see what you're doing And that's where the person might say having trouble with just trying to say. Oh It's a story because I believe it's true but he doesn't matter if it's true or not we're not gonNA have a trial we're not going to be. Let let me let me take this on on myself. What I'm feeling like man. I am just the world's worst dad. Okay fine you know I. I'm convicted. You are now sentenced. Says the world's worst dad. What does that do toward making me better now and moving forward? What does that do toward getting toward my goal of making my kids feel that they are loved remember? Making mistakes is part of being human making mistakes in parenting at work on her diets with exercise. All of those things so whether that statement Obama crummy dad is true or false doesn't even matter now we can get hooked on it and then we can feel like a Crummy Dad. And then what's that GonNa do for us? Make US WITHDRAW. Feel bad that sort of thing so back to this. What do we do next? So we've noticed it. We've acknowledged it. We've recognized that we've tried to diffuse from the thought. We tried to put a little distance air. We tried to say I noticed that I'm feeling this way. Or and then we try to identify the story that our brain is telling us and then what do we do next now? We work toward that goal. That goal of helping our daughter feel loved so at this point again. The stories tour false. Don't matter we now know that we've got this data again behind us of ways. If we tell ourselves just knock it off and just be happy that can even lead to a little bit worse so now we just continually intentionally move forward and working towards that goal if we want her to feel loved. We're going to put that story. Those negative stories. Were just going to look at. Those is just another thought. Really get back on task. We're going to be present. We're going to be focused. And this is the part. Where and acceptance and commitment therapy be. They spend an awful lot of time on the concept of. Mindfulness really is important to start a daily mindfulness practice. It doesn't have to be an APP although I personally use an APP called head space on a daily basis. There's an APP called comb that a lot of people do and acceptance and commitment therapy. They just give a lot of examples of things. You can do one of the things from from a mindfulness example that I love doing his. If I'm if I'm sitting somewhere and I noticed that my brain is just going crazy and a Lotta Times. It is trying to trying to hook me on some of these negative thoughts negative stories. One of the ways you can do is you know we always a nice can be can sit up straight and a nice in through the nose out through the mouth breath and for those of us with a nice active brain. Add type of brain. I even have to say in on the way breathing in through my nose and out on the way breathing out through my mouth so little in and out of that two or three times remember the pretty cool sci-fi that is what you just did there. Is You lower your heart rate a little bit when you lower your heart rate? Your body's going to throttle over that cortisol this stress relieving chemical. That's going to clear the brain from. Its you know if it was doing a little bit of fighter flight stuff. They had a little bit if it had a little bit of adrenaline in their brains. Going to say wait a minute. This guy's Heart rates lowering. Because it's clear there's no sabertooth tigers around the corner so I think we can. Kinda we can kind of relax a little bit so that into the nose out through the mouth breathing is gonNA already get us to feel better. It's GonNa get us feel a sense of calm and then one of the one of the need activities you can do if you've never tried. Mindfulness is just on the end breath. Count One on the out. Breath count to the end breath. Count three on the out breath. Count for and just try to get the ten and I'm telling you it's a lot harder than it sounds because a lot of times you might get in out your three four and all of a sudden you're thinking about you know I don't know where you're GONNA do Thanksgiving this year and I'm months away from Thanksgiving by the way and then when you recognize that don't go. Holy Cow Katy. This right doesn't help but at that point you just gently notice okay. I'm not counting anymore. So go back and start over in the nose out through the mouth is too. And here's the thing. That's pretty neat about this exercise in particular that there were times for a long time that. I never got the ten I really. Didn't I don't know if it was just my brain or what but I never got the ten now. I get the ten like a champ. There are times where I can't and then again all that does is. It tells me that I'd probably got a lot going through my brain and I need to be a little bit more aware and might need to do a little bit more of some of these. Mindfulness exercises there's a great one in the confidence gap called leafs stream. Where you where you really you spend a couple of minutes each day and you do a little bit of breathing and then you just sit there and honestly the exercise every thought that comes into your head you imagine yourself putting that thought on a leaf and letting it go down the street and that thought might come right back and you just put it right back on there. It sounds so silly. I know it does but basically what you're doing is you're you're learning how to defuse detached from these thoughts that we just felt like were were controlling our world. So that's the thing that we wanna do so so. Let me talk about the negative thoughts before we wrap things up today and back the confidence gap. Some of this might sound a little bit familiar. But how many times have you heard or somebody's told you that those negative thoughts are a problem and that their self defeating. I used to be a therapist. They did a little bit of this and the old cognitive behavioral therapy world that we've talked about ants automatic negative thoughts. I want to look at those negative thoughts as things. Now they're just data that we're GONNA work with so we're told with negative thoughts that we shouldn't be thinking that way we're told things like winners. Think positively losers negatively. We're we're kind of told those stories and the here's it gets back. We're told happy people don't have those kind of thoughts and I don't know if you're if you're listening to a previous episode where I talked a little bit about this Martin. Seeligman the father of positive psychology. The Person Who's written a lot of books on positive psychology. He is the first to say that when he has met with a problem the first thing he has or pessimistic thoughts but then he does a nice job of acknowledging. Those you know recognizing stories. His brain is telling him about the. What is led to that pessimism and then viewing those not as workable or productive thoughts? He's able to just move right on through so again. Chances Are you've been hearing these. These thoughts your negative thoughts are so harmful since the time you were little and so if we look at that a little more clearly then it you know if we think that our thoughts control our actions then if this were true the human race will be in trouble. I mean how many times so mad at somebody you just want to hurt him in some way might be physically if it might be emotionally or yelling at them or whatever leaving them getting back them those kinds of things so if that was a true every time you have that thought. The thought leads to an action. How how would that look for you but the reality? Is there plenty of times where you've thought about doing that you have you thought about quitting? You persisted or thought runway but stayed and stuck it out so clear. Thoughts don't control their actions. They influence what we do but they don't control what they do. And that is the part where there is just now the more and more studies that we we find are showing that it really is the controlling what we do with our thoughts. That is important. It's not the thought itself. It's what do we do with that thought? So let me kind of just wrap this up give a little bit of a real life example then so let's put this in in play. Let's go back to that. I'm a horrible. I'm a horrible parent story because I get to hear that went on. So let's say your teenage daughter is starting to rebel now. First of all I I heard podcast a long time ago. That had a child psychologist and I love the fact that she had children as well. She was talking about answering the question about a child who had stopped taking their medication. And not a child. Fifteen sixteen year old girl. That had stopped taking medication and was not telling her parents about it and I love the fact that this child cycle no child psychiatrist. Sorry Child Psychiatrists who works with medication and children extensively said hey we gotta remember the first of all. That's their job right now. Their job is to try and find their independence. Their job is to try and bond with their friends so their job is basically trying to find areas in ways that they can push back. So let's normalize that a little bit but let's say that happens then again when when our when our when our when our daughter doesn't necessarily do something that we want them to do when they break house rule when they come home late when they maybe don't tell the truth then immediately we get -fused to one of these thoughts of okay. I'm a bad parent. This is all my fault. It'll never get better. What are people going to think all of these things? That's the reason getting part of the brain. We sit back and we can watch that thing. Go crazy right. And then what happens is if we get. -fused hooked are fused by one of those thoughts. Then we believe it's true and that's what leads us to start feeling down. We start feeling withdrawn. And we start feeling like it's hopeless. And what do we do and in the problem with that is that just makes us obviously feel worse now. We all of a sudden think I just need to knock it off and think positive and then we give that a try then. Guess what. That's a little bit hard to isn't it and that's where we go back to that research. Says we can actually feel a little bit worse if that's the case quick tangent. I forgot about this part. The data does show. That went positive. Affirmations Work Best. It's when somebody already does believe in what they are trying to tell themselves now. That might seem like an obvious one but really thought about this. And the example that I came up with is if I go into this world of ultra running when I say at the beginning. I'm a bolter marathon runner so again in ultramarathons erased. That's beyond twenty six miles so I've done a whole bunch of Fifty Mile Races and Hundred K's which is sixty two mile races fifty as thirty two my races and then Dozen or more races that are over one hundred miles a hundred miles or longer and one of the things I love about these races which could sound a little bit. Crazy is how difficult they are. Because it's not like in a marathon where you hit a wall you know. And there's some elevators sci-fi net when you're glycogen stores are depleted somewhere around. Mile Eighteen to twenty and all sudden switch from burning burning Sugars glycogen burning muscle. Then you know that sort of thing or fat. And that's when you hit the law you kind of feel sluggish and you have to power through when the world of ultra marathon running. You hit a lot of walls. And that's part of the fun. You hit one two. Three four or five hydrating. You're continually fuelling your continually using mindfulness techniques. You're you're catching a nice downhill. Those sort of things. And you'll just have these just break through these walls over and over again and so you get to the point where you recognize. My legs are tired. Of course they're GONNA be tired or my lungs may get tired of times. You Bet. That's that's what happens but you just kind of start to just be so president. Enjoy every moment of one of these adventures. So when you know so if I know that I I've been successful in a lot of these different races. Then the positive affirmations really do help in that situation so if I'm a mile I'm thinking of one right now where when I was you know a lot of times. Mile thirty or forty of one hundred race is when when you really start to feel like holy cow. I got seventy miles to go and do. I really want to be out here. Why am I doing this? What's the point and that sort of thing affirmations are often the hey you are? You know you do hard things you have gone through this before you feel great when you are dine. This is something that you love. Those are those positive affirmations that if I do say those enough. It's like okay. I know that's true. I know there's going to be these downtimes I'm going to get through So that was what I thought was really fascinating about some of the data behind that positive affirmations that when you believe the story to begin with then positive affirmations only solidify that and that's a good thing okay so back to the narrative so we're not buying into the we're not getting hooked on these negative stories. I'm a bad parent. Those sorts of things my ultimate goal is to show my child love and we've identified the values that go into that. I'M GONNA be authentic to them that I'm going to be a good example to them that I want to try my best to stay present. Those are my values. Then if these thoughts feeling withdrawn or down or I'm a horrible parent or whatever that is those aren't workable. They're not productive thoughts toward that goal especially in lieu of the values that I've that I've chosen. That are important to me. So at that point. Now we're GONNA use a mindfulness technique. We're going to just let that thought go- we're just GONNA put that thought on leaf in put it in the stream or we're going to learn how to turn to our breeding and get really focused. We're GONNA count the ten to do whatever it takes so that we're not chasing that thought and then when it comes back up against we're GONNA lather rinse and repeat because the more we do that. The more the muscle memory comes into play even with our thought process. The more that our brain is going to realize that we're not gonNa let it have much fun getting hooked one of these negative stories. Okay I'm GonNa let us go far too long. It probably said the same thing three or four times but I want you to know how important I feel that this concept is again. If positive affirmations work for you then you go girl or boy if you feel like the negative you know. It's too hard to just be happy. Then I want you to know. There's a mountain of evidence that says you're right and so but that doesn't mean we stop trying to be happy that means that we start trying to defuse from the negative feelings because that is going to lead to a feeling of I mean quite frankly it is going to lead to a feeling of being more control and have been able to be more present and mindful in to embrace the the goals in positive things in your life which for many equates to happiness it does and then to know that a long journey that there will be days or they're going to be times throughout the day where you are feeling that happiness and other times where you quickly get hooked on another thought you start believing in one of these stories and now imagine being able to say recognize that in the moment and then step back and say okay. I see what you're doing brain. I'm believing this story that I'm a horrible parent. That one's not very conducive to my goal especially based on my values. So I'm going to just put that one on a leaf and floated down the stream. I forgot to do one thing here that that was pretty pretty funny. There are things that we think are we believe are thought so literally. We think that you know. Hey No this is my. This is what I'm thinking so I'm not going to be able to do it. You know if my my mind tell me has not gonNA work. We just think okay. Then there's no way it's going to work right and I love this this exercise so right now if you you sit in a room if you're driving your car or something like that tell yourself that you cannot lift up your arm. Just tell yourself I mean I want you to just commit yourself. There is no way that I'm going to lift up my arm. And while you're doing that with Durham I just did it. In fact I'm going to show off to my brain in both arms up even on telling myself that you cannot. You cannot lift your arms up. So why do we believe that every thought that comes from our brain is true? It's not brain can just? It's just firing off these stories all the time so. Hey thanks for taking the time today. I really hope that That this will help help. You put a little distance between change. The relationship with your thought put a little distance between you know that. I'm a horrible person and I noticed. I am feeling like a horrible person. Win There's a huge difference there and using some nice mindfulness skills to kind of move away from those negative stories and get back toward your value-based goal whether it's being a good parent whether it's being a good employee whether it's being a good servant whether it's being a good you name it. Let's work toward those thoughts in those actions lead toward that not the silly stories that our brain tries to hook us onto that we fuse to and that we believe are true and in the sooner that we get this to be more of a normal process and normal practice. The sooner we're going to start feeling some progress toward getting away from those thoughts and feelings and moving more toward. I'll say it happiness. Okay thanks again for joining me here. On the ritual couch and thing in a way with its motions flying out the other of the day grind dance placed bobble pushing exciting news of deuce count off take advantage pushed off the show. Thank just don't expect understandings to heart you. Change strains onto screen sees

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A new abelisaurid that "causes fear"

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A new abelisaurid that "causes fear"

"Hello and welcome to. I know i know i'm garrett and i'm sabrina. And today in our three hundred and thirty fourth episode we have a bunch of news including a new abella sorted from patagonia new. And we have dinosaur of the day erc two or maybe head to depending on. How much emphasis you to put on the second syllable syllable emphasis the seconds. Allowable had of course we have a fun fact but before we get into all of that really quick. We want to thank some of our patrons and this week we have two new patrons to think and they are. Sophie and shane kyla sorace. Shane said i could call the shane. Or shayne kyla source. If i was fancy and i declared i m facey shane kyla source. It is plus. it's an ankylosaur. So why why wouldn't i. The rounding out our shadows are sewri and brandy steg. O sophie pala. Campus kyle are low source the georgia's family row han and richard haass. Thank you so much for being our patrons again. We couldn't do this show without you so we really appreciate all of your support and hope you enjoy all of the rewards like talk about our discord. A what see more people on there which is really cool so if you want to join our growing community of dinosaur enthusiasts go to our patriotic patriot dot com slash. I know dino. We've got a follow up from one of our listeners. This week from bruce who told us after listening to last week's episode about the cannibalistic tarantulas. And specifically the holes in the draw the whole in the jaw got punctured all the way through presumably by being bitten in the face by another toronto sore. So bruce has a friend who had a cream lab puppy tried to get an older dog food. The two dogs live together and older dog. Bit the puppy hard enough to knock out a tooth. And as bruce said wait for it left a hole in the jaw. Luckily the dog has recovered. But the whole is still there and partially healed. Just like the tha ramseur is so crazy. I mean dogs to have strong bite forces. But i didn't realize they were strong enough to bite holes through each other's phones when they still had meat on those boats. That puppy has never gone for the wrong food bowl since so they said that's great but also kind of traumatic and terrible but i'm glad that the dog has keeled and his doing better. Be a picture on. The dog. looks very happy. that's good. Dogs are very resilient that way they lose limbs and they seem to not even notice. So what's a pesky one little hole and job that's nothing but that's really interesting. Because i had assumed this was kind of crazy thing that only would happen with something like tyrannosaur with really strong bite force in those extra sharp teeth and everything. But i guess you know the jawbone scale with the size of the bite force of the jaw so any animal is biting another animal in the face Maybe if it has teeth can do something like this squad. Humans don't do this yes. I been bitten on my jaw. I don't think period and definitely not strong enough by to cause any damage. Thanks for that feedback is really interesting. And onto our news new all dams prehistoric who has avoid for it. The first piece we have is that new abella which seems to be a pretty close relative to karna torres actually as a lot of l. bells hordes. Are i guess. But this one was written by frederico jonah cini and others and published in. jvp as expected for annabella sword. It's a carnivorous bipedal. Theropod it was found in the new ken province in argentina specifically patagonia the place that i was rambling about the other day. This was in the bajo de la carpet formation which puts it in the santoni on or about eighty five million years ago plus or minus one or two million years which means. It's quite a bit earlier than carnivorous. But still sort of in the normal rain for annabella horrid its full name is lou culkin allio cranium assists and lou culkin is mccoo duncan for quote one who scares or causes fear that was all over the headlines the dinosaur who causes fear i mean that seems like a very general term that you could use for basically any theropod that's dog sized or larger Would cause fear the considering. They had the sort of attitude where they would bite holes in each other's faces. You know that it's fear causing trail. It's one of the bigger ones in the ecosystem. Yeah this i mean this. One was only about sixteen feet long so it might not. I don't know it does seem particularly scary. Nothing about it seems all that scary but yeah i mean as far as a sixteen foot long carnivorous probably fast moving animal would definitely call some fear and then the species name. I should also mention allio cranial. I guess is different skull in latin. So it's all about the skull and based on the skull we think it would cause a lot of fear. I suppose i don't know it. Seems like the reason they named different skull was because the skull is different than other abella sewers. But it'd be they only found a skull and that's how you define species so it seems a little bit redundant to say like found the skull and it's different and therefore we're going to name a new species. Why don't we just call it different skull not the first time. A dinosaurs gotten a name like that. It's true but it's kind of fun. I i like luke alkan. If i'm saying that correctly i don't speak mapuches so that's my best. Guess but the find is pretty good. They did find a good portion of the skull. It's probably easier to say what they didn't find so they found most of the skull except for the quadrant. Oh jiggle which is sort of the back. Bottom part where the jaw half and then also missing part of the front of the snout. And some of the mac scylla and pre. Max ila still pretty good. Yeah it's it's not bad. They also found a tiny fragment of the jaw because the jaw. Dentistry is not really the skull skulls. Like the part. But it's such a tiny little pieces sort of the back bottom of the jaw so doesn't have any teeth in it and it doesn't seem like it was all that useful for them so they did find a single piece from the nasal to the squaw mozell. Which is a pretty big piece tall fuse together. And sort of like the top of the snout back to around the eye in the back of the head that piece minus the quad radio ju- goal and a little bit in the front. It's a little bit more complete on the right side on the left side so it's not all of that material but you know since its symmetric. We don't necessarily need both sides. Nobody looked like and luckily there's also big piece amax cilla which includes quite a few teeth in it. That's the fear causing park all the teeth. Yeah they're large and serrated they didn't get talked too much about the teeth but they look like typical or teeth. I would say so there. You know a couple of inches long several inches long if you include the route and serrated so yeah definitely something. You wouldn't want to be near if you have soft parts which most animals do not entirely get caused might have been okay around this thing. Not the belly part. But he can't get to it all. Remember the digging right right then they also found a quote unquote possible. Pre max sila with one tooth in place and weirdly. That's the picture they chose for. The wikipedia page is just as one little piece. So when i first saw it on there i was like. Oh it's another one of those dinosaurs that was described based on just one tiny piece of a jar or something but really the back of the head. Part is way more impressive and has way more information at. It doesn't have a big fun tooth sticking out of it so i guess that way. It's not quite as exciting. And i think they call it a possible prac- because they're not certain that is part of the max sila or pre max ila. I think it could technically be an either one because it's kind of rough shape but they are pretty certain that it is from the type so it's not like oh we found this other thing and it could be from some other animal which is what i thought i. It was like possibly a pre maxell. The most important thing about this is that they've got a really good view of the brain endo cast and inner ear by ct scanning cool. Yeah i like it when they do these cans against the all these details about it. The whole skull is about forty centimeters are fifteen inches long but again it's missing the of the snout and in their reconstruction. It looks like it might be like eighty percent complete so it still talking about a head. That's less than two feet long so it's not a huge theropod. Like i said the whole animals about sixteen feet long but still enough to be scared of i suppose as ever come face to face with one. Then i'll ask you if you're scared. I think the titanic stores that were around at the time and the other animals that were around to be afraid of it may not have been as afraid of it as say like a car torres or gigi notice all those things any young small animal like a young titasz or could still be afraid of scan point the authors do also say that it's probably a sub adult and be a younger form of an existing genus because skull would have changed enough yet theoretically could change enough so that it would look like an existing genus when it was fully grown but the types of differences in the skull. They don't think are the kinds of things that would change. It's not like their bones or things like that. It's more like they're a little divots in ridges really subtle things that were hard to spot in their pictures. I'm sure if you're holding the bone in front of you. It's more obvious. But like they're labeling this one spot which has called the caudal. Tim panic recess. And it's sort of like deep inside sorta like where the inner ear is but not quite on the inside and it's just like this little spec on the picture where you can barely see it. So apparently that is a hollow spot in the skull which is more common in lure lures so it is pretty unique to luke alkan compared to some of the other words is just to a non paleontologist. It looks a lot like other bells swords if it is from an existing genus. The most likely one is via via tower or via veneto which was found in the same formation it was actually only found about mile away so they're very close physically speaking could have been friends. Probably probably not. I mean they are in the same formation so they were around the same age so i guess theoretically they could have been around the exact same time and if they're half mile away maybe they ran into each other once in a while but usually large carnivores of different species or even the same species. Best friends so yeah. I probably shouldn't speculate anymore about this. We're going off into left field but unfortunately for comparison purposes not all the bones overlap specifically the max silla. We just don't have it for via the nature so there's nothing to compare and a lot of the skull does look pretty similar. Hashtag more fossils. Yes very much. So the description of the braincase to me was especially funny because they essentially just said is basically the same as via nader Brain cases look super similar. It probably had a good sense of smell because it has this big olfactory bulb and that's pretty common for theropods they also said the inner ear is quote unquote not different than other abella swords. So it's not a lot to go on there but again that caudal tim panic. Recess is one of the key differences. They said that it might show a quote in different hearing adaptation quote. I wonder what that means yet to. Especially i mean. The inner ear is more balanced than hearing. But i guess maybe this is related to the outer ear somehow. I don't know if so hard to see on that picture where exactly it is. But i presume if it's related to hearing it must be an outer ear because that's the part that does the hearing and i did see an article written by. Npr were the authors were interviewed and they said it might have a better sense of hearing than its relatives So maybe this hiccups more frequencies or incense more things. Yeah that's what they're saying so at a larger range of hearing to be more frequencies in other words potentially and they were even postulating like maybe it could hear pray better. That would be a reason to be afraid. Yes oppose but we can hear more frequencies than almost any dinosaur could so they should be afraid to us. Plus we have weapons but some birds are afraid of us is through all of them. That know. what's good for them. I guess or that are or their extinct. If they weren't afraid of us i suppose. Some birds have no reason to be afraid of us but anyway but in previous articles when we've talked about larger ranges of hearing or different frequencies the general topic that comes up is that those are probably the range of vocalisations that those similar dinosaurs made. So i think you might also be able to say that maybe luke alkan vocalized in a different frequency range than other similar abella swords and it might make sense if they look really similar. And you can't see a lot of differences from the outside. It's nice to be able to make some sounds. Identify your con specifics. As far as their filon jeannie went. It's not super useful since we don't have all that much overlapping material with some of the similar dinosaurs. But it is enough to know that. It's in the subgroup of abella. Sordi called four loose oria. I think. I've never heard this word actually pronounced before it could be like for a loose aurea. Serve something like that. It means stiff backed lizards in again. Mahboob duncan and there's just it's hard to find pronunciation guide from abu duncan which is the mapuche language but that is why it sounds so much different than ten or a stiff tail in greek Because when i saw that. And i was like means stiff. Back lizards nothing. Like the other stiffed thing. So i guess technically a for a loose orian is a ted turner in which means it's both stiff tailed. And stiff-backed stiffness. It is yeah. But that's the group that includes carnivorous as well as several other. Abella swords but again carnivorous is at least ten million years after luke alkan so it's probably not closely related although it might be closer related something like the senator and the moral story basically is that the late cretaceous of patagonia probably was pretty packed with different words. Because we're up to a total about ten swords discovered in patagonia just in the last fifteen million years of the cretaceous. Guess that makes sense if they evolved in a way. That was working. Yeah i'm thinking of a kind of like all the sarah thompsons that you see in utah or all those small feathered. Dinosaurs easy in northeast china. We have these little microcosm of fossils where it's like we see a ton of them just from a small group of dinosaurs in the same space and we definitely see it today too with birds or the all sorts of birds that are closely related all over the place and up next. We've got an article written by now. Nick and kulikov from the geological institute of russian of sciences and basically what they were doing was looking at the climate of late cretaceous mongolia. Which is something we've talked about quite a bit. So i figured it was worth mentioning Basically what they were doing was looking at egg shells and carbonate soil from the bion sock section of the doctor formation which is again about seventy to seventy five million years ago and ahead all sorts of awesome dinosaurs like proto ceratops and a whole bunch of different over raptor sewers. also tro dante's probably some tyrannosaurus. Lots of interesting stuff over there And it's mostly buried in sandstone in the past. We've said it's in sandstone and right now. A lot of mongolia is saying so. We often say like oh. The ecosystem hasn't changed that much relative to other places like hell creek where back then. They were like a rainforest super wet. But now it's super barron and badlands. -i mongolia was sandy. And it's still indy. But we haven't really talked about like what the temperature was like so what these researchers were doing to figure that out is they were looking at carbon thirteen isotope and oxygen eighteen isotopes and the reason those are isotopes is because the atomic mass of carbon is usually twelve and oxygen is usually sixteen but it's not like carbon fourteen. Where is radioactive decays over time. And then you can figure out how old something is something to that effect. Carbon thirteen oxygen eighteen are also completely stable and non radioactive but the concentrations developed in the environment depending on the temperature which is over the key here and also depending on how wet things are. So what does that all mean so basically mongolia back when these fossils were formed about seventy four plus a couple million years was warm in the winter and hot in the summer and they think it rained a maximum of two months of the year probably in the winter and they say it was probably about forty centimeters or sixteen inches of rain maximum. Compared to today it's cold in the winter and still pretty cold in the summer. It's not particularly warm in the summer in mongolia but it is still quite dry so it is sorta similar in that it's dry and sandy But in terms of the temperature and in terms of the plants that were there it could actually be a fair amount different. Sounds kind of like california today. Warm in the winter hot in the summer not much rain yes that pretty california especially southern california and they talk about someone like the scrub brush and stuff. They found evidence of with like fossilized roots. And that's very much like chaparrals california because a pretty good comparison might not be quite as sandy here as it is. They're also there aren't any dinosaurs here. Is birds touche. No big carnivorous dinosaurs. Skate yeah makes the day-to-day a little easier it does. I did find out one interesting thing. When i was looking at this because i thought forty centimeters of rain like is that a lot or a little bit and i thought i had remembered that you need about a foot of rain to be considered a desert her under a foot. It could be considered a desert. But apparently that isn't necessarily the case so most deserts get less than twenty centimeters eight inches of rain a year but there are desert's today they get twice that amount. The reason they're still desert's is that it's a really short reign season and since it's so dry. All the water evaporates really quickly and keeps it. Arid so really. The better definition for a desert is that it's an environment that holds very little moisture dry heat. Yeah basically gareth zona. Yes so part of arizona. The southern part of arizona and california including like death valley is considered a hot desert. And then if you get up into the mountains you also have cold deserts in parts of arizona and california. It looks like based on the map into the next state lines so not positive. But i think it's probably more accurate like that authors called it to refer to this ancient ecosystem in mongolia as semi-arid because again it looks kind of like california It seems like a lot of the climates that we've talked about. The dinosaurs lived in where semi-arid classified as semi aired. Don't remember that i do. It's one of the words that pops up most frequently for me is it when you're talking about mongolian dinosaurs It's not just mongolian. Dinosaurs a lot of dinosaurs. Maybe in patagonia to anywhere that's in sandstone presume might be semi-arid at the very least if not just right up aired although arid places often don't fossilized that well because it's useful to have a little bit of moisture to sort of preserve the fossils not too much moisture though 'cause then steph rats but the exact spot testing in mongolia today is considered a cold desert climate whereas it was a warm semi arid climate back then but there are parts of mongolia. That are considered semi-arid today just a little bit farther north outside of the desert. This episode is brought to you by better help their a platform that can connect you with your own licensed professional therapist. And it's all done remotely which is awesome. It's not a crisis. Line or self-help. 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Yeah so we've actually talked about this story before because the footprints were first found in november and at the time two hundred and forty were identified and they found a whole bunch more now he these whip prince they come from the late cretaceous about eighty million years ago there in an area less than one hundred square meters and they include footprints from sore pods and theropods and some of the footprints are small. They are less than four inches or ten centimeters long. I guess that's why it's a dance floor because there's so much foot traffic happening in a relatively small space. Yeah so what they thinking right now. Is that the dinosaurs. Were roaming or there was water nearby. Yeah that makes sense especially because that's a lot times where footprints preserve anyway Snow official papers about this yet. They're probably waiting till they get all thousand plus tracks. Yeah that will be quite a paper. I'm sure be interesting. If a can see anything like sometimes they have evidence of something following something else be great. But if i'm kind of imagining if there's that many prints in one place how do you know. It's the same prince following. Yeah it sounds like a mess. Legs just going to be so much chaos going on. Maybe the best they can do is just say like will. We've got evidence of six different seora pod track makers and fifteen different theropods or would i was thinking it'd be a fun game is if you made kind of twister game based on dinosaur footprints trackways hold that work at a now are actually just thinking like or you could recreate your own version of dinosaur dance falling the footprints you could. That's an idea for tiktok. Don't have any dinosaur tracks near handy. So most of them are just like big steps walking. I think you could pull it off. There's an idea. Thanks thanks to our listeners. Who shared this one with us. On the yorkshire coast of england d largest dinosaur footprint in that area was recently found. It's a three toe-prints of theropod was found by marie woods archaeologist who found it when she went to collect shellfish for dinner interesting here. I think i mean there are other dinosaurs and have three toes to like nathan pods and stuff yet. But they think this one's a carnivorous dinosaur up to thirty feet. Nine meters long. Okay yeah sometimes you can tell based on the shape of the toes in between them and stuff. Yeah they're saying maybe it's megalosaurus southern going out there. That's a maybe definitely be technically the rediscovery. 'cause this footprint was partially spotted in november by rob taylor of you partially spot footprint thing. The weather wasn't greater. You just see a little bit. And now there's plans to excavate it and put it on display at the rotunda museum in scarborough because according to murray woods the fossil is a fragile state and could be quote lost to the c o no. Yeah don't want that carved out yes. Otherwise you've got to do a real quick mold of it some move into another part of europe. The natural is biodiversity center in the netherlands. Recently made a really cool three d. printed mount of their t. rex tricks so they printed it last year and then i guess they mounted at recently. There's a really cool time lapse video about one mile long. That shows being assembled. It's forty one feet or twelve and a half meters long and weighs six hundred and sixty pounds or three hundred kilograms. So is this. This is just the entire dinosaur. They just recreated the entire thing and three d. printing version. Yes yes so. What they did was they scanned each bone. And then they modeled their missing bones and then a team from naturalists biodiversity center and the in school for instrument makers together to assemble these bones into a kit so that it's actually made a like fifty larger parts instead of hundreds of parts because the plan is for this three d. print to be displayed at the dinosaur museum of nagasaki in japan. And they're the ones over there her gonna need to finish the assembly. So that's why they want to ship it in kids so they did a test assembly of it and they're gonna take it apart and then reassemble it. in japan. i think so because the time lapse video looks like a complete skeleton interesting and the dinosaur museum of nagasaki is a new museum. That's opening in october of this year. Oh cool yeah when you mentioned three d. printing it and they're assembling kits. I was imagining like the order. A kit anybody can order a kit put together. Your own t. Rex not this. One wouldn't fit. Forty one feet is large. Yeah they simple into a kit. Maybe we can take part of the kit kit the head or something. Just the skull. Yeah that's what people normally do when they have small spaces or the hands. T-rex hands aren't related. What they're known for true is about the skull so the original tricks is still another. Winds at the naturalists. Biodiversity center and tricks was found in montana in twenty thirteen in the hell creek formation and tricks over thirty years old. I mean technically over sixty seven million years old but you know it was thirty years old when it died yes it's the third it most complete t. Rex found so far. That between seventy five and eighty percent complete and includes the wishbone which is apparently a rare. Find nice the skulls intact. It's only missing the tip of the snout on the front lower jaws as got wada path. Oggi's that seems to be common in one of the t. Rex specimens is bite traces. Its there's recovered bite wounds and scratch marks on the Though i didn't read about any holes in the jaw and some of these pathologies happened just a few weeks before it died. Oh and there's also broken and healed ribs and may not be a coincidence that some of those injuries were a few weeks before it died. That's a good point. I didn't think about that. There's also this uneven development in the sake room in the first hail vertebra which they think could be an injury when that happened when it was young or could be a birth defect. So tricks has had a lot of nicknames. It's been called. Murray t rex presumably because it was found by the murrays couple who argued that fossils weren't minerals Yeah it's also been called grand old lady and grandma pushed face because of its age and face injuries. The opinion seems to be that. It's a female t. Rex and the theory is because it's got a robust build and that a more robust he were female and it's got a large post orbital boss a lump coming out from behind the i i knew you're gonna say that i couldn't find too much additional information on this. Yeah there's been very loose can work on that but a lot of people don't buy it. It's just definitely debated. Yeah the idea was something like sue seems a little bit more robust than some of the other t. rex in there might be a mesler bone there so they try to like extrapolate that into two types but it reminds me of like the the wide walking or pas versus the narrow gate sore pods and then they found out like oh. We'll actually. Sometimes sewer posits walked differently depending on the sedimentary when they're like and things as as the same kind of like yeah the could be individual. Variations could be different species. It's the whole sexual die morphism thing we can't even figure it out for selfies is that we have two hundred. There's no way with t rex. We've got it figured out yet. But that's just kind of. How got these nicknames. Gotcha it's also been called the nightwatch of natural history and the mona lisa of naturalists. Because of its smile. I guess smile is one word for a skull full of teeth so the official name though is tricks and it came about because the museum asked the public in the netherlands to suggest a name and the name alludes to t rex and former queen beatrix of the netherlands. So tricks also sometimes known as the queen of the cretaceous I like that because rex. Meaning king Nice now for some news in the us in springfield missouri. The missouri institute of natural science is having a rapper run. It's pretty far into the future. June eleventh from six to nine pm. But you maybe need to. Yeah plenty of time to warm up your muscles to train. Yeah train thank you. The word has gone for an unused to hearing like late at night. Rut says interesting as maybe six to nine. Am six to nine pm interesting. Yeah yeah that's what i was thinking. It's a fundraising event for and families. Invited to a one mile or five k run and then afterwards they're offering free tours of the museum. Although i found out the museums always free to visit. But maybe it's open later than usual. Think so probably feels more special to and they're going to have activities for kids like fossil dig different snacks and a photo from the past events. At least one person in an inflatable t rex costume as you do here. So this museum. The missouri institute of natural science is home to henry. The triceratops and henry was found in twenty thirteen in wyoming. Like tricks though. I don't think we actually know that. Henry was male but usually usually they're named after the person who found them or worked on them or the person's dog any number of reasons well in this case it's named after. The director of the museum met for son. Henry and henry's now on display at the museum. Henry's about forty percent complete and they're filling in the gaps with three d prints. They're doing ongoing preservation and restoration work. So you can kind of see it as it's happening when you're visiting and then eventually think when they're done they'll probably have a paper that tells us a lot of information cool. Yeah you think. In general dinosaur gendered names have nothing to do with the gender of the dinosaur. It's all like correct to call them. It like sue isn't an it not a she but we make a mistake all the because it's hard not to. Yeah oh but one thing about how this museum came to be because the director said is house couldn't hold his fossil collection and then he wanted it to be free so anybody could come in. Does that mean that. They had this triceratops in their house. Now i think henry came later. Okay so it would be a lot to handle triceratops head so like i don't know long and very wide. I don't know if you could fit. I guess you could probably fit it into a garage but so heavy unless you have big double doors you can get a forklift through or something. I'm going to be tricky to get a triceratops into a house in jensen utah. Dinosaur national monument is reopening the quarry exhibit hall on may first how nice i remember you saying that. It was open except for that. Yeah he's like what's the point but that's great now. There's still a point but that is my favorite party least. Actually it's probably most people's because apparently get annual visits of three hundred thousand three hundred twenty five thousand people and ninety percent of those people go to the corey exhibit hall. What ten percent of people don't go against you do have to like buy a ticket i think and then take like take a brief or maybe a tram exactly how we got there and could do either way. It is a slight hill. Maybe if you got there and you really didn't have enough time to get there or maybe they're at some kind of capacity limit But yeah that's the. I think that's the whole reason. Dinosaur national monument is a monument because of that exhibit hall. Yeah but if you're there for hiking air other reasons that's true that's a good point you could go through it on the way to a hike. You are completely disinterested in dinosaur. I don't think anybody listening to this. Podcast with skip the exhibit hall though. Yeah that's true. So the corey exhibit hall. They're gonna have this time ticket system to reduce crowds. This is only temporary though. I feel like it was time before. Maybe it wasn't enough. I don't think it was but they're doing that because it's indoors most of our listeners. Probably already know and we definitely talked about corey exhibit whole lot on this show. But it's this vertical wall with fifteen hundred dinosaur bones and fossils. They're still in a cliff and they built like a three side building up against the cliff which is super cool. There's like lots of pods or is this one kamera source that really stood out to me. Yeah yeah because it's got like the neck and the skull news at you. I think it's actually may be juvenile. The skull doesn't look that big a cool interactive display. Where you can kind of what the different stuff. there is. lots of good stuff. It's nice people can visit again. Yeah in texas. The city mcallen is going gonna have a dyno's and dragons adventure park from now until may fifteenth at the mcgowan convention center. They said they're having hundred and fourteen dinosaurs and dragons on display. But it also said. There's some interactive dragons. It seemed to be a lot more about the dragons than the dinosaurs. Maybe did show they kind of look alike. I don't know sister stick. Yeah because there's also been outdoor drive in theater with dragon movies so the definitely sounds like more dragons and dinosaurs. But maybe there's more dinosaur animatronic wagons could be. There are some pretty good drag movies. There are better dinosaur movies though. Yeah we're obviously biased. But yeah i think the best dinosaur movies might be expensive to license though. Probably cheaper to get some bragging movies. Yeah could be the maybe get some shorts like gertie. Yeah that was in public domain screen. That anytime i think it's only like five minutes and it silence so you don't have to worry about all that troublesome how do you get the audio to the people on the drive through. Yeah and the next. If you're looking for places to go specifically to dig for dinosaurs and other prehistoric animals saint louis post dispatch. Shared five places that you can do that. We've talked about some of these before. But they include paleo adventures in south dakota. that's for people who are over aged ten and they do groups of twelve. There's montana dinosaur center and buying a montana which has groups of between five to ten people. And that's the only talked about the most. Because that's the only one we've gone to dig for dinosaurs there's the wyoming dinosaur center in thermopylae wyoming in the morrison formation. There's mazel ends community. College in two concurring new mexico where you can take a hands on paleontology course for five days restocked with her. One of our cross country drives see. Did and you're sat on the back of a dinosaur sculpture of some sort of. Yeah think we got a mug to yeah good monk And then the last one they listed is odyssey traveler where you can go to argentina china or mongolia for two to three weeks. They take six to twelve adults. Well yeah if you go to monaco you can dig and then if you go to argentina and china you go to discovery sites and museums i. I thought you were saying 'cause it's called. Odyssey traveler that you will go to argentina china and mongolia in a really roundabout route. Yeah like some sort of massive that takes multiple weeks. I think that would take longer than three weeks. It would probably be very expensive too. Yeah but it's cool. I didn't know about some of these options before. Definitely wanna make to argentina and china before too long eh mongolia Then last universal studios hollywood recently updated jurassic world. The ride nice. I feel like we've heard about a couple of times. They keep updating related because the ride only opened in twenty nineteen east to be jurassic park the rides jurassic world the ride. And then it was. Wasn't there like a raptor thing for a while to preside just next to it. Rafi raptors are in florida. This is in california Yeah so this ride now. They've got new scenes. They've got more realistic. Dot hours in a full bodied dominance rex. Wow 'cause i guess before it was just the head that's big And you can see in the front. There's more decorations sees gyro spheres and some copies. He check it in the giro sphere. Though i don't think so just look at it while the line just taunts you come much fun you could have if you could get in this hang out with kyle or broken jurors fear that's less taunting than and then you know that's the ri- where you've got the big drop of the end right before the drop. The end scene has the full body in dominance rex. Fighting t rex now I see yeah because it used to be like a t. Rex word i here. Something that scares zero four takes a picture pictures. A picture looks all weird. Yeah so then down is it's fifty five feet long. Wow yeah they have flexing. Its arms and claws and even blinking is so lots of animatronic. That's cool yeah i feel. I thought the last time i was there was just a screen with a t rex on it. But maybe it wasn't actual t rex head and i just miss remembering but yeah the ago. The place i'm thinking of. I can't imagine how they would fit fifty five for long animatronic there so yeah must be redesigned. there's a video showing people going through the ride and it's pretty impressive. Get a real sense of scale. Especially i can imagine being in the boat below the dinosaurs. The dinosaur must seem ginormous. Because it's sort of like a rafting or log ride or one of those ones right. Yes the watery one here in a boat. Yes so i guess. People can try it out now because the park reopened april fifteenth. I'm guessing limited capacity probably like disneyland and all that probably but since it's outdoors favor vaccinated. It's probably a good time to go because lines of probably short calling all artists who never show and specially if you like to draw the paleo. Are we've teamed up with t public. We're going to be doing fun competition starting in a couple of weeks where you can see your artwork turned into a t shirt and other really cool items and get a chance to be featured in our store and we'll give you a more details when the starts will be starting the competition may i. It'll be running for one month so start thinking of your ideas now. You've got a little bit of time. And the the competition aspect of it is not only will the winner end up in our merch store. You'll also receive a free copy of the t shirt as well as possibly some stickers and other goodies with your design on it. So that's the real fun part if you have the winning design and they'll also be a vote on who the winner is so. It's not just us making the decision. Yep so start thinking about your designs. Now and now onto our dinosaur of the day or two. Which was a request from gordon and jackie syphilis source vr patriots and discord so thanks it was a some voss spun berlin a titanic so reform sore pod that lived in the wake cretaceous in what is now mongolia in the buying sharia formation so it looks pretty titanic or has got the column or legs and very long neck and it had a really long neck relative to its body size. That's based on. Its elongate cervical vertebrae the next estimated to be twice as long as its body. We don't know how many vertebrate had in the neck only that each one was very long but daniel septa who's one of the authors who described dinosaur estimated. There were fourteen or fifteen vertebrae as on that many for zorba have like twenty. But the vertebral lengths ranged from six point three inches hundred sixty millimeters to nine nine point two inches four hundred eighty nine millimeters long. Yeah so they. They made the most of the fewer vertebrae. Yes the long neck yes. It had air cavities in the neck. And the larger vertebrae had a v shaped notch so these cervical neural spines were deeply bifurcated in vertebra five through nine or who was described in two thousand six by daniel septa and marc moral and socha said quote. It's almost like having a bungee cord holding the neck up and nora said quote on the weirdo index. This is pretty weird interesting. Yes yes it's because of the long neck the no skull was found but or keto was and it was probably a high browser because of its long neck the type species is or kid to ellison i so the genus name is after orca to a form of the god tong rei from mongolian shamanism an irc head to toe injury is the mighty tanqueray a creator. God who called youssou gay the father of genghis khan into being and the species name is in honor of mick ellison for his contributions to ongoing american museum of natural history dinosaur research. The fossils were found during a field expedition in two thousand and two and two thousand three as part of an american museum of natural history and mongolian academy of sciences expedition. And when they found the fossils they found a new locality or guei in the bion cherie formation so even though it was described in two thousand six there were referred fossils that were described in twenty ten and those were three more cervical vertebrae that was found in two thousand three so in total. The fossils include eight cervical vertebrae. So they i found cervical vertebrae one through five articulated than they found a partial six. And then later. They found three more articulated. Cervical vertebrae seven eight nine so good. They found them all. In order they also found part of the right sternum tibia and with the stragglers and kanye the angolan bones or kittu is one of the first sore pods. Describe from the buying sheriff formation. It's estimated to be forty nine feet or fifteen meters long and weigh eleven thousand pounds though. No dorsal vertebrae has been found but the limb material with their estimates. The right hind limb bones found are similar to gobi titan. Titanic or forum found in china expenses close of that doesn't always make much of a difference. Sometimes names completely different true. The fibula was longer than the tibia that was broken at the end. Or keto is a close relative of you. Help is a sore pod found in china with four limbs longer than its hind limbs. Maybe that's partly why they think it was a high browser because if it has a close relative with longer for limbs and hind limbs gives them more of like an upright posture. Oh good point but also just a really long neck. Although i guess some sauropods had long necks and they still were mike. Moher type thing exactly although this one. Isn't that long interesting. It's only forty nine feet long even though it's neck sounds like it was about twenty or so. Yeah that's true but had still very long neck and live near lakes and rivers on a flood plain in a semi arid climate santoni words. Semi-arid comes up a lot in climate mongolia again. Oh good point and other dinosaurs that lived around the same time and place included the drama sore kilo bator the hadrosaur royd gobi hydros. The kiowa sore tele reuss and there is enough. Sawers ehrlich zorras and cigna source and many others. Yes and it was found with fossilized fruits that resemble okra. I don't like okra. But it's really interesting. You'll hear about fossils. Fruits much are. Dinosaurs may be eating okra here. You skipped one senior notes had also says that it was found near turtles. I thought we ended on a good note with the fruit. See what you do you try to skip skip over the the potential murderous tendencies of the sewer pod. And it's turtles. They're probably just both go after the okra like fruits. Or maybe this was luring them in with dogra. Think so you're probably not and are fun. Fact of the day. I just completely stole from susannah maidment in her online talk last thursday at the royal tyranny museum because it was excellent. She is basically the leading expert on stegosaurs so there should be no surprise if you're familiar with her work that the fun fact is about second worse and it's that stegosaurus had alternating plates not pairs of plates like sometimes depicted in early drawings mounts. Which you may already know. It's sort of common knowledge. Ish however other stegosaurs have been recovered with pairs of plates or at least they appear to have pairs of plates so stegosaurs had really large plates. Forest are basically the largest plates of any statements. Aaron stegosaurus that the largest club tale of any kylie's orasanin kyla or us what they're known for but other stegosaurs have really really small plates. Calm by comparison. They're much much smaller. And they don't even take up that much of the back really at all. The sort of like a fraction of the back plates on them sometimes better known by their shoulder spikes and other ossification exactly. Yesterday she pointed out source is kind of unusual for not having big shoulder spikes compared with most data centers. But the thing about the plates. Is they do change size as you sort of progress along the back just like with stegosaurs. The tallest ones on kind of the mid backs or near the hips and then they get smaller on the tail and they're also smaller by the neck and head. The same can be true this different patterns of sizes on different stegosaurs. But they seem to match up as they go along. So there's sort of two identical sized plates on some of other stegosaurs. Looks like as you progress down the back. There are the pairs of at like the same size as you move along. Rather than stegosaur where they're sorta just all over the place and their massive and crazy it was going on with that stegosaurs but it's really interesting that for a long time. People thought stegosaurus had paired plates and then we might have even said in the past. That stegosaurs didn't have paired plates but actually a lot of sega sewers seemed to elsa these big shoulder spikes that stegosaurus didn't have so stegosaurus. Kind of the weirdo. It's kinda screwing up our depiction of what other stegosaurs may have looked like. I still love him. Oh stegosaurus is great. Yeah probably a spike but also because their plates might have they might have blushed through their plates. Yeah there's so much cool stuff with their place. we have big replica. Stegosaurs play which is one of my favorite pieces of paleontology really period. 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Having coffee and talking Smack

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Don't tell me what to do to stop it out with your finger like eight pool and then and then mcdonald's like you would if you know that movie quote a fuck if you don't you're missing out unwanted degrees But what was called the ship golden. She'd oh funding woven. People are like what the fuck is going on. I don't see that movie at least ten years. I just watched it the other day and there was a point in time where i lived with somebody. We lived in the studio. Not somebody like a significant other. I had a roommate. I lived in a studio permanent. And i had a roommate that lived in the closet of the studio apartment because he was big enough tour bedroom living room and we had like three movies would watch had billy madison and we had which pulp fiction and we had office space and to this day. Quote all three of those movies like that. Yeah i mean it just came on. It was on. Tv the other night on tv. The other night was like he called shit poop like when when the line came and fit like Yeah so it's it's one of those movies like every time it's on i gotta watch it. It's an arbitrators the same way spaces great Like i bet they come down you know. Wow it's your date. Really michael poll tin and then and then pulp fiction. Which is a lot of people have brought up opinions tarantino and say i. I enjoy his movies but he's a really good. Truly good is called no pushy. Once upon a time in hollywood was really fucking good. You got to see that. It has leonardo and brad pitt or am it's around charles manson. It was fucking good. It's like it was done like classic quinton term. You know what i mean like. If it's done in that classic win tarantino seventies ish style all. I'll have to check it out because you know he's for like twenty years just put out like really high quality and you made another good movie. I'll watch it. I mean i was surprised by the western. And i can't remember the name of our He's fully he. Yeah that was actually pretty good. It was a lot of fun. It's just based on the magnificent seven. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah but that was that was that was actually a an enjoyable to wash. You know what movie against thinking of the magnificent seven. Yeah i never saw the yeah. I watched that he. I'm anne mcqueen tarantino. I like a lot of his movies. They can be like shit. And i'd be like that is a good fucking winter me metoo. I enjoyed the shit out of it. But like when i'm looking at it. Objectively hoping fiction is the only one that he actually. This is a truly good for. Yeah yeah it's a really good. Miguel away through a kill bill or django unchained or inglorious bastards. I'm like oh that's fun put. It's not good. Yes although i thought kill bill volume wanted to. I thought it was a good song. You white but it's more well that one the other one that he did that underrated that. I think that it's really fun to watch Grind kaos to movies and one those though. I think he directed a rubber. Rodriguez rodriguez directed it. Yeah yeah but they were good report ryan rewrite houses a lot if i remember going in any theater with a bunch of people and it was like it was like you watched one movie and it was like two hours than they did an intermission and you came back from the intermission and he watched the second game at school. That's a lot of fun and it was like. We went to an eight o'clock show and it was done by. He was like twelve thirty one o'clock on the of four our movies. You know something. I really want to see the snow. Snyder justice league. I heard good things about it. Yeah i heard bad things about old cottage did too. I actually watched the old one in the old one is the the original cut would not get. I did not like it. i just recently. Although i gotta say aspects batman was actually okay. Yeah i just recently watched batman versus superman and it was better than i thought it would be. Yeah i agree with that. yeah And then i was like really pumped to watch justice league and then i remembered what you told me about it and you were like happened and it was disappointing. I it was a movie. I guess and so i watch. The snyder cuts cuts supposed to make everything. Jared leto jokers in there. That splits be really fucking good. Airflow doesn't good job. But every he got slagged and he gets flagged in suicide squad right where they left a bunch of shit up on the they cut him out and he was only in the movie for like you would only in the movie right speaker. Total twenty minutes. Yeah if that really. I mean you know movies. Silence of the lambs. Yeah on the topic of classic film silence. Little animal lender most memorable character. Great maybe the most memorable villain in movie mystery or up there. At least he's only like fifteen minutes. It's a two and a half hour movie right. They got a tv show on cbs. Checked up the first episode. we're giving just do. Tv shows and relief today that will reflect a new man. I don't know anything other things that i think their stuff more important than last time. We talked about cancel culture. And yeah like that one. Oh good for them. Cancel culture can stupid. You know how big a deal cancel. Culture is it's been happening since we came to conclusion that it was. it was a form of censorship. Remember when the dixie chicks change their chicks or yeah but remember back when they're like we've like al gore john kerry they basically they came out as like democrats and they got cancelled. Yeah you know this shit. Just sort of happens. Yeah it happens to a lot of people and it's stupid it's silly and we talked about. If you have a check that up you know go check it out. But basically the moral of the story is the price of fame is that people are gonna listen to what you say. Take it too seriously and get pissed off right. Thank god we're not they got. We're not that maybe we can pretty much say whatever you want. I'm sure i have people people will be like. Those guys are just idiots. Yeah which. I'm also if you really want some coffee go to. Www dot my render coffee dot com grinder coffee dot com fifteen bucks command. Put that shit in. My hand is fucking delicious man. So we're we're kind of just buzzing for the coffee that dude you know what else. I'm happy about that. We start making youtube videos. I had fun with those though less so after a stop doing drugs. We yeah you mentioned that before. But i got we got sent sent an email. I forgot to tell you about it but somebody one of our number one fan in in in job yet for michigan. Yeah you've been wondering why we weren't making videos anymore and had to explain it to them and then he was like because of the youtube censorship thing on right now and and was like what is that. Daddy is no anything about it but apparently you can't say stuff like shit goddamn pits on youtube anymore. Offer you can well. No you won't get any the appetite. You won't get the ad money or anything like that. They'll be like oh. He said she got this. So we're not gonna get the monetize video. Okay well i mean it's too bad because we're really breaking down on youtube. That's who that's the other thing about. Youtube is people fake that we were making all this youtube money. We were not making you money. You cannot make a living on youtube about like a million you can. You can make a living on youtube. If you're twenty to twenty five in your fucking team your stuff with energy our stuff was i think are stepping funny. But we weren't twenty to twenty five. We didn't have a boy. I mean there's some there's some there's some creators out there that are between twenty and twenty five really fucking good in the really fucking. You could tell that. They put a lot of effort the effort. And it's like you're like damn. I don't wanna put the. I don't want to put that much time. You're fucking coming up with a video because they're young they're hip with what the kids are up to hip the kids or old bastards. Who wants to to into a fucking forty nine year old guy on youtube. I mean doing it on a podcast. I feel like more people would be like you know. I don't really care that he's years old for some reason. I don't know that whatever. I mean either way. We're a dime a dozen. Yeah i i can appreciate the the anonymity especially in the crazy day of cancel. Culture crazy caves. Chicks get kicked off. Cmt because they're democrats and they had to change their name me because you've got to be inclusive that's the other thing every everybody's the inclusive now see that's also a bunch of i know not true. It's not. It's just not true. Like i'm agreed with. Yeah you know how everybody off. You can't say merry christmas anymore. Do there is the greatest american dad episode of him. Getting all work standing all worked up about people not saying. Merry christmas episode. He figures out that. It's all jodie's foster's fault or no jane fonda algae forgetting all the liberal. It's forgetting all the liberal people. Something it's a great from to this days when it's my second pigment american dad episodes by i beam that stinks. What win states makes crack. That's always fun with people spoke but but anyway in this episode winds up he defamed christmas. He goes back and tries to kill jane. Fonda jodie foster gets into the mix taxi driver memories made it and then the america turns into russia because taxi driver over made and jane fonda was never able to go in be be something kennedy or whatever she was supposed to do at the time of the president to be on for vietnam or or an american gets taken over by raja sustained. Goes back in time again with the decree was passed in any remakes taxi driver. So many comes back in american factor and we still had state. You still can't say. Merry christmas okay. Creek we have just recap episode of american dad. Here on our podcast. There you go. That's the quality. Listen everybody's really good program daylight now but these guys i got. We got better people to let you know the wording on. Yeah we should true crime. Podcast make up a crime. What sturt right now right now right now. We could talk about the midget little person. Yes thank you very much. There's some shit you cannot say that. It's not because over so just. Don't say shitty stop okay. We can talk about the little person that went on a killing spree in your neighborhood. Why do you have to start with them. Being a little person because it's funnier a little more creepy than a little person than all all offended. Worked up figure. People are making fun of little people other easy. Now it's part of you gotta make gotta be like a true crime ide- documentary. He doesn't he he doesn't he framed. Your neighbors fucking up the street. That the big perfect all of shit in the garage of his killing spree. The guy the head up ahead. He puts the clubs in their knifing the road. The road Maybe he leaves a finger in there from date from one of the persons any one. Fingernail one thumbnail. Yeah what male stay. And he needs a little puff there. Oh yes yes. Yes we're bringing back are pop tart. Is there for you. Judge is that strawberry sprinkles notes were pulled work in pin. He leaves him at the crime scene. Little little bites taken off the pup term Little in figure out do an investigation. Tv true crane figure out. It's actually a little person that student kill not this guy. It's the guys grew the little guys the guys room. It's always convenient to frame your roommate yet. The algorithm either. He frames his roommate. Because it's roommate. Here's where i come in his roommate. We've making insensitive jokes about little people. Ooh yup boom boom true crime daily daily left out. What about food did he kill. How many and how. How did he do it. We're going to go with. We're going to go kill. I mean motive method opportunity important. Stop i gave you the motive. You wanted to frame his roommate because it's remain over. Thought that was kind of like he was a serial killer and he just needed patsy but with the roommate being in the room he killed. Hey you make a good true crime. Show i guess. You can't frank somebody for a prime. That never happened. Yes so you got to commit the crime. Yeah and so he goes around. Let's say he goes around your block. And i don't know why but i mean it's we're here so see he goes running your walk and he killed every other killed people at every other house for some reason. That would be real predictable. Yeah after after the first few houses you could probably just like wait at the next house you know. He's gonna say nine but he doesn't do it like right in a row. He does one house right. They need sites okay. Your weight in the person goes missing. They can't find the person. Like you know what i mean like big on a trip and they never came back from the trip kind of peaky all he's a maniacal little fucking little who just wants revenge people talking being insensitive about little people you can just punch people in the could be a little more fun to him. So he's he's he's not justice further avenge no you to do. He needs a reason. Go on these. So he's using this to justify then he waits and then he waits for like another family like maybe half of them go camping one time and somebody's home and whoever that person's home why why the families out camping that's a person he grabs you because he's smart established this doesn't hit up the same neighborhood right different neighborhoods. Yes redmi for all over town. County all over. And he's part of those little people live off of the freeway right there part of that game. Yup yup but he stays always in california. Because i want to draw the attention the fbi and it being so that's our episode today. We're giving you guys. Have you show i true. Crime podcast. Were making it up or does he just do a bunch of different states because he knows they won't communicate with each other. They won't put together into loose ooh work. We're creating the perfect crime. We are in he. He you know about the little people live off the freeway. Yep yes we can't talk about that. I really wish we could. We really cannot know we would get people would get really offended talking about honestly we we were. We were doing a youtube shows long enough ago that i'm sure there's gonna pat them on. I don't think we ever did an episode on that. I certainly hope not otherwise if we ever get famous. You're deputies me up now we're now mavericks of my other my other thing that we give we you do an episode on. It's still to this day. Is i was talking to a co worker. Mine who happens to be younger than i am. And she was listening to narrow smith on her headphones curie and he can hear steven. Tyler always tell when steven tyler singing for erosion. Right and i'm like. Oh yeah that's a really good aerosmith song. I think it was like last child or something like that. And she's like yeah you know. I really went to singer guy. And i'm like oh yes you can tell. He's really fucking good. He's like he's like a genius with somebody. I'm going on steven tyler. Ran right like she looks at me. And she's all confused and she's like steven tyler. God god damn the band. You're listening to the singer. His name is steven type music. And i'm like it blows my mind that people just could just be like. I just like the music and i don't know anything about no. I get that because i mean. Let me think oh. Oh oh metallica. Love the music. The only band member. I could name would be the drummer lars and that's only because i Took his coffee order. When i worked at pizza one time wicked you and and he had to get a large story about different. You yes That's that's it so long long time ago back in the early nineties late nineties somewhere in the nineties aging yourself. Yeah but i worked. I worked for Tower records for somebody were like like if you lived in marin there before there was like beanpole jobs where my baristas easing on the podcast record stores to be cool. We wanted there in before being an apple working at a video story. You wanted to be an asshole working at a record store. You wanna do a clown. Everybody for bringing fucking william rick like that and finally after years of trying got a job at tower records in green bay. You remember when it was right. There were trader. joe's is and greenway. I thought that was a warehouse. That was a tower. Don't go there was a warehouse now. While you worked there you would know. He would deter tower with way cooler than warehouse all right by the way. Okay but working one night. Excuse me sneezing fucking coughing guardian. Asthma cat saw my cats nets. It could be the cats but Anyway and there. There's this guy you watching. You looks fucking homeless. Swear to god. I think this guy's home. He comes in and he goes to the import section right and my fucking homeless guy. And he's like he takes out almost all of the new wave of british heavy metal records from the import second. I just like you can't see my hands on the podcasts book. A stack a stack like twenty five records. Put them up on the register and just ring me up for all you know these you like fifty bucks a piece like acting like either homeless to me right. Just read 'em up. Its find you pulls out one of those fucking black fucking visa card. You know the ones curtis fucking coded you get those cargo. Pull up just put it on that. And so i ring them up and i put it on their in eighth name comes up yep fucker. He's walking out on them. Like hey man i apologize. I didn't mean to be an hassle and he's like no you thought was the fucking homeless guy. I i know where you're coming up. Totally cool about it. He's like look at the way. I'm dressed. I'm just coming from the studio. Kinda look like a homeless guy. All right in mike. Oh you're not that big of a dick after all. I didn't say that. But that's what i was thinking this like. You're not that big a big after all so anyway rep soda's kinda of them yeah What were those cards. You're looking at their stickers. Actually but the funny one. I was just going through them. They came with something that i ordered online. I was just looking at him while you were talking because it was honestly a board story kathy. Yeah so his board everybody out there in fucking heads homeland. Yeah but at least. I got to find this funny sticker because you have this new coffee company and you have the spirit new coffee which i am loving by the way. It's good but the sticker here says. Fuck your coffee i need. I need to get their sticker dude. I need to get those anything to copy stickers. You can't do that. That's some proprietary property. That is great. Stick fuck your coffee. It's it's i wanna get stickers made that say your pop and then people can buy them or giving people for free getting business cards. I'm pretty exciting. But that fuck yeah makes me a fucking businessman. Yeah it makes me a baller and like there's my business card shock collar. Remember like an american psycho of never saw that. God damn you need to see american psycho. I get into once heard somebody passage from an which in which the psycho axes dude in the head and then their brain kind of loses out making a fart again way better on that with without fucking graphic the really good i believe it. What else do we want to talk about. I don't know here long enough for elliot. Twenty seven minutes of toilet to a half an hour. how about that. Oh yeah let's just arbitrarily stretch at the half an hour talk about a whole bunch of nonsense for what have we been. What do we do this whole podcast to shit. We've been talking about your nonsense and people are still listening. You know maybe they're fucking doing cardio. They got us on their headphones and are doing their fucking cardio. And they're all pissed off at us by now because we've talked about nothing important except for my coffee company. Www dot my dot com dot. Go gipson highly. Recommend views came up with the new show. You know our own true crime series. Yeah that's where the money is in a guessing. Here's here's here's something. Though with the and i meant to get back to this the true crime show right. We still never got to how he did killing. That's that's really important. it's fucking easy. Tony fucking the took people out of their home these fucking or he fucking digital in their home and he fucking strangled or fuck entitlement chair. He's a strong guy. Yeah okay maybe a couple of other little guys helping them all right so he rasim down a chair in fucking severs the head fucking you fucking a thumbnail one scene or whatever because cuts after fucking torture them yeah he pulls out yes and their fingernails yes anti keeps a left thumbnail as gyro fee for each kill yes his name and his name is when they finally catch him. His name is something like Let's see his name is bruce. Their names super monday by his name was gerald gerald com. Jeff gerald in. Everybody be like you know for in the interview people to be the classic for little guy. He seemed alright. Yeah you're hobson seemed like such a novel. Oxen's jeremy hobson third. Did you know that you're hobson's the third made up the third. There is no drops to you. Cheryl anthony thompson. The third third but there is no gerald hops. The first or second. He beat up his whole name before he moved. It's no my county the whole the whole he his name wasn't even jared because real name was john john heir to the heir to the mattel family fortune. Ou a game or gamemaker. Yes there you go. That's how we're gonna end this podcast if you listen to the way through. Thank you very much. You probably didn't pay much attention if he did. Hey man led to have you with until america. The fitness right.

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